| Sunday, May 11th, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:07] | hachi: | 10 of them or something |
| [00:00:08] | hachi: | kormoc: could be |
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| [00:00:34] | kormoc: | you can disable thumbnail display/generation in mythweb's settings |
| [00:00:40] | clever: | i just stoped using mythweb |
| [00:00:43] | kormoc: | that should keep the load down in the future |
| [00:00:49] | clever: | ive got a script which runs a frontend in vnc |
| [00:01:14] | clever: | but 90% of the time im at a frontend so i dont need it |
| [00:02:01] | justinh: | Aval0n: but by definition, any device fitted with an electrical plug is technically an *appliance* and thus can be plugged into a trailing socket |
| [00:02:05] | hachi: | will it eventually finish? or do I need to restart the backend to get it back? |
| [00:02:13] | justinh: | or is that just cos it's fixed to a wall? |
| [00:02:17] | clever: | it never finished for me |
| [00:02:25] | clever: | i think ive seen it do that for days |
| [00:02:37] | kormoc: | hachi, depends on the threads you found, if they're actually doing work, it'll finish, if they're not, then it'll just freeze forever |
| [00:03:15] | Aval0n: | justinh: I don't follow i'm sorry |
| [00:04:40] | Aval0n: | it is mounted on the wall and all other cables are hidden behind the wall |
| [00:04:43] | Aval0n: | or in wall |
| [00:04:46] | justinh: | ahh |
| [00:04:53] | justinh: | so the stuff in the wall has to be to code |
| [00:04:55] | justinh: | gotcha |
| [00:04:59] | Aval0n: | yes sir |
| [00:05:00] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [00:05:13] | justinh: | does the big screen have an IEC mains cable? |
| [00:05:22] | justinh: | you can get inline suppressor thingies |
| [00:05:32] | Aval0n: | I'm not sure what that is |
| [00:05:35] | Aval0n: | but I don't belive so |
| [00:05:41] | Aval0n: | it just has standard A/C |
| [00:05:52] | justinh: | put it this way, is it a fixed cable out of the back of the TV? |
| [00:05:54] | Aval0n: | and I have a very nice monster power conditioning power strip with surge suppresion |
| [00:06:01] | Aval0n: | no it is not |
| [00:06:13] | hachi: | IEC C7, or C5, or C13 :) |
| [00:06:31] | Aval0n: | I really want to have the plasma plugged into this,,, |
| [00:07:06] | justinh: | but you can't put that in the wall.. |
| [00:07:14] | Aval0n: | http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Monster-Cable- . . . uctDetail.do |
| [00:07:21] | Aval0n: | no I can't |
| [00:07:21] | justinh: | and a trailing lead would just be fugly |
| [00:07:35] | Aval0n: | did you see the site I posted |
| [00:07:35] | justinh: | shoulda thoughta that :P |
| [00:07:36] | Aval0n: | before |
| [00:08:02] | Aval0n: | http://www.powerbridgesolution.com/aboutpowerbridge.html |
| [00:08:04] | Phantom1000: | Is anyone running the current trunk? I was running it through the .21 release and then stopped once .21 was released. Is the trunk currently fairly stable or am I **really** asking for trouble by using it? |
| [00:08:09] | Aval0n: | that gives you a power passthrough that meets code |
| [00:08:28] | Aval0n: | so then you just take a regular power cable and plug it into the button "outlet" and then into my power strip |
| [00:08:36] | kormoc: | Phantom1000, given you're not following the -dev list, you shouldn't be running -trunl |
| [00:08:37] | kormoc: | *k |
| [00:08:42] | justinh: | ah |
| [00:09:21] | Aval0n: | so what I was origanally trying to explain is |
| [00:09:25] | Aval0n: | I already have half of that |
| [00:09:35] | justinh: | we mst be lucky in the UK – we don't really have to worry about our gear being blown up by dodgy mains |
| [00:09:36] | Aval0n: | I have the top outlet behind the TV, the cable coming down.... |
| [00:09:53] | Aval0n: | the only difference is the cable coming down is wired into my origanal wall outlet |
| [00:10:06] | Aval0n: | I would just need to disconnect it and wire it to another face plate with a make end |
| [00:10:08] | Aval0n: | like theirs |
| [00:10:13] | Aval0n: | just don't know if it's made |
| [00:10:18] | justinh: | I doubt it somehow |
| [00:11:08] | justinh: | if all you're after is surge arresting, look at putting it inline where the mains cable plugins into the TV |
| [00:11:17] | justinh: | er.. *plugs in* |
| [00:11:45] | Aval0n: | but ther eis no room for anything behind the tv |
| [00:11:50] | Aval0n: | and I don't want something dangling down |
| [00:12:02] | Aval0n: | or it defeats the whole purpose of having everything else in the wall.. |
| [00:12:19] | Aval0n: | my objective is to get the TV plugged into the power conditioning strip that I have |
| [00:12:30] | Aval0n: | so it will be protected and EMI be filtered out |
| [00:12:42] | justinh: | well, all i can say is you shoulda thought of that before having the wall channelled ;) |
| [00:12:57] | Aval0n: | hahah |
| [00:13:01] | Aval0n: | yeah... |
| [00:13:08] | justinh: | and living in the wrong country with your crazy building codes |
| [00:13:14] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [00:14:31] | justinh: | then again this country is becoming daft like that – stupid rules |
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| [00:14:50] | justinh: | like not being allowed to move a lightswitch all by yourself |
| [00:15:27] | justinh: | ffs if somebody makes a booboo with their home electrics & kills their family, it's THEIR OWN fault. you don't have to legislate for it |
| [00:15:47] | justinh: | and if anybody thinks for one minute the regs will guarantee tradesmen you hire won't take shortcuts, think again ;) |
| [00:16:30] | Aval0n: | heheh |
| [00:17:22] | justinh: | this place was rewired by a 'pro' before we moved in.. nothing to do with me. Had the floorboards up pulling old lead (!) pipe out which developed a nasty leak.. found the ceiling rose for the downstairs light – the cabling was just twisted together & covered with sellotape! |
| [00:18:34] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [00:19:04] | justinh: | other cables covered with paper masking tape. sellotape – borderline possibly safe – but paper?! |
| [00:20:10] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [00:20:17] | justinh: | Icouldn't sleep that night until I'd fixed it all. christ only knows what else is wrong here |
| [00:20:31] | justinh: | oh yeah live on black was a good un |
| [00:21:19] | justinh: | you can do that according to our regs but only if you put red sleeving on it |
| [00:22:01] | Aval0n: | eeeek |
| [00:22:34] | justinh: | not that it's red for live & black for neutral anymore. brown & blue respectively, as used on appliance cables |
| [00:22:48] | justinh: | green/yellow is earth |
| [00:23:59] | shiznix: | legislate away i say, so many sparkys have been injured by home handymen that think they have a clue |
| [00:24:28] | justinh: | guy at work has a funny saying... "Soil is brown, so that must be the earth. Blue – the sky is blue & that's where air comes from – air can't hurt you so that must be neutral. Green & yellow – they're plant colours. plants are alive so that must mean live!" |
| [00:24:34] | shiznix: | you don't expect live on green/yellow for example |
| [00:25:01] | shiznix: | rofl |
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| [00:26:09] | justinh: | it wouldn't be completely unreasonable to go that way though, if you think about it |
| [00:26:15] | justinh: | logical, even |
| [00:27:09] | justinh: | why brown/blue for live/neutral.. no idea |
| [00:29:21] | shiznix: | it's an IEC standard |
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| [00:29:54] | shiznix: | the old IEC standard could have black as the live, depends what part of the world you live as to what colours are used |
| [00:30:01] | shiznix: | http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_5/chpt_2/2.html |
| [00:30:46] | shiznix: | here in Australia we have red/black as live/neutral, green/yellow earth, and red/white/blue for 3-phase |
| [00:31:06] | justinh: | red was much better for live IMHO. just spells warning! |
| [00:31:14] | shiznix: | yep |
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| [01:42:24] | thedarkone: | anyone know why i get apache2syntax error on line 104 of /etc//apache2/conf.d/mythweb conf: invaild command 'php_value', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration. |
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| [01:47:42] | kormoc: | thedarkone, cause you don't have mod_php installed? |
| [01:47:44] | sphery: | thedarkone: you do have "LoadModule php5_module lib/httpd/libphp5.so" in one of your httpd configuration files, right |
| [01:49:08] | sphery: | kormoc: I finished up the new QUERY_TIME_ZONE patch. It was /defininitely/ much more code than the initial patch. |
| [01:49:32] | kormoc: | sphery, heh, funny how that works. I'll take a look at it tomorrow :) |
| [01:50:10] | sphery: | No rush. I haven't written the code for the (slave) backends/frontends to use it to verify configuration, yet. |
| [01:50:55] | sphery: | Was hoping to get it into the protocol and perhaps have some people test it with the test script before I post a patch that prevents Myth from running if it doesn't like the results. :) |
| [01:51:26] | kormoc: | Sounds like a plan :) |
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| [01:52:37] | sphery: | Funny, though, that it's been on my TODO list for about 6 months and I haven't seen many timezone configuration issues during that time, but in the last week, I've seen at least 4 people post questions where the solution was to fix the time zone. |
| [01:52:59] | sphery: | I guess mainly because of the new releases (0.21, Ubuntu 8.04, FC8, ...) |
| [01:53:57] | kormoc: | heh, pushy users! |
| [01:54:23] | sphery: | Yeah. At least it made me feel that the code was actually worthwhile. |
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| [02:30:52] | thedarkone: | i have mod_php |
| [02:46:15] | rooaus: | sphery: I think the timezone patch is definitely worthwhile, especially given php uses different tzdata to the system. This year daylight savings end changed (and the start next year) to be 6 months on, 6 months off. The result was the php tzdata was out of sync (old) with the system timezone (new). For some reason php didn't update the tzdata. |
| [02:48:43] | kormoc: | rooaus, php uses time.h, it just needs to be recompiled to use the new timezone data, that was your distro's fault |
| [02:50:13] | kormoc: | rooaus, or you can use pecl's timezone database which emulates the recompiled process |
| [02:50:54] | rooaus: | kormoc: Cool, it was Ubuntu Gutsy... I figured it was the php maintainers issue but didn't look further into it as it only lasted 1 week. Just meant Mythweb was out by an hour but was still usable. |
| [02:50:57] | jams: | sphery- was the maintenance script i sent your way any help? |
| [02:53:04] | thedarkone: | well i fix most of it now i get this |
| [02:53:08] | thedarkone: | Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_STATIC, expecting T_OLD_FUNCTION or T_FUNCTION or T_VAR or '}' in /var/www/mythweb/classes/Database.php on line 106 |
| [02:53:32] | kormoc: | thedarkone, you're running php 4, as per the docs, php 5 is required for that version |
| [02:55:19] | thedarkone: | oh |
| [02:55:36] | thedarkone: | i got put php5 o |
| [02:55:38] | thedarkone: | on |
| [02:58:53] | kormoc: | Actually writing coherent sentences might help a little |
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| [03:20:57] | sphery: | rooaus: thanks for the encouragement |
| [03:21:51] | sphery: | jams: Haven't had a chance to look at it. The timezone patch, which was supposed to be quick and easy, turned out to be not so. |
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| [03:34:31] | jams: | i noticed |
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| [03:48:24] | lwizardl: | Gumby, you busy? |
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| [03:53:58] | Gumby: | define "busy" |
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| [03:57:28] | lwizardl: | willing to help me |
| [03:59:48] | Gumby: | whats the problem? |
| [04:04:48] | lwizardl: | cant get mythtv to see it as a dvb card |
| [04:05:51] | cesman: | it isn't up to MythTV to see it |
| [04:05:56] | cesman: | it is up to Linux to see |
| [04:06:10] | cesman: | and if something else is using the card, guess what... |
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| [04:07:47] | lwizardl: | it only shows up in mythtv as analog v4l or mpeg |
| [04:07:50] | lwizardl: | not dvb |
| [04:08:42] | cesman: | then I'd suspect the module(s) aren't loaded appropriately |
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| [04:23:37] | johnf: | should mythtv also expose the pictures via upnp |
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| [04:27:46] | johnf: | or to rephrase does mythtv act as a media server for the gallery? |
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| [04:30:05] | Jinxed-: | I am interested in setting up a media server where I can stream my music and compressed videos. I would like to be able to access these from remote sites. I also want to be able to watch the movies and play music in different rooms in my house. Is there a way to do this with Ubuntu? I had heard some people mention MythTv and Jinzora, has anyone had any experience with either of these? |
| [04:31:29] | Ra^: | I don't think anyone here has any experience with MythTV....... |
| [04:32:51] | Jinxed-: | Ra^ sorry I keep getting redirected to different rooms |
| [04:33:00] | Jinxed-: | so I just copyed/pasted my message |
| [04:33:23] | Jinxed-: | Can MythTv act as a media server... it seems to be more focused on a dvr from what I have read |
| [04:33:39] | Ra^: | read up on Myth at Mythtv.org |
| [04:34:10] | Ra^: | You can have a backend server doing all the recording/streaming, and multiple frontends playing on TV's or whatnot |
| [04:34:18] | JohnMahowald: | Of course it is, client fontends connect to the server backend |
| [04:34:57] | Jinxed-: | but would i be able to acess my backend from a different site completly not on the network |
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| [04:35:18] | Jinxed-: | I want to be able to watch my movies/tv and listen to music when i am on the road |
| [04:35:37] | JohnMahowald: | Try MythWeb |
| [04:35:40] | Ra^: | why would you want to watch TV while driving??? |
| [04:35:43] | Ra^: | just kidding |
| [04:36:02] | Jinxed-: | ha |
| [04:36:10] | Jinxed-: | so mythweb would do this? |
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| [04:37:13] | JohnMahowald: | Basic streaming is starting to work in mythweb. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythWeb |
| [04:39:45] | Tanthrix: | Ram I paid $146.99 for in Jan of 07 costs $24.99 now. I knew I shouldn't have gone back and looked at my newegg order history! |
| [04:40:22] | Jinxed-: | So with a tuner do you still have to pay for cable? |
| [04:40:49] | Jinxed-: | I was more interested in movies/music when I started this, not so much tv so I don't know much about tv on the computer |
| [04:40:56] | Tanthrix: | Jinxed-: All a tuner does is tune a signal. That signal has got to come from somewhere. |
| [04:41:04] | Jinxed-: | hmm |
| [04:41:07] | Jinxed-: | alright |
| [04:41:09] | Jinxed-: | makes sense |
| [04:41:40] | Jinxed-: | Is there an easy way to install mythtv and mythweb |
| [04:41:44] | JohnMahowald: | Whether cable, satellite, or over the air |
| [04:41:52] | JohnMahowald: | Some distros have packages |
| [04:42:08] | Jinxed-: | I run ubuntu |
| [04:42:11] | Jinxed-: | 7.10 |
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| [04:44:50] | JohnMahowald: | They have packages! https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV |
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| [05:18:55] | fryfrog: | Jinxed-: they even have an ubuntu based "myth" system called mythbuntu, if that is the only thing your myth box plans on doing it'd probably be worth a look |
| [05:19:05] | fryfrog: | (not that you can't do other stuff with mythbuntu system) |
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| [05:31:00] | Balachmar: | Hi, is it possible to take recordinginformation and the recorded programs with me when I upgrade to mythtv 0.21 from 0.20? |
| [05:31:23] | Balachmar: | I want to upgrade from a ubuntu feisty+ mythtv to the latest mythbuntu installation |
| [05:32:04] | lwizardl: | can someone help me with getting my dvb card working in ubuntu? |
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| [05:54:08] | cesman: | Balachmar: yes, it is possible |
| [05:54:17] | cesman: | Balachmar: directions are in the MythTV docs |
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| [05:56:24] | Solv: | hi cesman |
| [05:56:34] | cesman: | hello Solv |
| [05:56:42] | Solv: | did ya get some sleep |
| [05:56:55] | fryfrog: | Balachmar: basically all you need to do is preserve your actual recordings and your db, the 0.21 will auto-matically update things |
| [05:57:47] | Balachmar: | fryfrog: Is that also possible with a complete reinstall? |
| [05:58:36] | Balachmar: | Because then the new database structure would be present already, so maybe not everything could be imported without error |
| [06:03:05] | fryfrog: | Balachmar: sure, it'd be fine with a complete re-install |
| [06:03:19] | fryfrog: | just make a backup copy of the "clean" db, then replace it with your "old" 0.20 db |
| [06:03:28] | fryfrog: | then, just restart the backend and it'll upgrade everything |
| [06:03:40] | fryfrog: | you might then want to go in and delete all tuners, listings and channels and re-configure that stuff |
| [06:04:01] | fryfrog: | mythbackend will bring an old db structure up to "newer" |
| [06:04:10] | fryfrog: | but it can't go backwards |
| [06:04:14] | Balachmar: | fryfrog: ok, cool! Thanks for the extra explanation, I don't think I would have believed it otherwise :P |
| [06:04:33] | fryfrog: | if you *wanted* you could just upgrade your current system to 0.21 |
| [06:04:40] | fryfrog: | then, when you xfer it... it'll be the same |
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| [06:05:05] | fryfrog: | but just do yourself a favor and keep a backup or 2 of the db so if you do goof something up, you can ungoof it |
| [06:05:08] | Balachmar: | fryfrog: Well, I could do that, but there are some other things with the box that I would like to mend |
| [06:05:21] | fryfrog: | it doesn't have to *work* :) |
| [06:05:27] | fryfrog: | just do the schema update on the db |
| [06:06:06] | Balachmar: | k, I will keep an extra backup of the db :) |
| [06:06:33] | fryfrog: | i'd suggest a backup right before you do anything to the db |
| [06:06:38] | fryfrog: | ie: backup db, upgrade to 0.21 |
| [06:06:55] | fryfrog: | backup db, copy other backup to new db |
| [06:06:59] | fryfrog: | etc, etc |
| [06:07:23] | Balachmar: | ok, that sounds as a safe thing to do :) |
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| [06:20:45] | lwizardl: | anyone here use ubuntu and have DVB cards? |
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| [06:21:17] | leprechau: | so.... |
| [06:21:29] | fryfrog: | probably a number of people have/had |
| [06:21:32] | leprechau: | what's the cheapest small form factor frontend you can build nowdays |
| [06:21:50] | leprechau: | all I need is svideo out and optical audio |
| [06:22:03] | leprechau: | don't even have to have DVI/HD although it would be nice to grow into |
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| [06:31:11] | Criggie: | Hey all – I have to say I'm impressed with mythdvd's transcode functions – its really quite slick |
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| [06:35:03] | fryfrog: | leprechau: if you are doing SD, pretty much any system in the last 5 years would work |
| [06:35:15] | fryfrog: | if you are doing HD, i'd go for something at least from 1–2 years ago |
| [06:35:44] | Criggie: | I ran SD on a P3 500 with no problems. Not a lot of speed either, but it worked. |
| [06:35:58] | leprechau: | http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst . . . 002_67718664 |
| [06:36:02] | leprechau: | how about that? |
| [06:36:11] | leprechau: | do those work well for SD and future HD growth? |
| [06:36:15] | Criggie: | sexy |
| [06:36:25] | Criggie: | can't tell much from a picture though |
| [06:36:37] | leprechau: | http://www.e-itx.com/via-epia-ex15000g.html |
| [06:36:54] | fryfrog: | i think i'd skip via stuff |
| [06:36:59] | Criggie: | looka like a Via C cpu |
| [06:37:08] | fryfrog: | their cpus are pretty low power consumption and low power |
| [06:37:18] | leprechau: | not worth the price then? |
| [06:37:25] | Criggie: | It would be stunning for SD |
| [06:37:29] | fryfrog: | if you are *just* doing SD for now, you could probably save a *ton* and get a SFF system from 4 years ago |
| [06:37:31] | Criggie: | probably not got the balls for HD |
| [06:37:39] | fryfrog: | then, when you want to do HD just buy a newer system at that time |
| [06:37:44] | fryfrog: | prices will only go *down* |
| [06:37:52] | fryfrog: | no point paying money for an HD system now that you won't use |
| [06:37:52] | Criggie: | fryfrog: good suggestions all of them. |
| [06:38:01] | leprechau: | http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst . . . 002_68814312 |
| [06:38:09] | leprechau: | can i get something with those connectors in that form factor |
| [06:38:12] | leprechau: | that will handle HD? |
| [06:38:30] | Criggie: | leprechau: "[ ] Boot-Up Test w/CPU and Memory Installed (+$15.00)" |
| [06:38:39] | Criggie: | I like the way they charge extra for that. |
| [06:38:44] | leprechau: | lol yeah |
| [06:38:50] | leprechau: | i wouldn't ever pay for that |
| [06:38:54] | fryfrog: | leprechau: looks like a cute little board, dunno sorry |
| [06:39:04] | Criggie: | it does look nice, but maybe only as a front end |
| [06:39:07] | fryfrog: | but dvi, svideo and component... very nice |
| [06:39:09] | Criggie: | suck it and see :) |
| [06:39:22] | fryfrog: | oh yeah, for sure only as an FE |
| [06:39:28] | leprechau: | well yeah |
| [06:39:32] | leprechau: | it will be FE only |
| [06:39:40] | Criggie: | leprechau: buy me a dozen, and I'll test them for you :) |
| [06:39:44] | leprechau: | backend will be out in the garage with the encoder cards in it |
| [06:40:15] | fryfrog: | holey shit |
| [06:40:19] | fryfrog: | that is retarded expensive |
| [06:40:22] | fryfrog: | for a 1.5ghz cpu |
| [06:40:24] | Criggie: | leprechau: yep – good plan. Thats how I have mine. Dedicated BE, Dedicated FE (p3 800) and the other linux boxes can run as FE if needed. |
| [06:40:36] | fryfrog: | and via's lame graphics? |
| [06:40:40] | Criggie: | fryfrog: clock speed is no longer a good measure of performance |
| [06:40:40] | fryfrog: | yeah, i think it'd hate linux |
| [06:40:41] | leprechau: | yeah 260...i wouldn't buy it from there |
| [06:40:49] | leprechau: | I have seen em cheaper on other sites |
| [06:40:54] | leprechau: | that one just had nice pictures |
| [06:40:55] | fryfrog: | look for something with an nvidia card and core2duo / amd x2 |
| [06:40:55] | Criggie: | fryfrog: you're paying for low wattage on those boxes. |
| [06:41:14] | Criggie: | yep – I wouldn;t get less than a dual core something |
| [06:41:19] | fryfrog: | clock isn't the best measure, but you can be *sure* that via isn't going to do HD with much/any head room if it does it at all |
| [06:41:26] | Criggie: | hey – anyone here ever tried these E1200 dual core celerons ? |
| [06:42:34] | Criggie: | while mythdvd is doing a transcode, can I watch something? |
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| [06:45:12] | fryfrog: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167020 |
| [06:45:22] | fryfrog: | that isn't much more than that *motherboard* you pointed out |
| [06:46:04] | Criggie: | yeah – shame about the CPU though |
| [06:46:31] | ** Criggie is an intel hoe ** | |
| [06:46:40] | fryfrog: | ah, yeah i just noticed it is amd64 |
| [06:46:51] | fryfrog: | not a horrible choice, but c2d is teh "better" now |
| [06:46:58] | Criggie: | true |
| [06:47:54] | fryfrog: | course you can get some slightly bigger ones for *way* cheaper, and probably a bunch with intel chips |
| [06:48:59] | Criggie: | http://www.trademe.co.nz/Computers/Desktops/W . . . 54206237.htm |
| [06:49:03] | leprechau: | that's got alot of really nice outputs |
| [06:49:06] | Criggie: | More than sufficient as a FE/BE for SD |
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| [06:49:24] | Criggie: | I use a 19" LCD as a TV, and a wireless keyboard. |
| [06:49:28] | Criggie: | Works fine. |
| [06:49:33] | Criggie: | its *only* television |
| [06:49:36] | Criggie: | :) |
| [06:49:57] | leprechau: | yeah I can buy those little small factor dells all day long here from a computer recycler |
| [06:50:12] | leprechau: | but no builtin tvout/optical audio |
| [06:50:30] | fryfrog: | so just get a cheap nvidia card with svideo out |
| [06:50:43] | fryfrog: | if you are using rca/svideo, who *really* cares about digital audio? |
| [06:51:05] | leprechau: | I do...who the hell wants stereo audio? |
| [06:52:29] | Criggie: | -grin- |
| [06:52:34] | Criggie: | later all :) |
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| [06:52:41] | leprechau: | lates |
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| [06:59:35] | spstarr: | Question: is there any support for MythTV on the ATI Radeon 7500 (with tv tuner)? |
| [06:59:47] | spstarr: | note, this tuner doesn't use /dev/video0 |
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| [06:59:54] | spstarr: | only Xv unless there's a driver for it? |
| [07:01:26] | cesman: | spstarr: no, one cannot use a all in wonder w/ MythTV |
| [07:02:17] | spstarr: | why not? |
| [07:02:22] | spstarr: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI_All- . . . To_(English) |
| [07:02:29] | spstarr: | or why specifically not the newer card |
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| [07:03:20] | cesman: | why not? |
| [07:03:28] | cesman: | spstarr: ask ATi. |
| [07:03:30] | fryfrog: | spstarr: mostly because the drivers suck and for the most part it just doesn't work |
| [07:03:39] | spstarr: | ATI is now AMD |
| [07:03:45] | fryfrog: | spstarr: but you are welcome to struggle with it if you like, instead of buying something that *does* work |
| [07:03:54] | spstarr: | i have tv working in Linux but with avview app |
| [07:04:04] | spstarr: | since gatos was merged into Xorg years ago |
| [07:04:08] | fryfrog: | ah, yes and when AMD bought ATI it magically made all their drivers and products work great in linux! |
| [07:04:23] | spstarr: | they need to open source the tv tuner part now ;p |
| [07:04:44] | fryfrog: | ATI tv working in linux isn't impossible, i imagine. But if you are going to buy something, you may as well get something that works (easily) |
| [07:04:51] | fryfrog: | like a PVR150 and a cheap nvidia card |
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| [07:08:19] | spstarr: | X finds: |
| [07:08:20] | spstarr: | (II) RADEON(0): I2C device "Radeon multimedia bus:MSP34xx" registered at address 0x80. |
| [07:08:28] | spstarr: | MSP3445G |
| [07:09:38] | leprechau: | http://cgi.ebay.com/Soundblaster-Live-24bit-E . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [07:09:52] | leprechau: | anyone know for a fact how well the external soundblasters work under linux? |
| [07:09:57] | leprechau: | the usb soundblasters? |
| [07:11:08] | spstarr: | fryfrog: wait a second |
| [07:11:13] | spstarr: | doesn't bttv support the MSP3445G? |
| [07:11:32] | spstarr: | Philips FI1236 |
| [07:13:09] | fryfrog: | sorry, fi |
| [07:13:11] | fryfrog: | nfi |
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| [08:10:26] | gbee: | alsa is in real trouble if you take their bug tracker at face value – 3913 open tickets, issues closed by each of the last three releases, 1 |
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| [08:13:32] | fryfrog: | hahah |
| [08:13:42] | fryfrog: | isn't there some new thing trying to replace alsa? |
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| [08:16:51] | gbee: | OSS4 I guess |
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| [08:25:41] | fryfrog: | no, the thing in ubuntu 8.04 |
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| [08:29:50] | cesman: | Pulse Audio? |
| [08:30:29] | cesman: | that is just a sound server |
| [08:30:37] | fryfrog: | oh |
| [08:30:45] | fryfrog: | goes to show what i know! |
| [08:35:15] | gbee: | pulse, jack, arts etc are just servers layered over oss/alsa drivers |
| [08:35:24] | fryfrog: | ahhh, i see |
| [08:36:22] | gbee: | they each have different specialties, e.g. jack allows sound to be routed all over the place (remote machine etc) – it's really designed for use by professional sound engineers |
| [08:37:01] | fryfrog: | what i read about pulse seemed to imply it did that also |
| [08:37:06] | fryfrog: | network sound, that is |
| [08:37:14] | gbee: | maybe I'm confusing the two |
| [08:37:25] | fryfrog: | no, i think jack does that also |
| [08:37:26] | gbee: | "PulseAudio is a sound server for POSIX and Win32 systems. A sound server is basically a proxy for your sound applications. It allows you to do advanced operations on your sound data as it passes between your application and your hardware. Things like transferring the audio to a different machine, changing the sample format or channel count and mixing several sounds into one are easily achieved using a sound server." |
| [08:37:30] | fryfrog: | and has been around longer |
| [08:37:47] | fryfrog: | wow, i didn't know it was on windows |
| [08:38:00] | gbee: | "Have you ever wanted to take the audio output of one piece of software and send it to another? How about taking the output of that same program and send it to two others, then record the result in the first program? If so, JACK may be what you've been looking for.JACK is a low-latency audio server, written for POSIX conformant operating systems such as GNU/Linux and Apple's OS X. It can connect a number of different application |
| [08:38:00] | gbee: | audio between themselves. Its clients can run in their own processes (ie. as normal applications), or can they can run within the JACK server (ie. as a "plugin").JACK was designed from the ground up for professional audio work, and its design focuses on two key areas: synchronous execution of all clients, and low latency operation. More background information is available." |
| [08:38:12] | gbee: | sorry, paste was larger than I thought :) |
| [08:38:23] | fryfrog: | i'll live :) |
| [08:40:20] | gbee: | arts is just what KDE uses, allows them to abstract the underlying sound system – so all KDE stuff sends sound to the arts server and that in turn uses oss/alsa or whatever other interface it can find and understand |
| [08:41:15] | Solv: | thankfully that'll all now become pulseaudio |
| [08:41:41] | gbee: | instead of writing alsa/oss/other support into all KDE applications it's just maintained in one place – well that's the theory |
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| [10:05:47] | famicom: | FUCK I HATE BINARY ONLY DRIVERS |
| [10:06:11] | fryfrog: | better than no drivers :/ |
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| [10:12:42] | directhex: | better than crap drivers! |
| [10:13:25] | famicom: | yeah well |
| [10:13:32] | famicom: | crap binary drivers |
| [10:13:33] | famicom: | ugh |
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| [10:14:42] | justinh: | mornin |
| [10:14:52] | directhex: | famicom, got a radeon? |
| [10:15:04] | famicom: | oh |
| [10:15:05] | famicom: | no |
| [10:15:10] | famicom: | this is totally not GFX related |
| [10:15:11] | justinh: | radeon? sounds like shower gel |
| [10:15:16] | directhex: | oh dear |
| [10:15:18] | directhex: | x-fi? |
| [10:15:34] | famicom: | CA CI |
| [10:16:05] | directhex: | meh? |
| [10:16:52] | famicom: | mooh |
| [10:17:40] | justinh: | I love to just come in here & whine too – it's ace fun |
| [10:18:56] | directhex: | the funny thing about x-fi cards is their drivers for vista are only better than linux in the sense that they come precompiled |
| [10:19:19] | justinh: | oh teh powah! |
| [10:19:30] | famicom: | well |
| [10:19:32] | famicom: | honestly |
| [10:19:40] | famicom: | binary only drivers make me want to shoot epople in the face |
| [10:20:04] | justinh: | awww bless |
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| [10:20:27] | justinh: | you should see somebody about all that rage |
| [10:20:37] | famicom: | yeah |
| [10:20:40] | famicom: | i got p8ills for that |
| [10:20:48] | justinh: | if it comes down to it, I'll take the *working* driver, thankyou very much |
| [10:21:07] | justinh: | beggars cannot in this life be choosers, as they say |
| [10:22:51] | justinh: | the problem with computer gear is that companies invest a lot of money & they don't want their IP to be copied so they guard it very jealously. for right, or for wrong, that's the way of our capitalist world |
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| [10:24:49] | directhex: | because of the firm belief that if anyone knew how their chips worked, then there'd be people cranking out pirate chips to be compatible with their oh-so-precious drivers |
| [10:24:51] | directhex: | or somesuch |
| [10:25:17] | justinh: | yeah like every tom & dick operation has a chip fab in their back yard |
| [10:25:22] | purserj: | I mean, it's not like anyone's reversed engineered a chip is it |
| [10:25:31] | justinh: | actually it's not inconceivable# |
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| [10:25:50] | directhex: | my chip fab burnt down :'( |
| [10:26:00] | directhex: | i reckon it was spies from realtek |
| [10:26:27] | purserj: | bastards! |
| [10:26:36] | Andreaz: | Puuuh... Remade the whole system on different harddisc without any serios data loss.... \o/ |
| [10:26:37] | justinh: | maybe silicon image |
| [10:26:47] | directhex: | i have standards! |
| [10:26:58] | directhex: | realtek i'll rip off, but silicon image i won't touch |
| [10:27:00] | justinh: | Andreaz: ANY data loss would be far from ideal lol |
| [10:27:30] | directhex: | ooh, know who REALLY sucks? jmicron |
| [10:27:30] | Andreaz: | hehehe... it was heartbeating enough.. :) |
| [10:29:11] | Andreaz: | I think i encounter a bug in the latest svn. i got 2 tuner cards and if one of it will record i can only choice stations from this transponder (on the tuner what records). mythtv is not using the alternate (free) card... |
| [10:29:47] | Andreaz: | but away from that the multi-recording from same transponder is really nice... |
| [10:30:48] | justinh: | then again I treat almost all my media as disposable |
| [10:31:21] | justinh: | got it backed up in various places. whether or not I can be bothered to fish a hdd out of the cupboard is always the issue |
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| [10:31:55] | Andreaz: | Backups are like a stressless seat... :) |
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| [10:32:46] | Andreaz: | Now i can totally, finally and brutally damage the defect harddrive.... *throw* |
| [10:32:58] | justinh: | hmm I could get used to this life. sitting in the sun in my garden, resting after pre-breakfast 20 mile ride. |
| [10:33:24] | justinh: | starting to think I could maybe do with wireless though |
| [10:33:52] | Andreaz: | Wireless and Sun are connected together anyhow... |
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| [10:34:42] | Andreaz: | I think all the parks should get a power connection.... |
| [10:35:34] | justinh: | they have in most places. you just have to risk electrocution getting at it |
| [10:36:35] | justinh: | maybe I should put the money I'm saving by not buying junk food every day towards an EEEEEEEEEEE |
| [10:37:22] | gbee: | spider? |
| [10:37:29] | Andreaz: | hrhrhrh.... I must spend in a new bike, yesterday the theft mine... |
| [10:37:35] | Andreaz: | they |
| [10:37:43] | gbee: | stole |
| [10:37:52] | Andreaz: | stole... rofl... right.. :) |
| [10:38:08] | justinh: | just get a crap heavy bike nobody would ever want, like mine :D |
| [10:38:33] | gbee: | Andreaz: your English is a lot better than my German ;) |
| [10:38:42] | Andreaz: | hmm. i think here it isnt really stealing – its more like a ringbuffer |
| [10:38:57] | justinh: | now I've done about 60 miles on it in the last few days I think it could do with a higher gear ratio |
| [10:39:25] | Andreaz: | gbee: thankyou! Sometimes the words are blocked in brain... :) |
| [10:39:47] | Andreaz: | justinh: Thats alot... uff... |
| [10:39:47] | justinh: | buying a new er.. whatever it's called is serious business though – maybe I better hold off incase this thirst for exercise wears off |
| [10:40:05] | justinh: | 10 miles before breakfast today... more later |
| [10:40:41] | Andreaz: | hmm... me not... nothing for biking present. even my car is empty... :) |
| [10:41:02] | Andreaz: | And im not willing to pay those prices... |
| [10:41:13] | justinh: | 60 miles isn't all that much when the going is mostly flat |
| [10:41:56] | Andreaz: | hmm. enough for me to gimme some muscle pain... for sure... |
| [10:42:35] | justinh: | starting to get used to it now. first day I managed 5 miles & was in agony the next day |
| [10:42:49] | Andreaz: | Yesterday i informed the police via online form... Today morning police yelled me outta bed... |
| [10:43:00] | justinh: | that was quick! |
| [10:43:23] | Andreaz: | I think the one visited me was the first loser in the poker round... |
| [10:43:35] | justinh: | for something like a bike theft, in the UK you're given a crime number & that's basically the end of the matter |
| [10:44:15] | Andreaz: | Im sure its the same here. 2 Weeke later i get a message they got no success and its done... |
| [10:44:34] | justinh: | I sometimes wonder where all my tax pounds are going...oh wait. fat local councillors |
| [10:44:39] | Andreaz: | But all the stuff thats away is insured, so.....pfff |
| [10:44:50] | Andreaz: | Kindof that! |
| [10:45:00] | justinh: | insured or not, it's always a big hassle though |
| [10:45:08] | Andreaz: | rofl... i ask myself the same |
| [10:45:40] | Andreaz: | All my dremelstuff and accuscrewstuff and things that go... :( |
| [10:45:49] | gbee: | justinh: normally I'd agree and that's what I expected to happen after the shed was broken into – but as it happens they sent round a forensics guy who managed to find a single print, they arrested a 15 year old and I'm waiting to hear what happens next :) |
| [10:45:51] | Andreaz: | Bikeparts... sniff... |
| [10:45:55] | justinh: | gbee: how's the weather over your way? I thought I'd be missing some of the heat this morning but at 9.15 it was 24 C! |
| [10:46:04] | justinh: | gbee: wow!# |
| [10:46:04] | gbee: | hot |
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| [10:46:34] | Andreaz: | Im at 27 C |
| [10:46:36] | gbee: | I'm only inside to get some temporary shade from the sun |
| [10:46:50] | justinh: | the dog's out in the garden with me, trying to catch bees. he'll only ever get one I reckon |
| [10:46:59] | fryfrog: | hahaha |
| [10:47:02] | fryfrog: | big ones or little ones? |
| [10:47:06] | justinh: | big |
| [10:47:09] | fryfrog: | our dog used to try and get the *big* ones |
| [10:47:15] | Andreaz: | I wonder where the spring goes this year, i only felt winter and suddenly summer |
| [10:47:23] | fryfrog: | i've heard or read that the big bees don't/can't sting |
| [10:47:31] | fryfrog: | i'm not really man enough to test that theory though |
| [10:47:33] | gbee: | just checked the thermometer (which is in the shade) and it's 25C |
| [10:47:51] | fryfrog: | i do know that he has caught a few in his mouth and sustained no damage |
| [10:47:52] | justinh: | I have to deal with the beginnings of a wasp nest in the roof space of the kitchen extension later. NOT looking fwd to that! |
| [10:48:07] | Andreaz: | Uh, pain. If they stick him in his tongue...?? Could be really serios, or? |
| [10:48:10] | fryfrog: | he usually just spits them out like "blech, why did i eat this!" and they are ded |
| [10:48:10] | sid3windr: | "helo fire dept? pls fix" |
| [10:48:16] | gbee: | not hot by the standards of other countries, but pretty warm for a spring day in England – would expect it later in the year |
| [10:48:34] | Andreaz: | Hm, im fine with it – i hate cold and winter... .) |
| [10:48:35] | justinh: | yeah it's unseasonably hot |
| [10:48:57] | Andreaz: | But i wonder, what will come in the real summer? |
| [10:48:58] | jduggan: | its wonderful |
| [10:49:03] | jduggan: | heh |
| [10:49:05] | justinh: | not had any real rain in manchester for over a week now. that must be some kind of record |
| [10:49:06] | jduggan: | rain |
| [10:49:07] | jduggan: | floods |
| [10:49:32] | jduggan: | that cornish village shall suffer again |
| [10:49:34] | jduggan: | ;] |
| [10:49:40] | Andreaz: | Thought it ever rains on the island? :) |
| [10:49:44] | justinh: | er.. what cornish village?;) |
| [10:49:57] | jduggan: | heh |
| [10:50:07] | jduggan: | the one that got flooded in the middle of summer |
| [10:50:11] | jduggan: | ~2years ago? |
| [10:50:28] | justinh: | yeah I wouldn't mind living on the bank of a river, but ffs not at ground level, silly! |
| [10:50:54] | jduggan: | yea |
| [10:51:04] | jduggan: | like fasthosts built a datacenter next to a river |
| [10:51:09] | jduggan: | and got flooded the same summer |
| [10:51:10] | jduggan: | haha |
| [10:51:17] | justinh: | I know the one jduggan – I just meant (you know like after the flood) WHAT village? |
| [10:51:23] | jduggan: | justinh: ah ;) |
| [10:52:18] | justinh: | btw don;t even consider that ITV drama effort called 'flood'. even on 2x it was boring as hell |
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| [10:52:46] | jduggan: | heh |
| [10:53:00] | justinh: | ooo fore I forget I tried out the virgin media iplayer gadget last night. spiffy! |
| [10:53:11] | jduggan: | works well? |
| [10:53:18] | justinh: | amazingly so |
| [10:53:29] | justinh: | pity the rest of VM software doesn't |
| [10:53:33] | jduggan: | nod |
| [10:54:06] | justinh: | looks nice,too |
| [10:54:10] | Andreaz: | Some watching formula1 here? Funny, im german and hold my thumbs for hamilton... |
| [10:54:19] | justinh: | that'sprolly the mostamazing thing about it tbh |
| [10:55:12] | justinh: | not sure about the pink select bar though lol |
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| [11:35:33] | justinh: | hmm the stuff I recorded from interactive looks pretty good :) |
| [11:36:17] | directhex: | justinh, neat! |
| [11:40:22] | justinh: | some decent live music, thanksto the unique way that viewers are taxed :) |
| [11:41:30] | jduggan: | virgin interactive? |
| [11:42:15] | justinh: | nope. freeview# |
| [11:42:38] | justinh: | can't keep virgin media stuff for later |
| [11:47:06] | justinh: | hmmm might have to can that other 10 miles today. too warm :) |
| [11:47:57] | justinh: | might bob out later to buy one of them things you put in the garden to cook food on, then leave to rust over a few months |
| [11:48:13] | pat___: | you pop that on your deck |
| [11:48:16] | pat___: | under the roof |
| [11:48:16] | justinh: | ahh! Barbeque..that's it |
| [11:48:19] | pat___: | overlooking the valley |
| [11:48:23] | justinh: | what deck? what roof? |
| [11:48:33] | justinh: | decking is for puffs |
| [11:48:39] | pat___: | the one you sit on and bbq chops and drink beers on |
| [11:48:49] | justinh: | and a royal waste of good wood IMHO |
| [11:48:58] | pat___: | you'd rather burn it? |
| [11:49:13] | justinh: | paving is cheaper :) |
| [11:49:18] | pat___: | elevated |
| [11:49:26] | pat___: | at the upstairs level :) |
| [11:49:30] | pat___: | to get the view |
| [11:49:39] | pat___: | just one flight to get to the pool |
| [11:49:51] | justinh: | sounds like planning applications are needed. bribing local officialdom & neighbours |
| [11:50:04] | pat___: | was like that when we bought the house |
| [11:50:20] | pat___: | which is a good thing, cause I couldn't be arsed with getting the planning approved either |
| [11:50:37] | justinh: | you forget that over here, your $300,000 doesn't get you a house with space around it |
| [11:51:08] | fryfrog: | a house? with no space around it? for $300,000? I WISH! |
| [11:51:21] | fryfrog: | lemme tell ya, silicon valley *SUCKS* for affordable housing |
| [11:51:25] | justinh: | heh |
| [11:51:27] | fryfrog: | heck, even unaffordable housing :) |
| [11:51:32] | justinh: | well of *course* not, there |
| [11:51:42] | pat___: | AU$360k for our place a couple of years ago |
| [11:51:50] | justinh: | roll on the recession, he says through gritted teeth |
| [11:51:54] | pat___: | views, pool, deck, 4 bedrooms and a study. |
| [11:51:57] | pat___: | you know the stuff |
| [11:52:04] | justinh: | blimey |
| [11:52:12] | justinh: | how many $AUS to the GBP? |
| [11:52:21] | pat___: | lots at last look |
| [11:52:25] | fryfrog: | haha |
| [11:52:59] | Nik_Doof: | 2 $AU to 1GBP |
| [11:53:06] | justinh: | I think I could learn to deal with a few deadly creepy crawlies for housing that affordable |
| [11:53:15] | pat___: | it's gone up |
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| [11:53:21] | pat___: | ours is about $550 now |
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| [11:54:15] | pat___: | anyway, computer parts are cheaper over there aren't they? |
| [11:54:22] | justinh: | are they hell |
| [11:54:39] | pat___: | 500G samsung sata = $98 at the moment |
| [11:54:42] | justinh: | $2 to 1GBP, right? wrong what costs $1 in the US costs 1GBP here |
| [11:55:10] | pat___: | so that's be around 50 GBP? |
| [11:55:17] | Nik_Doof: | so about £49, good price |
| [11:55:56] | justinh: | 1TB is rapidly approaching the magic £100 |
| [11:56:02] | Nik_Doof: | £44 for the cheapest 500gb sammy |
| [11:56:07] | Nik_Doof: | on scan |
| [11:56:09] | pat___: | 1TB = $255 |
| [11:56:16] | justinh: | scan can go to hell |
| [11:56:23] | justinh: | www.scam.co.uk |
| [11:56:41] | justinh: | only ever buy from them under duress |
| [11:56:55] | jduggan: | we have a trade account with scan |
| [11:57:01] | jduggan: | found them to be very reliable |
| [11:57:05] | justinh: | i.e. when I don't want "oh, whenever" delivery times from ebuyer |
| [11:57:09] | pat___: | umart is my local, good pickup system (right near work) http://umart.com.au/ |
| [11:57:12] | Nik_Doof: | i buy from em cause they're only up the road |
| [11:57:15] | jduggan: | we spend ~5k/month with them |
| [11:57:26] | jduggan: | sometimes less, depends ;P |
| [11:57:26] | justinh: | that'd be the diff, jduggan |
| [11:57:41] | justinh: | average customers get treated badly |
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| [11:58:09] | jduggan: | any parts i want i buy through the company from scan to save payin VAT hehe |
| [11:58:19] | jduggan: | i dont have any recent experience of online retailers for comp bits really |
| [11:58:21] | pat___: | at umart you order online, they tell you when it is ready, you go in with your order number and pick it up |
| [11:59:24] | pat___: | anyway, wifey is asking me to start a new age of empires game with her |
| [11:59:37] | pat___: | time to slaughter some more of her units |
| [11:59:40] | pat___: | bye |
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| [12:06:38] | gbee: | I actually bought something from PC World Business, suprised to find them cheaper than other retailers including Scan, Ebuyer and Dabs |
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| [12:07:01] | gbee: | and £40 cheaper than PC World Online |
| [12:07:04] | justinh: | hahaha Rory just went after a squirrel |
| [12:07:40] | justinh: | pays to shop around as ever, gbee ;) |
| [12:08:34] | gbee: | justinh: no kidding :) The TV was £175 cheaper than Argos etc |
| [12:09:35] | justinh: | argghh damn BBC & their MS love |
| [12:09:51] | justinh: | zoomy photo thing on their one big weekend minisite needs silverlight |
| [12:12:48] | directhex: | go-mono.com/moonlight |
| [12:13:53] | directhex: | might not work on things that aren't suse |
| [12:14:30] | justinh: | windows 2000 on this lappy |
| [12:15:00] | justinh: | heh I justassumed it wouldn't work on firefox |
| [12:16:16] | justinh: | and I was right |
| [12:16:25] | justinh: | oh well |
| [12:17:32] | jduggan: | former M$ guy working for bbc internet projects, wot do you expect ;P |
| [12:19:06] | directhex: | well, with only 400 linux users in the uk... |
| [12:20:13] | justinh: | and only 8 who can be arsed to show up at demos lol |
| [12:22:58] | justinh: | maybe we could set up something like seti@home to say hello to the beeb website with a linuxy user agent |
| [12:23:15] | justinh: | bah needs different IPs |
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| [12:30:36] | jduggan: | i have a /20 of unique ips |
| [12:30:49] | jduggan: | couple of k unique ips's |
| [12:32:17] | jduggan: | actually i have an acquaintance with a /19 that hasnt been advertised for about 5years, such a waste of address space |
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| [13:13:00] | pat___: | haha! beat her by 100 points |
| [13:15:39] | anykey_: | Did someone ever see "fork: no such device"? |
| [13:18:50] | gbee: | hmm, if ALSA:Default:1 is my audio device, then what would be the mixer? |
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| [14:38:53] | jduggan: | hmm |
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| [14:43:39] | tcpsyn: | has anyone got mythphone to work with vonage? |
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| [14:56:56] | tcpsyn: | juski's stuff is gone eh? |
| [14:56:57] | tcpsyn: | that sucks |
| [14:57:00] | zippytech_: | whats the best mythtv remote? any one used the x10 mouse remote? |
| [14:59:27] | tcpsyn: | I've never had an issue with my hauppauge remote |
| [15:00:14] | mjj29: | I've just started using a 16:9 TV |
| [15:00:19] | mjj29: | on a VGA input |
| [15:00:37] | mjj29: | but mythtv is still giving me large black bars top and bottom |
| [15:00:45] | mjj29: | and horizontal stretch |
| [15:01:03] | mjj29: | mplayer is fixed with the monitoraspect=16:9 or -aspect=1.77 |
| [15:01:13] | mjj29: | how do I fix it in mythtv? |
| [15:01:19] | mjj29: | resolution is 848x624 |
| [15:01:36] | zippytech_: | only problem i have with the haup remote is that it won't controll anything else |
| [15:01:39] | mjj29: | *832 |
| [15:01:50] | mjj29: | possibly I should be using 720x400? |
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| [15:02:27] | mjj29: | fonts look bad at that setting though |
| [15:06:21] | mjj29: | any ideas anyone? |
| [15:16:54] | mjj29: | (it doesn't work at 720x400 either, and I _do_ have monitor aspect set to 16x9) |
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| [15:24:17] | Hannibal-: | just curious; has there been any progress / movement on playing the netflix on demand stuff in Myth yet? |
| [15:24:48] | GreyFoxx: | Was someone actually working on that? |
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| [15:25:08] | Hannibal-: | don't think so, just saw some old conversations (last year) on the mailing list |
| [15:25:19] | GreyFoxx: | Then there you go :) |
| [15:25:52] | Jinxed-: | Hey there is noone in the ubuntu channel responding... Should I upgrade to 8.04 before starting to get mythtv? |
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| [15:28:18] | _mre|29A: | agad... mythdora 5 > mythbuntu 8 |
| [15:28:38] | _mre|29A: | i got so pissed off at mythbuntu, i had to ditch it guys... but the new mythdora is awesome |
| [15:28:42] | _mre|29A: | :P |
| [15:28:45] | anomic: | hi. i'm setting up mythtv for the first time in a long time. the wiki says i'm supposed to go to utilities/setup -> setup -> media settings -> video settings to set up my video sources |
| [15:28:52] | anomic: | but there is no "media settings" in my setup menu |
| [15:29:05] | anomic: | is this because i'm not running a backend, or could i have screwed up something else? |
| [15:29:40] | _mre|29A: | video sources? like schedules direct? |
| [15:29:55] | _mre|29A: | or like... what your box is capable of supporting |
| [15:30:13] | _mre|29A: | ie: avi, mpg, etc |
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| [15:30:25] | anomic: | no. i need to tell myth where my movie files are |
| [15:30:53] | _mre|29A: | aww... |
| [15:31:23] | _mre|29A: | you're probably overlooking a minor yes/no switch |
| [15:31:37] | anomic: | i suppose. any idea where this would be? |
| [15:32:20] | _mre|29A: | i'd go through all the settings pages... i know it's there |
| [15:32:25] | _mre|29A: | i was just looking at it |
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| [15:32:35] | _mre|29A: | or |
| [15:32:41] | _mre|29A: | try display settings |
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| [15:34:04] | anomic: | _mre|29A: so i'd have to run mythtv-setup, or is it in the regular options menu? |
| [15:35:33] | _mre|29A: | well... what version of myth are you using? |
| [15:35:46] | anomic: | 0.21–0.11etch1 |
| [15:35:49] | _mre|29A: | mythdora has alot more features... and is what i'm used to |
| [15:36:03] | _mre|29A: | you're running is a frontend in debian... |
| [15:36:07] | anomic: | yes |
| [15:36:15] | _mre|29A: | i did that for awhile, didn't work very well for me |
| [15:36:19] | _mre|29A: | on this particular box |
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| [15:36:42] | _mre|29A: | i noticed a slew of issues with it |
| [15:37:08] | _mre|29A: | i've tried alot of the different mythfrontends, and full packages... mythdora 5 is by far the best |
| [15:37:13] | _mre|29A: | it sets most of that stuff up for you |
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| [16:02:16] | justinh: | I find me the best. I set all stuff up for me |
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| [16:10:38] | gbee: | if someone created a myth distro based on mandriva I might consider using it |
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| [17:19:51] | sphery: | Andreaz: if you installed MythTV (and plugins) with a package, you should uninstall the package. |
| [17:20:11] | sphery: | Andreaz: If you installed from source, you'll need to delete the .so file for the plugin. |
| [17:20:25] | sphery: | Chances are the one that's causing problems is mythbrowser.so |
| [17:20:51] | sphery: | (technically, libmythbrowser.so) |
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| [17:26:58] | gbee: | sphery: make uninstall should work |
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| [17:37:42] | sphery: | gbee: good point. |
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| [17:43:46] | ugnius_: | hi, question, I get all blue screen during playback, and app segfaults on exiting viewing video, could not find error log though |
| [17:44:28] | ugnius_: | is there some well known problem this blue screen? |
| [17:45:56] | ugnius_: | can anyone shed any light into this? |
| [17:46:12] | gbee: | sounds like a video driver issue |
| [17:48:18] | ugnius_: | gbee ty, there seems to be no errors in console, when blue screen is shown, sound is ok |
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| [17:49:53] | ugnius_: | gbee: suggest reinstall video drivers or what??? do not know how to troubleshoot if there are no errors :( |
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| [17:53:22] | ugnius_: | "/var/log/mythtv/" dir is empty |
| [17:53:42] | ille_: | ugnius_: which distro do you use? |
| [17:53:53] | ugnius_: | suse 10.3 |
| [17:54:47] | ille_: | ugnius_: what gives: ps -ef | grep mythbackend |
| [17:55:15] | ugnius_: | empty |
| [17:55:48] | ille_: | ugnius_: ok, you need to have a backend running. |
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| [17:56:27] | ugnius_: | ille_: ty, my master backend is on other server, but there should be slave backend??? |
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| [17:57:54] | ille_: | ugnius_: aha, sounds like my problem I have now, on my laptop frontend. |
| [17:58:22] | ille_: | ugnius_: my laptop frontend segfaults when trying to play a recording or live tv from my backend |
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| [17:59:43] | ille_: | ugnius_: if you start mythfrontend in a terminal it should say somthing. -v all gives all verbose info. |
| [18:00:51] | ugnius_: | ille_: ty, my laptop frontend tries to play recording but shows only blue screen (sound is ok), as I mentioned, and segfaults on switching from viewing to none |
| [18:01:33] | ugnius_: | ille_: will try to debug somehow if i get good logs, ty |
| [18:02:50] | ille_: | ugnius_: ok, my frontend segfaults directly.. |
| [18:03:59] | ille_: | ugnius_: you could try change the playback profile. |
| [18:05:45] | sphery: | ugnius_: try the Slim playback profile group |
| [18:06:04] | sphery: | ugnius_: and, which video card? |
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| [18:08:58] | ugnius_: | ty, tried changing playback, themes, screen size, GUI rendering engine and so on, still blue screen |
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| [18:09:42] | ugnius_: | may be I just do not know some setting, my mythtv runs on slim now |
| [18:09:43] | gbee: | definately sounds like a video driver problem, it doesn't like xvideo |
| [18:11:03] | ugnius_: | gbee: how I could test if my xvideo works on other programm may be? try running mplayer or smth |
| [18:11:21] | gbee: | yeah |
| [18:11:33] | gbee: | and run xvinfo |
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| [18:13:41] | ille_: | I think my problem is a audio problem. Recordings play fine in mplayer and totem |
| [18:14:19] | ugnius_: | no vxinfo here, no mplayer,,, kaffeine only |
| [18:15:11] | ille_: | my preview window plays fine :) |
| [18:15:31] | ugnius_: | my preview runs too, but choppy |
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| [18:18:12] | sphery: | ugnius_: what video card? |
| [18:20:23] | ugnius_: | sphery_: |
| [18:20:24] | ugnius_: | 855GM Integrated G |
| [18:20:24] | ugnius_: | raphics Device (rev 02) |
| [18:20:58] | sphery: | Is that an Intel? |
| [18:21:06] | ugnius_: | yes |
| [18:21:07] | sphery: | are you using the intel X driver? |
| [18:21:21] | sphery: | the i810 (or whatever) driver is bad, IIRC |
| [18:22:00] | ugnius_: | did not change driver, it came out of the box will look |
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| [18:22:11] | sphery: | It would be the line 'Driver "intel"' in your xorg.conf (or XF86config) |
| [18:22:34] | justinh: | I thought they were both the same now sphery, to all intents & purposes. or is that old info? |
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| [18:22:42] | sphery: | justinh: might be |
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| [18:23:08] | sphery: | but it definitely sounds like a broken config (i.e. perhaps even using something like svga) |
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| [18:24:00] | ugnius_: | driver intel in xorg.conf |
| [18:24:50] | sphery: | (was thinking vesa--it's not called svga) |
| [18:25:07] | sphery: | and your distro didn't install xvinfo? |
| [18:25:25] | ille_: | here is the output from mythfrontend -v all running in gdb http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11469/ ends with WriteAudio: buffer underrun before seg fault |
| [18:26:32] | sphery: | ille_: need backtraces more like: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
| [18:26:39] | sphery: | thread apply all bt full |
| [18:27:27] | ugnius_: | sphery: there is xvinfo no vxinfo as someone said:)... |
| [18:27:50] | sphery: | run xvinfo (and paste its output to http://pastebin.ca ), please |
| [18:28:05] | ille_: | sphery: need to build mythfrontend myself then. the debug symbols is from ubuntu deb |
| [18:28:31] | sphery: | ille_: it's not the debug symbols I was concerned about. It's the lack of the thread apply all bt full |
| [18:29:13] | sphery: | ille_: I know that you can get the debug symbols with Ubuntu debs. (But I don't know how.) |
| [18:29:16] | ille_: | xdpyinfo and xvinfo gives almost the same output |
| [18:30:02] | thedarkone: | to make lirc work with mythgame emus i have to config .lirc with emu name? |
| [18:30:26] | ille_: | sphery: laga teached me yesterday, I added ddebs.ubuntu.com repository :) |
| [18:30:54] | sphery: | thedarkone: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configur . . . me_Emulation |
| [18:31:38] | sphery: | ille_: cool. With the proper gdb commands, we could have a useful backtrace (and probably fix the bug) |
| [18:32:33] | ille_: | sphery: the command bt or backtrace in gdb? |
| [18:33:21] | sphery: | ille_: yes, as described in the link I gave: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
| [18:33:26] | sphery: | thread apply all bt full |
| [18:33:42] | ugnius_: | sphery: m b i can use some other pastebin.ca is not loading do not know why on my modem connection |
| [18:34:32] | sphery: | any is fine |
| [18:34:45] | sphery: | just didn't want you to paste it here :) |
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| [18:37:17] | ugnius_: | of course, soon it takes ages to run everything on my outdated laptop, sorry |
| [18:38:12] | ille_: | sphery: here it comes http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11474/ |
| [18:38:34] | sphery: | much better :) |
| [18:39:10] | sphery: | d'oh... You're one of the SIGSEGV in ld-linux.so.2 people... |
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| [18:39:21] | sphery: | ille_: what video driver? |
| [18:39:48] | ille_: | sphery: default ATI in ubuntu |
| [18:39:51] | ugnius_: | http://pastebin.com/m7fb1b475 |
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| [18:40:32] | ille_: | sphery: ld-linux people. are we a lot of ones... |
| [18:41:13] | ille_: | sphery: damn ubuntu 8.04, worked like a charm in 7.10 :( |
| [18:43:43] | ugnius_: | nick ugnius_away |
| [18:43:45] | gbee: | has to be a packaging issue or at least something in the hardy environment |
| [18:43:50] | ugnius_: | hmm sorry |
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| [18:44:51] | sphery: | ugnius_: your xvinfo looks OK. Any chance you can grab the output of the following while trying to play a single recording: mythfrontend -v playback -l ~/mythfrontend.log |
| [18:45:00] | sphery: | ugnius_away: ^^^ |
| [18:45:41] | sphery: | ille_: I agree with gbee that there must be some packaging or distro problem with Ubuntu as I can't figure out how we could cause the dynamic linker to segfault. |
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| [18:47:22] | ille_: | sphery: yes, it looks like that, thanks for your help |
| [18:50:11] | sphery: | ille_: good luck. |
| [18:50:17] | ille_: | I upgraded to get a more stable intel 2200bg network driver and now myth wont play at all. hehe |
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| [18:50:39] | sphery: | would be interesting to see that backtrace with a glibc debug build, though. |
| [18:51:26] | ille_: | sphery: well it should be only to apt-get it |
| [18:51:53] | thedarkone: | anyone know were i have to configure lirc to work with dgen |
| [18:51:55] | thedarkone: | ? |
| [18:54:16] | sphery: | ille_: If you are able to get one, it may give more info, which might help track down the problem. Then again, it may not help... (Can't tell until I see the backtrace. :) |
| [18:54:19] | sphery: | thedarkone: sorry, no |
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| [18:54:52] | ille_: | sphery: I'm searching for it, does not really know the exact name of the package |
| [18:55:17] | ugnius_: | sphery: ok I'm up into it, thank you very much for trying to help |
| [18:55:18] | sphery: | I don't know what they've called it. The program is part of GNU libc |
| [18:55:25] | sphery: | sometimes called glibc |
| [18:55:49] | sphery: | ugnius_: no need to thank me (since I haven't actually been any help, yet :) |
| [18:57:00] | ugnius_: | sphery: just for trying, i had less luck with other problems, i'm pretty noob in linux |
| [19:00:24] | sphery: | ille_: Looks like the package for the library is glibc. Don't know if that will help you find the debug package for it. |
| [19:01:04] | ille_: | sphery: a lot of packages with apt-cache search glibc |
| [19:01:25] | sphery: | yeah, that makes sense since pretty much everything in existence depends on it |
| [19:02:11] | sphery: | I don't know apt, so I can't help find a better way to find it. |
| [19:02:24] | ille_: | sphery: apt-cache search glibc | grep dbgsym does not give a result that we look for |
| [19:04:12] | ille_: | sphery: I will try other things, 1. boot live hardy cd, apt-get install mythfrontend and test, 2. boot live 7.10 cd and do the same test |
| [19:04:37] | sphery: | as long as they both install the same version (and revision) of Myth, that should work fine. |
| [19:04:56] | sphery: | (the testing should work--whether Myth does, I can't tell you :) |
| [19:06:45] | ugnius_: | sphery: http://pastebin.com/m3bb761cb long though |
| [19:06:57] | sphery: | ille_: does this help? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/glibc ; says: libc6-dbg (amd64) (i386) ... |
| [19:07:40] | ille_: | sphery: thats it! |
| [19:08:59] | sphery: | ille_: even a blind pig finds a truffle every once in a while (I'm the blind pig--I know nothing of Ubuntu or it's packaging system) |
| [19:09:27] | sphery: | ugnius_: you're on MacOS? |
| [19:09:57] | ugnius_: | sphery: noooo, OpenSUSE 10.3 |
| [19:11:01] | ille_: | sphery: which distro do you prefer? |
| [19:11:22] | jamesd__: | sphery, since the truffles are buried, the blind pig has a much better success rate that you... he is able to spell the truffles. |
| [19:11:48] | sphery: | jamesd__: yeah, the saying doesn't really make a lot of sense, but I just live in this world... |
| [19:12:20] | sphery: | ille_: I'm not a good person to ask that question. I do something I wouldn't recommend to anyone else (as it's a complete waste of time). |
| [19:15:00] | AudioV: | i didn't know pigs had to be able to spell regardless of their vision problems ;) |
| [19:15:48] | sphery: | lol |
| [19:15:55] | ille_: | sphery: this looks kind of diffrent then before: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11479/ |
| [19:16:42] | sphery: | ugnius_: couple of problems. Let's start with the easiest. Your Audio Output Device is specified as an ALSA device, but your Mixer Device is set to /dev/mixer. You need to change the Mixer Device to "default" (no quotes). |
| [19:18:32] | sphery: | ugnius_: You also have the OpenGL vsync enabled, but you're not using an NVIDIA video card, so it's failing to find /dev/nvidia0 . I think we need to disable, "Enable OpenGL vertical sync for timing" |
| [19:19:13] | sphery: | ille_: That's a good backtrace and may actually be related to some changes that were made in Myth recently. |
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| [19:19:44] | ille_: | sphery: :) |
| [19:20:56] | ugnius_: | sphery: ty doing that |
| [19:23:42] | ugnius_: | Enable OpenGL vertical sync is not on (in settings/ General Playback 1) hmmm.... |
| [19:25:51] | sphery: | ille_: Unfortunately, I'm not the best person to figure out what's up with that backtrace, but I sent a message to the guy who is. You may want to post a message to the -dev list with the backtrace (or a link to it). Might also want to reference dlcose() changes in the subject. Daniel K. will probably be able to help. |
| [19:26:12] | sphery: | ille_: If so, a lot of Ubuntu users will probably be very happy for the time you spent helping. Thanks. |
| [19:26:26] | sphery: | ugnius_: OK. Let me check the code. |
| [19:27:02] | ille_: | sphery: thank you also |
| [19:27:46] | sphery: | You did the hard work, not me. |
| [19:28:44] | sphery: | ugnius_: you said you have an intel video card, right? If so, try enabling OpenGL video sync. |
| [19:28:53] | ille_: | sphery: well its my daywork also... so it was not to hard.. |
| [19:29:09] | ugnius_: | sphery: changed mixer to ALSA default, yes it's intel |
| [19:29:13] | ugnius_: | ok |
| [19:29:21] | sphery: | cool. Nice to have someone willing and able to get a good bt |
| [19:31:40] | ille_: | sphery: I'm a dev on solaris so debugging on linux is new to me. |
| [19:31:56] | sphery: | Hmmm. I think I should take this call from my Mom on Mother's Day. Back later. |
| [19:32:26] | ugnius_: | sphery: enabled vsync, no change, blue screen still :( |
| [19:32:29] | sphery: | ugnius_: I haven't yet figured out why it's not using the Xv renderer. It's pointing to a problem with your video driver installation. Might want to try re-installing. |
| [19:33:31] | ille_: | mothers day is in two weeks here in sweden |
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| [19:37:17] | ugnius_: | sphery: intel driver?? |
| [19:37:41] | ugnius_: | or myth? or both |
| [19:38:05] | ugnius_: | sorry for a stupid question |
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| [19:42:10] | sphery: | ugnius_: intel driver |
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| [19:42:44] | Metox: | Hi. Please indicate How do I install drivers for a Leadtek 2000XP card |
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| [19:43:14] | ugnius_: | ok will do some time later, got to go, thanks all, bye |
| [19:43:14] | JohnMahowald: | Metox: Have you asked the support of your distro? |
| [19:43:34] | sphery: | ugnius_: good luck |
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| [19:43:46] | Metox: | would that be the starting point then |
| [19:43:57] | Metox: | thanks |
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| [19:53:17] | marl: | hi folks, i found a script that created links to the myth mpg files, but with the program names instead of the codes, anyone know where i can get it again? |
| [19:53:32] | marl: | i lost it after a reformat :( |
| [19:54:37] | ille_: | did you use mythtvrename? |
| [19:55:40] | ille_: | if the database is correct there is a undo, mythrename.pl --format "%c_%Y%m%d%H%i%s" |
| [19:56:57] | marl: | dont think so, the one i had found created symlinks to the original files, rather than renaming them |
| [20:01:22] | GreyFoxx: | mark: mythrename.pl(included in the myth source) will rename or make symlinks |
| [20:01:28] | GreyFoxx: | you can tell it which you want |
| [20:02:03] | sphery: | and you really should just do the --link one (don't rename) |
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| [20:11:39] | Metox: | If MythTV does not see the card, but the OS does, canit be a driver issue? |
| [20:13:31] | kormoc: | yes |
| [20:13:57] | ille_: | Metox: I don't think myth auto selects a card, you have to manually select its type. |
| [20:14:45] | Metox: | There is some config file /etc/something – is that it? |
| [20:14:54] | Metox: | or from the GUI? |
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| [20:15:17] | quink: | hello |
| [20:15:42] | quink: | Is it possible to have a mythtv system go into sleep mode and be woken up via a remote control? |
| [20:16:37] | ille_: | Metox: in mythtv-setup under 2. Tv card you select it's type |
| [20:17:40] | Metox: | Thank you – let me follow this |
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| [20:19:37] | orificium_lmce: | Anyone using SchedulesDirect here? What if none of the channel lineups match the channel #s when I do a scan in mythtv? Does that matter? |
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| [20:19:56] | kormoc: | orificium_lmce, why are you scanning if you are using SD? |
| [20:20:14] | JohnMahowald: | orificium_lmce: If none match there's no point in using those listings is there? |
| [20:20:20] | marl: | thanks greyfoxx |
| [20:22:17] | Metox: | I noticed that probed info shows : BT878 video (Winfast 20 bttv). |
| [20:22:19] | orificium_lmce: | JohnMahowald: The channel #s do not match up. My question is, can I reassign them? I really just need the 14-day out programming for scheduling. |
| [20:23:12] | orificium_lmce: | I'm using QAM256 signalling from Comcast here in Northeast Philadelphia. |
| [20:23:25] | ille_: | Metox: should be ok then |
| [20:23:26] | orificium_lmce: | But it's not going through their converter boxes and the channels are not the same. |
| [20:23:38] | orificium_lmce: | direct into my pcHDTV-5500 card. |
| [20:23:45] | JohnMahowald: | Ask SD people what listing you should use |
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| [20:24:06] | orificium_lmce: | alot of sub-channels too. like 79.1, 79.2, 79.3...etc |
| [20:24:13] | quink: | Any of you have a suggestion for the lowest power usage system that can handle playback of most videos and some HD stuff? |
| [20:24:20] | orificium_lmce: | I do get callsigns on a channel scan though. |
| [20:24:49] | orificium_lmce: | quink: msi media live |
| [20:25:12] | Metox: | thanks ille. Now I can get to the application part. Got some reading to do ! Cheers. |
| [20:25:16] | quink: | been thinking about how i use my computers and all that...seems silly to have my mythtv box on 24/7 when it doesn't record anymore but i use it just to watch tv |
| [20:26:14] | quink: | orificium_lmce: thats a cool system |
| [20:26:57] | quink: | But it seems like it'd be very power hungry still. |
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| [20:31:36] | orificium_lmce: | quink: I think some of the Hiper Media systems are pretty small. |
| [20:31:48] | orificium_lmce: | really nice looking too. |
| [20:32:31] | quink: | i wish something like this would have a video card capable of HD stuff: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121333 |
| [20:33:00] | quink: | Or if i could get standby/hibernate working in which it woke up with the remote, i'd be happy |
| [20:36:12] | orificium_lmce: | quink: Well, anything low power consumption would probably have integrated video. Ie. 6150, 7050, 7150...etc I believe they all will do 720P fine with a nice CPU. |
| [20:37:00] | quink: | yeah. |
| [20:37:10] | quink: | well right now i have a asus mobo with 6150 built in |
| [20:37:17] | quink: | it handles HD okay. But the limit is the CPU |
| [20:37:24] | quink: | it studders the audio on some hd i have. |
| [20:37:35] | orificium_lmce: | You using XVMC? |
| [20:37:43] | quink: | don't remember |
| [20:37:50] | quink: | let me see |
| [20:38:00] | quink: | the processor is a s939 3000+ and thats a bit slow for HD |
| [20:38:09] | quink: | no. no xvmc |
| [20:38:20] | orificium_lmce: | Might help with the HD |
| [20:38:51] | quink: | yeah. |
| [20:39:00] | quink: | Well recently we got att Uverse for tv here. So i can't record with mythtv. |
| [20:39:10] | quink: | Well i could but the hassle would be a bit much for me. |
| [20:39:18] | orificium_lmce: | OH, you're not recording. |
| [20:39:19] | quink: | So i'm just downloading shows and ripping movies |
| [20:39:21] | quink: | yeah. |
| [20:39:33] | quink: | So i was thinking of replacing my setup with something just to rip and watch. |
| [20:39:42] | quink: | and move the web/file server to a very modest system. |
| [20:40:02] | orificium_lmce: | You probably don't need mythtv at all. |
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| [20:40:13] | quink: | true. but the interface is nicer then other solutions i've seen |
| [20:40:18] | orificium_lmce: | I've been using LinuxMCE and now I'm trying to play with schedulesdirect in mythtv. |
| [20:40:28] | quink: | and my family knows it...hard to teach them new tricks |
| [20:41:15] | quink: | I was thinking smaller HTPC that uses as little power as possible to do video stuff and a via epia(as low power as i can get) to do my file/web server stuff. |
| [20:41:25] | orificium_lmce: | LinuxMCE is a nice distro that lets you use harddiskless setups that all pull streams from a Core. |
| [20:41:33] | quink: | just have one system. |
| [20:41:39] | quink: | http://www.silentpcreview.com/article756-page6.html |
| [20:41:43] | quink: | thats a neat system. |
| [20:42:18] | orificium_lmce: | I've been checking out this new Asus card that came out recently with integrated 8xxx video |
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| [20:42:31] | orificium_lmce: | I was hoping it might perform better on the HD video. |
| [20:42:38] | quink: | I also figured out if i can cut the power usage in half i'm saving $100 a year. |
| [20:42:53] | quink: | Plus i can consolidate another system and drop out a lot more power usage. |
| [20:43:14] | orificium_lmce: | You should go with a Brisbane 45W processor |
| [20:43:18] | quink: | yup |
| [20:43:27] | quink: | But i still wish i could force an ultra low power state |
| [20:43:38] | quink: | and wake it up with the remote |
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| [20:43:55] | orificium_lmce: | I hear suspend is never reliable in linux (and not even wwindows) |
| [20:44:05] | quink: | well standby is fine |
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| [20:44:07] | quink: | its like 5w |
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| [20:47:23] | orificium_lmce: | quint: I honestly don't know if that Celeron processor would handle HD. |
| [20:47:44] | quink: | orificium_lmce: nah i'm not going that route |
| [20:47:58] | quink: | via epia for web/file server, and something else for myth |
| [20:48:47] | orificium_lmce: | most people seem to be going dual-core since the drivers don't support the 2d accelleration like they do in windows. |
| [20:49:03] | quink: | Yeah. agreed. |
| [20:49:06] | orificium_lmce: | Hopefully that'll change soon with all the ATI/AMD specs coming out. |
| [20:49:09] | quink: | I admit my goals might be silly or dump or whatever. |
| [20:49:19] | quink: | I just think for a system that is purely around to play video i'd like lower power |
| [20:49:36] | orificium_lmce: | ? |
| [20:49:43] | orificium_lmce: | sorry, ignore that :) |
| [20:50:27] | Aval0n: | man |
| [20:50:41] | Aval0n: | my HDTV stuff is flaky |
| [20:50:55] | Aval0n: | it bombs back to fe a lot saying video can't be displayed |
| [20:51:00] | Aval0n: | and I have to go back in |
| [20:51:03] | Aval0n: | yarrrr |
| [20:51:04] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [21:05:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | humm... browsed my mythweb with my cell phone earlier today, and now my 'regular' mythweb shows up in WAP mode... kormoc or xris around? |
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| [21:14:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... humm... found a workaround via google ... add "/?RESET_TMPL=true" to the end of the url in the regular web browser... seems to work... |
| [21:14:18] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, there's a string to pass (it's covered in the readme) that will reset it |
| [21:14:21] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [21:14:44] | kormoc: | that said, it shouldn't be doing that, it means I broke detection :P |
| [21:14:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: hehe... ;-) |
| [21:15:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Well, it automatically detected the cell phone, but not the pc... ;-) (linux firefox) |
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| [21:19:46] | quink: | any of you use a hiper media system? |
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| [21:22:14] | kormoc: | hyper media? so fast the video finishes playing before the light reaches your eyes? |
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| [21:37:44] | sphery: | ille: Daniel looked at your backtrace. I didn't look far enough through it to notice that it's not Myth causing the issue--it's libGL.so (i.e. probably due to video drivers and/or X problems). |
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| [21:39:26] | sphery: | ille: Anyway, probably needs to go back to the Ubuntu packagers. |
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| [21:41:13] | FN2: | afternoon all |
| [21:42:44] | FN2: | if i have my music on my raid box, and my mythbackend is another box, is nfs mounting the best way to go about getting it into myth, if so, what permissions/ownership do i need on the files? |
| [21:44:17] | sphery: | FN2: Yes. Any permissions that allow the user running mythfrontend to access directories and read files. |
| [21:46:08] | sphery: | So, if you're running mythfrontend as mythtv (UID 501/GID 501), ideally make sure the files are created on the raid box with UID/GID 501 and 664 permissions. |
| [21:46:29] | sphery: | BTW, I'm making up the user/group ID's. Use whatever your frontend box(es) use. |
| [21:46:44] | FN2: | that seems in order |
| [21:46:59] | FN2: | on my raid, |
| [21:47:05] | FN2: | ive created mythtv user |
| [21:47:14] | FN2: | and assigned him to the users group also |
| [21:47:27] | FN2: | so my files currently are 666 mythtv users |
| [21:48:02] | sphery: | 666 would work. 664 is probably better, though (unless you need to give write access to everyone) |
| [21:48:23] | FN2: | ok |
| [21:48:29] | sphery: | the hard part, though, is that NFS uses UID/GID (not username/group name) to determine membership |
| [21:48:32] | FN2: | im getting an error though, |
| [21:48:58] | sphery: | so, you could have a user "bob" on the RAID machine and a user "mythtv" on the frontend that are treated as the same user in NFS |
| [21:49:00] | FN2: | about it not finding anything.. if thats ok with you its ok with me it says |
| [21:49:11] | FN2: | i see |
| [21:50:03] | FN2: | it doesnt seem to want to add any music when i do a scan |
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| [21:50:51] | clever: | sphery: i was using uid maping on my user mode nfs server |
| [21:50:52] | clever: | so i could tell it(server side) that 123 is 456 |
| [21:50:55] | clever: | but the kernel mode doesnt handle that(and i cant nfsroot off usermode) |
| [21:51:00] | sphery: | FN2: that might be something to do with the directory/filename structure. I don't know MythMusic, so I can't help much. |
| [21:51:02] | FN2: | is there a way to delete any mythmusic stuff from the database... im wondering if i may hae added stuff and before and now its wacky |
| [21:51:05] | clever: | so ive sync'ed the uid's of all my frontends |
| [21:51:43] | sphery: | clever: Cool. Didn't know you could do that. I also find it easiest to sync UID's on all systems. |
| [21:52:14] | clever: | syncing the uid's also helps if a ext2/3 drive gets shuffled between boxes |
| [21:52:37] | sphery: | yeah |
| [21:56:51] | FN2: | so about the dir structure? is there some standard that mythmusic expects? |
| [21:57:23] | clever: | ive found a chunk of my songs under a artist called mainlv |
| [21:57:31] | clever: | which is one of the directorys in the path to my music |
| [21:57:46] | clever: | something is making bad assumptions |
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| [22:02:46] | FN2: | know of any other applications for audio, with maybe a web frontend? |
| [22:03:07] | clever: | mythweb can do some stuff with the data mythmusic keeps |
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| [22:03:58] | thedarkone: | is there a way to use a wired usb xbox360 controller in linux? |
| [22:04:11] | MaxeyPad2: | can one of you recommend a good 802.11n PCI or USB wifi adapter for usre with mythtv? |
| [22:04:32] | FN2: | clever: it doesnt want to scan in any of my music |
| [22:04:52] | clever: | you need to set the directory in the settings |
| [22:05:25] | FN2: | i did |
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| [22:09:15] | clever: | and it cant just say NO when you tell it to scan:P |
| [22:09:22] | clever: | most things give an error |
| [22:09:28] | FN2: | it trys to scan.. |
| [22:09:31] | FN2: | then says |
| [22:09:42] | FN2: | i didnt find anything thats ok with me if its ok with you |
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| [22:19:37] | FN2: | what port does mysql run on/. |
| [22:22:53] | clever: | FN2: grep mysql /etc/services |
| [22:23:21] | FN2: | excellent thank you |
| [22:25:30] | FN2: | clever: this is the error i get when scanning for my music |
| [22:25:37] | FN2: | MythMusic hasn't found any tracks! That's ok with me if it's ok with you. |
| [22:26:48] | FN2: | and this gets repeated a few times: DB Error (music delete artwork): |
| [22:26:48] | FN2: | Query was: |
| [22:26:48] | FN2: | DELETE FROM music_albumart WHERE filename= 'folder.jpg' AND directory_id= 0; |
| [22:26:48] | FN2: | No error type from QSqlError? Strange... |
| [22:26:57] | FN2: | any idea? |
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| [22:37:51] | rwalker: | Playing with a new AMD 780g board and HD video is choppy even after tunning xorg.conf. Anyone got this running smoothly? |
| [22:38:05] | rwalker: | err tuning xorg.conf |
| [22:41:43] | MaxeyPad2: | what proc rwalker |
| [22:41:53] | rwalker: | 4850e |
| [22:42:08] | rwalker: | I think it runs at 2.5ghz |
| [22:42:16] | rwalker: | dual core |
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| [22:50:12] | clever: | FN2: can your mythtv user access the music files? |
| [22:51:15] | FN2: | yes |
| [22:51:22] | FN2: | as far as i can tell |
| [22:51:22] | clever: | im out of ideas |
| [22:51:25] | FN2: | its on my raid |
| [22:51:29] | FN2: | user is mythtv |
| [22:51:31] | FN2: | 501 |
| [22:52:06] | FN2: | is there a way to drop all the mythmusic stuff from the database.. and start clean.. if you will? |
| [22:52:19] | clever: | mysql -u root -p |
| [22:52:30] | clever: | show tables; |
| [22:52:45] | clever: | then for each of the music related ones, truncate TABLENAME; |
| [22:53:00] | clever: | that will either clean the mythmusic stuff out or make it worse:P |
| [22:53:07] | clever: | (backup ahead of time if you want) |
| [22:54:37] | FN2: | whats the best way to back it up? |
| [22:55:02] | clever: | man mysqldump |
| [22:55:15] | clever: | mysqldump --help|less |
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| [22:57:30] | FN2: | ok got it backing up |
| [22:57:58] | FN2: | is there a way to do like a truncate music_* to get all the music tables? |
| [22:58:15] | clever: | dont think so |
| [23:00:54] | FN2: | truncate music_albumart; |
| [23:00:58] | FN2: | didnt seem to work? |
| [23:01:50] | clever: | as i said before |
| [23:01:56] | clever: | it would give an error if it failed |
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| [23:02:24] | FN2: | it says Query OK, 0 rows affected |
| [23:02:38] | clever: | then there was nothing in that table to delete |
| [23:03:13] | FN2: | what about getting rid of that table completely.. when i rerun mythmusic will it recreate them? |
| [23:03:22] | clever: | not shure |
| [23:03:35] | clever: | but you could undo that with the backup |
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| [23:03:39] | clever: | drop TABLENAME; |
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| [23:05:00] | FN2: | that gives an error in my sql syntax |
| [23:05:07] | clever: | might be |
| [23:05:12] | clever: | drop table TABLENAME; |
| [23:05:41] | FN2: | that worked :) |
| [23:05:51] | FN2: | now for the other ones.. then we'll see what happens |
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| [23:12:36] | FN2: | clever: for future refrence it doesnt like taht |
| [23:12:58] | clever: | ah |
| [23:13:39] | FN2: | clever: what sort of file structure is your music stored in? |
| [23:13:59] | clever: | a large chunk in /media/mainlv/music/unsorted |
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| [23:14:21] | FN2: | hmm |
| [23:14:22] | clever: | then more in /media/mainlv/music/sorted (with the picard program helping to sort the structure) |
| [23:14:32] | FN2: | picard? |
| [23:14:35] | clever: | then soundtracks from anime in /media/mainlv/music/anime |
| [23:14:53] | FN2: | grr... mine is somehat the same.. |
| [23:14:55] | clever: | #musicbrainz |
| [23:15:09] | FN2: | /mnt/raid/media/music/A |
| [23:15:11] | clever: | picard uses that software to fingerprint all the sings and lookup the actual tag info |
| [23:15:22] | FN2: | /mnt/raid/media/music/0–9 |
| [23:15:23] | FN2: | etc |
| [23:15:32] | FN2: | that sounds cool |
| [23:15:48] | FN2: | they have a web page somewhere, or just the channel? |
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| [23:15:57] | clever: | 11 20:14:50 -!- Topic for #musicbrainz: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/CleanupOfTheMonth check it out! | http://musicbrainz.pastebin.com | Picard 0.9.0 |
| [23:16:00] | clever: | ... |
| [23:16:44] | FN2: | cool |
| [23:17:03] | FN2: | found the instructions how to restore the db.. but cant figure out how to drop it completely? |
| [23:17:25] | clever: | yes you could drop everything |
| [23:17:31] | clever: | but then you loose everything:P |
| [23:17:36] | FN2: | i have it backuped... |
| [23:17:38] | clever: | (tuner/channel setup) |
| [23:17:47] | clever: | drop database mythconverg; |
| [23:17:51] | FN2: | dont i have to del / drop the complete database, to restore it |
| [23:18:03] | FN2: | ahh.. was forgetting the 'database' part |
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| [23:20:16] | FN2: | clever: just curious is your music on the local machine? |
| [23:20:46] | clever: | its all on the master |
| [23:21:06] | clever: | under the same nfsmount as the mythfrontend binarys(so it MUST be nfs mounted for the frontend to even work) |
| [23:21:07] | FN2: | ok |
| [23:21:36] | FN2: | thats a "clever" idea |
| [23:21:48] | clever: | ./configure --prefix=/media/mainlv/root/7.10/ |
| [23:21:56] | clever: | (7.10 being the ubuntu release) |
| [23:22:07] | clever: | recordings under /media/mainlv/mythtv |
| [23:22:25] | clever: | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| [23:22:25] | clever: | /dev/mapper/mainvg-mainlv |
| [23:22:25] | clever: | 389G 380G 9.6G 98% /media/mainlv |
| [23:22:51] | FN2: | /dev/sdb1 8.8T 1.6T 7.3T 18% /media/disk |
| [23:22:52] | FN2: | :) |
| [23:23:07] | clever: | mail me half:P |
| [23:23:13] | clever: | you dont need all of it! |
| [23:23:33] | FN2: | i think my raid would fail if i did that |
| [23:23:40] | clever: | lol |
| [23:23:52] | clever: | ive got bearly half a tb between all my systems |
| [23:23:53] | FN2: | besides i havent finished ripin my dvds |
| [23:24:01] | clever: | ah |
| [23:24:06] | clever: | trying to rip every dvd in the house? |
| [23:24:10] | FN2: | 500+ |
| [23:24:11] | FN2: | yup |
| [23:24:31] | clever: | sounds fun |
| [23:24:45] | FN2: | good thing i have a lot of down time at work ;) |
| [23:25:30] | FN2: | i do have like 20+ hdds now that had all sorts of stuff on them, that i will have to dispose of.. now that my raid is up and going |
| [23:26:46] | clever: | im using lvm |
| [23:26:50] | clever: | i find it more flexible |
| [23:27:03] | clever: | for example its trivial to shrink it by 3tb |
| [23:27:09] | clever: | and rip 3tb worth of drives out |
| [23:27:23] | clever: | if the hardware can hotswap you could even do it without a shutdown or umount |
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| [23:30:04] | sid3windr: | what fs do you use that can shrink easily? :) |
| [23:30:28] | clever: | ext2/3 can resize (even online with the right kern module) |
| [23:30:52] | clever: | fat and ntfs can resize offline |
| [23:31:18] | clever: | jfx or xfs(one of them) is grow only(never shrink) |
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| [23:31:54] | sid3windr: | ext3 can shrink online too? |
| [23:31:54] | sid3windr: | nice |
| [23:32:03] | sid3windr: | xfs grows for me in a few seconds but indeed grow only |
| [23:32:19] | directhex: | i think jfs is grow-only too |
| [23:32:20] | clever: | ext2/3 take ages to grow or shrink |
| [23:32:30] | clever: | and force you to fsck ahead of time(which also takes ages) |
| [23:32:33] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [23:32:43] | clever: | but online resizing is less of a pain |
| [23:32:50] | clever: | since i dont have to shut myth off to do it |
| [23:32:57] | clever: | just havent gotten it enabled |
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| [23:32:59] | sid3windr: | I grew ext3 from 500G -> 1TB and then from 1TB to 1.5TB or so, but offline |
| [23:33:02] | sid3windr: | took an entire day ;/ |
| [23:33:22] | clever: | which means 24 hours of recordings you lost:P |
| [23:33:47] | clever: | if your going to more then double |
| [23:33:55] | clever: | it may be faster to just make a 2nd volume |
| [23:33:58] | clever: | and copy over |
| [23:33:58] | dustybin: | is this good news for via frontends: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjQ2Nw ? |
| [23:34:06] | clever: | lvm makes it simple |
| [23:34:09] | FN2: | so for nfs, how do i set up the owner and user correctly... |
| [23:34:13] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [23:34:16] | FN2: | on my raid box i have mythtv |
| [23:34:23] | sid3windr: | I didn't run mythtv back then ;) |
| [23:34:33] | FN2: | but it shows 501 when i mount it on my backend |
| [23:34:37] | clever: | FN2: when you call the adduser(or is it useradd) you can tell it what uid to make mythtv |
| [23:34:45] | clever: | or you can change it afterwards |
| [23:34:51] | FN2: | if i create a dir from my backend.. it shows at mythtv |
| [23:35:00] | clever: | run stat on the folder |
| [23:35:03] | clever: | youll see the uid |
| [23:35:17] | clever: | and the name of that ui(acording to the local /etc/passwd) |
| [23:35:32] | dustybin: | FN2: would you mind not talking about your backend |
| [23:35:42] | FN2: | uid 501/unknown) gid (501/unknown) |
| [23:35:57] | FN2: | at least its not dusty |
| [23:36:13] | dustybin: | :-0 |
| [23:37:22] | dustybin: | clever: what 'clever' stuff have you done this weekend? |
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| [23:37:46] | clever: | mplayer -cache 190000 |
| [23:37:49] | clever: | 190mb cache! |
| [23:37:59] | clever: | and 70% of my files are 170mb :P |
| [23:38:04] | rsc-232: | any MythTV Guru here? i would like someone to SSH into my Backend and configure MythTV To use SVideo in on my tuner |
| [23:38:17] | FN2: | lol |
| [23:38:21] | clever: | so it pulls the entire file into ram(and swap) in 30 seconds |
| [23:38:34] | clever: | which helps with the wifi |
| [23:38:35] | dustybin: | clever: very 'clever' mr bond, but not quite 'clever' enough.. |
| [23:38:45] | rsc-232: | so can anyone do this? |
| [23:39:26] | dustybin: | rsc-232: ill do it and ill install a few extras too for free, *cough rootkit* |
| [23:40:18] | rsc-232: | ok LOL |
| [23:40:37] | dustybin: | rsc-232: to get S-Video working, look for some /etc/X11/xorg samples |
| [23:40:57] | dustybin: | .conf |
| [23:41:28] | dustybin: | rsc-232: actually i think i have my old xorg.conf |
| [23:41:33] | dustybin: | hold on |
| [23:42:01] | rsc-232: | no\ |
| [23:42:08] | rsc-232: | noooo not SVideo-OUT |
| [23:42:13] | rsc-232: | SVideo IN on the TV Tuner |
| [23:44:21] | robthebob (robthebob!n=rn114@78-32-214-33.no-dns-yet.enta.net) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) | |
| [23:46:57] | dustybin: | rsc-232: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2575 |
| [23:47:22] | rsc-232: | dustybin: did you see what i said.. i dont mean SVideo Out on the Graphics Card |
| [23:47:29] | rsc-232: | i ment the SVideo In on the TV Tuner |
| [23:47:39] | dustybin: | ohh |
| [23:47:50] | dustybin: | i dunno |
| [23:48:30] | FN2: | what is the most verbose level ie mythfrontend -v ? |
| [23:48:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | rsc-232: What is your tuner card? |
| [23:49:09] | GreyFoxx: | fn2: -v all |
| [23:49:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | FN2: but you probably want -v most — does all but DB updates/inquries iirc... |
| [23:50:23] | jams: | hey GreyFoxx, looking for a new motherboard. Would you recommend that asus you recently purchased? |
| [23:50:25] | rsc-232: | J-e-f-f-A: Avermedia M150 |
| [23:50:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | rsc-232: does the s-video show up in mythtv-setup? |
| [23:51:13] | GreyFoxx: | jams: Turns out there is a problem with the DVI output on my board. It's a known flaw on the board that it can't handle cables longer than 3m |
| [23:51:15] | rsc-232: | im not sure |
| [23:51:22] | dustybin: | ive compiled mythtv without any opengl, but i still get the blank main menu effect, the background image is there with no menu text, i can blindly move around with my remote but there is no menu text, i havent a clue what is causing it |
| [23:51:23] | GreyFoxx: | so I'm likely gonna end up returning for a different board |
| [23:51:24] | rsc-232: | the card is detected as a Asus Something |
| [23:51:29] | GreyFoxx: | otherwise it's perfectly fine |
| [23:51:51] | jams: | ick |
| [23:52:13] | jams: | got any other suggestions? |
| [23:52:26] | GreyFoxx: | jams: yeah, there is a hack with a resistor to fix it, but since it's brand new I'll just return for another board |
| [23:53:20] | rsc-232: | J-e-f-f-A: any ideas? |
| [23:54:06] | rsc-232: | MythTV Setup sees it as a ASUS PVR-416 |
| [23:54:42] | FN2: | anyone have idea.. why mythmusic.. doesnt find my music? it setup for the right directory |
| [23:54:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | rsc-232: Go into mythtv-setup — 'input connections' – do you see an S-Video input for your tuner? |
| [23:56:46] | rsc-232: | holdon |
| [23:58:46] | rsc-232: | im reinstalling mythtv |
| [23:58:52] | rsc-232: | i fuked it up trying to get this working |
| [23:59:10] | FN2: | 2008-05–11 18:57:55.003 MythMusic hasn't found any tracks! That's ok with me if it's ok with you. |
| [23:59:29] | FN2: | kind of a sucky error message |
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