Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, June 30th, 2008, 00:02 UTC

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directhex:

i wasn't aware of frontends usnig passwords

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directhex:

on recent versions of myth, there's a PIN number for frontends, and alternatively there's the mysql details which are the same for ALL frontends and backends

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Nostahl:

it said it generated a password for me

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directhex:

but no per-frontend passwords exist

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Nostahl:

and it sayd i had to add it to the db so it knew that the frontend was aloud to connect or somethin

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directhex:

define "it"

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Nostahl:

i just installed mythtv frontend from synaptic

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directhex:

if "it" means "a debconf window", then ignore it. Just edit /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt to match your backend

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iamlindoro:

directhex: But *it* said so!!!!

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directhex:

or even bin the file, i think. pretty sure 0.21 should just find backends via upnp

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Nostahl:

it did popup saying no upnp found or somethin

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Nostahl:

i should doublecheck if thats turned on in my router

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directhex:

then your backend is probably configured not to work on a network

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directhex:

e.g. you've got "127.0.0.1" in all the IP address fields

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iamlindoro:

Your router can't stop traffic within your network dude :)

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Nostahl:

iamlindoro my router has an option for upnp enabled or disabled

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directhex:

erm, yes

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iamlindoro:

Nostahl: then you don't understand what a router does

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directhex:

whether your ROUTER shows up as a UPnP device

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Nostahl:

oh

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iamlindoro:

and your *router* handles traffic into and out of your network, it doesn't have anything to do with traffic between two devices *within* it

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Nostahl:

k

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directhex:

the irony is, mythbuntu-control-center even has a tickbox to alter myth's config to work on a network

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Nostahl:

yea its 127.0.0.1

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Nostahl:

just went into backend setup

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Nostahl:

k i just looked at both computers /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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Nostahl:

they are identical

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directhex:

and the backend is listening on a LAN IP, not 127.0.0.1?

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Nostahl:

192.168.2.5 aye

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Nostahl:

it shows up on my laptop now but laptop says cannot connect to db

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Nostahl:

checked and the mysql.txt's are identical

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directhex:

is mysql listening on a LAN IP?

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Nostahl:

how do i tel

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directhex:

my.cnf?

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Nostahl:

where's that located

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iamlindoro:

this is why they made the "locate" command, but it's in /etc/mysql/

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directhex:

and again, if you used the tools you were provided with, this conversation wouldn't have happened

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Dagmar:

`netstat -tunap | grep mysql` also helps

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directhex:

nothing says "year of the linux desktop" like netstat -tunap

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Nostahl:

lets see i see somethin here says bind-address = 127...... in my.cnf

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iamlindoro:

now put your thinking cap on and tell us what you should do

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directhex:

bedtime.

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Nostahl:

tryed setting it to 192.168.2.5 and started frontend

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Nostahl:

still cannot log into db

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iamlindoro:

*sigh*

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directhex:

Nostahl, how does mysql know about the changes to the config?

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iamlindoro:

did you bother to restart mysql?

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Nostahl:

no

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iamlindoro:

well then I hope you're feeling adequately slow, geek squad

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Nostahl:

lol

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Nostahl:

you are aloud to say that when geek squad officialy supports linux

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Nostahl:

until then i am learning just like everyone else lol

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iamlindoro:

When the geek squad attempts to support linux I will laugh even harder at them than I do now

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directhex:

i'm not sure i'd call anyone without a working knowledge of linux a geek, in this day & age

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iamlindoro:

Let's not lose sight of the real victims here, their customers

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directhex:

and to think their entry into the .uk market is seen as a great white hope, compared to the incumbents

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iamlindoro:

sweet jesus help us

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iamlindoro:

let's leave linux to the semi-literate

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Nostahl:

hrmm there is no mysql in etc/init.d

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Nostahl:

brb

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iamlindoro:

Nice, very geek squad move, restart services with a reboot

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iamlindoro:

$5 says he's trying to restart mysql on the *frontend* instead of the backend

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tank-man:

restarting is a 'windows' move

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stoneymonster:

I restarted everything by typing rm -rf * /

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stoneymonster:

now I can't login...

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stoneymonster:

should I reboot

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Nostahl:

got it running

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JohnMahowald:

stoneymonster: If that was serious, you have a lot more to worry about than not logging in. Like how to replace the data you lost.

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stoneymonster:

not serious

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stoneymonster:

riffing on previous conversation ;)

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devicenull:

the internal player does not handle mkv files very well, does it?

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devicenull:

or is there something else I need to do other then adding it as a file extension?

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devicenull:

it seems I have a whole bunch of compression artifacts, plus it acts like crappy digital tv when I try to watch it..

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devicenull:

none of which happens when I use vlc to watch it

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Dagmar:

So then either a) file a bug report or b) use VLC to play them, or c) aboth

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cesman:

devicenull: handles them well here...

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devicenull:

cesman: was there anything special you needed to do to set them up?

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cesman:

nope

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devicenull:

hmm

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devicenull:

what version are you using?

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cesman:

0.21-fixes

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Nostahl:

hrmm so looks like i just have to setup the path to the movies on the other computer

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Nostahl:

and the frontend is set

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devicenull:

what ffmpeg version? I think that's what the internal player uses?

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nerdzyboy:

I am having trouble with fetching channels with an SA4250HD stb. When I go in mythtv-setup's input configuration and press on the fetch channels from listing source, nothing happens...

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nerdzyboy:

does anyone have any idea how to solve this problem?

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cesman:

assuming you are running mythtv-setup from an xterm, <alt><tab> and check the output...

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nerdzyboy:

sec

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nerdzyboy:

"source 1 configured to use only the broadcasted guide data. Skipping."\n"Data fetching complete."

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nerdzyboy:

how do I make it detect the channels?

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cesman:

My guess based on that message would be that would check "EIT" in the tuner setup

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nerdzyboy:

tuner setup? you mean capture card?

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nerdzyboy:

is there a way to not configure channels and make mythtv display/record what the stb is outputting? (changing channels with the stb remote)

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cesman:

how can myth record if you don't configure channels?

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iamlindoro:

nerdzyboy: You have set it up to use on-air listings only, but you can't do that through the box-- are you using firewire and expecting that it can somehow fetch listings from the box? If so, it doesn't work that way.

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iamlindoro:

you need to set up an actual listings source like Schedules Direct

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nerdzyboy:

is there any other source besides Schedules Direct?

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nerdzyboy:

I dont have an account for Schedules Direct...

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cesman:

if you are in North America, no

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iamlindoro:

So create one, it is *not* expensive

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nerdzyboy:

and yes, I am using firewire

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iamlindoro:

you can't somehow fetch listings off the box

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nerdzyboy:

but can I have mythtv only display/record the current channel on the stb? (not having mythtv control the channels)

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brewmaster:

hey all, i have a mythtv box connected to an crt tv, and i want to start capturing some over the air digital television with a hauppage hvr 1600 card, the question is if i need a digital to analog converter for my tv to handle it?

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brewmaster:

or does my video card already do that for me?

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iamlindoro:

brewmaster: You are misunderstanding what the analog shutoff means. The HVR-1600 is a digital tuner, it will capture the digital OTA streams just fine. The output of your video card to your TV has nothing to do with the analog shutoff.

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nerdzyboy:

also, I tried defining a couple of channels by hand but it didnt seem to work...

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iamlindoro:

nerdzyboy: Myth will happily record the output of your set top box without knowing what channel it is on, but that renders useless all the functionality. You really need to set up a proper SD account, it is less than a nickel a day for a whole year, and you get a free week to try it out with paying anyway.

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nerdzyboy:

iamlindoro, and how would I configure the input to get it to display the output of the stb?

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iamlindoro:

If you can afford the many hundreds of dollars in equipment *and* a cable subscription, you can affor $20 for a year of listings

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brewmaster:

iamlindoro, okay, so i guess the question is can i view digital content on my analog tv when it goes through my mythtv box?

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iamlindoro:

brewmaster: As I have already said, the digital signal you are speaking of is only relevant up until the moment it has been captured, at that point, if your video card has a video out that your TV also has, then what you are displaying through it is irrelevant

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nerdzyboy:

iamlindoro, I want to make sure my setup is working before registering for channel listings...

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iamlindoro:

nerdzyboy: Then get an account, and set it up properly in the free week, it's not like you have to give credit card info

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nerdzyboy:

On windows with firestb drivers I could not record properly (I was getiing a lot of mosaic)

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iamlindoro:

This ain't windows

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nerdzyboy:

I just want to see if mythtv on linux can do better...

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brewmaster:

iamlindoro, thanks, my nvidia card has an s-video out, so i shouldn't have any problems.

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iamlindoro:

brewmaster: correct

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hadees:

any suggestions on how to setup the file system for a large raid 5 media center? I have 6 terabytes for holding dvd isos.

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nerdzyboy:

so I'd like to see mythtv display video before anything else...

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hadees:

they are going to be played through mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

hadees: xfs and jfs both seem popular, but ext is fine too

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hadees:

over the network

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hadees:

iamlindoro, are xfs and jfs stable enough?

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hadees:

i know for large data i should do some mods on the standard setup of ext

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hadees:

like not as many nodes

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iamlindoro:

nerdzyboy: I will not keep repeating myself, you can set it up *properly* for free, without giving any financial or personal information, for a week, so if you don't want to do that then you can figure it out on your own.

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iamlindoro:

hadees: I have used default ext3 settings on a 8 TB array without issue. XFS and JFS are plenty stable, yes.

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hadees:

really? didn't that eat up a lot of room just for the ext3 stuff?

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iamlindoro:

hadees: nope, not that much room. When you're talking about multiple terabytes you can certainly afford to lose a few gigs to the journal.

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Dagmar:

This is true.

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nerdzyboy:

and why can't I use the channels I have defined by hand?

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Dagmar:

It's the slow deletion time that makes ext3 somewhat undesireable.

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Dagmar:

nerdyboy: Probably because you defined them wrong.

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iamlindoro:

nerdzyboy: Because you did it wrong, and there's no point in us teaching you how to set it up incorrectly

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Dagmar:

s/defined/are doing it/;

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JohnMahowald:

If it's just a tuner test, fire up live TV. Who cares what show it is.

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iamlindoro:

If it's just a tuner test *and* he were following the firewire setup documentation, he wouldn't need to touch myth at all to test his ability to record from the STB

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hadees:

so is there any kind of consensus on the file system or is just personal choice?

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JohnMahowald:

Open source is always about choice.

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iamlindoro:

he'd already *know* he could record or not based on the output ofr firewire_tester and test-mpeg2

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iamlindoro:

But since he doesn't seem keen on reading the available resources he can go on creating broken channels :)

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Dagmar:

hadees: It says on the wiki, but mainly xfs or jfs are preferred

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atrus:

hrm. mythtv stopped working some time in the past couple hours. attempting to watch live tv results in a black screen for some time, with mythfrontend reporting: http://pastebin.ca/1058695 . Any idea what might be up?

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nerdzyboy:

iamlindoro, I did follow the guide except for the grabber part, because I dont care about the grabber... I just want an easy way to record tv...

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Dagmar:

Have you restarted the frontend?

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Dagmar:

What have you done to test the thing?

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atrus:

Dagmar: the front

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atrus:

sorry, the front-end, the backend, and in desperation the mysql server.

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Dagmar:

nerdzyboy: you can stop right now then. Nothing about MythTv is "easy"

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iamlindoro:

nerdzyboy: So what output did you see with firewire_tester and test-mpeg2 if you were following the firewire docs, hmmmmm?

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Dagmar:

atrus: It worked before from a cold-powered-off condition, right?

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nerdzyboy:

sec

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atrus:

Dagmar: it did. and it's worked since the last reboot.

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Dagmar:

So it's working now then?

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atrus:

nope.

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Dagmar:

Have you rebooted it?

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Dagmar:

...as in powered it completely down, and then started it back up?

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iamlindoro:

nerdzyboy: Because, once again, you don't *need* myth to test whether firewire capture works, you only need test-mpeg2. And if you can record with that, then it will work in myth too. But *I* believe you haven't tried test-mpeg2, because you haven't been following the firewire documentation. And if you *have*, then you know it will work in myth, and you can SET IT UP PROPERLY AND STOP CREATING BROKEN CHANNELS

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atrus:

i'm trying to avoid that, as there's some other things running on that machine... i've reloaded the pvrusb2 kernel module.

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Dagmar:

atrus: Well, let me put this another way. A more obvious way.

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brewmaster:

iamlindoro, is there any digital tuner you would recommend for a linux box?

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Dagmar:

If you've made NO software changes, and the behaviour of the machine has changed, and restarting the software hasn't fixed it...

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Dagmar:

...then it's time to restart the hardware

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Dagmar:

If you made no software changes, then a hardware change has taken place.

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iamlindoro:

brewmaster: that 1600 your are talking about will work fine. KWorld 110 and 115 work well, HDHomeRun, pcHDTV 5500, all popular and good choices

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nerdzyboy:

you know what, iamlindoro, you're really being disrespectful and rude, and that's a shame for a supprt channel...

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iamlindoro:

nerdzyboy: Oh, I guess they should dock my pay then

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Dagmar:

nerdzyboy: Yes. It's a support channel. It's not a "ask the questions you're too lazy to figure out yourself" channel

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iamlindoro:

oh wait, nobody's paying me and nobody else is begging to help you, so I guess you can fuck right off then

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iamlindoro:

PS, you can have all the respect you EARN

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nerdzyboy:

see, that's exactly what I meant... I haven't been disrespectful to you in any way

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Dagmar:

atrus: On general principle, anything important should always be configured to resume normal operation from a cold boot.

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Dagmar:

nerdzyboy: Smoke less pot, man.

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nerdzyboy:

what?

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iamlindoro:

ignoring the right answers again and again because you don't like that you have to do things a different way *is* rude

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iamlindoro:

Set it up right, and don't expect us to fall all over ourselves helping you do it wrong

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Dagmar:

Smoke less pot. Or smack. Or hash. Or whatever it is that's distorting your view of reality.

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atrus:

Dagmar: yeah, and it has been. i don't want this to be a machine i have to reboot every couple days to keep working.

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Dagmar:

atrus: Well, the odds are you're about to have to replace some hardware. :/

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Dagmar:

...after that you're not likely to have to reboot it again.

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Dagmar:

THat log output doesn't really say a whole lot that's useful.

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Dagmar:

You might do better next time to start it with "-v important" at the end.

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atrus:

Dagmar: is there something else that would be worth looking at? i just don't see anything else indicating there's any hardware issue.

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atrus:

will try, thanks.

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Dagmar:

You also probably want to make sure you're using the latest Intel video driever

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Dagmar:

atrus: I'd hazard that if you're not using the latest version of the Intel video driver, that's likely what's falling off the truck, so to speak

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atrus:

hrm. now it's playing, but skipping heavily. plays a quarter-second of audio, hits a "WriteAudio: buffer underrun \n NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.", pauses a couple seconds, and repeats.

[02:52:40]

Dagmar:

That's after a cold reboot? That's really not good.

[02:52:41]

atrus:

Dagmar: hmm. running whatever's current in hardy.

[02:52:45]

Dagmar:

Look at dmesg output very carefully

[02:53:05]

atrus:

Dagmar: no, i haven't rebooted. among other things i'm ircing through that machine, so you'll know when i go. :)

[02:54:07]

Dagmar:

Find a rubber chicken.

[02:55:14]

atrus:

literally nothing new in dmesg of the frontend machine or the backend machine since I last reloaded modules & restarted the frontend/backend

[02:55:28]

atrus:

Dagmar: hm?

[02:55:51]

Dagmar:

Find a rubber chicken.

[02:55:56]

Dagmar:

Shake it over the computer.

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atrus:

if you're making a joke i'm afraid i don't follow

[02:56:51]

iamlindoro:

USE Rubber Chicken ON cable leading to Island

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Dagmar:

If you've done all their is to restart the software, and it's not having any effect, and you won't restart the hardware, that leaves only magic.

[02:57:03]

iamlindoro:

GET Idol

[02:57:03]

atrus:

but i think i'm out of ideas short of rebooting, so i'll give that a shot.

[02:57:07]

Dagmar:

So, find a rubber chicken and shake it over the machine.

[02:57:22]

iamlindoro:

Hello, I'm selling these fine leather jackets.

[02:57:31]

iamlindoro:

How appropriate, you fight like a cow

[02:57:35]

iamlindoro:

Ask me about LOOM!

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Dagmar:

It's not like ther'es some magic command line thing to make the system work, when it is supposedly in a working configuration to begin with.

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atrus:

well yeah, but when only one application is misbehaving i tend to look at that first...

[02:58:25]

atrus:

anyways, i'll be back in a moment.

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Dagmar:

Only one application is highly dependent on both the video and audio drivers.

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iamlindoro:

It's a sad say when you can go around quoting Monkey Island and nobody responds. A sad day indeed.

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Dagmar:

...and i'll bet you haven't exported any of those recordings to some other machine to see if you're actually getting recordings

[03:03:33]

** iamlindoro eats a baby **

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iamlindoro:

Not because it tastes good, but just to go along with my general villainy per the newbies

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atrus:

rebooted the backend, and ran memtest 86 for a while (no errors)

[03:28:50]

atrus:

trying the frontend.

[03:35:26]

atrus:

(i should clarify, after rebooting the backend the problem persisted)

[03:35:34]

Dagmar:

ware: Only in the "sub-par asian games of questionable translation" category

[03:36:16]

atrus:

Dagmar: yeah, same skipping & errors from the front-end.

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atrus:

hmm. i'm not getting alot of speed off of it on the network. that machine used to be my wireless access point (and the front-end connected wirelessly). Now i'm going through a wrt54gl w/tomato, with the myth backend on a lan port and the frontend wireless.

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atrus:

i'm pretty sure i have my next thing to look at anyways, thanks.

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Dagmar:

I blame the network.

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Dagmar:

Wireless links do not a stable connection make, unless you live where I do.

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Dagmar:

My only real competition is hte pacemakers, and so far I think my access point is winning.

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abarbaccia:

hey guys – i tried playing back a mkv file today and it wouldn't work under the internal player but worked fine in xine – is this known?

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abarbaccia:

Dagmar: that's so evil.

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iamlindoro:

abarbaccia: Define "wouldn't work." MKV is just a container and myth can parse it fine. Codecs are generally more important. Also, running mythfrontend -v playback would give more into.

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abarbaccia:

iamlindoro so its spitting out a lot like this: Video is 24.12313 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up

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atrus:

rebooted the router, and everything's cool again. something to keep an eye on i guess.

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abarbaccia:

iamlindoro VideoOutputXv: No suitable XVideo port found

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lanuser:

What's it take to get FireWire support with configure? I have all the 1394 dev packages that I could find installed already to no avail

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abarbaccia:

im starting to think this has something to do with fglrx and xv

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lanuser:

sorry, figured it out, it was libiec61883-dev

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k-man_:

how can i build a low nouise small footprint myth frontend?

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k-man_:

ie, is there any recommended hardware for that?

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cesman:

k-man_: you may have to search a bit but... http://knoppmyth.net/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=8

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Shonky:

There's heaps of choices for quiet hardware these days

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mits_coon:

I made a mistake and am looking for advice on repairing the situation. I've got a backend with no card in it, there purely for the fact that it runs the mysql and does the commercial flag jobs.

[07:32:21]

mits_coon:

I just tried to switch my backend with the card in it to be a different machine, but the new one doesn't seem to be able to fully communicate with the master backend

[07:32:51]

mits_coon:

when I set up the card, that works fine, but when I try to map the source to the input the source is missing from the list

[07:33:07]

mits_coon:

running mythtv-setup on the master backend does show the source though

[07:33:30]

mits_coon:

Anyone run into this, perhaps have input on how I can remedy it?

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mits_coon:

that was apparently my fault for not configuring mysql.txt right... weird

[08:14:00]

mits_coon:

now I've got two recordings in my list that are long gone... not sure what's up with that, and I can't watch live TV either

[08:14:12]

mits_coon:

though, I bet the live TV is cause I'm connecting to the wrong backend or something weird

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waxhead_:

ah ha!!!! i tink I have found the cause of my problems with the remote...

[08:31:17]

mits_coon:

and I think I got mine... it doesn't throw any errors saying permissions error, but it is

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waxhead_:

OK, what's the go here.. irtserver is running, I can see this sort of thing: [0.0] epg mediacenter

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waxhead_:

on mythbuntu, where should I have the lircrc file?

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waxhead_:

hey Ace2016

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Ace2016:

hey

[09:13:54]

waxhead_:

I'm starting to get somewhere with the remote!

[09:14:00]

waxhead_:

problem is I'm not sure where!

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Ace2016:

is it detected?

[09:14:11]

waxhead_:

it's getting a remote config file from somewhere... :(

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Ace2016:

look at /etc/lircd.conf, it should have an include line with the remote its using

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waxhead_:

Ace2016: I'm using irtrans...

[09:15:19]

waxhead_:

I'm not sure if it's used is it?

[09:15:33]

waxhead_:

are you using irtrans?

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waxhead_:

I have to use irserver

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Ace2016:

oh

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Ace2016:

never got this working: irreord --device=/dev/lirc0 /etc/lircd.conf

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Ace2016:

?

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waxhead_:

/usr/sbin/irserver -debug_code -loglevel 4 /dev/ttyUSB0

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waxhead_:

starts, and then when I press the buttons... [0.0] yellow mediacenter

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waxhead_:

so something is working...

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Ace2016:

this howto says you need to run irclient and go into learn mode, getting the link now

[09:20:48]

Ace2016:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304807

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waxhead_:

Ace2016: thanks... got it open now...

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waxhead_:

but doesn't that just create a .rem file?

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waxhead_:

already got one, which is why I guess the irserver can work out the codes to names...

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Ace2016:

no idea, i've never used irtrans, i just googled it

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Ace2016:

but it might not be setup correctly for your remote

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emja:

anyone here know how accurate mythtv's EPG is in .au?

[09:39:39]

emja:

i've been using myth for a few years, but only for dvd caching – never for tv as such.

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gbee:

about as accurate as the printed TV guides I'm told, i.e. you're at the mercy of the broadcasters who don't own a watch

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justinh:

mythtv doesnt have any EPG data ;)

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justinh:

you get it from your EPG data provider :P

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justinh:

anyway I thought EIT data was live in .au nowadays

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gbee:

guessing only our Aussie users can answer the question properly, e.g. rooaus

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justinh:

last I heard, Aussie TV guide data was about as accurate as a train timetable in the UK :P

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waxhead_:

what do you want to know?

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waxhead_:

I'm using shepherd to get EPG data...

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waxhead_:

most channel broadcast EPG data, but not very reliably though...

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gbee:

are most .au users still using some complicated method to get guide data instead of using a compliant xmltv grabber?

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justinh:

gbee: I think Shepherd is the contrivance most people use still

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k-man:

do any motherboards come with s-video out these days?

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cskowronnek:

maybe there are some old ones with intel gpus onboard

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cskowronnek:

but I think there's no need for s-video out these days?

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gbee:

k-man: some come with headers on the board to attach a simple s-video/composite or possibly component bracket

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k-man:

gbee, yeah, thats what I'm after but any idea what to search for on newegg?

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gbee:

e.g. the MSI K9AGM3-FIH

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gbee:

brackets are hard to find, but _very_ easy to build if you've got a soldering iron and a handy electronic components store nearby

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k-man:

brackets?

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waxhead_:

gbee: yep, I would say so...

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k-man:

gbee, what do you mean?

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rooaus:

emja: I don't use EIT, but since the beginning of this year they are broadcasting approximately 1 week of data. I setup a test at work and had noticed some holes in the data occasionally.

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gbee:

k-man: boards generally aren't supplied with the actual s-video socket, just a connection point on the board, you either buy or build one and plug it in

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waxhead_:

with the lircrc is the button value case sensitive?

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gbee:

the 'bracket' just holds the socket and exposes it to the outside of the case through an empty PCI slot opening – the bracket bit isn't really required, just the actual scoket/wiring

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gbee:

k-man: looks like this – http://www.vidabox.com/shop/index.php?main_pa . . . oducts_id=47

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justinh:

no need for svideo. pfft

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emja:

oops.. no traffic in here for ages, I ask a qn and walk away for a few minutes and heaps of traffic. heh

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emja:

sorry guys

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waxhead_:

man.. this remote caper is driving me nuts!

[10:04:38]

emja:

anyway, I'm a little lost. what is EIT?

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emja:

I've been told by other myth users (in .au) that the EPG is extremely unreliable

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justinh:

EIT is EPG data digital TV users get over the air

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emja:

justinh: righto. thx

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justinh:

the data is spot on. it's the broadcasters who are unreliable!

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gbee:

of course you can buy that one instead of making your own. Cost me about £1.50 to make, S-video socket, header plug and heat shrink cable cover, wire I nicked from an old cooling fan)

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emja:

heh. ok. fair point

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justinh:

from what I've heard about .au TV they might aswell just say "sometime on Tuesday" rather than Tuesday, 8pm

[10:06:37]

justinh:

or "maybe next week"

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emja:

justinh: I haven't watched live-tv in 15 yrs, but I'm hearing the same from other people

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gbee:

as you'll probably know, there are no real set times for programmes to run in .au, they might say 7pm in the TV guide but it could start anywhere between 6.30 and 7.30 or worse

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justinh:

gbee: btw my wife went beserk with recording stuff on saturday – 11 simultaneous recordings & no slip-ups :D

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gbee:

heh, coo

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waxhead_:

11!! how the hell do you do that???

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justinh:

eat that, Sky!

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gbee:

l

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gbee:

waxhead_: with DVB

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emja:

the problem here is that I want to provide a quote/proposal to an organisation who want a mythtv (or similar) setup, and it *must* be 95%+ accurate re skipping commercials and maintaining schedule

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emja:

justinh: 11? awesome

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waxhead_:

dvb? like cable?

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gbee:

no, as in digital Terrestrial, Cable or Satellite

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justinh:

emja: you might be onto a loser there, then

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emja:

justinh: did you have IO problems? what's your system config (hdd, raid, etc)?

[10:08:49]

emja:

yeah, might be

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justinh:

no raid. pfft

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waxhead_:

I have dvbt, but can only do 2 similtaneous...

[10:09:03]

waxhead_:

dual tuner on a card...

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justinh:

each show is only 2.5mbits/sec max

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emja:

so no HD?

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justinh:

no HD in my house yet, but there are only 2 FTA HD channels anyway

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gbee:

waxhead_: you can do more, if you go into mythtv-setup and increase the number of virtual tuners for each card (assuming 0.21)

[10:09:53]

waxhead_:

HD here...

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waxhead_:

No way!! Really!

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gbee:

3, but Luxe HD probably doesn't count

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justinh:

heh

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waxhead_:

sweet! I'll try it out...

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justinh:

bet Glastonbury was in HD though

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emja:

this system I'm spec'ing will have three dual tuner cards

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gbee:

waxhead_: there are restrictions, channels must be on the same multiplex

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waxhead_:

gbee: yep.. got it.. only got 1 that does that..

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justinh:

went to watch Top Gear last night as it was still recording & saw 'this recording is not yet available'. like wtf?

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justinh:

it became available eventually

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waxhead_:

FSCK... this remote caper is nuts!

[10:11:13]

waxhead_:

so close!!!

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gbee:

justinh: yeah, there is an issue there – there have been some attempts to fix it in trunk but I don't think they were backported

[10:12:11]

justinh:

locking the recordedmarkup table or something?

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gbee:

simply that playback box isn't being updated about changes in recording status

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justinh:

ah

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gbee:

exiting the watch recordings screen and re-entering would fix it

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justinh:

yeah that's what I did

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gbee:

but there is no signal which tells playbackbox that the status has changed, there is a brief period where a recording has started but the file isn't created or doesn't contain enough data yet – it gets stuck in that state some times until a refresh is forced

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gbee:

AFK

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waxhead_:

simple question for the night, where do I get the visualisatoins for music from?

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eNeRGi:

~/window 19

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eNeRGi:

oops :P

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directhex:

http://pastebin.com/m325f92ef

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k-man:

gbee, i see, thanks (re s-video socket)

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k-man:

gbee, so how can you tell if a motherboard has the header for svideo out from newegg? (or similar site?)

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justinh:

hmmm. nah I'm not enough of a git to spoil DW for all the US fans

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waxhead_:

I'm lost!!!

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waxhead_:

WTF is going on here...

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sid3windr:

DW?

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waxhead_:

irserver loads, It's seeing the remote file... but nothing works...

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waxhead_:

what user should the lircrc file sit in?

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gbee:

k-man: if the site you are buying from doesn't list tv-out as a feature of the boards, then you could look at the manufacturers websites until you find something suitable

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gbee:

the MSI board I mentioned earlier includes the header though and it works very well, it's what I've put in my new fe

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gbee:

the advantage of that particular model is that it also includes HDMI so you don't need a new board when you get a HD tv

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waxhead_:

do I need to turn on anything in mythtv setup or anythign like that to know that it has a remote ?

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directhex:

if it's a LIRC remote, then yes, you need a lircrc file, and lirc support compiled into myth

[11:09:36]

directhex:

if it's a keyboard-emulating remote, then no, because it's emulating a keyboard

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waxhead_:

it's an irtrans remote...

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waxhead_:

which uses bits of lirc.. I believe..

[11:11:24]

waxhead_:

but it's got my stuffed how to get it to work... the remote side of things looks right now..

[11:11:34]

waxhead_:

do I need to restart myth or something?

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directhex:

does your frontend user have a ~/.mythtv/lircrc file, mapping remote buttons to keyboard equivalents?

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CatPasswd:

aha

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CatPasswd:

I just had a ~/.lircrc

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rooaus:

waxhead_: How did you install irserver? Did you use the latest version from the website that includes an installer now?

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waxhead_:

and back...

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waxhead_:

sheesh...

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justinh:

sid3windr: Doctor Who

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rooaus:

(21:29:31) rooaus: waxhead_: How did you install irserver? Did you use the latest version from the website that includes an installer now?

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waxhead_:

rooaus:

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waxhead_:

rooaus: sorry.. .

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waxhead_:

rooaus: sort of..

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waxhead_:

I read the installer and did it myself...

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rooaus:

did you create the "remotes" directory? I had troubles until i created it.

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waxhead_:

rooaus: yep... did that..

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waxhead_:

do I still need a /etc/lircd.conf?

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rooaus:

no, irserver creates the /dev/lircd and replaces lircd.

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waxhead_:

/dev/lircd currently exists...

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waxhead_:

/usr/sbin/irserver -loglevel 4 /dev/ttyUSB0

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rooaus:

Basically irserver replaces the lircd daemon, you then use a lirc client to connect to it. You do need to learn your remote codes though.

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waxhead_:

rooaus: done the learning bit...

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rooaus:

have you tried "irw"?

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waxhead_:

I have a remote in /usr/local/share/irtrans/remotes/mce.rem

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waxhead_:

Nope.. forgot about that one...

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waxhead_:

7500c38010000000 00 left mce-pete

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waxhead_:

that's irw...

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waxhead_:

so it looks right...

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rooaus:

that is good then :)

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waxhead_:

rooaus: yeah...

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waxhead_:

so why can't I get it to change channels? :)

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justinh:

OMG. Ableton can use video too :-O

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rooaus:

have you setup a ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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waxhead_:

7500c38023000000 00 chandown mce-pete

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waxhead_:

rooaus: button = ChanDown

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waxhead_:

rooaus: config = Down

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waxhead_:

that's from /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc

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rooaus:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1058955 is my lircrc, probably needs a clean up

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CatPasswd:

Or you can build one. http://lircconfig.commandir.com/

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rooaus:

waxhead_: got to ask... did you restart mythfrontend?

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waxhead_:

rooaus: thanks.. just grabbed it.. on the phone now!

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waxhead_:

rooaus: no I didn't.. do I need to do that?

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sid3windr:

justinh: ah :)

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rooaus:

the frontend needs to be restarted if lirc or irserver was restarted etc.

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waxhead_:

rooaus: right.. didn't know what one..

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waxhead_:

and just found a big AH HA... with your config too..

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waxhead_:

will give it a crack...

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rooaus:

cool, also check that "mythfrontend --version" shows using_lirc in it's output.

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waxhead_:

rooaus: yes it is...

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waxhead_:

rooaus: how come you don't have a remote name in your lircrc file?

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rooaus:

dont know, set that up years ago, does not seem to require it. I only use 1 remote with the receiver so maybe it is not needed.

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gbee:

waxhead_: it's only required if you have multiple remotes or remote definitions

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waxhead_:

Ok.. thanks..

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gbee:

if you are using an IR blaster for example along with a remote then you need to specify the name

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waxhead_:

so I have to restart mythfontend when I change all this?

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gbee:

or if you've got two remotes defined and only want one to control certain actions in myth ...

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gbee:

waxhead_: yeah

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waxhead_:

right... now that's a bit odd...

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waxhead_:

here I was expecting it to be /home/mythtv for the lirrc file, and it appears from the log file it's my user name

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rooaus:

waxhead_: It is the homedir of the user that mythfrontend is run as.

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waxhead_:

rooaus: I'm running mythbuntu...

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waxhead_:

I assumed it was logging in with mythtv user...

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rooaus:

ah, only briefly looked at mythbuntu.

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waxhead_:

no freakin way!

[12:24:00]

waxhead_:

rooaus: it's working!

[12:24:06]

waxhead_:

that's awesome...

[12:24:20]

waxhead_:

awesomely stupid things on my behalf though.. :(

[12:25:02]

rooaus:

Better than awesomely complicated things that you can't solve.

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waxhead_:

I really should document it on the wiki...

[12:26:49]

waxhead_:

honestly... it's was such silly things..

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rooaus:

waxhead_: not a bad idea. Did you get the irtans in a case or on it's own?

[12:29:16]

rooaus:

s/it's/its (sorry junstinh)

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waxhead_:

rooaus: in a case.. origen x15e

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rooaus:

:D I have an X11. How is the inbuilt display?

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waxhead_:

rooaus: I haven't got the lcd working yet.. what's your lcd like?

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waxhead_:

rooaus: it's a touchscreen too...

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rooaus:

The VFD is nearly useless as it is not large enough to be seen from a distance, I only have the time on it and don't worry about lcdproc.

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rooaus:

waxhead_: When the mythui port is complete the touchscreen should be nice, mythui will have much improved mouse/touchscreen support.

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waxhead_:

rooaus: what size lcd screen do you have?

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waxhead_:

it handles 1024*768

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rooaus:

The VFD in the case is 2 line x 20 chars (I think) but got it hooked up via hdmi to a lcd tv runnning at 1280x720p.

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waxhead_:

rooaus: no, the LCD screen in the case handles 1024*768...

[12:50:23]

waxhead_:

rooaus: http://www.origenae.com/en/htpc_x15e.htm

[12:50:45]

waxhead_:

I'd like to get the LCD working as it means I don't have to turn the TV on to get music etc...

[12:51:05]

waxhead_:

but given that I had so much trouble with the remote, I might let it go for a while.. :)

[12:53:02]

waxhead_:

rooaus: does volume control through myth tv work for you?

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k-man:

gbee, right, good point

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rooaus:

waxhead_: I use alsa and spdif out so the volume control doesn't work on my main frontend. But it works fine on my laptop which I use for testing etc.

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toad_:

anyone help with mythweb? i've put Order allow,deny Allow from 127.0.0.1/8 Allow from 192.168.1.7/24 ... in /etc/mythtv/mythweb-htaccess and /etc/mythtv/mythweb.conf ... and it still accepts connections from the open web. what's wrong?

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waxhead_:

rooaus: thanks.. same as my main one..

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waxhead_:

well.. it's a good night.. got a working remote..

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rooaus:

np

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toad_:

my job queue lists many transcodes as "Errored" ...

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toad_:

is it possible that this is because they were already transcoded? (I use a script to force transcoding, it's possible there was duplication...)

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toad_:

hmmm, it's the right size to have been transcoded...

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waxhead_:

night everyone

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toad_:

due to an accident while installing a new hard drive, a few of my myth recordings have data corruption which causes the frontend to either hang completely or crash back to the recordings screen at specific fixed points in the recording ... is there any way to detect this automatically in bulk with a script?

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toad_:

it doesn't cause visual artefacts ... the frontend normally recovers from them ... it just freezes up

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** toad_ supposes upgrading the frontend would be a good place to start :) **

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justinh:

http://traktorizer.de.vu/

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justinh:

bugger

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justinh:

heh. lugradio are soon to be hanging up their oggies

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directhex:

?

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justinh:

they're calling it a day after LRL

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mcquaid:

ok i have that issue using opengl with nvidia (in ubuntu hardy) where a video will usually work the first time, but every try after that results in audio but no video

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mcquaid:

usually required to exit restart. i read it's a nvidia issue, i upgraded to 173 instead of 169 which is the default from hardy and still have the same issue

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mcquaid:

anyone else dealing with this?

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thansen|laptop:

anyone successfully get xvmc working with i965?

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justinh:

http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2008-June/035886.html

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justinh:

thansen|laptop: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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justinh:

not that intel's xvmc (or indeed ANY xvmc) is even worth having

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thansen|laptop:

justinh: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#Intel_Chipsets

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justinh:

duh. it's still not worth having!

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justinh:

and personally I'll take the word of the xorg mailing list over the mythtv wiki any day

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directhex:

justinh, as if someone @intel.com has a clue

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justinh:

as if the wiki editors are all clued up

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justinh:

anyway all this is beside the point. there is no real reason to use xvmc

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justinh:

if your box is new enough to have the i965 controller, you can put a proper CPU on it :)

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justinh:

anyway just looked in the latest intel driver source... seems i965 has xvmc support

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EvilGuru:

But when I tried it a few months ago it kept dropping out

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EvilGuru:

(might go 10–15 minutes, then boom), but I read that it has been fixed in a newer kernel version

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EvilGuru:

So I just got a Nova-T and left it at that. Guess it is time to give it another shot

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xand:

I have one, works fine... except one mux on one tuner gets really bad signal sometimes

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yianni:

hello, in opensuse 10.3, after updating from packman repository to newest packages, only TV and Setup appear in menu.

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yianni:

Can someone help me, please?

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yianni:

hello, in opensuse 10.3, after updating from packman repository to newest packages, only TV and Setup appear in menu. Can someone help me, please?

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yianni:

All the other menu items (music, weather, video, etc) have disappeared.

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justinh:

you need to update the mythtv plugins packages too

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yianni:

I have updated everything in *myth* through yast --> software.

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yianni:

for example, mythvideo is in 0.21–13 version

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joomla_user:

isn't that a opensuse problem and not mythtv

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yianni:

why should it be an opensuse problem? I only updated the mythtv packages.

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yianni:

are the menu entries created dynamically? I am trying to find if it is a database problem or an .xml problem

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GreyFoxx:

yes they are dynamic

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GreyFoxx:

entries for plugins are not shown if mythfrontend cann't detect or load the plugin libraries

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GreyFoxx:

that occurs if they are not where mythfrontend is looking for them, or if they are mismatched versions

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GreyFoxx:

both are packaging issues

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yianni:

Thank you, GreyFoxx. I see that libmyth is 0.21–10 version, whilst mythvideo, is in 0.21–13. Do you think this is the problem?

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GreyFoxx:

If you look at the output of mythfrontend when run from an xterm it will tell you if it's failing to load them (which means verison mismatch). If it says nothing about them, then it can't find them in the proper location

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GreyFoxx:

Packagers regularly shove stuff in different places so it's likely just looking in the wrong place

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iamlindoro__:

SUSE in particular seems allergic to operational Myth setups

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yianni:

iamindoro, your comment would be funny if it wasn't my problem!!!

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GreyFoxx:

they disable bit sof the code too don't they ?

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GreyFoxx:

certain codecs or something ?

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yianni:

I turned to suse because knoppmyth would crash loading saa7134-alsa module. Suse loaded it without a single problem/

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yianni:

mythfrontend doesn't complain about any plugins. Is this good or bad?

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GreyFoxx:

Means it can't see the plugin libs

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yianni:

The codecs are available for download

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yianni:

Would symlinks solve the problem?

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GreyFoxx:

which means your mythtv package and your mythplugins package are likely placing stuff in different locations

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yianni:

GRRReat/

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GreyFoxx:

I'd suggest ensuring you have matching versions of the packages

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yianni:

Yes, unfortunately the only versions available in the packman repositories for suse are the ones I've updated to.

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yianni:

There are two flavours installed now. 0.21–10 and 0.21–13. All the plugins are -13.

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yianni:

Could it be the "lucky" number?

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GreyFoxx:

Anything is possible

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GreyFoxx:

I generally avoid packages of most things so I don't know specifically which is your problem :)

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yianni:

What distribution do you use?

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BULLE:

yianni: fedora and ubuntu

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GreyFoxx:

yian: Slackware

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yianni:

I use SuSE since before Novell. I guess i got hooked by yast!

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BULLE:

i used suse a little, but when novell came into bussines, and their patent deal with ms, i just said no to it all

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eNeRGi:

yianni: yeah, I asked about that problem last night as well

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eNeRGi:

it seems to be a problem with timing

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eNeRGi:

can't understand why packman hasn't rebuilt the packages yet though

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eNeRGi:

apparently the prefix was wrong in the 0.21-fixes branch (so I was told)

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eNeRGi:

so that the plugins can't be found

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yianni:

Lucky us.

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eNeRGi:

the way I got around it (for now) was to download the src.rpm and rebuild that

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eNeRGi:

version 0.21–9 that is

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yianni:

Can you give me a link?

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eNeRGi:

it's on the packman pages

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eNeRGi:

hold on

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eNeRGi:

http://packman.links2linux.org/downloadsource . . . 21-9.src.rpm

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eNeRGi:

not sure if you need to rebuild the plugin rpms as well

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eNeRGi:

I did, and I didn't want to start fiddling with it once I got it working again :)

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eNeRGi:

but I _think_ that it would work with the newest plugin packages as well

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yianni:

sorry, do you mean that you rebuilt the plugins as well?

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eNeRGi:

I did, but I don't think it's neccessary

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yianni:

ah, ok.

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eNeRGi:

I just did it all in one go, and when it worked I just left it like that

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eNeRGi:

(I used the 0.21–11 version of the plugins)

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yianni:

Thank you very much, eNeRGi. I will try your solution.

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eNeRGi:

which if I remember correctly was paired with 0.21–9 of the mythtv packages

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eNeRGi:

at least they were released at almost the same time

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eNeRGi:

so it sounds about right

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eNeRGi:

yianni: no problem, I've been cursing myself the past week for not locking the mythtv packages once they worked :)

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eNeRGi:

iamlindoro__: as for allergies, this is the first time I've had this problem with suse 10.3 at least

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eNeRGi:

I did have it with 0.20 and suse 10.x though

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eNeRGi:

every once in a while

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eNeRGi:

I think the biggest problem is that packman obviously doesn't use mythtv himself

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yianni:

You know, every time i do NOT backup before updates I regret it. It's almost an axiom!!!

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eNeRGi:

so he doesn't notice when stuff doesn't work

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eNeRGi:

yianni: :)

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yianni:

lol

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yianni:

I guess I am addicted to updating. Always looking for something better, more functional.

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eNeRGi:

I have the same problem

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eNeRGi:

:)

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jwacalex:

Hi

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jwacalex:

if i want to run a scan i don't work, it only says "failed to setup diseqc device"

[17:38:54]

jwacalex:

i've selected "LNB" but after the scan, it shows unconnected

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EvilGuru:

Okay, Nova-T 500 in; now just need to wait to see if it goes ga-ga

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sebrock_:

Im trying to get lirc to work on suspend. ie shutting down nicly and then resuming upon poweron again. using lirc_imon and lirc_dev. Anyone with similar problems

[17:47:45]

EvilGuru:

http://pastebin.com/m2bd56ea2 — doesn't seem to healthy

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EvilGuru:

I'll try it in a different PCI slot (maybe it doesn't like PCI-X ones)

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EvilGuru:

Hmm, guess PCI-X slots are not backwards compatible with PCI slots

[18:07:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

EvilGuru: They're supposed to be...

[18:07:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

EvilGuru: But I think they're only 3.3v (IIRC), so if your card is only 5v, it probably won't work...

[18:08:08]

EvilGuru:

J-e-f-f-A: I believe the card is 3.3V only, ironically

[18:08:30]

EvilGuru:

Luckily I had a spare PCI slot and the card is now initialised. Question is if it will stay that way

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EvilGuru:

Since I am lazy, and already have a DVB-T card working, can I just copy the multiplexes and channel info from my existing card (with the ID of the new card) as opposed to re-scanning

[18:15:53]

Dagmar:

So, what exactly does this data you want to copy represent?

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EvilGuru:

Dagmar: The database entries for the multiplexes and channels

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jwacalex:

anyone you can help me

[18:22:04]

Dagmar:

EvilGuru: no, that's just a description of data. What does the data represent? *That* answers the question about whether or not it makes sense to copy it, hint hint.

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stoneymonster1:

anyone have a blank screen when using opengl blitter and enabling picture controls? this is on .21-fixes

[18:29:11]

stoneymonster1:

without picture controls, video displays normally with opengl blitter

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GreyFoxx:

It's a n nvidia bug

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GreyFoxx:

usually seen by playback working once, and then on blank screen

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GreyFoxx:

until the FE is restarted

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stoneymonster1:

dang, ok, so no picture controls for me in opengl or xv I guess :(

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GreyFoxx:

I've honestly never used any of the pict ure controls since like 0.13 :)

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stoneymonster1:

yeah, me either, but I have some issues I thought it might help

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iamlindoro__:

For reference this nvidia thread has a patch for myth that allegedly soles the OpenGL driver issue: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=111308

[18:48:10]

iamlindoro__:

er solves

[18:48:40]

iamlindoro__:

but only for the 173xx series drivers

[18:49:02]

iamlindoro__:

so not much of a solution, but perhaps a step in the right direction

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yianni:

I managed to solve my problem of having FE menu only displaying TV and Setup entries after updating mythtv plugins to version 0.21–13 from the packman repositories for opensuse.

[19:07:09]

yianni:

the solution was to create a symlink from /usr/lib64/mythtv to /usr/lib. The latter is the location that FE is looking for plugins!

[19:07:39]

Dagmar:

So report that to the people making the screwed up binaries

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yianni:

I will, thanks.

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tcpsyn:

http://www.stootsi.com/

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tcpsyn:

finally

[19:39:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

tcpsyn: Wow... Now we just need a real-time decoder/player for LInux... ;-)

[19:39:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

tcpsyn: and/or a BR/HD-DVD Recorder... ;-)

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EvilGuru:

For commercial flagging DVB-T how many FPS is real time? 25 or 50

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J-e-f-f-A:

EvilGuru: Probably 25... In the US it

[19:40:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

... it's 29.97... (30)

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EvilGuru:

Thanks

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iamlindoro__:

EvilGuru: You guys don't have 1080i@50?

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iamlindoro__:

ie can't it be either depending on the stream? (Making real-time relative to stream fps?)

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EvilGuru:

There I wasn't sure. As it is interlaced, which made me think 50 FPS, unless mythcommflag is also deinterlacing

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iamlindoro__:

I *think* that like ATSC you can have 25 or 50, but I'm no DVB expert

[19:45:47]

iamlindoro__:

that is to say, equivalent to 30/60 on ATSC

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iamlindoro__:

EvilGuru: Looks like you guys can have 1080i up to 60 fields and 720p up to 50 frames per second, so it's going to vary per-program or channel

[20:17:47]

iamlindoro__:

er up to 50 fields @ 1080i

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EvilGuru:

720p @ 50FPS would be neat

[20:18:53]

iamlindoro__:

No kidding. As I read it I was thinking I've never seen any such thing, but sure would be cool :)

[20:19:05]

iamlindoro__:

or, at least, if I've seen it I didn't know it

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iamlindoro__:

Great for sports!!

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EvilGuru:

And no deinterlacing!

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J-e-f-f-A:

so tcpsyn — did you buy one of those BR/HD-DVD/DVD-RW drives?

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Ace2016:

Hi all

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Ace2016:

where can i get the latest info on supported tv cards, where do they do the devel work for the tv cards, i want to see whats happening with the saa7162 chipset

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directhex:

linuxtv

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KjetilK:

specifically http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Hardware

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** KjetilK is just about to buy a DVB-C card, so the page was open in his browser :-) **

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Ace2016:

thanls

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Ace2016:

thanks*

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KjetilK:

I'm not sure if I have the guts to go for Terratec Cinergy HD

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KjetilK:

it is the only DVB-C card that my local retailers have in stock...

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Ace2016:

directhex and KjetilK: where do they do th cvs/svn work?

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KjetilK:

Ace2016: I think they've left CVS/SVN

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Ace2016:

oh

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KjetilK:

for Mercurial perhaps, but I don't know the version control architecture

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jduggan:

KjetilK: which country are you using dvb-c in?

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KjetilK:

jduggan: Norway

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KjetilK:

If I can get the free-to-air channels to work, it would be fine

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Ace2016:

oh its in the unsupported list

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Ace2016:

dvb-s is good in norway right?

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KjetilK:

Ace2016: yeah, that's the best offers for Myth users

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KjetilK:

but the place were I live have sucky DVB-C contract which doesn't expire before Nov. 2010

[21:01:18]

KjetilK:

with NDS VideoGuard for encryption, which is really bad

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Ace2016:

well you might as well stick with DVB-C then

[21:01:58]

Ace2016:

no free to air channels at all in norway?

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KjetilK:

yup, untill we get a better solution

[21:02:02]

Ace2016:

on DVB-S?

[21:02:38]

KjetilK:

we have quite a few for now, particularly Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation, which is similar to BBC

[21:02:57]

KjetilK:

at least, it'll be 7–8 channels

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AndyCap:

KjetilK: what provider has them free to air on dvb-c?

[21:08:03]

KjetilK:

AndyCap: at least Get

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KjetilK:

besides, they are required by the concession, since it is paid for by compulsory licensing

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AndyCap:

KjetilK: did you test this? if so I should go looking for a dvb-c card I guess

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KjetilK:

AndyCap: you're in Norway?

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AndyCap:

KjetilK: yes.

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KjetilK:

cool!

[21:12:30]

KjetilK:

AndyCap: I've for long thought that we need a local Norwegian IRC channel, so I just created one: #mythtv-norge

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AndyCap:

KjetilK: heh, is that necessary, it's not that busy in here. but yeah. if people want to talk norwegian it could be useful I guess.

[21:14:02]

KjetilK:

yeah, and local conditions and all...

[21:14:24]

KjetilK:

anyway: there is a forum which has some good threads: http://mspc.no/board/index.php?topic=78.msg566#msg566

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KjetilK:

AndyCap: I haven't tested myself, but from others, it sounds like it is really straightforward to get NRK*, TV2, SVT*

[21:20:49]

AndyCap:

KjetilK: ok. hehe, the channels I usually use anyway so that's good.

[21:21:22]

AndyCap:

in particular svt since that's not on DVB-S

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KjetilK:

ah, ok

[21:22:10]

KjetilK:

yeah, me too, except I'll probably miss National Geographic

[21:22:45]

KjetilK:

it sounds like it isn't totally unrealistic to get around VideoGuard somehow, since I do have the card

[21:23:28]

jduggan:

what happened to the 10pm news on BBC1?

[21:23:44]

jduggan:

my schedules are wrong, and radiotimes.co.uk suggest the news should be on now

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AndyCap:

KjetilK: well, there's no legitimate CAM for home users for videoguard. so it's difficult. and a non-topic in this channel

[21:24:28]

KjetilK:

yup

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KjetilK:

fortunately, the Consumer Ombudsman in Norway says it is OK, so in Norway, we do have some powerful backers

[21:25:16]

neztiti:

hi guys – how i can know if my prosseser supported by 64 bit?

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AndyCap:

neztiti: cat /proc/cpuinfo ?

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neztiti:

http://pastebin.com/d37cf40f

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AndyCap:

nope.

[21:27:56]

neztiti:

AndyCap:http://pastebin.com/d37cf40f

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AndyCap:

neztiti: iirc that was the first HT cpu

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AndyCap:

neztiti: but no lm flag in flags: so no 64-bit iirc

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neztiti:

what do u mean?

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AndyCap:

neztiti: no 64-bit for you

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neztiti:

not writtin in the flags?

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neztiti:

wow

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directhex:

neztiti, see the "flags" line?

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neztiti:

directhex: what shold i read to know or where exactly?

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PatrickDK:

http://gateworld.net/news/2008/06/don_s._davis_1942-2008.shtml

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iamlindoro__:

Ooof, sad, I didn't like startgate but I liked him

[21:53:25]

iamlindoro__:

er Stargate

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PatrickDK:

ya, he was in many good things

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PatrickDK:

or, he was good in several things

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iamlindoro__:

I actually watched this 80's Christian Slater movie yesterday (Kuffs) and he had a minor role in it

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Pete__:

Does anyone have any recommendations for DVB-S cards that work well with myth (no tuning problems etc)?

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iamlindoro__:

Pete__: check the linuxtv.org wiki

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iamlindoro__:

Pete__: if it works well with linux, it works well with Myth

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Pete__:

Sorry, I was of aware of that, just didn't word my question well. The dvb-s pci page presents quite a daunting list of cards, I was just wondering if anyone had any cards that work particularly well (I've had varying experiences with three different nova-t cards). Just sort of looking for any particular recommendations.

[22:05:00]

Pete__:

I was just going to get one of the K-World dvb-s 100 cards from Maplin today, but for whatever reason they weren't willing to let the last one in the cabinet go (store policy apparently.)

[22:05:20]

iamlindoro__:

When in doubt, Hauppauge is generally a good choice

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Dagmar:

They're the reason we keep France around.

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stoneymonster1:

it's okay, they are a new york company, we can dispense with france

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Dagmar:

OH thats great news

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Pete__:

Yeah, my current setup has three of the newer nova dvb-t cards (something went slightly odd when I had an old one thrown in there too), pretty happy with them.

[22:11:16]

Pete__:

From the wiki it looks like there may be trouble with the nova-s-plus (and the nova-hd-s2 seems just about out of the question)

[22:11:35]

iamlindoro__:

You should buy nay sort of S2 card whatsoever right now

[22:11:37]

iamlindoro__:

er any

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Pete__:

That's what I had gathered

[22:12:24]

Pete__:

many places seem to have stopped selling the nova-s in favour of the nova-s2

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iamlindoro__:

Then you'll be able to pick up the Nova-S cheap second hand :)

[22:14:01]

Pete__:

But apparently it has trouble with low symbol rate transponders (no real mention of what is considered low)

[22:14:19]

Pete__:

Maybe the nova-ci is the way to go, and just not use the CI part of it

[22:14:47]

iamlindoro__:

If you go looking for a card w/ linux support w/ no mention of any sort of card-specific issues, you may be disappointed (or lied to)

[22:15:03]

Pete__:

That is supposedly more of a hardware issue

[22:15:16]

Pete__:

So I read from the wiki anyway

[22:15:41]

iamlindoro__:

I know lots of people use the Twinhan cards too, because they're cheap, but the Nova-S is incredibly well supported and understood, so that would be my route, personally (and, in fact, was)

[22:16:04]

iamlindoro__:

anyway, they're getting cheap enough that you can try a bunch of cards for $20-$30 each if you wanted to, and return the others

[22:16:37]

jduggan:

Pete__: there's 62 nova-s's on ebay for 15quid each

[22:18:32]

PatrickDK:

and they come in one single shipment?

[22:19:47]

jduggan:

damnit

[22:20:00]

jduggan:

it ended already

[22:20:26]

Pete__:

I'm having trouble finding any nova-s's on ebay, nova-s only returns a lovely book and toy set

[22:20:32]

Pete__:

Ah

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jduggan:

it was only yesterday i looked

[22:21:15]

jduggan:

auction said he had 62

[22:21:18]

Pete__:

Shame, at that price I would have gone for it

[22:21:19]

jduggan:

maybe he'll relist

[22:21:26]

Pete__:

I'll keep a look out

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EvilGuru:

Hmm, my Nova-T features a "03:05.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05)"

[22:26:22]

EvilGuru:

Why would a DVB-T card have a chip like that?

[22:32:48]

iamlindoro__:

EvilGuru: isn't the cx23880 just the demodulator?

[22:33:05]

EvilGuru:

I am looking at the tech specs for it now

[22:33:29]

EvilGuru:

Has a /dev/video* device, which I find a tad odd as well

[22:33:58]

iamlindoro__:

EvilGuru: Isn't that just for the framebuffer/analog side of the card? I *think* that's pretty common

[22:34:23]

EvilGuru:

Nothing analogue, no other inputs other than an aerial connector

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iamlindoro__:

Hmm. Wonder if that's just a function of the chips, then. Or perhaps it will do RF analog through coax also?

[22:36:00]

EvilGuru:

Be an interesting one

[22:36:20]

EvilGuru:

The chip also seems to provide the IR port for the card, but surely there must be cheaper ways to add that kind of functionality

[22:37:03]

iamlindoro__:

I think they use that same chip on like a bajillion cards, it probably is worth it to have it do as much of the work as possible

[22:37:25]

Dagmar:

Damn the people at Dell aren't very bright.

[22:37:36]

iamlindoro__:

Shocking :)

[22:37:44]

iamlindoro__:

Also their computers are oooogly

[22:37:57]

EvilGuru:

Dagmar: Neither are black holes, but I can still have a lot of fun with em

[22:38:00]

Dagmar:

Someone made an account on Dell Direct using my *psuedonym* and hotmail address and signed me up for their mailing lists.

[22:38:19]

EvilGuru:

Saying that my MythTV box is an old Dell workstation circa 2000/2001

[22:38:21]

Dagmar:

I sent them an email suggesting strongly that they should look into how this account was created, because I didn't make it, and I didn't want their damn emails.

[22:38:49]

Dagmar:

They sent me back an email saying "We're sorry. You can unsubscribe at this URL" not bothered to look that I'd already done that, and then they drop the _real_ doozy

[22:39:08]

EvilGuru:

Dual PIII, SCSI (160Mbit/s), ECC RAMBUS, PCI-X, but I only paid £50 for it two years back

[22:39:10]

Dagmar:

...that I will still occasionally recieve more promotional information from them just because I am a "member"

[22:40:06]

Dagmar:

So now I'm requesting they simply delete my account if they can't come up with an explanation of how it was created, because if I get more spam from them I will be calling them on the phone and "I am *not* a nice man when crossed, and you really, _really_ don't want me on the phone with you demonstrating how much of a not-nice man I am."

[22:40:11]

EvilGuru:

Does give me a warm a fuzzely feeling inside knowing that not even cosmic rays from outer space can get in the way of Law & Order

[22:40:58]

Dagmar:

That's a joke, right? Heavy rainstorms take out Dish Network (little dish in general I suspect) reception all the time

[22:41:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: Yeah, dell is not my favorite company... I bought a projector for my church through them, and I got a call from a company about extending my warrantee, and it wasn't dell... so their database was comprimised. They didn't seem to care when I notified them...

[22:41:18]

Dagmar:

Like, occasionally I get people calling me to report cable outages and I tell them "Have you looked out the window today?"

[22:41:35]

Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-a: I can make them care.

[22:41:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: I've got Dish, and only the most severe storm has taken out my signal. If the dish is aimed properly, it takes quite a bit...

[22:42:07]

Dagmar:

I have Michael Dell's goddamn desk phone number and email address still, as well as the second and third in command.

[22:42:42]

Dagmar:

j-e-f-f-a: I live in Nashville. There's a *reason* Tennessee makes a new *lake* every 6–7 years.

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EvilGuru:

Dagmar: Point of ECC memory is to prevent cosmic rays from causing 1-bit soft errors

[22:43:39]

Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure I can reach Dell's CEO directly, basically, and I know from the past that when something is a problem that makes it to their ears, they tend to bite heads off until the problem is sure to not happen again.

[22:44:05]

Dagmar:

EvilGuru: I thought it was just there to let the computer know there was an error.

[22:44:24]

EvilGuru:

That would be EC, ECC is error checking *and* correction

[22:44:38]

Dagmar:

I think someone fraudulently padding the subscriber and member lists of their website to make their department look good would be something the CEO would be interested in hearing about.

[22:45:08]

EvilGuru:

Dagmar: Then he would no longer have plausible deniability

[22:45:32]

EvilGuru:

If I were a CEO I would not want to know what kind of crap my subordinates were doing, as if I don't know, I'm not to blame

[22:45:36]

Dagmar:

EvilGuru: I can also drive over to the Nashville facility they ahve and pull some strings

[22:45:51]

Dagmar:

i..e, hassle some people in person.

[22:46:12]

EvilGuru:

Some nutcase in here last week said he could pull some strings with the cable companies ;)

[22:46:34]

Dagmar:

Who was he? Arlen Spector?

[22:46:37]

EvilGuru:

Dagmar: Although just shouting at them will probably work

[22:46:57]

EvilGuru:

Can't remember, last I heard was that he was going to set the freenode staff on us for breaking the rules

[22:47:04]

Dagmar:

EvilGuru: I'm worse. I don't shout. I am simply an inarguable force.

[22:47:35]

Dagmar:

I show up, state my case, and ask who is it that this problem belongs to so that "we" can get it resolved.

[22:48:00]

Dagmar:

If people had any sense at all, they would treat me with more care and respect than a man with a pair of smoking shotguns when I show up in person being ultra-reasonable.

[22:48:24]

EvilGuru:

You shouldn't have to show up at all

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Dagmar:

'cuz I'll follow up on every deadline, every phone request, every inquiry. I will cite their internal documentation as to what each department is supposed to be doing. I am most companies' worst damn nightmare.

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Dagmar:

Evilguru: See, that's just window dressing. That I show up in person is a sign that I'm looking to keep anyone from being embarrassed or get in any legal trouble over the fact that someone has been fraudulently populating their databases with the contacts of people who have no prior business relationship with Dell, and causing them to violate the CAN-SPAM act.

[22:50:15]

Dagmar:

See how this works?

[22:51:03]

Dagmar:

I've worked on the other side of that phone many, many times, so I have a good feel for what makes someone the biggest pain in the ass possible for an organization.

[22:51:44]

Dagmar:

Like, when I say butts get chewed, I *did* work for Dell for a little while trying to get a foot in the door of their Linux dept.

[22:52:08]

Dagmar:

They'd just transitioned to a new ordering system that basically, was keeping about 80% of the possible order volume from happening.

[22:52:36]

Dagmar:

I am one of three people who emailed Mr. Dell directly to inquire when we'd be able to put orders into the system in under 30 minutes.

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Dagmar:

You would have thought someone was under federal indictment for buying whole boatloads of immigrant chilren by how fast the new order system got pushed back out so that things could resume normal operation.

[22:53:55]

** sutula wonders whether Dagmar has any experience with the new Sears appliance repair people...me could use some pointers :) **

[22:54:02]

Dagmar:

Hack their vans.

[22:54:15]

fryfrog:

does anyone know of a way to make a folder on a linux system show up as something other than a mapped network drive in windows?

[22:54:24]

fryfrog:

i was thinking iSCSI, but that is for block level device :/

[22:54:41]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: That's what it *is* tho. It's a mapped network drive.

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Dagmar:

Windows shouldn't really treat it any differently than usual, other than(thankfully) not trying to defrag it and so forth

[22:55:13]

fryfrog:

yeah, i know that is what i'm trying to overcome :/

[22:55:18]

Dagmar:

Even if you installed the sucktacular NFS drivers for Windows it would still do the same thing

[22:55:21]

fryfrog:

Mozy won't do a backup of a network drive

[22:55:41]

fryfrog:

have to have Mozy Pro for that, and I'm no buisiness with money leaking from my anus!

[22:55:44]

Dagmar:

With good reason it won't.

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fryfrog:

and they don't have a linux client :(

[22:56:12]

Dagmar:

Use MondoRescue for backing up the Linux machine

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fryfrog:

i'm not really looking for on-site backups :/

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phunyguy:

hello.

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Dagmar:

Then what the hell are you doing with the network share?

[23:03:27]

Dagmar:

There's several network-capable backup systems for Linux that are free

[23:03:47]

phunyguy:

i just have a quick issue, just set up mythbuntu, with a DViCO fusion 5 Gold, it came with a remote. I also grabbed a commandIR and can't get them to play nice.

[23:04:00]

phunyguy:

mythbuntu came with a preset config for lirc

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EvilGuru:

Well, as of a few hours ago my Nova-T 500 is now working, good to see that the drop-out bug seems to have been fixed

[23:04:02]

Dagmar:

"Amanda" being one that will be complex to learn, but'll back up every damn thing in your house including your PDA, over rusty coat hangers if need bw

[23:04:12]

fryfrog:

Dagmar: I'm shooting for keeping my documents on one of those online backup sites, it just *happens* that i store my documents on a network share on my linux box (on a raid5) instead of in "my documents" on each pc

[23:04:12]

phunyguy:

and mode2 shows remote activity when i hit buttons....

[23:04:42]

phunyguy:

i googled for a config file, and the same config file comes up that is already there....

[23:04:44]

phunyguy:

any ideas?

[23:05:07]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: So don't refer to it with the MyDocuments link. Use the link with "RUP" in it for the roaming user profiles and it'll probably get around the check

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phunyguy:

any help would be greatly appreciated.

[23:05:38]

fryfrog:

well, it isn't that my documents is pointed at that folder, it is just a folder where is store docs

[23:05:41]

fryfrog:

but that is a good idea

[23:05:56]

fryfrog:

i use the offline folder backup, if i found that (and the names weren't retarded) i might be able to point it at that

[23:06:39]

Dagmar:

phunyguy: Dude, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC has some diagrams and so forth in the middle area that show graphically how it works, and tell what can be done to debug each step

[23:06:45]

Dagmar:

Just walk through it A to G.

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phunyguy:

lol hey man

[23:07:44]

phunyguy:

it was working with the IR sensor that came with the HDTV card

[23:07:49]

phunyguy:

but only halfway...

[23:07:56]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: I just flat out have the My Documents folder pointing at a network share. If anything's going to get around that restriction, doing that will likely do it. I just didn't realize you weren't already doing that.

[23:07:59]

phunyguy:

i have since removed that – did a complete reinstall..

[23:08:12]

Dagmar:

Yeah well, if you're seeing things with mode3, the next step is ircat IIRC

[23:08:29]

Dagmar:

er mode2

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phunyguy:

k

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fryfrog:

Dagmar: I used to do that actually, but so many programs default to putting *SOO* much junk in there

[23:09:21]

fryfrog:

like games putting their saves and stuff like that :/

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fryfrog:

if i can get around it that way though, it'd be worth it. i'll try that

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Dagmar:

Jesus I didn't realize so much cruft had piled up at the end of that wiki page

[23:13:50]

phunyguy:

lol

[23:14:01]

phunyguy:

i only found 1 thing with ircat

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Dagmar:

I'm going to try to round up all the LIRC shit tonight and clean it up

[23:16:04]

Dagmar:

There's like four different pages in varying states of OMG-awfulness now

[23:16:14]

phunyguy:

is there just a way to make lirc learn my remote codes?

[23:16:24]

phunyguy:

that would prolly be easiest

[23:17:19]

Dagmar:

hahahah

[23:17:20]

Dagmar:

No.

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phunyguy:

:(

[23:17:28]

Dagmar:

It's doable, but it's *not* the easiest.

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phunyguy:

ok.

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Dagmar:

It's probably THE most annoying way actually.

[23:17:43]

phunyguy:

what is IIRC?

[23:17:44]

fryfrog:

it isn't *that* hard, imho

[23:17:49]

Dagmar:

If I Remember Correctly.

[23:17:54]

fryfrog:

but finding a working one is better

[23:18:05]

fryfrog:

you sure you simply haven't put it in the wrong place?

[23:18:12]

fryfrog:

you need one for mythtv and one for lirc

[23:18:13]

phunyguy:

lol – yeah

[23:18:18]

phunyguy:

well

[23:18:22]

phunyguy:

like i said – i used mythbuntu

[23:18:23]

fryfrog:

i think myth uses "lircrc" and lirc uses .lircrc

[23:18:30]

fryfrog:

or something like that

[23:18:30]

phunyguy:

and it had a premade config for it

[23:18:42]

fryfrog:

i symlinked all of them to one file in /etc/lirc iirc

[23:18:51]

phunyguy:

what is iirc

[23:18:51]

phunyguy:

lol

[23:18:58]

Dagmar:

If I Remember Correctly.

[23:19:01]

phunyguy:

oh

[23:19:03]

phunyguy:

ic

[23:19:14]

phunyguy:

lolbbq

[23:19:21]

phunyguy:

:)

[23:19:23]

Dagmar:

Don' make us smack you with a lolbat

[23:19:31]

phunyguy:

roflcopter

[23:19:34]

fryfrog:

ianal

[23:19:40]

phunyguy:

haha you said anal

[23:19:42]

Dagmar:

www.pvponline.com

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iamlindoro:

!trout phunguy You-are-not-phuny

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** MythLogBot slaps phunguy with a You-are-not-phuny trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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fryfrog:

i so did :)

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phunyguy:

:P

[23:20:00]

fryfrog:

i <3 internet acronyms!

[23:20:00]

Dagmar:

Do those thugs look like they're having a good time? Fear the lolbatman.

[23:20:03]

phunyguy:

ok anyway sorry.

[23:20:03]

fryfrog:

lol lots of love!

[23:20:14]

phunyguy:

im so lost, lol.

[23:20:26]

phunyguy:

this is my first venture into the linux remotes world

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fryfrog:

lirc is hard :(

[23:20:33]

fryfrog:

i have to admin

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fryfrog:

admit

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phunyguy:

technically, this should have justr "worked"

[23:20:48]

Dagmar:

Nah. Signal transmission and decoding is compled.

[23:20:51]

Dagmar:

er complex

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Dagmar:

LIRC odesn't really make it any harder.

[23:21:01]

Pete__:

Lirc always seems like such a pain. Whenever I go upgrade the system I forget the tricks to getting it working

[23:21:09]

fryfrog:

me too

[23:21:12]

phunyguy:

mythbuntu created a lirc.conf with an "include" in it poitning to the config file to use

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fryfrog:

cause it happens so infrequently

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fryfrog:

i have to look at the docs on compiling modules in ubuntu each time :p

[23:21:29]

phunyguy:

which is the same config that is online to use

[23:21:33]

Dagmar:

Imagine how much nicer a place the world would be if you had had to get your own MNP implmentation written to go faster than 1200bps

[23:21:57]

phunyguy:

now, the remote is seen by the commandIR

[23:22:04]

Dagmar:

So?

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phunyguy:

i just cant get it to match it to the right codes

[23:22:09]

phunyguy:

lol

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Dagmar:

It's not making any value judgements about what it sees.

[23:22:19]

phunyguy:

right,

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fryfrog:

ahhaa

[23:22:49]

phunyguy:

shouldnt it at least make keystrokes in the console?

[23:22:56]

Dagmar:

Not necessarily, no.

[23:23:00]

phunyguy:

like, the up arrow is the same as the keyboard "up"

[23:23:08]

phunyguy:

well it did that with the previous IR sensor

[23:23:13]

Dagmar:

That doesn't really mean anything.

[23:23:14]

phunyguy:

which is why i assumed that

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phunyguy:

ok.

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Dagmar:

phunyguy: SRSLY. Go to the LIRC page I cited on the wiki and examine the diagram for items A-G very carefully.

[23:23:53]

phunyguy:

i tried, let me look closer

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Dagmar:

I made those little infographics so people would be able to understand *exactly* how the process works.

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Dagmar:

It would be easier if remotes all sent just 8-bit bytes, but they don't.

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phunyguy:

ok I'm looking at the .mythtv/lircrc file

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phunyguy:

remote = dish1?

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phunyguy:

prog= mythtv

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phunyguy:

etc etc

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phunyguy:

what is the ref to dish1?

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iamlindoro:

that's a name of a remote as defined in lircd.conf

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phunyguy:

oh

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phunyguy:

ok

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phunyguy:

or in the "include" config for the specific remote..?

[23:29:12]

phunyguy:

lol

[23:29:15]

phunyguy:

stupid mythbuntu

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fryfrog:

did it simply use the wrong name?

[23:30:44]

phunyguy:

ok, where in the config is it referring to.... begin remote -> name DVICO ?

[23:32:17]

phunyguy:

oh dont tell me...

[23:32:23]

phunyguy:

i have to look at something real quick

[23:34:36]

phunyguy:

no that wasn't it

[23:34:49]

phunyguy:

i'm wondering why it named them as dish4 in the lircrc file

[23:35:54]

phunyguy:

also ~/.mythtv/lircrc is a symlink to ~/.lirc/mythtv

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iamlindoro:

All perfectly normal

[23:36:46]

phunyguy:

even the dish4 thing?

[23:36:56]

phunyguy:

that refers to a remote name in lircd.conf right?

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iamlindoro:

It called it dish4 because *you* selected a remote in the mythbuntu control center that was incorrect

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iamlindoro:

It would be really helpful if you would read the documentation Dagmar pointed you at

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phunyguy:

i selected "DViCO USB Remote" which makes it use the same config i found online for my remote

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phunyguy:

lol

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phunyguy:

i did read it and it pointed me to the lircrc file

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phunyguy:

i thought i found something.... no?

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iamlindoro:

and don't blame mythbuntu, *you* are the one who doesn't understand the concepts

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phunyguy:

i was kidding about that

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phunyguy:

:-/

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phunyguy:

i do have somewhat of an idea how all this works, I am just having a hard time putting all the *syntax* together

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phunyguy:

the incoming remote codes are read by LIRC and matched to a remote in the config, then the button presses are passed to lircrc to translate those button presses to commands in an application

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phunyguy:

how can i tell if the signals are even getting translated to button names?

[23:43:06]

phunyguy:

i know the remote is seen, but thats as far as I can get

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cesman:

phunyguy: irw

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phunyguy:

ok, im guessing when i ask how to use it I will get a collective "man irw" right?

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phunyguy:

:P

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qfour20:

I'm having a heck of a time getting a new myth backend installation to allow a remote frontend to connect.

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phunyguy:

wow, that manpage has NOTHING

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phunyguy:

:P

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qfour20:

I've (tried to) change the permissions for mysql (grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv";

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iamlindoro:

qfour20: IF that's so then you probably need to change bind-address in my.cnf to a read IP

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iamlindoro:

er If

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iamlindoro:

s/read/real

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qfour20:

Yeah, I also did that, and restarted mysql

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iamlindoro:

and how does the mysql client behave on the frontend? Can you connect from there? ie mysql -umythtv -pmythtv -h some.ip.address mythconverg

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qfour20:

let's see....

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qfour20:

Hmmmm... "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'192.168.1.99' (using password:YES)

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qfour20:

so, apparently my changes in mysql didn't take

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iamlindoro:

Are you sure you're using the right password? ie are you sure there wasn't another password there before?

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qfour20:

it was a reinstall of the OS, so I let myth generate a new p/w

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qfour20:

let me try *on* the backend box first

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iamlindoro:

I bet the mythtv mysql user already has a password that is not "mythtv"

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iamlindoro:

check ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt or ~/.mythtv/config.xml on the backend to see if there's another password that's the correct one

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qfour20:

no, it's not. dpkg auto-gen'ed a password, which I picked up out of /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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iamlindoro:

Then that's what you should be using on the frontend

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qfour20:

right.

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qfour20:

well, it looks like the mythtv user was my problem

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qfour20:

i can't open mysql, even locally

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qfour20:

wait... I can, but *only* if I don't specify a host. odd.

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qfour20:

so, it's gotta be that the permission changes I made didn't take

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fryfrog:

humm, can you change the path for "mydocuments" in vista?

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qfour20:

now this is really weird. I went in and changed access to mythtv@"%" (....) and I can still only get in to mysql if I leave out the -h parameter

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qfour20:

so, something's wrong with how I have mysql configured.

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iamlindoro:

sounds like bind-address is wrong, check for typos

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qfour20:

hmmm... looks right to me. I'll comment it and re-type it, I guess

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qfour20:

how do I show "privileges" in mysql?

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