Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, June 4th, 2008, 00:02 UTC

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Esotericisms:

I have several iso files that get played back using the Internal player cause they are recognized as dvds

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Esotericisms:

but I don't get any audio from them

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Esotericisms:

however any file played with mplayer or any recording played with the front end I always have sound

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Esotericisms:

any ideas?

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Dagmar:

They probably contain audio in a format you don't have support for.

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Esotericisms:

Dagmar: I never had a problem before, but I had to rebuild my system, any way I can find out?

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Dagmar:

Use something like mencoder to tell you what audio is in there.

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Esotericisms:

alright

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Esotericisms:

I actually ran mythfrontend so I could see the logs

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Esotericisms:

it says something about not being able to set alsa parameters

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Esotericisms:

Dagmar: http://pastebin.ca/1038294

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Dagmar:

So fix your ALSA configuration

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WattoDaToydarian:

Hey guys I need an IR receiver. Can any recommend a good one for use with LIRC/MythTV? Preferably USB.

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iamlindoro:

The Windows MCE Remote and receiver

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Lynet:

Kinda weird that a Windows product is the recommended one. ;-)

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WattoDaToydarian:

Is that IR? I already have a remote and config files setup I'm actually replacing a dead one.

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iamlindoro:

Yes, it's IR

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|Torg|:

iamlindoro you got to be kidding you can make one for about $5

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iamlindoro:

|Torg|: yeah? Make me a USB receiver for $5, |Torg|

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iamlindoro:

And the remote.

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iamlindoro:

You've got 90 minutes.

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|Torg|:

I have several I have made

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|Torg|:

not the remote, he only asked for a reciever

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WattoDaToydarian:

I was looking into making one but I don't think I have the parts.

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|Torg|:

hell plans are all over, even on teh lirc site

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iamlindoro:

|Torg|: I want to see the pictures and step you followed to make a USB receiver for $5

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|Torg|:

tsop ir revier, a cap, voltige regualtor, resistor, diode

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|Torg|:

I dont have pictures but I can find you similar places that have them

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iamlindoro:

|Torg|: Oh yeah? And how'd you rig *that* up to USB?

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iamlindoro:

Answer: You didn't.

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|Torg|:

I did mine to 9 pin serial

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iamlindoro:

Exactly.

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|Torg|:

adding USB wouldnt be that difficult

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iamlindoro:

WattoDaToydarian: Anyway, silliness aside, the MCEUSB is easily the most popular USB receiver

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WattoDaToydarian:

I guess a USB-Serial adapter could be used

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kormoc:

WattoDaToydarian, not always

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WattoDaToydarian:

<iamlindoro> Thanks a ton! I think I will pick one up from newegg

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iamlindoro:

WattoDaToydarian: No problem, it's well supported and works well out of the box in most distros (also includes an IR blaster if you need that)

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Rabbitbunny:

Hey guys. I'm looking do do a bit of video work, But it involves a video link via standard PC outputs, into another PC for processing, as close to realtime as possible. I've just realized DVI inputs don't exist. I assume you guys know a good bit about getting high resolution into a box so a came for a hint, Care to advise?

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WattoDaToydarian:

<iamlindoro> Do you think this "Anyware" brand will work? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880121001

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iamlindoro:

Rabbitbunny: If you *must* capture from DVI then your only option will be the BlackMagic Intensity Pro on Windows (no linux drivers or Myth Support exist WHATSOEVER for this card) or doing some sort of conversion from DVI to component and waiting a few days for support for the Hauppauge HD-PVR capture device to materialize

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Rabbitbunny:

iamlindoro: I'm not limited to DVI, I'm also not up to speed on PC graphics, I'll need to 'see' a Windows desktop on a linux box. Yes I have heard of RDP/VNC/Synergy.

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iamlindoro:

WattoDaToydarian: I'm not familiar with that particular one, this will work properly, though: http://registration.hauppauge.com/webstore/ha . . . t=mce_remote

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iamlindoro:

Rabbitbunny: If you must do the capture on a linux box, then your only option for High Def video capture has only just been released this last week, and linux drivers are still in progress. You will also need to figure out how to get your output into component format.

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iamlindoro:

ie, as of this *exact* moment, there is no way to do it in linux in the way you are asking-- why not find some tool that records the desktop to some sort of transport stream format, and open the stream over the network on the other end?

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Rabbitbunny:

iamlindoro: It seems DVI -> component is an easy transition, however, Wouldn't that limit me to 640x480?

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iamlindoro:

That's not to say that *that's* explicitly possible either, just that it's a lot more likely

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iamlindoro:

Rabbitbunny: Why would you think that? Component can carry up to 1080p

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Rabbitbunny:

iamlindoro: One of the project goals is to have no custom software on the windows box.

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iamlindoro:

You are thinking of composite, which is SD only... component is yPbPr, three cables.

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Rabbitbunny:

iamlindoro: Oh. Then that sounds like a perfect fit.

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Dagmar:

Since when was a digital to analog conversion an easy transition

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar is right, it is unlikely to be as simple as you think

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Rabbitbunny:

Google shows me links to buy a convertor?

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iamlindoro:

And as I mentioned, the device for capturing the component outs was just released this last week, there is a long backorder list, and there are no publicly available linux drivers as yet

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Rabbitbunny:

'yet' is not a problem, We still have to write our OCR modules, we can do that by playing videos.

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Dagmar:

"These cables are not compatible with PC or Mac video card outputs unless specifically stated in your video card. They also do not support Y, Cr, Cb signals."

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iamlindoro:

Rabbitbunny: Most of the "simple" conversions you are probably looking at require that your specific graphics card be able to do most of the work, which is not even close to all cads do

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iamlindoro:

cards

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Rabbitbunny:

Ah.

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iamlindoro:

Also, it will be capturing in real time h.264 so the capturing end will need real horsepower to play back and edit them.

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: I *almost* screwed up in my upgrade planning when I decided to use the desktop motherboard in the fileserver

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: How so?

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Dagmar:

Thankfully a GigE PCI-E card is like $20

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iamlindoro:

ahh

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iamlindoro:

heh

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Dagmar:

I just plain forgot the requirement of GigE in the fileserver

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iamlindoro:

yar

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Dagmar:

I'll wait to get that until I've obtained a gig switch

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iamlindoro:

My work is moving in a few months and there's a pretty nice 48 port procurve switch that may get replaced... may see if I can bring that home :)

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iamlindoro:

Not that I have *remotely* close to 48 devices at home, but still, cool!

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Dagmar:

Thankfully small gig switches are about $35

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, if you can get a second one, I'd buy it cheap... I'm in love with procurve :P

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: I don't have *tons* of experience with it, mostly "set it and forget it," but I've been really happy with it

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iamlindoro:

Most of my prior experience has been Cisco, which I also like, but $$$

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Lynet:

Small GigE switches reached generic consumer prices quite a while ago, praise Moore.

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iamlindoro:

w/r/t switches, you definitely get what you pay for

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iamlindoro:

Each segment may be GigE, but if the backplane is only a few Gbps, your network asplode

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iamlindoro:

And I suppose VLAN support which I never ever use, so not an issue for me

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Lynet:

iamlindoro: True. Not to mention no management, vlan, etc.. But who needs most of that on a home network?

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iamlindoro:

exactly, not me!

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Dagmar:

I doubt that I'll be killing even the cheapest 8 port gige switch with only four devices

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, I'm a huge vlan fan :P

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, and LACP would be really handy

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: no doubt it's useful for many, have just never found a good excuse to use it at home personally :)

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Lynet:

Rabbitbunny: OCR modules, high-res capture from PC, close to real-time. *scratch head*.. What are you making?

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, dmz vlan, lan vlan, inet vlan :P

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: I guess my needs are just simple here :)

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iamlindoro:

Lynet: He's Close-Captioning porn for the blind

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iamlindoro:

and sending transcripts of the filthiness back to the Republican National Committee

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Lynet:

iamlindoro: Sounds like a Simpsons episode.

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purserj:

I was thinking more Family Guy

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Rabbitbunny:

Hmm, the docs on that hauppage card keep talking about pvr, I don't especially care to record, best case I only need to see it once.

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Rabbitbunny:

And yes, Adding closed captions.

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iamlindoro:

Rabbitbunny: Minimally you are going to need to buffer it into a file and edit it a few moments behind, at least w/ MythTV... as the driver isn't complete, there's no telling how or whether it will work with other linux TV programs

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will00:

would getting an analog to digital converter box allow me to watch analog cable tv on a digital only tv tuner card?

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iamlindoro:

will00: Am not aware of any converter boxes that work in that direction, the common converters work in the other direction

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iamlindoro:

Can you provide a link to what you mean?

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Rabbitbunny:

iamlindoro: A few moments behind won't do. I'll have to write my capture software, of course if there's a driver available that's much easier.

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will00:

iamlindoro, youre right, the piece of hardware i was thinking of does the opposite

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Rabbitbunny:

iamlindoro: But I see ~50 ATI cards that will give me component out, one that will give me component in, and just a little time for a driver. That sounds like checkmark in the 'feasable' category.

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iamlindoro:

Rabbitbunny: show me this ATI card that says it takes component in

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Dagmar:

You don't want ATI.

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Dagmar:

You're using Linux.

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Rabbitbunny:

iamlindoro: the ATI cards do component out, you showed me the one that does in.

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Rabbitbunny:

Dagmar: ATI on Windows.

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: I *think* he's talking about using the ATI on the windows side, but not sure

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Dagmar:

If he's talking about the Windows side of whatever, what does that mean to us?

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: Oh no doubt, we are profoundly offtopic... as usual :)

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Rabbitbunny:

Realistically, Nothing.

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Dagmar:

That's a bit like asking how to teach a burning man to read.

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iamlindoro:

Rabbitbunny: if you are writing your own capture software and can afford to wait for the driver to be complete, then yes, it's a "feasible."

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iamlindoro:

There *will* be moments of delay inherent in the hardware compression of the device itself-- up to a second or two, I would think.

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Rabbitbunny:

iamlindoro: Great, Thanks for the help.

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Rabbitbunny:

iamlindoro: Nah, I'll find a way to drop that latency.

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iamlindoro:

Rabbitbunny: That is going to be *within* the hardware of the HD-PVr

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iamlindoro:

It will be unavoidable.

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Rabbitbunny:

iamlindoro: I know voodoo.

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iamlindoro:

*eyeroll*

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iamlindoro:

Now I'm going to stop listening

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Rabbitbunny:

heh, Thanks, Have fun guys.

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iamlindoro:

I was really okay with him until that last retarded comment

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kormoc:

if he knows voodoo, why's he in here?

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iamlindoro:

"I'm going to upend the laws of physics, and overclock the hardware compressor in the HD-PVR! I have l33t skillz!"

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Lynet:

Then again it might work. I know from persnal experience that certain scsi stuff requires some blood-letting to get it working right.

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Lynet:

Oh, and a rubber duck.

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iamlindoro:

Anything that has a "terminator" has to be good!

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iamlindoro:

like... BNC networking!

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iamlindoro:

and SCSI!

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|Torg|:

hell I think I may even have some old voodoo cards somewhere

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MrMunkily:

I've got an eggbeater with a hand crank

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kormoc:

I have a rubber chicken with a pulley in the middle

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iamlindoro:

How appropriate, you fight like a cow

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** iamlindoro presumes kormoc gets the reference and isn't offended :) **

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kormoc:

Look behind you, a Three-Headed Monkey!

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iamlindoro:

Ah, he does :)

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iamlindoro:

Ask me about LOOM!

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

Now I want to play them again

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iamlindoro:

Thank god for ScummVM

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kormoc:

I played them to death on my palm, but it's been years

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kormoc:

I wonder if the iPhone can run them

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iamlindoro:

I check in on their progress with Grim Fandango from time to time, but they never seem to have gotten much further

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iamlindoro:

They keep adding great non-Scumm oldies, though, like Kyrandia, etc.

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Lynet:

kormoc: Once His Jobsness deigns to come down from the mountain with a sanctioned SDK, I suppose.

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kormoc:

Lynet, isn't it out already?

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Lynet:

kormoc: Oh, yeah. Well, erm.. Once he comes down from the mountain with the iphone 2.0 software update so that people other than devs can run said software.

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kormoc:

hheh

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PaulWay:

Hi all!

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PaulWay:

Any word on an updated kernel module and/or firmware for the DViCO Fusion Digital 4 revision 2 card?

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PaulWay:

I know Chris Pascoe at UQ has been working on them in the past, but haven't seen or heard anything from him for six months or so.

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kormoc:

perhaps you scared him away?

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PaulWay:

But I only sent him one nice email :-)

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kormoc:

and the rest were not so nice? :P

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PaulWay:

Heh – no, just the one.

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wagner:

the third one started offering sexual favors

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PaulWay:

wagner: well, I'd pay good money to get it working.

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PaulWay:

What he spends it on is his own account.

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hadees:

does anyone know how to get a firewire tuning script, ie sa3250ch to tune 2 different boxes, i download something from the mailing list called sa3250ch-BR which was supposed to do this but it only tunes one of my boxes

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kdub:

yeah i dont think you need those special scripts anymore

[03:49:03]

kdub:

myth can handle it all by itself

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kormoc:

hadees, might want to read up on the wiki

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kdub:

i have that box but i have only used it with 1

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hadees:

I know mythtv can handle it internally for firewire capture but i want to do svideo

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kdub:

if you want to do that then just use an ir blaster

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hadees:

kdub, well first i don't have an ir blaster and second what is wrong with using firewire to tune the boxes if it supports it

[03:52:09]

kormoc:

hadees, did you set the correct node number for your second box?

[03:52:29]

kormoc:

and the correct controller number?

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hadees:

kormoc, for the -BR script?

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kormoc:

yes

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hadees:

i set the right node, whats the controller number?

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kormoc:

the number of the controller the node is on

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kormoc:

it's all covered in the usage for the program

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hadees:

kormoc, oh you mean the port, i thought since i only have one firewire card i didn't have to set that

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kormoc:

depends on the card, you might have to

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hadees:

the script works it just always changes the same box

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hadees:

it never changes node 1 always 0

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kormoc:

run in verbrose mode and see what it thinks it's doing?

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hadees:

kormoc, i have there are no errors

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kormoc:

does it say it's changing node 1?

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hadees:

kormoc, http://pastie.org/208420 it looks like it is

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hadees:

but it does print out both of them when i put in 1 unlike when i just do 0

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kormoc:

if you unplug node 0, does node 1 work?

[04:00:31]

hadees:

kormoc, when i unplug node 0 the box on node 1 goes to 0

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hadees:

and it works

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kormoc:

seems like the program is just broken then

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hadees:

when i plug the other box back in it works

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hadees:

i mean it goes back to changing only that box

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hadees:

kormoc, i'm looking through the code and i don't even see it using the node at all, it does use the port

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kormoc:

that would say it's just broke then

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hadees:

kormoc, yeah i guess it never worked

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RyeBrye:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811235008 Anyone know of this case being used for MythTV before?

[04:13:31]

RyeBrye:

I'm curious if the touch screen on the front would be useful or not

[04:13:48]

RyeBrye:

or If I'd have to write a ton of my own code to make it useful :)

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hadees:

RyeBrye, mythtv will work with mouse clicks so you could use the touch screen but it would only mirror what your TV is showing

[04:15:45]

hadees:

RyeBrye, personally I don't like that and would rather it show maybe just the menus and some other stuff

[04:16:10]

hadees:

i've looked into getting something like that before

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RyeBrye:

You could probably write some program to act as a mythtv remote and run on the second screen, I suppose

[04:16:26]

hadees:

RyeBrye, yeah that would be one way

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hadees:

RyeBrye, you could even make it use MythTV's skin engine and menus

[04:16:43]

RyeBrye:

Just make it completely seperate from Myth and have it communicate with myth via commands and stuff

[04:17:01]

RyeBrye:

I was thinking it would be easier / better to just make it using Adobe Flex or something :)

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hadees:

yup if you wanted to do that it would cool

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RyeBrye:

since you don't need it to play back video – you could make a pretty nice interface with buttons and transitions in a matter of hours

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hadees:

RyeBrye, yeah, if i were doing it the main reason would be to play music with out turning on the TV

[04:17:58]

hadees:

and a nice clock

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RyeBrye:

True

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hadees:

so you would need to do possibly a mythmusic interface

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hadees:

but thats up to you

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RyeBrye:

True.

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RyeBrye:

I don't know – I don't see myself using a touch screen all that much for the extra $200+ for that case compared to other options

[04:19:02]

RyeBrye:

a front-panel LCD or VFD screen would be fine

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hadees:

RyeBrye, it really is just for the wow factor

[04:19:53]

RyeBrye:

Yeah.

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hadees:

and headless music playing

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hadees:

and a really nice clock

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RyeBrye:

yeah, I can see doing that – playing music without having to turn on the TV

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RyeBrye:

but I'm rarely in my TV room unless I'm going to be watching TV

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hadees:

i live in an apartment so i don't have tv room

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hadees:

i have a do everything in room

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wagner:

ryebrye: the music thing is about the only use i could see for such a thing

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hadees:

wagner, what about the clock, you could have a really nice clock

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wagner:

i dislike having to get up and touch anything by the TV

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RyeBrye:

I could see perhaps using it as a digital photo frame :)

[04:22:16]

wagner:

hadees: or... i could just get a really nice clock

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hadees:

my lcd display with a clock is so damn hard to read

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hadees:

wagner, would it be synced to a ntp server?

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RyeBrye:

Those radio clocks sync to the atomic clocks

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wagner:

hadees: no, but it would pull signal off a radio clock

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RyeBrye:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811280009 anyone seen these cases in person?

[04:23:21]

wagner:

yeah, theres some frequency that broadcasts the current time off the atomic clock

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wagner:

im pretty sure theyre terrestrial (rather than pulling off GPS sats)

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hadees:

RyeBrye, if you really want the ultimate case check out http://atechfabrication.com/

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wagner:

ooh, rackmount

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hadees:

RyeBrye, my main frontend uses the A-Tech 3000

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hadees:

wagner, that is an option, the case is totally customizable

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hadees:

costs a small fortune but damn its a nice case

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kdub:

damn those are nice

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hadees:

the HeatSync? Case 6000 is so expensive already i think i would have to get the touch screen if i bought one

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MinDKrime:

Do you need to install ivtv for centos?

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hadees:

MinDKrime, guess it depends on what you are going to do

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wagner:

you usually pay a small fortune for cases with integrated heatpipes/heatsinks

[04:27:00]

MinDKrime:

pvr-250 and air2pc

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kdub:

mindframe, its on atrpms, so i would assume it is not standard in the distribution

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wagner:

ivtv is necessary for the pvr-250

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kdub:

gay tab

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kdub:

MinDKrime

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RyeBrye:

Dang... Those are nice cases – but definitely pricey

[04:28:24]

MinDKrime:

humm

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kdub:

yeah, i felt bad paying $120 for a case

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kormoc:

kdub, we don't use gay negatively in here

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hadees:

RyeBrye, i got the 3000 when it first came out like 5 years ago, i still use it but i thought it was expensive then but it is nothing compared to the cost of the 6000

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kdub:

no that was totally positive

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MinDKrime:

I guess I am not sure what I need to do to install the kernel module

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MinDKrime:

i have the firmware installed

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RyeBrye:

Would Mythtv utilize a Core2 Quad?

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MinDKrime:

yum install ivtv-kmdl-$KVER says nothing to do

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kormoc:

RyeBrye, depends on what you're doing

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wagner:

ryebrye: depends on what youre doing

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RyeBrye:

HD playback – h.264

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wagner:

HAH!

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hadees:

RyeBrye, yeah

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wagner:

ryebrye: HD playback of what?

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hadees:

RyeBrye, although that might be overkill

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RyeBrye:

Stuff from an HD-PVR

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kormoc:

RyeBrye, yes, there's multithreaded h264 decoding

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kdub:

MinDKrime, follow jared wilson's mythtv installationg guide for fedora

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hadees:

although if you do transcoding on a combo backend frontend you might need it

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RyeBrye:

Yeah... I think that the local shop here has a pricing error on their page – they have a Core 2 Quad for $299 or something

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kdub:

it should be pretty much identical for centos

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wagner:

any C2D should be capable of decoding stuff from the HD-PVR in real time

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kormoc:

wagner, not any

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MinDKrime:

kdub: I am but yum -y install ivtv-kmdl-$KVER does not work :(

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kormoc:

wagner, 2.5 ghz is considered the min by most folks

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MinDKrime:

that were I am stuck

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kdub:

just did yum install ivtv

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wagner:

kormoc: 2.5GHz dual core?

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MinDKrime:

still look thou :)

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kdub:

do*

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kormoc:

wagner, and that's with certain h264 options disabled (like post processing filters)

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kormoc:

wagner, yes

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MinDKrime:

yes

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MinDKrime:

no kernel module loaded

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kormoc:

wagner, h264 is a major cpu hog to decode

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: I was /really/ just joking when I recommended you apply my patches to close out some tickets. (Though I did expect you would be the one to eventually pick up #5316: Add setting to disable automatic backups. :)

[04:32:58]

hadees:

all HD is a major cpu hog to decode

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kormoc:

hadees, mpeg2/4 has nothing on h264 :P

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wagner:

well on windows, ffdshow, with an interlace filter, i can do an 18mbps 1080i stream at about 60% usage

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wagner:

and thats on a 2.2GHz C2D

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kormoc:

wagner, h264 or mpeg2

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kdub:

windows

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kdub:

thats cheating

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MinDKrime:

OK i got a new error: Missing Dependency: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18–8.el5 is needed by package ivtv-kmdl-2.6.18–8.el5

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kormoc:

wagner, mosg hd is mpwg2

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MinDKrime:

not my night i guess ROFL

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wagner:

h264, encodes off the x264 site

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kdub:

MinDKrime, it means that they have not packaged the kernel module for your kernel version

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** kormoc shrugs **

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kdub:

looks like you are out of luck until they do

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kormoc:

wagner, myth has overhead in itself too

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MinDKrime:

well poo

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MinDKrime:

hehe

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MinDKrime:

thx

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wagner:

but enough overheard to half the decoding performance?

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hadees:

MinDKrime, you aren't out of luck you just have to build it yourself

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RyeBrye:

Commflagging a H.264 – while playing back another H.264... a C2Q would help for that, woudln't it?

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kormoc:

wagner, my c2d 1.86 ghz can not play 1080i/p h264, flat out, even with multithreading

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RyeBrye:

i.e. a backend / frontend on one machine and throwing a lot of jobs at it?

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kormoc:

RyeBrye, sure

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hadees:

MinDKrime, however that may be a bit advanced for you

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kdub:

this guy aint building a kernel

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RyeBrye:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017 That one seems reasonably priced

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MinDKrime:

hehe

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MinDKrime:

it has been forever since i have done that

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MinDKrime:

I am a yum install person now...

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hadees:

MinDKrime, try one of the prepacked mythtv distros

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MinDKrime:

k will look into it

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MinDKrime:

thx

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kdub:

mythdora is made by the guy that wrote that guide

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hadees:

although building a kernel sounds intimidating once i actually did it i found it to be fairly simple, although it is so big that finding all the modules to switch on can be a pain

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kdub:

so whatever you learned already should still apply if you use that

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kormoc:

kdub, he works on the mythdora project, but Jarod is not the only developer

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kdub:

yeah yeah

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flouger:

any recomendations on cap cards?

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kormoc:

flouger, depends on what you're capturing

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flouger:

cable tv

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flouger:

im looking at this

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flouger:

pvr 500 or pvr 350

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kormoc:

flouger, non-digital, non-hd, you'd want the pvr 150 or pvr 500, the 350 is not worth the money

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flouger:

well im going to throw it in a pretty shitty box

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flouger:

so it needs to do the encoding on the card

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hadees:

kormoc, hey guess what i fixed the sa3250ch-BR

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hadees:

can i submit that to svn?

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kormoc:

flouger, both the cards I said do hardware encoding

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kormoc:

hadees, I'd try submitting it to the orig author first, if they don't accept it, sure, we can likely put it in contrib

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hadees:

kormoc, the original version is in contrib in the channel changing dir, i fixed an easy bug in the modification he made to the script but never seemed to submit back to contrib

[05:06:21]

kormoc:

hadees, ahh, yeah, submit a trac ticket

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kormoc:

hadees, section contrib, assign it to me if you can

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hadees:

sure

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wagner:

mythweather is not saving my 'Active Screens' when i click 'Finish'

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Puh_:

i noticed yesterday that os x frontends hog a lot of cpu

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Puh_:

even when the frontend is idle it's taking a lot of cpu

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Puh_:

top shows ~30% worth of busyness while idling on the main menu!

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Puh_:

playback on full screen takes about 130% on my dual core intel macbook

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Puh_:

i tried macbook specifc modes and such&such but none of them really decreased the cpu usage

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kormoc:

try switching to/from the qt/opengl painter?

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Puh_:

i tried that, no help

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Puh_:

when running in a window the cpu usage went down a bit (to around 80%)

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Puh_:

just to let you all know

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Puh_:

and this was 0.21-fixes rev from http://www.thesniderpad.com//component/option . . . select/id,7/

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Puh_:

er, rev 17392 that is

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hadees:

kormoc, when i create the ticket it wouldn't let me assign anyone as the owner and it defaulted to ijr

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hadees:

do you want me to just say it should go to you in the comments?

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hadees:

or can you take it from ijr?

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kormoc:

nah, just give me the number

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hadees:

kormoc, 5406, it looks like the guy did some other stuff with newer boxes, i'm not exactly sure, my sa3250 works.

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hadees:

*sa3250s

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orion_:

hi

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orion_:

quick question, i gave up on mythtv awhile ago because i didnt like the music player

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orion_:

is there a way to change to a different music player?

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orion_:

eg. is there an alternate one available

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kormoc:

you can edit the menus fairly easily to run whatever you want

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kormoc:

but officially, there is not

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spikemcc:

need help for hauppage wintvpvrusb 2 with mythbuntu 8.04 !!!

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spikemcc:

hi someone here ?

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kormoc:

nope, we're all ghosts

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spikemcc:

can you help me to make the drivers maybe even make a .deb setup file to save and share

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justinh:

drivers, in a package? what kind of madness?

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spikemcc:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_Wi . . . Installation

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spikemcc:

I'm not a programmer i wanted a simple way to backup the drivers to reinstall it if needed

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spikemcc:

something to reinstall maybe a script or something like that

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justinh:

why not ask the mythbuntu guys about it – there might be something they can do

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spikemcc:

how to talk with them ?

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justinh:

/join #ubuntu-mythtv

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wagner:

damnit... ive been screwing around with mythweather for an hour

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wagner:

turns out my theme just doesnt support it

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spikemcc:

thanks

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justinh:

wagner: which theme?

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wagner:

grayham

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justinh:

full name

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justinh:

projectgrayhem-wide or just projectgrayhem?

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justinh:

and where did you get it?

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wagner:

projectgrayhem (not wide)

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wagner:

its been sitting on my mythbox for probably over a year now

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kormoc:

so you expect a theme that is older then the new plugin to support the new plugin?

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justinh:

themes are seldom forward compatible – they have to be updated like everything else

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wagner:

well there were no problems with anything else

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wagner:

i just didnt even think about it

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justinh:

that theme hasn't had a weather-ui.xml for ages now

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wagner:

yeah, doesnt seem to be active any longer

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justinh:

it's been in svn since before I took the website down

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spikemcc:

damned !!!

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justinh:

and I still keep it up to date (moan, grumble)

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wagner:

i finally just sat the frontend console next to the frontend, and caught that it was missing that xml file

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spikemcc:

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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justinh:

wagner: if the -ui.xml file isn't there, then that feature isn't themed – i.e. mythfrontend will just use a default -ui.xml file

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spikemcc:

how a french user can understand a hard english tutorial about compiling ...

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justinh:

spikemcc: instead of letting off steam why not ask a question about something you do not understand?

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wagner:

well the weather display doesnt work at all, the weather settings kind of work, but never save one of the tables

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kormoc:

wagner, so grab the updated theme?

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justinh:

spikemcc: you're more likely to get help!

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directhex:

what ARE you doing, spikemcc? ubuntu comes with the pvrusb2 driver

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wagner:

kormoc: the latest version is from 06

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kormoc:

wagner, no it's not

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justinh:

wagner: AND people are still packaging all the themes I used to host

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kormoc:

wagner, as justinh (the guy who *WROTE* the theme) said, it's in subversion now that the website is down

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justinh:

dunno why though, they're shit

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directhex:

it's been in-kernel since 2.6.20 or so

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kormoc:

justinh, lies! LIES I SAY!

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justinh:

reminds me I need to ask somebody to take the mythtvtalk.com version down

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justinh:

it's WAY out of date even for 0.20

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wagner:

so google fails... start rooting through subversion

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wagner:

sounds good

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justinh:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0- . . . ojectGrayhem

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justinh:

probably

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justinh:

it wouldn't just be mythweather giving you trouble either. mythmusic, mythvideo, a few things in mythfrontend...

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directhex:

mythpanda

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wagner:

mythvideo worked fine, i never used mythmusic outside of mythweb

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directhex:

try editing file extensions in mythvideo's settings

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justinh:

wagner: it wouldn't have. you've probably just not seen the problems yet. no metadata editing, weird problems, yada yada

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wagner:

well ive scanned IMDB, but ive not manually entered anything

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MinDKrime:

Can you change channels on a cable box over firewire and still record over coax?

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justinh:

part of the reason I stopped doing the tarballs (I mean APART from abusive emails from retards) was that the users I had were a mixture of trunk fans & fixes users. When UI code breaks themes it becomes a PITA to maintain different versions. Multiply that by 9

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justinh:

MinDKrime: why the hell would you use coax? do you like mono audio?

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MinDKrime:

it all I have coming out of my cable box

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wagner:

perhaps to record 5C channels, without the need for an IR blaster

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justinh:

no composite or svideo? Ha!

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MinDKrime:

firewire all channelsa re encrypted

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MinDKrime:

i just need to change the channels on the box

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MinDKrime:

and it work on firewire just cant record anything

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justinh:

no composite or svideo output though? sounds fishy

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MinDKrime:

maybe it does

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MinDKrime:

not sure

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justinh:

become sure

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MinDKrime:

k 1 sec

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justinh:

preserve what little video quality you can

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MinDKrime:

:D

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MinDKrime:

1 sec

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justinh:

coax < composite < svideo < RGB/component :)

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MinDKrime:

yes it has both

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MinDKrime:

but it comes into a pvr150

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justinh:

go with svideo then – and yeah I believe you can still use firewire for channel changing

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justinh:

so? pvr150 cards have an svideo input

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clever:

and composite

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MinDKrime:

how do i get the sound in?

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justinh:

they have a stereo audio input too. depending on the model you have you'll need either a straight stereo RCA-RCA lead or an RCA to stereo minijack lead

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MinDKrime:

humm

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justinh:

the RCA connections are red & white on the pvr 150

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MinDKrime:

ok i will check into that :)

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MinDKrime:

nice

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justinh:

stereo RCA to minijack leads are like $2

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justinh:

(if that!)

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clever:

ive got 3–4 of them

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justinh:

I've got zillions of the buggers

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clever:

i was often piping the tapeout into my computer then back into the sterio as a tape deck

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clever:

so i could mix the tv sound with the pc sound

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clever:

but now my tv sound comes out of the pc card so theres no need to pipe it in

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wagner:

hey, it works!... kind of...

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wagner:

works as well as any of the other skins anyway

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MinDKrime:

so can I change the channel via firewire or record over svideo?

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** justinh ponders whether to continue slapping people who call them skins **

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wagner:

if i have two 'animated map' items, after cycling through them, one will overwrite the other

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wagner:

so both pages just show the one map

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wagner:

fine... themes

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justinh:

MinDKrime: you can change channels via firewire AND record over svideo :)

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** clever goes into the code and renames every theme class to SKIN classes! **

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clever:

now how do i svn commit this...

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MinDKrime:

I was looking at the channel change contrib but i does nto say anythign about firewire

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wagner:

ill have to see if theres a ticket for that issue already

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justinh:

awww pity you don't have commit privileges, clever. no, GOOD JOB infact :P

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clever:

lol

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wagner:

well i cant add anything, but i can come in here and bitch until the mythweather guy hears about it... :)

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justinh:

there is no 'mythweather guy' as such

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MinDKrime:

justinh: can you point me to the link or website so I can read about it

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justinh:

www.google.com ?

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MinDKrime:

I am not afraid to RTFM

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justinh:

wiki.mythtv.org ?

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MinDKrime:

i tried that

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justinh:

people have mentioned it plenty on the mailing lists

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MinDKrime:

ok then i will find

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MinDKrime:

thx

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justinh:

google this: mythtv firewire channel change script

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justinh:

hmm how come every time I check something out with svn+ssh it asks for my password 3 times – yet if I'm checking IN it only asks once

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justinh:

crazy world

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wagner:

justinh: you said youve see that duplicate screen issue on mailing lists? or were you talking about something else?

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justinh:

wagner: that was something else

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justinh:

the 'recording cable via svideo, changing channels via firewire'

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wagner:

ah

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justinh:

MinDKrime: 6200.ch is still in contrib

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MinDKrime:

and sa3250 :)

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justinh:

you need libraw1394-dev libavc1394-dev build-essential libraw1394–8 libavc1394–0 to build it

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MinDKrime:

but i have librom1394

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justinh:

there are precompiled binaries too: http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/contrib/i386/6200ch

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justinh:

and http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/contrib/i386/6200ch

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

"Your musical compatibility rating with kormoc is: Unknown :("

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justinh:

kormoc: so? my wife likes Tina Turner & eminem ffs ;)

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justinh:

hardly what I'd call musically compatible with my own tastes :D

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kormoc:

justinh, more wondering why I'm not 100% compatible with myself :P

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justinh:

hahaha

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justinh:

I spent some time mangling 'Losing My Religion' last night. preparing for a club night being done in memoriam of an old venue I used to play at

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kormoc:

Yeah?

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justinh:

it's all it's good for now. mangling

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justinh:

been putting the playlist together – having fun finding all the big tracks from 1998–1994 & remembering others. and joy when realising tracks I really hate came after then :)

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MinDKrime:

do you know where i get plugreport?

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MinDKrime:

i cant find it on my machine and the wiki talks about it

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kormoc:

I've been working on rating all my music

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kormoc:

MinDKrime, bet google knows

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justinh:

I want to re-rip my whole collection but this time avoid all the shite that I shouldn't even own by rights

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clever:

mass delete!

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justinh:

There should be no Vengaboys or Aqua album in my CD rack :P

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clever:

lol

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justinh:

nah I'm gonna rip it all to something high quality

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clever:

AFLAC!

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justinh:

AFLAC?

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clever:

that car insurance company

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clever:

with the duck:P

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clever:

thats what i thought of when i thought of FLAC

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justinh:

sadly when I think of insurance companies, an image of 3 Aussie trannies appears in my head singing a fucking annoying jingle

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Dibblah:

FLAC is good but expensive disk wise, obviously.

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Dibblah:

justinh: Please, don't say that.

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Dibblah:

At least not out loud.

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justinh:

I didn't say the name

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justinh:

I did NOT say the name

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Dibblah:

Because it means the advert worked :(

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clever:

i havent seen those aflac comercials in ages

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justinh:

they're doing nightclub appearances these days. WHY?! Oooh maybe so I can go through bottles

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clever:

maybe mythcommflag is working:P

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justinh:

clever: seldom works in the UK

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justinh:

s/through/throw

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clever:

it depends on the channel&show mostly for me

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justinh:

it works on Sky One, but I don't have that anymore

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clever:

ncis has a quick flash of a frame at the end of the comercial

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clever:

which may be cut out as a comercial fade

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clever:

often dark scenes get cut several mins in

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clever:

which just gave me an idea

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clever:

analyze the shows and store the data thats uses to find comercials

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justinh:

yeah but they DO use stupid 'tension building' editing techniques

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clever:

then use your manual cutpoints as hints

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clever:

and learn the data on each show&channel

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justinh:

sheesh. sounds like work for somebody

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clever:

yes it would be alot of work, but it would also let the flagger learn on its own

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justinh:

just press 4 right arrow :P

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justinh:

<3 4 minute ad breaks

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clever:

the end key has never worked in the remote.c i was using

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clever:

controling the frontend at the toher end of the room thru ssh

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clever:

so i used 2<right> often

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clever:

but i just gave in and fixed the end key and F1-F12 lastnight:P

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justinh:

been a while since I looked at my recording stats actually

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clever:

:q

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justinh:

ITV1 1160 shows recorded :-O

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justinh:

Five US 2

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clever:

select count(*) from oldrecorded;

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clever:

| 4657 |

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kormoc:

Number of episodes: 8636

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justinh:

Total Recorded: 7 months 11 days 17 hrs 25 mins

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kormoc:

8 months 20 days 3 hrs 21 mins here :P

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justinh:

wonder when the first recording in this database was...

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kormoc:

the real trick is when is the first record

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kormoc:

justinh, it says so

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clever:

| Spike TV – Canadian Feed | 326 |

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clever:

| CIHFNB | 445 |

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clever:

| YTV | 1155 |

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clever:

| The Discovery Channel Canada | 1204 |

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kormoc:

First recording: Monday July 4th, 2005

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clever:

select (select name from channel where chanid=oldrecorded.chanid)as channel,count(*) from oldrecorded group by chanid order by count(*);

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kormoc:

clever, or just use the mythweb stats?

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clever:

i dont have mythweb up, and i cant easily get recording size out of mythweb

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kormoc:

justinh, third thing in the main stats box is first recording

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clever:

90% of the time i load the recording list, it kills the master

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justinh:

Wednesday December 28th, 2005

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clever:

and takes 20mins just to even load

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xris:

clever: you must have a lot of stuff.

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kormoc:

justinh, wow, you're doing a fair bit more then myself

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justinh:

wow. could've sworn I've been using myth longer than that

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clever:

xris: 552 recordings

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justinh:

kormoc: Percent of time spent recording: 25%

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xris:

scary. use a title filter or something

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kormoc:

justinh, could have, just lost the db a few years ago?

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kormoc:

24% here :P

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clever:

i cant pick a filter until i load the list

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clever:

and once i start loading the list it kilsl the master

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clever:

even if i stop the browser

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xris:

clever: ?title=whatever

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justinh:

maybe I dropped the db but imported channel, recorded, recordseek etc

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clever:

that requires knowing the code off the top of my head like you:P

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clever:

or asking you

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kormoc:

justinh, that's mostly based off of oldrecord

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clever:

and properly spelling the title letter for letter

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kormoc:

*oldrecorded

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xris:

clever: years of seeing it in the address bar. :)

[07:18:39]

clever:

i havent touched it in months

[07:18:48]

justinh:

kormoc: I know, so if I think I started using it earlier... :)

[07:19:03]

xris:

someday I'll get around to redesigning that recordings page to be a little more manageable. something like the frontend's interface.. some ajax to load the pics, etc.

[07:19:03]

clever:

and ive only been using it since 2007-02–05 10:00:00

[07:19:05]

xris:

someday...

[07:19:09]

clever:

just over a year now

[07:19:24]

xris:

I'm going on 5.5 years using mythtv

[07:19:24]

clever:

yeah ajax on the preview images would solve 90% of my problems

[07:19:32]

xris:

could just turn off the preview images.

[07:19:34]

kormoc:

xris, hrm... you think that'd be useable?

[07:19:36]

clever:

loading those preview images is what kills the master

[07:19:51]

xris:

kormoc: part of the reason I've never done it. UI is a pain.

[07:19:51]

kormoc:

I guess it could be

[07:19:57]

** kormoc ponders **

[07:20:03]

clever:

all my ui's look fugly

[07:20:13]

xris:

I think it could be done easily enough, though.. something like how the "customize google" ff plugin works to display all google results in a single page.

[07:20:22]

xris:

get toward the bottom, and it loads another page of data.

[07:20:27]

kormoc:

yeah, that's simple

[07:20:32]

xris:

but I think you could do that with pixmaps.. load them afterwards, or something

[07:20:43]

xris:

actually, *that* would be easy...

[07:20:55]

kormoc:

well

[07:21:02]

clever:

i made a patch to my mythweb a few months ago

[07:21:07]

clever:

so the recording delete button would use ajax

[07:21:09]

xris:

load images that exist, but if the backend needs to render it, send a placeholder instead, and use javascript to request the pixmaps in a more reasonable timeframe

[07:21:09]

kormoc:

just doing ajax loading like the popups are is simple enough

[07:21:13]

clever:

dont think i ever submited it

[07:21:21]

kormoc:

have it dump out a js objact

[07:21:23]

xris:

clever: it does that already

[07:21:26]

xris:

has for a long time

[07:21:28]

kormoc:

the js object can preload the images just fine

[07:21:33]

xris:

kormoc: yeah

[07:21:38]

clever:

actualy no it was on the upcoming recordings page

[07:21:46]

clever:

i was duplicating how recordings got deleted

[07:21:53]

clever:

because cancling 200 things got to be a pain

[07:21:58]

justinh:

I joined mythtvtalk.com in November 2004

[07:22:03]

xris:

oh. scheduled recordings, yes...

[07:22:03]

clever:

having to load the list of 2000 upcoming things over and over

[07:22:09]

clever:

and reset the scrolling down 5 pages

[07:22:11]

xris:

kormoc made some adjustments that'll help with that.

[07:22:25]

justinh:

so that oldrecorded oldest entry must've been when I migrated to ubuntu

[07:22:38]

kormoc:

I need to finish my ticket queue and finish mythweb.video rewrite v2 and get with some other stuff

[07:22:40]

clever:

i managed to reuse the ui code to make the change 100% transparent

[07:22:49]

clever:

the ajax reply simply hides the row in the table

[07:22:51]

justinh:

I think dapper is about 3 years old, maybe more

[07:22:53]

xris:

I asked bruce (keeper of the scheduler) to put a "schedule last reloaded" flag into the backend so we could query it, but he never replied.

[07:23:04]

kormoc:

Yeah

[07:23:07]

clever:

yeah that would also help with it

[07:23:08]

xris:

and I've been WAY too busy with work/life/SD to put much into mythweb lately.

[07:23:09]

kormoc:

that's too bad

[07:23:19]

kormoc:

I really want to do the full re-write

[07:23:29]

kormoc:

but I guess I need to finish the bindings first

[07:23:36]

xris:

clever: the idea was that you wouldn't want to reload the upcoming page unless the scheduler was done reloading, since it takes awhle.

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clever:

yeah

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** kormoc shakes his fist at all the folks who claimed they'd help with the bindings **

[07:23:54]

xris:

heh

[07:23:54]

clever:

i see my patch is still in my working dir

[07:23:57]

kormoc:

not a single one has sumbitted any code at all

[07:23:58]

clever:

i'll throw it up somewhere

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** xris goes to sleep an hour late. again. **

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** kormoc waves **

[07:24:12]

xris:

kormoc: was supposed to get some flash help, too, but he never wrote back.

[07:24:29]

kormoc:

xris, sam was learning action script, he might be able to fix it up for us

[07:24:45]

clever:

http://clever.mine.nu:81/dontdeleteajax.patch

[07:24:47]

xris:

that'd be cool. depends on how good he is with Flex at that point.

[07:25:00]

justinh:

have yet to carry out my threat to try skinning mythweb

[07:25:11]

kormoc:

justinh, honestly... wait for the rewrite :)

[07:25:20]

xris:

justinh: I really need to finish a bunch of stuff so that it's easier to do/maintain

[07:25:40]

justinh:

but then if there was any reason to (i.e. if it sucked as badly as themes did) I'd have done it already :)

[07:25:54]

kormoc:

justinh, the current way to do it is a bit of a mess... I keep threatening to do a re-write and we'd do it purely css and all that jazz nice and neat

[07:26:03]

clever:

xris: have a glance over that patch

[07:26:20]

justinh:

I changed some images once. that was as far as I got

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justinh:

hmm just read we now have to give 3 days notice before going to the US. wtf?!

[07:29:20]

justinh:

think that might've been total BS

[07:29:29]

kormoc:

notice to who?

[07:29:50]

justinh:

forum post doesn't say. looking into it

[07:30:06]

kormoc:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2008/jun/03/ . . . el.terrorism

[07:30:43]

kormoc:

whee

[07:31:03]

justinh:

what the HELL?!

[07:31:13]

kormoc:

crack

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kormoc:

they're smoking it

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xris:

wow

[07:32:19]

** xris goes to make sure there isn't something like that for france/italy... heh **

[07:32:34]

clever:

'The rules will apply to citizens from the 27 nations of the visa waiver scheme. '

[07:32:34]

** xris is not looking forward to showing up in the paris airport alone and not-speaking-french. **

[07:32:47]

justinh:

is anybody seriously buying that it's to prevent tourism? er.. terrorism. Sorry, the way bush pronounces 'terrorism' it's easy to become confuzzled

[07:33:04]

justinh:

xris: you'll be fine :)

[07:33:23]

kormoc:

xris, just keep saying, "votre maman est un fermier de porc et vos odeurs de papa comme des radis"

[07:33:25]

justinh:

in paris, you'll be fine. heck even in Nice you'd be fine

[07:33:33]

xris:

justinh: yeah. I just feel sad that I can't get along in french.. spanish, german, italian, portuguese, even a bit of dutch/danish.. but not french.

[07:34:10]

justinh:

I've only been to one place in france – a small provincial airstrip – where nobody spoke English

[07:34:14]

xris:

my poor wife has to stay up another couple of hours to call london to make reservations for the highgate cemetery tour. heh

[07:34:24]

PaulWay:

xris: I had my friend and his family go through France, and they went fine.

[07:34:30]

justinh:

and that time it was just as well I was there cos my colleague didn't speak a word

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xris:

justinh: it's not that they don't speak english.. it's that they *won't* speak english. ;)

[07:34:42]

PaulWay:

Their grasp of French is loose to not put too fine a point on it.

[07:34:50]

PaulWay:

xris: are you Australian by any chance?

[07:34:51]

kormoc:

xris, wear a maple leaf!

[07:34:59]

xris:

PaulWay: nope.. american. but I grew up in peru

[07:35:04]

justinh:

xris: well, either or.. same difference at the end of the day

[07:35:05]

PaulWay:

Yeah, Australian or Canadian will get you through...

[07:35:09]

xris:

kormoc: pondered it.

[07:35:23]

xris:

canadians all at least get basic french in school. heh

[07:35:35]

justinh:

just don't wear a 'Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey' T-shirt on the flight

[07:35:38]

kormoc:

I forget what book that was from... "Your mom is a pig farmer and your dad smells like radishes" is the universal gag saying

[07:35:54]

xris:

sounds like a python skit

[07:35:59]

kormoc:

it could be

[07:36:08]

PaulWay:

Heh. "Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"

[07:36:16]

xris:

well, that one is for sure.

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xen_:

Hey there ive just installed mythtv on ubuntu 8.04, but when i run the front-end the menu keeps blinking, whats up with that?

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justinh:

another happy customer :)

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dolphin:

soo... i'm starting to think this Intel GMA X311 graphics crap is why i can't use mythfrontend

[08:43:17]

dolphin:

anybody else use this?

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laga:

why do you think that?

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anykey_:

dolphin: can you give the relevant line of lspci?

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dolphin:

ankey_: 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)

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justinh:

bollocks

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justinh:

that's supported

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anykey_:

dolphin: so what exactly does not work?

[08:45:38]

dolphin:

essentially, the same intel-based stuff is on these 2 separate laptops... but the one with gm945 works great... but this x3100 doesn't work

[08:45:53]

justinh:

define 'does not work'

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dolphin:

anykey_: mythfrontend does not play video.... or it does, but it's at about one frame per ten seconds

[08:46:15]

dolphin:

even with ethernet

[08:47:17]

anykey_:

dolphin: looks to me like you configured mythtv for opengl output without working opengl

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dolphin:

anykey_: i've tried with opengl & without opengl, and still no go... nothing but super stuttered frames

[08:48:22]

laga:

dolphin: make sure to disable xvmc.

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dolphin:

laga: in gstreamer-properties or in frontend?

[08:49:23]

laga:

in the frontend

[08:49:28]

laga:

mythtv does not use gstreamer

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dolphin:

k, well... i'll brb, as i tried the i810 driver instead of the default intel one...

[08:49:56]

justinh:

thank God

[08:50:02]

justinh:

evil Fluendo crap

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dolphin:

hmm.... odd, it's not displaying the first levels of menus in the frontend, but if i hit right a couple times, i can see the recording list and videos are actually playing (tho still somewhat choppy now)

[08:55:36]

dolphin:

anyoe know why the first couple levels of menus don't display whatsoever??

[08:56:03]

dolphin:

i tried deleting my .mythtv prefs, but that still doens't help

[08:56:33]

laga:

dolphin: disable the opengl painter

[08:56:38]

laga:

or run mythfrontend --reset

[08:57:42]

dolphin:

laga: did the --reset, but how could i disable the opengl painter without opening the frontend?

[08:58:04]

laga:

dolphin: myth{frontend|tv-setup} -O ThemePainter=qt

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directhex:

or make your opengl actually work

[09:00:08]

directhex:

if the video's choppy, that makes it sound like your video driver's generally being crap

[09:01:15]

dolphin:

heck, it's waayyyy better than it was.... don't understand how it would've change from me changing xorg.conf from i810 back to intel

[09:02:22]

justinh:

if you don't understand why using one driver would be better than another you shouldn't be using linux,maybe

[09:02:35]

laga:

ha

[09:02:39]

laga:

i love you, justinh.

[09:02:44]

laga:

hum, that sounded wrong

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

hmm fuel protesters are gonna have a 'go slow' around the M60 at 40mph tomorrow. Facking ridiculous – good luck to them DOUBLING the average speed of that road system

[09:04:09]

laga:

heh.

[09:04:18]

directhex:

i810 and intel ought to behave the same, outside modesetting concerns

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laga:

police is doing traffic controls here – except it's not a real traffic control, it's just so a bunch of students can interview you about your destination. i bet i won't be too friendly if they stop me on my way to my exam later today..

[09:06:09]

justinh:

mace should do the job

[09:06:56]

laga:

heh, indeed

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dolphin:

well... like i said, i've got a GMA x3100, and it uses the 'intel' mod by default in both hardy but i had a couple other problems i didn't feel like dealing with, so i downgraded to gutsy... but i still had the problem with mythfrontend, wireless or wired

[09:08:14]

dolphin:

i decided to try the i810 driver... but that's when the frontend stopped displaying the menu

[09:09:17]

dolphin:

and heck no i don't know too many people who know *why* they use the modules they use... but if one works better than the one that comes with the distro by default... why *wouldn't* i use the other one?

[09:10:18]

directhex:

oh, that's the other thing, i810 won't be getting many updates to support new hardware

[09:10:34]

directhex:

965 is about the newest it handles

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justinh:

oo 2 for 1 @ wagamama :P

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dolphin_:

k, so... i think i'm very close to get it working the way it's supposed to

[09:20:55]

dolphin_:

but i still get some errors when running mythfrontend thru command line... http://pastebin.ca/1038517

[09:21:19]

justinh:

I always enjoy reading those "hey, I've got mythtv fully working, apart from watching TV & recordings" threads. they make my day

[09:21:34]

directhex:

#

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directhex:

2008-06–04 04:13:34.035 VideoOutputXv Error: Could not find suitable XVideo surface.

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directhex:

#

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directhex:

2008-06–04 04:13:34.035 VideoOutputXv: Falling back to X11 video output over a network socket.

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directhex:

#

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directhex:

*** May be very slow ***

[09:21:39]

directhex:

hm, i wonder what's up

[09:22:07]

justinh:

intruiging!

[09:22:11]

laga:

i guess you dont have Xv support ;)

[09:22:22]

directhex:

***

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directhex:

* Your system is not capable of displaying the

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directhex:

* full framerate at 1280x800 resolution. Frames

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directhex:

* will be skipped in order to keep the audio and

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directhex:

* video in sync.

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dolphin_:

GMA X3100 should have that tho, right? or is it just not supported in linux yet?

[09:23:03]

directhex:

dolphin, i thought you downgraded to an old release?

[09:23:06]

laga:

my X3100 works just fine ;)

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dolphin_:

=-(

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laga:

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)

[09:23:38]

laga:

assuming this is one

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dolphin_:

i did download to an older release.... and like i said, both hardy & gutsy were having problems... but there were a couple more issues with hardy, so it was a no brainer for me

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directhex:

laga, nope

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dolphin_:

that's it

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directhex:

wait, i'm mixing 3100 and x3100

[09:24:34]

directhex:

there'll be something obvious in your xorg.0.log

[09:25:09]

directhex:

but generally, stop trying to make myth behave, use "xvinfo" as your test app

[09:25:28]

justinh:

and stop using glass-wide – it's no longer supported

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laga:

justinh: not supported by you :)

[09:25:51]

justinh:

oops. using the even worse one

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dolphin_:

???? (WW) VESA(0): Bad V_BIOS checksum

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justinh:

laga: who IS supporting it then?

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laga:

justinh: laga@moar:~$ apt-cache show mythtv-theme-glass-wide | grep -i maintainer

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laga:

Maintainer: Ubuntu MythTV Team <ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com >

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laga:

;)

[09:26:50]

laga:

at least that's where bug reports in ubuntu will end up..

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dolphin_:

xvinfo

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dolphin_:

X-Video Extension version 2.2

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dolphin_:

screen #0

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dolphin_:

no adaptors present

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justinh:

laga: ahh like my /dev/null email address then

[09:27:29]

laga:

heh

[09:27:32]

justinh:

maybe I should give you guys the non-sucky version I use now

[09:27:41]

laga:

justinh: yay.

[09:27:52]

laga:

justinh: sure. it'll go into intrepid then, or the weekly builds

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dolphin_:

well, i'm using neon-wide... i dunno why glass-wide is still showing up

[09:28:50]

justinh:

I'd love to know what I was smoking when I made neon-wide

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directhex:

dolphin_, right. no adaptors present meaning your xv is broken. if you have no gl and no xv, then how do you think video will play back smoothly? the app needs to draw everything one full-screen bitmap at a time

[09:29:17]

dolphin_:

justinh: why don't you don't like it anymore?

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directhex:

dolphin_, so fix your driver.

[09:29:29]

justinh:

BECAUSE IT SUCKS

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dolphin_:

and you use what now?

[09:29:46]

justinh:

I use an unreleased one

[09:30:07]

dolphin_:

oh, well... i have to use the sucky themes

[09:30:39]

dolphin_:

directhex: how do you suppose i fix my driver?

[09:31:03]

directhex:

dolphin_, i don't know. i haven't seen any useful diagnostic output yet. just the symptoms.

[09:31:51]

dolphin_:

=-( i'd be giving you some diagnostic output if i knew how

[09:32:01]

directhex:

xorg.0.log might help

[09:32:17]

dolphin_:

oh yea... forgot about that

[09:33:32]

dolphin_:

http://pastebin.ca/1038520

[09:35:15]

directhex:

oh you bloody twat

[09:35:26]

directhex:

VESA is the unaccelerated fallback driver that works with everything

[09:35:52]

laga:

rotfl

[09:36:04]

dolphin_:

hmm... well, xorg.conf definitely has the intel module

[09:36:09]

dolphin_:

which was crap

[09:36:19]

willcooke:

morning all – anyone else running trunk getting juddering audio/video and "write audio buffer underrun" FE errors when there's a lot of one single colour (most often black) on the screen?

[09:36:21]

directhex:

how about a "you're using vesa" warning for MFE?

[09:36:34]

directhex:

willcooke, nobody's dumb enough to run trunk in production right now

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** willcooke is **

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justinh:

willcooke: bufferring issues – you'd prolly see similar with -fixes

[09:37:05]

justinh:

crazy, innit

[09:37:19]

justinh:

variable bitrates cause it apparently

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directhex:

dolphin_, check it. you're categorically not using the intel driver, which would, y'know, mention intel

[09:37:42]

directhex:

dolphin_, here's a giveaway:

[09:37:44]

directhex:

#

[09:37:44]

directhex:

(II) LoadModule: "vesa"

[09:37:51]

directhex:

#

[09:37:51]

directhex:

(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//vesa_drv.so

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dolphin_:

i just saw the warnings but skipped over the vesa part

[09:38:02]

** justinh blames livetv for the buffer being variable size rather than fixed **

[09:38:15]

directhex:

justinh, bouncy bouncy. does virgin1 work yet?

[09:38:40]

justinh:

yeah since I put the epia shite in the bin

[09:38:46]

willcooke:

justinh, Ahhhh ok. That would make sense. I guess the BR drops when theres a lot of the same thing on the screen. I like it – it gives me a clue that adverts are coming up and to get ready with the FFWD button.

[09:39:07]

justinh:

not actually recorded anything off virgin1 for ages

[09:39:17]

dolphin_:

directhex: i guess i'll try a restart since ctrl+alt+backspace wasn't good enough.... which should have been, i thought

[09:39:30]

justinh:

watch family guy & american dad repeats now instead of the Fresh Prince of Bellend

[09:40:07]

justinh:

the crazy buffering thing wil get worked out soon I hope

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dolphin_:

yea, there's only so much family guy repeats i can stand anymore.... the bill clinton episode was great, tho

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laga:

justinh: audio buffering?

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justinh:

laga: not as far as I know

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** willcooke is going to totally eat that pig **

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dolphin_:

brb

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justinh:

AFAIK the video buffer is a sliding size & sometimes it over/under shoots with rapid changes

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directhex:

yeppers!

[09:42:27]

justinh:

one of the reasons dvd playback can seem a bit poo too

[09:42:45]

justinh:

and it's only a sliding buffer because of livetv

[09:43:46]

justinh:

I was gonna have a peek & see if I could do if $livetvrunning doWackyBufferTrick() else doUseBigEnoughBuffer()

[09:43:55]

justinh:

got distracted by something shiny

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laga:

oooh shiny

[09:45:17]

justinh:

and maybe, just maybe – in the land where that code was tested they didn't have ridiculous bitrate deltas like we have here

[09:45:19]

directhex:

poing

[09:47:24]

directhex:

http://i29.tinypic.com/jb0pog.png

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dolphin:

hmm.... well, frame skippage is gone now! seems a little blurrier than normal, but i'm not even concerned about that....

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dolphin:

the only thing i did was change the driver in xorg.conf from intel to i810.... and then back to intel.... and it worked. before it was nowhere near as smooth as this

[09:51:26]

dolphin:

whew, well.... thanks for the help directhex!!

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dolphin:

use video as timebase & opengl vertical sync for timing should be enabled, right??

[09:56:38]

directhex:

you're not using opengl video. well probably not. so that setting doesn't matter

[09:56:56]

directhex:

and only use video as a timebase if you need to (slow-sounding audio)

[10:01:01]

laga:

directhex: opengl vsync – it doesn't matter if you're using the opengl video renderer or not

[10:01:13]

directhex:

laga, really? how odd

[10:01:37]

dolphin:

... and last question (for tonight =-) what do you guys use to burn videos to dvd?? i see there's a mythdvd package for ubuntu, but wondering what the "pros" do...

[10:01:50]

laga:

directhex: there's mytharchive

[10:02:06]

laga:

mythdvd is gone in 0.21, it's been merged into mythvideo

[10:02:14]

laga:

alright, time for me to turn this thing off. ttyl

[10:02:18]

dolphin:

yea, that's what i'm looking for...

[10:02:21]

dolphin:

i'm out too

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dolphin:

lata & thanks again!!

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Schamane:

moin

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justinh:

minus

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directhex:

less

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dolphin:

wait... so, when configuring the mytharchive plugin.... are the myth temp dir & archive dir on the backend or frontend??

[10:14:21]

directhex:

FE

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directhex:

plugins are on the FE

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dolphin:

i'm on the FE right now.... but it's asking for archive temp dir & archive share dir

[10:15:12]

dolphin:

which i'm guessing would be on the backend

[10:16:02]

dolphin:

hmm.... now i'm reading that mytharchive won't work without nfs, which i don't have

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justinh:

needs some way of accessing recordings

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dolphin:

justinh: sshfs would work as well? i've never setup nfs, but i'm sure it can't be too dificult

[10:20:46]

sid3windr:

sshfs slowww

[10:20:56]

sid3windr:

but yes, any fs would work afaik, you just need to get to the files

[10:21:09]

dolphin:

does mytharchive really need it to be that fast?

[10:21:15]

directhex:

sshfs is teh SLOWS

[10:22:04]

dolphin:

i'lll prolly mess with nfs tomorrow, but just to make sure the share dir is where the recordings are stored and the temp dir could be a sub-folder of my /archive folder??

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dolphin:

peace out

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justinh:

scary – http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/thebigblog . . . s/129063.asp

[11:43:24]

dustybin:

when i download dvb drivers from linuxtv.org, i first done this to download the source;

[11:43:27]

dustybin:

hg clone http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb

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dustybin:

is there a way to update the source only, like svn update?

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** dustybin has never used hg **

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clever:

man hq

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clever:

hg help

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clever:

google.com?q=hg update

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justinh:

they tell you how on the site damnit

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justinh:

"To update the sources later on:"

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justinh:

that bit!

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dustybin:

the word update isnt even on the page

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justinh:

http://linuxtv.org/repo/

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justinh:

I beg to differ

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dustybin:

aye thanks

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justinh:

fucking idiot

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dustybin:

:(

[11:52:30]

clever:

he's done that to me a few times

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dustybin:

all i wanted to do was save their bandwidth :(

[11:54:56]

** dustybin hacks into justinh box and wipes recordings **

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lupin_sansei:

Hello, is there a quick/easy way to move a TV recording out of "recordings" and maybe move it to videos or something? I'd like a place to move my recordings to keep out of the main "recordings" place

[11:55:34]

willcooke:

oooh, the asus eee box looks like it would make a nice frontend

[11:56:08]

dustybin:

willcooke: any links?

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dustybin:

lupin_sansei: try manually moving them

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tank-man:

make a user job to copy the recording to the video dir

[11:56:39]

lupin_sansei:

dustybin: Hey my dog used to be called Dusty Bin! From 321 in the 80s

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jduggan:

willcooke: if you dont want HD, itd probably be great

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lupin_sansei:

I want to do it on demand rather than have it done automatically. I'm okay with perl. Is it hard to add my own custom menu option to call a perl script from the menu of a recording?

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tank-man:

you dont have to have user jobs run automatically

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lupin_sansei:

sorry I misread user as cron

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dustybin:

lupin_sansei: thats where my nick is from 3 2 1 :)

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lupin_sansei:

funny

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dustybin:

ted rogers ftw

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lupin_sansei:

yeah!

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lupin_sansei:

So how do you trigger a user job?

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justinh:

from the job options menu

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justinh:

in mythfrontend

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justinh:

or with mythweb

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lupin_sansei:

of course!

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willcooke:

dustybin, I just googled it.

[12:02:21]

dustybin:

in my .mythtv/lircrc file, i have specified: repeat = 3 for the arrows, but they dont repeat

[12:02:40]

justinh:

maybe delay=0

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willcooke:

jduggan, yeah, I'm thinking SD media extender in the bedroom, something like that.

[12:02:52]

justinh:

which means it'll never repeat

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lupin_sansei:

Okay so the ipod encode job option is like a sample one that comes with myth is it?

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** dustybin is half dyslexic and doesnt believe in google **

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justinh:

repeat after me. RTFM on lirc

[12:03:26]

justinh:

dustybin: you're a booby prize, that's certain

[12:04:12]

dustybin:

i will have to make a note of stop using ubuntu pages for advice

[12:04:16]

dustybin:

*to

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lupin_sansei:

So if I made my own perl script, I could just have a user job to move/copy a recording to the videos folder? That should work for me

[12:04:41]

justinh:

don't *move* a recording file to the videos dir

[12:05:06]

justinh:

not unless you also *delete* the corresponding entry from the recorded, recordedseek & recordedmarkup tables too

[12:05:27]

lupin_sansei:

I was thinking copy it, and make the target name something from the description – I will manually delete the recording through myth myself

[12:05:37]

lupin_sansei:

does that sound right?

[12:05:52]

clever:

mythname.pl is your friend

[12:05:58]

lupin_sansei:

thanks

[12:06:13]

justinh:

clever: mythrename.pl --link you mean

[12:06:18]

clever:

mythname.pl 1045_20080604085800.mpg -subtitle

[12:06:18]

clever:

Mean Green Machines:Smart Kart Smack Down

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lupin_sansei:

ripper

[12:06:30]

clever:

i mean just to fetch the name for when you copy

[12:06:34]

justinh:

mythname.pl ? wtf?!

[12:06:35]

lupin_sansei:

So I could copy them to a folder inside videos called "Archived Recordings"

[12:06:56]

justinh:

ahhh new to /contrib

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clever:

justinh: i found it in the contrib folder, one of the ffmpeg transcode scripts used it

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lupin_sansei:

thanks guys will try that out

[12:07:23]

clever:

when mythtranscode was segfaulting i hacked that into a userjob to make xvid transcodes

[12:07:31]

justinh:

mifty

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willcooke:

dustybin, http://www.hothardware.com/News/ASUS_Eee_Box_ . . . ails_Emerge/

[12:08:41]

justinh:

hahaha I forgot I made the ipodexport.pl script

[12:09:54]

justinh:

*last* *year* . wow

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clever:

i have been able to use the output of the script i found

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dustybin:

willcooke: bloody hell that looks nice

[12:10:03]

clever:

on my treo phone

[12:11:06]

willcooke:

dustybin, Indeed. With Gbit NIC as well which is nice.

[12:11:54]

justinh:

blimey. makes the mac mini look even more like a sound investment

[12:12:23]

justinh:

65W power adapter? whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

[12:12:30]

willcooke:

How much are the mini's going for these days?

[12:12:31]

dustybin:

$269 – 1GB memory + 80GB HDD Linux edition <-- cheaper than Â£400!

[12:12:41]

dustybin:

Â£400

[12:12:43]

justinh:

I thought it was a 'low power' dealy

[12:12:50]

willcooke:

2nd hand I mean

[12:12:57]

justinh:

willcooke: no point in 2nd hand

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willcooke:

65W seems massivly over spec'd

[12:13:13]

justinh:

it won't be

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dustybin:

Processor: Intel Atom N270 (1.6 GHz, FSB 533) <-- can that do HD? i dont think thats got 2 cores

[12:13:35]

justinh:

nobody wastes money on over-specced PSUs

[12:13:50]

justinh:

dustybin: lucky if it can do SD

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willcooke:

very true

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dustybin:

jeeze :(

[12:14:11]

justinh:

it could've been a contender...

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willcooke:

I reckon it'll handle SD fine

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justinh:

it might play SDTV mpeg2 but I wouldn't bet my house on it

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directhex:

an atom definitely won't do HD

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dustybin:

such a nice looking box

[12:15:29]

justinh:

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SHINY!

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directhex:

poing!

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justinh:

no optical drive either eh?

[12:16:07]

dustybin:

http://www.slashgear.com/asus-confirm-eee-box . . . -0211858.php

[12:16:14]

justinh:

many shiny boxes all plugged in together!

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Hoxzer:

gr8 55e for 1,2m DVI – HDMI cable ... :/

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EvilGuru:

A dual 1Ghz system can handle SD, so long as you do not want it de-interlaced

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justinh:

so, add optical USB drive, USB remote... starting to creep up to mac mini price already

[12:17:09]

justinh:

call the different a hundred quid

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justinh:

factor in h.264 HD then dismiss the atom box

[12:17:37]

justinh:

s/different/difference

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justinh:

because remember $269 != Â£269

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justinh:

oops... remember $269 IS Â£269 in PC gear terms

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justinh:

Â£400 for a HD capable frontend is bob all when you consider how much cash people *waste* on those junkboxes Aldi sell @ Â£800 a pop

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dustybin:

i put: repeat = 3 and delay = 1 for my arrow keys in the .mythtv/lircrc file, but nothing happens

[12:20:32]

justinh:

tried restarting mythfrontend?

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dustybin:

yep

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justinh:

only reads the file when it starts ya know

[12:21:00]

justinh:

do the arrow keys repeat in real life?

[12:21:10]

justinh:

does irw show this?

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dustybin:

justinh: my television light flickers, so yes

[12:21:19]

dustybin:

irw doesnt show a repeat

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EvilGuru:

3Ghz is what's needed for HD isn't it?

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justinh:

if irw doesn't show a repeat, then it's not repeating

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lowpac:

greez all

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justinh:

EvilGuru: at least a C2D 1.6Ghz for h.264 1080i with skiploopfilter turned off etc

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dustybin:

justinh: i got a feeling i need to re-install the linuxtv drivers, because that is what activated the remote on my Nova-T 500

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dustybin:

and repeat worked not long ago

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EvilGuru:

justinh: Is the decoding multi-threaded?

[12:22:41]

justinh:

I repeat ... if irw doesn't show a repeat, then it's not repeating

[12:22:59]

justinh:

EvilGuru: it can be, yes – but only any use if the stream is in slices

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lowpac:

have a little problem with live tv/player can i post that here?

[12:24:47]

justinh:

asking if you can ask is annoying, so just ask

[12:25:04]

lowpac:

^^ gg sry

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willcooke:

Hi Mihael,

[12:25:15]

willcooke:

oops

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dustybin:

justinh: the actual signal from my remote looks like its working, because when i hold down a button, my TV detects it, and the light flickers, so the problems not my remote. My .mythtv/lircrc has all the relevant repeat / delay bits in, so the only thing left is lirc itself or the driver what activated the remote on my Nova-T 500

[12:26:06]

justinh:

dustybin: how many more times? IF IRW SHOWS NO REPEAT THERE IS NO REPEAT

[12:26:13]

** dustybin confused **

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lowpac:

if im trying 2 play live tv i have a black screen for about 1/4 sec then is spawnig the main window and nothing more happens

[12:26:44]

justinh:

do other buttons show repeats in irw? i.e. when you hold them down you should see lots of output

[12:26:53]

stoffel:

anyone seeing this in top during mythtranscode: sfr 39 19 4203m 1.7g 3452 S 4 93.5 0:42.04 mythtranscode

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justinh:

lowpac: you haven't set up mythtv correctly. check the mythbackend log (usually in /var/log/mythtv)

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dustybin:

justinh: no keys repeat if i hold them down, about a month ago, the keys DID repeat

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stoffel:

it killed my backend twice due to the oom_killer triggering sonner or later

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justinh:

dustybin: so updating the driver has fucked it then

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justinh:

quel surprise!

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dustybin:

yep, more likely a debian lenny update messed it up

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dustybin:

maybe a kernel change

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justinh:

you'd be lucky lirc worked at all if the kernel had changed

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justinh:

maybe I should move next door to dustybin to test the curse

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dustybin:

i just launched a MASSIVE lenny update, this could be me configuring everything for the rest of the day

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justinh:

oops

[12:31:06]

dustybin:

i wanted to keep things as they were until lenny gets released, after this time i will

[12:31:12]

justinh:

yeah yeah

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dustybin:

this could now mean, re-compiling mythtv, plugins, zoneminder, mythstream, and various other tools

[12:32:16]

lowpac:

no log after nu install (2 am)

[12:32:34]

lowpac:

correct?

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justinh:

what?

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justinh:

applications tend to append log output to the end of log files, regardless

[12:34:07]

justinh:

hmm 19.5 holiday days left. I think at least 4 of those could be used up next week

[12:34:08]

lowpac:

i have no log messages after the new install (it wass 2 am )

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justinh:

what distro are you running, lowpac ?

[12:35:20]

lowpac:

debian sid

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lowpac:

last post after that i dit nwew install 2008-06–04 02:34:54.381 Database Schema upgrade complete, unlocking.

[12:35:47]

lowpac:

No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.

[12:35:47]

lowpac:

Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page

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lowpac:

of the general settings.

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justinh:

and the problem with that plain English error message is .... ?

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dustybin:

server:/usr/local/src/v4l-dvb# hg pull -u http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb

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dustybin:

pulling from http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb

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dustybin:

whoops wrong paste

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lowpac:

i havn't a problem with tis err message after that message i removed mythtv completly & new install (workarround because i had a database error ^^) dit configuration following the how2 in the frontend i see the tv stations epg i dint configure so i set it on eit because i dont need it (watching only analog tv) but if im trying to play tv it does hapen noting

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justinh:

eit is only for digital TV

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justinh:

stop mythbackend with its init script

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justinh:

then try running mythbackend from a terminal as the 'mythtv' user

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lowpac:

sry standaart install of mythtv what passw set on user mythtv?

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lowpac:

i dint set none

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justinh:

the 'mythtv' user's password is whatever YOU set it to

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lowpac:

k

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lowpac:

cant start it "operation not allowed"

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lowpac:

can start mythtv-backend only as user root

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lowpac:

sould i start mythtv-frontend also wit user mythtv?

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lowpac:

noting changed

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lowpac:

nothing

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lowpac:

any sugestions?

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justinh:

use mythbuntu ?

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lowpac:

^^^

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lowpac:

it doenst realy work with my card (hvr900bc02) is 2.6.24

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lowpac:

regarding on hauppauge need kernel 2.6.26

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lowpac:

after startin mythbackend with user mythtv hve 2 reconfigure the whole thing with mythtv-setup?

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justinh:

some folks are best left to fend for themselves

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PatrickDK:

heh

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justinh:

bet I'd have been a complete noobtard in here in november 2004

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justinh:

even my linux using friends left me to compile my own kernel with patches for the dvb tuner

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justinh:

served me right too :)

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PatrickDK:

hmm, 2004 I left linux on auto-pilot

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PatrickDK:

in 98 I was still doing kernel programming

[13:33:01]

PatrickDK:

but just don't have enough time anymore for that

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PatrickDK:

all your freetime just goes away once you get a job

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PatrickDK:

and then even more when you get a house and a wife

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directhex:

and a walrus

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justinh:

I had all the motivation I needed until I had a publically available email address

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willcooke:

and a walrus?

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dustybin:

remote repeats work again :)

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justinh:

nah none of that

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dustybin:

no more updating now

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justinh:

top tip – if stuff stops working cos you changed stuff, THAT'S WHY!

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directhex:

a walrus

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** PatrickDK wonders when the whole www craze is going to end, and we all go back to gopher **

[13:37:56]

directhex:

a walrus kickboxing addiction can suck away all your free time

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directhex:

it's what all the cool people are doing now instead of coke

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justinh:

I thought all the cool people were waiting to appear in Paris Hilton's next video

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directhex:

the centerpiece of which is where she takes on two walruses at once, ninja-style

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justinh:

walrus bukkake? eew

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dustybin:

justinh: with my VGA > SCART RGB box im using a 702x576 @ 25Hz interlaced modeline with it, would it be possible to use a non-interlaced modeline like 768x576 @ 50Hz ?

[13:43:30]

dustybin:

http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2625 <-- heres some examples and my modeline

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dustybin:

ModeLine "720x576i" 13.875 720 744 808 888 576 581 586 625 -hsync -vsync interlace <- im going to try this

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willcooke:

EEE BOX replacement that might do HD: http://gadgetshow.five.tv/jsp/5gsmain.jsp?lnk=101&id=897

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justinh:

dustybin: doubt it very much

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justinh:

the gadget show. heheheh. and the winner of the group test is... the only product our sponsor sells!

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directhex:

willcooke, it's a good thing nvidia gives accelerated HD under linux, right? Â¬_Â¬

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justinh:

directhex: bah. SDTV is the way forward. To the 1980s!

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dustybin:

the mythtv update has wiped my Home Control menu :(

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willcooke:

:)

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directhex:

justinh, widescreens are a tool to send people crazy with their black borders!

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justinh:

video recorders are a tool to enable the marketing of black plastic covered chipboard furniture!

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justinh:

not forgetting 'smoke effect' plastic so fragile it can explode when you look at it too hard

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justinh:

amazing how many people were quick to forget the noise VCRs made eh

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MukiEX:

I can't get Userjobs working >_<

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MukiEX:

Then again, I'm not even sure I coded this right

[14:01:31]

MukiEX:

http://pastebin.com/f460a86b6

[14:01:55]

MukiEX:

ack, wrong version >_<

[14:03:50]

MukiEX:

http://pastebin.com/m635b868b

[14:03:52]

MukiEX:

There we go

[14:04:08]

MukiEX:

Also, I can't get Winmyth working, but now I'm wondering if that's even possible in the first place

[14:04:31]

justinh:

winmyth hasn't worked for years

[14:04:49]

MukiEX:

Dag

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justinh:

MukiEX: locate ipodexport.pl :)

[14:05:17]

MukiEX:

justinh : I'll probably do that, but the issue is that it doesn't run *at all*

[14:05:34]

justinh:

is the script marked as executable? ;)

[14:05:41]

MukiEX:

My /home/mythtv/share doesn't have a single folder in it, and this is after half a dozen recordings

[14:05:48]

directhex:

use mythtv player for windows

[14:05:50]

justinh:

have you allowed user jobs to run at all?

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directhex:

or upnp

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MukiEX:

It's executable

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MukiEX:

I've turned on userjobs in every menu I could find that asks me to turn on userjobs.

[14:07:00]

MukiEX:

If there's a quick checklist to double-check this, I'd love to run through it

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justinh:

is the time userjobs run between correct for when you want it to run? ;)

[14:08:02]

justinh:

1. enable user jobs

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justinh:

2. make sure the time jobs are allowed to run between agrees with when you think they should be allowed to run

[14:08:38]

justinh:

3. make sure the scripts are not utter gash

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justinh:

there ya go. checklist

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justinh:

oops

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justinh:

4. make sure any output file writing is permitted

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MukiEX:

The time it gives me is the default, I think from midnight to a minute before midnight

[14:09:32]

MukiEX:

Does mythbackend run as a root process or a mythtv user process?

[14:09:41]

justinh:

mythtv, usually

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justinh:

so the mythtv user would have to have write access to the destination dir

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MukiEX:

a HA

[14:10:57]

MukiEX:

It seems myhtv isn't allowed to run the executable >_<

[14:10:59]

MukiEX:

I fail

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MukiEX:

o_0

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MukiEX:

I'm retarded >_<

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MukiEX:

Well, we'll see how this works out then.

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justinh:

well, hometime!

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willcooke:

walrus

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JohnMahowald:

lolrus

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dustybin:

are any of these athlon AM2 processors capable of doing HD playback:

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dustybin:

http://www.ebuyer.com/cat/Processors-AMD/subc . . . (Socket-940)

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directhex:

yes

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directhex:

look for about 2.7ghz minimum for an AMD chip

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directhex:

my gut says, anyway

[15:13:32]

dustybin:

i can see a few at 2.6

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dustybin:

AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Socket AM2 2.6GHz Energy Efficient L2 1MB (2x512KB) Cache Retail Boxed

[15:14:06]

dustybin:

MD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ (3GHz) Socket AM2 L2 2MB (2 x 1MB) Cache OEM Processo <-- this looks ok

[15:15:04]

dustybin:

if the chip is duo core

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dustybin:

AMD Athlon 64 4600+ X2 Socket AM2 Dual-Core OEM Processor <-- like this

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dustybin:

Clock Speed2.4 GHz

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dustybin:

would that run faster than a 1.8 intel duo core ?

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gbee:

my X2 3600+ does h.264

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laga:

gbee: 1080p from dvb sources?

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dustybin:

gbee: no problems at all?

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gbee:

that's 2Ghz, but I'd recommend a 4600

[15:16:44]

dustybin:

i could pick this up for 40 pounds

[15:16:46]

gbee:

laga: 1080i from DVB – no 1080p broadcast to test, not even sure anyone uses 1080p for broadcast?

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dustybin:

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ Socket AM2 (2.5GHz) L2 Cache 1MB OEM Processor

[15:16:58]

laga:

gbee: i think premiere does, but i'm not surer

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dustybin:

if i could find a cheap AM2 processor for this box, this could be the next best thing for a front end (apart from mac mini)

[15:17:55]

dustybin:

http://www.hipergroup.com/English/products/hmc-2k53a-a3.html

[15:17:58]

gbee:

it's not without problems, I had to optimise the build and turn off deblocking (which isn't needed for quality broadcast anyway) which is why I'd suggest something around 2.4–2.5

[15:19:13]

gbee:

does the mac mini offer HDMI?

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dustybin:

DVI = HDMI without sound ?

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directhex:

largely

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gbee:

if you don't want or need to feed the sound to your HD tv through HDMI then you're fine

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directhex:

turning off the loop filter is a BIG cpu saver, at interemined image quality cost

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dustybin:

gbee: is your AMD chip a duo core ?

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directhex:

i got the bbchd sample playing fine without the loop filter at around 1.3ghz on intel

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willcooke:

dustybin, I bought this: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/132064

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willcooke:

and it just manages HD

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gbee:

dustybin: yeah, x2 3600 – you NEED dual core for h.264 really

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gbee:

at least high res stuff

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dustybin:

aye ok

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dustybin:

i dont need HD yet but im thinking about the future

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gbee:

dustybin: best to do so :)

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directhex:

with all the h264 settings turned on, a 1.8ghz core2 is a minimum, so a 2.7ish am2 (or better) should cope

[15:23:15]

dustybin:

willcooke: that CPU will not fit into that box, unless i use a different mobo, thats an idea...

[15:23:48]

willcooke:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/131182

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willcooke:

dustybin, basically I built the cheapest HD capable front end I could, and it came out at.......

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gbee:

the 2Ghz 3600 does pretty well with the loop filter enabled, skips every 10 seconds or so with BBC HD

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dustybin:

willcooke: 399 ?

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willcooke:

gbee, where's the loop filter enabled, play back profiles?

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directhex:

gbee, that must involve some pretty heavy optimization – bbchd is hopeless on my 3800+ at home

[15:25:18]

gbee:

but since the quality of broadcast HD is pretty high compared to the over compressed download stuff you don't need the loop filter at all in my experience

[15:25:32]

gbee:

willcooke: you need to patch mythtv before it can be disabled

[15:26:22]

willcooke:

dustybin, 150 quid not including a case, another 50 quid for a HTPC case & PSU

[15:26:28]

gbee:

directhex: hardly, release build (debug/profile don't work) and --tune=k8-sse3

[15:26:36]

willcooke:

gbee, Ahh, ok – I'll leave it well alone for now then

[15:26:59]

dustybin:

willcooke: not bad

[15:27:04]

dustybin:

half the price of a mac mini

[15:27:37]

willcooke:

I got BBC HD working using OpenGL and turning on the sync to V blank or something

[15:27:45]

dustybin:

i im going to write a list of the bare essentials for HD playback then look around for the components

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willcooke:

dustybin, you want me to email you my ebuyer shopping list?

[15:28:01]

dustybin:

nope! :P

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gbee:

my HD FE/BE cost £140 (ignoring the drives and cards which I already had), that includes the case

[15:28:15]

dustybin:

willcooke: oh i miss read, yes please

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gbee:

all bought from Ebuyer

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gbee:

brushed aluminum case, very happy with it – except that I wish I'd spent an extra £10 getting the faster CPU

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gbee:

which ironically wouldn't have cost me any extra because the 2.5Ghz CPU isn't OEM and would have included the heatsink

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willcooke:

:)

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willcooke:

gbee, which case did you go for? I got this one: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135498 and it's not half bad actually

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gbee:

willcooke: http://miffteevee.co.uk/build/

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gbee:

heh

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willcooke:

ahh snap!

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gbee:

it's a VERY nice case IMHO

[15:32:31]

willcooke:

It looks pretty sweet with the power LED and HDD LED

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willcooke:

had to f about with the sticky pads to get the CD button to work

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gbee:

it's a lot better than some of the £100–200 cases I've seen

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gbee:

willcooke: really? just worked for me

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gbee:

I didn't connect the button to the drive in any way, it's held in position just by the drive behind it

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willcooke:

the button on my dvd drive sat too far back, so I had to bulk it out with the sticky pads that were used for sticking the alu. drawer front on

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gbee:

ahh

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dustybin:

can the open source intel linux drivers produce a tv-out s-video signal ?

[15:35:15]

gbee:

I'm going to buy another of those cases

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willcooke:

I keep thinking about going in to the "home server" business, that case would be spot on, if only the PSU fans were more quiet

[15:35:55]

laga:

dustybin: i think juski uses it

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directhex:

dustybin, yes. justinh uses it

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hadees:

check out http://atechfabrication.com/ for some of the nices cases i have ever seen

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dustybin:

aye ok

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hadees:

although they cost a small fortune

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willcooke:

gbee, I'm going to take the FP firewire connector out and put an IR LED in its place

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gbee:

willcooke: one problem I have with the cheap PSU is that the fan isn't as quiet as I'd like, but a fanless PSU doesn't cost much more

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willcooke:

I couldnt find one at the time – I might look in to that now then

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dustybin:

hadees: http://atechfabrication.com/products/mini_client_2500.htm very nice..

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hadees:

dustybin, i like the 6000

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hadees:

but it is kind of big

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dustybin:

i bet they cost a lot

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willcooke:

oh, dustybin that video card on my list – don't buy it – it doesnt do XvMC

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willcooke:

get the 5xxx 6xxx or 8xxx series instead

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hadees:

dustybin, well they are highly customizable but fully loaded the 6000 is like $1200 i remember correctly

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dustybin:

i already have a Asus 7600 GT

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dustybin:

willcooke: i stay away from XvMC anyway

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willcooke:

dustybin, probably not a bad idea! Don't really need it these days

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dustybin:

if your got the CPU power you might as well use it

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dustybin:

you

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willcooke:

http://www.wisdon.com.tw/en/

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justinh:

dustybin: are you a goldfish or what?

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justinh:

the open source intel video drivers can do svideo if the hardware is capable

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justinh:

and before you ask, no they can't yet do interlaced modes

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gbee:

willcooke: wouldn't mind this one in silver, same as the 410 we've got but with VFD and front panel connections hidden behind a flap – http://www.wisdon.com.tw/en/cpxx.asp?id=976

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justinh:

and wtf is all this 'walrus' bollix about anyway?

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willcooke:

gbee, nice – the VFD would be really handy. I like this one: http://www.wisdon.com.tw/en/cpxx.asp?id=987

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willcooke:

justinh, ask directhex he started

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willcooke:

it

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** iamlindoro__ buys that case name a couple of vowels **

[15:49:15]

iamlindoro__:

"ewsdn?"

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justinh:

hope he doesn't start taking heroin then

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gbee:

willcooke: that's nice, though not much smaller than the 410

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gbee:

well actually larger in two dimensions

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justinh:

if I ever end up with a case that big I may aswell make my box an all-in-one

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gbee:

all-in-one simplifies things

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justinh:

not much though

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justinh:

then again I'm running 2 different versions of ubuntu on my setup

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Pryon:

Is there any way to tell how much those things cost?

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justinh:

yeah. look for them in online shops

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gbee:

Pryon: the cases willcooke linked to?

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Pryon:

gbee: yeah. I'll take justinh's advice :-)

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justinh:

if the manufacturer website has a dealer locator, use that

[16:00:38]

gbee:

well the HTPC-410 costs £40 from Ebuyer – quite a bit less than a comparable Silverstone

[16:00:43]

justinh:

sometimes I find it reassuring that not everybody has the google-fu of a cyber-stalker :P

[16:01:03]

justinh:

only *sometimes*

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gbee:

gives a guide as to their price range

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Pryon:

The reason I asked before googling is that there's a buy button, but I seem to be not running the proper browser

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dustybin:

justinh: if i was to build a HD & SDTV compatible front end, the only choice i have is nvidia

[16:01:59]

justinh:

ahh your precious vga-scart because your TV sucks :)

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dustybin:

because the open source intel drives cannot do interlaced modes

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gbee:

dustybin: really? that's a shame since ATi's s-video picture quality is so much better

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justinh:

you still need to deinterlace anyway

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dustybin:

gbee: mythtv doesnt support ATI

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justinh:

mythtv doesn't support nvidia either

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laga:

rotfl

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justinh:

nor intel

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dustybin:

nor does richard stallman

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iamlindoro__:

Don't tell Gbee's working ATI box that

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gbee:

dustybin: WTF? I think we do ;)

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willcooke:

Pryon, I think their OEM manufactures – you'd need to buy thousands before they'd speak to you. Or – go in to business importing them.

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wagner:

mythtv just uses whatever linux supports

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justinh:

if the video driver isn't impotent regarding Xv, it'll work great

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justinh:

end of story

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justinh:

and whaddya know, ATI are starting to catch the boat

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dustybin:

justinh: how is your s-video output from intel graphics? any problems?

[16:03:57]

justinh:

I refuse to answer that question again

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justinh:

not until I figure out how to program a function key to spit out the answer

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Andreaz:

lol

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dustybin:

the mac mini is super duper, but it cannot do SDTV interlaced modes

[16:07:54]

dustybin:

im gonna build a front end what can do SDTV for now and also be able to handle HD for the future

[16:08:06]

justinh:

s/what/which

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Lynet:

What 'bout the AppleTV? Does it support the required outputs and has enough cpu oomph?

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wagner:

required outputs... yes, enough cpu... no

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justinh:

appletv can't do SDTV output without adaptors

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wagner:

really?

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justinh:

not RGB anyway

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iamlindoro__:

And software hacks too

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willcooke:

dustybin, you could always just buy a PS3

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wagner:

thats not really a good solution either

[16:11:21]

wagner:

youre either stuck in the firmware using UPnP

[16:11:38]

wagner:

and either your video fits within the limited subset that the PS3 supports

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justinh:

*and audio*

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GreyFoxx:

a popcorn hour looks nifty

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wagner:

or you have to run some alternate upnp server that supports transcoding

[16:12:02]

GreyFoxx:

supports tons of codecs/containers, upnp, smb, nfs, etc etc

[16:12:24]

wagner:

or you run linux.... are there versions of mplayer or ffmpeg that support the cell yet?

[16:12:28]

justinh:

only problem with standalone boxes with onboard acceleration is no more timestretch (sob)

[16:12:34]

wagner:

or do they all just run a PPC build?

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dustybin:

justinh: what setup do you have at home? are you using 1 combined backend/frontend box?

[16:13:26]

justinh:

time-mangling is *easily* the most heavily used mythtv feature in my house

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wagner:

sadly, ive had a PS3 since they came out, and i havent done anything more on linux than install it

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** GreyFoxx wonders what a low cost bluray player goes for these days **

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GreyFoxx:

any hit the sub $200 mark yet ?:)

[16:14:08]

gbee:

no themed osd :o0

[16:14:09]

jblack:

justinh: Hmm. Timestretch works fine for me with laptops, and they have onboard video

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wagner:

i think theyre all nearly the same price as the low end PS3

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jblack:

That's the speedup/slowdown with that you're referring to, no?

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gbee:

no PIP and PBP etc

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willcooke:

on the plus side, you get a PS3

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justinh:

let the record show my backend is upstairs in a big noisy fugly box fitted with 3 HDDs, 3 dvb-t tuners and athlon 2000xp. my frontend is a netbooted C2D 1.83Ghz mobile CPU system based on an Aopen mobile cpu friendly socket M motherboard with 1GB ram

[16:15:56]

Lynet:

GreyFoxx: It is kinda silly. After the HD-DVD vs bluray war, instead of dropping prices to something sensible they just keep them high. Probably all a plot to make people switch to online video instead.

[16:15:58]

gbee:

I'd prefer a PS3 in addition to a proper frontend ;)

[16:16:14]

justinh:

jblack: I was talking about these 'media extenders' which could theoretically perform as frontends. they all have effing puny CPUs & offload all the video to decoder hardware

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, There's a recent $349 one, but for my money the $399 PS3 is still probably the sweet spot

[16:16:49]

** GreyFoxx wants easy bluray under linux darn it :) thenI'd just get a player there :) **

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GreyFoxx:

I'm ready to start spending cash on bluray content

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justinh:

HD players don't yet have the kind of market penetration required to achieve low prices

[16:17:18]

GreyFoxx:

just chaps my ass paying that much for a player

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GreyFoxx:

if we had a simple software playback I'd be happy

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dustybin:

justinh: so you frontend is HD friendly then

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dustybin:

your

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justinh:

there's still a lot of development cost to recoup

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Lynet:

Overpriced. Over-DRM'ed. Over-hyped.

[16:18:00]

justinh:

it'll play BBC HD no problem :)

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dustybin:

nice

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justinh:

Lynet: it's a consumer good. of course it's over-egged in every area

[16:18:34]

dustybin:

justinh: what graphics gpu does it use

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justinh:

intel

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dustybin:

any particular model or are they all ok

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justinh:

silent playing SDTV but really needs a new case to allow efficient cooling for HD playback

[16:19:21]

justinh:

i945 IIRC

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dustybin:

oh yes ok

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justinh:

I was a skinflint & didn't get the one which comes with a 1U heatsink

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dustybin:

so your using a DVI > SCART convertor what plugs into your TV ?

[16:20:11]

dustybin:

what uses s-video signals

[16:20:28]

dustybin:

because your virgin box uses the RGB ?

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justinh:

no I'm using the onboard svideo output

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dustybin:

ok

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justinh:

it's only on RGB cos that's AV1 but I've been talking about relegating it

[16:22:01]

justinh:

I wish manufacturers would make RGB output from TV encoders possible by at least bringing the extra signal out from under the BGA. bastards

[16:22:34]

justinh:

then again now ATI are starting to get a clue.. they've had RGB scart output for ages

[16:23:01]

dustybin:

justinh: how much did your frontend cost in total roughly?

[16:23:10]

justinh:

actually what's the point though.. in 5 years time 3x more of us will be reddy for de hood

[16:23:25]

justinh:

putting the epia shit in the bin Â£0

[16:23:42]

justinh:

motherboard & cpu from ebay, about Â£90

[16:23:51]

justinh:

1GB stick of DDR2.. about Â£20

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dustybin:

what about the time spend dealing with ebay tards ?

[16:24:05]

justinh:

I wasn't in a hurry

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dustybin:

hehe

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justinh:

when you're buying a CPU for Â£65 which retails at nigh on Â£200 ...

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dustybin:

not bad, half the price of a mac mini

[16:25:48]

justinh:

Â£110 is not half the price of a mac mini

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justinh:

if it was, I'd have just bought a mac mini

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dustybin:

jeeze is that all

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dustybin:

what about psu and case

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justinh:

90 + 20 == 110

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justinh:

already had them

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dustybin:

aye ok

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dustybin:

is your mobo full size ATX

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justinh:

dunno

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justinh:

aopen i945GMm-HL

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justinh:

mATX

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dustybin:

nice

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dustybin:

thanks for info, i gotta go to work now, laterz

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gbee:

seriously, you don't need to spend more than £150 for cpu, mobo, case (graphics on mobo) and probably less if you aren't allergic to AMD/ATi

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gbee:

PSU too

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gbee:

and ram

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justinh:

got caught out by the 'socket 479' nomenclature. within 's479' there's 'socket M' and 'socket P' DUH. some C2D mobile chips come in M, some in P. Both are incompatible

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gbee:

that's shitty

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justinh:

sold the one bought in error on, got Â£20 more than I paid for it

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wagner:

so after shipping, ebay fees, you were about even?

[16:29:53]

justinh:

nope

[16:29:57]

justinh:

still Â£20 up

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justinh:

profit is gooooood

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iamlindoro__:

http://www.threadless.com/product/1215/8_Bit_Investigation

[16:30:40]

iamlindoro__:

Best. shirt. Evar.

[16:31:36]

justinh:

</sarcasm>

[16:32:11]

iamlindoro__:

No, really! Cracked me up, anyway.

[16:32:32]

iamlindoro__:

then again, this is a close second place: http://www.boingboing.net/2008/06/04/robots-no-follow-tee.html

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justinh:

argghh they only have Stallman size left in stock :(

[16:33:58]

justinh:

hmmm if I get my crayons out again & don't move from my workstation I could grow into it

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iamlindoro__:

Sometimes I feel like IRC is just one big Infocom text adventure

[16:35:42]

** iamlindoro__ is likely to be eaten by a grue. **

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gbee:

going round and round in circles? Yes, I can see it

[16:36:45]

iamlindoro__:

Put towel on grate. Put mail in front of flap. Lie down. Press button on vending machine

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** iamlindoro__ watches as a babel fish arcs through the air and lands with a satisfying "SHLOOP!" in gbee's ear. **

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wagner:

must have big ears

[16:38:30]

iamlindoro__:

babelfish are designed for ears!

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GreyFoxx:

w

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MukiEX:

The %FILE% in my userjob doesn't seem to work right.

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MukiEX:

Instead of getting 1054_20080604115600.mpg , I get 20080604115600.mpg

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MukiEX:

Well that is, instead of getting 1054_20080604115600, I get 20080604115600

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MukiEX:

Is 1054_ the job ID?

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wagner:

1054_ is the tuner and channel

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gbee:

no the channel id

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MukiEX:

Oh, okay

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iamlindoro__:

1054 = encoder one, channel 54

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wagner:

tuner 1, channel 54

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iamlindoro__:

wagner is right, tuner is correct, encoder is not

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MukiEX:

That doesn't seem to be a userjob option.

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iamlindoro__:

my bad

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MukiEX:

Is there a way to a. get that number sent to the UJ or b. eliminate it from recording?

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iamlindoro__:

%FILE% includes the complete filename for me

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MukiEX:

o_o

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MukiEX:

dag

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wagner:

i only even used userjobs for some flash video hack in 0.19

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gbee:

%CHANID% but like iamlindoro__ said, %FILE% should include the full filename

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wagner:

and then i never actually used it, because i didnt want to have a bunch of extra video files filling up my hard drive...

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gbee:

I only use it for justinh's dvb to mp3 script

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gbee:

which I use about once every six months

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iamlindoro__:

i use it in a number of scripts, usually as, in quotes, "%DIR%/%FILE%"

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MukiEX:

Yeah, that's what I thought it'd be, but for some odd reason I don't get tuner/channel in %FILE%

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gbee:

sure it's not whatever script or application that you are running which is ignoring everything before _ and after .

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gbee:

?

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gbee:

which version? trunk might be having problems as a result of the QT4 switch

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MukiEX:

gbee : I'm about to try that

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wagner:

yeah, try just making a job, that all it does is echo those lines to a file

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MukiEX:

Actually, the last thing my script does IS echo everything it runs to a file, just to make sure

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MukiEX:

Well, we'll see in 15 minutes ^_^

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iamlindoro__:

MukiEX, Just to be clear, gbee was *not* suggesting that you use trunk, rather the opposite

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MukiEX:

iamlindoro__ : I know, I'm not compiling, but I have no clue how to run a userjob on anything other than a scheduled recording ^_^;

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gbee:

from the watch recordings menu, right arrow, "Job Options"

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MukiEX:

gbee : thanks!

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MukiEX:

It works~! =3

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directhex:

so do firefighters. they do a fine job, too

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beandog:

heh

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MukiEX:

A HA

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MukiEX:

My other problem is that most titles have more than one word in them >_<

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MukiEX:

And as such, using $1 doesn't seem to cut it....

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MukiEX:

Is there a way around this?

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directhex:

speech marks?

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MukiEX:

Well, using $1/$2/$3 etc

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MukiEX:

So "%FILE%" ?

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MukiEX:

ha HA, thanks =3

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MukiEX:

Well, "%TITLE%" , actually

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kormoc:

$*?

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directhex:

&&^$^&"Â£$!

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MukiEX:

Great, now everything works except mkdir >_<

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MukiEX:

I was wrong, it works =3

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famicom:

oyoyoyoyoyyo

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famicom:

ey

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famicom:

whats the deal with xmltv

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famicom:

mythtv cant find my grabbers

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laga:

it prolly times out

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famicom:

actually

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famicom:

http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-596401.html

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famicom:

that describes it bst

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directhex:

famicom, when running as your mythbackend's user, does "tv_grab_uk_rt --capabilities" return anything?

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famicom:

yeah

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famicom:

it does

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directhex:

what?

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famicom:

mythtv@epia:~$ tv_grab_uk_rt --capabilities

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famicom:

baseline

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famicom:

manualconfig

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famicom:

cache

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famicom:

preferredmethod

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kormoc:

famicom, please don't spam the channel

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famicom:

YEAH

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famicom:

my bad

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directhex:

well, baseline is there. it ought to work

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directhex:

run mythtv-setup in a console, look for errors

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famicom:

analog tv is a complete and utter pain in the ass

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famicom:

probably that script tv_find_grabbers

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famicom:

tv_find_grabbers exited early or we timed out waiting

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** famicom googles **

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MukiEX:

If I enable mythtranscode, does it default to just cutting commercials?

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justinh:

nope

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MukiEX:

How tricky is the setup to have it cut commercials before the userjob runs? (and so that the userjob runs on the completed cut file)

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justinh:

unless you tell mythtranscode to cut commercials it won't. and by that I mean you have to edit the recording & load the commercial flags into the editor with Z, then transcode

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MukiEX:

There's no way to have it automatically do that?

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justinh:

I wouldn't, if I were you – unless you won't mind having the cutpoints in the wrong places. it sometimes happens

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justinh:

there IS a way to do it. look in the wiki

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MukiEX:

Cool.

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justinh:

my answer to transcoding is a bigger disk :)

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MukiEX:

So it's something I shouldn't do until I'm done watching a show and can verify that commercial-cutting is happening correctly?

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justinh:

and don't keep much, if anything

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justinh:

or just edit the show & load the commercial cutlist with Z

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MukiEX:

Ah.

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justinh:

then you can check it more quickly without watching it

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MukiEX:

Can MythArchive run commercial cutting if I'm cool with the existing flags?

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justinh:

yup

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MukiEX:

rawk, I might just do that then

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justinh:

you have to tell it to, though

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MukiEX:

That's fine

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justinh:

<3 commercial free TV :D

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directhex:

you watch bbc!

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MukiEX:

I thought BBC was the easiest the commercial-kill.

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MukiEX:

Tho last time I heard about that was who knows how many years ago.

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MukiEX:

That on BBC, commercials come in 15 minute blocks after the show's over.

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justinh:

no adverts on BBC channels splitting up shows

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MukiEX:

Which sounds awesome, mind you

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justinh:

and what 'adverts' there are, are only for other BBC shows

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MukiEX:

Actually, for the show I'm recording, I don't think mythtv's really going to have any false positives.

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justinh:

apart from the nasty toned ones about TV Licensing

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MukiEX:

I guess if I put it in its own group it'd be a better idea tho.

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justinh:

a good idea :)

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justinh:

pity there aren't any commflag-savvy devs in the UK who could help tighten up detection

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MukiEX:

heh

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justinh:

wonder if mediaportal's flagger is any good at UK channel habits

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directhex:

if channel = qvc then flag() until false;

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MukiEX:

Question : mythtranscode --honorcutlist --showprogress -i $VIDEODIR/$FILENAME -o $VIDEODIR/$FILENAME.tmp

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MukiEX:

Does mythtranscode in this setting default to lossless?

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MukiEX:

If it's an MPEG-2 file I mean

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justinh:

you need the --mpeg2 option I think

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justinh:

aka -m

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MukiEX:

Sweet, thanks

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iamlindoro__:

--mpeg2 won't work with -i though

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iamlindoro__:

you will need to use --chanid and --starttime

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justinh:

great application for a user job :)

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justinh:

heh doesnt look like MP's flagging tool does any better of a job

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justinh:

still the holy grail

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justinh:

bastards. http://www.kaashoek.com/comskip/ – free not open source

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, I was just looking for exactly that to link you to

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justinh:

nor is http://www.dragonglobal.biz/

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justinh:

oh wait you CAN get the source for comskip

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MukiEX:

iamlindoro__ : so like this? : mythtranscode --honorcutlist --showprogress -m -c $EP_CHAN -s $EP_STIME -o $VIDEODIR/$FILENAME.tmp

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MukiEX:

EP_CHAN being %CHANID% and EP_STIME being %STARTTIME%

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justinh:

well, comskip includes source from libmpeg2, so they better be GPL

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justinh:

MukiEX: that's it

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iamlindoro__:

--mpeg2, but yes

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iamlindoro__:

oh whoops

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iamlindoro__:

sorry, didn't see -m there

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directhex:

justinh, svn://svn.kaashoek.com

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MukiEX:

;)

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justinh:

comskip is GPL

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justinh:

though whether it's actually doing anything better than mythtv does remains to be seen

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iamlindoro__:

At least one of those windows only tools is heavily based on mythcommflag anyway IIRC

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iamlindoro__:

s/based on/forked from/

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directhex:

boobs.

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laga:

directhex: yay

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kormoc:

directhex, tease...

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justinh:

#include "NuppelVideoPlayer.h"

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justinh:

#include "mythcontext.h"

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justinh:

found you out, comskip

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MukiEX:

I forget, how do you group programs into different userjob setups?

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justinh:

rm -rf svn.kaashoek.com/ in that case

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, sloppy

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kormoc:

is kaashoek daniel k?

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justinh:

dunno

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iamlindoro__:

Not unless he's using GBPVR as his PVR now :)

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iamlindoro__:

http://svn.kaashoek.com/

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iamlindoro__:

mouseover "PVR"

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directhex:

kormoc, i feel ill. only the constant thought of boobs is making life worthwhile

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justinh:

daniel k's surname isn't spelled 'kaashoek', that much I do know

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kormoc:

kk

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iamlindoro__:

Kristjanse....mumblemuble...

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kormoc:

cause there was talk of DK porting mythcommflag to standalone

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justinh:

some guy called Erik

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kormoc:

I could very well just be that confused

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justinh:

I think I remember talk about mythcommflag going standalone a while back too

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MukiEX:

iamlindoro__ : If this script (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Script_- . . . ommercials), with the previous mentioned modifications, runs mythcommflag anyway, should I remove running it for the shows that're going to have this script run through it?

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iamlindoro__:

MukiEX, I beleive that was the script author's intention, yes.

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MukiEX:

cool, thanks

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th1:

hi, I have sometimes a problem that if my frontend crashes (separate PC) then the backend will still show that tuner as watching TV, and never snaps out of it even if I reboot the frontend it'll use another tuner, so sometimes I have no tuners left and miss recordings..:( is there a way to free up the tuner from the crashed frontend without restarting the backend?

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justinh:

solution is not to use livetv :P

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th1:

hardly a "solution" justinh ;)

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MukiEX:

Have you double checked : ps aux | grep -i mythfront just to make sure it's dead?

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justinh:

we need a jingle like the EA one.. "record everything" instead of "challenge everything" ;)

[19:29:20]

iamlindoro__:

Ditching LiveTV is the solution to MANY of life's woes

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th1:

justinh, the whole PC is crashed. it's frontend on a separate machine

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MukiEX:

WOFL

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MukiEX:

Oh, well there goes my guess.

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justinh:

if I still watched livetv I wouldn't here now to antagonise you

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th1:

well I wouldn't watch livetv but my wife does

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justinh:

s/wouldn't/wouldn't be

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justinh:

so cure her too :)

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th1:

hehe

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justinh:

more time for er.. quality time

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iamlindoro__:

th1, Few if any of the devs use LiveTV, and so some problems go unnoticed, and since few if any of the devs watch liveTV, there may not be a great rush to *fix* it either

[19:30:33]

th1:

the thing is some friend of hers on the phone will go "wheee lookit this on bbc 4 bla bla" and she'll go and watch it

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justinh:

look at this thing you've missed a crucial beginning of..

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th1:

iamlindoro, it doesn't mean it *shouldn't* be fixed ;)

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iamlindoro__:

th1, Yes, but *you* may be the one fixing it

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justinh:

unreported bugs cannot be fixed :)

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th1:

well I'll report the bug then. . as for fixing it, it doesn't seem like the simplest thing to get started on..

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justinh:

anyway – a woman has friends who watch bbc4? :-O you mean they're not all brain-dead fans of Holby City & Britain's Got (NO) Talent?

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iamlindoro__:

Hello, I have $BUG! I can't fix it because $EXCUSE!

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th1:

justinh, lol

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th1:

it was just an example I really don't care what she watches ;)

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** justinh goes back to his knitting **

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th1:

the problem is less bad now that I have 3 tuners, when I only had 2 it was a real bummer sometimes

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justinh:

didn't I see a patch some time ago which sought to address that very problem? rogue tuners doing their own thing?

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th1:

well, if the bugtracker wasn't down I'd be searching for something like it;)

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iamlindoro__:

th1, Are you running .21?

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th1:

yes

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iamlindoro__:

justinh, I seem to recall the same

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justinh:

whoah svn.mythtv.org is a bit er..

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iamlindoro__:

gefucktet?

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th1:

reasonable observation

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justinh:

maybe it was only a discussion on a mailing list I read

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th1:

If some dev wants to fix this tuner problem I'll donate $50 to the project..:)

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th1:

after all it's the software I use the most

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justinh:

no donations possible for the project as a whole

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iamlindoro__:

Everyone's too busy trying to get stoth's free HD-PVR right now

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th1:

aww

[19:36:04]

th1:

I'll donate it to a free software charity of ur choice then

[19:36:14]

justinh:

FSF, no question

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iamlindoro__:

pfft, you can paypal it to the dev, bet they'd like that :)

[19:36:21]

th1:

good :) donated $1000 to them last year

[19:36:42]

justinh:

and not one of them has had a fricken hair cut yet

[19:36:48]

th1:

hehe

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iamlindoro__:

They're well fed, though

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th1:

they do an important job..

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MukiEX:

bbl, thanks for the help, iamlindoro__

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asathoor:

how can I log on as the mythtv-user in ubuntu?

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iamlindoro__:

MukiEX, np

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** justinh points at #ubuntu-mythtv **

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RyeBrye:

How fine-grained is the tuner priority settings? For intsance – say I get an HD-PVR that I want to use in connection with a digital cable-box's component-out, and an HD Home Run that I will use with two ATSC feeds... and a PVR-500 card for standard cable stuff...

[19:38:12]

laga:

asathoor: you can't

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th1:

asathoor, why would you want to do that?

[19:38:28]

asathoor:

ok, thanx

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iamlindoro__:

RyeBrye, pretty fine grained from -20 to 20 IIRC

[19:38:45]

RyeBrye:

For individual chnnels?

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justinh:

channels have priorities too

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asathoor:

because I have to place my xmltv file in /home/mythtv/.mythtv

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RyeBrye:

Ok, good

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iamlindoro__:

Well then that's not *tuner* priority, it's chanel priority

[19:39:08]

iamlindoro__:

but yes

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iamlindoro__:

channel

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justinh:

shows have priority too!

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th1:

asathoor, ok you can type "sudo su – mythtv"

[19:39:21]

RyeBrye:

Well... tuner and channel priority I mean...

[19:39:24]

iamlindoro__:

boobs have priority

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iamlindoro__:

then eating

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iamlindoro__:

then computers

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asathoor:

ok, i'll try

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RyeBrye:

Such as HD-PVR should be the #1 recorder if nothing else is active – but if 2 shows are active, the one that can only be recorded on the HD-PVR should be recorded on that one... etc

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justinh:

we see plenty of boobs in here. not many mammarian ones though

[19:40:22]

iamlindoro__:

alas, alack

[19:40:23]

asathoor:

I get a $ prompt and cannot ls

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RyeBrye:

I'd just throw more HD-PVR's at it, but then I'd have to get more digital cable boxes... and those are $10 a month from my cable compnay

[19:40:41]

iamlindoro__:

that's because Ubuntu disables the mythtv user

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th1:

asathoor then just sudo -i and put the file there as root, but then remember to change the owner to mythtv

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iamlindoro__:

or, at least, disables his shell

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asathoor:

ok

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th1:

I think a project to improve the livetv features would be useful

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asathoor:

so I should run the grapper as root and change the owner?

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iamlindoro__:

Opinions without patches generally fall on deaf ears

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th1:

asathoor, I don't really know because I don't use xmltv myself.

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th1:

but it sounds about right

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asathoor:

try one can ... 8-)

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justinh:

iamlindoro__: s/generally/always

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iamlindoro__:

justinh, I know, I'm just trying a new "not immediately cut people off at the knees thing"

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iamlindoro__:

I'm hating it.

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asathoor:

th1 > how do you get the listings then?

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th1:

asathoor, from eit

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iamlindoro__:

Listings faeries

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iamlindoro__:

They come in at night, knock up your wife, steal your car, and leave you listings.

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th1:

;)

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Andreaz:

but not in xml youve to convert them... :)

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asathoor:

interesting stuff eit, i'll look into it...

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iamlindoro__:

it's where justinh's car went, just ask him

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th1:

asathoor, it just works if you have it and if you don't you can't get it ;)

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Andreaz:

here is working fine on dvb-t except 4 stations...

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th1:

it seems to work on all my dvb-t stations, at least all the ones I'm interested in

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asathoor:

th1 > aha, so I'll just hope it's there...

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Andreaz:

the 4 stations not transmitting any eit, i think – no matter...

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** iamlindoro__ reads about Windows users of the HD-PVR talking about the 1080i capture of a two and a half hour movie being "too big" @ 5.7 GB **

[19:49:05]

Andreaz:

hrhr

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iamlindoro__:

Whereas if it were me, I would be cranking that bitrate way up

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th1:

asathoor, if you look in mythbackend.log you should see things with EIT if it is there

[19:49:32]

asathoor:

th1 > is EIT the same as "use onairguide"?

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th1:

yeah sounds like it

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asathoor:

th1 > ok

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asathoor:

th1 > perhaps I could use EIT then :)

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th1:

asathoor, if you get listings after the backend has been running for a while, then it's working

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asathoor:

well i'll mark the channels and just see what happens

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: So, I haven't been here in a few days... have you got your HD-PVR working yet? ;-)

[19:51:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro__ ^^^^

[19:52:02]

iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A, If you mean "powering up and giving lsusb output," then yes, it's working perfectly!

[19:52:09]

iamlindoro__:

If you mean "capturing video..." Well, no :)

[19:52:14]

iamlindoro__:

no drivers just yet

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RyeBrye:

I take it the IR drivers are goign to take a while to get working too, right?

[19:52:48]

RyeBrye:

Or is anyone going to bother with that piece of it?

[19:53:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro__: Well, that's a start... How much longer will the drivers take do you think?

[19:53:12]

kormoc:

RyeBrye, there was talk saying the ir was a standard piece already supported by lirc, should be simple

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iamlindoro__:

RyeBrye, janneg would be the one to ask, but from my inquiry about them, they are common and well understood hardware (i2c w/ Zilog chips)

[19:53:21]

RyeBrye:

That's good about the IR.

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iamlindoro__:

whoops, jinx

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iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A, I would rather not speculate as I don't want to make promises on anyone else's behalf

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asathoor:

th1 > thanx for helping me

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th1:

no problem

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RyeBrye:

If I knew anything about USB drivers, I'd offer to lend a hand... but it will be a month or two before I will buy one of them anyway

[19:54:21]

iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A, I know that a lot of the work is done, so I would venture to say that we are the lion's share of the way there

[19:55:12]

iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A, and that intentions are for there to be a somewhat working release in the near future, but there is at least one technical hurdle being worked on

[19:56:07]

iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A, #hdpvr now exists if you are interested

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th1:

iamlindoro, what's hdpvr about?

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kormoc:

th1, the hd pvr

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iamlindoro__:

th1, discussion germane to the development of the Hd-PVr driver

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RyeBrye:

/join #hdpvr

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RyeBrye:

oops

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro__: Well, it's aswesome that support is right around the corner... ;-)

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** RyeBrye scratches head **

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, 10 years later...

[19:57:55]

iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A, yeah, someone will be owed more than a few beers

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th1:

it's a new capture card?

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kormoc:

th1, yes

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RyeBrye:

It's a USB capture device that sucks in component HD and spits out h.264

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kormoc:

it's a h264 pump?

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th1:

nice.. so can be used with sky HD etc?

[19:58:47]

kormoc:

th1, assuming they didn't disalbe your component, yes

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iamlindoro__:

th1, It can be used with any box w/ component outputs, so yes

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RyeBrye:

Some might say it's exploiting the "analog hole" but those people would probably be people who dont' like fair use... etc

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th1:

I have a HDMI to Componetn converter box

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RyeBrye:

It also has composite input... but I don't know who would ever use it for composite

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iamlindoro__:

I guess if you had an SD source you *really* wanted in h.264... but you're right, I certainly won't

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RyeBrye:

I assume that HDMI to component can't handle HDCP or whatever

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th1:

it can

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iamlindoro__:

RyeBrye, yeah, there are a number that strip HDCP

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RyeBrye:

That's cool

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th1:

I don't use it for that though, I use it to convert my Mythfrontend pc's output to component so I can run it over cat6 cable with baluns

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th1:

how much is that HD to H.264 grabber card?

[20:02:37]

iamlindoro__:

$250

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th1:

not bad

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iamlindoro__:

Or you can get a free one if you can solve stoth's challenge in time

[20:03:16]

iamlindoro__:

#hdpvr for more on that

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th1:

well, I don't have skype or virgin HD so I don't really need it;)

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th1:

if it worked well I might get it though

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th1:

s/skype/sky/

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justinh:

no point in getting one in the UK

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justinh:

none whatsoever

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justinh:

component output on UK HD boxes is soon to be a thing of the past

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iamlindoro__:

There's still HDMI->Component for the rich and fabulous

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justinh:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/icon.png

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asathoor:

bye

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justinh:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/2.png &ndas h; now I'm liking these new icons

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fontpo:

programme!!??

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keith4:

fontpo: lots of non-US folks here

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fontpo:

word. i was just kidding.

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fontpo:

which i'm sure was completely obvious, in retrospect

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justinh:

yeah thank whoever did the British translations :D

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justinh:

I'm such a pedant I'd either have found out how to change spellings or I'd have stopped using mythtv

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arsla:

i am trying to set up mythtv on debian etch with bt878 analogue card

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arsla:

(unknown manufacturer) – xawtv gets the signal but myth cannot get anything on composite 1 – says no signal

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arsla:

signal input is "cable tv" box

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arsla:

any hints for me please?

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mirak:

hi

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mirak:

is there something special to do to plug a hdmi tv on linux ?

[21:15:24]

beandog:

not really.

[21:15:33]

kormoc:

well, you'd need a hdmi cable, and something that outputs hdmi...

[21:15:36]

mirak:

I have a nvidia 6600gt

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beandog:

just hope your TV doesnt have crappy firmware.

[21:15:49]

mirak:

it's a new sony

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mirak:

it works on windows

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mirak:

some people did the test

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beandog:

ah, Sony

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mirak:

on linux I don't know, I am trying

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beandog:

which model?

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mirak:

W4000

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beandog:

mine's a Sony as well, works fine.

[21:16:21]

beandog:

after tweaking xorg.conf a bit

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mirak:

how do you do ?

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beandog:

just plug it in, turn it on

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mirak:

beandog: what model is that ?

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beandog:

KDF60E something

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mirak:

fullhd ?

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beandog:

yah

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mirak:

can you send me your xorg ?

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beandog:

mine actually has a VGA port on it, so I'm using that now. But I've used both.

[21:16:59]

th1:

is it possible to watch interlaced TV in native resolution?

[21:17:16]

th1:

like have Myth switch X mode over to the correct one?

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beandog:

mirak, nope, I'm locked out of my box ... sshd isnt running, and I havent bothered to figure out why yet

[21:17:39]

mirak:

k

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kormoc:

that's weird

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kormoc:

anytime my dog got into the beans, everything ran

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kormoc:

hell, even the paint peeled off of the walls

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** dustybin deletes all evidence of tina turner from justinh box **

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ventz:

anyone know how to delete a file that was removed accidently from the system and is still stuck in the mythweb view?

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xris:

ventz: "delete" from mythweb?

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dustybin:

ventz: you need to fix the database i think

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ventz:

I am using the perl script (myth.find.orphans.pl) but it says nothing is stranded

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dustybin:

remove orphan script

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Andreaz:

in that case i try to findout the filename and just create it, then delete it from mythweb

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ventz:

xris: Basically I deleted the file accidently with a script (or specifically moved it to the web view, and after I watched it, I deleted it)

[21:37:14]

Andreaz:

i think if it isnt there it not get removed from db

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ventz:

so now I ca'nt really delete it (it's stuck in the web view)...when I hit delete it's still there

[21:37:40]

ventz:

dustybin: ^^^ (used it, it's saying 0 files for both deletedb and delete)

[21:37:54]

ventz:

Andreaz: yea, that's what I thought, but it's not working

[21:38:21]

ventz:

I have this "tv/detail/1011/1212505200" so file name should be "1011_1212505200.mpg"

[21:38:22]

xris:

Andreaz: I've never had any trouble deleting recordings with missing files.

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xris:

ventz: not true. mythweb uses epoch timestamps, not YYYYMMDD like the filenames

[21:39:05]

ventz:

ahh

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dustybin:

ventz: wipe all your recordings + db and start again fresh :)

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Andreaz:

xris: really not? My experience is, that if mythbackend can't remove file it will leave the file in db... Maybe its fixed in the meantime, i dunno.

[21:39:49]

ventz:

heh, not an option

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xris:

Andreaz: been a long time since I tried it. I thought it got fixed shortly after .20 went out, though

[21:41:25]

Andreaz:

xris: Its easy to reproduce, i will try after some sleep later.

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ventz:

xris: thanks!

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ventz:

converted the time, touched the file

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ventz:

all set now :)

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ventz:

good thing to keep in mind about the time being in epoch

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris

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Andreaz:

grrr...

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Andreaz:

xris: Renamed a recording to anything. Try to erase that recording in mythweb, refresh view in mythweb – recording ist back... Seems it still like that...

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Andreaz:

it is svn from today irc..

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dustybin:

since when does google look hard?

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dustybin:

justinh is a strange man :D

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Andreaz:

hrhr

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xris:

Andreaz: ah, weird. should check if there is a bug submitted about that.

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Andreaz:

xris: Never read that this was classified as bug. But i always find the logic behind it a bit strange – keeping a file that won't exist... hm. :)

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Andreaz:

xris: but maybe there is something hidden for my eyes.

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Andreaz:

xris: Ticket #3174 scratches it a lil i think. Maybe the cause why the entry will be kept.

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ventz:

ughh, this thing is annoying me

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ventz:

its back now

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Andreaz:

ventz: Take a look to the log. I think the backend is telling which file isn't avail...

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ventz:

Andreaz: yea I am looking at it, and it deletes it, but then when I quit the browser and re-open, it's back there

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ventz:

ah, finally figured out why

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ventz:

it was owned by me and not mythtv

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ventz:

blaah

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Andreaz:

aww

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ventz:

maybe I need to take a break

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ventz:

i've spent over 7 hours straight trying to perfect the encodings — and that's just today. mind you that's all i've been doing at home and at work for the past 4–5 days

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Andreaz:

argh...pain. You can still move? :)

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** iamlindoro *finally* solves the evil GRUB non-boot issue on his MBE **

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kormoc:

Grub's not evil, it's just misunderstood

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iamlindoro:

Grub's fine, the issue was evil :)

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iamlindoro:

My mobo just required an extra option that took a while to track down, and in the meanwhile would only boot 1 out of 10 times

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iamlindoro:

Lazy bastard that I am, and as infrequently as I reboot, I usually just left it alone... until I told the girlfriend to turn on the amplifier and she switched off the mythbox instead :)

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kormoc:

you should wire up the power button to shock anyone that touches

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iamlindoro:

Hehe... I *like* this g/f

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kormoc:

well... she might enjoy it :P

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iamlindoro:

Hmm... now that you mention it... she might :)

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kormoc:

you might end up single with a very amusing story of how it happened :P

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iamlindoro:

Hmm... HD-PVR seems to need a power cycle on reboot to show up in lsusb again

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kormoc:

doesn't it shut down if the challenge/response isn't correct?

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iamlindoro:

It *seems* to at least show up in lsusb after having power cycled

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iamlindoro:

and dmesg reports it

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kormoc:

huh, fair 'nuff

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iamlindoro:

I'm starting to get desperate for USB ports here

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iamlindoro:

I'm on my very last w/ the HD-PVR

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kormoc:

I have next to nothing usb

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kormoc:

printer, keyboard, mouse, remote

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kormoc:

that's it, on two boxes

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iamlindoro:

I guess when/if the IR on the Hd-PVR is working, though, it frees up the one the mceusb is on

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iamlindoro:

And there's always the front ports, I guess

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kormoc:

well, I do have the usb cable for my phone/gps, but that's rarely used

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** iamlindoro hopes Uncle Steve gives him a phone w/ GPS next week **

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kormoc:

if they announce them, would they be available right away?

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iamlindoro:

I guess nobody really knows, there are rumors to that effect (or, at least, that AT&T stores have canceled all vacations for mid to late June)

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kormoc:

I'm really pondering getting a iphone, but I sorta need it soon-soon

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iamlindoro:

We'll know by Tuesday

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kormoc:

I need to give up my current phone friday :P

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iamlindoro:

Heh, bad timing

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iamlindoro:

Could you drop your SIM in a spare for a few days?

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iamlindoro:

Or buy something super-cheap while waiting to see

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kormoc:

it's not a sim phone currently

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kormoc:

and I don't own the number percey

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kormoc:

so really, it's just the dealing with a lack of a phone

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xand:

why would mythtv record two whole programs that I didn't ask it to, and they don't show up in Recorded Programs? :|

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kormoc:

if they're not in recorded programs, how do you know it recorded them?

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xand:

because I have a script that creates symlinks to the recordings using the title/subtitle etc from the mythtv database

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xand:

and they're appearing

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GreyFoxx:

LiveTV Recordings?

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briand:

the recording rule told it to put it in a group other than 'recordings' ??

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GreyFoxx:

They are in a different recording group which doesn't show up by default

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GreyFoxx:

hit M on the Watch recording screen

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GreyFoxx:

then change your group to All Programs (or LiveTV Specifically)

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xand:

I don't even use mythfrontend

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xand:

"Encoder 3 is local on flux and is watching Live TV: 'World's Fattest Pet and Me' on Channel 4. This recording will end at 1:10 AM." says mythweb status

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xand:

that's rubbish, I don't have mythfrontend running

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xand:

unless it started itself on a headless machine

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briand:

mythfrontend doesn't do the recording, mythbackend does.

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xand:

I know it does, but it says I'm watching live tv

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GreyFoxx:

Someone has requested a LiveTV session

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GreyFoxx:

Or I should say, something

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briand:

yep. via web or somesuch

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GreyFoxx:

Your backend logs should give you a clue

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xris:

xand: or the encoder might just be stuck

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xand:

hmm it started at 8pm

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** xand wonders **

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xand:

there was something that recorded at 8pm on the same dvb multiplex as what it started randomly recording at the same time

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xand:

:S

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xand:

actually it started later; I think someone must have knocked the keyboard connected to the mythtv box when I wasn't here :S

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