Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, June 7th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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Dagmar:

"Without unobscured firewire, you are forced to pay monopoly-pricing on any hardware you connect to your cable box."

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nuonguy:

Dagmar: way too many words with more than one syllable

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Dagmar:

Sez you

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stuarta:

sadly that's the way it goes

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Dagmar:

Most people will get "monopoly-pricing" right away as something bad

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nuonguy:

for a soundbite, it's too many syllables

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nuonguy:

for a letter, it's good

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Dagmar:

nuonguy: When you've talked to the media as often as I have, then you can critique

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** nuonguy is scared of talking to the media **

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nuonguy:

never have

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Dagmar:

Good plan

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Dagmar:

It keeps the FBI out of your hair.

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Dagmar:

heheh

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nuonguy:

huh?

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Dagmar:

Companies like to kill the bearer of bad tidings.

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Lynet:

I thought they were in our hair by default these days.

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Dagmar:

No, they're just looking through our hair by default now.

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Dagmar:

nuonguy: Her'es a nice example. About two years ago (and I'm about due for another round) someone came to me saying that using some Google searches they found a massive cache of personal financial information online, completely exposed.

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Dagmar:

They wanted that to *not* be online anymore, but didn't know how to go about doing it, so they got ahold of me.

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whoDat_:

so messed up that i can even watch video over firewire but not change channels

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Dagmar:

'cuz I can and WILL tell reporters about this stuff if nothing gets done.

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Dagmar:

...and I can make reporters understand how horribly bad something like that being online is

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Dagmar:

As it was I luckily figured out someone in the public defender's office in one state was a girl I went to high-school with.

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Dagmar:

I had *her* call the place up and make a non-idle threat.

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nuonguy:

this is an example of what?

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Dagmar:

...becuse if *I* had called a legal firm, to tell them they had 15,000 welfare recipients and their children's social security numbers and identifying medical information online in cleartext, you can bet they'd tell the FBI I somehow hacked their server and/or put it there myself.

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Dagmar:

When you tell the press something like that, the bad guys generally try to tell the feds you did something illegal to find that out even if they have to make things up.

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jpabq:

iamlindoro, have you tried your hd-pvr under windows? I can record SD just fine, but any attemp to record HD freezes it after about 10 seconds, and I have to power-cycle it.

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Lynet:

The old kill the messenger / sue they guy who makes you aware of a security problem thing.

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nuonguy:

ah

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Dagmar:

If you tell a reporter, but don't make sure they understand it, they can roll on you.

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nuonguy:

i c

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Dagmar:

...and by "roll" I mean rat you out in an attempt to get you and said organization talking directly to one another.

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iamlindoro:

jpabq: AVSForum's thread implies Hauppauge is aware of it, that it is a firmware issue, and that a fix is expected in short order

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jpabq:

I sure hope so.

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directhex:

they're never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down

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Dagmar:

So you have to make sure that any bullshit said org tells reporter is something the reporter knows is bullshit so they don't ever think for a second there's anything to gain by giving up your name.

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jpabq:

I also hope they do NOT change that challenge code with the new firmware!

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Did you just.... rickroll the channel?

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: He was trying to

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directhex:

Dagmar started it!

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Lynet:

Recent story about that here in scandinavia, by the way. Cellphone companies were leaking information, they were made aware of it but ignored it. Someone made a script that demonstrated the weakness and whent to the media. Guess who got sued.

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Dagmar:

jpabq: I'm rather hoping they'll just take that out, but I suspect it's tied into the chip they bought to do the enciding

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Dagmar:

s/enciding/encoding/;

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Dagmar:

Lynet: Oh I don't veen have to guess

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Dagmar:

It had to have been the hacker

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Dagmar:

The last time I went to the press and let them put my face on a screen, I had fucking minicams installed in my house three weeks later.

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nuonguy:

what????

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nuonguy:

for real?

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Dagmar:

I've managed five interactions since then without so much as a ripple of kickback

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Dagmar:

Yes, for real.

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directhex:

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Buy_A_Dog

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jpabq:

It has been twenty years since I did any assembly language. It came back to me pretty quick, but I still would rather not have to do that again.

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Dagmar:

directhex: *I* didn't install them

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nuonguy:

I *loved* programming in assembly

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jpabq:

It is pretty cool to program in it, but this required DE-coding someone else's assembly and converting it into C.

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Dagmar:

directhex: The sad thing is that I found out about it by spacing out while driving, going past my own damn house (hah) and seeing the back of the surveillance truck *open* with images of what looked a lot like my living room

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Dagmar:

Stuff like that will make you stop and wonder if you were hallucinating

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jpabq:

iamlindoro, It seems like the freezing problem is rampant. How come Hauppauge didn't catch it before they started shipping? After all, they had time while waiting for the plastic cases to show up!

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Dagmar:

Lack of whitebox testing

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iamlindoro:

jpabq: Probably a late firmware update

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iamlindoro:

folks who have had them for weeks and months report no such problems

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Dagmar:

Lucky bastards

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jpabq:

I am tired of waiting to use it!

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jpabq:

Especially now that I actually have one in my hands.

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directhex:

mail it to a non-existent address at the north pole. then, when it gets returned to you as undeliverable, you can tell your friends you've got the only hdpvr to ever visit the north pole

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iamlindoro:

And it may have cooled down a bit ;)

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Dagmar:

You know the dead letter office has no deadlines, right?

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Dagmar:

Never mail anything to a nonexistant address you don't mind never seeing again.

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Dagmar:

...cuz it *can* just sit on a shelf in Nowhere Idaho until the heat death of civilization

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nuonguy:

someone lent me a digital to analog converter box

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nuonguy:

how can I use that with mythtv

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Dagmar:

Depends on what it's output format is

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nuonguy:

plug the tv-in on the converter box to a tv tuner card on my computer?

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nuonguy:

um, dunno

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Dagmar:

Try duct tape

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nuonguy:

output is channel 3 or channel 4 rf

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Dagmar:

Oh. Any pvr-150 then

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** nuonguy reads the back of the box **

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Dagmar:

RF is probably the least desirable mechanism tho

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nuonguy:

indeed

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nuonguy:

and I'll need a ir blaster to change channels

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Dagmar:

You want composite, svga, component, in order of least to most desirable

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Dagmar:

er s/vga/svideo/;

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nuonguy:

on the back of the box it shows as output only TV and composite

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Dagmar:

So you're probably better off using the composite since it's less complex than RF tuning

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PatrickDK:

what the hell is a TV output?

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PatrickDK:

coax?

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Dagmar:

PatrickDK: Yes.

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Dagmar:

Coax RF generally

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stuarta:

D->A->D is always bad

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PatrickDK:

5mhz :)

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nuonguy:

yes, coax

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** nuonguy yelps what for? **

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nuonguy:

my s.o. has a huge stack of old vhs movies

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nuonguy:

is there a cheap way to digitize them?

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PatrickDK:

pvr150 connected to a good vhs

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nuonguy:

why I go to fry's, I can't seem to find a plain and simple s-video capture card

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nuonguy:

er, when I go to fry's....

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Dagmar:

That's because you aren't having a good day for wasting money

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Dagmar:

Order a PVR-150 *online*

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Dagmar:

NewEgg.

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directhex:

bedtime.

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Dagmar:

If you buy one of these in a store, expect to pay 50–100% more than you should.

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Dagmar:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116620 <- note the S-video input

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nuonguy:

nice

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jadams:

MythTV isn't skipping commercials. I've got commercial flagging set to 'any kind' and I've set it to auto-skip in settings->settings->tv->playback

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whoDat_:

if i manually update the channel table with sql to change all my HD channels to have an _1 after them, will they still work? I dont see the hard reference of the channel number to the tuner frequency in the channel table.

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stuarta:

commercial detection (& therefore skipping) is a black art. doesn't always work

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Dagmar:

You have to build it out of tree with --delete-important-plot-moments=disabled

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iamlindoro:

--skip-reality-TV

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iamlindoro:

--disable-Gilmore-Girls

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iamlindoro:

--suppress-Sex-and-the-City

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** PatrickDK really wonders about iamlindoro **

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iamlindoro:

And you're right to do so ;)

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PatrickDK:

either you don't have a wife, or you don't allow to on myth :)

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iamlindoro:

Heh, girlfriend only ATM

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PatrickDK:

ah

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PatrickDK:

once she learns myth

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iamlindoro:

She's allowed to watch anything not in the "Other" folder of Mythvideo ;)

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PatrickDK:

it's going be recording all kinds of crap

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PatrickDK:

my wife can keep 3 turners recording

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iamlindoro:

Speaking of tuners, yay for BSG tonight!

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PatrickDK:

heh, ya

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PatrickDK:

I got pissed the other week

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PatrickDK:

I went to go watch bsg, and it didn't record

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iamlindoro:

Boo!

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PatrickDK:

and research turned up, it was a skip week, they didn't play it :(

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iamlindoro:

ah ,heh

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iamlindoro:

yes

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PatrickDK:

same deal with dr.who last week, I believe

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PatrickDK:

unless I just totally lost track of what week it is

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PatrickDK:

the only two shows I watch, each week

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PatrickDK:

and once bsg ends

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PatrickDK:

I have no purpose for scifi channel, and no purpose for cable then

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Dagmar:

Except for those cheating bastards at Sky

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Dagmar:

They went ahead and aired the BSG episode the following Tuesday night

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: Is that to say that they are an episode ahead of the US?

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ffm:

Is it realistic to make a mythtv machine out of an old win98 beige box?

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dustybin:

/s/sky/sly

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dustybin:

ffm: a backend maybe, depending on the cpu

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iamlindoro:

ffm: Wheeeee, same answer as when you asked that question in the Ubuntu room...

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dustybin:

for a HD ready frontend, no

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ffm:

iamlindoro: heh.

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iamlindoro:

P3, 256 MB RAM

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iamlindoro:

SD frontend or backend, and as dustybin predicted, not for HD

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dustybin:

maybe a SDTV backend

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ffm:

iamlindoro: oh, I'm not planning on hd...

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ffm:

dustybin: could it be a hd backend?

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iamlindoro:

ffm: Should be okayish for an SD system, then

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iamlindoro:

Presuming you have OK disks in it, yes.

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ffm:

iamlindoro: i'll canabalize my tivo's disks.

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ffm:

(which are running fine atm)

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iamlindoro:

But perish the thought of displaying even a single frame of that HD on that system

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ffm:

iamlindoro: would it work as a front+backend system?

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iamlindoro:

ffm: SD frontend and a tuner or two, sure

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dustybin:

ffm: stick a bit more ram in, some themes are big

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J-e-f-f-A:

How fast is his cpu ? (didn't see it when I scrolled back)

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: P3 Somethin'-or-other

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dustybin:

P3

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iamlindoro:

Any of which should be *adequate* but not great for a backend or an OK SD frontend

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** J-e-f-f-A "P3" is like saying I drive a "Chevy"... ;-) A bit vague... **

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iamlindoro:

Ignore the nonsense you're getting in #ubuntu-mythtv, that system will handle SD fine

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ffm:

J-e-f-f-A: how exactly would you want me to elaborate? gnome-hard-prefs is useless on that front.

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dustybin:

1 camera on zoneminder 640 x 480 with motion detection activated eats about 12% of my CPU

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J-e-f-f-A:

ffm: cat /proc/cpuinfo

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iamlindoro:

People have run multiple tuner backend-frontend combos on far less than a PIII

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iamlindoro:

for SD, anyway

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J-e-f-f-A:

ffm: what's the speed?

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ffm:

cpu MHz : 598.625

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** ffm wizzes along. **

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iamlindoro:

Again, that will be *fine* for a couple of SD tuners (so long as the tuners are hardware encoders)

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iamlindoro:

and for playback of one of those SD streams, likely, as well

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J-e-f-f-A:

ffm: It should do SD fine, and like iamlindoro said, more memory will help it run much smoother. 512 will be pleanty if you don't run massive themes... ;-)

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ffm:

iamlindoro: I'm working with the tuner that came with the box, any idea how to check if linux detectes it?

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ffm:

J-e-f-f-A: kk.

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ffm:

(or what it is for that part)

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J-e-f-f-A:

ffm: ls /dev/video*

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iamlindoro:

lspci is a start, dmesg |grep – video might give something useful

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ffm:

J-e-f-f-A: no dice

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iamlindoro:

er dmesg |grep -i video

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dustybin:

ffm: check out http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

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iamlindoro:

And, as usual, paste at rafb.net/paste and not into this channel

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iamlindoro:

Given the vintage of that system I'll go out on a limb and predict a bt848 card

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iamlindoro:

Which is *not* a hardware encoder and should be replaced with one... but you could still probably make a single framegrabber and playback work on that system with a little effort

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ffm:

iamlindoro: hrm... today's not my day " [ 30.653622] Boot video device is 0000:01:00.0

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iamlindoro:

ffm: lspci

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** ffm assumes that pastes under a line will be OK. **

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iamlindoro:

yes, a line is fine

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ffm:

iamlindoro: and grep again for video?

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iamlindoro:

no, just lspci

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iamlindoro:

pastebin the whole thing

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ffm:

iamlindoro: http://pastebin.ca/1040901

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ffm:

(btw, you guys all rock)

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iamlindoro:

Fun fact: The first person ever to paste something at pastebin.ca is *still* waiting for it to load

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ffm:

iamlindoro: ??

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iamlindoro:

pastebin.ca is the worlds slowest pastebin

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iamlindoro:

too late now

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ffm:

iamlindoro: http://rafb.net/p/NQfJ4p70.html

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J-e-f-f-A:

I don't see a tuner in there — ffm — are you sure it's a TV tuner, or is it a s-video connector on your video card? (if so, that's a video OUT, not in)

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iamlindoro:

ffm: There's no tuner card here

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: He's got a DXR2 equivalent

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iamlindoro:

ie an MPEG-2 decoder

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iamlindoro:

that he thought was a tuner

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Ah... ;-) I used to have a Creative Soundworks MPEG2 decoder... I think I've still got it somewhere... :-)

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iamlindoro:

For all intents and purposes, as useless as it ever was :)

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iamlindoro:

ffm: You'll need to purchase a tuner, than

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iamlindoro:

then

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ffm:

iamlindoro: at this point, wouldn't it make more sense just to build a new boxen?

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iamlindoro:

PVR-150s for single tuner and PVR-500s for dual tuners are usually the recommended choices

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iamlindoro:

ffm: Of course it would

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iamlindoro:

ffm: You were the one trying to make that box work, after all

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iamlindoro:

The answer is *always* buy proper hardware, but nobody like to hear that

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iamlindoro:

likes

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ffm:

iamlindoro: What's _proper_?

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iamlindoro:

Something with a C2D of 1.8 Ghz or faster, a gig of RAM, and an nVidia graphics card?

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iamlindoro:

and any of the many decent tuner cards

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ffm:

iamlindoro: at the risk of sounding like a windows user, what's a CTD?

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ffm:

*C2D

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iamlindoro:

C2D

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iamlindoro:

Core 2 Duo

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J-e-f-f-A:

... or AMD X2's like I have.. ;-)

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ffm:

iamlindoro: ah, ia64.

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iamlindoro:

C2D != ia64

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Dagmar:

You don't need C2D to encode with a framegrabber, but it doesn't hurt

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Dagmar:

Single core, 1.8Ghz will do, provided it's not some VIA piece of crap

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: Well, I was working under the assumption that he would purchase a real tuner card as he currently doesn't have one

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iamlindoro:

He's talking about building from scratch now, so might as well outfit it for decent HD in the future was my line of thinking

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Dagmar:

Considering $66 will get you an X2 4800+ it doesn't make much sense to go single-core

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Dagmar:

To take the price/performance thing all the way out one can even spend $145 and get a Phenom X3 but it's a close call on pricing there

[01:29:47]

Dagmar:

Mainly the most econoical at the moment is that 4800

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ffm:

And _no_way_ I'd be able to make use of my tivo s2 boxen, I take it?

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Dagmar:

I dont' want to hear any f**king arguing about that either since I spent the last several days working those numbers over

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Dagmar:

ffm: no.

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ffm:

(other than hd)

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** ffm swears at TiVo. **

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Dagmar:

You could boot from it's hard drive. :)

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iamlindoro___:

Those Hauppauge kids roll together, I see

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** mkrufky checks channel logs **

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mkrufky:

lol, thats a coincidence

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iamlindoro___:

;)

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mkrufky:

i only signed in so i can say this to the room:

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iamlindoro___:

7 minutes to BSG!

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mkrufky:

yes!

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mkrufky:

i doubt the other guy is even reading this conversation

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iamlindoro___:

He's busy in that other vaguely related room

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mkrufky:

You will bring them all to their end!

[01:56:01]

mkrufky:

i figured

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iamlindoro___:

Tonight gonn' be Goooooood

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mkrufky:

just from the title alone

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iamlindoro___:

Yes!

[01:56:48]

iamlindoro___:

And to think you hadn't seen an ep a few months ago

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mkrufky:

lol

[01:57:12]

mkrufky:

its amazing how easy it is to just discard you life and _only_ watch BSG

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iamlindoro___:

Until LOST comes on

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mkrufky:

guy upstairs from me did the same thing... he watch LOST s1 – s3ep7 in 4 days

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mkrufky:

er, s4ep7

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iamlindoro___:

Too bad about all those times he soiled his couch

[01:58:02]

mkrufky:

haha

[01:58:14]

mkrufky:

see thats bad to do with lost

[01:58:26]

mkrufky:

the whole speculation between each episode is the best part of the show

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iamlindoro___:

No week between to go "WTF?"

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mkrufky:

yes, exactly

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iamlindoro___:

I can't actually start BSG until 16 after, I hate commercials ;)

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mkrufky:

anyway, since i am watching VSG live on my cablebox, i'll probably come back during commercials

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iamlindoro___:

Sacrilege!

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mkrufky:

ah, so then i wont say anything about it until after i know ur done watching

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mkrufky:

oof, gotta

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mkrufky:

gotta go

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iamlindoro___:

Hehe, who am I fooling, I'll watch live

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iamlindoro___:

later

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PatrickDK:

16?

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PatrickDK:

I guess you don't watch the next week preview then :)

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Dagmar:

Whew. Got back to the office *just* in time to monitor that BSG gets relayed out properly.

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Dagmar:

:)

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mkrufky-gone:

"relayed out" ?

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Dagmar:

mrkurky: I can only think of one reason to watch that many episodes of Lost in a row.

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mkrufky:

this is an awesome episode already

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iamlindoro:

FECK

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iamlindoro:

I just missed the first 5

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mkrufky:

oof

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Dagmar:

So that the acid they took so that the plot for S2 and S3 seems to make sense doesn't wear off.

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iamlindoro:

Guess I'll pick those up later-- have it worked out now

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mkrufky:

lol

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: You didn't miss anything but the "what happened until now"-flashback sequence

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iamlindoro:

Good thing in replays in a few hours

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: ah, good!

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mkrufky:

huh?

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mkrufky:

id say he missed an awesome minute

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mkrufky:

im sorry to say it

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iamlindoro:

oh yay

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mkrufky:

anyway, bbiab

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Dagmar:

mrkrufky: By "relayed out" I mean my department is also peripherally responsible for ensuring campus cable is working at all times

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dustybin:

dam i cannot sleep, i keep on thinking about front and back ends

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** J-e-f-f-A wonders if dustybin is in the wrong channel... ;-) **

[02:14:12]

Dagmar:

This character is secretly gay.

[02:15:17]

Dagmar:

...otherwise he would realize he now has every man's dream within his reach. A threesome (or more) without cheating on his wife.

[02:15:23]

Dagmar:

'cuz they're all his wife. :)

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iamlindoro:

Oh Xena Xena Xena

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iamlindoro:

Sit juuuuust a little higher when you turn like that

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Dagmar:

lol

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Dagmar:

I've not a clue what this bit with the president is about

[02:25:25]

iamlindoro:

I dunno but she is dooooomed

[02:26:27]

iamlindoro:

I've never noticed the beating heart in the centurion chest before

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Dagmar:

Neither have I but I've not looked that close at the centurions

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iamlindoro:

Kinda cool

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Dagmar:

I think it's more likely that it's some kind og hydraulic pump

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, but it *beats*

[02:28:38]

iamlindoro:

It's probably not biological but obviously it's a "heart"

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, I just thought it looked neat :)

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Dagmar:

It could be a hentai tentacle for all we know

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iamlindoro:

sexy

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iamlindoro:

haha

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PatrickDK:

hmm :)

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iamlindoro:

Haha fuck you Quantum Leap

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Dagmar:

I so hope Gaius talks his way into the centurion strangling him to shut him up

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iamlindoro:

Well, guess we don't need to worry about that little message getting out

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Dagmar:

Wow that morphine is hitting him hard

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iamlindoro:

ruhroh

[02:40:06]

Dagmar:

Yep

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Dagmar:

He's f**ked

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Dagmar:

Any minute now

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Dagmar:

Complaint: I doubt that little bandage would ahve stopped that kind of bleeding

[02:43:09]

Dagmar:

They need a combat triage nurse on staff for consult'

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iamlindoro:

Sadly for purposes of the series he'll be weaseling out of this

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Dagmar:

Not unless a marine comes in at the last minute and patches him up better.

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jpabq:

Are you guys watching LIVE tv?

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar made me do it

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Dagmar:

jpabq: Yes, because we're that damn desperate to find out what's going on in BSG

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** cesman wonders what is being discussed **

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iamlindoro:

Garacticerr

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cesman:

lol

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jpabq:

I was never able to get into that show. I really wanted to like it, but never made it past the second hour.

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Dagmar:

You might have missed an episode

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iamlindoro:

It didn't heat up til the second half of season 1

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Dagmar:

It's got a plot worse than any greek drama

[02:45:14]

iamlindoro:

Then it became unmissable

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Dagmar:

Blink and you have NO idea what's going on

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jpabq:

I guess I could rent it ... shudder.

[02:45:53]

iamlindoro:

Ohyayback

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jpabq:

Can I skip the first half of season 1 and not miss anything?

[02:46:26]

iamlindoro:

hmm... you sort of need the backstory, but the story doesn't become serialized until the 2nd half of the season

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jpabq:

okay.

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Dagmar:

S1 is mainly character development and eyeing chicks

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jpabq:

hmmmm.

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jpabq:

I remember when the SciFi channel first hit the air, and there was NOTHING on.

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iamlindoro:

I think she's being communicated with by whomever the actual correct deity is

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jpabq:

I wish Eureka had at least 20 episode seasons.

[02:48:31]

iamlindoro:

and the correct answer was: Mormonism!

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Dagmar:

You think she's talking to god in the space between jumps?

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iamlindoro:

yup

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Dagmar:

I think that's reaching

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iamlindoro:

I think there is clearly a higher power at work in all this

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jpabq:

I don't need to watch the show. You guys are just as entertaining!

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Dagmar:

I think she's just hallucinating

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iamlindoro:

That doesn't explain why they tend to group-hallucinate

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Dagmar:

She's been on some heavy drugs

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Dagmar:

...drugs made with cyclon.

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iamlindoro:

and have the same visions across ships

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Dagmar:

It's a wonder she doesn't spark when she passes wind

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iamlindoro:

So what's Baltar's reason for sharing visions with her?

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Dagmar:

He's been infected by that 8 for this long and you don't see that as a possible source?

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iamlindoro:

There's no explanation whatsoever for anyone's visions as yet

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iamlindoro:

We still have no idea why the 6 (and she's a six) shows up in his head

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Dagmar:

Nanoinfection

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iamlindoro:

That's just as likely as the deity argument :)

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iamlindoro:

And just as much of a Deus Ex Machina

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iamlindoro:

HAHAHA

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Dagmar:

Cyclons are breeding sexually.

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Dagmar:

That was a sick joke

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Dagmar:

I guesss that guy who jumped out early just vaporized

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Dagmar:

Nah.

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Dagmar:

That big red button they showed on his dash before he jumped probably meant his warhead was armed.

[02:57:19]

Dagmar:

...so he just jumped back to the fleet with a warhead armed, weapons free, and about to slump over his console.

[02:58:18]

Dagmar:

He'll go back, blow something up, the Council will say "OMG we've been duped!" and everything falls apart again

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iamlindoro:

Except the reason Adama had to wait for them at the rally point is because they don't *know* where the fleet jumped

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iamlindoro:

Besides, they'll be at earth in two episodes

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Dagmar:

Damn them and their teasers

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Dagmar:

When I get home I'm going to watch that bit frame by frame

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iamlindoro:

They'll get to earth and it'll be a wasteland

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iamlindoro:

Like Caprica

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Dagmar:

Nah.

[03:01:22]

iamlindoro:

Wanna bet?

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iamlindoro:

"All this has happened before, and all of this will happen again"

[03:01:34]

Dagmar:

Big sentient cockroaches will have built a cvilization based on the theory of lost socks.

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Dagmar:

Oh

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Dagmar:

Betcha the Doctor's daughter becomes an archaeologist

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mkrufky:

i cant believe thai tells adama!

[03:03:50]

mkrufky:

(from coming attractions)

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iamlindoro:

Tigh is awesome. My fave character

[03:04:12]

mkrufky:

looks like the cheif is still keeping it secret

[03:04:16]

iamlindoro:

Last shot of week will be Erff

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: nah, they'll know all of them next week

[03:04:28]

iamlindoro:

except 12

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iamlindoro:

They are about to space Tigh, Chief, and Anders in that shot

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mkrufky:

aaah, i missed that

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Dagmar:

How do you know this?

[03:05:05]

Dagmar:

...and why would they space Chief?

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iamlindoro:

Educated guesses, all

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mkrufky:

ooh

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iamlindoro:

They're about to space them for treason

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iamlindoro:

They are all in the launch tube, and Starbuck stops Lee Adama from spacing them

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mkrufky:

i dont think there was any treason tho

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mkrufky:

they conspired to conspire

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mkrufky:

about nothing

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iamlindoro:

The Chief tells her something about the viper, which somehow holds the key to earth, which she discovers

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Dagmar:

The viper is a cyclon.

[03:06:12]

Dagmar:

...and they're all cyclons.

[03:06:18]

Dagmar:

Everyone's a cyclon.

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mkrufky:

the hybrid sai a LOT of things that made good sense while the others were all yelling at each other

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: examples?

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mkrufky:

(nothing that i remember)

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iamlindoro:

ah

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mkrufky:

but i will pay closer attention when i watch again

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Dagmar:

In the final episode, the centurion collective learns to speak, pronounces them all a bunch of nutters, and leaves to establish a private, cyclon only golf resort on the moon.

[03:07:43]

mkrufky:

she said a lot of things relevant to exactly what the others were screaming at each other about

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Dagmar:

I think the hybrid was abnormally communicative there

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Dagmar:

Almost interactive

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mkrufky:

yes

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Dagmar:

I still want a pair of 8's and a pair of 6's.

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mkrufky:

you dont want an extra 3 on the side?

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Dagmar:

Nah. I have one crazy chick already.

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mkrufky:

heh

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PatrickDK:

once you have one, why would 2 make any difference? :)

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iamlindoro:

Not to mention it's always the crazy ones that tear you up good

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PatrickDK:

is that the good? or bad tearing up?

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iamlindoro:

good

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Dagmar:

That's the sort of thing only a man whose girlfriend is sane would say.

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iamlindoro:

Naw, I am a serial crazy dater

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erpo:

Hi all. Today, I tried to watch my mythbuntu TV, but when I choose the "Watch TV" option it goes to a black screen for a couple of seconds and then returns to the menu. The console output of mythfrontend is here: http://pastebin.com/m563d0c2e which to me clearly indicates a failure of some kind. I don't know what to do next.

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iamlindoro:

you're looking at the wrong log

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erpo:

What is the right log?

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iamlindoro:

Well, where do the TV tuners live, and what runs them?

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iamlindoro:

hint: not the frontend

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erpo:

Ok, in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log it says that ./mythconverg/recorded is marked as crashed and should be repaired

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iamlindoro:

There ya go then

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erpo:

Is it talking about a mysql db?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

A DB whose name is mythconverg

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erpo:

I don't suppose there's any way of getting mythtv to run without a db? I hate fixing things when I want to watch tv.

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wagner:

thats the future plan, but not currently

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erpo:

Hmm. I think I know how this happened.

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wagner:

your computer crashed while the database was being written to?

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erpo:

It's for a friend who isn't a geek, so I told him whenever mythtv locks up (It does. At least weekly.) to just hit the reset button on the PC. I'll bet that's what cause mysql to toss its cookies. Is there a better way to deal with a hung system?

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wagner:

hit the power button

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wagner:

if you have the kernel compiled properly, it lets the system shutdown normally on its own

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erpo:

Hmm. That sounds like a good idea.

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wagner:

if the system is legitimately hung (rather than just mythtv), then power or reset will make no difference

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erpo:

It's not. I've ssh'd in and restarted the frontend and backend before, but my friend can't do that.

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wagner:

if youve got any spare buttons, you can put it on the remote

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wagner:

have irexec run a command to kill mythtv and restart it

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erpo:

That sounds worthwhile.

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wagner:

if my system gets hosed, and i dont feel like running off to a real computer, i use the power button approach

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wagner:

although i keep track of when im recording things, and ill do things properly when i know the backend should be doing something else

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erpo:

I've never owned a tivo, but I understand they're linux-based like mythtv. Are they as fiddly?

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wagner:

i imagine not... usually they can iron out all issues like that in such STBs since its a single set of hardware

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wagner:

its like PC games vs. console games

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wagner:

the PC will be far more powerful than the console before long, but they can get a lot more performance and stability with the console just because they know exactly what the hardware is

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wagner:

in theory anyway...

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erpo:

hmm

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dustybin:

i have an idea

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dustybin:

im going to keep my existing setup in my bedroom, SDTV, and my backend/frontend combination

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dustybin:

downstairs im going to buy a HDTV and buy a macmini frontend for it

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dustybin:

to hell with building my own HD frontend, it will cost around £250 – £300 to build one from scratch and then it still wont look as anything nice as a mac mini

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dustybin:

Apple Mac Mini = HD Frontend

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rstory:

hi.. i'm having trouble connecting to my backend from a minimyth frontend... I can ping the backend and connect to mysql from the terminal on the frontend..

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rstory:

no errors in /var/log/messages, i've tried hostname and ip address in the frontend setup.. tcpdump shows traffic between the two on the mysqld port...

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rstory:

i've granted sqld permissions on the backend, and from the cmd line I can 'show tables' from the frontend and see all the mythtv tables..

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rstory:

hmm.. ok, it does seem to be mysql permissions.. when i try to 'use recorded', I get access denied for user 'mythtv'@'192.168.1.222' to database recorded..

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rstory:

even though I did 'grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.1.222" identified by "mythtv";' and flushed privs...

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justdave:

rstory: you granted privs on mythconverg, not recorded

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justdave:

I thought everything related to mythtv was in the mythconverg database though

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rstory:

ok.. doesn't mythconverg.* cover everything under mythconverg?

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justdave:

yes

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justdave:

but "use recorded" is looking for recorded.* not mythconverg.*

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rstory:

doh.. ok

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justdave:

you would "use mythconverg" and then "select (whatever) from recorded"

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rstory:

right.. ok.. 'select * from recorded;' shows lots of data..

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rstory:

so why does minimyth think it can't connect to the backend? do I need to configure something besides sql access? I set up the PIN to be 0000 to allow all access..

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justdave:

IIRC it's set up by default to only listen on localhost

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justdave:

so if you're trying to get a remote frontend to connect to it you have to change both the mythtv-backend and mysqld to listen on the externally-visible IP address instead of (or in addition to) localhost

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ttist25:

I am using mythbuntu on a FE/BE and a FE and I'm having trouble with DVD. When I go to watch a DVD the screen goes blank for a second and then takes me back to the menu. ANy ideas where I can start looking?

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rstory:

ok.. i'll poke around for that..

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justinh:

ttist25: look at the restricted package manager – sounds like you don't have encrypted DVD support

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ttist25:

restricted package manager – ok I'll take a look

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ttist25:

thanks

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justinh:

look in the mythbuntu wiki for 'encrypted dvd support' or somesuch

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ttist25:

ok

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justdave:

anyone know how to change the default sound card in ALSA?

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rstory:

justdave: bingo.. general setup did have localhost as the ip for the backend.. thanks..

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jamesd:

justdave, ~/.asoundrc

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iamlindoro:

asoundconf set-default-card #

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iamlindoro:

where # = some output of "asoundconf list"

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justinh:

arghhh stupid freenx client not wanting to talk to my nx server

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justdave:

hmm, ok, that worked, sorta.

[14:55:34]

justinh:

I can live with mythtv version x.y wanting to talk to a backend of version x.y but nothing else. grrr

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justdave:

hitting the "Test" button in the Sound control panel with the output set to ALSA plays on the preferred speakers now

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justdave:

and myth (both TV and video) both play nothing now instead of playing on the onboard speakers

[14:56:40]

justdave:

trying to get it to playback on the external speakers plugged into the sound card

[14:56:45]

justdave:

instead of the onboard

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justdave:

audio out is set to ALSA:default in myth

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justinh:

give alsa a nice hard punch from me while you're there

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justdave:

heh

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dustybin:

justinh: ive decided to go for a mac mini for the front end, i might end up paying a bit more than if i built it myself but you cannot beat the look of it

[15:01:24]

dustybin:

the looks and size

[15:02:37]

** justinh stands back in amazement **

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dustybin:

it even comes with a remote, and it will also come with leopard, i could do with that for my macbook pro laptop, hopefully its not a mac mini only version of it

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** justdave looks at the disks that came with his mini **

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justdave:

yeah, looks like a generic installer disk

[15:04:17]

justinh:

I wouldn't call what the mini ships with a remote

[15:04:23]

dustybin:

excellent! so thats a £100 saving already

[15:04:26]

justdave:

says "For Mac Computers" and not "For Mac Mini" or anything

[15:04:33]

justinh:

I'd call that a little white box designed to get lost too easily

[15:04:34]

dustybin:

ace :-)

[15:04:39]

justdave:

yeah, the remote that comes with the mini is almost worthless for Myth

[15:04:45]

dustybin:

oh ok

[15:04:51]

justdave:

it's got 6 buttons. :)

[15:05:02]

dustybin:

i only use 6 buttons anway

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dustybin:

just the arrows and ok and escape

[15:05:16]

justinh:

justdave: that's only because all the devs are too retarded to have considered remotes with only 6 buttons. apparently, according to some people

[15:05:46]

justdave:

heh

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justdave:

the apple remote apparently sends a different code if you push+hold than it does it you push+release

[15:06:16]

justdave:

so you can kinda get 12 out of it that way

[15:06:28]

justdave:

and supposedly you can do combinations with multiple keys at once

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dustybin:

for the time being, ill use a s-video convertor lead for it with the old 4:3 CRT downstairs, and when the times right ill buy a 42" 1080P HDTV

[15:06:41]

justinh:

why stop railing against the project even if it only needed 6 buttons when surely you could use only one button & tap out things in morse code

[15:07:03]

justinh:

blink twice for skip forward

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dustybin:

i didnt realise DVI carries analogue s-video signals

[15:07:30]

justinh:

it doesn't

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justdave:

FrontRow works nice with 6 buttons

[15:07:45]

justinh:

they can repurpose the video outputs

[15:07:46]

justdave:

but then it's missing a bunch of features, too

[15:07:46]

dustybin:

im sure there is a lead what can convert the mac mini dvi output into s-video

[15:08:00]

justinh:

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!

[15:08:08]

whoDat_:

is it best to just manually write a sql script and modify the channel table if i want to customize it for each source?

[15:08:19]

justinh:

svideo out over DVI is something perculiar to only Macs

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dustybin:

aye ok

[15:08:37]

whoDat_:

or is there some type of gui program?

[15:08:50]

dustybin:

who dares me to buy one right now

[15:08:51]

justdave:

I'm using the S-video adapter on my Mini to hook it up to the TV

[15:08:53]

justinh:

is mythtv-setup not a gui program?

[15:08:58]

justdave:

it shows up as a separate video out port

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dustybin:

justinh: does it work ok

[15:09:22]

justinh:

how the fuck should I know?!

[15:09:27]

whoDat_:

justin: i couldnt figure out a way to do mass deletes on it. like i need to delete channels 99–900..

[15:09:31]

dustybin:

i mean justdave

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justdave:

and you have to tell X to ignore the DVI port or you'll wind up with two screens, and myth will try to use the DVI instead of the S-video

[15:09:47]

dustybin:

http://www.apple.com/uk/macmini/

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justinh:

another nice relaxing time at the inlaws. I think I'll just drive home tonight

[15:09:58]

justdave:

works pretty decent.

[15:10:04]

dustybin:

ace :-)

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dustybin:

ill use that only until i get another tv

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justdave:

blurry as hell, but I'd expect that from S-video :)

[15:10:19]

dustybin:

aye yes

[15:10:23]

justdave:

that's why the menus in myth have large fonts :)

[15:10:30]

whoDat_:

justin? =)

[15:10:42]

dustybin:

when i got my VGA > SCART RGB box i was amazed and still am

[15:11:03]

justinh:

it's hardly worth the effort when you still have to deinterlace, though

[15:11:06]

dustybin:

but i know i cannot use that on the mac mini, that stays in my bedroom

[15:11:27]

justdave:

course, my thinking it's blurry is probably because I'm used to the 720p HDTV hooked up to the HTPC upstairs :)

[15:11:40]

justinh:

rm -rf /home/justinh/svnwork

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justinh:

oops

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justinh:

that's all my work gone. ah well

[15:12:08]

dustybin:

how about a theme what looks like the SKY menus

[15:12:15]

dustybin:

(or not..)

[15:12:25]

justinh:

how about skewering yourself on some iron railings?

[15:12:31]

dustybin:

hehe

[15:13:04]

dustybin:

im illegally downloading a 1080p.BluRay.x264-hV film to see how my myth box copes with it

[15:13:08]

dustybin:

yes i will delete it after...

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justinh:

dustybin: it won't be representative of anything

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dustybin:

why not

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iamlindoro:

Too bad it won't tell you anything about how your system would play real Bluray material

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dustybin:

dam

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iamlindoro:

heh, justinh beat me to it

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justinh:

x264 means it's been transcoded already

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dustybin:

oh

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dustybin:

why the f*** isnt there any samples out there

[15:14:04]

dustybin:

free royalty free ones for testing

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justinh:

I considered making one the other day then decided I CBA

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iamlindoro:

Because the BluRay Alliance is in the business of selling you things, and not giving you content to test whether you can play ripped copies of their stuff?

[15:15:07]

dustybin:

hmm

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justinh:

anyway, re a sky theme... is anybody seriously saying this looks better than ANY mythtv UI?

[15:15:27]

justinh:

http://www.pvruk.co.uk/Site_imgs/epg_skyplus.jpg

[15:15:29]

directhex:

iulius?

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dustybin:

i was joking :P

[15:15:49]

dustybin:

it just shows you, mythtv themes arent actually that bad

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iamlindoro:

Whale's-vagina-wide

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justinh:

they are, in comparison to good ones

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dustybin:

aye

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BSG75:

any of you know how to get mythtv upnp server working under PS3?? I see the my machine but when I browse to the video folder there is nothing there..

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** justinh pats his never-to-be-released theme & strokes it gently **

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** dustybin scps the theme from justinh box into his **

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justinh:

dustybin couldn't pwn his way out of a paper bag

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dustybin:

:P

[15:17:37]

** dustybin trys social engineering instead **

[15:18:47]

justinh:

jeus diesel is expensive up here

[15:18:52]

justinh:

132.9 !

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jduggan:

mmmmoooooon pig

[15:19:09]

dustybin:

the whole of the UK is expensive

[15:19:14]

jduggan:

wow, lorra lorra dollar

[15:19:31]

justinh:

125.9 10 miles away though. worth the journey

[15:21:03]

dustybin:

i think debian lenny will go on my mac mini, hopefully it will be released this year

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BSG75:

any of you know how to get mythtv upnp server working under PS3?? I see the my machine but when I browse to the video folder there is nothing there.. does anyone know if the upnp from mythtv works under ps3?

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justinh:

well, orf I go to fillerup

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justinh:

does anybody keep seeing that question nobody can be bothered to answer?

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justinh:

if !clue { doAskQuestionRelentlessly}

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XLV:

justinh, what programming language is that?

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dustybin:

out of interest, would a PS3 make a good HD frontend like a Mac Mini

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justinh:

dustybin: not until it gets accelerated video in linux

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BSG75:

justinh: if you dont' know an answer try acting less like an ass

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directhex:

not a "real" frontend

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justinh:

XLV: MAKEITUP

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dustybin:

ok

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directhex:

for upnp... dunno. GreyFoxx, did you fix whatever it was that made recordings not work anymore on the ps3 after they updated the firmware?

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XLV:

BSG75, repeating isnt considered that polite either

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justinh:

me, try not acting like an ass? try not posting the same unclued question repeatedly when it's obvious nobody knows or can be bothered to answer

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BSG75:

xlv: who knows.. questions fly by .. many times I miss questions because I was busy .. but whatever

[15:25:26]

justinh:

try looking in the wiki

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justdave:

got mythbuntu on my Mini. So far, other than the initial confusion with the DVI+Svideo screens both being active, and trying to get USB speakers to work in Myth I haven't had issues

[15:25:44]

dustybin:

BSG75: you need to read up a bit more like i do

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justinh:

but then again with game console firmware being as changeable as the wind, last week's 'known to work' becomes 'totally frickin useless' overnight

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BSG75:

dustybin: reading for 3 days now .. tons of ppl are at the same point as me .. they see their mythtv server .. but no files

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justinh:

the U in upnp does actually stand for 'universal' but only in the sense that there's a universe of perculiarities between 'the standard' from box to box. good eh?

[15:27:20]

BSG75:

justinh: LOL yeah

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BSG75:

justinh: and ps3 seems like a pain in the butt for upnp servers.. I have mediatomb running right now .. but I have 2 mythtv instances running in my house for a long while now .. it will be great to just have myth running for everything

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justinh:

wonder whatever happened to *standard* standards. imagine you bought an audio CD & it would only play in some CD players. Can you spell retarded?

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directhex:

which version of myth are you running?

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directhex:

0.21 release ispretty broken ps3wise

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justinh:

oh wait.. sony were responsible for audio cds not playing in every concievable cd player. doh

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directhex:

0.21-fixes has some, um, fixes. that should make mythvideo behave

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justinh:

have many packages caught up yet?

[15:30:09]

BSG75:

one sec .. babby

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justinh:

even XBMC invented their own server thing ffs

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directhex:

varies per-distro of course

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directhex:

ubuntu stable has 0.21.0+fixes16838

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justinh:

course I spose it's mythtv's fault for not having 7 day release cycles

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directhex:

or any vaguely measurable release cycle at all

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justinh:

heh. developer apathy. love it

[15:32:02]

justinh:

with stuff like the mythui port & the qt4 port, good luck tying it down to a date

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directhex:

the eleventeenth of smarch

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BSG75:

.21200

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wagner:

i thought FFS was an old 90's era file system

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BSG75:

I am running ubuntu 7.10 amd64

[15:34:11]

dustybin:

if anyone hasnt seen the peep show check them out, they are the funniest thing on TV ive seen for a long time (IMO)

[15:34:14]

dustybin:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=p . . . search_type=

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justinh:

yay post links to youtube videos of copyrighted material uploaded without permission!

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dustybin:

thats youtubes responsibility

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justinh:

posting links to illegal stuff is against the rules here

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dustybin:

i thought if it was on youtube its ok

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dustybin:

how do they get away with it?

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justinh:

they generally don't

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dustybin:

oh ok, i wont do it again..

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wagner:

they take it down as soon as the copyright holder finds it

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justinh:

fair to say they 'get away with it' til the rights holder finds out

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directhex:

release: 0.20.2–0ubuntu10

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directhex:

backports: 0.21.0–0ubuntu2~gutsy1

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directhex:

updates: 0.20.2–0ubuntu10.1

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directhex:

BSG75, those are the versions in (obsolete) 7.10. 0.20 has effectively no upnp support, and 0.21 release is pretty broken with it

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BSG75:

thank you

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justinh:

I thought ubuntu were doing weekly -fixes builds now

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directhex:

justinh, for ubuntu stable, sure

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directhex:

justinh, tracking changed dependencies across multiple releases on a weekly basis sorta sucks. and it's been 2 months since 8.04 became the stable release

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BSG75:

I will wait till they update

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directhex:

join #ubuntu-mythtv and persuade them to push out a backport to a short-term-support release

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justinh:

or just build from source. easy as pie

[15:43:56]

justinh:

small price to pay for up to date software if it's just the one thing

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directhex:

or, for the happy medium that doesn't involve fucking with init et al manually, build the source package from intrepid

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BSG75:

I will build it myth from source tonight

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justinh:

release-0-21-fixes, not trunk though

[15:46:34]

BSG75:

can I do svn?

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justinh:

if by that you mean trunk, don't

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justinh:

you could, but I want none of your blood on my hands

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BSG75:

LOL

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justinh:

seriously wouldn't advise it if you want happy camping

[15:49:08]

BSG75:

okidoki

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XLV:

directhex, got any links on that source package and process?

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justinh:

ugh intrepid as in 'intrepid ibex' ?

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XLV:

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source . . . 416-0ubuntu1 this one?

[15:55:20]

XLV:

packages.ubuntu.com is down?

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justinh:

all I did was back up the init script, uninstall the mythtv binary packages, get all the build-dep stuff (apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins) , build & install to /usr/local – edit the init script to reflect /usr/local instead of /usr

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BSG75:

thanks guys

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Sypher|NL:

Hi all.. I have an odd problem. My sound works flawlessly in Amarok, Videolan, Mplayer, Last.fm client, Rhythmbox etc etc. Watching video's using MythVideo works without a problem, but I am unable to use the MythMusic plugin. There is no sound, and there is no information about the song. The artist/title/album is there but the bitrate/time/etc is missing. Mythfrontend.log is complaining about wanting 44100 but getting 48000... Wha

[16:11:31]

Sypher|NL:

t can I do to fix this problem? I've been quite stuck on this for some hours now.. I hope someone can help me out, thanks!

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EvilGuru:

Sypher|NL: I am not sure if this will help at all, but have you tried playing any 48KHz material in MythMusic?

[16:14:07]

EvilGuru:

This should at least eliminate if the sampling rate thing is the issue

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Sypher|NL:

Thats an option, but where can i get such a file?

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EvilGuru:

You could possibly make one yourself using something like audcaity

[16:15:21]

EvilGuru:

*audacity

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Sypher|NL:

ah okay

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Sypher|NL:

lets have a look then

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EvilGuru:

However, I'll be honest and say I am unsure if it is causing the problem or not

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Sypher|NL:

o btw. i tried to force it to 44100 using Alsa but that just ended up in very bad sound

[16:15:51]

Sypher|NL:

it sounded quite distorted

[16:16:31]

Sypher|NL:

isn't it possible to change the internal music player to something else?

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EvilGuru:

Yes, some sound cards (namely Creative Audigy ones) always use 48KHz internally

[16:16:45]

ttist25:

justinh: I installed libdvdcss2 package and got mplayer to play a DVD! Thanks bud!

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directhex:

XLV, yeah. grab the .dsc file, run "dget -x path/to/myth.dsc", and follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto

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devicenull:

Is there a way to fix fast forward? Whenever I go past 3x, the audio and video desync and I cant tell where I actually am

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Sypher|NL:

and thats the exact card i have, EvilGuru ...

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ttist25:

Can you point me to a resource I can use to tell myth to use mplayer in fullscreen for DVD's?

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EvilGuru:

Sypher|NL: One thing you might want to do, then, is in ~/.asoundrc put the line "defaults.pcm.rate_converter "samplerate_best""

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Sypher|NL:

wouldn't that file override my settings in asound.conf (i've got a default block in there)

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EvilGuru:

By default, when ALSA has to do samplerate conversion it uses low-quality linear interpolation. Assuming you have libsamplerate installed (v. likely) this should provide slightly better quality

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EvilGuru:

You could, of course add it onto the end of the file (assuming it is not already there)

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Sypher|NL:

This >> http://paste.ubuntu.com/18082/ << is my current ALSA config I am using succesfully with all the other apps

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Sypher|NL:

o crap copy pasting went wrong

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Sypher|NL:

ah well you get the picture right

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dsio:

I've been looking through the MythTV wiki at tuner card options and had settled on dvico dual tuner card, which seams to be no longer supported with a new revision, it looks like the Nova T 500 is a pretty good choice for the same features but I'm wondering if anyone has a better suggestion for a dual tuner DVB-T

[16:57:27]

|gunni|:

ttist25: Look in the mythfrontend configuration, there you can edit the dvd player command

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gbee:

so CoreAVC ain't as good as it's reputation suggests :/

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wagner:

gbee: it used to be, but the other codecs have caught up in performance

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gbee:

wagner: can't handle some broadcast HD streams that ffmpeg has no problems with, at least on my hardware

[17:00:28]

wagner:

well they seem to have deinterlace and some other filters included in the codec

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GreyFoxx:

poor playback or just fails altogether ?

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wagner:

how does ffmpeg fare when you enable those?

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: stutters

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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justinh:

evenin

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gbee:

wagner: deint is enabled and works fine with ffmpeg, admittedly them loop filter is disabled with ffmpeg and not with CoreAVC, but given Core is supposed to be faster that shouldn't have caused a problem

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gbee:

either way, it's not really what I was looking or hoping for

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wagner:

well last i tried it, core was still noticeably faster with ffdshow under windows

[17:03:26]

wagner:

i suppose the emulation layer required to run coreavc in linux imposes too much overhead

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gbee:

so far HD is causing me headaches – if it's not the fact that the DVB-S card I've got seems to introduce noise on the BBC HD frequency (and only that frequency), it's that the auxillary audio-in on the HD tv doesn't seem to work, or that ITV HD requires CoreAVC but that doesn't work with other channels ...

[17:07:57]

gbee:

spent a heap of money putting everything together and not getting the results :(

[17:07:58]

wagner:

it requires it?

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gbee:

wagner: uses PAFF + SPatial that ffmpeg can't handle, apparently – just patching things so I can actually get video to test that

[17:09:28]

gbee:

of course the money is on CoreAVC similarly failing to render ITV HD – just to screw me a little more ;)

[17:09:46]

gbee:

justinh: sorry, didn't see you there – good evening :)

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gbee:

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gbee:

can't even say that HD is worth the time and cost

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gbee:

heh, my copy of avformatdecoder has more patches than a rag doll

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** EvilGuru will hold off a bit **

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wagner:

i need to get a better antenna for my stuff

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wagner:

ive just got a pair of crappy 'bunny ears' plugged into my tuner

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wagner:

decoding is just fine, but far too often the signal drops below a point where i can actually decode it

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justinh:

bbc switching hd to s2? ffs

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justinh:

thought that'd be a way away

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justinh:

wagner: FWIW indoor aerials are never good enough even when you can see the mast IME

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gbee:

justinh: no idea when they'll do it, I'm just guessing that with my luck so far it will happen tomorrow ;)

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justinh:

heh

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wagner:

justinh: according to antennaweb, im only 5–7 mi away from all the towers i want to access

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wagner:

some channels come in great, some are about at reception limit

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wagner:

so they can drop out in poor or humid weather

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gbee:

the good news is, that if they switch to DVB-S2, one way or another my signal quality issue should disappear

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justinh:

yeah well as I said in my experience even when you're spitting distance from the tower, reception can be icky

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gbee:

I've heard a lot of people say it's worse when you live right on top of the tower

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justinh:

bricks & mortar are not kind to radio frequencies

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justinh:

gbee: at my parents' house they had no end of trouble. Pontop Pike is like a mile away as the crow flies

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gbee:

although 5–7 miles is far enough away that you shouldn't see the same sorts of issues

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wagner:

actually, i was wondering if i could just run some bare wire along the mortar on the opposite side of the wall

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justinh:

at the power outputs they operate digital services at it's any wonder they work at all

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wagner:

im looking for a solution that i wont be able to see

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justinh:

having windows doesn't help if you have 'k' glass either

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wagner:

get several lengths of wire lining the mortar in between the bricks

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gbee:

think I'm going to jump on ebay and look for a cheap DVB-S card

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wagner:

sort of as a DIY yagi

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justinh:

wagner: a 1/4 wave dipole would maybe do you

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justinh:

don't imagine a yagi mounted on the wall would be any good

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justinh:

not pointing straight up, or down

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wagner:

they have to be mounted horizonatally to have an effect, rather than vertical

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justinh:

and you need to insulate it from the brick

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wagner:

well... insulated wire, not bare

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justinh:

otherwise it'll just couple itself to ground capacitively – even with insulated wire

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wagner:

i was probably just going to strip some 24-gauge out of cat-6

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justinh:

stand it off from the wall at least an inch

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justinh:

whatever pins it up there, insulate that from the supports too

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wagner:

so, probably better just to mount something small off the corner of the house

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justinh:

gbee: got the shock of my life in newcastle today – been only a few years since I last shopped there & it's like WHOAH NEW now

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gbee:

heh

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gbee:

that's a bit of a haul for you isn't it? Newcastle from Manchester?

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justinh:

knocks manchester neatly into a hat IMHO

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justinh:

yeah well we're visiting our parents this weekend

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directhex:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7442068.stm

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directhex:

'bout bloody time

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justinh:

and my folks have gone out so I'll be out in my home town tonight. shudder

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directhex:

gbee, MONDAY for s2? you're kidding :|

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justinh:

stilted conversations about what all my old friends have (or more likely haven't) been up to since we last met up

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gbee:

directhex: YES

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gbee:

I'm kidding ...

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justinh:

was clinton joking when she made that comment about kennedy being assassinated?

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ALVAN:

there is a linux driver for Philips saa7162 chip ??

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wagner:

no, clinton was being absent minded

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justinh:

ALVAN: linuxtv.org wiki says no: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Saa7162_devices

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directhex:

justinh, no, she was bringing up a completely random point about june. 6 times.

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wagner:

their entire purpose as a politician is to very planned, and not say stupid shit like that

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justinh:

ah ok so when obama is killed it'll have nothing to do with her. that's ok then

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gbee:

justinh: ahh, yeah, tend to avoid running into people I know when I return to areas I used to live, don't really enjoy those conversations ;)

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ALVAN:

justdave, i just read taht before and i did not saw when it says no ... strange this driver is in development since 2007

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justinh:

ALVAN: the only definitive way to find out is to search their mailing list archives & failing that, look in the Hg source code

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ALVAN:

ok

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justinh:

sadly as with many things which rely on users to keep them up to date, the linuxtv.org wiki is often well behind reality

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gbee:

trying to remember the last time I visited Newcastle, but not a lot is coming back to me :)

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justinh:

the driver devs are busy, devving drivers :)

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gbee:

linuxtv wiki is unfortunately extremely poor

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directhex:

better than a kick in the teeth

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justinh:

gbee: ah you drank as a local would then :P

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gbee:

justinh: like I said, I don't remember :p

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justinh:

I'm not actually going out into toon tonight (but will at the drop of a hat) – not til my birthday

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gbee:

went up with a friend from uni, it's his hometown

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justinh:

had rory on the beach this morning. not sure what to make of the sea, our doggy

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justinh:

if I can get a job back up here I'll up sticks like a shot

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justinh:

right. time to copy this load of pngs to my frontend's nfsroot

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gbee:

is there support for the DVB-S part of the Nova-HD-S2 in the kernel? I know use of the S2 relies on multiproto but I found an old discussion about merging the working parts of the driver until multiproto was complete

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justinh:

I thought only dvb-s worked with multiproto in mythtv

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justinh:

and it's done as virtual frontends or somesuch jiggerypokery

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gbee:

wanted to avoid the multiproto patches, but I guess I can live with them if I have to

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justinh:

I hope I'm wrong of course

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justinh:

gbee: looking fwd to seeing what mythui can do with this: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/gw/gw8.png

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gbee:

nice

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gbee:

f'all dvb-s cards on ebay

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justinh:

been redoing all the watermarks to eliminate the nasty 'duplo' people I used

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justinh:

gbee: still having signal issues?

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gbee:

I like it, looks sophisticated :)

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gbee:

justinh: yeah, I'm blaming the card, I've ruled out the dish/cable as the old Sky box has no problems with the channels on that mplex

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justinh:

gbee: oh you might know this actually – if you have a 10x10 image file but in a theme you stretch it to 1280x500 does it occupy 10x10 pixel memory or 1280x500 ?

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gbee:

the fact that all frequincies above and below the BBC HD one report zero errors is also suspicious

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gbee:

justinh: 1280x500

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justinh:

thanks. couldn't remember – no big deal but good for keeping disk usage size down

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gbee:

since we stretch it before drawing and keep it that way to overvoid the overhead that realtime scaling would cause with the QT painter

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gbee:

e.g. during redraws

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justinh:

heh – so the screen blinks as opposed to looking like it's being downloaded over a dialup connection

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gbee:

I see ebay hasn't changed much, idiots still overpaying for stuff

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justinh:

it's worse than it ever was IMHO

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justinh:

great place for sellers. only less so since june 1st

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dustybin:

ebayiots

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justinh:

best find something with an ending time at silly o clock – middle of the night or else during working hours ;)

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dustybin:

im going out tonight, ive started on my first beer..

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dustybin:

my body isnt used to socializing

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** dustybin drinks more **

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gbee:

ebay doesn't just doesn't have any DVB-S/DVB-S2 cards atm

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dustybin:

try craigslist

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Wow, that's actually amazing

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Sypher|NL:

jay.. solved my audio problem in MythMusic and now it works.. But i can't turn down the volume or mute is.. Suggestions? :)

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gbee:

iamlindoro__: not in the UK and not PCI – hundreds of USB thingys from Hong Kong though and a couple of Compro 350s which have zero linux support

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iamlindoro:

ah, I see

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gbee:

unfortunately scan doesn't have the HD-S2, so I can't making any savings there

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justinh:

use the old fashioned method of turning the amplification device up & down :)

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dustybin:

if it wasnt for HD breaking through soon id buy another Nova-T 500, now that you can get them running solid and stable they are ace

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dustybin:

when UK freeview goes HD, could a Nova-T pick up the mpg anyway?

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gbee:

yes

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gbee:

unless they switch to DVB-T2, in which case maybe not

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justinh:

when hell freezes over & we get terrestrial HDTV, it'll more than likely be dvb-t2

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justinh:

prace bets now!

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justinh:

ofcom said as much, so it'll likely become fact when the dvb-t2 standard becomes real

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gbee:

wonder who I can petition within the BBC to move BBC HD to another transponder

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justinh:

and when sdtv channels change to dvb-t2, I imagine quite a lot of fuss will be generated

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** justinh has a friend who is high up in bbc interactive **

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justinh:

there'll be loads of "so, all this digital gear we bought is going to be useless with this new 't2' thingy? WAHHHHHHHHHHHH" :)

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justinh:

eep taxi time

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justinh:

LASH!

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gbee:

think the plan, at least at first, will be for a single mux carrying the HD channels to go FTA and once people have upgraded their STBs to get the shiny stuff they'll pull the rug out from under the OAPs who are happy with SD

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gbee:

FTA? DVB-T2

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gbee:

might just bite the bullet and buy the Nova-HD-S2 .... again

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Sypher|NL:

Folks, how can i arrange my "pcm.upmix" to have an control so i can control the volume. My config: http://paste.ubuntu.com/18115/

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EvilGuru:

Won't DVB-T2 be a few years off?

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rstory:

anyone using minimyth? I'm having a devil of a time trying to figure out where to put the ssh key to enable ssh access...

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destructar:

hi... i'm using a dch3200 cable box with Comcast as my provider... trying to control via Firewire ports (IEEE-1394)

[19:04:42]

destructar:

can't seem to get any HD channels this way... i'm located downtown chicago... does the cable company generally have to enable these ports from their end?

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destructar:

in other words: do they block the signal somehow, or am I just facing setup issues?

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otwin:

rstory: i have ssh disbled and access minimyth through telnet – do you really need ssh?

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destructar:

on the phone with customer support right now and they're completely oblivious to this ports existence

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destructar:

also: i'm able to change channels just fine, but not getting a visual

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haffe_:

Hello. Could somebody help me with this problem?

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iamlindoro:

destructar: The box really has nothing to do with it, as the enabling of the port is on a per-headend basis-- Comcast, especially anywhere besides the West Coast, tends to 5C (Copy protect) the shit out of their channels.

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destructar:

oh

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iamlindoro:

destructar: If you can change channels but not get TV, that's pretty much par for the course

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destructar:

isn't that illegal now?

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iamlindoro:

No

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rstory:

otwin: hmmm... good point.. old habits die hard, i guess...

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iamlindoro:

There is an FCC regulation (not a law) that requires they have a funcitonal firewire port

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iamlindoro:

But doesn't bother to define what functional is

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iamlindoro:

Most people interpret it as "must give you at least locals" via firewire, but in the strictest sense of the word, if you can change channels, they can probably get away with it

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haffe_:

I'm trying to install mythbuntu 8.04 on my computer, with a dvb-t card (happague nova-t 500). I have verified that the card works, since I can watch tv from it. However, I'm utterlly confused by the mythbuntu configuration interface. Under tv-cards. Should I add my card as dvb V3.0 ?

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destructar:

iamlindoro: i see

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iamlindoro:

destructar: FCC regulation is question is here: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachm . . . 03-225A1.pdf

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destructar:

she just told me that they would provide a cable card for TiVO

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iamlindoro:

"(i) Effective April 1, 2004, upon request of a customer, replace any leased high definition set-top box, which does not include a functional IEEE 1394 interface, with one that includes a functional IEEE 1394 interface or upgrade the customer's set-top box by download or other means to ensure that the IEEE 1394 interface is functional."

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destructar:

i'm blowing her mind with my "custom box"

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iamlindoro:

destructar: Well if you have a TiVo, you can do that I suppose... but cable card no worky in linux

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destructar:

right understood

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destructar:

well this is sucky

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destructar:

she said they would provide a cable card for my TV but of course that's useless

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iamlindoro:

ah-yup

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destructar:

is there any way round this, legal or otherwise?

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iamlindoro:

welcome to our hatred of cable cos

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destructar:

yea no doubt

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iamlindoro:

destructar: Nope

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iamlindoro:

ou can file a complaint, but as the regulation just says functional and does say "gives you Teevee," you'll be pissing up a rope as it were

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iamlindoro:

er doesn't say

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destructar:

so where does the 5C actually take place... i mean, if I can see it fine on my television using HDMI cables, does it get encrypted for firewire ports only?

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iamlindoro:

Or you can move to the SF bay area or Seattle area where we get sweet swet firewire on 95% of our channels

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iamlindoro:

5C is specifically to do with firewire ports

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destructar:

meaning: is there a way to make my hdmi ports on my box receivers rather than transmitters?

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iamlindoro:

And no, there is no hack to remocve it

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iamlindoro:

destructar: No

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destructar:

i already hated comcast now I hate them even more

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destructar:

ok so last question:

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iamlindoro:

Time to buy a Hauppauge HD-PVR and capture HD via component, methinks

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destructar:

yes i have one

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destructar:

that's what i was going to ask:

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iamlindoro:

then just hold your horses and be patient waiting for support

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destructar:

i have hdhomerun, is there a way to record via hdhomerun and change channels with firewire?

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iamlindoro:

The Hauppauge HD-PVR and the HDHomeRun are *entirely* different, you know that, right?

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destructar:

i know about the lirc channel changing options, but it would be easier to just control channels via firewire

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destructar:

iamlindoro: yes... i know hauppauge is a card etc... but I don't know if they handle video differently?

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iamlindoro:

The Hauppauge unit is not a card and has no relation to your HDHomeRun

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iamlindoro:

further, your HDHomerun is useless for all your encrypted channels (ie you can't go out of a STB into the HDHomeRun)

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destructar:

oh i see... looking now

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destructar:

so encryption is also placed on coaxial ports?

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iamlindoro:

You HDHomeRun is for connecting directly to the wall-- your STB cannot "decrypt" the channels and feed it to the HDHomeRun

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iamlindoro:

And when it's connected to the wall, only the unencrypted channels will be visible-- and that's usually just network TV and local community college channels

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destructar:

damn

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destructar:

Hauppauge HD-PVR is expensive-ish

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destructar:

but it works perfectly?

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jblack:

I'm mystified that the FCC is allowing this.

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destructar:

what does Hauppauge HD-PVR have that allows it to function? is it illegal?

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iamlindoro:

Yep, but as the component out is the only entirely unencrypted/unprotected HD source out of your box, it's the only option-- and nobody would know if it works well as the linux drivers are still in progress

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destructar:

oh

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destructar:

exactly

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iamlindoro:

destructar: It is perfectly legal.

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EvilGuru:

13Mib/s, isn't that a bit low for 1080i H.264?

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EvilGuru:

*MB

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iamlindoro:

Not at all

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destructar:

right i remember reading something about component

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iamlindoro:

EvilGuru: 13.5 Mbit h.264 is equivalent to at *least* 20 Mbit MPEG-2

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destructar:

is there a Hauppauge card that works the same?

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iamlindoro:

destructar: Do you mean card rather than USB device? No. This device is the first of its kind

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destructar:

i see

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destructar:

well i'm kinda frustrated now

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iamlindoro:

As there is a long waiting list, there will be linux drivers and myth support long before you could get your hands on one ;)

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destructar:

is satellite just as bad as cable for all this?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, worse

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nuonguy:

I placed my order today and they said it'll ship in 4–7 days

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iamlindoro:

nuonguy: a) There probably will be a driver (and probably myth support too) in that timeframe, and b) Yeah, wake me when it gets there ;)

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nuonguy:

ha

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destructar:

i can hardly believe there's no driver out there that can decrypt this stuff. this is basically a monopoly on entertainment of sorts.

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destructar:

i think i'm going to be in a bad mood for the rest of the day now

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EvilGuru:

destructar: Be crappy encryption if it were that easy to crack

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iamlindoro:

destructar: Even if there was a way to decrypt cable (and there's not, so don't waste time), it would be unwelcome tlak in this room

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nuonguy:

comcast changed their policy on me from clear firewire to 5C for everything

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iamlindoro:

talk

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iamlindoro:

s/room/channel

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destructar:

iamlindoro: understood, just getting pissed thinking about it is all

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iamlindoro:

yep, we've all been there, feel your pain

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iamlindoro:

That's really where all the excitement about the HD-PVR over the past few months has come from

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iamlindoro:

finally a path to get great-quality HD, in a great codec, from just about any device.

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EvilGuru:

On-the-fly H.264 does seem really neat

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iamlindoro:

And then when thye somehow manage to sneak through disabling of the component outputs... Well, there are ways to convert HDMI to component :)

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EvilGuru:

But I think that Sky (satellite TV in the UK) have the ability to turn off component out if they want

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iamlindoro:

And then they can suck it

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iamlindoro:

EvilGuru: ergo what I said above, for which they can do nuffin'!

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iamlindoro:

;)

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EvilGuru:

iamlindoro: Didn't some Chinese/Taiwanese company produce a HDCP stripper box?

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wagner:

jblack: why would the FCC care? all it does is captures an analog source

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AndyCap:

EvilGuru: they made a "splitter" iirc.

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iamlindoro:

EvilGuru: There are many such devices, but some of the better ones are actually american made

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iamlindoro:

Git 'em while they're legal, folks!

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wagner:

there are already a number of devices that do such a thing, the difference is that they are all professional-grade products, and are well >$1000

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jduggan:

iamlindoro: HDMI to component? what about the hdcp stuff?

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jduggan:

iamlindoro: stb's dont do hdcp?

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wagner:

this is just the first one made inexpensively

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wagner:

analog doesnt do hdcp

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iamlindoro:

wagner: There are dozens of $200ish devices

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wagner:

iamlindoro: yes, and they dont capture more than 480i

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iamlindoro:

wagner: wrong

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iamlindoro:

hdfury.com

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iamlindoro:

Is jsut one example

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iamlindoro:

jduggan: Yes, they do HDCP, the strippers act as an HDCP "peer" so the box thinks it's a perfectly valid HDCP-compliant device

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jduggan:

iamlindoro: and how's the legality with that?

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jduggan:

iamlindoro: nm, go shower :)

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sid3windr:

- HDCP rules compliant: no end-user easy access to decrypted analog video.

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iamlindoro:

jduggan: "grey"

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sid3windr:

(from hdfury.com)

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sid3windr:

o_O :]

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AndyCap:

sid3windr: they screwued up that one I guess. substitute analog with digital

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wagner:

iamlindoro: unless im reading this wrong, hdfury is just a HDMI to analog adapter, rather than an analog capture device

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iamlindoro:

wagner: Correct. It's a means of converting HDMI to component for the HD-PVR

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iamlindoro:

whilst also bypassing HDCP worries

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wagner:

im saying none of the other inexpensive component capture devices do better than 480i

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sid3windr:

$139 hmm. :)

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iamlindoro:

wagner: Ah, we got our wires crossed here

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AndyCap:

wagner: they do 576i. :)

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wagner:

damn you PALs

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iamlindoro:

wagner: I had been discussing the HDMI->Component converters, and you were talking about the HD-PVR... duh, we're on the same page :)

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Dagmar:

All the others are composite, not component

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wagner:

Dagmar: you can get component capture devices, you have been able to for some time, but unless you want to spend some considerable cash, they were all 480i

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Dagmar:

I've never seen 'em

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wagner:

so you may as well just go with composite or svideo

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jduggan:

EvilGuru: why would you want it in the UK :)

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jduggan:

EvilGuru: BBC/ITV HD is already FTA

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EvilGuru:

jduggan: Sky boxes

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jduggan:

and sky content is.. well... shit

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jduggan:

:)

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Dagmar:

When you guys stop trying to make scan-lines an epeen issues.

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Dagmar:

;)

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jduggan:

EvilGuru: and rumour has it 4 HD will go FTA also (possibly october)

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EvilGuru:

Great... big brother in HD

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jduggan:

EvilGuru: to paraphrase justinh... sky HD is lego :)

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wagner:

Dagmar: the Leadtek PVR3000 has component input, but it only supports 480i

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destructar:

iamlindoro: is there a component to coaxial converter out there?

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destructar:

if so, wouldn't that work? i'm currently looking for it on google

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destructar:

by wouldn't that work i mean: wouldn't that work for hdhomerun (see above discussion from about 45 minutes ago :) )

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wagner:

think the splits are about over?

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EvilGuru:

Has anyone tried anything similar to the HDPVR using the VIVO capabilities present on most ATI cards?

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wagner:

evilguru: they dont have HD inputs

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jduggan:

so that hauppauge hdpvr is compatible to record HD from the SKY HD stb?

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Dagmar:

evilguru: You said ATI. Put down the bong.

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EvilGuru:

jduggan: Component is component

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jduggan:

Dagmar: lol

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destructar:

ok so it looks like i'm referring to an RF Modulator ?

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destructar:

unencrypted component in, coxial out... RF Modulator won't encrypt, so you should be able to plugin to HDHomerun box, right? or is there going to be a major loss of quality?

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destructar:

*coaxial

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EvilGuru:

Dagmar: Also tmp64 might be better off defined 'in' the case block

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EvilGuru:

Or in the for (...) { } block even

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Dagmar:

Why you telling me this?

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EvilGuru:

Dagmar: Oh, it wasn't you who wrote it?

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EvilGuru:

Sorry there

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Dagmar:

You would be better off having a drink from something under the sink than putting any C I wrote in kernel-space.

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Dagmar:

It would definitely be safer to just pull something out of there and drink it without looking at it.

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wagner:

you can write code that will cause your computer to grow arms and attack you?

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Dagmar:

Seems like it would be less CPU to only instantate it one

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Dagmar:

s/one/once/;

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jpabq:

I had it there originally, but moved it up to the top.

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jpabq:

With that type of variable there really is no penalty for construction, but there is with some types.

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EvilGuru:

Compiler will optimise it all away

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Dagmar:

The parts of C I know are pretty much from Bugtraq. Everything else I know of C is stuff I know about from other languages I've dealt with

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EvilGuru:

as will the for (i = 0; i < 3; ++i) ones (bytes[1] *= bytes[6] + 1)

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jpabq:

That routine is so small now, that it is pretty obvious how the pieces work.

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wagner:

that hdfury chip has to strip the hdcp before it can convert to vga

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jpabq:

janneg, has really simplified the algorithm. It actually looks like C now instead of assembly turned into C.

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wagner:

you think its possible to tap into that before the conversion, or is it all done in one chip

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jpabq:

The only reason the hd fury is still available for sale, is because it converts to analog, rather than giving you access to the digital.

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jpabq:

Otherwise the MPAA would have shut them down by now.

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wagner:

i realize that, externally it only provides access to the analog

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wagner:

but what about internally

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wagner:

i mean how hard would it be to get at the digital signal

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wagner:

are there leads in between two chips that you could get at

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jpabq:

Don't know. Guess you will have to buy one and find out :p

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jpabq:

It is soo small, that I bet it is a single chip solution.... hdmi in, rgb out.

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EvilGuru:

jpabq: I would've thought HDCP removal would be a mass produced specialist chiop

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jpabq:

You might have more luck with his new hdmi 1.3 version. http://www.curtpalme.com/EXT-FULLHD.shtm

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EvilGuru:

Although for C I tend to do foo *ptr; as opposed to foo* ptr;

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EvilGuru:

*C++

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jpabq:

What's up with all the "has quit", followed buy "joined" messages? Or am I the only one seeing them?

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EvilGuru:

jpabq: Netsplits

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wagner:

jpabq: youre relatively new to IRC arent you

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jpabq:

Yup. Only joined a week ago.

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jpabq:

sphery sent me here when I was obsessing about the hd-pvr.

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wagner:

they usually arent a problem anymore, but they used to happen all the time

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wagner:

the IRC servers are multiple machines linked together

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wagner:

when the link drops, the room splits in half

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EvilGuru:

I presume there are drivers in development for the HDPVR now that the first few samples have shipped

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MinDKrime:

humm, why does my system nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller in audio devices and realtel ALC850 on alsa mixer?

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wagner:

evilguru: have you seen anyone talking about a 'riddle' on here in the last few days?

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EvilGuru:

wagner: Can't say I have

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wagner:

well anyway, there is some driver question/response issue with the hdpvr

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wagner:

the hdpvr will only talk to authorized drivers

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wagner:

so they have to figure out the hash before they can get the driver working

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wagner:

janneg is currently working on it

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janneg:

EvilGuru: the driver is almost finished

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EvilGuru:

wagner: Ah

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janneg:

I can currently crash my computer reliable with reading from the device

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EvilGuru:

Have they released specs for it?

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MinDKrime:

Ugg I hate trying to get spdif running

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janneg:

no, if I had specs the riddle wouldn't have been necessary

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EvilGuru:

How did you get the hash in the end? Bus snooping?

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jpabq:

Disassembled the windows driver.

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Berethend_:

Hey I'm having a minor problem with my MythTV running in Ubunut 8.04, anyone around to help? I read the sound problems FAQ with no success. I am getting a sound echo on video playback and the only way to correct it is to mute the master audio. Whenever I exit mythtv, the sound "resets" and becomes unmuted again so it's quite a pain to have to mute the master audio every time I want to watch...

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Berethend_:

...media. Any fixes?

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gbee:

yay, lamegrabbers

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Berethend_:

gbee, you think you could help me with a problem?

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gbee:

Berethend_: don't own a framegrabber so I can't really help

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Berethend_:

Alright, not sure I quite understand.

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gbee:

not funny guys, stop hiding – I'm not dealing with this one

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iamlindoro:

Berethend_: framegrabbers are the class of capture card that require the use of the sound card to capture audio-- they are about three generations old, and are extremely painful to deal with

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iamlindoro:

Most all of us have long since gotten rid of them in favor of hardware encoding capture cards or digital tuners

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Berethend_:

I'm not looking to capture sound though. (Pardon my ignorance if that's not what you meant)

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iamlindoro:

Berethend_: You capture the sound alongside the video when you watch TV or record it in myth

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Berethend_:

I'm using Mythtv solely for video playback of existing media on my HD.

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Berethend_:

Hmm, I see.

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iamlindoro:

Berethend_: In that case, you probably have an audio issue. I would seek help in #ubuntu-mythtv or #ubuntu, and mention that this is specific to previously-recorded video

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Satisfied? ;)

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** gbee offers iamlindoro__ a beer **

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iamlindoro:

Woohoo!

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Berethend_:

Alrighty, will do. I read in the myth TV FAQ though that all I had to do was mute my master volume with ALSA (which I did) and then set my audio output in mythtv to ALSA:default=(my sound card) which I did

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iamlindoro:

Appropriately enough, I just got some Kobe beef, had it ground and am marinating Kobe beef hamburgers in guinnes as we speak

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gbee:

of course the gesture is pretty hollow, since you don't actually get a beer

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iamlindoro:

Guinness, that is

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Berethend_:

unless I set my default output audio wrong in mythtv...? How would one set the audio device in mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

Berethend_: What you were reading is specific to the usage of a particular type of capture card-- if you are watching in MythVideo, it does not apply

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Berethend_:

Ahh, I see

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iamlindoro:

Berethend_: Utilities/Setup->Setup->General, page... somethingorother

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iamlindoro:

One of 'em

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gbee:

page 3/4 iirc

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iamlindoro:

^^ What he said

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iamlindoro:

I'm too busy thinking about my dinner to check

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Berethend_:

right, let me try setting the audio device there

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PatrickDK:

dinner? at 4pm?

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iamlindoro:

PatrickDK: preparing, not eating

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iamlindoro:

Need to marinate my burgers for a few hours

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iamlindoro:

them wrap them in bacon... then cook them... then crumble blue cheese over them, put cheddar on top of that, melt said cheeses, and put them on a crusty roll

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Berethend_:

Thanks for the help guys, but what should I ask when I get over to the ubuntu-mythtv channel?

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PatrickDK:

toss out the bluecheese

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iamlindoro:

Forget it, I loves my blue cheese

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iamlindoro:

And my Guinness marinade

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Berethend_:

Well I have solved the problem. Thanks for your help guys. I just hadn't entered my audio device properly into the settings. Have a nice everyone

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Berethend_:

Have a nice day*

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iamlindoro:

You too

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