Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, July 2nd, 2008, 00:03 UTC

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black_Nightmare_:

but either way.. full mpeg4 decoding assistance on eg a PII/400 probably could be nice (whether its a htpc or just a typical stubbornly long-living pc with a dvdrom/etc drive in it)

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black_Nightmare_:

who really knows tho (especially on mythtv side too)

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black_Nightmare_:

:)

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black_Nightmare_:

gbee and greyfoxx curious question tho: perhaps any suggestion on a ir remote made for computer+tv hybrid useage?

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black_Nightmare_:

hm guess not

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iamlindoro:

black_Nightmare_: You can pretty much use any remote you like for the computer side-- Your best bet would be something with a "Cable" "TV" and "Aux" mode, like the Motorola STB remotes... then you could have lirc learn the "Aux" codeset, and use Cable for the STB, and TV for your TV if you wanted

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iamlindoro:

most universal remotes have a similar set of buttons to switch codesets

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black_Nightmare_:

hmm ok thanks

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black_Nightmare_:

if I find a nice a/v store or so in downtown I'll have to try check out re remotes

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black_Nightmare_:

iamlindoro I kinda hate many single individual remotes but then I don't like these silly generic $5 all-in-one remotes (mainly from being bulky and sometimes not so well labelled at all) neither .. you know ^-^

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iamlindoro:

black_Nightmare_: if you *really* want to go fancy you could buy a harmony

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black_Nightmare_:

heh $170cad — I'll pass ^_^

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black_Nightmare_:

either way .. I sometimes wonder why free air tv (or whatever its called in different places) has to be $$$ just to get started with compared to just $-$$ in antenna masts .. I guess what do I really know tho

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black_Nightmare_:

either way I'm going so bye ;)

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CatPasswd:

Anyone here play with the win32 port?

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greenmoss:

hey all; is there some way to easily delete multiple recordings at once?

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iamlindoro:

greenmoss: press "/" on each one, then d

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greenmoss:

oh, cool! let met try it... thx

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iamlindoro:

np

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greenmoss:

hmm... I can make multiple ones turn yellow, but it still wants to delete one by one... is there a key I have to press to delete "all selected"?

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greenmoss:

I tried "d", but it only deletes the first one

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phunyguy:

im back.

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spud1:

its quiet out there, too quiet.

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spud1:

Slippy! Get back here!

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phunyguy:

roar!

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hadees:

iamlindoro, so apparently xfs and jfs both have fairly small (given todays disk size) size limits of like 2 terabytes

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hadees:

extended jfs would work but isn't recommend for a system that doesn't have a 64 bit proc

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hadees:

so best as I can tell ext3 with a block-size of 4kb is the best i can get

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hadees:

that can handle up to 8tb

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hadees:

i just wish i could find someone who knows more about this

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hadees:

going through this effort and loosing my data would not be fun

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clever:

make it 1tb storage groups?

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hadees:

clever, this is for mythvideo not mythtv

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clever:

ah

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clever:

what i do

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clever:

i have all my mythvideo stuff at /media/videos/

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clever:

and under that is the mountpoint for every drive&nfs

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clever:

repeat the same idea:P

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hadees:

clever, i could do that but then i have hard limits on each category

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clever:

i have catagorys under each

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clever:

for example /media/videos/*/foo/

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clever:

then i just manualy shuffle the overflow between the drives

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clever:

to balance the usage

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hadees:

clever, yeah but then you have to remember which one has which and it gets confusing

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

which is what i use locate for:P

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hadees:

lol i wish it would work from my remote

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clever:

and i try to group it in seq so i dont have to go far once i find the chunk

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hadees:

ext3 is supposed to handle up to 8tb if you use a blocksize of 4kb

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clever:

i have nearly 500gig total between all my systems

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hadees:

i have an old raid array of 2 terabytes which i was going to repurpose for mythtv but i think i'm going to hold off for a while and see how the new array works,

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hadees:

that way at least i don't loose all my data if things go south

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hadees:

ext3 is pretty stable though i guess

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clever:

all my crap is on an lvm array

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hadees:

i have hardware raid 5

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clever:

and at several points i inflated it into a usb drive or a nbd device

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clever:

mainly to shuffle the data from drive->drive

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clever:

01 23:09:07 < clever`rev> Total: 553.42GB Used: 515.24GB Free: 30.42GB

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clever:

a script i made parsed the output of df

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hadees:

clever, it may eventually come to that but i really just want one big filesystem on a raid array

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clever:

yeah that would be better

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clever:

right now i have everything at

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clever:

Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

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clever:

/dev/mapper/mainvg-mainlv

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clever:

389G 384G 5.1G 99% /media/mainlv

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hadees:

i can't believe that in a day when terabyte drives exist the state of filesystem seems behind

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clever:

and every other drive just handles the overflow then i get realy tight on space

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clever:

then->when

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hadees:

268435456 inodes

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clever:

Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on

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clever:

/dev/mapper/mainvg-mainlv

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clever:

51655968 506885 51149083 1% /media/mainlv

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hadees:

i left the inode setting alone because i was worried about running out

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clever:

mainlv holds all recordings

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clever:

mythtv source&bin

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hadees:

but i am using large files

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clever:

and build

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clever:

and the entire root for my netbooting systems

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hadees:

i wonder if i should just change it to large files

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clever:

506k files&folders

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clever:

!

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cesman:

yianni: you're welcome

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Joemama_:

the pvr-150 i got works great, but i bought it used

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Joemama_:

and it didnt come with a remote

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phunyguy:

same here

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Joemama_:

im looking for a cheap remote i can use

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phunyguy:

but mine is in the mail

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Joemama_:

you think http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.9877 would work with mythtv ?

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phunyguy:

not remote, but PVR-150

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Joemama_:

right

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Joemama_:

think that remote would work ?

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phunyguy:

is there a config for it?

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phunyguy:

:)

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Joemama_:

dont think so

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Joemama_:

appearently it acts like a keyboard

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phunyguy:

well there is your answer

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Joemama_:

so i think it would work

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phunyguy:

hmmm

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Joemama_:

just have to configure the keys in mythtv

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phunyguy:

is it IR?

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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Joemama_:

yes

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phunyguy:

hmmm

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GreyFoxx:

jo: Personally Id go for the MCE remote. It works well, and is dead simple to configure

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GreyFoxx:

took me 5 minutes total including compiling lirc

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Joemama_:

cheap too?

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phunyguy:

si that the PVR one?>

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phunyguy:

is*

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phunyguy:

i was thinkin of gettin one of those

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GreyFoxx:

joe: I've seen them for around $25-$35

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GreyFoxx:

Has an IR blaster too I believe but I don't use it

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Joemama_:

ill check it out

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote

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GreyFoxx:

I have the 3rd one from the left

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GreyFoxx:

The install was disgustingly simple :P)

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Joemama_:

hrmm

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Joemama_:

not coming accross a good deal on one

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GreyFoxx:

I don't kn ow what you consider a "good deal" :)

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Joemama_:

i guess for that, ~$20 would be okay

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|Torg|:

disgutingly simple? made you sick to your stomach?

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GreyFoxx:

torg: Practically :)

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GreyFoxx:

joemamm: If you are in the US , pcalchemy.com has them for $29

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squish102:

ive given up on cheap remotes, gonna try get a harmony 550 working with mythtv

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|Torg|:

squish102: why not use a keyboard then?

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GreyFoxx:

cheapest I ever had was a homemade receiver with $10 a radioshack parts

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GreyFoxx:

and using spare remotes from around the house

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GreyFoxx:

but the MCE one is a lot less effort :)

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Joemama_:

hrmm yes

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Joemama_:

i thinik i have a IR reciever from an ancient packard bell computer

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|Torg|:

$10 boy did you get ripped off, I think the most I paid was for the 9 pin serial housing

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squish102:

|Torg| i do have a wireless keyboard, but it is a pain to lug the keyboard everywhere, and the distance it picks up is very short

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GreyFoxx:

Im getting an N800 or N810 soon, just battling with myself over how much I'm willing to let my mom spend on my BDay gift :)

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GreyFoxx:

I'll put some touchscreen interface to the telnet controls on it

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Joemama_:

http://www.amazon.com/Premium-Ultimate-Remote . . . 9&sr=8-4

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Joemama_:

that remote looks kinda cool

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squish102:

so i picked up the harmony for $50 and i have 3 usb ir receivers... i will try get it working within a week

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|Torg|:

my gyration keyboard works on 2.4Ghz and goes about 30 meters, even though the back wall (well big window) to the pool and hottub

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GreyFoxx:

I use my gyration as my desktop keyboard heh

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|Torg|:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . n-_-23172006

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squish102:

im on a holy grail to only have ONE remote

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|Torg|:

I have one, itsh 880 wife uses it

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|Torg|:

only problem is my TV is slow, so it takes aiming it for about 2 mins to fully change over everyhitng, she usualy puts it on the footrest

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GreyFoxx:

squi: I use to have just one. It was sweet, then the thing died. IT was majorly abused over the years :/

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squish102:

GreyFoxx did u have it working with mythtv?

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nvc:

hi, i'm having an issue with FreeType, i've installed all i can find in the package manager but when i './configure' mythTV it gives me a freetype not installed error

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nvc:

any ideas?

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GreyFoxx:

squi: Yeah

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Anduin:

nvc: You probably just need freetype-devel (or close to that)

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GreyFoxx:

a OneboxMC

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GreyFoxx:

later called Niveus

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GreyFoxx:

Learning IR remote + RF mode for talking to the PC

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GreyFoxx:

I hacked up a kernel driver to treat it like a keyboard

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GreyFoxx:

so no lirc involved

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squish102:

oh great :P

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GreyFoxx:

It's sitting in a drawer now

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GreyFoxx:

:/

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|Torg|:

the gyraton was really hard to set up, I had to plug in the USB reciver and boot the box

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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squish102:

slightly off topic, but does any1 know anything like orb.com for mythtv?

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|Torg|:

no lirc needed

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|Torg|:

hell no OS neede either, workin in plain BIOS too :)

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|Torg|:

squish102: mythweb?

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jpabq_hs:

I need to add a special zoom mode just to get ESPN's @#$ @#$%, @#*&$%# BOTTOM LINE off of the screen.

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squish102:

i was gonna try set it up to stream to my cellphone

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nvc:

Anduin; thanks :)

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nvc:

You must have the Lame MP3 encoding library installed

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nvc:

what's with that, i installed it already?

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nvc:

is there a specific version it needs?

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Anduin:

nvc: Why avoid packaged versions?

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Anduin:

(it could be the same issue lame != lame-devel)

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dmz:

hey y'all, my local cable company changed their channel linup, what's the best way to get mythfildatabase to update w/new channel listing (assuming the new channels are ready to be downloaded)?

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nvc:

i'm slowly figuring this out, it seems :P

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nvc:

i'm fairly n00b

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nvc:

i'm sorry for dumb questions

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Anduin:

nvc: You will not get a significantly better version of MythTV compiling it yourself, if you don't have a good reason to use a package, well, try it first

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Anduin:

er to not use

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dmz:

and i am using schedulesdirect

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nvc:

Anduin: i see what you meant now, i didn't realise mythtv was in the package manager

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nvc:

i just installed mythtv via the package manager

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nvc:

but when i run it now, it asks for database info

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nvc:

anyone care to explain what i should use in there?

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nvc:

the default info in there didn't work

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nvc:

seriously this is annoying me to no end

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nvc:

i can't work out how to connect mythbuntu to the back end

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nvc:

i set my passwords in the install

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nvc:

username and passwords

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nvc:

rather

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nvc:

and they don't work

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nvc:

is there some way i can resolve this?

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cesman:

is mysql on the backend configured to allow network connects?

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nvc:

i have no idea how to even use mysql

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cesman:

in order to connect a remote frontend or a slave backend to a master backend, mysql must be configure to allow network access

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cesman:

in addition the IP addies in mythtv-setup must be setup appropriate (ie the IP of the master backend)

[05:18:31]

cesman:

you'll need to edit /etc/mysql/my.conf

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cesman:

comment or delete the line that starts w/ "bind-address"

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cesman:

the restart mysql

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cesman:

from the frontend mysql -h ip.of.the.backend -u mythtv -p

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cesman:

you'll be prompted for the password

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cesman:

configure the backend as I started above and that should be that

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cesman:

I guess he didn't need anymore help

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nvc:

ok so i reset my mysql database and the test at the start of mythbuntu says it works fine and then it launches into a blue window

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nvc:

where it asks me for the same info

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nvc:

i put it in

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nvc:

and it doesn't work

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nvc:

any help?

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cesman:

[22:25] <nvc> where it asks me for the same info

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cesman:

nvc: what info?

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nvc:

hostname, port, database name, user, password

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cesman:

nvc: I don't use Mythbuntu, however the steps should be the same no matter the distro

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cesman:

location of my.conf may differ

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cesman:

nvc: is this a standalone system?

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nvc:

yes

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cesman:

ahhh, I thought you were trying to add a remote frontend

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cesman:

should matter the info I gave you should do no harm

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cesman:

shouldn't

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cesman:

shouldn't matter the info I gave you should do no harm

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cesman:

nvc: have you referred to the Mythbuntu docs?

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nvc:

nope

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nvc:

i can't get mythtv nor mythbuntu working

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nvc:

it's really annoying me

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Aneesh:

can anyone help with pulseaudio?

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Aneesh:

I installed on openSUSE a week ago and pulseaudio support wasn't there, so I got no sound...but the packman repositories have been updated since then. is pulseaudio support there now?

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cesman:

Aneesh: #opensuse?

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Aneesh:

its mythtv specific tho

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Aneesh:

i meant mythtv got no sound

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Aneesh:

no output through pulseaudio

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Aneesh:

is there anyway to get mythtv to output sound through pulseaudio?

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cesman:

as far as I'm aware, there is no direct support for pulse audio in MythTV

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Aneesh:

really?

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Aneesh:

there's a patch, and i read that it was committed in .21...I would I compile with the patch?

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Aneesh:

*how would I compile with the patch

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Aneesh:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3598

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Aneesh:

thats the bug ticket with the patch

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cesman:

get the source, apply the patch and compile

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Aneesh:

how exactly would I apply the patch?

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Aneesh:

I'm kind of new with compiling i guess

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Aneesh:

i'd need the dependencies and all, ./configure, and make

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Aneesh:

but i don't know how to compile with the patch

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Aneesh:

and there are supposed to be a bunch of packages for MythTV right? would I be compiling all that stuff too, or would I just be compiling one part of MythTV and installing the rest of the packages precompiled

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cesman:

based on trac, it looks like it is 0.21

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Aneesh:

or would I in fact just download the source from here:

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Aneesh:

?

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Aneesh:

the fix was committed in .21?

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cesman:

I've not used Pulse Audio, so I cannot help w/ 'no sound and pulse audio'

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Aneesh:

ic kk

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Aneesh:

i'll give installing it from the repository a shot then, since it looks like the openSUSE 11.0 packages were just updated a few hours ago

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Aneesh:

and pulseaudio support would be necessary for it to work anyways

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Aneesh:

thx

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wagnerrp:

has anyone here used mythbuntu?

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wagnerrp:

ive got a friend who used my mythtv system a year or so ago

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wagnerrp:

and he wants to set one up

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wagnerrp:

but has never used linux, and isnt that good with windows

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** cesman would recommend KnoppMyth **

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cesman:

but, I'm bias ;)

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wagnerrp:

im not interested in having to troubleshoot his system daily

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cesman:

wagnerrp: was that meant for me?

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wagnerrp:

just a statement in general

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wagnerrp:

i was wondering if the state of any of those systems were at such a point as to be installable by newbies

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cesman:

KnoppMyth can go from bare system to live tv in under 30 minutes

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cesman:

auto install does everything and it walks you thru configuration

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wagnerrp:

so it might take him a week to get it working... :)

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cesman:

only if he rode the short bus to school ;)

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cesman:

if he has nvidia video, the drivers appropriate drivers are automatically installed

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wagnerrp:

well his friends dragged him kicking and screaming through undergraduate aerospace engineering

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wagnerrp:

so being near the bottom of the class means hes still probably well above average

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cesman:

an aerospace engineer that doesn't know Unix?!

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wagnerrp:

yeah... well... he move on to an MBA, hes a traitor

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wagnerrp:

:P

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, the closest we got to the command line in undergrad was Matlab

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webvictim:

has anyone had much experience of setting up a persistent udev rule with a hauppage wintv nova-t 500's IR remote sensor?

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webvictim:

i've read the information on the wiki about it, but i can't seem to get it to create a symlink for me

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justinh:

udev rules... scary wary

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EvilGuru:

I did have a cute little python script to do the dirty work

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justinh:

rich, somebody thinking snakes are cute :P

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EvilGuru:

Guess you've never had a snake have a crush on you

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justinh:

errm.. nope

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webvictim:

i have actually been thinking about writing some other kind of script to do the work, too ;)

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webvictim:

udev seems to be "The Right Thing To Do (tm)" but it's just not working here

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waxhead_:

hey everyone...

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waxhead_:

what's the delete command for lirrc?

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justinh:

muhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I want miffyteeveees to record proper ts files so I can share all my recordings wif friends! WAH! MAKE IT HAPPEN NOWZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <<< fucking lame forum user

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Dibblah:

Errr... It does record TS?

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black_Nightmare_:

was just browsing some of the local ad lists as usual and came across this: http://www.usedottawa.com/classified-ad/5954489 .. is this someone in here? hehe :p

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Dibblah:

It used to transcode on the fly to bad PS, but that code was removed some time ago.

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EvilGuru:

justdave: Serious about that forum post/

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kslater:

|Torg| ping

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EvilGuru:

Is there any way to set the priority of tuner? As I want my PVR-150 to be used as a last-resort

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EvilGuru:

(I have 3 Freeview tuners)

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justinh:

tuner priority is set up in mythtv-setup IIRC

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justinh:

select your pvr card & decrease its priority setting. tada!

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justinh:

stop mythbackend beforehand & afterwards of course

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PatrickDK:

why would you stop mythbackend afterwards :)

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sid3windr:

=)

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justinh:

*restart it afterwards

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justinh:

fucking hell I thought I was a pedant

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EvilGuru:

justinh: Serves me right for looking at 1am last night

[13:13:03]

justinh:

I lowered the priority of my pvr150 so much it wound up on ebay :)

[13:13:14]

justinh:

and I got more than I originally paid for it :)

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sid3windr:

lol

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black_Nightmare_:

justinh very funny :p

[13:16:34]

EvilGuru:

I mainly use it nowadays for converting video tapes over

[13:18:03]

** black_Nightmare_ still wants some more firewire fun :/ (if it wasn't $$$ go figure) **

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** justinh wants to be banned from a certain mythtv talk forum **

[13:18:31]

justinh:

been trying for ages

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EvilGuru:

justinh: Got any warnings?

[13:19:42]

justinh:

nope

[13:20:27]

justinh:

might just stop visiting instead. save anybody making any actual effort

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jams:

heh forgot about that forum, have not been there is months

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EvilGuru:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/ — here by any chance?

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justinh:

hmm our shitty wiki is down again. no work will be done. amen

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black_Nightmare_:

heh

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justinh:

we have a subversion server, and yet only developers are allowed to use it – so they say they'll put pre-release stuff on the wiki. great! apart from when it doesn't work, and when somebody decides to hide a new checkout in an active directory we have no access to \O/

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directhex:

is reporting peoples' employers to the BSA for piracy because they annoy you bad form?

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justinh:

nope

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EvilGuru:

directhex: Depends on a) If the BSA will reward you for turning them in; b) If you still want to work for your employer

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EvilGuru:

But morally, it is fine

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justinh:

it's called 'being a conscientious citizen'

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directhex:

EvilGuru, yes, and THEIR employer (not mine)

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EvilGuru:

In which case, go straight ahead

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directhex:

EvilGuru, posting on a forum to say "i work for a college, we use this app, and it's not teh piraatz u idiot" is silly when 1) we track IPs, and 2) the cd in question is a pirate app compilation disc

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justinh:

public institute? you do realise who'll be paying the fine then.. US

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directhex:

yankland!

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directhex:

and it seems to be a private medical institution for fast-tracking doctors

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justinh:

ahh. totally fine, then

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sid3windr:

so it is teh piraatz!

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directhex:

Partition Magic Pro 8.05

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directhex:

Acronis Disk Director Suite 9.0.554

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directhex:

Paragon Partition Manager 7.0.1274

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directhex:

Partition Commander 9.01

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directhex:

the list goes on]

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directhex:

sounds 100% legit to me!

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EvilGuru:

directhex: Where are the crackz

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PatrickDK:

I like paragon stuff, they make good software

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EvilGuru:

fdisk to the day I day

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EvilGuru:

*die

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justinh:

but does it make t0p w@r3z?

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Lynet:

I'm sure someone could do a sed s// on gparted and hawk it off as teh c00l w@rez d00d!

[14:15:59]

PatrickDK:

it already is

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Lynet:

Doesn't surprise me at all.

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Lynet:

What I don't get, though, is the thought process that must happen in the people that would rather get a w@rez version than download the real thing from somewhere like sourceforge.

[14:19:10]

justinh:

maybe sourceforge was down at the time :)

[14:19:20]

justinh:

I have no patience for that kind of crap

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justinh:

ooo look, 2kb/sec again!

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Lynet:

Probably some knee-jerk need to feel that they are stickin' it to da man.

[14:20:03]

justinh:

nah. it's all 'free' software

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directhex:

plenty of people sell "free software warez"

[14:22:55]

directhex:

rebadged OSS apps with the license missing

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EvilGuru:

Ebay!

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justinh:

plenty people selling mythbuntu & knoppmyth on ebay too

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GreyFoxx:

AAAArrrrrggghhhhh Do I get the N800 or the N810.... I just cant decide

[14:23:40]

justinh:

presumably nobody thinks mythdora worthy

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EvilGuru:

GreyFoxx: N810

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justinh:

which one has more jewel encrusted side panels? get that one

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EvilGuru:

Keyboard makes it worth it (and micro-SD memory is fairly priced nowadays)

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GreyFoxx:

My mom will buy the N800 for my bday, but I feel guilty getting her to buy the N810.... so I'd have to offer to chip in on my own BDay gift ;)

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sid3windr:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

Evil: MicroSD only? I know rthe N800 has 2 SD slots

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EvilGuru:

GreyFoxx: N810 is one MiniSD (but MicroSD cards come in larger capacities than mini)

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EvilGuru:

You do get 2GiB 'built-in'

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GreyFoxx:

Micro and Mini, largest I've seen is 8 for both

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EvilGuru:

Sure I saw 12 somewhere

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GreyFoxx:

The 800 takes regular SD , which is up to 32

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Lynet:

microsd 12 is supposed to be right around the corner, afaik.

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GreyFoxx:

that's quite a downside for me

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GreyFoxx:

I wanted the storage space

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justinh:

and you can put microsd into an adapter & use it in an SD slot :)

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nwidger:

hello, is there any way to update the mythmusic database without having to use the frontend (i.e., from the commandline)?

[14:29:39]

GreyFoxx:

nw: No

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justinh:

nwidger: nope

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EvilGuru:

MicroSD is the way forward (they all come with adapters)

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GreyFoxx:

Maybe something in mythweb, but nothing commandline

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nwidger:

justinh: damn :(

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nwidger:

i dont see anything in mythweb

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justinh:

damn, quit whining & get on with it :)

[14:30:16]

** EvilGuru waits for someone to ask if they can watch TV without a screen/monitor **

[14:30:47]

justinh:

yeah I'm still waiting for a headless mythfrontend app

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nwidger:

EvilGuru: i dont think that's a big request, why the sarcasm?

[14:31:12]

justinh:

nwidger: because he can, that's why :)

[14:31:23]

EvilGuru:

nwidger: It is logical (your request), however, stick around for a week or two and you'll see

[14:31:24]

nwidger:

i added music yesterday and didnt get around to rescanning, now im at work and want to listen to it but i cant :P

[14:31:38]

nwidger:

im sure you get lots of dumb requests

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justinh:

nwidger: so? not our fault

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justinh:

oh fuck, I forgot to copy my new music to HDD :(

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nwidger:

well obviously

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EvilGuru:

nwidger: See if you can VNC in

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justinh:

is there any way I can automagically rip the CDs to HDD without being there?

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sid3windr:

if you have a cd juggling monkey? ;)

[14:33:00]

justinh:

no, I meant just by teh commandz line

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justinh:

nwidger: if you can ssh, you can freenx, anyway :)

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GreyFoxx:

nwid: VNC is your friend. I'd use that to do it

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justinh:

freenx >>>> vnc. freenx is almost like being there

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Lynet:

ssh -X, I say..

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directhex:

urgh

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directhex:

not for myth

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GreyFoxx:

X forwarding is horribly slow

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GreyFoxx:

unless you are on the local lan

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nwidger:

justinh: well im trying to use X forwarding

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justinh:

freenx is really quick

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nwidger:

justinh: im switching my painter to qt to see if that'll work

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nwidger:

opengl wasnt

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justinh:

way less laggy than vnc, easily less laggy than plain forwarded X

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justinh:

never use the opengl painter myself so I wouldn't know

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nwidger:

ill have to try that later

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justinh:

wouldn't think it'd work with x fwding or vnc

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nwidger:

ive seen it work before

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justinh:

maybe it'd kinda work but never update

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nwidger:

is freenx hard to set up?

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justinh:

depends

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justinh:

compared to lirc, it's piss-easy

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nwidger:

hah

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nwidger:

isnt everything

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justinh:

search for "$distro freenx" on google :)

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justinh:

some clients are picky about which server versions they work with

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nwidger:

www.justfuckinggoogleit.com

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justinh:

I had to find older clients on www.oldversions.com or something similar

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nwidger:

ah

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justinh:

clients, for the windows machine I have to use at work

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justinh:

small price to pay for low-latency high quality remote desking

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nwidger:

ya

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justinh:

windows open faster over freenx via my home broadband than they do on the actual machine I run the client on :)

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nwidger:

yikes

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justinh:

slow P4 machine with 256MB & XP

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justinh:

anyway, even over a modest home broadband connection it's easy to forget which machine you're looking at, so be careful with stuff not safe for work ;-)

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harrisony:

does anyone have some links to say on the wiki about myth boxes that people have made and what they think of them and all, i might be making a few or selling some and would like to see what other people have done first

[14:43:52]

justinh:

you might be making a few OR selling some?

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justinh:

I don't think anybody in the business of selling mythtv hardware will ever be rich, FWIW

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justinh:

even if you sell X+Y hardware there's always some numbnuts who won't be able to get it worky

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iamlindoro_:

s/be rich/break even/

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justinh:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Commercial_MythTV_System

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Lynet:

With the right business model I don't see why it shouldn't work. Won't make you Bill Gates-rich though.

[14:48:45]

justinh:

and the overriding comment heard about a lot of ready-made mythtv sellers is this "HEY WHERE THE HELL IS MY ORDER?"

[14:50:13]

justinh:

that, next to "OMFG NOT BANKRUPTCY AGAIN"

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EvilGuru:

I am not convinced it will ever take off big time

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justinh:

at linuxworld a while back we got loads of greedy company types coming over, seeing it all & their eyes LIT UP. when they were told about the practicalities they lost interest very quickly

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|Torg|:

practicalities, how is myth not pratical?

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justinh:

oh, you mean DVD playback isn't free?!

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justinh:

you mean you have to PAY for mpeg playback?!

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justinh:

Duh YEAH if you don't wanna be sued, asshole

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justinh:

mp3 isn't free either?? JESUS!

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justinh:

that kind of stuff :)

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justinh:

I doubt licencing per unit would impact potential profits much, but I assume it was the legal dealings that'd put people off

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justinh:

and I certainly wouldn't want to deal with tech support for it

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justinh:

I bet that really eats into budgets

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justinh:

best course of action is to take sets of hardware known to work well & sell them. but then any old cock can look up your list & buy cheaper elsewhere

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|Torg|:

justinh: that list of hardware alreay exists, and people like pcalchemy sell it, it does not get allot of market penetation however

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justinh:

figures!

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justinh:

the only people making money out of DVR tech are the folks selling appliances, and mythtv ain't no appliance

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justinh:

maybe if you restricted the range of hardware it worked with & hacked a lot of complex functionality out of it.. maybe then

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|Torg|:

probbly be easier to create a ahcked down kernel, and distribute the whole thing as application code

[15:04:24]

justinh:

but turning it into an appliance would do away with all of its advantages of course.

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Dibblah:

+ provided free guide data + hired a support team + ...

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|Torg|:

then you would have a list of "approved" hardware

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GreyFoxx:

torg: Allowing the user to pick hardware and install the harware themselves makes it way too troubnle prone

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justinh:

the whole reason I got my money back on that standalone freeview DVR 'best in market' (BULLSHIT!) was because it was so lame

[15:05:28]

GreyFoxx:

If you pick the hardware and assemble then it's not so bad

[15:06:34]

justinh:

it's still early days for DVRs yet. people are just starting to wake up

[15:06:54]

justinh:

I know myth has been around for what – like nearly 6 years.. but all the same...

[15:07:12]

Dibblah:

Then, when everything's back safely DRMed, they'll go back to sleep in front of the boob tube again.

[15:07:33]

zoomzoom:

and now some cable companies are starting to limit channels on cablecards, requiring new 2-way protocols to display them that the cablecards dont support. i lost 11 hd channels over the last few weeks because it

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Dibblah:

Safe in the knowledge they're watching "the best thing that's on"

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justinh:

Dibblah: we had a good innings!

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zoomzoom:

so even the mainstream tech like cablecards and tivos that use them arent up to par

[15:08:26]

justinh:

Dibblah: and by then, if I really still want to watch whatever they put in front of me I'll just go to the cinema anyway

[15:08:58]

Dibblah:

Yay for Cinemas! The last bastion of free choice!

[15:09:01]

Dibblah:

Oh, wait.

[15:09:13]

justinh:

my optimism for the future of TV has disappeared :)

[15:09:58]

GreyFoxx:

All the constantly locking down of stuff does is encourage drm violations and "hacking"

[15:10:09]

EvilGuru:

Does DVB-T2 specify any kind of encryption/nastiness

[15:10:18]

justinh:

EvilGuru: oh hell yeah

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justinh:

broadcast flag ++++++++++++++

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GreyFoxx:

When your choices are A: Nothing, B: hack something and use as you wish, or C: watch what you are told when you are told

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GreyFoxx:

What do you think people will pick ? :)

[15:10:48]

GreyFoxx:

Like Sat signals

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: what are the hacking options currently? unreliable, horrible junk

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EvilGuru:

justinh: Ouch.

[15:11:20]

GreyFoxx:

Yes you get cheap bastards going for free stuff, but you get mainy who pay for service but have no control so the have it anyway

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justinh:

EvilGuru: yeah.. of course tuner cards whose drivers don't know about the flags can't obey them ;-)

[15:11:37]

GreyFoxx:

many of those people would switch to a "legal" option if it allowed them re cording freedom

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GreyFoxx:

so basically authorized cams

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GreyFoxx:

I'd switch to Bell Expressvu tomorrow if they would let me use a DVB-s card with a cam of their choice

[15:12:20]

GreyFoxx:

And I'm sure even many people doing the free hacking thing now would

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justinh:

I've never bought the theory that people are hacking AND paying though

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GreyFoxx:

cause it's a hell of a lot less effort AND still usable

[15:12:49]

GreyFoxx:

it's like the diff of schedules direct versus unrealiable webscrapping

[15:13:11]

GreyFoxx:

many would pay the fee if it meant no work

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justinh:

I've found it funny lately how my internet provider has been in the press, railing against file sharing & crap, yet they emailed the other week to tell me they've upgraded their binary newsgroup capacity

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GreyFoxx:

My credit card would be out of my wallet so fast you'd hear the sonic boom

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justinh:

when pay TV offers something worth paying for, I'll consider opting in :)

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justinh:

wonder who all the looney iTunes users are who are paying Â£2 per TV episode rrental

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justinh:

so much for IPTV then :)

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GreyFoxx:

Our local telco here uses IPTV for their tv offering

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GreyFoxx:

little motorola iptv stb's connected to a DSL line :)

[15:16:35]

GreyFoxx:

I've sniffed the traffic and it looks pretty standard

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justinh:

IPTV in the UK is all propriatary shite

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justinh:

it's all the wrong way around. trust the end user, but go to town on people found to distribute copies

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GreyFoxx:

I agree

[15:18:44]

justinh:

but no, cos then they get to control everything, *exactly* how they see fit

[15:19:11]

justinh:

want to butt in with a majorly annoying ad? oh sure, not a thing mr user can do about it. I can see it coming

[15:19:38]

zoomzoom:

that will be the new commercial

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zoomzoom:

just stop the show, insert ad, forced to watch

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zoomzoom:

controlled by the cable company hardware

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GreyFoxx:

I've heard of some places doing that now

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justinh:

yeah but you need to be sitting in the cable co. provided chair, connected to the STB via HDCP negotiated link... at which point restraints keep you in your seat for the duration of said adverts

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GreyFoxx:

the show pauses (no fade out)) and a commercial add pops up ontop filling most, but not the entire screen

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GreyFoxx:

add edds, popup disappears and play unpauses

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justinh:

sensors detect you closing your eyes, so robotic pincers emerge from the back of the chair & reach around to prise your eyes fully open again

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quicksilver:

Hmm. So BBC are trialling DVB-T2 ?

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javatexan:

where is this happening...you said you had heard it somewhere

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justinh:

quicksilver: yeah

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zoomzoom:

at that point i will give up on tv completely and just nntp/torrent/ftp everything

[15:21:51]

javatexan:

lol

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zoomzoom:

myth has made tv bearable for a few years now

[15:22:04]

quicksilver:

who is receiving it?

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quicksilver:

are there DVB-T2 receivers in the wild?

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justinh:

quicksilver: bbc engineers in wooly jumpers

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GreyFoxx:

Java: A guy I know in Europe (Amsterdam?) sent me a video clip of it from a recording

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** quicksilver nods **

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quicksilver:

I feared as much.

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GreyFoxx:

an excoworker of mine

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javatexan:

wow

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justinh:

no dvb-t2 receiver kit exists for end users yet, and ain't likely to for quite a while

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justinh:

can you spell "no, doesn't work in linux yet" ?

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GreyFoxx:

you can still see the "paused" show under the edges of the add :)

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javatexan:

i figured US would do that first....money sucking vultures they are here

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javatexan:

tivo is doing something like that now

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justinh:

they had to do *something* about ad revenues falling!

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justinh:

it was either gonna go totally PPV, or they'd do something like that

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justinh:

personally I'd opt for PPV – but then there isn't much worth paying Â£2 an episode for.. if *anything*

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justinh:

<3 Virgin Media on-demand. they even edit the adverts out from shows on commercial channels! you have to ask how long that's gonna stay free, of course

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javatexan:

thats okay....mythtv can just adjust by taking the signals directly from the network sat feeds...before they get to cable co. They really can't charge for air, can they?

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javatexan:

LOL

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javatexan:

j/k

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zoomzoom:

nope :)

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justinh:

javatexan: no joke – somebody who comes here was trying to do that

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javatexan:

no way...i was making that up

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javatexan:

:)

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javatexan:

that is toooooo crazy

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justinh:

he was buying QAM modulators & crap like that

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justinh:

serious

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javatexan:

wow

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GreyFoxx:

He did it

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GreyFoxx:

uses CBand

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javatexan:

did it work?

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GreyFoxx:

buys the stuff

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GreyFoxx:

and makes his own QAM modulated digital cable feed

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justinh:

he did it?! hahahha

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

he basically has his own headend

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javatexan:

wow...I am surprised that a open source group hasnt bought a old research ter sat equipment and re-purposed it

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justinh:

so buys the c-band feeds wholesale?

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GreyFoxx:

just: yup

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GreyFoxx:

It's actually not bad to buy wholesale

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javatexan:

that is cool

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justinh:

christ on a bike

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|Torg|:

umm are you talking about C-Band stuff like the HBO feeds etc?

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GreyFoxx:

torg: yes

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GreyFoxx:

basically, where your cableco gets it's feeds for most channels

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|Torg|:

old school hacking, mediadefender2 chips or VERY expensive subscription fees

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javatexan:

where would you go to buy that....

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justinh:

so *major* bitrate, everything you want assuming you can get it ...

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javatexan:

cband feeds I mean...sorry

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|Torg|:

and yes GreyFoxx Im area of it, evenidenced by the BUD in my back yard :)

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|Torg|:

aer aware

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justinh:

you go to the distributors who sell it on, of course

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GreyFoxx:

I've considered it myself :)

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javatexan:

found it

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justinh:

even doing it 'cheap' is expensive as hell, hardware-wise though

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx: do you know anyone who sells subs for it, that are not like 10X Ku price and are in HD?

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justinh:

but I'm guessing you could easily get a group together

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GreyFoxx:

torg: Nah I don't, sorry

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx: im not entirely certain thye even exist, I got rid of my C-band year ago

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|Torg|:

I tell some of my friends about the "old days" when C-Band was brodcast in the clear (even the porn channels), they look at me like im tellign them stories about walking to school, in 3 feet of snow, uphill, both ways :P

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iamlindoro__:

The -users list is always good for a morning dose of semi-literacy

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EvilGuru:

"PLEASE I am in great need, if you are willing to help this new person to Buntu email me and I then give the phone number."

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GreyFoxx:

hahahaah

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GreyFoxx:

phone support ?

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iamlindoro__:

And you call *him*

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EvilGuru:

I was waiting for the bit when he claims to be an attractive Russian/Eastern European who is the heir to $100000000

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iamlindoro__:

And of course you have the "Mythbackend leaks memory, no, for reals, believe me and trust me" thread that will not die

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|Torg|:

my backend leaks pixels

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iamlindoro__:

I have heard that HDTV can take 6 GB of memories an hour but my CPU only have space for 8 Gigabits of memory please to tell me how to record more than one hour of TV THANKS

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

I've seen posts like that :)

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iamlindoro__:

hehe

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iamlindoro__:

;)

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|Torg|:

you hold you hand under the connecton for the cable, when we diconnect it you catch the bits. then we wil plug it back in and you can push the bits back into the port

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GreyFoxx:

so, that multiplex I've been happily recording in clear QAM for a couple years is now showing as all channels encrypted

[16:02:13]

GreyFoxx:

the rest of them are still there and normal

[16:02:21]

GreyFoxx:

just this one multiplex has changed

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GreyFoxx:

so I'm calling to ask them why my qam capable television can no longer see them :)

[16:02:46]

GreyFoxx:

Might score a free HDTV stb from it

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iamlindoro__:

Which just proves iamlindoro's law-- All cable companies, when left to their own devices, turn into the Skeksis.

[16:03:04]

iamlindoro__:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeksis

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GreyFoxx:

the other 140 channels/music channels are still there, but the one multiplex I want isn't :/

[16:03:45]

GreyFoxx:

normally when they move stuff around it takes a day or two to be available again

[16:03:52]

GreyFoxx:

but it's been almost a week now

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GreyFoxx:

So I'm hoping to find out it's unintential or have them do something other than "sucks to be you" :)

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iamlindoro__:

Oh Udo

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iamlindoro__:

That's been going on for like two weeks now, he will not let it o

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iamlindoro__:

go

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EvilGuru:

He seems to have a half-duplex connection which is stuck on outbound

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|Torg|:

root 14986 1.1 0.6 261796 24968 ? Ssl Jul01 14:38 /usr/local/bin/mythbackend

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|Torg|:

root 14986 1.1 0.6 263776 26448 ? Ssl Jul01 14:39 /usr/local/bin/mythbackend

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|Torg|:

oh my god its growing in size, it must be a memory leak

[16:09:08]

|Torg|:

or maybe its becase im USING THE DAMN THING

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|Torg|:

no no cant be my fault, its gota be a memory leak

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iamlindoro__:

especially when he's recording three multiplexes 24/7

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mmanning:

anyone familiar with hda-intel and distorted sound, I have googled but to no avail.

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hadees:

mmanning, is that onboard audio?

[16:11:16]

mmanning:

yes

[16:11:28]

hadees:

buy a better sound card, onboard audio sucks

[16:11:42]

Dibblah:

Oh, no. Udo...

[16:11:46]

hadees:

i hear a sound everytime there is a progress bar

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Dibblah:

"doesn't qt do somethign with the gui? No gui has been active for the backend"

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|Torg|:

you saw that :)

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hadees:

that is kind of weird the backend dieing in qt

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EvilGuru:

hadees: I am sure if you gave Qt an invalid pointer it would die

[16:13:01]

Dibblah:

Well, yes – And with a stack dump, it might be possible to get to the end of his issue.

[16:13:21]

hadees:

EvilGuru, yeah but with no GUI why would it use qt

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EvilGuru:

Udo... provide evidence!?!

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Dibblah:

mmanning: When you say distorted, what do you mean?

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iamlindoro__:

hadees: because Qt isn't just for GUI apps

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|Torg|:

umm mysql connections, not all QT is for GUI apps

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EvilGuru:

hadees: Qt also provides file, networking and threading classes

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Dibblah:

hadees: Ugh. QT provides the backbone of all of Myth.

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|Torg|:

libqt-mt mt means its the multithread library

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Dibblah:

String handling, events, signals, sockets, all handled by QT.

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hadees:

ah, i thought it was just the graphics lib

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hadees:

learn something new everday

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, it's a lot more

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GreyFoxx:

in fact that's just a small bit

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EvilGuru:

Tis is awesome

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Dibblah:

It can also be annoyingly buggy when you step outside the bounds of normality.

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mmanning:

Dibblah: static sound and skipping

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mmanning:

its hard to explain

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Dibblah:

Not the specific issues I see, then :(

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Dibblah:

I see some sort of wierd hardware upmixing gone wrong.

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mmanning:

Dibblah: thanks anyways

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mmanning:

Dibblah: how can I see what sound card i have?

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mmanning:

i think its hda intel but not sure

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mmanning:

lspci does not give me enough info

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|Torg|:

lspci -vvvv

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Dibblah:

00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)

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Dibblah:

That's in lspci

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Dibblah:

You don't need the really really really really verbose option.

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kslater:

so I've been poking around the wiki and I'm wondering what folks here are doing (ATSC) HD captures and what you're using to play them back? Ideally, I want quiet and as low power as possible (energy costs, heat, fans, noise and all).

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mmanning:

Dibblah: i have Audio device: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0774

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|Torg|:

ATSC, lets see, I capture them with an antenna, record with with a dvb card, and play them back with mythfrontedn

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kslater:

hehe

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kslater:

me too, but since I want to buy some new frontend hardware to replace the aging EPIA M13k I wanted to get a idea of people are using

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|Torg|:

I use a quad core q6600 not for h262 but for h264

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kslater:

WAF factor is declining since I can't playback HD captures on my primary frontend

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|Torg|:

I used to use in P4 3GHZ

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|Torg|:

before that I used to use and amd X2 5200

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|Torg|:

all use nvidia, untill the q6600 I used xvmc

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kslater:

|Torg| – yesterday you suggested XvMC – with Nvidia, that generally means non-mobo device, right?

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|Torg|:

do you mean like an addon card, usually. Im not fully versant in motherboards tho

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kslater:

there was some restriction on what Nvidia chipsets would support XvMC

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|Torg|:

6xxx and 7xxx

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|Torg|:

i.e. really cheap nvidia cards

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kslater:

are the Intel graphics chipsets still total garbage or do they actually work decently well now?

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|Torg|:

I dont use them and I dont intend to (dont fix whats not broken) so I dont know

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EvilGuru:

kslater: Garbage

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EvilGuru:

At least so far as their OpenGL support/performance goes

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kslater:

yeah, which is why I figured Nvidia

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|Torg|:

a 6500GS or so will work with xvmc and 1080I/60, you can find them for ~$50. You may even find motherbaord now with it built in. Mostly pay attention to how you want to connect your TV, (e.g. DVI to HDMI)

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iamlindoro__:

EvilGuru: What, what? Intel for myth box purposes is *really, really* good

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iamlindoro__:

I mean, you're not going to play Crysis on it, but the support and linux driver for Myth purposes works great

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|Torg|:

kslater 194 programs, using 3 TB (195 hrs 21 mins) out of 3.2 TB (657 GB free). That is alsmot ALL ATSC 262 (other then my mpg4 h264 tests)

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|Torg|:

I also seprate by ATSC BE and FE, so they dont contend on disk with mysql, etc

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kslater:

I have a pair of FE/BE boxes. Master has PVR-250, but will likely switch to the HD-PVR when it's ready. Slave has ATSC capture card in it.

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kslater:

I really want to be able to play back the HD content on the master – it's connected to a 46" Sony LCD

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|Torg|:

what is the cpu and video of that master?

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kslater:

1.3 Ghz via Ezra(?)

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kslater:

video is openchrome

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kslater:

all systems are still using .20+ some fixes

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iamlindoro__:

Gonna need MOAR

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|Torg|:

wait klsater they dont all run the SAME version?

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iamlindoro__:

He said "all systems"

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|Torg|:

yes he said + some fixes as in not all fixes, but ok

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iamlindoro__:

I believe me meant his version was patched with some fixes, not that some were different versions, but perhaps I misunderstood

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|Torg|:

do you use the openchrome drivers and xvmc now?

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kslater:

right, the systems are running what came in with Mythdora, but it was an upgrade, etc.

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kslater:

I do

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|Torg|:

and how badly does it play the h262 streams?

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kslater:

and it works well enough, although it won't playback any ATSC captures

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kslater:

it sometimes will play back a 720p recording but the audio stutters a bit

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|Torg|:

turn off deinterlacing, does it help?

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kslater:

1080i just gives a nice blue background – perfect audio though

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GreyFoxx:

iam: Well they wont reenable the clear signal for that one multiplex

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kslater:

haven't tried it without de-interlace

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx: SKEKSIS!

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GreyFoxx:

they said "You should have been getting it, and we just corrected a mistake" . So I called a guy in the headend and he said "A new suit came in a month ago, found out that his tv was getting the digital signal in the clear and freaked out"

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx: what is it they are trying so hard to protect, anyway? Does it still work via firewire?

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|Torg|:

I doubt it will work kslater I just wanted you to test it to see

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GreyFoxx:

Firewire does and will continue to work

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iamlindoro__:

Well that

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GreyFoxx:

It's just certain clear QAM channels

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iamlindoro__:

that's something I guess

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iamlindoro__:

douche

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GreyFoxx:

I can still get most, just not the "main" channels I and most apparently watch

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iamlindoro__:

Which channels became encrypted? Anything premium, or just random stuff?

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GreyFoxx:

Apparently the guy who preceeded him was the main advocate for keeping them in the clear

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** iamlindoro__ invokes iamlindoro's law again **

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GreyFoxx:

iam: no, just Fox, NBC, ATC, Global, ABC, CBS, etc

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iamlindoro__:

It's like Moore's law, but more predictable

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GreyFoxx:

the "main" stations

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GreyFoxx:

nothing you pay extra for

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx: so weird, the exact opposite of most US encryption situations :)

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|Torg|:

I belive its asgint FCC rules to encrypt the local brodcast staiotns, didnt stop my cable comany tho

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GreyFoxx:

Apparently he is worried about people will cable modem service getting the channels freely

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iamlindoro__:

|Torg|: except he's not anywhere governed by the FCC

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GreyFoxx:

so I have some decisions to make

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|Torg|:

I know, he lives in Canada

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GreyFoxx:

I COULD get another firewire capable box, no install fee

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GreyFoxx:

but then I'd have to pay the rental on it each month

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GreyFoxx:

I'm either gonna live with using my pvr cards+single firewire box for them

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GreyFoxx:

or switch services

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|Torg|:

when you switch services, call support and ask them who the new executive was, make sure you copy him on your decision and note it was becase of his decision yo are changing

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GreyFoxx:

Worst case I might pay for expressvu and then be a bad boy when it comes to accessing the channels I pay for. But that's all I'll sya about that :)

[16:51:23]

GreyFoxx:

But I doubt I'd do that, too much work

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GreyFoxx:

torg: I did get his email address :)

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GreyFoxx:

cause the techs are not happy with him :)

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justinh:

un-king believable! Sky have droids going around the streets in my area claiming that after the digital switchover, no dish == no TV ! :-O

[17:26:41]

justinh:

right shower of smarmy bastards too – harder to get shot of than alleged witnesses of a certain ilk

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|Torg|:

we got local dishnet resleers who sent out flyers that imply the same thing, "dont get cought with the digital switchover"

[17:30:41]

|Torg|:

I would love one of those fscks to come to my door an ask me

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justinh:

there were 3 of them came to my door just now. 2 lackeys standing behind him looking up to the ultra-charming c***

[17:32:23]

justinh:

almost ran out of ways to say NO without resorting to bad language, but "if I had a choice between no TV & Sky, I'd pick NO TV"

[17:32:33]

justinh:

sorted it :)

[17:32:56]

justinh:

the lackeys seemed to find that hilarious. hey ho

[17:33:17]

justinh:

yeah, people who don't have Sky are weirdos. Okay :D

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** xris doesn't have Sky. :( **

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jduggan:

weirdo.

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|Torg|:

when the dishnet installer arrived to install my HD box I had to call back the support line, when he showed back up I told him "What part of dont screw with my antena did you not understand"

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xris:

ouch

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justinh:

they're basically claiming a) no Sky, no TV after 2012.. b) that you can completely customise your channel lineup & only pay for what you want (yeah RIGHT!) and c) ADSL is always faster than cable broadband

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jduggan:

rubbish

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jduggan:

for C

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justinh:

rubbish, for all of em

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jduggan:

cable broadband in the UK is far superior speed wise

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webvictim:

it's more to do with getting the speed consistently.

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justinh:

had maybe 5 dropouts in as many years with cable. people I know with ADSL are always popping off

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webvictim:

although virgin media's policies are useless, and will be getting worse

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justinh:

speed isn't an issue with me. constancy of my connection IS

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justinh:

webvictim: I find it ironic how they're railing against file sharing etc when they just announced that they've upgraded their binary news retention & number of available groups

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webvictim:

it's annoying.

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justinh:

yes, alt.binaries.images.bluray or whatever is there too

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justinh:

on THEIR servers :)

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webvictim:

there's a report on the register talking about them possibly doing DPI and slowing usenet traffic.

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justinh:

if that doesn't make them party to illegality I dunno what can ;)

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webvictim:

their spokesperson has said "no, that's rubbish"

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XLV:

justinh, they'd hold some nice logs from those servers though

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webvictim:

but i can't help but think that the policy will suddenly change

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justinh:

nah, it's a british based company. they'll continue to say one thing & do another for quite some time yet

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justinh:

and no, the usenet traffic to their own servers doesn't seem to be capped

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justinh:

anyway, still – no matter how bad VM get they've still got a long way to catch up with Murdoch's merry bunch

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justinh:

course, Sky offer on-demand TV via your PC, but it's all DRM riddled shite, AND it eats into your quota. so they can shove that up their shiny arses too

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justinh:

definitely going to have to contact my local trading standards peeps tomorrow I think. they can't be allowed to get away with telling porkies like that

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justinh:

gonna have to contact them anyway, since the transaction I made for a laptop I attempted to buy last week has resulted in money being taken out of my account despite there being no stock, and they say it could be up to 36 working days (!) before I get it back. I'm calling that theft

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justinh:

what kind of website allows people to pay for something which isn't actually in the 'checkout' anyway? pfft

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EvilGuru:

justinh: A profitable one

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justinh:

obviously. well, they've had 24 hours to refund me, so tomorrow my card company is going to be informed of the theft

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jduggan:

did you pay by credit or debit

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justinh:

debit, but protected :)

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jduggan:

oh well

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jduggan:

i forgot to renew my tax

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jduggan:

just did it now

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jduggan:

but now i have no disc

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justinh:

oops

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jduggan:

considering its fully automated system

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jduggan:

i have purchased tax

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jduggan:

and the system would confirm

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justinh:

yeah but .... ;-)

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justinh:

you know how it is

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jduggan:

does it still break the law if you dont display

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justinh:

I dunno, but you can bet your house they'd try it on & you'd have to contest it

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jduggan:

online is so easy... gone are the days when you had to take your MOT and insurance certificate to the post office

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stuarta:

oh no they aren't

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jduggan:

depends if you're a technophobe

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jduggan:

:P

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stuarta:

if you manage to need to renew your tax disk, at about the same time as the insurance renewal

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stuarta:

there is no way to convince the website you have insurance

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justinh:

I'd assume that if you've renewed online, you're renewed regardless

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stuarta:

*despite* the link to the insurance checker returning "you have insurance"

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justinh:

the insurance database isn't always bang-on either

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justinh:

despicable considering how much they rely on it

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justinh:

takes up to 48 hours or longer to update sometimes.. anything up to a week – in which time if you're stopped randomly they have the power to seize your car

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jduggan:

and i bet you cant claim compensation

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jduggan:

some clause

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justinh:

course you can sort it all out afterwards, but what a fuck about

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justinh:

"but the computer..." .. yeah RIGHT. the data is never wrong, yeah yeah yeah

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jduggan:

lol

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justinh:

stuarta: evening btw. have you heard the one about how you can't get telly after the switchover if you don't have a Sky dish? I did tonight

[18:22:54]

stuarta:

it aint april 1st

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justinh:

from Sky monkeys calling at our door

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stuarta:

did you call "BULLSHIT" on them?

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justinh:

plenty

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stuarta:

i bet you had fun

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stuarta:

oh and evening btw

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justinh:

give em their dues they might've been lying c***s but they weren't hald persistent

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justinh:

*half

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justinh:

informing trading standards tomorrow. they can't be allowed to get away with that

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justinh:

bugger. could've done with taking names or something

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jduggan:

lol

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justinh:

and then I remember I have cctv :)

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justinh:

course, Sky might have something despicable planned to topple Virgin Media & Freeview – which'd make what they're saying true... wouldn't put it past em :P

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jduggan:

hah

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jduggan:

whats going on with bbc2

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jduggan:

wimbledon get rained off?

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stuarta:

tennis i'd expect

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jduggan:

my listings are wrong

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jduggan:

it suggests wimbledon, i got some documentary

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stuarta:

bright sunshine around here

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justinh:

maybe the WLF invaded centre court

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justinh:

pesky ferkin wombles

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stuarta:

womble hunting!

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** justinh chuckles at the moment the leader of the pack of 3 gimps switches on his smile **

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justinh:

fine way to make a living :P

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kslater:

|Torg| – the AMD processor you used to run, it was x64 or not?

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kslater:

er 64bit as in Athlon 64 X2 or just Athlon X2.

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justinh:

I thought all dual core was 64 bit, end of

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stuarta:

they are AFAIK

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kslater:

maybe but AMD sells both Athlon X2 processors (45 watt) and Athlon 64 X2 processors (65 watt)

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stuarta:

maybe amd's website will shed some like

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kslater:

at least according to NewEgg

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stuarta:

s/like/light

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kslater:

ah, looks like Athlon 64 X2 are notebook processors

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kslater:

wierd

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|Torg|:

kslater: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+

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TheDarkAura:

ok, which is the best OS to use with myth guys?

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TheDarkAura:

is there one that typically get updates first

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TheDarkAura:

well iguess i should say distro...

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TheDarkAura:

ok fedora then... silence is agreement ;)

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xand:

I prefer debian :P

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XLV:

TheDarkAura, mythbuntu

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TheDarkAura:

hmm

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TheDarkAura:

kk

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XLV:

mythbuntu has the mythtv control panel also, which is nice for beginners

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kslater:

MythDora

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kslater:

good out of the box experience

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TheDarkAura:

wow — there is a lot huh...

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TheDarkAura:

well ubuntu is evil because you can not get root gui access...

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GreyFoxx:

yay, my new n810 has been ordered

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GreyFoxx:

I love new toys

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GreyFoxx:

especially ones I will actually use :)

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TheDarkAura:

wow mythdora looks nice thanks kslater :)

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|Torg|:

TheDarkAura: yes you can log into unutu, even kde or gnomr as root, you just have to know how

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TheDarkAura:

oh no 1600 support on mythdora

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TheDarkAura:

really? sudo xwin ? ;)

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TheDarkAura:

hehe

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|Torg|:

no the rc files its setup like that to keep you from harm

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|Torg|:

speciflcy kdmrc or gdm.conf depnding on what login manager you use, and speficly sshd_config for root access via ssh

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TheDarkAura:

hmm

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TheDarkAura:

lol unutu

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TheDarkAura:

i just noticed that ;)

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mkrufky:

some guy named "setite" is about to come in here and ask if anybody uses myth

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mkrufky:

lol

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mkrufky:

...or not

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** mkrufky hides **

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PatrickDK:

people actually use that software?

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mkrufky:

SOME do

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iamlindoro__:

I hear it's illegal

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iamlindoro__:

And that in the USA they put you federal pound me in the ass prison for it

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mkrufky:

be careful — somebody might believe you

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iamlindoro__:

Yes, I do! Me me!! Pick me, I do!

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mkrufky:

lol ^^

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** iamlindoro__ sees the future **

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm, looks like I need to preper a M810 dev environment :)

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GreyFoxx:

err N810

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setite:

my IRC is broken

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setite:

this channel doesnt show up in my list

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setite:

brrr

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GreyFoxx:

It's set to invisible

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mkrufky:

it is?!?

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GreyFoxx:

well, +s

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GreyFoxx:

doesn't show up in /channels lists

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setite:

damn ok...

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GreyFoxx:

unless you are already in it

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mkrufky:

set #mythtv invisible ... #mythtv-users should be visible, IMHO

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iamlindoro__:

Sssssssh, ee-hay ill-way ear-hay you-yay!

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setite:

ok so my problem is i cant scan

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GreyFoxx:

mkr: that is too :)

[20:09:25]

mkrufky:

good :-)

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iamlindoro__:

Doesn't stop 'em

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setite:

im using a genpix skywalker 1, and im getting an error Timeout Scanning [TP or Transport ID] — no tables

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iamlindoro__:

I'll bet a shiny nickel you're trying to scan dish network

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setite:

haha of course

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iamlindoro__:

then I guess I won't be helping

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iamlindoro__:

because STEALING TV'S BAD MMMKAY

[20:11:28]

iamlindoro__:

but I will say that myth out of the bo *cannot* scan dish transpondes, so oh well

[20:11:31]

iamlindoro__:

er out of the box

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iamlindoro__:

er transponders

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setite:

well for the record i havve unencrypted channels only check and im scanning transponders with those channels

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iamlindoro__:

see above, can't

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setite:

ok well i think ive put all the proper patches in place... but are you saying it goes beyond that? its locking the transponders... displaying the bird name and ID...

[20:12:28]

setite:

ok

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iamlindoro__:

And I'll add that I don't believe for a hot second that you're trying to scan the one unencrypted TS on Dish

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** GreyFoxx morns the loss of General Hammond from SG1 **

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GreyFoxx:

mourns

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GreyFoxx:

whatever

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx: yeah, that's sad. I didn't like Stargate but I liked him

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stuarta:

better than mooning his loss

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setite:

i wont say that im not gonna scan for encrypted channels too, but at the moment, for testing sake, since i have no decryption plugins installed, that i am scanning for truly unencrypted channels to see if i can get this working.. but ill go elsewhere since your not willing to help

[20:14:11]

clever:

oneil took over at one point

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clever:

and was having a joy ride in one of those new ships they made:P

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GreyFoxx:

cleve: Oneil took over in Season 8, but in 9 and 10 it was General Landry

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GreyFoxx:

<<-- Major SG addict

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** iamlindoro__ wonders how that Genpic thing because the DVB-S device of choice for satellite theives **

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iamlindoro__:

thieves, that is

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GreyFoxx:

iam: also supports 8psk which is what dishnet uses for hdtv

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iamlindoro__:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

was originally an extracted tuner from a dishnet 6000 stb

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GreyFoxx:

but that was long ago

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|Torg|:

you mean a genpix? the only thing it does is support 8psk with turbo fec, i.e. dishnets screwed up -s2

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stuarta:

ah standards

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EvilGuru:

If it is all encrypted how can someone 'steal' it? (I am thankfully not an expert on this TV stealing crap)

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stuarta:

don't ask

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stuarta:

since we won't tell you

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iamlindoro__:

and we won;t tell

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iamlindoro__:

haha

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iamlindoro__:

jinx

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|Torg|:

illegal decrypting software, illegal in the US at least

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|Torg|:

and before anyone gets it into their heads to use a dvb-s2 card it wont work

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Dibblah:

Anyone seen http://pastebin.com/m286cc91e

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Dibblah:

Schema upgrade issue...

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Dibblah:

At 1217

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|Torg|:

hmm im at 1221 and its working fine

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iamlindoro__:

Dibblah: Looks consistent with some of the DB errors people were seeing when they had some bogus/repeated data, I'd look at that table and see if anything looks redundant

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Dibblah:

Well, I see the issue...

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Dibblah:

BombÃˆÃ¾n – El Perro and BombÃ³n – El Perro

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Dibblah:

The error is just plain wrong, though :)

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iamlindoro__:

ah, doesn't like the character

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Dibblah:

Not quite that simple, it appears.

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Dibblah:

Meh. delete FROM oldprogram where not oldtitle regexp "^[A-Za-z 0–9'.!-:?();@_]*$"

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Dibblah:

delete FROM oldprogram where not oldtitle regexp "^[][A-Za-z 0–9'.!-:?();@_]*$"

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Dibblah:

Even

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stuarta:

ffs. debian testing isn't in an installable state

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kslater:

|Torg| 1080i / h264 using your q6600?

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|Torg|:

yes, at 13.5Mbps too

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kslater:

think a x2 at 2.5mhz would do it?

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PatrickDK:

freenode splits :)

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PatrickDK:

2.5mhz? we must be back in the earily 80's

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kslater:

ghz

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kslater:

mhz

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|Torg|:

kslater: maybe, its on the limit, I use all 4 cores at 50–60% to play it with coreavc

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kslater:

whatever

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kslater:

interesting

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kslater:

maybe I should go with a faster clock

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|Torg|:

ffmpeg can play single slice (read hdpvr) h264 with single core only, with skiploopfilter set to non key frames its sort of ok

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** justinh wonders how long Dell would take to deliver a laptop **

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iamlindoro__:

A long, long, long

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iamlindoro__:

long, long long,

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iamlindoro__:

long, long long

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iamlindoro__:

...

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iamlindoro__:

time.

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justinh:

hmmm

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iamlindoro__:

Well, if you buy one of the preconfigured ones it might not be too bad

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justinh:

oh yeah nothing crazy custom crazy

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iamlindoro__:

but if you want to configure it yourself, woe betide thee

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justinh:

not arsed about fancy graphics etc

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justinh:

thinking Vostro 1510 or so

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justinh:

dunno where they get off on Â£60 delivery though

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jduggan:

heh

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justinh:

hmm spend Â£299 or more & get free delivery. tempting :)

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jduggan:

you were lookin at a laptop that was less than 299?

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justinh:

ffs. vista or vista. arghhh

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jduggan:

justinh: linux :)

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justinh:

jduggan: of course! I'm a cheapskate

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justinh:

Ableton won't run on linux

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jduggan:

i didnt know you could get a laptop less than 299

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justinh:

1510 comes in a 329 inc vat & delivery

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justinh:

c2d 1.8, 15.4" screen, wifi, yadayada

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justinh:

free shipping on units costing more than Â£299 exc vat

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justinh:

what I'm wondering is, do I need a 17" monitor

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justinh:

machine I almost bought last thursday (the one where the website ripped me off anyway) was 17", only celery 1.8 but priced at Â£220 delivered

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justinh:

no wonder they sold out before the order completed :p

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jduggan:

c2d laptop for 329?

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justinh:

yeah

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jduggan:

cant be bad

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justinh:

exc vat

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justinh:

oh wait the 15.4" C2D was 329 inc vat delivered

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justinh:

only 1GB ram but that's cheaper than chips these days

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justinh:

team that up with a dual firewire audio interface, ableton.. nifty cheaty DJ gear :)

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justinh:

was tempted by a lenovo machine earlier.. more expensive but had nvidia graphics rather than intel

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justinh:

btw stuarta you heard about lugradio? disbanding after this year's LRL

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Dibblah:

justinh: Now that's an odd choice. Preferring Intel over NV?

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justinh:

I don't really need fancy graphics

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Dibblah:

True.

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justinh:

only really need CPU > 1.6Ghz, => 1GB RAM, > 120GB HDD, >3 USB.. firewire would be nice. the dell machines fulfill all of those criteria nicely

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justinh:

my 2800xp has coped ably with everything I've chucked at it in ableton even with just a gig of ram, so I think even the lowest end c2d will be niiice

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justinh:

and I'll be able to rid myself of the orrible desktop machine.. or just turn it into a new backend

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justinh:

since I've got back into my djing crap I think it's becoming ever less likely I'll have the inclination to do any GUI chuff

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justinh:

that & my new-found body facism :P

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iamlindoro__:

justinh is turning into a hulking behemoth so that he can crush his enemies, see them driven before him and hear the weeping and lamentations of their women?

[21:40:52]

justinh:

no, but I'm no longer a fat bastard

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justinh:

not that I was ever fat, by stallman standards

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Dibblah:

That'll be the dog's fault, then.

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iamlindoro__:

Ah Stallmania

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iamlindoro__:

most of the Beirdies, really

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justinh:

the dog, and the lack of eating a mars bar/cake/muffin & crisps & scrobbling a can of fat coke every single lunchytime

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justinh:

saved money too

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Dibblah:

:)

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justinh:

and then I just need to give up schmerking tabs

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Dibblah:

Did wonders for your grumpyness, too, I'll bet.

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justinh:

fucking didn't

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justinh:

although it's much more constant now :)

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justinh:

hahaha looking on ebay it's starting to look like a viable option to buy laptops at PC World & sell them on ebay at a huge profit

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justinh:

is literally everybody going "wooo, laptops.. I hear they're expensive, must be a bargain!", or what?

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justinh:

even the broken ones

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justinh:

or is it more a case of "hey, I paid Â£3000 for this 10 years ago..." ?

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Dagmar:

It's the latter.

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jduggan:

lol

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jduggan:

crazy how prices fall

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justinh:

well, go on my hols on friday. no point ordering now anyway

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Dagmar:

They paid too much and they cant come to grips with the fact that a $399 laptop is now 4x faster than theirs.

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jduggan:

i want another holiday

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justinh:

they're scarily cheap now, those lappy thingies

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jduggan:

i got back from vegas 2.5weeks ago and am ready for another break

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justinh:

hahaha

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jduggan:

they sure are

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justinh:

course, you can still spend Â£3000 on a piece of portable computer kit but WHY?

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jduggan:

yea, who wants apple anyway?

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justinh:

only if you want to play games, I guess – but you won't be leaving the house much if you're that way inclined anyway

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jduggan:

:PPPP

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justinh:

yeah already dismissed macbooks out of hand

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iamlindoro__:

Lot's of games on the Mac, like Doom 3! And.... Photoshop!

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zoomzoom:

just bootcamp it, thats what i do with my work mac

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justinh:

maybe if I get into a 'here's Â£400 for turning up & playing some records this weekend' every week situation again

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zoomzoom:

it plays games great on the airplane for like 5hrs

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zoomzoom:

bioshock etc

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** iamlindoro__ strokes his Macbook Air lovingly **

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justinh:

y'all get paid too bloody much

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

no, we just get MacBooks free from work

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justinh:

well, whichever way you got your macbook, your employer must need their mind examined ;)

[21:51:00]

mchou:

there is nothing to be examined. They are all leased

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justinh:

the ones my work doles out weigh like 10 kilos, take 30 minutes to boot up..

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iamlindoro__:

It was from work, and yes, they need their heads examined, agreed

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iamlindoro__:

but until then, their mental illness is my gain!

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justinh:

heheh

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zoomzoom:

they work very well for someone who does most of their job in a unix environment with alot of X but has to do exchange and office shit, powerpoint presentations too

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mchou:

zoomzoom: bingo

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justinh:

and I suppose they've not heard of ssh & freenx then ;)

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zoomzoom:

visio too

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mchou:

zoomzoom: you drive a mazda?

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zoomzoom:

how about visio then? omnigraffle sucks but at least it works

[21:52:33]

zoomzoom:

no, i have an a4 1.8t

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zoomzoom:

and a silverado 1500 lt2

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justinh:

_definitely_ get paid too much!

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mchou:

zoomzoom: just wondering about your handle

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zoomzoom:

oh :)

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jduggan:

justinh: car finance in the US is cheap

[21:53:14]

jduggan:

compared to the UK, atleast

[21:53:23]

justinh:

ah

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justinh:

oh dear GAWD. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7485313.stm

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zoomzoom:

hehe a4 is my baby, i work on her myself. she's a 2001 and paid off. the truck is the one i actually pay for

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mchou:

lol

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zoomzoom:

though if you count the amount of upgrades in the a4 as price of the car... you might have me there.

[21:54:11]

mchou:

truck==suck gas

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justinh:

"The Polar Special featured hosts Jeremy Clarkson and James May drinking while driving as they tried to reach the Magnetic North Pole last year.". wait a sec. they were attempting to drive to the north pole in what amounted to just a regular frickin car ffs. which is the more daft?

[21:54:25]

zoomzoom:

yeah. its an 06 and doesnt even have 7k miles

[21:54:25]

gbee:

of course my experience probably differs from a lot of other peoples, but generally I've found that Powerpoint presentations don't tend to get shared around, they are created and usually displayed on the same machine (hooked up to a projector maybe), in those circumstances it really doesn't matter what's used (Impress etc)

[21:54:35]

zoomzoom:

Jeremy Clarkson rocks

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zoomzoom:

gbee: at my place they get shared around more than they're displayed

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mchou:

gbee: you must be brave

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EvilGuru:

justinh: Showing a frostbitten penis

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mchou:

gbee: presentations need to get "buy in" before they go live

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justinh:

death by powerpoint to all powerpoint advocates!

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mchou:

gbee: i.e. emailed to all stake-holders

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gbee:

mchou: we live in two different worlds ;)

[21:56:18]

mchou:

gbee: maybe even jointly revised

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justinh:

MS need to wise up & make powerpoint support less slides NOW

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justinh:

max. of 30. TOPS

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justinh:

'it looks like you're going to send everyone to sleep. would you like me to make some suggestions?'

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zoomzoom:

did you guys notice 10.5.4 is out? seems apple fixed the speedstep problem. if thats really what the end problem was for the running hot/lower batterylife of 10.5.3

[21:58:06]

zoomzoom:

(didnt research it, but did notice after the update that temps were lower)

[21:58:07]

gbee:

"You've used a lot of clipart, would you like to include some cliches?"

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mchou:

gbee: haha

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justinh:

lol gbee

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justinh:

anyway time for Zzzzzzzzzs. last day of work for a while tomorrow

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mjsilva:

does anyone knows where can I find ircexec? rpm preferably

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mjsilva:

anyone?

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zoomzoom:

no idea, try http://rpmfind.net

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mjsilva:

gonna try tks zoomzoom

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zoomzoom:

np

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mjsilva:

no luck :(

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zoomzoom:

maybe the google i dunno sorry :\

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directhex:

irexec

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directhex:

not ircexec

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tgm4883_laptop:

I'm trying to delete a secondary backend and it's tuners using phpmyadmin. It's not possible to do this via the secondary backend since the HD crashed and I really don't want to clear out the entire tuner list for all my backends. Is there any other table that holds secondary backend information (or tuner information) other than capturecard and cardinput

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dustybin:

i just booted into my new pentium III 733mhz using knoppix

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Alexman:

People, hi. I want to ask you, how you do think can opteron 2 GHz + 2 gigs of RAM + Nvidia Quadro FX290 maintain on-the-fly encoding in MPEG4 3 Full HD streams and distribution over Gbit network simultaneously?

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directhex:

something is missing in your story

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directhex:

how are you capturing these HD streams you intend on transcoding?

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Alexman:

i'll capture this streams using DVB-S2

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iamlindoro:

wait, I'll just say that unless you intend to transcode to 200x200, no fucking way, no. at all. No.

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iamlindoro:

assuming you mean encoding = transcoding

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Alexman:

yep, from mpeg2

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iamlindoro:

whereas if you just mean capture, sure, easy no problem

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directhex:

Alexman, if it comes from dvb-s2, it will ALREADY be h264 or mpeg2. why do you want to transcode it again? what to?

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directhex:

Alexman, mythtv does not do on-the-fly transcoding from data sources anyway, so th question doesn't really apply to mythtv if your source is dvb

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Alexman:

i'm dummy on this field

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iamlindoro:

Alexman: Digital tuners (DVB included) capture pre-encoded streams, ie they are compressed at the broadcaster side

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Alexman:

just want to know if that system can maintain max load

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blackest:

would you believe i wanted the username of bvcfxbcvxkbncvknbzdxcxc,vn,xcvnsdsnksndsn on skype and apparently somebody is already using it

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iamlindoro:

if all you want to do is share them with other systems, there is no reason to transcode anything.

[22:54:27]

iamlindoro:

presuming the machines you want to share them with have the horsepower to play back the original streams, that is

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Alexman:

apple tv match?

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directhex:

Alexman, your question is invalid for mythtv, and full of holes which detail what kind of load would be required. there's no simple answer

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directhex:

appletv? so SD h264, then

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directhex:

iamlindoro, thoughts? i'm sayin' "nay"

[22:55:53]

iamlindoro:

nay!

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iamlindoro:

Is this where we send him to the forbidden zone? I will *not* kneel before Zod

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iamlindoro:

Guilty! Guilty! GUILTY!

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jams:

someone misbehaving?

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iamlindoro:

no, I just felt like we had a very Superman 2 moment

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directhex:

given the rate at which the wife's significantly superior desktop does dvd->h264 encodes, compared to my machine, i think an opteron box would fall pretty short of doing what you ask. not that mythtv is the right system for on-the-fly transcoding to an appletv-friendly format

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iamlindoro:

what with the "nay, nay" stuff

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jams:

nevermind then

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jams:

back to the other window

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iamlindoro:

haha

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iamlindoro:

jams: FWIW it's nice to know that someone actually cares enough to wonder if anyone misbehaves in here ;)

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jams:

superjams is not needed here

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Alexman:

and if i install linux directly to atv?

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iamlindoro:

Alexman: These estimates we're giving you *presume* that you have... if you try to use the OS X frontend, you can forget even that

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directhex:

then appletv is a pretty crappy pentium-m machine with not enough memory

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iamlindoro:

And if anyone tells you it can play "720p h.264," then ask them about the bitrate and encoding options and watch the confused look spread across their face

[23:02:18]

iamlindoro:

And then send them here, where directhex and I will give hem 720p h.264 samples that will make their ATVs melt into pools of slag

[23:02:40]

directhex:

iamlindoro, shiny white slag, though. be fair.

[23:02:52]

iamlindoro:

true that! Prettiest slag this side of Cupertino

[23:03:05]

directhex:

iSlag!

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directhex:

at this point, face the might of an enraged cybermat! http://www.doctorwhoworld.org.uk/Images/siteg . . . cybermat.jpg

[23:04:22]

Alexman:

Maybe someone can will advise some thin clients?

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tgm4883_laptop:

join #ubuntu-doc

[23:05:14]

tgm4883_laptop:

bah

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iamlindoro:

if they need to play back HD h.264 at decent bitrates, the the Mac Mini is a good choice

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Alexman:

Available in Europe, preferably

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directhex:

iamlindoro, what a charitable reply! i was going to force some detail on actual requirements

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dustybin:

when will apple release the next wave of mac minis?

[23:06:35]

iamlindoro:

when steve wanks into a plastic mould and pronounces it the ispooge

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dustybin:

:-(

[23:06:56]

iamlindoro:

note the european usage of the word wank and spelling of the word "mold."

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** iamlindoro crowns himself an honorary european **

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dustybin:

:-P

[23:07:37]

dustybin:

Apple Mac Mini 2.5 C2D

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iamlindoro:

You wish

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dustybin:

i bought myself a pentium III 733mhz on ebay forÂ£8.99

[23:08:40]

directhex:

dustybin, you can replace the cpu in a mac mini, you know

[23:08:55]

dustybin:

directhex: then it overheats and melts steves mold

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dustybin:

i dont think steve would be too impressed

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iamlindoro:

I THINK YOU COULD GET IT UP TO A 2.4 OR 2.5 WITHOUT TOO MUCH ISSUE, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S PASSIVELY COOLED

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iamlindoro:

holy cow, sorry

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iamlindoro:

I mean, I *really* meant that

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directhex:

MOAR mhz!

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dustybin:

:o

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iamlindoro:

Sometimes I have trouble controlling the VOLUME OF MY VOICE

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directhex:

i have trouble controlling my flesh-eating pandas

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dustybin:

my new machine has a 10gig HD, 128 megs of ram

[23:10:54]

dustybin:

perfect for desktop

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dustybin:

most people upgrade, i downgrade

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Were they buried in earthquake avalanche? Are they zombie pandas?

[23:11:43]

iamlindoro:

ah, dustybin and clever must be comparing notes

[23:11:53]

dustybin:

im not that bad

[23:12:06]

dustybin:

the build quality of my IBM is excellent

[23:12:09]

dustybin:

it feels solid

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iamlindoro:

get black_nightmare in there and they can personally accumulate every piece of just that the self-respecting/sensisble/non-virgin crowd throws away

[23:12:24]

iamlindoro:

er piece of junk

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** iamlindoro LVMs 20,000 MFM drives and makes himself a 200 GB drive. **

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: are you being a silly sod?

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directhex:

iamlindoro, i know a swede who collects PDPs...

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: no sillier than usual

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iamlindoro:

directhex: all I want is my BeBox back

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dustybin:

do you know you could put a IDE > CF inside a mythtv frontend and use a hitachi microdrive what is a 1" hard drive and use that to boot a frontend

[23:14:33]

iamlindoro:

that's the only piece of old stuff I'll allow in the house

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: yes, but then I'd punch myself in the face for being an idiot and not netbooting in the first place

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directhex:

dustybin, welcome to several years ago

[23:15:16]

dustybin:

iamlindoro: netbooting is messy business, after reading more about it i dont like the sound of it

[23:15:19]

directhex:

dustybin, you can do the whole thing just booting off a usb stick for a fraction of the cost & effort

[23:15:21]

dustybin:

its a bit too hit and miss

[23:15:33]

iamlindoro:

dustybin: Well, I guess you're the expert, what with having read about it online

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: I want xfs if i'm mostly going to be archiving my DVDs and BDs onto the HDD, right?

[23:15:49]

directhex:

EnderTheThird, IMHO, yes

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: with netbooting you risk stability

[23:16:12]

iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: I try not to get into the FS war, but I have EXT3 and XFS partitions-- mostly a matter of comfort I think

[23:16:31]

iamlindoro:

dustybin: Again, don't need a lecture about netboot (as a person who does it) from a person who never has

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EnderTheThird:

I just remember reading that XFS is good for big files, which backups definitely would be, heh

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EnderTheThird:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: yeah, think it would be fine-- if you don't plan to delete a lot even EXT could be fine

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EnderTheThird:

Meh, you never know. I do remember my BE slowing to a halt when I used ext3 for recordings, heh

[23:18:22]

dustybin:

do you think it would be possible to replace the fans inside my old ibm netvista with silent ones?

[23:18:23]

EnderTheThird:

deleting stuff was a nightmare, ha

[23:19:59]

iamlindoro:

dustybin: to silence fans you either need larger slower moving fans, or to find some passive means of cooling. Anything can be quieted by a motivated modder, but may not be worth it

[23:20:11]

dustybin:

ok

[23:20:39]

EnderTheThird:

any of you guys backed up BDs before? I got a 1GB drive for dirt cheap so I wanted to give it a whirl.

[23:21:05]

EvilGuru:

Major weirdness today... couple of recordings over the past day had the first 5 minutes as corrupt as a politician and another recording did not want to be deinterlaced totally by YADIF

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: one might say I wrote the (mythtv version of the) book on the subject :)

[23:21:52]

EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: you're a good man. :) what app do you use?

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: I've used DumpHD to do it, but to be perfectly honest, you would be far, far better served using AnyDVD HD under Windows

[23:22:49]

iamlindoro:

I keep a dumpy windows box in the corner w/ a Blu-ray drive *just* to rip my Bluray films

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directhex:

EnderTheThird, given keydb.cfg's lack of content, does copypasting the data files work if you have anydvdhd installed on windows?

[23:23:05]

directhex:

damn, as i was typing...

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directhex:

should re-learn touchtyping

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directhex:

and that was for iamlindoro

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directhex:

oh fuck it, bedtime obviously

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iamlindoro:

They have defeated BD+, which all the new disks are, and there's no open source decrypt for that. Also, AACS is done with an algorithm instead of, as directhex said, a keys file

[23:23:26]

EnderTheThird:

i figured it wasn't for me, heh

[23:24:05]

iamlindoro:

I think it's probably the best $60 ($70 maybe?) piece of software I've ever purchased

[23:24:06]

EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: the Windows software is better for it eh? Bummer. I only have Linux boxes set up.

[23:24:16]

EnderTheThird:

or easier, whatever

[23:24:16]

iamlindoro:

So, so so much better for it

[23:24:29]

iamlindoro:

And believe me, I'd love to have the open solution trump it, but it is *way* off

[23:24:34]

EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: ever tried doing it in a VM?

[23:24:49]

iamlindoro:

once we have an open solution playback from the disk will be possible, but until then, AnyDVD is the leader by a long shot

[23:24:51]

iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: Can't

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iamlindoro:

Can't get the drive access it needs AFAIK

[23:25:38]

EnderTheThird:

oh, with BD?

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iamlindoro:

with any of the formats it rips

[23:26:13]

EnderTheThird:

Checking to see if you meant the media or the HDD storage

[23:26:16]

EnderTheThird:

:)

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iamlindoro:

I meand the BD media, yeah

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iamlindoro:

er meant

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EnderTheThird:

Hmm, well maybe I'll have to screw around with DumpHD for awhile to see how it handles it.

[23:27:02]

EnderTheThird:

Do you backup the entire disk, or just the movie track/title?

[23:27:30]

iamlindoro:

The other sucky thing? Last time I did it the keysdb wasn't concatenated together in a single source, so you have to put the codes you need into yours from what you find in the Doom9 thread about it

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iamlindoro:

Whole disk

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iamlindoro:

Here's the howto in case you hadn't found it: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Bluray

[23:28:22]

EnderTheThird:

Yeah, I remember checking that out, but thanks for the clicky anyway.

[23:28:24]

iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

now for food

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EnderTheThird:

Tonight's cheap fajita night at Don Pablo's, then off to see Hancock

[23:29:53]

EnderTheThird:

If I copy the root Linux files to a different partition, do I have to edit Grub to make it boot of the new partition/HDD, or will it auto-detect that change? It will still be the primary drive, so I don't think it'll matter, but what do I know, heh

[23:32:16]

clever:

EnderTheThird: depeneds on if your using the uuid or not and other things

[23:32:55]

EnderTheThird:

hmm, guess i'll need to just give it a shot and see what happens. if it doesn't work, i'll reconnect the original one and mess with it

[23:33:12]

EnderTheThird:

I think it is using UUIDs though, so it won't be as easy as i'd like.

[23:33:27]

clever:

uuid's actualy make force you to change it

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clever:

because the new filesystem(assuming you just copyed the files) would have its own uuid

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EnderTheThird:

yeah

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EnderTheThird:

I'd keep it attached, but then I don't have a SATA port open for my BD/HDDVD drive, heh

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clever:

recently the drive in my router went tits up

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clever:

so far ive got the old grub booting the new drive

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clever:

but i havent gotten grub working right on the new drive

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clever:

so i need the old dying one to load the kernel

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EnderTheThird:

well that sounds like fun, ha

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EnderTheThird:

not worth reinstalling it I take it?

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dude:

hey guys, I've just compiled 0.21-fixes, and I"m using a PVR_350 with the x driver output. Anyhow, for some reason all myth windows are entirely black, with a blue border around them. They display fine if I use X forwarding to another box, so it has to be something with that x driver or some such...

[23:38:02]

dude:

I heard myth moved to opengl, but support wasn't compiled in according to ./configure... any idea what I'm missing?

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directhex:

myth has 2 painters, qt and opengl

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directhex:

for the menus, this is

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dude:

ok... so, it seems the qt one is borked, but myth compiled, so I don't get it

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directhex:

menus or videos are broken?

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dude:

menus so far, I can't get beyond that, since as soon as I run mythfrontend, all I get is a small box that's totally black

[23:39:54]

dude:

but, X does show fine, I have a console, etc

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directhex:

hm

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directhex:

frontend log?

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dude:

sec

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iamlindoro:

oooooh you're about to get a channelful

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dude:

hehe, naw

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dude:

what's the daily pastebin?

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iamlindoro:

whichever pastebin pushes your buttons

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dude:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

but if you don't use rafb/net/paste then the terrorists win

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iamlindoro:

er rafb.net/paste

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dude:

http://pastebin.ca/1060901

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dude:

I just pasted what I think is probably quite evil

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dude:

something is definitely missing

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dude:

in X

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dude:

it's baked

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dude:

every time it tries to draw a window, those X errors appear from the nether regions of hell

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iamlindoro:

ah, so you chose the worst, slowest pastebin in the world, when you had so many choices

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dude:

what!!!

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dude:

I'll have you know, it has .ca after it, therefore it is mighty and proper

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iamlindoro:

so long as you expect no more than 2400 baud speeds

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dude:

is it really that bad for you, heh

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** dude wonders how bad the routing is **

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iamlindoro:

hasn't loaded yet

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dude:

woha

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directhex:

pastebin.ca is fast for me

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directhex:

must route through cuba

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iamlindoro:

hippie commie pinkos

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dude:

http://pastebin.com/m1ed87262

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dude:

there

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iamlindoro:

looks bad alright

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iamlindoro:

ATI video, perchance?

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dude:

frankly, it makes me angry to see X denying things to myth...

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dude:

no, just the cool and wacky X driver for the pvr-350

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iamlindoro:

so there is no video card in the system?

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dude:

but I was assured by people in high places that this would be fine!

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dude:

there is, it's... hmm, not ati, nvidia

[23:46:57]

dude:

some old geforce

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dude:

FooBar01_:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV28 [GeForce4 Ti 4200 AGP 8x] (rev a1)

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dude:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/archive/o_t/t . . . o_video.html

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iamlindoro:

That talks about a conflict between the ATI drivers and pvr-350 video, but perhaps a similar situation is at hand here

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iamlindoro:

might be worth installing the proprietary nvidia drivers and see if they interact better (or if you have the proprietary ones, uninstall them and just use vesa)

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directhex:

he's on a pvr350

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directhex:

using the pvr350 x driver

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directhex:

sick filth, IMHO, but that's just my opinion

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dude:

good grief, why are there no post dates on this forum, heh

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iamlindoro:

directhex: right, but that's not to say that there's not still anotehr driver conflicting (as was the case in that post)

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dude:

anyhow, yeah... it's the X driver, so it psyches it into thinking the pvr-350 is a mighty card

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directhex:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5273&start=0 has dates#

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dude:

ah, dates, my world is right again ;)

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dude:

hmmm

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dude:

ok

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dude:

well

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dude:

mplayer plays movies as well, so XV is there (since I'm using that)

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dude:

actualy

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dude:

it's just playing a myth recording right now

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dude:

wtf

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dude:

so, guys... I have mesa installed, what do I need to try to do software opengl? or, should I even think of that route?

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iamlindoro:

PVR-350 has no gl support whatsoever AFAIK

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dude:

yeah.. but software open gl via mesa is there

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dude:

was just thinking as a way to see if it was the qt output plugin caiusin' the pain

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