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| [00:11:41] | dustybin: | what can possibly change for new releases of mythtv, everything has been done and it works! |
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| [00:12:32] | kormoc: | dustybin, qt4 port, mythui port, more mythweb improvements.... |
| [00:12:59] | dustybin: | aye ok! |
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| [00:13:30] | dustybin: | i wont ask questions, ill use google instead |
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| [00:15:07] | dustybin: | what will the difference between mythui and the interface it uses now? |
| [00:15:50] | kormoc: | much more flexibility for themes, allowing fancy effects |
| [00:16:26] | dustybin: | aye excellent :D themes are mythtvs weakest point at the moment (imo) |
| [00:17:09] | dustybin: | i wonder if i will be alive to see the release of mythtv 1.0 |
| [00:19:43] | kormoc: | universal heat death is a feature for 0.99 |
| [00:20:00] | dustybin: | o_0 |
| [00:20:41] | jblack: | good thing we can pause before that |
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| [00:31:25] | szakulec_: | I'm having trouble with mytharchive- I imported a video into mythvideo, grabbed the data from IMDB on it (great feature!), and then wanted to burn it to a DVD w/mytharchive. That's where I ran into problems- it tells me mytharchivehelper failed to find stream info, and the process ends |
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| [01:00:07] | wasabi: | Howdy. I don't suppose anybody hsa a good solution for using spdif out and letting myth control the volume on an amp? |
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| [01:10:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | wasabi: can't do it with spdif – you could possibly setup irc commands to re-broadcast an ir signal to your amp, but the ir signal to myth would interfere with the ir signal to the amp... |
| [01:10:39] | wasabi: | oh. amp is nowhere near set to |
| [01:10:39] | wasabi: | p |
| [01:10:47] | wasabi: | yeah, that's what I'm looking at. Grabbed a bunch of ir blasters. |
| [01:11:03] | wasabi: | Curious if anybody has gone down teh path of integrating such a thing into a lower level, like alsa or pulseaudio |
| [01:11:26] | wasabi: | that is, providing a fake device that combines an existing digital or line level out with a ir blaster to change vol |
| [01:16:48] | jblack: | what? Rip out a speaker and replace it with a LED and a resistor, then pump IR through your sound card? |
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| [01:30:14] | FooBar01: | wasabi: if you get an MCE remote, you can program the volume up/down to operate your amp |
| [01:30:29] | wasabi: | THe amp is no where near the set top box. |
| [01:30:35] | wasabi: | I'm talking quite a bit more complicated than that. |
| [01:30:55] | wasabi: | jblack: Um. Easier would be to program an Alsa plugin to do it. :) |
| [01:33:41] | FooBar01: | well, you could get one of those IR extender things |
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| [01:46:21] | wasabi: | and how is an ir extender going to help? |
| [01:47:43] | wasabi: | anyways, guess the answer then is "no". :) |
| [01:49:15] | iamlindoro: | What's tough about recording the volume up and down keys from your amp's remote, writing a shell script using "irsend SEND_ONCE myampsremotename Volup/down" and binding it w/ irexec to your volume up and down keys? |
| [01:49:44] | ventz: | I've been googling for "ac-tex damaged " and "Warning MVs not available" but I can't find anything useful. This happens when I run the script (from the website) for finding commercials, generating a cutlist, and then transcoding with the --honorcutlist |
| [01:50:14] | iamlindoro: | ventz: Those are messages related to damaged MPEG-2 streams, generally as a result of poor signal or broken streams coming from the broadcaster |
| [01:50:36] | ventz: | iamlindoro: is it anything I should concern over? |
| [01:50:57] | wasabi: | Nothing is tough abou tit. |
| [01:51:02] | ventz: | the video/sound are still absolutely great at the end |
| [01:51:13] | iamlindoro: | ventz: You can end up with video corruption and out-of-sync audio in extreme cases, so you should be doing everything you can to get the best signal possible |
| [01:51:13] | wasabi: | The condition wasn't that it not be tough, but that it be good. |
| [01:51:25] | iamlindoro: | wasabi: Well, that's good, do that ;) |
| [01:51:31] | wasabi: | I'd like recommendations on amps that let me set volume over rs232 or something |
| [01:51:34] | wasabi: | or usb |
| [01:51:49] | ventz: | iamlindoro: it's a cable (coax signal...there's not much I can do. I am also using the --mpeg2 option when cutting out the commercials |
| [01:51:54] | wasabi: | and ways to integrate that into the general mixer stack of the system. mythtv included, but more than mythtv |
| [01:51:57] | ventz: | for the "lossless" transcoding |
| [01:52:45] | iamlindoro: | ventz: There's lots you can do-- replace RG5 with RG 6 cable, make sure all the connectors are high quality, terminate any unused cable ports, remove splitters, etc. |
| [01:53:07] | iamlindoro: | If you end up with a good product at the end, then just ignore it |
| [01:53:17] | iamlindoro: | Just saying what *can* happen if it's extremely bad |
| [01:55:50] | ventz: | ok |
| [01:55:56] | ventz: | oh, I didn't know about the terminators |
| [01:55:59] | ventz: | i need to look at those |
| [01:57:39] | ventz: | Hmm, it seems that the transcoding didn't cut out the commercials :( |
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| [02:18:30] | Dagmar: | Oh god I'm loving this Jack Thompson disbarment stuff |
| [02:19:00] | Dagmar: | If they'll just show it on freaking CourtTV I will be forever glad that digital recordings can't degrade like watching a VHS tape 100 times would do |
| [02:22:22] | iamlindoro: | I believe he is genuinely mentally ill |
| [02:22:33] | iamlindoro: | You have to be to be so blatantly self-destructive |
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| [02:22:52] | Dagmar: | I believe he will attempt to claim he should be allowed to repply after spending a year in a mental institution |
| [02:22:59] | Dagmar: | er reapply |
| [02:23:11] | Dagmar: | I mean, damn, gay porn in a court submission? |
| [02:23:34] | Dagmar: | He'll claim he's "better" and he'll go back to being a legal troll. |
| [02:24:33] | iamlindoro: | Oh my, my Xbox360 somehow lost its clock... and that somehow set my GTA IV progress back about halfway! I fired up the game and was on, you guessed it, the mission to go see Fake-jack-thompson |
| [02:24:44] | Dagmar: | Which guy? |
| [02:24:54] | iamlindoro: | The Lawyer Interview thingie |
| [02:24:57] | Dagmar: | I can't remember if I've gotten that far |
| [02:24:58] | Dagmar: | Oh yeah |
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| [02:25:20] | Dagmar: | OHH... Yeah I really... really and truly enjoyed shooting that character in the face. |
| [02:25:36] | iamlindoro: | Heh, I just fixed the clock and hope the lost progress doesn't persist |
| [02:26:05] | Dagmar: | I wonder if he has slightly variable dialog like a lot of the rest of them do |
| [02:26:31] | iamlindoro: | I have played the mission a few times, he does have slightly different dialog each time |
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| [02:26:46] | Dagmar: | Awesome. |
| [02:27:07] | ventz: | can someone correct me: to cut out commercials you 1.) mythcommflag -f $FILE, 2.) mythcommflag --gencutlist -f $FILE, 3.) mythtranscode --honorcutlist --showprogress -i $FILE -o $FILE_W.O_COMMERCIALS |
| [02:27:18] | Dagmar: | When killing them has appeared to be an optional step, I usually just wait to see if the guy is going to say something I'd think he'd be better off dead than repeating. |
| [02:27:24] | ventz: | oh, and in step #3 I have "--mpeg2" |
| [02:27:53] | Dagmar: | Ventz: We clicky the buttons. |
| [02:27:57] | iamlindoro: | ventz: Again, --mpeg2 won't work with -i |
| [02:28:08] | iamlindoro: | you *must* use chain and startime instead |
| [02:28:20] | ventz: | interesting |
| [02:28:25] | ventz: | iamlindoro: it seems to run though... |
| [02:28:36] | iamlindoro: | *sigh* |
| [02:28:40] | iamlindoro: | fine, do as you like |
| [02:28:48] | iamlindoro: | you'll figure it out |
| [02:28:57] | Dagmar: | ventz: Just go into the recording selection and freakin tell it to do those things there. |
| [02:29:10] | Dagmar: | It's right there in the frontend with only a few button presses involved |
| [02:29:36] | Dagmar: | Job Options->Start Job->Commercial Flagging |
| [02:29:43] | Tomasu is now known as TomasuDlrrp | |
| [02:29:46] | Dagmar: | Job Options->Start Job->Transcode->High Quality (lossless) |
| [02:29:54] | Dagmar: | Way, way less trouble. |
| [02:29:58] | ventz: | Dagmar: the problem is I am using this box remotely |
| [02:30:08] | ventz: | it's not really in my house, plus, i want to be able to do this from the command line |
| [02:30:17] | Dagmar: | You have fun with that then |
| [02:30:20] | ventz: | heh |
| [02:30:29] | Dagmar: | I know better than to trust the commflagger to get it 100% right |
| [02:30:29] | ventz: | i know, been having fun all day :insert sarcasm: |
| [02:30:30] | ** iamlindoro points at the instructions that he has given *twice* now and have been apparently ignored ** | |
| [02:30:40] | iamlindoro: | I'm not just making the shit up |
| [02:30:56] | ventz: | iamlindoro: i am looking :) |
| [02:31:24] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: By the way, you can take a pass on Age of Conan unless you just have a ludicrously powerful machine and graphics card |
| [02:31:39] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar: I can take a pass regardless, I don't play an MMORPGs :) |
| [02:31:42] | iamlindoro: | any |
| [02:31:50] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: This one tho... This has to be a first. |
| [02:32:18] | Dagmar: | This is the first time I've seen actually *any* game where the stated system requirements were so ludcrously off the mark |
| [02:32:52] | Dagmar: | Their "minimum" involves a 7900 card. Their recommended is an 8800GT. I have an 8600GTS. You'd think this would be sufficient to run it at low settings |
| [02:32:57] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [02:33:01] | Dagmar: | Not so. |
| [02:33:04] | iamlindoro: | Crysis, the MMO? |
| [02:33:43] | Dagmar: | You have to do the first 20 levels as more or less single player missions, and there's one fight at the end of it where literally, the 20 guys on the screen dropped me to .2 fps |
| [02:34:07] | Dagmar: | ...and that is not a typo. |
| [02:34:54] | Dagmar: | I had to just hold down the run button, and every five seconds be able to see if I was able to just run past the lot of them |
| [02:35:11] | iamlindoro: | I'm just going to sit here and snipe bad guys in GTA |
| [02:35:32] | Dagmar: | I've gotten fond of letting the police do my dirty work |
| [02:36:29] | iamlindoro: | I like grenades :) |
| [02:36:31] | Dagmar: | 15 minutes of solid amusement: Hop into a cruiser, check the most wanted list. Pick someone, drive to where they are, then once they see you and start shooting, call the cops and hide behind something. |
| [02:36:49] | ventz: | alright, added chanid + starttime to the remove script and added them, now time to test :) |
| [02:36:54] | ventz: | iamlindoro: thanks for all the help btw |
| [02:37:06] | Dagmar: | The cops will pick off all the henchment, you can snipe the guy in the Most Wanted, and then call Kiki. ;) |
| [02:37:59] | Dagmar: | ventz: Honestly unless you like missing important plot points, you should probably just have the thing transcode the file *first* then mark commercials and not delete them |
| [02:38:46] | Dagmar: | The thing does a good job, but if on what you're recording they say, go into a dark room suddenly or something, the commflagger will be prone to error |
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| [02:42:42] | ventz: | Dagmar: here's the problems I face |
| [02:43:09] | ventz: | 1.) I have only remote access, 2.) I have limited bandwidth, 3.) I am SHARING that limited bandwidth (so /2) |
| [02:43:37] | ventz: | this is a box I setup at a friends house, and both of us are not near this house. He is in one state, and I am in another |
| [02:43:45] | ventz: | it's a way for us to keep track of our shows |
| [02:43:49] | ventz: | while at work |
| [02:44:23] | ventz: | so I agree with you about marking and then telling the player to skip them if I had a lan (then I could use MythTVPlayer and choose the "skip commercials" option) |
| [02:44:37] | ventz: | but for right now, my only solution is having the files not have commercials and be less than 150MB each |
| [02:45:12] | ventz: | (which i've accomplished using a 600kb video and 64kb audio h264 encoding, into an FLV shell) |
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| [02:52:38] | ventz: | iamlindoro: for some reason this – "/usr/local/bin/removecommercials %DIR% %FILE% %CHANID% %STARTTIME%" doesn't seem to be passing the CHANID or STARTTIME from Job1 |
| [02:53:58] | wagner: | you can dump h264 into an flv? |
| [02:55:35] | ventz: | :nod: |
| [02:56:07] | ventz: | vcode=libxh264 -f flv (from ffmpeg) |
| [02:56:11] | ventz: | wagner: ^ |
| [02:56:40] | ventz: | from what i've read that is absolutely the MOST efficient way of doing it (in terms of fast speed + smallest file size) |
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| [03:02:52] | wagner: | i cant imagine the container would be in any way consequential for file size |
| [03:03:06] | wagner: | and the flash video routines are absolutely horrid |
| [03:03:57] | ventz: | I don't think the flash container adds anything. That's simly a wrapper, and as you said, they are |
| [03:04:11] | ventz: | but I think using the h264 encoding format is faster+more compressed than say divx or xvid |
| [03:04:41] | wagner: | well h264 is smaller, but it is considerably slower for both encode and decode |
| [03:05:20] | ventz: | I can do it in about 15–20 minutes (for a 30 min file) |
| [03:05:48] | wagner: | at 600kbps, thats about right for a single pass |
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| [03:06:01] | wagner: | on a mid range, dual core |
| [03:06:34] | wagner: | xvid would probably get that done in well under 10min |
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| [03:07:38] | ventz: | wagner: good guess, dual core :) |
| [03:08:12] | ventz: | wagner: do you think xvid would be the better choice then, in terms of quality? |
| [03:08:31] | wagner: | in terms of quality, no... in terms of low bitrate, no.... |
| [03:08:44] | wagner: | xvid would only gain you quicker encoding times |
| [03:09:13] | wagner: | and if bitrate is your absolute concern, you could do better with a two-pass encode |
| [03:09:19] | jdahm_: | can you still use your computer for other things when using MythTv, ie can you still run other programs. One of the setup wikis says that you have to create a mythtv user and have it start on boot and autostart xorg |
| [03:09:49] | wagner: | jdahm_: yes, you can use mythtv on your desktop |
| [03:09:51] | ventz: | wagner: I don't know anything about two-pass encodings, what do they gain you? |
| [03:10:12] | jdahm_: | wagner: ok good so it doesn't really "take over your computer" |
| [03:10:50] | wagner: | vents: with CBR (constant bitrate), some scenes will get more data than is needed, while other scenes will suffer in quality because the bitrate is too low |
| [03:11:25] | ventz: | ok |
| [03:11:34] | ventz: | so that's why the bitrate jumps around during encoding |
| [03:11:34] | wagner: | with single pass VBR (variable bitrate), the encoder will make assumptions about the average quality of the video, and will give more or less data for different scenes |
| [03:11:44] | wagner: | however since its making assumptions, its not very accurate |
| [03:12:13] | wagner: | two pass VBR runs one pass to analyze the video, so it knows exactly how much data to give where |
| [03:12:36] | wagner: | so your file size and average bitrate can be set exactly |
| [03:12:40] | ventz: | ok |
| [03:13:36] | wagner: | if you can buffer the video and dont mind some extra encode time, 2-pass VBR is the way to go |
| [03:13:50] | wagner: | if you cannot buffer, you should probably stick with CBR |
| [03:13:56] | ventz: | that seems like the solution I am looking for, as long as it doesn't double the encoding time |
| [03:14:48] | wagner: | i use 'megui' to do my encoding, its a windows app that acts as a frontend for the x264 encoder |
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| [03:15:19] | wagner: | it has a "turbo" mode, where the first pass is done at considerably lower quality, and runs about 4x the speed as the second pass |
| [03:15:45] | wagner: | i assume you can do the same thing on linux |
| [03:17:29] | Ra^: | Old hardware question. Anyone know how well (if at all) the ATI All In Wonder card with a bt829 chip works? Most info I've found is very old |
| [03:18:03] | wagner: | last time i checked, none of the AIW tuners were supported under linux |
| [03:18:25] | wagner: | of course that was several years ago when my AIW still functioned, and was a worthwhile card |
| [03:18:47] | Ra^: | I came across some info on the 829's working, but again, it's old info. I couldn't find anything recent |
| [03:19:18] | Ra^: | well, I shouldn't say working, I saw something about a driver package for it |
| [03:19:42] | wagner: | well theres a page for it on the mythtv wiki |
| [03:20:01] | Ra^: | I saw they had one for the TV wonder |
| [03:20:09] | wagner: | says you can watch tv, but not record |
| [03:20:24] | wagner: | i assume the driver simply functions as a passthru |
| [03:20:32] | Ra^: | that's pretty pointless, but I can't say I'm surprised knowing ATI |
| [03:20:44] | wagner: | telling the video card to insert the stream to some coordinates on screen |
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| [03:21:17] | Ra^: | Oh well, guess I'll just stick with the Hauppauge card I have. Thanks |
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| [03:31:32] | hadees: | when you are using an external cable box that is tuned via a external firewire script how does mythtv know what the current channel is when you start the backend? |
| [03:34:10] | iamlindoro: | Be resetting it to last channel every single time the backend starts |
| [03:34:12] | iamlindoro: | er By |
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| [03:34:34] | wagner: | yeah, it does that with all tuners |
| [03:34:38] | wagner: | it doesnt assume anything |
| [03:34:41] | iamlindoro: | Even when you pass the channel change to an external script, Myth is still passing the channel number, and stores that # in the DB |
| [03:35:36] | iamlindoro: | So Myth *always* knows what the last channel it tuned to was |
| [03:36:07] | wagner: | if you change the channel on the tuner box manually, thats your own fault |
| [03:36:22] | iamlindoro: | Yep |
| [03:37:21] | wagner: | after using a dual proc machine for the last three years, temporarily going back to a single proc machine is painful |
| [03:43:47] | squish102: | u noticed a difference? |
| [03:44:13] | squish102: | what type of work u doing on machine to notice it? |
| [03:44:29] | wagner: | compiling stuff in the background |
| [03:44:37] | wagner: | firefox is laggy |
| [03:44:40] | wagner: | even xterms are laggy |
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| [03:47:19] | mobrien: | yes it's really quite a diff |
| [03:47:51] | mobrien: | even when I go back to my p4 3.6 machine, it's painful when compiling / transcoding media in the background |
| [03:47:53] | wagner: | as nice as it was making the transition in the first place, its so much worse going back |
| [03:48:53] | mobrien: | indeed |
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| [03:55:41] | wagner: | somehow i dont mind on my laptop, but i guess thats because i dont expect anything out of my laptop |
| [03:57:22] | hadees: | does anyone know how to turn off the pop up menus when changing channels on the sa3250 |
| [03:57:44] | wagner: | menus on the box itself? |
| [03:57:53] | hadees: | wagner, yeah |
| [03:58:22] | hadees: | i'm recording via svideo and i would like to make sure they don't get in the way |
| [03:58:56] | hadees: | also there is like a one pixel wide grey line on the left and bottom of my video recorded via svideo |
| [03:59:15] | hadees: | not sure how to fix that or even if the problem is the box or tuner |
| [03:59:18] | wagner: | i would assume the channel popup would only exist for the first few seconds of any recording |
| [03:59:34] | hadees: | wagner, it does but if i can turn it off all the better |
| [03:59:37] | wagner: | considering youre not going to change the channel mid-recording |
| [03:59:39] | wagner: | fair enough |
| [04:01:19] | wagner: | oh fun, i set up alsa to use my sb-live, reboot, and it magically set itself up to use the onboard sound |
| [04:03:59] | hadees: | man now that i am recording from my external boxes through my pvr150 and pvr500 my sound levels are all over the place |
| [04:05:18] | hadees: | xine is loud as hell, the QAM and tuner input from one of the pvr500 tuners is good but the boxes sound low making me have to turn up the volume on my tv |
| [04:05:36] | hadees: | and if i turn up the volume on the boxes it doesn't sound good |
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| [04:06:24] | hadees: | i really want my HD PVRs to get here and for the linux driver to come out |
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| [04:06:54] | hadees: | i think that would really make my system better but svideo is good for now |
| [04:07:05] | hadees: | should be able to just switch them out |
| [04:08:46] | Kyler: | I just upgraded to 0.21.0 and my PVR-250s tune analog TV alright but they're not getting my satellite receivers on the S-video ports. They're just black. |
| [04:09:15] | Kyler: | Maybe I need a new version of the ivtv tools or something? |
| [04:09:26] | hadees: | Kyler, make sure you pick the right s-video port, i ended up setting them all up because i had the same problem |
| [04:09:51] | Kyler: | hadees: Have they changed? It seems like I went through this before. |
| [04:10:26] | hadees: | Kyler, they haven't changed but i had extra svideo showing up in dev |
| [04:11:14] | hadees: | i also made sure the tuners didn't have a video source |
| [04:11:18] | hadees: | not sure which one did it |
| [04:11:21] | Kyler: | hadees: In /dev? There's just one dev entry per card, right? |
| [04:11:46] | Kyler: | hadees: Wait...that's not quite right. I know there are those other dev entries but it's not per input port, right? |
| [04:12:14] | Kyler: | hadees: Thanks for the tips. I'm looking... |
| [04:13:44] | wagner: | on the 250s, there should be three entries for each card |
| [04:13:49] | wagner: | at least there are for mine |
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| [04:38:35] | ventz: | I finally got it! |
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| [04:38:54] | ventz: | iamlindoro: gracias for all your help so far :) |
| [04:38:58] | ventz: | wagner: same to you, thank you |
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| [04:39:14] | ventz: | finally perfection :) |
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| [04:48:10] | Kyler: | I've made progress...kind of... We had a storm here and one of my satellite receivers seems to be on the blink. |
| [04:48:36] | Kyler: | Another appears to be fine but now I can't run mythtv-setup to disable the primary. (font issue?) |
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| [04:49:24] | lanuser: | good evening |
| [04:49:49] | lanuser: | Is there a setting somewhere to run some command after every recording ends? |
| [04:49:55] | kormoc: | userjobs |
| [04:49:59] | kormoc: | mythtv-setup |
| [04:50:05] | lanuser: | thanks kormoc |
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| [04:59:31] | Kyler: | I'm guessing I can't run mythtv-setup because of this: Fontconfig error: "conf.d", line 1: no element found |
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| [05:02:19] | Matt2010: | Does anyone here have the DViCO FusionHDTV 5 Lite card working with a recent kernel (any that has the driver built in)? |
| [05:02:48] | Kyler: | Yes, I do have mythtv-setup running but I can't read anything. There don't seem to be any fonts for it. |
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| [05:05:39] | Kyler: | Hmmm...mythtv-setup tries to read /etc/fonts/conf.d but it's a directory. |
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| [06:18:07] | ViViViPirePengy: | hidey hodey |
| [06:20:31] | ViViViPirePengy: | hey all i get the concept of mythtv and have a card in mind for a box... pvr 350 but it says that it is analogue.. wont the card not work any more after feb 09 when analogue goes offline |
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| [06:22:23] | iamlindoro___: | The only analog going offline in 09 is antenna/OTA... the analog outputs of your cable or satellite box will remain just as they've always been |
| [06:26:34] | Anduin1: | ViViViPirePengy: and why is the 350 on your mind (vs 150/500)? |
| [06:27:05] | ViViViPirePengy: | oh im just looking at hardware requirements and trying to get an idea of what to put together Anduin1 |
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| [06:27:30] | ViViViPirePengy: | i would rather have a decoder on the tv card to help with cpu cycles and if possible a remote |
| [06:28:20] | iamlindoro___: | ViViViPirePengy: A decent graphics card will do far more for you than the 350, it is no longer a recommended card, even though it technically can be made to work |
| [06:28:36] | kormoc: | ViViViPirePengy, the 350 is very limited. an nvidia card is a much better answer |
| [06:28:36] | Anduin: | ViViViPirePengy: It is a MPEG2 decoder only, very few still using the 350 for output. |
| [06:28:58] | iamlindoro___: | The PVR-150 or 500 and a decent nVidia GPU is the better way to go if you need an analog capture card. |
| [06:29:08] | ViViViPirePengy: | is it ... |
| [06:29:22] | ViViViPirePengy: | what would be the min for cpu and ram |
| [06:29:35] | ViViViPirePengy: | i have some older boxes and dont know if it would be worth using or not |
| [06:29:40] | kormoc: | ViViViPirePengy, for SD? p3 500 mhz? 256 megs of ram? |
| [06:30:11] | kormoc: | ViViViPirePengy, I was very happy with a celeron 2 ghz + 512 megs of ram for my SD stuff |
| [06:30:19] | ViViViPirePengy: | i think these boxes are 1.5 ghz amds |
| [06:30:27] | iamlindoro___: | More than enough for SD, those |
| [06:30:48] | ViViViPirePengy: | so 512 ram is good |
| [06:31:08] | kormoc: | for just a SD Frontend, aye |
| [06:31:16] | ViViViPirePengy: | sd? |
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| [06:31:26] | kormoc: | Standard Def, not HD, High Def |
| [06:31:31] | ViViViPirePengy: | oh kk got it |
| [06:31:37] | ViViViPirePengy: | no this is regular tv |
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| [06:32:12] | iamlindoro___: | That's what we mean when we keep saying "SD" |
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| [06:32:35] | kormoc: | ViViViPirePengy, hang out in here enough and you'll realize why we quantify all our answers |
| [06:32:36] | ViViViPirePengy: | im actually on http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1 now so as im talking to u all its gettin clearer |
| [06:33:20] | ViViViPirePengy: | building the os is simple ive been using linux for 6 yrs now and myth is in debian repos so no probs there |
| [06:33:34] | ViViViPirePengy: | i just want to make sure i got the tv card reqs right |
| [06:33:48] | ViViViPirePengy: | were is a good place to get them newegg or tiger? |
| [06:33:53] | kormoc: | newegg imho |
| [06:33:57] | iamlindoro___: | Just make sure you read the documentation from front to back, myth is not as simple as apt-get-and-forget-it |
| [06:34:03] | RyeBrye: | PVR-150... I just go find wherever they are cheapest |
| [06:34:11] | RyeBrye: | I bought a PVR-500 because I am limited on PCI slots |
| [06:34:13] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, depends with one's background :P |
| [06:35:03] | iamlindoro___: | kormoc: Background is immaterial, myth isn't set up and complete on any distro w/ an apt-get alone |
| [06:35:44] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, when I first started, it was rather simple. It made sense to me and I was up and running in a few minutes |
| [06:35:45] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [06:35:59] | iamlindoro___: | I have no doubt of that, but that's not what I said |
| [06:36:12] | iamlindoro___: | I said that it was not as simple as apt-getting it... and it's not. |
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| [06:36:37] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, well, I was more saying that it's not that hard neather. I glanced though the manual and that was enough |
| [06:36:55] | ViViViPirePengy: | it looks like myth is running a mysql server too |
| [06:37:09] | kormoc: | ViViViPirePengy, myth requires a mysql server, yes |
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| [06:38:13] | cesman: | it is easier w/ apt-get and if you've read the manual and perhaps having done an install |
| [06:38:39] | cesman: | the ease of Debian and the live nature of Knoppix was what inspired me to create KnoppMyth |
| [06:39:13] | ViViViPirePengy: | oh ur the dev for knoppmyth cesman? |
| [06:39:27] | ViViViPirePengy: | i ran knoppix many many moons ago |
| [06:39:31] | cesman: | 5 years ago, installing MythTV on Linux Mandrake was a pain and that was due to having to get deps myself |
| [06:39:41] | cesman: | ViViViPirePengy: yes, I am |
| [06:39:53] | cesman: | ViViViPirePengy: I'd not have stated so if I wasn't ;) |
| [06:40:03] | ViViViPirePengy: | cool :) |
| [06:40:06] | iamlindoro___: | cesman: I remember my first mandrake setup well... yay for rpmfind :) |
| [06:40:25] | ViViViPirePengy: | oh i despise rpms |
| [06:40:29] | kormoc: | I'm still running the same Gentoo install I installed myth on first those 4 years ago or so |
| [06:40:40] | cesman: | iamlindoro___: yay indeed! |
| [06:40:52] | wagner: | to be honest, ive never really found mythtv difficult to get set up |
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| [06:41:10] | wagner: | the only real problem ive ever had was getting tuner cards set up |
| [06:41:28] | wagner: | and ive spent dozens of hours dicking around with v4l |
| [06:41:59] | ** cesman has 1 more Guinness in the fridge ** | |
| [06:42:08] | kormoc: | oh noes! |
| [06:42:09] | cesman: | guess I'll drink if before it gets too lonely |
| [06:44:31] | ViViViPirePengy: | lol |
| [06:44:58] | ViViViPirePengy: | so according to ur website cesman u now are working on mce ? |
| [06:45:16] | kormoc: | Media Center Edition? |
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| [06:47:45] | cesman: | lol! |
| [06:48:10] | cesman: | ViViViPirePengy: that was my April Fools joke |
| [06:48:35] | ViViViPirePengy: | oh was it |
| [06:48:49] | kormoc: | cesman, joke or dream? :P |
| [06:48:56] | ViViViPirePengy: | lol kormoc |
| [06:48:58] | cesman: | joke |
| [06:49:20] | kormoc: | well, getting paid 2x the money and 30% of your paid time is for your own project doesn't sound overly bad at all |
| [06:49:30] | cesman: | it would be a COLD day in Hades before I started working for that company |
| [06:50:11] | cesman: | kormoc: must be my creative side ;) |
| [06:50:34] | cesman: | I got so many people with that... |
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| [06:51:04] | cesman: | once they figured out what day it was, I got PM'd and called a bastard. lol |
| [06:51:10] | ViViViPirePengy: | does knoppmyth use debs? |
| [06:51:33] | cesman: | ViViViPirePengy: debs as far as? |
| [06:51:47] | cesman: | you can install any Debian package |
| [06:52:00] | cesman: | the upgrades aren't via apt |
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| [06:52:18] | cesman: | ViViViPirePengy: backup and upgrade via new ISO |
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| [06:52:43] | ViViViPirePengy: | oh im lookin for the iso now cesman |
| [06:52:52] | ViViViPirePengy: | planet mirror is kvetching |
| [06:53:04] | cesman: | ViViViPirePengy: Want the link to the latest RC? |
| [06:53:13] | ViViViPirePengy: | sure |
| [06:53:20] | cesman: | ok, I'll query you |
| [06:53:27] | ViViViPirePengy: | makes it nice to have all in one iso |
| [06:53:33] | ViViViPirePengy: | sure |
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| [06:56:22] | cesman: | ViViViPirePengy: that is the idea :) |
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| [07:03:17] | cesman: | later folks |
| [07:03:26] | cesman: | ViViViPirePengy: thanks for trying KnoppMyth! |
| [07:03:33] | ViViViPirePengy: | :) |
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| [08:34:05] | justinh: | hey dustybin my wife is giving me grief cos all the tina turner shit is missing :( |
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| [09:18:04] | bmead: | What speed CPU is needed to playback 1080i video from the HD-PVR anyone know? |
| [09:19:40] | justinh: | core2 duo > 1.6Ghz depending on the bitrate – take that as a minimum |
| [09:20:13] | bmead: | Is 1080p easier to display than 1080i on nvidia chipsets? |
| [09:20:32] | justinh: | nope |
| [09:21:27] | bmead: | At the maximum bitrate, what speed CPU is needed? |
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| [09:22:29] | justinh: | dunno |
| [09:22:32] | bmead: | Do you have your HD-PVR working (partly) yet? |
| [09:22:39] | justinh: | probably not much more than 1.8Ghz C2D |
| [09:22:45] | gbee: | http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2218172/acer-pushes-linux-hard |
| [09:22:49] | anykey_: | bmead: 1080p works with a 2.33ghz C2D |
| [09:22:50] | justinh: | I don't have one, nor will I be needing, or getting one |
| [09:23:31] | bmead: | Have you talked to those who have successfully played back max bitrate HD-PVR video? |
| [09:23:32] | justinh: | gbee: heheh |
| [09:24:38] | bmead: | Some people said that you can't playback HD video if you pop up the On-Screen-Channel Guide is that a known problem? |
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| [09:24:51] | justinh: | what were those people smoking? |
| [09:26:13] | bmead: | Would one of those 2.4Ghz Core-2 Duo boards with on-board nvidia 7050 chipsets be good enough (specifically the video) or would an external Nvidia video card be needed? |
| [09:26:42] | anykey_: | The video card doesn't matter |
| [09:27:14] | bmead: | What is the XVmC support and is it needed? |
| [09:27:33] | justinh: | GPU video acceleration in linux – FORGET ALL ABOUT IT :) |
| [09:27:46] | justinh: | no use for h.264 anyway |
| [09:27:59] | justinh: | was only ever (not very) useful for mpeg2 |
| [09:28:24] | bmead: | Just the nvidia accelerated drivers are all then right? |
| [09:28:54] | justinh: | binary nvidia drivers ftw |
| [09:30:29] | bmead: | I was using the Knoppmyth 5F27 installation for my SD myth, to convert to HD do I just need to download the SVN 0.21 version of mythtv and compile it for HDPVR compatibility? |
| [09:31:13] | justinh: | right now you don't |
| [09:31:38] | bmead: | I know that the recording drivers are not working yet, but for playback what is needed? |
| [09:32:24] | justinh: | I wouldn't advise anybody to use trunk unless they're out to help with finding & fixing bugs :D |
| [09:32:42] | bmead: | Wise advice. |
| [09:32:54] | justinh: | all you need is multithreaded playback support compiled in |
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| [09:33:50] | bmead: | Is multithread playback support one of the ./configure options before compilng? |
| [09:35:10] | justinh: | yes |
| [09:35:22] | justinh: | it's off by default IIRC |
| [09:36:06] | bmead: | Ok than all I need to do is upgrade my motherboard/cpu to core 2 duo and wait for the recording driver and compile in the multithread playback support (Thanks)! |
| [09:37:11] | justinh: | you'll also need to hang on for hdpvr support in mythtv for recording |
| [09:37:32] | bmead: | Do you also need SMP kernel support? |
| [09:37:56] | justinh: | I dunno – probably, I'd guess |
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| [09:58:22] | directhex: | not having an smp kernel strikes me as odd. i suppose because debbuntu switched to always enabling smp support years ago |
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| [10:18:09] | justinh: | well, finally decided on a new watermark variant. can't wait til it's all mythui'd up |
| [10:19:06] | justdave: | directhex: most of the modern linux distros have an smp kernel by default and don't call it that anymore (they dropped the old s.p. kernel) |
| [10:19:34] | justdave: | smp handles the single processor situation anyhow, so there's not much reason for a separate one anymore |
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| [10:23:23] | justdave: | what kind of options are there for MythTV for recording over-the-air digital channels? I assume there's digital tuners on PCI cards or somesuch? Or do you need a converter box on your antenna like you do for an older TV? |
| [10:24:01] | justinh: | say what? |
| [10:24:05] | justinh: | you're kidding, right? |
| [10:25:03] | justinh: | ATSC tuner card. PCI or USB. Plug one in, connect antenna, load the driver (and firmware maybe).. scan away :) |
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| [10:28:08] | justinh: | hmm. Apple's movie service to start in the UK. So they cost more than DVD rentals & online purchases. And their point is? |
| [10:29:34] | justdave: | figured it existed, just haven't looked very hard yet. :) (ATSC tuner) |
| [10:30:23] | justdave: | one of my local over-the-air stations is strongly considering pulling their programming off the local cable company |
| [10:30:40] | justdave: | and it's a channel we watch, so I'm just investigating the options. :) |
| [10:30:40] | justinh: | carriage costs money! |
| [10:30:55] | justinh: | HDTV for free. can't sniff at that |
| [10:31:19] | justinh: | ok so your mediaMVP is too impotent for mpeg2 HD but hey it's 2008 |
| [10:31:41] | justdave: | yeah, cable company always put it on for free before, but the new rules from the FCC with the digital TV transition in the US no longer require the cable companies to carry them |
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| [10:32:23] | justdave: | and the local stations are taking advantage of it and telling the cable companies they're charging for it if they want to keep carrying them. |
| [10:32:52] | gbee: | multithreaded playback support is now enabled by default, however you still need to enable it in the playback profiles |
| [10:33:22] | justinh: | now in -fixes ? |
| [10:33:36] | justinh: | or just trunky? |
| [10:34:30] | gbee: | -fixes too |
| [10:34:30] | justinh: | ahh in my -fixes build I have 'using_ffmpeg_threads' |
| [10:35:10] | justdave: | ok, so the hauppage stuff that's called "PVR" is only standard def (except for the new one that just came one), and I need one called "HVR" to have ATSC in it, right? |
| [10:35:25] | justdave: | s/came one/came out/ |
| [10:36:13] | justdave: | so the PVR-550 I already have doesn't support it then |
| [10:36:14] | justinh: | Hauppauge PVR devices are analogue only |
| [10:36:24] | justinh: | 550 ? |
| [10:36:37] | justdave: | maybe it's 500, I forget the number |
| [10:36:55] | justinh: | be the hauppauge pvr500 |
| [10:37:00] | justinh: | no, that's analogue only |
| [10:37:19] | justdave: | lspci doesn't tell me, all it says is iTVC16 (CX23416) |
| [10:37:33] | justinh: | that's analogue only |
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| [10:38:40] | k-man: | for some reason, my logs are full of this error: May 31 16:27:00 mythbox kernel: tda827xa_set_params: could not write to tuner at addr: 0xc2 |
| [10:38:55] | k-man: | it repeats 70/second in fact |
| [10:39:10] | k-man: | any idea what could be causing that? |
| [10:43:22] | justinh: | some kind of kernel module problem |
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| [10:45:00] | k-man: | justinh, acutally, i just realised its only in logs from last week |
| [10:45:05] | k-man: | it seems to have stopped now |
| [10:45:27] | k-man: | oh well, i'll forget about it until it comes back |
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| [11:13:57] | gbee: | justinh: thinking of supporting % values for dimensions and positioning, good idea? |
| [11:14:57] | gbee: | doesn't give pixel accuracy that ordinary coords do, but might save time in some cases |
| [11:16:59] | justinh: | could be |
| [11:17:18] | justinh: | the scaling isn't pixel accurate anyway, I've found |
| [11:19:12] | justinh: | columns in my themes' watch recordings screens end up chopped off on my frontend's 4:3 X server |
| [11:19:22] | justinh: | look fine @ 1280x720 |
| [11:19:49] | PaulWay: | Hi all. |
| [11:20:19] | PaulWay: | I'm having problems with my DVB card now having a lot more glitches than it used to. |
| [11:20:42] | PaulWay: | They're like what you'd get if the signal strength was really low, but the signal strength is reporting at 78%. |
| [11:20:47] | justinh: | signal problems or heat issues |
| [11:20:57] | justinh: | strength isn't everything either |
| [11:21:07] | justinh: | *quality* is king! |
| [11:21:10] | PaulWay: | Well, it's definitely getting lock. |
| [11:21:26] | PaulWay: | And the aerial setup hasn't appreciably changed since it was working perfectly. |
| [11:21:27] | justinh: | run femon & tell me what the BER & UNC numbers are |
| [11:21:52] | justinh: | check your coax plugs too |
| [11:21:58] | PaulWay: | BER and UNC all zeros. |
| [11:22:06] | justinh: | SNR ? |
| [11:22:16] | PaulWay: | Signal ~f200, SNR ~d700. |
| [11:22:28] | justinh: | and ask yourself if you've installed any RF equipment nearby recently |
| [11:22:33] | PaulWay: | Hmmmm. |
| [11:22:35] | PaulWay: | No. |
| [11:22:39] | PaulWay: | Not that I can think of. |
| [11:22:55] | PaulWay: | I have another wireless router in the house... |
| [11:22:59] | PaulWay: | Would that cause anything? |
| [11:23:17] | justinh: | watch all the numbers from femon. I was getting glitchy recordings from my middle dvb-t tuner |
| [11:23:20] | PaulWay: | I appreciate you helping me with this, BTW, and not telling me to fix it myself :-) |
| [11:23:33] | justinh: | watch them for a long time |
| [11:23:43] | PaulWay: | OK, will leave it for an hour or so. |
| [11:24:02] | justinh: | use grep to highlight non-zero BER :) |
| [11:24:10] | ** PaulWay writes a small Perl program to monitor femon's output and produce neat averages of hex numbers. ** | |
| [11:24:21] | justinh: | no averages |
| [11:24:26] | justinh: | max, maybe |
| [11:24:40] | PaulWay: | For my own benefit; max, min and average. |
| [11:24:56] | PaulWay: | More on a minute rolling basis. |
| [11:25:02] | PaulWay: | Anyway, much of a muchness. |
| [11:25:05] | justinh: | an ave. signal level of 75% might mean it's 100% signal most of the time with occasional dropouts to 0 :P |
| [11:26:00] | PaulWay: | Well, true. |
| [11:38:19] | gbee: | justinh: I think you are going to hate what I'm doing to mythlistbutton right now, xml is getting ugly |
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| [11:43:50] | justinh: | xml was never that nice in places |
| [11:43:53] | justinh: | bring it on :) |
| [11:44:20] | justinh: | define 'ugly' gbee |
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| [11:45:31] | gbee: | justinh: well, I'm just putting together an example of what might be done with it – I think that might make the pill easier to swallow, so if you don't mind waiting for the definition of ugly ;) |
| [11:45:59] | justinh: | can't be as bad as mediaportal skin xml |
| [11:46:00] | gbee: | I've a couple of ideas which might make it simpler |
| [11:46:31] | justinh: | had a good look at that a while back – while it looks simple on the surface they don't seem to have cottoned onto inheritance yet |
| [12:01:12] | k-man: | where do you set the location of the dvd device for playing dvds? |
| [12:03:19] | justinh: | looked in the most obvious place yet? |
| [12:03:38] | k-man: | justinh, hes, i looked through all the menus and couldn't see it |
| [12:03:44] | k-man: | i must be going blind cos im sure its there |
| [12:03:48] | k-man: | but i couldn't find it |
| [12:04:58] | k-man: | oh – looked again and i found it |
| [12:05:03] | k-man: | thanks |
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| [12:09:51] | justinh: | gbee: anyway, stuff like {336371} will only make life easier longer term ;) |
| [12:10:04] | justinh: | oops |
| [12:10:16] | ** gbee blinks ** | |
| [12:10:19] | justinh: | http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/17443 |
| [12:10:43] | justinh: | guess that means the core themes will need fixed |
| [12:11:18] | gbee: | justinh: only the bits which have been converted to mythui |
| [12:11:32] | justinh: | righto |
| [12:11:49] | gbee: | and even then, I've deprecated it, not removed it – so it will still work for a while yet |
| [12:12:28] | justinh: | heh. I wanna start seeing atrophy :P |
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| [12:15:18] | gbee: | when I've switched over the two/three places currently using staticsize expect it to disappear |
| [12:19:02] | justinh: | somebody get me a Darwin accelerator.. stat! "I have two HDMI cables; one is a 2 metre Chord Company Silver Plus, the other a cheap 1 metre off eBay. There is definitely a difference between the two. The Chord shows more shadow detail and more natural skin tones compared to the cheapie. The cheap cable also adds a hint of graininess to the BBC HD channel." |
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| [12:28:39] | Penfold: | double-blind test time! |
| [12:30:56] | justinh: | testing HDMI cables while wearing 2 blindfolds? awesome. totally scientific. you should work on Channel 5's Gadget Show |
| [12:32:35] | EvilGuru: | justinh: http://www.russandrews.com/lookup/1/region/UK . . . ord-1549.htm is where it's at |
| [12:32:57] | justinh: | quite |
| [12:33:25] | justinh: | as for the 500 metres of other mains wiring in the house.. erm... |
| [12:34:29] | EvilGuru: | Don't tell them that — they might just go and get their house re-wired |
| [12:34:57] | mjj29: | EvilGuru: lmao |
| [12:36:53] | EvilGuru: | Still, for longer distances there might be a difference between an el-cheapo HDMI cable and a slightly better one. However, you seldom find el-cheapo HDMI cables at long lengths anyway |
| [12:37:33] | justinh: | if they have the hdmi logo on em they have to have been certified. certified means < 1 error in 10 billion or something crazy |
| [12:38:19] | EvilGuru: | justinh: The HDMI certification (until recently) was dodgy. You could get one length certified and then put the logo on your entire range, even if the longer cables would not pass |
| [12:38:49] | justinh: | heheh |
| [12:39:00] | justinh: | early adopters == fools ! |
| [12:44:53] | gbee: | justinh: muppets |
| [12:45:00] | EvilGuru: | But, in new scientist last week I saw a note about this: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo= . . . ical%20Leads — gold-plated TOSLINK anyone? |
| [12:45:26] | justinh: | yawn |
| [12:45:43] | justinh: | an old joke, that one :) |
| [12:45:44] | gbee: | we saw that a couple of weeks ago |
| [12:54:40] | ** gbee submits an FAQ asking just how the gold helps ** | |
| [12:55:18] | gbee: | admittedly there was already such a question – to which someone who wasn't paying attention replied "Gold plating gives a better connection." |
| [12:55:51] | EvilGuru: | "A) there is no loss with optical cable so there is no maximum length" — aahhh! |
| [12:56:23] | EvilGuru: | I guess they have never heard of multipath dispersion |
| [12:57:09] | mjj29: | having had to deal with ~ a mile of fibre ethernet |
| [12:57:15] | mjj29: | it does make rather a difference |
| [12:57:33] | dustybin: | ive created a list of bare essential parts for my future HD ready frontend |
| [12:57:35] | dustybin: | http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2628 |
| [12:57:52] | EvilGuru: | mjj29: I guess attenuation is an issue at that length as well |
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| [12:58:08] | mjj29: | oh I like "my hifi doesn't have optical input. Can I use this to connect my PS3 ot my hifi" |
| [12:58:24] | mjj29: | EvilGuru: yeah, you need an LX transeiver |
| [12:58:30] | mjj29: | s/s/c |
| [12:58:32] | PaulWay: | dustybin: why not a Via EPIA motherboard? |
| [12:58:40] | sid3windr: | E4300 is still sold? |
| [12:58:52] | EvilGuru: | S/P-DIF will at best only carry AC3/DTS which is 5.1. I am sure a PS3 can do 7.1 LPCM |
| [12:59:18] | dustybin: | PaulWay: i keep on reading bad things about via |
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| [12:59:27] | dustybin: | justinh threw one in the bin |
| [12:59:37] | justinh: | bin/ebay.. same diff |
| [12:59:41] | dustybin: | VIA CPUs are not HD ready |
| [12:59:51] | justinh: | VIA CPUs are not SD ready |
| [12:59:56] | sid3windr: | :] |
| [13:00:22] | PaulWay: | dustybin: the old Chrome 266es will do 2048x2048 MPEG2 decode in hardware – is that not good enough for you? |
| [13:00:55] | PaulWay: | I've done 800x600 decode on my Via EPIA 533MHz machine at 10% CPU. |
| [13:00:56] | dustybin: | im unsure |
| [13:01:11] | justinh: | PaulWay: used to be fine until 0.20 came along |
| [13:01:18] | justinh: | then it really sucked. and I mean SUCKED |
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| [13:02:19] | dustybin: | when deciding on a frontend, i think its a good idea to try and get as much built into the mobo as possible |
| [13:02:28] | EvilGuru: | On my system deinterlacing is more intensive than decoding |
| [13:02:53] | PaulWay: | justinh: Oh? Hmm. This was with 0.18, I admit. |
| [13:03:06] | PaulWay: | Why the regression? |
| [13:03:11] | justinh: | no idea |
| [13:03:13] | justinh: | past caring now |
| [13:03:24] | justinh: | xvmc is a bad thing to rely on |
| [13:03:29] | dustybin: | TEL CORE 2 DUO (E4300) 1.8GHz |
| [13:03:34] | dustybin: | those chips run pretty cool |
| [13:03:41] | dustybin: | dont take too much power |
| [13:04:06] | EvilGuru: | dustybin: MEMORY: 1 GIG — memory is so cheap you can probably go 2G |
| [13:04:13] | dustybin: | do i need 2G? |
| [13:04:27] | mjj29: | more memory is rarely a bad thing |
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| [13:04:41] | dustybin: | as long as HD at 1080P plays nice and smooth with 1 gig i dont need any more memory? |
| [13:04:52] | mjj29: | dustybin: this for a myth box? |
| [13:04:55] | dustybin: | more memory = more power = more heat |
| [13:04:58] | EvilGuru: | My system has been booted up since 9:00 this morning: Mem: 8154464k total, 3745688k used, 4408776k free, 219660k buffers |
| [13:05:01] | dustybin: | just a frontend |
| [13:05:01] | mjj29: | not really |
| [13:05:07] | PaulWay: | I'd say keep it to 512MB myself. |
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| [13:05:24] | EvilGuru: | dustybin: Heat is not really an issue for memory (FB-DIMMS/RAMBUS, it is, but DDR2 is fine) |
| [13:05:26] | dustybin: | ill keep it 1 gig because some themes are bigger than others |
| [13:05:30] | gbee: | 1Gb is sufficient for a frontend |
| [13:05:41] | mjj29: | yeah, save the ram for adding to the backend |
| [13:05:50] | EvilGuru: | What is the price difference between 2G and 1G? |
| [13:05:59] | PaulWay: | You're still powering up circuitry... |
| [13:06:03] | justinh: | not much |
| [13:06:22] | dustybin: | when HD kicks into action, ill replace my pentium 3.2 chip in my backend with a intel core 2 duo and stick some more ram inside it |
| [13:06:26] | willcooke: | often 2GB < 2 x 1GB |
| [13:06:29] | justinh: | 512MB for a SDTV frontend maybe |
| [13:06:44] | justinh: | and then not one which uses pooptubes-wide |
| [13:06:56] | mjj29: | justinh: mine runs fine with that |
| [13:07:06] | dustybin: | i like the idea of diskless frontends, ive never messed around with that before |
| [13:07:12] | mjj29: | although having said that, it's a combined front/backend |
| [13:07:30] | mjj29: | and it does have probablems with encoding+recording+mythcommflag |
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| [13:07:42] | gbee: | don't need dual core for a HD backend |
| [13:07:45] | EvilGuru: | Chances are 2G in a single stick is almost as efficient as 1G |
| [13:08:00] | dustybin: | gbee: my backend is also my frontend for my bedroom |
| [13:08:06] | gbee: | dustybin: ahh |
| [13:08:13] | dustybin: | gbee: plus its got a lot of other stuff running like zoneminder |
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| [13:08:28] | justinh: | if you're factoring in RAM power consumption.. er.. WHAT?!?!?!?! |
| [13:08:47] | dustybin: | ? |
| [13:09:02] | justinh: | no 2W machine will be capable of being a myth frontend for quite a while |
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| [13:09:17] | justinh: | 14:07 < EvilGuru> Chances are 2G in a single stick is almost as efficient as 1G |
| [13:09:47] | EvilGuru: | In response to: dustybin: more memory = more power = more heat |
| [13:09:57] | dustybin: | = more money |
| [13:10:34] | dustybin: | i think the hardest part will be trying to find a nice looking case |
| [13:10:42] | dustybin: | what doesnt overheat |
| [13:10:51] | dustybin: | diskless = less heat |
| [13:11:20] | dustybin: | INTEL CORE 2 DUO (E4300) 1.8GHz run pretty cool |
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| [13:11:45] | gbee: | getting a nice looking case which doesn't overheat is easy, getting a tiny good looking case which doesn't overheat is admittedly harder |
| [13:11:55] | dustybin: | yes thats the one |
| [13:12:20] | dustybin: | i could get a full size ugly beige tower and stick it in my front room o_0 |
| [13:12:38] | gbee: | AMD x2 EE range also run pretty cool, certainly a lot cooler than the older Turion in my laptop |
| [13:12:56] | dustybin: | the logic is, a frontend is no good without a backend, so you might as well go diskless |
| [13:13:37] | dustybin: | but then again, you could duo boot the frontend with windows to play games on a big HDTV |
| [13:13:48] | dustybin: | but then again i dont play games |
| [13:14:23] | gbee: | dustybin: well like I said, it's not hard to get a good looking case – it doesn't have to be a ugly beige job and a full tower – there are plenty of cheap nice HTPC/Media Centre cases around now which aren't so small that they have ventilation problems |
| [13:14:44] | dustybin: | aye |
| [13:15:30] | dustybin: | anybody know of a single remote i could buy what is easy to configure with lirc, or even a RF remote, something nice and simple for a frontend? |
| [13:15:32] | justinh: | you can boot windows disklessly too |
| [13:15:59] | justinh: | nothing is easy to do with lirc. nothing |
| [13:16:02] | dustybin: | justinh: forget windows, if i wanted to play games id get a ps3 games box |
| [13:16:09] | gbee: | the one I got probably isn't suitable for your purposes, it was bought for a combined be/fe so it has the room for cards etc, but it's no wider than a STB and just the height of two STBs stacked |
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| [13:17:13] | ** justinh wonders what's up with mythweather ** | |
| [13:17:16] | gbee: | considering that it replaces a VCR, freesat STB, freeview STB, a stereo system etc that's actually a massive space saving |
| [13:17:20] | dustybin: | those front loading dvd players are v.nice |
| [13:17:29] | gbee: | justinh: dunno, what's up with mythweather? |
| [13:17:43] | justinh: | loading weather data.. just sitting there |
| [13:17:45] | dustybin: | gbee: its stuck on rain rain rain rain rain |
| [13:17:58] | dustybin: | gbee: aye thats true |
| [13:18:17] | dustybin: | justinh: press the remote arrow forward |
| [13:18:19] | justinh: | weird. tried & quit out a couple of times. now worky |
| [13:18:21] | dustybin: | and it will jump into it |
| [13:18:44] | justinh: | wong |
| [13:18:45] | gbee: | justinh: hmm, guess it was just being slow grabbing the data – that's why I prefer to enable background downloading |
| [13:19:07] | ** iamlindoro___ scans the log and thanks his lucky stars that he's often asleep when the truly retarded questioning goes on in here. ** | |
| [13:19:45] | gbee: | don't like slot loading dvd/cd players, had too many of them go wrong (loading mechanism fails) |
| [13:20:14] | dustybin: | gbee: all the macs have them? |
| [13:20:28] | dustybin: | apple never gets it wrong.. |
| [13:20:45] | gbee: | irony? |
| [13:20:51] | dustybin: | :-0 |
| [13:20:52] | EvilGuru: | I sure hope so |
| [13:21:54] | gbee: | Ipod screens which scratch when you look at them? To name one example ... (ok so it might be the only one I can think of right now, but I'm sure there are others) |
| [13:22:30] | justinh: | new nano iPoo scratches all over if you look at it too hard |
| [13:23:33] | iamlindoro___: | Hey, if it gets you laid like they promise before it goes down, then all is right with the world. |
| [13:23:44] | dustybin: | this could be a possible case |
| [13:23:46] | dustybin: | http://www.hipergroup.com/English/products/hmc-1x53x.html |
| [13:27:26] | otwin: | dustybin: i have that case, forget the psu and get a laptop style passive psu. the case itself is ok. |
| [13:27:37] | iamlindoro___: | What a profoundly good job they do of putting together a specifications page entirely without the useful specifications |
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| [13:28:22] | iamlindoro___: | CPU – 1 x Standard (non-mobile) all types = WTF???? |
| [13:28:32] | iamlindoro___: | Ah, one of those "all types" CPUs... |
| [13:28:48] | otwin: | dustybin: and you need a slim cpu cooler |
| [13:29:02] | willcooke: | Ahh, but it does feature the World's #1 true digital home solution. |
| [13:29:09] | dustybin: | otwin: they feature some compatible ones on the website |
| [13:29:15] | dustybin: | heh |
| [13:29:44] | justinh: | the case is digital? WOOOOO! |
| [13:29:45] | iamlindoro___: | willcooke: I refuse to even consider it unless it has one of those newfangled patented designs |
| [13:30:13] | iamlindoro___: | What's that you say? It does?? Woohoo! |
| [13:30:21] | willcooke: | \o/ yay! |
| [13:30:28] | justinh: | will it let me record TV in 'full digital quality' ? YES?! I WANNA I WANNA ! |
| [13:31:00] | iamlindoro___: | If you say it has 18 gauge cables I'll probably joygasm |
| [13:31:13] | iamlindoro___: | Cables Thickness 18 guage |
| [13:31:18] | justinh: | it has 18 guage cables |
| [13:31:19] | ** iamlindoro___ changes shorts. ** | |
| [13:31:42] | justinh: | that's 18 individual guage cables. for its.. guages |
| [13:31:44] | iamlindoro___: | Anyway, so useless specs, yeah. |
| [13:32:05] | justinh: | but.. but.. it has VU meters so you can tell how loud it is! |
| [13:32:28] | iamlindoro___: | Which, from what I've heard of the hiper cases thus far, is LOUD |
| [13:32:49] | iamlindoro___: | Well, two volume levels, actually. Off, and intolerable. |
| [13:33:01] | justinh: | cheap PSU |
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| [13:35:27] | justinh: | time to buy some microSD cards |
| [13:36:29] | justinh: | can't believe we've gone for a card format which is actually useful for other things :D |
| [13:38:25] | iamlindoro___: | like.. shimming doorframes? |
| [13:39:42] | justinh: | like putting in an R4DS |
| [13:41:03] | iamlindoro___: | My Uncle Owen said that this R4 unit has a bad motivator. |
| [13:41:24] | justinh: | what does he know? he'll be dead at sundown |
| [13:41:58] | iamlindoro___: | Har har |
| [13:42:44] | dustybin: | this is a job interview from hell, your prize is working with me |
| [13:45:40] | dustybin: | now this is what i call, dimensions |
| [13:45:43] | dustybin: | Dimensions (wxhxd)-(mm) : 430 x 53 x 430 |
| [13:47:16] | iamlindoro___: | 36-29–36 |
| [13:47:25] | iamlindoro___: | *Those* are what I call dimensions |
| [13:47:32] | dustybin: | what case is that? |
| [13:47:38] | dustybin: | thats too small |
| [13:47:40] | gbee: | too wide for me, prefer the usual 35cm |
| [13:48:17] | gbee: | 35x14x38 |
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| [13:48:35] | iamlindoro___: | http://www.betus.com/images/benchwarmers/2005-12-09-004.jpg |
| [13:48:41] | iamlindoro___: | That's what I call a case |
| [13:48:52] | gbee: | :D |
| [13:49:48] | dustybin: | this is my backend case what i use now |
| [13:49:51] | dustybin: | http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/product.aspx? . . . 1B&af=50 |
| [13:50:04] | dustybin: | lol |
| [13:50:09] | cesman: | iamlindoro___: I like your taste in cases ;) |
| [13:50:18] | iamlindoro___: | cesman: Damn right! :) |
| [13:50:22] | dustybin: | me too :) |
| [13:51:03] | iamlindoro___: | Sadly, that girl has destroyed herself recently w/ surgery... *sigh* |
| [13:51:16] | gbee: | dustybin: still too big :) |
| [13:51:43] | gbee: | ATX though, so understandable |
| [13:52:24] | justinh: | iamlindoro___: that's what I call a 404 |
| [13:52:44] | dustybin: | gbee: thats my backend case |
| [13:52:56] | iamlindoro___: | I'll show her my card catalog... |
| [13:52:57] | cesman: | geek everywhere would be fight to put their hard drive into a case like that ;) |
| [13:53:19] | ** cesman like the frontend on that case ** | |
| [13:54:32] | justinh: | where do you plug the hdmi in? |
| [13:55:03] | iamlindoro___: | You've got to have a properly rated cable for that |
| [13:56:32] | EvilGuru: | A reasonable amount of RAM is also a necessity |
| [13:56:40] | dustybin: | otwin: why did you replace the PSU in your case? |
| [13:56:43] | iamlindoro___: | Nice one! |
| [13:57:05] | iamlindoro___: | So long as we're still speaking in double entendres and haven't accidentally drifted back on-topic, that is |
| [13:57:42] | iamlindoro___: | dustybin: Because he had massive hearing loss from the original |
| [13:57:56] | justinh: | iamlindoro___: does that case have anywhere I can plug one of these into? http://preview.tinyurl.com/6p3v2y |
| [13:58:31] | iamlindoro___: | justinh: Given adequate alcohol, you can use one of those provided adapters w/ any port |
| [13:58:52] | justinh: | roflmao |
| [13:59:22] | dustybin: | :-0 |
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| [14:03:19] | otwin: | dustybin: too noisy for me |
| [14:06:23] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [14:06:27] | dustybin: | heres a nice review to read |
| [14:06:30] | dustybin: | http://www.silentpcreview.com/article795-page1.html |
| [14:07:03] | iamlindoro___: | dustybin: Note the spot in that review where they mention the intolerably loud northbridge fan + PSU |
| [14:07:50] | gbee: | dustybin: nice, it uses the old version of my mobo |
| [14:08:18] | gbee: | no northbridge fan on mine |
| [14:08:21] | dustybin: | built in ATI... |
| [14:08:22] | justinh: | pity they don't make it in silver |
| [14:08:39] | gbee: | justinh: think they do |
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| [14:08:49] | gbee: | dustybin: yeah, like I said – nice :) |
| [14:09:03] | dustybin: | if only you can buy the case with nothing inside it |
| [14:09:26] | gbee: | HDMI, S-Video, Composite – brilliant mobo |
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| [14:09:51] | dustybin: | gbee: built in ATI graphics... ? |
| [14:09:57] | gbee: | yup |
| [14:10:08] | justinh: | what the hell kind of crazy thing powers the IR kit from a memory slot? |
| [14:10:16] | iamlindoro___: | gbee: Think they add the northbridge fan w/ that case because of airflow issues resulting in overheat |
| [14:10:37] | gbee: | justinh: yeah, that's crap – and I now realise I've seen that case reviewed already, it was mentioned a week ago in here |
| [14:10:44] | dustybin: | if that took a intel cpu and had intel built in graphics it would be nearly perfect |
| [14:10:59] | gbee: | iamlindoro__: makes sense, one reason I don't like those low profile cases |
| [14:11:41] | gbee: | dustybin: allergic to AMD/ATi? |
| [14:11:53] | justinh: | I think this is the review where they rip out the crap fans & PSU to replace them with good fans & passive PSU |
| [14:11:57] | iamlindoro___: | I'm probably the one who mentioned that case/review last time, the allegedly painful fan noise is what turned me off |
| [14:12:02] | justinh: | halves the power consumption & the heat |
| [14:12:38] | dustybin: | gbee: ive always been told to stay away from ATI when using mythtv |
| [14:13:17] | justinh: | dustybin: were you not here yesterday when some guy called dustybin was being told that ATI are beginning to get a clue now? |
| [14:13:29] | justinh: | maybe not |
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| [14:14:02] | dustybin: | justinh: ATI proprietry or ATI open-source ? |
| [14:14:03] | gbee: | dustybin: yeah, that advice is out of date based on my experience |
| [14:14:27] | justinh: | not the open source driver |
| [14:15:07] | directhex: | every time i've been told my knowledge of ATI is out of date, i try it, and find it's not improved remotely |
| [14:15:17] | dustybin: | justinh: what has changed since? can the ATI proprietry driver do all the same stuff as the Nvidia proprietry driver now? |
| [14:15:40] | iamlindoro___: | The major difference as I understand it is the addition (finally) of Xv to the driver |
| [14:15:53] | justinh: | like er.. provide Xv? yes |
| [14:15:58] | gbee: | dustybin: more (at least as far as MythTV goes) – better picture over svideo, better overscan support, better installer |
| [14:16:22] | gbee: | I feel like a broken record |
| [14:17:12] | gbee: | I can't really testify to all ATi chipsets but the x1250 as found on that mobo works brilliantly for me |
| [14:18:07] | gbee: | you need the driver from April but aside from that |
| [14:18:21] | justinh: | re-record, not fade away. re-record, not fade away. re-record, not fade away ... |
| [14:19:09] | ** justinh bulk-erases a VT archive of 3-2–1 ** | |
| [14:19:15] | gbee: | ok, there is a slight, almost unnoticable tearing issue – but I'm currently seeing that on my laptop with the Nvidia driver too and I'm confident that it will get fixed |
| [14:19:28] | dustybin: | heres the latest ATI linux driver release notes |
| [14:19:31] | dustybin: | https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.a . . . .html#194695 |
| [14:27:09] | EvilGuru: | There are two open source ATI drivers aren't there/ |
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| [14:31:45] | jduggan: | i have a tearing issue with my nvidia 8600 |
| [14:31:55] | jduggan: | only slight |
| [14:32:01] | jduggan: | but still annoyes me |
| [14:32:09] | EvilGuru: | jduggan: Could be sync-to-vblank |
| [14:32:23] | jduggan: | i tried tweaking all those settings |
| [14:32:41] | EvilGuru: | nvidia-settings? |
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| [14:45:35] | jduggan: | EvilGuru: yea, using nvidia-settings |
| [14:45:43] | Kyler: | I decided to try rebuilding my several-year-old MythTV server and use Ubuntu packages. I'm having trouble with mythtv-setup though. |
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| [14:45:54] | Kyler: | It doesn't see any of my PVR-250s. |
| [14:45:59] | EvilGuru: | jduggan: Are other applications fine? |
| [14:46:28] | EvilGuru: | Kyler: Does lspci see them? ls /dev | grep video; does this show anything? |
| [14:46:35] | Kyler: | The kernel modules load alright and they're registered but mythtv-setup.real encounters this: open("/dev/video0", O_RDWR|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 ENXIO (No such device or address) |
| [14:46:39] | ** EvilGuru is unsure is Ubuntu ships with firmwares ** | |
| [14:46:52] | Kyler: | dmesg shows: ivtv0: Registered device video0 for encoder MPG (4096 kB) |
| [14:47:12] | Kyler: | Ah ha! |
| [14:47:26] | Kyler: | EvilGuru: You're right! I see the firmware error in dmesg now. |
| [14:47:34] | Kyler: | I'll copy it from my old system... |
| [14:47:36] | iamlindoro: | http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=FirmwareVersions |
| [14:47:40] | EvilGuru: | mythbuntu, does, however ship with em |
| [14:48:19] | iamlindoro: | http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware if you would like the newest |
| [14:49:09] | Kyler: | iamlindoro: I just downloaded it. Thanks for the pointer. |
| [14:49:17] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [14:49:39] | Kyler: | Whew! It's been years since I've gone through all this stuff. My box was getting _really_ slow and I'm trying to get ready for HD when the HD-PVR arrives. |
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| [14:52:59] | Kyler: | The next big issue will be how to drag most of my current database forward. |
| [14:53:12] | EvilGuru: | Kyler: mysql dump |
| [14:54:12] | Kyler: | EvilGuru: Yeah, I was avoiding that because I've had a lot of problems with, I think, MySQL. |
| [14:54:19] | phantommig: | hello! anyone have a setup where they have their dish || direct tv receivers in a closet somewhere hooked up to their tuner cards on a backend and able to control them on frontends around the house. Or is this the wrong way to do it? Anyone have info links to this setup (the message boards and forums turn up results on controlling the receiver). |
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| [14:54:36] | Kyler: | It's gotten terribly slow and I usually get at least one timeout before playback of a recording. |
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| [14:55:04] | EvilGuru: | Kyler: If you dump it, all should be well |
| [14:55:07] | Kyler: | I was hoping to "start fresh" with this system...but I don't want to lose everything I've done. So I'm going slowly. |
| [14:55:28] | Kyler: | EvilGuru: O.k., I might as well try. It'd be a lot less painful. |
| [14:55:33] | Kyler: | EvilGuru: Thanks. |
| [14:56:00] | dustybin: | nice mini atx frontend case |
| [14:56:02] | dustybin: | http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=10409 |
| [14:56:16] | dustybin: | comes with psu |
| [14:59:04] | dustybin: | this is a good old silverstone, 'small' case |
| [14:59:06] | dustybin: | http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=12042 |
| [14:59:20] | dustybin: | now that looks nice |
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| [15:02:51] | dustybin: | imagine a sexy HD ready front end looking like this |
| [15:02:53] | dustybin: | http://www2.multithread.co.uk/mtcshop/images/ . . . ck_front.jpg |
| [15:03:26] | dustybin: | * Dimension: 285mm(W) x 235mm(D) x 55mm(H) |
| [15:04:26] | dustybin: | grrrrrr there is always a downside |
| [15:04:29] | dustybin: | Designed to accept all VIA EPIA and Jetway C7 based mainboards |
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| [15:13:55] | iamlindoro__: | That's a pretty big downside |
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| [15:31:19] | iamlindoro__: | Bah, I'm never helping in #ubuntu-mythtv again. When people start objecting to sarcastic /topics, it's become way to pussified. |
| [15:32:08] | iamlindoro__: | "But what if someone is mean to someone else while answering their questions?? *tortured sob*" |
| [15:32:51] | iamlindoro__: | Tolerating sarcasm is a small price to pay for consistently right answers, methinks. |
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| [15:36:46] | EvilGuru: | iamlindoro__: What is \topic in there? |
| [15:36:59] | EvilGuru: | * /topic sorry |
| [15:37:20] | iamlindoro__: | I dunno, someone objected to a statement about "Hang around longer than six minutes, I'm not paid to answer your questions you know." |
| [15:37:30] | iamlindoro__: | that's paraphrasing but you get the point |
| [15:38:00] | iamlindoro__: | In the grand scheme of snarky topics, that one is hardly bad |
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| [15:38:52] | iamlindoro__: | and then cries of "thought we had some etiquette around here" |
| [15:38:59] | EvilGuru: | I remember when unscrupulous channels would have a 'bait' for those looking for an instant answer in the form of a tiny-url to tubgirl or something along those lines |
| [15:39:29] | iamlindoro__: | Mmmmm, nummy |
| [15:40:38] | iamlindoro__: | Anyway, A channel that places everyone having joyjoy feelings for each other and soft, tender caresses over right answers is no place for me! |
| [15:41:32] | EvilGuru: | When it comes to concerning the feelings of others mythtv is second to #gnu (which probably explains why I hang out here) |
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| [15:42:44] | iamlindoro__: | I think the entrance requirements for this channel aren't too bad-- If you've even *tried* to read through the documentation you usually get plenty of help |
| [15:43:16] | iamlindoro__: | Or if you preface a question with "I've googled for this but I'm either using the wrong terms or unable to find the answer, but..." |
| [15:43:27] | iamlindoro__: | Both score major points with me, personally |
| [15:43:57] | willcooke: | http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/asus-intro . . . -sound-card/ |
| [15:44:55] | EvilGuru: | Beats transcoding it all to AC3 I guess |
| [15:45:11] | sid3windr: | I've googled for this but I'm either using the wrong terms or unable to find the answer, but is there a windows version of mythtv? |
| [15:45:14] | sid3windr: | I've googled for this but I'm either using the wrong terms or unable to find the answer, but can it control my house? |
| [15:45:24] | sid3windr: | I've googled for this but I'm either using the wrong terms or unable to find the answer, but can it download torrents? |
| [15:45:27] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [15:45:32] | iamlindoro__: | willcooke, I think there are some new nVidia boards (and 177 series drivers) that purport to be 1.3-compliant as well, so that's neat |
| [15:45:52] | iamlindoro__: | sid3windr, See, those might get terse answers from me, but I'd at least answer to acknowledge the effort made :) |
| [15:46:08] | iamlindoro__: | And just for the log's sake, yes, no, no. |
| [15:46:10] | iamlindoro__: | :) |
| [15:46:11] | sid3windr: | :] |
| [15:46:17] | EvilGuru: | Question is will the ALSA drivers support such features |
| [15:46:47] | iamlindoro__: | EvilGuru, I know on the ATI side, the HDMI audio device is it's own ALSA device, so I expect it would be the same/similar |
| [15:46:54] | EvilGuru: | But I guess even 8 channel LPCM support is worth something |
| [15:46:55] | Kyler: | I initially configured MySQL on my new backend image to not allow remote access. (I used a tunnel.) I'd like to try it with remote access but I don't see the "Ubuntu way" to do it. |
| [15:47:46] | iamlindoro__: | Kyler, in my.cnf change bind-address from localhost/127.0.0.1 to a real IP, and adjust MySQL permissions appropriately |
| [15:48:02] | iamlindoro__: | No real point-and-click Ubuntu way that I am aware of |
| [15:48:21] | EvilGuru: | Wonder how many A/V receivers support taking video from one HDMI/DVI port and audio from another |
| [15:48:31] | Kyler: | iamlindoro__: I did that but then the local restart didn't work. I recall seeing it as an option during initial configuration but dpkg-reconfigure doesn't do it. |
| [15:48:45] | iamlindoro__: | local restart? |
| [15:49:04] | Kyler: | Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| [15:49:15] | Kyler: | I don't know why that would be affected by the bind-address though. |
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| [15:49:42] | iamlindoro__: | EvilGuru, Mine is kinda neat (a Sony somethingorother), it will allow you to mix and match any of the audio inputs with any video inputs, and output via HDMI or component (ie do a component-> HDMI conversion) |
| [15:50:11] | Kyler: | Hmmm...I tried it again and it worked. |
| [15:50:18] | iamlindoro__: | Heh |
| [15:50:22] | iamlindoro__: | Nice |
| [15:50:46] | EvilGuru: | iamlindoro__: Does it do deinterlacing at all on the component/1080i inputs, or just send them straight to the TV? |
| [15:51:09] | iamlindoro__: | Just (and this is probably the wrong term w/r/t HDMI) "remuxes" them |
| [15:51:52] | iamlindoro__: | Looks like that Asus card takes the video as a passthrough, interesting |
| [15:52:15] | iamlindoro__: | ie Video Card HDMI out -> Asus Card -> adds audio stream, outputs via second HDMI port |
| [15:53:00] | EvilGuru: | So connect your current cards HDMI/DVI to the Asus card and it will add the audio in |
| [15:53:08] | iamlindoro__: | yeah, looks like |
| [15:53:32] | EvilGuru: | Okay, that is quite neat |
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| [15:57:21] | EvilGuru: | Wonder why they did it though — as if newer cards are feature HDMI out (with some sort of audio support) |
| [15:57:42] | iamlindoro__: | Probably for the many HDMI video cards w/o HDMI 1.3 support |
| [15:57:53] | iamlindoro__: | and DVI cards |
| [15:58:08] | iamlindoro__: | w/o 1.3 support, you can't mux in most of the HD audio streams |
| [15:58:10] | Kyler: | I'm confused about Ubuntu Hardy lirc support. I don't see a lirc-serial module but this page makes it sound like it should be there. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallLirc/Hardy |
| [15:58:21] | Kyler: | (I'm really trying to avoid compiling anything this time around.) |
| [15:58:45] | EvilGuru: | iamlindoro__: Wouldn't you want to decode them to LPCM? That way you can mix in sounds form other applications etc |
| [15:59:03] | iamlindoro__: | Kyler, I don't know how much of your work you would be willing to lose, but Mythbuntu ISOs make LIRC and just about everything else *really* painless |
| [15:59:13] | EvilGuru: | Kyler: I'll second that |
| [15:59:46] | Kyler: | Yeah...I realize that. I'm so much more comfortable using debootstrap though. |
| [16:00:05] | Kyler: | And it looks like lirc is the only thing remaining to handle. |
| [16:00:09] | iamlindoro__: | EvilGuru, I'm unclear whether there in any hardware mixing going on on the card itself-- there probably is (ie perhaps it can mux BR compliant streams in hardware, including application noises) |
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| [16:00:38] | EvilGuru: | Be neat if it could do that in hardware |
| [16:01:09] | Kyler: | So does Mythbuntu have its own kernel modules (which include lirc)? |
| [16:01:19] | iamlindoro__: | Kyler, anyway, that page is right, it really should be there already |
| [16:01:42] | EvilGuru: | However, I would doubt ALSA would support it, same way that hardware DTS (DTS connect) encoding is not provided |
| [16:01:57] | Kyler: | iamlindoro__: Shouldn't I see it here then? http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=co . . . amp;arch=any |
| [16:01:58] | iamlindoro__: | Kyler, Mythbuntu is Ubuntu with some extra stuff thrown in to make Myth a snap and extremely streamlined/fast, but the LIRC setup there is practically brainless and should be cross-ported to Ubuntu proper without a doubt |
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| [16:03:54] | iamlindoro__: | Kyler, That search just encompasses package contents AFAIK, and I'm not familiar enough with the output of that to tell you what you should or should not see. What precisely is the problem? When you apt-get install lirc and it brings up the configure options, is there just no serial option? |
| [16:04:19] | MinDKrime: | Do I need an NFS share to watch videos on my frontend from a remote backend? |
| [16:04:22] | ** iamlindoro__ realizes he's suddenly answering LIRC questions which is on his short list of "won't ever support." :) ** | |
| [16:04:32] | iamlindoro__: | MinDKrime, Or SAMBA, yes |
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| [16:04:38] | MinDKrime: | ok thx :) |
| [16:04:48] | iamlindoro__: | If you mean Mythvideo stuff |
| [16:04:51] | MinDKrime: | Yes |
| [16:04:53] | iamlindoro__: | recordings will stream w/o mounts |
| [16:05:05] | iamlindoro__: | ok, then yes |
| [16:05:43] | Kyler: | iamlindoro__: I was hoping to avoid installing the lirc package. I just want the lirc_serial driver. |
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| [16:05:56] | iamlindoro__: | Ah, you are probably out of luck, then |
| [16:06:08] | iamlindoro__: | You will almost certainly need to install lirc proper-- why don't you want that, anyway? |
| [16:06:18] | iamlindoro__: | You will still need lirc itself to handle the events |
| [16:06:33] | kormoc: | Kyler, lirc_serial is rather worthless without lircd... |
| [16:06:37] | Kyler: | Found it! lirc_serial is in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-18-generic |
| [16:06:42] | iamlindoro__: | the lirc_serial module will do nothing without the lirc daemon running |
| [16:06:45] | Kyler: | kormoc: And yet...that's how I use it. |
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| [16:07:19] | kormoc: | that seems highly broken |
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| [16:07:36] | iamlindoro__: | Yes, that seems... wrong. A lot. |
| [16:08:21] | kormoc: | the only think I can think of is he's not using myth and whatever app he is using is doing the ir signal to key press conversion by hand |
| [16:08:46] | Kyler: | So now it seems like I just need to disable serial8250 but it appears to be compiled into the kernel (for serial console, I suspect). |
| [16:08:57] | kormoc: | erm |
| [16:09:09] | kormoc: | you don't need to disable the serial ports to use a serial device... |
| [16:09:25] | kormoc: | without the general serial driver, lirc_serial can't access the serial port |
| [16:10:22] | Kyler: | Yea! I got it to work. |
| [16:10:57] | Kyler: | kormoc: lirc_serial: port 03f8 already in use |
| [16:11:21] | Kyler: | "setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none" does the trick. |
| [16:11:26] | iamlindoro__: | That's just a matter of setserial, no? Not disabling the serial module |
| [16:11:31] | iamlindoro__: | exactly |
| [16:12:01] | MinDKrime: | humm is nfs or samba better? On the mail list I see both |
| [16:12:03] | clever: | the configure/makefile tells you to do that at compile time |
| [16:12:11] | iamlindoro__: | MinDKrime, If it's just linux machines, use NFS, it's faster |
| [16:12:14] | Kyler: | In my old system I disabled the module. That's the other suggestion dmesg output gives: "or compile the serial port driver as module andmake sure this module is loaded first" |
| [16:12:21] | kormoc: | MinDKrime, both...neather...depends... |
| [16:12:21] | clever: | i think its a #warning in the code |
| [16:12:29] | clever: | which reacts to the .config for your kernel |
| [16:12:38] | Kyler: | Now I just need to stick setserial in modprobe.d... |
| [16:13:00] | clever: | i have the setserial in rc.local before i modprobe lirc_serial and start lircd |
| [16:13:22] | ** iamlindoro__ waits for the part where someone explains how you use lirc without lircd running. ** | |
| [16:13:47] | clever: | setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none |
| [16:13:48] | Kyler: | iamlindoro__: See jvc_send_string. |
| [16:13:49] | clever: | insmod /root/lirc/lirc_dev.ko |
| [16:13:49] | clever: | insmod /root/lirc/lirc_serial.ko |
| [16:13:58] | clever: | /usr/local/sbin/lircd -d /dev/lirc0 -o /dev/lircd2 |
| [16:13:58] | clever: | /usr/local/sbin/lircd -d /dev/lirc1 -o /dev/lircd -P /var/run/lircd2.pid |
| [16:14:04] | iamlindoro__: | Oh FFS |
| [16:14:05] | clever: | my rc.local is a mess |
| [16:14:07] | MinDKrime: | k |
| [16:14:09] | iamlindoro__: | the clever pastefest for the day begins |
| [16:14:12] | clever: | lol |
| [16:14:12] | Kyler: | clever: I feel a little dirty using rc.local. |
| [16:14:14] | MinDKrime: | linux |
| [16:14:20] | MinDKrime: | so I will look into nfs :) |
| [16:14:26] | clever: | i got a ton of junk in rc.local |
| [16:14:30] | MinDKrime: | thx again :D |
| [16:14:40] | iamlindoro__: | "Your search – jvc_send_string – did not match any documents. " |
| [16:14:46] | iamlindoro__: | yep, I feel enlightened |
| [16:16:17] | Kyler: | iamlindoro__: Oops. jvc_send_string is something I wrote. Try "jvc_send". And make sure you report to kormoc. |
| [16:16:58] | Kyler: | modprobe.d entry: install lirc_serial setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none ; /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install lirc_serial |
| [16:17:07] | iamlindoro__: | Sooo... someone reimplemented their own tiny, purpose-built lircd? |
| [16:17:25] | Kyler: | It's not much of a daemon. |
| [16:17:53] | iamlindoro__: | On that we can agree |
| [16:18:01] | iamlindoro__: | But probably with different meanings |
| [16:18:12] | Kyler: | Or rather, it's silly to call it a daemon because it's not one. |
| [16:19:16] | iamlindoro__: | No, but it does do the job of lircd, which seems profoundly shortsighted. |
| [16:19:23] | iamlindoro__: | but hey, whatever you like |
| [16:19:55] | Kyler: | Ah...yes, it's extremely shortsighted. Using something that works instead of something that doesn't work gives _immediate_ benefits. |
| [16:20:11] | MinDKrime: | Got it working... Thank you for the help :) |
| [16:20:15] | iamlindoro__: | MinDKrime, np |
| [16:20:37] | iamlindoro__: | Kyler, what advantages does your method have over using proper lirc? |
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| [16:21:09] | Kyler: | iamlindoro__: It sends the signals I need to send. |
| [16:21:17] | iamlindoro__: | *eyeroll* |
| [16:21:43] | iamlindoro__: | OK, I'm not going to torture information out of you, no more help from me, since you don't listen/respond anyway |
| [16:22:19] | whoDat_: | the mythtv wiki points to a DIY ir receiver, not an ir blaster. does anyone know a DIY website for a blaster? |
| [16:22:27] | iamlindoro__: | I'm presuming you're working on the old, outdated assumption that LIRC doesn't support your dish or similar receiver, which is no longer correct. |
| [16:22:30] | kormoc: | whoDat_, check lirc.org |
| [16:22:36] | iamlindoro__: | whoDat_, lirc.org has some DIY blasters I think |
| [16:22:41] | iamlindoro__: | heh, jinx as alway kormoc :) |
| [16:22:44] | iamlindoro__: | always |
| [16:23:02] | whoDat_: | thx |
| [16:23:39] | gbee: | easier to buy an M$ usb receiver/blaster IMHO |
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| [16:25:58] | Kyler: | iamlindoro__: That's good to know but I've already got enough tools that use jvc_send(_string) that it's easier for me to stick with them. |
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| [16:27:49] | Kyler: | I'm leaning toward switching to DirecTV for HD service because some of their receivers have (wired) serial control. |
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| [16:28:59] | iamlindoro__: | Gain serial control, lose half your bitrate. Sounds like a fair tradeoff to me! But then, common sense arguments haven't swayed you thus far, so why should they start now |
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| [16:31:34] | Kyler: | Ug...and I see that Myth has already added some HD channels for me... (I don't have HD.) |
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| [16:35:05] | GlemSom: | I'm seeing this warning in mythbackend -> http://pastebin.ca/1039612 What is the recommended driver then? |
| [16:36:24] | iamlindoro__: | GlemSom, anything after 1.0.3? |
| [16:36:34] | Kyler: | iamlindoro__: You sound like you're hurting. I'm sorry if my use of Myth/LIRC has disturbed you. |
| [16:37:09] | iamlindoro__: | Kyler, No, I've learned some people can't be saved from themselves |
| [16:37:13] | GlemSom: | iamlindoro, it says 1.0.3+ So I guess that means anything after 1.0.3? |
| [16:37:28] | iamlindoro__: | GlemSom, Yes, 1.2 is out and it's always improving, so you might try that. |
| [16:37:45] | iamlindoro__: | Or 1.1 if you're on kernel 2.6.24 |
| [16:38:05] | GlemSom: | iamlindoro, Ok, just from that text in the logfile – it sounds like ALL drivers AFTER 1.0.3 will capture VBI wrong.... |
| [16:38:32] | kormoc: | GlemSom, only too 1.1 |
| [16:38:46] | GlemSom: | ok, I think I'll try a 2.6.25 kernel and ivtv 1.2 then :) |
| [16:38:48] | GlemSom: | Thanks |
| [16:38:58] | iamlindoro__: | GlemSom, I'm not certain as I don't use those two cards-- they're the oldest in the line and may be gradually losing support |
| [16:39:08] | iamlindoro__: | If you don't use a 250 or 350 then you're probably in the clear |
| [16:39:22] | kormoc: | I'm running 1.2 with a m179 |
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| [16:40:00] | GlemSom: | iamlindoro, Well, actually I got a 500 card... But since I get that message I would assume it's kinda like 2x250 cards... |
| [16:40:08] | iamlindoro__: | no, it's 2 x 150 |
| [16:40:13] | iamlindoro__: | more or less |
| [16:40:15] | GlemSom: | ohh... |
| [16:40:17] | GlemSom: | ok :) |
| [16:40:45] | iamlindoro__: | There's that crazy hauppauge math for you |
| [16:40:52] | iamlindoro__: | 2 x 150 = 500, yay! |
| [16:41:03] | kormoc: | 150 > 250 |
| [16:41:11] | iamlindoro__: | Indeed |
| [16:41:23] | iamlindoro__: | Hehe, more Haupp. math |
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| [16:49:48] | iamlindoro__: | Ah users list, is there no end to your hilarity? |
| [16:50:05] | iamlindoro__: | "Has anyone gotten Myth working yet on Foresight Linux?" |
| [16:50:58] | iamlindoro__: | No, I've never heard of your crazy foreskin linux |
| [16:53:09] | gbee: | yet another distro? So what exactly does this one offer that the other hundred don't? |
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| [16:53:36] | kormoc: | it has the foreight to know it's gonna win the distro wars? |
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| [16:55:29] | iamlindoro__: | And the foresight to include $NewBeforeSeenOrHeardOfPackageManager |
| [16:55:38] | iamlindoro__: | Never, that is |
| [16:56:20] | iamlindoro__: | Ah, and a non-GPL package manager at that |
| [16:57:58] | iamlindoro__: | So, to summarize, a linux distro I've never heard of with a package manager I've never heard of w/ a license I've never heard of. |
| [16:58:04] | iamlindoro__: | Does it run myth? No. |
| [17:00:13] | hadees: | iamlindoro, non-GPL isn't necessarily a negative, i prefer the BSD license |
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| [17:14:56] | GlemSom: | iamlindoro__, hmm sadly the 2.6.25 kernel in Gentoo does not wanna play nicly with ivtv 1.2.0 :/ |
| [17:15:48] | beandog: | I know. |
| [17:15:50] | beandog: | I gotta fix that. |
| [17:15:59] | kormoc: | GlemSom, 2.6.24.1 is the kver I recommend currently |
| [17:16:13] | beandog: | I gotta fix a lot of IVTV stuff |
| [17:16:50] | GlemSom: | hmm ok |
| [17:17:30] | beandog: | GlemSom, it'll probably work, its just a stupid ebuild bug. |
| [17:17:59] | GlemSom: | beandog, I didn't use the ebuild... |
| [17:18:22] | beandog: | oh |
| [17:18:24] | beandog: | nevermind then. |
| [17:21:22] | califdreas: | i thought ivtv is part of the kernel? |
| [17:21:30] | kormoc: | it is |
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| [17:21:49] | kormoc: | but you can also not use the kernel version and use the external version still |
| [17:22:16] | beandog: | there is no external version |
| [17:22:19] | beandog: | therse userland tools |
| [17:22:22] | beandog: | theres |
| [17:22:35] | beandog: | thats what ivtv 1.x is |
| [17:22:48] | psofa: | really urgent question: can i use a usb to serial cable for my lirc serial dongle? i want to buy a new mobo without serial port |
| [17:23:05] | kormoc: | beandog, sure there is. You can compile ivtv outside of the kernel still... it's not officially supported, but people still do it |
| [17:23:11] | beandog: | psofa, you could always buy a PCI card with serial ports, too |
| [17:23:12] | kormoc: | psofa, not typically, but sometimes it works |
| [17:23:22] | beandog: | kormoc, I'm not talking about drivers, Im talking about tools. |
| [17:23:32] | beandog: | newest ivtv releases are *not* drivers. |
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| [17:23:42] | psofa: | err the mobo is short on pci ports as well |
| [17:23:44] | beandog: | since, as you said, they are all in the kernel |
| [17:24:10] | califdreas: | kormoc: are you talking about compiling the module from hans' repository? |
| [17:24:27] | kormoc: | califdreas, and other repos, aye |
| [17:24:31] | psofa: | kormoc, sometimes? i mean if a lirc_serial device can work through the usb to serial cable |
| [17:24:46] | kormoc: | psofa, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't |
| [17:24:50] | GlemSom: | The tools is still required for the card to work right? |
| [17:25:00] | califdreas: | GlemSom: nope |
| [17:25:06] | kormoc: | psofa, it's all about if the adapter doesn't screw up the latency too much |
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| [17:25:44] | beandog: | GlemSom, no |
| [17:25:59] | joomla_user: | there is no such thing as lirc_serial device |
| [17:26:00] | GlemSom: | hmm – when what modules should be loaded for the card to work? |
| [17:26:18] | Dagmar: | troll elsewhere |
| [17:26:19] | kormoc: | GlemSom, ivtv should load up any deps |
| [17:26:47] | joomla_user: | i am not trolling. read next time |
| [17:26:58] | Dagmar: | You are *always* trolling |
| [17:27:09] | GlemSom: | kormoc, Well, I did a "make menuconfig" when configuring the kernel.. and I THINK i got all I needed.. But maybe not? What could I be missing here? |
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| [17:27:34] | kormoc: | GlemSom, see if you have the ivtv module loaded? dmesg should show some nice useful output |
| [17:27:58] | GlemSom: | kormoc, I don't |
| [17:28:01] | kormoc: | joomla_user, explain more? lirc_serial is a valid lirc device for receivers and blasters... |
| [17:28:08] | kormoc: | GlemSom, so modprobe ivtv? |
| [17:28:09] | joomla_user: | create init and update grub.conf if its not aout ,also check your distro tutorials |
| [17:28:26] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow at joomla_user ** | |
| [17:29:08] | joomla_user: | "lirc_serial device" ont lirc_serial device driver |
| [17:29:30] | kormoc: | joomla_user, and if there's no such thing as a lirc serial device, why would there be a driver? |
| [17:29:32] | joomla_user: | "lirc_serial device" there are non , there is only lirc_serial device driver |
| [17:29:37] | GlemSom: | kormoc, no such module... |
| [17:29:53] | kormoc: | GlemSom, it would seem that you didn't compile it (as a module at least) |
| [17:30:04] | beandog: | ivtv has to be setup as a module |
| [17:30:12] | sid3windr: | pedantic etc. |
| [17:30:14] | beandog: | everything in v4l2 should |
| [17:30:48] | Dagmar: | Particularly, ivtv *must* be |
| [17:30:58] | kormoc: | joomla_user, you're splitting hairs that shouldn't be split. Also, don't give random 'help' that's meaningless and only serves to confuse users |
| [17:31:38] | joomla_user: | thats how ubuntu come to be, wrong information creates ubuntu users |
| [17:31:53] | GlemSom: | beandog, kormoc uhhm... I'm looking through the menu (using make menuconfig)... But I cannot seem to locate anything "ivtv" here... ? |
| [17:32:12] | califdreas: | joomla_user: it's not got anything to do with birds & bees? |
| [17:32:24] | Dagmar: | I say just ban his ass |
| [17:32:31] | Dagmar: | You can find him trolling with Google now even http://www.irseek.com/show.php?pageid=790b308 . . . hilite=berly |
| [17:32:33] | joomla_user: | WAit! |
| [17:33:29] | iamlindoro__: | There's entirely too little banning about here, and he's more than earned it |
| [17:33:41] | sid3windr: | :] |
| [17:34:15] | joomla_user: | i just started making virtual fishing game for mythtv |
| [17:34:46] | kormoc: | joomla_user, oh shut up. It's not funny and will serve to get you banned |
| [17:35:08] | califdreas: | GlemSom: In my config i have this line: CONFIG_VIDEO_IVTV=m |
| [17:35:31] | joomla_user: | module |
| [17:35:57] | kormoc: | Dagmar, I don't see him trolling at all in that link *shrugs* |
| [17:37:26] | Dagmar: | kormoc: You gotta scroll down in the text area, and you'll see him telling people random things pretending to help |
| [17:38:42] | GlemSom: | califdreas, Strange... cat .config | grep -i ivtv gives me nothing at all... |
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| [17:40:28] | joomla_user: | video capture devices |
| [17:40:35] | califdreas: | GlemSom: do you have v4l2 compiled into the kernel? |
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| [17:43:22] | GlemSom: | califdreas, yes |
| [17:44:20] | beandog: | make it all modules |
| [17:44:35] | GlemSom: | ahh... ok :D thanks!! :D |
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| [17:54:07] | califdreas: | i just looked through menuconfig and couldn't find anything ivtv either. Yet it is in the config file. Strange... |
| [17:55:15] | kormoc: | Conexant cx23416/cx23415 MPEG encoder/decoder support |
| [17:55:51] | califdreas: | aha. |
| [17:56:27] | GlemSom: | Is there a way I can see what is blocking me from choosing ivtv in the kernel config? |
| [17:56:38] | kormoc: | in menuconfig, / will allow you to search, so /IVTV shows a lot of niceness |
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| [17:56:56] | kormoc: | GlemSom, did you enable the Enable Video For Linux API 1? |
| [17:57:07] | GlemSom: | is it named cx23416/cx23415 MPEG encoder/decoder support then? |
| [17:57:29] | kormoc: | yes |
| [17:57:47] | kormoc: | press ? over it and you'll see that it's IVTV |
| [17:58:00] | GlemSom: | kormoc, I have the API 1 compatibility layer |
| [17:58:59] | GlemSom: | WOW finaly... I've found it! :D |
| [18:00:18] | GlemSom: | Thanks a million guys! Not to compile a kernel :P |
| [18:00:26] | GlemSom: | Not -> now |
| [18:04:32] | ventz: | Anyone have a good setup for ffmpeg to only convert to mp3's |
| [18:05:37] | ventz: | there are a lot of "court tv" shows that i would'nt mind listening to, if i could get them to 15–20MB |
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| [18:22:13] | EvilGuru: | ventz: To convert what to mp3 sorry? |
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| [18:31:48] | Kyler: | ventz: Are you having problems getting the basics or are you just trying to tweak the output? 15–20MB for an hour of mono audio should be fairly easy. |
| [18:33:32] | Dagmar: | Well, it'll sound like a cheap pocket radio |
| [18:35:11] | Kyler: | dagmar: Fortunately cheap pocket radios and 20MB/hour MP3s both sound quite good for voice. |
| [18:35:39] | Dagmar: | If it's *only* voice |
| [18:35:46] | Dagmar: | "Reality shows" like to add music |
| [18:35:58] | Dagmar: | You don't notice it, until it completely muds out the encoding |
| [18:36:32] | Dagmar: | I just buy 1Gb sdcards for my palm so I don't have to care about space |
| [18:36:38] | Kyler: | Oh...Court TV isn't just voice, huh? (I recorded depositions for years. I had images of really plain speech.) |
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| [18:37:27] | Kyler: | Still, I've got a bunch of mono recordings that sound fairly good, even with music, at about that bitrate. http://lairds.us/temp/UUC/services/ |
| [18:38:03] | Kyler: | (Earlier ones were done with a pocket FM recorder. Ick! Later ones are direct using LAME.) |
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| [18:38:20] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | mono? Wow, I haven't had that since high school! ;-) |
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| [18:42:57] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: so you discovered the Canonical credo (and thereby biggest flaw) then? ;) |
| [18:43:18] | justinh: | knowledge is passed on via bodily fluids, or some such |
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| [18:43:56] | justinh: | oops. not just bodily fluids. also needs judicious use of the word 'awesome' |
| [18:44:37] | jarle: | There is no way of having mytharchive running in the background while watching recordings on the same frontend? |
| [18:45:11] | justinh: | incorrect |
| [18:45:28] | keith4: | isn't there a way to run mytharchive scripts from the terminal? |
| [18:45:43] | Dagmar: | Anything's possible |
| [18:45:59] | justinh: | after starting mytharchive off on its mammoth processing task, just esc out of mytharchive. badabing |
| [18:48:31] | justinh: | going into mytharchive again afterwards will allow it you to check on its progress or cancel the job |
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| [18:50:14] | lanuser: | Hello – anyone else out there have and use a serial IRBlaster from www.irblaster.info ? |
| [18:50:45] | justinh: | no, you're the only one to ever buy one |
| [18:51:30] | lanuser: | I'm just wondering which driver to use in lircd setup – maybe Home-brew (16x50 UART compatible serial port) ? |
| [18:53:04] | keith4: | uh... try it and see |
| [18:53:05] | justinh: | more than likely homebrew. doesn't look like it's any more than a dumb serial port job |
| [18:53:28] | justinh: | looking at the picture of it.. component count makes it a homebrew |
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| [19:02:41] | lanuser: | Well, this is good, I just got it to work on my U-Verse STB, something that I couldn't do with my CommandIR blaster even after two months and a hundred emails back and forth with tech support |
| [19:03:29] | lanuser: | I have a dual headed IRBlaster but get an error when trying to set_transmitter |
| [19:03:34] | jarle: | justinh: ok, good! |
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| [19:16:02] | minhaaj: | how do i set up server ? |
| [19:16:07] | minhaaj: | i can't get mythtv to work |
| [19:17:53] | JohnMahowald: | What server? Define doesn't work. |
| [19:18:10] | minhaaj: | wait let me tell you |
| [19:18:13] | minhaaj: | i have to write port number |
| [19:18:21] | minhaaj: | i am using it for the first time |
| [19:18:26] | minhaaj: | i have no idea how to configure it |
| [19:18:38] | kormoc: | minhaaj, reading the manual tends to help |
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| [19:19:06] | minhaaj: | it says no UNP found |
| [19:19:08] | minhaaj: | whats that ? |
| [19:19:15] | minhaaj: | kormoc: yea thanks. |
| [19:19:16] | kormoc: | you mean UPnP |
| [19:19:22] | minhaaj: | oh yea that |
| [19:19:54] | kormoc: | it means your backend can not be found via Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) |
| [19:20:08] | minhaaj: | yes |
| [19:20:27] | kormoc: | so that begs the question, is your backend running? |
| [19:20:59] | minhaaj: | how do i check that ? |
| [19:21:13] | minhaaj: | i am sorry i just switched from windows. ignore my naivety plz |
| [19:21:26] | kormoc: | It's all covered in the manual |
| [19:21:40] | kormoc: | hence my recommendation that you read it |
| [19:22:05] | minhaaj: | ok |
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| [19:22:51] | minhaaj: | oh it works with tv tuner card |
| [19:22:55] | minhaaj: | i thought its something like joost |
| [19:23:08] | kormoc: | no, it's a pvr application |
| [19:23:45] | justinh: | something like joost? like .. a waste of time? ;) |
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| [19:24:21] | minhaaj: | hehe |
| [19:24:46] | minhaaj: | oh ok, gotta uninstall until i get tv tuner card |
| [19:25:14] | lanuser: | Anyone using a dual headed serial blaster? |
| [19:25:50] | killaz: | I need some help with overscan problem. I have a LCD tv and I dont see the edges of the screens anyone know how to solve this with the nvidia settings? |
| [19:25:58] | killaz: | or maybe with modeline? |
| [19:26:38] | justinh: | killaz: modeline would be the only way – if any |
| [19:27:06] | justinh: | sometimes it's useful not to see the edges of video – this is why TVs generally overscan |
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| [19:29:07] | lanuser: | killaz what kind of video card do you have and what resolution do you want? |
| [19:30:22] | ventz: | Kyler: having problem with the basic — and by problem I mean no clue how to go about it |
| [19:30:26] | killaz: | justinh: I have an nvidia EN8500GT.. and I want the resolution of 1920x1080 |
| [19:30:36] | ventz: | (sorry for taking so long to respond, took a lunch break) |
| [19:30:49] | killaz: | I mean lanuser: I have an nvidia EN8500GT.. and I want the resolution of 1920x1080 |
| [19:32:10] | ventz: | EvilGuru: recording from mpeg-2 to mp3 |
| [19:32:20] | EvilGuru: | ventz: ffmpeg will do that |
| [19:32:31] | ventz: | but how do you eliminate the video? |
| [19:32:50] | EvilGuru: | ventz: Dare I say: ffmpeg foo.mpeg bar.mp3 |
| [19:33:08] | ventz: | you serious? |
| [19:34:05] | ** ventz goes to try this new trick ** | |
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| [19:36:19] | ventz: | EvilGuru: i have no idea why I did'nt think of that, and why I thought it would be more complicated or that there would be a special flag to not output video |
| [19:36:23] | ventz: | works perfectly :) |
| [19:36:25] | ventz: | EvilGuru: thanks |
| [19:36:32] | EvilGuru: | ventz: There's more! |
| [19:36:50] | EvilGuru: | Knowing how long the show is we can use: -ab <x>k |
| [19:36:56] | EvilGuru: | so that it is 20mb or so |
| [19:38:44] | killaz: | lanuser: did you see my answer? 1920x1080 and an nvidia EN8500GT |
| [19:39:11] | killaz: | can you figure out the modeline using this info? |
| [19:40:03] | ventz: | a 1 hr show @ 64kb audio came to exactly 20 mb |
| [19:40:16] | ventz: | (using my transcoded file as the source though) |
| [19:41:07] | ventz: | ahh perfect |
| [19:41:11] | ventz: | just what I wanted |
| [19:42:27] | lanuser: | killaz are you connected to the TV with DVI or VGA? I have an ancient GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x that detects 1920x1080 without modelines |
| [19:42:29] | gbee: | killaz: how are you outputting the signal to the TV? |
| [19:42:49] | gbee: | ^^ |
| [19:42:57] | lanuser: | :) |
| [19:43:41] | gbee: | generally you shouldn't need modelines with DVI or HDMI – which is really want you want for a HD TV anyway because the quality is so much better |
| [19:44:00] | killaz: | lanuser: with DVI... |
| [19:44:25] | GlemSom: | beandog, you there? I've compiled a 2.6.24 and 2.6.25 kernel with ivtv... but when I start X it looks all messy... Do I need to change something is my xorg config aswell? |
| [19:44:42] | gbee: | if it had been component it wouldn't work anyway, since the nvidia driver ignores modelines for TV-out |
| [19:44:53] | killaz: | gbee: I have a HDTV ... |
| [19:44:58] | killaz: | using DVI... |
| [19:45:01] | beandog: | GlemSom, uh, they should be unrelated |
| [19:45:06] | lanuser: | killaz here's my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/m41fb4449 |
| [19:45:28] | killaz: | I have my resolution on 1920x1080 50Hz |
| [19:45:46] | killaz: | but I cant see the edges |
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| [19:46:05] | GlemSom: | beandog, and osd_compat is no more? |
| [19:46:05] | clever: | overscan! |
| [19:46:34] | gbee: | may be down to the TV – my ATi and Sony tv just works, not need for overscan etc – but then I did use one of the supported HDMI modes listed at the back of the manual (defines refesh and resolution) |
| [19:47:03] | gbee: | killaz: does the TV manual dictate a specific set of supported resolutions and refresh rates? I think most do |
| [19:47:10] | clever: | my nvidia card can shrink the image going out so the overscan cuts off a black border |
| [19:47:39] | clever: | but then i see how badly i need it, sharp brightness changes bend the image to shit |
| [19:48:02] | Dagmar: | Yay for svideo and crappy svideo inputs |
| [19:48:29] | Dagmar: | That's kind of a chronic issue for s-video inputs |
| [19:48:42] | gbee: | overscan, in limited experience with HD and DVI/HDMI out is only relevant for analogue signals – svideo, vga etc |
| [19:48:54] | killaz: | gbee: in the manual I see on the HDMI specs 1080p, 1080i,720p etc |
| [19:48:58] | beandog: | GlemSom, dunno what that is |
| [19:48:59] | gbee: | mostly svideo/composite though |
| [19:49:07] | Dagmar: | You don't generally notice it with "scenes" but when you've got strong bands of color with extreme differentiation... THen it shows large |
| [19:49:17] | killaz: | so the native resolution is 1920x1080 |
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| [19:50:00] | gbee: | killaz: yeah, but then mine is 720p but requires an input of 1360x768 at 60Hz |
| [19:50:10] | gbee: | from HDMI |
| [19:50:32] | GlemSom: | beandog, The weired part is that if I hit enter – to watch livetv... the TV is fine (besides the OSD is a bit off...- I'm using the decoder of the 350)... but when showing mythtv it looks kinda like the resolution or hz is wrong... |
| [19:50:35] | killaz: | gbee: how do you know that? |
| [19:50:51] | gbee: | killaz: the manual says so, there is a table at the back in the appendix |
| [19:51:34] | XLV: | gbee, most 720p panels have native res 1366x768.. when you produce 720p content, you get bars on top/bottom? |
| [19:51:45] | gbee: | no |
| [19:52:43] | lanuser: | killaz, try using VGA if you have a VGA port on the back of the TV |
| [19:52:57] | killaz: | gbee: you're sure you're not using the VGA input on your TV? |
| [19:53:14] | gbee: | errr yes, I'm sure :) |
| [19:53:20] | killaz: | lanuser: but then I can't go to the resoluton of 1920x1080 |
| [19:53:30] | killaz: | the VGA has a max resolution |
| [19:53:37] | killaz: | VGA input |
| [19:53:45] | lanuser: | sure you can, I'm using DVI on the card to a VGA on the TV, I have 1080p working fine |
| [19:53:58] | gbee: | killaz: I'm using HDMI and I know the difference between VGA, DVI and HDMI ;) |
| [19:54:06] | lanuser: | well, at least 1080i, not sure if it's p |
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| [19:54:16] | XLV: | killaz, most cards of the last 4 years support up to 2048x1536@85hz on analog |
| [19:54:24] | gbee: | lanuser: not all TVs support the full resolution via the VGA connection |
| [19:54:32] | killaz: | lanuser: is the TV telling you what the max is of the VGA input? |
| [19:54:36] | lanuser: | my Bravia does ;) |
| [19:54:41] | killaz: | XLV: Im refreing to the VGA input of the TV |
| [19:54:47] | lanuser: | I think so, it communicates back to the card |
| [19:54:48] | beandog: | mm, bravia++ |
| [19:55:05] | killaz: | gbee: exactly |
| [19:55:06] | lanuser: | I know this because if I start KDM with the TV off, it's stuck at like 800x600 |
| [19:55:20] | GlemSom: | beandog, Ohh – just for the record... it was a problem with my xorg... I used this guide instead http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:XDriver Though replacing "ivtvdev" with "ivtv" |
| [19:55:29] | gbee: | lanuser: yeah, my Bravia supports the full res over VGA, but then it's only 720p not 1080 |
| [19:55:36] | beandog: | GlemSom, oh are you using itvtv tv out? |
| [19:55:41] | ** beandog has no idea about that one ** | |
| [19:55:50] | killaz: | ok I just want to use the HDMI input of the TV why would the CGA input work and the HDMI not... |
| [19:55:56] | killaz: | VGA* |
| [19:56:05] | killaz: | without the overscan issue |
| [19:56:27] | killaz: | gbee same with me |
| [19:56:38] | nuonguy: | mythtv still requires dv1394, right? |
| [19:56:47] | nuonguy: | it doesn't yet make use of raw1394, right? |
| [19:56:51] | killaz: | gbee: mine is at 720p 1360x768 max on the VGA |
| [19:57:46] | killaz: | gbee: so if I understand I need to put the resolution higher for 1080p to be able to bypass the overscan |
| [19:57:50] | gbee: | killaz: I mean mine is just a 720 set – accepts 1080 but scales it down to 720 anyway, so I'm feeding it a 720 signal |
| [19:58:29] | gbee: | killaz: really depends on the TV I think, if the manual doesn't list the supported input resolutions then I'd try googling for the answer |
| [19:59:11] | killaz: | gbee: mine can go to 1080p on the HDMI. Then I should put a resolution higher same as they do with the 720p mode.... ok I will google it |
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| [20:01:19] | XLV: | well, 720p isnt 1280x720? and the 1366x768 has ~ same ratio, so the lcd has some upscaler |
| [20:02:12] | Dagmar: | XLV: Note that 720p doesnt' actually have any sort of aspect ratio |
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| [20:02:32] | Dagmar: | You're confusing x-y resolution with vertical resolution specs and they are separate |
| [20:02:44] | Dagmar: | Notably, neither actually has anything to indicate _aspect_ ratio at all |
| [20:02:52] | Dagmar: | Ya can't assume pixels are square |
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| [20:03:23] | Dagmar: | ...and most LCD displays are actually 16:10 instead of 16:9 (for a reason) so there's another reason one has to keep a close eye on aspect ratio as something separate from resolution |
| [20:03:43] | killaz: | Dagmar: yup.. |
| [20:03:57] | directhex: | monitors are 16:10, teevees are 16:9 |
| [20:03:58] | killaz: | the pxiel can be of the ratio 10:9 instead of 1:1 |
| [20:05:14] | killaz: | but still I don't know what resolution to feed to my TV.. hopefully this information is on the net.. otherwise I will have to call the SONY helpdesk :-) |
| [20:05:38] | Dagmar: | Whatever the native resolution of your TV actually (in most cases) |
| [20:05:42] | Dagmar: | How are you connecting to the TV? |
| [20:05:47] | killaz: | HDMI |
| [20:05:51] | Dagmar: | S-Video, DVI, VGA, HDMI? |
| [20:05:55] | killaz: | DVI -> HDMI |
| [20:06:01] | XLV: | the ratio of pixels can only differentiate how a certain lcd will reproduce the content, the content though has x-y res and aspect ratio |
| [20:06:01] | Dagmar: | So does it have a DVI or VGA input on it? |
| [20:06:15] | killaz: | DVI (vcard) -> HDMI (TV) |
| [20:06:23] | Dagmar: | So does it have a DVI or VGA input on it? |
| [20:06:38] | killaz: | Dagmar: what am I saying..... HDMI (TV) |
| [20:06:46] | Dagmar: | So the answer to the question is "no" then. |
| [20:07:00] | killaz: | it has a VGA.... |
| [20:07:10] | Dagmar: | The TV physically does not have a DVI or VGA |
| [20:07:12] | Dagmar: | OKay so it does |
| [20:07:14] | Dagmar: | This is important. |
| [20:07:20] | killaz: | oh.. |
| [20:07:31] | killaz: | now things are getting interesting |
| [20:07:33] | killaz: | why? |
| [20:07:37] | Dagmar: | Connect to the thing over VGA and let the video card and X use the EDID protocol to ask the TV what it's native resolution is |
| [20:07:40] | lanuser: | killaz if its any consilation, I couldn't get DVI to HDMI to work at all on my bravia, so I went to DVI to VGA |
| [20:07:56] | Dagmar: | Mine's like 1366x768, but I just *leave* it connected over VGA |
| [20:08:09] | gbee: | lanuser: really? HDMI to HDMI just worked on my Bravia :/ |
| [20:08:22] | killaz: | Dagmar: ok hold on... the nice thing I have my TV connected both way now with my vcard... |
| [20:08:26] | Dagmar: | ....so I can just set X to that res and use a 1:1 pixel ratio, no problem, and only one rescaling step |
| [20:08:38] | lanuser: | gbee I don't have an HDMI port on my vintage 80's Hi Greg, |
| [20:08:38] | lanuser: | Sorry for taking so long to get back to you. I've been so frustrated with my USB CommandIR Blaster problem that I just had to put it down and forget about it for a while. Just today I received a different blaster (IRBlaster from http://www.IRBlaster.info ) and within 5 minutes of hooking it up I was able to control the U-Verse STB without any issues. So all along and despite as much assistance as I would ever expe |
| [20:08:38] | lanuser: | I was born in Boston, lived in Jersey and Maryland until age six. I mostly grew up in Marshfield WI. I now live in Sheboygan WI with my wife and our two children. I'm the network administrator for our local Earth Tech office (environmental engineering). IPC looks pretty cool, nice and high tech, labs are fun. Sorry if this email is a bit scatter brained, but I just had sinus surgery yesterday and I'm still recov |
| [20:08:43] | lanuser: | Thanks again for the original brilliant work you did to get the correct codes for the STB. Do you use Asterisk at home? I always wanted to run it at home (being familiar with administering PBXs and voicemail systems at work), but don't you need a special phone card to do anything with it? Is it possible to integrate it with a Skype account somehow? |
| [20:08:47] | XLV: | and lcd computer monitors have 16/10 instead of 16/9 so they are able to accomodate larger 4/3 formats.. if they build a 16/9 1280x720 lcd monitor, it would be restricted to 800x600 4/3, but if its 1280x800, it can show 1024x768 |
| [20:08:48] | lanuser: | I'm looking to build a new rig, but wanted to get the IR blaster worked out before I order the parts. |
| [20:08:50] | lanuser: | http://www.perdignus.com/Parts.html |
| [20:08:52] | lanuser: | I'll keep you posted with whatever happens with the CommandIR USB blaster I'm so eager to get working. |
| [20:08:54] | lanuser: | Have a great summer if I don't get back to you before it's over (I think we have two more weeks left of summer in Wisconsin ;) ) |
| [20:08:57] | lanuser: | crap sorry |
| [20:08:58] | Dagmar: | We do not care about your love letters, lanuser. |
| [20:09:02] | lanuser: | sorry |
| [20:09:06] | killaz: | wtf who is flooding the channel |
| [20:10:08] | lanuser: | killaz I did while trying to answer you, again, very sorry, it won't happen again, I just had a labotomy yesterday and am still a bit "off" |
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| [20:11:50] | lanuser: | gbee I don't have an HDMI port on my vintage 80's GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x, and the DVI to HDMI cable didn't work either |
| [20:12:56] | killaz: | Dagmar: the native resolution is 1080x1920 |
| [20:13:50] | killaz: | best fit resoluion: 1920x1080 |
| [20:14:04] | killaz: | I mean 1920x1080 the first time |
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| [20:19:30] | killaz: | I can say this is very frustrating.. |
| [20:19:45] | killaz: | I wil google further thank you anyway |
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| [20:27:51] | killaz: | guys I found it the problem is the NVIDIA card... |
| [20:28:38] | Dagmar: | Yer card is too cheap to do 1920x1080? |
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| [20:33:19] | keith4: | ... just had a lobotomy yesterday? wtf? |
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| [20:38:36] | lanuser: | keith4 sinus surgery, the lobotomy bit was called "a joke" |
| [20:38:36] | killaz: | Dagmar: nope it was a setting on the TV.. |
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| [20:39:26] | killaz: | Dagmar: In the screen setting I should have put Full pixel... |
| [20:39:53] | killaz: | Finally, more control over the picture is given to us in the "Screen" menu. Most notably, this menu lets us tone down the amount of Overscan (zooming to remove the edges of the picture, which are sometimes unused by broadcasters). The best feature of the 40W is that, like the premium X-Series, 1080i and 1080p images can have the overscan completely disabled. Sony calls this option "Full Pixel", which is an odd name, but rest assured th |
| [20:39:54] | killaz: | is is exactly what the option does |
| [20:40:49] | killaz: | I'm very glad this option exist.. now I see the screen exactly as it should be |
| [20:41:23] | Dagmar: | If you were using VGA, it should have been automatic. |
| [20:41:25] | lanuser: | nice find killaz |
| [20:42:24] | killaz: | yeah this is great now I see a movie on full 1920x1080 res |
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| [20:44:34] | Dagmar: | When the TV assumed it's being used as computer monitor, they tend to turn off all overscan-like things |
| [20:44:47] | Dagmar: | ...cuz if your monitor chopped a half inch off the screen, you'd be pissed |
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| [20:46:30] | killaz: | Dagmar: yes I guess so... but thank god they were so smart to give the option to turn overscan off when using the HDMI input |
| [20:50:23] | Dagmar: | I think that's what's called "the engineers rebelled" |
| [20:50:52] | Dagmar: | 'cuz god knows some managerial elephant would have decided that overscan needed to be kept around all teh time just in case somehow an analog signal got involved. |
| [20:51:07] | killaz: | :-D |
| [20:51:32] | killaz: | you're very cynical ... |
| [20:52:08] | killaz: | well... mythtv guys I'm very happy with mythtv what a great app |
| [20:53:45] | AndyCap: | http://www.tvtechnology.com/features/Masked-E . . . .22.04.shtml |
| [20:56:13] | keith4: | Sharp calls it "dot-for-dot", which is also stupid |
| [20:56:54] | keith4: | the options are something like "dot-for-dot, zoom, stretch, s stretch"... "s" stretch being "smart", in theory. but it's a progressive stretch, that gives me a headache and looks stupid |
| [20:57:10] | Dagmar: | killaz: When you've dug into how all this works as much as I have, you start to really revile the levels of legacy bullshit |
| [20:57:53] | Dagmar: | Like, basically, it should be automatic for anything that isn't the composite SD input to *not* have overscan, but yet... just about half the damn TVs out there do overscan on what's almost BOUND to be a digital signal |
| [20:58:23] | Dagmar: | ...and we've had the ability for about the last 20 years to send out a broadcast that didn't need overscan |
| [20:58:55] | Dagmar: | ...but the CRT TVs do overscan because the broadcasts do, and the broadcasts have the overscan border because the CRT TVs do it |
| [21:01:19] | keith4: | it's a vicious cycle |
| [21:02:05] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but honestly we should have at some point said "Well, people with crappy TVs from twenty years ago should expect some image degradation" |
| [21:02:55] | Dagmar: | For them to have brought overscan into the 16:9/digital space, at all, just shows someone in charge was dead from the neck up. |
| [21:04:20] | killaz: | Dagmar: you're right |
| [21:04:43] | Dagmar: | I mean, damn, everything about these TVs is being specced out to the _customers_ in terms of vertical res (exactly) and aspect ratio. |
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| [21:06:33] | killaz: | yup strange thing, but in my case I'm lucky... |
| [21:08:43] | AndyCap: | so what do you expect from the people who came up with 1366x768 displays. |
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| [21:19:27] | Dagmar: | That looks like it was a matter of who they were buying the panels from |
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| [21:31:04] | Lynet: | Why'd they pick that resolution anyway? |
| [21:34:21] | killaz: | is it possible to let mythtv transcode movies too? |
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| [21:39:12] | Lynet: | "movies"? If you mean if it can rip and transcode DVD-video then yes. |
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| [21:48:31] | stu: | am I supposed to be able to use the media library on the backend mythtv box? or is it a front-end function? |
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| [21:50:27] | iamlindoro__: | stu, although the data for the MythVideo stuff is kept in the database, the files themselves must be accessible (ie network or locally mounted) on the frontends. |
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| [21:52:23] | stu: | iamlindoro, ok so i'll install the plugins on the front end and manage it from there right ? |
| [21:52:30] | iamlindoro__: | Yes. |
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| [21:56:04] | stu: | ta |
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| [22:07:32] | odiv: | Can mythTV downsample on the fly so that I can watch DVD quality video over 802.11g reliably on say an Eee? |
| [22:07:46] | iamlindoro__: | No. |
| [22:08:04] | odiv: | (what was originally DVD quality video, obviously, it wouldn't be after the downsampling) |
| [22:08:12] | odiv: | That's too bad. |
| [22:08:30] | odiv: | So I'd have to keep two versions around, I guess. |
| [22:08:31] | GreyFoxx: | playback occurs stricting on the frontend |
| [22:08:51] | GreyFoxx: | the backend just feeds the content with no real knowledge of what's in the file |
| [22:09:00] | odiv: | gotcha, thanks. |
| [22:10:35] | odiv: | Hm. I think I could set up VLC on a wired frontend to stream to the Eee. |
| [22:10:50] | odiv: | I just don't know if it would be worth the hassle. |
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| [22:14:38] | famicom: | why the hell is /usr/bin/tv_grab_nl_wolf not showing up in my grabber listing |
| [22:14:41] | famicom: | how do i make that work |
| [22:14:49] | famicom: | is there any way to manually add it |
| [22:15:20] | GreyFoxx: | odiv: What kind of content? I don't see why your EEE shouldn't be able to play any SDTV content. IT's just the 11g that's the crapshoot |
| [22:15:31] | GreyFoxx: | some have no problem, and others have plenty of problems |
| [22:15:53] | GreyFoxx: | I can play sdtv content over my wireless with no problems |
| [22:16:46] | odiv: | If I try to stream DVD images over 802.11g (to whatever, I don't actually have an Eee yet) I get stutter. This was just with file sharing in windows though. I'm anticipating the same sort of problems with mythTV (especially since there are now 4 people in my house). |
| [22:17:17] | Dagmar: | So, why tell us about it? |
| [22:17:29] | Dagmar: | Wireless links are not guarantteed latency or throughput. |
| [22:17:32] | odiv: | ? |
| [22:17:36] | odiv: | Because he asked? |
| [22:17:41] | GreyFoxx: | odiv: I've played DVD ISO's over wireless. But I'm not competing with others for the wireless signal |
| [22:18:16] | Dagmar: | It should be a no-brainer that wireless links are going to be problematic for this. |
| [22:24:11] | odiv: | Which was why I was hoping to downsample. But MythTV doesn't work that way, so that's good to know. |
| [22:25:08] | jblack: | odiv: You can automatically transcode shows and watch them happen after that. |
| [22:26:29] | odiv: | I'll look into it, thanks. |
| [22:26:50] | odiv: | Right after I set up my MythBox, my roommate's TV bites the dust. :( |
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| [23:01:55] | stu: | hello... when watching TV (live or recorded) its very stuttery (if thats a word) – however watching a HD mkv file or DVD ISO from a file share on the same server is ok so I dont think its network performance.... is there anything I could check out ? |
| [23:02:33] | odiv: | Do you have a frontend on the same machine as your backend? |
| [23:02:44] | stu: | I do... and it runs fine there |
| [23:02:44] | odiv: | Does TV stutter from there? |
| [23:03:12] | stu: | looks better from the front-end on the back-end and doesnt stutter |
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| [23:04:11] | odiv: | do you run the DVD ISO through myth as well? |
| [23:04:19] | stu: | nope... samba share |
| [23:04:26] | odiv: | Try running it through myth. |
| [23:04:41] | odiv: | You can add it in MythVideo and watch it through there, right? |
| [23:04:46] | stu: | no idea how to do that... do I mount the iso and then add it as a dvd device? |
| [23:05:23] | stu: | I thought MythVideo was a front-end only thing |
| [23:05:26] | Ribs: | stu, I found that playback stuttered a lot on all my computers if I have opengl syncing turned on |
| [23:05:46] | stu: | Ribs, thats not turned on (you mean from the general config inside Myth right?) |
| [23:05:52] | Ribs: | yeah |
| [23:05:56] | Ribs: | I think it's in playback |
| [23:06:02] | stu: | yeah thats not on |
| [23:06:19] | Ribs: | tried running the 'slim' graphics profile? |
| [23:06:22] | stu: | odiv, not sure I know how to play a video "through" the back-end ? |
| [23:06:46] | odiv: | whoops, gotta go. |
| [23:07:02] | stu: | Ribs, the front-end is a core 2 duo with ATI HD gfx |
| [23:07:02] | odiv: | I don't know if it would make a difference, honestly, stu. Just thought it would be something to try to give you more info. |
| [23:07:22] | GreyFoxx: | currently only recordings playback involve the backend |
| [23:07:29] | stu: | I reckon its something to do with mpeg2 (I beleive thats what it streams in?) |
| [23:07:32] | GreyFoxx: | non recordings, dvds etc are all local frontend functions and do not touch the backend |
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| [23:07:42] | stu: | yeah thats what I thought |
| [23:07:58] | GreyFoxx: | stu: As for your stuttering, try turnning on the option to "Always stream from backend" on the first page of the playback settings |
| [23:08:04] | GreyFoxx: | same page as the opengl sync option |
| [23:08:10] | stu: | GreyFoxx, on the front-end ? |
| [23:08:14] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [23:08:15] | stu: | k |
| [23:08:23] | GreyFoxx: | so that the frontend doesn't try accessing it like a local file |
| [23:08:37] | GreyFoxx: | some people find it better than accessing via a standard network mount |
| [23:08:53] | GreyFoxx: | it makes seeking much "faster" for me |
| [23:09:38] | GreyFoxx: | the ability to play videos in mythvideo via the backend is likely going to exist in 0.22 or maybe 0.23, but not yet :) |
| [23:10:07] | stu: | GreyFoxx, this is live TV that I am having issues with |
| [23:10:17] | stu: | I tried that setting.. no difference |
| [23:10:27] | GreyFoxx: | Ahhh LiveTV is another matter |
| [23:10:43] | stu: | on my front-end I have the mythvideo setup to access files from the back-end server through a network share and thats fine |
| [23:10:49] | GreyFoxx: | the optionm I mentioned does help, but livetv has extra issues |
| [23:10:53] | stu: | HD material etc |
| [23:10:55] | Ribs: | run the frontend from a terminal window? |
| [23:10:56] | GreyFoxx: | some users end up with buffer starvation |
| [23:11:20] | stu: | Ribs, what do you mean by from a terminal window? remote X session ? |
| [23:11:22] | GreyFoxx: | and there is no cure or fix other than to try hitting pause for a few second and start again |
| [23:11:30] | Ribs: | stu, no, like using gnome-terminal or whatever |
| [23:11:34] | GreyFoxx: | err pause and unpause I mean |
| [23:11:41] | Ribs: | and seeing what errors are thrown up |
| [23:11:44] | stu: | watch it over VNC? |
| [23:11:58] | Ribs: | what? no! |
| [23:12:01] | Ribs: | are you insane? |
| [23:12:10] | GreyFoxx: | the problem with the biffer starvation problem is that none of the devs really use livetv, and when trying just to fix that problem can reproduce it |
| [23:12:12] | stu: | didnt think you meant that lol |
| [23:12:16] | Ribs: | just, like, fire up xterm or whatever on the frontend, and then type in "mythfrontend" |
| [23:12:19] | Ribs: | it's not that hard :P |
| [23:12:42] | stu: | oic to see errors.. ok gotcha |
| [23:12:51] | ** Ribs slaps forehead ** | |
| [23:14:07] | stu: | 2008-06–06 00:13:39.940 VideoOutputXv Error: Could not find suitable XVideo surface. |
| [23:14:07] | stu: | 2008-06–06 00:13:39.940 VideoOutputXv: Falling back to X11 video output over a network socket. |
| [23:14:18] | stu: | (could be very slow) |
| [23:14:21] | Ribs: | ta da! |
| [23:14:21] | szakulec_: | if you import a video file into video manager, and use the IMDB script to fill in the details, can you then use mytharchive to burn it to a proper DVD? |
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| [23:15:22] | GreyFoxx: | stu: That would definately be a problem :) |
| [23:15:27] | stu: | ta googling now to try figure what that means |
| [23:16:44] | stu: | xvinfo tells me no adaptors present |
| [23:17:02] | GreyFoxx: | What kind of video card? Sounds like you might need to use a different driver |
| [23:17:07] | stu: | ATI |
| [23:17:12] | stu: | using restricted drivers |
| [23:17:19] | stu: | compiz-fusion works though.... ? |
| [23:17:46] | GreyFoxx: | I've avoided ATI for years so I'm not up on their state, many people have problems with them |
| [23:17:53] | GreyFoxx: | but more and more are having success these days |
| [23:18:03] | GreyFoxx: | hopefully one will come along who can help :) |
| [23:18:21] | dustybin: | why dont ATI make their own drivers open source |
| [23:18:24] | dustybin: | same with nvidia |
| [23:18:41] | szakulec_: | ATI can't make their proprietary drivers open source |
| [23:18:42] | iamlindoro: | Because of commitments signed to patent and trademark holders |
| [23:18:45] | stu: | ive found two posts that say I need to change a file and add Option "VideoOverlay" "on" |
| [23:18:55] | dustybin: | ok |
| [23:18:58] | stu: | but neither say which file – you guys know ? |
| [23:19:03] | GreyFoxx: | dusty: They've basically given out specs and the open drivers are improving |
| [23:19:05] | iamlindoro: | xorg.conf |
| [23:19:09] | szakulec_: | anyway, even if they could, they're not cleanly written, and it's better to have nicely written and maintainable drivers |
| [23:19:10] | stu: | ta |
| [23:19:26] | GreyFoxx: | That CoreAVC patch for myth doesn't look to intrusive |
| [23:19:27] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: will the open-source ATI drivers one day support xv |
| [23:19:43] | GreyFoxx: | dusty: as far as I know they do |
| [23:19:45] | szakulec_: | I'd say so- the earlier models already do I believe |
| [23:19:57] | dustybin: | aye ok |
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| [23:20:16] | ** GreyFoxx ponders spending the $15 on the coreavc stuff just to fool around with it ** | |
| [23:20:43] | stu: | iamlindoro, do I need to reboot or will a logout reload xorg.conf ? |
| [23:20:51] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: some people spend a lot more than that in the pub every evening, go for it |
| [23:20:53] | stu: | or I could ctrl+alt_backspace ? |
| [23:20:54] | Kyler: | ventz: Did you already solve your ffmpeg need? (I had to run off to retrieve a new dog.) |
| [23:20:59] | szakulec_: | GreyFoxx: if you need a super-fast HD decoder that should handle any kind of HD (including all interlaced stuff), then get it |
| [23:21:01] | clever: | ctrl+alt+backspace is one of many ways |
| [23:21:07] | stu: | k ill do that |
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| [23:21:20] | GreyFoxx: | sz: I don't need it really. My box playes everything perfectly with plenty of cpu left |
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| [23:21:32] | szakulec_: | well then, no point in spending money on it |
| [23:21:34] | GreyFoxx: | but I know some users want it as an option, and I'm curious to try it out |
| [23:21:49] | GreyFoxx: | Maybe incorporate the patch into myth proper |
| [23:22:26] | szakulec_: | that's a good idea, but an idea that would help many more would be to get a fairly recent SVN build of FFmpeg into some repo |
| [23:22:29] | dustybin: | to test out if my myth box can handle HD, could i download this in HD : |
| [23:22:32] | dustybin: | http://orange.blender.org/download |
| [23:22:38] | szakulec_: | yes |
| [23:22:38] | iamlindoro: | szakulec_: Any kind of HD is a vaaaaaaaaaast oversimplification |
| [23:22:41] | dustybin: | would that be a good HD test? |
| [23:22:51] | szakulec_: | that or the new one |
| [23:22:55] | iamlindoro: | Since it will only accelerate h.264 material |
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| [23:23:01] | GreyFoxx: | sza: I think an ffmpeg resync is not that far away |
| [23:23:12] | GreyFoxx: | and some would still want the CoreAVC as an ioption |
| [23:23:21] | dustybin: | 1920 HD AVI, MPEG4 / AC3 5.1 Surround |
| [23:23:27] | GreyFoxx: | so you can pick Standard, libmpeg, coreavc, ivtv decoder, via chrome, etc |
| [23:23:34] | szakulec_: | go to http://media.xiph.org |
| [23:23:44] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: So have you broken down and installed XP to try out your hd-pvr yet? ;) |
| [23:23:56] | iamlindoro: | Tanthrix: No, I am patient like the spider :) |
| [23:24:02] | szakulec_: | they have the raw images if you feel like making your own HD version, and the materials from orange & peach |
| [23:24:06] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: I'd probably last about 2 minutes myself. |
| [23:24:20] | iamlindoro: | Tanthrix: FWIW it look real purty :) |
| [23:24:22] | iamlindoro: | looks |
| [23:24:43] | szakulec_: | anyone seen the Popcorn Hour device? |
| [23:24:44] | Tanthrix: | hehe |
| [23:25:17] | GreyFoxx: | Well I now know why users will mkv's with subtitles get stuttering |
| [23:25:23] | dustybin: | http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/ |
| [23:25:27] | GreyFoxx: | but need to find the time to fix it |
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| [23:26:14] | dustybin: | The Popcorn Hour A-100 supports the latest high bitrate video formats (MPEG2 MP@HL, H.264 HP@L4.1, VC-1 AP@L3 in TS of at least 40Mbps) to give you up to 1080p high-definition videos. |
| [23:26:30] | GreyFoxx: | I'm highly tempted to get a popcorn hour for my father |
| [23:26:32] | ** dustybin wonders if you can install mythfrontend on it :P ** | |
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| [23:27:04] | GreyFoxx: | his dsm 320 hasn't had a updaste in a long time |
| [23:27:06] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: Without drivers for the hardware accelerators in it, the benefits would be lost |
| [23:27:27] | iamlindoro: | Sage or BeyondTV have a frontend for it, can't recall which, though |
| [23:27:38] | hti_pro: | what do you guys think of a "dummy backend", basically a backend with no capture cards to basically take a load of of real backends as far as comm flagging and transcoding go |
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| [23:27:52] | GreyFoxx: | hti_: many do that |
| [23:27:54] | iamlindoro: | hti_pro: It's fairly common for the slave backends to do that |
| [23:27:55] | GreyFoxx: | including myself |
| [23:28:05] | GreyFoxx: | I have a backend running on my beefiest frontend now |
| [23:28:11] | stu: | that didn't go too well |
| [23:28:29] | stu: | booted me into low video mode, got like 1fps watching tv |
| [23:29:04] | iamlindoro: | stu: One would normally check the xorg logs to see *why* that had happened... I would wager it was because you put the option in the wrong section |
| [23:29:18] | iamlindoro: | So much for bulletproof X! |
| [23:29:26] | stu: | under the devices section ? |
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| [23:30:05] | Ra^: | I asked before and some people were running Myth on GX260/270/280's. Anyone running on that around? |
| [23:30:32] | hti_pro: | i have an old poweredge server, that won't support my capture hardware but has much unused cpu. I have set it up as a slave backend with no capture cards, set the job limit to like 20 and set it to accept jobs at all times, but my slave backend that is 80% loaded at the time always picks up the jobs |
| [23:30:33] | iamlindoro: | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lin . . . 9/comments/5 |
| [23:30:34] | Ra^: | I haven't set mine up, yet, but was wondering what I should watch out for |
| [23:30:37] | iamlindoro: | stu: ^^^ |
| [23:30:49] | iamlindoro: | check that post, and make sure you have all of that in the correct section of your xorg.conf |
| [23:31:19] | stu: | coll ill try thanks |
| [23:31:22] | iamlindoro: | stu: *only* change/add the lines with Option |
| [23:31:54] | stu: | the videooverlay option is where I put it last time |
| [23:31:55] | iamlindoro: | The ones like "Identifier "aticonfig-Device[0]"" and "BoardName "ati"" vary from system to system |
| [23:32:02] | stu: | ill try with the additional lines |
| [23:32:19] | iamlindoro: | again, *only* add or change lines that start with Option, leave everything else as it is |
| [23:32:52] | stu: | yup, done... gonna try |
| [23:32:59] | hti_pro: | any idea why my "dummy" backend won't take jobs |
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| [23:33:42] | iamlindoro: | hti_pro: There is a tickbox that says jobs can only be done on the backend that did the recording, you ought to make sure that is off |
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| [23:34:43] | Ra^: | is there a limit to how many dummy backend you can have? |
| [23:34:57] | iamlindoro: | You also ought to have run mythtv-setup on the slave backend and in General Settings make sure you have "allow commerical detection jobs" and "allow transcoding jobs" as appropriate checked |
| [23:35:02] | iamlindoro: | not dummy, slave |
| [23:35:04] | iamlindoro: | and no |
| [23:35:09] | Ra^: | k |
| [23:35:13] | hti_pro: | iamlindoro: i am positive that it is off, all jobs get passed off to my full slave backend, that is usually recording and cpu is generally about 80%, as opposed to the "dummy" slave backend whose CPU is sitting at about 1% |
| [23:35:26] | iamlindoro: | stop saying dummy |
| [23:35:31] | iamlindoro: | just say "slave backend" |
| [23:35:40] | stu: | iamlindoro, seems to have fixed the stutter issue – but now I have two pictures – the same thing is repeated twice on the screen horizontaly |
| [23:35:52] | iamlindoro: | stu: god forbid you should check google, eh? |
| [23:35:59] | hti_pro: | alright sorry "slave backend w/no capture cards" |
| [23:36:02] | iamlindoro: | something like "mythtv ati double video?" |
| [23:36:13] | GreyFoxx: | Is that the bob2x problem ? |
| [23:36:19] | iamlindoro: | stu: because then the third or fourth result will tell you to change your deinterlacer |
| [23:36:20] | stu: | dont even know how to describe that in a way google will understand lol |
| [23:36:26] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: yep |
| [23:36:33] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, change the deinterlacer |
| [23:36:41] | stu: | ok change deinterlaces I can google for |
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| [23:38:01] | hti_pro: | if I have 6 comm flag jobs and slave backend 'a' is running 1 comm flag jobs, shouldn't slave backend 'b' pickup one of those jobs in parallel |
| [23:38:43] | hti_pro: | or more as it is set to run 20 at a time |
| [23:38:49] | iamlindoro: | no, it won't pass off jobs |
| [23:38:59] | iamlindoro: | if they're queued, they're going to that backend come hell or high water |
| [23:39:25] | Ra^: | what about splitting it up by using distributed computing? Too much configuring and overhead? |
| [23:39:40] | hti_pro: | so it doesn't distribute jobs, it just picks a backend and sends all jobs to it |
| [23:39:41] | iamlindoro: | Ra^: Once you implement that feature, let us know ;) |
| [23:39:45] | Ra^: | lol |
| [23:39:51] | Ra^: | just a thought |
| [23:40:10] | GreyFoxx: | I've never looked at the code for it, but I'm sure they get spread around |
| [23:40:25] | iamlindoro: | Once mythtranscode understands h.264, there's a vague chance someone could hack in support for x264farm, I suppose |
| [23:40:41] | iamlindoro: | s/understands/handles better/ |
| [23:40:41] | GreyFoxx: | if I queue up 3 or 4 all backends start them |
| [23:40:58] | Ra^: | I've been bringing home "old" systems from work and been toying with the idea, that's why I asked |
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| [23:42:39] | iamlindoro: | hti_pro: It doesn't just pick one backend, it should allot them intelligently-- I am just saying *once* they're queud on a particular backend, they stay there |
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| [23:43:45] | iamlindoro: | hti_pro: Whatever is preventing your secondary slave backend from taking jobs is, with 99% certainty, one of the options in General Settings in mythtv-setup on the backend which is not taking jobs. You should page through and read ll options very carefully on that backend. |
| [23:44:14] | hti_pro: | GreyFoxx: i have three backends, 1 master backend/frontend w/ capture card, 1 slave backend/frontend w/ capture card set to take on 1 job at a time, and 1 slave backend with no cards set to take on up to 20 jobs at a time. My intention is to send most comm flag/transcoding jobs to the slave backend w/ no cards. I queue up about 5 jobs, the first gets passed off to the slave backend with capture card, and the rest just wait for |
| [23:44:18] | iamlindoro: | With particular attention to pages 7–9 |
| [23:44:37] | hti_pro: | ok |
| [23:45:11] | stu: | which deinterlacer gives the best quality on a high res monitor? CPU usage not an issue |
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| [23:45:42] | stu: | refresh rate is 60hz |
| [23:46:18] | iamlindoro: | stu: It's very very subjective |
| [23:46:27] | iamlindoro: | Greedy is nice, yadif is nice |
| [23:46:57] | iamlindoro: | don't choose the 2x-es because you don't have the refresh rate for it |
| [23:47:01] | iamlindoro: | Just the regulars |
| [23:47:06] | hti_pro: | while im in here, what is the master backend override feature in the file management settings |
| [23:47:08] | stu: | ok ta |
| [23:47:17] | hti_pro: | what exactly does it stream and delete |
| [23:48:18] | hti_pro: | i thought it would stream and delete video from slaves and store them on the master, but after my flaming in this room 2 days ago i think i was wrong |
| [23:49:26] | iamlindoro: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/262590 |
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| [23:51:54] | darkfrog: | I was using Mythbuntu fine, but wanted to switch to Gnome and now when I boot up I just get a black screen with the mouse cursor...how do I switch back to Xfce? |
| [23:52:13] | iamlindoro: | Do everything you did to cause the problem, only backwards |
| [23:52:59] | darkfrog: | hehe |
| [23:54:14] | stu: | the skip commercials setting – does that take effect during the recording of a program of the playback ? |
| [23:54:35] | iamlindoro: | playback |
| [23:54:57] | iamlindoro: | all it does is skip them on playback, they're still recorded |
| [23:55:27] | stu: | thought as much... its currently set to "notify" am I wrong in thinking it should be notifying me using the OSD? |
| [23:55:46] | stu: | cos I aint getting notified |
| [23:56:24] | hti_pro: | if you transcode after commercial flagging is complete will it remove the commercials |
| [23:57:08] | iamlindoro: | hti_pro: Not until you load the commercial flags as a cutlist |
| [23:57:34] | iamlindoro: | darkfrog: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Ubun . . . sg00090.html |
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