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| [00:00:09] | hadees: | iamlindoro_, ok well besides the fact that i'll likely have to run the script multiple times to spread out the chance that i just happen to find a channel with one 5C show |
| [00:00:17] | iamlindoro_: | nuonguy: *all* of their current boxes have firewire |
| [00:00:24] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: That's not how it works |
| [00:00:29] | nuonguy: | iamlindoro_: negative |
| [00:00:35] | nuonguy: | mine worked well for 6 months or so |
| [00:00:40] | nuonguy: | magically, it stopped working |
| [00:00:58] | iamlindoro_: | nuonguy: Just because your firewire policy got turned off doesn't mean their boxes don't support firewire |
| [00:01:01] | hadees: | iamlindoro_, isn't that basically what you told me to do though but manually? |
| [00:01:10] | nuonguy: | my computers no longer acknowledge that anything is plugged in |
| [00:01:31] | iamlindoro_: | nuonguy: So the *box* supports firewire fine, your cable company just turned it off |
| [00:01:31] | nuonguy: | I've gone through 5 boxes now that all have firewire ports de-activated |
| [00:01:56] | nuonguy: | most of the support people don't even know what firewire is |
| [00:01:59] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: The point I was making is that any program, on any channel, at any given time, is a crapshoot, and that you will *never* know until your recording fails |
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| [00:02:43] | iamlindoro_: | nuonguy: Sounds like your local headend tightened up it's policies, your box itself is fine-- and the chances of them changing a policy that is applied to every device of that type across the headend are nil and less-than-nil |
| [00:03:07] | nuonguy: | what does the head-end have to do with the box I get? |
| [00:03:16] | nuonguy: | I can connect s-video well enough |
| [00:03:19] | nuonguy: | that works |
| [00:03:38] | iamlindoro_: | nuonguy: The box downloads it's operational policies from the headend at regular intervals... the headend determines what you get to use on your box |
| [00:03:40] | nuonguy: | according to the diagnostics page on the box, firewire is enabled but not active |
| [00:03:51] | nuonguy: | how do I get a hold of them? |
| [00:03:58] | iamlindoro_: | exactly-- the boxes are all fine, your cable co just amended the boxes operational policy |
| [00:04:07] | nuonguy: | that sux |
| [00:04:15] | iamlindoro_: | nuonguy: Get a hold of what? You *don't*. You are stuck with what they give you, the end. |
| [00:04:23] | iamlindoro_: | Hauppauge HD-PVRs for everyone! |
| [00:04:38] | nuonguy: | that's a violation of FCC policies regarding 1394, isn't it? |
| [00:04:41] | hadees: | iamlindoro_, well what i'm trying to do is map channels that could possibly have shows that aren't flagged with 5C, so if write a program that tunes to every channel and runs firewire_tester it should tell me all the channels that are currently showing programs that aren't protected by 5C |
| [00:04:51] | iamlindoro_: | They are required to give you locals, but lots of cable co's disregard this |
| [00:05:07] | nuonguy: | how do complain to the FCC? |
| [00:05:37] | hadees: | iamlindoro_, then if i run that script many more times at random times i should be building up a list of channels that at one time or another showed shows free of 5C |
| [00:05:40] | iamlindoro_: | nuonguy: Go to the fcc web site and figure out who is responsible for complaints. Also write the head of the 1394 trade organization, I understand he like to hear about that stuff |
| [00:06:17] | nuonguy: | http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm ? |
| [00:06:27] | Dagmar: | If the firewire port doesn't work at all, start by calling your cable company up and complaining |
| [00:06:32] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: I'm tired of re-re-re-explaining things. Write any script you like, it won't do you any good, since ONCE AGAIN, 5C is set on a per-program basis, and you will seldom be able to predict the behavior. But I am sick of talking about it |
| [00:06:33] | nuonguy: | which 1394 trade organisation? never heard of such a thing |
| [00:06:40] | Dagmar: | Then once that's done it's time to contact the FCC |
| [00:06:44] | nuonguy: | Dagmar: done that for a long time already |
| [00:07:01] | Dagmar: | Did you just whine, or did you say "I want a cable box with a working firewire port" |
| [00:07:11] | iamlindoro_: | nuonguy: Would have killed you to google, eh? http://www.1394ta.org/index.html |
| [00:07:29] | nuonguy: | Dagmar: most people on the phone connect me to the 'internet' department cuz they think I mean 'firewall' |
| [00:07:40] | Dagmar: | What's that got to do with anything I said |
| [00:07:47] | ** nuonguy is embarrassed ** | |
| [00:07:47] | Dagmar: | Smells like a lame excuse to me |
| [00:08:04] | hadees: | iamlindoro_, i understand it is per program and i'm not trying to predict with shows have it just generate a list of channels that i know have shown programs that don't have it |
| [00:08:04] | Dagmar: | YOu need to learn how to inflict maximum pain on the cable company |
| [00:08:16] | Dagmar: | When you call, your attiude should be that your STB is apparently broken |
| [00:08:26] | nuonguy: | Dagmar: I'm trying to be kind to the people on the phone, they seem to want to help |
| [00:08:27] | Dagmar: | ...because the firewire port is supposed to work, by FCC mandate. |
| [00:08:30] | Dagmar: | Fuck them |
| [00:08:31] | nuonguy: | they just don't know any better |
| [00:08:34] | hadees: | iamlindoro_, it will still fail sometimes but at least i won't have channels where everything is 5C |
| [00:08:43] | Lynet: | 5$ that they giving you the run-around is by policy. |
| [00:08:45] | Dagmar: | It's only after they realize they can't help you that they will bump you "upstairs" to someone who will |
| [00:08:53] | Dagmar: | You have to *make* them realize they can't help you |
| [00:09:01] | nuonguy: | I suck at that |
| [00:09:10] | Dagmar: | Giving the organization pain is not the same thing as giving their employees pain |
| [00:09:20] | nuonguy: | I've called about 6 times this week |
| [00:09:26] | nuonguy: | this is my fifth box I got from them |
| [00:09:30] | Dagmar: | You give the organization pain by causing them to bump you up higher and higher until you're bothering someone with power. |
| [00:09:54] | Dagmar: | So the next time you call, you say "This is six times now I've gotten a box from you guys with a dead firewire port. What's going on?" |
| [00:10:20] | Dagmar: | "Is there an engineer or someone with some decent technical know-how that might know what's going on with this?" |
| [00:10:32] | Dagmar: | ^-- that is a "hint" to them that they shoudl escalate. |
| [00:10:38] | nuonguy: | I was thinking of calling their billing/retention and telling them I want to cancel my service and that I want my money back |
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| [00:11:02] | Dagmar: | If the rep you're talking to seems a bit slow, feel free to _use_ the word "escalate" because they know that means "Give the caller to my manager and get him out of my hair." |
| [00:11:23] | Dagmar: | ...and if you ahve to explain to them what escalate means, go right ahead. |
| [00:11:30] | nuonguy: | I did ask to be 'escalated' to someone else, but supposedly there's noone to escalate to |
| [00:11:39] | Dagmar: | Most of the lowbie reps will be on your side once they realize that what you need and what they want (you out of their hair) is the same thing |
| [00:11:41] | Dagmar: | That is a lie. |
| [00:11:43] | Dagmar: | It is simply a lit. |
| [00:11:46] | Dagmar: | s/lit/lie/; |
| [00:11:52] | Dagmar: | There is *always* someone to escalate a problem to. |
| [00:12:02] | Lynet: | nuonguy: That's a definite sign of them giving you the run-around. |
| [00:12:13] | Dagmar: | Don't be afraid to *call* it a lie when they try to tell you that. |
| [00:12:38] | Dagmar: | "Now, I'm not trying to get you in any trouble, but perhaps your manager has some pull or access to resources that you don't know about." |
| [00:13:07] | nuonguy: | for real? |
| [00:13:11] | nuonguy: | have you tried that? |
| [00:15:11] | jpabq: | Sorry if this has been said, I just started reading.... The firewire port must be active (by law), but the cable company can use 5C to prevent you from getting any useful data from it. |
| [00:15:35] | hadees: | jpabq, it isn't by law, it is an FCC ruling |
| [00:15:42] | iamlindoro_: | jpabq: They *must* provide locals and network channels in the clear, however |
| [00:15:47] | nuonguy: | jpabq: my computers do not acknowledge that any 1394 devices are connected |
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| [00:16:07] | nuonguy: | and the box's diagnostic page says that 1394 is 'enabled' but not 'active' |
| [00:17:05] | jpabq: | Close enough & true |
| [00:17:36] | nuonguy: | until last week, it worked quite well |
| [00:18:17] | jpabq: | nuonguy: I am pretty sure that is how my computer behaved after my local comcast turned on 5C copy-once-- but I don't remember for sure, it was over a year ago that comcast lost my business. |
| [00:18:47] | iamlindoro_: | I say yay for the HD-PVR and let's leave it at that :) |
| [00:18:59] | jpabq: | okay, sounds like you have a legitimate beaf. |
| [00:19:18] | jpabq: | My HD-PVR had better show up by next friday! |
| [00:19:25] | nuonguy: | the HD-PVR is hauppage's component capture hardware? |
| [00:19:30] | jpabq: | Right |
| [00:19:33] | nuonguy: | is that for sale yet? |
| [00:19:38] | nuonguy: | does it work with linux yet? |
| [00:19:41] | jpabq: | Started shipping yesterday. |
| [00:19:47] | kormoc: | jesus |
| [00:19:47] | jpabq: | Next week, we hope. |
| [00:19:54] | kormoc: | we need to start a FAQ just for that device |
| [00:20:06] | nuonguy: | sorry kormoc, |
| [00:20:07] | iamlindoro_: | hehe |
| [00:20:12] | nuonguy: | been out of touch |
| [00:20:25] | nuonguy: | I figured I wouldn't need one with firewire working so well |
| [00:20:48] | nuonguy: | I'm too tired to fight the phone tree again |
| [00:21:24] | iamlindoro_: | Jesus Tapdancing Christ, LOST needs to stop killing characters |
| [00:21:44] | kormoc: | SPOILER! |
| [00:21:54] | nuonguy: | yeah, no spoilers, please |
| [00:21:55] | iamlindoro_: | I could be talking about *any* episode |
| [00:22:06] | kormoc: | I haven't seen *any* yet :P |
| [00:22:09] | iamlindoro_: | I could be watching season 1 fer chrissakes |
| [00:22:22] | nuonguy: | I just picked up an hvr1800 |
| [00:22:23] | kormoc: | now I'll be waiting for someone to die... |
| [00:22:34] | nuonguy: | I can't get it to show a picture with 2.6.25 yet |
| [00:22:52] | nuonguy: | it seems to load just fine and mythtv-setup seems to recongise it |
| [00:22:57] | jpabq: | nuonguy, when I was first trying to get my firewire enabled box from comcast, they gave me the run-around. I finally found a complaint form on the local city governments website and filled it in with information about how comcast was violating the FCC mandate. Within 24 hours, I had a comcast "manager" calling me to find out what needed to be done to solve my problem! |
| [00:23:18] | nuonguy: | jpabq: awesome! what city? |
| [00:23:23] | nuonguy: | I'm in Mountain View, CA |
| [00:23:25] | jpabq: | Albuquerque, NM |
| [00:23:54] | Dagmar: | If/when the HD-PVR starts working with Linux, I'll probably (finally) go ahead and get a digital STB |
| [00:24:39] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: So what if the driver's already written and was going to be released, oooohhh, say, Sunday? |
| [00:25:24] | nuonguy: | hah! this doesn't seem helpful: http://www.ci.mtnview.ca.us/faqs/categoryqna.asp?id=3#143 |
| [00:25:44] | nuonguy: | iamlindoro_: I would whip it out right now |
| [00:25:47] | nuonguy: | my credit card, that is |
| [00:25:52] | nuonguy: | :-) |
| [00:26:03] | iamlindoro_: | Well... then I guess we'll chat again after the weekend |
| [00:26:49] | jpabq: | nuonguy, I would go ahead and use the "Contact" link at the top. Can't hurt. |
| [00:27:04] | kormoc: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HDPVR |
| [00:28:03] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HD-PVR |
| [00:28:09] | kormoc: | ha |
| [00:29:02] | jpabq: | http://www.hauppauge.com/site/support/support_hdpvr.html |
| [00:29:13] | ffish: | has anyone else had their schedules direct lineups just up and vanish? |
| [00:29:21] | iamlindoro_: | nope |
| [00:29:28] | iamlindoro_: | not unless I up and didn't pay the bill :) |
| [00:29:45] | ffish: | I've still got another 3 weeks on my membership |
| [00:29:56] | ffish: | but as best I can figure the lineups vanished about a week ago |
| [00:30:03] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: I'm still such a cynical bastard that I'd wait until I heard a few people say they had it working before I jumped |
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| [00:30:47] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: Since a myth dev is writing the driver, and he has one in his hands, I'm taking him at his word :) |
| [00:31:30] | Dagmar: | OKay |
| [00:32:05] | Dagmar: | Actually, considering I don't care too much about the permanence of the recordings I'm making now I may just reformat and rebuild everything for Slackware 12.1 before I order any new hardware |
| [00:32:18] | Dagmar: | Or I might just do that to keep me busy while Fed-Ex gets it here |
| [00:32:38] | jpabq: | Myth was crashing on me when I tried to play the sample clip. Re-compiled withOUT sse4.1 and that seems to have solved the problem. |
| [00:32:48] | jpabq: | ^^^ HD-PVR |
| [00:32:49] | Dagmar: | I definitely saw my card glitching up again earlier, but it's not doing it nearly as often with the older build of Myth |
| [00:32:53] | iamlindoro_: | interesting, good to know |
| [00:33:04] | Dagmar: | ...so I'm kinda at a loss to figure out whether or not my card is *actually* broken |
| [00:33:07] | Dagmar: | It's going to need more beating on |
| [00:33:25] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: New and/or Windows system? |
| [00:33:31] | hadees: | when does the Hauppauge HD-PVR actually come out? |
| [00:33:35] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: They are out |
| [00:33:37] | Dagmar: | What? |
| [00:33:45] | hadees: | iamlindoro_, do they work with mythtv yet? |
| [00:33:47] | Dagmar: | I'm not using Windows for this stuff |
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| [00:33:50] | iamlindoro_: | They are in people's hands, right now right now |
| [00:34:10] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: They will be long before you can get one if you ordered right this moment :) |
| [00:34:44] | hadees: | thats my only hope, my cable company seems to have strictly followed the rules thus only giving me what is required |
| [00:35:34] | Dagmar: | I'm rather tired of spending money on gear lately tho |
| [00:35:52] | jpabq: | From the HD-PVR "Quick Installation Guide"--- The recordings ... can be converted "on the fly" to a Blu-ray format AVCHD file |
| [00:36:00] | kormoc: | spend money on gear to steal gear? |
| [00:36:11] | hadees: | i think i'm over a barrel, i'm going to have to drop $500 to get HD |
| [00:36:21] | jpabq: | So, it does not actually record in blu-ray format. |
| [00:36:58] | Dagmar: | Well, I'm about at the point where I damn well need to buy another case and liberate my storage from everything else |
| [00:37:16] | hadees: | Dagmar, me too, i'm running out of pci slots |
| [00:37:20] | kormoc: | jpabq, depends on your player, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD#Compatibil . . . Disc_players |
| [00:37:33] | Dagmar: | I just gotta figure out where in the study I can stick the case for the storage box |
| [00:37:51] | Dagmar: | THe whooshing from keeping all the drives cool is starting to interfere with stuff in the front room |
| [00:38:04] | Dagmar: | If the lab is full of whooshy noises, it's no big deal |
| [00:39:48] | hadees: | Dagmar, in the right hand corner |
| [00:39:53] | hadees: | or next to your bow flex |
| [00:40:33] | Dagmar: | Haha bowflex |
| [00:40:44] | Dagmar: | Dude I used to bench ATX cases |
| [00:40:49] | Dagmar: | er AT cases |
| [00:41:39] | Dagmar: | I mean, when youv'e got some large heavy objects with handles on them already.... Might as well put 'em to use |
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| [00:45:05] | JohnMahowald: | Hmm, might go with a pchdtv 5500 rather than a HVR-1600 for OTA. |
| [00:50:06] | jpabq: | http://brentevans.blogspot.com/ has a pretty good initial FAQ for the HD-PVR |
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| [01:01:37] | Lynet: | Maybe I'm slow, but what's so hot about the hd-pvr? I thought tuner boxes used to downgrade analog outputs to SD. |
| [01:02:02] | kormoc: | only if it's HDCP, and most stuff isn't |
| [01:02:12] | kormoc: | and then they only downsample it to 720 |
| [01:02:28] | jpabq: | Component outputs are still full-res — they have to be because there are too many people without hdmi on their TVs. |
| [01:02:55] | Lynet: | jpabq: Ah. Gotcha. |
| [01:03:13] | iamlindoro_: | Also, as jpabq linked to earlier, there are HDMI->RGB->component conversion options available, so the various media companies can, pardon me, suck our balls from here on out ;) |
| [01:03:13] | jpabq: | Rumor is that they may try to do away with component/analog in 5 years, though. |
| [01:03:43] | Lynet: | iamlindoro_: That are hdcp compliant? |
| [01:03:46] | ** kormoc starts a rumor that they'll do away with all HD and move to SHD in 2 years ** | |
| [01:03:46] | iamlindoro_: | Lynet: yes. |
| [01:03:56] | iamlindoro_: | hdfury.com |
| [01:04:10] | jpabq: | http://www.curtpalme.com/ |
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| [01:04:37] | iamlindoro_: | HDFury -> Box1020 -> Component cable = win |
| [01:05:05] | jpabq: | Expensive, but this is cool: http://www.curtpalme.com/EXT-FULLHD.shtm |
| [01:05:29] | kavorka^: | since upgrading from 0.20.2 to 0.21 when watching live tv i get artifacts and slight stutter/breakup of picture every now and then....my cpu usage doesnt go above 20% |
| [01:05:47] | kavorka^: | ive captured the log on the frontend here: http://pastebin.ca/1034562 |
| [01:05:57] | kavorka^: | anybody have any ideas whats wrong? |
| [01:06:14] | iamlindoro_: | jpabq: Not to mention that conversion to RGB/component is probably on higher quality silicon than the boxes own component :) |
| [01:06:14] | kavorka^: | but if i pause for 5 seconds and unpause it is fine |
| [01:06:42] | iamlindoro_: | jpabq: I may get an HDFury before the cable co's start to get wise an sue them out of existence |
| [01:07:22] | jpabq: | me too. Insurance. |
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| [01:08:00] | Lynet: | Can't they revoke hdcp compliance after the fact? Some blacklist thing? |
| [01:08:05] | iamlindoro_: | Lynet: nope |
| [01:09:40] | iamlindoro_: | Lynet: I mean, legit devices have to obey the KSV list, but this device ignores it, soooo :) |
| [01:09:47] | iamlindoro_: | git 'em while they're hot |
| [01:10:19] | Lynet: | iamlindoro_: What if the thing at other end of cable obeys ksv? |
| [01:10:49] | iamlindoro_: | Lynet: they cover it in their FAQ, IIRC, lemme see if I can dig it up |
| [01:11:25] | Lynet: | Umm.. Revocation works by some sort of tree pruning trick, no? |
| [01:12:40] | jpabq: | kavorka^, does pausing the video for a few seconds fix the problem? |
| [01:12:55] | kavorka^: | jpabq: yes it does |
| [01:13:12] | kavorka^: | but my cpu is like 20%...its not stressed |
| [01:13:39] | iamlindoro_: | Lynet: Anyway, all *current* devices will work, which is enough for me, still trying to dig up their answer to the revocation issue |
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| [01:14:04] | jpabq: | kavorka^, Yeah, not a decoding problem, but a lack of data problem. Not enough of the show is "buffered" up. |
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| [01:15:02] | kavorka^: | jpabq: so what can i do to fix that? does it mean the problem lies with the backend? |
| [01:15:50] | kavorka^: | 0.20.2 used to have a ringbuffer paramater which u could edit...i cant find it in 0.21 |
| [01:16:04] | jpabq: | Long time ago, Myth used to "require" something like 3 or 4 seconds to be recorded before it would start showing you "live" tv. That caused people to think that channel changes and such where too slow, so they tightened it up where it only buffers a second or two. Unfortunately can result in the problem you are seeing. |
| [01:16:56] | kavorka^: | well at the moment live tv buffers for about 6–7 seconds with 0.21....in 0.20 it was about 4–5 |
| [01:17:21] | clever: | if you rewind or pause you increase that buffer |
| [01:17:32] | jpabq: | kavorka^, the ringbuffer you are probably thinking of was just for writing the data *to* the disk, not reading from the disk. |
| [01:17:39] | kavorka^: | ah ok |
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| [01:18:00] | clever: | most of the time rewinding 30 seconds will fix all my livetv stuttering problems |
| [01:18:04] | jpabq: | Pretty much NO devs EVER watch LIVE tv, so it is not tested much. |
| [01:18:28] | clever: | yeah i dont even use 'live tv' any, but i sometimes watch recordings that started on there own |
| [01:18:32] | clever: | which works differently |
| [01:18:35] | kavorka^: | i dont either but its kinda embarassing when u have visitors over and they just want to channel surf and it happens |
| [01:18:43] | craftyguy: | Does anyone have any info on _why_ it's a bad idea to store recordings on reiserfs? |
| [01:18:49] | jpabq: | When I first started using Myth, live TV was not usable at all. Then Daniel decided to at least get it working in general. |
| [01:18:51] | clever: | yeah, my livetv kicks out on 80% of the channel changes |
| [01:18:56] | clever: | because it takes too long to buffer up |
| [01:19:17] | iamlindoro_: | Because ReiserFS will murder your recordings and throw away your passenger seat |
| [01:19:45] | jpabq: | XFS or JFS are generally recommended. |
| [01:19:47] | kavorka^: | so this problem cant be fixed by improving hardware? |
| [01:19:53] | craftyguy: | iamlindoro_, haha..ok. But..how?? |
| [01:19:59] | jpabq: | Faster hard drives, maybe. |
| [01:20:03] | iamlindoro_: | Probably with a knife, given the blood |
| [01:20:14] | iamlindoro_: | And then probably bury the recordings out in the forest somewhere |
| [01:20:27] | iamlindoro_: | Then it'll claim that your recordings just went home to your other system |
| [01:20:51] | craftyguy: | poor reiser |
| [01:21:00] | iamlindoro_: | I'll presume you mean poor NINA reiser |
| [01:21:05] | craftyguy: | i bet OJ did it |
| [01:21:13] | Lynet: | On the plus side, it will clean your car. |
| [01:21:32] | kavorka^: | jpabq: is the speed of the hard drive on the frontend important? i didnt think it was much of a factor |
| [01:21:34] | craftyguy: | and everyone likes a clean car (well maybe not his jury) |
| [01:22:51] | jpabq: | kavorka^, ah, did not realize you had separates. Is the frontend accessing the data via NFS or is it "streamed" from the backend? |
| [01:23:08] | kavorka^: | jpabq: via NFS |
| [01:23:09] | jpabq: | I would highly recommend setting it to stream, if it is not. |
| [01:23:19] | jpabq: | That might well solve your problem. |
| [01:23:27] | clever: | nfs performs worse for livetv type things |
| [01:23:36] | clever: | every time the backend writes it flushes your readahead buffer |
| [01:23:40] | kavorka^: | what do u mean by streaming? |
| [01:23:44] | clever: | causing you to read the crap over the network a ton more |
| [01:23:50] | kavorka^: | is it much effor to switch? |
| [01:24:01] | clever: | under playback settings in the frontend |
| [01:24:10] | jpabq: | ...There is a setup option to tell it to always stream |
| [01:24:22] | kavorka^: | thanks guys...ill have a play with it :) |
| [01:24:30] | clever: | setup->setup->tvsettings->playback->allways stream recordings |
| [01:24:42] | kavorka^: | clever: apart from that is there anything else i need to do? |
| [01:25:00] | clever: | that fixes most of the problems ive had with 'live' recordings |
| [01:25:09] | kavorka^: | giving it a shot now! brb |
| [01:25:20] | iamlindoro_: | Lynet: It's tough to tell as they play their cads close to the chest, but it appears the HDFury may use someone else's key that, if revoked, would be so painful for the HDCP working group that they more or less "can't" do so without disabling, let's say... every Sony LCD. |
| [01:26:10] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, and why aren't they sued out of business yet? |
| [01:26:35] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: I don't know, but I expect that would be forthcoming once it starts to hurt the bottom line |
| [01:27:02] | GreyFoxx: | hdmi to vga? |
| [01:27:04] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, if they stole a key, that's huge... |
| [01:27:26] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, aye |
| [01:27:41] | ** kormoc wonders what vga encoders there are ** | |
| [01:27:47] | GreyFoxx: | So you could get a HDMI->VGA converter, then VGA->component then component into the HD-PVR ? Heheheh |
| [01:27:49] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: Google seems to indicate that they're pretty easily extractable... looks like some other device did the same and was *couhg* "voluntarily retracted" |
| [01:27:54] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: yep |
| [01:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | hah nice |
| [01:28:02] | kavorka^: | wow guys it worked! thanks so much!! spent so long on that problem...and your right channel changes only take 2–3 seconds as opposed to 7–8 secs without streaming |
| [01:28:13] | GreyFoxx: | I'm tempted to order one now even though I don't need one |
| [01:28:19] | iamlindoro_: | likewise |
| [01:28:20] | GreyFoxx: | assuming they are crazy expensive |
| [01:28:24] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: In theory, Sony would be able to issue firmware updates to replace HDCP keys |
| [01:28:29] | Dagmar: | ...but that's a big if. |
| [01:28:47] | iamlindoro_: | Like all things, I suppose, it's always a cat and mouse game |
| [01:28:48] | Dagmar: | Trying to get people who just bought a fancy TV to do what's necessary to do the firmware update... LOL |
| [01:29:06] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Couple hundred bucks |
| [01:29:25] | GreyFoxx: | iam: ouch |
| [01:29:25] | jpabq: | kavorka^, Yeah, and things like timestretch will work much better, too. |
| [01:29:41] | GreyFoxx: | iam: too bad, it's be attractive in the $70 or lower range |
| [01:29:54] | Lynet: | iamlindoro_: I wish someone would reverse the master key, I think there are some viable attacks for that. |
| [01:30:02] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, it's an expensive solution to be sure, but probably increasingly a necessary one |
| [01:30:12] | jpabq: | Insurance. |
| [01:30:15] | GreyFoxx: | iam: And I suppose costs might go down |
| [01:30:22] | iamlindoro_: | Lynet: Apparently has been done but the researcher won't release the paper for fear of prosecution by US authorities |
| [01:30:28] | Dagmar: | Lynet: That shows how little you know about strong crypto |
| [01:30:32] | iamlindoro_: | Niels... something or other |
| [01:30:41] | Dagmar: | n-p complete is a "viable" attack |
| [01:30:48] | Dagmar: | s/is/has/; |
| [01:30:54] | Dagmar: | What it doesn't have is a practical attack. |
| [01:31:09] | GreyFoxx: | iams: Then he should give it to someone outside the use via sneakernet |
| [01:31:16] | GreyFoxx: | let them release it to the world :) |
| [01:31:47] | iamlindoro_: | I guess as it becomes increasingly necessary we'll see more solutions |
| [01:32:03] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, sure, it's easy, but I mean it's huge in the sense that if a company actually gets by with it, that says that others can as well |
| [01:32:30] | kavorka^: | jpabq: once again thanks for your help...it really has made my day |
| [01:32:33] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: Oh no doubt, I think they have legal problems in their future :) |
| [01:32:52] | jpabq: | Your welcome. |
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| [01:33:35] | monkeyBox: | Does anyone know how I can downsize my HD recordings to around 700 MB? |
| [01:33:50] | jpabq: | I read that RIAA dropped their suit against AllOfMP3 |
| [01:33:53] | kormoc: | monkeyBox, only record part of them? |
| [01:34:00] | iamlindoro_: | Haven't you asked that same question (and been answered) in the last 14 hours or so? |
| [01:35:00] | monkeyBox: | iamlindoro_, heh, guess you've been here awhile. well, I didn't get any final answer last time. ffmpeg (even the medibuntu one) wouldn't work b/c thee source audio was AC3 |
| [01:35:01] | iamlindoro_: | yep, 0836 this AM |
| [01:35:19] | monkeyBox: | I was just seeing if there were any alternatives |
| [01:35:25] | Lynet: | Dagmar: Well, it isn't like hdcp is based on well-known strong ciphers. For something like aes I would agree with you but hdcp does some rather tricky stuff with the way they do device keys so it is not a given that there are no weaknesses. |
| [01:35:30] | monkeyBox: | or what other users might recommend |
| [01:35:35] | iamlindoro_: | ffmpeg, mencoder or... um.. windows |
| [01:35:46] | kormoc: | monkeyBox, all the other solutions use libavcodec, which is what ffmpeg uses... |
| [01:36:02] | Dagmar: | Lynet: Actually, it is based on strong crypto |
| [01:36:21] | Dagmar: | ^^ |
| [01:36:44] | monkeyBox: | kormoc, I have libavcodec installed: i A libavcodec1d – ffmpeg codec library – Medibuntu package |
| [01:36:59] | iamlindoro_: | monkeyBox: He didn't say you need libavcodec, he said they were all BASED on it |
| [01:37:18] | iamlindoro_: | and he is correct-- mencoder and friends all use libavcodec |
| [01:37:27] | jpabq: | monkeyBox, a search of the myth users archive finds this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . s%3F;#269422 |
| [01:37:30] | monkeyBox: | right, so I need ffmpeg + libavcodec or something |
| [01:37:48] | iamlindoro_: | no, libavcodec is a sub-part of ffmpeg |
| [01:37:51] | kavorka^: | would you guys recommend using the kernel supplied agp driver or nvidia's nvagp one? |
| [01:37:53] | iamlindoro_: | you just need working ffmpeg |
| [01:38:22] | kormoc: | monkeyBox, my point being that if it doesn't work in one, it's unlikely to work in the others |
| [01:38:47] | monkeyBox: | is mythtranscode able to do what I need? |
| [01:38:52] | iamlindoro_: | Odd that you're having such trouble, though-- I would compile my own ffmpeg if I wanted to be sure, and --enable-the-shit-out-of-everything |
| [01:38:55] | Dagmar: | kavorka: The kernel-supplied driver |
| [01:38:58] | iamlindoro_: | monkeyBox: Also libavcodec based... |
| [01:39:00] | Dagmar: | ...as in "don't worry about it" |
| [01:39:10] | monkeyBox: | hmm |
| [01:39:51] | iamlindoro_: | you can *try* anything you like, but they're all based on the same thing. Still not clear why you can't get ffmpeg working, if you're running the medibuntu version |
| [01:40:30] | monkeyBox: | hmm |
| [01:40:31] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, #ffmpeg is probably the place to seek help with all this |
| [01:40:32] | kavorka^: | Dagmar: thanks dagmar...ive reverted back to it after some experimentation....ive trying to solve the issue of my system stuttering when the osd is up using xvmc...getting nowhere fast |
| [01:40:50] | iamlindoro_: | because you can pastebin your entire command line and output, and they can help you get to the bottom of it |
| [01:41:26] | monkeyBox: | iamlindoro_, ok, I'll ask there. thanks |
| [01:41:30] | iamlindoro_: | np |
| [01:41:59] | iamlindoro_: | that said, in #ffmpeg they usually require that you've compiled your own and don't support packaged versions |
| [01:42:06] | iamlindoro_: | So you may want to give that a go first |
| [01:42:55] | iamlindoro_: | I use the following and can pretty much convert anything to anything: ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-shared --enable-gpl --enable-swscale --enable-postproc --enable-pthreads --enable-liba52 --enable-liba52bin --enable-libfaac --enable-libfaad --enable-libfaadbin --enable-libgsm --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --enable-libx264 --enable-libxvid --enable-audio-nonshort --enable-avfilter-lavf |
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| [01:48:31] | Dagmar: | Mind you, what specific options ffmpeg's configure script accepts have been known to change five times in a week |
| [01:48:52] | iamlindoro_: | Haha, that's for sure |
| [01:49:06] | iamlindoro_: | Those should work for anything up to a few weeks ago, anyway |
| [01:49:42] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: This is fun. Apparently the output of the PVR-500 cards are a little more cooked than I thought |
| [01:50:04] | Dagmar: | One pass through the transcoder, _lossless_ makes them able to be played by Windows Media Player |
| [01:50:11] | iamlindoro_: | Weird! |
| [01:50:35] | Dagmar: | Yeah I've spent most of the day trying to beat the regression out of my box |
| [01:50:41] | Dagmar: | Video is getting slightly corrupted |
| [01:50:58] | Dagmar: | It's looking like it's the card, but it actually does it *less* with the old build and more with a recent build |
| [01:51:12] | Dagmar: | It's a lot of fun removing everything and reinstalling the database five times in a day |
| [01:51:30] | iamlindoro_: | 10 mins to Galactica! |
| [01:52:08] | Dagmar: | Sky One are still dirty cheaters |
| [01:52:09] | iamlindoro_: | Fix quicker! |
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| [02:10:22] | jpabq: | Dagmar, sorry I have not been paying attention. Just a FYI, for me the PVR-500 drivers included with 2.6.24.x had problem. Moving on to 2.6.25.x fixed them. |
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| [02:24:47] | GreyFoxx: | oooh new nvidia drivers |
| [02:24:59] | GreyFoxx: | Wonder if the opengl renderer works any better with them |
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| [02:36:12] | jpabq: | GreyFoxx, let me know ;) |
| [02:37:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | jpabq: What type of problems did you have? I've noticed the 2nd tuner has 'choppy' audio sometimes on my PVR-500... Was that one of the issues you had? (and I'm curently running 2.6.24.5–85.fc8) |
| [02:40:47] | jpabq: | J-e-f-f-A, mostly audio problems. |
| [02:41:42] | jpabq: | With 2.6.25.x I have noticed that CC is more likely to loose characters, but everything else is better than 2.6.24.x |
| [02:42:15] | jpabq: | Going back to 2.6.23 might be a good option... |
| [02:42:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | jpabq: I'll upgrade tonight then – was just getting ready to update to the latest -fixes release anyways... ;-) |
| [02:52:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | jpabq: Apparetly the latest kernel for my system is 2.6.24.7–92.fc8 ... At least that's what 'yum upgrade' wants to install... humm.... |
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| [03:09:56] | clever: | where in the mythtv source does xv get initialized? |
| [03:10:07] | clever: | its overriding my colorkey value |
| [03:11:36] | kdub: | anyone been in here bragging about having a hauppauge HD PVR yet? |
| [03:12:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | kdub: Those who paid for overnight shipping should have them today from what I understand... Haven't seen anyone myself here yet 'bragging'... ;-) |
| [03:13:20] | kdub: | heh |
| [03:13:42] | kdub: | there is one guy that claims to have one on the sagetv forums |
| [03:13:53] | kdub: | suprised there is nothing on avsforum |
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| [03:17:27] | iamlindoro_: | Mine shipped yesterday, so it's not unrealistic to expect those who paid for overnight have them now |
| [03:17:55] | iamlindoro_: | Curse me and my two-day cheapness |
| [03:18:38] | kdub: | heh |
| [03:18:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: and it's too late to 'upgrade' to saturday delivery, eh? |
| [03:18:51] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: Probably, grrr |
| [03:18:55] | clever: | ive made my xv problem alot more noticable using a bit of a hack thru xvattr |
| [03:19:13] | clever: | but still have no idea where to go for fixing it |
| [03:19:25] | iamlindoro_: | Oh well, earliest we'll have linux drivers is Sunday night anyway, so no real rush I suppose |
| [03:19:39] | kdub: | what happens sunday? |
| [03:20:05] | iamlindoro_: | The driver author intends to release them then |
| [03:20:22] | kdub: | oh cool they are already done |
| [03:20:38] | iamlindoro_: | Well, let's say that until they're released, they're "in progress" |
| [03:20:44] | clever: | i think one of the hardware devs made it on the beta cards |
| [03:21:04] | kdub: | just sucks the thing costs $250 |
| [03:21:12] | kdub: | i cant justify getting two of them |
| [03:21:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | kdub: I paid nearly that much for my PCTV HD3000 card a few years back, in the scare of the US broadcast flag... |
| [03:21:54] | kdub: | heh |
| [03:23:41] | wagner: | i seem to have just lost... all my recordings |
| [03:23:59] | kdub: | that is unfortunate |
| [03:24:31] | wagner: | i recently reformatted to jfs, and copied my recordings back onto the drive |
| [03:24:41] | wagner: | i rebooted earlier today, and now i cannot mount the drive |
| [03:27:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagner: perhaps you need to check the disk with fsck? |
| [03:28:17] | wagner: | ah... SUCCESS! |
| [03:28:23] | wagner: | gratias |
| [03:28:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | np. ;-) |
| [03:28:54] | wagner: | i always assumed that would either do such a thing automatically |
| [03:29:12] | wagner: | or at least say, "hey dumbass, run fsck before trying to mount me again" |
| [03:29:27] | wagner: | rather than "bad superblock on /dev/hda1" |
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| [03:30:56] | wagner: | now to figure out why alsa is not saving my settings |
| [03:34:33] | wagner: | seems i never actually ran the alsa init script |
| [03:34:38] | wagner: | im surprised it worked at all |
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| [03:44:22] | iamlindoro_: | Anyone played the Penny Arcade game yet? Worth buying? |
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| [04:07:45] | darkdrgn2k3: | Hey guys, I currently have a Fedora 8 Server at home. I want to get a LIGHT FrontEnd computer up and running. |
| [04:07:49] | darkdrgn2k3: | Ive compiled myth from trunk |
| [04:07:55] | darkdrgn2k3: | uhh 21 fixes actualy |
| [04:08:05] | darkdrgn2k3: | How can i get that compiled version on a nother distro? |
| [04:09:20] | iamlindoro_: | Check out the same revision and compile it on said distro? |
| [04:09:25] | GreyFoxx: | hehe yeah |
| [04:09:57] | darkdrgn2k3: | problem is i need a very light distro |
| [04:10:04] | iamlindoro_: | So.... what? |
| [04:10:05] | darkdrgn2k3: | i dont want to be installing all the dev tools on it.. |
| [04:10:18] | GreyFoxx: | dark: then you are sol |
| [04:10:28] | darkdrgn2k3: | hmmmm that sux LOL |
| [04:10:36] | darkdrgn2k3: | oh well just wondering if there was a way around it :) |
| [04:10:43] | GreyFoxx: | You could install a compiling "version" of the distro in a vm |
| [04:10:45] | GreyFoxx: | compile it there |
| [04:10:49] | GreyFoxx: | package it and move it over |
| [04:10:54] | GreyFoxx: | but that's still gonna be a pain |
| [04:10:58] | darkdrgn2k3: | yeh |
| [04:11:07] | GreyFoxx: | You desperately low on disk space or something ? |
| [04:11:13] | darkdrgn2k3: | GreyFoxx: using a CF as the hd |
| [04:11:16] | darkdrgn2k3: | (less noise) |
| [04:11:29] | GreyFoxx: | Why not just nfsroot it ? |
| [04:11:41] | darkdrgn2k3: | faster load times? |
| [04:11:42] | iamlindoro_: | Do what most people do, compile on the same distro and mount it via the network |
| [04:11:49] | GreyFoxx: | the CF card just nfsmounts everything including root filesystem ove the network |
| [04:11:50] | iamlindoro_: | whoops, GreyFoxx beat me to it |
| [04:12:10] | darkdrgn2k3: | GreyFoxx: yeh, i donno.... i guess |
| [04:12:10] | GreyFoxx: | dark: you will see no speed difference |
| [04:12:23] | darkdrgn2k3: | GreyFoxx: well its an idea... |
| [04:12:52] | darkdrgn2k3: | tnx |
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| [04:21:28] | wagner: | boot and compile times will be longer over nfs, rather than CF |
| [04:21:38] | wagner: | but actual operation should be unnoticeable |
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| [04:24:03] | wagner: | well i came inside to find my mom asleep on the couch, with an episode of 'the big bang theory' queued up on mythtv |
| [04:30:48] | wagner: | somehow i think that box is going to get far more use now that she has discovered it |
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| [04:59:52] | achew22: | is it possible to do the initial mythtv-setup on a remote machine that doesn't have X installed? |
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| [05:01:54] | kormoc: | if the remote machine doesn't have X, why would you want to run an X app on it? |
| [05:03:02] | achew22: | I just want to run the backend on it |
| [05:03:17] | achew22: | I want to pipe X to my laptop to do setup then leave it as a headless |
| [05:03:29] | kormoc: | so you said what you wanted backwards |
| [05:03:34] | kormoc: | you want the server to not run X |
| [05:03:42] | kormoc: | so use ssh's x forwarding to your laptop |
| [05:03:43] | achew22: | sorry |
| [05:03:55] | achew22: | okay, google awaits me |
| [05:08:39] | hadees: | can you tune via firewire but capture with coax or svideo? |
| [05:09:52] | GreyFoxx: | hade: You could if you used the firewire commandline channel changer app in the source contrib dir |
| [05:10:01] | GreyFoxx: | and configured myth to use an "external" changer scrupt |
| [05:10:03] | GreyFoxx: | script |
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| [05:11:21] | wagner: | is there anything in a monitor that a spidermite could be eating? |
| [05:11:27] | hadees: | GreyFoxx, do i have to build that myself or does mythtv build that when you compile it? |
| [05:11:48] | GreyFoxx: | hade: You have to do it yourself |
| [05:12:03] | wagner: | theres been one living in my monitor for about a week and a half |
| [05:13:13] | kormoc: | wagner, dead skin cells? |
| [05:14:06] | wagner: | maybe, but theres no fan, so theres not much thats going to be in there |
| [05:14:51] | wagner: | woohoo! it moved back off screen |
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| [05:39:55] | Andrew_Barber: | is the torrentocracy project dead? |
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| [05:45:12] | GreyFoxx: | That would be a perfect question for google |
| [05:46:27] | njcnjcnjc: | Hello, I have a question I am hoping somone could answer for mythtv |
| [05:47:02] | njcnjcnjc: | when setting up a remote control, is there something you need to do other then move the lircrc file in the .mythtv directory |
| [05:47:39] | njcnjcnjc: | remote works and shows output for the remote, but does not work when mythfrontend is started |
| [05:47:46] | njcnjcnjc: | for irw |
| [05:48:21] | kormoc: | Andrew_Barber, and is a banable topic in here (reading the channel FAQ is a good thing) |
| [05:48:50] | Andrew_Barber: | sorry kormoc, i didn't think it was a sensitive topic |
| [05:48:59] | Andrew_Barber: | i will take a look at them now |
| [05:49:04] | Andrew_Barber: | thanks for your help |
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| [06:04:23] | achew22: | I noticed in the capture card setup page that you can point it at a m3u file. does that mean that if I were to make a m3u file and update it with recordings that I would be able to have them in my recorded programs page? |
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| [06:04:54] | kormoc: | if you also create a listings source and recording sources.... |
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| [06:05:18] | achew22: | kormoc: would they have to be streams? |
| [06:05:25] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [06:06:58] | GreyFoxx: | the m3u is for defining iptv streams, not files |
| [06:07:35] | GreyFoxx: | if you want videos to show up in recordings insert records into the database in the "recorded" table |
| [06:07:50] | GreyFoxx: | or just drop them somewhere for mythvideo to see :) |
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| [06:40:49] | achew22: | does myth support sqlite or is it considered too slow? |
| [06:41:35] | kormoc: | achew22, see mailing list archives, it's been brought up numerous times and the reasons are many |
| [06:42:50] | achew22: | okay, just curiosity |
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| [07:03:56] | gpd: | help: i had to change my backend IP address – now mythfilldatabse won't fill – suggestions? |
| [07:05:26] | gpd: | i did mythbackend --clearcache – no joy |
| [07:06:28] | gpd: | i changed ip address in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt and in mythtv-setup |
| [07:06:40] | gpd: | i restarted, rebooted, ran filldatabase as root and myself |
| [07:06:57] | gpd: | it says mythfilldatabase ran but did not insert anything |
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| [07:10:31] | gpd: | anyone with a bone to throw? |
| [07:12:31] | gpd: | trying mytfilldatabase --manual |
| [07:12:47] | gpd: | added EIT scan... |
| [07:13:09] | gpd: | Found 5225 episodes... fill complete... but it IS NOT!!! |
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| [07:16:02] | tank-man: | gpd, so after your backend ip changed, what did you do? |
| [07:16:24] | tank-man: | what changes did you do with mythtv? |
| [07:16:38] | gpd: | i changed mysql.txt |
| [07:16:47] | gpd: | and ran mythsetup to change the ip address in there |
| [07:16:55] | gpd: | i also changed mythweb.htaccess |
| [07:17:03] | gpd: | then i restarted everything and reobooted to be sure |
| [07:17:19] | gpd: | then i ran mythfilldatabase as root |
| [07:17:29] | gpd: | it said 'clear cache remote request' or similar |
| [07:17:39] | gpd: | so i ran mythbackend --clearcache (guess) |
| [07:18:15] | tank-man: | can you watch your recorded shows/live tv ? |
| [07:19:50] | gpd: | no yes |
| [07:19:53] | gpd: | err yes... :) |
| [07:20:10] | gpd: | sorry – got disconnected (using my phone to connect as broadband is down) |
| [07:21:53] | gpd: | ok – it loos like it might be working now |
| [07:22:09] | gpd: | but mythweb is also weird – looks like a 'pda' mode or something |
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| [08:07:53] | Kelerion: | hey hey guys |
| [08:08:33] | Kelerion: | I see a lot of familiar names I haven't seen in a long long time |
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| [08:20:06] | tempnick: | hi all |
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| [10:27:48] | dan__t: | Hello. |
| [10:28:07] | dan__t: | I'm having issues with mythtv-setup respecting the set geometry over an X forwarded SSH session. Anyone ever seen that before? |
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| [10:33:59] | dan__t: | Beh whatever, just entered through the whole dialog – i couldn't see any 'ok' or 'cancel' buttons down at the bottom |
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| [10:45:10] | dan__t: | Yeah, guess the whole display thing doesn't work too well on tunneled displays eg |
| [10:45:13] | dan__t: | eh, rather |
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| [10:58:52] | dan__t: | Well. That kinda sucks. |
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| [11:04:51] | hume: | hi... I've got a problem with myth being jerky. Backend on another machine, and the frontend jerks. it's connected to network through cable, and another frontend beside it does not jerk – any advice on how to diagnose and solve? |
| [11:05:09] | hume: | connected over a home LAN |
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| [11:05:37] | clever: | hume: is the problem with livetv or old recordings? |
| [11:05:53] | hume: | livetv |
| [11:06:03] | hume: | have not tried recordings |
| [11:06:04] | clever: | using nfs to get the files over? |
| [11:06:26] | hume: | no, frontend connecting over LAN, ip adress, to backend |
| [11:06:48] | clever: | but is it streaming the files thru a nfs mount or thru mythtv? |
| [11:06:55] | hume: | stange thing: one frontend runs great, the other jerks...same cable |
| [11:07:01] | hume: | through myth |
| [11:07:06] | hume: | no nfs mount |
| [11:07:08] | clever: | not the same problem i had then |
| [11:07:18] | hume: | what was your? |
| [11:07:22] | clever: | live+nfs==problems |
| [11:07:36] | dan__t: | nfs== problems |
| [11:07:36] | clever: | every time the backend writes to the file it makes a change(duh:P) |
| [11:07:47] | clever: | that change clears the readahead buffer on the nfs client |
| [11:07:57] | clever: | forcing it to read ahead again, and again, and again |
| [11:08:11] | clever: | extra network&cpu usage that you dont need |
| [11:08:32] | clever: | makes 802.1b network overload, and my 400mhz frontend |
| [11:08:44] | hume: | ok |
| [11:08:46] | clever: | nfs on non live files works fine |
| [11:09:08] | clever: | dan__t: i cant do without nfs, the bin/mythfrontend is on nfs:P |
| [11:09:09] | hume: | could jerkiness have something to do with graphics card as well? |
| [11:09:24] | dan__t: | use iscsi |
| [11:09:24] | dan__t: | heh |
| [11:09:31] | clever: | dan__t: iscsi? |
| [11:09:39] | dan__t: | Yep. |
| [11:09:51] | clever: | isnt that for sharing block devices over tcp/ip? |
| [11:10:23] | dan__t: | I use it for exporting LVM LUNs as raw devices |
| [11:10:33] | dan__t: | that's with the 'blockio' option |
| [11:10:39] | dan__t: | Otherwise it's a standard filesystem mount. |
| [11:10:41] | clever: | id then need a filesystem which is designed to handle multiple writers |
| [11:10:59] | dan__t: | so... iscsi. |
| [11:11:17] | hume: | dan__t, got any idea on my jerkiness problem? |
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| [11:11:20] | clever: | currently, music,mythtv recordings, tons of avi files, the bin&lib of mythtv, all share a single lvm volume |
| [11:11:29] | clever: | which is mounted to every computer in the house |
| [11:11:29] | dan__t: | I haven't used ATrpms in years. I just tried to use it again. Looks like it hasn't changed yet. |
| [11:11:32] | dan__t: | Still a fscking nightmare. |
| [11:11:37] | clever: | lol |
| [11:11:46] | dan__t: | no, hume. |
| [11:11:54] | dan__t: | TO be perfectly honest, i've never used mythtv |
| [11:11:55] | clever: | i havent even installed anything on my rpm based system in atleast a year |
| [11:12:04] | dan__t: | what makes the jerky ones different than the other ones? |
| [11:13:55] | hume: | what makes it different? no idea. another computer, brand new, I use the same cable (switch) |
| [11:14:12] | clever: | once i got bored and went to push my master to its limits |
| [11:14:22] | clever: | i got every single frontend in the house playing at once |
| [11:14:27] | clever: | while the master played&recorded |
| [11:14:52] | clever: | 5 computers playing&streaming off the master |
| [11:14:58] | clever: | while the master played&recorded |
| [11:15:12] | clever: | with no skiping on any of them |
| [11:15:57] | hume: | dan__t, got any ideas on how to diagnose, if it is a network related problem? but ethtool says NIC speed is 100 Mb/s |
| [11:16:15] | dan__t: | nic speed may very well have absolutely nothing to do with it |
| [11:16:22] | clever: | using cacti im able to probe my switch |
| [11:16:27] | clever: | to see the bandwidth usage on every port |
| [11:16:31] | dan__t: | dmesg, tail /var/log/messages, use iftop to see if anything is going on |
| [11:16:33] | dan__t: | or iptraf |
| [11:17:07] | dan__t: | vmstat, top, uptime – see if the load is prohibitive |
| [11:18:05] | clever: | if the network isnt responding fast enough, the frontend will just idle |
| [11:18:19] | clever: | when using the mythtv protocol |
| [11:18:25] | clever: | it doesnt showup as iowait |
| [11:18:41] | dan__t: | when i troubleshoot, I don't assume anything heh |
| [11:18:47] | clever: | but you will see the iowait at the master backend |
| [11:18:47] | dan__t: | regardless of how crappy a client talks to a server |
| [11:18:54] | dan__t: | or the client |
| [11:19:03] | clever: | whoa |
| [11:19:08] | clever: | my upload is going nuts |
| [11:19:10] | dan__t: | that's why he has to diagnose his own problems, else we just speculate. |
| [11:19:14] | clever: | http://clever.mine.nu:81/cacti/graph.php?acti . . . p;rra_id=all |
| [11:19:22] | clever: | its never been that chopy before for a solid day... |
| [11:19:45] | dan__t: | Cacti is the bastard child of all things unholy |
| [11:19:58] | clever: | explain why:P, i find it perfect for what i need |
| [11:20:35] | dan__t: | Oh I don't know, it doesn't scale well, it's slow, it doesn't natively do alerting, it uses crap rrd files to store data, blah blah blah |
| [11:21:00] | clever: | lol |
| [11:21:01] | dan__t: | I recently got done deploying Zabbix to some 90-odd hosts at work |
| [11:21:06] | clever: | ouch |
| [11:21:13] | dan__t: | Replacing both Cacti and Nagios |
| [11:21:13] | clever: | ive bearly got 20 total |
| [11:21:18] | clever: | counting things i never use lately |
| [11:21:36] | dan__t: | And I can easily graph and monitor and trend *anything* |
| [11:21:44] | dan__t: | Even things like changes to sensitive fils |
| [11:21:46] | dan__t: | files, too |
| [11:22:07] | clever: | i checked the / of an svn repo out as / on my router |
| [11:22:14] | clever: | and added /etc/ and /root/ to the repo |
| [11:22:31] | clever: | now i can version control every vital file that changes often |
| [11:22:46] | clever: | and i tar'ed the entire thing up arround revision 7 so i can restore the entire thing |
| [11:22:58] | clever: | if i ever loose it, untar&svn update |
| [11:23:08] | ** dan__t pets Bacula restore jobs ** | |
| [11:23:19] | clever: | the thing allready has badsectors |
| [11:23:31] | clever: | they claimed gcc, man, and one of my include files |
| [11:23:33] | clever: | so far |
| [11:23:42] | dan__t: | That's awesome. |
| [11:23:46] | clever: | i think it also claimed a log at one point but that isnt vital |
| [11:23:49] | dan__t: | You know like a 500G hdd is about $150 right |
| [11:23:50] | dan__t: | if that heh |
| [11:24:04] | clever: | thats every $ i have:P |
| [11:24:11] | dan__t: | mow some lawns! |
| [11:24:12] | clever: | and 500g is overkill for a router |
| [11:24:32] | clever: | 500g would instantly double the total disk space in the house:P |
| [11:24:39] | dan__t: | ouch. |
| [11:24:53] | clever: | yes |
| [11:25:02] | dan__t: | there's probably like 10TB of stuff in my apartment. |
| [11:25:06] | clever: | lol |
| [11:25:13] | dan__t: | you know.... home movies of family birthdays... and stuff |
| [11:25:15] | clever: | ive got a ton of dvd's i burnt off for more space |
| [11:25:27] | clever: | i have alot of 'stuff' i cant mention in here because of the rules:P |
| [11:25:50] | dan__t: | then you better not. heh |
| [11:25:51] | clever: | t*r*e*ts |
| [11:26:10] | dan__t: | Does that translate to "porn"? |
| [11:26:17] | clever: | no:P |
| [11:26:20] | dan__t: | Oh ok. |
| [11:26:23] | clever: | fill in the blanks |
| [11:26:26] | dan__t: | I need to get to sleep, it's like 530 AM :( |
| [11:26:29] | clever: | lol |
| [11:26:31] | clever: | its 8am here |
| [11:26:32] | purserj: | torets? |
| [11:26:35] | clever: | and ive been up all night |
| [11:26:42] | clever: | purserj: close but your spelling is horid:P |
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| [11:26:58] | clever: | you left 2 of the blanks out |
| [11:27:07] | dan__t: | I expect to be up alll night later on for a huge work party |
| [11:27:09] | dan__t: | we'll see how that goes. |
| [11:27:11] | clever: | the last hdd i got was '80gig' |
| [11:27:15] | clever: | with 60gig of free space... |
| [11:27:18] | dan__t: | That sucks. |
| [11:27:24] | clever: | 20gig of crap allready on it |
| [11:27:27] | dan__t: | The last HDDs I bought were 4 1TB drives |
| [11:27:30] | clever: | snes roms, music, games |
| [11:27:35] | clever: | family pics&videos |
| [11:27:42] | clever: | documents |
| [11:27:52] | dan__t: | I'm going to bring home an Ultimus 4800 from work. |
| [11:28:01] | clever: | i kept the games/roms/music |
| [11:28:07] | clever: | technicaly we did 'pay' for them:P |
| [11:28:16] | dan__t: | Ultamus, too. |
| [11:28:40] | clever: | ive got a sun ultra 10 somewhere here |
| [11:28:41] | dan__t: | 48TB 4U rackmount heh |
| [11:28:47] | dan__t: | I used to have one of those. |
| [11:28:49] | clever: | lol |
| [11:28:50] | dan__t: | Sold it to some Canadian. |
| [11:28:57] | dan__t: | He paid more in shipping and customs than he paid for the machine. |
| [11:30:02] | clever: | im a canadian! |
| [11:30:02] | clever: | :P |
| [11:30:02] | clever: | this one has a dual fiberoptic card in it |
| [11:30:02] | clever: | it takes a fiber feed from 1 of 2 detectors |
| [11:30:02] | clever: | part of an xray machine |
| [11:30:16] | dan__t: | werd |
| [11:30:19] | dan__t: | ok im going to sleep, later. |
| [11:30:55] | hume: | solved it....was graphics drivers |
| [11:31:05] | clever: | ahh:) |
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| [11:37:27] | achew22: | is it possible to get mythweb to output the username/password that its trying to connect on? |
| [11:39:01] | hume: | next issue: screen resoulution.... it's a 42 inch plasma TV, can run at 1366 x 768. How do I set this in xorg.conf, to make it work through dvi? now, if I set it to this res, it shows awful colors |
| [11:39:31] | hume: | and wrong geometry |
| [11:41:20] | Tomas-: | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg should do the trick on ubuntu/debian |
| [11:43:01] | hume: | trying...:) |
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| [11:43:19] | achew22: | Tomas-: does dpkg-reconfigure ask you for resolutions? |
| [11:43:24] | achew22: | I thought it just guessed |
| [11:43:37] | hume: | mine didn't |
| [11:43:51] | achew22: | ask for resolutions or guess? |
| [11:43:56] | hume: | didn't ask |
| [11:44:23] | achew22: | who is your video card maker? |
| [11:44:30] | hume: | ati |
| [11:44:39] | hume: | and it did not detect 1366 x 768.....( |
| [11:44:55] | achew22: | where did you get 1366x768? |
| [11:44:59] | hume: | Tomas-, so it didn't work |
| [11:45:08] | hume: | from the documentation on the TV |
| [11:45:20] | achew22: | that's probably a good place to start... |
| [11:46:40] | achew22: | have you tried changing it manually? |
| [11:48:08] | hume: | you mean through xorg.conf? |
| [11:49:10] | hume: | i am fiddling with that now, have placed a modline in the Monitor section, telling 1360 x 768 and syncs |
| [11:49:37] | hume: | and restarting x seems to show some version of this geometry, but with odd colors |
| [11:50:04] | hume: | and somewhat strange geometry |
| [11:50:08] | justinh: | googling the model number of the tv & modeline is usually a good bet |
| [11:50:51] | hume: | thing is, the older computer worked with this conf, but that was with VGA and a nvidia card, now it is DVI and ati-card |
| [11:51:40] | clever: | ati==evil |
| [11:51:44] | hume: | :) |
| [11:52:14] | hume: | but now it's there in the machine, integrated and all.... a beautiful omaura htpc |
| [11:58:44] | hume: | hrm...it looks good at 1280 x 720, but not at higher... |
| [12:00:00] | Tomas-: | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg asks all the questions, atleast on debain |
| [12:00:02] | Tomas-: | debian |
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| [12:09:15] | justinh: | hume: do the edges of the desktop fit the screen? |
| [12:09:24] | hume: | new situation: I fiddled with the modline, and got the gdm loginscreen to look perfect. But after loggin in to Gnome, it is awful again. There I have used the Screen resolution device. How can I revert that, and just use xorg.conf, the same setting that gdm runs at? |
| [12:11:08] | justinh: | I thought it'd be the same |
| [12:11:30] | justinh: | unless xrandr is at play messing stuff up |
| [12:12:21] | hume: | all the time gdm has run at the highest res i have in xorg.conf, but gnome at the one I set with Screen setting – not the same |
| [12:12:38] | hume: | can I just disable that screen setting stuff? where is it saved? |
| [12:13:18] | justinh: | if you have lower resolutions set up in xorg.conf take em out |
| [12:13:26] | hume: | i dont |
| [12:13:29] | justinh: | or rather just comment them out |
| [12:13:33] | hume: | just the one, 1366 x 768 |
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| [12:13:59] | justinh: | usually desktop preferences – but I normally find only the xorg.conf resolution in there |
| [12:14:02] | hume: | the one's given by the screen setting device are not listed in xorg.conf, there is just one |
| [12:14:35] | justinh: | weird |
| [12:14:37] | hume: | hrm.....I could just delete everything in the home folder, but that is a bit violent |
| [12:14:38] | hume: | yes |
| [12:14:45] | justinh: | or maybe not weird |
| [12:14:52] | hume: | not? |
| [12:15:01] | justinh: | I've never run gnome on my frontend |
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| [12:16:51] | justinh: | hume: maybe the gdm login manager thing isn't using xorg.conf |
| [12:16:59] | justinh: | I wouldn't have thought so though |
| [12:17:50] | hume: | justinh, no, it does use xorg.conf, it reacts when I change it |
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| [12:45:53] | AndyCap: | hume: it uses xrandr to change on the fly, while xorg.conf is used by gdm |
| [12:46:52] | AndyCap: | hume: so the initial resolution will be what you set in xorg.conf, but if you log in the resolution could be changed by the gnome tool via xrandr and that is stored in gconf iirc. |
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| [13:32:20] | sphery: | /tb |
| [13:32:28] | sphery: | oops |
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| [13:34:21] | jumpaholic: | hey all, anyone using a logitech harmony remote to control mythtv? |
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| [13:36:14] | sphery: | kormoc: Thanks for looking at (and fixing) the commmethod stuff for search on #5195. After seeing you change, I'm embarrased to have only done the channel setup page--I assumed that the search stuff would be much more complex. :) |
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| [13:40:51] | gbee: | assuming for a moment that lmsensors is accurate, the voltage on the 12v would be cause for concern? http://pastebin.ca/1034953 |
| [13:41:54] | sphery: | gbee: which mobo? |
| [13:42:15] | gbee: | http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=prodd . . . ;cat3_no=351 |
| [13:42:26] | gbee: | good job I had that bookmarked ;) |
| [13:42:31] | sphery: | might be precise, but not accurate due to slightly different conversion requirements (not yet reported at lmsensors or something) |
| [13:42:39] | sphery: | wondered how you got it so quick... :) |
| [13:43:02] | jumpaholic: | so i have a logitech harmony 890 and im trying to figure out how to use it with my mythtv box. i've been using a bluetooth keyboard and mouse to control mythtv but the remote doesnt have bluetooth. i thought i was going to have to go out and buy an IR receiver when i realized that the rf wireless extender that came with the remote can connect to a computer via USB |
| [13:44:07] | jumpaholic: | the rf wireless extender doesnt seem to natively support sending that sort of information to the computer via usb tho |
| [13:44:40] | jumpaholic: | trying to figure out how i can hack it to work |
| [13:44:43] | sphery: | jumpaholic: doesn't the RF extender just use USB for power/"programming" and then broadcast an IR signal when it receives an RF signal (i.e. never sending data to the computer)? |
| [13:44:52] | sphery: | I think you just need to build an IR receiver. |
| [13:44:55] | sphery: | (or buy one) |
| [13:45:16] | jumpaholic: | sphery, yes thats what it does sphery |
| [13:45:25] | sphery: | That (my impression of how it would work) is exactly why I'm not using a Harmony 890 |
| [13:45:39] | sphery: | I have an ATI Remote Wonder (RF and not too bad), instead. |
| [13:45:39] | jumpaholic: | oh? whats the problem with it? |
| [13:46:01] | sphery: | I don't want IR. I want a "direct" RF receiver. |
| [13:46:09] | sphery: | gbee: very slow web site.... |
| [13:46:16] | gbee: | looking for reasons why the DVB-S card can't handle a signal strength/quality that the STB can – justinh suggested the card might not be getting the power it needs :) |
| [13:47:00] | gbee: | sphery: so it's not just me then? I found pastebin and that website to be very slow so I assumed there was a local network issue |
| [13:47:05] | sphery: | I know when I tried >2 pcHDTV HD-3000's in my system, I couldn't get enough "clean" power to them. Caused weird issues. |
| [13:47:43] | gbee: | I've had problems with which slot a Nova-T 500 would work in due to power issues |
| [13:47:51] | sphery: | I.e. LAN wouldn't initialize sometimes. Computer wouldn't boot sometimes. Therefore, I just went with 2x Myth backends. |
| [13:48:20] | sphery: | gbee: got a model number/name for the motherboard? I'm not getting any response from msi's website. |
| [13:48:22] | gbee: | but that was a different system |
| [13:48:38] | gbee: | MSI K9AGM3-FIH |
| [13:48:42] | sphery: | thx |
| [13:51:13] | sphery: | jumpaholic: anyway, if you do figure out a way to get the USB RF extender for the Harmony 890 to pass data along to the computer (making the IR part unnecessary), please let us know. |
| [13:51:30] | jumpaholic: | you got it |
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| [13:52:38] | sphery: | gbee: OK, I'm not finding any info on the motherboard's usage with lmsensors. What chip did it detect? Have you looked at sensors.conf to see if there are comments about changes needed for some mobo's? Have you looked at the lmsensors wiki for that device? |
| [13:54:53] | ** sphery thinks gbee might be the first person to use lmsensors with that motherboard... ** | |
| [13:56:20] | justinh: | gbee: just dig the dvm out. if you're careful no harm will come to anything |
| [13:57:20] | justinh: | even if you do short out the 12v rail the PSU will just shut down. only damage can come if the 12v line comes into contact with other rails – and that ain't likely to happen |
| [13:58:39] | gbee: | ok, so where do I want to measure? Lets assume that I don't know where the 12v is carried |
| [13:59:21] | justinh: | yellow & black wires |
| [13:59:30] | justinh: | yellow is +12V, black is 0V |
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| [13:59:45] | justinh: | HDD power connectors are usually convenient |
| [13:59:53] | justinh: | best to measure under real conditions too |
| [14:02:08] | gbee: | ok ~12.12v (on both HDD runs) |
| [14:02:48] | gbee: | removing all other cards and disconnecting one of the drives didn't help the signal quality, neither did moving the card to the second slot |
| [14:03:08] | gbee: | guess I'm moving the dish up then |
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| [14:11:33] | sphery: | gbee: if you want to fix lmsensors, you can probably adjust the compute for the 12V (and, if you have time, post the info to the lmsensors wiki or whatever). |
| [14:12:00] | sphery: | If you don't actually use it to monitor, though, and were just using it as a quick check, it's probably not worth the time. |
| [14:14:18] | justinh: | gbee: if all that didn't help, guess it's time to operate on the dish :( |
| [14:14:34] | justinh: | cheaper than a new psu though |
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| [14:18:36] | whoDat_: | how do i pull up signal strength? the key seems to have changed in .21 ..it says it is alt-f7 now but that doesn't work either |
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| [14:34:58] | jumpaholic: | sphery, so you mentioned that its possible to create an IR receiver.... is it simple to do? |
| [14:37:39] | jumpaholic: | could i take one of the IR sensors that came with the Harmony 890, cut it in half, cut an unused USB cable in half, and then tape them together? :D |
| [14:40:27] | jumpaholic: | i guess what came with the harmony are actually "dual IR emitters" |
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| [14:42:39] | justinh: | jumpaholic: you can't just go joining stuff up to a USB cable |
| [14:43:08] | jumpaholic: | yah i know :) just trying to make conversation |
| [14:43:10] | justinh: | see www.lirc.org for how to DIY IR receivers |
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| [14:43:46] | gbee: | whoDat_: Alt+F7 should work |
| [14:44:03] | whoDat_: | yeah for some reason it doesnt |
| [14:44:51] | gbee: | well you can rebind it to something else, either through mythweb, mythcontrols or by editing the database |
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| [14:45:25] | hume: | back again... now I have the right res on my TV, but the image is somewhat to small – small black borders – is there a way to adjust this, with an ati graphics card? |
| [14:45:29] | whoDat_: | i think it used to be just F6 in .20 , it worked for me then |
| [14:47:52] | jumpaholic: | anyone know if radio shack sells cheap remotes / USB ir receiver combos? |
| [14:48:37] | gbee: | whoDat_: it used to be F7, but at the time that was already used for Interactive TV so it had to be moved |
| [14:50:42] | iamlindoro: | jumpaholic: no, they don't. If you want USB you will likely have to go somewhere more specialized. You can rig up a serial receiver for $10 in parts, though |
| [14:52:04] | jumpaholic: | iamlindoro really? do you have a tutorial that doesnt require tools i dont have, like a souldering iron? |
| [14:52:11] | sphery: | jumpaholic: yeah, the home-brew receiver at lirc.org is pretty easy to build--even I (definitely a software person and not a hardware person) was able to do it. :) |
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| [14:52:40] | jumpaholic: | http://fly.cc.fer.hr/~mozgic/UIR/ <-- was linked to by lirc.org |
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| [14:52:59] | iamlindoro: | jumpaholic: Yes, I've got it bookmarked right next to "how to hunt bears with your bare hands" and "how to perform gall bladder surgery with a toothpick" |
| [14:53:14] | jumpaholic: | heh |
| [14:53:44] | jumpaholic: | if i knew how to spell "macguyver" i would make a joke here :) |
| [14:54:19] | sphery: | jumpaholic: you could always buy a bread board and just make a nice ugly (but functional) receiver. (Though doing so would be a waste of a perfectly good bread board.) |
| [14:56:12] | sphery: | something like: http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servl . . . ductId=20601 (though it's much bigger than you would need). |
| [14:57:20] | jumpaholic: | lol wtf is that.... i thought a breadboard was a slab of wood to use for cutting bread |
| [14:57:59] | sphery: | You can cut bread on these breadboards, too, but the crumbs tend to get in the way of your future electronics prototyping projects |
| [14:58:51] | sphery: | basically, it's just a board with holes for wires with some holes already connected to others, so you just stick wires in place. |
| [14:58:57] | jumpaholic: | so its some sort of circut that allows all sorts of inputs and outputs... oh ok |
| [14:59:15] | jumpaholic: | interesting |
| [15:00:24] | sphery: | generally, they're used for design/testing of circuits, then once you get the circuit working acceptably, it's moved to a prototyping board ( http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servl . . . uctId=616702 ) or something. |
| [15:01:30] | AndyCap: | looks small enough to make a rats nest out of even. |
| [15:02:10] | sphery: | the IR receiver circuit doesn't have many connecitons, so you don't get too much mess |
| [15:04:54] | jumpaholic: | i think i'll just buy a cheap remote with USB IR receiver... i dont mind spending the money |
| [15:05:01] | jumpaholic: | the trouble will be finding one near me |
| [15:09:09] | iamlindoro: | They make internets for this kind of thing now |
| [15:10:18] | jumpaholic: | internets cant get it to me today |
| [15:10:35] | iamlindoro: | Then you should have thought ahead/should be more patient! |
| [15:11:39] | jumpaholic: | patience and time... i have little of either |
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| [15:16:17] | iamlindoro: | Then you really won't like it when you have to do it a second time because you rushed it ;) |
| [15:16:34] | jumpaholic: | pretty opinionated, aren't you |
| [15:16:40] | iamlindoro: | oh my yes |
| [15:20:24] | AndyCap: | jumpaholic: irblaster.info ? |
| [15:20:37] | ventz: | iamlindoro: you were right, ffmpeg works perfectly...there are just some idiots on the ubuntu forum that don't know how to re-compile it |
| [15:21:03] | ventz: | i am using it now to pump out h264 for archiving purposes, and h264 files wrapped in flvs for watching instantly |
| [15:21:06] | iamlindoro: | ventz: Is this re: AC3? Good for you, glad you got it sorted out |
| [15:21:14] | iamlindoro: | ah, ok, not the AC3 issue then |
| [15:21:17] | ventz: | iamlindoro: yep :) |
| [15:21:21] | AndyCap: | ventz: got a commandline for that? :) |
| [15:21:23] | iamlindoro: | oh, or it is :) |
| [15:21:24] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [15:22:02] | ventz: | Last night I even wrote a whole php system for having the files rename nicely and got a free flash player (that's a bit better than the built in one), and wrote a loader system for being able to easily watch things |
| [15:22:30] | ventz: | AndyCap: sure one sec |
| [15:22:34] | iamlindoro: | ventz: Sounds cool, would be interested to see what you used |
| [15:23:35] | ventz: | ffmpeg -i "%DIR%/%FILE%" -f flv -vcodec libx264 -s 320x240 -ar 22050 -ab 32 -aspect 4:3 -y "/data/flv/ventz/%FILE%" |
| [15:23:41] | ventz: | that's my "quick and dirty" flash encoding |
| [15:25:26] | AndyCap: | ohh, nice. Heh. I guess you're on windows? |
| [15:25:37] | ventz: | no, why? |
| [15:25:56] | ventz: | oh wait, let me be specific. This is the Job1–4 |
| [15:26:03] | AndyCap: | %DIR% variables. but never mind. :) |
| [15:26:16] | AndyCap: | ventz: yeah. it came to me after a little while. |
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| [15:26:52] | sphery: | ventz: you mean rename the transcoded files in the PHP system, right? I.e. you didn't re-create mythrename.pl (which, BTW, should only be run with the --link argument) |
| [15:27:26] | ventz: | sphery: no, i specifically looked around. I took mythrename.pl and stole the portions that werer usefull, added some more stuff |
| [15:27:34] | ventz: | and then hooked it into a php front end :) |
| [15:28:13] | ventz: | I am sharing my mythtv box with a friend, so we each have our own tuner, download group, and encoding/transcoding group |
| [15:28:17] | sphery: | well, regardless, I highly recommend you don't rename the files in the recordings directory. It will cause issues eventually. |
| [15:28:29] | ventz: | the system lets us rename only our own files, and load them instantly into a flash player |
| [15:28:50] | ventz: | sphery: Oh I didn't. These are the transcoded flash outputs. |
| [15:29:17] | ventz: | They are in a seperate directory. I quickly learned that you shoult never mess with the recorded files, unless deleting them from the player or the mythweb setup |
| [15:29:24] | iamlindoro: | ventz: Why not just use the user job variables in your ffmpeg command line to output the right name? |
| [15:29:41] | iamlindoro: | ie "%TITLE% – %SUBTITLE%.flv" |
| [15:30:25] | sphery: | ventz: good, that's exactly right, the files should only really be touched through MythWeb or mythfrontend. |
| [15:32:33] | ventz: | iamlindoro: Oh, I didn't know it supported those. Wow, that will make things easier. |
| [15:32:41] | ventz: | Let me find all the other variables |
| [15:32:48] | ventz: | I am assuming there are date ones too |
| [15:32:49] | iamlindoro: | ventz: Yeah, there's some fanciness that can be done |
| [15:32:58] | ventz: | that's neat. thanks |
| [15:32:59] | iamlindoro: | yup |
| [15:33:00] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Jobs |
| [15:33:26] | ventz: | I remember seeing a list like that, but the site claimed it was only for nuvexport |
| [15:33:59] | iamlindoro: | These will work for anything you set as a user job, so should do the trick |
| [15:34:09] | ventz: | this is perfect |
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| [15:34:41] | ventz: | I can now throw away the whole rename portion, that gets invoked from the php frontend...it was soo messy anyway |
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| [15:44:35] | AlsMe: | anyone receive the HD PVR yet? |
| [15:45:06] | iamlindoro: | AlsMe: a few people allegedly have, but no myth users that I've heard of just yet. I get mine Monday. |
| [15:45:56] | iamlindoro: | Linux direvers won't be out at earliest until Sunday, so no real rush |
| [15:45:59] | iamlindoro: | er drivers |
| [15:50:17] | ventz: | iamlindoro: is there a way to force the re-naming to have underscores? |
| [15:50:38] | ventz: | I could easily check and re-place, but I want to get rid of the entire "rename" portion |
| [15:50:45] | iamlindoro: | ventz: Hmm, have never needed to, so I don't know TBH |
| [15:55:14] | ventz: | ok |
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| [16:19:49] | GreyFoxx: | Iam: There is a trivial patch if you want working OpenGL video rendering with the 173.x series of nvidia drivers |
| [16:20:21] | GreyFoxx: | At least in the 60 seconds I've tried it so far it works |
| [16:20:44] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Hmm... have you ever noticed excessive, over the top tearing the the OpenGL renderer? I've mostly just gone back to Xv-blit since it's working pretty well for me right now |
| [16:20:49] | iamlindoro_: | er with the |
| [16:21:37] | GreyFoxx: | I always used xv, just playing with the gl one to fool around :) |
| [16:21:53] | iamlindoro_: | I guess the long and the short of it is that I'm going to hold off on OpenGL for a bit |
| [16:22:06] | iamlindoro_: | I appreciate the offer, though |
| [16:22:58] | iamlindoro_: | Actually... I guess I'll probably be recompiling myth early next week, so maybe I'll take that patch and apply in a couple days if that's ok |
| [16:23:52] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php? . . . ;postcount=6 |
| [16:24:15] | iamlindoro_: | Wow, it *is* a tiny patch |
| [16:24:41] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, guess while I'm at it next week I'll apply that one too. thanks! |
| [16:25:44] | GreyFoxx: | I'll use it for now, see if I have any troubles with it |
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| [16:30:45] | kormoc: | sphery. you're welcome and no worries :) |
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| [17:02:41] | Sedorox: | Let The Havic Begin! |
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| [17:10:21] | glimpser: | what is "QMYSQL3 driver not loaded" error? |
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| [17:15:08] | Dagmar: | glimpser: It means you failed to install the mysql bindings for Qt |
| [17:20:52] | GreyFoxx: | Anyone offhand know if there is a "void" keyboard driver for Xorg similar to the one for a mouse ? |
| [17:21:20] | GreyFoxx: | never mind |
| [17:21:29] | GreyFoxx: | void worked this time |
| [17:25:58] | glimpser: | Dagmar: thanks. now i get "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)" |
| [17:26:16] | kormoc: | glimpser, and thus your password is wrong |
| [17:26:36] | glimpser: | what password? |
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| [17:26:49] | kormoc: | glimpser, the mysql password |
| [17:26:56] | glimpser: | i didn't set any. |
| [17:27:04] | kormoc: | glimpser, something or someone did |
| [17:29:14] | gbee: | yay ubuntu |
| [17:38:25] | Dagmar: | glimpser: You should look at the installation docs on mythtv.org |
| [17:38:47] | Dagmar: | I just dropped an email to the ivtv-users list asking if anyone knows WTF is *supposed* to be going on with videodev2.h |
| [17:39:17] | Dagmar: | HOpefully someone can come up with a reason for the continual brokenness there before I have to say something heavily negative about it on the -dev list |
| [17:41:40] | Dagmar: | It's getting a little tiresome hacking around that wrongness every time I upgrade ivtv's utils |
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| [18:57:56] | Widget: | does anyone on here have projectM working with mythmusic? it just segfaults here |
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| [19:00:40] | fiXXXerMet: | The way that my network is setup, my mythtv backend is on my dmz (also with email, web, etc). I have a via epia box with a cf card (I think) with xp embedded on it – is there a way to install minimyth or a myth frontend, from within windows, overwriting windows? |
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| [19:02:53] | fiXXXerMet: | no cdrom or ide ports or I'd just use a cdrom to install |
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| [19:05:37] | kormoc: | fiXXXerMet, not in any way sure to work |
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| [19:23:45] | stoth: | I see the hd-pvr's are shipping |
| [19:23:58] | iamlindoro_: | Yep, nice work :) |
| [19:24:12] | stoth: | anyone got one yet? |
| [19:24:38] | iamlindoro_: | stoth: Mine went out in the Thursday shipment, but I cheaped out and got two day shipping so it's coming Monday :) |
| [19:24:53] | iamlindoro_: | haven't seen any of the mythtv folks claiming to have one yet |
| [19:24:57] | stoth: | ahh. |
| [19:25:12] | iamlindoro_: | AVSForums people claim to have a couple though |
| [19:25:25] | sphery: | wow, kormoc got quite the bounty for [17429], "Fixes $4928" :) |
| [19:25:28] | stoth: | ooohhh, I'll have to read up. |
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| [19:30:11] | iamlindoro_: | Yay UPS, who has had my package in my city three times so far and bounced it around to the rest of the Bay Area |
| [19:32:17] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: you paid for 2nd day shipping, so they would be breaking their contract with you if they got it to you before Monday. :) |
| [19:32:51] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Heh, exactly, would hate to give the customer an inch more than he paid for |
| [19:32:55] | iamlindoro_: | the world would asplode |
| [19:33:12] | iamlindoro_: | goodwill be damned |
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| [19:34:54] | Dagmar: | UPS is fun like that |
| [19:35:26] | iamlindoro_: | It's easy to be magnanimous in the absence of linux drivers or myth support. I've got nothing but time :) |
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| [19:46:56] | stoth: | the ps3 + myth info on the wiki is kinda old. Where's the best and latest info? |
| [19:47:06] | stoth: | (running myth n a ps3) |
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| [19:49:39] | janneg: | stoth: I got one but I think I should return it. the problem with the plastic case seems to be more serious |
| [19:49:42] | Dagmar: | Common sense would dictate you wouldn't do that |
| [19:50:00] | janneg: | it's invisible and untouchable ;) |
| [19:50:09] | Dagmar: | The PS3 should already be able to read from your backend |
| [19:50:18] | janneg: | just kidding |
| [19:50:50] | janneg: | Dagmar: you can't schedule recordings and use live-tv with upnp |
| [19:51:18] | janneg: | and running backend and frontend on the ps3 should be fine |
| [19:52:20] | stoth: | janneg: You should ask for your money back :) |
| [19:53:11] | iamlindoro_: | stoth: I think I recall reading that Ubuntu on the PS3 now has accelerated video |
| [19:54:11] | Dagmar: | Running a backend on the PS3 |
| [19:54:14] | Dagmar: | Are you high? |
| [19:54:31] | janneg: | stoth: mails from mark kendall on the mythtv user list have probably the lastest information regarding mythtv on the ps3 |
| [19:54:43] | stoth: | k. thanks. |
| [19:54:46] | janneg: | Dagmar: why not |
| [19:54:52] | sphery: | If you get on the roof with your PS3, your TV, and a long extension cord and drop them off the side, the video will be accelerated at 1G |
| [19:54:59] | Dagmar: | Well, a backend generally records something. |
| [19:55:01] | Dagmar: | No PCI slots. |
| [19:55:10] | Dagmar: | ...and for what a PS3 costs you can build a BETTER backend |
| [19:56:09] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: But you can't play 5 or 6 extremely horrible horrible games on it! :) |
| [19:56:46] | Dagmar: | Actually I like GTA4 |
| [19:57:03] | sphery: | Hey, now, On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness: Episode One plays on it. Oh, wait, it would play on a Linux-based Myth box, too... |
| [19:57:19] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah but I've got that on 360... no real exclusive titles on the PS3 that I am drawn to just yet |
| [19:57:30] | iamlindoro_: | FF XIII may do it for me, though |
| [19:57:43] | Dagmar: | sphery: Actually, ti's nto available for the PS3 or I'd ahve gotten it on that insteafd ofht ePC |
| [19:58:10] | sphery: | Oh, I thought it was. |
| [19:58:21] | sphery: | No problem as I've got a 360. |
| [19:58:24] | Dagmar: | Nope, sadly that's the place it's not available |
| [19:59:45] | sphery: | Hmmm. Wonder why. I wonder if it was really that much more expensive to include support for PS3 or if it was a lack of distribution capability thing. |
| [20:01:36] | Dagmar: | I think it was a lack of channels |
| [20:01:43] | Dagmar: | I don't think Hothouse games had any hookups with Sony |
| [20:02:23] | Dagmar: | ...and I'm not sure there's any 'M' rated downloadables from Playstation Store yet so it might have been an infrastructure failure on Sony's end as well |
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| [20:04:06] | sphery: | interesting. Haven't kept up with PS3 stuff, so I didn't know how they do their version of XBox Live Marketplace. |
| [20:04:34] | Dagmar: | Pretty normally. |
| [20:04:43] | Dagmar: | ...except they use real money and not barneybucks |
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| [20:06:35] | jpabq: | Widget: My info is a little dated, but the latest version of projectM which doesn't segfault is 0.99 — don't use 1.0. |
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| [20:09:59] | baalsgate: | hi i have a problem with my backend for some reason http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16059/ |
| [20:10:22] | baalsgate: | can anyone help ? |
| [20:11:39] | cesman: | is mysql running? |
| [20:13:10] | jarle: | Trying to run "mythfilldatabase --file 1 ~/tvnorge.xml" (which used to work) does not seem to add any program info. I get "Error in 1:1: error occurred while parsing element" What could this error mean? |
| [20:16:00] | baalsgate: | i restarted the machine so i would have thought that mysql would be started but it has seemed to fix it telling mysql to restart |
| [20:16:14] | Dagmar: | baalsgate: You have not installed the mysql bindings for Qt for one thing |
| [20:16:36] | Dagmar: | and if you don't read the installation instuctions on www.mythtv.org you will FAIL |
| [20:16:48] | baalsgate: | how do i check mysql is in the startup ? |
| [20:17:08] | Dagmar: | Ask in the channel for your distribution |
| [20:17:40] | baalsgate: | Dagmar logoff! I have had this mythtv unit running 2years now so dont presume things |
| [20:18:25] | Dagmar: | baalsgate: Welcome to the ignore list |
| [20:18:34] | Andreaz: | That "record multiple stations from same transponder" – feature is great – thank you all for that... |
| [20:18:51] | Dagmar: | If you have had this system for two years and haven't had time to learn such basic things, you have no one but the driver of the short bus to blame |
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| [20:20:52] | baalsgate: | Dagmar whats your problem or are you just an asshole ? |
| [20:21:23] | Andreaz: | Whats wrong here? Flaming Session? |
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| [20:22:33] | Dagmar: | Just another noob being a jackass to people he wanted help from |
| [20:22:54] | Dagmar: | If he's telling me to logoff, it's clear he didn't really want an answer |
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| [20:23:57] | Dagmar: | On an entirely different front, this Moneual company is making some *extremely* pimp cass |
| [20:24:02] | Dagmar: | s/cass/cases/; |
| [20:24:09] | RyeBrye: | Anyone running Fedora 9 yet? I heard the Nvidia has drivers out now |
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| [20:29:00] | baalsgate: | gee Dagmar got a habit of insulting people why dont you just go and be rude somewhere else |
| [20:30:15] | Andreaz: | I think i found an issue regarding "multiple recordings from one transponder" with 2 tunercards. If card1 is busy recording, card2 also on another transponder and i want to watch livetv, i only can choice of the stations of transponder from card1. I should choice of the sum of the transponders tuned on card1 AND card2, or not? Hard to explain... :) |
| [20:30:26] | Dagmar: | RyeBrye: Nvidia drivers should be pretty much distro-independent, man |
| [20:31:02] | RyeBrye: | Dagmar – the problem was that Fedora 9 shipped with the newer Xorg server that nvdia drivers didn't support yet |
| [20:31:03] | Dagmar: | I know nVidia released a new driver just last week to deal with issues happening when trying to build it against the 2.6.25 drivers, so RedHat *might* have caught up with it |
| [20:31:09] | Dagmar: | Oh weird |
| [20:31:24] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I think it was a beta xorg too iirc |
| [20:31:31] | Dagmar: | Andreas: That sounds pretty clear to me. Like clear enough to file a bug report on |
| [20:31:37] | Dagmar: | RyeBrye: Ooo naughty of them |
| [20:31:52] | Dagmar: | Andreas: 'cuz that does sound like a bug |
| [20:32:09] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, so lots of Fedora users are mad at NVidia for not having a driver out when the F9 shipped... and NVidia is mad at Fedora for shipping a version that uses a beta Xorg |
| [20:32:14] | Andreaz: | I think its more like an unimplemented thingy... |
| [20:32:32] | Dagmar: | No, it's implemented |
| [20:32:43] | Dagmar: | It's just clearly not considering the channels one might use on card 2 as well |
| [20:32:43] | RyeBrye: | Maybe it's some zealot's way of reminding everyone that the nvidia drivers aren't open source... |
| [20:32:45] | Andreaz: | Anyway, that feature is rock 'n roll |
| [20:32:51] | Dagmar: | Someones logic just ran short |
| [20:32:59] | Dagmar: | RyeBrye: Might be. |
| [20:33:10] | Dagmar: | I'd jsut call it irresponsible to push out a *beta* thing to the production tree |
| [20:33:44] | RyeBrye: | Yeah. I'd agree |
| [20:36:28] | Andreaz: | Seems myth only see card one and is not looking for another card this time. I still try to findout how to reproduce for a better ticket... |
| [20:36:53] | Dagmar: | Andres: Exactly |
| [20:37:12] | Dagmar: | I can see how someone might have overlooked the possiblility of a second card being present when doing the multirec check |
| [20:37:37] | Dagmar: | It's likely the moment someone sees that they're going to have a *headdesk* moment |
| [20:37:48] | Andreaz: | hrhr |
| [20:38:03] | Andreaz: | The feature is worth some trouble... |
| [20:39:03] | Dagmar: | Damn. Newegg is out of dual-core 939's |
| [20:39:27] | baalsgate: | Dagmar your suggestion that it has anything to do with QT is totaly wrong , such a smart ass that knows nothing |
| [20:41:53] | Andreaz: | Hm. I mostly see such errors if i won't compile mysql support into qt... As first guess it wasnt bad... |
| [20:42:50] | Dagmar: | huhwot? |
| [20:43:05] | Dagmar: | Is that noob still running his mouth? |
| [20:43:53] | Andreaz: | Ah, you ignore him? |
| [20:44:16] | Dagmar: | Of course |
| [20:44:43] | baalsgate: | Andreaz something had messed up in the database I wonder if its from the multi frontends I have been playing with this last month |
| [20:44:46] | Andreaz: | baalsgate: Maybe mysql isnt running, or only configured using only mysql.sock |
| [20:45:02] | Dagmar: | He acted like an argumentative jerk, and I aint' puttin' up with that |
| [20:45:17] | Dagmar: | His problem was obvious, documented, and he wants to argue about it. |
| [20:45:35] | wolfx: | what're some good options for controlling a myth-frontend, remote wise? |
| [20:45:50] | baalsgate: | Andreaz the problem is fixed but im wondering what caused it |
| [20:46:12] | Dagmar: | wolfx: Any cheap IR remote you can buy at the store that you like the look and feel of |
| [20:46:34] | Andreaz: | wolfx: i use my tv cards as remote, working perfectly... |
| [20:47:04] | Andreaz: | except the fact that they got swapped over and over again in numbering... :( |
| [20:47:07] | wolfx: | what's your interface to your frontend? |
| [20:47:56] | Andreaz: | the cards? 2 aver dvb-t cards... lame bttv all here say... :) |
| [20:48:15] | wolfx: | i previously had a back/frontend and plugged into my card, but now i'm going with separate systems for back and frontend |
| [20:49:22] | wolfx: | plan on having the backend away from my entertainment center so need some frontend interface |
| [20:49:32] | Andreaz: | Seems to be the same question i also need an answer for my thin only frontend... |
| [20:49:33] | baalsgate: | Dagmar your problem is ovious too http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2007/10/18/%23ubuntu-mythtv.txt "what's the deal with that dagmar guy in mythtv-users?" |
| [20:49:52] | baalsgate: | nothing changes much |
| [20:50:50] | Andreaz: | Its so hot here, i think my pcs got smelt... |
| [20:50:54] | Dagmar: | wolfx: Probably serial IR recievers are the cheapest bet |
| [20:51:06] | iamlindoro_: | That's true, there will always be bitchy users expecting that they are entitled to help |
| [20:51:09] | Andreaz: | baalsgate: Why not beeing lucky with a solved prob? |
| [20:51:34] | Dagmar: | Andreas: Because he's taking his frustration out on me, or trying to |
| [20:51:42] | Dagmar: | I'll say again, and make it very explicit this time |
| [20:52:11] | baalsgate: | Andreaz what ? |
| [20:52:15] | Dagmar: | I put you in the ignore list baalsgate at the very outset because it's clear to me you have some kind of personal problem stemming from me suggesting you were wrong |
| [20:52:18] | Andreaz: | Hm. If got frustration from a machine, i switch it off until the next morning – then the things will always working.... or i will kill the machine... :) |
| [20:52:54] | Dagmar: | The "no error type" messages is virtually ALWAYS a missing/broken sql plugin for Qt. |
| [20:53:03] | Dagmar: | If the module is *there* it gives an error type. |
| [20:53:05] | baalsgate: | Andreaz im not frustrated with the machine just the attitude of Dagmar |
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| [20:54:19] | Dagmar: | OKay, now that you're not in the ignore list anymore, what exactly is your problem with me? |
| [20:54:46] | Dagmar: | ...and what makes it so damn important that is has to go on for this long? |
| [20:55:04] | baalsgate: | Andreaz the problem was simply that the sql had not started up for some reason that I am still investigating had nothing to do with QT or even was it necessory to start assuming that It was an installation problem and i should read irrelivant information |
| [20:55:17] | Andreaz: | I must completly rethink my airflow inside my 19" Rack. Its not HotSummer-proof. Damn... |
| [20:55:36] | Andreaz: | I think it was something like configured only use the socket-file... |
| [20:55:48] | baalsgate: | Dagmar i dont have a probem with you , you have a problem with people |
| [20:56:03] | Dagmar: | You pitched a fit because I suggested you read the installation docs or face failure, when you pastebinned a bunch of stuff from some first time configuration mechanism |
| [20:56:06] | Dagmar: | What was I supposed to think? |
| [20:56:21] | Dagmar: | Ther'es DOZENS of newbs who come in here every week with an almost identical problem |
| [20:56:36] | Dagmar: | You need to grow the hell up if one comment from someone can make you this mad. |
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| [20:57:50] | Dagmar: | From what you pasted, it didn't look like anything had been set up yet. The installation docs would be the right place to send someone |
| [20:57:58] | baalsgate: | well its a bit sad that you would talk to new users that way too , I know if i had had that sort of responce a few years ago when i was setting up my first box i would have found it very discouraging , and mythtv-users is about getting more people involved not sending them running |
| [20:58:06] | Dagmar: | I would talk to them WHAT way? |
| [20:58:12] | Dagmar: | You were the one swearing at people. |
| [20:58:55] | Dagmar: | From what I'm seeing you represent the "helpers should take any and all abuse from the users" front, and that is exactly how you get a channel full of people with no clue |
| [20:59:25] | Dagmar: | So again, what specifically was it that I said which is so offensive you have to be this much of a pest about it? |
| [21:03:32] | Dagmar: | Is it because I told you to ask about the mysql startup thing in the channel for your distribution |
| [21:03:45] | Dagmar: | ...because they're the only people who would be expected to know immediately what that is |
| [21:04:00] | Dagmar: | It's different for almost every distribution. |
| [21:04:15] | Dagmar: | I'm just going to go with "personal problem" and put you back in the ignore list. |
| [21:04:41] | Dagmar: | ...since you have failed utterly to justify your behaviour. |
| [21:05:01] | baalsgate: | Dagmar, excuse me I have not sworn at you that I can see ... but as you wish to know its because you speak with hostility |
| [21:05:36] | Dagmar: | I speak with irritation because you're accusing me of a lot of stuff, and generally being a jerk about it |
| [21:05:53] | Dagmar: | So again, what specifically was it that pisses you off so much? |
| [21:05:58] | baalsgate: | Dagmar, i dont have time for your childish behaviours , put me on your ignore list would be great because I dont want to hear from people like you |
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| [21:06:27] | Dagmar: | OKay, back into the ignore list with you then. I have better things to do with my time than cater to kooks. |
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| [21:06:55] | RyeBrye: | Umm... The ignore list is one way... so you can just ignore him and not hear from people like him |
| [21:06:59] | Dagmar: | No sense in trying to be civil with people who clearly just want someone to blame for their pain. |
| [21:07:09] | Pete__: | I'm giving the MythStreams plugin a go with myth 0.21 but whenever I try to enter the menu for it, it segfaults. Anyone here got it working? |
| [21:07:13] | Dagmar: | RyeBrye: Were ti that I could filter out everyone like him |
| [21:07:31] | ** RyeBrye loves ccache ** | |
| [21:07:36] | Dagmar: | Pete: I'm not sure it works with 0.21 yet. It didn't when I last checked. Does the changelog say it's been updated for that yet? |
| [21:08:21] | Dagmar: | Hmm.... looks like someone at Ubuntu may have picked up some slack. |
| [21:08:25] | baalsgate: | Pete: mythstream works on mine |
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| [21:08:42] | stu: | I am trying to follow documentation on getting mythtv working with lirc... most of the documentation I find keeps talking about /dev/hidev0 however this doenst exist? Anyone know what has changed in Ubuntu Hardy to make this dissapear? |
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| [21:08:59] | Pete__: | There isn't a changelog in the tarball I got atleast. |
| [21:09:29] | Pete__: | baalsgate: Are you on myth 0.21? And what distro are you using? |
| [21:09:30] | Dagmar: | Ah, GOogling around I see a bunch of stuff about it from this month actially. |
| [21:09:33] | Dagmar: | I thought it was just going to die off |
| [21:09:45] | Dagmar: | It was flat out broken for awhile and never did work that well |
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| [21:10:16] | Pete__: | There is a package for mythbuntu, I'll see if this works any better. |
| [21:11:06] | baalsgate: | Pete__ yea running the mythbuntu .21 |
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| [21:23:27] | Dagmar: | Hmm... AM2 requires DDR2? bummer |
| [21:26:04] | Pete__: | One of the features of AM2 is the fact you can use DDR2, you couldn't with amd chips before then |
| [21:26:11] | Pete__: | I think |
| [21:26:38] | Pete__: | No luck with the package/patched source from mythbuntu for mythstreams, still segfaults. |
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| [21:29:09] | baalsgate: | Pete__ that is correct the AM2 has a built in memory controler as part of the Xbar |
| [21:30:14] | Pete__: | I was quite interested in AM2 when it first showed up, never did get one myself though. Ended up with a q6600 eventually |
| [21:31:31] | baalsgate: | Pete__ thats odd , my mythstreams works but I have yet to find an interesting stream that i would use lol but it does work. |
| [21:32:26] | Pete__: | Hah |
| [21:32:28] | Dagmar: | Well, I've got the ASRock motherboard that one can actually get a daughter card for and upgrade it |
| [21:33:02] | Dagmar: | I'm just pricing out what's my cheapest option is for separating my disks into it's own SAN unit |
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| [21:33:15] | Pete__: | I take it you do realise I'm not talking about the mythstream package and the mythstreams ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythStreams ) to play bbc iplayer content? |
| [21:33:24] | Dagmar: | I've got three 939 motherboards which aren't upgradable so there's about four different possible configs I'm looking at |
| [21:33:42] | baalsgate: | Pete__ yea im a big AMD fan i have a dual cpu tyan board with 2x 2.8ghz 940pin Opterons and also a fairly new AM2 Quadcore 2.5Ghz balck addition running over clocked to 2.8Ghz |
| [21:34:15] | Dagmar: | Yes your'e talking about http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~moongies/streamtuned.html |
| [21:34:40] | Dagmar: | ...which has always pretty much sucked |
| [21:35:12] | iamlindoro_: | Ergo its not being an official plugin and being treated with general derision |
| [21:35:34] | iamlindoro_: | Painful interface, too |
| [21:35:38] | Pete__: | I am an AMD fan too, haven't had an Intel processor for years. I was waiting for the Phenom to show, but with the whole 298 bug I had enough of waiting to went for the q6600. |
| [21:35:42] | Pete__: | Ah |
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| [21:37:09] | Dagmar: | "painful"... |
| [21:37:15] | Dagmar: | Yeah that seems like the right word |
| [21:37:25] | Dagmar: | I can ad "confusing" and "counterintuitive" to the list. |
| [21:38:17] | iamlindoro_: | Also those :) |
| [21:39:37] | Dagmar: | God help me it's looking like the best thing to do wouold be to upgrade my desktop, and take the X2 CPU from that and stick it in the myth box, |
| [21:40:00] | Dagmar: | Ther'es got to be a way I can do this without having to completely rebuild both my desktop and the myth box at the same time |
| [21:41:12] | Dagmar: | Wow at least DDR2 RAM is dirt cheap |
| [21:41:26] | Dagmar: | Freaking $10 for a 512Mb stick is madness |
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| [21:43:13] | Dagmar: | If I get this HD-PVR I'm not going to really have any choice about getting the 3200+ box to play H.264 |
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| [21:47:01] | Gareth: | does anyone know the default location for videos that the builtin upnp server uses? |
| [21:47:56] | iamlindoro_: | Gareth: The uPnP server just looks wherever you you mythvideo set to look |
| [21:47:58] | iamlindoro_: | er you have |
| [21:48:21] | clever: | which defaults somewhere in /mnt/ |
| [21:49:12] | Gareth: | Okay. My myth backend is a backend only..no frontend..so I dont have mythvideo on there. |
| [21:54:54] | Gareth: | ah found it...VideoStartupDir in the database.. |
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| [21:54:56] | Gareth: | thanks. |
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| [22:01:29] | RyeBrye: | When is the HD-PVR shipping? |
| [22:02:11] | Dagmar: | Some shipped this week |
| [22:02:23] | Dagmar: | More will be going out next week according to what I read last night |
| [22:02:35] | RyeBrye: | I just realized one very amazing thing... The h.264 hardware encoding means that I can encode stuff from the HD-PVR at 5megabits and it will take the same amount of storage space / hour as my current mpeg2 card |
| [22:03:00] | RyeBrye: | (5088 Kb/sec is my average rate now) |
| [22:03:07] | RyeBrye: | or am I smoking crack? |
| [22:03:22] | Dagmar: | I'm thinking you're assuming the same resolution |
| [22:03:37] | RyeBrye: | no, same bitrate – not same resolution |
| [22:03:37] | Dagmar: | Plan on 2x the disk space, afaik |
| [22:03:44] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I'd have to test it out |
| [22:03:54] | iamlindoro_: | You can encode any codec at 5 Mbit/s and it will always be the same size as any other codec at 5 Mbit/s :) |
| [22:04:03] | RyeBrye: | It says on the HD-PVR site that you can adjust the bitrate from between 1 to 13 Mbit /sec |
| [22:04:23] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, you can. |
| [22:04:32] | RyeBrye: | and the example they give of recording 2 hours onto a single 4.7 gig DVD for playback on a bluray drive is assuming 5mbit/sec |
| [22:04:57] | iamlindoro_: | RyeBrye: Bitrate is just an expression of size per unit of time, codec has nothing to do with it |
| [22:05:00] | RyeBrye: | right |
| [22:05:13] | Dagmar: | Why would they burn a DVD for playback on a blueray drive? |
| [22:05:14] | iamlindoro_: | so the h.264 hardware encoding has nothing to do with it |
| [22:06:05] | RyeBrye: | The reason is that you can burn h.264 High-def onto cheap DVD's for playback |
| [22:06:07] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: Presumably for cheap media |
| [22:06:25] | RyeBrye: | I'd rather pay less than a dollar for my media than $20 or $30 – given the choice |
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| [22:06:40] | iamlindoro_: | I'd rather use no media at all :) |
| [22:06:41] | Dagmar: | Still sounds like buzzwording to me |
| [22:06:44] | RyeBrye: | and... I'd rather use a burner I already have than have to buy a several-hundred dollar one |
| [22:07:03] | RyeBrye: | http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html They mention it right on their main page |
| [22:07:32] | RyeBrye: | "Two hours of HD recordings, recorded at 5 Mbits/sec, can be burnt onto a standard 4.7 GByte DVD-R or DVD-RW disk for playback on a Blu-ray DVD player." |
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| [22:09:01] | Darthy: | hi |
| [22:09:16] | Dagmar: | So it *was* just buzzwording |
| [22:09:23] | iamlindoro_: | Yarr |
| [22:10:14] | Darthy: | my mythtv cannot find multifeed channels. i have version 0.20.20070821–1. |
| [22:10:16] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, they are throwing buzzwords in there – but I can actually see myself using it in that way |
| [22:10:56] | Dagmar: | I guess there's no way to use the HDMI output on th eATI X1250 huh |
| [22:11:45] | Darthy: | does mythtv normally find multifeed channels while scanning? |
| [22:12:57] | iamlindoro_: | Darthy: Are you talking about all the programs on a multiplex in digital television? Yes, with the correct setup and tuner card type, myth can detect all elements of a multiplex |
| [22:14:15] | sphery: | Dagmar: You mean because of its lack of support for audio? |
| [22:14:16] | Darthy: | what do you mean by the correct setup and tuner type. mythtv finds all otzer channels using dvbs. do i need a newer version? |
| [22:15:04] | sphery: | Dagmar: if so, I think gbee was looking into adding OSS4 support for audio on his ATI HDMI (and, therefore, I'm assuming OSS4 has support for it). |
| [22:15:39] | iamlindoro_: | Darthy: You may be making up terms here, not certain what you mean by "multifeed," as multifeed in digital television is generally a term referring to a multi-LNB satellite dish. |
| [22:16:01] | iamlindoro_: | If you are referring to all programs within a mux, myth can scan for all of them just fine |
| [22:16:18] | Darthy: | ah ok. thats what i mean |
| [22:17:07] | iamlindoro_: | Then yes, myth can scan for any and all digital programs. It is, of course, reliant on you to give it the proper tuning parameters. You still haven't said what it is that you think myth is failing to find |
| [22:17:23] | Dagmar: | sphery: Lack of audio support I can deal with |
| [22:17:31] | Dagmar: | IT's the HDMI that I have my doubts about |
| [22:17:47] | Darthy: | so.. why does i have this problem when it should run fine? do i need a newer version? or do i have to make a rescan of all instead of just some transponders? |
| [22:17:51] | Dagmar: | They're talking about HDCP-compliant HDMI in the their crowing about it. |
| [22:18:00] | Dagmar: | I'm half wondering what it even matters since it's not an input. |
| [22:18:11] | iamlindoro_: | Darthy: You aren't telling us what it is you think Myth isn't finding! |
| [22:18:14] | Dagmar: | It's not like a TV is going to balk and forcibly downsample it's *input* |
| [22:18:31] | Dagmar: | That would be... inexcuseable. |
| [22:18:40] | sphery: | Dagmar: right, because Myth is the source, it would be the one requesting the encryption/"protection" |
| [22:18:50] | iamlindoro_: | If the channel is encrypted, then by default myth ignored encrypted channels. And even when you uncheck the "unencrypted channels only" box, you won't be able to tune those channels without a hardware CAM |
| [22:18:54] | sphery: | so the HDCP part won't ever come into play |
| [22:18:57] | iamlindoro_: | er ignores |
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| [22:20:01] | clever: | iamlindoro_: i saw something in here lastnight about 'encrypted' channels simply being encrypted for that 1 program |
| [22:20:12] | clever: | causing the channel(not allways encrypted) to not get saved at all |
| [22:20:28] | iamlindoro_: | clever: You are talking to discussion re: 5C on firewire, he's talking about DVB-S |
| [22:20:34] | clever: | ahhh |
| [22:21:08] | clever: | i realy need to get some digital capture so i can learn this stuff hands on:P |
| [22:21:25] | iamlindoro_: | Plus you get the pretty pictures :) |
| [22:21:36] | clever: | yeah |
| [22:21:42] | clever: | analog capture looks ok on the tv out |
| [22:21:53] | jumpaholic: | hey all, i have lirc working with a windows mce remote, but the response to remote button presses are a little slow... is that normal? |
| [22:21:54] | clever: | but 1 look on the laptop or crt and it looks like shit |
| [22:22:07] | sphery: | nothing like making bad TV interesting simply by making it pretty :) |
| [22:22:59] | iamlindoro_: | Very true... Several educational HD channels and my fascination with them are proof of that |
| [22:23:16] | sphery: | I've actually deleted shows that weren't HDTV even though I think they would be more interesting than ones I watch (that are HDTV) |
| [22:23:38] | sphery: | I'm waiting for the HDTV version of The Clockword Orange ;) |
| [22:24:11] | clever: | http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271 is comparing the 'hd' signal from a few providers |
| [22:24:22] | clever: | they arent all showing the exact same mpeg stream |
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| [22:24:44] | sphery: | yeah, rebroadcasters tend to requantize to shave off bits |
| [22:24:48] | clever: | one of the caps is an educational prog |
| [22:24:54] | clever: | yep |
| [22:24:57] | iamlindoro_: | clever: That's because most companies recompress the signal to fit several channels in 6 Mhz with cherry pickers |
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| [22:25:01] | clever: | yep |
| [22:25:11] | sphery: | Thus /my/ fascination with OTA |
| [22:25:28] | clever: | shaving several Mbps off the signal |
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| [22:25:35] | clever: | one of them went 17->12 |
| [22:25:39] | clever: | 38% drop |
| [22:25:42] | iamlindoro_: | Verizon seems to leave it pretty much alone. Once they are in my area I may go with them + HD-PVR |
| [22:25:57] | rushfan: | hello, when I watch deinterlaced HDTV its extremely choppy. I dont know why this is because my processor is an E8400 3.0ghz Core 2 Duo |
| [22:26:10] | sphery: | For a while--even while Jessica Simpson was telling everyone they should watch her on DirecTV, the only one with all 1080i channels--DirecTV was using 1280x1080 and calling it 1080i |
| [22:26:38] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Hehe, guess almost anything can be called 1080i if you have 1080 interlaced vertical lines :) |
| [22:26:48] | sphery: | Their new bird (and the one going up--next month, IIRC) actually has 1920x1080i |
| [22:26:58] | ** iamlindoro_ compresses his tv to 640x1080 :) ** | |
| [22:27:11] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: especially when consumers don't understand the difference between source resolution and display resolution :( |
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| [22:27:33] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: Nice, I'll bet you're getting some really low-bitrate 1080i :) |
| [22:27:46] | iamlindoro_: | Haha, exactly |
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| [22:28:50] | sphery: | are you really using that res? If so, why such unusual aspect? |
| [22:28:57] | iamlindoro_: | No, not really, just goofing around |
| [22:29:13] | iamlindoro_: | re "It's 1080i!" |
| [22:29:30] | iamlindoro_: | could have chosen something more silly like 15 x 1080 I guess |
| [22:29:32] | sphery: | that's what I thought, but I had to ask just in case you had something new for me to learn |
| [22:29:44] | iamlindoro_: | Haha, don't think I have anything to teach you |
| [22:30:09] | sphery: | I'm sure you know plenty I don't. One day I'll get you to share some of it. |
| [22:30:26] | ** iamlindoro_ gets to work learning things in anticipation for that day ;) ** | |
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| [22:30:40] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [22:30:46] | sphery: | Besides, I just pretend to know a lot. Kind of the prophet approach--say a bunch of stuff and you're bound to be right occasionally. |
| [22:30:59] | Dagmar: | I just saw GNOME declared an alien operating system on some movie |
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| [22:31:12] | iamlindoro_: | Really? What movie? |
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| [22:31:22] | sphery: | Dagmar: Probably MS couldn't get a license for export of Vista. |
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| [22:31:35] | Dagmar: | The thing wot's on SciFi right now |
| [22:31:41] | sphery: | so the aliens went with GNU/Linux/GNOME |
| [22:31:42] | Dagmar: | I recognized the window manager theme |
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| [22:32:22] | iamlindoro_: | Heh. |
| [22:32:34] | Dagmar: | It was an old one with Crux and sawfish |
| [22:33:31] | sphery: | I always liked Crux (not a big fan of sawfish, though) |
| [22:36:10] | stu: | can anyone help me with .irrecord: gap not found, can't continue during irrecord ? |
| [22:37:48] | kormoc: | I'm sure someone could help, donno if they're in the room or not |
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| [22:39:16] | stu: | please type (hash)lirc for me someone |
| [22:39:20] | stu: | I cant hash |
| [22:39:35] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [22:39:39] | kormoc: | (hash)lirc |
| [22:39:52] | stu: | lol with the hash sign instead of (lirc) |
| [22:39:56] | stu: | er (hash) |
| [22:39:56] | clever: | #lirc |
| [22:39:59] | stu: | thanks |
| [22:40:02] | clever: | and you dont need the # |
| [22:40:07] | clever: | most irc clients accept /j lirc |
| [22:40:11] | kormoc: | clever, depends on the irc client |
| [22:40:12] | stu: | ah good |
| [22:40:17] | clever: | which is why i said most |
| [22:40:38] | kormoc: | clever, then don't say "you dont need the #" when you even know that that's not true for everyone |
| [22:40:51] | clever: | mirc and irssi can handle it but treat it differently if your allready in the room |
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| [22:42:04] | sphery: | clever: looking at the screenshots in that link you sent... It's amazing that Comcast can get away with cutting that much quality and still call it HDTV. |
| [22:42:21] | clever: | yeah |
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| [22:42:54] | sphery: | I also wonder if FiOS is actually using full bitrate. I wish they had some direct OTA captures. |
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| [22:44:03] | sphery: | Now I understand why a friend of mine--who has cable (BrightHouse, kind of a Time Warner thing)--thinks there's a huge difference in quality between HDTV and Blu-Ray. |
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| [22:54:36] | Dagmar: | ...because he's getting watered-down HD? |
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| [23:35:16] | sphery: | Dagmar: (much delayed) yeah, watered-down HD |
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| [23:57:50] | Dagmar: | God I hate jugling hardware specs |
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