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| [00:08:07] | dustybin: | jeeze freenode is still being DoS'd |
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| [00:11:18] | |Torg|: | it may just be the Inernet in general |
| [00:11:42] | sid3windr: | busted tubes |
| [00:11:52] | |Torg|: | no screwed up routers |
| [00:12:05] | dustybin: | |Torg|: freenode sent a notice out saying it was being attacked |
| [00:12:11] | |Torg|: | ahh |
| [00:12:40] | dustybin: | sid3windr: get back into bitlbee :P |
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| [00:15:23] | Dagmar: | Eventually the kiddies will learn that Chanserv makes DDoS pointless |
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| [00:17:56] | dustybin: | ive never seen anything like this before on IRC |
| [00:18:13] | dustybin: | ive seen the odd netsplit but not constant |
| [00:18:25] | stoneymonster is now known as stoneymonster|aw | |
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| [00:19:59] | Vaelys: | well, freenode is also the worst irc network in the history of irc. |
| [00:20:31] | dustybin: | why? |
| [00:20:37] | |Torg|: | and you say this why? |
| [00:21:06] | dustybin: | network as in the technology it uses? |
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| [00:24:05] | chasep: | Is there a way I can have the audio from an FM tuner on my pvr-250 piped to the line-in on my onboard sound card? I have two tuners, and I am watching something on one of them, but I want to listen to the radio. |
| [00:32:52] | dustybin: | blist all |
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| [00:37:15] | Dagmar: | chasep: THere's no support for doing that in myth |
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| [00:37:58] | Dagmar: | The PVR-250 would also need a line-output for that, and I'm fairly sure they don't have them. |
| [00:38:39] | gizmobay: | Anyone have a link to the archive of IRC? |
| [00:39:11] | Vaelys: | All of it or just select channels? |
| [00:39:27] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [00:39:35] | sid3windr: | lol |
| [00:39:56] | chasep: | Dagmar: I was hoping for some way to redirect things via software anyway. and it really could be either way, 150 for video, 250 for audio, or vice versa. I'm trying to watch baseball and listen to it via the radio cuz i can't stand joe morgan |
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| [00:42:34] | chasep: | what I would need is just a way to redirect the output of /dev/radio25 to /dev/mixer (or one of the line-in's of it) |
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| [00:43:28] | Dagmar: | You would need an application other than MythTV |
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| [00:45:02] | chasep: | i figrued that, but I thought linux might support it directly, and someone hear would know about it |
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| [00:47:08] | cesman: | Yes, *nix supports redirecting |
| [00:47:31] | cesman: | cat /path/to/file > /path/to/new/file |
| [00:47:40] | cesman: | there are many ways to do what you want |
| [00:48:11] | cesman: | rather, many ways to do the same thing in *nix |
| [00:48:53] | chasep: | ive got the radio audio playing while watching tv, only the tv audio is still play too..... |
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| [00:52:25] | Dagmar: | Spend $10 and buy a cheap radio. |
| [00:52:56] | chasep: | and leave the sofa? no way! :-P |
| [00:53:06] | cesman: | chasep: so, you want to watch TV with the audio muted and listen to the radio? |
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| [00:53:22] | iamlindoro: | Ain't morbid obesity grand? |
| [00:53:59] | chasep: | yes. only problem is, that audio from both tuners is coming over the same output, so I can't mute one without muting the other |
| [00:54:07] | chasep: | that i know of |
| [00:54:18] | chasep: | im not fat, im big boned |
| [00:54:40] | cesman: | chasep: what, you think you can make a better story line for the shows you are watching in your head while listening to the radio?! |
| [00:55:12] | chasep: | cesman: I'm watching baseball on ESPN....i'd rather listen to the team's announcers on the radio, than ESPN's |
| [00:55:42] | cesman: | yeah...kinda what I figured... |
| [00:57:07] | cesman: | how about mplayer, xawtv or xine while watching the game w/ the volume turned down and the audio from the 250? |
| [00:58:39] | Varak_: | i think alsa does that crap for you |
| [00:58:39] | Varak_: | but i don't know for sure |
| [00:58:41] | Varak_: | but you could google that and read about it i guess |
| [01:04:23] | chasep: | Varak_: tried google, havent found anything (might not be searching right though)...i |
| [01:04:23] | Varak_: | weoll im saying google alsa |
| [01:04:23] | Varak_: | and see if you can mute individual dynamic channels |
| [01:04:23] | Varak_: | i think it's possible, I just don't know how, I'd google alsa |
| [01:04:23] | Varak_: | anyhow |
| [01:04:23] | chasep: | ah, okay. googling it |
| [01:04:23] | Dagmar: | That will involve reading the ALSA docs. |
| [01:04:23] | Dagmar: | Good effing luck on that. |
| [01:04:23] | Varak_: | http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ try there |
| [01:04:37] | chasep: | thanks....next best thing to an answer is help finding one!! |
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| [01:08:32] | chasep: | ive been told that pulseaudio can control sound from different apps independently, giving that a try |
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| [01:33:57] | wagner: | weee! |
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| [01:35:55] | dustybin: | bloody heck |
| [01:36:54] | wagner: | aint splits grand |
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| [01:44:27] | chasep: | eh, I give up. thanks for all your help anyway |
| [01:45:04] | wagner: | theres just nothing in mythtv to really facilitate the use of radio |
| [01:46:30] | chasep: | wagner:yea, I never really had thought it was something myth could do anyway, i figured it would be more OS level, but that someone here might know of a way |
| [01:46:39] | ** Dagmar points to the log from about two hours ago ** | |
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| [02:00:11] | spud1: | Trying to compile a kernel, gentoo 2.6.24 don't see Conexant cx23416/cx23415 MPEG encoder/decoder support in Device Drivers -> Multimedia Devices -> Video capture adapters -> |
| [02:00:37] | spud1: | getting pvr150 runing |
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| [02:02:35] | wagner: | spud1: its not entirely automatic. you have to edit the config file manually and turn off some 'CONFIG_VIDEO_HELPERS' or something like that |
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| [02:02:50] | wagner: | if you try to compile ivtv, it will warn you of such, and then fail |
| [02:03:26] | wagner: | just make that change, recompile the kernel, and it will ask you a series of yes/no/module questions on what video drivers to include |
| [02:04:16] | spud1: | ok thanks |
| [02:05:37] | wagner: | /usr/src/linux/.config, somewhere around line 1050 is 'CONFIG_VIDEO_HELPER_CHIPS_AUTO' |
| [02:05:49] | wagner: | just unset it, and then continue with compiling the kernel |
| [02:06:24] | spud1: | right |
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| [02:09:56] | wagner: | luckily, once you get the kernel and ivtv built, they should just automagically work |
| [02:12:32] | spud1: | 'CONFIG_VIDEO_HELPER_CHIPS_AUTO' is not in .config |
| [02:12:49] | Dagmar: | Hence, why it's not always useful to tamper with .config manually |
| [02:13:09] | Dagmar: | Use menuconfig, burrow down into the section for V4l2, and slap 'M' in for everything.. |
| [02:13:35] | wagner: | Dagmar: thats what ive been doing the last half dozen times i built a new kernel |
| [02:13:42] | spud1: | ok |
| [02:13:45] | wagner: | each time, its spat out that line |
| [02:14:02] | wagner: | and each time ivtv has complained, forcing me to recompile a second time |
| [02:14:10] | wagner: | not sure what im setting to make that line appear |
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| [02:53:01] | Hoochster: | anyone seen Myth where a slave is reporting according to the slave as connecting just fine to the master but the master isn't seeing the slave connect at all? |
| [02:54:27] | iamlindoro: | Restart the master backend |
| [02:54:42] | iamlindoro: | Then check mythweb status |
| [02:55:13] | Hoochster: | hey iamlindoro what's up! Actually i did restart it, cuz that's what I figured was the prob but that didn't seem to fix it, mythweb doesn't see the tuners active say unavailable. haven't restarted the system just mythbackend of course |
| [02:55:24] | Hoochster: | just wierd never seen the slave say it connected heh |
| [02:55:37] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, weird. |
| [02:55:53] | Hoochster: | just started doing this the other day didn't realize it till today. just thought I would throw it out there will try restarting the pc and see heh maybe something int he network is hung |
| [02:55:58] | Hoochster: | dunno what lol but maybe something lmao |
| [02:56:14] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, I guess so-- Was just what had worked for me in the past :) |
| [02:56:36] | Hoochster: | wouldn't have noticed heh but just bought a new tv for the living room lmao so I took my hd frontend in and hooked it to it and saw that it wouldn't connect when I tried watch tv lmao so started investigating heh |
| [02:56:44] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like you had a setup that *was* working, though, so I'm stumped :) |
| [02:56:49] | Hoochster: | ya same here, if it ever hung I just had to restart the service basically |
| [02:56:56] | Hoochster: | appreciate the reply! |
| [02:56:59] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [02:57:20] | Hoochster: | hows things going well? |
| [02:57:59] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, everything's going well. Goofing around with the HD-PVR lately, that's fun in a bleeding edge sort of way |
| [02:58:20] | Hoochster: | what's that? the hauppage one? |
| [02:58:23] | Hoochster: | is it out finally |
| [02:58:24] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [02:58:30] | Hoochster: | really hmm interesting heh |
| [02:58:51] | Hoochster: | since I got the new TV was thinking bout upgrading DTV to the HD PVR lol, maybe I should just get an HD receiver heh |
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| [02:59:33] | Hoochster: | only other HD I am using is the HDHomerun so would be nice to pass that into Myth heh |
| [02:59:44] | iamlindoro: | horribly backordered and there were some major problems with a large part of the first batch. Only a couple myth users who seem to have unaffected units, so having some fun playing with the alpha linux driver and doing goofy things with it to make it break :) |
| [02:59:59] | Hoochster: | how much did it run? |
| [03:00:04] | iamlindoro: | $250 |
| [03:00:11] | Hoochster: | wow much cheaper than announced nice |
| [03:00:21] | iamlindoro: | Naw, same price |
| [03:00:44] | Hoochster: | I just got a Popcorn Hour here a bit back but haven't had time to goof yet with it. I though the HD PVR was gonna be like $399 or something |
| [03:00:48] | Hoochster: | maybe I just read an old release |
| [03:01:01] | iamlindoro: | $250 on the first day release :) |
| [03:01:06] | iamlindoro: | press release, that is |
| [03:01:24] | Hoochster: | hmm okie dokie either way not a bad price at all |
| [03:01:29] | Hoochster: | IF it can be made work right heh |
| [03:01:55] | iamlindoro: | It's off to a strong start, the driver is working pretty well, captures look great as long as you crank the bitrate up |
| [03:02:11] | Hoochster: | someone taking notes on the wiki? |
| [03:02:19] | iamlindoro: | Yep, I've been keeping notes |
| [03:02:23] | Hoochster: | good deal |
| [03:02:31] | iamlindoro: | Howto and lots of little gotcha are there |
| [03:02:40] | Hoochster: | great. might check into it |
| [03:02:44] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HD-PVR |
| [03:02:48] | Hoochster: | thanks |
| [03:03:02] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [03:03:58] | superm1: | iamlindoro, would you be able to test something for me? |
| [03:04:07] | iamlindoro: | superm1: sure |
| [03:04:08] | superm1: | i've got the coreavc package just about ready to submit to ubuntu |
| [03:04:18] | superm1: | iamlindoro, do you know how to use bzr? |
| [03:04:24] | iamlindoro: | Never used it |
| [03:04:39] | superm1: | okay i've got a few steps i'll walk you through then if your willing :) |
| [03:04:56] | iamlindoro: | sure, I've got recordings running, I presume you're going to need a recompile? |
| [03:05:10] | superm1: | this is just testing the dshowserver binary |
| [03:05:14] | superm1: | to make sure it comes together right |
| [03:05:22] | superm1: | the myth patch will come after this part is verified |
| [03:05:31] | Hoochster: | what is it you are doing superml? I use coreavc myself |
| [03:05:49] | superm1: | Hoochster, what i'm doing is making coreavc a possible package in ubuntu archives |
| [03:05:49] | iamlindoro: | ah, ok, go ahead |
| [03:05:57] | superm1: | and then there will be another libmyth package that uses it |
| [03:06:01] | superm1: | after i get coreavc in place |
| [03:06:05] | superm1: | start out by installing bzr iamlindoro |
| [03:06:07] | Hoochster: | nice, I use plain Debian but glad to see someone is putting it into a package. |
| [03:06:10] | superm1: | it's in apt/synaptic etc |
| [03:06:24] | iamlindoro: | yeah, all set |
| [03:06:30] | Hoochster: | so I assume it isn't the professional version of coreavc then heh |
| [03:06:33] | superm1: | Hoochster, i'll get this into debian eventually too i hope, but i think it will be easier to do if more packages adapt these coreavc patches directly |
| [03:06:53] | superm1: | iamlindoro, okay now type "bzr co http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~motu/coreavc/ubuntu" |
| [03:06:54] | Hoochster: | or are u just making the dshowserver stuff work and peeps still have to supply their ax file |
| [03:07:04] | superm1: | Hoochster, the latter |
| [03:07:08] | Hoochster: | ahh cool |
| [03:07:18] | superm1: | i'm going to write some nice debconf stuff hopefully that can extract it for you and such |
| [03:07:21] | iamlindoro: | superm1: Two seconds, need to run downstairs while it does the checkout |
| [03:07:33] | Hoochster: | nice to hear superml |
| [03:07:34] | superm1: | but that'll take a little extra effort. I'd like to get the basic stuff in first |
| [03:08:27] | iamlindoro: | superm1: checkout's done |
| [03:08:46] | superm1: | iamlindoro, okay now install cdbs, debuild, and fakeroot |
| [03:08:55] | Hoochster: | iamlindoro, rebooting both slave and master now connects heh dunno which was truly the culprit heh |
| [03:08:58] | Hoochster: | odd |
| [03:09:57] | iamlindoro: | all set |
| [03:10:12] | superm1: | now type debuild from ure checked out dir |
| [03:12:07] | superm1: | you should end up with a deb of dshowserver |
| [03:12:12] | iamlindoro: | sed: can't read loader/Makefile: No such file or directory |
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| [03:12:24] | superm1: | oh yeah |
| [03:12:26] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure I could google these but I presume you want fast answers :) |
| [03:12:28] | superm1: | one more step, oops :) |
| [03:12:30] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [03:12:34] | superm1: | from the root of the directory |
| [03:12:37] | superm1: | debian/rules get-svn-source |
| [03:13:05] | superm1: | you'll get a .tar.gz built from that |
| [03:13:10] | superm1: | just extract it to this directory |
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| [03:13:22] | iamlindoro: | yup, coming down now |
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| [03:15:50] | iamlindoro: | superm1: Not sure where the tar should end up, it ended up one level back, and I'm not sure where you want the extraced tar |
| [03:15:54] | iamlindoro: | extracted |
| [03:16:40] | iamlindoro: | I've got the coreavc extracted directory, but I've tried it in ubuntu, ubuntu/debian, and debuild still fails |
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| [03:17:03] | superm1: | oh i know what happened |
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| [03:17:07] | superm1: | it's directory naming schemes |
| [03:17:18] | superm1: | can you copy the contents of the extracted tarball into ubuntu/ |
| [03:17:27] | iamlindoro: | ok |
| [03:17:29] | superm1: | should look like this: |
| [03:17:31] | superm1: | supermario@portablemario:~/coreavc-0.1~svn63$ ls |
| [03:17:31] | superm1: | COPYING debian dshowserver loader mplayer mythtv xine |
| [03:17:44] | superm1: | and then run debuild in that directory |
| [03:18:36] | iamlindoro: | sigh |
| [03:18:37] | iamlindoro: | "dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source |
| [03:18:37] | iamlindoro: | " |
| [03:18:44] | iamlindoro: | among other errors |
| [03:18:54] | superm1: | shrug. |
| [03:18:59] | superm1: | okay well let me do this instead |
| [03:19:03] | superm1: | i'll push this to a PPA |
| [03:19:08] | superm1: | and you can try it out from there when that happens |
| [03:19:11] | iamlindoro: | ok |
| [03:19:13] | superm1: | the building and all will happen on the PPA too then |
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| [03:28:09] | wesw02: | is it possible to turn up the commerical flagging speed past 200% |
| [03:32:32] | cesman: | the source is open, anything is possible! |
| [03:32:38] | wesw02: | lol |
| [03:32:45] | wesw02: | thanks for pointing out the obvious |
| [03:33:03] | Dagmar: | Oh yeah |
| [03:33:10] | Dagmar: | there's a switch that deliberately makes it slow as hell |
| [03:33:21] | Dagmar: | Just look in the output of ./configure --help and you'll find it |
| [03:33:32] | Dagmar: | It's there because Unix process management is so much less useful than Window |
| [03:33:34] | Dagmar: | s |
| [03:33:55] | wesw02: | its in the ./configure? are you serious? |
| [03:33:59] | Dagmar: | Of course not |
| [03:34:08] | cesman: | wesw02: you're welcome |
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| [03:34:32] | cesman: | wesw02: if you want commercial flagging done ASAP, then why not have it flag commercials as it records? |
| [03:34:43] | wesw02: | cesman, i just asked a simple question, i didn't ask for you to be a dick |
| [03:34:50] | wesw02: | sorry |
| [03:34:52] | wesw02: | not you |
| [03:34:56] | wesw02: | dagmar |
| [03:35:03] | wesw02: | copy pasted the wrong name |
| [03:35:20] | cesman: | a dick? |
| [03:35:25] | cesman: | I'm being a dick? |
| [03:35:30] | wesw02: | no I said not you |
| [03:35:39] | wesw02: | i copy and pasted the wrong name |
| [03:35:39] | cesman: | my first comment was tongue in cheek |
| [03:35:43] | cesman: | the second is a suggestion |
| [03:35:48] | iamlindoro: | Off to a great start making friends and influencing people, there |
| [03:36:16] | wesw02: | i wasn't referring to you cesman |
| [03:36:17] | spud1: | So, what about those Cubs? |
| [03:36:46] | cesman: | wesw02: ok... |
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| [03:39:15] | Dagmar: | wesw02: You asked a question before lifting a finger to look yourself. |
| [03:39:22] | wesw02: | no i didn't |
| [03:39:33] | Dagmar: | ...and it was, frankly, a stupid question. |
| [03:39:41] | wesw02: | what was stupid about it? |
| [03:41:00] | Dagmar: | Everything. |
| [03:41:13] | wesw02: | thats about as helpful as your initial response |
| [03:41:44] | Dagmar: | Call your care dealership and ask if there's something you can disable to make your car go faster than the speed limit without being given a ticket. |
| [03:42:01] | Dagmar: | Or cry to your mommy. |
| [03:42:09] | Dagmar: | NOW I'm being a dick. See the difference? |
| [03:42:21] | wesw02: | that's an awful analogy |
| [03:42:44] | wesw02: | and no not really, the only difference is you realize it now |
| [03:43:21] | Dagmar: | No, before I was just being sarcastic. |
| [03:43:36] | wesw02: | yea, its usually the same thing |
| [03:43:46] | Dagmar: | Cite one good reason why there would be a speed limiter on commercial flagging. |
| [03:43:49] | wesw02: | why don't you just grow up |
| [03:43:54] | wesw02: | okay |
| [03:43:54] | cesman: | wesw02: I don't know the answer to your query. However like I suggested if you want commercial flagging down ASAP, you can turn it on "real time". |
| [03:44:30] | wesw02: | because my system is running below load, my disc speeds are below maximum, there is no current bottle neck that I have found |
| [03:44:48] | wesw02: | this suggests, to me, that there might be a default limit set |
| [03:45:34] | Dagmar: | That just shows you don't know how to find bottlenecks. |
| [03:45:37] | wesw02: | in addition some of the documentation I found made mention of altering the speed slow to about 33%, I thought that if it could be turned down, it could possibly be turned up |
| [03:45:52] | wesw02: | what my flaw |
| [03:45:57] | wesw02: | what is my flaw* |
| [03:46:20] | Dagmar: | You don't know how to look for what's holding a process up. |
| [03:46:31] | wesw02: | what is holding up the process? |
| [03:46:38] | Dagmar: | That's for you to find out. |
| [03:46:46] | Dagmar: | Especially after calling me a dick. |
| [03:48:07] | ** stoneymonster pops popcorn ** | |
| [03:48:26] | cesman: | stoneymonster: DCC some my way |
| [03:48:32] | cesman: | stoneymonster: I'll make the margaritas |
| [03:49:25] | stoneymonster: | cesman: now there's an idea |
| [03:49:29] | ** stoneymonster trundles off to liquor cabinet ** | |
| [03:50:16] | iamlindoro: | Having no kids is fun, my whole condo is the liquor cabinet |
| [03:50:19] | superm1: | iamlindoro, here you go: https://edge.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive |
| [03:50:40] | iamlindoro: | superm1: OK, what in particular quold you like me to test aside from install? |
| [03:50:47] | iamlindoro: | s/quold/would/ |
| [03:51:20] | superm1: | iamlindoro, so grab the coreavc->dshowserver deb |
| [03:51:25] | superm1: | and make sure its contents work as you'd expect |
| [03:52:34] | iamlindoro: | ok, testing now |
| [03:55:13] | iamlindoro: | superm1: I have some doubts about this-- Because I'm on amd64, I was forced to download the dshowserver binary. Have you accounted for that? |
| [03:55:25] | superm1: | oh amd64. there is one building right now |
| [03:55:42] | superm1: | https://edge.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/+build/639192 |
| [03:55:52] | superm1: | wont be ready for abit though |
| [03:55:57] | superm1: | the amd64 build server is busy |
| [03:56:01] | iamlindoro: | I had understood that amd64 would *not* build directshowserver-- thus the need to download a 32 bit binary |
| [03:56:30] | superm1: | hm well how about i'll let this finish and if it fails, i'll come up with another solution then :) |
| [03:56:39] | iamlindoro: | ok |
| [03:56:41] | superm1: | i'll touch bases with you tomrorow |
| [03:56:58] | iamlindoro: | sounds like a plan |
| [03:57:37] | iamlindoro: | reference re: what I was talking about http://code.google.com/p/coreavc-for-linux/wi . . . erverInstall |
| [03:58:05] | superm1: | oh thats not good :( |
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| [03:58:59] | Dagmar: | By the way, the magic phrase for today is "I/O wait" |
| [03:59:16] | Dagmar: | Generally the chokepoint for the commflagger is streaming the stuff from the backend. |
| [03:59:25] | Dagmar: | ...or just plain old disk issues. |
| [04:01:00] | iamlindoro: | As cesman said, too, just turn on realtime commflagging, and it'll be done within moments of the recording being over... but it didn't seem like whatsisname wanted to hear that |
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| [04:04:11] | Dagmar: | Well, if one's box is fast enough |
| [04:04:37] | Dagmar: | If you do like I do and turn on all available methods, tell it to be strict and so forth, it'll run barely twice realtime |
| [04:04:55] | Dagmar: | Being niced down don' help it much either |
| [04:05:33] | Dagmar: | Setting hte "always stream" option seemed to be another good way to slow it down |
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| [04:09:14] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar: Was it you who posted the wii fit booty girl in here the other day? |
| [04:09:26] | Dagmar: | Umm... Definitely not. |
| [04:09:42] | Dagmar: | Im not sure I even want to ever see that |
| [04:09:48] | iamlindoro: | ah well, NSFW blah blah, here's some derivative http://videoarticles.playboy.com/?fr_story=ec . . . 0a&rf=bm |
| [04:09:52] | iamlindoro: | Oh you do |
| [04:09:56] | iamlindoro: | I do |
| [04:10:01] | iamlindoro: | myabe I'll gop watch it again |
| [04:12:49] | Dagmar: | Fuck me. |
| [04:12:58] | Dagmar: | Another goddamn circular dependency. |
| [04:13:29] | iamlindoro: | As in, I depend on circular things seen in that video? |
| [04:14:02] | Dagmar: | gnome-vfs->avahi->monodoc->gtkhtml->libgnomeui->libgnome->gnom e-vfs |
| [04:14:10] | Dagmar: | Grrrr. |
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| [04:17:01] | cesman: | oshiri ganai |
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| [04:21:12] | iamlindoro: | I like the way nerdy gamer sites have comments full of "that girl is WAY too skinny" every time a hot babe is posted, just because all they've had are fat girlfriends |
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| [04:25:19] | gizmobay: | big women need lovin' too |
| [04:27:07] | iamlindoro: | Someone's gotta do it. Just won't be me. And I won't delude myself into thinking fit chicks aren't hot. |
| [04:27:52] | gizmobay: | you know what they say about fat chicks and mopeds? |
| [04:28:07] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure I'm about to hear :D |
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| [04:28:39] | gizmobay: | They're fun to ride but you wouldn't want your friends to see you on one. |
| [04:28:59] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [04:29:21] | leprechau: | lol |
| [04:29:25] | leprechau: | that's an oldy |
| [04:29:32] | leprechau: | oldie even |
| [04:29:43] | leprechau: | good stuff |
| [04:29:50] | gizmobay: | iamlindoro hadn't heard it |
| [04:29:57] | gizmobay: | i agree it's an oldie |
| [04:30:09] | leprechau: | still funny though |
| [04:30:16] | iamlindoro: | hehehe, I worked in a country and western bar in college... there were similar jokes but... less clever and more explicit |
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| [05:01:42] | superm1: | ah fsck. it did fail iamlindoro :( |
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| [05:03:00] | superm1: | well it looks like its in the wine pieces that it failed |
| [05:03:06] | superm1: | i wonder if they just haven't synced to wine in a long time |
| [05:03:10] | superm1: | adn that's fixed upstream nowadays |
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| [05:14:35] | cesman: | when using the Internal player w/ MythVideo, if I exit a video it starts to playback where I left off. While that is nice, I'd like to be able to start from the beginning or be prompted |
| [05:14:51] | cesman: | I've taken a look thru the settings but I don't see that option |
| [05:15:19] | cesman: | does it uses the same settings as recorded programs? |
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| [05:18:36] | wasabi: | So, trying to get this new box workin. Changed media player to 'internal', because I've been told to |
| [05:18:39] | wasabi: | But it won't actually play anything |
| [05:18:43] | wasabi: | Just blinks Loading then vanishes. |
| [05:20:19] | cesman: | wasabi: check your logs |
| [05:21:21] | wasabi: | heh... internal not found. |
| [05:21:26] | wasabi: | trying to execute it |
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| [05:23:37] | wasabi: | oh. not in hardy. weird |
| [05:23:40] | wasabi: | thought internal had always been available |
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| [05:24:06] | wasabi: | Hmm. Nope... Hardy has 0.21 |
| [05:24:55] | cesman: | wasabi: Internal not internal |
| [05:24:59] | wasabi: | Ahh. |
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| [05:25:59] | cesman: | am I mistaken or wasn't there an option to prompt you at the beginning of a record if you wanted to start from the beginning or where you left off? |
| [05:26:45] | wasabi: | wow. internal player takes like 10 seconds to start. |
| [05:26:48] | wasabi: | and seems to be moving at 2fps |
| [05:26:53] | wasabi: | no, .2 fps |
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| [05:31:04] | wasabi: | OpenGLVideoSync::Start(): A/V Sync reported error: Bad Context WriteAudio: buffer underrun NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers. |
| [05:39:34] | wasabi: | So... guess it's breaking because of OpenGL in some way |
| [05:39:35] | wasabi: | or something |
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| [06:21:10] | Kelerion: | hey hey guys |
| [06:23:41] | Kelerion: | when a dev gets a chance...could they have a look at this? http://pastebin.com/m41f5bcfd |
| [06:26:22] | cesman: | Kelerion: how about when a user gets the chance? |
| [06:26:33] | cesman: | Kelerion: this is after all the user channel |
| [06:27:17] | Kelerion: | I suspect this is a dev question... but if a user that is a dev wants to take a look... feel free :) |
| [06:27:45] | ** cesman suspects you aren't providing enough information ** | |
| [06:28:03] | ** cesman goes of to tend to other items as he isn't a dev.... ** | |
| [06:28:51] | Kelerion: | if this was a regular hiccup... I'd have fixed it myself... I do know a thing or two about myth |
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| [06:34:31] | cesman: | Kelerion: no one is say it is a regular hiccup |
| [06:34:45] | cesman: | a bug report call for more than just a pastebin |
| [06:35:15] | Kelerion: | I am not posting a bug... |
| [06:35:28] | superm1: | Kelerion, i think cesman is just saying to add some context to that pastebin. eg, it used to work, and broke in trunk #xyz |
| [06:35:35] | superm1: | or this is the first time around compiling trunk |
| [06:38:20] | Kelerion: | this is a compile on a T2000 SunFire Niagara... probably something that hasn't been tried before... and I suspect it is going to need some custom flags sending to ./configure... when make starts kicking out errors about the assembler... I'd say all that takes it above a regular question asked in here... and seeing as I have been visiting this channel for over 2 years... I think I might have a clue about what a regular question |
| [06:38:20] | Kelerion: | sounds like... this... is more a question aimed at a developer |
| [06:39:33] | superm1: | Kelerion, right. that should be sufficient for a developer to prod at now that he would know what you were shooting for :) best of luck with getting it sorted |
| [06:39:44] | Kelerion: | thankyou. |
| [06:40:15] | cesman: | superm1: O |
| [06:40:28] | cesman: | superm1: I'll keep setting them up to make you look good ;) |
| [06:40:33] | superm1: | haha |
| [06:40:38] | superm1: | thanks cesman :) |
| [06:40:44] | cesman: | you're welcome |
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| [06:40:53] | superm1: | well bed time for me. g;night |
| [06:42:22] | cesman: | rest well |
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| [07:16:40] | Ace2016: | I wonder what would happen if i put the internet explorer icon as the web browser icon |
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| [07:33:31] | Kelerion: | cesman... i've just realised who you are |
| [07:33:44] | Kelerion: | you've been coming here about as long as I have |
| [07:33:45] | fryfrog: | how many more episodes of BSG are there? |
| [07:34:11] | fryfrog: | like, is the show coming to an end or just the season? |
| [07:35:15] | asmussen: | I think this is supposed to be the last season, and it's halfway through the season, so somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 episodes left. |
| [07:35:28] | fryfrog: | ahhhh |
| [07:35:49] | asmussen: | In fact, I think they advertised the last episode as the 'mid season finale' or something goofy like that. |
| [07:36:54] | asmussen: | I imagine that means that they're taking another break on new episodes before finishing out the rest of the last season. |
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| [07:49:42] | cesman: | Kelerion: ahhh ok |
| [07:49:55] | Kelerion: | I have even bought you a pint :P |
| [07:50:50] | cesman: | thanks |
| [07:51:12] | Kelerion: | you don't remember me huh |
| [07:51:15] | Kelerion: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=52 |
| [07:51:16] | Kelerion: | bald one |
| [07:52:31] | asmussen: | lol... I looked at that page, and was greeted by an ad claiming that mythtv is 'too hard' and that I should buy Snapstream Beyond TV |
| [07:52:59] | Kelerion: | huh? when? |
| [07:53:26] | asmussen: | Just now. The 'Ads by google' below the picture came up with that. |
| [07:53:53] | Kelerion: | well that sucks |
| [07:54:06] | asmussen: | "MythTV is a lot of work |
| [07:54:06] | asmussen: | SnapStream Beyond TV is easy. Even detects and skips commercials! |
| [07:54:56] | Kelerion: | well.. kinda, somewhat, in-theory...so does myth... |
| [07:54:59] | Kelerion: | or it used to |
| [07:55:31] | asmussen: | You don't need to convince me... They'll have to pry my mythtv box from my cold dead fingers. |
| [07:55:57] | cesman: | LOL! |
| [07:56:07] | cesman: | yes, now I do remember you |
| [07:56:07] | Kelerion: | ahh... now he remembers :P |
| [07:56:18] | cesman: | been awhile |
| [07:56:22] | Kelerion: | ayup.. lol |
| [07:56:25] | cesman: | how have you been? |
| [07:56:47] | Kelerion: | good thanks... have been out of the loop here for the last year or so... so am catching up :) |
| [07:57:36] | Kelerion: | still hacking on knoppmyth? |
| [07:57:51] | cesman: | yes |
| [07:57:56] | Kelerion: | good good |
| [07:58:12] | cesman: | working on this last release has been a PAIN but it is almost there |
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| [08:00:32] | Kelerion: | something major has changed? |
| [08:02:15] | cesman: | new kernel (that was an adventure), 0.21, other improvements, bugfixes, more hardware support, auto detection and setup (in MythTV) of some DVB tuners (more to come), etc... |
| [08:02:28] | cesman: | the usual improvements release after releasee |
| [08:02:48] | cesman: | this one has just been more painful that past releases |
| [08:03:08] | cesman: | hopefully R6 won't be as bad |
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| [08:03:18] | Kelerion: | i popped in here about a week or so ago and was shown the new myth control center... thats a helluva nice feature too |
| [08:03:23] | cesman: | but that will be the most MAJOR release in a while |
| [08:03:35] | cesman: | that is for Mythbuntu |
| [08:04:07] | Kelerion: | ah ok.. I thought it was in the main builds... oh well.. |
| [08:04:44] | Kelerion: | I remember you saying you were looking into moving over to ubuntu as a base... that never work out? |
| [08:04:56] | cesman: | the Service Menu in R6 will be cool! |
| [08:05:11] | cesman: | I thought about it but sometime about Ubuntu always bugged me |
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| [08:05:19] | ** Kelerion chuckles ** | |
| [08:05:34] | cesman: | installation was never consistant (although we probably would have written our own installer) |
| [08:05:41] | Kelerion: | i'll download R6 and have a play with it when its released... been a while since I looked at it |
| [08:06:06] | cesman: | besides why switch to Ubuntu when Debian serves just as well? |
| [08:06:18] | Kelerion: | true |
| [08:06:39] | cesman: | although we will be switch to something for R6 |
| [08:07:17] | cesman: | ack |
| [08:07:21] | Kelerion: | I sold my house and am in the middle of moving to LA... so I dumped all my setup and am getting some new kit to play with |
| [08:07:33] | cesman: | there will be a switch for R6 |
| [08:07:42] | cesman: | LA as in Los Angeles? |
| [08:07:49] | Kelerion: | ayup |
| [08:07:55] | cesman: | wow! |
| [08:07:59] | cesman: | that is quite a move |
| [08:08:12] | Kelerion: | I was there 3 times last year for a month each time.. I love it there |
| [08:08:18] | cesman: | we'll have to get together once you've moved |
| [08:08:27] | Kelerion: | you are in SoCal too aren't you? |
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| [08:08:34] | cesman: | yes, I am |
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| [08:09:11] | Kelerion: | sweet... I'll be going over for another visit in a couple of weeks... mid July... we should meet up for a drink :) |
| [08:09:21] | cesman: | sure! |
| [08:09:27] | Kelerion: | do you know Woodland Hills area at all? |
| [08:09:46] | cesman: | no, I'm in Orange County at the moment |
| [08:10:11] | cesman: | I was in Fontana (an hour east of LA) up until 7 months ago |
| [08:10:16] | Kelerion: | ah ok....well, thats not too far away... |
| [08:10:31] | Kelerion: | I can always take a drive there |
| [08:11:36] | Kelerion: | only thing I know about Orange County is American Chopper.. .lol |
| [08:12:42] | cesman: | lol |
| [08:12:54] | cesman: | actually the Orange County isn't in California |
| [08:13:51] | cesman: | it is in New York |
| [08:15:03] | Kelerion: | ah hell...thats no good then... lol |
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| [08:20:20] | Kelerion: | well... I think i fixed my compiler problems... so hopefully I can get this ready for the usb tuner thats coming tomorrow now |
| [08:21:49] | Kelerion: | its 9:20am... I must be nuts... I haven't slept yet |
| [08:23:50] | asmussen: | 9:20 AM? LA really IS a big move for you, isn't it? lol |
| [08:24:08] | Kelerion: | yes.. lol |
| [08:24:19] | Kelerion: | ok... gonna get a few hours kip |
| [08:24:26] | Kelerion is now known as Kel | |
| [08:24:51] | Kel is now known as Kel|kipping | |
| [08:25:18] | Kel|kipping: | back in a few :) |
| [08:25:26] | asmussen: | Later |
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| [08:46:10] | Tominator: | hi! |
| [08:49:07] | Ace2016: | hi! |
| [08:52:03] | cesman: | hi! |
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| [08:55:59] | waxhead_: | right.. now I'm in the correct channel! |
| [08:58:31] | cesman: | waxhead_: read the MythTV docs |
| [09:01:48] | waxhead_: | all I want to find is the tuning doco.. I'm looking on the mythtv wiki |
| [09:04:12] | waxhead_: | OK.. I need to take deep breaths and slow down... :) |
| [09:04:38] | justinh: | heh |
| [09:04:52] | justinh: | like randomly prodding settings never solved anything ;) |
| [09:08:20] | waxhead_: | far out! |
| [09:08:26] | waxhead_: | where the heck do I start... |
| [09:08:39] | justinh: | usually at the beginning |
| [09:08:52] | waxhead_: | OK, I build the system with a non working card, so I have replaced it.. now I need to start from scratch with setting this tuner card up... |
| [09:08:58] | waxhead_: | haha... yep... |
| [09:10:42] | cesman: | waxhead_: where are you at? |
| [09:10:52] | cesman: | waxhead_: is MythTV installed? |
| [09:11:22] | Ace2016: | Do i need a dual link dvi cable for HDTV? |
| [09:11:33] | justinh: | Ace2016: nope |
| [09:11:47] | cesman: | waxhead_: again, read the instructions: http://mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual:Index |
| [09:13:32] | waxhead_: | cesman: australia, and yes, mythtv is installed. Just installed a new tuner card.. the first one isn't supported.. so I never set the tuner card up |
| [09:14:03] | cesman: | and waxhead_ if you want help provide more instuctions than "where do I start" |
| [09:14:15] | justinh: | oops. I'm not sure I should've googled hexamethylene triperoxide diamine |
| [09:15:07] | cesman: | waxhead_: mythtv-setup should take you into the setup |
| [09:15:14] | cesman: | well, bed time for me... |
| [09:15:37] | waxhead_: | cesman: thanks.. I just found myth-setup in the doco... |
| [09:15:55] | waxhead_: | that's what I was missing.. :) |
| [09:16:30] | justinh: | it'd help us help you if you said what kind of tuner card it is too |
| [09:16:56] | justinh: | dvb ? analogue? Acme TV Tuner card (generic V4L framegrabber)? Que? |
| [09:17:21] | waxhead_: | dvb-t hauppage nova-t500 |
| [09:17:52] | waxhead_: | dvb-usb: found a 'Hauppauge Nova-T 500 Dual DVB-T' in warm state. |
| [09:18:17] | justinh: | you'd best search for that card in the wiki then. it needs firmware IIRC |
| [09:18:57] | justinh: | also needs a recent-ish kernel too |
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| [09:19:22] | waxhead_: | justinh: I'm running latest mythbuntu |
| [09:20:04] | justinh: | maybe it'll just work (tm) then |
| [09:20:06] | justinh: | mornin gbee |
| [09:20:31] | justinh: | waxhead_: first, if I were you I'd look to see if the dvb device nodes have been created |
| [09:20:35] | gbee: | morning |
| [09:20:54] | justinh: | waxhead_: dmesg should say.. do dmesg | grep dvb |
| [09:21:40] | waxhead_: | justinh: DVB: registering frontend 1 (DiBcom 3000MC/P)... |
| [09:22:00] | waxhead_: | just running mythtv-setup now... |
| [09:22:11] | waxhead_: | seems to have picked it up ok... I think |
| [09:22:47] | justinh: | being a pedantic c*** that I am, I'd probably not bother with mythtv-setup just yet |
| [09:23:27] | justinh: | use the dvb-utils package's 'scan' utility to see if the card can scan for channels |
| [09:23:50] | waxhead_: | justinh: tried that, but I couldn't get it to run... |
| [09:23:55] | waxhead_: | not doing something right... |
| [09:24:41] | waxhead_: | scan dvb-t/au-Canberra-Black-Mt |
| [09:24:46] | justinh: | something like scan /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-t/uk-$foo where $foo is the name of your local transmitter |
| [09:25:15] | justinh: | when you get as far as typing uk- press TAB |
| [09:25:30] | gbee: | waxhead_: Nova-T 500? |
| [09:25:51] | waxhead_: | yep.. I'm a moron... |
| [09:26:05] | waxhead_: | it's scanning now... |
| [09:26:11] | waxhead_: | gbee: yes it is... |
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| [09:27:07] | justinh: | waxhead_: it should output a load of text which has a bunch of channel names |
| [09:27:51] | waxhead_: | justinh: yep... it's done... |
| [09:28:02] | waxhead_: | should I redirect that to a channels.txt file? |
| [09:28:13] | gbee: | waxhead_: cat /sys/module/dvb_usb_dib0700/parameters/force_lna_activation |
| [09:28:25] | justinh: | be a good idea to, then you can run tzap to get an impression of signal strength & quality |
| [09:28:52] | justinh: | like tzap "BBC ONE" -c channels.txt |
| [09:29:09] | waxhead_: | gbee: 1 |
| [09:29:19] | justinh: | gbee: maybe mythbuntu already does that |
| [09:29:22] | waxhead_: | i did read some doco.. I put that in earlier... |
| [09:29:25] | gbee: | waxhead_: ok, that's good – just checking |
| [09:29:35] | waxhead_: | gbee: thanks though! :) |
| [09:29:37] | justinh: | bloody hell – you had to put that in?! |
| [09:29:54] | waxhead_: | justinh: yep.. in modules.d/options |
| [09:29:55] | justinh: | so much for 'just use this magic install disc' |
| [09:30:29] | waxhead_: | justinh: what install disk? I've had mythbuntu installed for a week and a half, the first turner card wasn't supported... |
| [09:30:32] | gbee: | I'll mention it to laga or superm1 |
| [09:31:10] | justinh: | magic install disk == mythbuntu ;) |
| [09:31:30] | waxhead_: | this is a different card to the first one. The other card is a DVICO dual tuner... turned out I got the new revision board, and the guy who wrote the module is in the US and doesn't have access to one to update the driver |
| [09:31:35] | waxhead_: | so I got another card... |
| [09:31:54] | waxhead_: | I'd read that the Nove-T500 was supported in this version of linux/mythbuntu... |
| [09:32:00] | waxhead_: | no remote though... |
| [09:32:22] | waxhead_: | OK.. so I need to output to a channels.txt and tzap reads this? |
| [09:32:32] | justinh: | yup |
| [09:32:49] | justinh: | or channels.conf – doesn't really matter what you call the file |
| [09:32:52] | gbee: | it should really be the drive default |
| [09:33:06] | gbee: | driver |
| [09:34:07] | justinh: | gbee: I agree. it's not as if it isn't the single most important thing on the card is it? ;) |
| [09:34:29] | waxhead_: | I agree... |
| [09:34:52] | waxhead_: | it wasn't hard to find it.. but then I'd been hunting around and book marked it.. |
| [09:34:59] | waxhead_: | as a defualt though, it makes sence to use it... |
| [09:35:12] | gbee: | I wonder how many people have given up on the card because they didn't know about that option, in my experience the card is pretty useless without it |
| [09:35:20] | justinh: | thing is though I'd not be surprised if not all dibcom usb frontends have it |
| [09:35:35] | justinh: | which'd be a good reason not to do it by default |
| [09:35:49] | gbee: | shouldn't do any harm though, if it's not available the driver should do the right thing |
| [09:36:07] | waxhead_: | hmmm not getting many channels... |
| [09:36:12] | waxhead_: | tzap did something! |
| [09:36:19] | waxhead_: | so, configure mythtv now? |
| [09:36:24] | justinh: | waxhead_: paste one line of tzap's output here please |
| [09:37:12] | justinh: | I can tell you how good your signal is & help you understand the numbers |
| [09:37:54] | justinh: | it's *very* useful to be able to do that |
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| [09:38:49] | waxhead_: | justinh: SBS HD:543500000:INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_7_MHZ:FEC_2_3:FEC_2_3:QAM_64:TRANSMISSION_ MODE_8K:GUARD_INTERVAL_1_8:HIERARCHY_NONE:102:103:848 |
| [09:39:14] | justinh: | heheh I meant the line that looks like this: status 1f | signal 002e | snr ffff | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [09:40:14] | waxhead_: | right.. sorry.. |
| [09:41:36] | waxhead_: | what's the command like for tzap? |
| [09:41:56] | waxhead_: | tzap -a 0 -c channels.txt isn't working |
| [09:42:08] | justinh: | cos you've not named a channel |
| [09:42:18] | justinh: | tzap "channelname" -a foo -c bar |
| [09:43:03] | waxhead_: | oh right... |
| [09:43:29] | waxhead_: | status 1f | signal 758b | snr 0000 | ber 00074db0 | unc 00000a54 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [09:43:45] | justinh: | oooo you're signal isn't too hot |
| [09:43:47] | happyDaisy: | Has anyone had any luck getting the Compro T750F tv card working in Linux? Is there any substantial chip/firmware difference between the T750 and the T750F that might be causing me problems? |
| [09:44:08] | justinh: | signal level is ok, BER (bit error rate) is very high, as is UNC (uncorrectable errors) |
| [09:44:29] | justinh: | s/you're/your (ffs I never get that wrong) |
| [09:44:39] | waxhead_: | status 1f | signal 7581 | snr 0000 | ber 00007290 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK |
| [09:44:50] | waxhead_: | that's the last line in the output.. how long do I let it run for? |
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| [09:45:28] | waxhead_: | so i could try setting up mythtv-setup then? |
| [09:45:39] | gbee: | signal level is always reported as low with the Nova-T 500, mine sits around 49%, but the ber isn't too good there |
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| [09:46:17] | justinh: | waxhead_: you ever seen digital TV go blocky for a spell accompanied by squeak & clicking sounds? that's what BERs do ;) |
| [09:46:45] | justinh: | UNC does the same only moreso |
| [09:46:50] | gbee: | waxhead_: go ahead and setup mythtv, but you might have a signal quality problem which requires adjusting the aerial |
| [09:47:34] | waxhead_: | justinh: yep.. have a digital pvr.. SD though.. seen it... |
| [09:47:43] | waxhead_: | gbee: OK.. thanks... |
| [09:47:54] | waxhead_: | mythtv is scanning now... |
| [09:48:17] | waxhead_: | it's like watching paint dry!!! :) |
| [09:48:33] | justinh: | so's Big Brother Live :P |
| [09:49:00] | waxhead_: | yeah true... |
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| [09:49:20] | waxhead_: | cool.. I'll get this done and pick up the nvidia card tomorrow and install that... |
| [09:49:33] | waxhead_: | the ATI card isn't too good... :( |
| [09:49:48] | gbee: | waxhead_: no? I'm a new fan of ATi on linux |
| [09:50:12] | waxhead_: | gbee: really? |
| [09:50:20] | justinh: | ati are starting to get their stuff together :) |
| [09:50:22] | justinh: | at last! |
| [09:50:23] | gbee: | latest proprietery drivers are great |
| [09:50:38] | waxhead_: | gbee: on mythbuntu? |
| [09:50:42] | gbee: | at least for the things mythtv requires |
| [09:50:53] | directhex: | i'll wait for someone to mail me a card to test with, i certainly won't be spending money experimenting |
| [09:50:56] | waxhead_: | I have a saphire 3850... |
| [09:51:02] | gbee: | waxhead_: mythbuntu is probably using the open source drivers by default |
| [09:51:13] | waxhead_: | I installed the restricted drivers though... |
| [09:51:28] | waxhead_: | just wondering now if I have xorg.conf set right then... |
| [09:52:34] | gbee: | waxhead_: might be too old? The ATi driver really only offers full support for the newer cards – https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.a . . . 5_linux.html |
| [09:53:31] | waxhead_: | my card? |
| [09:53:39] | gbee: | ok, so it's not an old card ;) I'm not familiar with the ATi model numbering |
| [09:53:41] | waxhead_: | it's new..(ish) I spose... |
| [09:53:52] | waxhead_: | gbee: neither am I... |
| [09:54:19] | waxhead_: | gbee: are you using mythbuntu? |
| [09:54:28] | waxhead_: | did oyu install using the restricted drivers? |
| [09:54:32] | gbee: | you do need at least version 8.4 of the driver for the 3850 though |
| [09:54:36] | gbee: | waxhead_: no I'm not |
| [09:55:49] | waxhead_: | gbee: googling now... |
| [09:56:08] | waxhead_: | of course i have an nvidia card to pick up tomorrow! :( |
| [09:56:37] | gbee: | :( |
| [09:57:37] | gbee: | if that's the case then you probably shouldn't waste too much time installing the right drivers, at least you'll know for the future :) |
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| [10:03:30] | waxhead_: | gbee: maybe... happy to try it out though... to see what I can get out of it.. |
| [10:04:12] | waxhead_: | hmm.. still not right.. can't watch TV yet... |
| [10:04:16] | waxhead_: | more reading.. :) |
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| [10:21:25] | siXy: | is the recorded mysql table compatible between 0.20 and 0.21? |
| [10:22:04] | justinh: | maybe not |
| [10:22:06] | justinh: | wouldn't risk it |
| [10:22:27] | gbee: | siXy: are you wanting to run 0.20 against a 0.21 database? |
| [10:22:34] | gbee: | or upgrade from 0.20? |
| [10:23:03] | siXy: | gbee, no, upgrading from 0.20 to 0.21. completely changing hardware at the same time however, but I would like to keep all the recordings |
| [10:23:25] | gbee: | siXy: no problem then |
| [10:23:28] | directhex: | the recorded table is gonna mention storage groups isn't it? |
| [10:23:29] | justinh: | just export the old db |
| [10:23:47] | justinh: | and import it to mythconverg, THEN run mythtv-setup on the new box |
| [10:23:50] | gbee: | you can upgrade at any time without problems, downgrading is more difficult though |
| [10:23:51] | siXy: | what all of it? I was just going to dump the 'recorded' table |
| [10:23:55] | directhex: | anyway, myth upgrades the database (in theory) as & when |
| [10:24:02] | siXy: | ohhh nice |
| [10:24:05] | gbee: | siXy: all of it |
| [10:24:08] | directhex: | so (in theory) carry on, nothing to worry about |
| [10:24:46] | siXy: | well, pass on my thanks to whoever wrote that part of the code – its muchly appreciated |
| [10:24:49] | gbee: | it's not a bad idea to create a backup, just in case, but it should be fine |
| [10:25:33] | ** siXy starts a backup of his 290MB myth database ** | |
| [10:25:36] | justinh: | myth has automagically upgraded the db since ... ever AFAIK |
| [10:25:38] | waxhead_: | SWEET!!!! |
| [10:25:44] | waxhead_: | TV on the TV! |
| [10:27:00] | directhex: | that sounds pointless. why not put the second tv on the chest of drawers in the bedroom, instead? |
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| [10:29:25] | waxhead_: | directhex: not literally tv on tv... tv out of myth to the tv... |
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| [10:39:10] | gbee: | put a little TV in front of a big TV and you have picture-in-picture |
| [10:43:06] | justinh: | .. and the attention span of a 3 year old :) |
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| [10:46:11] | gbee: | well I do? So what? ;) |
| [10:47:24] | justinh: | jus sayin' |
| [10:50:38] | gbee: | I actually do have a pretty limited attention span, it's a burden |
| [10:51:21] | justinh: | omg. just heard the microsd cards I bought the other week don't work with our kit. needs to be sandisk ones. ffs stupid software!!!!!!!!! STUPID! |
| [10:52:47] | justinh: | gbee: always getting sidetracked & distracted by shiny things? me too. I'd have finished all the preparation for this friday ages ago otherwise ;) |
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| [10:53:59] | justinh: | it's like LRL all over again but this time I give a shit :) |
| [10:54:06] | gbee: | how does that happen? SD cards should just work with anything |
| [10:54:16] | justinh: | stupid software, like I said |
| [10:54:36] | justinh: | prolly hard-coded to a device id, etc etc etc |
| [10:55:07] | justinh: | making your own OS means you can be as retarded as you want |
| [11:00:07] | directhex: | several devices which fail to meet the SD spec take only specific cards |
| [11:00:15] | waxhead_: | hmm... choppy playback, is that because I'm getting 50% sig strength, or the video card isn't setup right? |
| [11:00:17] | directhex: | e.g. the eeepc only touches some sdhc cards due to design flaws |
| [11:00:31] | directhex: | waxhead_, choppy is load related, usually |
| [11:01:23] | gbee: | waxhead_: might be related to the driver version, XVideo support was only added to the driver for certain cards recently |
| [11:01:36] | gbee: | pastebin.ca the frontend log |
| [11:02:51] | waxhead_: | load is 0.85 |
| [11:03:02] | waxhead_: | I'm putting to down to video card... |
| [11:03:22] | waxhead_: | guess I'll be putting that nvidia in as soon as I get home tomorrow night.. :) |
| [11:04:09] | gbee: | it's probably falling back to some non-XVideo mode |
| [11:04:31] | directhex: | FE logs |
| [11:06:50] | waxhead_: | chekc the lods? |
| [11:06:53] | waxhead_: | logs even? |
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| [11:11:16] | waxhead_: | hmm... I wonder if I should install the catalyst drivers... |
| [11:11:34] | waxhead_: | the restricted module is installed... |
| [11:18:22] | gbee: | at this point laga would shout at me and tell you to use envy_ng (or whatever it's called) |
| [11:18:50] | directhex: | except envy-ng only just got updates to nvidia, and has no updates to ati |
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| [11:19:46] | gbee: | you want at least version 8.4 of the Catalyst driver, that's 2 months old |
| [11:20:00] | gbee: | they've released 8.5, but I can't vouch for it yet |
| [11:20:04] | waxhead_: | what version is in the ubuntu repo then? |
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| [11:21:56] | adante: | anybody here able to watch .nuv transcoded recordings in windows? |
| [11:22:00] | waxhead_: | the version is hard to find... |
| [11:22:01] | adante: | i can watch them, just no seeking :/ |
| [11:24:11] | directhex: | nuv seek table info is stored in the mysql database |
| [11:25:55] | waxhead_: | hey gurus.. DMA settings... is that still valid for SATA II drives? |
| [11:26:18] | waxhead_: | when I changed the hdparm for the DVD/CD player, playback wasn't so choppy... |
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| [11:37:04] | directhex: | it shouldn't be |
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| [11:44:20] | waxhead_: | I can't figure out why the playback is so choppy... |
| [11:44:30] | waxhead_: | anything on the HDD and TV is really bad... |
| [11:44:41] | waxhead_: | DVD's played from the DVD player work fine... |
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| [11:45:10] | gbee: | choppy, or blocky? |
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| [11:47:42] | waxhead_: | choppy... |
| [11:47:53] | waxhead_: | in that TV freezes... still had sound coming through... |
| [11:48:09] | waxhead_: | same with playing a DVD ripped to disk... |
| [11:48:19] | waxhead_: | I'm not sure if it's HDD or video card... |
| [11:48:27] | waxhead_: | hdd's are SATA II's though... |
| [11:48:45] | justinh: | directhex: only in our case it'll be hard-coding |
| [11:49:12] | directhex: | justinh, well, you'd have to be a complete dumbass to do something like that |
| [11:49:27] | waxhead_: | justinh: I thought you were going to bed? |
| [11:49:40] | directhex: | waxhead_, at 10 to 1 in the afternoon? |
| [11:49:50] | justinh: | directhex: well duh ;) |
| [11:51:02] | waxhead_: | probably someone else thenn... |
| [11:51:30] | justinh: | isn't quite a lot of sata in linux still using pata emulation anyway? |
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| [11:52:19] | waxhead_: | I have no idea... :-/ |
| [11:52:27] | waxhead_: | go figure... |
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| [11:52:49] | waxhead_: | ok, so if I turn off recording live TV, then it should improve things somewhat... |
| [11:53:38] | justinh: | eh? |
| [11:53:41] | justinh: | why would it? |
| [11:54:17] | waxhead_: | if it's a HDD issue, then that's one less thing to slow things down |
| [11:54:46] | waxhead_: | I'm getting choppy playback, and I don't know if it's the HDD's or the video card.. |
| [11:54:58] | waxhead_: | I'm just trying to eliminate possible issues... |
| [11:55:09] | justinh: | run mythfrontend with -v playback |
| [11:55:37] | justinh: | you'll no doubt see a message about Xv not being available, which'll make for harder work doing playback |
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| [11:56:15] | justinh: | linux drivers for ATI had been missing Xv for a long time & it's only just starting to be supported now |
| [11:57:24] | waxhead_: | OK, I'm watching TV now... sound is comething through, but playback is choppy... the image "freezes" while sound still comes through |
| [11:58:03] | justinh: | mythfrontend -v playback |
| [11:58:05] | justinh: | final offer |
| [11:58:13] | waxhead_: | I'm using an ATI HD 3850 |
| [11:58:34] | justinh: | FINAL OFFER |
| [11:59:00] | waxhead_: | justinh: me? |
| [11:59:12] | waxhead_: | do I run that command? |
| [11:59:18] | justinh: | MNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG |
| [11:59:21] | justinh: | I give up |
| [12:01:04] | waxhead_: | what!! |
| [12:01:21] | waxhead_: | so -v playback has done something... no chop... |
| [12:01:29] | waxhead_: | time to read.. thanks justinh |
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| [12:04:18] | waxhead_: | sweet! |
| [12:05:20] | waxhead_: | now the side "panning" has the funny lines through like the screen can't keep up with the camera, but I think that's to do with the xv side of things.. from my reading so far... |
| [12:05:54] | GreyFoxx: | Do you just mean little horizontal lines around areas of movement ? |
| [12:06:07] | waxhead_: | GreyFoxx: yes |
| [12:06:14] | GreyFoxx: | You need to enable a deinterlacer |
| [12:06:19] | GreyFoxx: | in your playback profiles |
| [12:06:31] | waxhead_: | ok thanks... |
| [12:09:27] | dustybin: | i didnt realise you can launch mythfrontend with -v playback |
| [12:10:17] | ** justinh trouts everybody who has never run mythfrontend with the --help option ** | |
| [12:10:34] | waxhead_: | dustybin: it's a verbose output for the front end... |
| [12:10:40] | waxhead_: | and now I can see what's going on... |
| [12:11:28] | Kel|kipping: | afternoon all :) |
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| [12:11:41] | dustybin: | 13:01 < waxhead_> so -v playback has done something... no chop... |
| [12:11:42] | dustybin: | ?? |
| [12:11:50] | waxhead_: | justinh: getting a lot of buffer underrun |
| [12:12:08] | waxhead_: | dustybin: yep... it worked fine... then started to chop... |
| [12:12:12] | justinh: | -v is for verbosity, nothing else |
| [12:12:37] | justinh: | doesn't change playback parameters to magically 'fix' juddery playback. ffs |
| [12:13:14] | waxhead_: | justinh: yes.. I appreciate your frustration... |
| [12:13:20] | dustybin: | waxhead_: are you using a CRT or a HD display? |
| [12:13:27] | waxhead_: | dustybin: CRT |
| [12:13:55] | dustybin: | make sure your X resolution is set to a matching low-res of the material your playing back |
| [12:13:59] | dustybin: | are you based in UK? |
| [12:14:44] | gbee: | dustybin: that's only really required for tv-out |
| [12:15:05] | waxhead_: | dustybin: australia |
| [12:15:15] | dustybin: | i thought its good practice in general to match the resolution of x and the playback material |
| [12:15:27] | dustybin: | waxhead_: do you guys use PAL? |
| [12:15:40] | quicksilver: | my X is 800x600 and my playback material is never 800x600 |
| [12:15:40] | quicksilver: | so I think that's a "no" |
| [12:15:48] | waxhead_: | dustybin: yep... remember we are the colony.. ;) |
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| [12:16:56] | directhex: | you WERE the off-site prison |
| [12:17:04] | directhex: | "colony" makes it sound so... desirable |
| [12:17:30] | dustybin: | waxhead_: here is my xorg.conf for when i used TV-OUT on my FX5200 nvidia card |
| [12:17:33] | dustybin: | http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2639 |
| [12:17:43] | dustybin: | (the required bits of xorg.conf) |
| [12:19:19] | waxhead_: | dustybin: thanks... got an ATI card ATM... |
| [12:19:32] | dustybin: | that needs changing to suit a ATI card |
| [12:19:40] | dustybin: | but thats the kind of idea |
| [12:20:57] | waxhead_: | directhex: haha.. sure... been a few years since we were that... |
| [12:23:08] | waxhead_: | getting a segfault when quiting the front end too... |
| [12:25:06] | waxhead_: | where do I find the mythfronted log? |
| [12:25:10] | waxhead_: | /var/logs? |
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| [12:27:34] | directhex: | console output. |
| [12:27:44] | directhex: | in SOME distros, it goes into /var/log |
| [12:27:48] | directhex: | but generally, console output |
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| [12:34:46] | EvilGuru: | Does anyone know if iamlindoro is around? |
| [12:35:12] | justinh: | !seen iamlindoro |
| [12:35:12] | MythLogBot: | iamlindoro is here and has been idle for 8 hours 4 minutes 56 seconds |
| [12:35:24] | EvilGuru: | Just wondering if he required any special mplayer/ffmpeg patches to play back HDPVR recordings (I downloaded a couple of his samples0 |
| [12:35:30] | waxhead_: | Hm... what's the right audio output to use? |
| [12:36:11] | EvilGuru: | Apparently PAFF interlacing is not implemented (ffmpeg) |
| [12:36:13] | GreyFoxx: | Evi: He;'s using the myth internal player |
| [12:36:52] | waxhead_: | right.. sound is back, but the playback is terrible! |
| [12:36:57] | EvilGuru: | (Was with regards to my own problem, sorry) |
| [12:37:08] | GreyFoxx: | Evil: Yes |
| [12:39:33] | EvilGuru: | GreyFoxx: Doesn't the internal one use FFmpeg for h.264 decoding/ |
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| [12:52:19] | waxhead_: | what's with this /dev/mixer error in the logs! |
| [12:52:25] | GreyFoxx: | Evil: It doesn't however it does work, even without PAFF support |
| [12:52:56] | EvilGuru: | I just got myself an SVN build of ffmpeg, and that'll play it |
| [12:53:35] | EvilGuru: | However, it is *extremely* jittery, guess I either need newer hardware or FFmpeg need to improve their optmizations |
| [12:55:28] | directhex: | waxhead_, you've set myth to use the OSS mixer, but presumably don't have OSS working on your system |
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| [13:00:35] | waxhead_: | directhex: I'm using alsa... |
| [13:00:38] | waxhead_: | well should be... |
| [13:01:06] | directhex: | well no, you haven't, since /dev/mixer is an OSS device node |
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| [13:04:23] | EvilGuru: | I guess it is because FFmpeg is not totally multithreaded(?) (doesn't scale linearly) |
| [13:05:19] | willcooke: | anyone else found upnp music sharing to a PS3 broken in the latest SVN? I quite prepared to belive its just me. |
| [13:05:23] | willcooke: | it normally is |
| [13:05:51] | waxhead_: | directhex: got it... as soon as I can see what's going on, I'll double check things... |
| [13:06:15] | waxhead_: | output has gone... sigh.. uninstalled the restricted driver... |
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| [13:16:14] | spud1: | Does someone know where to find CONFIG_VIDEO_HELPER_CHIPS_AUTO in the kernel config menu? I need to unset it. Also, CONFIG_VIDEO_IVTV ,I need to set. |
| [13:16:48] | spud1: | trying to get ivtv to emerge |
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| [13:28:36] | Pryon: | spud1: multimedia devices |
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| [13:37:10] | waxhead_: | what resolution should I be running for a CRT? |
| [13:37:15] | waxhead_: | PAL |
| [13:39:53] | willcooke: | 720 x 576 or there abouts |
| [13:42:51] | waxhead_: | thanks |
| [13:48:16] | waxhead_: | sigh... I can only choose 640*480 in the display manager... |
| [13:48:26] | waxhead_: | time for bed... |
| [13:51:46] | willcooke: | waxhead_, you need a custom mode line |
| [13:52:03] | willcooke: | what video card? |
| [13:52:35] | willcooke: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Modeline_Database |
| [13:53:30] | waxhead_: | ATI 3850 HD |
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| [13:54:38] | zherlock: | Anyoen using minimyth? I ca'tt get it to load the audio drvier for a VIA EPIA ML6000, with a VT8235M south bridge |
| [13:56:29] | zherlock: | I just upgraded from ubutnu 7.10 to ubuntu 8.04 which gave me mythtv 0.21... The OSD has become "unstable", it is "shakeing" up/down 1mm. Allsi I have a 1pix blue line at the very top of the screen. |
| [13:57:36] | willcooke: | waxhead_, Try the lines in the section marked "PAL 625" |
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| [14:00:26] | quicksilver: | zherlock: unstable OSD === try a better interlace algorithm |
| [14:00:38] | quicksilver: | zherlock: I had precisely the same issue on upgrading to 0.21 |
| [14:00:43] | quicksilver: | "deinterlace" I mean :) |
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| [14:01:35] | zherlock: | quicksilver: oh, ok :) So.. Mythtv frontend -> Setup .... Find some Interlace setting ? |
| [14:02:05] | zherlock: | deinterlace even :P |
| [14:03:54] | quicksilver: | yes |
| [14:04:05] | quicksilver: | somewhere in playback, I think. |
| [14:04:47] | waxhead_: | night all... |
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| [14:18:46] | zherlock: | quicksilver: appreciate your input :) I will try it |
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| [14:36:03] | directhex: | justinh! a release of your favourite project! using your favourite lib!http://www.entertainer-project.com/ |
| [14:39:14] | Kelerion: | which lib is that? |
| [14:39:19] | Kelerion: | clutter? |
| [14:39:33] | directhex: | yes! |
| [14:39:52] | Kelerion: | he doesn't like it? lol |
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| [14:46:56] | directhex: | it seems to do absolutely nothing |
| [14:47:26] | Kelerion: | just a glossy gstreamer frontend like elisa I think |
| [14:47:48] | directhex: | not even that. it uses python bindings to lots and lots of libs directly |
| [14:47:51] | directhex: | like pyvorbis |
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| [14:47:54] | directhex: | rather than gstreamer |
| [14:48:07] | Kelerion: | hmmm |
| [14:48:13] | directhex: | i've got as far as a black screen. nothing more. so far, that makes elisa better |
| [14:48:22] | ** Kelerion chuckles ** | |
| [14:48:45] | Kelerion: | I like glossy frontends, I admit... but I prefer them to be frontends to something actually useful |
| [14:57:55] | Kelerion: | I must have something wrong here... myth is taking about 4 hours so far to compile |
| [14:58:21] | directhex: | that seems excessive |
| [14:58:26] | directhex: | unless you're on a via cpu |
| [14:58:38] | Kelerion: | on a 64-core processor? I'd say so yes |
| [14:58:48] | Kelerion: | well...64-core system |
| [14:59:39] | directhex: | myth for itanium? |
| [14:59:57] | Kelerion: | 16 quad-core's... SunFire |
| [15:00:03] | directhex: | oh lord, sparc |
| [15:00:09] | ** Kelerion grins ** | |
| [15:00:09] | directhex: | joke chip. no wonder it's slow |
| [15:00:28] | directhex: | last time i asked sun to try & sell me sparc, they laughed in my face |
| [15:00:58] | Kelerion: | well I went and picked it up last week... its only about a year old... and I was bored... so thought I'd get it and do something with it |
| [15:01:22] | Kelerion: | it's my old db server.. had it in storage for a year |
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| [15:02:20] | Kelerion: | I wonder if myth would compile under solaris |
| [15:02:34] | |Torg|: | no it does not |
| [15:02:49] | Kelerion: | ah well...there goes that idea then... lol |
| [15:02:54] | directhex: | thank god |
| [15:03:13] | |Torg|: | you wouldnt get the dvb cards to work anyway |
| [15:03:24] | |Torg|: | the libs are differnt, your missing alot of the qt stuff |
| [15:03:39] | |Torg|: | about the only thing you can use it for is a mysql server, its what I use mine for |
| [15:03:44] | asmussen: | You might be able to get something like the HD Homerun to work though. |
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| [15:04:04] | asmussen: | Anything that doesn't actually require a driver for the OS. |
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| [15:05:22] | asmussen: | Not sure why it'd be worth going to all the hassle of getting it to compile on Solaris, though. |
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| [15:07:21] | |Torg|: | well you could use zfs |
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| [15:07:57] | cheeseboy: | hi i have evega in D tube |
| [15:08:15] | cheeseboy: | any way i can get it to work on ubuntu? |
| [15:10:34] | directhex: | was that english? O_o |
| [15:11:08] | cheeseboy: | its the name of the usb tuner |
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| [15:21:13] | Kelerion: | bah |
| [15:21:19] | Kelerion: | must have hiccuped |
| [15:21:24] | Kelerion: | I thought it went a bit quiet |
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| [15:32:06] | iamlindoro_: | EvilGuru, Yeah, Myth Internal is the only thing that plays them acceptably. ffplay is a joke even on a beastly system. mplayer seems to crash for everyone. |
| [15:32:20] | EvilGuru: | Same |
| [15:32:50] | iamlindoro_: | Would probably be worth uploading samples to the mplayer samples ftp for them to get them working |
| [15:32:54] | EvilGuru: | I tried a 3Ghz Core 2 and a 2.5Ghz quad core 2 |
| [15:33:56] | iamlindoro_: | Internal does a great job, though. Much more so if you turn off deinterlacing and apply the skiploopfilter patch |
| [15:34:09] | EvilGuru: | How does Myth playback h264? Is it libavcodec which is slow at decoding, or just ffplay that is plain sucky |
| [15:34:14] | iamlindoro_: | Actually this is the first example I know of of Myth's internal player blowing away all other linux players :) |
| [15:34:20] | iamlindoro_: | ffplay sucks |
| [15:34:25] | iamlindoro_: | myth uses libavcodec as ffplay does |
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| [15:34:33] | iamlindoro_: | Just does a much better job of it |
| [15:34:57] | EvilGuru: | The MPEG2 file though is fantastic, plays back fine (/me now wants HD) |
| [15:35:04] | iamlindoro_: | I think the emphasis of ffplay is to test that a format can be played, not necessarily to be a player |
| [15:35:30] | iamlindoro_: | Heh... Pretty darn close qualitywise between the firewire dump and the 13.5 Mbit h.264 |
| [15:36:04] | EvilGuru: | I did look at some stills, 13.5 is quite fantastic |
| [15:36:14] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah... I think I'm just gonna leave it cranked up |
| [15:37:37] | |Torg|: | I cant even get mplayer to play them |
| [15:37:39] | EvilGuru: | My average at the moment is 3Mbit/s, so a 4.5x increase is nothing (disk prices have plummeted since I got the disks in my myth box) |
| [15:37:46] | |Torg|: | then I dont reallmy maintain my mplayer anyway |
| [15:37:49] | iamlindoro_: | |Torg|, mplayer won't play them |
| [15:38:07] | |Torg|: | have you tired teh dshowserver with it? |
| [15:38:13] | iamlindoro_: | yes, that's CoreAVC |
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| [15:38:36] | iamlindoro_: | oh, you mean with mplayer? |
| [15:38:39] | iamlindoro_: | no, haven't tried |
| [15:38:51] | iamlindoro_: | Only patched myth for it |
| [15:39:02] | EvilGuru: | Do you use CoreAVC then? |
| [15:39:16] | iamlindoro_: | EvilGuru, Just started experimenting with it for purposes of these files. |
| [15:40:00] | |Torg|: | I have CoreAVC but only to test with, I found that with skiploopfilter I could play the ts stream 100% without it about 99% |
| [15:40:01] | iamlindoro_: | EvilGuru, I can juuuuust barely get my systems all to play the 13.5 stuff with skiploopfilter patch applied, but I wanted to see if CoreAVC could leave me some room for error, and it was a huge help |
| [15:40:18] | |Torg|: | so I concuded my CPU was fast enough if I want to simply ignore the occasional skip |
| [15:40:19] | EvilGuru: | What spec are your systems? |
| [15:40:31] | |Torg|: | Q6600, 4G ram |
| [15:40:45] | |Torg|: | I dont dare try it on any other ones |
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| [15:41:04] | EvilGuru: | I looked at top while decoding and noticed little load on the other cores |
| [15:41:21] | |Torg|: | with ffmpeg set at 4 cores I notice it uses 3 |
| [15:41:48] | |Torg|: | spreads load mostly acorss them with each at about 60%, it does spike at times, but thats the 1% when it skips I assume |
| [15:41:53] | iamlindoro_: | EvilGuru, stock myth can't use more than one core w/ HD-PVr material |
| [15:42:40] | EvilGuru: | Guess a faster dual core is a better bet at the moment then |
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| [15:42:56] | iamlindoro_: | w/ coreavc it will multithread, which for me at least has shown great results |
| [15:43:38] | Tominator: | hi! |
| [15:43:45] | cesman: | hi! |
| [15:44:52] | iamlindoro_: | hi! |
| [15:45:02] | ** iamlindoro_ feels dirty ** | |
| [15:45:18] | EvilGuru: | s/feels/is/ |
| [15:45:21] | iamlindoro_: | true |
| [15:45:42] | Tominator: | i've got a little problem with connecting to my mythtv backend (on a different mashine)... it always says that myth tv couldn't connect to mysql... http://paste.ubuntu.com/20645/ ... do I have to change something in the mysql config on the server? |
| [15:49:36] | sid3windr: | it should be listening on the external ip (so not 127.0.0.1) and your user should be allowed to connect from the outside |
| [15:51:19] | GreyFoxx: | iam: That multithreading is why the ffmpeg framelevel stuff is so exciting |
| [15:52:30] | Tominator: | sid3windr: okay... I'll look it up how to do it... thanks mate ;) |
| [15:53:04] | sid3windr: | I think it's on the myth wiki, not sure |
| [15:53:05] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx, yeah |
| [15:53:43] | iamlindoro_: | Tominator, it's generally in /etc/mysql/my.cnf, setting "bind-address" |
| [15:53:58] | iamlindoro_: | change from localhost or 127.0.0.1 to your actual IP |
| [15:54:10] | Tominator: | oh okay :) thanks a lot :D |
| [15:54:29] | ** EvilGuru has seen a lot of GSoC projects fail :( ** | |
| [15:54:43] | EvilGuru: | normally the awesome/ambitious ones |
| [15:55:40] | iamlindoro_: | The guy doing the work has already committed a shitload of patches, I'm confident he's going to finish |
| [15:56:03] | |Torg|: | iamlindoro did you patch myth for coreavc? |
| [15:56:22] | iamlindoro_: | |Torg|, yes |
| [15:57:02] | |Torg|: | I would like to know why the ts's you made wont multicore, but other h264 will |
| [15:57:24] | Dibblah: | I like the look of the GPGPU xvmc, personally. |
| [15:57:39] | Dibblah: | |Torg|: There are many different 'options' on h264. |
| [15:57:42] | iamlindoro_: | |Torg|, because ffmpeg can only multithread slice-encoded h.264 |
| [15:57:53] | Dibblah: | Some are really hard to support. |
| [15:57:55] | iamlindoro_: | and the HD-PVR outputs single-sliced recordings |
| [15:58:21] | Dibblah: | Therefore, things like hardware encoders go for the simplest profile they can. |
| [15:58:51] | Dibblah: | ... Which is not necessarily the easiest to multithread, etc. |
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| [15:59:21] | Dibblah: | As iamlindoro sait. |
| [15:59:25] | Dibblah: | said. |
| [16:01:11] | iamlindoro_: | Thus spake iamlindoro, and it was good |
| [16:03:06] | GreyFoxx: | dibblah.... there is a gpgpu xvmc project? |
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| [16:05:55] | EvilGuru: | Log bot might have a link to it... somewhere |
| [16:08:10] | |Torg|: | http://www.gpgpu.org/ ? |
| [16:08:43] | justinh: | http://www.gpgpu.org/ ? |
| [16:08:47] | justinh: | damn |
| [16:09:34] | GreyFoxx: | That I found, but I'm looking specifically for info on an xvmc implementation using it since I can't find it anywhere :) |
| [16:10:19] | Dibblah: | Yes, there is. It's a GSoC |
| [16:11:03] | Dibblah: | GreyFoxx: http://www.bitblit.org/gsoc/g3dvl/index.shtml |
| [16:11:58] | iamlindoro_: | Wow, amibitious project |
| [16:12:27] | GreyFoxx: | Nifty! |
| [16:13:00] | iamlindoro_: | I guess on some level it wouldn't surprise me in the least if a single motivated coder got the whole shebang working before VAAPI |
| [16:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | A GPU based deinterlacer would be neat too |
| [16:13:12] | GreyFoxx: | since the GPU's could do that now and would save a lot of cpu |
| [16:14:40] | Dibblah: | Depends. |
| [16:14:55] | Dibblah: | The higher level deinterlacers would be more difficult, I think. |
| [16:15:08] | Dibblah: | It would require triple+ buffering the output frame. |
| [16:15:26] | EvilGuru: | I believe in the Windows world both ATI and nVidia provide such a feature |
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| [16:15:43] | Dibblah: | However, given the amount of bandwidth, the gain in speed would be appreciable. |
| [16:15:53] | justinh: | bloody hell there are tracks on itunes which are blatently recorded from vinyl |
| [16:15:59] | EvilGuru: | iamlindoro_: Do you de-interlace HD output at all? |
| [16:16:31] | iamlindoro_: | EvilGuru, to get it working on my mid-range system w/o patching I turned off deinterlacing... CoreAVC has its own deinterlacer so when using that, yes, it's deinterlaced |
| [16:16:52] | iamlindoro_: | that's speaking only of HD-PVr stuff, any other HD material I use works fine with the internal deinterlacers on my systems |
| [16:16:53] | Tominator: | hi! got mythtv working now (nearly) but the video signal is quite bad... (it's transferred over network)... my backend mashine is quite good (2x1,9 ghz and 2gb ram)... how do I make use of this power to encrease the quality of the stream? |
| [16:17:10] | justinh: | eh? |
| [16:17:23] | justinh: | start making sense Tominator, somebody might be able to help |
| [16:17:33] | iamlindoro_: | I hear you need one of those Denon network cables to increase the quality of the stream over the network |
| [16:18:19] | dustybin: | Tominator: http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp |
| [16:18:26] | EvilGuru: | I concur |
| [16:18:31] | Dibblah: | Tominator: What does your issue actually look like? |
| [16:18:34] | dustybin: | those can make a BIG difference |
| [16:18:34] | justinh: | yeah those denon things are cool. made by virgins in outer mongolia |
| [16:18:49] | Tominator: | sorry... my english isn't that good... my backend is on a quite good mashine but the encoded tv-signal that is streamed to my frontend (via lan) is quite bad... how do I encrease the quality of the stream? |
| [16:19:03] | dustybin: | Tominator: http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp |
| [16:19:11] | iamlindoro_: | Haha, we have to stop or he might buy one |
| [16:19:15] | justinh: | only by increasing the quality of the TV signal and/or the tuner card |
| [16:19:20] | iamlindoro_: | Tominator, what capture card are you using? |
| [16:19:26] | justinh: | framegrabber! |
| [16:19:34] | Tominator: | oh well... one sec |
| [16:19:36] | iamlindoro_: | Probably ;) |
| [16:20:06] | Tominator: | could it be that one? |
| [16:20:07] | Tominator: | 00:09.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) |
| [16:20:09] | justinh: | wheee now got Monkey See Monkey Do by Westbam back in my collection |
| [16:20:11] | iamlindoro_: | YES |
| [16:20:14] | iamlindoro_: | good call justdave |
| [16:20:16] | iamlindoro_: | justinh |
| [16:20:24] | Tominator: | it's actually from wintv but I don't know the model :-/ |
| [16:20:42] | justinh: | the model isn't important |
| [16:20:53] | justinh: | analogue tv looks like crap from framegrabber tuners |
| [16:20:53] | iamlindoro_: | Tominator, you need to edit your recording profiles and increase the bitrate/play with resolutions... even then, analog capture will always be... well, bad. |
| [16:21:04] | PatrickDK: | probably just a wintv, no extra model added to it |
| [16:21:49] | ** Dibblah worries about all of these people disabling the in-loop deblocking filter without knowing what it does. ** | |
| [16:21:52] | justinh: | the only thing you can really try is increasing the bitrate of the livetv & default recording profiles. you do that by going into mythfrontend menus as follows: utils/setup > setup > tv settings > recording profiles |
| [16:22:10] | Tominator: | oh... well I thought something like that :-/ but i have no idea of dvb-c and i think the cards are quite expensive, aren't they? |
| [16:22:11] | justinh: | Dibblah: I wouldn't worry. let them eat cake! |
| [16:22:13] | Tominator: | okay |
| [16:22:18] | iamlindoro_: | Dibblah, Heh, sure they know! I gives them MOAR SPEED! ;) |
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| [16:22:31] | |Torg|: | I know what the loopfilter does, and I dont like the fact I have to disable it |
| [16:22:45] | justinh: | not something I'd ever lose sleep over but then I have no conscience |
| [16:23:06] | Dibblah: | |Torg|: disableloopfilter is not a boolean. You don't disable it. |
| [16:23:40] | Dibblah: | You set it to work on keyframes only – That way the drift is only one keyframe long. |
| [16:24:01] | Tominator: | justinh: whats the best option? I chose High Quality... |
| [16:24:02] | |Torg|: | I said I know what the loop filter was, it imples I know what disableloopfilter does |
| [16:24:30] | Dibblah: | Which takes 1/16th of the processing power of skiploopfilter=none |
| [16:24:30] | justinh: | Tominator: the live tv recording profile is for live tv only. if you want to change the settings for livetv you change THAT one |
| [16:25:01] | Dibblah: | |Torg|: Do you actually, though? ;) |
| [16:25:07] | justinh: | Tominator: the others are profiles used for recordings which you set up yourself. the 'default' profile is perhaps unsurprisingly the *default* profile used when you schedule a recording |
| [16:25:20] | Dibblah: | What have you got it set at at the moment? =all? |
| [16:25:31] | justinh: | you can of course select other profiles when you schedule a recording but that's extra effort |
| [16:26:08] | |Torg|: | yes its a deblocking filter to improve prediction and visual quality |
| [16:26:33] | Dibblah: | |Torg|: I think I may not be being clear :) |
| [16:26:45] | justinh: | Tominator: try increasing the bitrate first, that should make the image look less blocky. if the video still looks a little blurry, then try increasing the capture resolution to 720x576 if you live in Europe |
| [16:26:47] | Dibblah: | skiploopfilter=nonkey is the one that I'm personally using. |
| [16:27:17] | Dibblah: | It skips the individual frame loopfilter but still does it for keyframes. |
| [16:27:38] | justinh: | Dibblah: is this in the wiki yet? ;) |
| [16:27:50] | Dibblah: | skiploopfilter=all is asking for nasty effects after watching a video for some time. |
| [16:28:05] | Dibblah: | justinh: Nope. |
| [16:28:19] | iamlindoro_: | Dibblah, It's been a while since I checked it, but IIRC the skiploopfilter patch applied to myth is hard coded to "all" |
| [16:28:36] | Dibblah: | gbee was looking at it, but I'm not sure what conclusion he came to. |
| [16:28:38] | |Torg|: | well at this point it isnt how I plan on keeping my system, its to test at what bitrates I can play with what options and how well the FE puts up with h264 |
| [16:28:42] | Dibblah: | iamlindoro: Yes, which is silly. |
| [16:29:08] | Dibblah: | And points to the implementor just looking for a twiddlable and not quite getting the options on it. |
| [16:29:38] | iamlindoro_: | Dibblah, oh no doubt-- I think it was kind of submitted as a stopgap measure, and the disposition of the ticket was set to something like "I will look to add a way to more precisely adjust libavcodec options." |
| [16:30:06] | |Torg|: | enc->skip_loop_filter = AVDISCARD_ALL; |
| [16:30:07] | Dibblah: | |Torg|: skiploopfilter only applies to h264 video. If it's the only way to play it, leave it to 'all' or try 'nonkey' or the other options? |
| [16:30:10] | |Torg|: | yes it is set to all or nothing |
| [16:30:20] | Dibblah: | |Torg|: No, it is not. |
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| [16:30:37] | |Torg|: | the option no, I was talkign about the patch |
| [16:30:41] | Dibblah: | AVDISCARD_NONKEY is another option. |
| [16:30:49] | Dibblah: | Ah, right :) |
| [16:30:51] | BULLE: | ciao!!! |
| [16:31:01] | Tominator: | justinh: I'm not reall |
| [16:31:06] | Tominator: | sorry |
| [16:31:08] | Tominator: | one sec :D |
| [16:31:15] | BULLE: | is there any reason NOT to use a 64bit linux os install for mythtv these days ? |
| [16:31:33] | BULLE: | or should i go for 32bit even though box has core2duo cpu ? |
| [16:31:42] | Tominator: | I'm too stupid to change channels.. how do I do that? |
| [16:31:47] | BULLE: | im thinking ubuntu 8.04 LTS |
| [16:31:56] | BULLE: | Tominator: /join #channelname |
| [16:32:21] | Tominator: | BULLE: sorry... I mean in mythtv ;) |
| [16:32:50] | Tominator: | when I press up and down nothing happens :D |
| [16:33:00] | iamlindoro_: | BULLE, the *only* reason I can think is if you have a bunch of WMV videos with wmapro audio, and therefore need win32codecs |
| [16:33:15] | iamlindoro_: | BULLE, otherwise, myth works perfectly on 64 bit-- all of my systems are 64 bit |
| [16:33:38] | BULLE: | iamlindoro_: okies, thanks, thats basicly all i needed to know, 64bit it is then |
| [16:34:03] | Dibblah: | win32codecs? In myth? ;) |
| [16:34:13] | iamlindoro_: | Dibblah, by way of mplayer, anyway |
| [16:34:20] | Dibblah: | Don't tell me you use mplayer to play your videos still!!! ;) |
| [16:34:20] | BULLE: | Dibblah: i guess if you download external files, and play them via mythvideo or similar |
| [16:34:29] | BULLE: | Dibblah: i do! but i run 0.18 still |
| [16:34:30] | iamlindoro_: | Dibblah, nope, not me |
| [16:34:45] | Dibblah: | BULLE: Wow. That's old. |
| [16:34:53] | BULLE: | Dibblah: ye, its time to upgrade |
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| [16:35:18] | BULLE: | Dibblah: havent bothered to upgrade realy, it worked well, but now, i got some new hardware, so i think its time to do something about it |
| [16:36:47] | BULLE: | bouth new hd, so i need a new installation |
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| [17:13:41] | luke512: | even on the dangerous that i'll be kicked here i try it again...does anybody can help me with the problems on tv-out with pvr 350 cause i have read that it work |
| [17:14:14] | iamlindoro_: | luke512, same answer as last time... |
| [17:14:28] | iamlindoro_: | especially since last time you were getting answers straight from a bit group of myth devs |
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| [17:16:05] | luke512: | but i still can't believe that windows is on top at those things |
| [17:16:24] | justinh: | luke512: nevermind that. it won't work |
| [17:16:43] | justinh: | support for pvr350 video output has been flaky for a long time |
| [17:17:00] | justinh: | no mythtv devs use them anymore so it's highly likely support will be DROPPED |
| [17:17:18] | justinh: | well er – to keep it on the official line – not dropped as such |
| [17:17:32] | justinh: | if it breaks, it's unlikely to get fixed |
| [17:18:02] | luke512: | but why is it included in mythdora 5 |
| [17:18:08] | justinh: | ask them! |
| [17:18:14] | justinh: | and ask them how to get it working |
| [17:18:18] | luke512: | this version is from aboput 3 wekks ago |
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| [17:18:26] | justinh: | since they're the ones who led you up the garden path! |
| [17:18:36] | luke512: | oh about 3 weeks ago |
| [17:19:04] | justinh: | and just because it's a setup option it doesn't mean it still works |
| [17:19:28] | Dagmar: | OKay, wow. I'm glad I actually looked at that MythWeb button issue now. |
| [17:19:40] | Dagmar: | There's *LOTS* of ways to style buttons I knew squat about |
| [17:20:31] | luke512: | ok than i asked here wich GPU will be best to deliver tv-out on PAL? |
| [17:20:51] | luke512: | and works on MythTV |
| [17:21:14] | Dagmar: | luke512: Probably nVidia 5200 |
| [17:21:53] | luke512: | ok i try it cause my girl friend has one in here system |
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| [17:25:11] | iamlindoro_: | Why are you re-asking the same questions? Couldn't you just have read them the first time we answered all of them? |
| [17:25:59] | Dagmar: | Ooo very lame |
| [17:26:01] | justinh: | word to the wise if you're wanting tv out on nvidia in linux – go with the binary driver |
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| [17:26:21] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar, yesterday, no less |
| [17:26:30] | luke512: | i still can't believe that linux is worse on those things than windows |
| [17:26:47] | justinh: | jesus |
| [17:26:54] | justinh: | you ask for advice just fucking TAKE IT! |
| [17:27:04] | Dagmar: | Worse on *what* things |
| [17:27:18] | justinh: | another retard on the list |
| [17:27:28] | luke512: | getting a tv-out |
| [17:27:34] | Dagmar: | justinh: Come now. There are no retards on the list. |
| [17:27:39] | Dagmar: | That's just crazy talk. |
| [17:27:45] | iamlindoro_: | Windows has native drivers written by Hauppauge devs... linux has community drivers and, thankfully, users who know when to throw away old useless shit |
| [17:28:28] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar, think he means his ignore list :) |
| [17:28:46] | Dagmar: | Ah |
| [17:29:12] | luke512: | ok forget it...thank you very much |
| [17:29:43] | luke512: | bye |
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| [17:30:25] | iamlindoro_: | god help us all if he manages to make it work, we'll never hear the end of it |
| [17:35:03] | Ace2016: | Ok the menu theme is almost done http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=04bf2.png |
| [17:35:15] | Ace2016: | no i need to add mythtv and the title |
| [17:35:21] | Ace2016: | and the list buttons |
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| [17:38:02] | Balachmar_: | Hi, I want to install mythtv on a new machine, previously I used lvm, but now I understand that I can use storage groups as well |
| [17:38:20] | Balachmar_: | but previously I let the lvg point to /var/lib |
| [17:38:35] | Balachmar_: | but where should I mount the extra disk to? |
| [17:38:50] | Balachmar_: | Or can I let them both be mounted to /var/lib? |
| [17:40:11] | Dagmar: | er, what? |
| [17:40:33] | Dagmar: | What extra disk are you talking about |
| [17:41:21] | Balachmar_: | Well I have two disks, previously I used lvm to be able to span the mythtv recordings over the two disks |
| [17:41:24] | iamlindoro_: | Balachmar_, mounted disks must have their own mountpoints |
| [17:41:30] | asmussen: | Are you currently using /var/lib as your storage directory? |
| [17:41:36] | iamlindoro_: | Balachmar_, you just add them in mythtv-setup, and it's managed by myth |
| [17:41:57] | Balachmar_: | @iamlindoro, what would be a good mountpoint to use then, something in /media? |
| [17:41:59] | Dagmar: | Balachmar_: You can stsill do that |
| [17:42:16] | Dagmar: | "Storage groups" in MythTV have *nothing* to do with LVM. |
| [17:42:24] | iamlindoro_: | you can mount anywhere you want |
| [17:42:27] | Balachmar_: | @Dagmar I know, but I would like to use the storage groups now, instead of lvm |
| [17:42:27] | iamlindoro_: | it's your world, baby |
| [17:42:36] | asmussen: | I don't think it really matters what you use for your mountpoints. It's strictly a matter of personal preference. |
| [17:42:59] | Balachmar_: | @iamlindoro_: ok, I'll use something in media then :) Since it is my world :) |
| [17:44:40] | Dagmar: | Balachmar_: Okay, so it's a bit too late now unless youv'e got enough space to move all those recordings out of your LVM filesystems |
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| [17:45:11] | Balachmar_: | I am doing a full reinstall, so the recording are already moved |
| [17:46:16] | Balachmar_: | experimented a bit too often on this machine |
| [17:46:42] | Ace2016: | i'd mount them to somewhere like, /storage/drive1 or use a drive name or identifier instead of storage 1 so if i'm replacing it i'd know what to backup |
| [17:47:27] | Balachmar_: | ace2016: that is a good idea |
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| [18:09:33] | whoDat_: | is there a way to display resolution and fps of the current video playing? |
| [18:10:28] | justinh: | Ace2016: your gaussian blur on the selected menu item is clipped. other than that, I can definitely say I'm not unimpressed :) |
| [18:10:54] | Ace2016: | yea i saw it clipping, i'll sort it after i do the icons |
| [18:11:07] | justinh: | I really love how you've kind of put a light behind the icon. that clinches it, and I'm stealing that idea :P |
| [18:12:12] | Ace2016: | ok |
| [18:12:22] | justinh: | about time there were more themes that weren't rip-offs of other things, oh and 4:3 ones! very clean looking – hope you can carry that through the rest of the screens |
| [18:12:54] | ** justinh watches everybody stand back in amazement at him giving praise to an 'outsider' with a new theme idea ** | |
| [18:13:40] | justinh: | Ace2016: I suspect you'll like the mirror & shear features in mythui which'll no doubt be part of 0.22 |
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| [18:13:56] | directhex: | wha? positive comment? |
| [18:14:00] | directhex: | LINK PLZ KKTHX! |
| [18:14:12] | justinh: | http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=04bf2.png |
| [18:14:23] | Ace2016: | mirror would be very useful |
| [18:14:49] | Ace2016: | well actually it would depend on how good the mirror was in comparison to the png, and how fast it was |
| [18:15:09] | directhex: | zomg! clipping! |
| [18:15:39] | justinh: | Ace2016: it's good, and it's done early on IIRC – at loading time I think |
| [18:16:19] | justinh: | directhex: aye but other than that it's swish I think. very clean |
| [18:16:22] | Ace2016: | yea i'm fixing the clipping |
| [18:16:37] | justinh: | and 4:3 which might please those people on neanderthal TV land |
| [18:16:42] | justinh: | s/on/in |
| [18:17:27] | justinh: | Ace2016: so you've just started drawing the icons then? I always found those very time consuming & I've yet to make any I'm 100% happy with |
| [18:17:57] | justinh: | nuvola svg icons came very close but they're not specialised enough |
| [18:18:00] | Ace2016: | i'm happy with half of my icons, the dvd and multimedia icons seem to be the hardest |
| [18:18:31] | justinh: | I always found the more abstract concepts hard to draw succinctly |
| [18:19:12] | justinh: | representing a TV guide in an icon isn't as easy at it sounds, unless you just pinch one from mediaportal :P |
| [18:23:25] | justinh: | anyway, you're free to look at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/gw/watermarks/ if you want to pinch ideas |
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| [18:24:06] | justinh: | I can't supply them as svg though.. they're not drawn in anything capable of svg output |
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| [18:25:12] | Ace2016: | ok thanks |
| [18:25:15] | Ace2016: | brb |
| [18:25:24] | justinh: | Ace2016: and any questions you have, feel free to ask me in here (not PM though) |
| [18:26:46] | sebrock: | Hi again guys, it seems kjournald and pdflush are the two processes that are constantly accessing my disc. Tried "noatime" in fstab but that did not help. Im using 1GB of RAM so there should be no SWAP issue really... any clues? |
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| [18:28:08] | sebrock: | this is driving me crazy |
| [18:30:04] | Dibblah: | sebrock: pdflush is not accessing your disk. |
| [18:30:19] | Dibblah: | kjournald is not accessing your disk. |
| [18:30:31] | Dibblah: | They're both symptoms of something _else_ accessing it. |
| [18:30:52] | sebrock: | well my dmesg tells me WRITE on them two |
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| [18:31:09] | sebrock: | this is when I dont touch anything, totally idle system |
| [18:31:29] | sebrock: | why would kjournald not write to the disc? |
| [18:31:46] | Ace2016: | maybe something is using it to write to the disk? |
| [18:31:57] | sebrock: | [ 6691.516770] kjournald(1813): WRITE block 710949504 on sda1 |
| [18:31:57] | sebrock: | [ 6691.516781] kjournald(1813): WRITE block 709925704 on sda1 |
| [18:31:57] | sebrock: | [ 6691.516786] kjournald(1813): WRITE block 709925632 on sda1 |
| [18:31:59] | sebrock: | like that |
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| [18:32:32] | Dibblah: | kjournald (ISTR) is the kernel mode application that keeps the ext3 journal up to date. |
| [18:32:57] | Dibblah: | pdflush is the application that writes the dirty pages out from the page cache. |
| [18:33:02] | Roar-Shack: | whenever I manual schedule a recording ti won't show up in my recordings unless I record it with the "live tv" profile. Why won't it with the default profile? |
| [18:33:25] | sebrock: | Dibblah, yeah and what is the place to write stuff? HD? |
| [18:33:41] | Dibblah: | Oh goodness. |
| [18:33:50] | sebrock: | Im guessing it doesnt keep the journaling in RAM |
| [18:33:55] | Dibblah: | Yes, however, an application caused the data to be dirty. |
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| [18:34:16] | Dibblah: | No, the journal is not in RAM because that would negate the point of a journal. |
| [18:34:35] | sebrock: | right |
| [18:35:03] | Dibblah: | I assume you're following http://samwel.tk/laptop_mode/faq |
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| [18:35:14] | Dibblah: | 5. Spinup Debugging |
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| [18:36:46] | Dibblah: | sebrock: I don't know. Maybe try google first and get to somewhere like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=369759 |
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| [18:37:14] | Dibblah: | Roar-Shack: You have a filter set on your 'all programs' view. |
| [18:37:33] | Dibblah: | Press M or I or something in the 'watch recordings' screen. |
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| [18:38:12] | sebrock: | Dibblah, did all that already :( |
| [18:38:29] | Dibblah: | sebrock: Your expectations are wrong. |
| [18:38:44] | Dibblah: | The journal is updated regularly. |
| [18:38:54] | sebrock: | Dibblah, I showed you my output... |
| [18:39:00] | Dibblah: | If you don't want journaling, turn it off. |
| [18:39:04] | sebrock: | not every second |
| [18:39:08] | Dibblah: | Your point is? |
| [18:39:36] | sebrock: | My point is this is new, it used to be idle |
| [18:39:51] | sebrock: | and the disc life is shortened |
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| [18:40:24] | Roar-Shack: | Dibblah, thanks |
| [18:42:43] | justinh: | even a slight knock on the floor a machine is standing on is more likely to shorted a hdd's life more than a bunch of spinups |
| [18:42:50] | justinh: | s/shorted/shorten |
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| [18:43:15] | sebrock: | its not a bunch, its constant |
| [18:43:51] | sebrock: | anyway, using linux for some 2 years now I have never seen this before. That goes for other OSs aswell |
| [18:43:59] | justinh: | don't think I've ever spun my hdds down tbh |
| [18:44:08] | justinh: | they're on 24/7 AFAIK |
| [18:44:34] | justinh: | if any fail, they fail. so I have to replace them. maybe I lose my recordings. no big deal |
| [18:45:13] | asmussen: | Is it just that your hard drives are always spun up, sebrock, or that they are constantly being written to without stop? |
| [18:45:19] | BULLE: | justinh: if this is the old ubuntu bug, it does spin the disks up and down, constantly |
| [18:45:26] | BULLE: | justinh: we are talking several times a minute |
| [18:45:42] | justinh: | whoah |
| [18:45:43] | BULLE: | justinh: i think my laptop had the disks go up and down roughly 20 times a minute |
| [18:45:58] | justinh: | yeah I can see how *that* would be bad |
| [18:46:05] | BULLE: | justinh: yeah |
| [18:46:21] | Dibblah: | sebrock: What changed? |
| [18:46:25] | justinh: | wasn't even aware of such a problem til now |
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| [18:46:43] | sebrock: | asmussen, it is constantly being written to (every second) blink blink blink :) |
| [18:47:10] | Dibblah: | Which means it never spins down, which means the disk life is extended. |
| [18:47:41] | BULLE: | Dibblah: ye |
| [18:47:46] | Dibblah: | So... Once again. What changed? |
| [18:47:52] | sebrock: | never mind the spinning down, if it could be idle for some time I would be glad |
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| [18:48:12] | BULLE: | Dibblah: if he was hit by ubuntu bug, smartctl will show amazingly fast increase in spinup/spindown cycle count |
| [18:48:31] | BULLE: | doesnt sound like that is what he is suffering from though |
| [18:48:37] | sebrock: | well, I reinstalled, but I never made any changes to any hardware settings ever |
| [18:48:46] | sebrock: | no its not that bug |
| [18:48:52] | Dibblah: | Did you choose a different filesystem? |
| [18:48:57] | sebrock: | no still ext3 |
| [18:49:01] | Dibblah: | ... ext3 over ext2, maybe? |
| [18:49:14] | Dibblah: | Just change fstab to not journal. |
| [18:49:19] | sebrock: | used the default |
| [18:49:30] | sebrock: | I changed it to "noatime" |
| [18:49:33] | sebrock: | nothing... |
| [18:49:35] | XLV: | sebrock, anyhow, info on the ubuntu bug you'd get here |
| [18:49:37] | XLV: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3675960 |
| [18:49:50] | XLV: | and it affects lots of laptop drives, including mine |
| [18:49:59] | XLV: | maybe some desktop drives aswell |
| [18:50:15] | BULLE: | XLV: how did you solve it ? |
| [18:50:36] | BULLE: | XLV: i just tossed some hdparm -B 255 /dev/sda in some acpi script somewhere, so it disables the disk acpi stuff |
| [18:50:37] | sebrock: | this is a laptop disc |
| [18:50:40] | XLV: | BULLE, its in the thread there |
| [18:50:45] | sebrock: | didnt I say that :/ |
| [18:51:04] | Dibblah: | ie mount it as ext2 |
| [18:51:05] | BULLE: | sebrock: what does smartctl say about spinup/spindown cycle or what its called |
| [18:51:22] | XLV: | yeah, some batch scripts with hdparm -B 254 in certain dirs in ubuntu ( they are different for ubuntu 7.10 and ubuntu 8.04 ) |
| [18:51:32] | sebrock: | Im using Mythbuntu actually |
| [18:51:46] | BULLE: | sebrock: so what does smartctl say ? |
| [18:51:51] | GlemSom: | In mythweb... why is the last channel in "TV Listings" shown below the bar with all the times? It looks a bit odd |
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| [18:53:23] | sebrock: | BULLE, dont have that is it in any meta-package? |
| [18:53:53] | sebrock: | got it now |
| [18:54:32] | BULLE: | smartmontools |
| [18:55:20] | XLV: | sebrock, this works on hardy http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4897802&postcount=842 |
| [18:55:27] | XLV: | 8.04 |
| [18:55:42] | XLV: | this works on gutsy 7.10 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5031046&postcount=2 |
| [18:56:10] | sebrock: | BULLE, any specific parameter or just basic info? |
| [18:56:14] | Dibblah: | GlemSom: Which browser? |
| [18:56:45] | BULLE: | sebrock: Load_Cycle_Count |
| [18:56:51] | GlemSom: | Dibblah, firefox 2.0.0.14 |
| [18:57:08] | XLV: | my laptop came with vista, and i had similar problem in XP ( load_count_cycle increasing too fast ) i solved by getting hdparm for windows, creating a batch script with hdparm -B 254 and running it on startup |
| [18:57:08] | GlemSom: | Dibblah, screenshot -> http://peecee.dk/upload/view/119271/full |
| [18:57:13] | XLV: | vista wasnt affected |
| [18:57:36] | XLV: | sebrock, look at the links i posted they offer the solution and ways to identify the problem |
| [18:57:52] | Dibblah: | GlemSom: Oh, right. Paging. |
| [18:58:14] | GlemSom: | Dibblah, huh? |
| [18:58:16] | Dibblah: | It's not that the last one appears below the bar, it's that the bar appears every 20 items ;) |
| [18:58:32] | GlemSom: | ohh... that way :P |
| [18:58:45] | GlemSom: | It's just because I've never noticed that since I added channel 21 :P |
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| [19:01:19] | GlemSom: | Dibblah, Do you know id that can be changed? |
| [19:01:26] | sebrock: | BULLE, 193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 098 098 000 Old_age Always – 23349 |
| [19:01:26] | sebrock: | 223 Load_Retry_Count 0x000a 100 100 000 Old_age Always – 0 |
| [19:01:49] | Dibblah: | GlemSom: Not sure. Have a look in mythweb settings. |
| [19:01:51] | BULLE: | hmmm,23349 ? |
| [19:01:56] | BULLE: | that sounds pretty darn bad then i would say |
| [19:02:18] | Dibblah: | Depends how old the drive is. |
| [19:02:23] | XLV: | BULLE, according to that thread there, laptop hdds are rated up to 600K load_cycle_counts |
| [19:02:28] | XLV: | so its not that bad |
| [19:02:36] | BULLE: | XLV: well, the keyword is UP to |
| [19:02:52] | BULLE: | XLV: depends on model |
| [19:03:01] | XLV: | sebrock, find total operational time of hdd, from smart values, so you can find load_cycle_count per hour |
| [19:03:08] | XLV: | BULLE, most hdds are there or more |
| [19:03:21] | XLV: | BULLE, mine had 13K before i stopped it, less than a week of use |
| [19:03:41] | BULLE: | XLV: ye, sounds like what my disk did aswell |
| [19:04:04] | sebrock: | the disc is maybe 1 month with hardly any use |
| [19:04:29] | BULLE: | sebrock: ok, so you are hit by the bug then, i would say |
| [19:04:30] | sebrock: | most of the time its just idle |
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| [19:04:39] | sebrock: | Mmm I guess so |
| [19:04:45] | BULLE: | 12 months and you will be hitting roughly 300k |
| [19:04:49] | sebrock: | so Im trying what XLV posted |
| [19:04:51] | BULLE: | do that |
| [19:05:49] | XLV: | sebrock, if you are hit by the bug, do the sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep Load_Cycle_Count every 2 or 3 mins, if you see it increasing, you are affected |
| [19:06:25] | XLV: | for a 30 mins period |
| [19:06:46] | BULLE: | XLV: my disk didnt work like that, it just tended to work normaly, and then, magicaly start to spin up and down like mad, after being idle for to long |
| [19:07:10] | BULLE: | like it went into powersave mode, but kind of never managed to get out of it again, so it had to spin up for every operation |
| [19:07:53] | XLV: | but i'd say you are affected anyhow, 26K in one month means 36 load cycles per hour which is exactly what this bug is about, a load cycle every two or three mins |
| [19:10:22] | XLV: | also if you dual boot with xp, check there again with some util that reads smart data, i use speedfan ( it presents smart data in hex, convert them to decimal ) to see if its increasing there too, if it does: |
| [19:10:29] | XLV: | my laptop came with vista, and i had similar problem in XP ( load_count_cycle increasing too fast ) i solved by getting hdparm for windows, creating a batch script with hdparm -B 254 and running it on startup |
| [19:13:12] | sebrock: | Mmmm, that thing was it not a suspend issue? |
| [19:14:28] | sebrock: | brb |
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| [19:16:29] | sebrock: | Ok XLV it dint change anything |
| [19:16:35] | sebrock: | still blink blink blink... |
| [19:17:10] | XLV: | sebrock, then you need to try different values in the hdparm -B 254 command |
| [19:17:25] | XLV: | not all hdds use that same value to disable power management |
| [19:17:42] | XLV: | in my case, its a seagate 160GB sata and that value worked |
| [19:18:10] | XLV: | no need to reboot, just sudo hdparm /dev/sda -B 254 or whatever other value, see if it stops |
| [19:18:57] | XLV: | if it does, use that value on the scripts |
| [19:19:37] | sebrock: | http://pastebin.com/mc493466 |
| [19:19:42] | sebrock: | thats how dmesg looks like |
| [19:19:47] | sebrock: | that about 8 seconds |
| [19:20:40] | XLV: | sebrock, have you check load_cycle_count increase? it could very well be something other.. i dont remember having those messages in dmesg |
| [19:21:03] | iamlindoro_: | I hate to ask but... isn't this horribly offtopic? |
| [19:21:09] | iamlindoro_: | oh wait, I don't hate to ask |
| [19:21:11] | XLV: | it is.. |
| [19:21:33] | XLV: | anyhow, all info is on that ubuntuforums topic, sebrock you need to read it |
| [19:21:38] | iamlindoro_: | Or is this the old "because it happens on my mythbox it belongs in here" argument? |
| [19:21:43] | sebrock: | now: 23377 |
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| [19:23:23] | sebrock: | Why oh why! everything was just fine using 7.10 |
| [19:24:09] | BULLE: | sebrock: hmmm, tried to ask on ubuntu channels ? that dmesg output doesnt look good imho |
| [19:24:41] | BULLE: | sebrock: but yes 8.04, atleast the kernel they ship, seems to be pretty darn broken, i have it fail to boot half the times i turn on my laptop, and it kernelpanics on wlan driver and some other shit =( |
| [19:25:29] | sebrock: | Im thinking of reverting to 7.10 now... |
| [19:25:33] | sebrock: | this sucks |
| [19:25:36] | keith4: | revert to debian |
| [19:25:44] | iamlindoro_: | revert to minix |
| [19:25:48] | keith4: | yes! |
| [19:26:03] | keith4: | do you think there are pcHDTV drivers for minix? |
| [19:26:12] | sebrock: | BULLE, which kernel? |
| [19:26:13] | iamlindoro_: | Not *yet* |
| [19:26:26] | BULLE: | sebrock: 2.6.24 |
| [19:26:43] | sebrock: | I did a apt-upgrade to -18 |
| [19:26:49] | BULLE: | ye, i run -18 aswell |
| [19:27:01] | BULLE: | its the same for all the kernel revisions for 8.04 so far |
| [19:27:01] | sebrock: | mm... but it ships with -16 |
| [19:27:11] | sebrock: | maybe no difference |
| [19:27:22] | keith4: | i run 2.6.24 on my backend and frontends, don't have any problems |
| [19:27:52] | iamlindoro_: | keith4, Ah, but you presume there's anything even remotely myth related in this conversation ;) |
| [19:27:59] | ** keith4 grins ** | |
| [19:28:28] | keith4: | BULLE: what color is your case? I had a problem with a silver case, once |
| [19:28:49] | iamlindoro_: | OMG PONIEZ |
| [19:29:16] | keith4: | iamlindoro_: I can try to bring it slightly on topic... |
| [19:29:39] | keith4: | should i be concerned about dmesg being full of "ivtv0: All encoder VBI stream buffers are full. Dropping data." and "ivtv0: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough." |
| [19:29:40] | keith4: | ? |
| [19:30:02] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, but there's a module option to increase the # of buffers |
| [19:30:03] | BULLE: | keith4: its black, so its not the silver case |
| [19:30:15] | BULLE: | keith4: and the wlan stuff is a well known bug, that lots of people have reported |
| [19:30:20] | BULLE: | keith4: same goes for non booting kernel |
| [19:31:05] | keith4: | ah, yes. but lots of people also report that it *does* work. who shall we believe?! |
| [19:31:31] | keith4: | iamlindoro_: tell me more about these "module options" of which you speak |
| [19:31:31] | BULLE: | keith4: eh, dont be silly, if a bug hits 100% of all users, it wouldnt ever be out in the mainline kernel |
| [19:31:53] | keith4: | sure it would. they call those sections "experimental" |
| [19:32:06] | iamlindoro_: | keith4, I'd have to dig it up, but that's the answer you're looking for |
| [19:32:55] | BULLE: | keith4: nah, the experimental parts of the linux kernel are realy not that anymore, there have been lots of discussion about it on lkml and if they should just remove it all togheter |
| [19:33:08] | BULLE: | keith4: its sadly just missuse of the experimental labeling i guess |
| [19:33:16] | iamlindoro_: | keith4, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/users/35805 |
| [19:34:09] | keith4: | excellent, thanks |
| [19:34:29] | sebrock: | touché iamlindoro_ |
| [19:36:52] | keith4: | iamlindoro_: other than waiting to see if that error goes away, is there any way to find out if it actually set that option correctly, when I load the module? |
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| [19:37:46] | iamlindoro_: | none that I know of-- modinfo might yield something but I don't use ivtv so I dunno |
| [19:37:59] | keith4: | ok. thanks |
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| [19:38:39] | keith4: | 'modinfo ivtv' doesn't show anything. oh well |
| [19:41:06] | Anduin: | keith4: you can look at /sys/module/ivtv/parameters |
| [19:41:59] | keith4: | ooooh |
| [19:42:02] | keith4: | yay! |
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| [20:30:36] | hadees: | well that sucks, apparently there are technical problems with the HD-PVRs |
| [20:30:58] | hadees: | at least since I ordered later I should get a fixed one when they finally ship them |
| [20:31:19] | iamlindoro_: | hadees, Pretty much everyone who did has RMA'ed them, any further shipments should be fine |
| [20:31:27] | iamlindoro_: | Mine works fine :D |
| [20:31:27] | hadees: | i wonder if it is a firmware problem that can be updated or if early adopters will have to send them back |
| [20:31:36] | iamlindoro_: | it's not all the early adopters |
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| [20:32:04] | iamlindoro_: | two batches of the encoder chips. the newer batch requires a different voltage but they didn't know that... if you are on the first batch, you're fine. If you're later, you're not, it appears |
| [20:32:22] | iamlindoro_: | So anyone affected will need to RMA, anyone not is all set |
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| [20:33:04] | iamlindoro_: | And all the units going forward should be fine |
| [20:33:10] | hadees: | well lucky for me i ordered mine later so now mine has been delayed for the fix |
| [20:34:03] | hadees: | i wish there was some way for mythtv to figure out my cable box is off or not working right |
| [20:34:22] | hadees: | if the recording is one big black screen i wish it would stop using that tuner |
| [20:34:39] | iamlindoro_: | hadees, Why not figure out the discrete on and off codes, and put an on code at the beginning of any channel change? |
| [20:35:08] | hadees: | iamlindoro, well i was using firewire for channel changing |
| [20:35:09] | iamlindoro_: | Also, the Hd-PVr will not capture if no source is applied (ie black screen) |
| [20:35:21] | hadees: | just svideo for now |
| [20:35:28] | hadees: | till i get the HD-PVRs |
| [20:35:47] | hadees: | iamlindoro, thats good so it should fix my issue |
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| [21:48:45] | Dagmar: | OMG Full Throttle has an iced mocha |
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| [21:50:18] | hadees: | Dagmar, the old Lucas Arts Scumm game? |
| [21:50:58] | beandog: | I love that game. |
| [21:51:00] | Dagmar: | NOpe.. |
| [21:51:17] | Dagmar: | Right now, if my boss knew what I was drinking, he'd be filing a complaint against the snack shop next door. |
| [21:51:18] | Dagmar: | http://www.fullthrottleenergy.com/ |
| [21:51:29] | Dagmar: | They don't even have this Mocha one listed yet. It's apparently new. |
| [21:51:37] | iamlindoro_: | Mmmm, work ordered me a Macbook Air. Fun! |
| [21:51:42] | Dagmar: | ...and probably has 5–6 cups of caffiene in it |
| [21:51:47] | hadees: | beandog, it was a really damn good game |
| [21:52:02] | hadees: | never got why they didn't make a sequel |
| [21:52:25] | Dagmar: | I know why |
| [21:52:26] | iamlindoro_: | Because there are only six of us left alive who would rather play an adventure game than a FPS |
| [21:52:37] | Dagmar: | The same reason the made Howard the Duck |
| [21:52:42] | hadees: | iamlindoro_, can't i play both? |
| [21:53:02] | asmussen: | They tried to make a sequel twice, but development was cancelled both times. |
| [21:53:04] | iamlindoro_: | hadees, I'd take a good adventure game over a FPS any day, although I do occasionally enjoy both too :) |
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| [21:54:29] | wibbit_: | Hi All |
| [21:54:43] | wibbit_: | I was wondering if any one has a working set up with FreeSat from bbc/itv? |
| [21:55:18] | iamlindoro_: | may people have working BBCHD, ITVHD doesn't quite work yet, needs a patch that isn't the prettiest thing in the world |
| [21:55:25] | iamlindoro_: | s/may/many/ |
| [21:55:55] | wibbit_: | iamlindoro Is that due to the way in which the ITV set up works? (some thing about pressing the red button, which initiates the HD stream or some thing like that?0 |
| [21:56:23] | iamlindoro_: | Sort of, it claims to be a stream type which it isn't, more or less. I think the issues intersect |
| [21:56:39] | wibbit_: | iamlindoro_ fair enough |
| [21:56:43] | wibbit_: | next question :) |
| [21:57:02] | wibbit_: | Any one looked at the x4500HD product from Intel (G45 I think) |
| [21:57:23] | wibbit_: | Do we know if it has native support in the linux intel driver for the HD hardware decode? |
| [21:57:31] | iamlindoro_: | What in particular would you like to know about it? Intel graphics, in general, are well supported in linux |
| [21:57:42] | iamlindoro_: | wibbit_, do not expect h.264 support, MPEG-2 is a possibility |
| [21:58:02] | iamlindoro_: | h.264 hardware accel is still likely a very long way off across the board in linux, but Intel is likely to be the first to get it |
| [21:58:03] | wibbit_: | That's a pity, as the card is meant to be able to do hardware h.264 decode |
| [21:58:24] | iamlindoro_: | wibbit_, nvidia and ATI cards will do same, but no driver support for any of the above |
| [21:59:15] | wibbit_: | iamlindoro_ yah, i was kinda hoping that Intel was going to have their driver's working when it was released, as they tend to be better that way compared to NVidia (I can't even be bothered to talk about ati just yet) |
| [21:59:54] | iamlindoro_: | wibbit_, doesn't appear to be in the cards... VAAPI is coming along, but last I checked was nowhere near any tangible functionality |
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| [22:01:31] | wibbit_: | Am I right in saying, that at the moment, the problem is as much to do with a way of software passing off h.264 graphics acceleration to the hardware, as it is getting the hardware to do it? |
| [22:02:00] | iamlindoro_: | It's far more to do with the software/drivers than the hardware. the hardware will happily do it given the right drivers |
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| [22:02:46] | wibbit_: | and, drivers are not the be all and end all, the software needs to know to offload it? |
| [22:02:58] | AndyCap: | wibbit_: yes |
| [22:03:07] | wibbit_: | bugger |
| [22:03:11] | iamlindoro_: | Well, there needs to be an API for accessing that functionality, yes |
| [22:03:32] | AndyCap: | or you have to implement support for each drivers api in each player. which would suck |
| [22:03:53] | wibbit_: | AndyCap: Yah, that sucks too |
| [22:06:28] | wibbit_: | There was me hoping that with the G45 product being released, I could ditch NVidia, and get hardware based acceleration at a decent rate |
| [22:06:30] | wibbit_: | ho hum |
| [22:07:05] | AndyCap: | wibbit_: umm, you're not getting it with nvidia either, so why not? |
| [22:07:24] | wibbit_: | well, not h.264 |
| [22:08:19] | iamlindoro_: | wibbit_, Intel does XvMC too |
| [22:08:52] | iamlindoro_: | So you'd be more or less on the same footing |
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| [22:25:15] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: I guess in two days we'll find out if someone can be fired here for hyperactivity |
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| [22:28:13] | Dagmar: | http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evild . . . uctivity.jpg |
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| [22:48:35] | whoDat_: | must be an issue with using playback profiles with firewire |
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| [23:21:36] | iamlindoro: | What issue is there w/ Playback profiles + firewire? No issues here |
| [23:22:03] | iamlindoro: | All firewire does is dump MPEG-2 streams, there's very little to screw up |
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