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Wednesday, April 23rd, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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GreyFoxx:

sivel27: the recording profil;es on the frontend

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GreyFoxx:

free listings I wouldn't know

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GreyFoxx:

depends on where in the world you are located :)

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toad0225:

is there any guide out there to show a Windows users (linux noobs) how to install mythtv? I have ubuntu installed and dl'ed myth but have no idea what i need to do

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cecil:

toad0225: there are packages for Ubuntu

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cecil:

toad0225: if you search the ubuntu forum or wiki (or google), you'll find instructions

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toad0225:

i saw instruxtions somewhere but they made no sense

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hobbynutte:

big thanks to the guy who commited the patch to resolve the (i think ffmpeg related) audio quriks, clicks and sounds when signal or crc is bad

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hobbynutte:

watching some channels was not posssible for that, finally again i can watch football without getting a headache =)

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cesman:

toad0225: then, I'd suggest you _point_ to those instructions and state where it doesn't make sense to you

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toad0225:

cesman: iwould but hte only instruction I can find are in webpages...not forums

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cesman:

toad0225: don't be ignorant

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hobbynutte:

toad0225: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV

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hobbynutte:

maybe searching in the ubuntu wiki would have the logical first step ? :)

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hobbynutte:

would have been*

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toad0225:

wowthanks guys for insulting my intelligence. The instructions I have found tell me to install mythbuntu....ok if I am alright with not leaning how to install anyhting else in linux

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iamlindoro:

toad0225: Ubuntu *uses* Mythbuntu as its Myth install

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cesman:

toad0225: now, you are being ignorant

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toad0225:

of course I am ignorant...that is why I am asking

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iamlindoro:

moreover, if you are brand spanking new there are few reasons to install Ubuntu then MythTV over an actual Mythbuntu ISO, it would probably be much simpler for you

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hobbynutte:

toad0225: you *CAN* read ? Install a Backend on an existing Ubuntu Gutsy Desktop : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Gutsy_Backend_Desktop

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toad0225:

I have UBUNTU installed...not MYTHBUNTU

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iamlindoro:

Ahem

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iamlindoro:

"iamlindoro: toad0225: Ubuntu *uses* Mythbuntu as its Myth install"

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hobbynutte:

or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Guts . . . tend_Desktop Install a Backend and Frontend on an existing Ubuntu Gutsy Desktop

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toad0225:

I wanted to know how to install Myth on top of Ubuntu and how that all works without installing a custom MYTHBUNTU

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** cesman goes back to testing KnoppMyth... **

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hobbynutte:

*existing*

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cesman:

toad0225: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

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iamlindoro:

toad0225: These people (and increasingly, myself) are frustrated with you because you won't listen... Ubuntu's MythTV IS Mythbuntu now, and has been for two versions or so

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hobbynutte:

toad0225: as yous ee it is possible toinstall myth in an existing ubuntu, links provided above

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toad0225:

I am merely trying to understand that in itself...mythtv is not universal across all linux distros?

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iamlindoro:

Myth as an application is always more or less the same-- how it is installed and the various little helpers vary from distro to distro

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toad0225:

hobby...if you look it asks you to download mythbuntu in thosed instructions

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iamlindoro:

oh for fuck's sake

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marl:

toad0225, if u have just installed ubuntu, then u simply tell ubuntu to install myhtv for you, ether via apt-get or whatever package manger you have installed

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toad0225:

but how marl?

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marl:

something like : apt-get install mythtv

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toad0225:

that is what my question has been this whole time

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marl:

from the command line

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toad0225:

marl where does it have to be dl'ed to in order to be seen by apt-get?

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hobbynutte:

toad0225: no its asks you not ! https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Guts . . . tend_Desktop

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cesman:

lol!

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marl:

or if u have a GUI up then i think the program is called synaptics package manager (or something like that)

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toad0225:

and does it need extracted first?

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iamlindoro:

The work day must be over in the USA, the blind are prefering to be led by the blind

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marl:

toad0225, apt-get does it all for you

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hobbynutte:

toad0225: and maybe you should learn how package maangers function

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marl:

iamlidoro, was i incorect in saying that apt-get install mythtv would work?

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toad0225:

hobby...that is why i asked if there were n00b guides...but rather thn help a majority would raher just troll

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iamlindoro:

marl: Not if you expect myth to work in the end-- if he wants it to WORK, he should follow the wiki

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StupidAmerican:

toad0225: very good n00b guide — google "myth tv ology" — yes, the guide is for fedora, but it has basically everything you need for any distro, anyway.... that guide + a few google searches is all you need

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toad0225:

i didnt ask for complete handholding either...jsut pointed to a guide regarding that

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StupidAmerican:

^^^^^

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toad0225:

thnks stupidamerican

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hobbynutte:

toad0225: you just add the controlcentre of mythbuntu to your existing ubuntu installation, but i give up here now, you should start reading and just trying out

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StupidAmerican:

anytime ;-)

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** hobbynutte opens a beer **

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StupidAmerican:

toad0225: while you're at it... if you run into trouble with hardware or driver setup for the capture card, ï»¿http://linuxtv.org/wiki (for digital) and ï»¿http://linuxtv.org/v4lwiki (for analog)

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cesman:

hobbynutte: can you dcc me one?!

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hobbynutte:

cesman: sorry , what ?

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toad0225:

I wonder if my capture device is going to even work...that is why I am testing on my laptop first...it's a skywalker

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toad0225:

dvb-s

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cesman:

hobbynutte: a beer

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cesman:

hobbynutte: can you send me one?!

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hobbynutte:

lol *g*

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StupidAmerican:

toad0225: in the digital wiki i pointed you, is a list of supported devices. ... .not exactly easy to navigate, but feel free to give feedback to linux-dvb mailing list

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StupidAmerican:

he left because he didnt want to listen to a StupidAmerican

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iamlindoro:

I know your secret identity ;)

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cesman:

lol

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

everybody knows that mkrufky is the StupidAmerican

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StupidAmerican:

bah!

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mkrufky:

XPertKnobTwiddlr: did you try the driver?

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

no

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

what driver?

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mkrufky:

i msg'd you a few days ago in #linuxtv

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mkrufky:

what good is a cloak if says who you are?

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

mkrufky: i see now. i'll try it. thanks!

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mkrufky:

you wont have a problem... unless you forgot firmware or something

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

k

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iamlindoro:

Isn't that skywalker thing DVB-S2?

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iamlindoro:

followup question, does anyone think he doesn't intend to YARRRRRRRR himself some DishNet?

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

mkrufky: it works!

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

both digital and analog!

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mkrufky:

;-)

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mkrufky:

"yar" is a codeword?

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iamlindoro:

Yar, Avast, what have ya

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** mkrufky "have ya" no idear **

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mkrufky:

i am dvb-s dummy

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hobbynutte:

dvb-s2 is really yarrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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mkrufky:

no clue about it

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hobbynutte:

but 1 already yumyum

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hobbynutte:

=)

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mkrufky:

eyah, totally above my head

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mkrufky:

i'll go read wikipedia or something

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: I meant he's a US guy trying to use a DVB-S2 device w/ Myth... signs point to piracy

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mkrufky:

is that so?

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iamlindoro:

ergo Avast, Yarr, peglegs, parrots, etc.

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hobbynutte:

no dvb.s in us ? O_o

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hobbynutte:

still analog ?

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** hobbynutte wonders **

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: Not saying it's a certainty, just a liklihood based on previous experience here

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mkrufky:

dvb-s isn't kosher to use here?

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mkrufky:

er, s2 i mean?

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hobbynutte:

kosher ?

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iamlindoro:

hobbynutte: There's DVB-S in the US, in the form of Dishnet, which can't be used with DVB-S cards, and a small amount of random FTA stuff

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hobbynutte:

aaaah ok, not like astra i guess

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mkrufky:

hobbynutte: forgive my slang

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marl:

hey folks, just to let you know that installing the latest linux-radion drivers fixed my playback problems :)

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hobbynutte:

no prob iamlindoro, i am serving ya with bad "gemran"english=)

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iamlindoro:

hobbynutte: No doubt about it, the DVB-S situation in the EU is much much better

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marl:

and thank you for your help :)

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mkrufky:

hobbynutte: i use words the way i want to use them, even though i know i'm wrong. the best part is, those that were intended to understand the word always understand it. that's one of those "inside jokes" where only 1 guy laughs ....

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mkrufky:

i dont care though, because i am highly entertained by it

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mkrufky:

stick around... you'll see me say more nonsensical things that people understand anyway

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mkrufky:

(like just now)

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: Anyway, what I was getting at was that legal DVB-S use in the US is probably about as common as Usenet for non-piracy purposes, in my experiences here :)

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** hobbynutte drinks another to try to understand what mkrufky is trying to say **

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mkrufky:

good idea!

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hobbynutte:

another beer

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hobbynutte:

iamlindoro: aaah now i understand

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro ... so then, there really isnt any sense in me learning about dvb-s .....?

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: Well, if you want to watch Al-Jazeera, maybe

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mkrufky:

(unless i was learning it because it was my job, or something)

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hobbynutte:

on astra with about 600 fta channels

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hobbynutte:

dvb-s is useful hehe

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mkrufky:

ok then

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iamlindoro:

The stuff that's actual FTA in the US is randommmmmmmmm

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mkrufky:

hmm

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hobbynutte:

iamlindoro: so more cable users then in US ?

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stoth:

dish cams are known to work in the US. DVB-S has all sorts of potential for people who don't mind breaking rules.

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hobbynutte:

or do you have dvb-t ?

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iamlindoro:

Which is why when people come in here and say, "Oh, I want to use it for FTA," I'm thinking, what, he wants to watch Mexican Wrestling, or the birdwatching channel?

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iamlindoro:

hobbynutte: We have out own standard, regrettably

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iamlindoro:

s/rules/laws/

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hobbynutte:

hey mexican wrestling and al jazeera are cool =)

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mkrufky:

ooh birdwatching channel... hot...

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kormoc:

mkrufky, just watch the blue footed boobies

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** mkrufky googles it **

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hobbynutte:

yay with some psycodelic drugs maybe the birds rock

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mkrufky:

i dont get it

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mkrufky:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-footed_Booby

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jduggan:

it should be illegal to still be in work @ 1.40am

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mkrufky:

then go home, jd

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jduggan:

mkrufky: cant

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jduggan:

server down

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jduggan:

rebuilding :\

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mkrufky:

:-( im sorry to hear that

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jduggan:

as am i =]

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darkfrog:

hey guys, I'm contemplating getting a new RF remote for my Mythbox and was curious if there are any that don't require LIRC to operate?

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darkfrog:

I have an ATI Remote Wonder II USB RF remote, but going through lirc it loses significant reliability.

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marl:

ok, now to tv listings :), myth has told me to run the tv_grab_uk_rt program from command line, which i have done to configure it, to populate the program names, do i just have to run 'tv_grab_uk_rt' once a night or so? or do i need to specify an outfile name for myth?

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jduggan:

marl: you run mythfilldatabase

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jduggan:

marl: you can get myth to do it

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marl:

ah thanks, do i stil need to run it with the --manual option?

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jduggan:

dont believe so – not once it's configured

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darkfrog:

On my PVR-250 I have coax and s-video connectors...which is better for signal quality?

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iamlindoro_:

s-video

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fufldufl:

hi. weird problem with a mythbuntu setup that has been working fine for a few months. problem cropped up upon addition of a ralink wifi card (rt61pci module)

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fufldufl:

with the wifi card in, live TV doesn't work

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darkfrog:

iamlindoro, why/

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fufldufl:

take the card out, and live TV starts working again

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fufldufl:

really strange

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fufldufl:

any ideas?

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iamlindoro_:

because S-video carries luminance, chrominance, and grounds on entirely different wires, decreasing interference

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fufldufl:

i can't figure out how addition of a pci wifi card could affect something like the live TV functionality

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darkfrog:

iamlindoro, but I'm getting the signal over coax in the first place...?

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darkfrog:

iamlindoro, I mean, it comes from the wall to my cable box via coax, so does it really lose anything?

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iamlindoro_:

darkfrog: If you are coming out of the set top box, S-video is superior. If you are coming out of the wall, might as well use coax, but you'll only get analog channels, of course, not your ones above 125

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fufldufl:

weird problem with a mythbuntu setup that has been working fine for a few months. problem cropped up upon addition of a ralink wifi card (rt61pci module)

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iamlindoro_:

fufldufl: Do *NOT* repeat yourself

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iamlindoro_:

especially two effing minutes later

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fufldufl:

k. what if no one answers?

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darkfrog:

iamlindoro, I'm coming off set top, but it seems strange that S-Video would gain anything...

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fufldufl:

do i just leave and figure the problem can't be solved?

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iamlindoro_:

fufldufl: No, you wait a good long time (ie 30 minutes or more) before repeating yourself.

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fufldufl:

hmm. lemme try that, then

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iamlindoro_:

darkfrog: The coax into your box and the coax out of it are entirely different, the only things they share are the same type of wire

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iamlindoro_:

The coax into, then out of your STB is *not* a passthrough

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fufldufl:

so, at 8:45:53 it will be ok to repeat myself?

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iamlindoro_:

S-video is a far superior cable. Once your box is done with it, it is the best analog source of signal aside from component

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fufldufl:

or do i have to state it differently next time?

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iamlindoro_:

fufldufl: Use some common sense. Did 2 minutes seem reasonable?

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fufldufl:

yeah

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iamlindoro_:

Then you will not be popular here

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hads:

Hint: It's not.

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fufldufl:

someone might have gotten up and gone to the bathroom and missed my question

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iamlindoro_:

That's why god made scrollbars

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fufldufl:

i'm not really interested in popularity

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iamlindoro_:

Then you're not interested in getting an answer, either

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fufldufl:

huh?

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fufldufl:

i gotta wanna be popular in order to get an answer?

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iamlindoro_:

You can come in, show patience and courtesy, and you will probably ultimately get some help. repeating yourself bi-minutely and arguing with those of us who sit in here giving help is not the way to get said help.

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fufldufl:

that's contrary to my experience opf using linux and getting help over the last 5 or 6 years, then

[01:24:53]

fufldufl:

arguing?

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nevyn:

/ignore fufldufl

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fufldufl:

because i'm asking for clarification i'm arguing?

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darkfrog:

iamlindoro, because it's digital coming in and analog going back out?

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fufldufl:

i have nothing at all against following protocol

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fufldufl:

but i can't follow protocol if i don't know what it is

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fufldufl:

and how do i find out what it is without asking?

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iamlindoro_:

darkfrog: more or less.

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fufldufl:

i mean, all you have to do is say whether i should refrain from repeating myself verbatin in a half hour

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fufldufl:

that's all i asked

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darkfrog:

iamlindoro, thanks

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iamlindoro_:

darkfrog: no problem. If you make a few captures from each, you should be able to tell the difference with little trouble

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darkfrog:

iamlindoro, how about the pcHDTV 5500 card? Does S-Video support HDTV?

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iamlindoro_:

darkfrog: Nope, the S-video is an analog, SD framegrabber

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darkfrog:

iamlindoro, yeah, I was thinking of trying that, but rather than get behind my machine I figured I'd stand on the wisdom of others. ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Current methods of capturing US HDTV are all via coaxial connection... that will change in the nearish future w/ the Hauppauge HD-PVR, which will allow component capture of HD

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darkfrog:

iamlindoro, but it shows a TV antenna 75 ohm reception port and an S-Video?

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darkfrog:

Is the HD-PVR out yet?

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iamlindoro_:

darkfrog: It *does* have an s-video port, but that's for SD capture only, and that side of the card is just a cheapy framegrabber

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iamlindoro_:

and no, not yet

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nevyn:

iamlindoro_: that's kinda awesome.

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iamlindoro_:

nevyn: Yep, going to be a very cool device. Have one on order

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darkfrog:

iamlindoro, so perhaps I should wait? ;)

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darkfrog:

iamlindoro, where can I pre-order?

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nevyn:

how much latency does the video path through myth introduce.

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iamlindoro_:

darkfrog: Just depends-- you want to capture via your HD cable box? If so, might be worth a wait, because then you can capture *everything*

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iamlindoro_:

hauppauge.com

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nevyn:

I'm thinking about game consoles and Component in

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hads:

nevyn: Far too much I would say.

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nevyn:

so then I can make recordings reroute the wii in the lounge to a pc

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nevyn:

bah

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darkfrog:

iamlindoro, I've currently got a PVR-250 and was interested in moving to HD, but I'm patient. ;)

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hads:

nevyn: It seems to vary a lot but I would count on at least a second or two.

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nevyn:

hads: I sorta thought that might be the case.

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iamlindoro_:

nevyn: That'll be possible, but you'll want to view/play off the component passthrough to avoid the delay. Trying to view from the PC in realtime will be too much of a lag

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nevyn:

iamlindoro_: that'd still allow recording which would be kinda neat.

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iamlindoro_:

Still, though, if you want to record your play it should work nicely

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darkfrog:

iamlindoro, it doesn't show it as being back-ordered or anything...?

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iamlindoro_:

yup

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iamlindoro_:

darkfrog: It's all pre-order

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iamlindoro_:

note the "shipments will begin May 1" on the main site

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nevyn:

I have got to set up the commandIR

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nevyn:

3 remotes is 2 too many

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darkfrog:

$250 though...hmmm

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darkfrog:

is the quality much different with component versus coax?

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nevyn:

darkfrog: depends on the display device

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iamlindoro_:

darkfrog: There will be a tiny bit of quality loss, but the device uses the best available codecs and generous bitrates so it's really inconsequential. Better, of course, to get it via QAM when you can, but since most channels are encrypted all to hell, this is the next best option

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darkfrog:

nevyn, 1080p 56" HD tv. :)

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nevyn:

darkfrog: it'll definitly make a difference ;)

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nevyn:

hangon.

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iamlindoro_:

The samples I have seen look stellar and look great, even on my 1080p Projector at 106"

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nevyn:

what do you mean by coax?

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nevyn:

you know what would be kinda cool.

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darkfrog:

nevyn, cable

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, off to find dinner

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darkfrog:

iamlindoro, thanks for your assistance

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nevyn:

a output device that encoded a DVB-T hdef stream

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iamlindoro_:

Don't let duffel bag repeat himself early

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nevyn:

darkfrog: do you mean Composite? or coax direct from the antenna to your tv?

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darkfrog:

sorry, gotta run

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darkfrog:

thanks guys. :)

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fufldufl:

hi. weird problem with a mythbuntu setup that has been working fine for a few months. problem cropped up upon addition of a ralink wifi card (rt61pci module)

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fufldufl:

with the wifi card in, live TV doesn't work

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fufldufl:

take out the wifi card and live TV starts working again

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fufldufl:

anyone have any idea what might be going on here or, better yet, any idea how to fix it?

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fufldufl:

i.e., make it so that I can watch live TV with the wifi card present in the machine?

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PatrickDK:

fufldufl, fix your motherboard :)

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Eemak:

hello friends

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Eemak:

for some reason, my mythtv recordings play fine in gmplayer, but in mythfrontend there is the occasional skip with video, but no output in debug

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JohnMahowald:

Hey nifty mytharchive now labels archived DVDs with show title

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Eemak:

it does?

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cesman:

Eemak: look in the MythTV logs

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Eemak:

cesman: nothing there:(

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Eemak:

that';s why i am confused

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cesman:

dmesg isn't the MythTV log

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Eemak:

didnt say dmesg

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Eemak:

i noticed in the new myth it's difficult to turn off xvmc, etc

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cesman:

Eemak: perhaps increasing the verbose level...

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Eemak:

i thought perhaps turning off that might make a difference?

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cesman:

Eemak: my apologies

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Eemak:

i know gmplayer uses gl2 and alsa, and it plays the recordings fine

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Eemak:

cesman: i tried mythfrontend from a terminal and it has no output when the skips occur

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Eemak:

err pauses

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cesman:

if you are using MythTV 0.21, perhaps tinking w/ the profile(s)

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Eemak:

yes, i was confused about what to do with that, as inoticed it's no longer just changing whether to use xvmc, libmpeg2, etc

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Dagmar:

You *absolutely* want XvMC if you can use it.

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fufldufl:

PatrickDK: fix my motherboard how?

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fufldufl:

is this a joke?

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fufldufl:

meaning maybe something like: sounds like an irresolvable problem?

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Eemak:

Dagmar: that's what i thought, but i didn't know what else to try

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Eemak:

it seems that it started with the upgrade to .21 or some recent myth upgrade

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Aval0n:

just keep in mind

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Aval0n:

unless you are using an older nvidia card

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Eemak:

i am using an nvidia geforce

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Aval0n:

if you use xvmc, you are going to have a very unsighlty greyscale OSD

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Aval0n:

there's hundreds of geforce cards

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Eemak:

OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 7300 GS/PCI/SSE2

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Aval0n:

ahh

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Aval0n:

that's the card I have with HDMI

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Aval0n:

greyscale OSD for you with xvmc

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Eemak:

what should i do

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Eemak:

?

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Aval0n:

<Shrug>

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Aval0n:

what cpu do you have and what are you trying to play?

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Eemak:

just record tv shows

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Aval0n:

analog?

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Aval0n:

ATSC?

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Eemak:

intel core duo

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Eemak:

yes

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Eemak:

analog cable

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Aval0n:

psssh

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Aval0n:

you don't need no stinking xvmc

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Aval0n:

xvblit for you

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Eemak:

i dont even know how to disable it in the new .21

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Aval0n:

it's not active by default

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Aval0n:

xvblit is I belive

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Eemak:

i mean, i had it enabled in .20 before upgrading

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Aval0n:

under playback profiles...

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Eemak:

i see playback and playback osd

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Eemak:

recording profiles?

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Aval0n:

it should say playback profiles

[03:15:52]

Aval0n:

no

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Eemak:

and playback groups

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Aval0n:

yeha

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Aval0n:

it may be under

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Eemak:

it only has default

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Aval0n:

tv settings general

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Aval0n:

I can't remember tonight....

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Eemak:

it moved in .21 it seems

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Aval0n:

try under tv settings and playback

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Aval0n:

3 or 4 screens in

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Aval0n:

playback profiles

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Eemak:

yes, i see it

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Eemak:

i was here once before

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Eemak:

if rez<= etc

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Aval0n:

you have to edit the profile you want

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Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

hit edit

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Eemak:

current video playback profile is cpu+

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Aval0n:

that's it

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Aval0n:

under edit you see the renderes

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Eemak:

what do i do?

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Eemak:

the first is if rez ... 720 576

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Eemak:

the second is 1280 720

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Aval0n:

well

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Aval0n:

it would have something other than that

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Eemak:

the third is 1280 728 > 720 576

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Aval0n:

<=

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Eemak:

sorry

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Eemak:

first is 720 576 > 00 ffmpeg and xvid

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Eemak:

second is 1280 720 720 576 xvmc

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Aval0n:

you truncaated the beginning I belive

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Eemak:

third is 1280 720 720 576 libmpeg2

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Eemak:

the rest are 0 0

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Aval0n:

include all the < > stuff

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Aval0n:

and =

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Eemak:

ok

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Aval0n:

give me the top one

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Aval0n:

exactly as you see it

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Eemak:

hold on

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Aval0n:

k

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Eemak:

ill make screen shot

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Aval0n:

should take long to just type it

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Eemak:

already made it

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Aval0n:

hopefully you already have set your analog res to 720x480

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Eemak:

here

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Eemak:

http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=foomn0.jpg

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Aval0n:

ok

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Aval0n:

so if you read it

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Aval0n:

the first one says

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Eemak:

i have two 19 inch FP Monitors, i think both are at 1280x720

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Eemak:

or 1280x1024

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Aval0n:

if the resolution is less than or equal to "<=" and it's greater than 0 "& > 0"

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Aval0n:

that doesn't matter

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Aval0n:

this is your video resolution size

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Eemak:

ok

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Aval0n:

you can run your monitor at 1920x1080... the analog video is still 480i scaled

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Aval0n:

so the top one is what you are interested in

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Aval0n:

for analog

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Aval0n:

so select edit to the right of it

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Aval0n:

you should see rendering options

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Aval0n:

and try bilinear or kernal for your deinterlacing method

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Aval0n:

errr not bilinear... it's called linear blend

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Eemak:

decoder is standard

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Eemak:

should i chanage max cpus to 2?

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Aval0n:

renderer

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Eemak:

not opengl?

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Aval0n:

I wouldn't for analog

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Aval0n:

psssh

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Eemak:

it was on xv-blit

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Aval0n:

you can try opengl

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Aval0n:

but ehh

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Aval0n:

good luck ;)

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Aval0n:

xvblit is what you want probably

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Eemak:

oh, the decoder wasnt on xvmc

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Eemak:

it was on "standard"

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Aval0n:

you'll see xvmc is also an option there

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Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

leave it standard

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Eemak:

what should i put it on?

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Eemak:

not xvmc?

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Aval0n:

no

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Aval0n:

unless you want and ugly greyscale OSD

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Eemak:

and leave video renderer on xv-blit?

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Aval0n:

you're cpu is MORE than powerful enough to handle analog

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Aval0n:

yes

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Eemak:

but that's the same settings everything was already on

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Aval0n:

ok....

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Aval0n:

were you having issues?

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Eemak:

uh, yeah;)

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Eemak:

with mythtv, i get the occasional pause in video playback

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Aval0n:

ok spill ur guts

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Eemak:

nothing in output about it, and if i play the same recording with gmplayer it plays fine

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Aval0n:

=/

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Aval0n:

how much ram>?

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Eemak:

2gb

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Aval0n:

uhm

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Aval0n:

something is whacked then

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Eemak:

i know

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Eemak:

:O

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Aval0n:

I had a p4 3.4ghz HT

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Aval0n:

with 1gb

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Aval0n:

analog NEVER had an issue

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Eemak:

i know, i didn't use to haved this problem

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Aval0n:

what does your backend logs say?

[03:27:32]

Eemak:

i play the same .mpg recording with gmplayer with gl2 and alsa drivers, and it plays fine

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Aval0n:

make sure

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Aval0n:

under tv settings and general

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Aval0n:

on the first page

[03:28:00]

Aval0n:

you don't use any opengl stuff

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Eemak:

i had opengl in use for mythfrontend

[03:28:15]

Eemak:

but i turned it off and the problem persisted

[03:28:16]

Aval0n:

don't use the one where it talks about using video for timebase

[03:28:29]

Aval0n:

USE the one that talks about the audio fix

[03:28:47]

Eemak:

i turned off the time base one

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Aval0n:

just now?

[03:28:56]

Eemak:

no, a few days ago

[03:29:03]

Aval0n:

don't use the opengl partr

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fufldufl:

hi. weird problem with a mythbuntu setup that has been working fine for a few months. problem cropped up upon addition of a ralink wifi card (rt61pci module)

[03:29:06]

Aval0n:

part*

[03:29:18]

Eemak:

i meant i was also using the opengl paint engine

[03:29:18]

Aval0n:

fufldufl: try #mythbuntu

[03:29:26]

Aval0n:

bad

[03:29:28]

Aval0n:

use qt3

[03:29:29]

Aval0n:

:)

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fufldufl:

Aval0n: ok, thanks

[03:29:43]

Eemak:

does it make a difference during tv playback?

[03:29:59]

Aval0n:

technically it shouldn't but uhm

[03:30:04]

Aval0n:

i've seen stranger

[03:30:55]

Aval0n:

sorry man

[03:30:57]

Aval0n:

I gotta go

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Aval0n:

good luck

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Eemak:

cya

[03:31:06]

Aval0n:

did you compile mythtv yourself?

[03:31:11]

Eemak:

no, fedora packages

[03:31:15]

Aval0n:

hmm

[03:31:20]

Aval0n:

21-fixes?

[03:31:33]

Eemak:

?

[03:31:38]

Aval0n:

nvm

[03:31:45]

Aval0n:

sorry man

[03:31:49]

Aval0n:

not sure what to tell ya

[03:31:54]

Eemak:

mythtv-0.21–185.fc8

[03:31:57]

Aval0n:

you may want to remove all that stuff

[03:32:02]

Aval0n:

and compile from source

[03:32:15]

Eemak:

i dunno about that

[03:32:26]

Eemak:

the problem was introduced with .21, i think, so it seems some setting was changed or needs to be changed

[03:32:38]

Aval0n:

./configure --enable-proc-opt --enable-dvb --enable-xvmc --enable-opengl-vsync --enable-opengl-video --prefix=/usr

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Aval0n:

is what I use

[03:32:51]

Aval0n:

I would use the 21-fixes branch

[03:32:57]

Aval0n:

if I were you

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Eemak:

k

[03:33:02]

Eemak:

thanks

[03:33:15]

Aval0n:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/

[03:33:23]

Aval0n:

you have subversion installed?

[03:33:31]

Aval0n:

you may want to google installing mythtv svn

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Aval0n:

I gotta go

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Aval0n:

peace

[03:33:38]

Eemak:

k, cya

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fufldufl:

no takers there, either

[03:40:07]

fufldufl:

i mean, i don't expect a miracle solution or anything--though it'd be nice

[03:40:16]

fufldufl:

but even just some ideas of what to check

[03:40:21]

fufldufl:

i'm at a loss

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fufldufl:

maybe i oughta try and get the nytimes to run a front page story on this, that could get me some help

[03:46:28]

fufldufl:

you know, a headline something like "addition of wifi card to unsuspecting mythtv user's system brings popular open source multimedia system to its knees"

[03:46:39]

fufldufl:

now that would attract some attention

[03:47:44]

clever:

it could be as simple as a conflict between the drivers or irq's

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clever:

which are out of mythtv's reach

[03:48:02]

clever:

test that the recorder still works outside of myth

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fufldufl:

i tried bringing down the interface and unloading the module

[03:48:30]

fufldufl:

didn't make any difference

[03:48:48]

fufldufl:

you'd think it would if there were some module conflict

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clever:

does the card work outside of myth?

[03:49:09]

clever:

loading the module once may have 'fried' the card until you reboot

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fufldufl:

you mean like if i put it in another system?

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clever:

which unloading wont fix

[03:49:19]

clever:

i mean use a program other then mythtv

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clever:

to record/view tv

[03:49:29]

clever:

such as mplayer or xawtv

[03:49:37]

fufldufl:

well, i didn't try that

[03:49:43]

clever:

or simply cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/file.mpg

[03:49:46]

clever:

and play it

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fufldufl:

so, see if it will record TV with that wifi card in there?

[03:50:09]

clever:

yes

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clever:

without using mythtv itself

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fufldufl:

well, that's something to try

[03:50:35]

fufldufl:

that copuld help further troubleshoot

[03:50:50]

fufldufl:

guess i'll try that out tomorrow

[03:51:03]

clever:

also

[03:51:15]

clever:

the wifi driver could be damaging the mode the tv card is in

[03:51:21]

clever:

which wont get fixed until you remove power

[03:51:30]

clever:

so unloading may not 'undo' everything

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fufldufl:

hmmm. guess i don't understand what you mean by "mode"

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clever:

blacklisting the wifi driver to stop it from loading would help to confirm that

[03:51:55]

clever:

the card is keeping track of many things

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fufldufl:

good idea. i read something about blacklisting

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clever:

which are all reset when you turn the power off

[03:52:14]

clever:

the wifi driver may confuse it to the point where it stops working

[03:52:24]

clever:

unloading wont work because its allready confused

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zonyl:

I switched my vid card recently from nvidia to ati 9250 and mythtv renders really slow. I seem to recall hearing about this issue once or twice in the list but cannot find anything relevant anymore. Anyone have any ideas as to why the myth menus are slow

[03:52:47]

fufldufl:

i've got 2 capture cards in there too, one of which i didn't manage to get working. that could be having an effect too, i suppose

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clever:

test each card outside of mythtv

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clever:

to make shure its not mythtv's fault

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fufldufl:

ok

[03:53:28]

fufldufl:

great. thanks for the tips

[03:53:41]

fufldufl:

at least now i've got some further testing i can do

[03:54:11]

fufldufl:

i think i should start with removing the non-working card

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clever:

or fixing it:P

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fufldufl:

next, i'll try blacklisting the wifi module(s)

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clever:

fully shuting down and removing power between each test may also help

[03:55:06]

clever:

incase the card is confused

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clever:

dont want it to remember being confused across reboots

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fufldufl:

ok. i stopped warm rebooting since I noticed some problems didn't go away unless i did a cold reboot

[03:55:52]

zonyl:

Either QT or OpenGL options render the menus really slow (several seconds to draw the next menu)

[03:56:14]

Dagmar:

If you're using OpenGL, that's on purpose.

[03:56:20]

Dagmar:

It's supposed to be *fading* in and out between menus

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fufldufl:

thanks for the tips. gotta run now. maybe you'll see me later asking more about this

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fufldufl:

g'night

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zonyl:

Dagmar: The fading actually moves pretty quickly, however, there are "pauses" of several seconds where it is not doing anything that is the odd part. The older nvidia card didnt have these pauses.

[03:59:07]

zonyl:

When I go into the "My videos" screen it takes a good 5 secs to render and about 1 sec on every arrow press.

[03:59:38]

iamlindoro_:

First and foremost, why in the world did you switch an nvidia OUT for an ATI card??

[04:00:22]

zonyl:

iamlindoro: Wanted to dual head and the old nvidia was analog out.

[04:00:57]

Chutt:

you're missing RENDER accel (alpha blending, basically) in the x driver.

[04:00:57]

iamlindoro_:

zonyl: Guess you missed the ATI readme where they told you MythTV is unsupported w/ their cards, huh?

[04:01:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Ok, my backend is working well... ;-) — The only thing to fix is lcdproc so my LCD will work properly... ;-)

[04:01:46]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: Nice. Must be a relief to have it (mostly) fixed

[04:02:30]

zonyl:

iamlindoro: I thought that was regarding their fglrx driver. Im using radeon

[04:03:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_ Yep! ;-) So I figure I'll get the LCD setup, then move my other 3 500GB drives to my raid5... Do I have to do 1 drive at a time, or can I do something like "mdadm -add /dev/md0 /dev/sde1 /dev/sdf1 /dev/sdg1"?

[04:03:34]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: Should be fine to add all three at once, but haven't done so myself

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zonyl:

So Im game to ditch the ati.. Anyone recommend an econo nvidia card that is dual headed and supported by mythtv?

[04:04:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Cool, thanks. ;-) PS: It got up to 78 out here today...

[04:04:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

zonyl: Virtually any Nvidia... I use 6200's in two of my systems at the moment...

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zonyl:

Jeffa: Sounds good. Does it support the svideo as well?

[04:06:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

zonyl: Yes, it has svideo output, but I don't use it. (I've been using computer monitors as TVs [with mythtv] for 2+ years now...)

[04:07:44]

zonyl:

I have a CATV VDS system, so I need to modulate. I have a vga->composite convertor, but would be nice to get rid of it as well. Thanks for the recommendation, just on newegg ordering it now.

[04:09:03]

zonyl:

As long as Im ordering, anyone have 1080p HDMI working from Mythtv? I see a lot of chatter about some cards not supporting it under X correctly.

[04:09:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

zonyl: Yeah, I just bought another one from Micro Center – $30 after a rebate...

[04:09:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

zonyl: (actually, $25 after rebate...;-) )

[04:10:28]

zonyl:

Wow! That is a good deal.

[04:10:56]

zonyl:

Oh.. forgot I only have AGP in this machine :(

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zonyl:

http://www.provantage.com/evga-128-a8-n292-lx~7EVGA05F.htm $30 not too bad

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J-e-f-f-A:

zonyl: www.microcenter.com – sku 493916 – ECS GeForce 6600 LE 256MB DDR2 AGP Graphics Card – $39.99 ...

[04:13:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

^^^ or that one... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

zonyl: Should perform exactly the same as far as Myth is concerned... ;-)

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zonyl:

Well its on order, thanks again for the ref. I thought ATI was all open about their hardware now etc.. I guess it hasnt helped support yet.

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J-e-f-f-A:

zonyl: NP. ;-)

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Eemak:

does this mean anything in backend log?

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Eemak:

2008-04–22 23:36:12.019 ERROR when trying to delete file: /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/home/1205_20070827194737.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed.

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Eemak:

do i need to change that setting somewhere?

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cesman:

Eemak: means it cannot find the file you are attempting to delete

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cesman:

Eemak: if the filesystem where you store your files are over the network, perhaps checking to see if it is mounted?

[04:56:08]

Eemak:

it's local file system

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Eemak:

cesman: i am just so confused here, i am watching mythbackend log and log from mythfrontend, and there's nothing during the video pauses

[04:56:26]

Eemak:

it does it for livetv and regular tv

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Eemak:

just every 15 seconds or so there is a slight video pause

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J-e-f-f-A:

Eemak: Out of curiosity — is it a wired or wireless network?

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Eemak:

client and server is same machine

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Eemak:

(i have two monitors)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Eemak: How fast is your system, and is it SD, or HD, or ?

[04:59:30]

Eemak:

intel core duo 2ghz or so

[04:59:41]

Eemak:

J-e-f-f-A: it's not a hardware thing, if i use gmplayer recordings, etc play fine

[04:59:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

Eemak: Ok, is this a new problem then?

[05:00:17]

Eemak:

it seems since .21 or so

[05:00:30]

Eemak:

like, i can record a show and if i play it back with mythtv, it does that occasional skip

[05:00:35]

Eemak:

if i play the same file with gmplayer, it plays fine

[05:02:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

Eemak: Humm.. not sure then – must be something in the logs though... either the frontend log, or the backend log, or both...

[05:02:44]

Eemak:

looked in both when it happens, nothing

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J-e-f-f-A:

Eemak: Are you running 0.21, or 0.21-fixes?

[05:04:29]

Eemak:

mythtv-0.21–185.fc8

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cesman:

Eemak: did you check/update your profile?

[05:07:07]

Eemak:

it was on ffmpeg, it seems

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Eemak:

i changed it to xvmc but it makes no difference:(

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J-e-f-f-A:

Eemak: Not sure if I can help much more then (not that I've been any help anyways...) – I'm not sure what version that equates to, as my 'mythfrontend -version' displays "MythTV Version: 17087" "MythTV Branch: branches/release-0-21-fixes" — perhaps there's a fix for it in 0.21-fixes?

[05:08:19]

Eemak:

MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-21-fixes

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Eemak:

Library API : 0.21.20080304–1

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J-e-f-f-A:

Eemak: Ok, so it is 0.21-fixes... I dunno, man... I don't have any issues with the same version of myth on an AMD 64 X2 4800+ ...

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cesman:

Eemak: what video adapter do you have?

[05:11:14]

Eemak:

what's so confusing is that it works fine with gmplayer

[05:11:33]

Eemak:

direct rendering: Yes

[05:11:33]

Eemak:

OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 7300 GS/PCI/SSE2

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twinkiman:

question: Has anybody ever gotten live365.com to work with mythstream?

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: ok, here goes nothing... Added the other 3 500GB drives... and it's goign to take 7400 mins to re-shape... ;-)

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: it's official, there was a story on my wii news channel about how cumcast compresses the crap out of hd

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J-e-f-f-A:

CCFL_Man2: Yeah, I saw a web page about that – somebody posted it here – with pictures and all, compared to FiOS HD...

[05:37:16]

CCFL_Man2:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, how fios hd is not recompressed

[05:37:27]

CCFL_Man2:

cherry pickers ftl

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J-e-f-f-A:

CCFL_Man2: Yeah... Well, I've got FiOS internet, but don't have HD — It would only be useful to me with the HD encoder box from Hauppauge... I'm just doing ATSC OTA now.. I get all the locals in HD.

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CCFL_Man2:

discovery hd on cumcast is 10mbit, on fios ut's 14mbit

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CCFL_Man2:

J-e-f-f-A: bitch to them to enable firewire

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** J-e-f-f-A just did the math, and 7400 mins is a little more than 5 days!!!! Yikes! **

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J-e-f-f-A:

CCFL_Man2: Yeah, but if the box had firewire, I'm sure it would be 5C encrypted, so it wouldn't do me any good....

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CCFL_Man2:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, sucks

[05:41:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

CCFL_Man2: And it's my understanding that they don't fall under the FCC ruling as they're 'technically' not a cable provider – it's delivered to the home with fiber, not cable...

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J-e-f-f-A:

CCFL_Man2: (The FCC ruling explicity applies to "Cable TV" from what I understand – that's why Satellite and FiOS aren't affected by it...) Bummer for me...

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CCFL_Man2:

yeah, it sucks

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cesman:

that does suck

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CCFL_Man2:

best to try to build your own mini cable headend

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J-e-f-f-A:

But some day somebody will be able to 'decode' the 5C encryption I'm sure...

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** J-e-f-f-A thinks (oops, did I just say that out-loud?) **

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cesman:

yes, you did

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CCFL_Man2:

00pz, i farted again

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J-e-f-f-A:

There is a company online that can add a firewire output port to some receivers — but it costs like $500 or so... That would do the trick I think, but that's way higher than I want to pay...

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CCFL_Man2:

J-e-f-f-A: for satellite, yes

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J-e-f-f-A:

http://www.nextcomwireless.com — most of them are $550 – some cheaper, most higher...

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CCFL_Man2:

yeah

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CCFL_Man2:

really pricy

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J-e-f-f-A:

CCFL_Man2: Not to mention you have to own the receiver first....

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CCFL_Man2:

yeah

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CCFL_Man2:

you can get a dtc-100 receiver pretty cheap

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J-e-f-f-A:

CCFL_Man2: DirectTV though... I'm a Dish Network kinda guy... ;-)

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CCFL_Man2:

i'msure you know how to get a transport stream from that :P

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J-e-f-f-A:

CCFL_Man2: From Dish? Well, I had the next-best thing – with my now 'antique' DishPlayer 7200, I had a removable drive cage in it, with a 120GB drive, and could record ~100 hrs on it. I could then power off the sat receiver and remove the drive and rip the programs to a PC with a windows program called 'dishrip'... But haven't done that since converting to mythtv...

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J-e-f-f-A:

CCFL_Man2: (PS: Disn network 'native' SD is 544x480 at about 1GB/hr – with pretty incredible quality... Same quality at 544x480 on a PVR card requires about 3GB/hr...)

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J-e-f-f-A:

CCFL_Man2: IE: Dish Receiver -> S-Video -> PVR-500 -> Mpeg2

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CCFL_Man2:

oh yes

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phedny:

olds: thanks, all channels are working again :)

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wayneandleanne:

has anybody got anyideas why apache give a error (access forbidden) when trying to access mythweb

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nevyn:

wayneandleanne: maybe because apache doesn't have permissions to read the mythweb files?

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Nik_Doof:

oh joy

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Nik_Doof:

how can i clear down the program data? can i just empty the program table or is there a command i can run?

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MilkBoy:

Nik_Doof: might exists some "correct" way, but I'd just empty the table =)

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MilkBoy:

damn typos

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Nik_Doof:

argh *smack radiotimes website*

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Nik_Doof:

random error 500s

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justinh:

a few more minor victories in the battle against first & second person references in the wiki. phew

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justinh:

mythfilldatabase --refresh-all not worky?

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Merlin83b:

Hmm, to build from scratch or use something like mythbuntu...

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justinh:

hmm to remove my own toenails with rusty pliers..

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gbee:

how good/bad are MSI boards these days?

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Merlin83b:

gbee: I'm hoping good, since one arrived this moerning!

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gbee:

heh

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Merlin83b:

Heh, not sure which side that falls on, justinh!

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: Upgrade time ?

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gbee:

my parents backend died last night and I've been meaning to supply a better machine for a long time, the last one was meant to be temporary using old parts

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GreyFoxx:

It got so bad for me not being able to decide what I wanted to buy for an upgrade I just sent a friend of mine a list of "must have"' stuff and am letting him buy it :)

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GreyFoxx:

otherwise I'll mess around for a month

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gbee:

but they don't want to spend too much, so I'm cobbling together reasonable, but cheap components

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justinh:

Merlin83b: my own frontend is using a customibigised mythbuntu

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Merlin83b:

And if it's good enough for you... ;)

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Merlin83b:

My plan goes something like; build new box with shiny new mythtv (I'm like a year behind or so), move over recordings and old db, next startup of BE will upgrade the DB and preserve recordings.

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: I'd set my heart on building two Asus Pundit-R based backend/frontends, one for me and one for the parents but getting hold of the right model in the right colour was difficult, especially since they kept changing the models (wanted one with nvidia on-board, s-video out, on-board wifi etc)

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justinh:

still running dapper on my backend IIRC

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justinh:

worky fine :)

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justinh:

it's so old now I can't even remember what's on it!

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gbee:

chosen a suitable case, brushed aluminium (£40), PSU (£13), probably the MSI matx board (£30) ... cards/drives from their old backend and that's as far as I've got so far

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GreyFoxx:

For now my upgrade only needs a new mb, ram, and cpu for my main frontend

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** Merlin83b downloads mythbuntu 8.04 RC **

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gbee:

would be nice to bring the whole thing together for under £100, but we'll see

[13:20:37]

Merlin83b:

Mine ran to £130, delivery included.

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Merlin83b:

case/mobo/cpu/ram

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justinh:

gonna buy another C2D board & CPU eventually

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gbee:

Merlin83b: not too bad

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jduggan:

just look for bundle deals =]

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Merlin83b:

gbee: And that was with an Antec NSK2480

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gbee:

been a while since I bought new parts and I'm not sure whether I want to go Core2 or AMD 2x (I was a big AMD fan for a while)

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Merlin83b:

I've gone AMD based on almost no research into the matter :)

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jduggan:

amd are sucking right now

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gbee:

Merlin83b: yeah, guess the prices have dropped a bit since I last went shopping for core components

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jduggan:

Merlin83b: how did you get that case for so cheap

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Merlin83b:

jduggan: Er, I went to ebuyer.co.uk

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GreyFoxx:

I'm sticking to AMD for the time being, mostly cause I'm cheap and all the intell stuff is currently more money :)

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Merlin83b:

Same here, GreyFoxx :)

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jduggan:

Merlin83b: hum

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justinh:

well chuffed with my c2d mobile 1.83 for just over Â£100 with 1GB ram

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jduggan:

Merlin83b: how much?

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Merlin83b:

jduggan: £56 iirc

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GreyFoxx:

I'm thinking I might merge my slave backend into my master. Main reason I have 2 boxes is for drive space

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gbee:

jduggan: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/130945

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Merlin83b:

Yep, that's the fella that arrived this morning.

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jduggan:

hmm they changed their site

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jduggan:

and that's pretty cheap for that style case

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justinh:

heheh these all in one boxes. what a funny idea

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gbee:

I was looking at the NSK2480 but I wanted something with accessible SD slots on the front (mythgallery) – so I went with this unknown and seemingly cheap one – http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135498

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gbee:

not quite the styling I really wanted, but it's not as ugly as the silverstone ones IMHO

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justinh:

there still don't seem to be any cheapish good sized boxes that don't have ports spoiling the look of the front panel

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jduggan:

gbee: how do you find that cheap case?

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justinh:

my LC02 does great apart from a) the price and b) the fecking airflow (or lack of)

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gbee:

justinh: yeah, hence why I wanted a Pundit-R, because the ports on the front are hidden by a fold down panel

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.gctglobal.com/index.html Justinh this place hsa a bunch :)

[13:27:53]

GreyFoxx:

but many are via chipsets using the chrom stuff

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GreyFoxx:

others use sigma decoders

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gbee:

jduggan: stumbled across it while searching the usual suspects (ebuyer, dabs, scan, overclockers etc)

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justinh:

never gonna go with via again. they suck

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jduggan:

gbee: i didnt mean how did you "find" it.. rather, what do you think of it :)

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gbee:

jduggan: sorry, mis-read – I'll let you know when it arrives ;)

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jduggan:

gbee: any heat issues? how's the case finish, bit tacky?

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jduggan:

aha

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jduggan:

ok

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jduggan:

well it looks a nice case for the cost

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jduggan:

im thinking of getting one heh

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jduggan:

but i need PSU i guess

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gbee:

yeah and at that price, if it doesn't work out then I won't feel too bad about changing it in a few months

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justinh:

still thinking of building a case myself

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justinh:

prolly cost about Â£150 but it'll be exactly what I want

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gbee:

apparently the supplied fans aren't great, but decent fans don't cost much

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jduggan:

by the time you put in a decent fanless PSU ur lookin at the price of the antec

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gbee:

I'm going with the £13 MATX psu from ebuyer, again it's so cheap that if it doesn't work out I can get something else later – I'm just trying to get this backend up and running again as fast as possible

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jduggan:

wait, youre putting a backend in that case?

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gbee:

yup

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jduggan:

or is it combo?

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jduggan:

frontend to?

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gbee:

combo

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jduggan:

ah

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jduggan:

ok makes sense

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gbee:

not enough room for a seperate backend, unless you count the understairs closet and I don't want to run a bunch of cabling all around the house

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GreyFoxx:

top – 10:44:01 up 726 days, 4:47, 3 users, load average: 25.95, 26.23, 23.08

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GreyFoxx:

Now thats a busy machine heh

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gbee:

X2 3600 should be enough for BBC H.264?

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justinh:

no idea. my c2d can play it allreet though

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gbee:

wierd, X2 4000 costs more than the X4200

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gbee:

X2 4200

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jarle_:

GreyFoxx: load average: 25.95 looks like the machine is a bit underpowered for the tasks you feed it! :)

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GreyFoxx:

jarle_: It's a strange spike in users all grabbing their mail at once

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GreyFoxx:

loads dropped to 9 already and going down

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GreyFoxx:

but for like 5 minutes it was hurtin :)

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justinh:

bloody hell – 145 days uptime – funnily enough since I removed the pvr150 card

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jarle_:

so... is trunk getting fairly stable now after moving to Qt 4?

[13:51:07]

GreyFoxx:

for me it's just minor things now

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justinh:

mythbrowser's off the menu for now

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't lost any recordings for had any crashes in a while though

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jarle_:

justinh: it's not working?

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justinh:

won't/can't. not that I ever cared about it

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GreyFoxx:

infact since moving to broadcast instead of p2p for my firewire stuff I haven't lost a single firewire recording

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gbee:

jarle_: depends on how you define stable :) It's not crashed on me lately but some of the lesser used functionality may still not work

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GreyFoxx:

preview window on watch recordings doesn't work for me anymore

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GreyFoxx:

doesn't seem to even attempt to play

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justinh:

wouldn't mourn that either :)

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gbee:

mythbrowser has been deleted – future version will be written from scratch using webkit and QT 4.4 (probably after 0.22)

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gbee:

static previews work

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Merlin83b:

I'm planning on getting an RF keyb/mouse and using the new machine as a web/mail client too.

[13:55:54]

Merlin83b:

New TV has VGA input and is lvoely and sharp :)

[13:56:04]

gbee:

couple of plugins are running at reduced functionality as they are mid-way through the move to mythui

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jarle_:

Guess I'll go for -fixes then when I update my pre-0.21 trunk install

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twinkiman:

question: Has anybody ever gotten live365.com to work with mythstream?

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justinh:

has anybody ever got mythstream working full stop?!

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gbee:

Merlin83b: that's the bit I nearly overlooked, the board I was looking at had onboard nvidia and I assumed that meant it would have component/svideo out – it doesn't, so back to the drawing board

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GreyFoxx:

Wonder how long till we see themes using the new reflection stuff

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justinh:

don't look at me

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Merlin83b:

gbee: Yeah, mine just does VGA, but fortunately so does my telly :)

[13:57:49]

gbee:

ideally, cost dependant, I'd like one with both HDMI/DVI and svideo

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justinh:

wonder how long til we see themes from new people which aren't rip-offs of mediaportal skins ;)

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: that's the real shame of it, I think it's only fair that I should be the first to use it, but I'm two busy with mythui to work on themeing ;)

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justinh:

not holding my breath here

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: hehe

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justinh:

I might get my dev box up & running with trunk but I am NOT gonna try to maintain two versions of the same theme at once again

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gbee:

I predict that effects such as reflections will be over-used in some themes :(

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gbee:

s/two/too/

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justinh:

alphapulse isn't ;)

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justinh:

so far only a couple of really tacky looking themes have been seen out in the wild and as far as I know both are dead

[14:01:15]

justinh:

gbee: so long as it involves a little work I don't think there's much to worry about

[14:01:33]

gbee:

heh, I love how Intel have called their 4 core processors Core 2 Quad, that will be 8 cores then?

[14:01:54]

justinh:

naw core 2 is just the 2nd gen of their core CPU

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justinh:

core2 == single core. core2 duo == dual core.. etc AFAIK

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gbee:

oh yeah

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gbee:

forgot that for some reason ..

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gbee:

justinh: what cpu did you go with?

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justinh:

core 2 duo mobile 1.83

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justinh:

T5600 IIRC

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gbee:

hmm, that settles it then – AMD for me

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justinh:

bought 2nd hand for the first time – worked out really well

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gbee:

justinh: yeah, if I could be bothered I'd be looking at second hand kit but I'm hoping to have my order in by the end of the day and don't want to sit on the ebay site for two or three hours hoping to snipe a bargin with immediate delivery

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Merlin83b:

lol

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gbee:

cheapest Intel dual core I can get is £10 more than the AMD one and 1.6Ghz vs 2Ghz

[14:08:58]

gbee:

for the same price I can get a 2.2Ghz AMD 2x if I wanted

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gbee:

doesn't have to be a great CPU, it just has to do it's job

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justinh:

no way I could've afforded the frontend new

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gbee:

looks like the hard part is going to be getting a low cost AM2 motherboard with Nvidia and TV-out

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gbee:

plenty offering nvidia on-board, they just have DSUB out when I'd rather have DVI+SVid :(

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justinh:

that's where my onboard intel came up trumps

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justinh:

VGA + DVI +svideo :)

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justinh:

looks better than my old nvidia tvout does too

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justinh:

and that's saying something

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gbee:

hmm, maybe I should look at intel chipset boards then

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XLV:

justdave, core duo was dual core also, it was just previous gen with no emt64, SSE4, VT etc

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gbee:

what are the ati drivers like these days? they were supposed to be getting better?

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XLV:

gbee, there are a number of nvidia igp with hdmi ( and they have hdmi audio also )

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justinh:

XLV: when did I mention core duo? only waffled about core 2 :)

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gbee:

XLV: need something with svid and hdmi, though I'd settle for a cheap svid board right now and upgrade later, but I can't even find that

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XLV:

justdave, yeah.. well, initially core 2 duo arch came as dual core... the single core are called core 2 solo

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XLV:

or celeron

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justinh:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AOPEN-Micro-ATX-i945GMm . . . 2.m153.l1262 :)

[14:36:18]

gbee:

none of the nvidia based boards seem to offer tv out anymore (though they should all be capable)

[14:37:20]

justinh:

are you looking for TV out or the svideo socket?

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gbee:

justinh: thanks

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justinh:

I've seen cards on sale where you get TV out via a dongle

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justinh:

think they put analogue outs on redundant DVI pins

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gbee:

justinh: well tv-out, whether component or svideo – optional is fine, but only finding ATi ones

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justinh:

ahh then again when it's onboard there's very limited room

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gbee:

could be that the descriptions on ebuyer etc are lacking and that the boards I've already looked at do offer optional svid

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gbee:

found an ATi board that did

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justinh:

wouldn't be taken aback if the descriptions were just poo tbh

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gbee:

I'll check the descriptions on the manufacturers website

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Akegata:

every now and then when I go into the video browser, mythfrontend rescans all of the folders it has access to, which takes like 3–4 minutes, during which nothing else happens. Is there some way to disable this, so it only ever reads the folder I'm actually looking at?

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justinh:

how many gazillions of files do you have?

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Akegata:

good question :P

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gbee:

makes me laugh that there isn't room for svid-out but there is for a serial port? Does anyone need a serial port these days? (Lirc doesn't count)

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justinh:

lirc doesn't count if you have pin headers ;)

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Akegata:

18529 files apparently

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justinh:

jeebus

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GreyFoxx:

Akegata: Do you actually havce that many or is your mythvideo pointed to tyhe root filesystem of your entire box instead of just where the videos are ?!?

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Akegata:

it's pointed to the video folder on my file server

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GreyFoxx:

I have ~3200 videos in my videos section and it takes maybe 2 seconds to go into video list (reading right from the drive)

[14:48:27]

Akegata:

so it's not misconfigured (in that way at least)

[14:48:34]

Akegata:

well, yeah, that's the thing

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Akegata:

this only happens sometimes

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Akegata:

usually, it takes like 5–10 secs to get into the video browser

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justinh:

that is one hell of a lot of videos though

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Akegata:

well, a lot of them are split into smaller files..

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justinh:

a one-man moving picture gutenberg project

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GreyFoxx:

My video count has started to grow as my wife has begun recording music videos and then chopping them into individual songs heh

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justinh:

lemme guess.. about 700MB in size each.. :P

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GreyFoxx:

aket: unrar the things into single files ;)

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Akegata:

well I could do that, but it'd take forever :P

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: what's she using to do the splitting up-aging?

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: some app she has on her new windows based laptop

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justinh:

ah

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Akegata:

if would be easier to just be able to disable whatever it is that decides to scan everything every now and then, if that's possible

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't really looked at it

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justinh:

videoredo or somesuch trash prolly

[14:51:31]

GreyFoxx:

Akegata: you can tell mythfrontend to not browse the filesystem and only use what is in the database

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justinh:

enhancing cutlist support for such a thing is somewhere on my list still

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GreyFoxx:

but then if you add smething new you need to run videomanager before myth will see it

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Akegata:

yeah, that'd be pretty bad..

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justinh:

would anybody besides me find a recording splitter-upper useful?

[14:52:24]

Akegata:

why does it scan through the whole thing whenever it feels like it, is it updating the database?

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justinh:

nope

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Akegata:

shouldn't I be able to just not use the database? :P

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: now that she has a growing collection of music videos she wants me to add a "play entire directory" mode :)

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Akegata:

so what's up then?

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justinh:

just use XBMC instead (tm)

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Akegata:

I'm considering moving to XBMC..but I've got mythtv nicely configured in every other aspect :/

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GreyFoxx:

Akegata: Mythfrontend only scans videos If you go into one of the browsers/.list/gallery AND have it configured to browse the filesyste,m

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GreyFoxx:

It doesn't background scan them

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: may aswell do more mythfrontend integration then ;)

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GreyFoxx:

mythbackend as of 0.21 will

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GreyFoxx:

and that's not disablable

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Akegata:

ok, strange..I wonder what's going on then..

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Akegata:

background scanning would be fine though, since I could still do stuff while it scans, which I can't now :P

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GreyFoxx:

unless you are running trunk from last week when I added the option to disable the backend scan :)

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justinh:

thing is, virtually any dumb file browser is gonna take a little time to list/sort files present in a dir

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Akegata:

well yeah

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justinh:

and if you think mythvideo is slow, try mediaportal. oh man

[14:56:14]

Akegata:

but like I said, it doesn't happen every time

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justinh:

are these files remote by any chance?

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Akegata:

yeah, they're nfs mounted

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justinh:

times between machines well synced all the time?

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justinh:

just a long shot but maybe myth thinks its list of files is out of date or something

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GreyFoxx:

my nfs mounted pulling of 3200 takes no more than 2 seconds max, so I would expect you shouldn'ttake more than 30 at most

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justinh:

maybe your mount options need a wee tweak too..

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Akegata:

hmm, the mythtv machine isn't running ntp apparently..

[14:58:16]

justinh:

always a good idea for a pvr box to have ntp :P

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Akegata:

always a good idea for any machine :P

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Akegata:

well, I'll try getting them in sync and maybe looking at the mount options..always annoying with problems that only show themselves whenever they feel like it

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Akegata:

thanks for the suggestions :)

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justinh:

that was me the other week with the timestretchy problem I had

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justinh:

playback started fine but would mess up the frame rate after pausing or skipping

[15:02:36]

justinh:

I'm still thinking about hacking a 'tv is ALWAYS interlaced' into the player

[15:02:55]

justinh:

recordings from channel five still confuse it

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gbee:

heh, ok so the first board I looked at supports optional TV-out apparently, but I'd like to find some clarification that it comes with whatever dongles/addons are required first ...

[15:12:47]

justinh:

hmm just had a mobile phone in a jiffy bag brought over to me at work. Should I be worried?

[15:13:04]

Merlin83b:

You should be exicted.

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gbee:

it's shouldn't be this hard, I should be able to chose the features I want on some site and it will list all boards

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Merlin83b:

Surely that's the start of an awesome adventure!

[15:13:34]

Merlin83b:

gbee: That would be great. Search within kind of does it on most sites, but you should get coding.

[15:13:40]

gbee:

somehow I don't quite picture justinh as Neo ... but then again?

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justinh:

gbee: yeah like being able to select # of pci slots etc.. that's be ***USEFUL***

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justinh:

and then.. which pill do I take? the red one & wake up into my real life or the blue pill & keep my wife awake all night. badoom-tish

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gbee:

:)

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justinh:

naw it's the nokia I buyed off of fleabay. works & everyfink

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gbee:

think I need to found out what the state of ATi drivers and tv-out is like

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, I know that last months updates to the open souce drivers finally added Xv support, but otherwise I think they're mostly unchanged

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iamlindoro__:

source

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mkrufky:

they ask me at work, "mike, why are you smiling so big"

[15:17:02]

mkrufky:

i answer, "because my linux driver got merged, and you guys still cant figure out the windows driver"

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iamlindoro__:

Think that TV out works pretty ok too AFAIK... so better than before but from what I understand still nowhere near Nvidia or Intel

[15:17:12]

** mkrufky knows he is such a dork **

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, haha

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iamlindoro__:

Well *we* understand

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mkrufky:

HVR1900 & HVR1950 fully supported

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mkrufky:

--> kernel 2.6.26 and / or v4l-dvb from linuxtv.org

[15:18:10]

mkrufky:

also .... (competitor device) i also got onair creator and sasem hdtv usb fully supported and merged today as well

[15:18:25]

mkrufky:

(mcisely deserves a large portion of the credit, of course)

[15:19:00]

mkrufky:

ok, in all reality ... the windows driver works now, too ....

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justinh:

mkrufky: use it, need reboot.. use it.. need reboot? yay windows drivers go!

[15:20:28]

mkrufky:

which device driver does that to you, justinh?

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justinh:

ATI's driver for the AIW pro 'worked'. Like once

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justinh:

;)

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mkrufky:

i never said windows drivers rock — windows totally blows

[15:20:54]

mkrufky:

oh, lol

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justinh:

mkrufky: my leadtek dvb-t tuner worked for about 5 mins too

[15:21:29]

justinh:

linux is the only OS I've seen any tuner reliability with

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mkrufky:

i wanted to buy one of those in college. im glad i didnt. silly me thought it was a good idea to have tv capture on the same board as the graphics board

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gbee:

apparently the proprietary driver supports tv-out with the X1200 – guess I just need to know if there are known issues or whether it's pretty stable

[15:21:52]

gbee:

this is just too damn hard

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justinh:

gbee: if worst comes to worst though – simply inject a Â£30 Nvidia card?

[15:22:53]

justinh:

that was gonna be my plan B for that intel board

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gbee:

worst case, yeah but I'd rather have slots free if possible

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justinh:

for all those pci-e Tv tuner cards? heh

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gbee:

I'm going to be forced to leave a DVB-T tuner out already, because of a lack of PCI slots on matx boards

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justinh:

how many does/did it have originally?

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gbee:

2x DVB-T and 1x PVR-150

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gbee:

one is enough until I get them a nova-t 500

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gbee:

doesn't leave room for the planned dvb-s though, but I'll figure that out when we get there

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justinh:

what's needed there is a 5 tuner hybrid card

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gbee:

heh, yeah ;)

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justinh:

all 5 doing dvb-t, dvb-s and/or analogue

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ajh:

The pci-e -> pci box does well enough cheaply enough though.

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justinh:

lol

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ajh:

$45/slot isn't bad.

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** justinh pictures a m-atx case attached to a 9 foot high rack full of tuner cards via ribbon cable **

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justinh:

.. under gbee's parents' TV

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ajh:

Given a single eepro is about $50 and a 2-port is $250... going more doesn't bode well for cost.

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ajh:

it's a DVI-D cable actually from the look of it.

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justinh:

nah now that pci-e tuners are coming of age in linux things'll improve no end

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justinh:

no need to go to extreme measures, one day

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gbee:

maybe I'll persuade them to drop Sky and then I can replace the PVR-150 with 1xDVB-S(2) for BBC HD ...

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justinh:

multirec has effectively wiped out the need for one of my tuners

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ajh:

the problem is even with pci-e you run out of slots, using eSATA with a port multiplier helps though, saves the need for another controller.

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ajh:

need to see if any of the internal ports support port multipliers, not like we're pushing 3gbs. :)

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ajh:

and with 500G drives at $89, being able to put 5 per motherboard port would be nice.

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justinh:

recent controller chipsets _should_ be PM aware though

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ajh:

I'm hoping they are, on my macpro I just stuck a two port eSata card in from Addonics.

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justinh:

heh 5x the amount of unwatched shows I currently have. yay!

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ajh:

it's the HD stuff. :)

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justinh:

'HD'.. 18mbits/sec mpeg2

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justinh:

tops

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ajh:

not if it's off Bluray.

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justinh:

our SDTV is up to a third of that bitrate

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iamlindoro__:

Then it's 40 Mbits tops, which is still teensy

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ajh:

though if we get transcoding working properly, no need to store 1080p.

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ajh:

yeah, though I also want to get my server/backup storage onto the same box. :)

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ajh:

still, 2.3G per hour-long show is a fair bit of space.

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justinh:

2.3G? serious?

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ajh:

been trying converting to mpeg4 but been getting some odd results.

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ajh:

yeah, that's raw dvb

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ajh:

some shows convert fine but it didn't save any space, BBC World News ends up playing back at 2x realtime. :)

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GreyFoxx:

Most of my DVB average 1.9, but 2.3 is what I get off my PVR cards

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GreyFoxx:

I don't bother with transcoding much

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GreyFoxx:

except for some shows I keep and then I use nuvexport

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ajh:

but, that's just poking at things halfheardedly, I'll figure something better out later. I want to make the shows accessible remotely so converting to native res for the remote devices etc.

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gbee:

so, the board has an optional tv-out connector – any ideas what it connects to and where I can get the adaptor?

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GreyFoxx:

I want a handhelp video player that doesn't require transcoding to specific resolutions and such

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ajh:

but since upgrading both front and backend to ubuntu 8.04 then replacing the broken ubuntu kernels with mainline, it's been stable.

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GreyFoxx:

well at least for sdtv content

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justinh:

5114061352 2008-04–19 20:06 /video/videorec/1000_20080419181400.mpg – Dr Who from last Saturday – UK PAL SDTV – duration 01:51:57.8

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, The N800 has mplayer and is all linux FWIW

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ajh:

Well, for me it's because I do expeditions, and satellite bandwidth is bloody expensive.

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justinh:

2.5GB/hr !

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Yeah but as far as I know, and I hope I'm wrong, you have to transcode to a specific resolution

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GreyFoxx:

I just wanna drag and drop sdtv content onto it and go

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ajh:

So a lot will either end up going on DVD's for the vehicle player resolution and mailed to drops, or downloaded at ipod resolution.

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ajh:

grey, not if it's linux, you just use mplayer :)

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GreyFoxx:

I don't mind it all having to be mpeg2/mpeg4 and I don't mind no hdtv, I just dopn'twanna spend time converting it

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, Hrm, I'd have to get back to you, but you an just apt-get mplayer on it and I can't see why mplayer would argue about it... but I guess I can bring it home from work and test for you

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ajh:

not the most efficient for sure, you want it to be as cpu-friendly as possible on a mobile device.

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GreyFoxx:

ajh: They have a hardware decoder onboard I believe

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GreyFoxx:

and from all I've read it must be a specific input to work

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ajh:

Would make sense, and worth converting then.

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Cyberai:

avidemux is a nice app that allows you transcode to preset ipod resolutions etc and the gui is pretty nice

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GreyFoxx:

but if for the most part I could just drag and rop the n800 (well 810 for the keyboard;) ) would do

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ajh:

now if that could get a mythwrapper with itunes as a storage group. :)

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ajh:

well, songbird I guess woudl make more sense. :)

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ajh:

Though would be nice to see other people's itunes libraries if available, know of a meta-fs for that?

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Cyberai:

so has anyone heard any recent news about the hauppage HDPVR? Last I heard they had a May target release date.

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ajh:

Suppose I could harass the libferris guy into doing one.

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iamlindoro__:

Web site still says May 1 as the ship date, and pre-orders have been open for a few weeks

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Cyberai:

ajh, I think rythmbox can do that. Maybe you can port the lib over?

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Cyberai:

tghanks iamlindro

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ajh:

itunesFS

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ajh:

looking into it more, hope it does rw/

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ajh:

http://www.mulle-kybernetik.com/software/iTunesFS/

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ajh:

If I can't get it to build on linux, just re-exporting via nfs should work.

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ajh:

One thing I've noticed since the upgrade though is occassional pops and clicks.

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ajh:

Should probably pull the firebox/bryston/b&w stuff up to the TV and see if it's the crap on-board stuff.

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Cyberai:

iamlindro – last I heard they said they would have a linux driver. Has anyone had the opportunity to beta-test? Do we know if will be sort-f plug-n-play with myth?

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iamlindoro__:

Cyberai, I think it's save to assume that it will work with myth in relatively short order, but there will doubtless be a wait. First we need v4l drivers, then someone needs to add support to myth. A short wait is realistic after release, I should think.

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iamlindoro__:

er safe

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ajh:

Unless Alan decides he needs one working, mail him one :)

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ajh:

I think he'll end up visiting me before I get to Swansea next, any idea how much they're going to be?

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iamlindoro__:

Are you asking about the HD-PVR? They are already for sale, $250 USD

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ajh:

OK, I'll ask him if he feels like whipping up a driver, will it work with UK signal ok?

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ajh:

I need to give him a call on a couple other issues, so might as well.

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justinh:

ajh: Sky are crippling the component output from their boxes now

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iamlindoro__:

It's component in. region-agnostic. Anyway, I think the v4l guys probably already have it worked out who will work on it. No need to "find" someone to do it.

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** justinh laughs very loudly **

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ajh:

well given he wrote the v4l framework. :)

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ajh:

yeah, ok read the page on it, makes sense it should be pretty simple.

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justinh:

I repeat.. Sky are disabling analogue HD output on their boxes. AWWWWWWWWWWWW :D

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Cyberai:

well good, it sounds like everyone is lined up and ready to get it going. So I would expect something to appear around July possibly.

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ajh:

Looks nice for just video to pc actually.

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Cyberai:

ajh, can you rig your box to prevent firmware updates? I've done that before to stop my cableco from cci bit blocking channels

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ajh:

13.5Mbps mpeg4 would be almost studio quality.

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justinh:

ajh: for recording game consoles? yuck

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ajh:

no, recording video for production work.

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Cyberai:

fortunately, as I understand it, the cable/sat co's in the USA can't turn off analog for 5 or 6 years due to some FCC reg. I could be wrong on that though.

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justinh:

ROFL. you any idea what bitrates are used in production?

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ajh:

25Mbit/dvcam-pro

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justinh:

read a BBC guideline doc a while ago

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iamlindoro__:

Cyberai, That's an entirely different analog, having nothing to do with component outs

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Cyberai:

aaah

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ajh:

but if you're a remote, you can get away with a whole lot less, look how bad the satphone stuff is.

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justinh:

that's like saying youtube is broadcast quality because they sometimes put clips on telly

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Cyberai:

lol

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Cyberai:

telly, I love that word

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ajh:

it's more if you want live feed, vs record to dvcam, transcode, edit, upload.

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justinh:

mental

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justinh:

better get used to it though – the 'quality' of everything digital rotting away to shit & folks put up with it

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ajh:

all about cost and time to market.

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justinh:

and folks putting up with shite

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justinh:

look at Sky HD

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justinh:

look at DVB-T

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justinh:

DAB, too

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iamlindoro__:

And $AnythingInAmerica

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justinh:

granted Sky HD might look gash but.. in the USA.. jeebus

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justinh:

had a long hard laugh at the screengrabs from Comcast's over-quantised feeds

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Cyberai:

I dunno, My TimeWarner HD looks pretty good. I run at 1080p and the 1080i looks fine

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Cyberai:

never done any real in-depth examination of screen grabs though

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justinh:

there've been some pretty damning screengrabs going around

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justinh:

on the good ones you can still see artifacts a little but the bad ones are BAD

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iamlindoro__:

TWC is doing the same three-packing, they just have far fewer customers so there's less brouhaha

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justinh:

and then again y'all lived with NTSC for like 100 years

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iamlindoro__:

it's all fun and games until someone/anyone/anything moves. At all.

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justinh:

so ANYTHING is a big improvement on that :)

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justinh:

I miss analogue PAL TV sometimes.

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justinh:

only artifacts that had were when people wore clothes with stupid details :P

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justinh:

an' it wasn't pixels either – just voltage levels w.r.t time

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Nik_Doof:

bbc weathermen accounted for 90% of the incidents

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justinh:

lol Nik

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justinh:

strobing ties ftw!

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jarle_:

besides password protecting mythweb, is there additional ways to make it harder for intruders to get into mythweb if I do want to have it available over the internet?

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justinh:

depends what you mean by 'available'

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justinh:

fwd it over ssh :)

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CCFL_Man2:

cumcast puts 3 hd channels onto one analog channels

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CCFL_Man2:

what a farking fail

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justinh:

so? you can get up to about 38Mbits/sec in the space of one analogue channel

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CCFL_Man2:

i want one channel per transport stream

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justinh:

granted, maybe if their 12mbit/sec 'HD' was h.264 not mpeg2 ... :D

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jarle_:

justinh: fwd over ssh would maybe make it a bit harder to use on a internet cafe...

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justinh:

putty portable ftw!

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CCFL_Man2:

justinh: it's mpeg2

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iamlindoro__:

CCFL_Man2, Pfft, forget it. Even the source material isn't over 19 Mbits, the rest would all be wasted

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justinh:

CCFL_Man2: duh I know. I said maybe if it wasn't crappy OLD mpeg2 :)

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: apparently discovery is 14mbits from their uplink

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justinh:

14mbit mpeg2? OMG!

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CCFL_Man2:

justinh: hehe

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justinh:

14mbit h.264 could be tolerated at 1920x1080i maybe

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justinh:

not mpeg2 though, shirley

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justinh:

max bitrate of DVD is only 9 or so

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justinh:

or is HD just the single biggest con of the century so far? ;)

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CCFL_Man2:

it's cheaper for cumcast to have their cherry pickers recompress the shit out of the signal than to go all digital

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iamlindoro__:

CCFL_Man2, They are federally *mandated* to support analog for four more years

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iamlindoro__:

Going all digital isn't an option for them

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: even if they provide boxes for free?

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iamlindoro__:

yup

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justinh:

somebody has to pay for the boxes

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CCFL_Man2:

evil

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justinh:

the customers!

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justinh:

not shareholders!

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CCFL_Man2:

justinh: exactly

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: wonder how many channels are left

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iamlindoro__:

In analog? Depends on the area. 82 here.

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iamlindoro__:

So 40ish left over

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: they do have limited room to provide shittons of channels

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justinh:

omg that was funny. 2 cleaners walked into the lab, not seeing me hidden behind a monitor.. started talking about what they did last night (filthy lasses make no mistake). Suddenly realised I was here. Oops!

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iamlindoro__:

Yup. Freeing up analog *will* improve things, but they'll be running SDV looooong before that happens

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justinh:

dirty scouse birds

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justinh:

they love it

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iamlindoro__:

and MPEG-4, likely

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justinh:

iamlindoro__: but.. but.. they'll be able to cram way more channels in!

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justinh:

MOAR CHANNLZ !

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iamlindoro__:

yayyyyyy

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justinh:

== MOAR MONIZ !

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iamlindoro__:

justinh, wouldn't surprise me in the least if it ended up 4-per w/ MPEG-4 at some point

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justinh:

wouldn't be so bad

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justinh:

def. better than 12mbits/sec mpeg2 for sure

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justinh:

and if they pre-treat the streams before encoding.. better still

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iamlindoro__:

Yup... I think the best one can legally do for all of your channels + best picture quality in the US + MythTV will probably be Verizon FIOS (best bitrates/pic quality) and an HD-PVR

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iamlindoro__:

Too bad no FIOS in my city yet

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gbee:

ok, think I've finally settled on the new system, couldn't keep it at £100, totals to £131 inc delivery – http://pastebin.ca/994691

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gbee:

wasted the entire afternoon researching that lot

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro, It's in my city... ;-)

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justinh:

well, time to F.O.

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro__: btw – not sure if you scanned the group last-night, but I added the 3 500's to my raid5... it's going to take another 5700 mins to finish reshaping... ;-)

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iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A, Heh, I know the feeling, did a rebuild when I added a drive last week

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iamlindoro__:

Had about that wait too

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro__ Lots of pretty blinking lights on the front of my monster system... (Two x5 hot-swap bays, 6 of the drives blinking away happily...) ;-)

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jarle_:

J-e-f-f-A: this is my mythbox: "[========>............] reshape = 42.0% (205449856/488183040) finish=3860.6min speed=1219K/sec"

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Merlin83b:

gbee: Very similar to what I got :)

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Merlin83b:

I'd have had the Antec case for 3 quid extra though :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

jarle_, Oops, that's for iamlindoro__

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gbee:

Merlin83b: like the look of this one better

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J-e-f-f-A:

jarle_, cool... here's mine... [=>...................] reshape = 9.3% (45679872/488383744) finish=6634.5min speed=1109K/sec

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iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A, Definitely a nervous feeling as it reshapes

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Merlin83b:

gbee: quickcode?

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jarle_:

J-e-f-f-A: this is my root system so I had to boot into a livecd... to add the disk to the raid, which in turn means that I'm without mythtv until reshaping is finished :(

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro__ Do I have to wait until the reshape is done to use the new space?

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gbee:

135498

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iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A, No, you can use it on the fly

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gbee:

has memory card reader w/slots on the front (which was one of my requirements), drive is integrated etc

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Merlin83b:

Ah fair enough.

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro__ Humm... ;-) Need to google how to tell the OS to expand the fs... I'm using JFS, I hope I didn't shoot myself in the foot there...

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jarle_:

iamlindoro__: But you would need to grow the fs first to be able to use the additional space I think?

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iamlindoro__:

jarle_, Yes, you would, but you can use the FS perfectly fine while the reshape occurs

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gbee:

main thing is that it's all silver, which matches the TV and other components

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gbee:

Antec case is only silver on the front

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iamlindoro__:

afterwards, he'll need to grow the file system, during which it can't be used, but during the reshape it's fine

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Merlin83b:

gbee: Yep, all true :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

gbee, They make this paint that comes in cans... ;-)

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gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: heh

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Merlin83b:

Heh

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jarle_:

iamlindoro__: yeah, but the new available space will not be available for usage until the reshape is finished and you have grown the fs if I understand everything correct.. (The is my first time growing a fs)

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gbee:

looking at the spec and price I might treat myself to a similar system

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jarle_:

iamlindoro__: but you will ofcourse be able to use the old space while it is reshaping in the background..

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gbee:

isn't like I've been able to lay my hands on an Eee, so I may as well spend the money on something else

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iamlindoro__:

jarle_, You know what, I went back and reread, I misread the first time-- J-e-f-f-A, he's correct, you can use the existing space, but not the new space until you grow the FS after the reshape

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gbee:

or I could buy food and clothes ... tough one

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro__: Ok, cool. No problem... ;-) Thanks to both of you..;-)

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iamlindoro__:

Originally read the question as whether you could use the existing space while the reshape occurred, my bad

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jarle_:

iamlindoro__: I tried growing the fs while it was reshaping and I just got the same old size, so I was just assuming I had to let it finish reshaping before growing the fs would work.

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iamlindoro__:

jarle_, yep, you'll need to wait for the reshape to end

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro__ for JFS, I just have to issue the command "mount -o remount,resize /mnt/point" when it's done...

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CCFL_Man2:

i did get an atsc demod with asi output today

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CCFL_Man2:

$75 total

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Christoph_vW:

does something like different access rights exists for mythtv frontends? like higher priorities for special clients?

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Christoph_vW:

(i.e. for channel switching)

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iamlindoro__:

No, all clients have equal rights to the backend resources

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Christoph_vW:

damn

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Christoph_vW:

I would like to set up a tv server in a network with 80 computers

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Christoph_vW:

but I still want to be able to watch the channels I want to watch – but the server should be for public use

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Christoph_vW:

are there any plans to release a preview of the windows version?

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Christoph_vW:

I would like to have a look at it – but I don't have the time to build it myself atm

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iamlindoro__:

Nope, you still need to compile your own

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Christoph_vW:

a debug version with gdb symbols would be nice...

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justinh:

who has the space to host 500MB binaries anywa?

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justinh:

*anyway?

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iamlindoro__:

Yoohoo and Googo

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justinh:

sourceforge! that'll put people off

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justinh:

.. downloaded 1 of 501.2MB at 2.03KB/sec

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Christoph_vW:

500MB?

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Christoph_vW:

for the frontend as win32 debug executable? or what`?

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GreyFoxx:

someone recently put out a mythtv installer exe which was like 67meg in nsize. No idea if it had debug symbols, themes, plugins or what

[18:41:54]

GreyFoxx:

looks like it does have the plugins at least

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GreyFoxx:

and some themes

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Christoph_vW:

looks like eol-style is missing for \mythtv\libs\libmythtv

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Christoph_vW:

at least for openglcontext.cpp

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GreyFoxx:

well it launches in a vm at least

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GreyFoxx:

once you put in mysql.txt

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psofa:

i want to remove my tuner because i need the pci slot.If i just remove the tuner from the mythtv-setup the input source/(net fetched)tv guide stay ,right?

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keith4:

how is mythfrontend on win32, anyway?

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GreyFoxx:

I ran it for about 10 seconds and didn't bother trying video playback :)

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mkrufky:

we will see the smoke monstor tomorrow

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GreyFoxx:

It would likely be quite crashy :)

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mkrufky:

im sorry, that was meant for a different channel

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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justinh:

67MB is very small in size IIRC. a channel regular built mythtv & he said the binaries ended up at a whopping size

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GreyFoxx:

I would imagine it was compiled, I didn't pay too much attention :)

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justinh:

maybe that was with everything included – like mythbrowser – that'd bloat it a lot I imagine

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justinh:

it's way more than a whole mythfrontend distro like minimyth that much was certain

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Christoph_vW:

has anyone here built and tried the windows frontend already?

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justinh:

somebody has but they're not here right now

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justinh:

nor would they be willing to distribute the final binaries

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keith4:

whynot?

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justinh:

something about a whole world of hell when people complain about it

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GreyFoxx:

Christoph_vW: I did it once using a while back using the distributed script for automating the build

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keith4:

i'd like to keep the girlfriend the hell off my linux box... if i could give her myth frontend for windows....

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GreyFoxx:

started it in a vm, came back a a day later

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Christoph_vW:

I won't complain :) I just don't have the time to build them myself

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justinh:

not much _real_ time involved in building them yourself. just get everything together & let it go

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Christoph_vW:

the next problem is: I am still waiting to get my mainboard back

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Christoph_vW:

I sent it in for RMA on 1st of feb :/

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justinh:

maybe a solution would be to use the XBMC windows port & its native mythtv playback

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justinh:

or any of the windows mythtv players

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justinh:

those don't look hot but they seem to work ok

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justinh:

besides, isn't it less hassle in the long run to let a SO loose on a linux box than a windows one? ;)

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Christoph_vW:

I have four Linux servers in this net and about 80 windows clients...

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GreyFoxx:

personally If I was gonna let a windows user access the stuff I would just share out the recordings with samba set to read only

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GreyFoxx:

and use mythrename.pl to give them human readable names

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justinh:

yeah with a cron on mythrename.pl --link :)

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GreyFoxx:

or a userjob called when the recording finishes

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justinh:

even better

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Chutt:

upnp

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justinh:

I wish I was smart

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GreyFoxx:

Upnp would be preferrable, but there is a real lack of good windows(or linux) sioftware upnp clients

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GreyFoxx:

WMP sucks rocks

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GreyFoxx:

nero is ok, best I've tried

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justinh:

there's Nero CrashCenter

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GreyFoxx:

the rest are all so so

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Chutt:

GreyFoxx, works fine for my recordings

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Christoph_vW:

I used MediaPortal for now – but the MediaPortal server only works on windows :/

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GreyFoxx:

Chutt: It's quited and you can't navigate folders and such. And of courses WMP only supports upnp under Vista

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keith4:

oh man. mythtvfs?

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GreyFoxx:

s/quited/quite limited/

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Chutt:

GreyFoxx, it works really well, though

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justinh:

I took MP for a test drive last week. oh man it sucks. clunky & slow

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Chutt:

seeking and everything

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Christoph_vW:

would be cool when MediaPortal Client would work with MythTV as backend

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Chutt:

(in vista)

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Chutt:

and i don't have so many recordings that i need folders =)

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GreyFoxx:

Chutt: I've used it for testing to make the mythvideo content/posters work in it

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GreyFoxx:

Chutt: heh

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Christoph_vW:

but it is too different :/

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keith4:

how about using mythtvfs and exporting that via samba, to avoid using mythrename.pl entirely?

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GreyFoxx:

You can now pick in mythtv-setup if you want recordings or mythvideo content to show up in WMP

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justinh:

Christoph_vW: nothing to stop anybody making a plugin fer it – other than blind obstinacy of course

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Christoph_vW:

justinh: yeah, but did you have a look at MP server communication?

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Christoph_vW:

it is using .NET remoting

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justinh:

Christoph_vW: so? XBMC never used to have built-in support – and even the xbmcmythtv python diddly managed a decent job

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Christoph_vW:

I think I will try xmbc for windows...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Christoph_vW, – I do the same as GreyFoxx ... mythrename.pl and share it via samba. There's also the "MythTV Player" for windows that someone pointed out the other night – that seems to work ok too.

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TelnetManta:

ajh: ping

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TelnetManta:

ajh: nevermind

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mkrufky:

who was talking about Gnome-DVB earlier?

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juNgl3:

hi all

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juNgl3:

anyone managed to setup sky tv on myth in the uk?

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gbee:

a little OT but does anyone know where I can obtain a TV-out bracket for an MSI (Radeon) board in the UK? They seem hard to find and it doesn't sound like they ship with the motherboard

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iamlindoro__:

gbee, these guys appear to ship overseas: http://www.vidabox.com/shop/index.php?main_pa . . . oducts_id=47

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: thanks, I'll contact them – did actually see that page in google results but skipped over it because they were US based

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iamlindoro__:

yeah, dunno if it's exactly the header you want, but figured it bore mentioning

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gbee:

I'll compare it with the manual pin-out description first

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iamlindoro__:

Have never owned one so I couldn't say whether it's a generic type header

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gbee:

yeah, it's the right header

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gbee:

very hard to get hold of them it seems, couple of US retailers and several forum posts suggesting that people construct their own!

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iamlindoro__:

yeah, saw those... imagine it's not too difficult if you want to save the few bucks-- I'm a fan of nice, clean products so that precludes my doing it ;)

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gbee:

probably wouldn't be hard to wire one up actually, I'll check maplin for s-vid/component parts and I could always rip the bracket from an old video card

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gbee:

not my first choice, but I'm reluctant to pay too much for overseas shipping – so it's a backup plan if buying from the US costs too much

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gbee:

I'll also contact MSI UK and see what they say about it

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lwizardl:

hi

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twinkiman:

question: Has anybody ever gotten live365.com to work with mythstream?

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lwizardl:

anyone use a nvidia 7200 card and be able to correct the overscan on a hdtv?

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gbee:

hmm, looks child's play to make your own – might just do that, with the mini-din for svid only £1.09 plus wire and header connectors already in my collection it's a no-brainer

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justinh:

juNgl3: you won't be doing it without a Sky set top box & IR blaster, no sir

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justinh:

anyhow.. bedimt

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neztiti:

GreyFoxx: hi m8

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neztiti:

guys any one can tell me what to write here information??? cat /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt – i put these informations . ist true?? DBHostName=localhost

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neztiti:

DBUserName=mythtv

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neztiti:

DBName=mythconverg

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neztiti:

DBPassword=fgugnbbg

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Anduin:

neztiti: That could be correct, you generally shouldn't edit the file though, use mythtv-setup

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neztiti:

Anduin: ok i will try

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lwizardl:

anyone know how to correct overscan?

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neztiti:

i get this message --new DB connection total:1

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neztiti:

any idea guys?

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neztiti:

DPMS is active

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neztiti:

guys any help?

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gbee:

lwizardl: nvidia? TV-out or vga/dvi/hdmi? HD or SD?

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lwizardl:

gbee, Nvidia 7200GS is my card, I'm using the DVI to DVI on my HDTV

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gbee:

nvidia-settings offers some overscan adjustment, but only for tv-out over s-video/composite etc

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gbee:

you can underscan the mythtv ui/video through appearance settings – with mythtv 0.21 there is a tool to help with that

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lwizardl:

ok becuase I'm missing some of the gnome desktop also

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gbee:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=222116 &nda sh; Claims to work with linux, but I've seen similar devices which apparently don't – any thoughts?

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gbee:

lwizardl: I'm not really an expert, that's about all I know on the subject of over/underscan

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lwizardl:

ok so I can fix it atleast from mythtv's display section?

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lwizardl:

so that mythtv will display atleast better

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gbee:

yeah, look for Screen Setup Wizard or the Screen Settings page of the appearance settings

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gbee:

I'd start with the wizard, but it's a new feature and I'm not sure how well it works

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lwizardl:

yeah I just got the max resolution (native res) for my HDTV so atleast I know that much about it

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iamlindoro:

Hoo boy, this is gonna be a *lot* of graphics to create

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Aval0n:

hi iamlindoro

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Aval0n:

what's up

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iamlindoro:

Not much, how are you?

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Aval0n:

good man

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Aval0n:

just getting home from wor

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Aval0n:

k

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Aval0n:

gonna relax and start fixin the mythbox

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Aval0n:

I upgraded to a core2duo

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dustybin:

what OS?

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Aval0n:

the hd already plays without chopping and I havn't even screwed with it

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Aval0n:

meh.. it's running ubuntu hardy

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iamlindoro:

Very nice... I really like the C2Ds

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dustybin:

they run nice and cool

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Aval0n:

although I've been wondering if I shouldn't have just went slack

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clever_:

i was able to move a hdd from a 50mhz

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clever_:

to a c2d 1.8ghz

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dustybin:

Aval0n: how about gentoo

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clever_:

only thing i had to 'fix' was the xorg config

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Aval0n:

dustybin: dunno man

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clever_:

and it was back to working as much as before

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Aval0n:

it doesn't get my excited for some reason

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clever_:

but 10000x times faster

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Aval0n:

me*

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clever_:

backward compatible cpu design makes upgrades dead simple

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clever_:

exxcept for winblows:P

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clever_:

change the mobo any on that and it never recovers

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Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

I changed motherboard and cpu

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Aval0n:

didn't make 1 single setting change

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clever_:

i moved a windows hdd to a nearly identical laptop model

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Aval0n:

and it just fired up and works

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clever_:

and it still craped up

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Aval0n:

granted they were both ac97

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clever_:

i was able to move a linux hdd between 3 diff laptops on a nearly daily basis

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clever_:

with allmost zero problems

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dustybin:

very clever_ mr bond... but not quite clever enough!

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clever_:

only big problem was initialy seting up the other eth/wifi/vid drivers

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clever_:

and swaping out the xorg.conf's

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dustybin:

clever_: are you also a ubuntu man

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clever_:

the hdd went tits up before the os did:P

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dustybin:

clever_: do you fancy yourself as a bit of a hardy herin ?

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clever:

im using gutsy 7.10 right now

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clever:

i tryed to get the next one thru debootstrap but it didnt work

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clever:

and a full iso dl&burn&install seemed like overkill

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Aval0n:

erm

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Aval0n:

update-manager -c -d

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Aval0n:

will up you to hardy

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clever:

yes but thats messy

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Aval0n:

:)

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Aval0n:

messy? how so

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clever:

installing 7.10 then upgrading to the next one

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gbee:

time for bed

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clever:

i was trying to make a fresh hardy install

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Aval0n:

it removes the old packages and installs the new ones

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Aval0n:

:)

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Aval0n:

gnight gbee

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a1fa:

Aval0n:

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a1fa:

are you using mythbuntu

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clever:

ive upgraded my laptop several times in a row

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Aval0n:

no

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clever:

in the end

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clever:

irssi would segfault every time i /exit

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Aval0n:

I compile mythtv from source

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a1fa:

i am using 8.04 mythbuntu

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Aval0n:

cool

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clever:

it had some minor problems but nothing realy big

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dustybin:

because i compile mythtv from source it makes sense to use a source-based distro like gentoo

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clever:

since the hdd went tits up i moved the laptop to nfs root

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Aval0n:

or slackware

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Aval0n:

:)

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clever:

using the hdd as swap only

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dustybin:

gentoo is slackware with a nice source code package management system

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Aval0n:

as ubuntu is to debian

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Aval0n:

hehehe

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Aval0n:

kinda

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Aval0n:

but without source

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Aval0n:

hehe

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clever:

ive got a weird problem with xv and mythtv atm

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clever:

whenever mythfrontend gains/looses focus

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clever:

the xv will randomly die

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clever:

the window just goes black(and not the color key)

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clever:

so far the only way to 'solve' it is to switch the focus back and forth until it randomly doesnt break

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dustybin:

ive never seen the logic in ubuntu, why not just use debian?

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clever:

it looks like the colorkey is being drawn over with black

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Aval0n:

I have no good answer for you dusty

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Aval0n:

other than I was curious to check out some of the compiz stuff

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Aval0n:

and ubuntu has a lot of preconfigured frontend options for appliances

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Aval0n:

I don't have a whole heck of a lot of loyalty to it

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dustybin:

one advantage i guess is, ubuntu is released twice a year, and debian is released not often, so ubuntu packages will be newer

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clever:

Aval0n: ive got compiz+myth going atm

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clever:

the ati card cant use xv as a 3d texture

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clever:

so the shadows&crap mess up the colorkey

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clever:

but its simple to just avoid having a shadow over mythtv

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dustybin:

clever: how many frontends you got?

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clever:

6 front+backends

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clever:

3 desktops

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clever:

3 laptops(one with a hdd), all 3 netbootable

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dustybin:

wtf you got 6 backends? o_0

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clever:

transcoding/flaging

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dustybin:

jeeze

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clever:

dont run them all 24/7

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clever:

theP4 (master) was a framegrabber

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dustybin:

its not what one would call 'clever' either...

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clever:

to lessen the load i pushed all flaging to a slave backend without any cards

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clever:

also

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clever:

ive got delayed transcodes on

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clever:

so all shows transcode 3 days after recording

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dustybin:

how much stuff do you record? EVERYTHING on TV?

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clever:

the problem is that they all get queued for midnight

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Aval0n:

clever

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clever:

so every day at midnight 5–10 transcodes appear out of nowhere

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Aval0n:

you are brave saying that in here

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clever:

and would clog a single system for hours

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Aval0n:

usually compiz+mythtv = you get flamed

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clever:

lol

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dustybin:

compiz + mythtv? o_0

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Aval0n:

see ;)

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clever:

i can netboot my dads c2d laptop

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mkrufky:

compiz+myth works well here

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clever:

then i have a 1.8ghz dual core transcoder

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** mkrufky hides **

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clever:

it rips thru the jobs like nothing

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Aval0n:

lo

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Aval0n:

l

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Aval0n:

I'll have to admit I run compiz+mythtv too

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clever:

it turns a 30min transcode into a 10mins job

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Aval0n:

lol

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clever:

and it can do 2 of them at once

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dustybin:

compiz is a cpu + gpu eater

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Aval0n:

I don't transcode anything

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clever:

so theres an hour of work in 10mins basicaly

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Aval0n:

dunno why

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clever:

Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

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clever:

/dev/mapper/mainvg-mainlv

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clever:

389G 383G 6.4G 99% /media/mainlv

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clever:

dustybin: its not like im using the gpu for anything else

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Aval0n:

this is true

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Aval0n:

I gotta tell ya mediaportal has come a long way

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clever:

the the main source of cpu usage is stuff like the water effects

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Aval0n:

and windows can offload hd-dvd/bluray to the gpu

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clever:

if i turn the rain on the cpu usage goes nearly 100% on a single core

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Aval0n:

all linux has is xvmc

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Aval0n:

which is weak

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Aval0n:

compiz has rain?

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clever:

the only system which is in need of mpeg2 speedups is the 400mhz

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clever:

the rain effect makes it look like drops of water are hiting the screen

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clever:

and causing riples

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clever:

and it also has a wipper:P

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Aval0n:

for a screensaver?

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clever:

no

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Aval0n:

then what's the purpose?

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clever:

it can overlay on the active screen

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clever:

just to cure bordem:P

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Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

ok

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Aval0n:

what is the command to configure compiz?

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clever:

also theres a tidal wave on system beep thing

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clever:

ccsm

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Aval0n:

hmm I tried that earlier and got nothiin

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clever:

it sends a wave/riple out from the titlebar anytime the system beeps

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clever:

and oddly the d630(with hda intel sound) cant beep

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Aval0n:

sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager

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clever:

so it helps to have a long and large animation to catch my attention on beeps

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Aval0n:

heheh

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Aval0n:

ecool

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clever:

you can also play tricks on people

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clever:

fold the laptop panel flat

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clever:

then ask some1 to come over while there hair is wet from the shower

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clever:

and look at the screen

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clever:

HEY YOUR DRIPING ON IT!

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clever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEgUTkWi-zU

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clever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nI3tTctdM4&feature=related seems you can even request it on demand from another program

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Aval0n:

ahh cool

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Aval0n:

so it just effects the background

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clever:

its more the foreground

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clever:

its layered over the screen

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clever:

covers all open windows

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Aval0n:

ahh cool

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clever:

it can even bend the video thats playing back

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Aval0n:

do you use the cube

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clever:

like the surface of the water riple is a lense

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Aval0n:

or just the side scrolling windows

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clever:

yep i got the cube going

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Aval0n:

ahh cool

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clever:

but with the ati card

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Aval0n:

a lot of people hate on the cube now adays

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Aval0n:

ahh nice

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clever:

the slight change of shade in color

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clever:

causes the color key to become invalid

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clever:

so when i rotate the cube mythfrontend turns into a blue square

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Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

get an nvidia card ;)

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clever:

yep

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clever:

laptop though:P

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clever:

the d630 laptop has nvidia

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Aval0n:

ahhh

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clever:

and it can use the xv as a 3d texture

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clever:

so the effects can actualy manipulate the video itself

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Aval0n:

nice

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clever:

disabling xv would also 'fix' it

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Aval0n:

what is the keystroke to initialize the cube again?

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Aval0n:

ctrl alt and mouse movement?

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clever:

ctrl+alt+left click

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Aval0n:

ahh ok

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Aval0n:

cool

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clever:

and you can let go of the ctrl+alt once the left is down

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dustybin:

compiz is something you need to try, once the novelty wears off you will never use it again

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sphery:

Compiz*: More proof that just because you can do something doesn't mean you should... :)

[23:23:03]

clever:

dustybin: i still use it daily

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Aval0n:

hahaha

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sphery:

but how often do you use the water drop effect?

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clever:

i dont have it raining constantly

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clever:

and the water doesnt even work on my ati card

[23:23:41]

Aval0n:

that would make a good screensaver

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Aval0n:

I could see it having a function for that...

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clever:

a fun part of the cube

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clever:

i can put a window on the edge of the desktop

[23:24:07]

clever:

and it wraps arround

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Aval0n:

yeah..

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Aval0n:

:)

[23:24:19]

sphery:

It's sad that today's definition of a "modern computer system" is one that has all sorts of UI bling that serves no purpose (and that anyone in their right mind would disable).

[23:24:22]

clever:

i made a firefox 3 cube faces wide

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Aval0n:

heheh

[23:24:40]

clever:

but at that point the window decorations crashed

[23:24:40]

clever:

and i lost the ability to resize it

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Aval0n:

is there any real benefit to trunk over 21-fixes at the moment?

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sphery:

you get to use unstable code that doesn't really work all the way!

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Aval0n:

lol ok

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sphery:

The Qt4 port is ongoing.

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

if im watching a file when it starts to comflag

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clever:

the frontend explodes

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sphery:

Qt4 adds nothing for the end user, so there's no reason to think Myth with Qt4 is better. Right now, it's just buggy as the port progresses.

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clever:

it also eats an odd ammount of cpu

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clever:

even when paused

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clever:

my master can bearly handle the files anymore

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sphery:

The sad thing is that gbee is doing the mythui port at the same time as the Qt4 port is happening, so when people first start to use it, they'll probably say things like, "Wow. This looks sooooooo much better. We should have switched to Qt4 a long time ago!"

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clever:

lol

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sphery:

When Qt4 has nothing to do with it.

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Aval0n:

hehe

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clever:

i think the qt4 should be worked on in a branch

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clever:

until its stable

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Aval0n:

sphery what do you think about media portal?

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clever:

but its a bit late to turn trunk back now

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sphery:

never tried it.

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iamlindoro:

clever: You mean like the branch it was in for ages and ages?

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Aval0n:

ahh ok

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clever:

iamlindoro: i mean until it stops aborting and segfaulting without warning:P

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sphery:

clever: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/323

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sphery:

423#323423

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sphery:

hmmm. Didn't work. Try again: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/323423#323423

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

if only i had read that before doing 2 dist-upgrade's in a row to fix qt4 :P

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sphery:

It would have been basically impossible to keep a Qt4 branch and trunk in sync, so if the Qt4 port were done in a branch, all development on trunk would have had to stop.

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clever:

yeah

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neztit1:

Aval0n: please help man here

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sphery:

Really, there are few people at all who should be using Myth's current trunk.

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sphery:

IMHO, only people who have development servers should be doing so. And, even then, only if they're currently developing.

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rooaus:

sphery: Yeah, I do hope people appreciate the truck load of work that gbee is putting into mythui. Any ui benefits that qt4 can bring (down the track) would still be exposed through mythui I would think.

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sphery:

rooaus: Since mythui is basically a MythTV-specific replacement for the Qt UI classes... :) Though, I will admit that some of the image manipulation functionality might be used by mythui, etc.

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rooaus:

yeah... lol

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sphery:

neztit1: mysql.txt is deprecated. config.xml is the new config, but as already said, you should use mythtv-setup to configure it (i.e. rm ~/.mythtv/{mysql.txt,config.xml} and then run mythtv-setup)

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malocite:

Hey, I just found this posting on mythtvtalk.com talking about a script someone wrote for mythvideo, but when I try to go and download it the page is blank, can someone go to the site and tell me if they can see anything there?

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GreyFoxx:

ummm... what's the url ?

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TelnetManta:

url?

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iamlindoro:

He's using a firefox 3 beta

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malocite:

http://idisk.mac.com/r.mcnamara-Public?view=web

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TelnetManta:

GreyFoxx: Can you test my servers url for me?

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

I know this because he's probably trying to get my script

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TelnetManta:

gonna pm the url

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iamlindoro:

yup

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malocite:

hry

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malocite:

hey

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malocite:

its you :)

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malocite:

yes, I am trying to try your script :)

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iamlindoro:

Don't use a firefox 3 beta and the page will work fine

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iamlindoro:

firefox 3 is broken

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GreyFoxx:

TelnetManta: Nope, port connecting to port 80 timesout

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malocite:

oh dear, it would appear firefox doesn't want to launch now...

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TelnetManta:

k, trying to get mew firewall configured

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neztit1:

sphery:the problem that i scanned the channels and then i stert mythfrontend – no live tv i changed the password and then started the errors

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TelnetManta:

*new

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malocite:

iamlindoro: I don't suppose you could send me the script :)

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malocite:

i'm retarded

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iamlindoro:

just use mozilla or seamonkey or any number of other browsers and it will work fine

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malocite:

I was trying to launch firefox from the wrong computer :)

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neztit1:

what is that mean???? New DB connection, total: 1

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iamlindoro:

or firefox 2

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malocite:

yeah, I have that installed, I'm in it now, what is the name of the script metacleanup-0.4 ?

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TelnetManta:

GreyFoxx: can you try it again plz?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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malocite:

you have no idea how excited I am to play with this

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malocite:

this has been what my mythbox has been missing :)

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iamlindoro:

keep in mind that, as I mentioned in the post there, I don't have the time to troubleshoot it, so you are on your own w/ it, but it does still work and I even updated it recently

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TelnetManta:

iamlindoro_: What is it?

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malocite:

he wrote a script that imports metadata for tv shows in your mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

pulls plot descriptions for all your TV shows in mythvideo from the internet, updates the DB, creates thumbnails for all files without them, calculates length for all files

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TelnetManta:

kewl

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TelnetManta:

okay, iamlindoro_ Im gonna mp you, looks like GreyFoxx left

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TelnetManta:

mind test my server connection/

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TelnetManta:

?

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iamlindoro:

sure, but pm this screen name, not the other

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TelnetManta:

I did

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malocite:

iamlindoro: Is there a readme or instructions?

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iamlindoro:

instructions are in the script

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iamlindoro:

metacleanup.sh

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malocite:

i'm off to play, I'll let you know how it went

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iamlindoro:

Just set the first six variables, run metacleanup.sh and it should work fine

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iamlindoro:

presuming you're not like the last dummy who had no mysql password and so left it blank

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neztit1:

GreyFoxx: i have to put localhost and whats the port ? in the mythtv-setup

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malocite:

iamlindoro: I must have downloaded the wrong thing

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iamlindoro:

did you get metacleanup-0.4.tar.gz? If so, then that's the script

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malocite:

yeah

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malocite:

but there's no metacleanup.sh in it that I can see

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iamlindoro:

Just re-downloaded it and untared it here, where I have never had it installed, it's right there

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malocite:

lengthscript.sh ragetvgrab.5 & .6 thumbscript.sh and tvscript.sh

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iamlindoro:

those are in the scripts dir

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iamlindoro:

the directory above it contains metacleanup.sh, as it should

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malocite:

doh

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iamlindoro:

ffs

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iamlindoro:

This is why I am offering *no* support, malocite.

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malocite:

:)

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iamlindoro:

from this point on, no more help, please figure it out on your own

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TelnetManta:

iamlindoro: another pm

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malocite:

maybe I can write you a readme or something once I get it going

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