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| [00:02:34] | clever: | MrGandalf: a rotor? |
| [00:03:02] | MrGandalf: | clever: yes, a rotor :) |
| [00:03:11] | clever: | explain:P |
| [00:03:38] | clever: | does the dish spin or something? |
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| [00:05:11] | MrGandalf: | clever: yes, a rotor is a motor |
| [00:05:25] | clever: | why have the dish moving? |
| [00:06:14] | GreyFoxx: | MrG: What rotor(s) did you say you used? I'm about to put the dish up on the new house and am curious what others are using |
| [00:06:39] | MrGandalf: | I'm using a STaB.. works well |
| [00:06:52] | MrGandalf: | clever: so you can tune multiple orbital locations. |
| [00:06:59] | clever: | ahhh |
| [00:07:09] | clever: | and when you let myth record, it may not aim right on its own |
| [00:07:16] | clever: | enless you hack it up some |
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| [00:08:17] | MrGandalf: | clever: no, it aims correctly everytime.. I just don't want it recording for other reasons (big dish == wind problems) |
| [00:08:26] | clever: | ahh |
| [00:08:41] | clever: | you want to force myth to use it as a last resort when all other dishes are in use |
| [00:09:06] | clever: | something ive thought of for smaller dishes |
| [00:09:15] | clever: | cut a hole in the roof to point the dish thru |
| [00:09:17] | MrGandalf: | clever: yes :) |
| [00:09:27] | clever: | and cover it with a water proof sheet that doesnt block the signal |
| [00:09:40] | clever: | now its out of sight and protected from the wing |
| [00:09:41] | clever: | wind |
| [00:10:07] | clever: | http://earth.rice.edu/mtpe/atmo/atmosphere/ho . . . dar_dome.jpg is the same thing on a giant spining dish |
| [00:10:12] | clever: | basicaly |
| [00:10:30] | clever: | if you had the parts you could probly make the same thing over your dish |
| [00:13:19] | MrGandalf: | my lnb arm bounces due to a heavy lnb.. just need some straps and time :) |
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| [00:39:30] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro_: i dunno if you're watching... i just took a quick look at my recording and it's a caption episode on right now |
| [00:40:16] | iamlindoro_: | Hey, actually just woke up, having a hard time adjusting to the time zone |
| [00:40:33] | mkrufky: | you travelling? |
| [00:40:40] | iamlindoro_: | Yep, I'm in Scotland |
| [00:40:43] | mkrufky: | cool |
| [00:40:56] | iamlindoro_: | and of course still in #mythtv-users :) |
| [00:41:03] | mkrufky: | im still here in ATSCland |
| [00:41:16] | iamlindoro_: | Now's an ideal time to break into my condo back home and steal my shit |
| [00:41:29] | mkrufky: | niiice |
| [00:41:40] | iamlindoro_: | Anyway, so about LOST |
| [00:41:55] | mkrufky: | yeah, i'll probably end up watching these tonight |
| [00:42:09] | iamlindoro_: | Anything worthwhile in the captions? |
| [00:42:11] | mkrufky: | the "something nice back home" and "cabin fever" are on tonight, + captions |
| [00:42:24] | mkrufky: | im not watching right now, will watch in the den on the big screen when i do |
| [00:42:32] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, ok |
| [00:42:49] | iamlindoro_: | I can't recall if my MythBox is recording those right now |
| [00:42:58] | GreyFoxx: | tonight is the 2 hour finale isn't it ? |
| [00:43:11] | mkrufky: | and next week, id guess 7–8 is "there's no place like home" part I with captions |
| [00:43:19] | mkrufky: | followed by parts 2 and 3 without captions |
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| [00:43:28] | mkrufky: | no GreyFoxx, that is next week |
| [00:43:31] | mkrufky: | on thursday |
| [00:43:42] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [00:43:49] | mkrufky: | tonight is the 5th and 4th to last episodes |
| [00:44:11] | mkrufky: | next week they will show the final 3 , even tho they already showed the 3rd to last , last thursday |
| [00:44:19] | mkrufky: | (tonight is basically repeats, but with captions) |
| [00:44:24] | ** mkrufky obsessed ** | |
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| [00:45:30] | iamlindoro_: | Yay for SSH tunneling |
| [00:45:36] | mkrufky: | yay! |
| [00:45:48] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, appears I'll hae those waiting when I get back |
| [00:45:59] | mkrufky: | i always use mythweb over ssh |
| [00:46:04] | mkrufky: | nice |
| [00:46:18] | iamlindoro_: | There seems to be one or two things worth finding out in each caption episode and a lot of fluff |
| [00:46:25] | mkrufky: | mostly fluff |
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| [00:46:37] | mkrufky: | to be honest, the captions really are not worth watching |
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| [00:46:48] | mkrufky: | but, i cant possibly pass up a chance to see new content |
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| [00:47:07] | iamlindoro_: | Worth it just to make sure firewire doesn't go sideways and give me a bunch of B length recordings |
| [00:47:13] | iamlindoro_: | All seems well so far, though |
| [00:47:13] | mkrufky: | oof |
| [00:47:30] | iamlindoro_: | Will be eliminating that problem shortly, though :) |
| [00:47:38] | mkrufky: | :-D |
| [00:47:46] | mkrufky: | i think that will be _very_ shortly |
| [00:47:50] | mkrufky: | i hope so, at least |
| [00:47:52] | iamlindoro_: | Yay! |
| [00:48:11] | iamlindoro_: | Dunno if you were in here earlier for the discussion re: can't capture 5.1 w/ it |
| [00:48:19] | mkrufky: | hmm |
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| [00:48:36] | mkrufky: | i wasnt here |
| [00:48:58] | mkrufky: | who reported such issue? i havent heard that, but i would certainly inquire tomorrow about it |
| [00:49:26] | iamlindoro_: | It was pretty third-hand, ie forum post of a guy getting an e-mail from tech support |
| [00:49:32] | mkrufky: | ah |
| [00:49:48] | iamlindoro_: | But seems/seemed to be born out by the ambarella chip specs |
| [00:49:55] | mkrufky: | something like that might be variable |
| [00:49:56] | iamlindoro_: | which only mention 2 channel support |
| [00:50:01] | mkrufky: | oooh |
| [00:50:08] | mkrufky: | hmm, i think i know what you're talking about |
| [00:50:14] | mkrufky: | but i dont think that applies to this device |
| [00:50:25] | mkrufky: | we're not using the same chip that is found inside the geffen device |
| [00:50:32] | mkrufky: | and everybody thinks we're using the same chip |
| [00:50:40] | mkrufky: | but they just didnt look close enough ;-) |
| [00:50:44] | ** iamlindoro_ shrugs ** | |
| [00:51:00] | iamlindoro_: | Figured if you had done any extensive testing on it you could put it to rest for sure |
| [00:51:00] | mkrufky: | anyway, i'll ask about it tomorrow to find out for sure |
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| [00:51:15] | iamlindoro_: | would be good info, but not world-ending either way I suppose |
| [00:51:37] | mkrufky: | the testing that i have done, personally, were not in that particular area of functionality |
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| [00:51:47] | iamlindoro_: | Fair enough, no pressure |
| [00:51:50] | mkrufky: | but i know who i need to ask to find that out for sure |
| [00:51:57] | mkrufky: | i'll get back to u |
| [00:52:04] | iamlindoro_: | Cool, that would be appreciated |
| [00:52:15] | iamlindoro_: | my internet access may be spotty at best this week |
| [00:52:21] | iamlindoro_: | but I'm sure I'll catch you eventually |
| [00:52:25] | mkrufky: | i wouldnt trust the tech support response to be 100% authoritative, unfortunately :-/ |
| [00:52:31] | iamlindoro_: | haha |
| [00:52:42] | iamlindoro_: | I take all thingd with a grain of salt when they come third hand |
| [00:52:47] | mkrufky: | yeah |
| [00:53:04] | iamlindoro_: | CONFIRMED: Hauppauge tech support determines me to be extraordinarily well endowed and handsome. |
| [00:53:23] | mkrufky: | heh, i dont think there are any women in that department |
| [00:53:27] | mkrufky: | lucky you :-) |
| [00:53:31] | iamlindoro_: | Nummy |
| [00:54:24] | mkrufky: | ok, i just finished creating my knoppix-on-usb .... time to reboot and test it |
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| [00:54:29] | mkrufky: | brb |
| [00:55:19] | mkrufky: | scratch that, something went wrong |
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| [00:57:59] | iamlindoro_: | Oooh, the new Silent Hill game looks... kinda good! |
| [00:58:15] | jpabq: | mkrufky: I emailed tech support about dolby digital 5.1 support, and was told only DD2.0 was *initially* supported. I then asked what the device would do if you fed it DD5.1 on it's digital audio input. The response I got back was "You would need to set the source to PCM instead of AC3, otherwise the audio will not work properly with the SPDIF input. This will be supported in a future release." |
| [00:58:47] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: That Penny Arcade game is slick |
| [00:59:05] | mkrufky: | yeah, thats a LOT different than "no" |
| [00:59:20] | jpabq: | The email was from Bill V. |
| [00:59:37] | mkrufky: | hmm, but does that mean a future driver release or future product release? |
| [00:59:51] | iamlindoro_: | mkrufky: You're supposed to tell *us* that! |
| [00:59:52] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [00:59:53] | jpabq: | hardware, firmware or software? |
| [00:59:54] | mkrufky: | heh |
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| [01:00:11] | mkrufky: | i only know what i need to know about it :-/ |
| [01:00:22] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: I've never read any of the PA stuff, but the game did look kinda fun |
| [01:00:46] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro_: It's exactly the type of game Mike and Jerry would call fun |
| [01:00:58] | Dagmar: | ...and the artwork is pretty awesome |
| [01:01:03] | mkrufky: | jpabq: i *think* the update is a firmware/driver update, but im not entirely sure |
| [01:01:49] | jpabq: | LInux? |
| [01:02:05] | mkrufky: | word? |
| [01:02:09] | ** mkrufky said word ** | |
| [01:02:19] | iamlindoro_: | I can live with it either way, If it can do 5.1 via PCM out of the box then it's much ado about nothing. |
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| [01:04:59] | iamlindoro_: | Google says my STB can do PCM out, so pfffft, no big deal |
| [01:05:07] | iamlindoro_: | 5.1 it is, huzzah |
| [01:05:22] | iamlindoro_: | assuming we all interpret the mouse poops correctly |
| [01:05:23] | mkrufky: | grrr, i want it already |
| [01:05:31] | mkrufky: | i should have one here right now, and i dont |
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| [01:05:37] | iamlindoro_: | Yes you should |
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| [01:06:35] | mkrufky: | ok, rebooting |
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| [01:10:13] | mkrufky: | meh, didnt work... getting the "L 99 99 " MBR problem |
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| [01:10:19] | mkrufky: | i think this stick might be bad |
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| [01:16:35] | iamlindoro_: | Jeez, no Galactica this week makes Friday seem awfully barren |
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| [01:16:58] | ** mkrufky agrees ** | |
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| [01:17:18] | iamlindoro_: | Any krufky-esque predictions on the 12th? |
| [01:17:25] | mkrufky: | hmmmmm |
| [01:17:55] | jroysdon: | Anyone else having problems with SHIFT and/or CTRL getting "stuck on" ? Once this occurs, I cannot press CAPS LOCK and have it change the status. All sorts of apps crash if I try to use CTRL at this point. It may be tied to my usage of VMWare Console, but is an xorg/gnome bug. |
| [01:18:04] | jroysdon: | doh, wrong channel |
| [01:18:07] | mkrufky: | ive heard various opinions, but havent any real suspicions yet, myself.... although its clear that the show is telling us it's kara right now — which doesnt necessarily mean anything |
| [01:18:25] | mkrufky: | ...could be a trick |
| [01:18:29] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah-- RDM seems to have shot that one down but it could just be misinformation |
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| [01:18:35] | mkrufky: | RDM ? |
| [01:18:44] | iamlindoro_: | Ronald Moore, the Show runner |
| [01:18:47] | mkrufky: | ah |
| [01:19:08] | mkrufky: | eh, i wouldnt trust we could hear about stuff like that |
| [01:19:14] | mkrufky: | but she makes perfect sense, right now |
| [01:19:30] | iamlindoro_: | Sure, but sounds *way* too convenient |
| [01:19:38] | mkrufky: | and baltar is too obvious. i dont think they could have it be him with any element of suspense or surprise |
| [01:19:51] | iamlindoro_: | I think Gaeta, personally, but we'll see |
| [01:20:09] | mkrufky: | cuz he sang? |
| [01:20:16] | mkrufky: | is that was whats his name meant? |
| [01:20:41] | iamlindoro_: | I dunno |
| [01:20:47] | mkrufky: | y do u think gaeta? |
| [01:21:41] | iamlindoro_: | Just a "feeling," no real hard facts. He is one of the few who had a good reason not to join the others when they heard music (ie he was on duty on the bridge) |
| [01:22:20] | mkrufky: | hmm |
| [01:22:22] | iamlindoro_: | Others think it might be Dualla, who is also a good choice |
| [01:22:33] | mkrufky: | i suspected her from the begining |
| [01:22:41] | mkrufky: | but lately havent thought of it |
| [01:22:44] | iamlindoro_: | but those suspicions are based on the cylons being inherently evil, which I don't think they are |
| [01:23:09] | iamlindoro_: | I think it's pretty clear at this point that they're as "human" as the next guy |
| [01:23:11] | mkrufky: | i dont think so either |
| [01:23:14] | mkrufky: | exactly |
| [01:23:45] | mkrufky: | they only killed most of the humans because they thought the humans would have done so to the cylons if they could have.... so the cylons decided to one-up the humans |
| [01:23:47] | iamlindoro_: | The only "happy" way to end the show is with some sort of revelation that results in a total reconciliation between the two-- we'll see I guess |
| [01:24:01] | mkrufky: | i think that will happen |
| [01:24:04] | iamlindoro_: | Me too |
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| [01:24:18] | iamlindoro_: | They're obviously genetically compatible |
| [01:24:21] | mkrufky: | but i think the final cylon will not be revealed to the rest of the people / cylons |
| [01:24:25] | iamlindoro_: | 72 sixes for every man, it's muslim heaven! |
| [01:24:54] | mkrufky: | i think that the final cylon will remain as insurance for interbreeding, and only the audience will know |
| [01:24:58] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [01:25:41] | iamlindoro_: | Another possibility I thought of is the 12th being a character that has already been killed |
| [01:25:54] | mkrufky: | could be |
| [01:26:20] | iamlindoro_: | Which would explain the "I'm so sorry" from Deanna |
| [01:26:29] | mkrufky: | aaaaaah |
| [01:26:35] | mkrufky: | i forgot about that! |
| [01:26:59] | mkrufky: | about duella — if she is a cylon, her "tell" is when she made out with the president's sidekick in the miniseries out of the blue |
| [01:27:20] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah |
| [01:27:20] | mkrufky: | cylons seem 100,000 % hornier than humans |
| [01:27:23] | iamlindoro_: | haha |
| [01:27:25] | iamlindoro_: | god bless 'em |
| [01:27:28] | mkrufky: | lol |
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| [01:28:06] | iamlindoro_: | The 5 have abviously lived among humans for a *long* time, so you would think she would have gotten that out of her system |
| [01:28:25] | mkrufky: | i believe that their lowest-level programming has mostly to do with the "will to live" / "self-preservation" / "continuation of the species" |
| [01:28:44] | mkrufky: | and those that realize that in order for life to be meaningful, it has to end |
| [01:28:45] | mkrufky: | ... |
| [01:29:02] | mkrufky: | those will realize that interbreeding and reproduction is key to survival |
| [01:29:10] | mkrufky: | and THAT is why they are 100,000% |
| [01:29:53] | iamlindoro_: | I don't quite get the timeline on some of the final 5 |
| [01:30:00] | mkrufky: | not out of her system cuz she's only done it with those programmed to behave a certain way, not those that have their own intricacies |
| [01:30:12] | mkrufky: | i agree --- xo seems wierd |
| [01:30:20] | iamlindoro_: | Tigh has obviously been w/ the humans for a *long* time, at least 30 years... but some of the 5 are younger than 30, it appears |
| [01:30:35] | mkrufky: | true |
| [01:30:45] | mkrufky: | hmm |
| [01:31:38] | iamlindoro_: | Actually, I think the original war is supposed to be *40* before the current series |
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| [01:31:51] | iamlindoro_: | So at least that long, and Tory/Anders are not 40 |
| [01:32:19] | mkrufky: | hmm |
| [01:32:25] | kbidd: | I have a recording in progress, and it is scheduled from 9–10... i want to extend this to about 10:15 to make sure the end of the show doesnt get cut off... how do I change the end time of a currently recording show? |
| [01:32:35] | mkrufky: | im confused about that now |
| [01:32:43] | mkrufky: | those 5 supposedly came from the home of the 13th |
| [01:32:56] | mkrufky: | kbidd: use mythweb |
| [01:32:58] | jroysdon: | kbidd, I don't know about extending it, just schedule another recording for 10 to 10:15 |
| [01:33:18] | mkrufky: | in mythweb, you can add trailing minutes |
| [01:33:42] | mkrufky: | then check the status page to ensure that the extension took |
| [01:33:52] | mkrufky: | if it didnt take, then do what jroysdon said |
| [01:34:30] | kbidd: | mkrufky, thanks, thats good to know for future reference... unfortiantly i dont have mythweb installed... i was reading in the release notes of an older version that it now supported extending in-progress recordings... couldn't find where it actualy said how though:P... I guess i'll just do what jroysdon suggested. |
| [01:34:45] | mkrufky: | i think you can do it thru MANAGE RECORDINGS |
| [01:34:54] | mkrufky: | i just use mythweb, thats why i recommended it |
| [01:35:12] | mkrufky: | actually.... i think this would work: |
| [01:35:21] | mkrufky: | go to the recording item in mythfrontend |
| [01:35:47] | mkrufky: | you should be able to edit the recording settings from the menus |
| [01:36:02] | mkrufky: | and add the trailing time that way |
| [01:36:24] | jroysdon is now known as jroysdon_dinner | |
| [01:37:04] | mkrufky: | ok, got it |
| [01:37:06] | kbidd: | im new to mythtv, so im still getting used to the menus... let me look |
| [01:37:13] | mkrufky: | on the show, right button |
| [01:37:30] | mkrufky: | recording options |
| [01:37:40] | mkrufky: | edit recording schedule |
| [01:37:49] | mkrufky: | scheduling options |
| [01:38:01] | mkrufky: | end recording X minutes late |
| [01:38:04] | mkrufky: | voila! |
| [01:38:13] | kbidd: | Awesome |
| [01:38:19] | mkrufky: | thats for mythtv 021 |
| [01:38:46] | kbidd: | they should make the menu more obvious that you use "right" to select more options... I was pressing "return" on the item, and it just opened the recording |
| [01:38:53] | kbidd: | that worked though... thanks! |
| [01:39:06] | mkrufky: | you're welcome :-) |
| [01:39:16] | mkrufky: | ok... im gonna go watch LOST |
| [01:39:22] | mkrufky: | ( +captions) |
| [01:39:35] | mkrufky is now known as mkrufky-away | |
| [01:39:41] | kbidd: | LOST is a great show btw! |
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| [01:42:36] | esotericisms: | anyone know why or how to get nuvexport to export mp4 properly for ipods? I have tried the mp4 option for ipod but itunes keeps saying that that file can't be played on this |
| [01:43:49] | dustybin: | AAC = MP4 |
| [01:44:03] | dustybin: | try puting a .aac on the end |
| [01:44:25] | esotericisms: | instead of mp4? |
| [01:44:29] | dustybin: | yep |
| [01:44:42] | esotericisms: | I convert movies with nero with mp4 extension and never have a problem :/ ... but I will try :) |
| [01:44:51] | dustybin: | ok |
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| [01:47:01] | esotericisms: | dustybin: made no difference |
| [01:48:31] | iamlindoro_: | If you're using Ubuntu and it's ffmpeg, there's a large possibility its brokenness could be coming into play here |
| [01:48:55] | iamlindoro_: | s/it's/its/ |
| [01:49:01] | dustybin: | esotericisms: if your using high bitrates, export as a mp3 256kbps variable bitrate |
| [01:49:39] | dustybin: | its been proven that there is no audio difference in quality with AAC at the same bitrate |
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| [01:50:36] | dustybin: | esotericisms: the word is, transparent |
| [01:50:51] | dustybin: | between the uncompressed original and the compressed version |
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| [01:52:12] | esotericisms: | dustybin: all i ran it as is --mode=MP4 --nice=19 --cutlist --nodenoise --nodeinterlace --nomultipass |
| [01:52:25] | esotericisms: | I then obviously specified a filename |
| [01:52:27] | dustybin: | esotericisms: maybe try using lame |
| [01:52:45] | esotericisms: | for the mode? |
| [01:53:27] | dustybin: | http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title . . . tening_Tests |
| [01:53:57] | dustybin: | there is a lot of useful info on that wiki |
| [01:54:13] | dustybin: | including lame modes |
| [01:54:55] | esotericisms: | well but not for nuvexport :) |
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| [01:55:17] | esotericisms: | thanks for the help, I will tackle this tomorrow |
| [01:56:10] | clever: | http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/ |
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| [02:13:40] | brunes: | Hey – wondering if anyone here has any insight / knowledge onto why X.org would randomly comsume 100% cpu... |
| [02:13:50] | brunes: | details on my thread post @ http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/334804 |
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| [02:42:17] | monkeyBox: | And the winner... of American Idol 2008... is... David.......... (recording ends) . . . NOOOO!!!! |
| [02:42:45] | monkeyBox: | my wife won't speak to me |
| [02:42:58] | brunes: | lol |
| [02:43:01] | monkeyBox: | I don't suppose anyone could post the last minute of the show?? |
| [02:43:07] | monkeyBox: | pleeeeeeaase? |
| [02:43:10] | brunes: | it ws cook |
| [02:43:13] | brunes: | Done :P |
| [02:43:24] | monkeyBox: | I read it was archuletta? |
| [02:43:28] | brunes: | no, cook |
| [02:44:19] | brunes: | http://www.nationalpost.com/arts/story.html?id=530340 |
| [02:44:37] | monkeyBox: | still, http://www.huliq.com/59948/david-archuleta-wi . . . an-idol-2008 ?????? |
| [02:44:51] | brunes: | I saw it, it was cook |
| [02:45:04] | monkeyBox: | wow |
| [02:45:09] | monkeyBox: | my wife will be pleased.... |
| [02:45:27] | brunes: | that page you posted is just a prediction |
| [02:45:31] | monkeyBox: | figured |
| [02:45:38] | brunes: | "So that's my prediction. David A Wins This Year's American Idol 2008!" |
| [02:46:04] | monkeyBox: | If anyone could get me that last minute or even 30 seconds, that would be awesome... She really wanted to see it, not just hear about it |
| [02:46:25] | brunes: | i am sure itll be on youtube soon if it isnt already |
| [02:46:43] | brunes: | why dont you just re-record the west feed? |
| [02:47:21] | monkeyBox: | brunes, not sure how I could do that... I have cable |
| [02:47:29] | brunes: | oh |
| [02:48:24] | monkeyBox: | My wife doesn't know who won yet and she knows she's going to hear about it tomorrow at work :-( |
| [02:48:57] | monkeyBox: | I actually told her it was archuletta... she'd be stoked if she watched it and saw it was david :) |
| [02:49:03] | monkeyBox: | cook |
| [02:49:06] | monkeyBox: | :-P |
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| [02:50:35] | monkeyBox: | After this she may force me to buy tivo |
| [02:52:18] | monkeyBox: | I doubt it'll be on any video sites before the morning |
| [02:53:01] | nflava: | im sure i can get the whole show |
| [02:53:32] | brunes: | monkeyBox: Nah it will be posted within minutes if it isnt already |
| [02:54:17] | nflava: | American.Idol.S07E42.HDTV.XviD-XOR |
| [02:54:21] | nflava: | its out |
| [02:54:44] | brunes: | Yep I am seeing it too |
| [02:54:44] | brunes: | American.Idol.S07E42.HDTV.XviD-XOR |
| [02:56:10] | nflava: | you want the last 2 rar files? |
| [02:56:17] | brunes: | So does anyone else here have issues viewing the guide when watching HDTV ? |
| [02:57:49] | nflava: | yes? no? on the rar files? |
| [02:58:24] | iamlindoro_: | That kind of talk is offlimits here |
| [02:58:32] | iamlindoro_: | take it somewhere they put up with filesharing talk |
| [02:58:44] | nflava: | sorry |
| [02:58:48] | nflava: | im new to here |
| [02:59:11] | monkeyBox: | iamlindoro_, read up, you'll understand :) |
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| [02:59:27] | iamlindoro_: | monkeyBox: I've read, it doesn't make it any more permissible here |
| [02:59:40] | brunes: | I would really liek to know why X.org eats 100% cpu, it makes no sense whatsoever to me |
| [03:00:08] | monkeyBox: | alrighty then....... |
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| [03:12:49] | cafuego: | and stay out |
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| [03:36:40] | monkeyBox: | Heh.. so I read on a blog a ton of other ppl missed the last few seconds of AI where they announced the winner... |
| [03:37:08] | monkeyBox: | basically anyone who used a DVR and wasn't watching live missed it |
| [03:37:27] | ** monkeyBox notes to self to set important shows to record a few minutes longer ** | |
| [03:37:41] | mkrufky: | lol i wonder if that's what kbidd was recording |
| [03:37:55] | wagner: | i didnt see the ending either |
| [03:38:01] | wagner: | although i cant really claim to have missed it |
| [03:39:14] | wagner: | theres some plugin that will automatically extend sports events |
| [03:39:24] | leprechau: | who actually watches that show anyways? |
| [03:39:25] | wagner: | i dont know where it pulls data from to know when to do that though |
| [03:39:35] | leprechau: | i thought it was just teeniebopper girls |
| [03:39:50] | leprechau: | and their unfortunate parents |
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| [03:46:05] | wagner: | its certainly unfortunate to be a parent not in control of the remote |
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| [04:14:30] | kbidd: | actually, i was recording it for my mom... im the unfortunant child that gets stuck watching it |
| [04:15:50] | mkrufky: | suuuuuuuuuure |
| [04:16:42] | kbidd: | well, if i was watching it, i wouldn't have to worry about making sure the ending recorded, now would it :) |
| [04:16:57] | kbidd: | s/it/i |
| [04:17:54] | mkrufky: | just pullin your leg |
| [04:17:59] | mkrufky: | i hope you enjoyed the show |
| [04:18:02] | mkrufky: | im goin to bed |
| [04:18:05] | mkrufky: | have a good night |
| [04:18:21] | kbidd: | night |
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| [04:54:11] | MukiEX: | What I'm looking to do : Record a show once a day in high-bitrate MPEG-2, and then re-encode it into optimized H.264 or Xvid for storage. The H.264 file would be as optimally compatible (Xbox 360, AppleTV) as I can manage. I don't mind scripting a post-record ffmpeg script if that's possible. Also, re-running ushare after the recording. Is this difficult on MythTV? |
| [04:54:21] | MukiEX: | I don't need MythFrontEnd, the backend would be fine. |
| [04:54:47] | MukiEX: | Also, is it possible to force a naming convention on a recorded show? |
| [04:58:16] | GreyFoxx: | muk: You have no control over the initial filename, but after the recording finishes you can rename as you like |
| [04:58:31] | GreyFoxx: | and you cxan use a userjob to reencode/rename as you like |
| [04:58:40] | MukiEX: | Cool. |
| [04:58:52] | MukiEX: | I don't even mind making links to the files. |
| [04:58:56] | GreyFoxx: | myth also has it's own upnp server so ushare isn't really "required" |
| [04:59:19] | MukiEX: | What about for the 360 tho? It has a semi-funky upnp profile I thought |
| [04:59:44] | GreyFoxx: | The 360 does, but myth has worked with it since around xmas |
| [04:59:55] | GreyFoxx: | whe n I inally had enough time of work to look at it heh |
| [04:59:57] | MukiEX: | Oh nice~! |
| [05:00:49] | MukiEX: | Okay, that sounds good. Other thing. Is it possible for MythTV to do a 2nd re-encode after a file's done recording, or do I have to do that "by hand"? |
| [05:00:51] | GreyFoxx: | the 360 however only sees the "video" part of the upnp content. So you will have to make sure that mtyhvideo's directory sees the content |
| [05:01:37] | GreyFoxx: | muki: You can define a userjob to happen after a recording stops. that script can do whatever you like |
| [05:02:20] | MukiEX: | Can I have mythtv "re-scan" its recordings afterwards so it can detect that the old video was deleted? |
| [05:02:54] | GreyFoxx: | no. I you want it removed from the recordings list you will need to remove the entry from the database |
| [05:03:02] | MukiEX: | Ah. |
| [05:03:26] | GreyFoxx: | delete from recorded where basename="filenameofrecording"; |
| [05:04:00] | MukiEX: | Ah, neat |
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| [05:05:20] | MukiEX: | And to record from cable I can just buy/build a lirc ir blaster and hook up the capture card to the cable box's video out, correct? =3 |
| [05:05:30] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [05:08:34] | MukiEX: | Is that a good idea, btw? Using max-bitrate MPEG-2 to get a good source and then 2-pass encoding it with x264? |
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| [06:58:20] | DGnome: | MukiEX: What sort of video does your box output? MPEG2 or analog? |
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| [07:03:22] | MukiEX: | DGnome : Wow, it's a good thing Opera keeps track of new messages ;) |
| [07:03:43] | MukiEX: | The one I'm looking at (eBay) is MPEG-2 hardware and uses the IVTV driver |
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| [08:03:53] | Pasteurized: | hi all |
| [08:05:20] | v_meldrew is now known as justinh | |
| [08:05:52] | ** justinh reads some scrollback. linuxmce ... sounds like faggotry in a box... heh ** | |
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| [08:28:16] | ** justinh feels dirty downloading centos ** | |
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| [08:33:11] | iamlindoro: | What'd you go and do that for? |
| [08:34:45] | justinh: | nothing miffyteevee related, don't worry |
| [08:35:41] | justinh: | did a RHEL assessment yesterday – seems I might be in need of more experience in that field if I want to get out of my shitty job & into linux admin-ish stuff |
| [08:36:00] | iamlindoro: | I just tried to come up with a clever Myth-distro-on-CentOS name and came up empty. |
| [08:36:28] | justinh: | and the name Mythos is already taken – it's a Greek beer :P |
| [08:36:45] | iamlindoro: | Sounds more delicious than Centos anyway |
| [08:37:00] | justinh: | Centos – the freshmaker! |
| [08:37:12] | iamlindoro: | CentOS, now with 50% more Centaur urine. |
| [08:38:30] | justinh: | anyway, over 80% on a RHEL technician certification assessment isn't bad out of the box without cheating |
| [08:38:49] | iamlindoro: | I would think that's pretty darn good |
| [08:38:59] | fryfrog: | hey, that isn't bad |
| [08:39:19] | fryfrog: | i played around on the RHEL "shoudl you take this thing" and didn't do very well on the obscure options to commands |
| [08:39:23] | fryfrog: | i gave up |
| [08:39:46] | fryfrog: | program writers didn't create "-h" and "--help" and "man <cmd>" for nothing! |
| [08:40:01] | justinh: | educated guesswork helps in those kind of scenarios ;) |
| [08:40:22] | iamlindoro: | I've never run Red Hat on any of my own machines... I think the only RPM distro I've ever actually run for a while was Mandrake |
| [08:40:47] | fryfrog: | yeah, i was just pissed when they are like "what does the -e option to ls do" |
| [08:40:48] | justinh: | the stuff I fell over on was vi & vim.. and scripting |
| [08:40:59] | fryfrog: | wtf? -e? :p |
| [08:41:09] | fryfrog: | stuff like that |
| [08:41:20] | iamlindoro: | usage: ls [-ABCFGHLPRSTWabcdefghiklmnopqrstuwx1] |
| [08:41:22] | iamlindoro: | hahaha |
| [08:41:40] | fryfrog: | is that real output? |
| [08:41:42] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [08:41:46] | fryfrog: | wow |
| [08:41:51] | fryfrog: | i mean, i know a lot of common command options |
| [08:42:06] | iamlindoro: | -al has handled about 99.9% of everything I've ever needed :) |
| [08:42:11] | fryfrog: | everyone knows -alhtr and stuff |
| [08:42:16] | justinh: | you know what you need to know to get you through. nobody can knockanybody for that |
| [08:42:18] | fryfrog: | who needs the other crazy shit for ls? :p |
| [08:42:43] | fryfrog: | i setup a centos server for a friend the other day, it wasn't to bad |
| [08:42:51] | justinh: | jesus man the exams are crazy expensive |
| [08:43:01] | fryfrog: | i sort of wish i'd gone with debian or ubuntu-server for the familiarity though |
| [08:43:21] | fryfrog: | i think for RHEL I'd take the classes and the exam, assuming it was paid for by an employer |
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| [08:44:18] | justinh: | and I know it's a vicious circle – no experience, no job.. no job, no experience. got to try to get out of this dump though |
| [08:44:28] | iamlindoro: | That bad, huh? |
| [08:44:55] | fryfrog: | justinh: how close are you to London? |
| [08:45:03] | justinh: | I can afford to take a cut in pay if I get something nearer home |
| [08:45:07] | justinh: | fryfrog: not far away enough! |
| [08:45:14] | fryfrog: | so you are hates london? |
| [08:45:25] | justinh: | nice place to visit for a day or two |
| [08:45:37] | fryfrog: | but you'd not wanna work/live there? |
| [08:45:45] | justinh: | nope |
| [08:45:52] | justinh: | if anything I want to go back further NOrth |
| [08:46:03] | fryfrog: | ah, oh well :) |
| [08:46:04] | justinh: | be nearer family |
| [08:47:06] | fryfrog: | our "team" at FB is in the process of hiring a manager who will then hire some linux people to do overnight monitoring in London |
| [08:47:13] | fryfrog: | (well, day time your time, night ours) |
| [08:49:27] | justinh: | working from home would be sweet.. but just a dream I think |
| [08:49:48] | fryfrog: | sometimes i think it would be sweet, but sometimes i wonder if *I* could do it |
| [08:49:53] | fryfrog: | also, funny story |
| [08:50:07] | fryfrog: | my old high school ex gf recently got fired from a work from home tech support job |
| [08:50:10] | fryfrog: | for being late |
| [08:50:13] | fryfrog: | to a work from home job |
| [08:50:47] | justinh: | heh |
| [08:51:52] | fryfrog: | i don't think i'd get fired for that, but i'd have trouble finding motivation |
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| [08:52:16] | fryfrog: | plus there is so much free yummies at work, i'd be losing out :) |
| [08:52:20] | justinh: | oh jees. LVM is on the RHEL syllabus |
| [08:52:28] | fryfrog: | bastards! |
| [08:52:32] | fryfrog: | so is ldap i think |
| [08:52:45] | fryfrog: | i keep meaning to get some experience with that |
| [08:53:00] | fryfrog: | i believe bind is also, not something i have a lot of experience with either |
| [08:53:48] | justinh: | seems the default enterprise filesystem is ext3 too. heh |
| [08:55:38] | directhe`: | depends on your vendor |
| [08:56:19] | directhe`: | ext3 is default on red hat's installer (they've had a war with reiserfs use for years), but some vendors will sell you kit with a different FS used for preinstalls |
| [08:57:20] | fryfrog: | why does rh hate reiserfs? |
| [08:57:33] | iamlindoro: | That FS needs a name change in the worst way |
| [08:57:35] | fryfrog: | (i was a bit surprised at the ext3 default of RHEL myself) |
| [08:57:39] | fryfrog: | hahah |
| [08:57:51] | fryfrog: | "hi, i murdered my wife FS" better? :) |
| [08:57:58] | justinh: | guy at work found me a RHEL 'exam' ebook. I think I'll pass on it since it's writed in Engrish |
| [08:58:19] | iamlindoro: | Probably mildly telling that he chose to name it after himself too |
| [08:58:42] | iamlindoro: | I'll tell ya what we need. More Strider games. |
| [08:58:57] | directhe`: | fryfrog, because suse funded development, going back a few years |
| [08:59:04] | iamlindoro: | We've rebooted every other franchise, give me STRIDER |
| [08:59:13] | justinh: | "Make secondary belongs the jeff and marion users" |
| [08:59:31] | directhe`: | fryfrog, fr'example, some RH kernels lack the reiserfs module entirely, the others have debugging mode enabled and piped to /dev/null (in order to kill performance) |
| [08:59:45] | fryfrog: | is reiserfs4 still going in dev? or did the loss of their leader kill it off |
| [08:59:48] | fryfrog: | directhe`: ahahha, nice |
| [08:59:49] | justinh: | "using usermod command we can make user belongs to different group" |
| [09:00:01] | directhe`: | justinh, do not taunt happy fun ball! |
| [09:00:08] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Probably only makes sense in the original klingon |
| [09:00:14] | justinh: | fucking hell he found the lolcat RHEL training manual |
| [09:00:26] | iamlindoro: | I can haz permissionz? |
| [09:00:43] | justinh: | and it's WRONG |
| [09:00:45] | directhe`: | invisible coredump! |
| [09:01:18] | justinh: | create the directory /storage and make its group ownership 'sysusers'. no part of the answer says mkdir /storage |
| [09:01:33] | justinh: | bin it |
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| [09:02:43] | justinh: | to think people pay money for that kind of stuff. fools & money.. fools & money |
| [09:12:01] | iamlindoro: | Bah, have to vacate the hotel room in 20 minutes and haven't finished using up their internets yet |
| [09:12:11] | iamlindoro: | And can't check in to the other place for four hours, damn it |
| [09:13:31] | clever: | wifi? |
| [09:13:36] | directhe`: | iamlindoro, i've stayed in a terrible hotel where (wired) net access was £20 a day – and the time periods for it were 6 hours different to checkin/checkout time |
| [09:13:54] | clever: | lol |
| [09:14:21] | clever: | one place in cleveland charged by the mac/day |
| [09:14:28] | clever: | so if i changed to a 2nd pc(with a diff mac) |
| [09:14:33] | clever: | i had to pay up a 2nd time |
| [09:14:34] | iamlindoro: | the place I'm going is a 4 star hotel, might go by and see if they can squeeze me in a bit early |
| [09:14:40] | directhe`: | as well as costing £119 a night with breakfast |
| [09:14:50] | directhe`: | for a small room, in a hotel in an industrial estate |
| [09:14:52] | directhe`: | oop norf |
| [09:14:55] | ** justinh predicts some wiresharking going on soon ** | |
| [09:15:07] | directhe`: | oh, and the bar had 3 shitty factory beers and nothing better |
| [09:15:20] | justinh: | que sera |
| [09:15:59] | iamlindoro: | I figure it'll take me 30 minutes to walk over, I can sit on a bench somewhere for a bit, and around noon I might try them to see if they'll let me get in early |
| [09:16:18] | iamlindoro: | yeah, the current place has wireless, but my battery is pretty worn out, won't last long |
| [09:16:32] | clever: | i have an inverter |
| [09:16:35] | clever: | 12v->120v |
| [09:16:46] | clever: | now i can run the laptop in the van all day long |
| [09:17:21] | clever: | once or twice ive parked outside a hotel to 'borrow' the inet for 3mins |
| [09:17:41] | iamlindoro: | Well, as I'm neither in my state, country, or continent, the car idea won't work |
| [09:18:15] | clever: | lol |
| [09:18:28] | clever: | theres also a 120 socket on the outside of some hotels |
| [09:18:30] | clever: | and in hallways:p |
| [09:19:45] | iamlindoro: | I think you'd be hard pressed to find 110/120 in the UK |
| [09:19:55] | iamlindoro: | that said, I do of course have a plug adapter |
| [09:19:59] | justinh: | not in scotland :P |
| [09:20:10] | justinh: | careful you don't bump into DC mains up there though |
| [09:20:36] | justinh: | I can't help my anti-scottishness btw – I was born thins way |
| [09:20:38] | clever: | but if you can connect the laptop in the hotel room |
| [09:20:39] | justinh: | *this |
| [09:20:43] | clever: | you can connect it in the hallway:P |
| [09:20:47] | clever: | assuming its wifi |
| [09:21:00] | iamlindoro: | clever: I reckon they don't want me lurking about the hallways after I've checked out |
| [09:21:05] | clever: | yeah |
| [09:21:06] | iamlindoro: | Since it's a Bed and Breakfast |
| [09:21:10] | clever: | might seem odd |
| [09:21:25] | clever: | go do it at the new place then:P |
| [09:21:35] | clever: | that you cant check into for another few hours |
| [09:21:42] | iamlindoro: | We'll see |
| [09:21:47] | clever: | or find a free internet cafee |
| [09:21:57] | iamlindoro: | Hahah |
| [09:22:02] | iamlindoro: | free internet cafe |
| [09:22:03] | iamlindoro: | good one |
| [09:22:08] | iamlindoro: | this isn't the US we're talking about |
| [09:22:13] | clever: | lol |
| [09:22:21] | clever: | i was thinking of canada:P |
| [09:22:27] | justinh: | macdonalds all have free interwebbiebubbles too AFAIK |
| [09:22:40] | justinh: | good luck finding power there though |
| [09:22:42] | clever: | theres a few pizza places in canada with free wifi |
| [09:22:45] | iamlindoro: | amusingly I've yet to see a Macdough here |
| [09:23:05] | clever: | and pizza is something that actualy comes fresh so you have to wait:P |
| [09:23:19] | justinh: | star***cks? |
| [09:23:22] | clever: | and the wifi gives you something to do while you wait |
| [09:23:36] | clever: | theres alot of those arround |
| [09:23:45] | clever: | i'll check my airodump logs to see who i drove by |
| [09:23:51] | iamlindoro: | I booked Indiana Jones tickets for tonight, will see if it's two hours of Harrison Ford is old jokes |
| [09:23:59] | justinh: | then again plenty of offices have insecure wireless in town |
| [09:24:29] | clever: | 2420 00:0D:3A:6F:F0:D7 STARLING No data – WEP or WPA |
| [09:24:31] | clever: | 512 00:0F:66:36:F1:02 get your own internet bastard None (192.168.1.105) |
| [09:24:41] | clever: | only thing matching *star* |
| [09:24:48] | directhe`: | actually, plenty of pubs & cafes have free wifi |
| [09:24:54] | justinh: | but be aware it's now a criminal offence to use other people's insecure wireless. never worked that one out. I'd have said fair game |
| [09:24:58] | directhe`: | just not actual *internet cafes* |
| [09:24:58] | clever: | 162 00:17:C5:05:56:81 Boston Pizza None (0.0.0.0) |
| [09:25:10] | iamlindoro: | OK, gotta check out, later on |
| [09:25:23] | directhe`: | pubs! pubs have wifi! |
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| [09:25:33] | directhe`: | i hope he got that before killing his client |
| [09:25:39] | clever: | lol |
| [09:25:40] | justinh: | I used an Easy internet when I was in london last. £2 for two hours. not bad but I didn't want two hours |
| [09:25:56] | directhe`: | i use pub wifi. or cafe wifi. |
| [09:26:01] | justinh: | interesting sitting next to 419'ers & terrorists :) |
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| [09:26:42] | clever: | dont let them see your pw! |
| [09:26:59] | clever: | 288 00:13:A3:9B:56:81 5037654a7a584271217155307d No data – WEP or WPA |
| [09:26:59] | clever: | 289 00:0F:3D:5C:FB:06 DLink No data – WEP or WPA |
| [09:27:06] | clever: | i wonder what that idiots key is?:P |
| [09:27:30] | directhe`: | tee hee |
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| [09:27:56] | clever: | 545 00:18:39:4C:62:30 Syph0r$_N37w0r|< WPA (0 handshake) |
| [09:28:11] | clever: | 602 00:16:B6:E6:89:98 SpaceBalls_the_router No data – WEP or WPA |
| [09:28:16] | clever: | lol, that movie was fun |
| [09:28:30] | fryfrog: | i should sniff some of the wireless around me, there are like 5 or 6 networks |
| [09:28:34] | clever: | 682 02:13:02:00:00:F2 Free Public WiFi None (0.0.0.0) |
| [09:28:41] | clever: | i think its legal to 'steal' that one:P |
| [09:28:45] | directhe`: | Free Public WiFi is a windows laptop |
| [09:28:51] | clever: | lol |
| [09:29:09] | justinh: | why the hell did the feds in the uk have to go spoil all the fun? illegal indeed. FAIR GAME |
| [09:29:10] | clever: | i also have a ton of weird essid's |
| [09:29:15] | clever: | that show up just way too often |
| [09:29:16] | directhe`: | the way windows works, it tries to associate with the last SSID it used, and if it fails, it sets itself up in ad-hoc mode with the same SSID |
| [09:29:18] | clever: | 762 00:12:43:E0:26:70 orange No data – WEP or WPA |
| [09:29:18] | clever: | 763 00:12:43:E0:0E:B2 orange13 No data – WEP or WPA |
| [09:29:33] | clever: | 754 00:13:A3:75:91:69 b1test00 No data – WEP or WPA |
| [09:29:46] | directhe`: | so one laptop, ONCE, connected to "Free Public WiFi", and since then it's a viral meme between computers |
| [09:30:11] | directhe`: | http://travel.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_ . . . e3554838.ece |
| [09:30:39] | clever: | 1314 00:11:95:FF:E0:45 Halifax Public Libraries None (0.0.0.0) |
| [09:31:18] | clever: | 1687 02:13:02:00:00:6D <DC>p2p None (0.0.0.0) |
| [09:31:18] | clever: | thats got non ascii chars in it! |
| [09:31:47] | clever: | that may crash/confuse some wifi clients |
| [09:31:48] | clever: | 1740 00:13:46:EE:DF:2C Channel Five News Team No data – WEP or WPA |
| [09:31:48] | clever: | :O |
| [09:31:56] | clever: | 1770 00:13:46:FF:DA:E8 Can't Touch This No data – WEP or WPA |
| [09:32:04] | clever: | 1755 00:11:95:2C:8C:C8 phat chance No data – WEP or WPA |
| [09:32:07] | fryfrog: | okay, i think thats enough spam :p |
| [09:32:12] | ** directhe` touches ** | |
| [09:32:15] | fryfrog: | are those their passwords? |
| [09:32:17] | directhe`: | hm |
| [09:32:21] | directhe` is now known as directhex | |
| [09:32:32] | fryfrog: | what do you use to sniff that anyway? |
| [09:32:38] | clever: | theres another free public, and ive also see many with emails as the essid |
| [09:32:42] | clever: | i use airodump-ng |
| [09:32:56] | clever: | when driving on any long trips i leave it running the entire time |
| [09:33:06] | clever: | mostly i just catch 1–2 beacons before im out of range |
| [09:33:10] | fryfrog: | ahahha |
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| [09:33:29] | fryfrog: | thats pretty cool :) |
| [09:33:39] | fryfrog: | i think i'd need to get my ubuntu laptop working with wireless again to play with that |
| [09:33:45] | ** iamlindoro is a charming son of a bitch ** | |
| [09:33:47] | iamlindoro: | Just got myself another hour here |
| [09:34:00] | clever: | GET YOUR OWN INTERNET! |
| [09:34:13] | clever: | lol |
| [09:34:14] | fryfrog: | you were like "i'll come give you a naked back rub if i can have another hour baby" |
| [09:34:17] | fryfrog: | and it was a dude? :) |
| [09:34:31] | iamlindoro: | Sure, if by back you mean "wang." |
| [09:34:40] | fryfrog: | hahha |
| [09:34:53] | iamlindoro: | and by naked you mean "penetration" |
| [09:35:16] | directhex: | "i'll come give you a penetration wang rub if i can have another hour baby" |
| [09:35:17] | directhex: | ? |
| [09:35:17] | iamlindoro: | That's what I get for staying at the Happy Endings hotel and massage parlor. |
| [09:35:24] | fryfrog: | ahha |
| [09:35:35] | iamlindoro: | directhex: I see you know the place |
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| [09:35:38] | directhex: | anyway, the advantage to pub wifi is one may also find ale in pubs |
| [09:35:54] | directhex: | or baguettes in cafes |
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| [09:36:05] | justinh: | bit early to start dri.. oh wait I remember he's in Scotland |
| [09:36:14] | clever: | lol |
| [09:36:17] | iamlindoro: | It's never too early |
| [09:36:34] | directhex: | justinh, it's liquid bread. drink a pint, it's like eating toast! |
| [09:36:40] | directhex: | and toast is a fine breakfast! |
| [09:36:48] | clever: | its 6am |
| [09:36:48] | clever: | i think its a bit early to go to bed:P |
| [09:36:48] | clever: | but the sun is starting to hurt my eyes... |
| [09:38:04] | iamlindoro: | It's only 6 AM if you're floating in the atlantic |
| [09:38:20] | iamlindoro: | Or nailing a hot babe in Brazil |
| [09:38:22] | clever: | 6:38 am! |
| [09:38:27] | clever: | nb canada:P |
| [09:38:34] | iamlindoro: | You poor son of a bitch |
| [09:38:41] | ** directhex blames canada ** | |
| [09:38:53] | directhex: | the tourist spots in cuba are full of bloody canadians |
| [09:38:59] | directhex: | with their flapping heads so full of lies |
| [09:39:19] | clever: | i do know 1 person online in the same timezone |
| [09:39:19] | clever: | down in brazil |
| [09:39:22] | iamlindoro: | If only they could get some of that Internet money |
| [09:39:54] | iamlindoro: | I did mention Brazil |
| [09:40:48] | justinh: | there are 2 kinds of canadians in my experience. nice ones I've yet to meet & seriously annoying ones who talk very loud all the time and say EH a lot |
| [09:41:02] | clever: | eh? |
| [09:41:24] | iamlindoro: | The hotel lady called me "a very polite lad" just then |
| [09:41:32] | iamlindoro: | since I call everyone sir and ma'am |
| [09:41:35] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [09:41:40] | iamlindoro: | If only they read #mythtv-users |
| [09:41:52] | clever: | quick |
| [09:41:56] | clever: | scan the hostmasks:P |
| [09:42:00] | clever: | they might be in here |
| [09:42:22] | justinh: | conscooters? pfft. evil machines used by witches! |
| [09:42:39] | iamlindoro: | I chuckled to see the hotel TV was made by amstrad |
| [09:42:48] | clever: | http://bash.org/?202477 |
| [09:44:49] | iamlindoro: | On the plus side, I get to catch an episode of Dr. Who in the proper time zone and day |
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| [09:44:58] | clever: | lol |
| [09:45:00] | justinh: | that's a plus side? |
| [09:45:09] | fryfrog: | nice quote :) |
| [09:45:15] | iamlindoro: | What can I say, I'm easily amused |
| [09:45:53] | clever: | http://bash.org/?56856 |
| [09:46:18] | iamlindoro: | If there was a Hall of Fame for people who pasted their random musing, clever would be the all time winner |
| [09:46:34] | clever: | im trying to find one that you reminded me of |
| [09:46:34] | justinh: | iamlindoro: I call that my ignore list |
| [09:47:13] | clever: | i could just stop:P |
| [09:47:27] | iamlindoro: | I'm a particular fan of the "paste my lcpci/lcusb/cat /proc/cpuinfo" masturbationfest |
| [09:47:31] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [09:47:42] | fryfrog: | i don't get why that is funny :/ |
| [09:47:44] | justinh: | if you could stop, you wou;dve done already |
| [09:47:46] | clever: | http://bash.org/?258908 |
| [09:47:49] | justinh: | like if I could quit IRC... |
| [09:47:51] | clever: | theres the one i was looking for:P |
| [09:47:57] | iamlindoro: | No no cleve, tell me again what lspci |grep -i vga says |
| [09:48:01] | directhex: | jms@orac:~> cat /proc/cpuinfo | wc -l |
| [09:48:02] | directhex: | 4608 |
| [09:48:02] | directhex: | i win |
| [09:48:03] | iamlindoro: | tell me about the ati in your laptop |
| [09:48:03] | clever: | im done for the day |
| [09:48:04] | iamlindoro: | TELL ME |
| [09:48:12] | clever: | lol |
| [09:49:10] | iamlindoro: | directhex: doesn't count my supercomputing center guy |
| [09:49:14] | iamlindoro: | er Mr. |
| [09:50:00] | iamlindoro: | If you were clever those would all be separate machines and he'd tell you about each GPU, then tell you he had to go offline because dad need the laptop for work now |
| [09:50:03] | iamlindoro: | hahah |
| [09:50:18] | directhex: | 07:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device **** (rev a1) |
| [09:50:23] | directhex: | hells yes, bitches |
| [09:51:16] | iamlindoro: | doesn't count, directhex. You're married and may have intercoursed an actual woman. |
| [09:51:37] | directhex: | iamlindoro, more than once! :o |
| [09:51:52] | directhex: | iamlindoro, a woman with a 3ghz core 2., mrowr! |
| [09:51:57] | iamlindoro: | You don't need to blow your grepload all over IRC |
| [09:52:12] | iamlindoro: | You don't need to give #mythtv-users the pearl necklace of your cat'ing |
| [09:52:20] | iamlindoro: | directhex: haha |
| [09:52:59] | directhex: | iamlindoro, i want to spread my juicy deviceQuery all over the place though :( |
| [09:53:07] | iamlindoro: | You cad! |
| [09:53:35] | iamlindoro: | sudo /etc/init.d/tentacle restart |
| [09:53:40] | directhex: | ]$ ./deviceQuery | grep ^Device |
| [09:53:40] | directhex: | Device 0: "GT200" |
| [09:54:25] | ** justinh wonders if it's friday yet ** | |
| [10:01:00] | gbee: | heh, my last email threatening to lodge a complaint with paypal did the trick, my card has just been posted :) |
| [10:02:27] | justinh: | coming via DuhHuuuL? |
| [10:07:31] | gbee: | Deutsch Post :) |
| [10:07:59] | justinh: | same thing AFAIK |
| [10:08:38] | justinh: | hmmm s100 boxes only going for 50EUR on ebay these days. hardly worth my while putting mine on |
| [10:09:10] | gbee: | yeah, it's standard DHL versus DHL Express |
| [10:10:19] | iamlindoro: | "I just registered today after buying SageTV and the HD extender a couple days ago. I'm a long time MythTV user (3 years) but the HD extender and HD PVR support won me over." |
| [10:10:30] | iamlindoro: | Haha, silly bastard hasn't been reading the channel logs |
| [10:11:01] | justinh: | I think the hey thing there is the HD extender |
| [10:11:06] | justinh: | s/hey/key |
| [10:11:24] | iamlindoro: | Not as though for the same price you can't put together a nice little HD capable Myth frontend |
| [10:11:25] | justinh: | mythtv != an appliance, get over it! |
| [10:11:59] | justinh: | I dunno where people get off on 'saving money' by using mythtv. kind of missing the point |
| [10:12:34] | directhex: | mythtv is expensive compared to a humax, or sky+ |
| [10:12:42] | iamlindoro: | it's missing the point entirely |
| [10:12:49] | justinh: | yep. in terms of running costs and time |
| [10:12:53] | iamlindoro: | As we all know, MythTV is about getting LAID |
| [10:13:06] | justinh: | is that like RAID ? |
| [10:13:13] | clever: | LVM all the way! |
| [10:13:29] | iamlindoro: | clever: Now you just sound silly |
| [10:13:43] | clever: | never used raid but lvm works great:P |
| [10:13:45] | ** justinh waits for some guff about a billion 10MB disks in his LVM ** | |
| [10:14:15] | directhex: | still haven't booted my backend up since moving house |
| [10:14:20] | clever: | yes ive had about 7(or was it 20) partitions lvm'ed back into a single unit:P |
| [10:14:22] | iamlindoro: | LVM works great if you don't care about anything on it |
| [10:14:33] | clever: | ive never lost any data on lvm |
| [10:14:46] | iamlindoro: | And I've never been gunned down by an angry ex-girlfriend |
| [10:14:52] | iamlindoro: | but that doesn't mean it won't happen |
| [10:14:59] | clever: | lol |
| [10:15:05] | clever: | raid can loose data too |
| [10:15:12] | justinh: | never been to Disneyland, never been to Goa, never plan to use LVM. DOH. Gonna have to :( |
| [10:15:13] | clever: | all it takes is a gun to the case:P |
| [10:15:27] | iamlindoro: | And that equals an LVM advantage how? |
| [10:15:49] | justinh: | users can be lost too. all it takes is a gun to the head |
| [10:15:50] | clever: | cant say its never going to happen:P |
| [10:16:13] | iamlindoro: | I can say it's a lot less likely with multiple redundant disks |
| [10:16:28] | justinh: | ahh I dream of redundancy |
| [10:16:29] | directhex: | clever, http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a233/Satima/windmill.jpg |
| [10:16:33] | iamlindoro: | LVM and RAID, while offering some similar functionality, are entirely different beast for different tasks |
| [10:16:37] | iamlindoro: | why don't people *get* that, anyway? |
| [10:16:38] | directhex: | justinh, talking about your job again? |
| [10:16:48] | justinh: | did I say that out loud? heh |
| [10:16:55] | clever: | yeah |
| [10:16:56] | clever: | but nothing stops you from using lvm ontop of raid:P |
| [10:17:23] | iamlindoro: | So? |
| [10:17:36] | justinh: | nothing stops you using suffocation on top of a bullet to the head |
| [10:18:03] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Oooh, I even recommend it. I mean, if you're going to do something, might as well not do it in half-measures |
| [10:18:36] | justinh: | I mean, the combination of polythene, duct tape AND bullets.. unstoppable |
| [10:18:50] | directhex: | or go for a Sin City death |
| [10:19:25] | justinh: | I took that back. faulty disc or something. all in black & white apart from the reds. weird |
| [10:19:42] | directhex: | Rubber tubing, gas, saw, gloves, cuffs, razor wire, hatchet, Gladys, and my mitts. |
| [10:19:57] | directhex: | that's what you need for a proper kill. oh, and starving dogs at the end |
| [10:20:15] | justinh: | sounds lovely |
| [10:20:40] | justinh: | ugh. last time I even squint at that blog. photo of the tron guy |
| [10:20:56] | directhex: | sinnnnn city's cinematography is impeccable. does a brilliant job of looking like the graphic novels |
| [10:21:06] | directhex: | now, whether you care for miller's novels is the bigger question |
| [10:21:30] | justinh: | what I really meant to say was, I watched the opening few minutes & ejected the disc |
| [10:22:10] | justinh: | call me a phillistine |
| [10:22:32] | directhex: | like i said. |
| [10:22:32] | ** Dibblah resists. ** | |
| [10:23:08] | directhex: | personally i find miller a little... i dunno. too black and white. talking about content there, not the delightful artistry |
| [10:23:09] | iamlindoro: | 300 seemed to use a lot of the comic as visual inspiration too |
| [10:23:12] | directhex: | didn't bother with 300 |
| [10:23:25] | directhex: | i much prefer gaiman for my graphic novels |
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| [10:23:31] | justinh: | saw the trailer for 300 & opted to give it a wide berth |
| [10:23:36] | directhex: | or even moore in limited, alcohol-fuelled doses |
| [10:23:51] | iamlindoro: | directhex: Every time someone yell "Sparta," you drink? |
| [10:23:54] | iamlindoro: | yells |
| [10:24:03] | justinh: | heh. ITVHD has a related ticket already |
| [10:24:24] | Dibblah: | "Fix this for me, my programming minions!" |
| [10:24:26] | Corvix: | did anyone try the channel groups patch yet? |
| [10:24:44] | justinh: | last I heard, multirec broked it big style |
| [10:24:49] | iamlindoro: | Ooooookay, time to check out. Again. |
| [10:24:52] | directhex: | justinh, isn't itvhd just mheg? |
| [10:25:05] | Dibblah: | No, it's an encapsulation issue. |
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| [10:25:14] | justinh: | no, it's just shite :) |
| [10:25:19] | Dibblah: | The stream says it's one thing, but isn't. |
| [10:26:03] | justinh: | the idea is that it's mheg though – primarily so it won't work on Sly HD |
| [10:26:30] | justinh: | pressay the red button & it un-obsfurcates the stream.. or summink |
| [10:26:45] | directhex: | i approve of MHEG because MHEG is a standard. i don't approve of lying on stream IDs |
| [10:27:31] | Dibblah: | Not just mheg. |
| [10:27:50] | justinh: | I approve of DVB because it's a set of standards. I don't approve of everybody pissing all over it with their own little foibles & yet still calling it a 'standard' |
| [10:28:20] | directhex: | well, even top-up tv is standard |
| [10:28:25] | directhex: | was, even |
| [10:28:45] | justinh: | TUTV can only now be considered an also-ran IMHO |
| [10:28:57] | directhex: | TUTV is dead |
| [10:29:05] | justinh: | even topup 'anytime' |
| [10:29:33] | directhex: | i told them to fuck off in the end. constantly trying to make me move to anytime |
| [10:29:38] | directhex: | told them where to shove their STB |
| [10:30:18] | justinh: | looks like Sky have given up on their 'picnic' idea – at least over the air anyway |
| [10:31:00] | justinh: | must've been the realisation that after switchover, reception of the 3 non-PSB muxes will still be patchy, if even existant |
| [10:32:56] | directhex: | it will never happen in some places |
| [10:33:46] | directhex: | e.g. look at sandy hill & bretch hill on http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/postcodechecker/ma . . . 6931195d42cb |
| [10:35:57] | justinh: | how comes the home counties are getting such a raw deal then? |
| [10:37:31] | directhex: | not entirely sure |
| [10:37:52] | justinh: | and how come every review of Indy I read is saying LaBeef is as 'good' as he was in Transformers? Arghh way to sell it to me. Say HE DIES in the first 5 minutes |
| [10:38:40] | justinh: | think we'll end up going to see SATC instead – but on the condition I get drunk first |
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| [10:40:42] | balachmar_: | Hi, is there some way to make mythwelcome output the commands it is trying to use to shutdown and to set the wakeup time? |
| [10:40:54] | balachmar_: | because -v all won't show this information |
| [10:41:35] | justinh: | wouldn't it only use the commands set in the database by mythfrontend/mythtv-setup ? |
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| [10:41:51] | balachmar_: | I expect so, but with the time filled in |
| [10:42:04] | balachmar_: | So what it really is trying to execute |
| [10:43:22] | balachmar_: | because it is going wrong somewhere, but I can't find out where... |
| [10:44:05] | justinh: | eew who made that selectbar? |
| [10:44:56] | justinh: | tried mythwelcome -s ??? |
| [10:46:29] | balachmar_: | ofcourse I tried mythwelcome -s |
| [10:46:32] | balachmar_: | :) |
| [10:46:35] | justinh: | and? |
| [10:47:00] | directhex: | i need an electrician |
| [10:47:31] | justinh: | I have an idea. why not replace the commands with your own scripts which echo their output (i.e. what mythwelcome sends them) ?? |
| [10:48:41] | balachmar_: | ok, that would be a good idea, but how do I pass the $time variable to my script? |
| [10:49:00] | justinh: | $variable = $1, no? |
| [10:49:26] | directhex: | $1 for first arg |
| [10:49:29] | directhex: | $2 for second |
| [10:49:31] | directhex: | etc etc |
| [10:49:42] | justinh: | bashy bashy 101 |
| [10:49:42] | balachmar_: | ok, will try that |
| [10:49:49] | directhex: | or iterate through $@ |
| [10:49:58] | balachmar_: | sorry I'm not a bash expert |
| [10:50:27] | justinh: | jesus. I'm not a bash expert either. I will always refute any claim to my own expertise! |
| [10:51:28] | balachmar_: | ghe ghe |
| [10:52:03] | justinh: | if I was any kind of bash expert I wouldn't be whiling away my time at work on IRC |
| [10:52:11] | justinh: | or maybe I would ;) |
| [10:52:53] | balachmar_: | so I changed the nvram wakeup command to : /home/user/nvram.sh $time |
| [10:53:21] | justinh: | make nvram.sh executable of course |
| [10:54:33] | balachmar_: | ofcourse |
| [10:55:00] | balachmar_: | but it consisted of two lines, apparently nano does some kind of wordwrapping and writes that to the file as well... irritating |
| [10:55:53] | balachmar_: | I also removed the mythshutdown --check and replaced it with exit 0. So it shouldn't even check if it can shutdown |
| [10:56:07] | justinh: | scripts can wrap lines no problem |
| [10:56:34] | balachmar_: | in nvram.sh it says : date -d `echo $1` +%s | xargs /usr/sbin/nvram-wakeup -A -C /home/willem/nvram-wakeup.conf -s > kijkeens.txt |
| [10:56:41] | justinh: | encouraged to do so, even. better than trying to read one line 250 million chars long |
| [10:56:54] | balachmar_: | but it won't write to that file |
| [10:57:06] | balachmar_: | probably because of the xargs... |
| [10:57:53] | justinh: | is this just coming down to some sudoer issue again? |
| [11:01:25] | balachmar_: | no I think it is coming down to a timeformat issue as described here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythwelcome |
| [11:01:33] | balachmar_: | because I can make it work manually |
| [11:04:11] | balachmar_: | I will write my own script then I guess |
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| [11:04:51] | balachmar_: | ok, the command to set wakeup time is never run |
| [11:05:42] | balachmar_: | the only thing that does is write the variable to a file. and even that doesn't happen |
| [11:06:49] | balachmar_: | mythshutdown --setwakeup 2008-05–22T19:30:00 should actually then run the command to set the wakeup time right? |
| [11:07:37] | balachmar_: | and all that is is: echo $1 > kijkeens.txt And kijkeens.txt doesn't contain the time variable |
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| [12:21:58] | thrope: | Hello – last time I was here helpful people recommended nova-t cards for minimal hassle with mythtv on linux... I was wondering if the usb ones are ok? |
| [12:22:08] | thrope: | like this: http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklin . . . igationKey=0 |
| [12:22:41] | justinh: | I'd always choose PCI over USB |
| [12:23:52] | directhex: | the nota-td does not work in linux |
| [12:24:01] | directhex: | the "diversity" chip is unsupported |
| [12:24:04] | directhex: | and, i think, discontinued |
| [12:24:04] | thrope: | but should it work ok? I'm going to have a micro-atx port thats low on pci slots, + this comes with a remote for the same price as the pci one alone |
| [12:24:29] | thrope: | directhex: ah ok thanks |
| [12:24:30] | justinh: | mini chassis are invariably lame |
| [12:24:48] | thrope: | justinh: unfortunately its the only mobo I can find with integrated s-video out |
| [12:25:10] | thrope: | ahttp://www.dabs.com/ProductView.aspx?Quickli . . . mp;InMerch=1 ? |
| [12:25:10] | directhex: | the regular usb nova-t is supported, but has nothing in common with the pci version, so reports of success on one are not directly movable to the other |
| [12:25:55] | directhex: | thrope, that's the dual-tuner pci card. which DOES have something in common, since it's electrically usb |
| [12:26:04] | thrope: | oh god |
| [12:26:17] | thrope: | can anyone just make a recommendation for uk purchase for dual pci tuner thats most likely to work |
| [12:26:25] | thrope: | ideally <£50 |
| [12:26:28] | thrope: | and maybe with a remote |
| [12:26:43] | directhex: | actually, according to http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-NOVA-TD-Stick the td IS supported now |
| [12:26:58] | nicholas_: | thrope: I've been happy with the Nova T-500 |
| [12:27:24] | thrope: | nicholas_: is that the dual tuner one? is it the same as the link i gave |
| [12:27:44] | nicholas_: | thrope: yes, and yes |
| [12:27:56] | thrope: | ok great... thanks |
| [12:27:59] | directhex: | wait, there's a PCI TD (unsupported) and PCI T (supported) |
| [12:28:03] | nicholas_: | I had no problems at all with it |
| [12:28:33] | justinh: | the USB TD has been supported for a while |
| [12:28:41] | justinh: | it's just the nova-td500 which won't be |
| [12:29:01] | directhex: | i'm confused. i need a lie down |
| [12:29:31] | justinh: | as far as integrated video not having svideo is concerned – consider Intel boards |
| [12:29:44] | dustybin: | what apache php modules am i missing: |
| [12:29:48] | dustybin: | Restarting web server: apache2Syntax error on line 104 of /etc/apache2/conf.d/mythweb.conf: |
| [12:29:51] | dustybin: | Invalid command 'php_value', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration failed! |
| [12:32:19] | ** justinh pats his er.. thingy-based frontend with C2D mobile chip inside. all on one board & not a hint of Via shite in sight ** | |
| [12:33:26] | justinh: | ohyay.. Aopen i945GMm-HL |
| [12:34:10] | directhex: | aopen wub laptop cpus in desktops |
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| [12:36:50] | dustybin: | my php4 module got disabled |
| [12:36:52] | dustybin: | apache2 |
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| [12:38:45] | ** directhex ports mythweb to asp.net ** | |
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| [12:42:27] | ** justinh goes to be addressed by a c*** for half an hour ** | |
| [12:43:06] | directhex: | you could stay and learn asp.net! |
| [12:43:57] | justinh: | non-optional 'team brief' |
| [12:44:54] | GreyFoxx: | My god people seem to think Gloss is the second coming of Christ or something |
| [12:45:28] | GreyFoxx: | (the FE replacement, not the theme I mean) |
| [12:45:46] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, libclutter based? |
| [12:45:50] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [12:46:05] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, everyone loves clutter, since it adds "next gen" visuals for "free" |
| [12:47:47] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, and to an extend, they're right. how long has mythui been a TODO item, without yielding visuals remotely as nice as throwaway hack projects like gloss? |
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| [12:49:57] | GreyFoxx: | I'm not saying it doesn't have some pretty effects, but from what I've seen it's just that. some pretty screens and not much more (which I suppose it can be argued the frontend is all about) that calls mplayer |
| [12:50:07] | GreyFoxx: | And I'm not in anyway knocking the guys efforts |
| [12:50:21] | GreyFoxx: | I'm just laughing at the reactions some people are having |
| [12:51:00] | directhex: | mythtv isn't visually exciting. we all know it has the biggest feature list, but it has no "wow" factor |
| [12:52:52] | GreyFoxx: | I guess I like the "cute" factor, but want features more than gui bling |
| [12:52:58] | gbee: | something which I'm working to change, as fast as I can |
| [12:53:27] | directhex: | you can impress people by showing them features like timestretch, as long as they don't fall asleep by the time you get there |
| [12:54:51] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: And it's appreciated |
| [12:55:20] | GreyFoxx: | And in the end with a project with the amount of users the size of myth it's no wonder there is a vocal group for just about everything or the shiny object of the day |
| [12:55:29] | GreyFoxx: | be it an Intel Atom as a FE or some gui bling |
| [12:56:25] | directhex: | i'm not complaining, but you HAVE to compare yourself to others, to steal their best features |
| [12:56:42] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: There is no current placement for GenericTree is there? |
| [12:56:49] | gbee: | yeah, it's just frustrating that people want to persue something completely new instead of working with us to improve what we already have |
| [12:56:53] | directhex: | and visually, myth lags. since visuals are the first thing people see, then they're the most obvious thing to compare |
| [12:57:16] | directhex: | gbee, sometimes clean room RAD can help a lot with forming ideas |
| [12:57:37] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: no, I'm struggling a little with that one since I'm not sure what the replacement should be :) |
| [12:57:50] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: hehe |
| [12:59:28] | gbee: | directhex: mythui is already capable of many things that people want from the UI and stuff I intend on adding will only improve the situation, but I don't think the underlying code is really the biggest problem, it's that we don't have enough people interested in theming and with the artistic skill |
| [12:59:42] | directhex: | gbee, that's a general problem with F/OSS |
| [13:00:04] | directhex: | gbee, i still think there's a pool of untapped talent in artist communities like deviantart |
| [13:00:33] | directhex: | pair artists with "theme coders" to do the back-end xml |
| [13:01:40] | gbee: | no-one has yet pushed the existing UI code to it's limits, so although mythui is many times better I don't expect to see any immediate improvements unless we get people with the talent and vision |
| [13:03:13] | directhex: | can we do transitions that aren't fade-out-fade-in yet? |
| [13:06:04] | gbee: | no, but possibly by the time 0.22 is released, it's on my list |
| [13:06:30] | gbee: | you can do movement stuff, so buttons can slide in from the side of the screen etc |
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| [13:07:07] | directhex: | oh, thank god. |
| [13:07:45] | directhex: | is it handled by an idle loop these days, or does a slow cpu still mean slow transitions rather than dropped frames? |
| [13:07:57] | justinh: | directhex: I think a lot of deviant artists would fall flat trying to make a UI.. unless you like weird UIs ;) |
| [13:08:37] | directhex: | justinh, there are communities of artists out there. you always get chaff with wheat |
| [13:09:06] | justinh: | anyway at least that director just told us he won't be here this time next year.. well rather he *effectively* did. "I can honestly say that this time next year I won't be standing here giving you the news you haven't hit targets" |
| [13:10:00] | justinh: | gbee: not just talent & vision. talent, vision & a propensity to put up with criticism from idle arseholes |
| [13:10:16] | Dibblah: | What he's actually saying is that if you don't improve, you'll be the first up against the wall. |
| [13:10:50] | Dibblah: | ... Management never falls on their sword when there's a scapegoat available. |
| [13:11:18] | Dibblah: | Especially given the "you haven't hit targets" vs "we haven't hit targets" difference. |
| [13:11:39] | gbee: | directhex: patch I'm working on at the moment switches animation/transitions to a time based method instead of frame based – so transitions will always take X seconds even on slow CPUs |
| [13:12:00] | directhex: | gbee, huzzah! |
| [13:12:11] | justinh: | Dibblah: nah managers promoted to directors in this company don't last very long |
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| [13:13:03] | ** Dibblah wishes he had more time to devote to normalising mythconverg. ** | |
| [13:13:05] | gbee: | directhex: unfortunately I just have a lot on my plate right now, so much to do, so little time :( |
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| [13:13:49] | GreyFoxx: | Well, looks like I've found the board I'm going with, but it has no onboard video so I'll be picking up another card *sigh* |
| [13:14:04] | GreyFoxx: | the MSI one I liked , I can't actually find for sale anywhere |
| [13:14:27] | Dibblah: | There's always the new Atom board... |
| [13:14:30] | directhex: | gbee, i looked at the transition code once, but decided it needed too much rewriting to abstract the fades away from "if alpha-enabled-painter then slow fades 8D" for my feeble c++ skills |
| [13:14:34] | Dibblah: | If you only want SD. |
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| [13:14:39] | GreyFoxx: | dbi: Nope :) |
| [13:15:02] | iamlindoro: | Yay for the internet |
| [13:15:08] | GreyFoxx: | dibb: and if you want TVout you need to find pci video cards which are harder and harder to get |
| [13:15:23] | directhex: | iamlindoro, it's serious business. did you go to a pub for wifi yet? |
| [13:15:27] | GreyFoxx: | dibb: but I love the atom over all and plan to pickup up 1 or 2 for some stuff |
| [13:15:31] | gbee: | directhex: I'm moving all the transition logic out into something more generic, so new transitions can be added easier |
| [13:15:42] | iamlindoro: | directhex: A pub is my next stop, I promise |
| [13:15:48] | iamlindoro: | But not for internetting |
| [13:15:51] | Dibblah: | Personally, I don't see much point to the current gen of Atoms. |
| [13:16:15] | Dibblah: | They're similar power consumption (full board) to a core2mobile. |
| [13:16:21] | justinh: | I saw the 'diy router/firewall' mini-itx.com are selling. only £250 inc vat or so |
| [13:16:26] | Dibblah: | Which surprised me. |
| [13:17:03] | gbee: | justinh: there was one shown here yesterday, ~£40 |
| [13:17:15] | justinh: | cheep |
| [13:17:24] | justinh: | almost tempting, even |
| [13:17:44] | gbee: | http://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/Motherboards.htm |
| [13:17:53] | gbee: | http://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/Motherboards.html |
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| [13:18:16] | gbee: | that's what I get for copying and pasting the original which also missed the 'l' |
| [13:18:17] | justinh: | meh it's just a board |
| [13:19:13] | gbee: | ahh, ok, I should have guess that the one you mentioned was more than just the board/cpu for £250 :) |
| [13:20:33] | Dibblah: | Very odd idea. They've not brought out the composite / svid / component outputs... |
| [13:20:55] | Dibblah: | (Which are integrated on the i945) |
| [13:21:22] | justinh: | those sagetv extenders look interesting +++ |
| [13:21:50] | Dibblah: | Yes, but will they blend? |
| [13:21:50] | justinh: | get em hacked. aw but wait – hardware decoding. no nifty stuff like timestretch :( |
| [13:21:54] | Dibblah: | Sorry. :( |
| [13:22:02] | iamlindoro: | Oh I bet they'll blend |
| [13:22:08] | GreyFoxx: | dibb: If that board had a tvout port, or even a cable for it I'd use one as a SD fe |
| [13:22:43] | directhex: | Dibblah, the power's not an atom problem, it's a 945 problem |
| [13:23:12] | justinh: | bit tricky to tack analogue video outputs onto a BGA |
| [13:23:16] | Dibblah: | directhex: I have 3 945 boards with c2m chips here. |
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| [13:23:48] | directhex: | Dibblah, 2W CPU, 22W northbridge. spot the problem |
| [13:23:53] | Dibblah: | And they draw 24w @ idle (47 @load) with a good PSU, from the wall. |
| [13:24:05] | Dibblah: | NB is nowhere near 22w. |
| [13:24:09] | justinh: | that's as much as a real CPU |
| [13:24:11] | Dibblah: | It's 8 or so. |
| [13:24:18] | Dibblah: | Look at the datasheet. |
| [13:24:51] | Dibblah: | Goes down to 6 if you don't use the integrated video. |
| [13:25:11] | justinh: | oh well. Planet Earth is gonna die. Rice me up ! |
| [13:25:33] | iamlindoro: | Oh god damn it, I paid for this internet, it should damn well be fast |
| [13:25:51] | Dibblah: | Fast, Cheap, Reliable. Pick one. |
| [13:25:51] | justinh: | internet at the speed of.. wireless :) |
| [13:26:08] | iamlindoro: | I'll take fast and reliable |
| [13:26:16] | iamlindoro: | Let me pick two, c'mon |
| [13:26:16] | Dibblah: | That'd be two. |
| [13:26:22] | iamlindoro: | See above |
| [13:26:25] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [13:28:05] | iamlindoro: | OK let's see what hotel TV looks like in the UK |
| [13:28:19] | iamlindoro: | Where's my porno |
| [13:28:42] | iamlindoro: | justinh: PS, did your town explode into riots last night? |
| [13:28:59] | justinh: | kind of |
| [13:29:25] | justinh: | sirens & fireworks at 11pm last night cos some tribe won some game or other in russia. or something |
| [13:29:45] | iamlindoro: | Hahah, don't pretend you don't know |
| [13:29:57] | iamlindoro: | Even if you hate soccer you can't escape it |
| [13:30:25] | justinh: | soccer? grown men bumming each other in the showers & stuff |
| [13:31:01] | justinh: | "the beautiful game". heh. Glasgow Rangers fans showed just how beautiful it is last week |
| [13:31:05] | iamlindoro: | OK, based on the 15-channelyness of this, I'm going to assume it's just OTA |
| [13:31:17] | directhex: | iamlindoro, name some channels |
| [13:31:32] | iamlindoro: | Ah, you presume I can name your channels |
| [13:31:35] | directhex: | non-bbc/itv channels anyway, those are on anything |
| [13:31:35] | iamlindoro: | I'm flattered |
| [13:31:51] | directhex: | iamlindoro, there's no list of channels next to the tv? or logos on screens? |
| [13:31:57] | justinh: | there'll be four with no logo on them. those are the standard 4 analogue channels |
| [13:32:19] | iamlindoro: | BBC1/2, ITV are all I've seen, and a few audio only, and two Sky Sports |
| [13:32:28] | justinh: | sky sports aint OTA |
| [13:32:39] | iamlindoro: | You mean people PAY for this? |
| [13:32:45] | justinh: | yeah. a LOT |
| [13:32:47] | directhex: | sky sports news is OTA |
| [13:32:47] | Nik_Doof: | lol |
| [13:33:22] | justinh: | beats me how there's enough 'sports news' to keep a 'sports news' channel going 24/7 |
| [13:33:38] | iamlindoro: | Looks like Sky Sports 1–3, Sky, ITV, and the BBCs |
| [13:33:41] | justinh: | there's not enough *news* news to keep a rolling news channel busy |
| [13:33:43] | Nik_Doof: | they just repeat the same crap over and over and over.... |
| [13:33:47] | directhex: | iamlindoro, that's definitely not OTA then |
| [13:33:53] | directhex: | iamlindoro, sky sports means paid-for |
| [13:34:01] | iamlindoro: | directhex: Ewwwwwwwwwwwww |
| [13:34:08] | directhex: | and i think means sky satellite (don't think virgin has any sky-branded channels anymore) |
| [13:34:08] | justinh: | £30 a month or something for those 3 |
| [13:34:24] | Nik_Doof: | directhex: just premiums, sports and movies |
| [13:34:25] | justinh: | directhex: oh you can still get Sky Sports on virgin |
| [13:34:38] | directhex: | oh, might be cable |
| [13:34:39] | iamlindoro: | There'd better be porn on later |
| [13:34:41] | iamlindoro: | hahaha |
| [13:34:48] | directhex: | did iamlindoro say sky1 was on the list? |
| [13:34:52] | iamlindoro: | yar |
| [13:34:56] | justinh: | yeah, so no cable |
| [13:34:57] | directhex: | iirc there was the messy removal of that from the virgin lineup |
| [13:35:01] | directhex: | so it's sky satellite |
| [13:35:15] | iamlindoro: | Appears to be running "Angel" reruns |
| [13:35:17] | Nik_Doof: | directhex: yah, they had a contract renewal bustup |
| [13:35:39] | directhex: | yeah, sky1 runs old eps of star trek, angel, buffy, and the simpsons |
| [13:35:42] | iamlindoro: | And a little tiny pint of beer in the bottom corner |
| [13:35:45] | Nik_Doof: | then virgin put notices on the ex-sky channels saying "sky are trying to rip us off" sorta things |
| [13:35:48] | justinh: | Nik_Doof: lover's tiff. Murdoch refused to bend over |
| [13:35:48] | directhex: | and that's mostly it |
| [13:35:49] | iamlindoro: | Does that mean I won something?? |
| [13:36:07] | iamlindoro: | I'm calling the concierge and saying the TV told me I won a pint of beer |
| [13:36:34] | directhex: | i stayed at a 5-star hotel with pirate satellite once, that was nice |
| [13:36:42] | justinh: | anyways how come you're not out on a haggis safari or something? |
| [13:37:04] | justinh: | there must be better stuff to do in edinbourg during the day, shirley |
| [13:37:10] | directhex: | justinh, wild haggis roam the streets oop norf. he needs to get his gun |
| [13:37:17] | iamlindoro: | I'm running the Marathon on Sunday, meeting up with my team here in a bit |
| [13:37:39] | justinh: | the more wiley haggis wear skirts & tight tops to lure men into a trap by night too – watch out! |
| [13:37:55] | iamlindoro: | Oooh, wait up, I'm okay with being trapped like that |
| [13:38:22] | directhex: | haggistastic |
| [13:39:06] | iamlindoro: | I was offered a wee bit o' haggis this AM |
| [13:39:10] | iamlindoro: | I politely declined |
| [13:39:26] | iamlindoro: | I figure that kind of intestinal fortitude only comes with heavy drinking |
| [13:39:37] | Dibblah: | Meh. You should try the white pudding. Mmmm... Healthy! |
| [13:40:18] | directhex: | iamlindoro, no, that's a kebab |
| [13:40:33] | directhex: | haggis is for pre-binge |
| [13:40:46] | iamlindoro: | directhex: Unless a UK kebab is diferent than a kebab on mainland Europe, I can handle that sober |
| [13:41:16] | directhex: | iamlindoro, UK kebabs are made with a different amount of love and care, to cater for their different market of paralytic drunks |
| [13:41:23] | iamlindoro: | hahaha |
| [13:42:00] | directhex: | although on paper, kebabs are fine creations |
| [13:42:04] | iamlindoro: | The girl at reception is cute, I should develop some sort of problem |
| [13:42:22] | iamlindoro: | I mean, besides my obvious existing ones |
| [13:42:59] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: impress her with all your cable tv knowledge |
| [13:43:35] | iamlindoro: | You forget step one of iamlindoro's guide to wooing ladies: Pretend not to know ANYTHING about computers, video games, or role playing. |
| [13:43:45] | CCFL_Man2: | lol |
| [13:43:59] | CCFL_Man2: | so true |
| [13:44:02] | iamlindoro: | Step two: If you get caught accidentally knowing about of the the above, mention that you heard about that from your dorky friend, and woefully proclaim you no longer speak |
| [13:44:17] | CCFL_Man2: | lol |
| [13:44:55] | iamlindoro: | Step three: Look in a mirror and complete the following mad-lib: "Hey, did you catch the $SportsEvent last night? Man, $LocalTeam really rules. I was so drunk I barely noticed, though." |
| [13:45:19] | iamlindoro: | Step four: Practice step three on your mother, and ultimately on the object of your desire. |
| [13:45:27] | iamlindoro: | Step five: ???? |
| [13:45:31] | iamlindoro: | Step six: Procreate! |
| [13:45:34] | directhex: | step 6: buttsechs |
| [13:46:01] | iamlindoro: | Oooh, it's like conventional sechs but without all the behbehs |
| [13:47:09] | CCFL_Man2: | lol |
| [13:47:20] | CCFL_Man2: | i shall try this method |
| [13:47:30] | directhex: | as the old saying goes, "any hole's a goal" |
| [13:47:33] | Nik_Doof: | are "invalid search key" errors something to worry about? http://pastebin.com/m1bc093ce |
| [13:47:33] | iamlindoro: | Just remember you have to SELL IT |
| [13:47:44] | gbee: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mythui_video_mockup.png |
| [13:47:49] | CCFL_Man2: | yeah |
| [13:48:28] | directhex: | gbee, looks nice. fisheye effect on selection change? |
| [13:48:41] | gbee: | directhex: yeah |
| [13:49:23] | gbee: | yes, it's a mockup but it's doable with mythui right now but I couldn't be bothered :) The images could have reflections, but again I didn't want to waste time adding them – but it's just one small demo of what is possible |
| [13:49:31] | CCFL_Man2: | i feel i'm the only one with a voice gateway and a channel bank in their closet |
| [13:49:36] | directhex: | gbee, still need to have a serious think about non-movie content in mythvideo though. currently, it's just plain shitty unless you force use of the file-browser-ish browse method, which isn't ideal |
| [13:50:07] | gbee: | directhex: yeah, I'll probably leave that for anduin or others to figure out |
| [13:50:37] | gbee: | it could be a screen shot instead of the poster |
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| [13:51:46] | directhex: | gbee, yeah, generate and cache a screenshot where there's no poster (in a background thread to avoid making opening new folders take ages) |
| [13:52:18] | directhex: | gbee, and allow metadata for folders – e.g. have a poster (dvd cover) for the name of a show, with text, similar to a movie |
| [13:52:22] | gbee: | yep, just like mythgallery where we generate the thumbnails in the background |
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| [13:53:46] | jheizer: | Hey all |
| [13:54:41] | directhex: | gbee, xbmc does a very good job at allowing movies AND shows to share a library without sucking, by allowing metadata to distinguish shows from movies, and allowing even the gallery-style views to have (real or metadata-filtered) "folders" |
| [13:56:33] | jheizer: | having an issue with the seek table on a recording (wife's American Idol finale....) |
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| [13:57:04] | justinh: | wheee much better gallery view idea gbee |
| [13:57:06] | jheizer: | can't see through the recording, did a mythcommflag --rebuild and full mythcommflag with com detection and still no luck |
| [13:57:56] | jheizer: | last full run only put in 1,921 entries into the seek table for it |
| [13:58:19] | directhex: | damaged mpeg? |
| [13:58:45] | justinh: | gbee: btw I'll still be up for helping out with a mondo-example if needed. not much else doing when winter draws near |
| [13:58:47] | jheizer: | sof ar it seems to play ok |
| [13:58:55] | GreyFoxx: | You can have covers for folders now, fyi |
| [13:59:12] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/covers1.jpg |
| [13:59:41] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/covers2.jpg |
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| [13:59:57] | jheizer: | running -v all now to see if that helps |
| [13:59:59] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, and metadata? can i describe a folder? or better, do lookups on non-imdb? |
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| [14:00:34] | GreyFoxx: | dire: I know there is some file that can be used for meta data, but I've never looked into it for my TV stuff |
| [14:00:53] | justinh: | a file you can use for metadata?! since like when? |
| [14:01:05] | jheizer: | this a sign of a messed up file "2008-05–22 09:00:26.128 AFD: HandleGopStart: Key frame distance changed from 9 to 15." or just different resolutions or what ever since it is a HD QAM recording |
| [14:01:11] | justinh: | wonder how many more undoc'd features there are |
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| [14:01:54] | justinh: | it's one thing saying users are free to wiki stuff but if features never become even UNcommon knowledge without reading the source... |
| [14:02:02] | gbee: | I should point out that the idea shown there is entirely theme driven, so it could be made to look entirely different in another theme e.g. like the existing gallery, or with a vertical layout or with text instead of posters in a standard list, with/without centre scrolling, or with tranparency, or reverse fish eye etc |
| [14:02:26] | justinh: | gbee: is all this noted on ticket 12? |
| [14:02:30] | directhex: | gbee, right. so mythui rocks. mythvideo still needs a colonic though? |
| [14:02:34] | GreyFoxx: | just: at least I'm 99% sure I saw it. I'm taking a peak now just in case |
| [14:02:45] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: heh ok |
| [14:03:07] | Dibblah: | jheizer: Not necessarily. That can be valid. |
| [14:03:15] | gbee: | justinh: I'd like to document every screen, e.g. possible data etc, but it would double my workload – so if someone wants to come along behind me to work on documentation that would be great |
| [14:03:21] | Dibblah: | Just means that the size of the GOP has changed mid-stream. |
| [14:03:25] | justinh: | gbee: I don't mind |
| [14:03:42] | justinh: | even do examples with screenshots |
| [14:04:11] | gbee: | I'm keeping this page up to date (although it lags by a couple of weeks or more) – http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/MythUIThemeFormat |
| [14:04:13] | GreyFoxx: | I have a few mythvideo patches that make the gallery and screenshot loading a lot faster |
| [14:04:20] | Dibblah: | I'd suggest automating that bit, but then I'm a scripting geek :) |
| [14:04:31] | Dibblah: | (Screenshots) |
| [14:04:35] | GreyFoxx: | loaded covers are rescaled verytime they are loaded |
| [14:04:36] | jheizer: | Dibblah: thanks |
| [14:04:44] | GreyFoxx: | but the patch caches all of that |
| [14:04:52] | jheizer: | well, a full commflag "finished" again |
| [14:04:59] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, it eats moar ram? :o |
| [14:05:00] | jheizer: | pretty quick for 2 hours of HD |
| [14:05:06] | jheizer: | and only 1921 in there again |
| [14:05:07] | GreyFoxx: | dir: file cache |
| [14:05:10] | Dibblah: | jheizer: Version of Myth? |
| [14:05:21] | jheizer: | .21 svn from a week or two ago |
| [14:05:24] | Dibblah: | And can you pastebin a -v all? |
| [14:05:25] | gbee: | justinh: I intended to allow all sorts of optional data in screens, expanding what we've got now so you could do the same page as I've shown above something like this instead – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/buttonlist_demo.png |
| [14:05:46] | Dibblah: | jheizer: .21 fixes, you mean, or head? |
| [14:05:52] | gbee: | those optional and non-optional data items will need documenting |
| [14:05:58] | justinh: | yeah deffo |
| [14:06:00] | jheizer: | k, let me rerun it, didn;t dumb it to a file |
| [14:06:02] | jheizer: | .21 fixes |
| [14:06:05] | directhex: | gbee, whatever next, arbitrary metadata? |
| [14:06:20] | justinh: | that's the one big bugbear with myth's ui right now. the very non-optional stuff |
| [14:07:00] | justinh: | if some crazy twat wants to have a vertical EPG, let em.. on their head be it (etc) ;) |
| [14:07:26] | directhex: | justinh, i want an amazing 3d epg! with blackjack! and hookers! |
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| [14:07:35] | gbee: | directhex: maybe, I'm talking in general terms at the moment regarding all screens and what I'd like to see, I expect various maintainers will want to add their own ideas of what metadata is made available and how it could be used |
| [14:08:28] | justinh: | so basically a lot is gonna be abstracted out to xml files. right now themes are a lot of work to change very little |
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| [14:10:39] | gbee: | I've got plenty of ideas, but if I think too far ahead or have to elaborate on them then I'll come unstuck, better if I just focus on the current job and take it one step at a time |
| [14:10:47] | directhex: | gbee, i guess i'm just *really* smitten with the per-directory assignment of "video type" in xbmc, where you say say "this folder is movies, use imdb" or "this folder is porn, use amdb" – and the way that's used in the UI by allowing browsing of different types of media at the same time through the same ui in a coherent way. we both know how sucky it is to have 110 episodes of a show listed in alphabetical order in browse view, in |
| [14:10:47] | directhex: | amongst the movies |
| [14:11:11] | directhex: | hm, at 1920x1200, it doesn't tale "much" text to hit the per-line limit on irc... |
| [14:11:39] | justinh: | I still plan to hack the mythmusic search into other areas |
| [14:11:54] | justinh: | dunno when but if anybody wants to do it first feel free :D |
| [14:13:45] | justinh: | thought not :) |
| [14:14:04] | directhex: | i'm still busy unpacking |
| [14:15:35] | Dibblah: | Are there any screens (apart from video playback) that aren't MythUI yet? |
| [14:15:51] | justinh: | plenny |
| [14:15:52] | GreyFoxx: | many |
| [14:18:34] | directhex: | lots |
| [14:18:37] | jheizer: | ok, I have a log of teh commflag running here http://pastebin.com/m20f19fc1 |
| [14:20:46] | justinh: | jheizer: you know some kinds of commflag only work during recording |
| [14:21:49] | directhex: | justinh, he wants to rebuild the seektable |
| [14:21:50] | gbee: | Dibblah: well so far only plugins have been done – mythnews, mythflix, mythweather, mythgallery, mythcontrols |
| [14:21:56] | jheizer: | justinh: just trying to rebuild a seektable |
| [14:22:00] | justinh: | ah ok |
| [14:22:04] | directhex: | gbee, mythweather? yay, that one sucked |
| [14:22:07] | Dibblah: | jheizer: I believe I've seen this before. Something to do with GOP_BYFRAME? |
| [14:22:14] | jheizer: | it will skip now, but only a few times and it a complete mess |
| [14:22:47] | Dibblah: | Yeah. http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2007-June/055711.html |
| [14:23:01] | gbee: | directhex: none of the converted screens look much different, I just did a straight conversion, I haven't re-themed them to take advantage of mythui yet |
| [14:24:07] | Dibblah: | Some comments were made at the time that this is code specific to IVTV recordings, ISTR. |
| [14:24:25] | Dibblah: | And that BYFRAME isn't supported in current firmware anyway. |
| [14:24:32] | Dibblah: | But I could be wrong. |
| [14:24:56] | jheizer: | hmmm "When using mythcommflag --rebuild on an ATSC-sourced MPEG2 recording, |
| [14:24:58] | jheizer: | this results in a totally broken positionmap, since ATSC keyframes come |
| [14:24:59] | jheizer: | in at irregular intervals. " http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/274285 |
| [14:25:17] | Dibblah: | That's not completely true. |
| [14:25:27] | jheizer: | talks about trying "mythtranscode --buildindex" |
| [14:25:46] | Dibblah: | For a start, GOPs are always variable size. |
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| [14:25:57] | Dibblah: | Not restricted to ATSC. |
| [14:26:02] | jheizer: | haha |
| [14:26:13] | justinh: | somebody should tell our developers that at work |
| [14:26:22] | Dibblah: | ...? |
| [14:26:41] | Dibblah: | If you have control of the encoder, you can enforce it on both ends. |
| [14:26:46] | Dibblah: | And everything is happy. |
| [14:26:48] | justinh: | about GOPs being allowed to be variable sizes |
| [14:26:57] | Dibblah: | If not, you're asking for a World Of Hurt. |
| [14:27:30] | Dibblah: | There's valid reasons for doing fixed GOP sizes. |
| [14:27:46] | Dibblah: | ... Especially if you're doing FPGAs with limited gate counts. |
| [14:28:26] | Dibblah: | And if you have FPGAs with unlimited gate counts, I want to borrow your time machine. |
| [14:28:31] | justinh: | oh yeah you mean shitty codecs that can only do CIF @ 15fps |
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| [14:31:29] | jheizer: | well, trying a mythtranscode --buildindex anyway |
| [14:31:43] | jheizer: | worse off will set her down in front of a pc |
| [14:31:50] | Dibblah: | jheizer: Yeah. Sometimes that works better. |
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| [14:33:04] | jheizer: | wonder what made it croak during recording, was messed up when she went to start it an hour into the recording |
| [14:34:32] | justinh: | m\set_term\ffff |
| [14:34:34] | justinh: | oops |
| [14:35:26] | jheizer: | well, 5 minutes and still at 0% |
| [14:35:56] | jheizer: | running 17.5–20fps |
| [14:36:01] | Dibblah: | jheizer: Advert break? |
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| [14:37:33] | jheizer: | not sure |
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| [14:43:28] | iamlindoro: | Nice, dev channel just got the most clueless question EVAR |
| [14:43:42] | alexvd: | does any no if a irc channel exists for lirc? |
| [14:43:49] | alexvd: | know |
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| [14:43:56] | iamlindoro: | Name retained to incriminate the guilty: |
| [14:43:57] | iamlindoro: | bacaci: hi all, does mythtv have anything to do with ancient norse mythology? |
| [14:44:34] | gbee: | alexvd: #lirc |
| [14:44:44] | alexvd: | gbee: thanks |
| [14:45:03] | gbee: | it's just a bit quiet |
| [14:45:36] | jheizer: | arg, getting a bunch of "2008-05–22 09:45:01.921 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times." running the transcode |
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| [14:45:47] | justinh: | 'a bit quiet' – is that a euphemism for 'the devs don't care' ? |
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| [14:46:24] | iamlindoro: | If the LIRC devs don't care, then that makes two of us |
| [14:47:51] | justinh: | is I can has lirc worky please? |
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| [14:58:40] | Dibblah: | iamlindoro: Bashed. |
| [14:59:04] | iamlindoro: | Dibblah: Hrm? |
| [14:59:16] | Dibblah: | http://bash.org/?863875 |
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| [14:59:33] | iamlindoro: | It's... erm... Pending moderation? |
| [14:59:41] | Dibblah: | Yup. |
| [14:59:49] | Dibblah: | All comments on Bash are moderated. |
| [14:59:55] | iamlindoro: | Which one? |
| [14:59:59] | iamlindoro: | I'm confused |
| [15:00:17] | Dibblah: | The #mythtv – Am I In The Right Universe question. |
| [15:00:36] | iamlindoro: | oh ok |
| [15:00:38] | iamlindoro: | I see |
| [15:00:40] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [15:01:07] | psofa: | anyone knows where in the mysql tables are the settings that control the xrandr behavior? |
| [15:01:21] | justinh: | settings table :) |
| [15:01:29] | Dibblah: | mythconverg.settings |
| [15:01:33] | psofa: | ty |
| [15:01:51] | Dibblah: | psofa: Or just override the particular setting on the command line. |
| [15:02:28] | Dibblah: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Override_settings |
| [15:02:58] | Dibblah: | mythfrontend -O worky=YesPlease! |
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| [15:03:05] | psofa: | ty |
| [15:03:10] | justinh: | omg teh rolfs! http://bash.org/?858690 |
| [15:03:49] | Dibblah: | Yup. That's about the level of bash.org. |
| [15:04:21] | jheizer: | ok, the --buildindex was taking forever so I was just going to dump it to an xvid, well... "processed: 1932 of 2077035 frames at 28.00 fps (0.09%, eta: 20h 35m 10s)" |
| [15:04:47] | directhex: | someone needs moar mhz |
| [15:04:55] | iamlindoro: | MOAR MEGUHHURTZ |
| [15:05:05] | jheizer: | isn't 2 million frames a bit too much for 2 hours of video? |
| [15:05:18] | jheizer: | at 28fps I should be basically live speeds |
| [15:05:50] | psofa: | 2008-05–22 17:55:26.859 SwitchToGUI: xrandr failed for 1280 x 768 <- howver i can switch to this mode fine using xrandr with the same user |
| [15:06:12] | psofa: | also DisplaResX: Desired Resolution and FrameRate not found. |
| [15:07:06] | psofa: | err |
| [15:07:10] | psofa: | fuck nm |
| [15:07:13] | psofa: | so careless |
| [15:07:16] | psofa: | :) |
| [15:11:21] | nick_fn: | Is it possible to type into the frontend the number of minutes to seek to when viewing a recording? |
| [15:11:25] | jheizer: | ok, am I just crazy 2077035frames / 30fps / 60sec / 60 min = 19.2 hours? |
| [15:11:58] | jheizer: | even if it was 60fps I would be at 9.6 hours |
| [15:12:25] | directhex: | do you really think that frame count is accurate? |
| [15:12:55] | jheizer: | bah, good point |
| [15:13:45] | justinh: | nick_fn: 5 rightarrow will seek 5 minutes forwards |
| [15:13:59] | jheizer: | dual athlon XPs just ain't what they use to be |
| [15:14:09] | nick_fn: | justinh: ah, that's great, thank you! |
| [15:16:46] | justinh: | remember folks, numbers can go down as well as up – oh and they may also form Numberwang |
| [15:17:26] | justinh: | numberwang on mythfrontend causes segfaults, so be careful |
| [15:21:24] | quicksilver: | what's really worrying is when you turn on your frontend at exactly the wrong time in the middle of the night. |
| [15:21:30] | quicksilver: | That's WANGERNUMB |
| [15:21:33] | quicksilver: | and it explodes. |
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| [15:26:24] | justinh: | if the time mythwelcome sets nvram wakeup to is numberwang that can also happen |
| [15:26:38] | justinh: | hence why I've never used mythwelcome |
| [15:26:40] | gbee: | backlash against Debian seems to be building, suggestions that Ubuntu will start severing ties, general disquiet that packagers are f'ing with code etc |
| [15:27:32] | justinh: | ETOOBIGFORBOOTS ? |
| [15:27:36] | directhex: | gbee, i'm not seeing anything of the sort. what's your source? |
| [15:28:12] | gbee: | mostly just comments on news items about the SSL fiasco e.g. The Register |
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| [15:28:43] | directhex: | i would take anything on the register with a metric tonne of salt |
| [15:28:48] | directhex: | especially the comments section |
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| [15:30:25] | gbee: | true, I'm not giving it a huge amount of credit, but I've not seen the level of anger involved here for a while so I doubt this is just the outpourings of a bunch of cranks |
| [15:31:21] | gbee: | we've only seen the tip of the iceberg really, a lot of admins are just starting to discover the amount of work and cost that this has caused them |
| [15:31:34] | directhex: | mmm, planet debian had its outpouring and is mostly quiet now. planet ubuntu only mentioned it a little |
| [15:31:54] | justinh: | cue conspiracies that RedHat is responsible :) |
| [15:31:56] | directhex: | i still need to reissue some SSL certs. it's on my TODO |
| [15:31:56] | gbee: | may it will all blow over – who knows, but I don' think it will end here |
| [15:32:17] | quicksilver: | I would take comments anywhere with a grain of salt :) |
| [15:32:23] | gbee: | people have been moaning about Debian packagers for a while |
| [15:32:31] | quicksilver: | it was a mistake, mistakes happen, even in important security software. |
| [15:32:32] | kormoc: | justinh, you don't know how true that is |
| [15:32:43] | quicksilver: | with open source at least otehr people can spot the mistake. |
| [15:32:53] | quicksilver: | god know how many similar mistakes lurk within closed source apps. |
| [15:33:09] | gbee: | quicksilver: it wasn't a mistake, it incompetence |
| [15:33:16] | quicksilver: | people have been moaning about debian packagers since the day the first debian package was released. |
| [15:33:17] | gbee: | was |
| [15:33:24] | quicksilver: | and they will continue to be. |
| [15:33:27] | gbee: | :) |
| [15:33:32] | quicksilver: | on the other hand, plenty of people find the distro useful ;) |
| [15:33:33] | kormoc: | justinh, some guy on a mailing list started slamming redhat cause they didn't send out a security update like ubuntu, and thus he concluded that redhat had to have known about it and fixed it sliently awhile ago and left ubuntu take the heat, cause they hate ubuntu |
| [15:34:03] | justinh: | so what if they had? |
| [15:34:19] | directhex: | gbee, the change was OK'd by the openssl team. revisionist approaches to history like blaming the package maintainer for not posting to a secret mailing list not mentioned anywhere in the docs or openssl website are... silly |
| [15:35:17] | kormoc: | justinh, well, in his mind, they were playing non-fair to not alert ubuntu of it |
| [15:35:21] | quicksilver: | I'm not really sure incompetence and mistakes are different. |
| [15:35:25] | quicksilver: | it was a mistake. |
| [15:35:34] | quicksilver: | it was caused by someone not understanding the ramifications of some code |
| [15:35:42] | quicksilver: | failing to understand the ramifications of some code is incompetent. |
| [15:35:48] | quicksilver: | I don't think that makes it not a mistake, though :) |
| [15:35:53] | quicksilver: | many mistakes are caused by incompetence. |
| [15:35:56] | gbee: | directhex: no it wasn't, it was out of context, one guy said it _seemed_ ok and then the packager went on to change a second line (which definately wasn't ok) |
| [15:36:50] | directhex: | gbee, so an error was made. as quicksilver pointed out, how many similar errors are found in commercial apps, yet never discovered? |
| [15:36:54] | gbee: | I'm of the opinion that packagers shouldn't be modifying code – someone else summed it up when they said that packagers modifying code was a loophole in quality control since there is little oversight |
| [15:38:11] | gbee: | incompetence is someone making a change which they didn't understand and hadn't the experience to make – the email he sent to the ssl list said something like "I don't understand this but" |
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| [15:39:24] | gbee: | I can forgive mistakes and even this one, especially since it doesn't affect me at all, but lets not try and pretend that this wasn't preventable or harmless |
| [15:39:46] | gbee: | anyway, not really enjoying this subject, so I'll let it go ;) |
| [15:40:11] | MACscr: | is minimyth part of the official mythtv line? I basically looking for a HTPC os that I can run from a usb thumb drive |
| [15:40:42] | justinh: | MACscr: nope |
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| [15:40:54] | gbee: | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security_holes.png |
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| [15:41:54] | MACscr: | justinh: any recommendations? |
| [15:42:00] | kormoc: | gbee, http://xkcd.com/221/ |
| [15:42:38] | gbee: | heh |
| [15:43:55] | justinh: | MACscr: none of the mythtv distros are endorsed by mythtv.org |
| [15:44:03] | directhex: | they contain... PACKAGES! |
| [15:44:09] | justinh: | pick one which supports your hardware & go with it |
| [15:44:17] | directhex: | the only way to be sure is building from version control |
| [15:45:55] | justinh: | minimyth only supports a limited range of hardware but they're generally open to requests |
| [15:46:08] | justinh: | and it's only for a frontend |
| [15:46:47] | justinh: | as for anything else – it's easy to install linux onto a usb stick – and you can put anything you want on it software-wise |
| [15:46:53] | kormoc: | directhex, and people wonder why I love Gentoo... Too lazy for LFS, but I've found a nice medium :) |
| [15:47:11] | justinh: | all mediums are charlatans :) |
| [15:47:32] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [15:47:40] | directhex: | kormoc, good thing no ebuilds in gentoo contain a single patch. otherwise your argument would be moot! :o |
| [15:48:07] | kormoc: | directhex, most patches I remove from my tree, or vet myself :) |
| [15:48:24] | kormoc: | directhex, who said I used the official tree! |
| [15:48:37] | directhex: | you have too much time |
| [15:48:39] | justinh: | http://www.hackaday.com/2008/05/20/multitouch . . . ojection-tv/ – nifty DIY |
| [15:48:52] | kormoc: | directhex, nah, just obsessive |
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| [16:18:47] | cal_: | does anyone have time warner and know if they can get *any* digital hd channels without the cable box (unencrypted) ? |
| [16:20:29] | iamlindoro: | Unless you find someone who lives on the same block as you to answer that question, anyone with TWC's answer will be useless to you |
| [16:20:49] | iamlindoro: | Since headend encryption policies vary from headend to headend |
| [16:21:42] | iamlindoro: | So I'll just tell you that, anecdotally, there are SOME TWC subscribers on SOME headends that get local and network channes unencrypted. |
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| [16:25:46] | cal_: | iamlindoro: okay, that is a good enough answer, i just kinda wondered if it is possible I may get at least some unencrypted channels. |
| [16:26:40] | iamlindoro: | In general, most people get local and network TV because the companies are required to leave them unencrypted. Usually, everything else or most of it is encrypted |
| [16:26:49] | cal_: | iam: both time warner and u-verse just got rolled out in our area, so i had to decide which one to get, basicly deciding which would be easier to use with mythtv. |
| [16:27:23] | cal_: | i asked the install guy these questions, he was utterly clueless heh |
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| [16:27:55] | iamlindoro: | Well with uverse you can *only* capture an analog signal, soooo |
| [16:28:04] | cal_: | all i could get out of him was 'you need a cable box to get channels above 100" |
| [16:28:22] | cal_: | yeah, thats why i went with time warner |
| [16:28:55] | cal_: | it was so much simpler with the old cable company. i got all channels, without a cable box. |
| [16:29:20] | cal_: | now i may have to do the 2-cablebox-thing to be able to watch something and record something else. big pain hehe |
| [16:31:01] | cal_: | and to top it off, they dont have HD cable boxes because scientific atlanta hasnt provided them yet. they could be in next week, or could be in next year. so to get HD i *have* to get one of their dvr's instead of a cable box for now. arrrg. |
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| [16:33:02] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro: you are in the bay area? |
| [16:33:20] | iamlindoro: | Not currently, but usually, yes. |
| [16:33:37] | fryfrog: | did you tell me a certain chan that isn't 5C? |
| [16:33:45] | fryfrog: | I got a pair of DCH-3200 from the cable office |
| [16:34:06] | iamlindoro: | Well there's lots where I am, but 65 is usually a good bet, that's Court TV |
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| [16:34:20] | iamlindoro: | Have never seen that with 5C on |
| [16:34:40] | fryfrog: | what type of hd tuners did you have? |
| [16:34:58] | cal_: | you mean TrueTV ;) |
| [16:35:06] | iamlindoro: | 3200 and 3416 |
| [16:35:18] | fryfrog: | and the 3200 worked nicely? |
| [16:35:38] | fryfrog: | firewire_tester is not doing the broadcast fix at all :/ |
| [16:35:40] | iamlindoro: | yup |
| [16:36:06] | iamlindoro: | Souns like you may live in an extraordinarily unlucky spot in the bay |
| [16:39:14] | cal_: | hey iamlindoro, could i use this? http://www.timewarnercable.com/northeastohio/ . . . blecard.html |
| [16:39:34] | iamlindoro: | The only thing you can use a cable card in is a Set Top Box |
| [16:39:46] | mkrufky: | i saw time warner cable and cablecard in the same sentence and almost had a heart attack |
| [16:39:48] | iamlindoro: | at least, if you intend to use it in myth |
| [16:39:57] | fryfrog: | I may just have to get a pair of those new haupage usb devices. You gotten yours yet? |
| [16:39:57] | cal_: | but but but wouldnt it be cool if i could plug that into my mythtv box =) |
| [16:39:58] | mkrufky: | no such thing in nyx |
| [16:40:00] | mkrufky: | nyc |
| [16:40:16] | AndyCap: | O'rly? "There are limitations to a CableCARDâ„¢ connection" |
| [16:40:26] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog: Nobody has. Still waiting. |
| [16:40:42] | cal_: | iamlindoro, by set top box you just mean a 3rd party cable box, instead of using time warner's cable box? |
| [16:40:52] | iamlindoro: | I mean TWC's box |
| [16:40:54] | cal_: | which doesnt really help me in the end |
| [16:41:08] | iamlindoro: | nope, CableCard is DOA |
| [16:41:27] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [16:41:29] | iamlindoro: | and utterly useless for all myth purposes, for ever and ever, world without end, amen. |
| [16:41:29] | cal_: | huh? i can either get thier cablebox, or cablecard. |
| [16:41:51] | fryfrog: | cal_: he means you'll never have cable card working in linux |
| [16:41:52] | iamlindoro: | cal_: When you get their box, it will have a cable card in it, more than likely |
| [16:41:53] | fryfrog: | only windows |
| [16:42:26] | cal_: | not possible to reverse engineer the cable card to get a driver working for it in linux? |
| [16:42:33] | cal_: | what is it, pcmcia? |
| [16:42:41] | iamlindoro: | or such a thing can be used in a Tivo HD or in the one and only cable card tuner for windows only so long as you buy said tuner card as a part of an entire Microsoft approved HTPC |
| [16:42:59] | iamlindoro: | and no, there will NEVER EVER EVER be a linux cablecard implementation |
| [16:43:05] | iamlindoro: | now go write one and prove me wrong |
| [16:43:16] | cal_: | i am sure its encrypted up the ass =) |
| [16:43:17] | mkrufky: | intercept the kernel demux |
| [16:43:28] | iamlindoro: | very yes |
| [16:43:54] | mkrufky: | something nice back home + captions was useless |
| [16:43:55] | fryfrog: | now i wonder if it is due to me having ubuntu 8.10 :/ |
| [16:44:04] | mkrufky: | cabin fever + captions was a little less useless, fyi iamlindoro |
| [16:44:06] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog: It's not |
| [16:44:10] | fryfrog: | ok |
| [16:44:10] | cal_: | but so was the xbox. that was hacked when it 'couldnt be done'. so one can hope. |
| [16:44:18] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: oh yeah? Cool, looking forward to it |
| [16:44:30] | iamlindoro: | cal_: Nobody ever called the xbox uncrackable |
| [16:44:34] | mkrufky: | yea |
| [16:44:47] | AndyCap: | only oracle is unbreakable. :P |
| [16:45:01] | cal_: | iamlindoro: we just need to find something to buffer overflow in the cablecard. LOL |
| [16:46:04] | cal_: | cablecard: "Access analog, digital cable, HDTV and premium cable channels like HBO, Cinemax and more – without a digital set-top box." .. oh well, it sure sounded good at first. |
| [16:46:34] | iamlindoro: | if hacking the xbox was riding a bicycle, writing a linux cablecard implementation from scratch is driving a corvette down a busy street with nothing but your own flaccid penis while juggling slippery hamster placentas |
| [16:46:54] | iamlindoro: | while on fire |
| [16:47:23] | iamlindoro: | "So you're telling me there's a chance!" |
| [16:47:28] | ** AndyCap suspects iamlindoro is overestimating it. ** | |
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| [16:47:52] | cal_: | hehe |
| [16:48:15] | iamlindoro: | I think it would be FAR easier to write a Softcam like implementation for Cable that it would be to try to decipher cablecard |
| [16:48:20] | iamlindoro: | er than it |
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| [16:48:51] | AndyCap: | there is one problem with drm systems. Recipient and attacker are the same |
| [16:49:47] | cal_: | well what about this... *if* you could get it working in Wine (you said it worked in windows), that would be a huge step forward, one could sniff the stream |
| [16:50:05] | iamlindoro: | It's not an application to be run in wine |
| [16:50:06] | AndyCap: | cal_: no. it worked in certified windows installations. |
| [16:50:26] | AndyCap: | with the whole tvcard, protected bda etc getup |
| [16:50:27] | cal_: | ahh. so virtualbox or vmware. |
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| [16:50:45] | cal_: | ghost the certified install into one of those. |
| [16:51:03] | AndyCap: | cal_: heh. requiring a TPM would fix that |
| [16:51:18] | iamlindoro: | cal_: I promise you will not come up with anything off the top of your head that hasn't been thought of and rendered useless |
| [16:51:43] | cal_: | oh yeah, i am sure. just bored. =) |
| [16:51:59] | AndyCap: | http://arstechnica.com/guides/other/cablecard.ars |
| [16:52:09] | cal_: | i know other things have been hacked in these ways. wine especially. |
| [16:52:19] | AndyCap: | cal_: not hardware |
| [16:52:28] | iamlindoro: | cal_: wine doesn't run windows drivers |
| [16:52:50] | cal_: | yup, the the linux driver for the first 100meg zippy drive was reverse engineered from using wine. |
| [16:53:15] | AndyCap: | wine? I doubt it. |
| [16:53:24] | clever: | maybe a userspace driver |
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| [16:54:54] | iamlindoro: | He means the dev was drrrrrunk |
| [16:54:54] | AndyCap: | Hehe, dunno if ppa was that bad |
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| [17:02:53] | cal_: | iamlindoro: do you have multiple cableboxes plugged into multiple mythtv tuners? whats your setup? |
| [17:03:32] | iamlindoro: | My setup is atypical in that my local comcast headend is not staffed by no dick ninnies |
| [17:04:36] | cal_: | lucky bastad =) |
| [17:04:40] | iamlindoro: | So I record the 60 or so Clear QAM channels I get on two QAM tuners, and record everything else in sweet, glorious digital streams via the functional firewire ports on my two set top boxes and Comcast in my area leaving all but two channels wide open via firewire |
| [17:05:12] | clever: | nice |
| [17:05:43] | cal_: | QAM? |
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| [17:06:02] | iamlindoro: | cal_: QAM = the modulation technique used for digital cable |
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| [17:06:23] | iamlindoro: | as google would have you believe had you been inclined to try it |
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| [17:07:22] | cal_: | yeah i need to research that didnt know i need a seperate "QAM" card for digital cable. have a pcHDTV card now. |
| [17:07:39] | |DuReX|: | any id's why my display is shocking a lil bit every second |
| [17:07:48] | iamlindoro: | a pcHDTV card is a QAM tuner |
| [17:07:50] | |DuReX|: | it goes up & down like 1mm every second |
| [17:08:16] | cal_: | oh, so OTA must be QAM too then. cause it works for that too =) |
| [17:08:23] | iamlindoro: | cal_: No |
| [17:08:49] | iamlindoro: | It *also* happens to be able to tune OTA ATSC signals |
| [17:08:57] | cal_: | ahh |
| [17:09:15] | iamlindoro: | More or less the same type of digital streams on two modulation types |
| [17:09:35] | cal_: | ok that makes more sense |
| [17:09:37] | iamlindoro: | 8VSB for OTA, QAM for Digital cable systems |
| [17:12:07] | cal_: | i need to check my new cablebox when i get home and see if it has a firewire connection |
| [17:12:14] | ** cal_ looks for a mythtv firewire howto. ** | |
| [17:12:46] | gbee: | DVB uses QAM, not to be confused with QAM256 (the poorly chosen name for the US cable 'standard') |
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| [17:14:10] | cal_: | now gbeee just confused me |
| [17:14:21] | cal_: | iam said QAM does not happen OTA |
| [17:14:35] | kormoc: | cal_, OTA != DVB |
| [17:14:37] | cal_: | but when I use OTA on my pcHDTV i chose the DVB drop down |
| [17:14:53] | cal_: | and gbee says DVB uses QAM |
| [17:15:12] | cal_: | so if OTA -> DVB -> QAM.. them OTA -> QAM |
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| [17:19:38] | kormoc: | cal_, uhh |
| [17:20:09] | kormoc: | cal_, DVB is for satalites and the like. You're just lucky the the card fixes your misconfig for you |
| [17:21:29] | kormoc: | cal_, in the US, the only DVB out there is DVB-S, and you are not using it for OTA, you're capturing ATSC for OTA |
| [17:21:44] | kormoc: | cal_, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATSC_Standards |
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| [17:23:44] | kormoc: | cal_, also see, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTV_transition#United_States |
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| [17:26:56] | gbee: | DVB is used for Terrestrial, Satellite and Cable by most countries, however the US uses a mix of standards ATSC, QAM256 and DVB-S |
| [17:27:15] | clever: | they just HAVE to be diff:P |
| [17:28:50] | kormoc: | clever, Canada also is included with the US standard mix |
| [17:28:52] | gbee: | DVB-T, DVB-C and DVB-S are the respective standards for Terrestrial, Cable and Satellite – mostly identical except for the transmission differences |
| [17:28:56] | clever: | lol |
| [17:29:34] | directhex: | and guam! |
| [17:29:39] | directhex: | don't forget the global powerhouse of guam |
| [17:29:53] | directhex: | and i think south korea uses atsc too |
| [17:29:56] | gbee: | ATSC, DVB and QAM256 all having some things in common, such as their use and basis on mpeg transport streams |
| [17:32:36] | gbee: | a couple of South American countries have trialed ATSC, but they seem to be leaning towards the third option – ISDB (invented in Japan iirc, even though Japan use DVB) |
| [17:33:24] | gbee: | nope, Japan mostly uses ISDB with small pockets of DVB |
| [17:33:25] | directhex: | dvb-t2! |
| [17:34:24] | gbee: | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons . . . tandards.svg |
| [17:35:01] | directhex: | dvb-t2! |
| [17:36:37] | Dagmar: | directhex: Hey, is there any place in the frontend setup you know of where uPnP can be disabled? |
| [17:37:02] | directhex: | Dagmar, doubt it. why? |
| [17:37:43] | Dagmar: | directhex: Because I'm still having the issue with mine not doing any uPnP, and I didn't disable it in the configure script (I know that much for sure) |
| [17:38:31] | Dagmar: | I've done the tcpdump thing, I've started the frontend with -v pnp... so I know that a) the packets ARE getting there, b) the frontend IS seeing the * requests, and c) it ain't responding |
| [17:39:13] | directhex: | GreyFoxx is the man to molest over upnp issues |
| [17:39:25] | Dagmar: | I'm going to do a new 0.21-fixes build tonight, and if that doesn't sort it, I'm just going to backup the db, blow it away, and start clean, see if that works, and diff 'em it does |
| [17:40:05] | gbee: | also worth pointing out that ATSC means HD in the US, DVB however is used for both SD and HD replacing analogue broadcasting entirely |
| [17:40:31] | Dagmar: | gbee: Maybe time to put a diagram in the wiki like the OSI 7-layer cake |
| [17:40:47] | gbee: | heh |
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| [17:43:53] | jduggan: | gbee: how was that cheap case, after? |
| [17:44:01] | jduggan: | i didnt ask how you found it |
| [17:44:29] | jduggan: | recommend it? |
| [17:44:39] | gbee: | definately, I really like it |
| [17:44:50] | gbee: | planning to get a second one |
| [17:44:57] | jduggan: | any pics of the completed setup? :) |
| [17:45:40] | gbee: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/build/ |
| [17:46:07] | gbee: | reminds me that I was going to take a picture of it in position under the TV |
| [17:46:49] | justinh: | you should see the gallery on mythtvtalk.com – what passes for living conditions in some places.. yeesh |
| [17:49:15] | justinh: | if you're going to take pics of your setup (like you might if you feel proud of it), TIDY UP ;) |
| [17:50:08] | gbee: | hehe |
| [17:50:51] | kormoc: | justinh, those have been tidied up :P |
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| [17:53:27] | gbee: | btw, I underestimated the CPU, the X2 3600+ will manage BBC HD but requires tweaking and optimised builds for smooth playback, if I did it again I'd pay an extra £10 and get a 4600 or something |
| [17:55:51] | justinh: | have yet to try to play HD in mythfrontend on my new frontend. mplayer copes fine even with deinterlacing so i think myth will be ok too |
| [17:56:22] | jduggan: | justinh: you built yet another new frontend? |
| [17:56:25] | justinh: | cross that bridge when I come to it I reckon. and worst case scenario just slip it some MOAR MHZ |
| [17:56:29] | jduggan: | or is this the oldnew frontend :) |
| [17:56:39] | justinh: | when I say 'new' I mean the oldnew... the epia replacement |
| [17:56:43] | jduggan: | nod |
| [17:57:13] | jduggan: | i think 3600+ was optimistic for HD ;) |
| [17:57:34] | justinh: | aww bless loads of man-utd supporters in far flung places are whining about their sly plus missing the penalties. bless :D |
| [17:57:44] | jduggan: | hah |
| [17:57:54] | jduggan: | what happened with sky? |
| [17:58:04] | justinh: | the box does as it's told |
| [17:58:14] | justinh: | if the EPG doesn't get updated with new show lengths.. |
| [17:58:24] | ajh: | all of a sudden myth is dying with a memory corruption error on the front-end |
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| [17:58:53] | ** justinh suspects the checksum of all memory locations came to numberwang, hence the error ** | |
| [17:58:54] | jduggan: | justinh: oh, sky+ problem? |
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| [17:59:26] | justinh: | jduggan: some EPG monkey problem, yeah |
| [17:59:45] | justinh: | it'd either be that or da wevver |
| [18:00:06] | directhex: | gbee, who said a 3600+ was enough? |
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| [18:00:21] | gbee: | directhex: no-one |
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| [18:01:20] | gbee: | but I gambled that if a Core 2 Duo @ 2Ghz managed, so could a 3600 @ 2Ghz – and it does pretty well, I just had tweak some settings |
| [18:01:22] | justinh: | better make it clear that a 3600+ will be enough for lame HDTV in mpeg2 at <20Mbits/sec – just not h.264 |
| [18:02:08] | gbee: | justinh: manages BBC h.264 |
| [18:02:10] | justinh: | I can't even remember the CPU I have in my frontend now. I think it's 1.83Ghz C2D |
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| [18:02:29] | justinh: | gbee: yeah but you're not using generic x86 packages ;) |
| [18:02:38] | gbee: | yeah true |
| [18:02:47] | jduggan: | gbee: what settings needed to be tweaked? |
| [18:03:13] | gbee: | hell my old single core Turion @ 1.6Ghz can manage HD mpeg2 |
| [18:03:22] | gbee: | jduggan: |
| [18:03:27] | gbee: | heh |
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| [18:03:54] | justinh: | ./configure --usual-stuff --do-not-suck-at-h.264 |
| [18:04:00] | jduggan: | heh |
| [18:04:08] | jduggan: | i might build a similar box |
| [18:04:14] | gbee: | the deblocking filter needs turning off or to a lower level and I built with --tune=k8-sse3 |
| [18:04:23] | jduggan: | for £130 or so you cant go wrong really |
| [18:04:28] | gbee: | plus a release build compared to my normal debugging buid |
| [18:04:35] | justinh: | the whole tuning options thing just sends my head into a whirl |
| [18:04:53] | jduggan: | i have ram, disk, and possibly PSU |
| [18:04:55] | justinh: | I wish they'd make aliases for CPU models |
| [18:05:01] | jduggan: | should be less? |
| [18:05:02] | jduggan: | :o |
| [18:05:03] | gbee: | jduggan: as I noted, that price didn't include the bits I had from the old backend – the drives and tuners |
| [18:05:20] | jduggan: | gbee: i dont need tuners, just a HD capable frontend.. |
| [18:05:30] | jduggan: | gbee: i could even do diskless if push came to shove |
| [18:05:40] | justinh: | then again I don't remember tweaking the build of mplayer |
| [18:05:49] | jduggan: | my p4 3.06ghz is lacking grunt |
| [18:05:49] | Penfold: | justinh: you need to hack that option into configure :) |
| [18:06:09] | justinh: | Penfold: meaning? |
| [18:06:15] | jduggan: | mplayers configure does a pretty good job of optimising builds |
| [18:06:22] | gbee: | you could probably get a smaller case if you don't need to fit the drives and cards in there, not that that case is oversized IMHO, but it's twice the height of a Sky box (for example) |
| [18:06:24] | Penfold: | --do-not-suck-at-h.264 :) |
| [18:06:47] | justinh: | jduggan: my LC02 case doesn't have enough headroom for a good HSF |
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| [18:07:27] | ** Penfold needs to find a decent small case that'll take this nice PCIe fanless DVI graphics card wot I have. ** | |
| [18:07:44] | justinh: | I had to skimp & hack.. and RPM the fan way down. better coolers are too tall for the bracket which holds the slimline optical drive |
| [18:07:55] | gbee: | I've yet to see how it copes with broadcast BBC HD (I've only got samples from the trial which are at a higher bitrate) and of course ITV HD |
| [18:07:58] | jduggan: | D: |
| [18:08:09] | jduggan: | there are ITV HD samples? |
| [18:08:15] | justinh: | tempted to try that watercooled doozy – all selfcontained. expensive but if it does the biz :D |
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| [18:08:39] | justinh: | Viv Windsor in HD.. EEK! |
| [18:08:40] | gbee: | jduggan: somewhere I guess, but I've not seen any yet – I'll get some online when the DVB-S card arrives tomorrow |
| [18:08:58] | jduggan: | oh wow, ITV HD launched? |
| [18:09:03] | justinh: | jduggan: no |
| [18:09:06] | justinh: | still testing |
| [18:09:13] | gbee: | it's broadcasting but as a trial atm |
| [18:09:19] | jduggan: | still |
| [18:09:21] | justinh: | they're showing actual shows but not officially launced yet |
| [18:09:31] | jduggan: | its quite tempting for me to invest in dvbs |
| [18:09:33] | justinh: | and then there'll be TWO channels! |
| [18:09:42] | gbee: | when it launches it will be FreeSat only – not available through Sky/Cable etc |
| [18:09:50] | justinh: | two whole HDTV channels! :-O |
| [18:09:59] | jduggan: | justinh: plus channel 4 |
| [18:10:03] | justinh: | it's like the arrival of colour TV all over again |
| [18:10:07] | gbee: | C4 by the end of the year |
| [18:10:09] | justinh: | jduggan: C4 HD isn't FTA |
| [18:10:12] | justinh: | yet |
| [18:10:17] | jduggan: | i didnt say HD |
| [18:10:18] | jduggan: | :) |
| [18:10:27] | gbee: | and I suspect others will follow pretty quickly after that |
| [18:10:32] | jduggan: | but i was holding out for C4+five and the HD channels etc |
| [18:10:51] | justinh: | may aswell hold out a wee bit longer |
| [18:10:56] | justinh: | nothing spoiling |
| [18:10:59] | ajh: | ok, so mythfrontend is dying randomly, but my kernel builds don't sig-11 |
| [18:11:12] | justinh: | ITVHD already has a ticket open for it |
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| [18:11:20] | gbee: | jduggan: if you can hold out then do, they'll switch to DVB-S2 at some point and you'll need to upgrade again anyway |
| [18:11:33] | jduggan: | dvbt is pretty poor quality here... aerial installation people want 160quid to install it because i need a 10ft mast on my chimney.. not really something im willing to do myself either |
| [18:11:46] | jduggan: | dvbs is easy for anyone to install |
| [18:11:59] | justinh: | how much is it to hire a cherry picker for half a day? |
| [18:11:59] | gbee: | true |
| [18:12:05] | jduggan: | and i can dump my virgin stb |
| [18:12:26] | jduggan: | which i must say, has been very reliable as a recording source |
| [18:12:27] | justinh: | we only use ours for live tv now |
| [18:12:31] | jduggan: | ive never had an issue |
| [18:12:44] | justinh: | EPG keeps failing on it |
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| [18:13:01] | jduggan: | i could see that would be a pain, should you be using it as a real stb |
| [18:13:06] | justinh: | oh and it sometimes needs rebooted to cure the 'every channel the same' problem |
| [18:13:14] | jduggan: | heh |
| [18:13:16] | gbee: | on-demand stuff from virgin is nice to have, even if it doesn't get used that often |
| [18:13:27] | justinh: | the bbc iplayer on there is niiiice |
| [18:13:37] | jduggan: | i use the iplayer online |
| [18:13:40] | jduggan: | the flash |
| [18:13:41] | justinh: | so's their on-demand stuff. better picture Q than broadcast too |
| [18:13:48] | jduggan: | not amazing quality |
| [18:13:53] | jduggan: | but niec when i want to catch up |
| [18:14:00] | jduggan: | even @ full screen |
| [18:14:03] | justinh: | VM are planning to go all IPTV ya know |
| [18:14:13] | jduggan: | oh really |
| [18:14:15] | justinh: | that'll nix the pirates |
| [18:14:24] | jduggan: | heh |
| [18:14:29] | justinh: | they've been trialling it & start rollout next year |
| [18:15:04] | justinh: | if only on-demand films were better value... |
| [18:15:22] | Dagmar: | If only OnDemand systems actually _worked_ |
| [18:15:30] | justinh: | Dagmar: over here, they do :) |
| [18:15:44] | justinh: | the UI sucks but every STB UI sucks |
| [18:15:48] | Dagmar: | I'm about to start learning on Comcast here *hard* |
| [18:16:06] | Dagmar: | I'm tired of hearing my gf complain that OnDemand crashes in the middle of anything she tries to watch |
| [18:16:22] | justinh: | used to happen on the older generation of STB we had |
| [18:16:33] | justinh: | since VM dumped all the shitty Pace boxes it's way better |
| [18:16:47] | gbee: | Dagmar: you've got bad luck I guess, never have a problem with the Virgin STB here |
| [18:16:47] | Dagmar: | This is a city-wide problem |
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| [18:17:20] | balachmar: | Hi, I'm still debugging the mythwelcome thing |
| [18:17:20] | gbee: | Sky used to be worthless whenever it rained – which being England happened quite a bit |
| [18:17:35] | justinh: | but then if companies didn't insist on the rubbish middleware.. life would be better for everybody |
| [18:17:51] | directhex: | gbee, fit an 80cm dish! |
| [18:17:51] | justinh: | gbee: they still are. dishes too small, shoddy installations.. |
| [18:18:22] | directhex: | if i get a dish fitted, i need adiff company to do it. bloody charlatans |
| [18:18:30] | balachmar: | I have now replaced all command by my own script that only put an argument to a file. And throught that I notice that it doesn't run any of the commands! Even though I set the check to exit 0. |
| [18:18:30] | justinh: | I watched a neighbour get Sky installed. didn't even use a blimmin compass |
| [18:18:37] | gbee: | no chance of paying for Sky now, just doesn't offer anything worth having |
| [18:19:11] | justinh: | Sky is only worth having if you want sports and/or the kind of movies blockbuster found they could never rent out |
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| [18:19:31] | justinh: | as in "never heard of it, directed by Never Heard Of Him, starring some z-lister" |
| [18:19:41] | gbee: | I couldn't care less about sports :) |
| [18:19:51] | justinh: | i.e. true unplug-brain-insert-viewing-card |
| [18:19:52] | gbee: | Sports are something you play, not watch |
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| [18:20:25] | justinh: | gbee: unless your own life is so damn worthless you need to catch a glimmer of hope by supporting some 'team' ;) |
| [18:20:35] | directhex: | i saw 2 zombie movies, jaws 3, and some bad porno back to back |
| [18:20:45] | directhex: | THAT was worth having a dish for |
| [18:21:05] | justinh: | they don't half show some stinkers on Sky though |
| [18:21:28] | directhex: | braaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiins |
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| [18:21:53] | justinh: | then again I don't think I'll ever trust uk_rt again after seeing they gave Starship Troopers (the DVD I couldn't be arsed to get up to flip over) FOUR stars |
| [18:22:46] | directhex: | i live in poshland: http://www.upmystreet.com/local/my-neighbours/l/ox16+4qw.html |
| [18:22:50] | gbee: | justinh: I think you've underesimated that film, it's a brilliant satire |
| [18:23:13] | justinh: | gbee: I think what spoiled it was being very annoyed by Denise Richards in adverts before I saw it |
| [18:23:49] | gbee: | it looks terrible, bad acting etc, daft plot, but somehow it works – so long as you take it for what it is |
| [18:24:11] | gbee: | saw it at the cinema |
| [18:24:17] | Dagmar: | So read the book first |
| [18:24:37] | justinh: | directhex: I need to move.. http://www.upmystreet.com/local/my-neighbours/l/m40+3su.html |
| [18:25:10] | balachmar: | read the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy! That was certainly one book I really enjoyed |
| [18:25:15] | balachmar: | or rather 5 |
| [18:25:15] | kormoc: | justinh, girls... cute... violence... explosions... cave man says good... |
| [18:25:45] | justinh: | this cave man says want last hour of my life back! |
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| [18:26:27] | justinh: | balachmar: yeah – the film was *deeply* disappointing as an Adams fan |
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| [18:26:47] | balachmar: | justinh: I also found the film very disappointing... |
| [18:26:57] | directhex: | balachmar, a trilogy in 5 parts |
| [18:26:59] | justinh: | as my wife would say "not worth money to go see, but worth a d******d" |
| [18:27:03] | balachmar: | justinh: Didn't catch the spirit |
| [18:27:48] | justinh: | then again, the TV series wasn't up to snuff either. something to do with the imagination painting better pictures.. |
| [18:28:02] | balachmar: | mmm, I haven;t seen the tv series |
| [18:28:15] | justinh: | it's quirky. worth watching for sure |
| [18:28:18] | directhex: | ultraviolent movie turned into kids' animation? check! |
| [18:28:27] | directhex: | oh wait, you mean HHGTG |
| [18:28:37] | directhex: | i like that just for the eagles track in the intro, if nothing else |
| [18:28:45] | directhex: | but it was gloriously british in design & execution |
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| [18:28:58] | justinh: | the Eagles did that? Wow! I learned something today! |
| [18:29:10] | directhex: | justinh, there are 2 eagles |
| [18:29:23] | directhex: | justinh, the HHGTG intro is by the american band |
| [18:29:28] | justinh: | not the Eagles Hotel california Eagles? |
| [18:29:34] | justinh: | ahh |
| [18:29:42] | justinh: | didn't know there was another Eagles band |
| [18:29:53] | directhex: | do not click, may constitute evil piracy: http://thebigcdomain.com/media/wav/journey.mp3 |
| [18:29:54] | balachmar: | directhex: since you were very helpfull last time. I am still debugging the mythwelcome thing. Ans now all command are replaced by my script that outputs an argument to a file. Every command has a different argument, so I am able to track what commands are executed. however none of the commands are executed! |
| [18:30:12] | kormoc: | Ultraviolet was amazingly caveman oriented. Anything involving Mia Jovovich is yummy yum yum |
| [18:30:39] | ** directhex sends zombies after kormoc ** | |
| [18:30:40] | gbee: | don't think I've seen it |
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| [18:31:03] | kormoc: | gbee, they even come up with a reason why she has unlimited ammo! |
| [18:31:18] | directhex: | this track has it all. space sounds, guitars, strong bass lines, and most importantly, a banjo |
| [18:31:28] | kormoc: | directhex, oh hell, Mia can save me from the zombies anyway, I'd be loving it :) |
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| [18:32:28] | directhex: | kormoc, milla |
| [18:32:49] | kormoc: | directhex, Mia is her nickname, don't you obsessive over every little thing? :P |
| [18:33:21] | directhex: | kormoc, she's very nice, but not my general target for obsessiveness |
| [18:33:47] | kormoc: | directhex, awhile ago, she made fun of Americans over them always saying her name wrong, so she created a new 'nickname' for them to use. I was amused :P |
| [18:34:18] | kormoc: | directhex, and I only know this cause I listened to her cd recently :P |
| [18:34:42] | directhex: | kormoc, curious fact of the day: porn star asia carrera is a big-time UT fan, and has done a bunch of models/skins for the game |
| [18:35:34] | kormoc: | hadees, nice |
| [18:35:37] | kormoc: | whoos |
| [18:35:42] | kormoc: | ha(tab) our of habit |
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| [18:36:03] | balachmar: | mmm, my latest change includes that my script has exit 0 on the end. And now I use it for the check command as well. And although I get the message recieved shutdown_now event there is no output in the given text file... |
| [18:36:43] | directhex: | balachmar, be careful of putting pipes and redirects about – they only work if inside a shell. mythwelcome can't use pipes & redirects when executing things directly |
| [18:37:03] | hadees: | kormoc, i thought someone actually wanted to talk to me |
| [18:37:20] | ** kormoc waves to hadees. ** | |
| [18:37:25] | kormoc: | Hi-ya! How goes it? |
| [18:37:29] | directhex: | e.g. if you shutdown command is "/sbin/cake > lies" that won't work, since it's not in a shell. whereas "/bin/bash '/sbin/cake > lies'" would work |
| [18:37:30] | balachmar: | echo $1 > /home/willem/kijkeens.txt |
| [18:37:30] | balachmar: | exit 0 |
| [18:37:30] | balachmar: | This is my script |
| [18:37:34] | directhex: | hadees, of course not. bugger off |
| [18:37:55] | balachmar: | And the commands are replaced by /home/willem/test.sh check etc. |
| [18:38:15] | directhex: | balachmar, permissions on script, and on text file? |
| [18:39:27] | balachmar: | I just did 777 on the text file. script has a+x |
| [18:39:42] | balachmar: | that was it! |
| [18:39:52] | balachmar: | it wasn't allowed to write in the file :) |
| [18:40:01] | directhex: | i win. mail cake to OX16 4QW |
| [18:41:34] | balachmar: | and now I go and shame myself.... there was actually one thing that I didn't check... The backend (ofcourse :S) runs as a different user.... All the sudo stuff I have set for the wrong user... |
| [18:41:46] | balachmar: | *slams his head on the keyboard... |
| [18:42:12] | directhex: | have some cake. it'll make you feel better |
| [18:42:13] | Dagmar: | hehehe |
| [18:42:25] | directhex: | it's delicious & moist! |
| [18:42:27] | kormoc: | directhex, the cake is a lie, but cupcakes are half truths |
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| [18:43:12] | directhex: | kormoc, how about profiteroles? |
| [18:43:50] | balachmar: | 8 f***ing evening for something this stupid. And I actually should have remembered it! Guys make mythtv worse, so that you need to reinstall it every 6 months or something. That will make me remember stuff like this... |
| [18:44:18] | directhex: | give me remote root, i'll tailor it just for you |
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| [18:45:16] | balachmar: | and add me to your botnet will you! :P |
| [18:46:59] | ** Dagmar would be happy with only resinstalling every six months ** | |
| [18:47:47] | ** directhex would be happy with milla jovovich, as it happens ** | |
| [18:48:02] | balachmar: | @dagmar what are you doing if you reinstall more than once every six months?! |
| [18:48:15] | balachmar: | (by the way if you see me logging off, you know I am happy) |
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| [18:53:29] | leprechau: | why would you reinstall at all? |
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| [18:54:07] | leprechau: | i never reinstall unless something horrid happens like a multiple total hdd failure or something |
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| [18:57:13] | Tomas-_: | second that, upgrade, even dist-upgrade, never reinstall |
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| [19:02:35] | justinh: | depends. I've had mixed luck with dist-upgrade |
| [19:02:43] | justinh: | can be more time-saving to just reinstall |
| [19:03:36] | jduggan: | i hate taking down machines with 600days+ uptime |
| [19:03:50] | directhex: | jduggan, get a freaking kernel security update on there! |
| [19:04:04] | jduggan: | last time we did this, we had to rebuild :o |
| [19:04:05] | jduggan: | directhex: hehe |
| [19:04:14] | directhex: | that reminds me, only 9 days of security support left on our clusters. stupid fucking suse 10.1 |
| [19:04:53] | jduggan: | this is a freebsd ldap box, not externally accessible.. but still ur right |
| [19:05:33] | jduggan: | but 3 staff maintainin 500+ servers, its low on priority list |
| [19:05:36] | jduggan: | :p |
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| [19:10:50] | balachmar_: | just to let everyone know... I'm a happy man! |
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| [19:25:23] | Dagmar: | Hooray to whoever hard-wired the location of libqt-mt.prl in release-0.21-fixes as ../../../../../lib/libqt-mt.prl |
| [19:25:26] | Dagmar: | Very funny. |
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| [19:31:47] | justinh: | sounds like something I'd do |
| [19:32:29] | Dagmar: | Seems to be gone from the tree now, thankfully |
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| [19:41:26] | Tomas-: | justinh: if for example you are running testing, you MUST upgrade at regular interval... but if your using stable then going from stable -> stable is often not a problem |
| [19:41:48] | justinh: | don't run debian |
| [19:41:54] | Tomas-: | debian rocks |
| [19:41:58] | justinh: | says you |
| [19:42:01] | Tomas-: | yes :) |
| [19:42:17] | justinh: | rocks rock |
| [19:42:29] | Tomas-: | with 11 years in the ISP business I have earned the right to do so :) |
| [19:42:48] | justinh: | whatever |
| [19:43:02] | Dagmar: | 11 years? |
| [19:43:06] | jduggan: | your work experience has nothing to do with it |
| [19:43:12] | Dagmar: | Come back when you've learned not to trollbait, noob |
| [19:43:19] | jduggan: | heh |
| [19:43:56] | Tomas-: | lol, yeah right, so my experience, working with this shit for 11 years means nothing when comparing different distros? |
| [19:44:12] | Tomas-: | what does matter, my shoe size? |
| [19:44:14] | jduggan: | i've colleagues who'll tell you solaris rocks, and theyve been in the business 20+ years.. its really irrelevant how long you've been in teh business, its down to preference and what suits the job |
| [19:45:27] | jduggan: | you like apt, joe likes rpm, bob loves to build from source, they've all been in the business 11years, which one has the right to say is best? |
| [19:45:43] | Dagmar: | The guy who started when it was all 300bps modems. |
| [19:45:44] | Tomas-: | I never did say it's the best, I said it rocks |
| [19:45:47] | Dagmar: | <-- |
| [19:45:58] | Tomas-: | in response to that it's not worth using |
| [19:45:59] | gbee: | wouldn't choose to run Debian on a desktop, server maybe |
| [19:46:24] | Tomas-: | aren't we talking about servers here? |
| [19:46:58] | gbee: | not necessarily :) |
| [19:47:00] | Dagmar: | Anything over above 7 years has become so outdated as to be almost completely unrelated to anything useful, anyway |
| [19:47:17] | jduggan: | i wouldnt like to say what one should/shouldnt use on server/desktop... ive been around long enough to know its not worth pushing a preference and avoid such discussions if possible :P |
| [19:47:32] | Tomas-: | jduggan: true |
| [19:47:46] | gbee: | jduggan: agreed |
| [19:49:21] | jduggan: | it can be quite interesting in the work place, when you have to launch a new cluster and you have both bsd and linux advocates in the company |
| [19:50:35] | Dagmar: | I'd say it's a sign there's not enough inexplicable brake failures. |
| [19:54:29] | Aval0n: | guys on average how big are your analog 30 minutes recordings prior to transcode? |
| [19:54:55] | Aval0n: | I know it's fully effected by birate settings... just curious |
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| [19:56:03] | toorima: | 30 min is about 1.1 gb for me with a pvr150 card |
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| [19:57:41] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [19:57:44] | Aval0n: | 1.5 for me |
| [19:57:49] | Aval0n: | what is your bitrate setting? |
| [19:58:21] | toorima: | have it at default setting, hardy ever use analog any more |
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| [19:59:14] | toorima: | hardly |
| [19:59:21] | Aval0n: | do you transcode? |
| [19:59:23] | Aval0n: | or no |
| [19:59:26] | toorima: | no |
| [19:59:49] | toorima: | have enough space and almost never save shows |
| [19:59:55] | toorima: | so no need for it |
| [20:04:17] | Aval0n: | I hear ya |
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| [20:08:37] | Aval0n: | uhg |
| [20:08:45] | Aval0n: | myth loves to go slow and get hung up |
| [20:09:55] | kslater: | Aval0n 2G/hr for me |
| [20:10:22] | |DuReX|: | when i'm watching tv, it sometimes just locks ... then i need to close the live-view, and start it again, and it works again |
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| [20:29:54] | Aval0n: | there's gotta be some sort of memory leak or something |
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| [20:35:07] | Blaidd: | Hey, is anyone around? |
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| [20:36:50] | kormoc: | Blaidd, no |
| [20:37:35] | Blaidd: | heh. sorry, I know that's an annoying way to start off asking for help |
| [20:38:36] | Blaidd: | I"m stumped with a problem, and I didn't want to ask the aether for help :) |
| [20:39:09] | kslater: | is the aether a synonym for Google? |
| [20:40:22] | kslater: | ask your question, if people are willing to help, they'll chime in, otherwise you're no worse off |
| [20:41:43] | Blaidd: | no the aether is essentially nothing :). |
| [20:41:52] | Blaidd: | I have a mce IR blaster configured, which almost works. I've programed my remote, I can tell that the blaster is sending a signal, I can control my set top box using irsend, I found and edited a channel changing script, the script works from the command line. The problem is that when I add it to mythtv through the myth-setup, go to watch tv in mythtv and tell it to change the channel, myth sends almost random seeming se |
| [20:42:12] | Blaidd: | (I've already looked in google) |
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| [20:43:47] | kormoc: | Blaidd, this is the script I use https://www.kormoc.com/trac/browser/Scripts/bin/ChangeChannel |
| [20:43:56] | kormoc: | Blaidd, you shouldn't use the ivtv-tune thing tho |
| [20:45:32] | Blaidd: | hmm... okay.. that's almost the one I use |
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| [20:50:07] | gbee: | nice, Catalyst 8.5 driver includes DKMS support – something I always wanted with the Nvidia driver |
| [20:50:53] | gbee: | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . ux&num=1 |
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| [20:53:00] | Blaidd: | kormoc: it gives me the same results. It's like my mythtv is sending a whole bunch of channel numbers it doesnt need to send |
| [20:53:22] | MACscr: | does anyone know if there is a way to improve text readability on a crt tv? |
| [20:53:39] | kormoc: | Blaidd, you might have to check the database, it could be bad data in there |
| [20:53:50] | kslater: | MACscr, not much you can do there |
| [20:54:00] | kslater: | what resolution are you doing? |
| [20:54:04] | gbee: | MACscr: what res are you sending to the TV? |
| [20:54:10] | kormoc: | MACscr, change resolutions and see if it looks better or not? |
| [20:54:13] | MACscr: | just 640x480 |
| [20:54:15] | Blaidd: | kormoc: which database? You mean the database containing the channel information? |
| [20:54:24] | gbee: | higher resolutions that the 'native' tend to look worse |
| [20:54:33] | kormoc: | Blaidd, the mysql database that myth uses, mythconverg iirc |
| [20:55:07] | Blaidd: | I don't know enough about it to even know what to look at. What would you recommend I look for? |
| [20:55:34] | kormoc: | check the channel(s) table and verify the channel number is what you expect it to be |
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| [20:56:10] | Blaidd: | kormoc: hmm.. okay.. thanks. I"ll see what I can do |
| [20:57:11] | gbee: | MACscr: some drivers are better than others, but mostly it's down to the quality of the TV, you could try a high contrast theme but other than that ... |
| [20:57:27] | Blaidd: | kormoc: On a related note: would rebuilding the channel database with mythfill help that? |
| [20:57:53] | kormoc: | Blaidd, doubtful, but ya never know |
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| [20:58:42] | orko: | hi. can anybody help me with the decodermad 5 erro in mythmusic. I can not find any help on the web |
| [20:59:13] | Blaidd: | kormoc: so other than my dreding through the actual database, is there anyway I can clear the channel table and repopulate it? |
| [20:59:15] | gbee: | orko: usually means that mythmusic can't find or access the files – check permissions, nfs mounts etc |
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| [21:00:00] | orko: | so permissions on the server are right. do i have to mount the music folder to my remote client? i htought myth does this on its own like with recordings. |
| [21:00:01] | kormoc: | Blaidd, there used to be a way in mythtv-setup, but I donno if it's still there |
| [21:00:15] | kormoc: | orko, sadly, it doesn't (yet) |
| [21:00:24] | Blaidd: | kormoc: Thanks very much for your help. I"ll take a look in there. |
| [21:00:47] | kormoc: | g'luck |
| [21:01:06] | orko: | so i have to manually mount the folder. but the client gets the listing from the servers Db? |
| [21:02:41] | kormoc: | orko, right, but it's a individual list for each frontend |
| [21:02:58] | orko: | oh wow. |
| [21:03:05] | orko: | strange. |
| [21:04:14] | orko: | So this might be the sam ereason why my upnp internet radio could not play the files but see them |
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| [21:12:13] | Blaidd: | kromoc: There is a Channel Editor section in the mythtv-setup interface. Removing my old channels and rescanning with my new box hooked up fixed the issue. Thanks |
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| [21:39:26] | a1fa: | hi |
| [21:39:35] | a1fa: | anybody burn anything from camcorder via firewire? |
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| [21:44:06] | iamlindoro: | You can, but not via myth |
| [21:44:31] | a1fa: | iamlindoro: =( |
| [21:44:36] | a1fa: | what you got? |
| [21:44:54] | iamlindoro: | Use the right tool for the right problem |
| [21:45:05] | iamlindoro: | Kino is probably the right choice |
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| [21:49:25] | dustybin: | is it possible to get 1280x720 at 100dpi working on my TV so the mepo theme looks ok |
| [21:49:39] | dustybin: | or would a 1280x720 modeline cause problems for it |
| [21:50:09] | dustybin: | all i have in my xorg is this: |
| [21:50:10] | dustybin: | ModeLine "720x576pali" 13.5 720 757 821 864 576 581 586 625 -hsync -vsync interlace |
| [21:50:24] | directhex: | you didn't want HD, remember? |
| [21:50:34] | dustybin: | that works perfectly for SDTV, but the mepo theme needs the 1280x720 at 100dpi |
| [21:50:50] | dustybin: | so the text doesnt keep on cutting off |
| [21:51:15] | dustybin: | directhex: i need a modeline for mepo, and ill keep my other modeline for TV |
| [21:51:21] | directhex: | you don't have an HDTV. it's not going to do HD resolutions for you. |
| [21:51:28] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [21:51:31] | dustybin: | doesnt matter |
| [21:51:54] | dustybin: | i could try reducing the font sizes |
| [21:52:04] | dustybin: | im sure there are options in the myth options |
| [21:52:32] | dustybin: | directhex: no HDTV looks good as my CRT |
| [21:53:01] | dustybin: | especially running at 720x576 |
| [21:53:01] | directhex: | dustybin, really? odd, because my HDTV can display mepo-wide without the text cutting off |
| [21:53:28] | dustybin: | aye the theme looks ok, but the quality of TV isnt so good.. |
| [21:53:47] | dustybin: | CRT FTW :P |
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| [21:54:37] | directhex: | you know, the part of the brain responsible for rationalization only kicks in after something happens |
| [21:54:39] | kormoc: | dustybin, I've always hated how CRT's look, their colors look so off in my opinion and the nasty glow and whine.... |
| [21:54:55] | directhex: | kormoc, oh the whine. don't get me started on the whine! |
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| [21:55:20] | dustybin: | mine doesnt wine, too much |
| [21:55:39] | dustybin: | i will get HDTV, once uk television goes HD |
| [21:56:06] | dustybin: | whats the point in watch 720x576 at HD resolutions o_0 |
| [21:56:08] | dustybin: | ing |
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| [21:56:40] | kormoc: | dustybin, as more things become wide-screen, I like being able to cut off the black bars and re-size nicely |
| [21:56:46] | kormoc: | dustybin, and any whine kills me |
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| [21:57:05] | dustybin: | kormoc: my TV is CRT widescreen 16:0 |
| [21:57:07] | dustybin: | 16:9 |
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| [21:58:31] | dustybin: | kormoc: heres my setup, http://empire.ispeeds.net/~subx/IMG_0858.JPG |
| [21:58:45] | dustybin: | ive cable tied the messy cables since |
| [22:01:14] | kormoc: | dustybin, so you're the tumbling man! http://xkcd.com/417/ |
| [22:02:25] | dustybin: | lol 0_0 |
| [22:03:39] | directhex: | We didn't start the fire |
| [22:03:39] | directhex: | It was always burning |
| [22:03:39] | directhex: | Since the world's been turning |
| [22:03:53] | MACscr: | Ok, I just finished making my htpc, think I should buy a wireless keyboard/mouse for it or a remote? |
| [22:04:19] | MACscr: | its about $30 either way. Only want to buy one of them at this point =P |
| [22:05:59] | dustybin: | MACscr: didnt your TV card come with a remote |
| [22:06:37] | iamlindoro: | If you want a STB like experience, use a remote. Also, if you have anyone else using it. If you want to surf the web on your TV, and all that silliness, then get a keyboard. |
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| [22:07:02] | iamlindoro: | PS, Indiana Jones was fun, recommended! |
| [22:07:53] | MACscr: | dustybin: yes, but it's a generic tv tuner/remote. I doubt it will work with myth and I don't plan on using it. Im mainly going to use it to play movies/audio from my digital collection |
| [22:08:22] | dustybin: | generic as in hauppauge? |
| [22:08:44] | Blaidd: | I have another couple of questions I was wondering what hardware specs were required to run play back on high quality or CPU ++ |
| [22:08:47] | iamlindoro: | If the tuner is well supported in linux, odds are very high the remot/IR is too |
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| [22:09:04] | dustybin: | Blaidd: pentium 3.00ghz or higher |
| [22:09:19] | Blaidd: | wow. Those spec reqs are alot higher than I expecte |
| [22:09:22] | Blaidd: | expected* |
| [22:09:30] | dustybin: | actually thats for HD, sorry |
| [22:09:56] | Blaidd: | ahh. I'm just trying to play regular digital feeds..They tend to be between 7–14 gigs/hours |
| [22:10:14] | dustybin: | what res? |
| [22:10:30] | iamlindoro: | A 3.0 Ghz P4 is like a five year old system, how old a system do you WANT it to run on? |
| [22:10:35] | directhex: | 7–14 gig per hour is gonna be HD MPEG2 |
| [22:10:41] | iamlindoro: | There's no way you have any digital feed that's 14 GB and hour, BTW |
| [22:10:59] | iamlindoro: | er an hour |
| [22:11:03] | MACscr: | dustybin: generic as in avermedia |
| [22:11:20] | dustybin: | im not sure if those remotes are supported, check on linuxtv.org |
| [22:11:33] | directhex: | iamlindoro, point, that would be 32mbit wouldn't it |
| [22:11:38] | iamlindoro: | aye |
| [22:11:43] | directhex: | remote support lives on lirc.org |
| [22:11:54] | Blaidd: | so I"m displaying it at 1024x768@56 |
| [22:11:58] | dustybin: | my first ever TV card was a avermedia, the worse thing ive ever used |
| [22:12:15] | Blaidd: | and the system is slower than a 3.0 Ghz. It's an athalon 2600+ with 2.5 gigs of ram |
| [22:12:35] | MACscr: | dustybin: I agree. This one actually came with my laptop back in 02. Finally putting the old laptop to some use\ |
| [22:12:54] | dustybin: | aye ok\ |
| [22:12:58] | Blaidd: | (and I said between the two values or 7 and 14, I haven't done testing) |
| [22:13:03] | directhex: | you'll never need more than 8 GiB per hour |
| [22:13:07] | MACscr: | its a p4 2.4ghz, 512mb ram. Plenty good enough for simple xvid videos, etc |
| [22:13:13] | directhex: | that's for max bitrate broadcast HD |
| [22:13:23] | Blaidd: | either way, the storage space isn't the issue.. |
| [22:13:33] | iamlindoro: | So by that token, all my recordings are between one byte and one terabyte and hour |
| [22:13:38] | iamlindoro: | er an |
| [22:13:43] | iamlindoro: | damnit, fingers have gone stupid |
| [22:13:43] | directhex: | no, it isn't. but whether it's SD or HD is. and the bitrate you've suggested is double HD |
| [22:14:12] | Blaidd: | I essentially told myth to max out the bitrate for each recording |
| [22:14:20] | iamlindoro: | OOF |
| [22:14:32] | iamlindoro: | He's using a analog tuner card at silly bitrates |
| [22:14:41] | directhex: | iamlindoro, MOAR! |
| [22:14:57] | directhex: | <Blaidd> ahh. I'm just trying to play regular digital feeds..They tend to be between 7–14 gigs/hours |
| [22:15:01] | directhex: | i knew he said digital |
| [22:15:04] | directhex: | now i'm just lost |
| [22:15:08] | iamlindoro: | directhex: so is he |
| [22:15:08] | directhex: | i give up. i need a lie down |
| [22:15:27] | iamlindoro: | directhex: I crank it all to 11 across the board and run the CSI-enhance filter on everything |
| [22:15:42] | Blaidd: | okay. So an hours long show is taking up about 7 gigs for space |
| [22:16:06] | iamlindoro: | If you are using a digital tuner, then you have no control whatsoever over the bitrate |
| [22:16:30] | directhex: | and if you're using analog, jesus, that's like recording from AM radio with 192khz wavs |
| [22:16:41] | iamlindoro: | If you are using an analog one and it's taking that kind of space, you have the bitrate cranked WAY too high and you're just wasting space since you have long since reached a point of diminishing returnes |
| [22:16:43] | iamlindoro: | returns |
| [22:16:56] | Blaidd: | so how do I find out what that point is? |
| [22:17:05] | iamlindoro: | The answer is 6–8 Mbit |
| [22:17:06] | iamlindoro: | the end |
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| [22:18:17] | Blaidd: | and if I step the bittrate down, I'd be able to use a higher playback profile? |
| [22:19:32] | iamlindoro: | Maybe/Probably |
| [22:19:38] | iamlindoro: | It's certainly all going to waste right now |
| [22:19:48] | Blaidd: | I don't really care about the space |
| [22:19:55] | iamlindoro: | You're processing bits that have been wasted capturing information that just isn't there |
| [22:20:04] | iamlindoro: | Space isn't the only issue |
| [22:20:18] | iamlindoro: | As directhex told you, space is an expression of bitrate |
| [22:20:27] | Blaidd: | I was trying to get the best quality video I could, and figured that the bitrate would be dictated by the quality of the feed |
| [22:20:31] | iamlindoro: | the higher the bitrate, the more being processed at any given time |
| [22:21:02] | directhex: | so we're agreed that by "digital" he means "analog" then? |
| [22:21:03] | iamlindoro: | You were wrong, because analog is always shit, and plateaus at its minimum level of shit somewhere around, you guessed it, 6–8 Mbit |
| [22:21:04] | Blaidd: | okay. I (apparenlty obviously) don't know a whole lot about the recording and processing of the video feeds |
| [22:21:18] | Blaidd: | I have an analog tuner card. By digital I mean from a digital tv source |
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| [22:21:38] | directhex: | oh, and change the capture resolution to 720x480. you'll get ass quality at 480x480 |
| [22:21:50] | iamlindoro: | Then at no time are you handling any digital signal whatsoever with your capture card |
| [22:21:56] | Blaidd: | ok |
| [22:22:27] | directhex: | photocopy a dollar bill. is the end result legal tender? |
| [22:22:38] | iamlindoro: | Only one way to find out |
| [22:22:40] | iamlindoro: | Spend! |
| [22:22:41] | Blaidd: | what does that have to do with anything? |
| [22:22:48] | iamlindoro: | It's a decent analogy |
| [22:22:58] | Blaidd: | I just don't understand what you're trying to say |
| [22:23:09] | directhex: | take digital video in, and convert to analog. it;s not digital anymore |
| [22:23:21] | iamlindoro: | it's a facsimile of the digital video |
| [22:23:22] | directhex: | even if the original source was |
| [22:23:30] | iamlindoro: | an expression of what it *sorta* looks like |
| [22:23:38] | iamlindoro: | but no longer the same |
| [22:25:36] | Blaidd: | even though in some cases (most actually) it's as good as if I watched from the set top box from the cable company directly to my tv? |
| [22:25:44] | Blaidd: | (or at least it looks as goodP |
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| [22:26:09] | directhex: | is this one of those shoulda-used-SCART situations, i.e. an STB with an RF modulator in it? silly yankland teevee |
| [22:26:11] | iamlindoro: | If you were able to capture a digital stream in myth and watch the two one after the other you'd eat those words |
| [22:26:49] | Blaidd: | directhex: I doubt it since I don't know what you're talking about. |
| [22:27:44] | Blaidd: | so let me set this straight then. I'm using one tuner in the Hauppauge 500 card. I assume that's an analog card yes? |
| [22:27:51] | iamlindoro: | oh yes |
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| [22:28:15] | Blaidd: | right.. that's what I figured.. |
| [22:28:50] | Blaidd: | btw. where do I set the capture resolution? |
| [22:29:01] | iamlindoro: | In recording profiles, second screen I believe |
| [22:29:13] | directhex: | buggered if i know, i swore off analog years ago |
| [22:29:17] | iamlindoro: | But I don't recall because analog is sooooo five years ago |
| [22:29:19] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [22:29:23] | iamlindoro: | jinx |
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| [22:30:18] | Blaidd: | right |
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| [22:32:09] | Blaidd: | well thanks for the help |
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| [22:43:59] | dustybin: | anyone here using debian/ubuntu, ive found a cool tool called deborphan, it will search your system for unused libraries, apps |
| [22:44:11] | dustybin: | then you can manually remove them, saving space and mess |
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| [22:45:01] | iamlindoro: | That sounds... kinda dangerous |
| [22:45:20] | iamlindoro: | I mean, what if I installed dependencies but installed what is dependent on them from source? |
| [22:46:13] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: thats why you manually remove what you think you dont need |
| [22:46:14] | GreyFoxx: | just like people who use to delete crap from c:\windows because they didn';t know what it was |
| [22:46:20] | GreyFoxx: | and wondered why things went wrong |
| [22:46:35] | dustybin: | ill paste the shit what it found on my box |
| [22:46:36] | GreyFoxx: | dust: You'd have to be mighty desperately low on diskspace |
| [22:46:54] | GreyFoxx: | You'd be better off removing installed packages than searching for specific libs |
| [22:46:54] | directhex: | deborphan is good for the reason dustybin cites, and dangerous for the reason iamlindoro cites |
| [22:46:56] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: Ah, okay, I see... guess I'd have to pay better attention to the deps I install :) |
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| [22:47:20] | directhex: | it's also largely pointless now – since no debian documentation has advocated use of "apt-get" for years, and "aptitude" automatically removes orphans |
| [22:47:25] | dustybin: | http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2593 |
| [22:47:46] | iamlindoro: | It totally missed all your horse pron |
| [22:47:52] | dustybin: | :-( |
| [22:48:00] | dustybin: | i mean, :-) |
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| [22:49:45] | directhex: | the horse porn is safe! |
| [22:49:50] | directhex: | right, i should think about bed |
| [22:50:00] | dustybin: | the best thing to do is, make a copy of all those libraries, incase shit doesnt work |
| [22:51:07] | directhex: | why? they're still in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| [22:51:10] | Dagmar: | Just you wait until you're doing something that orphans say, glibc from the dependency tree |
| [22:51:18] | Dagmar: | THEN you'll start paying attention to what you put into a deb |
| [22:51:42] | directhex: | i can't see it happening |
| [22:52:16] | dustybin: | i got to be careful with the stuff ive manually compied like mythtv, zoneminder, mythstream etc |
| [22:52:32] | Dagmar: | dustybin: *script* your builds. |
| [22:52:35] | Dagmar: | Seriously. |
| [22:52:36] | dustybin: | maybe it has a way of knowing what libraries those use |
| [22:52:46] | dustybin: | good idea |
| [22:53:00] | directhex: | dustybin, deborphan only removes packages which you never asked for |
| [22:53:06] | Dagmar: | Scripting the builds is why I don't have to sweat anything I've manually compiled |
| [22:53:20] | dustybin: | Dagmar: doesnt gentoo do that by default |
| [22:53:25] | dustybin: | ebuilds |
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| [22:54:02] | directhex: | dustybin, i.e. "apt-get install foo" pulls in "libbar-2". later, a dist-upgrade means "foo" now depends on "libbar-3". deborphan will notice that nothing uses libbar-2 anymore, and that you never specifically asked for it in the first place |
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| [22:54:43] | caseAP: | good evening more support orientated channel! |
| [22:54:52] | dustybin: | directhex: aye i see |
| [22:55:03] | dustybin: | directhex: so removing those libraries shouldnt do any damage |
| [22:55:05] | directhex: | if you don't want things being removed, then ask for them to be installed – don't rely on their presence as a side-effect of a different package |
| [22:55:39] | caseAP: | right, silly question but i cant find mention of listing services for the uk |
| [22:55:48] | caseAP: | or does it pull it off the DVB-T signal? |
| [22:55:51] | directhex: | dustybin, if you look, you'll find most of them are numbered packages – i.e. libraries with specific versions. you probably have a newer version of the numbered packages installed |
| [22:56:01] | directhex: | caseAP, that's called EIT, and yes, it works |
| [22:56:03] | caseAP: | or do i need to stop being such a tit and fuck off :D because thats ok by me :D |
| [22:56:09] | caseAP: | oh thank you directhex |
| [22:56:16] | directhex: | caseAP, or you use the radio times listing source, which is a bit of extra work, but you get 2 weeks |
| [22:56:26] | caseAP: | any guide to that? |
| [22:56:37] | caseAP: | because i use radiotimes through my browser and i love it so much |
| [22:56:47] | dustybin: | caseAP: install xmltv, compile from source, use nightly build |
| [22:57:00] | dustybin: | select radio times at compile time |
| [22:57:01] | directhex: | caseAP, why should he use a nightly build? |
| [22:57:23] | caseAP: | me? |
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| [22:57:31] | caseAP: | well i myself tend to avoid nightly builds |
| [22:57:34] | dustybin: | more up to date incase anything changes |
| [22:57:41] | dustybin: | ok.. |
| [22:57:43] | MukiEX: | Is there a good shopping site for MythTV tuners? |
| [22:57:44] | directhex: | caseAP, you want the tv_grab_uk_rt grabber, which is part of xmltv. myth's source setup will let you pick the xmltv grabber. you need to alt-tab to the terminal window which the actual setup happens in |
| [22:57:46] | caseAP: | im a horid "make it work and leave i" user |
| [22:58:05] | caseAP: | honestly the gui shit throws me off |
| [22:58:19] | directhex: | tv_grab_uk_rt is *not* sensitive to tiny changes, as it's an officially sanctioned service from radio times |
| [22:58:19] | dustybin: | MukiEX: read all about the tuners on linuxtv.org before you buy |
| [22:58:33] | dustybin: | aye i didnt know that |
| [22:58:34] | directhex: | whereas most grabbers try to grab & parse user-targeted HTML files full of adverts and the like |
| [22:58:43] | dustybin: | justinh told me to use the nightly builds |
| [22:58:51] | caseAP: | dustybin: i just risked a hauppage pvr150 off ebay for 20 quid |
| [22:58:59] | dustybin: | ok |
| [22:59:20] | directhex: | the channels RT supports are in http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/channels.dat |
| [22:59:24] | directhex: | notice the url |
| [22:59:30] | MukiEX: | dustybin : I'm talking about a place nice recomendation/shopping site for a tuner. |
| [22:59:45] | MukiEX: | Doing the back-and-forth game with standard shopping sites and the wiki's not fun ^_^ |
| [22:59:52] | dustybin: | MukiEX: google >> shopping |
| [22:59:53] | iamlindoro: | MukiEX: That's the best you're going to get |
| [23:00:01] | directhex: | scan.co.uk, nova-t. done. |
| [23:00:21] | MukiEX: | =( |
| [23:00:22] | iamlindoro: | directhex: Hahah, not at il.comcast.net he's not :) |
| [23:00:34] | directhex: | iamlindoro, not my fault if he's nonspecific |
| [23:00:37] | directhex: | anyway, BEDTIME! |
| [23:01:25] | iamlindoro: | Plus it has the advantage of if you fail to read and find out the caveats of the card you choose, we can just laugh and call you a twat |
| [23:01:28] | caseAP: | holy shit |
| [23:01:41] | caseAP: | welcome to being hte first helpful offical user channel i have been to on freenode |
| [23:02:19] | iamlindoro: | If it makes you feel any better we get a lot less helpful and more surly from time to time |
| [23:02:25] | iamlindoro: | hang around, you'll see |
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| [23:02:47] | caseAP: | oh ok |
| [23:02:55] | caseAP: | should i ask some retarded questions to make it better? |
| [23:03:02] | caseAP: | because i can do those |
| [23:03:07] | directhex: | i called someone lots of rude words once. then i quit for 2 months to calm down |
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| [23:03:35] | iamlindoro: | We have enough retarded questions without doing so intentionally |
| [23:03:39] | caseAP: | psaw, the normal places i hang arround in we start talking about vmware esx/esxi when people ask questions |
| [23:03:53] | caseAP: | iamlindoro: but i can bring a whole new level of retardation to the table |
| [23:03:55] | directhex: | bed. i mean it this time! |
| [23:04:03] | iamlindoro: | directhex: night |
| [23:04:08] | iamlindoro: | now I've said it and you HAVE to go |
| [23:04:10] | GreyFoxx: | I generally get sucked in by the trolls, get pissed they are so thick and either go watch tv or kick them from the channel |
| [23:04:11] | GreyFoxx: | :) |
| [23:04:27] | iamlindoro: | To be fair, GreyFoxx doesn't do nearly enough kicking |
| [23:04:36] | GreyFoxx: | yes, I quite restrained ;) |
| [23:04:43] | GreyFoxx: | s/I/I'm/ |
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| [23:05:03] | Landon: | how can I stop mythtv from recording? it's the summe rnow and I don't have cable anymore |
| [23:05:10] | Landon: | but I still want to watch the shows and whatnot that I did record |
| [23:05:10] | gbee: | just be glad that I declined op status ;) |
| [23:05:19] | GreyFoxx: | land: run the master backend with --nosched |
| [23:05:38] | caseAP: | i am getting all tempted to run a master in my rackspace in a real datacenter |
| [23:05:41] | caseAP: | because that would be cool |
| [23:05:44] | caseAP: | seriously cool |
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| [23:06:04] | Landon: | GreyFoxx: aha, thanks |
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| [23:06:20] | gbee: | or just delete your xmltv/SD account info so there is no guide data to schedule with :) |
| [23:06:23] | GreyFoxx: | case: I must be cool then ;) |
| [23:06:28] | jduggan: | caseAP: what are you going to do for recording source? |
| [23:06:46] | caseAP: | jduggan: same as a lot of people, small aerial on the top of the rack |
| [23:07:09] | jduggan: | and you get a good signal from there?? |
| [23:07:09] | Dagmar: | That isn't likely to work. |
| [23:07:15] | jduggan: | i work in a datacenter |
| [23:07:16] | gbee: | jduggan: I've known people put a dish/aerial on the roof of a data centre and run the cables down :) |
| [23:07:19] | caseAP: | well http://www.thetelly.net/ does it |
| [23:07:23] | Dagmar: | Yeah, on the _roof_ |
| [23:07:24] | caseAP: | jduggan: so do i, |
| [23:07:36] | caseAP: | not on the roof either |
| [23:07:41] | Dagmar: | I get bad cell coverage in our DC, and there's a freaking Sprint repeater on the roof. |
| [23:07:47] | Sedorox: | GreyFoxx: did you happen to get my PM? |
| [23:07:48] | jduggan: | ok, well generally network coverage isnt so great inside the suites |
| [23:07:57] | Dagmar: | Don't expect RF to make it into a DC without being molested beyond recognition |
| [23:08:02] | GreyFoxx: | Sedor: NEver saw it |
| [23:08:03] | gbee: | cages don't make for good reception ;) |
| [23:08:06] | Dagmar: | ooh! |
| [23:08:08] | caseAP: | havent ever tried |
| [23:08:12] | GreyFoxx: | Sed: Just ask in here :) |
| [23:08:16] | caseAP: | but i also have the bonus of having a seculuded rack |
| [23:08:17] | GreyFoxx: | less for me to watch for :) |
| [23:08:18] | Sedorox: | ah.. well I'll just ask them :p |
| [23:08:20] | Sedorox: | hehe |
| [23:08:22] | Dagmar: | GreyFoxx: Is there/was there a setting to disable uPnP responses from the frontend? |
| [23:08:23] | caseAP: | as in, far corner of hte building |
| [23:08:34] | caseAP: | but i might see how our tv related guys do it |
| [23:08:36] | Sedorox: | did you ever happen to get newer versions of Xorg to work with the Msntv2? |
| [23:08:39] | GreyFoxx: | dag: not that I can think of offhand |
| [23:08:56] | GreyFoxx: | sed: yeah I had IEGD8 working with whatever comes with Slackware 12.0 |
| [23:09:11] | Dagmar: | GreyFoxx: Damn. Okay. I'm just about done with a new set of packages... I'll dig through the logs and see if I can spot something |
| [23:09:11] | Sedorox: | hmm |
| [23:09:13] | jduggan: | is thetelly.net legal? |
| [23:09:24] | GreyFoxx: | Currently all disabled since I'm wiping all the boxes and flashing them with the new linuxbios stuff for them |
| [23:09:39] | Sedorox: | new linuxbios? hmm |
| [23:09:49] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, coreboot is the new name, fyi |
| [23:09:53] | Sedorox: | new forum or irc channel for all this? :p |
| [23:09:55] | Dagmar: | caseAP: If they're anything like my AV guys, they do it over long coax runs |
| [23:10:07] | GreyFoxx: | korm: yeah I forgot that |
| [23:10:17] | caseAP: | Dagmar: judgeing by who does it, im sure its done shitly |
| [23:10:37] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, figured I'd mention it if you were still downloading linuxbios tarballs |
| [23:10:39] | GreyFoxx: | sed: yeah linux_junkie and a few others have done a lot of work and now the rm4100 is fully coreboot supported |
| [23:10:51] | jduggan: | caseAP: is thetelly.net legal? |
| [23:10:52] | Dagmar: | `upgradepkg *17388*tgz` go! Whee! |
| [23:11:02] | GreyFoxx: | their only problem is the video stuff which I wanna taker a look at |
| [23:11:05] | caseAP: | jduggan: a question we bounce arround the office a lot |
| [23:11:08] | Sedorox: | is there a site or wiki or something with the newer information? I've really been out of the loop... |
| [23:11:17] | GreyFoxx: | www.settoplinux.org |
| [23:11:25] | Sedorox: | Danke |
| [23:11:31] | kormoc: | Sedorox, coreboot.org too (for coreboot stuff) |
| [23:11:32] | caseAP: | lucky we dont have anything more to do with them than a selling them racks |
| [23:11:37] | Sedorox: | kormoc: thanks |
| [23:11:48] | Dagmar: | jduggan: After looking at the site... hell no |
| [23:12:09] | Sedorox: | I'm just updating my netboot for it now since it hasn't been in some time.. and I'm done with college.. I have some time to play with it again |
| [23:13:46] | dustybin: | i just removed all those unused libs, everything looks like its still working |
| [23:14:14] | gbee: | jduggan: if you look at the FAQ they seem to think they are complying with the law – although I still find it dubious |
| [23:14:36] | caseAP: | gbee: they make it out that you have to pay for your own tv licence |
| [23:14:44] | caseAP: | but i dont think many people do |
| [23:14:46] | gbee: | but I guess broadcasters aren't going to be bothered as long as the feeds go unmolested |
| [23:15:04] | caseAP: | but tvlicencing is |
| [23:15:09] | caseAP: | they fucking hate that shit |
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| [23:18:35] | gbee: | I can't actually understand why expats bother moving if they are going to watch UK tv, read UK papers and build UK communities in their new country, with UK style pubs, shops and food |
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| [23:19:06] | caseAP: | yah, ever noticed how english people on websites end up with usernames like KEVinatorUK |
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| [23:19:51] | Sedorox: | crap.. I don't have a compact flash reader anymore |
| [23:20:12] | Sedorox: | ebay! |
| [23:20:41] | caseAP: | yay ebay! |
| [23:20:49] | jduggan: | they cost next to nothing even new |
| [23:21:00] | Sedorox: | or maybe my girlfriend has one.. since she seems to have a lot of random stuff |
| [23:21:06] | kormoc: | gbee, cause they found a better job? |
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| [23:22:37] | Sedorox: | gbee: and actually.. UK has a better understanding of how to build a better community |
| [23:22:45] | gbee: | kormoc: I mainly thinking of those who retire abroad or go seeking a new life (but in fact just drag their old life to their new country), we seem to produce a lot of them |
| [23:22:58] | kormoc: | gbee, ahh, fair 'nuff |
| [23:23:37] | gbee: | the ones who don't make an effort to learn the language etc |
| [23:24:31] | caseAP: | yah |
| [23:24:35] | gbee: | then again, increasingly that seems to be happening here with immigrant groups building their own self-contained communities, so maybe we're not the only ones |
| [23:24:50] | caseAP: | welcome to the reason why as a brit, i go on holiday to places where english people dont go |
| [23:25:47] | jduggan: | belgium? |
| [23:25:50] | caseAP: | naa |
| [23:25:56] | caseAP: | ive found america does the job pretty well |
| [23:26:01] | caseAP: | if its not florida or nyc your good |
| [23:26:06] | kormoc: | I pass for a native Canadian a fair bit of the time (#1 most asked interview question, Am I Canadian?) |
| [23:26:06] | jduggan: | heh |
| [23:26:29] | jduggan: | i'm in vegas in 2weeks or so |
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| [23:26:41] | caseAP: | vegas is a good place for not being full of brits |
| [23:26:44] | jduggan: | 10th June |
| [23:26:53] | caseAP: | even better is the towns outside, but then again i go there to shoot |
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| [23:28:40] | dustybin: | hey im a brit |
| [23:28:48] | caseAP: | so am i |
| [23:28:56] | jduggan: | as am i |
| [23:28:59] | caseAP: | still doesnt stop me from hating english people abroad |
| [23:29:00] | dustybin: | aye up |
| [23:29:01] | jduggan: | should we hug? |
| [23:29:09] | dustybin: | yep, group hug |
| [23:29:11] | jduggan: | haha |
| [23:29:17] | dustybin: | shame justinh isnt here |
| [23:29:24] | dustybin: | northern git |
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| [23:29:43] | dustybin: | /s/git/bas**** |
| [23:29:48] | caseAP: | lets all add UK to the end of our names |
| [23:29:53] | caseAP: | because thats what internet brits do |
| [23:29:57] | dustybin: | nope ill get banned |
| [23:30:23] | Sedorox: | kormoc: GreyFoxx is there an irc channel for coreboot/settoplinux? |
| [23:30:54] | caseAP: | oh if you ever want to see english people in huge packs |
| [23:31:02] | caseAP: | stanford airport in orlando florida |
| [23:31:05] | caseAP: | is an english ghetto |
| [23:31:06] | ** gbee stumbles across yet another article about Gloss and vomits ** | |
| [23:31:12] | jduggan: | haha, just finished watching Rambo III... "this film is dedicated to the galant people of afghanistan"... i bet the people who decided to put that are thinking twice now eh? |
| [23:31:54] | kormoc: | Sedorox, not that i know of offhand |
| [23:32:06] | Sedorox: | kk |
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| [23:50:54] | Led-Hed (Led-Hed!n=LedHed@209.209.124.226) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) | |
| [23:54:22] | cal_: | didnt F6 give signal strength? |
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