Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, May 21st, 2008, 00:05 UTC

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elg:

mythfrontend refuses to remember the correct backend/database settings

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directhex:

then check your ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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directhex:

or update to a upnp-capable version of myth

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elg:

it has the correct password

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directhex:

now, bedtime

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elg:

but when mythfrontend starts and fails to connect, it asks me and has an old password

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elg:

i have no idea where it's getting it

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a1fa_:

anybody running their front and backend on a SATA drive?

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kormoc:

a1fa, yes, I am

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gbee:

don't think there is anything preventing 5.1 on SD content

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janneg:

justinh: that's exactly my point, why would I want 5.1 if the signal is only mono (exagarating)

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janneg:

gbee: we have 5.1 over DVB SD

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justinh:

only backwards-thinking Tv companies prevent it gbee. in europe Ac3 audio is common on DVB-T

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abqjp:

My local PBS station occasionally shows "Soundstage", but they downmix the DD5.1 to DD2.0 to save bandwidth for their three subchannels. It does not sound near as good — although I am not entirely sure why.

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gbee:

janneg: yeah, just don't think I've ever seen it in the UK – but then I wouldn't notice since I don't have a 5.1 setup

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justinh:

anyway – you're gonna be getting *HD* *video* *capture* into a PC – 5.1 or no 5.1.. no small beans there IMHO

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abqjp:

Yup, I still have one on order. I just hope it all ends up being worth the money!

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justinh:

ok so maybe Hauppauge's info could've been a tad more specific about the DD..

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iamlindoro:

People will always find something to bitch and moan about

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abqjp:

Amazon is even selling the Hauppauge HD-PVR.

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gbee:

can't see the point in HD Capture, at least not in the UK and HDCP may well prevent it in other regions eventually

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justinh:

janneg: I agree with your point though – I remember thinking wtf use is 5.1 on a camcorder. maybe the lens motor noise goes from front to back ;)

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iamlindoro:

"Boo, the S-video in is in the front!"

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justinh:

iamlindoro: it's such a fugly box I'd keep it hidden anyway

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janneg:

gbee: the way I notice them is the surround symbol

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abqjp:

Both Directv and DISH (in the USA) now have every channel I watch in HD — with the exception of BBCamerica. BBCamerica is supposed to go HD sometime this year.

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janneg:

justinh: lol

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janneg:

and the box is ugly, I'm glad I got just the board

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justinh:

hell even film audio is mostly mono on set

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justinh:

post ftw!

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gbee:

janneg: ... yeah, I did add the icon so I should have remembered that ;)

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iamlindoro:

Too bad so little of the BBC content is HD to begin with, having BBC America in HD will be mostly-useless

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gbee:

it will improve, slowly

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abqjp:

True.

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justinh:

iamlindoro: hotel babylol, Planet Earth, er... torchwood.. hmmm

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iamlindoro:

You can watch male timetravelers make out with male timetravelers in HDDDDDDD

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justinh:

Eurovision! :D

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abqjp:

Torchwood is available in HD on HDnet. I have not decided if I like that show or not.

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gbee:

Heroes (not that it's BBC content, just shown on the BBC)

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justinh:

you can watch the UK phail in aitch dee!

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gbee:

justinh: would have liked to see the Chelsea flower show in HD – but I'm still waiting for my card >:(

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justinh:

still? call the cops

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gbee:

justinh: tempted to lodge a complaint with Paypal just to light a fire under them

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justinh:

I've had patchy luck buying stuff from EU. was lucky to get my Â£800 back from a german sseller of dbox2 machines

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justinh:

never, ever again I swear

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gbee:

website says they are moving premises and hence any delays, but it's still shoddy that over a week after the order they've yet to dispatch despite taking my money

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justinh:

yet another reminder I still need to put those damnable s100 boxes on the bay

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abqjp:

Planet Earth is on DiscoveryHD, but with Sigourney Weaver instead of David Attenborough. I also think the USA version is shorter.

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gbee:

haven't replied to my emails either

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justinh:

gbee: hardly a glowing recommendation then

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gbee:

abqjp: there is some joke about attention spans there

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justinh:

freesat will catch on like a gorse bush covered in wet gloss paint so I expect dvb-s & s2 cards to take hold too

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gbee:

think I'd prefer Attenborough

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gbee:

doing the narration!

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justinh:

prefer anybody to an american for narration tbh

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justinh:

maybe James Earl Jones..

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abqjp:

I have seen one of the episodes with Attenborough — it is better.

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abqjp:

Sigourney Weaver voice is too monotone.

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justinh:

BBC natural history films.. just can't imagine them without Attenborough

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gbee:

I could make an exception for Mr Vadar

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iamlindoro:

The Blu-ray version is thankfully the original-- was weirded out when I saw it on TV and heard Ellen Ripley

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justinh:

abqjp: could be worse though – think Steve Irwin

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gbee:

justinh: when he finally retires I hope they'll get a good impressionist to narrate future documentaries

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justinh:

gbee: NOT Culshaw, then :)

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gbee:

:)

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justinh:

that ambarella effort has got me wondering how many teeny tiny little fabless chip companies there are these days

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Dibblah:

The projector – She's alive!

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justinh:

almost changed my mind about our current product line today when I saw a 'HD' unit being fed by megapixel IP cameras. N I C E

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Dibblah:

100 pin QFP? No problem.

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justinh:

Dibblah: you changed the chip & it worky?

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Dibblah:

The screws on the case afterwards, I have NO idea what went wrong.

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Dibblah:

Yup.

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Dibblah:

Bloody stupid design.

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justinh:

lol Dibblah take photos next time

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justinh:

not for yer blog – just for own reference :P

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Dibblah:

No – I had the right screws in the right holes – Just they wouldn't catch the right thread :(

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Dibblah:

(High end gear – None of these plastic screws!

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justinh:

Dibblah: if it's any consolation, none of the screw holes on our products line up with holes in the case

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justinh:

fight with them every damn day

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Dibblah:

Heh. Epoxy is such a wonderful thing.

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justinh:

if only!

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justinh:

our CAD guys have all the nice toys yet still come in to measure chassis & boards manually. WHY? They have the CAD ffs. "Just making sure", they crow. Yeah, so how do they still get it wrong?!

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justinh:

hmm. I'm gonna need to find a paper version of my latest CV. can't find an electronic copy anywhere

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Dibblah:

Ask your employer for their copy.

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Dibblah:

;)

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justinh:

rofl

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justinh:

been thinking today. I've never resigned from a job before

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justinh:

and I've never been in a job as long as I've had this one

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justinh:

but I think it's soon gonna be time to get out before the work-induced grumpiness becomes the death of me – or diesel reachs 2 quid a litre

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justinh:

oh jees the USB interface is on that ambarella chip too – so unless they can implement muxing AC3 on a GPIO pin in firmware... well that's Hauppauge's issue I spose

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Dibblah:

Ah, gotta love it. Didn't realise at first, but... The main selling point of DLP is that it can be digital all the way to the screen.

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justinh:

heheh Hollyoaks to become UK's first HD soap

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justinh:

Dibblah: taste the rainbow?

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Dibblah:

So, on this HD7100, what's the first chip that the DVI signal hits?

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Dibblah:

Yes, a D/A.

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justinh:

duh

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Dibblah:

Of course, the signal can be more tightly controlled on a small PCB rather than echoey cables. But still, it seems odd.

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justinh:

quantisation noise is more likely a factor than cable ringing

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justinh:

but then put a spinning colour wheel in front of the light source & suddenly the noise becomes er.. less apparent ?

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FN1:

afternoon all...

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Dibblah:

Well, the color wheel really isn't all that noticable these days.

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Dibblah:

Unless you're particularly sensitive to it.

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justinh:

aww imagine the irony if the best definition display device turns out to be a Logie-Baird contraption

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Dibblah:

Unfortunately, a neural interface is still only 30x30 pixels :(

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: see you seem to be loving UK ADSL :)

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FN1:

ever since .21 ive been getting a lot of nvp prebuffering pause.. which i didnt use to get.. on playback on my frontend of hd ota recordings.. i was wondering if someone could help me out, with the settings... someone mentioned something yesterday.. but im not sure where those changes are

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justinh:

FN1: playback profiles

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justinh:

don't ask me how they work though

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Yup, what a POS... might just quit to save everyone the frustration

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justinh:

gotta love 100 year old copper

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justinh:

amazing it works at all when you hear a phone convo ;)

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FN1:

any recomendations on the playback profiles.. i have a dual core 2.6ghz with a nvidia 7600

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iamlindoro_:

Doesn't help to add hotel wireless into the equation

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dagar:

can anyone help me figure out what's going on here?

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dagar:

pastebin.com/d6fe4eccf

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dagar:

X failing to start on minimyth 0.21.0–52

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dagar:

some weird permission error or something

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gbee:

FN1: increase number of CPUs to 2 and if that doesn't help go with linear deint instead of Greedy

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FN1:

gbee... what current video playback profile should i start with?

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FN1:

cpu+, cpu++, cpu--, high quality, normal

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MinDKrime:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles

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MinDKrime:

sorry that is all i can do. I dont know anything about them first hand

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** MinDKrime is still on .20 **

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justinh:

dagar: forums at www.linpvr.org might be your best hope

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FN1:

MinDKrime: .20 worked well for me ;)

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justinh:

FN1: obviously try cpu-- first. I think 'normal' is the default but not sure

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FN1:

got cha

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MinDKrime:

FN1: yea I am still on it till all my series go into rerun... then I will test .21

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dagar:

justdave: thanks

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dagar:

it was just a bloody ownership problem though

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justdave:

dagar: you're welcome, I think

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justdave:

(said on behalf of justinh who I'm sure you were aiming that at ;)

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justdave:

we get that all the time. silly nick autocomplete ;)

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justinh:

dagar: wouldn't have thought a permissions issue would affect minimyth, unless you're doing it from CF or something local

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gbee:

f'ing router

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dagar:

justdave: after extracting the rootfs I chowned everything to root for some reason

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justinh:

gbee: seen those on special at scan for Â£15 today ;)

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dagar:

this somehow prevented minimyth user from starting X

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justinh:

dagar: ah that'd do it

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gbee:

how difficult is it to make a router which just works? I mean I had no problem creating my own with iptables and a 10 year old machine, so why does Netgear have so much trouble?

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directhex:

lowest common denominator firmware develoeprs in china

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justinh:

with logging turned off, my router does the biz still

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gbee:

it's even linux/iptables based, I just can't get my head around how they can screw it up

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justinh:

not looking forward to joining the wireless revolution if I'm totally honest – but then if my dad got it working anybody can

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directhex:

directhex@neptune:~# uname -a

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directhex:

Linux neptune 2.4.17_mvl21-malta-mips_fp_le #92 sab dic 29 19:42:39 CET 2007 mips unknown

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justinh:

oh gawd. the locals are revolting.. or rioting.. or something

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gbee:

hmm – when did I drop out? from the log immediately prior – "Wednesday,21 May 2008 22:34:11 [TCP SYN Flood][Deny access policy matched, dropping packet] "

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justinh:

22:30 according to my screen gbee

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FN1:

AFD Error: Could not open codec 0x9682530, id(MPEG2VIDEO_XVMC) type(Video) aborting. reason -1

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justinh:

so manchester 'won' the camp league or something & manchester has descended into shouting & blaring car horns. fffs

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gbee:

first time I've looked at the logs, but the the SYN Flood stuff appears around the time of my dropout from IRC at ~14:30

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gbee:

can't tell if it preceeds the disconnect, or as a result of reconnecting

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gbee:

anyway, as I was saying just before being rudely interrupted – new Ati drivers have been released

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justinh:

bloody fack! fireworks?! it's quarter to eleven at night you fcking MORONS!

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justinh:

next election time I'm looking for the party who pledges to ban football. c***s

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directhex:

you don't belieeeeeve it?

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directhex:

gbee, with support for 3000-series cards?

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FN1:

does anyone know what this means? Please, check your X11 setup – xv and opengl support.

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dustybin:

v_meldrew: your dream done it :D

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dustybin:

team

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gbee:

breaking the law with fireworks at this time of night

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gbee:

directhex: claims to support HD 3100 through to 3800

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directhex:

congrats ati. only took them 6 months

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gbee:

all listed in the release notes – https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.a . . . 5_linux.html

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directhex:

at this point i can't possibly confirm or deny whether nvidia already have drivers for their next-gen gt200 gpu

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gbee:

directhex: seems last months driver supported them too

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gbee:

so 5 months :)

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directhex:

that's still fucking shit

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directhex:

when the competition can have drivers sorted for next-gen cards before release

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directhex:

and they did the same thing with the x1 series

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famicom:

gbee i downloaded that

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famicom:

it tells me that its "for testing only"

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gbee:

huh?

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gizmobay:

Has anyone compiled MythTV with xvmc-opengl and got it to work properly?

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famicom:

gizmobay no

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gizmobay:

thanks, I'll wait before I try again

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** Golffies does someone know a little bit about Satelco Easywatch DVB-T card ? **

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gbee:

Golffies: better to ask the question directly

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famicom:

gizmobay the state of linux drivers is generally like this: All carddrivers are cripled and lag far behind their windows counterpard

[22:09:03]

gbee:

I know a little – i.e. it's made by a company called Satelco, it recieves DVB-T and it's sold by dvbshop.net (who are shit)

[22:09:07]

famicom:

and none of them do as advertised

[22:09:37]

gbee:

since you asked (even if that's not what you meant)

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directhex:

famicom, lag in what way?

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gizmobay:

thanks famicom I'd like to use xvmc for both sd and hd since the guide is much faster but I want a color OSD

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famicom:

gizmobay just be glad it works

[22:11:26]

gizmobay:

yeah finally works after I moved from FC6 to F8

[22:11:53]

famicom:

yeah well

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directhex:

the unavoidable problem with gpu-accelerated decoding is xvmc is a really shitty API

[22:12:11]

famicom:

it took me 6 fucking months before i got basic functionality compareble to that of windows

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famicom:

which blows

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** Golffies just installed the DVB-T card in my mythbox, alongside a Technotrend DVB-C card; I can configure the DVB-C card with mythtv-setup (it has been serving for many years), but mythtv-setup does not recognise the DVB-T card. **

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famicom:

cause windows is just a pile of wank regardless

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directhex:

famicom, with a radeon?

[22:12:50]

famicom:

yeah

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gizmobay:

may try to pickup a cheap GeForce 5200 or 5500

[22:13:10]

directhex:

famicom, news at 11, ati in "crap in linux" shocker

[22:13:15]

famicom:

the ati card is actually the one that works best

[22:13:25]

dustybin:

will windows continue to use 20+ year old legacy code on future operating systems?

[22:13:41]

directhex:

famicom, whereas i couldn't possibly confirm or deny whether nvidia are already shipping gt200 drivers

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famicom:

before that i worked with nvidia cards and VIA unichrome drivers

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gizmobay:

i avoided ati cause I thought it wouldn't work

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famicom:

directhex which cards?

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dustybin:

will there one day be a windows based on unix, like os x ?

[22:14:28]

famicom:

why would we want that

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directhex:

famicom, the geforce gtx 280/260

[22:14:50]

dustybin:

apple already have done it

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mobrien:

anyone heard any updates on the hd-pvr?

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famicom:

apple is a pile of wank too

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dustybin:

it is, but not as bad as windows

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directhex:

xvmc is a crap API. until that's fixed, or a radically different path like GLSL is taken, there'll be no decent gpu-accelerated video decoding on linux

[22:16:51]

dustybin:

do apple stick to industry standards more than microsoft?

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gbee:

directhex: yes, we get that Ati driver support isn't as complete as Nvidia, but I'm finding a suprising number of people who think the current drivers/cards actually produce better results that the nvidia ones – is Ati in linux perfect? No, but it's not that bad either

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famicom:

actually, so far it's the only driver that works

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directhex:

gbee, performance still licks balls, for those who care about it

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abqjp:

gbee: is ATI video viable for an HD frontend?

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gbee:

abqjp: works fine on mine (HDMI)

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directhex:

if you don't care about missing features, stability trouble (especially on laptops), the glacial pace with which new hardware support is added, or performance less than half of the competitors, then sure

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gbee:

I'm not going to say that you won't have problems, but it worked out of the box for me

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** gbee thinks directhex has a chip on his shoulder **

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directhex:

gbee, too much time wasted supporting people with radeons, and not much brighter experiences myself

[22:22:08]

gbee:

directhex: yeah, but how long ago? I know the situation wasn't that great this time last year, but things have improved

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famicom:

I dunno

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famicom:

I'm getting pretty sick of the whole "ati r teH suxx" attitude

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gbee:

you might have trouble playing games with ATi, I can't comment on that, but as far as MythTV goes I'd probably recommend a supported Radeon just for the excellant TV out

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rsc-232:

Gbee: Nvidia cards are the BEST

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rsc-232:

in linux

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directhex:

famicom, every time i hear "it's better now, honest" i try, and i discover epic fail. and that's roughly annually since 2004

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famicom:

which cards

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directhex:

gbee, tv-out of the s-video variety?

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gbee:

directhex: yep

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famicom:

rsc-232 and you base that on?

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rsc-232:

Personal Experince with ATI Drivers in Linux

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famicom:

you sound like someone who recently installed ubuntu as his first distro

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rsc-232:

Me no?

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clever:

ive got 3 ati cards under linux

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clever:

all of them work as a basic frame buffer for X

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clever:

the newest can handle 3d stuff(compiz)

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famicom:

they got working hdmi

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famicom:

that;s all i asked for

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clever:

and the tvout bearly works on the middle one(brightness off the scale)

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rsc-232:

i went from Mandrake to Lycoris to Lindows(LOL) to Redhat to Fedora to centOS to Ubuntu to Kubuntu

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gbee:

I'm no ATi fanboy, I've used nvidia in linux for the last 8 years, but I have to acknowledge that things were just smoother and better with the Ati GPU that I got for the new frontend

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clever:

i started with redhat

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rsc-232:

kubuntu 8.04 feels Visty

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famicom:

i actually started with freebsd

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gbee:

rsc-232: you should go full circle back to Mandriva (kicks Kubuntu into the gutter IMHO)

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famicom:

i dunno

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famicom:

ubuntu is ok

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rsc-232:

well i dont use it as my primary desktop

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famicom:

except for all the ubuntards

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directhex:

rsc-232, vista has working file extensions. kubuntu has a working kcrashhandler.

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rsc-232:

i use Kubuntu b/c LinuxMCE Requires Kubuntu

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famicom:

LinuxMCE ?

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rsc-232:

yes

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directhex:

famicom, plutohome distro

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rsc-232:

yup

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directhex:

famicom, home automation crap with a minor sprinkling of myth

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rsc-232:

Asterisk / Pluto / MythTV in one package

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abqjp:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . ux&num=1

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famicom:

sounds like faggotry in a box

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rsc-232:

famicom: you should watch the Video

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famicom:

meh

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famicom:

I need to create and maintain my own Jeos

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abqjp:

gbee: did you ever get audio working via HDMI?

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directhex:

just because you can, doesn't mean you should

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famicom:

directhex nah

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famicom:

i should

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gbee:

clever: but how old are those cards and just which drivers were you using? :) Past experience with ATi cards and drivers is pretty irrelevant to the discussion of what they are like now, it's like comparing Skoda's from 15 years ago to the current ones

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famicom:

actually, the one thing i noticed

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gbee:

abqjp: no, alsa driver bug which probably won't get fixed for a while :( I'm going to try getting the OSS guys to add support :)

[22:30:30]

clever:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x (rev 02)

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famicom:

that eg between 8.42 and 8.5 there were some massive improvements

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clever:

gbee: that card(with the 'ati' driver) can bearly get tvout

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famicom:

clever no shit

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clever:

gbee: and if i switch from text to gui too much the system hardlocks

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famicom:

thats a fucking onboard chipset

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clever:

yes its a laptop:P

[22:31:17]

clever:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02)

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gbee:

clever: 'ati' driver is the open source one, I don't expect that to work :)

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famicom:

You cannot compare that to a PCI-e card

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clever:

that laptop can do full 3d accel for compiz(but not use xv as a texture)

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clever:

it has bearly any problems

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famicom:

02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV610 video device [Radeon HD 2400 PRO]

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clever:

00:0b.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage II+ 215GTB [Mach64 GTB] (rev 9a)

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clever:

thats the older one in a 2.4 box

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abqjp:

My frontend has an Intel G45 with HDMI. I have never actually even tried to use the HDMI.

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abqjp:

s/G45/G35/

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clever:

it 'worked' with X but was horidly laggy because the system overall only had 64mb ram

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clever:

i could double my ram if i used the vid ram for swap!

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gbee:

famicom: even my integrated Radeon x1250 works well, so it's not really a question of onboard versus discrete, just a question of which driver you try and the age of the card (thus support)

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famicom:

could be

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famicom:

but i'm strung out on amfetamines

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gbee:

abqjp: some of the alsa HDMI support works, the bug which prevents mine working seems specific to the chipset used

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clever:

a newer laptop with an nvidia card is able to use xv as a 3d texture

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clever:

which brings alot of fun new stuff out in compiz

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famicom:

compiz is useless fluff

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clever:

i can practicaly double my screen space with transparency on compiz

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famicom:

ewll

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famicom:

all i ever cared about was having transparent terminals

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clever:

but it does seem to leak ram alot too

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famicom:

within a non transparent window decoration

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clever:

the X server is eating a ton of ram

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gbee:

have to agree with that, I've turned it on/off a few times on my nvidia laptop, but at the end of the day it didn't add anything useful

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clever:

even after compiz is shut off

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famicom:

whoever came up witht the idea to make my windows wobble should be fucking shot

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clever:

lol

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clever:

ive got about 3 diff effects set to trigger when the system beeps

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clever:

because beeping is broke on the hda intel card:P

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gbee:

it's 'eye candy' but a lot like Aero on Vista, it's only good for eating resources

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directhex:

i find compiz useful. translucency is useful, especially on terminals (e.g. reading info from an email and typing into a foreground terminal), and a more "animated" desktop is easier to keep track of

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clever:

making the screen wobble is simpler then tracking down why i cant beepin beep

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AlsMe:

I'm trying to encode mpeg movies to x264.. how would I do this? I'm using win XP

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directhex:

a window which *moves* into existence is easier to track than one which just starts existing

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famicom:

AlsMe go troll elsewhere

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directhex:

AlsMe, why is this relevant to this channel?

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famicom:

directhex he's just trying to get a flamewar started

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abqjp:

My pre-amp does not have HDMI, so I hook up SPDIF to it, and the video just goes to my TV. My TV does not support 1080P via HDMI, only VGA so I use VGA.

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famicom:

well

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famicom:

i got the exact opposite

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gbee:

I'm sure compiz will evolve into some useful stuff, I can see some of it being handy but I'll wait for it to settle down first

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clever:

the only problems ive had with compiz

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clever:

is when i have 2 opengl things going at once

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clever:

mythtv in gl mode

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clever:

or google earth

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clever:

then things start to go nuts

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famicom:

that's an understatement

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clever:

things on the 2nd desktop redraw when im focused on the 1st

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clever:

colors going crazy

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directhex:

i have no trouble on that front, unless a GL app wants fullscreen, then things can be a bit weird

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directhex:

but i have trouble as it is when a fullscreen GL app gets its focus stolen, compiz or no

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gbee:

abqjp: I found the image quality, especially the colours to be better with HDMI – unsuprising maybe, but the difference was incredible – black was black with HDMI, but grey with VGA

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abqjp:

Did the problem with the OpenGL video renderer ever get fixed? I am talking about having to re-start X between each show.

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clever:

but it only takes a few seconds to stop compiz

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directhex:

abqjp, nvidia bug. i believe it's fixed, i don't remember having that problem recently

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gbee:

the TV is only 720p and I'm feeding it a 720 (768) signal

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abqjp:

gbee: My next TV will be able to accept 1080P via HDMI. I am looking forward to that.

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clever:

crap

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directhex:

one day i will afford a 1080p set

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clever:

i got a 1 hour recording of tv listing!

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gbee:

directhex: I'll wait for the prices to come down to sane levels first :)

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gbee:

even then, I've never seen the attraction of TVs big enough to actually need 1080p

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directhex:

gbee, a 37" 1080p set from a brand name is less now than i paid for 26" 768 samsung

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famicom:

well

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famicom:

i got a nice 32" lcd tv

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famicom:

no idea why

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gbee:

they look pretty in the shops, but I'd have to sell furniture to fit one in the living room

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famicom:

i dont even watch tv

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famicom:

but hell

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famicom:

i have one

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gbee:

directhex: yeah, but still more than I'd prefer to pay

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directhex:

gbee, i have a tv unit which will take some 42", most 40", and all 37"< sets

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abqjp:

When I bought my house (10 years ago), it took 9 months to "find" because a requirement was a 20x20 room for my "home theater" — in my price range.

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directhex:

http://www.ikea.com/PIAimages/66915_PE180394_S4.jpg

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abqjp:

20x20 feet, for all you Europeans ;-)

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abqjp:

I actually really which the US would switch to metric.

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gbee:

considering that ten years ago a 26" TV was considered large, I'm not sure I need to go bigger than the current 32"

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gbee:

not unless I plan to setup a cinema

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directhex:

abqjp, but how will people know how many rods their car gets per hogshead of gas, if they can use floating point math?

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abqjp:

s/which/wish/

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gbee:

think my neighbours have gone overboard, 230ft away I can see what they are watching on TV

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gbee:

in their front room, while I face the back of their house ....

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famicom:

well thats a bitch watching porn

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directhex:

famicom, big teevee -> BIG titties

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famicom:

ok, that i hadn't yet taken into account

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gbee:

well then it's a bitch if you prefer small tits ;)

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famicom:

no idea what that means

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directhex:

gbee, well, watch midget porn, and on a tv that size, it turns into merely "normal" porn

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gbee:

heh

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famicom:

am i the only one that doesnt think midgets are funny

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kbidd:

when I use the composite in on my card, everything looks OK when I use analog channels on my TV, but it switches to black and white when I use digital channels... I assume this is because of a different TV standard (although im not too knowledgeable)... any advice on how to get color picture?

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kbidd:

(I am using mythtv to record something off of the tv-out signal from my actual tv)

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MrGandalf:

I have a stupid user question.. I have 5 tuners (DVB), 1–4 are connected to static dishes and tuner 5 to a rotor. I don't want tuner 5 to EVER record. I have recpriority set to -50 for all inputs on that tuner.

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MrGandalf:

Now, give Myth would like to select the highest tuner for a given channel (5 in this case), assuming the recpriority is -50, would Myth's scheduler look to tuner 4 instead?

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gbee:

MrGandalf: I guess we know how it should work in theory, but maybe the easiest way to find out would be to try it?

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MrGandalf:

gbee: probably I suppose

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