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EnderTheThird:

Anyone here using a BD ROM with Linux?

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EnderTheThird:

I think I'd like to get a BD player, but spending $180 on a drive for my Myth box sounds way better than $400 on a standalone player. But, obviously, I'd need to be able to actually play everything on there

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Dagmar:

There's no driver that I'm aware od.

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Dagmar:

s/od/of/;

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|Torg|:

you have to rip it do your drive then play it from there

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Dagmar:

Easy route: Buy a PS3

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EnderTheThird:

Dagmar, you still around?

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Dagmar:

Now I am

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EnderTheThird:

Did they stop with the PS3 w/ Spidey deal?

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Dagmar:

Dunno. Depends on where you're shopping I suspecct

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EnderTheThird:

Is there still no option for a backwards compatible PS3? I got that stupid stimulus package refund so that $600 is just burning a hole in my wallet, heh

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Dagmar:

Umm... keep in mind it's not free money.

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Dagmar:

It's an _advance_ on next year's tax return.

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EnderTheThird:

No shit? I didn't know that. I thought it was in addition to *this* year's return

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Dagmar:

So, considering my returns are usually a $400 refund, next year I'll be paying $200 unless I have HR change my deduction rate a bit

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EnderTheThird:

Well I suppose I'll be a little disappointed with next year's refund, heh.

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Dagmar:

Yes, this is why it was somewhat of a stupid plan.

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EnderTheThird:

Yes. Yes. Incredibly stupid.

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Dagmar:

We are in a bit of a mess because rich people (compared to me) can't manage their loans properly.

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Dagmar:

...so to fix it, they arrange for everyone to take a loan.

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EnderTheThird:

Expertly done before elections though. Bravo.

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Dagmar:

Rea-a-a-al smart.

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EnderTheThird:

Heh, yeah.

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Dagmar:

I just moved a 1U server across campus, and that mmight be considered exercise, so I'm going to go have a smoke

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EnderTheThird:

Considering I'll get hosed next year, maybe I'll just spend some of it to upgrade to a gigabit network.

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Dagmar:

Intel needs to use _less lead_ in their chassis design.

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EnderTheThird:

Sounds exhausting, ha

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Dagmar:

EnderTheThird: Frankly, I suggest that since you don't necessarily _need_ GigE yet, it doesn't matter if you get something that supports jumbo frames, or fatty frames, or uber frames or whatever and simply spend the next month peeping tech ecom sites waiting until you see a GigE switch go on sale.

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Dagmar:

When I decided to go 100base-T (from 10) I took two months to do it, but I got an 8 port switch and 12 NICs for under $65 when cheap 8-port switches were going for about that

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EnderTheThird:

Hmmm, not bad. Good advice. I think I'll try to fix my 100Mb connection first. I've only been getting 25MBit lately. not cool.

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Dagmar:

Hmm... likely a loose wire (or improper pinning of cables maybe)

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, I recrimped one end last night so I gotta check the whole length of cable before I go recrimping the other.

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EnderTheThird:

Good thing I still have about 500' of cat5e cable left. Hence why I've been reluctant to upgrade to 1Gb, heh. But I do use a media server, so it would make a difference for large file transfers in my case.

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Dagmar:

I think you'll find that most 5e cables, when crimped very carefully and not exposed to say, massive amounts of EMI, will hold up to GigE use.

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EnderTheThird:

I've never tried. My router is 100Mbit.

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Dagmar:

We run craptons of GigE here at work.

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Dagmar:

Until it met with an accident (okay, so I dropped it and now it's off being repaired) we were using a Validator-NT to test cables before deploying them, and I never saw it fail a 5e cable for GigE. (We run the same test regardless)

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EnderTheThird:

Ouch. Just used netperf to check my speed. 18.87 Mbit to my media server.

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EnderTheThird:

Thanks. If I grab a router I'll be sure to check it with my cat5e first.

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EnderTheThird:

Even if I can just get somewhere in between 100 and 1000, that would be awesome.

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EnderTheThird:

I've been using 'netperf' to check cable performance on my network. Is there something better I should be using?

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EnderTheThird:

Any recommendations for a Gbit router?

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MinDKrime:

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Neeesat:

I have installed: release-0-21-fixes.17316 last night and I am trying to make grabber work with my channels. Although it's downloading the data for some channels in the list with no errors and faults but I cant see any info in the Program guide

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Neeesat:

Here what I get when conpleting the mythfilldatabase: http://pastebin.ca/1017679

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Neeesat:

Anyone around?

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tony403:

anyone know why i have to push the volume button on my remote for every little bit to change it?

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bsdfox_:

anyone been having luck with svn today?

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tank-man:

you can modify the repeat rate for the button on the remote in the ~/.lircrc file

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tony403:

tank-man, thanks. i'm quite new and there's so many config options, it's overwhelming

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tank-man:

the format for that file is here http://www.lirc.org/html/configure.html

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tank-man:

the ~/.lircrc file can be opened in any text editor

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tony403:

what about changing the channels without having to go up, then push ok, etc. like a regular tv. is it in that file as well?

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tony403:

also, anyone using zap2xml successfully?

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tank-man:

not in the file, its a setting from within mythfrontend

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kormoc:

tony403, zap2xml typically is broken, as zap2it doesn't want people doing that, so they change their site to break it as often as they can

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tank-man:

i havent had zap2xml break on me

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tony403:

crap, it's my only option

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tank-man:

set it up once last year and working since then

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kormoc:

tony403, there's always schedulesdirect

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tony403:

i downloaded zap2xml to my desktop, can i run it from there or what? it didn't seem to work when i put in the username and password from zap2it

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tony403:

schedulesdirect is a pay option

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tony403:

i have vista media center and if i'm going to pay, i might as well just use vmc

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tony403:

i ran across a tutorial for zap2xml and have lost it

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tank-man:

have you looked at the docs before the tutorial?

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tony403:

it seems to have no docs other than run the script with pass. and username

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tony403:

nvm, i seemed to have screwed up the command

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tony403:

got it dl'ing

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tony403:

so now I run "mythfilldatabase --file 1 -1 xmltv.xml" and that's it? i actually got a perfect mythtv going for once and don't want to screw anything up

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tony403:

i do recall reading somewhere i had to change the channels or something

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tony403:

i think i have to change the video source. i may have it now. sorry with all the ?'s

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye!

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tjcarter:

can you presently build 0.21-fixes from svn?

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tjcarter:

(clean tree)

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tjcarter:

I have not been able to since there was 0.21 as a target.

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RyeBrye:

I haven't tried for a while

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RyeBrye:

I've been lazy and just using the sniperpad build since the protocol hasn't changed it still connects for me

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tjcarter:

I've generally stopped asking/trying/caring about it due to people's reaction to me doing it

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tjcarter:

Which basically amounts to it works on Linux, so if I can't do it, the problem's mine.

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RyeBrye:

Are you using the packager script to do the build?

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tjcarter:

yes.

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tjcarter:

it fails

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tjcarter:

in a clean directory.

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RyeBrye:

hm. Weird.

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tjcarter:

I've removed fink from the system and migrated to macports, but nothing fink or macports should have ever gotten into the mix anyway if the build scripts do what they should.

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RyeBrye:

Have you posted a bug about it? That nigel guy seems pretty jonny-on-the-spot about fixing build issues in the osx packager

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RyeBrye:

http://www.thesniderpad.com//component/option . . . select/id,2/

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RyeBrye:

if you want to just download a built one – he has a 0.21-fixes universal binary there

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tjcarter:

That would solve a problem or two, but being able to build one would be nice

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, being able to build is always good

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tjcarter:

Particularly since every OS X build I've ever downloaded has been massively buggy ;)

[06:19:50]

RyeBrye:

I don't use my mac frontend too extensively – mostly just when I want to watch something and I'm too lazy to go down to my big screen – but I haven't noticed any major bugs

[06:19:58]

RyeBrye:

(I use it on my laptop)

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tjcarter:

random crashes, lockups, inability to quit the frontend without forcing it--and that's all in addition to the usual Mac bugs like no aspect control since 0.19

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RyeBrye:

I've mostly been holding off on doing major building until the QT4 migration is done

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tjcarter:

heh

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tjcarter:

I've been living outside of trunk until that trainwreck has crashed, burned, exploded, new tracks laid, new trains built, etc. ;)

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RyeBrye:

yeah, no joke

[06:26:22]

RyeBrye:

For the appleTV front, I think there is hope for a UPNP client that can just consume all of the mythtv stuff

[06:26:27]

tjcarter:

I'm still wondering what it takes to get aspect control back =)

[06:26:34]

tjcarter:

I thought about that.

[06:26:39]

RyeBrye:

there is a upnp app out there for the appletv now, but it doesn't talk to the backend now very well

[06:27:01]

RyeBrye:

I sent GreyFoxx some link to it and he said he'd look at it a little while ago... don't know if he's found anything or not

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tjcarter:

I thought about integrating it into a .frapplication, but Front Row has found itself to have some nagging limitations.

[06:28:22]

tjcarter:

I think I would like to replace Front Row with a better thing that can run frapplications in a window or fullscreen, knows how to deal with pgup/pgdn (if that's possible) and other keys, and can handle a multitasking system.

[06:28:26]

tjcarter:

It'd rock.

[06:28:34]

tjcarter:

I need time to code it though, and I haven't got that.

[06:28:38]

tjcarter:

13 credits this term.

[06:28:42]

tjcarter:

Grad credits.

[06:28:55]

tjcarter:

Including a 100 hour practicum.

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, that would take up most of the free time

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tjcarter:

Did I mention the term is 11 weeks long in Oregon?

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tjcarter:

Summer will be a bitch too--9 credits in 6 weeks.

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RyeBrye:

http://users.pandora.be/bruno.keymolen/hmedia.html is the upnp client – currently if you let it sit long enough it will connect to the backend and show all the shows and stuff

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, that would be toug

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tjcarter:

cool

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RyeBrye:

Oh – but they wont play

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RyeBrye:

that's the catch :)

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RyeBrye:

Anyone running F9 yet?

[06:30:52]

RyeBrye:

I'm downloading it now, and planning to upgrade tomorrow

[06:32:48]

piksi:

oh yeah, forgot that it was released

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piksi:

have to try out tomorrow

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Anduin:

RyeBrye: usual nVidia caveat applies

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RyeBrye:

Anduin – if I compile it myself, I should be ok though, right?

[06:35:32]

RyeBrye:

(well... manually install their blob)

[06:35:58]

piksi:

i've never had any troubles with nvidia cards as just getting the latest linux version and building it with sh NVIDIAblahblahblahetc works right out of the box

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piksi:

i prefer it over the distro-included nvidia xorg driver

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RyeBrye:

Hm. Looks like F9 has a new version of X that the nvidia driver doesn't work with yet:

[06:38:01]

Anduin:

RyeBrye: no, ABI changes, the beta can sorta work (but not really apparently)

[06:38:20]

RyeBrye:

Yeah... Guess I'll hold off until the driver is ready

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RyeBrye:

thanks for the heads up

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piksi:

kde4 was a real disappointment with f9 preview, it's still so beta :-|

[06:39:02]

piksi:

will just have to wait

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Anduin:

I have myth playing video on F9 right now, I'm waiting for a real nVidia release before doing it again

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RyeBrye:

The Firefox 3 being installed into all the distros now in its beta form is kind of annoying to me too

[06:40:46]

RyeBrye:

well.... all = ubuntu 8.0.4 and FF9

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piksi:

yeah

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kormoc:

RyeBrye, firefox 9?

[06:41:49]

RyeBrye:

Er :)

[06:41:52]

RyeBrye:

F9 :)

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kormoc:

heh

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piksi:

RyeBrye: it has crashed on a few occasions and isn't as sleek as it should be

[06:42:14]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, plus none of the extensions I use work in it

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kormoc:

firefox 3 is quite close to release form sadly (imho)

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piksi:

luckily most of those i use work already except foxmarks

[06:44:01]

tjcarter:

ubuntu users: go install OpenSSL update

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tjcarter:

THEN come back and sputter about same.

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piksi:

installed it as soon as it became available

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kormoc:

and did you regenerate all your certs/keys?

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RyeBrye:

that would suck

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tjcarter:

and are you still sputtering about the fact that the exploit was there for a YEAR and didn't need to be?

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piksi:

the update regenerates those automatically

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kormoc:

RyeBrye, it's required, as a debian specific patch sorta broke then randomness of the certs

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RyeBrye:

randomKey = 0 * system.currentTimeMillis() ?

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RyeBrye:

;)

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kormoc:

piksi, that's super aweful of it. ssh would break, as would any ssl apache hosts

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kormoc:

RyeBrye, randomkey = PID

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RyeBrye:

ah

[06:47:40]

RyeBrye:

yeah, that is almost as bad

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kormoc:

RyeBrye, it's worse, as there's actually a very limited number of options to generate from

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piksi:

kormoc: i couldn't care less, it's more important that it gets fixed.

[06:48:27]

piksi:

besides i've never seen ubuntu as the best no.1 distro out there

[06:48:34]

RyeBrye:

Well – 0 * the time would be pretty bad :)

[06:48:43]

piksi:

ubuntu has become usable only recently (gutsy/hardy)

[06:48:54]

piksi:

in the breezy times it was a hideous fork

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piksi:

and still partially is

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kormoc:

piksi, if it actually wipes out my paid for certs... Honestly that's just aweful

[06:49:05]

RyeBrye:

Ubuntu wasn't bad when I installed it today, but a handful of things pissed me off

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tjcarter:

hideous fork how?

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kormoc:

piksi, that's my money they would have just wasted

[06:49:22]

piksi:

kormoc: yeah well that's different, you're right with that

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piksi:

i do'nt have paid certs luckily

[06:51:01]

piksi:

tjcarter: a lot of stuff in ubuntu has been forked and customized and especially in the early days those over-intelligent-conf-wizards used to break the system by autodetecting everything and when support from something didn't exist it usually broke the confs

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kormoc:

piksi, any distro that treats user data like that shouldn't ever be used. What happens when they need to reset your home directory? Would they just do that automatically too and wipe your data? Being that careless is just assinine

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piksi:

F8 was way more "out of the box" than gutsy in terms of hardware support and usability

[06:51:36]

piksi:

but it's machine specific

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tjcarter:

piksi: ah, I always used the debianlike installer.

[06:52:01]

tjcarter:

piksi: but I used LVM

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, Ubuntu seems to want to really focus on making stuff very easy for the user

[06:52:06]

tjcarter:

so that was necessary

[06:52:17]

RyeBrye:

and if they haven't found a way to make it easy, well... you're out of luck

[06:52:20]

tjcarter:

I tend to use Ubuntu for server machines

[06:52:26]

RyeBrye:

but that was just my first impression

[06:52:30]

tjcarter:

Life's too short for a Linux desktop, sorry guys =)

[06:53:00]

RyeBrye:

I like RHEL for the server because of the RHN management... you can manage your server updates from the web... etc

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tank-man:

what are you doing on irc if you think life is short :)

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RyeBrye:

and the RHEL license doesn't come out of my paycheck, but makes my life easier

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tjcarter:

tank-man: I've been asking myself that for almost 13 years now.

[06:54:04]

kormoc:

I typically go with CentOS on servers

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, I'd do CentOS if it was my own dime

[06:54:19]

kormoc:

My home servers are Gentoo although

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tjcarter:

I haven't seen centos

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piksi:

uuhh, i wouldn't run gentoo on a server :-)

[06:54:47]

tjcarter:

Ubuntu is an ancient african word that means "sick of compiling gentoo" or "can't install debian", not sure which.

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kormoc:

piksi, and I wouldn't run Ubuntu on a computer :P

[06:54:59]

piksi:

tried that once, got tired of being too close to the bleeding edge ;-)

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RyeBrye:

* zing

[06:55:15]

RyeBrye:

I had a friend who was a big Gentoo guy

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RyeBrye:

He was talking about how it was all compiled... so I used to ride him about how much of a PITA the install must be when you have to write your own bootstrap compiler using electrical pulses

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piksi:

actually i gave up gentoo because some update broke some stuff and i was too lazy to fix it and i got bored of the constant emerging of updates anyway. but it wasn't a bad distro, it wasn't for me though

[06:56:08]

kormoc:

I like riding the line with my home server. Gives me a few days/weeks/months notice on up and coming things that prove invaluable when I face them in CentOS or the like

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piksi:

tjcarter: "can't install debian"? how is it exactly harder? ;-)

[06:57:08]

piksi:

if one can't install debian then he/she really shoudln't touch computers

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tjcarter:

piksi: Debian stable doesn't work on hardware released in the past three years?

[06:57:24]

tjcarter:

does stable support SATA yet?

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RyeBrye:

Debian Stable should be renamed Debian Ancient

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kormoc:

tjcarter, it's not /that/ bad

[06:58:14]

tjcarter:

dists/ancient, dists/might-break, dists/probably-broken

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RyeBrye:

Although.. The Ubuntu install was definitely my favorite one

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piksi:

osx/crap

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piksi:

;-)

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RyeBrye:

Anaconda needs to get Tetris for me to play while the installer runs :)

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kormoc:

piksi, wow, you really don't like what I like at all :P

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: it's easier to install Linux than Windows.

[06:59:03]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, no joke

[06:59:19]

RyeBrye:

The system I was setting up was a laptop for one of the other developers to take to a meeting tomorrow.

[06:59:37]

RyeBrye:

we got our entire dev environment set up on it in much less time than it takes to get a windows machine setup

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tjcarter:

Unfortunately, the Linux desktop interface is still a hopeless mess.

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piksi:

you're speaking as if there was just one interface

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tjcarter:

Windows is more consistent and functional, and that's sad because it's neither.

[07:00:11]

piksi:

and as if it was for "linux"

[07:00:12]

tjcarter:

piksi: that's part of the problem.

[07:00:20]

piksi:

lol, diversity is not a problem

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piksi:

windows has its head in the rectum when it comes to "consistency and function"

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piksi:

even with vista

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tjcarter:

piksi: Users don't care about KDE vs. Gnome vs. CDE vs. XFCE vs. Tk vs. Xlib vs. ... whatever.

[07:01:00]

piksi:

they don't have to care

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RyeBrye:

just a quick off-topic question... Anyone know how roaming on a 3G network works?

[07:01:02]

tjcarter:

Windows got THAT right at least.

[07:01:06]

piksi:

it didn't

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kormoc:

tjcarter, some users do

[07:01:24]

RyeBrye:

i.e. if you are on T-Mobile but they haven't rolled out their data, could you just roam onto AT&T's 3G data network?

[07:01:33]

piksi:

tjcarter: windows gives one bad incoherent choice for you

[07:01:36]

tjcarter:

kormoc: those who know how much RAM the first two take up surely do ;)

[07:01:52]

piksi:

linux distros give you usually one choice but with metapackages it's usually trivial to change (or ask someone to change) it for your

[07:01:56]

piksi:

for another that might suit you better

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kormoc:

tjcarter, XFCE 4 + CDE Theme = Win!

[07:02:12]

tjcarter:

I don't mind CDE too much

[07:02:32]

tjcarter:

Granted it looks like elementary 3D Windows 3.1 ...

[07:03:06]

tjcarter:

But you can generally get a better thing than Program Manager for CDE ;)

[07:03:32]

piksi:

vista still has config dialogs and elements from the win95 era and the control panel is a mess – the system service management is hidden behind many unintuitive control programs and you still don't have a proper control over the processes and services

[07:03:59]

RyeBrye:

vista is a piece of crap

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tjcarter:

I'm a NeXT fan

[07:04:09]

tjcarter:

far more than an OS X fan

[07:04:31]

tjcarter:

I have been happy with the trend in OS X to become more unified in UI

[07:06:19]

tjcarter:

I use a Mac because NeXT is impractical today, I don't agree with some of the GNUStep developers' decisions (both of them have the wrong idea!), and I need MS Word. Real MS Word. Like it or not.

[07:06:34]

piksi:

why? :-)

[07:06:53]

tjcarter:

piksi: Because I'm not a code monkey or server ape.

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** RyeBrye heads off to bed **

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kormoc:

tjcarter, so you're a office drone?

[07:07:31]

tjcarter:

piksi: School teachers had BETTER be able to open any file they get from a superior.

[07:07:38]

tjcarter:

or a parent.

[07:07:42]

piksi:

so

[07:07:45]

tjcarter:

or the district.

[07:07:49]

tjcarter:

or the state.

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tjcarter:

you see the dilemma?

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kormoc:

tjcarter, I'm gonna send you a letter in .rot13

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piksi:

tjcarter: the thing being: 99,9% of office users use 0,01% of it's features. thus it's trivial to write the text in other editor and save it in word97/xp compatible format

[07:08:49]

tjcarter:

kormoc: send in quadrouple rot-13! BETTER ENCRYPTION!!

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tjcarter:

piksi: write sure, but not always read.

[07:09:19]

kormoc:

tjcarter, yeah, let's see your word open that!

[07:09:43]

piksi:

tjcarter: and, what makes you think you can't write/open word files in any other program than word itself?

[07:09:43]

tjcarter:

kormoc: ahh, but a Mac isn't just Windows with an interface that is mostly consistent nowadays.

[07:09:59]

tjcarter:

kormoc: it's a UNIX box you don't have to f*ck with to get work done.

[07:10:06]

piksi:

openoffice is far from ideal but it's an option for 95% of the cases when people might need powerpoint presentations,excel sheets or documents. the support is quite complete in the newest releases

[07:10:12]

kormoc:

tjcarter, You're talking to the guy who's on a mac pro right now :P

[07:10:36]

tjcarter:

kormoc: most Mac users are afraid of Terminal.

[07:11:05]

tjcarter:

I tend to use Terminal and Safari. Most everything I do is done in one of those things.

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piksi:

from what i've experienced: osx is unix with a leash, you can only use those tools that have enough sparkles and glitter and an apple approved stamp. otherwise you're screwed. it works very well when you use it the way apple intented to

[07:11:26]

kormoc:

tjcarter, and most windows users are afraid of command.com (or whatever it is these days)

[07:11:39]

tjcarter:

cmd.exe

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kormoc:

piksi, that's not really true. There's macports, fink, portage, etc to make it a full fledged gnu power machine

[07:12:19]

tjcarter:

same cmd.exe Microsoft and IBM wrote together back in the days when Windows was just a thing to hold people over until OS/2 was ready for the world..

[07:12:28]

tjcarter:

Now that was an ugly UI

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tjcarter:

But a very consistent one.

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tjcarter:

what can I say? I was an interface designer.

[07:14:47]

tjcarter:

it's what I did. =D

[07:15:42]

tjcarter:

somehow I went from accessibility specialist to interface designer to other random stuff to school teacher in training.

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socalmyth:

oh so now that I am in the right room

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justinh:

room? channel!

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socalmyth:

sorry

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socalmyth:

I am new to mythtv and almost done setting it up, but am asking for help

[07:28:16]

tjcarter:

that's a shock.

[07:28:20]

justinh:

no you're not. I haven't seen you ask a question yet :)

[07:28:24]

socalmyth:

I think I need to fine tune my channels, and I know how, but I dont see a change in picture when I do

[07:29:02]

justinh:

well that's me out. I don't do analogue, sorry

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socalmyth:

I am using mythbuntu and a pvr-250

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socalmyth:

I wish I didnt have to use analog, but havent gotten there yet

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kormoc:

Are you sure your channel freq table is set correctly? cause you shouldn't have to fine tune at all

[07:29:57]

tjcarter:

socalmyth: A lot of us now use a cable box on svideo

[07:30:07]

socalmyth:

I am using the scan that mythtv does

[07:30:13]

tjcarter:

or do european models have a scart input?

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kormoc:

socalmyth, cable?

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justinh:

tjcarter: nice idea. sadly not

[07:30:33]

socalmyth:

are you using a irblaster to control the cable box

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tjcarter:

socalmyth: I control my box over firewire

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justinh:

tjcarter: scart sockets are wider than a PCI bracket :P

[07:30:58]

tjcarter:

it'd work better if I improved the controller program or taught myth to do it directly.

[07:31:00]

socalmyth:

I have time warner

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tjcarter:

justinh: ahh, too bad

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CCFL_Man2:

ewww, cable tv

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socalmyth:

so are you pushing the video over firewire also?

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justinh:

well, at least now with wavy lines on your analogue cable you'll get better reception now than in the future :P

[07:32:18]

kormoc:

socalmyth, with cable, you shouldn't need to scan at all

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socalmyth:

so how can I reset the freq, if I can

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tjcarter:

socalmyth: you shouldn't need to once it's set right once.

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kormoc:

socalmyth, your listing provider should give you channel numbers and cable's freq's are standard, thus it should just work (tm)(r)

[07:33:50]

justinh:

how nifty it is that folks in the USA get their channel frequencies on a plate

[07:34:08]

tjcarter:

justinh: we only sort of do.

[07:34:14]

tjcarter:

there's standard, HRC, and IRc

[07:34:27]

tjcarter:

HRC/IRC cable freqs are close, but not quite the same

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socalmyth:

hmmm, thats an idea I am looking into maybe I selected the wrong list

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tjcarter:

but HRC and IRC cable freqs are mostly gone now.

[07:35:01]

tjcarter:

socalmyth: yes, also you may have selected the wrong input

[07:35:35]

tjcarter:

socalmyth: try with tvtime or mplayer and the cmdline v4l2 thingy

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socalmyth:

tjcarter: I get picture, it just looks like crap, like rabbit ears

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** CCFL_Man2 fondles his qam modulators **

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CCFL_Man2:

i need to get an active combiner i think

[07:39:56]

CCFL_Man2:

two rf upconverters, maybe not

[07:40:05]

directhex:

i mostly fixed my tv reception issues, without needing to have a new antenna fitted

[07:40:06]

tjcarter:

socalmyth: you might need an amplifier, or you might be right that the tuning is slightly off.

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CCFL_Man2:

directhex: you wouldn't install your own antenna?

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tjcarter:

directhex: I never could fix my reception issues, but I have a PVR-500 ;)

[07:42:00]

justinh:

directhex: I saw your comment about the aerial facing the wrong way. wtf was up with that?

[07:42:29]

tjcarter:

need to disconnect pieces and connect them going the other way? ;)

[07:43:08]

directhex:

justinh, the antenna was pointed at Bretch Hill, a transmitter 3km away, which currently carries only analog (3-mux digital in 2011)

[07:43:33]

directhex:

justinh, no bleeding wonder the guy couldn't get a decent signal when making little adjustments

[07:43:35]

justinh:

3 muxes?! how can the South be getting so short changed in the digital dividend?!

[07:44:10]

CCFL_Man2:

i have two muxes on my private digital cable system

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directhex:

justinh, 3-mux is common after the switch. post-switch, 2 of the 4 transmitters listed for my location are 3-mux

[07:44:13]

** justinh counts himself lucky to get the full compliment in that case **

[07:44:45]

justinh:

directhex: I hope you'll only be missing TUTV & the bollocks channels – not the other way round

[07:44:56]

directhex:

justinh, but i rotated the antenna ~90Â°, guessing what counts as 161Â° bearing, and got pretty decent reception from the oxford transmitter (32km)

[07:45:40]

justinh:

what little reception you had before was probably from Oxford, but off-beam – so a muchly reduced signal

[07:45:54]

CCFL_Man2:

atleast you brits have it easy with drm shortwave reception

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directhex:

oxford is 5-mux until the switch, with specifics a little more complex than that. given the distance, mux A is marked as having reception issues bad enough that i'm unlikely to get it (and i don't)

[07:46:24]

justinh:

mux A – that's the BBC mux innit?

[07:46:29]

directhex:

so i have 4-mux, without having anything as exotic as a compass to point the thing in the right direction

[07:46:34]

directhex:

bbc is mux 1

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justinh:

or is the BBC mux, Mux 1 ?

[07:46:36]

justinh:

ah

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directhex:

A is ch5

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justinh:

so come the switchover is oxford going to have 6 muxes then?

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justinh:

should be better when they boost the power up 100x on the analogue switchoff

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directhex:

staged, but yes

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directhex:

check the oxford rows on http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/postcodechecker/ma . . . 1075a783fe18

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directhex:

specifically the dates

[07:48:27]

justinh:

I get cracking reception from Winter Hill at bolton from only 10kW ERP

[07:48:55]

directhex:

a number in the S column is a "quality /100" rating, with 70 as the cutoff for "not happening"

[07:49:13]

justinh:

the reception predictor at wolfbane reckons I'd need a beefier setup to pull freeview in so I'm glad that isn't the case

[07:49:20]

directhex:

a number in the M column is a "works but not in rain /100" rating, with 70 as the cutoff for "you're fucked, mate"

[07:50:06]

directhex:

justinh, well, here's the thing. my hand-realigned antenna is in the loft, and pointing directly at the block of flats my house shares a wall with. it's not exactly well placed

[07:50:28]

justinh:

you'd be surprised how well UHF reflects off things ;)

[07:51:07]

justinh:

managed to pull in all the muxes at LRL using only a hand-aimed aerial – wasn't an indoor thing though I grant you

[07:51:31]

directhex:

justinh, i'm tempted to buy a compass so i can align better

[07:51:40]

directhex:

justinh, MIGHT manage mux a

[07:52:03]

nicholas_:

How do people normally measure their signal quality? The % signal MythTV shows when you change channel in liveTV?

[07:52:04]

justinh:

if you can play with the polarisation that might help

[07:52:17]

justinh:

nicholas_: femon with DVB signals

[07:52:33]

justinh:

aim for 0 UNC and as low a BER as possible

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nicholas_:

justinh: I'll look at that, thanks. ATM, I get about 40% signal (whatever that means) in MythTV liveTV

[07:53:02]

directhex:

justinh, help how?

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justinh:

UNCs are what makes the picture go like a ZX Spectrum crash & the sound go pcccccccccchhhhhhhh!

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justinh:

directhex: if you're pointing at reflections the polarisation can change

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CCFL_Man2:

we have atsc here, unfortunately

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justinh:

though maybe all UK UHF Tx are mixed polarisation these days I dunno

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directhex:

CCFL_Man2, Not Invented Here?

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CCFL_Man2:

directhex: nope, invented in the US

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directhex:

justinh, well, the aerial man switched it from V to H. i haven#'t tried more fine-grained twisting than that

[07:55:07]

directhex:

don't think the bracket allows for it, actually

[07:55:17]

CCFL_Man2:

should have gone with dvb-t

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directhex:

CCFL_Man2, nobody uses ATSC except yanks, and i think south korea

[07:55:50]

CCFL_Man2:

yeah

[07:55:59]

directhex:

and guam

[07:56:02]

CCFL_Man2:

i'm a yank though

[07:56:06]

directhex:

gotta keep up with guam, guys!

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justinh:

anyway the modulation scheme freeview uses should in theory be pretty much immune to all kinds of multipath distortion

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directhex:

justinh, don't think it's worth fine-tuning the alignment to better point to the transmitter?

[07:56:50]

justinh:

my parents have a hell of a time pulling in a decent signal & the mast looms large from their house

[07:57:14]

justinh:

directhex: probably is. take a laptop up there if you can & run femon :)

[07:57:34]

directhex:

justinh, i just need a usb dvb-t card with an f connector on it...

[07:57:56]

justinh:

I want to change all the connectors on my setup to F connectors

[07:58:01]

justinh:

no small job!

[07:58:25]

justinh:

high time people stopped using Belling Lee plugs & sockets. They suck

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justinh:

not that F connectors are perfect of course..

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justinh:

maybe I'll try BNCs instead

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directhex:

doesn't help me with femon though

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justinh:

got decent crimping gear for those at work

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directhex:

i lack the tools to mod a dvb-t receiver to use f

[08:00:06]

justinh:

you can buy adapters to go from F to UHF. folks with those nasty dbox2 efforts need them :)

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socalmyth:

I am getting green bars on my picture

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justinh:

well, time to head off to work :(

[08:01:02]

socalmyth:

and its jumpy

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directhex:

boing!

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nicholas_:

justinh: if femon says "status 1f | signal 736b | snr 0000 | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK", should I believe that's good? Doesn't all zeros look suspicious?

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otwin:

nicholas_: use 'femon -H' – snr is what matters

[08:22:34]

nicholas_:

otwin: maybe my femon is too old, it only takes '-a' and '-f'.

[08:22:47]

nicholas_:

I have it from Debian dvb-utils 1.1.1–3

[08:23:15]

fryfrog:

doin the ol' 7.10 -> 8.04 ubuntu upgrade :)

[08:23:31]

otwin:

nicholas_: well your SNR is 0, that's bad – '-H' would give % numbers

[08:24:00]

otwin:

nicholas_: but 0% == 0 :)

[08:24:01]

fryfrog:

can't wait for the +0.94 worth of improvement!

[08:24:05]

nicholas_:

otwin: I can record and watch TV with few problems though (maybe one in 10 shows get a few moments of signal drop out)

[08:25:30]

otwin:

nicholas_: hmm, really – did you choose the right adapter with femon?

[08:26:11]

nicholas_:

otwin: I have a single Nova-T500 , and I left femon for the default, "/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0"

[08:27:05]

nicholas_:

I tried tzap too – tzap -c .mplayer/channels.conf "BBC ONE" , and it says status 1f | signal 74f6 | snr 0000 | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK

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otwin:

nicholas_: well, i have a SNR of 95%-96%, I would not expect a SNR of 0, but if it works...

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directhex:

some drivers read SNR in reverse

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nicholas_:

I will try unplug the cable later and see if that changes it :-)

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otwin:

i guess that makes it NSR then

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directhex:

yes

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justinh:

SNR & signal level are inverted in the cx88-dvb driver for my card

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justinh:

signal level with perfect reception is between $0020 & $0030 yet with no aerial it's $ffff

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nicholas_:

when I unplugged, signal went 0000, and snr stayed 0000

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justinh:

[08:49:46]

justinh:

femon -H won't work. must need a newer dvb-utils

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nicholas_:

justinh: do you still get, sometimes, problems during a show? Sound and video glitches for a few seconds?

[08:50:13]

justinh:

nope

[08:50:27]

nicholas_:

I'm hoping my switch to DVB-S will help me get rid of that.

[08:50:55]

justinh:

I had enormous problems with one of my tuners a while ago which turned out to be heat related so I moved the tuner away so there's now 1 slot gap between all 3 tuners

[08:51:36]

justinh:

tempted to replace all 3 tuners with silicon tuner models. much lower power consumption == less heat

[08:52:07]

justinh:

bloody witchcraft, silicon tuners ;)

[08:54:03]

justinh:

a good deal of heat is generated by the video decoder chip on tuner cards too – all that analogue stuff packed inside em. not that any of my tuners even have analogue inputs but they're on the chips. wonder if it's possible to disable the ADCs

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Nik_Doof:

mornin all

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justinh:

yawnin

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Nik_Doof:

i had a similar issue with heat, alot of glitches were down to the heat output of other cards

[08:59:42]

Nik_Doof:

one i rearranged them it went away

[09:00:45]

Nik_Doof:

the heat pump that is my Nova-T is now cooking my graphics card

[09:00:55]

jduggan:

whats a suggested dvb-s card?

[09:01:02]

jduggan:

Nik_Doof: get better case cooling =]

[09:01:56]

justinh:

jduggan: getting one that works in linux would be a good move!

[09:02:16]

Nik_Doof:

i'm looking at a TT S-1401, but im not sure if its compatible

[09:02:21]

justinh:

and bearing in mind the powers that be are advocating a move to dvb-s2 in the future... er..

[09:02:25]

jduggan:

justinh: ofcourse

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Nik_Doof:

i'll wait until multiproto is stable before i get a S2 card

[09:03:38]

jduggan:

justinh: well i'll jump that hurdle when i come to it.. going to be a while before s2 is implemented and roled out, surely?

[09:04:03]

Nik_Doof:

jduggan: some HD channels are already using it

[09:04:16]

jduggan:

in UK ?

[09:04:29]

Nik_Doof:

yes, but they're not FTA

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Nik_Doof:

iirc Sky's HD channels are all S2

[09:05:43]

Nik_Doof:

but you might wanna check on Lyngsat

[09:09:32]

Nik_Doof:

by the looks of it the only FTA S2 available in the UK would be the Astra promo on 19.2

[09:12:12]

jduggan:

nova-s2 fully supported?

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directhex:

experimental

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directhex:

all s2 is experimental until the handbagging ends and a final s2 api is picked

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Nik_Doof:

multiproto is a mess at the moment.

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justinh:

all the new STBs are S2 compatible, so it'll be no skin off their nose to change

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directhex:

justinh, indeedydoodles

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gbee:

jduggan: I've just bought this one – http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/products_id/146

[09:18:31]

gbee:

http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php?curre . . . d34343e47e48

[09:21:47]

gbee:

Nova-S Plus is supported, Nova-HD-S2 isn't unless you want to be applying patch after patch to try and make it work

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hads:

Nik_Doof: The TT S-1401 works well.

[09:28:03]

hads:

We've sold loads of them and had no issues.

[09:28:58]

Nik_Doof:

hads: sold loads? you a UK stockist?

[09:29:14]

hads:

Nik_Doof: New Zealand

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Nik_Doof:

ahh, jumped the gun there

[09:29:52]

justinh:

bastard. patch against a theme

[09:30:00]

Nik_Doof:

ooo Â£30.35 from dvbshop

[09:30:07]

justinh:

hang on I thought I'd fixed all those damnit

[09:30:56]

justinh:

fuck it. can't be arsed

[09:31:21]

justinh:

esp. not with the supplied popup-selectbar.png

[09:31:55]

justinh:

if folks are gonna supply new images can they be in keeping with the original style or is that too much to ask?

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justinh:

ahh.. "Would it be possible to get this applied to the 0.21-fixes branch?". maybe

[09:42:40]

bsdfox_:

http://pastebin.ca/1017812

[09:42:59]

bsdfox_:

I'm getting that error on db upgrade to 1218

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bsdfox_:

maybe 1217 not sure

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gbee:

Nik_Doof: unfortunately there is a minimum £11.50 shipping to the UK and an additional charge for card payment, so you are looking at £43

[09:47:04]

gbee:

but that's still cheaper than any other DVB-S card I could find right now

[09:54:22]

Nik_Doof:

ouch didnt know about the card payment charge

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directhex:

compro s350 support would be nice

[09:54:52]

justinh:

I give up on that ticket

[09:54:55]

directhex:

they're, like, Â£23

[09:55:32]

bsdfox_:

mine? :(

[09:56:15]

justinh:

bsdfox_: not looking at yours as far as I know

[09:56:59]

Nik_Doof:

mmm Â£20 for a dvb-s with diseqc 1.2 support as well, not too shabby

[09:57:08]

justinh:

these themes are a stinking mess now. really can't see them ever being updated for mythui

[09:59:19]

Nik_Doof:

directhex: looks like theres blob drivers for 2.6.17/18

[09:59:35]

directhex:

Nik_Doof, laaame

[09:59:47]

Nik_Doof:

indeed

[10:00:27]

directhex:

20 meg RPM for mandriva

[10:00:51]

Nik_Doof:

directhex: http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /022879.html

[10:01:10]

Nik_Doof:

looks like its getting there

[10:02:46]

directhex:

Nik_Doof, erm... the compro site doesn't have a *driver* for it, it has an entire replacement kernel. vmlinuz, modules, etc

[10:02:57]

directhex:

no source though. go go gadget gpl-violations?

[10:03:07]

Nik_Doof:

omfg you are kidding

[10:03:38]

Nik_Doof:

thats almost as bad as the lexmark printer drivers that setuid shedloads of programs

[10:03:52]

directhex:

Nik_Doof, example file inside rpm: /./lib/modules/2.6.17–13mdvcustom/kernel/sound/pci/emu10k1/snd-emu10k1.ko

[10:07:14]

bsdfox_:

man :( svn used to work fine

[10:07:24]

bsdfox_:

anyone happen to have the svn info for .21-fixes?

[10:07:28]

justinh:

screw it. really can't be bothered with this now

[10:07:54]

justinh:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-21-fixes IIRC

[10:08:12]

gbee:

bsdfox_: which is why we sent multiple warnings to the -dev list that SVN was going to become unstable as part of the massive move to QT4 and mythui

[10:08:28]

justinh:

ignore the lists at your peril :D

[10:10:56]

gbee:

directhex: I was looking at the compro s350, but like you've found – no driver (well not a proper one)

[10:12:41]

gbee:

I actually didn't realise that a driver was being written, otherwise I might have thought twice about buying it

[10:16:59]

directhex:

gbee, worth a mail to gpl-violations.org?

[10:17:25]

gbee:

why not?

[10:23:13]

justinh:

heh inkscape turns out to be quite usable over a freenx session

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bsdfox_:

thanks

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bog0:

hi

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bog0:

I have added mythbackend to my daemons list, but it fails to load. When I start it manually with sudo /etc/rc.d/mythbackend start everything works fine

[10:40:25]

bog0:

how can I start it at boot?

[10:40:33]

justinh:

closed #4794. can't add anything repeatable to the ticket comment

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directhex:

gbee, trying to determine whether they've written their own module, or modified an existing module

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justinh:

bog0: make sure services it needs (networking, mysql, network shares maybe) are running first

[10:43:40]

justinh:

oh fuck off. not another theme ticket

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directhex:

oooooooooooh fuck. looks like they've modified gpl code

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sid3windr:

tisk tisk tisk

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Nik_Doof:

naughty

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directhex:

okay, confirmed, there are no new modules in compro's rpm

[10:59:35]

directhex:

which means they must have modified an existing v4l driver, but are withholding source

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Nik_Doof:

they're on very shaky ground then

[11:05:37]

directhex:

Nik_Doof, shaky in what way? there's no defence they can use. if pursued, then it's a pull-or-release situation

[11:07:43]

Nik_Doof:

but as proven in the past, hardware devs usually just pull the offending drivers

[11:09:24]

Nik_Doof:

I dont get hardware companies, they dont release proper drivers then when they get asked for docs so someone can do all the donkey work for them, they usually decline it

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gbee:

Nik_Doof: they are protecting what they see as an asset – in reality it's not really much of an asset, their rivals could easily get their hands on the specs if they wanted

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Nik_Doof:

or reverse engineer the drivers

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bog0:

I have a problem with the loading of mythbackend. During the bootprocess the loading of the mythbackend daemon failed (I have loaded mysql right before), but when i type "sudo /etc/rc.d/mythbackend start" after startup, it works

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Nik_Doof:

bog0: check the logs to see what it's failing on

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Nik_Doof:

could be the mysql instance isn't fulled started up before it tries connecting

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bog0:

VIDIOCMCAPTURE0: Device or resource busy

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bog0:

VIDIOCSYNC: Invalid argument

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bog0:

VIDIOCMCAPTURE1: Device or resource busy

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bog0:

VIDIOCSYNC: Invalid argument

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bog0:

VIDIOCMCAPTURE0: Device or resource busy

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bog0:

2008-05–12 16:22:21.846 NVR(/dev/v4l/video0) Error: Multiple bttv errors, further messages supressed

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bog0:

VIDIOCMCAPTURE1: Device or resource busy

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bog0:

VIDIOCMCAPTURE0: Device or resource busy

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bog0:

VIDIOCMCAPTURE1: Device or resource busy

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bog0:

VIDIOCMCAPTURE0: Device or resource busy

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bog0:

VIDIOCMCAPTURE1: Device or resource busy

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bog0:

VIDIOCMCAPTURE0: Device or resource busy

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bog0:

VIDIOCMCAPTURE1: Device or resource busy

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bog0:

VIDIOCMCAPTURE0: Device or resource busy

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bog0:

VIDIOCMCAPTURE1: Device or resource busy

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bog0:

VIDIOCMCAPTURE0: Device or resource busy

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gbee:

bog0: !!!

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bog0:

VIDIOCMCAPTURE1: Device or resource busy

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gbee:

pastebin.ca PLEASE

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bog0:

oh, ok, sry

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bog0:

http://pastebin.com/m35a0eaee

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bsdfox_:

am I blind or is there no ./configure option for backend only?

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GreyFoxx:

Are you desperately DESPERATELY low on disk space ?

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GreyFoxx:

as in 1 meg is too much ?

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GreyFoxx:

cause otherwise there is no need for this backend/frontend only stuff

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bsdfox_:

no, just impatient :)

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GreyFoxx:

the vast majority of compile time is in the supporting libraries which are needed for both frontend and backend

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GreyFoxx:

so you aren't saving much :)

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bog0:

is there a possibility to stop the audio from the tv when I stop watching TV in mythtv?

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bog0:

when I quit the programme, the sound of the last television channel is still turned on

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dustybin:

is there a way to pause mythtv without the OSD showing so i can pause and look at sexy women properly?

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GreyFoxx:

dust: pause and hit escape once

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GreyFoxx:

the osd will disappear

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GreyFoxx:

bog: you need to fix your mixer settings

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GreyFoxx:

there is info on that on www.mythtv.orf under docs

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dustybin:

aye cool :-D

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gbee:

www.mythtv.org

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GreyFoxx:

haha

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directhex:

http://pastebin.ca/1017899

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dramman:

I'm setting up a new mythtv box, currently it won't play DVDs (I'm in Australia – do I need to set it to region 6 or something?)

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gbee:

directhex: looks fine to me, I think gpl-violations would rather an incorrect report than non at all, they know the lawyers who can determine whether it does breach the GPL

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directhex:

gbee, i'm making a formal source request to compro

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gbee:

directhex: good idea

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gbee:

gpl-violations.org doesn't seem to be especially active, probably a lot happening behind the scenes but their mailing lists see a handful of emails a month and most of their news items are 3/4 years old

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directhex:

gbee, want a bcc?

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gbee:

directhex: yes please

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directhex:

gbee, even better, know anyone with code in the kernel who COULD file a cease & desist for copyright violation?

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directhex:

gbee, email addy?

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gbee:

janneg?

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gbee:

or mkrufky, both have code in the kernel from their work on DVB device drivers

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gbee:

stuart@tase.co.uk

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gbee:

although both are recent, the violating kernel at least 18 months old?

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directhex:

it's a mandrake 2.6.17, from their 2007 distro, so that sounds about right

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gbee:

Wendy Selzter, a FSF lawyer, is also a MythTV users – regular poster to the mailing lists

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gbee:

Seltzer

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gbee:

#fsf

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gbee:

err

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directhex:

okay, sent. i've tried to make it detailed but simple and explanatory.

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directhex:

seems support@comprousa.com is in taipei

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directhex:

so i hope their english is good

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janneg:

gbee: I don't have that much code in the kernel, especially not in 2.6.18

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gbee:

directhex: got it, thanks

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directhex:

2.6.17

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janneg:

compro offers binary drivers? do they use the dvb api?

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gbee:

janneg: doesn't need to be more than a line really :) but I think directhex's email should do the trick and if not then FSF etc can deal with them

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gbee:

janneg: looks like they've modified an existing driver according to directhex

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directhex:

gbee, i've checked their RPM versus an upstream mandriva kernel, there are no new modules included in theirs

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directhex:

jms@osc-franzibald:/tmp$ diff foomin/violationmodules.txt2 fimble/normal.txt2

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directhex:

jms@osc-franzibald:/tmp$

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janneg:

gbee: not much might be not a single line and it's hard to claim copyright on a single line

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directhex:

janneg, know anyone who could claim copyright over some of 2.6.17?

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gbee:

janneg: my point was that they are unlikely to verify the claim, but that it would carry more weight from someone who has verifiably contributed something to the kernel

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Nik_Doof:

a easy way to see what module has changed would be to run strings over the v4l modules

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janneg:

so they are shipping all dvb drivers source only?

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directhex:

janneg, they sre shipping an rpm containing a modified mandrake 2.6.17 kernel

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directhex:

janneg, no license, no source – to the kernel, let alone their mods

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directhex:

janneg, and their mods add support to hardware unsupported in linuxtv

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janneg:

argh, one need to slam the GPL with a big hammer into their heads

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janneg:

maybe we should move the discussion to #linuxtv

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janneg:

or to the linuxtv mailinglist

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janneg:

and if it's the entire kernel gplviolations.org is not that bad

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justinh:

and boycotting compro might not be a bad idea

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directhex:

janneg, i moved it there, and got no replies

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directhex:

janneg, and already mailed gpl-violations

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janneg:

I think most of their work is not in the open since it's much easier to resolve those claims privately

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janneg:

good

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janneg:

directhex: I missed it in #linuxtv

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gbee:

justinh: yeah, unfortunately I'm not that principled – if a driver is made available I'd use their card only because it's cheaper than any DVB-S card I've seen

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gbee:

doesn't mean I won't persue them over GPL violations at the same time

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janneg:

directhex: do you have a link to the corrospondent mandriva kernel rpm?

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directhex:

janneg, hang on...

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directhex:

http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/carroll.ca . . . 7.1.i586.rpm

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gbee:

I'd be more inclined to boycott a company as a way of getting them to release drivers and treat *nix on an equal footing to Windows

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directhex:

janneg, the version number on that (2.6.17.13) matches up with the 2.6.1713 shown on comprousa.com

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janneg:

yes, thanks. the mandriva rpm is 1MB larger

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directhex:

janneg, there are differences, because they've not been built the same – e.g. the mandriva rpm contains gzipped kernel modules and a /usr/share

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directhex:

janneg, and every module will differ slightly due to the longer vermagic

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gbee:

they would have built from the kernel-source rpm

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directhex:

gbee, exactly

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bog0:

what is the right tv format for germany? PAL, PAL-N, PAL-M PAL-D PAL-NC?

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gbee:

B or G?

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janneg:

so there is strill hope that they used the same config and gcc

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janneg:

PAL B/G

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directhex:

janneg, this is your lucky day – the kernel includes config-2.6.17–13mdvcustom

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directhex:

janneg, the configs are identical, bar the date/time stamp

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gbee:

same config – usually the only difference between configs of the packaged kernel and the packaged source is that the source adds 'custom' to the version to prevent users overwriting their working kernels with self-built versions

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purserj:

anyone use arch linux here?

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bog0:

purserj: I use arch

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purserj:

bog0: do you use the pre-packaged myth or do you build from source?

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janneg:

the compro media subtree is 150kb larger after unzipping mandriva's

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directhex:

janneg, but contains no new files

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janneg:

the size difference is in media/v4l and not in media/dvb

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janneg:

s/v4l/video/

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directhex:

janneg, but things like cx88 are in video, not dvb

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bog0:

purserj: prepackaged

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purserj:

bog0: hmm thanks, I'm trying to build it from source and it's being less than co-operative

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janneg:

media/video/tuner.ko is 85kb larger

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directhex:

janneg, confirmed – look at strings

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directhex:

jms@osc-franzibald:/tmp$ strings fimble/lib/modules/2.6.17–13mdv*/kernel/drivers/media/video/tuner.ko | grep VideoMate

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directhex:

jms@osc-franzibald:/tmp$ strings foomin/lib/modules/2.6.17–13mdv*/kernel/drivers/media/video/tuner.ko | grep VideoMate

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directhex:

VideoMate TV X Xceive xc2028

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directhex:

fimble is mandrake kernel, foomin is compro kernel

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directhex:

videomate is a compro product line

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janneg:

and media/video/cx88/cx88xx.ko is another 76kb larger

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directhex:

it's full of i2c stuff

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directhex:

look at strings!

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directhex:

> Compro VideoMate TV X

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directhex:

aha!

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directhex:

right, who's got their DNA in cx88? who runs bytesex.org? i'm sure i've downloaded cx88 from there before

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directhex:

janneg, if you're on the linuxtv ML, can you post about this? i don't want to sign up, and it's subscriber-only

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janneg:

the compro cx88xx module has author: Gerd Knorr, Pavel Machek, Chris Pascoe

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janneg:

directhex: yes, you have already requested the source, right?

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directhex:

janneg, yes, i did an hour or two ago

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directhex:

janneg, want me to forward you the mail i sent?

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directhex:

janneg, also, the author: line is unchanged from the original line in the mandrake kernel

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bog0:

my sound is terrible... I have configured it as described in the docs and the sound is now synched with the image, but the quality is poor

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justinh:

awww framegrabbers

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justinh:

so much happier now the aircon at work is er.. working

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sege_:

are there any way to compress live tv to be able to watch live over slow internet connections from my backend?

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PatrickDK:

sege, sure, will it look good, no

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sege:

PatrickDK: dont care about that, i just want toi be able to watch. =)

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justinh:

define 'slow'

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sege:

1 mbit

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PatrickDK:

just use ffmpeg :)

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justinh:

vlc

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sege:

but i'd like to use mytvfrontend as usual, just compressing video at my backend so my bandwidth is sufficient.

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gbee:

sege: run mythtranscode on it with lower bitrates

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sege:

gbee: well sure, but then it's not 'live tv'. =)

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justinh:

you can argue that it's never 'live' in mythtv anyway :P

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sege:

justinh: well sure, of course. =)

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justinh:

just do what I do

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justinh:

find something less boring to do instead!

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sege:

haha

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justinh:

only watched 1 hour of TV this week

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PatrickDK:

I only have 1 tv show I am currently watching each week

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justinh:

latest unwatched Heroes series 2 episode description starts with "if this series doesn't get good soon.. "

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justinh:

think I'll bin it

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PatrickDK:

heh

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PatrickDK:

I'm only watching bsg

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janneg:

directhex: should I cc you on the mail to the linuxtv ml?

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sege:

majority of the people in #mythtv-users doesn't watch tv. lovely. =)

[14:08:03]

justinh:

actually tell a lie. 2 hours of TV. Love Soup, Family Guy & Ideal

[14:08:05]

directhex:

janneg, yes please, keep me informed. i'm quite pleased with myself for finding this – and pissed that the only "support" for a Â£22 svb-s card comes from an illegal driver

[14:08:25]

PatrickDK:

new family guy episodes started?

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justinh:

yep

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directhex:

janneg, my last discovery was naughtyvend, and apparently they've been at it for years

[14:08:45]

justinh:

the opener was a star wars episode IV pastiche

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PatrickDK:

heh? that was long ago

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PatrickDK:

they been running repeats for the last 2 months or so

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justinh:

you forget not everybody is in the land of the weird

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directhex:

japan?

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gbee:

that was an excellant episode

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PatrickDK:

they should be :)

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PatrickDK:

sorry, I got pissed at watching things delayed a long time ago

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PatrickDK:

so I get stuff from bbc for that stuff, instead of waiting for it to make it here

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PatrickDK:

and get stuff from japantv that I watch there

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PatrickDK:

I hate being years behind :(

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justinh:

I'm just happy terrestrial TV still gets good shows

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directhex:

i'm happy i have 4 muxes!

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gbee:

I'm happy to wait a couple of years for shows to appear over here, or to move over from subscription only channels

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dustybin:

when your watching TV, something your enjoying, you are not watching the size of your TV, the fact its a 42" plasma, etc you are watching the tv show your enjoying, your brain doesnt care if its LCD, plasma, so whats the point in them

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dustybin:

its only when your watching something cack, that your brain might drift back into the size of your TV, the screen quality etc

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justinh:

depends. try watching freeview on a 42" screen & tell me you don't feel distracted by the coloured blobs

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directhex:

i play games on my 26" tv and find myself squinting

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justinh:

jesus. I've just been looking on a gym website. what's happening to me

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GreyFoxx:

hah

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GreyFoxx:

I need to actually go to a gym

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GreyFoxx:

can't remember the lsat time I did

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directhex:

gyms are Â£Â£Â£

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directhex:

cheaper to hire some "home help" and get some bedroom gymnastics done

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justinh:

wtf is that supposed to mean?

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Nik_Doof:

lol

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Dibblah:

We have our Wii on our projector. A few nights ago, we went to a friend's house. They have a 26" CRT. It was quite a shock :)

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justinh:

unless I'm doing it wrong, no amount of bedroom gymnastics can burn off the same amount of calories as a 10 mile run on a treadmill, shirley

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GreyFoxx:

if anything that run cna lead to bedroom gymnastics :)

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justinh:

heheh depends who you meet on the way

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directhex:

an hour at 10mph burns about 1000 calories

[14:40:25]

justinh:

jesus

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bog0:

I don't know what to do... With Line In unmuted and xawtv the audio is wonderful, but with xawtv and Line In muted, Capture with /dev/dsp the audio quality is just terrible

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directhex:

sex... depends on the position

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justinh:

bog0: change the recording profile sample rate away from 32khz

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bog0:

to which value?

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justinh:

48khz

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bog0:

ok, I'll try that

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justinh:

mostly it'll sound like crap because 32khz isn't good for some audio devices

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bog0:

justinh: where can I find that option?

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bog0:

mythtv-setup?

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bog0:

or frontend setup?

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directhex:

sex is about 300 calories an hour burnt, give or take

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Dibblah:

justinh: Oh, wow – Your favorite board, just smaller! http://www.via.com.tw/en/resources/pressroom/ . . . ease_no=2307

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directhex:

so 1 hour on the treadmill is equiv to 3 hours in the bedroom

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dustybin:

now this is what i call interesting

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dustybin:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/X10

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justinh:

directhex: not enough hours in the day sadly

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directhex:

Dibblah, http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=11976 ?

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justinh:

much as I'd rather spend all day shagging...

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dustybin:

my right arm is in perfect shape

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directhex:

Dibblah, a pico-itx with an even slower cpu? i wouldn't trust it to control traffic lights at a reasonable speed, let alone play media

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bog0:

justinh: thx so much! It is now perfect

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justinh:

rofl

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bog0:

I have searched for hours for a solution

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** justinh imposes a framegrabber tax to make them more expensive than proper tuner cards **

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directhex:

justinh, how about a Â£22 dvb-s card? i hear compro makes them

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

Â£22 dvb-s card, plus dish, plus LNB, plus cable, plus wobbling away atop a ladder.. yay!

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justinh:

it's on my roadmap but not just yet

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directhex:

still pissed off about my aerial

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justinh:

so, shall we await femto-itx with baited breath, do you think?

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justinh:

wow – it's a Via board almost powerful enough to be a digital watch & it's the size of a digital watch!

[14:52:09]

dustybin:

something strange is going on, im recieving private messages from people from channels on freenode

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justinh:

I see dead people

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justinh:

you're seeing dumb people

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dustybin:

15:47 -!- Irssi: Starting query in Freenode with justinh

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dustybin:

15:47 <justinh> #22 dvb-s card, plus dish, plus LNB, plus cable, plus wobbling away atop a ladder.. yay!

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dustybin:

wtf?

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dustybin:

15:46 <directhex> justinh, how about a #22 dvb-s card? i hear compro makes them

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justinh:

time for a new irc client, dustybin

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justinh:

try one that isn't shit

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dustybin:

im using irssi

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justinh:

I stand corrected, then

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dustybin:

:-0

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i_is_cat:

anyone use an imon multimedian or thermaltake media lab?

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Andreaz:

Heya All... Will it make sense to write a php-script as replacement for the myth_sensors.sh Shell Script ?

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Andreaz:

Maybe with some more eyecandy?

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wagner:

what does mythsensors do?

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wagner:

track lm_sensors or something?

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directhex:

Andreaz, to what end?

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Andreaz:

Readout the ouput from lm_sensors and spit it in the mythbackendstatus

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wagner:

php is typically not a good means for shell scripting

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wagner:

while its certainly capable, its also not common

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Andreaz:

I imagine a tempbar for the temps and something like that for the fan rotation...

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Andreaz:

Thats why i ask if it make sense... :)

[15:19:58]

Andreaz:

But im better in php than in shell scripting, but anyway... Some to learn... :)

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justinh:

wagner: the apple trailers thing was done in php and AFAIK it spews out xml files as menus to access the trailers

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wagner:

ive written php shell programs before since thats what i knew at the time

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Andreaz:

php cause of the nice gd integration....

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wagner:

but ive switched everything over to python, not because its in any way better, but rather to make them more portable

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wagner:

justinh: indeed it is, i already had all the stuff installed so i didnt even notice

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justinh:

I'm not saying it's an ideal situation.. infact far from it :)

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Andreaz:

Is gd usable from shell scripts ?

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wagner:

the only stuff usable from traditional shell scripts are functions that have executables

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Andreaz:

uhm....

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wagner:

traditional being sh, bash, tcsh, ksh....

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wagner:

as far as i know, GD is just a set of libraries

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Andreaz:

The thing is i need to draw something that is visible in the backend status then...

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Andreaz:

Yeah, true.. A set of anything that helps drawing and picture manipulation..

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justinh:

well, there are the progressbar widgets you can use – not hard to implement meters for stuff

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justinh:

FWIW though, maybe look at making your system status gadget separate from the other status things – I find those a bit clunky & plan to rework at least one element at some point

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justinh:

maybe splitting the status page into a menu instead – then put each item on its own screen – or have a button to cycle through each one in turn...

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Andreaz:

Hm. I thought i put it in a script, if i try to implement this directly to mythbackend we get more dependencies – i think the intention of the myth_sensors script is exactly this, or ?

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Andreaz:

Im not sure, whos the best place... :)

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justinh:

it'd be handy to have stuff like that in the myth protocol for more than a few people

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wagner:

mythbackendstatus being the page in the 'info center'?

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wagner:

the one thats available on port 6344?

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Andreaz:

I also would love such sweet icons maybe in mythwelcome...

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Andreaz:

yeah

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justinh:

there's a plan to have an info scroller available in the frontend – so making that data available all the time would be the best way to go#

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Andreaz:

That means parsing from lm_sensors and alike and another depend.

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justinh:

not such a big deal IMHO

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justinh:

plenty of myth users install it anyway I'd bet

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Andreaz:

So me.. :)

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Andreaz:

But i think some was against it in the past, but im not sure..

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justinh:

infact I'd say it's a good idea for everybody to use it – if only to check your cooling is working – whether that be for a new build or not

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Andreaz:

Would be make some crazy errors more clearer for the user. I once got a faulty processor fan and wonder why the pc switch off over and over...

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Andreaz:

esp. after some mpeg decoding and tv watching, i blamed mythtv first...

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wagner:

you can grap the processor temperature through ACPI without needing lm_sensors

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directhex:

not always

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wagner:

and long as your kernel is compiled with it enabled

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directhex:

ACPI stuff always depends on non-sucky BIOSes

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wagner:

ah

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directhex:

many bios writers are chimps

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wagner:

and i guess cheap micro-atx boards are more likely to suffer from this...

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directhex:

big name brands. asus are chimps, for one

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gbee:

MSI

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Andreaz:

I got following situation: Tuner 1) recording Tuner 2) free... If i try to watch livetv i only can choice the stations from the tuned transponder from Tuner1. Tuner2 will stay free... I think this is a sideeffect of "recording >1 stations from one tunercard" – feature ?

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justinh:

Andreaz: still not found the magical key to press yet? ;)

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wagner:

the greatest advantage of python over php is that it defines what modules it needs to use right at the top of the file

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wagner:

i forgot to reinstall that apple trailers thing

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wagner:

when i rebuilt my frontend

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wagner:

so now im looking around trying to figure out what im missing thats causing my errors

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wagner:

here we go... php.ini: allow_url_fopen

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wagner:

i suppose that should go in the wiki

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** gbee waits for justinh to notice **

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gbee:

I'd guess the advantage of php is that 99% of the functionality you'll ever need is in the core and there are far fewer modules too

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gbee:

average website, for example, only needs php-base, php-mysql and possibly php-zlib if they want zlib compression of pages

[16:10:52]

wagner:

php has relatively little functionality in the core, it just automatically loads an assload of extensions by default

[16:10:58]

wagner:

at least when i set it up on my server

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wagner:

i suppose you can compile everything into the core exec

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wagner:

where as python, you have to explicitly load it in the script

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wagner:

theres some article on slashdot about commercial skipping

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wagner:

http://adage.com/digital/article?article_id=126951

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wagner:

some numbers on the frequency of different age groups using commercial skipping on their DVRs

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wagner:

its surprisingly low

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justinh:

gbee: notice what?

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wagner:

hes hiding behind your curtains

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gbee:

guess I'm still waiting :)

[16:28:38]

gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5357#comment:3

[16:28:43]

justinh:

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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justinh:

:)

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justinh:

" Sorry about that. "

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justinh:

no rush, then

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justinh:

sunny outside again.. biking my way to oblivion when I get home

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Neeesat:

Hello

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Neeesat:

JUst want to inform that finaly I have manage to download my listings with epg data

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justinh:

I *really* do hate those themes now. I know hate is a strong word – that's why I used it

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justinh:

and I now realise what a PITA sending patches in can become – somebody has to try em out before committing em

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justinh:

not only that, if the patch is half-assed, like an image isn't up to snuff for whatever reason you end up doing the feckin work yourself anyway

[16:33:41]

justinh:

at least somebody still loves Pg-wide though eh

[16:35:05]

Neeesat:

I use btlite-wide

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justinh:

heh I hate that even more than the others

[16:35:37]

Neeesat:

But I love Bloottube-wide but takes CPU power

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justinh:

it takes RAM not CPU power

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Neeesat:

well yes

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Neeesat:

RAM

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justinh:

all the big graphics

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justinh:

no avoiding that I'm afraid

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Neeesat:

It's great

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justinh:

doesn't matter. not my baby anymore. I just get to look after it when kind people send patches

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Neeesat:

is that you juski?

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justinh:

ex-juski

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Neeesat:

Great job

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justinh:

stroppy bastard #1

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bog0:

I have just unnamed channels after a full scan. Is it possible to take the channel informations from xawtv?

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justinh:

gbee: still, at least myth xml files aren't as bad as mediaportal skin files. take a look sometime. jesus the grainularity is ridiculous

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gbee:

careful, you've not seen mythui ;)

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gbee:

I probably shouldn't look at MP skins, might give me ideas

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justinh:

nah there's ridiculous & *riduculous*

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justinh:

gbee: so maybe there's more granularity in mythui than there was in the ui before – but that's offset by being able to define common widgets

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justinh:

I think that being able to define everything to look completely different is daft anyway, since any good design has a lot of commonality IMHO

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gbee:

yeah, overall there is less work with mythui because you can define things once, theme files are considerably smaller – but there is also huge amount of flexibility

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justinh:

by that I mean I wouldn't want the 'watch recordings' list to look different to any other kind of list in real terms

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justinh:

now can we please let some themes develop atrohpy & just die off? :D

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MaxeyPad2:

should mythtv be able to play x264 files (1080p sourced) on a dual core laptop (2.2) with 2gb of ram and an intel embedded video card without skipping...for that matter is there some sort of test suite I can run?

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justinh:

1080p sources of x264 bluray rips you downloaded? lol

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justinh:

if it's encoded in slices (prolly not if it's some ropey download) you can build mythtv to use both cores for decoding

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justinh:

if it hasn't been encoded in slices.. you might very well be stuck

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MaxeyPad2:

so a distro I pulled from say knoppmyth or mythbuntu is not built for that?

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wagner:

considering its 'x264' rather than 'h264', i assume its been recoded at a significantly lower bitrate?

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GreyFoxx:

Any linuxmce users here ?

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gbee:

we'll see what people make of mythui when it's complete I guess :)

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justinh:

wagner: debatable

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squish102:

last i tried linuxmce it didn't work for me (well not like the youtube video)

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MaxeyPad2:

either way, i'm guessing what comes on livecd distros of mythtv probably doesn't work

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gbee:

MaxeyPad2: I can manage h.264 1080i on an AMD 2x 3600 (2Ghx) .... but I need to get the best from it I have build with full processor optimisations using GCC 4.3 and disable the in-loop deblocking filter

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: I tried it once. does that count?

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janneg:

GreyFoxx: danielk22 is in #mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

squis: I'm just setting it up to test a feature, just curious about how much s[ace the install uses

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janneg:

but he is more than a user

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** justinh mutters something about the dark side **

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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squish102:

GreyFoxx soz, i cannot recall, it was a spare machine that had a spare disk in

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wagner:

gbee: but is that broadcast 1080i at ~15mbps, or downloaded at ~5mbps?

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gbee:

broadcast

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janneg:

GreyFoxx: you could also /join #linuxmce

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: I too used a bare machine with a spare hdd

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gbee:

bitrate: 20367 kb/s

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gbee:

Stream #0.0[0x5de]: Video: h264, yuv420p, 1440x1080 [PAR 15:11 DAR 20:11], 25.00 tb(r)

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GreyFoxx:

hmmmmm I had allocated 12GB, but it died during install complaining of being out of space

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wagner:

so in other words, you should be able to play anything less than a straight BRD/HDDVD

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justinh:

what kind of meat do you need to play bluray straight in linux?

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justinh:

assuming it's h.264 I mean

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gbee:

I'd quite like to see some hardware drives for Blueray – decoding done by the drive and pushed straight to the video card (including HDCP)

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wagner:

im under the assumption that h264 decoding capacity is based almost entirely on bitrate and packing mode (CALVC vs. CABAC), is that correct?

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justinh:

wagner: yup

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justinh:

gbee: nah just let's get GPU decoding in linux

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: yeah, I'm not too sure how I imagine it working, but that would be obviously be nice

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justinh:

no need of stinking HDCP then

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GreyFoxx:

heh yeah

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justinh:

but what the heck.. even with hdcp required.. small price to pay

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wagner:

12GB is not enough space for linuxmce? was it pre-allocating space for storage or something?

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justinh:

that woman on video dude must take up some room

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gbee:

justinh: we've still got the issue of copy protection and I can't see myself wanting to play "beat the MPAA" game, we were lucky with DVD but I'd rather live with HDCP on linux

[17:01:53]

justinh:

fwiw I'd probably pay to decode bluray in linux. I'm not all that strung up on 'free'

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AndyCap:

gbee: how do you see that happening? feeding aacs protected data to the graphics card with hdmi out?

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, 4 gb is the official answer, http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/What_hardw . . . d#Hard_Drive

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gbee:

AndyCap: something like that

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justinh:

anyway.. hometime

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stuarta:

justinh: if i wanted blueray playback i'd go buy a ps3

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wagner:

stuarta: yeah, i doubt i will ever want to play DVDs or BRDs in mythtv

[17:04:06]

wagner:

then again, i rip all my DVDs to make them available in mythvideo anyway

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stuarta:

i can't be arsed buying all the disk space

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MaxeyPad2:

is there a test suite of videos or something I could run to see what my hardware is capable of running

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wagner:

ive got some 200MB of broadcast HD test footage, but i dont remember where i got it from

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stuarta:

apple put plenty of trailers up on the web

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gbee:

200Mb? 2 seconds worth?

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gbee:

j/k btw

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wagner:

its mpeg2 and h264, at various resolutions

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gbee:

I've only two broadcast samples, both h.264 – although I transcoded one to mpeg2

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gbee:

mpeg2 HD should play on more systems without trouble – except may the embedded stuff, via etc

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wagner:

ah, it was the x264 site... http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/?dir=./

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wagner:

i guess it was all h264, no moeg2

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wagner:

theyre all mpeg transport streams

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wagner:

anyone here tried getting coreavc working?

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** stuarta believes in free codecs **

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wagner:

well when the free codecs are getting raped in performance, thats not always a good policy

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stuarta:

meh

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stuarta:

i'll wait

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PatrickDK:

I thought many people had coreavc working

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PatrickDK:

and it's benifits only a marginal increase

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wagner:

too much performance loss due to the emulation?

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PatrickDK:

I dunno

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PatrickDK:

but the perforance with it, and without it, was maybe like 10%

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PatrickDK:

and well, it's not hard to get a cpu with .2ghz more processing power

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MaxeyPad2:

10% could be the difference in a file playing and it nto

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wagner:

well i do know that it significantly outperforms ffdshow in windows

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wagner:

although that may only be because ffdshow is single threaded

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PatrickDK:

maxey, yes, but if your already that tight, you are going have issues still

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wagner:

seems ffdshow does support multithreading if you have the 'slices' mentioned earlier

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wagner:

ill have to look into that

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wagner:

so any time you do parallel encoding in x264, you also have parallel decoding?

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clever:

but nothing stops you from encoding with 4 threads on a single core box

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clever:

to enable multicore decoding

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wagner:

right, you just have to specify it, rather than let the encoder determine splitting automatically

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clever:

yeh

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wagner:

well nevermind then... i upgraded ffdshow and its doing surprisingly well

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RyeBrye:

Is the nouveau driver any good?

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directhex:

it's for driver developers right now

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Dagmar:

Wehew

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Dagmar:

Blu-ray blanks are not cheap

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directhex:

nope

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directhex:

tenner each?

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wagner:

~$10

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wagner:

bulk pricing: DVDs are ~$0.05/GB, DVD-DLs are ~$0.13/GB, BRDs are ~$0.40/GB

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wagner:

theyre almost twice as expensive as hard drives

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kormoc:

I remember the day when 1x cdr's were $15 each

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wagner:

that was before my time

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wagner:

i started when they were around $1/disk

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wagner:

dual layer disks start at $30, so $0.60 to $1.00/GB

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nich__:

I installed a DVB-S (Nova S+) card along side my DVB-T (Nova-500), but the adaptor number appears random at boot, which confuses MythTV. Is there a way to cause the same card to always get the same DVB adaptor number?

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gbee:

nich_: yes, it involves some udev tweaking, but I don't know the details – there might be information on the wiki or you might try asking in #linuxtv

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gbee:

nich__: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Device_Filenames_and_udev

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gbee:

there are example rules for DVB down that page as well as background on udev configuration

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gbee:

probably best to read it all

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nich__:

thank you

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janneg:

nich__: 2.6.26 will have and v4l-dvb hg has a per driver option adapter_nr to choose the adapter numbers

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gbee:

thanks to janneg? :)

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gbee:

I seem to remember the email about that

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xris:

man, it takes a long time to set up this harmony, but I think it'll be slick when it's done. now if only I could get lirc to work. !!

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janneg:

gbee: yes, I did that

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nich__:

janneg, thanks for the headsup

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nich__:

udev is troublesome for the T500, as it has two, identical (serial number, et. al.) adaptors

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nich__:

I'll reboot and see if these rules work. Thanks.

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clever:

nich__: just wire both to the same feed then:P

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clever:

identical inputs mean it wont mater when they get swaped

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rockhound:

hi everyone ... do I need to specify hwac3 or hwdts as -ao params in the video player command with mplayer or are these added accordingly?

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rockhound:

*-ac

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rockhound:

ahh ... -ac hwac3,hwdts should work, I guess

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valeech:

hello!

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justinh:

woohoo! not every day can be this joyous... got my car tax refund at long last :)

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Andreaz:

Hrm. Im still waiting for a message from insurance caus of my stolen things...

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justinh:

btw the apple clips aren't representative of the kind of HD broadcast in Europe. there's h.264 and then there's broadcast h.264.. after that there's 1080p h.264 which ends up on HD discs

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Andreaz:

I believe it will be winter, if they pay my new bike...

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justinh:

my C2D frontend coped with 1080p apple clips without any problems on a single core. not so for a clip from BBC HD

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justinh:

at least not until I got both cores working & disabled the loopfilter bollix

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Andreaz:

Somtimes i think insurance is a one way cashflow...

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

if you had all those shareholders to please would you willingly give money out like no tomorrow? I wouldn't

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justinh:

FWIW I don't think we'll ever see an ethical insurance company

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bsdfox_:

guess I'm gonna wipe my mythtv install now :(

[19:43:22]

bsdfox_:

or anyone got advice on importing data from a svn trunk to svn .21-fixes db?

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justinh:

like uh.. "hey you've been with us for years & never had a claim.. here's some cash"

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justinh:

bsdfox_: recorded, record tables and er.. maybe some others. you'll have a hard time downgrading a db schema

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justinh:

probably need recordedseek & recordedmarkup too but bear in mind the data structure might have changed

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bsdfox_:

so I should just start fresh

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bsdfox_:

gonna lose my 180 seinfelds :(

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justinh:

how's about exporting your videometadata etc tables too.. but ffs compare the table contents (i.e. columns) before importing

[19:48:01]

justinh:

yet again if you're been keeping up to speed on the mailing lists you'd be more aware of the things which've changed

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justinh:

s/you're/you'd

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bsdfox_:

yeah well I've been running trunk since september or so, don't upgrade often but now that .21-fixes is out it seems trunk is less reliable :P my mistake

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gbee:

bsdfox_: anything in particular? Lots of thing are broken, but you might save yourself a lot of hassle if you can live with them :)

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bsdfox_:

gbee: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/331003

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bsdfox_:

getting that problem upgrading gb

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bsdfox_:

db

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Anduin:

bsdfox_: so you are at the point where the automatic backup really has everything you need?

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justinh:

hmmm. seems my frontend's lirc is going potty. sometimes it comes up fine, others not. it's not auto-updating & I haven't blimmin touched it since I finished tweaking on it.. so wtf?

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sphery:

bsdfox_: do you have a pre-Qt4-upgrade DB backup?

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gbee:

odd, thought janneg had fixed those

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sardiskan:

Does anyone know if a TV Wonder 550 will work with mythtv?

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sardiskan:

http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-page.php?pageName=pvrhw_tuners

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sardiskan:

shows that it's the top used tuner

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sardiskan:

but I am having some issues with it.

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Dagmar:

Dude, that's alphabetical order.

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Dagmar:

You don't want ATI anything under Linux if you can help it.

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bsdfox_:

looks like I have 1203 backed up

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sphery:

bsdfox_: how old?

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bsdfox_:

3–11

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Dagmar:

If you want an "easy mode" tuner to use, get one of the Hauppauge PVR-xx0 cards

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sphery:

bsdfox_: also, did you check for the automatic backup from the current (failing) DB update?

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dustybin:

The Apprentice starts in 5mins BBC1

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gbee:

Dagmar: not really true anymore, their video drivers are actually very good (read better than nvidia)

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sphery:

bsdfox_: 1203 (assuming that's schema version) will work with 0.21-fixes (i.e. 0.21-fixes will update it).

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bsdfox_:

crap

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bsdfox_:

only had that backup on the frontends

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sphery:

bsdfox_: there's only one DB

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bsdfox_:

oh cool

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sphery:

so regardless of whether the backup was made on frontend or backend, it should be the same

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justinh:

has somebody made a daemon to announce in IRC when their favourite shows are about to start? somebody should tell them to use mythtv instead

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** dustybin hides **

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gbee:

sardiskan: those old style software cards aren't generally used or recommended anymore, but ask in #linuxtv about linux support

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justinh:

rather missing the point of mythtv, all this "wooo such & such starts in 2 minutes.. better get my arse on the couch!"

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sphery:

also, have you ever done anything you weren't supposed to do to your DB--like changing the character set of columns in tables (as mentioned in the wiki – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Utf8_Text_in_OSD )

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sphery:

bsdfox_: ^^^

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dustybin:

justinh: nothing beats realtime :P

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justinh:

dustybin, YOU'RE FIRED!

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sphery:

bsdfox_: if so, that's why the DB upgrade for the post-Qt4 MythTV is failing (and it's unlikely to be "fixed" as it's corrupt data rather than a problem in Myth).

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dustybin:

lol

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justinh:

nothing beats ffwding through boring bits. I just cut out the middleman with shows like that & don't bother recording em

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bsdfox_:

Don't think so

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justinh:

if I wanted to laugh at stupid people without a clue I'd log into an IRC channel..

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sphery:

bsdfox_: OK, just curious.

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ddgoose:

anyone know if tv wonder 550 can be made to work with mythtv?

[20:05:02]

** sardiskan waves at ddgoose **

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ddgoose:

heh

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sardiskan:

:)

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sardiskan:

could I gest a suggested tuner card w/ mpeg encoding on-card

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justinh:

hauppauge pvr150, or bust

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sardiskan:

ok

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sardiskan:

I'll give that one a try

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sardiskan:

damnit...this was my 2nd card....

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justinh:

or the dual tuner pvr500, also from Hauppauge, but YMMV

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justinh:

blame nobody but ATI for the lack of a driver for linux for the tv wonder 550

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justinh:

they used a chip for which no datasheet is forthcoming.. kinda makes driver development tricky

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Dagmar:

I blame China

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ddgoose:

typical ATI story then..

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gbee:

isn't there a driver? I wouldn't recommend them, but that doesn't mean it can't be made to work

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Dagmar:

Considering the price differences, I'd say it's probably a moot point. Just less hassle to avoid ATI entirely.

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justinh:

it's kind of like the situation with the pvr150 was initially – only without anybody at the company willing to help out

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justinh:

and the only tests where the ATI 'theater' cards come out on top of hauppauge hardware mpeg cards – er.. they only 'prove' the advantages by zooming into the resulting video. not a fair test IMHO

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gbee:

http://linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/ATI/AMD# . . . e_facilities

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sardiskan:

thx gbee

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sardiskan:

that's what I needed to see

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gbee:

Dagmar: personally I went with ATi because I just couldn't find an Nvidia based mobo with equivalent features

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xand:

hmm, rude mythbackend[8912]: segfault at 0000000a eip 08106d6f esp a5d66080 error 4

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sardiskan:

but I don't understand why it isn't working.

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gbee:

the ATI driver was a pleasant suprise though, the TV-out stuff is far better than what you get with the nvidia driver – better quality and better overscan and image position control

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sardiskan:

gbee...how did you get your ATI working?

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stuarta:

did you get the xv overlay working with the prop driver?

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gbee:

sardiskan: don't have an ATi tuner, just an ATi graphics card

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sardiskan:

oh

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gbee:

don't have a need for an analogue card and if I did I pick a PVR-150

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gbee:

all digital here

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sardiskan:

nice

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sardiskan:

how do you go all digital?

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sphery:

s/b c

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gbee:

live in the UK, Germany, Italy, Spain, Australia or parts of the USA (to name a few)

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sphery:

i.e. make sure that (re-)broadcasters are transmitting usable (=unencrypted) digital versions of all the channels you want to receive (or, want to receive only those channels that are tranmitted in usable digital form)

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gbee:

DVB-T, DVB-S, DVB-C in most of the world or ATSC(QAM) in the US (because they like to be difficult :p)

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killaz:

hi there mythtv

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killaz:

Is it possible to run mythtv without a GUI? meaning that the myth box is only used to record?

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kormoc:

killaz, that is what the backend does, yes

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killaz:

kormoc: oh ok.. I thought that the backend has a GUI to configurate it

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kormoc:

killaz, it does, but that's to configure it, once it's configured, it's good to go

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killaz:

because I dont want a desktop (X Windows) to be running the wholle time on the box

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kormoc:

killaz, it doesn't run all the time, and you can use x forwarding to not even run it for the setup

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killaz:

I just want the mythtv to record and just used it with uPnP (PS3) to watch the recordings

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killaz:

kormoc: ok that sounds cool

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killaz:

kormoc: so I still need to install X on the server otherwise I can't use x forwarding, right?

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kormoc:

X is a dep requirement of qt and mythbackend depends on qt, so yeah, you'll need it installed

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killaz:

kormoc: ok so once in a while startx, config mythtv and then stop x server again

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kormoc:

yup

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killaz:

the idea of resources being used by x or a desktop environment while I'm not using it, didn;t sounds good

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killaz:

thnx

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xand:

hmm, when i go to Watch TV, mythfrontend seg faults x.x

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xand:

how can i change the channel to watch before going to "Watch TB"?

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xand:

*TV

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xand:

it crashes just after getting channel lock

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sphery:

xand: change startchan on cardinput, then restart mythbackend

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gbee:

backtrace

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whitejs:

so I'm seeing stuttering on 2 remote front-ends, and I had a similar problem about 2 years ago that was somehow timezone/localtime/tzconfig related and I can't, for the life of me, remember what it was.

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Gokee2:

Is there any way to halt all recording in mythtv?

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Gokee2:

(I kind up want to keep the damon running to watch already recorded shows

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whitejs:

Gokee2: remove the tuner definitions

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GreyFoxx:

restart the master backend with --nosched

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GreyFoxx:

it will run and serve content but not schedule recordings

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Gokee2:

Ah ok

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Gokee2:

I guess there is something in myth-setup to search for over the air channels?

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TelnetManta:

any of you guys use xfce?

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kormoc:

I do

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TelnetManta:

any idea how to repair a bad xorg config? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg isnt working

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kormoc:

that's entirely unrelated to the window manager

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kormoc:

and I just write my x configs by hand

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esotericisms:

anyone setup mythtv on fedora 8?

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esotericisms:

has anyone been able to install mythtv on fedora 8?

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esotericisms:

GreyFoxx: ?

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GreyFoxx:

What ?

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kormoc:

esotericisms, nope, no-one in the world has ever attempted such a feat!

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esotericisms:

very funny

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JohnMahowald:

Except me, who accomplished the impossible! Heh.

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esotericisms:

I am just trying to find the right nvidia drivers

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esotericisms:

JohnMahowald: you using nvidia?

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JohnMahowald:

Yes. rpm.livna.org

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esotericisms:

JohnMahowald: what version?

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JohnMahowald:

xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-169.12–1.lvn8.x86_64

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esotericisms:

hrm they don't have an i386 version

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JohnMahowald:

Huh?

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JohnMahowald:

Not for Fedora 9, no

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esotericisms:

I don't see an i386 for f8

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esotericisms:

can anyone help?

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Dagmar:

Does this look like #Fedora?

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xris:

that does remind me why I wasn't going to put fedora 9 on my mythbox yet, though... nvidia driver isn't quite happy

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Dagmar:

Meh. It gives me some occasional grief under Windows XP (imagine that, since it started after the release of Vista and doesn't crash during games) but zero problems under Linux so far

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Dagmar:

esotericisms: Seriously tho'. Please put distro-specific questions to the distro-specific channels, since there might be lurkers in there with the same problem as what you have, as well as there's a way higher chance someone in there will know the answer right off the top of their head.

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xris:

Dagmar: you try it in fedora 9? there was a known issue with that kernel version last time I tried (a couple of weeks ago)

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Dagmar:

Nope. For one thing, I use Slackware. For the other, I generally lag a kernel or two behind deliberately to avoid those kinds of issues.

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Dagmar:

...plus right now I'm in the middle of building up Gnome 2.22, so umm... I'm looking at bloody text consoles almost all over the house. heh

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xris:

esotericisms: in answer to your questions, I wouldn't recommend using fedora 9 for mythtv for at least a few weeks.

[23:05:39]

xris:

it's too new, and they're using a kernel that's so bleeding edge, even some gentoo folks shy away from it. ;)

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charles__:

hi mythtv lovers ! I have a simple question. I managed to bind my remote keys to mythtv. The only remaining buttons left are volumeup (F11), volumedown (F10) and mute (F9). I binded them in my lircrc file, restarted lircd and mythfrontend, no succes. This is stange as my others buttons works. Any idea ?

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mack0822:

The fastforward & rewind doesn't seem to be working....any ideas?

[23:09:56]

Dagmar:

Test carefully.

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charles__:

ok, it seems a problem with me lircd.conf file....

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mack0822:

I'm using the same lirc file on hardy as with gutsy

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Dagmar:

Sounds like an Ubuntu problem then.

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mack0822:

Has mythtv changed how to fast forward / rewind a pre-recorded video?

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kormoc:

mack0822, install mythcontrols and check?

[23:22:32]

mack0822:

ok I will but it use to work fine before Hardy

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mack0822:

ok installed mythcontrols but no difference....

[23:24:23]

mack0822:

I using the right and left arrow keys to fast forward and rewind....

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mack0822:

the video stops and continues but doesn't fast forward or rewind

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kormoc:

check the logs?

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mack0822:

ok

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squish102:

mack0822 if u figure it out let us know, i am thiinking of going to hardy but have heard of lots of problems

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pat_:

stupid question, under 0.20 the old guide data was deleted from the database in the next mythfilldatabase run, under 0.21 it doesn't seem to be doing this. Is this the expected behavour?

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mack0822:

this is what I have for the frontend...http://pastebin.ca/1018490

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kormoc:

pat_, it is for me

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pat_:

hmm

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** pat_ googles **

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mack0822:

this is my backend...http://pastebin.ca/1018493

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mack0822:

any ideas?

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mack0822:

backend looks ok

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mack0822:

frontend has some error

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pat_:

aah, 0.20 deleted right up to the previous day by default and had the --no-delete option for retaining the previous 7 days data

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pat_:

0.21 makes this the default behaviour

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kormoc:

huh

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Dagmar:

0.20 deleted my cat!

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kormoc:

Mine is deleted right to today

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** kormoc shrugs **

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pat_:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythfilldatabase

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pat_:

that's where I found that (and in the history of that page)

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Dagmar:

OMG

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pat_:

huh?

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Dagmar:

What is with the disabling tcp window scaling

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Dagmar:

*headdesk*

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pat_:

it fixes what ails ye.

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Dagmar:

If your router is horribly broken.

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Dagmar:

Otherwise it's a big fat bogon.

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Dagmar:

Seriously.

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Dagmar:

Breaking your host machine, even temporarily, in order to get around having egregiously misconfigured one's network gateway is just stupid.

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Dagmar:

Fix the bloody router.

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Dagmar:

It doesn't help that the thread the person cites as being the source of his solution is _a whole different issue_

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Dagmar:

It's looking like the guy posting on gossamer threads dropping in a firewall rule to block fin packets to get around BT filtering, because if you do it *wrong*, connections that never properly close is what you get.,

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Dagmar:

I'm going to go have a smoke now, because I feel a serious flame coming on.

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