| Thursday, June 19th, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:08] | greg__: | i dont think its obscure just new |
| [00:00:32] | iamlindoro: | evga is not a traditional tuner manufacturer... that by itself makes it obscure :) |
| [00:01:12] | greg__: | any way to run mythtv on windows? |
| [00:02:01] | iamlindoro: | not in any supported fashion. It *will* compile under windows, but it has all sorts of problems |
| [00:02:18] | greg__: | :( |
| [00:02:18] | iamlindoro: | if you decide to do so, you'll end up needing to compile it yourself |
| [00:02:38] | iamlindoro: | Just get a well supported ATSC/QAM tuner if that's what you want, there are tons of well supported ones |
| [00:02:54] | greg__: | i dont have money for one |
| [00:04:14] | directhex: | leard driver writing |
| [00:04:17] | directhex: | learn |
| [00:04:48] | greg__: | yea right id catch the thing on fire |
| [00:04:59] | iamlindoro: | That's the can-do attitude we like around here |
| [00:06:15] | iamlindoro: | directhex: Did you see what you started earlier? Talking about me being all mean and stuff... thanks, buddy |
| [00:07:14] | directhex: | i was busy chopping things on Oblivion. sorry. |
| [00:07:46] | iamlindoro: | I own that but never managed to get more that 30 minutes into it... maybe someday I'll try to get into it again |
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| [00:12:06] | matthijs_: | hi guys, ive been on my capture card's wiki, and it says i need to configure some things |
| [00:12:31] | directhex: | iamlindoro, it's dense, especially at the beginning |
| [00:12:42] | matthijs_: | but when i do, the backend setup just ignores the changes ive made |
| [00:13:00] | directhex: | iamlindoro, it starts to become enjoyable round about after you close the oblivion gate at kvatch. IMHO. |
| [00:13:28] | matthijs_: | the changes i made are in the capture's card setup |
| [00:13:32] | iamlindoro: | directhex: Yeah, definitely didn't get that far... I found myself wandering into situations there was *no* way for me to win at |
| [00:13:52] | iamlindoro: | directhex: like, wander off the path a bit, WTF is that huge fucking winged monstrosity? Game over! |
| [00:14:10] | matthijs_: | standard this is on: Video Device : /dev/video0 |
| [00:14:29] | matthijs_: | i cant change it, it just ignores the changes i make |
| [00:17:01] | iamlindoro: | Here's something terrifying and fascinating: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599 . . . html?cnn=yes |
| [00:17:27] | directhex: | matthijs_, what type of card is it? do you have funny mysql permissions set? |
| [00:18:29] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: well, the younger stars can't get it up either so what's the difference? |
| [00:18:36] | matthijs_: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Terratec . . . MythTV_setup |
| [00:18:41] | matthijs_: | this card directhex |
| [00:18:52] | matthijs_: | im sorry, funny mysql permissions? |
| [00:18:56] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap: Japanese culture freaks me out |
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| [00:19:45] | AndyCap: | besides, working in adult movies probably beats commiting crimes because jail is better than retirement homes. |
| [00:20:38] | AndyCap: | Of course. "Japan is repeatedly found to be one of the most sexless societies in the industrialized world." Thats because there are no tentacle monsters in the real world. |
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| [00:36:24] | Paladine: | hey peeps, I know this might be a bit off topic, but I don't suppose any of you guys know how to make ffmpeg capture audio from a USB device do you? |
| [00:41:42] | wagner: | what is this usb device |
| [00:41:56] | wagner: | 'USB device' is incredibly vague |
| [00:42:12] | directhex: | usb sound cards just come up as additional alsa devices |
| [00:47:29] | clever: | when the drivers are good:P |
| [00:47:42] | clever: | crapy drivers could make a custom dev node just because they can |
| [00:48:17] | AndyCap: | clever: first you'd have to get the crappy driver from somewhere. :P |
| [00:48:22] | clever: | yeah |
| [00:48:32] | clever: | your distro probly wont include crappy drivers like that |
| [00:48:37] | clever: | other then the nvidia/ati ones:P |
| [00:48:44] | ** clever points at /dev/nvidiactl ** | |
| [00:48:46] | AndyCap: | not included. :) |
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| [00:48:51] | dracflamloc: | hi |
| [00:49:33] | dracflamloc: | i setup myth to display via opengl... bad idea since my nvidia drivers arent working. so i start mythtv frontend... or backend... and all i get is the background of the theme, but no menu, icons, etc. can someone help |
| [00:50:02] | iamlindoro: | dracflamloc: mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [00:51:04] | dracflamloc: | much thanks =) |
| [00:51:07] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [00:51:12] | dracflamloc: | now to figure out why my nivida crpa isnt working =( |
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| [00:55:30] | Paladine: | its my usb webcam |
| [00:55:53] | Paladine: | the mic works fine in audacity and the video works fine in ffmpeg, but I am not sure how to get ffmpeg capture the mic too |
| [00:56:07] | Paladine: | it is for a video podcast |
| [00:56:36] | clever: | and i see from a glance at my pc |
| [00:56:54] | clever: | window changed on its own without warning |
| [01:00:23] | dracflamloc: | hm ok new problem =\ |
| [01:00:42] | justinh: | well, I can still mix like a bastard. woohoo |
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| [01:02:17] | dracflamloc: | i get no sound =\ |
| [01:02:44] | dracflamloc: | my card is a kworld plustv hd pci-115. using oldschool analog cable |
| [01:04:02] | iamlindoro: | Using an digital tuner for analog cable is asking for trouble |
| [01:04:28] | dracflamloc: | well seeing as i already have it.... trouble or not i'd like to get it working |
| [01:04:35] | justinh: | esp. when you ain't using a LINE input for the audio |
| [01:04:59] | justinh: | oops reading the wrong lines |
| [01:05:43] | justinh: | dracflamloc: solving the opengl problem is easy. restart the frontend with -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [01:05:56] | justinh: | that'll let you change the setting |
| [01:06:08] | dracflamloc: | yea that was covered, but thanks =) |
| [01:06:16] | dracflamloc: | got that fixed. now tryingt o get audio to go with my video |
| [01:06:28] | justinh: | read the mythtv docs :) |
| [01:06:46] | justinh: | they tell you how to capture tuner card audio |
| [01:07:05] | dracflamloc: | a link would help =) docs are rather large |
| [01:07:08] | justinh: | tip – you need to link the tuner card to an input on your soundcard |
| [01:07:30] | justinh: | they're not that hard to find damnit |
| [01:08:09] | justinh: | from the doc index look for 'configuring sound; |
| [01:08:41] | dracflamloc: | k |
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| [01:10:14] | jdahm: | phew, so I figured out mysql, but I can't get myth-setup to work. It says 'Cannot log in to database?' |
| [01:10:42] | jdahm: | even after creating a user mythtv and granting him all on database mythtv |
| [01:10:52] | jdahm: | anyone up to help? |
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| [01:17:00] | dracflamloc: | ok these instructions are pretty lame |
| [01:19:58] | wagner: | awesome! someone hit my car |
| [01:20:04] | dracflamloc: | bummer |
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| [01:21:11] | wagner: | they scraped it while it was sitting on the street |
| [01:21:16] | jdahm: | wagner: :O |
| [01:21:33] | wagner: | no physical damage, but considerable paint transfer on the bumper |
| [01:21:45] | jdahm: | anyway, I have the database setup now, how do I setup my card, it's a HVR-1250 |
| [01:22:03] | wagner: | jdahm: what kernel revision? |
| [01:22:07] | jdahm: | I'm under capture cards |
| [01:22:20] | jdahm: | wagner: 2.6.25-2-amd64 |
| [01:22:32] | jdahm: | (debian unstable) |
| [01:22:37] | ** dracflamloc sighs ** | |
| [01:22:38] | wagner: | ok, you should have support pre-built into the kernel |
| [01:22:41] | dracflamloc: | i cant get the sound to work |
| [01:22:50] | wagner: | <2.6.24, you had to get an external driver |
| [01:22:59] | dracflamloc: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Kworld_ATSC_115 this doesnt seem to help much |
| [01:23:01] | jdahm: | wagner: so I don' tneed to setup anything in there, or? |
| [01:23:18] | wagner: | do you have an /dev/dvb/adapter0 ? |
| [01:23:40] | jdahm: | wagner: yeah |
| [01:23:49] | jdahm: | how do you check if it's in use? |
| [01:24:07] | wagner: | if that folder exists, everything should be working properly |
| [01:24:15] | wagner: | just add the card like normal, and see if everything works |
| [01:24:18] | jdahm: | wagner: what kind of card is it? |
| [01:24:28] | wagner: | DVB |
| [01:24:33] | jdahm: | wagner: like analog V4L? |
| [01:24:53] | jdahm: | I see |
| [01:24:54] | jdahm: | thanks! |
| [01:25:24] | jdahm: | wagner: by the way, I can't see my cursor except in selection boxes in the GUI |
| [01:25:30] | jdahm: | can that be fixed...? |
| [01:25:45] | wagner: | yes, the cursor is hidden by default |
| [01:25:58] | wagner: | i dont think there is an option to correct that in mythtv-setup |
| [01:26:03] | wagner: | but you can change it in the frontend |
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| [01:26:49] | jdahm: | wagner: I see, cool! |
| [01:27:26] | wagner: | maybe when you enable it in the frontend, it automatically carries over to setup |
| [01:27:34] | wagner: | although you shouldnt frequently have to get into the setup |
| [01:28:27] | jdahm: | wagner: do I have to pay for tv listings?! |
| [01:28:40] | wagner: | yes and no |
| [01:28:40] | jdahm: | whats the schedulesdirect thing? |
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| [01:29:06] | wagner: | with DTV, they broadcast channel listings within the channel |
| [01:29:16] | wagner: | but that is typically no more than a day, if that much |
| [01:29:36] | wagner: | you can also try your luck with xmltv and page scrapers |
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| [01:29:44] | wagner: | they scrape freely available TV listings |
| [01:29:48] | wagner: | but theyre a hassle to set up |
| [01:30:00] | wagner: | so, you can spend $20/yr and never have to worry about it |
| [01:30:18] | jdahm: | wagner: I have comcast, but without the cable box (thats only downstairs) so I guess I don't get hat much... |
| [01:30:41] | MinDKrime: | $20 a yr is worth is IMHO |
| [01:30:52] | wagner: | ive heard that comcast is fully unencrypted in some areas |
| [01:31:21] | wagner: | ive got a 1250, but its hooked up to an antenna for ATSC broadcasts |
| [01:31:35] | wagner: | and then two 150s for analog cable |
| [01:31:45] | dracflamloc: | ok i got sound |
| [01:31:46] | dracflamloc: | but uh |
| [01:31:50] | dracflamloc: | they all sound liek chipmunks |
| [01:31:53] | wagner: | i tried digital cable when i got the 1250, but i only got 8 channels out of it |
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| [01:33:37] | dracflamloc: | any ideas? |
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| [01:34:54] | wagner: | jdahm: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Working_QAM_cable_layout |
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| [01:35:26] | dracflamloc: | stutters too |
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| [01:38:09] | dracflamloc: | ok nevermind |
| [01:38:14] | dracflamloc: | i dont know what i jsut did but it worked |
| [01:38:15] | dracflamloc: | woo |
| [01:38:27] | wagner: | thats often not a good thing |
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| [01:44:38] | jdahm: | wagner: hm, the backend is running but the frontend claims it's no |
| [01:44:39] | jdahm: | t |
| [01:44:58] | wagner: | backend and frontend on the same machine? |
| [01:45:07] | jdahm: | wagner: yep |
| [01:45:32] | wagner: | open a webbrowser, and go to http://localhost:6544/ |
| [01:45:50] | jdahm: | where does channels.conf go by the way? (sorry to ask so many questions, is there a wiki intro for all thus stuff)? |
| [01:46:15] | wagner: | channels.conf is not used |
| [01:46:24] | wagner: | everything is stored internally in the sql database |
| [01:46:41] | jdahm: | wagner: then what was that page you sent me for? |
| [01:47:02] | wagner: | oh, that is to aid in scanning for QAM channels |
| [01:47:41] | wagner: | in the setup, you can import that file, rather than scanning for channels |
| [01:48:10] | wagner: | you can put it wherever you want, because you only have to open it the one time |
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| [01:50:22] | jdahm: | wagner: oh ok cool. well I'm still having a little bit of problems with the sql server too I think. (btw, I dont have a working browser on here either atm, iceweasel and swiftfox start and then stop instantly for some weird reason) |
| [01:50:56] | wagner: | so run 'mythtvip:6544' on a machine where you do have a browser |
| [01:51:02] | wagner: | if it comes up, the backend should be fine |
| [01:51:27] | wagner: | also, did you use the UPnP setup, or are you trying to connect the frontend and backend manually? |
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| [01:52:24] | jdahm: | wagner: don't know what uPnP is it was complaining about that too |
| [01:53:11] | wagner: | well in the first page of the first section of mythtv-setup, you were given an option to make a PIN code |
| [01:54:02] | wagner: | any frontends you put together will autodetect that backend, and if you give it the PIN you used, the backend will send it the necessary information to automatically set everything else up |
| [01:54:54] | wagner: | but if youre already getting mysql issues, youre past anything upnp would have done |
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| [02:24:02] | jdahm: | wagner: this cursor thing is really annoying me and I can't find the option, does anyone know where it is? |
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| [02:35:38] | jdahm: | whenever I'm scamming channels it's trying to start at like 78 |
| [02:35:45] | jdahm: | when really my channels start at 2 |
| [02:35:50] | jdahm: | how can I change that? |
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| [02:36:28] | jdahm: | oh, got it |
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| [02:42:42] | dustybin: | jdahm: what are your first impressions of mythtv? |
| [02:42:57] | jdahm: | dustybin: I'm having trouble scanning for channels |
| [02:43:20] | dustybin: | jdahm: ok so your stuck on the setup |
| [02:43:25] | jdahm: | dustybin: it's kinda cool, but really homebrew, when I try to import a channels.conf I get an abort core dump |
| [02:43:37] | jdahm: | and the program exits :P |
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| [02:43:47] | jadams: | what's the default commercial skip key? |
| [02:43:53] | dustybin: | jdahm: welcome to mythtv :-) |
| [02:44:00] | jadams: | hi |
| [02:44:19] | jdahm: | thanks dustybin ! I really like the idea of it though |
| [02:44:27] | jdahm: | anyone use comcast cable in here? |
| [02:44:30] | dustybin: | jadams: commercial flagging can be activated in the menus |
| [02:44:37] | dustybin: | there are LOTS of them, so take your time |
| [02:44:39] | jdahm: | in michigan or so? |
| [02:44:46] | jadams: | dustybin: it's activated...isn't there a 'skip commercials now' key though? |
| [02:44:49] | jadams: | because auto sucks |
| [02:44:51] | jadams: | err |
| [02:45:04] | jadams: | not sucks, but isn't flawless obv. and I wouldn't expect it to be |
| [02:45:05] | jdahm: | dustybin: where is the active mouse in frontend option? |
| [02:45:06] | dustybin: | i dont think there is |
| [02:45:11] | jadams: | dustybin: ok, thanks |
| [02:45:23] | GreyFoxx: | there is |
| [02:45:29] | GreyFoxx: | under the Appearance menu |
| [02:45:30] | dustybin: | oh |
| [02:45:35] | GreyFoxx: | It's off by default of course |
| [02:46:40] | jdahm: | GreyFoxx: what would it be under Appearence? |
| [02:46:49] | jdahm: | GreyFoxx: QT study? |
| [02:47:32] | GreyFoxx: | Its specificaly says mouse |
| [02:47:42] | dustybin: | Hide mouse cursor in mythtv |
| [02:47:52] | jdahm: | GreyFoxx: I don't have that option |
| [02:47:59] | dustybin: | its in the main menu, not in myth setup |
| [02:48:18] | GreyFoxx: | mythfrontend settings,appearance |
| [02:48:20] | GreyFoxx: | second page |
| [02:48:24] | dustybin: | i dont think you have got that far yet? |
| [02:48:27] | jdahm: | oh |
| [02:48:28] | GreyFoxx: | "Hide Mouse" or some such |
| [02:48:28] | jdahm: | heh |
| [02:48:43] | jdahm: | GreyFoxx: dodm |
| [02:48:49] | jdahm: | didnt see that second page |
| [02:50:26] | jdahm: | grrr I can't import channels.conf! |
| [02:50:31] | jdahm: | stupid core dump |
| [02:50:53] | GreyFoxx: | submit a ticket to trac, and include specific version info and the channels.colnf |
| [02:51:26] | jdahm: | GreyFoxx: meh, its the debian packaged testing version, probably too old |
| [02:51:37] | jdahm: | I think I'll build the svn 21-fixes branch |
| [02:51:44] | GreyFoxx: | good idea :) |
| [02:51:53] | dustybin: | jdahm: mythtv is at its best when you compile yourself |
| [02:52:02] | GreyFoxx: | include --compile-type=debug if you wanna submit backtraces and such |
| [02:52:46] | jdahm: | GreyFoxx: so I just just remove the packages for mythtv myth-frontend myth-backend and mythtv-themes from aptitude and then build the svn code? |
| [02:53:05] | dustybin: | jdahm: you could try |
| [02:53:19] | dustybin: | apt-get remove --purge mythtv* |
| [02:53:32] | dustybin: | once you have removed everything |
| [02:53:39] | dustybin: | do, apt-get build-dep mythtv |
| [02:54:01] | jdahm: | yeah |
| [02:54:03] | dustybin: | then download the source from here: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ |
| [02:54:28] | dustybin: | make sure you dl stable .21 fixes |
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| [02:59:40] | jdahm: | dustybin: it wants to upgrade gcc to 4.2 and then remove nvidia-glx |
| [02:59:50] | jdahm: | can I just re install nvidia-glx afterwards/ |
| [03:00:03] | dustybin: | hmmm be careful |
| [03:00:05] | dustybin: | dont do that |
| [03:00:22] | dustybin: | first upgrade your distro: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| [03:01:06] | dustybin: | jdahm: find out what mythtv packages are installed: dpkg -l | grep mythtv and remove them 1 by 1 |
| [03:01:06] | jdahm: | dustybin: it's not upgrading gcc or anything when I type sudo aptitude upgrade |
| [03:01:14] | jdahm: | dustybin: did that |
| [03:01:30] | fryfrog: | you may need "full-upgrade" if you are using 7.10 or 8.04 |
| [03:01:41] | fryfrog: | previously, "dist-upgrade" i believe |
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| [03:02:06] | jdahm: | fryfrog: thanks! but nothing there either to upgrade |
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| [03:02:47] | fryfrog: | jdahm: sorry, i sort of came into this in the middle... what is the problem? |
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| [03:03:33] | jdahm: | fryfrog: well not a huge problem, I'm trying to build-dep for mythtv and it wants to remove nvidia-glx (presumably because it wants to go to a new gcc version_ |
| [03:03:42] | jdahm: | but when I upgrade it doesnt upgrade gcc |
| [03:04:09] | fryfrog: | ah, sounds like build-dep for mythtv has some dependancies that don't need to be upgraded on your current installation |
| [03:04:23] | fryfrog: | i would just let it do it, make a note of the package(s) it removes then... reinstall them when done |
| [03:04:37] | jdahm: | fryfrog: I'm using the testing version of debian-multimedia |
| [03:04:44] | jdahm: | should I use unstable? |
| [03:04:52] | fryfrog: | er |
| [03:04:57] | fryfrog: | wtf is debian multimedia? |
| [03:05:12] | jdahm: | fryfrog: has the deps for mythtv in it |
| [03:05:24] | jdahm: | since debian is too "free" for some of the codecs and stuff |
| [03:05:33] | fryfrog: | and as to what to use... i'd suggest which ever distro / release you are familiar with. i sort of assumed you were using ubuntu |
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| [03:06:09] | jdahm: | fryfrog: no haha, I'm actually very decent at linux, have used many distros over many years, right now I'm on debian unstable |
| [03:06:37] | jdahm: | just don't know a thing about mythtv and just started using debian recently so I still think aptitude acts like a teenager at times making bad decisions |
| [03:06:51] | fryfrog: | ah, i see |
| [03:07:12] | fryfrog: | well if you are just poking around you might like ubuntu as much as debian (since it is virtually debian) |
| [03:07:27] | ** jdahm hates ubuntu with a passion ** | |
| [03:07:32] | fryfrog: | and there is also "mythbuntu" if those sorts of myth + distro are your thing |
| [03:07:42] | fryfrog: | ah, well no ubuntu then :) |
| [03:07:51] | jdahm: | nah this computer is used for things other than mythtv |
| [03:08:00] | fryfrog: | yeah, i don't like em either :) |
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| [03:10:36] | jdahm: | default settings are crap and I always have to help ubuntu users at work |
| [03:10:45] | dustybin: | i think it would be quite educational to setup a box running: mythtbackend, postfix, samba, nfs, zoneminder, etc in gentoo |
| [03:11:02] | fryfrog: | quite! |
| [03:11:05] | jdahm: | dustybin: I ran gentoo for so many years |
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| [03:11:33] | jdahm: | dustybin: lately I have been doing some developing and it's a pain to have to compile EVERYTHING |
| [03:11:41] | dustybin: | aye it is |
| [03:11:50] | dustybin: | how about a LFS backend |
| [03:11:55] | fryfrog: | also, sometimes it is nice to have things *just work* |
| [03:12:00] | jdahm: | I tried LFS once |
| [03:12:06] | jdahm: | meh |
| [03:12:09] | jdahm: | takes too much time |
| [03:12:16] | jdahm: | I have a life |
| [03:12:21] | jdahm: | want to live it |
| [03:12:46] | dustybin: | debian makes a nice backend distro |
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| [03:13:00] | jdahm: | still do think emerge >> aptitude though |
| [03:13:14] | dustybin: | debians multimedia repo is very handy indeed |
| [03:13:28] | jdahm: | dustybin: should I use testing or unstalbe for it? |
| [03:13:47] | dustybin: | jdahm: im running debian lenny testing on my backend |
| [03:14:01] | dustybin: | because i require newer kernel and packages etc |
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| [03:14:25] | dustybin: | had no problems at all, although have to be careful when updating because it can break my setuo |
| [03:14:27] | jdahm: | dustybin: I'm running sid/lenny on my backend and then testing on the multimedia repo right now |
| [03:14:28] | dustybin: | p |
| [03:14:45] | jdahm: | should I try unstable multimedia? |
| [03:15:03] | dustybin: | you should never mix up repos |
| [03:15:15] | dustybin: | if you are running testing, keep all your repos testing |
| [03:15:20] | dustybin: | testing = lenny |
| [03:15:27] | dustybin: | sid = unstable |
| [03:15:31] | jdahm: | yeah |
| [03:15:45] | dustybin: | if you mix them up you are walking on thin rope |
| [03:18:44] | dustybin: | i dont like the idea of running ubuntu on a backend. 1. ubuntu is released every 6 months, so that means constant headaches |
| [03:19:03] | dustybin: | 2. ubuntu packages seem to need updating never ending, again, another headache |
| [03:19:23] | fryfrog: | i've been happy with gentoo |
| [03:19:27] | fryfrog: | er, wtf |
| [03:19:29] | fryfrog: | i mean ubuntu |
| [03:19:39] | dustybin: | IMO a backend should be running a server based distro, like debian |
| [03:19:59] | fryfrog: | i'd rather have all my linux systems running the same version and distro |
| [03:20:05] | jdahm: | I'll brb guys, I need to push everything back to testing |
| [03:20:10] | fryfrog: | ubuntu is nice and easy, for me :) |
| [03:20:15] | dustybin: | the only updates you get on stable debian is security and bug updates, and that doesnt happen too often |
| [03:21:24] | fryfrog: | i don't run any critical, production systems in my house... i'm happier having "new" versions of stuff. if i wanted the latest from 4 years ago, i'd use a distro from 4 years ago :p |
| [03:21:38] | dustybin: | aye ok |
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| [03:23:22] | dustybin: | at home, i run debian on my server, my sister runs ubuntu desktop, and my desktop is gentoo, my laptop is os x |
| [03:24:27] | dustybin: | really need to get myself a copy of leopard |
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| [04:50:12] | wagner: | i couldnt imagine building LFS |
| [04:50:27] | wagner: | its painful enough dicking around with the rc shit even when i dont have to write all of it |
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| [04:50:55] | Niltsiar: | anyone got any experience with using two different cx88 PCI cards? |
| [04:51:26] | wagner: | it should just show up as /dev/dvb/adaptor0 and /dev/dvb/adaptor1 |
| [04:51:59] | wagner: | oh, cx88 are mpeg encoder cards? |
| [04:52:19] | Niltsiar: | that's what I thought, it's not... I had one card in there, was working fine... put in a second card, now the second card is detecting fine... the old one isn't |
| [04:52:22] | Niltsiar: | no, dvb |
| [04:53:10] | wagner: | ah, the mention of mpeg encoder must have been for combo cards |
| [04:53:42] | wagner: | yeah, there *shouldnt* be any issue with running two cards |
| [04:54:04] | wagner: | they both show up in 'lspci' ? one of them didnt drop off the face of the computer? |
| [04:54:38] | Niltsiar: | both there, lshw shows one of them as being unclaimed though |
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| [04:58:51] | wagner: | dmesg shows no clues? |
| [05:01:08] | Niltsiar: | hrrm, odd.. it's spitting out an unknown card error, but I can't reinsert the module with the other card too |
| [05:09:43] | Niltsiar: | I'm going to try the latest v4l-dvb source |
| [05:10:32] | hadees: | how many movie dvd isos do you think will fit on a terabyte of storage |
| [05:11:17] | iamlindoro: | at least 110, probably more |
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| [05:23:13] | gizmobay: | Niltsiar, how many /dev/video devices were generated |
| [05:24:11] | Niltsiar: | 2 |
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| [05:25:18] | gizmobay: | should have video, video0, and video1 |
| [05:25:49] | gizmobay: | nothing in dmesg? |
| [05:26:02] | gizmobay: | dmesg | grep cx88 |
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| [06:13:52] | Niltsiar: | gizmobay: sorry, someone came over.. I think it's just that the second card is causing problems, I thought it was detecting properly, it's not... so I'll just replace it with another card |
| [06:13:57] | Niltsiar: | thanks for your help though |
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| [06:14:34] | directhex: | you shouldn't ever have /dev/videoX for digital |
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| [06:44:49] | wagner: | iamlindoro: 110 ISOs exactly, was that just a guess or did you really get out a calculator? |
| [06:45:06] | wagner: | (935GB/8.5GB = 110) |
| [06:47:04] | fryfrog: | one might also even consider x264 encoding to bring a dvd down to say 1.4G |
| [06:47:09] | fryfrog: | if one were so inclined |
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| [06:51:29] | wagner: | fryfrog: i do my rips at ~1GB-1.6GB depending on the length and complexity |
| [06:51:41] | wagner: | 1.4GB is just an arbitrary size designed to fit on two CDs |
| [06:52:02] | wagner: | theyre usually considerably smaller |
| [06:52:19] | wagner: | the problem is that you dont get any of the menu system or extras |
| [06:52:23] | fryfrog: | true |
| [06:52:43] | wagner: | i suppose you could remaster it to a BRD/HDDVD style image |
| [06:53:00] | fryfrog: | i personally rarely watch the extras, though when a dvd has a good system with them included i'll usually watch |
| [06:53:03] | fryfrog: | that one |
| [06:53:04] | wagner: | but that takes considerable time |
| [06:53:16] | fryfrog: | but then again, that usually is a rippable version |
| [06:53:27] | fryfrog: | how do you tailor / tune your encoding? |
| [06:53:41] | fryfrog: | i usually just let handbrake use its defaults, i think it goes for some "quality" setting |
| [06:54:03] | wagner: | i crank quality settings up to nearly full |
| [06:54:28] | wagner: | and then run 0.12 to 0.17 bits per pixel depending on the complexity of the movie |
| [06:54:40] | wagner: | if theres a lot of motion and grit, i use higher values |
| [06:54:46] | wagner: | on a calm movie, i use lower values |
| [06:55:05] | fryfrog: | to much work for me, i'm a lazy bastard :/ |
| [06:55:51] | wagner: | total personal time put into a rip is about 10 minutes |
| [06:56:13] | wagner: | that include ripping, indexing, cropping, encoding, and muxing |
| [06:57:22] | fryfrog: | what do you use? |
| [06:58:01] | wagner: | dvdfab hd decrypter, dgindex, avisynth, megui, neroaac, mkvmerge |
| [06:58:12] | fryfrog: | ah, wow super manual and all that |
| [06:58:59] | wagner: | but like i said, it really doesnt take much of my time |
| [06:59:29] | wagner: | ripping and indexing takes about 30 minutes, and then i just queue up the encode, and come back to mux it later |
| [07:00:19] | wagner: | total time for a 2hr movie is just under 4 hours (3GHz C2D) |
| [07:00:29] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [07:03:13] | wagner: | actually that 4hr is what it would have taken at 2.2GHz |
| [07:03:24] | wagner: | ive not tried encoding anything since OCing |
| [07:03:51] | fryfrog: | I tried taking my 333x9.5 -> 400x9.5, but with stock fan i don't think it'll work |
| [07:04:01] | fryfrog: | vista booted and everything seemed fine, until i started up a game |
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| [07:04:21] | fryfrog: | then... it just sort of stopped working. i was able to shut down and stuff, but... the game just sort of locked/froze |
| [07:05:12] | fryfrog: | E8400 I think is the Intel name of the cpu |
| [07:05:44] | fryfrog: | math says "3163.5mhz" :p |
| [07:06:12] | fryfrog: | to 3800mhz, i guess my 600+ mhz overclock ware not happy :( |
| [07:06:25] | wagner: | the 8000 series werent very good overclockers |
| [07:06:39] | wagner: | stock bus was too high, so the multiplier was low |
| [07:07:41] | wagner: | the 8400 wasnt a 9.5 (i dont think) |
| [07:08:04] | wagner: | i thought it was 8 or something |
| [07:08:43] | fryfrog: | the bios on my MB says "9.5" and "333" |
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| [07:09:57] | wagner: | the 8400 is only 9.0 |
| [07:10:02] | wagner: | the 8500 was 9.5 |
| [07:10:05] | fryfrog: | ahh |
| [07:10:35] | fryfrog: | are intel cpus still multiplier locked? |
| [07:10:44] | fryfrog: | i *swear* it seems like my MB is adding a .5 |
| [07:10:52] | fryfrog: | cause now that you mention it, there are *two* fields |
| [07:10:58] | fryfrog: | one has "9.0" in it |
| [07:11:04] | wagner: | only the 'Exterme' versions are unlocked |
| [07:11:08] | fryfrog: | and the other has a "0.5" in it |
| [07:11:20] | fryfrog: | like the mb is somehow bumping the multiplier by .5 |
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| [07:13:27] | wagner: | ah, the 8200 was 8.0 |
| [07:13:35] | wagner: | i had thought the 8400 was the low end of the 8 series |
| [07:16:01] | fryfrog: | humm, maybe i screwed up my ram speed |
| [07:16:18] | fryfrog: | been a while since i bothered screwing around with this stuff |
| [07:18:17] | robbins61: | anyone here use a BNC? |
| [07:18:23] | robbins61: | vhost |
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| [07:31:51] | Varak_: | anyone have myth running with a skywalker 1 |
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| [07:58:30] | directhex: | robbins61, what's the point, compared to just running a bip proxy on some box somewhere? |
| [07:59:30] | wagner: | robbins61, what's the point, ive never used one except when the server did its own masking, and ive never been targeted as a result |
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| [10:16:00] | gbee: | anyone using trunk with the freesat eit fix? |
| [10:17:55] | directhex: | people use trunk? fo' realz? |
| [10:19:14] | gbee: | well maybe it's just me ;) |
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| [10:35:38] | justinh: | directhex: just read that one of the comments about that chav vid on youtube said that kid ended up having his foot amputated. call me sick but that just makes it all the more funny |
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| [10:36:15] | directhex: | justinh, doesn't surprise me. other comments say nothing worse than a broken ankle, though |
| [10:37:16] | justinh: | those things are seriously heavy on their own let alone 3 of them combined |
| [10:37:47] | directhex: | indeed |
| [10:38:10] | directhex: | i sincerely doubt some chavs would manage to raise all of them enough to extract his leg |
| [10:39:35] | justinh: | wonder how tough he was waiting for the fire brigade & ambulance crew to turn up ;) |
| [10:39:53] | justinh: | god I'm sick |
| [10:40:03] | AndyCap: | Ow, ow, ow. lord what an idiot |
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| [10:42:12] | EvilGuru: | He did kind of ask for it |
| [10:42:36] | justinh: | kind of. pfff |
| [10:43:02] | AndyCap: | next time, bring a sledgehammer and do a proper job. |
| [10:43:17] | directhex: | om nom nom nom |
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| [10:53:47] | riotten: | hi...can anyone tell where i found mythTV themes?+ |
| [10:53:57] | riotten: | obviously a nice one |
| [10:54:33] | justinh: | miffteevee.co.uk |
| [10:54:51] | justinh: | and look in the wiki for the rest |
| [10:55:29] | riotten: | thanks |
| [10:59:00] | justinh: | wheee almost halfway into my cd burning now |
| [10:59:03] | justinh: | again |
| [10:59:04] | gbee: | justinh: your site offline now? |
| [10:59:12] | justinh: | gbee: yup |
| [10:59:32] | gbee: | ahh :( Guess I'll remove the link then |
| [11:00:07] | AndyCap: | directhex justinh ROFL: check the description of the acoustic fencing http://www.ndpfencingcentre.co.uk/concrete.htm |
| [11:00:54] | directhex: | AndyCap, cheaper to run than an electric fence, and more painful for the vandal!# |
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| [11:01:27] | AndyCap: | they take the Anti-vandal part seriously. :) |
| [11:08:12] | justinh: | if I could just suggest one small change to the design |
| [11:08:41] | justinh: | a sharpened steel plate in the centre, protruding top & bottom |
| [11:09:13] | justinh: | MOAR NOM :) |
| [11:09:19] | directhex: | om nom nom? |
| [11:12:08] | justinh: | that gif's got me in bits again |
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| [11:12:27] | justinh: | it shouldn't be *that* funny |
| [11:13:04] | directhex: | om nom nom nom |
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| [11:16:28] | z|Casey: | Hello! |
| [11:18:34] | justinh: | gawd no need to shout |
| [11:19:03] | z|Casey: | Hehe |
| [11:19:08] | ** justinh lines up a game of 'guess the TV show theme tune' for later ** | |
| [11:19:42] | z|Casey: | I was wondering if anyone could spare a minute to help me out? |
| [11:20:02] | justinh: | nah I'm busy |
| [11:20:18] | fryfrog: | this is a user help channel, so if someone can help they probably will :) |
| [11:20:22] | gbee: | z|Casey: depends what you are going to ask :) |
| [11:20:23] | justinh: | oh wait, this is IRC isn't it? I just have to type stuff. Fire away |
| [11:21:16] | gbee: | z|Casey: general rule is to just ask the question, if someone knows the answer or is free to help they will :) |
| [11:21:24] | z|Casey: | Well I have setup mythtv and firstly I could not use WatchTv in the frontend but I have now managed to fix that however I can only hear sound and get no video, and also my mythtv seems to be stuck in windowed mode. |
| [11:22:49] | thoraxe: | mythtv runs in windowed mode? |
| [11:23:02] | thoraxe: | z|Casey: what os, what desktop manager, what version of mythtv? |
| [11:23:14] | directhex: | sniff sniff |
| [11:23:19] | thoraxe: | justinh: i actually played that the other day with someone |
| [11:23:19] | directhex: | i smell a hint of compiz with... |
| [11:23:28] | thoraxe: | justinh: he was really good. he couldn't get blossom though |
| [11:23:29] | gbee: | thoraxe: it can, usually doesn't because it's not designed to be a desktop application |
| [11:23:39] | directhex: | is that a soupcon of... hm... non nvidia? |
| [11:23:48] | thoraxe: | gbee: never seen it run that way so i wouldn't know hehe |
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| [11:23:58] | thoraxe: | z|Casey: and what videocard |
| [11:24:06] | z|Casey: | I am running ubuntu, gnome and I am not sure which version of mythtv – and compiz is disabled |
| [11:24:08] | z|Casey: | and its an nvidia |
| [11:24:42] | gbee: | it's a fixed size window, non-resizeable although Daniel is working on allowing video to be resized and I've an idea to let the UI resize |
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| [11:28:08] | dramman: | I've finally got my LCD (antec fusion black) and remote (winfast dtv2000H on /dev/input/event6) working – but mythtv isn't receiving remote controll events, and not updating LCD |
| [11:28:58] | gbee: | dramman: have you enabled the LCD in the frontend settings? |
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| [11:29:38] | dramman: | gbee – yes |
| [11:30:17] | dramman: | The LCD was working – then I started messing with the extra lircd daemon to get the remote working |
| [11:30:56] | dramman: | All I get now is LCDproc server screen, but it's actually showing that it's got "Cli: 1 Scr: 7" |
| [11:31:37] | dramman: | also, "irw" works, but even the "key editor" in mythtv doesn't hear the lirc events |
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| [11:33:28] | thoraxe: | doh he left |
| [11:34:01] | thoraxe: | dramman: why do you need an "extra" lircd? |
| [11:36:17] | thoraxe: | don't you need a keymap to correlate your remote keypresses into actual system keys? like remote right -> right arrow? |
| [11:36:19] | dramman: | Apparently the imon LCD ir receiver doesn't pick up all ir signals – only the specific imon/mce signals hard coded into the firmware, so I've got an extra ir receiver plugged into my tv card. The imon LCD still needs to use lirc though (apparently) – also, there's a knob on the front which also uses lirc. |
| [11:36:35] | thoraxe: | ah ok, that makes sense |
| [11:36:52] | thoraxe: | the hauppauge pvr150 receiver is the same way — it can only receive signals from the hauppauge remote |
| [11:36:59] | dramman: | ...both the knob and the tv remote work with "irw" |
| [11:37:17] | thoraxe: | irw just tells you you have a working lircd |
| [11:38:00] | thoraxe: | i think your lircd.conf is what maps incoming remote codes to human-readable actions right |
| [11:38:11] | gbee: | iirc myth only connects to a single lircd at a time |
| [11:38:25] | dramman: | how can I add debug messages to /etc/init.d/LCDd and get them to show up in "dmesg" or another log file? |
| [11:38:28] | thoraxe: | but isn't there another file that maps lirc events to keypresses? |
| [11:38:35] | gbee: | .lircrc |
| [11:38:52] | dramman: | gbee – that's ok, (in theory) I |
| [11:39:24] | dramman: | ...(in theory) I've got the 2nd connected to the 1st |
| [11:39:33] | thoraxe: | does a program "bind" to an actual lircd? is that how it works? |
| [11:39:51] | thoraxe: | i thought lircd just told the "system" that a button had been pressed |
| [11:40:22] | thoraxe: | (would not be the first time i've been wrong, and won't be the last time today :P ) |
| [11:41:31] | dramman: | I think the way it works is that programs just listen to events on a socket localhost:8765 |
| [11:42:29] | dramman: | ...can I run a command to listen to that port? |
| [11:43:27] | thoraxe: | dramman: irw? lol |
| [11:43:43] | thoraxe: | ok time to head out |
| [11:43:49] | thoraxe: | brbiaf |
| [11:50:59] | directhex: | hm. Manos: The Hands of Fateis only 26th worst film on imdb |
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| [12:03:14] | directhex: | undiluted awesome: http://videogum.com/archives/the-ultimate-arg . . . _010339.html |
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| [12:21:00] | the-FoX: | what's the best solution to include video-/radio-streams in mythtv? |
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| [12:23:31] | directhex: | playlist files in mythvideo |
| [12:24:13] | directhex: | justinh, were there further posts on that "u dont believe me, its broked!" thread? |
| [12:24:56] | justinh: | I dunno |
| [12:28:44] | the-FoX: | directhex: playlists in mythvideo? do you have an howto for this? |
| [12:28:49] | mzb_d800: | thoraxe: afaik, the daemon shoves the commands it receives into a socket, which the client(s) then receive (layman's interpretation;)) ... what I've found is that one daemon can talk to the socket, but many clients can listen (* not sure about that bit) |
| [12:29:17] | directhex: | the-FoX, make a .asx file, set up a file extension to load up asx files in mplayer |
| [12:29:18] | directhex: | easy |
| [12:29:37] | mzb_d800: | but using the network ability of ircd you can overcome that "binding-effect" limitation anyway |
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| [12:34:53] | mzb_d800: | the-FoX: there's a simplistic way of achieving playlists by having a (initially dummy|empty) playlist file with an associated application ... the associated app can be a script which updates or creates the playlist file before it's played .... xine (for example) has a playlist option for playback |
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| [12:35:29] | mzb_d800: | (dynamic playlists, that is) |
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| [13:04:14] | justinh: | playlist functionality in mythvideo wouldn't be too hard to add in theory, but I'd be after making the same capability to other areas too |
| [13:04:53] | directhex: | abusing asx files is still the easiest way to play arbitrary urls in mythvideo |
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| [13:20:53] | ** dustybin looks forward to karaoke features in music and singing along to the greatest hits of tina turner :P ** | |
| [13:20:58] | dustybin: | *myth |
| [13:21:24] | ** justinh looks forward to carving up dustybin & feeding the remains to a pig farm ** | |
| [13:21:35] | dustybin: | :0 |
| [13:22:29] | ** justinh ... still trying to wind up on bash.org after all this time ;) ** | |
| [13:22:36] | justinh: | (not really) |
| [13:23:29] | justinh: | still not finished ya know dustybin – burning CDs again cos my player doesn't like the outer tracks when they're burned at 16x |
| [13:23:47] | justinh: | cutting it fine now too |
| [13:23:49] | dustybin: | jeeze what a pain |
| [13:24:06] | ** directhex is on bash ** | |
| [13:24:13] | justinh: | might also be because they're not red book CDs if they're > 74 mins long |
| [13:24:13] | dustybin: | justinh: couldnt you just take a laptop with you and play them through traktor |
| [13:24:18] | justinh: | traktor's shite |
| [13:24:26] | justinh: | and I don't have a laptop |
| [13:24:30] | dustybin: | it does its job |
| [13:24:31] | dustybin: | ok |
| [13:24:42] | justinh: | nothing beats a proper player with REAL controls |
| [13:24:49] | dustybin: | yep true i guess |
| [13:24:59] | directhex: | vinyl! |
| [13:25:01] | justinh: | and loops. and sampling. and tricks :) |
| [13:25:13] | directhex: | http://www.bash.org/?329959 |
| [13:25:19] | justinh: | vinyl is ok but it's heavy & takes up fackloads of space |
| [13:25:51] | justinh: | muhahahaha |
| [13:25:57] | directhex: | vinyl or wma. CHOOSE NOW! |
| [13:26:07] | justinh: | neither |
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| [13:27:05] | justinh: | dustybin: if I was to go with a laptop I'd get final scratch or ableton live |
| [13:27:41] | justinh: | final scratch works on BeOS! |
| [13:27:52] | dustybin: | nice |
| [13:28:10] | dustybin: | ive used ableton a few times, its handy for creating the perfect mix |
| [13:28:12] | directhex: | justinh, beos rocks your socks! |
| [13:28:28] | justinh: | there are some nifty OSS mixing tools too – Mixxx.com IIRC |
| [13:28:35] | dustybin: | you can actually save your whole mix in ableton and come back to it later, you cannot do that in traktor |
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| [13:28:52] | justinh: | I tried ableton once – couldn't make head nor tail of it. would need to RTFM for sure |
| [13:29:20] | dustybin: | justinh: you basically lay down all your tracks you want mixed, then mix them just how you want them |
| [13:29:45] | dustybin: | then you can save the whole mix and come back to it another time |
| [13:29:54] | justinh: | smells like proper cheating |
| [13:30:00] | dustybin: | yes it is totally |
| [13:30:31] | justinh: | though I save loop & cue points to my player's memory |
| [13:30:53] | justinh: | so that's cheating too |
| [13:30:57] | dustybin: | aye |
| [13:31:25] | dustybin: | as long as the tunes are good and the mix sounds good, who cares |
| [13:32:17] | justinh: | sets by numbers. too many big names are guilty of that |
| [13:32:36] | dustybin: | the good thing about using the FLAC format, when you use tools like traktor and ableton, there will be less downgrade in audio quality than if you was using mp3s |
| [13:32:59] | justinh: | this is why I'm taking so much stuff tomorrow. I'm only on 4 hours but I can take it anywhere I want |
| [13:33:02] | dustybin: | using FLAC is the same as mixing real CDs |
| [13:33:32] | justinh: | I don't see much point in FLAC anymore. there's not that much of a space saving to be had |
| [13:33:47] | justinh: | just ave it large as wav instead |
| [13:34:07] | dustybin: | aye could do, storage is pretty cheap, but you do save a fair amount |
| [13:34:29] | dustybin: | a FLAC is about the same size as a 320kbps MP3, maybe slightly more |
| [13:34:35] | justinh: | really? |
| [13:34:37] | dustybin: | aye |
| [13:34:50] | EvilGuru: | dustybin: Normally around 600, for rock/metal, less for classical |
| [13:34:52] | justinh: | will have to do a proper test some time |
| [13:34:52] | dustybin: | thats why 320kbps are never recommended, you might as well go FLAC |
| [13:34:53] | gbee: | would have said it was twice that |
| [13:34:54] | justinh: | when I have time |
| [13:35:10] | directhex: | flac's ~50–66% smaller than cdda |
| [13:35:27] | dustybin: | i learnt all about that from here: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org |
| [13:35:30] | justinh: | none of the dj players support it :( |
| [13:35:36] | EvilGuru: | dustybin: A fine site |
| [13:35:39] | justinh: | mp3 or wma, or wav |
| [13:35:39] | dustybin: | aye |
| [13:36:24] | justinh: | apparently those OSS mixing thingies can be used with the encoded vinyl sold with Final Scratch |
| [13:36:41] | justinh: | all you need is an RIAA preamp & audio interface |
| [13:36:42] | directhex: | justinh, of course they don't support it, silly. increasing format support using bsd-licensed libs is bad! |
| [13:37:13] | gbee: | I'd probably settle on a higher rate ogg, or even mp3, I'm not an audiophile and in normal listening I'd not notice |
| [13:37:20] | EvilGuru: | I think FLAC will be the dominant loss-less format |
| [13:37:32] | directhex: | EvilGuru, ALAC. |
| [13:37:57] | EvilGuru: | I do not think it is going anywhere, outside of iTunes |
| [13:38:54] | directhex: | being first, best, or cheapest, has nothing to do with popularity |
| [13:39:03] | directhex: | strictly speaking, lossless is going nowhere. it's niche. |
| [13:40:06] | EvilGuru: | I also can not see Apple really pushing it. As how do you apply DRM to a loss-less format |
| [13:40:24] | dustybin: | my whole ripped music collection is FLAC, i have nifty litle bash scripts what can transcode into other formats, like, mp3 for my ipod |
| [13:40:25] | directhex: | he same way you apply it to a lossy format? |
| [13:41:06] | EvilGuru: | directhex: It only really works for a lossy format because people do not like to re-encode an already compressed track (so burn to CD => rip => encode) |
| [13:41:19] | PatrickDK: | mp3 for ipod? why not use aac? |
| [13:41:46] | directhex: | PatrickDK, because a 5 year old write-up he read said faac wasn't very good |
| [13:42:03] | EvilGuru: | With a loss-less format one can just transcode it to anything with no loss whatsoever |
| [13:42:06] | dustybin: | PatrickDK: there is no difference in sound quality when you are encoding at 256kbps, between lame mp3 and aac, the only benefits of aac is when you are encoding a lower bit rates, then you will notice |
| [13:42:11] | PatrickDK: | evilguru, only people that care don't re-encode compressed stuff |
| [13:42:15] | PatrickDK: | normal people do it all the time |
| [13:42:31] | justinh: | I'd only ever go compressed to uncompressed |
| [13:42:34] | justinh: | never re-encode |
| [13:42:49] | ** justinh cares about quality :) ** | |
| [13:42:57] | directhex: | panda -> bacon |
| [13:43:06] | PatrickDK: | heh, maybe I'm just on an aac kick cause the ipod and my phone only play aac audio on videos |
| [13:43:49] | dustybin: | the aac encoder on linux doesnt sound as good as apples aac encoder, the last time i checked anyway |
| [13:43:59] | directhex: | tempted to migrate to aac |
| [13:48:06] | dustybin: | this is how you can import flac into itunes on os x |
| [13:48:08] | dustybin: | interesting |
| [13:48:09] | dustybin: | http://people.xiph.org/~arek/flac_import/ |
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| [13:48:52] | ** EvilGuru just uses VLC ** | |
| [13:49:58] | rooaus: | dustybin: Or just install rockbox on your ipod and playback flac that way :) |
| [13:50:04] | dustybin: | i got a FLAC playing in quicktime on os x :-) |
| [13:50:14] | dustybin: | rooaus: my ipod is too new |
| [13:51:47] | rooaus: | dustybin: That sucks |
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| [13:54:53] | dustybin: | now i got itunes playing FLAC :-) |
| [13:56:02] | dustybin: | so now if it wanted, i could convert my entire FLAC collection using apples AAC encoder |
| [13:56:17] | dustybin: | this is how i done it: http://earpick.wordpress.com/2007/06/11/how-t . . . unes-on-mac/ |
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| [14:20:26] | directhex: | "sky hd" is dead. long live "sky+ hd" |
| [14:20:51] | justinh: | long live anything with sky in the name? how's that possible? |
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| [14:33:30] | EvilGuru: | gbee: Chances are they RTFM |
| [14:36:43] | gbee: | stop day dreaming |
| [14:37:19] | sid3windr: | =) |
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| [14:40:40] | EvilGuru: | Wishful thinking I guess |
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| [14:50:31] | Kelerion: | hey guys |
| [14:50:55] | Kelerion: | quickie... when I was doing this a long time ago... you had to sort out ivtv yourself... am i right in thinking its in the kernel now? |
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| [14:55:32] | directhex: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwymOX6ey_g |
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| [14:58:34] | dustybin: | bill gates is going to quit MS this friday? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7461783.stm |
| [14:58:37] | dustybin: | good timing? |
| [14:59:38] | |Torg|: | good riddance |
| [14:59:44] | dustybin: | :-) |
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| [15:00:02] | dustybin: | he knows himself, that the future of MS is in doubt |
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| [15:09:07] | dustybin: | can the: Hauppauge Media MVP Personal Multimedia Player be used as a SD myth frontend? |
| [15:09:07] | justinh: | I've often wondered how much of the hate directed towards microsoft is actually justified. they're only doing the same as any other company would. give apple the size of market share MS has & I suspect they'd be even 'worse' |
| [15:10:45] | cskowronnek: | agree |
| [15:10:59] | jams: | dustybin- not a full frontend, but yes it works well enough to playback mpeg recordings |
| [15:12:18] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [15:12:39] | |Torg|: | it was a joke :P |
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| [15:13:32] | |Torg|: | hell a large portion of my income comes from working on Microsoft Windows systems |
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| [15:19:40] | justinh: | I wish the systems I have to configure every day were as reliable & easy to install as windows! |
| [15:20:02] | justinh: | and that they'd take as little time as windows does to install |
| [15:20:24] | justinh: | with as few reboots as a windows system during installation |
| [15:20:31] | justinh: | ;) |
| [15:20:38] | directhex: | windows is nowhere near as bad as some proprietary systems i deal with daily |
| [15:20:52] | dustybin: | what kind of channels can you pick up on hotbird6–8? |
| [15:21:02] | dustybin: | do SKY dishes point at hotbird6–8? |
| [15:21:08] | justinh: | would rather watch fitbird 1–10 |
| [15:21:16] | justinh: | Sky == Astra |
| [15:21:23] | directhex: | dustybin, no |
| [15:21:32] | directhex: | dustybin, sky points to 28E, horbird is 13E |
| [15:21:37] | dustybin: | oh ok |
| [15:21:40] | PatrickDK: | justinh, it's not really that |
| [15:21:57] | PatrickDK: | it's the fact, you can find a big security hole, report it, eaily re-produce it |
| [15:22:01] | dustybin: | could you connect one of them motorized dishes to mythtv? |
| [15:22:03] | PatrickDK: | and microsoft will claim it doesn't exist |
| [15:22:14] | PatrickDK: | then magically 2–4months later a patch for it comes out |
| [15:22:18] | directhex: | dustybin, 13°E lineup is on http://www.lyngsat.com/hotbird.html |
| [15:22:25] | dustybin: | thanks |
| [15:22:34] | directhex: | dustybin, myth supports motors, but it's all undocumented |
| [15:23:01] | dustybin: | ok |
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| [15:23:23] | justinh: | yay for undocumentation |
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| [15:24:48] | justinh: | no doubt plenty people have worked it all out, it's just that nobody documented it yet |
| [15:24:57] | dustybin: | does anyone here use DVB-S and pick up and watch BBC HD on a regular basis? |
| [15:25:22] | |Torg|: | I have a DVB-S card and watch BBC on a regular basis :) |
| [15:25:25] | justinh: | I imagine Freesat HD STB owners do, yeah |
| [15:25:29] | |Torg|: | but ot with my DVB-S card :P |
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| [15:26:04] | justinh: | anyway I thought the only things to watch on a regular basis are repeats |
| [15:26:13] | dustybin: | lol |
| [15:26:30] | |Torg|: | its better then US BBC, its only two years old |
| [15:27:05] | PatrickDK: | heh, us bbc is just crap |
| [15:27:40] | |Torg|: | there showing season 2 of mi-5 (I think you call it Spooks) and Torchwood currently |
| [15:28:07] | justinh: | they make spooks in HD? coool |
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| [15:28:43] | dustybin: | am i right in thinking that anything was is being filmed from this day and age will be in HD |
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| [15:28:55] | justinh: | nope |
| [15:28:58] | dustybin: | :-( |
| [15:29:00] | justinh: | dustybin: dr poo is still SD |
| [15:29:08] | dustybin: | jeeze why? |
| [15:29:11] | justinh: | currently no plans to shoot it in HD |
| [15:29:13] | justinh: | dustybin: COST |
| [15:29:19] | dustybin: | hmm |
| [15:29:45] | justinh: | torchwood's FX are done on a 2 BBC micros. so they can afford to do it in HD :P |
| [15:29:51] | |Torg|: | you would have to change out all the cameras and recording equipment |
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| [15:30:23] | justinh: | and budget for HD ready sets, FX, costumes.. |
| [15:30:34] | justinh: | the gear price isn't all that great |
| [15:30:40] | justinh: | the ancilliaries are |
| [15:30:42] | directhex: | hd-ready plastic surgery... |
| [15:30:54] | justinh: | hd=ready dentistry |
| [15:31:15] | justinh: | no more holding daleks together with gaffa tape :P |
| [15:32:06] | directhex: | they gotta upgrade to duck tape? :o |
| [15:32:37] | |Torg|: | umm thats DUCT not duck, its for puting together AC DUCTS :P |
| [15:32:47] | sid3windr: | no no |
| [15:32:53] | sid3windr: | have you ever seen a duck fall apart? |
| [15:32:56] | sid3windr: | of course not. |
| [15:33:03] | sid3windr: | it's used to make ducks! |
| [15:33:47] | directhex: | |Torg|, duck is a brand of heavy duty adhesive tape |
| [15:34:00] | |Torg|: | yes I knwo they sell a brand called duck |
| [15:34:58] | |Torg|: | and what you want is the US military version of it, used to patch holes in aircraft wings (like from bullet holes), called 100 MPH tape |
| [15:35:47] | hadees: | |Torg|, DUCT tape actually sucks at putting together AC ducts |
| [15:36:05] | PatrickDK: | hadees, I love the people that use it on flue pipe :) |
| [15:36:08] | |Torg|: | I dindt say it was good, just that its called duct tape, not duck tape |
| [15:36:41] | cesman: | ever seen a duck duct taped? |
| [15:37:07] | wagner: | |Torg|: duck tape is a brand, and it kicks 3M's ass |
| [15:37:11] | hadees: | |Torg|, well i mean that is what it was initially used for but no one who actually knows what they are doing would ever use it for that, it has since taken on it's own uses |
| [15:38:16] | |Torg|: | wagner: I generally dont use it, my own enginnering does not invlolve large ammounts of duct tape, baining wire, nor chewing gum. Much to the contrary of my neighbors |
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| [15:39:00] | wagner: | ah, i use it all the time |
| [15:39:25] | hadees: | wagner, i always thought it was just a gimmick tape because people always think the tape is called duck tape |
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| [15:39:55] | |Torg|: | http://www.duckproducts.com/ |
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| [15:42:02] | Kelerion: | The History |
| [15:42:02] | Kelerion: | The first name for Duct Tape was Duck. During World War II the U.S. Military needed a waterproof tape to keep the moisture out of ammunition cases. So, they enlisted the Johnson and Johnson Permacel Division to manufacture the tape. Because it was waterproof, everyone referred to it as “duck” tape (like water off a duck’s back). Military personnel discovered that the tape was good for lots more than keeping out water. The |
| [15:42:02] | Kelerion: | y used it for Jeep repair, fixing stuff on their guns, strapping equipment to their clothing... the list is endless. |
| [15:42:03] | Kelerion: | After the War, the housing industry was booming and someone discovered that the tape was great for joining the heating and air conditioning duct work. So, the color was changed from army green to the silvery color we are familiar with today and people started to refer to it as “duct tape.” Therefore, either name is appropriate. |
| [15:42:19] | Kelerion: | oh crap...that didn't look as long on the page...sorry.. lol |
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| [15:42:46] | directhex: | moar widescreen! |
| [15:42:53] | ** Kelerion chuckles ** | |
| [15:43:42] | PatrickDK: | heh, duct tape is horrid on a/c units |
| [15:43:55] | PatrickDK: | it just doesn't stick well, and is always peeling off |
| [15:44:44] | |Torg|: | silence is golden......duct tape is silver |
| [15:45:17] | wagner: | i recently shipping something wrapped in duct tape |
| [15:45:40] | wagner: | they had to rewrap it in packing tape, because apparently the duct tape comes off during shipping |
| [15:46:57] | directhex: | yeah, it does that |
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| [16:02:05] | esoteric|laptop: | I am having some serious problems. all recording audio has stopped working through my spdif out, however DVD ISO or DVD playback through Internal player still works |
| [16:02:10] | esoteric|laptop: | but ends up crashing mythfrontend |
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| [16:02:22] | esoteric|laptop: | no changes have been made to my system, this just started happening yesterday |
| [16:03:09] | esoteric|laptop: | http://pastebin.com/m525fa58b <-- there is the log related to a recording audio |
| [16:03:19] | esoteric|laptop: | however /dev/mixer does exist! |
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| [16:05:03] | iamlindoro_: | !trout everyone mean-son-of-a-bitch |
| [16:05:03] | ** MythLogBot slaps everyone with a mean-son-of-a-bitch trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... ** | |
| [16:05:31] | esoteric|laptop: | iamlindoro_: any ideas? |
| [16:05:36] | wagner: | so that would be a.... half trout, half dog? |
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| [16:06:26] | esoteric|laptop: | I have looked back as far as I can look in my mythfrontend logs (like a month) and the mixer error has always been there, but now I have no audio! |
| [16:06:37] | wagner: | ive had considerable trouble with ALSA being glitchy |
| [16:06:54] | wagner: | youve tried restarting ALSA? restarting the machine? |
| [16:07:03] | esoteric|laptop: | restarted the machine twice already |
| [16:07:29] | esoteric|laptop: | with DVD playback and DVD ISO playback I get audio, but mythfrontend crashes |
| [16:07:40] | wagner: | is mpeg2 a valid spdif stream? |
| [16:07:54] | esoteric|laptop: | wagner: it was working just fine |
| [16:07:57] | esoteric|laptop: | then stopeed |
| [16:07:59] | esoteric|laptop: | stopped* |
| [16:07:59] | wagner: | or would that have to be converted to LPCM/AC3? |
| [16:09:20] | esoteric|laptop: | idk, but I get my AC3 surround out of dvd playback just fine, though mythfrontend has been crashing on my when I do dvd playback for some reason (its not consistent as to when it crashes) |
| [16:09:26] | esoteric|laptop: | wagner: I think it is converted |
| [16:09:41] | esoteric|laptop: | but I am not positive, the logs don't show anything wrong |
| [16:13:31] | esoteric|laptop: | hrm, aplay <wav> isn't working now |
| [16:23:52] | EvilGuru: | esoteric|laptop: #alsa |
| [16:24:03] | EvilGuru: | (They don't bite /that/ hard) |
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| [16:58:47] | iamlindoro_: | Jesus tapdancing Christ, could this tool on the -users list be any more of an ass?? |
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| [17:23:48] | wagner: | i should subscribe to the list to see what you people are talking about |
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| [17:28:29] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagner: Just head over to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv and browse the archives... ;-) |
| [17:28:39] | wagner: | im there currently |
| [17:28:46] | AndyCap: | but is the tool? |
| [17:29:04] | wagner: | 'but'? |
| [17:29:51] | AndyCap: | ok. I'll rephrase. what is the tool talking about? |
| [17:30:14] | AndyCap: | is it the memory usage ticket? |
| [17:30:20] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, Udo |
| [17:31:19] | AndyCap: | when his written word is not enough. |
| [17:31:41] | wagner: | why does he have 7 virtual tuners? |
| [17:32:01] | wagner: | are you ever going to get 8 things you want to watch on the same multiplex? |
| [17:32:02] | AndyCap: | painted himself into a nice corner there with VIA |
| [17:32:20] | AndyCap: | wagner: someone mentioned that he was recording 3 channels 24/7 |
| [17:33:13] | AndyCap: | and come on, if you really need to do that you could buy some decent hardware that could pull valgrind in a pinch. |
| [17:35:13] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | My backend has been running for 8–1/2 days, and is using 131MB of 2GB... With 3 HD tuners and a Hauppauge PVR-500... |
| [17:35:25] | wagner: | did he somehow manage to statically link his backend? |
| [17:35:43] | wagner: | so virtual usage IS physical usage? |
| [17:35:46] | AndyCap: | valgrind is not withing his field of influence?!? |
| [17:38:32] | |Torg|: | wow my myth must have a memopry leak becase mine is at 221M of memory usage, almost twice that of J-e-f-f-A |
| [17:39:50] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Mine's using 131MB resident, and 727MB Virtual after running 8–1/2 days... |
| [17:39:52] | AndyCap: | ZOMG 257M!!/ |
| [17:40:12] | wagner: | 27M... weeee! |
| [17:40:37] | |Torg|: | there it just went to 227M its growing, see memory leak |
| [17:40:38] | AndyCap: | oh, resident. 23M .:) |
| [17:40:39] | EvilGuru: | Not this guy again |
| [17:40:42] | EvilGuru: | He was funny :) |
| [17:40:43] | clever: | debug build, 7044mb resident |
| [17:40:47] | clever: | 236mb virtual |
| [17:40:52] | clever: | wait typo |
| [17:40:52] | |Torg|: | ok fine, resident is 17M :P |
| [17:40:54] | clever: | 7044kb |
| [17:41:08] | AndyCap: | and it's been running for hmm. 270 days. |
| [17:41:09] | clever: | mythtv 5622 0.8 1.3 242024 7044 pts/1 Sl+ Jun11 104:05 mythbackend -v network,upnp |
| [17:41:15] | clever: | 8 days |
| [17:41:22] | wagner: | 270 days... thats impressive |
| [17:41:33] | |Torg|: | mines been up for 45 |
| [17:41:52] | AndyCap: | I should get around to upgrading for that 0.21 goodness though. but it's such a chore, and it works fine |
| [17:41:58] | wagner: | i usually reboot mine every few weeks for one reason or another |
| [17:42:01] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work had a power failure last week, too long for the UPS to keep the system running... ** | |
| [17:42:02] | |Torg|: | I cant get myth to stay on top tho, only top is on top :) |
| [17:42:06] | esoteric|laptop: | question, my audio doesn't come back after I pause a recording |
| [17:42:12] | |Torg|: | I upgraded the kernel |
| [17:42:14] | EvilGuru: | I do quite like the multiplexing support |
| [17:43:19] | Dibblah: | Argh. And I tried to *be nice* and *help*. |
| [17:43:26] | wagner: | ive got 6min of cpu usage on my primary, 2min on my secondary |
| [17:43:28] | Dibblah: | Stupid bugger. |
| [17:43:31] | wagner: | and thats after about a week each |
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| [17:43:41] | AndyCap: | mine counts 1136 CUP minutes. |
| [17:43:49] | AndyCap: | s/CUP/CPU/ |
| [17:44:19] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | 112 mins here... 8 days 15:03 uptime... |
| [17:44:28] | clever: | mine 104:05 over 8 days, pvr150 |
| [17:44:49] | wagner: | ive only recorded one show in the last week, so thats probably why |
| [17:45:18] | wagner: | the mid-season pause really sucks |
| [17:45:28] | clever: | ive been recording little because im not home to watch |
| [17:45:35] | clever: | and my drive is rapidly filling |
| [17:45:44] | |Torg|: | 3:30:02 on mine, I rebuilt fixes at 17486 yesterday duign the day, and it recorded about 3 hours of tv last night |
| [17:45:49] | wagner: | in that same time, mysql has consumed 63 minutes |
| [17:46:05] | esoteric|laptop: | wagner: I got my audio issue worked out from earlier today, but now when I pause a recording and start playing again I don't get audio back |
| [17:46:12] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work has had 10 programs record since midnight... ;-) ** | |
| [17:46:36] | wagner: | esoteric|laptop: no idea what would cause that |
| [17:46:38] | |Torg|: | sorry it did 2 hours 35 mins of recordings |
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| [17:47:41] | clever: | mysql 22506 2.0 10.5 135040 23564 pts/7 Sl Jun01 519:09 /usr/sbin/mysqld --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --user=mysql --pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid --skip-external-locking --port=3306 --socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| [17:47:57] | clever: | 23mb resident, loads of cpu usage |
| [17:49:06] | Dibblah: | clever: Looks like you don't have query caching enabled / very small. If you're not RAM limited, I would suggest it :) |
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| [17:49:42] | Dibblah: | Well, if "that guy" is expecting any further help from me, he can pay for it. |
| [17:49:42] | clever: | Dibblah: 223484 kb total ram |
| [17:49:50] | Dibblah: | Oh, right. |
| [17:50:14] | clever: | and query cache is on i bleeleive |
| [17:50:29] | wagner: | damned unicode |
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| [17:50:38] | Dibblah: | Needs to be quite large to help with the BUQ. |
| [17:50:54] | clever: | but rescheduling sped up a good deal when i cancled 30–50 rules |
| [17:51:33] | clever: | yeah |
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| [17:51:40] | clever: | that BUQ is damn big |
| [17:51:42] | wagner: | yeah, i should probably go through my schedule and figure out what shows have been cancelled |
| [17:52:28] | Dibblah: | ... And ugly. |
| [17:53:03] | clever: | :P |
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| [17:53:30] | clever: | it looks like it would be trivial to switch mysql out for sqlite from the way everything is using the qt database api |
| [17:53:45] | clever: | but the problem would be the performance of the buq and the small mysql features |
| [17:53:58] | clever: | and the remote frontends |
| [17:54:37] | wagner: | yeah, with sqlite, all queries would have to be routed through the backend |
| [17:54:51] | Dibblah: | Which is actually a bonus. |
| [17:55:04] | Dibblah: | Since 30% of the Myth questions are DB access things. |
| [17:55:05] | wagner: | although the same thing is true with the semi-planned move to embedded mysql |
| [17:55:55] | Dibblah: | Please, please noone reply to "that guy". |
| [17:56:06] | Dibblah: | It's really just prolonging the pain. |
| [17:57:23] | clever: | id think sqlite would help with the database backup stuff |
| [17:57:29] | clever: | posibly guide data |
| [17:57:43] | clever: | attach a sqlite db with the program table:P |
| [17:58:08] | clever: | then your guide data bacomes a single download of a large sqlite db |
| [17:58:10] | PatrickDK: | heh, as long as I can keep mine on an external mysql instance, I will be happy |
| [17:58:27] | PatrickDK: | clever, how would that work? |
| [17:58:37] | PatrickDK: | there are way too many different datasets for that to work |
| [17:58:45] | wagner: | yeah, ive already got mysql running for other purposes, id rather just keep it there |
| [17:59:03] | clever: | have 1 db file for every cable/sat provider |
| [17:59:14] | clever: | and maybe a seperate one for 'totday' revisions |
| [17:59:16] | PatrickDK: | clever, wouldn't work |
| [17:59:25] | PatrickDK: | what if I have 3 providers? |
| [17:59:32] | PatrickDK: | I would have to merge the data somehow |
| [17:59:35] | clever: | download 3 db's |
| [17:59:44] | PatrickDK: | that is just ugly |
| [17:59:49] | |Torg|: | I use mysql for much more then just mythtv, I dont even run mysql on any of my myth boxes |
| [18:01:17] | clever: | insert into program select * from importprogram; |
| [18:01:17] | clever: | detatch database teimport; |
| [18:01:45] | PatrickDK: | clever, can't do that |
| [18:01:53] | PatrickDK: | cause of channel numbering |
| [18:02:18] | PatrickDK: | unless we are going to make another layer of indirection to match channel numbers with service/channel |
| [18:03:03] | clever: | damn wifi |
| [18:03:21] | clever: | attach database provider1.db3; |
| [18:03:30] | clever: | insert into program select * from importprogram; |
| [18:03:34] | clever: | detatch database; |
| [18:03:53] | clever: | now youve merged the db into the main one |
| [18:03:57] | dustybin: | in the magazine "linux format" it says "We're in the process of trying to organise a feature on MythTV – watch this space!" |
| [18:04:15] | esoteric|laptop: | I am getting "WriteAudio: buffer underrun" in my mythfrontend logs |
| [18:04:30] | clever: | there |
| [18:04:38] | clever: | now after 5mins the other ssh window recovers |
| [18:07:27] | clever: | PatrickDK: update program set channumber=(select channumber from channel where xmlid=xmlid); |
| [18:07:39] | clever: | PatrickDK: that type of query can patch up the imported data from a 2nd table |
| [18:10:46] | esoteric|laptop: | anyone here using digital audio? |
| [18:11:08] | PatrickDK: | it's it all digital? till it gets to the soundcard? |
| [18:11:28] | esoteric|laptop: | anyone using digital spdif sound from the computer to an amp? |
| [18:11:32] | clever: | some systems even leave the sound card digital till it hits the amp:P |
| [18:11:38] | clever: | like that! |
| [18:11:56] | clever: | i have spdif out on alot of things, but no in so its useless to me |
| [18:12:09] | esoteric|laptop: | clever: for some reason (this just started) when I pause a recording and start it again my amp no longer plays the sounds |
| [18:12:45] | esoteric|laptop: | I don't think it is the amp given all my other mysterious audio issues that I have had the last couple days |
| [18:12:56] | |Torg|: | I run spdif coax from a sound card to an amp, works fine |
| [18:13:14] | esoteric|laptop: | |Torg|: have you ever had issues with pausing a playback? |
| [18:13:16] | ** clever goes out ** | |
| [18:13:35] | |Torg|: | I pause it, rewind it, fast forward it, edit cut points, and play it |
| [18:14:24] | esoteric|laptop: | I just started having a lot of problems with my audio these last few days |
| [18:14:28] | esoteric|laptop: | and I can't figure out why |
| [18:14:30] | |Torg|: | I would suggest you run MFE in the forground, -v all,nodatabase and see what it tells you when the sound does not work |
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| [18:14:48] | |Torg|: | can you recreate the problem accuratly? |
| [18:14:49] | esoteric|laptop: | |Torg|: I am |
| [18:14:53] | esoteric|laptop: | yes |
| [18:14:56] | esoteric|laptop: | but I get no logs |
| [18:15:00] | |Torg|: | and what does MFE tell you? |
| [18:15:24] | esoteric|laptop: | |Torg|: here's the deal, for some reason the amp doesn't detect the sound again after a pause |
| [18:15:41] | esoteric|laptop: | I doubt it is my amp cause I don't have any problems with it in any of my other devices |
| [18:15:45] | |Torg|: | what does MFE say? |
| [18:15:58] | esoteric|laptop: | the only audio errors I am getting are ... |
| [18:16:44] | esoteric|laptop: | http://pastebin.com/md9d0b8c |
| [18:17:11] | |Torg|: | go check your alsa setup |
| [18:17:35] | esoteric|laptop: | okay where? |
| [18:18:10] | |Torg|: | try #alsa |
| [18:18:22] | esoteric|laptop: | I have been there all day |
| [18:18:23] | esoteric|laptop: | :) |
| [18:18:55] | |Torg|: | pastebin your asound.conf |
| [18:19:13] | |Torg|: | also what does aplay -l and aplay -L tell you |
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| [18:20:46] | esoteric|laptop: | |Torg|: asound.conf -> http://pastebin.com/m2e492632 |
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| [18:21:01] | esoteric|laptop: | |Torg|: alsa info -> http://pastebin.ca/1051283 |
| [18:21:10] | esoteric|laptop: | in the alsa info you will find the aplay info as well |
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| [18:22:17] | |Torg|: | how do you connect this to your amp? |
| [18:23:15] | esoteric|laptop: | coax spdif |
| [18:23:57] | |Torg|: | I dont know then, sorry other then the fact your alsa is setup for digital only |
| [18:24:14] | esoteric|laptop: | how is yours setup? |
| [18:24:20] | esoteric|laptop: | my current config is new |
| [18:24:30] | esoteric|laptop: | my audio stopped working completely today |
| [18:24:35] | esoteric|laptop: | er 3 days ago |
| [18:24:40] | |Torg|: | do you output to ALSA:default? |
| [18:24:50] | esoteric|laptop: | in my mythtv settings? yes |
| [18:24:54] | |Torg|: | and mine is custom made, I also use a differnt distro then you |
| [18:25:06] | |Torg|: | what is mixer set to? |
| [18:25:10] | esoteric|laptop: | /dev/mixer |
| [18:25:18] | |Torg|: | set it to default |
| [18:25:51] | esoteric|laptop: | mixer controls stay as PCM? |
| [18:26:08] | |Torg|: | yes |
| [18:26:26] | esoteric|laptop: | should I get rid of my .asound files? |
| [18:27:05] | esoteric|laptop: | i just created those today trying to get this thing working again |
| [18:27:11] | |Torg|: | no but it will overrride your asound.conf |
| [18:27:21] | esoteric|laptop: | well my asound.conf is new today |
| [18:27:32] | esoteric|laptop: | I never had that before and my system worked just fine |
| [18:28:03] | |Torg|: | what is in the .asoundrc? |
| [18:28:11] | esoteric|laptop: | same as asound.conf |
| [18:28:21] | esoteric|laptop: | well I removed the .asoundrc |
| [18:28:32] | esoteric|laptop: | because I made my sound settings global (today) |
| [18:28:36] | |Torg|: | then it wont make any differnce |
| [18:28:45] | esoteric|laptop: | btw after changing the mixer to default I don't have audio |
| [18:28:48] | esoteric|laptop: | and I get this error ... |
| [18:28:57] | esoteric|laptop: | mixer unable to find control Master 1 |
| [18:29:44] | |Torg|: | add a ctl.!efault to your asound.conf |
| [18:29:53] | |Torg|: | err ctl.!default |
| [18:30:04] | esoteric|laptop: | not pcm.!default |
| [18:30:27] | |Torg|: | pcm is sound output, ctl is controler i.e mixer settings |
| [18:30:49] | esoteric|laptop: | what should be the contents of ctl.!default? |
| [18:31:15] | |Torg|: | type hw, card 0 |
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| [18:31:38] | esoteric|laptop: | okay restarting mythfrontend |
| [18:32:01] | |Torg|: | you dont have to restart MFE, restart alsa |
| [18:32:14] | esoteric|laptop: | how? |
| [18:32:35] | |Torg|: | mainly load and unload drivers, you probbly have an init scipt to do it |
| [18:33:34] | esoteric|laptop: | yeah |
| [18:33:37] | esoteric|laptop: | I get an error |
| [18:33:48] | esoteric|laptop: | http://pastebin.com/mee0ef90 |
| [18:34:22] | |Torg|: | that just means they were already loaded |
| [18:34:34] | |Torg|: | try MFE again |
| [18:35:04] | esoteric|laptop: | nope |
| [18:35:14] | esoteric|laptop: | get the same error and no audio |
| [18:35:32] | esoteric|laptop: | doh |
| [18:35:33] | esoteric|laptop: | nevermind |
| [18:36:15] | esoteric|laptop: | okay audio is kinda working |
| [18:36:21] | esoteric|laptop: | I still think mythtv is doing something funky |
| [18:36:39] | esoteric|laptop: | cause the amp isn't detecting the audio all the time and it never detects it after a pause |
| [18:36:44] | esoteric|laptop: | which it never had this problem before |
| [18:37:02] | |Torg|: | well like I said you have it set for digital only |
| [18:37:30] | |Torg|: | does your card take its DSPs and tie then into the SPDIF out or does it simply dump packets out SPDIF? |
| [18:37:51] | |Torg|: | can you play audio with something like mplayer or mpg123? |
| [18:38:09] | esoteric|laptop: | yes I can play audio with mplayer |
| [18:38:12] | |Torg|: | does speaker-test work, even if it only does the front channels? |
| [18:38:20] | esoteric|laptop: | let me try |
| [18:38:50] | ** directhex backs up his myth box for a ferormat ** | |
| [18:40:15] | esoteric|laptop: | |Torg|: no |
| [18:40:29] | esoteric|laptop: | Channels count (1) not available for playbacks: Invalid argument |
| [18:40:29] | esoteric|laptop: | Setting of hwparams failed: Invalid argument |
| [18:40:34] | |Torg|: | ok add device 1 to your ctl.!default section |
| [18:41:19] | |Torg|: | is there anything conntected to the card expect for the coax? |
| [18:42:39] | esoteric|laptop: | no |
| [18:43:04] | |Torg|: | then add the device line to your ctl.!default |
| [18:43:24] | esoteric|laptop: | did that still get the error with speaker-test |
| [18:43:50] | esoteric|laptop: | I still get audio with mplayer |
| [18:44:17] | |Torg|: | you have to tell speaker test how many speakers you have, it defaults to 1, mono and you have no mono setting in alsa |
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| [18:44:32] | |Torg|: | after you add that line, try mfe again |
| [18:44:33] | directhex: | why do we end up being #alsa in here? |
| [18:45:11] | esoteric|laptop: | after adding the device line? |
| [18:45:12] | esoteric|laptop: | okay |
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| [18:46:40] | esoteric|laptop: | |Torg|: audio works, but if I pause it the amp no longer sees the signal, if I power the amp off then on again during the playback after a pause audio comes back |
| [18:46:45] | esoteric|laptop: | does that make sense? |
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| [18:47:30] | |Torg|: | sounds like your amp has issues then |
| [18:47:31] | esoteric|laptop: | I still get the speaker-test error after specifying the channel number |
| [18:48:25] | esoteric|laptop: | all my other devices work fine with mythtv |
| [18:48:31] | esoteric|laptop: | doh with my amp |
| [18:48:44] | esoteric|laptop: | just mythtv audio has been messed up and now it doesn't work with my amp right |
| [18:49:19] | |Torg|: | well I dont know what else to tell you other then determine why it cant open the mixer after pausing, its not normal myth behavior |
| [18:50:34] | esoteric|laptop: | mfe doesn't produce any erros |
| [18:50:36] | esoteric|laptop: | errors |
| [18:50:47] | esoteric|laptop: | and I still can't do speaker-test |
| [18:52:10] | |Torg|: | speker test is analog it does not do digital, I wanted you to run it to be sure your digital out was not pre passed though yout dsp chips |
| [18:52:30] | |Torg|: | in other words you have a dumb audi card, it does not do any signal processing |
| [18:52:47] | esoteric|laptop: | |Torg|: I specified 2 channels and speaker-test work just fine |
| [18:55:00] | esoteric|laptop: | I really wish I knew what happened to my system to make everything stop working properly |
| [18:55:54] | esoteric|laptop: | |Torg|: on dvd playback the amp detects the audio encoding change and switches everything over just fine |
| [18:56:37] | esoteric|laptop: | but when I leave dvd playback the amp still stays in the last mode like mythtv never sent the signal to let it know it was done with that audio feed if that makes sense |
| [19:05:22] | esoteric|laptop: | shouldn't I have a /dev/dsp? |
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| [19:10:29] | esoteric|laptop: | is better to use OSS? |
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| [19:22:21] | Ace2016: | I finally built my mythtv system |
| [19:22:39] | stuarta: | \o/ |
| [19:22:44] | Ace2016: | man that scared me half to death, i built it and i pressed the power button and nothing happened |
| [19:22:57] | Ace2016: | nothing at all, no beeps nothing, no power up, it was all connected |
| [19:23:00] | ** stuarta suspects the power cord ** | |
| [19:23:05] | Ace2016: | nope |
| [19:23:10] | Ace2016: | i had to use the remote control to turn it on |
| [19:23:17] | stuarta: | eh? |
| [19:23:28] | Ace2016: | yea remote control, its a media center |
| [19:23:36] | Dagmar: | Better than -clik-FWOOM! tho'. |
| [19:23:52] | stuarta: | it's always bad when the smoke escapes |
| [19:23:52] | Ace2016: | but that wasn't the end of it |
| [19:24:08] | Ace2016: | after that there was nothing, no audio, no video, no beeps |
| [19:24:44] | Ace2016: | finally found the ram wasn't in properly and it finally booted |
| [19:24:52] | Ace2016: | man troubleshooting would have been hell |
| [19:24:55] | Ace2016: | everything was from ebay |
| [19:25:04] | Ace2016: | and not exactly new |
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| [19:25:38] | Ace2016: | imon totally rocks |
| [19:25:43] | Dagmar: | Okay... hint: no ATX power supply should require more than a prod to PWR to light up |
| [19:26:06] | Ace2016: | but it has imon |
| [19:26:30] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, oooh, it has BrandName! |
| [19:26:37] | Dagmar: | And you wired the 'normal' power switch wrong. |
| [19:26:41] | iamlindoro_: | But my PC has Microsoft! |
| [19:26:52] | Ace2016: | oh |
| [19:27:00] | Ace2016: | wait a sec |
| [19:27:10] | Ace2016: | how can the power switch be wired the wrong way around? |
| [19:27:24] | iamlindoro_: | By you reversing the two leads to the MoBo |
| [19:27:35] | Dagmar: | That's not what I said. |
| [19:27:38] | Ace2016: | but the power switch just shorts them right? |
| [19:27:51] | Ace2016: | well the power switch is on the motheboard |
| [19:27:54] | Ace2016: | motherboard* |
| [19:27:55] | Ace2016: | oh |
| [19:28:02] | Dagmar: | It's a freakin SPST-momntary |
| [19:28:10] | Ace2016: | unless i wasn't pressing the power switch, there was another button next to it |
| [19:28:18] | Dagmar: | LOL |
| [19:28:22] | iamlindoro_: | This will end in tears |
| [19:28:32] | Dagmar: | And blood. |
| [19:28:34] | Ace2016: | but the big button should be the power switch |
| [19:28:57] | Dagmar: | If you read the pinout right |
| [19:29:07] | Ace2016: | oh relax it works if you turn it on via the remote |
| [19:29:17] | Ace2016: | well it works up to bios |
| [19:29:33] | Ace2016: | well it shows the post screen, didn't go into bios |
| [19:29:44] | Ace2016: | had to put my desktop back together |
| [19:29:45] | iamlindoro_: | Yep, I'd say things are going swimmingly, then |
| [19:29:53] | Dagmar: | I should hope not |
| [19:30:06] | iamlindoro_: | </sarcasm> |
| [19:30:30] | Ace2016: | i doubt there is anyting wrong with it |
| [19:30:45] | Dagmar: | Generally you have to hit F2 or something for it to go into the BIOS |
| [19:30:59] | stuarta: | or del, or f8 |
| [19:31:05] | iamlindoro_: | Besides the miswired power button and the not booting, yep, all according to plan |
| [19:31:17] | Ace2016: | yea i just moved my desktop motherboard to the media centre and swapped in a slower cpu |
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| [19:31:48] | Ace2016: | ok i'll install mythbuntu on it now |
| [19:32:21] | Ace2016: | would motherboard screws make a difference |
| [19:32:39] | Dagmar: | If it does it on it's own it's generally a sign that the BIOS settings got scrambld and it knows it |
| [19:32:41] | Ace2016: | i had to share a few between the desktop and the media centre, the case was second hand and had no screws, it has raisers |
| [19:32:59] | Dagmar: | ummm |
| [19:33:41] | Ace2016: | screws will be here on monday |
| [19:34:11] | Dagmar: | ...provided you didn't put them IN THE WRONG PLACES causing major short-circuiting. |
| [19:34:23] | Ace2016: | but i added everything to the motherbaord before putting it on the raisers |
| [19:34:31] | ** Ace2016 is not that dumb ** | |
| [19:35:19] | Dagmar: | You wouldn't have been the first person to eff that up. |
| [19:35:39] | Ace2016: | but i have experience |
| [19:37:02] | Dagmar: | Generally someone saying 'power button does nothing' and 'I'm new to this' is signaling that they have mounted the mobo directly against the backplate. |
| [19:37:34] | Ace2016: | i told you that was imon |
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| [19:38:05] | Dagmar: | ...and you put the MB in first and -then- plug things into it. |
| [19:38:33] | Dagmar: | The mb needs that grounding. |
| [19:38:39] | Ace2016: | thats what i did, the ata/sata and power cables |
| [19:38:44] | iamlindoro_: | Ace2016, iMon is just a type of VFD/IR receiver combo-- it has nothing to do with your ability to properly wire the power button. The fact that your physical power button is not operational means that something is miswired |
| [19:39:16] | Ace2016: | theres no way i could have wired the power button wrong, just not possible, i read the manual online |
| [19:39:34] | Dagmar: | God onl knows what side effect is letting iMon turn it on |
| [19:40:00] | Dagmar: | Pft. You could have misread |
| [19:40:02] | iamlindoro_: | Ace2016, nonetheless, if your power button does not work, the fault is with you or the mobo. But your VFD ahs *nothing* to do with it |
| [19:40:22] | Ace2016: | oh actually the power switch seems to have come out of the pins |
| [19:40:59] | Dagmar: | Pretty much all mbs use the same pinou |
| [19:42:10] | Dagmar: | Time to break out the hot glue |
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| [19:47:02] | Ace2016: | there is a red light on inside my case |
| [19:47:32] | Ace2016: | on the motherboard, is this a new feature? |
| [19:47:50] | Dagmar: | Nope |
| [19:48:14] | Dagmar: | Sorry I am typing hella slow |
| [19:48:34] | Dagmar: | I am stuck on the PDA right now |
| [19:49:36] | Dagmar: | LED on the mb could mean a few things |
| [19:50:17] | Dagmar: | ...usually it just means ON or powered/sleeping |
| [19:51:17] | esoteric|laptop: | at least you all arent having the problems i am :) |
| [19:51:36] | Ace2016: | whats wrong? |
| [19:51:54] | Dagmar: | We don't patronize those kinds of women. |
| [19:51:57] | Dagmar: | jk |
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| [19:53:22] | esoteric|laptop: | my audio stopped working, I have that resolved now, but my amp doesn't detect the audio changes any more from myth, for example, if I playback a recording then pause it, after the pause I will no longer have audio (unless I power cycle my amp) ... if I am watching a dvd with surround sound once I leave the dvd, the amp still thinks I am in surround sound and unless I power cycle I can't get audio from any other media |
| [19:53:26] | esoteric|laptop: | this just started happening |
| [19:53:57] | esoteric|laptop: | I know my amp is fine because i detects audio switch just fine with my xbox, my cable and everything else I have hooked to it |
| [19:54:22] | Dagmar: | yay optical |
| [19:54:43] | esoteric|laptop: | mine is coax spdif |
| [19:55:13] | Dagmar: | Same deal |
| [19:55:28] | Dagmar: | Revert your last change |
| [19:55:34] | esoteric|laptop: | I made no changes |
| [19:55:38] | esoteric|laptop: | absolutely none |
| [19:55:48] | esoteric|laptop: | I had to start all over just to get audio working again |
| [19:55:58] | esoteric|laptop: | well just with my sound files and such |
| [19:55:59] | Dagmar: | Lol |
| [19:56:45] | esoteric|laptop: | Dagmar: I mean to say that there were no changes when this started to happen |
| [19:56:57] | esoteric|laptop: | but my audio stopped working completely |
| [19:57:16] | esoteric|laptop: | now I have my audio working again but my amp isn't detecting the changes in audio |
| [19:57:52] | Dagmar: | chaning loation |
| [19:58:26] | esoteric|laptop: | in my mfe logs it used to say channels 6(2) audio now it only says 2(2) which might have something to do with it |
| [19:58:33] | esoteric|laptop: | but I am not sure why it says this |
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| [20:17:34] | iamlindoro_: | Anyone ever noticed how tons and tons of people have created wiki pages of their own names and treated them as user talk pages? |
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| [20:19:44] | Dagmar: | It's the wiki's fault |
| [20:20:05] | directhex: | backup backup backup |
| [20:20:08] | directhex: | 600 gig takes a while |
| [20:20:58] | Dagmar: | Actually, maybe not |
| [20:21:22] | Dagmar: | I've seen templates before thet didn't properly pre-pend "User:" to the name when something was signed with ~~~~, which is what *usually* causes that |
| [20:24:13] | iamlindoro_: | I think I can understand it when it's a dev, there's some relevance there-- but when there are people going, "Hi! mythTV fan here! Here's my l33t b0XX0rs!!11one!!" |
| [20:26:18] | Dagmar: | I just assume that when I click on my name at hte top of the page that its going to go to my user: page |
| [20:26:23] | Dagmar: | Some people probably aren't so picky |
| [20:26:31] | Dagmar: | You *can* move stuff like that you know |
| [20:26:46] | iamlindoro_: | ah, but I can't delete pages :) |
| [20:27:05] | Dagmar: | Of course not |
| [20:27:11] | iamlindoro_: | And they ought to be |
| [20:27:14] | Dagmar: | ...but these people probably don't have User: pages |
| [20:27:28] | Dagmar: | So you move the "I'm a dumbass" page to "User:Imadumbass" |
| [20:28:33] | iamlindoro_: | I'm not worried about their info being in the proper place, I care about the wasted, irrelevant titles appearing in the article listing |
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| [20:31:20] | achew22: | is there a way to define a recorder as inactive between 5pm and 10pm? I would like to be able to use my STB without worrying about manually messing up my recordings and I have 2 recievers that would be active at that time. is this possible or do I have to do a SQL query in a cron job? |
| [20:31:43] | stuarta: | nobody has written that yet |
| [20:31:46] | stuarta: | afaik |
| [20:31:58] | achew22: | okay thanks |
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| [20:47:35] | Dagmar: | That would be insanity |
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| [20:56:56] | clever: | is there a way to hide the title of certain shows |
| [20:57:14] | clever: | the guide in my cable box can hide titles so the 'kids' wont even see 'hot pron' in the guide |
| [20:57:18] | Dagmar: | Tried electrical tape on the screen? |
| [20:57:24] | Dagmar: | Set the parental controls. |
| [20:57:34] | clever: | scrolling would kill the tape idea:P |
| [20:57:41] | clever: | where are they in mythtv again? |
| [20:57:42] | Dagmar: | Not if you use enough tape. |
| [20:57:49] | Dagmar: | "Somewhere" in the frontend setup menus |
| [20:57:55] | clever: | duh:P |
| [20:58:01] | clever: | too much tape blocks stuff i dont want to block |
| [20:58:02] | Dagmar: | If it doesn't work in a reasonable fashion, write up a bug report |
| [20:58:20] | clever: | im actualy thinking of using it to block out kids shows:P |
| [20:58:34] | Dagmar: | I have no kids, and the neighbors might get upset if I "acquired" some for testing anything involving "adult material" so I can't really do much QA on that stuff |
| [20:58:51] | clever: | who wants to see barney on the guide at 21:P |
| [20:58:57] | Ace2016: | I found the problem!!!!! |
| [20:59:04] | Dagmar: | I just delete those channels in SchedulsDirect |
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| [20:59:23] | clever: | the problem is those shows are sometimes mixed on a channel with stuff i do want |
| [20:59:32] | Ace2016: | both imon and the case's power switch want to act as the power supply |
| [20:59:39] | clever: | i could cron up a job to mass delete the show itself from the program table |
| [20:59:44] | Dagmar: | No they don't |
| [20:59:46] | clever: | but thats a bit hacky |
| [20:59:52] | Ace2016: | so i have 2 switches which are both trying to control the power switch |
| [20:59:58] | Dagmar: | I can assure you that the power switch doesn't want to act as a power supply. |
| [21:00:07] | Ace2016: | so in short i have to hook them up in parallel |
| [21:00:40] | Ace2016: | Dagmar: i traced the wires to the sources, one comes from imon, the other is from the power button, they are both marked with power switch marking |
| [21:00:42] | Ace2016: | oh wait |
| [21:00:43] | Ace2016: | i know |
| [21:00:45] | Ace2016: | silly me |
| [21:00:59] | Ace2016: | its supposed to go case power button > imon > motherboard |
| [21:01:07] | Ace2016: | i disconnected the case power button from imon |
| [21:01:26] | ** Ace2016 dances ** | |
| [21:01:47] | clever: | Ace2016: imon? |
| [21:01:51] | Ace2016: | yea |
| [21:01:55] | clever: | which is? |
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| [21:01:59] | Ace2016: | allows you to turn the computer on with a remote control |
| [21:02:06] | Ace2016: | like an actual media center |
| [21:02:08] | iamlindoro_: | He keep using the brand name for his VFd instead of the right word for it |
| [21:02:27] | Ace2016: | vfd is harder to type |
| [21:02:34] | clever: | ahhh |
| [21:02:34] | clever: | ir remote control basicaly? |
| [21:02:50] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, three letters instead of four, all right next to each other on the keyboard... tough one. |
| [21:02:56] | clever: | using an avr i could make a proper ir receiver |
| [21:03:09] | clever: | which could ping the wake on lan line when it picks up the power signal |
| [21:03:16] | clever: | while also acting as a normal lirc receiver |
| [21:03:27] | clever: | its just a mater of getting the parts and code |
| [21:03:33] | Ace2016: | or you could use vfd |
| [21:03:41] | Ace2016: | no imon is better |
| [21:03:49] | Ace2016: | vfd are typed all on the same finger so its slower |
| [21:04:27] | clever: | i can type bits like that by draging my finger across the keyboard at high speed |
| [21:05:03] | Ace2016: | not good for joints is it? to type vfd since you are dragging from right to left |
| [21:05:07] | Dagmar: | Dude. THey're SPST momentaries. |
| [21:05:11] | Dagmar: | Connect them in parallel. |
| [21:05:18] | Dagmar: | This isn't actually a problem. |
| [21:05:57] | Ace2016: | or i could just connect them the way they should be connected |
| [21:05:57] | Dagmar: | Both iMon and the SPST in the front of your case can turn the thing on. |
| [21:05:57] | clever: | but to do that you need to cut the plugs up and rewire them |
| [21:05:57] | clever: | which some people dont do, so theres probly a connector on the imon to run it thru |
| [21:06:12] | Dagmar: | Probably so |
| [21:06:31] | Ace2016: | no i don't |
| [21:06:43] | Ace2016: | i need to connect case > imon > motherboard |
| [21:06:49] | Ace2016: | no cutting of wires |
| [21:07:05] | Ace2016: | yea there is a connector on the imon, but i forgot about it |
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| [21:08:26] | sid3windr: | mm |
| [21:08:38] | sid3windr: | in my case, there's a piece of atx extender which goes in between the psu and the board |
| [21:08:43] | sid3windr: | on that I connect the imon |
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| [21:08:51] | sid3windr: | (it shorts the psu start pins on the connector) |
| [21:09:05] | Ace2016: | i have that also |
| [21:09:17] | Ace2016: | its for power so that imon can stay on and receive the rf on signal |
| [21:12:55] | clever: | using the wake on lan connector you can get power and the wake signal |
| [21:13:09] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [21:13:21] | clever: | but newer boards would have onboard network and no connector |
| [21:13:41] | clever: | pci also would have it |
| [21:13:47] | Ace2016: | huh? |
| [21:13:49] | Ace2016: | why use that? |
| [21:14:04] | clever: | the wake on lan connector has nearly everything you need |
| [21:14:28] | Ace2016: | but you don't want to wake on lan you want to wake on rf signal |
| [21:14:50] | clever: | when you get the proper rf signal |
| [21:14:58] | clever: | you send a short down the wake on lan connector |
| [21:15:02] | clever: | waking the computer |
| [21:15:30] | clever: | gteBjust abise the connector pins for something else |
| [21:15:45] | Ace2016: | or you could just connect to the power switch, and it would always work no matter what motherboard it was or how old it was or who made it (well it has to be atx in this case) |
| [21:15:49] | clever: | my wifi is going nuts atm |
| [21:15:55] | clever: | yeah |
| [21:16:07] | clever: | and it wont get power to run the controler without a 2nd connector |
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| [21:20:01] | justinh: | yay changing cd media solved the problem :) |
| [21:20:49] | justinh: | verbatim == shite |
| [21:21:06] | clever: | i have some mini cd's |
| [21:21:20] | clever: | and they 'expire' 2 months after burning |
| [21:21:32] | clever: | i can see holes in the reflection when looking closely |
| [21:22:17] | justinh: | heh |
| [21:22:30] | clever: | which is clearly the source of bad sectors |
| [21:22:30] | justinh: | I found an original CD with some pretty bad rot the other day |
| [21:22:39] | clever: | fun |
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| [21:29:12] | Dagmar: | justinh: It helps when you don't store the CDs with slices of cheese. |
| [21:29:16] | Ace2016: | ok the tv tuners are in now |
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| [21:32:49] | justinh: | Dagmar: har har |
| [21:33:12] | wagner: | do board still have WOL connectors? |
| [21:33:24] | wagner: | i can remember seeing one recently |
| [21:33:31] | wagner: | s/can/cant/ |
| [21:33:32] | BULLE: | wagner: i dont think so |
| [21:33:47] | GreyFoxx: | most have onboard lan so don't needd the connector anymore |
| [21:33:58] | BULLE: | GreyFoxx: indeed |
| [21:34:01] | justinh: | done burning cds at last! |
| [21:34:10] | justinh: | now all I have to do is turn up & play |
| [21:34:26] | wagner: | well even for discrete cards, i thought one of the PCI revisions added standby power so the WOL connector was unneeded |
| [21:34:40] | Ace2016: | gl & hf |
| [21:34:56] | BULLE: | wagner: might very well be, or pci-e i guess, pci is rapidly going away |
| [21:35:08] | Ace2016: | :'( |
| [21:35:14] | wagner: | pci isnt rapidly going anywhere |
| [21:35:15] | ** Ace2016 will miss pci ** | |
| [21:35:17] | Dagmar: | Thought TCP/IP and Ethernet, WEB Server is able to reliable apply to local network, the data fingerprint machine store up can be watch and deal via long distance network, with browser it is not need to administrator or person specifically assigned go to local for to acheive task collect data, upload and download data, as well as upgrade system, not have other software and tools. |
| [21:35:25] | wagner: | its still somewhat difficult to find a lot of stuff in PCIE |
| [21:35:36] | wagner: | tuner cards have only recently become available |
| [21:35:43] | BULLE: | wagner: many new motherboards only have one single pci slot, the rest is pci-e |
| [21:35:44] | wagner: | network cards are still typically PCI |
| [21:36:07] | BULLE: | but sticking a 1gbit nick on a pci buss, and bang, you have basicly saturated that buss |
| [21:36:28] | wagner: | BULLE: maybe micro-atx boards, and high end boards with 3–4 x16 slots |
| [21:36:28] | BULLE: | if you push full speed and the nic is good |
| [21:36:30] | Dagmar: | That's a "typical" section from the manual on these new fingerprint readers we have here at work. |
| [21:36:34] | Dagmar: | ...which run MIPS linux. |
| [21:36:43] | Dagmar: | ...and do not appear to have the source anywhere. |
| [21:36:49] | Dagmar: | This will be fun. |
| [21:36:55] | BULLE: | wagner: i was more thinking of the mini-atx boards, with integrated graphics etc |
| [21:37:21] | wagner: | well they never had more than 3 to begin with |
| [21:37:57] | Dagmar: | Only nutters put gigE cards in PCI slots. |
| [21:38:28] | wagner: | ive got a handful of PCI gigE cards, although thats from before PCIE was available |
| [21:38:51] | BULLE: | Dagmar: indeed |
| [21:39:05] | BULLE: | Dagmar: atleast normal pci, eg not pci-x |
| [21:39:25] | Dagmar: | You don't have to say "not pci-x" |
| [21:39:33] | wagner: | well theyre PCI form factor, but theyre 66MHz capable |
| [21:41:21] | wagner: | although its rare to find consumer boards capable of 66MHz |
| [21:41:31] | directhex: | some PCI-X cards cannot fit in PCI slots |
| [21:41:49] | BULLE: | and you need to have ALL the cards on the buss support 66mhz aswell |
| [21:41:55] | BULLE: | so its pretty painfull to get the speed |
| [21:42:25] | Dagmar: | Ah here we go. Shrinky-Dink video http://www.shrinkydinks.com/video/video_hq.html |
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| [21:42:48] | Dagmar: | *Perfect* for making custom case badges. |
| [21:44:08] | sid3windr: | directhex: why not? |
| [21:44:32] | Dagmar: | sid3windr: Conservation of matter |
| [21:44:43] | sid3windr: | you mean there's shit in the way on the board to make it fit? :P |
| [21:44:53] | sid3windr: | I mean stuff, exsqueeze me ;) |
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| [21:45:29] | wagner: | are you looking to start making mythtv case badges? |
| [21:45:49] | directhex: | sid3windr, magic fingers |
| [21:46:41] | directhex: | sid3windr, see the notches on http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons . . . Ethernet.jpg ? |
| [21:46:42] | wagner: | looking for a happy fun ending? |
| [21:46:46] | Dagmar: | Ah, and in case i've not just been talking to myself, here's where to get the inkjet-friendly sheets |
| [21:46:46] | Dagmar: | http://www.goestores.com/catalog.aspx?storena . . . amp;detail=1 |
| [21:47:21] | sid3windr: | directhex: yes, looks like they're all there for both 3.3v and 5v ? you mean that card doesn't fit in a regular pci slot? |
| [21:47:37] | Dagmar: | Exactly. |
| [21:47:45] | directhex: | sid3windr, several cards don't – e.g. LSI megaraid cards |
| [21:47:48] | Ace2016: | BULLE: http://www.realtek.com.tw/products/productsVi . . . amp;ProdID=6 |
| [21:47:57] | sid3windr: | hmm. |
| [21:48:01] | Dagmar: | Some PCI-X cards *require* stuff (like, bandwidth) that normal PCI doesn' have, so they'll key 'em |
| [21:48:16] | Dagmar: | They won't "just" hang off the edge of the PCI slot--they won't fit in there in the first place |
| [21:48:23] | sid3windr: | why would you require bandwidth? :P |
| [21:48:28] | Ace2016: | i saw that on ebay and i thought it was fake so i checked and it was real |
| [21:48:38] | Dagmar: | Because some of these things were made before 66Mhz PCI was that common |
| [21:48:38] | sid3windr: | anyway, very possible — just haven't encountered any (yet) |
| [21:49:00] | directhex: | sid3windr, look at the notches on http://www.tweakers.net/ext/i.dsp/1100636143.jpg versus the keys on http://www.post-in-toronto.on.ca/chuck.kahn/h . . . snap1008.jpg |
| [21:49:07] | Dagmar: | I can't remember hte name of the germany company that makes them, but some of the first gige cards I saw were of the "hangs off the end" type |
| [21:49:18] | Dagmar: | ...they would *not* init gigE if they were in a plain PCI slot. |
| [21:49:26] | sid3windr: | yeah, it's not 5v compatible |
| [21:49:51] | directhex: | sid3windr, hence i have an overpriced pci-x board for my megaraid |
| [21:49:53] | sid3windr: | but those slots look like 64bit PCI 66MHz :) |
| [21:49:56] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [21:50:04] | sid3windr: | define overpriced ;) |
| [21:50:14] | ** sid3windr is not the person to talk to about spending too much on hardware ** | |
| [21:50:41] | sid3windr: | Dagmar: ew, that's a bit silly, many manufacturers make 32bit gige cards even though that would saturate the pci bus :) |
| [21:51:02] | sid3windr: | and now you have PCIe x1 cards which.. have exactly the same bandwidth as a regular pci slot ;/ |
| [21:51:03] | Dagmar: | These guys were German. |
| [21:51:20] | Dagmar: | Clearly they didn't want users complaining they weren't getting full thoughput |
| [21:51:25] | sid3windr: | :P |
| [21:51:39] | Dagmar: | Mind you this was in *2000*. They were one of the first people makin' em |
| [21:52:00] | Dagmar: | Definitely one of the first dozen drivers for gige in the kernel |
| [21:53:47] | Dagmar: | Now... to figure out where the hell I stashed that copy of the pill-shaped MythTV logo |
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| [21:56:49] | directhex: | sid3windr, it was a £180 mobo |
| [21:57:01] | sid3windr: | okay |
| [21:57:29] | sid3windr: | I just pulled an Intel SHG2 from my fileserver (new price no clue, ebayed for 120 EUR or so) |
| [21:57:47] | sid3windr: | and put in a Supermicro PDSMA+, new, priced 233 eur |
| [21:57:52] | sid3windr: | so comes close ;) |
| [21:58:29] | Dagmar: | Craazy |
| [21:58:41] | Dagmar: | I don't think I've ever paid more than $100USd for a motherbaord |
| [21:58:52] | Dagmar: | My last four or five were under $75 |
| [21:59:00] | wagner: | most ive spent is ~$130 |
| [21:59:23] | wagner: | but thats just because i needed two x16 slots |
| [21:59:27] | directhex: | Dagmar, it was a nice theoretical home server board. PCI-X support, also PCIe, ECC RAM support, dual gigabit, etc |
| [21:59:40] | directhex: | i stupidly bought it just before they released the core2-capable revision |
| [22:00:10] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [22:00:16] | sid3windr: | same here, with core2 ;) |
| [22:00:20] | sid3windr: | I like supermicro for my servers |
| [22:00:30] | sid3windr: | both the personal ones and all at work |
| [22:00:40] | sid3windr: | so I decided I wanted quality and not mess every time with crap boards |
| [22:00:45] | Dagmar: | Man I am hating not having spent the $110 on shipping |
| [22:00:52] | sid3windr: | one of the ram sticks on the intel went bad, and it's VERY very very VERY picky about RAM |
| [22:00:56] | sid3windr: | so out went the board |
| [22:01:04] | Dagmar: | If UPS doesn't just leave my delivery by the door tomorrow, they'll be sorry |
| [22:01:23] | sid3windr: | $110 on shipping? what are we shipping and in what time frame?! |
| [22:01:24] | wagner: | cant just call in and pick it up tonight? |
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| [22:01:44] | Dagmar: | sid3winder: That would be "a motherboard, RAM and CPU" on 2-day priority shipping |
| [22:01:46] | PatrickDK: | heh, I spend $110 in shipping all the time |
| [22:02:10] | wagner: | you shipping it internationally or something?? |
| [22:02:12] | sid3windr: | hm, wait, $110 is .. 20 eur? ;) |
| [22:02:15] | Dagmar: | I got the case yesterday because it doesn't take any time at all to ship from Memphis (NewEgg's SE-US fulfillment plant) to Nashville |
| [22:02:18] | PatrickDK: | laptop next day, or a 2u server case at 100lb ground |
| [22:02:22] | wagner: | that much 2-day should be ~$30 |
| [22:02:54] | sid3windr: | 1U server filled with hardware cost me 25 eur to ship in 2 days from germany (to belgium) |
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| [22:02:56] | PatrickDK: | he probably has handling charges added in there, not pure ups/fedex pricing |
| [22:02:59] | Dagmar: | The $110 would have for certain gotten it here in the early am today |
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| [22:03:15] | Dagmar: | ...but for $31 it will arrive tomororw in the afternoon, after I've left for work |
| [22:03:40] | wagner: | well, grab the ticket, and go to the nearest UPS service center |
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| [22:04:07] | PatrickDK: | wagner, not a good idea |
| [22:04:21] | PatrickDK: | grab the ticket, and call and ask what center it's at, and have them hold it there |
| [22:04:35] | wagner: | well its assumed you would call first |
| [22:04:50] | Dagmar: | What? Show up at 1am? |
| [22:05:02] | PatrickDK: | heh, sure it should be open |
| [22:05:07] | PatrickDK: | that is when they do all their processing |
| [22:05:24] | PatrickDK: | I know the fedex one next to me is open 24/7 |
| [22:05:29] | wagner: | the service centers are usually only open from 7–8pm for pickup |
| [22:05:31] | Dagmar: | Here, no |
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| [22:05:34] | Dagmar: | THtey'd be crazy |
| [22:05:37] | Dagmar: | THey're in a bad part of town |
| [22:06:01] | PatrickDK: | well, the one next to me is the main distribution hub for the area |
| [22:06:36] | PatrickDK: | the service center never holds the packages, so I always have to drive there to pick it up |
| [22:06:53] | PatrickDK: | and their double layered security fence and armed guards |
| [22:06:58] | PatrickDK: | it's build like a prison |
| [22:07:05] | PatrickDK: | built |
| [22:07:36] | Dagmar: | The prison is in a safer area |
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| [22:16:31] | wagner: | our service center is about 3 blocks from the distribution hub |
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| [22:32:05] | mjsilva: | what's the saffest way to install mythtv in fedora 8? |
| [22:32:31] | spud1: | I just got backend running. Can't connect frontend. Same machine. IP address is set to localhost. ? |
| [22:33:19] | spud1: | mjsilva: Have you seen mythdora? |
| [22:33:58] | Dagmar: | mjsilva: With adult supervision |
| [22:35:39] | mjsilva: | spud1: mythdora is and appliance I alrady got my fedora 8 running, so I just wanted to install a media center to watch tv once in a while |
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| [22:44:57] | Anduin1: | mjsilva: atrpms packages it, there are guides |
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| [22:56:46] | directhex: | spud1, set to localhost, or set to 127.0.0.1? |
| [22:58:07] | spud1: | tryed localhost, then 127.0.0.1 |
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| [23:02:53] | mjsilva: | tks Anduin1 installing from atrpms, with fingers crossed |
| [23:06:28] | spud1: | opps, backend won't start |
| [23:10:21] | AndyCap: | mjsilva: wilsonet.com |
| [23:10:59] | directhex: | madness. plagiarism simulator Limbo of the Lost has not only nicked content from pretty much every game ever, but from places as far afield as commemorative LOTR figurines and the art for the movie "beetlejuice" |
| [23:12:59] | AndyCap: | mjsilva: just remember that some people in #fedora will shun you for using atrpms. :) |
| [23:13:04] | Dagmar: | Holy shit that thing has EPIC levels of plagiarism |
| [23:13:20] | Dagmar: | Like, I'm kinda impressed they managed to steal graphics assets from so MANY damn places |
| [23:14:18] | Dagmar: | ...and it wasn't just a few pieces here and there. |
| [23:14:36] | mjsilva: | AndyCap: wonder why?! O:-) |
| [23:14:36] | Dagmar: | THey nabbed several whole interior spaces from Oblivion, and a few whole exteriors from Unreal Tournament |
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| [23:14:52] | directhex: | yeah, it's the non-game stuff that impresses now |
| [23:14:56] | Dagmar: | I actually kinda want to keep an eye on PirateBay to try to snag a copy of the game now |
| [23:15:29] | directhex: | http://lotl.wikia.com/wiki/Backgrounds#Weta_Collectibles |
| [23:15:34] | duerF: | anyone familiar with blank program guide info at midnight ? |
| [23:15:56] | sid3windr: | heheh |
| [23:16:03] | sid3windr: | yeah, that was a funny thread I read about the game ;) |
| [23:17:00] | duerF: | well actually after midnight, say a show starts at 23:30 and the next one starts at 00:30, mythtv shows show one from 23:30 to 00:00, unknown from 00:00 – 00:30.. |
| [23:17:16] | dustybin: | Dagmar: piracy is for losers |
| [23:17:22] | iamlindoro: | I like how they give the main character the stupid long hair and goatee that every geek think makes them look awesome, and then give him a physique which no geek in the history of the universe has ever had |
| [23:17:40] | iamlindoro: | and also the stance of a powerlifter |
| [23:17:51] | iamlindoro: | "Which way's the weight room? Never mind, I'll figure it out..." |
| [23:19:09] | sid3windr: | dustybin: would you seriously give these guys cash for their rippage then? :) |
| [23:19:29] | sid3windr: | not to mention that it should be pulled from retail according to the publisher |
| [23:20:50] | Dagmar: | I wouldn't pay them a penny, personally. |
| [23:21:02] | Dagmar: | ...but I suspect this will turn into some kind of epic easter-egg hunt |
| [23:21:13] | Dagmar: | THe levels to which this thing contains *stolen* art is just insanity |
| [23:21:26] | iamlindoro: | Easter egg hunt into the developers bank accounts :) |
| [23:21:41] | Dagmar: | It's only a matter of time before someone figures out where they stole the clothes for the main character |
| [23:22:30] | Dagmar: | I mean, they even stole knotwork for the inventory interface from Diablo, and stole trim from freakin' WoW promotional graphics |
| [23:22:43] | sid3windr: | the title may be comprised out of words from different game's titles! |
| [23:22:54] | sid3windr: | yes, the knotwork is really funny. and sad. |
| [23:24:05] | Dagmar: | I wouldn't be suprised |
| [23:24:30] | ** sid3windr zz ** | |
| [23:24:38] | iamlindoro: | Have you seen the pics of the devs? They are... erm... not young men |
| [23:26:06] | iamlindoro: | http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/08/06/19/2113242.shtml |
| [23:26:09] | iamlindoro: | There's a step |
| [23:26:21] | iamlindoro: | still no work on actual video decode, but it's a step |
| [23:27:03] | iamlindoro: | Heck, I'll even BUY one if they can manage that |
| [23:29:36] | AndyCap: | was this with the open driver? |
| [23:30:01] | iamlindoro: | Apparently the open source driver already works with it, and the binary driver will be released day-and-date |
| [23:30:24] | directhex: | i still want proof |
| [23:30:28] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [23:30:31] | directhex: | remember the delay every previous time? |
| [23:30:35] | iamlindoro: | I want fucking h.264 decode |
| [23:30:45] | directhex: | for reference, gt200 drivers are on nvidia.com now, and i've personally had them for months |
| [23:30:50] | iamlindoro: | but there's no obvious sign that we'll get that |
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| [23:35:37] | whoDat_: | TWC sucks! |
| [23:35:56] | iamlindoro: | all cable companies suck |
| [23:36:08] | GreyFoxx: | iam: I want a reliably ability to play bluray discs under linux without ripping first. then I can worry about gpu decoding :) |
| [23:36:15] | whoDat_: | tis peice of crap just does not want to prime tonight |
| [23:36:38] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: I think the latter will happen before the former, at least officially |
| [23:37:07] | GreyFoxx: | I can't remember if I asked, does powerdvd work if spawned via WINE ? |
| [23:37:18] | GreyFoxx: | I'd buy it and use it if it does |
| [23:37:20] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Nope |
| [23:37:24] | GreyFoxx: | nuts |
| [23:37:25] | whoDat_: | it works in virtualbox heh |
| [23:38:25] | whoDat_: | P2P: receiving packets... FAILED. |
| [23:38:36] | whoDat_: | :( |
| [23:39:44] | GreyFoxx: | I found switching to broadcast much more reliable for me |
| [23:39:50] | whoDat_: | SS Doomtroper looks like a good movie |
| [23:40:13] | whoDat_: | grey, mythprime -v does both |
| [23:40:24] | GreyFoxx: | never heard of mythprime :) |
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| [23:40:36] | GreyFoxx: | I assume its; someone scripting of it all |
| [23:40:40] | iamlindoro: | If you think SS Doomtrooper looks like a good movie, then your cable box is cutting you off for your own good |
| [23:40:41] | whoDat_: | oh? what do you use |
| [23:41:11] | Dagmar: | Hot coals to the eyes |
| [23:41:15] | Dagmar: | That movie is bad |
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| [23:41:22] | Dagmar: | Like, *really* bad |
| [23:41:39] | GreyFoxx: | whod: Just |
| [23:41:46] | GreyFoxx: | . /usr/local/bin/firewire_tester -R |
| [23:41:51] | GreyFoxx: | . /usr/local/bin/firewire_tester -B -n 1 |
| [23:42:01] | GreyFoxx: | with the -B one done twice |
| [23:42:06] | GreyFoxx: | in my rc.local at bootup |
| [23:42:13] | GreyFoxx: | and myth is set to use broadcast for that device |
| [23:42:27] | Dagmar: | Did you ever see that movie 'Maximum Surge'? |
| [23:42:38] | whoDat_: | Action: Attempt to fix broadcast connection 1 times, node 1 |
| [23:42:38] | whoDat_: | Broadcast: Testing...Failed |
| [23:43:00] | GreyFoxx: | whjo: I find it usually fails for me the first time, and then the second works |
| [23:43:05] | Dagmar: | It had Yasmine Bleeth in it, and so many B-actors pulled in for cameos that you'd suspect someone was pulling a list of their old blow buyers for blackmail to get them into the film for 10s |
| [23:43:07] | whoDat_: | i use both... its just as finicky either way |
| [23:43:08] | GreyFoxx: | never have any problems recording after that |
| [23:43:18] | Dagmar: | SS Doomtrooper was worse |
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| [23:43:52] | whoDat_: | dagmar: one actor i recognise but cant think of his name |
| [23:44:01] | Dagmar: | Doogie Howser? |
| [23:44:16] | iamlindoro: | Neal Patrick Harris FTW |
| [23:44:16] | whoDat_: | no he was on SG1 |
| [23:44:21] | Dagmar: | Ah |
| [23:45:27] | whoDat_: | guess its time to reboot the STB |
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| [23:53:28] | whoDat_: | that worked, finally |
| [23:53:31] | ** whoDat_ shakes his head. ** | |
| [23:53:57] | whoDat_: | WALL-E looks so cool hehe |
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