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J-e-f-f-A_:

esotericisms: Depends on what show it is...

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J-e-f-f-A:

esotericisms: lots of sitcom episode guides on http://www.tv.com

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esotericisms:

J-e-f-f-A: do they do old listings somewhere>

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J-e-f-f-A:

esotericisms: What's the program? Did you search for it on the site?

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iamlindoro__:

To the guy who dug up my e-mail to ask his question rather than just ask it in channel, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Bluray

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iamlindoro__:

I wrote that so I wouldn't have to explain it every time ;)

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iamlindoro__:

And if he's *not* here any more to see that answer, then shame on him for writing me at my e-mail anyway

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro__: what do you know about blue... ? ;-) JUST KIDDING! ;-) How's it going out ther?

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esotericisms:

J-e-f-f-A: thanks!

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esotericisms:

that is awesome, takes a bit of time

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esotericisms:

but its worth it

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J-e-f-f-A:

esotericisms: no problem. ;-)

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Ethald:

what is a good tv-tuner card for me to try mythtv with?

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wagner:

analog or digital?

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Ethald:

digital

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Ethald:

or does it matter?

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wagner:

well analog, get a hauppauge

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wagner:

digital, get whatever you can find thats the cheapest and and supports linux

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Ethald:

does it matter which I get?

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Ethald:

I'm using time warner to get cable, could I use either an analog or digital?

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esotericisms:

can anyone give me the channel guide information for USA network for the last 4 months?

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wil__:

hello im having some problems with myth tv setup

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wil__:

im using an ati tv wonder pro

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wil__:

when i hit watch tv i get the video but the audio keeps repeating itself

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wil__:

and if i then exit out of the tv the correct audio continues playing

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J-e-f-f-A:

wil__: Then you need to mute your line in playback volume.

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bob2600:

hi has anyone had any success running a SA4250HD through firewire if so what method did you use?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wil__: In Linux, not mythtv btw...

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wil__:

jeffa if i do that audio will not play at all?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wil__: No, it will play fine. Myth records the tv sound from the line in, then plays it back through the pcm output. Even livetv gets recorded, then played back. ~3 second delay.

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wil__:

is there a differnce from muting and moving the slider down?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wil__: Yes, technically, but they should have the same effect really. I'd suggest muting it though... alsamixer should do it.

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wil__:

theres not mute icon just the slider

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wil__:

but moving the slider all the way down i get no audio in myth tv

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J-e-f-f-A:

wil__: How about a 'select' checkbox? un-select it.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wil__: Which one did you move down? The Playback, or recording?

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wil__:

all i have is line

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wil__:

its not seperated into playback and recording

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J-e-f-f-A:

wil__: There are seperate settings for Recording/Input vs Playback/Output..

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J-e-f-f-A:

wil__: Basically, you've got one of two things configured wrong then – either a) The wrong audio input device for your tuner card, or b) The wrong audio output device for Mythtv.

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wil__:

well what i have is cable running from the back of my tv tuner card into the line in port on my sound card, how would i configure that?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wil__: So you need to configure your video card in mythtv-setup, with the 'audio device' that corresponds to your line input, usually /dev/dsp ...

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wil__:

im getting the tv audio tho

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J-e-f-f-A:

wil__: And mythtv (in mythfrontend, setup) to playback on the PCM channel.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wil__: Is it several seconds out of sync with the video?

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wil__:

what happens is ill hit tv, and it will keep repeating, the synced audio will be playing but so will a other audio

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wil__:

my audio device is configured to /dev/dsp

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J-e-f-f-A:

wil__: Ok, so then all you have to do is mute the LINE input from your playback audio device, like I said at first. What distribution/desktop are you running?

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wil__:

mythbuntu

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J-e-f-f-A:

wil__: Ok, is there a graphical mixer in the menus that you can use? (I can look, but it will take me ~5 mins to boot my mythbuntu box)

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wil__:

yes there is

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wil__:

the options that say line are line and line2

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wil__:

if i move the slider line down the audio stops

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wil__:

but if i go into mythtv the audio wont play there either

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J-e-f-f-A:

wil__: There's no option of input/recording vs output/playback? Sounds like it's controlling both at once.

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wil__:

only line or line 2

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wil__:

would using the mic port instead of line work?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wil__: It would probably distort horribly...

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wil__:

i tried it, does the same exact thing

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J-e-f-f-A:

wil__: Sounds like the mixer didn't detect your sound card properly then, and you're actually controlling the master volume level or something...

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kormoc:

wil__, http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

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** J-e-f-f-A bookmarks the site kormoc posted for future reference... ;-) **

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wil__:

i had tried this before $ amixer set Master,0 100%,100% unmute

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wil__:

$ amixer set PCM,0 100%,100% unmute

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wil__:

$ amixer set Line,0 75%,75% mute captur

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wil__:

$ amixer set Capture,0 100%,100% captur

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wil__:

and when i got to capture it said does not exist or somthinf of the sort

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kormoc:

that's a bit of a problem then, your card might not support doing this

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: ps: even re-booting my system didn't get rid of the bogus nx sessions... Oh well, another day... ;-)

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kormoc:

strange

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wil__:

i have a surround sound card in my computer and a onboard one built into the motherboard

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: And my newly-added PCIe HVR-1250 HD tuner seems to work great, but every time I boot my system, it's like russian rulette with my video devices... I'm sure I've just got to setup my modprobe.conf right, just haven't gotten around to it yet...

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kormoc:

a udev rule could fix it too

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J-e-f-f-A:

wil__: Are they both enabled? And which one are you feeding the TV audio into, the on-board, or the card? (what's the card btw?)

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Yeah, one of these years I've got to study up on udev... I've been running Linux/MythTV for like 4 years now, and still have alot to learn! ;-)

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wil__:

im only using the surround sound and i believe its the only one enabled, it comes up in the graphical volume control as auidigy2

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wil__:

im in alsamixer right now in a terminal window

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wil__:

and it says i should be able to press space to go to capture

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wil__:

but pressing space dose nothing

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wil__:

i can see4 capture but cannot select it

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wil__:

the instructions im following (Next, use the left and right cursor keys to move around on the screen until you find the "Line" slider. Press SPACE to set it as the capture source, set the level to around 50–75% and press "M" to mute it. You can now press ESC to exit out of the)

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wil__:

ahh wait, tab does it

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wil__:

but nothing in alsa mixer is seeming to mute it, even under the capture setting

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wil__:

and still, Line has no capture option?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wil__: I'd check the 'flags' in the mixer setup, and/or google audigy and linux...

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wil__:

flags?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wil__: or 'switches' – the mixer programs usually have a set of switches that are specific to the sound card.

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wil__:

tried all the switches

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wil__:

one of them labled Auidigy Analog/Digital Output Jack muted the tv audio, but once again i got nothing in myth tv as well

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wil__:

should i try taking out the sound card, using another one, or try the onboard audio?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wil__: You could, especially if you're only going to be using it for Standard-Definition TV.

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rsc-232:

wil__: which audigy?

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wil__:

all i have are surround speakers so id perfer if i could use a surround card

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wil__:

audigy2 but i also have a siig card here as well

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wil__:

im having more problems using the onboard audio card

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wil__:

how would i tell myth tv to use the microphone port instead of the line in?

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wil__:

because im still having the same problem, once i mute line in port i get no sound at all in myth tv

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wil__:

but now its just a delay, i dont get the echo anymore

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kormoc:

wil__, and if you pause playback, do you still hear the audio?

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wil__:

i hear the audio even if i close myth

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wil__:

i was told that i had to mute my line port, but if i do that i dont get any audio at all in myth

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darkwizzard:

anyone help me on this dvb-bt8xx: probe of dvb0 failed with error -14?

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wil__:

. i cannot adjust the capture of my line either

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wil__:

there is only one slider in alsa for line, and muting it gives me no sound in myth

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darkwizzard:

wil?

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wil__:

mmm

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wil__:

does anybod have a cheap surround sound card they can suggest that works in mythbuntu

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kormoc:

wil__, I used a sound blaster 16 bit

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Dagmar:

Wow

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Dagmar:

wil: Basically, anything that will work under Linux will work

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Dagmar:

...which is pretty much anything.

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Dagmar:

Excepting possibly Sound Blaster X-Fi, which still has driver issues you dont' want a part of

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darkwizzard:

is there a easy fix for dvb-bt8xx: probe of dvb0 failed with error -14?

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Dagmar:

ANy cheap-ass SBLive 5.1 card or Cmedia card or Turtle Beach card will work

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wil__:

i have a cmedia card

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wil__:

im still getting audio problems

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Dagmar:

So start with making sure the *output* is working correctly.

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Dagmar:

There's stuff in the wiki about it, but I'll save you that step at least

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kormoc:

wil__, then why did you say audigy before?

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Dagmar:

Do you have 5.1 speakers?

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wil__:

i have two sound cards in my home, im trying both of them

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Dagmar:

Pick one and stick with it

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wil__:

yes i do have 5.1

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Dagmar:

...and they're all plugged into the right placesw?

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wil__:

yep

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Dagmar:

OKay, so type `speaker-test -t wav -Dsurround5.1 -c 6` and hit enter

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Dagmar:

You will hear a woman's voice calling out each speaker

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Dagmar:

LFE is your subwoofer and it'll be pretty unintelligible

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Dagmar:

...but the rest will be pretty straightforward

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Dagmar:

There *is* an asoundrc snippet in the wiki that will do upmixing for stereo->5.1

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Dagmar:

I put it there myself, but the first thing is to make sure your speaker work like they're supposed to

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wil__:

the problem im having is when i mute the line in i dont get any audio in mythtv whatsoever, and if i leave the line in unmuted i get delayed audio

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Dagmar:

Don't care.

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Dagmar:

First things first.

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Dagmar:

Trust me, sound is complex enough without trying to solve everything at once.

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Dagmar:

I know why your'e getting the echo and so forth, but we'll get to that in a minute

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Dagmar:

You've got one of those damn framegrabber cards.

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Dagmar:

...and evidently yours isn't sending audio over DMA, which is why it's a "damn" framegrabber card.

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wil__:

DMA?

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Dagmar:

Direct Memory Access. DOn't worry about it.

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Dagmar:

Just think of it as "magic juju"

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Dagmar:

You don't have it so it's not to be worried over.

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Dagmar:

The card you do have is dependent on you feeding it the audio through line-in over a short stereo cable

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Dagmar:

You will need to do the following things (in layman's terms)":

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Dagmar:

1. Make sure that cable is plugged into line-in, which you've apparently done.

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Dagmar:

2. Tell myth to use it as the recording source for audio (should be obvious in the config)

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Dagmar:

3. Make sure it's NOT being sent "pass-thru" so that you hear everything going into line-in in realtime.

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Dagmar:

#3 is done through alsamixer IIRC

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wil__:

it is being heard in real time

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Dagmar:

Note that when you're looking at alsamixer up near the top there's a line that says "View:"

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Dagmar:

You mute line-in under Playback

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Dagmar:

You hit TAB to switch to Capture View, and *usually* just make sure line-in is selected as the capture source

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Dagmar:

You definitely do NOT want it muted under Capture

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Dagmar:

The "delay" you were getting is because Myth ALWAYS records everything, and ONLY plays recordings

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wil__:

i cannot select line as capture

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Dagmar:

Then don't worry about it

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wil__:

if i leave as is i get the delay, if i mute line in in playback i dont hear anything at all

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Dagmar:

No shit.

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Dagmar:

Listen carefully

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Dagmar:

The "delay" you were getting is because Myth ALWAYS records everything, and ONLY plays recordings

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wil__:

i get it

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Dagmar:

This means there WILL be "delay"

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Dagmar:

The video will *also* be delayed, so they should be in sync

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wil__:

they are not in sync, im seeing the recorded video, hearing the realtime audio

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Dagmar:

No sh â”‚

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Dagmar:

it.

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Dagmar:

Again, mute the line-in under playback.

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wil__:

yes, then i hear nothing

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: Good luck ;-) I've gotta crash... ;-)

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Dagmar:

It's under mythtv-setup IIRC that you tell myth it needs to record from line input

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Dagmar:

j-e-f-f-a: I'm about to give up

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Dagmar:

The Capture and PLayback modes of the sound card are ENTIRELY separate channels.

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Dagmar:

Muting line-in for playback has NO effect on it's capture ability

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Dagmar:

If you get no audio, you need to properly set up mythtv, NOT keep leaving line-in playng in realtime

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wil__:

in myth tv setup, under capture card i have audio device /dev/dsp

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Dagmar:

Myth needs to know to record from the line-input, which is why you don't want it muted under Capture because then you'll DEFINITELY get no sound

[03:35:00]

Dagmar:

Yeah and there's more details than that in there, I'm sure

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Dagmar:

Otherwise you get to go try again under Capture view and make "CAPTUR" appear under the line-in entry

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Dagmar:

If you can't select that, then yer sound isn't configured, or your sound card is unsuitable for any purpose

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wil__:

/dev/dsp and none are the only options under audio device

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Dagmar:

Have you looked at the wiki documentation at all?

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wil__:

i dont even know what im looking for

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Dagmar:

No, you're being lazy

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purserj:

/w/win 7

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wil__:

ive been trying to get myth working for 3 days now? lazy?

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Dagmar:

This isn't kindergarten

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Dagmar:

You don't get points for flailing at the keyboard

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Dagmar:

In thre days you could have read every page on the wiki if you'd wanted to, but you haven't

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Dagmar:

So stop trying to find new ways to say "I can't do it"

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wil__:

all i know is that the capture has to be unmuted, playback has to be muted, and myth has to be told to listen to the line in

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Dagmar:

Yes, which is more than you knew 10 minutes ago apparently, and is documented all over the wiki

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wil__:

and how would i know that i was looking for that?

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wil__:

i think your missing the point of this chatroom

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Dagmar:

I think you're missing the point of documentation

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wil__:

well then do what you would do in a chatroom and point me twords the documentation that directly solves my problem

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Dagmar:

What the fuck do you think I'm digging for right now?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wil__: You've been pointed to the documentation, and told over and over again what the issue is.

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Dagmar:

I'm pretty damn sure what you need is within thre clicks of http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

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J-e-f-f-A:

wil__: How many times would you tell somebody the same thing before you got fed up with them?

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wil__:

ive tryied everything you have told me to solve the problem

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wil__:

the problem persits

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Dagmar:

Bullshit

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wil__:

ive tried this!

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Dagmar:

I told you you need to select line-in as the capture source, and you didn't do it... you came back and said you couldn't

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wil__:

i told you i tried this

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Dagmar:

I think you can

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Dagmar:

If you can't set line-in as the capture source then you are DONE because you can't use that sound card

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Dagmar:

Go BACK into alsamixer, press TAB to change to [Capture] view, use the arrow keys to select the Line Input, and hit the spacebar so that CAPTUR appears under line input and nothing else.

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html, for whatever reason, directs people to use kmix to accomplish the same exact purpolse

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Dagmar:

This isn't #ubuntu, by the way

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Dagmar:

Neither are we voices in your head.

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Dagmar:

Many of use, myself included, have been using Linux for this and many otehr things for over a decade

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Dagmar:

I ain't just whistlin' dixie when I tell you you have to have line input selected as the capture source

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Dagmar:

I think I got my first TV card back in like 96 or something

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wil__:

problem solved, thank you for your patience

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Dagmar:

Good lord I need to donate a decent firewall to this coffee house

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Dagmar:

I have reconnected to my house NINE damn times while we've been talking

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Dagmar:

That's what those weird delays are about

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Dagmar:

I definitely need to just bring an Ubuntu CD over here to Jack

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Dagmar:

There's a public terminal at the coffee house and it's running Windows, and my connection problems are probably some DoS bot on the damn thing because it's infected like a dockworkin' lady of the night

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Dagmar:

wil__: and *see*. I *told* you you could do it

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Dagmar:

You just have to basically take less "lip" from the computer.

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Dagmar:

Ya gotta learn to beat on it until it does what you're telling it to do when your'e sure of what you need done.

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Dagmar:

OH!

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Dagmar:

For god's sake, as root, run `alsactl store` once that's set up, to make it save those settings for the sound card to be SURE things don't just revert to "don't @#$@ work" after you reboot

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Dagmar:

Not all distros do this for you

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Dagmar:

@!$ just got email from Amazon saying the tapered reamer I ordered is actually out of stock

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Dagmar:

Screw it, I'll use a sharp knife to cut a round hole

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Dagmar:

Soooo much trouble jsut to install a wireless card in something

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Dagmar:

Hmm... cafe is closing. Later

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bobgill2:

I'm trying to use mythrename.pl, I'm getting this error: http://pastebin.com/m5478671a

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kormoc:

bobgill2, so install DBI?

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darkwizzard:

to make lirc work do i have to recompile myhtv?

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justinh:

darkwizzard: not usually – unless you didn't build it with lirc support built in

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justinh:

darkwizzard: mythfrontend --version will tell you if it was built with lirc support

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Gumby:

hello all. any dvb users around? I am trying to figure out how to properly configure my diseqc. I can successfully scan one satellite but not another. Anyone have any experience here?

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justinh:

Gumby: your chances of seeing another user who uses diseqc in here are slim to none

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Gumby:

justinh: I figured as much, it was worth a shot though :)

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Gumby:

I did manage to figure it out so all is well :)

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justinh:

Gumby: what was up? worth wiki'ing it?

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Gumby:

naw, I followed an online guide and it didnt work the first time. I started again from scratch and managed to get it working. docs are already out there

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directhex:

Gumby, well, if the docs weren't 100% correct, then new ones are needed!

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directhex:

and i don't think there's a page on the mythtv wiki on setting up diseqc

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justinh:

there's bog all on the wiki about dvb-s

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Gumby:

well, um... I'm probably not the best person to put stuff on the official wiki as my mythtv setup is... how should I put it.... um.. patched

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justinh:

naughty!

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directhex:

HAX!

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Gumby:

hrm, I got myth to scan from the second LNB but I cant get it to display any video from it. damn

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justinh:

didn't think any patches were necessary these days, what with virtual devices & all

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stuarta:

oh behave

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Gumby:

lol

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Gumby:

not many :)

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Gumby:

I got excited too soon. the diseqcs second port scanned, but its not switching to that port when changing channels

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Gumby:

damn

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justinh:

tempted to say "serves you right", so I will :)

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justinh:

and to think – all that & you'll never get any support for it beyond where you got the dodgy information from. Aww

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Gumby:

lol, well this doesnt have anything to do with that other stuff

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justinh:

wouldn't bet on it

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Gumby:

this is purely a switching issue

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anykey_:

Gumby: I'm using diseqc with mythtv, works pretty good. What did you exactly patch for?

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Gumby:

anykey_: thats offtopic here

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anykey_:

Gumby: then don't expect help

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Gumby:

anykey_: Im not asking for help to do with that

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anykey_:

Gumby: then use an unpatched install to test diseqc

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directhex:

he has a point

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directhex:

if it's your 100% legit and legal patches causing breakage, then... well... good luck

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anykey_:

besides you don't even need these patches ;)

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Gumby:

anykey_: do you have multiple sources setup? One for each LNB?

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Gumby:

schedulesdirect has all of my providers info in one listing. So I only added one. I think this may be the issue

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stuarta:

no that is valid, so long as you can see the same channels out each lnb

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Gumby:

stuarta: you cant. but schedules direct doesnt make a distinction there

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stuarta:

you can. i do it with dvb-t

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Gumby:

2 dual lnbs?

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stuarta:

dvb-t

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anykey_:

Gumby: I have multiple sources for multiple sats, yes

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Gumby:

you cant see all channels out of both lnbs

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Gumby:

you can only see one set out of one LNB and another out of the other

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stuarta:

then you need multiple sources

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Gumby:

(in my setup)

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Gumby:

Im used to cable where you can share one source between inputs

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stuarta:

that's like dvb-t, all channels on all inputs across multiple cards

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stuarta:

= 1 source

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directhex:

if your sources say every card has access to everychannel, how does myth know to switch inputs for specific ones?

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justinh:

yup. 1 source between 3 tuner cards. same difference here

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directhex:

it doesn't

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stuarta:

it knows that it can get than channel on another card as well

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stuarta:

so it's available to resolve conflicts in scheduling

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Gumby:

if schedulesdirect doesnt differentiate between the two satellites I am hitting im not sure how mythtv will know the difference even though I define a second source

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stuarta:

any way your statement "if your sources say every card has access to everychannel" is wrong

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stuarta:

the sources are attached to every card

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stuarta:

= input in my case

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justinh:

Gumby: a different sat IS a different source since it'll carry different channels

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justinh:

otherwise WTF is the point in aiming at different satellites?!

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stuarta:

Gumby: i thought there was a way of specifying lineups with SD

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justinh:

you need multiple lineups

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stuarta:

so you make 1 for each sat in your profile

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justinh:

one per satellite

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stuarta:

SNAP

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Gumby:

justinh: yes, but check out schedules direct for ExpressVu. It has one listing for the combined channels which reside on two different satellites

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justinh:

maybe what you're doing isn't condoned by SD :P

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Gumby:

then why would they even have an expressvu lineup then

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justinh:

sounds like you'll have to resort to script-fu to separate them out

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justinh:

Gumby: for people who aren't cheating

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Gumby:

justinh: it'd be useless. lol

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justinh:

i.e. for those using Expressvu with a set top box

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Gumby:

justinh: why would they need SD?

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justinh:

to get it into mythtv. DUH

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Gumby:

all the data is in their STB guide

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Gumby:

lol... but if you get both satellites you HAVE to use two LNBs

[08:09:58]

justinh:

yeah but the STB deals with all of that

[08:10:12]

justinh:

the phrase 'user transparent' springs to mind

[08:10:55]

stuarta:

Gumby: i'd suggest asking later on when the US wakes up, you may find some ppl who actually use multi lineups and can be more useful

[08:11:06]

Gumby:

the STB isnt a switch, it can only tune to the horizontal or vertical transports at a time, if its on, its tuning to one. if you tried to tune to the other using myth, it wouldnt be able to

[08:11:28]

justinh:

Gumby: you just don't get it do you?

[08:12:03]

** stuarta offers justinh a chill pill **

[08:12:04]

Gumby:

justinh: I do get it. What you are suggesting isnt practical at all

[08:12:16]

justinh:

Gumby: but it's the reality of the situation

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Gumby:

and im not the only one to run mythtv and two LNB's so I guarantee there is a setup step I am overlooking

[08:12:47]

stuarta:

some of the older sat setups used 2 lnbs, one vert, one horiz polarized

[08:12:51]

justinh:

if you're trying to get pay tv without paying for it you don't deserve ANY help whatsoever anyway

[08:13:03]

Gumby:

justinh: and who said I am trying to do that?

[08:13:14]

justinh:

you did.. with 'patches (wink)'

[08:13:18]

Gumby:

justinh: you do know you can use valid subbed cards

[08:13:28]

stuarta:

lets just ignore that for now

[08:13:33]

justinh:

whatever

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directhex:

the "legit" way to access encrypted sat services for which no legit CAM is offered, is to use the vendor-provided set-top box, and capture the analog video output from the back of that

[08:13:35]

Gumby:

justinh: because the patches arent supported here

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** Gumby shrugs **

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directhex:

if the STB can handle multiple LNBs and present them to the user as a single service, and no CAM is offered, then it's correct to treat them as one service

[08:14:36]

Gumby:

directhex: STBs dont have builtin switches

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stuarta:

my guess is one does vert & the other does horiz

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** Gumby sighs **

[08:15:03]

stuarta:

so does your STB have 2 LNB inputs?

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directhex:

Gumby, so how do legit users access 2 different LNBs then? cable swapping?

[08:15:57]

Gumby:

directhex: the receiver connects to a 2x(X) switch

[08:16:10]

Gumby:

stuarta: nope, just one

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directhex:

Gumby, as far as someone using a legit STB is concerned, they have one service. the mechanics at the back end don't matter. so there's diseqc – so what? if both birds are sold together in one package, why should SD list them distinctly

[08:16:39]

directhex:

?

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stuarta:

fine. that makes sense

[08:16:41]

Gumby:

the only stbs that would have dual inputs is one with dual tuners. which still doesnt provide switching duties

[08:17:06]

stuarta:

actually my bet would be

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directhex:

sky tv is 5 birds. does it matter? sky is sky

[08:17:31]

stuarta:

that the box just asks for vert or horiz, which the switch pulls in from whichever lnb

[08:17:49]

stuarta:

ie. that switch is what is commonly inside a universal LNB

[08:18:11]

Gumby:

stuarta: the box sends out a tone (in hertz) which causes the switch to choose between which LNB it needs to use

[08:18:35]

stuarta:

which is exactly what happens with a universal lnb

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directhex:

so it's a tone switch

[08:18:52]

stuarta:

so don't put the switch in the config at all

[08:18:57]

Gumby:

dishpro lnbs have internal switches whereas legacy lnbs will use external ones

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directhex:

at any rate, the solution is to set up two lineups, both for the same service, then edit the lineups to make them "per-satellite". SD allows lineup editing doesn't it?

[08:19:10]

Gumby:

stuarta: no switch = only 1 bird

[08:19:33]

Gumby:

directhex: yes, but you can only choose a specific lineup once. so the solution there would be to get a second SD account

[08:20:01]

directhex:

no duplicate lineups? hm, file a bug request with SD?

[08:21:10]

Gumby:

stuarta: a switch combines H and V from a single (dual) lnb into one so that multiple STBs can use the switch at the same time

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stuarta:

yes i know

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stuarta:

thats one type of switch anyway

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Gumby:

if you have two dual lnbs and you want to use more than one lnb you have to either cascade switches or use a switch and diseqc

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Gumby:

err.. want to use more than one STB

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bmead:

Has anyone received thier HD PVR 1212 from hauppauge? Mine isn't due till the end of May.

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t0ny-p40:

Is it possible to change the timing of a channel? The guide data is 3 hours too fast.

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jarle:

t0ny-p40: I think you can use the tmoffset in the channel table for this.

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jarle:

t0ny-p40: but I'm not 100% sure that this is what it is used for, I'm just guessing based on the name :)

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t0ny-p40:

jarle, thanks

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justinh:

now that's interesting. apparently on wednesday night the manchester ambulance service suffered more assaults than on New Years Eve. definitely need to think about banning the fitba

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t0ny-p40:

jarle, tmoffset does not seem to do anything. :/

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stuarta:

apt is on drugs

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stuarta:

The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libqt4-core libiso9660–5 libcwidget1 libpq-dev libsqlite3-dev libsqlite0-dev libvcdinfo0

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stuarta:

lets see if a distclean will work

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stuarta:

wtf has happened to nickserv

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clever:

stuarta: looks like a split:P

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stuarta:

more like a grand canyon

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clever:

lol

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clever:

chanserv also started notice spaming me

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clever:

stuarta: also in synaptic i think i saw a flag on packages for 'automaticaly installed'

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stuarta:

got my netsplit msgs, plus chanserv going bonkers

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clever:

if you uncheck that then it will stop offering to remove qt4 and break myth

[09:20:32]

stuarta:

it actually rebuild just fine after a distclean

[09:20:36]

stuarta:

rebuilt

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stuarta:

even after removing libqt4-core

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clever:

lol

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stuarta:

>8-)

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clever:

but does it run?

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stuarta:

dunno

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stuarta:

\o/

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stuarta:

services are back

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janneg:

it hasn't removed the devel package

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justinh:

t0ny-p40: check your timezone

[09:21:50]

t0ny-p40:

justinh, everything else is right

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t0ny-p40:

except trutv

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justinh:

trutv?

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t0ny-p40:

I sent a report to SD

[09:22:24]

t0ny-p40:

was court tv

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t0ny-p40:

only show they have thats worth watching is cops

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justinh:

to each their own I suppose

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stuarta:

well ldd can find all the required libs for the backend and frontend

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janneg:

stuarta: qt packages are probably changed

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stuarta:

probably, they do that all the time

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stuarta:

but it works

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jarle:

janneg: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5367 It still crashes at the same place even when compiled with --compile-type=release

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** Dibblah loves people that consume marketing. **

[10:57:06]

Dibblah:

70 wakeups from sleep / second "interferes with the power saving features of the kernel and the hardware."

[10:57:32]

justinh:

well, alphapulse... rahhhhly!

[10:57:36]

Dibblah:

Which actually means an increase in power consumption from 90w to 90.001w.

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scopeuk:

o'rly?

[10:57:45]

Dibblah:

It is... Infinitesimal.

[10:58:07]

justinh:

but ur killing da planetz!

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scopeuk:

*roll*

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quicksilver:

Dibblah is in ur PSU, killin ur planetz!

[11:07:49]

nicholas_:

I've got some channels in my channel table that don't have a channum. Might they have come from mythfilldatabase?

[11:08:21]

directhex:

captain planet, he's our hero

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directhex:

gonna take pollution down to zero

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nicholas_:

ah, I think it's through listing channels in the xmltv config which are not in the channel table for that source already

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Traveler2:

Hi. I was wondering if anyone have any experience with using MythTV with encrypted MPEG-4 DVB-T broadcasts in Europe?

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stuarta:

that depends on what you want to talk about

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directhex:

i want to talk about sexview HD, using a sexview HD CAM

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stuarta:

you just need sex

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** stuarta chuckles **

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Traveler2:

is it possible to make MythTV stream live TV DVB-T broadcasts over the internet?

[11:21:18]

directhex:

Traveler2, if you have 10 mbit upstream, yes

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Traveler2:

I do

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stuarta:

now that sounds an awful lot like stealing tv and sending it to your mates

[11:21:54]

Traveler2:

Moving to another country this fall, and I like my national TV

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directhex:

hang on, who's encrypting mpeg4 on dvb-t in europe?

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stuarta:

k, fair enough

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Traveler2:

RiksTV in Norway

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stuarta:

directhex: quite a few sats

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directhex:

stuarta, sats use dvb-t now?

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Dibblah:

Sat over DVB-t?

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Dibblah:

Wasteful ;)

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** stuarta trouts himself **

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Traveler2:

But is MythTV able to decrypt channels?

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** stuarta goes back to the 1000 email inbox **

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Dibblah:

Traveler2: As long as you have a valid CI / CAM / Card, yes.

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directhex:

Traveler2, mythtv can decrypt channels if you have a compatible hardware CAm, and CI-enabled tv card

[11:25:34]

Traveler2:

and it is possible to remote control this and watch live streams just like a slingbox with this option?

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stuarta:

perhaps a slingbox is really what you need?

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directhex:

if you have 10mbit upstream.

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Pasteurized:

hi all

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Pasteurized:

I've set up correctly (appenrently!) TV channels, but when I go to "watch TV" I had a blank screen for a couple a second, and then it goes back to main menu

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Pasteurized:

any clue for fixing this ? thanks all

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stuarta:

have you set the start channel to a valid channel number

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stuarta:

it defaults to 3

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justinh:

have you set the tuner type to the correct one in mythtv-setup ?

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Pasteurized:

in the channel list I have to kind of channel : the ones detected, and the ones named (with xmltv I think)

[11:36:21]

Pasteurized:

i have restared backend, and it seems that I can now select xmltv channels in "start channel"

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Pasteurized:

i'm gonna see if it works now

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Pasteurized:

:)

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justinh:

wonder how the xmltv wizardy stuff is coming along for UK folks

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stuarta:

dunno, i never use it

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directhex:

wasn't it under your steely gaze?

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stuarta:

nah, the other stuart

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justinh:

I started the idea AFAIK then an xmltv dev said he was running with it

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directhex:

fleeee!

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justinh:

ahhh http://xmltv.org/wiki/lineupproposal.html

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Pasteurized:

it happens the same

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justinh:

Pasteurized: so let's see some log. nothing doing without log output from mythbackend in a pastebin

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Pasteurized:

ok, i'm gonna find it

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justinh:

/var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log is a good place to start looking

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Pasteurized:

thanks

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justinh:

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Pasteurized:

http://paste.ubuntu.com/12443/

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hope it'll help :)

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justinh:

two things

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justinh:

1. your setup is set to start on channel 3 which doesn't exist

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justinh:

2. no write permission on /home/tups/recordtv/

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justinh:

mythtv-setup would have warned you about both those things!

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Pasteurized:

Ihave to set permission to which user ? mythtv ?

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justinh:

whichever use mythbackend runs as – usually mythtv, yes

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Pasteurized:

ok, done

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Pasteurized:

it works !

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Pasteurized:

thanks

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Pasteurized:

the thing is, now I cant see tv channel, but ugly snowy screen, maybe a misconfigured SECAN or PAL setting

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justinh:

or maybe you've just not put frequencies into mythtv-setup against the channels you have configured

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Pasteurized:

I've used "channel search" tool

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justinh:

there's no guarantee that will find usable channels as far as I know

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Pasteurized:

first, I am pretty sure that we use SECAM format in France

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directhex:

you do, for videotape

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directhex:

but not for broadcast, iirc

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justinh:

yes, for broadcast

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justinh:

broadcast came before videotape

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Pasteurized:

iirc ? never ear about it :/

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justinh:

iirc == if I remember correctly

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justinh:

all broadcast TV in france is SECAM unless it's broadcast digitally

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Pasteurized:

ok @ iirc !!! :-)

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I though it was a TV format

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justinh:

heheh PoE is blowing up our older product. whoops!

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directhex:

whose fault?

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stuarta:

whoops indeed

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justinh:

will probably blow up our latest product too. cut n paste :D

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justinh:

directhex: ours

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directhex:

whoops

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justinh:

well, maybe ours, I dunno

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justinh:

the surge protection devices on the lines are pretty standard

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justinh:

maybe PoE kit should be able to detect whether whatever is plugged in is PoE aware or not

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justinh:

strange that they've put the power on the tx+, tx-, rx+ & rx- pins though.. I guess that's how the two 'standards' vary

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GreyFoxx:

justin: yeah, poe should detect it

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GreyFoxx:

assuming both ends are poe compliant :)

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GreyFoxx:

I've got 3 poe switches on my desk at work and I plug random stuff in all the time without a problem

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GreyFoxx:

I have seen a poe adapter wallplug fry a laptop once. Obviously not a "smart" piece of equipment doing any detection

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justinh:

sooooo it's the PoE adapter at fault

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justinh:

and the bastards still get a warranty return

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GreyFoxx:

the poe switches are smart, but the plain power adapters are "dumb" and usually just dump power with no attent at detecting if the other end actually wants power

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justinh:

they plugged a laptop in & it didn't blow up, so obviously our dvr is the problem :-\

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justinh:

maybe the laptop doesn't have lightning protection ;)

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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justinh:

speaking of PoE, there should be enough spare ports on the switch so we can have a phone in the lab now, what with all the people having left.. but hey I won't shout about it. like the peace :)

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sh4d:

anyone aware of which options you have when you want to automate the "manage video" part of mythvideo in a cron job?

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justinh:

apart from none, you mean?

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justinh:

other than using a script

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justinh:

a script independant of mythtv altogether

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justinh:

if you're not bothered about metadata just set mythvideo to browse files

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sh4d:

i have it set up to grab the imdb info for movies and do the screenshots for tv eps

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sh4d:

only annoying part is having to do the manage videos before it will pick that stuff up

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antgel:

hi. i've set "show frontend in a window" but it's made no difference. anyone able to assist or shall i raise a bug report?

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antgel:

using 0.21 btw

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justinh:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7077 sh4d ?

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justinh:

antgel: you need to restart mythfrontend for that to work AFAIK

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antgel:

justinh: "The topic or post you requested does not exist"

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antgel:

mythfrontend restarted itself

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justinh:

antgel: I was talking at sh4d

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justinh:

antgel: when you set the checkbox did you just esc back to the menu again?

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justinh:

you have to step all the way through to FINISH

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antgel:

justinh: no, it's properly set. actually, it's interesting – when it's set to windowed mode, i get the (not working) resize bar at the bottom of the window, but no bar at the top to move the window

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justinh:

you can't resize the window. that isn't supported

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antgel:

justinh: i don't want to

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gbee:

yet

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justinh:

as for the window furniture not appearing, I'd blame your window manager

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antgel:

i'm just pointing out what happens

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antgel:

justinh: why?

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justinh:

because it works fine here

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antgel:

justinh: all my other apps come up properly decorated. QED :)

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justinh:

so? that doesn't mean mythtv is broken

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antgel:

and it doesn't mean my WM is broken

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antgel:

i'll take it to developers

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justinh:

is Compiz/Fusion involved btw? that might be responsible

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justinh:

has been known ;)

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mythtv_windowed.png

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stuarta:

awwww pwetty

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antgel:

no compiz, just simple windowmaker

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justinh:

running mythfrontend with any 'special' options?

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justinh:

heheh #5107

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gbee:

hence "(15:01:08) gbee: yet"

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wil_:

hey is there a way to schedule somthing to Play, i only see a way to schedule somthing to record

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directhex:

you could use atd and the telnet interface

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directhex:

but generally speaking, nothing user-friendly

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wil_:

and will it always save everything i watch as a recording?

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antgel:

justinh: no special options. this is a bug, i'm just trying to find out where

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directhex:

mythtv only plays recordings. "live" tv is playing an active recording. changing channel switches which channel is being recorded.

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wil_:

yeah i know that, but i dont want it to save those recordings

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wil_:

i want myth to delete them once i leave the tv program unless i tell it to specifically "record" them

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directhex:

it does.

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directhex:

already.

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wil_:

if i got to media library, watch recordings it will show the things i watched? will these be deleted over time? if so how long? can i change the amount of time they stay on my system?

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directhex:

if you don't filter them; yes; a day; maybe, i haven't checked

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wil_:

okay, thanks

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gbee:

antgel: what does "mythfrontend -w -geometry 800x480+20+20" do?

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antgel:

gbee: yeah, that's good, once i turn on the titlebar in window attributes

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antgel:

does mythtv hint to the WM to have titlebar off by default?

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gbee:

no

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gbee:

we request normal borders

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antgel:

okay then, i suspect a bug in wmaker. i'll chase it with them

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antgel:

thanks a lot for your help

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gbee:

the +20+20 just offsets the window so the title appears on screen, but doesn't change the window flags

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antgel:

gbee: yeah, i figured. i also worked out why mod4 + right button didn't move the window – i should have used mod4 + left button *blush*

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MinDKrime:

anyone read this: http://www.contentagenda.com/article/CA656150 . . . stryid=45173

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MinDKrime:

looks like MPAA trying to close the analog hole...

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ttuttle:

I've got a USB TV tuner where the audio works fine in tvtime, but it sounds metallic and crackly in MythTV.

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ttuttle:

Any idea what the problem might be?

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Dagmar:

A question for the driver authors

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directhex:

ttuttle, change the sam[ple rate to 48khz

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directhex:

if you can

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ttuttle:

directhex: How?

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ttuttle:

directhex: It's supposed to be 48 kHz, I believe.

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ttuttle:

directhex: (That's what the driver developer told me to use with arecord to test it.)

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directhex:

not sure. i haven't touched analog for about 5 years

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ttuttle:

directhex: heh

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directhex:

it's a myth setting

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ttuttle:

lemme try

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gbee:

directhex: heard anything yet?

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directhex:

gbee, from compro? no

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BrianBoyko:

Hello – quick question. How many seperate MythTV front-ends can connect to a single MythTV back-end?

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stuarta:

lots

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BrianBoyko:

Thank you!

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stuarta:

hahahaha!

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** stuarta awards himself the "Special Award for Unhelpfulness" **

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directhex:

that WAS pretty good

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stuarta:

i was about to say dependent on your network speed from your backend

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stuarta:

but he naffed off

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** sutula wonders how many other easy questions could get answered here :) ...such as, are recording priority numbers lower for higher priorities? (Seems to be, based on one try) In other words, "0" is highest priority? **

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stuarta:

which is higher 0 or 1

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stuarta:

?

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sutula:

I scheduled two programs, one at 0 and one at 5, and the one at 0 is the one being recorded

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stuarta:

is there an alternate showing for the 5?

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kslater:

priority isn't just recording priority though, is it?

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stuarta:

no

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stuarta:

certain recording types take priority over others

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stuarta:

like "record only this" is #1

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sutula:

OK...so way more going on there than I expected

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stuarta:

then the more general the rules the lower the priority

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kslater:

doesn't myth still compute an actual number for the priority, taking all things into account?

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stuarta:

yes

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sardiskan:

has anyone ever run into a problem where the mythtv frontend just STOPS when trying to get back to the main menu?

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Dagmar:

The frontend never crashes.

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Dagmar:

Never, ever.

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kslater:

define STOPS?

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gnome42:

hehehe

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kslater:

I've had it stop all over the place. Mostly because the Frontend machine croaked due to heat or interupts or bad hardware implementation

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sutula:

Is there any documentation reference, howto, or whatever for this recording priority stuff?

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kslater:

myth daily usage guide on the wiki?

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stuarta:

tried the documentation?

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** sutula has been over the wiki quite a bit, but will look some more **

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Dagmar:

...and people think I'm crazy for saying mythtv should ask the user to quote a word from a particular line on a particular page on the wiki before it starts

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gnome42:

Hiya stuarta, did you happen to see #5265? It sounded good and reminded me of your sync issues.

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stuarta:

i remember that form of copy protection on games about 10 years ago

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** stuarta looks **

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Dagmar:

It also proves the user can read

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sardiskan:

I mean it just isn't running anymore

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sardiskan:

and the frontend DOES "Crash"

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Dagmar:

Wow. This is going to be slow going

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sardiskan:

It only happens IF I go into LiveTV.

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stuarta:

gnome42: not seen anything like that

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sardiskan:

I can go into any other section on the frontend and get back to the main menu w/o a problem...it's only if I go to LiveTV and then try to get back to the main menu

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Dagmar:

LiveTV is no different from recorded tv

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kslater:

so you go into live tv, then back out, then try to go to the main menu and myth exits

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mzb_d800:

stuarta: don't you mean 20+ years? ;)

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sardiskan:

even if I go into livetv then say JUMP to videos or JUMP to picutres...if I try to go "back" from there...the frontend just stops

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stuarta:

possibly

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mzb_d800:

time flies ;)

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kslater:

sardiskan, have you tried running mythfrontend from an xterm and seeing what it spits out when it dies?

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gnome42:

stuarta: ok :)

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sardiskan:

All I see is gnome

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sardiskan:

ahh

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sardiskan:

no

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sardiskan:

let me try that

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kslater:

you can also adjust the amount of logging before you invoke mythfrontend

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kslater:

er, as you invoke mythfrontend

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** stuarta vaguely remembers them running on a 286 or 286 **

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stuarta:

er 386

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Dagmar:

Or you could tell it to ask for confirmation before exiting so when you slap ESC-ESC-ESC to get out of TV mode it doesn't completely exit the frontend

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sardiskan:

would you like to see it?

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sardiskan:

kslater?

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kslater:

pastein

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kslater:

sorry

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kslater:

pastebin

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Dagmar:

pastein mach frei

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sardiskan:

hang on

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sardiskan:

ok..here you go kslater

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sardiskan:

http://pastebin.com/m298d0eb0

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Dagmar:

I am astonished it works at all

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sardiskan:

why is that?

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sardiskan:

ok, I took out the OpenGL and it doesn't Segfault when I try to back out of LiveTV

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sardiskan:

but I liked the OpenGL fading

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i_is_cat:

anyone know how to speed up the cursor when using a remote as a mouse? i adjusted the lircmd.conf file but the only setting that seems to be affected it the max setting, the cursor is still dirt slow

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kslater:

yeah effects are great, except when they cause something you want to run to blow up.

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gbee:

backtrace

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gbee:

so have all the ubuntu users created new ssh/ssl keys yet?

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Ryushin:

gbee: It's only for those users that haven't had debian or ubuntu longer than 2 years.

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Ryushin:

Has there been any word on drivers yet for the Haupauge HD DVR yet?

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gbee:

or have generated new keys in the last two years, including any keys generated during package updates etc

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gbee:

better to be safe and run one of the various weak/blacklisted key scripts or applications that are floating about

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GreyFoxx:

ryus: there is a driver and patches for myth that will likely show up as users start receiving them

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Ryushin:

Kernel patches as well?

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GreyFoxx:

whatever the driver is made up of

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Ryushin:

So ordering a couple around august should be fine then.

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GreyFoxx:

I'm planning to order one next payday heh

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Ryushin:

I don't have any digital cable yet, so there is not much point yet for myself.

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wil_:

hey in the program guide is there a way to schedule a program to play, and not to record it?

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GreyFoxx:

wil: huh ?

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GreyFoxx:

as in at that date/time the frontend just opens the channel and starts playing?

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wil_:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

No :)

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wil_:

well thats stupid

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GreyFoxx:

hah

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wil_:

i understand myth is recording all the time, but i just want to take me to the channel and then mark that recording for deletion later, like watching normal tv

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GreyFoxx:

huh?

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GreyFoxx:

I think we are miscommunicating here

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GreyFoxx:

What you just described is the default LiveTV behaviour

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GreyFoxx:

It records/you watch, and it auto deletes it later

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wil_:

yes but i want it to preform that livetv behavior on a certain channel at a certain time

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GreyFoxx:

There is no such behaviour

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GreyFoxx:

but you could likely fake it with a simple script and the network controls

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GreyFoxx:

use the network controls to start LiveTV and change channels

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wil_:

so the only way for me to view a certain show at a certain time is to tell it to record it

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GreyFoxx:

Yes, You schedule reecordings, not playback

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GreyFoxx:

To do what you describe would need something like crontab and a script/network controls

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wil_:

okay, also , is there a way to set mythtv so it will delete the live tv recordings immedietly so they onw show up in my Watch Recordings tab

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sid3windr:

heh

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wil_:

wont* show up

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GreyFoxx:

wil: no, minimum set time is 24 hours, but there is already a config setting in the frontend menus to prevent LiveTV from showing up

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wil_:

ahh where can i find that setting

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GreyFoxx:

But just to check, go to Watch Recordings, hit Menu, pick Change Group

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GreyFoxx:

set it to "Default" instead of "All Programs"

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wil_:

i dont have default, only livetv

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GreyFoxx:

Ok, I suppose Default only shows up if there is a regular recording in there

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GreyFoxx:

There is an option in the setup menus to not include LiveTV in the All Programs group

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GreyFoxx:

you'd have to look for it, don't remember exactly which setup page it's on

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wil_:

do you know where that is?

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wil_:

kk

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justinh:

tv playback options IIRC

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wil_:

excellent, found it thank you

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wil_:

if my computer is off, and i have somthing scheduled to record, will myth turn on my computer, i know it sounds crazy but i had a tv tuner that actually did that

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kcam0822:

The right and left arrow keys don't skip forward or back when watching a pre-recorded video....

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kcam0822:

this is happening on two computers

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justinh:

wil_: if you set up nvram wakeup or whatever (see the wiki) then yes – if your motherboard supports it properly

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justinh:

kcam0822: here are your options: 1. timezone is screwed up 2. recordedmarkup table in mythconverg is screwed up 3. your 'pre-recorded video' doesn't have a seektable

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wil_:

kk tnaks

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gbee:

or 4. You don't have the left/right keys bound to skipping

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darkwizzard:

hello all

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kcam0822:

Well the timezone looks ok....

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darkwizzard:

i mess up big time i unstalled a file now lircd will not run

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kcam0822:

can mythconverg be fixed?

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ajh:

anyone know of an effort to merge programmes/videos and to do a real hierarchical sort system that all fits together nicely and is usable by 'average users' with finer grain parental controls?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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kcam0822:

gbee I have never had to bind the arrow keys since using myth dapper

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ajh:

how about a wait to assign channels to recording groups by default?

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ajh:

s/wait/way/

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gbee:

would have been a better joke if you could actually see the panic

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justinh:

gbee: lol

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justinh:

wouldn't you have to guess my password first?

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directhex:

justinh, no, that's the point

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directhex:

justinh, any ~/.authorized_keys file containing an entry from a debian or ubuntu based system means passwordless hax

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gbee:

no, not if you are using the supposedly more secure public_key authentication

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justinh:

tbh I don't know wtf I'm using

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justinh:

better not go for that sysadmin post in a hurry then eh ;)

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gbee:

well it normally is more secure and certainly easier to use (passwordless logins, good for backup scripts etc)

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gbee:

unless some numpty at debian reduces the number of potential keys to 65000

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justinh:

jeebus I'd never consider a passwordless login on an open ssh port

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gbee:

justinh: all my ssh connections use public_key, much harder to guess a 32 character randomly generated key than any password I could devise

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justinh:

it's not _that_ much hassle to type in a login

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sid3windr:

depends if the script that needs to log in needs to run at 3am

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sid3windr:

do you want to get up then to type it in? ;)

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justinh:

then I'd only allow passwordless logins from known hosts..

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justinh:

or am I talking out of my arse?

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PatrickDK:

never allow passwordless logins, ever

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directhex:

that's the idea of a ssh key. it's a "unique identifier"

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PatrickDK:

only public key logins

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directhex:

PatrickDK, mmmhmm, don't get a job in HPC is all i can say

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PatrickDK:

hpc?

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directhex:

justinh, you give your logon on a given machine a "unique id" by generating a key, then you tell other machines "let the guy with this key in"

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justinh:

ahhh, see I didn't know anything about that

[17:25:35]

justinh:

never bothered to RTFM (the full manual) on SSH

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directhex:

justinh, it's public key cryptography, so there are two keys – the one you share with everyone, and the private one which "unlocks" the public key

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AndyCap:

of course. even if you have a password on your ssh keys it's all for naught with this bug

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justinh:

last thing I want to learn about on a Friday night after a big glass of wine tbh :)

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directhex:

justinh, so it's not a case that if someone gets ahold of your public key then they have the same access as you. the private key (kept secret and safe) can be sued to access any machine you've seeded your public key (not a secret, theoretically safe to publish) on

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justinh:

heh. and some folks give out their public keys like candy

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justinh:

what I really want to know is.. can I safely carry on being ignorant? ;)

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directhex:

justinh, the problem with this bug is rather than there being billions of keys (essentially unique), there were about 65k. 65k is pretty easy to brute-force

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justinh:

yeah I realise that

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kormoc:

directhex, 32k no?

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directhex:

kormoc, oh i dunno. X number, times dsa, times rsa, times 1024 length, times 2048 length, etc

[17:29:06]

directhex:

kormoc, not enough!

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jduggan:

32k

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kormoc:

directhex, justinh, here you go, pre-bruteforced, http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/

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justinh:

I met a problem with insuffient atrophy before I stopped using gentoo. apparently its built-in random number gen wasn't enough for php. had a few experts fuddled for half an hour or so

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jduggan:

took 29seconds across a lan

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gbee:

both figures have been thrown around, either way it doesn't matter

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jduggan:

and 11minutes across internet

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jduggan:

to brute SSH keys

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kormoc:

justinh, uhh... php uses /dev/random, which is a kernel level generator, it's all the same...

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directhex:

justinh, you can be ignorant if a) you've updated any ubuntu/debian systems with the latest updates (replaces your ssh host key) and b) have no users with ~/.ssh/id_* files or ~/.ssh/authorized_keys fikes

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directhex:

kormoc, ln -s /dev/zero /dev/urandom

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justinh:

so er.. lil ole me here with my ssh sitting there all nice & that... I have to login with username and password on all my machines over ssh but.. somebody could brute force my private key & get in without having to log in?

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directhex:

justdave, not if you run a dist-upgrade

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kormoc:

justinh, if you generated your private key on ubuntu, yes, they can download from that site and get in as you

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AndyCap:

justinh: only if there are any authorized_keys files lying about

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kormoc:

justinh, wait, if you're using user&pass, you're likely not using key-auth

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justinh:

never bothered changing the default setting, so I guess for now I don't have to worry too much

[17:34:03]

justinh:

somebody might delete all the soap archives! oh noes!

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gbee:

kormoc: update anyway, should be quick and then you won't have to worry (The update on ubuntu should delete/regen all the keys)

[17:34:24]

kormoc:

gbee, the fact that it does that pisses me off majorly :P

[17:34:33]

gbee:

don't know if the same applies to all debian based distros

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kslater:

kormoc, correct. It's only a threat if you have systems that allow key-auth and have keys on the systems generated from the crappy randomness of the faulty debian stuff

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justinh:

and kormoc – for the record it caused a good deal of head-scratching – ended up having to install a random num. generator ebuild to make it work. even the guys in #gentoo said it was the damndest thing. trust me to stumble upon something like that

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gbee:

kormoc: yeah, it's annoying (for affected users, I'm not :) ) but then given the newbie quotient using ubuntu I think it's for the best

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kormoc:

justinh, crazyness abounds

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kormoc:

gbee, yeah, it just reenforces that Ubuntu is not the right choice for me :P

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kslater:

and any outward facing system should be running something like sshdfilter anyway to shut down brute force attempts

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kormoc:

fail2ban, badhosts, etc

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gbee:

denyhosts

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gbee:

which is what I use

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jduggan:

you can just do it in iptables

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jduggan:

without those scripts

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kormoc:

jduggan, how do you do tarpitting in iptables without a script?

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kslater:

my servers used to get hammered overnight and during the early morning with rogue attempts against ssh before this

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gbee:

though a lesser problem server keys should really be regenerated to prevent man-in-the-middle attacks (remote enough that it is unlikely to happen to anyone, but still)

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jduggan:

kormoc: well, --state NEW -m recent

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jduggan:

you can do seconds/hitcount

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jduggan:

and drop it after its reached the hitcount within timeslot

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justinh:

jees! PermitRootLogin yes in my default ssh config file

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gbee:

jduggan: more flexibility, easier setup and better logging are the reasons I prefer denyhosts – the distributed blacklist isn't a bad idea either

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kormoc:

jduggan, sure, but my preferred solution does hitcount^2 seconds, I couldn't seem to do that purely in iptables

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justinh:

bad default, that

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** kormoc beers at denyhosts **

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kormoc:

*peers

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justinh:

serious networking stuff is something I should get my fat head around one of these days

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justinh:

esp. if I ever want to get out of my shitty job

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kormoc:

networking is fun!

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gbee:

I've tried straight forward iptables based approaches and though I don't think denyhosts is the best solution, it beats out everything else I've tried

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jduggan:

im not saying iptables is the best way, just saying most linux systems (certainly all stock installs) can just do it with basic iptables rules

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gbee:

I'm not interested in just tar pitting or blocking ssh break-in attempts, I have to let through legitimate traffic whatever IP it might come from

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jduggan:

justinh: speakin as a network engineer for an ISP.. serious networking stuff is overrated :P

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justinh:

heh funny. a massive drop in apache kicking-in attemps in the last 2 days

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justinh:

have the kiddies redirected their attention or what? ;)

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gbee:

I use denyhosts to run "shorewall drop {ip}" after 3 failed login attempts

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justinh:

jduggan: not talking about for a job in serious networking per se – just to help my prospects of getting out of the shit tip

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justinh:

if you hate your job so much you're not just thinking about redoing your CV...

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gbee:

since denyhosts uses a central server of blacklisted IPs most attempts are blocked even before they've tried my machine

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jduggan:

all jobs get boring after you've been doing it for an amount of time

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jduggan:

i havent got so bored yet :)

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jduggan:

kind of hard in IT really :)

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wil_:

is there a way to set progressive scan as the default?

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kcam0822:

I have run mysqlcheck -r -uroot -p mythconverg and my database checks out ok....

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kcam0822:

also the skip forward & back work ok for an analog recording but not for a digital

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sardiskan:

here is a strange one....my "Movie Times" component was working fine a little while ago...then I did an update to the OS and now the movie times component stops the frontend.

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sardiskan:

get this error in the logs:

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sardiskan:

Error parsing data from grabber: Error: tag mismatch Location Line: 1 Coumn 58

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sardiskan:

WTH?

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xris:

jams: rebate form went into the mail today.

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wil_:

is there a way to set progressive scan as the default?

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xris:

I still have half a dozen or so if anyone else wants a 15% mail in rebate for a logitech harmony remote. :)

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xris:

wil_: progressive scan for what?

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wil_:

myth tv

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wil_:

when i go to watch tv i have to manually set it to progressive scan every time

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xris:

for what, though? dvd playback? video playback? recordings playback?

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wil_:

i want that to be the default for when i hit watch tv

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xris:

are you using .21?

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xris:

mythtv does interlace/progressive based on the playback settings.. it should auto-detect progressive streams

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wil_:

well on its default setting the screen is shakey, selecting progressive scan fixes the problem

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xris:

go through and look at the deinterlace options and playback settings in the frontend...

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wil_:

ive looked and cannot find a way to set it as default, i was hoping somone here would know where that would be if it did exist

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justinh:

sardiskan: you're the 2nd person to report that today. I suspect that the scraping script is borked

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wil_:

also, if im watching a video can i save the position im at, exit and then come back to that position

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wil_:

?

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gbee:

wil_: just disable all deinterlacing in the playback profiles

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gbee:

wil_: recording or video (mythvideo)?

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wil_:

mythvideo

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justinh:

wil_: saving playback position on exit is another tv playback setting

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wil_:

saving position in mythvideo tho?

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gbee:

don't think video bookmarks are supported yet, maybe with 0.22 – DVD bookmarks are and technically we can save bookmarks for video, I just don't think they get used

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wil_:

kk

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wil_:

where would i disable dienterlacing

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wil_:

frontend or backend setup?

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gbee:

frontend, tv, playback, 3rd page – edit the playback profiles

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wil_:

and change it to what? none?

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gbee:

yeah none

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gbee:

you shouldn't really have to do it, but in this case it might be easier than fixing your video setup problems or whatever else is causing the shaking with deinterlacing enabled

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wil_:

fixed! thank you very mutch

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wil_:

so no way to save position in mythvideo?

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gbee:

don't really use it, I know the underlying code is there though, but it may never have been given a frontend option

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gbee:

bookmarking exists for recordings, it would only take a very simple patch to add it for mythvideo – assuming that everyone is using the internal player (adding support for mplayer and xine might be possible but ultimately it's pointless to extend support for external players)

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wil_:

mmkk

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gbee:

http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=4421

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GreyFoxx:

bookmarks work fine in mythvideo if you use the internal player

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GreyFoxx:

You can bookmark dvd's as well if using the internal player

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: cool, but no menu option to decide whether you resume from the bookmark or the beginning?

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wil_:

how do i use bookmarks in recordings?

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gbee:

wil_: press SELECT (Space/Return) to set a bookmark – should see a Bookmark Set messge in the OSD

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: Honestly not sure. I disabled that popup for recordings. For me if I have a bookmark set I always wanna sytart there

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GreyFoxx:

I know the DVD's bookmarks will prompt you

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wil_:

kk thanks

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: yeah, I don't have the popup shown by default, but it's accesible through the context menu in watch recordings – since I use automatic bookmarking and have "toggle bookmark" enabled, if I wanted to start over from the beginning I need to use the menu

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gbee:

err "toggle bookmark" disabled – so pressing SELECT doesn't clear the bookmark

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sardiskan:

WTF...why all of a sudden does Movie Times crash the damned frontend?

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sardiskan:

is anyone else seeing this

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directhex:

<sardiskan> here is a strange one....my "Movie Times" component was working fine a little while ago...then I did an update to the OS and now the movie times component stops the frontend.

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sardiskan:

I did a fresh install and it still happens

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directhex:

<justinh> sardiskan: you're the 2nd person to report that today. I suspect that the scraping script is borked

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sardiskan:

must be...and it can't be something in mythtv...

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rsc-232:

http://gizmodo.com/370820/myka-brings-bittorrent-to-your-tv

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sardiskan:

no updates

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adc_:

hello i have a alphacrypt and a card but unfortunately it doesnt work, there was a tool in the past which i used in order to read information from the cam module does someone know which one this was?

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directhex:

i suspect vdr comes with such tools

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adc_:

directhex: it was a tool for accessing the cam

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AndyCap:

adc_: http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /013927.html ?

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bsdfox_:

everything is being recorded in my livetv directory instead of my storage directory.. I've got both of them setup :|

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gbee:

rsc-232: will be interesting to watch the legal fallout

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directhex:

gbee, they're goin' down faster than a compro in a shitstorm!

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paulc999:

Hello people: I cannot change channels during live tv, but my system will change channels on scheduled recordings.

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gbee:

device might be interesting as a frontend

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paulc999:

I also can change channels manually with my change channel script, as either the mythtv user or my own user

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gbee:

well if it wasn't for all the branding splashed over it

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directhex:

gbee, as janneg pointed out, compro's webhosts are in the US. so anyone with code in 2.6.17 can file a DMCA takedown

[19:41:43]

gbee:

might be too agressive considering that we'd like them to cooperate with open source drivers, but I'm not the lawyer and I presume FSF etc know what they are doing

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directhex:

well, gpl-violations hasn't replied either

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directhex:

generally, it's a bit shit

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gbee:

hmm, this beer is nice

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gbee:

maybe try attracting someone's attention in #fsf or similar?

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directhex:

i went to a beer festival filled with fine ales

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gbee:

lucky you :)

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directhex:

and some cider

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directhex:

and 4 perries

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gbee:

not a big fan of cider, but I like trying out different ales

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gbee:

will probably try and fit in a couple more brewery tours on my holiday this year

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directhex:

http://www.northoxfordshirecamra.org.uk/festival/beerlist/

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directhex:

beery.

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thrope:

hi – im planning to build a mythtv system in the uk – can anyone tell me if its easy to get it to work with freeview – can anyone recommend a card?

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directhex:

trivial; nova-t

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gbee:

directhex: nice

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thrope:

also I'd be interested in what hardware people use... the main thing is something quiet so I was thinking of getting hold of an old poweredge sc420 – would this be ok? what sort of graphics card is required? (surely nothing too fancy

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thrope:

are widescreen tv's supported? (analog tv) is a graphics card with s-video ok?

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directhex:

thrope, PEs are noisy as hell

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gbee:

thrope: no hassle at all – grab a Nova-T like directhex suggests – there are many other cards you could chose, but Nova-T's can be found everywhere and are guarenteed to just work

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directhex:

thrope, and any tv card with decent drivers is fine

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thrope:

oh – I found the old sc420's pretty quiet, but maybe it;s just in comparison to the rack mounts

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thrope:

seem quieter than my old xbox anyway

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gbee:

s-video to widescreen (analogue) is also fine, until recently that was the setup I had

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thrope:

is that in mythtv then? (and set the tv to 'widescreen' which sort of stretches it?)

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gbee:

thrope: mythtv supports widescreen and HDTV resolutions

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thrope:

oh great the nova-t is quite cheap!

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gbee:

my setup for the last 3 years has been freeview and I'm shortly adding freesat too

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thrope:

for hardware: i'd ideally like something with 3 51/2" bays (one optical drive and 2 for 3 hd drive caddy)

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gbee:

thrope: not the cheapest, but as I said before, if you want to avoid hassle it's probably the safest bet

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/build/

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thrope:

not too worried about size (a tower is fine) but I'd rather get something cheap second hand. quiet is quiet important

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gbee:

probably overkill for your purposes – more or less, any old system can play SDTV these days

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thrope:

does recording live tv hammer the drives? do people leave it on all the time doing that (so you can pause)?

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thrope:

I was planning to have 3 large drives in a software raid 5 for media storage... would it be ok to use that for mythtv recording as well?

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gbee:

thrope: generally most people don't bother watching livetv once they are used to mythtv – you schedule all your favourite shows and when you fancy watching TV you just pick something from the list – but if you want livetv then mythtv records it as long as you are watching so that you can pause/rewind etc

[19:58:16]

thrope:

and can you turn the live tv recording on and off (ie only have it doing it while you are watching rather than all the time)

[19:58:34]

gbee:

thrope: it only records as long as you are watching

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thrope:

ok

[19:59:16]

thrope:

does it punish the disks much? does it encode as you are watching to store in the buffer? (so is the cpu used all time)

[19:59:23]

directhex:

gbee, except epia. epia can't play sdtv

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gbee:

raid is fine for mythtv – but it doesn't actually need it, you can specify multiple locations for recordings to be stored and it will just spread them out over the available space

[19:59:31]

kormoc:

thrope, depends on your capture card

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directhex:

thrope, not with freeview

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directhex:

thrope, freeview is already encoded. it just needs to save

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gbee:

directhex: yeah, epia is crap

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kormoc:

thrope, bot you're talking about 2 to 3 megabit per second typically

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thrope:

sorry for all the questions – just trying to get an idea if the recording live tv is practicle... not really too bothered about it but it would be a nifty feature to sell the idea of having a computer in the living room to the missus

[20:01:17]

gbee:

thrope: freeview is already encoded as mpeg2 in the broadcast, we just save the stream to the disk – no real cpu overhead in recording, doesn't really do much harm to the disks, though you'd want to look at getting quiet ones for a living room situation

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thrope:

ok

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sutula:

Is there a good solution to having something like a mythfrontend that can only 1) watch recorded programs, and 2) maybe watch live TV? No setup options for kids to mess up, etc.

[20:03:13]

kormoc:

sutula, you can customize the menu options all you want

[20:03:17]

thrope:

can you easily turn mythtv off and get a desktop on the tv (i'm thinking of running azureus and such in the background) or is an external monitor necessary... in my experience from laptops trying to use deskopts on the tv screen is not great but perhaps there are some tricks (turn the resolution down or have a better graphics card)

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sutula:

kormoc: And that can be per-client?

[20:03:53]

kormoc:

sutula, yes

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thrope:

and are there any easy/cheap remote control solutions for mythtv (one of the nice things about xbmc is the remote control)

[20:04:22]

kormoc:

thrope, the backend is seperate from the frontend, so yes, you can exit the frontend

[20:04:27]

** sutula is pleased to see mythtv has already done so much of what he's learning he needs to have :) **

[20:04:32]

kormoc:

thrope, microsoft mce usb remote is my fav

[20:04:49]

kormoc:

thrope, but any remote supported by lirc works fine

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wil_:

at the begging of mythtv it asked me to run a commmand for roms, it said i could run it at a later time, i forgot what the command was tho?

[20:05:23]

thrope:

kormoc: thanks... looks nice but quite dear (the microsoft one) ~Â£40 first it on froogle... does that sound right?

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kormoc:

thrope, yes, but that's for a remote, usb receiver and usb blasters all together, it's quite worth it imho

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gbee:

thrope: as kormoc said, the Microsoft MCE usb remote is nice – beautiful remote and very easy configuration because it's USB

[20:06:18]

gbee:

thrope: I paid a lot less on Ebay for a new one

[20:06:29]

wil_:

does anybody remember the commmand to fill the rom database?

[20:06:52]

thrope:

ok – if it definitely works its worth the extra money

[20:07:27]

thrope:

what about this: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/129977 how could I look up if it works with lirc (is there a compatibility list)

[20:07:35]

kormoc:

thrope, lirc.org

[20:07:46]

thrope:

doh, sorry

[20:09:03]

thrope:

final question: is it easier to get a mythtv specific distribution and make it do other things (web, samba, bittorrent etc.) or just get a normal distro (ubuntu/debian) and install mythtv?

[20:09:30]

gbee:

thrope: one of the review posts for that suggests that linux sees it as a USB keyboard and so it should work just fine

[20:09:44]

gbee:

but that's not an official endorsement from me, just an observation

[20:10:55]

gbee:

thrope: probably easier to get a mythtv specific distribution – mythtv itself isn't _that_ hard to setup, but it's various dependancies can be tricky and that's where the specific distributions can make life easier

[20:11:12]

thrope:

ok

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directhex:

read my article!

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gbee:

adding packages to those distributions shouldn't be any different than it would be for other distro

[20:11:43]

directhex:

it's tailor-made for the thropes of the world!

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thrope:

thanks for all the help... ive got my shopping list now, more or less, just have to decide whether to build a cheap system from scratch or find an older server and put in nova-t and graphics

[20:12:04]

directhex:

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10005

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thrope:

directhex: ah thats great -just what I need

[20:14:42]

thrope:

so the only thing I'm still not sure is can you use the normal desktop on the tv (for downloads etc.) or is it too blurry?

[20:14:59]

thrope:

(analogue widescreen 28" tv)

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gbee:

directhex: nice article

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directhex:

thrope, it's pretty damn blurry, tbh

[20:16:18]

thrope:

that's what I thought – I guess vnc or nx would be the way to go...

[20:16:24]

thrope:

(from laptop/other computer)

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gbee:

yeah, not really recommended – the reason the mythtv UI is designed the way it is, with large text and minimal clutter is that an SD tv just doesn't have the resolution for a "normal" desktop or application layout

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gbee:

thrope: definately I'd say

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JoeyJoeJo:

I know this is somewhat off topic, but what is the resolution for a 16:9 NTSC dvd? I know regular 4:3 is 720x480, but I couldn't find 16:9

[20:18:44]

thrope:

gbee: yeah – thats what I'd found when I plugged laptops into the tv... but my plan was to just have this on all the time so it shoudl do downloading and stuff... I don't think the old lady would like having to learn a console bittorrent client (and copying the torrent files to the server etc.)

[20:19:49]

thrope:

ok – so thanks again for your help... it's nice to have such a positive helpful response to such beginner questions – i really appreciate it (I've found people in other channels can be less friendly)

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gbee:

didn't know NTSC did proper widescreen – I'm told the US doesn't have analogue widescreen TVs

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gbee:

JoeyJoeJo: AFAIK it will also be 720x480, but with a horizontally compressed image and a widescreen 'flag', the TV/player just stretches the content out to the widescreen format

[20:22:09]

JoeyJoeJo:

gbee: ok, that makes sense

[20:22:10]

JoeyJoeJo:

thanks

[20:22:13]

gbee:

aka anamorphic widescreen

[20:22:47]

gbee:

it applies to PAL, so I guess the same is true for NTSC

[20:23:32]

gbee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anamorphic_widescreen

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jduggan:

hrm, what's the best way to find out if a USB port is usb1 or 2

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kormoc:

lsusb?

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jduggan:

doesnt show

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kormoc:

plug something into it and see which one it showed up on?

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jduggan:

how does that show the port speed

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kormoc:

jduggan, Ooh, I thought you ment which usb port physically it was out of two ports

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jduggan:

aah no, not physical ports

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jduggan:

:)

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wil_:

how do i set up mythgame?

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sardiskan:

you have to install an emulator or several emulators...then load up the roms for those emulators

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sardiskan:

there are several docs on how to set it up

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darkwizzard:

anyone tell me what this means

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darkwizzard:

May 16 16:38:55 DL lircd: could not get file information for /dev/lirc

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darkwizzard:

May 16 16:38:55 DL lircd: default_init(): No such file or directory

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chimp_:

I have a puter running ubuntu-server and its connected to a tv card. I ssh into remotely, which package am i supposed to install to have it erm host the mythtv as such, and do i need a x display to install it?

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Tomas-:

hmmm I have a new strange errormessage when mythbackend crashes

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Tomas-:

2008-05–16 22:42:48.074 DB Error (Looking up chanID):

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Tomas-:

Query was:

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Tomas-:

No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

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Tomas-:

2008-05–16 22:42:48.186 DB Error (Looking up chanID):

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Tomas-:

Query was:

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Tomas-:

No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

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Tomas-:

mysql is working and restarting backend brings everthing up again....

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fiXXXerMet:

Wondering if anyone here has setup mythtv as a guest virtual machine?

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fiXXXerMet:

And if they ran into any problems

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bobgill_:

how can I disable the prompt in mythfrontend when I try to exit? Prmopting no/yes/yes+shutdown

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fiXXXerMet:

Also, can anyone tell me which software mythlogbot is running? I'd like to set one up on my server for another channel.

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Tomas-:

bobgill_: I think it's in the general settings

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Tomas-:

bobgill_: just go thru the settingpages

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fiXXXerMet:

Actually, I guess I just need help with partitioning.

[21:06:53]

fiXXXerMet:

I want a separate /boot, / and /media/storage for the recordings, but what if I want to add another drive to the storage partition later?

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bobgill_:

Tomas-: thx, found it in General )

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bobgill_:

:)

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kormoc:

fiXXXerMet, it's running beirdobot, written by beirdo, http://trac.beirdo.ca/projects/beirdobot/

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AndyCap:

fiXXXerMet: use LVM or look into storage groups?

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Tomas-:

fiXXXerMet: as AndyCap wrote... md(raid) and/or LVM and/or storage groups

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gbee:

storage groups are probably the easiest option, but I'm biased

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clever:

i perfer lvm

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clever:

but its slower to add new disks

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clever:

storge groups would help if you want to quikly add another disk

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AndyCap:

and it won't kill all your files if one dies

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directhex:

gbee, reckon i should mail lkml now or wait until Monday?

[21:22:02]

clever:

you could also raid a few disks together in pairs

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clever:

then lvm the raids together

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blanny:

has anyone successfully compiled mythtv on armv5?

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justinh:

http://www.woteverworld.com/clubwotever/

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justinh:

oopsie

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gbee:

directhex: dunno

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gbee:

justinh: what you do in private ....

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AndyCap:

may not remain private if it is in your pastebuffer.

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justinh:

heh. like I said.. oops

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directhex:

i ought to gpg sign this, really

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justinh:

something I should've done a long time ago. disable right click pasting

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gbee:

gave up on the idea of gpg signing stuff

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directhex:

i expect it'll go down well with the target audience.

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directhex:

To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org

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directhex:

Subject: GPL Violation: Compro Technology Inc, 2.6.17 modified binary-only kernel distribution

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directhex:

SEND OR NO SEND, BITCHES?

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AndyCap:

CC: compro?

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acren:

Just jumped in here on a whime. Any suggestions on upgrading to someone running mythtv 0.19.20060121–2 with a PVR-350 tv-out? or would be if his x-wife didn't have it.

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janneg:

directhex: send it

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janneg:

I had lkml already in the CC of my mail for the linuxtv ml

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** justinh would always suggest replacing the output device with a VGA card, but that's just him & the beer talking **

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janneg:

and deleted it before sending

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gbee:

directhex: send it then, can't do harm, even it it just makes Compro move a little faster than they were already doing

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acren:

justinh: When I by a new machine I'm sure I will, but the current one has a P3 CPU, so it needs all the help it can get ;)

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directhex:

janneg, i mention you in vague terms. would you prefer to be named?

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janneg:

directhex: I don't care

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acren:

For a new install are most people sticking with 0.21 or using SVN?

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directhex:

svn is for develoeprs, not users, right now

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directhex:

right. done. it's in the bowels of the internets now

[22:01:11]

AndyCap:

making its way through the flyinfested cisco router

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directhex:

a real one, or an evil counterfeit? :o

[22:01:37]

AndyCap:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mMRo1Qu3vvg

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AndyCap:

hard to tell

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AndyCap:

:)

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gbee:

considering so many people who bought the counterfeit routers failed to notice, did it really matter at the end of the day? They obviously performed the task adequately

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jheizer:

Howdy

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acren:

directhex: thanks. I used to keep up with the SVN logs, but it's been over a year.

[22:04:21]

jams:

then you have alot of reading to catch up on

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jheizer:

have an issue on .21, starting to watch a recording that is in progress the end time does not progress forward

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directhex:

gbee, same devices, same factory, produced after hours

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jheizer:

stays at the time I opened the file

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jheizer:

every once in a while it will work ok though

[22:05:35]

jheizer:

any tips?

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gbee:

directhex: well that answers a lot of my questions

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directhex:

gbee, hmm?

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acren:

jheizer: I in know way can help you, but out of curiosity what happens when you pas that point while watching the program?

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gbee:

directhex: oh I just mean I had been wondering why anyone would go to the trouble of building an exact replica of a cisco router, exact same functionality and not be in the router business themselves – because they were, as cicso employees

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jheizer:

acren: it kicks back out to the recordings screen, so like last night I started a show 10 minutes in, then after 10 minutes had to close and restart watching

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jheizer:

after it happened twice I just turned it off to let it finish recording

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directhex:

gbee, well, cisco subcontracotrs in china. same difference in this day & age ;)

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gbee:

directhex: I'd not seen anything detailing exactly who and how these counterfeit goods came into existance

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directhex:

http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/5/16/472

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gbee:

I assumed they were Chinese or Korean knockoffs, with Cisco painted on the side, but that didn't really add up because people would have noticed sooner (at least you'd think so)

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directhex:

gbee, if that were the case, they'd probably be sat there praising the new non-IOS user interface ;)

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jheizer:

ha, and of course it is working right now (updated from about a month old svn last night)

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jheizer:

well, another little problem

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jheizer:

recordings screen hangs, I disabled video preview put it seems like I am waiting for thumb nail generation now, can be 30 seconds +

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jheizer:

then once the thumbnail loads everything is as smooth as can be

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jheizer:

end time does seem to be working now, just fired up another recording in HD this time and it is working

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jheizer:

any ideas about the slow recordings screen?

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justinh:

never experienced any problems with thumbnail creation but I have them turned off so I can see more of the show descriptions these days

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Raids:

Hey all

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Raids:

Instead of reading the guide before hand, I installed mythtv on ubuntu and when it asked me for a password for mysql i gave it one.

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Raids:

Now when trying to run the backend setup, it says cannot find database

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Raids:

any ideas?

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directhex:

Raids, #ubuntu-mythtv

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Raids:

ah

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Raids:

k

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jbower:

any one useing or have info on AVerMedia AVerTV Purity 3D MCE 500 PCI TV Tuner, looks like its a mce 500 under a difrent name, but i do not see any thing in the mailinglist or wiki on it

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jbower:

http://www.bigbruin.com/reviews05/avermce500_3

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dustybin:

justinh: this is outrageous, ill fire the whole bloody lot of you if i have to, justinh, your fired!

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jbower:

dose not look good http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4152

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nicholas_:

I seem to have programmes in the 'program' table which refer to chanid's which no longer exist

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nicholas_:

Is there an easy way to find and remove them?

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nicholas_:

"select title, subtitle, p.chanid from program p where p.chanid not in (select chanid from channel);" seems to do it...

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nibbler:

hi

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nibbler:

has anyone ever built a UDF antenna

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nibbler:

http://uhfhdtvantenna.blogspot.com/

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nibbler:

like this one

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nibbler:

erm, UHF*

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devicenull:

well, that was surprsingy easy

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