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| [00:45:18] | ** iamlindoro wonders if xbox 360 hacking is hard, now that he has the case off ** | |
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| [00:53:27] | webvictim: | iamlindoro: not really. |
| [00:53:46] | webvictim: | connecting the DVD drive to a PC via sata is about all there is to it, if you have the right model. |
| [00:53:56] | webvictim: | getting the case off is the hardest bit, definitely ;P |
| [00:55:14] | iamlindoro: | mostly did it to blow dust out, but since i am here... :) |
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| [01:02:08] | pac1: | When I Hit Watch TV in the frontend, i get a blank screen for a few seconds and then back to the menu. Where can I see a log file to tell what's happening? |
| [01:04:26] | webvictim: | /var/log/mythtv/mythtv-backend.log |
| [01:04:31] | webvictim: | /var/log/mythtv/mythtv-frontend.log |
| [01:04:31] | webvictim: | usually |
| [01:04:42] | webvictim: | or actually |
| [01:04:50] | webvictim: | /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [01:05:00] | pac1: | got it. |
| [01:05:01] | pac1: | thanks |
| [01:06:05] | pac1: | does this message: "GetEntryAt(-1) failed" usually indicate anything in particular? |
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| [01:06:34] | k-man: | hello |
| [01:06:52] | k-man: | wheres that forum that lists peoples hardware for mythtv? |
| [01:07:03] | k-man: | i'm after a motherboard to build a quiet frontend |
| [01:07:06] | k-man: | any suggestions? |
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| [01:25:03] | pac1: | when you set up a card, should the signal strength read other than 0? |
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| [01:25:44] | Dagmar: | One would hope. |
| [01:27:28] | pac1: | oops bad cable. |
| [01:28:15] | pac1: | might explain not getting to watch tv. |
| [01:30:08] | pac1: | how do I tell which qam my cable is using? 64, 128, 256? |
| [01:31:14] | otwin: | pac1: iirc, there are cards that report signal strength somewhat reversed, so it can be 0 is not 0 – but i would check the cable first if you have doubts... |
| [01:33:42] | otwin: | after what really matters is SNR – but for those cards it would be NSR... |
| [01:33:59] | otwin: | *after all* |
| [01:37:46] | Anduin: | pac1: guess and check, or see if someone has done it for you (which qam) qam256 is a good starting place (as is the HDHR page if they have your area) |
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| [01:39:01] | pac1: | hdhr page? |
| [01:39:40] | Anduin: | http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/hdhomerun/channels |
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| [01:50:06] | pac1: | Anduin, Thanks. |
| [01:50:20] | pac1: | I'm still having trouble with Watch TV |
| [01:50:26] | pac1: | TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started |
| [01:53:22] | Dagmar: | So verify your tuner works outside of MythTV. |
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| [02:00:46] | pac1: | got it... had to look at backend log, not frontend. |
| [02:00:55] | pac1: | permissions problem. |
| [02:01:19] | pac1: | Hey, how do I turn on captions? |
| [02:02:55] | pac1: | t |
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| [03:05:01] | the-pred: | Will I be able to install Mythtv if I have never used Linux before? |
| [03:05:27] | wagnerrp: | from scratch, most likely not |
| [03:05:35] | wagnerrp: | look into knoppmyth or mytbuntu |
| [03:06:12] | the-pred: | wagnerrp what are those? |
| [03:06:31] | the-pred: | selfinstallers? |
| [03:06:39] | wagnerrp: | prepackaged systems with installers |
| [03:06:51] | wagnerrp: | based off knoppix and ubuntu, respectively |
| [03:06:59] | clever: | could say its like 'windows media center' with less suck:P |
| [03:07:06] | cecil: | the-pred: KnoppMyth is a complete distro, everything you need |
| [03:07:20] | cecil: | the-pred: join us in #knoppmyth |
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| [03:07:55] | Nostah1: | hey all i have an hp mce remote philips type |
| [03:08:05] | Nostah1: | where can i go to find out if it has learnable buttons |
| [03:08:26] | wagnerrp: | go to the LIRC site to see if it is supported |
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| [03:09:19] | the-pred: | my main objective is to build a HTPC with PVR function, with a Sat tuner card |
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| [03:09:46] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will allow you to do that |
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| [03:10:08] | wagnerrp: | however most of the guides expect you to know your way around the terminal and file system |
| [03:10:52] | Nostah1: | http://cgi.ebay.com/New-HP-Vista-Media-Center . . . photohosting |
| [03:10:52] | the-pred: | so have to learn the basics of Linux first then |
| [03:10:56] | Nostah1: | this is the exact remote i have |
| [03:11:41] | wagnerrp: | well for most functions and cards, those distributions should set up everything |
| [03:12:06] | the-pred: | knoppmyth or mytbuntu <------- those? |
| [03:12:17] | Nostah1: | i use mythbuntu |
| [03:12:18] | Nostah1: | like it |
| [03:12:20] | wagnerrp: | yes, but if anything goes wrong, youll have to get your hands dirty |
| [03:12:44] | the-pred: | not a problem, as long as this channel is here |
| [03:14:21] | wagnerrp: | read through the 'manual' on the wiki |
| [03:14:37] | wagnerrp: | people in here can get irritable if you ask for help and the solution is in there |
| [03:15:02] | the-pred: | Installing and using MythTV |
| [03:15:02] | the-pred: | Robert Kulagowski |
| [03:15:05] | the-pred: | that? |
| [03:15:40] | the-pred: | wagnerrp read that? |
| [03:15:52] | wagnerrp: | from the main page, its the first category |
| [03:16:11] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual:Index |
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| [03:17:45] | the-pred: | wagnerrp off to read for an hour, thanks, I am sure I will be back |
| [03:17:47] | wagnerrp: | actually, thats a good reference too |
| [03:19:52] | the-pred: | what is? |
| [03:20:00] | wagnerrp: | the one you mentioned |
| [03:20:17] | the-pred: | Installing and using MythTV ? |
| [03:20:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [03:20:27] | the-pred: | k |
| [03:20:31] | wagnerrp: | but the wiki tends to be more graphical |
| [03:20:41] | wagnerrp: | so its probably easier to process for a non-linux-user |
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| [06:33:36] | leprechau: | does anyone have a link to auto encoding recorded tv into xvid or h264 or something? |
| [06:49:00] | leprechau: | and not nuvexport |
| [06:49:13] | leprechau: | i have a haupage pvr card that does hardware mpeg2 |
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| [06:49:20] | leprechau: | but a 30minute show is 1.1GB |
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| [06:54:51] | pat__: | set it to auto transcode all recordings |
| [06:55:05] | pat__: | then set the autotranscode to the settings you want |
| [06:56:32] | leprechau: | i thought that used nuvexport? |
| [06:56:51] | pat__: | that's how I do it, and I've never used nuvexport |
| [06:57:04] | leprechau: | have a link? |
| [06:57:32] | pat__: | nah, I just played with the settings until I got it working how I wanted |
| [06:57:47] | Gumby: | hi all, I'm using mythtv to transcode my videos. I have a MBE and a SBE. I have the option set to transcode only local files but my SBE keeps trying to transcode remote files. Anyone know why this might be? |
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| [06:58:08] | leprechau: | pat__, did you do it from mythweb or inside the frontend? |
| [06:58:22] | pat__: | leprechau: inside the frontend |
| [07:03:48] | leprechau: | do you use a pvr-x50 ? |
| [07:04:49] | pat__: | nah, I capture with dvb-t |
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| [07:18:02] | Gumby: | any mythconverg gurus here? my SBE seems to think that about 50 of its recordings are on the MBE when they really arent. transcoding is failing because mythtranscode seems to think they are remote |
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| [07:25:42] | dramman: | anyone have dvb reception of abc/sbs in western sydney |
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| [07:35:21] | Gumby: | anyone know why this is occouring – Transcoding from /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/mythbox/1554_20080608211500.mpg to /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/mythbox/1554_20080608211500.mpg.tmp |
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| [07:38:12] | Gumby: | I assume it has something to do with my storage groups, but they look just fine |
| [07:39:06] | Gumby: | | 2 | Default | DVR | /recordings/ | |
| [07:39:06] | Gumby: | | 5 | Default | mythbox | /recordings/ | |
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| [08:22:54] | mzb_d800: | hi all |
| [08:23:16] | mzb_d800: | I'm attempting to write a small script that looks for a show by title and then records it |
| [08:23:25] | mzb_d800: | (control by sms ... long story) |
| [08:23:59] | mzb_d800: | looking at the record table, do I need to enter *all* the details? |
| [08:24:10] | mzb_d800: | any ideas/suggestions |
| [08:24:35] | mzb_d800: | example of sms might be "record doctor who" |
| [08:24:53] | mzb_d800: | and the theory is that it would then reply with something like: |
| [08:25:32] | mzb_d800: | "The next showing of Doctor Who is at 2008-07–06 19:30 as is already scheduled." |
| [08:25:33] | mzb_d800: | or |
| [08:25:45] | mzb_d800: | "The next showing of Doctor Who is at 2008-07–06 19:30 and will be recorded." |
| [08:26:42] | mzb_d800: | so, what I've got is a small query that looks for Doctor Who in the program table, any timedate after now, sorted by timedate and chanid |
| [08:26:52] | mzb_d800: | (it appears I'm talking to myself;)) |
| [08:27:24] | mzb_d800: | should I grab *all* the details from the program table and just insert a new entry in the record table? |
| [08:27:30] | mzb_d800: | or is there a better way? |
| [08:29:39] | mzb_d800: | Gumby: you need to have the recordings folder mounted on the transcoding machine in the same place as that of the recording host |
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| [08:33:38] | Gumby: | mzb_d800: I have set to not record remote files in mythtv-setup. it shouldnt even be trying to transcode them in the first place |
| [08:34:20] | mzb_d800: | search your database for the filename then |
| [08:34:55] | Gumby: | it says its located on the remote machine. lol. yet the local machine is trying to transcode it |
| [08:35:23] | ** Gumby shrugs. I think its working now. I restarted both the sbe and mve ** | |
| [08:35:25] | Gumby: | mbe |
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| [11:15:11] | ascii__: | hi, i have a problem when recording. mythtv doesn't create the file. everything look fine in log |
| [11:15:12] | ascii__: | http://pastebin.ca/1062944 |
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| [11:17:53] | gbee_: | still some of those cheap DVB-S cards on Ebay if anyone in the UK is interested, mine arrived the other day and work just fine |
| [11:18:38] | gbee_: | better than the £43 Satelco card I bought anyway |
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| [11:46:53] | Dibblah: | All I would need then is a cheap PCI expander and I'd be set ;) |
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| [11:50:48] | ** EvilGuru hates it when the BBC broadcasts 4:3 stuff ** | |
| [11:51:09] | EvilGuru: | As it ends up with large black boxes on all 4 sides |
| [11:53:23] | sid3windr: | gbee_: url? :] |
| [11:53:40] | sid3windr: | or is it only for UK |
| [12:03:41] | webvictim: | nasty isn't it EvilGuru |
| [12:03:47] | webvictim: | they do it all the time on Dave too >< |
| [12:04:18] | EvilGuru: | I have to use the zoom thingy to get it right |
| [12:05:14] | EvilGuru: | Freeview (set-top-boxes) do not seem to be affected, however |
| [12:05:27] | webvictim: | i think they manage to work around it |
| [12:08:47] | Dibblah: | EvilGuru: There is a patch in Trac for that. |
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| [12:09:31] | EvilGuru: | Dibblah: Is it likely to be committed? |
| [12:10:29] | Dibblah: | No idea. http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4872 |
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| [12:37:34] | gbee_: | sid3windr: it's a UK auction, the guy might be prepared to post outside the UK but you'll probably lose whatever savings you make to postage costs etc |
| [12:37:58] | gbee_: | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . 230267308088 |
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| [12:39:10] | gbee_: | EvilGuru: it will get committed, but as far as I know it's not top of anyones list right now – it will definately be in there for 0.22 though |
| [12:40:16] | mirak: | hi |
| [12:40:26] | mirak: | do you know a player that can do inverse telecine ? |
| [12:40:50] | mirak: | dvd in PAL have judder |
| [12:43:23] | gbee_: | internal player can do inverse telecine, or maybe that was never committed ... |
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| [12:45:44] | gbee: | yeah, it's possible with 0.21 you just need to put "ivtc" in the custom filters |
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| [13:11:12] | sid3windr: | gbee: hm, thanks – well, I'll probably need to order them from germany or something, there's not a lot of this stuff in belgium. what's the "usual" retail price in UK for this card? |
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| [13:35:50] | gbee: | 40–55 excluding postage |
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| [13:37:01] | gbee: | upto £70 if you don't buy online, or buy through one of the more expensive retailers |
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| [13:37:59] | gbee: | but I personally would never pay that much, you can get the S2 version for around £65 if you are lucky |
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| [13:43:14] | sid3windr: | so 15 pounds is pretty cheap then, heh |
| [13:43:24] | sid3windr: | it won't cost 40 pounds to ship to belgium ;) |
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| [13:47:21] | gbee: | sid3windr: sure, maybe email the guy and ask :) |
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| [13:54:44] | sid3windr: | thanks for the tip |
| [13:54:58] | sid3windr: | there are 2 different cards pictured, I assume both work fine |
| [13:55:10] | sid3windr: | I'd prefer the left one, though the right one is what's on the dvb wiki as picture for nova-s ;) |
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| [14:20:08] | gbee: | the one on the right is what I received (2x) |
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| [14:24:53] | EvilGuru: | Right one looks nicer :) |
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| [14:25:04] | EvilGuru: | Green > Muddy Puke |
| [14:26:01] | gbee: | guy needs a better camera, both images are horribly out of focus |
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| [14:29:03] | ** EvilGuru is really not sure if to get one or not ** | |
| [14:29:35] | EvilGuru: | I promised myself I would not buy any more TV cards, on account of PCI being on the way out and new standards on the way in |
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| [14:31:14] | flabr: | hi there...just bought a Nova T 500 ... cant get it to work in Suse 11 64 ... the card is installed but does not retrieve any channel...could anyone please gimme a link of a howto install mythtv on suse? |
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| [14:31:27] | EvilGuru: | flabr: Define installed |
| [14:31:42] | EvilGuru: | Does it have a listing in /dev/dvb/...? What does dmesg say |
| [14:31:48] | flabr: | dmesg | grep dvb |
| [14:31:55] | flabr: | lsmod | grep dvb |
| [14:31:59] | EvilGuru: | flabr: dib |
| [14:32:02] | flabr: | /dev/dvb |
| [14:32:24] | flabr: | EvilGuru: lots of dib |
| [14:32:38] | flabr: | but i still cant retrieve any channel ... i am at the moment using kaffeine |
| [14:32:49] | flabr: | but read in many reports that about mythtv and my card |
| [14:33:02] | EvilGuru: | flabr: So is there an adapter* in /dev/dvb |
| [14:33:42] | flabr: | adapter0 .... adapter1 |
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| [14:34:05] | EvilGuru: | Excellent. |
| [14:34:17] | EvilGuru: | Is the coax cable plugged in correctly |
| [14:34:46] | flabr: | yes...just one way to plug i suppose :) ... the issue is that i dont even get dvb-t channels |
| [14:36:00] | EvilGuru: | so when you try to tune it in using the mythtv set-up application what happens |
| [14:37:14] | flabr: | i did not install mythtv yet...just gotta a link of a howto for suse 11...will install it now...but since i cant scan channels using kaffeine...dont think i will be able to using mythtv |
| [14:37:50] | EvilGuru: | This is mythtv :) |
| [14:38:17] | flabr: | i know :) ... will install it now |
| [14:39:48] | EvilGuru: | I mean, I have no way of knowing if the Kaffeine devs were on crack when they wrote in their DVB support |
| [14:39:59] | EvilGuru: | However, I can be sure that the mythtv devs were — hence my trust |
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| [14:58:27] | dapper-daniel: | hej! I want to use my wintv nova-t remote control for mythtv |
| [14:58:56] | dapper-daniel: | i can use the numbers, but some other important keys are missing (like OK, up down vol etc) |
| [14:59:03] | dapper-daniel: | where can I fix that? |
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| [15:02:37] | flabr: | EvilGuru: installed myth...im now in mythsetup |
| [15:02:51] | flabr: | which card type should i use? Mine is Nova T 500 |
| [15:03:52] | EvilGuru: | DVB |
| [15:05:25] | flabr: | right...how to try to scan for channels now? |
| [15:05:45] | EvilGuru: | set up your video source |
| [15:05:50] | EvilGuru: | then use the channel scanner |
| [15:05:57] | iamlindoro_: | flabr: You should be following the mythtv documentation, which explainsw all of these steps very explicitly |
| [15:06:18] | iamlindoro_: | rather than asking in here after each step what to do next |
| [15:06:53] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . tion_Backend |
| [15:06:54] | EvilGuru: | Nothing like a stupid question to bring iamlindoro out of the woodwork |
| [15:07:00] | Nostahl: | heh |
| [15:07:11] | iamlindoro_: | EvilGuru: In fairness I haven't yelled yet ;) |
| [15:07:19] | iamlindoro_: | EvilGuru: Everyone gets one chance |
| [15:08:33] | iamlindoro_: | Also see http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.1 |
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| [15:16:30] | tulbreak: | Anybody got any experience with DVB-S usb sticks (for freesat in the UK)? |
| [15:16:47] | tulbreak: | The linux-tv wiki & mailing list are a bit... random |
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| [16:03:31] | scant: | I'm using this post as guidance: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/334430, but my mythdatabase won't upgrade to the new schema |
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| [17:10:34] | dl: | Could someone using gentoo with trunk mythtv share their useflags for qt-4.3.3? |
| [17:12:23] | dl: | I have the mysql flag set for it, but when I make mythtv it fails when it starts to build the mythdbcon.cpp (error: QSqlDriver: No such file or directory, etc) |
| [17:13:41] | dl: | Here's a pastebin of the build errors http://pastebin.com/m2118626d |
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| [17:30:37] | s1: | hi, I've just installed mythtv and I can watch tv withtout problems |
| [17:30:43] | bsdfox: | dl: I use QT3 to compile it |
| [17:31:06] | dl: | bsdfox: mythtv trunk? |
| [17:31:07] | bsdfox: | I'm running .21-fixes though |
| [17:31:18] | s1: | My problem is that the channels and programs aren't named |
| [17:31:23] | s1: | all I get is unnamed |
| [17:31:28] | wagnerrp: | dl, youre helping develop mythtv? |
| [17:31:30] | bsdfox: | s1: run mythfilldatabase |
| [17:31:36] | s1: | the mythfilldatabase went fine |
| [17:31:46] | bsdfox: | try running it again |
| [17:31:49] | bsdfox: | it crashes a lot |
| [17:31:54] | s1: | it found all my channels |
| [17:32:12] | s1: | well, did a --manual twice :) |
| [17:32:41] | dl: | wagnerrp: nope — I've just been using trunk for a year or so with no real problems, until this qt4 switch. |
| [17:33:02] | bsdfox: | dl: I ended up reverting to .21-fixes because of that switch |
| [17:33:10] | wagnerrp: | if youre not actively developing, stay off trunk until the switch is finished |
| [17:33:15] | s1: | bsdfox: do I need to stop the backend to run fill db? |
| [17:33:18] | wagnerrp: | basically... its not going to work until its done |
| [17:33:21] | bsdfox: | s1: nop |
| [17:33:22] | bsdfox: | e |
| [17:33:46] | dl: | :) ok. |
| [17:33:53] | s1: | ok, running a fill db again |
| [17:34:46] | s1: | bsdfox: if the filldb works, will that show in mythweb? |
| [17:34:53] | bsdfox: | s1: yeah |
| [17:35:03] | s1: | still a no go |
| [17:35:22] | s1: | I have E8 UnknownE8 as channel names and no listings |
| [17:35:33] | s1: | is my setup wrong? |
| [17:37:50] | wagnerrp: | where are you pulling these channels from? |
| [17:37:59] | wagnerrp: | EIT, XMLTV, SchedulesDirect? |
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| [17:40:44] | s1: | XMLTV |
| [17:40:58] | s1: | I ran the script for my country |
| [17:41:38] | s1: | when i reran the filldb-script, I got exisiting channel found etc, with correct ids and names |
| [17:42:10] | s1: | did i bork the configure of the backend ? |
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| [17:45:37] | wagnerrp: | never used xmltv... |
| [17:46:32] | s1: | ok, because it prints the correct name and everything when running mythfilldatabase |
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| [17:47:05] | s1: | and it's like i've not connected the tv and the channels in some way :) |
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| [18:04:39] | mabs: | When I've downloaded a new file on my mediacenter, is it possible to get it into the database without me having to exit the media library and go to setup > video manager, press esc and go back to the media library? Since I normally don't enter any metadata for video I don't really see the point of doing what I do, at the moment. I'm using mythtv+mythvideo 0.21 on a gentoo box. |
| [18:05:28] | GreyFoxx: | configure videolist to browse the file system |
| [18:05:43] | GreyFoxx: | you will still need to leave and reenter the list to reread the files |
| [18:05:47] | GreyFoxx: | but no video manager step |
| [18:08:52] | mabs: | Great, thank you. That is much better :) |
| [18:12:30] | mabs: | How about ripping audio CDs to FLAC? I can't select it under ripper settings. |
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| [18:15:07] | EvilGuru: | mabs: Use RubyRipper |
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| [18:19:06] | mabs: | I'll try that, thanks. |
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| [18:25:06] | Gumby: | Is it usual for nuvexport to take 50+ hours to transcode a hi-def movie to DVD? |
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| [18:56:42] | nuonguy: | when building mythtv from sources, I get an error message from configure about MP3LAME not being installed |
| [18:56:59] | nuonguy: | yet I have the lame.h and libmp3lame installed where they ought to be |
| [18:57:06] | nuonguy: | what is the story here?//////// |
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| [19:08:12] | Ribs: | is it possible to make MythNews stream videos in RSS feeds instead of downloading them? |
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| [19:36:01] | levander: | I'm using Schedules Direct. But, in mythweb in the program listings, when I try to go 4 days out into the future, it says "No Data" for everything. |
| [19:37:07] | jamesd: | levander, all your tv stations are going off the air in 3 days 23 hours and 59 minutes. they forgot to pay the electric bill ;-p |
| [19:37:42] | levander: | My /var/lib/mythtv/recordings partition is almost full. Could that have anything to do with it? |
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| [19:51:38] | WattoDaToydarian: | Hello, I am trying to troubleshoot a problem viewing on of my DTV channels. The problem is I am using a hdhomerun and when I view the channel with the hdhomrun software it plays fine but when I view it through mythtv it has a crazy amount of errors and is not even watchable. I have saved a sample to my HDD and I am wondering if I can manually send it through the mythbackend recorder if possible because it appears as |
| [19:51:38] | WattoDaToydarian: | though mythbackend is causing the corruption. |
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| [19:55:26] | xris: | levander: might, but probably not. have you run mythfilldatabase manually to see what's up? |
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| [20:19:22] | levander: | xris: do i have to have a whole line of options to run mythfilldatabase, or can i just run mythfilldatabase with no options? |
| [20:19:33] | xris: | no options should be fine |
| [20:19:41] | xris: | you just want to look for errors about why it's not grabbing info |
| [20:19:44] | levander: | it's running now |
| [20:19:49] | xris: | did your SD account happen to expire recently |
| [20:19:50] | xris: | ? |
| [20:20:07] | levander: | no, i just opened it, i checked the expiration, 6/2009 |
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| [20:22:00] | xris: | if it doesn't work this time, you might want to pass the option to mythfilldatabase that tells it to grab ALL data, rather than just its usual today+tomorrow+furthest-day |
| [20:25:46] | levander: | xris: Where do I set furthest-day? |
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| [20:25:55] | levander: | That may be the problem |
| [20:26:12] | levander: | With no options, five days in the future, still "NO DATA" |
| [20:27:41] | xris: | levander: you don't. just tell it to get all |
| [20:27:58] | levander: | xris: No, I mean for the default case. Where do I set it. |
| [20:28:22] | xris: | you don't |
| [20:28:26] | xris: | mythtv knows what it is |
| [20:28:43] | xris: | usually 2 weeks out, but it depends on the type of downloader you're using. |
| [20:29:47] | levander: | I just went through the output of mfdb (run w/o options), it says it downloaded data for 2 weeks... |
| [20:30:05] | xris: | doesn't mean it downloaded EVERYTHING for 2 weeks |
| [20:30:12] | xris: | it doesn't unless you explicitly tell it to |
| [20:30:56] | levander: | Okay, I'm trying the '--refresh-all' option now. |
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| [20:34:54] | SlicerDicer: | xris: btw how is that firewire script treating you? |
| [20:35:09] | SlicerDicer: | xris: I been having nonstop troubles with myth so havent been able to test it :/ |
| [20:35:19] | SlicerDicer: | well the box anyway |
| [20:36:16] | levander: | damn, same thing |
| [20:36:23] | levander: | but, i'm done playing for now |
| [20:36:25] | levander: | thanks xris |
| [20:37:12] | xris: | SlicerDicer: works ok for some channels, but firewire's still f'd up |
| [20:37:26] | xris: | levander: might try deleting all channel/program info. |
| [20:37:33] | xris: | or at least all program info: DELETE FROM program; |
| [20:37:39] | xris: | then refresh again |
| [20:37:53] | SlicerDicer: | xris: aye |
| [20:38:37] | xris: | SlicerDicer: removing the daisy chain and dropping to a single cable box seemed to help a bit, but I still have lots of issues with animal planet HD (for blue planet — cool series) |
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| [20:41:51] | SlicerDicer: | aye blueplanet is awesome |
| [20:43:27] | xris: | wish it would record so I could watch more than one episode. |
| [20:43:27] | SlicerDicer: | what kind of chipset you use for firewhire? |
| [20:43:37] | xris: | whatever is default on this intel mobo |
| [20:43:41] | SlicerDicer: | hmm |
| [20:43:42] | xris: | I have OS-version issues, too. |
| [20:43:52] | xris: | need to update to fedora 9, but haven't had time. just got back from 2 weeks in italy |
| [20:43:53] | SlicerDicer: | I have a TI chip that I am using |
| [20:43:57] | xris: | http://forevermore.net/italy/ |
| [20:44:02] | SlicerDicer: | that one is more robust than the others |
| [20:44:16] | SlicerDicer: | nice xris |
| [20:44:49] | SlicerDicer: | good pictars |
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| [20:52:48] | [Wabi]: | hi |
| [20:54:57] | [Wabi]: | the channel scanner only scans channels 2 trough 13 and 66, why could this be? |
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| [21:01:27] | [Wabi]: | oh i had to choose us-cable |
| [21:02:01] | EvilGuru: | -10 points for asking a stupid question, +5 for redeeming yourself somewhat |
| [21:02:24] | [Wabi]: | haha |
| [21:02:31] | [Wabi]: | well im not in the us |
| [21:03:35] | EvilGuru: | -5 points for questioning the validity of the US's claim to the rest of the world |
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| [21:03:48] | [Wabi]: | =( |
| [21:04:08] | ** EvilGuru really should come up with an official scoring system ** | |
| [21:04:46] | gbee: | xris: nice photos, you've got a talent :) |
| [21:05:42] | xris: | gbee: can't take all the credit — half of those (or so) are from my wife. |
| [21:05:55] | xris: | but the slow-shutter venice ones are mine. I've always liked doing that. |
| [21:07:21] | dustybin: | what is the URL for the free open ati driver? |
| [21:07:28] | dustybin: | i cannot find it anywhere |
| [21:07:47] | EvilGuru: | dustybin: There are two |
| [21:07:52] | dustybin: | oh |
| [21:07:57] | EvilGuru: | radeon and radeonhd |
| [21:08:07] | dustybin: | i see |
| [21:08:15] | iamlindoro: | both suck |
| [21:08:34] | EvilGuru: | the regular one less so if you have an old-ish card (9800 or around there) |
| [21:08:49] | iamlindoro: | Sad when something that's being compared against the ATI proprietary driver makes the ATI version look *good* |
| [21:08:54] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: is the non-free ATI driver now better than the free driver? |
| [21:09:03] | gbee: | yes |
| [21:09:11] | iamlindoro: | ^^^ |
| [21:09:17] | dustybin: | interesting |
| [21:09:56] | gbee: | at least for chipsets made in the last 2/3 years, older cards aren't supported – they deliberately left that for the open source drivers |
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| [21:14:00] | gbee: | latest release seems a little buggy, or maybe it's an X/mesa bug – it was working for a couple of days before I went away but broken when I got back |
| [21:14:25] | gbee: | but they are sticking to a monthly release schedule so issues are getting fixed pretty quickly |
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| [21:41:01] | dl: | I reverted to .21-fixes from a pre-qt4 trunk version, and now the database is at a newer schema than myth understands. Is there anyway to revert the db? |
| [21:44:49] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [21:45:40] | iamlindoro: | though if you updated the db from a .21-fixes compatible version any time in the recent past, it should have dumped a backup into your recordings directory |
| [21:45:55] | iamlindoro: | somedate-someotherstuff.sql |
| [21:46:09] | dl: | Nope. Been using svn for about a year :( |
| [21:46:29] | dl: | Is there anyway to not have to start from scratch with a empty database? |
| [21:47:00] | iamlindoro: | again, check your recordings dir, there is still a fair chance you have some dated backups from various previous schema upgrades in there |
| [21:47:04] | iamlindoro: | and ps, svn != trunk |
| [21:47:33] | iamlindoro: | svn == svn, and could be any release or trunk, only trunk == trunk |
| [21:47:36] | dl: | 'k |
| [21:50:15] | dl: | I was using trunk before. Anyway to tell what schema the current backend understands? mythbackend --version doesn't mention it |
| [21:52:13] | iamlindoro: | I believe there is a field called DBSchemaVer in the settings table |
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| [22:00:31] | dustybin: | are there any linux hard copy magazines worth reading? |
| [22:02:41] | EvilGuru: | dustybin: A bit ambiguous |
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| [22:07:06] | dustybin: | http://www.linuxjournal.com/ http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/ http://www.linux-mag.com/ <-- maybe one of these? |
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| [22:07:53] | dl: | Cool — I did have a backup from a few months ago that .21 recognizes. Of course, half the recordings in it no longer exist and nothing newer than the backup appears. Is there a tool to go through and clean things up? |
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| [22:08:10] | rk4n3: | Dagmar: ping |
| [22:09:19] | iamlindoro: | dl: myth.find_orphans.pl |
| [22:10:18] | dl: | Thanks :) |
| [22:10:24] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [22:11:10] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: There's very little in *any* linux print magazine that isn't a rehashing of stuff found in the previous month on slashdot, digg, and various linux community sites. So yeah, if you want to get all the info 30 days after people are talking about it, then print media is a great idea :) |
| [22:11:45] | iamlindoro: | plus, you get to contribute to killing trees and the creation of non-biodegradable inks so what's not to like? |
| [22:11:53] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: what other news sites are there apart from slashdot? |
| [22:12:05] | EvilGuru: | dustybin: digg |
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| [22:12:11] | dustybin: | oh yes digg.. |
| [22:12:46] | iamlindoro: | newsforge, osnews, boingboing, linuxtimes.net, distrowatch, etc. |
| [22:12:50] | rk4n3: | dustybin: phrack, sort of :) |
| [22:12:57] | dustybin: | aye interesting! |
| [22:13:47] | iamlindoro: | I remember picking up some linux mag in an airport that had a howto sort of thing on mythtv .18 about two weeks after .19 was released IIRC |
| [22:14:30] | EvilGuru: | I could write a HOWTO on mythtb |
| [22:14:42] | EvilGuru: | See the Wiki; RTFM; Repeat; |
| [22:14:59] | iamlindoro: | That's funny, that's my troubleshooting philosophy for #mythtv-users ;) |
| [22:15:09] | EvilGuru: | 99.9% of what you need is on the wiki or the docs |
| [22:15:28] | EvilGuru: | There have been a few interesting problems discussed here since I've been a regular, though |
| [22:15:48] | dustybin: | this doesnt look healthy: www.linuxtimes.net |
| [22:15:53] | iamlindoro: | When new media or devices are released they are fun for a few months, ie blu-ray ripping/decryption, HD-PVR, etc. |
| [22:16:18] | iamlindoro: | But when I spend hours writing out wiki articles so that even an idiot could follow them, I damn well expect people to read them :) |
| [22:24:47] | blackest: | hmm linuxtimes -> stupis stuff?? |
| [22:25:03] | blackest: | stupid stuff even |
| [22:29:42] | EvilGuru: | I wonder why TV card manufactures have been slow to adopt PCI-e |
| [22:31:18] | EvilGuru: | Newer motherboards seem to only have one usable slot nowadays |
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| [22:32:07] | ** sid3windr bought a board for his backend based on the fact that it has 6 pci slots :) ** | |
| [22:33:21] | EvilGuru: | If I buy a Nova-S (have sourced a sat dish for free) I'll have used em all |
| [22:36:08] | iamlindoro: | EvilGuru: At least you're smart enough to use a supported card instead of trying to hack the shit out of everything because S2 must be twice as good :) |
| [22:36:24] | EvilGuru: | Precisely |
| [22:36:34] | EvilGuru: | £20 vs £80; Supported vs Unsupported |
| [22:37:15] | EvilGuru: | By the time S2 is worth it my backend will probably be totally different (and so a PCI-e card may be feasible) |
| [22:37:44] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, may be a while but a HVR-4000 sounds like a sweet deal for you guys once everything settles down and works right |
| [22:38:16] | EvilGuru: | I read that it is either DVB-T or DVB-S(2) at any one time |
| [22:40:26] | EvilGuru: | I'll need to check, but I think it is cheaper to by a Nova-T-500 (dual DVB-T2) and a S2 card (can't remember the name) |
| [22:41:06] | Dibblah: | The T 500 is dual DVB-T |
| [22:41:35] | Dibblah: | Since the T2 standard is (only just?) ratified. |
| [22:41:36] | EvilGuru: | Of course, sorry there |
| [22:41:48] | EvilGuru: | I believe so; sounds like a good few years off |
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| [22:42:08] | iamlindoro: | gotta say one thing for the glacial pace of US TV Standards, at least we stick with ours for a bit :) |
| [22:42:27] | iamlindoro: | where bit = 2 or more decades at a time with whatever codec is least convenient/efficient |
| [22:43:18] | EvilGuru: | It does mean that if I want the latest and greatest in 2–3 years I will need a new set of cards |
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| [22:43:57] | sid3windr: | any pointers on how to handle "failed to handle tune complete" when scanning for channels with mythtv-setup ? |
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| [22:44:40] | EvilGuru: | sid3windr: Anything useful on the console |
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| [22:46:28] | sid3windr: | that is the console output ;) |
| [22:46:48] | sid3windr: | the gui just hangs there, can press the cancel button but otherwise nothing will budge |
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| [22:58:50] | ** nuonguy is having trouble building mythtv from source ** | |
| [22:59:05] | nuonguy: | configure claims that I don't have libmp3lame installed... |
| [22:59:24] | wagnerrp: | install lame then? |
| [22:59:26] | nuonguy: | but I do, really |
| [22:59:41] | gbee: | libmp3lame-devel ? |
| [23:00:47] | nuonguy: | I have lamelibs installed... let me get the -devel package |
| [23:01:14] | nuonguy: | I have lame-devel installed |
| [23:02:26] | gbee: | is the directory containing libmp3lame.so in /etc/ld.so.conf ? |
| [23:03:15] | gbee: | pastebin.ca the output of configure |
| [23:03:57] | nuonguy: | http://pastebin.ca/1063339 <- lame files are really installed |
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| [23:05:33] | iamlindoro: | nuonguy: See gbee's first question... locate libmp3lame.so, is that directory in ld.so.conf? |
| [23:05:56] | nuonguy: | iamlindoro: lemme see |
| [23:06:33] | nuonguy: | no |
| [23:06:37] | gbee: | if not, add it and run ldconfig |
| [23:06:42] | gbee: | then configure again (just to be sure) |
| [23:06:57] | nuonguy: | I haven't even maintained /etc/ld.so.conf |
| [23:07:37] | iamlindoro: | In most distros you wouldn't need to. If the file exists but not the entry, then in this case you will need to |
| [23:07:45] | nuonguy: | currently it just says include ld.so.conf.d/*.conf |
| [23:08:24] | gbee: | add /usr/lib64/ one line down |
| [23:09:31] | nuonguy: | that seems to have fixed it |
| [23:09:41] | nuonguy: | I don't really understand what ld.so.conf is for |
| [23:10:40] | gbee: | tells the linker, ld, where to find installed libs |
| [23:10:57] | Dagmar: | It's for speed. |
| [23:11:07] | nuonguy: | and the rpm doesn't do that when I install the rpm? |
| [23:11:11] | iamlindoro: | Now you can go yell at your packager while myth compiles :) |
| [23:11:26] | Dagmar: | It reads through those libs and makes notes about all the various symbols and etc that's in them, and stores them all in ld.so.cache |
| [23:11:39] | nuonguy: | I see |
| [23:12:01] | Dagmar: | So basically, when you run a binary and it calls for libs, the linker doesn't have to do a lot of work to find them. |
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| [23:12:21] | Dagmar: | ...because the filename of those libs is basically just window-dressing |
| [23:12:43] | nuonguy: | yell at the livna maintainers? |
| [23:12:51] | gbee: | nuonguy: /usr/lib64/ _should_ be one of the directories it looks at, but obviously something isn't right with the distro/packages because it wasn't there :) |
| [23:13:30] | Dagmar: | rpm *could* do that, but it's not entirely correct for it *to* do it |
| [23:13:56] | nuonguy: | in which case would it not be correct? |
| [23:14:04] | Dagmar: | ...and it would be terribly time consuming if you installed say, 25 packages at once, and it ran ldconfig after each and every install |
| [23:15:01] | Dagmar: | This is why it's basically up to the system administrator (or interface acting as their proxy) to run ldconfig after any batch of packages have been installed that might involve requiring a change to the linker's cache because of new shared-libraries being installed. |
| [23:15:06] | gbee: | yeah, individual packages shouldn't be doing it, the common library installation locations should be preconfigured in the ld package |
| [23:15:39] | Dagmar: | There's also the small matter that technically, the rpm package can't "know" if it's libraries are being installed in a place the system will be looking for them at the moment. |
| [23:16:36] | nuonguy: | but in the case of lame, the rpm does know where it's installed and since it is not a system lib, odds are low that it's being installed 24 other libs |
| [23:17:13] | Dagmar: | The cache could be pointing to say, a set of 64-bit optimized libs (bad example, I know) and if rpm ran ldconfig, it would effect what amounts to a system-wide change when a package manager is only supposed to perform that one atomic operation, i.e., getting the files installed to the filesystem and optionally "set up" for that filesystem |
| [23:17:48] | Dagmar: | nuonguy: When you install Linux, it installed over a hundred packages. |
| [23:17:56] | gbee: | different distros take a different approach, afaik Mandriva for example runs ldconfig after installing libs although it might be done after all packages are installed rather than after each one, this is certainly convenient |
| [23:18:08] | Dagmar: | You'd basically be doubling or more the time it takes to install them if rpm ran ldconfig after each one |
| [23:18:29] | gbee: | however occassionally libs get installed to weird and non-standard locations so I have to manually add the paths |
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| [23:19:01] | gbee: | Dagmar: never found ldconfig to be that slow, even after adding a new location to the list |
| [23:19:21] | Dagmar: | gbee: compared to putting the files for say, bzip2 or zlib in place? |
| [23:19:29] | Dagmar: | It's a lot more resource intensive |
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| [23:20:13] | gbee: | well I was going to qualify that with a "depends on the system speed, number of libs etc" |
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| [23:20:48] | Kyler: | I upgraded to the Ubuntu (Hardy) package of MythTV recently and things have been going well except that the volume control on the frontend doesn't seem to affect the mixer at all. |
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| [23:21:25] | nuonguy: | compile time error: http://pastebin.ca/1063350 |
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| [23:21:46] | Dagmar: | gbee: See, there's another "unknown" thing from the standpoint of the rpm |
| [23:22:08] | Dagmar: | I've had to do a *lot* of worrying about what can and can't safely be assumed during package installation. |
| [23:22:23] | nuonguy: | probably I need something like mysql-devel? |
| [23:22:32] | gbee: | nuonguy: trunk requires QT 4.3+ |
| [23:23:00] | Dagmar: | nuonguy: I'd say more like Qt needs to have had sql support built in, or like gbee is hinting, you've got the wrong version for trunk |
| [23:23:16] | Dagmar: | You need 0.21-fixes to use Qt-3.x |
| [23:24:00] | gbee: | he has, that's a trunk source (libmythdb) but "qt-3.3" |
| [23:24:02] | nuonguy: | qt4-devel-4.3.5–1.fc8 |
| [23:24:09] | nuonguy: | is already installed |
| [23:24:11] | Dagmar: | Ah. Definitely wrong qt then yep |
| [23:24:40] | Dagmar: | nuonguy: You're probably going to want to at least temporarily remove Qt3, but... I'm thinking you just need to set the QTDIR variables properly. |
| [23:24:48] | gbee: | nuonguy: run "make distclean", then "./configure --qmake=/path/to/qt4/qmake" |
| [23:25:44] | gbee: | QTDIR isn't used by QT4 |
| [23:25:48] | Dagmar: | Bummer |
| [23:26:14] | gbee: | which is why the --qmake arg was added |
| [23:26:35] | nuonguy: | when I ran configure it figured out the qmake setting |
| [23:27:01] | Dagmar: | It may have picked up on the 3.3 version of qmake |
| [23:27:10] | Dagmar: | If you don't have anything usign Qt3, I'd just yank it |
| [23:27:40] | nuonguy: | http://pastebin.ca/1063354 |
| [23:27:53] | gbee: | nuonguy: was this an old checkout that you are updating? easiest if you just follow what I said above about the "make distclean" which will clear out any Makefiles which are still pointing to qt3 |
| [23:27:58] | nuonguy: | is it safe to yank qt3 from Fedora 8? |
| [23:28:12] | Dagmar: | Are you using it for anything other than MythTV? |
| [23:28:24] | Dagmar: | It's the include paths you're going to have to change |
| [23:28:24] | nuonguy: | I checked it out a coupla days ago than ran svn up a few minutes ago |
| [23:28:28] | nuonguy: | yes |
| [23:29:59] | nuonguy: | you mean I have to use --extra-cflags? |
| [23:30:07] | Dagmar: | That would be the wrong thing to do. |
| [23:30:17] | Dagmar: | It would be a "last resort" method only |
| [23:30:37] | rooaus: | gbee, nonguy: I believe make distclean leaves behind 1 or 2 makefiles that can bork the build. |
| [23:30:44] | Dagmar: | Unless you're sitting in KDE linked against Qt3, you *can* just remove the qt3 package, build the thing, and then reinstall it |
| [23:30:56] | Dagmar: | rooaus: it does at least leave Makefile.perl around last time I heard |
| [23:31:32] | gbee: | find -name Makefile -delete |
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| [23:34:09] | nuonguy: | let's see, I uninstall qt3 |
| [23:34:44] | nuonguy: | make distclean, remove all makefiles, configure, qmake, make... |
| [23:35:08] | gbee: | don't need to run qmake, configure does that for you |
| [23:35:48] | nuonguy: | k |
| [23:36:19] | nuonguy: | it aborts even earlier complaining about qsqlquery missing from QSqlDriver |
| [23:37:02] | nuonguy: | there must be a qt4-mysql |
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| [23:37:15] | Kyler: | It looks like my frontend is using ALSA now but the mixer is "/dev/mixer" (OSS). Should I specify an ALSA device? |
| [23:40:04] | gbee: | Kyler: yes, cycle through the options, you probably want ALSA:default |
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| [23:41:00] | Kyler: | gbee: Ah! Much better. Thanks! |
| [23:43:58] | nuonguy: | shouldn't configure be able to tell whether qt4-mysql is available? |
| [23:44:26] | iamlindoro: | Shouldn't anyone using trunk be capable of installing dependencies? :) |
| [23:45:06] | ** nuonguy is ashamed, but still wonders whether configure couldn't be helpful ** | |
| [23:45:29] | gbee: | nuonguy: submit the patch and it will be gratefully received |
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| [23:46:11] | gbee: | most of what mythtv could/should do, but doesn't, is just down to a lack of time and contributors |
| [23:46:17] | nuonguy: | I see |
| [23:47:38] | nuonguy: | should this be set in aclocal or something? |
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| [23:49:20] | nuonguy: | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm <- is Xxf86vm in an xorg package? |
| [23:50:18] | Dagmar: | Yes. |
| [23:50:45] | iamlindoro: | Wow, it's neat to discuss every googlable missing dependency |
| [23:50:55] | iamlindoro: | But I guess without this we'd be talking about nothing at all |
| [23:51:06] | Dagmar: | Pretty much |
| [23:51:26] | Dagmar: | He's been around enough I figure he'll probably be able to answer these questions for other people later. |
| [23:51:35] | nuonguy: | I try to do that |
| [23:51:50] | iamlindoro: | nuonguy, what distro are you on? |
| [23:51:58] | nuonguy: | Fedora 8 x86_64 |
| [23:52:50] | iamlindoro: | probably something close to being called libXxf86vm-dev |
| [23:53:11] | iamlindoro: | but for serious, there's an article *on the wiki* that discusses fedora deps, minus the qt4 stuff... and this isn't qt4 stuff. |
| [23:53:35] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Fedora_8 . . . Dependencies |
| [23:53:56] | nuonguy: | are you talking about http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . _Fedora_Core ? |
| [23:54:02] | nuonguy: | um, guess not |
| [23:54:24] | iamlindoro: | and fuck me, that script even seems to get the qt4 stuff |
| [23:54:35] | iamlindoro: | so now there's *really* no excuse |
| [23:54:41] | gbee: | I'd assume that the Fedora documentation for MythTV is kept pretty current by Jarod et al |
| [23:55:08] | gbee: | ok, time for bed |
| [23:55:20] | nuonguy: | I am *not* running that script |
| [23:55:28] | nuonguy: | I use atrpms as a last resort |
| [23:55:43] | iamlindoro: | you're right, why have all the deps installed by a script when we can agonizingly answer each one for you? |
| [23:55:50] | nuonguy: | I really like what he does, but I hate the conflicts and the surprises if I don't audit every single package I get from there |
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