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| [01:10:17] | Kazan: | hey guys... i need to get a new remote for my mythbox.. the current one is going to crap |
| [01:10:21] | Kazan: | anyone have some recommendations |
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| [01:19:37] | Dagmar: | Anything you like that you can get at the department store. |
| [01:19:41] | Dagmar: | Preferrably a programmable one. |
| [01:19:47] | Dagmar: | Programmable ones are easier to deal with. |
| [01:20:09] | Dagmar: | ...cuz you can pick any remote that LIRC has a file you can easily find for, and just tell the remote to behave like that. |
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| [01:20:31] | Dagmar: | I've got a URC-9660 made by One4All that is pretending to be a Phillips PVR remote. |
| [01:20:46] | Kazan: | heh |
| [01:20:54] | Kazan: | i had one of the radio shack 8-in-1s |
| [01:21:14] | Kazan: | and it had one midly annoying quirk, one majorly annoying quirk.. and degrades quickly over it's life |
| [01:21:30] | Kazan: | the major annoying quirk: inconsistent repeat count when you press a button |
| [01:21:36] | Kazan: | and now it's buttons are crapping out |
| [01:22:09] | Dagmar: | Go to Target or something then |
| [01:22:24] | Dagmar: | I've been beating that little remote I got silly for a bit over two years now.. |
| [01:24:03] | Kazan: | heh |
| [01:24:11] | Dagmar: | Hey, look at it this way... If you only spent $14 on it, who gives a crap if it dies in 2–3 yars. |
| [01:24:13] | Kazan: | well i gotta return books to the library so i'll go swing by a store :D |
| [01:24:28] | Kazan: | my wife who is constantly growling at it when it misbehaves |
| [01:24:39] | Dagmar: | Well, things have come a long way with remotes. |
| [01:24:41] | Kazan: | wife and this remote have always had poor compatibility :P |
| [01:24:46] | Kazan: | anyway.. afk now |
| [01:24:55] | Dagmar: | Don't worry about what looks fancy. Aim for one that's meant for use with a PVR and has the buttons you need on it. |
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| [02:00:40] | Chicago: | Hi, I haven't used mythphone in a while and now that I am trying to use it again, I am finding that the ivtv drivers are clobbering my quickcam drivers... since dev/v4l/video[0,1,24,25,32,33] are being taken by IVTV... how do I force the quickcam driver to choose something other than /dev/v4l/video0 which is conflicting. |
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| [02:03:22] | cesman: | Chicago: udev rule |
| [02:03:33] | cesman: | Chicago: search the wiki for details |
| [02:04:02] | Chicago: | thanks |
| [02:04:26] | cesman: | you're welcome |
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| [02:13:55] | HaraDragon: | hello all |
| [02:14:08] | Kazan: | hi |
| [02:14:31] | HaraDragon: | I finally got mythbuntu up and running |
| [02:14:36] | HaraDragon: | *cheers* |
| [02:15:06] | asmussen: | gratz |
| [02:15:22] | HaraDragon: | However, as you are probably guessing, as with all new users, I am having a minor issue |
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| [02:16:16] | HaraDragon: | I have my windows shares mounted to the default dir's that mythtv uses, i.e. music to music, movies to movies, etc. |
| [02:17:24] | HaraDragon: | images and music work fine; however, after running the movie detection (and having the db populated), whenever I try to play a movie, all I get is "Loading..." and mythtv hangs there for a while, then removes the loading message and sits there. |
| [02:17:44] | HaraDragon: | I've googled, read the faq, and done a fare bit of poking around on the system, but I can't seem to find the issue. |
| [02:17:53] | HaraDragon: | Has anyone run across anything like that? |
| [02:18:07] | cesman: | not I |
| [02:18:14] | HaraDragon: | *sigh* |
| [02:18:25] | cesman: | HaraDragon: can you mplayer /path/to/movies/movie.foo? |
| [02:18:28] | HaraDragon: | I thought it was permissions on my windows shares, but they all check out |
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| [02:18:36] | cesman: | HaraDragon: what does the frontend log state? |
| [02:18:46] | HaraDragon: | cesman: haven't tried that yet. brb |
| [02:18:49] | cesman: | HaraDragon: what is the default player? |
| [02:18:53] | HaraDragon: | I haven't remote yet |
| [02:19:18] | HaraDragon: | I don't know which player is default... It's whatever mythtv is setup to use by default after install. |
| [02:20:11] | cesman: | HaraDragon: could tell ya... MythTV's by default maybe Interal however that doesn't mean the Mythbuntu folks don't set it to mplayer or xine or foo |
| [02:20:25] | cesman: | couldn't tell ya |
| [02:20:33] | HaraDragon: | checking the logs again now |
| [02:20:45] | cesman: | HaraDragon: first thing would be to try and play outside of MythTV |
| [02:20:55] | cesman: | if that works, state checking your logs |
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| [02:30:58] | HaraDragon: | cesman: thank you |
| [02:31:05] | HaraDragon: | you helped point out my inherent retardation |
| [02:31:05] | cesman: | you're welcome |
| [02:31:11] | cesman: | :) |
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| [02:31:42] | HaraDragon: | vlc worked, so I checked the config for mplayer... the driver it was using... I have no idea what it was. I switched to the ogl driver... and voila! |
| [02:31:58] | HaraDragon: | now... to get my sound working... |
| [02:32:22] | ** cesman heads off to eat ** | |
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| [02:46:05] | iamlindoro: | svn.mythtv.org down for anyone else? |
| [02:47:23] | GreyFoxx: | yes. Isaac is updating trac |
| [02:47:27] | iamlindoro: | ah, ok |
| [02:47:42] | HaraDragon: | anyone using an ATI HD card w/ their myth install/ |
| [02:47:47] | PatrickDK: | guess I don't need to say, yes, then |
| [02:48:17] | Dagmar: | Okay. The Antec NSK 2480 is FTW |
| [02:48:25] | cesman: | HaraDragon: not I, however there is info in the wiki about ATi HD tuners |
| [02:49:31] | HaraDragon: | reading on it now |
| [02:50:13] | HaraDragon: | I like the control center ati provides... but I loath the underscan... and how Xorg.conf seems to revert to the previous after manually setting 1080p res |
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| [02:57:40] | ** J-e-f-f-A doesn't like anything ATI... ** | |
| [02:59:05] | ** HaraDragon Loves ATI... but want's them to get their head out of their collective asses ** | |
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| [02:59:46] | strex: | sup folks |
| [02:59:55] | HaraDragon: | hello |
| [03:00:07] | cesman: | hello strex |
| [03:00:39] | strex: | got a hopefully quick question for anyone who can help me with mythweather. |
| [03:01:14] | strex: | On the 18Hr screen I can't seem to find a way to get rid or the "Prec" label.. |
| [03:02:06] | strex: | I live in AZ (US) and precipitation isn't common enough for me to want to know about it.. |
| [03:03:02] | cesman: | lol! |
| [03:03:47] | HaraDragon: | strex: phoenix anyone? |
| [03:05:14] | strex: | I've already tried the theme's xml files, along with mythtv's weather-screens.xml neither of which talk about the option I'm looking for.. |
| [03:05:39] | strex: | HaraDragon where you at? |
| [03:06:41] | HaraDragon: | south of tucson near the base |
| [03:06:52] | iamlindoro: | Ahhhh Davis Monthan |
| [03:06:59] | HaraDragon: | army base |
| [03:07:02] | HaraDragon: | Huachuca |
| [03:07:04] | iamlindoro: | Ahhh fort Huachuca |
| [03:07:09] | HaraDragon: | aka... asshole of america |
| [03:07:14] | HaraDragon: | I thought that was Yuma... then I moved here |
| [03:07:36] | HaraDragon: | iamlindoro: you been out this way |
| [03:07:43] | iamlindoro: | Go cats |
| [03:07:43] | strex: | HaraDragon, lol, I've been there... |
| [03:07:51] | ** iamlindoro is a Wildcat ** | |
| [03:07:55] | iamlindoro: | well, was |
| [03:08:06] | HaraDragon: | word. Gotcha |
| [03:08:17] | HaraDragon: | If you can believe it, I moved out here from Chicago |
| [03:08:24] | strex: | damn.. |
| [03:08:28] | HaraDragon: | yeah |
| [03:08:32] | strex: | well, I'm from OR. |
| [03:08:56] | HaraDragon: | I've seen pics of OR, it's beautiful. Why oh why the hell would you move out the this catbox |
| [03:09:13] | ** iamlindoro misses Los Betos ** | |
| [03:09:13] | strex: | because I was 3... |
| [03:09:30] | HaraDragon: | ha ha, ok |
| [03:09:39] | HaraDragon: | let me just say, your parents screwed you |
| [03:09:47] | strex: | iamlindoro, the only Los Betos I know is a mexican resturant down the street.. |
| [03:09:49] | HaraDragon: | I'd leave them a nasty voicemail right now |
| [03:09:55] | iamlindoro: | strex: yup |
| [03:10:09] | strex: | HaraDragon, lol. |
| [03:10:33] | strex: | more beer++ |
| [03:10:49] | HaraDragon: | there's one in Scottsdale |
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| [03:11:20] | iamlindoro: | The Original is on Speedway in Tucson, yay 3 AM Los Betos runs |
| [03:11:27] | HaraDragon: | rofl |
| [03:11:36] | HaraDragon: | Roldolfo's here |
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| [03:11:40] | HaraDragon: | mmmm... burritos |
| [03:11:47] | strex: | iamlindoro, I'm with ya.. |
| [03:12:28] | HaraDragon: | I try not to make it to tucson... Unless I'm going to hit up 58deg and Holding |
| [03:12:29] | HaraDragon: | for some wine |
| [03:12:33] | strex: | nothing to kick the dry heves like Los Betos Bean and Cheese with red sause. |
| [03:12:36] | strex: | *Sauce |
| [03:12:43] | Dagmar: | Kick 'em right into gear there |
| [03:13:12] | HaraDragon: | there's a million of them in tucson |
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| [03:14:44] | strex: | Arriba's up here is my new favorite.. |
| [03:15:01] | strex: | up here == phx |
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| [03:15:33] | HaraDragon: | strex: figured that when you said you didn't bother w/ weather because it never rained in az |
| [03:15:38] | HaraDragon: | phoenix is a dustbowl |
| [03:16:09] | strex: | HaraDragon, yep but Tuscon isn't much better. |
| [03:16:45] | iamlindoro: | Don't be crazy, it's monsoon season |
| [03:17:04] | iamlindoro: | The wispy clouds will melt into monsoons any moment now |
| [03:17:19] | strex: | HaraDragon, I still use mythweather, but I don't use (or need the 'Perc' section of the 18Hr forcast.. |
| [03:17:36] | Varak_: | any of you have a chennels.conf that includes the hd tp |
| [03:17:47] | Varak_: | er channels.conf |
| [03:18:04] | iamlindoro: | Varak_: a channels.conf isn't a universal thing, it's going to be different for every location |
| [03:18:07] | strex: | monsoon season can be pretty good here, other than that I shake my fist at the fist az seettlers. |
| [03:18:24] | Varak_: | yup i want the tps' for dish 119 and 110 |
| [03:18:48] | iamlindoro: | Varak_: Well then forget it, because we don't talk about stealing satellite in here |
| [03:19:19] | iamlindoro: | And further talk is likely to get you kicked |
| [03:19:26] | strex: | So seriously anyone know much about 'mythweather'? |
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| [03:19:55] | strex: | the Doc's and the code don't help too much.. |
| [03:21:02] | strex: | Varak_, lol... |
| [03:23:21] | strex: | so what's everyone up to tonight? |
| [03:23:52] | Dagmar: | WHta? |
| [03:23:57] | Dagmar: | When did he say he wanted to steal something? |
| [03:24:20] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar: Dish 110 and 119 + DVB-S = guy trying to use a SoftCAM |
| [03:24:38] | Dagmar: | Ah okay |
| [03:24:44] | Dagmar: | He should learn to use a goddamn search engine then |
| [03:24:50] | Dagmar: | I just found all that shit |
| [03:24:55] | strex: | lol |
| [03:24:55] | iamlindoro: | or too stupid to realize he needs a softCAM, that is :) |
| [03:25:10] | iamlindoro: | and that we aren't down for that silly shit |
| [03:25:13] | strex: | google ftw |
| [03:25:41] | Dagmar: | Well, if all the channesls on those are encrypted, then yeah, he's an ignorant jackass |
| [03:25:58] | iamlindoro: | Yep, 100% |
| [03:26:07] | strex: | agreed. |
| [03:26:17] | iamlindoro: | by which I mean it's 100% encrypted |
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| [03:27:27] | ** cesman ponders running out to Frys before they close ** | |
| [03:28:05] | strex: | lol |
| [03:28:11] | strex: | DOn't Do it.. |
| [03:28:56] | strex: | Fry's + Credit Card == bad |
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| [03:30:45] | ** strex imagines writing a Growl plugin for Myth.. ** | |
| [03:31:15] | ** fryfrog imagines having 100 love slaves ** | |
| [03:31:23] | fryfrog: | i mean, if i'm going to imagine... why not go big? |
| [03:32:28] | strex: | fryfrog, castle anthrax.. |
| [03:32:29] | strex: | ? |
| [03:32:31] | Dagmar: | EXACTLY |
| [03:32:58] | cesman: | strex: I go in get what I need and I'm gone |
| [03:33:07] | cesman: | after standing in line ;) |
| [03:33:16] | fryfrog: | i wasn't very impressed with frys :/ |
| [03:33:23] | fryfrog: | everything was more expensive than newegg |
| [03:33:47] | strex: | cesman, that don't work for me.. OoOo.. 52" LCD, OoOoO.. 1Tb HDD.. etc.. |
| [03:33:51] | fryfrog: | i ended up only getting cases, and only because with shipping it'd *finally* be cheaper. |
| [03:34:25] | strex: | I really really hate fry's.. |
| [03:34:58] | strex: | I acutally used to work there, which is part of why I hate it so much. |
| [03:35:50] | cesman: | lol |
| [03:36:08] | strex: | For instance, and Item has to be returned 5 times before they send it back to the manufacturer. |
| [03:36:22] | Dagmar: | You can put a stop to that |
| [03:36:36] | Dagmar: | It's flat out illegal for them to sell a returned item as new. |
| [03:36:45] | strex: | But they do.. |
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| [03:36:55] | strex: | Look for the square sticker. |
| [03:36:58] | Dagmar: | Cuz ya'll are all dupes who don't know to file a complaint. |
| [03:37:17] | strex: | I have, try it.. |
| [03:37:21] | strex: | see where it gets y. |
| [03:37:22] | strex: | a |
| [03:37:36] | Dagmar: | I have a better solution. |
| [03:37:36] | ** cesman wonders who "ya'll" are... ** | |
| [03:37:39] | Dagmar: | I don't buy a dammn thing from Fry's |
| [03:38:23] | strex: | I don't unless I need it NOW, as in before xyz crashed and I didn't get the replacement part in the mail. Other than that, I don't go there.. |
| [03:39:05] | HaraDragon: | good god I have a headache |
| [03:39:18] | strex: | oxy? |
| [03:39:41] | strex: | lol, j/k |
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| [03:47:04] | Amun: | I've been looking around, are there any embeddable mythtv installations? Something like freenas,m0n0wall,etc etc. Hopeing to get a small install, instead of installing a complete OS + mythtv |
| [03:47:50] | strex: | Amun, other than a diskless frountend I don't think so.. |
| [03:48:32] | Amun: | dang. that would be nice to have though |
| [03:48:54] | Amun: | so, in users experience, is running ubuntu 8.04 (hardy heron) + mythtv reliable? or should i go with another OS ? |
| [03:48:54] | GreyFoxx: | depends onwhat you are looking to run it on really |
| [03:49:10] | Amun: | doesnt matter. something small i can put on this old 1ghz 512mb ram box i got laying around |
| [03:49:12] | GreyFoxx: | I use to have it running on slax in 156meg of space total |
| [03:49:20] | GreyFoxx: | but that was jsut cause I was bored |
| [03:49:35] | Dagmar: | Ubuntu will be fine |
| [03:49:39] | strex: | GreyFoxx, lol |
| [03:49:45] | GreyFoxx: | I dont see any reason to minimize on the OS install considering the size of the recordingfs themselves dwarf the OS :) |
| [03:50:32] | strex: | Amun, unless you feel up to doing some kind of a custom gentoo install, but it probably isn't worth it. |
| [03:50:54] | Amun: | k. i was thinking a streamlined install like m0n0wall/freenas is. |
| [03:51:08] | Amun: | can i post a link? |
| [03:51:33] | cesman: | Amun: KnoppMyth |
| [03:51:34] | strex: | Amun, sounds great to me, but the overhead of something like that is huge, |
| [03:52:09] | Amun: | i have a hauppage 44801 (using conexant fusion 878a chipset). i do believe it has onboard decoder |
| [03:52:17] | Amun: | is the 44801 compatible? |
| [03:52:26] | strex: | google.. :p |
| [03:52:34] | ** strex has no idea. ** | |
| [03:52:54] | HaraDragon: | I think I'm going to go buy a cheap surround sound tomorrow |
| [03:53:23] | strex: | as far as I know, (I could be wrong) most hauppage cards have encoders, but not decoders.. |
| [03:53:46] | strex: | HaraDragon, S/Pdif ftw.. mine rocks.. |
| [03:54:04] | fryfrog: | strex: quite true, a decoder is a bit rare |
| [03:54:22] | fryfrog: | PVR350 only one *i* know of, but maybe there are more (not many, i imagine) |
| [03:55:02] | Amun: | i just wanna make sure this card is compatible |
| [03:55:07] | strex: | Amun, most Hauppage cards have onboard encoders, which is really nice because it offloads the job to the card, and not your CPU, but decoders are rare.. |
| [03:55:24] | Amun: | with no EXTRA setup |
| [03:55:25] | fryfrog: | Amun: i don't recognie it, so it probably is some crappy bit banger |
| [03:55:33] | Amun: | dang. |
| [03:55:38] | fryfrog: | maybe good for testing, but probably worth replacing with a PVR150 |
| [03:55:58] | strex: | Amun, throw it in a linux box with a newer kernel and boot it up, then check dmesg is the only way to be sure. |
| [03:56:03] | Amun: | it matches the look of the pvr150 though. with the single rca video, tv connection, and line-in audio |
| [03:56:11] | Amun: | and a line-out |
| [03:56:17] | fryfrog: | yeah, so does pretty much every tv in card :p |
| [03:56:37] | Amun: | i meant as far as what the card looks like compared to the pvr150 (exact match) |
| [03:56:37] | fryfrog: | its whats on the pcb that matters, not the connectors |
| [03:56:37] | strex: | fryfrog, agreed, I've got 2x150's in my be |
| [03:56:37] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: He already said the magic phrase... "878a chipset" |
| [03:56:42] | Dagmar: | Meaning it's another crappy framegrabber. |
| [03:56:49] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [03:57:15] | Dagmar: | Amun: Except that being a framegrabber card, you get to supply it with 1.2Ghz of power *minimum* |
| [03:57:26] | strex: | the chipset makes the difference, who cares who makes it.... |
| [03:57:27] | Dagmar: | ...and it kills kittens. |
| [03:57:46] | strex: | and verys small rocks. |
| [03:57:49] | fryfrog: | i thought that was masterbation? :/ |
| [03:58:00] | fryfrog: | i'm finally off the hook!? |
| [03:58:06] | Amun: | so, framegrabber cards suck ass, and i need ATLEAST a 1.2ghz machine? |
| [03:58:07] | Dagmar: | http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evild . . . enkiller.jpg |
| [03:58:22] | Amun: | well, its a 1ghz machine, so i think it SHOULD suffice. |
| [03:58:23] | strex: | Amun, is this just a frountedn? |
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| [03:58:26] | Dagmar: | Amun: Considering your *CPU* is what winds up having to encode the video? Yes. |
| [03:58:27] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [03:58:30] | Dagmar: | What did I JUST say |
| [03:58:34] | Dagmar: | 1.2Ghz MINIMUM |
| [03:58:40] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar: Funnier still when you knew juski and it was when he was still called juski :) |
| [03:58:46] | fryfrog: | ahhah |
| [03:58:50] | strex: | Dagmar, wait a sec.. |
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| [03:58:56] | fryfrog: | i always wondered why he wanted kittens :/ |
| [03:58:58] | Dagmar: | There's these two little symbols you were taught about in elementary school math class. |
| [03:59:03] | Dagmar: | ">" and "<". |
| [03:59:09] | Amun: | in my experience, 1ghz and 1.2ghz isnt that MUCH of a difference (200mhz, says the doctor). i *THINK* it should suffice. |
| [03:59:09] | Dagmar: | 1.2 < 1.0 |
| [03:59:11] | strex: | Dagmar, if he's got a Happaug.. card it should have an onboard encoder.. |
| [03:59:21] | fryfrog: | Amun: if you want to *test* mythtv and see what it is like, that card will work. |
| [03:59:30] | fryfrog: | but to use it for real, it will not be so great |
| [03:59:30] | Dagmar: | strex: Dude, I have NINE freaking 8x8 chipset cards. |
| [03:59:33] | Amun: | thanks fryfrog. thats all i needed to know. |
| [03:59:41] | strex: | thus the cpu isn't that different, it's only used for decoding, not encoding. |
| [03:59:41] | fryfrog: | strex: not true, not all haupage cards have mpeg2 encoders |
| [03:59:47] | Dagmar: | Not a damn one of them has an encoder on it, and *yes* two of them were made by Hauppauge |
| [04:00:01] | Amun: | this card has onboard decoder, not encoder. |
| [04:00:10] | Dagmar: | Brooktree made the 848, 878, and 878a. None of these chips do encoding. |
| [04:00:23] | Dagmar: | ALl they do is take the signal and copy the frames into a region of memory. |
| [04:00:24] | fryfrog: | Amun: you are saying it has tv *output* ? i doubt that :/ |
| [04:00:27] | strex: | fryfrog, your' probably right, but I've only encountered one's that do. (I could be wrong). |
| [04:00:49] | iamlindoro: | He's definitely right, Hauppauge made frame grabbers for a LONG time |
| [04:00:52] | Dagmar: | I see the problem now. I type "1.2 < 1.0" and no one even bats an eye. |
| [04:00:57] | iamlindoro: | ie the WinTV, the WinTV radio, etc. |
| [04:01:22] | strex: | Amun, if it's a decoder, then the CPU will have to 'encode' the signal, unless this is just a frountend, and not a backend. |
| [04:01:40] | iamlindoro: | And a TV card with a decoder but no encoder doesn't make any sense, I am highly suspicious |
| [04:01:41] | Amun: | wait wait |
| [04:01:52] | fryfrog: | maybe we should clarify what "encoder" and "decoder" mean |
| [04:01:56] | strex: | iamlindoro, me to. |
| [04:01:58] | iamlindoro: | s/clarify/teach/ |
| [04:02:02] | Amun: | i dont know crap about mythtv... frontend? backend? are we talking server/client, or frontend card, backend card? |
| [04:02:04] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Oh, just smack yourself in the head with something heavy and it'll all become clear. |
| [04:02:12] | fryfrog: | on a tv card, an "encoder" is an mpeg2 chip that turns the incoming signal into an mpeg2 stream, taking all the work off the cpu |
| [04:02:23] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar: Well it is friday night, and that *is* how I party |
| [04:02:29] | Dagmar: | Amun: Read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview |
| [04:02:33] | Dagmar: | It'll clear all that right up |
| [04:02:34] | Amun: | thanks. |
| [04:02:37] | strex: | Amun, the box your talking about building, will it be used to encode video? |
| [04:02:39] | fryfrog: | on a rare *few* ( i only know of one ) you can have an mpeg2 "decoder" chip that can send mpeg2 video to a TV |
| [04:02:45] | strex: | Dagmar, thanks. |
| [04:02:52] | fryfrog: | specifically, the PVR350 is the only one I know of |
| [04:02:52] | Amun: | strex: yes. im only building 1 box. |
| [04:03:11] | iamlindoro: | All of the "full featured" DVB-S cards have MPEG-2 decoders also |
| [04:03:14] | fryfrog: | unless you count those *old* cards back from when a CPU couldn't handle the work of playing a DVD |
| [04:03:24] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro: they do TV output? |
| [04:03:27] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [04:03:31] | fryfrog: | neat |
| [04:03:49] | fryfrog: | is it because the stream is already mpeg2 and thowring on a decoder is cheap but lets them charge more? |
| [04:04:25] | Amun: | ok sorry guys. |
| [04:04:25] | strex: | Amun, than you'lll need something to encode the video, It's either going to be done on the tuner card, or it's going to be done by the CPU, if it's done by the CPU it should probably be more than 1.2, imho.. |
| [04:04:34] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog: I'm not sure-- all anyone makes now are "budget" DVB-S cards without them |
| [04:04:53] | Amun: | well, basically, the mysql server and the backend will be on the server. the frontend will be this machine. |
| [04:04:55] | iamlindoro: | But the ones they call "full featured" are still floating around |
| [04:04:59] | Dagmar: | The closer you are to that minimum CPU power requirement, the greater the chance that virtually anything will "distract" the CPU and cause it to drop frames. |
| [04:05:03] | Amun: | but i can install mysql on this machine. |
| [04:05:33] | ** strex is using 2xpvr150's and has a 2.4ghz box it it works great.. (for comparision)... ** | |
| [04:06:09] | strex: | Amun, think CPU power, and HDD Space.. |
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| [04:06:47] | Amun: | do i need a tuner card on the frontend and backend, or only on the backend? |
| [04:07:00] | fryfrog: | Amun: only the backend |
| [04:07:10] | Amun: | how does the frontend connect to the backend? |
| [04:07:13] | Dagmar: | Amun: Read that URL. |
| [04:07:13] | fryfrog: | Amun: again, for testing you will be fine if that card works in linux |
| [04:07:32] | fryfrog: | Amun: TCP/IP over Carrier Pidgeon |
| [04:07:35] | Amun: | Dagmar: i am. slowly. you guys keep setting off my highlight ;p |
| [04:07:46] | strex: | Amun, network.. |
| [04:07:58] | Amun: | er. what im asking is |
| [04:07:59] | iamlindoro: | Two tin cans and a taut string |
| [04:08:14] | Amun: | this machine is windows. will i still be able to have it as a backend? |
| [04:08:30] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [04:08:32] | fryfrog: | I used to do 4x PVR250 on an AMD 1600+ XP CPU, those are tv cards with mpeg2 encoders on them. It'd never have worked with a bit banger. |
| [04:08:32] | Dagmar: | How long it will take us to find you and skin you alive? |
| [04:08:43] | Amun: | err |
| [04:08:45] | Amun: | fudge |
| [04:08:48] | Amun: | i didnt mean backend |
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| [04:08:50] | Amun: | i meant frontend |
| [04:08:56] | iamlindoro: | still basically nope |
| [04:08:57] | Dagmar: | Does. Not. MAtter. |
| [04:09:09] | Dagmar: | All your questions are already answered on that URL. |
| [04:09:25] | iamlindoro: | There is a super-not-even-alpha windows port that is positively crashtastic from what I hear, not good for, whattayacallit, actual use |
| [04:09:55] | Dagmar: | Seriously man, this is exactly *why* I put that page together... To eliminate all the time it takes to get up to speed on how this mess functions. |
| [04:10:11] | Dagmar: | There's even a picture featuring small words and bright colors. |
| [04:10:14] | Lynet: | If the frontend box is beefy you could perhaps run Linux/Mythtv-frontend inside VMware/virtualbox. |
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| [04:10:37] | Amun: | well |
| [04:10:50] | Amun: | stop setting off my highlight, and i wouldnt ask dumb question. let me read the dang thing ;) |
| [04:11:04] | Dagmar: | Excuses, excuses. I've not set off anyone's highlight. |
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| [04:16:11] | Amun: | well |
| [04:16:41] | Amun: | between you and fryfrog, you guys are tied with hitting my highlight the most ;p |
| [04:17:00] | Dagmar: | There's still the "skin you alive" option. |
| [04:17:37] | Dagmar: | We only want what's best for you, although we'll take a nice set of human skin slipcovers for our remotes as a close second. |
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| [04:23:47] | dustybin: | nothing like a completely broken gentoo to get stuck into first thing in the morning |
| [04:24:46] | Dagmar: | Count your blessings. |
| [04:24:52] | Dagmar: | It could be a SCO UNIX machine. |
| [04:26:54] | dustybin: | imagine how cool it would of been if i was in the Berkley University in Calfornia in the early nineties |
| [04:27:22] | iamlindoro: | Yes, then you would have known to call it UC Berkeley ;) |
| [04:27:29] | iamlindoro: | or just "Berkeley" |
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| [04:27:44] | dustybin: | i bet there was geeks in all shapes and sizes at that place |
| [04:28:54] | iamlindoro: | There still are |
| [04:28:59] | iamlindoro: | and always will be |
| [04:29:12] | dustybin: | aye :-) |
| [04:29:28] | iamlindoro: | So long as by all sizes you mean "XL or greater" |
| [04:29:35] | dustybin: | lol |
| [04:30:04] | iamlindoro: | and by all shapes you mean "Spherical" |
| [04:30:35] | dustybin: | i think body odour and beards and bad taste in clothing were common place |
| [04:33:08] | strex: | oh, and don't forget the true hermits.. |
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| [04:33:45] | strex: | knew a *nix geek a while back that didn't shave, like ever and drove a pink moped.. |
| [04:34:01] | dustybin: | lol |
| [04:34:35] | strex: | he didn't shower either, and you wouldn't know until he took off his (static restiant) smok. |
| [04:34:41] | dustybin: | LOL |
| [04:34:55] | dustybin: | no social skills |
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| [04:35:15] | HaraDragon: | thought of something else while I was working on one of my boxes... |
| [04:35:20] | strex: | then he got hired by Compaq as an engineer and I never saw him again (thank god). |
| [04:35:34] | strex: | HaraDragon, oh No.. |
| [04:35:35] | HaraDragon: | is it possible to hide files from mythtv (when connected to a RO windows share)? |
| [04:35:52] | strex: | probably.. |
| [04:35:56] | HaraDragon: | I've got a few extra files in each movie dir |
| [04:36:07] | HaraDragon: | a text file and a few other things |
| [04:36:11] | strex: | it's quite easy to hide files when mounting and unmounting things. |
| [04:36:26] | HaraDragon: | all I want to see is the folder.jpg and the movie |
| [04:36:45] | HaraDragon: | strex: I know I can unmount and no one can see anything... but that's a bit excessive. :-) |
| [04:36:48] | Dagmar: | HaraDragon: Move your porn to a different folder. |
| [04:37:01] | HaraDragon: | I didn't know if the mythtv database was populated, then the frontend pulled a file list fromthat |
| [04:37:06] | strex: | Dagmar, ROLF |
| [04:37:10] | HaraDragon: | Dagmar; funny guy... |
| [04:37:17] | HaraDragon: | I don't mind if my porn is visible. |
| [04:37:20] | HaraDragon: | I'm proud of my porn |
| [04:37:40] | strex: | I'm sure the kids are too......... :p |
| [04:37:43] | Dagmar: | There's a reason MythVideo only looks at certain file types and ignores everything else, man. |
| [04:38:18] | Dagmar: | If you're worried about JPG images appearing in the list of videos, you can stop worrying. It will only show all files if you tell it to do so for *one* of the views. |
| [04:38:30] | ** strex wishes htaccess worked with mythtv.. ** | |
| [04:38:41] | Dagmar: | htaccess works with it fine. |
| [04:38:48] | Dagmar: | He's mounting a windows share on a windows box tho. |
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| [04:39:52] | ** strex and windows don't get along too well. ** | |
| [04:40:25] | HaraDragon: | strex: I don't have my second TB drive yet.. so I can't move data then format |
| [04:40:31] | HaraDragon: | until then, I'm stuck w/ windows |
| [04:41:07] | strex: | HaraDragon, I would be there with a 12pack and a stack of dvdr's.. |
| [04:42:24] | dustybin: | when i eventually go HD, im planning on using 4 x 1TB disks, how would one link all the partitions to create 1 big partition for mythtv? am i right in thinking that i would need to use LVM ? |
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| [04:42:34] | ** strex wishes mythweather would use weatherunderground as a source.. ** | |
| [04:42:47] | Lynet: | dustybin: Raid and/or lvm. |
| [04:42:51] | GreyFoxx: | dust: LVM or raid |
| [04:42:54] | strex: | RAID |
| [04:43:05] | dustybin: | what RAID ? |
| [04:43:19] | Lynet: | The inexpensive redundand kind. |
| [04:43:23] | strex: | well.. what do you want? |
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| [04:43:35] | dustybin: | strex: i dont want to backup anything |
| [04:43:35] | strex: | Lynet, lol. |
| [04:43:39] | GreyFoxx: | I use raid5 myself |
| [04:43:41] | dustybin: | i want 4TB of space for recordings |
| [04:43:56] | dustybin: | i dont care if i lose some crap TV |
| [04:43:59] | ** J-e-f-f-A uses raid5 too... 6x 500Gb – 2.4TB formatted... ** | |
| [04:44:16] | GreyFoxx: | dust: Then raid0 for you |
| [04:44:21] | GreyFoxx: | or lvm |
| [04:44:22] | dustybin: | ok |
| [04:45:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | or storage groups... that way if you lose one drive, you don't lose everything... |
| [04:45:37] | GreyFoxx: | true, if you don't need a single drive storage groups would work |
| [04:45:42] | ** strex would just make a NAS connected via eSATA.. ** | |
| [04:45:46] | dustybin: | RAID 0 disks faster than LVM ? |
| [04:45:55] | GreyFoxx: | *shrug* |
| [04:46:12] | strex: | dustybin, that's probably the debate of the year.. |
| [04:46:56] | strex: | but it depends, do you have a HW raid card, or are you using softRAID, or softLVM? |
| [04:47:19] | dustybin: | strex: i havent thought about that yet, i dont have anything |
| [04:47:23] | Dagmar: | "What is the speed of an unladen holy war?"" |
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| [04:47:43] | dustybin: | Dagmar: 960mbits/s |
| [04:47:44] | strex: | Dagmar, "--' |
| [04:48:11] | Dagmar: | strex: Such arguments about which is faster is generally the sort of crap people who don't actually know what they're talking about will argue and scream about for hours on end. |
| [04:48:15] | strex: | dustybin, what is your end goal.. |
| [04:48:16] | Dagmar: | Hence, "Holy War" topic |
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| [04:48:35] | dustybin: | the good thing about RAID 0, the disks will get evenly used, i think LVM just builds up until 1 disk is full then goes onto the next disk |
| [04:48:51] | Dagmar: | Another great example are the people screaming "Intel is faster than AMD. OMG how can you think otherwise!" |
| [04:48:52] | strex: | Dagmar, sorry, linux sys admin here... :p |
| [04:49:42] | Dagmar: | Well, it was also half a Monty Python reference |
| [04:49:50] | strex: | lol.. |
| [04:49:59] | Dagmar: | Remember the long and drawn out and utterly pointless argument about which swallow was faster |
| [04:50:00] | strex: | dustybin, agreed. |
| [04:50:15] | dustybin: | strex: i think RAID 0 is the way to go |
| [04:51:13] | dustybin: | but then again, hard drives are so cheap, maybe i should buy a extra one and use a different RAID configuration |
| [04:51:15] | strex: | dustybin, for what he's got.. (no hw raid) I agree. |
| [04:52:35] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx raid5 sounds good: |
| [04:52:38] | dustybin: | "Striped set with distributed parity. Distributed parity requires all drives but one to be present to operate; drive failure requires replacement, but the array is not destroyed by a single drive failure." |
| [04:52:42] | dustybin: | that is ideal |
| [04:52:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Micro center has a WD 1TB drive on sale for $159... |
| [04:53:07] | Kazan: | i want 4 :P |
| [04:53:16] | strex: | dustybin, I agree, but he isn't worried about falure.. so.. |
| [04:53:36] | dustybin: | strex: if he isnt worried about failure then he is wasting 1 hard drive worth of space |
| [04:53:44] | dustybin: | and he should be using RAID0 |
| [04:54:09] | strex: | dustybin, that's what I'm saying.. |
| [04:54:23] | dustybin: | oh i see |
| [04:55:30] | dustybin: | in this age of HD what takes up a shit load of space, i think every home now needs a special SAN / NAS box |
| [04:55:58] | strex: | dustybin, I entirelly agree. |
| [05:02:35] | Dagmar: | Mine doesn't, but I'm working on it. |
| [05:02:39] | Dagmar: | Should be done by Monday. |
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| [05:08:06] | fryfrog: | it won't be long until 1TB drives drop down to the magical ~$100 range |
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| [05:08:25] | fryfrog: | then I can replace 8x 320G with what... 4x 1TB and *still* end up with more room :) |
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| [05:10:06] | fryfrog: | So I have a dual xeon workstation motherboard (Asus PC-DL Deluxe), 4x 2.4GHz Xeon CPUs and some 1GB of RAM that I'm thinking of selling. Anyone interested? I'd also be open to hardware swappage. |
| [05:10:31] | fryfrog: | (it only takes 2 chips, the other 2 are spares) |
| [05:11:05] | mchou: | fryfrog, seriously, try craigslist |
| [05:11:20] | mchou: | no point in shipping a system |
| [05:11:41] | fryfrog: | it isn't a system, just mb/cpu/ram |
| [05:11:49] | fryfrog: | (no case/psu/etc) |
| [05:12:03] | mchou: | that's virtually the same thing |
| [05:12:13] | fryfrog: | if i put it on CL, i'll probably try and get what it is worth :) |
| [05:12:26] | mchou: | sell locally first |
| [05:12:27] | fryfrog: | for shipping, i'd disagree |
| [05:13:02] | mchou: | lemme put it this way, how much would you charge someone for shipping that? |
| [05:13:10] | fryfrog: | how ever much it cost me |
| [05:13:11] | mchou: | $10? |
| [05:13:16] | mchou: | Z$15? |
| [05:13:20] | fryfrog: | i dunno |
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| [05:13:25] | fryfrog: | sounds close/reasonable |
| [05:13:49] | mchou: | fryfrog: point is ppl can put that $15 in a new system and come out ahead :) |
| [05:14:48] | mchou: | especially now that you're in CA :) |
| [05:15:02] | mchou: | where computers are plentiful |
| [05:15:18] | fryfrog: | krikey, i think I might have been over valuing it all too :) |
| [05:15:18] | mchou: | trip down to frys to pick up coke :) |
| [05:16:15] | mchou: | older systems don't hold value well |
| [05:17:08] | mchou: | of course $15 buys you 3 gallons of gas in CA :) |
| [05:17:19] | robbins61: | that's bull shit. |
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| [05:37:07] | fryfrog: | Anyone interested in a PVR500 and/or air2pc ATSC/QAM cards? |
| [05:37:28] | mchou: | lol |
| [05:37:40] | fryfrog: | CL suggestion taken for the other bits btw :) |
| [05:37:54] | mchou: | fryfrog: dude, you pimping now for your CA mortgage? :) |
| [05:38:03] | mchou: | lol |
| [05:38:43] | mchou: | gotta hawk all your bits to pay that CA mortgage |
| [05:39:23] | fryfrog: | no way, coudln't even afford a mortgage out here :) |
| [05:39:30] | mchou: | haha.... |
| [05:39:38] | fryfrog: | just tired of all this junk around |
| [05:39:52] | mchou: | fryfrog: you're lucky you didnt come here 2+ yrs. ago |
| [05:39:56] | fryfrog: | at the very least, those two cards are going to be *way* more popular here :p |
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| [05:41:26] | mchou: | fryfrog: you been to frys lately? |
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| [05:42:01] | fryfrog: | just to buy a case |
| [05:42:02] | fryfrog: | why? |
| [05:42:03] | mchou: | fryfrog: frys is selling Hauppage 1200 for $60 |
| [05:42:09] | fryfrog: | wow |
| [05:42:13] | fryfrog: | the 1200 is what? |
| [05:42:18] | fryfrog: | an HD tuner w/ SD? |
| [05:42:26] | mchou: | PCI-E ASTC/QAM |
| [05:42:33] | fryfrog: | oh, nice pci-e |
| [05:42:36] | fryfrog: | someone is finally using it |
| [05:42:39] | mchou: | lol |
| [05:42:42] | fryfrog: | work in linux/myth? |
| [05:42:52] | mchou: | and the usb version was $5 more |
| [05:43:20] | mchou: | dunno, but I'm sure there will be linux suuport soon if it doesnt work already |
| [05:43:26] | mchou: | support* |
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| [05:43:40] | fryfrog: | i wish that hd-pvr usb do-hickey wasn't $250 :/ |
| [05:43:51] | mchou: | what?? |
| [05:44:02] | fryfrog: | the haupage thing that does component in? |
| [05:44:04] | mchou: | who is charging $250? |
| [05:44:09] | mchou: | oh |
| [05:44:18] | mchou: | yeah. component in |
| [05:44:26] | fryfrog: | it is $250 from haupage, you seen it for less? |
| [05:44:42] | mchou: | no, I wasn't looking for it really |
| [05:44:46] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [05:45:06] | fryfrog: | though now that i've switched to 4200+ X2 my firewire has been going pretty well |
| [05:45:11] | mchou: | the pvr-usb doesnt do QAM, iirc |
| [05:45:53] | mchou: | if that's really the case it's a non starter for me anyways |
| [05:46:08] | fryfrog: | pvr-usb or do you mean hd-pvr? |
| [05:46:26] | mchou: | the HD version for USB |
| [05:46:33] | mchou: | whatever it's called now |
| [05:47:12] | fryfrog: | well, the "hd-pvr" thing is *just* component input |
| [05:47:20] | fryfrog: | so it doesn't do ATSC/QAM or anything like that |
| [05:47:27] | fryfrog: | just component -> h264 |
| [05:47:36] | mchou: | even more useless :) |
| [05:47:39] | mchou: | lol |
| [05:47:40] | fryfrog: | no wai! |
| [05:47:44] | mchou: | j/k |
| [05:47:48] | fryfrog: | hahah |
| [05:47:57] | fryfrog: | now i *could* move to satalite if i wanted :) |
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| [05:48:05] | fryfrog: | but for $250, that is *really* steep for what it does |
| [05:48:10] | fryfrog: | i'm sure it'll drop |
| [05:48:16] | fryfrog: | and i really wish it was internal, pci-e maybe |
| [05:48:25] | mchou: | nah |
| [05:48:39] | mchou: | usb is ok as long as usb bus isnt buggy |
| [05:48:57] | mchou: | pci-e is a waste |
| [05:49:07] | mchou: | I mean for a HD card |
| [05:49:12] | fryfrog: | i just don't want it outside |
| [05:49:19] | fryfrog: | not that it *needs* anything more than usb |
| [05:49:41] | fryfrog: | hell, usb 1.1 is good enough bandwidth i think |
| [05:49:58] | mchou: | fryfrog: no, I dont think 1.1. is enough |
| [05:51:05] | fryfrog: | no? |
| [05:51:11] | fryfrog: | 420mbit is usb2 |
| [05:51:15] | fryfrog: | i forget what usb1 |
| [05:51:17] | fryfrog: | is |
| [05:51:51] | fryfrog: | i know it isn't enough for 100mbit or 1000mbit network cards |
| [05:52:11] | fryfrog: | ah, 2 is 480mbit |
| [05:53:17] | fryfrog: | i couldn't find it before i stopped caring, so i'll agree with you |
| [05:58:16] | Lynet: | usb1.1 is sorta dirt slow. |
| [05:58:38] | Lynet: | And 2 is "480mbps" in name only. |
| [05:59:36] | fryfrog: | yeah, but HD is like 19mbit |
| [06:00:03] | fryfrog: | so even if usb2 was 480mbit/2 (for realistics) it'd still be way plenty |
| [06:00:41] | Lynet: | Yeah. While usb1.1 "Full-Speed" would be painful. 12mbps. |
| [06:01:50] | fryfrog: | krikey, is that what usb1.1 is? |
| [06:01:53] | fryfrog: | yeah, wouldn't work :) |
| [06:03:01] | Lynet: | Too bad firewire isn't used more. It is a much better standard for stuff like this. |
| [06:03:24] | fryfrog: | for *that* it is way overkill / silly |
| [06:03:35] | fryfrog: | usb has a *far* higher install base |
| [06:04:02] | fryfrog: | and my opinion of firewire + linux is pretty low, mainly due to crappy cable boxes |
| [06:04:20] | mchou: | huh??? |
| [06:04:33] | Lynet: | Usb is horribly heavy on cpu. Firewire can dma directly from device to ram. |
| [06:04:38] | mchou: | which crappy cable box you used? |
| [06:04:52] | fryfrog: | Right now, DCH-3200 I believe |
| [06:05:07] | fryfrog: | previously, DCT-6412s I think |
| [06:05:39] | fryfrog: | a good number of recordings work, but i still get to many "B" (0 size) recordings :/ |
| [06:05:40] | mchou: | DCT-6200 is a fine box as far as firewire is concerned |
| [06:05:42] | mchou: | :) |
| [06:06:01] | mchou: | accept no substitutes |
| [06:06:10] | fryfrog: | i didn't get those when i went to the cable office, i wonder if they have any |
| [06:06:52] | mchou: | if you get 0 leng recordings most likely your firewire stack is out of sync versionwise |
| [06:07:01] | mchou: | length* |
| [06:07:09] | fryfrog: | mchou: in what way? |
| [06:07:25] | mchou: | all the libs have to be in sync |
| [06:07:27] | fryfrog: | I'm using Ubuntu 8.04, all up to date |
| [06:07:31] | mchou: | nono |
| [06:07:37] | fryfrog: | ? |
| [06:07:46] | mchou: | that's not what I'm referring to |
| [06:08:06] | fryfrog: | what do you mean then? |
| [06:08:11] | mchou: | libiec libraw etc. all have to be in sync |
| [06:08:19] | fryfrog: | version wise? |
| [06:08:31] | fryfrog: | or ... er... pgrogramatically? |
| [06:08:35] | fryfrog: | that doesn't make sense :) |
| [06:08:47] | fryfrog: | umm, like modules loaded at the same time, all having the same info? |
| [06:08:59] | mchou: | not not same exact version NUMBERING.....but the same RELEASE |
| [06:09:37] | mchou: | cause there are serious side effects |
| [06:09:42] | fryfrog: | any idea how to tell? |
| [06:09:50] | mchou: | if the libs are out of sync |
| [06:09:50] | fryfrog: | modinfo or maybe package versions? |
| [06:10:06] | hadees: | can anyone recommend a small case, for a bed room, that could hold hardware capable of decoding HD |
| [06:10:34] | mchou: | hadees: you always asking the same question after all this time? |
| [06:10:56] | hadees: | mchou, huh? i never asked about this before |
| [06:11:03] | mchou: | sure you have |
| [06:11:31] | fryfrog: | libraw 1.3.0–2 |
| [06:11:31] | hadees: | i asked about HD decoding stuff but i am looking for a htpc case |
| [06:11:43] | mchou: | google "hadees small case" |
| [06:11:48] | mchou: | lol |
| [06:12:39] | fryfrog: | i can't imagine ubuntu would have any miss-matched firewire libs |
| [06:12:54] | mchou: | lol |
| [06:13:23] | mchou: | I can. it's not hard to imagine at all |
| [06:13:45] | hadees: | mchou, i went one better and searched for "hadees mythtv small case" and got nothing |
| [06:14:22] | mchou: | hadees:google indexing clearly is not complete |
| [06:14:37] | hadees: | lol, sure |
| [06:18:23] | mchou: | frigging comcast DNS |
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| [09:03:30] | Kevin_: | hi everyone, is this the right place for support in setting up a home media system (multiroom) I have no hardware yet |
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| [09:06:25] | anykey_: | yes it is, ask your question(s) ;-) |
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| [09:17:20] | fryfrog: | Kevin_: well, mainly if it is MythTV you plan on using |
| [09:21:04] | Kevin_: | fryfrog: yes I think so but other than screen shots got no idea where to start. I no linux has some hardware issues. Basically I want to make a backend server,i want file/print server, 3 or 4 tuners, masses of storage, and 5 front ends, and the ability to move rooms and continue watching or watch different things in each room |
| [09:21:57] | Kevin_: | I want to be able to access internet and othe documents from all frontend locations |
| [09:23:07] | Kevin_: | what i dont want is Vista which is what Im using right now, it uses so many resources even my keyboard cant type correctly, with the system in idle |
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| [09:44:48] | bunder: | not sure when this cropped up, but it seems my mythfilldatabase is crashing... it still seems to be working, but i see a segfault and a GP fault in dmesg |
| [09:44:51] | bunder: | any ideas? |
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| [10:02:00] | clever: | . |
| [10:04:27] | bunder: | ! |
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| [10:05:56] | clever: | @ |
| [10:07:17] | Ace2016: | ~ |
| [10:07:27] | clever: | your nick is too long:P |
| [10:08:00] | Ace2016: | ... |
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| [10:13:41] | dustybin: | clever: what are you up to this weekend? |
| [10:18:38] | clever: | camping |
| [10:20:34] | dustybin: | clever: are you going to do anything on your computers? |
| [10:20:44] | dustybin: | something 'clever' maybe? |
| [10:20:52] | clever: | just playing a game atm:P |
| [10:20:58] | dustybin: | ok.. |
| [10:21:12] | dustybin: | clever: is the frontend running on the same machine your playing the game on? |
| [10:22:28] | clever: | theres one installed |
| [10:22:37] | clever: | but mysql lags like crap over 50kbyte/sec |
| [10:22:58] | dustybin: | clever: what about compiz? |
| [10:23:23] | clever: | compiz doesnt fuss with the network:P |
| [10:23:30] | clever: | silly noobs! |
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| [11:29:25] | dramman: | Why doesn't mythtv have a menu option "Shut down" at the exit screen? How do you turn the myth box off? |
| [11:29:42] | sid3windr: | mine does |
| [11:29:47] | sid3windr: | I think. |
| [11:29:50] | sid3windr: | not sure :p |
| [11:29:57] | sid3windr: | why would you turn the myth box off? :> |
| [11:30:16] | Ace2016: | omg i actually got it working |
| [11:30:36] | Ace2016: | i have signal strength of 50% |
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| [11:31:35] | dramman: | There aren't any shows on during the night (after 12) that I'd have slightest interest in recording |
| [11:33:33] | fryfrog: | dramman: the backend can do some fun shutting down and such |
| [11:33:43] | fryfrog: | and if you have a frontend only machine, a "shutdown" option will appear |
| [11:33:57] | fryfrog: | check out some of the backend settings, you'll find places to put stuff to get it to shut down |
| [11:34:17] | fryfrog: | like, if it doesn't see any up-coming recordings for X hours, it'll set a wake up timer in your BIOS and then shut down |
| [11:34:36] | fryfrog: | if you have a couple of slave BEs, it can use WOL to wake them and can shut them down if they are idle too |
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| [11:39:05] | dramman: | I've just got a single combined FE/BE |
| [11:39:58] | fryfrog: | no worries, just poke around in the backend settings |
| [11:39:59] | dramman: | if I'm finished watching TV/DVDs whatever, and I know there's nothing I want to record, I'd like to be able to just turn it off |
| [11:40:11] | fryfrog: | i don't think you'll ever get a "shutdown now" option when you exit |
| [11:40:40] | fryfrog: | but you should be able to set it to shut down after X minutes of inactivity with Y hours until the next scheduled recording |
| [11:41:27] | dramman: | anyone know why Mythbuntu is using APM and not ACPI – and how to switch? |
| [11:41:48] | fryfrog: | nfi :/ |
| [11:41:53] | fryfrog: | how do you know which it is using? |
| [11:42:42] | dramman: | There's an error message in "dmesg" output saying that it's not SMP safe |
| [11:42:48] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [11:42:58] | fryfrog: | what kernel you using? |
| [11:43:10] | dramman: | I tried to hibernate yesterday and it didn't start back up properly |
| [11:43:43] | Ace2016: | How do i remove a storage group? |
| [11:43:51] | Ace2016: | doesn't look like the option is available |
| [11:44:19] | fryfrog: | probably hover over it and hit "M" for menu? |
| [11:44:40] | fryfrog: | or, humm how are they specified? |
| [11:44:52] | fryfrog: | in a [ ] and you seperate them with | or ;? |
| [11:45:27] | fryfrog: | from what i understand, it'll look in any storage group for files so you could probably just move all the files from a storage group then delete it from the setting |
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| [11:46:20] | Ace2016: | Thanks M worked |
| [11:47:31] | fryfrog: | a lot of place where you are like "wtf" pressing M will get you something :) |
| [11:48:25] | dramman: | fryfrog: 2.6.24–18 |
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| [11:54:00] | Ace2016: | strange, i can't get a lock onto freesat satellites but i can lock onto sky |
| [11:54:02] | Ace2016: | argh |
| [11:54:20] | dramman: | where's the source/config for mythtv located? |
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| [11:56:54] | Ace2016: | in the mysql database? |
| [11:58:42] | dramman: | I've only got one database in mysql: "information_schema" – think that belongs to mysql |
| [11:58:55] | Ace2016: | OMG IT WORKS!!! |
| [11:59:01] | Ace2016: | i got 3 channels woot!!! |
| [11:59:30] | Ace2016: | its national geographic but i don't care |
| [12:00:38] | Ace2016: | now to get channels |
| [12:01:21] | Ace2016: | say i went to the market and got a satellite dish, a big one, and left it in my room, think it'd work? |
| [12:01:47] | Ace2016: | and connected it up properly |
| [12:02:55] | Ace2016: | iamlindoro: just so you know, it was a bug in mythbuntu which was crashing mythtv whenever i tried to scan |
| [12:03:04] | Ace2016: | now i'm in mythdora |
| [12:06:30] | dustybin: | Ace2016: are you connected to 'clever' by any chance? |
| [12:08:08] | Ace2016: | huh? |
| [12:08:27] | Ace2016: | no i'm not connected to him |
| [12:11:15] | Ace2016: | anyone here use freesat in the uk, can you tell me your frequency info |
| [12:17:50] | directhex: | lyngsat.com |
| [12:18:38] | Ace2016: | i'm there, and i've got 2 channels, thats it, just 2 |
| [12:18:50] | Ace2016: | i'm here http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html |
| [12:18:58] | Ace2016: | i mean 3 channels, but i've only been able to see a picture on 1 |
| [12:21:11] | Ace2016: | ok thats it, i'm just going through the entire list regardless of what it is |
| [12:23:19] | directhex: | sigh. i shouldn't give this degree of hand-holding, but http://forums.hexus.net/1414622-post19.html |
| [12:23:28] | directhex: | might be out of date |
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| [12:37:31] | Ace2016: | i'm going to go get a new satellite dish |
| [12:37:33] | Ace2016: | brb |
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| [13:28:44] | sorush20: | hi I love you all .. kiss kiss |
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| [13:38:46] | sorush20: | what is the max number of channels that a tv tuner can have.? |
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| [13:45:07] | sorush20: | can I get a tv card that can support staellite and degital and analogue / |
| [13:45:09] | sorush20: | ? |
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| [14:13:13] | The_Plague: | morning |
| [14:13:21] | The_Plague: | need some help in myth |
| [14:13:46] | The_Plague: | i cant seem to start mythtv backend from a reboot |
| [14:13:58] | The_Plague: | always have to start manualy from a terminal |
| [14:14:03] | The_Plague: | can someone help ? |
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| [14:15:53] | tplague: | anyone home? |
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| [14:16:21] | tplague: | anyone home? |
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| [14:21:23] | sorush20: | tplague: you there |
| [14:21:59] | sorush20: | what have you done to find out what is wrong.. is there daemon that is supposed to be running .. are the config files okay.. have you upgraded recently what distro are you using/ |
| [14:23:36] | tplague: | im using mythbuntu 8.04 |
| [14:23:55] | tplague: | if i type command in terminla under root it starts |
| [14:24:20] | tplague: | but if i try under normal user i get permissions errors |
| [14:24:24] | sorush20: | apt-get purge remove it then reinstall |
| [14:24:34] | sorush20: | what perm errors |
| [14:25:30] | tplague: | rico@htpc1:~$ /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start |
| [14:25:30] | tplague: | mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/run/mythtv': Permission denied |
| [14:25:31] | |Torg|: | sudo |
| [14:25:46] | tplague: | if i try sudo asks for password |
| [14:25:49] | sorush20: | what the hell is mkdir |
| [14:25:56] | |Torg|: | creates a directory |
| [14:26:02] | sorush20: | why? |
| [14:26:05] | |Torg|: | I take it that is your start script |
| [14:26:13] | |Torg|: | to presumably write a pid file |
| [14:26:28] | tplague: | when it starts the backend it actualy creats a folder called mythtv |
| [14:26:37] | tplague: | and then runs the proccess in it |
| [14:26:42] | |Torg|: | no |
| [14:26:57] | |Torg|: | the process scheduler runs the process, the folder has nothing to do with it running |
| [14:27:01] | tplague: | yeah thats my start up script |
| [14:27:11] | |Torg|: | output from a process goes into file and buffers |
| [14:27:24] | sorush20: | you prob have to make the myth-tv-back to you user id perm |
| [14:27:27] | tplague: | well if i look for the folder it isnt there till the backend is started |
| [14:27:29] | andreax: | Crazy how bad audio cables are shielded if they labeled with "made in china"... :) |
| [14:27:33] | tplague: | then i can brows the folder |
| [14:27:35] | |Torg|: | the file /var/run/mythtv sounds like a pid file, a file containing the process id of the running mythbackend process |
| [14:28:07] | |Torg|: | typically /var/run does not exist UNTILL you run something, hence its name |
| [14:28:28] | |Torg|: | or I shoudl say the stuff in it does not exist |
| [14:28:41] | tplague: | is there a comand that i can run as SU ie: sudo -u root /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start |
| [14:28:54] | tplague: | but i dont know how to add the password in that comand |
| [14:29:13] | |Torg|: | without actually seeing that init script its difficult to say why it wants to write to that dir, but its typical it wantes to write its run state to it |
| [14:29:30] | |Torg|: | I am thinking your script in some way runs mythbacked as mythtv |
| [14:30:09] | tplague: | if i do it under su all works fine |
| [14:30:11] | tplague: | pfft |
| [14:31:52] | tplague: | my thought was that if i can run it as sudo su from comand line then i would be golden, but were or how do i add the su password in the comand line ? |
| [14:32:10] | |Torg|: | you dont, you fix the init script |
| [14:32:53] | tplague: | Torg what should i be looking for in that script ? |
| [14:33:36] | |Torg|: | how it starts it, what it starts the daemon as |
| [14:34:27] | tplague: | looks liek its mythtv |
| [14:34:34] | |Torg|: | you could create /var/run/mythttv, and make it writable by whatever user you run myth as (presumably mythtv), but that would be fixing the symtim not the problem |
| [14:34:46] | tplague: | USER=mythtv |
| [14:34:48] | tplague: | USER_HOME=$(grep ^$USER /etc/passwd | awk -F : '{print $6}') |
| [14:34:50] | tplague: | RUNDIR=/var/run/mythtv |
| [14:34:52] | tplague: | ARGS="--daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile $RUNDIR/$NAM$ |
| [14:34:54] | tplague: | EXTRA_ARGS="" |
| [14:34:56] | tplague: | NICE=0 |
| [14:36:53] | tplague: | i see were its creating the folder |
| [14:38:20] | tplague: | is there a forums i can post the entire script at for others to look at? possibly ? |
| [14:38:34] | tplague: | sorry im new to this channel so i dont know all the rules |
| [14:38:43] | |Torg|: | pastebin and this is not a mythtv question as it is as much for whatever distro you are runing |
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| [14:39:23] | sorush20: | dose mythtv have to be run like that or can it be run from gnome or kde menu? |
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| [14:40:15] | |Torg|: | mythtv has two parts, a backend and a frontend |
| [14:40:31] | |Torg|: | the backend is a daemon process and runs in the background |
| [14:40:51] | |Torg|: | the frontend is an X process and can be invoked in various ways most commonly a WM rc |
| [14:41:22] | |Torg|: | so for example you could run the BE via init and a FE via xsession, these mthods are documented on the mythtv wiki |
| [14:42:28] | tplague: | damn ..mythbuntu is great but as far as i can see it hase lousy support, at least in there forums ..not wanting to bash anyone |
| [14:42:30] | tplague: | hehe |
| [14:42:51] | |Torg|: | what you are asking is not a mythtv question again |
| [14:42:56] | |Torg|: | it is a muthbuntu question |
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| [14:44:40] | |Torg|: | try #ubuntu-mythtv |
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| [14:57:20] | ** GreyFoxx wonders why he can no longer ger djmount to work with myth's upnp server ** | |
| [14:57:42] | wagnerrp: | well i just screwed up |
| [14:57:53] | wagnerrp: | i expanded my raid array past 2TB |
| [14:58:24] | wagnerrp: | not realizing that doing so prevents me from migrating to a partitioning scheme that allowed me to use over 2TB |
| [14:58:34] | |Torg|: | dr-xr-xr-x 7 root root 512 2000-01–01 05:00 jachin: MythTV AV Media Server |
| [14:58:37] | |Torg|: | works for me |
| [14:59:58] | GreyFoxx: | Torg: Running -fixes I assume? |
| [15:00:10] | GreyFoxx: | I think this is a sideeffect of the QT4 migration in trunk |
| [15:00:36] | |Torg|: | no just switched to trunk last night for hdpvr support |
| [15:00:43] | GreyFoxx: | weird |
| [15:00:54] | GreyFoxx: | What QT version ? |
| [15:01:00] | |Torg|: | had to flush al the makefiles from trunk too |
| [15:01:24] | |Torg|: | its qt4, the old trunk code and its makefiles not cleaned had half qt3 and hallf at qt4, ugly |
| [15:01:55] | GreyFoxx: | I know, I and I know Its qt4., but which minor revision specifically :) |
| [15:02:14] | GreyFoxx: | mythbackend --version will tell you the QT details |
| [15:02:43] | |Torg|: | I know I just have to ssh into the box first :P |
| [15:02:58] | |Torg|: | QT Version : 4.3.2 |
| [15:03:06] | |Torg|: | Library API : 0.22.20080612–1 |
| [15:03:15] | |Torg|: | MythTV Version : 17507M |
| [15:03:26] | |Torg|: | yes ther eout of order, i cut and pasted them obviously |
| [15:03:58] | GreyFoxx: | thanks |
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| [15:05:19] | |Torg|: | its patched with a custom skiploopfilter and coreavc, not that it matters but in full discolsure |
| [15:05:31] | |Torg|: | I didnt patch it with my qt mysql stuff tho |
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| [15:12:15] | willcooke: | the devs are busy today |
| [15:12:23] | willcooke: | plenty of bug fixes |
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| [15:13:44] | Ace2016: | Hi all |
| [15:18:13] | |Torg|: | so why does the xbox360 fail to parse the upnp for mythbackend? |
| [15:19:36] | willcooke: | |Torg|, Has it worked in the past? I ask because recently my PS3 can't play back uPnP music, whereas it used to work fine. |
| [15:19:58] | |Torg|: | not as far as I know |
| [15:20:27] | GreyFoxx: | the 360 worked/works in 0.21and -fixes |
| [15:20:29] | |Torg|: | it will recuse the Recordings dir but does nto see any video |
| [15:20:35] | GreyFoxx: | I haven/t tested it inrecent weeks |
| [15:20:43] | |Torg|: | I can go try again to be sure |
| [15:20:54] | GreyFoxx: | Itonly works for videos |
| [15:21:11] | GreyFoxx: | But you must have the mythvideo location settowhere they are on the backend |
| [15:23:29] | |Torg|: | ahh it wont work for recordings then |
| [15:24:00] | |Torg|: | and I dotn run mythvideo on my BE, as I dont run a FE on it, but I can setup a link for it |
| [15:24:14] | GreyFoxx: | the xbox explicitly will not play mpeg2 content |
| [15:24:48] | GreyFoxx: | not via that media player |
| [15:25:11] | |Torg|: | wonderfull, how about h264+aac ts streams :) |
| [15:25:25] | willcooke: | ps3 ftw ;) |
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| [15:25:43] | GreyFoxx: | torg: I don't have any to try :) |
| [15:25:51] | GreyFoxx: | I |
| [15:25:59] | GreyFoxx: | 'd be suprised if it reads ts streams |
| [15:26:05] | |Torg|: | willcooke: I would but I hate Sony more then I hate MS |
| [15:26:17] | |Torg|: | GreyFoxx: so would I |
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| [15:29:26] | Ace2016: | i have no idea wtf just happened but my signal/noise just hit 80%, all i did was add the second dvb card, they're not connected and i'm using the first card, maybe the drivers but who knows i'm totally over the moon |
| [15:29:57] | |Torg|: | is 80% higher or lower then normal? |
| [15:30:49] | Ace2016: | normally i just get 40–50% |
| [15:30:59] | Ace2016: | oh |
| [15:31:13] | Ace2016: | maybe the second card is shielding the the tuner of the first card |
| [15:31:41] | |Torg|: | intersting did you add a powered splitter perhaps? |
| [15:31:42] | Ace2016: | hang on, what if i take the second card out and wrap the first one with tin foil so it can't be interfered with |
| [15:31:59] | Ace2016: | i'll add cling film over the foil to avoid a short |
| [15:32:16] | iamlindoro: | holy god, this will end in tears |
| [15:32:27] | Ace2016: | nope completely different cards, one is a twinhan the other is a hauppauge |
| [15:32:35] | Ace2016: | and they are not connected in any way |
| [15:33:59] | Ace2016: | i think its the shielding |
| [15:34:21] | Ace2016: | maybe its my psu, its a cheep oem 850W psu, so i guess it could be causing some interference |
| [15:34:50] | Ace2016: | either the shielding or driver issue, the driver for the second card might be using the first card instead |
| [15:35:00] | Ace2016: | they both use the same chipset |
| [15:35:48] | Ace2016: | i think they both use the same chipset, didn't research that properly |
| [15:36:28] | Ace2016: | maybe the cards take a while to heat up? |
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| [15:37:18] | oCLioN: | im gonna format my computer and install from scratch .. what is the best distro for ending up with a fully working mythtv computer ? |
| [15:37:34] | Ace2016: | oh i know |
| [15:37:36] | Ace2016: | i know |
| [15:37:47] | Ace2016: | without a doubt i have to say mythdora |
| [15:37:51] | Ace2016: | yup |
| [15:37:52] | xand: | eww |
| [15:37:57] | xand: | debian imo :p |
| [15:38:06] | Ace2016: | every time i tried to tune stupid mythbuntu crashed |
| [15:38:09] | xand: | you could use mythbuntu |
| [15:38:26] | Ace2016: | mythdora finally got it working, and i like its theme a bit more |
| [15:38:33] | iamlindoro: | oCLioN: there are as many opinions are there are people in here-- Use what you are most familiar with, and they are all the same after a point |
| [15:38:36] | xand: | you can change themes |
| [15:38:52] | iamlindoro: | Ace2016: Since you've been around for approximately five seconds, it may be a bit early to dispense advice |
| [15:38:59] | Ace2016: | :'( |
| [15:39:05] | oCLioN: | yes .. but shoud i install ubuntu first . then myth |
| [15:39:18] | Ace2016: | at least i got it working in the said amount of time without reading much of anything |
| [15:39:23] | oCLioN: | or doest the mythdora and mythbuntu work directly ? |
| [15:39:26] | Ace2016: | and a link to here http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html |
| [15:39:30] | iamlindoro: | oCLioN: That would work fine, or if you are most familiar w/ Ubuntu and want fast, Mythbuntu may be good for you |
| [15:39:57] | iamlindoro: | oCLioN: as the myth-specific distros have their own ISOs and installers |
| [15:39:58] | oCLioN: | so basicly mythbuntu is ubuntu BUT installing myth also ? |
| [15:40:20] | iamlindoro: | oCLioN: it's more or less Ubuntu + mythtv + a bunch of performance and user-interface tweaks to make it very easy |
| [15:40:36] | iamlindoro: | oCLioN: but it's automated so it's not a install Ubuntu, install Mythtv, etc. kind of thing |
| [15:40:44] | iamlindoro: | just one install and you're done |
| [15:40:55] | iamlindoro: | same goes for the other myth distros, of course |
| [15:40:56] | Ace2016: | :cough: mythdora :cough: |
| [15:41:35] | iamlindoro: | Ace2016: Stop that. You do *not* know enough about myth to be giving advice, you are 48 hours into your first mythbox. |
| [15:42:04] | oCLioN: | iamlindoro .. mythbuntu .. does that have apache and shit also ? .. so i can run some webpages me ? |
| [15:42:07] | oCLioN: | also |
| [15:42:09] | iamlindoro: | oCLioN: yes |
| [15:42:14] | Ace2016: | look, i'm only recommending a distro, and i tried both and i installed both in the same day and i think the mythdora setup was much nicer |
| [15:42:30] | iamlindoro: | oCLioN: it will automatically set up MythWeb, which includes a functional mapache install |
| [15:42:41] | Ace2016: | you know mythdora does that too |
| [15:42:44] | iamlindoro: | er apache |
| [15:43:57] | oCLioN: | ok .. then it should work fine then .. if im not thining of the fastest/easyest way .. is still mythbuntu better than ubuntu then apt-get mythtv |
| [15:44:17] | iamlindoro: | oCLioN: for a number of reasons, yes... assuming you want it to be a STB like experience |
| [15:44:39] | oCLioN: | STB `? |
| [15:45:02] | iamlindoro: | oCLioN: If you want a shared desktop-and-mythtv machine, Ubuntu then myth may work best... if you want an integrated setup, Mythbuntu installs a lighter weight window manager and sets up a lot of the maintenance scripts for you so that you can kind of "set it and forget it." |
| [15:46:22] | oCLioN: | This is what i actually want .. i want a setup . .with myth on tv .. and samba working for my internal network .. and web working for my websites |
| [15:46:47] | iamlindoro: | oCLioN: is this going to be in your computer room or your living room? |
| [15:47:47] | oCLioN: | livingroom |
| [15:47:55] | iamlindoro: | oCLioN: then Mythbuntu, no question |
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| [15:48:13] | oCLioN: | ok .. downloading . .thanks for tip ;) |
| [15:48:18] | Ace2016: | MYTHDORA has a menu for samba setup |
| [15:48:20] | Ace2016: | and nfs |
| [15:49:08] | Ace2016: | it sets up mythweb and samba, its in the mythtv menu |
| [15:49:21] | Ace2016: | oCLioN: if you fail with mythbuntu, might want to try mythdora |
| [15:49:27] | iamlindoro: | Ace2016: So does Mythbuntu/knoippmyth/etc/etc/ |
| [15:49:42] | oCLioN: | Ok ace . thanks .. |
| [15:49:51] | Ace2016: | no problem :D |
| [15:49:58] | oCLioN: | still going with ubuntu though .. because there im not a TOTAL lamer |
| [15:49:59] | |Torg|: | so does swat for that matter |
| [15:50:07] | oCLioN: | only mediet lamer |
| [15:50:19] | Ace2016: | ok well good luck |
| [15:50:24] | oCLioN: | hehe . thanks |
| [15:50:42] | oCLioN: | well . i am going from gentoo .. to ubuntu .. cant be harder than that anyhow .. |
| [15:51:39] | Ace2016: | why not install mythbuntu in gentoo |
| [15:51:50] | |Torg|: | iamlindoro: did you get the coreavc patch to work in trunk, even with a clean svn and clean coreavc co I had to fix two rej chucks by hand |
| [15:51:52] | oCLioN: | ? what ? |
| [15:51:56] | iamlindoro: | because the "buntu" implies an ubuntu, dillhole |
| [15:51:57] | oCLioN: | can i do that ? |
| [15:52:03] | Ace2016: | install mythtv in gentoo |
| [15:52:06] | oCLioN: | hehe . u almost had me |
| [15:52:07] | oCLioN: | na |
| [15:52:12] | oCLioN: | i have mythtv in my gentoo |
| [15:52:17] | iamlindoro: | |Torg|: yeah, let me point you at the patch |
| [15:52:20] | oCLioN: | but its so freakin hard to configure and fix |
| [15:52:43] | oCLioN: | freakkin flags and shit |
| [15:52:54] | |Torg|: | apt-get update |
| [15:53:27] | iamlindoro: | |Torg|: This will apply against trunk, last comment on this ticket: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3053 |
| [15:54:05] | |Torg|: | iamlindoro: thanks, im compiling with my hand patched currently, if that fails ill try the one you just posted |
| [15:55:02] | iamlindoro: | |Torg|: ok, you are welcome-- that one patches and works properly as of last night if you need it |
| [15:55:53] | |Torg|: | hmm compile with no errors does not mean does not contain bugs :) |
| [15:58:58] | Ace2016: | Is there an auto tune thing? |
| [15:59:23] | Ace2016: | for dvb-s and also try vertical and horizontal with the different sr rates? |
| [16:04:16] | |Torg|: | if your using lyngsat to get freq rates keep[ in mind lyngsat is reporting them in khz not hz, some transponders require more fine tuning then what lynsat has and you need to vary them by 500 hz at times |
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| [16:10:36] | Ace2016: | Now i have the channels showing up in the channel editor |
| [16:10:41] | Ace2016: | how do i make them show up in watchtv? |
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| [16:50:23] | noaxess_kubuntu: | hi all |
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| [16:51:09] | noaxess_kubuntu: | is it normal, that with a dvb-c card i can't scan the trough all the frequencies? |
| [16:54:13] | noaxess_kubuntu: | if i start tv in mythfrontend i get a channel lock message.. |
| [16:58:05] | noaxess_kubuntu: | any idea? |
| [16:59:37] | iamlindoro: | noaxess, you can scan for channels *if* myth has a frequency table for your location, otherwise you will need to manually insert the frequecies in the "tuned scan" or import a channels.conf |
| [16:59:54] | iamlindoro: | noaxess_kubuntu: If the channels are encrypted, without the aid of a hardware CAM they will not be tunable in mythtv |
| [17:00:04] | noaxess_kubuntu: | iamlindoro: okay.. you mean i need to fetch the freq list with eg. xmltv? |
| [17:00:10] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [17:00:22] | noaxess_kubuntu: | channels.conf? |
| [17:00:41] | iamlindoro: | noaxess_kubuntu: I don't have the time to explain all that, you have more than enough to start googling |
| [17:00:54] | PatrickDK: | heh |
| [17:01:14] | noaxess_kubuntu: | iamlindoro: just a hint.. |
| [17:01:20] | PatrickDK: | iso layer 1/2 is hard to understand though |
| [17:02:28] | iamlindoro: | noaxess_kubuntu: channels.conf, mythtv tuned scan, import channels.conf, mythtv import channels.conf, mythtv switzerland frequencies, mythtv switzerland dvb-c |
| [17:02:33] | iamlindoro: | These are the things I would be googling |
| [17:02:44] | iamlindoro: | now off to do errands |
| [17:04:28] | noaxess_kubuntu: | iamlindoro: okay.. thanks a lot |
| [17:06:08] | iamlindoro: | noaxess_kubuntu: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3640 |
| [17:06:12] | iamlindoro: | your cable system is broken |
| [17:06:22] | iamlindoro: | you will need to patch mythtv and recompile to use it |
| [17:06:32] | iamlindoro: | and tell your cable company to stop fucking around |
| [17:08:04] | iamlindoro: | specifically, with this patch: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . viders1.diff |
| [17:08:55] | noaxess_kubuntu: | iamlindoro: hm.. i'm in switzerland an has asked the provider about dvb-c over cable.. sould be no problem |
| [17:09:08] | noaxess_kubuntu: | i just need the channels.conf for switzerland.. |
| [17:09:13] | noaxess_kubuntu: | searching around :) |
| [17:09:14] | iamlindoro: | noaxess_kubuntu: no |
| [17:09:16] | iamlindoro: | you don't |
| [17:09:21] | noaxess_kubuntu: | ?? |
| [17:09:22] | iamlindoro: | read the ticket |
| [17:09:38] | iamlindoro: | a channels.conf will *not* help you |
| [17:09:57] | iamlindoro: | Your cable provider is sends out a non-compliant stream |
| [17:10:03] | iamlindoro: | What company is your cable provider? |
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| [17:12:23] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, I'll not wait around for your answer, I have to go, but... quoting the ticket, "Same problem in Switzerland with Cablecom Network. When I do a channelscan without the patch I get no valid transponder frequencies." |
| [17:12:47] | iamlindoro: | If you're with cablecom or similar, you will *need* to patch MythTV to get anything. Then complain to your cable provider for not following the spec. |
| [17:13:40] | GreyFoxx: | well no wonder djmount wasnt working |
| [17:13:52] | GreyFoxx: | we're stuffing an int value into a short |
| [17:14:37] | iamlindoro: | That's what she said |
| [17:14:42] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [17:14:48] | iamlindoro: | ok, now seriously, errands |
| [17:15:26] | jduggan: | lol |
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| [17:23:06] | noaxess_kubuntu: | iamlindoro: ok thanks.. sorry.. mythtv is new for me.. and all the dvb things ;) before i had analog with winmce2005 |
| [17:25:36] | noaxess_kubuntu: | only a simple question.. is this problem only with mythtv and a dvb-c card in switzerland or is the problem still there if i use a dvb-c card with mä winmce2005 or vi$ta |
| [17:25:40] | ** justinh wonders if it was worth going to all that effort for a night that ended up being so lacklustre.. no big surprise since it was only promoted on Facebook. FFS :( ** | |
| [17:25:45] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the move to digital cable introduces an entirely new level of pain |
| [17:25:54] | noaxess_kubuntu: | dam.. |
| [17:25:55] | noaxess_kubuntu: | sorry |
| [17:26:10] | justinh: | I might not bother doing any more nights |
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| [17:26:35] | wagnerrp: | since the provider is broadcasting a non-standard stream, its likely youll have the same problem on MCE |
| [17:26:48] | noaxess_kubuntu: | wagnerrp: grrrrr.. |
| [17:27:15] | noaxess_kubuntu: | i have installed mythbuntu.. i thought .. hey cool.. a distro with all what i need.. |
| [17:27:24] | wagnerrp: | im reinstalling XP, and it popped yp with "BootSector Write !! /n VIRUS: Continue (Y/N)?" |
| [17:27:55] | noaxess_kubuntu: | now.. switch back to a analog card or patch mythtv.. |
| [17:28:06] | wagnerrp: | thats sounds rather ominous |
| [17:28:12] | wagnerrp: | patch mythtv |
| [17:28:26] | noaxess_kubuntu: | wagnerrp: have you ever patched it? |
| [17:28:49] | wagnerrp: | i guess its because im trying to install to a drive i pulled out of a raid array |
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| [17:29:09] | wagnerrp: | my cable co has decided to encrypt everything |
| [17:29:19] | wagnerrp: | so its not even worth trying to access digital cable |
| [17:29:34] | wagnerrp: | i only use mine for broadcast |
| [17:29:52] | wagnerrp: | but i have patch mythtv for other reasons in the past |
| [17:30:31] | noaxess_kubuntu: | with mythbuntu.. i think i can't reall patch it.. hm.. |
| [17:30:39] | wagnerrp: | why not |
| [17:30:47] | wagnerrp: | download the source, patch, compile, install over top |
| [17:31:03] | noaxess_kubuntu: | hm.. its a fresch install.. |
| [17:31:07] | wagnerrp: | the settings will not be overwritten |
| [17:31:14] | wagnerrp: | since thats all stored in the database |
| [17:31:33] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, the executable and library placement should all be the same |
| [17:31:35] | noaxess_kubuntu: | aha |
| [17:31:36] | noaxess_kubuntu: | . |
| [17:31:43] | wagnerrp: | and mythbuntu wont know the difference |
| [17:31:44] | noaxess_kubuntu: | need read the patch thing |
| [17:32:26] | wagnerrp: | now youre using mytbuntu, after coming from MCE... are you comfortable in linux? |
| [17:32:30] | noaxess_kubuntu: | wagnerrp: ok |
| [17:32:37] | noaxess_kubuntu: | yes.. |
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| [17:32:59] | noaxess_kubuntu: | i work on business on it.. since last november and it work really good for me |
| [17:33:44] | wagnerrp: | i mean comfortable on the command line, not just a GUI distro like kubuntu |
| [17:34:01] | Ace2016_: | Hi all |
| [17:34:03] | noaxess_kubuntu: | yeah |
| [17:34:11] | Ace2016_: | where can i write a wiki enty for say mythdora and mythtv for dvbs |
| [17:34:21] | noaxess_kubuntu: | wagnerrp: i use comandline for some thins.. |
| [17:34:24] | noaxess_kubuntu: | things |
| [17:34:33] | wagnerrp: | i would try the mythtv wiki |
| [17:34:42] | wagnerrp: | on the mythtv website |
| [17:34:54] | noaxess_kubuntu: | just be right back in a moment..... |
| [17:37:29] | TelnetManta: | I have a problem suddenly with livetv on some channels in myth. When watching a channel the audio is all digital sounding, crackly, no way to hear anything. But when watching the mpg file with mplayer for instance it sounds fine. |
| [17:37:44] | TelnetManta: | I also get the same sound watching a DVD in myth. |
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| [17:45:44] | TelnetManta: | nm |
| [17:46:12] | jduggan: | any brits notice how much better more4 broadcast quality is to any other channel? |
| [17:46:19] | jduggan: | seems even better than BBC channels |
| [17:52:25] | EvilGuru: | jduggan: I watch the odd programme on More 4 (without a trace) |
| [17:53:07] | EvilGuru: | More4 is about 1.5GB/h |
| [17:53:14] | jduggan: | i like watching grand designs |
| [17:54:15] | EvilGuru: | BBC2 is around 1.8GB/h, Five US is 800–1200MB/h (but like all of them, it varies) |
| [17:54:44] | jduggan: | i dont watch any of the five channels |
| [17:55:14] | EvilGuru: | BBC1 is 2.5GB/h |
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| [17:57:39] | jduggan: | do you know much about dvb-s? |
| [17:57:53] | EvilGuru: | Only what people have said here |
| [17:58:29] | jduggan: | do you know if there's anything to be lost or gained by using an elliptical dish |
| [17:58:45] | jduggan: | planning on buying a 60cm sky style dish |
| [17:59:24] | justinh: | sky minidishes are crap |
| [17:59:38] | jduggan: | im using the larger 60cm dish |
| [17:59:42] | justinh: | 60cm one will get you a better, more reliable signal |
| [17:59:42] | jduggan: | not the 43cm one |
| [17:59:56] | justinh: | i.e. less weather-dependant |
| [18:00:00] | jduggan: | yea |
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| [18:00:27] | jduggan: | you can get quad lnb, 60cm dish and cable from ebay for 30quid |
| [18:00:57] | jduggan: | just need to find a good deal for a card :) |
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| [18:13:22] | justinh: | try the maplin one :) |
| [18:13:52] | joomla_user: | Just take a pot from the kitchen and connect it with coaxi cable |
| [18:14:03] | justinh: | though I'd be tempted to wait until everything settles down – freesat will go dvb-s2 soon I expect |
| [18:14:14] | justinh: | at least the 'HD' services anyway |
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| [18:15:12] | S2: | justinh: is there even a supported dvb-s2 card for linux? |
| [18:15:39] | S2: | the hvr-4000 is experimental since years |
| [18:16:07] | S2: | anche the technotrend one had a lot of problems only some months ago. how is the situation now? |
| [18:19:13] | thoraxe: | you lucky euros and your in the clear satellite tv |
| [18:19:30] | S2: | :) |
| [18:19:53] | wagnerrp: | thoraxe: we get clear satellite TV over here too |
| [18:20:08] | thoraxe: | well yeah we do but it's not exactly fun or easy |
| [18:20:32] | wagnerrp: | you just need a big enough dish |
| [18:20:32] | jduggan: | will dvb-s2 require a change in LNB? |
| [18:20:34] | thoraxe: | and its not really intentional either as far as i can tell |
| [18:20:35] | jduggan: | or just the card? |
| [18:20:41] | S2: | jduggan: just the card. |
| [18:20:59] | jduggan: | ah well i dont mind re-investing in a new card |
| [18:21:34] | S2: | jduggan: but there isn't one... at least i don't know any dvb-s2 card for linux that is supported like the skystar |
| [18:21:44] | S2: | one that you can just plug in and it works |
| [18:22:00] | iamlindoro: | S2: and there never will be until the S2 API for linux is agreed upon |
| [18:22:05] | S2: | and don't have to recompile drivers and suff every time you upgrade your system |
| [18:22:19] | S2: | iamlindoro: sad :( |
| [18:22:21] | jduggan: | S2: thats because afaik the standards arent explicit.. once thats the case we'll see more cards |
| [18:22:24] | iamlindoro: | All current S2 possibilities will cease to work when that happens and will need new drivers with the new API.. so it's a waste as is |
| [18:23:06] | S2: | well then... until then dvb-s2 is nice, but useless to us myth users |
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| [18:23:49] | noaxess_kubuntu: | wagnerrp: about the patch for the channel list problem.. i have now read all of http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3640.. i am right that the solution is only the mythic.pl script? |
| [18:24:21] | justinh: | jduggan: no change in LNB needed |
| [18:24:26] | jduggan: | S2: well currently hd is fine over dvb-s... so there's no need for it unless stuff goes dvb-s2 only :) |
| [18:24:35] | jduggan: | justinh: thanks for confirmation |
| [18:24:41] | wagnerrp: | no idea, never used dvb-c to need the patches |
| [18:25:01] | justinh: | jduggan: the freesat hd boxes are s2 capable, so don't bank on em staying on dvb-s for too long |
| [18:25:37] | S2: | jduggan: i don't know of any dvb-s channel that sends in hd. only dvb-s2 |
| [18:25:45] | jduggan: | how are they shipping them s2 capable when teh standards arent even defined? |
| [18:26:08] | thoraxe: | jduggan: the same way they're shipping "draft N" wireless? |
| [18:26:12] | jduggan: | relying on firmare upgrades? |
| [18:26:22] | justinh: | I thought the standard was well defined already, just that there's no API for linux yet |
| [18:26:27] | noaxess_kubuntu: | where is the channels.conf file? |
| [18:26:47] | S2: | jduggan: what do you mean by "the standards are not defined"? they are. there are a lot of s2 cards out now, and sky italia and premiere and orf an a lot of european channels are sneding in s2 |
| [18:26:52] | iamlindoro: | S2: There are many, many locations that do all of their HD in DVB-S |
| [18:27:04] | jduggan: | thoraxe: ive come across lots of interoperability problems with draft N :) |
| [18:27:11] | S2: | iamlindoro: not in my dish range. |
| [18:27:15] | justinh: | noaxess_kubuntu: wherever YOU save it as the output from the *scan* utility |
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| [18:28:02] | noaxess_kubuntu: | justinh: the scan in mythtv-setup or or on command line? |
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| [18:28:25] | jduggan: | S2: i guess i misread an article |
| [18:28:38] | S2: | jduggan: probably :) |
| [18:29:12] | justinh: | the dvb-utils scan program |
| [18:29:41] | justinh: | mythtv doesn't save any channel config stuff to files – or anything else after mysql access stuff |
| [18:30:41] | justinh: | and even then mysql.txt is going the way of the dodo |
| [18:31:13] | noaxess_kubuntu: | justinh: how is it called dvbnet? |
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| [18:33:13] | justinh: | noaxess_kubuntu: who said anything about dvbnet? |
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| [18:36:04] | noaxess_kubuntu: | the dvb-utils are command line utils correct? |
| [18:36:06] | wagnerrp: | i LOVE having to reinstall windows because you had two drives in there, and windows decided to label your boot drive 'E:' |
| [18:36:34] | noaxess_kubuntu: | wagnerrp: thats crazy.. i had that also by a customer.. why.. cause an internal sd-card reader.. |
| [18:37:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah, last time i installed my parents computer, i had their printer plugged in |
| [18:37:13] | noaxess_kubuntu: | grrr M$ sucks |
| [18:37:19] | wagnerrp: | so the card reader in the printer was drives C through F |
| [18:37:26] | noaxess_kubuntu: | wagnerrp: you now the dvb-utils? |
| [18:38:05] | wagnerrp: | i believe ive used it, but that was several months ago |
| [18:38:29] | noaxess_kubuntu: | ok.. i'm confused.. don't now where to start with my proble ;( |
| [18:39:07] | noaxess_kubuntu: | ok.. first.. how can i make a fresh channel search, that the channel table of the database will be rewritten? |
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| [18:43:34] | wagnerrp: | in mythtv-setup, i believe theres an option to flush the old channels |
| [18:44:05] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, i just followed this page http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB_search |
| [18:44:20] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know what you would do with your custom frequency layout |
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| [19:02:25] | noaxess_kubuntu: | is it normal that xmltv needs a mythfilldatabase --manual? |
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| [19:13:22] | noaxess_kubuntu: | ?? |
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| [19:39:18] | thoraxe: | hey i changed my theme to retro but none of the text is displaying, just the pictures |
| [19:39:22] | thoraxe: | am i missing a font or something? |
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| [19:41:44] | rambo3: | wittch letter do you need= |
| [19:42:02] | thoraxe: | rambo3: huh? there is no text displaying in my retro theme at all |
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| [19:43:54] | thoraxe: | where is the config file that sets the theme? |
| [19:44:06] | thoraxe: | i can't even see enough to switch back to gant |
| [19:44:06] | thoraxe: | heh |
| [19:44:35] | wagnerrp: | the 'config file' is in the mysql database |
| [19:44:48] | wagnerrp: | theres a specific settings table |
| [19:45:02] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what property it is off hand |
| [19:45:47] | thoraxe: | looks like OSDTheme |
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| [19:47:02] | thoraxe: | i wonder why nothing is displaying though |
| [19:50:49] | thoraxe: | ok i updated the db back to GANT |
| [19:52:47] | thoraxe: | i'll try titilivus now |
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| [19:54:22] | noaxess_kubuntu: | if i make a complete scan.. need i set the start frequenz? now this fild in mythtv-setup is empty |
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| [20:00:12] | noaxess_kubuntu: | i'm on the wrong place? |
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| [20:03:12] | HaraDragon: | as it turns out, the version of alsa w/ mythbuntu 8.04 has support for HDMI audio out from my vid card |
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| [20:36:56] | thoraxe: | does mythvideo need its own section in lircrc? |
| [20:37:13] | iamlindoro: | not ifyou're using the internal player |
| [20:38:15] | thoraxe: | i'm using mplayer? |
| [20:38:26] | iamlindoro: | Well then mplayer needs a section of its own, now doesn't it? |
| [20:38:31] | thoraxe: | i dunno, mylircrc has a section for the "menu" button on my remote which is set to config M, but it doesn't do anything |
| [20:38:42] | thoraxe: | i'm talking about in the file view section |
| [20:38:46] | thoraxe: | before the movie is actually playing |
| [20:39:04] | thoraxe: | if I press M on my kb i get the popup menu to change views, but if I press menu on my remote nothing happens |
| [20:39:37] | thoraxe: | bleh i need to update my wireless driver |
| [20:39:38] | thoraxe: | bbl |
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| [20:49:24] | thoraxe: | hmm lirc died on reboot |
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| [20:53:36] | thoraxe: | ahh, module isn't loading right |
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| [21:09:04] | ShiftyPowers: | what is the best playback configuration to be able to play HD video on an ATI fire gl 5250 ... don't need quality but just want to be able to get some smoothness. I'm trying to use a laptop as a frontend but need to get the playback smoother |
| [21:09:12] | ShiftyPowers: | is CPU-- the best one for that type of scenario? |
| [21:09:47] | Dagmar: | hahaha |
| [21:10:07] | Dagmar: | If you're trying to play h.264, you need more CPU |
| [21:10:33] | ShiftyPowers: | dammit |
| [21:10:34] | ShiftyPowers: | yeah |
| [21:10:38] | ShiftyPowers: | i'm trying to play something |
| [21:10:39] | ShiftyPowers: | :) |
| [21:10:42] | ShiftyPowers: | it's Euro 2008 |
| [21:10:48] | ShiftyPowers: | and i want to be able to view th egames on ABC |
| [21:10:49] | ShiftyPowers: | :) |
| [21:10:51] | ShiftyPowers: | but it's in HD |
| [21:10:56] | ShiftyPowers: | it's got a core duo 2 |
| [21:11:02] | ShiftyPowers: | just maybe not enough eh? |
| [21:11:13] | jduggan: | what mhz? |
| [21:11:31] | ShiftyPowers: | 2.17 |
| [21:11:56] | jduggan: | should think it'd be enough |
| [21:12:13] | ShiftyPowers: | yeah, doesn't seem too bad |
| [21:12:27] | ShiftyPowers: | hmm |
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| [21:13:36] | ShiftyPowers: | it's a t7400 |
| [21:13:42] | ShiftyPowers: | with an ATI firegl 5250 |
| [21:14:33] | ShiftyPowers: | glxgears gives me about 4000fps |
| [21:14:36] | jduggan: | chances are its an ATI issue.. i hear its a crap card for linux but i've no experience with them, maybe someone else here can provide more assistance :) |
| [21:14:57] | ShiftyPowers: | yeah, i wish this laptop had nvidia |
| [21:16:04] | ShiftyPowers: | how can i tell what version of the ati driver i have right now? |
| [21:16:23] | jduggan: | usually will say in your xorg logs |
| [21:19:18] | Dagmar: | h264 is probably not going to work without 2Ghz or more of CPU power |
| [21:19:18] | Dagmar: | It's _greedy_ and the playback isn't getting any hardware support like MPEG does with XvMC |
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| [21:19:54] | ShiftyPowers: | Dagmar, and there is not way to make the playback worse quality in exchange for smoother playbakc? |
| [21:21:32] | wagnerrp: | if it were a video issue, yes |
| [21:21:44] | wagnerrp: | you can drop every other frame from outputting |
| [21:21:50] | wagnerrp: | making it jerky, but playable |
| [21:22:08] | wagnerrp: | if its a decoding issue, each successive frame builds on the frames before it, so you cannot drop any |
| [21:22:23] | ShiftyPowers: | wagnerrp, gotcha |
| [21:22:27] | ShiftyPowers: | looks like i'm out of luck then |
| [21:22:35] | ShiftyPowers: | but what would be the less taxing decoder in the settings? |
| [21:22:41] | wagnerrp: | are you playing this in mythtv or mplayer? |
| [21:22:42] | ShiftyPowers: | so I can at least see if hte cpu is really the issue |
| [21:22:48] | ShiftyPowers: | is it XvMC? |
| [21:22:58] | ShiftyPowers: | i'm playing a recording in mythtv thru my laptop frontend |
| [21:22:58] | wagnerrp: | XvMC is only for mpeg2 |
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| [21:23:47] | ShiftyPowers: | i have no idea what format it is recorded in |
| [21:23:50] | ShiftyPowers: | quite noob of me |
| [21:24:04] | ShiftyPowers: | it's an OTA HD program |
| [21:24:08] | ShiftyPowers: | i imagine it's 264 |
| [21:24:10] | wagnerrp: | well if its mpeg2, your laptop should have absolutely no problem playing it |
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| [21:24:57] | wagnerrp: | well open it up in mplayer, with the '-identify' flag |
| [21:25:00] | ShiftyPowers: | it's saved as a .mpg |
| [21:25:02] | wagnerrp: | it will tell you the type of video |
| [21:25:05] | ShiftyPowers: | ah |
| [21:25:07] | ShiftyPowers: | will try |
| [21:25:22] | wagnerrp: | well all broadcast is stored as an mpeg transport stream |
| [21:25:32] | ShiftyPowers: | ok |
| [21:25:36] | wagnerrp: | but that has no bearing on the codecs |
| [21:25:41] | ShiftyPowers: | but that's not necessarily mpeg2 |
| [21:25:43] | ShiftyPowers: | gotcha |
| [21:25:44] | ShiftyPowers: | yep |
| [21:25:54] | wagnerrp: | if its mpeg2, chances are youre not actually using XV |
| [21:26:05] | wagnerrp: | so the software scaling is too much load |
| [21:26:29] | wagnerrp: | if its mpeg4, depending on the bitrate, your laptop should still be able to handle it |
| [21:26:41] | ViperSBT: | I seem to have hosed my sound system... I switched to digital out of my SPDIF port and things were working good. After a reboot I can't get any sound and Iand I am getting PULSEAUDIO saying that it can't connect.... |
| [21:26:44] | wagnerrp: | unless youre speedstepped, or again with the XV issues |
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| [21:27:26] | iamlindoro: | The xvmc question is moot, it's an ATI card |
| [21:27:33] | ShiftyPowers: | wagnerrp, i will try |
| [21:28:23] | ShiftyPowers: | is there an yother way to tell what codec is being used other than using mplayer? it's still recording hence i don't want to stop it |
| [21:28:27] | ShiftyPowers: | or copy the 7 gig file over |
| [21:28:33] | iamlindoro: | ffmpeg -i filename |
| [21:29:33] | iamlindoro: | Last few lines should tell you the codecs of each stream |
| [21:29:33] | ViperSBT: | And when I try alsamixer, I get: |
| [21:29:36] | ViperSBT: | alsamixer |
| [21:29:36] | ViperSBT: | *** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to connect: Connection refused |
| [21:29:36] | ViperSBT: | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Connection refused |
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| [21:33:06] | ShiftyPowers: | got an error about not being able to find faacdecopen |
| [21:33:19] | ShiftyPowers: | ffmpeg: symbol lookup error: /usr/local/lib/libavcodec.so.51: undefined symbol: faacDecOpen |
| [21:33:25] | ShiftyPowers: | that's what I get when i run ffmpeg -i |
| [21:33:28] | ShiftyPowers: | can't quite find the package for it |
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| [21:34:01] | iamlindoro: | Thank Ubuntu for giving you a broken ffmpeg by default |
| [21:34:15] | ShiftyPowers: | shit |
| [21:34:38] | iamlindoro: | ShiftyPowers: You are in the USA, and you are watching OTA? It's MPEG-2. |
| [21:34:51] | ShiftyPowers: | yep, watching OTA |
| [21:34:53] | ShiftyPowers: | in the USA |
| [21:34:59] | iamlindoro: | then there's your answer |
| [21:35:12] | iamlindoro: | we don't do h.264 here, that would be too smart of us |
| [21:36:06] | ShiftyPowers: | hmm, so if it's mpeg-2 then i should be able to play it no? |
| [21:36:26] | iamlindoro: | key factor here is ATI,and that you have no idea what graphics driver you are running |
| [21:36:31] | wagnerrp: | should yes, unless XV isnt working properly |
| [21:36:37] | ShiftyPowers: | i am runnin gati |
| [21:36:38] | ShiftyPowers: | ati |
| [21:36:46] | ShiftyPowers: | just don't know which version |
| [21:36:58] | wagnerrp: | why not fglrx? |
| [21:37:34] | iamlindoro: | FGLRX is your *only* shot of getting Xv. You need to get it set up. Go find a howto, google something like "ubuntu ati fglrx howto xv" |
| [21:38:42] | ShiftyPowers: | iamlindoro, will do man..thanks for your help |
| [21:38:51] | ShiftyPowers: | apologies for being a noob about this, but you are vastly smarter at it |
| [21:38:59] | iamlindoro: | just experience, no big deal |
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| [21:39:24] | justinh: | experience, and that thing some people call 'the lernin' |
| [21:39:38] | justinh: | as in 'learning from experience' ;) |
| [21:39:41] | ShiftyPowers: | how do i test if xv is working at all? |
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| [21:39:51] | iamlindoro: | or "breaking shit often and having to fix it oneself" |
| [21:40:55] | iamlindoro: | mplayer -vo xv somefile, and then crying when it fails miserably may do it |
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| [21:41:23] | iamlindoro: | There's probably a simpler way, I've just never not had it working to have to check |
| [21:42:48] | ShiftyPowers: | going to try and figure this out |
| [21:42:50] | ShiftyPowers: | thanks |
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| [22:09:47] | thoraxe: | hm... no ati driver for F9 yet... anyone got tv out working with the regular "radeon" driver? |
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| [22:10:30] | iamlindoro: | http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=189227 |
| [22:10:40] | iamlindoro: | That seems to imply fglrx for F9 is available |
| [22:10:49] | thoraxe: | it is available, it just doesn't work |
| [22:10:50] | thoraxe: | hehe |
| [22:11:15] | iamlindoro: | s/just doesn't work/you can't make it work. |
| [22:11:24] | thoraxe: | haha |
| [22:11:26] | thoraxe: | bbl dinner |
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| [22:38:31] | Gumby: | anyone know why audio wouldnt work when using the flash stream in mythweb? |
| [22:41:03] | justinh: | no mp3 support in your ffmpeg |
| [22:41:41] | Gumby: | on the machine that the recordings were recorded from? |
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| [22:43:09] | justinh: | on the machine mythweb runs on |
| [22:43:10] | basneder: | hi, my pvr350 card wont work with mythtv under ubuntu |
| [22:43:13] | basneder: | any tips? |
| [22:43:25] | justinh: | #ubuntu-mythtv is that-a-way <<<< |
| [22:43:49] | Gumby: | ffmpeg |
| [22:43:49] | Gumby: | FFmpeg version SVN-rUNKNOWN, Copyright (c) 2000–2007 Fabrice Bellard, et al. |
| [22:43:49] | Gumby: | configuration: --enable-gpl --enable-pp --enable-swscaler --enable-pthreads --enable-libvorbis --enable-libtheora --enable-libogg --enable-libgsm --enable-dc1394 --disable-debug --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libfaadbin --enable-libfaad --enable-libfaac --enable-xvid --enable-x264 --enable-liba52 --enable-amr_nb --enable-amr_wb --enable-shared |
| [22:43:59] | basneder: | justinh, ah :) tnx |
| [22:44:15] | Gumby: | I assume --enable-libmp3lame is what I am supposed to have? |
| [22:44:29] | Gumby: | this is ffmpeg on the machine mythweb is on |
| [22:44:40] | Gumby: | which is also the machine that the backend is on |
| [22:46:12] | justinh: | Gumby: ahh yes but does ffmpeg have *encoding* support for mp3? |
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| [22:47:03] | justinh: | ffmpeg -formats |grep mp3 |
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| [22:47:06] | Gumby: | justinh: which option is that? I've just been following online howtos. None have mentioned that |
| [22:47:46] | justinh: | ffmpeg -formats |grep mp3 |
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| [22:48:01] | Gumby: | just waiting for patebin to load |
| [22:48:04] | justinh: | you're looking for DEA mp3 |
| [22:48:38] | Gumby: | just have DA |
| [22:48:46] | Gumby: | D A |
| [22:48:52] | Gumby: | hrm.... |
| [22:49:00] | Gumby: | DE mp3 MPEG audio layer 3 |
| [22:49:00] | Gumby: | D A mp3 |
| [22:49:16] | |Torg|: | means you can play them, not encode them |
| [22:49:32] | justinh: | ta-da! |
| [22:49:45] | Gumby: | any idea why it says DE mp3 and then the next line is D A mp3? |
| [22:50:09] | ** Gumby needs to figure out how to get encoding.... ** | |
| [22:50:24] | |Torg|: | menoder? |
| [22:51:02] | iamlindoro: | Or, the forbidden zone, compile it yourself! (dramatic gong) |
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| [22:51:12] | Gumby: | and then I need to compile ffmpeg? |
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| [22:52:26] | |Torg|: | and Gumby the first mp3 you see is a file format,meaning ffmepg can write them, the second you see is from the codecs meaning it can decode audio not enocde them. You would have seen them if you did not pipe it though grp |
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| [22:52:45] | Gumby: | ah, I see |
| [22:53:14] | |Torg|: | --enable-libmp3lame |
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| [22:54:29] | Ace2016: | Hi all |
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| [22:55:01] | Ace2016: | tv works, but i need help with guide data, i set it to EIT, and its not updating unless i start watching it, so how do i force it to update all channels? |
| [22:55:23] | Ace2016: | i ran mythfilldatabase but thats for xml data from the internet right? and not for the epg from EIT |
| [22:55:44] | |Torg|: | leave it be, it only collects EIT when idle |
| [22:55:49] | Ace2016: | oh |
| [22:56:01] | Ace2016: | i spent an hour going to different channels to see what was on |
| [22:56:14] | Ace2016: | do i leave it watching a channel or just on the main menu? |
| [22:56:35] | |Torg|: | the FE dosnt matter except it puts the cards in use, its the BE that does it |
| [22:56:59] | |Torg|: | run the be, watchits output, leave the FE on a menu or some plugin, dont watch tv, dont have anything scheduled to run |
| [22:57:00] | Ace2016: | FE BE? |
| [22:57:06] | |Torg|: | Back End, Front End |
| [22:57:46] | Ace2016: | thanks, i've set it to record one thing, so i guess after that it will grab the guide data overnight |
| [22:58:11] | Ace2016: | do you know far into the future the guide data is available for? |
| [22:58:28] | |Torg|: | depends on source, usualy 3 days |
| [22:58:30] | Gumby: | do you guys have a current tutorial on ffmpeg for mythtv? |
| [22:58:38] | Gumby: | or rather have a link for one |
| [22:59:25] | GreyFoxx: | A tutorial on ffmpeg for myth? |
| [22:59:27] | Ace2016: | Thanks |
| [22:59:41] | GreyFoxx: | I assume you are looking to do some outside of myth transcoding or something ? |
| [22:59:53] | Gumby: | GreyFoxx: on how to enable mp3 support (so mythweb can stream properly) |
| [22:59:56] | justinh: | Ace2016: in the UK, 7 days |
| [22:59:58] | Dagmar: | The answer is: "The normal FFMpeg documentation" |
| [23:00:06] | Ace2016: | justinh: for dvb-s on freesat? |
| [23:00:38] | |Torg|: | svn checkout svn://svn.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg/trunk ffmpeg |
| [23:00:42] | |Torg|: | then go compile it |
| [23:00:44] | justinh: | Ace2016: dunno |
| [23:01:00] | Ace2016: | well i'll just wait and see in the morning |
| [23:01:04] | Ace2016: | Thanks all, good night |
| [23:01:08] | Ace2016: | or have a nice day |
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| [23:02:47] | Dagmar: | *sigh* Sausage-heads. |
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| [23:19:30] | justinh: | effing hell, this MD recording is shit. sounds like a tape with wavy azimuth alignment |
| [23:19:43] | justinh: | won't be putting that online! |
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