| Sunday, June 15th, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:16] | chalco: | I'm mainly looking at options |
| [00:00:29] | stuartm: | but for mythtv? no, just record digital and output a NTSC signal from your graphics card |
| [00:02:07] | stuartm: | PVR-150+Converter probably costs more than an ATSC card (I'm not in the US so I can't say for certain), plus you get a poorer quality image as a result of the conversion and capture |
| [00:02:18] | chalco: | but I can't do that if I have a capture card that doesn't do ATSC, right? that's why I referred to the converter box. I am looking at the Hauppage WinTV-HVR-1600, but the drivers are still beta |
| [00:02:54] | chalco: | not that I'm scared off by beta, but they still seem a bit rough |
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| [00:03:42] | chalco: | I hadn't thought of that though... if I get the right card I can avoid the converter box |
| [00:04:20] | stuartm: | are you short of slots? |
| [00:04:46] | chalco: | I haven't picked a PC yet, but no |
| [00:05:25] | stuartm: | ok, because there has to be plenty of cheap ATSC only cards around |
| [00:07:06] | chalco: | I won't ask for a card recommendation, as I need to read a lot more :) |
| [00:07:29] | chalco: | I can integrate OTA and cable, though, right? |
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| [00:07:36] | stuartm: | I couldn't recommend one anyway, I only know DVB cards |
| [00:08:23] | |Torg|: | chalco: *SOME* cards can do both digital cable and ATSC, some can also do NTSC (analog cable and old bordcast) |
| [00:09:07] | chalco: | |Torg|, right, but so long as I have a card that handles both, or all three, it will work? |
| [00:09:25] | stuartm: | chalco: with the right cards you can have Terrestrial, Cable, Satellite, IPTV – some cards offer multiple tuners in a single device or you just just buy different cards for the job |
| [00:09:30] | |Torg|: | well only if you can plug in all three, your talking about three diffenrt connections |
| [00:09:49] | chalco: | |Torg|, right |
| [00:10:00] | chalco: | stuartm, cool |
| [00:10:01] | |Torg|: | if you wanted to do signital cable and atsc on teh same card for example you would need some sort of mux |
| [00:10:29] | stuartm: | e.g. my backends have several cards, 2x DVB-T (Terrestrial), 1xPVR-150 (analogue capture) and 1x DVB-S (Satellite) |
| [00:10:53] | |Torg|: | I have two ATSC cards in my MBE and 2 DVB-S cards in my SBE |
| [00:11:14] | |Torg|: | the ATSC cards use the DVB drivers, so they look like DVB cards to myth |
| [00:12:28] | stuartm: | the single cards that offer different tuners tend to be pricey and driver support is relatively new (requires patches etc) |
| [00:13:00] | stuartm: | single purpose cards are generally cheap and the drivers have been around for years |
| [00:13:06] | dustybin: | stuartm: why do you need a analogue capture card in 2008? |
| [00:13:31] | stuartm: | dustybin: used to use it to record off a STB |
| [00:13:36] | |Torg|: | there are many cable providers who will still send out NTSC signals after the digtial cutover |
| [00:13:36] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [00:14:06] | stuartm: | and still use it occassionally to capture from the camera I've got setup in the garden to watch the wildlife :) |
| [00:14:22] | dustybin: | haha cool |
| [00:15:22] | dustybin: | i want to set one up to motion detect birds when they walk past my house |
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| [00:15:32] | gbee: | heh |
| [00:16:25] | chalco: | I'll have to decide what I want to do. there it only one terrestrial station that I want that isn't on cable. I may just do what I do now, and accept that I can't use a PVR with it |
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| [00:19:09] | justinh: | dustybin: motion activated trapdoor? good plan! |
| [00:19:17] | dustybin: | lol |
| [00:23:42] | justinh: | jeepers I'd forgotten how much of a choon Starlight – Numero Uno is |
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| [00:31:56] | tv__: | hi I have a problem ‎have a Dvico dual digital 4 DVB tuner and when I try to scan for channels with mythtv-setup my computer just hard freezes I compiled the latest linux tv drivers any suggestions on how to diagnose this problem |
| [00:32:37] | dustybin: | tv__: make sure your also using a latest kernel |
| [00:33:11] | dustybin: | ive never witnessed a hard freeze in linux |
| [00:33:29] | tv__: | im using 2.6.24-18-generic |
| [00:33:39] | dustybin: | that sounds pretty new to me |
| [00:33:58] | tv__: | i think the latest is .25 |
| [00:34:19] | tv__: | but Ubuntu doesnt have it in the repository |
| [00:34:27] | dustybin: | does linuxtv report any problems / patches regarding that card? |
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| [00:36:51] | chalco: | thanks for the advice, everyone |
| [00:37:35] | tv__: | I dont think sp |
| [00:37:36] | tv__: | so |
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| [00:39:35] | tv__: | is there any way I can log the output from mythtv-setup |
| [00:39:52] | tv__: | so I can have a better idea what the problem is |
| [00:43:26] | fryfrog: | i spose you could do "mythtv-setup > /path/to/a/file |
| [00:44:28] | tv__: | cool thanks |
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| [01:03:56] | phiwum: | Hey ho. |
| [01:05:48] | phiwum: | I have a mythtv backend running on my desktop machine. I'd like to copy recorded programs to my laptop (or to a portable HD) so that I can view the programs when I'm away from home. This must be a fairly common task, but I don't know how to do it. |
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| [01:10:18] | dustybin: | ive applied the skiploopfilter patch, recompiled mythtv |
| [01:10:31] | dustybin: | i cannot see anything new in the playback profiles |
| [01:10:48] | dustybin: | should there be a new box what i can tick what says |
| [01:10:56] | dustybin: | skiploopfilter |
| [01:11:14] | justinh: | nope |
| [01:11:26] | justinh: | it's a database thing IIRC |
| [01:11:30] | dustybin: | oh |
| [01:11:48] | dustybin: | the plot thickens |
| [01:12:02] | phiwum: | No hints on my question? |
| [01:12:24] | justinh: | phiwum: mythrename.pl --link (google it) and the cp command ;) |
| [01:12:45] | justinh: | or click & copy in your fave file browser |
| [01:13:08] | justinh: | somebody might have made a wiki article about it. search the mythtv.org wiki |
| [01:15:56] | phiwum: | justinh: I see. So this would allow me to use, say, mplayer to view my recorded TV programs. Is it possible to also view them in mythfrontend. |
| [01:16:38] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: It's called "Loopfilter" and it's just to the right of MAx CPUs |
| [01:16:51] | iamlindoro: | and if you don't see it there... well, you're not running a patched copy of mythfrontend :) |
| [01:17:13] | phiwum: | Would I have to use a local mythbackend or can mythfrontend read the .nuv files in a directory and create a menu for them? |
| [01:17:18] | justinh: | if you make a new directory somewhere you have permission to write to & use the --link option of mythrename.pl it'll make symbolic links with friendly filenames. you can then copy those linked files |
| [01:17:25] | iamlindoro: | To turn loopfilter off uncheck the box. Box off = MOAR SPEED. Box on = MOAR PRETTY |
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| [01:17:42] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: dam its not there :( |
| [01:17:50] | justinh: | ahh. nuv files can only be played in mythtv & a couple of other players. not sure mplayer can |
| [01:18:11] | iamlindoro: | sounds like either the patch didn't do as planned, the compile didn't go as planned, the install didn't go as planned, or you are running some second install on mythfrontend |
| [01:18:30] | iamlindoro: | I'd guess the last one if you don't know exactly what you are doing w/r/t the --prefix= setting |
| [01:18:36] | dustybin: | i did make distclean before the compile |
| [01:18:44] | iamlindoro: | so? |
| [01:18:45] | justinh: | there's a gui setting now? |
| [01:18:53] | justinh: | dustybin: check your prefix ;) |
| [01:18:53] | iamlindoro: | justinh: only via patch |
| [01:19:50] | iamlindoro: | when you do locate mythfrontend, and it shows /usr/loca/bin/mythfrontend AND /usr/bin/mythfrontend, imagine us softly and uncomfortably giggling |
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| [01:21:07] | dustybin: | lol |
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| [01:21:54] | wagner: | the mythweb mythvideo 'scan collection' function needs to ask you before deleting files |
| [01:21:55] | dustybin: | heres the 1st |
| [01:21:56] | dustybin: | server:/usr/local/bin# ls mythfrontend -al |
| [01:21:57] | dustybin: | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 7337172 2008-06–15 01:46 mythfrontend |
| [01:22:01] | stoneymonster: | iamlindoro, how did you configure/patch myth to get audio on hdpvr files? I've built with --enable-libfaad and --enable-libfaac and I get: " AFD: No codec for stream index 1, type(Audio) id(AAC:86018)" on playback |
| [01:22:36] | dustybin: | server:/usr/bin# ls myth* -al |
| [01:22:37] | dustybin: | ls: cannot access myth*: No such file or directory |
| [01:22:43] | iamlindoro: | stoneymonster: I used the ubuntu patches which patch it to work properly |
| [01:22:43] | wagner: | ive got to rescan a couple hundred media files through IMDB because my server didnt have proper access to on of my raid arrays |
| [01:22:45] | dustybin: | there is only 1 frontend |
| [01:22:51] | wagner: | and i forgot to backup the database beforehand |
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| [01:23:08] | stoneymonster: | ah ok, have a pointer? |
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| [01:23:31] | iamlindoro: | stoneymonster: Are you running ubuntu? |
| [01:24:12] | stoneymonster: | iamlindoro: sadly no, not on the production backend. It's a bit of a moldy knoppmyth, but I have up-to-date libs and mythtv-21-fixes from svn |
| [01:24:23] | iamlindoro: | stoneymonster: no idea then, on Ubuntu it's apt-get source mythtv |
| [01:24:32] | iamlindoro: | which will download the source, patches, and patch the source for you |
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| [01:24:54] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: the patch didnt work |
| [01:24:57] | stoneymonster: | iamlindoro: ok, I'll see if I can figure out what's different by downloading on an ubuntu machine, thanks for the tip |
| [01:25:12] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: That patch works perfectly on .21-fixes |
| [01:25:30] | iamlindoro: | What command did you do to apply it? |
| [01:27:05] | dustybin: | im re-downloading the mythtv source and doing it fresh |
| [01:27:11] | dustybin: | ill paste the error |
| [01:28:28] | iamlindoro: | Presumably you downloaded the updated patch, as the old one would not apply to .21-fixes |
| [01:32:00] | dustybin: | grrrr ive lost the address for myth trunc |
| [01:32:05] | dustybin: | so i can svn co |
| [01:32:13] | dustybin: | google doesnt show anything |
| [01:32:16] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: You should *not* be running trunk |
| [01:32:27] | dustybin: | but the link shows me .21 fixes |
| [01:32:32] | iamlindoro: | svn.mythtv.org |
| [01:32:35] | iamlindoro: | go there |
| [01:32:38] | iamlindoro: | read the front page |
| [01:32:40] | dustybin: | aye thats the one |
| [01:32:57] | dustybin: | sorry i got mixed up with trac |
| [01:33:00] | dustybin: | and trunc lol |
| [01:33:03] | iamlindoro: | ah |
| [01:33:06] | iamlindoro: | I gotcha |
| [01:33:29] | dustybin: | im going to svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-21-fixes/mythtv/ |
| [01:33:34] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [01:34:07] | iamlindoro: | then copy the skiploopfilter patch into mythtv, then enter mythtv, then patch |
| [01:34:21] | dustybin: | shes coming down |
| [01:35:40] | dustybin: | irssi doesnt scroll up enough to pick up the link for the patch :( |
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| [01:35:59] | iamlindoro: | so go to the tickets and search for "deblock" |
| [01:36:04] | dustybin: | ok |
| [01:36:54] | dustybin: | right ok |
| [01:36:59] | dustybin: | im going to apply this patch: |
| [01:37:00] | dustybin: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . 446.diff.txt |
| [01:37:20] | dustybin: | wget http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/raw-attachment/tic . . . 446.diff.txt |
| [01:38:24] | dustybin: | i will apply the patch with this: |
| [01:38:26] | dustybin: | patch -p0 < skiplooppatch_16446.diff.txt |
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| [01:39:26] | dustybin: | this is what happened |
| [01:39:27] | dustybin: | http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2637 |
| [01:39:47] | dustybin: | 'patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line' |
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| [01:45:03] | asmussen: | I tried downloading that patch, dusty, and it may just not like the fact that there is no newline on the last line in the file. |
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| [01:46:33] | dustybin: | hmmm |
| [01:46:52] | asmussen: | Try appending one with: echo >> skiplooppatch_16446.diff.txt |
| [01:46:55] | asmussen: | And see if that helps |
| [01:47:05] | dustybin: | ok |
| [01:55:48] | dustybin: | i removed blank spaces at the end of the patch, now its patched ok :) ...just compiling again now |
| [01:56:13] | wagner: | how quickly should upnp respond to an addition in mythvideo? |
| [01:56:17] | wagner: | do i need to restart the backend? |
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| [01:56:51] | dustybin: | wagner: are you using a ps3 or xbox ? |
| [01:57:07] | wagner: | ps3 |
| [01:57:23] | wagner: | trying to rip some dvds in a way that it can read, but theyre not even showing up |
| [01:57:30] | wagner: | (aac/avc/mp4) |
| [01:57:57] | wagner: | restart the playstation? |
| [01:59:13] | dustybin: | wagner: i havent a clue |
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| [01:59:36] | wagner: | also, does restarting the master backend interrupt a recording on a slave backend? |
| [01:59:42] | dustybin: | wagner: what gfx chips do ps3 use? |
| [02:00:06] | wagner: | some geforce 7xxx derivative i believe |
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| [02:00:38] | dustybin: | so when one day there is h.264 GPU decoding on linux, you could turn your PS3 into a HD fronted |
| [02:00:54] | dustybin: | install linux onto the motorola CPU |
| [02:01:09] | wagner: | motorola CPU?? |
| [02:01:17] | dustybin: | aye thats what PS3s use |
| [02:01:42] | wagner: | the PS3 uses an stripped Power5 |
| [02:01:46] | wagner: | IBM chip |
| [02:01:51] | dustybin: | oh.. |
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| [02:02:34] | wagner: | a stripped power5, flanked by 8 VPUs (6 accessible) |
| [02:03:03] | wagner: | anyway, flipping between the gameOS and linux on that thing is a pain |
| [02:03:12] | gizmobay: | Anyone recommend speakers to use with myth. I like the Bose Companion 3 but them mofo's are expensive. |
| [02:03:33] | wagner: | any speakers you would normally include in an home theater system |
| [02:04:31] | gizmobay: | I don't have any good ones. All I have is the ones that came with my Dell. |
| [02:05:00] | wagner: | so you want to run mythtv on your desktop, rather than on your TV? |
| [02:05:47] | gizmobay: | I'm going to buy a flat panel. Currently running on my desktop |
| [02:06:35] | wagner: | just run through your flat panel's speakers |
| [02:06:39] | dustybin: | only powerpc builds work on the ps3 |
| [02:06:44] | wagner: | or, get a proper receiver and speaker set |
| [02:06:49] | wagner: | ive never been a fan of bose |
| [02:07:19] | gizmobay: | can't I just run speakers out of the back of the PC like I'm doing now |
| [02:07:29] | squish102: | bose = "buy other sound equipment" |
| [02:07:31] | wagner: | dustybin: yes, PPC builds work on the ps3... sort of |
| [02:08:05] | wagner: | the stripped power core has no out-of-order execution, so traditionally compiled code will run, but it will run horribly slow |
| [02:08:20] | dustybin: | oh |
| [02:08:30] | wagner: | there are custom builds out now that properly compile for the in order core, and take advantage of the SPEs |
| [02:09:15] | wagner: | squish102: yes, you can run standard computer speakers out of the back of your mythbox |
| [02:09:33] | squish102: | u mean gizmobay? |
| [02:09:34] | wagner: | but do you never intend to use the setup for more traditional uses? |
| [02:09:41] | wagner: | err...yeah, sorry |
| [02:10:06] | gizmobay: | u mean like running it into a stereo? |
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| [02:10:32] | squish102: | i'm just trolling and do think bose is trash |
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| [02:10:54] | wagner: | like watching normal, non-PVRd tv. watching a dvd/bluray in a normal player. playing video games. listening to the stereo. |
| [02:11:09] | squish102: | http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html < interesting link on bose |
| [02:11:37] | wagner: | if you ever think you might use something other than mythtv as a video source, you should get a normal receiver setup rather than computer speakers |
| [02:12:32] | gizmobay: | maybe I'll just plug it into the flat panel speakers |
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| [02:14:59] | squish102: | gizmobay, i think the logitech z-5500 has good reviews |
| [02:15:03] | squish102: | and cheap |
| [02:15:22] | gizmobay: | thanks squish |
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| [02:17:16] | squish102: | if in the US, look for deals to get it at < $200 |
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| [02:17:54] | gizmobay: | I'm looking on ebay right now |
| [02:19:10] | dustybin: | holy lord, check out the price of this ethernet cable |
| [02:19:12] | dustybin: | http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp |
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| [02:24:49] | gizmobay: | what's better 1080i or 1080p? |
| [02:25:44] | ajh: | You may want to read the wikipedia page on high def. |
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| [02:32:33] | wagner: | i dont understand what they could claim their 'denon link' does to necessitate a $500 cable |
| [02:33:18] | wagner: | it has to be digital, because theyre talking about pumping the audio from a DVD |
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| [02:34:38] | wagner: | at most, uncompressed digital audio could be ~800K/s |
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| [02:40:16] | ajh: | digital audio works as well over a coathanger as a gold cable. |
| [02:42:04] | wagner: | ajh: not entirely true |
| [02:42:33] | wagner: | digital audio works as well over a coathanger as a gold cable until the point where your loss gets high enough that youre not able to fully decode the signal |
| [02:42:59] | wagner: | and on a coathanger, that distance is probably pretty short |
| [02:43:08] | Pryon: | coathangers are pretty conductive (assuming you're not talking about wood or plastic) |
| [02:43:17] | ajh: | coathangers are short too :) |
| [02:43:50] | ajh: | I just remember Alan Cox getting pretty excited over a comparative test about 10 years ago when they did the coathanger last. :) |
| [02:44:04] | wagner: | well coathangers are so fat that there is relatively little resistance, but there is no shielding at all |
| [02:44:13] | wagner: | thats not going to last long in a noisy environment |
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| [02:45:01] | wagner: | but twisted pair in a balanced transmitter is good for tens of meters even on mediocre grade cable |
| [02:45:34] | ajh: | I've heard of people putting analog audio over mile long XLR's, audio isn't that demanding :) |
| [02:46:27] | ajh: | Even amplified there's little need for more than lamp cord. |
| [02:46:47] | ajh: | As long as it doesn't corrode. |
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| [04:31:08] | newbie: | how do i fix my left-click behavior in xfce? left click works, but only if I drag the mouse while holding the button down |
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| [04:51:28] | cesman: | dramman: #xfce |
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| [05:26:50] | gizmobay: | anyone know where I can find a DVI-I dual link cable to HDMI? |
| [05:28:23] | gizmobay: | in the us? |
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| [05:54:07] | cesman: | gizmobay: froogle? |
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| [05:58:07] | hadees: | do you think a 1.6hz mac mini can do hdtv cpu decoding? |
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| [06:02:41] | gizmobay: | thanks cesman |
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| [06:05:56] | cesman: | you're welcome |
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| [06:51:57] | wagner: | hadees: mpeg2 HD, certainly... AVC HD, youll choke on the higher bitrate stuff. |
| [06:52:34] | hadees: | wagner, what do you think about the appletv? |
| [06:53:08] | hadees: | i'm trying to decide on an nice cheap bed room frontend |
| [06:54:58] | wagner: | appletv has a 1GHz Crofton (single core 'centrino' variant) |
| [06:55:18] | wagner: | its not considerably faster than my 7yr old laptop |
| [06:57:14] | wagner: | you might be able to play some AVC DVD rips, anything HD is out of the question |
| [06:57:45] | wagner: | mpeg2 HD may be possible with XvMC, i dont know how much of a performance benefit that is |
| [07:02:34] | wagner: | gizmobay: do you want a DVI-I to HDMI or a DVI-D to HDMI? |
| [07:02:46] | wagner: | DVI-D carries digital only, and is compatible with HDMI |
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| [07:03:11] | wagner: | DVI-I carries both analog (VGA) and digital, HDMI cannot carry the analog signal |
| [07:03:24] | wagner: | anyway, check out monoprice.com |
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| [07:05:07] | wagner: | a decent ~6ft cable can probably be had there for $5 |
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| [07:46:05] | sebrock: | I need some help starting NFS on boot with fstab... I get mount.nfs: internal error. Guessing it has to do with networking starting to late... |
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| [07:54:52] | asmussen: | sebrock: What OS are you running? |
| [07:55:03] | sebrock: | mythbuntu |
| [07:55:25] | sebrock: | I tried to change position in rc2 but to no avail |
| [07:55:48] | sebrock: | But its clearly the network because rpcbind gets timed out |
| [07:56:14] | asmussen: | I've read about some known bugs with Ubuntu that cause this behavior. Not sure what the solution is, though. |
| [07:56:32] | asmussen: | Here's one page that references the problem, although there are others. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysvinit/+bug/45842 |
| [07:56:39] | sebrock: | Ive seen them too |
| [07:58:31] | asmussen: | I do see one comment that says that the problem is fixed on later versions of the sysinit package. What version are you running? |
| [07:59:37] | asmussen: | Or are you even running that? I'm more Redhat centric, and I notice that some of the comments seem to show that the sysinit stuff is optional. |
| [08:00:00] | sebrock: | dont have the machine up right now |
| [08:00:16] | sebrock: | however I have done a complete update/upgrade |
| [08:01:36] | asmussen: | That's about as much as I know about it. I just remembered seeing a reference to that problem. I don't have a lot of experience with Debian based distros. |
| [08:10:42] | sebrock: | MMm I think its a major bug anyway |
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| [08:30:03] | superm1: | sebrock, what kind of networkign? |
| [08:30:05] | superm1: | wireless? |
| [08:30:08] | superm1: | or wired? |
| [08:30:25] | superm1: | if wireless, then yeah i can see issues here. if it's wired, then upstart should be handling properly |
| [08:30:35] | sebrock: | wired |
| [08:30:44] | superm1: | so you have your mount in /etc/fstab |
| [08:30:50] | superm1: | and after boot if you issue mount /path/to/blah |
| [08:30:52] | superm1: | it works? |
| [08:30:53] | sebrock: | yes, mount -a works fine |
| [08:30:57] | sebrock: | after boot |
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| [08:31:24] | sebrock: | nope, boot hangs with mount.nfs: interal error, and syslog showing rpcbind timeout |
| [08:31:42] | superm1: | interesting. |
| [08:32:04] | sebrock: | also when I enter the desktop I can see a crossed out networking icon in the upper right for 1 second or so before it gets activated |
| [08:32:14] | superm1: | okay then try removing network-manager |
| [08:32:17] | sebrock: | so this has to do with networking not starting before NFS tries to mount |
| [08:32:26] | superm1: | it will then default to falling back to the old style network init scripts |
| [08:32:26] | sebrock: | bug? |
| [08:32:45] | superm1: | well network manager has it's own set of quirks that should be alleivated via the 0.7 version |
| [08:32:54] | superm1: | so nothing that will be resolvable properly right now |
| [08:33:07] | superm1: | but since you dont need network manager for it's roaming abilities and network switching abilities |
| [08:33:09] | superm1: | it's okay to take it out |
| [08:33:23] | superm1: | so when i say remove, i'm meaning using synaptic/apt to do it |
| [08:33:35] | sebrock: | hold on I'll check |
| [08:34:14] | sebrock: | Yeah I also notice on shutdown and in syslogs that it complains about wireless stuff, I dont have wireless in this frontend at all |
| [08:35:45] | superm1: | yeah taking network manager out of the mix should clean up a bunch of things |
| [08:36:11] | sebrock: | why is it included :) |
| [08:36:49] | sebrock: | now lets see, booting up... |
| [08:37:02] | superm1: | well need to try to cover as many cases as possible |
| [08:37:06] | superm1: | and not everyone runs into issues with it |
| [08:37:22] | superm1: | but the people that do can easily remove it if necessary :) |
| [08:37:30] | sebrock: | aw sh*t I have to start the NFS server :D |
| [08:37:47] | superm1: | is that all this was? |
| [08:37:51] | sebrock: | nono |
| [08:37:56] | sebrock: | Just this time |
| [08:37:59] | sebrock: | to early for me |
| [08:38:03] | superm1: | i was gonna say... |
| [08:38:11] | sebrock: | hehe :D |
| [08:39:57] | sebrock: | mmm my eth0 is gone now |
| [08:41:27] | superm1: | what's you /etc/network/interfaces look like? |
| [08:41:49] | sebrock: | auto lo |
| [08:41:53] | superm1: | ah |
| [08:41:54] | sebrock: | iface lo inet loopback |
| [08:41:55] | superm1: | add a line |
| [08:41:57] | superm1: | for auto eth0 |
| [08:42:03] | sebrock: | ok |
| [08:42:22] | superm1: | and |
| [08:42:24] | superm1: | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| [08:42:34] | superm1: | that should get your networking back |
| [08:42:42] | superm1: | forgot that n-m normally handles some of that for you |
| [08:42:43] | sebrock: | ok I'll report back |
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| [08:48:11] | sebrock: | seems to have worked |
| [08:48:13] | sebrock: | thanks |
| [08:48:54] | sebrock: | just why is network-manager doing then? |
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| [08:56:14] | sinthetek: | i would like a recommendation for a cheap card that has video out and works well with linux. any suggestions? |
| [08:57:15] | Ace2016: | so you mean a cheep graphics card? |
| [08:57:24] | Ace2016: | cheap*? |
| [08:57:49] | Ace2016: | yup cheep |
| [08:57:58] | sinthetek: | i suppose... something to hook it up to the tv |
| [08:57:58] | Ace2016: | i mean cheap! |
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| [08:58:00] | Ace2016: | argh |
| [08:58:35] | sinthetek: | actually it doesn't have to be a card either if there is like an external box i can easily use with usb or something... |
| [08:58:46] | sinthetek: | hah |
| [08:59:35] | sinthetek: | yeah, i'd prefer it to be kinda inexpensive... i have to get more ram for this system too and have a limited budget |
| [09:00:18] | sinthetek: | i already got a tuner card thinking the rca ports were video-out and they weren't :\ |
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| [09:01:05] | sinthetek: | anyway, internal or external... just something to put a picture on the tv |
| [09:01:20] | sinthetek: | and sound, duh :P |
| [09:01:39] | sinthetek: | well, sound card could do that huh? |
| [09:02:16] | sinthetek: | sorry, dunno a lot about multimedia side of technology... |
| [09:02:49] | Ace2016: | get a card with an svideo port |
| [09:03:21] | Ace2016: | hang on, i found a video |
| [09:03:22] | sinthetek: | we are poor so we're trying to save money by turning my sister's computer into a pvr and getting cable tv cut off |
| [09:03:23] | LabMonkey: | way off-topic but I'm hoping someone here has undertaken a similar project recently |
| [09:03:32] | Ace2016: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_oum5EPrVg&feature=related |
| [09:03:48] | LabMonkey: | I've got about 10 machines in one room in my house |
| [09:03:52] | sebrock: | are not all TVs these days equipped with VGA or DVI? |
| [09:04:09] | LabMonkey: | currently only 4–5 are running at any given moment |
| [09:04:11] | sebrock: | I dont understand why people continue using video-out |
| [09:04:15] | sinthetek: | and we're hoping we can keep it usable for her while we watch videos on the tv with it at the same time |
| [09:04:31] | Ace2016: | sebrock: not everyone has a new tv |
| [09:04:38] | LabMonkey: | but what I want to accomplish is a safe wiring setup to run at least 10 boxes 24/7 |
| [09:04:54] | sebrock: | doesnt even have to be that new to have that... at least VGA |
| [09:04:56] | LabMonkey: | so at this point I'm thinking two 30A circuits should do it |
| [09:05:07] | LabMonkey: | any electricians in the house? |
| [09:05:17] | sinthetek: | ours is fairly new, i believe it has dvi and svideo and hdmi (i think)... |
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| [09:05:44] | Ace2016: | if it has dvi then get a graphics card with a dvi port |
| [09:05:46] | sinthetek: | is vga the red-yellow-white cable? i thought that was rca... |
| [09:05:57] | sinthetek: | i have the manual over here, i'll check |
| [09:06:56] | Ace2016: | sinthetek: did you watch that video? |
| [09:06:56] | sebrock: | sinthetek, why use video out then? |
| [09:07:27] | sebrock: | get better picture with VGA/DVI anyway :) |
| [09:07:49] | Ace2016: | sinthetek: if your tv doesn't have an svideo card, then use an svideo to scart converter |
| [09:08:00] | Ace2016: | svideo port* |
| [09:09:18] | sebrock: | however S-video is a last resort in my opinion. If you have VGA or DVI (as you very well must have on a TV thats not older than 4–5 years) go with that |
| [09:09:19] | Ace2016: | headphone to rca cable + svideo cable and svideo to scart converter will do the job |
| [09:09:23] | sinthetek: | sebrock sorry if i do not know the terminology... i just meant something to output video to the tv |
| [09:09:56] | sebrock: | sinthetek, np. Check if you have VGA or DVI which is the standard output on graphics cards |
| [09:10:01] | sinthetek: | Ace2016: not yet, i'm about to after i check these ports i have available |
| [09:10:07] | sebrock: | and you dont have to buy anything extra |
| [09:10:23] | Ace2016: | sebrock: i think he wanted to buy a graphics card |
| [09:10:35] | sebrock: | oh he has none? |
| [09:10:50] | sebrock: | I thought he explicitly wanted a s-video card in some way |
| [09:10:59] | Ace2016: | i think he is converting an old computer to a media center to be used with the tv |
| [09:11:21] | sinthetek: | nope, that system just has integrated via videocard |
| [09:11:28] | sebrock: | that old computer doesnt have any graphics output? on-board? |
| [09:11:39] | sebrock: | well thats VGA for sure |
| [09:11:57] | Ace2016: | sinthetek: but what inputs does the tv have? |
| [09:13:39] | sinthetek: | here we go... |
| [09:14:42] | sinthetek: | 2 svideos, 2 y/pb/pr, hdmi |
| [09:14:58] | sinthetek: | i think that's it... |
| [09:15:32] | fryfrog: | anyone around who might be interested in swapping an ATSC/QAM pci card (air2pc) for a 939 X2 cpu? |
| [09:15:53] | sinthetek: | i thought there were more but apparently those are all for output |
| [09:16:37] | sinthetek: | dvi is mentioned in the glossary for some reason |
| [09:16:53] | sinthetek: | but i don't see it in the 'jacks and connectors' section of the specs |
| [09:17:37] | sinthetek: | hmmm...toc says 'connecting stb or dvd with dvi output to hdmi input with hdcp |
| [09:17:56] | sinthetek: | page 8 |
| [09:18:03] | Ace2016: | well the cheapest would be svideo and component audio, or a dmi to hdmi cable with a dmi graphics card |
| [09:18:52] | sinthetek: | do you know what hdcp is? |
| [09:18:53] | AndyCap: | dvi.. |
| [09:19:04] | sebrock: | I'm fairly sure you got DVI/HDMI of some sort |
| [09:19:07] | fryfrog: | not used much, now :p |
| [09:19:08] | sinthetek: | i will go with the dvi/hdmi option if i can since it's standard |
| [09:19:38] | sinthetek: | if dvi is standard on video cards... assuming the cable isn't too expensive... |
| [09:19:52] | sinthetek: | dvi-hdmi cable* |
| [09:20:07] | Ace2016: | and a dmi graphics card |
| [09:20:34] | sinthetek: | bah, stupid acronyms... |
| [09:20:35] | sebrock: | its not, by far best solution. Picture-wise aswell |
| [09:21:05] | Ace2016: | sebrock: what would you say was the best possible solution? |
| [09:21:23] | sebrock: | no offence, but I'm impressed you managed to join a IRC channel and doesnt know about DVI/HDMI/VGA :D |
| [09:21:28] | fryfrog: | a DVI -> HDMI cable is like $5 |
| [09:21:34] | fryfrog: | ahah |
| [09:21:44] | fryfrog: | what is that good cable site? monoprice.com i think? |
| [09:21:45] | sebrock: | using the standard output and skipping buying something extra |
| [09:23:08] | sinthetek: | my standard output is vga which will be used for something else |
| [09:23:58] | sinthetek: | btw, no offense but i'm surprised you know what those are when you do not know how to spell "offense" :P |
| [09:24:31] | sebrock: | Not everybody is from england/america. I'll bet you dont know how to spell that in swedish :P |
| [09:24:53] | sinthetek: | hardware and multimedia have never really been my forte.. i mostly deal with programming and administration |
| [09:24:59] | Ace2016: | some people have spell checking on their irc clients... |
| [09:25:23] | fryfrog: | spell checking on an IRC client! |
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| [09:25:26] | fryfrog: | that is *crazy* talk! |
| [09:25:28] | sebrock: | not me, one letter is seldom misunderstood right... |
| [09:25:30] | sebrock: | hahahha |
| [09:25:31] | sinthetek: | i've been on irc for like 10 years and vga seems to mean a couple of different things... i have a general understanding what dvi/hdmi/vga are but that's it |
| [09:25:56] | sebrock: | Again, I didnt mean to be rude on you... just surprises me |
| [09:26:39] | sinthetek: | it's ok, i'm not offended really, just don't want you to think i'm *completely* inept |
| [09:28:06] | sinthetek: | anyway... you say dvi is typical on modern video cards and dvi->hdmi cables are fairly inexpensive? |
| [09:28:31] | AndyCap: | DVI is common. cables aren't that expensive if you buy them at the right place |
| [09:28:51] | sebrock: | yes |
| [09:29:05] | sinthetek: | when i only have y/pr/pb, hdmi, coax, and svideo input for my tv, you think that is the best option? |
| [09:29:13] | AndyCap: | hdmi |
| [09:29:13] | justinh: | hdmi |
| [09:29:52] | sinthetek: | oki, dvi/hdmi it is then |
| [09:30:33] | sebrock: | :D |
| [09:30:53] | sinthetek: | so what card do you recommend? |
| [09:30:55] | sinthetek: | :P |
| [09:31:37] | sinthetek: | hmm... if the card has vga and dvi, can they both be used simultaneously and independent of each other? |
| [09:32:11] | sebrock: | not if its handled by the same gpu I think |
| [09:32:15] | AndyCap: | sinthetek: maybe, maybe not. depends on the card and driver, and how independent you want it |
| [09:32:19] | sebrock: | but I might be wrong |
| [09:32:27] | sinthetek: | ahh, ok |
| [09:33:03] | sinthetek: | i was considering maybe getting a chance to play with compiz on that system |
| [09:33:34] | sinthetek: | wait, compiz would be even cooler on the tv screen actually.. |
| [09:33:39] | justinh: | compiz simply isn't needed on a myth frontend |
| [09:34:18] | sinthetek: | i'm not going to be using mythtv on it i don't think... |
| [09:34:52] | justinh: | it's the only linux media centre app which really works at the moment |
| [09:36:20] | sinthetek: | we're trying to save money by getting the cable tv cut off. from now on we'll just be downloading shows and streaming them via nfs share |
| [09:37:08] | justinh: | so what interface will you be using to access all your ill-gotten gains? |
| [09:37:10] | sebrock: | nice one :) |
| [09:37:11] | sinthetek: | compiz still isn't needed for that either though |
| [09:37:26] | justinh: | a file browser? lol |
| [09:37:29] | sinthetek: | konqueror |
| [09:37:38] | sinthetek: | why is that funny? |
| [09:37:43] | justinh: | talk about wife friendly :P |
| [09:38:18] | AndyCap: | justinh: sounds like WAF isn't a priority |
| [09:38:31] | justinh: | sounds like legality isn't a priority either but hey ho |
| [09:38:48] | sinthetek: | bah :P |
| [09:39:09] | justinh: | so you come in here asking for help & you're not even gonna use mythtv? pfft |
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| [09:39:33] | sinthetek: | i'm currently already using mythtv on my gentoo box (until they cut the cable off anyway) |
| [09:39:51] | fryfrog: | you can always go OTA |
| [09:40:02] | sinthetek: | that's how i knew this would be a good place to ask about hardware :P |
| [09:40:16] | fryfrog: | sinthetek: and any video card made in the past 3 years or so is virtually garenteed to have dvi output |
| [09:40:20] | fryfrog: | just make sure |
| [09:40:27] | sinthetek: | fryfrog: we may do that before too long but not right now... |
| [09:40:30] | fryfrog: | i use an nvidia 6100, pci-e |
| [09:41:05] | justinh: | ati are starting to pull their socks up with their linux drivers (on SOME of their products), so don't rule them out completely. good luck finding out what really works though |
| [09:41:11] | sebrock: | yeah, go for a used card on ebay, will basically be free |
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| [09:42:39] | justinh: | I've bought 'free' cards on ebay before. they cost pennies but weren't worth the hassle of finding out they were screwed |
| [09:43:15] | fryfrog: | sinthetek: not sure if you know or not, but "DVI" is that white fairly rectangular connector that is used mostly by LCD monitors |
| [09:43:27] | fryfrog: | (not that an LCD monitor can't have an old school VGA connector) |
| [09:44:10] | justinh: | fryfrog: try finding an LCD monitor with DVI in europe. the majority are still VGA |
| [09:44:18] | fryfrog: | wow, really? |
| [09:44:28] | sebrock: | lol where are you from justinh ? |
| [09:44:31] | fryfrog: | UK |
| [09:44:35] | justinh: | all the cheaper ones are VGA still |
| [09:44:46] | justinh: | EU import duty on things with digital inputs :( |
| [09:44:49] | sebrock: | Not in sweden anyway.... |
| [09:44:51] | fryfrog: | yeah, i think many of the cheap ones here are VGA |
| [09:44:55] | fryfrog: | oh, really? |
| [09:44:55] | sebrock: | its all DVI or HDMI here |
| [09:44:58] | fryfrog: | thats... why? |
| [09:45:08] | sebrock: | sorry but thats BS |
| [09:45:10] | justinh: | the irony is, it's cheaper to put a DVI input on them |
| [09:45:11] | EvilGuru: | I've had no trouble getting monitors with DVI over here (UK, so eurotrash also) |
| [09:45:15] | justinh: | sebrock: seriously |
| [09:45:24] | sebrock: | yes very much |
| [09:45:42] | EvilGuru: | Although they were/are 20"+ |
| [09:45:44] | sebrock: | Its hard to find LCD/TFT with VGA here |
| [09:45:49] | justinh: | maybe it's about half & half here |
| [09:45:52] | sebrock: | if its even possible |
| [09:46:00] | justinh: | but a surprisingly high number don't have DVI |
| [09:46:09] | sebrock: | thats strange |
| [09:46:09] | justinh: | especially on bigger displays too |
| [09:46:31] | justinh: | I had to pay £50 more to get a monitor with DVI |
| [09:46:46] | justinh: | same spec screen without DVI was £50 cheaper |
| [09:46:58] | justinh: | stupid EU taxes |
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| [09:47:32] | justinh: | and a lot of local outlets in my area don't have many monitors with DVI at all |
| [09:47:33] | EvilGuru: | I wonder how many with DVI couldn't accept a digital signal to save their lives |
| [09:48:25] | justinh: | I've peeked into the casings on a few monitors with only VGA & they all had somewhere to put a DVI socket on the pcb |
| [09:49:21] | kavorka^: | any aussies here using the shepherd tv guide script? |
| [09:49:49] | fryfrog: | in ./configure, why would "CMOV is fast" be no on a modern system? |
| [09:50:27] | EvilGuru: | fryfrog: CPU? |
| [09:50:52] | justinh: | good to see than so many TVs have more than one HDMI input these days though. 3 is becoming the norm now :) |
| [09:52:08] | justinh: | /s/than/that |
| [09:52:09] | fryfrog: | EvilGuru: one is a 4200+ X2 939 |
| [09:52:16] | fryfrog: | the other is a xeon 2.4ghz |
| [09:52:48] | fryfrog: | lemme check /proc/cpuinfo if you want exact model on any? |
| [09:54:15] | sinthetek: | EVGA nVidia GeForce FX 5200 128MB DVI/TV-out PCI Video Card |
| [09:54:21] | sinthetek: | that should be ok yeah? |
| [09:54:39] | fryfrog: | and... did a --runtime-prefix option recently get added to configure? |
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| [09:56:25] | sebrock: | btw anyone using imon LCD? |
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| [10:00:31] | fryfrog: | looking at configure script, i don't really see why the X2 is a "slow cmov" but, maybe i'm not looking at the right arch |
| [10:01:04] | fryfrog: | x86_slow_cmov_cpus="pentium4,pentium4m,prescott,nocona" <-- what does amd64 count as? |
| [10:01:46] | fryfrog: | oh, humm --march says "pentium4" so no wonder |
| [10:02:02] | fryfrog: | is that what an amd64 is considered when used in 32bit? |
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| [10:09:18] | justinh: | I wish even some of that arch crap was comprehensible |
| [10:09:28] | fryfrog: | you mean in configure? |
| [10:09:39] | fryfrog: | i was just searching through it and noticing how... spagetti it is :/ |
| [10:09:42] | justinh: | I mean anywhere |
| [10:09:47] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [10:09:56] | fryfrog: | but i did just submitt two tiny diffs :) |
| [10:10:20] | justinh: | why they couldn't just have gone for aliases or something I don't know. make life simpler for mere mortals |
| [10:10:30] | fryfrog: | i wish i could find someone with a 939 X2 cpu, ebay wants retarded money for them! |
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| [10:10:54] | fryfrog: | should have bought 2 when i got my 4200+ X2 from newegg :( |
| [10:10:54] | justinh: | so the mere mortal selects the kind of cpu they have rather than some obtuse string |
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| [10:11:56] | justinh: | there's probably a table you can look that stuff up on, somewhere though |
| [10:12:33] | justinh: | but then I guess there's the quagmire of all the different core variants – no good knowing what 'name' CPU you have |
| [10:13:20] | justinh: | maybe instructions don't vary between core variants.. really showing my lack of knowhow in that area lol |
| [10:13:37] | fryfrog: | humm, tigerdirect maybe has 939 cpus for reasonable amounts! |
| [10:13:56] | justinh: | fryfrog: ebayers are sometimes devoid of any kind of clue |
| [10:14:02] | fryfrog: | do i spurge +$5 for an extra "200+" (100mhz) |
| [10:14:09] | fryfrog: | seriously, i fucking hate ebay |
| [10:14:11] | fryfrog: | and paypal |
| [10:14:26] | fryfrog: | put the two together and you have... i dunno even a word for them paired like that :p |
| [10:14:38] | justinh: | since they changed the rules for feedback I'm reluctant to sell anything on there now |
| [10:15:41] | fryfrog: | yeah, seriously that was fucked up |
| [10:15:50] | EvilGuru: | justinh: How did they change it? |
| [10:15:51] | fryfrog: | why even bother having feedback at all? |
| [10:16:03] | fryfrog: | didn't they make it so a *seller* couldn't leave negative feedback on a buyer? |
| [10:16:08] | fryfrog: | only neutral or positive? |
| [10:16:15] | justinh: | yup |
| [10:16:37] | justinh: | which is arse, cos there are so many clueless people out there |
| [10:16:48] | justinh: | I sold a CPU on there a while back. never again |
| [10:17:15] | justinh: | put all the info on the page, still got questions asking the very same info that was on the page |
| [10:17:43] | justinh: | and "will this chip work with <insert long URL here> this motherboard?" |
| [10:19:14] | justinh: | if you must sell stuff, sell simple things nobody will have trouble understanding |
| [10:19:18] | fryfrog: | 4400+ X2 ordered, $65 |
| [10:19:29] | fryfrog: | that shit is being *bid* on for $100+ on ebay |
| [10:19:39] | justinh: | money maker! |
| [10:19:47] | fryfrog: | justinh: i am pretty sure i'll be using CL to sell stuff :/ |
| [10:19:59] | justinh: | then again I wouldn't want to be the seller who sold a chip to some clueless fuck |
| [10:19:59] | fryfrog: | though I did auction a big array once, i was surprised i didn't get scammed |
| [10:22:19] | justinh: | heh |
| [10:26:53] | fryfrog: | I tell ya, my 4200+ X2 is *way* faster than my dual xeon 2.4 |
| [10:27:55] | sebrock: | damn, my LCD shows nothing... but it connects and everything |
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| [10:31:16] | fryfrog: | the goggles, they do nothing! |
| [10:34:38] | gbee: | misquote ;) |
| [10:35:26] | justinh: | the google.com – it do nothing! |
| [10:43:09] | justinh: | yay yet another day sat in front of an audio editor |
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| [10:45:04] | gbee: | would someone using mythweather with 0.21-fixes please test this theme patch? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5372 |
| [10:48:17] | sinthetek: | is there any real difference between cables designated for 'in-wall installation' and the others? |
| [10:48:54] | |gunni|: | Might be. Depends on Cable and on rules in the country your living |
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| [10:53:08] | Ace2016: | sinthetek: you might want to get a dvb-s card |
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| [10:53:43] | t0mas: | hi |
| [10:54:30] | t0mas: | I have a very weird problem (most probably caused by something I didn't setup correctly), but all my video is displayed in the wrong colors |
| [10:54:45] | t0mas: | LiveTV as well as DivX videos from the media library |
| [10:54:50] | t0mas: | but the menus show correctly |
| [10:55:01] | gbee: | did you enable disco mode by accident? |
| [10:55:12] | t0mas: | all people have green/blue-ish color :) |
| [10:55:23] | t0mas: | well.. it's more like the sci-fi channel but then with CNN reporters ;) |
| [10:55:33] | gbee: | t0mas: it's a video driver issue |
| [10:55:35] | Ace2016: | sinthetek: a cable is a cable, is a digital signal |
| [10:55:50] | t0mas: | gbee: I guessed YUV colors instead of RGB or something |
| [10:56:09] | t0mas: | am I correct to assume it's an XVideo problem? |
| [10:56:20] | t0mas: | which makes the menus look correct.. but all video wrong? |
| [10:56:40] | t0mas: | I have a simple Radeon 9200 adapter.. using the opensource drivers.. |
| [10:56:47] | sinthetek: | Ace2016 why dvb-s? |
| [10:56:50] | t0mas: | any idea how to correct the colors? :) |
| [10:57:08] | Ace2016: | digital satelite has lots of channels and its free |
| [10:57:35] | gbee: | sinthetek: what sort of cable are you talking about? With network cabling in-wall tends to imply solid core instead of stranded – that just means the wire is less flexible and doesn't do 90 degree bends very well, it's not suited to use as a general patch cable because movement may eventually cause it to break |
| [10:58:35] | gbee: | on the other hand, solid core is easier to install in cavities and I think you can install it in longer lengths than stranded |
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| [11:02:52] | sinthetek: | Ace2016: for serious? wtf have i never heard of anyone using it before?! i thought you had to pay for any satellite tv and last time we tried using an antenna in the area we only got like 4 channels with it... |
| [11:03:51] | sinthetek: | gbee: i am looking at dvi-hdmi cables and they seemed to cost substantially more when they said 'for in-wall installation' so i was wondering if they were shielded from interference better or what |
| [11:03:55] | Ace2016: | there are free channels on free to air satelite tv, where are you? |
| [11:04:00] | Ace2016: | i mean which country? |
| [11:04:06] | sinthetek: | .us |
| [11:04:07] | gbee: | Ace2016: he's in the US |
| [11:04:15] | rooaus: | sinthetek: The in wall use may also relate to its fire resistance and products of combustion. |
| [11:05:06] | gbee: | sinthetek: a HDMI cable is an HDMI cable, there is no real difference between the one costing $10 and the one costing $200, in fact those more expensive ones are just a con |
| [11:05:58] | gbee: | well as rooaus states, some countries require cables meet certain fire safety standards if they are installed in-wall, but a HDMI cable doesn't carry enough current to start a fire |
| [11:06:44] | gbee: | all the same, if you want to avoid a fine then it may be worth finding out what they mean exactly by "for in-wall installation" |
| [11:06:47] | AndyCap: | it'll still burn if something else though |
| [11:07:00] | Ace2016: | the us has unencrypted free satelite channels right? |
| [11:07:01] | gbee: | assuming you want to install it in-wall ;) |
| [11:07:15] | gbee: | Ace2016: not many from what I've heard |
| [11:07:18] | AndyCap: | Ace2016: not that many from what I gather |
| [11:07:32] | gbee: | spooky |
| [11:07:43] | AndyCap: | Ace2016: there are a few on lyngsat.com but not anything like europe |
| [11:08:06] | sinthetek: | ok, i thought perhaps they were more shielded from interference from electrical wiring, in which case they might be preferable if i am running it externally past a powerstrip or something |
| [11:08:34] | gbee: | AndyCap: fire regs might state what plastics can be used in-wall, though it's pretty silly – since the same cable will burn whether it's in or out of the wall :) |
| [11:08:35] | Ace2016: | digital signal |
| [11:08:53] | AndyCap: | sinthetek: more important the they emit of poisonous gases when they burn |
| [11:09:52] | gbee: | they are unlikely to have more shielding, consider where HDMI cables get used anyway – they come out the back of TVs, computers in close proximity to a dozen other cables |
| [11:11:05] | gbee: | if your setup is anything like the average, then once out the back those cables sit in a tangled heap next to power bars hidden behind the TV/Computer ;) |
| [11:12:12] | gbee: | I've yet to hear anyone complain that an HDMI standard (with HDMI logo) cable has issues with interference, no matter how cheap it was |
| [11:12:55] | AndyCap: | and if you do have problems perhaps you should fix whatever broken thing that puts out the interference |
| [11:13:39] | dustybin: | these boxes have intel 950 video and can support core2duo CPUs, would these make nice little frontends? |
| [11:13:43] | dustybin: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856110065 |
| [11:14:38] | gbee: | SD? probably, but I've no experience with intel video, at least not for mythtv and tv-out |
| [11:14:49] | gbee: | ask justinh |
| [11:15:02] | dustybin: | forget SD, im going to buy a HDTV |
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| [11:15:11] | Ace2016: | its a barebones |
| [11:15:12] | the-FoX: | hi |
| [11:15:27] | dustybin: | Ace2016: it is barebones, but that means you can stick a powerful c2d inside it |
| [11:15:32] | the-FoX: | is there a solution for watching tv-streams or radio-streams directly from the mythtvfrontend? |
| [11:15:48] | gbee: | heh, a Pundit – for the longest time I wanted a pundit based fe/be but I could never find anywhere selling the model I wanted, plus compared to the system I ended up buying they are more expensive |
| [11:15:50] | Ace2016: | no you can't look at the fsb |
| [11:15:55] | AndyCap: | dustybin: some of the pundits are noisy buggers. |
| [11:15:59] | dustybin: | the mac minis 2.0ghz c2d isnt powerful enough |
| [11:16:02] | AndyCap: | gbee: which model? |
| [11:16:20] | AndyCap: | not to mention some of them have severly stupid designdecisions |
| [11:16:21] | dustybin: | AndyCap: so noise is 1 downside? |
| [11:16:25] | Ace2016: | and max 2GB of ram? |
| [11:16:38] | dustybin: | 1. noise 2. stupid design |
| [11:16:42] | AndyCap: | dustybin: that's a pretty major one for a frontend if you ask me. :P |
| [11:16:42] | Ace2016: | forget it, get a case and motherboard off ebay, much better choice |
| [11:16:57] | AndyCap: | dustybin: most of them have the digital output in front forinstance. |
| [11:17:05] | dustybin: | i see |
| [11:17:11] | AndyCap: | forcing you to leave the frontdoor down |
| [11:17:21] | dustybin: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx? . . . 75)+Barebone |
| [11:17:27] | dustybin: | jesus |
| [11:17:30] | gbee: | AndyCap: can't remember the model name, but it was one with nvidia graphics, silver case and some other requirement that I can't remember now |
| [11:18:30] | gbee: | they were hard to find in the UK and whenever they became available I'd already spent the cash on some other necessary item for that month ;) |
| [11:18:41] | AndyCap: | dustybin: good, they moved it |
| [11:18:50] | AndyCap: | but lost the coax it seems |
| [11:19:00] | AndyCap: | hmm, maybe they never had coax |
| [11:20:39] | dustybin: | AndyCap: Pros: Nice, small form factor. Very good cpu cooler/fan. Runs cool and quiet. |
| [11:20:52] | dustybin: | no mention of noise? |
| [11:20:58] | AndyCap: | dustybin: and reasonably priced. :) |
| [11:21:14] | dustybin: | AndyCap: all the audio connections are at the rear? |
| [11:21:33] | AndyCap: | dustybin: well, the important ones |
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| [11:22:02] | gbee: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx? . . . 75)+Barebone |
| [11:22:56] | dustybin: | AndyCap: optical S/PDIF out is at the rear :) |
| [11:23:18] | AndyCap: | dustybin: yes, I saw that. |
| [11:23:31] | dustybin: | the advantage this has over that mac mini, it can take a more powerful c2d CPU |
| [11:23:39] | dustybin: | + it has 2 expansion ports |
| [11:23:47] | AndyCap: | dustybin: that leaves the room in the expansion slots. |
| [11:24:14] | AndyCap: | dustybin: unless they have made the pundit cases a little wider/taller you cant fit a full height pci card in it |
| [11:24:34] | AndyCap: | well, you can fit one in the upper slot with brute force and bending the case, but that's not so hot |
| [11:26:16] | dustybin: | AndyCap: maybe this is a different case to the one you looked at before |
| [11:26:44] | dustybin: | AndyCap: there are still lots of options of half height PCI cards |
| [11:26:48] | dustybin: | for |
| [11:27:07] | dustybin: | if its used only for a frontend, there wouldnt be much use for those slots anyway |
| [11:28:39] | dustybin: | if you bought that box, all you would need is a CPU and memory |
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| [11:30:20] | dustybin: | if you can stick a c2d 2.5 ghz inside it, i think one would be pretty HD safe :) making that a better frontend than the mac mini |
| [11:31:09] | dustybin: | ..maybe if you give it time, apple will release a new batch of mac minis with more powerful CPUs... |
| [11:33:00] | sebrock: | suckage, I have to install windows in order to kick the LCD alive... how is this best made when I already have an linux installation active? |
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| [11:38:46] | sebrock: | getting sick of this LCD now |
| [11:38:57] | AndyCap: | umm, why do you need windows? |
| [11:39:18] | sebrock: | LCD will not start |
| [11:39:26] | sebrock: | I need to kick it alive somehow |
| [11:39:58] | sebrock: | Although I know it has worked under Linux |
| [11:40:38] | sebrock: | crap soundgraph/imon... Will never again buy anything of them guys |
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| [12:02:49] | luke512: | hello |
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| [12:04:12] | luke512: | is there anybody can help with problems with tv-out on pvr 350? |
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| [12:13:06] | justinh: | nothing a nvidia card won't solve |
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| [12:23:22] | EvilGuru: | Did anyone else see the $499 ethernet cable on slashdot today? |
| [12:24:16] | EvilGuru: | I bet it would add so much warmth to my mythtv recordings |
| [12:26:59] | fryfrog: | i bet it would make my mp3s so much nicer sounding! |
| [12:27:33] | Ace2016: | EvilGuru: lol |
| [12:28:27] | EvilGuru: | Notice also how the arrows on each end of the cable help to prevent the electrons from getting lost |
| [12:28:28] | fryfrog: | still, i think those $1000 power cables might be better for you |
| [12:28:35] | fryfrog: | think of how much cleaner your power could be! |
| [12:28:53] | fryfrog: | yes, those electrons tend to just go everywhere w/o some sort of direction! |
| [12:29:13] | Ace2016: | i could understand if it was an active device that did something but its a cable, and it doesn't seem like anything special to cost that much |
| [12:29:40] | EvilGuru: | Ace2016: shushh, you're offending the electrons |
| [12:30:06] | Ace2016: | better not to cause a net split |
| [12:31:13] | EvilGuru: | I doubt there is any difference between it and the ~90m cable I use to link my myth box up (which a mouse has taken part of the out sleeve of) |
| [12:32:14] | Ace2016: | 90m? why so long? |
| [12:33:40] | EvilGuru: | Ace2016: It is downstairs, my hub is upstairs |
| [12:34:08] | Ace2016: | how do you control it? do you use a remote? |
| [12:34:09] | EvilGuru: | And it is routed rather complexly (so it is out of the way) |
| [12:34:23] | Ace2016: | oh its a network cable |
| [12:34:46] | EvilGuru: | I think ~100m is the max, but its give me no trouble |
| [12:34:47] | Ace2016: | i thought we were taking about hdmi cables now |
| [12:36:11] | EvilGuru: | Oh, no. That would be suicide. But you can blow $800 on one! |
| [12:36:40] | Ace2016: | cat /dev/urandom > EvilGuru |
| [12:37:02] | EvilGuru: | I really do prefer /dev/random, much more.. random |
| [12:37:44] | Ace2016: | urandom is faster |
| [12:38:47] | EvilGuru: | Quality, not quantity |
| [12:38:49] | gbee: | EvilGuru: you live in a high-rise? |
| [12:39:29] | EvilGuru: | Single story, but the cable doesn't take a direct route |
| [12:43:36] | gbee: | heh, no kidding :) |
| [12:44:15] | luke512: | nobody there to help with my problem |
| [12:44:50] | EvilGuru: | Originally when I did, it went as a person would go if they were going upstairs to downstairs, but it was something of a safety hazard |
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| [12:45:45] | EvilGuru: | So it goes up from the hub into the loft, along until it meets the aerial cable then follows it down to the living room |
| [12:47:29] | justinh: | I found myself in a cabling conundrum at home until I realised I could drill a 2 inch hole in the stairwell to get a nice loom upstairs |
| [12:47:57] | justinh: | of course I didn't plan far enough ahead & instead of 8 cat6 cables only put 2 in |
| [12:48:29] | ** EvilGuru is still 100mbit ** | |
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| [12:49:42] | luke512: | invisible? |
| [12:50:39] | ** luke512 is away: Trying to sort my mind...maybe back later..long live the penguin ** | |
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| [12:56:14] | justinh: | that damn penguin. of all the totally lame mascots they could've picked... |
| [12:57:20] | Ace2016: | penguin is great |
| [12:57:30] | Ace2016: | it seems friendly |
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| [12:58:29] | EvilGuru: | Didn't the story go that a penguin bit Torvalds? |
| [12:58:46] | Ace2016: | i thought that was a myth |
| [13:00:09] | EvilGuru: | Quite possibly |
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| [13:11:08] | justinh: | small, can't fly, stinks of fish. great idea for a mascot :P |
| [13:13:05] | dustybin: | justinh: ive found a box what is more capable than the mac mini, its not quite as cute and sexy but it has more advantages |
| [13:13:08] | dustybin: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856110065 |
| [13:13:20] | ** dustybin awaits for justinh to spot something what isnt good about it ** | |
| [13:14:09] | dustybin: | justinh: a 2.0 ghz c2d isnt quite powerful enough to cover all the different variations of HD, and that is the maximum for a mac mini at the moment |
| [13:14:50] | EvilGuru: | dustybin: I would've thought it would be able to |
| [13:15:23] | gbee: | thought the penguin was chosen as the result of a competition |
| [13:16:28] | EvilGuru: | better than a puffer bish |
| [13:17:15] | dustybin: | EvilGuru: to be in safe grounds, after some research, i think a C2D 2.5+ onwards is recommended |
| [13:17:30] | justinh: | EvilGuru: probably better than an Ibex too ;) |
| [13:17:50] | justinh: | dustybin: depends if you want to play HD disc formats & dodgy downloads or not |
| [13:18:06] | dustybin: | justinh: id like my frontend to cover just about everything |
| [13:18:11] | dustybin: | it makes it more future proof |
| [13:18:50] | justinh: | by the time I splurge on a HDTV set chances are accelerated video will be worthwhile in linux... you know, when the sky is full of flying pigs |
| [13:19:05] | dustybin: | yes true |
| [13:19:16] | dustybin: | its really too early days |
| [13:19:45] | dustybin: | if h.264 GPU decoding comes available in linux then one can look at lower spec CPUs for the frontend |
| [13:19:53] | gbee: | of course we'll have ultra-HD starting to appear ;) |
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| [13:21:14] | dustybin: | do windows users have the luxury of h.264 decoding on intel chips? or is it just a nvidia thing for them 'pure video' |
| [13:22:10] | EvilGuru: | dustybin: ATI too |
| [13:22:57] | EvilGuru: | Intel chips, are, even in their latest incarnation, rubbish. I am a developer for Warzone 2100 and 9/10 if someone has a problem it is because of an Intel chip |
| [13:23:04] | dustybin: | EvilGuru: windows users have hardware accelerated video with ATI, Intel and nvidia ? |
| [13:23:17] | EvilGuru: | dustybin: I know they do for ATI and nvidia, I am unsure about intel |
| [13:23:37] | dustybin: | dam i thought intel chips would be of high quality |
| [13:23:58] | justinh: | somebody put up a bounty to help incentivise video acceleration. I'll put a week's wages in |
| [13:24:08] | dustybin: | hehehe |
| [13:24:25] | dustybin: | i havent heard the word bounty since i was exploring pfsense |
| [13:24:55] | EvilGuru: | dustybin: OpenGL performance wise, they are often blown away by GeForce 4's |
| [13:25:00] | justinh: | it's too big a job for part-timers. get some real welly behind it |
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| [13:25:40] | dustybin: | justinh: ill ring alan sugar and ask him to invest some of his capital into it |
| [13:25:48] | justinh: | and maybe, just maybe if it gets legs, the video card manufacturers will wake up |
| [13:26:19] | dustybin: | how about running the frontend in windows?.. |
| [13:26:23] | ** dustybin shudders ** | |
| [13:27:12] | EvilGuru: | With the money you spent on a Windows license you could've bought a better CPU |
| [13:27:25] | justinh: | funny enough but windows users have the same kind of issues – as far as I know, people with hardware which 'should' support hw decoding, doesn't |
| [13:27:43] | justinh: | so it's not all rosy on that side of the fence either |
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| [13:29:22] | propagandhi: | i have a problem where i cannot adjust volume when watching live tv but elsewhere it is fine |
| [13:29:30] | propagandhi: | anybody have any ideas? |
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| [13:31:13] | dustybin: | things to wait for: UK HD to kick in properly, Linux h.264 GPU Decoding, HDTV with a nice picture |
| [13:31:30] | dustybin: | everyone time i research HD i put myself on hold |
| [13:31:34] | dustybin: | everytime |
| [13:32:16] | justinh: | my parents' new TV isn't as bad as I thought it would be for £350 |
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| [13:32:17] | dustybin: | justinh: how long would we say we got left of SDTV in the UK? i might just build a really really cheap SD quality frontend if its worth it |
| [13:32:26] | justinh: | we've got bloody ages yet |
| [13:32:48] | justinh: | think about the amount of repeats they show, too |
| [13:32:48] | dustybin: | ok sod it |
| [13:33:11] | justinh: | I'm only ready for broadcast HD, not dodgy warezy mkv shite |
| [13:33:33] | dustybin: | ill use my sisters 4:3 whats downstairs and build a cheap little sd frontend |
| [13:33:51] | dustybin: | that will do for now, ill research HD again in another year |
| [13:34:32] | justinh: | bbc hd isn't showing all that much yet anyway when you think about it |
| [13:34:39] | justinh: | it'll improve though |
| [13:34:50] | dustybin: | justinh: another thing to consider when we do go HD, i will have to build a SAN box with about 2–4 terrabytes worth of space |
| [13:34:54] | EvilGuru: | justinh: What is the difference between broadcast and dodgy |
| [13:34:59] | Ace2016: | justinh: do you use dvb-s in the uk? |
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| [13:35:17] | justinh: | EvilGuru: dodgy == downloaded warezy TV |
| [13:35:26] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Decoding wise |
| [13:35:32] | GreyFoxx: | a lot |
| [13:35:37] | dustybin: | justinh: i thought the broadcast would be more CPU intensive? |
| [13:35:38] | justinh: | encoding in slices, for one |
| [13:35:41] | dustybin: | its more compressed? |
| [13:35:42] | GreyFoxx: | major bitrate differences,and encoding options |
| [13:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | the stuff you see up for download arejust samples of the broadcast stuff |
| [13:36:31] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: broadcast is more CPU intensive than other forms of HD because its more compressed? |
| [13:36:33] | EvilGuru: | Why is it re-encoded? As surely broadcast h.264 is as good as you're going to get without loosing quality |
| [13:36:47] | GreyFoxx: | dust: dont think ofitascompression |
| [13:36:51] | justinh: | godknows why the lamers re-encode it |
| [13:36:53] | EvilGuru: | Not like MPEG2 where you can compress it to MPEG4 to save space |
| [13:36:55] | dustybin: | ok |
| [13:36:57] | GreyFoxx: | Just more complex encoding options, and higher bitrate |
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| [13:37:02] | dustybin: | ok |
| [13:37:06] | GreyFoxx: | both of which need more CPU |
| [13:37:10] | Ace2016: | ok back |
| [13:37:14] | Ace2016: | whole thing crashed |
| [13:37:15] | XLV: | btw core 2 duo mb with 6 pci slots http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2 . . . ;modelmenu=2 |
| [13:37:18] | justinh: | put it this way, if it has 'rip' in the filename it's unlikely to have avoided being messed with |
| [13:37:21] | propagandhi: | anyone at all have an idea why the volume controls dont work when watching live tv? |
| [13:37:26] | XLV: | for those with lots of pci tuners |
| [13:37:59] | justinh: | XLV: great! now I just need to know if anybody in the UK stocks it :P |
| [13:38:02] | Ace2016: | ffs why couldn't i find that card when i needed it |
| [13:38:06] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: one wont have to worry about the CPU if GPU decoding in linux happens! |
| [13:38:35] | XLV: | justinh, 45 Euro here |
| [13:38:37] | GreyFoxx: | *shrug* Imnot worried about it now, my stuff plays everything I've thrown at it so far |
| [13:38:48] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: what CPU? |
| [13:38:50] | GreyFoxx: | but yeah, gpu acceleration will help many users |
| [13:38:58] | GreyFoxx: | dust: x2 5200 |
| [13:39:15] | dustybin: | thats a AMD? |
| [13:39:18] | Ace2016: | ok i think the laptop is overheating |
| [13:39:19] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [13:39:20] | justinh: | the way I see the whole video acceleration argument is this: so many people are sitting on their arses waiting for it when we could be putting up a *major* incentive :) |
| [13:39:22] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [13:39:37] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: did stuff only work with the loopfilter disabled? |
| [13:39:52] | GreyFoxx: | I've never touched that |
| [13:39:58] | dustybin: | aye interesting |
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| [13:40:18] | justinh: | yeah but GreyFoxx has a box with 150 kiloquads :P |
| [13:40:26] | justinh: | MOAR! |
| [13:41:08] | dustybin: | lets all craft individual emails to the major gfx chip people and spam them all |
| [13:41:17] | justinh: | fwiw I kinda think the tiny cute silent box capable of playing anything you could conceivably throw at it is a mere pipedream |
| [13:41:19] | dustybin: | (apart from VIA :p) |
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| [13:42:23] | justinh: | via won't be getting any more of my money, you can be sure of that |
| [13:42:56] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: heres your CPU, good price |
| [13:42:58] | dustybin: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103210 |
| [13:43:44] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [13:43:55] | GreyFoxx: | Its in a box that runs 2 seperate mythfrontends |
| [13:44:05] | fryfrog: | 2 FEs? |
| [13:44:10] | GreyFoxx: | 1 for the projector and1 for the flatscreen |
| [13:44:11] | dustybin: | :-0 |
| [13:44:14] | fryfrog: | on one box! thats crazy talk! |
| [13:44:24] | GreyFoxx: | yeah seperate videocards / X sessions |
| [13:44:30] | GreyFoxx: | seperate users and setups |
| [13:44:34] | fryfrog: | are they physically seperated enough to not... interfer audio-torily? |
| [13:44:35] | justinh: | oh yay. Aria sell that motherboard! |
| [13:45:01] | GreyFoxx: | fry: They are never both running at once, but seperating the audio would be simple |
| [13:45:07] | fryfrog: | i guess if you strategically located it all, they could be in two different rooms |
| [13:45:17] | justinh: | bah. the model they stock only has 3 slots |
| [13:45:19] | GreyFoxx: | fry: I use to do that |
| [13:45:32] | GreyFoxx: | had 1 FE feeding a TV downstairs and another feeding a TV upstairs |
| [13:45:37] | fryfrog: | ah, only 1 at a time |
| [13:45:47] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: are there any reasons why you chose AMD instead of INTEL |
| [13:45:49] | fryfrog: | why not just use a display... switcher thing? |
| [13:45:55] | GreyFoxx: | A friend of mine feeds 3 in his house |
| [13:46:05] | fryfrog: | dustybin: price would be my guess, or already having the MB? |
| [13:46:16] | GreyFoxx: | dust: PRice more than anything |
| [13:46:20] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [13:46:35] | fryfrog: | c2d is fine and all, but it isn't *that* hard to play back HD |
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| [13:46:45] | dustybin: | ok |
| [13:46:48] | fryfrog: | i seem to do okay with a 4200+ X2 |
| [13:47:02] | fryfrog: | though i am not sure if i have tried a 1080i or 1080p video |
| [13:47:04] | justinh: | fryfrog: that bbc hd stuff is nails man |
| [13:47:11] | fryfrog: | (just a 720p display all i have) |
| [13:47:16] | GreyFoxx: | My Sempron 2800 could blay almost anything I threw at it |
| [13:47:24] | justinh: | ooo about 40 quid at morecomputers.com :) |
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| [13:47:44] | fryfrog: | my 3200+ played everything i threw at it until i started using the internal myth player back when it sucked at .mkv :) |
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| [13:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboa . . . oductID=2539 |
| [13:48:05] | GreyFoxx: | That's the board I'm using |
| [13:48:09] | GreyFoxx: | quite happy with it |
| [13:48:12] | fryfrog: | i thought the cpu was choking, got a new cpu and then found out it was the internal player :) |
| [13:48:25] | fryfrog: | you said 2 video cards, are they both pci-e or something? |
| [13:48:28] | GreyFoxx: | well 99% of those problems have been taken care of |
| [13:48:31] | GreyFoxx: | fry: yup |
| [13:48:37] | GreyFoxx: | 8400gs and 8500gt |
| [13:48:51] | GreyFoxx: | the board has two pcie slots so it worked out well |
| [13:48:53] | fryfrog: | ah, sli board i see |
| [13:49:04] | fryfrog: | GreyFoxx: yeah, i can play .mkv no problem now |
| [13:49:13] | fryfrog: | i'm tempted to try my old 3200+ cpu just to see what it does |
| [13:49:23] | fryfrog: | er, maybe it was 3000+ (not that 200 makes a diff) |
| [13:49:33] | GreyFoxx: | I've gotsome mkv's I made with handbrakethat I can't seek through. Eventually I'll look at that too |
| [13:49:41] | GreyFoxx: | but I wanna wait forthe next ffmpeg sync first |
| [13:49:42] | fryfrog: | but i finally found a cheap 939 X2 cpu to add to my server |
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| [13:50:00] | fryfrog: | you run trunk or -fixes now-a-days? |
| [13:50:06] | GreyFoxx: | always trunk |
| [13:50:10] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: why are you using such high spec gfx cards? |
| [13:50:18] | fryfrog: | $65 for a 4400+ X2 on amazon.com! |
| [13:50:25] | fryfrog: | 8400 and 8500, i'd not call high spec |
| [13:50:29] | GreyFoxx: | Cause they were cheap andavailabnle :) |
| [13:50:31] | fryfrog: | what were they, $40–50 each? |
| [13:50:36] | dustybin: | oh ok |
| [13:50:38] | fryfrog: | or maybe less? |
| [13:50:42] | dustybin: | i thought a fx5200 would of been good enough |
| [13:50:45] | GreyFoxx: | $50–60 for one,$80 fgor the other |
| [13:50:50] | fryfrog: | sure, but not in pci-e |
| [13:50:54] | dustybin: | ok |
| [13:51:03] | GreyFoxx: | no agp onhere :) |
| [13:51:05] | fryfrog: | a 6100 pci-e probably would have been enough, dunno if they sell those anymore though |
| [13:51:13] | dustybin: | i see |
| [13:51:23] | fryfrog: | any reason you picked those two? |
| [13:51:30] | fryfrog: | i mean, i'd have figured 2 idental ones at least |
| [13:51:40] | GreyFoxx: | "cheap andavailable" |
| [13:51:48] | GreyFoxx: | I have no need foridentical |
| [13:51:57] | GreyFoxx: | this isn't runningas SLI |
| [13:52:00] | fryfrog: | or spaces! |
| [13:52:04] | fryfrog: | spaces are for bitches :) |
| [13:52:09] | GreyFoxx: | stuck key on my laptop :) |
| [13:52:30] | fryfrog: | i was sort of thinking maybe you didn't buy them at the same time or something |
| [13:52:30] | dustybin: | if nvidia linux GPU decoding does come to light, then maybe you would need one of those 8 series cards |
| [13:52:51] | fryfrog: | i'm not sure, but i don't think those 8 series cards to HD offloading |
| [13:53:10] | fryfrog: | i think only the newer chips on the 8600 and the *new* 8800s (and 9xxx) |
| [13:53:16] | dustybin: | oh i see |
| [13:53:19] | fryfrog: | s/to/do |
| [13:53:51] | fryfrog: | I remember when the 8600GT came out, I couldn't believe that it had *better* hd cpu offloading features than their way more expensive 8800s at the time |
| [13:54:01] | fryfrog: | months later, they... came out with new 8800s though |
| [13:54:09] | fryfrog: | god, i hate nvidia and their card naming shit |
| [13:54:23] | fryfrog: | GT, GTO, GTS, GTX, GS |
| [13:54:40] | fryfrog: | what ever else they come up with |
| [13:54:51] | dustybin: | they sound like racing cars |
| [13:54:57] | dustybin: | the GTX Turbo |
| [13:55:12] | fryfrog: | Don't forget "Ultra" thrown onto one or two of those |
| [13:55:32] | fryfrog: | i think i saw a mention of a video card with a turbo button! |
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| [13:55:44] | fryfrog: | an actual *button* on the card, near the monitor hook up |
| [13:55:49] | dustybin: | lol |
| [13:55:53] | fryfrog: | what a ton of use, with your pc crammed somewhere and hidden |
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| [13:57:10] | XLV: | fryfrog, 8400 and 8500 offload hd decoding, but since it uses vertex shaders ( or it was pixel shaders ) of the card, 8400 and 8500 didnt have the required power to playback everything smoothly, 8600 and upwards did |
| [13:58:08] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [13:58:24] | fryfrog: | in windows, of course :) |
| [13:58:41] | fryfrog: | what do you even use to playback h/x264 video in windows? |
| [13:58:49] | fryfrog: | i've honestly never tried |
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| [14:02:03] | XLV: | fryfrog, the cpu, cause in the desktops i got 7950gt, which dont accelerate h264/vc1 decode.. the htpc has too slow cpu (3800x2 ) and card is a mere 6600gt, so no h264/vc1 there.. also the fact that is still connected to a sd crt ( tvout ) makes things more difficult ;-) |
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| [14:12:43] | |Torg|: | XLV what is the vc1 part? Ive heard h264 called mpeg4, mpeg4 part 10 and mpeg4 avc but never vc1 |
| [14:13:13] | XLV: | i think its MS term |
| [14:13:19] | Ace2016: | How much recording time do you get for 500GB? |
| [14:13:32] | |Torg|: | Ace2016: it depends on bitrate |
| [14:13:45] | Ace2016: | recording hdtv and sdtv |
| [14:13:49] | XLV: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VC-1 |
| [14:14:53] | |Torg|: | 262 500M is about 10 mins, in 264 it is about 15 mins, at high quality |
| [14:14:59] | |Torg|: | I dunno about SD I dont record it |
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| [14:15:16] | |Torg|: | sorry no I calculated that wrong, |
| [14:15:44] | |Torg|: | 262 is 6–8G/hr, 264 is 4–6G/hr, altho I can make 264 10G/hr |
| [14:16:32] | |Torg|: | I make 264 at 3M/sec much lower then what the ATSC I encoded from. mostly becae I prefer the lower filesize to the higher quality picture |
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| [14:16:49] | |Torg|: | but I dunno if I really answered your question |
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| [14:18:35] | |Torg|: | thanks XLV |
| [14:19:14] | |Torg|: | I love wikipedia authores for shit like this "VC-1 is an evolution of the conventional DCT-based video codec design" |
| [14:19:47] | whoDat_: | is there something I can adjust to make HD over firewire less cpu intensive? mythfrontend jumps from 30% to 115% when i change to a firewire channel |
| [14:24:34] | stuarta: | are the non firewire channels HD as well? |
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| [14:54:51] | spud1: | I ran initial mythtv-setup, received the following messages from terminal.. |
| [14:54:51] | spud1: | mythtv: could not connect to socket |
| [14:54:51] | spud1: | mythtv: No such file or directory |
| [14:54:51] | spud1: | lirc_init failed for mythtv, see preceeding messages |
| [14:54:51] | spud1: | Is this significant, or should I proceed? |
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| [14:58:10] | stuarta: | spud1: proceed |
| [14:58:36] | spud1: | ok |
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| [15:09:52] | sebrock: | I have one thing that fails during boot: mount /dev/disk/by-uuid/2B57–4616 does not exist (or something like that). How can I fix this?? |
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| [15:10:28] | |Torg|: | your missing a disk |
| [15:10:45] | sebrock: | well Im not... this is on a fresh install, no changes |
| [15:10:49] | |Torg|: | did you change some hardware, maybe a usb disk or cdrom? |
| [15:10:57] | sebrock: | nothing |
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| [15:11:08] | |Torg|: | are all your disks mounted? |
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| [15:11:14] | sebrock: | It would be safe to remove this from wherever it is... |
| [15:11:16] | sebrock: | yes |
| [15:11:18] | sebrock: | and working fine |
| [15:11:34] | |Torg|: | edit /etc/fstaba nd remove it then |
| [15:11:40] | |Torg|: | err /etc/fstab |
| [15:11:49] | sebrock: | didnt see it there... lol |
| [15:12:20] | sebrock: | nah now I see, its an old win partition |
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| [15:14:15] | sebrock: | btw do yo |Torg| know what the module "lp" is for? |
| [15:15:03] | justinh: | parallel port |
| [15:15:12] | sebrock: | oh I dont need that :D |
| [15:15:13] | justinh: | lp == line printer |
| [15:16:24] | |Torg|: | actually justinh the second part is correct its a printer driver, the paralel port drive is a seperate one |
| [15:23:07] | justinh: | oh yeah DUH. parport_pc is the parallel port |
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| [16:06:18] | gizmobay: | I'm having a hard time finding a DVI-I dual link to HDNI cable. Anyone know where I can find one? I'm in the US. |
| [16:07:27] | |Torg|: | do you mean DVI to HDMI? as in make the video from a PC video card output to a HDTVs HDMI port? |
| [16:07:38] | gizmobay: | Yes |
| [16:08:17] | |Torg|: | http://www.svideo.com/dvihdmi2.html |
| [16:08:42] | |Torg|: | that was simply the first link off goggle, they are very common |
| [16:09:13] | XLV: | he wants dual link dvi though |
| [16:09:14] | |Torg|: | if you absolutly have to have it right away you can get them at best buy and circuit city, be prepaird to spend $75 on a cable you can get for $20 online tho |
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| [16:09:35] | gizmobay: | does it matter if my connector is dvi dual link |
| [16:09:47] | gizmobay: | the one in the link is a bit different |
| [16:09:54] | |Torg|: | http://sewelldirect.com/hdmi-to-dvi-dual-link-cable-10-ft.asp |
| [16:10:29] | |Torg|: | and no mostly it does not make a differnce |
| [16:11:26] | |Torg|: | if your card can output digital and your tv can read it, what differnce does it make? |
| [16:11:27] | XLV: | single link dvi suffices for 1920x1080 at 60hz iirc |
| [16:12:01] | XLV: | and dual link dvi cards can work using single link dvi too |
| [16:12:06] | |Torg|: | yes XLV I use one myself, will do 1080P@60hz, altho I use it for 1080I@60 and 720P@60 |
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| [16:12:40] | gizmobay: | thanks, I just want to make sure I didn't buy the wrong cable |
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| [16:13:01] | |Torg|: | what video card do you have? |
| [16:13:31] | gizmobay: | GeForce FX5200 |
| [16:13:40] | |Torg|: | what kind of TV do you have? |
| [16:13:49] | gizmobay: | Haven't bought it yet |
| [16:14:36] | XLV: | geforce fx 5200 isnt single link dvi? |
| [16:15:05] | |Torg|: | I was just looking that up XLV, I think it is |
| [16:15:57] | gizmobay: | DVI-I dual link |
| [16:16:41] | |Torg|: | or to be more precise my 7900GSs are, my 7200GS is, my old 5900 was |
| [16:17:53] | |Torg|: | well HDMI cable connections are MUCH simpler then DVI ones |
| [16:18:16] | |Torg|: | there DOES exist an HDMI dual link spec but I have never seen a TV that uses it |
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| [16:18:30] | XLV: | hdmi 1.2 and upwards i think its dual link |
| [16:18:37] | |Torg|: | so a signle link DVI to HDMI should work fine |
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| [16:19:01] | XLV: | no, hdmi 1.3 and upwards |
| [16:19:07] | gizmobay: | thanks, I'll do that |
| [16:19:19] | XLV: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI |
| [16:20:02] | gizmobay: | do you need a special cable to hook the audio from the computer to the fp tv? |
| [16:20:52] | |Torg|: | mine, yes its not "speical tho" its a coax SPDIF cable from an audio card that does digital audio to a Yamaha AV reciever |
| [16:21:12] | XLV: | gizmobay, you need a graphics card that either has a audio device on it, or a card that takes spdif from integrated mb codec or soundcard and blends it into hdmi |
| [16:21:47] | XLV: | eg http://www.gainward.com/product/product_detai . . . ducts_id=137 |
| [16:21:49] | |Torg|: | and like XLV said there are devices that can mux the audio and dvi into hdmi |
| [16:22:10] | XLV: | there are external devices that do that too, but are very expensive |
| [16:22:17] | XLV: | 300–400$ |
| [16:22:40] | |Torg|: | right, which is why I simply put it in my AV reciever, besides I didnt install all those high end speakers for nothing :P |
| [16:23:33] | gizmobay: | can't you just run a cable from the computer audio output to the fp tv? |
| [16:23:49] | |Torg|: | sure, but my TV only has 3 speakers |
| [16:23:58] | XLV: | ati cards like 2600, 3600, 3800 use the first solution, integrated audio device on the card |
| [16:24:09] | XLV: | gizmobay, few TVs got spdif in |
| [16:24:15] | |Torg|: | it has connections for rear and subwoofer, my AV reciver does a MUCH better job |
| [16:24:36] | XLV: | and many dont have expensive AV receivers/amps like |Torg| |
| [16:24:41] | |Torg|: | and link XLV said, my tv dosnt have spdif in |
| [16:24:51] | gizmobay: | I'm just looking for something to get me going since I don't have an AV receiver |
| [16:24:54] | |Torg|: | expensive? no it only about $300 |
| [16:25:03] | |Torg|: | they can get to over $2000 tho |
| [16:25:10] | EvilGuru: | Even then S/P-DIF only supports DTS/DD 5.1 or two channel PXM |
| [16:25:14] | EvilGuru: | *PCM |
| [16:25:26] | |Torg|: | 7.1 I thought |
| [16:25:27] | XLV: | which are great btw... they serve as hdmi switches too, if you have more than one sources or outputs |
| [16:26:19] | |Torg|: | XLV do you know of any HDMI autoswitches? my tv only has one HDMI input and my AV reciever is so old it dosnt have digital video inptus or outputs |
| [16:26:52] | |Torg|: | im doing most of my AV via component either thought eh AV or to the TV |
| [16:26:53] | XLV: | |Torg|, http://www.google.com/search?q=hdmi+remote+sw . . . S:unofficial |
| [16:27:11] | kdub: | just get a cheap hdmi switch from monoprice |
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| [16:27:20] | XLV: | unfortunately i dont have any of there, as i said, i am still on a sd crt .... |
| [16:27:29] | XLV: | s/there/these |
| [16:27:29] | |Torg|: | I know there are allot of them, I was asking for a recomendation :) |
| [16:28:14] | XLV: | nope. but what can go wrong? hdmi is digital too, no fear of signal degredation cause of a bad quality device |
| [16:28:21] | |Torg|: | im already remote bound and WAF is directly inverse to number of remotes |
| [16:28:33] | XLV: | yeah, waf is a problem ;-) |
| [16:28:46] | XLV: | programmable remote perhaps? |
| [16:29:06] | |Torg|: | if your SO does not claim your AV system is a plot agsint them to make it so they can not watch tv, you have not set it up correctly :P |
| [16:29:53] | XLV: | i should make a similar contraption for the phones also ;-) |
| [16:30:03] | |Torg|: | I have a harmony 880, takes about 2 mins to fully switch to something and yuou have to aim it all that time while its switching |
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| [16:31:36] | justinh: | so much for them being the cure for all remote issues then eh |
| [16:32:51] | |Torg|: | eventualy I will just replace my old AV with one that has HDMI inputs and outputs |
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| [16:35:31] | Ace2016: | Hi all |
| [16:36:07] | |Torg|: | http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-RX-V361BL-5-1-Ch . . . 9401-7876716 |
| [16:36:21] | |Torg|: | there you go XLV, the NEWER version of mine is $200 |
| [16:36:35] | Ace2016: | How many hours of recordings can a 500GB hard disk hold? SDTV broadcasts from freeview |
| [16:36:52] | XLV: | |Torg|, then you need speakers .. 200$ easily |
| [16:37:10] | XLV: | they are great, but the credit card is already whining |
| [16:37:53] | |Torg|: | I bought my speakers a pair at a time, and an additianl subwoofer |
| [16:38:03] | |Torg|: | I spent about $250 a pop tho for them |
| [16:38:48] | XLV: | i need a proper display first |
| [16:39:10] | XLV: | i dont watch that much TV and movies to decide to get it |
| [16:39:10] | rosco_: | Hi. when I scan the transports given by the file used by kaffeine (importing channels.conf is buggy) Icencounter the error: "Found channel, but it doesn't match existing tsid". I've patched the database and replaced the NULL entries with zero, but I still have this error. What should I do ? (mythtv 0.21) |
| [16:39:32] | |Torg|: | my TV was free, well a bonus I got, its what started me on buying all the otehr AV stuff tho....so in the end it wasnt exactly free |
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| [16:40:07] | |Torg|: | rosco_: what kind of card is this, what is your source? |
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| [16:42:23] | rosco_: | |torg|: it's a hauppauge 1110 using DVB-T. I can receive 80% of the channels with mythtv, 100% with kaffeine. So I've added the missing transports from kaffeine to mythtv (2 lines). Those transports get a lock, but they always return this error. |
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| [16:43:34] | |Torg|: | I dont know how DVB-T works I have ATSC cards, but all I did was a full scan and it found all the channels |
| [16:48:16] | stuarta: | rosco_: have you tried doing a full scan? |
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| [16:52:16] | rosco_: | stuarta: yes, the full scan gives me 80% of the channels, and I can see a "tsid error" in the logs. All the missing channels (according to the file given by the dvbscan utility) are located on two specific transports. I don't know how to customize them more than I did in the interface... |
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| [16:53:05] | stuarta: | sounds like there's some dodgy signalling going on. |
| [16:53:38] | |Torg|: | that or week signal, I get things like that when Im tuning statiosn that are over 50 miles away |
| [16:53:59] | EvilGuru: | For DVB-T in the UK is the resolution fixed? As according to mplayer some recordings as 720x576 while others are 544x576 |
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| [16:55:00] | stuarta: | any chance you can rerun the scan? i'd be interested in seeing the output from mythtv-setup --verbose siparser,channel,record |
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| [17:03:51] | luke512: | hello everybody |
| [17:04:25] | luke512: | i got a lot of trouble to get tv out on my pvr 350 under mythdora 5 working |
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| [17:05:07] | luke512: | everything i tried even ends on a black screen on tv with only sound out of the pvr |
| [17:05:14] | justinh: | bloody hell if it doesn't work on a ready-rolled distro... |
| [17:05:30] | justinh: | tried 'use pvr350 decoder' in tv playback settings? |
| [17:05:47] | luke512: | yes of course |
| [17:06:22] | iamlindoro: | rm -rf pvr-350* |
| [17:06:27] | Ace2016: | you need mythbuntu |
| [17:07:03] | luke512: | why should i delete everything??? |
| [17:07:26] | luke512: | you mean i better throw the pvr away? |
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| [17:08:10] | iamlindoro: | luke512: I was agreeing with justinh's implied assessment that the PVR-350 is... erm... to put it kindly, past its heyday |
| [17:09:09] | luke512: | ??? please explain this my english is to bad for that |
| [17:09:50] | luke512: | i just start frontend with -v all and post the oputput here |
| [17:09:51] | luke512: | http://www.nopaste.com/p/aVKEG5Ql5 |
| [17:10:01] | luke512: | its from strating live tv to en |
| [17:10:04] | luke512: | +d |
| [17:10:20] | luke512: | maybe someone can see what goes wrong |
| [17:10:23] | |Torg|: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_PVR-350 |
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| [17:12:39] | luke512: | d00dtv in mythdora forum told me that he can't detect a problem there |
| [17:12:42] | spud1: | is win-tv-pvr-150 same as pvr-150? |
| [17:13:01] | luke512: | except of tv-out i think so |
| [17:13:10] | luke512: | on crt everything is working |
| [17:13:24] | spud1: | right, no tv out |
| [17:13:58] | luke512: | thats the feature i bought the card for |
| [17:14:03] | iamlindoro: | spud1: WinTV PVR-150 and a PVR-150 are identical in every way |
| [17:14:18] | iamlindoro: | spud1: They are two names for the same card |
| [17:14:27] | iamlindoro: | Actually, they are the same name |
| [17:14:37] | iamlindoro: | just usually people don't say the "wintv" part |
| [17:15:12] | luke512: | oh i haven't read carefully |
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| [17:17:28] | luke512: | |Torg|, i just tried that link but no success |
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| [17:18:00] | luke512: | the hardware is working correctly cause i tested it under windows |
| [17:19:15] | luke512: | justinh, ??? |
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| [17:20:20] | gbee: | luke512: the tv-out part of the PVR-350 doesn't work on linux, we recommend people use a video card from Nvidia, ATi or Intel for TV-out instead |
| [17:21:33] | luke512: | oh i can't believe that why do people in forum tell that it is working |
| [17:21:44] | justinh: | should've asked here first |
| [17:21:54] | luke512: | and why is there a gui for installation |
| [17:22:00] | justinh: | AFAIK it should still work in linux but support for it is patchy |
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| [17:22:21] | justinh: | and besides, none of the original advantages of using a pvr350 card are relevant these days |
| [17:22:26] | stuarta: | wtf is going on with my mysql |
| [17:22:34] | stuarta: | it's refusing to dump |
| [17:22:35] | gbee: | luke512: some people, with old versions of mythtv and linux have managed to get it working, but it's not easy and it breaks with every update to mythtv or IVTV |
| [17:22:35] | iamlindoro: | all the advantages have become drawbacks :) |
| [17:22:55] | |Torg|: | stuarta: ??? do you have rows locked? |
| [17:23:11] | stuarta: | nope, nothing is using it. |
| [17:23:22] | ** stuarta beats mysql with a fresh trout ** | |
| [17:23:26] | gbee: | it's just easier to say that's it's broken in linux, you'll save yourself a lot of trouble using something else for tv-out |
| [17:23:54] | |Torg|: | stuarta: what error does it give you? |
| [17:24:10] | stuarta: | just hangs |
| [17:24:11] | luke512: | i just ried to get an old matrox 450 working but no success |
| [17:24:16] | ** stuarta breaks out strace ** | |
| [17:24:19] | gbee: | think we should just rip out the PVR350 stuff from setup, it causes way too much confusion |
| [17:25:03] | luke512: | why are there so many troubles on linux |
| [17:25:10] | stuarta: | !trout self with a cluebat |
| [17:25:10] | ** MythLogBot slaps self with a with a cluebat trout on behalf of stuarta... ** | |
| [17:25:11] | justinh: | luke512: what troubles? |
| [17:25:15] | |Torg|: | INNOdb or IASM? |
| [17:25:17] | iamlindoro: | luke512: Because you get what you pay for! |
| [17:25:34] | justinh: | don't take forum users' word for anything! EVER |
| [17:25:43] | stuarta: | the command for mysqldump is mysqldump *not* mysql!!!!! |
| [17:25:47] | justinh: | or at least pay attention to the posting dates :P |
| [17:26:24] | luke512: | i mean troubles with the pvr 350 |
| [17:26:35] | luke512: | on linux |
| [17:26:40] | justinh: | pvr350 support has been patchy at best since 0.20 |
| [17:27:31] | stuarta: | if the forums lead you to believe that they can get the pvr350 to work, then maybe they can help get it working? |
| [17:27:55] | gbee: | luke512: no-one cares enough about tv-out on the PVR-350 to maintain the code |
| [17:28:49] | luke512: | i think everyone is using lcd's |
| [17:29:35] | Dagmar: | What's that got to do with it? |
| [17:29:35] | iamlindoro: | no, tons of people are using S-vieo and composite outs... they just do it with decent GPUs |
| [17:29:53] | Dagmar: | Exactly. The PVR-350's output kinda sucks |
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| [17:30:19] | iamlindoro: | Which is putting it nicely :) It *completely* sucks |
| [17:30:20] | iamlindoro: | hehe |
| [17:30:47] | Dagmar: | I gotta order parts for my setup today if I want htem to arrive for the weekend. *sigh* |
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| [17:31:07] | gbee: | luke512: people use Nvidia, ATi and Intel graphics cards with S-Video or composite output instead – I'd say most people have mythtv connected to their TV this way |
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| [17:31:34] | Dagmar: | nVidia + s-video == win for SD |
| [17:31:53] | iamlindoro: | If anyone is interested, there's still time to catch this on Discovery HD-- "When We Left Earth" is about the space program, it's been really great so far |
| [17:32:13] | justinh: | back in the day when people used to recommend pvr350 cards, VGA card TV outputs were awful. now they're not |
| [17:32:15] | iamlindoro: | I think it continues to replay the next few weekends |
| [17:32:37] | luke512: | but for this solutions i don't believe that my PIII is fast enough to get stable tv out |
| [17:32:59] | iamlindoro: | luke512: What's your processor got to do with using the GPU video out instead of the PVR-350? |
| [17:33:13] | iamlindoro: | answer: nuffin' |
| [17:33:19] | Dagmar: | luke512: Based on what? |
| [17:33:54] | Dagmar: | I can guarantee you that your PVR-350 isn't doing a *damn* thing to compensate for a lack of CPU power |
| [17:34:03] | Dagmar: | If anything, it is *hindering* you |
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| [17:34:53] | luke512: | i thougt the encoder on the pvr does the job for stable output so you can use a slower cpu |
| [17:35:02] | justinh: | that was the general idea, yes |
| [17:35:08] | justinh: | and it'd be the DE coder |
| [17:35:12] | iamlindoro: | You're thinking of the *decoder* on the 350... |
| [17:35:15] | luke512: | but now i think i totally misunderstood the material |
| [17:35:31] | luke512: | yes decoder sorry |
| [17:35:40] | justinh: | if your CPU is only puny, maybe you have to try and get the pvr350 to work, or think about changing systems |
| [17:35:58] | justinh: | then again, > 800mhz can cope with SDTV just fine if it's MPEG2 |
| [17:36:04] | iamlindoro: | anyway, for SD mpeg-2 decode you don't need much processor, and with a decend GPU there are a few (poor) options for hardware decode anyway |
| [17:40:38] | luke512: | yeaasterday i bought an asus tusl2 with an PIII 1266 CPU maybe it works well with an GPU or maybe not |
| [17:40:56] | iamlindoro: | 1.2 Ghz is *more* than enough, as justinh said |
| [17:41:10] | hadees: | Does anyone know if an appletv will be able to decode a file captured at 720p from the HD-PVR |
| [17:41:43] | luke512: | i'm very confused now cause everywhere at the beginning of my first htpc i read everywhere the G450 Matrox has a well TV-Out |
| [17:41:44] | iamlindoro: | hadees: maybe if you crank the bitrate down, but @ 13.5 Mbit I would call that profoundly unlikely |
| [17:42:10] | luke512: | but i tried a couple of weeks to get it work with no success |
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| [17:42:24] | iamlindoro: | luke512: Stop using ancient equipment... You have had the right manufacturers recommended to you multiple times |
| [17:42:26] | iamlindoro: | ATI |
| [17:42:28] | iamlindoro: | nVidia |
| [17:42:29] | iamlindoro: | Intel |
| [17:42:31] | iamlindoro: | The End |
| [17:42:35] | hadees: | iamlindoro, is there any sort of consensus on a cheap frontend that will do it? how about an mac mini? |
| [17:43:09] | iamlindoro: | hadees: The high end Mac Mini *might* be able to cut it if you use the CoreAVC |
| [17:43:10] | luke512: | but what about the trouble with ati on linux |
| [17:43:17] | |Torg|: | hmm wher can I find "The End" equipment :) |
| [17:43:27] | iamlindoro: | luke512: Recent experience shows that the situation has changed |
| [17:43:35] | hadees: | i'm looking for a cheap and unobtrusive frontend for my bed room |
| [17:44:03] | iamlindoro: | hadees: Tests on the HD-PVR content show that whatever people think they need, they need MOAR |
| [17:44:19] | luke512: | is the amd 780 chip now supported? |
| [17:44:46] | luke512: | cause i thought first to buy one |
| [17:44:46] | XLV: | luke512, hd decode isnt |
| [17:45:07] | XLV: | so you'd still need beefy cpu |
| [17:45:12] | hadees: | iamlindoro, can you use CoreAVC on linux? |
| [17:45:18] | iamlindoro: | hadees: yes |
| [17:45:23] | luke512: | and after some readings i throw this thougt away |
| [17:45:48] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: X2 3800+ enough?> |
| [17:46:34] | hadees: | iamlindoro, what do you think the basic specs for frontend that can decode HD-PVR content? |
| [17:46:36] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar: There was a guy in #hdpvr trying w/ CoreAVC (the current fasted h.264 decode option for that material) on a 4200 and he still got some skipping |
| [17:46:48] | hadees: | iamlindoro, maybe i'll just have to build one myself |
| [17:47:01] | Dagmar: | Wow |
| [17:47:16] | Dagmar: | Damn am I glad I figured out how to setup playback performance profiles then |
| [17:47:20] | |Torg|: | I got better performance with skiploopfilter then CoreAVC |
| [17:48:04] | iamlindoro: | hadees: Here's the results of my tests so far on an E4500 C2D @ 2.2 Ghz. Plays 6–10 Mbit 1080i captures from the HD-PVR fine with deinterlacer turned off. Patch Myth with skiploopfilter patch, and it can play the 13.5 Mbit stuff with occasional skipping. Patch Myth for CoreAVC and it makes mincemeat out of the stuff, plays perfectly even in high motion scenes. |
| [17:48:30] | Dagmar: | Hmm... A shame CoreAVC isn't free |
| [17:48:40] | |Torg|: | its only $15 |
| [17:48:44] | Dagmar: | Still probably cheaper than MOAR CPUZ |
| [17:48:59] | hadees: | yeah $15 is reasonable |
| [17:49:03] | Dagmar: | Yep. I think so. |
| [17:49:04] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar: especially since w/o CoreAVC you can't multithread the HD-PVR captures |
| [17:49:10] | iamlindoro: | but w/ it you can :) |
| [17:49:17] | Dagmar: | Wait, why would I want to multithread a capture? |
| [17:49:23] | EvilGuru: | Isn't there a GSoC project working on better multi-threaded decoding? |
| [17:49:29] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar: This is playback |
| [17:49:31] | Dagmar: | Or do you mean multi-thread playback |
| [17:49:33] | Dagmar: | Ah |
| [17:49:41] | EvilGuru: | (for FFmpeg) |
| [17:49:44] | Dagmar: | x264 was supposedly working on thaty |
| [17:49:51] | iamlindoro: | EvilGuru: yes, there is, and that may bear fruit too |
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| [17:58:00] | iamlindoro: | I need to make a few more varying bitrate samples for people to test now that the driver has stabilized noticably |
| [17:58:26] | luke512: | holy shit ... damn |
| [17:58:46] | iamlindoro: | Will see if I can find a baseball game to capture for some motion tests |
| [17:59:29] | XLV: | baseball.. motion... why not basketball? |
| [18:00:01] | iamlindoro: | XLV: Because we're in playoffs and it's forever between games, versus baseball which I can find tons of games on today? |
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| [18:07:35] | Dagmar: | I assume everyone's seen this bullshit http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp |
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| [18:08:44] | Dagmar: | Their support line says to call for information about their products, and I'm tempted to call them on Monday and ask how high they were when they came up with that price. |
| [18:09:13] | luke512: | i think very high |
| [18:09:32] | iamlindoro: | Jesus tapdancing christ |
| [18:09:48] | sphery: | Yeah, but it's 1 /and a half/ meters long... |
| [18:10:33] | Dagmar: | It's basically a five foot ethernet cable, dude. |
| [18:10:35] | sphery: | Actually they claim that it reduces the error rate /significantly/. In most applications error rate isn't a problem because of TCP error correction, but for them it was critical. |
| [18:10:38] | Dagmar: | ...for *digital* audio. |
| [18:11:11] | Dagmar: | Their sending/recieving equipment is seriously shit if it's getting errors over a shielded piece of cat6 |
| [18:11:17] | Dagmar: | I mean *seriously* shit. |
| [18:11:54] | Dagmar: | I can wrap five foot of ethernet in christmas lights and still run 100base-T over it without errors. |
| [18:11:56] | sphery: | See http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2 . . . hernet-cable (and, especially, the 3rd comment) |
| [18:12:06] | sphery: | though the 2nd comment is pretty funny, too |
| [18:12:19] | Dagmar: | I'm going to call them on MOnday |
| [18:13:00] | |Torg|: | hell my whole house is wrired with spare cat 6 from a fw data centers. Other then being multicolored it works fine |
| [18:13:05] | Dagmar: | That third person commenting is either a shill, or a retard. |
| [18:13:20] | sphery: | I'm guessing the former. |
| [18:13:22] | Dagmar: | "its purely an AUDIO product." my ass |
| [18:13:36] | sphery: | I don't buy their story and I'd love to see some real-world tests. |
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| [18:14:48] | jwillis: | jwillis: I was wondering if someone could give me some advice. I am trying to compile SVN version of mythtv from a script, and I keep getting dvbtypes.h:18:31: error: linux/dvb/version.h: No such file or directory |
| [18:14:56] | |Torg|: | if you are getting errors in your TCP netowrk you need to replace that hub with a switch |
| [18:15:21] | sphery: | jwillis: you really shouldn't be using SVN trunk (which is what I assume you meant by SVN) |
| [18:15:42] | jwillis: | I am pulling the 21 fixes branch |
| [18:15:52] | Dagmar: | You forgot to install the kernel-headers package |
| [18:15:54] | AndyCap: | ORLY?!? "the error rate per bit can be massive! " |
| [18:15:57] | Dagmar: | No it is not what you get with kernel source. |
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| [18:18:03] | superm1: | iamlindoro, okay i'm going to try to make a binary package for myth to support coreavc in ubuntu. I assume that you followed: http://code.google.com/p/coreavc-for-linux/wi . . . Installation |
| [18:18:11] | superm1: | so i'll need to make that svn tree into a new package too |
| [18:18:12] | gbee: | comment 3 is idiocy, the maximum permitted error rate for a certified HDMI cable is 1 in a billion |
| [18:18:30] | iamlindoro: | superm1: yeah, that's what I followed |
| [18:18:38] | gbee: | in reality most cables do far better than that |
| [18:18:42] | superm1: | hrm. they don't have versions marked there |
| [18:19:20] | sphery: | Yeah. I think it's just the company line that allows them to convince their (ignorant) retailers to push that cable without feelings of guilt. |
| [18:19:47] | gbee: | didn't realise that there were still hubs out there, I've not seen them sold for years, not when you can get a home sized switch (5/8 port) for under £15 |
| [18:20:09] | EvilGuru: | I swear I already posted the $499 ethernet cable piece today? |
| [18:20:13] | |Torg|: | gbee: I fully agree, I have a 2 foot monster HDMI cable that cost over $100 (because at the time I didnt know any better) and replaced with a 6 foor generic one. I cant even tell the differnce between the two (other then one is too short) |
| [18:20:29] | sphery: | Maybe it all comes down to the rising price of copper. :) |
| [18:20:53] | |Torg|: | for that price I could make them out of gold strand |
| [18:21:17] | EvilGuru: | For longer runs, better cables do make a difference, but I would *always* try the cheapest at the desired length first |
| [18:21:26] | gbee: | EvilGuru: yeah, you did, just a different crowd here this evening |
| [18:21:59] | EvilGuru: | I bet James Randi would give them $1 million if they should show a difference |
| [18:23:02] | |Torg|: | I have a 3com MD12 12 port 10base-T *AUDIO ONLY* hub ill sell you for $1200. Ill even blow the dust off it for you |
| [18:23:33] | Dagmar: | Gold and unicorn hairs |
| [18:24:13] | EvilGuru: | |Torg|: Does it come with an über power cable? |
| [18:24:18] | |Torg|: | sorry its a TP12 |
| [18:24:36] | |Torg|: | sure EvilGuru, for $250 more ill throw it in |
| [18:24:59] | EvilGuru: | How much more to gold plate the connectors |
| [18:25:10] | |Torg|: | its an *AUDIO ONLY* power cable |
| [18:25:42] | iamlindoro: | Does that power cable have an error rate near 0? |
| [18:26:10] | |Torg|: | not with my power comany :P |
| [18:26:18] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [18:27:00] | |Torg|: | its in my closet with the "why dont you get rid of that shit" electronics |
| [18:27:26] | EvilGuru: | If people think that is an April fools joke they should take a look at Russ Andrews |
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| [18:27:56] | EvilGuru: | (Warning: if you are allergic to BS there is a 100% chance of death) |
| [18:28:41] | |Torg|: | hell its outragious even if those were US dollars |
| [18:30:01] | EvilGuru: | Nothing compared to the £1200 ($2400) power cable |
| [18:30:27] | |Torg|: | does it come with its own lithium battery and solar pannel? |
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| [18:34:20] | EvilGuru: | Sec, I've just found a review on the cable. Nothing more entertaining than reading the buzz-words of audiophiles |
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| [18:36:55] | justinh: | nutjobs, the lot of them |
| [18:37:15] | sphery: | Heh... "Comcast to drop analog cable" thread on -users list sure makes me happy I'm OTA only (mainly because digital allows encryption)! |
| [18:38:29] | stuarta: | the whole world has gone crazy |
| [18:38:47] | ** stuarta goes back to documenting how to run dev & prod systems on the same box ** | |
| [18:38:56] | Dagmar: | Really? I'll have to check this thread |
| [18:39:03] | Dagmar: | I've seen nothing about Comcast dropping analog yet |
| [18:39:06] | |Torg|: | stuarta: your joking right? |
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| [18:39:25] | stuarta: | |Torg|: nope |
| [18:39:29] | stuarta: | do it all the time :) |
| [18:39:31] | sphery: | Dagmar: http://www.usatoday.com/money/media/2008-06-1 . . . igital_N.htm (though it's 2010 target date) |
| [18:39:37] | stuarta: | hence i'm documenting it |
| [18:39:45] | |Torg|: | well thank you :) |
| [18:39:51] | sphery: | stuarta: but with 2 DB's, right? |
| [18:39:56] | stuarta: | yup |
| [18:40:09] | sphery: | so don't get your hopes up too much everyone :) |
| [18:40:23] | stuarta: | and careful use of manipulation of LD lib load paths |
| [18:40:32] | |Torg|: | stuarta: you do know I make my living at migrating data. many times seperating dev from prod. So its people like you who make owrk for people like me |
| [18:40:36] | Dagmar: | I don't see how the francise here will even make that date |
| [18:40:46] | Dagmar: | THey can't get their ondemand system to stay running for more than about a half a day |
| [18:40:58] | stuarta: | |Torg|: 8-) |
| [18:41:12] | superm1: | sphery, now it would be nice if that had the effect that the general public demanded no encryption so they could just use integrated QAM tuners on their TVs |
| [18:41:19] | stuarta: | it's not actually as bad as it sounds |
| [18:41:21] | superm1: | but i dont anticipate it will likely go that way |
| [18:41:26] | sphery: | Dagmar: that's unbelievable. What part of "on demand" do they not understand... :) |
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| [18:42:19] | sphery: | superm1: Yes, definitely. Or if the general public demanded it--with their wallets--by dropping cable and moving to OTA until the cable co's come crawling back with unencrypted channels and asking for forgiveness |
| [18:42:32] | Dagmar: | sphery: The on part. And possibly the demand part. |
| [18:42:34] | sphery: | that's what I'm waiting for |
| [18:42:37] | Dagmar: | ...and probably the uptime part. |
| [18:42:40] | superm1: | sphery, it's hard to convince a general population to do that |
| [18:42:42] | Dagmar: | Definitely the uptime part. |
| [18:42:59] | superm1: | especially if the cable company decides to start subsidizing say 4 or 5 boxes that are receivers |
| [18:43:02] | Dagmar: | Like, my gf has never managed to successfully watch an on demand program without it crashing in the middle. |
| [18:43:03] | superm1: | with your cable bill |
| [18:43:06] | luke512: | so i'm out...watching soccer..bye |
| [18:43:22] | ** luke512 is away: Trying to sort my mind...maybe back later..long live the penguin ** | |
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| [18:43:46] | sphery: | superm1: yeah, too many sheep. Too few people actually understand that you /can/ use an antenna to get TV. Too many people telling them they need special "digital" antennae (which, in fact, less useful than "analog" antenna because the digital ones are UHF-only) |
| [18:44:09] | sphery: | I'm amazed at how many people think I steal TV because I don't pay a monthly cable bill |
| [18:44:13] | superm1: | haha |
| [18:44:48] | superm1: | i would do the same if I could only get BBC america and SciFI OTA. I pretty much have digital cable solely for those two channels, the rest I record are OTA available :( |
| [18:45:17] | sphery: | (OK, Time Warner can accuse me of stealing TV because I don't watch the commercials, but it's /not/ because I don't pay a cable bill. And, paying a cable bill doesn't mean you don't have to watch commercials since you "bought the show...") |
| [18:45:23] | |Torg|: | my neighers all told me that my antenna wouldnt work, and the comany I bought it from tank god didnt even know what a digital tv was. So I just got a plain old directiona antenna for $50 put it up on a 30' pole |
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| [18:45:42] | |Torg|: | I especailly like the monthy fee I pay for all that ATSC HD signal |
| [18:46:09] | EvilGuru: | In the UK we have to pay a TV license for OTA stuff (funds the BBC) |
| [18:46:17] | sphery: | superm1: Yeah, there are a few shows that I can't get, so I buy them on TV (Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis, BSG, ...) |
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| [18:46:26] | sphery: | s/TV/DVD/ |
| [18:46:49] | |Torg|: | sphery: I rent them from netflicks :) |
| [18:47:05] | superm1: | sphery, that's a functional solution, just a wee bit slow as for release dates. BSG is like crack sometimes and hard to wait for a DVD to come out :) |
| [18:47:18] | sphery: | yeah, I'd do that, but I don't watch enough to cover the subscription cost. |
| [18:47:57] | |Torg|: | my wife loves it, and ues that damn roku box more then the pvr |
| [18:48:12] | |Torg|: | you go on an tell her she cant use them anymore, go on, ill watch |
| [18:48:49] | sphery: | I'll agree it can be hard to wait for BSG. I also find that going from BSG (very dark) to some other show (like the Stargate ones) which isn't so dark can be a real shock to the system. |
| [18:49:10] | sphery: | actually, going back to BSG is the hardest way |
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| [18:49:40] | superm1: | well only another 12–14 episodes and all the BSG crack is over :( |
| [18:49:49] | sphery: | |Torg|: what does that Roku box do, again? |
| [18:50:01] | sphery: | was is YouTube? or "on demand" video? |
| [18:50:24] | |Torg|: | connects to netflicks in my instant queue allwing me to watch whatever is in it streamed over my network connection |
| [18:50:34] | |Torg|: | as in "on demand" |
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| [18:51:04] | sphery: | Yeah, I'll miss BSG. And with SG-1 done (and Stargate Continuum about to be released), we'll be sorely lacking good space shows... |
| [18:51:19] | GreyFoxx: | yeah :/ |
| [18:51:33] | sphery: | |Torg|: what kind of quality? |
| [18:51:41] | sphery: | any idea on res/bitrate? |
| [18:51:45] | |Torg|: | SD, ok to good |
| [18:51:53] | sphery: | less than DVD, though? |
| [18:51:56] | |Torg|: | and no I havent tested it other then watching |
| [18:52:00] | |Torg|: | about same as DVD |
| [18:52:16] | dustybin: | justinh: do you use a kilowatt meter? im thinking of buying one to see how much leccy all my gear sucks up |
| [18:52:17] | sphery: | IMHO, DVD is fine on a good quality display. |
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| [18:52:32] | sphery: | dustybin: I have one. |
| [18:52:39] | dustybin: | something like this: http://www.tantronics.co.uk/acatalog/info_MIS_CIG_DC_DC.html |
| [18:52:45] | sphery: | I highly recommend it--especially as it's only about $25 US |
| [18:52:53] | dustybin: | yep |
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| [18:53:47] | |Torg|: | we have one called a kill-a-watt |
| [18:54:03] | |Torg|: | http://www.p3international.com/products/speci . . . 4400-CE.html |
| [18:54:13] | EvilGuru: | I found them to be quite depressing to look at |
| [18:54:20] | sphery: | Mine is the Kill-A-Watt brand : http://www.amazon.com/P3-International-P4400- . . . p/B00009MDBU or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . l%2ba%2bwatt |
| [18:54:30] | |Torg|: | I found it quite enligting to read and profile my eltrical usage |
| [18:54:59] | sphery: | Yeah, just need some for my clothes dryer and other "big" plugs :) |
| [18:55:04] | |Torg|: | both my MBE and SBE use about 120W together |
| [18:55:23] | |Torg|: | sphery: you find a 220V version and ill buy one |
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| [18:56:11] | dustybin: | |Torg|: how many watts do those things use themselves? |
| [18:56:13] | sphery: | Yeah, haven't seen one. Though that crazy-looking UK one has some twisted plugs, like the 220V sockets :) |
| [18:56:36] | sphery: | Wonder if P3 makes a UK one... |
| [18:56:42] | |Torg|: | dustybin: as far as I know, none. They measure what goes though them. Id assume they use some minor ammount as it has a LCD display but no battaries |
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| [18:57:19] | sphery: | Heh. http://www.p3international.com/products/consumer/p4320.html |
| [18:58:09] | pcglue: | mplayer doesn't have sound when I use it in mythtv. mythtv recordings play fine though. how can i fix this? |
| [18:58:22] | Dagmar: | Fix mplayer |
| [18:58:33] | Dagmar: | Or hey, use Myth's internal player |
| [18:58:53] | sphery: | Oh, and an electric candle with an open flame: http://www.p3international.com/products/consumer/q1048.html |
| [18:59:09] | sphery: | The itch soother worries me a bit, though: http://www.p3international.com/products/consumer/q1052.html |
| [19:00:40] | sphery: | pcglue: might need a -ao argument |
| [19:01:05] | pcglue: | sphery, I've tried all of the -ao arguments =) they don't work. |
| [19:01:18] | gizmobay: | Is ssh encrypted? |
| [19:01:24] | sphery: | wow, considering you can put any value after -ao, that would take a lot of time :) |
| [19:01:29] | Dagmar: | Then something's wrong with your mplayer binary |
| [19:01:29] | GreyFoxx: | giz: yes |
| [19:01:34] | gizmobay: | Thanks |
| [19:01:49] | sphery: | pcglue: then it's likely that your ALSA configuration is broken (or your PulseAudio config or ...) |
| [19:01:54] | pcglue: | sphery, well, I did "mplayer -ao help" and it lists some values. those are the ones I've tried. |
| [19:02:12] | Dagmar: | So, user lazieness is the problem then |
| [19:02:40] | sphery: | pcglue: yeah, but that's just driver names, but there's more. It's actually: -ao <driver1[:suboption1[=value]:...],driver2,...[,]> |
| [19:02:51] | Dagmar: | Most people would only need to use one -ao argument, and that would be the one for their audio setup. |
| [19:03:19] | sphery: | Right, assuming they've properly configured their sound (i.e. ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf or ...) |
| [19:03:32] | sphery: | then the default would work |
| [19:03:33] | |Torg|: | like mplayer -ao:alsa=default |
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| [19:03:48] | wagner: | my MBE uses about 150W, my SBE/MFE uses another 100W or so |
| [19:03:57] | pcglue: | sphery, oh. what does it mean when sound works in mythtv but not in mplayer? does mythtv not use the same "sound stuff" as mplayer? |
| [19:04:07] | sphery: | |Torg|: I think that would be mplayer -ao alsa:driver=default |
| [19:04:24] | Dagmar: | So, why are you not using the internal player? |
| [19:04:25] | sphery: | pcglue: MythTV does all its own audio and video processing. |
| [19:04:35] | |Torg|: | oops yes your right sphery its been a while since I used it :) |
| [19:04:37] | wasabi: | So I was wondering. Say I was building a new machine to be a myth box, to watch full screen (1080p) videos. h264 or whatever. what would be the minimal CPU to accomplish such? |
| [19:04:41] | sphery: | pcglue: and Dagmar's advice is the best advice--don't use mplayer |
| [19:04:46] | wasabi: | I know with CoreAVC, multiple CPUs can be made to work. |
| [19:04:47] | pcglue: | |Torg|, thanks, i'll try that |
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| [19:05:00] | sphery: | wasabi: Core 2 Quad 5GHz or so |
| [19:05:03] | |Torg|: | pcglue: do what sphery corrected me on |
| [19:05:06] | wagner: | wasabi: recent ffmpeg builds support multicore as well |
| [19:05:14] | wasabi: | sphery: Haha. |
| [19:05:21] | gbee: | wasabi: mythtv supports multicore decoding of h.264 |
| [19:05:28] | pcglue: | sphery, i'll try the internal player also, but mplayer was set up by default, so I was trying to get that to work |
| [19:05:29] | wasabi: | Oh does it? Cool. New stuff then. |
| [19:05:34] | wagner: | wasabi: what kind of video do you want to decode? 1080p h.264 is relatively meaningless |
| [19:05:36] | wasabi: | Is it godo enough to play most things, or ? |
| [19:05:38] | sphery: | wasabi: Well, I had to account for the "whatever" |
| [19:06:02] | wasabi: | wagner: The idea is I don't want to know that. I want to spend my money on something which can reasonably be expected to work for the next 3 years. |
| [19:06:02] | |Torg|: | gbee in what builds? |
| [19:06:21] | gbee: | |Torg|: 0.21 onwards |
| [19:06:31] | wasabi: | If It has the CPU to potentially decode all the blue ray crap, if we ever get players for it, then I'd be good. |
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| [19:06:36] | |Torg|: | ok I mut have my playback settings wrong then |
| [19:06:36] | wagner: | well reasonably in the next three years, youre still going to be trying to view the same media you are now |
| [19:06:42] | sphery: | wasabi: In that case, I would seriously say that your best bet (for a 3-year processor) is the top of the line. |
| [19:07:03] | gbee: | at some point we have to draw the line and say that this is #mythtv-users and not #mplayer, #xine or #vlc – if people insist on using something other than the internal player they take their chances |
| [19:07:11] | wagner: | if you want to decode 'that blue ray crap', you need a midrange quad core |
| [19:07:13] | sphery: | wasabi: Or, you can buy a lower-spec'ed proc for 1/5 the cost, then do the same in 1–2 years and end up with a more powerful proc. :) |
| [19:07:21] | wasabi: | I see. |
| [19:07:58] | wasabi: | Well, my current media is some apparently ripped japanese anime stuff which is being distributed at 1080p. No idea what specific codec features they use or whatever. |
| [19:07:58] | wagner: | if you want to decode your typical blu-ray rip off bittorrent, any C2D or a middling AMD-X2 should fit the bill |
| [19:07:59] | gbee: | I'd say a mid-range dual core should be fine for all variants of h.264 over the next 3 or more years |
| [19:08:03] | wasabi: | But it won't play worth crap on my current equipment. |
| [19:08:29] | wasabi: | gbee: That's probably a good estimate. I don't expect people in the next 4 years to produce content that can't be played on today's blu ray players, for instance. |
| [19:08:30] | gbee: | but if you want to be certain, then maybe the cheaper end of the high range stuff |
| [19:08:44] | wagner: | my current frontend (AMD 3200+; 2GHz single core) will do 720p torrents just fine |
| [19:08:44] | wasabi: | They'd have to call it BluRay 2 and redo marketing and all that stuff. |
| [19:08:48] | sphery: | wasabi: but I think people are having relatively good results playing back up to the "toughest" HD-PVR recordings (1080i60 H.264 @ 13.5Mbps) on many different Core 2 systems. |
| [19:09:11] | sphery: | though in many cases they have to disable some functionality |
| [19:09:29] | sphery: | and I think timestretch is a pipedream on that right now. |
| [19:09:30] | |Torg|: | like skiploopfilter on my Q6600 |
| [19:09:51] | gbee: | 2.5Ghz AMD ought to be enough |
| [19:09:58] | wasabi: | Is the future looking bright for the multi-cpu stuff? |
| [19:10:06] | wagner: | very |
| [19:10:08] | wasabi: | As in, does it actually benefit in a good way as to make a quad processor worth it? |
| [19:10:14] | sphery: | Isn't there an ffmpeg SoC project for it? |
| [19:10:20] | wasabi: | Or would a slightly faster dual core outperform. |
| [19:10:20] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [19:10:24] | Dagmar: | Probably more useful would be to look at 2.4Ghz cores on AMD |
| [19:10:39] | Dagmar: | 2.5Ghz cores do not use memory to the fullest, so they're not all that popular |
| [19:10:53] | wasabi: | I'd probably end up with intel anyways |
| [19:10:54] | gbee: | wasabi: at least for ffmpeg h.264 decoding, it splits the load evenly across the cores |
| [19:10:55] | Dagmar: | They wind up running the ram *slower* than a 2.4Ghz cored model |
| [19:11:00] | wagner: | sphery: ffmpeg already has multicore h.264 support through slices |
| [19:11:08] | wasabi: | gbee: Ahh. That's good to know. The format is well built for that, then. |
| [19:11:18] | wagner: | gbee: only if its properly encoded with slices |
| [19:11:22] | gbee: | Dagmar: yeah, I was just giving a rough figure, personally I'd go for something around the 2.4Ghz mark |
| [19:11:26] | iamlindoro: | wagner: He's speaking of the frame-based multithreading which won't require slices, and will work on other codecs |
| [19:11:32] | gbee: | wagner: well of course ;) |
| [19:12:26] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Yep. This one: http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ffmpeg/appinf . . . BF705A5D5DBB |
| [19:12:27] | wasabi: | guess i'll make a trip to fry's now then |
| [19:12:27] | wagner: | iamlindoro: is it supposed to seek ahead to the next I-frame and start parallel decoding there? |
| [19:12:40] | gbee: | wasabi: as wagner points out, it has to be encoded in a way that allows the work of decoding to be distributed, most broadcast h.264 is though |
| [19:12:44] | wasabi: | I see. |
| [19:12:52] | iamlindoro: | wagner: Read the thirty-odd patches the author has submitted thus far and find out |
| [19:13:09] | wagner: | bah, im too lazy to RTFP... :P |
| [19:13:12] | iamlindoro: | sphery: yeah, have been following the ffmpeg-soc mailing list to keep an eye on it |
| [19:13:35] | wasabi: | thanks for the assistance. |
| [19:14:01] | jwillis: | I am trying to compile mythtv from svn branch release-0-21-fixes, and I keep getting the following error: dvbtypes.h:18:31: error: linux/dvb/version.h: No such file or directory. I have confirmed that I have the header file in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-chw-13/include and I have a symbolic link for /usr/src/linux to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-chw-13/ |
| [19:14:22] | Dagmar: | jwillis: Wrong, wrong, and wrong. |
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| [19:14:25] | sphery: | jwillis: much better description of which SVN branch! :) |
| [19:14:27] | Dagmar: | Don't make any symlinks. |
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| [19:14:45] | Dagmar: | Do what I said earlier. Find out what package your distro puts THE KERNEL HEADERS into and install that package |
| [19:14:48] | gbee: | my AMD X2 3200+ manages broadcast h.264, but not as easily as I'd like, I'd recommend something in the 4xxx range |
| [19:15:24] | gbee: | usually a kernel-devel package |
| [19:15:30] | GreyFoxx: | GBEE: That CoreAVC stuffdomuch foryou? |
| [19:15:36] | GreyFoxx: | Works well for iamlindoro |
| [19:15:43] | GreyFoxx: | with his hdpvr output |
| [19:15:55] | sphery: | jwillis: Yeah, the package should install the appropriate kernel headers to /usr/include (and the appropriate ones may not be the ones from the kernel you're using) |
| [19:15:58] | ** dustybin waits for hardware acceleration ** | |
| [19:15:58] | gbee: | e.g. on Mandriva, kernel-desktop-devel, kernel-laptop-devel etc |
| [19:16:21] | dustybin: | xvmc h.264 decoding ftw |
| [19:16:28] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: You'll be a dusty bin indeed if you wait on hardware accel |
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| [19:16:39] | iamlindoro: | and xvmc will never be extended to h.264 |
| [19:16:46] | GreyFoxx: | dust: Likely be a whole new standard,not xvmc |
| [19:16:47] | dustybin: | oh |
| [19:16:52] | GreyFoxx: | vaapi most likely |
| [19:16:56] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I think hardware acceleration is a wonderful placebo. By the time we have it we don't need it. |
| [19:17:09] | Dagmar: | sphery: The appropriate ones are almost never going to be the ones from the currently running kernel |
| [19:17:15] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: plays back at least one channels output at 2x speed (or with Mythtv it does), honestly not too sure it's doing much better than ffmpeg did – but I've played with it much this last week |
| [19:17:16] | Dagmar: | Like, never ever. |
| [19:17:22] | iamlindoro: | sphery: exactly :) And, if people can swallow pride and pay for something that is actually worth the price, they can have it now :) |
| [19:17:44] | sphery: | Dagmar: Yep (on almost never--on my systems it always is for a short while) |
| [19:18:09] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: does mythtv need to be modified for different kinds of HD streams what might be used on it, ie. for BBC HD and ITV HD ? |
| [19:18:11] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: I mean 2x when it should be 1x ;) Probably more like 1.25, but it's faster than it should be |
| [19:18:42] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: AFAIK ITV HD is not working correctly because of their fuck-upedness, not MythTVs.. myth needs no patching for *correct* broadcasting |
| [19:18:59] | dustybin: | oh |
| [19:18:59] | |Torg|: | dustybin: my FE plays the BBC test treams, in mythvideo fine, even better with skiploopfilter But I dont have anything else to test with |
| [19:19:14] | gbee: | I can use timestretch at 0.75 (or whatever the lowest setting is) to get it looking more normal, but the sounds still not quite right |
| [19:20:01] | dustybin: | |Torg|: aye yes, thats good to know. ITV is another UK channel what has some HD but there seems to be problems |
| [19:20:23] | gbee: | dustybin: ITV HD can be recored with a patch, it can't be played back with ffmpeg though (unsupported interlacing mode), CoreAVC plays it but at the wrong speed |
| [19:20:29] | sphery: | gbee: I was quite worried about my X2 4800+ which finds 2x timestretch of MPEG-2 a challenge if you were getting 2x timestretch of H.264 on a 3800+ |
| [19:20:41] | dustybin: | gbee: aye ok |
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| [19:21:06] | dustybin: | it really is still far too early for UK people to delv into mythtv HD |
| [19:21:24] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: No it's not. |
| [19:21:26] | dustybin: | its ideal if you dont mind experimenting i guess |
| [19:21:53] | sphery: | I thought ideal would be after another ffmpeg resync or two... |
| [19:21:54] | iamlindoro: | Just because ITVHD needs some work, everything else is fine and there's plenty of other DVB-S material that records and plays fine. |
| [19:22:03] | dustybin: | ok |
| [19:22:15] | sphery: | (though I'm not saying now is a bad time) |
| [19:22:31] | dustybin: | what does resync mean? |
| [19:22:32] | ** gbee is stuck with Luxe HD ** | |
| [19:23:29] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: Myth uses libavcodec from ffmpeg for decoding/encoding of all formats... it is periodically re-imported from ffmpeg SVN. |
| [19:23:31] | sphery: | dustybin: just mean when the Myth devs update the ffmpeg version that Myth uses--which would mean in future versions (0.22, 0.23, ...) |
| [19:23:51] | dustybin: | i see |
| [19:24:22] | dustybin: | its a exciting at the moment :) |
| [19:24:30] | sphery: | iamlindoro gave a better description /and/ typed it faster... |
| [19:24:44] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [19:24:50] | dustybin: | one thing is for sure, i will need a LOT of storage for HD recordings, with my current setup, even if i did recieve HD, i wouldnt be able to record much |
| [19:24:52] | gbee: | heh, I abandoned my reply half way through as iamlindoro was there first ;) |
| [19:25:14] | gbee: | 500Gb is cheap these days |
| [19:25:21] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:25:33] | sphery: | I've seen 750GB HDD's for < $100 US |
| [19:26:04] | iamlindoro: | Heh, I am uploading HD-PVR samples in 1 megabit intervals from 6 to 13.5... the 6 Mbit 1080i sample will be a great example of why I will be leaving it cranked to 13.5 Mbit at all times |
| [19:26:05] | wagner: | sphery: yeah, ive got three, and they were all <$120 |
| [19:26:41] | dustybin: | gbee: at the moment my backend is also my frontend for my bedroom, but when i go HD, i will create a dedicated backend / storage box what is out the way, ill probably have aroud 4 TB of storage on it. Ill then make 2x HD frontends, 1 for my bedroom, 1 for living room |
| [19:26:47] | wagner: | how is the encoder? compared to a 2-pass x264 encode? |
| [19:26:58] | sphery: | Yeah, I have 3 but they were > $120 (2 @ $299 and 1 @ $199--I've had them for quite some time) |
| [19:27:08] | gbee: | HD-PVR is a box?!? |
| [19:27:19] | iamlindoro: | wagner: It's not even close to as good. It'll be necessary to turn the bitrate way up and re-encode if you want lower bitrate and have it be watchable |
| [19:27:22] | gbee: | I'd assumed all this time it was a card ... |
| [19:27:26] | iamlindoro: | gbee: yeah |
| [19:27:30] | Dagmar: | gbee: Nope, it's an external unit |
| [19:27:32] | wagner: | ive had one for about 6 months |
| [19:27:42] | Dagmar: | Smaller than a mac mini, but clearly envying the mac mini design |
| [19:27:49] | wagner: | i got another about 2 months ago as a mistaken replacement for a 320GB |
| [19:27:56] | wagner: | so i bought a third to go full raid5 |
| [19:28:02] | |Torg|: | HD-PVR is an extermal componet capture to USB that encodes h264 |
| [19:28:13] | gbee: | ugh, well guess I'm glad I don't need one – I'd rather something internal |
| [19:28:29] | sphery: | So, do people using USB-based capture cards find that they "lose" the USB connectin? |
| [19:28:35] | iamlindoro: | gbee: I guess if it's as popular as it appears it might be, there's a fair chance we might see one |
| [19:28:49] | sphery: | I've never found USB to be long-term reliable |
| [19:29:06] | EvilGuru: | iamlindoro: Is that a technical possibility? Size and power wise? |
| [19:29:27] | sphery: | size and power always decrease over time (in computers, at least) |
| [19:29:32] | iamlindoro: | EvilGuru: The card inside the unit could certainly be *very* slightly re-engineered into a longish PCI card |
| [19:29:33] | wagner: | gbee: here you go, internal. http://www.matrox.com/video/en/products/rtx2/ |
| [19:29:34] | gbee: | sphery: well the usb webcam in my laptop disappeared a while ago – but I don't think that's what you meant :) |
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| [19:29:44] | iamlindoro: | EvilGuru: heat/powerwise I am not sure, TBH |
| [19:30:07] | iamlindoro: | EvilGuru: I would think some judicious use of heatsinks ought to make it feaible heatwise... power I think *should* be doable |
| [19:30:12] | iamlindoro: | feasible |
| [19:30:18] | gbee: | wagner: :p |
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| [19:30:46] | sphery: | considering how hot their SDTV MPEG-2 encoders get, though, I'd assume the H.264 encoder is pretty hot, too, right? |
| [19:30:57] | gbee: | power comes from USB or an external power supply? |
| [19:31:01] | iamlindoro: | sphery: yeah, seems to get plenty warm |
| [19:31:09] | iamlindoro: | gbee: from an external |
| [19:31:28] | EvilGuru: | I doubt it is much compared to a graphics card |
| [19:31:32] | gbee: | ok, well it might be a while before we see internal cards then ;) |
| [19:31:32] | |Torg|: | yes current shipping has stopped presumably because of heat issues witht he units |
| [19:31:39] | EvilGuru: | but it would need to be happy in single-slot mode |
| [19:31:51] | iamlindoro: | The heat issues are not due to the chips themselves being prone to being hot, though |
| [19:31:59] | sphery: | |Torg|: wow, and it's not even an XBox 360... |
| [19:32:01] | iamlindoro: | They're due to incorrect voltage applied to said chips |
| [19:32:02] | wagner: | i dont see why you couldnt just get a PCI project board, void your warrenty, and make your own internal HD-PVR |
| [19:32:51] | wagner: | you could rig a transformer to the PCI slot for power, or just connect it straight to a molex cable |
| [19:33:20] | iamlindoro: | It wouldn't be any worse than what I've seen VFD manufacturers do :) |
| [19:33:26] | wagner: | of course it would still be USB connected |
| [19:33:46] | EvilGuru: | The Nova-T 500 does that (USB chip on the PCI card) |
| [19:33:48] | gbee: | well if I ever decide that it's value for money to pay Sky or Virgin for HD then maybe I'll have to get one, though I fully expect both companies might disable component output on their STBs in the future |
| [19:33:51] | iamlindoro: | Would actually be pretty cool to machine a little backplane on a HTPC case with adequate room somewhere |
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| [19:35:55] | sphery: | d'oh... GreyFoxx committed my patch from #5316, so I think I need to respin some other patches in Trac... |
| [19:36:58] | GreyFoxx: | If the changes are minorthe commiter can handle it :) |
| [19:37:19] | wagner: | if you really wanted to be a badass, you could open up an HD-Fury and colorspace converter and attach them inline to your PCI HD-PVR |
| [19:37:26] | EvilGuru: | A PCI/PCI-e HDPVR could be interesting though — probably just enough space for component + L/R RCA and TOSLINK |
| [19:37:28] | wagner: | HDCP compliant HDMI capture card |
| [19:38:30] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: Yeah. I tend to do it, anyway, just to make things easier for you all. (Oh, and it's really not a big deal, but when I was writing patches, I assumed that Daniel would apply patches in #5286 first.) |
| [19:38:45] | sphery: | so I just guessed wrong |
| [19:40:19] | EvilGuru: | Wonder if someone would be allowed to make an HDMI -> Component |
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| [19:41:21] | sphery: | EvilGuru: I'd guess that would have to have all the DRM built in. |
| [19:41:41] | wagner: | they make HDMI -> VGA, whats the difference |
| [19:41:50] | EvilGuru: | sphery: Currently I think it is possible (someone posted a method of getting to HDMI to component) |
| [19:41:59] | EvilGuru: | wagner: Simpler, so possibly cheaper |
| [19:42:05] | Dagmar: | A wholly different mechanism. |
| [19:48:30] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: BTW, thanks for getting that patch applied. Always nice to mark one off. Just wondering if you're also planning to do #5314 (Use GetSetting() to retrieve DBSchemaVer)--I can't remember if it has overlaps with others. |
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| [19:49:20] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: No need to do it now, but just figured knowing would prevent me from uploading an interim patch that's quickly obsoleted. |
| [19:49:46] | sphery: | (I'll admit #5314 is much more work since it needs to be applied to trunk and -fixes.) |
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| [19:52:10] | dustybin: | SDTV roughly records at 2.5 gigs per hour. HD mpeg-2 broadcast records roughly 7–8 gig per hour. what does h.264 broadcast roughly record at? |
| [19:53:07] | dustybin: | could we be looking at around 4–6 gigs per hour? |
| [19:53:50] | wagner: | well apparently its not worth recording at less than 13.5mbps |
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| [19:54:04] | wagner: | so ~6GB/hr |
| [19:54:18] | dustybin: | 6gb per hour |
| [19:54:35] | dustybin: | so just over double of SDTV |
| [19:54:37] | dustybin: | that isnt too bad! |
| [19:55:04] | wagner: | however you can transcode with (2 pass) x264 and possibly halve that at the same quality |
| [19:55:16] | dustybin: | ok |
| [19:55:25] | sphery: | Heh. I recorded SDTV at 1.15GiB/hr. |
| [19:55:28] | dustybin: | thats when one would use a slave backend? |
| [19:55:50] | dustybin: | sphery: it all depends on the broadcast |
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| [19:56:15] | dustybin: | 1 – BBC ONE Default 1 hr 2 mins 2.5 GB |
| [19:56:21] | dustybin: | ^^ sd |
| [19:56:22] | Ace2016: | what is SDTV encoded in for 1.15GB per hour? |
| [19:56:39] | dustybin: | mpeg? |
| [19:56:42] | sphery: | I used MPEG-2 (PVR-x50), but I didn't say it was good quality. |
| [19:56:46] | Ace2016: | why not use xvid? |
| [19:56:55] | wagner: | thats still 2.6mbit |
| [19:56:55] | dustybin: | o_0 |
| [19:57:09] | Ace2016: | is it possible to get it reencoded in the background? |
| [19:57:16] | Ace2016: | say on the second core of a dual core system? |
| [19:57:18] | dustybin: | aye |
| [19:57:18] | wagner: | ace2016: typical encoder cards output mpeg2 |
| [19:57:37] | sphery: | transcoding wasn't worth the processor time, IMHO. |
| [19:57:42] | sphery: | Storage is cheap. |
| [19:57:44] | dustybin: | Ace2016: you can set the backend up to transcode |
| [19:58:12] | Ace2016: | sphery: what about long term storage, i plan to keep all my seasons |
| [19:58:38] | wagner: | then go ahead and transcode |
| [19:58:41] | GreyFoxx: | Many people use muvexport to reencodeto xvid or such forpermanent storage |
| [19:58:44] | GreyFoxx: | nuvexport |
| [19:59:24] | wagner: | greyfoxx: isnt that only for framegrabbers? |
| [19:59:27] | Ace2016: | is it automatically encoded on adding to the archive? |
| [20:00:02] | wagner: | its automatically encoded when you tell it to transcode |
| [20:00:02] | GreyFoxx: | wag: no |
| [20:00:06] | wagner: | there is no real archive |
| [20:00:07] | GreyFoxx: | all recordings |
| [20:01:04] | Ace2016: | oh wait archive was in the optical menu |
| [20:01:17] | Ace2016: | although i have no idea what it does (i'm looking at the buttons file) |
| [20:01:27] | wagner: | thats for archiving to dvd/cd |
| [20:01:43] | Ace2016: | whats the difference between that and burning? |
| [20:01:51] | Ace2016: | oh i have to redo that icon |
| [20:02:11] | wagner: | i thought it actually mastered the disk and made a functional DVD |
| [20:02:17] | wagner: | rather than data |
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| [20:08:31] | dustybin: | i keep on having fantasies about a headless server what is hidden away in my attic what i only have ssh access too, i think that would so cool |
| [20:09:14] | Ace2016: | ... |
| [20:09:19] | wagner: | dustybin: ive got two in the basement, firewall duty |
| [20:09:25] | dustybin: | nice :-) |
| [20:09:36] | dustybin: | basement is much more ideal than a attic what could get hot over summer |
| [20:10:15] | wagner: | with the basement, ive got to clean out dust every so often |
| [20:10:18] | dustybin: | wagner: cisco firewall? or pfsense? |
| [20:10:59] | gbee: | my backend is headless and so was my firewall before that, but the firewall died and was replaced by a hardware firewall+router |
| [20:11:03] | wagner: | one is freebsd/pf/snort, the other is freebsd/dns/dhcp/vpn/asterisk/pf-failover |
| [20:11:11] | dustybin: | </social.enginnering> |
| [20:11:14] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [20:12:33] | dustybin: | wagner: how much leccy do you spend a month on all your servers what are on 24.7? |
| [20:12:34] | gbee: | in hindsight replacing a huge biege, power hungry box with a tiny low power dedicated firewall/router was a good move |
| [20:12:55] | wagner: | those two boxes together, plus my switches and ATA consume about 100W |
| [20:13:08] | dustybin: | that isnt too bad |
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| [20:13:49] | Varak_: | so I went and looked in the mailing list and I'm not seeing an answer --- I got myth sorta working last night and it recorded some shows and it says it recorded them, but they are on some autoexpire list and all but 2 are not showing up in the watch recorded crap section. some seem to be schedueld for jobs to remove commercials, how can i make those jobs happen, can i watch them somehow w/o removing the commericals now? |
| [20:13:55] | wagner: | local power costs, thats about $6/mo |
| [20:14:06] | dustybin: | wagner: thats cheap as chips |
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| [20:21:12] | dustybin: | |Torg| told me that if you have a case with about 7 hard drives inside it, the case could get hot and its worth buying a special hard drive cage with fans |
| [20:21:45] | dustybin: | i think something like this: http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1411.html |
| [20:21:59] | wagner: | it depends |
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| [20:22:12] | wagner: | a lot of cases have fans sitting in front of the hard drives already |
| [20:22:19] | ** stuarta quacks ** | |
| [20:22:46] | wagner: | my old case had a 120 in front of 5 bays, my current one has a 120 sitting behind 4 bays |
| [20:22:50] | sphery: | Ace2016: Yeah, I don't do permanent storage. If I want a show permanently, I buy the DVD (and get all the extras, plus good quality video with no commercials/weather overlays/bugs/"we interrupt our regularly-scheduled programming"/etc.). Besides, I'm pretty sure permanent storage goes beyond the fair-use provisions of the law in my area. |
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| [20:23:37] | sebrock_: | is it possible to see what is reading/writing to disc like 'top' on cpu usage? |
| [20:23:38] | sebrock_: | something is constantly nagging my disk and I dont know what |
| [20:24:01] | Ace2016: | find? |
| [20:24:17] | Ace2016: | check the ram usage, could be swap being accessed |
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| [20:24:37] | clever: | sebrock_: /proc/sys/vm/block_dump |
| [20:24:40] | clever: | echo a 1 into there |
| [20:24:50] | sebrock_: | got 1gb ram and disc is being used pretty constantly per 2 secs |
| [20:24:51] | |Torg|: | sebrock_: look up iostat, vmstat and mpstat |
| [20:24:51] | sphery: | sebrock_: lsof |
| [20:24:52] | clever: | now EVERY read/write do ANY disk is dumped to dmesg/syslog |
| [20:25:04] | clever: | now you can see access to files as they happen |
| [20:25:12] | sphery: | sebrock_: kind of the opposite--what something is reading/writing |
| [20:25:22] | clever: | i perfer to run it like this |
| [20:25:27] | sebrock_: | wait hold yer horses.... which one :D |
| [20:25:29] | clever: | cd /proc/sys/vm/ |
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| [20:25:42] | clever: | echo 1 > block_dump; sleep 30; echo 0 > block_dump |
| [20:26:21] | sebrock_: | ok thanks I'll be checking this |
| [20:26:32] | clever: | Jun 15 15:26:28 theP4 kernel: [5988693.359395] mysqld(23287): dirtied inode 24 (news.MYI) on dm-9 |
| [20:26:41] | clever: | Jun 15 15:26:36 theP4 kernel: [5988701.319815] kjournald(2244): WRITE block 228488 on sdb3 |
| [20:26:48] | Ace2016: | does dmesg have a limit? |
| [20:26:50] | clever: | tons spewing out:) |
| [20:26:52] | Tominator: | hi |
| [20:26:55] | Ace2016: | Hi |
| [20:26:55] | clever: | dmesg has a 8kb ring buffer |
| [20:27:09] | clever: | but the syslog will dump it to log files as fast as posible |
| [20:27:15] | clever: | and sometimes the fifo /dev/xconsole |
| [20:27:23] | dustybin: | this would make a lovely home server backend case |
| [20:27:26] | dustybin: | http://www.intel.com/design/servers/chassis/sc5299-e/index.htm |
| [20:27:39] | dustybin: | not too expensive either |
| [20:27:53] | Ace2016: | nope, just look at it |
| [20:28:19] | Ace2016: | up to two 5.25" and one 3.5" devices??? |
| [20:28:22] | dustybin: | im talking about a box what is hidden away but keeps things cool and does the job |
| [20:28:25] | Ace2016: | what use is that for a server? |
| [20:28:34] | dustybin: | 6 x 3.5" fixed hard drives bay |
| [20:28:55] | Tominator: | hi! |
| [20:29:04] | Ace2016: | Hi! |
| [20:29:13] | Ace2016: | Tominator: hi |
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| [20:30:06] | Ace2016: | but it uses intel xeon, isn't c2d better? |
| [20:30:13] | Tominator: | sorry.. forgot that I already said hello :D |
| [20:30:31] | iamlindoro: | Xeon are far better than C2d if they're of identical generation |
| [20:30:37] | clever: | c2d is damn fast compared to every other system i have |
| [20:30:49] | Tominator: | I've got a problem with mythfilldatabase: it aborts... I'm using tv_grab_de_prisma... that's the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/20453/ |
| [20:30:52] | clever: | even single threaded power when looking at the mhz only |
| [20:31:06] | Tominator: | does anybody know what the problem is? |
| [20:32:30] | cesman: | seems to me, it is missing a file |
| [20:32:57] | cesman: | also seems odd that it would look in /var/lib for .mythtv |
| [20:34:01] | cesman: | did you do as it sugested and run mythfilldatabase --configure? |
| [20:34:24] | stuarta: | |Torg|: i finished my bit of random documentation. |
| [20:34:34] | stuarta: | http://www.squashedfrog.net/article.php?story=20080615193047206 |
| [20:34:57] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/hdpvr/ if anyone wants to test HD-PVR output per-megabit from 6 to 13.5 Mbit |
| [20:35:24] | iamlindoro: | Don't expect pretties, it was captured from medium bitrate source... but it ought to be an okay test of your ability to play back at various bitrates |
| [20:36:02] | Tominator: | cesman: illegal option: '--configure' (use --help) |
| [20:36:35] | iamlindoro: | Tominator: ./tv_grab_de_prisma --configure may be what he meant |
| [20:36:46] | Tominator: | oh okay :D |
| [20:37:07] | Tominator: | i think mythtv-setup called that allready... but one sec |
| [20:37:29] | iamlindoro: | need to run it as whoemever runs mythfilldatabase |
| [20:37:56] | Tominator: | ah okay... that's the prob... i thnik :) |
| [20:38:03] | Ace2016: | what is a .ts file? |
| [20:38:13] | Ace2016: | i've never seen those before, can mplayer play them? |
| [20:38:15] | iamlindoro: | Ace2016: A transport stream |
| [20:38:17] | iamlindoro: | and yes |
| [20:38:43] | Ace2016: | my mplayer just hung while trying to play it, maybe i need to finish the download before trying to play it |
| [20:38:51] | Ace2016: | i hate it when i can't preview before downloading |
| [20:38:53] | iamlindoro: | Probably |
| [20:39:02] | iamlindoro: | It's also fairly likely your mplayer *can't* play it |
| [20:39:16] | iamlindoro: | Since the only thing I know of that plays them practically perfectly is MythTV's internal |
| [20:40:14] | ** EvilGuru wishes commercial flagging worked for film 4 ** | |
| [20:40:30] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: the only 1 im downloading is: hdpvr.13.5mbit.30sec.ts |
| [20:40:42] | Ace2016: | dustybin: why? |
| [20:41:00] | dustybin: | because that is the most taxxing for your computer? |
| [20:41:13] | Tominator: | the error still appears, iamlindoro and cesman |
| [20:41:40] | Tominator: | seemes like it has got the wrong folder or so... |
| [20:41:57] | iamlindoro: | Maybe... sadly, I know nothing about that particular grabber :( |
| [20:42:18] | Tominator: | welll Deutschland is the name of my video source... |
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| [20:42:38] | iamlindoro: | If you *can* figure out where it copies the file (command "locate Deutschland.xmltv") then you might be able to copy it to ~/.mythtv/ |
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| [20:43:05] | iamlindoro: | erm, rather, copy it to /var/lib/mythtv/.mythtv/Deutschland.xmltv |
| [20:43:09] | Tominator: | oh i think it is because I ran myth-setup as the wrong user |
| [20:43:17] | Tominator: | its in my home... |
| [20:43:31] | iamlindoro: | yes, it is very likely because of that |
| [20:43:57] | Tominator: | will the same file appear in the folder if I run myth-setup as mythtv? |
| [20:44:22] | Tominator: | I'll simply try :) |
| [20:44:56] | Ace2016: | mplayer is just hanging, very strange, lets see what the terminal says |
| [20:44:56] | sebrock_: | clever, its mainly syslogd thats going crazy |
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| [20:46:00] | iamlindoro: | Ace2016: As I said, mplayer *can't* play these |
| [20:46:00] | Ace2016: | MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_video .- MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM. |
| [20:46:06] | iamlindoro: | Use Myth Internal |
| [20:46:10] | Ace2016: | oh |
| [20:46:40] | iamlindoro: | And someone upload one of these samples to the mplayer sample website and post to the users list while you're at it :) |
| [20:46:51] | iamlindoro: | the mplayer users list, not the myth one, that is |
| [20:47:36] | Ace2016: | why did you use .ts? |
| [20:47:58] | GreyFoxx: | it's thestandard namefor an mpegts stream |
| [20:48:01] | iamlindoro: | Ace2016: Because that is the format that comes out of the HD-PVR, dude, an MPEG-2 Transport Stream |
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| [20:49:16] | gbee: | not AVC? |
| [20:49:20] | Ace2016: | aww man i can't even play the 6mbit version on my laptop :( |
| [20:49:29] | Ace2016: | ffplay plays it but its slow |
| [20:49:32] | iamlindoro: | gbee: AVC video codec, AAC audio, m2ts container |
| [20:49:40] | iamlindoro: | Ace2016: Myth. TV. Player. |
| [20:49:42] | iamlindoro: | ffs |
| [20:49:47] | gbee: | ahh |
| [20:49:57] | iamlindoro: | ffplay plays things intolerably on my system that plays them fine on myth internal |
| [20:50:08] | gbee: | right, sorry, wasn't really paying attention there .... :) |
| [20:50:20] | abarbaccia: | whats the status of myth-internal player and h.264 |
| [20:50:22] | abarbaccia: | 246 |
| [20:50:33] | iamlindoro: | h.264, plays them fine |
| [20:50:41] | abarbaccia: | skipping? |
| [20:50:43] | iamlindoro: | as evidenced by these samples playing :) |
| [20:50:53] | iamlindoro: | abarbaccia: that depends on your system/setup :) |
| [20:50:53] | Ace2016: | so where do i copy it to for mythtv to play them? |
| [20:50:56] | gbee: | abarbaccia: depends on CPU |
| [20:50:59] | abarbaccia: | can you seek in the recording, etc |
| [20:51:01] | abarbaccia: | o |
| [20:51:06] | abarbaccia: | amd 5200+ |
| [20:51:09] | abarbaccia: | dual core |
| [20:51:11] | abarbaccia: | 2g ram |
| [20:51:16] | gbee: | abarbaccia: yeah, no problem |
| [20:51:21] | iamlindoro: | Ace2016: Put them in Mythvideo, or import them to your recordings |
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| [20:51:26] | abarbaccia: | that makes me happy |
| [20:51:32] | abarbaccia: | thanks team |
| [20:51:35] | gbee: | my AMD x2 3200+ manages just fine |
| [20:51:45] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Have you played any of these samples yet? |
| [20:51:47] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: could it be possible that stuff might be recorded higher than 13.5mbit? |
| [20:51:49] | gbee: | well that's overstating it a little |
| [20:51:52] | abarbaccia: | how does graphics card play into this? |
| [20:51:58] | gbee: | iamlindoro: no |
| [20:52:02] | iamlindoro: | abarbaccia: For h.264 material, it doesn't |
| [20:52:05] | gbee: | abarbaccia: not at all |
| [20:52:15] | abarbaccia: | how come? |
| [20:52:24] | dustybin: | abarbaccia: it does on winbl0wz |
| [20:52:32] | iamlindoro: | gbee: They're single sliced :( So you may want to play... my machine that plays raw blu ray stuff with ease choked on these... needed skiploop to play tolerably, CoreAVC to play well |
| [20:52:36] | abarbaccia: | is it because our drivers aren't good enough |
| [20:52:44] | iamlindoro: | abarbaccia: Because linux has no hardware h.264 offload |
| [20:52:45] | Dagmar: | It's because of lawyers. |
| [20:52:52] | abarbaccia: | damn them lawyers |
| [20:53:26] | abarbaccia: | even with the closed nvidia and fglrx drivers |
| [20:53:26] | Ace2016: | are there any motherboards with h264 decoders built in? i head some via chipsets have it |
| [20:53:27] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: On VBR the driver has a max_bitrate setting, which goes up to 20.2 Mbit... have no played with that to see if it actually *does* cross the 13.5 Mbit range yet, though |
| [20:53:39] | iamlindoro: | Ace2016: Not for linux |
| [20:53:41] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [20:53:48] | iamlindoro: | Ace2016: and the VIA you are thinking of is not h.264 decode |
| [20:53:53] | Dagmar: | I'll make it simple |
| [20:53:54] | iamlindoro: | it's divx |
| [20:53:54] | Ace2016: | really? wonder why |
| [20:53:58] | iamlindoro: | the crap MPEG-4 |
| [20:53:58] | gbee: | iamlindoro: ok, ffmpeg might struggle then – already playing around with CoreAVC though, but even then I think it could be underpowered |
| [20:54:02] | Dagmar: | YOU WILL NOT GET HARDWARE ACCELLERATED X624 UNDER LINUX. |
| [20:54:13] | Ace2016: | WHY? |
| [20:54:24] | abarbaccia: | i don't want x624, i want h.246 |
| [20:54:24] | Ace2016: | lets get rid of caps oK? |
| [20:54:28] | abarbaccia: | ;-) |
| [20:54:28] | Dagmar: | BECAUSE GOD HATES U. |
| [20:54:46] | dustybin: | abarbaccia: are you related to clever? |
| [20:54:56] | abarbaccia: | haha |
| [20:54:58] | Dagmar: | When I see essentially the same question being asked over and over, it's obvious that something drastic is in order |
| [20:55:01] | clever: | dustybin: i dont have a brother or sister:P |
| [20:55:06] | dustybin: | hehe |
| [20:55:10] | Dagmar: | You won't get a "yes" by restating the question slightly. |
| [20:55:29] | dustybin: | clever: what kind of stuff have you been up to lately? |
| [20:55:34] | iamlindoro: | abarbaccia: You might want to google "h.246" before you make jokes |
| [20:55:48] | iamlindoro: | since there is no codec called h.246 ;) |
| [20:55:50] | gbee: | clever: that was carefully worded ... a cousin? |
| [20:55:51] | clever: | dustybin: 2 week vacation |
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| [20:55:56] | abarbaccia: | damn. i knew that was gonna happen...hahah |
| [20:55:59] | iamlindoro: | well, not a relevant one |
| [20:56:04] | Ace2016: | What if linux was run on top of windows, then could you get h264 to work ;) |
| [20:56:08] | clever: | ive been deleting most of my recordings and keeping just a few |
| [20:56:16] | iamlindoro: | Ace2016: The fuck you could |
| [20:56:37] | ** gbee realises that he could be doing something productive instead ** | |
| [20:56:42] | Ace2016: | i was just rephrasing the question for Dagmar |
| [20:56:46] | dustybin: | clever: do you have any projects or plans with software or hardware? |
| [20:56:54] | ** Ace2016 realised a while ago, but ignored the urge ** | |
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| [20:57:25] | clever: | dustybin: im working on some dht software atm out of bordem |
| [20:57:36] | dustybin: | dht? whats that? |
| [20:57:54] | clever: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table |
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| [20:58:11] | iamlindoro: | Your mom's a Distributed Hash Table |
| [20:58:17] | clever: | its basicaly a p2p based hash table |
| [20:58:26] | dustybin: | interesting |
| [20:58:33] | clever: | key=valye based pairs are stored on multiple nodes |
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| [20:58:54] | clever: | azureus uses the infohash as a key to lookup extra peers when a tracker is down |
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| [20:58:59] | dustybin: | clever: will you link this to the myth frontend too at some point? |
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| [20:59:07] | clever: | dustybin: dont have plans to:P |
| [20:59:11] | dustybin: | :P |
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| [20:59:23] | Dagmar: | Smart man |
| [20:59:25] | Ace2016: | ok back, crashed |
| [20:59:33] | clever: | not much in myth can be spread arround without major reworking |
| [20:59:34] | Dagmar: | MythTV + P2P == gratuitous lawsuit |
| [20:59:40] | clever: | that too |
| [21:00:36] | clever: | right now all the code does is simulate 200 nodes in a single process |
| [21:00:37] | Ace2016: | MythTV + "Peer to peer network streaming" would be better |
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| [21:00:48] | Dagmar: | Yes, it would make it much easier to sue |
| [21:00:57] | clever: | it doesnt even touch the network right now |
| [21:01:14] | Ace2016: | it doesn't show youtube videos? |
| [21:01:31] | clever: | all 200 'peers' are in a single process on 1 computer:P |
| [21:02:42] | clever: | and QThread has trouble with more then 200 threads |
| [21:03:03] | GreyFoxx: | ace: Nothing specifically forthat sort ofthing |
| [21:03:14] | GreyFoxx: | though Iimagine with mythbrowser you could navigatetheyoutube page |
| [21:03:17] | clever: | it also seems to open many pipes for each thread |
| [21:03:21] | GreyFoxx: | but I'm never installed mythbrowser |
| [21:03:27] | clever: | had to inflate the ulimit -n just to get it runing more |
| [21:03:43] | clever: | ive played some youtube stuff thru mythnews i think |
| [21:03:53] | clever: | but i havent used it much |
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| [21:04:28] | Ace2016: | myth has a browser? |
| [21:04:35] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [21:04:37] | clever: | yes, based on the kde one |
| [21:04:57] | clever: | konq allready has special key combos to click links without a mouse |
| [21:04:58] | sphery: | Ace2016: This is /not/ really MythTV, but: http://sourceforge.net/projects/heliocreek/ |
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| [21:05:03] | Ace2016: | with flash support? a proper browser? is it konqueror? |
| [21:05:15] | Dagmar: | It is knoq |
| [21:05:27] | clever: | Ace2016: it uses konq for some stuff, but the youtube one extracts the video and plays it outside the flash |
| [21:05:41] | Ace2016: | thats nice |
| [21:05:51] | clever: | it also wont play until the entire vid is downloaded |
| [21:05:58] | clever: | so it cant start asap like the flash player |
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| [21:07:18] | sphery: | Ace2016: And I guess I should definitely refer you to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/300192#300192 thread for the discussion |
| [21:07:18] | Ace2016: | why? mplayer can play partially downloaded fla files, is it because of what would happen if the player got to the end of the file? |
| [21:07:18] | Ace2016: | before the download finishes? |
| [21:07:18] | dustybin: | in mythtv playback profiles, ive noticed it says Max CPUs next to the decoder, if your using a quadcore, could you set that to 4, and will mythtv evenly use the 4 cores? |
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| [21:07:21] | clever: | it isnt writen to do that yet |
| [21:07:27] | clever: | Ace2016: go open the code and fix it:P |
| [21:07:38] | metalac: | hey guys, ever since upgrading to 0.21 my tv guide is HORRIBLY slow |
| [21:07:39] | ** sphery has a feeling the "/not/ ... MythTV" part kept Ace2016 from looking at heliocreek ** | |
| [21:07:44] | clever: | dustybin: i beleive thats the number of threads to use for 264 |
| [21:07:52] | metalac: | takes it like 30 seconds to respond to button presses, any idea what's up? |
| [21:08:13] | Ace2016: | i looked at heliocreek, looks nice |
| [21:08:13] | clever: | metalac: scrolling down or anything? |
| [21:08:13] | Ace2016: | dull theme though |
| [21:08:13] | metalac: | I got a fast machine too, and with 0.20 everything was fine |
| [21:08:29] | sphery: | Ace2016: Change your playback profile group to Slim |
| [21:08:30] | Ace2016: | brb |
| [21:08:34] | sphery: | metalac: ^^^ |
| [21:08:34] | metalac: | clever: everything, starting, scrolling, channel changing, etc |
| [21:08:37] | clever: | metalac: i have problem scrolling down but going back up is faster because its cached the guide data |
| [21:08:41] | sphery: | metalac: Change your playback profile group to Slim |
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| [21:08:58] | clever: | metalac: my problem was fragmentation in the program table in mysql |
| [21:09:10] | sphery: | metalac's problem isn't... |
| [21:09:23] | sphery: | metalac's problem is his playback profiles |
| [21:09:44] | clever: | :S |
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| [21:11:13] | metalac: | so i changed to slim and starting works fine and scrolling works fast, but channel change is still slow, by this i mean if I push 13 to change to channel 13, it takes forever for it to recognized that i pressed those buttons |
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| [21:11:32] | iamlindoro: | metalac: Are you using your STB remote |
| [21:11:32] | iamlindoro: | ? |
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| [21:11:39] | iamlindoro: | and changing channels directly on the STB? |
| [21:11:59] | metalac: | iamlindoro: no, it's the remote for frontend |
| [21:12:11] | iamlindoro: | Ah |
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| [21:12:51] | metalac: | well all of a sudden scrolling doesn't work fast anymore |
| [21:12:56] | metalac: | how can i check if it's a db problem? |
| [21:13:03] | sphery: | metalac: that sounds like a LIRC problem or something. Do button presses register quickly elsewhere in Myth? |
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| [21:13:18] | metalac: | sphery: yep, remote works fine elsewhere |
| [21:13:20] | sphery: | metalac: run optimize_mythdb.pl from the contrib directory |
| [21:13:37] | metalac: | and program guide works fine once i'm out of Live TV |
| [21:13:47] | sphery: | you should actually run that relatively frequently--I have it in a daily cron |
| [21:14:07] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Speaking of scripts, how are the DB ones coming along? |
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| [21:14:28] | iamlindoro: | I seldom move mine but seems like the next time I need to it would be a great tool |
| [21:14:50] | sphery: | metalac: it sounds like you're still using Bob for deinterlacing. If you are using the (default configuration of the) Slim playback profile group, you shouldn't be using Bob. |
| [21:14:50] | sphery: | iamlindoro: |
| [21:14:50] | sphery: | ooops |
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| [21:15:18] | sphery: | iamlindoro: They're in really good shape. Previews at: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/database_ . . . rg_backup.pl and http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/database_ . . . g_restore.pl |
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| [21:15:46] | iamlindoro: | !trout Freenode netsplit |
| [21:15:46] | ** MythLogBot slaps Freenode with a netsplit trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
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| [21:16:08] | iamlindoro: | Gah! The bot asplode |
| [21:16:19] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I'm going to modify the restore to support change-of-hostname (perhaps this week), then modify restore to be more verbose and interactive (and optionally create the backup/restore resource file). |
| [21:16:23] | metalac: | sphery: it says it's using linear blend or one field |
| [21:16:29] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Very cool |
| [21:16:46] | dustybin: | when a netsplit happens, does that mean a server has gone down and another has been activated as a fallback? |
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| [21:17:06] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: No, it means they are split until they reconnect to one another |
| [21:17:26] | sphery: | Other than that, the only thing I was considering was a "partial" restore on a per-plugin basis (i.e. you want to do a new-hardware restore (#23.7), but don't want to lose your plugin data). |
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| [21:17:35] | dustybin: | ok |
| [21:17:36] | cesman: | dustybin: it means they've changed the program ;) |
| [21:17:42] | iamlindoro: | sphery: That would definitely be a great feature |
| [21:18:07] | stoneymonster: | woohoo! got hdpvr to play back using internal, finally. stupid aac libraries |
| [21:18:10] | sphery: | unforunately, I haven't figured out a good way to determine which tables belong with which plugin (especially in a DB-schema-version-independent way) |
| [21:18:16] | ** iamlindoro interlaces, deinterlaces, and interlaces again. Then he puts on black glasses and straightens his tie ** | |
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| [21:18:45] | Varak_: | why is it that my drive is filling up, and it shows it recording crap, but only live tv recordings show up as being watchable — none of the scheduled stuff |
| [21:18:50] | Varak_: | why? |
| [21:19:02] | sphery: | metalac: and you checked the interlacer with all the profiles in the selected profile group? |
| [21:19:18] | metalac: | sphery: ya |
| [21:19:31] | metalac: | there are 4 and 2 are linear blend and 2 are one field |
| [21:19:35] | sphery: | Varak_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . ecordings.3F |
| [21:19:54] | Varak_: | wow thnks |
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| [21:20:45] | sphery: | metalac: then I don't know what would cause it. It has all the symptoms of the Bob-doesn't-work-with-LiveTV-Program-Guide, but you say that you're not using Bob. |
| [21:21:21] | metalac: | yeah no idea, it's just annoying :) |
| [21:21:40] | sphery: | I can tell you that the proper fix is to just never use LiveTV. |
| [21:21:46] | sphery: | :D |
| [21:21:58] | iamlindoro: | Woohoo, seconded! |
| [21:22:17] | sphery: | I like to say, LiveTV = Waste-Your-Life-TV |
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| [21:23:03] | Varak_: | thank you sphery, that fixed the problem :) |
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| [21:26:22] | sphery: | Varak_: glad it's working |
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| [21:35:48] | EvilGuru: | Does anyone have any samples from the HD PVR available for download/ |
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| [21:37:23] | iamlindoro: | EvilGuru: I made samples per-megabit interval |
| [21:37:29] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/hdpvr/ |
| [21:37:35] | iamlindoro: | be gentle, download only what you need |
| [21:39:13] | iamlindoro: | I am uploading the original for visual comparison, but that is still a long ways off |
| [21:39:20] | iamlindoro: | 3 hours or so |
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| [22:04:27] | dustybin: | freenode is being hacked: |
| [22:04:29] | dustybin: | 22:48 [Freenode] -dmwaters(i=dmwaters@freenode/staff/gentoo.dmwaters)- {global notice} Good day folks, We apologize for the stability issues at the moment, it appears that we have a kiddie who wants to play some rather nasty games. I thank you for your patience, and thank you for using freenode! |
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| [22:06:30] | cesman: | dustybin: that message when out to everyone |
| [22:06:37] | dustybin: | ok |
| [22:06:48] | ** cesman would think a hacker is different from a kiddie ;) ** | |
| [22:06:51] | dustybin: | are they suffering the effects from a DoS attack? |
| [22:07:08] | cesman: | dustybin: I don't know the particulars |
| [22:07:40] | dustybin: | ive never known a whole big irc network getting attacked before |
| [22:09:54] | dustybin: | they people in freenode said the servers are being packeted |
| [22:10:27] | dustybin: | why freenode? surely they should of made it worth while and done undernet :P |
| [22:10:39] | GreyFoxx: | Its not uncommon toattach an entire network |
| [22:10:48] | psofa__: | anyone knows if thats coreavc or mythfrontend in my logs? 2008-06–16 01:10:14.895 GetNextFreeFrame() served a busy frame M. Dropping. (au)(au)(au)(au)(au)(au)(au)(au)(au)(au)(au)(au)(au)(au)(au)(au)(au)(au)(au)(au) (au)(au)(au)(au)(au)(au)(au)(au)(au)(au)(au) |
| [22:10:58] | GreyFoxx: | andits just loosers who have only this in their life tomakethem feel powerful |
| [22:11:23] | dustybin: | aye |
| [22:11:33] | iamlindoro: | psofa__: It's your box going "Ow! Ow! Ow! Stop hurting me!" |
| [22:11:46] | iamlindoro: | and it's directshow server I beleive |
| [22:11:57] | iamlindoro: | (ie CoreAVC) |
| [22:12:09] | psofa__: | the frontend actually rapes the cpu :P |
| [22:12:28] | psofa__: | it would be fun if its just logging io raping |
| [22:17:10] | psofa__: | iamlindoro, http://code.google.com/p/coreavc-for-linux/so . . . server.patch |
| [22:17:24] | iamlindoro: | psofa__: So? |
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| [22:17:36] | psofa__: | i cant see any print there that would match |
| [22:18:04] | iamlindoro: | psofa__: That patch only patches existing code |
| [22:18:15] | iamlindoro: | code which is never used in normal myth |
| [22:18:37] | iamlindoro: | I mean, avformatdecoder is user, but the directshow stuff isn't |
| [22:19:59] | iamlindoro: | ie it's myth code, but the error message *appears* to be related to the interaction between myth and CoreAVC |
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| [22:29:04] | fmatthew5876: | is there any way to skip/mute/down volume commercials while watching livetv? |
| [22:29:13] | iamlindoro: | no |
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| [22:34:50] | iamlindoro: | Hahaha |
| [22:34:56] | iamlindoro: | whoops, wrong channel :) |
| [22:37:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | fmatthew5876: Sure there is, push the "Mute" button on your remote control. ;-) |
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| [22:38:41] | fmatthew5876: | i forgot to specify that i was looking for something built in that works automagicly |
| [22:39:25] | iamlindoro: | Then you are doooooooomed |
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| [22:44:47] | iamlindoro: | "Thanks for the answer and sense of humor, it's too bad what I wanted wasn't possible." |
| [22:44:52] | iamlindoro: | There, fixed that for him. |
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| [22:54:29] | cesman: | pity he left as I did have a real answer |
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| [22:55:26] | iamlindoro: | cesman: Real answers aside, it doesn't become any more possible :) |
| [22:55:37] | abarbaccia: | so when i use the default (vesa?) drivers, hdmi works, but when i switch to fglrx, it doesn't... any advice? |
| [22:57:24] | cesman: | iamlindoro: one of my users has reported success in maintaining a level volume |
| [22:58:02] | iamlindoro: | cesman: I don't understand... he wants it to detect commercials and turn the volume off when it does, in liveTV... one of your users has done that? |
| [22:58:55] | cesman: | iamlindoro: as you are aware, sometimes when a commercial comes on the volume increases dramatically from what the program you wre watching |
| [22:59:06] | cesman: | this can be VERY annoying |
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| [22:59:26] | cesman: | iamlindoro: yes, one of my users has found a working solution for this using ALSA |
| [22:59:31] | Ra^: | BILLY MAYS HERE WITH ANOTHER AMAZING PRODUCT FROM..... |
| [22:59:34] | iamlindoro: | cesman: But that's not what he wanted, was it? I think he wanted it turned off, or the commercials to be somehow skipped on livetv |
| [22:59:43] | cesman: | iamlindoro |
| [23:00:00] | cesman: | iamlindoro: that is what I understood his problem to be |
| [23:00:05] | GreyFoxx: | basically hes lookingfor volume normalization |
| [23:00:12] | cesman: | right |
| [23:00:14] | GreyFoxx: | I'd lovetoseesomething forthat |
| [23:00:23] | GreyFoxx: | Just like switching from DVD's torecordings |
| [23:00:24] | iamlindoro: | "fmatthew5876: is there any way to skip/mute/down volume commercials while watching livetv?" |
| [23:00:28] | cesman: | let me find the link |
| [23:00:33] | iamlindoro: | ^^ That doesn't sound like a request for normalization at all |
| [23:00:43] | cesman: | down volume is what I keyed off of |
| [23:00:48] | Ra^: | Why? You guys don't like the Oxyclean commercials? hehe |
| [23:00:56] | cesman: | all depends on how you read it |
| [23:01:14] | cesman: | some folks don't know how to write what it is they want |
| [23:01:59] | abarbaccia: | anyone have a clue about my HDMI issues?? |
| [23:03:02] | iamlindoro: | abarbaccia: I would presume you need to set your xorg.conf properly for the proprietary driver, but few of us use ATI, and fewer still use HDMI on ATI |
| [23:04:25] | jpabq: | gbee uses hdmi with his on-board ATI video, but I am sure he is asleep. |
| [23:06:12] | cesman: | GreyFoxx: http://knoppmyth.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=18346 |
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| [23:07:31] | GreyFoxx: | sweet I'll have to try that |
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| [23:10:13] | gizmobay: | I wonder if this would work across the whole system so if you have one tv card with a higher audio input/volume level it would normalize this to match the other tuner card. |
| [23:10:53] | GreyFoxx: | giz: I have 1 card louder than my others, and Ijust have myth settouse a lower volume on that card when recording |
| [23:11:06] | cesman: | gizmobay: it woud work across the system |
| [23:11:10] | GreyFoxx: | if you have a framegrabber orpvr card you can set the recording volume |
| [23:12:02] | gizmobay: | I do that as well but the problem is when you play music. This isn't effected by the tuner card input thus it gets loud |
| [23:13:22] | cesman: | gizmobay: read the entire thread |
| [23:13:41] | cesman: | the fella ran across that and solved it as well |
| [23:15:29] | gizmobay: | yes, I was mostly commenting on the other solution — i.e., adjusting the tuner volume isn't an ideal solution. I'm going to try the one in your link. |
| [23:15:47] | gizmobay: | since that'll solve both issues |
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| [23:20:18] | gizmobay: | I'm using Fedora 8. I take it I need to edit the .asoundrc file |
| [23:20:40] | gizmobay: | since I don't have an asound.conf |
| [23:24:57] | ** Beirdo does the "I finally have a job" dance :) ** | |
| [23:25:34] | cesman: | Beirdo: congrats! |
| [23:25:54] | Beirdo: | Start Jun 30 |
| [23:25:54] | cesman: | gizmobay: couldn't tell you anything about Fedora |
| [23:26:10] | Beirdo: | which means... gputrans may get resurrected soon :) |
| [23:26:37] | cesman: | gputrans...why does that sound familiar? |
| [23:26:42] | Beirdo: | I haven't had time for it as I've been working on rentacoder projects to make some $$$ |
| [23:26:51] | Beirdo: | with a full-time job, I'll have play time again |
| [23:27:06] | Beirdo: | so I'll see if I can't get somewhere on it :) |
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| [23:31:11] | cesman: | good luck! |
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