Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, June 27th, 2008, 00:04 UTC

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newpers:

any recommendations on tvs?

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newpers:

or tv review sites

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flouge1:

is there an easy way to remount a usb hard drive

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sphery:

newpers: You can find a lot of information (perhaps too much) on avsforum.com . And, BTW, Chutt is the guy who started the project, so without him, you wouldn't have MythTV. :)

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newpers:

I thought he was funny

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newpers:

and really did like hime

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newpers:

him

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sphery:

don't know of any good review sites that provide quick, "which should I buy" recommendations

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newpers:

so let him know if you all thought iwas being sarcastic

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sphery:

let's just say that someone tends to come into that channel every couple of days and say that it should be renamed.

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newpers:

i was just look for something like head-fi.org

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newpers:

oh

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newpers:

hahah

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newpers:

sorry then

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sphery:

it's no big deal--you're definitely not the only one to do it. :)

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sphery:

it's just that the powers-that-be seem to be more concerned about teaching the world the value of reading the channel topic /before/ typing anything

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newpers:

yeha, i use irssi and usually don't see the topic

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sphery:

and, there are actually quite a few other projects that name channels the way myth does

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sphery:

need a new theme

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newpers:

heh... probably so

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sphery:

Or, you could /topic when you join the channel.

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atlanta800:

why would mythtv seg fault why trying to play a dvd

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sphery:

atlanta800: what version of Myth?

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sphery:

atlanta800: if you're using one built from the released MythTV version (i.e. the 0.21 tarballs), DVD playback doesn't work.

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sphery:

atlanta800: You need to be using a 0.21-fixes version

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sphery:

if you're using a version of MythTV installed from a package, it's probably a 0.21-fixes version, though.

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atlanta800:

updated install of Mythbuntu, lemme check the version

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sphery:

MythBuntu is definitely using 0.21-fixes, so that's not the issue.

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sphery:

Unfortunately, that's all I know about DVD playback in Myth, so I can't be of any help. Sorry.

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atlanta800:

yup 0.21.0+fixes16838ubuntu3.1

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atlanta800:

damn

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atlanta800:

I ran mythfrontend -v all and everything looked perfect and it just seg faults

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sphery:

if this channel is too quiet, you might want to try the #ubuntu-mythtv channel, too

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roothorick:

will a Celeron E1200 (Core 2 arch dual-core 1.6Ghz) cut it for an all-in-one machine?

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roothorick:

I highly doubt it'll have to do anything harder than broadcast 720p

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roothorick:

anything higher I'll transcode to a lower bitrate and/or resolution

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leprechau:

brb...

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clever:

my 1.8ghz c2d can play anything i have with a single thread(only using 1 core)

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clever:

but a celeron is alot slower relatively

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roothorick:

how hard does your stuff get?

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clever:

my 1.6ghz laptop can play stuff the 2.9ghz celeron cant

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clever:

both single core

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roothorick:

err

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roothorick:

1.6Ghz WHAT? Versus 2.9Ghz Celeron WHAT?

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roothorick:

the 2.9Ghz is probably a NetBurst celeron, going against a Core 1 or Core 2 series

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roothorick:

in which case yes, it's going to get its brains blown out all over the pavement

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clever:

1280x720 h264 is one of the harder ones

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roothorick:

no 1080i/p stuff?

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clever:

is so massive my 1.6ghz laptop has to shrink the video to fix onscreen

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clever:

i dont get hd on the air but i could dl a hd sample

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clever:

model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz

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clever:

the 2.9ghz celeron is also running xp

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roothorick:

oh, that's P6M arch

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roothorick:

the Pentium M that is

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roothorick:

that's the predecessor to Core 1, and a very very good arch

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clever:

it can even run well down in 600mhz mode(laptop can underclock itself)

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roothorick:

yeah, I can see how that would lay out a NetBurst Celeron at twice its clock

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clever:

the c2d blows everything out of the water, with only 1 core!

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clever:

http://clever.mine.nu:81/matrix.php

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roothorick:

the proc I'm looking at is basically a 1.6Ghz C2D with a quarter the L2 cache

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clever:

i was compiling a list of resoultion&codec&cpu info

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roothorick:

so roughly twice the power of your PM

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roothorick:

and 64-bit

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roothorick:

I'd say I'm safe

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clever:

and at what freq i needed to set the cpu to get good playback

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clever:

the d600 laptop has the Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz cpu and can run 1280x720 264 at 1.4ghz

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roothorick:

...wow

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roothorick:

I'm sold

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clever:

its not from the air though

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clever:

its a transcode from the web

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roothorick:

ah, hm

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clever:

VIDEO: [avc1] 1280x720 24bpp 23.976 fps 0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s)

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roothorick:

if it's not enough I can transcode

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roothorick:

haha, that tells me about nothing

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clever:

24 bits of data per pixel

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roothorick:

yeah, but what's the codec bitrate?

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clever:

2,764,800 bytes/frame

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clever:

i dont see the compressed bitrate

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roothorick:

yeah... 2MB per frame, at 60fps... that's 120MB per second, and you're not counting audio yet

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roothorick:

I don't know of any hard drive on the market that can do 6GB/minute, leave alone the processor

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clever:

thats after decompressing

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roothorick:

just giving you a hard time ;)

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clever:

thats what the cpu has to output to the vid card

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AlNahar:

anyone use mythweb's flash player?

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clever:

340mb 23mins 49seconds

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roothorick:

clever: with a good videocard the processor doesn't have to do anything to transfer the frame to the videocard

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clever:

[mkv] Track ID 2: audio (A_VORBIS) "2.0 Vorbis", -aid 0, -alang jpn

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clever:

yeah it can share the membery

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clever:

memry

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clever:

memory

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roothorick:

the I/O controller in the north bridge does all the work

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clever:

there:P

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roothorick:

I may be doing my math wrong here but

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clever:

i was surpprised lastwweek when my poor 1ghz laptop didd 264

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clever:

o crap, swap is at 90%

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clever:

Mem: 515572k total, 509708k used, 5864k free, 1932k buffers

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clever:

Swap: 1048568k total, 793008k used, 255560k free, 172344k cached

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roothorick:

340 * 1024 / (23 * 60 + 49) = ~243 kb/s or 1944kbps

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roothorick:

I remember broadcast being a hell of a lot higher than that

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clever:

nowonder X is crawling so much that it messes up key repeat

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clever:

66,288,844 mb/second for the video alone in RAW

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clever:

bytes i mean

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clever:

enless you change a , to a .

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clever:

whoa

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clever:

a single kill-9 to firefox and now im running with 20% ram used

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roothorick:

haha

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roothorick:

oh firefox...

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roothorick:

anyway

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clever:

it was using 500mb

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roothorick:

broadcast 1080i is about 12400 kb/s

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clever:

i'll add my P4 to that matrix listing next

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iamlindoro:

Broadcast 1080i is only 12 Mbit if you have Comcast squishing it for you, real broadcast takes up the full 19 Mbit

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roothorick:

how big a hard drive should I shoot for for a family of 3 using a single Myth box for primarily analog content?

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iamlindoro:

Assuming you delete the content after watching, a few hundred gig should be more than enough

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roothorick:

so what, a 320GB? Sheesh, that's bigger than any hard drive in this house

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clever:

389gig to my main lvm 'partition'

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iamlindoro:

Disk space is super-cheap. You could get away with less, but might as well buy at the sweet spot, a 750 GB is only $100 these days

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clever:

its constantly on 99% full

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roothorick:

500GBs for $60(!)

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roothorick:

oh they're out of stock, phooey

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fryfrog:

Yeah, you should go for the drives with the best price / gig

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fryfrog:

i have a prefrence for the ones with 5 yr warrenty (seagate? someone else too i'm sure)

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waxhead_:

I have two 1 TB drives with the OS sitting on a 320gig..

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waxhead_:

overkill i know.. but it's cheap...

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fryfrog:

bah, wish i had 2 1tb drives :p

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fryfrog:

i have 2x 80G system (raid1) and 8x320G (raid5)

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waxhead_:

the hdd's are samsungs.. quite

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waxhead_:

I'm not raiding the setup... if it's lost it's lost... rips of dvd's and cd's on one disk, recordings on the other...

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clever:

my system is a ~50gig partition

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clever:

the rest of that drive, and 3 whole other drives

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clever:

are lvm'ed together

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fryfrog:

ah, i use mine for more than just myth

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clever:

most of which goes to the 380gig partition

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clever:

the 380gig has the nfsroot of all the netbooting systems, build dir for myth, myth bin&libs, videos(downloaded), and mythtv recordings

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clever:

and 20gig of music

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waxhead_:

it's just a myth box here... in a origen X15 case

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clever:

pretty much every myth system i have is also used for other things

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clever:

the 'media' is a slavebackend and the mysql hub for myth

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waxhead_:

clever: makes sense too I guess

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clever:

'olddell' netboots for a slave backend(transcode&flag) and runs gnome for use from bed(and fe also)

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clever:

the d630 netboots from the same root for the same purpose in other rooms(but the cpu blows everything else out of the water)

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clever:

the d600 can netboot but i normaly run it from the hdd for the wifi

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clever:

'theP4' it the master that holds the netboot roots, mysql for other stuff, website, ircd, tvout(for frontend)

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waxhead_:

cool...

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waxhead_:

with the netbooting, what sort of hardware do you need for hte display?

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clever:

all 3 netbooting laptops are just using the normal lcd panel they came attached to

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clever:

but 2 of them have a tvout port(which is hard to use from linux)

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clever:

they all have internal NIC's and it was trivial to set them to netboot

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clever:

bigest problem was the initrd didnt like the nfs-user-server

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clever:

i had to switch over to the kernel mode nfsd

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waxhead_:

right...

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waxhead_:

hwat's IR blasting mean?

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clever:

i used debootstrap to make a bare rootfs(ubuntu but also debian)

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clever:

sending an ir signal from the pc->tuner

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clever:

i have a serial ir blaster to change the channel on my digital tuner box

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waxhead_:

oh...

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waxhead_:

do I need it?

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waxhead_:

I'm follwing this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote

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waxhead_:

trying to get my remote working...

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clever:

the ir blaster is to SEND signals from the computer

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clever:

the ir receiver is to RECEIVE(duh:P) signals from a remote

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waxhead_:

clever: got it...

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madfactor:

ne1 know why the E image 0.21 available as a torrent will show recording previews, but not play the recording itself?

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madfactor:

btw: for the xbox1

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madfactor:

;)

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madfactor:

I guess I'm the king of missing everyone in the channel today. (hehe)

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StretchX:

madfactor, on my comp (non xbox) it played previews

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StretchX:

madfactor, n/m I miss understood.. not sure..

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StretchX:

madfactor, do you have another box (besides xbox) you can try it from?

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waxhead_:

FSCK!!!

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waxhead_:

this so annoying... can't get this remote working... no /dev/lirc0

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StretchX:

..fun times

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StretchX:

do you know if your reciever is working the way it should, that was my prooblem for a while.

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waxhead_:

StretchX: yep. cat /dev/ttyUSB0 shows me that the remote sends and it recieves

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StretchX:

what driver are you trying to use when starting lircd?

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waxhead_:

hmm.. now it's not...

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waxhead_:

lirc_mceusb

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StretchX:

waxhead_ did you already try making your own lircd.conf file?

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StretchX:

waxhead_ also, I always use ircat and irw when testing anythign to do with IR on linux

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waxhead_:

yeah.... used the mythbuntu control centre to set

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waxhead_:

things

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StretchX:

waxhead_, get console access... in my experience that's the only way I could of gotten it working.

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StretchX:

bbiab

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Strex:

so what's everyone up to tonight?

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waxhead_:

Strex: I reckon I'll still be trying to get my remote working..

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Strex:

waxhead_: did you get any farther with it?

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** Strex wishes someone would re-write mythstream **

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waxhead_:

Strex: not really...

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waxhead_:

although, I did fiddle with /etc/lirc/hardware.conf and now I have a /dev/lirc0

[04:34:39]

waxhead_:

I added lirc_serial to the modules line..

[04:34:54]

waxhead_:

irw starts, but doesn't see anyhting now...

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waxhead_:

what user should I use for irw?

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Strex:

waxhead_: whats the output of: ls -hal /dev/lirc0 ??

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Lud7773:

wondering if anyone has had issues with the tv guide freezing up while watching live tv? If so any suggestions on how to get it to unfreeze?

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clever:

Strex: -h does nothing to device nodes

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clever:

and -a does nothing when providing a path to a file

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Strex:

clever: old habits die hard.

[05:12:05]

clever:

yeah

[05:13:46]

Strex:

clever: like this one: dd if=/dev/random of=/tmp/file bs=1024 count=100000

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waxhead_:

I just don't get it...

[05:14:12]

clever:

that makes more sense:P

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Strex:

LOL.

[05:14:26]

waxhead_:

at least hte other night I could see the remote sending stuff to /dev/ttyUSB0

[05:14:29]

waxhead_:

today i can't...

[05:14:31]

clever:

but you can addjust the bs or count to balance it out more

[05:14:48]

clever:

waxhead_: reconnect the usb plug?

[05:15:07]

Strex:

clever: true, but the bigger the count, the bigger the problem :p

[05:15:24]

clever:

yeah a small bs will harm performance

[05:15:29]

clever:

since it has to make more syscalls

[05:15:37]

Strex:

exactly.

[05:15:38]

clever:

but a giant bs also harms performance

[05:15:42]

clever:

try a bs of 1gig

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Strex:

lmao

[05:15:54]

clever:

it will eat 1gig of ram+swap before making a single write

[05:16:10]

clever:

also

[05:16:17]

Strex:

either way, it's not gonna be a good thing.

[05:16:19]

clever:

the sigusr1 only responds between read/writes

[05:16:27]

waxhead_:

clever: that's just going to suck big time... I'll reboot it and try again with the irtran turned off ( uing the GUI )

[05:16:31]

clever:

so with 20mb blocks it will respond less often

[05:16:41]

clever:

waxhead_: yes it would suck

[05:16:48]

Strex:

clever: try unplugging and replugging the usb IR adapter, while tailing /var/log/messages

[05:16:55]

clever:

its allready a pain with a usb hdd under lvm

[05:17:00]

clever:

lvm fails on boot

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clever:

so the entire array cant work

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clever:

until i manualy reconnect the drive, rescan pvs, enable, mount

[05:17:28]

Strex:

wait, usb hdd on lvm??

[05:17:38]

clever:

usb ide(pata) enclosure

[05:17:42]

clever:

with a normal desktop hdd

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Strex:

with mythtv?

[05:17:51]

clever:

its not for the mythtv recordings

[05:17:59]

clever:

but that lvm array holds the mysql data dir

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Strex:

lol

[05:18:16]

clever:

the actual LV for the data is on an internal drive

[05:18:20]

clever:

i beleive

[05:18:39]

clever:

yep

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hti_pro:

anyone know if there is a way to create a dialog with mythtv from a bash script

[05:18:50]

Strex:

so your mysql data dir is on an external usb drive?

[05:18:50]

clever:

the mysqldata is on the 20gig LV on the internal drive

[05:18:59]

clever:

the 2nd LV is on the 2nd PV

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clever:

Strex: nope

[05:19:20]

Strex:

hti_pro: most likely, you know bash?

[05:19:30]

hti_pro:

yep

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clever:

the 2 'partitions' share a volume group but are on psysicaly seperate drives

[05:19:36]

clever:

with the mysql on the internal

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clever:

but it doesnt make sense why i cant just shove the external drive into the case

[05:20:00]

hti_pro:

I can create a gui dialog box, but i am afraid that the remote won't work to select yes or no

[05:20:02]

clever:

80gig

[05:20:08]

clever:

PII

[05:20:14]

clever:

doesnt work when connected

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hti_pro:

haven't been able to test it yet

[05:20:30]

Strex:

clever: as long as there isn't any kind of critical data access (I/O) going to the usb drive, you 'shout' be ok..?..

[05:20:30]

waxhead_:

nope... nothing out of /dev/ttyUSB0

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clever:

Strex: its just storing 80gig of overflow video files

[05:21:02]

clever:

i needed room on my masters mainlv(for mythtv recordings)

[05:21:15]

Strex:

hti_pro: you probably need to write a bash script that outputs xml in the format mythtv needs, what is the end goal here?

[05:21:24]

clever:

ive had a usb 1.0 enclosure as part of the 300gig ext3 volume before

[05:21:30]

clever:

it horidly messes up performance

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Strex:

I can see that..

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dustybin:

clever: in your room, have you got computer boxes all over the place?

[05:21:48]

clever:

writes to that chunk delay the entire blockdev

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hti_pro:

I wanna call a script with irexec ask the user if they really want to continue and then continue executing the script. I am using it to switch between xorg.conf files

[05:22:28]

Strex:

clever: it's like adding a 12" tire to a truck with 3x 15" ers.. it's gonna mess up performance no matter what.

[05:22:29]

clever:

dustybin: http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/pc' . . . 2406_005.jpg

[05:22:38]

clever:

dustybin: in that pic you can see 2 desktops stacked

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Strex:

dustybin: lol

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clever:

dustybin: then my laptops http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/pc' . . . 0206_001.jpg

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Strex:

hti_pro: might have better luck using tk or another 'quick' gui toolkit..

[05:24:23]

dustybin:

bloody 'eck

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clever:

notice that the 2nd laptop is grey scale?!

[05:24:49]

dustybin:

yes

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hti_pro:

Strex: can i get them to respond to the remote

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clever:

and the first 3 are all running memtest

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clever:

dustybin: http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/pc' . . . 2906_008.jpg

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dustybin:

LOL you live in a computer junk yard LOL

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clever:

see the monitor and the keyboard infront of it?

[05:26:03]

clever:

the upright keyboard, not the upsidedown one

[05:26:06]

Strex:

hti_pro: I believe so, but it sounds like a google search is in order..

[05:26:12]

clever:

thats a vt100 compatible terminal!

[05:26:16]

clever:

green&black screen!

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dustybin:

v.nice

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clever:

a 25pin->9pin serial addapter and it works just fine on linux

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clever:

with the right setup in inittab

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dustybin:

ace

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clever:

ive used it on atleast 3 of my systems

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Strex:

hti_pro: but looking back on it, you would just need to write a bash script to output xml, the way mythtv wants it, might even use perl if it's easier. But you still have to reload the mythfrountend to see the newly created menu.

[05:27:41]

clever:

dustybin: http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/pc' . . . 2806_001.jpg

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clever:

theres the pic i was looking for!

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dustybin:

LOL

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hti_pro:

I'm not sure were really on the same page, I wan't to pop up a dialog box like when the backend isn't running

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clever:

i collected every single pc i had

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clever:

raped every thing one for ram, http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/pc' . . . 2806_00b.jpg

[05:28:47]

clever:

then ramed every single one for drives, http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/pc' . . . 2506_005.jpg http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/pc' . . . 2806_010.jpg

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clever:

raped*

[05:29:11]

clever:

then looked over the mobo's to pick the best one and packed it with parts to make my router system

[05:29:27]

dustybin:

what os are you running on your router?

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clever:

LFS

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clever:

(linux from scratch)

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dustybin:

aye nice

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clever:

early this month

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clever:

the hdd finaly craped out

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clever:

bad sector in just the wrong place

[05:30:07]

dustybin:

clever: how long did it take you to install LFS

[05:30:09]

Strex:

hti_pro: I see, sorry man, ya got me..

[05:30:10]

clever:

i managed to copy it to a new drive and get it all running

[05:30:19]

clever:

dustybin: 2–3 days i think, for that damn slow cpu

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dustybin:

ok

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clever:

the kernel compile alone was hours

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dustybin:

yep

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clever:

but i have a core2duo now

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clever:

i made another lfs for a damn old laptop(no pci bus!)

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clever:

and i stuck the hdd in the c2d just for the fun of it

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dustybin:

what CPU did it have before

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hti_pro:

maybe this would be a nice, and useful contribution to mythtv, now if only I knew C++

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clever:

1 tweak to the xorg.conf and it was fully working

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clever:

including smp!

[05:31:20]

clever:

i went from an isa only system to a core2duo

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clever:

with only 1 config change to fix it

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clever:

then a kernel recompile took minutes!!!

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clever:

vendor_id : GenuineIntel

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clever:

model name : Pentium MMX

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clever:

cpu MHz : 199.767

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clever:

(the current router/desktop)

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dustybin:

pfsense would of run on that

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clever:

im using a somewhat custom script with iptables

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dustybin:

<3 old hardware

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clever:

it runs pppoe and pppd

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clever:

and is capable of running the pppd over plain dialup(with the entire NAT and forward setup unchanged!)

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dustybin:

are you running that gallery from your own server?

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clever:

yep

[05:33:25]

** dustybin hacks **

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dustybin:

*onlyjoking*

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clever:

the gallery apache2 is on the master backend

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clever:

the router portforwards it over

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clever:

i planned to also run the cidbcast that comes with myth on the router

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clever:

but the internal modem lacks cid i beleive

[05:34:05]

Strex:

clever: it's pass protected right?

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hti_pro:

anyone familiar with mythtv source that could maybe point me in the direction of the code that creates a dialog box

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dustybin:

ssh root@clever.mine.nu

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clever:

Strex: what part?

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dustybin:

shit wrong window

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clever:

dustybin: port 22 is locked

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Strex:

dustybin: lol

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clever:

you need to access a special url on a certain site(password protected too) before it forwards it

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Strex:

clever: do you have any externally facing ports that don't need a pass?

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clever:

and even then, root is locked(ubuntu!)

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Strex:

clever: if so, lock em down.

[05:34:52]

dustybin:

nmap clever.mine.nu

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Strex:

lol

[05:34:58]

clever:

Strex: lots, but they dont actualy give you any real access

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dustybin:

shit wrong windows again

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Strex:

clever: don't be so sure.

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clever:

80 81 and 82 are all apache's

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Strex:

dustybin: don't you mean wrong 'xterm'

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HaraDragon:

hey peeps

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HaraDragon:

anyone around?

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clever:

which doesnt directly give you any access

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Strex:

HaraDragon: yo

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dustybin:

./DrDoS.pl clever.mine.nu

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clever:

dustybin: i dont see you bouncing off my firewall:P

[05:35:55]

HaraDragon:

I got my mythbuntu box up and running

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clever:

dustybin: still nothing...

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HaraDragon:

setting up my home theater now... it's a pita

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clever:

and arent most of those dns servers used in drdos fixed by now?

[05:36:15]

Nostahl:

heyey all

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clever:

dustybin: and i dont think your isp even allows the ip spoofing needed for drdos

[05:36:47]

dustybin:

i was only joking :P

[05:36:49]

clever:

just blocking spoofs at the isp will solve the whole problem

[05:36:51]

Strex:

HaraDragon: it's never easy.

[05:37:02]

clever:

dustybin: just showing off that i know what your talking about:P

[05:37:05]

HaraDragon:

Strex: do you know anything about setting'em up?

[05:37:06]

clever:

whoa port scan ahoy!

[05:37:14]

clever:

Jun 27 02:37:12 localhost kernel: FW:ppp0 idrop IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=98.212.218.157 DST=156.34.211.244 LEN=44 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=26 ID=61248 PROTO=TCP SPT=54315 DPT=425 WINDOW=3072 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0

[05:37:21]

HaraDragon:

I'm having issues figuring something out... as far as speaker placement, since I have limited space

[05:37:22]

Strex:

HaraDragon: what part?

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clever:

1000's of them

[05:37:37]

clever:

all over the place on ports

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HaraDragon:

I was wondering if I could put the two rear and front speakers in the upper corners of my room (it's about 14x16')

[05:37:55]

Nostahl:

think i got all of my music ripped

[05:38:10]

HaraDragon:

or, at least the rear speakers

[05:38:18]

HaraDragon:

I'm in an apt, so there's not a lot of space-a

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clever:

hti_pro: nice portscan:P

[05:38:54]

waxhead_:

Strex: just swaped the usb header for the remote...

[05:38:54]

Strex:

HaraDragon: ideally I wold put your lft and rt speakers about equal distances from your tv and about head level.

[05:39:16]

Nostahl:

is it possible to setup my rear speakers on the same channel as my front speakers

[05:39:22]

Nostahl:

so mute controls both of them etc

[05:39:33]

clever:

dustybin: or are you using a stealth port scan off hti's ip?:P

[05:39:40]

Strex:

Nostahl: probably but why would you want to?

[05:39:50]

Nostahl:

cause i can only mute the front speakers

[05:39:59]

Nostahl:

and still hear sound out of rear speakers defeating the purpose heh

[05:40:01]

HaraDragon:

Strex: front left and right speakers? Are the rear speakers ok to be above the couch, equa-distant from the couch?

[05:41:33]

Strex:

HaraDragon: front.. yes. also you want you rear speakers basically behind you, but still facing you, if you sitting in the middle of the room. So you could ideally see the 'front' of all 4 speakers (turning your head obviously).

[05:42:42]

waxhead_:

sigh...

[05:42:45]

waxhead_:

nothing..

[05:42:51]

Strex:

HaraDragon: with your rear speakers it's better if their facing inwards then forwards, if their forwards you probably won't hear them when there's sound coming out of them..

[05:42:52]

HaraDragon:

I'm in an apt, so I can't really move the couch. It's against the back wall

[05:43:09]

clever:

my stereo can calibrate the speakers so they dont have to be equa-distant

[05:43:14]

waxhead_:

the remote is transmitting though.. note being seen now at the myth bo...

[05:43:20]

clever:

i just drop the mic wherever i sit and hit the cal button

[05:43:20]

HaraDragon:

right now, I have them in the corners, near the ceiling (low ceilings0

[05:43:20]

Strex:

HaraDragon: same here.. but I get great sound out of mine.

[05:43:30]

HaraDragon:

clever: mine will do that too

[05:43:32]

waxhead_:

clever: I have a mic and a button to push on my amp...

[05:43:45]

clever:

sony amp

[05:43:46]

waxhead_:

works well...

[05:43:50]

clever:

and dvd player

[05:44:01]

clever:

5 dvd/cd player and 6 speaker amp in 1 box

[05:44:30]

clever:

4 corners, center, bass

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waxhead_:

well, I'm at a total loss... not sure where to go from here...

[05:44:48]

clever:

and the bass has knocked stacks of cd's over before

[05:44:51]

HaraDragon:

clever: I bought the Sony Bravia HD-X275

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clever:

this one is a DAV-HDX466

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HaraDragon:

nice

[05:45:57]

clever:

got it practicaly free

[05:46:04]

clever:

all the zellers points we had

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Strex:

HaraDragon: basically if your sitting on the middle of your couch you should be able to see the front 2 speakers on either side, and turn your head and see the (front) of the 2 rear speakers on either side. Head level is best, but if you can't do that than you may need to increase the volume of your rears.. make sanse?

[05:46:39]

HaraDragon:

yep

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clever:

i have the 2 back speakers right on either side of me

[05:46:51]

clever:

i can touch both at once if i just reach out my arms

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HaraDragon:

supposedly my system will auto adjust speaker levels

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waxhead_:

bah!!! irtrans!

[05:47:05]

clever:

and when its properly calibrated for my spot

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Strex:

HaraDragon: Lol, yea right..

[05:47:13]

clever:

it sounds like the audio is in my head

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Nostahl:

lol

[05:47:31]

Nostahl:

psycho speakers

[05:47:35]

Nostahl:

heh

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clever:

i cant tell what direction its from

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Strex:

HaraDragon: unless it thinks it can detect where your sitting, and I don't know of any system that can do that.

[05:47:37]

HaraDragon:

Strex: I said "supposedly"

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clever:

because its so perfectly balanced

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HaraDragon:

there is a mic w /a long cable that I'm supposed to set in my listening position

[05:48:17]

clever:

same

[05:48:23]

clever:

HaraDragon: yours looks nearly identical to mine

[05:48:30]

clever:

except the speaker stands(front only)

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Strex:

HaraDragon: where did you get this system the CIA?

[05:48:41]

HaraDragon:

yeah... I don't have them. :-(

[05:48:55]

HaraDragon:

Circuit City. :-)

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HaraDragon:

lol

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Nostahl:

bah dont bother buying stuff there

[05:49:13]

clever:

though mine is 200$ more expensive

[05:49:13]

Nostahl:

your warrenty's no good lol

[05:49:19]

clever:

acording to the sonystyle.ca site

[05:49:33]

clever:

299 and 499

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clever:

HaraDragon: ahh yours has an ipod dock

[05:50:22]

clever:

mine doesnt, and i dont own one anyway

[05:50:27]

Strex:

I've never really had any problem with sony 'amps' they've always just worked, dolby and all, now their dvd players are another story.

[05:50:41]

Strex:

ibod ++

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Strex:

s/ibod/ipod

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clever:

the remove for the amp can also be programed for a sony tv

[05:51:09]

clever:

so i can control the tv&amp from 1 remote

[05:51:27]

clever:

but my tv is jvc

[05:51:31]

Strex:

I can control them all from one remote too, via mythtv.. lol

[05:51:46]

clever:

i wanted to do that

[05:51:54]

clever:

remote->lirc->irblaster->tv

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clever:

thru irexec and irsend

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Strex:

clever: irblaster..

[05:52:12]

clever:

but i couldnt get the 2nd blaster working

[05:52:25]

clever:

the 1st blaster is serial

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HaraDragon:

clever: I have a sharp aquos tv

[05:52:32]

clever:

the 2nd one is receive&blast on the pvr-150

[05:52:40]

clever:

the blast didnt work on ubuntu 6.06

[05:52:55]

clever:

i upgraded to 7.10

[05:53:00]

clever:

now receive doesnt even work:P

[05:53:33]

clever:

lirc_i2c simply causes a kernel oops(and modprobe segfaults)

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clever:

and then i cant rmmod lirc_i2c so im forced to reboot if i want to try again

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Strex:

clever: any 'IR' goes through lirc so the distro shouldn't matter.

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clever:

the lirc module i was compiling couldnt blast on the pvr150

[05:55:00]

clever:

and the newer 'patched' lirc source couldnt build the serial blaster

[05:55:13]

clever:

now the lirc i build(against the new kernel) simply has an ooops

[05:55:16]

Nostahl:

i wonder ... can i setup hotkeys like kind of like hold shift and then a key for a dual function?

[05:55:21]

clever:

the kernel upgrade is because of the distro upgrade

[05:55:50]

clever:

Strex: ive rebuilt lirc 3 times and it allways does an oops

[05:56:15]

Strex:

clever: I'm kind of biased I don't trust usb to handle IR, I use serial all the way..

[05:56:35]

clever:

i dont have any usb ir things

[05:56:36]

Strex:

clever: an oops on what?

[05:56:43]

clever:

kernel level OOPS

[05:56:49]

clever:

which is basicaly a segfault in kernel space

[05:56:55]

Strex:

clever: what's the error?

[05:56:56]

clever:

which has write access to the ram for everything

[05:57:22]

clever:

i dont remember the exact error

[05:57:25]

clever:

id have to find the log

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newguy234122:

anyone awake in here

[05:58:03]

Strex:

nope..

[05:58:38]

Strex:

shoot..

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clever:

Strex: dont see it in my logs...

[05:59:10]

clever:

and i dont see a copy i saved on the linux

[05:59:13]

Strex:

clever: if you see me on here again, (likely) I would like to see the error.

[05:59:14]

clever:

i'll check the xp box

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newguy234122:

oh i was just wondering if there was anyone here

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clever:

Strex: i have serial console enabled so the oops went rigth to the xp bo

[06:00:07]

clever:

x

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clever:

now to spend an hour on basicaly a 'find c:\' call

[06:00:42]

Strex:

clever: what do you mean, serial console enabled?

[06:00:51]

clever:

printk goes out the serial port

[06:01:37]

clever:

so any kernel debug(or panic) is visible even if X is up

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Strex:

clever: good call, can you have it log somewhere?

[06:03:45]

clever:

dont think putty is set to log it

[06:03:56]

clever:

but i think i saved it manualy

[06:09:27]

clever:

windows still isnt done searching c:\

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Strex:

yay for citron :X

[06:10:03]

clever:

heck i'll just kill it again!

[06:11:08]

clever:

root@theP4:/home/clever/otherbuilds/lirc# insmod /root/lirc_i2c.ko

[06:11:08]

clever:

Segmentation fault

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clever:

Strex: http://pastebin.com/m1abfbf9f

[06:16:37]

Strex:

clever: I would submit that as a bug for lirc to workout..

[06:16:58]

clever:

i havent gotten arround to doing so

[06:20:37]

Strex:

anyone else here on a mac?

[06:20:58]

clever:

last time i used a mac, it took me 30mins and a manual to find the damn terminal

[06:21:09]

Strex:

lol

[06:21:09]

clever:

once i got there it was just as easy as linux

[06:22:42]

Puh_:

how can i force the non-mobile-mythweb version?

[06:23:05]

Puh_:

adding RESET_TMPL=yes resets something, but can i say USE_TMPL=nonmobile or something?

[06:24:28]

Puh_:

point being that on Nokia E90 i don't actually need the mobile layout as E90 can render the normal layout as such

[06:26:37]

Nostahl:

hey all

[06:26:43]

Nostahl:

for setting up movie postors and such

[06:26:51]

Nostahl:

do i just name it whatever the movie title is named

[06:27:02]

Nostahl:

and it auto pulls it from the dir that is specifyed?

[06:29:43]

Strex:

Nostahl: yes

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clever:

Strex: weird, it made a call to a function in the nvidia module when oops'ing

[06:30:07]

clever:

why would an lirc module ever touch nvidia?

[06:30:45]

clever:

the path went roughtly lirc_i2c->i2c_core->nvidia->lirc_i2c->i2c_core

[06:31:59]

Dibblah:

Because the NV card presents an I2C interface.

[06:32:05]

Dibblah:

For temperature monitoring.

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Nostahl:

ah woot just setup movie poster for iron man!

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clever:

Dibblah: so its scaning every i2c device to find the blaster?

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Nostahl:

going to start lookin nice with all these posters finnaly heh

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Dibblah:

clever: I have no idea :)

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Dibblah:

Use the source, Luke...

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clever:

lol

[06:33:13]

clever:

which source!

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clever:

i have 5 diff lirc sources!

[06:39:00]

Nostahl:

whats a good movie site db for posters

[06:39:18]

Nostahl:

google cant find a poster for allan quarterman and the temple of skulls heh

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clever:

972c17fc255ade574eb3be5de4c01bb8 /root/lirc_i2c.ko

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HaraDragon:

feel asleep

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clever:

972c17fc255ade574eb3be5de4c01bb8 /home/clever/otherbuilds/lirc/lirc-0.8.1/drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.ko

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HaraDragon:

goodnight all

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clever:

Dibblah: found it

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clever:

Dibblah: 404 not found

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clever:

i2c_add_driver(&driver);

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clever:

that isnt declared anywhere

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Dibblah:

In which case, it'd give you a link / insmod time error.

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clever:

Dibblah: which it doesnt, the stacktrace continues past that function

[07:05:08]

clever:

Dibblah: the stack trace shows init_module(in lirc_i2c) calling i2c_register_driver

[07:05:19]

clever:

but the source only shows i2c_add_driver

[07:05:51]

clever:

and 4 calls to request_module(which explains why bttv loaded without warning)

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clever:

Dibblah: ive checked the md5sum(as you can see above) and its the same source

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Nostahl:

hey guys

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Nostahl:

im using internal player

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Nostahl:

and it seems like all aspects are weird

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Nostahl:

ie it is small width wize

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Nostahl:

but tall

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Nostahl:

stretched

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Nostahl:

why?

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Dibblah:

Nostahl: Because the aspect ratio of your monitor might not match the aspect ratio specified in DisplaySize?

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coolerguy:

is there a simple way of getting mythtv to recognize media stored on external harddrives connected via USB?

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clever:

Dibblah: ooooo, that i2c_add_driver isnt lirc

[07:59:27]

clever:

its part of the kernel!

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Dibblah:

Ummm...

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Dibblah:

You loaded a module.

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clever:

yeah

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Dibblah:

When you load a module, the code involved magically becomes....?

[08:00:03]

clever:

but the reason i couldnt find i2c_add_driver in the lirc source

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clever:

that symbol is declared over in the i2c module which is in the kernel source

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clever:

outside of the lirc source i was searching

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clever:

which now makes perfect sense if you look at the name

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Ace2016_:

Is there a solution to the nvidia 7series + dual core bug?

[08:25:43]

directhex:

which nvidia 7series dual core bug?

[08:26:12]

Ace2016_:

this one, well described here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lin . . . 7/comments/9

[08:34:21]

Dagmar:

I know of one.

[08:34:26]

Dagmar:

Don't have that guy's hardware.

[08:34:42]

Dagmar:

My new frontend has a 7050 and an X2 4800+.

[08:34:44]

Dagmar:

No problems.

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Ace2016_:

i have an X2 4600+ and 7300LE

[08:35:18]

Dagmar:

Oh how about "Don't use gutsy"

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directhex:

my BE/FE has been running a 7300 and a pentium-d 830 for years, and has never frozen

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directhex:

kernel oopses from sky2, that's a different matter

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Ace2016_:

the 8500GT that should be in there has a fan fault

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Ace2016_:

Dagmar: i'm using mythbuntu hardy

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Ace2016_:

But! it only happens when recording

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Ace2016_:

only ever when recording

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directhex:

what is nvidia doing when recording?

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Ace2016_:

i watched TV for 5 hours, on different channels, i constantly changed channels and it was fien

[08:37:02]

Ace2016_:

fine*

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Ace2016_:

the second the program i really like and wanted to record came about, 5 mins into the recording it crashed

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Ace2016_:

restarted and 45 mins later it crashed again

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Dagmar:

So basically, that bug report you're asking about has nothing to do with your problem

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Ace2016_:

but its the same as the bug report

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Dagmar:

How so

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Ace2016_:

they are all in X when it crashes

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Dagmar:

1. You're not running Gutsy

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Ace2016_:

oh

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directhex:

it's the same as the bug report other than the symptoms and the causes

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Dagmar:

2. GPU/chipset problems are not MythTV

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Ace2016_:

maybe its the turbo cache graphics?

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Dagmar:

Maybe you should update your video driver and make the machine _stable_ before you worry about MythTV

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Dagmar:

...or maybe you should report the problem to the MythDora people. It's their binary.

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Ace2016_:

i'm using mythbuntu now

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Dagmar:

So report it to them

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Ace2016_:

i don't want to report some bug, i want to fix it

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justinh:

got that Friday feeling :D

[10:15:09]

jblack:

I thought you moved off to some other pvr?

[10:15:27]

justinh:

I tried to. it was unbelievably shite

[10:15:42]

jblack:

I told you you'd be back. :)

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justinh:

even neglecting mythtv's non-tv functions the standalone couldn't compete

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justinh:

I don't think the standalone even lasted 3 days

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justinh:

and that was the alleged 'best on the market' :P

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justinh:

amazing the shite people put up with

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jblack:

yeah.

[10:17:14]

justinh:

soon became obvious that PVRs have a long, long LONG way to go before they're as mature or featureful as mythtv

[10:17:18]

jblack:

If it weren't for all that encryption going on, Myth would pwn the owrld.

[10:17:46]

jblack:

Oh, they never will be. Many of the features myth have, they intionally leave out. And if they have them, they remove them.

[10:17:49]

justinh:

if it wasn't for the fact myth relies on PC hardware, I think it would

[10:17:53]

jblack:

See: Tivo removing 30 second skip.

[10:18:00]

justinh:

they removed that?

[10:18:06]

jblack:

ayup

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justinh:

oops

[10:18:12]

justinh:

BAD tivo

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jblack:

I hacked mine so that it still does it, and also so it wouldn't need a phone line.

[10:20:09]

jblack:

I'd get rid of the tivo and directv, if I knew the local cable company didn't encrypt things such as comedy central and msnbc.

[10:20:24]

jblack:

as then I could use myth for that.

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justinh:

one of my favourite 'if only' scenarios... why the hell don't they just open everything up & come down on pirates like a proper ton of shit?

[10:21:43]

coolerguy:

shhh

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coolerguy:

dont say that too loudly

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coolerguy:

they're gonna get ideas

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coolerguy:

they can make money off hte lawsuits :P

[10:22:37]

justinh:

well why don't they?

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Ace2016__:

Is v4l in the card menu only for analogue cards?

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Ace2016__:

my card shows up under v4l but not under DVBT

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justinh:

give me everything uncrippled. everything. then if they find I've been naughty & shared something, pwn my ass

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justinh:

Ace2016__: it's only for v4l

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justinh:

er.. analogue

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Ace2016__:

v4l is only analogue?

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justinh:

yes

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justinh:

dvb comes in under the /dev/dvb nodes

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justinh:

and if you don't have them it's prolly cos you've a) not loaded the right module(s) and/or b) you haven't got the device's firmware. dmesg is your friend

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directhex:

or c) you're telling myth that your card type is v4l, instead of dvb, or d) haven't compile dvb support into myth

[10:25:18]

Ace2016__:

:O

[10:25:21]

Ace2016__:

:'(

[10:25:34]

Ace2016__:

i installed mythbuntu

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directhex:

c, then

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Ace2016__:

it doesn't show up under dvb

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directhex:

you have no devices in /dev/dvb ?

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Ace2016__:

hang on let me remove the dvbs card

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madfactor:

ne1 around still using xboxes as frontends, or are they dying out?

[10:30:52]

Ace2016__:

why would you do that???

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directhex:

not enough RAM for linux. xbmc is crashy.

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Ace2016__:

its just ram, you can always upgrade right?

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madfactor:

I was using xbox frontends up to 0.20.2 very stable.

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directhex:

Ace2016__, in a games console? how about no

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madfactor:

On three of my tvs for SD content.

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Ace2016__:

doesn't the xbox just use normal ram sticks? its the first gen xbox isn't it?

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justinh:

no xbox uses regular ram

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directhex:

Ace2016__, no, it's not THAT much like a PC

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madfactor:

Naw, ram in the xbox is soldered.

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justinh:

unless you live on planet Zogg

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madfactor:

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justinh:

32MB ram makes for a very icky mythfrontend. VERY icky

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madfactor:

xbox has 64MB of ram.

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justinh:

better than nothing, but that isn't saying all that much

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justinh:

32MB is stolen by the nvidia graphics

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Ace2016__:

no ps2 linux?

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directhex:

madfactor, unified for GPU and CPU.

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directhex:

Ace2016__, worthless

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Ace2016__:

ps3 linux should be better

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directhex:

Ace2016__, should be. enjoy fbdev.

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madfactor:

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directhex:

define "flawlessly"

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directhex:

define things such as, say, boot time, or feature set

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madfactor:

obviously, HD isn't going to work on the xboxes... and boot time was a little slow, about 30 secs. But all SD recordings played at full frame rate with no jilter or timing issues.

[10:37:25]

madfactor:

The family should watch all SD recordings and all xvid content on the xboxes with no issues.

[10:38:58]

madfactor:

Guess this conversation does partially answer my question tho, it appears that people aren't using xboxes as much on the later myth platforms.

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madfactor:

Which I assumed, considering the over lack of information on 0.21 on xbox.

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justinh:

booting into linux on an xbox takes WAY more than 30 secs

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justinh:

I've tried xebian & gentoox – both would take a good 2 minutes or more to come up to the desktop

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justinh:

the 'best' (which still ain't saying much) solution for xbox is XBMC

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madfactor:

There is no way my frontends take that long to boot... been using them for years on my implementation.

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madfactor:

maybe closer to 60 sec, but no two minutes.

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directhex:

it's still a shit solution.

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directhex:

MOAR RAM.

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directhex:

myth likes gobs o' ram

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directhex:

you shouldn't start your day in your swapfile

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justinh:

I just got shot of two ideal little frontend boxes for not much money

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justinh:

t-online s100 .. little integrated motherboards in a set top box form factor case with IR receiver built in.. SCART TV out too

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justinh:

integrated intel graphics though – it's a PITA to get tv out working with the IEGD

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justinh:

at least on those boxes

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madfactor:

My myth setup is very distributed, I have five frontends setup... two of them HD supporting 1080i and 1080p x264 playback, and three SD heads. Xboxes where the most economical solution for the SD heads.

[10:45:17]

justinh:

s/economical/ugly+noisy

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madfactor:

100% wifey approved tho. ;)

[10:46:25]

madfactor:

Heck if my server didn't run myth, I'd prolly have to part out my server. ;)

[10:46:33]

madfactor:

laugh

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madfactor:

Well... I guess I'll have to break down and get PCs for all the SD heads... which sucks a little.

[10:47:56]

madfactor:

It was bound to happen as some point.

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madfactor:

as=at

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directhex:

nobody runs mythfrontend on xboxes by choice

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directhex:

if you REALLY care, then xbmc has native myth support in recent SVN

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madfactor:

I run stable on my platform.

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madfactor:

Ohhh... you mean XBMC stable.

[10:49:28]

madfactor:

Sorry.

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madfactor:

Ohhh... you mean XBMC SVN I mean.

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madfactor:

Well... you guys have been helpful.

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Ace2016_:

My card isn't supported in linux :(

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Ace2016_:

i thought it was but only analogue

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Ace2016_:

and i got 2 of them

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Agrajag-:

can anyone recommend any small(ish) fanless, low power boxes that would be good for a frontend (only)? needs to be able to play HD content, dvd drive would be nice too

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directhex:

mac mini

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Agrajag-:

oh yeah, hadn't thought of that.. sounds good

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cskowronnek:

low power but HD?

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Agrajag-:

well as low as possible ;)

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cskowronnek:

maybe, when the day would come on which nvidia or ati make their drivers opensource

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Agrajag-:

oh, i also wouldn't be using the hdd in it, since all my frontends are diskless

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cskowronnek:

or when they enable the mpeg4 acceleration like ATI Radeon on windows

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directhex:

until then, you need MOAR MHZ

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directhex:

which means core2duo

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directhex:

if only there were small, low-power, fanless core2 machines with dvd drives

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Agrajag-:

mac mini core 2 duo 1.83ghz might be ok?

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directhex:

i'd recommend MOAR, that's at the real low end of what's needed

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directhex:

as in "enough, but cutting it close"

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Agrajag-:

hmm ok. thanks.. i'll look around

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directhex:

there's always the loopfilter, i suppose

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EvilGuru:

Do the requirements drop much if one uses CoreAVC?

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directhex:

not as much as people think

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directhex:

and the making-it-work nightmare gets rather bigger

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justinh:

my frontend can play bbchd & deinterlace with some loopfilter stuff turned off, but to drop a faster cpu in will be a snip :)

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dustybin:

its still too early days for HD in UK, 1.. There isnt that much on. 2.. The next version of MythTV will be more supported, ie. loop filter option will be standard (hopefully) and ITV HD might work by then. 3.. GFX hardware h.264 acceleration might be aroud by then too

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directhex:

that last one is wishful

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EvilGuru:

Beat me to it

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BULLE:

dustybin: loop filter option ?

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justinh:

and the temperature in that place we call hell might be 32 degrees Fahrenheit

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BULLE:

dustybin: well, dont count on h.264 acceleration i would say, seems both nvidia and ati are very pesimistic about such support

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BULLE:

justinh: indeed!

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EvilGuru:

justinh: Place I call hell is where they use Fahrenheit

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dustybin:

what about intel?

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justinh:

what about intel?

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dustybin:

they might be the first ones what support it in linux

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justinh:

until I see hardware video acceleration in linux, working in front of my own eyes, it's all vaporware

[12:41:31]

directhex:

like good ATI drivers?

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justinh:

yup

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directhex:

and invisible pink unicorns?

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justinh:

I can see me caring less & less about linux & freedom by that point

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EvilGuru:

Well ATI are not allowed to open up the specs for the UVD on newer ATI cards

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directhex:

justinh, you're the one who's against the win32 port!

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dustybin:

so that means reverse engineering poorly designed chips

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justinh:

who said anything about mythtv?

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justinh:

the win32 port of mythtv will be next to useless anyway

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directhex:

you think anything else will be better by then?

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justinh:

no, but I'll likely be a lot older & less interested in watching telly

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dustybin:

i rekon Intel will be the 1st ones, there is nothing holding intel back

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EvilGuru:

dustybin: The fact their current GPU offering are shite is a good enough reason

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dustybin:

:(

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justinh:

all that holds back ATI & nvidia are the propriatary stuff they use under license

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dustybin:

justinh: so how comes windows is allowed but linux isnt?

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dustybin:

couldnt they at least release closed source linux drivers?

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justinh:

hardware decoding is always a possibility (a la reelmagic etc) but that'll impose really stupid limitations on playback (shit looking OSD, no trick playback etc)

[12:44:50]

justinh:

they could, but they won't

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BULLE:

dustybin: most likely licensing agreements they signed for the software patents covering the needed algorithms

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dustybin:

hmm

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dustybin:

something will happen at some point

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BULLE:

dustybin: and they not owning all the code and designs that are in the chips

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justinh:

in the REAL world, using PCs for media playback.. that has its days numbered now. all we can do is wait

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justinh:

and enjoy it while it lasts :)

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BULLE:

i dont see the real need for hardware acceleration now when cheap fast cpus that can handle it are available

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justinh:

to keep CPU usage down (and therefore heat & noise)

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dustybin:

BULLE: aye true, the required GFX card for hardware acceleration would probably be top of the range ones anyway

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justinh:

so you don't need a box the size of a wardrobe just to have a silent PC

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BULLE:

justinh: my mythbox, can do h264 playback, and is completely fanless

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dustybin:

by then the apple mac mini might be upgraded to a C2D 2.5 ghz, moar HZ

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EvilGuru:

dustybin: On Windows even the cheap cards can offload some of the work

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justinh:

BULLE: that's like saying "my mythbox can play videos"

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BULLE:

justinh: well, it does 1920x1080p playback, with high bitrate streams, like the ones you find on hd-dvd or bluray discs

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sid3windr:

actually, my mythbox can't play videos ;/

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justinh:

like.. like... like er... x264 mkv files

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dustybin:

BULLE: what CPU

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BULLE:

dustybin: 3.2ghz core2duo thingy

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justinh:

which don't represent anything

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dustybin:

BULLE: well what do you expect, thats a fast bugger of a chip

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BULLE:

dustybin: indeed, thats what i said

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justinh:

and it was only $$$$$

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dustybin:

i think a minimum of 2.5 C2D puts you in safe ground

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justinh:

;)

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BULLE:

justinh: dunno what i paid for the cpu, its pretty darn cheap here

[12:50:23]

justinh:

my frontend board will take up to 3Ghz AFAIK

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justinh:

anyway, there'a FA worth watching in HD yet over here :)

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dustybin:

justinh: by then, would the software catch up and make use of quadcore?

[12:51:01]

dustybin:

multi threading

[12:51:05]

justinh:

it can make use of quadcore now

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dustybin:

aye nice!

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dustybin:

i remember seeing a option in mythtv what says how many CPUS?

[12:51:31]

dustybin:

if i had a quadcore and put in 4, would mythtv use 4 cores?

[12:51:41]

BULLE:

1550:- sek, thats like, uhm, 150 euro, for the cpu

[12:51:42]

justinh:

yes there's an option which specifies how many CPUs to use

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GreyFoxx:

yes for h264 content

[12:51:55]

dustybin:

now that is powerful stuff

[12:52:07]

BULLE:

dustybin: dunno how many cpus and how well it scales, but in newest myth you can atleast se the number of cpu cores to use for playback, via the playback rules

[12:52:09]

dustybin:

a quadcore would give you a shit load of room to breath

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justinh:

everything crossed for ffmpeg's multithreading of everything :)

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GreyFoxx:

There is work in ffmpeg going on now to make it framelevel so multithreading in some fasion can apply to all codecs

[12:52:35]

BULLE:

dustybin: ye, the TDP of the quadcores was a bit to high for me though, i think i would have to use a fan then

[12:52:41]

justinh:

and I mean *everything* crossed!

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BULLE:

GreyFoxx: lovely

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** BULLE crosses all his hairs **

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justinh:

send the kid some money. nay, a LOT of money

[12:53:17]

justinh:

keep the guy happy

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BULLE:

what guy ?

[12:53:39]

justinh:

the guy doing it as his SoC project

[12:53:41]

dustybin:

ayway, before HD, my home setup needs a BIG change

[12:54:00]

justinh:

and put a contract out on him if he quits ;)

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dustybin:

justinh: i might be going here next week

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dustybin:

http://www.ukuug.org/events/opentech2008/

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justinh:

I might give a shit about 'open sores' events in the UK one day

[12:55:45]

justinh:

I'm on holiday then anyway, prolly dodging rain in Cornwall :)

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dustybin:

im only going for women like this

[12:56:02]

dustybin:

http://photos.jibble.org/OpenTech2005/Open_Tech_2005_IMG_3607

[12:56:41]

justinh:

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighto

[12:57:07]

justinh:

oh bugger. LRL this year is when I'm washing my hair

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EvilGuru:

dustybin: If you want women then why not go to Soho?

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dustybin:

lol

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justinh:

EvilGuru: you never have to go that far

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justinh:

I heard a rumour that Manchester is the sex tourism capital of the UK

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directhex:

justinh, you're THAT good?

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justinh:

nothing to do with me (I hope)

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** justinh will never refer to himself as a Manc **

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Nostahl:

heyey all anyone use mythstream plugin

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BULLE:

happens

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BULLE:

from tiem to tiem

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sid3windr:

yeah someone probably uses it

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Nostahl:

i cant get a single one of the url's to open heh

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Nostahl:

says no url found on every one of em even after its been updated

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BULLE:

Nostahl: even for apple videos ?

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Nostahl:

apple video's it does

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Nostahl:

but all the youtube one's it wont do

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Nostahl:

and all others etc

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BULLE:

same here

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Nostahl:

radio it does fine though

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BULLE:

yeah, sounds like my experience

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Nostahl:

tryed manualy setting up some youtube vid's

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Nostahl:

no url found

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Nostahl:

heh

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psofa:

how can i stop mythweb/mythbackend from generating thumbnails?

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psofa:

theres something wrong with h264 ( i suppose the coreavc patch) that makes the backend freak out when i go to the recording page in mythweb

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psofa:

i have already disabled thubnails appearing in mythfrontend recordings view

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hadees:

I just got my HD-PVRs this morning, what is the driver situation like? is it really usable or should i wait a while before i actually put them in my main system

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iamlindoro_:

hadees: #hdpvr is the place to discuss it, but it is *definitely* not ready for a production system just yet

[15:39:33]

iamlindoro_:

It's usable, but not reliable yet

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mkrufky:

i hear it works well enough to record 8 hours / day

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mkrufky:

im lazy so i dont know yet for myself

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mkrufky:

er, 8hrs/day was an arbitrary number

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: like I said, it's *usable*, but one out of ten recordings will randomly fail, occasionally locking up the Hd-PVR itself, half the features are unimplemented, and playback has occasional major glitches :)

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mkrufky:

aaah, ok

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hadees:

since i really need the hd-pvr for the HD channels can i then set it up so mythtv records via svideo through my hardware mpeg2 cards for most channels but through the HD-PVR for the few HD channels

[15:42:07]

iamlindoro_:

The consensus seems to be that setting the STB to output 720p only is the most reliable way to get good playback and recording without issue

[15:42:34]

iamlindoro_:

for the moment, that is... 1080i will eventually be more stable

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iamlindoro_:

and is perfectly *recordable* right now

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mkrufky:

if its the problem that im thinking of... it is the SWITCH from 720p -> 1080i and vice versa that causes the instability

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: naw, I'm 1080i only and see the issues

[15:43:17]

mkrufky:

does 1080i work fine if the stb is set to always 1080i ?

[15:43:22]

mkrufky:

ooh, that sucks

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mkrufky:

can somebody buy me an extra week of time to insert between saturday and sunday, so that i can set my sh*t up?

[15:44:04]

mkrufky:

once i get set up i can probably help out

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iamlindoro_:

the 1080i playback issues seem to spring from libavcodec not having all the encoding features the HD-PVR uses implemented

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mkrufky:

(i dont think there are any secrets left, so i can stop hiding now)

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mkrufky:

ah

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iamlindoro_:

I am thankfully still able to record just about everything with firewire. Amusingly, I'm actually considering adding HD Premium channels... Comcast thinks you'll steal cable if you can record in HD, when in reality I'll actually buy *more*

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mkrufky:

yeah, they just dont understand

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** mishehu bahs. **

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mishehu:

one of these days I have to revive my myth box. been too busy for tv. :-/

[15:58:16]

beandog:

thats usually a good thing

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hadees:

mishehu, thats why mythtv is perfect, you don't have to waste time on shows you don't want to watch

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hadees:

and you save a lot of time not watching commericals

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EvilGuru:

iamlindoro_: Do they have any plans to turn off component out over in the states (here in the UK a few companies are considering it)

[15:59:26]

iamlindoro_:

EvilGuru: They would like to, and there are various sneaky attempts to give them the power to do so right now. Doesn't stop us from doing an HDMI->Component conversion, however

[15:59:45]

iamlindoro_:

Speaking of which, my equipment to do so should arrive in the mail today, woo hoo!

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hadees:

iamlindoro, would that cause further quality loss?

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iamlindoro_:

hadees: no

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mishehu:

hadees: I know, I just had some hardware failures here and was thinking of replacing my two myth boxes with mythbuntu

[16:00:36]

iamlindoro_:

hadees: in fact, if you buy decent stuff, you may end up with *better* component out than those on the box itself

[16:00:37]

hadees:

iamlindoro, what are you recording that only gives you HDMI?

[16:00:46]

mishehu:

previously I've done everything on slackware/slamd64, but I don't even need to fsck around with lirc anymore because I don't have two remotes on one machine anymore.

[16:01:02]

EvilGuru:

HDMI -> VGA should be near perfect so long as a decent converter is used

[16:01:18]

iamlindoro_:

hadees: Nothing, all my boxes have component out. I purchased as insurance against them turning off component out and suing the HDMI stripper manufacturers out of existence

[16:01:34]

hadees:

iamlindoro, lol how much does that cost?

[16:01:57]

hadees:

i already dropped $500 to get the damn HD-PVR boxes

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iamlindoro_:

Retail price on the HDMI->RGB converter/HDCP stripper is $149, but Monoprice has them for $80, so I bought there. RGB-> Component is $150. So $230 total to do a high quality HDMI->component conversion and stripping the copy protection

[16:03:27]

iamlindoro_:

anyway, it's not *necessary* right now, but insurance. I think when they decide to crush these guys it will happen quickly, though. So I got in while I could :)

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EvilGuru:

iamlindoro_: What happens to audio? Is it just an S/PDIF out

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iamlindoro_:

EvilGuru: You have to use the Optical out on the box (or analog, I suppose)

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hadees:

iamlindoro, now you are starting to make me worry

[16:05:14]

hadees:

iamlindoro, do you have a link to the hardware?

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iamlindoro_:

hadees: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . amp;format=2

[16:06:05]

iamlindoro_:

The's the HDMI->RGB conerter/HDCP stripper

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.curtpalme.com/Box1020.shtm

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iamlindoro_:

That's RGB->Component

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hadees:

wait so i have to go from HDMI->RGB then RGB->Component

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iamlindoro_:

yes

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hadees:

the HDMI->RGB is the problem though right?

[16:08:33]

iamlindoro_:

that's the lion's share of the work, yes, but not because of the conversion, because of the HDCP handshake

[16:08:34]

hadees:

iamlindoro, i could buy the RGB->Component if they ever actually kill it

[16:08:49]

iamlindoro_:

yes, there's no rush on the RGB->Component part

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hadees:

iamlindoro, cool so thanks for making me really paranoid, now i'm going to drop another $160

[16:09:21]

iamlindoro_:

Haha, $80

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hadees:

i have to get two

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hadees:

i own two HD-PVR boxes

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iamlindoro_:

and you don't *have* to do that, I am paranoid so I have, but it's probably no rush at all

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EvilGuru:

And I think I'm nuts.

[16:10:14]

iamlindoro_:

I am more interested in the fun of making it work than I am worried I will wake up and be without component anytime soon

[16:10:23]

hadees:

iamlindoro, but i'm paranoid too, and it makes sense

[16:10:54]

hadees:

because aren't they violating the HDMI stuff

[16:11:22]

iamlindoro_:

Read their product site-- it's sort of a "gray area" of interpretation that they use to justify it

[16:11:56]

iamlindoro_:

ie "because we output in RGB and there are no low-price consumer RGB capture devices, we're in compliance because we're not giving consumers easy access to an unencrypted stream."

[16:12:06]

iamlindoro_:

Which is, of course, silly nonsense :)

[16:12:27]

iamlindoro_:

But that's *their* justification, and they've snuck by under the radar thus far

[16:13:15]

iamlindoro_:

I happen to believe they're going to get sued out of existence at some point

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EvilGuru:

There is always East Asia, kind of hard to sue a company whose operation is based there

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iamlindoro_:

EvilGuru: The added advantage is a company from there could get away with say, making their HDCP key a copy of a Sony display, making it irrevocable without breaking HDCP for sony displays :)

[16:15:17]

mkrufky:

who they?

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quicksilver:

which happens to be a rather good example of why HDCP keys are a broken idea :)

[16:15:20]

mkrufky:

us they?

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: no no

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: HDCP stripper manufacturers

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EvilGuru:

mkrufky: Companies with questionable morals looking to make money

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mkrufky:

ooooh

[16:15:58]

mkrufky:

ah, yeah i need to pick up some of those while i still have the chance

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mkrufky:

:-P

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iamlindoro_:

exactly :)

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EvilGuru:

Perfect thing to smuggle back after a trip there

[16:17:05]

iamlindoro_:

If it were me, and this is just a theoretical, I would be manufacturing my strippers with different, randomized keys per-batch to make revocation *really* hard

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EvilGuru:

iamlindoro_: Once you hit the magic number their screwed

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mkrufky:

why not just generate a new random key each time?

[16:17:46]

EvilGuru:

I think you need 40 (?) or so keys to reverse engineer the master key

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mkrufky:

oh

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, I recall reading that theory as well... I think as things clamp down we can expect to see it broken

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hadees:

iamlindoro, now you and me can laugh when they sue that company

[16:19:01]

iamlindoro_:

at which point we can all buy whatever new random crap they come up with

[16:19:18]

iamlindoro_:

hadees: bought one, eh?

[16:19:22]

iamlindoro_:

or two, rather

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hadees:

iamlindoro, actually two

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hadees:

lol

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EvilGuru:

I guess we'll have to wait for HDCP to reach the far East

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hadees:

iamlindoro, it was a good price

[16:20:03]

iamlindoro_:

yeah, it's by far the cheapest I've seen for it

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iamlindoro_:

Speaking of which, it's here. PS, I hate blister packs

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Ace2016_:

aww i'm in trouble now

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Ace2016_:

i bet someone they couldn't balance their laptop on their head

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Ace2016_:

and they did

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Ace2016_:

but their hair got caught in it and i got the blame :(

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Ace2016_:

>:-|

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iamlindoro_:

I can see how that would be noteworthy if I were 12 years old

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Ace2016_:

you aren't?

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iamlindoro_:

Alas, no, then I would be able to think up *lots* of great reasons to bet someone to balanace a laptop on their head

[17:26:11]

iamlindoro_:

as opposed to realizing how fucking retarded it sounds

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Ace2016_:

it seemed like the right bet at the time, how was i supposed to know they'd risk putting it on their head and it falling and breaking

[17:28:16]

Hilikus:

hey guys, can i use mytharchive to make a dvd out of a video in mythvideo rather than a recording?

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EvilGuru:

Ace2016_: Their fault :) Just laugh.

[17:39:22]

EvilGuru:

Then, if you're feeling nice, give them a set of hair clippers for their birthdat

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directhex:

Hilikus, yes iirc

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Hilikus:

k thanks

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Hilikus:

is there a guide on that new feature to stream videos?? the asx stream thing?

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directhex:

asx streams are not new. flash streaming is new

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Hilikus:

asx streams were not available in 0.20

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Hilikus:

the button's there only since i upgraded to 0.21

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Hilikus:

and i didnt even know about flash streams

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Hilikus:

when i try to play an asx stream it tries to open it with WMP but at the end it says it cant

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hti_pro:

anyone up for giving advice on c++

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directhex:

yes. "use c#! all the cool kids do"

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hti_pro:

ok, i'm trying to use the iostream library in a program and it keeps giving this error: program.c:1:20: error: iostream: No such file or directory

[18:02:40]

hti_pro:

found iostream in /usr/include/c++/4.1.2/iostream

[18:03:03]

Strex:

anyone ever use mythfrontend on MacOSX? I'm trying the one from thesniderpad.com and having some problems..

[18:03:16]

hti_pro:

#c++ told me files are not in the right place, but they don't do *nix so they don't know what to tell me

[18:03:16]

iamlindoro_:

directhex: congrats, he thinks you just volunteered

[18:04:08]

hti_pro:

iamlindoro_: it was a general question for anyone to answer

[18:04:24]

hti_pro:

if anyone feels up to it

[18:05:02]

iamlindoro_:

hti_pro: Yes, but you asked if anyone was up for it, and you didn't get a serious affirmative, and it's wayyyy offtopic when there are tons of channels where it *would* be on topic, so I figure that leaves you open to ridicule

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hti_pro:

i agree, I seem to be a ghost in the channels i have tried already, so I figured i'd get the same here. Just thought I'd give it a shot

[18:06:23]

hti_pro:

it is somewhat myth related as I am trying to learn c++ with the intention of contributing

[18:07:00]

iamlindoro_:

So if you have a problem with your power at home, is that related to myth because you intend to plug your mythbox in?

[18:07:17]

iamlindoro_:

If you can't afford food, is it myth related because without energy you can't build a mythbox?

[18:07:53]

iamlindoro_:

should we promote literacy because without the ability to read, kids can't contribute to myth source?

[18:08:30]

hti_pro:

alright i give up, it was a long shot i know, I'll turn and walk away in shame now

[18:08:59]

Strex:

hti_pro: what ever the motive,you get my props for trying to learn c++, good luck to ya.

[18:09:11]

hti_pro:

Strex: thanks

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hti_pro:

lol

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hti_pro:

I can't always count on you guys for my daily dose of ridicule

[18:09:40]

hti_pro:

er... can

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iamlindoro_:

yay!

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alexvd_:

hi i want to migrate my recordings from my old backend to another backend. I have the database and main install on one drive and the recordings on another drive nfs mounted to the recordings directory. I think my options are manually copy the sql database and manually copy the recordings. The other option that seems much easier is to use nuvexport. I want to retain the show recording information etc.. So is nuvexpor

[20:08:05]

alexvd_:

t the easy way to go even with recordings on a seperate drive?

[20:08:40]

iamlindoro_:

alexvd_: If you are copying the whole setup wholesale, it would be *way* easier to just import the DB and mount the recordings in the same location

[20:09:34]

iamlindoro_:

I think documentation 23.5 or 23.7 covers this eventuality, BTW, if you want a step by step guide... but don't quote me on the exact section #

[20:09:36]

alexvd_:

well I am not copying the whole setup as in migrating to new hardware. I am migrating from Mythbuntu to LMCE. I just want the recordings and I will manually copy the videos

[20:09:52]

GreyFoxx:

just keep the recordings table

[20:09:56]

iamlindoro_:

then yes, check those doc sections, that will allow you to just migrate the recording info

[20:10:08]

GreyFoxx:

and then all you need to do is update that 1 table to have the "new" hostname of the new backend

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GreyFoxx:

it will retain the show titles, etc

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alexvd_:

Right I read about the changing of the hostname part.

[20:10:30]

GreyFoxx:

the table name is "recorded"

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GreyFoxx:

and oldrecorded if you want the history so you don't rerecord stuff you have already got

[20:10:49]

alexvd_:

So how come on the forums I read where people say just use nuvexport and it retains all teh information

[20:10:58]

GreyFoxx:

No idea

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7

[20:11:03]

GreyFoxx:

some people are idiots?

[20:11:08]

iamlindoro_:

SO TRUE

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alexvd_:

Good Point. missed you guys :)

[20:11:26]

GreyFoxx:

And for all I know there ight be a nuvexport option to save the data somewhere

[20:11:38]

GreyFoxx:

but it's nowhere near the best option for migrating backends imho :)

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GreyFoxx:

looks like my cableco is moving channels around

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** GreyFoxx has to scan and find his favourite multiplex again **

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mkrufky:

who's your provider, GreyFoxx?

[20:12:32]

GreyFoxx:

Company called Eastlink

[20:12:44]

mkrufky:

cablevision has been changing things around each day for the past few weeks

[20:12:54]

GreyFoxx:

this is the 3rd move they've done in the last 2 years so it's not too bad

[20:12:54]

mkrufky:

luckily, i have time warner at home

[20:13:19]

GreyFoxx:

Each time they do it I just wait a day and then do a new scan

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mkrufky:

yeah, just as long as they dont do it during the primetime season, fine with me :-)

[20:13:34]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

I only really bother with the one multiplex. the stations I really care about are all on the one

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jams:

mkrufky- you actually get stuff from TW ?

[20:15:10]

mkrufky:

time warner?

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mkrufky:

yes

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jams:

yeah

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** GreyFoxx watches the minues tick **

[20:15:16]

jams:

lucky

[20:15:29]

GreyFoxx:

almost time to grab the kid from daycare... may favourite part of the day :)

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mkrufky:

i live in NYC, jams ... u?

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GreyFoxx:

s/may/my

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jams:

i had a few channels but when I moved across town it all went away

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jams:

mkrufky- milwaukee wi

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mkrufky:

ah

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mkrufky:

scan again — sometimes when i scan i get nothing, but i still lock when i tune directly

[20:16:23]

mkrufky:

(probably a driver bug — shame on me)

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jams:

will do

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jams:

sigh..back to the hardware store

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jams:

it's like the 12th trip this week.

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Ace2016_:

you counted?

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squish102:

does any1 use Logitech Harmony remotes?

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squish102:

if i had an usb ir receiver made by creative, that came with a sound card, could i pair it up with the harmony remote 550?

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squish102:

the remote that came with the ir receiver is really bad

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iamlindoro_:

If you can get lirc to work with the receiver, then odds are you can make the harmony emulate something that will work with it

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squish102:

ok thanks iamlindoro_

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squish102:

i have never had much luck with remotes and always end up ripping out the wireless keyboard

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Fenix-Dark:

hi

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Fenix-Dark:

i just installed mythtv, when i click on the watch tv button, the screen goes black for a second then returns back to the menu

[21:11:45]

sutula:

Fenix-Dark: You'll need to view the console output coming from mythtv to know what's going on...are you running it from a menu?

[21:11:58]

sutula:

(run it from a terminal instead(

[21:12:02]

Fenix-Dark:

ok

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Fenix-Dark:

its mythbuntu btw

[21:12:29]

iamlindoro_:

The frontend log is not likely to contain the information needed, it's likely in the backend log

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iamlindoro_:

/var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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Fenix-Dark:

k

[21:14:38]

Fenix-Dark:

here's the end of the log, http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/1068

[21:15:13]

iamlindoro_:

Fenix-Dark: Either your recording dir (/home/scott) doesn't exist or the user running mythbackend has no rights to it

[21:15:35]

iamlindoro_:

if you're running mythbuntu, then the mythbackend user is probably the "mythtv" user, who predictably wouldn't have rights scott's home dir

[21:15:52]

Fenix-Dark:

ok

[21:15:59]

Fenix-Dark:

i'll chmod /home/scott

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iamlindoro_:

So either give mythtv rights to that dir, or make your recording dir something accessible to everyone but not in a home dir

[21:16:21]

iamlindoro_:

I wouldn't put it where you have it, by the by

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Fenix-Dark:

ok

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Fenix-Dark:

where would you put it?

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iamlindoro_:

because some of the mythtv cleanup scripts assume dedicated recording directories and might clean out...well, everything else there :)

[21:16:54]

iamlindoro_:

Mine is just /recordings

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** sutula thinks, somewhere where there's lots of Gb **

[21:17:12]

iamlindoro_:

mkdir /recordings, chmod 777 /recordings, and set it in mythtv-setup

[21:17:17]

iamlindoro_:

or similar

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Fenix-Dark:

k, i made /recordings and made mythtv (user) the owner

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iamlindoro_:

should work

[21:19:17]

Fenix-Dark:

its laggy, but working

[21:19:27]

Fenix-Dark:

its a nice high def slide show

[21:19:39]

iamlindoro_:

heh, now you need to learn playback profiles

[21:19:57]

Fenix-Dark:

could this just be since its not using the nvidia driver?

[21:20:12]

sutula:

iamlindoro_: Is there a good HowTo for the playback tuning stuff?

[21:20:21]

directhex:

yes. yes it could.

[21:20:36]

iamlindoro_:

Fenix-Dark: yes, very probably

[21:20:43]

iamlindoro_:

sutula: I don't think so-- I learned it through trial and error, I don't think the Wiki article is very... fleshy... right now

[21:20:55]

Fenix-Dark:

iamlindoro, meh, i told this gui to use the nvidia drivers...

[21:20:59]

Fenix-Dark:

i'll just edit the xorg.conf

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles

[21:21:14]

iamlindoro_:

Oh look, it's gotten considerably better

[21:21:22]

sutula:

iamlindoro_: Thanks

[21:21:35]

iamlindoro_:

np

[21:21:48]

** iamlindoro_ points out he is being nice but promises it won't last **

[21:21:57]

iamlindoro_:

;)

[21:22:11]

iamlindoro_:

*cough* EvilGuru *cough*

[21:22:29]

EvilGuru:

I was getting worried there for a second

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iamlindoro_:

haha

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blackest:

should i hurry it up abit by asking you the same question 3 times and then ignoring what you say ;)

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** iamlindoro_ cracks his knuckles and narrows his eyes **

[21:23:04]

iamlindoro_:

Yes... that would do it

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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blackest:

nah i won't do it,,, unless your good with css :)

[21:23:54]

Fenix-Dark:

....stupid ubuntu

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Fenix-Dark:

there's snow over everything now that i'm using the nvidia driver

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directhex:

yes, the best bet is to blame the distribution, because blaming the 20 meg of closed-source data you force-fed your kernel would be silly

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iamlindoro_:

My kernel eats closed source and shits NDAs

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Fenix-Dark:

directhex, i normally use slackware, but i had some wierd issues with my tv tuner card so i'm using mythbuntu to be sure if its hardware related. this is the only time i've had graphical artifacting from choosing a different graphical driver

[21:27:53]

dustybin:

anyone here got a LFS mythtv system working?

[21:28:05]

Fenix-Dark:

directhex, i'm just annoyed that this suppisidly 'easy to use' distro is turning out to be a bigger pain than a supposidly hard to use distro

[21:28:14]

dustybin:

Fenix-Dark: ubuntu?

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Fenix-Dark:

mythbuntu

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dustybin:

hmm

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dustybin:

a lot of the guys what work with debian are older generation

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dustybin:

ubuntu younger generation

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Fenix-Dark:

when i first got it installed i had snow on the screen, even without the nvidia driver, i had to run their xfix app in recovery mode to fix it

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KjetilK:

I have a DVD that doesn't play when I use the Play DVD thing, which is using mplayer

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KjetilK:

I don't see any error messages that seems relevant

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Hilikus:

iamlindoro remember the problem i was having with the controls freezing?

[21:32:18]

KjetilK:

the DVD is mounted, and I found something interesting if I did

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Hilikus:

turns out its the decoder

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iamlindoro_:

KjetilK: if it is even remotely recent, there's always the chance that it's using one of the "break the DVD format by inserting bad blocks" method of copy protection

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clever:

Fenix-Dark: i have red green and blue snow on one of my laptops, even when x isnt running

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clever:

the lcd is toast

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iamlindoro_:

Hilikus: I don't recall, which controls?

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Hilikus:

i changed the playback profile to normal or slim and it doesnt happen

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KjetilK:

iamlindoro_: it is supposed to be from 1988

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iamlindoro_:

KjetilK: That's the film, not the DVD

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Hilikus:

iamlindoro when i oppened the guide my controls would freeze

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iamlindoro_:

DVD wasn't around in 88

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KjetilK:

right

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Hilikus:

only on live tv and when unpaused

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iamlindoro_:

Hilikus: Interesting... well, all's well that ends well!

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KjetilK:

I tried grepping for "xml", and found that

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KjetilK:

grep: VTS_01_5.VOB: Input/output error

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KjetilK:

is that a Bad Sign[tm]?

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clever:

bad sectors

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clever:

either on purpose or a scratch

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KjetilK:

hmmm, yeah

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Hilikus:

true, thing is. the image does look sharper with the cpu+ profile, any idea why i would have that problem? you think its just not enough power somewhere in the hardware or its something i could fix in the software?

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clever:

its either a crappy dvd, scratch, on purpose to screw with dvd riping

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iamlindoro_:

Hilikus: I would look at your deinterlacers

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Hilikus:

with the normal profile it doesnt freeze but frames get dropped, in cpu+ no drops but control freeze, on slim everything OK but not as sharp

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iamlindoro_:

You might be using linear, which is a bit shmooshy, you might try Yadif instead

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KjetilK:

Hmmm, perhaps I'll just return it for a replacement

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Hilikus:

iamlindoro i lost where that is configured since i updated to 0.21

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KjetilK:

if it is on purpose, it would be illegal in Norway

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iamlindoro_:

Hilikus: it's where you set the playback profile

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iamlindoro_:

Hilikus: Edit each rule, second page of each

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Hilikus:

really? i did but i didnt see anything about deinterlacers

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dustybin:

clever: have you tidied up your mess yet

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clever:

dustybin: those pics are from months ago:P

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Hilikus:

gonna check again, thanks

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dustybin:

:P

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iamlindoro_:

Note how he didn't answer

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iamlindoro_:

There's just more shit and wiring now

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clever:

ive got a new mess now:P

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iamlindoro_:

And stuff he "found"

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iamlindoro_:

"Hey, someone threw away a perfectly good VAX!"

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clever:

i have a desktop with the crt monitor in it

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clever:

like a mac

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clever:

but its a 486

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clever:

still has win 3.11 on it

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** KjetilK is trying to get rid of an AlphaServer 2100... **

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clever:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/desk/desk%20006.jpg

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clever:

the new router

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clever:

i think the serial cord was going to the vt100 terminal in that pic

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KjetilK:

someone came around to pick it up, but the van wasn't big enough

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iamlindoro_:

clever: We need to have an intervention and send you to summer camp on the Apple campus to get this clutter-love out of your system

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clever:

lol

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dustybin:

clever: what is your electricity bill a month?

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** clever goes to find oen **

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clever:

117$ for a random month

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Hilikus:

iamlindoro its not here. i have match criteria, decoder, max cpus, video renderer, osd renderer and OSD fade

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clever:

770–1200 kWh/month

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Hilikus:

nothing about deinterlacers

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clever:

dustybin: there your answer

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dustybin:

clever: how much do you pay

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clever:

jan 2006 was $117

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iamlindoro_:

Hilikus: second page

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clever:

heres a 2008 one

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Hilikus:

damn, i cant believe a missed a second page

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Hilikus:

sorry about that

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clever:

dustybin: between 800–900 kWh/month

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

quite high

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clever:

the house only has a 100amp service

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clever:

the garage has its own meter and 200amp

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clever:

the old owner had a welder in the garage

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dustybin:

ok

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clever:

i can see the lights dimm when the furnace or washer kick in

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clever:

but it hasnt affected any of the computers

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dustybin:

clever: have you ever had a marathon computer session where you have stayed up 48 hours +

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clever:

havent stayed up 24 hours very often

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clever:

dont think ive ever done 48 hours

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dustybin:

ok

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Hilikus:

if i use the matching criteria, when i open the guide and im watching the little image, would that match the smaller resolution or it depends on the resolution of the source and not of the displaying window??

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Hilikus:

i want to see if its posible to disable deinterlacing when on the guide only

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EvilGuru:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj3SIXtLaAY — reminds me of some of the oddjobs than wander in here once or twice a week

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madfactor:

ne1 here?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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madfactor:

ne1 know if the avermedia bravo cards work with myth yet?

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directhex:

are they in the linuxtv wiki?

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iamlindoro:

MythTV doesn't support cards directly itself, it just uses those cards supported by linuxtv

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iamlindoro:

so do what directhex said

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iamlindoro:

and check that

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iamlindoro:

and you'll have your answer

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madfactor:

Yeah, that is right, I'll check that, thanks.

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iamlindoro:

I have to stop being... what's that word again?

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iamlindoro:

"Nice."

[23:56:06]

iamlindoro:

Or, for extra credit, "tolerable."

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madfactor:

I could remember when this channel was very helpful.

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iamlindoro:

What a nightmare that would be

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iamlindoro:

Heaven helps those who help themselves, as they say

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iamlindoro:

And IRC is not a substitute for making the barest of efforts to find answers oneself

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webvictim:

for a second, i thought that said "breast of efforts".

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webvictim:

i think i must be tired :(

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iamlindoro:

Mmmm, breast efforts...

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webvictim:

either tired or lonely, at any rate!

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madfactor:

laugh

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iamlindoro:

no, you do it

[23:59:06]

iamlindoro:

nobody tells me to laugh

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