Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, June 9th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

Have they figured out how to make the OLED last longer? I thought it had some serious longevity problems.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: which type of plant?

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iamlindoro:

the NED Flanders plant

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jpabq:

It does. Especially the blue, but they have made good progress. Like I said, hopefully in a couple of years :p

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iamlindoro:

D'oh!

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sphery:

lol...

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sphery:

The worst part is I figured, "Well, I can't just search for 'Flanders TV' because it will be a bunch of Simpsons references."

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iamlindoro:

There's a Simpsons episode that TMS calls "G.I. (Annoyed Grunt)" Guess they didn't get the memo that translates that title into something funny

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sphery:

is there more to the title than I understood?

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iamlindoro:

When the Simpsons writer's mean for him to say "D'oh!" they put (Annoyed Grunt)

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iamlindoro:

er writers

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sphery:

Oh. It makes so much sense, now. Like G.I. Joe...

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iamlindoro:

yarr

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sphery:

I can't believe I didn't figure that one out.

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jpabq:

Well, I guess I am going to go watch some TV ;-)

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sphery:

I think I'll see what happens to Chuck next.

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jpabq:

Unless janneg has come up with some way for me to help him with the HD-PVR driver....

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jpabq:

I have been watching the first season of Heroes.

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jpabq:

I have about 5 episodes of Chuck saved.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: enjoy your Firefly (I know... How can you not enjoy Firefly.)

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Dagmar:

WEll...

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Dagmar:

You could be on fire.

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iamlindoro:

Sadly I only get one ep a week

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mjj29:

mmm firefly

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iamlindoro:

(I'm rewatching them in HD on Universal HD)

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mjj29:

damn you and your HD firefly

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sphery:

jpabq: I just started watching Chuck. Had the whole season and it made the cut for new shows, so I'm starting to get into it.)

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jpabq:

iamlindoro, you must have firewire working?

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iamlindoro:

jpabq: yep

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Dagmar:

"Made the cut" lol

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jpabq:

sphery, yeah, it is a good show.

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Dagmar:

It's ratings were so high if they were showing it on Fox, Fox would move it to the 2am slot.

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jpabq:

Comcast in ABQ turned on 5c a year ago, so enjoy it while you can!

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sphery:

I wait to see what's cancelled before I get invested. Sure, I would have missed Firefly that way, but it would have saved me the heartache of losing Firefly...

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sphery:

Dagmar: I don't know what everyone complains about. Firefly was targeted at the 18–35 male TV viewer, so they chose the most appropriate timeslot for it: Friday night.

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iamlindoro:

jpabq: Unless they turn it off before we have HD-PVR drivers, I don't have to worry too terribly :)

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jpabq:

Well, at least you understand why I am so psyched about the HD-PVR!

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Dagmar:

sphery: Then the preempted it repeatedly, and gave it two schedule changes, aired a few episodes out of order...

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iamlindoro:

yup

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Dagmar:

Fox has a reputation for taking shows which have otherwise great ratings, and doing everything possible to make it hard for people to watch them

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jpabq:

I actually liked "Standoff"....

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sphery:

yeah, that was me being facetious. Though many male sci-fi fans have nothing better to do on a Friday night, not all of them fit that mold. :)

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jpabq:

I gave up on BSG after the first 45 minutes. I am told that I should have kept with it for the first season.

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sphery:

jpabq: Yeah, Standoff was good. BSG is great

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sphery:

Just finished Season 3 (on DVD) last week.

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jpabq:

Maybe SciFi will re-air the whole series — AFTER I have a working HD-PVR.

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sphery:

It is dark, though, so my alternating between Stargate SG-1 and BSG was a roller-coaster ride.

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jpabq:

Now SG-1 what a GREAT show.

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sphery:

Best ever.

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sphery:

I finished Season 10, and haven't watched The Ark of Truth because I don't want to admit it's over.

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jpabq:

Ark of Truth is good.

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sphery:

Have a feeling I'll watch AoT when Continuum is released, though.

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jpabq:

Continuum?

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sphery:

2nd move

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sphery:

movie\

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jpabq:

Have not heard about it.

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sphery:

already available for pre-order

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sphery:

http://www.amazon.com/Stargate-Continuum-Rich . . . 4&sr=8-1

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sphery:

Jul 29, 2008

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jpabq:

Atlantis can be good. As much as I liked Carter in SG-1, I don't really care for that character in Atlantis.

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sphery:

I'm almost done with Season 2 of Atlantis.

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sphery:

Afraid I'll finish it and Season 3 before 4 is released.

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sphery:

(I don't record any Stargate or BSG stuff--just buy DVD's)

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PatrickDK:

season 3 was pretty sloppy :(

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jpabq:

Agreed.

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sphery:

Too bad. Season 2 is pretty good, but I'm really hoping they find some ZPM's (or some other power source) because the whole "energy crisis" thing is a bit old, IMHO.

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jpabq:

I read that Carter is leaving for season 4, and Woolzie (sic?) is taking over.

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sphery:

Wolsey (from SG-1?)

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jpabq:

Yeah.

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sphery:

That would be a change. I'll admit I don't like the idea of Samantha Carter on Atlantis because she won't be able to outshine SG-1, but I still have bad feelings toward Wolsey from SG-1.

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sphery:

Found out it's Woolsey.

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jpabq:

I would have preferred if they brought back Dr. Weir.

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sphery:

I like her. She fits well.

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jpabq:

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=55604

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Inssomniak:

what keyboard key do I hit to see signal strength of atsc channel?

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Inssomniak:

I remember there was one

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jpabq:

F7?

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sphery:

Alt-F7, now

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Inssomniak:

thx!

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sphery:

(unless you have an old keybinding)

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jpabq:

TV time....

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illusionize:

MythSocket(82eeda8:22): Protocol error: '@' is not a valid size prefix. 80 bytes pending. <-- what does that mean?

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sphery:

means you're probably running different versions of MythTV components

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illusionize:

mythfrontend and mythbackend are the same version, could it be mysql?

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sphery:

No. That part isn't related to the DB.

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sphery:

Do you have multiple systems?

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sphery:

And note that when I say, "different versions," I really mean SVN revisions.

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illusionize:

I got them from the SVN last night, all the same versions

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sphery:

and mythfrontend --version and mythbackend --version both give the same SVN rev?

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illusionize:

yup

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sphery:

on all systems?

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illusionize:

http://pastebin.com/m67bc4c94

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illusionize:

I only got 1 system

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illusionize:

running both the backend and frontend

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sphery:

what were you doing when you got that error?

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illusionize:

trying to click the Watch TV button, and then I kept getting 60 bytes pending when I went through the System Status

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sphery:

are you using some funky filesystem?

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illusionize:

not sure

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illusionize:

I am getting that error message from almost everything I am clicking

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sphery:

It is possible that you have invalid data in the database. Do you get more info in the logs?

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sphery:

but I would expect that error to come from some other issue

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illusionize:

what ports should everything be?

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illusionize:

BackendServerPort: 6543, BackendStatusPort: 6543, MasterServerPort: 3306, UDPNotifyPort: 6948, NetworkControlPort: 3306

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illusionize:

do they all look right?

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sphery:

that's the problem.

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sphery:

Your server port and status port shouldn'

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sphery:

t be the same

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sphery:

generally, status port is 6544

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sphery:

so, when Myth is trying to interpret http status requests using the MythTV protocol rules

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sphery:

it doesn't work/gives you the error (didn't really the "when" was in there :)

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illusionize:

ok cheers, i'll give it another whirl now

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dustybin:

anybody here use a C2D 1.8 CPU with HD ?

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illusionize:

still getting exact same error sphery

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wagner:

dustybin: i remember someone one here saying the did a few days ago

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wagner:

under linux, they were pushing all out to do 13mbit h.264

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dustybin:

wagner: what kind of CPU usage in top what that show for the 2 cores?

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dustybin:

*would

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wagner:

depends, different distros do things differently

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dustybin:

i think debian and ubuntu would show the same

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wagner:

never used either

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wagner:

i know suse does 100% per cpu, so you can have a total of 200% (on a core2)

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dustybin:

oh ok

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dustybin:

1.8 ?

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wagner:

?

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iamlindoro:

Have seen some fairly reliable claims from the UK folks that BBC-Hd is doable on a 1.8 Ghz C2D w/ the skiploopfilter patch added, so that's 19 Mbit h.264... need that patch AFAIK, though

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dustybin:

interesting

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dustybin:

i was wondering if i should go for the 2.0 C2D mac mini instead of the 1.8

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iamlindoro:

So I would say that it is the barest of minimums for broadcast h.264... I would get better if you can at all manage it

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dustybin:

ok

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wagner:

anyone had any success getting the backend running on freebsd?

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iamlindoro:

wagner: IIRC Greyfoxx got .21 compiling on one of the BSDs a while back... but I dunno if that was momentary or if it still would

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iamlindoro:

where the last it = -fixes :)

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wagner:

compiled straight, or with custom patches?

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iamlindoro:

I honestly don't know, I am sorry

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iamlindoro:

thought it was straight, but not sure

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wagner:

ok, 0.21 release would not build last time i tried, but i dont remember the error off hand

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wagner:

i was going to give it another shot

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wagner:

there were patches to get 0.20.1 running, and i was going to try to update them for the new version

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wagner:

ill have to ask him next time i see him on

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darkfrog:

Hey guys...any new info on the Hauppauge HD-PVR support? ;)

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iamlindoro:

nope

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darkfrog:

darn

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darkfrog:

mine is sitting in its box still on my piano. :(

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darkfrog:

such a waste. ;)

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iamlindoro:

#hdpvr is the place to idle waiting for that, though, if you're interested

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iamlindoro:

should be RSN

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wagner:

you could.... run windows... :P

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darkfrog:

RSN?

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iamlindoro:

Real Soon Nah

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darkfrog:

wagner, bite your tongue

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darkfrog:

:)

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darkfrog:

thanks...just wanted to check in. :)

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darkfrog:

l8r

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jpabq:

I tried the latest ffplay on some of the sample HD-PVR files. I get "[h264 @ 0x8475890]PAFF + spatial direct mode is not implemented", but it does play.

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, to be expected-- IIRC the CoreAVC stuff does do interlaced PAFF

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iamlindoro:

And I think someone is finally working on the support in ffmpeg

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jpabq:

I can set my directv H20 to only output progressive, but I would rather keep it set to native.

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iamlindoro:

Just to give context to how slowly ffmpeg moves, PAFF support was submitted as a patch last September :)

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jpabq:

Wow!

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jpabq:

And that is what Myth uses, right?

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iamlindoro:

libavcodec, which is the ffmpeg libraries, yeah

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iamlindoro:

but it's not been merged, so it doesn't do myth much good

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jpabq:

Is that patch available somewhere?

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thoraxe:

hm... anyone here good with lirc stuffs? trying to figure out how to get my functional blaster to control my cable box

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iamlindoro:

http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=41221, but I have serious doubts about it applying to anything in the last few months, h.264 in ffmpeg has changed a LOT recently

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jpabq:

bummer. I guess you need to go over to someones house at that project, too!

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thoraxe:

it's a motorola dct700

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iamlindoro:

Someone pinged the ffmpeg devel list on Friday about it, so maybe we'll get some new info soon

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iamlindoro:

Having used a DCT 700, I will helpfully suggest that you will derive more enjoyment from that particular box by smashing it with a hammer

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jpabq:

iamlindoro, thanks. Keep me posted.

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iamlindoro:

And then grudgingly suggest that you search the users list as there are custom scripts for that box all freakin over the place

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iamlindoro:

jpabq: np

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iamlindoro:

also at the Ubuntu wiki as I recall

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thoraxe:

hm... well, lirc is refusing to send my motorola DCT700 commands... any ideas? it sends other codes just fine

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iamlindoro:

And have you looked up the DCT-700 specific scripts that I have mentioned, or shall I just repeat that three or four more times?

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thoraxe:

iamlindoro: sorry, didn't see that

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thoraxe:

iamlindoro: i found the ubuntu wiki one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Motorola_DC . . . hange_Script

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iamlindoro:

Thar be the one

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thoraxe:

iamlindoro: when i try to use irsend it says transmission failee

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thoraxe:

although pretty much if i try to send anything other than raw stuff it seems to be failing

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thoraxe:

hm... iamlindoro any idea about not being able to irsend them?

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iamlindoro:

thoraxe: If you have followed that wiki to the letter, then it points to a deeper misconfiguration with your lirc setup-- you should be looking at the setup of your lirc hardware itself

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iamlindoro:

s/hardware/software/

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mzb:

tried getting a webcam and removing the IR filter?

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thoraxe:

iamlindoro: well, i can directly do the send keys stuff, but for some reason none of the "named" other commands will send

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iamlindoro:

A digital camera will often work too (or, at least, that's what I use to test my emitter)

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iamlindoro:

thoraxe: show us an example of a command that completes, and one that does not

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thoraxe:

iamlindoro: the emitter works if I use the "blaster" generic raw

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thoraxe:

iamlindoro: sec

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thoraxe:

iamlindoro: http://fpaste.org/paste/2701

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iamlindoro:

now pastebin your lircd.conf

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thoraxe:

umm

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thoraxe:

sec

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Gre1:

hi

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mzb:

I'm not sure if anyone can offer any advice, but I've got two issues that have been annoying me for a little while ...

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mzb:

1. One of my USB tuners does not give good results on a particular channel when the system is under load.

[02:03:20]

mzb:

Usually I have to delete the recording as it's so bad.

[02:03:24]

mzb:

I currently have two recordings which appear to play and archive fine, however an archived DVD has a weird problem:

[02:03:28]

mzb:

after a cut there's no sound for the rest of the DVD!

[02:03:32]

mzb:

I have since added channel priority rules and made a few other changes.

[02:03:37]

mzb:

Can anyone suggest why this is happening?

[02:03:41]

mzb:

2. I have a number of recordings that refuse to be archived, and there is no log output to explain what (or where) the problem lies.

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wagner:

im getting some problems with libs/libmythfreemheg/Programs.cpp

[02:03:45]

mzb:

Can anyone tell me how to find errors in a recording that prevent it from being archived?

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wagner:

it claiming 'gettimeofday' is not defined in this scope

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mzb:

[sorry about all that ... just wanted to get it out all at once;)]

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wagner:

'time.h' is included in the top of the file

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thoraxe:

iamlindoro: it's kinda too big to paste

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thoraxe:

iamlindoro: there's quite a few raw codes in there

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thoraxe:

31k lines

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thoraxe:

i tried just using the DCT700 section from the ubuntu wiki page but i got the same result (restarting lircd of course)

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iamlindoro:

thoraxe: your lircd.conf should be nowehre NEAR 31k lines

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iamlindoro:

you have busted something, badly

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iamlindoro:

A few *hundred* lines would be long

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thoraxe:

iamlindoro: you assume that i've busted something. however the lircd.conf i'm using has a LARGE number of raw codes for a reason

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thoraxe:

iamlindoro: i also tried using ONLY the DCT700 section with a restart of lircd and I have the same error trying to send the DCT700 codes

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wagner:

you shouldnt have more codes than you have buttons should you?

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Gre1:

with gentoo, should i emerge kde before mythtv?

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thoraxe:

wagner: point taken, but having extra stuff shouldn't cause some stuff to send and some not, you know?

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thoraxe:

wagner: and regardless of having "too much", getting the same error for an isolated section would tend to point with a different issue

[02:07:17]

wagner:

Gre1: you need Qt for mythtv, but kde doesnt matter

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thoraxe:

something appears to be awry with sending non-raw codes

[02:07:53]

thoraxe:

iamlindoro: http://pastebin.ca/1042506

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iamlindoro:

#lirc it is, then

[02:08:14]

thoraxe:

ya no one is in there :-/

[02:08:19]

thoraxe:

i'll have to post on some forums

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thoraxe:

thanks for lookin into it though

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thoraxe:

iamlindoro: oh, i figured out the issue... haha

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thoraxe:

iamlindoro: it's because i'm using the pvr150 blaster

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clever:

anybody remember that 100% system usage bug in upnp?

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thoraxe:

Do not use other lirc configuration files for specific STBs . these simply will not work. The IR chip is only capable of sending those codes which are in the database.

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MinDKrime:

can anyone suggest a sound card that works with passthrough?

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MinDKrime:

I am so over mine....

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clever:

?

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MinDKrime:

I can not get passthrough to work no matter what

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MinDKrime:

NVidia CK804

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clever:

i can allways get linein->lineout to work on all my cards

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MinDKrime:

this is optical out to receiver

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thoraxe:

i just need a way to figure out how to convert the codes

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thoraxe:

ehhe

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clever:

ive never had anything with optical in

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clever:

so ive never used those ports

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MinDKrime:

hehe

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MinDKrime:

ok thx

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mzb:

thoraxe, I've never seen raw codes like that. Mine are generally like this: http://www.pastebin.sk/en/6911/

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clever:

POWER 0x000000000000AFF9

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clever:

power 0x00000000000000E8

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clever:

POWER 0x000000000000209C

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clever:

all the codes in my lircd.conf are in the same format

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mzb:

they are not raw codes

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clever:

and i got them all from the lirc site i think

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iamlindoro:

What a yechhhhh limitation of the pvr-150 blaster

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clever:

the pvr150 receiver i think has limits(no raw mode, only its own remote)

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thoraxe:

mzb: those are not raw codes. they assume that your blaster can interpret that stuff

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clever:

but ive never heard of one with the blaster, and ive never even gotten the blaster to work

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thoraxe:

mzb: the rest of the info around your section helps the lirc to figure out how to pulse the ir

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thoraxe:

mzb: the pvr150 built-in blaster is pretty junky, and the lirc i'm using is custom patched by a guy to work

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clever:

yeah i have header,one,zero,ptrail settings also

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mzb:

thoraxe, your conf defines raw_code-mode but then doesn't define them ... isn't that the issue?

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thoraxe:

mzb: i don't know what you're asking. pretty much anything defined in the "blaster" section sends fine

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thoraxe:

mzb: and all of the incoming codes for the receiver section for the hauppauge remotes works fine.

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thoraxe:

mzb: i just need to figure out which "raw" codes correspond to the blaster lircd.conf section

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thoraxe:

err... like, i need to translate the DCT700 lircd.conf into the raw stuff to figure out which key section i need.

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thoraxe:

there's a send_power script but it takes quite a long time to run haha

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mzb:

how about you learn the DCT700 codes directly from the remote then, so you have the raw codes as *your* receiver sees them?

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thoraxe:

mzb: because the PVR receiver can't see anything but hauppauge remote codes, so irrecord won't work

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mzb:

ah

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mzb:

sorry, then ... only thing I can suggest is to make your life easier and build a serial receiver ;)

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mzb:

(and transmitter;))

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iamlindoro:

Or, since I've seen the picture that comes out of the DCT-700, just give up on TV entirely

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iamlindoro:

And move to Bali

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iamlindoro:

And spend that money on drinks with umbrellas and thongs for your many mistresses

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thoraxe:

haha

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thoraxe:

well i don't have a nice tv

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thoraxe:

just an old sony crt

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mzb:

at least his is remote controlled! ;)

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iamlindoro:

Well then, by all means avoid making friends with anyone with a digital tuner card and an LCD, DLP, or 1080p projection display

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thoraxe:

ya, i only have one friend with a "nice" tv, and it's his roommates

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thoraxe:

because i don't consider a Vizio a "nice" tv... hahaha

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thoraxe:

i mean hell, i wasn't even watching digital cable until June of last year!

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thoraxe:

damn cars take all my money for nice tvs and nice videogames... but anyway

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thoraxe:

i'll run this script all night and see if it even works

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thoraxe:

if not i guess i'll give up on this bs blaster and get a real blaster

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thoraxe:

time for bed... thanks for all your help peoples

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** iamlindoro thinks the HD-PVR will become the new analog-capture-device of choice :) **

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iamlindoro:

SD? No problem! HD? No problem! Can I use it with xxxxxx box? Yes you can!

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iamlindoro:

Will it cure my gout? Yes!

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wagner:

will it make mythtv compile properly?

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iamlindoro:

Only you can prevent forest fires

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wagner:

what if a bear steals my matches?

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clever:

i keep a match hidden in my headphones:P

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iamlindoro:

My pants are on fire, you can use those

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gre2:

the mind is a terrible thing

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wagner:

you should put them out with your HD-PVR

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iamlindoro:

That's how they caught fire in the first place

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wagner:

did you shove it down your pants again?

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iamlindoro:

I wanted to plug my component cable into something

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justdave:

FYI, I got Myth on my Mac Mini working with the USB speakers... by uninstalling pulseaudio

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justdave:

works great under raw ALSA instead of the ALSA emulator in pulse :)

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iamlindoro:

yep, pulseaudio, wave of the fyootoor alright

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justdave:

was kinda funny, all the effects in GNOME worked fine on the USB, Totem (or whatever the default double-click for video files is) worked, too, but neither Myth nor mplayer would use it.

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justdave:

if I set the default to the onboard speakers, both myth and mplayer would play to the onboard speakers. If I set the default the USB audio, I got silence.

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wagner:

im having trouble getting mythtv/libs/libmythfreemheg/Programs.cpp compiled

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wagner:

its saying the crap in time.h is out of scope

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wagner:

fixed it, it was grabbing 'time.h'. when the functions i needed (and where i was looking) were in 'sys/time.h'

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mzb:

how do I pinpoint errors in an mpeg2 stream?

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mzb:

eg: error found at 17:42.12 (or similar) so that I can cut around it?

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wagner:

mythtv should just keep going until it picks up a good stream again

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wagner:

or are you trying to transcode?

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mzb:

the latter

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wagner:

bad ATSC/DVB reception? or faulty encoder card?

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mzb:

combination of problems

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mzb:

one particular tuner (DVB USB) doesn't like one particular channel ... but only noticeable under heavy load (3+ recordings)

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iamlindoro:

mzb: I've had some luck w/ streams mythtranscode chokes on w/ a demux/remux... There's a script on my user page in the wiki that works for me on my similarly broken MPEG-2 streams

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mzb:

I've since added a channel priority rule which should fix the problem ... but I've still got recordings that look ok, but can't be archived

[03:09:58]

mzb:

I can do a lossless transcode without problems (most of the time)

[03:10:12]

mzb:

(although the last one b0rked)

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, mine can't even do a lossless without running this script on them

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iamlindoro:

It's also only certain channels for me

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pointer:

I have a base install of debian etch on an athlon proc w/1.5GB mem. I have 2 PVR-500s. if i dd if=/dev/video0 of=/tmp/foo.mpg....then the video is fine...but when I watch liveTV with mythtv0.21 the video pauses every 1–3 seconds...any ideas where to poke around?

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iamlindoro:

playback profiles

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pointer:

kk

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pointer:

looking at them now

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, Page three, edit the profiles

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mzb:

iamlindoro, I've failed (passed?) the idiot test: where's your wiki page?

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Iamlindoro

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mzb:

heh, thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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mzb:

oh ... ffmpeg based ... that'd be right: ffmpeg is b0rk3d on the tuner backend atm!

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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mzb:

I'll see if a dist-upgrade helps

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pointer:

iamlindoro: any pointers on what good settings might be?

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iamlindoro:

If your machine is struggling with SD stuff, then trying the CPU-- type profiles might be a good first start

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iamlindoro:

Actually, "Slim" is probably a better idea

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pointer:

I'm trying slim....running mythfrontend on an MBP

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pointer:

w/3GB mem

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iamlindoro:

What happened to that Athlon you actually asked the question about

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iamlindoro:

If that machine is having trouble then I'd guess network issues/trying to run on wireless

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tank-man:

i had a athlon 1ghz w/ 512 ram w/ hauppage pvr250, ran sd content fine

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iamlindoro:

tank-man: That's the point

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pointer:

iamlindoro: that's the backend

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iamlindoro:

That he shouldn't have any issues at all with that

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pointer:

iamlindoro: things were happy with 0.20.1

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iamlindoro:

pointer: Your backend has nothing to do with the actual playback, besides serving it up

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tank-man:

are you running the same versions on the frontend as the backend?

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pointer:

iamlindoro: right...I was explaining that I didn't think it was an ivtv problem

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iamlindoro:

tank-man: He would have to

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pointer:

yup. 0.21

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iamlindoro:

tank-man: Since you can't connect one to the other

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pointer:

protocol version check

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pointer:

I tried using the "mac hardware accel" option...I still get laggy video

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pointer:

on the networking....the backend has an intel e1000....

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iamlindoro:

pointer: Presuming you are running frontend on OS X, then?

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pointer:

connected to a gigE switch ...with an 802.11N router (acting as a bridge in this case)

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wagner:

well unless you hosed something up horribly, it shouldnt be a network issue

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pointer:

iamlindoro: correct. OX S

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pointer:

OS X, rather

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pointer:

heh, it looks like the WRT350N may be horked

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wagner:

now im running into issues with a lack of lseek64

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wagner:

SUCCESS!!!

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clever:

you managed to netsplit us!

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wagner:

it only took manually stripping out every instance of 'lseek64' from the entire code base

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wagner:

the '#define' lines didnt seem to work

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wagner:

yeah, compiling mythtv on freebsd tends to do that

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wagner:

... sorry

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flouger:

man i fubared this install

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flouger:

had to go into mysql and grant access to what i thtought it should be connecting as

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flouger:

and do some chmods and owns

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wagner:

well chmods and owns are not typical

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wagner:

but setting up mysql is

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CNLiberal:

hello all...i am in need of some audio assistance

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CNLiberal:

i am running MythBuntu 8.04 with all the latest updates

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CNLiberal:

i have an audigy card using the digital output

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CNLiberal:

sound works for Xine and for MPLayer

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CNLiberal:

be it AC3 or normal PCM

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CNLiberal:

but in live TV i am not getting any sound

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CNLiberal:

these are my settings in setup

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CNLiberal:

Audio Output Device: ALSA:default

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CNLiberal:

Passthrough Output Device: ALSA:iec958:{ AES0 0x02 }

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CNLiberal:

I have enabled AC3 to SPDIF passthrough and DTS pass through

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CNLiberal:

the Mixer Device is ALSA:Default

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CNLiberal:

any one?

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CNLiberal:

should I just go to the list?

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flouger:

any trick on what i need to do so that other frontends can access the backend?

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wagner:

actually, im struggling through that myself

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CNLiberal:

i just got through it

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CNLiberal:

i was and am still having issues with that

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wagner:

it used to be relatively simple in <=0.20

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wagner:

you set up IPs, and give database access, do a bunch of other stuff

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CNLiberal:

my mythbackend doesn't start correctly (or potentially at all) on a boot

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wagner:

now you just give it a pin number and it autodetects and set up... incorrectly

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CNLiberal:

i just setup the static IP in my router...so that it does a static DHCP

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CNLiberal:

i chose no PIN number

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CNLiberal:

but put in the IP of the backend in the backend setup

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wagner:

im moving my primary backend, so i decided to use the new method

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wagner:

i know how to do it the old way

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flouger:

grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'*' identified by 'somepassword'

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flouger:

is that right

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wagner:

in the broadest sense, yes

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CNLiberal:

uhh...looks right

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wagner:

although you may want to limit database access somewhat

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wagner:

your local subnet, or add an entry to the specific machines that should be accessing it

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CNLiberal:

maybe just to your subnet

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wagner:

ah, figured it out

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wagner:

my sql server is run in a separate jail

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wagner:

so it listens on a different IP than my backend

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wagner:

but the backend accesses it through a fs pipe, so it was handing out its local ip as the sql server

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CNLiberal:

does anyone know why i'd be getting digital chatter noise when i watch OTA HD tv?

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CNLiberal:

i'm using ALSA:default for output and passthrough

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CNLiberal:

i have disabled the mixer

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wagner:

well i got it working

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wagner:

well, back to working anyway

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wagner:

seems it wont accept my domain names, only IP addresses

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wagner:

so now that ive got mythtv compiled on freebsd

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wagner:

and my master backend is moved over to my file server

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wagner:

i cant remember why ive wanted to do this for the past year

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flouger:

hmm boo pvr-350

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flouger:

making my life difficult

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wagner:

not much use in an mpeg decoder anyway, considering its so computationally cheap to do so anymore

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flouger:

i got it for 85

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flouger:

got it

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flouger:

hmm i had it set to an analog device

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flouger:

instead of

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flouger:

digital encoder

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wagner:

ah, yes... 'analog devices' are frame grabbers

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wagner:

they may have changed it, but i thought they had 'PVR-x50' as the example of the digital encoder in the dropdown

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flouger:

it autos to analog

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flouger:

that caught me up

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wagner:

weee... Total Space: 3,334,225 MB

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flouger:

is there any cable descramblers for mythtv?

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justinh:

flouger: nope, and talking about them here is not allowed

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mzb:

iamlindoro, awake? Not having much luck with the xport-based script.

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mzb:

can't get xport to accept a file!

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mzb:

I am looking now at using: mpegdemux -r

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Dibblah:

Oh, wow. GSOC projects do actually occasionally do something interesting. http://www.bitblit.org/gsoc/g3dvl/index.shtml

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directhex:

Dibblah, accelerated mpeg2 playback? whoa!

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Dibblah:

... Using GPGPU.

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Dibblah:

Acceleration all in the GPU – Color conversion, etc.

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EvilGuru:

Dibblah: Doesn't Xv support colour conversion?

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directhex:

as far as xvmc allows such things

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Dibblah:

EvilGuru: Yes. Ish.

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Dibblah:

directhex: No.

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Dibblah:

GPGPU – Not native hardware supported XVMC.

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directhex:

don't get me wrong, gpgpu video decoding is wonderful, but some of the design choices seem daft to me

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directhex:

"The purpose of this project will be to implement an XvMC front-end to handle as much of the video decoding pipeline as possible."

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directhex:

there are rather enormous limits on what the xvmc api allows

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EvilGuru:

I think the idea has merit — I believe ATI implemented shader-based video decoding on their X2900

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Dibblah:

It's extendable to offloading other expensive things.

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directhex:

which is why it sucks and vaapi is being worked on

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EvilGuru:

Dibblah: Anyone with a GPGPU capable card can probably handle MPEG2 I would have thought?

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Dibblah:

directhex: Once again, it's implementing xvmc as a client end API.

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directhex:

Dibblah, a shit one

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Dibblah:

And xvmc is not as limited as the Intel guys want you to believe.

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Dibblah:

It can accellerate things other than mpeg2.

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Dibblah:

However, there are no implementations that currently do.

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EvilGuru:

Dibblah: Compare it to DirectShow on Windows

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Dibblah:

EvilGuru: No thanks :)

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Dibblah:

Rather completely different, unfortunately.

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EvilGuru:

XvMC is poor in comparison with regards to what parts it can accelerate

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Dibblah:

DirectShow deals pretty much with the entire stack – From demuxing up.

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directhex:

directshow's got more in common with gstreamer. it's a framnework

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Dibblah:

Which means that it can offload a metric buttload more.

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EvilGuru:

I may be wrong on this, but doesn't XvMC not allow you to read the resulting frame back into memory?

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Dibblah:

No, it doesn't. Well, ish.

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Dibblah:

The current implementations of XVMC don't.

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Dibblah:

But that's really because the code is closed / not general purpose rather than a design limitation.

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EvilGuru:

As from what I have used of it, I was very limited with my choice of de-interlacing algorithms

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Dibblah:

Yes.

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Dibblah:

Bob or nothing :)

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Dibblah:

Whereas on Windows, it can do predictive :(

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EvilGuru:

The de-interlacing on Windows rocks (ATI and nVidia drivers anyway)

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justinh:

mornin

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rsdvd:

Hi justinh – I have just sent you an email :-)

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justinh:

rsdvd: yeah got it. sending today when I can find a sturdy packing box

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rsdvd:

Brilliant – thanks!

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avgj0e:

I use myth primarily for watching avi (ripped, downloaded, whatever). I've sorted them into directories within videoroot. is it possible to put thumbnails/posters on the directories?

[10:36:12]

directhex:

yes.

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directhex:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythVideo#Folder_Images

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avgj0e:

sheesh. thx

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avgj0e:

I thouhgt I'd stumbled on the rare impossibilty. :)

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avgj0e:

directhex: awesome. thanks

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justinh:

damn useless music download services – gonna have to record about 300 vinyl 12"s to cd

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willcooke:

justinh, try trackitdown- that saved me quite a lot of arseing about

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justinh:

do they do dance music?

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justinh:

derrrrrrrrr. yeah

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willcooke:

justinh, depends on your deffinition of "dance", :) Breaks, House, Techno, D&B, etc etc

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justinh:

they've got at least one record I've just been cleaning to get rid of surface noise :)

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willcooke:

justinh, they'll sell you a wav for a few tens of pence more – which is nice

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justinh:

bah they've not got FPI Project – Rich In Paradise though :(

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willcooke:

plus the embeded flash player and "other people bought" things are pretty goof as well

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willcooke:

goof/good

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willcooke:

Yeah – I've got a few bits I'm gonna HAVE to copy by hand, mainly white lables I picked up from god knows where

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justinh:

here ya go http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/b2b/b2b.png ;– needs drink promo stuff on though

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justinh:

fasck

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willcooke:

Sounds like a laugh!

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willcooke:

have you moved then?

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willcooke:

time to move offices......

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justinh:

nah not moved

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clever:

yay another coredump!

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clever:

thats weird

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clever:

even with the qt4-debug package, half the bt isnt even in a function

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J_t_M:

Hi guys, I'm having persistent problems ripping a "good" copy from DVD, but Perfect and ISO both work fine. Here's the text I get: 13:58:42: transcode command will be: transcode -i /var/lib/mythdvd/temp/DISK/vob/ -g 720x576 -M 1 -V -j 0,16,0,16 -B 5,0 -y xvid -w 1618 -o /home/Media/Films/DISK.avi --print_status 20 --color 0 /////// 14:08:20: Error: DVDPerfectThread read failed for 287 blocks at 2698810 /////// 14:08:29: job

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J_t_M1:

I raised a ticket for it http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5422

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jarle:

Could anybody help remind me which command line option to use to specify the theme to be used?

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justinh:

-O Theme="themename"

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jarle:

justinh: thnx, I forgot to store it the last time you gave me the same answer... :)

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MinDKrime:

anyone in here running centos ?

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raslac:

hi folks – just wanted to follow up with my spdif passthrough on intel-hda (ALC883) problems.. I finally found the clue in http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/225991 I had to set my audio output device as "ALSA:iec958:CARD=0,AES0=0x6,AES1=0x82,AES2=0x0,AES3=0x2". That makes everything work like a charm.

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dustybin:

justinh: if i mac mini 1.8 can 'just' about play a BBC HD h.264 broadcast, what hope does it have playing h.264 what isnt broadcast? Would it be better to go for the mac mini c2d 2.0 version instead of 1.8 ?

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dustybin:

*A

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justinh:

maybe but -skiploopfilter helps loads

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dustybin:

justinh: even with skiploopfilter the 1.8 CPU was maxed out

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MinDKrime:

raslac: here?

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MinDKrime:

You got it working?

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raslac:

yes!

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keith4:

dustybin: might want to wait and see if they update the mini today ;-)

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MinDKrime:

congrats

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MinDKrime:

I did not :(

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raslac:

tested with DVD and live ATSC broadcast.. MythMusic froze on me when it loaded, though =)

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dustybin:

keith4: why today?

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keith4:

it's keynote day

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dustybin:

?!

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MinDKrime:

So you have that whole string in the passthrough?

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keith4:

dustybin: http://www.macrumorslive.com/

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raslac:

no, I have it as the audio device, and Default as passthrough (which means it uses the same as audio device)

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MinDKrime:

ahh

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MinDKrime:

you do that with asound.conf

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MinDKrime:

??

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directhex:

dustybin, non-broadcast HD is less taxing on the ol' CPU

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directhex:

dustybin, they can make up for CPU-hungry snazzy compression with moar bits

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raslac:

MinDKrime: no, no asound.conf or .asoundrc

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raslac:

the Default thing for passthrough is just how it works in mythtv

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raslac:

if you wanted a DIFFERENT device for passthrough, you'd specify something else for passthrough.

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MinDKrime:

humm

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MinDKrime:

if i select ALSA:default I get nothing

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MinDKrime:

if I select /dev/dsp it works in stero only

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MinDKrime:

stereo

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raslac:

for passthrough it needs "Default" (no ALSA, and capital D)

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MinDKrime:

ok

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MinDKrime:

what about the normal output?

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dustybin:

directhex: so a 1.8 would be sufficient? how much head room roughly is left on the CPU cores on a 1.8 playing h.264 broadcast HD?

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raslac:

the normal output is the big string I have

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MinDKrime:

Waa

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directhex:

dustybin, not much

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MinDKrime:

well I know i have nto tried that

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MinDKrime:

ROFL

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dustybin:

directhex: do you rekon i should go for the C2D 2.0 ghz version instead just incase

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raslac:

that was what I said when I tried it.. And it workeD!

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directhex:

dustybin, i would

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dustybin:

aye ok

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MinDKrime:

I will try that today for sure

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raslac:

dustybin: I'd wait a day to see if they annouce new minis

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MinDKrime:

thank you :)

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dustybin:

aye ill wait for that too raslac

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wagner:

dustybin: ive got a 2.2 C2D (800MHz bus, 2MB cache)

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dustybin:

i wonder what the fastest mobile c2d speed there is out there

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raslac:

then if they do, you can either get a new one, or a 2.0 for cheaper

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dustybin:

ok

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wagner:

ive not tried it under linux, but under windows, a 17mbps h264 stream uses 60–65%

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dustybin:

thats not bad

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wagner:

thats not broadcast HD, but its samples off the x264 website

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wagner:

using ffdshow

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dustybin:

i didnt realise broadcast h.264 uses up 'more' cpu than non-broadcast h.264, its all down to compression

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dustybin:

ok

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wagner:

well theres CABAC and CAVLC, CABAC uses less space but more CPU

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wagner:

other than that, CPU usage is proportional to the bitrate, higher bitrate, more cpu

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dustybin:

i downloaded a 1080P .mkv film just for testing, it plays on my pentium 3.2 but it keeps on stuttering

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dustybin:

ill test that on my mac mini once i get one

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dustybin:

a .mkv contained a 5.1 surround soundtrack too

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wagner:

my core2 is twice the power of that p4 on most tasks

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dustybin:

jeeze

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dustybin:

what is the highest possible CPU usage for HD, what kind of file specs could i use to test a box?

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directhex:

the bbc hd sample is ab out as nasty as it gets

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wagner:

bluray at 30–40mbps is going to be as nasty as it gets

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dustybin:

it would be broadcast 1080P h.264 i guess? but that doesnt exist?

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dustybin:

ok

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wagner:

any reason why the backend IPs (first page in first section, mythtv-setup) cant handle computer names?

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dustybin:

there is no way to play a bluray file from a disc on linux, it needs to be ripped and processed, so that might mean it will use less CPU than it would if it was playing directly from the disc

[15:04:28]

justinh:

yep

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justinh:

wagner: myth doesn't do dns lookups

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wagner:

that sucks

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justinh:

static IP addresses ftw!

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wagner:

static IPs negate the entire purpose of my DNS server

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dustybin:

DHCP ftw but make sure the DHCP server assigns the 'same' ip > mac address on all your machines

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wagner:

i moved my primary backend onto my file server last night, and spent half an hour trying to figure out why the frontend couldnt connect to 'fserve:6543'

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GreyFoxx:

Well...the field names specifically say "IP Address" :)

[15:09:58]

wagner:

yeah, i figured that out after a while

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wagner:

mythweb and the local frontends worked fine though

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directhex:

static dhcp roolz ko

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wagner:

GreyFoxx, iamlindoro mentioned you had mythtv running on freebsd?

[15:34:49]

wagner:

ive got in running right now as the primary backend (no tuners), and i just wanted to know if you noticed any stability issues

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GreyFoxx:

wag: Actually I had it running on OpenBSD, but only as a Frontend

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GreyFoxx:

every once in a while I go through the code and apply the patches to trunk to make sure it compiles under OpenBSD, but it';s been a whil;e

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wagner:

ah, well there were a few bits of code i had to change to get it compiled

[15:37:08]

wagner:

instances of off64_t, lseek64, and some incorrect libraries

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wagner:

incorrect header files rather

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GreyFoxx:

feel free to do up a patch and put it into trac, I'll take a look

[15:38:28]

wagner:

ill have to go back and figure out how to do it cleanly

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wagner:

after dicking around with the present ifdefs and defines, i gave up and just did a find/replace on the entire tree for lseek64

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leprechau:

gnome upgrade....brb...

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tty01:

can someone tell me if i need more than 1 tv tuner card if i want to run my backend and frontend all on 1 server?

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wagner:

you only need more than one tuner card if you want to record more than one thing at a time (or record while watching live tv)

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tty01:

yeah i wanna watch tv while recording possibly

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wagner:

well you can watch the channel youre recording, and on DTV, you can catch anything in the same multiplex, but otherwise, you need two tuners

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directhex:

tty01, if you have analog tv, you need 1 tuner per concurrent tune (e.g. one recording, one livetv)

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tty01:

dont have analog

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tty01:

so coaxial cable would go into tuner card 1 and another coaxial from tuner card 2 going to my dtv box?

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directhex:

with digital, you need one tuner per concurrent tune, but channels are bunched into multiplexes, so one frequency carries a few channels (where you can watch those multiple channels at once with a single card)

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wagner:

for instance, PBS in my area broadcasts half a dozen channels

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wagner:

i can record all of them with a single tuner

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tty01:

i see....like how dtv has like multiple hbo channels

[15:47:40]

wagner:

QAM (cable) puts multiple channels on the same frequency so if you can record all of them on a single tuner

[15:48:07]

wagner:

HBO is probably all HD, so they can probably only fit 2–3 on one channel

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tty01:

some of them are not all

[15:49:06]

wagner:

anyway, whats this about coaxial between a tuner can dtv box?

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tty01:

from what i understand...if im recording and watching tv at the same time...if i change the channel on the dtv box it wont change on the channel thats being recorded...is that correct?

[15:49:36]

wagner:

if you have the card connected directly to the cable line, that is correct

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wagner:

if you are doing an analog capture through your cable box, you record whatever the cable box sees

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tty01:

my box is digital

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tty01:

dtv cable box

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wagner:

yes it is, but you would capture it through the video outs (or through firewire)

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raslac:

wagner: off topic – it's a shame your PBS is splitting so many multiplexed channels.. HD Nova or Nature really has to be suffering for you because of that.

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tty01:

im just trying to figure out how my dtv cable box is going to get signal if the coaxial is going to the tuner card

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wagner:

tty01: get a cable splitter

[15:51:25]

wagner:

one coaxial input, 2–8 coaxial outputs

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tty01:

did you try dtv on a splitter?

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wagner:

raslac: they have one HD channel, the rest are SD

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tty01:

they warned against it when they installed it for me

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wagner:

digital cable is a broadcast, just like analog cable

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raslac:

wagner: even then, those SD sub channels are taking bandwidth

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wagner:

a splitter is no issue as long as you dont split it so low you get insufficient signal

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tty01:

so why would i need 2 tuner cards if i want to watch tv while recording?

[15:53:26]

wagner:

one to record, the other to watch tv through

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tty01:

isnt that what the splitter is for?

[15:54:02]

wagner:

well you can watch tv through the cable box as you record on mythtv

[15:54:10]

wagner:

we were assuming you would watch tv through mythtv

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tty01:

argh this thing is confusing....i thought after i record something i thought i could stream it through my regular video card

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tty01:

out to tv

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wagner:

if you are recording the same thing you want to watch, you only need one tuner

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tty01:

does mythtv need to be installed on a frontend? or can it be streamed over something like http?

[15:58:28]

wagner:

it can be streamed to a remote frontend through the mythtv protocol

[15:58:44]

Dagmar:

For pete's sake

[15:58:47]

wagner:

it can be streamed to any DNLA box through UPnP

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wagner:

if can be streamed over http using mythweb

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Dagmar:

tty01: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview

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wagner:

always taking the easy route... :P

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Dagmar:

Of course.

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tty01:

lol

[15:59:47]

wagner:

im going to work

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tty01:

thanks guys

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tty01:

guess i got some reading to do

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Dagmar:

Pfft. Maybe 10 minutes' worth

[16:00:07]

Dagmar:

It's not a long document.

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Dagmar:

It should give you a clear idea of how the thing works tho

[16:00:28]

tty01:

yeah im just getting confused on the hardware setup

[16:00:34]

tty01:

trial and error i guess

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Dagmar:

It'll get easier

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tty01:

hey dagmar any specific tuner card you would recommend?

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tty01:

the wiki page doesnt suggest specific one

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dreadful_great:

i have some files in my recorded videos section that won't delete. it says "error this file does not exist"

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dreadful_great:

they look like they're a few frames of junk... there's like 6 of them and it's annoying to have them listed

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Anduin:

dreadful_great: exist the watch recordings screen, come back in and delete them

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dreadful_great:

Anduin: tried it, but to no avail

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MinDKrime:

OK I need to find a new sound card that has optical out that will do passthrough.

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MinDKrime:

any suggestions?

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iamlindoro__:

I'm going to go with "any sound card with an optical out."

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iamlindoro__:

Reiser to reveal location of body. Now the FS *really* needs a new name

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jblack:

iamlindoro__: Whoah, you're serious.

[16:44:22]

MinDKrime:

iamlindoro__: nope CK804 is not support

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MinDKrime:

that is from the ASLA user mailing list

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MinDKrime:

reason "no documentation"

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iamlindoro__:

MinDKrime, ok, then how about "any sound card with an optical out that people actually hear about and can buy in stores"

[16:45:22]

iamlindoro__:

Since pretty much everything you can actually go *buy* in supported just fine

[16:45:33]

iamlindoro__:

s/in/is

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MinDKrime:

:)

[16:46:30]

MinDKrime:

ok, i was just looking for suggestion from people whom may have it working.

[16:46:39]

iamlindoro__:

Anyway, I've had good luck with all the turtle beach cards, and all onboard Intel

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raslac:

MinDKrime: I think most of the trouble peopel have is with the on-board chipsets.. I think most of the PCI devices work as advertised

[16:47:01]

MinDKrime:

raslac: thx

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MinDKrime:

iamlindoro__: I was looking at the turtle beach

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MinDKrime:

raslac: is your onboard?

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raslac:

yeah – an ALC883

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EvilGuru:

iamlindoro__: Just means Reiser fancies himself as Columbo

[16:48:03]

iamlindoro__:

EvilGuru, He's batman!

[16:48:03]

EvilGuru:

(do you have a source on it, BTW?)

[16:48:21]

MinDKrime:

raslac: ok I think I will be getting the turtle beach

[16:48:34]

MinDKrime:

I just hate using my last PCI

[16:48:41]

iamlindoro__:

EvilGuru, just the /. story-- though from reading it now it looks more like he's been offered that deal and he hasn't actually *accepted* it..... /. strikes again!

[16:49:04]

iamlindoro__:

EvilGuru, http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/hans-reiser-off.html

[16:49:17]

EvilGuru:

The more important question: have the found the seat?

[16:49:30]

iamlindoro__:

Nar

[16:49:52]

iamlindoro__:

It wouldn't totally surprise me if it was holding her down in a body of water somewhere, though

[16:50:11]

raslac:

hrm, MinDKrime: check this out – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Sound_card

[16:50:21]

raslac:

your CK804 is mentioned

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EvilGuru:

Amateurs, why did he not burn/acidify/treat with washing detergent

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iamlindoro__:

There's also an ubuntu bug that mentiones the CK804 as working (although having trouble with a particular kernel package)

[16:51:12]

MinDKrime:

yea, i tried everything i can see..

[16:51:23]

MinDKrime:

it is listed on ALSA digital out wiki too

[16:52:22]

MinDKrime:

AC3 passthrough is not supported on nVidia AC'97 controllers if the

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MinDKrime:

SPDIF output is not handled by the AC'97 codec. The controller chip

[16:52:22]

MinDKrime:

probably supports it, but we have no documentation.

[16:52:27]

MinDKrime:

sorry

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raslac:

yeah – I was about to say – the page I linked mentioned the ck804, but not together with spdif :)

[16:53:21]

MinDKrime:

that is what is on the ALSA user list. But I am unsure what that really mean (the AC'97 codec part)

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MinDKrime:

means*

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MinDKrime:

so i think I better off getting a new card.

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abqjp:

mjj29, all the cable and satellite STBs I have ever uses pass full resolution HD on the component outputs.

[16:53:54]

MinDKrime:

cheaper that spending week on this :)

[16:54:15]

raslac:

Agreed, MinDKrime.. That's what I finally did for the onboard video on this one, too :)

[16:54:24]

mjj29:

abqjp: then it's not DRM'd per-se

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MinDKrime:

:)

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MinDKrime:

well turtle beach here i come....

[16:54:42]

MinDKrime:

:D

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mjj29:

but I mainly was thinking about HD-DVD/Blueray

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raslac:

spent a few days, and couldn't get component output going, bought a $30 nvidia card and it worked out of box

[16:54:51]

abqjp:

Right. If the box tried to capture via HDMI instead of component, then you would have to deal with HDCP.

[16:54:52]

mjj29:

rather than satellite/cable

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MinDKrime:

raslac: :D

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abqjp:

mjj29, In that case, it gets expensive. You would need a HDMI to Component converter to then feed the HD-PVR.

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raslac:

now my next trick is to figure out why MythMusic has started freezing when it starts.

[16:56:03]

MinDKrime:

I am looking for a support card for alsa :D

[16:56:05]

mjj29:

abqjp: I'd rather have a PVR that took a digital input

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mjj29:

going to component and then digitising again = lose

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abqjp:

So would I. Not going to happen because of the MPAA.

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abqjp:

The only reason the MPAA has allowed the HD-PVR into existence is because of the resulting loss.

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mjj29:

mmm

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Dagmar:

Pffft

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Dagmar:

That's highly questionable.

[16:58:00]

mjj29:

well, not like they can do anything about it

[16:58:15]

mjj29:

it doesn't decrypt anything

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Dagmar:

That's where you'd be wrong.

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raslac:

MinDKrime: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main

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abqjp:

Like with Blu-ray, the MPAA could start requiring all STBs to downrez component outputs.

[16:58:38]

MinDKrime:

just foudn that thx :)

[16:58:43]

MinDKrime:

found*

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mjj29:

abqjp: oh, yes, but that isn't shutting down the HD-PVR, just making it pointless

[16:58:56]

abqjp:

Right.

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Dagmar:

Exactly

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Dagmar:

Making it useless == kills it dead

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iamlindoro__:

In some ways, the component outs of my STB is *better* than my firewire captures-- The error correction on the STB is *much* better than libavcodec's, resulting in far fewer dropouts, pops, and artifacting

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iamlindoro__:

where the STB = my experience with my cable co's STBs, and not speaking for all STBs everywhere

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iamlindoro__:

I'll take the tiny (and I mean *tiny*) bit of softness from the conversion if I can avoid the fairly frequent dropouts I see sometimes.

[17:01:19]

raslac:

MinDKrime: it looks like the ones that have spdif working have tags of [RCAo] (or RCAio for in/out)

[17:01:23]

abqjp:

I will take it just to improve what I get from my pvr-500.

[17:01:41]

EvilGuru:

I do think it would be sad if the only way to capture output would be: HDMI -> DVI -> VGA -> Component then to a HD-PVR

[17:01:56]

abqjp:

In a future near you.

[17:01:59]

EvilGuru:

raslac: I will need to check, but isn't RCA I/IO analogue RCA connects

[17:02:32]

EvilGuru:

Nope, I'm wrong

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raslac:

http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Tag-RCAo

[17:02:46]

raslac:

oops, pasted that late

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mjj29:

EvilGuru: well, strictly speaking you can just strip the HDCP. It's been thoroughly broken

[17:02:58]

Dagmar:

EvilGuru: Don't forget that HDCP-compliant HDMI devices will *downsample* content to 720p if HDCP is not present

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mjj29:

it's just illegal in any WIPO-signatory country

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abqjp:

Dagmar, 720p? I though it went all the way down to 480p.

[17:04:00]

Dagmar:

It might well be doing that by now

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Dagmar:

Either way, I'm not about to let some jackass technical measure screw with my fair use

[17:04:20]

MinDKrime:

i dont see Turtle Beach RIVIERA anywhere

[17:04:22]

MinDKrime:

:(

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EvilGuru:

Though, you would not really be able to sell such a stripper, so it would need to be cheap/easy enough for a hobbiest to do (like with macrovision removal circuits)

[17:04:35]

iamlindoro__:

Dagmar, the ICT is only a part of Blu-ray and HD-DVD standards, though... not all HDCP devices

[17:04:41]

Dagmar:

Mindkrime: That means if you already have it, you get to learn a lot about ALSA

[17:04:56]

MinDKrime:

hehe

[17:05:06]

MinDKrime:

well I am looking to NOT to learn about ALSA

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: I really doubt they're going to leave it at just that if they can

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Dagmar:

MinDKrime: Then you should maybe try ##Windows

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iamlindoro__:

Dagmar, oh no doubt they will attempt to expand it :)

[17:05:26]

MinDKrime:

a week of fighting it. I just want a card that works :)

[17:05:37]

MinDKrime:

Dagmar: :D

[17:05:42]

MinDKrime:

Dagmar: No thank you....

[17:05:46]

Dagmar:

So buy one that's on the list of completely supported cards.

[17:05:54]

iamlindoro__:

Dagmar, The good news is things like the HDFury are HDCP-compliant peers and can preserve your schweet schweet 1080p :)

[17:06:38]

MinDKrime:

that is what I am looking at now :)

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Dagmar:

I dont' see how they pulled that off

[17:07:20]

Dagmar:

One of the requirements of HDCP is that the recieving device has to prevent copying

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iamlindoro__:

Dagmar, I think it's heavily grey-market

[17:08:04]

Dagmar:

Just... wow....

[17:08:20]

iamlindoro__:

Git' 'em while they exist, folks

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Dagmar:

""I am so glad I did my homework and found this device through Curt Palme's site. This saved me from upgrading to a HDMI projector. I can now take full advantage of the 1080P upscaling for standard DVD on my Samsung Bluray player and my HD movies look absolutely amazing." <-- this person would probably believe that bright blue cables give him a better picture as well

[17:09:15]

iamlindoro__:

Heh

[17:09:29]

iamlindoro__:

Oh, stevenote!

[17:09:41]

** EvilGuru is yet to understand what is so impressive about up-scalers **

[17:09:42]

iamlindoro__:

Heh, "We're talking about the iPhone this morning"

[17:09:45]

iamlindoro__:

DUH!

[17:09:57]

Dagmar:

EvilGuru: Well, they sound very fancy, don't they

[17:10:09]

PatrickDK:

not really

[17:10:19]

Dagmar:

They do to people who watch TV instead of reading

[17:10:25]

raslac:

in three parts, even, ianlindoro__

[17:10:51]

EvilGuru:

People seem to be paying good money for upscaling DVD players, yet I can not see how they do anything else but re-size a bitmap

[17:12:01]

Dagmar:

That's all they do

[17:12:10]

Dagmar:

They generally don't have the brains to realize the TV upscales their crap anyway

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GreyFoxx:

well to be fair, some TV's scaling looks like shit

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raslac:

or they have cheap LCD TVs with 30" 768-line displays

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GreyFoxx:

mine looks like shit, but since the mythbox handles the scaling it looks gorgeous

[17:13:18]

Dagmar:

Pfft. Mine's a 768 line display, but I don't expect it to display 1080

[17:13:24]

Dagmar:

It looks fine with everything else I throw at it

[17:14:11]

Dagmar:

With the cable and satellite providers (to a lesser degree) reencoding everything, the exact pixel resolution doesn't amount to a whole lot anyway

[17:15:22]

raslac:

one reason I don't do cable or satellite TV – they all look like crap

[17:16:37]

** GreyFoxx thinks the fan in his projector needs to be oiled or something **

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Dagmar:

Wow mediacoder is crap

[17:17:16]

Dagmar:

Well, at least it lets me pillage the CLI invocations it uses...

[17:17:55]

Dagmar:

I'm going to take a shot at dropping a custom user job on my box that will transcode to xvid and crop out the letterboxing on Scifi

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erpo:

My myth box crashed and I had to recover a couple of mysql tables. Now navigating the guide interface is painfully slow. How can I fix this?

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Dagmar:

http://www.google.com/search?q=repair+mysql+database

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erpo:

I already repaired the database.

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Dagmar:

Your other option is to restore from a backup you probably didn't make.

[17:30:07]

erpo:

No, I didn't back up my television.

[17:30:41]

erpo:

So my only option is to reinstall.

[17:31:20]

Dagmar:

If you don't see anything important coming out of the backend's logs, then yeah

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whoDat_:

who else here gets HD through firewire?

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EvilGuru:

erpo: Dump database, re-import

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iamlindoro__:

I do

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iamlindoro__:

^^6 Not an offer to help fix yours

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erpo:

EvilGuru: I don't think the tables are corrupted or anything, so what good would it do to dump and re-import the same data?

[17:34:13]

EvilGuru:

erpo: Maybe not, however, it is still worth a try, at least then it will eliminate the database as a source of issues

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GreyFoxx:

whodat: I do

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erpo:

EvilGuru: That would do more than using mysqlcheck?

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EvilGuru:

erpo: Like I said, it is worth a try (a one liner will probably do the job)

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erpo:

EvilGuru: I think I'll probably go straight to the reinstall since I know that will work. But I appreciate the suggestion!

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EvilGuru:

Re-install will take an hour plus. This will take 5 minutes!

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iamlindoro__:

Mmmm, swatting flies with an elephant gun, fun

[17:37:32]

oCLioN:

anyone here from sweden ?

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whoDat_:

iamlindoro: lol. was just wondering if you noticed that firewire HD seems to take a lot more cpu cycles than OTA HD

[17:39:01]

oCLioN:

i have a problem .. my TVprovider has changed from ZTV to TV6 on channel 11 . i dont mind that its TV6 . but as it is now it downloads the programinfo from ZTV .. how do i change that, so it downloads info from TV6 ?

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iamlindoro__:

whoDat_, Do you mean recording or playback? In both cases, no, seems the same-ish to me. In fact, OTA is usually higher bitrate and should be slightly more CPU-intensive

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erpo:

EvilGuru: I don't know how to dump and restore the database, so it will take much longer than 5 minutes.

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whoDat_:

iamlindoro: ok, good to know. must be something with my system. for instance when having it on livetv on the firewire hd channel the channel guide reacts with a delay when paging through the channels on it.

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iamlindoro__:

whoDat_, That is likely due to the fact that you have dozens if not hundreds of Firewire channels, and just a few OTA ones

[17:41:26]

whoDat_:

nah i just have 6 on there

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iamlindoro__:

no idea then

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whoDat_:

but about 400 channels total

[17:42:05]

iamlindoro__:

The program guide is slow, period. You shouldn't expect blazing fast regardless

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EvilGuru:

erpo: Not hard, mysqldump will get you a dump .sql file, you then can delete the current tables (DROP TABLE ...), finally do something like: mysql -ufoo -p thedatabase < thedumpfile.sql

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whoDat_:

iamlindoro: i am around 2.3 when watching HD for the cpu . how bout u?

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iamlindoro__:

whoDat_, That'll be apples and oranges unless you and I have the same CPU

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iamlindoro__:

And the same bitrate material

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iamlindoro__:

which is really unlikely

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whoDat_:

i was just wanting to know what the load was on yours

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iamlindoro__:

whoDat_, Why? It won't mean anything to you as it's relative to the CPU. For reference, I can watch any HD material never going more than 40% on a single core. But it still won't mean anything to you as we likely have different hardware.

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iamlindoro__:

s/any HD material/any television or broadcast HD material/

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whoDat_:

just trying to guage what the peak acceptable load would be before mythtv UI/etc starts lagging.

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whoDat_:

but I see what your saying

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erpo:

EvilGuru: Didn't fix it.

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EvilGuru:

Ah well, worth a try :(

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Dagmar:

Well, there's always log files to look at for hints

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erpo:

There's nothing good in there. Already checked.

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oCLioN:

i have a problem .. my TVprovider has changed from ZTV to TV6 on channel 11 . i dont mind that its TV6 . but as it is now it downloads the programinfo from ZTV .. how do i change that, so it downloads info from TV6 ?

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iamlindoro__:

oCLioN, change the xmltv ID #'s around in the channel editor.

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iamlindoro__:

then run mythfilldatabase with --refresh-all

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nacknick:

hi

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nacknick:

anyone heard of this?? http://www.premiumtvforpc.com/

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nacknick:

is it legit or something?

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iamlindoro__:

No.

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nacknick:

then I shouldn't need MythTv at all

[18:13:52]

iamlindoro__:

Inasmuch as "charging to download torrents" is not legal

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Dagmar:

That would make you not our problem, altogether then wouldn't it

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nacknick:

no as not legit or as never heard

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iamlindoro__:

No as in illegal and not welcome talk here

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Dagmar:

If your parents didn't teach you to recognize something "too good to be true" and treat it accordingly, there's nothing I can say that's going to dissuade you.

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nacknick:

those are torrents??

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iamlindoro__:

No as in someone charging you to put you in touch with bittorrent trackers and a fool and his money are soon parted

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nacknick:

says a guy gotta come and do one time installation

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Dagmar:

They're saying up front that they're giving you premium content for free.

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Dagmar:

Do you often visit websites that offer to give you cash money for free?

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nacknick:

oh alright

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nacknick:

my bad

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Dagmar:

I don't mean to sound jaded, but a glance at that site and what it's promising tells me there's no way in hell it's on the level

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nacknick:

I agree just wanted an expert opinon

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EvilGuru:

"This software will not allow you to watch any paid or subscription television services. You will be able to access public channels only." — yet it claims to give access to 540 UK channels. Can people really fall for this?

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Dagmar:

Well, since they can't afford to hire someone who can design a web layout that doesn't make my eyes feel scraped with a rasp, probably not *many* people fall for it.

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Dagmar:

One problem with the Internet is that it reaches so many people there's *always* some people stupid enough.

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EvilGuru:

A fool and his money are lucky enough to get together in the first place

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oCLioN:

iamlindoro .. i have changed the xlmtv # .. but it doesnt take in that chan anyhow ;(

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oCLioN:

can the xmltv be 2 old ?

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sphery:

oCLioN: Did you do http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 ? You may have garbage in your DB that's preventing your changes from working.

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sphery:

BTW, just the video sources part is required.

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oCLioN:

hmm .. ill chekc

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oCLioN:

there is no such thing as mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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iamlindoro__:

sure there is

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iamlindoro__:

unless you're using some version of myth I'm unfamiliar with

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jams:

iamlindoro- the hdpvr showed up on time. Have not done anything besides open the box

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Lt_Dan:

anyone know the progess of linux drivers for the hd-pvr?

[18:57:33]

iamlindoro__:

jams, Nice. Sadly it's all one can do right now :)

[18:57:41]

iamlindoro__:

Lt_Dan, In progress, should be something very very soon

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Lt_Dan:

i've got my laptop rigged up next to our bigscreen to capture via windows

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oCLioN:

iamlindoro . is there a way to find out how old my xmltv is ?

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Lt_Dan:

iamlindoro. thx

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jams:

the plastic case is kinda amusing

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oCLioN:

its a really old system .. havent kept updating it

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oCLioN:

its atleast half a year since i updated anything

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iamlindoro__:

oCLioN, mythfilldatabase is what you care about... what version of myth are you running?

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oCLioN:

were can i see that =

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oCLioN:

pardon my lameness

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iamlindoro__:

mythbackend --version

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oCLioN:

0.18.1.20050510–1

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iamlindoro__:

holy shit

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oCLioN:

betting thats AGES ago

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iamlindoro__:

updte your myth, dude

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Lt_Dan:

wow.. that's old skool

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iamlindoro__:

we are at .21... your myth is several years old

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Lt_Dan:

oCLioN is kicking old school

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oCLioN:

i havent dared

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oCLioN:

i know .. but i am like SHIT i dont want to risk anythin since im lame

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oCLioN:

so i havent tryed

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oCLioN:

i build this with a buddy of mine . he is dead ..

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iamlindoro__:

just backup your Database and if you had to you could roll back...

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Lt_Dan:

backups are your friend

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oCLioN:

so .. im like KEEEP IT AND DREAM IT HOLDS ;)

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iamlindoro__:

oCLioN, or install fresh with Mythbuntu

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Lt_Dan:

then you can try some of the all in ones

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Lt_Dan:

like knoppmyth or mythbuntu

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oCLioN:

hmm .. trying with a backup/update first . .to much other valuables on this computer

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iamlindoro__:

If you've kept a .18 system running all this time then you should have little trouble with one of the myth distros

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oCLioN:

is it even POSSIBLE to update from .18 to 21 ?

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iamlindoro__:

Sure

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iamlindoro__:

All that matters is the database

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oCLioN:

hmm . then i dont risk much .. just update the database .. and go then right ?

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iamlindoro__:

Which will be upgraded to the current schema the first time you run the backend or mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro__:

Just back up what you've got, that's the most important thing

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oCLioN:

hmm .. its mythconverg that is the mythdb right ?

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iamlindoro__:

yes

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oCLioN:

ok ..

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oCLioN:

then easyest way to update ? . .emerge mythtv -update ?

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Lt_Dan:

are you gentoo?

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oCLioN:

yea

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Lt_Dan:

emerge -av mythtv

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iamlindoro__:

#gentoo-mythtv is probably the place for that kind of help

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Lt_Dan:

this will let you look over the options and ask if you're sure first

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Lt_Dan:

the use flags might've changed over the years

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oCLioN:

ah . there is such a chan

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oCLioN:

not aloth of ppl there though

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Lt_Dan:

oCLioN, you may have some growing pains

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Lt_Dan:

if you haven't updated gentoo itself in that time (emerge --sync)

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oCLioN:

hehe .. u think ;)

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oCLioN:

i havent done SHIT to this computer ;(

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oCLioN:

its like always been there

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Lt_Dan:

sorry to stray into genoo on the myth channel but you can get into a chicken-and-egg

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oCLioN:

wirjung

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iamlindoro__:

oCLioN, it might be better to back up the DB and do a fresh install with fresh *everything*, then insert your DB and run the backend to update it

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Lt_Dan:

emerge --sync can update portage beyond the installed version of portage can understand

[19:07:52]

Lt_Dan:

iamlindoro is right

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Lt_Dan:

you just wanna mysqldump your DB

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iamlindoro__:

I'll defer to Lt_Dan on gentoo matters, however, as I've never run myth on it :)

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Lt_Dan:

and install something like mythbuntu, re-import your DB, then run mythtv-setup

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Lt_Dan:

make sure your recordings are at the same mount point will help

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Lt_Dan:

i used to run all our myth box on gentoo.. then recently went to mythbuntu on all but one

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oCLioN:

oki

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oCLioN:

but what the hell . if i try to update .. it MIGHT work . if not . then mythbunto

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oCLioN:

buntu

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oCLioN:

right ?

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oCLioN:

if i have backed up db anyhow

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Lt_Dan:

yeah, like iamlindoro said.. the DB is the important part

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oCLioN:

well that one is updated

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Lt_Dan:

best to mysldump it to an sql file like the myth docs

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oCLioN:

the problem with reinstall is that i got like 20 different domains on the same machine . dont wanna redo alot of shit

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EvilGuru:

Does anyone else notice a difference between the quality of BBC channels, and that of ones such as Five US/More4 on Freeview?

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oCLioN:

mythbuntu . can that handle a DVB card ?

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iamlindoro__:

yep

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Lt_Dan:

20 domains?

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oCLioN:

is it easy to set up ?

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iamlindoro__:

incredibly easy

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EvilGuru:

oCLioN: Quite easy

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Lt_Dan:

with most hardware mythbuntu "just works"

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oCLioN:

hmm .. then i just might skip the one i got and build a new computer

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oCLioN:

with a dvbcard

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Lt_Dan:

on one of mine, though, the default kernel wouldn't work with a dvb card and an old bttv card

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oCLioN:

and get ALL channels

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Lt_Dan:

in the same machine..

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oCLioN:

any recommendations on dvb cards ?

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iamlindoro__:

Which DVB?

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iamlindoro__:

S/T/C?

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oCLioN:

good question .. cable COMHEM in sweden ..

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iamlindoro__:

DVB-C then

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oCLioN:

yea .. thats giht

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oCLioN:

right

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oCLioN:

even

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iamlindoro__:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-C_Devices

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iamlindoro__:

that will show you what is compatible with linux, and therefore what will work in Myth

[19:17:01]

oCLioN:

heh . .update wasnt possible though .. like 124 files that couldnt update at the same time

[19:17:14]

Lt_Dan:

yeah.....

[19:17:47]

Lt_Dan:

mysqldump time.....

[19:18:00]

Lt_Dan:

and in the meantime, get mythbuntu downloading

[19:18:16]

oCLioN:

life was so much easyer on fedoratime

[19:19:01]

Lt_Dan:

here's one if you want to just let it ride: centos

[19:19:13]

iamlindoro__:

When you see all the things your new system can do under mythbuntu, you won't think so :)

[19:19:15]

Lt_Dan:

it's redhat (and thus fedora-like)

[19:19:43]

Lt_Dan:

and centos is VERY slow at releases (since redhat is),

[19:19:56]

Lt_Dan:

easier for axel thimm to keep packages for it

[19:20:13]

oCLioN:

but if i run mythbuntu .. will there still be apache and everything else i need to keep my websites running ?

[19:20:22]

Lt_Dan:

it can

[19:20:25]

iamlindoro__:

There will be apache and mythweb installed

[19:21:02]

iamlindoro__:

It's nothing more than Ubuntu + Mythtv + a bunch of very nice performance and user-interface/setup tweaks

[19:21:03]

EvilGuru:

oCLioN: It is ubuntu at heart, so yes

[19:21:13]

whoDat_:

lol i just stumbled across mythtvosd, I could have fun using this on my gf ;) ...

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oCLioN:

sounds like best idea is to wait .. buy DVB-C card .build a new machine and install fresh mythbuntu on that one

[19:22:27]

iamlindoro__:

Probably have a nicer experience if you're not hosting 200 domains on your myth system, too

[19:23:08]

Lt_Dan:

i agree--build a different box for the websites.

[19:24:13]

oCLioN:

i should get a hardware decoding card right ?

[19:24:23]

oCLioN:

then i can have a crappier computer ?

[19:24:31]

iamlindoro__:

oCLioN, doesn't really matter, you don't want to use the video out on those cards if you can avoid it

[19:24:43]

oCLioN:

alright

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iamlindoro__:

most people get what are called the "budget" cards now, because they're using the GPU to output the video

[19:25:21]

iamlindoro__:

a budget DVB card and a decent nVidia graphics card is the best solution, I think

[19:26:05]

Lt_Dan:

i'll not weigh in. im in the US and have NTSC de-interlacing issues....

[19:30:37]

justinh:

god I wish there was a way to rip vinyl non-realtime

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sphery:

justinh: just play your 45's at 78rpm and compensate with the encoding software. ;)

[19:32:58]

raslac:

or scan the record on a flatbed scanner and write software to analyze the grooves.

[19:33:13]

justinh:

lol

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oCLioN:

thanks for al the help guyes , ill give it a try ;)

[19:34:23]

raslac:

don't laugh justinh: http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~springer/

[19:34:43]

justinh:

mmm gonna need a drill, a ccd, a laser & a mirror. and another drill

[19:34:51]

justinh:

and a stepper motor lol

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justinh:

raslac: wow :D

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iamlindoro__:

I remember seeing that on slashdot a loooooong time ago

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raslac:

yep. that's what made me think of it

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justinh:

what about this one then? http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/b2b/b2b3.jpg

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justinh:

arghh damn daft paste

[19:43:44]

iamlindoro__:

I think I've seen lots of those tucked under my windshield wipers when I lived in the city ;)

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justinh:

heh

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iamlindoro__:

Holy God what is wrong with Amy Winehouse

[19:46:59]

iamlindoro__:

Won't someone run her over please?

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jduggan:

everything except her voice is wrong

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justinh:

she's a publicity whore?

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justinh:

seriously – no new material on the way, keep in the headlines :D

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jduggan:

haha

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jduggan:

nod

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iamlindoro__:

Oh I saw a brilliant piece of new material just now

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EvilGuru:

Amy Wino — I swear she is in the tabloids every other day

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jduggan:

kk, off to vegas

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jduggan:

laters

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jduggan:

;

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jduggan:

;]

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justinh:

like me – to look like a proper DJ I snort glucose powder

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iamlindoro__:

http://jezebel.com/5014626/amy-winehouse-fina . . . utoplay=true

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EvilGuru:

I would run her over, but I would feel bad about killing the inhabitants of her hair

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wagner:

you should probably nuke from orbit... just to be safe

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iamlindoro__:

Only way to be sure

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pscheie:

US over-the-air is going digital next Feb. I assume I'll need to replace the Hauppauge 500 card I'm using with something that will handle digital channels, correct?

[19:58:31]

wagner:

if you dont have cable, yes

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pscheie:

no, I don't have cable

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pscheie:

any suggestions on cards?

[19:59:00]

wagner:

then yes

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pscheie:

I'd think they'd be simpler, since they don't have to do any analog-to-digital conversion, right?

[19:59:42]

wagner:

whatever is cheap and supported under linux

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iamlindoro__:

pcHDTV 5500, HDHomeRun, Kworld 110 or 115, etc.

[19:59:54]

wagner:

its all a digital stream, so theres no difference in quality

[20:00:20]

wagner:

ive got a hauppauge 1250 (pcie) that works great

[20:00:57]

wagner:

ill correct that, as long as your tuner is of sufficient capability to properly receive the stream, there is no change in quality

[20:01:47]

pscheie:

so, not all digital tuners are created equal?

[20:02:21]

wagner:

if you can pick up a signal, quality isnt an issue

[20:02:27]

directhex:

she's more amusing a news trainwreck than, say, pete doherty

[20:02:30]

wagner:

but some tuners are going to have better pickup than others

[20:02:39]

directhex:

largely because she has strange large hair

[20:02:47]

wagner:

i have no idea who amy winehouse is

[20:03:23]

directhex:

a singer who's a firm believer in racial equality. cough.

[20:03:30]

pscheie:

how many tuners are there on your hauppauge 1250?

[20:04:10]

wagner:

1, that one tuner can do both digital or analog, but the analog is shitty quality, not supported under linux, and useless in under a year anyway

[20:04:30]

pscheie:

I've found the dual tuners on my 500 has become the minimum for keeping everyone in the house happy

[20:05:01]

iamlindoro__:

directhex, haha

[20:05:19]

wagner:

i just bought it because it was $50 and PCIE

[20:06:05]

wagner:

i had already used all the PCI slots in my backend, and i didnt want to build a second

[20:07:50]

wagner:

does anyone make dual-tuner ATSC cards?

[20:08:05]

iamlindoro__:

The Hauppauge 2250, but it's not out yet AFAIK, and the HDHomeRun (not a card)

[20:08:50]

pscheie:

looks like the Hauupauge 1800 is dual-tuner (?)

[20:08:58]

iamlindoro__:

That's one analog, one digital

[20:09:21]

pscheie:

ah, yes, you are correct

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pscheie:

nuts!

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wagner:

most digital cards are dual tuner, but only one of them is digital

[20:10:32]

iamlindoro__:

wagner, Well, most are *hybrid*, but only single tuner in that only one side can be used at a time

[20:10:53]

iamlindoro__:

the HVR-1800 is a geuine dual tuner, both can be used independently at the same time

[20:10:57]

iamlindoro__:

genuine

[20:11:12]

wagner:

ah, i thought my 1250 was the oddity in that only one could be used at a time

[20:11:39]

Lt_Dan:

if you have cable, and pull stuff in via QAM, the multirec would let you pull multiple shows at a time

[20:11:56]

Lt_Dan:

but that doesn't apply to OTA..

[20:11:57]

wagner:

Lt_Dan: if they are on the same multiplex, yes

[20:11:58]

Lt_Dan:

..sorry

[20:12:07]

Lt_Dan:

exactly. on the same multiplex

[20:12:08]

iamlindoro__:

Lt_Dan, It also applies to OTA on the same mux

[20:12:19]

Lt_Dan:

cool. are there OTA that are on the same mux?

[20:12:22]

iamlindoro__:

yep

[20:12:26]

Lt_Dan:

cool.

[20:12:32]

iamlindoro__:

yeah, it's a great feature

[20:12:40]

iamlindoro__:

ah well, off to meet with background investigators....

[20:12:42]

Lt_Dan:

i have an air2pc hd5000 or whatever, plus a pchdtv2000

[20:12:50]

wagner:

most of the network channels in my area have a news and weather sub-channel

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Lt_Dan:

the 2000 pulls OTA, but i never looked close enough to see if it can do multiplex

[20:13:04]

wagner:

PBS and KET both have half a dozen sub channels each

[20:13:09]

Lt_Dan:

aah. that's true.. our CBS has a 24x7 weather channel

[20:13:44]

Lt_Dan:

i hope ours startusing the weather for all the tornado alerts and stuff once the analog stuff is gone

[20:13:54]

Lt_Dan:

by then everyone will *have* to have a way to get that channel

[20:14:08]

** Lt_Dan is in tornado alley **

[20:14:45]

Lt_Dan:

highly annoying when a good HDTV show pops down to standard def cuz they put a weather crawler on the bottom...

[20:15:05]

Lt_Dan:

..though they seemed to have figured out how to do hi-def crawlers now...

[20:15:19]

wagner:

its a government mandate, all channels have to display that crawler

[20:15:47]

Lt_Dan:

wagner. i didn't know that. i'm glad most networks figured out how to do it in hi-def

[20:16:40]

Lt_Dan:

i guess if i moved out of tornado alley, that problem would solve itself ;)

[20:17:15]

wagner:

yeah, we get one of those alerts at most once a month

[20:17:25]

wagner:

usually theyre several months in between

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Lt_Dan:

wagner whereabouts r u? im in kansas, so pretty much it starts in april and goes through the summer. good times!

[20:18:27]

wagner:

cincinnati, so about 500mi due east

[20:19:09]

wagner:

well, 500–1000mi depending on where you are in kansas

[20:19:18]

Lt_Dan:

wagner, sometimes the weatherman commandeers an entire show

[20:19:40]

Lt_Dan:

cool. my wifes moms is in ohio

[20:19:50]

Lt_Dan:

we're in wichita

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wagner:

well the emergency weather system is mandatory, but they dont have to put a weather guy on

[20:20:39]

Lt_Dan:

one time they commandeered a new CSI

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Lt_Dan:

a few years ago...

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pscheie:

since the hdhomerun isn't a card, how does one connect it to myth?

[20:21:08]

Lt_Dan:

they musta got so much feedback from the community that the next week they only took over commercials and apologized each time

[20:21:47]

wagner:

pscheie: its connected over USB

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Lt_Dan:

sorry for going way offtopic

[20:22:16]

wagner:

unless someone is here for tech support, this channel typically isnt on topic

[20:25:34]

PatrickDK:

topic? we have topics?

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Lt_Dan:

lol

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justinh:

I remember Topics. nougat, caramel & nuts IIRC

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Lt_Dan:

of course the punchline to my little story is no one complained when the weather guy commandeered commercials.. ba-dump bum!

[20:27:55]

PatrickDK:

I'm suprised the station didn't get all it's advertizers pulled from it

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Lt_Dan:

tornados in KS is not new.. probably worked into the contracts the locals sign

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Lt_Dan:

(local advertisers)

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justinh:

"you're going to die, after these messages from our sponsor..."

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Lt_Dan:

LOL :)

[20:29:24]

PatrickDK:

I thought it was

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PatrickDK:

you're going to die, we will tell you how, after these messages

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wagner:

please stay tuned as this tornado rips the TV out of your house

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Lt_Dan:

if you are still watching--- WHY ARE YOU STILL WATCHING AND NOT IN YOUR BASEMENT!?

[20:31:16]

Lt_Dan:

i solved that one.. our bigscreen is IN the basement :)

[20:31:21]

pscheie:

wagner, does myth just see it as a pair of tuners?

[20:31:22]

Lt_Dan:

a kansas theater room

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wagner:

i would assume so, ive never used one

[20:31:56]

PatrickDK:

I thought the hdhomerun just has a network port on it

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Lt_Dan:

well folx.. stepping out.. l8r

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PatrickDK:

and yes, it you just set it up as a normal tuner

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PatrickDK:

normal = selecting the hdhomerun as the tuner type

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pscheie:

hmm, I see an ethernet port on the picture at 9thtee.com, but no usb

[20:34:55]

wagner:

pscheie: i assumed it was USB, but apparently it just connects over your network

[20:34:55]

pscheie:

plus, I've got a couple of MediaMVP units that stream from my myth box that I'd prefer to keep using

[20:35:12]

pscheie:

so, does it take the place of the myth box?

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PatrickDK:

hdhomerun does not replace anything, except a tuner

[20:35:30]

wagner:

no, the mythbox just tunes into it as any other tuner card

[20:36:04]

abqjp:

pscheie, right, the hdhomerun connects via ethernet.

[20:36:15]

PatrickDK:

you still need your mythtv box for the channel guide, and to direct your mediamvp to the correct stream

[20:36:22]

PatrickDK:

or to just record it, and flag commercials

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pscheie:

so...it must feed both tuners' signals out over the ethernet connection (?)

[20:36:50]

PatrickDK:

yep, that would max out at 40mbit

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PatrickDK:

plunty of extra on a 100mbit switched network

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pscheie:

and the myth box reads those?

[20:37:03]

PatrickDK:

yep

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pscheie:

ok, that's a bit more clear

[20:37:25]

PatrickDK:

hdhomerun ---> mythtv backend <----> mythtv frontend / mediamvp

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justinh:

hd on an mvp? hahaha like your optimism :P

[20:38:05]

PatrickDK:

justinh it's what he said he had :)

[20:38:12]

PatrickDK:

maybe it just transcode everything :)

[20:38:18]

PatrickDK:

s/it/he

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pscheie:

well, it's not the hd I'm interested in, its the digital

[20:38:39]

pscheie:

ultimately, it's *still* just television

[20:38:45]

pscheie:

GIGO

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pscheie:

I like the mvp because it's small, quiet

[20:39:54]

wagner:

well its not like channels are simulcast in SD

[20:39:54]

wagner:

anything HD would have to be transcoded into something less intensive

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pscheie:

not as many features as a full front-end pc

[20:40:18]

pscheie:

but smaller footprint

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justinh:

thats what I have against the mvp

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justinh:

not as versatile. puny

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abqjp:

I think I would rather have a popcorn hour, since it can do HD.

[20:40:45]

PatrickDK:

I like mine

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PatrickDK:

I just use full blown computers, in full tower cases

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PatrickDK:

and run fiber up to the screens

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pscheie:

PatrickDK, aren't the fans on the computers rather noisy?

[20:41:35]

PatrickDK:

yep

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PatrickDK:

but then they are several hundred feet or more away from you

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justinh:

my hd-ready frontend is silent :D

[20:42:07]

wagner:

my hd-ready frontend/backend is completely silent

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pscheie:

wagner, what are you using?

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abqjp:

My hd frontend is in http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15738 and is silent.

[20:42:59]

abqjp:

I did replace the fans it comes with, for quieter ones, though.

[20:43:04]

XLV:

justinh, whats your setup?

[20:43:22]

justinh:

a computer

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abqjp:

Everything you ever wanted to know about building silent PCs: http://silentpcreview.com/

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XLV:

i got a x2 3800, 2GB, 6600GT, 320GB in a silverstone lc20, low spinning 80cm fans, 9cm hsf

[20:43:54]

XLV:

justinh, yeah, i gathered, whats the setup of the computer?

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wagner:

AMD3200+, P180B, thermalright HS w/ 120mm fan

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wagner:

the only thing i hear is the cheap fan in the power supply

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wagner:

and thats only if nothing else is running

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justinh:

c2d mobile 1.83 1GB, i945GMm-HL board in a silverstone lc02 – frontend

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wagner:

i cant hear it over the TV, i cant hear it over the AC, i cant even hear it over the fridge in the next room

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XLV:

motd is a nice solution also.. now with g45 that can do h264/vc1 decode, and intel producing linux support for it.. msi has a motd mb to be released

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wagner:

motd?

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XLV:

mobile on the desktop

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XLV:

mobile cpus on desktop size mbs

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wagner:

ill be interested to see what the performance of the dual core atoms is

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XLV:

mini/micro/standard atx

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wagner:

although what would be even better is if they developed a worthwhile chipset for the atom, rather than one that uses 4x as much power as the processor itself

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XLV:

wagner, atm manufs are using 945g or something like that, intel has Poulsbo for use with atom, but its not ready yet, that should require less power

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wagner:

ive been looking around to build a computer to replace my now defunct OnStar... i was deeply disturbed when i saw that the large heatsinks on those boards were actually the northbridge

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directhex:

XLV, MoDT is an aopen trademark. seems they've done a good job in making their kit synonymous with using low-power chips on desktops

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** justinh is glad his music player isn't tied into last.fm **

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directhex:

why?

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justinh:

directhex: thought it'd be obvious. don't want anybody to know how sad some of the music I'm compiling for my new club night is :P

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justinh:

wooo I didn't realise I had Dino Lenny – Cocaine. niiiiice

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