| Tuesday, May 6th, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:09] | |Torg|: | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV |
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| [00:00:33] | gentoo: | |Torg|, hehe, have that open right now |
| [00:01:00] | gentoo: | my main problem is my computer has a loose nut on the keyboard |
| [00:01:08] | |Torg|: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Operating_system |
| [00:01:25] | gentoo: | I tried emerge mythtv and got !!!ARCH is not set .... |
| [00:01:48] | gentoo: | so, still have lots of linux loving to learn |
| [00:02:02] | |Torg|: | I run ubuntu boxes, sorry cant help you with portage problems |
| [00:02:10] | kormoc: | gentoo, you likely shouldn't be using Gentoo then (and generic nicks suck...) |
| [00:02:48] | gentoo: | yeah, thats why I am wondering if I should try patching up this old gentoo install or start fresh with a dedicated mythtv distro |
| [00:03:10] | |Torg|: | there is no dedicates myth distro |
| [00:03:17] | |Torg|: | there are some prebilt distros that use mythtv |
| [00:03:22] | kormoc: | gentoo, that box never should have worked or installed. Arch is set in your /etc/make.conf file |
| [00:03:31] | kormoc: | |Torg|, splitting hairs.... |
| [00:03:35] | gentoo: | kormoc, yeah, default for livecd |
| [00:03:38] | |Torg|: | http://www.mysettopbox.tv/ |
| [00:03:55] | gentoo is now known as Portage_Killer | |
| [00:03:58] | Portage_Killer: | hows that |
| [00:04:30] | Dagmar: | nasa: So what part of "expand the size of the partition" in the documentation is eluding you |
| [00:05:03] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: Got a tracking number yet for your HD-PVR? |
| [00:05:14] | |Torg|: | Dagmar: probbly the part that comes right after http://www.google.com/search?q=gparted+increase+parition+size |
| [00:05:18] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: I've been gone for a week, so I'm out of the loop! |
| [00:05:26] | iamlindoro: | Tanthrix: Nope, per some of what I've read it looks more like the 15th for actual shipping |
| [00:05:32] | Dagmar: | Torg: I think you might be right |
| [00:05:39] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: Lame. |
| [00:05:57] | beandog: | iamlindoro, whatd you get? |
| [00:05:58] | iamlindoro: | Tanthrix: Yeah, but after this much waiting, what's two weeks? I've got a busy few weeks anyway |
| [00:06:11] | iamlindoro: | beandog: Hauppauge HD-PVR |
| [00:06:15] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: Hehe true. I just read the scrollback a bit though – sucks that it doesn't scale. |
| [00:06:17] | beandog: | oh, rawk |
| [00:06:21] | |Torg|: | iamlindoro did you get confrimattion its shipped, mine says 4–7 busniess days |
| [00:06:31] | Dagmar: | I think this may be the last damn time I order anything from Newegg |
| [00:06:46] | iamlindoro: | Again, no, shipping on the first units won't happen until about the 15th |
| [00:06:48] | Dagmar: | Stuff I order on Saturday in the AM should damn well ship on Monday |
| [00:06:56] | iamlindoro: | and that's ordered straight from Hauppauge |
| [00:07:04] | Dagmar: | ...and they're just jerking people around with this $3 "rush processing" fee |
| [00:07:22] | kormoc: | Dagmar, They always ship my stuff at like 7 or 8pm when I order on weekends |
| [00:07:23] | Dagmar: | Before they had that, everything I ordered from them shipped before the end of business if I ordered in the middle of the night |
| [00:07:37] | Dagmar: | kormoc: 7pm the same day or on Monday? |
| [00:07:42] | kormoc: | Dagmar, they're just too big. |
| [00:07:45] | kormoc: | Dagmar, Monday |
| [00:07:46] | Portage_Killer: | hey, interesting read at that site |Torg| |
| [00:07:52] | Dagmar: | They split my latest order, and half of it now _no longer_ says it was shipped |
| [00:08:06] | Dagmar: | I think they're deliberately delaying orders |
| [00:08:37] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: Since it doesn't scale, I suppose that means it has no deinterlacer. |
| [00:08:37] | kormoc: | I know a few guys that work there, they just are doing their best and it's no longer perfect |
| [00:08:39] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [00:08:50] | Dagmar: | Hmm... you might be right then |
| [00:09:07] | iamlindoro: | Tanthrix: Probably not, but oh well. Anything on top of the actual capture is gravy for me |
| [00:09:11] | Dagmar: | Either way it looks shifty as hell |
| [00:09:31] | Dagmar: | I know of some companies before that have gotten into trouble over waiting three days to ship something that 2-day shipping was paid extra for |
| [00:09:40] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: True enough. |
| [00:09:44] | Dagmar: | NewEgg looks like they're going to be heading the same routert |
| [00:11:42] | kormoc: | Dagmar, they're still fighting the good fight, but it's hard to stay on top. |
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| [00:13:31] | Dagmar: | On a side note, I may be filing a defamation suit against a certain lawyer-happy media company. |
| [00:13:48] | Dagmar: | They seem to have fingered the desktop I use at work as being the source of some "copyright infringement" |
| [00:14:05] | nasa: | Dagmar: I guess I am having problems figuring out how to expand the size of the array. Gparted won't do it (it doesn't seem to work with LVM), I really don't want to fdisk it, vgextend seems to be for adding additional disk.... What am I missing? |
| [00:14:33] | kormoc: | nasa, you use lvm to expand the array size |
| [00:14:43] | Dagmar: | nasa: You're missing reading the documentation, because there's more than just that |
| [00:14:59] | wagner: | i assume fdisk is typically not used in combination with an lvm volume anyway |
| [00:15:05] | Dagmar: | it _can_ be |
| [00:15:11] | Dagmar: | It's just not wholly necessary |
| [00:15:26] | Dagmar: | You can put the LVM stuff inside a partition or not. LVM doens't care. |
| [00:15:39] | Dagmar: | It's simpler just to apply it to whole disks |
| [00:16:20] | ward1983: | wagner: thanx for the link, i was away for a moment |
| [00:16:23] | Dagmar: | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/anatomy.html <-- makes it a *tiny* bit clearer |
| [00:16:56] | wagner: | ward1983: yeah, its relatively simple to do |
| [00:17:05] | wagner: | i have mine set up on a cronjob to back up weekly |
| [00:17:19] | Dagmar: | nasa: Look at the second illustration on that page |
| [00:18:12] | Dagmar: | You can't just poke commands at LVM without knowing how it works, or it will be a continued source of pain and confusion. |
| [00:18:19] | ward1983: | wagner: ill just do a full reinstall and then write down how i did it so i can do it agian without asking help |
| [00:18:29] | Dagmar: | Hence, ya gotta read the docs until you understand how it's actually working. |
| [00:18:35] | ward1983: | wagner: but ill be bqck for thqt tomorrow its getting really late |
| [00:18:51] | wagner: | well the page is always there to read |
| [00:18:52] | ward1983: | wagner: thanx for the help, maybe till tolorrow |
| [00:19:27] | ward1983: | wagner: yes but i think maybe its best to jsut install again so i can write down everything |
| [00:20:07] | wagner: | if you install from fresh, you lose all your previous recordings, nevermind whatever settings you have |
| [00:20:42] | Dagmar: | Ah you don't *lose* them exactly |
| [00:20:57] | wagner: | well the files are still there, but myth loses track of them |
| [00:20:58] | Dagmar: | Unless you erase where they were stored, you still have them. You just lose all information about WHAT they are. |
| [00:21:14] | wagner: | plus it loses track of what you have previously recorded and deleted |
| [00:21:16] | Dagmar: | I've still got about 65Gb left to identify out of the 1.5Tb array |
| [00:21:32] | nasa: | From the picture — I need the VG size to match the size of the array. This suggest using vgextend, but since the partition in question is already added — do I need to remove and re add it? |
| [00:21:33] | ward1983: | wagner: thats ok i only had 3 temporary ones and i can copy them if i want |
| [00:21:38] | Dagmar: | Moral: Back up your @#$@#$ database frequently |
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| [00:23:50] | Dagmar: | nasa: You need to keep reading because it shouldn't have been possible for you to add a partition where you think you did. |
| [00:27:43] | nasa: | Dagmar: let me back up. Prior to expanding my array, I had installed LVM on top of my Raid-5 array (size at that time was 893G). This was done following these instructions: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LVM_on_RAID (ignoring the software raid parts, of course). Later on, I added a new drive and let the raid software rebuild the array (new size 1.2T) |
| [00:28:47] | nasa: | The original partition was/is /dev/sda1 (which is the pv added to my lv – video_lv) |
| [00:30:35] | nasa: | I would like to grow/expand /dev/sda1 to it's new size. BTW: fdisk could never open this device anyways (I played with that when I setup the array to start) |
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| [00:32:51] | nasa: | I guess, I could create a new partition with gparted and use that as a new pv — but wouldn't that lead to running out of physical/extended partitions? |
| [00:34:46] | kormoc: | nasa, what is /dev/sda? |
| [00:35:30] | nasa: | It's my raid array |
| [00:35:49] | nasa: | or more accurately the device pointing to it |
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| [00:36:17] | kormoc: | nasa, so you'd fdisk /dev/sda and grow the partition that way, not /dev/sda1 |
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| [00:37:25] | Lynet: | nasa: You have two options: grow sda1 to fill the whole device, or make sda2 and add it as a new pv. |
| [00:37:56] | nasa: | If I follow, growing sda1 will be a destructive option |
| [00:39:08] | |Torg|: | you can erase the paritions, and then put them back without destrying data |
| [00:39:27] | |Torg|: | you can grwo the partation, delete it and recreate it, without detroying data |
| [00:39:35] | |Torg|: | but DO NOT do it on a mounted file system |
| [00:40:05] | kormoc: | nasa, the partition table *shouldn't* cause data loss, but as always, ymmv |
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| [00:41:40] | |Torg|: | nasa dd if=/dev/sda of=/some/dir/not/on/sda/file.mbr bs=512 count=1 |
| [00:41:57] | |Torg|: | that is a backup of your master boot record, in that record is the partition table |
| [00:42:15] | nasa: | |Torg|: that's a smart move |
| [00:43:02] | |Torg|: | then use gpartd ala the google link I showed you earlier to expand that partion or alternatly as kormoc said create a sda2 |
| [00:43:35] | |Torg|: | if you do the second add the pv to the lvm then xfs_groefs the filesystem |
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| [00:44:04] | Dagmar: | Mind you there are _three_ levels of containers involved in this |
| [00:44:49] | Dagmar: | The first level is the hardware. Each physical drive can/should be thought of as a bucket of a particular size (whatever size it actually is) |
| [00:45:03] | Lynet: | So today's lesson is – don't partition raid devices if you run lvm on top of it. |
| [00:45:11] | Dagmar: | You said you were using hardware raid, so any drives under the control of your _hardware raid array_ the operating system will *not* see. |
| [00:45:25] | Dagmar: | It will only see the fake bucket that your hardware RAID array card is presenting to it |
| [00:46:01] | |Torg|: | Lynet: there is nothign wrong with his runing lvm on top of that raid array, other then he does not understand how it works |
| [00:46:20] | Dagmar: | ...and him not understanding is what we're trying to fix. |
| [00:47:01] | Dagmar: | So, from that illustration in the LVM HOWTO... he should only have one PE as far as LVM is concerned |
| [00:47:05] | Lynet: | |Torg|; It adds an additional complication when you expand the raid, you need to resize the partition (or add new partition) to give lvm access to the additional space. |
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| [00:48:01] | Dagmar: | i.e., unless he's made this unnecessarily complex, he's got one PV (physical volume) which contains one PE (physical extent) |
| [00:48:24] | Dagmar: | The size of his PE has changed since he added a drive |
| [00:49:05] | Dagmar: | ...and afaik that's something that needs to be addressed in the BIOS overlay or RAID management utility specific to his hardware controller card. |
| [00:49:16] | Dagmar: | THIS is the bit that I suspect is confusing the hell out of him |
| [00:49:46] | Dagmar: | Controller managers don't always make the virtual drive they're presenting the OS expand without being told to |
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| [00:50:26] | Dagmar: | ...so you can add a drive and make it part of the array, but until you tell the array manager to include that drive in the virtual disk it's presenting to the OS, nothing ya do in the software is going to affect much |
| [00:51:07] | |Torg|: | additially I suspect, becae he is using a low end raid card, that it injects itslef into bios and it will require a reboot, posibly even a power down then power on of the system after he grows that raid array |
| [00:51:14] | Dagmar: | Yep |
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| [00:51:23] | Dagmar: | That's one of the slightly annoying hassles |
| [00:51:36] | Lynet: | Dagmar: I think that bit is ok, problem is he used a partition on the raid device as a pv instead of using the entire device as a pv. So now he has free unpartitioned space on the device (as confirmed by his comment on gparted showing that). |
| [00:51:39] | Dagmar: | Most operating systems somewhat make an assumption that a physical device is *not* going to suddenly change size |
| [00:52:15] | Dagmar: | Lynet: Ah... if you're right (and I couldn't tell because he was unclear) then yeah, he's got to make that partition larger |
| [00:52:30] | |Torg|: | dosnt even work with emulaex or qloigc fiber cards, the card itslef has what in its map and needs a reboot |
| [00:52:36] | |Torg|: | its more a hardware issue then an OS one tho |
| [00:52:45] | Dagmar: | I *don't* partition disks when I'm using LVM over an entire actual disk just to avoid that complication |
| [00:52:59] | Lynet: | So today's lesson is – don't partition raid devices if you run lvm on top of it. |
| [00:53:08] | Dagmar: | Yeah, it's a waste of time. |
| [00:53:16] | Dagmar: | Doesn't hurt anything, but it's a needless complication |
| [00:53:53] | |Torg|: | you can add dont run low level raid cards in your system for mythtv, as storage directories work fine |
| [00:53:53] | Dagmar: | It's about as useful as partitioning a disk, filling the partition with a filesystem, adding a file that fills the entire space, and then mounting that file as a filesystem over loop |
| [00:53:54] | nasa: | Lynet: Your on top of this |
| [00:54:15] | czth_: | my SDTV TV died and i'm getting an HDTV. for shows that are broadcast in widescreen, does that mean i'll be getting black bars both above and to the side (assuming still using normal cable, not HD)? |
| [00:54:18] | Dagmar: | It's just putting a box inside another box |
| [00:54:43] | Dagmar: | czth: Only if they were broadcast with black bars to begin with |
| [00:54:46] | Lynet: | Dagmar: Shudder. Sorta like nesting virtual machines. |
| [00:54:51] | Dagmar: | Lynet: yes |
| [00:54:51] | czth_: | (since presumably the broadcast is a regular SDTV box, which the HDTV will just center as with any feed?) |
| [00:55:23] | Dagmar: | Yeah, if the broadcast is in SD and it's letterboxed, you'll have a black space all around |
| [00:55:24] | czth_: | Dagmar: hm. so those shows are broadcast at the widescreen size and the TV puts in the top/bottom bars if it's an SD unit? |
| [00:55:29] | czth_: | ah :( |
| [00:55:29] | Dagmar: | ...for which you can hit 'W' twice |
| [00:55:36] | czth_: | nice |
| [00:55:37] | nasa: | Lynet: one note — you can't use parted to resize the partition. It doesn't understand how to work with LVM |
| [00:55:43] | Dagmar: | czth: Not necessarily. |
| [00:55:48] | czth_: | bad res.? |
| [00:55:55] | Dagmar: | If they're _actually_ broadcast in widescreen, you'll get no bars |
| [00:56:14] | Dagmar: | nasa: You don't need parted, really. |
| [00:56:15] | Lynet: | nasa: Which leaves option 2, create sda2 to use the free space and add that as a pv. |
| [00:56:17] | czth_: | is it possible for them to be broadcast in widescreen over standard cable? |
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| [00:56:34] | Dagmar: | czth: NTSC is 4:3 only, dude. |
| [00:56:39] | czth_: | also, is there any solution yet for MythTV to record encrypted HDTV over cable, or still just unencrypted? |
| [00:56:54] | Dagmar: | czth: Som "standard cable" as most people view it is going to be NTSC |
| [00:56:58] | Lynet: | Dagmar: Does lvm include a tool for resizing a partition? |
| [00:57:02] | |Torg|: | there is no decrytion in mythtv, none at all |
| [00:57:07] | Dagmar: | ...so anything "widescreen" on that is going to be letterboxed (hitting 'w' twice rescales it) |
| [00:57:19] | czth_: | so, chances are, double bars, unless i zoom, which will probably be ugly |
| [00:57:36] | Dagmar: | czth: Fuzzy maybe, ugly, not so much |
| [00:57:45] | czth_: | fuzzy = ugly to me |
| [00:57:56] | Dagmar: | Lynet: LVM at that lower level simply presents a fake disk.. |
| [00:58:04] | |Torg|: | lvextend |
| [00:58:10] | nasa: | Lynet: Option 2 it is... |
| [00:58:13] | czth_: | |Torg|: do you know of any open source project that does HDTV decryption? |
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| [00:58:29] | czth_: | or a hardware soln? |
| [00:58:42] | Dagmar: | He shouldn't have to create a second fake drive using the hardware card. |
| [00:58:45] | |Torg|: | its hardware encrytion, on the transport stream and other then dvb2 cards with a CI, no |
| [00:58:48] | Lynet: | nasa: Or backup and recreate your lvm setup but now using /dev/sda as pv instead of /dev/sda1 |
| [00:58:50] | nasa: | lvextend is for Logical volumes — were talking physical stuff here |
| [00:59:01] | czth_: | CI? |
| [00:59:41] | |Torg|: | its a way to add a decrution device, called a CAM (Conditioanl Access Module) to a DVB card |
| [00:59:45] | cheatersrealm: | during tv-watching, there is a black space at the left side of the screen, and sometimes there is a white/black bar at the top that is blinking and changing. Any ideas? |
| [00:59:48] | |Torg|: | you get the CAM from the providers |
| [00:59:59] | czth_: | can that work with mythTV? |
| [01:00:10] | Dagmar: | cheatersrealm: Adjust your overscan. The wiki has gobs of data about that |
| [01:00:15] | |Torg|: | like I said its hardware, nothing to do with mythtv |
| [01:00:16] | cheatersrealm: | ok |
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| [01:00:41] | czth_: | but i can buy hw that will decrypt it and feed it to an HDTV capture card? |
| [01:00:51] | Dagmar: | Not in the US. |
| [01:00:52] | iamlindoro: | czth_: If you're in the us, a CAM/CI is not an option for you |
| [01:01:04] | czth_: | hrm. possible to get one from elsewhere that works in the US? |
| [01:01:04] | Dagmar: | Yay for bullshit DMCA protection |
| [01:01:06] | |Torg|: | cheatersrealm: that white changin bacd is because you see ALL of the scan lines, you can move them off the top of teh screem, the black space on teh sides is called pillar boxing, like letter boxing is for SD to show HD, pillarboxing is for HD to show SD |
| [01:01:17] | cheatersrealm: | Dagmar: this is true even if the mythtv menu doesn't seem to be getting any overscan? |
| [01:01:18] | iamlindoro: | czth_: No, totally different technologies |
| [01:01:27] | nasa: | Lynet: is there any real advantage to recreating everything, now that I understand how I messed it up? |
| [01:01:36] | ** czth_ burns down his cable company ** | |
| [01:01:41] | Dagmar: | cheatersrealm: You gotta understand taht the "image" part of the broadcast, the part that you _want_ to see, doesn't fill up the entire space of the signal that is being broadcast. |
| [01:01:46] | cheatersrealm: | |Torg|: I think it's overscan for both probably, but I fixed the overscan from computer->tv, but probably not on the input |
| [01:02:02] | Lynet: | nasa: afaik not really, except unless you expand your raid so many times that you run out of partitions. |
| [01:02:18] | cheatersrealm: | Dagmar: right I understand that, but I already dealt with the overscan problems from my videocard to my tv. I am guessing I need to deal with overscan on the pvr-500 in my computer |
| [01:02:24] | Dagmar: | The first 8 (something like that, probably not 8) scan lines or so are always used for VBI (vertical blanking interval) which is partly so that TVs don't "roll" the picture, and partly where they wedge in closed-captioning information and some other crap |
| [01:02:44] | Dagmar: | cheatersrealm: I wouldn't be so sure about that |
| [01:02:56] | Dagmar: | cheaters: One moment |
| [01:03:10] | |Torg|: | cheatersrealm: I assume you are watching an NTSC bordcast that wite flickering bar is the VBI and the stuff you see are things like closed caption. Most TVs simply crop it out, an HDTV esp one shown on a computer display does not. Its why you see it and why mythtv has adjustment settings |
| [01:03:24] | Dagmar: | cheatersrealm: Put the image from this page into MythGallery http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Cheatsheet.png |
| [01:03:28] | Dagmar: | Then view it |
| [01:03:37] | Dagmar: | If you can see the red areas, you don't have overscan set properly |
| [01:03:50] | cheatersrealm: | nice |
| [01:03:52] | cheatersrealm: | ok, will do |
| [01:04:10] | Dagmar: | That's part of the reason I made that and put it up there, aside from the whole "would you themeing people stop abusing overscan" issue |
| [01:04:34] | Dagmar: | Most video card s-video outputs pretty much implement ZERO overscan, so you wind up seeing _all_ the image |
| [01:04:59] | Dagmar: | 4:3 themes which do not respect the overscan area should /really/ be considered broken |
| [01:05:43] | Dagmar: | If you're using an nvidia card, you should be able to use the nvidia configuration program to adjust the output to use enough overscan to eliminate the problem at the video card "level" |
| [01:05:57] | wagner: | that image is fantastic |
| [01:06:09] | Dagmar: | ...then you don't have to screw around with telling myth to artifically expand the TV picture and not the interface |
| [01:06:44] | Dagmar: | Although that's a perfectly reasonable solution, it's also more complex and a bit of a hassle |
| [01:08:07] | Dagmar: | wagner: You should see the skew/density test image I was working on before I decided I needed to stop allowing my OCD to run amok |
| [01:09:05] | nasa: | ok, fdisk didn't destroy any data. So both fdisk and gparted show /dev/sda1 as the full space. However, this leaves me with figuring out how to grow the VG — vgextend seems to be only for adding new drives... |
| [01:09:14] | cheatersrealm: | Dagmar: I see that whole picture through the mythgallery thing. |
| [01:09:17] | Dagmar: | People who are OCD should _never_ attempt to perfectly calibrate a tube TV |
| [01:09:28] | cheatersrealm: | Dagmar: fwiw I have a sony hdtv though. |
| [01:09:34] | Dagmar: | cheatersrealm: Yeah, most of the fully red overscan area should actually be offscreen |
| [01:10:06] | cheatersrealm: | why would it do that though when your picture is smaller than the res of my tv |
| [01:10:14] | Dagmar: | cheatersrealm: Then you can at least expect that that junk you're not supposed to see will disappear when you use 'W' to zoom in |
| [01:10:33] | Lynet: | nasa: pvresize? |
| [01:10:46] | Dagmar: | cheatersrealm: Because it's going to display an SD image that goes from the absolute bottom of your display to the absolute top of the display |
| [01:11:34] | Dagmar: | So, you'll be seeing all 525 scan lines of the broadcast generally |
| [01:11:36] | cheatersrealm: | when I hit W, I don't quite see all of 'safe title area' and then I see all of the side overscan area |
| [01:11:49] | cheatersrealm: | no red at top or bottom |
| [01:12:10] | Dagmar: | cheatersrealm: 'w' zooms in so that you can make letterboxed SD broadcasts fill the entire widescreen display |
| [01:12:18] | Dagmar: | It and overscan have next to nothing to do with each other |
| [01:12:36] | cheatersrealm: | then how am I supposed to use the picture to adjust the overscan? |
| [01:12:52] | Dagmar: | You're using the VGA output on your video card and not the s-video output, right? |
| [01:13:12] | cheatersrealm: | right |
| [01:13:39] | Dagmar: | Yeah, so, the fun thing is that this is letting yout video card fill the display _exactly_ |
| [01:13:46] | cheatersrealm: | actually dvi, but using the converter to vga |
| [01:13:53] | Dagmar: | ...which is good. |
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| [01:14:00] | nasa: | Lynet: pvresize — fixed it so vgdisplay and pvdisplay show the full amount. But mounting it doesnt'.... |
| [01:14:16] | Dagmar: | nasa: because your filesystem hasn't been grown to fill the virtual partition yet |
| [01:15:02] | Dagmar: | cheatersrealm: You also won't (shouldn't) need to mess with the nvidia-configuration program, either |
| [01:15:18] | cheatersrealm: | so what do I use? |
| [01:15:22] | Dagmar: | ...but you might want to artifically force Myth to compensate for overscan "somewhere in the frontend menus" |
| [01:15:43] | Dagmar: | I just ignore it, personally, since probably 99% of what I watch is letterboxed. |
| [01:15:52] | cheatersrealm: | ok, ill just use that |
| [01:15:55] | Dagmar: | Sci-fi, Sci-fi, and more Sci-fi |
| [01:16:09] | |Torg|: | Dagmar: do you mean pillarboxed? |
| [01:16:19] | Dagmar: | Once I've hit W twice, all that extra cruft disappears |
| [01:16:24] | Dagmar: | Torq: No, I mean letterboxed. |
| [01:16:30] | Dagmar: | I have "standard cable" |
| [01:16:38] | Dagmar: | I'll go digital after they force me to |
| [01:16:38] | wagner: | never heard of 'pillarboxed' |
| [01:17:02] | |Torg|: | balck bars on top and bottom is lett boxed it is how you what widescreen on a non widescreen format |
| [01:17:03] | cheatersrealm: | I might as well spend the 2 hours to get the thing working better since I'm going to leave it for the forseable future, except maybe adding a hdtv card to it |
| [01:17:04] | Dagmar: | wagner: That's the bars to the left and right of the picture you get when watching 4:3 content on a 16:9 display |
| [01:17:15] | wagner: | ah |
| [01:17:20] | Dagmar: | "Pillars" of black |
| [01:17:28] | |Torg|: | balc bars on teh sides is how SD is brodcast in HD, as in how I watch some of my Sd shows that are brodcast on ATSC |
| [01:17:44] | |Torg|: | Ive seen plenty of pillar boxing |
| [01:17:46] | Dagmar: | There's a fancy name for having a box all the way 'round, but some people have too much time on their hands to make up names for @#$@ |
| [01:18:00] | |Torg|: | ESPN is a good eampe of pillarboxing but they add a logo instead of pillars |
| [01:18:20] | ** nasa is all smiles.... ** | |
| [01:18:25] | Dagmar: | torq: Really? I'd ahve thought they'd be all over filling a 16:9 display with sports |
| [01:18:38] | Dagmar: | More football field on the screen at once and all that |
| [01:19:02] | |Torg|: | yes Dagmar at least as far as I have seen watching ESPNHD |
| [01:19:18] | Dagmar: | They put 4:3 stuff on ESPNHD? |
| [01:19:19] | Dagmar: | Madness |
| [01:19:30] | |Torg|: | a huh and call it HD becase thye pillar boxed it |
| [01:19:31] | Dagmar: | I'd have thought they'd be going 100% 16:9 on that channel |
| [01:19:35] | Dagmar: | Laaame |
| [01:19:50] | |Torg|: | its been slowly going away, I see it very often on ATSC daytime stuff |
| [01:20:00] | Dagmar: | Some sneaky lawyer will be on them about that eventually I guess |
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| [01:20:47] | Lynet: | "Causing emotional distress" should be a slam dunk in that case. |
| [01:20:50] | Dagmar: | Some asshat just sucessfully pressed a suit against Creative over their hard-disk-based mp3 players because they were representing the drive sizes as decimal instead of base-2 |
| [01:20:59] | Dagmar: | I almost coulnd't believe that |
| [01:21:00] | nasa: | To sum it up (in case someone else is searching).... After backing up my MBR, I used fdisk to remove the main partition and then created a new one with the full size. After a reboot, gparted showed the drive size as expected. Follow this up by extending the Physical Volume (pv) with pvresize, followed by the Volume Group(VG) with vgresize, lgresize, and then grow the filesysem |
| [01:21:31] | Dagmar: | nasa: This is why I was saying you didn't need that partitioning tool you were using |
| [01:22:03] | Dagmar: | You'd have only needed that if you had to _move_ data (like resize a partition that had a filesystem in it to elsewhere on the disk) |
| [01:22:17] | Dagmar: | All you needed to do was change the number that represents the end of the partition |
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| [01:23:27] | Dagmar: | Like, let's say your actual disks looked like |..........| |
| [01:23:46] | Dagmar: | ...and then you add a partition into that and you get |[..........]| |
| [01:24:03] | Dagmar: | ...and once you added a disk into the raid array, you had |[..........]..........| |
| [01:24:35] | nasa: | With you so far.... |
| [01:24:44] | Dagmar: | Just to make things nice and crazy, we'll say a filesystem is represented by ()'s, meaning the whole thing would be |[(..........)]..........| |
| [01:25:10] | Dagmar: | So with fdisk alone, you'd move hte end of the partition, giving you |[(..........)..........]| |
| [01:25:26] | Dagmar: | ...and then you grow the filesystem (if it's a type that supports it |
| [01:25:44] | Dagmar: | This is why I kept saying "read... until you understand how it goes together, this is painful" |
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| [01:26:05] | Dagmar: | It's basically, a box, within a box, within a box, within a box stuff, so the documentation's verbiage becomes a bit convoluted |
| [01:26:45] | ** nasa feels a least a little smarter than a couple of hours ago... ** | |
| [01:26:52] | Dagmar: | This is a good thing. |
| [01:27:04] | Dagmar: | Each problem you solve makes the next one easier to solve. |
| [01:27:54] | Dagmar: | Aha! Found it. *486* scan lines are supposed to be image |
| [01:28:03] | Dagmar: | So, whatever 525–486 is is the VBIU |
| [01:28:05] | Dagmar: | er VBI. |
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| [01:28:32] | Dagmar: | But, since this is analog stuff and not like comp sci geeks are used to, _exactly where_ in that mess the image is supposed to be is something that's not so well defined or enforced |
| [01:28:54] | Dagmar: | ...because broadcasters expect that any 4:3 TV is going to have the very edges of the broadcast off-screen anyway. |
| [01:28:55] | nasa: | Thanks a lot for all the help — It now way past my bed time, so I will have to sign off. |
| [01:29:01] | nasa: | Thanks again |
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| [01:30:41] | Dagmar: | So, with a tuner card, if we're looking at _everything_ the capture card picked up, sometimes we end up with some scan lines the broadcaster didn't think anyone was going to see, which might be filled with something they use internally, might be filled with nothing at all, or might be filled with leftover crap from whatever they recorded off their satellite feed |
| [01:31:17] | Dagmar: | If you are OCD, the more you know about NTSC, the shorter your fingernails get |
| [01:31:30] | Dagmar: | ...hair loss notwithstanding. |
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| [01:32:02] | Dagmar: | ...and the urge to rock back and forth is normal. |
| [01:32:50] | beandog: | heh |
| [01:32:56] | Dagmar: | I considered the upgrade to a 32" LCD that I could use VGA output with to be a health care expenditure. |
| [01:33:16] | beandog: | it's all about your sanity |
| [01:33:21] | Dagmar: | damn skippy |
| [01:34:14] | Dagmar: | Yesterday my co-worker was complaining that he was having the urge to kill people, because he'd left his pills at home. |
| [01:34:49] | Dagmar: | I didn't think it wise to ask why he took pills for that. I was under the impression it was normal. |
| [01:35:11] | Dagmar: | We can't rack machines if he is afraid to turn his back to me. hehe |
| [01:38:07] | Enmity: | lots of work to do, but now time to veg out at work. Later yall |
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| [01:38:22] | Dagmar: | Huh? |
| [01:38:27] | Dagmar: | Isn't that what IRC is for? |
| [01:38:55] | Dagmar: | Isn't like 1/4 of the channel getting paid right now? Hehe |
| [01:38:59] | |Torg|: | no its for wasting time while watching the migration go from 35% go 36% |
| [01:39:14] | Dagmar: | Ah.... |
| [01:39:45] | |Torg|: | cuase,umm, im suposed to watcht eh migrationa nd get paid to umm, monitor its progress....yea thats what im doing :) |
| [01:40:53] | PatrickDK: | hmm, I get payed to work |
| [01:41:00] | PatrickDK: | watching irc is a fringe benifit :) |
| [01:41:08] | PatrickDK: | and helps keep me from working too hard |
| [01:41:36] | |Torg|: | well I *AM* working, its better then watching the GUI click off percentrages and lie abuot its completion esitmate |
| [01:42:03] | PatrickDK: | I am doing 3 works at the same time :) |
| [01:42:14] | PatrickDK: | updating/fixing a computer over rdp |
| [01:42:22] | PatrickDK: | adding email accounts to exchange |
| [01:42:30] | PatrickDK: | adding accounts to the blackberry server |
| [01:42:56] | Dagmar: | Yay for work! |
| [01:43:10] | Dagmar: | I'm patiently waiting for something to go wrong. |
| [01:43:27] | PatrickDK: | dagmar, that was last wednesday for me :) |
| [01:43:28] | Dagmar: | ...although I'm about to go move two servers and plug in some ethernet on another one |
| [01:43:35] | PatrickDK: | at&t cancelled the company cellphone account |
| [01:43:39] | PatrickDK: | all blackberrys broke |
| [01:43:43] | cheatersrealm: | Dagmar: so I just zoomed a few % and moved it so the picture is pretty good. Obviously it's not a great solution, but it'll do. |
| [01:43:44] | Dagmar: | Patrick: My main job function is waiting for something to go wrong |
| [01:43:47] | PatrickDK: | and of couse it is my fault :) |
| [01:44:08] | PatrickDK: | since I have nothing to do with at&t |
| [01:44:11] | Dagmar: | I have to say I find the idea of that hilarioous. |
| [01:44:17] | Dagmar: | I know how blackberry users are about that |
| [01:44:29] | PatrickDK: | well, at&t fixed them last friday night |
| [01:44:31] | |Torg|: | and next time that PM calls me ill give him the status update of "it aint broke, it aint done, and it aint gona go any faster the more times you ask" |
| [01:44:37] | PatrickDK: | but the new phones we order are all wrong :( |
| [01:44:53] | cheatersrealm: | Dagmar: you wouldn't happen to know how to properly set-up filters for playback, would you? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Filter_Instructions doesn't seem to be applicable to playback filters anymore. |
| [01:45:29] | Dagmar: | cheatersrealm: Frankly, I don't mess with filters at all |
| [01:45:47] | cheatersrealm: | hrm. |
| [01:45:47] | Dagmar: | They don't affect as much with an LCD display |
| [01:46:31] | Dagmar: | If you were still using a CRT with raster scan lines, it would matter much more, but the pixels on an LCD are pretty much lit all the time, so the worst one has to worry about IMHO is just vertical sync to avoid the occasional bit of tearing |
| [01:46:51] | cheatersrealm: | Dagmar: I was hoping to do some noise reduction on cpu because the TV isn't doing it from this signal now |
| [01:47:13] | Dagmar: | Well, it's basically a dropdown-list of possible options, IIRC |
| [01:47:25] | cheatersrealm: | under the frontend menus? |
| [01:47:28] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [01:47:36] | cheatersrealm: | grr. I'll keep looking then |
| [01:47:45] | cheatersrealm: | these menus are the size of a continent |
| [01:47:50] | Dagmar: | Yep. |
| [01:47:58] | Dagmar: | After awhile you get used to wandering around in them. |
| [01:48:21] | kash: | son of a bitch, why doesn't http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/FAQ work |
| [01:48:24] | Dagmar: | ...or at least can narrow it down to 2–3 things to look through to find something you've seen before |
| [01:48:25] | kash: | for me |
| [01:49:34] | Dagmar: | kash: Maybe hit shift-reload |
| [01:49:39] | Dagmar: | It pulls up for me. |
| [01:49:48] | Dagmar: | You might have a broken file in your browser cache |
| [01:50:00] | kash: | Network Timeout |
| [01:50:00] | kash: | |
| [01:50:00] | kash: | |
| [01:50:00] | kash: | |
| [01:50:00] | kash: | |
| [01:50:01] | kash: | |
| [01:50:05] | kash: | erm |
| [01:50:07] | kash: | sorry |
| [01:50:15] | Dagmar: | Then it's more than just the one page that you're having a problem with |
| [01:50:23] | Dagmar: | Wait for whatever routing flap is going on to die down |
| [01:50:55] | kash: | happened yesterday too ;/ |
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| [01:51:19] | Dagmar: | Well, if it's any consolation, that page doesn't have much of anything on it |
| [02:01:36] | cheatersrealm: | Dagmar: being unable to find the noise reduction settings in mythtv frontend, I've decided to try using the v4l2-ctl/ivtv drivers |
| [02:01:44] | cheatersrealm: | which also seemed unsuccessful... |
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| [02:09:57] | jamesd__: | i wonder how much myth takes advantage of the new hd tv modes on nvidia cards. |
| [02:10:16] | wagner: | hdtv modes? |
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| [02:11:06] | Egghead2: | anyone have pvr-150 blaster working with mythbuntu 8.04 |
| [02:12:41] | jamesd__: | wagner, pure video HD |
| [02:13:06] | jamesd__: | i guess its just nvidia marketing name, but it looks like it off loads a bunch of stuff |
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| [02:13:18] | wagner: | purevideo is a video decoder, not a display mode |
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| [02:13:37] | Dagmar: | Secondly, it's entirely unsupported. |
| [02:13:39] | Tanthrix: | jamesd__: XvMC is the only hardware based video decoding supported in linux. |
| [02:13:48] | Dagmar: | Think of it like XvMC, but for a different codec |
| [02:14:07] | wagner: | hell, dont you have to buy their codec to use it under windows? |
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| [02:14:28] | Dagmar: | eh? |
| [02:14:35] | Dagmar: | Far as I know it just comes as part of the driver |
| [02:14:45] | Tanthrix: | No, it's extra. Or at least, it originally was. |
| [02:15:10] | wagner: | yeah, when i looked at it for my card (6800), you had to pay for some $40 program to actually get access to it |
| [02:15:14] | Dagmar: | Ah |
| [02:15:36] | Tanthrix: | Actually, according to the wikipedia there is a pay version from nvidia, but many applications have built in support. In any case, it's not free. |
| [02:15:38] | Dagmar: | I have CPU power to spare, except when it comes to megalomaniacal AVC |
| [02:15:58] | Dagmar: | x264 == all your hurtz are belong 2 us |
| [02:16:17] | jamesd__: | some day i may upgrade my fx1400, but i don't see a compelling reason yet.. it seems to handle my 42" lcd tv a and my 22" lcd monitor at the same time with no issues. |
| [02:16:35] | wagner: | x1400? |
| [02:16:43] | Dagmar: | Wait until you've encoded a DVD rip with x264 |
| [02:16:43] | jamesd__: | quadra fx1400 |
| [02:16:53] | wagner: | oh, quadro card, not consumer |
| [02:17:02] | Dagmar: | So long as you're using xvid and/or mpg, you're fine |
| [02:17:13] | Dagmar: | Well, technically it's consumer-level |
| [02:17:17] | jamesd__: | yeah it was a gift from a budy at Sun |
| [02:17:23] | Dagmar: | It's just not generally marketed at people who aren't using like, Autodesk |
| [02:17:25] | Tanthrix: | jamesd__: In linux, the video card is basically irrelevent unless you're using XvMC, which is buggy and more trouble than it's worth IMHO. |
| [02:17:42] | Dagmar: | Nah, XvMC helps with mpg |
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| [02:18:08] | jamesd__: | Tanthrix, yeah i got vxmc to work did have to tweak it a bit but is much nicer on the cpu thus the fan noise |
| [02:18:46] | Tanthrix: | Dagmar: It sometimes helps considerably, but sometimes it does nothing at all. And it limits what kinds of deinterlacers and such that you can use. |
| [02:18:52] | jamesd__: | er xvmc |
| [02:19:23] | wagner: | ive got a big ass heatsink and 120x38mm fan on my frontend |
| [02:19:28] | wagner: | so i cant actually hear it |
| [02:19:30] | Dagmar: | Heh. If/When you're using s-video output, you don't have to care about deinterlacing. |
| [02:19:36] | Dagmar: | XvMC and the nVidia driver "take care of it" |
| [02:19:51] | wagner: | cpu load doesnt bother me at all |
| [02:19:52] | PatrickDK: | only if you using xvmc |
| [02:20:15] | jamesd__: | i have Sun's stock opteron cooler for my dual core 2.4ghz, unless it kicks into high mode its pretty damm quiet and with xvmc its quiet... |
| [02:20:24] | Tanthrix: | Dagmar: I am not, and less and less are nowadays. |
| [02:20:46] | PatrickDK: | Ithink it's just a mistake for any fool that is using xvmc |
| [02:21:03] | Tanthrix: | But if you're still doing SD output and your system is slow enough to need XvMC to work, you're just asking for trouble. |
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| [02:24:41] | Lynet: | avc accel would be nice, though. |
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| [02:25:05] | Dagmar: | Nah, I've got HD content that definitely warrants it, if for no other reason than it frees up about 25% more of my CPU power |
| [02:25:15] | Dagmar: | UseEvents == handy |
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| [02:25:54] | Dagmar: | Using less power means not kicking Mother Nature in the crotch area |
| [02:26:01] | PatrickDK: | hmm, the only hd content it helps is mpeg2 encoded hd |
| [02:26:04] | PatrickDK: | not x264 |
| [02:26:11] | PatrickDK: | using less power? |
| [02:26:11] | Dagmar: | ..and DVD rips |
| [02:26:18] | PatrickDK: | you are trading cpu power for video card power |
| [02:26:27] | PatrickDK: | savings? probably none |
| [02:26:29] | Dagmar: | Yes, UseEvents and XvMC results in more work for the vid card and less work for the CPU |
| [02:26:37] | Dagmar: | ...and the vid card is better at it |
| [02:27:34] | Dagmar: | Heck, my boss' machine wouldn't even do some of the HD channels until he got UseEvents reducing the load |
| [02:27:58] | Dagmar: | It's about the difference between using inotify and polling a directory for what it's doing |
| [02:28:15] | PatrickDK: | polling works well :) |
| [02:28:27] | PatrickDK: | I have to use polling on my network cards, over irq's |
| [02:30:00] | cheatersrealm: | heh, I don't really have the CPU for denoise3d |
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| [02:34:51] | Dagmar: | PatrickDK: If you're using IRQs, you're not polling. |
| [02:35:03] | Dagmar: | Polling would be repeatedly checking them for data. |
| [02:35:12] | Dagmar: | IRQ's get the CPUs attention. |
| [02:35:19] | Dagmar: | ...minus an apostrophe |
| [02:35:34] | Dagmar: | It's the difference between a select() and a read() loop, basically. |
| [02:35:36] | ** PatrickDK wonders what part of, using polling, over (instead of) irq's you don't understand ** | |
| [02:35:48] | Lynet: | "over" as in "instead of" |
| [02:35:56] | Dagmar: | Polling wastes CPU cycles. |
| [02:36:00] | Lynet: | ah, not fast enough |
| [02:36:09] | PatrickDK: | irq's waist them too |
| [02:36:22] | PatrickDK: | but then, if you always have something available when you poll, polling isn't waisting |
| [02:36:25] | Dagmar: | No, IRQs only happen when the device has something important to report, unless it's just broken. |
| [02:36:30] | Lynet: | Nop, irqs can be more wasteful. |
| [02:36:35] | PatrickDK: | irq's waist cpu's changing state |
| [02:36:45] | PatrickDK: | polling doesn't require state change most of the time |
| [02:36:47] | Dagmar: | >..but they don't waste CPU when they're not doing anything. |
| [02:37:01] | PatrickDK: | I would like to know when my network card isn't doing something |
| [02:37:07] | PatrickDK: | it's normally maxing out atleast a gigabit |
| [02:37:15] | PatrickDK: | if not 2 or 3 |
| [02:37:18] | Dagmar: | It's assumed that if it's not raising an IRQ, it's not doing anything. |
| [02:37:27] | ** PatrickDK pets the nice quad port card ** | |
| [02:38:06] | PatrickDK: | polling was made optional years ago in the linux and freebsd kernels for high network irq issues |
| [02:38:07] | Lynet: | Dagmar: Imagine gigabit eth card. Imagine lots of tiny packets incoming. At a certain point, polling becomes more efficient. |
| [02:38:22] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but that's just assuming there's always going to be data there. |
| [02:38:27] | Dagmar: | That's not the normal state of most things. |
| [02:38:37] | PatrickDK: | no, that is just not your normal case |
| [02:38:41] | PatrickDK: | but it is my normal case |
| [02:38:45] | Dagmar: | Well, good for you. |
| [02:38:55] | Dagmar: | Not everything is a host machine handling four gige interfaces. |
| [02:38:58] | Lynet: | Dagmar: Imagine driver smart enough to change from irq to polling mode when needed. |
| [02:39:04] | Dagmar: | It would be a waste for most of the servers in this datacetner |
| [02:39:27] | Dagmar: | ...and it's completely tangental to the reason I mentioned the two mechanisms as a contrast. |
| [02:39:58] | PatrickDK: | dunno, I use polling, have had alot better responce, and lower cpu loads |
| [02:40:14] | PatrickDK: | and I'm always doing atleast 1 gigabit from the 2 servers, so |
| [02:40:27] | PatrickDK: | the power savings comes into play |
| [02:40:35] | PatrickDK: | when I replaced the 106 servers with those two |
| [02:40:47] | Dagmar: | No big deal there. |
| [02:40:49] | PatrickDK: | I am using 1/5 the power I used to |
| [02:40:54] | Dagmar: | That's the reason I'm replacing my current firewall. |
| [02:41:04] | Dagmar: | It's just wasting power compared to it's replacement. |
| [02:41:44] | PatrickDK: | I am getting charged $1000 per 1kva :( |
| [02:43:45] | Dagmar: | I'm paying close to $100/month at home |
| [02:43:55] | Dagmar: | Or rather, was two months ago |
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| [02:44:13] | Dagmar: | I'm down 28% from last year so spending money on replacing stuff there is paying off, sort of |
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| [02:44:29] | PatrickDK: | 100/month? |
| [02:44:34] | Dagmar: | For electricity |
| [02:44:35] | cheatersrealm: | Dagmar: so the recording profiles are hard to find, but I got them |
| [02:44:36] | PatrickDK: | what is that .08c per kva? |
| [02:44:44] | Dagmar: | I've no idea |
| [02:45:00] | Dagmar: | It's just more than I really wanna pay monthly |
| [02:45:09] | cheatersrealm: | have a good night everyone |
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| [02:45:11] | Dagmar: | MOST of it is "computers" which is sad. |
| [02:45:29] | PatrickDK: | that is bad |
| [02:45:36] | PatrickDK: | I payed $74 last month |
| [02:45:46] | Dagmar: | The first month I got serious about reducing it I dropped almost 20% off the bill from just having disks spin down |
| [02:45:57] | PatrickDK: | and I am running 9 computers |
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| [02:46:04] | Dagmar: | ...and having gettting a couple of them using cpufreqd |
| [02:46:06] | PatrickDK: | and 6 monitors |
| [02:46:26] | Dagmar: | Yeah, I *did* have a 30" CRT TV and two big-ass monitors |
| [02:46:29] | PatrickDK: | my disks never spin down :) |
| [02:46:42] | Dagmar: | Now I've got a 32" LCD TV, and a 24" LCD monitor |
| [02:46:50] | Dagmar: | My desk no longer creaks. Heh |
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| [02:47:29] | Dagmar: | I reinsulated the patio door and door sweep on the front door, and then put that nifty canned foam insulation in the walls around the wall outlets |
| [02:47:39] | PatrickDK: | http://www.maneshi.com/gallery/v/Users/sysadm . . . 852.JPG.html |
| [02:47:46] | Dagmar: | ...and then switched out the last few incandescent bulbs |
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| [02:48:17] | Dagmar: | If I can keep it under $70/month when August rolls around and it's hot as hell, I'll consider it a win |
| [02:48:34] | Dagmar: | Yeah, those three on the bottom you should probably do something about |
| [02:48:50] | Dagmar: | THey're probably each using more juice than 2–3 of the ones above |
| [02:49:10] | Dagmar: | ...not to mention the heat factor |
| [02:50:02] | Dagmar: | I got a little peeved after I broke out the ammeter |
| [02:50:55] | Dagmar: | Year before last in August I paid almost $150 for electric |
| [02:51:12] | Dagmar: | I want my $35 electric bill back |
| [02:51:24] | Dagmar: | ..but then, that was before I started running computers all the time and was using "other people's" |
| [02:51:52] | Dagmar: | I suppose it's a reasonable price to pay for not having to look over my shoulder for black sedans. :) |
| [02:52:54] | PatrickDK: | if it was me, the a/c would never turn on |
| [02:52:58] | PatrickDK: | but the wife keeps it going |
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| [02:53:43] | wagner: | that sounds like my roommate |
| [02:54:03] | wagner: | we turned on the AC, and our bill spiked from $80/mo to $350/mo |
| [02:54:21] | wagner: | damned landlords wouldnt pay to fix the AC |
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| [03:07:43] | jeebusroxors: | i'm having some trouble trying to get my sources to show the right shows, shows at 11 are shown at 10 right now |
| [03:08:40] | jeebusroxors: | i'm having some clock issues so that's probably the cause, but i can't seem to find how to purge the database |
| [03:09:41] | PatrickDK: | sounds like a daylight savings time issue |
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| [03:12:42] | jeebusroxors: | yea, i should have that fixed.... |
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| [03:13:08] | jeebusroxors: | how can i refresh the listsings though? i tried filldb --refresh-all but it doesn't look like it worked |
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| [03:29:28] | jeebusroxors: | how can i refresh the video-sources? i tried filldb --refresh-all but it doesn't look like it worked |
| [03:29:34] | brandon__: | Is there a hidden option to turn off UPNP for mythfrontend? It's causing segfaults from other upnp devices. I have disabled it via --noupnp on the backend so now the backend doesn't segfault but the frontend keeps segfaulting when one device I can't shut off hits the frontends upnp |
| [03:30:54] | Aval0n-: | is /proc/cpuinfo always accurate with speed? |
| [03:31:23] | brandon__: | avalon: as long as your kernel is decently new, yes |
| [03:31:50] | wagner: | somewhere around 2.6.18, my laptop would report 270MHz |
| [03:32:00] | Aval0n-: | hmm |
| [03:32:00] | wagner: | it can only do 700 and 1000 |
| [03:32:03] | Aval0n-: | I'm 2.6.24 |
| [03:32:08] | Aval0n-: | but it's reporting 1.54ghz |
| [03:32:13] | Aval0n-: | and the chip is 2.81ghz |
| [03:32:16] | Aval0n-: | says bios |
| [03:33:08] | wagner: | what kind of chip |
| [03:33:17] | wagner: | it could be auto-downclocking |
| [03:33:27] | Aval0n-: | c2d |
| [03:33:30] | Aval0n-: | speedstepping? |
| [03:34:07] | wagner: | 266 or 333 bus? |
| [03:34:17] | wagner: | (1066 or 1333) |
| [03:34:27] | Aval0n-: | well currently it's running 400 |
| [03:34:34] | Aval0n-: | 7x400 |
| [03:34:51] | wagner: | 7x is the lowest a c2d will go |
| [03:35:04] | Aval0n-: | right... |
| [03:35:09] | Aval0n-: | this chips default was 9 I belive |
| [03:35:18] | Aval0n-: | bios reports it as 2.81ghz |
| [03:35:19] | wagner: | i mean even when its stepping, 7x is the lowest it will go |
| [03:35:26] | Aval0n-: | ahh |
| [03:35:33] | wagner: | so at that bus, you will never go below 2.8GHz |
| [03:35:41] | Aval0n-: | hmm |
| [03:35:48] | Aval0n-: | is there something other than cpuinfo that I can check then |
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| [03:36:04] | Aval0n-: | because bios shows it 2.81 and still shows the fsb at 400 and manually set cpu to 7x |
| [03:36:10] | Aval0n-: | but cpuinfo says 1.54 |
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| [03:41:03] | wagner: | im surprised the data doesnt even exist in sysctl |
| [03:42:23] | Dagmar: | What data? |
| [03:42:31] | wagner: | processor capabilities |
| [03:43:08] | Dagmar: | Oh... That wouldn't be sysctl unless you're thinking of something else |
| [03:43:15] | Dagmar: | sysfs perhaps? |
| [03:43:48] | wagner: | well bsd has everything in the sysctl tables, i figured linux would duplicate a lot of that for compatibility |
| [03:44:17] | Dagmar: | Ah... that would be split between /proc and /sys (sysfs) at the moment, with almost all the important powersaving CPU stuff being in sys |
| [03:44:20] | wagner: | i honestly dont know if thats a unix thing or a bsd thing |
| [03:44:59] | Dagmar: | Don't ask me how /sys gets populated because at the moment, I don't know |
| [03:45:29] | Dagmar: | ...but it's all under /sys/devices/system/cpu and down |
| [03:45:52] | Dagmar: | I just kinda assumed it was mounted like /dev and /proc are, but I don't see an entry in fstab for it |
| [03:46:19] | wagner: | its in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq |
| [03:46:23] | |Torg|: | its in the kernel |
| [03:46:34] | Dagmar: | Bah, I'm an idiot |
| [03:46:50] | wagner: | thats the second time i typed that out, the first, i forgot to put something before the '/' |
| [03:46:55] | Dagmar: | I keep doing `mount -a` when I shoudl be catting /etc/mtab |
| [03:47:03] | Dagmar: | It's mounted as a sysfs filesystem |
| [03:47:10] | |Torg|: | look up sysfs |
| [03:47:12] | Dagmar: | ....just like /proc is mounted as procfs |
| [03:47:22] | jeebusroxors: | how can i refresh the video-sources? i tried filldb --refresh-all but it doesn't look like it worked |
| [03:47:42] | Dagmar: | jeebus: did you _stop the backend_ and restart it? |
| [03:47:59] | Dagmar: | Far as I know you don't change those while the backend is running or things go foull |
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| [03:48:26] | jeebusroxors: | Dagmar: ill give that a shot |
| [03:48:55] | Dagmar: | wagner: Mind, much of that interface in sysfs doesn't get populated until the cpufreq modules are loaded |
| [03:49:08] | Dagmar: | ...but once they're loaded you almost wonder why the hell there's cpufrequtils |
| [03:49:23] | Dagmar: | It's all _very_ straightforward |
| [03:50:03] | jeebusroxors: | Dagmar: still no good...still an hour off |
| [03:50:09] | Dagmar: | An hour off? |
| [03:50:26] | Dagmar: | What time zone are you in? |
| [03:50:43] | jeebusroxors: | est |
| [03:50:52] | wagner: | i had that problem a few months ago, but to be honest, i have no idea what i did to fix it |
| [03:50:53] | Dagmar: | ...and what's time got to do with video sources? |
| [03:51:12] | jeebusroxors: | Dagmar: because it's 1 hour off... |
| [03:51:14] | sphery: | brandon__: Make sure you report the issue (with as much info as you can provide) so the bug in UPnP can be fixed. |
| [03:51:37] | Dagmar: | Oh, your time was wrong when you filled the database? |
| [03:51:44] | jeebusroxors: | i'm thinking so |
| [03:51:55] | Dagmar: | Ah, yeah you have to flush it all out |
| [03:52:00] | Dagmar: | er flush the scheduling data. |
| [03:52:05] | Dagmar: | Then make SURE your clock is set right |
| [03:52:07] | jeebusroxors: | how is the question ;) |
| [03:52:13] | Dagmar: | ...and /etc/localtime points to the right place |
| [03:52:37] | wagner: | theres a handful of tables you need to flush, i dont remember what off hand |
| [03:52:52] | jeebusroxors: | so no command line tool? |
| [03:53:13] | sphery: | jeebusroxors: the best way to clear the listings data is "Delete all video sources" ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 ) though there are shortcuts (that will leave garbage in your database) |
| [03:53:32] | Dagmar: | sphery: Good call |
| [03:53:46] | Dagmar: | I was about to go googling because I couldn't remember |
| [03:53:50] | jeebusroxors: | ahh ok |
| [03:53:56] | jeebusroxors: | so that actually kills the DB too huh? |
| [03:54:04] | wagner: | so flushing 'program','programgenres', and 'programrating' is a bad idea? |
| [03:55:08] | Dagmar: | If you don't know what's in them, yes. |
| [03:55:18] | Dagmar: | Those buttons the web page mentions must be new |
| [03:55:21] | Dagmar: | I don't recall ever seeing them before |
| [03:55:43] | Dagmar: | Well, it was about 8 months when I last ran mythtv-setup that I can remember |
| [03:56:21] | wagner: | son of a bitch... my city wants to put in red light camera |
| [03:56:33] | Aval0n: | any way to find out cpu temp in linux? |
| [03:56:44] | Aval0n: | since I got jipped and this damned case doesn't have sensor... |
| [03:57:00] | Aval0n: | turns out my box didn't have the "option" |
| [03:57:04] | wagner: | try /proc/acpi/thermal_zone |
| [03:57:11] | Aval0n: | ty |
| [03:57:31] | wagner: | it wont give you the extra motherboard sensor data |
| [03:57:53] | wagner: | but if ACPI is properly enabled, it will give you the CPU internal sensor |
| [03:58:05] | Aval0n: | that's just and empty dir fo rme |
| [03:58:13] | Dagmar: | It's mainly lm_sensors you use for the rest |
| [03:58:20] | Dagmar: | ...and yes, lm_sensors is fairly arcane during setup |
| [03:59:21] | Dagmar: | Read the directions carefully when you're building it. |
| [03:59:50] | Dagmar: | Many people find that they never bothered to enable i2c (iirc) stuff in the kernel, and it needs it to talk to a number of sensor types |
| [04:01:26] | Dagmar: | Oh wow |
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| [04:01:35] | Dagmar: | I just noticed something nifty. |
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| [04:01:50] | Dagmar: | Type "38C in F" into the little search bar in Firefox, and don't hit enter. |
| [04:01:58] | Dagmar: | The answer just appears in the dropdown |
| [04:02:38] | Dagmar: | COol. Google is sending answers to those "trivial queries" back using the suggestions mechanism |
| [04:02:38] | RyeBrye: | Dagmar – you can also type stuff like "38 miles per hour to furlongs per fortnight" |
| [04:02:55] | Dagmar: | RyeBrye: yeah, but I'm used to actually having to push through the query and pull up the google page |
| [04:03:07] | wagner: | i want to write a program where the internal units are based around furlongs per fortnight |
| [04:03:10] | Dagmar: | That's the first time I've noticed it just popping the answer in the suggestions widget |
| [04:03:26] | RyeBrye: | oh, gotcha |
| [04:03:58] | RyeBrye: | I usually hit enter anyway, because it leaves the answer on the screen |
| [04:04:26] | Dagmar: | I just wanted to know how hot the CPU in my myth box was in "real people" numbers |
| [04:04:40] | RyeBrye: | I use Google all the time for cooking conversions... i.e. 2.5 * 1/3 teaspoons to cups or something like that |
| [04:04:49] | wagner: | real people use celcius |
| [04:04:53] | RyeBrye: | 38 C to K |
| [04:04:54] | RyeBrye: | ;) |
| [04:05:12] | Dagmar: | Heh. it's no good for "1/8 oz in dollars" |
| [04:05:22] | Dagmar: | Perhaps they just don't deal in such small quantities |
| [04:05:41] | RyeBrye: | You have to specify the brand and the location |
| [04:06:01] | Dagmar: | That sort of thing has been on my mind this morning since that news article about hte abandoned pickup found with the bed FULL of bundles of weed. |
| [04:06:12] | Dagmar: | They initially were saying it had a street value of $3,000. |
| [04:06:24] | Dagmar: | I bloody wish. |
| [04:06:50] | wagner: | is there any way to get mythtv to only play the commercials? |
| [04:06:54] | Dagmar: | Try asking Google things like "specific density of marijuana" and you get nowhere |
| [04:07:16] | Dagmar: | wagner: Manually flip the commflagging directions I suppose |
| [04:07:30] | Dagmar: | I suspect you will not find that well recieved as a feature request. |
| [04:08:13] | Dagmar: | I started to say "first you have a lie down until that idea passes" |
| [04:08:57] | wagner: | SpikeTV played a Steven Seagal movie where they interviewed Uwe Boll during the movies |
| [04:09:07] | wagner: | i couldnt care less about the movie |
| [04:09:13] | Dagmar: | OKay, now you definitely need to have a lie down. |
| [04:09:23] | wagner: | but i want to see if Uwe Boll is really as batshit crazy as he sounds |
| [04:09:27] | Dagmar: | He is |
| [04:09:37] | wagner: | *interviewed during the commercials |
| [04:11:55] | Dagmar: | I have something better for you: http://youtube.com/watch?v=n5MQULLbgQY |
| [04:12:36] | wagner: | damnit, i dont want them to keep going back to Urban Justice |
| [04:13:53] | Dagmar: | He acts astonished when people say his movies are bad. |
| [04:13:58] | Dagmar: | That right there lets you know he's crazy. |
| [04:14:14] | Dagmar: | Sure, they're not Manos: Hands of Fate bad, but they are pretty dreadful. |
| [04:14:38] | wagner: | somehow 'Postal' is like 'Naked Gun' meets the 'Blues Brothers' |
| [04:14:58] | wagner: | now maybe if he had said 'Blues Brothers 2000', but how dare he taint a classic |
| [04:15:02] | Dagmar: | I have no desire to see Postal |
| [04:15:25] | Dagmar: | The game was okay, but there's no rational way that could be anything but crap if it's not interactive |
| [04:15:46] | Dagmar: | Hmm... I'll ahve to pull up that Xenia Seeburg scene in related when I get home |
| [04:16:20] | wagner: | apparently minime gets raped by monkeys in Postal |
| [04:16:44] | Dagmar: | You're not really doing anything to convince me I'm wrong about his movies, you know. |
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| [04:17:11] | wagner: | hey, im not arguing for him |
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| [04:17:19] | wagner: | everything ive seen from him has been horrid |
| [04:17:27] | Dagmar: | The guy can direct, maybe. |
| [04:17:39] | Dagmar: | ...but the plot of everything he's ever done was just crap. |
| [04:17:46] | Dagmar: | It's hard to see around that. |
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| [04:19:26] | Dagmar: | There was *one* good scene in Bloodrayne, and they didn't show it on SciFi |
| [04:19:26] | wagner: | who was it who recently agreed to fight him? |
| [04:19:31] | Dagmar: | Lowtax |
| [04:19:41] | Dagmar: | ...who I lost respect for. |
| [04:19:52] | Dagmar: | I'd have beaten the crap out of Uwe Boll or been hospitalized from trying. |
| [04:20:22] | wagner: | i mean there was a new contestant in the last couple weeks |
| [04:20:22] | Dagmar: | I think perhaps the problem was that Lowtax wanted to fight him in the first place. |
| [04:20:29] | wagner: | i dont think theyve fought yet |
| [04:20:30] | Dagmar: | I just want to hit him in the face, repeatedly. |
| [04:20:32] | Dagmar: | I would enjoy it. |
| [04:20:51] | Dagmar: | They have. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3M_wGfYewo |
| [04:21:33] | wagner: | that was lowtax over a year ago |
| [04:21:39] | wagner: | i mean there was a new one very recent |
| [04:22:23] | Dagmar: | Oso? |
| [04:22:39] | wagner: | OH! it was michael bay |
| [04:24:53] | Dagmar: | I would relish the chance to demonstrate that no matter how big you are, the guy who fights dirty usually wins |
| [04:25:33] | Dagmar: | That bit with him and Bay is mainly Bay ignoring Boll, then finally admitting he thinks Boll's movies are not worth consideration, and Boll getting pissed about it |
| [04:27:04] | wagner: | well Bay didnt even know who Boll was until Boll insulted him |
| [04:27:10] | Dagmar: | Exactly. |
| [04:27:37] | wagner: | yeah, that wasnt worth the time to skip through it |
| [04:27:39] | Dagmar: | F**K |
| [04:27:44] | Dagmar: | Age Of Conan Open Beta starts this week |
| [04:31:28] | wagner: | i cant believe he thinks Postal has a chance against Indiana Jones |
| [04:31:43] | Dagmar: | See, now _that_ is why it's considered a given that he's batshit crazy. |
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| [07:48:00] | justinh: | oh facking hell. shiah laBeef is in the new Indy flick. one for the bin, then |
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| [09:11:54] | t0ny-p40: | I scheduled recordings and they are not showing up in upcoming recordings. Any idea what would cause that? |
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| [09:13:35] | justinh: | tuners going missing, out of disk space, any number of things |
| [09:15:34] | t0ny-p40: | watching live tv, and got about 50gb free |
| [09:15:38] | t0ny-p40: | fresh install |
| [09:16:35] | t0ny-p40: | listings work and everything... :/ |
| [09:20:44] | justinh: | listings not attached to tuner input(s) ? |
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| [10:06:32] | wayneandleanne: | dows anybody know how to change where mtd puts the ouput'd movie? |
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| [10:37:53] | Solv: | anybody know if there have been some changes in the xorg config options for nvidia recently? Or some possible changes in xorg itself? My working xorg configuration from knoppmyth r5f27 no longer works properly with the latest beta...can't get tv out without the monitor attached...xorg.conf hasn't changed though |
| [10:38:39] | Solv: | So I'm stuck with my lcd i normally use on my other system for dual head sitting with a blank screen next to my TV! |
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| [10:45:09] | ere4si: | Solv: I am having a hell of a time with ubuntu hardy and their new xorg and nvidia – somethings gone wrong somewhere |
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| [10:48:19] | Solv: | nice to know it's not just me |
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| [10:50:27] | hashbang: | heya; can anyone offer any tips for debugging why recordings are failing, especially some low-volume log options I can just leave enabled? |
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| [10:50:46] | gbee: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php?title=Fe . . . p;rcid=28456 |
| [10:50:51] | gbee: | brilliant :) |
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| [14:29:42] | gbee: | the hvr cards, I assume the different tuners appear as seperate devices so that you can record from each at the same time? |
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| [14:46:46] | gbee: | hmm, that's crap – dvb-s and dvb-t inputs can't be used at the same time on an HVR-4000 |
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| [14:53:02] | PatrickDK: | hmm, my 2gig per hour mpegs transcode crappy :( |
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| [14:53:16] | PatrickDK: | my 4gig per hours transcode in twice the quality |
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| [14:54:53] | kbidd: | Anyone know why when I run mythfrontend, it changes my resolution to 1280x1024, but when I click "watch live tv", it switches it back to the correct resolution of 2560x1024? I have mythtv set to run in a window (not fullscreen), and don't even see 1280x1024 anywhere in my settings. |
| [14:57:33] | PatrickDK: | that is one strange resolution |
| [14:58:41] | kbidd: | its a double-display, each at 1280x1024 |
| [14:59:06] | PatrickDK: | dual display mythtv? that must be annoying |
| [14:59:46] | PatrickDK: | 16x6 screen |
| [14:59:51] | kbidd: | no, i just run the tv on one of the displays (that part works fine)... its just than in the menus it changes my resolution down to 1280x1024 (the gui size), even though I have it set not to run fullscreen |
| [15:00:34] | PatrickDK: | why not just run two X's, one for each screen? or is it you use both sometimes as a workstation? |
| [15:00:51] | kbidd: | i use both... its not a dedicated mythtv box |
| [15:00:57] | PatrickDK: | but I have no clue about the answer to your question |
| [15:01:23] | kbidd: | it just seems strange that it would change the resolution to the gui size, even when not running in fullscreen mode. |
| [15:02:16] | PatrickDK: | my screen size would be 3840x2048 |
| [15:03:27] | PatrickDK: | hmm, I'm almost at the lower res movie theatre size |
| [15:04:01] | kbidd: | nice |
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| [15:05:23] | kbidd: | I actually just fixed it by setting my gui size to 2560x1024 with a horizontal width of 0... not the most obvious settings (since the gui is NOT 2560 wide, its only 1280 wide), but it works now :P |
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| [15:07:42] | kbidd: | one of the settings must just be mislabeled, being the video mode, and not gui size |
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| [15:10:49] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro_: u around? |
| [15:11:16] | justdave_: | my wife always seems to find a way to crash myth :( |
| [15:11:35] | justdave_: | "how come this stupid thing never works?" she says |
| [15:11:45] | justdave_: | "I dunno, you're the only one that ever seems to make it crash" |
| [15:11:50] | iamlindoro_: | Aval0n, Yes, but at work so may be spotty at best |
| [15:12:59] | justdave_: | she's trying to play a DVD and it crashes when it gets to the menu |
| [15:13:05] | PatrickDK: | heh |
| [15:13:15] | PatrickDK: | my wife just learned how to use mine |
| [15:13:27] | PatrickDK: | but there is no playing dvd's, as I ripped all the dvd's to the harddrive |
| [15:13:32] | Penfold: | justdave_: over energetic menu code, at a guess? :) |
| [15:16:31] | wagner_: | justdave_: my sister would always complain about myth not being on when she went to use it |
| [15:16:41] | wagner_: | i couldnt figure out why it was crashing |
| [15:16:52] | wagner_: | turns out my dad would exit when he was done watching at night |
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| [15:18:16] | justdave_: | it's a Beatles-related thing, so I suspect the copy-protection |
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| [15:18:41] | ** Penfold needs to make sure he sets up power/etc management on our front end so 'er indoors doesn't complain about that :) ** | |
| [15:18:57] | Thomas-_: | My mythbackend has started crashing >10 times per day, time to upgrade the server hardware to isolate any memory/hw errors :/ |
| [15:19:00] | justdave: | wagner_: yeah, I changed the quit key combo to something you couldn't do from the remote :) |
| [15:19:55] | wagner_: | well he just kept hitting 'esc', and finally 'ok' to close it |
| [15:20:01] | wagner_: | can you actually prevent that? |
| [15:20:13] | justdave: | yeah, there's an option in the general settings to pick the key combo to quit |
| [15:20:21] | justdave: | it defaults to ESC but there's about 6 other options |
| [15:20:30] | wagner_: | ah, ok |
| [15:20:35] | justdave: | a few of which require multiple keys to be pressed |
| [15:20:41] | wagner_: | so the key combo only works at the start screen |
| [15:20:47] | justdave: | right |
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| [15:21:28] | wagner_: | vnc just popped up The server |
| [15:21:37] | wagner_: | 'The server is not configured properly' |
| [15:21:40] | wagner_: | what the hell does that mean |
| [15:22:20] | justdave: | not finding anything useful about my crashes in the mythfrontend log |
| [15:23:10] | wagner_: | i cant log onto that machine for some reason |
| [15:23:30] | wagner_: | seems its time for a reboot |
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| [15:23:57] | wagner_: | my file server crapped out last night, my mythbox probably didnt like that |
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| [15:24:40] | justdave: | the wife comes upstairs "I'm trying to watch a DVD and I sit through all the previews at the begining of the DVD and next thing I know there's some anime character staring at me" |
| [15:24:49] | justdave: | trying to figure out wth she's talking about.... |
| [15:24:59] | justdave: | turns out that's the desktop background in Gnome :) |
| [15:25:04] | Penfold: | justdave: um, WAF issues there, clearly :) |
| [15:25:33] | rinaldi_: | hi, I know how you can skip commercials when watching a recording through the frontend, but is there a way to transcode the recording so it skips the adverts after it has recorded it? |
| [15:25:34] | justdave: | the background was a screenshot from one of the kids' shows |
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| [15:34:29] | kleetus: | this is strange, i am using xvmc with a FX 5200 invidia with hdhomerun and still using 65% for SD TV, does this sound right? |
| [15:35:33] | PatrickDK: | yep |
| [15:35:44] | PatrickDK: | sounds like you don't have xvmc setup right |
| [15:35:50] | PatrickDK: | or you have a 400mhz cpu |
| [15:37:51] | kleetus: | PatrickDK: it is a core 2duo, 2.33 GHz |
| [15:38:11] | PatrickDK: | what the hell? |
| [15:38:27] | kleetus: | do you think we enough tweaking on this myth system, i can ever achieve smooth playback? |
| [15:38:28] | PatrickDK: | I get 65% on my 850mhz playing sd |
| [15:38:49] | PatrickDK: | I get smooth playback and no xvmc |
| [15:38:51] | kleetus: | PatrickDK: yeah this confusing, i think my drives are slow or something |
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| [15:39:05] | kleetus: | PatrickDK: this is a FE/BE machine too |
| [15:39:07] | PatrickDK: | your drives could be broken and keep up at 1meg per second |
| [15:39:16] | PatrickDK: | my 850mhz is a backend/frontend too |
| [15:39:22] | PatrickDK: | my real frontends are 2.8ghz machines |
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| [15:40:37] | kleetus: | PatrickDK: my drives are 2 sata and one pata, using lvm to bind them all together |
| [15:40:49] | kleetus: | PatrickDK: would this be an issue? |
| [15:41:34] | ** justdave grumbles about his flakey cable company ** | |
| [15:44:01] | PatrickDK: | shouldn't be |
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| [15:44:07] | gbee: | ick, lvm |
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| [15:44:31] | kleetus: | does anyone in this channel use the hdhomerun? |
| [15:46:04] | PatrickDK: | I was thinking about getting one |
| [15:46:11] | PatrickDK: | but currently just using a pvr-150 |
| [15:46:50] | kleetus: | anyway, i think it is a cool device, but cannot make it smooth via my linux X11 setup, but runs smooth into mac os x through vlc |
| [15:47:19] | iamlindoro_: | The problem is almost certainly *not* your capture device |
| [15:47:23] | kleetus: | this tells me it is a decoding issue |
| [15:47:27] | iamlindoro_: | but rather your video drivers/x setup |
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| [15:47:57] | kleetus: | iamlindoro: right, i need more tweaking with this setup |
| [15:48:19] | kleetus: | maybe i should get dvd's playing smooth and work from there |
| [15:49:02] | PatrickDK: | any hdtv stuff isn't even a capture device, just streams it in and out |
| [15:49:18] | kleetus: | is nvidia FX 5200 a decent card? |
| [15:49:18] | iamlindoro_: | Why don't you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and tell us what Nvidia GPU you are using |
| [15:49:31] | PatrickDK: | he is using fx5200 |
| [15:49:38] | iamlindoro_: | yes, the 5200 should do fine, assuming anything but normal PCI |
| [15:49:51] | iamlindoro_: | and even then SD should be a snap |
| [15:50:12] | iamlindoro_: | Since you're using a C2D I'm going to assume PCIe or so |
| [15:50:13] | kleetus: | iamlindoro: OH NO, i got a PCI device...DOH |
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| [15:50:40] | iamlindoro_: | Why'd you cheap out on a PCI GPU when you have a decent mobo/processor? |
| [15:51:03] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, SD should still be pretty doable... HD may not be in the cards, but... |
| [15:51:03] | kleetus: | iamlindoro: i do not have an AGP slot, so i opted for regular PCI FX5200 |
| [15:51:14] | iamlindoro_: | It's C2D and has not PCIe?? |
| [15:51:17] | iamlindoro_: | er no |
| [15:51:21] | PatrickDK: | what screen res are you using? |
| [15:51:28] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, my pci 5200 works fine for hd 1080i |
| [15:51:45] | kleetus: | iamlindoro: i have a PCIe slot, i think i just made a bad purchase |
| [15:52:04] | kleetus: | PatrickDK: 1920x1200 |
| [15:52:19] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro_: what proc are you using for your x264 stuff? |
| [15:52:39] | mkrufky: | my fx5200 does a great job for 1080i also |
| [15:52:41] | iamlindoro_: | Aval0n, I assume you mean playback of *h* 264? |
| [15:52:46] | Aval0n: | yes |
| [15:52:47] | mkrufky: | (except it overheats and reboots the machine) |
| [15:53:12] | PatrickDK: | kleetus, that is 2190mbit, and pci can only do around 800mbit |
| [15:53:13] | iamlindoro_: | Aval0n, Lowest end is a C2D E4500 @ 2.2 Ghz, up to a Q6600 |
| [15:53:18] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [15:53:31] | Aval0n: | I have grey blocks and a bit of skipping with a 2.6ghz c2d |
| [15:53:45] | Aval0n: | using the internal player. |
| [15:54:06] | kleetus: | PatrickDK: interesting, what card would you suggest? |
| [15:54:13] | PatrickDK: | ANYTHING other than pci |
| [15:54:25] | PatrickDK: | you need agp 2x atleast for hd |
| [15:54:37] | PatrickDK: | the video card isn't your problem |
| [15:54:44] | PatrickDK: | it's that the pci bus isn't fast enough |
| [15:54:47] | kleetus: | PatrickDK: so in your setup, do you ever getting stuttering? |
| [15:54:58] | PatrickDK: | nope, never, using my fx5200 8x agp |
| [15:55:06] | PatrickDK: | or was it 4x |
| [15:55:24] | PatrickDK: | your attempting to push 2gigabit over a 1gigabit cable, basically |
| [15:55:29] | PatrickDK: | it's just not possible |
| [15:55:31] | kleetus: | PatrickDK: i am determined to make this work as good or better than this MOXI cable box |
| [15:55:34] | fn1: | mplayer -lvadopts threads=2:fast:skiploopfilter=all filename |
| [15:55:37] | fn1: | try that |
| [15:55:44] | PatrickDK: | kleetus, you have two options, run at 8bit color :) |
| [15:55:53] | PatrickDK: | or lower your res, and use 15/16bit color |
| [15:56:15] | iamlindoro_: | s/lvadopts/lavdopts/ |
| [15:56:19] | kleetus: | PatrickDK: i think i am going to find a PCIe card, would this work? |
| [15:56:22] | mkrufky: | correction, im using fx5200 AGP — i didnt realize he's using a PCI version — yuck |
| [15:56:31] | fn1: | Aval0n: if it polays smooth then your hardware is alright |
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| [15:56:38] | Aval0n: | fn1 |
| [15:56:41] | Aval0n: | that's what I have been using |
| [15:56:49] | Aval0n: | actually more specifically |
| [15:56:50] | PatrickDK: | kleetus, yep :) pcie 1x is 2mbit, and 16x would be 32mbit :) |
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| [15:56:53] | PatrickDK: | gigabit I mean |
| [15:57:03] | PatrickDK: | so enough for like 15 hd videos to play at once |
| [15:57:17] | Aval0n: | mplayer -fs -quiet -vo xv -monitoraspect 16:9 -lavdopts threads=2:fast:skiploopfilter=all -sws 0 %s |
| [15:57:20] | kleetus: | PatrickDK: got it....so i am on the prowl for a PCIe nvidia card |
| [15:57:48] | iamlindoro_: | kleetus, Can be had cheaaaaaaap, 7000 series for $30–40 |
| [15:57:51] | kleetus: | PatrickDK: i heard the newer nvidia cards are overlay only, is this true? |
| [15:58:09] | PatrickDK: | heh? the 5xxx series had overlay |
| [15:58:09] | Aval0n: | i payed 79 for my 7300gs with hdmi |
| [15:58:10] | fn1: | try this.. im not sure about your -vo and what not... i think i had issues with that also..mplayer -lvadopts threads=2:fast:skiploopfilter=all -fs file |
| [15:58:12] | kleetus: | i guess overlay will be all i need |
| [15:58:13] | PatrickDK: | the others where software overlay |
| [15:58:20] | PatrickDK: | but I though that was fixed a year+ ago |
| [15:58:35] | Aval0n: | fn1: iamlindoro just uses internal player for all his stuff though |
| [15:58:41] | Aval0n: | and his chip is slower than mine... |
| [15:58:47] | Aval0n: | little confusing... |
| [15:58:57] | kleetus: | PatrickDK: maybe, there is so much info for mythtv and video cards, hard to filter it into a meaningfull data set |
| [15:59:04] | PatrickDK: | aval0n, better northbridge chipset :) |
| [15:59:13] | Aval0n: | intel p35 here.. |
| [15:59:15] | fn1: | if it wont play with that command.. then there is something with your hardware or files... |
| [15:59:25] | iamlindoro_: | My stuff is in containers that make sense and not in piratey MKVs where who-knows-who probably encoded them without slices |
| [15:59:25] | Aval0n: | it plays |
| [15:59:55] | Aval0n: | what containers are you using iamlindoro? |
| [15:59:58] | kleetus: | PatrickDK: thanks for the info! |
| [16:00:26] | iamlindoro_: | EVO and m2ts, generally |
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| [16:00:35] | PatrickDK: | nothing should ever be put on pci :) (except things moving at <10megs per second) |
| [16:00:36] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [16:01:12] | iamlindoro_: | But the container is probably *not* the problem. Don't pirate movies, dammit! Probably didn't encode in slices, and when that's the case, good luck getting multithreaded playback out of it |
| [16:01:45] | jblack: | Thank you myth. |
| [16:01:57] | ** PatrickDK multithreads iamlindoro ** | |
| [16:02:22] | ** iamlindoro_ probably needs some new multithreads ** | |
| [16:02:33] | GreyFoxx: | not all mkv's mean piracy, just mainyfor now :) |
| [16:02:48] | ** gbee could do with being multithreaded ** | |
| [16:03:20] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx, agreed, Just when 90% of someone's movies are in that container, and you start talking about encoding options with them and you see question marks leaking out of their heads, it's a fair bet :) |
| [16:03:32] | Aval0n: | well he is kinda right.. the transformers flick I use to test with is mkv from somewhere |
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| [16:03:44] | Aval0n: | my wife bought me the hd-dvd not realizing it wasn't a DVD *sigh* |
| [16:04:07] | iamlindoro_: | Hd-DVD dirve now $30, by the way, for those interested in ripping some to MythVideo |
| [16:04:10] | iamlindoro_: | er, drive |
| [16:04:14] | GreyFoxx: | Sweet, my scaled image scaching seems to be working |
| [16:04:29] | fn1: | iamlindoro explain this container, you keep talking about? |
| [16:04:53] | GreyFoxx: | fn1 mkv ? |
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| [16:04:59] | fn1: | yeah... |
| [16:05:02] | iamlindoro_: | fn1, Which container, MKV? Google Matroska. Could pontentially be used for good, more often used for eeeevil |
| [16:05:05] | GreyFoxx: | Matroska video container |
| [16:05:19] | fn1: | container = file format? |
| [16:05:29] | GreyFoxx: | sorta |
| [16:05:40] | fn1: | im familiar with matroska... |
| [16:05:40] | GreyFoxx: | the container "contains" the video and audio streams |
| [16:05:43] | kormoc: | fn1, a container defines how video/audio/etc is stored in the same file |
| [16:05:48] | gbee: | why are all DVB-S2 cards so fscking expensive compared to DVB-S? It's not like there is any really new tech involved >:( |
| [16:05:50] | fn1: | just not the container |
| [16:05:50] | GreyFoxx: | so you can have any codec in any container |
| [16:05:56] | kormoc: | fn1, but the video/audio/etc can have their own formats |
| [16:06:08] | iamlindoro_: | fn1, Matroska is *only* a container, nothing more |
| [16:06:18] | iamlindoro_: | albeit one with some spiffy features |
| [16:06:26] | fn1: | so is that the same with avi then? |
| [16:06:36] | iamlindoro_: | AVI is another container type, yes |
| [16:06:37] | GreyFoxx: | well no, but avi is also a container |
| [16:06:45] | GreyFoxx: | different features in each |
| [16:06:53] | fn1: | guess that makes since then, since you can extract the streams seperately... |
| [16:06:54] | GreyFoxx: | but both are containers |
| [16:07:21] | fn1: | i just always thought of them more of an encoded single file.. .not as a container like a zip file |
| [16:07:50] | GreyFoxx: | definitely more like a zip file :) |
| [16:07:54] | iamlindoro_: | As GreyFoxx says, there's nothing *inherently* piratey about the container, just circumstance happens to be that it's the container of choice for pirated material |
| [16:08:02] | fn1: | ya learn something new everyday ;) |
| [16:08:25] | fn1: | most of my stuff though., i just put into iso's (another container , man im smart) |
| [16:08:48] | rinaldi_: | why is mkv used by pirates anyway? |
| [16:09:03] | GreyFoxx: | rinal: flavour of the day, and it's a better container choice than avi |
| [16:09:21] | iamlindoro_: | rinaldi_, The oft-quoted reason is "low overhead" but it also can contain lots of subtitles, posters, extras, chapters, etc. |
| [16:09:36] | GreyFoxx: | and better seeking index info |
| [16:10:34] | rinaldi_: | i see, its just annoying when someone gives me an mkv on a data disc and I have to demux it and then remux it to mp4 to but it on ps3 |
| [16:10:41] | gbee: | containers & codecs go through fashions and people tend to favour stuff they know, over what they don't – e.g. mp3 over ogg/flac etc even though the latter are superior |
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| [16:11:10] | ** fn1 would like to rip the wizard of oz, video, and the pinkfloyd, and recombine them for some dark side of the rainbow ** | |
| [16:11:15] | GreyFoxx: | rina: Ask the ps3 people to support mkv's :) |
| [16:11:23] | iamlindoro_: | fn1, That would be kinda neat |
| [16:11:47] | PatrickDK: | gbee, I just stick with what most things support |
| [16:11:49] | GreyFoxx: | the popcorn hour looks nifty and supports a ton of codecs and containers including mkv |
| [16:11:58] | PatrickDK: | no point in ripping everything to something that is brand new, and nothing can use |
| [16:12:02] | rinaldi_: | GreyFoxx: Thats one of the main features asked for since launch, it isn't exactly in the best interests of sony |
| [16:12:53] | gbee: | PatrickDK: it's catch22 – devices/software won't go to the expense of supporting formats which aren't used, which is why we're still stuck with some pretty old codecs/containers |
| [16:13:09] | rinaldi_: | GreyFoxx: though last time I asked Sony for something, which was to fix the mythtv streaming, they did. |
| [16:13:18] | GreyFoxx: | What I'd like to hear is a good explaination that a xbox360 which is licensed to play dvd's and therefore mpeg2 doesn't allow mpeg2 via the video player |
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| [16:13:58] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx, Don't you know? .dvr-ms is the *only* format! |
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| [16:14:10] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [16:14:14] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [16:14:39] | iamlindoro_: | I shudder a bit when connecting via uPnP to my *sic* "Windows" computer |
| [16:14:48] | ** GreyFoxx goes to lunch ** | |
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| [16:15:11] | PatrickDK: | gbee, ya, and my stuff is finally catching up to supporting mp4, I wish stuff would support h264 :) (I am encoding everything into h264 myself, then resample down to small mp4 files for ipod/blackberrys) |
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| [16:18:11] | iamlindoro_: | Was happy to see the CoreAVC got worked out amicably |
| [16:18:16] | iamlindoro_: | er CoreAVC thing |
| [16:18:40] | Aval0n: | is it stable now? |
| [16:18:50] | Aval0n: | you still have to buy it for win and hack it to lin? |
| [16:18:56] | iamlindoro_: | Couldn't tell you, never used it, but have heard some good things |
| [16:19:02] | iamlindoro_: | and yes, you still need to use the wrapper |
| [16:19:51] | iamlindoro_: | Which got a takedown notice and was reinstated in the space of 36 hours, interestingly |
| [16:20:13] | gbee: | what's it cost? |
| [16:20:17] | Hannibal-: | $15 |
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| [16:21:03] | Aval0n: | the wrapper is 15 bucks? |
| [16:21:10] | Hannibal-: | wrapper is free |
| [16:21:13] | Hannibal-: | coreavc is $15 |
| [16:21:14] | iamlindoro_: | No, the wrapper is open source |
| [16:21:19] | Aval0n: | ah |
| [16:21:46] | Aval0n: | I still wish you could play your hd-dvd or blu-ray right from the disc.. |
| [16:21:48] | iamlindoro_: | There used to be some black magic and gotchas involved w/ using it on 64 bit systems (which all of mine are) but a quick perusal this morning shows that it has improved somewhat |
| [16:21:50] | Aval0n: | ahh well that's a ways off I'm sure |
| [16:21:50] | gbee: | hmm, not that bad then – I was expecting more |
| [16:22:27] | Hannibal-: | the takedown turned out well, because it created a relationship between CoreAVC and the programmer — and CoreAVC made some nice statements: http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=981 |
| [16:22:29] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: there is an explanation for the takedown on the CoreAVC wikipedia page |
| [16:23:02] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, I caught the gist of it on the slashdot article and forum at their site this AM, sounds like overzealous lawyering |
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| [16:25:18] | gbee: | something like that I guess :) |
| [16:25:21] | Aval0n: | so how difficult is it to patch coreavc into mplayer? |
| [16:25:33] | iamlindoro_: | Still looking forward to the frame-level multithreading in libavcodec, though. :) Then we can have multithreaded playback of all our stuff. |
| [16:25:38] | gbee: | forget that, what about mythtv? |
| [16:25:51] | iamlindoro_: | comparably easy in both from what I understand |
| [16:26:02] | iamlindoro_: | There's a wiki on the project site, pretty much just a patch in each |
| [16:26:15] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: yeah, I'm sure that libavcodec will evolve to closely match CoreAVC in performance |
| [16:26:17] | Aval0n: | it patches mythtv's internal player too? |
| [16:26:35] | iamlindoro_: | Aval0n, yes, there is a myth internal player patch |
| [16:26:54] | Aval0n: | woah |
| [16:27:33] | Aval0n: | what's the main page with the wiki |
| [16:27:38] | Aval0n: | i'm still on google lookin for it.. |
| [16:27:47] | iamlindoro_: | http://code.google.com/p/coreavc-for-linux/ |
| [16:28:09] | Aval0n: | thank you |
| [16:28:13] | iamlindoro_: | no prob |
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| [16:32:24] | iamlindoro_: | Looks like they don't have a patch that applies to .21-fixes yet, though |
| [16:33:33] | Aval0n: | what's it for trunk? |
| [16:33:44] | iamlindoro_: | No, looks more like .20 |
| [16:33:51] | Aval0n: | ew =/ |
| [16:34:13] | Hannibal-: | there is a patch that works on 21-fixes |
| [16:34:17] | Hannibal-: | let me dig it up |
| [16:34:20] | Aval0n: | sweet |
| [16:34:21] | Aval0n: | thanks |
| [16:35:07] | Hannibal-: | i need to test the latest fixes build, that channel scanner stuff is still giving me hell even with taskset -c 0 |
| [16:36:02] | Aval0n: | lol looks like I coulda stuck with my p4 3.4ghz HT |
| [16:36:35] | Hannibal-: | well, i dunno – as of coreavc 1.5 |
| [16:36:47] | Hannibal-: | my p4 3.4 couldn't handle my OTA HD |
| [16:36:58] | Aval0n: | ahh |
| [16:37:06] | Aval0n: | mine barely could |
| [16:38:16] | iamlindoro_: | Well, CoreAVC will never be any help for broadcast TV in the US |
| [16:39:10] | Hannibal-: | you are probably right, didn't think about that |
| [16:39:19] | Hannibal-: | need a coreavc for mpeg2! |
| [16:39:45] | iamlindoro_: | See above about libavcodec's soon to come frame-level multithreading of all codecs :) |
| [16:39:56] | Hannibal-: | :-) |
| [16:40:03] | Hannibal-: | check pm Aval0n |
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| [16:52:21] | iamlindoro_: | Hannibal-, If you've got that .21 patch you should put it on their wiki (or on the myth wiki) so that people can get at it... if you have a moment to do so, anyway |
| [16:52:55] | Hannibal-: | i can link it there — it's not my patch, i take no credit for it |
| [16:53:05] | Hannibal-: | i'll check with the guy that put it together |
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| [16:54:28] | iamlindoro_: | The sad thing about the whole debacle is that it'll probably increase their sales, and would hate to have people think that kind of thing is OK |
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| [17:25:07] | wagner_: | ugh... zfs keeps crapping out on my file server |
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| [17:26:33] | PatrickDK: | wagner, replace it with vfat |
| [17:27:22] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro_: playing nice and smooth with coreavc :) |
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| [17:31:35] | wagner_: | right after saying i crash... i crash |
| [17:31:36] | wagner_: | go figure |
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| [18:11:45] | wayneandleanne: | hi all, how do i change where mythweb looks for my movie collection? |
| [18:12:08] | iamlindoro_: | Mythweb will look where you have mythvideo set to look for it |
| [18:12:29] | iamlindoro_: | So set your video settings to the appropriate directory in mythfrontend and mythweb will reflect that |
| [18:12:45] | kormoc_: | wayneandleanne, change the symlink in the data directory |
| [18:13:20] | wayneandleanne: | how do i create symlinks (sorry never had to do before)? |
| [18:13:35] | wagner_: | 'ln -s <source> <destination>' |
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| [18:14:13] | Marcelo: | hi people... |
| [18:14:34] | kormoc_: | hello person... |
| [18:14:40] | Marcelo: | A need some help... |
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| [18:15:04] | Marcelo: | a need to divide my screen on two parts |
| [18:15:14] | wayneandleanne: | wagner_: thanks |
| [18:15:26] | wagner_: | two parts? |
| [18:15:29] | Marcelo: | the first one is my tv channel/dvd working |
| [18:15:31] | Marcelo: | yeh |
| [18:15:34] | Marcelo: | yeah |
| [18:15:52] | Marcelo: | end the another one need to run an aplication |
| [18:16:03] | Marcelo: | I am developing that |
| [18:16:25] | wagner_: | you can make mythtv run windowed and/or at a non-full-screen resolution |
| [18:16:27] | Marcelo: | the second one is a call system |
| [18:16:38] | Marcelo: | yeah |
| [18:16:53] | Marcelo: | but a want some more clear to users |
| [18:16:56] | kormoc: | wagner_, by screen, he means questions |
| [18:17:12] | kormoc: | ooh |
| [18:17:17] | Marcelo: | two screens is nat a good solution |
| [18:17:18] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [18:17:23] | Marcelo: | oh |
| [18:17:27] | Marcelo: | \two windows |
| [18:17:46] | Marcelo: | how a divide to two screens? |
| [18:18:05] | Marcelo: | sorry, my english is not too good |
| [18:18:18] | kormoc: | Marcelo, you mean two monitors? |
| [18:18:32] | Marcelo: | has any documentation |
| [18:18:33] | Marcelo: | no |
| [18:18:42] | wagner_: | two windows on a single monitor |
| [18:18:45] | Marcelo: | just one big lcd tv |
| [18:18:51] | wagner_: | one with mythtv, what with whatever other application |
| [18:19:04] | wagner_: | *one with |
| [18:19:16] | kormoc: | so run myth in a window? |
| [18:19:27] | Marcelo: | a look for run my app inside mythtv |
| [18:19:47] | wagner_: | so you want to make a plugin that runs within mythtv? |
| [18:20:04] | Marcelo: | if I need, yeah |
| [18:20:18] | Marcelo: | I will explain it better |
| [18:20:34] | Marcelo: | a need to show a call system |
| [18:21:08] | Marcelo: | to call number to call clients in a room |
| [18:21:08] | wagner_: | mythphone exists, to integrate with SIP digital phone systems |
| [18:21:15] | wagner_: | but it is rather crude |
| [18:21:30] | Marcelo: | end |
| [18:21:52] | Marcelo: | in another place on this screem |
| [18:21:54] | Marcelo: | screen |
| [18:22:07] | Marcelo: | I want to show a dvd or a tv channel |
| [18:22:28] | Marcelo: | to entertain those people |
| [18:22:46] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro_: there? |
| [18:22:53] | kormoc: | myth doesn't support running two modules at once |
| [18:22:59] | wagner_: | ok, so you want mythtv to be running in the background, with a video conferencing program running over top |
| [18:23:09] | iamlindoro_: | Aval0n, Yes |
| [18:23:15] | Marcelo: | until they wait... |
| [18:23:25] | Marcelo: | no video coference |
| [18:23:27] | Marcelo: | conference |
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| [18:23:42] | wagner_: | just audio |
| [18:23:45] | wayneandleanne: | wagner_: can i have some more help, i created the symlink, and the directory structure has appeared in mythweb yet upon clicking a movie i get a 404, where am i going wrong? |
| [18:23:47] | Marcelo: | just a "call clients appp" |
| [18:23:56] | Marcelo: | just video |
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| [18:24:12] | Marcelo: | just a pyton program |
| [18:24:27] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro_: hey man |
| [18:24:33] | Aval0n: | I got coreavc setup |
| [18:24:36] | ** PatrickDK is hopelessly confused with all the 'just a xxxx' ** | |
| [18:24:37] | Aval0n: | with mythinternal |
| [18:24:42] | wagner_: | wayneandleanne: i dont know what advice to give you, ive never gotten mythvideo within mythweb to properly work |
| [18:24:43] | Aval0n: | so far it's sweet :) |
| [18:24:59] | Aval0n: | all the frames are present and smooth |
| [18:25:07] | Aval0n: | kinda like an lcd automotion plus :P |
| [18:25:13] | wagner_: | Aval0n: using the coreavc-for-linux thing? |
| [18:25:15] | kormoc: | wayneandleanne, apache needs permissions to read and enter the video directories |
| [18:25:17] | Aval0n: | wagner_: yea |
| [18:25:19] | wayneandleanne: | is it a common error? |
| [18:25:20] | iamlindoro_: | Aval0n, Cool. Sounds like it works well if you need it. I know that it doesn't render as cleanly as libavcodec, but if you need the speedup, more power to you |
| [18:25:23] | wagner_: | how hard is that to set up |
| [18:25:35] | wagner_: | i was considering buying a license after finding out that existed |
| [18:25:40] | Aval0n: | looks as nice imo |
| [18:25:54] | wayneandleanne: | kormoc: thanks |
| [18:25:58] | Aval0n: | I had a c2d 2.6ghz and I was still skippin every once in a while |
| [18:26:12] | Aval0n: | where did you get your info that it doesn't render as clearly? |
| [18:26:14] | PatrickDK: | aval0n, on h264 hd? |
| [18:26:18] | iamlindoro_: | It's prone to more video errors, and should only be used if absolutely necessary. |
| [18:26:20] | Aval0n: | Patina: yes |
| [18:26:31] | wagner_: | what iamlindoro_ said |
| [18:26:39] | Marcelo: | I will chance my question.. has a form to me split the mythtv screen to run on right a tv and on left some plugin, like news or wheather... |
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| [18:26:42] | wagner_: | ive tried it before on windows, and it glitches sometimes |
| [18:26:52] | Aval0n: | hmm |
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| [18:26:55] | wagner_: | it only has problems if the video itself has problems |
| [18:27:02] | Aval0n: | I see |
| [18:27:09] | Aval0n: | I watched the whole transformers movie |
| [18:27:12] | Aval0n: | didn't get an error |
| [18:27:16] | wagner_: | but usually youre going to develop glitches on recordings |
| [18:27:18] | Aval0n: | everything looked very good |
| [18:27:18] | kormoc: | Marcelo, myth doesn't currently have the ability to split a screen and run two plugins at the same time |
| [18:27:38] | wagner_: | although here in the states, everything is mpeg2 so it doesnt matter |
| [18:27:43] | Aval0n: | it was a 1080p video that I was watching at 1080i |
| [18:27:52] | wagner_: | im off to work... |
| [18:27:54] | iamlindoro_: | Aval0n, I personally would have spent more time figuring out why you had hiccups, there's no reason you should on that system. |
| [18:28:03] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [18:28:08] | iamlindoro_: | You shouldn't need CoreAVC at all |
| [18:28:19] | Aval0n: | aye |
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| [18:29:14] | Marcelo: | kormoc : thanks... that is my awser... |
| [18:29:52] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro_: I know I have kernel mode deinterlacing set |
| [18:30:06] | Aval0n: | but for my channels 3 and 5 here if I don't have that on, I get tearing all over the place |
| [18:30:16] | iamlindoro_: | Aval0n, If your video was 1080p, no deinterlace is applied to it |
| [18:30:23] | Aval0n: | good |
| [18:30:27] | Aval0n: | that's what I was just gonna sk |
| [18:30:28] | Aval0n: | ask* |
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| [18:30:38] | Aval0n: | kernel mode was intelligent enough to tell the difference. |
| [18:30:56] | Aval0n: | just trying to figure out why it maybe have been hiccuping befor |
| [18:30:59] | Aval0n: | e |
| [18:31:48] | Aval0n: | my hd xfer rate is 60mb/sec |
| [18:31:55] | Aval0n: | so I don't think it could be related to that... |
| [18:32:14] | PatrickDK: | hd content is only 2mb/sec max |
| [18:32:18] | Aval0n: | you're probably just correct about it being a crappy rip |
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| [18:33:11] | Aval0n: | I wonder how soon the new version of libavcodec will be out. |
| [18:33:31] | iamlindoro_: | Aval0n, there are no libavcodec releases |
| [18:33:47] | PatrickDK: | it's svn only :) |
| [18:33:51] | iamlindoro_: | libavcodec is part of ffmpeg, which doesn't make releases. You just build from a given day's SVN |
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| [18:34:31] | iamlindoro_: | The fancy multithreading stuff won't be in there for at *least* a few months anyway, so no rush |
| [18:36:24] | Aval0n: | ah ok |
| [18:38:32] | gbee: | Aval0n: can't you playback h.264 material on your current CPU? |
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| [18:43:43] | Aval0n: | gbee: hi I can.. but I get occasionaly blocking |
| [18:44:06] | Aval0n: | in heavy video fast motion scenes whatnot... |
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| [18:44:12] | gbee: | ahh, what cpu have you got btw? |
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| [18:44:22] | Aval0n: | c2d 2.67ghz |
| [18:44:23] | iamlindoro_: | you get blocking because skiploopfilter turns off the deblocking filter |
| [18:44:43] | Aval0n: | so I should but skiploopfilter back on? |
| [18:45:00] | iamlindoro_: | You'll lose speed but would get the deblocking filter, yes |
| [18:45:11] | Aval0n: | hm alright. |
| [18:45:24] | Aval0n: | I heard someone talking about coreavc agian |
| [18:45:27] | gbee: | hmm, starting to wonder if I skimped a little too much on the CPU for this new system |
| [18:45:36] | Aval0n: | said that the new version doesn't have any bugs like the old days |
| [18:45:44] | Aval0n: | and it's 100% AVC compliant. |
| [18:45:48] | Aval0n: | <Shrug> |
| [18:45:58] | Aval0n: | I am gonna recompile without it again |
| [18:46:00] | Aval0n: | and see what I can do |
| [18:46:11] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, He's got something funky going on. I rip straight off blu-ray and Hd-DVD and can play those on an E4500 @ 2.2 Ghz |
| [18:46:48] | Aval0n: | do you ever notice on any of your rips the blacks looking more grey iamlindoro? |
| [18:46:58] | iamlindoro_: | No |
| [18:47:16] | Aval0n: | k I notice a lot of the sample mkvs I find on the web.. the blacks look grey to me |
| [18:47:19] | gbee: | ok :) I did check that a 2Ghz dual core could handle BBC h.264 material before I bought it, but he had me a little worried there |
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| [18:47:50] | Aval0n: | all my OTA stuff is awesome |
| [18:47:54] | Aval0n: | no problems at all |
| [18:48:12] | gbee: | right, I can rest easy then |
| [18:48:19] | Aval0n: | other than the sound popping from time to time |
| [18:48:23] | Aval0n: | but I belive that's the broadcast. |
| [18:48:30] | gbee: | I've not had a chance to copy over my test samples to the new machine yet |
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| [18:53:36] | fn1: | iamlindoro: your rips, do you play those through myth? or what? do you stream? |
| [18:55:09] | fn1: | aslo what are you using to rip/ have you used dvdfab? |
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| [18:59:10] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro_: you mentioned hd-dvd drivers are 35 bucks does the same apply for blu-ray? |
| [18:59:27] | Aval0n: | I don't think they are going to be making hd-dvd movies much more any longer |
| [18:59:28] | fn1: | no |
| [19:00:15] | kormoc: | where did you find a $35 hddvd player? |
| [19:00:28] | fn1: | prolly the xbox360 one |
| [19:00:28] | ** kormoc buys a player + hd firefly and serenity ** | |
| [19:00:38] | kormoc: | that would require an xbox tho :/ |
| [19:00:42] | fn1: | nope |
| [19:00:47] | kormoc: | ooh? |
| [19:00:52] | fn1: | rip the drive out plug it into a pc |
| [19:01:46] | fn1: | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedF . . . uRayAndHDDVD |
| [19:02:53] | fn1: | kormoc: that page mentions it specifically |
| [19:04:05] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
| [19:05:09] | fn1: | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId . . . 17-7922220-2 |
| [19:05:33] | fn1: | 50 bux at bb but there are a lot of stores that have been closing them out... so they get cheaper |
| [19:05:43] | Aval0n: | http://www.partspc.com/ProductDetails.asp?Cat . . . ProdID=12088 |
| [19:06:27] | kormoc: | Aval0n, that's a great $35 hddvd player |
| [19:06:33] | fn1: | http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/11/8303/ |
| [19:07:08] | Aval0n: | http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=GGC-H20L&c=pw <--- blu-ran and hd-dvd |
| [19:07:12] | Aval0n: | blu-ray even |
| [19:09:45] | fn1: | if your gunna do that.. might as well spend an extra 100 bux or so and get a BR burner |
| [19:10:31] | fn1: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136137 |
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| [19:11:57] | Aval0n: | yeah I guess so :) |
| [19:12:17] | Aval0n: | risk of making 14 dollar coasters doesn't sound that interesting though :) |
| [19:13:05] | fn1: | the'll come down eventually |
| [19:14:59] | Aval0n: | I keep dreaming of the day we can play the blu-ray movies off the disc |
| [19:15:00] | Aval0n: | heh |
| [19:15:02] | Aval0n: | =/ |
| [19:15:21] | fn1: | i think there is software for that |
| [19:15:28] | fn1: | ..or there is a way to do it... |
| [19:15:35] | fn1: | might be kind of kludgy though |
| [19:15:37] | Aval0n: | fn1: I'm referring to in linux |
| [19:15:41] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [19:15:42] | fn1: | as am i |
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| [19:15:46] | Aval0n: | oh? |
| [19:17:00] | aliby2: | Any idea why Mythfrontend segfaults on opening ALSA audio device 'default'? when trying to watch live tv? |
| [19:17:55] | fn1: | something else using it? |
| [19:18:16] | aliby2: | Hm, dont think so |
| [19:18:19] | aliby2: | it's on a fresh reboot |
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| [19:19:38] | fn1: | start it from a command line |
| [19:19:45] | fn1: | and use the -vvv switch |
| [19:20:00] | |Torg|: | try -v all,nodatabase |
| [19:20:11] | kormoc: | -vvv? |
| [19:20:12] | aliby: | Alright |
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| [19:20:32] | TallibJayid: | hi friends |
| [19:20:43] | aliby: | all I get from that is: WriteAudio:Preparing 6144 bytes (1536 frames) then Segmentation Fault |
| [19:20:49] | TallibJayid: | i am using oss4 and my mixer device has devices "play" and "vmix0-vol" which should i choose for mixer device in mythtv setup? |
| [19:20:55] | Aval0n: | fn1: you have any idea what it might have been called? |
| [19:21:18] | kormoc: | TallibJayid, the one that works? or in other words, try one, see if it works, try the next, etc until it works correctly |
| [19:21:41] | TallibJayid: | well, i typed "vmix0-vol" for mixer controls and nothing happens. i was wondering if it's named something else to myth |
| [19:22:09] | fn1: | Aval0n: no its been some time since i saw it... but i remember.. man thats a lot of steps |
| [19:22:20] | Aval0n: | lol oh |
| [19:22:39] | TallibJayid: | kormoc: actually, it seems neither work |
| [19:22:39] | TallibJayid: | s |
| [19:23:12] | TallibJayid: | if i put mixer device as vmix0-vol or play, changing volume in myth does nothing |
| [19:23:23] | Aval0n: | is there a project going at all that anyone knows of to get BRD playing off a drive in linux? |
| [19:23:41] | kormoc: | TallibJayid, mixed device is a file in /dev/ not a logical mixer name |
| [19:23:42] | |Torg|: | TallibJayid: what are you outputting your sound to? |
| [19:23:56] | Aval0n: | wtf |
| [19:23:57] | Aval0n: | sorry |
| [19:23:58] | Aval0n: | ignore that |
| [19:23:58] | Aval0n: | heh |
| [19:24:00] | TallibJayid: | torg, well i am using the oss4 x-fi driver. i get sound in myth, i just want to be able to control it |
| [19:24:20] | |Torg|: | yes TallibJayid, to what tho, to speakers? to a surround sound device via alsa? how? |
| [19:24:29] | TallibJayid: | to speakers with oss4 |
| [19:24:32] | aliby: | |Torg|, fn1, etc all I get from doing -v all,nodatabase is: WriteAudio:Preparing 6144 bytes (1536 frames) then Segmentation Fault |
| [19:24:48] | TallibJayid: | i told gstreamer to use oss and it sees the devices play, rec, vmix0-src |
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| [19:30:27] | aliby: | no other thoughts on why it segfaults when opening the ALSA device? |
| [19:31:15] | Anduin: | aliby: get a backtrace |
| [19:31:32] | TalibJayid: | |Torg|: ? |
| [19:32:15] | aliby: | Anduin I have the backtrace now |
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| [19:33:42] | aliby: | Anduin: http://aliby.privatepaste.com/ca1aIZ2nTb |
| [19:34:47] | Anduin: | That is an strace, not what I'd normally call a backtrace (generated by gdb bt) |
| [19:34:59] | aliby: | whoops :p |
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| [19:38:41] | aliby: | what would I need to enter to do the backtrace |
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| [19:41:08] | russK: | I like to launch front end with -geometry 640x480 on my desktop PC ... is there a way to switch to fullscreen during playback? |
| [19:41:26] | aliby: | nvm I got it started |
| [19:41:34] | GreyFoxx: | russ: not of you use -geoemtry |
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| [19:42:18] | aliby: | Anduin: http://aliby.privatepaste.com/2bycssIDBy |
| [19:42:43] | TalibJayid: | anyone have the problem with mythtv that sometimes the display is black? |
| [19:43:01] | GreyFoxx: | Talib: Are you using the OpenGL Video renderer ? |
| [19:43:13] | TalibJayid: | i think so |
| [19:43:16] | russK: | GreyFoxx: thanks ... if I don't use -geometry then it comes up fullscreen which is normally not what I want ... I guess I should set a bookmark and then close and reopen? |
| [19:43:18] | GreyFoxx: | turn that off |
| [19:44:00] | Anduin: | aliby: after you get the SIGSEGV you need to thread apply all bt full |
| [19:44:22] | aliby: | got that too |
| [19:44:34] | GreyFoxx: | russ: pretty much, myth isn't really intended for flipping back and forth from window to fullscreen |
| [19:45:04] | russK: | thanks GreyFoxx |
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| [19:46:51] | aliby: | Anduin is there any way to save the bt easially? |
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| [19:47:36] | Anduin: | aliby: set logging on filename |
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| [19:47:45] | aliby: | eh i copied and pasted. got it again |
| [19:48:14] | aliby: | Anduin: http://aliby.privatepaste.com/51mpwAAfVR |
| [19:48:37] | mindkrime: | Does anyone know if anyone is working on a port to the sagetv hd extender? I have one on the way and would like to help if there is already an effort underway. |
| [19:48:45] | |Torg|: | TalibJayid: sorry, I am at work (I assume about 1/2 the people are here as well). But AFAIK mytht uses alsa, not oss. So whatever alsamixer tells you to use you need to use |
| [19:49:10] | TalibJayid: | torg, i have an x-fi and can only use oss right now |
| [19:49:12] | kormoc: | |Torg|, you have that backwards |
| [19:49:13] | GreyFoxx: | Myth will use ALSA or OSS for playback, and OSS only for capture from framebuffer cards |
| [19:49:39] | kormoc: | |Torg|, alsa has been recently added, but oss is still fully supported |
| [19:49:46] | TalibJayid: | /dev/mixer1 -> /dev/oss/sbxfi0/mix0 |
| [19:49:49] | TalibJayid: | so that is my mixer device |
| [19:50:06] | GreyFoxx: | ALSA has been added for capture support? Musta missed that |
| [19:50:14] | |Torg|: | ok kormoc, in reality I only know how alsa works, I use spdif and myth dosnt have anything to do with volume control |
| [19:50:35] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, who said that? |
| [19:50:36] | Anduin: | aliby: Hmm, that bt isn't very helpful (looks like a corrupt stack before the crash) |
| [19:50:59] | |Torg|: | and since I only set up alsa to play as a default I didnt realise it was running though oss |
| [19:51:00] | aliby: | Anduin: Weird thing is, before a reboot yesterday (i removed a tuner card that wasnt working) I was able to watch TV just fine |
| [19:51:08] | GreyFoxx: | korm: Well you said alsa support was a recent addition, so I assumed you meant for capture :) |
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| [19:51:21] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, ahh, nah, for playback, whoops :P |
| [19:52:22] | TalibJayid: | well this stinks, it won't save my change to audio to use /dev/mixer1 as mixer device |
| [19:52:28] | TalibJayid: | it keeps resetting it to /dev/mixer |
| [19:52:40] | TalibJayid: | hmm |
| [19:52:46] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [19:54:20] | TalibJayid: | kormoc: well, i got it saved as /dev/mixer1 and i set control to Master, but changing volume in myth still does nothing |
| [19:55:26] | Aval0n: | where can you play with setting with myth's internal player for h264 so it doesn't stretch to full screen? |
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| [19:55:39] | GreyFoxx: | huh? |
| [19:55:47] | TalibJayid: | GreyFoxx: opengl is problematic? |
| [19:55:47] | Aval0n: | in mplayer this vid is letterboxed in mythtv's internal player it isn't. |
| [19:56:10] | GreyFoxx: | tali: the nvidia drivers past 96.43 have some issues |
| [19:56:38] | TalibJayid: | oh ok |
| [19:56:40] | aliby: | Anduin: This also happens when trying to play any sort of recorded show as well |
| [19:56:52] | |Torg|: | intersting I run 169.09 1080I HD that works fine |
| [19:56:53] | aliby: | and the only other thing I forgot to say – I disabled my onboard soundcard in BIOS on reboot |
| [19:57:48] | Aval0n: | I run 169.12 with 1080i fine... |
| [19:57:57] | Aval0n: | but I'm using xv-blit |
| [19:58:00] | Aval0n: | not opengel |
| [19:58:02] | Aval0n: | :P |
| [19:58:32] | GreyFoxx: | Ava: There is no such setting to do what you describe. You just manually change the aspect if not correctly detected.guessed. Or set your default aspect |
| [19:58:39] | GreyFoxx: | Or pick your fill method |
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| [19:59:13] | Aval0n: | ok ty |
| [19:59:47] | TalibJayid: | GreyFoxx: ok, that fixed my video problem |
| [20:00:08] | GreyFoxx: | tal: Hopefully future drivers will fix it , unless we get a work around in there. |
| [20:00:20] | GreyFoxx: | The OpenGL renederer looks nice for the most part |
| [20:00:32] | TalibJayid: | GreyFoxx: i was wondering what to do about my audio thing. i have to use oss4 for now in order to use an x-fi card. |
| [20:00:43] | TalibJayid: | im using myth right now and the audio works, but i can't change the volume in it |
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| [20:01:10] | TalibJayid: | /dev/mixer1 -> /dev/oss/sbxfi0/mix0 – this should mean /dev/mixer1 is the right device, but i cant choose the right control or something |
| [20:01:39] | aliby: | Anduin i figured part of it out |
| [20:02:27] | kleetus: | for the record: PatrickDK is a genius...i swapped my FX5200 (PCI) out for a nvidia 6200 LE (PCIe) and it works MUCH BETTER |
| [20:02:51] | PatrickDK: | not genius, just pay attention to bandwidth :) |
| [20:03:09] | PatrickDK: | heh, LE |
| [20:03:22] | ** iamlindoro_ gets grumpy because he said it first ;) ** | |
| [20:03:33] | PatrickDK: | I wonder how good those work for myth, I guess as good as a normal card |
| [20:03:44] | PatrickDK: | iamlindoro, but you didn't s-p-e-l-l it out :) |
| [20:03:57] | iamlindoro_: | <- Never learned to spell ;) |
| [20:05:07] | kleetus: | PatrickDK: the LE is working fine..of course i have not tried 1080i content (daytime TV) |
| [20:05:29] | TalibJayid: | GreyFoxx: if i put master, shouldn't that work? |
| [20:05:48] | PatrickDK: | it's been awhile since I read up on the LE |
| [20:06:00] | PatrickDK: | but I think it uses the system memory, instead of it's own |
| [20:06:17] | PatrickDK: | or am I thinking of some other combination of letters :) |
| [20:06:43] | kleetus: | PatrickDK: hehe Springer is funny |
| [20:08:57] | kleetus: | it has been awhile since I have seen Jerry Springer, did not know it was still on |
| [20:30:47] | aliby: | Anduin: If I set the card in Mythfrontend to be surround51 instead of default, i get further but still segfault |
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| [20:42:51] | aliby: | i still can't get past the seg fault after "Opening ALSA audio device 'default |
| [20:43:00] | aliby: | i keep getting the segfault |
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| [20:46:11] | gbee: | backtrace |
| [20:46:16] | aliby: | I did one already |
| [20:46:28] | aliby: | when I try mythtv versus mythfrontend, it segfaults at a different position |
| [20:48:59] | PatrickDK: | heh? |
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| [20:49:09] | PatrickDK: | I never knew there was a mythtv program |
| [20:49:32] | iamlindoro_: | It just goes straight into livetv |
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| [20:49:49] | PatrickDK: | ah |
| [20:50:00] | aliby: | The backtrace is as follows: #0 0xb7f23bad in ?? () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2 #1 0x00000000 in ?? () |
| [20:50:37] | gbee: | aliby: are you building from source or using packages? |
| [20:50:44] | aliby: | Ubuntu's packages |
| [20:50:53] | aliby: | 8.04 |
| [20:51:05] | aliby: | I don't mind building from source |
| [20:51:08] | aliby: | if it fixes my problems :p |
| [20:51:39] | gbee: | I'm wondering if it's not some optimisations that are being used in the packages which don't work too well with your cpu architecture |
| [20:53:28] | gbee: | just a guess though, the fact that the segfault shifts and the useless backtrace often accompany that issue |
| [20:53:29] | aliby: | gbee: the odd part is, I disabled my onboard soundcard in BIOS and removed a non-functioning tuner card yesterday |
| [20:53:34] | aliby: | before that it worked just fine |
| [20:53:40] | gbee: | ahh, hmm |
| [20:53:53] | aliby: | I could go put both back in and see if it makes any difference |
| [20:54:05] | aliby: | I'm thinking I should uninstall/reinstall the packages, but I'm not sure if that will do anything |
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| [20:55:14] | gbee: | ok, guess I missed all of this earlier :) Might be config related then, you could try changing the hostname – that will allow you to keep your existing frontend configuration options (under the old hostname) but see if a blank slate helps at all |
| [20:55:31] | aliby: | so just change the machine's hostname? |
| [20:55:50] | aliby: | gbee – doesnt matter to me if I lose the config settings |
| [20:56:01] | aliby: | I havent used mythtv on this machine for anything substantial anyway |
| [20:56:44] | gbee: | ok, well try changing the hostname first – least destructive approach, |
| [20:57:18] | gbee: | it would be nice to get a meaningful backtrace so that the issue can be fixed for other users, but I appreciate that you've tried that and it hasn't worked out too well |
| [20:57:23] | aliby: | yeah |
| [20:57:26] | aliby: | i'll give it a shot |
| [20:57:37] | aliby: | and I already removed the packages, but i think the config files are still tehre |
| [20:57:38] | aliby: | *there |
| [20:58:08] | gbee: | configuration is stored in the database, so removing the packages won't wipe it |
| [20:58:27] | aliby: | so change the hostname of the machine where? In MythTV's settings? |
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| [20:58:49] | gbee: | it's keyed by hostname, so multiple configurations for different frontends are stored in the same places |
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| [20:59:32] | gbee: | LocalHostName= in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [21:00:03] | gbee: | probably ... been years since I setup a MythTV install from scratch and I've a bad memory ;) |
| [21:00:16] | aliby: | hehe |
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| [21:04:48] | aliby: | gbee i keep getting an error saying it can't connect to the db |
| [21:05:00] | aliby: | even though mysql is running and mythbackend is too |
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| [21:07:19] | Hannibal-: | Error parsing: /usr/share/mythtv///setup.xml at line: 109 column: 12 msg: tag mismatch |
| [21:07:28] | Hannibal-: | can't run mythtv-setup at all :-\ |
| [21:07:34] | Hannibal-: | anyone seen that before? |
| [21:08:31] | gbee: | Hannibal-: Nigel committed a broken patch to trunk a few hours ago, it's yet to be fixed |
| [21:08:54] | gbee: | suppose I should stop waiting for him to notice my comment and fix it myself :) |
| [21:09:23] | aliby: | gbee I don't get the segfault now. Instead I get a black screen when trying to watch live tv |
| [21:09:31] | aliby: | nvm there it is |
| [21:09:39] | gbee: | aliby: well it's progress, of sorts ;) |
| [21:09:57] | Hannibal-: | is there a quick fix? |
| [21:10:04] | Hannibal-: | because the tag seems fine |
| [21:10:35] | aliby: | gbee – it's the same error... Opening ALSA audio device 'default'. then Segmentation Fault |
| [21:10:53] | Hannibal-: | hm, something with the swedish entries |
| [21:10:56] | aliby: | before I set the mixer to default instead of /dev/mixer I get an error saying to check mixer name |
| [21:12:13] | gbee: | aliby: my guess is that the alsa configuration is screwed after you removed the card, does Ubuntu have a hardware setup/config wizard you can run to try and fix the broken configs? |
| [21:12:27] | gbee: | Hannibal-: I'll have it fixed in a second |
| [21:12:27] | aliby: | probably |
| [21:12:51] | Hannibal-: | ok |
| [21:12:54] | Hannibal-: | thanks :-) |
| [21:14:15] | gbee: | Hannibal-: which branch? I've fixed trunk, should have -fixes done in couple of minutes |
| [21:14:24] | Hannibal-: | i see the prob |
| [21:14:26] | Hannibal-: | i'm in fixes |
| [21:14:37] | dustybin: | does everyone here, eat, live and breath mythtv? |
| [21:15:07] | Hannibal-: | a missing < |
| [21:15:18] | Hannibal-: | had to look at the commit to see it, i couldn't see it in the file |
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| [21:15:29] | PatrickDK: | dustybin, if I could figure out how to eat it |
| [21:15:35] | PatrickDK: | cause I'm starving |
| [21:16:02] | gbee: | done |
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| [21:16:41] | Hannibal-: | thanks :-) |
| [21:17:13] | gbee: | Hannibal-: I spotted it a few minutes after Nigel committed it, but I wanted to give him a chance to fix it – guess he was AFK though |
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| [21:18:43] | Hannibal-: | yeah, in the commit it was obvious... but i just use nano, and it wasn't jumping out when looking at the whole xml. |
| [21:18:51] | Hannibal-: | thanks :-) |
| [21:23:43] | aliby: | gbee – after uninstalling/reinstalling alsa-base and alsa-utils (including removing config files) i still get the segfault |
| [21:24:08] | gbee: | aliby: I'm out of idea, sorry |
| [21:24:13] | aliby: | heh |
| [21:24:14] | aliby: | same here |
| [21:24:17] | aliby: | :-( |
| [21:25:12] | aliby: | rebooting now just to be sure |
| [21:25:14] | gbee: | segfaults are usually, though not always, the fault of MythTV – even if the underlying cause is something over which we have no control, such as a bad alsa config |
| [21:25:36] | aliby: | yeah, but the backtraces in this case show nothing |
| [21:25:38] | gbee: | but without a usable backtrace we can't fix them :( |
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| [21:26:35] | aliby: | I may go ahead and reinstall ubuntu for good measure |
| [21:26:39] | gbee: | obviously this isn't a problem we've seen before or a) it would be fixed b) we might have some better answers :) I just wish I could be more help |
| [21:26:51] | aliby: | heh gbee you've been a great help |
| [21:27:02] | aliby: | just cant seem to find a solution! :/ |
| [21:27:49] | gbee: | if it was mandriva I'd just run drakconf and have it sort out the hardware configuration, I still suspect that there is something pointing at the non-existant sound card |
| [21:28:02] | aliby: | yeah |
| [21:28:06] | aliby: | i'll enable it again on boot |
| [21:28:09] | aliby: | and see what happens then |
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| [21:29:32] | aliby: | if this works I'll be mad. lol |
| [21:29:41] | gbee: | heh |
| [21:31:00] | aliby: | it could be a local profile issue too |
| [21:31:10] | aliby: | i should create a new user and see what happens |
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| [21:34:17] | toorima: | is there any way of picking which tuner to be used in pip? |
| [21:34:19] | aliby: | nope it segfaults still |
| [21:34:47] | Aval0n: | anyone else have issues with their TV program guide being laggy |
| [21:34:49] | Aval0n: | ? |
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| [21:36:10] | aliby: | gbee the error always is Invalid CTL /dev/mixer or /dev/mixer1 depending on what I set it to |
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| [21:38:22] | toorima: | y doesn't work in pip for me at least |
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| [21:38:55] | adc: | mythweb sends html pages rendered for mobiles, even though i use the desktop browser firefox. whats going wrong here? |
| [21:38:56] | xris: | adc: there's info about resetting the template in the README file. |
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| [21:41:19] | adc: | adc: i deleted the cookies but still the same |
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| [21:42:27] | adc: | xris: in the mythweb README? |
| [21:43:38] | xris: | yes |
| [21:44:08] | xris: | might want to make sure it's the latest version of the readme.. I remember there being a typo in that particular question, which I fixed a couple of weeks ago. |
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| [21:44:59] | dustybin: | i was watching a film the other night and i paused it on a sexy women what appeared, but the OSD covered all the good bits, is there a way to pause with no OSD ? |
| [21:45:41] | sphery: | Esc |
| [21:45:46] | sphery: | pause, then Esc |
| [21:45:55] | aliby: | oh jeez... its pulseaudio causing the problem gbee |
| [21:46:16] | sphery: | aliby: is causing problems for a lot of people on (at least one of the) new distros |
| [21:46:20] | aliby: | yep |
| [21:46:23] | aliby: | just found that out |
| [21:46:25] | sphery: | FC8? |
| [21:46:25] | aliby: | i keep segfaulting |
| [21:46:45] | sphery: | Need to either configure for Pulse or don't |
| [21:47:23] | Anduin: | The new Ubuntu has it as well I believe |
| [21:47:29] | sphery: | nvm, just saw it's Ubuntu 8.04 |
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| [21:47:58] | gbee: | wonder why it's triggering a segfault |
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| [21:48:32] | aliby: | because my user is not in the pulseaudio group |
| [21:48:39] | aliby: | and therefore cant access it :x |
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| [21:49:09] | gbee: | I meant why are we not handling that event gracefully |
| [21:49:09] | aliby: | lets test that theory now that I've added the user to those groups |
| [21:49:16] | aliby: | Nope |
| [21:49:37] | aliby: | NVP: Disabling Audio, reason is: Unable to set ALSA parameters |
| [21:50:03] | gbee: | aliby: could you open a ticket detailing the issue, mention that the backtrace is worthless or someone might still ask for one, but I'd like to be reminded so that I can look at fixing it |
| [21:50:24] | aliby: | gbee I'm not actually using pulseaudio |
| [21:50:26] | aliby: | supposedly |
| [21:50:38] | aliby: | everything is set to ALSA |
| [21:51:13] | Anduin: | aliby: pulse installs an alsa plugin |
| [21:52:31] | aliby: | Hmmm |
| [21:52:39] | aliby: | wonder what happens if I switch everything to pulse? |
| [21:53:16] | aliby: | wait |
| [21:53:17] | aliby: | wait |
| [21:53:20] | ** aliby sighs ** | |
| [21:53:22] | aliby: | damn you ubuntu |
| [21:54:09] | sphery: | you can just disable the pulse audio plugin (as you probably don't need the network audio server for Myth) |
| [21:54:48] | aliby: | i'm still having other issues though |
| [21:55:07] | aliby: | i dont think mine are pulseaudio based |
| [21:55:10] | adc: | xris: i've the ubuntu version of mythtv mythbuntu there is a readme inside but it doesnt say anything about it |
| [21:55:19] | aliby: | I have mythbuntu as well |
| [21:55:56] | sphery: | aliby: if audio isn't working properly, Myth is almost guaranteed to have a plethora of seemingly unrelated problems during playback |
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| [21:56:04] | aliby: | sphery audio is working fine |
| [21:56:09] | xris: | adc: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . thweb/README |
| [21:56:17] | aliby: | it's just when I go to watch live tv in mythfrontend, it crashes |
| [21:56:20] | aliby: | and segfaults |
| [21:56:51] | xris: | wait, I guess I didn't push that fix to the fixes branch. weird. |
| [21:56:55] | xris: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . thweb/README |
| [21:56:58] | xris: | try that one instead |
| [21:57:07] | xris: | just search for "reset" |
| [21:57:23] | sphery: | I wondered why that change went only to trunk. ;) |
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| [21:58:23] | adc: | xris: will i have todo this now everytime i access mythweb with a mobile browser? |
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| [21:58:46] | sphery: | adc: set up 2 MythWeb users--one for mobile and one for desktop |
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| [21:58:57] | sphery: | (i.e. 2 logins in your .htdigest) |
| [21:59:17] | adc: | sphery: i see |
| [21:59:49] | aliby: | gbee I think it's reinstall time |
| [21:59:54] | adc: | strange, now i get Error when calling mythweb failed to open stream: no such file or directory modules/settings/tmpl/wap/header.php |
| [22:00:10] | xris: | I also need to remember to figure out why the moble template is sticking.. it's not supposed to show the mobile template to normal browsers. |
| [22:01:13] | adc: | calling this url doesnt help http://my.mythweb.tld/settings?RESET_THEME=yes |
| [22:01:37] | sphery: | did you do RESETTMPL as opposed to RESETTHEME |
| [22:01:40] | kormoc: | try RESET_SKIN=yes |
| [22:01:46] | kormoc: | ahh, tmpl is it |
| [22:01:51] | ** sphery thinks ** | |
| [22:02:03] | aliby: | so before I reinstall, any suggestions on using ubuntu + installing mythtv or just doing mythbuntu ? |
| [22:02:20] | xris: | adc: you missed the part about me grumbling that I hadn't updated the .21 version, and send you a second updated link |
| [22:03:17] | adc: | xris: now it works it should be called RESET_TMPL=yes |
| [22:03:22] | sphery: | I hate it when you let qt4.4.0 compile for hours and then your HDD fills up. And to make it worse, I disabled ccache since I figured I won't be recompiling it... :( |
| [22:03:33] | xris: | adc: that is correct. |
| [22:03:45] | sphery: | that's what the fix xris was talking about was... |
| [22:04:16] | sphery: | (i.e. <+xris> try that one instead) |
| [22:04:27] | adc: | xris: isnt it done by css deciding wether this is a mobile or not or is it done within php? |
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| [22:04:47] | kormoc: | adc, <xris> I also need to remember to figure out why the moble template is sticking.. it's not supposed to show the mobile template to normal browsers. |
| [22:04:48] | jarle: | aliby: are you gonna use it only for myth or as a desktop machine also? |
| [22:05:00] | kormoc: | adc, reading what's said in the channel might help a smig |
| [22:05:09] | aliby: | jarle desktop + myth |
| [22:05:17] | kormoc: | adc, it's php based detection |
| [22:05:22] | adc: | kormoc: sorry for my bad english but what is smig? |
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| [22:05:38] | kormoc: | adc, a little bit, a small amount |
| [22:05:48] | jarle: | aliby: I have the same usage and I am running ubuntu +mythtv and would suggest you do the same. |
| [22:05:54] | adc: | i see, thank you very much, yes, but i'm really new to it |
| [22:06:00] | sphery: | kormoc: I think I figured out the problem with the timezone and why we need the full zoneinfo name (rather than just the current offset/current "simple" zone--i.e. EST), but I'd love for you to confirm before I write the code. |
| [22:06:17] | jarle: | aliby: I have never used mythbuntu, but I would think it is geared more about a myth only setup? |
| [22:06:19] | kormoc: | sphery, kk, sounds good |
| [22:06:41] | adc: | is it possible to make a sort of bouquete with the channels ? |
| [22:06:44] | aliby: | jarle as far as I know it can be used for both |
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| [22:07:15] | jarle: | aliby: ok |
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| [22:08:14] | sphery: | kormoc: as I see it the problem comes about because of the conversions that MythWeb has to do. It gets a date/time in the backend's local time, but then it has to convert, i.e. to Unix time for some parts. Then, when it converts back to user-readable format for other parts, it uses the MythWeb server's timezone info, so if the MythWeb server and the backend have different zones specified, we get different times, right? |
| [22:08:48] | adante: | anybody use vlc to play the .nuv files in windows |
| [22:08:58] | adante: | i'm having trouble being able to seek in them |
| [22:09:16] | kormoc: | sphery, anytime we have to change the time format, we have to convert it to unixtime, so yes, in short,that's exactly the issue |
| [22:09:22] | adante: | this isn't mythweb streaming, just the direct file |
| [22:09:30] | sphery: | adante: using Samba to share the files? |
| [22:09:32] | xris: | adante: myth is pretty much the only thing that can play nuv |
| [22:09:37] | adante: | sphery: yeah |
| [22:09:48] | sphery: | then it's probably what xris said. |
| [22:10:05] | adante: | xris: hm, i had vlc playing and seeking .nuv files in the past.. but that was a while ago and maybe 0.20.2 |
| [22:10:31] | sphery: | kormoc: OK. Thanks. It turns out there's no library command (glibc or Qt or ...) to get the currently-configured zoneinfo setting, so I'm going to have to write code to inspect the system configuration to determine what's set on the backend. |
| [22:10:49] | sphery: | It's ugly code, so I wanted to verify we really need it before I work on it. |
| [22:11:59] | xris: | sphery: eww. |
| [22:12:04] | sphery: | Fortunately, Sun GPL2'ed the Java source code and they had to do the exact same parsing for Java. So, I'm using the OpenJDK 6/7 code to provide the algorithm (though I'll completely rewrite the functionality because theirs is C and I should use Qt) |
| [22:12:08] | xris: | should make a mythproto call for it. |
| [22:12:24] | sphery: | You mean QUERY_TIMEZONE? |
| [22:13:07] | sphery: | If so, I tried to last night, but between HRearden and kormoc, we decided that the initial approach was too naive. http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5319 |
| [22:13:45] | kormoc: | sphery, Well, offset amounts won't work, actual timezone info should be enough |
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| [22:14:48] | Andreaz: | Any idea, why suddenly my local encoders are remote and not connected? |
| [22:15:11] | sphery: | kormoc: Yeah. And it looks like PHP is built on the zoneinfo database, too (glibc, and, therefore, GNU/Linux, is, too), so it will be "compatible". I'm going to leave the Windows impl to the Win devs (but with a reference to an example). |
| [22:15:37] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [22:16:09] | adc: | by bouquets i mean sort of channellisting where people could group channels together. |
| [22:16:53] | sphery: | So, you may need to support multiple modes--got good zoneinfo info, so compare/change the PHP timezone; got only an offset, so try to detect if the offset is the same as the PHP offset and issue a warning/error if not (won't catch all problems, but will help), or got nothing, so hope for the best. |
| [22:17:21] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
| [22:17:27] | sphery: | Andreaz: you changed your hostname. (Where, "you," is read, "something.") |
| [22:17:37] | kormoc: | won't be overly hard, I have a re-write of the time format stuff on my plate anyway |
| [22:18:39] | sphery: | Cool. I'm starting to appreciate just failing to start when users misconfigure their systems (i.e. no HOME) and may write the same check for backend timezones (if they don't match the master backend's timezone, fail to start with a good message). |
| [22:19:01] | kormoc: | Yeah |
| [22:19:12] | sphery: | We've been letting too many users think they have things set up and working when things are misconfigured and some stuff is bound to faile. |
| [22:19:30] | kormoc: | I actually think failing with a decent (unique) message is way better then attempting to work around everything |
| [22:19:32] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [22:21:06] | Andreaz: | Hm. I think i damaged anything dependency-like on my system. |
| [22:21:10] | sphery: | Much easier for us, too. And it could save a bunch of "bug" reports. (Though the HOME thing is causing a lot of "Myth/ATrpms/MythBuntu/... is broken" questions on the list, I think that's mainly because we let people run misconfigured for so long.) |
| [22:22:05] | Aval0n: | this c2d e6300 o/c'ed is running nicely at 2.8ghz @ 32c idle 39c peak |
| [22:22:08] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [22:22:11] | Aval0n: | nice little chips |
| [22:23:56] | sphery: | Yeah, if only the chipsets/mobo's were as nice. Of course, AMD has the opposite problem (nice little chipsets/mobo's, not so nice CPU's). |
| [22:24:20] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [22:24:24] | Aval0n: | I like my p35 chipset |
| [22:24:30] | kormoc: | sphery, I'm a fan of intel mobo's and chipsets, they tend to work fairly well overall |
| [22:25:07] | sphery: | they work, but they're not as power-friendly as the AMD ones. |
| [22:26:02] | sphery: | I want low power (but powerful) CPU /and/ low power chipset/mobo, but can't have both with today's x86 platforms |
| [22:28:22] | remoevd: | via c7 |
| [22:29:07] | kormoc: | he said powerful :P |
| [22:29:24] | sphery: | exactly |
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| [22:33:28] | gbee: | my new AMD x2 3600 idles at 27C, which isn't too bad considering it's not a mobile CPU |
| [22:34:10] | gbee: | powerful enough for HD (well it should be, I'll find out in a couple of days ;) ) |
| [22:35:01] | gbee: | btw, who was asking about adding uptime to the status info? I realised today that it's already there ... |
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| [22:37:39] | ** gbee ponders switching it for one of the 45W models in a few months ** | |
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| [22:51:41] | hobbynutte: | hi, mythfrontend asked me the first time i wanted to watch recordings, which recordings i wanna watch (LiveTV, Default, All), i accidently chose LiveTv, and now i cannot find that dialog or any setting :( |
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| [22:53:08] | hobbynutte: | nvm, found it , its the m key :) |
| [22:55:43] | Andreaz: | Sphery: Thanks for the hostname-tip btw., found the typo. Another for a blank main menu in any theme with any setting (opengl, qt) ? :) |
| [22:56:15] | Andreaz: | Something broke her while fsck with a damaged hd.cable.. :/ |
| [22:57:24] | gbee: | Andreaz: missing font packages |
| [22:58:10] | Andreaz: | Wouldnt the frontend yell for anything like that? |
| [22:58:21] | gbee: | hobbynutte: press Menu (M), Change Filter, Default/All Programmes, ok |
| [22:58:55] | gbee: | Andreaz: no |
| [23:03:26] | aliby: | gbee: Time for a complete reinstall |
| [23:03:58] | gbee: | :( |
| [23:04:12] | aliby: | no matter what I try, nothing solves the issue |
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| [23:04:54] | pembo13_com: | i have run into problems once again with mythtv and video cards |
| [23:05:08] | pembo13_com: | is there a way to flush/clear the theme cache? |
| [23:05:35] | pembo13_com: | i had to pull an nvidia VGA from a mythfrontend box and revert to the embded intel card |
| [23:05:35] | gbee: | Andreaz: it will try to fall back to similar installed fonts, but if none are installed then nothing is displayed without error – that will change so that at least some warning is displayed, but packagers should at least be requiring a minimum number of fonts installed |
| [23:05:48] | pembo13_com: | and now the theme of my choice nolonger works |
| [23:05:54] | gbee: | pembo13_com: rm -rf ~/.mythtv/themecache |
| [23:06:03] | pembo13_com: | gbee, merci |
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| [23:08:16] | pembo13_com: | gbee, is this exposed anywhere in the UI? |
| [23:08:26] | Andreaz: | Ill try to reinstall fonts, maybe it helps. |
| [23:08:36] | pembo13_com: | gbee, last time I had this issue i was more ignorant and spent a lot of time blaming xorg |
| [23:08:36] | gbee: | no, since it shouldn't be necessary normally |
| [23:08:45] | pembo13_com: | gbee, second time on this machine |
| [23:08:55] | pembo13_com: | gbee, but thanks for the tip |
| [23:09:12] | gbee: | changing video cards shouldn't affect the theme cache at all, so it's an odd problem |
| [23:09:56] | pembo13_com: | gbee, it happened when i put in the nvidia card... i inadvertedly fixed by creating a seperate user just for mthtv viewing |
| [23:10:17] | pembo13_com: | gbee, this time its happened while i remove the card... same resolution though |
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