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Thursday, July 3rd, 2008, 00:09 UTC
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[00:39:32] dude: hmm, intersting
[00:39:39] dude: mplayer plays fine via xv
[00:39:48] dude: for some reason myth is still doing the blue screen of fun
[00:40:02] dude: if I use mythtv to just go to livetv
[00:40:06] dude: it's all blue
[00:40:32] GreyFoxx: Sounds like Intel or ATI gpu
[00:40:42] GreyFoxx: and you are running into a colourspace bug in their drivers
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[00:40:54] dude: oh, you weren't here before, it's the PVR-350 x-driver
[00:41:15] GreyFoxx: I think we default to YV12 if the driver says its available
[00:41:35] GreyFoxx: and we've encountered several drivers that say they support it but in fact don't :)
[00:41:42] GreyFoxx: no idea about the 350 driver :)
[00:42:23] dude: yes, well... it's just the hauugenpauge PVR-350 X driver, it's been around for ages.. this worked fine with 0.20.1 fixes
[00:42:42] GreyFoxx: 350 support is on the way out, noone actively maintains it :)
[00:42:56] dude: this isn't about 350 fb support
[00:43:03] dude: this is the 350 X driver
[00:43:09] dude: which is essentially invisible to myth
[00:43:15] dude: and requires no special code
[00:43:24] GreyFoxx: We changed our default colour space between 0.20.1 and 0.21
[00:43:33] dude: interesting
[00:43:38] GreyFoxx: and if the driver says it supports yv12 we will try to use that
[00:43:42] dude: but, others are using this setup, so i know it does work
[00:43:46] GreyFoxx: but if you run ,mythfrontend with -v playback you will see it
[00:43:50] dude: and I don't see anyone complaining en mass about this
[00:44:41] GreyFoxx: Not many are using it these days so I'm not suprised
[00:44:53] GreyFoxx: But just for shits n giggles check the -v playback output
[00:44:57] GreyFoxx: see what colour space it uses
[00:45:03] GreyFoxx: then check mplayers output and see what it's using
[00:45:16] dude: tons of people are using the pvr-350 these days, as an X only output.. I agree that no one is nutty enough to use it natively
[00:45:22] dude: mplayer works fine via XV
[00:45:26] dude: sec on -v
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[00:46:37] dude: hmm, doesn't say what mode it is using, before the errors occur
[00:46:49] dude: http://pastebin.com/m1ed87262
[00:47:04] dude: essentially, all myth windows are black with a blue border around them
[00:47:43] GreyFoxx: Oh wait
[00:47:57] GreyFoxx: So you mean the menu windows, and not the playback ?
[00:48:18] dude: the playblack is all blue, the menu windows are all black, empty squares
[00:48:35] clever: could be messed up themes
[00:48:40] GreyFoxx: Certainly all of those X errors are a problem,can't say just what they are though
[00:49:08] dude: they are my bane, is what they are ;)
[00:49:22] dude: behold, I have defined the mysterious!!
[00:49:26] GreyFoxx: heh
[00:51:25] clever: i also have mysterious problems!
[00:51:37] clever: mythtranscode at 242% done
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[01:00:16] clever: GreyFoxx: http://pastebin.ca/1059790
[01:00:31] clever: its repeating the same thing over and over
[01:00:43] clever: ive seen it make 2gig files from transcoding a 1gig file
[01:00:51] clever: ive allways had to kill it to stop it
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[01:13:42] dude: damn, lame assed problems. there's nothing else to use other than a PVR-350 anyhow, unless you move to HDTV or some such
[01:13:50] dude: which I refuse to do, since I can't record hdtv with myth anyhow
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[01:29:36] squish102: for those in the US and looking for a cheap HD tuner card
[01:29:42] squish102: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?It . . . C-C8Junction
[01:29:53] squish102: KWORLD ATSC 115 ATSC/QAM/NTSC TV Tuner w/Remote PCI Interface
[01:30:09] squish102: from newegg for $35 with free shipping
[01:30:36] squish102: reports are that it works well with mythtv
[01:31:06] JohnMahowald: Intriguing.
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[01:31:53] dude: sucks that I have no OTA HD, and my cable company only provides HD via a tuner box
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[01:32:25] JohnMahowald: I do have OTA HD, but I dunno if I'll move to somewhere with cable
[01:32:47] JohnMahowald: Might keep the ol' Hauppage 150 around
[01:33:01] dude: <squish102> for those in the US and looking for a cheap HD tuner card
[01:33:01] dude: <squish102> http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?It . . . C-C8Junction
[01:33:01] dude: <squish102> KWORLD ATSC 115 ATSC/QAM/NTSC TV Tuner w/Remote PCI Interface
[01:33:01] dude: <squish102> from newegg for $35 with free shipping
[01:33:01] dude: <squish102> reports are that it works well with mythtv
[01:35:25] dude: hmm, wups
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[01:36:19] squish102: i have no more pci slots for tv tuner cards :(
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[01:38:33] setite: why, after a reboot, am i unable to watch tv... when i click watch tv screen goes black a second and im kicked back to main menu
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[01:46:08] squish102: setite, what does the mythfrontend log say?
[01:46:15] jamesd__: dude, they require a bit of hacking... but do work.. i have 2 of them in my mythbox
[01:50:50] dude: jamesd__ : to PVR 350s?
[01:50:53] dude: two
[01:50:55] dude: why two?
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[01:51:19] jamesd__: no two kworld 115 ... one to watch and one to record.. i have a family...
[01:51:34] dude: jamesd__ you poor bastard :D
[01:51:54] jamesd__: yeah.. i paid $70 each for mine..
[01:52:01] dude: jamesd__ : seriously though, interesting to know
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[01:53:33] squish102: i have a pvr150 and ati HD tuner, wish i could fit a kworld or 2 in there too
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[02:14:03] ** J-e-f-f-A has a PVR-500, HD-3000, HD-5500 and HVR-1250 ... **
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[02:24:03] setite: how do i get teh log for front end
[02:24:19] iamlindoro: run it in the console or with the -l logfilename option
[02:26:41] setite: hmmm
[02:27:37] setite: i see TV: Attempting to change from None to WatchingLiveTV
[02:27:59] setite: then GetEntryAt(-1) failes
[02:28:04] setite: then failes to get pg info
[02:28:18] setite: LiveTV not successfully started
[02:28:39] iamlindoro: you don't want the frontend log, you want the backend log
[02:28:55] iamlindoro: since backend does the recording, frontend just plays it
[02:29:51] setite: haha ok.. how do i get the backend log :)
[02:30:08] setite: from reading about the error they say it can be a permission error with the record folder
[02:30:22] setite: so i just need to remember how to chmod
[02:30:30] setite: 777 is the unsafest right?
[02:31:31] iamlindoro: it is the most open permissions
[02:31:55] iamlindoro: I assume you found and read something in the backend log that you are talking about, that frontend log is a generic error
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[03:00:43] setite: ok after looking at the wrong solution it was permissiong
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[03:11:23] aarcane: hi
[03:11:54] aarcane: can mythtv record tv from an external tuner which connects to the PC running mythbackend using DVI/Firewire ?
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[03:17:54] aarcane: sorry, DV/Firewire
[03:18:36] jpabq2: not DV, but it can handle MPEG2 via firewire — from a cable stb.
[03:19:11] aarcane: jpabq, I have comcast, and their HD DVR which has firewire. is it MPEG2 or DV, do you know ?
[03:19:20] jpabq2: It will be MPEG2
[03:19:34] aarcane: do you have comcast as well ?
[03:19:38] jpabq2: Now you just have to hope that comcast where you live does not have it copy-protected.
[03:19:57] J-e-f-f-A: aarcane: It will only work if it's enabled, and it's not encrypted...
[03:20:02] jpabq2: Comcast here turned on 5C copy protection over a year ago, making firewire capture impossible.
[03:20:31] jpabq2: Comcast has not turned on 5C everywhere, so you might be lucky.
[03:20:32] aarcane: jpabq2, there's no way to defeat that?
[03:20:58] clever: might be illegal ones
[03:20:59] jpabq2: You could get a HD-PVR and record via it's component outputs, instead of via firewire.
[03:21:04] clever: which we cant speak of
[03:21:18] clever: or record one of its many other outputs(analog,hd)
[03:21:22] aarcane: jpabq2, I'm hoping to be able to use my HD DVR box as a tuner so I can record movies and shows from premium channels.
[03:21:51] aarcane: I don't know of any cable-card friendly Tuners, nor do I know if comcast supports cable cards currently..
[03:21:52] jpabq2: The HD-PVR is actually a device made by Hauppauge to record HD via component connections.
[03:22:12] aarcane: jpabq2, I've seen that device, I'm not sure if I can afford it right now.
[03:22:26] jpabq2: Try firewire then.
[03:22:54] aarcane: jpabq2, can you suggest *shudders* a windows application I can use to test it? or a Linux application I can use to test it instead?
[03:23:18] jpabq2: I believe there is information on the myth wiki....
[03:23:18] aarcane: (I run windows on my laptop, which is easiest to use to test, but Linux on my media server and other systems which are less accessible)
[03:23:35] aarcane: jpabq2, alright, thank you. I've had little luck googling for it :(
[03:24:09] jpabq2: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire
[03:26:28] JohnMahowald: How do I get mythweb to show listings for a different video source?
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[03:45:59] xris: JohnMahowald: it shows all of them
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[04:01:35] Joemama_: http://cgi.ebay.com/BRAND-NEW-HP-InterVideo-R . . . cmdZViewItem
[04:01:41] Joemama_: think that remote would work with mythtv ?
[04:03:19] J-e-f-f-A: Joemama_: I have a few of those. They will work, you'll have to learn the keys. One caveot is that the 4-way pad is actually a variable -pressure pad, designed to work as a mouse... Not very 4-way friendly.
[04:03:40] Joemama_: no shit
[04:04:03] Joemama_: something like this be better]
[04:04:04] Joemama_: http://cgi.ebay.com/DELL-Windows-MEDIA-CENTER . . . photohosting
[04:04:04] Joemama_: ?
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[04:04:14] J-e-f-f-A: Joemama_: Best remote for myth IMHO is the M$ MCE remote..
[04:04:18] Varak_: for myth frontends, any downside on using an xbox?
[04:04:27] Joemama_: jeffa they are also alot of money
[04:04:34] Varak_: and any benefit for using a 360
[04:04:36] J-e-f-f-A: Joemama_: That's much better... that is an MCE remote.
[04:05:00] J-e-f-f-A: Varak_: An 'old' xbox will only do Standard-Definition, and is a bit slow as it's only got 64MB ram.
[04:05:22] Varak_: aah ok so i should get a 360
[04:05:28] Varak_: or are other consoles better?
[04:05:38] iamlindoro: Varak_: a 360 won't be a frontend at all, just a uPnP client
[04:05:53] J-e-f-f-A: Varak_: I'm not sure you'd be able to use the 360 for much more than a remote media player (ie uPnP ) ^^^ yeah.
[04:06:09] Varak_: i want to watch the shows the backend records
[04:06:12] Varak_: is that what you mean?
[04:06:36] Varak_: i dont wanna use it as a backend
[04:06:37] iamlindoro: If you record in MPEG-2, that won't play in the 360
[04:06:45] Varak_: oh
[04:07:05] Varak_: so... what console do i want?
[04:07:12] iamlindoro: you don't
[04:07:13] Joemama_: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-ATI-Remote-Wonder-Rem . . . cmdZViewItem
[04:07:24] Joemama_: would that be better? and u can use it if you dont have ati card right?
[04:07:49] iamlindoro: Joemama_: the MCE you just pasted would be better than that, but that would technically work
[04:08:03] Joemama_: k
[04:08:13] J-e-f-f-A: Joemama_: Hey, that 'Dell' one you pasted is a Microsoft MCE remote – just 18 – you should buy it... It will work great with Myth...
[04:09:15] ** J-e-f-f-A paid $40 each for his MCE remotes a couple of years ago... **
[04:09:31] Joemama_: i see
[04:12:45] Joemama_: well
[04:12:51] Joemama_: i already bid upto $3 for this one
[04:12:56] Joemama_: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . 260258221718
[04:13:04] Joemama_: if someone out bids me ill just get the $18 one
[04:13:50] iamlindoro: That is also an MCE remote
[04:14:02] Joemama_: yeah looks similar to the dell one
[04:14:13] iamlindoro: same difference
[04:14:15] Joemama_: maybe ill increase my bid on this one
[04:14:21] Joemama_: if i get bid out
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[04:16:21] J-e-f-f-A: Joemama_: Seriously, $18 with free shipping is a great price for an MCE remote with the receiver...
[04:16:57] Joemama_: that one i had already bid on is mce with the reciever too i think
[04:17:11] Joemama_: but will prolly get out bid
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[04:17:11] Joemama_: if i do ill prolly buy the $18 one
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[04:17:34] Joemama_: not in a huge hurry
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[04:17:34] Joemama_: would like to have it though
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[04:32:05] bizthepirate: Alrite so this is an odd question... my current setup (tv-wise) is that I have a satelite receiever, and it sends a digital signal through coaxial through my house. on my tvs throughout my house, i only pick up the satelite signal on channel 4... my question is, how can i set up mythtv to only get the channel 4, via dvb.. i'm not sure how to explain it..
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[05:18:12] setite: simple question.. i couldnt find a user guide
[05:18:19] setite: in the epg.. how do i tune a channel from there
[05:18:35] setite: when i select channel with remote it just brings up recording options
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[05:31:23] cesman: setite: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual:Index
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[09:18:15] Gumby: hi all, is there a way to set all of my previously recorded shows to transcode using mythtranscode?
[09:18:28] Gumby: besides going one by one.
[09:18:58] justinh: make a playlist
[09:19:12] justinh: then go playlist options -> job options
[09:19:58] Gumby: brilliant. thanks justinh
[09:21:48] justinh: NP :)
[09:23:15] ** Gumby has about 250G of recordings to shrink :) **
[09:23:37] Gumby: g/GB
[09:35:17] justinh: s/shrink/delete in my case :) feck all worth keeping
[09:37:59] directhex: good lord, that was a clever & helpful answer! you feeling okay justinh?
[09:39:16] justinh: met my quota for the month
[09:39:48] justinh: and besides, that wasnt a fucking stupid question like they usually are :)
[09:40:39] webvicti1: i should probably look at setting up auto-archiving or something.
[09:40:49] webvicti1 is now known as webvictim
[09:42:45] justinh: autoexpiry ftw :)
[09:43:04] justinh: if you didn't get round to watching it, it probably isn't worth watching anyway
[09:45:02] webvictim: actually yeah, i guess auto-expire is a reasonable idea.
[09:45:22] webvictim: i have a spare 300gb hard drive to add to my LVM volume group at the weekend though
[09:45:39] webvictim: which should enable me to store even more rubbish for longer! \o/
[09:45:49] justinh: LVM? storage groups, man
[09:46:45] webvictim: i didn't really understand the storage groups thing when i was setting myth up
[09:46:53] webvictim: i also wanted to play a bit with LVM :P
[09:47:09] webvictim: although i have a feeling that it might come back and bite me if i ever have a drive failure
[09:47:19] justinh: I wanted to dance with the devil in the pale moon light but hey
[09:48:07] directhex: well, try going to georgia & playing the fiddle
[09:48:12] directhex: it might draw him out
[09:48:43] justinh: hmm no reply from trading standards yet on either of my complaints
[09:48:55] Gumby: I record satellite so I want to encode all the movies
[09:49:04] Gumby: plus about 50 episodes of robot chicken
[09:49:05] Gumby: lol
[09:49:23] justinh: there are even less movies worhty of my time than tv shows IMHO
[09:49:30] Gumby: lol
[09:49:42] Gumby: I have 6 roomates, I throw them on the fileserver for them :)
[09:49:53] justinh: let them eat cake, eh?
[09:50:00] Gumby: it'd be easier if they all just used linux, but like there is any chance of that
[09:50:08] webvictim: heh
[09:50:26] webvictim: i've got samba set up on my storage mount
[09:50:34] Gumby: webvictim: I used to run LVM and reiserfs DEADLY combination
[09:50:40] Gumby: and not in a good way
[09:50:41] Gumby: lol
[09:50:42] webvictim: heh
[09:50:45] webvictim: i've got LVM and JFS
[09:50:59] justinh: I'm still reeling from that monkey representing Sky at my door last night. no telly after switchover without a dish, indeed!
[09:51:09] webvictim: that's amusing.
[09:51:09] Gumby: even though it was journaled, one power outtage and the journal blew up
[09:51:32] Gumby: justinh: huh?
[09:52:03] justinh: Gumby: sales monkeys came around telling plenty of lies
[09:52:25] Gumby: no?!!!! A salesperson telling lies? cant be true
[09:52:25] webvictim: it's not even a plausible lie
[09:52:31] justinh: I've shopped em to the local trading standards, complete with pics from my cctv
[09:52:48] webvictim: it's not like the government haven't been advertising freeview properl
[09:52:49] webvictim: *properly
[09:52:56] justinh: webvictim: not even half of people in the UK are clued up about the DSO yet
[09:53:02] webvictim: the BBC have had countless campaigns on it
[09:53:07] ** webvictim sighs **
[09:53:20] webvictim: thing is, the majority of those are probably already sky customers who couldn't care less ;)
[09:53:29] justinh: and according to digital spy, Sky's sales droids pulled the wool over plenty people's eyes in Whitehaven where the 1st switchover was
[09:53:46] webvictim: bastard murdoch :/
[09:54:04] justinh: if it hasn't happened right in front of me last night I'd have struggled to believe they'd try it
[09:54:11] Gumby: whats this going on with UK telly?
[09:54:12] webvictim: what did you say to the guy?
[09:54:43] webvictim: Gumby: analogue broadcast transmissions are being phased out, and switched over to broadcast DVB-T
[09:55:16] Gumby: webvictim: ah.
[09:55:20] webvictim: any new TV you buy now comes with a DVB-T tuner, but a lot of people are still on old analogue transmissions
[09:55:25] webvictim: so need set-top boxes etc
[09:55:25] justinh: don't forget dvb-s!
[09:55:38] ** Gumby uses dvb-s in Canada **
[09:55:40] webvictim: but you need a dish for that surely, justinh ;)
[09:55:45] webvictim: unless i'm completely mistaken
[09:55:47] justinh: hahaha
[09:55:57] justinh: they told lies about Sly's ADSL too
[09:56:04] justinh: 8mb. I mean.. seriously
[09:56:40] webvictim: don't they do faster that in properly unbundled areas?
[10:00:16] justinh: no idea
[10:00:29] justinh: don't care. adsl is all lame
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[10:00:58] justinh: and anybody who whines about cable downloads being capped is just a c*** with too much storage space :)
[10:02:57] justinh: anyway, I know what's going on with the DSO & all that but plenty of people, esp old biddies don't
[10:03:26] justinh: poor buggers might be scared into getting the dish that they really can't afford. EVIL, EVIL fucker murdoch
[10:03:27] Gumby: d'oh. I think I just did something bad
[10:03:51] Gumby: I wanted to delete one item from a playlist so I hit menu->delete
[10:03:59] justinh: oops
[10:03:59] Gumby: I think it started to delete everything.
[10:04:19] ** Gumby bangs his head **
[10:04:21] justinh: oh well, think of all the disk space you've saved! :D
[10:04:24] Gumby: lol
[10:04:30] Gumby: I shut down the server immediately
[10:04:31] Gumby: lol
[10:04:36] Gumby: files are still there
[10:05:01] justinh: unless you enabled the 'only pretend to delete files, set them to autoexpire instead' feature
[10:05:13] Gumby: I enabled nothing. lol
[10:05:30] Gumby: its not the end of the world. but damn. about 50 movies lost there
[10:05:38] Gumby: "potentially"
[10:05:48] Gumby: I dont care about the other stuff really
[10:05:56] ** Gumby thinks his plan of attack **
[10:06:58] Gumby: for starters.... boot server in safe or interactive mode I think will stop myth from starting or the partition from being mounted..
[10:07:14] justinh: yup
[10:07:50] justinh: that's the only snag with using playlists
[10:08:06] justinh: there's no 'you are about to delete 150 files, are you sure?' confirmation
[10:08:55] justinh: which is slightly annoying, cos if you want to delete a single recording it asks
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[10:14:48] Gumby: ok, rebooted into recovery, renamed the mount, backed up mythconverg db
[10:15:10] Gumby: I'll have to have a look at the db to see if its totally whiped it all.
[10:15:25] Gumby: man, I shouldnt be doing this crap at 3am
[10:16:10] sid3windr: it's 12pm :p
[10:16:42] justinh: wheee lodged an unauthorised payment complaint with my bank. gonna teach those fuckers on that website
[10:17:52] justinh: put the item in your basket, go to pay & by the time you've finished signing up & entering all the bollocks they make you put in, it's out of stock but they take the money anyway – then tell you 4 days later they're going to issue a refund but it'll take up to 36 working days. yeah yeah
[10:18:09] sid3windr: heh
[10:18:15] justinh: well, this monkey isn't rolling over & taking it
[10:18:24] justinh: that's THEFT
[10:18:58] sid3windr: but but but
[10:19:01] sid3windr: you're getting it back!!
[10:19:04] sid3windr: some day!
[10:19:11] justinh: 36 working days? UP TO?
[10:19:21] Gumby: wtf
[10:19:35] justinh: 36 working days... hmm 5 working days per week, assuming no bank holidays... that's 7 & a bit weeks!
[10:20:22] justinh: good scam they've got there.. sitting on money
[10:21:21] justinh: I wouldn't care but the money didn't leave my account on the day of the bungle. oh no, it was 4 days later and the timestamp on the bank transaction was LATER than the email from the supplier telling me about the refund
[10:21:47] justinh: well, bargaincrazy.com you messed with the wrong fucker
[10:27:04] Gumby: damn, I think the files are all gone :(
[10:27:35] Gumby: hrm, maybe not
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[10:31:44] Gumby: I think all but what was recording in the past few weeks is still there
[10:31:46] Gumby: wooohooo
[10:33:03] webvictim: justinh: cable is annoying, though.
[10:33:08] webvictim: there are decent ADSL providers.
[10:34:36] justinh: what's annoying about always on internet?
[10:34:46] justinh: as opposed to copper-wire shitty adsl?
[10:35:30] justinh: don't know anyone with adsl in my area with a reliable connection
[10:37:17] webvictim: i know plenty of people in mine who do.
[10:37:32] webvictim: you can do nailed-up connections with ADSL, that are pretty much always on
[10:37:39] webvictim: if you have a router, that's just the effect it has, anyway.
[10:49:22] dude: you're a router, webvictim, YOU"RE A ROUTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:49:22] dude: you're a router, webvictim, YOU"RE A ROUTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:49:22] dude: you're a router, webvictim, YOU"RE A ROUTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:51:46] webvictim: what?
[10:52:12] directhex: YOU AND I MUST FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS!
[10:52:18] directhex: YOU AND I MUST FIGHT TO SURVIVE!
[10:53:04] dude: webvictim : don't sit there looking all webby and victimy, I TOLD YOU YOU"RE A ROUTER!!!!!
[10:53:31] directhex: NO ONE'S GOING TO TAKE ME ALIVE!
[10:53:49] dude: !!!!!!!!
[10:54:06] directhex: THE TIME HAS COME TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT!
[10:54:52] ** dude looks at directhex and his mighty army of miniature space needle replicas... and laughs **
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[11:29:29] Solaris444: hi guys!
[11:29:42] Solaris444: I'm going to be building a mythtv box and am looking for advice.
[11:30:03] Solaris444: does anyone have any suggestions for hardware specs?
[11:30:52] EvilGuru: Solaris444: The wiki knows all
[11:31:40] Solaris444: I looked at it and found it a bit difficult to navigate/comprehend.
[11:32:00] Solaris444: I was sort of hoping someone had some practical experience putting together their own box.
[11:32:29] EvilGuru: Solaris444: In which case; buy and read this: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596527341/
[11:32:35] EvilGuru: Then go back to the wiki
[11:33:03] Solaris444: information architecture?
[11:33:30] directhex: maybe it was meant to be a link to "how to ask good questions" or somesuch
[11:34:04] EvilGuru: Solaris444: How information should be laid out on the web
[11:34:34] EvilGuru: Once you have read it, you will see that the wiki conforms to it quite well, and with your new knowledge of IA will be able to use it more effectively
[11:35:53] Solaris444: I've been doing my best to work my way through the wiki.
[11:36:06] Solaris444: But for example, there is a large list of "supported" dvb cards.
[11:36:22] Solaris444: However I know from practice that "supported" and "works well" are two very different things.
[11:36:39] directhex: Solaris444, how about saying your requirements? i mean, suggested hardware specs i could suggest dual quad-core xeons. it might be appropriate for some people
[11:37:13] Solaris444: OK, I have a customer who wants to watch tv and record at the same time.
[11:37:30] Solaris444: He wants to rip and save his extensive dvd collection (more than 1000 dvds, all original)
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[11:37:53] Solaris444: He'll be connecting to australian hi-def tv.
[11:37:59] Solaris444: dvb-t obviously.
[11:38:16] Solaris444: the unit itself should preferably be very quiet.
[11:38:47] directhex: mpeg2 or h264?
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[11:39:27] EvilGuru: Solaris444: You will probably want 3–4 1TB hard disks then
[11:39:28] Solaris444: do you mean does australian tv stream mpeg 2 or h264 or do you mean does he want to rip his dvds to mpeg2 or h264?
[11:39:56] Solaris444: my thoughts as well EvilGuru. Probably a hardware RAID too.
[11:40:11] EvilGuru: True hardware RAID is far too expensive
[11:40:29] directhex: Solaris444, i mean does australian HD provide MPEG2 or H264
[11:40:30] Solaris444: $590 for a 3ware 9650se with 4 ports and 256MB of DDR2 RAM
[11:40:39] Solaris444: i believe it is mpeg2 directhex
[11:40:41] EvilGuru: Sounds about right
[11:40:49] EvilGuru: But software RAID is fine
[11:41:31] Solaris444: EvilGuru: You're probably right. Though I do like the fact that the 3ware will email me if something goes wrong with one of the disks.
[11:41:50] EvilGuru: Currently my Linux server will do the same
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[11:42:31] directhex: Solaris444, CPU requirements for MPEG2 aren't too bad.
[11:42:55] Solaris444: EvilGuru: just curious, but how would you get a software raid to email you if something goes wrong?
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[11:43:28] Solaris444: directhex: i thought the dvb-t stream didn't need to be encoded in mpeg2 as it arrives in mpeg2 format?
[11:43:53] directhex: Solaris444, right. i'm talking about playback.
[11:43:54] EvilGuru: Solaris444: When it detects disk failure it will send an e-mail, not much too it
[11:44:25] Solaris444: directhex: oh whoops. sorry. ok fair enough then. any dual-core cpu should do fine then surely?
[11:44:38] directhex: Solaris444, for mpeg2? yes, i'd say so
[11:45:10] Solaris444: EvilGuru: that's what i mean. I tried to find out how to do that a while back but couldn't find any solution.
[11:45:15] Solaris444: any hints would be welcome.
[11:45:54] Solaris444: directhex: so he would need 1 tuner card in order to watch plus a second in order to record a different channel simultaneously?
[11:46:05] directhex: Solaris444, yes, with exceptions
[11:46:10] Solaris444: oh?
[11:46:11] Solaris444: do tell.
[11:46:31] directhex: Solaris444, digital cards tune to a given multiplex or transponder, which carries several channels
[11:46:48] directhex: Solaris444, mythtv is capable of recording & showing several channels from the same tp/mplex, with only one card
[11:47:28] directhex: in the UK for example, bbc1, bbc2, and bbc3 are all on the same multiplex, so you can record 2 and watch 1, with only one tuner
[11:48:12] Solaris444: interesting.
[11:51:23] Solaris444: generally speaking our free-to-air stations over here have only 2 hd channels
[11:51:37] Solaris444: so do i just put a splitter coming off the antenna?
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[11:54:23] rooaus: Solaris444: Check out monitor mode for mdadm, http://www.linuxmanpages.com/man8/mdadm.8.php
[11:55:01] Solaris444: thanks rooaus
[11:55:05] Solaris444: I will.
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[11:59:28] rooaus: Solaris444: The multiplex that directhex was speaking of would correspond to abc, seven, nine etc. The networks have all their "channels" on one multiplex each.
[12:01:41] rooaus: So with one tuner you could watch and/or record, for instance, ABC1 ABC2 and ABCHD all at the same time.
[12:04:40] Solaris444: i figured as much
[12:04:47] Solaris444: but obviously not nine and ten
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[13:43:48] justinh: heh that manager keeps coming in the lab asking if a machine is ready yet. we're about to point out to him that nobody has, as yet even asked for it to be got ready :)
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[14:23:16] justinh: farking heck. google are being force dto hand over youtube logs? bye bye interwebby thingy
[14:23:52] webvictim: forced
[14:23:55] webvictim: *forced?
[14:23:55] webvictim: why?
[14:24:22] sid3windr: COURT SAYS SO
[14:24:23] sid3windr: :)
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[14:27:53] justinh: as if there's much on youtube worth watching anyway, then when it comes to what isn't stolen material.. hmmm
[14:28:59] |Torg|: if i wanted to watch pirated shows, the LAST place I would go to is youtube and its terrible video quality
[14:30:39] |Torg|: go get blenders big buck bunny (http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/index.php/download/) then go watch it on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=allOsEHARo8)
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[14:44:54] justinh: never watching any blender effort again after Emowhatever
[14:45:29] justinh: plot? oh who cares it's open source yay! who needs substance when it's FREE?
[14:47:26] directhex: big buck bunny is worth the 7 minutes to watch
[14:47:32] directhex: i gave elephant's dream less than 30 seconds
[14:48:20] justinh: I might spare it that much after I get back from my hols
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[15:45:14] alex___: people, simple question does mythtv support recording or PIP on dual headed dvb cards?
[15:45:19] alex___: like KNC1 DVB-S2+ TV Station
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[15:45:39] alex___: or DVB-T like WinTV-NOVA-T-500
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[15:46:05] iamlindoro__: Myth supports PiP between anything linux considers to be two tuners, so if it is two discrete DVB devices in /dev/dvb, then yes
[15:46:52] Alexman: Hauppauge WinTV HVR-4000 with some drivers have two frontends
[15:48:00] Alexman: like /dev/dvb/device0/frontend0 and /dev/dvb/devive0/frontend1
[15:48:04] iamlindoro__: Just be aware that Myth doesn't support S2/Multiproto without patches and then if you *do* patch it, all of us will shrug our shoulders and call it "unsupported"
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[15:48:50] iamlindoro__: especially since linuxtv *itself* has no official S2 support
[15:49:05] Alexman: and there's any kind of hdtv supported?
[15:49:18] iamlindoro__: Sure, Myth will happily o HDTV, you don't need DVB-S2 for that
[15:49:22] iamlindoro__: er happily do
[15:49:59] Alexman: many satellite HD channels broadcasting on dvb-s2
[15:50:01] iamlindoro__: There's plenty of HD on plain ol'd DVB-S/T/C, etc.
[15:52:13] Alexman: I think there is not sense to put a becoming obsolete equipment on the brand new system
[15:52:32] iamlindoro__: DVB-S isn't even close to becoming obsolete
[15:52:48] iamlindoro__: As the vast, vast, vast majority of Satellite signals are S, not S2
[15:53:21] Alexman: for now i'm chosen KNC1 DVB-S2+ TV Station, Hauppauge WinTV HVR-4000, WinTV-NOVA-T-500
[15:53:48] Alexman: i think will be troubles with hvr4000
[15:53:52] iamlindoro__: Then you have one card that can actually be called supported, the Nova T 500
[15:54:18] Alexman: does it support multirecording?
[15:54:25] the9a3eedi: hi there. Dunno if this is the right place to ask this, but I'm setting up my gentoo box to run mythtv, so I got TV-out to work with the shell and X11 quite good. Only one problem. There's this thing where some parts of the screen around the edges aren't shown on the TV. I believe this is called overscan. I tried editing xorg.conf with no luck.. any other ideas? thanks in advance
[15:54:27] iamlindoro__: yes
[15:54:29] Alexman: mythtv i mean
[15:54:36] iamlindoro__: again, yes
[15:54:53] Alexman: and what about knc?
[15:55:21] Alexman: on linuxtv wiki doesn't written anything about troubles
[15:55:43] Alexman: maybe they doesn't exist? :)
[15:55:46] iamlindoro__: Alexman: That wiki speaks about forked drivers, actual linuxtv does not do *any* S2 yet
[15:56:06] iamlindoro__: And the drivers for those cards are unlikely to be merged into actual linuxtv tree in the near future, since they can't agree on the API
[15:56:29] iamlindoro__: So you can install the hacked drivers if you like, but you'll get no support here on in linuxtv for them
[15:56:38] iamlindoro__: er here or in
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[15:58:23] ** iamlindoro__ makes mkrufky the official question answerer for all future questions in this vein. **
[15:58:29] iamlindoro__: Tag, you're it
[15:59:04] the9a3eedi: Also, does anybody know of any online store I can use to buy a good (Hauppauge) DVB-S card and also ships internationally? I live in the UAE, where there's practically 0 interest in these kinds of things. All the cards I found have limited or no support, so I decided to get one online..
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[15:59:24] Alexman: dvbshop?
[15:59:24] iamlindoro__: the9a3eedi: You may have some luck with eBay and getting a seller to send internationally
[16:00:07] Alexman: so there's no mythtv support on multifrontend cards?
[16:00:25] Alexman: as far i find – theren't
[16:00:43] iamlindoro__: Alexman: Where'd you get that idea? I told you that myth will handle multiple tuner cards fine. There is no mythtv support (or official linuxtv support) for DVB-S2/multiproto
[16:01:06] mkrufky: iamlindoro__: what did i miss?
[16:01:17] iamlindoro__: mkrufky: DVB-Ess-toooo
[16:01:37] sid3windr: ASSTWO
[16:01:39] mkrufky: i dont speak s
[16:01:43] iamlindoro__: Figure you're closer to the official party line on that than I am
[16:01:45] the9a3eedi: iamlindoro_: I thought of that, but didn't have much luck :( limited choices in there for limited countries (mostly US, some Canada) , and I have a specific card in mind, but I dontmind choosing an alternative as long as it fits my needs
[16:01:48] Alexman: many of info i saw on VDR wikis :)
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[16:02:30] iamlindoro__: Alexman: Wikis are edited by users, any asshole with a keyboard can make one-- doesn't make Linux DVB-S2 support any more than a hack
[16:03:28] mkrufky: did he want a product recommended?
[16:03:33] mkrufky: ...or did he want something to work?
[16:03:39] iamlindoro__: so once more with gusto, There is *no* official, supported method of doing DVB-S2 in linux. You can use one of the many hacks, but you really ought to expect that to be a dead end until there is an agreed upon API and an official linuxtv set of S2 drivers
[16:03:57] iamlindoro__: mkrufky: I've sort of covered both eventualities
[16:04:05] mkrufky: heh
[16:04:14] mkrufky: the ACTUAL situation --
[16:04:22] mkrufky: nobody cares anymore
[16:04:27] mkrufky: too many emails arguing about it
[16:04:37] mkrufky: and those that used to care have movved on tio things that matter to them
[16:04:59] mkrufky: sometimes talking about these things beat it to death, and then nobody wins
[16:05:19] iamlindoro__: Until they start putting satellites up over Hawaii which my condo faces or I move, I'll never care :)
[16:05:23] mkrufky: and in reality, most dvb-s2 is encrypted
[16:05:43] mkrufky: so there is very little interest in that, anyway, since we dont steal things that dont belong to us
[16:05:53] iamlindoro__: You must be new here
[16:05:54] iamlindoro__: ;)
[16:08:05] iamlindoro__: We need to start exporting HDCP to China/Taiwan so that they hack us a nice HDMI HDCP "compliant" *cough* capture card
[16:08:20] Alexman: that's so stupid, all this disagrees about apis
[16:08:29] Alexman: that's cool idea
[16:08:33] iamlindoro__: Which possession of will carry the same prison time as a WMD
[16:09:42] mkrufky: actually... this time is was not a disagreement about an API
[16:09:50] mkrufky: finally, everybody agreed to the dvb-s2 api
[16:09:58] mkrufky: then the guy decided not to allow a merge
[16:10:05] mkrufky: and now he has disappeared
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[16:10:37] iamlindoro__: Was the stuff not GPL?
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[16:13:51] Alexman: all this stuff creates feeling of... some proprietary
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[16:22:51] mkrufky: iamlindoro__: it was all GPL, but the developer refuses to merge it
[16:22:56] mkrufky: he wont give a sob
[16:23:15] iamlindoro__: mkrufky: What's to stop a checkout-and-fork?
[16:23:21] iamlindoro__: aside from decency :)
[16:23:36] mkrufky: u lost me
[16:23:40] mkrufky: thats exactly what he did
[16:23:43] mkrufky: he forked the tree
[16:24:09] iamlindoro__: I meant his fork, what's to stop someone checking out the relevant bits and merging them?
[16:24:40] mkrufky: the fact that nobody tested normal dvb-s atsc or dvb-t in that tree
[16:24:51] mkrufky: and that the changes in that tree touch every driver
[16:24:58] iamlindoro__: ahhhh, I got ya
[16:25:00] mkrufky: no sense in testing if its not going to be merged
[16:25:07] mkrufky: a test will uncover errors
[16:25:11] mkrufky: errors need to be fixed
[16:25:18] mkrufky: why waste my time fixing something that wont be merged?
[16:25:21] iamlindoro__: yeah, I'm with you now, didn't realize the changes went that deep
[16:25:24] mkrufky: ya
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[17:05:38] justinh: woohoo! one of the crims who broke into my house has been caught. now for the bad news. he's been charged in relation to a different offence somewhere else & is having the crime against me taken into account. FFS
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[17:06:46] justinh: since when does owning up to other crimes you've committed constitute an advantage? should work the other way ffs
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[17:08:28] GreyFoxx: probably a "I'll give you details about crime A and people involved if you don't charge be over crime B" type thing
[17:08:46] justinh: should be multiple counts IMHO
[17:08:50] justinh: screw the cleanup rate
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[17:09:59] MasseR: justinh: Did you get your stuff back?
[17:10:04] MasseR: I just lost my second bike
[17:10:12] MasseR: Two bikes in less than 6 months
[17:10:41] justinh: they found my car. twice
[17:11:54] justinh: once when it was being driven to scotland, having been driven away from a petrol station without fuel being paid for (took them quite a while to realise it was on the stolen register apparently)... and once after it'd been sold at auction by the insurance company
[17:12:33] MasseR: :D
[17:12:44] MasseR: I haven't got mine back. And probably never will :/
[17:13:03] justinh: I didn't get the car or anything else back. very happy with my new car :)
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[17:13:31] justinh: saved me a fortune in fuel moving to an efficient diesel car :)
[17:13:38] jduggan: which car?
[17:13:39] MasseR: :D
[17:13:49] justinh: peugeot 206 1.4HDi
[17:13:56] jduggan: ah
[17:14:02] justinh: getting 65mpg & I don't have to drive like a vicar
[17:14:06] jduggan: hdi are economic
[17:14:10] jduggan: good engines
[17:14:27] ** jduggan is scouting for a rangerover, currently **
[17:14:30] justinh: not what I'd ever call nippy but it gets me to work & back
[17:14:33] jduggan: 20mpg :\
[17:14:51] justinh: jesus. feeling rich?
[17:15:02] jduggan: nah, theyre cheap
[17:15:04] jduggan: lost all value
[17:15:09] jduggan: (second hand ofcourse)
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[17:15:33] jduggan: sure, theyre expensive to run etc... but you save 50% on the vehicle
[17:15:35] jduggan: :P
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[17:16:08] justinh: if i ever want a car with armchairs in it, I'll buy something along those lines
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[17:16:39] justinh: and great! day before we go away & our dog has got himself an exploding arse
[17:16:49] justinh: does it get any better?
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[17:19:56] |Torg|: 20mpg? hell by dodge 2500 HD gets 22
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[17:35:02] psicobra: hi all i have a problem when trying to import a dvd it says can't connect to mythtranscoding deamon
[17:35:22] psicobra: i tells me to press buttons and i do and it seems to start normally
[17:35:29] psicobra: is there a way to stop that message?
[17:36:21] iamlindoro__: sure, start mtd with the -d option somewhere else, be it w/ and init script, rc.local, etc.
[17:36:40] psicobra: mtd?
[17:37:03] Anduin: the Myth Transcode Daemon
[17:37:23] psicobra: doesn't that start automatically?
[17:37:35] Anduin: Yeah, when you press the button :)
[17:37:42] psicobra: i never had this before i am using a mythtv distro mythbuntu
[17:37:44] Anduin: or do what iamlindoro said
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[17:38:37] Anduin: Probably should then, don't know mythbutu specifics
[17:38:38] psicobra: ok thanks
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[17:38:41] psicobra: will try
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[17:40:15] Ace2016: is the onion news network an actual tv station? the clips and graphics in them on theonion.com look too good to be done just for the internet
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[17:42:28] DarthFrog: How do I de-select recordings in MythArchive? I can not remove items once selected, even after the project is done. (well, it didn't finish properly due to file permissions).
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[17:43:59] Ace2016: pressing m usually brings up options, try that
[17:44:03] scant: are there any ATSC/QAM PCI or USB devices that also do on-board analog MPEG-2 encoding that is compatible with linux?
[17:44:23] iamlindoro__: scant: ATSC/QAM don't *need* hardware encoding
[17:44:37] iamlindoro__: ah, I see, you want one that *also* does analog
[17:44:39] DarthFrog: Ace2016: Thanks, I will.
[17:44:44] iamlindoro__: yes, the HVR 1600 and 1800 would fit the bill
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[17:44:57] scant: iamlindoro: "on-board analog" or MPEG-2 encoding of NTSC analog
[17:45:29] iamlindoro__: Se above, HVR-1600 and 1800
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[17:45:33] iamlindoro__: er see
[17:45:49] scant: iamlindoro: the HVR-1800 isn't listed on the linuxtv.org ATSC PCI wiki page
[17:46:00] iamlindoro__: wikis are edited by human beings
[17:46:03] iamlindoro__: that's their problem
[17:46:07] |Torg|: Ace2016: no its not a real tv show in the bordcast sence, its intentioanlly made in satire however and is in talks with Comedy Cetral for a buyout
[17:46:13] iamlindoro__: both cards are supported, both digital and analog
[17:46:40] justinh: wow I see people really do see flashy graphics & think 'proper media' then :)
[17:47:07] Ace2016: they should do, i love the sketches
[17:47:41] scant: iamlindoro: so both the HVR-1600 and HVR-1800 can tune to NTSC/ATSC/QAM in Linux and also do on-board MPEG-2 encoding of NTSC analog signals?
[17:47:49] iamlindoro__: yes
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[17:48:06] justinh: obviously not at the same time though
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[17:48:20] scant: justinh: r u sure about that?
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[17:48:27] iamlindoro__: well, the 1800 can, it's two discrete tuners
[17:48:29] scant: justinh: I thought the HVR-1800 can
[17:48:44] justinh: didn't realise the 1800 was dual tuner
[17:48:47] scant: doh
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[17:49:20] justinh: so then yeah, if it's dual tuner, it prolly can :)
[17:49:26] scant: iamlindoro: is the discrete tuners in the HVR-1800 the only difference between the 2 models?
[17:49:37] scant: iamlindoro: i'm having trouble figuring out the exact differences
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[17:50:04] iamlindoro__: HVR-1600 = PCI, single tuner but both formats, HVR-1800 = PCIe, dual tuner, both formats
[17:50:46] |Torg|: Ace2016: tenically the onion is a newspaper, and suposedly is sold in the UK
[17:51:00] Ace2016: oh
[17:51:12] scant: iamlindoro: I use 2 WinTV 150 cards, but as we know Happague likes to have like a few different model #'s for each type of card, are all models supported?
[17:51:37] Ace2016: i don't thin its the same thing
[17:51:38] justinh: not all models are supported, no
[17:51:50] scant: iamlindoro: like the HVR-1800 comes in model 01121, 01128, 01176, 01129
[17:52:00] iamlindoro__: scant: that would be a better question for #linuxtv
[17:52:06] scant: ok, thx
[17:52:16] justinh: or the wiki, if it was anything like UP TO DATE :D
[17:52:28] justinh: muhahahaha
[17:52:53] iamlindoro__: One could always cross their fingers and hope the source was well commented, I guess
[17:53:27] justinh: oh FFS! http://uk.gizmodo.com/2008/03/12/french_maid_ . . . o_la_la.html
[17:53:47] scant: the wiki is not up to date, not that I'm complaining, it doesn't list the HVR-1800 at all
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[17:54:12] iamlindoro__: yes it does
[17:54:13] iamlindoro__: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1800
[17:54:24] ** |Torg| sometimes wonders where justin gets all his news from, and why **
[17:54:27] scant: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCI_Cards
[17:54:30] scant: not listed there
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[17:54:43] iamlindoro__: scant: Those index pages don't update themselves ya know
[17:54:50] iamlindoro__: that's why god gave us "search"  :)
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[17:54:56] scant: shessh, again, i said i'm not complaining
[17:55:08] iamlindoro__: anyway, the 1800 page is still out of date
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[17:55:50] scant: iamlindoro: look if I want to do comparisions of cards, I'd look at the master index, rather than crawling the web to find every single ATSC/QAM/NTSC usb pci card out there and doing a search for each one on the wiki, that's ridiculous
[17:55:52] iamlindoro__: it's also not a PCI card
[17:56:15] scant: iamlindoro: well, I asked for a reccomendation for a PCI card, not a PCIe card
[17:56:20] iamlindoro__: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCIe_Cards
[17:56:38] scant: <scant> are there any ATSC/QAM PCI or USB devices that also do on-board analog MPEG-2 encoding that is compatible with linux?
[17:56:48] scant: <iamlindoro__> yes, the HVR 1600 and 1800 would fit the bill
[17:56:54] iamlindoro__: *eyeroll*
[17:56:56] iamlindoro__: yes dear
[17:56:59] iamlindoro__: so buy a 1600 then
[17:57:40] iamlindoro__: Lord, what an ingrate, anyway
[17:58:03] scant: iamlindoro: fuck you
[17:58:13] ** stoneymonster pops popcorn **
[17:58:24] ** |Torg| stands by to watch **
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[17:58:33] scant: name calling is mean and mean people suck
[17:58:49] iamlindoro__: No no, I am in a nice guy mood today/at the moment, nothing to see here
[17:58:59] ** stoneymonster moves along **
[17:59:16] scant: well, if calling someone an ingrate is something you do when you're nice, uh oh
[17:59:32] iamlindoro__: yes, this is me when I'm being nice.
[17:59:38] |Torg|: actaly using profanity is a sign of stupididty, its for those who do not have a sufficient vocabulary to express their self
[17:59:50] iamlindoro__: Fucking a
[17:59:52] iamlindoro__: ;)
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[18:00:44] |Torg|: umm it means an ungrateful person
[18:02:34] |Torg|: and scant you would probly do better to ask a more informed question, there is no analog mpeg2, in any form, any way. And no ATSC or QAM is sent alalog.
[18:02:41] |Torg|: but hell google would have told you that
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[18:03:51] scant: um, you're splitting hairs dude, and i don't think i ever referred to mpeg2 as analog, i referred to NTSC as analog
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[18:06:16] |Torg|: http://www.google.com/search?q=pci+ntsc+atsc+ . . . ;btnG=Search
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[18:07:08] iamlindoro__: |Torg|: don't be silly, this is where people com to *avoid* having to google for themselves
[18:07:12] EvilGuru: iamlindoro__: Are you feeling okay!?! You are alarmingly nice at the moment
[18:07:17] iamlindoro__: s/#mythtv-users/#google-proxy/
[18:07:31] iamlindoro__: EvilGuru: I think I bumped my head on the way out of bed this AM
[18:07:56] EvilGuru: See if justinh can cover for you until you're back on your feet
[18:08:09] iamlindoro__: Well he is where I learned my best tricks
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[18:12:03] iamlindoro__: I see he's gone from having sand in his vagina here to having sand in his vagina in #linuxtv.... poor mkrufky
[18:12:30] scant: so mean
[18:12:40] iamlindoro__: We're just a "this isn't what open source is all about" away rom coming full circle
[18:13:15] mkrufky: oh, my
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[18:13:24] mkrufky: i should catch up on channel logs before i speak up, huh
[18:13:50] iamlindoro__: ah well, can't be helped now
[18:14:51] mkrufky: he isnt bothering me yet
[18:14:52] PatrickDK: can we just take the radio-shack approach?
[18:15:02] PatrickDK: you have questions? well, good for you.
[18:15:05] mkrufky: i think i answered him and he's satisfied with my answer
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[18:19:09] |Torg|: so what did you tell him get a 1250 for pcie or a 1600 for pci?
[18:20:04] iamlindoro__: mentioned the 1800 for PCIe, but it probably would have gone the same either way
[18:20:22] iamlindoro__: Some people you just can't help
[18:21:18] |Torg|: some people expect irc to be a spoon feading of information, walking them through step by step to which tye deservce your help and you are here for thier own use
[18:21:42] scant: Look, if you're not here to help then what are yo uhere for?
[18:21:56] iamlindoro__: to make fun of people who no read good
[18:22:00] scant: I wasn't asking for spoon fed information, I was asking a very specific quesiton, that only have a few possible answers
[18:22:17] |Torg|: hmm to test a hdpvr, talk to the devs, speak to people who use the software in much the same way I do, and answer questions which I feal I can answer
[18:22:21] mkrufky: 1250 is a hybrid, not a combo
[18:22:30] |Torg|: do I take exection at people who EXPECT answers of cousr
[18:22:36] scant: this is the users channel, not the devs channel
[18:22:41] |Torg|: do I dislike those who coul dhave simply used google, well yes
[18:22:44] scant: it's a support channel
[18:22:49] scant: it's for questions and coversation
[18:22:53] |Torg|: of users, for users, by users
[18:23:05] iamlindoro__: Ait's anarchy, I tell you! anarchy!
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[18:23:23] |Torg|: and I personnly find it intersting you chose to pick a fight with one of the more knowegable people here
[18:23:51] |Torg|: THEN went elsewhere, got the same information, and somehow cant figure out who it is you are really talking to
[18:24:00] iamlindoro__: I'll admit to extreme levels of sarcasm, but I must say that knowing my own penchant for teasing I was being pretty nice :)
[18:24:14] |Torg|: but that is fine, you go on. Ill just see who else you can piss off in a day.
[18:24:39] mkrufky: for the record, i was very nice to scant, and i told him to ignore those poking fun, and he didnt welcome my help
[18:24:49] mkrufky: i really tried to be nice
[18:25:18] |Torg|: your always nice :)
[18:25:23] scant: mkrufky: threatening to ignore me isn't exactly being nice
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[18:25:44] sphery_: again, be careful who you upset, scant
[18:25:55] |Torg|: scant did it ever occur to you the people who are giving you adivce maybe use the hardware themselves?
[18:26:25] mkrufky: 'scant you lose
[18:26:27] mkrufky: its over
[18:26:30] mkrufky: next topic
[18:26:56] mkrufky: (buy the hvr1600)
[18:27:16] mkrufky: thank you, |Torg| .... im glad somebody thinks so ;-)
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[18:40:10] PatrickDK: why must waterproof rj45's be so huge
[18:40:50] mkrufky-away: networkign your shower head, PatrickDK?
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[18:41:03] |Torg|: ethernet in the bathroom :)
[18:41:07] mkrufky: :-)
[18:41:10] PatrickDK: motorcycle
[18:41:16] PatrickDK: already did the truck
[18:42:02] |Torg|: you networked your truck? what did you use, really long cat5?
[18:42:13] PatrickDK: na, wireless for the truck
[18:42:25] PatrickDK: and technically this isn't network, my radio uses rj45 connections
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[18:43:40] Gumby: If I have started a transcoding of a playlist, is there any way to stop it?
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[19:01:04] abqjp: Hey iamlindoro__, I think the hdpvr wiki page is out of date. It doesn't mention that you CAN watch live TV.
[19:01:14] abqjp: :-p
[19:01:44] iamlindoro__: " At the moment, LiveTV is functional at least once, and channel changing is possible without crashing the backend or corrupting the streams. Channel changing must be done through external means as no IR support has yet been released for the HD-PVR."
[19:01:46] iamlindoro__: Hmph!
[19:01:47] iamlindoro__: ;)
[19:02:00] |Torg|: At the moment, LiveTV is functional at least once, and channel changing is possible without crashing the backend or corrupting the streams. Channel changing must be done through external means as no IR support has yet been released for the HD-PVR.
[19:02:08] iamlindoro__: heh
[19:02:26] iamlindoro__: Do not stare directly at wacky fun ball
[19:02:36] iamlindoro__: er happy fun ball
[19:02:39] abqjp: Sorry, I couldn't resist after reading the backlog for the last hour.
[19:02:59] iamlindoro__: hehe
[19:03:03] |Torg|: LiveTV works fine for me, exept my frontend wil crash as soon as it flips from the static screen saver to 1080I, its not crashing on anything other then the decode tho
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[19:03:23] iamlindoro__: I mean it's one thing to be called mean when I'm being crass/sarcastic/a pain in the ass, but not when I'm actually being *nice*  :)
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[19:04:17] iamlindoro__: If HD-PVR begins to smoke, seek shelter and cover head.
[19:04:31] abqjp: janneg said he might have the irblaster working within the next day or so.
[19:04:34] iamlindoro__: HD-PVR was constructed from an unknown glowing substance which fell to Earth, presumably from outer space.
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[19:04:46] iamlindoro__: Do not taunt HD-PVR
[19:04:53] |Torg|: dont put HD-PVR inside that TV stand with the glass doors, no matter how much WAF you need :P
[19:05:42] |Torg|: also dont let SO look behind the TV, av equpment, and PC :)
[19:07:01] Dagmar: Why not.
[19:07:10] Dagmar: Rats will eat their face off, ending the problem
[19:07:30] abqjp: |Torg|: I am sure iamlindoro will let you update the wiki with all of that important information.
[19:07:52] iamlindoro__: Wikis are for everyone!
[19:08:21] |Torg|: wait this is iamlindoro we are tlkign about, whats a wiki?
[19:08:36] iamlindoro__: It's the thing I link people to instead of giving them their easily google-able answers
[19:09:04] stoneymonster: wikis are for communists, I prefer to ask knowledgeable people directly then mock their answers
[19:09:27] |Torg|: I prefer to simply insult them directly
[19:09:33] iamlindoro__: Little known fact, I've never used MythTV in my life, I'm just a master at *actually reading things*
[19:09:51] stoneymonster: I thought as much
[19:10:19] abqjp: It has always amazed me that sphery can come up with.
[19:10:25] abqjp: s/that/what/
[19:10:53] abqjp: sphery claims he does not have a photographic memory. iamlindoro, do you?
[19:11:11] iamlindoro__: Nope not me, would be neat though
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[19:11:36] |Torg|: I think its more about being asked teh same quesitons day after day, week after week, it eventualy becase habbit
[19:11:53] iamlindoro__: I bet if I did I'd become irritable  ;)
[19:12:03] iamlindoro__: like, "Why can't people *remember* these things?"
[19:12:06] |Torg|: what card shoild I use to record analog ATSC?
[19:12:18] Dagmar: Torg: A credit card.
[19:12:25] |Torg|: can my 486/66 play mpeg2, I tried and it wont work with xvmc
[19:12:27] stoneymonster: I have an old apple II CP/M card. That might work
[19:12:28] sphery: abqjp: there's a difference between having a photographic memory and being so stubborn that once you start looking for something, you refuse to quit 'til it's found.  :)
[19:12:34] stoneymonster: 1mhz z80
[19:12:40] abqjp: See, I only joined IRC about a month ago, so I am still a newbie!
[19:12:46] sphery: abqjp: the latter also requires you to spend /way/ too much time on MythTV
[19:13:01] beandog: youre only a noob depending on how stupid your question is
[19:13:05] beandog: or how much we decide to laugh at you
[19:13:35] |Torg|: well more like when you ask someone opionion, they give it to you, and you want to argue with them over it
[19:13:45] iamlindoro__: It's trial by fire. You move from object of laughter, to being ignored, to not ignored but not allowed to talk off-topic, to being able to talk about whatever you want
[19:13:46] stoneymonster: I only joined irc a week or so ago
[19:13:50] abqjp: sphery's fault. Without him, I never would have looked here, and my only knowledge of the HD-PVR would come from iamlindoro's wiki page.
[19:14:09] iamlindoro__: Would have made it a short page
[19:15:04] sphery: abqjp: and all the HD-PVR users would still be waiting patiently for someone else to do the work you did...
[19:15:04] beandog: iamlindoro, you have a wiki?
[19:15:30] abqjp: naw, janneg would have gotten to it.
[19:15:32] |Torg|: abqjp: if it were not fop you I would stil be usign cat and mythvideo
[19:15:33] iamlindoro__: beandog: naw, just an entry on the myth one
[19:15:43] beandog: oh
[19:16:38] |Torg|: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:Iamlindoro
[19:17:03] iamlindoro__: although in this case I think abqjp means the HD-PVR one
[19:17:24] iamlindoro__: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HD-PVR
[19:18:26] ** sphery thinks there should be a redirect from HD-PVR to Hauppauge_HD-PVR **
[19:18:37] sphery: (but since I know nothing of wiki's...)
[19:19:17] |Torg|: just click on the edit links, and if you want to make a page just type it in and it will let you make one
[19:19:39] sphery: how do I tell it to go to an already-existing page instead of creating a new one?
[19:19:52] |Torg|: search it
[19:20:03] |Torg|: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php?title=Sp . . . ;action=edit create it
[19:20:04] iamlindoro__: #REDIRECT [[pagename]]
[19:20:10] |Torg|: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Search/Sphery search it
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[19:20:18] iamlindoro__: ie #REDIRECT [[Hauppauge HD-PVR]]
[19:20:22] iamlindoro__: as the only text on the page
[19:20:28] sphery: got it...
[19:20:34] sphery: learning is fun!
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[19:20:42] iamlindoro__: more people should do it :)
[19:21:21] abqjp: I need food.
[19:21:59] sphery: Wow, it works! Thanks for the help iamlindoro__ and |Torg|
[19:22:04] iamlindoro__: any tie
[19:22:05] iamlindoro__: time
[19:22:22] ** abqjp goes in search for food **
[19:22:38] jams: sphery- are you using gcc 4.3?
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[19:22:53] sphery: jams: no, I have a (broken) gcc 4.1.1
[19:23:10] jams: release-fixes is failing to install because of the perl bindings. This happened after updating to 4.3
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[19:23:31] sphery: In -fixes... Hmmm.
[19:23:37] Alexman: just sawed wall-e, people it's cool!!! :)
[19:23:40] Gumby: Does anyone know a way to stop a playlist transcode after its started?
[19:23:45] jams: thought you would have been a good person to know about such things
[19:23:45] sphery: jams: got any compiler output?
[19:23:54] jams: maybe
[19:24:15] jams: let me see if it's in scrollback, for now I just disabled the @#$@#( perl bindings
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[19:25:20] iamlindoro__: Yes, Wall-e is really sweet, I liked it too
[19:25:36] GreyFoxx: yeah
[19:25:42] GreyFoxx: took my daughter to see it, we loved it :)
[19:26:04] GreyFoxx: amazing how much the robots could convey by just saying each others name :)
[19:26:05] Alexman: pixar is good as always
[19:26:23] Alexman: mac start-up sound was fun :)
[19:26:40] Alexman: just like my imac :P
[19:26:52] GreyFoxx: yeaH :)
[19:27:40] iamlindoro__: I expect bad things from Hancock but I'll see it anyway
[19:28:01] jams: guess it will be quicker to just compile again
[19:28:06] iamlindoro__: And then the dark knight!!!!
[19:28:23] sphery: did you mention it in here or in #mythtv? Might have it in mine.
[19:28:24] iamlindoro__: and hellboy 2
[19:28:41] jams: sphery- my konsole scrollback
[19:28:45] |Torg|: I was looking forward to hancock, why do you think it will be bad?
[19:28:57] iamlindoro__: |Torg|: it's gotten universally awful reviews
[19:29:00] sphery: jams: Oh, I didn't copy that when I was on your system.  :)
[19:29:07] jams: hehe
[19:29:27] sphery: iamlindoro__: I thought that was a sure-fire sign of a great movie?
[19:29:33] Alexman: i'll see it anyway
[19:29:41] iamlindoro__: Apparently the fisrt half or so is pretty good but it falls apart in the end
[19:29:43] iamlindoro__: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/hancock/
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[19:30:22] jams: i heard the camerman had the shakes when it was filmed
[19:30:22] iamlindoro__: sphery: Like I said, I'll give it a shot, but don't expect much :)
[19:30:28] Alexman: my favorite movie for now – Across the Universe
[19:30:38] iamlindoro__: Across the Universe was also great
[19:30:40] Alexman: that was really cute
[19:30:48] iamlindoro__: Looks fantastic in 1080p, btw
[19:31:04] Alexman: where did you get 1080p?
[19:31:10] iamlindoro__: From the Blu-ray disk
[19:31:29] Alexman: i think on blu-ray 720p
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[19:31:34] iamlindoro__: no
[19:31:50] iamlindoro__: In fact I'm not aware of any Blu-ray films that are 720p
[19:32:07] sphery: If you watch a 720p show 1.5 times, did you see it in 1080p?
[19:32:11] gbee: -fixes working for everyone?
[19:32:15] iamlindoro__: uless you count the downloady transcoded internet crap
[19:32:28] iamlindoro__: sphery: it's all about MOAR PIXLS
[19:32:39] jams: gbee- why do you know something?
[19:32:39] sphery: gbee: jams is getting a gcc 4.3 compile issue with the perl bindings...
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[19:33:01] Alexman: in my country it's very hard to find good store with blu-ray movies
[19:33:16] Alexman: ukraine it's ukraine :(
[19:33:30] iamlindoro__: That's their new tourist slogan, I hear
[19:33:35] gbee: jams: don't know anything about a compile issue, I'm just wanting to check that the problem I'm having isn't something concerning mythtv
[19:33:35] iamlindoro__: Ukraine: It's Ukraine!
[19:33:43] Alexman: wha
[19:33:46] Alexman: ?
[19:34:34] iamlindoro__: Alexman: just joking around. Amazon will usually ship internationally, and you are in the same region as the UK, so you might try amazon.co.uk for Blu-ray
[19:34:48] iamlindoro__: blu-ray region, that i
[19:34:48] iamlindoro__: is
[19:35:31] iamlindoro__: I order DVDs from Amazon.co.uk of BBC shows, and they ship to the US, so I bet the Ukraine would be no problem
[19:36:19] Alexman: actually, easier is went to UK and buy there
[19:37:10] iamlindoro__: I think our definitions of easy are different :)
[19:37:42] Alexman: same stuff with iphones
[19:37:55] Alexman: i brought mine here for about 700 bucks
[19:38:12] Alexman: *bought
[19:38:35] Dagmar: Feh. Hopefully these rebuilds of x264/ffmpeg/mythtv will fix the weird corruption issue in the cutflag editor
[19:38:56] iamlindoro__: Dagmar: What kind of corruption are you seeing?
[19:40:52] jams: sphery- http://paste.bigbudden.com/view.php?id=20850
[19:41:16] sphery: thx
[19:41:39] jams: i have no idea where it's picking up the perl5 5.8.8 stuff
[19:42:00] jams: that is not installed on my machine, nor has it ever been
[19:42:16] Dagmar: iamlindoro: Going forward and back frame by frame clearly isn't clearing buffers properly. Frames don't update completely, as in like when you have truncated sections of video that weren't on an I frame
[19:43:09] Dagmar: jams: I can assure you you've had that version of perl on thatere
[19:43:26] jams: Dagmar- I have not
[19:43:36] iamlindoro__: Dagmar: Interesting-- I had a similar type of behavior from semi-broken MPEG-2 streams coming off my cable box, can usually solve it by either demuxing/remuxing the streams or running, let me see here....
[19:43:49] jams: this is a clean chroot that has only had perl 5.10 on it
[19:43:54] iamlindoro__: Dagmar: mythtranscode --mpeg2 --infile "$DIR/$FILE" --buildindex --showprogress
[19:43:56] iamlindoro__: that on it
[19:44:39] Dagmar: iamlindoro: OR I could just tell Myth to do a lossless transocde to clean up the mpeg file my tuner card made
[19:44:45] Dagmar: The point being, it didn't do this before
[19:44:50] Dagmar: Something was regressed.
[19:45:06] iamlindoro__: Ah, okay, just throwing it out there as I didn't know what your situation was
[19:45:13] Dagmar: jams: Arguing with me on this is going to be like arguing with God.
[19:45:21] Dagmar: Don't waste your time.
[19:45:26] Dagmar: Your chroot is unclean.
[19:45:43] Dagmar: I have spent WAY too much time debugging perl compile issues.
[19:46:48] Dagmar: Feel free to dig into the MythTV Makefiles to figure out where it's getting that path from if you like tho'.
[19:48:29] Anduin: the cleaning of Makefile.perl isn't actually that good
[19:50:02] Anduin: I've been about to commit: http://rafb.net/p/YpYivD54.html for, well a long time
[19:50:06] jams: Anduin- i just removed those files and am trying again. I suppose it's possible make distclean wasn't enough
[19:50:23] Anduin: Yeah, it isn't, doesn't actually remove Makefile.perl
[19:50:31] Dagmar: Yuuuck
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[19:51:06] bsdfox: is there any way to batch transcode files?
[19:51:30] Dagmar: Queue them one after the other.
[19:51:30] jams: hopefully that fixes it, cause again 5.8.8 has never been in this chroot.
[19:51:51] Dagmar: Chame on you for using unclean source
[19:52:12] |Torg|: bsdfox: for file in <whatever> do; comands $file; done
[19:52:26] EnderTheThird: Yeah, so one thing that can really make you feel like a moron is when you let Ubuntu delete all of var/lib/mythtv because you had it mount your recording partition there, but it rewrote the file structure and you lose all your recordings. Oops.
[19:52:58] sphery: wow, Anduin has a fix for jams's problem before I even got my -fixes working copy svn up'ed
[19:53:10] EnderTheThird: But on the positive side... I have 300GB free for recordings now! WOO!!!
[19:53:43] Anduin: Just more cruft that makes it in my tree and never sees trunk (in this case because I still don't like it)
[19:54:52] |Torg|: make clean in genreal is issues
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[19:59:49] jams: yeah it worked thanks Anduin and sphery
[20:00:51] sphery: I love being thanked when I didn't even do any work.  :)
[20:01:35] sphery: I thought the right etiquette for IRC said that as soon as your problem was solved, you left the channel without saying, "Thanks.".
[20:02:36] iamlindoro__: You'd be forgiven for thinking so
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[20:03:04] iamlindoro__: the more popular move is not acknowledging that the solution given works for you, idling fifteen minutes, THEN leaving
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[20:05:18] sphery: Oh, yeah. I forgot about that one. And, often, even the fact that someone offered a response isn't acknowledged.
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[20:08:11] PatrickDK: I perfer the ones that state the solution given, they tried, and doesn't work
[20:08:20] PatrickDK: when you know for a fact they didn't even attempt it
[20:09:03] sphery: that's always fun, too
[20:09:24] EnderTheThird: iamlindoro__: and arguing that there's a better, albeit probably impractical way, of doing it, even though the person has absolutely no idea what he's talking about
[20:09:46] iamlindoro__: help guys not new to linux new to mythtv tried googling for hours and hours but nobody seems to have this problem says can't connect to database, maybe is mythtv bug?
[20:09:47] |Torg|: but its only good if they insult you at the end
[20:09:59] iamlindoro__: ^^ above in #mythtv, of course
[20:10:10] Dagmar: PatrickDK: The ones who lie are generally convinced that I am a big dick for calling them out on it
[20:10:22] EnderTheThird: i love the internet
[20:10:40] Dagmar: ...even though they're saying things like "I've been googing for hours and I can't find out what 'hexadecimal' means"
[20:11:25] EnderTheThird: iamlindoro__: I got that HDD and new optical drive hooked up (albeit after letting Ubiquity delete all my recordings during reinstall... DOH). I see what you mean about DumpHD. I'm having a bit of trouble getting it to even find my BD movie in the drive, heh
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[20:11:38] |Torg|: Dagmar: worse is when they ask something, telling you they looked for it, and its the first link off google they could have gotten if they click I feel lucky
[20:11:40] iamlindoro__: EnderTheThird: yeah, not simple
[20:11:57] iamlindoro__: EnderTheThird: or user-friendly
[20:12:18] sphery: I was hoping that by the time I finished updating my Myth patches, the OpenMoko web store (technically, the Hi_Trust gateway handling payments for them) would be fixed.
[20:12:20] EnderTheThird: iamlindoro__: hell, i'm just happy it has a GUI! more than i got for my harmony remote for over a year, heh
[20:12:28] iamlindoro__: EnderTheThird: heh
[20:12:33] Dagmar: Torg: I am especially displeased by the "googling for hours" lie, because they're clearly trying to evoke pity
[20:12:47] sphery: (how's that for working Myth into a completely off-topic statement?)
[20:13:06] iamlindoro__: One of my favorite moves is telling us they are going back to Windows MCE as though that will hurt/bother us
[20:13:09] |Torg|: hell half the time I answer them my taking their own statment and reading where google sent me
[20:13:28] EnderTheThird: and that was for a year after i finally found an app to update it with in linux, heh
[20:13:34] beandog: windows mce? oh gawsh.
[20:13:50] beandog: Id sooner use a paper sack as my media server.
[20:13:51] |Torg|: go on use mce, dont let that brodcast flag bite you in the ass
[20:14:02] sphery: What about the guy who kept popping into #mythtv (not -users) and saying that Myth sucks, when he was trying to use MythTV as a simple capture program (a la dd)
[20:14:10] sphery: just in the last couple of days...
[20:14:12] |Torg|: if it comes to that ill dust off my old replay units
[20:14:12] EnderTheThird: online pains in the ass aside.... have you guys gotten Pulseaudio to forward analog streams through optical?
[20:14:17] iamlindoro__: |Torg|: haha, too true
[20:14:20] EnderTheThird: or tried, for that matter
[20:14:35] sphery: EnderTheThird: did you try the PulseAudio support patch?
[20:14:41] iamlindoro__: People who use MCE are probably the ideal target for shows like American Gladiators anyway
[20:14:55] beandog: hey now, I like that show
[20:14:56] EnderTheThird: sphery: no. clicky?
[20:15:18] |Torg|: beandog: did you watch Dancing with the Starts too?
[20:15:25] sphery: EnderTheThird: never tried it, but have fun testing: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5473
[20:15:27] beandog: |Torg|, gladly, no
[20:15:28] iamlindoro__: beandog: Seriously? So *you're* the one guy who watches it :)
[20:15:39] EnderTheThird: i watched part of one episode and only threw up in my mouth a few times
[20:15:45] beandog: well, I like the old one
[20:15:49] beandog: I havent seen the new one
[20:15:50] EnderTheThird: sphery: "fun" haha
[20:16:15] iamlindoro__: beandog: yeah, the old one was fun, I saw about thirty seconds of the new one and was totally turned off
[20:16:40] sphery: I wonder if gbee has done anything with OSS4 support (or if the recent ATI driver made that a much lower priority patch for him)
[20:17:04] gbee: sphery: the latter
[20:17:04] EnderTheThird: sphery: i take it this would need to be applied before compiling myth eh?
[20:17:36] jams: thats to bad, oss is awesome
[20:17:41] iamlindoro__: beandog: anyway, I had to choose it as it's one of the only two shows so far affected by the MS broadcast flag
[20:17:51] gbee: it's not that I won't work on OSS 4 support, but it's slipped down the list now
[20:17:54] sphery: gbee: I'm actually glad. Your talents are best applied on the creative changes (versus the simple ones). Yeah, ATI!
[20:18:06] beandog: iamlindoro__, well my take is, anyone who uses anything MS deserves all the pain they get
[20:18:27] |Torg|: MCE is for sheeple anyway
[20:18:30] beandog: at least, those who knowingly use it
[20:18:34] iamlindoro__: Heh. If I *had* to use Windows on the HTPC I'd probably use Sage, I dig those sexy little HD extenders with full frontends
[20:18:52] beandog: that didnt make sense.
[20:18:55] beandog: anyway
[20:19:02] beandog: I'm happy with my very pimped and hacked mythvideo setup.
[20:19:06] sphery: jams: but ALSA is better because it's newer and I haven't ever heard of OSS in any context other than the garbage snapshot/fork that's been in the kernel for years...
[20:19:18] sphery: (that was sarcasm)
[20:19:35] jams: i had hoped it was =)
[20:19:40] beandog: hasn't OSS been deprecated in the kernel since like ... forever?
[20:19:51] Ace2016: yes oss is dead
[20:19:59] sphery: long live OSS4
[20:20:02] jams: *sigh*
[20:20:11] beandog: I wonder if it'll ever actually get removed
[20:20:24] sphery: I hope it actually gets updated
[20:20:45] gbee: I shouldn't have to say this, but ALSA sucks
[20:21:09] Ace2016: whats wrong with alsa? it works well
[20:21:17] gbee: like hell it does
[20:21:18] sphery: wouldn't it be a fun change to actually have a sound system that didn't require reading the drivers' code to figure out how to configure it?
[20:21:33] Ace2016: alsamixer?
[20:22:08] iamlindoro__: changing volumes levels is NOT configuring it
[20:22:09] gbee: alsa is possible the weakest core component of linux right now, it needs to go or be radically improved
[20:22:10] sphery: and here I thought there was more to configuring audio than just volumes
[20:22:17] EnderTheThird: sound in linux is kind of a mess, at least from my standpoint as a user. no idea what it's like for people working on it
[20:22:34] sphery: EnderTheThird: probably worse
[20:22:45] iamlindoro__: sphery: I think it's funny that we both misspelled volume as "volumes" within five seconds
[20:22:46] jams: sphery- amazing concept! even oss3 had that
[20:22:56] EnderTheThird: heh, mostly didn't want anyone to think i was insulting their work. but i'm sure it's much worse for them
[20:22:59] gbee: I'm not joking when I say that Alsa has few devs than mythtv
[20:22:59] sphery: iamlindoro__: all great minds
[20:23:13] Ace2016: hello alsa, this is my sound card, you can use 5.1 surround since i've plugged the speakers in, is that what you mean by configure?
[20:24:07] iamlindoro__: Ace2016: google asoundrc and that's generally where the work is done in ALSA. And when you need to create something like THAT hot mess to configure sound, something is horribly wrong.
[20:24:20] Ace2016: wait a sec, if oss was so great then how come alsa has better driver support?
[20:24:29] sphery: Ace2016: I mean dmix, ttable, plug, ...
[20:24:36] jams: Ace2016- it doesn't
[20:24:42] Ace2016: wait what?
[20:24:46] Dagmar: oh wow
[20:24:55] Dagmar: I have GOT to find that damn tempfile bug and fix it
[20:25:06] sphery: Ace2016 is definitely still thinking of the kernel's "garbage snapshot/fork" of OSS
[20:25:21] sphery: Dagmar: what temp file names?
[20:25:33] ** sphery has been wondering since you first mentioned it **
[20:25:39] Ace2016: sphery: there is another?
[20:25:42] jams: i guess his statement would have been true maybe 10 years ago
[20:25:44] gbee: Ace2016: not the very old OSS in the kernel, the version that was maintained outside the kernel, it's recently gone to version 4 and is far superior to Alsa
[20:26:05] Ace2016: oh, now i didn't know about that
[20:26:09] Dagmar: sphery: mythtv_ddp_XXXXX
[20:26:15] Ace2016: why aren't more distros using it?
[20:26:23] EnderTheThird: is that imdb script supposed to pull up plot info for movies too? or is it broken or some such
[20:26:28] sphery: Dagmar: thx
[20:26:32] Dagmar: sphery: I just had my build fail because all those leftover tmpdirs ate my tmp
[20:26:40] jams: Ace2016- it only recently went GPL
[20:26:41] sphery: Ace2016: http://www.opensound.com/ , now OSS
[20:26:52] Dagmar: I looked at it before, so I've an idea where to prod it to fix it, but I'm going to see if it's still doing it in this new build
[20:26:54] sphery: (Open Sounds System is now Open Source Software :)
[20:27:14] EnderTheThird: right now it's telling my that Wedding Crashers' plot is "None." It's not that i'm disagreeing per se, but I am curious.
[20:27:15] Dagmar: I just didn't realize I should have nuked those *before* trying to build the latest .21-fixes heh
[20:27:23] sphery: Dagmar: without looking at the code, I'm pretty certain that's a data direct temp file
[20:27:26] jams: Ace2016- if you go to the site and read hannu's blog most of your questions will be answered
[20:27:48] Dagmar: sphery: There's a reason I typed with the XXXX's... Myth *is* allocating the tmp dir
[20:27:50] sphery: though that may not make sense for where you live (here my bad memory shows...)
[20:27:52] Dagmar: ...but it's not removing it.
[20:28:22] Dagmar: It might be now tho
[20:28:26] sphery: are the XXXX's numbers or are you getting 'X' characters there (i.e. the template)?
[20:28:59] Dagmar: XXXXX being part of the template. They've being created fine.
[20:29:12] sphery: OK, so they're replaced.
[20:29:17] Dagmar: I mean I've already dug through the mythtv source to find where those are being made.
[20:29:23] sphery: And are you using Schedules Direct?
[20:29:27] Dagmar: They're just weren't being deleted.
[20:29:31] Dagmar: Yes of course
[20:29:38] sphery: OK, couldn't remember where you lived.
[20:29:45] sphery: see, abqjp :)
[20:30:00] iamlindoro__: EnderTheThird: There was an issue a few weeks back where plot info wasn't being pulled down on some films, I think IMDB has been mucking around
[20:30:25] Dagmar: iamlindoro: Ya think?
[20:30:30] EnderTheThird: iamlindoro__: thanks
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[20:30:36] Dagmar: ...considering they have a serious "don't scrape us" policy...
[20:30:41] iamlindoro__: Dagmar: like always I suppose :)
[20:30:47] EnderTheThird: be back in a min. gotta get sound working on this stupid thing at some point today, heh
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[20:31:23] sphery: Dagmar: and Anduin is working to get approval for imdb.pl (otherwise, it will be removed from the MythTV source)
[20:31:39] Dagmar: sphery: That would be pretty spiff actually
[20:31:51] myosotiss: is there a page that lists mythtv's dependencies? I fail@finding it myself
[20:32:17] iamlindoro__: if you're on anything remotely debian based apt-get build-dep mythtv ought to do it
[20:32:31] myosotiss: I am not =)
[20:33:06] iamlindoro__: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_F . . . Dependencies
[20:33:11] iamlindoro__: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Fedora_8 . . . Dependencies
[20:33:14] iamlindoro__: should get you started
[20:34:09] myosotiss: good enough... many thanks
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[20:34:55] iamlindoro__: np
[20:35:13] hoeba: hi all, is it possible to use vcr+/showview/videoPlus to record a show?
[20:35:35] iamlindoro__: Is that like the codes in the TV guide for the old school VCRs?
[20:35:37] iamlindoro__: in which case, no
[20:35:41] iamlindoro__: AFAIK
[20:36:27] hoeba: yes, the codes printed in he tv guide
[20:36:43] iamlindoro__: then nope
[20:36:55] hoeba: any other method of recording a show that starts late/early ?
[20:36:57] iamlindoro__: On account of my grandma not needing to use MythTV
[20:37:11] iamlindoro__: hoeba: You can set pre-record and post-record times on all your rules
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[20:38:10] Anduin: My only remaining option is to pester the freevo folks until they reveal what they did to get imdb approval (I
[20:38:18] Anduin: 've only tried to contact them once)
[20:38:53] sphery: What's a TV Guide? Some printed thing? Sounds fancy.
[20:39:04] mkrufky: ha
[20:39:13] mkrufky: do they still make tv guide?
[20:39:20] mkrufky: mythweb totally obsoleted tv guide for me
[20:39:39] xris: tv guide magazine? it's mostly full of articles, etc.
[20:39:44] mkrufky: sphery: TV Guide is a weekly magazine
[20:39:52] xris: they have a big interactive website, too
[20:39:54] mkrufky: tv schedules, some articles in the front
[20:40:06] xris: they're owed by Gemstar, the primary competitor for TMS
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[20:40:25] xris: they wouldn't even talk to us when we were setting up SD, though, so we don't think too much of them.  :)
[20:40:25] iamlindoro__: I read it for the articles, just like my monthly issues of "wide latina asses"
[20:40:46] Dagmar: I don't think too much of them on general principle because their website design has always been such crap.
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[20:40:52] mkrufky: oof
[20:41:08] |Torg|: iamlindoro that would be "wide latino asses" :P
[20:41:16] iamlindoro__: oh, right, thanks
[20:41:31] mkrufky: u sure about that?
[20:41:44] iamlindoro__: Hey, if you can't laugh at yourself, who an ya laugh at?
[20:41:50] mkrufky: i think it's latina, unless we misunderstood whose ass he wants to look at
[20:42:03] iamlindoro__: I think he knows exactly what he means, I just went with it ;)
[20:42:04] |Torg|: hey were all smart asses you know
[20:42:07] sphery: Anduin: Cool. Any thoughts on trailer.pl ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/339265#339265 )? IMHO, it should be removed and--if anyone misses it--they can go through the trouble of getting Apple's permission.
[20:42:16] mkrufky: hehe gotcha
[20:42:46] mkrufky: i guess thats just like when i agreed to your comment about Helo
[20:42:56] |Torg|: besaids its one of the few spanish words I know :P
[20:42:56] mkrufky: lol
[20:42:56] sphery: Oh, BTW, all, I apologize for being on another screen so I couldn't let you know that I was joking about TV Guide--as mkrufky said, "mythweb totally obsoleted tv guide for me"
[20:43:04] iamlindoro__: mkrufky: exactly :)
[20:43:21] ** xris never used it. **
[20:43:24] xris: yahoo tv, maybe. heh
[20:43:33] justinh: sphery: about time something was done about that 'plugin'. pisses me off to see people refer to that hack as a plugin (my own shoddy code attempts notwithstanding)
[20:43:50] sphery: Anduin: And, it sounds like some people are working on scripts to use the Apple XML trailer feed (though I haven't seen any ToS for that). http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/339240#339240
[20:44:16] mkrufky: sarcasm doesnt always work on irc
[20:44:18] |Torg|: can we go back to the MBE memory leak maybe :)
[20:44:18] sphery: justinh: Is the XML feed one on the wiki yours?
[20:44:23] Dagmar: Well, if it's an RSS feed it's pretty muhc meant to be pulled
[20:44:34] Anduin: sphery: I think just now is the first time I've noticed that trailer.pl exists, had me very paranoid I checked something in and entirely forgot about it.
[20:44:40] justinh: sphery: there's some nasty php thing which creates menu xml files containing links to downloaded trailers
[20:44:41] Dagmar: I don't think you much have to worry about any ToS if you display all the data that comes with each item
[20:45:05] Dagmar: "No wait! You have to watch our ads in order to watch our ads! That's how our revenue stream works!"
[20:45:07] |Torg|: Anduin: thats why I hang out here, there are parts of mythtv I never even knew existed
[20:45:20] justinh: sphery: nah all I've been responsible for script-wise are 1. uk tv icon downloaderer 2. dvbradioexport.pl & I think the ipodexport.pl
[20:45:50] sphery: justinh: that's the one on the wiki--that's updated by the guy in the post I linked ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/339240#339240 ). I didn't think it was yours, but you did say, "my own shoddy code attempts notwithstanding." :)
[20:45:50] |Torg|: http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pNa . . . e/htpc-cases is there a make hardware cheaper plugin :)
[20:45:52] justinh: and the hackish bugfest formerly known as mythappearance :p
[20:46:25] justinh: I meant I have little right to comment on other people's code, bearing in mind how shoddy my own efforts are
[20:46:38] Anduin: sphery: but yes, I ripped amazon.com support out for ToS, if we can't work something out then I'm in favor of removing it. I like IMDB support but if I can't get permission it won't be there in the next release, now trailer.pl will make that list.
[20:46:41] justinh: but the apple trailer thing just yelled EEEEEEEEEEW at me
[20:47:22] sphery: yeah, I think it's broken (which might actually help us in a court of law :)
[20:48:41] Anduin: stupid trespass to chattels, it shouldn't apply if you make no attempt to stop it
[20:48:43] sphery: justinh: I wouldn't consider your MythAppearance code a hackish bugfest, though.
[20:48:52] justinh: aside from that, constructing menu files on the fly sounded like harder work than learning to write proper code
[20:49:40] justinh: after playing in mythfrontend sorting out some space for recordings I think I need to try & push ahead with some menu change ideas I had
[20:50:33] justinh: easy enough to code but probably a bitch to work out the specifics & even more of a pain to get people on-side to approve the changes
[20:50:42] sphery: justinh: Yeah. If we do use the XML-based trailer script, it will need to be made into a proper plugin (or integrated into MythVideo).
[20:51:00] sphery: Not to mention converted to C rather than PHP.
[20:51:20] justinh: been a while since I attached that patch to that ticket, and it ain't gonna be going anywhere fast
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[20:52:26] andy_: hello
[20:52:33] justinh: least it wasn't closed out of hand, that's something :)
[20:52:46] jams: always thought it was amusing that appletrailer thing was in php
[20:52:56] sphery: Anduin: You're innocent. Seems JDS committed trailer.pl before you inherited MythVideo. (And, of course, unless proven otherwise, I'm sure the ToS were different 3 years ago.) http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/5778
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[20:53:35] andy_: i've been having trouble with the fglrx driver and Myth. XV YV12 thru mplayer works, although with Myth i can not get past the 'watch tv' button. i am using the opengl painter instead of qt painter, which got me to the menu.
[20:54:02] justinh: xv works? calooo callay!
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[20:54:18] justinh: try playing with tv playback profiles in that case :)
[20:54:34] andy_: justinh, oh yeah? how would i go about that?
[20:54:40] justinh: though the basic default _should_ work, even slowly on systems crippled by ATI
[20:54:43] iamlindoro__: $5 on "TV card not set up correctly, check the backend log"
[20:54:53] andy_: see i can watch tv with the radeonhd driver though
[20:54:56] andy_: it's just too slow
[20:54:58] sphery: andy_: You'd be better off changing the playback profile group from the default (CPU++) to Slim.
[20:55:09] justinh: CPU++ is the default?
[20:55:10] justinh: !
[20:55:16] sphery: justinh: Yeah, Slim should be.
[20:55:17] iamlindoro__: justinh: MOAR!!
[20:55:30] sphery: Perhaps I'll mention it to danielk in the other channel.
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[20:55:48] andy_: ok what will changing it to Slim do?
[20:56:09] justinh: it'll change lots of things to do with playback, potentially
[20:56:22] justinh: rendering method, deinterlacer.. yada yada
[20:57:29] andy_: where do i change the profile gropu?
[20:57:40] sphery: andy_: Slim is basically the same as 0.20's "non-hardware-accelerated" (no XvMC/no PVR-350) playback.
[20:57:50] iamlindoro__: Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings-?Playback, page three
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[20:58:03] sphery: mythfrontend settings under ... wow, iamlindoro__ is fast
[20:58:19] iamlindoro__: Heh
[20:58:49] andy_: if i try that, it freezes like 'watch tv'
[20:58:59] andy_: it won't let me advance past the menu containing 'playback'
[20:59:04] justinh: what?
[20:59:09] justinh: shouldn't do
[20:59:11] sphery: iamlindoro__: Sometimes I wonder if you have irssi scripts to give you/send the settings locations
[20:59:17] justinh: something is more borked than you know, then
[20:59:23] iamlindoro__: sphery: no, but would be neat
[20:59:28] iamlindoro__: and convenient
[20:59:41] justinh: send em in the form out a trout :)
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[21:00:04] andy_: 2008-07–03 16:59:36.575 Using ARB NPOT texture extension
[21:00:09] andy_: this is the last message i see before i have to kill it
[21:00:11] iamlindoro__: !trout andy_ UtilitiesSetupSetupTVSettingsPlaybackPageThree
[21:00:11] ** MythLogBot slaps andy_ with a UtilitiesSetupSetupTVSettingsPlaybackPageThree trout on behalf of iamlindoro__... **
[21:00:17] iamlindoro__: like so?
[21:00:21] andy_: :O
[21:00:31] justinh: ARB NPOT ?
[21:00:43] andy_: yup
[21:00:51] justinh: ati users should get their own channel IMHO
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[21:01:11] justinh: twinned with #pvr350-support
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[21:01:36] andy_: well, the radeonhd driver works great with myth, except that after i do watchtv the video is slow. any way to fix that?
[21:01:48] justinh: playback profiles :)
[21:01:52] andy_: ya true let me try it, brb
[21:01:57] iamlindoro__: rewrite it to support proper acceleration
[21:02:05] andy_: i have to reboot because radeonhd doesnt like being loaded after fglrx :\
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[21:02:12] ** sphery thinks that means "Architectural Review Board Non-Powers-Of-Two" **
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[21:02:19] EnderTheThird: Hmmm, I can't seem to get analog sound to be sent through spdif. I did it with an asoundrc file before, but it's not working this time. I'm using ALSA and not Pulseaudio anymore (at least I think I am)
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[21:02:42] EnderTheThird: that's all selected via preferences > sound in Ubuntu, right? I selected ALSA for everything there
[21:02:52] justinh: it's a 2-sided coin rally. it's ATI's fault for not doing xv support for so long & it's mythtv's fault for not being hip like mplayer & supporting every last leet renderer known to geeks
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[21:02:56] iamlindoro__: EnderTheThird: I am even now going to experiment with VMWare and see what the AnyDVD HD status is in it as of today, maybe things have changed
[21:03:22] justinh: muhhh, but mplayer worx0r5! :(
[21:03:32] sphery: EnderTheThird: doesn't Ubuntu install the ALSA pulse driver? (I think they explicitly remove that for you in MythBuntu, but I'm just guessing here.)
[21:03:35] EnderTheThird: iamlindoro__:awesome. let me know how it goes. I've alwayys used VirtualBox, FWIW if you want to try that one too
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[21:04:27] EnderTheThird: sphery: no idea.
[21:04:52] EnderTheThird: kinda funny how i basically don't even need linux sound to do anything except send crap to my receiver via optical, but i can't do that, lol
[21:04:53] javatexan: anyone running windows under a VM...what are you using?
[21:05:21] ** dustybin hax00rz justinh mythweb **
[21:05:23] EnderTheThird: javatexan: I use virtualbox. But it's just for Office 2007 so I can't say I use it for very much.
[21:06:01] javatexan: okay...i see virtualbox, qemu, and some others. I have no idea how they compare
[21:06:01] justinh: dustybin: I tried ableton again. dunno exactly what changed but it rocks! so, I'm shopping for a laptop & fancy audio interface/controller
[21:06:26] sphery: EnderTheThird: you can tell in alsamixer. See http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/321349#321349
[21:07:12] sphery: Wow. Our threads are being upgraded by one. From pthreads to QThreads...  :)
[21:07:34] dustybin: justinh: i got a NI Audio Kontrol 1, its a pretty much industry standard device for laptop DJs
[21:07:44] dustybin: it even works in linux
[21:07:45] GreyFoxx: spher: yeah, yay :)
[21:08:13] EnderTheThird: sphery: thanks. we'll see if i can make sense of it, heh
[21:08:25] justinh: dustybin: never heard of it. will have a look. already tempted by the load of Behringer controllers, esp. the one with built-in dual audio interface
[21:08:40] sphery: GreyFoxx: do I remember correctly that you recently fixed an issue where Myth stopped playing recordings a couple seconds early?
[21:08:47] dustybin: justinh: read as many reviews as you can
[21:09:04] justinh: dustybin: I have already. seems to be exactly what I'm looking for
[21:09:11] dustybin: aye ok
[21:09:20] GreyFoxx: spher:Something one where we were starting playback a couple seconds in pre 0.21
[21:09:29] GreyFoxx: might have caused us to exit early as well
[21:09:31] sphery: GreyFoxx: I could look it up, but I'm hoping you may remember off the top of your head. I'm using an old rev, so I'm not saying it didn't work--just wondering if it's worth my time to upgrade my production boxes.
[21:09:31] dustybin: my NI audio kontrol 1 works with traktor and ableton and just about anything else
[21:09:54] justinh: jees that Kontrol-1 thing looks like a nightmare to use. I'm after something to stop me needing to use the keyboard & mouse
[21:10:04] GreyFoxx: spher: I don
[21:10:05] sphery: GreyFoxx: Thanks. That's a good starting point. I'll probably update to latest -fixes and see if it helps.
[21:10:09] GreyFoxx: t rememer specifically :) hehe
[21:10:17] GreyFoxx: just the bit abnout starting a few seconds in :)
[21:10:30] sphery: that's probably what I was half remembering.
[21:10:37] justinh: dustybin: anyway, any midi-capable controller works with ableton ;)
[21:10:45] dustybin: aye true
[21:10:51] EnderTheThird: sphery: I'm an idiot. I think I was missing an option in my audio setup in Gnome. I think I have it working now. audio scared the crap outta me when it came on though, haha
[21:10:52] justinh: and any foo can map controls to midi stuff
[21:10:55] GreyFoxx: once the TV() thread gets converted to a QThread making the mythtvos stuff work again should be trivial ;)
[21:11:03] dustybin: justinh: for laptops, id personally go for os x
[21:11:12] justinh: dustybin: I don't have the budget
[21:11:22] dustybin: hmmm
[21:11:30] EvilGuru: iamlindoro__: Since you are the residential HD-PVR expert do you know if it is still the case that a Windows box is needed to upload the firmware initially
[21:11:31] justinh: ableton runs great on my crap desktop machine, so a C2D lappy will be grand
[21:11:37] dustybin: ok
[21:11:42] sphery: EnderTheThird: great--I've been there before, too.  :)
[21:11:53] dustybin: justinh: are there any linux based mp3 mixers?
[21:11:56] justinh: 2GB ram & it should even work well on that other OS
[21:11:57] iamlindoro__: EvilGuru: not having a rev 2 unit, I don't know for sure, but my understanding is they may come preloaded now
[21:12:04] EnderTheThird: sphery: after deleting all my recordings. wow, today has not been my freaking day, haha
[21:12:08] justinh: dustybin: none with the awesome show-stopping power of ableton :)
[21:12:11] iamlindoro__: EvilGuru: If it's a rev 1 unit you will need to, though
[21:12:14] dustybin: aye ok
[21:12:22] sphery: EnderTheThird: how did that happen? slip of the rm -rf?
[21:12:27] dustybin: justinh: win xp it is then
[21:12:34] justinh: I've tried like hell to make ableton fail & it just won't
[21:12:43] EvilGuru: I presume that a windows boot will also be required if/when they updae the firmware, unless the driver gets firmware upload support before then
[21:12:54] justinh: I'd be taking CDs along anyway y'know, cos of sod's law
[21:13:03] iamlindoro__: EvilGuru: yeah, although AFAIK Janne intends to implement it
[21:13:08] dustybin: justinh: it wont be ableton what will fail, it will be your OS :P
[21:13:35] EnderTheThird: sphery: I reinstalled and had it mount my recordings drive at /var/lib/mythtv upon setup. but because of the reinstall, it rewrote all system dir's and killed everything in my recordings folder to boot
[21:13:52] justinh: I don't have much bad luck with my windows machines at home, until we have visitors who take it upon themselves to install stuff
[21:14:12] sphery: Wow. At least it's the summer, so you may have lost fewer "important" shows.
[21:14:20] myosotiss: I bought a laptop with vista installed... it makes me cry sometimes
[21:14:21] directhex: BAH! sodding punctured tyre! only just got in!
[21:14:31] dustybin: i bought a IBM netvista on ebay, PIII 733mhz, 128megs ram, 10gig hard drive, going to install LFS onto it for a crash course in how linux works, its a lovely little box, i paid 8.99 for it on ebay
[21:14:34] abqjp: sphery: *you* would have lost three seasons worth. So would I ;-)
[21:15:00] EnderTheThird: sphery: well i still had some Lost episodes and the House finale i hadn't seen yet, but oh well. Hulu here i come i guess
[21:15:00] myosotiss: lfs is a lot of fun
[21:15:05] EnderTheThird: not HD, but i'll live
[21:15:13] dustybin: the futures bright, the futures: lfslivecd-x86_64–6.3-r2160.iso
[21:15:13] sphery: abqjp: Yeah, but since I haven't started watching them, yet, I'd take it as a sign from the universe that I should spend my time on something else.
[21:15:14] EvilGuru: EnderTheThird: House finale is crap
[21:15:24] ** dustybin burns **
[21:15:36] sphery: myosotiss: lfs meaning Linux From Scratch?
[21:15:47] myosotiss: ya
[21:15:55] justinh: lfs have a livecd now? roflmao
[21:16:09] myosotiss: are there any livecd's with mythtv on them?
[21:16:14] justinh: how can it be from scratch if there's a live cd?
[21:16:15] EnderTheThird: Oh, and I lost all of Terminator: SCC. but seeing as i never got around to watching any before, i probably never would have. Would have been nice to see Summer Glau kick some butt though
[21:16:20] dustybin: justinh: its just the base, nothing else
[21:16:23] GreyFoxx: my: Knoppymyth I think
[21:16:30] justinh: myosotiss: only frontends. knoppmyth, mythdora, mythbuntu
[21:16:31] dustybin: justinh: it saves you using another distro to grab the bits you need
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[21:16:45] iamlindoro__: EnderTheThird: It was fun! Worth getting back if you get bored
[21:17:05] EnderTheThird: iamlindoro__: really? i'll be damned, haha
[21:17:29] dustybin: some guy i chat to on another channel made his own personal system using lfs
[21:17:29] sphery: myosotiss: IMHO, the worst possible "distro" to use. (Though I'm guilty of using a bad distro choice, too. I used LFS in 1999, and now build my own distro in a similar manner, but it's not LFS, anymore. Regardless, it's still a very bad way of doing Myth.)
[21:17:32] dustybin: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/lfs/coRD.png
[21:18:03] dustybin: sphery: interesting
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[21:18:06] myosotiss: I understand that... but I enjoy a good challenge
[21:18:33] dustybin: lfs is for education more than anything else
[21:18:37] sphery: EnderTheThird: yeah, you might want to find some way to catch up on T: SCC. It was one of the few good shows to come on this season.
[21:18:41] sphery: dustybin: exactly!\
[21:18:44] myosotiss: most open source progs have matured substantially in the last few years
[21:19:12] myosotiss: to the point where compiling them is fairly trivial
[21:19:30] justinh: dustybin: http://www.htfr.com/more-info/MR170519
[21:19:31] EnderTheThird: sphery: it wasn't picked up though, was it?
[21:19:44] EnderTheThird: not that that would be an indication of its worth, but i'm curious
[21:19:55] iamlindoro__: yes, second season coming
[21:20:11] sphery: myosotiss: but, with LFS or LFS-like approaches, you take on the responsibilities usually shouldered by a whole team of packagers.
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[21:20:22] EnderTheThird: crap. guess i will need to catch up. hopefully they'll bring it out on BD and i can rent it or something
[21:20:38] EnderTheThird: flash video kinda sucks for that stuff. it's great for Daily Show and Colbert though
[21:20:39] sphery: so, IMHO, LFS-like systems are good for academic purposes, but are a waste of time elsewhere.
[21:20:43] myosotiss: yeah... docbook alone almost made me download a professional distro
[21:20:55] dustybin: justinh: that is certainly much more hands on than mine
[21:21:03] dustybin: behringer arent a too bad make either
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[21:21:14] myosotiss: I don't understand what you mean by a "waste of time" elsewhere.
[21:21:17] dustybin: my advice is to read as many reviews on it as possible then go for the plunge
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[21:22:00] sphery: EnderTheThird: thanks to Myth--and, assuming you don't delete your shows next season ;)--you can just record all of Season 2's episodes, wait for the DVD/BD-ROM's to be released, then watch season 1 and catch up on season 2 after.  :)
[21:22:08] xtknight: i got the video to show with the fglrx driver, but it looks split and garbled. mplayer's XV output does work OK. i am using the Slim profile. does anyone know what is wrong?
[21:23:13] EnderTheThird: sphery: that's the plan.
[21:25:09] GreyFoxx: xt: Check the deinterlacer, see if it's set to bob2x
[21:25:14] GreyFoxx: if it is, change it to something else
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[21:26:29] justinh: dustybin:all the reviews rate it very highly – none say it gives total controll over everything but it'll suit my needs – plus too many toys make for bad dj :p
[21:27:25] dustybin: aye go for it!!!
[21:27:41] dustybin: dam i downloaded the 64bit version of LFS live cd
[21:27:49] xtknight: GreyFoxx, unfortunately the video looks the same garbled in the Options as well. i didn't see anything in mythfrontend.log that would indicate a problem though
[21:28:13] xtknight: most menu items look fine, but a few (consistently the same few) just make my screen garbled. i am thinking it's entering some kind of different mode when i go to the Playback property tabs?
[21:28:38] xtknight: (i have disabled compiz)
[21:29:03] xtknight: after the screen garbles, the program is still responsive and i can back out to the previous menu, and my screen is fine again
[21:29:14] xtknight: (by pressing esc)
[21:29:27] myosotiss: have you checked your xorg log?
[21:29:58] ** sutula wonders if that's a qt problem...has seen it remember trash before **
[21:30:50] EnderTheThird: iamlindoro__: still trying AnyDVD HD w/ a VM?
[21:30:53] xtknight: ya well i used the opengl painter and that clears up the menu for me
[21:30:57] xtknight: i mean, the top level menu
[21:31:13] xtknight: but with the qt everything is garbled. just like that. and the splash screen is still garbled with the opengl renderer
[21:31:13] GreyFoxx: xt: Try downgrading your driver
[21:31:29] GreyFoxx: you are not the first to report that kind of total garbaled menus with the latest
[21:31:32] xtknight: here is my xorg.log http://pastebin.com/m2a9f8dd3 and dmesg http://pastebin.com/m51bcc992
[21:31:33] xtknight: ok
[21:31:39] GreyFoxx: but with older make sure you dont use bob2x :)
[21:31:49] xtknight: alright
[21:31:51] iamlindoro__: EnderTheThird: It's going to be tonight before I have any results (or maybe tomorrow), I just installed via console, still need to set up a VM and try AnyDVD plus any hacking to make it work
[21:32:40] EnderTheThird: Just curious. I'm working on getting Ubuntu to work with UDF 2.5
[21:32:44] directhex: GreyFoxx, is xtknight using fglrx 8.6?
[21:32:48] xtknight: i am
[21:32:56] directhex: xtknight, guess how i knew
[21:33:00] xtknight: :)
[21:33:11] iamlindoro__: EnderTheThird: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=694613
[21:33:27] myosotiss: 8.50.3
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[21:33:41] xtknight: ya
[21:33:49] xtknight: that corresponds to the ATI CCC 8.6 i d/l
[21:33:51] xtknight: that driver version
[21:34:22] xtknight: hmm should i get cat 8.4 or 8.5? when did that bug start happening?
[21:34:32] EnderTheThird: Yeah, I saw it on the Myth wiki.
[21:34:42] EnderTheThird: Prob need to restart for it?
[21:34:50] iamlindoro__: EnderTheThird: rmmod and modprobe should work fine
[21:35:16] directhex: xtknight, it happened somewhere between 8.3 and 8.6. can't say more than that
[21:35:30] myosotiss: for an xorg driver? all you need is to restart xorg
[21:35:42] xtknight: na they were talking bout cd drivers or something
[21:36:06] xtknight: i will try 8.3–8.5 and report back then
[21:36:09] EnderTheThird: iamlindoro__: strange. invalid format for the file i found there
[21:36:36] iamlindoro__: EnderTheThird: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=718744 works fine in Hardy for me
[21:36:46] iamlindoro__: running 2.6.24.-19
[21:36:51] iamlindoro__: er 2.6.24–19
[21:37:40] EnderTheThird: Same here. file I downloaded first had just the udf.ko though. That 2nd one is the source, heh
[21:37:48] iamlindoro__: make the source yourself
[21:37:57] iamlindoro__: don't trust anyone's precompiled mess
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[21:39:29] EnderTheThird: workin on it now
[21:39:40] EnderTheThird: this gyration keyboard is terrible.
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[21:40:47] iamlindoro__: Will probably try w/ my HD-DVD drive since it's external before going hog-wild and moving the Blu-ray drive in
[21:42:24] EnderTheThird: You got USB working in VMWare already?>
[21:42:37] iamlindoro__: EnderTheThird: Like I said, I am at work, will have to wait for tonight
[21:42:57] EnderTheThird: Oh yeah.
[21:43:32] GreyFoxx: The usbpass through into vms is handy
[21:44:34] Gumby: Hi all, I'm trying to transcode a playlist and each item is getting "autodetect" for its transcode type. Ive set the default to low. Is there something I am missing? My recordings are starting out as ~1.6GB and ending up as ~3.1GB. Kinda the opposite ofwhat I want
[21:45:27] EnderTheThird: WOOO, Got DumpHD to see the movie now!
[21:47:17] iamlindoro__: I will go home and mess around shortly, though, hopefully can get something interesting happening before the ladytype comes over tonight
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[21:48:13] EnderTheThird: Heh. I'm at home and working on this crap instead of stuff for work.
[21:48:59] iamlindoro__: I expect I can make it work, there's been very few people trying, most of the AnyDVD users are probably not linux users, so I think only a few people have tried in a VM
[21:49:33] iamlindoro__: And since I already own a key I might as well try it for Myth user's sake
[21:50:43] iamlindoro__: If it *does* work, it's really the best solution, AnyDVD HD works *well*
[21:50:43] iamlindoro__: Have yet to be unable to rip a disk in in, Blu-ray, HD-DVD or otherwise
[21:50:43] EnderTheThird: It costs some coin though doesn't it?
[21:50:43] bsdfox: Gumby: what build? I know there was an issue where the quality was doubled on accident
[21:50:46] iamlindoro__: I am still an advocate of picking up the Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive for $20 and buying all the cheap HD-DVDs you can to rip them into mythvideo
[21:50:51] iamlindoro__: EnderTheThird: yes, $70 or so IIRC
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[21:51:32] Gumby: bsdfox: good question... I forget..
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[21:51:35] ** Gumby checks **
[21:51:49] xtknight: well cat 8.5s work much better. some channels still get totally corrupted. i'm not sure why
[21:52:05] Gumby: bsdfox: fixes16338
[21:52:24] EnderTheThird: iamlindoro__: i just got a dual BD/HDDVD drive. If I get this to work well, I'll definitely grab some HD DVDs for $10
[21:52:27] xtknight: one time it said it "had trouble displaying video", or something like that, and just quit. but i didnt see any additional information in frontend.log
[21:52:58] iamlindoro__: EnderTheThird: even cheaper some places
[21:53:17] iamlindoro__: EnderTheThird: http://hddvdboxsets.com/
[21:53:36] EnderTheThird: I essentially have 2 players for each. 360, ps3, and the combo drive
[21:53:40] atrus: is there reasonable progress towards playing these things under linux without using many gigabytes of hd space?
[21:53:53] iamlindoro__: atrus: no, need to be ripped, nothing has changed
[21:53:58] atrus: aw.
[21:54:32] EnderTheThird: $5! ridiculous
[21:54:33] iamlindoro__: EnderTheThird: At that site: Serenity is $7, Apollo 13 $7, Bourne Identity $6, etc.
[21:55:00] EnderTheThird: i have mixed feelings about grabbing HDDVD's in case my players get hosed, but at that price who cares
[21:55:16] iamlindoro__: EnderTheThird: You can buy Xbox 360 players for $20, stock up!
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[21:55:36] iamlindoro__: In fact, I think I'm gonna buy a few more now
[21:55:43] iamlindoro__: since I just put them in MythVideo anyway
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[21:55:58] iamlindoro__: $49 is the cheapest you'll ever get Planet earth in 1080p  :)
[21:56:15] EnderTheThird: Heh
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[21:56:42] EnderTheThird: is that imdb script in svn still not working cause of imdb farting around?
[21:57:06] iamlindoro__: EnderTheThird: Trunks version of imdb.pl worked for me as of a few days ago
[21:58:48] EnderTheThird: thanks. might need to grab that.
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[22:03:05] EnderTheThird: do i need to do something separate for AACS stuff for these discs?
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[22:20:10] iamlindoro: EnderTheThird: DumpHD *is* removing the AACS
[22:20:24] iamlindoro: It just can't do BD+, and can only do AACS for the ones in the keydb
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[22:22:13] EnderTheThird: it shows me everything on the disc, but "dump" is still grayed out
[22:22:28] EnderTheThird: is keydb.cfg for BD or HDDVD or both?
[22:22:36] iamlindoro: both
[22:22:48] iamlindoro: But you need to have an entry for your specific disk in it
[22:24:01] EnderTheThird: I see my movie listed in the file, but dumphd still says it's not there. wonder if it's loading the db in the first place
[22:24:29] iamlindoro: Don't know. Everything I know about DumpHD I wrote in the wiki, only confirmed it was possible and went back to AnyDVD HD
[22:24:57] iamlindoro: FWIW I am installing Windows in the VM right now to test USB Passthrough w/ AnyDVD HD
[22:25:31] EnderTheThird: Yeah. Maybe my time would be better spent installing a VM now, heh
[22:26:08] iamlindoro: let me get it tested and I'll let you know, no point putting out the effort for a question mark
[22:27:16] EnderTheThird: what movie did you test it using when doing the wiki?
[22:27:43] iamlindoro: 300
[22:28:36] iamlindoro: FWIW I just re-tested the UDF module on a new machine, The Departed is working fine so far
[22:28:50] EvilGuru: Apparently the HD-PVR will be available in mid-July over here in the UK
[22:29:17] EnderTheThird: that doom9 thread had the keydb.cfg posted at the top..... do i need to modify that each time or anything?
[22:29:26] EnderTheThird: because i'm using movies on the list and still no luck
[22:29:40] iamlindoro: EnderTheThird: That one was only valid up to the moment that guy posted, you will need to find your film in the thread and add to it-- this is why it sucks
[22:29:50] EnderTheThird: ouch
[22:29:57] iamlindoro: You sure it's the exact same version of the disk? There are multiple version of all of them
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[22:31:30] EnderTheThird: we'll find out
[22:32:05] EnderTheThird: It's not recognizing HDDs at all though.
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[22:35:39] adamorjames: TheMaverick`!
[22:35:45] TheMaverick`: Does anyone recommend a place to look, for learning about tuner cards? I cannot seem to understand what card I need/want... as well as what brands to look for.
[22:35:51] TheMaverick`: adamorjames!
[22:36:07] iamlindoro: TheMaverick`: The linuxtv.org wikis are the best place to learn and compar
[22:36:09] iamlindoro: compare
[22:36:14] iamlindoro: at least as far as linux support goes
[22:36:18] TheMaverick`: tyvm iamlindoro
[22:36:24] iamlindoro: the mythtv wiki also has lots of information as it relates to mythtv
[22:36:59] iamlindoro: TheMaverick`: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_HDTV
[22:37:18] iamlindoro: If you intend to tune digitally, even if you don't want to watch HD material, the stuff on that page is the information you *really* need to know
[22:37:22] TheMaverick`: iamlindoro: I'm just so lost when it comes to analog/digital, HD, system requirements, etc.
[22:37:36] TheMaverick`: wow... dude you read my mind lol
[22:37:39] iamlindoro: That page above will teach you everything except for the analog portion of it
[22:37:59] iamlindoro: because most places it says "HDTV" it really just means "Digital TV"
[22:38:13] TheMaverick`: mmm ok
[22:38:41] TheMaverick`: and if i choose a digital tuner, will it be backwards compatible with analog? or is that totally dependant on the card?
[22:39:13] iamlindoro: Depends on the card, but in most cases the analog portion of the digital tuner is what we call a "framegrabber," which is the worst type of analog card
[22:39:29] TheMaverick`: :(
[22:39:41] iamlindoro: Exceptions are the Hauppauge HVR-1600 and HVR-1800, which have hardware encoders for the analog side, and good digital tuners as well
[22:39:53] iamlindoro: both are supported in linux
[22:40:22] TheMaverick`: only reason i ask is because there is digital at my parents house, and analog at my apartment
[22:40:42] iamlindoro: If you have digital cable in the US, something like the HVR-1800 is a good choice because you can get all the digital channels that are unencrypted, and a nice analog hardware encoder for the first hundred or so analog channels
[22:41:00] iamlindoro: Read that page, though, that will run down the options
[22:41:08] TheMaverick`: ok
[22:41:49] TheMaverick`: if i have any problems that I can't solve with the pages you suggested, I'll just cry in here :P
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[22:42:00] iamlindoro: Most do ;)
[22:42:04] TheMaverick`: lol
[22:42:31] TheMaverick`: a lot of what i'm having to worry about is system specs
[22:42:35] justinh: you laugh like it isn't actually true
[22:42:47] armbar: hmm, when two shows are schedualed to record at the same time, does a program with a 99 for priority get recorded or a priority of 1?
[22:42:50] iamlindoro: TheMaverick`: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HD_Playback_Reports
[22:42:50] dude: http://pastebin.com/m1ed87262
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[22:43:05] iamlindoro: That page shows some systems and various HD material they were able to play back
[22:43:06] dude: all myth windows are just blank, on a pvr-350 via X-driver
[22:43:17] dude: I tried using -O painter=qt too
[22:43:30] dude: er ThemePainter = qt
[22:43:36] TheMaverick`: ty iamlindoro
[22:43:55] TheMaverick`: I'll go read some and see if I can make some snese of it :)
[22:44:18] EnderTheThird: iamlindoro: where does dumphd look for keydb.cfg? it's not finding it even though it's in the working directory
[22:44:25] iamlindoro: EnderTheThird: Installing AnyDVD HD now, hopefully some info soon
[22:44:56] iamlindoro: EnderTheThird: It's been a while since I played with it, IIRC it's suppost so be in the .jar file's directory
[22:45:35] EnderTheThird: I'll just cross my fingers and wait for you, haha
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[22:46:20] Dagmar: dude: Hey, here's a hint for you. The 350 has exactly zero GL support. So, think about what you just told it to do.
[22:47:58] TheMaverick`: ^that may have been a little mean :\
[22:48:01] dude: Dagmar ? telling it to use the QT theme painter instead of the opengl one is wrong?
[22:48:16] iamlindoro: EnderTheThird: Holy shit.... I think it's working
[22:48:42] EnderTheThird: iamlindoro: holy shit. maybe you can get rid of that windows box soon then, haha
[22:48:59] iamlindoro: EnderTheThird: Yep, works for HD-DVD!
[22:49:06] iamlindoro: Slow as all get out, but it's working
[22:49:25] iamlindoro: Then again, it's slow under windows
[22:49:27] EnderTheThird: heh, what's the estimated time compared to native?
[22:49:56] iamlindoro: It's showing four hours right now, but there have been times where it took a few hours under windows
[22:50:07] iamlindoro: and that number is creeping down
[22:50:29] iamlindoro: Even if it takes three or four hours, it's not like I can't do other things
[22:50:30] ** dude doesn't get what dagmar is stating. There's Themepainter=opengl, and themepainter=qt. I told it to use qt. Does that still use opengl somehow? **
[22:50:40] Dagmar: dude: I'll jump ahead to the next lily pad... Test your Xorg config..
[22:51:14] iamlindoro: EnderTheThird: Yeah, don't to two hours now, it's roughly reached native speed
[22:51:18] dude: Dagmar : X works, I can even use mplayer via xv output
[22:51:23] EnderTheThird: iamlindoro: awesome
[22:51:29] iamlindoro: EnderTheThird: I'll pop the BD-RW in and test with that in a second
[22:51:46] EnderTheThird: Guess I'll need to store my VMs on my media server now instead.
[22:52:32] iamlindoro: EnderTheThird: I'm thinking I'll mount my Mythvideo Samba share in the VM and rip straight to that location, since at the slow speed network will hardly be the issue
[22:52:44] EnderTheThird: same here
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[22:53:08] EnderTheThird: but for the life of me my samba shares won't show up on here. gotta check my .conf from before i reinstalled
[22:53:51] dude: Dagmar : even the mythtv-setup windows are blank, with blue borders
[22:54:58] iamlindoro: Ahhh, this will be better than suffering through putting that machine together every time I want to rip a BD
[22:55:16] dude: Dagmar : it's like it's drawing to the wrong xv port or whatever, it's weird
[22:55:44] adamorjames: justdave fixed
[22:55:48] adamorjames: sry
[22:57:08] Dagmar: dude: Try it *without* mmyth
[22:58:28] dude: Dagmar: ?
[22:59:14] dude: Dagmar: if you're suggesting I try xv without myth, I've already done that via mplayer.
[22:59:35] dude: Dagmar : as I stated above, I might add.
[23:01:25] EnderTheThird: oh wow. smb wasn't working because i forgot to add and enable me as a user
[23:01:26] EnderTheThird: dammit
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[23:05:01] iamlindoro: EnderTheThird: Spinning up with BD-RW now
[23:05:55] Dagmar: I am not talking about mplayer.
[23:06:04] Dagmar: I'm talking about TEXT. Things like xterm and Firefox.
[23:06:20] EnderTheThird: iamlindoro: oooh oooh, the excitement!  :)
[23:06:25] Dagmar: If you *don't have text* in myth, then you should be testing text rendering outside of Myth
[23:06:49] Dagmar: I also said not a thing about xv. I rather explicitly said xorg
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[23:10:20] dude: I also said I have X working, ffs dagmar try at least to follow along a little bit. If I state myth isn't working, I state I tried to make sure it wasn't using opengl by specifying the qt painter, if I tell you I've tested XV by using mplayer, clearly I'm smart enough to test text. You're barely even paying attention here
[23:10:51] dude: I don't know who pissed in your cornflakes, but from my end it seems like you're just waiting to fight with someone
[23:11:11] dustybin: now this is bloody cool, ideal installing on your backend
[23:11:13] dustybin: http://phpsysinfo.sourceforge.net/
[23:12:07] dude: bah, this channel has been fairly non-useful for this particular bug, but at least others have been polite. I've no reason to hang around for more dagmar crap, later guys.
[23:12:10] iamlindoro: EnderTheThird: Yep, BD and HD-DVD, from separate drives, working perfectly in VMWare Server 1.0.6... and it was free :)
[23:12:10] dude: c
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[23:12:37] Dagmar: Whiny whint whint
[23:12:53] iamlindoro: dustybin: You can get all that info and put it in mythweb with a miscellaneous status script
[23:13:00] EnderTheThird: iamlindoro: niiiice. hope VirtualBox works too.
[23:13:00] iamlindoro: saves you installing another tool
[23:13:09] dustybin: aye ok
[23:13:31] iamlindoro: Though it is a cool looking tool
[23:13:33] Dagmar: He can respond lagged, but I gotta scroll up 20 minutes or I'm an asshole? Weak
[23:13:40] EnderTheThird: this doesn't look right: "using B () out of 279 GB (279 GB free)." on mythweb
[23:14:11] clever: EnderTheThird: i made my own php script for disk space sumary
[23:14:37] clever: -0.2hours can be recorded
[23:14:45] clever: im clearly overflowing:P
[23:14:57] EnderTheThird: nevermind. i think it was just because of 0 recordings.
[23:15:23] clever: that would do it
[23:15:24] clever: add up nothing and you get nothing
[23:15:28] clever: needs a +0
[23:16:00] EnderTheThird: yeah, looked like it was displaying a function or some such at first, with the B()
[23:16:27] iamlindoro: Dagmar: Meh, it's particularly complainy in here-- no good deed going unpunished and all that
[23:16:38] iamlindoro: that is to say, this week it seems to be
[23:17:11] iamlindoro: Guess it's time to update the ol' blu-ray page on the wiki
[23:17:40] GreyFoxx: Does anydvd hd work under XP ?
[23:17:44] EnderTheThird: with special shout out to EnderTheThird for suggesting it  :-P
[23:18:06] GreyFoxx: I just assumed iamli: was using a VM for it all this time :)
[23:18:22] Dagmar: iamlindoro: He's a farking moron. I just managed to scroll up and see his pastebin while I was trying to figure out where he said _text specifically_ was functioning properly
[23:18:47] iamlindoro: GreyFoxx: Yes, works in XP under in VMWare-- had been using a spare headless XP machine all this time
[23:18:50] EnderTheThird: iamlindoro: i'll let you know if i get the same goodies in VirtualBox
[23:19:07] EnderTheThird: Can't imagine why I wouldn't, but the more info the merrier
[23:19:21] iamlindoro: Dagmar: I only help until I start to get resistance, then give up and become childish ;)
[23:19:21] GreyFoxx: ok. I use usb passthrough on vmware so I was sure it work would. I just wouldnt want to be stuck with vista if I could avoid it :)
[23:19:53] Dagmar: So he *didn't* actually already say he'd done the tests he was complaining I ignored him saying he did
[23:20:04] iamlindoro: GreyFoxx: yeah, didn't even need USB passthrough, just set the CDROM1 to be /dev/scd0 which was the HD-DVD drive
[23:20:16] Dagmar: iamlindoro: I'm just going to start telling people like that if they're going to be little pricks, they should not come back
[23:20:25] Dagmar: There's way too much abuse of helpers going on in here lately
[23:20:38] GreyFoxx: iam: Cool
[23:20:50] GreyFoxx: iam: I might pick up anydvdhd then
[23:21:22] iamlindoro: GreyFoxx: Probably the most worthwhile actual software purchase I've made in a long time
[23:21:27] Dagmar: iamlindoro: What I really don't appreciate is that some of htem are going to other channels and continuing to trash talk the people in here they were just dicks to
[23:21:48] iamlindoro: Dagmar: Don't feel lonely, I got that earlier
[23:21:49] iamlindoro: :)
[23:22:00] Dagmar: I ain't puttin' up with it anymore
[23:22:35] EnderTheThird: Hey, he should just be happy everyone wasn't afk while he was here. That's been the case quite a few times when I've done screwed up something for myself, haha
[23:22:48] Dagmar: I was definitely not looking to start a fight with that dude, I was prodding him in a direction he'd hopefully figure out what was wrong
[23:23:15] Dagmar: EnderTheThird: For some reason, that never seems to occur to those people
[23:23:29] Dagmar: At 2AM CST they should be damn glad anyone's even paying attention
[23:23:32] GreyFoxx: I tried to help him with his blue video issue last night :)
[23:23:51] Dagmar: greyfoxx: Dude?
[23:24:05] GreyFoxx: and when I asked him to check bnoth myth and mplayer to see what colour space was being used he just said something like "I don't need to check mplayer, it works fine!" so I just stopped talking to him :)
[23:24:08] GreyFoxx: dag: yeah
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[23:24:16] Dagmar: Either his myth binary is fried or his qt is judging from his output
[23:24:24] asmussen: Or he is...
[23:24:34] GreyFoxx: he was having blueshifted video issues which were not present with mplayer
[23:24:35] Dagmar: BadPicture error messages don't "just happen"
[23:24:47] GreyFoxx: but refused to check the colourspace being used... *shrug*
[23:25:24] GreyFoxx: If someone wants my help, and wont perform simple checks for me I wont bother
[23:25:32] GreyFoxx: I don't get paid for this shit :)
[23:27:03] Dagmar: Yeah, see, that I don't get
[23:27:19] Dagmar: Why the hell people think they can jerk helpers around when they're not paying them a cent
[23:27:38] Dagmar: I wouldn't put up with some of these people for my itsec consult rate with the "I don't like you modifier"
[23:27:48] EnderTheThird: anyone remember how to get virtualbox to mount a shared folder under a windows vm?
[23:27:50] Dagmar: ...but thankfully those people are few and far between
[23:27:58] EnderTheThird: googling now, but i figured i'd give someone a chance to show off heh
[23:28:24] tgm4883_laptop: EnderTheThird, it's in the manual
[23:28:34] tgm4883_laptop: you have to do it from windows terminal
[23:28:39] tgm4883_laptop: thats all i remember
[23:28:40] EnderTheThird: nvm, found it
[23:28:41] GreyFoxx: dag: Yeah
[23:28:55] GreyFoxx: we fired a customer the other day who was being an ass
[23:29:35] GreyFoxx: I had the head sales guy call and tell him that he should take his business elsewhere because he was a support nightmare and I wouldn't let any of my crew deal with him anymore, let alone deal with him myself
[23:30:05] GreyFoxx: and at least he paid us :)
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[23:38:17] EnderTheThird: iamlindoro: it's telling me there isn't enough space, haha
[23:38:32] EnderTheThird: something weird with the samba mount and VM i think
[23:39:46] iamlindoro: EnderTheThird: What is telling you that?
[23:40:06] iamlindoro: I don't know anything about VirtualBox, so I dunno
[23:40:56] EnderTheThird: anydvd
[23:41:10] iamlindoro: Might have to rip it into the VM and copy it, then
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[23:45:07] iamlindoro: EnderTheThird: Is it ripping, at least?
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[23:45:21] iamlindoro: Because if it even *mounts* then it's already defeated the protection
[23:46:12] EnderTheThird: hold on a sec. grandma's tech support right now haha
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[23:48:39] EnderTheThird: i def don't have enough space on the vm for that. i'll need to expand the virtual hdd
[23:49:25] iamlindoro: EnderTheThird: Did it mount the disk?
[23:49:36] iamlindoro: If so, then it works
[23:50:19] EnderTheThird: yeah, it allowed me to start, then whined about the disk space
[23:50:36] iamlindoro: in that case it will work once you get the disk space sorted out. Nice :)
[23:50:40] EnderTheThird: let me try again, mounting the share directly instead of having it as a sym link
[23:51:57] iamlindoro: soon you will be introduced to the really hard part, patching the crap out of mplyaer to actually play them, and figuring out the individual command lines that work for each. That part *sucks*
[23:53:37] EnderTheThird: got it. i think it was having the script files go to a place too small that killed me
[23:54:08] EnderTheThird: or did i....
[23:54:23] EnderTheThird: haha, there's no error message, but it's not showing any MB/s
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[23:54:38] EnderTheThird: whew.... there it goes
[23:54:48] iamlindoro: nice
[23:55:02] EnderTheThird: ungodly slow, but it's going
[23:55:25] EnderTheThird: so.... about mplayer, heh
[23:55:31] EnderTheThird: where can i go for that info?
[23:55:35] EnderTheThird: on the wiki?
[23:55:45] iamlindoro: the myth one
[23:56:51] iamlindoro: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/High_Def . . . Disk_Formats
[23:57:59] EnderTheThird: got ya
[23:58:40] EnderTheThird: at least after this thing rips i can use my desktop. this tv (even though it's 65") is a nightmare for this crap
[23:59:34] EnderTheThird: you know of any work being done to simplify playback after ripping these?
[23:59:53] EnderTheThird: oh, and if passthrough on the audio via optical is doable?

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