| Saturday, May 10th, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:10] | justinh: | I battled all night once to make digital & analogue audio work at the same time, every boot on my old frontend with ubuntu |
| [00:00:11] | gbee: | forget butchering goats, if an Alsa dev crossed my path .... |
| [00:00:32] | Dagmar: | Just as long as you don't use the ones that write documentation. |
| [00:00:42] | Dagmar: | Pretty long odds, I know, but it's worth checking on. |
| [00:00:57] | justinh: | I'd *pay* for decent audio in linux |
| [00:01:34] | dustybin: | what was the name of the now defunkt system before ALSA |
| [00:01:39] | dustybin: | OSS ? |
| [00:01:39] | justinh: | hell even if the list of supported devices was 5 lines long |
| [00:01:41] | justinh: | OSS |
| [00:01:43] | Dagmar: | Yep. |
| [00:01:53] | dustybin: | what was that like? |
| [00:01:54] | gbee: | I'd have settled for analogue using the TVs phono input hours ago, but my only 3.5mm to phono cable seems to be broken :( |
| [00:02:09] | justinh: | I think that's the problem though – way too many devices & not enough chefs |
| [00:02:12] | Dagmar: | We'll probably see a shift to whoever can handle hot-pluggable audio devices correctly first. |
| [00:03:14] | justinh: | Dagmar: you should see how the OS I have to wrestle with every day handles cnfiguration of more than one hard disk |
| [00:03:29] | Dagmar: | Can't be worse than DOS |
| [00:03:31] | gbee: | alsa was written by geeks, you can see the fingerprints all over it |
| [00:03:42] | justinh: | find a file (not documented anywhere), edit it, upload it.. reboot... |
| [00:03:54] | justinh: | the spec says hot-plugged esata.. hahahaha |
| [00:04:33] | justinh: | geeks? I think that's putting it lightly ;) |
| [00:04:34] | gbee: | they never got any human beings onboard to make it usable by joe public or the users who can't be bothered to spend a year figuring it out |
| [00:05:43] | ** gbee is turning into a grumpy old man ** | |
| [00:05:58] | justinh: | I'm gonna have to get working on the menu changes I've been waffling about lately |
| [00:06:37] | justinh: | see if they'll work in practise & start selling em to the right folks |
| [00:07:34] | justinh: | gbee: maybe all they need is a strong willed person to come along & bear with them for long enough |
| [00:08:17] | _mre|666: | does anybody here use mythbuntu with a nvidia 6series + video card |
| [00:08:19] | justinh: | hmm didn't I read something somewhere about canonical investing quite a bit to help? |
| [00:08:30] | _mre|666: | i'm trying to install the nvidia driver, and nvidia-xconfig is not working |
| [00:08:38] | _mre|666: | X keeps loading |
| [00:08:39] | ** justinh points at #ubuntu-mythtv ** | |
| [00:08:45] | gbee: | I'd really admire that individual, they've got to be geeky and determined enough to understand alsa yet still "normal" enough to know what needs to be done |
| [00:08:49] | _mre|666: | it's pissing me off |
| [00:08:53] | _mre|666: | ugh |
| [00:09:05] | gbee: | and on top of that they've got to handle the politics |
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| [00:09:42] | justinh: | ahh the politics. gotta love them |
| [00:09:52] | _mre|666: | justinh: you're good at passing the buck |
| [00:10:06] | _mre|666: | there's nobody even alive in that channel |
| [00:10:09] | justinh: | heh |
| [00:10:17] | _mre|666: | i take that back |
| [00:10:37] | justinh: | depends how you try to install the nvidia drivers.. surely not from the stuff on the nvidia site I hope... |
| [00:10:48] | gbee: | well I'm off to bed, think tomorrow will be a very long day |
| [00:10:58] | _mre|666: | justinh: yeah... little choice there |
| [00:11:09] | _mre|666: | if i can get X not to load, i'll be golden |
| [00:11:16] | justinh: | night gbee. I'll be out breaking my legs tomorrow |
| [00:11:22] | _mre|666: | never seem to have this prob with Debian |
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| [00:11:51] | justinh: | _mre|666: being mythbuntu I would've assumed it'd have given you an option to install the right driver from the very start |
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| [00:12:30] | _mre|666: | justinh: it had some lame "nVidia 5 series+ driver" that's absolute crap |
| [00:12:49] | justinh: | normally just sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx does the job for me when I need it |
| [00:12:55] | JohnMahowald: | All of nvidia.com's driver packaging is absolute crap |
| [00:12:58] | _mre|666: | it displays everything so screwed up |
| [00:13:06] | _mre|666: | ok... i'll try that |
| [00:13:30] | justinh: | _mre|666: whatever the ubuntu docs for 8.whatever say should work fine – assuming you're on the latest mthbuntu |
| [00:14:03] | justinh: | I say *should* be fine ;) |
| [00:14:17] | _mre|666: | yeah |
| [00:14:20] | justinh: | that assumes you have the right repos enabled of course |
| [00:14:24] | _mre|666: | i'm trying that package |
| [00:14:27] | _mre|666: | nvidia-glx |
| [00:14:30] | _mre|666: | lets see if that works |
| [00:15:14] | _mre|666: | ok, rebooting |
| [00:15:22] | _mre|666: | i've read the dox |
| [00:15:35] | _mre|666: | comeon guys... i'm a tech, i RTFM before i come to irc for advice |
| [00:15:36] | _mre|666: | hehe |
| [00:16:34] | justinh: | one in a zillion! |
| [00:16:35] | justinh: | :D |
| [00:16:54] | _mre|666: | yep... well... i'm smarter than the average bear :P |
| [00:17:06] | justinh: | I like what mythbuntu have set out to achieve but they're not perfect yet |
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| [00:22:39] | directhex: | JohnMahowald, working on it as we speak |
| [00:31:30] | _mre|666: | aye |
| [00:31:31] | _mre|666: | i am |
| [00:31:31] | _mre|666: | :P |
| [00:34:19] | directhex: | building my own modified version of the popular "envy" tool for ubuntu with added support for beta drivers (meaning geforce 9-series support) |
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| [00:44:54] | tuxd00d: | What is the best way, without opening up the box and looking, to figure out which hauppauge card I have? |
| [00:46:29] | directhex: | an old wintv framegrabber! |
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| [00:47:22] | Anduin: | tuxd00d: lspci |
| [00:48:42] | directhex: | contrary to popular belief, lspci won't give much useful info – at best, it'll tell you the demod chip (and you can try to guess what hardware that equates to) |
| [00:49:15] | Anduin: | it will give you the id, which you can google |
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| [00:49:38] | Anduin: | If you load ivtv (and it is an ivtv card) that will give a description as well |
| [00:50:03] | tuxd00d: | maybe |
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| [00:57:19] | tuxd00d: | Anduin: 02:0b.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) |
| [00:57:19] | tuxd00d: | 02:0b.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11) |
| [00:57:19] | tuxd00d: | 03:08.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01) |
| [00:57:19] | tuxd00d: | 03:09.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01) |
| [00:57:50] | tuxd00d: | One care is a PVR-500 |
| [00:57:56] | tuxd00d: | the other, I don't know |
| [00:58:09] | tuxd00d: | It's a BTTV diver |
| [00:58:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | tuxd00d: Then that's a 'framegrabber' card... the V4L driver should work... |
| [00:59:01] | Anduin: | tuxd00d: -n would give you the PCI id, not going to be one I'll recognize from memory |
| [00:59:29] | tuxd00d: | 02:0b.0 0400: 109e:036e (rev 11) |
| [00:59:29] | tuxd00d: | 02:0b.1 0480: 109e:0878 (rev 11) |
| [00:59:41] | tuxd00d: | 109e |
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| [01:00:19] | tuxd00d: | I wonder if I have enough power to run the two 150's and a the what I think to be "WinTV-Go |
| [01:00:21] | tuxd00d: | " |
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| [01:02:19] | tuxd00d: | Anduin: my concern is that I don't know which models use this chip |
| [01:02:31] | tuxd00d: | or is it just one hauppauge card |
| [01:03:15] | justinh: | the bt878 is the framegrabber |
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| [01:04:09] | Aval0n-: | anyone know any chans with a/v nerds other than this one? |
| [01:04:12] | justinh: | 03:xx is the pvr500 because of te CX23416 chips x2 |
| [01:04:31] | Aval0n-: | I wanna talk to pplz about plasma TV tech |
| [01:04:35] | tuxd00d: | Is there a good site where I can find good configurations (recording profiles, etc) for both of my cards? |
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| [01:05:04] | justinh: | tuxd00d: if you're concerned about quality, turn it up as high as your disk usage will allow |
| [01:05:21] | justinh: | if you're concerned about disk space usage, turn it down as low as your taste will allow |
| [01:05:27] | ** J-e-f-f-A says to go with LCD instead... ;-) ** | |
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| [01:05:58] | justinh: | Aval0n-: not IRC channels. they're infinitely more civilised, preferring to inhabit fora |
| [01:06:40] | justinh: | basically they just play numberwang with spec sheets as far as I can tell |
| [01:06:47] | Aval0n-: | lol |
| [01:06:48] | Aval0n-: | :) |
| [01:07:12] | justinh: | look at some TVs. buy the one you think works the best. end of story |
| [01:07:37] | Aval0n-: | not looking to buy tv |
| [01:07:38] | Aval0n-: | http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php . . . d=1204645841 |
| [01:07:44] | justinh: | I've seen some sets that got rave reviews & thought they looked gash |
| [01:07:46] | Aval0n-: | does that pic show up for you or does it ask you to log in justin? |
| [01:08:04] | justinh: | asks me to log in |
| [01:08:08] | ** J-e-f-f-A and if you buy a plasma, cry the first time you leave the menu up on the screen for 4 hours... ** | |
| [01:08:10] | Aval0n-: | damn |
| [01:08:10] | Aval0n-: | ok |
| [01:09:07] | justinh: | I was apalled at how quickly projectgrayhem-wide became etched in a plasma kelerion brought to LWE a while back. horrified, even |
| [01:09:46] | justinh: | not permanently but still... |
| [01:09:49] | Aval0n-: | justinh: http://proxy2.ldproxy.com/aval0n/jpg/here.jpg |
| [01:10:03] | Aval0n-: | I wanna see if you can see a problem just by looking at that |
| [01:10:29] | justinh: | the hum bar? |
| [01:10:36] | Aval0n-: | hum bar? |
| [01:10:54] | Aval0n-: | I guess you see it |
| [01:10:57] | Aval0n-: | didn't know that's what it was called |
| [01:11:03] | Aval0n-: | aparently that's common on all plasmas |
| [01:11:08] | Aval0n-: | I noticed it on mine |
| [01:11:08] | justinh: | does it move up the screen slowly? |
| [01:11:12] | Aval0n-: | and it drives me crazy |
| [01:11:12] | Aval0n-: | no |
| [01:11:15] | Aval0n-: | absolutely not |
| [01:11:18] | justinh: | so it's not a hum bar then |
| [01:11:19] | Aval0n-: | and it's not source dependant |
| [01:11:26] | justinh: | jees |
| [01:11:35] | justinh: | I'd not be a very happy camper then |
| [01:11:41] | Aval0n-: | it's anytime there is a large contract in color |
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| [01:11:44] | justinh: | time for moneyback |
| [01:11:46] | Aval0n-: | it doesn't happen all the time |
| [01:12:01] | Aval0n-: | see the black recorded programs bar? |
| [01:12:05] | justinh: | is that over composite or some analog signal? |
| [01:12:08] | Aval0n-: | it's that.. extending or bleeding... |
| [01:12:19] | Aval0n-: | that's not my TV |
| [01:12:24] | Aval0n-: | bu that's what mine does |
| [01:12:29] | Aval0n-: | hdmi component.. composite |
| [01:12:34] | justinh: | blimey |
| [01:12:37] | Aval0n-: | 1080i 720p doesn't matter |
| [01:12:37] | Dagmar: | I blame the user's taste in TV shows. |
| [01:12:47] | Aval0n-: | dagar: lol |
| [01:12:49] | justinh: | at a rough guess I'd say it's a PSU design flaw |
| [01:12:49] | Aval0n-: | err |
| [01:12:58] | Aval0n-: | s/dagar/Dagmar |
| [01:13:17] | Aval0n-: | perhaps |
| [01:13:26] | Aval0n-: | but I went to circuit city |
| [01:13:34] | Aval0n-: | and asked them to bring up their guide |
| [01:13:44] | Aval0n-: | i saw it happening on all sorts of brands |
| [01:13:52] | Aval0n-: | panasonic... samsung.. pioneer.. |
| [01:13:53] | justinh: | happens on my CRT in a similar way on very high contrast areas – only not so much a luminance variation – more slight horizontal tearing |
| [01:14:23] | Dagmar: | That shoudln't happen on plasma screens tho |
| [01:14:25] | justinh: | PSu related on CRT sets, for sure |
| [01:14:29] | Aval0n-: | http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1003421 |
| [01:14:35] | Aval0n-: | that's a forum dedicated to it |
| [01:14:42] | justinh: | maybe calbrate the display so black is *black* |
| [01:14:42] | Aval0n-: | but no one has answers/resolution |
| [01:14:47] | _mre|666: | anyone here using mythbuntu? |
| [01:14:59] | _mre|666: | how do i get into hd management?! |
| [01:15:02] | Aval0n-: | justinh: i have calibrated it |
| [01:15:05] | _mre|666: | damn... this is annoying |
| [01:15:07] | Aval0n-: | happened before and after |
| [01:15:17] | Aval0n-: | no change... you can take brightness or contrast all the way down |
| [01:15:19] | Aval0n-: | same result |
| [01:15:20] | _mre|666: | i don't know what to adress in the fstab off hand |
| [01:15:27] | Aval0n-: | but.. the only place I see it is in guide menu |
| [01:15:35] | Aval0n-: | normal TV watching it rarely shows |
| [01:15:55] | justinh: | looks like big black marks against plasma, then |
| [01:15:59] | Aval0n-: | it's just that I know it's there.. so I'm always looking for it |
| [01:16:03] | SubZeroLux: | anyone have much success with the philips saa7174hd decoder chipset in ubuntu? |
| [01:16:12] | Aval0n-: | yeah.. but it's funny how obscure it is on the web though |
| [01:16:18] | Aval0n-: | hardly anyone knows/talks about it |
| [01:16:26] | Aval0n-: | they talk about DLP rainbows all day |
| [01:16:40] | Dagmar: | THat's because they're "into" rainbows. |
| [01:16:45] | Aval0n-: | lol |
| [01:16:55] | justinh: | Aval0n-: I call stuff like that the Emperor's New Clothes Syndrome |
| [01:17:28] | justinh: | no, I paid $$$$$$$ for my setup. nothing wrong with it! |
| [01:17:30] | justinh: | NOTHING! |
| [01:17:53] | Dagmar: | ..nothing that beating the crap out of a sales clerk won't fix. |
| [01:17:54] | justinh: | SubZeroLux: chipsets mean eff all. what card? |
| [01:17:59] | Aval0n-: | haha |
| [01:18:11] | Aval0n-: | well this is the 4th set i've had in my house |
| [01:18:19] | Hoochster: | does anyone know what it takes to re-enable flash in mythweb in 0.21? |
| [01:18:19] | Aval0n-: | I'm kinda losing my liking for samsung |
| [01:18:26] | justinh: | time to go for LCD then :) |
| [01:18:30] | Aval0n-: | yeah |
| [01:18:30] | SubZeroLux: | justinh: MSI Personal Cinema FX5200 128meg agp |
| [01:18:33] | Aval0n-: | if I had the money now I would |
| [01:18:41] | Aval0n-: | it's been about 2 years |
| [01:18:45] | Dagmar: | OOooh now that sounds all fancy don' it |
| [01:18:50] | justinh: | SubZeroLux: TV tuners built into graphics cards just won't work (tm) in linux |
| [01:18:51] | Aval0n-: | but because i've had constant problems they've kept extending the warranty |
| [01:18:53] | SubZeroLux: | been researching it all day, finding conflicting information |
| [01:19:00] | Aval0n-: | this is the 2nd brand NEW set they've given me |
| [01:19:05] | justinh: | I'll say again for effect |
| [01:19:06] | justinh: | SubZeroLux: TV tuners built into graphics cards just won't work (tm) in linux |
| [01:19:12] | SubZeroLux: | yes you said that. |
| [01:19:28] | justinh: | saying it twice won't change the fact it's true though |
| [01:19:36] | SubZeroLux: | though i have had a radeon aiw work before |
| [01:19:43] | SubZeroLux: | but that's ati. and was probably sheer luck |
| [01:19:44] | Dagmar: | That card deosn't have a tuner |
| [01:19:55] | SubZeroLux: | what card does not have a tuner? |
| [01:20:05] | Dagmar: | It's a fairly normal FX5200 (although with a lot of RAM on it) which comes with a breakout box and an IR reciever for the remote |
| [01:20:20] | Aval0n-: | lines are killing all the fun of my HTPC.. I get diagonal lines with my pvr-500 and horizontal ones with my TV |
| [01:20:24] | SubZeroLux: | Dagmar: and a tuner onboard. |
| [01:20:28] | Aval0n-: | I guess I shouldn't be so anal.. but.. shit |
| [01:20:36] | Dagmar: | Oh wait, that dinky philips thing |
| [01:20:39] | SubZeroLux: | yeah |
| [01:20:40] | SubZeroLux: | that. |
| [01:20:48] | justinh: | SubZeroLux: no worky in linux, no siree |
| [01:20:51] | SubZeroLux: | that's only the reciever, the decoder is the saa7174hd |
| [01:20:54] | Dagmar: | Sorry, I don't framegrabbers as tuners anymore |
| [01:21:08] | Aval0n-: | heh this forum talks about those lines on lcds too |
| [01:21:23] | Aval0n-: | apparently it's not strictly a plasma problem |
| [01:21:25] | Dagmar: | Avalon: Those people are doing something very wrong there |
| [01:21:27] | justinh: | I see dead people |
| [01:21:35] | justinh: | I see lines, I see rainbows |
| [01:21:50] | Aval0n-: | lol |
| [01:22:06] | Dagmar: | It's usually something along the lines of automatic gain control going awry because of a long segment of horizontal stuff being at the far end |
| [01:22:36] | justinh: | Aval0n-: you're not getting enough 'digital'. when you have enough 'digital' you'll firmly believe that you were seeing things & that everything is juuust fine |
| [01:22:59] | Dagmar: | Analog is the key to NTSC's success |
| [01:23:00] | Aval0n-: | haha |
| [01:23:13] | justinh: | and 'just about good enough' will actually end up being 'better than good enough, thanks' |
| [01:23:34] | Dagmar: | ...that and having every dodgy component trying to compensate for every other component's dodginess. |
| [01:24:38] | justinh: | I hope to $deity that by the time I come to replace my ageing CRT TV, it's possible to buy a set that doesn't process the living fuck out of video & make it look *wrong* |
| [01:25:00] | Aval0n-: | I can't wait for NED |
| [01:25:12] | Aval0n-: | _IF_ theu actually get it out |
| [01:38:32] | ajh: | justinh, well you could just put a lumagen in between. |
| [01:40:40] | ajh: | actually, does myth have a do-not-scale mode? turning off de-interlacing is easy enough. |
| [01:40:58] | justinh: | dont think it does |
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| [01:41:27] | ajh: | might be something to consider in the future, since a really good external scaler is a whole lot less headache. |
| [01:41:31] | justinh: | if by that you mean would it show sdtv at hdtv res in a little window? |
| [01:41:44] | justinh: | when sw scaling comes you'll take all that back |
| [01:41:48] | ajh: | no, that it sets the 'native' output resolution on the card. |
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| [01:42:09] | ajh: | I hope so. It's hard to beat the motion adaptive stuff lumagen has now. |
| [01:42:20] | justinh: | since a really good external scaler is a whole load of $$$$$$ |
| [01:42:21] | ajh: | I'd love to not need to look at more hardware. |
| [01:42:27] | ajh: | Yeah, about $1300. |
| [01:42:40] | justinh: | and snake oil |
| [01:43:11] | justinh: | hey guess what – crap looks like crap at a higher res |
| [01:43:54] | justinh: | might've been a nice Google SoC project for somebody, the sw scaling stuff |
| [01:44:14] | justinh: | if the last lot hadn't been such a resounding.. er.. hmmm. |
| [01:44:22] | iamlindoro: | FAIL? |
| [01:45:25] | justinh: | quite |
| [01:46:37] | iamlindoro: | I can see it now... "From the people who brought you *cough* MythWeather 2007! MythTV GSoC 2008!" |
| [01:48:13] | justinh: | if my exercise fad dies ( which it might well do) I'll pick up the coding lernins again |
| [01:48:50] | ** J-e-f-f-A has two low-end' scalers – A Viewsonic N4 (Svideo, composite and NTSC tuner), and an N6 (component, Svideo, composite and tuner)... Both seem to do an excellent job scaling, even with high motion... N4 was $99 on sale ~2yrs ago, N6 was about 160 on fleabay. ** | |
| [01:49:38] | justinh: | I just hope that whatever comes to myth in terms of sw scaling is easier to understand than playback profiles |
| [01:50:06] | ** J-e-f-f-A agrees 100000000% ** | |
| [01:50:12] | justinh: | hmmm. an idea sprung to mind |
| [01:50:20] | justinh: | test clips. which looks best? ;) |
| [01:50:28] | justinh: | wizardy thing ahoy |
| [01:50:55] | justinh: | tarball bloatage by the boatload, though |
| [01:51:05] | ** J-e-f-f-A thinks justinh is on to something... ;-) ** | |
| [01:51:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Who said it had to be full-screen? It could be a 3-second loop or something... |
| [01:52:04] | justinh: | true |
| [01:52:16] | justinh: | dunno how well the internal player copes with loops though |
| [01:52:35] | justinh: | could display cpu usage too |
| [01:52:55] | justinh: | there are other things which could use more user-friendliness before that though |
| [01:53:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Yeah, well, hey — just use some of the video they already have recorded... with an OSD to switch the modes... |
| [01:54:31] | purserj: | hmm is AAC enabled in myth's internal version of the libavcodec? |
| [01:54:46] | justinh: | purserj: depends on where you get your packages from |
| [01:54:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: I hear ya! ;-) I've got to investigate how to create my own mythweather script so I can get my local weather again... Closest weather for me is ~30 miles away, and it doesn't seem to 'jive' all the time at all... |
| [01:54:54] | purserj: | justinh: svn |
| [01:55:07] | justinh: | purserj: then you need to ./configure with aac enabled |
| [01:55:11] | purserj: | tah |
| [01:55:13] | justinh: | which needs aac dev libs |
| [01:55:35] | justinh: | or libfaad or whatever name they go by |
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| [02:22:00] | pretender_: | my mytharchive broke what other way can i get me mythtv recordings to DVD |
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| [02:28:53] | jeebusroxors: | im getting RingBuf(//): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '//' from a remote front end, can someone point me to some info |
| [02:29:11] | jeebusroxors: | thats followed by PlaybackBox Error: Could not open file for preview video. |
| [02:31:50] | purserj: | pretender_: how broken? |
| [02:39:10] | pretender_: | i export to DVD it says it has bended OK but the DVD's don't play |
| [02:40:12] | pretender_: | i have posted the problem here http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=971783 |
| [02:40:16] | purserj: | won't play in myth or wpn |
| [02:40:23] | purserj: | won't play in your dvd player? |
| [02:40:26] | purserj: | or both |
| [02:40:51] | pretender_: | a DVD Player that connected to the TV and DVDRW in the mythtv box |
| [02:41:14] | purserj: | I usually build an iso and then use k3b to do the burning |
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| [02:41:47] | pretender_: | have tried that it does not work |
| [02:42:16] | purserj: | right, ah you're using the gutsy version of the mytharchive package? |
| [02:42:42] | pretender_: | yes |
| [02:42:47] | purserj: | I had issues with that before and moved to the source package |
| [02:43:01] | pretender_: | how do i do that |
| [02:44:50] | purserj: | you ever built from source before? |
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| [02:48:01] | pretender_: | got to go i'll try an iso again |
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| [03:03:46] | jeebusroxors: | getting a RingBuf(//): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening when trying to watch a recorded video on a remote frontend – any clues? |
| [03:04:29] | clever: | more -v |
| [03:04:33] | clever: | mythfrontend -v all |
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| [03:06:14] | purserj: | this is going to be painful I can tell |
| [03:06:54] | jeebusroxors: | alright, looks like it thinks the file is local... |
| [03:06:59] | jeebusroxors: | from what i can tell |
| [03:07:08] | clever: | theres an option to force it to allways stream from the backend |
| [03:07:24] | jeebusroxors: | ah yes, i saw that |
| [03:08:42] | jeebusroxors: | that didnt do it heh |
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| [03:11:00] | jeebusroxors: | 2008-05–09 23:08:59.341 NVP: A/V Divergence: 0, Rate: 0, Warpfactor: 1, warpfactor_avg: 1 |
| [03:11:06] | jeebusroxors: | that scrolls by forever |
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| [03:19:49] | armbar: | hello |
| [03:20:49] | armbar: | mythplugins does not build against svn trunk when using perl 5.10? |
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| [03:21:56] | armbar: | I mean mythtv, I see alot of "make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/perl/5.8/Config.pm', needed by `Makefile.perl'. Stop." messages when building mythtv |
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| [03:26:00] | jeebusroxors: | armbar: looks like it wants 5.8... |
| [03:26:13] | jeebusroxors: | i dunno though, im here for help too |
| [03:36:51] | Dagmar: | armbar: Install an actual perl. |
| [03:37:18] | Dagmar: | s/actual/working/; |
| [03:40:31] | Aval0n: | arrgg |
| [03:40:46] | Aval0n: | I have this one QAM 256 channel.. freq and sub ID are correct |
| [03:40:50] | Aval0n: | but I get partial lock |
| [03:41:01] | Aval0n: | unless I tune the other channel on the same multiplex first |
| [03:41:06] | Aval0n: | then it locks |
| [03:41:10] | Aval0n: | when I switch over |
| [03:41:17] | Aval0n: | freaking annoying |
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| [03:41:24] | Dagmar: | Could be worse. |
| [03:41:51] | Aval0n: | yeah.. I could have to set a recording rule to switch to another channel first before it records on... oh wait.. |
| [03:42:00] | Aval0n: | ;) |
| [03:42:11] | Dagmar: | All the videos could be coming down with time-expiring DRM |
| [03:42:39] | Dagmar: | I am *not* effing happy because I just found out that both Mass Effect and Spore are going to _require_ online activation |
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| [03:42:49] | Aval0n: | =/ |
| [03:43:16] | Dagmar: | ...which means that at the point EA decides they don't want to authenticate any new installations... that's it. |
| [03:43:59] | Dagmar: | Yer grandkids ain't playin' Spore just because you bought a copy now. You'll get to re-buy it on EA's "Classics" channel whether you like it or not. |
| [03:44:17] | Dagmar: | ...although I suspect that it won't even take ten years to get to that point. |
| [03:45:11] | armbar: | Dagmar: this is the package that is in debian sid "ii perl 5.10.0–10 Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report Language" |
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| [03:45:53] | armbar: | hit sid a week or so ago |
| [03:46:16] | Dagmar: | armbar: So congratulations. You managed to break the install. |
| [03:46:25] | Dagmar: | Either you did, or they did. |
| [03:46:38] | Dagmar: | Nuke /usr/lib/perl and reinstall it |
| [03:47:35] | Dagmar: | ...and I do mean nuke it with rm. |
| [03:48:05] | Dagmar: | You've either managed to break perl itself, or you've got stale portions of perl that weren't properly handled by the package manager still hanging about, calling for 2.8 |
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| [04:12:22] | armbar: | root@mythtvbox3:/usr/lib/perl# ls |
| [04:12:24] | armbar: | 5.10 5.10.0 |
| [04:12:37] | armbar: | no 5.8 installed |
| [04:13:54] | armbar: | I am not sure but it looks like the make file is pointing to 5.8 "/usr/lib/perl/5.8/Config.pm', needed by `Makefile.perl'" |
| [04:14:15] | armbar: | anyway, I am sure it will be resolved... |
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| [04:30:19] | Dagmar: | What makes you think that? |
| [04:31:52] | Dagmar: | I can assure you that path isn't hard-coded into anything in the SVN pull I have from 0.21-fixes of two weeks ago |
| [04:32:33] | Dagmar: | If you used CPAN at all to install any extra packages, it can cause this issue. |
| [04:33:07] | Dagmar: | There is also no Makefile.perl present in myth |
| [04:35:11] | Dagmar: | Waiting for one last grep to finish... |
| [04:36:13] | cecil is now known as cesman | |
| [04:36:49] | Dagmar: | It _generates_ Makefile.perl based on some stuff it gets _from perl itself_ |
| [04:37:19] | Dagmar: | So again, you might guess, but I've spent a LOT of time dorking with perl, both writing it, and building it on various platforms. |
| [04:38:53] | Dagmar: | ...either that or you're building Myth from _unclean sources_ that have stored those paths from your previous build. |
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| [04:42:50] | Dagmar: | The more I think about it, the more it's likely you need to clean the stale files (objects) from your myth sources. |
| [04:46:28] | Dagmar: | in a "while" I'll have a test build that I can grep through, but I'll bet that's it |
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| [05:05:28] | ksumustang: | I'm having some troubles burning a recording to a DVD. When ever there is movement on the screen, it gets kind of "fuzzy" (I'm not sure quiet how to explain it) |
| [05:05:47] | ksumustang: | it looks fine when viewing it in MythTV |
| [05:06:25] | ksumustang: | I've tried adding the extra parameter that it sugest at the bottom of the MythArchive wiki page and that doesn't help |
| [05:06:36] | ksumustang: | anyone got any ideals? |
| [05:09:46] | AudioV: | by fuzzy do you mean lines across the screen? |
| [05:10:31] | Dagmar: | I'm betting he's talking about deinterlacing/interlacing artifacts. |
| [05:10:32] | ksumustang: | its sort of like that |
| [05:10:37] | Dagmar: | Rat's teeth |
| [05:10:39] | AudioV: | that sounds like a (de)interlacing problem but i don't really use mytharchive so i probably can't help you |
| [05:11:55] | ksumustang: | I'm thinking its a (de)interlacing problem because the quality is still good... just fuzzy, but its only with motion |
| [05:13:12] | ksumustang: | I was following the wiki page: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythArchive and added "<parameter name="-flags" value="+ilme+ildct"/>" and that didn't help |
| [05:13:35] | Dagmar: | You might want to look up what those _do_ instead of just parroting what someone else wrote. |
| [05:13:40] | Dagmar: | This is actually a rather complex thing you're looking at. |
| [05:14:33] | Dagmar: | Just converting something from 24fps (film) to ~30 fps (broadcast NTSC) can go very wrong if done crudely/incorrectly. |
| [05:15:01] | ksumustang: | ah, ok. |
| [05:15:03] | Dagmar: | When you throw in interlacing or deinterlacing as well, there's *loads* that can go wrong. |
| [05:15:27] | Dagmar: | You will, I kid you not, probably be reading at least 3–4 hours before you have a super-complete grasp of all the things involved. |
| [05:15:57] | ksumustang: | heh. well, do you have a recommended starting point :-P |
| [05:16:33] | Dagmar: | The man page for the utility that's doing the transcoding.... |
| [05:16:47] | Dagmar: | Oh and most of the documentation on http://www.videohelp.com/ |
| [05:17:26] | Dagmar: | Many of these things are also explained on Wikipedia, so if you hit something that seems vague/bizarre on Videohelp.com, don't be afraid to go to WP for clarification |
| [05:18:13] | Dagmar: | I'd say what would be more useful would be knowing of a good starting point to work from, and in this case it would be kinda working backwards, starting with looking up _exactly_ what type of video formats are kosher for putting video on a DVD with. |
| [05:18:29] | Dagmar: | THEN you can learn how to identify what exactly is going on in the video file you want to put on a DVD... |
| [05:19:11] | Dagmar: | ...and then most of "how to get from A to B" becomes a matter of looking up the fiddling little options for transcode and ffmpeg |
| [05:19:42] | Dagmar: | ...but you really have to know both A and B before you can start to make sense of the bits between. |
| [05:19:48] | ksumustang: | ok |
| [05:19:56] | Dagmar: | It's not super-arcane, but it's definitely a lot of ground to cover. |
| [05:20:35] | Dagmar: | FINALLY. |
| [05:20:50] | Dagmar: | Yeah that guy with the 5.8/5.10 perl problem was building from unclean source. |
| [05:22:10] | ksumustang: | Thanks for the help Dagmar. |
| [05:22:42] | ksumustang: | I originally thought this would be a "just push play" probject, I guess I now have a weekend project :-D |
| [05:25:45] | Dagmar: | Yeah, a weekend is a good time-frame on this. |
| [05:25:50] | Dagmar: | I read FAST and it took me a whole damn night |
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| [05:38:33] | ksumustang: | how do I find out what exactly I'm recording in? like were are the parameters/profiles stored? |
| [05:39:58] | ksumustang: | ah, of course, now I find it :-P |
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| [06:04:02] | dramman: | anyone had any trouble installing a grub-based distro on a sata hdd? |
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| [06:13:51] | rwalker: | Was playing with Mythbuntu and have a strange problem... When playing any video (LiveTV or recorded) it is real slow/jerky or just frozen. Using an AMD 780g chipset with 4850e proc |
| [06:13:53] | rwalker: | Any thoughts? |
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| [06:18:36] | pretender: | problems with mytharchive hi def (digital) recordings not exporting to DVD properly. DVD wont play. mytharchive says something about unrecognised resolution. How do i get hi def recordings to DVD |
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| [08:52:44] | gbee: | didn't get hdmi audio working last night, I was too tired to notice that I'd specified the pc speaker device by accident .... |
| [08:53:17] | gbee: | weird thing is that with the correct device aplay indicates it's playing I just don't get audio from the tv speakers :( |
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| [09:01:46] | pretender__: | i get this error message when running nuvexport 0% Can't locate object method "new_recording" via package "MythTV" at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/mythtv/recordings.pm line 64. Any ideas |
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| [09:15:27] | justinh: | wow. by the tone of this question it seems subtitles have entered another realm: "It will be interesting to see if Subtitles for the death and hard of hearing work with ITV HD and CHN4 HD?" |
| [09:15:35] | justinh: | subtitles for the death! |
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| [09:23:37] | jblack: | What? Are you biggoted against the vitality challenged? |
| [09:24:08] | jblack: | I bet you haven't even had death victims over for dinner. |
| [09:27:35] | ** jblack picks up his "Rights for Zombies" sign, starts trudging around the channel while chanting Ozzy Osborne lyrics backwards. ** | |
| [09:30:34] | jblack: | What do we want? Zombie Rights! When do we want them "Uhhhhhhhrrhhrhhh" |
| [09:30:34] | justinh: | I thought zombies were *un*dead... different pigeon hole, shirley |
| [09:31:40] | jblack: | damned if you're dead... damned.... huh. I think I've uncovered a pun mine. |
| [09:33:30] | jblack: | close the bug with "not in this lifetime!" |
| [09:40:34] | jblack: | That would make a great youtube movie. |
| [09:43:42] | ** justinh wonders if the Radio One One Big Weekend will be on the red button thingy ** | |
| [09:45:06] | justinh: | yay. |
| [09:45:28] | ** justinh schedules a recording from 4pm-1.30am ** | |
| [09:45:56] | justinh: | bugger. dunno which stream it'll be on |
| [09:46:48] | jblack: | That reminds me. I need to file a bug with SD about a channel with no guide data |
| [09:48:20] | justinh: | WTF? just gone into livetv so I can play with interactive & er.. the OSD is 1/3 off the bottom of the screen & unscaled |
| [09:57:26] | justinh: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/osd.jpg |
| [09:57:51] | directhex: | compiz weirdness? |
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| [10:00:44] | justinh: | don't use compiss AFAIK |
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| [10:03:49] | justinh: | don't think it's even possible on Dapper |
| [10:05:29] | directhex: | oh, it isn't |
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| [10:10:35] | waini: | hi |
| [10:10:54] | waini: | i have al little probmlem |
| [10:11:21] | waini: | starting my backend by "mythbackend" works without any error |
| [10:12:07] | waini: | but by starting "/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start" i get a acess denied (DB) |
| [10:12:16] | waini: | system is debian etch |
| [10:12:27] | waini: | any ideas? |
| [10:13:39] | justinh: | the usual suspects |
| [10:13:48] | justinh: | mysql.txt |
| [10:13:59] | waini: | my mysql-file is ok |
| [10:14:06] | justinh: | YOURS is yes |
| [10:14:13] | justinh: | what about the mythtv user? |
| [10:14:36] | justinh: | same old same old |
| [10:17:57] | waini: | thanks |
| [10:18:46] | justinh: | fixed? |
| [10:18:50] | waini: | yes |
| [10:18:54] | justinh: | cool! |
| [10:19:23] | waini: | every time setting up a new mythtv |
| [10:19:35] | waini: | i hope i will think of it next time |
| [10:19:59] | justinh: | heh. it's always complicated (but still silly) things that get me |
| [10:20:15] | rinaldi_: | man, I'm still confused as to why my asx streams from mythweb won't work. No media players work, they either freeze up when I enter my username/ password or don't run at all. I have forced http too... |
| [10:21:00] | justinh: | I'm still confuzzled abot why streaming matters to anybody, but then I'm just 1.0 |
| [10:21:29] | justinh: | IIRC, disabling all that jazz was considered for 0.21 |
| [10:22:50] | justinh: | directhex: say your goodbyes to the nice weather. I'm off to buy some garden furniture :P |
| [10:23:52] | directhex: | justinh, why do i care? i have no garden! |
| [10:24:00] | directhex: | actually, i want nice weather at the beer festival today |
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| [12:52:10] | justinh: | heh. got the patio set up & no rain. touch wood |
| [12:53:18] | AndyCap: | ah, the fjord looks fantastic today. too bad I'm on a train instead of a boat. |
| [12:55:26] | Solv: | mythtv 0.21 doesn't find any xmltv grabbers in setup, and doesn't then let me just choose one from a list...such as tv_grab_au...now i use shepherd and used to make a symlink to tv_grab_au but seeming as setup is no longer looking for it i can't automatically run mythfilldatabase from the frontend...i have to run shepherd and then import the xmltv file with mythfilldatabase --file command...is there a way around this? |
| [13:01:27] | gbee: | Solv: what does "tv_grab_au_shepherd --capabilities" give? |
| [13:02:40] | Solv: | there is not tv_grab_au_shepherd |
| [13:02:42] | Solv: | no |
| [13:02:43] | Solv: | even |
| [13:03:01] | Solv: | tv_grab_au is a symlink to shepherd under the mythtv username |
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| [13:03:30] | Solv: | only because i created it |
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| [13:04:44] | Solv: | i was hoping i would've seen shepherd as an option to choose for getting data when i selected australia as the data source...but no luck...still only data direct =( |
| [13:05:14] | gbee: | Solv: I was hoping you'd put in whatever the correct name was, I don't live in Australia ... |
| [13:05:49] | gbee: | whatever it's called, what does "foobar --capabilities" output? |
| [13:06:17] | Solv: | gbee, yeah i did that...sorry...good to know we are on the same page |
| [13:06:30] | Solv: | umm...shepherd doesn't have any such flag |
| [13:06:41] | Solv: | so it just runs it as normal |
| [13:06:53] | gbee: | Solv: then it won't be supported, there must be a newer version surely? |
| [13:07:20] | Solv: | no with shepherd everytime it runs it upgrades itself to the newest version |
| [13:07:22] | gbee: | it's not XMLTV compliant if it doesn't support --capabilities and hasn't been that way since 0.20.2 |
| [13:07:59] | gbee: | Solv: suprised no-one has updated it to work with the latest xmltv spec then, it changed 18 months ago |
| [13:08:10] | Solv: | well i wonder why absolutely no xmltv grabbers were found at all.. |
| [13:08:21] | gbee: | Solv: they are in PATH? |
| [13:09:08] | gbee: | does tv_find_grabbers output anything at all? |
| [13:09:08] | Solv: | not sure...it's knoppmyth beta version...i'm wasn't sure if it was a change in mythtv or knoppmyth...it's sounding like it might be a knoppmyth thing |
| [13:09:13] | Solv: | hold on |
| [13:09:31] | Solv: | yep....hepas |
| [13:09:34] | Solv: | heaps even |
| [13:09:53] | Solv: | and tv_grab_au is found |
| [13:09:53] | gbee: | what about "tv_find_grabbers baseline manualconfig" |
| [13:10:32] | Solv: | seems to have the same output |
| [13:10:46] | gbee: | that's all that mythtv-setup does to find the installed grabbers, so it sounds like a knoppmyth bug |
| [13:11:02] | Solv: | just listing them all in /usr/bin/X11/ |
| [13:11:03] | Solv: | okay |
| [13:11:10] | Solv: | i'll hassle cecil about it |
| [13:11:26] | gbee: | you could check the log of mythtv-setup, see if it complains about failing to run tv_find_grabbers |
| [13:12:08] | Solv: | gbee, yeah good idea |
| [13:12:48] | Solv: | well...i could if it was there...not in /var/log/mythtv |
| [13:13:27] | gbee: | run it from a terminal and it will log to stdout |
| [13:13:54] | Solv: | ah yeah...i was wondering actually if i could set it manually through mythweb |
| [13:22:20] | cesman: | Solv: please don't discuss KnoppMyth beta's in here |
| [13:22:29] | cesman: | Solv: this _isn't_ the place |
| [13:23:35] | Solv: | cesman, didn't think it was a knoppmyth issue to begin with |
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| [13:47:05] | crispy--: | can anyone take a look at my problem described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=788981 |
| [13:48:37] | gbee: | getting to the point where I'd offer a monetary award to anyone who can describe how to get audio over HDMI working |
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| [13:58:36] | anenigma: | crispy--: double check the running command line with ps or something is my thought. also try to get mplayer to log output so you can check log files |
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| [14:40:20] | jeebusmobile: | where can i find info on remote frontends, i get ProgramInfo: GetPlaybackURL: File is local: '/home/myth/live/' which it isnt |
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| [14:48:50] | justinh: | it is if the frontend hostname is the same as the backend |
| [14:49:22] | ajh: | no, "no jobs and nothing else to do. you could rip a dvd" when I tell it to rip a dvd.... |
| [14:50:02] | ajh: | no errors. |
| [14:52:50] | justinh: | no write permission on the dir where it's set to rip to? no mtd running? |
| [14:53:12] | ajh: | that wouldn't generate an error? |
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| [14:53:29] | justinh: | I dunno, maybe not |
| [14:53:36] | ajh: | ok, I'll take a look. |
| [14:53:54] | jeebusmobile: | http://pastebin.isawsome.net/pastebin.php?show=334 &ndas h; my mythfrontenv -v all – getting ringbuf errors......any ideas? |
| [14:54:43] | justinh: | null hostname? maybe as bad as having the same hostname lol |
| [14:54:48] | ajh: | oh, wait, can I rip on a fe machine if the store is nfs from the backend? |
| [14:55:25] | justinh: | ajh: doesn't matter so long as you have permission to write there |
| [14:55:26] | armbar: | Dagmar: I needed make distclean and everything went fine. Thanks |
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| [15:09:18] | justinh: | jeebusmobile: make sure your hostnames are valid and are different |
| [15:11:38] | jeebusmobile: | justinh: just finished getting that in order...no good though |
| [15:13:06] | justinh: | hope you didn't change the backend hostname |
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| [15:21:30] | jeebusmobile: | nfs isnt needed for a remote frontend correct? |
| [15:21:56] | jduggan: | correct |
| [15:22:07] | jduggan: | unless you want mythvideo to share the same movies that are stored on a backend |
| [15:22:12] | jeebusmobile: | ya |
| [15:22:14] | jeebusmobile: | well, |
| [15:22:33] | jeebusmobile: | i cant for the life of me figure this out heh...i made a recording from the new remote front end |
| [15:22:53] | jeebusmobile: | that plays on the back/frontend, but nothing on the remote frontend |
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| [15:23:13] | jduggan: | nothing? |
| [15:23:16] | jduggan: | you mean you cant see it? |
| [15:23:40] | jeebusmobile: | http://pastebin.isawsome.net/pastebin.php?show=334 |
| [15:24:04] | jeebusmobile: | maybe i missed something in storage? |
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| [15:25:45] | jduggan: | not seen that before |
| [15:25:53] | jduggan: | everything has just worked (tm) here ;) |
| [15:26:09] | jeebusmobile: | yea |
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| [15:29:16] | jeebusmobile: | i cant find any info on anything that MIGHT be related heh |
| [15:32:59] | jduggan: | hmm |
| [15:33:04] | jduggan: | does mythweather work these days? |
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| [15:44:08] | gbee: | jduggan: yes |
| [15:44:25] | jduggan: | excellent |
| [15:49:04] | gbee: | just make sure you have all the perl modules installed – packagers should have sorted that for you if you use them |
| [15:53:57] | jeebusmobile: | http://pastebin.isawsome.net/pastebin.php?show=334 i can see the previews, make recordings but not watch them |
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| [16:08:28] | mazing_: | Anyone knows why my filters arent applied when i transcode? |
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| [16:27:30] | mazing_: | nm, fingured it out :) filters has to be set pr. channel |
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| [17:07:41] | gbee: | any ideas what I might try to get a colour picture from the fglrx driver over an svideo > scart connection? It just worked with the old tv but it's B/W with the new one |
| [17:10:02] | directhex: | force PAL/NTSC somehow? |
| [17:14:05] | jduggan: | hmm |
| [17:14:06] | jduggan: | guys |
| [17:14:20] | jduggan: | got a 400gb USB disk |
| [17:14:26] | jduggan: | which i 'acquired' for free |
| [17:14:36] | jduggan: | problem is, it only stores media and spins down |
| [17:14:48] | jduggan: | then when you need to play a movie takes stupid time to spin up |
| [17:14:55] | jduggan: | easy way to stop it spinning down? =] |
| [17:15:56] | rwalker: | Not really any way to control power management on a USB drive... |
| [17:16:32] | jduggan: | thats what i thought, only thing i can think of is to cron a simple read/write ever X minutes |
| [17:16:39] | jduggan: | to keep it active |
| [17:16:43] | jduggan: | but ugly method :) |
| [17:19:46] | gbee: | directhex: it's set to PAL-I, which should be correct |
| [17:20:07] | gbee: | like I said, it just worked with the older TV |
| [17:21:22] | gbee: | guess the tv just doesn't like svideo through scart, it's expecting rgb |
| [17:21:47] | directhex: | look in the tv settings for a way to force the scart mode? |
| [17:22:09] | gbee: | nothing there |
| [17:22:43] | gbee: | I'm in real trouble now, HDMI I get a great picture but no sound, svideo I get black/white picture |
| [17:24:43] | sphery: | gbee: You use Mandriva, right? Do you happen to know if similar to another distro (i.e. Red Hat or something)? |
| [17:25:35] | gbee: | uses rpms like redhat and was originally derived from there, but that's where I'd say the similarities end |
| [17:26:04] | sphery: | Can you do a grep ZONE /etc/sysconfig/clock and see if it output anything, please. |
| [17:26:22] | gbee: | ZONE=Europe/London |
| [17:26:36] | sphery: | and that's what you have yours configured to, right? |
| [17:26:42] | gbee: | yep |
| [17:26:56] | sphery: | cool, then its time zone config is similar to Red Hat's. |
| [17:27:19] | gbee: | guess so :) |
| [17:27:46] | sphery: | Just need to do the Debian one (/etc/timezone, AFIU) and the "catch-all" and I'll be done with that "quick patch" I was making for #5319 |
| [17:27:50] | sphery: | Thanks for the help. |
| [17:28:18] | sphery: | Guess I should find some SUSE users, too. |
| [17:29:31] | sphery: | BTW, according to http://www.svideo.com/svideoscart.html , "A SCART connector only supports composite video and connecting an s-video cable to a SCART that has an "s-video" receptable will result in a black and white signal," but that may be due more to their, "exclusive "S-Video to SCART" adapter that provides you with a colour signal," rather than the technology, itself. :) |
| [17:32:09] | sphery: | Wikipedia (and it's always right, too :) agrees: "In many cases if this connection [SCART output to a TV with S-Video input] is made the result will be a predominantly black and white picture with most of the color (chrominance signal) washed out." |
| [17:32:53] | sphery: | I'd guess the HDMI is just expecting the audio to be in the HDMI cable. I'm guessing your video card doesn't pass the audio through, right? |
| [17:33:17] | gbee: | hmm, think I probably knew that, but I guess I was hoping I could change the output with fglrx like you can with the nvidia driver |
| [17:33:38] | gbee: | sphery: card outputs audio, but the alsa driver is broken |
| [17:33:57] | sphery: | not just a passthrough, then? |
| [17:34:30] | gbee: | I've just gone with option #3 – steal a vga cable from my work area and hook it up to the TV that way |
| [17:34:37] | gbee: | sphery: no |
| [17:34:54] | Aval0n: | anyone in here ever tried out mediaportal? |
| [17:35:08] | sphery: | that (VGA) works, too :) |
| [17:35:16] | gbee: | Aval0n: justinh has, he wasn't impressed |
| [17:35:32] | Aval0n: | ahh |
| [17:36:04] | gbee: | sphery: it works, but it means I'm without a monitor – something I guess I'll have to live with under the circumstances |
| [17:36:40] | sphery: | who needs a monitor for a Myth box? :) |
| [17:37:01] | sphery: | Is this your dev system or something? |
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| [17:37:13] | gbee: | the TV has analogue inputs for audio when HDMI is connected – but it seems they get disabled if it detects that the HDMI cable is carrying an audio signal |
| [17:38:02] | sphery: | But due to the lack of drivers, the audio signal it's carrying is silence... Gotta love "autoconfiguration." |
| [17:38:29] | rwalker: | gbee, You using a AMD 780g chipset for your HDMI audio? |
| [17:38:39] | gbee: | 690 |
| [17:38:59] | rwalker: | Can't get my 780 audio to work over HDMI... :( |
| [17:39:00] | gbee: | sphery: the one I robbed the cable from? yeah, well the second monitor on this machine (dual monitor setup) |
| [17:39:47] | gbee: | rwalker: support for the 780 is supposed to be in the next alsa release, but then they've broken the 690 and probably others so who knows if it will actually work? |
| [17:39:58] | rwalker: | lol |
| [17:40:22] | rwalker: | I was hoping Mythbuntu 8.04 would have support, since it is brand new... |
| [17:41:51] | gbee: | I'll say again, alsa sucks |
| [17:41:59] | rwalker: | Anyone running firewire out of a Toshiba DLP tv? Can't it to even show a guid on input setup... |
| [17:42:06] | rwalker: | gbee, It blows |
| [17:42:11] | gbee: | one of the alsa guys actually suggested I look at OSS4 |
| [17:42:37] | sphery: | gbee: perhaps OSS4 has it. :) Though I can't figure out what license they're using (GPL2 or BSD). http://www.opensound.com/press/2007/oss-gpl-cddl.txt http://www.opensound.com/press/2008/oss-bsd.txt |
| [17:42:40] | gbee: | it blows and sucks, and for a fiver ... |
| [17:42:43] | sphery: | heh, you were already thinking that |
| [17:43:06] | gbee: | sphery: I couldn't care less about licenses if it works :) |
| [17:43:28] | sphery: | gbee: but if you do have to use OSS4, many will be happy (because you'll probably have to add OSS4 support to Myth) |
| [17:44:07] | gbee: | sphery: heh |
| [17:44:25] | sphery: | Yeah, I'm just wondering how they could take GPL-licensed code and make it (the more-restrictive) BSD-licensed |
| [17:44:30] | Aval0n: | guys I have a qam256 chan that I get partial lock on unless I tune another chan on the same multiplex first |
| [17:44:34] | Aval0n: | have you guys seen that before? |
| [17:46:05] | rwalker: | Where and what provider are you using Aval0n? |
| [17:46:09] | sphery: | heard of it, never seen it (as multiple channels on a multiplex isn't really something I see in my system), thought changing the timeout was the solution (though I don't remember) |
| [17:46:16] | Aval0n: | cox from arizona |
| [17:46:33] | Aval0n: | hmm where would I change the timeout |
| [17:46:42] | sphery: | mythtv-setup--there are 2 |
| [17:47:05] | Aval0n: | so you've heard of the partial lock thing eh? |
| [17:47:16] | Aval0n: | I was hopeing I wasn't the only one it was happening to on |
| [17:47:50] | sphery: | mentioned on the lists a lot, not a lot of responses with (useful) suggestions or follow-ups once fixed |
| [17:48:00] | sphery: | so, hard to track down useful posts |
| [17:48:17] | rwalker: | I thought that was caused due to a bad configuration on the providers switch |
| [17:48:18] | sphery: | Signal Timeout and Tuning Timeout |
| [17:48:39] | sphery: | that's possible, too |
| [17:48:48] | rwalker: | If it always happens on 1 channel... |
| [17:48:50] | sphery: | providers can break all sorts of things |
| [17:49:08] | sphery: | out of curiosity, what are your Signal/Tuning Timeout, Aval0n ? |
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| [17:49:56] | sphery: | (someone else had them at a ludicrously-high value and said he didn't modify the defaults, so I was wondering if the defaults aren't working properly) |
| [17:50:36] | Aval0n: | I dunno man |
| [17:50:41] | Aval0n: | I only have ssh access atm |
| [17:50:51] | Aval0n: | I might be able to look in the database manually though |
| [17:50:52] | Aval0n: | sec |
| [17:51:28] | justinh: | Aval0n: yeah I tried it. It's uninstalled now. My desktop machine isn't the slowest in the world but ffs it was unresponsive way more than it should be, and just plain jerky other times. While it could see my video & music shares it wouldn't play them either :-\ NUL POINTS |
| [17:51:29] | sphery: | SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value IN ('signal_timeout', 'channel_timeout'); |
| [17:51:58] | sphery: | sorry, that's in channel |
| [17:52:03] | sphery: | or card |
| [17:52:06] | rwalker: | Can't believe I am actually installing Vista on my new HTPC, this is sad... |
| [17:52:23] | Aval0n: | k sec |
| [17:52:45] | sphery: | SELECT chanid, channum, signal_timeout, channel_timeout FROM capturecard; |
| [17:52:47] | Aval0n: | signal_timeout int(11) No 1000 Browse distinct values Change Drop Primary Unique Index Fulltext |
| [17:52:48] | Aval0n: | channel_timeout int(11) No 3000 |
| [17:52:56] | Aval0n: | sorry fubar paste |
| [17:53:05] | sphery: | those look like proper defaults for DVB |
| [17:53:45] | sphery: | Don't know why the other guy said 60000 and 62500 were the defaults he got. But, thanks for looking for me. |
| [17:53:53] | Aval0n: | sure |
| [17:53:54] | Aval0n: | thank you |
| [17:54:02] | rwalker: | I think mine was set to 3000 and 5000 |
| [17:54:26] | rwalker: | 60000 would be 60 seconds, that is a LONG time |
| [17:54:40] | sphery: | right |
| [17:54:57] | sphery: | thus the "ludicrously-high" adjective :) |
| [17:55:02] | rwalker: | :) |
| [17:55:09] | Aval0n: | would I have to restart the backend if I make an adjustement? |
| [17:55:17] | sphery: | 3000 and 5000 isn't bad, though |
| [17:55:32] | rwalker: | Yes |
| [17:55:34] | Aval0n: | I was thinking about trying that.. |
| [17:55:43] | sphery: | Aval0n: I think so (Myth doesn't like hot-plug modifications to capturecards) |
| [17:56:15] | Aval0n: | k |
| [17:57:34] | sphery: | any SUSE users here? |
| [17:58:46] | sphery: | (if so, I just have a quick question about system time zone configuration--don't need help configuring mine, just info about how you configure yours) |
| [17:59:18] | Aval0n: | bah |
| [17:59:22] | Aval0n: | still partial lock BS |
| [17:59:46] | sphery: | sorry. might be the provider, as rwalker suggested |
| [17:59:55] | sphery: | is this on a recent channel scan? |
| [18:00:13] | sphery: | or, perhaps, I should say, recently-scanned channel |
| [18:00:48] | justinh: | it's not unheard of for providers to omit vital tables on digital streams ya know – that can cause untold misery |
| [18:01:05] | Aval0n: | yeah... |
| [18:01:07] | Aval0n: | sometimes it works |
| [18:01:10] | Aval0n: | sometimes it doesn't |
| [18:01:14] | Aval0n: | it's been this way forever |
| [18:01:24] | Aval0n: | hell mythtv scanner didn't even pick up 3 of my local chans |
| [18:01:27] | Aval0n: | I had to use azap |
| [18:01:31] | rwalker: | Yeah, their boxes will probably not have any issues with ti |
| [18:01:34] | Aval0n: | and dvbscan |
| [18:01:43] | Aval0n: | just to identify the right sub channel id |
| [18:01:51] | jeebusmobile: | http://pastebin.isawsome.net/pastebin.php?show=334 i can see the previews, make recordings but not watch them on my remote frontend |
| [18:02:42] | justinh: | jeebusmobile: I remember seeing a users mailing list post about a very similar problem the other day |
| [18:03:59] | sphery: | more != better (in logs :) |
| [18:04:20] | justinh: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/333401 |
| [18:04:25] | sphery: | justinh: I'm pretty sure I remember seeing the jeebusmobile's post on the users mailing list (based on "/home/myth/live/" |
| [18:04:39] | justinh: | problem turned out to be wrong timezone settings |
| [18:05:04] | sphery: | hmmm. someone should write some code to detect a misconfigured timezone and prevent Myth from starting |
| [18:05:50] | Aval0n: | justinh: i had that problem |
| [18:06:02] | Aval0n: | and yeah it was daylight savings that screwed me :) |
| [18:06:05] | jeebusmobile: | justinh: that could very well be |
| [18:06:08] | sphery: | jeebusmobile: Justin's right, though. Improper time zone settings are a common reason for failure to find (technically, to request) a recording. |
| [18:06:29] | sphery: | if not that, it's often a storage group configuration issue |
| [18:06:39] | Aval0n: | anyone ever made any sound effects packages for mythtv? |
| [18:06:47] | Aval0n: | kinda like tivo sounds |
| [18:06:52] | jeebusmobile: | ill give the timezone thing a shot |
| [18:06:53] | Aval0n: | _yes i know it's gay_ |
| [18:07:00] | sphery: | we don't really have a way to play the sounds in Myth, right now |
| [18:07:08] | Aval0n: | ahh' |
| [18:07:26] | sphery: | could actually be useful for improved (perceived) UI responsiveness |
| [18:07:42] | justinh: | chutt was saying he'd really like to have that too |
| [18:07:50] | justinh: | so whoever does it might just make his day |
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| [18:08:08] | justinh: | if I'd ever use it I'd have a stab at coding it |
| [18:08:17] | Aval0n: | ;) |
| [18:08:18] | sphery: | the "Keypress Application: External application or script to run when a keypress is received by LIRC." doesn't really work for that |
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| [18:09:29] | crispy--: | Is there a web page with general tips/tricks for mythtv? |
| [18:09:36] | sphery: | justinh: I should use that approach more often--"if I'd ever use it..." I end up writing far too many patches to fix things I will /never/ use (i.e. US analog frequency tables, detecting invalid time zone configuration, and many more) |
| [18:09:59] | manicola: | hey – anyone have experience with dual monitors? having trouble getting video out to video1 |
| [18:10:21] | sphery: | crispy--: there's the wiki ( http://wiki.mythtv.org/ ) |
| [18:10:45] | sphery: | and, of course, the HOWTO ( http://mythtv.org/docs/ ) |
| [18:10:59] | justinh: | sphery: lol. I plan on doing some more things I might not necessarily use often though so it's not all ME ME ME |
| [18:11:02] | sphery: | any specific tips and tricks, though, will require a more specific question |
| [18:11:29] | jduggan: | whats the best resolution i can send over svideo? |
| [18:11:34] | justinh: | anyway sphery the UI isn't what I would ever call unresponsive. and when compared to mediaportal FACK no :D |
| [18:11:55] | justinh: | jduggan: realistically, you only ever get PAL or NTSC from a VGA card's TV encoder |
| [18:12:00] | sphery: | justinh: actually, there's still a lot of "ME ME ME" in those "never use 'em" patches--"ME doesn't like answering the same posts where Myth is blamed for not working in a broken system configuration" |
| [18:12:00] | crispy--: | Thanks :) |
| [18:12:09] | justinh: | so it doesn't matter – X will get scaled to fit regardless |
| [18:12:53] | justinh: | the least wasteful is prolly 720x576 or 800x600 |
| [18:12:59] | sphery: | jduggan: some will say that if you have NTSC, you should use 720x480 and if PAL, 720x576 so it's "1:1", but it's not. |
| [18:13:18] | justinh: | you can do higher but it'll only be scaled down. the UI will prolly flicker a bit |
| [18:13:43] | jduggan: | right now im using dual DVI card in my office with one 'monitor' as my mythtv screen on an old 17" CRT.. but it sacrifices my second workspace display.. ive an svideo port so thinking of driving three screens from one card and using the svideo port to a scart input on a portable |
| [18:13:53] | sphery: | the card will almost always do some processing that means the rendered image isn't the one that's sent over TV-out |
| [18:14:30] | jduggan: | i dont play HD, so i guess i should use PAL resolution is the best to use? |
| [18:14:35] | justinh: | yup |
| [18:14:36] | sphery: | But, as justinh said, no sense rendering at a super high res before stuffing it in an NTSC/PAL signal. |
| [18:14:57] | jduggan: | wonder how my card will handle the three screens |
| [18:14:59] | justinh: | 720x576 if you can get it – if not 800x600 will be fine |
| [18:15:00] | sphery: | You might want to use 1024x768, though, because there are some pages that don't fit nicely on even 800x600 |
| [18:15:03] | jduggan: | should be fine? =] |
| [18:15:22] | sphery: | (not themed pages--mainly in setup/settings) |
| [18:15:46] | justinh: | yeah I wanna fix that sometime |
| [18:16:00] | justinh: | make em all overscan safe! |
| [18:16:06] | sphery: | yeah, I think gbee will end up fixing it (with the settings mythui conversion :) |
| [18:16:20] | jduggan: | its already setup :), i tend to watch livetv in my office, just for background noise really.. anything i record that i really want to watch is prerecorded and watched on my lounge tv =] |
| [18:16:32] | justinh: | I took one peek at it, saw how easy it'd be to fix one screen then realised not all the screens used the same code so it'd be a huge job |
| [18:17:39] | sphery: | yeah, and it's not always predictable (i.e. on the Playback Profiles configuration screen, depending on the number of playback profiles in the chosen profile group when you enter the Playback Settings, that entire Playback Settings may not fit) |
| [18:18:20] | sphery: | Even if you change it to a group with only one profile (which will definitely fit), it won't resize, so you'll have to save, exit Playback Settings, and re-enter |
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| [18:18:43] | sphery: | I went to fix that before 0.21 and decided it wasn't worthwhile. :) |
| [18:19:27] | justinh: | yeah when the settings screens go mythui it'll be much easier |
| [18:21:21] | sphery: | definitely (though I hope gbee first does even the "hard" non-setup pages first--like Watch Recordings--since they're more commonly used) |
| [18:23:09] | jeebusmobile: | sphery: justinh timezone was what did it – im golden now – thanks a lot |
| [18:23:39] | justinh: | good job *I* read the mailing lists then eh |
| [18:23:40] | justinh: | :D |
| [18:23:49] | justinh: | happy for ya jeebusmobile |
| [18:24:58] | jeebusmobile: | justinh: ive been searching for the error there, but not a description of the problem heh |
| [18:27:14] | jduggan: | hmm, on my intel board i've a line in, line out and mic port on the onboard sound.. in windows the intel app lets you change the line in, to a rear line out, can you do that with some alsa stuff? |
| [18:27:15] | gbee: | jduggan: go with 800x600 or 720x576, image quality on a SD tv tends to go down the higher the res |
| [18:27:52] | gbee: | you're pushing it above it's native res and it looks rubbish (at least that's my experience) |
| [18:28:33] | gbee: | and before someone points it out, no – SD TVs don't have a resolution as such, just a number of lines |
| [18:29:21] | jduggan: | yea, well 720x576 is fine for me |
| [18:29:27] | jduggan: | the only issue is 4:3 theme ;) |
| [18:29:32] | jduggan: | there arent any decent ones haha |
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| [18:29:54] | justinh: | long may that continue :P |
| [18:30:11] | jduggan: | im actually using justinh's glass theme on a 4:3 1280x1024 resolution |
| [18:30:26] | justinh: | and it works with 0.21? eep |
| [18:30:29] | jduggan: | i dont think it'll look so great on 720*576 ;) |
| [18:30:32] | jduggan: | yea |
| [18:30:36] | jduggan: | had to change a few bits |
| [18:30:43] | justinh: | just wait til you go to edit video metadata |
| [18:30:45] | jduggan: | which i believe you pointed out |
| [18:30:48] | jduggan: | nah, thats sorted |
| [18:31:02] | justinh: | yay. you're now the official maintainer! |
| [18:31:05] | jduggan: | lol |
| [18:31:05] | jduggan: | :) |
| [18:31:21] | justinh: | very magnanamous of you I must say :D |
| [18:31:25] | jduggan: | its a minefield |
| [18:31:45] | jduggan: | my full respect goes to theme authors ;) |
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| [18:41:46] | gbee: | jduggan: I used a 16:9 theme with 720x576 – although it was a widescreen TV |
| [18:42:46] | justinh: | I still use a 16:9 theme on 720x576 on a wide TV |
| [18:43:06] | justinh: | never been able to convince X to run in a wide aspect mode anyway |
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| [18:49:56] | AMD64: | Hello Everyone/ |
| [18:51:33] | AMD64: | Does anyone know if Mythtv 0.21 can use Mysql 6.0.3-alpha? |
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| [18:52:25] | gbee: | no idea and I don't think anyone would like to guess |
| [18:52:43] | jduggan: | only one way to find out =] |
| [18:52:55] | gbee: | generally forward support isn't an issue though, i.e. mysql 6 probably supports everything that mysql 5 did |
| [18:53:18] | gbee: | but the changelog should make such stuff clear |
| [18:55:09] | justinh: | alpha mysql? braver man than I, I'll say! |
| [18:55:28] | AMD64: | I can't seem to pass the Upgrade database schema |
| [18:55:42] | kormoc: | AMD64, then you got your answer |
| [18:56:21] | AMD64: | I'm building linux from scratch and therefore I had install Mysql 6, and had to delete the source therefore can't downgrade. |
| [18:56:52] | AMD64: | so my guess is no one has use mythtv and mysql 6 |
| [18:57:03] | kormoc: | AMD64, you never had to install mysql 6, they provide the source for all the earlier releases as well... |
| [18:57:24] | AMD64: | I know, but wanted to use the latest. |
| [18:58:25] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [18:58:59] | AMD64: | I guess I'll have to find a way to uninstall 6 and install 5 |
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| [18:59:17] | justinh: | the word 'alpha' should strike doubt into the heart of anybody seeking a known quantity |
| [18:59:35] | kormoc: | Honestly, if you don't know how to do that without looking it up, you likely shouldn't be doing LFS |
| [18:59:47] | AMD64: | true, but if you don't experiment you'll never learn. |
| [19:00:04] | justinh: | here, have some heroin. it's really nice :P |
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| [19:00:49] | AMD64: | well thanks for you help everyone. |
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| [19:09:15] | astinus: | I'm after a low-profile tuner, preferably dual DVB-T which is supported by MythTV. Interface would be PCI-e or PCI — anyone got suggestions? |
| [19:11:14] | armbar: | seems like nuvexport does not like perl.5.10 |
| [19:11:58] | justinh: | PCI-e DVB tuner in linux? welcome to the world of hardware requiring driver wrangling :) |
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| [19:13:49] | piksi: | armbar: nebula is imo great if you live in europe |
| [19:13:57] | piksi: | sorry s/armbar/astinus/ |
| [19:14:29] | ** astinus nods ** | |
| [19:14:31] | astinus: | I'm in the UK :) |
| [19:15:43] | astinus: | i've got a little 2U case which I'm hoping to fit a dual tuner into, the NOVA-T-500 seems like my best bet right now, with PCI-e support somewhat lacking |
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| [19:17:09] | sphery: | jeebusmobile: Glad you got it. Also, thanks for making work on my patch to detect invalid time zone configuration seem even more useful (as the patch has grown from a simple (but naive) patch to a large, complex, but-the-only-way-that-will-do-what-we-need patch). |
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| [19:18:11] | sphery: | jeebusmobile: also, would be useful if you post a follow-up solution to your thread (so anyone searching archives will have the solution). |
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| [19:19:04] | sphery: | BTW, I mean the thread on the -users mailing list |
| [19:20:01] | jeebusmobile: | sphery: of course – bout to go see 'ironman' ill take care of it when i get back |
| [19:21:26] | astinus: | ironman is good :D have fun with that! |
| [19:22:58] | tjcarter: | Okay, I have an if-hell-freezes-tomorrow question: |
| [19:24:32] | tjcarter: | If hell freezes tomorrow and on Monday we get ourselves a cablecard 2.0 or whatever they call it this month capture card with Linux drivers and everything, would it be possible using that "standard" for MythTV to show on-demand things and let you order PPV and whatnot using its own UI? |
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| [19:26:05] | justinh: | tjcarter: unless the magic code fairy comes along & adds features to mythtv, I doubt it |
| [19:28:14] | astinus: | Hell will freeze over and Microsoft will opensource Windows before the Magic Code Fairy comes into existence, heh. |
| [19:28:15] | tjcarter: | justinh: I'm looking at this from a slightly different perspective. Basically, in February 2009, blind people in the United States start losing access to television. |
| [19:28:29] | astinus: | tjcarter: :O why? |
| [19:28:52] | tjcarter: | astinus: Because suddenly we MUST use a set-top box. |
| [19:29:18] | astinus: | tjcarter: no integrated tuners in TVs? |
| [19:29:18] | tjcarter: | it'll be longer before the cable companies start mandating it, but it WILL HAPPEN. |
| [19:29:30] | astinus: | don't you guys have terrestrial TV? |
| [19:29:44] | tjcarter: | The analog TV signals go away next year. |
| [19:30:02] | sphery: | jeebusmobile: good movie (not great, but good). And thanks. |
| [19:30:41] | tjcarter: | Amusingly, the $40 digital converter boxes they're selling nowadays support descriptive audio. |
| [19:31:16] | tjcarter: | Which means about 1/3 of PBS has a narrator telling you what a blind person can't see on the screen. Nobody else bothers with it =D |
| [19:31:25] | tjcarter: | And the digital boxes do support it. |
| [19:31:34] | tjcarter: | But a blind person cannot configure the damned things =D |
| [19:31:44] | tjcarter: | Someone's gotta do that for them. |
| [19:32:40] | tjcarter: | Analog cable, starting next year, is the only thing a blind person can use without a sighted person setting it up. It really isn't hard to plug in a TV, seriously. ;) |
| [19:33:02] | tjcarter: | But that's only good for 5 more years, then it's all digital cable. |
| [19:33:39] | sphery: | tjcarter: is there really a drop-dead date for analog cable? |
| [19:33:46] | sphery: | I assumed it was by provider |
| [19:33:55] | tjcarter: | sphery: not forced, but not required after 2014 |
| [19:34:09] | sphery: | but they are required to provide it 'til 2014? |
| [19:34:13] | tjcarter: | sphery: keep in mind, cablecos WANT TO DROP analog. |
| [19:34:19] | sphery: | right |
| [19:34:26] | tjcarter: | they can't before 2014. |
| [19:34:28] | sphery: | cool |
| [19:34:48] | sphery: | I know that many cable co's are lying to customers and saying they have to upgrade to digital cable before Feb 2009 |
| [19:35:14] | sphery: | should get smacked down by the FCC (but the FCC doesn't seem to care) |
| [19:35:16] | tjcarter: | That's still just 5 years until blind people cannot use TVs anymore without a sighted person ;) |
| [19:35:51] | sphery: | yeah, broadcast of and support for EIA-708 captions needs to be much improved |
| [19:36:01] | tjcarter: | So I'm looking at alternatives |
| [19:36:53] | tjcarter: | because if a MythTV box will solve the problem provided that the industry gives us what we need, there's room for political pressure (and legislation even) to make it happen. |
| [19:37:53] | sphery: | A local station of mine really upset me the other day. I was watching Supernatural in OTA HD and a ticker appeared on the bottom of the screen: "292 Days: Digital TV 2009 countdown." The scrolling message said something like, "If you're receiving this broadcast over an antenna, you will need to take additional steps to ensure you continue to recieve your favorite programming after Feb 2009. If you have cable TV, no ... |
| [19:37:59] | sphery: | ... additional steps are required." |
| [19:38:22] | sphery: | then it went on to say something about the converter box coupons, so it basically told everyone that they need to either a) apply for a converter coupon or b) sign up for cable. |
| [19:39:05] | sphery: | it totally disregarded the existence of DTV tuners/decoders in TV's. |
| [19:39:32] | sphery: | And, why the * are they even putting that message on their /digital/ broadcast? |
| [19:40:09] | tjcarter: | haha |
| [19:40:30] | ** sphery wants to tell the guy in the "Trouble with monit" thread (monit keeps dying) to run nagios to make sure monit is running ** | |
| [19:41:32] | ** justinh wants to tell people who use frickin monit for mythbackend duties to post frickin backtraces ** | |
| [19:41:41] | astinus: | <3 Monit |
| [19:41:43] | astinus: | works for me |
| [19:42:08] | sphery: | yeah, if your mythbackend is crashing, you have a seriously broken system (or are actually running up against a Myth bug) |
| [19:42:11] | justinh: | if mythbackend is falling over often enough you need to worry about it – hey why not find out WTF is wrong? |
| [19:42:34] | justinh: | mine falls over once in a blue moon, but hasn't since I updated to 0.21 |
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| [19:44:06] | jduggan: | im not even using .21 stable |
| [19:44:07] | sphery: | my production master backend's mythbackend process has been running for 49 days without any issues (longest I've ever gone without upgrading Myth). Slave got restarted after a PSU exploded. |
| [19:44:11] | jduggan: | it was a trunk release before it got stable |
| [19:44:16] | jduggan: | and has never crashed for me |
| [19:44:24] | jduggan: | 0.21.20080304–1 |
| [19:44:38] | sphery: | jduggan: library api version is meaningless |
| [19:44:44] | jduggan: | that was checkout date |
| [19:44:47] | sphery: | myth(backend|frontend) --version |
| [19:44:52] | jduggan: | for my svn |
| [19:44:53] | sphery: | svn rev is important |
| [19:45:13] | jduggan: | MythTV Version : 16446M |
| [19:45:16] | sphery: | that looks far more like a mythtv library API version |
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| [19:46:25] | sphery: | was actually checked out after |
| [19:46:25] | sphery: | was actually checked out after Blank lines |
| [19:46:25] | sphery: | Case changes |
| [19:46:25] | sphery: | White space changes |
| [19:46:32] | sphery: | Timestamp: 03/08/08 05:09:33 |
| [19:46:37] | sphery: | weird. Stupid trac |
| [19:46:56] | jduggan: | well, it was checked out before .21 went stable |
| [19:47:04] | jduggan: | but the system has been stable, so i dont wish to change it |
| [19:47:14] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:47:24] | sphery: | that's a good approach, too. If it ain't broke... |
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| [19:47:45] | jduggan: | i probably wont change it until $somefeature becomes available that i might want |
| [19:47:49] | jduggan: | to test :) |
| [19:48:06] | jduggan: | yes, its an excellent approach to have :) |
| [19:48:10] | sphery: | I only upgrade mine because after I spend hours working on a new patch for Myth, I want to use it right away. :) |
| [19:48:44] | jduggan: | lucky for me i havent written any code for myth ;) |
| [19:49:03] | sphery: | though I've made a lot of new features recently that I'm not running on my production system (because I'm not going to the post-Qt4 trunk on my production system) |
| [19:52:48] | justinh: | jduggan: but you're the official glass-wide maintainer now. that's a job requiring a solid mettle and a heart of stone |
| [19:54:00] | justinh: | I've been slipping. thinking about going public again, damn my sorry self |
| [19:54:35] | justinh: | support email address: dev@slashnull |
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| [19:57:21] | ** tjcarter attempts to break a MythFrontend compile =p ** | |
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| [20:03:29] | TalibJayid: | man i cant figure this out. i get a video pause every 20 seconds or so, no output to console |
| [20:04:06] | tjcarter: | you watching top? |
| [20:04:22] | TalibJayid: | no change:( |
| [20:06:50] | ille_: | I've updated my ubuntu laptop from 7.10 to 8.04 and now my mythfrontend segfaults when trying to play a recording or live tv. My backend runs mythbuntu 7.10 with 0.21-fixes. Frontend log http://pastebin.ca/1014030 |
| [20:07:05] | ille_: | is it a alsa problem in 8.04? |
| [20:11:27] | ille_: | the recordings plays fine in mplayer via nfs |
| [20:11:35] | sphery: | ille_: let me guess--your ALSA is using the PulseAudio plugin |
| [20:11:56] | sphery: | TalibJayid: no "prebuffering pause" messages? |
| [20:12:04] | TalibJayid: | nothing:( |
| [20:12:27] | sphery: | and you have "Use video as timebase" (or whatever) disabled? |
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| [20:14:42] | ille_: | sphery: how do I check the PulseAudio plugin? |
| [20:15:42] | sphery: | ille_: if you go into alsamixer, do you see, "Card: PulseAudio" and "Chip: PulseAudio" |
| [20:16:31] | TalibJayid: | sphery: let me check on that |
| [20:16:43] | ille_: | sphery: Card: Card: Intel 82801DB-ICH4 Chip: Analog Devices AD1981B |
| [20:17:20] | TalibJayid: | sphery: i know that if i use gmplayer on the same file i have no problems:( |
| [20:17:59] | TalibJayid: | sphery: video as timebase is not checked |
| [20:18:17] | TalibJayid: | extra audio buffering and enable realtime priority is checked |
| [20:18:24] | sphery: | all good |
| [20:18:41] | sphery: | don't know what would cause it, then |
| [20:19:18] | ille_: | sphery: time to debug compile then.. |
| [20:19:19] | sphery: | ille_: might not be in use--perhaps the MythBuntu guys disable it. |
| [20:19:55] | sphery: | ille_: any corrupt video is quite likely to cause a segfault. Do you have a sufficiently-strong signal? |
| [20:19:57] | ille_: | sphery: my laptop is a standard ubuntu 8.04 with standard mythfrontend-package |
| [20:20:38] | ille_: | sphery: the recording is playing fine in mplayer and on my combined backend/frontend. |
| [20:20:41] | sphery: | what type of recordings are these? DVB or ivtv or ... |
| [20:20:55] | ille_: | sphery: DVB-C 720x576 |
| [20:21:16] | sphery: | don't know, then. Without a backtrace, I'm just guessing. |
| [20:21:43] | sphery: | can you do a backtrace (ubuntu packages make it possible to get a good backtrace with debug symbols--without isn't helpful) |
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| [20:23:47] | ille_: | sphery: ok, so they have debug symbols on by default? |
| [20:24:54] | sphery: | ille_: no, some extra package or something. I'm not sure how they do it. I'm sure they could help in #ubuntu-mythtv. |
| [20:26:42] | ille_: | sphery: gdb on mythfrontend.real gives me no symbols found. so something needs to be installed. |
| [20:28:54] | Aval0n: | where is the 'quick tune' option located? |
| [20:29:29] | sphery: | Aval0n: mythtv-seutp on the card input. |
| [20:29:36] | sphery: | (input connections?) |
| [20:31:33] | Aval0n: | ok thanks |
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| [20:55:15] | thedarkone: | hey all |
| [20:55:40] | thedarkone: | i tried to do the mythweb i get auto php.file |
| [20:55:50] | thedarkone: | what could i have done wrong |
| [20:56:25] | thedarkone: | i install apache2 php5 php5-mysql |
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| [21:13:09] | jquest: | is there a way to add multiple directories to search for media in? |
| [21:13:24] | ille_: | any one know what this can be http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11314/ |
| [21:14:06] | ille_: | jquest: symbolic links , ln -s /new/path in your /video directory |
| [21:14:14] | Anduin: | jquest: : |
| [21:15:19] | jquest: | ok, thank you ille_ and Anduin |
| [21:17:51] | thedarkone: | can i use a usb hdd for mythtv live? |
| [21:18:44] | ille_: | live and recordings are stored on the same place |
| [21:19:18] | thedarkone: | can i use usb hdd for it? |
| [21:19:35] | ille_: | should work |
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| [21:24:03] | thedarkone: | i can't figure out how to make a folder on it |
| [21:24:22] | thedarkone: | i tried mkdir /dev/sdb1 live |
| [21:24:32] | thedarkone: | says no such thing |
| [21:24:46] | GreyFoxx: | ummmm |
| [21:24:50] | GreyFoxx: | you gotta mount it first |
| [21:25:00] | thedarkone: | it should be mounted |
| [21:25:01] | GreyFoxx: | mount /dev/sdb1 /path/youwant |
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| [21:25:15] | thedarkone: | path |
| [21:25:17] | thedarkone: | ? |
| [21:25:22] | thedarkone: | like .home |
| [21:25:34] | GreyFoxx: | Like whereever you mounted it to ? |
| [21:25:45] | GreyFoxx: | There is no way for me to knjow where you have it mounted from here :) |
| [21:25:53] | GreyFoxx: | do a df |
| [21:25:58] | GreyFoxx: | see where it's mounted |
| [21:26:41] | thedarkone: | i did this |
| [21:27:02] | thedarkone: | mount /dev/sdb1 /myth/live |
| [21:27:19] | thedarkone: | mount: mount point /myth/live does not exist |
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| [21:27:38] | GreyFoxx: | the directory you mount to must exist |
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| [21:28:45] | thedarkone: | thank u |
| [21:28:56] | thedarkone: | i see how it works |
| [21:29:02] | thedarkone: | now next problem |
| [21:29:12] | thedarkone: | i tried myth web |
| [21:29:27] | thedarkone: | i get php_auto_file |
| [21:29:34] | thedarkone: | whatz is that |
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| [21:40:42] | wagner: | any chance letting my raid controller spin down drives could be causing my read errors? |
| [21:40:55] | Andreaz: | Can someone give me the layout of the table recordedrating. Dunno how, but this one is gone in my db... :( |
| [21:45:05] | monkeypet: | Andreaz: you mean the schema? |
| [21:45:09] | Dagmar: | It's in the mc.sql |
| [21:46:14] | monkeypet: | I don't know why when I set the recordings to recording 7 shows and delete the oldest, it doesn't get deleted. |
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| [22:00:05] | Gumby`: | good afternoon all. I am using mythtv to record satellite and cable programs and I am wondering why I dont get images in mythweb with the mythweb recordings but I do with the cable recordings. Anyone have any idea why this might be? |
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| [22:01:31] | lwizardl: | Hi |
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| [22:02:56] | monkeypet: | lwizardl: howdy! |
| [22:03:20] | lwizardl: | anyonehere using ubuntu and have a Digiwave DVB-S card? |
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| [22:04:23] | Gumby: | lwizardl: nope, but I have a twinan and a nova-s |
| [22:04:42] | monkeypet: | yeah, I have the haugpage and homerun, sorry. |
| [22:04:44] | lwizardl: | Gumby, i think the twinhan is the same card |
| [22:04:53] | Gumby: | lwizardl: no idea. hehe |
| [22:04:54] | lwizardl: | is yours a 103g? |
| [22:05:00] | Gumby: | 1020a |
| [22:05:05] | lwizardl: | oh dang |
| [22:05:29] | lwizardl: | I got this card for $20 off fleabay |
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| [22:05:35] | Gumby: | cool. |
| [22:06:03] | monkeypet: | anyone compared xfs and ext3 for using with myth? |
| [22:06:07] | monkeypet: | Does it matter? |
| [22:06:24] | lwizardl: | but have no idea on how to properly install this card for use in myth |
| [22:06:56] | Gumby: | lwizardl: what are you planning on receiving with that card? |
| [22:07:12] | lwizardl: | Gumby, the non encrypted feeds |
| [22:07:26] | lwizardl: | 100% free FTA stuff |
| [22:07:55] | Gumby: | lwizardl: boring!. hehe. I'm not sure if it will help but I can point you towards a few forums |
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| [22:08:47] | monkeypet: | I wish there was a good frontend solution for windows. |
| [22:08:57] | monkeypet: | the mythtv player isn't working well. |
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| [22:09:39] | lwizardl: | monkeypet, only thing I have have seen that would be sorta ok on windows was media portal and thats becauses its a windows build of the xbox media center |
| [22:09:50] | lwizardl: | iirc |
| [22:10:34] | monkeypet: | lwizardl: I am going to have to try that, it just suxs that I use windows as my primary home office computer. |
| [22:10:53] | lwizardl: | monkeypet, I have one 1 windows pc left |
| [22:11:11] | lwizardl: | and thats a dual boot partition for xp / ubuntu |
| [22:11:24] | monkeypet: | lwizardl: Yeah, I can never get rid of windows all together, just won't work. |
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| [22:12:41] | lwizardl: | monkeypet, only thing I have a use for windows for is my memory card tranfers kit for my xbox360. everything else I have a linux alternate version to use |
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| [22:14:17] | lwizardl: | monkeypet, I've been using linux (ubuntu mainly) for over 5 years now and couldn't be happier |
| [22:19:41] | monkeypet: | lwizardl: I am a fedora fan at home, but have osx and windows also..... I can't cut the gates-tax yet. |
| [22:19:50] | directhex: | lwizardl, mediaportal shares 0 code with xbmc |
| [22:20:15] | lwizardl: | directhex, then what was the one that was a rewrite of xbmc? |
| [22:20:16] | directhex: | monkeypet, ext3 has one major issue which can cause problems with myth, but there are workarounds configurable |
| [22:20:24] | directhex: | lwizardl, xbmc |
| [22:20:39] | monkeypet: | directhex: can you elaborate? |
| [22:21:07] | directhex: | Official XBMC software application names: |
| [22:21:07] | directhex: | * XBMC for Linux |
| [22:21:07] | directhex: | * XBMC for Mac OS X |
| [22:21:07] | directhex: | * XBMC for Windows |
| [22:21:07] | directhex: | * XBMC for Xbox |
| [22:22:01] | monkeypet: | I have to redo my storage soon, so I want to un-lvm and use storage groups, so basically I will be starting the storage from scratch after it is all done, so I am flexible to recommendations on fs type. |
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| [22:23:24] | directhex: | monkeypet, ext has VERY slow deletes – and eats CPU time during that delete. so deleting long shows can cause problems if you do it at the same time as recording something |
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| [22:23:44] | directhex: | monkeypet, there's a setting called "slow deletes" which makes the delete process very slow, to avoid the problem |
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| [22:54:21] | thedarkone: | hey all |
| [22:54:21] | thedarkone: | i tried to do the mythweb i get auto php.file |
| [22:54:21] | thedarkone: | what could i have done wrong |
| [22:54:21] | thedarkone: | i install apache2 php5 php5-mysql |
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| [23:17:53] | directhex: | libapache2-mod-php5? |
| [23:22:48] | thedarkone: | yes |
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| [23:25:09] | justinh: | directhex: MP was actually based on XBMC at one point – but now the XBMC code is completely unrecognisable |
| [23:25:41] | justinh: | and that'd probably go a long way towards explaining why MP is pretty sucky compared to XBMC |
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| [23:31:37] | directhex: | there's a lot of "weird" in xbmc |
| [23:31:47] | directhex: | like having its own file sharing protocols |
| [23:32:59] | thedarkone: | i get apache2syntax error on line 104 of /etc//apache2/conf.d/mythweb conf: invaild command 'php_value', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration. |
| [23:33:04] | thedarkone: | failed |
| [23:34:55] | Aval0n: | I currently have a power outlet wired directly behind my plasma so I can plug it in there, and meet code. This works fine but the only problem with it is I cannot plug into a surge supressor. anyone know if they make a power plate that has a recessed male connector so I can make my own power bridge? |
| [23:35:02] | Aval0n: | then plug it into the power strip |
| [23:35:10] | justinh: | directhex: and their own client/server thingy. not a half bad idea IMHO |
| [23:35:55] | justinh: | Aval0n: male plug? on an outlet? insanity |
| [23:36:09] | Aval0n: | nah justin because it would be dead |
| [23:36:16] | Aval0n: | just a pass through |
| [23:36:28] | Aval0n: | basically I'm looking to make a DIY version of this. http://www.powerbridgesolution.com/aboutpowerbridge.html |
| [23:37:03] | Aval0n: | and since I already have an outlet wired behind the TV, I could just disconnect the bottom part from my other outlet and connect another plate to it. |
| [23:37:37] | Aval0n: | I'm just trying to stay within code |
| [23:38:06] | Aval0n: | I _could_ just drop the original power cable through a hole in the wall on down.. but then it sucks the cool air out of the house |
| [23:38:08] | Aval0n: | heh |
| [23:38:11] | Aval0n: | and it's not in code |
| [23:40:15] | justinh: | so er.. you can't get a surge arrester ting on a trailing lead? |
| [23:40:46] | justinh: | stick it on the back of the teevee, plug mains into the surge effort & then the TV mains into the surge thingy |
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| [23:41:10] | Aval0n: | 0_o |
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| [23:43:10] | justinh: | what? |
| [23:49:23] | directhex: | in reception at work we have a mac mini resting neatly on top of the vesa mount of a plasma tv, along with all the power cables |
| [23:52:40] | Aval0n: | sorry back |
| [23:53:04] | Aval0n: | justing I have 0 room behind the set |
| [23:53:12] | Aval0n: | 1 inch between tv and well |
| [23:53:20] | Aval0n: | so sticking anything behind the tv is out of the question |
| [23:53:30] | Aval0n: | i need something like that power bridge |
| [23:54:12] | Aval0n: | the current outlet I have behing the TV is wired into the bottom inwall |
| [23:54:18] | Aval0n: | using electrical cable |
| [23:54:32] | Aval0n: | so it meets code it's not a standard consumer electronics plug |
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| [23:57:12] | hachi: | mythbackend likes to eat all my CPU :) |
| [23:57:56] | hachi: | is it threaded? |
| [23:58:11] | Aval0n: | backend does? |
| [23:58:14] | Aval0n: | that's odd |
| [23:58:35] | hachi: | I tried to load up mythweb 'recorded programs' in a brosser |
| [23:58:37] | hachi: | browser, even |
| [23:58:50] | hachi: | and it shot up to 100%, and has been there for like 10 minutes now |
| [23:58:50] | kormoc: | it will the first time |
| [23:58:58] | kormoc: | as it's generating thumbnails of the recordings |
| [23:59:03] | clever: | ive got a similar problem |
| [23:59:07] | clever: | system usage in top? |
| [23:59:18] | kormoc: | clever, no, in bottom |
| [23:59:23] | clever: | lol |
| [23:59:25] | hachi: | what's funny is that strace shows it being blocked in 'select' |
| [23:59:39] | clever: | strace i dont think handles the threads well |
| [23:59:39] | hachi: | so it is threaded or something? I don't see OS threads.... |
| [23:59:55] | hachi: | ahh, there they are |
| [23:59:57] | kormoc: | hachi, You may be being bit by the generation bug |
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