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Sunday, June 29th, 2008, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:27] jpabq_hs: iamlindoro, the problem with MOAR DISK, is the need for a BIGGER CASE.
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[00:01:28] directhex: jpabq_hs, myth is happy on a nertwork. if in doubt, MOAR COMPUTERS can store MOAR DISKS
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[00:04:00] jpabq_hs: I already have two backends, just to hold all the disks. I have 12 disks in a COOLER MASTER Stacker 810, but unless I go with TB mechs, even that may not be enough soon.
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[00:04:38] Chicago: Twinkle works fine for SIP behind my NAT. Mythphone doesn't quite work right. I am getting disconnected and see "Received Invalid Payload 0" in my mythfrontend.log
[00:04:57] Dagmar: Feel free to write a bug report.
[00:05:06] Dagmar: Telling us in the channel repeatedly accomplishes nothing.
[00:05:27] Chicago: Earlier, I was asked to test Twinkle to see if it was a NAT problem.
[00:05:39] iamlindoro: !trout MythPhone Myth doesn't need a kitchen sink either
[00:05:39] ** MythLogBot slaps MythPhone with a Myth doesn't need a kitchen sink either trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **
[00:05:57] iamlindoro: MOAR TROUT
[00:06:00] Dagmar: Chicago: That was for you to be certain of before filing a bug report with your binary maintainer
[00:06:12] Chicago: Dagmar: I compile from source.
[00:06:27] iamlindoro: That will mean the mail will arrive quickly, then ;)
[00:06:27] Dagmar: Should be easy to file a bug report then
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[00:08:15] Dagmar: !trout iamlindoro 'sploitSTFU iamlindoroPING
[00:08:15] ** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro with a 'sploitSTFU iamlindoroPING trout on behalf of Dagmar... **
[00:08:29] Dagmar: 8D
[00:08:38] iamlindoro: That was too many...things
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[00:16:29] Ace2016: jpabq_hs: how much usable space do you actually have?
[00:16:41] Ace2016: is it being used in raid?
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[00:24:52] Dagmar: There is such a thing as too much porno.
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[00:25:48] directhex: Dagmar, yeah, but not many people exceed that 4.76 petabyte mark
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[02:17:52] MinDKrime: anyone have an appletv doing 1080i ?
[02:22:58] Dagmar: That's not likely
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[02:49:45] bsdfox__: what graphics hardware does appletv have?
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[02:52:28] Dagmar: The usual for an appliance device
[02:52:51] bsdfox__: s3 or via?
[02:53:14] Dagmar: "barely enough to get by"
[02:55:05] ShiftyPowers: guys is there anyway to capture HD from directv or dish network today?
[02:55:19] ShiftyPowers: i'm thinking of switching from cable to satellite but have no idea if that's possible
[02:56:36] Dagmar: HD-PVR
[02:57:52] ShiftyPowers: that captures component right?
[02:58:11] ShiftyPowers: ah i see it
[02:58:13] ShiftyPowers: cool
[02:59:05] J-e-f-f-A: ShiftyPowers: Keep in mind that it creates MPEG4 output — so you've got to have a very fast system to play it back...
[02:59:17] ShiftyPowers: J-e-f-f-A, thanks man
[02:59:21] ShiftyPowers: that's good to know
[02:59:39] J-e-f-f-A: ShiftyPowers: iamlindoro has one... ;-)
[02:59:56] ShiftyPowers: does he think it's good?
[03:00:03] ShiftyPowers: if he has one then surely it must be pretty good
[03:01:35] J-e-f-f-A: ShiftyPowers: I haven't talked to him about it in about a week, and iirc, the drivers were pretty stable then... You'll have to ask him directly when you see him on....
[03:01:59] ShiftyPowers: cool
[03:02:00] Dagmar: It's not in Myth yet, so asking him how to make one work with myth isn't going to make him a very happy camper
[03:02:00] ShiftyPowers: will do
[03:02:07] ShiftyPowers: haha
[03:02:08] ShiftyPowers: ok
[03:02:11] ShiftyPowers: i'll wait then
[03:02:16] ShiftyPowers: i saw the page on the wiki
[03:02:17] J-e-f-f-A: Dagmar: Good point.  ;-)
[03:02:28] ** J-e-f-f-A didn't know that... ;-) **
[03:05:59] Dagmar: Yeah, I'm just waiting patiently until someone *mentions* that it's working with Myth
[03:06:09] Dagmar: Then I'll figure out building Qt4 while I wait for the thing to arrive
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[03:08:24] ShiftyPowers: yeah i might as well wait then on the TV
[03:08:28] ShiftyPowers: stay with cable for now
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[03:13:04] jpabq_hs: I have been happily using myth to record using a HD-PVR for a week now.
[03:15:52] ShiftyPowers: jpabq, did you have to do anythign complicated on it?
[03:15:58] ShiftyPowers: or followed the instructions in the wiki?
[03:16:51] jpabq_hs: It is not 100% stable, but it works pretty well, with a few limitations.
[03:17:02] jpabq_hs: Right now 1080i should be avoided. 720p works well
[03:17:26] ShiftyPowers: what system do you have to playback?
[03:17:30] jpabq_hs: The HD-PVR's built in ir-blaster does not work yet, so you need another channel changing option.
[03:18:15] jpabq_hs: I have a 3.0GHz Core 2 duo. If you have a lesser processor, then you can buy coreavc for $15 to enable multi-threaded support.
[03:20:17] jpabq_hs: Also, at this time you must run TRUNK (not 21-fixes)
[03:20:55] jpabq_hs: The HD-PVR does not support dolby digital yet, only AAC audio, so you must compile myth with --enable-libfaad
[03:21:52] jpabq_hs: Those of us using the HD-PVR can be found at #hdpvr
[03:23:13] ShiftyPowers: ah
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[03:23:18] ShiftyPowers: so still quite early for me
[03:24:39] jpabq_hs: All depends on how adventurous you are
[03:26:37] jpabq_hs: There is hope that ffmpeg will add multi-thread playback support by the end of the summer. Right now ffmpeg will only use multiple threads if the video has multiple slices, but the HD-PVR generates single-sliced, so special support is needed. Coreav is a payware option to get that special support.
[03:27:20] jpabq_hs: coreav does not work for livetv, but that is not a problem since no "true" Mythtv users uses livetv.
[03:28:47] jpabq_hs: I am guessing that it will be at least a month before the devs consider back-porting the HD-PVR support to the stable branch.
[03:29:38] ShiftyPowers: gotcha, that's helpful info
[03:29:51] ShiftyPowers: and hte only place to buy the hdpvr today is straight from hauppauge right?
[03:29:59] jpabq_hs: or Amazon
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[03:32:12] jpabq_hs: I did read that mythubuntu (I think, may have been a different distribution) is planning on releasing an "experimental" installer which has a snapshot of the latest trunk with HD-PVR support.
[03:32:24] jpabq_hs: Soon
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[03:42:28] jpabq_hs: ttyl
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[04:05:07] nostahl: hey all my tv is showing black and white all of a sudden using svideo
[04:05:17] nostahl: i tryed rebooting the myth box with tv on
[04:05:19] nostahl: no affect
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[04:06:47] nostahl: any idea's
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[04:12:02] nostahl: anyone know how to fix tv color it turned to black and white for some reason
[04:12:21] Dagmar: Repair the TV.
[04:12:35] Dagmar: ...or don't electrocute yourself and call a repairman.
[04:13:30] nostahl: i see color in the tv's menu
[04:13:36] nostahl: so its not the tv i dont think
[04:14:03] nostahl: also my mythbox's background changed by itself
[04:14:09] nostahl: during a reboot recently
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[05:17:05] Decepticon: can someone recommend a video card with tv-out that works out of the box (and that is fanless design?) I have a geforce fx 5500, but its so loud i cant bear it
[05:17:33] Decepticon: tv-out such as s-video or composite video out
[05:17:38] cesman: Decepticon: define "works out the box"
[05:17:54] Decepticon: cesman i pop in mythbuntu livecd and it will recognize it
[05:18:08] asmussen: There are some good 5200 cards from newegg that are fanless and work well with Mythtv.
[05:18:10] Decepticon: or install ubuntu + mythtv and it will see it and output to tv
[05:18:15] cesman: Decepticon: for instance, the nvidia cards are the best and easiest to use however you have to install binaries for best performance
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[05:18:43] cesman: of course if you use KnoppMyth, we take care of that for you ;)
[05:20:04] Amun: Decepticon: geforce mx 4000
[05:20:08] Decepticon: any card in specific that you can recommend? i opted for the geforce fx5500 from reading reviews on newegg saying it works with minimal config for popular linux distros (my main concern is this, obviously, 2nd is noise)
[05:20:28] Decepticon: Amun yes i had heard of this card as well during my research phase
[05:20:36] Amun: well
[05:20:40] Amun: do you plan on doing alot of gaming?
[05:20:47] cesman: Decepticon: I'd saw all most the absolute newest cards will work w/ Linux
[05:21:06] cesman: Decepticon: again, you'll have to install nvidia drivers for best performance
[05:21:34] cesman: Decepticon: and you don't need the absolute newest
[05:21:36] Decepticon: Amun no, this will primarily be for watching videos on tv-out
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[05:21:57] Decepticon: cesman i do not need the newest, but if the price difference is vast, id opt for newer
[05:22:03] Decepticon: (why pay more for old cards)
[05:22:11] Decepticon: when new one is almost the same
[05:22:14] Amun: hrmm. the geforce 4 mx 4000 is alright. im using it in my living room pc. no gaming whatsoever
[05:22:27] Decepticon: Amun it is fanless design, yes?
[05:22:39] Amun: yes, single slot fanless
[05:22:45] cesman: well, I hardly think one needs anything newer than the 5xzy line...
[05:23:49] Senkrad_Luna: Hello everyone. Is it possible to create a new group filter?
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[06:14:08] Kernel: hello all i tried installing a theme for mythtv and when i went to set it...it froze mythtv with a white screen now whenever i try to restart myth all i get is a white screen
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[06:37:09] clever: Kernel: mythfrontend --help
[06:37:20] clever: one of the options will reset the theme to default
[06:37:34] Kernel: clever: awesome thanks :-)
[06:38:41] clever: -r or --reset Resets frontend appearance settings and language
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[07:17:27] Shonky: Hi guys. Is there a limit on the number of streams that can be recorded with multirec? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Multirec mentions a "(Max Tuners default=2)". I have created a 3rd virtual tuner but it's scheduling shows from different multiplexes on the same tuners.
[07:17:57] Shonky: 2 virtual tuners works just fine.
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[08:47:32] Gumby: does anyone know if there is any wildcard type matching for recordings. ie: can I tell myth to find and record anything with "blah" in the title and "this show named blah" and "that blah show" would be a positive match and myth would record it?
[08:47:50] Shonky: gumby: yes
[08:48:28] Shonky: Manage Recordings->Schedule Recordings->Search Words
[08:48:59] Gumby: cool, thanks Shonky
[08:49:15] Shonky: Actually last menu is "Custom Record" not "Search Words"
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[08:51:06] Shonky: Mythweb is easier if you have it set up
[08:52:47] Gumby: match in any descriptive field. I assume this is title and subtitle
[08:53:02] Shonky: And description
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[08:55:14] clever: using search words i beleive youll just list off shows matching the patern
[08:55:29] clever: then have to pick each and make a normal rule(just that title)
[08:56:04] clever: i should play with custom record later, it may solve a few of my minor problems
[08:56:24] Shonky: Hence why I changed my suggestion.
[08:56:42] Gumby: so why when i create a custom record does it default to searching for "japan"
[08:56:58] Shonky: MythWeb is much easier to set up though from the looks of things. I basically schedule everything from MythWeb
[08:57:32] clever: my mythweb loads way too slowly and the preview images are murder on the masterbackend
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[08:58:33] Shonky: Something wrong there. Don't have to use the "recorded programs" part to schedule either.
[08:59:01] Shonky: Mythweb is pretty light weight for all but the preview images.
[08:59:11] clever: yeah
[08:59:15] clever: and i have 300 recordings
[08:59:23] clever: so thats 300 images it has to generate
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[08:59:44] Shonky: It's just using the frontend, you seem to almost have to build the SQL query yourself, whereas MythWeb is super simple.
[09:00:11] clever: is that what the thing is when i hit E on a recording?
[09:00:19] clever: it did look somewhat like sql
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[09:00:35] Shonky: Hit E where?
[09:00:36] clever: (in the recording playback list)
[09:01:03] Shonky: yeah exactly that.
[09:01:07] clever: ahh
[09:01:12] Shonky: never used that before.
[09:01:18] clever: so im guessing that edits the existing rule for the show?
[09:01:29] clever: with the same ui as custom record?
[09:02:28] clever: there, fixed my mythweb, this laptop didnt have its ip allowed
[09:02:40] Gumby: wtf, why the fsck does creating a new "custom record" string automatically search using the string "japan". Even when I go to manage recordings->schedule recordings->search words
[09:03:08] clever: i think it saves past searches
[09:03:12] Gumby: search words=>stored searches
[09:03:21] Gumby: Ive never searched for "japan"
[09:03:21] Gumby: lol
[09:03:23] Shonky: I'd guess it would add a new search.
[09:03:29] clever: or you dont rmemeber doing so
[09:03:48] Gumby: and I created a custom search and it never gives an option on what exactly to search for
[09:04:05] clever: loading my frontend up
[09:04:22] Shonky: gumby: I recommend mythweb if you can
[09:04:48] Gumby: Shonky: I dont see a similar option in mythweb. maybe my mythweb version is out of date. where are you looking?
[09:04:57] Gumby: I dont want to have to manually search for anything
[09:05:09] Shonky: After "Recording Schedules" "Custom" in brackets
[09:05:13] clever: 'recording schedules (manual, custom)'
[09:05:14] Gumby: I just want any program matching a specific rule to be automatically recorded
[09:05:17] Shonky: click on custom
[09:05:23] Shonky: it's been there for quite a while
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[09:05:52] clever: something id like to do
[09:06:01] clever: cancle show x at time y on every day
[09:06:17] clever: because a few rules allways overlap and conflict at the exact same point every day
[09:06:18] Gumby: you have to input a day for the custom search
[09:06:34] Gumby: what if I dont want it to match a day?
[09:07:03] Shonky: ignore that I think. Just leave it blank
[09:07:15] Gumby: its automatically set to sunday and there is no blank
[09:07:25] Shonky: leave on Sunday
[09:08:10] clever: oops, some1 changed mythweb and now its conflicting with a patch i made
[09:08:12] Shonky: been a while since I've used this to be honest
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[09:08:17] clever: now i have 2 'dont record' buttons!
[09:09:38] Shonky: I left the time and day alone and it works fine for me.
[09:10:30] clever: seems my patch still works though
[09:10:43] ** Gumby thinks these searches are putting his sql server through its paces **
[09:10:47] clever: just halfway though
[09:10:53] Gumby: mythweb is much less responsive now
[09:10:54] Gumby: hehe
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[09:11:00] Gumby: too many channels to parse
[09:11:06] Shonky: how many?
[09:11:06] clever: my mythtv network has its mysql on a 400mhz box
[09:11:14] Gumby: parse/query
[09:11:27] clever: 68 channels
[09:11:29] clever: for me
[09:11:31] Shonky: I only have 11
[09:11:47] clever: 35,758 shows in the program table
[09:11:55] clever: thats the hard one on the querys i think
[09:12:55] Shonky: Shouldn't happen all the time though. Only when a schedule is changed
[09:13:09] clever: yeah
[09:13:16] clever: like when im cancling 30 conflicts:P
[09:13:38] Shonky: 6840 shows across 11 channels for me so about twice dense per channel.
[09:14:26] clever: 2008-06–29 06:14:18.006 Reschedule requested for id 3436.
[09:14:33] Gumby: hrm, my upcoming recordings page shows nothing now
[09:14:33] clever: 2008-06–29 06:14:29.731 Scheduled 474 items in 11.5 = 0.06 match + 11.40 place
[09:14:33] Shonky: Program table is only about 2megabytes though
[09:15:01] Shonky: 2008-06–29 19:10:10.763 Scheduled 108 items in 0.8 = 0.04 match + 0.72 place
[09:15:29] Shonky: so mine's about twice as fast :)
[09:15:45] clever: when i went for a 2week vacation
[09:15:50] clever: i cancled a massive number of shows
[09:16:01] clever: and i could see the thing gaining speed with every rule i deleted
[09:16:28] Shonky: That must be a lot of rules then
[09:16:37] clever: not just that
[09:16:43] Shonky: I have 113 in my record table.
[09:16:52] clever: changing a rule from 'record everything' to 'record in this timeslot' sped it up also
[09:17:03] clever: 138 there
[09:17:45] clever: select (select count(*) from record),(select count(*) from channel),(select count(*) from program),(select count(*) from recorded);
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[09:17:52] clever: | 138 | 68 | 35758 | 553 |
[09:18:16] clever: subquerys are a powerfull thing
[09:18:24] Gumby: hrm, mythweb is totalls fscked now
[09:18:36] Shonky: 113 25 6840 226
[09:18:47] Shonky: half of my channels are disabled though
[09:18:52] clever: less on everything:P
[09:18:55] Shonky: gumby: what's wrong now?
[09:19:10] Gumby: mythweb giving connection errors
[09:19:22] Shonky: mythbackend gone away?
[09:19:23] Gumby: even frontend is slow as hell when trying to see upcoming recordings
[09:19:23] clever: could be overloaded and timing out
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[09:19:34] Gumby: still waiting for it to show up 1min later
[09:19:39] clever: my fronten allways takes 10–15 seconds to show upcoming
[09:19:43] Gumby: backend still running
[09:19:50] Gumby: timed out
[09:19:57] clever: often my frontend appears to be 'running' but is coredumping
[09:20:13] clever: often because massive io caused a race condition
[09:20:18] clever: now causing even more io
[09:20:25] clever: 3 mins to take a dump:P
[09:20:26] Shonky: does it not handle the backend taking a while to come back maybe?
[09:20:57] clever: my frontend would often giveup playing a file if the backend stoped streaming for 20 seconds
[09:21:12] clever: which is exactly what my wifi card would cut out for every 3mins or so
[09:21:31] Shonky: My combined frontend/backend doesn't do anything like that. AMD X2 4400 though
[09:21:50] clever: the harddrive in that laptop has since gone tits up
[09:21:51] Gumby: 2008-06–29 02:21:32.831 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Monitor
[09:21:51] Gumby: 2008-06–29 02:21:32.831 adding: DVR as a client (events: 0)
[09:21:56] clever: so its running nfsroot off ethernet
[09:22:01] clever: no more wifi problems:P
[09:22:08] Gumby: thats all I get in mythbackend log when pressing "upcoming recordings"
[09:22:25] clever: you need to run with -v socket to see any details
[09:22:26] Gumby: then FE times out
[09:22:29] clever: or -v network
[09:22:37] clever: yeah -v network would be better
[09:22:52] Gumby: FE or BE?
[09:22:59] clever: either
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[09:23:24] clever: they are talking to eachtoher and the -v network shows both directions
[09:23:30] Shonky: gumby: what kind of hardware is the backend? maybe the queires are taking ages?
[09:23:49] Gumby: FE is the BE
[09:23:58] clever: my masterbe is horidly slow
[09:24:12] clever: for that and another complex reason i split the mysqld into a slave backend
[09:24:13] Gumby: only the sql server is remote
[09:24:17] clever: same
[09:25:26] clever: when i punch a key on this laptop frontend it goes roughtly d630(laptop)->switch->linksys->theP4(master)->linksys->media(mysq ld)
[09:25:32] Gumby: specs on the mythbox are dual core 2.8GHZ 2GB Ram
[09:25:43] clever: only dualcore i have is the d630 laptop
[09:25:54] clever: which is my dads work laptop so i cant install anything on it
[09:26:22] clever: oops, need to keep an eye on ram
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[09:27:13] Gumby: so should I use -v socket since they are on the same machine (they = FE and BE)
[09:27:17] Shonky: obviously more complex if you have slave backends and databases on different machines over varying networks like wifi
[09:27:36] clever: -v socket shows the bare socket stuff under the network protocol
[09:27:44] clever: -v network shows the network protocol ontop
[09:28:06] clever: they both do the same but output in a bit of a diff format
[09:29:29] clever: its still weird to not see the hdd light come on at all under high load
[09:29:30] Gumby: http://pastebin.ca/1058029
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[09:32:07] Gumby: restarted the backend and things are better now
[09:32:36] Gumby: however there is a lot of crap in the scheduled recordings that dont come close to matching any of the rules I created
[09:33:05] Shonky: Something must match
[09:33:46] Shonky: Title search or Keyword search
[09:33:51] Shonky: ?\
[09:34:15] clever: Gumby: that paste looks like the FE and the backend is taking too long to reply
[09:34:32] clever: -v network,database on the BE may reveal more info
[09:34:35] Gumby: clever: yeah, read up :)
[09:34:57] clever: i allways run my master with -v network,upnp
[09:35:16] clever: ive got a small upnp bug im still trying to track down
[09:38:52] Gumby: okm I think I got it down now
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[09:40:08] clever: weird
[09:40:18] clever: massive io usage on my master
[09:40:30] clever: and i can feel the lag its causing in the local laptop
[09:41:31] clever: seems to have gone down now
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[09:45:33] BULLE: clever: m4d cow disease =(
[09:45:42] clever: lol
[09:46:03] clever: i think its just the fact that im focusing the io load of 3 systems onto 1 set of harddrives
[09:47:19] Gumby: thanks for your help guys. I think I have it. bed time for me
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[09:59:21] oCLioN: anyone here got a link for a windows frontend ? .. i want to have a mythtv frontend on my windowsmachine .. its vista
[10:00:48] Shonky: You really looked hard didn't you: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Windows_ . . . ythTv_Player
[10:01:11] Shonky: First hit in google
[10:01:32] Shonky: VLC can play them too but you'll have to pick out the files directly from the filesystem.
[10:01:52] oCLioN: i know about vlc yes ..
[10:02:11] oCLioN: checkin that shonky thanks
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[10:38:51] coolerguy: :O:O 3liters leffe-flaske :D
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[13:08:05] Patina: coolerguy: Hvad, er du svensker, siden du er så glad for en stor flaske stærk øl?
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[13:09:25] gbee: justinh: were you looking for a DVB-S card?
[13:11:22] jduggan: i was looking for one
[13:11:33] jduggan: one that doesnt cost 50quid!
[13:11:36] jduggan: do they exist?
[13:11:37] jduggan: :)
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[13:15:02] gbee: some going on ebay right now for £15 (+ £5 p+p) or nearest offer
[13:15:13] gbee: seller has 62 apparently
[13:17:25] jduggan: wow
[13:17:34] jduggan: cheap
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[13:17:53] gbee: second hand of course, but that's meaningless for this sort of kit
[13:19:48] jduggan: link?
[13:19:50] gbee: paid £30-something for my last one and that was the cheapest I could possibly find
[13:20:03] gbee: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HAUPPAUGE-WIN-TV-NOVA-S . . . p3286.c0.m14
[13:20:19] gbee: probably a better link I could have used
[13:20:27] jduggan: i see some cheap one but it comes from hongkong, that was a TV-S03, google seemed to think it worked in linux, but i was aprehensive about buying from hongkong
[13:21:24] gbee: there have been a bunch of USB ones floating around, but I wanted PCI
[13:21:51] gbee: ideally I want DVB-S2, but I'm waiting for the cost to come down
[13:22:09] EvilGuru: gbee: I thought that there was currently no standard API for S2
[13:22:33] gbee: driver? no there isn't, but they can apparently be made to work with a few patches
[13:23:13] jduggan: hmm, you could buy a full dvb-s setup for 55quid
[13:23:20] gbee: DVB-S part should work though, which is all I need right now and then when Freesat switches to S2 I won't have to lay out more money ;)
[13:23:24] jduggan: including dish/quad lnb/cable/card
[13:24:38] gbee: jduggan: less even, I bought a new Zone-2 dish for £27 from ebay including lnb/cable/fixings, Zone-1 dish could probably be bought for less
[13:25:00] jduggan: gbee: this was a 60cm, sky style dish, which i think is zone-2?
[13:25:16] gbee: 60cm is zone 2, so yeah
[13:25:59] gbee: you shouldn't need a zone 2 dish unless you live in Scotland or have signal quality issues
[13:26:19] jduggan: just for peace of mind, does the LNB have to be 'HD compatible' or is that solely down to the STB/cards capabilities?
[13:26:35] jduggan: gbee: well for the cost difference, its worth the extra for peace of mind
[13:26:40] gbee: mine was a waste of money since it didn't fix the problem I was having, but at least I've extended the lifetime of the setup since the old dish was pretty weathered
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[13:26:57] jduggan: afaik, you get less weather issues etc, with a bigger dish
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[13:27:13] gbee: no such thing as a HD compatible lnb – they don't care whether it's HD, SD or UltraHD
[13:27:33] jduggan: yea, i thought the same but i do see people advertising them as hd compatible, so wanted to clarify
[13:27:49] dustybin: gbee: how do you know freesat will switch to S2?
[13:28:11] jduggan: dustybin: natural progression :)
[13:28:11] gbee: jduggan: just a marketing ploy, it's like saying a car is "Motorway compatible" ;)
[13:28:17] jduggan: gbee: haha
[13:28:24] jduggan: ok, thanks for clarifying
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[13:29:28] gbee: dustybin: it's apparently been the plan from the start to switch to S2 and it makes sense since it will increase the space available to them
[13:29:40] dustybin: aye ok
[13:29:43] gbee: the freesat spec requires that equipment be S2 compatible
[13:29:59] jduggan: aaah, was just about to question that
[13:30:15] jduggan: these TV's, think its phillips? that area already selling integrated freesat
[13:30:20] gbee: but for whatever reasons (equipment investment costs probably) they are starting out with DVB-S
[13:30:30] jduggan: was going to say if its upgraded to S2.. surely they need to be updated etc
[13:30:42] jduggan: s/area/are/
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[13:34:44] dustybin: ive changed the way im using my gentoo desktop machine, it now boots without x, then i ssh into my server and screen -r
[13:35:12] dustybin: if i ever need x i then launch another terminal and log in to x, then alt+F switch into terminal or the desktop
[13:35:29] jduggan: i've never booted right into X
[13:35:33] ** dustybin hates terminal emulators **
[13:35:55] jduggan: when distro's started using login managers i never went that route
[13:36:05] dustybin: aye i can see why
[13:36:27] dustybin: most things for me are done on the console, irssi, mocp, rtorrent, tin, mutt
[13:36:41] dustybin: the only time i need x is for firefox
[13:38:22] gbee: I'm just guessing, but I don't expect them to switch to S2 before next year and they'll probably only do it on certain muxes which will then carry the HD channels
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[13:38:40] jduggan: gbee: did you use a sat finder to mount your dish, or did you just check the position of neighbours dish and align accordingly?
[13:38:48] gbee: which is why I'm prepared to buy DVB-S cards now and upgrade when I need to
[13:38:56] gbee: jduggan: sat finder
[13:39:07] jduggan: im going to be cheap an try without
[13:39:45] gbee: worth a try, if you manage it without signal issues I'd be suprised though
[13:39:49] jduggan: if i can get this card for 15quid, i dont mind upgrading to another S2 card in teh future, the cost is negligible
[13:40:12] jduggan: i'll buy one from maplin and return within 30minutes :P
[13:40:30] gbee: £10 isn't a lot, although in relation to the overall cost of dish etc and the limited use you'll get from it, I can understand why you'd avoid it
[13:40:45] jduggan: yea its half as much as the dish
[13:40:49] jduggan: and almost the cost of the card
[13:42:24] gbee: my dish is within a mm of the perfect alignment and it makes a difference, but I didn't have sight of the TV when tweaking and I didn't want to be up & down a ladder a hundred times
[13:42:40] gbee: which is where the sat finder comes in handy
[13:43:27] jduggan: did you test with an STB before using it with your mythbox?
[13:50:47] gbee: yeah
[13:52:25] jduggan: more money.. :)
[13:52:35] jduggan: maybe i'll buy the satfinder
[13:52:39] jduggan: :P
[13:52:43] jduggan: cheaper than an stb
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[14:26:13] Ace2016: Hi all
[14:31:04] dustybin: Ace2016: Your not allowed to say 'Hi', read the channel rules
[14:32:54] Ace2016: how does saying "Hi all" break any rules? is it the don't ask if you can ask a question rule?
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[14:36:54] snk00sj: hi, i am trying to get the script running that can automatically get the info from imdb based on the filename (& previous directory) as described in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2734 (using myttv 0.21)
[14:41:22] justinh: afternoon all
[14:41:44] justinh: gbee: seen the news on digitalspy about dvb-t2?
[14:42:47] gbee: justinh: yeah
[14:43:22] gbee: no point worrying about it until there are t2 cards and drivers available
[14:43:55] justinh: heh
[14:44:05] justinh: anyway.. good break?
[14:44:06] gbee: plan is still to have only one t2 mux for HD, rest will stay as they are, so ...
[14:44:20] jduggan: freesat is the way forth
[14:44:26] Ace2016: where?
[14:44:31] Ace2016: noo, i want dvb-t
[14:44:35] gbee: justinh: not bad, sunburnt ;)
[14:44:37] directhex: jduggan, wake me when its bitrate is at least as good as freeview
[14:44:42] Ace2016: i just invested in aerials and tv cards :(
[14:45:08] Ace2016: well we all knew that dvb-t2 was coming along
[14:45:11] jduggan: heh
[14:45:13] gbee: a mix of both is my current direction ;)
[14:45:23] jduggan: im biased because my dvb-t signal is weak++
[14:45:24] Ace2016: i mean why else would they boost transmission power in 2012?
[14:45:39] Ace2016: apart from the whole analogue disappearing
[14:45:47] gbee: Ace2016: just trials at the moment
[14:45:55] Ace2016: but analogue goes in 2009 and digital gets powered up in 2012
[14:46:43] justinh: SDTV will be dvb-t for a considerable amount of time yet
[14:46:44] justinh: I HOPE
[14:47:33] gbee: of course it will, no way Ofcom, broadcasters and the government would provoke a backlash from everyone in the country who paid out for new STBs and TVs
[14:47:57] Ace2016: i doubt they'd be able to get people switch again
[14:49:10] justinh: don't ever discount OFCOM stupidity, even on that level ;-)
[14:50:00] justinh: unlikely != impossible :)
[14:54:53] Ace2016: i wish someone would tell ebay tinytwin := tintin
[14:55:04] Ace2016: its changing my search terms
[14:55:30] gbee: justinh: yeah, you're right, I'm underestimating just how incompetent Ofcom is
[14:59:48] Ace2016: do dvb-t pci cards get as hot as dvb-s, they don't right? since dvb-s have to power the lnb and the dvb-t aerial is powered by a distribution amplifier
[15:01:09] Ace2016: look what i found!!!
[15:01:34] Ace2016: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . 230263710641
[15:01:46] Ace2016: and there are lots of them
[15:02:15] Ace2016: if i hadn't spent on dvb-t i'd get one
[15:02:36] justinh: bloody hell look at the size of that Phillips SAA chip!
[15:03:09] Ace2016: yea its big
[15:03:13] Ace2016: i have one already
[15:03:23] Ace2016: i'm just wondering if i should get another since EIT info sucked
[15:03:34] Ace2016: is dvb-s quality better than dvb-t?
[15:03:37] justinh: nope
[15:03:46] justinh: well, it isn't at the moment
[15:04:10] justinh: when ofcom aggregate 6 muxes down to 5 (to spare one for the HD services) dvb-s will be better Q
[15:04:35] Ace2016: thats only for dvb-s2 isn't it?
[15:04:46] justinh: never underestimate the incompetence of unelected quangos
[15:05:00] Ace2016: quangos?
[15:05:31] justinh: nah. freeview – which is currently on 6 muxes is going to be squished down to 5, meaning channel bitrates will be reduced
[15:05:57] Ace2016: :o
[15:06:09] justinh: sadly it doesn't mean the shopping channels are going byebyes :(
[15:06:27] Ace2016: wait but there are unused freeview channels aren't there?
[15:06:39] justinh: nope
[15:07:02] Ace2016: whats the maximum number of freeview channels, 50 something?
[15:07:05] justinh: all 6 muxes are overcrammed as it is
[15:07:39] justinh: there's no maximum number of channels
[15:08:06] Ace2016: get rid of radio, its useless
[15:08:09] Ace2016: job done
[15:08:09] justinh: theoretically you can cram any amount in, if you reduce the bitrate of enough channels sufficiently
[15:08:15] justinh: <3 radio
[15:08:31] justinh: even all the radio stations on dvb-t don't occupy the space of one tv channel
[15:08:49] justinh: they're only 192kbits max
[15:09:05] justinh: or is it 256kbit? anyway they're not significant
[15:09:24] justinh: keeping my fingers crossed for TUTV to die :D
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[15:13:35] Ace2016: i just read this "This could allow high definition broadcasting or dozens of extra standard definition channels, but viewers will need a new set-top box or a plug-in module for their IDTV."
[15:14:00] Ace2016: but can't they just add a whole new mux?
[15:14:00] JymmmEMC: Has anyone seen an ANALOG version of one of these? http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/products/hdhomerun
[15:14:07] Ace2016: or is there no space left in the spectrum?
[15:16:33] Ace2016: now i'll have 3 dvb-s tuners, 4 dvb-t tuners, i've got too much stuff
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[15:19:44] snk00sj: anyone in here using the pythong script to fetch imdb info (bulk fetches)
[15:21:57] Ace2016: does imdb have in interface that does that? or is it done by searching and grabbing the info from the html?
[15:25:16] GreyFoxx: web scraping
[15:25:57] GreyFoxx: I don't use any of the TV info grabbers at the moment, but eventually Ill get around to it
[15:26:46] GreyFoxx: I name mine consistantly so it shouldntbe too hard
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[15:40:31] dustybin: do you think this would make a nice NAS / SAN box for HD recordings:
[15:40:35] dustybin: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SUPERB-IBM-eSERVER-X220 . . . p3286.c0.m14
[15:41:48] Ace2016: gigabit ethernet
[15:43:38] Ace2016: lol, lots of people getting ripped off on ebay
[15:44:10] dustybin: i made a lot of money out of it :P
[15:44:25] Ace2016: ;)
[15:44:39] Ace2016: well i've seen sellers getting ripped off
[15:44:50] Ace2016: well stupid sellers
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[15:50:57] gbee: Ace2016: there is plenty of space in the spectrum, but the government want to auction it off for non-TV uses and make a lot of money to fill the holes in their budget just like they did with the 3G spectrum auction
[15:51:11] Ace2016: ah
[15:51:39] JymmmEMC: dustybin: I'm waiting to check one of these out when it hits the street http://netgear.com/Products/Storage/ReadyNASPro/RNDP6310.aspx
[15:51:53] Ace2016: so how does current TV work? do they rent the spectrum but on the condition that its for TV only?
[15:52:07] JymmmEMC: dustybin: Expect $2100 USD with drives (5yr warranty though)
[15:52:34] Ace2016: i can't believe someone can ask people to pay just for sending a signal a signal through the air, utterly ridiculous
[15:52:36] gbee: Ace2016: btw I posted the link to those DVB-S cards on Ebay earlier today
[15:52:44] Ace2016: oh
[15:53:01] dustybin: JymmmEMC: interesting
[15:53:14] Ace2016: i was just randomly searching for dvb-s cards because i wanted to sell mine, saw that and thought i'd get it, turned out there were 63, that was a shock
[15:53:22] gbee: but I'm starting to regret making an offer on a couple instead of buying outright, my offer could be refused and I'll end up with nothing
[15:54:23] JymmmEMC: dustybin: Mind you, per it's specs, it's software raid with hardware assist. Contacted netgear, the flash can be upgraded to 1GB, ram up to 4GB, and larger than 1TB drives via update flash (so they say)
[15:54:28] whoDat_: is there any chance of Gloss being included as part of the official mythtv package in the future?
[15:54:59] gbee: I'd like at least one at that price .... hoping the Nova-S might do better than what I've currently got in terms of signal quality
[15:55:48] JymmmEMC: dustybin: This is another one http://www.thecus.com/products_over.php?cid=11&pid=32 but I hear +/- on it, mainly they update the firmware reguallry though. but you might not want to trust it with critical data
[15:56:12] dustybin: JymmmEMC: interesting
[15:56:14] gbee: whoDat_: I'd say no chance, but what do I know? I could get run over tomorrow and mythui may not get finished ...
[15:56:20] JymmmEMC: dustybin: ~$600 USD
[15:56:48] dustybin: ok
[15:57:15] JymmmEMC: dustybin: If you search, there is a forum related to thecus boxes that give the details
[15:57:47] whoDat_: gbee: i just thought the animations on it are cool. I heard something about Elisa too, whatever that is.
[15:57:59] dustybin: aye ok
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[15:59:05] gbee: whoDat_: yeah, but it's not a proper frontend and is just duplicating work we've already done on the new UI code (I'll admit now that I'm pretty critical of it and biased towards mythui)
[15:59:33] dustybin: JymmmEMC: fast hard drives require fast CPUs i guess?
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[16:00:00] gbee: Elisa is not free, it's basically just an application designed to sell codecs
[16:00:26] JymmmEMC: dustybin: No, what they are doing is instead of having a TRUE hardware RAID, it's really software RAID.
[16:00:28] whoDat_: ahh
[16:00:42] dustybin: am i right in thinking that the nvidia closed source driver is a GPL violation?
[16:01:23] whoDat_: gbee: i see what you mean.. but a little friendly compitition isn't bad right? none of us like the monopolizing microsoft tries to do.
[16:01:24] gbee: it's not, since it doesn't use any GPL code
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[16:03:09] gbee: whoDat_: we have competition in open source _because_ it's open source, anyone can provide patches to make improvements etc, personally speaking I think starting a completely new project is the wrong approach unless there is no choice since it divides available labour
[16:03:38] whoDat_: yeah good point
[16:04:21] Ace2016: where do we get the very latest info on supported cards, there was talk of a driver being in development in late 2007 but i haven't seen anything lately
[16:04:21] gbee: think where we'd be be now if all the devs on these competiting media centre projects submitted patches to a single project
[16:05:14] whoDat_: i just read his blog, i understand what he said about it being nice to have your own project, more control over it. i have experienced that at work too.
[16:05:23] Ace2016: in a multi-platform mess with certain cards only working on some systems, and people running windows and linux backends, all sorts of stuff
[16:05:33] Ace2016: and mac users would feel left out of the party
[16:06:04] whoDat_: gbee: no doubt
[16:06:13] gbee: whoDat_: yeah, it's great for the guy who gets to be the new lead, but it's not really the most efficient use of time and effort :(
[16:06:15] Ace2016: whose blog?
[16:06:40] whoDat_: maybe this guy knows python and not C so had no way to contribute to mythfrontend
[16:07:58] gbee: we've had a UI library for mythtv which supports animation for several years now, but until now no-one has taken the time to finish it and port mythfrontend over to use it, we might be six-twelve months ahead on that project if people had worked with us
[16:08:32] whoDat_: wow didnt know there was a library for it already
[16:08:38] gbee: hell, if Isaac hadn't become so busy we could have had it finished two years ago
[16:09:06] Ace2016: are you talking about linuxmce and mythtv? or what/
[16:09:07] Ace2016: ?
[16:09:23] gbee: whoDat_: that's what I've been talking about – it's called mythui and should finally be making an appearance for 0.22, but currently I'm the only one working on it and so progress is slow
[16:10:01] whoDat_: does it run on OpenGL?
[16:10:06] gbee: but it adds the foundations for all the things people have asked for in a myth UI including the capability for animation etc
[16:10:17] gbee: whoDat_: yes
[16:10:21] whoDat_: sweet
[16:10:57] gbee: optionally it can use QT, but that's slower and animations etc may be disabled when it's used
[16:11:45] gbee: further painting engines may be available in future too, so we can use directx etc on Windows, or whatever other cool stuff comes along
[16:12:25] gbee: the UI abstracts that stuff so drop-in replacements and additions can be made
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[16:13:09] whoDat_: so even maybe a cellphone drop-in? lol
[16:13:23] Ace2016: why is mythtv going to windows?
[16:13:55] GreyFoxx: It isn't
[16:13:57] Ace2016: i mean there is windows mce and mediaportal on windows, so its like entering a pretty crowded arena, why not improve with linux?
[16:14:01] GreyFoxx: but some people want to run it on their frontend
[16:14:08] GreyFoxx: so they are patching it to run on there
[16:14:11] Ace2016: oh right
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[16:15:10] whoDat_: am i the only one annoyed by the fact that you cant go directly to a channel in the channel guide instead of scrolling too it? maybe i got used to it with the TWC DVR
[16:15:44] Ace2016: select the channel and press m
[16:16:07] GreyFoxx: And even that is configurable
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[16:16:26] whoDat_: no i mean skip right to a channel in the channel guide without closing the channel guide
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[16:17:11] gbee: you can?
[16:17:12] Ace2016: just wondering but why do you want to do that?
[16:17:21] gbee: unless I'm misunderstanding
[16:17:37] whoDat_: say i the channel guide is looking at channels 2–7
[16:17:49] whoDat_: but i want to see whats on my HD channeld (403–411)
[16:17:56] whoDat_: i have to page down like 20 times
[16:18:10] gbee: or enter "403"
[16:18:21] Ace2016: yea you can enter numbers
[16:18:34] whoDat_: on the TWC DVR you can just enter the channel number while your on the channel guide and the channel guide skips to that channel (but does not close the channel guide)
[16:18:41] GreyFoxx: whod: Tried paging up ?:)
[16:18:54] GreyFoxx: You can navigate in bnoth direction :)
[16:18:57] whoDat_: grey: lol yeah sometimes that is faster
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[16:19:04] gbee: whoDat_: already works that way – or can do, it might be optional in the settings but it works that way for me
[16:19:21] whoDat_: hmm i cant find an option for it
[16:19:51] whoDat_: works for you on the livetv guide too?
[16:20:17] gbee: second page of the "Programme Guide" settings, under "TV Settings", "Allow channel jumping in guide"
[16:20:35] whoDat_: if i hit '1' in the channel guide, the whole guide goes forward 1 day. so it looks like the number keys are mapped to other shortcuts.
[16:20:37] GreyFoxx: There are too many options ;)
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[16:21:00] gbee: way too many options, but everyone wants it to work differently :(
[16:21:29] gbee: if we changed it now then we'd get hundreds of complaints
[16:21:34] Ace2016: we should come up with a standard
[16:21:44] Ace2016: a new one
[16:21:48] GreyFoxx: I can live with complaints
[16:21:58] whoDat_: gbee: holy moly, how did i not find that option
[16:21:59] GreyFoxx: I have a strong abilityu to ignore people :)
[16:22:02] Ace2016: one which doesn't have a little window in the media guide showing whats playing now, its wasting space
[16:22:11] whoDat_: too many setup screens i guess
[16:22:20] gbee: GreyFoxx: actually so can I, but I'm not going to be the one who inflicts that headache on the other devs
[16:22:21] whoDat_: i must be blind
[16:22:32] GreyFoxx: gbee: yeah
[16:22:50] whoDat_: i think that would should default to ON
[16:22:57] whoDat_: because most other DVR's work that way
[16:22:58] gbee: despite that I intend to try and sneak in a few simplifications under the cover of the mythui port ;)
[16:23:13] Ace2016: if you have 4 tuners, then can you get them to follow you when you change channels, so you can say watch channels 1 then 2 then 3 then 4 and then go back to 2 and it would have kept recording so you can rewind to see what you missed
[16:23:15] GreyFoxx: heh
[16:23:47] GreyFoxx: Ace: There is nothign in there to do that
[16:23:59] Ace2016: :(
[16:24:00] gbee: Ace2016: gets way too complicated when you factor in scheduled recordings etc
[16:24:06] GreyFoxx: and I don't see that anytime soon
[16:24:08] whoDat_: gbee: wow, it works great. thanks =)
[16:24:30] Ace2016: it wouldn't be that hard would it?
[16:24:31] gbee: maybe someone will add that functionality in the future, but it's more complicated than it sounds
[16:24:37] GreyFoxx: Ace: IT would be very complicated
[16:25:03] GreyFoxx: Plus, are you going to remember to tell it to stop recording all 4 when you are "really" done with a fchannel ?
[16:25:13] GreyFoxx: If not then it[s gonna record forever
[16:26:30] GreyFoxx: Oh, and when frontend #2 tries to grab a tuner does it have to ask you first?
[16:26:53] GreyFoxx: Or will it silently steal it, annoying you when you can no longert jump to that one ?
[16:27:00] GreyFoxx: It's gets crazy :)
[16:28:22] whoDat_: whats the quickest way to get to like friday of next week in the channel guide
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[16:28:38] Ace2016: give livetv a priority, the three previous channels lower priorities, then give priorities for recordings above or below livetv. Then you have (last watched tuners) < (record only if free tuner is there) < (LiveTV) < (Recordings)
[16:28:43] GreyFoxx: right arrow for a long time
[16:28:52] whoDat_: grey: lo
[16:29:23] whoDat_: grey: is that what you do hehe
[16:29:54] ** whoDat_ checks key mappings. **
[16:30:01] GreyFoxx: A: I don't use livetv except for testing, B: I don't use the program guide except for "right now" scheduling. I use mythweb which is MUCH more convienient
[16:30:15] Ace2016: and it'll record in 10min chunks until you run out of disk space, and it will reserve disk space for current recordings
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[16:31:02] whoDat_: grey: you start a browser on your tv, or go into the other room on your computer just to schedule something
[16:31:24] GreyFoxx: Who, no I have laptops all over the house
[16:31:38] whoDat_: heh that works too
[16:31:45] GreyFoxx: But I sit down once a week , and run thjrough the weeks evenings and schedule the entire week
[16:32:02] GreyFoxx: and most of my stuff is "record anytime on that channel"
[16:32:13] GreyFoxx: so I schedule it once at the start of the season and never again
[16:32:20] Ace2016: how much disk space do you have?
[16:32:37] whoDat_: grey: wont that setting grab repeats though?
[16:33:05] GreyFoxx: Ace: 3TB between recording space, and video storage
[16:33:16] GreyFoxx: whod: Nope
[16:33:27] GreyFoxx: Well yes if I've never recorded it before
[16:33:36] GreyFoxx: but after getting a show once it wont record it again
[16:33:48] GreyFoxx: hence why a good source of listings data is important
[16:33:51] Ace2016: how much space do you have left?
[16:33:51] whoDat_: ahh, okay. iwas a but confused about that
[16:34:14] whoDat_: grey: what about 'record in this timeslot every week', will that record a repeat if you already recorded it a couple weeks ago
[16:34:24] GreyFoxx: Ace: Why ?
[16:34:26] GreyFoxx: And it
[16:34:48] GreyFoxx: s in two seperate volumes, 1TB for myth, 2 for videos+whatever else I stick on there
[16:34:52] Ace2016: just owndering
[16:34:56] Ace2016: wondering*
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[16:35:25] GreyFoxx: Ace: Currently I have about 800G free on the myth recordings raid
[16:35:34] GreyFoxx: as not much is being recorded with shows on hiatus
[16:35:41] GreyFoxx: and as we watch we are deleting
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[16:36:04] GreyFoxx: the Archive is filling up tho, so gonna expand it soon
[16:36:41] whoDat_: /dev/sda3 383820328 382830340 989988 100% /myth
[16:36:47] whoDat_: lol maybe its time for me to delete too
[16:37:06] GreyFoxx: I could let auto e3xpire do it, but I prefer a clean watch recordings list
[16:37:08] Ace2016: \o/
[16:37:21] GreyFoxx: so stuff one of us hasn't watched gets moved to another recording group
[16:37:32] GreyFoxx: and when/if both have seen it we delete it
[16:38:14] whoDat_: what? your saying your wife/gf knows how to use mythtv? ;)
[16:38:25] GreyFoxx: She wont touch "real" TV
[16:38:40] GreyFoxx: We've been a mythtv house for 5 years :)
[16:39:09] GreyFoxx: She even schedules her own stuff in mythweb
[16:39:31] GreyFoxx: we have have a seperate recordings groups so her stuff, and my daughterrs stuff are in their own lists
[16:39:57] whoDat_: she's never messed anything up on you?
[16:40:02] GreyFoxx: Nope
[16:40:17] GreyFoxx: Other than deleted a show she thought I had already recorded
[16:40:21] GreyFoxx: err watched
[16:40:46] Ace2016: but you set them to mark for autoexpire right?
[16:41:02] GreyFoxx: by default all are set to auto expire
[16:41:19] GreyFoxx: We just never use that feature ourselves
[16:41:50] GreyFoxx: Heck my parents and my grandparents have been myth users for years now :)
[16:42:05] GreyFoxx: never hear from them :)
[16:42:34] whoDat_: are they on the same myth cluster? that would be cool
[16:42:42] GreyFoxx: nope, seperate  :)
[16:43:07] GreyFoxx: bandwidth is an issue there :)
[16:43:28] whoDat_: yeah, it would be cool though. your mom could say hey, watch what i recorded on friday.
[16:43:35] GreyFoxx: I have a slave backend at work though which is a slave of my house network
[16:43:48] GreyFoxx: but I have insane bw between home and work
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[16:45:17] whoDat_: a slave backend copies the stuff to its local drive if you want it to, right?
[16:45:53] GreyFoxx: I think there is an option for that
[16:46:06] GreyFoxx: My work slave writes to it's local drive and I stream,, from there
[16:46:14] GreyFoxx: my house machines write to a common NFS location
[16:47:28] whoDat_: myth for me is only one box. unless i decide to run mythfrontend on my laptop and hook it up to my bedroom tv.
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[16:49:28] JymmmEMC: ping?
[16:50:08] whoDat_: pong
[16:54:17] JymmmEMC: Maybe someone can point me in the right direction here... If someone knows an ANALOG version I can buy, I'll pay $25 finders fee. http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/products/hdhomerun I'm just tired of having 42 boxes setup all over the place, my garage is starting to look like a computer recycling center. I saw the SlingBox, but only a single tuner and proprietary software, where the hdhomerun can use vlc and work on any platform (using nix/win/ma
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[16:55:32] iamlindoro: JymmmEMC: There is none.
[16:55:50] JymmmEMC: I even tried looking for an analog-to-digital tuner to toss on the back end of the hfhomerun, but no luck there either.
[16:56:00] directhex: why?
[16:56:04] neztiti: GreyFoxx:hi
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[16:56:09] directhex: isn't analog switchoff soon in yankland?
[16:56:45] JymmmEMC: directhex: Yes, but on analog cable here, and switching to digital cable jumps from $20/mo to $80/mo
[16:57:00] GreyFoxx: Jymm: Analog over the air or analog cable ?
[16:57:08] JymmmEMC: Now you know why I'm willing to pay the finders fee
[16:57:16] JymmmEMC: GreyFoxx: analog cable
[16:57:25] GreyFoxx: Why not just a pvr 500 ?
[16:57:43] GreyFoxx: dual tuner, single input
[16:57:56] JymmmEMC: looking...
[16:58:19] GreyFoxx: It's a pci card, unless you have a true need for ethernet based
[16:58:36] directhex: :O
[16:58:46] JymmmEMC: GreyFoxx: I do, we have nix/win/mac on the net.
[16:58:53] directhex: i have *never* seen a retail game which forces you to install mysql/odbc before you can play
[16:59:01] GreyFoxx: Jym: What does that have to do with it ?
[16:59:12] directhex: JymmmEMC, the entire point of having mythtv would be to be the single-point-of-recording
[17:00:00] JymmmEMC: GreyFoxx: I'm sorry, did I miss something in my original explanation (no sarcasim intended)
[17:00:38] GreyFoxx: jymm: I'm trying to understand what the OS's of your machines matter? Are you not going to use mythbackend to record the connect?
[17:00:51] GreyFoxx: err record the content
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[17:03:06] EvilGuru: directhex: What game requires that?
[17:03:14] directhex: EvilGuru, caesar 4
[17:03:27] JymmmEMC: GreyFoxx: No, I don't plan on recording, just watching live. We've owned every ATI AIW card they've ever put out. The problem is that every time we upgrade we've been locked into specific hardware. It's just gotten old and too much of a PITA. I'd rather have something now that is LAN based and can be utilized on any platform. Especially since VLC works on all three and can control /change channels
[17:03:54] directhex: JymmmEMC, why are you in #mythtv-users ?
[17:04:32] GreyFoxx: Jymm: You have to assume that when you come to myth channels asking we would give answers and suggestions assuming a use with myth :) You should have said that firset :)
[17:04:53] GreyFoxx: No, I don't know what is best for use with live streaming to various os's as yoiu describe :)
[17:04:56] JymmmEMC: directhex: Because you folks come across a lot of TV hardware and may have seen something I missed
[17:05:12] GreyFoxx: maybe VLC with some vod setup
[17:06:01] JymmmEMC: GreyFoxx: My apologies there
[17:07:37] JymmmEMC: I was just looking for a piece of "mythical" (so it seems) hardware solution is all.
[17:08:27] GreyFoxx: VLC could likely be setup to do Video On Demand with a few tuners
[17:09:08] JymmmEMC: GreyFoxx: Are hauppauge tuners the best to start tinkering with?
[17:09:13] GreyFoxx: yes
[17:09:21] GreyFoxx: they output standard mpeg2
[17:09:26] GreyFoxx: and not cpu needed for recording
[17:09:35] GreyFoxx: so a celeron 333 would be enough :)
[17:09:56] JymmmEMC: Ah, ok. I got craploads of dual P3 1G boards around here.
[17:10:12] JymmmEMC: with remote mgnt even =)
[17:10:53] JymmmEMC: GreyFoxx: which platform do they do well on?
[17:11:15] GreyFoxx: They are the analog card of choice for linux/myth
[17:11:32] GreyFoxx: no clue about how well they would work under windows
[17:11:46] GreyFoxx: but you'd be most flexible with linux
[17:12:36] JymmmEMC: GreyFoxx: PITA to setup under nix (have to compile)?
[17:13:31] GreyFoxx: Compiling should not be a pain in the butt :)
[17:13:38] GreyFoxx: but no, most distros include it
[17:13:48] GreyFoxx: ivtv is in the kernel these days
[17:14:42] JymmmEMC: GreyFoxx: Ah, ok. I guess things have come a long ways since I last looked.
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[17:17:22] JymmmEMC: Hmmm, I can't find PVR-500 on their products page, only under support. What about their HVR series?
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[17:35:10] gbee: HVR support is more patchy in linux, they are the newer generation of cards
[17:35:53] iamlindoro: The HVR equivalent of the 500 is the 2250, which isn't out yet
[17:36:30] iamlindoro: There are duals out right now (1800) but that's one digital, one analog. If you want dual analog/dual digital, then it's the 2250.
[17:36:54] iamlindoro: Otherwise, just buy a perfectly well supported PVR-500 from Newegg
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[17:44:50] JymmmEMC: ok, thanks folks. Much appreciated.
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[17:54:01] dustybin: you dont get much more geek than this
[17:54:04] dustybin: http://m0n0.ch/wall/gallery/90.jpg
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[18:02:47] iamlindoro: When will people learn that you do NOT need a foul mass of wires and bare circuit boards to be geeky? Geeks can cable manage, too :)
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[18:06:21] directhex: geeky is doing home networking with NUMAlink cables
[18:08:25] crayolarx: Would "Lossless Transcoding" be what I want to do if I didn't want lose any quality, but I did want it to cut out the commercials that were flagged?
[18:08:32] iamlindoro: crayolarx: yes
[18:08:41] crayolarx: ok cool thanks
[18:09:38] gbee: I must be getting progressively less geeky, I've thrown out my collection of old components, I've reduced the number of machines I have, I've tidied up cabling and I'm just as likely to use a GUI instead of the command line
[18:10:31] gbee: might even bin my Cat 5 crimping tool
[18:12:31] directhex: :o
[18:14:00] jduggan: lol
[18:14:05] jduggan: dont bin it
[18:14:06] jduggan: post it to me
[18:14:07] jduggan: ;P
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[18:22:32] CoreDump: gbee: it's only natural ;) Just keep the crimping tool and get rid of the assembled cruft
[18:25:17] justinh: gbee: if you have *any* geek left in you at all, that junk will return eventually. I keep trying to change my ways
[18:25:33] justinh: junk is junked, only to be replaced by other junk eventually
[18:26:32] CoreDump: True, but the junk is getting collected more slowly
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[18:29:23] defendguin: i've been having some issues with the program guide sticking from time to time the guide will stop responding at which point it seems to start storing lirc commands and when ever it unsticks it will use all the commands that were input. this does not seem to be limited to lirc input though because it happens if i plug in a keyboard too. i ran top through an ssh terminal and the processor isn't working excessively
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[18:31:01] defendguin: moving through the normal menu is flawless changing channels while watching tv works only the guide is messed up
[18:41:42] gbee: sweet, my offer on those Nova-S was accepted – 2 cards for £30 inc postage (or $60 US)
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[18:42:04] defendguin: i'm using mythbuntu 8.04
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[18:46:20] |Torg|: dustybin: check this out, https://hds.webex.com/hds/j.php?ED=97274672&UID=1002377627 I used a similar method of making a case for a monowall firewall not too long ago :)
[18:47:08] |Torg|: oops wrong url :)
[18:47:15] |Torg|: http://www.instructables.com/id/Homemade-Plastic/
[18:47:17] |Torg|: there you go :)
[18:48:18] defendguin: i tried turning off floating channel selector and channel icons but that didn't make a difference
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[18:54:34] Ace2016: Hi all
[18:54:36] Ace2016: i'm back
[18:54:39] Ace2016: gbee: the seller sent a counter offer
[18:54:56] Ace2016: obviously i made him another offer
[18:55:13] Ace2016: aww i can't wait untill its over and i can see all the offers everyone made
[18:56:01] EvilGuru: Ace2016: Doesn't have the same ring to it as it does when Arnie says it :/
[18:56:20] Ace2016: who is Arnie?
[18:57:13] EvilGuru: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000216/
[18:57:42] Ace2016: oh right
[18:59:08] gbee: Ace2016: my offer was accepted, even at full price it was a bargin, but I managed to knock £7 off the total for the two cards
[19:00:29] Ace2016: 11.50? thats how low you went? on the first offer!?!
[19:01:12] Ace2016: i went to £7.50
[19:01:22] Ace2016: but he countered
[19:02:08] Ace2016: why does that guy have so many cards?
[19:04:28] gbee: Ace2016: I'm pretty reasonable and didn't really want to be messing about with offers I was pretty sure wouldn't be accepted ;) £11.50 is still a bargin, even if he might have accepted a lower offer
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[19:04:43] eNeRGi: hey
[19:04:53] Ace2016: he had lots of cards, it looked as if he'd accept it
[19:05:03] eNeRGi: does anyone know where to start looking if the frontend doesn't want to load plug-ins after a package upgrade?
[19:05:12] eNeRGi: I'm using packmans packages for suse
[19:05:34] gbee: Ace2016: yeah, possibly
[19:05:59] eNeRGi: I (foolishly) upgraded to the latest package versions a couple of days ago, and now no plug-ins (mythvideo, etc, all deinterlace filters) are loaded :/
[19:06:17] eNeRGi: anyone have a tip where to start looking?
[19:06:31] gbee: eNeRGi: have you upgraded the plugin package(s) as well?
[19:06:43] eNeRGi: yeah, twice :/
[19:06:54] eNeRGi: as in, there were two upgrades
[19:07:07] eNeRGi: made no difference
[19:07:28] eNeRGi: I should just learn my lesson and start locking mythtv packages :)
[19:07:34] eNeRGi: but I need to get this working first
[19:07:45] gbee: hmm, can't help much, I don't use packages and I don't use Suse
[19:08:16] eNeRGi: are plug-ins defined somewhere or is the frontend supposed to automatically detect and load them?
[19:08:19] eNeRGi: anyone know?
[19:08:19] gbee: no filters either? Could be they are being installed in the wrong place
[19:08:27] eNeRGi: could be
[19:08:35] eNeRGi: but I'm not sure where to start :)
[19:10:02] defendguin: i also tried turning the shading to the lowest cpu intensive setting and it didn't make a difference
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[19:10:56] eNeRGi: however, it really sounds to me as the frontend was simply borken
[19:11:22] gbee: 0.21-fixes packages or trunk?
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[19:11:29] eNeRGi: 0.21 fixes
[19:12:20] eNeRGi: MythTV Branch  : branches/release-0-21-fixes
[19:12:21] eNeRGi: Library API  : 0.21.20080304–1
[19:13:31] gbee: eNeRGi: ok, seems that the install prefix was broken during last week but was quickly fixed, guess the Suse packages were pulled and built at the wrong moment
[19:13:49] eNeRGi: ouch
[19:14:05] gbee: yeah
[19:14:34] eNeRGi: could be, the frontend packages were built on the 18th it seems
[19:14:48] gbee: your options are to downgrade if Suse's package manager supports that, or hope that updated packages are made available in the next 24–48 hours
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[19:15:26] eNeRGi: it seems as if the old packages are removed from the server as soon as a new version is released
[19:15:40] eNeRGi: hmm... btw, there hasn't been db schema changes right?
[19:15:50] eNeRGi: I mean so that I don't break anything if I manage to downgrade :)
[19:16:26] gbee: shouldn't have been any
[19:16:43] eNeRGi: good
[19:16:59] eNeRGi: I have backups, but it's always a hassle to start fuzzing about with the db
[19:17:02] eNeRGi: thanks man
[19:17:23] eNeRGi: I'll just have to wait or alternatively try to find older packages I guess
[19:21:11] neztiti: guys i have 50% cpu with free channels , its normal for prosseser 3000x2 and ram 512 with nvidia fx5200 ultra??
[19:22:59] eNeRGi: mpeg2?
[19:23:17] neztiti: sure
[19:23:31] eNeRGi: I'm watching the euro2008 right now
[19:23:39] eNeRGi: have a 3ghz c2d as well
[19:23:42] eNeRGi: ~5% cpu
[19:23:50] neztiti: ram??
[19:23:54] eNeRGi: 2gb :)
[19:24:24] eNeRGi: but I'd say that that wouldn't affect the CPU usage
[19:24:37] neztiti: its here with double cpu 40/ 50% with free channel
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[19:28:34] CatPasswd: Hey folks. I want to completely clear the DB and rebuild it. My database days were over 20 years ago... Can I get an assist?
[19:29:17] CatPasswd: drop database mythconverg ; ?
[19:29:33] CoreDump: use the mysql-admin admin guy
[19:29:40] CoreDump: *GUI
[19:30:02] CatPasswd: Nifty. Didn't know there was one
[19:30:04] CatPasswd: thanks
[19:30:36] CoreDump: mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql imports an empty mythtv DB
[19:31:16] CatPasswd: Yes, I can follow the install instructions. I just want to be sure I clean everything out and can't seem to find that info anywhere
[19:34:11] CoreDump: neztiti: could be a GFX driver problem (missing video acceleration?)
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[19:35:04] CatPasswd: CoreDump: No such binary "mysql-admin"
[19:35:46] CatPasswd: how about /usr/bin/mysqladmin drop mythconverg
[19:36:04] CoreDump: dropping mythconverg will do the trick, yes
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[19:40:14] Inferus: lo all, I have a Avermedia DVB-T USB 2.0, and I am trying to set up mythtv. I am struggling to find a signal. Is there any software whereby I can see 'live' the signal strength I am receiving please? Rather than have to keep scanning for channels
[19:40:44] CatPasswd: CoreDump: Is information_schema database part of the mythtv?
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[19:41:51] CatPasswd: hm. nevermind
[19:43:35] CatPasswd: Inferus: Does lsusb -v pick up the device?
[19:44:39] Inferus: Anyone had the same sort of situation as me ? :)
[19:45:29] Inferus: Sorry, I am on windows
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[19:45:39] ** CatPasswd blinks **
[19:45:54] Inferus: Device works fine, I am struggling to find an aerial
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[19:46:08] Inferus: Trying to figure out what direction is the strongest for pointing my aerial :-)
[19:46:40] CatPasswd: meh. Which flavor of windows
[19:46:53] lanuser: Hello – is there a list somehwere of the dev packages required to compile MythTV from source on Ubuntu 8.04?
[19:46:58] CatPasswd: I despise vista.
[19:47:08] Dagmar: lanuser: You're expected to already know those sorts of things.
[19:47:30] Dagmar: If you were qualified to be building from source, you would already know those things.
[19:47:44] lanuser: Dagmar: yes, by this time I should but I've switched from Debian to Ubuntu and the package names/versions don't quite jive
[19:47:52] Inferus: I figured being in a channel of linux people I would have more chance, most Windows admins are dumb
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[19:48:12] lanuser: I can figure it out, but just thought I'd get an easy answer for a lazy question
[19:48:21] CatPasswd: Inferus: Windows flavor?
[19:48:51] CatPasswd: lanuser: http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php
[19:48:58] Inferus: hehe yeah
[19:49:02] Inferus: Vista, sorry I lagged
[19:49:06] Inferus: (Don't hurt me)
[19:49:48] lanuser: CatPasswd: thanks, I'll peruse that site
[19:49:50] CatPasswd: Dump vista. Get XP pro. If they hadn't stopped supporting win2k, I'd still have that. :(
[19:50:19] Dagmar: Why would he need pro
[19:50:40] Inferus: CatPasswd: can't be bothered. I don't have too much trouble with vista
[19:50:48] CatPasswd: I don't suppose he needs it. I just prefer pro
[19:51:04] Inferus: I have pro on my other laptop, and my desktop :-)
[19:52:09] Dagmar: Better racing stripe compatibility I suppose
[19:53:28] Inferus: :-)
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[19:53:54] Inferus: So any ideas how I can get a signal with my a800 please chaps
[19:54:40] Ace2016: Inferus: which country are you in?
[19:54:48] Inferus: UK
[19:56:50] Ace2016: Inferus: you can use this to find where to point the aerial for dvb-t: http://www.wolfbane.com/cgi-bin/tva.exe
[19:57:37] Inferus: "Amplified extra hi-gain"
[19:57:44] Inferus: I guess that isn't good!
[19:58:12] Ace2016: for me it said log periodic
[19:58:20] Inferus: Heh
[19:58:29] Inferus: Ace2016: do you think it would be good if i try to manually add channels to the software
[19:58:37] Inferus: then move the aerial
[19:58:38] Dagmar: It would be better to look in the wiki
[19:58:42] Dagmar: ...where it's documented.
[19:58:44] Ace2016: no scan for channels
[19:59:03] Inferus: ok
[19:59:13] Inferus: thanks for the help guys, will have atry now
[19:59:16] Inferus: thanks
[19:59:18] Ace2016: you find the nearest transmitter, point the aerial at it, use an analogue tv to measure how good the alignment is
[19:59:25] Inferus: Ok
[19:59:30] Inferus: try that now :-)
[19:59:32] Inferus: thanks again
[19:59:34] Ace2016: the analogue picture quality is the best way to tell
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[20:00:49] Ace2016: april fools day in 2012, internesting how they picked that for the change over
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[20:02:08] Dagmar: Beg pardon?
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[20:02:43] Dagmar: In Bolivia maybe
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[20:06:03] CoreDump: go germany go ;)
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[20:07:43] Ace2016: well bbc2 is off on the 01-Apr-12, the rest on 30th, other parts of the country go dark earlier
[20:08:20] Ace2016: although i think everywhere should go dark at the same time, pick one date and stick to it
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[20:09:23] directhex: it's per region
[20:09:47] directhex: sections of wales are already digital-only
[20:10:38] Ace2016: but they have bbc2 in analogue lol
[20:10:41] |Torg|: isnt wales one of the poorer regions?
[20:10:49] directhex: the idea being to slowly introduce it in areas of low to high population density, in order
[20:11:07] directhex: so london comes last of all
[20:11:12] |Torg|: thats the exact opposite of how they do it in the US
[20:11:14] Ace2016: lol: it was partially unsuccessful as residents insisted that BBC Two Wales be left broadcasting in analogue as they felt that the digital replacement, BBC 2W, which opts out from BBC Two from 20:30 to 22:00 on weekdays, shows too much Welsh programming
[20:11:47] Ace2016: thats silly
[20:12:12] |Torg|: so you get the poor people to buy HD tvs, brilliant
[20:12:50] Ace2016: do it in terms of ease of access, i mean people in london can buy an stb easily, but people in remote areas may find it harder, and may not have digital tv
[20:13:02] directhex: |Torg|, a set-top box is about £10
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[20:13:13] Ace2016: most people get set top boxes, it'll do untill they upgrade
[20:13:19] |Torg|: directhex: you mean the digital to analog converters?
[20:13:45] directhex: |Torg|, a box with an RF modulator? very uncommon
[20:14:11] directhex: |Torg|, europe has an ubiquitous 21-pin multi-protocol analog connector called SCART. most devices like dvd players or games consoles attach via SCART
[20:14:53] |Torg|: we have them in the US, im still waitig on the FCC to give me my coupon I asked for about a year ago, it converts ATSC HD to NTSC SD for those peope who dont have HD tvs, they are somewhat cheap, and are sold at such high end elctroic stores as Wal-Mart
[20:15:25] directhex: |Torg|, RF modulator boxes are something else, and honestly, i haven't actually seen one since digital tv went live here
[20:16:21] Dagmar: Hit up the website again
[20:16:27] directhex: |Torg|, SCART is daisy-chainable, bidirectional, and has the ability to grab focus – so generally, turn on TV, turn on STB, and you're switched over to the STB's control. there are no "channels" involved, just "AV1" or "AV2"
[20:16:28] Dagmar: Theres multiple vendors you could get the coupons from
[20:16:36] |Torg|: I dont have one as all my TVs are digital anyway, but all the ones in the US do is letterbox HD and RF modulate it to NTSC
[20:17:49] directhex: |Torg|, widescreen SD has been the norm since forever in europe, so the only difference between HD and SD digital broadcasts is the resolution
[20:18:04] |Torg|: yes directhex I know
[20:18:08] directhex: |Torg|, even on analog, 16:9 is common for all vagyely recent programming
[20:20:56] |Torg|: in fact my first wide screen TV was PAL
[20:21:28] directhex: i don't know when i last saw a 4:3 TV bigger than a 14" portable job
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[20:45:40] alexvd_: hi does anyone know how to reset a serial port. I have an issue where sometimes my directv box will timeout with my channel change script. I found that to reset it I can connect my windows laptop with the DTVConnect program and then it will be fine when I connect back to my backend. I am wondering if thier is a way to reset over that port /dev/ttyS0 and achieve the same thing without bothering to use that windows prog
[20:45:40] alexvd_: ram
[20:47:49] jamesd: perhaps setserial can do it.. but haven't tried it
[20:48:30] alexvd_: I have tried setserial in the past.
[20:48:50] alexvd_: what kind of setserial command would I issue?
[20:49:03] alexvd_: setserial /dev/ttyS0 ???
[20:49:20] Dagmar: I'd say replace the STB
[20:50:52] jamesd: alexvd_, i would see if just changing the baud rate from one speed to another and back should be enough to reset the port .
[20:51:17] alexvd_: tried that too many times
[20:52:41] alexvd_: dagmar: plan on doing that as soon as hdmvp are fully supported. i have two sitting in boxes.
[20:54:12] jamesd: minicom can do, you could look at the source and write a C program to do it.
[20:54:37] gbee: alexvd_: have you tried setserial in any way as suggested by jamesd?
[20:54:52] alexvd_: jamesd: i wish but i am not a programmer
[20:55:29] alexvd_: gbee: not sure which way to try it.
[20:55:47] AndyCap: w
[20:55:57] alexvd_: gbee: i have tried in the past
[20:57:10] alexvd_: I am sure its the old channel script I use. The boxes are very old rcadrd420 and sony
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[20:57:27] alexvd_: the script is the old sony.pl script which is ancient
[20:57:27] gbee: well I'm not sure what combination of parameters might work so I'd try several, but something like "setserial uart none /dev/ttys0" followed by "setserial autoconfig /dev/ttys0" might work
[20:58:04] alexvd_: gbee: ok I will give it a try
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[20:58:25] gbee: pure guesswork though, I don't have a serial controlled STB, my only experience with serial ports under linux comes from using serial IR recievers
[20:58:30] AndyCap: alexvd_: are you sure that it is the serial port that is the problem and not some magic command it sends to the box?
[20:59:31] AndyCap: alexvd_: did you even restart the linux box when you connect the windows laptop?
[21:00:38] alexvd_: andycap: I am not sure. Yes I have tried restarting before. All i know is that when I connect the serial cable to the laptop and then issue some channel changes
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[21:01:05] alexvd_: then i connect back to the linux box mythtvbackend it works again. No timeout issue
[21:01:21] AndyCap: alexvd_: so you never do anything on the linux box? sounds like you're barking up the wrong tree then.
[21:01:33] AndyCap: apart from disconnecting and reconnecting the cable?
[21:01:59] alexvd_: Andycap: As I said I have tried restarting the linux box. Doing baudrate changes, using setserial. checking for serial port conflicts
[21:02:41] AndyCap: alexvd_: yes, but that's not what I asked.
[21:02:48] alexvd_: Andycap: the only reason I use the windows laptop with DTV connect is because that has a channel change directv program that I could use to test if it was working
[21:03:10] alexvd_: that is the cable, and dtv box.
[21:03:15] AndyCap: when the box goes from non-working to working, is all you need to connect the windows laptop, run the program and connect the cable back in your myth bo?
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[21:03:26] alexvd_: yes
[21:03:46] AndyCap: so why do you think you need to reset your serial port, sounds like the wrong solution to mee.
[21:04:31] alexvd_: sorry I probably use the wrong terminology. I probably meant to ask is their anyway to send a rest command via command line to the serial port out to the DTV box
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[21:05:01] AndyCap: sounds more like the tuner and or script gets out "of sync" with the commands or something. the question is what is the correct commands to send to the box to reset it.
[21:05:16] alexvd_: Andycap: exactly!!!
[21:05:40] AndyCap: alexvd_: one thing that does happen when you unplug and replug the cable is that the control lines gets tickled. Not sure how many of them are wired in your cable thouhg.
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[21:06:28] alexvd_: well I have two boxes connected to this backend via serial ports. The second works with no issue on /dev/ttyS1
[21:06:37] AndyCap: alexvd_: but. to figure out what is happening you should probably find someone who's more expert with the cable changing script.
[21:06:48] alexvd_: the first has the issue since I rebooted on /dev/ttyS0
[21:06:51] AndyCap: alexvd_: oh, ok. :) wonder if the serialport settings are all the same.
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[21:07:22] AndyCap: alexvd_: you could look at what setserial says,, and "stty < /dev/ttyS0" and ttyS1.
[21:07:23] alexvd_: yes basically the only change is the script is modified to call /dev/ttyS0
[21:07:27] theDarkAura: should i get a wintv-1600 or the 1800?
[21:08:22] AndyCap: alexvd_: I am just guessing now. but I would think that the one who wrote the script had sniffed the windows program output to see what it sends down the wire.
[21:08:26] alexvd_: Andycap: is that the command syntax stty </dev/ttyS0
[21:08:35] J-e-f-f-A: theDarkAura: Well, the 1800 is dual tuners from what I understand (both digital and analog are usable at the same time) — 1600 ie either-or. 1800 is also PCIe
[21:08:52] AndyCap: alexvd_: that tells you what terminal settings are in use for that serial port
[21:09:07] AndyCap: alexvd_: things like cr/lf translation etc.
[21:09:14] theDarkAura: ohhh i c — that helps a lot jeff i thought they were both pci :-/
[21:09:27] AndyCap: alexvd_: compare ttyS0 and S1 see if they look the same
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[21:10:01] alexvd_: ok checking now
[21:10:52] alexvd_: Andycap: no output when I issued that. Running mythbuntu if that matters
[21:11:06] CatPasswd: 1600/1800 are functionally equivalent. 1800 though is PCIe 1x
[21:11:34] ** J-e-f-f-A is considering replacing his PVR-500, HD3000 and HD5500 with a couple 1800's... **
[21:11:39] AndyCap: alexvd_: um, that's a little odd. :) could be mythbuntu related, but no idea.
[21:12:07] J-e-f-f-A: CatPasswd: Almost – the 1800 is true individual tuners for ATSC and Analog. 1600 can only use one tuner at a time.
[21:12:16] alexvd_: nevermind it worked must have fat fingered
[21:12:18] AndyCap: alexvd_: http://rafb.net/p/ur4hC384.html
[21:12:19] theDarkAura: thanks guys — i will have to get the 1600 because i am using a older mobo i appreciate the help :)
[21:12:43] AndyCap: alexvd_: ok. just some sample output there. Not a correct output. I don't have any serial tuners. :)
[21:13:19] alexvd_: Andycap: well compared the two and they are identical
[21:13:33] CatPasswd: J-e-f-f-A: Hm. I suppose I didn't look into it that deeply. I got the 1800 because I liked the idea of PCIe bandwidth
[21:13:51] theDarkAura: i wounder if there is a performance drop due to the standard pci on the 1600...
[21:13:54] AndyCap: alexvd_: ok. not the problem there then. :P
[21:14:18] iamlindoro: theDarkAura: Not at all, the bandwitch used by hardware encoding and digital tuners is a tiny tiny fraction of PCI
[21:14:39] theDarkAura: oh great then :)
[21:15:02] gbee: Ace2016: looks like I didn't do too bad with the 11.50, average accepted offer was 12.50
[21:15:12] AndyCap: alexvd_: not sure what to check next then. :) this is a silly question but are both tuners running the same firmware and hardware revision?
[21:15:15] CatPasswd: It's the symmetry. Probably pointless, but the capture and the video card being on the same bus just appealed to me. :)
[21:15:15] Ace2016: oh it ended, let me see
[21:15:35] gbee: seems like he was willing to go lower the more cards that were ordered
[21:15:37] Ace2016: :(
[21:15:52] Ace2016: oh well, he'll probably relist them
[21:19:06] alexvd_: Andycap: yes identitical. its a very wierd quirk. It happens at times when the box has to reboot. I used to have to rebuild mythtv until I figured out dtvconnect could reset it :)
[21:22:46] AndyCap: alexvd_: well. you could try running minicom, sending a break on the serialport and retrying. Not sure if I have that many other ideas, except sniffing the serial port output and watching what dtvconnect does
[21:23:19] alexvd_: I am going to google minicom and see if that will work
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[21:23:42] AndyCap: alexvd_: it's a serial comms program like procomm and telix
[21:24:15] alexvd_: can I run it remote from the terminal on another machine?
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[21:24:30] AndyCap: alexvd_: yeah
[21:24:44] alexvd_: AndyCap: cool going to give it a shot
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[21:36:08] alexvd_: Andycap: so I have minicom installed and setup in ubuntu. Any idea what I should do now to get it to reset the box
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[21:37:54] AndyCap: alexvd_: "Ctrl-A F" sends a break
[21:38:11] AndyCap: alexvd_: what tuner is htis?
[21:38:31] alexvd_: Andycap: this is /dev/ttyS0
[21:38:50] alexvd_: the box is a rca drd420e
[21:39:45] alexvd_: Andycap: so just hold down teh control A AND F buttons???
[21:40:15] AndyCap: alexvd_: no. hold control, press a. let control go and press f
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[21:41:23] alexvd_: Andycap: ok did that still getting the timeout errors.
[21:42:56] alexvd_: Andycap: I think I am just going to have to boot windows on another box and run dtvconnect. I dont want to waste your time anymore. Enjoy your Sunday!!
[21:43:07] defendguin: hmmm mythtv is also displaying one less channel in the program guide than the config says it should
[21:44:31] alexvd_: Andycap: dam I have no more machines with serial ports :(, I will have to wait till Tuesday until i get my windoze work laptop back.
[21:47:44] defendguin: could someone please help me figure out when the program guide is sucking so hard?
[21:48:21] defendguin: i've been having some issues with the program guide sticking from time to time the guide will stop responding at which point it seems to start storing lirc commands and when ever it unsticks it will use all the commands that were input. this does not seem to be limited to lirc input though because it happens if i plug in a keyboard too. i ran top through an ssh terminal and the processor isn't working excessively hard
[21:49:02] defendguin: I've tried adjusting many settings for the program guide but i have had no luck
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[21:54:18] defendguin: i don't even know what i should be looking at to see why it is sticking
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[22:51:31] atrus: i scheduled a couple of recordings. mythtv seems to have recorded them, and mythweb even sees them, but mythfrontend can't seem to see them. (the only recordings it sees are "live tv" ones). suggestions?
[22:51:50] xris: stop filtering by livetv
[22:52:29] atrus: i'm not aware i started filtering... :)
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[22:53:06] atrus: oh. hm, now it works. not sure what changed exactly.
[22:53:08] leprechau: brb....
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[23:12:15] Nostahl: heyey guys
[23:12:21] Nostahl: setting up a frontend for thefirst time
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[23:13:44] Nostahl: it told me to setup the new password in the backend's database?
[23:13:47] Nostahl: how do i do that
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[23:35:39] Nostahl: hey guys
[23:35:48] Nostahl: where on the backend do i set up passwords for frontends
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[23:49:17] Nostahl: anyone around
[23:50:05] coolerguy: no
[23:50:06] coolerguy: :P
[23:50:11] Nostahl: heh
[23:50:22] Nostahl: how do i setup the password for the frontend on the backend
[23:50:30] Nostahl: it says it auto generated a password and gave it to me
[23:50:49] Nostahl: so i just have to set it up so i can connect to the mysql db on the backend
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[23:52:54] coolerguy: dunno
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