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| [00:01:57] | netpro25: | anyone know? |
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| [00:03:28] | dmz: | know what? |
| [00:05:55] | clever: | netpro25: hit the report link |
| [00:06:47] | netpro25: | on sd? |
| [00:06:59] | netpro25: | got it |
| [00:07:00] | netpro25: | thanks |
| [00:07:44] | netpro25: | damn HD on here looks sweet! |
| [00:09:09] | dmz: | HD? |
| [00:09:17] | netpro25: | High Definition |
| [00:09:18] | dmz: | what interface? |
| [00:09:35] | netpro25: | $50 hauppauge wintv 1250 |
| [00:14:15] | netpro25: | clever: whats the probe for when you hit e |
| [00:14:19] | netpro25: | ? |
| [00:14:33] | clever: | ? |
| [00:15:04] | netpro25: | anyone? |
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| [00:30:04] | iamlindoro: | netpro25: Ask questions that make sense, in english, and maybe you'll get answers |
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| [00:32:37] | netpro25: | iamlindoro: okay |
| [00:35:02] | netpro25: | after i update the xml id using the e key while watching tv, how can I force an update of the program information? eg. schedules direct. |
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| [00:38:33] | iamlindoro: | by running mythfilldatabase --refresh-all |
| [00:47:52] | dmz: | wait a $50 device that does HD? |
| [00:48:56] | dmz: | how many cable channels does it support (i'm tired of not getting the high channels with my pvr500 (kids shows are on 141 and i can't record it for them :( |
| [00:51:10] | iamlindoro: | you'll get far far fewer channels with a digital tuner than an analog one, if you're in the USA :) |
| [00:51:23] | iamlindoro: | since you can only tune unencrypted channels... which is generally network T |
| [00:51:25] | iamlindoro: | TV |
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| [00:57:08] | fbnts: | hi all, I have just bought a WinTV nova-t-500 for use with MythTV but am stuggling to setup the backend to use the two tuners |
| [00:58:02] | fbnts: | I presume I've gotta set it to mpeg-2 decoder card but not sure what to set the device path to? |
| [00:59:13] | iamlindoro: | No. And you should read closer, the card you're referring to is MPEG-2 *encoder* type. :) It's a DVB card. |
| [00:59:38] | iamlindoro: | And if your card is set up properly in linux, it should autodetect. |
| [00:59:51] | iamlindoro: | (The DVB device #) |
| [00:59:57] | fbnts: | its working fine with xine and mplayer |
| [01:00:22] | iamlindoro: | fbnts: So set it up properly in myth (ie as the right card type) and it'll work there too |
| [01:00:59] | fbnts: | if I do tzap -r "BBC ONE" |
| [01:01:00] | iamlindoro: | Nova-T is a DVB-T card... Hmm, wonder what the card type could be? |
| [01:01:08] | fbnts: | then dvbstream -o -ps 600 601 -qam 16 -cr 3_4 | mplayer - |
| [01:01:09] | iamlindoro: | Could it be... DVB??!??? |
| [01:01:16] | iamlindoro: | fbnts: Irrelevant. |
| [01:01:21] | fbnts: | it shows fine in the window |
| [01:01:28] | iamlindoro: | oh fuck this |
| [01:01:38] | iamlindoro: | SET IT UP AS THE RIGHT CARD TYPE (DVB) AND IT WILL WORK FINE |
| [01:02:22] | iamlindoro: | I refuse to repeat that a third time |
| [01:02:40] | iamlindoro: | Er.. fourth time |
| [01:02:52] | cafuego: | And set up index #1 as well, so both tuners work. |
| [01:03:12] | iamlindoro: | ^^ Indeed |
| [01:03:12] | cafuego: | fbnts: So, DVB-T type, card 0 and card 1. |
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| [01:05:04] | cafuego: | fbnts: And THEN tell me if it works ok, in which case I may need to go and buy one. |
| [01:05:23] | fbnts: | oh sorry – I have been looking at a howto for ages and it refers to digital Win TV cards as MPEG-2 cards that I didn't even notice the option for DVB |
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| [01:05:34] | fbnts: | just gonna check it out now |
| [01:07:45] | justinh: | and guess what – a dual tuner card needs to be added as (wait for it).. TWO individual tuners!!!!!!!!!! |
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| [01:13:18] | fbnts: | thanks for your help, and sorry for sounding stupid – looking back in the conversation it makes sense, and I can see how I may have annoyed you! |
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| [01:20:53] | ** iamlindoro needs to use smaller words and shorter sentences in here ** | |
| [01:21:08] | iamlindoro: | and MOAR CAPS |
| [01:21:54] | iamlindoro: | Holy crap |
| [01:22:16] | iamlindoro: | This, from my law enforcement mailing list: "I have a question about the backgrounds and polygraph test, i read that they ask questions about bestyality . . . Tough subject.... what if as a child you heard on the tv about this act and decided to try it out? after relizing later in life that it was wrong? Would they still DQ you?" |
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| [01:36:52] | wagner: | anyone ever come across a problem where mplayer will not seek in a file because it is too large? |
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| [01:50:47] | bsdfox_: | wagner: I've played 8gb files with mplayer just fine |
| [01:51:22] | wagner: | they play just fine, but i cant seek |
| [01:51:48] | wagner: | the remote wasnt working, so i tried it manually from the command line |
| [01:51:49] | iamlindoro: | I've played 30 GB files that seek ok |
| [01:52:00] | wagner: | and get a 'Cannot seek in this file.' |
| [01:52:15] | wagner: | ive found some reference to a bug in mingw and cygwin, but nothing in linux |
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| [01:53:17] | wagner: | to the mplayer mailing lists! |
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| [02:00:38] | justinh: | aaaaaaaaand that's another hour's worth of wav recorded |
| [02:01:45] | justinh: | to think I'm only doing this to avoid downloading illegal crappy bitrate mp3 files |
| [02:02:08] | mkrufky: | you're making your own "backups" ? |
| [02:02:30] | wagner: | one can claim that you already own the content and its lawful to acquire a backup copy from elsewhere |
| [02:02:35] | justinh: | no, it's about making a record collection portable |
| [02:02:39] | Dagmar: | wagner: What filesystem was that file on tho' |
| [02:02:41] | mkrufky: | niiice |
| [02:02:53] | wagner: | the file is on UFS, over NFS |
| [02:03:03] | Dagmar: | Ther'es still some nooks and crannies out there where the 2Gb limit can tank seek() |
| [02:03:16] | wagner: | it has worked just fine on UFS, over Samba, on windows |
| [02:03:20] | justinh: | portable as in, CBA to carry 400 12" singles around |
| [02:03:37] | wagner: | i can mount the drive on my laptop and see if it works |
| [02:04:07] | Dagmar: | I get hits in google for 2gb limit for NFS when using the userspace NFS |
| [02:04:31] | Dagmar: | The kernel-space NFS server doesn't apparently suffer from it |
| [02:04:44] | wagner: | this is the kernel space nfs |
| [02:04:50] | wagner: | and actually, i was mistaken |
| [02:04:57] | wagner: | its connected over samba |
| [02:05:08] | Dagmar: | NFS v2 apparently also has it. Note point 3 om this page: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/VALinux-kb/2gb-filesize-limit.html |
| [02:05:12] | wagner: | so i dont have to deal with symlinks |
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| [02:06:06] | Dagmar: | smbfs <-- listed as problematic. |
| [02:06:16] | Dagmar: | Might want to switch to CIFS if it happens again |
| [02:06:47] | wagner: | oddly, i dont seem to have nfs on my laptop |
| [02:06:55] | justinh: | anyway I don't have time to listen to every track – don't wanna be playing something out & then find it's fecked in the middle – as might happen with other people's rips |
| [02:09:12] | Dagmar: | It's definitely a "nooks & crannies" kind of thing now tho. Very few places will it be a problem, but seek() is one of those calls that *always* triggers it, where a simple read() might go right to the end of the file with no problem |
| [02:17:21] | wagner: | seems it is samba |
| [02:17:27] | wagner: | changing to nfs fixed it |
| [02:19:10] | justinh: | last batch of the night done & backed up. phew |
| [02:22:36] | wagner: | what is it... 2AM? |
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| [02:33:20] | Dagmar: | ùíù CTCP TIME reply from justinh: Wed Jun 11 03:33:17 2008 |
| [02:33:25] | Dagmar: | :) |
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| [02:43:23] | flouge1: | is there a transcode all option? |
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| [02:49:21] | Gre1: | hello |
| [02:52:05] | Gre1: | On gentoo I installed nvidia driver but didn't see nvidia in eselect opengl and so of course myth wouldn't install |
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| [03:04:51] | dustybin: | justinh: go to bed! what the hell you doing up at this time |
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| [03:05:30] | jellynet: | I am having issues with my tv output where i have slow horiz refresh lines going down the screen... and it hurts to look at the screen |
| [03:05:32] | iamlindoro: | jellynet: Sounds like a ground fault to me. |
| [03:05:41] | iamlindoro: | er ground loop |
| [03:05:48] | jellynet: | iamlindoro: ground loop? |
| [03:05:55] | iamlindoro: | yep, that's what I said |
| [03:05:56] | dustybin: | there comes a point where one needs to differentiation mythtv, irc and real life |
| [03:08:08] | iamlindoro: | http://www.siber-sonic.com/electronics/GLoopwhatis.html |
| [03:08:23] | jellynet: | iamlindoro: they are all plugged in trhough the same surge protector.. |
| [03:09:17] | Gre1: | on PA systems we used to float the ground |
| [03:10:54] | iamlindoro: | jellynet: all plugged into the same power strip won't prevent ground loops |
| [03:11:07] | iamlindoro: | That coaxial cable of yours is another path to ground... |
| [03:11:41] | jellynet: | iamlindoro: so if I unplug the coax it might fix the issue? |
| [03:12:08] | iamlindoro: | maybe, maybe not-- ground loops can come from all over |
| [03:12:31] | iamlindoro: | Might be part of your video output settings, tough to tell |
| [03:13:10] | Gre1: | So I wonder how to get nvidia to show up in eselect opengl list? |
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| [03:14:29] | jellynet: | iamlindoro: ok, that fixed the scaning issue.. but the color is still off and it still hurts the eyes.. like the refresh rate is too low or something? |
| [03:16:29] | jellynet: | ... and the issue of figuring out what to do with the coax |
| [03:16:57] | iamlindoro: | Buy a coaxial ground loop isolator |
| [03:17:17] | iamlindoro: | And regarding your picture... well, analog video sucks, no two ways about it |
| [03:18:21] | jellynet: | iamlindoro: should I play with the refresh rate? got a good starting point for an old tv? |
| [03:19:59] | iamlindoro: | jellynet: You should only be screwing around with the refresh rate on a tube TV if you want to make it not work any more |
| [03:20:34] | iamlindoro: | For NTSC, it's 60 Hz, end of story |
| [03:22:34] | jellynet: | resolution issues? |
| [03:23:13] | iamlindoro: | resolution issues shouldn't cause color problems |
| [03:23:20] | iamlindoro: | Analog. Video. Sucks. |
| [03:23:29] | iamlindoro: | Expecially if you're capturing via analog as well |
| [03:23:30] | jellynet: | color is probably the tv |
| [03:23:32] | iamlindoro: | Ewww |
| [03:24:23] | dustybin: | *colour |
| [03:24:28] | jellynet: | but the issue I am also having is that its basically hard to look at |
| [03:24:42] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: Not where we live it's not |
| [03:24:59] | dustybin: | it is here!! :P |
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| [03:25:26] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: Do any of us make snide comments when the UK users spell things their way? No. Get over it. |
| [03:25:53] | iamlindoro: | jellynet: Get a good TV? MythTV on an ancient TV is like bicycle tires on your beamer. |
| [03:26:51] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: i was only joking :-( |
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| [03:27:28] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: your turning into a justinh, soon you will quit on people with rude quit messages |
| [03:27:50] | iamlindoro: | No, far too fun to needle and snark |
| [03:28:37] | jellynet: | iamlindoro: i figured out the problem... i was closer to the tv than i usually sit by a LOT.. Thanks for the help with the ground loop |
| [03:29:06] | iamlindoro: | Poor vision saves another Myth user experience! |
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| [03:32:31] | funburn: | I've been having a problem with my Rip/Transcode jobs |
| [03:32:32] | dustybin: | i own a apple macbook pro c2d 2.2 ghz, could i run the os x version of the frontend and see if it plays HD ? |
| [03:32:48] | funburn: | the rip works fine, but when its done, it deletes the vob dir and exits |
| [03:33:02] | funburn: | how can I troubleshoot this? |
| [03:34:35] | dustybin: | im downloading this for os x |
| [03:34:37] | dustybin: | MythFrontend-FIXES release-0-21-fixes Package with Plugins 20080608 SVN Revision 17450 |
| [03:43:08] | dustybin: | its very buggy |
| [03:43:36] | dustybin: | i tried to play a hd video but nothing happened, i tried to grab my music and it crashed |
| [03:43:52] | dustybin: | TV played, but it was jerky as hell |
| [03:45:22] | iamlindoro: | Heh, guess you didn't bother editing your playback profiles, then, that machine is more than capable of playing TV easily |
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| [03:45:50] | wagner: | i thought the OSX builds were very processor hungry |
| [03:46:21] | iamlindoro: | They'll play TV without any real issue. There's more overhead, but that system should play with no issue whatsoever |
| [03:46:54] | dustybin: | my laptop fans went on full wack too |
| [03:47:26] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: *did* you edit your playback profiles as appropriate for OS X? |
| [03:47:46] | iamlindoro: | ie to use Quartz blit, etc. |
| [03:47:55] | dustybin: | nope i didnt ill try it now |
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| [04:04:10] | Schizm: | ok, anyone know of a device like the HDHomeRun that is analog/digital? or just plain analog? I really like the external device style of it, but I can not live on digital alone :) |
| [04:04:33] | iamlindoro: | If you mean network enabled, then no, no such device. |
| [04:05:03] | Schizm: | yes, that is what I was talking about, an appliance of sorts :( |
| [04:05:16] | iamlindoro: | plenty of USB analog devices, though |
| [04:05:30] | Schizm: | is there any way to control a slingbox through mythTV? |
| [04:05:36] | iamlindoro: | nope |
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| [04:07:22] | Schizm: | I guess I will just have to setup some distributed mythtv recorders for analog then. what is a multi-tuner analog pci card that is well supported under linux by chance? |
| [04:07:35] | iamlindoro: | PVR-500 |
| [04:07:39] | iamlindoro: | only one out there |
| [04:07:50] | Schizm: | cool, will check on that :) |
| [04:08:40] | fryfrog: | you can get ~3 PVR150s for the price of a PVR500, fyi |
| [04:08:44] | fryfrog: | if you have 3 pci slots :/ |
| [04:10:33] | Schizm: | wow |
| [04:16:43] | Schizm: | $139 + $7 shipping... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116628 |
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| [04:20:25] | Schizm: | thanks for the help! :) |
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| [05:17:59] | hachi: | I've got an snd-hda-intel card here... specifically a G35 intel chipset |
| [05:18:09] | hachi: | anyone know about volume problems with it? |
| [05:18:13] | hachi: | it's pretty darned quiet |
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| [05:30:39] | flouge1: | any hints on how to setup the transcodes |
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| [08:01:04] | noaXess: | hi all |
| [08:01:41] | noaXess: | are there more DVB-C cards that are supported on mythtv? in the requirements site is only Technotrend C1500 (DVB-C) |
| [08:01:50] | noaXess: | i'm in switzerland.. any idea? |
| [08:02:01] | anykey_: | noaXess: which cable provider? |
| [08:02:11] | noaXess: | tbwil :) |
| [08:02:19] | noaXess: | thats in 9500 wil, near st. gallen |
| [08:02:23] | anykey_: | noaXess: do they send FTA? |
| [08:02:27] | noaXess: | uuu |
| [08:02:35] | noaXess: | i don't know.. whats that exactly? |
| [08:05:42] | noaXess: | aha free to air.. |
| [08:05:43] | anykey_: | free to air, unencrypted |
| [08:05:46] | noaXess: | :) |
| [08:05:49] | noaXess: | puh |
| [08:06:19] | noaXess: | in th emoment i have winmc2005 with a dual analog tv receiver |
| [08:06:38] | noaXess: | i want switch to mythtv.. but need first the correct hardware |
| [08:06:49] | noaXess: | and a digital tv-card ;) |
| [08:07:03] | anykey_: | noaXess: linuxtv.org/wiki/ -> DVB-C devices |
| [08:07:53] | noaXess: | all this are suported in mythtv? |
| [08:09:31] | anykey_: | noaXess: yes |
| [08:09:42] | directhex: | mythtv supports any linuxtv-powered device |
| [08:09:44] | anykey_: | noaXess: seems like TB Wil allows other boxes, so you're good with dvb-c ;) |
| [08:10:22] | anykey_: | noaXess: you'll need a CI and a Conax CAM though, so look out for cards that don't support the CI |
| [08:11:27] | anykey_: | noaXess: if you want paytv, some channels seem to be FTA |
| [08:12:21] | noaXess: | okay |
| [08:12:40] | anykey_: | noaXess: I recommend digi-tv.ch ;) |
| [08:12:51] | noaXess: | wait.. please.. slow.. |
| [08:14:08] | noaXess: | anykey_: swiss? |
| [08:14:32] | anykey_: | noaXess: yes |
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| [08:14:42] | noaXess: | den red doch dütsch :) |
| [08:17:10] | noaXess: | i need a dual card, cause i want record two sings at the same time |
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| [08:21:28] | anykey_: | there are no dual dvb-c cards, I think |
| [08:23:20] | noaXess: | anykey_: hm :( |
| [08:23:44] | noaXess: | anykey_: do you just record one thing a the time? |
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| [08:24:08] | anykey_: | I've got 4 DVB-S cards, no cable (cablecom) |
| [08:24:10] | noaXess: | or does the dvb-c cards have another feature to record two things |
| [08:24:25] | noaXess: | you have a satellite |
| [08:24:27] | noaXess: | okay |
| [08:24:27] | anykey_: | noaXess: you can record two programs of the same transponder with multirec |
| [08:24:31] | directhex: | you can record more than one channel from the same transponder |
| [08:24:45] | anykey_: | noaXess: yeah, cablecom encrypts everything ;) |
| [08:24:46] | noaXess: | then i need only a dvb-c with one tuner right? |
| [08:25:03] | noaXess: | thats a good information |
| [08:25:16] | noaXess: | okay |
| [08:26:01] | anykey_: | noaXess: if you want to record SF 1 / SF zwei at the same time, only one card is needed. But if you want HD suisse and SF zwei, you'll need two cards, as those programs are not on the same transponder |
| [08:26:04] | noaXess: | what dvb-c hardware decoder will you suggest |
| [08:26:38] | anykey_: | noaXess: i'll suggest the satelco easywatch dvb-c light, about 40¤ at dvbshop.net, clone of the KNC1, works like a charm ;) |
| [08:26:40] | noaXess: | anykey_: okay |
| [08:27:23] | noaXess: | anykey_: but its software decoding then i think i need a real power pc right? |
| [08:29:14] | anykey_: | noaXess: for HD you'll need something like a core2duo, yes |
| [08:29:25] | noaXess: | hm.. |
| [08:29:33] | noaXess: | or a hardware decoder |
| [08:30:50] | anykey_: | no hardware decoders for HDTV available |
| [08:32:47] | noaXess: | anykey_: do you mean this one? http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . dition-.html |
| [08:35:19] | anykey_: | exactly |
| [08:35:31] | anykey_: | you can substract 19% ;) |
| [08:37:39] | noaXess: | and add 7.6% :) |
| [08:37:44] | noaXess: | und den zoll |
| [08:38:12] | anykey_: | not if you're lucky ;) |
| [08:38:35] | noaXess: | okay.. |
| [08:40:33] | noaXess: | what about this anykey_ http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . dition-.html |
| [08:40:40] | noaXess: | the hdtv edition? |
| [08:41:01] | noaXess: | i know, it isn't in the software decoding list of linuxtv but.. |
| [08:41:44] | anykey_: | DVB-C cards always support HD |
| [08:41:56] | anykey_: | the HDTV editions just contain a h264 codec for windows |
| [08:42:28] | noaXess: | aha.. then i need only the first one.. |
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| [08:46:22] | noaXess: | anykey_: can we make a deal? |
| [08:46:42] | noaXess: | anykey_: ifrom where exactly are you in ch? |
| [08:51:09] | noaXess: | anykey_: okay.. forget the above :) i will order it myself :) |
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| [08:56:29] | anykey_: | noaXess: canton of aargau ;) |
| [08:56:42] | noaXess: | okay das wäre ja in der nähe.. |
| [08:57:01] | noaXess: | i will order it myself.. have just created the account on dvbshop.net |
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| [10:41:50] | justinh: | dustybin: all this vinyl doesn't become digits by itself :( |
| [10:42:29] | rsdvd: | justinh : yuo still ripping all your Vinyl :-) |
| [10:43:04] | justinh: | no, not *all* of it ;) |
| [10:43:13] | rsdvd: | lol |
| [10:43:13] | justinh: | that'd take me til christmas |
| [10:44:09] | justinh: | oh gawd. the club manager likes my flyer & is talking about sacking their current 'designer' |
| [10:44:32] | rsdvd: | lol – you have another new job |
| [10:45:20] | justinh: | flyer designer == pavement artist |
| [10:45:34] | rsdvd: | :-) |
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| [10:56:03] | justinh: | course right now I'm having to put up with "see, I KNEW I was right to stop you getting rid of everything" from my wife |
| [10:57:07] | rsdvd: | lol, usually the other way round......I thoguth wives were the ones who should be making you get rid of your 'crap' |
| [10:58:08] | justinh: | yeah our marriage is upside down in some regards |
| [10:58:37] | rsdvd: | :-) |
| [10:59:12] | justinh: | things I was supposed to be told to get rid of, insisted they were kept despite my protestations. other things which normally decrease after marriage are er.. increasing.. and there's none of that letting themselves go either :P |
| [10:59:47] | justinh: | one of my mates got married years ago. his wife is now the size of a house |
| [11:02:53] | rsdvd: | lol |
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| [11:05:07] | justinh: | ffs where's all the top end on The Brits 1990 ? |
| [11:05:30] | justinh: | ahh there it is |
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| [11:22:26] | justinh: | now there's an idea. make a t-shirt |
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| [11:31:30] | conathan: | Greetings |
| [11:31:44] | conathan: | I am having some tuning problems with mythtv & my PVR500 |
| [11:32:01] | conathan: | the first input has no problems changing channels, but the 2nd one is stuck on channel 45 |
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| [11:50:43] | psofa_: | idiotic question: where can i see the currect video resolution? |
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| [12:06:00] | psofa_: | *current |
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| [12:20:52] | justinh: | xrandr |
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| [12:31:04] | cursty87_: | hi |
| [12:31:05] | cursty87_: | one question, i need a good command to start my vlc in mythtv, fullscreen and so on, the mplayer was perfect but i don't know a lot of about vlc |
| [12:31:26] | GreyFoxx: | I didn't know vlc had a commandline switch to make it full screen |
| [12:31:37] | GreyFoxx: | -f |
| [12:31:41] | GreyFoxx: | --fullscreen |
| [12:31:57] | GreyFoxx: | straight from vlc --help |
| [12:32:09] | cursty87_: | vlc -f is fullscreen, but when the movie finisch the vlc is already on the screen |
| [12:32:27] | anykey_: | cursty87_: afaik there's a parameter for quitting after finishing, like -q |
| [12:33:14] | cursty87_: | ok, is there a function to open the vlc very fast? so a can see the border of the vlc, when the mplayer starts there is no border |
| [12:33:15] | gbee: | cursty87_: just out of curiousity, why vlc/mplayer instead of the internal player? |
| [12:34:37] | cursty87_: | which internal player |
| [12:34:50] | GreyFoxx: | the same one myth uses for recording splayback |
| [12:34:58] | GreyFoxx: | the built in player which can play most antyhing :) |
| [12:35:08] | gbee: | change the command line from "vlc -f etc" to Internal |
| [12:35:18] | GreyFoxx: | if you use the internal player for dvd's and videos you keep the same keyboard controls, OSD and look+feel |
| [12:35:23] | cursty87_: | just Internal? |
| [12:35:30] | GreyFoxx: | and you still get the ability to bookmark videos and such just like recordings |
| [12:35:56] | gbee: | it's the built in media player which mythtv uses by default in 0.19 and 0.20, and for playing back recordings – includes a themed OSD, bookmarking, timestretch etc |
| [12:36:09] | gbee: | cursty87_: just Internal (capital I) |
| [12:36:42] | cursty87_: | great :-) |
| [12:36:47] | cursty87_: | thats what i wanted |
| [12:37:31] | cursty87_: | perfect :-) |
| [12:38:10] | gbee: | make that, 0.20 and 0.21, I forgot which version we're currently on ;) |
| [12:39:37] | cursty87_: | great wonderful perfect :-) |
| [12:41:00] | conathan: | Hello, I was having problems with the tuner on my PVR-500 |
| [12:41:12] | conathan: | The tuner works on video1, but not video0 |
| [12:41:45] | conathan: | Since it last worked, I have changed from a 32bit 2.6.25.2 kernel to a 64bit 2.6.26-rc5 kernel, and from a 32bit mythtv 0.21 to a 64bit mythtv 0.21 |
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| [13:37:20] | dustybin: | ive install mplayer on my mac book pro C2D 2.2 |
| [13:37:40] | dustybin: | i played back a .mkv file, athough it plays a lot better than my pentium 3.2 backend |
| [13:37:58] | dustybin: | its still choppy, and after a while the sound completely stopped |
| [13:39:32] | lanuser: | Hello – what's the best approach for an STB that like to go to sleep after a while? |
| [13:39:33] | dustybin: | can ffmpeg play back video files from the command line like mplayer? |
| [13:39:58] | GreyFoxx: | dust: ffmpeg has ffplay as a commandline player |
| [13:40:07] | dustybin: | aye ok thanks |
| [13:40:11] | lanuser: | dustybin – there is ffplay but it's not nearly as robust as mplayer with -vo and -ao options |
| [13:43:37] | dustybin: | the .mkv file plays ok until there is a lot of detail on the screen |
| [13:43:47] | dustybin: | then the video and audio go choppy |
| [13:43:53] | dustybin: | i was using the quartz driver |
| [13:44:16] | dustybin: | Too many video packets in the buffer: (203 in 8414500 bytes). |
| [13:44:17] | dustybin: | Maybe you are playing a non-interleaved stream/file or the codec failed? |
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| [14:15:55] | mikegrb: | root |
| [14:20:23] | GreyFoxx: | stem |
| [14:23:36] | justinh: | leaf |
| [14:24:29] | clever: | sudo -i |
| [14:24:52] | clever: | Password: |
| [14:25:08] | GreyFoxx: | sparklefatty99 |
| [14:25:14] | GreyFoxx: | oh noes! my password |
| [14:25:29] | clever: | :P |
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| [14:33:35] | sid3windr: | =) |
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| [14:52:57] | MrGandalf: | has anyone checked out Gloss yet? |
| [14:53:13] | MrGandalf: | hassome interesting concepts Myth could borrow from. |
| [14:54:35] | justinh: | myth can't borrow anything from it. it uses that junk called clutter |
| [14:54:48] | MrGandalf: | "concepts" |
| [14:55:27] | justinh: | concepts such as? |
| [14:55:29] | MrGandalf: | I like the very animated menus for instance |
| [14:55:39] | justinh: | they're already on their way |
| [14:55:40] | justinh: | next |
| [14:55:57] | MrGandalf: | geez |
| [14:56:55] | MrGandalf: | sorry I mentioned it |
| [14:57:49] | justinh: | mythui is promising to turn mythfrontend upside down, but in a good way |
| [14:58:31] | MrGandalf: | I'm looking forward to that.. just not looking forward to upgrading my backend to support it :( |
| [14:58:39] | MrGandalf: | I've finally gotten that stable. |
| [14:58:41] | justinh: | yes gloss has some good ideas. no doubt some will end up in mythtv. nothing is set in stone & mythui is a great opportunity to change things |
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| [15:07:16] | GreyFoxx: | wasa: No, but our streaming stuff is |
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| [15:26:06] | wagner: | the frontend has always been independent of the backend, its one of the key features of mythtv |
| [15:26:13] | wagner: | a UI change isnt going to affect that |
| [15:27:06] | wagner: | unless the communication revision changes (although that probably will happen), there is no reason to upgrade the backend |
| [15:28:10] | hadees: | wagner, i'm not sure it was always but it has been for a long time |
| [15:28:49] | hadees: | communication revisions happen more often then you would expect |
| [15:29:16] | iamlindoro__: | Not to mention schema and protocol changes happen at the drop of a hat-- revisions should be identical on both sides |
| [15:29:23] | iamlindoro__: | ah, hadees beat me to it |
| [15:29:26] | wagner: | right, but im saying the communication revision would be independent of any UI upgrade, it would just happen to occur at the same time |
| [15:31:34] | hadees: | wagner, right but the reason to update the backend isn't because of the UI but it is because the protocol gets update all the time, the only way to be sure your backend and frontends can communicate with each other is to have them be the same revision |
| [15:33:05] | hadees: | if you don't have them running the exact same revisions weird things can happen, although mythtv is pretty good at saying you have mismatched versions |
| [15:34:57] | |Torg|: | from experiance haveing svn code, with the same mythtv protocal version, that differs by less then 8 changes can cause the frontend to segfault when it plays |
| [15:35:06] | |Torg|: | and that is WITH the same myth protocol version |
| [15:36:58] | lanuser: | Anyone here using AT&T U-Verse? |
| [15:37:24] | iamlindoro__: | AT&T U-better-not-expect-much-bitrate-verse? Nope. |
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| [15:37:44] | ** iamlindoro__ holds up a cross and brandishes garlic at Uverse. ** | |
| [15:38:23] | |Torg|: | AT&T swears they dont bitshape |
| [15:38:30] | iamlindoro__: | That's Verizon |
| [15:38:43] | iamlindoro__: | FIOS leaves the bits alone, Uverse compresses worse than everyone |
| [15:39:09] | iamlindoro__: | They leave 15 Mbit for *all* television into the house, and cram telephone in there too |
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| [15:49:07] | Ace2016: | Hi all |
| [15:49:13] | Ace2016: | what remote control do you use with mythtv? |
| [15:49:20] | iamlindoro__: | Any you wish |
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| [15:50:33] | iamlindoro__: | Unless you mean which we as individuals use. I use a Windows MCE remote, which is well supported by LIRC and a great remote for Myth |
| [15:50:37] | justinh: | well, maybe not the old wired kind you used to get with VCRs. they might be too much of a bitch |
| [15:50:48] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, oooh, or the "tone" remotes |
| [15:50:57] | iamlindoro__: | although that would be a neat project to make work :) |
| [15:51:15] | |Torg|: | I belive it has to be one of the supported drives, I would assume there are remotes that are not in the driver list |
| [15:51:16] | justinh: | an ultrasonic clicker. trouble is you'll have bother making myth work with just one button :P |
| [15:51:30] | iamlindoro__: | |Torg|, remotes don't have drivers, receivers do |
| [15:51:32] | |Torg|: | my RF keyboard works fine for me |
| [15:51:44] | iamlindoro__: | you can record just about any remotes codes you like |
| [15:51:52] | |Torg|: | yes iamlindoro thats what I meant |
| [15:52:02] | iamlindoro__: | |Torg|, so wtf did you mean by driver list? |
| [15:52:03] | justinh: | with the right reciever you can |
| [15:52:16] | |Torg|: | 'lircd --driver=? |
| [15:52:18] | iamlindoro__: | since he asked about remotes and not receivers? |
| [15:52:28] | iamlindoro__: | that's a driver for a receiver, which he didn't ask about. |
| [15:52:38] | |Torg|: | well I would think he actually wants to DO womthing with that remote |
| [15:53:04] | iamlindoro__: | And welcome once again to "|Torg| does everything he can to avoid seeming wrong." |
| [15:53:17] | |Torg|: | hes going to have to setup a reciever, could be a very simple one, then setup lirc |
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| [15:53:36] | iamlindoro__: | Yes, we're all well aware of the steps, but that's not the question he asked. He asked what remotes people used. |
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| [15:54:24] | |Torg|: | well chill out I already said you were right in correcting me |
| [15:55:10] | ** justinh laughs out loud. Is he really gonna play Right Said Fred at the new club night? ** | |
| [15:55:12] | mkargar: | hello all friends!i have problem in configuration mysql for Mythtv for running mythtv!!??how to config mysql and then run it? |
| [15:55:36] | justinh: | can't be a 1990s night without I'm too Sexy. the poor bastards |
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| [15:58:54] | mkargar: | help me?!! |
| [15:59:34] | |Torg|: | mkargar: you are asking how to setup mysql in a mythtv channel |
| [16:00:29] | mkargar: | |Torg|:ok brother! |
| [16:01:26] | mkargar: | |Torg|:it channel is for develop!! |
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| [16:03:45] | JohnMahowald: | No, but we assume you can read mysql documentation, ask their support channels, and at least ask more detailed questions. |
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| [16:08:01] | mkargar: | JohnMahowald:in fact,my problem is in run mythtv?(on opensuse 10.3)!i installed mythtv 0.21 pack's!since of inter ''myth-setup'',mythv runned,but, not menu on mythtv pages!it's only include setting page for mysql!! |
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| [16:12:43] | mkargar: | please help me!!! |
| [16:13:55] | iamlindoro__: | mkargar, you need to relax and wait. If someone wants to help, they will, but yelling out "help me" to the room will make most people ignore you |
| [16:15:25] | iamlindoro__: | plus, mysql setup for mythtv is all in the mythtv documentation at mythtv.org. |
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| [16:23:56] | mkargar: | iamlindoro__:ok!i wating.... |
| [16:24:55] | JohnMahowald: | mkargar: Have you read the mythtv documentation chapter on mysql? |
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| [16:30:45] | XLV: | whats intel lib again for media decode? vxva? |
| [16:31:02] | iamlindoro__: | vaapi |
| [16:31:21] | iamlindoro__: | Is the new one, anyway-- the original, which is not Intel-specific, is XvMc |
| [16:31:27] | dagar: | does anyone know what would cause horiztonal streaks when playing back using xvmc? |
| [16:31:33] | dagar: | looks like the picture was smeared to the right |
| [16:32:01] | ** justinh tosses another opensuse user on the flames ** | |
| [16:32:12] | justinh: | dagar: sounds like you need to enable deinterlacing |
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| [16:34:12] | bbeattie: | I'm not seeing an option for playing music during a mythgallery slideshow or while looking at photos, is that still a wishlist item or am I not seeing something? Or is that feature only "accessed" by loading up music, exiting mythmusic by selecting to continue to play music and then going to gallery? |
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| [16:35:44] | gbee: | bbeattie: the latter |
| [16:36:24] | gbee: | you need to have loaded mythmusic at least once before the "mini-player" can be called up on any screen at any time |
| [16:36:29] | bbeattie: | gbee: ahh. :) I was hoping for being able to set playlists when someone opens up a specific folder/slider show |
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| [16:36:42] | bbeattie: | what's the key for miniplayer? |
| [16:37:05] | XLV: | man i show today a panasonic 42" plasma 1920x1080 for 1200E.. and i feel a hole in my pocket forming.. |
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| [16:50:55] | hti_pro: | havin probs with live tv playback, starts out just fine but after about 30–45 seconds it gets choppy, until it plays about one frame every ten seconds. sytem load is quite low at this point |
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| [16:55:56] | hti_pro: | it also effects video playback |
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| [16:59:03] | hti_pro: | never mind |
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| [17:10:49] | ficofico: | I guys, there' someone for help me scanning channels with my s2–3200 technotrend? |
| [17:11:17] | ficofico: | device it's configurated and it's see by mythtv |
| [17:11:26] | ficofico: | but i'm not able to scan channels |
| [17:14:40] | ficofico: | there's no one? |
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| [17:18:41] | sutula: | ficofico: see the topic |
| [17:18:57] | sutula: | ficofico: Oops...sorry |
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| [17:20:54] | ficofico: | no now I pretend your aid :) |
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| [17:21:19] | wagner: | jellynet: a fellow cincinnati user |
| [17:22:11] | jellynet: | wagner: sweet.. do you attend any user groups in cinci? |
| [17:22:21] | wagner: | not at all |
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| [17:23:29] | ** sutula would help ficofico if he had a clue, but doesn't :) ** | |
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| [17:24:16] | J_t_M: | Greetings all. I've got a tweak I'd like to make to the source of the mythvideo's MTD, but I don't have a working dev environment. Is anyone able to test my change for me? |
| [17:26:01] | wagner: | J_t_M: just set up a secondary install |
| [17:26:13] | wagner: | use a different sql table, different user, and different ports |
| [17:26:40] | J_t_M: | My problem is more that I don't have the dependencies |
| [17:27:15] | J_t_M: | I'm using mythbuntu, and I need to rebuild a CPP file called Jobthread.cpp |
| [17:27:50] | sutula: | J_t_M: Can you use something like pbuilder? |
| [17:28:08] | J_t_M: | sutula: I've never heard of it, what does it do? |
| [17:28:13] | sutula: | (apt-get install pbuilder) |
| [17:28:19] | sutula: | apt-cache show pbuilder |
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| [17:28:50] | Dagmar: | Hmm... stranger arrives, says "there's something I need you to run on your machine" |
| [17:29:07] | Dagmar: | I'm game. Right after I finish the candy the guy from the van gave me. |
| [17:29:11] | J_t_M: | LOL |
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| [17:30:08] | J_t_M: | Dagmar: If you can build it, and don't want to run it on your machine, I'm more than happy for you to ship the build file across to me |
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| [17:30:25] | J_t_M: | I just don't have the working build environment |
| [17:30:27] | Dagmar: | You have no idea who you're talking to. |
| [17:30:37] | Dagmar: | <-- clinically paranoid *hacker* |
| [17:30:49] | Dagmar: | Dude, put together a build environment then. |
| [17:30:52] | Dagmar: | It's not hard. |
| [17:31:12] | J_t_M: | Dagmar: OK. |
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| [17:31:37] | Dagmar: | MythBuntu still has apt and such. |
| [17:31:51] | Dagmar: | You can make it pull in all the developmental tools it needs |
| [17:31:53] | iamlindoro__: | and exciting packages like "build-essential" |
| [17:31:58] | sutula: | J_t_M: Seriously, you can use pbuilder to create a chroot, build stuff there, and not mess up anything else with your setup |
| [17:31:59] | iamlindoro__: | apt-get install build-essential |
| [17:32:02] | iamlindoro__: | apt-get build-dep mythtv |
| [17:32:04] | iamlindoro__: | then end! |
| [17:32:08] | iamlindoro__: | er the end! |
| [17:32:20] | J_t_M: | Ahhhhh That's what I wanted! Thank's iamlindoro__ |
| [17:32:26] | ** sutula needs to step out...later folks ** | |
| [17:32:49] | iamlindoro__: | J_t_M, yep, that'll get you set up with everything you need to get myth built |
| [17:34:00] | Dagmar: | Oh wow |
| [17:34:11] | Dagmar: | Power is out to _New Jersey_ |
| [17:34:24] | iamlindoro__: | The whackings will continue by candlelight |
| [17:34:39] | Dagmar: | In the meantime, it's Jersey, and now there's no lights. |
| [17:35:09] | Dagmar: | That's a bit like being in the pound at night, and suddenly, tehre's no cages. |
| [17:35:36] | justinh: | odd how society reverts to type in the absence of electrickery |
| [17:36:23] | clever: | last time i had a big power outage i just ran the DSL&wifi off a UPS |
| [17:36:23] | Dagmar: | Well, thta's what happens when the ultra-rich engage in class warfare on "everyone else" |
| [17:36:32] | clever: | then sat in the middle of a pitch dark laptop using the wireless |
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| [17:36:48] | Dagmar: | In the absence of an effective method of enforcing those controls, the "poor" are going to go nuts |
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| [17:37:29] | Dagmar: | If everyone were well off and comfortable, they'd just light some candles and stay home |
| [17:38:02] | sid3windr: | you sat in the middle of a pitch dark laptop? |
| [17:38:02] | sid3windr: | :| |
| [17:38:12] | Dagmar: | Pfft. I have lots and lots of batteries |
| [17:38:15] | Dagmar: | My old dell has *four* |
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| [17:40:19] | ficofico: | ok, I ask for this now: There's someone that know if s2–3200 technotrend canwork with mythtv? |
| [17:40:24] | clever: | the laptop was practicaly lighting the entire house up |
| [17:40:44] | clever: | but the batery didnt last long |
| [17:40:45] | iamlindoro__: | ficofico, if it's supported by linuxtv, it can work in myth. check linuxtv.org, DVB wiki. |
| [17:40:59] | clever: | i got to the point where i had the laptop on the ups without the lap batery |
| [17:41:05] | ficofico: | no...... my dvb card it's well configurated |
| [17:41:10] | clever: | and if the hdd even seeked once the ups would scream low batery:P |
| [17:41:13] | ficofico: | but I?m using multiproto |
| [17:41:31] | iamlindoro__: | ficofico, Well, then you would need to patch myth for multiproto, and that's totally unsupported |
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| [17:41:53] | ficofico: | it's no possible? |
| [17:42:01] | Dagmar: | It's possible. |
| [17:42:06] | Dagmar: | You just need to write your own code. |
| [17:42:07] | iamlindoro__: | It's probably possible, it's just not part of regular myth |
| [17:42:19] | ficofico: | beautifull |
| [17:42:20] | iamlindoro__: | there is a multiproto patch for myth, and once you use it, you're on your own for support |
| [17:42:51] | ficofico: | it's better if I switch to vdr...... |
| [17:42:55] | iamlindoro__: | because it's not written, supported, or maintained by myth developers |
| [17:43:40] | ficofico: | thank you for the info |
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| [17:45:07] | janneg: | and one mythtv developer refuses to look at it before multiproto is merged which may never happen |
| [17:45:22] | Stormx2: | Hi guys. Need some hardware recommendations. I want to tune digitally from a freeview input. Ideally the card/usb stick/whatever could encode, too |
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| [17:45:43] | iamlindoro__: | Stormx2, Digital tuners don't do encoding. |
| [17:45:46] | justinh: | you don't NEED to encode |
| [17:45:59] | justinh: | not if digital is all you're gonna be using |
| [17:48:02] | wagner: | clever: i get a good 5 hours on battery on my laptop, plus another week or so if i plug it into my UPS |
| [17:48:31] | wagner: | well maybe more like a day |
| [17:49:22] | justinh: | Stormx2: see, freeview & any other digital TV comes in already encoded – all any TV software does is dump the digital stream to HDD |
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| [17:49:35] | Stormx2: | justinh, yeah, but what format? |
| [17:49:45] | justinh: | mpeg2 at the moment on freeview |
| [17:49:55] | Stormx2: | oh well that's alright then! |
| [17:49:57] | justinh: | likely to be h.264 in the very far away future |
| [17:50:17] | justinh: | but then when it becomes h.264 it won't be dvb-t anymore it'll be dvb-t2 anyway |
| [17:51:52] | iamlindoro__: | But there will still be stupid fucks trying to run it on VIA chips |
| [17:52:03] | Stormx2: | Alright |
| [17:52:29] | Stormx2: | justinh, so what would you recommend? All I want to do is record one show which is on every night. I don't even want to watch it in real time, just record it |
| [17:52:54] | clever: | wagner: my laptop lasts 1–2hours |
| [17:53:07] | justinh: | I recommend a dvb-t tuner card which works in linux. or maybe two of them |
| [17:53:12] | clever: | and my UPS is powered off 3 old portable xray machine baterys |
| [17:53:13] | iamlindoro__: | Stormx2, There are lots of good DVB-T cards... people seem to like Hauppauge Nova-Ts and Nova-T 500s |
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| [17:53:36] | iamlindoro__: | Stormx2, check the DVB wiki at linuxTV.org and make your own determination, they are pretty straight up about what works well and what doesn't. |
| [17:53:44] | Stormx2: | Thanks |
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| [17:59:07] | Stormx2: | iamlindoro, any recommenditions on what to get: PCI, PCIe, USB, PCMCIA... I have some spare PCI slots on my mobo... no idea if they're PCIe. |
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| [17:59:23] | Stormx2: | I only have USB 1.1 ports on this computer, though |
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| [18:01:35] | iamlindoro__: | Stormx2, Well they're either PCI or PCIe, not both |
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| [18:01:44] | iamlindoro__: | and USB 1.1 probably isn't going to cut it |
| [18:01:58] | Stormx2: | Okay. |
| [18:02:13] | Stormx2: | PCMCIA are external cards, right? |
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| [18:02:24] | iamlindoro__: | if your computer is old enough that it's only got USB 1.1, your only option is probably going to be PCI |
| [18:02:39] | iamlindoro__: | Stormx2, no. PCMCIA are laptop form-factor expansion cards, about the size of a credit card. |
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| [18:04:02] | janneg: | a pci usb2 card would be another option |
| [18:04:19] | iamlindoro__: | ^^ Yes, also an option |
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| [18:04:54] | iamlindoro__: | If you want to keep it simple, just get a PCI DVB-T card, it should be fine. |
| [18:05:19] | iamlindoro__: | If it has to be USB, then follow janneg's suggestion. Get a PCI USB2 card, and a USB tuner, and plug one into the other |
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| [18:13:29] | dustybin: | heres something what UK folks should record on BBC2 tonight |
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| [18:13:48] | dustybin: | Dangerous Knowledge: Maths and Madness Wed, Jun 11, 11:30 PM to 01:00 AM (90 mins) |
| [18:13:57] | dustybin: | David Malone looks at the tragic stories of four great thinkers whose obsessive pursuit of the deepest knowledge led them to madness and suicide. |
| [18:15:27] | iamlindoro__: | After having a week of UK TV inflicted on me, I still marvel we have so many active UK Myth users |
| [18:16:20] | PatrickDK: | iam, that bad? |
| [18:16:33] | iamlindoro__: | PatrickDK, Maybe just a matter of tastes, I guess |
| [18:16:38] | PatrickDK: | I only ever watch dr.who |
| [18:16:40] | dustybin: | UK TV isnt too mad with the help of mythtv |
| [18:16:43] | dustybin: | bad |
| [18:16:55] | PatrickDK: | who's line is it, was ok, I did kind of like the uk version better |
| [18:17:32] | dustybin: | its the apprentice final tonight :) |
| [18:17:35] | Dagmar: | A "game show" with no losers. |
| [18:17:41] | Dagmar: | Weaksauce. |
| [18:18:00] | Dagmar: | Man give it ten more years and the Japanese will have shows where the winner gets to EAT the losers. |
| [18:18:16] | iamlindoro__: | Japan = too many shows about dudes in diapers |
| [18:18:36] | PatrickDK: | heh, I alwas find japan and korean tv strange, funny, and just odd |
| [18:18:43] | Dagmar: | Well, Japanese game shows focus more on humiliation or hte avoidance of humiliation. |
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| [18:19:03] | Dagmar: | Like, hey, let's get people to reach into an aquarium full of scorpions for a single RMB |
| [18:19:20] | Dagmar: | If you win, you get a buck! |
| [18:19:25] | Dagmar: | Losers get bitten by scorpions. |
| [18:19:32] | Dagmar: | ^-- not a joke |
| [18:19:42] | PatrickDK: | dagmar, the local radio station does the same thing |
| [18:19:51] | Dagmar: | You have a lot of stupid people in your area. |
| [18:20:10] | PatrickDK: | you live in a port-a-potty for a week, while people do their business, and your the last one left in it, you get concert tickets |
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| [18:21:27] | Dagmar: | Hmm... |
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| [18:21:33] | Dagmar: | Easy way to fix that one. |
| [18:21:40] | Dagmar: | One call to the health inspector |
| [18:21:55] | PatrickDK: | nope |
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| [18:22:55] | Dagmar: | You live somewhere where they allow people to take up residence in portapotties? |
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| [18:23:10] | PatrickDK: | D.C. :) |
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| [18:43:53] | hadees: | is Hauppage ever planing on updating my order for the HD-PVR boxes i ordered? I get that they are out of stock but i haven't gotten any update yet. |
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| [18:44:48] | asmussen: | Well, I know they are behind on fulfilling orders for those because of the high demand. I don't know if they are planning on providing any updates between the time you order and the time they actually ship your unit(s) though. |
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| [18:48:38] | stuarta: | evening all |
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| [19:25:35] | gpd: | I have corruption on Channel 4 – could it be anything other than the signal strength? I tried a SLx Signal booster – but no help :( |
| [19:28:40] | iamlindoro__: | gpd, presuming it's a digital tuner, then signal strength or broken streams from the provider are the likely culprits |
| [19:29:38] | iamlindoro__: | Boosters/Amps can only do so much, and often just amplify a noisy signal. re-aiming your antenna/dish may help if applicable |
| [19:29:40] | gpd: | it is freeview digital |
| [19:30:11] | gpd: | dont' have access to the antenna – shared appartment – but i guess my only option now is to call the building manager |
| [19:30:25] | stuarta: | does a set top box work? |
| [19:30:50] | gpd: | the only other variable is the cable coming into the wall was attached rather crappily to the wall socket – not sure if I fixed it or made it worse |
| [19:31:18] | gpd: | stuarta: the TV had trouble finding the channel – and the analog signal is really bad :( |
| [19:31:33] | stuarta: | then it sounds like external factors |
| [19:32:26] | |Torg|: | gpd to diagnose that you would need to be more specifc, is the snowy, does it have ghosts, are teh white bars though it, or is it simpl;y week signal |
| [19:32:41] | |Torg|: | a sginal booster will increate signal strenght but not SNR |
| [19:32:51] | justinh: | femon tells you how the signal is :) |
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| [19:33:21] | gpd: | on mythtv – the pictures pops and cracks (sound) and has horizontal lines – on analog the picture is just noisy – no ghosts |
| [19:33:48] | |Torg|: | this is a shared line, as in split to many sources? |
| [19:34:03] | |Torg|: | err one source, many ends |
| [19:34:06] | gpd: | probably – no idea – the antenna is on the roof and there are lots of appartments here |
| [19:34:34] | gpd: | anyway – i will phone the relevant people and get it sorted out... |
| [19:34:48] | |Torg|: | a guess is that yo uhave bridge taps, ends of cable that are not connected, they dray off signal from the wire |
| [19:35:09] | |Torg|: | ampping it AFTER those taps is nearly useless, the closer you can get to the source the better |
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| [19:35:48] | iamlindoro__: | gpd, Perchance are you close enough to your towers that an indoor antenna would work? |
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| [19:35:55] | |Torg|: | the white bars though it are usualy hamonic distubance from electrical lines. You get those from using cable entenders too much or just simply bad cable |
| [19:36:14] | justinh: | most coax aerial installers have ever used is shite |
| [19:36:53] | gpd: | iamlindoro__: not tried an indoor antenna – are they generally worth more than a coat hanger? ;) |
| [19:37:15] | iamlindoro__: | gpd, Yes, there are some decent ones-- It may help just to have some sort of comparison |
| [19:37:18] | justinh: | gpd: maybe your aerial is the wrong group too. freeview muxes are all over the UHF band which is why it's now necessary to have a wideband one |
| [19:37:50] | justinh: | if you can beg, borrow or steal a freeview box give that a try & see how it does on the *same* coax outlet |
| [19:38:12] | gpd: | justinh: it is odd that BBC and other channels are PERFECT – but channel 4 and ITV and some others are CRAP |
| [19:38:39] | justinh: | it's not odd at all since all the freeview muxes are on different frequencies |
| [19:38:43] | gpd: | The TV has built in Freeview – and the first time i tried it – it didn't find Channel 4 or other channels |
| [19:39:14] | justinh: | voila |
| [19:39:21] | gpd: | ok – i will kick some building manager ass (if i can find one) |
| [19:39:25] | justinh: | you need to hassle your landlord |
| [19:39:34] | gpd: | merci |
| [19:40:02] | justinh: | other people in your block are prolly having bother too |
| [19:40:04] | stuarta: | don't mention mythtv, just tell him the tv won't pick up ch4 etc properly |
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| [19:44:37] | Dagmar: | The fun thing is that until someone else calls and forces them to admit there's a problem, they don't have any reports of problems. |
| [19:44:45] | Dagmar: | Our cable went completely out last week. |
| [19:44:59] | Dagmar: | I called, and my next-door neighbor had called about ten minutes before I did. |
| [19:45:12] | Dagmar: | I was told "We've had no reports of problems in your area". |
| [19:45:18] | Dagmar: | My response was not FCC "airsafe". |
| [19:46:02] | Dagmar: | I was nice. I initially responded with "Yes you have." |
| [19:46:14] | conathan: | Hello, I was having problems with the tuner on my PVR-500 |
| [19:46:16] | conathan: | The tuner works on video1, but not video0 |
| [19:46:18] | conathan: | Since it last worked, I have changed from a 32bit 2.6.25.2 kernel to a 64bit 2.6.26-rc5 kernel, and from a 32bit mythtv 0.21 to a 64bit mythtv 0.21 |
| [19:46:26] | Dagmar: | conathan: You have nothing plugged into the other one |
| [19:46:36] | keith4: | conathan: why? |
| [19:46:37] | Dagmar: | conathan: You do not use both video0 and video1 |
| [19:46:46] | conathan: | PVR-500 |
| [19:46:52] | Dagmar: | The PVR-500 looks like *two tuner cards* to MythTV. |
| [19:47:02] | conathan: | video0 and video1 |
| [19:47:11] | conathan: | I believe... |
| [19:47:17] | conathan: | er, sorry |
| [19:47:20] | Dagmar: | You tell it you have a tuner twice, and leave the defaults it picks alone. |
| [19:47:52] | conathan: | Dagmar: is this different behavior in .26 then .25 kernel? |
| [19:48:00] | conathan: | Dagmar: this was previously working for me |
| [19:48:09] | Dagmar: | Then the driver broke for you for .25 |
| [19:48:12] | conathan: | and I do get picture |
| [19:48:32] | Dagmar: | Strangely, it's working for me just fine |
| [19:49:20] | conathan: | when you say defaults... I've always had to configure inputs via mythtv-setup |
| [19:49:37] | Dagmar: | You shouldn't. |
| [19:49:57] | Dagmar: | The moment you tell mythtv-setup you have each tuner, it should be getting the correct defaults. |
| [19:50:52] | Dagmar: | I just blew away my database and reconfigured everything less than two weeks ago, so I'm quite sure it's got sane defaults. |
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| [19:51:18] | conathan: | 2, capture cards, |
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| [19:51:32] | stu: | hi guys, do you if its possible to have two keys assigned to the same action in lircrc? the first binding is working but the second is not? |
| [19:51:46] | stuarta: | no it's not |
| [19:51:55] | stu: | so one or the other eh |
| [19:51:59] | Dagmar: | stuarta: Since when |
| [19:52:16] | stu: | oh not talking to me |
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| [19:52:24] | stuarta: | i was |
| [19:52:28] | stu: | lol k |
| [19:52:33] | conathan: | Dagmar: well, thanks anyway. It was a stabally configured system until I changed my kernel to 64bit kernel, and moved to a rc release |
| [19:52:34] | stuarta: | Dagmar: the only exception is contexts |
| [19:52:58] | conathan: | (and then compiled mythtv to be 64bit) |
| [19:53:04] | stuarta: | if they are in different contexts then yes you can have the same button bound |
| [19:53:09] | Dagmar: | stuart: I can see no reason why someone can't make every button on their remote do the same thing |
| [19:53:21] | stuarta: | it is silly? |
| [19:53:30] | stu: | stuarta, a context is a specific program? like prog = mythv ? |
| [19:53:49] | stuarta: | conathan: there is no rc version of myth, there's a release, and dev versions |
| [19:53:52] | Dagmar: | Silly to do all of them yes |
| [19:53:59] | conathan: | stuarta: oh, 2.6.26-rc5 kernel |
| [19:54:16] | Dagmar: | conathan: THat's not a kernel you should be using |
| [19:54:21] | ** justinh chuckles. Uno Clio feat. Martine McCutcheon. hahahahaha ** | |
| [19:54:29] | stu: | my remote has both a stop and a back... by default the stop button is assigned to escape so I was trying to bind back to escape as well as there doesn't seem to be a stop function |
| [19:54:37] | conathan: | Dagmar: known problems? or just in general not using a rc release? |
| [19:54:49] | Dagmar: | conathan: Don't use an rc for anything you want to be STABLE |
| [19:54:54] | Dagmar: | This should be a no-brainer. |
| [19:55:10] | conathan: | Dagmar: usually is (: unfortunately, I have some research I was working on. |
| [19:55:20] | Dagmar: | If the people who made it considered it wholly safe and sound, it would be a release version and not an rc. |
| [19:55:24] | conathan: | BTW, is it a I2C interface for the tv tuner? |
| [19:55:31] | Dagmar: | Some of it is |
| [19:55:41] | iamlindoro__: | Dagmar, The concept of alpha/beta software is entirely lost on people anymore |
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| [19:56:19] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: What we need is a release quality tree chipper, an alpha quality tree-chipper, and beta-quality tree-chipper. |
| [19:56:27] | Dagmar: | We'll let users pick which one they wish to be fed into head-first. |
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| [19:56:37] | justinh: | lol |
| [19:56:39] | Dagmar: | THat should sort it out quickly. |
| [19:56:43] | asmussen: | I pick the alpha quality one. |
| [19:56:48] | iamlindoro__: | To be fair, I'd rather be fed into the alpha tree chipper... better chance of survival |
| [19:56:57] | ** conathan has no credit (: ** | |
| [19:57:05] | Dagmar: | See... suddenly everyone knows which of the three is least-likely to work correctly. |
| [19:57:29] | conathan: | LFS developer for about 7 years, and I'm not expecting stable operations. |
| [19:57:39] | stuarta: | heh |
| [19:57:53] | Dagmar: | conathan: Then you should recognize my name and know the first thing I'm going to say is "Look in the sysog for anything shifty/suspicious" |
| [19:57:59] | Dagmar: | s/sysog/syslog/; |
| [19:58:14] | conathan: | Dagmar: that's why I asked the i2c question, actually |
| [19:58:20] | asmussen: | Wait, does this hypothetical tree chipper have safety features to automatically shut off in case something inappropriate is fed into it? If so, I'd like to change my answer. |
| [19:58:37] | conathan: | it seems that rmmod ivtv and modprobing it doesn't always create an associated i2c interface |
| [19:58:46] | Dagmar: | That would be breakage then |
| [19:59:00] | conathan: | most likely, |
| [19:59:19] | conathan: | there were some v4l updates in the recent rc update. |
| [19:59:53] | Dagmar: | Well, I can at least tell you that 2.6.25.4 works finne here |
| [19:59:59] | conathan: | 64bit? |
| [20:00:02] | conathan: | or 32bit? |
| [20:00:09] | Dagmar: | Dunno what will happen if you're trying to use it with 64-bit, but that shouldn't matter. |
| [20:00:13] | stuarta: | 64bit is fine too |
| [20:00:17] | conathan: | alright. |
| [20:00:23] | stuarta: | most of us devs use 64bit |
| [20:00:30] | conathan: | BTW, mythbackend 32bit keeps saying unknown commands when using a 64bit kernel |
| [20:00:35] | conathan: | ioctl32 |
| [20:00:39] | Dagmar: | Anything that would be likely to break there would be more likely to break because the firmware wouldn't deal with 64-bit, but I've heard no complaints along those line. |
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| [20:00:59] | conathan: | mythbackend 64bit works seamlessly |
| [20:01:08] | stuarta: | that it does |
| [20:01:16] | Dagmar: | So you can report that to whoever manages your distribution. |
| [20:01:47] | Dagmar: | Mainly I think yer 32-bit compatibility stuff is broken to |
| [20:01:50] | conathan: | I manage it (: |
| [20:01:50] | conathan: | source based build from scratch |
| [20:01:50] | conathan: | I am just trying to figure out where 64bit breaks in my build |
| [20:01:50] | Dagmar: | s/to/tho/; |
| [20:01:51] | justinh: | yay onto the newer twelves now. these don't need cleaning :D |
| [20:02:01] | Dagmar: | conathan: That means you get to fix it |
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| [20:02:25] | conathan: | Dagmar: *shrug*, all I did was compile the kernel to be 64bit instead of 32bit... |
| [20:02:31] | conathan: | Dagmar: 32bit pure userspace |
| [20:02:56] | stuarta: | that gets a bit messy iirc |
| [20:02:59] | justinh: | arghh wtf is it with online tshirt printers who make you facking *email* designs? |
| [20:03:00] | Dagmar: | You didn't think thet there might be problems talking to the 64-bit kernel with a 32-bit binary? |
| [20:03:23] | Dagmar: | o.O |
| [20:03:24] | stuarta: | Dagmar: that does work, but i think you need to build the libc differently |
| [20:03:30] | PatrickDK: | there shouldn't be any problems using a 32bit prog on 64bit kernel |
| [20:03:40] | conathan: | Dagmar: didn't think there would be, at the time. |
| [20:03:40] | stuarta: | i run the 32bit firefox on 64bit in the office |
| [20:03:43] | PatrickDK: | if you have 32bit libs installed |
| [20:04:07] | conathan: | only problem I can think of, is my kernel headers are from 2.6.19 era |
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| [20:04:29] | conathan: | or older glibc, |
| [20:04:29] | Dagmar: | conthan: THat shouldn't actually impact anything unless they've induced some breakage |
| [20:04:41] | Dagmar: | You're not updating the headers in /usr/include/linux are you? |
| [20:04:47] | conathan: | or ioctl32 doesn't work with mythtv |
| [20:05:01] | conathan: | no, that's usually a bad idea |
| [20:05:08] | Dagmar: | 'cuz like, if you did that to make all of ivtv-1.2.0 build, you messed up |
| [20:05:11] | Dagmar: | OKay, just checking |
| [20:05:18] | Dagmar: | I wouldnl't call it a "bad idea". I would call it "dead wrong". |
| [20:05:24] | Dagmar: | ...but we still catch people doing it about once a week |
| [20:05:40] | conathan: | glibc, gcc, binutils, and kernel headers stay as they are |
| [20:06:36] | conathan: | anyway, thanks for the advice. I'll see if I can track down i2c commits to the 2.6.26 branch |
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| [20:06:53] | Dagmar: | I'd just drop back and punt with 2.6.25.x |
| [20:07:22] | Dagmar: | It ain't like there's any spectacular (or even relatively un-minor) benefit from mucking about with the rc's |
| [20:07:25] | conathan: | if tuner didn't work at all, I could fix it... one tuner working, one not, but picture on both... |
| [20:08:27] | conathan: | actually, I was seeing what broke because of the kernel headers change, in a temporary chrooted system (: |
| [20:08:37] | conathan: | I suppose I already found out. |
| [20:09:22] | Dagmar: | They've added some new defines in videodev2.h that cause things expecting them to be in the version in /usr/include/linux to break |
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| [20:09:41] | Dagmar: | Nothing going the other way 'round that I'm aware of tho |
| [20:09:53] | conathan: | they dropped a few files, |
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| [20:27:30] | justinh: | yay full colour image onto tshirt, delivered in 5 days for £16.99 |
| [20:27:55] | stuarta: | any plan for what to put on it? |
| [20:28:26] | justinh: | oh aye |
| [20:29:00] | justinh: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/b2b/b2btshirt.png |
| [20:30:10] | justinh: | goes with http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=500056&id=536319272 |
| [20:31:15] | dustybin: | justinh: make sure you record BBC2 at 11:30pm tonight, i think it will be essential for you... |
| [20:31:49] | stuarta: | that requires too much thought |
| [20:34:21] | Dagmar: | Umm... |
| [20:34:27] | Dagmar: | You would actually wear that on a shirt? |
| [20:35:20] | Dagmar: | I'm just going assume there's something in Facebook that would explain it if I were a facebook user. |
| [20:36:02] | iamlindoro__: | Facebook isn't too bad. It doesn't burn my eye sockets like myspace |
| [20:36:03] | justinh: | it's relevant, put it thatway |
| [20:36:09] | iamlindoro__: | Also made it easy to find lots of old college friends |
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| [20:37:26] | justinh: | dustybin: fuck off |
| [20:37:32] | dustybin: | :-0 |
| [20:38:27] | AndyCap: | Are there, in the matrix of rules which make reality work, some questions too dangerous to ask? |
| [20:38:46] | AndyCap: | who said reality works? |
| [20:39:07] | justinh: | "...the tragic stories of four great thinkers whose obsessive pursuit of the deepest knowledge led them to madness and suicide" :-\ |
| [20:40:04] | dustybin: | justinh: /s/maths/mythtv |
| [20:40:37] | justinh: | can't see how it's even remotely relevant |
| [20:40:41] | ** iamlindoro__ is waiting for the part where this show becomes remotely interesting sounding ** | |
| [20:41:37] | AndyCap: | suicide? |
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| [20:44:03] | dustybin: | cant wait to get home, lots of apprentice final to watch :D lets hope alex makes it :) |
| [20:44:45] | Dagmar: | AndyCap: I can think of a few dangerous questions. |
| [20:44:59] | Dagmar: | 1. What's all major world currency backed by?? |
| [20:45:11] | Dagmar: | 2. What is the meaning of "2 girls 1 cup" |
| [20:45:14] | iamlindoro__: | Magic and broken dreams! |
| [20:45:37] | Dagmar: | They are two distinct and separate kinds of dangerous, even. :) |
| [20:45:44] | keith4: | Dagmar: did you see the 2 girls, 1 cup birthday cake? |
| [20:45:56] | Dagmar: | keith4: No and I'm happy this way. |
| [20:46:42] | dustybin: | no signs of clever, he always livens this channel up :) |
| [20:47:17] | ** stuarta quacks ** | |
| [20:47:43] | Dagmar: | He's probably off somewhere trying to optimize playing cards with the Dewey Decimal System or something |
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| [20:48:14] | Dagmar: | s/playing cards/a deck of playing cards/; |
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| [20:48:46] | iamlindoro__: | s/livens this channel up/pastebins random log output/ |
| [20:48:54] | iamlindoro__: | s/pastebins/pastes into channel |
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| [20:52:45] | flith1: | hey everyone... I just got myself an hdhomerun box here, and it's working pretty good, except some channels aren't full screen — there's some parts on the top and below and I can see some of those weird white codes at the top of the broadcast... anyone know how I can fix this? |
| [20:53:07] | iamlindoro__: | flith1, That's how your broadcaster is sending them |
| [20:53:25] | iamlindoro__: | flith1, they rely on old/shitty TVs to overscan this so that most people don't see it |
| [20:53:37] | kleetus: | flith1: i got the same machine, but fixed it with the setup of X |
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| [20:53:57] | kleetus: | flith1: i mean i have the hdhomerun |
| [20:54:02] | flith1: | iamlindoro__: lame broadcaster... so, hmm... is there a way to fix it on a channel by channel basis? some channels are fine and others are not |
| [20:54:35] | sphery: | flith1: you can apply a crop filter per-channel |
| [20:54:48] | sphery: | i.e. crop 8 pixels from the top to get rid of the data |
| [20:55:29] | kleetus: | flith1: how do you like your hdhomerun, other than the bars? |
| [20:55:43] | flith1: | sphery: nice! where is that in the setup? I can't find it? |
| [20:56:26] | flith1: | kleetus: the hdhomerun is awesome so far! so awesome that there's not that much to say... setup was as easy as plugging it in, and it works exactly as expected. fairly rare these days I'd say |
| [20:56:28] | sphery: | http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-10.html#ss10.4 |
| [20:56:59] | kleetus: | flith1: cool...i have not talked to others that have this product...so it is nice to hear from you |
| [20:57:22] | clever: | flith1: i get those blocks on my pvr 150(external tuner) |
| [20:57:33] | clever: | not limited to the hdhomerun |
| [20:57:48] | clever: | its most noticable on daily planet(discovery channel) |
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| [20:57:59] | clever: | i just ignore them |
| [20:58:00] | sphery: | flith1: configure it in the channel editor (mythtv-setup is best) |
| [20:58:01] | flith1: | clever: yeah I used to sometimes too... but this is very bad, like probably 50 pixels on both the top and bottom |
| [20:58:11] | flith1: | sphery: thanks, I appreciate the link! |
| [20:58:33] | clever: | my bigest problem is the 2 dashes lines down the side of the frame |
| [20:59:12] | clever: | which i think is a defect in the pvr150 decoder |
| [20:59:34] | clever: | http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/myt . . . 1.png/_full_ |
| [20:59:40] | sphery: | flith1: if you mean that the black bars are about 50 pixels on top and bottom, that's probably not part of the video (i.e. it's the black background Myth is painting to allow showing a 16:9 image on a 4:3 set or whatever) |
| [21:00:07] | sphery: | the data should only be a few pixels large (unless you have a ludicrously high-resolution screen) |
| [21:00:07] | Dagmar: | Myth letterboxes? |
| [21:00:21] | Dagmar: | Wait nevermind, I missed the hdhomerun bit |
| [21:00:24] | sphery: | Myth will show video at the proper aspect ratio |
| [21:00:26] | clever: | i set the letterboxes of mythtv to grey when i got bored |
| [21:00:26] | sphery: | yeah, |
| [21:00:32] | clever: | and i havent turned them back since |
| [21:01:35] | sphery: | clever: should try thistle to liven up your TV watching |
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| [21:01:48] | clever: | lol |
| [21:01:51] | sphery: | clever: or some random color from rgb.txt |
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| [21:02:00] | clever: | my shoes are allready covered in that crap |
| [21:02:14] | clever: | and dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/mtdblock0 is more fun |
| [21:02:19] | clever: | after you map that to your video ram |
| [21:02:19] | sphery: | Or, do like the Philips (?) TV with ambient lighting and adjust based on video content... ;) |
| [21:02:26] | clever: | then the entire display goes nuts! |
| [21:02:59] | clever: | i found a page online explaining how to use the 'wasted' 128mb video ram as swap |
| [21:03:06] | clever: | but when i first ran it i forgot that compiz was eating a ton for textures |
| [21:03:19] | justinh: | www.stupidideas.com ? |
| [21:03:23] | clever: | so i wound up swaping into the texture memory which then got redrawn and crashed it |
| [21:03:29] | clever: | its on the gentoo site:P |
| [21:04:03] | clever: | after playing with the mapings i found out that my 128mb chunk of 'video ram' is just the same 32mb chunk mirrored |
| [21:04:24] | clever: | and only a 1mb and 27mb chunk are 'safe' to write to (with compiz is down) |
| [21:04:32] | justinh: | do you ever do anything like, oh I dunno... *useful* ? |
| [21:04:47] | clever: | it would be alot more usefull on my rh9 server |
| [21:04:49] | clever: | 64mb ram |
| [21:04:53] | clever: | and a 64mb ram vid card:P |
| [21:05:01] | clever: | the hack would double my ram instantly |
| [21:05:09] | stuarta: | just masocistic i'd say |
| [21:05:20] | clever: | http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Use_memory_on_video_card_as_swap |
| [21:05:27] | stuarta: | wtf |
| [21:05:43] | stuarta: | !seen Beirdo |
| [21:05:43] | MythLogBot: | Beirdo is here and has been idle for 3 days 23 hours 50 minutes 39 seconds |
| [21:06:00] | clever: | it would run better if i never used X |
| [21:06:06] | stuarta: | swapping to video mem is something he'd do |
| [21:06:09] | justinh: | its next door to http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Use_floppy_drive_as_swap |
| [21:06:19] | ShiftyPowers: | guys anyone know a first thing about troubleshooting this http://www.pastebin.ca/1045398? I'm trying to compile SVN but can't for the life of me |
| [21:06:24] | Dagmar: | justinh: I have to step in an vouch for clever, man |
| [21:06:24] | ShiftyPowers: | and I can't figure out the error |
| [21:06:27] | clever: | video ram is high speed stuff:P |
| [21:06:38] | sphery: | justinh: I use a RAM drive as swap :) |
| [21:06:40] | Dagmar: | LAst week he talked to some newbie for 10 minutes and didn't once suggest anything insane to him, so there's progress being made. |
| [21:06:41] | clever: | so the 3d data can be computed fast and produce high fps |
| [21:06:53] | stuarta: | what about http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Use_wang_as_swap |
| [21:06:59] | clever: | sphery: that sounds scary:P |
| [21:07:00] | justinh: | Dagmar: eking the last dregs of hardware – it's a crap life but somebody has to do it |
| [21:07:04] | Dagmar: | Whoa that's a REAL urk? |
| [21:07:28] | Dagmar: | Bah you bastage |
| [21:07:42] | ** stuarta chuckles ** | |
| [21:07:58] | sphery: | ShiftyPowers: I hope you mean compiling 0.21-fixes SVN, not trunk SVN |
| [21:08:10] | ShiftyPowers: | unfortunately it's trunk |
| [21:08:12] | ShiftyPowers: | i know |
| [21:08:14] | ShiftyPowers: | it's crazy |
| [21:08:16] | ShiftyPowers: | why am I doing it |
| [21:08:21] | ShiftyPowers: | but now i'm in this dilemma |
| [21:08:21] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, ah, but trunk must be several hundred BETTER! |
| [21:08:26] | clever: | im running trunk also and its pretty stable |
| [21:08:29] | sphery: | ShiftyPowers: You do realize that trunk isn't really stable for production, right? |
| [21:08:35] | iamlindoro__: | it's got MOAR RVISIONZ |
| [21:08:38] | clever: | sphery: its stable enough for me:P |
| [21:08:43] | ShiftyPowers: | i know that sphery, this is mostly for my own messing around |
| [21:08:48] | ShiftyPowers: | trying to troubleshoot it now |
| [21:08:56] | ShiftyPowers: | and i've gotten that same error for some time |
| [21:09:00] | iamlindoro__: | clever, except for the bi-nightly visit to #mythtv-users to complain about some element crashing for you? |
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| [21:09:02] | ShiftyPowers: | even after several svn updates |
| [21:09:08] | justinh: | clever: if it segfaulted before it finished scaling a theme it'd be stable enough for you :P |
| [21:09:18] | justinh: | what isn't running can't hog memory! |
| [21:09:24] | clever: | its running just fine right now |
| [21:09:27] | sphery: | ShiftyPowers: The problem is most likely due to old versions of MythTV libs on your system (i.e. 0.21-fixes or whatever) |
| [21:09:34] | clever: | i just finished watching an episode |
| [21:09:40] | ShiftyPowers: | sphery, ahh i see |
| [21:09:47] | iamlindoro__: | clever, stable is running for *months* without a single crash, not hours |
| [21:09:48] | clever: | MythTV Version : 17442M |
| [21:09:48] | clever: | MythTV Branch : trunk |
| [21:09:57] | ShiftyPowers: | but there is no way to compile without breaking the existing mythtv install right? |
| [21:10:02] | clever: | i still have that 100% system usage bug |
| [21:10:10] | clever: | which people have claimed was fixed several times over |
| [21:10:12] | ShiftyPowers: | my system works great (other than mythwelcome not responding to lirc) |
| [21:10:23] | clever: | and socket timeouts cause a segfault 40% of the time |
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| [21:10:46] | dustybin: | clever: your here :-) |
| [21:10:46] | clever: | but i cant see any problems if i just leave it recording by itself for 2 weeks like i will be doing soon |
| [21:10:46] | sphery: | ShiftyPowers: Can't say, "no way," but I will say, "no way that's worth the trouble." Best bet is to compile on some machine that doesn't already have Myth on it (i.e. a separate, dedicated development box) |
| [21:11:03] | ShiftyPowers: | ah that makes sense |
| [21:11:08] | ShiftyPowers: | sphery, thanks man, i'll try that |
| [21:11:11] | clever: | dustybin: yes im here:P |
| [21:11:18] | dustybin: | clever: sometimes justinh seqfaults with a rude quite message :P |
| [21:11:28] | dustybin: | *quit |
| [21:11:32] | clever: | yeah ive seen it many times |
| [21:11:37] | dustybin: | me too |
| [21:11:49] | justinh: | gross stupidity offends me, what can I say? |
| [21:11:50] | iamlindoro__: | I think it's amusing how the like minded band together here. |
| [21:12:00] | ShiftyPowers: | sphery, what i was ultimately hoping to find fixed was this bug http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5350 |
| [21:12:01] | sphery: | ShiftyPowers: you're saying your 0.21-fixes system is the one that "works great (other than mythwelcome not responding to lirc)" |
| [21:12:10] | dustybin: | iamlindoro__: :P |
| [21:12:15] | clever: | i recently fixed a bug i was having with XV |
| [21:12:21] | clever: | which nobody beleives i have:P |
| [21:12:23] | ShiftyPowers: | sphery, no, my current system is svn trunk but compiled earlier |
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| [21:13:06] | clever: | when mythtv gains/looses focus, something redraws the frontend, and half the time it draws the window solid black |
| [21:13:06] | sphery: | ShiftyPowers: that bug hasn't yet been fixed in trunk. But, it doesn't exist in 0.21-fixes... ;) |
| [21:13:13] | clever: | breaking the colorkey |
| [21:13:14] | ShiftyPowers: | sphery, :) |
| [21:13:28] | ShiftyPowers: | i know, if there is an easy way to reverto to 0.21-fixes i'm down for it |
| [21:13:28] | sphery: | what trunk rev are you one? |
| [21:13:30] | sphery: | on? |
| [21:13:36] | ShiftyPowers: | sphery, how do i check that? |
| [21:13:38] | clever: | i tryed to 'fix' it by making the colorkey solid black, so when it screwed up there was no change |
| [21:13:40] | iamlindoro__: | use that DB backup you didn't make :) |
| [21:13:42] | sphery: | mythfrontend --version |
| [21:13:44] | clever: | but mythtv overrides that:P |
| [21:13:48] | sphery: | or mythbackend --version |
| [21:13:51] | clever: | which i tracked down and fixed |
| [21:13:55] | ShiftyPowers: | 17024 |
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| [21:14:50] | justinh: | getting a bit sick of ctrl-x, ctrl-n & ctrl-v now |
| [21:15:22] | clever: | i use middle click |
| [21:15:25] | clever: | like real linux users! |
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| [21:16:09] | sphery: | ShiftyPowers: oh, that's post-UTF8 change. Reverting to -fixes is tough. |
| [21:16:27] | justinh: | I'm not on linux |
| [21:16:28] | ShiftyPowers: | oh well, i'll live with it then until it gets fixed |
| [21:16:35] | ShiftyPowers: | it's a nuisance more than anything |
| [21:16:55] | ShiftyPowers: | sphery, thanks for the help though |
| [21:16:58] | sphery: | justinh: http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/nt/TXMouse/ |
| [21:17:11] | justinh: | audio editing is enough of a bitch without having to drag the penguin into it |
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| [21:19:16] | sphery: | ShiftyPowers: You could probably do it with a "new hardware" restore. (#23.7 – http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7 ), though you may want to do a backup with mysqldump --skip-set-charset . |
| [21:19:46] | sphery: | I can't guarantee it will work, but from glancing at the changes, it looks like it would. |
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| [21:20:13] | ShiftyPowers: | sphery, ok i'll look into it |
| [21:20:16] | ShiftyPowers: | sphery, thanks again man |
| [21:20:35] | sphery: | good luck (with trunk or the downgrade, whichever you choose) |
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| [21:24:52] | flith1: | hey guys... I know there's a way, but I can't find it... how do I remap a channel from what schedules direct thinks it is, to what it actually is? :) |
| [21:24:58] | flith1: | err guys and gals sorry |
| [21:25:40] | sphery: | ShiftyPowers: If you do decide to do a partial (new-host) restore, you may be interested in trying some scripts for backup/restore. http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/database_ . . . rg_backup.pl and http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/database_ . . . g_restore.pl |
| [21:25:47] | sutula: | flith1: I don't know RE Myth, but think you can request a Schedules Direct update on their website |
| [21:26:07] | sphery: | ShiftyPowers: though you may be better off doing the backup manually to get --skip-set-charset |
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| [21:26:35] | flith1: | sutula: cool looking into that |
| [21:26:53] | sphery: | You can set up the backup in a cron job or init script, though, for long-term usage. |
| [21:27:17] | ShiftyPowers: | sphery, i may just do a backup and recompile |
| [21:27:23] | ShiftyPowers: | might be cleaner no? |
| [21:27:39] | sphery: | And I appreciate any feedback you have on the scripts. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv |
| [21:27:44] | iamlindoro__: | ShiftyPowers, What he's getting at is the whole database won't work on an older version |
| [21:27:52] | ShiftyPowers: | iamlindoro, oh |
| [21:27:54] | ShiftyPowers: | i get it |
| [21:27:57] | ShiftyPowers: | sorry i missed that |
| [21:28:18] | ShiftyPowers: | I'll look into the scripts |
| [21:28:19] | iamlindoro__: | ShiftyPowers, and while I haven't clicked his link, I think he's pointing you at the section that saves all your rules, schedules, etc., and allows you to import them into a fresh database |
| [21:28:29] | directhex: | smurfs movie. |
| [21:28:31] | directhex: | live action. |
| [21:28:36] | sphery: | Yeah, the "new hardware" backup is to get rid of most of the DB (so it's all correct) and only copy over the minimum data possible that allows restoring the most useful info. |
| [21:28:37] | ShiftyPowers: | iamlindoro, gotcha |
| [21:28:59] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, Smurfette getting railed 24/7 |
| [21:29:01] | ShiftyPowers: | the one part i'm most worried about is my OTA HD configuration settings |
| [21:29:05] | ShiftyPowers: | that was a pain to set up |
| [21:29:16] | ShiftyPowers: | and the only thing i'd be really sad about losing |
| [21:29:20] | sphery: | That you'd need to reconfigure. |
| [21:29:21] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, live action smurfs is even worse than live action tentacle porn |
| [21:29:24] | iamlindoro__: | That pain you feel is the one associated with using trunk prematurely :) |
| [21:29:40] | sphery: | Though, doing so can be as easy as global search/replace in a text editor. |
| [21:29:51] | ShiftyPowers: | iamlindoro, i know – i'm an idiot but now i feel i'm stuck in trunk and need to figure out a way out of it |
| [21:29:52] | ShiftyPowers: | :) |
| [21:30:10] | iamlindoro__: | ShiftyPowers, Understood, we've all been there, only teasing you |
| [21:30:12] | iamlindoro__: | :) |
| [21:30:12] | sphery: | ShiftyPowers: how much old TV do you have recorded? |
| [21:30:28] | ShiftyPowers: | sphery, not much at all, i actually don't keep much old TV around at all |
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| [21:30:37] | ShiftyPowers: | maybe 3 or 4 shows at a time seriously |
| [21:30:59] | sphery: | ShiftyPowers: another option is a completely new database with 0.21-fixes and just throw the episodes you have into MythVideo. |
| [21:31:20] | sphery: | or, if you really want, use myth.rebuild_database.pl (at your own risk) to import the old recordings |
| [21:31:23] | ShiftyPowers: | i could honestly get rid of my recordings |
| [21:31:26] | ShiftyPowers: | it's not the end of the workd |
| [21:31:42] | ShiftyPowers: | it would be most important to just find a clean way to restore my OTA HD settings |
| [21:31:53] | sphery: | How much recorded history (i.e. how long have you been recording TV/teaching Myth what you've already seen)? |
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| [21:32:13] | ShiftyPowers: | oh that's been a while, maybe a year |
| [21:32:25] | sphery: | ShiftyPowers: The OTA HD settings should be proper when you do a channel scan. That means the /only/ manual configuration you need to do is xmltvid mapping. |
| [21:32:31] | psofa_: | anyone knows if its possible for mythfrontend to read controls from stdin? it would make testing much easier |
| [21:32:43] | sphery: | ShiftyPowers: With creative use of mysql and a text editor, you can automate that process. |
| [21:32:51] | psofa_: | as in keyboard input |
| [21:33:11] | ShiftyPowers: | sphery, would it be possible to dump the current database so that I can reference it as i'm rebuilding the new one in fixes? |
| [21:33:29] | ShiftyPowers: | so i can refer to the xmltvid's associated with different channels from the channel scan |
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| [21:34:35] | GreyFoxx: | psof: There is a tool that uses the telet controls to do that |
| [21:34:54] | GreyFoxx: | keystrokes are translateddirectly to the FE |
| [21:34:56] | flith1: | hey does anyone here use OTA hd with myth? I've got it all working now, except the guide. OTA HD gives me channels like 4.1, and 17.3, etc, but schedules direct doesn't seem to know about them if they have a decimal in them... anyone run into this? |
| [21:34:58] | GreyFoxx: | handy as heck |
| [21:35:04] | psofa_: | GreyFoxx, you mean the default telnet server thing? |
| [21:35:17] | GreyFoxx: | www.phaze.org/mythtv/cmdline-mythremote.tgz |
| [21:35:18] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
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| [21:35:28] | clever: | GreyFoxx: i found a few problems with that |
| [21:35:38] | clever: | bracket is mispellled |
| [21:35:42] | clever: | so the volume keys dont work |
| [21:35:49] | GreyFoxx: | they work fine for me |
| [21:35:49] | clever: | and home/end and F1-F12 didnt work |
| [21:36:01] | GreyFoxx: | I don't use those keys though, so never tried them |
| [21:36:07] | clever: | i'll diff and see what changed |
| [21:36:27] | ShiftyPowers: | sphery, i think what i'm going to do is just reinstall with fixes |
| [21:36:31] | |Torg|: | flith1: SD knows which channel is what by xmltvid, and its perfectly normal to have chanels 4.1, 4.2 etc |
| [21:36:36] | ShiftyPowers: | and suffer the loss of shows/data |
| [21:36:39] | psofa_: | well all i want is to try channel tunning without leaving my chair so it will work |
| [21:36:42] | ShiftyPowers: | and not try trunk again :) |
| [21:37:03] | clever: | strcpy(ret,"cracketright"); |
| [21:37:09] | clever: | GreyFoxx: i wonder whats wrong with that....:P |
| [21:37:59] | GreyFoxx: | Weird that mine has it spelled correctly |
| [21:38:06] | clever: | GreyFoxx: http://pastebin.ca/1045427 adds the endkey, fixes that one, and the function keys |
| [21:38:11] | GreyFoxx: | but it's totally possible I fixed it long ago after packaging that up |
| [21:38:20] | clever: | yeah |
| [21:38:24] | clever: | took me 3 seconds to fix |
| [21:38:39] | clever: | and 10mins to get the function keys when i finaly got arround to it |
| [21:38:57] | sutula: | stupid question, I know, but when I install the new PVR-350 tonight, that has actual TV output, does all of mythfrontend display on my TV (assuming I configure it that way)? Or do I still need a monitor? Is the TV output considered another X display device, or only for video? |
| [21:39:01] | clever: | its not in svn so i couldnt exactly open a ticket with the patch |
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| [21:39:26] | flith1: | |Torg|: hrmm... weird... can you think of why I wouldn't be seeing any schedule data? the SD channel number matches the actual number (Ie the SD channel 4 is what my channel 4.1 is supposed to be), but I don't get any data on the channels decimals in them? |
| [21:39:44] | GreyFoxx: | I've been doing some mods to my one here, so I'll incorperate those changes |
| [21:39:50] | clever: | :) |
| [21:39:59] | GreyFoxx: | might shove it into contrib as it's quite useful |
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| [21:40:07] | clever: | GreyFoxx: may also help to shove yur name in the top |
| [21:40:16] | clever: | i forgot who gave it to mem so i had no idea who to give the patch to |
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| [21:40:26] | clever: | and greping the logs for irc didnt turn much up |
| [21:40:32] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [21:40:56] | |Torg|: | flith1: it is becase it is attempting to match channel data by station ID, your channels probbly brodacst this incorrectly or in a non stadard way. |
| [21:41:22] | asathoor: | Strange problem: one of my channels will not show the correct channel – even though the settings in the database are correct... |
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| [21:42:39] | clever: | right now i have a laptop siting on the other side of the room |
| [21:42:41] | clever: | running the frontend |
| [21:42:51] | clever: | and im controling it thru wifi with the remote.c! |
| [21:42:57] | asathoor: | and when I try watching the channel via ivtv-tune there is no problem |
| [21:43:28] | |Torg|: | flith1: this is OTA HD, correct? ATSC? if so there is no channel 4 for it and you have slected the wrong schedules in SD |
| [21:43:37] | flith1: | |Torg|: interesting... maybe I can fix it somehow then |
| [21:43:44] | asathoor: | > clever > so do I |
| [21:43:57] | psofa_: | GreyFoxx, it works great thanks |
| [21:44:01] | clever: | i mostly control the master with its tvout |
| [21:44:18] | clever: | but the cpu is a bit taxes atm and i have a dual core right on the oher side of the room |
| [21:44:29] | ** stuarta m00's ** | |
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| [21:45:06] | |Torg|: | flith1: go into SD, find your localbrodcast listing, make sure all the ones with the – in them are red and make sure you assigned that to your tuners |
| [21:45:19] | clever: | GreyFoxx: another thing i was thinking of adding to remote.c, letting the replys from the socket show up on screen |
| [21:45:28] | clever: | or posibly sending my own query up the screen |
| [21:45:30] | sphery: | ShiftyPowers: mysql -heuropa -umythtv -p mythconverg -Be 'SELECT "UPDATE channel SET xmltvid = ", xmltvid, "WHERE callsign = '\''", callsign, "'\'';" FROM channel WHERE xmltvid != "";' | sed -e "s/.*xmltvid.*xmltvid.*//" -e "s/'\t/'/" -e "s/\t'/'/" -e 's/\t/ /g' > update_xmltvids.sql |
| [21:45:39] | clever: | so i could query recordings and just pick one |
| [21:45:41] | sphery: | could have been prettier, but that was fast |
| [21:45:50] | GreyFoxx: | clev: I already have that in my one here |
| [21:45:54] | clever: | a local ui would be faster in theory then a fully remote ui |
| [21:46:00] | clever: | ahhh:) |
| [21:46:07] | GreyFoxx: | the echong of the response I mean |
| [21:46:14] | clever: | ah |
| [21:46:15] | sphery: | ShiftyPowers: I mean: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -Be 'SELECT "UPDATE channel SET xmltvid = ", xmltvid, "WHERE callsign = '\''", callsign, "'\'';" FROM channel WHERE xmltvid != "";' | sed -e "s/.*xmltvid.*xmltvid.*//" -e "s/'\t/'/" -e "s/\t'/'/" -e 's/\t/ /g' > update_xmltvids.sql |
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| [21:46:18] | GreyFoxx: | along with an updating location line showinbg where you are |
| [21:46:25] | sphery: | (you don't need my hostname in there :) |
| [21:46:25] | GreyFoxx: | without having to look at the screen |
| [21:46:28] | clever: | i havent done much with curses before |
| [21:46:43] | clever: | bigest thing i did was a php/curses ui to defrag my lvm |
| [21:46:53] | clever: | which simply listed off a multi choice menu |
| [21:47:20] | clever: | each pass would run a single pvmove and fix up 1 extent of the fragmentation |
| [21:48:07] | asathoor: | one of my channels does not tune correct – where are the channel settings? When I correct them in the database it does'nt help |
| [21:49:49] | sphery: | asathoor: don't edit the DB directly. Use the channel editor (in mythtv-setup, frontend, or MythWeb) |
| [21:50:22] | asathoor: | ok |
| [21:50:25] | asathoor: | thanx |
| [21:50:39] | asathoor: | well, I tried mythweb |
| [21:50:58] | asathoor: | and the channel editor looks all right |
| [21:53:04] | ShiftyPowers: | sphery, wow, i have to write that down |
| [21:53:27] | sphery: | trying to figure out how to tell mysql to format the data properly so the sed isn't required... |
| [21:53:43] | sphery: | it's not required, but I have to remember it, now... |
| [21:54:43] | sphery: | ShiftyPowers: Oh, and that does assume that you used the callsigns that are identified by the channel scanner (or that you can re-create the existing ones). You could modify the query to key on channum or something else if not. |
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| [21:55:48] | stu: | anyone know if its possible to change the font used for subtitles using the internal player ? |
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| [21:56:21] | ShiftyPowers: | sphery, thanks so much man |
| [21:56:23] | GreyFoxx: | Hmmm you know, it might be useful for a "query version" command in the telnet controls |
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| [21:56:26] | ShiftyPowers: | sphery, beyond the call :) |
| [21:56:40] | clever: | GreyFoxx: yeah that could have it uses |
| [21:56:51] | GreyFoxx: | stu: I thought that was a config optiion in the FE settings, but something that assumes the OSD doesn't try to force it |
| [21:57:07] | GreyFoxx: | and also depends on fi the subtitles are bitmaps or actual text |
| [21:57:12] | Anduin: | There is if you mean CC/TT |
| [21:57:22] | Dagmar: | GreyFoxx: So that we can tell people to hit their telnet port and it'll tell us they're using version 0.20.2? ;) |
| [21:57:29] | clever: | GreyFoxx: what i think we could add next is to 'query recordings' and display the list localy thru curses |
| [21:57:40] | clever: | a plain text list will scroll faster |
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| [21:58:10] | stu: | can change the font size in the settings... cant find anything for font |
| [21:58:23] | sphery: | stu: what fonts? |
| [21:58:40] | sphery: | theme, OSD theme, frontend settings? |
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| [22:00:27] | stu: | font for subtitles |
| [22:01:30] | sphery: | stu: which subtitles? DVD? analog TV? digital TV? |
| [22:01:51] | stu: | TV ones are find... as are the DVD ones... its when playing avi files etc using the internal player |
| [22:01:57] | stu: | find/fine |
| [22:02:07] | GreyFoxx: | using srt files ? |
| [22:02:09] | stu: | yeah |
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| [22:02:18] | stu: | they look fine in mplayer |
| [22:02:27] | stu: | but internal player makes em quite ugly |
| [22:03:05] | sphery: | The problem is probably that you have low-resolution AVI's compared to your display resolution. Myth draws the text on the unscaled image and then scales the image, so it can look ugly/too big or whatever. |
| [22:03:44] | clever: | yeah ive transcoded a show to a horid 16x16 before |
| [22:03:50] | clever: | and it made the OSD look like shit:P |
| [22:04:24] | stuarta: | funny that |
| [22:04:30] | stu: | also while you guys are here, I have another issue.. when I quit live TV it crashes mythtv front end |
| [22:04:51] | stu: | i've asked in ubuntu-mythtv but no one had any ideas |
| [22:05:19] | stu: | last entry in log/terminal is 2008-06–11 22:52:43.280 TV: Changing from WatchingPreRecorded to None |
| [22:05:19] | stu: | 2008-06–11 22:52:44.314 DPMS Reactivated. |
| [22:05:36] | stu: | which is normal |
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| [22:11:02] | ** sutula looks for someone to supply a cluebat: When I install the new PVR-350 tonight, that has actual TV output, does all of mythfrontend display on my TV (assuming I configure it that way)? Or do I still need a monitor? Is the TV output considered another X display device, or only for video? ** | |
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| [22:12:01] | psofa_: | is it possible to tell mythtv to change to for example 720p if source res is resx>1280? the config screen in "appearance" settings provides only match on equality |
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| [22:12:14] | iamlindoro__: | The myth interface will show up. The 350 out is, IIRC, a framebuffer device. It is strongly discouraged to use it (rather than your GPUs TV out) |
| [22:12:24] | GreyFoxx: | # query version |
| [22:12:24] | GreyFoxx: | VERSION: 17392M/trunk 0.22.20080512–2 40 QT/4.3.4 |
| [22:12:31] | GreyFoxx: | That should be enough info |
| [22:12:45] | asmussen: | There is an X driver for the 350. I used that for a while on my first myth setup, but there are drawbacks. |
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| [22:12:51] | Dagmar: | Looks like one-stop shopping to me. |
| [22:12:52] | Dagmar: | Nice. |
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| [22:14:28] | psofa_: | GreyFoxx, is that my answer? im using fixes |
| [22:14:51] | sutula: | iamlindoro__: Hmmm...maybe not a wise purchase, then. I don't have any other TV out on that computer, so was hoping the PVR-350 would make for a cheap, standard TV interface for a front-end for an older computer |
| [22:15:26] | GreyFoxx: | pso: I didn't see your Q, so no, that has nothing to do with you :) |
| [22:15:32] | asmussen: | What kind of inputs does your TV have, sutula? |
| [22:15:36] | psofa_: | lol i feared so |
| [22:15:39] | sutula: | asmussen: can you point me to the potholes? |
| [22:15:41] | sphery: | Hmmm. Figured out the mysql client option I was trying to remember for ShiftyPowers--it's -s. Just a couple minutes too late. |
| [22:15:53] | sutula: | asmussen: It's old stuff...svideo is best |
| [22:16:04] | sphery: | mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -se 'SELECT "UPDATE channel SET xmltvid =", xmltvid, "WHERE callsign = '\''", callsign, "'\'';" FROM channel WHERE xmltvid != "";' | sed -e "s/\('\t\|\t'\)/'/" -e 's/\t/ /g' > ~/update_xmltvids.sql |
| [22:16:08] | sphery: | slightly prettier. |
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| [22:17:23] | asmussen: | Well, it's been a while since I ran a 350 as an output device, but as I recall some of the drawbacks included no XV support, and it didn't perform well when using some of the plugins, like mythgame. I'm just going from memory though, it's been years. |
| [22:17:55] | asmussen: | There are some super cheap video cards that have svideo out, though. |
| [22:18:02] | GreyFoxx: | wonder if I should apply this to 0.21-fixes too... It's not really a "fix" |
| [22:18:19] | sutula: | asmussen: OK...thanks much |
| [22:19:18] | asmussen: | If you are just going to watch SD TV (No high def) and aren't planning on using any of the plugins, it might do ok for you anyway. It's more complicated to setup than just using TV out from a regular video card too. |
| [22:19:39] | ** sutula nods ** | |
| [22:21:14] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: think the DB schema version would be useful there, too? Only reason I didn't create a patch to put it in the --version output was because we don't have a MythContext (nor DB access) when doing --version output. |
| [22:21:35] | GreyFoxx: | spher: absolutely |
| [22:21:40] | GreyFoxx: | I'll add that too before I commit it |
| [22:22:18] | sphery: | if jams's (I think it was his) about dialog patch with version info in the frontend goes in, I'll probably mod it to include DB schema version, too. |
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| [22:23:17] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: now I'm wondering if MythXML supports giving that kind of version info... |
| [22:23:57] | GreyFoxx: | well, with the backend stuff you can use a GetSetting to check it directly |
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| [22:24:03] | GreyFoxx: | but I'm not sure about the other details |
| [22:24:37] | sphery: | yeah, I don't see any kind of version info in MythXML. |
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| [22:26:30] | sphery: | since I can't do GetSetting without MythContext, I don't think it will ever go into --version, but I may make a patch for the XML interface to return that stuff... |
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