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Monday, June 2nd, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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fiXXXerMet:

Trying to install mythbuntu on my via epia which is connected via vga to my 1080p lcd tv. When I choose "install mythbuntu", after everything is done loading, I just get "mode not supported" on the tv... Any way I can change the resolution that it runs at?

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janneg:

iamlindoro: a table of 2^48 64bit values is too large for a kernel driver

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iamlindoro:

janneg: Wasn't suggesting it as a solution, just that it would techincally *work*

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mkrufky:

you can have them in an external file and read them like firmware

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fiXXXerMet:

Actually, I just changed screens by hitting ctrl+alt+f3 so I'm at a cli now.

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fiXXXerMet:

xfce-mcs-manager is running – so I guess I need to change the resolution that xfce runs at?

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janneg:

mkrufky: if you have enough storage, the table is at least 2250TB

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mkrufky:

lol

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mkrufky:

ok then, scratch that idea

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Speedy2:

Hey all.

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Speedy2:

Just curious, what's the status of MythTV using a framebuffer?

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iamlindoro:

AFAIK it's "Nobody can remember the last time anyone used a framebuffer w/ myth and nobody will know where to begin troubleshooting if you try." :)

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wagner:

good way of putting it

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wagner:

do you have a very low memory system such that you dont want to use X?

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Speedy2:

wagner: I'd like to use Myth on a system that has no X support, but does have a framebuffer device

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Speedy2:

iamlindoro: Have you ever tried it

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wagner:

what system?

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iamlindoro:

If I had tried it, then I wouldn't say nobody could remember the last time anyone tried :)

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Speedy2:

wagner: It's an ARM-based system

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iamlindoro:

can you be more specific?

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iamlindoro:

But I'll go out on a limb and say "this will end in tears"

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Speedy2:

It's a proprietary ARM-based system that I'm hacking on ?

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** iamlindoro gives up. If it's all too top-secret to be specific, then *nobody* can help. **

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Speedy2:

iamlindoro: Well, I'm not trying to be secretive, but it's a not a system anyone would know about since it's built on proprietary hardware. I'm trying to re-purpose the hardware for Myth front-end usage

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wagner:

speedy2: id start with people setting up mythtv on PVR350s

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Speedy2:

wagner: That's a great suggestion, I'll start there.

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Speedy2:

wagner: Just curious if you know how that solution works — does Myth render the UI into a bitmap and then color-space convert it, or something?

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wagner:

no idea, never looked into it personally

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wagner:

i just know the 350 has an mpeg decoder and video out

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wagner:

and there is some form of linux framebuffer driver available

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sshirley:

does anyone know the status of the mythkaraoke module. or more importantly where to find the author? i want to create my own karaoke module and i think the name would be good. i'd like his permission.

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sshirley:

mythkaraoke has fallen out of maintenance.

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wagner:

well the project was on the same site as mythrecipe, however the site is down at the moment

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wagner:

a search through the internet archive was not very fruitful

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hadees:

i am using the sa3250ch script but all it does is send my box to random channels

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hadees:

i have a sa3250

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wagner:

however the guy who did mythrecipe (assuming its the same guy as mythkareoke) is Kevin Wambsganz, wambs@verizon.net

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wagner:

hadees: firewire or ir blaster?

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hadees:

wagner, firewire

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wagner:

what is the RJ45 port on the back of the box?

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hadees:

hold on let me check

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hadees:

wagner, what do you mean?

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wagner:

it says "bypass", im just curious

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hadees:

where is it on the box?

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wagner:

on the back

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hadees:

wagner, i see bypass but i don't see a number or something

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wagner:

http://www.timewarner.com/MidOhio/customer/sa3250hd.html

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hadees:

wagner, We are sorry, the page you've attempted to reach has been moved, renamed or taken off the site.

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hadees:

what did it say

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wagner:

just pictures of the box, i must have typed it wrong (copy and paste not working)

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wagner:

http://www.timewarnercable.com/MidOhio/customer/sa3250hd.html

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wagner:

ah, forgot the 'cable'

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** whoDat_ takes a sledge hammer to his 4250hdc **

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hadees:

wagner, ok i still don't get what you want to know

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hadees:

i see bypass but nothing is next to it

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wagner:

theres a network (RJ45) port on the back with the word BYPASS under it

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wagner:

i was just curious as to what it did

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hadees:

wagner, i have no idea what it does

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hadees:

i am using the sa3250ch script but all it does is send my box to random channels anyone know how to fix that?

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squidly:

does anyone have a recomendatin for a LIRC remote?

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squidly:

including the IR reciever hardware that works with lirc?

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wagner:

never used firewire

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sshirley:

wagner: exactly...a google search didn't produce much. so i guess it doesn't matter if i use the same name. i will not use the same technology.

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wagner:

well the previous project has been abandoned (as far as anyone knows), so i dont think its a problem writing a new one under the same name

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Speedy2:

squidly: Almost any IR remote work with LIRC since you can have lirc "learn" your remote's codes

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wagner:

most (non-IRDA) IR receivers will work as well

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wagner:

i assume most people just end up using remotes that come with their tuner cards

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prosonik:

Microsoft..

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prosonik:

you can find them cheap around

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prosonik:

and they are decent

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prosonik:

and well supported

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prosonik:

I pefer a wireless keyboard

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jblack:

Acidrip has a neat detector that auto-crops black bands. Has anyone hear of any work that would do the same thing for transcode?

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cesman:

are you talking about the program "transcode (transcoding.org)" or mythtranscode?

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iamlindoro:

cesman: What kind of support staff are you if you need to ask these things? :)

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iamlindoro:

You should just go ahead and read his mind

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cesman:

lol!

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cesman:

I was sick the week before, my ESP is on the mend...

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Speedy2:

I'm curious to try Myth with X using fb driver

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prosonik:

anybody using a dsm-320 with any kind of luck? I'm thinking of setting up autotrancode

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GreyFoxx:

it wont play the nuv files output by myth

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prosonik:

Yeah it will :)

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GreyFoxx:

then that's a new addition to it

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prosonik:

it's worked since upnp

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GreyFoxx:

cause it never supported myth's version of the nuv before

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prosonik:

has come in.. just the whole no ff/rw thing

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GreyFoxx:

proson: It's played the mpg files, but not the transcoded .nuv's

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prosonik:

ah yes

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prosonik:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

and back when myth's ./mpg's are named .nuv

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GreyFoxx:

but not the transcoded nuvs

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prosonik:

of course, i see what saying

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prosonik:

I'm thinking of autotrancoding them to xvid, slicing out the commerials, and then serving them up

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prosonik:

but that's no good for live tv

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jblack:

cesman: I'm talking about mythtranscode, or whatever it is that myth uses when I tell it to transcode.

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GreyFoxx:

pros: Any reason to transcode at all? Or just to save space ?

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justdave:

saving space is a good reason, that's why I do it.

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jblack:

I do it to save space and bandwidth.

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justdave:

can keep three times as many episodes on the hard drive before they start auto-deleting

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justdave:

depending on the show. Some shows compress better than others.

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ImMelody:

My husband is trying to setup mythdora, and for some reason, mythtv is crashing when reading mpeg4...how can we find out why?

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justdave:

if it's set up to log the front end stuff, check the log

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justdave:

Mythbuntu puts it at /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log

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justdave:

don't know if Mythdora does the same, but that's a logical place for it

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ImMelody:

thanks

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ImMelody:

and I'm going to take the wild guess that you're not going to know anything about MaemoMyth.. would that be a wise assumption?

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justdave:

seems like there were problems with H.264 playback at one point (which is a common codec in the mp4 wrapper) but pretty sure that was fixed a long time ago. Is it a current version of Myth?

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justdave:

heh, yeah, that'd be a good assumption :)

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ImMelody:

yeah... it's up to date

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justdave:

What platform is it in? (Intel, PowerPC, etc?)

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ImMelody:

Which? MaemoMyth?

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justdave:

the one you're having problems with

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ImMelody:

it's an intel processor

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justdave:

ok. I'm thinking the problem I was remembering was only on PPC, so that's probably not what you're hitting then

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ImMelody:

but we were having problems with the video card earlier..so we're hoping there still isn't an issue with it

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justdave:

and I know Fedora runs on PPC

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ImMelody:

I think he's about ready to kill me for suggesting we do mythtv XD

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MrMunkily:

I get instant crashes with certain h.264 movies on x86

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MrMunkily:

Are you having problems playing it in mythvideo or as a recording?

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ImMelody:

mythvideo

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ImMelody:

husband says that he can run it fine in mplayer

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MrMunkily:

Well, obviously this is non-ideal, but if you're not particular to using the internal player you can have mplayer launch as mythvideo's viewer.

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ImMelody:

we'll try that for the meantime, then try to work out what the issue is with mythvideo

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MrMunkily:

version .21-fixes is supposed to support h.264 better at least, but with my prior experiences in mind I'll need at least a week set aside to set it up & confirm.

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ImMelody:

My husband is about ready to scrap the whole project and just use Media Portal... But I so want to be able to watch tv on my n800

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ImMelody:

Thanks a bunch!

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justdave:

oh, yeah, now that you've reminded me, I had that problem too with the internal player

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justdave:

people in here told me the internal player supported a bunch more stuff so I should quit using mplayer

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justdave:

so I switched to using internal, and it crashed on half my videos, so I switched back

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justdave:

that was like a week or two after .21 came out and I had just upgraded from .20-fixes

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MrMunkily:

What sorts of files were crashers?

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justdave:

mostly .mkv stuff IIRC

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justdave:

pretty sure they were h.264 codec

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MrMunkily:

Well, there's going to be a little more attention paid to h.264 in the coming days, my sprunger tells me

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destructar:

hi, in mythtv 0.21 where is the setting for recording location?

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destructar:

i want to record to secondary hd instead of main... i know there is a setting for this but can't seem to find it

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jblack:

I think it's in mythtv-setup

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Anduin1:

destructar: in mythtv-setup you can add a directory or create a new storage group (assuming 0.21)

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jblack:

I bumped into it a couple days ago.

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destructar:

ok going to look there again

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destructar:

so this should be done under storage groups for "default" ?

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prosonik:

Well, can i commercail cut, and keep it in .mpg for the dsm-320

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prosonik:

justdave: what are your hardware specs?

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prosonik:

and uhh.

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prosonik:

if your trying to play say 'trancoded' .mkv from, umm. .torrent sites

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prosonik:

mplayer plays them fine!

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justdave:

yeah, mplayer is what I was using before I tried internal, and went back to after it crashed. :)

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prosonik:

yea

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prosonik:

what are your hardware specs

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prosonik:

from what i've seen, it's the biggest issue when it comes to play .mkv files

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prosonik:

gotta run. bbl

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prosonik:

but let me know of your specs

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justdave:

one box is a custom built HTPC box with a 1GHz CPU and an nvidia card with a Hauppage 550 dual tuner

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justdave:

the other is a bottom-end Intel Mac Mini

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prosonik:

okay

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PatrickDK:

what port is upnp?

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prosonik:

i need more then that

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prosonik:

what nvidia card

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prosonik:

what type of cpu

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prosonik:

i'd say that's WAY under powered

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prosonik:

to play mkv files

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prosonik:

are you playing .mkv files on the mac?

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prosonik:

gotta run //

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justdave:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (rev a1)

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justdave:

it plays them... barely

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justdave:

if there's a transcode job running at the same time it'll be choppy

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justdave:

they play smooth on the Mini though

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justdave:

Core 2 Duo :)

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PatrickDK:

.mkv has nothing to do with cpu power :)

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PatrickDK:

it's just a wrapper around video/audio

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justdave:

yeah, only 1080p stuff has that problem

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justdave:

400p or 720p is usually okay

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MrMunkily:

Regardless of power, there shouldn't be crashes... And much 1080i stuff has other problems such as interlacing which until recently was only partially supported

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MrMunkily:

I still can't play PAFF files on my system, as I'm terrified to upgrade and break the parts that do function.

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javatexan:

okay...I am retarded....I cant figure out how to mount a drive on each of the FE to correspond to the BE video directory. I am trying to use the fstab file with //IPADDR/SambaShare /media/mythvideo credentials=fileofcred 0 0 and it is not working...Help

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PatrickDK:

I wouldn't know crap about mounting samba via fstab :)

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MrMunkily:

you forgot to specify type

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javatexan:

me either...not sure if it can be done....google pretty sketchy at best

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Dagmar:

It can be

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javatexan:

oops forgot it above...have it in the file..sorry

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MrMunkily:

cifs? not smbfs right, smbfs is hella busted

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Dagmar:

Shows how much you know

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Dagmar:

There's not a huge lot of difference between them.

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javatexan:

ii have smbfs i think

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MrMunkily:

fair enough, I'

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javatexan:

should it be cifs

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MrMunkily:

ve been told to "not use it" because it "doesn't work...." never claimed to know much about why or what

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Dagmar:

It's just less functional than CIFS.

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Dagmar:

So basically you _want_ CIFS

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javatexan:

does the credentials thing work with CIFS?

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MrMunkily:

google implies that it does

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MrMunkily:

can you mount at the command line?

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javatexan:

not sure

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javatexan:

what would commandline look lilke?

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javatexan:

fstab still not working

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javatexan:

better do it by hand first

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javatexan:

found it

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justdave:

gah, this is annoying

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justdave:

I have the Mini off the TV and connected to the KVM at my desk at the moment screwing around with it...

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justdave:

so my KVM has speakers hooked up to it via USB

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justdave:

and Ubuntu recognizes them

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justdave:

and has this annoying habit of playing the login sound at full volume over those speakers every time I switch the KVM to the Mini

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justdave:

I mean, it's nice that it's letting me know that the speakers actually work, but enough is enough. :)

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MrMunkily:

turn off the login sound? is it the gdm sound or the gnome login sound?

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justdave:

it's the gnome login sound

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justdave:

and I tried turning it off in the sound panel and it still does it.

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justdave:

maybe I have to log out and back in or something

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javatexan:

i get this as error from commandline mount errro: can not change directory into mount target /media/spacestation that is for both mount -t cifs and smbmount

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javatexan:

s/errro/error

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justdave:

stupid question perhaps, but does /media/spacestation exist?

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javatexan:

that was it...thanks. forgot that part. LOL...its always something silly like that

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wagner:

any idea why i would have hundreds of small (2KB) mpeg files in my recording directory?

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wagner:

its almost as if when i deleted files, they were just emptied, rather than actually deleted

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Dagmar:

No idea.

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Dagmar:

What's in em?

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wagner:

mplayer tries to open it, and then hits EOF before finding any information of use

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wagner:

od has no meaningful (to me) output

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jumpaholic:

lirc seems to be repsonding slowly for me... when i press a key on my remote, the IR sensor has a light that immediately lights up to let me know that its receiving data, but it takes about half a second for the irw to indicate that a button was pressed

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jumpaholic:

does anyone know about this problem?

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Dagmar:

Well, we know you have it.

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Dagmar:

We don't have it.

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PatrickDK:

your sure it's not just your computer being slow?

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PatrickDK:

cause I have the same thing happen with my keyboard

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Dagmar:

Try using ircat to test with

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PatrickDK:

but that is normally just when myth has to load stuff from the db generally

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Dagmar:

...or make sure you're not using a broken configuration for lircrc

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jumpaholic:

PatrickDK, no, it repsonds immediately with my attached keyboard

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Speedy2:

jumpaholic: I've been seeing weirdness with lirc and the newer kernels

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Speedy2:

jumpaholic: Since the standard lirc serial interface is a "hack", it's subject to weirdness

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Dagmar:

Nah, it's not a hack.

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jumpaholic:

slowness included in this weirdness?

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Dagmar:

It's a perfectly reasonable method for listening to IR.

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Dagmar:

There's just dozens of places someone who isn't paying attention to what's going on can break it.

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Speedy2:

Dagmar: Well it's polling the DTR or DSR line which is not the way the serial port was meant to be used

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Speedy2:

DTR/DSR or CD, can't remember which

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Dagmar:

Regardless, those signal lines are still performing the way they're supposed to.

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Dagmar:

...because they're expected to be quite fast enough for this.

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justdave:

anyone know if there's any video podcast catching software that'll insert the downloaded episodes into mythtv as if they were recorded programs?

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justdave:

or is there some API for Myth that I can use to do that from something I cobble up (inserting into the DB directly seems easy enough, but not very future-proof)

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wagner:

well you can grab mythstream, it has support for RSS streams

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wagner:

although i dont know if it works for 0.21

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GreyFoxx:

just: Why make them appear as recordingsÉ Why not just use mythvideo

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justdave:

last time I looked it seemed like that didn't actually download anything until you went and tried to view it though

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justdave:

because if I put them in Recordings then they can auto-expire and I can tell what I've watched and what I haven't

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cesman:

wagner: it does

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GreyFoxx:

You`ll have to cobble together a script to insert into the DB

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justdave:

just like normal TV, just a different delivery mechanism

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justdave:

MythStream seems needlessly complicated to me, too

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wagner:

you could probably toss something together in ~20 lines in python

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wagner:

i assume there are rss modules for python

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justdave:

NASATV I can double-click a stub file on my desktop and have Quicktime Player or VLC just pop up and view it.

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wagner:

if nothing else, you could use an xml parser

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justdave:

it's like 10 or 15 clicks to get to it in MythStream

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justdave:

(maybe I'm exagerating, but it seems pretty well buried by the time you get to where it actually plays it)

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justdave:

yeah, there's lots of libraries for both Python and Perl to do RSS and downloading and whatnot. Direct DB insert just seems like a hack that'd be easily broken by a new version of MythTV coming out with schema changes.

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MrMunkily:

Well, I always set aside a week for upgrades :)

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justdave:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

just: the single entry in the recorded table is fairly trivial to update if need be

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GreyFoxx:

and there are myth perl lib`s. I`ve just never looked at them so no idea if they will do what you are looking for

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Dagmar:

Use the perl bindings.

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justdave:

those ship with myth? I don't see them on CPAN

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justdave:

that sounds like exactly what I'm looking for if I can find them :)

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Anduin1:

mythtv/bindings/perl

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Anduin1:

and most of it is access, don't know if they actually insert

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justdave:

hmm, not in the ubuntu package, but found them in the source tarball

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justdave:

python stuff, too

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justdave:

aha, libmyth-perl and libmyth-python are the packages

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justdave:

and already installed

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justdave:

oh, it actually put them in the perl and python library directories, that's why I couldn't find it with "locate bindings" :)

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justdave:

yeah, don't see anything that does inserts

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justdave:

oh well, schema's easy enough, I'll just have to chance having to fix things on upgrades. :)

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wagner:

im surprised theres never been any method of accessing internet content in the core

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justdave:

wagner: yeah, me too. The way podcasts work in iTunes or Songbird would be a perfect fit for the MythTV interface.

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prosonik:

hah

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** justinh reads some scrollback. run mythtv on a tivo. that definitely IS in the official faq :D **

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prosonik:

Welcome to the great pardox of mythtv

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prosonik:

libmyth-python? does that exsist?

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justinh:

there are some python bindings AFAIK

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justdave:

yes, it does.

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justdave:

I was just looking at it a little bit ago

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prosonik:

i thought that was just a myth..

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justdave:

heh

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justinh:

oh wait that plugin effort to allow python plugins? hot air

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prosonik:

yeah

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justinh:

fluff

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prosonik:

damn

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prosonik:

good idea

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justdave:

oh, yeah, this is basically enough API to let a webapp show you what's on your system

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justdave:

(or a command line tool)

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justinh:

might not be but it's been ages since anybody's heard anything from them

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prosonik:

biggest beef with mythtv is the that you have to be rocket scientist to create a decent plugin

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** justinh is not a scientist **

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justinh:

you should try it

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justinh:

it's not that hard

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prosonik:

yeah, my c isn

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prosonik:

isn

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prosonik:

so graet. I can fake java, perl

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justinh:

my c isn't either

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prosonik:

mmh

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prosonik:

is there decent dev docs yet?

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justinh:

quite a considerable amount of plugin code is very easy to read

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prosonik:

Oh

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** prosonik perhaps should shut up and go look at the code **

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justinh:

maybe

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justdave:

clone some other plugin then bend it to do what you want

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justinh:

it's pretty good

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prosonik:

yeah, i want a MIRO clone

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prosonik:

for mythtv

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prosonik:

ala torrentcrany

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justinh:

what I know about OO programming could be written on a postage stamp

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prosonik:

from a few years backj

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justinh:

prosonik: well, that'd be welcome to the world of maintaining an unofficial plugin

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justdave:

torrentocracy was an early version of Miro I think. It's been through a few name changes

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prosonik:

really?

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justinh:

really

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justinh:

the devs will want nothing to do with it

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justdave:

it was "Democracy Player" before it was Miro

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justinh:

until the public perception of P2P based media changes, anyway

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justinh:

right now it's pretty much taken as read that all p2p is good for is illegals

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justdave:

What happened to Revision3 last weekend may help change that

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justinh:

so understandably certain people want to avoid a direct association. everybody is well aware that other projects don't pay any attention to that reputation but that's their own lookout

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prosonik:

Yeah

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prosonik:

Well i don't blame them for that

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prosonik:

I've allways felt that the frame work

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prosonik:

for creating such an app

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prosonik:

should be there, and let the uhh.. world

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prosonik:

do it's think

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prosonik:

MIRO

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justinh:

mythtv has had enough bad publicity without having a p2p app stitched into it

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prosonik:

hhe

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prosonik:

yeah

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justinh:

the NYT article a few years back, for example

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prosonik:

hehe

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justdave:

I saw a discussion on Miro's forums recently about trying to write an API for Miro so that other apps can hook into it

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prosonik:

yeah

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prosonik:

i reember that

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prosonik:

I can't get lirc support to work

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prosonik:

for miro

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prosonik:

and well, it's just annyoing to leave the mythtv interface

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justinh:

besides there are already plenty of P2P clients around. mythvideo doesn't care how files end up there

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prosonik:

an api would be good for miro

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prosonik:

but better for mythtv

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justinh:

as far as podcasts are concerned, they'

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justdave:

finding a way to get the file in there automatically is still a pain

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justinh:

they're meant to download automagically anyway :)

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justdave:

have to go into Video Manager and rescan all the time

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justinh:

no you don't

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justinh:

browse files!

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justdave:

oh?

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Anduin1:

Yes, turn on the [view type] browses files option and it will find new files, then the video manager need only be run to edit metadata

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justdave:

ah, found it.

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justinh:

utils/setup > setup > media settings > video > general settings

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justdave:

looks like that shows full filenames instead of taking out parenthetical stuff in the names

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justinh:

so?

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justdave:

just inconsistant with the stuff that's already scanned, that's all

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justinh:

mythtv isn't coded to take out the stuff the 'group' add to filenames :P

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justdave:

it does when you scan them

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justinh:

.xvid.f00b@r.1337.we-r0000000l.y00.5uck.avi

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justdave:

heh

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prosonik:

I belive there is script out there that automatically adds them

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justdave:

The filename is like "Video Name Here (1280x720).mkv". If you go to Video Manager and let it scan it then it strips out the (1280x720) part because it was in parens.

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prosonik:

i think it uses fuse or soemthing

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justinh:

no it doesn't use fuse

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justdave:

I thought the fuse one was for getting meaningful names on the recorded TV stuff

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justinh:

anyway, you fucking moan that there's no way to see files without scanning then you're told that you CAN, and then you still fucking moan.

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justinh:

USERS... pfft!

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justdave:

I'm not picky, was just pointing it out. :)

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justinh:

yeah whatever

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justinh:

I bet Konqueror doesn't filter bits of filenames out :P

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justinh:

I know ls doesn't :)

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prosonik:

I just like to whine. And annoy opensource developers

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justinh:

annoy them enough & hey presto they're no longer developers yay!

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prosonik:

especially with questions like "is this code have ANY documentation?"

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justdave:

justinh: sure, but with that attitude, you'd expect MythVideo's Video Manager to not filter them either ;) (and it does)

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justinh:

you can always fire up a bit of bash or perl script to rename batches of files anyway

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prosonik:

I think that would be neat feature actually

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justinh:

sed & awk are great at that

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justdave:

yeah

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Anduin1:

justdave: the inconsistency you complain about didn't exist before people started complaining it didn't work like it did in 0.19

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prosonik:

user defined charters that can be filtered out

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prosonik:

sed

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prosonik:

awk

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prosonik:

that would be sort of cool

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justdave:

heh, what did it do in 0.19?

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Anduin1:

it is a single bool in videolist.cpp

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Anduin1:

justdave: what it does now, show the full file name

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justdave:

what it does now, but it wasn't database backed before?

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Anduin1:

It was

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justinh:

I'm not sure I'd want it filtering stuff out of filenames if it's set to browse files

[07:03:48]

justinh:

The Geeky Vids (Episode 1 of 3).mp4 – etc

[07:03:50]

Anduin1:

Well with "video list uses metadata (or whatever that option is)" it uses other info too

[07:04:14]

justdave:

I wouldn't mind either way, it just looks funny with all the stuff that's been scanned already having short names and the recently added stuff having really long names with extra stuff in them. :)

[07:04:49]

Anduin1:

I don't remember the specifics but yes I believe the complaint was that Show [Episode 1] and Show [Episode 2] looked the same, and sorted poorly.

[07:04:56]

justinh:

justdave: maybe you should look at the auto updater thing – not that your p2p acquired tech shows/whatever are likely to have imdb entries

[07:05:47]

justdave:

yeah, was just tracking that down, since prosonik mentioned there was a script

[07:06:11]

justinh:

justdave: posted to mythtvtalk.com/forum/ somewhere

[07:06:19]

justinh:

and the mythtv -users mailing list#

[07:06:32]

justdave:

yeah, found it via google already

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prosonik:

look around the knoppmyth site

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justinh:

well, it definitely feels like Monday morning. oh well. only another 7 hours til hometime

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justdave:

yeah, the imdb-bulk-updater.pl script can be modified to do what I want.

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Dagmar:

Maybe tomororow the FBI will go visit MediaDefender

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justinh:

maybe tomorrow, I'll wanna settle down, maybe tomorrow...

[07:57:53]

** directhex summons the taste police **

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justinh:

hahahaha

[07:58:49]

justinh:

something got that song stuck in my head for DAYS. only repaying the favour

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jblack:

oF this is the song that never ends.... oF

[08:01:46]

directhex:

i've had toto's "africa" in my head

[08:02:02]

jblack:

I really want a small, cheap myth frontend.

[08:02:25]

justdave:

Mac Mini is awesome

[08:02:33]

justdave:

for some definition of cheap

[08:03:29]

jblack:

I'm sure there's some definition out there that makes macs cheap. But it's certainly not any definition that matches my reality

[08:03:52]

justdave:

cost me US$650 including the cables to hook it to the TV for the Mini I got

[08:04:15]

directhex:

mac minis are cheaper by a fair margin than any competing system with the same performance in the same form factor

[08:04:22]

jblack:

I'd like to spend about 1/4 of that price.

[08:04:49]

directhex:

if you care only about price, and only want SD, then sure, you can build a bargain basement beige box

[08:05:42]

jblack:

I transcode the hell out of everything anyways.

[08:06:31]

jblack:

Someone, somewhere must sell a mini-itx system with 256 megs of ram and a 1 gig flash card for a couple hundred bucks, but darned if I can find 'em.

[08:06:56]

directhex:

you're missing the fact that epias are a big heap of steaming shite

[08:07:25]

kormoc:

jblack, just wait a few years

[08:07:59]

jblack:

kormoc: Yeah. I think so.

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directhex:

and they ARE cheap, if you look at the cost of "htpc cases" (which can easily exceed Â£200 without a power supply)

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justinh:

oh ffs no. not neil fucking innes! ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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directhex:

?

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justinh:

'music'

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justinh:

need to have words with a colleague about their choice of 'music' for the lab again

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directhex:

they could [play toto's "africa" instead

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justinh:

anything'd be better than this tuneless shite

[08:37:44]

justinh:

comes in, sets up the ipod, then fucks off out of the room

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directhex:

steal ipod, replace with tape player

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Penfold_:

steal ipod, resync to better tunes with same ID3 tags :)

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justinh:

tempted just to hide ipod

[09:28:30]

Penfold:

yeah, but my method's more evil :)

[09:29:01]

clever:

and more work!

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cafuego:

Any Melbourne, AU mythtv users here who could give me mplexid and serviceid for some channels?

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justinh:

got some news for you cafuego – mplexid will vary by each installation :P

[09:50:47]

cafuego:

well, that sucks

[09:51:17]

** cafuego 's myth box can't find a few channels that have perfect reception on the set-top box that's sitting next to it **

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cafuego:

what's more, they USED to work fine

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justinh:

sucky dvb-t card eh? heheh

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cafuego:

*and* tzap can find 'em too

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justinh:

delete all channels & rescan, then

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** cafuego just did, twice **

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** stuarta waves to justinh **

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justinh:

hiya stuarta

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justinh:

cafuego: delete & re-add capture card(s) too

[09:54:09]

cafuego:

justinh: Did that last week, also didn't help :-(

[09:54:29]

cafuego:

it's recording something else now, so I can't retry that immediately

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justinh:

cafuego: you don't need somebody else's data if tzap works anyway

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justinh:

you can get serviceid info from dvb-utils' scan util

[09:55:07]

cafuego:

Is there a way I can translate the tzap stuff to what myth needs?

[09:55:24]

cafuego:

yeah, the servcieid can see... but mplexid I dounno

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justinh:

and correlate the mplexid from the tzap frequency & the dtv_multiplex table

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stuarta:

i missed the earlier bit, what is the problem

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cafuego:

aah yes, i see

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cafuego:

justinh: I didn't know about the dtv_multiplex table

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cafuego:

But it's definitely added an mplex for the missing channels

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stuarta:

you can import a channels.conf

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** cafuego just twiddled the table, lets see if SBS is back... **

[10:02:00]

cafuego:

And that's a big, fat "yes"

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justinh:

time to raise a ticket?

[10:13:20]

justinh:

what was up with the table?

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p3nguin:

Am I understanding the wiki correctly in the regard that I cannot use the mpeg-4 transcoding because I don't have a Plextor input device?

[11:00:57]

rsdvd:

Hello All – can anyone help me get Optical Out audio working on my CMI8786 sound card – please?

[11:01:12]

p3nguin:

I have a bttv card, but I don't really like having .nuv files. I would like to have mpegs instead.

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stuarta:

what is wrong with nuv files?

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p3nguin:

If I have mpegs, can't I transport them to a different system and watch them without having mythtv?

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justinh:

be easier just to discontinue support for framegrabber cards :)

[11:41:27]

directhex:

i found a 1996 framegrabber in an old pc yesterday

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stuarta:

eek!

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justinh:

jeebus this is a sandwich. scooby doo would be proud

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directhex:

oooole bt848 framegrabber

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directhex:

oooold

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** stuarta offers the word google **

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** directhex throws scooby snacks at justinh **

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justinh:

the massive j-lead 848 give it away much?

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stuarta:

my dvb cards do bt848 framegrabber on an alternate input

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** stuarta wanders off for a bit **

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rsdvd:

can anyone give me some pointers about getting Optical out Audio working, I have set the AC3 to SPDIF in setup, but I get nothing through the amp.

[11:46:43]

justinh:

most dvb cards are based on framegrabber data ports – it's a cheap way to get a PCI interface

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justinh:

rsdvd: unmuted SPDIF / IEC958 in your linuxy mixer?

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rsdvd:

Hi justinh – yes.....I have unmuted the "IEC958 Out" option

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justinh:

maybe the passthru device isn't set right

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justinh:

I hate alsa with its bloody inane naming of ports & stuff

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rsdvd:

the docs say you must set the 'output device' to somthins 'appropriate' – but I don;t know wha tis appropriate as I have never had a optical amp before

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justinh:

appropriate means "whatever the spdif port on the soundcard is called"

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rsdvd:

I only get a few options /dev/dsp, dev/dsp1, /dev/adsp, dev/adsp1 – none of them make a differnece

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justinh:

see the wiki for total alsa confusion

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justinh:

by that I mean, read the wiki article & still be none the wiser and yet even more baffled

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rsdvd:

lol- I read the alsa stuff in the mythtv wiki and the alsa wiki – and I am none the wiser

[11:51:50]

justinh:

I'm not thick by any stretch of the imagination but FFS, alsa confuzzles the hell out of me

[11:52:29]

rsdvd:

I am sure I have just missed some setting somewhere....or maybe my new soundcard does not work – I have no idea

[11:52:48]

justinh:

I THINK you need to use asound.conf to set up virtual devices of some kind, give them rational names which you can then tell apps to use. I *think* that's what it's all about

[11:53:15]

justinh:

all that's needed is for someone to explain the ucking thing in English!

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rsdvd:

do you have digital out on your frontends?

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justinh:

yeah but I set passthru to the same as analogue output device

[11:54:02]

justinh:

ac3 & DTS are passed thru but on the analogue side I get awful noise

[11:54:19]

justinh:

I think I need to uck about with asound.conf :-\

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justinh:

I can live with having to turn the TV sound off though

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rsdvd:

ok – so you left the output device as /dev/dsp (or similar) and then set the passthrough and it just worked ?

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justinh:

yes but output awful noise through the analogue outs

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rsdvd:

If I could get the digital soudn workign I woudl be happy to remove the analog audio cable and put all sound through the amp.....jsut need to get ti workign first

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justinh:

check it outside of mythtv first

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justinh:

aplay -L should list soundcard outputs

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rsdvd:

justinh – aplay -L gives me a logn list, including :

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rsdvd:

iec958:CARD=CMI8738MC8,DEV=0

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rsdvd:

C-Media PCI CMI8738-MC8, C-Media PCI DAC/ADC

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rsdvd:

IEC958 (S/PDIF) Digital Audio Output

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rsdvd:

but there is not reference to that in the drop down in mythtv setup

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willcooke:

you have to type in it, something like ALSA:iec958

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willcooke:

You might also need to fix the samplerate at 48k

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rsdvd:

willcooke : I can just overtype the dropdown?

[12:02:51]

willcooke:

yeah

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rsdvd:

how do I fix the samplerate?

[12:02:57]

willcooke:

:-)

[12:03:14]

willcooke:

When you find out – can you let me know. ;)

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rsdvd:

LOL

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rsdvd:

ok – I will try and get back to you :-)

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willcooke:

I had it working on an old box which is now in bits, if I find the files I'll let you know. However, I do remember using the .asoundrc off the wiki – that helpded a lot

[12:10:20]

hashbang:

justinh: I've got simultaneous SPDIF and analogue out working from my FC8 MythTV box

[12:12:34]

hashbang:

justinh: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:Cowbutt#Sound

[12:13:06]

hashbang:

justinh: suspect FC does some unusual stuff with its default ALSA config, so might not apply across all distros

[12:13:41]

hashbang:

justinh: oh, and don't ask me to explain how it works, since it was just trial-and-error

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hashbang:

:-)

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hashbang:

ah, apparently that's for rsdvd, rather than justinh

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rsdvd:

thanks hashbang : I have got SPDIF working now but I have lost analog....so I wil have a read of your link and see if I can fix it

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rsdvd:

willcooke : thanks for your suggestion – it seems to be working without changing the samplerate

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willcooke:

Sweet!

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hashbang:

rsdvd: yeah, I found the same – getting SPDIF working was easy. Getting analogue working at the same time took about 4 more hours. :-/

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hashbang:

rsdvd: I'd be interested if you get odd pauses when playing DTS DVDs, too...

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justinh:

FC info is no use to me at all

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justinh:

I'm sure I'll work it out one day when I can be arsed

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rsdvd:

justinh : do you still use your S100? I put mine away months ago but your name just reminded me about it

[12:29:28]

** stuarta quacks **

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justinh:

they're going on ebay

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justinh:

soon as I get around to it

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justinh:

I've had it with pissy little underpowered frontend hardware

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stuarta:

cpu+++++

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rsdvd:

justinh : when you do put them up – let me know and I might be interested. I have a need for some low power (low cost to run) web browsers and myth frontends......I am looking in ebay for some more S100s

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justinh:

could let them both go for Â£45 (for both) plus shipping

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justinh:

shipping'd be about a tenner or so

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justinh:

sod it. Â£40. no use to me sitting there in cupboards

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rsdvd:

so £50 for both delivered?

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justinh:

aye

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justinh:

saves me the hassle of dealing with ebay retards too!

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rsdvd:

cool – I could be very interested. Which mods did you do to them?

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justinh:

last thing I sold, some idiot asked me to send stuff to a different adress than the one on his paypal. 3 days after he'd paid. stupid c***

[12:35:35]

justinh:

only one of them has a VGA socket

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rsdvd:

:-) I know that feeling – I sell about 150,000 items a year no ebay/amazon

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justinh:

I think I'd only modded one of them.. not sure

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justinh:

anyway at least one has a VGA socket, extra IDE connector & HDD power cable

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mkargar:

hello friends:i want guide for config DVB card in mythtv!?

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rsdvd:

justinh : done! I will take them off your hands. Send me a pvt with how you want me to pay you

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directhex:

mkargar, http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10005&page=7

[12:39:33]

mkargar:

i serched in dvbn,but not found any guide!!

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mkargar:

directhex:very thx brother!i checking...!

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mkargar:

many month ago,i founded best guide for config DVB card in Mythtv!but,now it topic not on the forum!!!

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mkargar:

my mean is DVBn web site!

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rsdvd:

has anyone got the new UK Freesat service working with Mythtv?

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directhex:

rsdvd, define "freesat"

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hashbang:

directhex: presumably the new thing that BBC HD is broadcasting on

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hashbang:

http://www.freesat.co.uk/

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willcooke:

rsdvd, yes in so much as I can record free-to-air sat MUXs

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directhex:

hashbang, bbc hd has been broadcasting on astra2d, FTA, for months and months

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directhex:

hashbang, that's the point – freesat is FTA in a waistcoat, PLUS MHEG (i don't know if this works yet), plus EIT (ditto), plus ITV-HD's non-standard gubbins (ditto)

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rsdvd:

I am interested in getting some HD channels without going down the SKy HJD route

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directhex:

hashbang, so can mythtv users get freesat channels? yeah, and more besides. but the extra things that make freesat different from FTA... not yet

[12:48:17]

hashbang:

figures

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rsdvd:

I thought there was work on-going about getting it to work?

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justinh:

some? haha. two. lol

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willcooke:

We can now decode the Freesat EPG – which is a huge step forward

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hashbang:

directhex: presumably it's just DVB-S; but is extra code required to decode the HD content?

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justinh:

hashbang: no

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rsdvd:

it is DVB-S2

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hashbang:

ah, right

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justinh:

unless you count what the silly fecks ITV have done for their HD

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justinh:

no it's dvb-s

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justinh:

but likely to change to s2 in future

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directhex:

it's DVB-S, not SVB-S2

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directhex:

hadees, bbc hd and luxe, nothing special needed. just MOAR MHZ

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justinh:

all new freesat boxes are dvb-s2 capable

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directhex:

hashbang, itv-hd, coding is needed

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mkargar:

please help me!

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hashbang:

mkargar: you need to give us more information; what DVB card, what distro, what is or isn't happening?

[12:54:04]

directhex:

hashbang, you make it sound as if getting help online is a 3-step process of saying what you're doing, what you expect, what you're getting instead. as opposed to flailing around asking for TEH HELPS!

[12:55:04]

stuarta:

justinh: are you sure all new boxes are dvb-s2?

[12:55:39]

stuarta:

i seem to remember them saying that we don't really care if we ship plain old dvb-s now and make everyone buy a new stb in 2–3 yrs

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hashbang:

directhex: "asking smart questions" and all that

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directhex:

there are 6 manufacturers iirc. let me check

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mkargar:

hashbang:SkyStar2|Kubuntu 7.10|i want giude for config it on mythtv!

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directhex:

humax are shipping dvb-s2 boxes

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directhex:

dunno about the other 4

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directhex:

mkargar, you already had a guide. it obviously wasn't enough for you.

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directhex:

mkargar, what're you're doing, what do you expect, what you're getting instead?

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mkargar:

directhex:many month ago,i founded best guide for config DVB card in Mythtv on DVBn website!but,now it topic not on the forum!!!

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directhex:

stuarta, choice in the marketplace! http://www.bushdigital.co.uk/OurProducts.htm and http://www.goodmansdigital.co.uk/OurProducts.htm and http://www.grundigdigital.co.uk/OurProducts.htm

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stuarta:

aren't they all the same oem board?

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directhex:

mkargar, it would be difficult for me to care less about some websites you were visiting months ago.

[13:01:27]

directhex:

<directhex> mkargar, what're you're doing, what do you expect, what you're getting instead?

[13:01:30]

directhex:

stuarta, evidently

[13:01:40]

directhex:

stuarta, with the same OEM website!

[13:01:53]

stuarta:

same ip address and all

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directhex:

:)

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hashbang:

mkargar: surprised your distro isn't configuring it for you already.

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directhex:

anyway, the humax is s2

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directhex:

hashbang, the card will already be working fine. presumably. we don't know, because he won't try and get it working, because it seems he has no interest in actually getting it working, he just wants to moan until we find the right url he was looking at months ago

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mkargar:

hashbang:!?!

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Cyberai:

Hey iamlindoro, what's the big announcement on the HDPVR?

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justinh:

the big announcement will be .. "it verks! sweeeeeet!". don't you mean *when* is the big announcement?

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mkargar:

directhex:i want it guide for config DVB card for Hotbird SAT!!

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Cyberai:

err, um ahem.... yes

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justinh:

hmmm apparently I've been invited to dust off my headphones for a revival night in a venue I used to work at

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Cyberai:

yeha, he was throwing hints around friday that he would have something to say today

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directhex:

<directhex> mkargar, what're you're doing, what do you expect, what you're getting instead?

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mkargar:

directhex:i runnig Mythtv-setup and i want install DVB card?!but, how to..?

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directhex:

mkargar, did you even look at the provided link?

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stuarta:

step1. stick card in machine

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directhex:

[13:38] <directhex> mkargar, http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10005&page=7

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stuarta:

step2. run mythtv-setup

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directhex:

stuarta, sounds scary! :o

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stuarta:

step3. press random keys until setup occurs

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stuarta:

next, next, next from 1–6 is a good start

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mkargar:

directhex:yes yes!but,it help not enogh for me!i want guide with Screenshot's!!!!

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stuarta:

then use windows

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directhex:

http://img.hexus.net/v2/articles/MythTV/myth-11.jpg looks like a screenshot to me

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stuarta:

quite frankly it's not difficult

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directhex:

but it IS a long time since i had my glasses checked

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stuarta:

challenging maybe

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** stuarta confirms that *is* a screenshot **

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directhex:

not even that. you just need to take each step in order, and not try to second guess it

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stuarta:

didn't i say that

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stuarta:

next, next, next from 1–6 is a good start

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walstib:

I upgraded to mythtv 0.21 and now cannot switch between my two tuners using Y in live TV mode. Live TV always shows tuner2, but I can use V to see tuner1 in PIP, and if I record on tuner2, live tv will show tuner1. any idea how to get Y working again?

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stuarta:

:)

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directhex:

how about http://img.hexus.net/v2/articles/MythTV/myth-12.jpg is that a screenshot?

[13:14:18]

directhex:

walstib, the meaning of that key has changed in 0.21

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** stuarta goes off to break something **

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walstib:

I checked the keybingings DB table and Y looked like it was still mapped to selecting the tuner. What is the new key?

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justinh:

where is the manual?

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justinh:

where is keys.txt ?

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** stuarta looks under a rock **

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directhex:

walstib, use C to change card

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mkargar:

directhex:very thx brother!

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directhex:

walstib, Y changes source. a card may contain multiple sources

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mkargar:

i have another question:mythtv Suported Analog tv card MSI TV @nywhere plus?

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mkargar:

*Supported!

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directhex:

is it supported by v4l?

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walstib:

directhex: Thanks, I thought C changed the inputs from the currently selected card and Y switched cards (I have 2 PVR150s). I'll give it a try when I get home.

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mkargar:

directhex:it supported by v4l.only?!!

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directhex:

mkargar, v4l would be the driver infrastructure used by apps such as mythtv#

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directhex:

from here, it looks like a dirst-cheap framegrabber

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directhex:

smells like a saa7134 framegrabber

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Cyberai:

smells like teen spirit

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directhex:

other sites say cx88

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mkargar:

directhex:ok.very thx!

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hashbang:

another satisfied customer!

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directhex:

bleh

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psofa:

anyone around with skystar hd 2?I want to buy one but ive read its completely experimental, needs the multiproto tree etc.anyone got it to work completely reliably after all these patches etc with myth?

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directhex:

any dvb-s2 card should be considered highly experimental

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directhex:

and because there's no stable s2 API, myth has no s2 supopert

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anykey_:

psofa: there's a post about multiproto on the -dev list today

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walstib:

what is the difference between the TV Frontend and TV Playback contexts in the keybindings table?

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stuarta:

one is used during playback, the other isn't

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stuarta:

s/isn't/used in menus

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stuarta:

you get one guess which is which

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whoDat_:

what there a new keybinding added to .21 that puts the system into hibernate? the exit button on my remote does that instead of just exiting the current screen, lol.

[13:54:45]

whoDat_:

cant find it in the edit keys section, i could be blind though

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iamlindoro_:

Hahah, cyberai left just as I was becoming coherent enough to answer his long-ago question

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whoDat_:

its keycode 233. hmm maybe the keybindings sql table has keycodes i can search

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iamlindoro_:

Someone seems to have confused my saying that there might be linux news on the Aytch-Dee Pee-Vee-Arrr this week with my being the one to make that news.

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janneg:

there will be some linux related news

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: Yeah, he just seemed to think that I was saying *I* would have something to do with it... which I quite cheerfully do not :)

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GreyFoxx:

iam: your hdpvr likely to arrive today ?:)

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janneg:

iamlindoro_: do you have a link? yes, I got that. I just wanted to change the might in your sentence

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Yeah, out for delivery-- I am tempted to take the AM off to get it :)

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: Was just looking back at the logs for the channel

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GreyFoxx:

iam: heh

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iamlindoro_:

"[09:09:17] Cyberai: yeha, he was throwing hints around friday that he would have something to say today"

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iamlindoro_:

Which I most emphatically did *not* say... or at least did not say *I* would have anything to say :)

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iamlindoro_:

Just mostly said the linux driver outlook was... optimistic :

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iamlindoro_:

:)

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iamlindoro_:

As usual I am counting on UPS to accidentally send my package to mexico at the last minute

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janneg:

we just have solve the little riddle. I'll generate more values tonight

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: How are you able to test the rest of the module if you can't authenticate?

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dustybin:

can SD be watched over a steady wireless connection?

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walstib:

dustybin: I have a remote frontend working well over 802.11g

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dustybin:

aye excellent

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directhex:

in most cases, no

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directhex:

especially not if your house or neighbor's house contains items such as a fridge, freezer, or microwave oven, or cordless phone

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directhex:

bandwidth isn't the problem, sustained throughput is

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AndyCap:

dustybin: WorksForMe is probably the best answer you're going to get. :)

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Penfold:

dustybin: mine works fine (backend to MacBook Pro frontend, through several somewhat think 1800s stone walls)

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Penfold:

thick

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dustybin:

ive managed to get a ethernet cable into my sisters front room

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dustybin:

all i need now is a low-powered, quiet box what can play back SDTV

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dustybin:

forget wireless

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dustybin:

how about this

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dustybin:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/123032

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dustybin:

Motherboard has integrated Graphics with Intel GMA900 accelerator with VGA Output.

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dustybin:

^^ does that sound linux/mythtv compatible?

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iamlindoro__:

dustybin, Yeah, thje Intel intergrated graphics have good linux support

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javatexan:

speaking of VGA output, is there a quick and durty way to get VGA to S-Video?

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xphisherx:

hello all, i have recently setup mythtv on ubuntu, both front end and back end. I am able to record and view channels. however i am having problems.

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xphisherx:

1) whenever i watch tv, after i hit the "esc" key, i can still hear the audio from the tv channel. am i exiting out of the program incorrectly? because the only way i can stop the audio is to perform a restart

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directhex:

javatexan, no.

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javatexan:

directhex: doh

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xphisherx:

2) I am unable to get listings. I have been reading and some people have been able to obtain listings without using scheduledirect..

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xphisherx:

any help would be appreciated...

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javatexan:

directhex: thanks

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directhex:

xphisherx, you won't get screen scraper support in here

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jduggan:

xphisherx: using a tv card with loopback audio cable?

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xphisherx:

directhex: is there a particular reason why? is it impossible? or does it go against the mythtv policies?

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jduggan:

(framegrabber)

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xphisherx:

jduggan: yes.

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xphisherx:

i'm using ubuntu gutsty gibbon btw.

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directhex:

xphisherx, because most screen scrapers violate the t&c of the sites their content comes from. myth supports a "standard" grabber method (xmltv), and it supports an "easy" system for americans (schedules direct)

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GreyFoxx:

xphis: It's just that few people use the screenscrapers, so rarely see anyone in here who can help with them

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GreyFoxx:

xphis: You might be better in @xmltv

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** iamlindoro__ chuckles at the "Easy system for americans" **

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GreyFoxx:

err #xmltv

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iamlindoro__:

so necessary :)

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xphisherx:

okay.. thanks.. but any suggestions on the unwanted continuous audio feed?

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directhex:

iamlindoro, better than a system for easy americans

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iamlindoro__:

directhex, Ooooh, that could be turned to my advantage

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GreyFoxx:

xphi: sounds like you are using a framebuffer capture card and need to tweak your mixer settings

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iamlindoro__:

I'm always interested in american girls of the easy variety

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GreyFoxx:

there is a second for it in the docs on mythtv.org

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iamlindoro__:

Which is to say "American girls"

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GreyFoxx:

s/second./section/

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javatexan:

why brits are alot easier

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dustybin:

are there any linux tools out there what can control VFD displays?

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iamlindoro__:

dustybin, LCDProc

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xphisherx:

thanks guys

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dustybin:

for Â£99 you cant go wrong: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/123032# im pretty sure that box can do HD resolutions too

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iamlindoro__:

dustybin, Shame that there's no DVI, though... and does it support C2D? I see that it's 775, but it only explicitly states P4

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iamlindoro__:

anyway, yeah, otherwise looks like a nice box

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dustybin:

iamlindoro__: you could stick a nvidia card inside it

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iamlindoro__:

Only a 1x

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iamlindoro__:

Good luck finding that :)

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iamlindoro__:

or a PCI board, of course

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iamlindoro__:

but not for HD resolutions

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iamlindoro__:

or at least, not 1080

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dustybin:

1x PCI-Express port with 4x PCI Expansion ports (includes Riser card

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dustybin:

theres lots of nvidia pci-express port cards out there

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iamlindoro__:

dustybin, I think the PCIe slot is a 1x (as opposed to a 16x)

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dustybin:

hmm how do you know?

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iamlindoro__:

hang on, looking up the mobo to find out

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iamlindoro__:

dustybin, most I can find is a forum post saying that the board has a 1x PCie slot (ie single lane)

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iamlindoro__:

w/o a 16x slot, I don't think you'll be able to find much in the way of video cards, and PCI doesn't have adequate bandwidth for most 1080 material... that said, if all you need is VGA or SCART, looks like a great box

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iamlindoro__:

there appears to be another system w/ the same mobo w/ a PCIe riser that adds DVI

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iamlindoro__:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/Activy-570-Fuji . . . w-29695.html is the same mobo and seems nice

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dustybin:

iamlindoro__: interesting, how the hell does that box make use of SCARTs ?

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dustybin:

ive never ever seen that before

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dustybin:

maybe it has the special circuits built in to convert VGA >> SCART RGB

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dustybin:

if thats the case that is ideal for SDTV in the UK

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iamlindoro__:

I don't think there's any conversion per se to be done, can't SCART carry most signals (ie composite, RGB, etc)?

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iamlindoro__:

At least, that's how I understood it to work, maybe I read to quickly or am not recalling correctly

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iamlindoro__:

er too

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dustybin:

aye maybe its just s-video

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justinh:

maybe the video decoder on the chip (the A/D converter part), like so many others around has a switching matrix inside & does the conversion according to what the input registers are set to (i.e. one for RGB, one for component, yada yada)

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justinh:

oh THAT thing. PFFT

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justinh:

just read the log. Stupid Fujitsu pretendy media centre box

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justinh:

svideo from the vga card will be hooked up to one scart as an output – along with stereo audio. Likewise scart video inputs will go to the tuners as composite – as with so many other 'media' machines with scart sockets

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purplefrog:

I think I confused my mythtv. It was trying to record stuff from G4 using the wrong channel. schedules direct was right, but my database was wrong.

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dustybin:

its either rgb scart or no go

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dustybin:

im gonna build a little box out of spare bits, my friend has a spare xp2100+ chip

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purplefrog:

In an attempt to knock some sense into it I used mythtv-setup to delete the channel, but it deleted all the channels. Mythfilldatabase got them back, but now a lot of stuff in mythweb (I think overrides mostly) are not showing the right channel.

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purplefrog:

"This show does not match the current listings". I'm not sure how to clean that up.

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janneg:

iamlindoro__: updated http://www.grunau.be/riddle.txt yet again

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hadees:

i am using the sa3250ch script but all it does is send my box to random channels, i looked on the mailing list and there seems to be some internal fix by saying it is a newer box but how do you fix the external script

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justinh:

dustybin: noisy eh. nice

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wagner:

noisy?

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wagner:

iamlindoro__: how is your 'sick day' going?

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iamlindoro__:

*cough, cough* I'm at work, actually, heh

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wagner:

no signature required?

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iamlindoro__:

If there is I'll just go pick it up tonight

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iamlindoro__:

janneg, Cool, will pass along, as it's above my pay grade :)

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wagner:

well i assumed the left number was some sort of indexing

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iamlindoro__:

wagner, Left Pair challenge, right pair response

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wagner:

so this is some sort of 'guess the black box hash' kind of thing

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iamlindoro__:

More or less

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janneg:

wagner: yes, but the hash is weak and probably not well thought

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janneg:

byte 4 and 7 in the response are always equal

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janneg:

then a single bit is set in the challenge only 48 instead of 64 unique responses are generated

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kormoc:

janneg, how are you seeing byte 4 and 7 being equal?

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wagner:

look at the first value, bytes 4 and 7 are both

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wagner:

'fd'

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wagner:

the next one, theyre both '48'

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kormoc:

whoops, I was miscounting

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** kormoc blames the morning **

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wagner:

heres another one, whenever byte 4 is 'fd', byte 8 is 'fd'

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wagner:

'00000010 00000000' and '00000010 00000010' produce identical hashes

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wagner:

'20 00' and '20 20' are the same

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wagner:

'2000 0', '4000 0', and '8000 0' are identical

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janneg:

wagner: that's not the only ones. awk -F '\t' '{print $2, $1}' riddle.txt | sort helps

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wagner:

i see what you mean by this is a pretty poor hash

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janneg:

1075 different challenges generate only 791 different responses

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mobrien:

have been hearing that hd-pvrs are finally getting shipped. Any word from mythers on this?

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iamlindoro__:

"That's true"

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iamlindoro__:

There you go, the official word.

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wagner:

iam may have one sitting on his doorstep as we type

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mobrien:

Not to much that they're getting shipped... more interested in where we're at on usability in nix

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mobrien:

havent seen a thing on v4l project lists

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kormoc:

mobrien, drivers are being worked on, and you can help by solving http://www.grunau.be/riddle.txt

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mobrien:

but that makes sense... given it's usb and not dvb/atsc/qam at all...

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mobrien:

a riddle

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mobrien:

seriously :) ?

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wagner:

what does the riddle have to do with the hd-pvr?

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kormoc:

mobrien, left is input, right is output, figure out the equation

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iamlindoro__:

wagner, Sometime riddles represent real-world problems?

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kormoc:

wagner, it's required for the driver to be implemented

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wagner:

some sort of authentication required to connect to the device?

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kormoc:

yes

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wagner:

thats funky...

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wagner:

well if anyone wants to brute force it, ive got access to a few teraflops

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mobrien:

ok ill take a crack

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iamlindoro__:

in an homage to directhex, I say MOAR BRAINZ

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mobrien:

ive shipped it off to my smarter friends

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mobrien:

smarter than me, that is

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kormoc:

wagner, my desktop is a few teraflops :P

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mobrien:

any backstory/context on where that input/output data comes from?

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mobrien:

run this through an GPU w/ cuda :)

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kormoc:

mobrien, talk to janneg

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iamlindoro__:

mobrien, Challenge response authentication between, *cough* "a device" *cough* and the user's system before "useful data" can be captured

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wagner:

kormoc: your graphics card may be a few hundred GFLOPS, if you can program perfect code in CUDA

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kormoc:

wagner, 8x 2.8 ghz xeon procs in my desktop

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wagner:

im talking about a 950 processor cluster

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kormoc:

wagner, that's more then gflops

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wagner:

that is not more than gflops

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** iamlindoro__ flops about in bed. He's a uniflop. **

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mobrien:

wagner: what cluster do you have access to??? uni?

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wagner:

yeah, univ CFD cluster

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mobrien:

cool

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wagner:

im the only one using it at the moment

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mobrien:

what architecture?

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MrMunkily:

does the fact that there's authentication mean that an effort was made to keep us out?

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wagner:

165 C2Ds, 125 A64 X2, 125 A64, 250 P4

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iamlindoro__:

MrMunkily, no, it means that it uses a commodity chip that has it built in

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janneg:

the problem is to make a algorithm which generates possible hash functions

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wagner:

although the P4s and a bunch of the A64s are offline at the moment, one of our AC units is down for repair/replacement

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mobrien:

not a major loss :)

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mobrien:

any interest in fun stuff like cell or gpu/cuda?

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wagner:

yeah, the C2Ds that im running on currently do about 6x the work of a single P4 box

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kormoc:

wagner, so your cluster can only do a few billion floating point ops per second? that's 2.1 mflops per node, or very very slow, http://freespace.virgin.net/roy.longbottom/cp . . . anchorPara05

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kormoc:

wagner, that's in mflops (million flops), the 486 is beating your stated per node average (assuming you are thinking 2 gflop for the node)

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mobrien:

few trillion that is

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laga:

janneg: why doesn't hauppauge provide the algorithm?

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kormoc:

<wagner> that is not more than gflops

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kormoc:

mobrien, he's arguing it's not :P

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mobrien:

laga: interested in that as well

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wagner:

i figure in practice, well get 1–2GFLOPS/node

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wagner:

when you factor in code inefficiencies and network latencies

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kormoc:

wagner, so if you're saying you get 1–2 GFLOPS per node, 950 nodes, that's well over a tflop

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mobrien:

isn't that what he said :)

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wagner:

x86 clusters rarely get anywhere near their theoretical performance

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wagner:

and i said i had a couple teraflops available to throw at the problem

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mobrien:

ï»¿wagner: well if anyone wants to brute force it, ive got access to a few teraflops

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kormoc:

whoops

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wagner:

:)

[17:11:07]

kormoc:

I blame the morning

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mobrien:

:)

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kormoc:

I totally read that as gigaflops

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letmeknow:

is mythv known to work with Indian Tv standard ?? (PAL-B) ??

[17:11:19]

kormoc:

ugh

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kormoc:

I'm striking out this morning

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kormoc:

letmeknow, mythtv doesn't care, it's your tuner card that cares

[17:12:29]

mobrien:

you want to find a tuner that works w/ linux and does PAL-B

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mobrien:

don't know much specifically myself about PAL-B stuff

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letmeknow:

well the driver would also . i am not sure mythtv also cares has driver part or not

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janneg:

laga: perhaps they don't know the algorithm

[17:13:31]

mobrien:

janneg: call me dense, but how does the windows driver deal w/ the auth then?

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letmeknow:

kormoc,mobrien same this works on windows xp so as ar as hw is concerned it works

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kormoc:

mobrien, that's where the numbers come from I would imagine

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iamlindoro__:

mobrien, by being officially sanctioned and written by hauppauge who was given the algorithm

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wagner:

kormoc: heavily optimized intel code puts a 3GHz quad xeon at ~80GFLOPS, so your dual-quad 2.8 cant be considered more than 150GFLOPS, bit the TFLOPS you were claiming

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wagner:

s/bit/not/

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kormoc:

wagner, reread what I said. I totally read TFLOP as GFLOP in your statements and were arguing that...

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mobrien:

right, but why wouldn't hauppauge provide alg for linux devs? i haven't heard they're actively undermining us, rather just havent written us a driver

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wagner:

fair enough

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letmeknow:

which driver is used when i use mythv

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kormoc:

mobrien, they might not be able to due to licensing and the like

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MrMunkily:

contractual obligations

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iamlindoro__:

mobrien, They're not actively undermining linux development, but that doesn't mean they can pass on info they signed NDAs on

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kormoc:

letmeknow, whatever one you tell it to. Myth doesn't have drivers, it uses any v4l driver

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mobrien:

NDA w/ who? Their usb interface chipset vendor?

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iamlindoro__:

mobrien, The problem isn't to do with the USB interface at all

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mobrien:

I guess I could use backstory on where the #s come from

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mobrien:

:)

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wagner:

chipset vendor, h264 encoder vendor, we dont know how much they designed, and how much they just bought off-the-shelf

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letmeknow:

kormoc, i have bttv driver then

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iamlindoro__:

authentication w/ the encoder chips themselves

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mobrien:

afk now for a bit... be back in a while to inquire more

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kormoc:

letmeknow, so yes, myth will use the bttv driver to capture the video

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iamlindoro__:

wagner, It's an encoder chip purchased from a third party

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letmeknow:

well when i start it nothing happens

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letmeknow:

kormoc is there any parameter to be given while loading driver ?

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iamlindoro__:

Hahah @ the users list "I'd be happy to test the HD-PVR driver to give back to the myth community" "Yes, me too!"

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iamlindoro__:

har har, "to give back to the myth community"

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kormoc:

letmeknow, sure, depends on your card

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iamlindoro__:

HD-PVR @ my doorstep

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abqjp:

I just got an email from Hauppauge, they now expect to ship mine on Thursday.

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Dagmar:

So basically, you got in the second shipment group then

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MrMunkily:

Man if some told me 5 years ago that people would be so excited over an analog hole product, I'd have given them the crazy eyes.

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|Torg|:

iamlindoro did you get notified it shipped?

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iamlindoro__:

|Torg|, mine has arrived.

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|Torg|:

mine, has not

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malaTG80:

Hi everyone

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wagner:

hola

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iamlindoro__:

|Torg|, yeah, though, I got a shipping notice Thursday when it went out.

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malaTG80:

I have a ACPI question or rather a mythtv ACPI question

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|Torg|:

well I guess it will get here when it gets here, I only orderd it a month ago :)

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malaTG80:

My ACPI works outside mythtv

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malaTG80:

but not inside

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justinh:

eh?

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malaTG80:

Any one got a good idea on how to track down the problem

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iamlindoro__:

|Torg|, yeah, I think they're pretty optimistic that they're going to get most of their preorders out really quickly

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malaTG80:

ACPI shutdown by the way

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|Torg|:

ACPI isnt a myth thing

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justinh:

malaTG80: permissions are normally the root of the problem

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letmeknow:

kormoc: is there a list where i can find my card the parameter to be used for it

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justinh:

/etc/sudoers to the rescue

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malaTG80:

well shutdown by ACPI within myth is

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|Torg|:

ACPI is a biod thing with drives that allow you to talk to it, or more precisly poke drictly into bios the ugly way

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janneg:

answered on the user list

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malaTG80:

hmmm is there some log where the errors should appear?

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justinh:

make sure the user mythfrontend is running as, has permission to run the shutdown/wakeuptime setting scripts

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kormoc:

letmeknow, google might know

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|Torg|:

iamlindoro did you get the linux drivers for it, all I can find are the windows ones

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malaTG80:

justinh: It feels like I should get a error in some log if the permissons doesn't work....

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iamlindoro__:

|Torg|, the linux drivers are community driven and not yet released

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iamlindoro__:

But they are underway

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janneg:

|Torg|: linux drivers are atm only on my computers, I'm cleaning them up now and try to release them later today

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|Torg|:

yes I know that, I didnt know if they were done yet. For that matter I woould help code them if I knew where to go

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|Torg|:

as for testing, since mine has not arrived yet, its kind of irellivant

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janneg:

|Torg|: try solving http://www.grunau.be/riddle.txt

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MrMunkily:

janneg: You mentioned something about not complaining until later? what did you mean?

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Dagmar:

janneg: How are you managing to pick the challenge bytes?

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Dagmar:

I mean, clearly the columns on the left are hand-picked, but I would have thought this type of challenge would be originating from the unit and not the PC, or am I just missing something?

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janneg:

I don't want to see weird allogations on slashdot and there is a real risk that the algorithm is changed with a firmware update

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|Torg|:

janneg: can you give me ahint of where the data is, what its for and what it represents?

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kormoc:

|Torg|, it's the challenge-responce for the HDPVR, it's required for it to work, left is the challenge, right is the correct response

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janneg:

Dagmar: hacked usbfs and running the windows driver under VirtualBox

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Dagmar:

AH!

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Dagmar:

That's what I was hoping

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kormoc:

janneg, any way you can attach a debugger to the windows driver?

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Dagmar:

kormoc: THat might actually be breaking the rules

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MrMunkily:

That might be cheating

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kormoc:

heh, fair 'nuff

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Dagmar:

rules being um, onerous laws

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janneg:

kormoc: I tried the demo of syser (soft ice) but it doesn't worked as intended. I couldn't set a breakpoint on driver load

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kormoc:

ick

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Dagmar:

The only other option is rather unpleasant...

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Dagmar:

To give it the data, freeze it, find where it stored that, and then look at any function that touches that memory until the operation is complete

[17:41:55]

Dagmar:

I've got not the *slightest* idea how to pull that off under x86 tho

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Dagmar:

I've not had to do some of this crap on over 15 years

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janneg:

I think disassembling RE for compatibility ise here(TM) ok

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kormoc:

Dagmar, with an debugger attached to the correct memory location, it's not overly hard... just a pain in the ass

[17:42:41]

Dagmar:

Yeah but I've no idea how to do it.

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malaTG80:

justinh: Alright I may have found the problem. I tried to do this command as the user mythtv "Sorry, user mythtv is not allowed to execute '/bin/sh -c echo "2008-05–26 17:58:00" > /proc/acpi/alarm' as root on mala-desktop." How can I resolve this?

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malaTG80:

but I used sudo

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ixion:

when installing lirc from source is it supposed to create the /etc/init.d/lirc startup script ?

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iamlindoro__:

ixion, No, when installing from source the init scripts are the user's responsibility

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kormoc:

janneg, what bout on the linux side? Can you fake a challenge to the driver (so you have a known value), pause the emulator, search the memory for the location and then wach it?

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janneg:

it should be possible but I think it's too complicated

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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Dagmar:

Well, what are you considering the benchmark for "too" complicated

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Dagmar:

All this new chosen data very much helps

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ixion:

I dont understand the documentation then... how do I start lirc?

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janneg:

Dagmar: if you have a idea what challenges might help I'm all ears

[17:48:55]

Dagmar:

janneg: I'll come up with a list.

[17:49:24]

Dagmar:

Clearly there's a weakness in the next to last octet and the lower nybbles of the sixth and seventh octets

[17:49:42]

Dagmar:

I just gotta keep folding hte numbers until something else shows up, either a hole or the obvious operation

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ixion:

documenation on lirc website goes, compiling – done; installing – done; testing hardware (doesnt apply), uninstalling

[17:51:58]

ixion:

where is "starting" ?

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kormoc:

that's up to you

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ixion:

well I modprobed the drvier

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ixion:

plugged in the device

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kormoc:

it's distro and os dependent

[17:52:43]

jblack:

So you think you've successfully installed it, and now you have no idea as to what to do next?

[17:53:02]

ixion:

well if I had installed from a package I would /etc/init.d/lirc start

[17:53:26]

ixion:

but yes, what you said basically

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kormoc:

ixion, so find a init.d script for your distro or write one?

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Dagmar:

Ah but you didn't install from a package, so you get to read the docs, use your head, and figure out how it works

[17:53:50]

Dagmar:

It's not particularly hard.

[17:53:56]

Dagmar:

...just a lot of fiddly bits to it

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|Torg|:

take something simlar it lirc and hack it initscript replacing that somthing bianires for lirc

[17:55:16]

malaTG80:

does anyone know how to solve my permission problem for my mythtv user?

[17:55:30]

malaTG80:

Have tried to fix it with visudo but ut doesnt seem to work

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Dagmar:

Hm... I keep finding more dead spaces in the hash

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Dagmar:

janneg: Perhaps after this someone should send a little poster with the words "Hemming Value" to the people who made this chip

[17:58:34]

janneg:

yes, it's pretty weak I've found up to 16 bits where toggling it doesn't change the response

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janneg:

but it wasn't obvious how to exploit that and it's too hot think about it properly or I'm too lazy

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Dagmar:

Oh it's not what you exploit directly.

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Dagmar:

I'm looking specifically to isolate what might be the first round of the hashing operation

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kormoc:

I hate hashes...

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Dagmar:

It's bound to start with four bits or eight bits, or possibly 16 bits of the challenge

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Dagmar:

...which is why I'm looking for which bits are being ignored, so I can get an idea of how the data is aligned

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kormoc:

I wish it was just a mask + shift, that's easy to figure out

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Dagmar:

...because this is a shitty hash

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Dagmar:

It'll be hard, but not impossible

[18:01:33]

Dagmar:

More entertaining than freakin' sudoku at any rate, and just about the same kinda thing

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Dagmar:

kormoc: Like the game Elite used. Weeeak

[18:02:03]

Dagmar:

So weeeeak

[18:02:33]

Dagmar:

All through high school and college I almost got more mileage out of breaking the save files for games than actually playing them

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janneg:

Dagmar: I meant exploit as help in figuring the hash algorithm out

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Dagmar:

Ah okay

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Dagmar:

Using http://pastebin.com/d2a451e49 I have spotted something odd

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Dagmar:

...and yes, all it does is show me the reponses which have identical challenges

[18:08:25]

Dagmar:

The challenge of 00001000 00000000 is an oddity

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Dagmar:

THere's this massive set that matches the response of d58ebafd db76fdfd and the 00001000 00000000 looks like it SHOULD fit right in there, but it doesn't

[18:09:54]

ixion:

does the following mean that the IR usb dongle has been detected by lirc? [37430.141488] lirc_mceusb2: Philips eHome USB IR Transciever and Microsoft MCE 2005 Remote Control driver for LIRC $Revision: 1.33 $

[18:10:37]

ixion:

im wondering how I verify that the device is actually working – it shows up in lsusb and I have configured lirc to use mceusb2 but I dont get any action

[18:10:47]

janneg:

Dagmar: 00000200 00000000 and 00000000 08000000 give the same result as 00001000 00000000

[18:10:59]

ixion:

if I run irw lircd stops and has to be started again

[18:11:21]

janneg:

Dagmar: I'll verify them in a moment

[18:11:25]

Dagmar:

janneg: Yeah, but is't that it does *not* match what we get if that 1 is shifted up

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Dagmar:

Grab that perl script from the pastebin. It's crude and data dumper's output is ugly, but it's what I'm using to just go looking with my eyeballs

[18:12:54]

janneg:

Dagmar: I'm using awk -F '\t' '{print $2, $1}' all_cr5.txt | sort | less

[18:13:10]

Dagmar:

Ah so pretty much the same thing then

[18:13:22]

janneg:

yes

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Dagmar:

Cuz if that's correct, unless they decided to bit shift by threes and fives or something, that discontinuity has to be a clue

[18:15:36]

** iamlindoro__ has to be careful or he might accidentally learn something **

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stoth:

hmm

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stoth:

janneg: You're planning to release later today?

[18:24:14]

** jduggan just released **

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jduggan:

*snigger*

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gbee:

not all possible challenges are there?

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gbee:

nevermind, the awk/sort was hiding some

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janneg:

stoth: yes, at least something others could try and possible work with

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Dagmar:

gbee: I think the file would be a lot bigger if the entire space had been walked

[18:26:59]

Dagmar:

Like, LOTS bigger

[18:27:05]

gbee:

yeah

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stoth:

janneg: great

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gbee:

I'm not having any inspiration, I'm seeing the same patterns that everyone else probably is but I can't quite connect the dots

[18:28:25]

janneg:

Dagmar: I've confirmed those three challenges. they still give the same response

[18:28:41]

Dagmar:

Seeing what this tech is using to probe the inside of the UPS to check it's health right now, I kinda want to kill my boss

[18:28:59]

Dagmar:

He had me remove all those damn batteries by hand last year when we installed it, so we could slide the thing two inches

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Dagmar:

janneg: Okay, so that's definitely something at least a little significant then

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Dagmar:

Damn the one problem about looking up whitepapers on cracking hashes is that you keep finding documents written by people trying to make better associative arrays

[18:31:59]

opello:

it might be useful to start at 00000000 00000001 and shift the one all the way to the left, grabbing the responses for each?

[18:32:11]

opello:

unless the given list already covers that space

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Dagmar:

opello: *most* of those are in there actually

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opello:

ah ok

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Dagmar:

This is how we know a few of the bits just don't have any effect on the output

[18:32:49]

opello:

yeah

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Dagmar:

I'm hoping to find any pair of bits that appear to cancel each other out

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kormoc:

Dagmar, but that's seemingly not the entire case (0, 10, vs 1, 11)

[18:33:31]

Dagmar:

I used to know simple formulas to run on this stuff to spot significance, but I'm having to go re-research them

[18:33:57]

janneg:

Dagmar: there should be all single bit on values in

[18:33:59]

Dagmar:

kormoc: Yeah there's a couple oddballs. Considering no one generally does their hashing one bit at a time that's gotta be significant

[18:34:53]

Dagmar:

It seems like the logical thing would be to use groups of at least four bits, adn since there's a number of nybbles that don't, it's looking more and more like four bits is the unit to look for

[18:35:08]

Dagmar:

er a number of nybbles that don't matter to the output

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gbee:

ok, I've spent all the time I can afford on that, let me know what the answer was when you figure it out :)

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Dagmar:

hehe suuure

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janneg:

gbee: just look in an upcomming kernel

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gbee:

:)

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gbee:

I like a good puzzle but I'd probably not come to the answer on this one before I got bored or distracted ;) I may as well just work on what I'd planned for this evening

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janneg:

Dagmar: I've created #hdpvr, we might should continue our discussion there

[18:47:09]

janneg:

I heard some fears discussing this in a public legged channel

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highelf_:

hi there, i have a nova 500 pci dvb-t card with 2 tuners. since i actualised my xorg.conf with Option "TexturedVideo" "true" i see live-tv and recorded tv twice in myth front end. it the same image on the half upper and lower display. any advice ?

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kormoc:

highelf_, turn off texturedvideo?

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highelf_:

kormoc: if i turn it off (default in xorg.conf) i have very slow tv, because mythtv can't use Xv acceleration.

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ixion:

what do I need to install to get irw ?

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ixion:

lirc-0.8.3.tar.bz2 – doesnt seem to have it

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kormoc:

ixion, has it for me (tm)(r)

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kormoc:

highelf_, and your videocard is?

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ixion:

hmm, did I need to specify something during ./configure to install the tools ?

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gbee:

highelf_: card and which driver?

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highelf_:

kormoc: i have a mb amd780g with onboard video but nothing plugged in. my outpu is from vgafrom ati 3450 hd card in extra slot. os is kubuntu 8.04, i'm using the ati-fglrx driver

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highelf_:

recodring works all nice, also kaffeine or mplayer videos

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gbee:

highelf_: what driver version?

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highelf_:

gbee: kubuntu stable. how can i check exactly what version i have? fglxrinfo says OpenGL version string: 2.1.7412 Release

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highelf_:

gbee: Version: 8.47.3 (X.log) and kerne 2.6.24–17

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gbee:

hmm, no idea where they get that version number from – ATi have never released a "8.47.3"

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highelf_:

gbee: i got it from the X.log , it says Kernel Module Version Information Date: Feb 25 2008 and that version

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gbee:

they got to 8.42.3 before changing their version numbering scheme and then it became 7.11, we're currently on 8.5 (running 8.4 here)

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gbee:

they release a new driver every month, so that's at least 3 versions behind

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highelf_:

it's the "kubuntu 8.04" auto-install-version. If I play videos in mythtv with internal or mplayer everything is also ok

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gbee:

fglrx driver doesn't even claim 3400 series support until the April release

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highelf_:

gbee: I guess you try to tell me to upgrade first and come back later ? :)

[19:10:02]

gbee:

I'm using 8.4 with a Radeon x1250 (hdmi) and xv works just fine here (texturedvideo isn't enabled)

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gbee:

highelf_: I suggest upgrading to 8.4, I wouldn't go as far as 8.5 yet

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tim1:

!list 1x

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gbee:

http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html

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highelf_:

thx, i'll try

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laga:

highelf_: please

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laga:

highelf_: use envy-ng to install the driver on ubuntu

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highelf__:

laga: adept wants some kde4 libs for envy-qt package. do i really want envy-ng ?

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laga:

highelf__: it's probably cleaner than installing from ati's scripts (although i believe these aren't so bad). maybe there's a howto somewhere to show you how to do it without kde4

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alan756:

hi.. my menus have vanished.. i just have a blue background... renamed .mythtv dir, logged out and back in, but no change...

[19:32:24]

Dagmar:

You enabled OpenGL rendering and you don't have support working

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Dagmar:

Go back to the Qt renderer

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MrMunkily:

there's a command-line option to force the frontend to use Qt... I don't recall what it is though

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alan756:

ok.. how... setup has the same issue.. blue screen... what file can i tweak/erase?

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iamlindoro__:

mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

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highelf__:

laga: i did it the wiki-ati-way, let's restart X :)

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Dagmar:

It's in the wiki

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gbee:

setup screens wouldn't be affected if it was just a painter issue, they don't use mythui yet

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, think maybe he means mythtv-setup (as opposed to options screens)

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gbee:

ah-hah, that makes sense ;)

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alan756:

iamlindoro: thanks!

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iamlindoro__:

alan756, np, I just said how, Dagmar was the one w/ the answer :)

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alan756:

right, thanks to Dagmar too! :-)

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tim1:

hey guys

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javatexan:

Grey are you around I need to ask for the multiple FE sharing the single BE video folder, is it better to use smb or nfs or other on that?

[19:42:56]

tim1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI-pct3zy18

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iamlindoro__:

The related of all of them doing the hub is even better

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laga:

tim1: why are you posting countless craOMG It's hilarious

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iamlindoro__:

javatexan, nfs has a speed edge, samba is more directly windows compatible, choose for your needs

[19:45:22]

javatexan:

also, is there a better way to test changes in fstab other than restart???

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javatexan:

okay..thanks

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iamlindoro__:

javatexan, you can simply unmount and remount the items

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javatexan:

using fstab...thought it only runs at startup

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iamlindoro__:

change the fstab and "mount /path/to/mountpoint"

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javatexan:

really...learn several new things today...cool

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iamlindoro__:

javatexan, It doesn't *run* at all, it's just a table of what mounts where, if you use the mount command above, it will check the fstab for what goes where

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javatexan:

wow...cool...that is much better...thanks

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Andreaz:

mount -a [-t|-O] ... : mount all stuff from /etc/fstab

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iamlindoro__:

^^ Yup, also useful

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Andreaz:

:)

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javatexan:

yeah...got it to work with nfs...but not smb. HMMMMMMM

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highelf:

ok, i'm back with 8.5 ati driver. /usr/bin/mythfrontend.real: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. same error for fglrxinfo :(

[19:49:56]

Dagmar:

So fix your machine

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highelf:

ok, sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 helped

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laga:

one of the reasons why envy-ng might have worked better :)

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iamlindoro__:

laga, Ah, but he followed a wiki, and if it's on a wiki then it's GOT to be true!! :)

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Dagmar:

Did he follow *our* wiki?

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Dagmar:

That makes him not our problem

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highelf:

yeah well anyway, the first issue is still there. i get twice livetv from my dvb-t

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iamlindoro__:

Yep, it's out .21 two-for-one deal

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iamlindoro__:

er our

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highelf:

now even without any special optin in xorg.conf

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Dagmar:

Twice live-tv, four times confused and wasted

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Dagmar:

Gojira!

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highelf:

backend log and frontend logs don't really tells me about showing anything twice

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laga:

highelf: have you tried searching the archives?

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laga:

i think it's a common problem with ati

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Andreaz:

Twice live-tv? What should that mean? 2 Pictures on one monitor ?

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iamlindoro__:

Someone set up us the two times TV

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highelf:

ah, i asked google, but "twice livetv" wasnt a real help )

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Dagmar:

I dont' even ask for clarification anymore when people say something that doesn't make sense.

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Andreaz:

rofl

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jblack:

You sound ready to become a dad

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iamlindoro__:

I have that power w/ my girlfriend

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laga:

iamlindoro__: becoming a dad?

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laga:

duh

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iamlindoro__:

haha

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iamlindoro__:

the not asking for clarification bit, but I suppose the latter also

[19:55:41]

iamlindoro__:

terrifyingly enough

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laga:

dont abuse your powers

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laga:

;)

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iamlindoro__:

*exactly*

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jblack:

If you're not asking your girlfriend for clarification, then you lack the procreation rights you think you have.

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Dagmar:

My gf is pretty, and that's going to have to be enough.

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iamlindoro__:

I try to set the bar low so that she doesn't feel the need to make me understand things

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Andreaz:

Enough to laugh here...

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laga:

jblack: well, you should for clarification regarding contraceptive measures, but that probably renders your procreation right obsolete

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highelf:

laga: you say its a common ati issue. I can only find topic about Xv or tv-out related to ati on the ml. maybe (for sure) I wasn't precise about my issue: when i watch live-tv or recorded tv i get 2 time the video stream on my vga-ouptut hd3450 card. Even the OSD is beeing displayed twice. One of both picutres is on the upper half, the second on the lower half of the screen.. mplayer, kaffeine and viedo played with the internal player

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highelf:

are fine.

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iamlindoro__:

Funny, I found lots of results on the first page of google "ati mythtv double video"

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iamlindoro__:

Including a solution

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highelf:

twice must be too complicated. thanks

[20:02:40]

iamlindoro__:

no, "twice video" just isn't proper english

[20:03:30]

highelf:

my mistake anyway g

[20:03:35]

iamlindoro__:

http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8358

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iamlindoro__:

should help-- appears to be related to interlaced video

[20:03:52]

iamlindoro__:

change your deinterlacer and you should be fine

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Dagmar:

"twice video" is just plain nonsense.

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Andreaz:

ATI Cards include the new way of PiP ? Crazy...

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Dagmar:

So just for the record, I'm less forging than iamlindoro and the "twice must be too complicated. thanks" comment completely destroyed any chance I might look closely at your problem.

[20:05:43]

Dagmar:

Don't be a jackass to people who might help you.

[20:05:47]

alan756:

i've got a mce 1039 remote, and the rew/ff buttons seem to be reversed... irw in a shell reports the right buttons..

[20:05:47]

highelf:

iamlindoro__ last question of the day, should i look for the deinterlacer in frontend setting or backend ?

[20:05:48]

iamlindoro__:

Andreaz, Yeah, it's called Picture-on-Picture, it's all the rage in Europe

[20:05:53]

iamlindoro__:

highelf, Frontend

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Andreaz:

hrhr

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iamlindoro__:

Ati includes lots of exciting new features, like one where it slows down your video playback, allowing you to see and appreciate it in greater detail :)

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highelf:

Dagmar: i'm maybe just not english native speaker mythtv newbie. sorry for beeing so rude. there was no mean. thank you a lot to the channel for the help i got :)

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** iamlindoro__ basks in being called forgiving for the first time in his life :) **

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Dagmar:

hehe

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javatexan:

okay...yippeeee... I can see the videos, i can call up the list, I just can't start them...any ideas...I've tried <enter>, <space>, and click so far... LOL :D

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javatexan:

that is in the new FE...the original <enter> works to start them

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GreyFoxx:

java: in mythvideo ?

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Dagmar:

The screen should at least go black

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javatexan:

yeppers

[20:10:09]

Dagmar:

Now I'm confused

[20:10:09]

GreyFoxx:

java: Maybe your defined player doesn't exist?

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javatexan:

nope...no change I still just see the list with the one I <enter>'d on still highlighted

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iamlindoro__:

javatexan, Is it flicking "Loading xxx movie" and then just goes right back, or nothing at all?

[20:10:32]

javatexan:

player says mplayer -fs....

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javatexan:

nothing

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GreyFoxx:

and is mplayer installed on the new maching in the path that your mythfrontend can find?

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iamlindoro__:

javatexan, Think GreyFoxx is probably on to something, have you tried mplayer file.ext from the command line?

[20:11:11]

javatexan:

i think...i will see.hold on

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Dagmar:

"HI THAR! This is an ubuntu stub script that has been automatically installed to completely break any scripts you have which check for executeable names in your $PATH. This script will now error out and take your application with it. Thankx!"

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javatexan:

it is doing playback from cmdline

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GreyFoxx:

look at the output of mythfrontend

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javatexan:

no video mind you...

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javatexan:

where

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iamlindoro__:

by running mythfrontend from the terminal

[20:13:05]

GreyFoxx:

it outputs to the console unless you tell it to log it

[20:13:10]

GreyFoxx:

yes, run it from a terminal

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directhex:

mythvideo does not depend on mplayer

[20:15:15]

laga:

Dagmar: huh

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Dagmar:

laga: I really, really hate that aspect of ubuntu

[20:15:55]

GreyFoxx:

direc: It does if he has it defined as his player to be called ;)

[20:15:55]

directhex:

which? i can only tink of perldoc which does it

[20:15:58]

laga:

Dagmar: regarding mythtv or just in general?

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Dagmar:

In general.

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, the mythvideo package does not Depends: on mplayer. it Recommends: it. given mythvideo can function fine without it, that's the correct place to put the dependency

[20:16:56]

Dagmar:

Just about anything you *might* install but haven't yet, they've got a hook in there so that if you call it from the command line, you get this message explaining how to isntall it instead of a command not found error.

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javatexan:

its using the path from the local server so it is looking for movie at /.../movie.mp4 instead of /media/server/..../movie.mp4

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laga:

Dagmar: sudo aptitude remove command-not-found

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directhex:

Dagmar, erm, that's a bash function which still returns the exit code

[20:18:27]

directhex:

Dagmar, it does not interfere with application availability checks

[20:18:35]

iamlindoro__:

javatexan, You should be mounting your mythvideo store at identical locations on each frontend

[20:18:47]

Dagmar:

directhex: Still, it's hatefully chatty

[20:19:19]

javatexan:

so I should force both FE (server and other one) to use the share?

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javatexan:

okay...i will try

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iamlindoro__:

javatexan, not sure what you mean by force, they should just have identical paths on each FE

[20:19:55]

directhex:

anyway, there's one valid moan here

[20:20:06]

Dagmar:

He's talking about something unrelated

[20:20:09]

iamlindoro__:

ie /path/to/my/filthy/porno/

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directhex:

laga, shouldn't mythvideo's defaults be switched to Internal if mplayer | xine | ogle aren't guaranteed to be installed?

[20:20:28]

javatexan:

I dont have that one....can you link me?

[20:20:42]

laga:

directhex: probably. ETOOTIRED ;)

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javatexan:

mine is /path/to/my/kids/filthy/cartoons

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|Torg|:

its in /home/mythtv/loop0/crypto :)

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iamlindoro__:

you sick son of a bitch

[20:21:28]

** iamlindoro__ calls CPS **

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javatexan:

lol...you are sick iamlindoro....sick...sick

[20:21:36]

javatexan:

LOL

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directhex:

cor, that minnie mouse, wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating crisps

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directhex:

that's potato chips to you yanks

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iamlindoro__:

only with more vinegar

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Dagmar:

We have more sense than to put vinegar all over our chips

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Dagmar:

I think you want the Canadians next door.

[20:23:15]

Dagmar:

They're the ones with four thousand different flavors of potato chips in the mini-mart

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iamlindoro__:

And they make that artery clogging thing with their french fries, whattayacallit

[20:23:43]

iamlindoro__:

with all the YUM on it

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EvilGuru:

Does mythtv support anything akin to ReplayGain? Such as scanning a recording for the first couple of minutes then applying some kind of gain

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Dagmar:

Yay for CNN

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Dagmar:

EvilGuru: nope

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janneg:

Dagmar: have you noticed that we switched to #hdpvr for HD PVR related things

[20:26:36]

javatexan:

how do you do one on local machine in fstab /path/to/base /media/mythvideos ?cifs? iocharset=utf8 0 0 ??????

[20:27:35]

tim1:

mythfrontend just changed channel by its self ?

[20:27:39]

Dagmar:

CNN just aired a story about BestBuy's computer recycling program, and showed some people playing GTA4 looks like... said "people" turned out to be a couple of kids in the 12–13 years old range when the camera angle changed

[20:27:53]

justinh:

tim1: it doesn't like American idol. get used to that

[20:27:57]

Dagmar:

Like, yay... let's let minors play GTA4 even though we won't sell it to them

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EvilGuru:

Is it the kind of thing which is theoretically possible, or are there technical limitations preventing it

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javatexan:

sorry...kindof new to fstab... .thought it was an old file file stabber or something like that

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tim1:

ahh that must have been why lol

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Dagmar:

evilgur: Just about anything is technically possible. That's what user jobs are for

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Dagmar:

janneg: No, but I'm making a note of it now. :)

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iamlindoro__:

and patches, patches do that

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tim1:

ï»¿justinh: its my fault i stopped dual record from 1 card ?

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iamlindoro__:

It's just that they haven't been written yet

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justinh:

tim1: maybe, maybe

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tim1:

ï»¿justinh: nah it is!! i have two tuners both wana record.

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tim1:

my legs are killing me.

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tim1:

need a more comfy chair.

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justinh:

don't let them carry you off in their SUV & ditch the passenger seat ...

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BaZiL:

anyone here from sweden ?

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tim1:

u should see my chair utter CR*P

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javatexan:

okay...fixed that..and reran the video manager....I am running it from the cmdline but it is freezing...esc no worky

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javatexan:

guess I will have to change to run in winder

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BaZiL:

i got a problem with my myhthtv .. one of the channels on my set .. ZTV . changed chanpos .. and Tv6 took its place .. its ok for me but i want the mythfilldatabase to add the listing for tv6 instead on that chanplace... how do i change that ?

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directhex:

oh, iamlindoro, the second blender movie is rather better than the first

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iamlindoro__:

It could only be!

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directhex:

wifey is watching it

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justinh:

Emo? Emo! EMO! Emo? EMO?! EEEEEEMo?

[20:50:58]

directhex:

in de hud!

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Dagmar:

blender movie?

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MrMunkily:

It looked real purty though

[20:51:46]

Dagmar:

Is it called "Elephant Dies of Boredom"?

[20:51:49]

directhex:

Dagmar, www.bugbuckbunny.org iirc

[20:51:52]

directhex:

big

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directhex:

bah

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directhex:

i can't type

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directhex:

www.bigbuckbunny.org

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Dagmar:

Cuz the last one really could have used, I dunno... a PLOT

[20:52:21]

Dagmar:

Or one that doesn't suck.

[20:52:46]

justinh:

whatever Elephants Dream was all about, it still looked better than anything George Lucas has had a hand in since 1985

[20:52:47]

Dagmar:

It's clear that about a million people sat down and over-fretworked every possible thing in it, which is great and all, but useless when there's no meaning to it all

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javatexan:

okay.....i ran mythfrontend from cmdline and it says starting playback, but ...no video....LOL

[20:53:25]

Dagmar:

justinh: Well, I suppose George could hire schoolkids to use markers to detail every available surface in his next film

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directhex:

Dagmar, hence big buck bunny has *omg* a plot

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javatexan:

it actually says Video:no video

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javatexan:

Starting playback....

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directhex:

Dagmar, a simple one, given it's only 10 minutes, but...

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linxeh:

hi there, I'm currently trying to decide what I need for a mythtv backend for normal DVB terrestrial in the UK, and possibly some DVB-S later. I've got the capture cards I want to use, but I'm wondering at the backend hardware... would a 2.0ghz p4 be enough, or should I use the amd 3500+ I've got instead ?

[20:53:56]

Dagmar:

Putting in this level of detail takes serious people time

[20:54:01]

Dagmar:

REndering time is cheap by comparison

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directhex:

linxeh, p3–500.

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MrMunkily:

ED took blender's development forward by about 4 normal development years

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MrMunkily:

in something like 9 months

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justinh:

linxeh: my athlon 800 did a cracking job as a backend for a long time

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Dagmar:

linuxeh: So long as you're not having the CPU encode video in realtime (i.e., you're getting digital video directly) it doesn't actually take a lot of CPU

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linxeh:

ok, so the p4–2ghz is more than enough to record a couple of simultaneous streams and playback a couple ?

[20:55:15]

justinh:

linxeh: yeah

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Dagmar:

Hahah playback

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linxeh:

yeah, I dont want to encode mpeg – I want to just record stream

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Dagmar:

Playback gets interesting

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directhex:

linxeh, which needs no cpu time

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directhex:

linxeh, playback is a frontend question

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Dagmar:

For MPG you shoudl be fine

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linxeh:

its possible I would want to have the backend box act as a simple front end for one room too

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directhex:

linxeh, and IS cpu-hungry

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Dagmar:

For H.264-encoded video, CPU requirements are pretty monstrous

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linxeh:

I'll be using DVB-T and DVB-S, possibly some divx/xvid for my DVD collection

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justinh:

h.264 only needs a strong CPU for playback though, not recording ;)

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|Torg|:

thats only if the source is already h264

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justinh:

true

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justinh:

not that I think there's much out there which can transcode into h.264 in realtime on a common or garden CPU

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MrMunkily:

How strong are we talking? I've got a X2 5000+. can it hack it? (h.264 1080i)

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|Torg|:

becase if you know a way to go from h262 to h264 in anything near real time id love to know

[20:58:23]

Dagmar:

MrMunkily: The terrifying answer is "probably"

[20:58:33]

MrMunkily:

That is, unfortunately, what I figured

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Dagmar:

It's very bitchy

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iamlindoro__:

I do, play it through an HD-PVr :)

[20:59:10]

Dagmar:

hah

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gbee:

linxeh: basically a 1Ghz would be more than enough for recording and simultaneous playback of Standard Definition material with DVB-S/T in the UK – HD (BBC HD etc) will require at least a 2Ghz DUAL CORE, processor (recommend closer to 2.5Ghz really) for playback on the frontend device, the backend doesn't need anything more than it would with SD

[21:02:03]

gbee:

therefore for a combined frontend/backend box, pretty much any desktop CPU made in the last five years should cope just fine as long as you are only planning to watch SD

[21:02:48]

linxeh:

gbee: I don't have any HD stuff (yet) – it will be some time before I get any HD displays (I see my Sony WEGA lasting for many more years yet)

[21:03:22]

linxeh:

so I should be fine with my projected setup for now at least, and I can easily upgrade later

[21:03:25]

linxeh:

cool :)

[21:04:17]

gbee:

|Torg|: any particular h.262 in mind? I've not seen any in the wild except for the ITV HD stream which is actually h.264

[21:05:08]

linxeh:

are the UK HDTV streams on DVB-T or S ?

[21:05:16]

iamlindoro__:

Yes

[21:05:17]

iamlindoro__:

haha

[21:05:22]

iamlindoro__:

for most people, S

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iamlindoro__:

Where most = 99%+

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linxeh:

so they arent broadcast on terrestrial yet, or?

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EvilGuru:

Doesn't freesat broadcast an HD channel or two?

[21:07:02]

directhex:

there was a test stream at crystal palace

[21:07:04]

directhex:

but nothing now

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linxeh:

k

[21:07:12]

directhex:

EvilGuru, two on freesat, yes

[21:07:24]

EvilGuru:

Otherwise I /think/ (read: I have no idea) that we will have to wait for DVB-T2

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gbee:

three FTA on DVB-S, two on freesat (BBC, ITV) and the pretty pointless Luxe HD

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javatexan:

okay...finally found an error.....Says: Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device

[21:08:40]

iamlindoro__:

Soooooooo change that

[21:08:55]

iamlindoro__:

Or even better, use Internal instead of mplayer

[21:08:59]

EvilGuru:

gbee: What resolution are they?

[21:10:13]

gbee:

not sure about ITV HD – ffmpeg can't deal with the codec obfuscation yet – BBC HD is 1440x1080i iirc

[21:10:38]

gbee:

haven't even checked the res on luxe yet

[21:10:41]

directhex:

amy winehouse showing off her bongos: http://kotaku.com/assets/images/kotaku/2008/0 . . . ey_konga.jpg

[21:11:04]

iamlindoro__:

directhex, Watch out, she will cut you. With her elbows.

[21:11:20]

directhex:

eek @ sharp knees

[21:11:39]

laga:

i wish she'd get a hair cut

[21:11:41]

tim1:

How dose one setup interlacing in the new mythtvfrontend

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EvilGuru:

I'd wish she would say out of public

[21:12:10]

iamlindoro__:

utilties/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, Page three, edit a profile and look on the second page.

[21:12:18]

janneg:

gbee: have you got a sample for me? occupied with the HD PVR now though

[21:12:26]

iamlindoro__:

and it's *de* interlacing by the by

[21:13:20]

Chutt:

janneg, what profile h264 does this put out?

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directhex:

laga, kids these days should stop doing pussy drugs like crack to get high. i'm waiting to hear when the indistrt's finest are kickboxing against walruses to get a rush

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EvilGuru:

1440x1080... 4/3?

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iamlindoro__:

EvilGuru, It's stretched on playback

[21:15:00]

iamlindoro__:

16:9

[21:15:31]

iamlindoro__:

It actually looks pretty phenominal

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gbee:

much nicer than anything I've seen from Sky's HD lineup

[21:16:35]

EvilGuru:

iamlindoro__: Doesn't it look at all distorted (or am I missing something)

[21:17:04]

MrMunkily:

It sounds neat, but what kind of standard does it conform to? Or does HDTV not really need to fit into those categories?

[21:17:11]

iamlindoro__:

EvilGuru, Nope, looks great. Actually, it's arguably the best broadcast HD in the world right now

[21:17:12]

gbee:

EvilGuru: no, in the same way that widescreen SD doesn't look distorted even though it's broadcast as a 4:3 image

[21:17:43]

iamlindoro__:

on account of the good codec choice, well tuned encoder options, and high-ass bitrate

[21:18:08]

MrMunkily:

Can regular TVs decode that or is there an STB?

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iamlindoro__:

MrMunkily, well, as there's no TV in the world equipped to receive it, you need *something*

[21:18:41]

janneg:

Chutt: I don't know, profile is mainly determined by the bitrate, right?

[21:18:44]

directhex:

panasonic are shipping a tv with built-ni freesat hd

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iamlindoro__:

or that :)

[21:18:54]

Chutt:

janneg, well, not necessarily

[21:18:59]

Chutt:

by the encoder

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MrMunkily:

oh, looking up freesat then

[21:19:14]

Chutt:

stuff like how many reference frames required, b-frame usage, etc

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directhex:

http://www.panasonic.co.uk/html/en_GB/729692/ . . . anker_729694

[21:19:22]

iamlindoro__:

MrMunkily, read: Not receivable by you in the US :)

[21:19:27]

gbee:

MrMunkily: needs a h.264 capable STB, either Freesat, Sky+ or Virgin's PVR if you have cable

[21:19:36]

Chutt:

i should grab the sample vid and see if it plays on the tegra stuff

[21:19:36]

iamlindoro__:

And view of the cloudy british sky

[21:19:39]

gbee:

obviously the FreeSat STB is the cheapest option

[21:20:21]

tim1:

Any one can give me some advise i would like to programme xbmc and mythtv. what course do I take or where do I start

[21:20:28]

MrMunkily:

:( satellites live in mysterious space! damn that "line of sight" thing

[21:20:43]

iamlindoro__:

yeah, but it's someone *else's* mysterious space :)

[21:20:47]

directhex:

tim1, buy a book on c++

[21:21:28]

gbee:

don't just need line of sight for these satellites, you need to be within their targetted footprint, which means you have to live in the UK

[21:22:37]

tim1:

thanks directhex

[21:22:46]

gbee:

they don't blast their signal out in all directions like some sats, they use a narrow focused transmitter

[21:22:56]

directhex:

they're shaped like tubes!

[21:23:01]

directhex:

astra2 is a series of tubes

[21:23:03]

tim1:

i just been baned from ubuntu for asking what is ubuntu programed on

[21:23:14]

directhex:

about 100 languages

[21:23:42]

iamlindoro__:

If it makes you feel any better we can find someone to ban you here if you can come up with another equally-silly question :)

[21:23:43]

directhex:

there are 34000 packages in ubuntu

[21:23:46]

MrMunkily:

interesting. Did not know that was done.

[21:24:24]

|Torg|:

gbee: only ATSC h262 to h264, nothing special

[21:24:35]

iamlindoro__:

UPS reports my package as delivery to my "fart door." I weep for our youth.

[21:24:51]

javatexan:

internal did not work with h264 mp4...LOL..but it did try to open it

[21:25:04]

gustave:

is fart door the same as back door I assume?

[21:25:34]

iamlindoro__:

gustave, Yes indeedly

[21:25:40]

|Torg|:

gustave: depends on your sexual persuasion

[21:25:53]

gustave:

also true. Good point

[21:25:57]

** iamlindoro__ considers HD-PVR unbox porn for the users list **

[21:26:25]

|Torg|:

iamlindoro when did you order yours?

[21:26:33]

iamlindoro__:

|Torg|, in the first hour or so of preorders

[21:26:39]

tim1:

ok so it has lost of languages. Not every one knows that

[21:26:46]

Dagmar:

Wow... aside from the PINK I like this design http://www.moneual.com/inovy/101_Pink_gallery.php

[21:26:49]

gustave:

looks like groups 1 and 2 were shipped ending last Thurs

[21:26:50]

Lynet:

Unboxing is just teasing. Taking screwdriver to the thing is the real hardcore stuff.

[21:26:58]

|Torg|:

iamlindoro thanks I was looking for a date, I am trying to figure out why mine has not arrived yet'

[21:27:21]

gustave:

did you do the priority post thing for shipping?

[21:27:22]

tim1:

ï»¿directhex: Any idea where from

[21:27:27]

iamlindoro__:

|Torg|, TBH i'm don't think I remember which date, let me dig up the sales order

[21:27:40]

directhex:

tim1, where from what?

[21:27:53]

iamlindoro__:

|Torg|, April 7, 9:05 AM

[21:28:09]

gustave:

have an order #?

[21:28:17]

mkrufky:

wow.. always talking about the same thing, huh?

[21:28:21]

|Torg|:

me? yes

[21:28:32]

iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, I just answer as asked :)

[21:28:50]

|Torg|:

mine was not untill May 5th 11:04AM, was fufiulled May 7 at 2:41 PM

[21:29:06]

iamlindoro__:

335xx is my order

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mkrufky:

i need to find myself a windows box to hook mine up to

[21:29:24]

gustave:

you are in the first lot

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|Torg|:

346xx for mine

[21:29:30]

iamlindoro__:

gustave, Yes, i know

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directhex:

tim1, ubuntu is a linux distribution, based on debian. it contains software packaged by debian (plus some extra bits), which is written in whatever language a given application's author likes to use. c, fortran, php, whatever

[21:29:44]

iamlindoro__:

And no, I did UPS 2 day btw

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gbee:

boy, there are going to be a lot of unhappy people if the HD-PVR turns out to be crappy ;)

[21:30:12]

directhex:

http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/space/bss . . . pr_01364.jpg #series of tubes!

[21:30:27]

iamlindoro__:

That's a SpaceCan of beans

[21:30:44]

directhex:

beenz!

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gustave:

so, I suspect a person will have to start running SVN to begin testing the HD-PRV when drivers etc. are released

[21:31:05]

tim1:

ï»¿directhex: thanks :)

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|Torg|:

whats SVN :P

[21:31:10]

directhex:

http://www.selkirkshire.demon.co.uk/analogues . . . acutaway.gif

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iamlindoro__:

gustave, last i heard the intent was to backport the changes to .21-fixes

[21:31:20]

gustave:

gbee, Hauppauge will have a big black eye if so

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iamlindoro__:

but anything's possible

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gbee:

only if you like living dangerously

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directhex:

iamlindoro__, and i'd hope freesat code too

[21:31:36]

gustave:

backport after stable testing I would think

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iamlindoro__:

directhex, getting-less-freesat all the time from what I'm hearing

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directhex:

iamlindoro__, quite :|

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iamlindoro__:

gustave, depends on what you mean by "stable testing," as trunk is neither stable nor a reflection of how it will work against -fixes :)

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gbee:

I intend to backport the freesat EIT changes

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directhex:

gbee, and itvhd?

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gbee:

however they aren't even in trunk yet

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|Torg|:

and stable is a relative word, technicaly my updaing the code every few weeks makes it unstable

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gbee:

directhex: if and when janneg can find the time to create a patch

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gustave:

any thoughts on expected eta to trunk?

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|Torg|:

hell my UPS kicking in every day or so i unstable

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|Torg|:

the fact I need a directional antenna and a preamp makes it unstable

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iamlindoro__:

A short while after someone starts writing it, I would assume :)

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gbee:

gustave: whenever I find the time to clean up the patch :)

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gbee:

or you mean the HD-PVR support?

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iamlindoro__:

Not sure if he meant HD-PVR support or itv/freesat

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gustave:

gbee, excellent. Thanks for that

[21:35:19]

gustave:

HD-PVR

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henkpoley:

I'm seeing 3600 wakeups per second from mythfrontend in Powertop.. Can't be healthy..

[21:35:58]

henkpoley:

Anybody any idea how to debug that ?

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gbee:

ahh, well I'd guess once janneg is satisfied with things, so maybe a week or two? I'm really not sure what stage he's at

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gbee:

henkpoley: using a laptop?

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javatexan:

so if you are running mythtv in VMWare which mplayer -vo help should you pick?

[21:37:01]

henkpoley:

Nope, some Asus mobo for amd64

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iamlindoro__:

javatexan, EW

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javatexan:

lol

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iamlindoro__:

x11 *might* work, but hope you don't intend to keep it that way

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linxeh:

heh

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javatexan:

nope...just testing

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directhex:

-vo png

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directhex:

then watch the slideshow in your own time

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gbee:

henkpoley: there is one known issue with polling for redraws, it's not a bug though and may not get fixed for a while

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javatexan:

lol....you are funny guys.....:P

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henkpoley:

It only occurs with some non-myth videos (avi)

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gbee:

henkpoley: well can't help there, first I've heard of it

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henkpoley:

Strac output like: nanosleep({0, 100000000}, <unfinished ...>

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henkpoley:

Does that mean it tries to sleep for "0 nanoseconds"

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henkpoley:

I have the nvidia driver, so it ought to use vblank, isn't it?

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stuarta:

m00

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Anduin1:

henkpoley: you are seeing how strace prints structs

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javatexan:

x11 is the winner!!!!! now if I can just get sound to work in VMWare...well be set for this run

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javatexan:

alfsa doesnt like VMWare apparently ... ;)

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iamlindoro__:

That melmack-ian bastard

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iamlindoro__:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melmac_(planet)

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Lynet:

javatexan: x11/shm works.

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javatexan:

thanks

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Lynet:

javatexan: And Vmware Workstation 6.5 beta supports XVideo if you have a recent vmware xorg driver.

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javatexan:

using vmware server beta, i think

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iamlindoro__:

Ah well, time to go get that thing at my fart door and make some unbox porn

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henkpoley:

Ow wait, it's also doing the 3600 wakups / sec thing with normal recordings.. except those don't skip

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henkpoley:

vmware server 2.0 beta probably doesn't do any hardware acceleration (at least no 3D)

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javatexan:

you are correct

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javatexan:

no acceleration what so ever

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stuarta:

no surprise there

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javatexan:

i cant get sound to work in ubuntu either

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javatexan:

not sure why

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Lynet:

afaik, they are going for graphics accel in their desktop products (player/workstation/whatever the osx-ting is called) and not in server.

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javatexan:

x11 seems to work okay for video though....

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javatexan:

for what I am using it for

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javatexan:

mainly just testing

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henkpoley:

Today I moved an image from vmware fusion (mac) to vmware server 2.0, and vmware kept panicing untill I disabled the 3D accel setting in the vmware settings

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EvilGuru:

What options are their for high-def audio nowadays? As the way I understand it S/P-DIF can only carry DTS/AC3/2-ch PCM and the current nvidia drivers do not support audio-over-HDMI

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javatexan:

I had a very similar thing happen to

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javatexan:

henkpoley: did you get audio working...mine says that it will auto-detect in the VM settings, but it must always fail

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henkpoley:

the host doesn't have working audio, didn't look into it very much.. servers don't need audio :-P

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javatexan:

yeah...yeah...yeah... :)

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defec:

hi, i am trying to my pvr250 to display it's composite input. so far i onyl get a black screen and sound. the system is a unbuntu 8.04. does anyone have some hints on what I may be doing wrong? I selected all teh inputs i could in mythtv backend without any luck.

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Dagmar:

"all the inputs" won't work.

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Dagmar:

You need to select the _composite_ input

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defec:

dagmar i did. audio no screen:(

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defec:

then i tried svideo 1, 2 comp 2, 3 even though it only has rf and one comp input

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defec:

at least my changechannel script works. haha

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defec:

my 2nd card works fine.

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defec:

a pvr150

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defec:

it's always sometihng with this stuff.

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iamlindoro:

http://gallery.mac.com/r.mcnamara#100129& . . . ck&sel=4

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iamlindoro:

There ya go you crazy kids

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abqjp:

iamlindoro, some people are complaining that it only works for 5 minutes or so, then locks up — possibly overheating.

[22:37:16]

iamlindoro:

abqjp: I dunno about that, haven't used it yet

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abqjp:

I hope those are just fluke cases, and the rest of us don't have any such issues.

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iamlindoro:

abqjp: Do you have a link to that discussion?

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Dagmar:

Quick.... Drill a million vent holes in the case

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abqjp:

http://brentevans.blogspot.com/2008/05/answer . . . -hd-pvr.html

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: That little white box... Is that Apple's Time Capsule?

[22:39:27]

iamlindoro:

Dagmar: Airport Basestation, so one generation back from it

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Dagmar:

Ah

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Dagmar:

Wait, the basestation had disks in it?

[22:40:22]

Dagmar:

Man this unit is going to be expensive for me because of all the other upgrades I'm likely to have to do

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: Nope, the basestation has no disk, the Time capsule is the base station + a disk

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iamlindoro:

otherwise identical

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Dagmar:

PLus a TERABYTE of disk

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Dagmar:

That's a lot of disk

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iamlindoro:

A TB of single failable disk :)

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Dagmar:

I mean, I'd argue that with that much disk, the thing is a whole different device

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|Torg|:

umm Dagmar 1TB can be one disk now

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Of course it's a single disk

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Dagmar:

That's why it's "only" $500

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defec:

okay I had ot select comp3 input

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defec:

all is well

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: Did I somehow imply it couldn't be?

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: No doubt, just love that they market it as your household backup solution... so long as that disk doesn't fail, that is :)

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|Torg|:

Dagmar: you said it was a lot, I just no no, just one

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Dagmar:

Well, most of the time as long as those are *actual* backups and not being used as *archival* storage, if it fails, it's no big deal because you have the originals

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, the chances of that disk failing and your main disks failing is fairly small

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: Lot of disk, not disks.

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Dagmar:

I am specific in how I abuse the English language, yo.

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|Torg|:

then you mean a lot of space, and no its a metter of persepctive I guess

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** Dagmar makes a gangsign. **

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Dagmar:

Yes, exactly.

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|Torg|:

I work with PB arrays all the time

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Dagmar:

I'm sitting about 50 yards from god only knows how much disk

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Dagmar:

I know there's at least one 70Tb array in there

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|Torg|:

I just migrated god knows how much this weeend (well its still migrating)

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|Torg|:

and I can now officaly say IBM support SUCKS rocks

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directhex:

|Torg|, SGI support is light years ahead of anyone else i've ever used, FYI

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|Torg|:

the IBM support guy the customer was talking to didnt quite understand how we could direct connect on array to antoher, he kept insiting we needed a switch

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iamlindoro:

HD-PVR is "Bus 008 Device 010: ID 2040:4900 Hauppauge " for anyone interested... Not sure why you would be :)

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abqjp:

Dagmar, if you don't want to spend money on faster hardware, you could contribute to this project instead: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/vaapi

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Dagmar:

I would like to spend *less* money on new hardware, which is why I'm sitting here with a small swarm of stickynotes in front of me

[22:49:01]

|Torg|:

Dagmar: I know a trick, get the used hardware your customers throw out, its how I got my ciscos :)

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iamlindoro:

The HD-PVR is *extremely* light, btw... you would be surprised there are any actual electronics in there

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Dagmar:

Torq: Actually, for some of this i'm using hardware that *I* have left over that I should have already resold

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|Torg|:

gota have space for the video bits :)

[22:50:09]

|Torg|:

I have an HP4 printer with well over 1,000,000 pages printed

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|Torg|:

that was free too

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iamlindoro:

Connectors appear to be on a riser/backplane which flexes in while connecting cables... made me nervous

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Dagmar:

The route I think I'm going to be going if I can't get the damn Myth box to play these x264 videos properly is to take my current desktop machine, upgrade it's guts, put that in teh myth box, and then take the myth box's cpu/md/ram out, put it in a new case with all the damn drives (and the 2Gb of RAM from the desktop) in a new case...

[22:51:23]

Dagmar:

...to use as a SAN box, and then to buy a new CPU/MB/RAM for my desktop

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|Torg|:

hmm sounds like my rotation scheme :)

[22:51:43]

Dagmar:

THAT route will "just" cost me about $180 for the desktop upgrade, and then whatever a new case and PSU cost

[22:51:46]

abqjp:

everytime I upgrade, I play those games.

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|Torg|:

deaktop because frontend, frontend becomes back end, backend becomes slave backend, slave backend becomes mysql server :)

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|Torg|:

actaully more precise would be my desktop becomes wife desktop, wife desktop becomes frontend, .....

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Dagmar:

I have, in the meantime, worked out just about every possible permutation of this

[22:54:30]

Dagmar:

At least I can shortcut SOME of this

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Dagmar:

...since I have the same ASRock 939dual-SATA2 board in both my desktop and the Myth box

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Dagmar:

I can just punt the CPU over and not have to remove the mainboard from the Myth box (thank goodness)

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Dagmar:

Everything else is clearly going to be an all-day job tho.

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|Torg|:

some of those older bladesevers are getting to look real nice

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Dagmar:

I am *greatly* irritated that I can almost buy a new CPU and motherbaord for the price of a dual-core 939 pin CPU

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Dagmar:

I'm just down to selecting a motherboard now

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Chutt:

what's the recommended filesystem for recordings these days?

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killaz:

the mythfilldatabase can not open url. Think the grabber (tv_grab_nl_py) has some trouble connecting to the source. anyone any idea

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GreyFoxx:

Chutt: USually people still go for xfs I believe

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Chutt:

adding 3 640GB drives to my fileserver =)

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GreyFoxx:

nice :)

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kormoc:

I'm using JFS on my mythbox for just recordings, and ext3 on general purpose stuff

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|Torg|:

I have ext3 on all of it

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GreyFoxx:

I've got too many 320's

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GreyFoxx:

wanna shrink them all to one fileserver, so with the 1TB drives getting as low as they are I plan to move to a few of them soon

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kormoc:

I'm running out of friends to sell drives to cheaply

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|Torg|:

I ran out of sata connections

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GreyFoxx:

with my recent updates, I've got a small stock of drives and video cards to clear out hehe

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Dagmar:

PCI SATA cards are about $13 a pop for two ports

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kormoc:

I ran out of physical space in my cases

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|Torg|:

my PCI slots are worth more to then the SATA ports, I have two backend becae I ran out of PCI slots

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Dagmar:

Luckily for me I have a lot of ludicrous storage requirements for data other than just TV.

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|Torg|:

I have 2TB for mythtv, im looking for about 50TB to use for backupp

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Chutt:

GreyFoxx, i couldn't turn down $99/drive for these 640s

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Chutt:

stupid dhcp server

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Dagmar:

When did Biostar become a reputable manufacturer exactly?

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Chutt:

are they reputable now?

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Dagmar:

Somehow they're actually showing up on the upper half of rating sites

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Chutt:

my frontend is a biostar

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Chutt:

one of the only uATX nvidia boards that had hdmi on it at the time i got it

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Dagmar:

It's easy to see now why once I found the ASRock 939dual-SATA2 board, I bought two more of them

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