| Monday, May 26th, 2008, 00:04 UTC | ||
| [00:04:02] | Tanthrix: | jblack: Ah hell! If only you would have alt-tabbed my name right. I just watched the whole landing on the crappy WMV nasa TV stream! |
| [00:05:14] | jblack: | sorry |
| [00:05:21] | Tanthrix: | Er, tab completed. |
| [00:05:33] | Tanthrix: | No worries. They got a landing confirmation signal, so I'm happy. |
| [00:05:55] | kdub: | when do we get pictures |
| [00:06:16] | Tanthrix: | Couple hours at least. Should be tonight though. |
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| [01:20:54] | hadees: | can you use the Hauppauge HD-PVR with mythtv yet? |
| [01:27:05] | Dagmar: | That would require having an HD-PVR |
| [01:27:31] | kdub: | heh |
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| [01:27:45] | kdub: | do you have one? |
| [01:27:59] | kdub: | if you say yes there may be a break in at your house tonigh |
| [01:28:00] | kdub: | t |
| [01:29:24] | WattoDaToydarian: | Hey does anyone know how to slow down the amount of HDD usage mythtranscode uses like how you can tell mythtv to slowly delete files? |
| [01:30:45] | cesman: | whaaaaaaaaaaa? |
| [01:31:09] | kdub: | I do not get it either. |
| [01:31:33] | WattoDaToydarian: | what I asked? |
| [01:31:49] | kdub: | yeah |
| [01:33:19] | WattoDaToydarian: | well I do lossless mpeg2 transcodes just to cut out the cutpoints and when I run it the HDD is consumed almost completly and I can't watch any recordings and I get IOBOUND errors if it's recording. |
| [01:34:53] | WattoDaToydarian: | I just want to slow the progress of mythtranscode so I can still use the system while it is running |
| [01:35:44] | cesman: | ahhh |
| [01:35:46] | cesman: | nice |
| [01:35:54] | cesman: | or renice |
| [01:37:17] | WattoDaToydarian: | nice only changes the CPU priority right? The lossless option doesnt really use any CPU, I just want to reduse the amount of HDD usage like what the slowly delete option is for. |
| [01:37:45] | cesman: | http://knoppmyth.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1 . . . ythtranscode |
| [01:37:51] | cesman: | that may be a good place to start |
| [01:41:06] | JohnMahowald: | Get more disk |
| [01:42:11] | kdub: | i really hate the about linux |
| [01:42:18] | kdub: | saving a damn file takes over your machine |
| [01:43:05] | hads: | ? |
| [01:43:26] | WattoDaToydarian: | yeah, deleting too. So there is no way to slow the amount of disk usage for a given program? |
| [01:44:01] | kdub: | i do not think disk usage is the term you are looking for |
| [01:44:34] | kdub: | linux gives really high priority to dish input/output, and it is slowing down your machine while transcoding |
| [01:44:48] | kdub: | dish=disk |
| [01:45:30] | WattoDaToydarian: | Ah right, that's what I meant. I want to reduse the disk I/O for the transcoder. |
| [01:46:07] | kdub: | i looked into how to do it on my machine at work and i couldnt find anything |
| [01:47:14] | WattoDaToydarian: | Yeah I don't see anything either. I guess it is something that has to be programed into the individual program. |
| [01:47:35] | kdub: | no i think its just the OS |
| [01:48:06] | kdub: | cp a 4 gig file and watch your cursor skip around when you move the mouse |
| [01:48:54] | hads: | Not a problem here, perhaps it's your box. |
| [01:48:55] | WattoDaToydarian: | the cursor skipping usually means for me that DMA isn't enabled. |
| [01:51:31] | kdub: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=552231 |
| [01:54:50] | WattoDaToydarian: | That is an interesting post... |
| [02:01:07] | stiev3_: | For some reason, my mythbuntu panel remains visible at the top of the screen when mythfrontend starts. How would I go about fixing this? |
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| [02:01:37] | kdub: | stiev3_, i got that when i used compiz |
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| [02:01:56] | kdub: | and when i tried to reduce the size of the myth gui |
| [02:12:25] | ** cesman cps multi-gig files and has _no_ problems ** | |
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| [02:22:15] | stiev3_: | Cycling from windowed mode to full screen mode appears to "fix" it but not permanently. |
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| [02:52:28] | Aval0n: | that happens every once in a blue moon to me too |
| [02:52:45] | Aval0n: | I usually just restart the frontend to fix it however. |
| [02:52:52] | Aval0n: | what window manager are you using? |
| [02:53:12] | Aval0n: | most of the devs would tell you to not let gnome load at all |
| [02:53:21] | Aval0n: | and to use something like openbox or similar |
| [02:53:38] | hads: | Or just no window manager |
| [02:54:00] | Aval0n: | well then you have issues if you want to use any external apps, i.e. mplayer, vlc etc... |
| [02:54:12] | Aval0n: | won't carry over mouse focus and such |
| [02:54:24] | Aval0n: | or just focus I mean |
| [02:54:27] | Aval0n: | not mouse focus :) |
| [02:54:40] | hads: | Not much need to use external apps nw that the internal player is so good though. |
| [02:55:01] | Aval0n: | meh |
| [02:55:06] | Aval0n: | it's def getting there.... |
| [02:55:14] | Aval0n: | stil has some issues |
| [02:55:16] | Aval0n: | still* |
| [02:55:32] | hads: | meh. Works fine here. |
| [02:55:42] | Aval0n: | good |
| [02:55:47] | Aval0n: | I use it mostly |
| [02:56:09] | Aval0n: | for people with borderline systems mplayer is a better option for some hd video |
| [02:56:23] | Aval0n: | unless you just wanna use that patch to enable the skiploopfilter |
| [02:56:31] | Aval0n: | but then you HD video looks about as good as your analog stuff |
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| [03:13:28] | stiev3_: | I ended up fixing it, no real idea why what I did fixed it though. The diskless client mythbuntu built for me had a vertical gui offset of 1 pixel... changing that to 0 seemed to fix it. |
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| [06:09:25] | fryfrog: | Anyone see that new Mini-ITX Atom powered board? I wonder how 1.6ghz of "extreme" would do for HD :) |
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| [07:19:48] | ** justinh would not bet his house on an Atom powered board being able to play any kind of HD, be it mpeg2 or h.264 ** | |
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| [07:25:58] | fryfrog: | i don't think i would either, but it *would* be pretty awesome if it did |
| [07:28:15] | justinh: | heheh of course it would be |
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| [07:29:06] | justinh: | would be awesome if the pico-itx platform did what it said on the tin too. imagine a fully HD capable box the size of a packet of cigs. eat that, apple TV |
| [07:29:25] | Aval0n: | hey justin |
| [07:29:28] | Aval0n: | what's up man |
| [07:29:43] | justinh: | pity it's not to be though eh. well, not in my frontend's lifetime at least |
| [07:29:58] | justinh: | recovering from 2 solid days of decorating. last day today |
| [07:30:04] | Aval0n: | ahh |
| [07:30:11] | Aval0n: | Did you just recently move or something? |
| [07:30:14] | justinh: | nope |
| [07:30:23] | justinh: | we hadn't decorated the hall for 5 years |
| [07:30:41] | Aval0n: | ahh |
| [07:30:47] | Aval0n: | that must be one hell of a hall |
| [07:30:53] | Aval0n: | ;) |
| [07:31:05] | Aval0n: | I'm assuming paint and the works eh? |
| [07:31:08] | justinh: | a lot of sanding & cleaning |
| [07:31:14] | Aval0n: | ahh I bet. |
| [07:31:18] | justinh: | and filling |
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| [07:31:27] | Aval0n: | nice |
| [07:32:05] | justinh: | only bits of painting left to do now. relieved |
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| [07:32:10] | Aval0n: | I bet |
| [07:32:27] | justinh: | good exercise though |
| [07:32:38] | Aval0n: | I just recently divided a 12x30 room into rooms |
| [07:32:50] | Aval0n: | for the kids |
| [07:33:21] | Aval0n: | made 2 closets |
| [07:33:22] | justinh: | stud partition eh |
| [07:34:10] | Aval0n: | it's basically like this |---|___| |
| [07:34:17] | Aval0n: | from a top view |
| [07:34:26] | Aval0n: | so each room has a 6x9 closet |
| [07:34:29] | justinh: | it's all been made more fun by having the dog around of course. so far escaped without paint on him |
| [07:34:36] | Aval0n: | hahaha |
| [07:34:49] | clever: | Aval0n: i often see closets paired up like that in the layout of homes |
| [07:35:12] | justinh: | this has been making me think about how I'm gonna do the rewire & rejig the central heating system |
| [07:35:32] | Aval0n: | clever, probably because of how much space it saves |
| [07:35:37] | clever: | yep |
| [07:36:20] | Aval0n: | it was interesting matching up the texture |
| [07:36:22] | justinh: | a lot of space is wasted on the first floor of this house. the layout is ludicrous |
| [07:36:23] | Aval0n: | of the walls |
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| [07:36:32] | Aval0n: | heavy skip trawl |
| [07:36:48] | justinh: | textured walls? eeew |
| [07:36:54] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [07:37:09] | justinh: | grazed limbs ahoy |
| [07:37:17] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [07:37:17] | Aval0n: | no |
| [07:37:22] | Aval0n: | not like that at all |
| [07:37:31] | Aval0n: | heheh |
| [07:37:48] | justinh: | only smooth plaster should ever be allowed to cover bad plastering |
| [07:37:52] | Aval0n: | http://proxy2.ldproxy.com/aval0n/arcade/100_3250.JPG |
| [07:38:05] | Aval0n: | you can see there what type of texture I'm referring to |
| [07:38:32] | Aval0n: | you can also see that my daugher needed to clean her room at that time ;) |
| [07:38:48] | clever: | is that a tv? |
| [07:38:56] | Aval0n: | > |
| [07:38:58] | Aval0n: | ? |
| [07:39:02] | justinh: | that's a feature? sack the plasterer! |
| [07:39:03] | clever: | thats huge:P |
| [07:39:06] | Aval0n: | yeah? |
| [07:39:13] | Aval0n: | huge? |
| [07:39:16] | Aval0n: | that's not huge hehehe |
| [07:39:22] | clever: | looked like a poster when the image was loading:P |
| [07:39:41] | Aval0n: | haha |
| [07:39:42] | clever: | then i saw the xbox and wondered where the tv was... |
| [07:40:04] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [07:40:17] | Aval0n: | I had just got done installing the inwall there |
| [07:40:29] | Aval0n: | it was a pain cleaning up all the white dust everywhere |
| [07:40:37] | justinh: | the ubiquitous shiny TV. You can get them in shiny black, shiny black or this new thing.. a black highly reflective plastic |
| [07:40:47] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [07:40:55] | clever: | http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/couchdesk/IMG_4770.JPG |
| [07:41:01] | clever: | you can see my tv there from a distance |
| [07:41:01] | Aval0n: | actually that's my old TV |
| [07:41:09] | Aval0n: | my new one is much different |
| [07:41:17] | clever: | its tiny, compared to the laptops up close |
| [07:41:23] | Aval0n: | in the fact it's also a plasma in a high-gloss black |
| [07:41:26] | ** justinh imagines a 3" LCD with a huge fresnel lens held on with duct tape ** | |
| [07:41:47] | Aval0n: | hehehe |
| [07:42:38] | justinh: | Aval0n: I'm still not interested in comments about glass-wide |
| [07:43:03] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [07:43:05] | clever: | Aval0n: your sound system looks nice |
| [07:43:07] | Aval0n: | ok..... |
| [07:43:12] | clever: | wallmounted all over the place |
| [07:43:20] | justinh: | still waiting for a better theme to come along.... |
| [07:43:23] | Aval0n: | ahhh thanks but those are down now |
| [07:43:29] | justinh: | might be a long wait! |
| [07:43:48] | clever: | awhile ago i ran speaker wires thru the celing tiles |
| [07:43:52] | clever: | so they would be out of sight |
| [07:44:05] | clever: | but i was still using these beast sized speaker |
| [07:44:06] | clever: | s |
| [07:44:13] | justinh: | Aval0n: let folks ask about it. then they cal hear the good news |
| [07:44:29] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [07:44:52] | Aval0n: | like the |
| [07:44:57] | clever: | Aval0n: http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/speaker-9.jpg |
| [07:44:57] | Aval0n: | omg that's so awesome where can I get it? |
| [07:45:00] | clever: | about that shape/size |
| [07:45:14] | Aval0n: | ahh very cool |
| [07:45:18] | justinh: | Aval0n: well if there are no screenshots they can't go Ooo |
| [07:45:20] | clever: | they are ages old |
| [07:45:25] | Aval0n: | true :) |
| [07:45:30] | Aval0n: | hehe |
| [07:45:36] | clever: | ive got a new 5.1 system upstairs now |
| [07:45:42] | clever: | 6 speakers |
| [07:46:00] | clever: | the bass has knocked several stacks of cd's over in some movies |
| [07:46:05] | Aval0n: | hahah |
| [07:46:09] | Aval0n: | get them on a spindle |
| [07:46:15] | clever: | ive also put paper over the bass |
| [07:46:18] | Aval0n: | I have a 7.1 system |
| [07:46:20] | clever: | and played a deep tone with the pc |
| [07:46:22] | Aval0n: | I took down thos JBLs |
| [07:46:23] | justinh: | lesson to be learned there. TIDY UP YOU SCRUFFY NOWT! |
| [07:46:28] | clever: | realy throws it arround |
| [07:46:42] | Aval0n: | well anyway |
| [07:46:46] | Aval0n: | I better hit the sack |
| [07:46:52] | clever: | my too |
| [07:46:56] | clever: | though im allready in bed:P |
| [07:47:01] | justinh: | I better hit the DIY place for some more paint |
| [07:47:06] | clever: | just need to get to sleep, its 4am |
| [07:47:13] | justinh: | silly wife only bought one tin of each |
| [07:47:14] | Aval0n: | I've gotta spend some time brainstorming about how I'm going to non-shalontly bring up glass-wide to justinh again |
| [07:47:20] | Aval0n: | ;) |
| [07:47:25] | justinh: | Aval0n: tip – DON'T |
| [07:47:28] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [07:47:30] | clever: | shhh he heard you |
| [07:47:42] | Aval0n: | I really wasn't even planning on it this time |
| [07:47:58] | justinh: | I need a homing rm -rf |
| [07:48:00] | Aval0n: | I should have just told you I was using default mythtv skin :P |
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| [07:48:34] | justinh: | I'll start using the gl painter when the fade goes byebyes |
| [07:48:39] | justinh: | not until |
| [07:48:49] | Aval0n: | you don't like the fade transition? |
| [07:48:53] | justinh: | hate it |
| [07:48:56] | Aval0n: | why |
| [07:49:01] | justinh: | not fast enough |
| [07:49:15] | Aval0n: | I guess.. |
| [07:49:19] | Aval0n: | it makes it look more commercial |
| [07:49:23] | Aval0n: | or polished imo |
| [07:49:24] | justinh: | makes it suck |
| [07:49:28] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [07:49:31] | justinh: | seems slower |
| [07:49:35] | Aval0n: | you confuse me |
| [07:50:02] | Aval0n: | you spent a lot of time making some very tasteful themes, including the one that will remain unmentioned... |
| [07:50:05] | justinh: | look at Frontrow & tell me those effects don't seem to slow the UI down |
| [07:50:15] | Aval0n: | but yet you are very anti transition/animation |
| [07:50:23] | clever: | Aval0n: the one i have up in the 1st image i pasted? |
| [07:50:35] | Aval0n: | let me look |
| [07:50:36] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [07:50:51] | justinh: | I'm against effects for the sake of effects. if they impede anything, it's an epic fail |
| [07:51:03] | Aval0n: | think so heheh |
| [07:51:13] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [07:51:19] | Aval0n: | I don't think the fades slow it down |
| [07:51:21] | Aval0n: | at least for me |
| [07:51:26] | Aval0n: | becaue before I'de hit OK |
| [07:51:36] | Aval0n: | wait a second and a half and then the screen would instantly change |
| [07:51:42] | Aval0n: | now it just fades away and fades it |
| [07:51:47] | Aval0n: | still taking a second and a half |
| [07:51:50] | justinh: | even on a fast GL system they could do with being faster – the main problem is it isn't even *timed* |
| [07:51:55] | justinh: | what?! |
| [07:52:05] | justinh: | god even on my epia it was never that laggy |
| [07:52:13] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [07:52:23] | clever: | i dont even use the gl painter, it clashes badly with compiz |
| [07:52:28] | Aval0n: | maybe i'm exaggerating it |
| [07:52:43] | Aval0n: | clever that's ludicrous that you're running compiz |
| [07:52:45] | clever: | the 2 things fight over the gl controls and it comes out as garbage images |
| [07:52:46] | Aval0n: | but on that note.... |
| [07:52:51] | justinh: | the media settings pages can be slower to load but hardly ever go there. most screens are just BING there |
| [07:52:53] | Aval0n: | so am I and opengl causes no problems for me :P |
| [07:52:58] | clever: | lol |
| [07:53:08] | clever: | if i use 2 gl things at once it causes some problems |
| [07:53:20] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [07:53:30] | Aval0n: | I have been fortunate thus far. |
| [07:53:42] | Aval0n: | anywho |
| [07:53:45] | Aval0n: | off to bed I go |
| [07:53:50] | Aval0n: | gnight all |
| [07:53:50] | clever: | http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/myt . . . enshot-9.png |
| [07:53:58] | clever: | i beleive that was compiz and myth gl fighting |
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| [07:54:30] | clever: | http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/myt . . . nshot-11.png and here is more of it |
| [07:54:37] | clever: | mythtv gl controls drawing it when it isnt ontop |
| [07:55:07] | clever: | 10 is also a perfect example of the 2 fighting |
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| [09:01:44] | killaz: | What is the best GPU to use nowadays with mythtv and HDTV? |
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| [09:22:56] | fryfrog: | killaz: pretty much anything nvidia has made since ~ gf4 |
| [09:23:15] | fryfrog: | no need to spend big money either, the CPU will be doing nearly all the work with HD |
| [09:23:34] | fryfrog: | I use a 6200 in my main HD frontend, mainly cause it was like $30 or something brand new |
| [09:23:52] | killaz: | fryfrog: ok. So that means I should invest more in my CPU then GPU |
| [09:24:24] | killaz: | and do you have Intel or AMD (dual core)? |
| [09:25:00] | fryfrog: | I'm using an AMD 4200+ X2 in my frontend with that Nvidia 6200, but if you are going brand new the C2D is the way to go |
| [09:25:14] | fryfrog: | I already had the 939 motherboard and such, so that is why I picked AMD |
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| [09:25:39] | fryfrog: | but you should be okay with any reasonably fast cpu for mpeg2 and h264 type HD |
| [09:26:16] | fryfrog: | My amd64 3200+ was enough to do mpeg2 playback and I *suspect* it might even work for x264 playback? |
| [09:26:18] | killaz: | C2D? |
| [09:27:17] | fryfrog: | core 2 duo |
| [09:27:44] | killaz: | ok |
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| [09:28:36] | killaz: | I like AMD better.. but a friend of mine told me to buy Intel. I'm looking whether there is really a huge difference |
| [09:28:50] | Tanthrix: | fryfrog: Fat chance! (Well, I don't know for sure...but x264 is just a bitch to decode..) |
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| [09:38:53] | fryfrog: | right now, intel is > amd |
| [09:39:39] | Tanthrix: | I'll second that. Even my cheapie E4500 kicks ass. Has handled all 720p x264 that I've thrown at it, and I suspect it'll do 1080p if multithreaded |
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| [09:41:54] | anykey_: | Tanthrix: even 720p with only one slice? |
| [09:42:29] | Tanthrix: | anykey_: My version of mplayer doesn't have multithreaded support, so aye. |
| [09:42:58] | anykey_: | Tanthrix: ah with mplayer... what about mythtv? |
| [09:43:31] | Tanthrix: | Never used the internal player to do x264. I imagine it might not be so rosy, seeing how inefficient it is compared to mplayer. |
| [09:44:42] | killaz: | so I should go for now with <intel |
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| [10:02:33] | fryfrog: | my 4200+ X2 does x264 fine with mplayer and *now* it works fine with myth internal |
| [10:02:48] | fryfrog: | i think it may be *right* on the border of usable, but it works enough for me |
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| [10:29:26] | justinh: | not all 'x264' files are made alike though |
| [10:30:27] | fryfrog: | true |
| [10:30:37] | fryfrog: | i think all i've ever played are 720p items |
| [10:31:54] | clever: | most 264 files need something better then my 1ghz c600 dell laptop |
| [10:32:08] | clever: | but i was surprised yesterday when i got it playing a 264 |
| [10:32:40] | clever: | but that was a relatively low res 264 |
| [10:33:17] | clever: | ugh no wonder, 640x480 264! |
| [10:33:34] | fryfrog: | ahhaha |
| [10:33:43] | clever: | then theres the other extreme |
| [10:34:14] | clever: | the video is too big to fit the screen:P |
| [10:34:14] | clever: | 1280x720 |
| [10:34:25] | clever: | on a 1024–768 screen |
| [10:36:16] | clever: | i should make a matrix showing cpu power&codec/res it can handle |
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| [10:46:07] | killaz: | Intel cpu's are compared to the same variant of AMD more expensive |
| [10:47:05] | killaz: | so if there is not a big difference I will go for AMD for my HTPC |
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| [10:49:15] | Neeesat: | Is there is a way to run Mythbrowser in icewm instead of kde? |
| [10:55:02] | fryfrog: | killaz: what are you comparing? |
| [10:55:14] | fryfrog: | it takes a *lot* more amd cpu to keep up with an intel c2d |
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| [10:56:15] | fryfrog: | price wise, i think the intel / amd cpus are fairly well matched up |
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| [13:15:34] | justinh: | gbj: sudo modprobe cx88-dvb |
| [13:15:44] | justinh: | gbj: you probably have to add that to /etc/modules too |
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| [13:19:43] | sam_: | hi need help setting up mythtv with an external cable box |
| [13:20:06] | sam_: | i've got guide data coming from xmltv since im not in america.. |
| [13:21:49] | dustybin: | sam_: you might need to compile xmltv yourself and select the correct xmltv source |
| [13:22:23] | dustybin: | im not sure if distro packages are configured for all the different types of sources |
| [13:24:03] | sam_: | the i've got a perl script that downloads a XMLTV format script that i can import into the using "mythfilldatabase -F " |
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| [13:25:01] | sam_: | is there anything special i need todo so that mythtv knows that the chanels are coming from an external source and not try change chanels on the analog TV Card? |
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| [13:25:33] | anykey_: | sam_: are you using firewire or s-video? |
| [13:25:37] | dustybin: | i havent a clue, ive only compiled and used a specific source for the uk |
| [13:25:48] | sam_: | im using s-video |
| [13:25:59] | dustybin: | hmm analogue? |
| [13:26:10] | sam_: | yup.. lame i know. |
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| [13:26:39] | dustybin: | sam_: so that means you need to use lirc to change channels on the other box? |
| [13:27:16] | dustybin: | all mythtv can do is record your s-video stream what comes into the box |
| [13:27:29] | dustybin: | ? |
| [13:27:35] | harrisg: | what's the consensus of MythTV users as far as whether to go with Cable or Satellite? |
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| [13:28:01] | dustybin: | harrisg: choose the correct TV card |
| [13:28:02] | sam_: | yes.. that part i think is documented quite well, havent tried it but think it should be ok.. its getting the channel into mythtv.. |
| [13:28:41] | sam_: | how does mythtv work – if i was using the UK grabber for examples.. |
| [13:28:56] | dustybin: | im using a radio times uk grabber |
| [13:28:57] | harrisg: | so they are pretty much equal? |
| [13:28:59] | justinh: | harrisg: depends what you want. if you want a wide choice of channels you have to pay & use a set top box from the provider |
| [13:29:18] | sam_: | with an analog card.. what would mythtv-setup do? would the frequencies be stored in the xmltv data or does the tuner scan for channels? |
| [13:29:26] | justinh: | if you want HD, it's possible to grab HD from a HD box over firewire with *cable* but not satellite |
| [13:29:32] | dustybin: | it grabs the info from a radio times source, mythfilldatabase activates the grabber when its required and fills the database with the channel info |
| [13:29:35] | justinh: | sam_: analogue in the UK? pfff |
| [13:30:03] | justinh: | you're wasting your time with analogue in the UK unless you're just capturing from a STB |
| [13:30:16] | sam_: | its from STB |
| [13:30:44] | sam_: | just wanted to understand the sequence in which i ought to set it up.. |
| [13:30:47] | justinh: | sam_: scanning is obviously futile, so what you need to make sure of is that all your channels have the correct number |
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| [13:31:17] | justinh: | you need to have an external command (external to mythtv) set up to change channels on the STB |
| [13:31:20] | sam_: | got my hauppage card setup, lirc working, (using mythbuntu) so it was easy.. |
| [13:31:44] | justinh: | can you use a channel changer script to make the STB change channels via the IR blaster? |
| [13:32:03] | harrisg: | anybody using MythTV in the Atlanta area? |
| [13:32:27] | sam_: | ok.. let my try when i get home.. i guess i'm making it more complicated than it really is.. |
| [13:32:37] | justinh: | anybody answering meta questions today? |
| [13:33:30] | justinh: | sam_: if the channel changer via IR blaster is no worky, forget about mythtv. mythtv HAS to be able to change channels on the set top box |
| [13:34:33] | sam_: | i've got an USB-UIRT and will use the remote to create a lirc file.. |
| [13:35:33] | justinh: | when you configure the guide data (video source) grabber in mythtv-setup that will ask a bunch of questions about the channels you've got. don't be lazy & say ALL. only tell it the ones you have. you also need to tell it the channel numbers. it's messy but looking on the bright side it only needs done once (in theory). I was working on a wizard but CBA to continue with it since xmltv guys are taking it up anyway |
| [13:36:07] | justinh: | the mythtv wiki has a guide for Sky users.. not sure if there's one for Virgin Media or not |
| [13:36:35] | sam_: | thanks so much justinh will give it a try |
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| [13:43:56] | harrisg: | thanks justinh and dustybin. I'm using Myth now with analog cable, but I'm about to move to the Atlanta area and I'm just trying to decide if I'll be better off Myth-wise if I go with cable or satellite. My current cable setup has been pretty painless but I'd like to go HD when I move. |
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| [13:55:48] | willcooke: | Hi all – can any one give me a copy of their dtv_multiplex table for Astra 28? I'm having problems scanning and can only get about half the transponders even though a dvb "scan" works perfectly. |
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| [14:13:49] | clever: | this is weird |
| [14:13:58] | clever: | my mythfrontend is totaly ignoring keyboard input |
| [14:14:22] | clever: | yet its playing just fine |
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| [14:32:10] | xand: | clever: alt-tab? c.c |
| [14:32:21] | clever: | its also ignoring the network control |
| [14:32:29] | clever: | which goes directly into mythtv |
| [14:32:45] | clever: | once the playback finished it sprung back to life |
| [14:42:49] | wagner: | you mean from withing livetv and recording playback, its uncontrollable? |
| [14:44:14] | xorITor: | is there any reason not to use the newer ati cards these days? |
| [14:44:29] | xorITor: | without the tv out function i mean... just dvi out to the tv |
| [14:44:34] | wagner: | difficulty in getting fglrx working |
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| [14:44:52] | xorITor: | no need for that... mythtv does not require 3d |
| [14:45:06] | wagner: | mythtv requires video acceleration |
| [14:45:07] | xorITor: | and fglrx is pretty simple actually |
| [14:45:14] | wagner: | otherwise your performance goes to shit |
| [14:45:19] | xorITor: | true |
| [14:45:30] | xorITor: | does fglrx have the video accel? |
| [14:45:37] | wagner: | i imagine so |
| [14:45:40] | xorITor: | xv but not xvmc right? |
| [14:45:48] | wagner: | i think so |
| [14:46:00] | wagner: | i remember trying, and failing, to set it up recently |
| [14:46:02] | xorITor: | that should be enough i think |
| [14:46:09] | wagner: | but i dont recall what chip i was trying to do so on |
| [14:46:33] | xorITor: | XVideo is listed even on this cheap card |
| [14:46:34] | wagner: | my laptop is too old to take fglrx, and my old radeon is being borrowed by a friend |
| [14:46:39] | xorITor: | aah |
| [14:47:00] | xorITor: | i have a 3870 or some such that i bought last year |
| [14:47:05] | xorITor: | works like a champ at home |
| [14:47:10] | wagner: | thats not a cheap card |
| [14:47:27] | xorITor: | its not expensive either |
| [14:47:33] | xorITor: | and i am not going for "cheap" |
| [14:47:36] | xorITor: | ;-) |
| [14:47:42] | xorITor: | i want it so my wife will not complain |
| [14:47:44] | xorITor: | ehehe |
| [14:47:52] | wagner: | well i consider cheap to be <$75 |
| [14:47:58] | xorITor: | the card i have here at work is cheap |
| [14:48:04] | xorITor: | ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Radeon X300SE] |
| [14:48:09] | xorITor: | no need for 3d |
| [14:48:17] | xorITor: | does dual head just fine |
| [14:48:30] | xorITor: | but this is just a work computer |
| [14:48:36] | wagner: | heh, weve got some cheap cards and some very expensive cards at work |
| [14:48:46] | xorITor: | same |
| [14:49:01] | xorITor: | but at home i get myself whatever i want |
| [14:49:11] | wagner: | our admin liked buying radeon 7000s for 3d linux workstations before any real drivers came out |
| [14:49:20] | xorITor: | i dont do it too often so that the wife does not kill me |
| [14:49:28] | xorITor: | doh |
| [14:50:10] | xorITor: | i just dont want to buy any more nvidia cards until they open their drivers |
| [14:50:13] | wagner: | so finally we got involved in the purchasing and started getting geforces and quadros |
| [14:50:24] | wagner: | fair enough |
| [14:50:42] | xorITor: | and i have to replace the frontend we have now as its on its last legs |
| [14:50:49] | wagner: | i think the onboard intel stuff gets pretty good support |
| [14:50:55] | xorITor: | and it has to be able to do hd |
| [14:51:12] | xorITor: | you think its good enough to do hd? |
| [14:51:20] | wagner: | grab a G33 and a low end C2D |
| [14:51:35] | xorITor: | g33? |
| [14:51:43] | xorITor: | c2d? |
| [14:52:08] | wagner: | G33 is a motherboard chipset, with integrated graphics |
| [14:52:14] | wagner: | c2d is a core 2 duo |
| [14:52:17] | xorITor: | aah yea |
| [14:52:32] | xorITor: | thats what i was thinking of actually |
| [14:52:41] | wagner: | that, memory, i assume you already have case, PSU, tuners, and hard drive |
| [14:52:44] | xorITor: | saw some of those for pretty cheap |
| [14:52:49] | wagner: | you should be able to build it for <$250 |
| [14:53:00] | xorITor: | i have to get memory for it too |
| [14:53:06] | xorITor: | but i have all the rest |
| [14:53:08] | wagner: | DDR2 is dirt cheap |
| [14:53:13] | xorITor: | yep |
| [14:53:24] | xorITor: | just bought 8gb for my workstation not long ago |
| [14:53:38] | xorITor: | i was astonished at how cheap it was |
| [14:53:46] | wagner: | well the 2GB sticks are a bit pricey still |
| [14:53:53] | clever: | wagner: just that 1 time, the controls where totaly ignoring me during playback |
| [14:54:03] | wagner: | but 1GB can be had for ~$25 |
| [14:54:04] | clever: | once playback ended with the file it worked just fine |
| [14:54:13] | clever: | and continued to work during playback of a new file |
| [14:54:36] | xorITor: | i got 8gb for less than 300... i call that a pretty good deal |
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| [14:56:41] | xorITor: | heck its even cheaper now |
| [14:56:48] | xorITor: | 4gb 128 |
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| [14:58:11] | xorITor: | heck that was not even the cheap stuff |
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| [15:18:36] | xorITor: | 8gb kit ... Price after rebate(s):$184.99 |
| [15:18:40] | xorITor: | ! |
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| [15:27:20] | justinh: | woooo that's all the snagging done |
| [15:27:25] | justinh: | finished! |
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| [16:36:20] | willcooke: | justinh, Hello mate! What's finished?? BTW – guess who's got a new HD TV! |
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| [17:01:10] | PatrickDK: | me? |
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| [17:27:36] | justinh: | willcooke: finished decorating the hallway. big job |
| [17:27:54] | justinh: | and pardon any lack of enthusiasm I have for HD :P |
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| [17:33:07] | justinh: | I wish minimum rental terms were shorter – I could experiment with different displays rather than take a ridiculously expensive risk |
| [17:34:11] | sphery: | and end up with a DLP whose light tunnel melts over time, requiring replacement of the entire light engine (i.e. DLP = light engine + screen) |
| [17:34:28] | sphery: | Good plan, justinh. (Says a guy whose light tunnel melts...) |
| [17:35:11] | solj: | hi, i'm following the instructions here: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html |
| [17:35:17] | justinh: | nice! John Lewis – who I intended to buy from anyway have a 28 day no trouble returns policy. result |
| [17:35:32] | solj: | it seems as though my line device won't capture:-/ |
| [17:35:34] | ** justinh stands back in amazement that somebody is following instructions! ** | |
| [17:35:55] | sphery: | yeah, and following official instructions, too, rather than some random post on some random blog |
| [17:36:10] | justinh: | solj: no audio capture on the soundcard – tricky. is there another input you can use, which HAS a capture feature? |
| [17:36:28] | sphery: | solj: I'm guessing you have a frame grabber type card, right? |
| [17:36:34] | solj: | justinh: that's the thing, there's a capture and a capture1 in alsamixer |
| [17:36:54] | solj: | but neither seems to have any effect |
| [17:37:01] | sphery: | it sounds like you may have an audio capture device built in to the capture card |
| [17:37:12] | sphery: | what card? |
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| [17:38:53] | justinh: | willcooke: so did you get a minging shiny black TV or a minging shiny black TV ? ;) |
| [17:39:21] | solj: | sphery: saa7133/saa7135 |
| [17:39:38] | justinh: | solj: you might be in luck there – I think those type of cards do audio onboard |
| [17:40:20] | sphery: | and might be problems with certain ALSA drivers (or certain versions of ALSA drivers) for them... |
| [17:40:32] | sphery: | Might be as simple as finding the right drivers. |
| [17:41:20] | solj: | i'm using ubuntu with this version of alsa: 1.0.16–0ubuntu4 |
| [17:45:29] | justinh: | lsmod |grep saa |grep alsa |
| [17:45:44] | justinh: | see if the module for the tuner has been loaded or not |
| [17:46:25] | sphery: | Unfortunately, I don't use a card like that, so I don't know any specifics. I just remember some people talking about issues with certain drivers. May have also been something with missing oss-compat modules or ... |
| [17:46:27] | justinh: | one thing which sometimes affects framegrabber tuners is that myth doesn't unmute them which needs a 'v4lctl mute off' or something |
| [17:47:29] | justinh: | however if the line input is unmuted in the playback section temporarily while mythfrontend is running & you hear audio, the problem isn't with myth not unmuting the card |
| [17:48:36] | solj: | justinh: if i plug the audio out from the card into the line in and unmute it, i can hear the sound directly from the card |
| [17:48:54] | solj: | so, it doesn't get recorded |
| [17:50:29] | solj: | http://pastebin.ca/1030179 <== output of the lsmod |
| [17:50:45] | solj: | looks like everything is ok there |
| [17:50:48] | dustybin: | justinh: how is my Nova-T 500 a frame grabber? its digital? |
| [17:51:02] | justinh: | what? |
| [17:51:10] | justinh: | it's not |
| [17:51:18] | dustybin: | how comes? |
| [17:51:28] | justinh: | it's not a framegrabber |
| [17:51:40] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [17:52:03] | dustybin: | i thought frame grabbers were used on the TV cards what grab analogue from the air |
| [17:52:08] | justinh: | as in – you can't use it with mythtv in an *incapacity* based on software encoding |
| [17:52:48] | dustybin: | ok.. |
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| [17:53:08] | lwizard: | hi |
| [17:53:15] | justinh: | oh I know where you're coming from now. bt8x8, cx88 & saa-xxx devices are usually just used as PCI interfaces to the digital receiving blocks |
| [17:53:41] | dustybin: | jeeze this is beyond me |
| [17:53:42] | justinh: | and SAA numbers don't necessarily mean video decoder (i.e. framegrabber) devices |
| [17:53:49] | lwizard: | justinh, those sound like the cards I have |
| [17:54:48] | solj: | justinh: so, might it be worth it to try another sound card? |
| [17:54:59] | ** solj has a pci sound card i can plug in ** | |
| [17:55:06] | dustybin: | o_0 |
| [17:55:13] | ** dustybin runs ** | |
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| [17:57:02] | TalibJayid: | aggggh. so i have to use totem or gmplayer or vlc to play my recorded mpgs to avoid the video skips:( |
| [17:57:10] | justinh: | dustybin: I'm confused as to why you'd ask if your nova-t500 is a framegrabber though |
| [17:57:24] | justinh: | TalibJayid: or get a frontend with some ooomph |
| [17:57:35] | dustybin: | justinh: i thought it might be?! maybe the way it converts digital into video output |
| [17:57:37] | TalibJayid: | justinh: my frontend worked fine before .21:( |
| [17:57:43] | justinh: | dustybin: nah |
| [17:57:52] | justinh: | TalibJayid: try a different video playback profile, then |
| [17:57:54] | TalibJayid: | justinh: this isn't even livetv |
| [17:58:03] | TalibJayid: | justinh: ive tried everything i can think of, it still gets a video pause every 20 seconds or so |
| [17:58:17] | justinh: | using wireless schmireless? |
| [17:58:36] | TalibJayid: | no, frontend and backend are same machine |
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| [17:59:50] | justinh: | dustybin: on PCI based DVB tuner cards, they just use a framegrabber chip to make interfacing the digital receiver stuff to PCI a lot easier. Some cards (like all mine) have the framegrabber chip but no video inputs at all. The ones which do aren't worth playing with since you can't use the analogue & digital parts at the same time anyway |
| [18:00:15] | justinh: | TalibJayid: let's see some 'mythfrontend -v playback' log in a pastebin then |
| [18:00:24] | dustybin: | justinh: aye i didnt know that |
| [18:00:54] | justinh: | TalibJayid: and to have an idea what your hardware is & what kind of video you're trying to play would help too. nowhere near enough info to go on right now |
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| [18:02:03] | TalibJayid: | justinh: intel dual core, nvidia video |
| [18:03:12] | justinh: | TalibJayid: using binary (evil, closed source) drivers? |
| [18:03:28] | TalibJayid: | justinh: yup, but it's been doing this for several versions. i really think it started with my upgrade to .21 |
| [18:03:45] | justinh: | and what kind of video are we talking about? mpeg4 nuv from a framegrabber? mpeg2 from DVB/PVR cards? que?! |
| [18:03:59] | TalibJayid: | im using ivtv for my wintv mce |
| [18:04:12] | justinh: | right so it's mpeg2. cool |
| [18:04:27] | justinh: | output from -v playback log in a pastebin? |
| [18:04:56] | justinh: | for a c2d system to struggle playing back mpeg2 there's something VERY wrong |
| [18:05:06] | justinh: | especially standard def. TV ! |
| [18:05:14] | TalibJayid: | justinh: i know, and it seems not to have a problem in totem, vlc or mplayer. its just myth |
| [18:05:16] | GreyFoxx: | Talib: What deinterlacer ? |
| [18:05:36] | TalibJayid: | GreyFoxx: where do i check on that? |
| [18:05:43] | GreyFoxx: | In your playback profile |
| [18:06:19] | TalibJayid: | i dont see deinterlacer there |
| [18:06:20] | TalibJayid: | let me see |
| [18:06:28] | TalibJayid: | decoder? |
| [18:06:31] | justinh: | I've already suggested playing with different playback profiles |
| [18:06:32] | Aval0n: | you have to go into one of the profiles |
| [18:06:38] | TalibJayid: | justinh: ive tried that |
| [18:06:38] | Aval0n: | and then it's the second screen |
| [18:06:44] | GreyFoxx: | talid: It's on the second page of the profile details |
| [18:06:56] | TalibJayid: | general playback 2/9? |
| [18:07:12] | TalibJayid: | oh i see |
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| [18:07:16] | TalibJayid: | primary is linear blend |
| [18:07:19] | justinh: | how can ANY C2D cpu have issues with SDTV no matter what deinterlacer is used? |
| [18:07:20] | TalibJayid: | fallback is linear blend |
| [18:07:24] | Aval0n: | kernel is your friend :) |
| [18:07:35] | TalibJayid: | justinh: all i know is ive had this problem since upgrading to .21 and it drives me nuts |
| [18:07:48] | TalibJayid: | put both on kernel? |
| [18:07:49] | GreyFoxx: | justin: greedyh2 can cause cpu issues on some content |
| [18:08:03] | Aval0n: | try kernel |
| [18:08:05] | GreyFoxx: | just: for example if I play a DVD with gfreedyh2 I get skips |
| [18:08:05] | Aval0n: | it's what I run with |
| [18:08:08] | TalibJayid: | for both? |
| [18:08:12] | Aval0n: | aye |
| [18:08:22] | Aval0n: | or for primary and none for fallback :) |
| [18:08:26] | justinh: | I'll be happy when those vid profiles screens take a walk into user land |
| [18:08:28] | TalibJayid: | i also have this problem with xvmc |
| [18:08:36] | Aval0n: | why would you even use xvmc |
| [18:08:40] | Aval0n: | with c2d system |
| [18:08:43] | dustybin: | do those de-interlacing profiles affect DVD playback ? |
| [18:08:49] | TalibJayid: | i figured it would be less on the cpu |
| [18:08:49] | Aval0n: | absolutely they do |
| [18:08:50] | GreyFoxx: | dust: yes |
| [18:08:56] | dustybin: | aye i didnt know that |
| [18:08:59] | justinh: | dustybin: they affect everything the Internal player churns out |
| [18:09:03] | TalibJayid: | Aval0n: so i should use c++? |
| [18:09:04] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:09:13] | Aval0n: | I use c++ |
| [18:09:16] | TalibJayid: | cpu++ |
| [18:09:17] | Aval0n: | but you don't have to use that |
| [18:09:21] | GreyFoxx: | dust: I was seeing odd stuttering, and only in DVD playback (ISO and disk) |
| [18:09:23] | TalibJayid: | fmpeg and & xvideo? |
| [18:09:27] | TalibJayid: | ffmpeg |
| [18:09:27] | dustybin: | why doesnt mythvideo use the internal player? |
| [18:09:28] | Aval0n: | yes |
| [18:09:29] | GreyFoxx: | changed the interlacer and the problem went away |
| [18:09:33] | GreyFoxx: | dusty: It does by default now |
| [18:09:37] | Aval0n: | dusty it does |
| [18:09:46] | dustybin: | aye excellent |
| [18:09:47] | GreyFoxx: | your distro might try to be smart and not use it |
| [18:09:51] | Aval0n: | unless you tell it otherwise... |
| [18:10:09] | dustybin: | however, i played back a .avi using mythvideo and lost control of my remote |
| [18:10:17] | Aval0n: | yeah |
| [18:10:18] | dustybin: | i thought maybe it was using mplayer |
| [18:10:21] | Aval0n: | you are using mplayer |
| [18:10:21] | GreyFoxx: | dust: Then your mythvideo is configured to use something else |
| [18:10:22] | Aval0n: | probably |
| [18:10:29] | Aval0n: | just go to the file types |
| [18:10:35] | Aval0n: | and make sure use default player is checekd |
| [18:10:41] | dustybin: | excellent i shall |
| [18:11:08] | Aval0n: | I was switching back and forth betwen mplayer and internal for a while to troubleshoot stuff |
| [18:11:13] | Aval0n: | so I had the mplayer line typed in |
| [18:11:23] | Aval0n: | and just check boxed use default player when I wanted internal |
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| [18:14:06] | dustybin: | im inside the video playback menu, i can see the mplayer lines |
| [18:14:14] | dustybin: | the dvd player commands says: internal |
| [18:14:35] | dustybin: | do i type in Internal for Default Video player and VCD Player commands? |
| [18:14:51] | GreyFoxx: | Internal doesn't support VCD's |
| [18:14:56] | GreyFoxx: | you need and external player for that |
| [18:15:00] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:15:08] | GreyFoxx: | But yes" Internal" for the default video player |
| [18:15:18] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:15:39] | GreyFoxx: | Wonder if there is any good vcd libraries out there for vcd menu navigation like dvdnav |
| [18:15:41] | dustybin: | could i just check the box in file types instead? |
| [18:15:49] | GreyFoxx: | You can do what you choose to do |
| [18:15:55] | justinh: | wonder if there's any point keeping VCD support at all :) |
| [18:16:07] | dustybin: | ok thanks |
| [18:16:13] | GreyFoxx: | Just: If there was a good small libary for the menus and such I' |
| [18:16:17] | GreyFoxx: | 'd use it |
| [18:16:35] | GreyFoxx: | I still have boxes of old transformers and beastwars dvd's imported from Malaysia :) |
| [18:16:45] | GreyFoxx: | err vcd's I mean |
| [18:17:07] | justinh: | VCD2 was mpeg2 IIRC – and had menus. like DVD but lower spec IIRC |
| [18:17:24] | gbee: | lower res |
| [18:17:55] | dustybin: | excellent!! :-) |
| [18:18:18] | dustybin: | elephant dreams is now playing full 16:9 with the internal myth player |
| [18:19:16] | justinh: | even after all this time, ED is still the only 'open source' movie? |
| [18:19:52] | dustybin: | i think there might be others, check google wiki open source movies |
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| [18:20:20] | justinh: | btw the only reason I respect ED is the fact I've tried to use Blender several times & to think they turned ANYTHING out is awesome in itself |
| [18:21:29] | dustybin: | hehe |
| [18:22:06] | TalibJayid: | Aval0n: i think that might have fixed it |
| [18:22:42] | dustybin: | top says i got 2 instants of mythfrontend running, strange |
| [18:23:32] | dustybin: | thats better, nothing like a pkill |
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| [18:25:33] | TalibJayid: | Aval0n: ive been looking for this fix for months:O |
| [18:26:08] | TalibJayid: | woops, nope, it's still happening Aval0n |
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| [18:28:20] | ** justinh wonders if there are any rock stations anywhere who don't play Meatloaf or Queen ** | |
| [18:28:55] | justinh: | I need to sort out our WHA solution before the year's out I think. no more radio |
| [18:30:38] | TalibJayid: | wel, maybe not |
| [18:30:46] | TalibJayid: | Aval0n: do you use extra audio buffering? |
| [18:34:04] | ** willcooke has finished painting the nursery ** | |
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| [18:42:21] | TalibJayid: | Aval0n: it still has a little bit of a problem, but there's nothing output to console |
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| [19:25:15] | nludlam: | hi guys, does anybody here use mythtranscode ? |
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| [19:39:19] | mobrien: | anyone hear anything about the hauppauge HD PVR? |
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| [19:43:01] | genuser: | hello all. |
| [19:43:27] | genuser: | I am trying to determine the driver for my tv card. Can anyone help me in determine the correct driver? |
| [19:43:50] | genuser: | lspci says: 02:0a.0 Multimedia controller: C-Cube Microsystems E4? (rev b1) |
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| [19:53:04] | justinh: | oh dear. not that ISA bus video capture device again |
| [19:53:38] | justinh: | oh wait no it's not that |
| [19:53:57] | justinh: | genuser: no linux drivers for that card exist. no driver for linux is ever likely to exist in the near future |
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| [19:55:57] | justinh: | it's one of those NVTV tuner cards with hardware mpeg2 encoder, made for Windows MCE. bad luck |
| [19:56:48] | genuser: | justinh: sorry was surfing online to find support. |
| [19:57:07] | genuser: | justinh: so basically no drivers for linux? |
| [19:57:15] | justinh: | that's right |
| [19:57:16] | AndyCap: | Heh, found someone who tried to load the ivtv driver for the card. epic fail |
| [19:57:48] | justinh: | rattle C-Cube's cage about it. they'd make a fine cheap tuner card too |
| [19:57:57] | genuser: | well, one more reason to sit around hoping to some day have cooler hardware. |
| [19:58:00] | genuser: | :) |
| [19:58:37] | justinh: | I'd be willing to put money on C-Cube holding out on giving driver developers datasheets though |
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| [19:58:59] | genuser: | alright, I don't really watch tv on the comp but it would have been nice to check out mythtv. |
| [19:59:09] | AndyCap: | Hm, not many PVR-250 on ebya |
| [19:59:28] | genuser: | yeah it's the never ending issue of closed-source and and open-source. and who suffers? |
| [19:59:34] | genuser: | regualr users. :) |
| [20:00:27] | genuser: | justinh: thanks for your help. :) |
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| [20:01:23] | justinh: | a lot of users don't care as long as stuff works |
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| [20:01:36] | genuser: | justinh: thanks again. :) |
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| [20:01:41] | justinh: | like me, for example :) |
| [20:04:17] | justinh: | "The government should go ahead with a system of personal "carbon credits" to meet emissions targets, MPs have said.". great. they want us to walk everywhere, eat stones, drink rainwater & never travel out of our village to meet other tribes. how much is a one way ticket to New Zealand? |
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| [20:11:21] | gbee: | take me with you ... |
| [20:11:29] | Aval0n: | carbon credits is the biggest bunch of bullshit ever |
| [20:11:41] | willcooke: | justinh, a flight to NZ would probably allow you to travel a good few miles in a car |
| [20:12:02] | Aval0n: | global warming is nothing more than a fabricated epidemic, used for politcal power |
| [20:12:10] | justinh: | Aval0n: duh |
| [20:12:14] | willcooke: | ahmen to that |
| [20:12:25] | Aval0n: | yeah but you find that most people jump on that band wagon |
| [20:12:28] | justinh: | personal carbon trading. wtf planet are they on now? |
| [20:12:34] | Aval0n: | especially people here in American justinh |
| [20:12:38] | ** willcooke is freezing cold – global warming my arse ;) ** | |
| [20:12:49] | justinh: | willcooke: do some fscking work then! :P |
| [20:12:50] | Aval0n: | I tell you what man |
| [20:12:53] | Aval0n: | you hear about the latest shit |
| [20:12:56] | willcooke: | how many MPG do you get from a band wagon |
| [20:13:20] | Aval0n: | the democrats over here are passing a law declaring polar bears as an endangered species now, because of GLOBAL warming... |
| [20:13:35] | Aval0n: | so now drilling our own resources for oil isnt' even something we can FIGHT for |
| [20:13:35] | justinh: | could NZ just invade us instead? how much would it take to persuade them? |
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| [20:14:16] | Aval0n: | they know for the average american that oil and $$ = republicans |
| [20:14:30] | Aval0n: | and global warming = oil's kryptonite |
| [20:14:36] | justinh: | imagine that – there's a country who wants to invade us. we find out about their politics & way of life & do nothing to stop the onslaught |
| [20:14:39] | Aval0n: | = weapon against the republicans |
| [20:14:46] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [20:14:57] | Aval0n: | that would be pretty much awesomesauce justinh |
| [20:15:07] | gbee: | I don't think we've anything left that they might possibly want or take in payment, except a large population of people who would welcome them |
| [20:15:15] | justinh: | there's a book/film/tv series in that somewhere |
| [20:15:21] | Aval0n: | hehe |
| [20:15:26] | justinh: | (c) |
| [20:15:31] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [20:15:49] | justinh: | gbee: matters not. I could learn to sheer sheeps |
| [20:15:51] | gbee: | justinh: if you write the book, I'll read it ;) |
| [20:16:10] | Aval0n: | and if you make a mythtv themes related to it, I'll use it :) |
| [20:16:22] | ** Aval0n hides ** | |
| [20:16:29] | justinh: | I've had quite enough colouring in to do lately meladdo |
| [20:16:57] | Aval0n: | you europeans and your colours* |
| [20:17:01] | Aval0n: | ;) |
| [20:17:03] | justinh: | about 60 square metres. damn high ceilings |
| [20:17:42] | Aval0n: | see justinh even makes themes for his hallway |
| [20:17:50] | Aval0n: | until his wifes complains then he'll quit :P |
| [20:18:16] | justinh: | course wifey didn't buy enough paint on friday, and the lighter colour just happened to not be in stock anymore today so we lost the whole morning to that |
| [20:18:21] | Aval0n: | justin, why can't bluehall-wide be purple? |
| [20:18:35] | Aval0n: | justinh: that sucks |
| [20:18:37] | justinh: | I get around that by letting her decide the colours |
| [20:18:40] | Aval0n: | heheh |
| [20:18:54] | justinh: | the other end user doesn't care much what colour it is |
| [20:19:04] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [20:19:26] | Aval0n: | justinh: do you know a good site other than devian art for good hi-res desktop wallpaper? |
| [20:19:30] | justinh: | no rest for the wicked though. we're Rug Doctor'ing next weekend |
| [20:19:34] | justinh: | www.interfacelift.com |
| [20:19:37] | Aval0n: | thanks |
| [20:19:49] | justinh: | I don't like deviantart.com – it's too.. deviant even for me |
| [20:20:03] | Aval0n: | yeah |
| [20:20:04] | Aval0n: | me too |
| [20:20:14] | justinh: | I don't 'do' Manga |
| [20:20:14] | Aval0n: | hense my "other than devian art" comment ;) |
| [20:20:35] | justinh: | some big skill locked up in there just not to my taste |
| [20:20:45] | justinh: | anyhow.. BIAB |
| [20:21:08] | Aval0n: | ok |
| [20:21:21] | gbee: | one of my friends created a few things which were posted on deviant art, my personal fav was called "Insane little bunnies" |
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| [20:24:36] | willcooke: | gtg |
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| [21:17:15] | devicenull: | does a frontend really need to be powerful? The requirements in the documentation seem to be if you run both on the same box |
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| [21:32:25] | cesman: | devicenull: that depends on what it is you want the frontend to do... |
| [21:32:54] | cesman: | devicenull: if you want to watch HD, frontend must be powerful |
| [21:34:35] | devicenull: | hmm |
| [21:34:55] | devicenull: | I guess there's only one way to find out if this old laptop would work |
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| [22:29:40] | Gumby: | does anyone here know where the preview images used by mythweb come from? im trying to figure out why I get images from my pvr150/250 but not my dvb-s cards |
| [22:30:57] | xris: | they come from the backend |
| [22:31:02] | xris: | are both cards on the same host? |
| [22:31:13] | Gumby: | xris: nope. |
| [22:31:19] | xris: | check your firewall settings |
| [22:31:38] | Gumby: | no firewall on either box |
| [22:32:04] | xris: | strange, then |
| [22:32:18] | xris: | mythweb does a call to the XML api on the backend that hosts the files |
| [22:32:19] | xris: | usually. |
| [22:32:23] | Gumby: | boxA is the MBE with two dvb cards. boxB is SBE with two cable cards |
| [22:32:41] | Gumby: | maybe the preview images simply arent being created |
| [22:32:59] | Gumby: | they are stored in the recordings directory correct? |
| [22:33:30] | xris: | yeah |
| [22:33:56] | Gumby: | I'll have a look and see if the are there and if they arent just black |
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| [22:37:31] | Gumby: | yeah, images are there |
| [22:37:37] | Gumby: | and valid |
| [22:40:46] | xris: | then it's probably an issue talking to the backend in question. |
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| [22:46:46] | Gumby: | ls -al /var/www/html/ultimate/mythweb/data/cache/1351_20080526144500.mpg.100x0x64.png |
| [22:46:46] | Gumby: | -rw-r--r-- 1 apache apache 0 May 26 15:40 /var/www/html/ultimate/mythweb/data/cache/1351_20080526144500.mpg.100x0x64.png |
| [22:46:49] | Gumby: | yeah, looks like it |
| [22:47:12] | xris: | wipe out the mythweb cache files |
| [22:47:50] | xris: | make sure you have "url get" (allow_url_fopen) type stuff enabled in your php.ini, too |
| [22:47:58] | xris: | I think there are a couple of different settings |
| [22:48:11] | sphery: | and make sure you have the same timezone set on a) both Myth boxes and b) the MythWeb host |
| [22:48:13] | xris: | though that shouldn't matter if *some* of your pixmaps from other hosts are working |
| [22:48:19] | xris: | sphery: forgot about that one |
| [22:49:38] | sphery: | Yeah, a lot of people are finding it when upgrading their systems to newer distro versions. Funny that few had seen problems with it until just after I wrote #5319. |
| [22:49:58] | sphery: | Unfortunate that I hadn't written #5319 in time for 0.21 release, though. :( |
| [22:50:15] | Gumby: | all are PDT |
| [22:50:23] | sphery: | PDT isn't a timezone... |
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| [22:50:43] | Gumby: | d'oh!. how can I tell the timezone? |
| [22:50:45] | sphery: | need the same rules (though since they all have PDT set, it's likely not the issue) |
| [22:51:52] | xris: | sphery: PDT is sort of a time zone. counts as timezone in ISO time format |
| [22:52:19] | sphery: | OK, not enough timezone info... |
| [22:53:02] | sphery: | Gumby: Try running: wget http://<hostname>:6544/Myth/GetPreviewI . . . p;SecsIn=155 |
| [22:53:47] | sphery: | but fix the hosname (for the backend whose images are missing) and starttime for the starttime for a valid recording (same format as given) |
| [22:54:34] | Gumby: | there is no httpd server running on the server whos images are missing |
| [22:54:48] | sphery: | If mythbackend is running, there is |
| [22:55:05] | Gumby: | ah, ok, you are correct |
| [22:55:13] | sphery: | that's how MythWeb gets its previews from the backend |
| [22:55:33] | Gumby: | I have my mythweb on my webserver, not on my mythboxes |
| [22:55:45] | Gumby: | but there is http running on both boxes. |
| [22:55:59] | Gumby: | well, all 3 boxes |
| [22:56:04] | sphery: | yeah, but your webserver talks to your Myth boxes' mythbackend program using HTTP |
| [22:56:24] | sphery: | Don't need httpd (Apache httpd) or any other web server running on the Myth boxes |
| [22:56:37] | sphery: | (but it doesn't hurt if you want to run it) |
| [22:57:36] | Gumby: | sphery: http://pastebin.ca/1030499 |
| [22:57:37] | xris: | http is a protocol, not just a server/process... mythbackend runs an http server on a couple of different ports for its xml interface, status page, etc. |
| [22:57:42] | sphery: | in other words, there's a built-in webserver in Myth |
| [22:58:37] | sphery: | Gumby: you need to change the starttime... |
| [22:58:44] | xris: | Gumby: put quotes around the URL.. unescaped characters like '&' are getting in the way, too |
| [22:58:50] | sphery: | and that... |
| [22:59:53] | sphery: | the following, but change ChanId and StartTime values: wget 'http://192.168.1.25:6544/Myth/GetPreviewImage . . . ;SecsIn=155' |
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| [23:01:23] | sphery: | Gumby: you can get chanid and starttime from the recording files (which use the format <chanid>_<starttime>.mpg) on the host whose previews are missing |
| [23:02:29] | sphery: | Heh... I just noticed that pastebin.ca finally changed the default expiration to 30 days. Never understood why it used to be 'Never expires'. |
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| [23:05:50] | Gumby: | ok, thats working just fine |
| [23:06:12] | Gumby: | although the filenames are a mess. hehe. but its an image preview thats for sure |
| [23:07:12] | sphery: | Yeah, can fix the filenames with -O 'shortfilename.png' on the wget command line |
| [23:07:42] | Gumby: | ok, so I assume mythweb is supposed to do this but isnt for some reason? |
| [23:08:08] | Gumby: | are these queries logged by mythbackend? |
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| [23:08:59] | sphery: | If that's working, I recommend you delete the MythWeb preview image cache (rm /path/to/mythweb/data/cache/*.png) /and/ delete the thumbnail previews on the host that recorded the shows whose previews are missing (rm /path/to/mythtv/recordings/*.png , but for all directories in all storage groups) |
| [23:09:04] | xris: | Gumby: is mythweb runing on the same host as the backend that works? |
| [23:09:30] | Gumby: | xris: no, its running on a separate machine |
| [23:09:36] | Gumby: | 2008-05–26 16:08:54.397 Preview: Grabbed preview '/recordings/1351_20080526144500.mpg' 704x480@64s |
| [23:09:41] | xris: | odd... |
| [23:09:53] | Gumby: | so I have that... which is the image I just grabbed using wget. |
| [23:09:59] | sphery: | Gumby: also, you might want to test run that preview request from the actual MythWeb host (i.e. ssh in and run it) to make sure it's not a firewall thing |
| [23:10:07] | Gumby: | but the image in mythweb is just black |
| [23:10:40] | Gumby: | so mythweb is requesting it, mythbackend is seeing and processing the request, but mythweb isnt displaying the image. |
| [23:10:45] | Gumby: | sphery: doing that now |
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| [23:11:18] | sphery: | Gumby: when you have it re-create all the images, check the log to see if it shows a bunch of failed requests... |
| [23:11:40] | sphery: | If so, we're back to a timezone issue--likely your system doesn't have the PHP timezone properly configured and you need to specify it in /etc/php.ini |
| [23:11:44] | Gumby: | command runs no problem on the http server |
| [23:12:47] | sphery: | are both your mythtv backends running the same distro? |
| [23:14:01] | Gumby: | yes, both are running ubuntu hardy |
| [23:14:22] | Gumby: | what option am I looking for in php.ini? |
| [23:14:33] | sphery: | do you know what zoneinfo DB ID is used for timezone configuration (i.e. 'America/Los_Angeles' or something)? |
| [23:15:19] | sphery: | can figure out what /should/ be set by running tzselect |
| [23:15:41] | Gumby: | should be America/Vancouver I think |
| [23:16:04] | xris: | Gumby: you in canada? |
| [23:16:07] | sphery: | date.timezone = America/Vancouver |
| [23:16:11] | sphery: | in /etc/php.ini |
| [23:16:17] | Gumby: | xris: yes |
| [23:16:44] | xris: | ok, just checking.. I used to use vancouver for years because it's closer to seattle than LA is... got bit by DST one time. |
| [23:17:32] | Gumby: | date.timezone wasnt configured in either php.ini. Both now set to America/Vancouver |
| [23:17:42] | Gumby: | do I need to restart anything? |
| [23:18:10] | xris: | restart apache |
| [23:19:25] | Gumby: | also, I have php-4.3.9 on the webserver (which right now has no date.timezone in php.ini) and the BE are both php-5.2.4 |
| [23:19:45] | sphery: | yeah, according to the zoneinfo definition of a timezone, a timezone is any area whose local clocks have agreed since Jan 1, 1970 (that's what I meant by 'PDT isn't a timezone') |
| [23:20:04] | xris: | Gumby: using .21 or svn? |
| [23:20:25] | xris: | sphery: makes sense. |
| [23:20:30] | sphery: | Gumby: usually PHP doesn't specify a timezone and tries to pick it up from the system configuration (but sometimes fails) |
| [23:20:31] | xris: | er, svn trunk |
| [23:21:03] | Gumby: | .21 (I think) |
| [23:21:19] | Gumby: | I rebuilt packages awhile ago but cant remember what I used |
| [23:22:37] | Gumby: | ubuntu mythtv source. |
| [23:22:45] | Gumby: | mythtv 0.21.0+fixes16838–0ubuntu3 |
| [23:23:06] | sphery: | xris: I think kormoc has a function that prevents MythWeb execution if the user isn't using 5.1+ |
| [23:23:07] | Gumby: | allthough, thats the newer version. the one I used was a bit olde |
| [23:23:08] | Gumby: | r |
| [23:23:22] | sphery: | (in SVN trunk) |
| [23:24:00] | xris: | sphery: yeah, trunk won't run without the proper php version |
| [23:24:04] | xris: | forgot about that |
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| [23:26:16] | sphery: | Gumby: any luck after a restart (may have to re-delete the mythweb preview cache in mythweb/data/cache/*.png) |
| [23:26:40] | Gumby: | ok, so I removed all png files from mythweb cache. I refresh mythweb and still no go |
| [23:27:16] | Gumby: | 192.168.1.22 – - [26/May/2008:16:25:44 -0700] "GET /mythweb/data/cache/1371_20080208041500.mpg.100x0x64.png HTTP/1.1" 200 – "http://ultimate.kicks-ass.net/mythweb/tv/recorded" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9b5) Gecko/2008050509 Firefox/3.0b5" |
| [23:27:28] | xris: | only other thing I can think of next would be to edit the mythweb function that's requesting the files, and have it print out the URL itself.. |
| [23:27:33] | Gumby: | ok, I think I see an issue... |
| [23:27:46] | xris: | maybe it's a hostname issue or something. |
| [23:27:48] | Gumby: | oh wait, nevermind |
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| [23:29:10] | sphery: | wow, he must have heard me mention his name (even though he wasn't in the channel...) |
| [23:29:10] | Gumby: | ah.... I think you might be onto something xris |
| [23:29:28] | Gumby: | 192.168.1.25 dvb <----- /etc/hosts |
| [23:29:34] | Gumby: | box is now named DVR |
| [23:29:47] | xris: | kormoc: you get rained on? |
| [23:30:06] | kormoc: | xris, not overly bad, but uhh... i only showed up Saturday and left Sunday :P |
| [23:30:12] | Gumby: | BINGO!!!! |
| [23:30:15] | xris: | ahh |
| [23:30:15] | Gumby: | we have a weener |
| [23:30:17] | xris: | Gumby: :) |
| [23:30:26] | sphery: | Gumby: that could be a problem. :) Glad it's working. |
| [23:30:29] | Gumby: | thanks guys. I appreciate it a bunch |
| [23:30:45] | kormoc: | xris, Had a date Friday and Sunday :) |
| [23:30:47] | sphery: | you can probably remove the timezone stuff from the PHP ini, now, if you want. |
| [23:30:54] | kormoc: | so it was rush rush rush to try to get it all in |
| [23:31:01] | Gumby: | sphery: I might do that since I had no issues before :) |
| [23:31:24] | sphery: | yeah, if it picks up the TZ correctly, no sense "overriding" it (in case you ever move or whatever) |
| [23:31:40] | sphery: | but, if after removing it, it fails to work, you know how to put it back. :) |
| [23:32:12] | Gumby: | :) All still works without it |
| [23:33:08] | squish103: | does mythtv skip rerun's? I have one recording set up to record everything, but it looks like it picks up reruns too. what do i need to do to stop it? |
| [23:33:35] | kormoc: | squish103, tell it to only record new episodes in the recording schedule? |
| [23:34:03] | sphery: | squish103: What's your definition of a rerun? Something you've seen or something that anyone in the world has seen? |
| [23:34:36] | squish103: | kormoc, ok i found that under "filter" |
| [23:35:12] | squish103: | sphery, typically if it has the word "rerun" in the description, i guess it is old and i dont want to record it |
| [23:36:00] | squish103: | now i need to do all that on all my recordings. tx |
| [23:37:23] | sphery: | In my world, a rerun is new to me if I haven't seen it. :) I just tell Myth that I've seen episodes that I watched before I had a Myth box. |
| [23:38:22] | squish103: | isnt that painful? i have hard enough time trying to work out what is new |
| [23:38:50] | squish103: | pitty is was not more like torrents... <show> S2E8 |
| [23:38:51] | kormoc: | If I haven't seen it, it's new to me :) |
| [23:39:19] | sphery: | yep, and why waste time watching only the tail end of a series? |
| [23:39:50] | squish103: | well if it is a rerun, then i have probably watched it, but dont recognise the description |
| [23:40:18] | sphery: | squish103: wasn't hard at all--when I set it to record every episode of the Simpsons, I just went through the upcoming list every 2 weeks and Never Record'ed all the episodes I had already seen. |
| [23:40:34] | kormoc: | If from the desc I don't remember it, I record it and watch it, and if I did watch it, I'll just delete it right away, or else just wash it |
| [23:40:45] | squish103: | how did u know u had seen it already sphery ? |
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| [23:40:48] | sphery: | Some I didn't notice (or the listings info changed) and Myth recorded them and I just deleted them. |
| [23:41:13] | sphery: | squish103: listings provide a description which is usually quite good for that |
| [23:41:54] | sphery: | worst case scenario, you just let it record everything, start watching a show, realize you've seen it, and delete it |
| [23:42:11] | sphery: | soon, Myth knows every episode you've seen (and will be able to identify every episode you haven't) |
| [23:42:19] | squish103: | my wife hates that, and tells me to fix the stupid thing ;) |
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| [23:43:45] | sphery: | heh... "Microsoft" got another Viagra e-mail through to mythtv-dev list... ;) (Really, the copyright notice says it's from them...) |
| [23:45:09] | squish102: | btw how acurate is the "rerun" in the description in the US? |
| [23:45:42] | squish102: | because i would be in more trouble if i switched on "New Episodes Only" and missed an eps |
| [23:45:59] | sphery: | in the US it's pretty accurate |
| [23:46:22] | sphery: | But, sometimes the network says it will air a rerun and then airs a new episode |
| [23:47:33] | sphery: | However, even if you don't have "New episodes only" enabled, if the episode that's listed as airing is one you've already seen, Myth won't record it. |
| [23:47:56] | sphery: | So, it shouldn't cause you any more grief than not using it |
| [23:48:29] | squish102: | true |
| [23:48:39] | squish102: | i'll use that as an excuse |
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