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Wednesday, May 7th, 2008, 00:01 UTC

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PaulWay:

Hi all!

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aliby:

Hi

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PaulWay:

Anyone got one of the new model DViCO Fusion Digital 4 tuner cards (ID 0fe9:db98) working under Fedora 8?

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PaulWay:

(Or any other Distro for that matter...)

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squish102:

HD playback pauses every 2–3 seconds? what should i be looking out for?

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squish102:

load on computer runs at about 5

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aliby:

squish i remember reading something about the opengl sync

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aliby:

and disabling it

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aliby:

err that was directed at squish102

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squish102:

thanks aliby, i'll look into it. it is only with HD playback

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kormoc_:

squish102, make sure "Use video as time base" is unchecked

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squish102:

ok kormoc_ will check that too, thanks

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Anduin:

deinterlacer worth checking as well (cpu usage rather than load should help)

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squish102:

it looks like the computer kinda struggles to play HD

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squish102:

the pauses are 2–5 seconds between each .5 sec pause

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squish102:

and i get: 2008-05–06 20:21:27.885 NVP: prebuffering pause in the log

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aliby:

how big of a buffer have you allotted?

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squish102:

no idea, i am not allowed to touch it at the moment while my wife is painfully watching it like that

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squish102:

and moaning

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adc:

i'm testrecording a movie and i found out that it creates file with a size of about 500mb for about 10min, is this normal?

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Anduin:

adc: It depends on the bitrate

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kormoc_:

and source

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adc:

Anduin: then there must be some default values set

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PatrickDK:

adc, that is approx 3gigs per hour, I'm doing 3.8gigs per hour myself

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Anduin:

adc: There is, look at your recording profiles

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adc:

where can i adjust this and what would be an acceptable bitrate

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kormoc_:

adc, whatever your eyes like

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adc:

no experience

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adc:

and if i start trying it out

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PatrickDK:

that would be around 6.5mbps

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adc:

god

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PatrickDK:

normally wouldn't go over 8mbps

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GreyFoxx:

adc: What kind of capture card?

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adc:

GreyFoxx: it is a dvb-c

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adc:

card

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GreyFoxx:

then you have no control over the incoming bitrate

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GreyFoxx:

It's enbcoded and transmitted to you. You just record what is transmitted

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adc:

i see

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adc:

but i suppose mythtv can recode it

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GreyFoxx:

you can transcode after it's done if you need the space, but transcoding will affect visual quality

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adc:

ok

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PatrickDK:

I found transcoding videos that are under 4–5mbps to be horrid

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PatrickDK:

my 8mbps ones turned out nice

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adc:

ohhh god this is an awfull old b/w movie , quality is so bad

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adc:

this card has two tuners? i can watch and record at the same time it is a technotrend budget

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adc:

a simple card actually

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adc:

i get permanently emails from mythtv-status with this content No config found; attempting to find mythbackend via UPnP.

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adc:

what does it mean?

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adc:

and Sorry, failed to fetch http://localhost:6544/xml.

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adc:

noone here who could answer why it cant find config?

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leprechau:

i get those same messages...never worried about it

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leprechau:

cause i don't do the email thing anyways

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leprechau:

but i see them in mythtv-status sometimes

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leprechau:

adc, just be patient someone that knows might answer

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adc:

sure mythtv-status sends them

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adc:

ahh you need a config.xml file

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adc:

leprechau: if you want to get read of it copy a config.xml to /root/.mythtv

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TalibJayid:

hi

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TalibJayid:

anyone using oss4 and myth?

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aliby:

Any idea how to get a pvr-500 to recognize both tuners in mythtv? I have them set up/configured but when I start to record a show and try to switch channels, I can't

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kormoc_:

aliby, did you add both tuners to mythtv-setup?

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aliby:

kormoc: yes they are both set up: /dev/video0 and /dev/video1

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kormoc:

switch tuners in live tv mode?

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aliby:

thats what I was trying to do, yes

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aliby:

by changing channels

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aliby:

is there something else I have to do instead?

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aliby:

or a way to force a tuner change?

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kormoc:

there is a key for it, yes

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aliby:

it's c, usually, right?

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kormoc:

no idea bout that

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TalibJayid:

kormoc: can you help me plz

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squish102:

is it not y?

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aliby:

hm

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aliby:

now it wont let me stop the recording

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aliby:

haha

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squish102:

is there any reason not to install amd 64 bit OS on an amd64 chip?

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squish102:

or is that only a windows thing?

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** kormoc blinks **

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squish102:

64 bit OS's in windows is a nono

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kormoc:

I run x86_64 just fine

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kormoc:

squish102, I don't think so personally...

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squish102:

ok, i was not sure if linux had similar 64 bit issues

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kormoc:

TalibJayid, there's nothing I can really do

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TalibJayid:

?

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aliby:

kormoc it wont let me switch tuners either

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aliby:

when not recording

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TalibJayid:

kormoc: can y ou use pulseaudio with myth?

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PaulWay:

squish102: no, 64-bit runs fine under Linux.

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toorima:

isn't y to change tuner?

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aliby:

tried it

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aliby:

it doesnt do anything

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toorima:

y works for me as long as i dont do pip

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aliby:

hmm

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aliby:

it wont switch tuners

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toorima:

pvr500?

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toorima:

only?

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toorima:

what happens if u start a recording, exit out and go back into live tv? it should use the other tuner

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aliby:

toorima it tells me all tuners are in use

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aliby:

there we go

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aliby:

its working now

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toorima:

nince

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toorima:

nice

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aliby:

woohoo!

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aliby:

but I cant stop the recordings now

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aliby:

lol

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toorima:

sure u can, either in mythweb or manage recordings somewhere

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toorima:

not at home now so cant check

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TalibJayid:

GreyFoxx: did you mean only in playback profiles to disable gl?

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aliby:

is there an easy way to tell mythtv to only record a new episode of a show and not a rerun?

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PaulWay:

aliby: normally it does that automatically – for me at least.

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PaulWay:

As long as the title and subtitle are the same.

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aliby:

alright

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aliby:

thanks

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aliby:

i just found it in mythweb too

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PaulWay:

There may be some setting in the recording that says to ignore this, but I think you have to specifically turn that off.

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aliby:

PaulWay and I didnt mean to record an already recorded show. I meant to check to see if the show is a rerun or not and then not record it if so

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wagner_:

aliby: you can set it to record only shows not previously recorded

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wagner_:

however i dont believe there is a way to only record shows released after a certain date

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PaulWay:

aliby: Oh, I see. So you haven't recorded the previous showing.

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aliby:

mythweb has a filter to: record new episodes only

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wagner_:

to be honest, i dont know why you wouldnt be able to schedule that way, considering mythweb has a canned search for new shows

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aliby:

wagner_ I got it set up that way now

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wagner_:

right, thats the default, but i dont think there is a way to get it how you want

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aliby:

i select record at any time on any channel, then select the filter to only record new episodes

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wagner_:

so 'new episodes only' does it?

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aliby:

yes

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aliby:

i believe so

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aliby:

I am only seeing the secheduled ones for this/next week though

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aliby:

but thats because I don't have guide data out past 2 weeks

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kormoc:

wagner_, yes, Schedules Direct has a flag for original airdate, New Episodes are shows with the same orig airdate as the showing date

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wagner_:

good to know

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TelnetManta:

Does anyone know if anything special has to be done with a remote frontend to be able to access video artwork on the backend?????

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aliby:

wagner_ I just tried it with a show (Law and Order) which runs in one hour. It found tonights episode and next week's

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kormoc:

TelnetManta, video artwork is stored on the frontends

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GreyFoxx:

teln: I have mythvideo store videocovers in a directory just under my mythtv recordings, whcih I nfs mount to all frontends so it's available on all machines

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wagner_:

aliby: yeah, upcoming recordings for old versions of stargate turned off after that

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aliby:

hm

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aliby:

good to know :)

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GreyFoxx:

/data/mythtv/videocovers, and /data/mythtv gets mounted to all fe's

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TelnetManta:

kormoc: hmm but my videos are on the backend?

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GreyFoxx:

I do the same for channel icons

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TelnetManta:

oh, so I need to do the search from the frontend then

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wagner_:

the videos may be on the backend, but they should be available on the file system of the frontend

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TelnetManta:

kormoc: but when I go into video manager on the frontend I get a message that the video is missing.

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TelnetManta:

wagner_: okay, I dont think I understand this.

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TelnetManta:

I better go google.

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wagner_:

right, because you havent made them available, through NFS, AFS, samba, or anything of the like...

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wagner_:

where are your videos stored?

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GreyFoxx:

telnet: mythtv does NOT use the mythprotocol for feeding mythvideo videos to the frontend like it does recordings

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GreyFoxx:

so you need to make the videos available to FE filesystem

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TelnetManta:

wagner_: I guess I thought it would work via the myth communication protocol. I dunno

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TelnetManta:

I just got around to setting this up. I used to have a combo be/fe and this wanst an issue.

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wagner_:

i remember some rumors about changing mythvideo to acquire video over upnp, but that hasnt been implemented yet

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TelnetManta:

guess its time to look for some kind of guide

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wagner_:

basically, wherever your videos are located on the backend, use samba or nfs to make the available in the same location on the frontend

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GreyFoxx:

wag: the talk was about using storagegroups to let you pull them via the mythprotcol

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wagner_:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

I've spent a few minutes on it and played test videos that way

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GreyFoxx:

but it's nowhere near commitable

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PaulWay:

Does anyone know the whereabouts of Chris Pascoe, the maintainer of the DViCO tuner card code?

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PaulWay:

Works at University of Queensland in ITEE.

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famicom:

eh

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famicom:

I'm trying to export my customized channel listing and frequencies

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wagner_:

after setting things to 'new episodes only', my upcoming recordings shrunk significantly

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aliby:

:)

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wagner_:

i would be nice if the canned searches would only show one copy of each result

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wagner_:

rather than placing them at each point they were found

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wagner_:

like if a movie is going to be played half a dozen times over the next week

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kormoc:

wagner_, sort by title?

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wagner_:

like in mythweb, ill do a canned search for movies

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wagner_:

nearly every movie in the list appears more than once

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kormoc:

sure, but if you sort by title, they're at least together in a single block

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wagner_:

i suppose that works

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wagner_:

nevermind, that way it does only list things once

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kormoc:

it chouldn't

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kormoc:

*shouldn't

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wagner_:

it will show it once for each channel its on

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kormoc:

hrm

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wagner_:

if its only on one channel, it will only appear once, and will simply list all the occurances

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kormoc:

ahh, so it does

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wagner_:

where is recorder priority? is that in mythtv-setup?

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kormoc:

yes

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wagner_:

i forgot to prioritize my ATSC tuner when i installed it

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wagner_:

and my cable duplicates the local channels

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wagner_:

ok, that did it

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pat__:

hello, is no sound with dvb recordings under mythtv 0.21 a bug in mythtv or a bug in vlc and other players? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/332932 http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=14& . . . 53461#p53461

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pat__:

I'm all out of ideas

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wagner_:

dvb recordings are effectively a stream copy

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wagner_:

theres no processing or encoding to be done

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pat__:

wagner_: it used to work with mythtv 0.20.2-fixes

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pat__:

(and still does)

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wagner_:

huh...

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wagner_:

same machine, same hardware, same software except for mythtv, and the version makes a difference?

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pat__:

recordings from the same stations have sound from my 0.20.2 box, but from my test 0.21 box there is no sound when using vlc

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pat__:

same tv tuners

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wagner_:

same copy of vlc, or are you trying it on different machines?

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pat__:

same copy of vlc

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pat__:

and same version on multiple machines

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wagner_:

well i mean unless you installed a binary, it could be different

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pat__:

same installer file

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pat__:

I've had two other people confirm that they have no sound for dvb recordings when played back with vlc with mythtv 0.21

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pat__:

seems odd, I just wonder if many people have this problem or it is just a select few

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wagner_:

ok... copying a recording over to my windows box, and then ill test it

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pat__:

cool, thanks

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wagner_:

had to figure out what the name was

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pat__:

I'm guessing if I transcode it to xvid like I usually do the problem would go away

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pembo13_com:

i changed the video card on a mythfrontend box of mine

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pembo13_com:

same resolution as before

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pembo13_com:

already had to delete the theme cache since it was causing probs

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pembo13_com:

now i am seeing that all my recordings are being played back very washed out

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pembo13_com:

or probably just with extreme contrast

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pembo13_com:

both tv recordings from the backend

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pembo13_com:

and regular avis

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wagner_:

deleting the theme wouldnt make any difference

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wagner_:

the card just outputs video differently

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pat__:

same physical connection to the tv?

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pembo13_com:

wagner_, delete the theme cache fixed the first prob

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pembo13_com:

pat__, yes

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pembo13_com:

pat__, the frontend ui is perfect

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pat__:

wagner_: the thing to not is that not all of my recordings have no sound, only about 95% of them have no sound

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pat__:

s/not/note/

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pembo13_com:

wagner_, the cache was a problem

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pembo13_com:

wagner_, not sure what to do with this contrast problem now

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wagner_:

the cache only affects the ui, it should have no bearing on video playback

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pat__:

pembo13_com: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-209986.html <-- does that help you? (mordox has a post)

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pembo13_com:

wagner_, agreed... i did not claim it was related to the playback issue

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wagner_:

if its an nvidia card, look into whats available in nvidia-settings

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pembo13_com:

wagner_, the UI color is fine, the playback color is the issue

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pembo13_com:

nvidia settings would change everything

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wagner_:

on windows, there are different settings for video playback

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pat__:

xvattr is probably your friend

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wagner_:

also, the ui may just be using colors that work fine

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pembo13_com:

pat__, that describes my issue, will try the fix

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tonyr1988:

I'm attempting to access MythWeb through my cell phone's browser, but it times out. I can access it from another computer on a different network. I've tried using the DynDNS URL, as well as a straight IP address. It works perfect when done on a computer, but not my phone. I don't know where to start...

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pembo13_com:

wagner_, the only thing that looks bad are the video play back, GDM, fluxbox, bootup, everything else is ok

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wagner_:

so in other words, some things look fine, others dont, and its completely independent of video playback

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wagner_:

tonyr1988: other network implies outside of your firewall/router?

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pembo13_com:

wagner_, hmm... i would descrivbe it as the only thing that doesn't look fine is video playback

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pembo13_com:

pat__, well my depth is at 24

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tonyr1988:

wagner_: Yes. That's all set up fine I think. My iptables is set, my router automatically updates DynDNS (and redirects port 20 to this box)...Would I need to set other ports to redirect?

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wagner_:

port 20, or port 80?

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tonyr1988:

wagner_: Sorry – port 80.

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tonyr1988:

wagner_: I always downloaded Firefox's User Agent Switcher, and set it to pretend that it was my phone's browser. It worked fine – loading MythWeb's "cell phone" template.

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tonyr1988:

wagner_: My phone can access any other website I have tried, except this.

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pat__:

tonyr1988: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythWeb# . . . when_secured

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pat__:

?

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pat__:

does that fit?

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tonyr1988:

pat__: I'll try it. I should add, though, that I'm not initially going straight into MythWeb. I have a small HTML page with 2 simple <a> links (one to MythWeb, and one to my torrent's web interface), which isn't secured. My phone won't even go there.

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pembo13_com:

alll the fixes for the contrast are for xine.. no mention of mplayer or mythtv

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wagner_:

i tried a dvb recording in vlc (in windows) and it worked fine

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pat__:

tonyr1988: so no web pages from that server will load on your phone

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wagner_:

was it just vlc, or did it have problems in other players?

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pat__:

windows media looked like it played it

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pat__:

but it would jump random amounts at random times

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pat__:

so a 30 minute recording would be over in 5 minutes

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tonyr1988:

pat__: Nope, it doesn't seem that anything will. (I'm brand new at phone surfing, so I may be missing something obvious – I didn't even know what WAP was before...)

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wagner_:

is it possible you have a poor signal, and .20.2 handled that differently than .21?

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pat__:

wagner_: reception is pretty good, no dropouts at all

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tonyr1988:

pat__ wagner_: I completely disabled the firewall on my Mythbox, and it still doesn't work, so I'm assuming that isn't the problem?

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pat__:

always crystal reception no pops or clicks

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pat__:

tonyr1988: can you access those same pages remotely with a normal web browser?

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pat__:

wagner_: it is possible, but I think unlikely that reception is the problem

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wagner_:

do you run anything like peerguardian, or other auto-blacklist on your firewall?

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pat__:

wagner_: two other people that I know of can verify the problem

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pembo13_com:

how do i manually change the brightness of the video and tv playback?

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tonyr1988:

pat__: I'm almost positive that I've been on other networks in the past and been able to access it fine. Then again, I've made a bunch of changes. Let me try that right now – I'll log back in in a second.

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tonyr1988:

Thanks for the help, pat__ and wagner_

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pat__:

pembo13_com: the very last post on that page didn't help you either?

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pat__:

it uses xvattr to manually change the video playback contrast/etc...

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wagner_:

if you change those settings on your tv to improve video, does it make the ui look bad?

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tonyr1988:

pat__: Well, I can't check it right now – my neighbor's got an unsecured WiFi network, but his Internet is down for now. :P

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pembo13_com:

pat__, i will try it.. but that's more of hack than a fix

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pembo13_com:

wagner_, very much so... and it makes the regular tv funcitonality way too dark

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pat__:

pembo13_com: something may have screwed it up on you at some stage, maybe?

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pembo13_com:

pat__, possibly, all i did was swithch from an nvidia agp card to the emded intel card

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pembo13_com:

i had one problem with the theme

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pembo13_com:

deleting the cache fixed it

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pembo13_com:

this is the only other problem so far

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wagner_:

is this VGA, DVI, or composite?

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pembo13_com:

wagner_, VGA

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pembo13_com:

i should have mentioned that before

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pembo13_com:

VGA running at 1280x1024@60

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pat__:

tonyr1988: can you use something like netcraft.com to check your webserver is running properly?

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wagner_:

so this is on a monitor, rather than a tv

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tonyr1988:

pat__: Maybe – never used netcraft before. :)

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pembo13_com:

wagner_, it's on a cheapish LCD monitor pretending to be a tv... (it's sold and marketted as a tv)

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pembo13_com:

Maxtrox 26"

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pat__:

tonyr1988: I guess you could use any remote portscanning thingo

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wagner_:

tonyr1988: alternatively you can use TOR access your machine from outside

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tonyr1988:

I entered my DynDNS URL into Netcraft, and it outputted a report.

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tonyr1988:

pat__: The above was for you. :)

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tonyr1988:

pat__: It has the correct IP address and everything.

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tonyr1988:

wagner_: Is TOR easy to use?

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wagner_:

not particularly

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wagner_:

but there is some firefox plugin to automatically set it up to use tor

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pat__:

72.202.198.205

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pat__:

?

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wagner_:

as long as tor is actually working

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pat__:

because I can't connect to it on port 80

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tonyr1988:

pat__: Yeah – well poo...there's my problem. How do I fix it?

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tonyr1988:

pat__: (Please don't haxx0r me....right now, my firewall is completely turned off, and nothing is secured :P)

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pat__:

depending on your modem/firewall thing

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tonyr1988:

pat__: I'm using the Linksys WRT54G

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tonyr1988:

I thought I set it up correctly.

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pat__:

sometimes you have to save settings and reboot your router for them to take effect, I'm not familiar with the wrt54g

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wagner_:

whenever you change something on the 54g that needs rebooting, it does so automatically

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tonyr1988:

pat__: Yeah, I've done that. I set Port Range to redirect port 80 to my desktop's IP (I've verified the IP address), and it's enabled. I just rebooted a few hours ago (made these changes a long time ago).

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devicenull:

hey would 100mbs lan be enough to stream video via smb?

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pat__:

devicenull: yes, more than enough

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wagner_:

theoretically, yes

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wagner_:

youre not going to get any video thats more than ~20mbps

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devicenull:

ok, before I start poking at this.. I was hoping to setup mythtv to be able to access the content on my windows box.. I'm assuming that this would be possible eithout much changes to mythtv (other then setting the correct directories)?

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pat__:

tonyr1988: I'm guessing you've got the ip of the internal box wrong

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pat__:

tonyr1988: port 80 is open on your outward facing firewall

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tonyr1988:

pat__: Well, that's what I thought. But I can SSH into it just fine, using the address I gave my router.

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pat__:

hmm

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pat__:

devicenull: most remote frontends connect via 100mbit I'd reckon

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tonyr1988:

pat__: I'm using Mythbuntu Gusty, if that matters. Most of the settings are the default ones. I'm assuming it doesn't matter, though...

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devicenull:

well hey, I have the gigabit router sitting right here so I could use that if I needed to

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wagner_:

damned blackhole systems... nmap takes so long to run

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tonyr1988:

pat__: Can you tell me if my port 22 is open? I just forwarded it...I doubt it has anything to do specifically with 80, but it's worth a shot....

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wagner_:

22 is open, ssh is accessible

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wagner_:

your provider may be blocking port 80 intentionally

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tonyr1988:

wagner_: Can I change my HTTP port?

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wagner_:

yeah, instead of forwarding port 80 to port 80, forward port 100 or something

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tonyr1988:

wagner_: Is there a way to "map" 100 to 80 on my computer, or should I do something to change the HTTP port on my desktop?

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wagner_:

well, you can tell apache to listen on port 100

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tonyr1988:

wagner_: Simple?

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wagner_:

very

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tonyr1988:

wagner_: Sweet. I'm SSHed in and ready to go...

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wagner_:

open up your httpd.conf file

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wagner_:

there should be some line at the top that says 'Listen ...<something>'

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tonyr1988:

My httpd.conf file is completely empty.

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wagner_:

change the ':80' to something else

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wagner_:

and reboot

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tonyr1988:

It's /etc/apache2/httpd.conf, right?

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wagner_:

its empty, and mythweb works inside your network?

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pat__:

or /etc/init.d/apache2 restart

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tonyr1988:

Yup

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** kormoc shakes his head at wagner_... reboot... **

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tonyr1988:

lol

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wagner_:

well i meant reboot apache

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wagner_:

poor choice of words

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tonyr1988:

Yeah, I gotcha.

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tonyr1988:

Should I add a Listen... line?

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leprechau:

so...on the mythweb interface...are you supposed to flag commercials first...or transcode first

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leprechau:

or does it matter?

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wagner_:

there needs to be a listen line, apache doesnt function without one

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wagner_:

if you dont have one, youre looking at the wrong file

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tonyr1988:

wagner_: *twilight zone theme song*

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leprechau:

anyone know?

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wagner_:

never transcoded anything

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tonyr1988:

wagner_: http://pastebin.com/d3d9df56c

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tonyr1988:

wagner_: http://pastebin.com/d4f7d85ff

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wagner_:

what distro are you using?

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tonyr1988:

wagner_: Mythbuntu

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tonyr1988:

wagner_: It auto-installed and config'd Mythweb for me, so I have no idea what it has done.

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pat__:

on my router I can forward any port to any other port

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pat__:

so maybe that's a simpler option

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wagner_:

yeah, not knowing why he has an empty config file, thats faster

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wagner_:

plus, you wont have to specify the port when accessing it internally

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tonyr1988:

I have "Port Triggering," but it doesn't seem to be what I need.

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tonyr1988:

I set Triggered Range to 100–100, and Forwarded Range to 80–80.

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tonyr1988:

I can't access IP:100, even internally.

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wagner_:

port triggering means that when youre using port 100, port 80 is now accessible

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wagner_:

thats absolutely not what you want

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kormoc:

tonyr1988, port triggering is, when someing access port 100 outbound, it will enable port 80 inbound

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wagner_:

it should just be 'port forwarding'

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wagner_:

there should be a whole tab dedicated to it, probably right next to the triggering tab

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tonyr1988:

I have "Port Range Forward"

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tonyr1988:

I've been using that the entire time, though.

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tonyr1988:

It has Application, Start, End, Protocol, IP Address, and Enable.

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kormoc:

that'd be correct

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tonyr1988:

I have MythWeb, 80, 80, Both, {internal IP}, Enabled

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wagner_:

change it to 100, 80

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tonyr1988:

Error: "End port is smaller than start port"

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kormoc:

(Streaming won't work if you port masq btw)

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wagner_:

oh... no, you want single port forwarding, not range

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kormoc:

some routers won't do port masquerading

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wagner_:

ive got a 54g, it does port masquerading

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wagner_:

huh... maybe it doesnt

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wagner_:

ive used dd-wrt for so long, i dont remember the original capabilities

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tonyr1988:

wagner_: lol, I seriously thought about doing the dd-wrt, but I couldn't afford to risk it.

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wagner_:

i ended up using it to turn my router into an access point

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wagner_:

ive got a dedicated machine acting as a firewall/router

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tonyr1988:

Well, I'm messing with the httpd.conf solution....it's not wanting to restart apache, complaining that line 29 has a problem

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tonyr1988:

ServerRoot ""

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tonyr1988:

What should it be pointing to?

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tonyr1988:

/etc/apache2?

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wagner_:

should be /usr or /usr/local

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JohnMahowald:

Look up the default for whatever distro you're using

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wagner_:

whatever the PREFIX was when installing it

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wagner_:

i think most linuxes use /usr

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tonyr1988:

http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DistrosDefaultLa . . . ff35d508ced1

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tonyr1988:

Is that what I need?

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JohnMahowald:

ServerRoot is not necessarily PREFIX

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JohnMahowald:

If using Ubuntu yes

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wagner_:

somehow, i dont have a server root on mine

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JohnMahowald:

Ubuntu support's a great place to ask httpd questions

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tonyr1988:

I'm slowly fixing problems with my httpd, getting through various errors :P

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tonyr1988:

http://pastebin.com/d51baeeb

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wagner_:

use your hostname or (internal) ip address

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tonyr1988:

Where does it go?

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wagner_:

if you use a hostname, it has to resolve to an address through your dns server or hosts file

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wagner_:

its in the httpd.conf file

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wagner_:

should be near the top

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tonyr1988:

Am I looking for hostname?

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wagner_:

the line should end up 'ServerName <internal IP address>'

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tonyr1988:

Ah – it was commented out.

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tonyr1988:

It still fails to start apache...:(

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wagner_:

using the IP address will work fine internally

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wagner_:

but you may have some problems streaming things externally

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tonyr1988:

Ah man.

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wagner_:

its fine for now

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tonyr1988:

Okay.

[05:15:16]

wagner_:

basic serving will work just fine

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tonyr1988:

I'd like to eventually stream :P

[05:15:37]

wagner_:

but serving music and video may not, depending on how the page scripts are set up

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tonyr1988:

This is my new error, which means absolutely nothing to me.

[05:16:03]

tonyr1988:

http://pastebin.com/d34332aae

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wagner_:

when you did that locate thing, it found two files

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wagner_:

as far as i can tell, its loading the first file

[05:17:52]

wagner_:

and the supplimenting it what whatever is in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf

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tonyr1988:

The second one was a *.gz file holding a sample httpd file.

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wagner_:

thats the only reason i can think of that it would load things twice

[05:18:26]

wagner_:

it wouldnt be loading a .gz file, so that idea is wrong

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tonyr1988:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2914782&postcount=7

[05:18:55]

tonyr1988:

Could that be the reason I had a blank httpd.conf file?

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tonyr1988:

(I copied the "sample" over my blank one, and made changes as errors occurred)

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devicenull:

so I have a directory mounted via smbfs.. How do I tell mythtv to look in it for content? I tried adding it via mythtv-setup, but that doesnt seem to have done anything

[05:20:19]

devicenull:

if it helps, the format is "showname/season X/filename"

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psm321:

hi

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linux_jones:

hello, i have been having alot of trouble with the mysql part of the mythtv install on debian etch, seem to be getting alot of "cannot login to database errors

[05:20:45]

psm321:

where can i find info on how to setup config.xml?

[05:20:56]

tonyr1988:

wagner_: I think I may have gotten it working. I blanked out httpd.conf again. There's a "ports.conf" that had my "Listen 80" line. I changed it to "Listen 100," and restarted apache successfully. Port 100 is redirected. Can you check and see if it works on your end?

[05:22:26]

wagner_:

devicenull: you need to install mythvideo, and then go into utilities/setup --> setup --> media settings --> video settings

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psm321:

as far as i can tell from google snippets it looks like one should have been created automatically at some point? but i dont have one... possibly because i've been upgrading from a version before it existed

[05:22:37]

wagner_:

tonyr1988: still no response

[05:22:53]

wagner_:

psm321: config.xml?

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devicenull:

ah

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tonyr1988:

wagner_: Yeah, it's not working internally, either...

[05:23:12]

tonyr1988:

wagner_: But it still works on port 80 internally.....

[05:23:15]

wagner_:

linux_jones: can you log into the server manually as root?

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psm321:

wagner_: yeah

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psm321:

i found it though

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psm321:

well an example

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psm321:

in contrib

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wagner_:

what is config.xml

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wagner_:

ah.. ~/,mythtv/config.xml

[05:24:39]

wagner_:

yeah, that should be generated automatically

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linux_jones:

wagner_, when i try sudo mysql it says access denied, but it also says its not trying a password, and i do remember specifcally changing the password, im sorry ut i know nothing at all about mysql, is there a command line option to use a password?

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tonyr1988:

wagner_: Can you try one more time? I forgot that I turned my firewall back on, so it was blocking 100

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famicom:

ugh

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famicom:

goddammn segfaults are driving me nuts

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wagner_:

tonyr1988: looks good

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tonyr1988:

wagner_: Beautiful. Thanks a ton for your help.

[05:25:57]

tonyr1988:

wagner_: If I see you starting to delete all my files, I'm unplugging it from the wall. :P

[05:26:08]

wagner_:

linux_jones: if you never set a password, there should be no password. you can just do 'mysql -uroot' as any user, you dont have to sudo

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linux_jones:

wagner_, but i did set a password, so i tried the -uroot to see if it would work and still no :(

[05:27:30]

wagner_:

if you have set a password, do 'mysql -uroot -p'

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linux_jones:

wagner_, ok yes that did work

[05:28:10]

wagner_:

any account with a password, you must use the '-p' option or else it will complain about a failed password

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wagner_:

was that the error, or was it errors within mythtv

[05:29:02]

devicenull:

what would be that cause of what seems to be video lag just when in mythtv?

[05:29:28]

wagner_:

video lag? as in mythtv playing video a few seconds behind what is actually being broadcast?

[05:30:17]

linux_jones:

wagner_, both,but more importiant now with configuring the database connection within mythtv it says it cannot connect, with the same error, access denied, but there it is trying a password, so my guess is there is no mythtv user for mysql, does that make sense?

[05:30:19]

wagner_:

or mythvideo studders on playback

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adante:

anybody use the dsmyth filters for windows?

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devicenull:

nah, I press a key on the keyboard, it tkaes a second for the GUI to register that I moved

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devicenull:

I press up, and theres a lag of a second or two before it moves up

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wagner_:

adante: i used to, but as far as i know, the dsmyth filters dont work with the latest version of mythprotocol

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wagner_:

linux_jones: you have to create the mythtv user in mysql, there isnt one automatically generated

[05:31:52]

wagner_:

do you have the mythconverg table already created?

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wagner_:

devicenull: not sure what would cause that. i notice that slightly on my remote, but not if im using a keyboard directly

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linux_jones:

wagner_, probobialy not, all i have done thus far is apt-get install the mysql and myth tv, and then when i was trying to run the mythfrontend it kept giving me connection errors, so i jumped on here trying to get help after a quick google search on mythtv on debian didnt help to much

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adante:

wagner_: protocol? or do you mean codecs

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linux_jones:

wagner_, i havnt really done anythng to mysql, am i going to have to learn a lot of that stuff?

[05:34:24]

wagner_:

mythprotocol. thats what is used to stream the video off the backend, i think theyre up to version 40 now

[05:34:34]

wagner_:

last i checked, dsmyth was only using version 20-something

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linux_jones:

wagner_, you seem to be the man in this channel

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wagner_:

linux_jones: there should be some .sql files that came with the package

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noaXess:

hi all..

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wagner_:

more im just the only one awake at the moment

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linux_jones:

wagner_, so i find those, and then what?

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wagner_:

i dont remember what the name is, but you need to do something like 'mysql -uroot -p < file.sql'

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devicenull:

hmm

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wagner_:

that will generate the mythconverg table

[05:36:00]

noaXess:

i'm new in mythtv.. my problem is, that i can't watch tv.. or play any video.. i think its a simple thing.. have read/test some solution from forum/internet.. but nothing helps..

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devicenull:

I'll have to see when I finally get around to setting up the remote

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wagner_:

then you have to give access to it

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noaXess:

the user is in the mythtv group, here the error in the mythtvbackend.log: http://pastebin.com/m3bf0c132

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wagner_:

"grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'*' identified by '<enter password here>'"

[05:37:19]

wagner_:

you need to then put that data into ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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wagner_:

then you can start doing the mythtv-setup, running the backend, and running the frontend

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linux_jones:

wagner_, in /etc/mythth there is a mysql.txt. is that what you mean?

[05:38:05]

wagner_:

that could be the one you want

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wagner_:

apt-get... are you using debian?

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linux_jones:

yes

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noaXess:

my system: http://pastebin.com/d7f63ef1d

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wagner_:

this should walk you through most of the details, 'http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php?Installi . . . Debian_Etch'

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devicenull:

it's really not that hard, I went from nothing to debian etch + mythtv in ~1.5 hrs

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wagner_:

noaXess: seems youre running the backend as a user without file access to anything

[05:41:16]

noaXess:

wagner_: hm.. just installed it from the mythubuntu 8.04 distro.. and create a normal user tv, with pwd tv..

[05:41:47]

wagner_:

the user youre running as needs write access to /dev/v4l

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noaXess:

wagner_: hm.. i don't think so..

[05:42:03]

wagner_:

user tv should have write access to /home/tv

[05:42:08]

wagner_:

but it doesnt seem to

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noaXess:

wagner_: user tv has write access.. cause i created the folders mythTV/LiveTV with this user..

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noaXess:

wagner_: there is no /dev/v4l

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noaXess:

just /dev/video0/1

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devicenull:

wow.. I think I need some better quality video files

[05:43:48]

devicenull:

hooked up via vga and these look terrible

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noaXess:

wagner_: my lsmod: http://pastebin.com/d48786f4b

[05:43:56]

wagner_:

so youre using a tuner that doesnt run through v4l. does tv have write access to /dev/video0?

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noaXess:

ls -l: http://pastebin.com/d1b2e6a59

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clever:

yes all my recordings look like shit on vga

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linux_jones:

wagner_, thats actually what i used to set it up thus far, i tried this once before a few months ago and didnt get this far, i just tried that <mysql.txt. thing and it said there was an error in the sql syntax, i can pastebin the contents of the file if you think that might help

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clever:

yet seem perfectly fine on tvout

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noaXess:

the tv user is in the video group.. and that group has some access

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noaXess:

rw access

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wagner_:

linux_jones: the mysql.txt tells mythtv how to access the sql server. it is not the file you give to the sql server

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noaXess:

and here is my mythtvfrontend.log if i start watching tv: http://pastebin.com/d54e84059

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wagner_:

noaXess: ...huh...

[05:46:32]

noaXess:

i have also set tv playback to SLIM

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noaXess:

where to so, under which user does the backend starts?

[05:47:21]

wagner_:

well somewhere along the chain, something does not have file access

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wagner_:

if its not the recording location, or the recorder dev nodes, i dont know what it is

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noaXess:

here's a ps aux: http://pastebin.com/df55410c

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noaXess:

seems all ok, or not?

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wagner_:

nothing seems wrong there

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noaXess:

wagner_: where are the config files?

[05:50:30]

wagner_:

mine are in ~/.mythtv

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linux_jones:

wagner_, so i have to find a .sql file somewhere to do all of that jazz to?

[05:50:39]

wagner_:

but different distros put them different places

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wagner_:

try there, try /etc/config

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noaXess:

wagner_: mine too in .mythtv

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noaXess:

what config you need to check? the config.xml?

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wagner_:

noaXess: the only thing ive ever touched in there is mysql.txt

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wagner_:

linux_jones: check out the 'additional and optional mythtv system configuration'

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noaXess:

hm.. yeah but the db connections seems to be okay..

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wagner_:

the file you should need is /usr/share/mythtv/mc.sql

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wagner_:

yeah, if the db was having issues, mythtv would barf its guts. nothing would run

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noaXess:

jep

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noaXess:

the thing is, that the file /home/tv/mythTV/LiveTV/1000_20080507075252.nuv never been created, cause it can't..

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noaXess:

and then all failed

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wagner_:

the only reason that wouldnt be created is if for whatever reason, either youre not running as user 'tv', or user 'tv' does not have access to that directory

[05:55:38]

wagner_:

even if it couldnt access the tuner, it should have at least created an empty file

[05:56:14]

wagner_:

from the ps output, youre using the system init scripts

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wagner_:

try running the backend manually

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linux_jones:

wagner_, and now i dont remember, and my history for irc does not go back that far, after i do that, and it worked wonderfully by the way, thank you, is there anything else i ned to do aside from the mythtv conf and then run the front end?

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noaXess:

wagner_: manualy as user tv?

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noaXess:

or sudo?

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wagner_:

manually as user tv

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noaXess:

wagner_: whit this command: /usr/bin/mythbackend --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid

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wagner_:

linux_jones: you dump that file into mysql to create the database, create the user access within mysql, set up mysql.txt, and then run through mysql-setup

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wagner_:

just do /usr/bin/mythbackend

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wagner_:

run it in the foreground

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noaXess:

aha.. one thing.. to kill the running mythtvbackend i needed sudo killall mythtvbackend.. hm..

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linux_jones:

wagner_, should i look up a mysql how to for the creating the mythtv user in mysql? like i said, i have never even touched mysql before

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noaXess:

here is the output if i run mythtvbackend manualy: http://pastebin.com/d225f905a

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wagner_:

noaXess: i looked at the 'ps' output again, the init scripts are running mythbackend as user 'mythtv' rather than use 'tv'

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noaXess:

wagner_: yes..

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wagner_:

"grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'*' identified by '<enter password here>'"

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linux_jones:

wagner_, but where do i put all that jive?

[06:01:14]

wagner_:

from within mysql

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wagner_:

'mysql -uroot -p'

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linux_jones:

wagner_, that was going to be my next question, and do i replace the *'s with "localhost"?

[06:02:27]

wagner_:

if everything is being run on one machine, yes

[06:02:35]

wagner_:

otherwise you may want to be less restrictive

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wagner_:

i use '10.254.*' for my network

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wagner_:

you can run the command multiple times and put a specific machine name in for each

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linux_jones:

when i do that i get anothe line tabbed with -> at the begenning

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wagner_:

sorry, you need to end every mysql command with a ';'

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wagner_:

otherwise it thinks youre still going

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linux_jones:

ok, i did all that, and then ran mythbackend in the forground, and it says connected to database, and has stopped there, is that normal?

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wagner_:

yes, the backend is just a command line app

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wagner_:

run the frontend and see what you get

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noaXess:

wagner_: have you seen the output if i run mythbackend manually? http://pastebin.com/d225f905a

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linux_jones:

this is a pretty old computer, i hope this works

[06:08:36]

** linux_jones crosses fingers **

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wagner_:

well the errors are a little disconcerting, but at least theres not file permission problems

[06:09:59]

wagner_:

did live tv work with the backend running?

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noaXess:

wagner_: now.. the mythfrontend will stopp responding an crash

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wagner_:

oh fun!

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noaXess:

whats about this: Channel(/dev/video0) Error: SetInputAndFormat(1, PAL) while setting input (v4l v2) eno: Invalid argument (22)

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noaXess:

can that be a problem that LiveTV can't run correctly?

[06:11:42]

noaXess:

i'm in switzerland.. in think PAL is the right tv.norm

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wagner_:

PAL is typical for europe, NTSC is americas and japan

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wagner_:

not sure why it would be complaining though

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noaXess:

what about PAL-BG and PAL-N?

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Ra^:

I thought Japan used SECAM?

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wagner_:

seems they do, i thought there was some NTSC-J variant but i guess not

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linux_jones:

wagner_, ok, so everything seems to be working but when i try to watch tv, the screen just flashes and then goes back to the menu, do i have to do the channel scan before it will work? and is there anything else i have to do before viewing?

[06:15:01]

wagner_:

actually no, japan is NTSC

[06:15:23]

wagner_:

linux_jones: yes, go through each step in mythtv-setup

[06:15:44]

wagner_:

if you dont have a schedulesdirect account, just do a channel scan

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wagner_:

SECAM is a french standard

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linux_jones:

is a schedulesdirect account free?

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wagner_:

no, $20/year

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Ra^:

yeah, France and quite a few other countries. More than I thought

[06:17:00]

wagner_:

i think they have a free trial

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Ra^:

linux_jones, you can get a free trial, but that's about it

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wagner_:

Ra^: wikipedia has a chart up on use. russia and friends, france, and western africa

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Ra^:

yup. Reading up on it now

[06:18:06]

Ra^:

haven't read up on stuff like that in years

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wagner_:

PAL-N is a special format used in paraguay and uruguay, not something you have to worry about

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linux_jones:

so i should not be worried if ythfilldatabase does not work?

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wagner_:

western europe uses standards B ang G

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noaXess:

wagner_: if i exit th mythtv-setup the the mythbackend will started with user mythtv.. can i change that?

[06:19:15]

wagner_:

mythfilldatabase will not work unless you have a schedules direct account, or alternate xmltv setup

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wagner_:

mythtv-setup shouldnt run anything when it closes

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wagner_:

and you should be able to change the user mythbackend runs as within your distro's startup scripts

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wagner_:

i have no idea how those function

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linux_jones:

so when i run the front end, and hit the watch tv button, the screen goes black, and nothing happens, im pretty sure thats a problem right

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wagner_:

its because mythtv is not set up to use any inputs properly

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wagner_:

or if it is, the inputs themselves arent working properly

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noaXess:

linux_jones: i think we have a same problem..

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linux_jones:

so re-run the setup, and go to the inputs tab

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nick_fn:

My .21 installation (Debian), which did work fine, is now failing to record anything – the mythfrontend says everything for the last few days is missing.

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linux_jones:

and when i scan for channels it finds them, or where there are not channels it does not, so that leads me to believe that it is working right?

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nick_fn:

I did optimize_mythdb.pl last night; but didn't restart the backend. Last nights recordings also didn't get saved, so I'll restart the backend now. Is there anything else I should try?

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linux_jones:

i get stuck inside the inut priority field, is there a way out of this without ctrl+alt+backspacing?

[06:29:30]

wagner_:

ive been tired for the last three hours... im going to bed

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kormoc:

arrow up/down or left/right or escape?

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wagner_:

linux_jones: i dont know why it would get caught there. up/down or escape should get out of it

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wagner_:

and if nothing else, you can switch to a new terminal (shift+alt+f2) and kill the process

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wagner_:

night

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linux_jones:

night, and thanks for the help

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JDStone:

I got this error in MythWeb: Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 16 bytes) in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/tv/search.php on line 348

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JDStone:

what does that mean?

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kormoc:

it means the search you tried to run had too many results for the memory size you limited php to

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JDStone:

how do I increase it

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JDStone:

php.ini is set to 128MB

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JDStone:

memory limit

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kormoc:

restart apache after making that change

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JDStone:

i did

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kormoc:

you sure you changed the correct php.ini file? sometimes there's more then one

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** Penfold seems to remember someone else with the same problem a couple of days ago. **

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Penfold:

JDStone: you using mythbuntu perchance?

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JDStone:

kormoc: I changed all of them

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JDStone:

Penfold: I'm using Ubuntu, but it is not Mythbuntu

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xris:

kormoc: apache mythweb.conf has its own override..

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JDStone:

I set up MythTV from scratch way back when on 6.10

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xris:

JDStone: look in the mythweb.conf that came with your package.

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kormoc:

xris, ahh

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JDStone:

or whatever came before 7.04

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JDStone:

oh, i'll check

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JDStone:

ahh, found it

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JDStone:

thanks

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linux_jones:

im still having problems with the input i guess, when ever i go t watch tv, the screen goes blank for a few seconds and the goes back to the main menu

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nick_fn:

The restart didn't help; and my mythbackend is claiming to be recording, but it's not actually writing anything to disk

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nick_fn:

lsof shows no mpeg file being written – and the file system is rw (I just tested.)

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Penfold:

xris: filing THAT one away for when I do my mythbuntu install tomorrow ;)

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linux_jones:

does video4linux have to be used? i know that when i use vlc to watch tv i have to change it to pvr for it to work

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xris:

Penfold: the default us usually enough. some people just tend to push the limits. :)

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xris:

linux_jones: v4l is pretty much built into the kernel these days

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Penfold:

xris: :)

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Penfold:

some people = at least two in the last 48 hours :)

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linux_jones:

xris, yeah, and when i try to use v4l in vlc, it comes up with a running timer, but no picture or sound, when i go to the pvr tab everything wworks fine

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xris:

linux_jones: I don't even know what those are as far as vlc goes.

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JDStone:

hmm, no beuno. still nothing

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JDStone:

same error

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linux_jones:

that is just how i have been viewing tv, go to open capture devices, and there are tabs for v4l, pvr and dvb, the v4l gives me a timer but nothing else, pvr actually works, and dvb does nothing

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noaXess:

hey.. wagner_: now. i have test some things.. and now: NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times

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JDStone:

or is 128MB not enought?

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nick_fn:

rebooting the whole machine seems to have helped; now it records to disk again.

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JDStone:

*enough

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JDStone:

heh, I'm going to bed

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JDStone:

I'll deal with it later

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JDStone:

thanks again guys

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linux_jones:

haha! so now i have changed my card to the mpeg card, and now it is working, but very laggy picture and no sound, and the deinterlacing is kinda sketchy, is that just due to my computer being too slow?

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pat__:

anybody from .au using 0.21 around? (and using dvb)

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justinh:

hmm the more I think about the I & M keys, the more I think they need to be rejiggled

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** quicksilver prises off justinh's I & M keys and swaps them around **

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justinh:

ha

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quicksilver:

I agre in fact

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justinh:

one menu ftw!

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justinh:

I'll try to come up with a better scheme & try it out

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quicksilver:

some features I didn't discover for months because I didn't realise that pressing 'M', '->' and 'Enter' do subtly different things

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quicksilver:

In, e.g., the watch recordings screen

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justinh:

saccerly!

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quicksilver:

what does I do?

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quicksilver:

I'm not even sure I have that bound to my remote.

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justinh:

press INFO while a recording is highlighted, expecting to see program details? oopsie

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justinh:

that'd be U

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justinh:

I know it'll involve stepping on people's toes & upsetting the status quo but sod it

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justinh:

just because it's always been that way don't mean it's right for everybody

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justinh:

I know I & M are treated differently to save having clogged up menus onscreen but there has to be a better way

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justinh:

maybe in 'watch recordings', when the left hand side is active – i.e. groups are being selected, make MENU do what INFO currently does – then when on the right hand side selecting shows, make MENU do its stuff. obviously some options might have to move around but I think it might just work

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Solv:

hi i've googled for this problem and see i'm not the only one, but can't see a solution. I upgraded my knoppmyth install, and the frontend works fine on the same box as the backend...but the remote frontend says: Unexpected DB Schema version. Waiting to see if DB is being upgraded

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justinh:

oops. PHAIL!

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Solv:

the versions are the same...and i get the problem with both my SUSE packages and the knoppmyth livecd frontend

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Solv:

the backend and frontends are all 0.21.20080304–1: so any ideas?? I have also commented the line in mysql my.conf binding 127.0.0.1

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justinh:

facking hippies.. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/07/iphone_asassination/

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** stuarta waves **

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stuarta:

did you know lugradio are going to the states for a shebang

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justinh:

thought they'd been already

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stuarta:

probably

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justinh:

all sponsored by google

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stuarta:

am reading it in a magazine

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** justinh waves back **

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justinh:

in the famous words of somebody.. who cares? ;)

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stuarta:

not me

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justinh:

then again I doubt I'd be in a hurry to turn down meeting sycophantic 'fans' :P

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justinh:

if I had any, that is...

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stuarta:

fans you might

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stuarta:

sycophantic i doubt

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justinh:

mmm yummy rabbit food

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stuarta:

go the salad!

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justinh:

really regret pegging up another 7 miles on my bike last night. 15 the day before..

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stuarta:

that's some exercise regime

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justinh:

rest tonight I think

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justinh:

don't wanna overdo it. after that bike ride I cleaned my car. well, beats sitting in on IRC all night

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justinh:

better for the body, _and_ the soul ;)

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justinh:

got my wifey worried. keeps asking who I'm trying to get fit for lol

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pat__:

my wife went for a swim tonight... I was asking her who she was getting fit for

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Yahooadam:

wish i could go for a swim, its boiling in here

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Yahooadam:

sun & geekism doesnt mix :p

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pat__:

oh, it was under lights

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pat__:

in a heated pool at the police academy

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Yahooadam:

heated pool – bah :p

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** stuarta has a flashback of that movie **

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** justinh is tempted to take a hammer to an iPod **

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justinh:

other techy has Eric B & Rakim on now. grrrrrr

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wayneandleanne:

anybody in the uk heard of freesat?, and do you know is it a dvb-s card we would need?

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justinh:

freesat?> never heard of it!

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wayneandleanne:

hustinh: freesat.co.uk, it's freeview over satelite lauched today by bbc and itv

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justinh:

oh, wait now I remember. lots of shitty free channels at a lower quality/bitrate than on freeview, and missing channel4 channels

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justinh:

and BBC HD

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justinh:

and more shopping channels!

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wayneandleanne:

how do you know the bitrate is lower, i cant find a tech specs on the website

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justinh:

just about any DVB-S card that works in linux is all you need. and a dish of course

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justinh:

lynsat.com or whatever

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justinh:

average bitrates are lower on all channels compared to freeview, and that's saying something. I used to think the opposite was the case til somebody here pointed it out

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justinh:

but come OFCOM's 'wise' move to put HD on freeview starting from next year, terrestrial bitrates will be lowered even further

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justinh:

squashing channels which occupy 6 muxes now into only 5? now why didn't I think of that?

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wayneandleanne:

haha

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justinh:

the mux operators should kick TUTV off

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justinh:

and I'd pay not to allow gemtv & all that bollocks to operatate

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wayneandleanne:

tell me about it, i hate shopping

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justinh:

be a shame to put Andy Crane & Mark Curry out of a job but what the fuck

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justinh:

reminds me – anybody else noticed Virgin1 not showing what the EPG says?

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stuarta:

nope, works for me

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justinh:

last few xfiles episodes I've recorded have all been an hour's worth of some bloody Roulette show :(

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justinh:

the time was right – they had an onscreen clock

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stuarta:

ah, maybe you have to use the on air guide for that channel.

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stuarta:

thats what i do

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justinh:

I do

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stuarta:

hmmm

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justinh:

maybe just blame it on the EIT monkeys then

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justinh:

unless it has something to do with the daylight savings time change the other weekend

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stuarta:

maybe, however, all my star trek has been recording correctly afaik

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pat__:

you guys record with dvb right?

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wayneandleanne:

yep

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stuarta:

yup

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pat__:

and use 0.21? can you play back with vlc and get sound?

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pat__:

I've been playing around and only get sound on 2 channels here

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wayneandleanne:

we use vlc, wmp, kaffine they all work at our house

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stuarta:

why use vlc, the internal player works just fine

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pat__:

stuara, wife uses vlc on her peecee when she's in the computer room

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justinh:

rofl

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wayneandleanne:

i could be wrong here but isnt most dvb transmission stereo only

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pat__:

dunno

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stuarta:

generally only 2 channels

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wayneandleanne:

where about on the planet are you

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pat__:

the thing is dscaler plays back the recordings fine, but vlc doesn't

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stuarta:

newer hd broadcasts can come with ac3 sound (5.1)

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pat__:

so I don't know if myth does something wrong, or vlc does something wrong or the broadcasters do something wrong

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pat__:

windows media player jumps randomly to make the recording shorter than it is (ie, a 30 minute recording plays in 5 minutes)

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pat__:

I've rebuilt the test backend and reinstalled everything

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pat__:

same thing

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wayneandleanne:

pat_: are you in a country that does 5.1 over dvb or like me in the uk stuck in stereo

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pat__:

.au

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pat__:

not sure

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justinh:

try a newer version of VLC

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stuarta:

does the wifey's pc have 5.1 sound?

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pat__:

justinh: tried that

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pat__:

stuarta: no, just regular sound

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wayneandleanne:

generally the broadcaster will make a big point about the fact that they broadcast in 5.1

[12:21:34]

justinh:

no they won't

[12:21:35]

pat__:

stuarta: I get the same result on every pc and laptop in the house

[12:21:37]

stuarta:

well why are you expecting more than 2 channels?

[12:21:47]

pat__:

well, there's 6 channels

[12:21:49]

wayneandleanne:

what you running mythtv on?

[12:21:55]

justinh:

it's not mythtv

[12:22:01]

justinh:

it's a windows machine he's talking about

[12:22:05]

stuarta:

if you don't have 5.1 hardware support you won't get 5.1

[12:22:09]

wayneandleanne:

sorry , my bad!

[12:22:35]

wayneandleanne:

if it's a windows machine have you got ac3 filter installed?

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pat__:

vlc comes with it's own codecs

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wayneandleanne:

true

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pat__:

I've got a recording here (with no sound) and stream 1 is mpga

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pat__:

that's the sound stream I suppose

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pat__:

stream 0 is mpgv, stream 2 is telx

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justinh:

telx?

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stuarta:

run ffmpeg -i on it and pastebin the output

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pat__:

telx I guess is subtitles

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pat__:

stuarta: ok

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justinh:

have to say I've had mixed success with VLC on windows

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justinh:

esp. with dvb recordings

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justinh:

what doesn't play with VLC tends to be fine with WMP & vice-versa

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pat__:

the thing is these same recordings (recorded at the same time from the same channels) work with my 0.20.2 setup and vlc

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pat__:

(I've got a production and a test system)

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justinh:

maybe your 0.20.2 system was only recording PS

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justinh:

now you record TS or TS. no choice :P

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pat__:

0.21 records multirec, 0.20.2 doesn't

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justinh:

no shit!

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pat__:

yeah :)

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justinh:

I was wondering how I was able to record 10 shows at once these days

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justinh:

with only 3 tuners

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pat__:

this recording has no sound: http://pastebin.com/m428d89fd

[12:30:11]

pat__:

this recording has sound: http://pastebin.com/m35c2dd06

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pat__:

found this on the vlc forum, but it doesn't mean much to me, maybe to somebody who understands ts/ps and all of that...

[12:31:53]

pat__:

http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=14& . . . 53461#p53461

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justinh:

like I said.. 0.21 records only in transport stream format whereas 0.20.x could record program streams

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justinh:

run a lossless transcode on the recordings – will probably fix it

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justinh:

or ffmpeg -i $inputfile -acodec copy -vcodec copy $outputfile on a user job

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justinh:

or ditch VLC & go with mplayer :P

[12:34:44]

justinh:

or use an SVN build of VLC

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stuarta:

although they are both mpegts according to ffmpeg

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justinh:

hmm ffmpeg ain't known for lying

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pat__:

0.20 records as mpegts as well (with ac3 audio)

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pat__:

just let me schedule some new recordings on both systems and report the results

[12:36:05]

justinh:

looks like the audio & video streams are crossed over though

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justinh:

Stream #0.0[0x402](eng): Audio: vs Stream #0.0[0x200]: Video:

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stuarta:

i seem to remember us fixing a bug recently where we had somehow lost the PCR

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pat__:

ok, same show, recording same time one with sound, one without http://pastebin.com/m3c214b0c

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pat__:

justinh: I get the same problem with any version of vlc I've tried including nightly builds

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justinh:

well, no sympathy here :P

[12:42:48]

pat__:

dscaler plays them both fine, so I guess it is a vlc bug

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justinh:

dscaler's bsaed on ffmpeg IIRC

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justinh:

*based

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justinh:

but then VLC is sposed to be too

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justinh:

sometimes I just wish everybody would ditch the facking ego stuff & all contribute to make one kick-ass project

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justinh:

and then I wake up

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sid3windr:

:D

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justinh:

the Israel situation will be sorted before that happens :P

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pat__:

justinh: I've set up a user job to do a ffmpeg copy

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pat__:

we'll see how it works out in 15 minutes or so

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janneg:

justinh: that's bullshit, programming doesn't scale otherwise windows wouldn't be crappy. and more importantly competition fosters innovation

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justinh:

who cares about windows? really?

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justinh:

and as far as mythtv goes, it's never been one for keeping up with the Joneses as far as I can tell

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pat__:

juski, running ffmpeg over the file fixes it

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justinh:

who the hell's that?

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kslater:

you're supposed to just ignore the message

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pat__:

aah, brain didn't switch so well

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justinh:

maybe time to quit IRC altogether then

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ward_:

i cant get mythtv to scan for channels normally

[14:43:55]

ward_:

first it gave me a ton of channels and 90 percent of them was just snow

[14:44:07]

ward_:

now everything seems to have become the same channel

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ward_:

i think i dont understand the system at all

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ward_:

could someone explain?

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ward_:

i have no clue how to just scan for channels and add ONLY the ones that give an image, + getting them to be normal numbers that start from 1 instead of 23 or something

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keith4:

aw, you broke the silence!

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keith4:

what tuners? where are you? what's your source?

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ward_:

pvr-150

[14:49:22]

ward_:

wintv

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ward_:

source?

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keith4:

cable?

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keith4:

satellite?

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ward_:

aah yep

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ward_:

cable

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keith4:

what version of myth?

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ward_:

it receives channels

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ward_:

it finds them

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ward_:

so thats not the problem

[14:50:23]

ward_:

i just cant manage them of tune to them, etc

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ward_:

0.21

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ward_:

pfffff it worked just fine last time

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sphery:

ward_: if you're in the US and they're analog cable channels, you should /not/ be scanning for them.

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mzb_d800:

Hi all

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mzb_d800:

can anyone tell me how to determine which tuner has been used for a recording _after_the_fact_ ?

[15:05:01]

stuarta:

depends if you have different channel lineups on each card

[15:06:06]

mzb_d800:

no ... no lineups (not US)

[15:06:20]

mzb_d800:

4 tuners (DVB)

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mzb_d800:

all using same channels

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stuarta:

same data source?

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mzb_d800:

but I'm having problems with some programmes, at some times, under some load conditions, and I _think_ on one channel

[15:08:16]

stuarta:

gets worse the more programs recording simultaneously?

[15:08:20]

mzb_d800:

so I'm trying to narrow it down to tuner as well ... just wondering how you can tell which tuner has been used for a particular recording.

[15:08:34]

mzb_d800:

err ... not necessarily

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mzb_d800:

although it *may* be load related

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mzb_d800:

I *think* it's a combination of load and bandwidth on the USB tuners (I have 2x PCI and 2xUSB)

[15:10:21]

stuarta:

i'd suspect the usb ones first

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mzb_d800:

there is one channel that seems to take more bandwidth than the others (not sure why)

[15:10:33]

stuarta:

they have less buffering

[15:10:42]

stuarta:

probably that's the way it's broadcast

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mzb_d800:

I think it's more than that (re USB) but I'm happy to accept your reason

[15:11:18]

mzb_d800:

I'd still like to find out which tuner has been used

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stuarta:

just throwing ideas out there

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mzb_d800:

and I thank you :)

[15:12:32]

mzb_d800:

I've recently moved to a raid mobo which has improved performance 100x (removed PCI saturation + latency from the problem)

[15:12:53]

mzb_d800:

but still only dealing with a p3–800 for the tuner-backend

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sphery:

mzb_d800: only way we have now is to look at the backend log file. It will say something like: 2008-05–06 21:00:03.674 scheduler: Started recording: Shark "Leaving Las Vegas": channel 1061 on cardid 1, sourceid 1

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... ok ... that will have to do ... thanks sphery

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sphery:

I only have one input connected to sourceid 1 on cardid 1, so I know what card (and what input) was used.

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mzb_d800:

bit harder to track with 4 ;)

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mzb_d800:

tuner is doing an excellent job though

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mzb_d800:

:))

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mzb_d800:

(WAF)

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sphery:

yeah, I have 4 cards and often record 4 shows at the same time, so the "jumble" of log output can make it hard to see where each show was recorded.

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mzb_d800:

grep is a wonderful tool ;) ... thanks for the suggestion ;)

[15:18:56]

mzb_d800:

(ie: no reason I can't have an ssh session open for each channel grepping the logs)

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sphery:

or an ssh session open that's grep'ing the log and filtering output into different files based on channel

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mzb_d800:

one issue has been that I used realtime priority on the tuner (probably more appropriate for frontends only)

[15:19:56]

sphery:

(depending on how many channels you have, might be much easier)

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mzb_d800:

yep, some combination of sessions + grepping logs ought to work :)

[15:21:02]

** stuarta wonders if that's logged into the mysql log **

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mzb_d800:

found the priority changes were screwing up priorities for transcode jobs (and then screwing recordings)

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sphery:

stuarta: quite likely...

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mzb_d800:

I don't (think I) have mysql logging enabled

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mzb_d800:

isn't default, is it?

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mzb_d800:

(mysql and MBE are different machines, btw)

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mzb_d800:

(to the tuner)

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sphery:

select * from mythlog where module = 'scheduler' and message like '%Started recording%';

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sphery:

Only returns 18 on my system.

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sphery:

I have the default frequency of "auto-cleanup" of logs enabled (something like 100 messages...?)

[15:24:10]

sphery:

my log file goes much farther back.

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sphery:

Hmmm. Funny thing is only my master backend is logging those messages. I assumed MySQL logging was global, but...

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mzb_d800:

not sure if I have that enabled, pretty sure I avoided it, but can't check from this machine atm (oops!)

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mzb_d800:

either way, grepping with sessions will eventually pinpoint the problem ... thank you both!

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ward_:

sphery, im not in the us

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ward_:

(thank god :p )

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** mzb_d800 chuckles **

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erty:

I'm trying to set up a MythTV box on a new system which has only 1 SATA hdd, install goes okay, but then grub hangs

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mzb_d800:

not a lot to do with mythtv

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erty:

if only I could get that far ;-(

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mzb_d800:

exactly

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mzb_d800:

which OS are you using?

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stuarta:

erty: try using lilo rather than grub then

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stuarta:

grub tickles issues in some bioses

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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stuarta:

either that or you haven't set it up right

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erty:

mythbuntu

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kleetus:

erty: do you get a kernel panic when trying to boot?

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kleetus:

erty: or a message like "waiting for root file system"

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erty:

Something like "Grub loading 5.1."

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kleetus:

erty: oh you mean Grub 1.5

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kleetus:

erty: this most likely means the "

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mzb_d800:

there are *very* few situations where grub won't install properly

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kleetus:

boot flag on the boot partition is not set

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mzb_d800:

was the disk a "virgin"

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erty:

yes

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mzb_d800:

is the BIOS on default settings?

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mzb_d800:

(inc. "auto detect" for disks?)

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erty:

auto detect isn't working for the sata drive

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erty:

"GRUB Loading stage1.5."

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mzb_d800:

onboard sata?

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kleetus:

erty: well. the first bit of grub code is running...so you know that grub was put on the first sector of the boot disk

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kleetus:

erty: but then grub never finds the second bit of boot strap code for itself

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kleetus:

erty: what kind of filesystem is running on the boot drive? it is XFS?

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kleetus:

erty: grub "understands" filesystems, unlike LILO, but it does not really deal well with XFS

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kleetus:

i always leave my boot partition as ext3 and leave it out of LVM as well

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mzb_d800:

good advice

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gbee:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/a953 . . . hannels.html

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gbee:

just shoot me now

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jams:

gbee- are those the two major players in your market?

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gbee:

Sky will buy up those channels just to shut them down, considering Virgin 1 was launched just to offer some competition to Sky 1 I can't seriously believe Virgin would consider selling a major asset to their biggest rival

[16:11:02]

gbee:

jams: very, the Satellite incumbent and Cable incumbents, who have a rocky history

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gbee:

Virgin, the smaller company, used to carry Sky's popular main channels Sky One/Two on their network, but Sky decided to try and kill off Virgin by inflating the price beyond what the market could bare, Virgin were forced to drop those channels which upset a lot of Virgin customers and lead to many defecting to Sky

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gbee:

this was all shortly after Sky had negotiated a good deal to carry all Virgin's content on their network

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gbee:

after an intial legal battle and public outcry Virgin decided to launch their own version of Sky One – Virgin One and proceeded to buy up a number of popular and new shows from under the noses of Sky, it was a pretty successful tactic since Virgin One is now available to more people than Sky One and does well in the ratings battle

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jams:

heh i could see that causing some bitterness

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gbee:

so it's no suprise that Sky want to own those channels, they'll make them exclusive to their network or take all the good shows and leave the carcasses rotting in the gutter, but I'm suprised that Virgin would even consider selling them given the history

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gbee:

if Virgin sell those channels they are right back to square one, with Sky having the popular content locked up in exclusive Satellite only subscription bundles

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gbee:

I'm not the biggest Sky fan, so there is a little bias, but mostly I'd like to see competition in the pay-tv market and that requires Virgin maintaining a foothold

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gbee:

we're in real danger in this country of having just one provider in the market and that's not good for anyone

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justinh:

bucking fevil astards.. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/a953 . . . is-fair.html – heh of *course* THEY think pay tv is fairly priced

[16:34:21]

justinh:

oh and ITV HD isn't gonna be a real TV channel. can anybody here spell 'obsfurcated by MHEG crap' ?

[16:34:45]

** justinh is in a good mood today, or what **

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cesman:

lovely

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** justinh dreams up a new primetime gameshow for ITV1.... "who wants to be an emigree?" **

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cesman:

justinh: can I play?

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** cesman just doesn't know where he'd go... **

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justinh:

with the sale of the rights I could buy a small island :P

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justinh:

meanwhile back on planet earth...

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cesman:

justinh: perhaps we should make some ground rules

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cesman:

like aid in moving, job placement, etc.

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cesman:

justinh: then all we'd need is to sell the idea ;)

[16:43:22]

cesman:

justinh: then spinoffs to follow the people in thier new home

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devicenull:

I'm trying to set up an IR remote.. I have lircd setup and running, but I'm unsure if I need the irxevent program or not

[16:43:34]

justinh:

ahh so that's why my day has been so shitty. all of the flash's jffs2 image is write protected once written to flash. well un-documented, guys! only been trying to set one unit up all fscking day

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justinh:

write-protecting parts of the flash which need to change (i.e. to store config data) != good idea

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devicenull:

I'm using the version of mythtv from debian-multimedia.. is there a way to determine if lircd support is compiled in?

[16:45:22]

justinh:

cesman: job placement? nah – just prop it up with the lure of never having to work again.. kinda like some sort of heaven

[16:45:37]

justinh:

devicenull: mythfrontend --version will tell you. chances are lirc support is in there

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cesman:

devicenull: what justinh said ;)

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devicenull:

k

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justinh:

only gentoo users end up with mythfrontend not having lirc support built in :P

[16:46:14]

devicenull:

yea, I do have lirc support, but it isn't actually doing anything

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cesman:

devicenull: what remote do you have?

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gbee:

justinh: I was just bitching about this one – http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/a953 . . . hannels.html

[16:46:38]

devicenull:

it's the ne that came with the hauppage pvr 150

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cesman:

devicenull: do you have an appropriate /etc/lirc/lircd.conf?

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devicenull:

yes

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justinh:

gbee: WHAT?!

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cesman:

devicenull: ~/.mythtv/lircrc?

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devicenull:

~/.lircrc

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justinh:

FFS. <allcaps> Sky must be stopped !!!! </allcaps>

[16:47:23]

devicenull:

I thought that's where it went?

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cesman:

devicenull: mythtv uses ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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justinh:

\set_term\ffff

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justinh:

oops

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devicenull:

cesman: docs say otherwise :p http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-8.html

[16:47:57]

devicenull:

but I'll copy it there

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cesman:

devicenull: ok...

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gbee:

if Sky get those channels, expect them to disappear from Freeview/Virgin etc, considering that Virgin One was launched to offer Sky One some competition it's insane to think they'll just buy it and undermine Virgin etc again

[16:48:16]

cesman:

devicenull: not Like I've not been using MythTV for 5 years...

[16:48:36]

devicenull:

inconsistent docs seem to be a recurring theme today soo

[16:48:40]

justinh:

and prog = mythtv is the only thing that'll work btw – if it says prog = irexec, forget it

[16:49:11]

justinh:

gbee: if only more folks would see the light & give up on pay tv altogether...

[16:49:24]

gbee:

devicenull: it looks in both places, so the docs are not inconsistent with what actually happens

[16:49:24]

justinh:

we pay a licence fee. we have adverts

[16:49:32]

devicenull:

ah

[16:49:36]

justinh:

it's not as if paying for channels means there are no ads

[16:49:41]

devicenull:

still not working, do I need to restart the backend for some reason?

[16:49:49]

justinh:

devicenull: the frontend only

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justinh:

step 1. verify all yo buttons work using irw

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gbee:

justinh: I can't see why anyone would pay so much for Sky and still put up with adverts

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devicenull:

ok, is there a config option within mythtv I need to enable, or should it be automatically detected?

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justinh:

step 2. make sure all the button names in the lircrc file agree with those output by irw (and those in /etc/lircd.conf)

[16:50:38]

devicenull:

actually

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justinh:

gbee: nor me

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devicenull:

lircd never actually started

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cesman:

doh!

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justinh:

hmmm.. to ride bike tonight or not ride bike tonight.. mmmmm rest

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justinh:

gbee: I kind of miss MTV now I've seen clips of that Fur TV show

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justinh:

not worth Â£25 a month for one show though!

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devicenull:

hm, lircrd just silently fails to start.. it doesn't seem like it has a verbose mode either.. any ideas on this?

[16:53:01]

justinh:

lirc is like malaria .. it should be cured already

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devicenull:

oh

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devicenull:

helps if I start the right process, now doesnt it

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

well, time to go home & be chef again. things you gotta do if you don't wanna have pizza every night...

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AndyCap:

justinh: isn't Fur TV just one episode? or did they make more?

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justinh:

they made loads AFAIK

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justinh:

i.e. it's a series

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justinh:

AndyCap: you only say that cos your TV 'provider' only lists one episode :P

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AndyCap:

justinh: well. I say that because I saw it a couple of years ago, and could only find one episode..

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justinh:

heh

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AndyCap:

but I guess mtv has picked it up

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justinh:

anyway... avast ye... back home I go

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devicenull:

ugh

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AndyCap:

Was piloted in 2004 on BBC2, before being made into a full series by MTV

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AndyCap:

Achaa

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devicenull:

lircd starts, I start lircmd and it exits saying "Terminated", then lircd stops

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bmead:

Has anyone received thier Hauppauge HD-PVR model 1212 yet?

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devicenull:

could not open /dev/lirc <-- ah

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iamlindoro_:

HD-PVRs have not shipped yet

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bmead:

iamlindoro Any info about when they will?

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iamlindoro_:

The first thousand or so are supposed to go out midmonth. if you ordered later than the first few hours, expect end of month or later.

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bmead:

Thanks for the updated info!

[17:01:10]

iamlindoro_:

no problem

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iamlindoro_:

More info here: http://brentevans.blogspot.com/2008/04/hauppa . . . ayed-to.html

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phatmonkey:

I have switched my mythtv server to a new server with a different hostname. I have changed all the hostnames in the database (including the storagegroup table). there is one problem – the thumbnails don't work on the recording list or on mythweb

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phatmonkey:

but the recordings play though

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xris:

phatmonkey: you update the hostnames in the recorded table?

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phatmonkey:

xris: ahah, didn't see them there!

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phatmonkey:

xris: that works a treat, thanks

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xris:

:) "been there"

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Therock_:

anybody played with streaming the live tv?

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sphery:

phatmonkey: the proper way to change hostnames is: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.15

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sphery:

Might want to do a "spring cleaning" fix: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7

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phatmonkey:

the old hostname was mythtv... might have produced some interesting results with the "proper" way

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devicenull:

ew, lirc seems to be a mess :/

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devicenull:

I just dont like recompiling my kernel

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gbee:

it's usually pretty straightforward with recent distros

[17:38:14]

devicenull:

just.. time consuming

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sphery:

Therock_: Myth only supports a single LiveTV recording profile (if that's what you mean).

[17:40:36]

Therock_:

yeah

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Therock_:

damn, so the only way im gonna get 2 livetv profiles is running 2 mysql databases?

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sphery:

Why do you need multiple?

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Therock_:

would like to have a different live tv profile for wireless,vpn ect.

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sphery:

yeah, and 2 databases means, really, 2 different (never communicating with one another) MythTV systems.

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Therock_:

yeah :/

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Therock_:

but mythtv was build with one livetv profile

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sphery:

Better approach would be to use something like gstreamer of vlc to transcode on-the-fly to appropriate bitrate

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Therock_:

well yeah then another problems is how to change channel easy and all that in vlc

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Therock_:

i know there is tons of interfaces, but if i could have a mythfrontend with epg and all that

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sphery:

You /could/ set one of your 4 profiles (i.e. LiveTV) to use appropriate recording parameters, then use it only for low-bandwidth

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Therock_:

hmm what do you mean?

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sphery:

I.e. don't watch LiveTV on a real Myth system (as LiveTV is a complete waste, anyway ;)

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Therock_:

hehe

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sphery:

You can always start a recording and watch as it records.

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devicenull:

hey how good is commercial detection in mythtv?

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Therock_:

so over wireless i should start a recording instead

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devicenull:

I am used to using showanalyzer on windows which worked nicely

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Therock_:

and then just choose the transcode profile for playback on that?

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sphery:

If you prefer usable LiveTV on a real mythfrontend, change a different profile (i.e. Low Quality) and then--rather than trying to use LiveTV in low-bandwidth situations--start a recording using Low Quality profile and "join" it (start watching once the recording starts).

[17:45:36]

sphery:

actually, the recording profile (transcoding happens only after recording completes)

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Therock_:

then channel switch would not be posseble :/

[17:45:57]

Therock_:

ah okay so you have to start the recording with a specifik profile

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sphery:

devicenull: works great for some, is basically useless for others. (In the US it's great.)

[17:46:15]

devicenull:

I'm in the US, so thats good

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Therock_:

but sphery i was thinking, what about creating a new database in mysql

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Therock_:

but somehow make that a symlink to the otherdatabase except codecparms

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Therock_:

:-)

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devicenull:

mysql supports views

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Therock_:

that would solve my issue right?

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devicenull:

but they aren't always writable

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sphery:

Therock_: it would be very much unsupported and any issues you counter are your own problem (i.e. don't go straight to the bug database with problems--instead, post to the list so we can tell you it's because you're messing with data that's not yours :)

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Therock_:

yeah well the solution i have now is not :)

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Therock_:

got a vpn on 25/25mbit conn

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Therock_:

running a mythfrontend over it

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Therock_:

running perfect

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sphery:

Therock_: you could just learn to use a PVR properly--have it record anything you might possibly want to watch so you /never/ need to watch LiveTV. :)

[17:49:04]

Therock_:

but just takes 50% of my bw :-)

[17:49:12]

Therock_:

hahaha

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Therock_:

maybe i should try that :D

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sphery:

It's really the best way.

[17:49:41]

Therock_:

yeah to get around that livetv profile thing

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sphery:

I /only/ use LiveTV to test that my capture cards are set up properly. Been a /long/ time since I've gone in there.

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Therock_:

okay

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Therock_:

well for me it sounds strange :-)

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Therock_:

not just to blast around in live tv and see whats going on :)

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sphery:

If you're lacking on HDD space, a nice 750GB HDD is only about $127 (in the US) now, and that would hold a /lot/ of SDTV.

[17:50:42]

PatrickDK:

sphery, just set it to record EVERY channel all the time :)

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devicenull:

sphery: wow, thats nice.. where?

[17:51:04]

sphery:

PatrickDK: that works, too, but you need a lot of capture cards.

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Therock_:

yeah

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Therock_:

well i thought of the same thing

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PatrickDK:

sphery, depends on how crappy your cable company is :)

[17:51:31]

Therock_:

but also alot of disk space and disk I/O

[17:51:44]

PatrickDK:

disk i/o isn't too much an issue

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sphery:

PatrickDK: what's a cable company? (OTA all the way, baby!)

[17:51:50]

PatrickDK:

only like 1meg per second per channel

[17:51:51]

Therock_:

25channels ?

[17:51:55]

Therock_:

25 recording... hehe

[17:52:05]

PatrickDK:

I get 3 OTA stations :(

[17:52:09]

Therock_:

oh 1mb pr. channel

[17:52:16]

Therock_:

i might as well do that then :)

[17:52:19]

PatrickDK:

hdtv is up to 2megs per channel

[17:52:28]

Therock_:

pr sec?

[17:52:32]

PatrickDK:

yep

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Therock_:

not that bad

[17:52:47]

Therock_:

and you can setup a ring buffer recording

[17:52:53]

Therock_:

guess i will try that

[17:53:00]

sphery:

devicenull: Hmmm. The $126 and change one is now $217 and change, but now there's this one: http://www.buy.com/prod/western-digital-cavia . . . 5083227.html

[17:53:07]

sphery:

$130 (including shipping to the US)

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Therock_:

well cya guys

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Therock_:

gonna watch some tv :)

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devicenull:

wow, not bad

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keith4:

stick with seagate

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keith4:

a bit more $$, but 5 year warranty

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sphery:

I find the warranty isn't worth the cost. :)

[17:55:53]

keith4:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148298

[17:56:01]

keith4:

$129.99, free shipping

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devicenull:

yea, all the other drives I have are seagate

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sphery:

IMHO, it's like paying for the Circuit City "extended protection plan"--you're better off putting that money away to buy a new HDD

[17:56:28]

PatrickDK:

or a second drive :)

[17:56:36]

keith4:

usually the "extra cost" is like $5 or $10

[17:56:40]

keith4:

which doesn't get you much HD

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sphery:

devicenull: Here's one for $120 (including shipping): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152100

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sphery:

keith4: but even $5 today to replace the 750GB HDD that /might/ die at some point a few years in the future (at which point there will be bigger, better, cooler, less-power-hungry HDD's available for less than you paid for the 750GB HDD today).

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sphery:

I just had Seagate replace a couple of HDD's for me and it was barely worth the cost. You also have to factor in the cost of shipping it back for the RMA (including packing, shipping, and time required to do it).

[17:59:36]

sphery:

IMHO, the 160GB and the 300GB HDD's I replaced weren't worth it. I /only/ did it because I had 2 drives from the same manufacturer that both needed replacing.

[17:59:48]

keith4:

i usually have them cross-ship it

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keith4:

so then, you get their packaging to send the bad one back in

[18:00:02]

keith4:

net cost: like $5 to the USPS

[18:00:15]

sphery:

For Seagate, it's an extra $20/drive to cross-ship

[18:00:33]

keith4:

i guess i haven't RMA'd a seagate lately

[18:00:37]

sphery:

I used some packing materials I got from other online purchases for cheaper.

[18:00:47]

keith4:

but still. who doesn't have HD packaging sitting around?

[18:01:29]

sphery:

Yeah, but still, shipping the 2 HDD was $20 for me. (From FL, USA).

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sphery:

It's not a bad thing, but I don't pay extra for the "extended warranty" (i.e. Seagate's 5-yr warranty versus most of the others' 3-year warranty)

[18:02:22]

sphery:

Though, for some, it may be worthwhile.\

[18:02:49]

devicenull:

hm, I need a decent case, or at least a quieter fan

[18:02:59]

sphery:

or a drill :)

[18:03:20]

devicenull:

sphery: I removed the front 4 drive covers and have a 120mm fan hanging by zipties :p

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devicenull:

airflow is not a problem

[18:03:36]

sphery:

My approach is to put the machine in a different room and drill a hole through the wall to run cables. I have the biggest, ugliest, loudest Myth frontend machine you can imagine.

[18:03:47]

devicenull:

that was my though too

[18:03:55]

devicenull:

I do have a number of closets floating around

[18:04:12]

sphery:

It's actually nice having a viewing room with /only/ a TV and speakers in it.

[18:04:14]

devicenull:

hm, not actually a bad idea

[18:04:26]

sphery:

(and, if using an IR remote, an IR receiver)

[18:04:47]

devicenull:

yea, I'd need component cables + long usb + audio, but thats not a big deal

[18:05:10]

sphery:

yeah, there was some additional expense in getting longer cables.

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devicenull:

not much though

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devicenull:

<3 monoprice

[18:05:47]

sphery:

never shopped there, I'll have to check it out

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devicenull:

I already have a 50ft svideo and audio through the wall already, I should just use that

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DrO|A:

Anyone been using a Terratec Cinergy 600 card? i can detect channels, but no sound comes, and i cant change channel when watching tv

[18:06:20]

devicenull:

monoprice shipped my order in 15 minutes yesterday

[18:06:23]

devicenull:

I was shocked

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sphery:

nice

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keith4:

yah, monoprice is amazing

[18:08:23]

vyacheslav:

Hi everybody ! I would like to know if there is any POSITIVE experience with satellite tv tuners (any model of PCI or USB). just I want to buy one which works under Ubuntu.

[18:09:25]

sphery:

vyacheslav: should probably also mention where you're at (as compatibility varies by region)

[18:11:57]

vyacheslav:

I am in Eastern Europe (in Latvia)

[18:12:32]

sphery:

Sorry, I can't help, then. I don't know anything about DVB-S

[18:12:47]

vyacheslav:

Here is PAL system and I am watching free-to-air from HotBird 143

[18:12:50]

vyacheslav:

13

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justinh:

see linuxtv.org & their wiki to find out which DVB-S tuners work in linux

[18:14:35]

vyacheslav:

The main question is a compatibility or drivers availability.

[18:14:58]

vyacheslav:

thanks

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sphery:

good luck

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justinh:

what was that about livetv profiles – one for wired & one for wireless? lol. that must mean that wireless sucks or something

[18:17:34]

sphery:

That's hard to believe... (Says me, typing into an IRC client that's displayed over a wired connection and that's communicating with the IRC servers over a wired connection. :)

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toorima:

not really a mythtv issue but any know how to check what process that access a disk? my sdb and sdc won't spin down with hdparm while sdd will, and as far as i know sdb and sdc should not be used at all

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sphery:

toorima: is this on a Myth box?

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toorima:

yeah

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sphery:

if so, it's quite possible it's the UPnP media scan

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sphery:

do you have any directories from sdb and/or sdc configured with MythVideo videos or MythTV recordings?

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toorima:

even if i haven't used the disks in myth?

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sphery:

guess not, then

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toorima:

sda is for recordings, sdd is for mythvideo

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toorima:

sdb and sdc are just backup disks

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toorima:

so its kinda funny that the backup disk won't sleep but the disks i use all the time will sleep

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devicenull:

toorima: I dont know of any tool, but check the powertop site

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toorima:

devicenull: didnt think of that, thx

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mindkrime:

What is suggested for an "extender" type interface to Mythtv, a upnp or build another machine just as frontend? I have HD content.

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sphery:

mindkrime: My suggestion would be multiple frontends. UPnP is quite limited in comparison.

[19:18:38]

sphery:

you wouldn't have access to things like guide data, scheduling, Myth's Internal player capabilities (timestretch, commercial skip, ...)

[19:19:00]

sphery:

though some could be faked with appropriate code, you'll never get something that makes a better frontend than mythfrontend. :)

[19:20:21]

famicom:

No offense, but mythfrontend is moldable like clay

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GreyFoxx:

mfe is too configurable heh

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GreyFoxx:

so many options and controls :)

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sphery:

Yeah, that's where the XBox 360 UPnP is nice. It removes all sorts of unnecessary options--like playing MPEG files. :)

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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Jestrzap:

hoi

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Jestrzap:

anyone around?

[19:42:40]

stoth:

y

[19:43:15]

Jestrzap:

woot

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Jestrzap:

whats going on?

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keith4:

mindkrime: i just built a new frontend that's nearly silent, plays anything I throw at it, for < $500

[19:49:53]

Jestrzap:

very nice

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Jestrzap:

I still need a new harddrive and another hauppauge for my backend

[19:52:33]

Jestrzap:

anyone know how to get mythdvd to always have "good" quality available?

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Jestrzap:

mtd is running so Im not sure why it wouldnt give me the options

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sphery:

Jestrzap: I'm guessing (and this is really just a guess) that you're missing support for lame or something. Anything but Perfect is going to transcode the video/audio, so.

[20:03:10]

sphery:

wouldn't bee too unexpected on, i.e. Ubuntu.

[20:03:26]

sphery:

(the part about missing lame, that is)

[20:03:26]

Jestrzap:

hmm lemmie look

[20:03:50]

sphery:

Oh, and I didn't look to see what the specific requirements are, so it might not be lame that's missing.

[20:04:39]

Jestrzap:

thing is, I *just* finished ripping another disc. I havent actually looked at the output, maybe I should do that...

[20:04:58]

sphery:

and it allowed you to rip as Good?

[20:05:08]

Jestrzap:

yep

[20:05:14]

Jestrzap:

I did 2 pass

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sphery:

Oh, then it's probably something else. I don't know anything about DVD ripping.

[20:06:15]

Jestrzap:

maybe mtd locked up...

[20:06:34]

sphery:

could be

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mindkrime:

Jestrzap: it does HD?

[20:13:16]

Jestrzap:

HD what?

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mindkrime:

I have access to a sagetv extender to play with, but I cant find anyone who knows anything about it

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mindkrime:

1080p

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Jestrzap:

which? dvds? TV?

[20:14:50]

mindkrime:

TV

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Jestrzap:

myth can do HD tv, but I don't have any HD equipment

[20:15:38]

mindkrime:

I hoping to be able to play content from the new HD PVR too (when everything is worked out)

[20:15:40]

Jestrzap:

I just helped my cousin pickup the HomerunHD for his mythbox

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mindkrime:

Yea, I have been using Myth for about 4 years, I have a hdhomerun and hd-5000

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mindkrime:

I just dont have a frontend (besides the BE/FE) that can playany HD.

[20:16:48]

mindkrime:

I want to add some HD frontends in the other rooms.

[20:17:33]

Jestrzap:

if your display has DVI that's probably easiest

[20:18:51]

mindkrime:

it is dvi and HDMI

[20:18:56]

mindkrime:

DVI

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Jestrzap:

ewww, HDMI

[20:19:06]

mindkrime:

hehe

[20:19:15]

Jestrzap:

evil

[20:19:17]

mindkrime:

my projector in my theater room is all HDMI too

[20:19:26]

mindkrime:

but I dont have much trouble with it.

[20:19:45]

Jestrzap:

nothing like planned obsolescence to drive the economy eh?

[20:19:59]

mindkrime:

yea :(

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Jestrzcap:

geh, didn't see the mistype before

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mindkrime:

I have plenty of that equipment sitting around

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Jestrzcap:

until cablecard becomes a reality I have no use for HD

[20:21:09]

mindkrime:

I am hoping for the HD PVR to fix that

[20:21:29]

mindkrime:

But I dont have the money to buy it and just sit on it till it is suppoted

[20:21:46]

Jestrzcap:

I suppose I could hook up an IR blaster, but, ick, how low-tech is that?

[20:22:01]

mindkrime:

I change channels via firewire

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iamlindoro_:

mindkrime, The support will be present when the first devices arrive in the hands of users.

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Jestrzcap:

are they required by law to turn those on now?

[20:22:34]

mindkrime:

i dont knwo but mine is on :)

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mindkrime:

brb

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mindkrime:

back

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mindkrime:

iamlindoro_: thx :)

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mindkrime:

i wonder how powerful a frontend will have to be to play those files

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mindkrime:

maybe i will wait to build one till then

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jarle:

when starting mythfrontend on a new machine I get " QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded" and "QSqlDatabase: available drivers: (null)" Has something gone wrong with my compile of 0.21-fixes?

[20:26:51]

beandog:

your Qt probably doesn have mysql support

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Jestrzcap:

I concur

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jarle:

beandog: this is kubuntu 8.04, guess I'm missing a package?

[20:27:47]

beandog:

beats me

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iamlindoro_:

apt-get install libqt3-mt-mysql

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jarle:

beandog: ideally ./configure should check for this?

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** iamlindoro_ coughs and points upward **

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** beandog cant help with *buntu stuff **

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Jestrzcap:

what iamlindoro said

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jarle:

works just like a charm now, just gotta get set up the sound to work...

[20:33:31]

Jestrzcap:

ok, so this was an odd issue

[20:34:52]

Jestrzcap:

this dvd claims to be 704x480

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Jestrzcap:

rather than 720x480

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iamlindoro_:

That's an accepted DVD spec resolution

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Jestrzcap:

and myth has this lookup table that doesnt include those specs

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jarle:

"Audio output device is set to an ALSA device but ALSA support is not compiled in!" – oki, back to compiling :)

[20:37:58]

keith4:

why do people compile things on ubuntu? i'll never understand

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Jestrzcap:

if I wanted to compile I'd be using gentoo

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keith4:

well, let's not get carried away

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keith4:

there's probably a happy medium

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Jestrzcap:

nein!

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Jestrzcap:

riceburner or nothing

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Jestrzcap:

:)

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Jestrzcap:

Theres still a big ol spot in my heart for slackware

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mindkrime:

I am moving to CentOS.

[20:42:28]

Jestrzcap:

is that a redhat clone?

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GreyFoxx:

mmmm slackware

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beandog:

well, its red hat, unbranded.

[20:43:09]

GreyFoxx:

the new 12.1 CD's should be showing up soon

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beandog:

afaik

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Jestrzcap:

I installed "slax" on my sd card for my phone yesterday

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mindkrime:

CentOS is like Redhat Enterprise

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Jestrzcap:

I had way too many RPMs blow up in my face back in the day

[20:44:34]

Jestrzcap:

I always liked slackware. packages are little more than a gzipped tarball

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keith4:

CentOS *is* RHEL, just unbranded

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keith4:

i have to use it at work

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keith4:

it's icky

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ajh:

ok, anyone know offhand where the htaccess for mythweb lands in ubuntu 8.04? the link seems to point to non-existent file but it does auth. :)

[20:50:51]

xris:

ajh: .21? doesn't use htaccess anymore

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devicenull:

I'm on hour 3 trying to get a kernel to compile.. I swear debians make-kpkg is a step backwards

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xris:

goes directly into the apache conf

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ajh:

that would explain it :)

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keith4:

devicenull: make-kpkg is pretty straightforward

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ajh:

sometimes I think we're making distros more complex to solve the smallest issue and just making it more effort to do the most basic things in the end.

[20:52:28]

keith4:

...says the user of ubuntu

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ajh:

hey, I use them all, need to to keep up to date :)

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devicenull:

keith4: except when all the guides I've seen dont tell you you need -initrd there as well

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ajh:

just can't help longing for MCC from time to time :)

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devicenull:

honestly, what was wrong with the whole make menuconfig && make && make install

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keith4:

devicenull: you don't *need* initrd

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keith4:

devicenull: um, it didn't result in a debian package

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devicenull:

aparently I do, since the box won't boot without it

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keith4:

that's not debian's fault

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devicenull:

do I really need a debian package for *one* machine?

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keith4:

you're free to use a ramdisk, or not, as you like

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keith4:

iirc, you don't need initrd if all modules that are needed to boot are built-in to the kernel

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keith4:

you'd have to go ask #debian for a more thorough explanation, though

[20:56:34]

devicenull:

nah I'm just going to sit and poke at it until it works

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keith4:

dare I ask why you're not using a packaged kernel?

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kormoc:

devicenull, imho, modules should be limited, everything should be built into the kernel unless there's a good reason for it not to be (ivtv)

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devicenull:

keith4: need the lirc kernel modules, can't use them with the stock kernel

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keith4:

uh, whynot? I do

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devicenull:

they refused to compile

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keith4:

are you new to debian?

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devicenull:

no

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devicenull:

debian's lirc-kernel-modules package is the source for some reason

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keith4:

try module-assistant

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keith4:

'apt-get install module assistant; m-a a-i lirc' done

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keith4:

that's precisely why the lirc kernel modules is a source package

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devicenull:

forgot all about that

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keith4:

because module assistant will automatically download the source, build a package of it for your kernel, and load it

[21:00:06]

devicenull:

and none of the readmes in the source package talk about it

[21:00:19]

keith4:

i just did it like a week ago

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Jestrzcap:

ok, so I figured it out

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Jestrzcap:

first I had to add a line to the table dvdinput for my retarded 704x480 dvd

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Jestrzcap:

then i had to add 2 lines to the table dvdtranscode to tell it that it could do good and excellent quality

[21:05:36]

Jestrzcap:

exciting

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devicenull:

omfg why did I forget about module-assistant

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Jestrzcap:

is that something I should tell someone about? I have no idea how many 704x480 dvds are out there

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roothorick:

anyone tried running a Myth frontend in PS3Linux?

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roothorick:

really seems like an ideal place to put your frontend/encoder

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Jestrzcap:

that would require giving sony money, something I am loathe to do

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roothorick:

I thought running Linux on a PS3 was free... oh you mean you don't have a PS3

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Jestrzcap:

right

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roothorick:

I'm buying one from my boss at a decent discount so it's something I'll be looking into

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Jestrzcap:

I dont see why it would be a problem to do so

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roothorick:

I'm curious about performance

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Jestrzcap:

the only potential issue I can see is compilation problems for the different proc

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roothorick:

sure the PS3 has no trouble with 1080p MPEG4 at broadcast bitrates, but does PS3Linux have access to the hardware to make it possible, and actually support it?

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iamlindoro_:

There's no hardware acceleration in PS3Linux whatsoever AFAIK

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devicenull:

hm

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devicenull:

got lirc loaded and it detects it

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devicenull:

"mode2" is the way of testing it, right?

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Jestrzcap:

roothorick: yeah, I think linux gets shafted when it comes to support for the hardware accel

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gbee:

irw

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ajh:

it's a shame, since the original concept was for the ps3 to run linux as a base os.

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devicenull:

ahh irw works nice

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ajh:

anyone notice lirc dying when the screensaver kicks in on 8.04 lately?

[21:37:17]

ajh:

not lirc I guess, since restarting the fe fixes it.

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roothorick:

does Myth have the capability to send the raw frames from my capture card to the frontend and have them encoded there?

[21:40:17]

gbee:

no

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devicenull:

is the fact that lirc is on /dev/lirc0 going to be a problem?

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gbee:

why would you want to do that?

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gbee:

devicenull: no

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GreyFoxx:

root: That would be an insane amount of bandwidth :)

[21:40:50]

ajh:

would be nice to add deferred decryption at some point, anyone know of plans to do that?

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roothorick:

gbee: the fastest machine I can offer to Myth is a 1Ghz Athlon

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GreyFoxx:

ajh: Myth doesn't do any decryption

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roothorick:

gbee: besides that is a PS3 I'm going to be getting soon, american model so no option of TV tuner

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ajh:

grey, it also won't store streams marked as encrypted, so it's doing something.

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gbee:

devicenull: myth doesn't care, it connects to lircd and not the raw device

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ajh:

I mean store the file even if it comes back when tuned as encrypted, and allow it to be decrypted later.

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devicenull:

hm

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GreyFoxx:

ajh: Myth does not decrypt anything. For users with encrypted sat streams and a CAM, then myth tells the hardware to decrypt it. Myth has nothing to do with it

[21:42:20]

ajh:

right now it stores a 0 length file which really confuses it.

[21:42:30]

devicenull:

well, I've got lircd working and irw indicates it's recieving it

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jarle:

anybody else noticed mythtv-setup crashing when scanning for dvb-s channels in 0.21-fixes? Never had a problem with this before :(

[21:42:43]

roothorick:

ajh: some capture cards refuse to even tune encrypted channels

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ajh:

yes, but it should either not record or record the raw.

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ajh:

either would be preferable to creating 0 byte files if the cam fails.

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GreyFoxx:

ajh: the problem with your logic is that it's possible for a show to start as encrypted content, but a few seconds, minutes, whatever in become unencrypted

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roothorick:

ajh: just a thought, Myth might not be catching the tune failure and assuming it's getting a stream from the card when nothing's actually coming out

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ajh:

perhaps removing the 0 length file when it de-tunes the stream then?

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GreyFoxx:

Nah, not unless something is done to otherwise let the user know there was a problem

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GreyFoxx:

otherwise people would just wonder why myth skipped the recording

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roothorick:

is 802.11g fast enough to stream raw HD streams over?

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beandog:

not even close.

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GreyFoxx:

of course we could fill the file with single encoded frames of "NOTHING HERE YET" over and over

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devicenull:

yay

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GreyFoxx:

root: define "RAW"

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devicenull:

remote works!

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roothorick:

GreyFoxx: straight off the cap card

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GreyFoxx:

It's going to depends on the bitrate of the recording, and how clean the signal is

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GreyFoxx:

theoretically it can, but in practice most people have problems

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roothorick:

GreyFoxx: QAM cable, so crystal clear signal

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devicenull:

is there any software that can retrieve info from something like imdb based off file/directory names?

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roothorick:

I can make do with analog for the time being if need be

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GreyFoxx:

devi: mythvideo contains that ability

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gbee:

roothorick: better to get a capture card with hardware encoding, e.g. Hauppauge PVR

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roothorick:

gbee: I thought the PVR series were analog only

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gbee:

roothorick: they are, digital cards don't need to do any encoding because the broadcast information is already encoded (usually as Mpeg-2 or AVC)

[21:48:50]

devicenull:

well, just volume doesnt work

[21:48:50]

devicenull:

hmm

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roothorick:

gbee: I'm aware. I have a HD/analog combo card that Linux likes, yeah frame grabber on analog and all that, but I think a 1Ghz Athlon can handle encoding 480i video

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: mythui uses a ram cache for loaded images doesn't it? To avoid loading multiple bits of a theme more than once right ?

[21:50:52]

roothorick:

gbee: the question is getting HD streams from my bedroom where the backend sits downstairs to the frontend on my PS3

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roothorick:

gbee: and this house is retarded enough that running cat5 down there would require major construction

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: mostly uses the same image cache as libmyth, the one I added last year – where images are inherited between widgets they share the same instance but there isn't any general image caching specific to mythui (yet)

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rwalker:

roothorick: You might look at the MOCA cable adapters, they are about $40–50 off ebay and use the coax to give you about 90mbs

[21:53:56]

GreyFoxx:

ok, I was just looking at QPixmapCache, might be useful

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GreyFoxx:

new to QT4

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sphery:

Jestrzcap: a 704x480 DVD is a (NTSC) Full D1 DVD with "cut" edges. The difference is that the player is supposed to overscan 720x480 (above and beyond the TV's overscan) and need not for 704x480 (though the TV still will)

[21:55:03]

roothorick:

hm, it may make more sense to use mythweb and UPnP instead of running an actual Myth frontend on the PS3

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devicenull:

hm

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devicenull:

moving around works on the remote, other functions dont

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DarkD:

whats the stable latest svn version?21-fixes/

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devicenull:

I'll have to play with it

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sphery:

Jestrzcap: 720x480 generally has unclean edges (rainbows, jagged edges, black bars, ...)

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iamlindoro_:

DarkD, Yes, .21-fixes

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gbee:

MythImage has full reference counting, a single image can be shared between all instances of a widget, but it uses QImage and not QPixmap. Scaling/transformation etc is faster with QImage, drawing is faster with QPixmap and all QImages are converted to QPixmap on drawing – at least with the QT Painter, not sure about the gl painter

[21:56:23]

sphery:

(this time I actually looked at the channel name before doing user support in the dev channel...)

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Jestrzcap:

hmm for some reason though mythdvd doesnt like how this dvd is reporting 704x480

[21:57:06]

Jestrzcap:

it seems like its an issue with the dvdinput tables

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sphery:

Yeah, that's quite possible. It's just one of the standard sizes for DVD, though. Nothing unusual about the disc.

[21:57:13]

gbee:

I'm not sure how we'd use QPixmapCache in Mythui without significant changes – but it's worth looking into all the same

[21:57:56]

Jestrzcap:

I must need to make another adjustment or two because its not doing the encoding correctly (rips the VOB but then fails to encode)

[21:58:32]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: What about your generic cache? Is it off the books, now?

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Jestrzcap:

i had just copied the 720x480 lines in the dvdtranscode table, but perhaps that isnt right

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devicenull:

hm.. http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1 seems to be wrong

[22:03:02]

sphery:

devicenull: it doesn't get updated much. Specifically, what parts are you noticing to be wrong?

[22:03:10]

devicenull:

oh

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devicenull:

the [ ] keyboard shortcuts

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sphery:

for volume?

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devicenull:

yea

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devicenull:

they actually slow down/speed up the vide

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iamlindoro_:

You must be using mplayer

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iamlindoro_:

and not internal

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iamlindoro_:

because that's what they do in mplayer

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devicenull:

ohh

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devicenull:

that might explain why the remote doesnt fully work too

[22:05:57]

devicenull:

is there a way around that? I'm using the mythvideo plugin

[22:06:11]

iamlindoro_:

Yeah, don't use mplayer.

[22:06:26]

devicenull:

I assume I could use it with vlc?

[22:06:41]

iamlindoro_:

I guess, smarter just to use the internal player unless you have a reason to do otherwise

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sphery:

If you use Internal, then (most of) those keybindings will be correct. :)

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devicenull:

for some reason, I didn't think the internal player would work with that plugin

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iamlindoro_:

Not so

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sphery:

just check the box "Use Internal" when setting up file associations (or, better, just don't do a file association for that extension)

[22:09:01]

devicenull:

ah

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iamlindoro_:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->General. Edit Default player. Then back out one screen and edit file types to make sure each has the "use default player" checked.

[22:09:11]

devicenull:

I'll give it a shot in a minute

[22:09:28]

sphery:

seems iamlindoro_ knows the terminology /much/ better than I

[22:09:38]

iamlindoro_:

Haha, doubtful, that's from memory :)

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sphery:

but it sounds more right than what I said.

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sphery:

mine, also, from memory

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iamlindoro_:

He'll get the picture one way or another, heh

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devicenull:

yep

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devicenull:

found it

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devicenull:

yep works now

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iamlindoro_:

You can replace the mplayer command line with the word "Internal" without the quotes, that's all it should need.

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iamlindoro_:

whoops, you were way ahead of me

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, time to go home

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devicenull:

only problem still is a slight video lag when I move up and down in the menus

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sphery:

no longer talking about the Internal player? I.e. talking about in the Myth user interface?

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devicenull:

yea

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sphery:

what proc & GPU?

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devicenull:

geforce 5200 , and a p4 3.2 iirc

[22:14:51]

sphery:

should be enough--even for OpenGL painter.

[22:15:14]

devicenull:

yea, only 14% cpu usage when playing video

[22:15:19]

sphery:

do you have the NVIDIA proprietary drivers installed in X (i.e. "nvidia", not "nv")

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kavorka^:

are there any solutions to preventing osd stutter with xvmc? have tried the usual suggestions but nothing is working...it seems like its unnavoidable

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devicenull:

no, its the nv driver

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devicenull:

should I have the nvidia one?

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sphery:

I /highly/ recommend the nvidia driver. (Even though I'm normally very much opposed to using proprietary drivers on GNU/Linux systems.)

[22:17:27]

JohnMahowald:

If you can't use intel :)

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devicenull:

alright, I'll give it a shot

[22:17:53]

sphery:

you'll probably fix the UI lag by installing it (assuming it's installed properly--it seems to be common for package-based installs of that driver to fail, talk with users of your distro for more info)

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jblack:

One of my front ends started segfaulting some while back, and i'm just now getting to look at it.

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sphery:

JohnMahowald: Yeah, with Intel GPU's, you can get 3rd-rate hardware with first-rate open drivers

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jblack:

mythvideo runs fine, attempting to watch recorded shows segfaults.

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sphery:

I'm looking forward to when the OSS ATI drivers become worth using (now that they're releasing specs).

[22:20:26]

sphery:

jblack: MythTV 0.21-fixes?

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jblack:

ubuntu, mythtv-frontend 0.21.0+fixes

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sphery:

Are you sure your playback profiles are properly configured?

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jblack:

No, I'm not.

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sphery:

My recommendation is to start with the (unmodified) Slim profile. If you've modified it, you can get it back as described at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles ).

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jblack:

renderer is xv-blit, decoder is standard, osd renderer is softblend

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sphery:

that's pretty much Slim (at least, that's the parts of Slim that I thought might be able to fix a misconfiguration).

[22:24:06]

sphery:

Next guess would be your video drivers. Are you sure they're properly installed?

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sphery:

(Though, regardless, Myth shouldn't segfault, so there is probably a bug in Myth, but without a 22.2 backtrace – http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 &ndas h; fixing it could be impossible).

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directhex:

or highly improbable

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directhex:

maybe infinitely so

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sphery:

the #ubuntu-mythtv guys may be able to help you get a backtrace

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sphery:

directhex: OK, I may have overstated it, but I was factoring in motivation to look for it. :)

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jblack:

I think the video is setup right. It's an older onboard ati, and glxgears works.

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jblack:

Yeah. I'll backtrace it. Good idea.

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jblack:

even without debugging symbols, I should get an idea of waht syscalls it made towards the end.

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sphery:

jblack: Ubuntu has separate symbols available so you can get a bt with symbols.

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sphery:

the guys in their mythtv channel know how to do it--I don't, though

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jblack:

I tried using those a few months ago on another system. I couldn't figure out how to make that work

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jblack:

lol. that was useless.

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sphery:

?

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jblack:

ldlinux.so in frame 0, and 0x000000 in frame 1.

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sphery:

nice

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rambo3:

i am running debian potato , how do install mythtv on it?

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purserj:

apt-get install mythtv?

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jblack:

rambo3: ha ha.

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rambo3:

so it will work on XFree86, great, what mirror is that purserj

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directhex:

it's just trolling. ignore it until it goes away

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directhex:

purserj, potato release date: 2000/08/15

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iamlindoro:

holahcrap directhex is back

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directhex:

where?

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iamlindoro:

must be done moving

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iamlindoro:

I've had to stomp out near illiteracy alone for weeks, it's been horrible

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devicenull:

ook, lets see if I broke x

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devicenull:

nope, works fine

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devicenull:

yay

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devicenull:

sphery: nvidia driver fixed it, thanks

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sphery:

devicenull: glad to help. sorry that the "fix" requires using code that we can't fix.

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devicenull:

I thought the binary drivers for graphics cards were pretty much standard, even in linxu

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devicenull:

though the only system's I've set up with X have been laptops with intel based graphics, so it's never been a big problem

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devicenull:

woah

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devicenull:

cpu usage is down to 0 while playing video too

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directhex:

devicenull, several distributions trivialize the steps of using them, but they're rarely on by default

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devicenull:

oh

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sphery:

devicenull: Yeah, there's the whole, "We refuse to give any non-free code in the default installation," philosophy. It's a good philosophy, too, because there's nothing Ubuntu or Red Hat or anyone else can do when NVIDIA has a bug in their code other than complain.

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directhex:

for which i have a handy @nvidia.com contact

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devicenull:

I cant really understand why they would keep it a secret, but I know virtually nothing about the drivers

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sphery:

Yeah, there's really no reason. I'm hoping that AMD's releasing the specs for ATI GPU's will convince NVIDIA of that.

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directhex:

code they don't own (licensed from third parties) and code which shows trade secrets which their competitors could use (diminishing their product's value) are two oft-cited reasons

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directhex:

note amd are releasing specs, not the source to their driver

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sphery:

(probably after NVIDIA spends thousands of hours and tons of money trying to figure out what they can learn from the specs to improve their hardware and then one day--finally stepping back from it all--they realize that they spent more money trying to reverse engineer than they would have spent just developing from scratch--which would have given a better end result, anyway)

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devicenull:

I thought that all of the features/etc would be in the hardware..

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sphery:

yeah, but I'd be happy with specs for NVIDIA

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devicenull:

and that the software would just be a simple interface between say opengl and the hardware

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sphery:

actually, I kind of prefer specs

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directhex:

a lot of the magic is in hardware; a lot is in software

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directhex:

turning a piece of silicon more complex than any cpu into an "easy" to use interface is non-trivial

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sphery:

Yeah, especially since--unlike with x86 processors--GPU's/GPU instruction sets were created independently by their respective companies. So, NVIDIA vs ATI is more like comparing x86 with PowerPC (not to say NVIDIA is more x86-like or anything) than like comparing Intel CPU's with AMD CPU's.

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directhex:

comparing x86 with powerpc, each of which has their own full-blown kernel

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directhex:

which happens to be binary compatible, no less

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devicenull:

ook

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devicenull:

next step, video capture card

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devicenull:

too many audio/video sources.. hmm

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kavorka^:

are there any solutions to preventing osd stutter with xvmc? have tried the usual suggestions but nothing is working...it seems like its unnavoidable...have a 6200 nvidia card

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kormoc:

kavorka^, turn off deinterlacing?

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kavorka^:

kormoc: let me try that...brb

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kavorka^:

yep...no difference...its actually only the audio thats stuttering...the video is fine

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kavorka^:

its a pity becuase xvmc is working great for me in 0.21 with hd

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kormoc:

turn off "Use video for timebase" ?

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AudioV:

when i was running an older version of ubuntu i had audio stuttering with xvmc on my fx5200

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lycan^:

finger kavorka^

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squish102:

kormoc your help with "Use video for timebase" worked for me, thanks

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lycan^:

AudioV: its kavorka here, did u end up resolving it?

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AudioV:

i don't think i did, i ended up switching to mythbuntu 7.10 and that fixed it

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lycan^:

i think the nvidia 6XXX series cards tend to be more problematic than the 5XXX series ones

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