| Tuesday, April 22nd, 2008, 00:02 UTC | ||
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| [00:02:46] | elg: | hi, can I specify that whenever possible transcoding should happen on a specific backend? my primary backend is slow but my secondary backend is fast |
| [00:09:47] | clever: | elg: you can tell it how often to look for ANY job |
| [00:09:56] | clever: | i made my 400mhz check every 600 seconds(10mins) |
| [00:10:01] | clever: | and the dual core check every 10 seconds |
| [00:10:10] | elg: | clever: ah, so the secondary will pick up the jobs first |
| [00:10:15] | clever: | just by chance, jobs will tend to favor the faster box now |
| [00:10:24] | kormoc: | elg, you can tell the first fe to not run any transcoding jobs |
| [00:10:48] | elg: | kormoc: where is that setting? I didn't see it |
| [00:10:52] | clever: | then it wont do anything when the job queue gets cloged |
| [00:10:57] | clever: | both are in mythtv-setuo |
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| [00:11:44] | kormoc: | elg, aye, mythtv-setup on the host will show it |
| [00:11:51] | elg: | ok thanks |
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| [00:14:19] | Aval0n: | this is probably blasphemy, but has anyone used any htpc alternative in windows that supports tv and recording with guide info? |
| [00:14:45] | Anduin: | TelnetManta: there is a contrib script, it isn't very good but worth a try. |
| [00:15:17] | Anduin: | TelnetManta: myth.rebuilddatabase.pl |
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| [00:18:40] | kormoc: | Aval0n, there are other channels for said alternatives, they can tell you why they like theirs much better then we could... |
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| [00:24:05] | Anduin: | Aval0n: I used MCE and SnapStream before finding MythTV years ago, they were not that bad actually (and have supposedly improved) |
| [00:24:14] | Anduin: | (and tried SageTV) |
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| [00:29:02] | Aval0n: | AHH COOL |
| [00:29:13] | Aval0n: | kormoc: hahah |
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| [00:29:34] | dustybin: | anybody here use a one for all remote on a hauppauge reciever? |
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| [00:32:37] | k-man: | hello |
| [00:33:08] | k-man: | since upgrading to .21, i'm finding the frontend to be a little less responsive than in .20 |
| [00:33:12] | k-man: | anyone else noticed that? |
| [00:33:27] | kormoc: | k-man, don't you ask that very same question every few days? |
| [00:33:50] | k-man: | kormoc, no, never asked that question before |
| [00:33:54] | kormoc: | huh |
| [00:34:00] | kormoc: | there's someone else that has then |
| [00:34:01] | k-man: | kormoc, i might ask other questions every few days ;) |
| [00:35:54] | Dagmar: | Sounds like time for new batteries in the remote control. |
| [00:36:13] | k-man: | Dagmar, no, i'm using it with a keyboard |
| [00:36:42] | k-man: | i find it particularly slow when in the recorded programs section, scrolling down the list of recorded programs |
| [00:37:20] | k-man: | it seems to go very slowly between programs sometimes, and pretty fast at other times |
| [00:38:53] | Dagmar: | Run top in a terminal ssh'd into it |
| [00:39:03] | Dagmar: | MOre than likely something else is using the CPU then |
| [00:39:40] | k-man: | maybe |
| [00:39:51] | Dagmar: | It's the first thing to eliminate |
| [00:41:02] | k-man: | yeah |
| [00:41:09] | k-man: | ill check when im at home |
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| [01:51:43] | Dave123: | anyone using 0.21-fixes with an nvidia 6200, nvidia-drivers-169.12 and xvmc? |
| [01:51:51] | Dave123: | I get this error: _xvmc_create_context() returned incorrect data size! |
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| [02:17:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Almost there... Just have to get lirc working, lcdproc, and sound in myth... (works with mplayer, so I must have myth configured wrong...) |
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| [02:23:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | !trout J-e-f-f-A to test his irc client... |
| [02:23:40] | ** MythLogBot slaps J-e-f-f-A with a to test his irc client... trout on behalf of J-e-f-f-A... ** | |
| [02:23:57] | ** J-e-f-f-A guesses it's working... ;-) ** | |
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| [02:52:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | Wow, it's really quiet tonight........ iamlindoro — I've got the audio configured right now... onto lirc so channels will get changed properly... |
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| [03:30:58] | keith4__: | yay new frontend! |
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| [03:33:54] | kormoc: | D |
| [03:37:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | keith4__: Cool.. ;-) I'm getting my new backend up and running... Just have LIRC and LCDproc to finish up... |
| [03:37:59] | keith4__: | i have.... lots and lots and lots of stuff to get working |
| [03:38:15] | keith4__: | 'lspci' right now looks like a while loop of "unknown device" |
| [03:38:56] | keith4__: | in fact, EVERY device except the firewire and ethernet controllers is "unknown device" |
| [03:39:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | keith4__: Yikes... |
| [03:41:14] | keith4__: | ... yah |
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| [03:52:40] | ** J-e-f-f-A sees it now... (he didn't see it 5 mins ago... he must be going NUTS!) ** | |
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| [04:37:49] | darthanubis: | nuvexport creates the file, but not name the file after the show, any ideas as to what I may have done wrong? |
| [04:38:19] | darthanubis: | mythexport exportdir=/home/anubis/store/mythtv/video/mythexport starttime=%STARTTIME% chanid=%CHANID% size=320x240 aspect=4:3 audio_bitrate=192kb video_bitrate=600kb export_device=ipod export_codec=mpeg4 debug |
| [04:38:35] | darthanubis: | from the job line does not work, says complted after one second |
| [04:38:37] | darthanubis: | but |
| [04:38:49] | darthanubis: | nice -n19 ffmpeg -i /home/anubis/store/mythtv/video/1044_20080421110000.mpg -acodec aac -ab 192kb -vcodec mpeg4 -b 600kb -mbd 2 -flags +4mv+trell -aic 2 -cmp 2 -subcmp 2 -s 320x240 '/home/anubis/store/mythtv/video/mythexport/VH1---Video-Hits-One_The_Flavor_of_L ove__20080421110000.mp4' 2>&1 |
| [04:39:01] | darthanubis: | from command line creates the file successfully |
| [04:39:17] | darthanubis: | I'm at a lost for answers |
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| [12:27:07] | justinh: | wow it's a hive of activity in here yet again |
| [12:27:45] | justinh: | either everybody's in #ubuntu-mythtv, is reading the documentation or everybody's mythtv is just worky :) |
| [12:31:47] | opello: | i'm happy with it :) |
| [12:32:11] | justinh: | aye makes a change I guess |
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| [12:35:32] | TelnetManta: | was slow here yesterday as well |
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| [12:45:42] | gbee: | well you asked for it, so here it is – image reflections in mythui: http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mythui_imagereflection.png |
| [12:46:48] | gbee: | sorry for the size of the demo, I couldn't be bothered to theme a proper demonstration screen so I just used mythflix |
| [12:48:11] | justinh: | ooo |
| [12:48:19] | justinh: | is the angle & falloff fixed? |
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| [12:49:55] | gbee: | justinh: nope, themeable |
| [12:50:16] | justinh: | cool! |
| [12:50:44] | gbee: | well the shear/scale is themeable right now, I'll probably make the alpha gradient themeable as well before it's committed |
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| [12:51:13] | justinh: | by the time themers get around to using it it'll be past passe but hey :) |
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| [12:53:20] | justinh: | been keeping an eye on the commits list re theme stuff – looks like there's gonna be a lot of very nifty stuff to play with thanks to you gbee |
| [12:53:26] | gbee: | figured since everyone likes that shiny (apple) look that I'd take an hour or two to look into it |
| [12:53:55] | gbee: | nice to take a break from widget work |
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| [12:54:20] | justinh: | I still mean to chip away at my list but real life is getting in the way |
| [12:54:24] | gbee: | going to implement the themeable animation path stuff next |
| [12:55:24] | justinh: | wha wha wha que?! |
| [13:00:21] | justinh: | that sounds very, ummm... :-O :D |
| [13:02:14] | justinh: | still chipping away suck bits in glass-wide. not happy with the watermarks anymore but once I am I'll drag it kicking & screaming into mythui land & might commit it if allowed |
| [13:02:21] | justinh: | *sucky |
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| [13:10:39] | dustybin: | anybody know the remote code for a Hauppauge Nova-T 500 reciever? |
| [13:11:40] | justinh: | remote code? |
| [13:13:01] | dustybin: | i bought a One for all URC7556 5 in 1 Remote Control, i got it working with my TV and AMP, but the codes in the book for Hauppauge do not work with my Nova-T 500 IR reciever |
| [13:13:41] | justinh: | heh |
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| [13:13:56] | justinh: | ask OneForAll |
| [13:14:04] | justinh: | or try looking on their webshite |
| [13:14:08] | dustybin: | aye ok |
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| [13:14:28] | justinh: | or if you can get the raw code data, make a JP1 cable & re-programmify it |
| [13:14:47] | justinh: | I made a whole new code set for my OFA6 |
| [13:15:07] | dustybin: | "es. I bought a OneForAll learning remote (URC-8910 ) and used its learning mode to learn the keys from my Hauppauge silver. It's not perfect – I often get double keyhits from pressing the button once, but's that's not a huge problem. It did let me get down to one remote." |
| [13:15:11] | dustybin: | ..yuk |
| [13:15:33] | justinh: | not that those oneforall remotes let you learn many keys |
| [13:15:54] | justinh: | I have a 7560 & it can learn about 5 buttons per function |
| [13:16:07] | justinh: | no more than 12 buttons in total though |
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| [13:18:30] | dustybin: | to hell with it, might as well keep my hauppauge remote for myth |
| [13:18:35] | dustybin: | 2 remotes is still better than 5 |
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| [13:24:47] | justinh: | no! MOAR REMOTEZ! |
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| [13:53:26] | dustybin: | who needs to spend $$$$$$$$$$$ on a mac when you can buy one of these |
| [13:53:29] | dustybin: | http://www.psystar.com/index.php?&page=sh . . . mp;Itemid=72 |
| [13:53:50] | dustybin: | imagine that dual booting os x and linux :D |
| [13:54:09] | justinh: | wow look at how BIG & ugly it is |
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| [13:55:36] | keith4: | except it's a farce, isn't it? |
| [13:56:48] | justinh: | dual booting? pfft |
| [13:57:00] | justinh: | it's 2008 ffs |
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| [14:00:01] | keith4: | yah, things like this don't give me a lot of hope: "PsyStar has listed four different street addresses on its Web site since Monday." |
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| [14:32:55] | elg: | really annoying problem. there's a show that should record every morning at 5, but always when I wake up there is no show. It says file not found. on mythweb it says it's still recording. the logs indicate no problem (show starts recording and ends recording on time, and there are no errors that I can see) |
| [14:33:11] | elg: | no problem recording other shows at other times (i.e. when I'm awake) on that or any other channel |
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| [14:34:18] | hashbang: | elg: seems to happen sometimes |
| [14:34:30] | hashbang: | elg: I've always attributed it to the multiplex becoming unavailable |
| [14:34:52] | hashbang: | elg: but I've found it a bit more common these days, and on multiplexes that are normally reliable (e.g. the BBC1 mplex) |
| [14:35:11] | justinh: | my backend is nothing but more reliable since upgrading |
| [14:35:29] | hashbang: | justinh: upgrading what? |
| [14:35:37] | justinh: | to 0.21-fixes |
| [14:35:50] | elg: | hashbang: maybe I should cancel the recording tonight and set up an at job to grab the raw stream (hdhomerun)? |
| [14:35:59] | elg: | you think it's a problem with the signal? it happens every night |
| [14:36:13] | hashbang: | justinh: ah, right. I use 0.21-fixes anyway, as I use ATrpms packages, but it's been a while since I got the latest -fixes |
| [14:36:25] | ** hashbang is coincidentally doing that just now ** | |
| [14:36:37] | justinh: | maybe the recording is starting slightly before the channel comes on the air |
| [14:36:48] | elg: | according to the guide it's online all night |
| [14:36:56] | elg: | and wouldn't that be indicated in the log then? |
| [14:37:02] | elg: | or no? |
| [14:37:03] | hashbang: | justinh: ooh, that's an interesting theory about some of my failed community channel recordings |
| [14:37:12] | justinh: | you record that shit? |
| [14:37:13] | justinh: | jees |
| [14:37:21] | hashbang: | justinh: long story, but sometimes, yes. |
| [14:37:40] | justinh: | didn't think anybody watched it unless they were involved in making it :) |
| [14:38:00] | hashbang: | some of the documentaries are interesting |
| [14:38:11] | hashbang: | FSVO, obviously |
| [14:38:22] | justinh: | do they ever have people from outside of London in em? |
| [14:39:06] | hashbang: | no idea |
| [14:39:53] | hashbang: | but anyway, I configure mythtv to start 3 mins before schedule and go for 5 mins after |
| [14:40:04] | justinh: | oh yeah just looked at their website – now I remember |
| [14:40:18] | hashbang: | so for community channel, if it's the first prog of the schedule, then that could be why /those/ recordings fail |
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| [14:40:25] | justinh: | bleeding heart PC lefty-vision |
| [14:40:44] | hashbang: | heh |
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| [14:43:30] | justinh: | I could've sworn it was stuff made by communities for communities – not all chariddy mumbo-jumbo |
| [14:44:52] | justinh: | maybe I have it confuzzled with a cable channel... |
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| [14:45:32] | hashbang: | it's not all charity-related stuff |
| [14:45:45] | justinh: | just looked at their guide for the week... |
| [14:46:21] | justinh: | poor this, diseased that. God I bet I sound like a reet heartless bastard |
| [14:46:23] | hashbang: | justinh: yeah, but if you looked at one week's schedules for UKTV History, you'd probably think it was the Nazi Channel. :-) |
| [14:46:49] | hashbang: | (whereas I stumbled across an Adam Curtis doc series I hadn't seen before there, once) |
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| [14:47:10] | justinh: | just doesn't seem to be about community per se.. unless talking about teh global community (hug, eat tofu) |
| [14:49:03] | justinh: | aanyway – guy on the -users list talking about 4 DVB_T tuners not being enough.. erm.. HELLO! |
| [14:49:32] | justinh: | 4 tuners, default of max 2 recordings per card.. 8 recordings at once & it's not enough? |
| [14:49:37] | iamlindoro__: | !trout #mythtv-users fuckwit |
| [14:49:37] | ** MythLogBot slaps #mythtv-users with a fuckwit trout on behalf of iamlindoro__... ** | |
| [14:50:09] | iamlindoro__: | damn hash, didn't mean the channel, mean the list. dammit. |
| [14:50:09] | justinh: | anyway hashbang I tend not to use the guide as such very often – my recording schedules are programme based rather than channel based ;) |
| [14:51:30] | justinh: | there we go.. "Community Channel makes you think again about the world around you". That's stretching the definition of 'around' I reckon. want me money back! |
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| [14:58:43] | justinh: | oo good my new camera has arrived. bargain at 30 squidlies |
| [15:00:06] | hashbang: | justinh: digital stills? |
| [15:00:24] | justinh: | yeah. a vast improvement on my coolpix 775 |
| [15:00:34] | justinh: | panasonic dmc-lz1 |
| [15:01:24] | justinh: | gonna buy a real camera one day but for now wanted something I can take anywhere without having to hang it round my neck |
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| [15:02:22] | hashbang: | justinh: sounds like a barg for 30 quid |
| [15:02:50] | hashbang: | justinh: I have an Oly C-750 from 2004 for 'proper' photos and my Sony K800 phone for snaps |
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| [15:02:56] | rambo3: | sup |
| [15:02:56] | justinh: | best deals on tech gear are during the day while peeps are at work I think |
| [15:02:57] | hashbang: | justinh: works well for me |
| [15:03:04] | justinh: | rambo3: we have a chess plugin! |
| [15:03:05] | hashbang: | justinh: eBay, then? |
| [15:03:44] | justinh: | yeah it was ebay. been nice selling my own gear to chumps & bagging a good deal on new phone & camera :P |
| [15:03:59] | rambo3: | why did you let ubuntu comunity use mythtv, they ll ruin it like with debian. |
| [15:04:05] | justinh: | oh wait sorry my mistake. still no chess plugin |
| [15:04:16] | justinh: | rofl |
| [15:04:44] | justinh: | if by 'ruin' you mean 'make easier to install for people without a clue' you'd be right |
| [15:05:52] | hashbang: | justinh: sunday mornings are good for bargains, too |
| [15:06:20] | rambo3: | so you will get more cluless users here , are you saying that #mythtv devs are attention whores? |
| [15:06:27] | justinh: | they're also ace for sleeping in & shagging though |
| [15:06:37] | hashbang: | justinh: true, dat. |
| [15:06:48] | justinh: | rambo3: no I'm saying ubuntu can do whatever they like – what they do has nothing to do with mythtv development |
| [15:06:57] | hashbang: | justinh: but then, that's what bidnobbler is for |
| [15:08:07] | justinh: | and as far as the number of clueless users is concerned it's been very quiet in here lately |
| [15:09:36] | justinh: | so either people are scared away by nasty people who don't suffer fools – or folks aren't bothering with mythtv – or else they're just going somewhere else to get help. it's all good |
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| [15:11:47] | justinh: | <rambo3> also can i use mediaportal themes on mythtv? |
| [15:11:55] | ** justinh falls off his chair ** | |
| [15:13:09] | justinh: | hey or maybe people have seen the 'mythtv sucks' page in the wiki & decided to give it all a miss |
| [15:13:22] | iamlindoro__: | Haha, it got deleted |
| [15:13:32] | justinh: | really? |
| [15:13:39] | iamlindoro__: | The talk page is still there, but the article itself is kaput |
| [15:13:49] | justinh: | not just that naughty vandal who defaced it then... |
| [15:13:59] | iamlindoro__: | And not an edit/vandalize, an altogether delete |
| [15:14:06] | justinh: | excellent! |
| [15:14:12] | justinh: | somebody DOES give a damn |
| [15:14:28] | iamlindoro__: | Evidently :) |
| [15:15:07] | iamlindoro__: | Naughty vandal indeed ;) |
| [15:15:10] | iamlindoro__: | har har |
| [15:15:18] | justinh: | I wonder who that was |
| [15:15:27] | justinh: | their wiki editing days are certainly over... |
| [15:15:27] | ** iamlindoro__ whistles and kicks a rock ** | |
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| [15:16:00] | rambo3: | wasn't me. i only troll irc |
| [15:16:36] | justinh: | eek! you're a troll?! |
| [15:16:46] | rambo3: | time to reboot for todays 1000 ubuntu security updates are done |
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| [15:17:08] | iamlindoro__: | Nonsense, he's here out of a genuine desire to see the oft-requested and desperately needed chess feature implemented |
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| [15:17:42] | justinh: | true. people are never gonna dump MCE in favour of mythtv if they can't watch Big Brother in a PiP while playing chess |
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| [16:15:30] | gbee: | justinh: wasn Kevin, so Baylink can't really ban him |
| [16:16:04] | gbee: | but he might blame me for tipping the balance ... |
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| [16:39:23] | firewax: | hi all |
| [16:39:35] | firewax: | can i make a static program guide? |
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| [16:40:23] | firewax: | i cant use xmltv because theres no grabber for my country, and cant make a grabber because theres no websito to grab the info from |
| [16:40:52] | firewax: | im gonna use static program info, the same channels, the same programs, the same schedule. |
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| [16:42:15] | gbee: | justinh: nicer demo of the vertical (X axis) reflection – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mythui_imagereflection1.png |
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| [16:44:22] | gbee: | obviously if you chose a background which adds to the illusion that the images are sitting on a surface then it would look even better |
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| [16:49:48] | gbee: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mythui_imagereflection2.png (better angle apparently) |
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| [16:54:11] | tank-man: | looking at that url , i was thinking thats not safe for work picture |
| [16:54:15] | tank-man: | milf tv |
| [17:05:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro__: hey buddy, how you doing' tonight? My system's *almost* up 100%... one important thing to finish – LIRC — it's sending, but evidentially the timing is off, the sat receivers don't respond... |
| [17:06:34] | iamlindoro__: | Hey there, sounds like you're making good progress |
| [17:06:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_ (er... rather "today", not "tonight"... ;) |
| [17:06:42] | iamlindoro__: | Maybe tweak the interdigit delay? |
| [17:07:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro__ Yeah, but they're not even acting on a single signal, never mind "105<enter>" |
| [17:07:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro__ So I'll crack out the o'scope again in a couple of hours and troubleshoot it... I should have it adjusted and working within an hour... |
| [17:08:08] | iamlindoro__: | ah, hmm.. Sounds like you're almost all the way back, though |
| [17:08:45] | iamlindoro__: | congrats! |
| [17:09:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro__ If nothing else, I've got a 'spare' USB MCE remote receiver, that has blasters that are supported, I could always use that if it's some sort of kernel timing issue... |
| [17:09:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro__ Thanks... ;-) |
| [17:10:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro__ I'd just put 'internal' tuners in my box, but we can't do that in the US, unfortunately.... :-( |
| [17:10:28] | iamlindoro__: | yep, sucks... grrr |
| [17:11:02] | iamlindoro__: | Oh well, maybe I'll get to start playing w/ my HD-PVR in the next few weeks, even if all I can do is goof in Win/etc. |
| [17:11:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro__ Gee, I always wanted to visit Australia, maybe I'll just move down there! (Yeah, right...) ^^ Ooh, do you have it yet? |
| [17:11:56] | iamlindoro__: | Naw, The alleged ship date is May 1 |
| [17:12:11] | iamlindoro__: | will see if it slips, which would not be unexpected |
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| [17:18:53] | keith4: | is it realistic to try to setup a diskless frontend, using a ramdisk of nfs root? |
| [17:19:18] | keith4: | i ordered a few 2gig CF cards, to be safe, but I like the idea of diskless frontends |
| [17:19:55] | jduggan: | keith4: there's quite a few people here doing it |
| [17:20:13] | keith4: | er, "ramdisk OR nfs root" |
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| [17:21:46] | GreyFoxx: | keith4: I've been doing the nfsrooted FE thing for many years |
| [17:22:01] | GreyFoxx: | no use wasting money, power, and heat on unneeded hd's :) |
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| [17:23:05] | GreyFoxx: | either etherboot, pxeboot or some other method |
| [17:23:29] | keith4: | well, that's why I ordered a few CF cards |
| [17:23:56] | keith4: | but it would be sexy to pxeboot it |
| [17:24:07] | keith4: | how's the performance? |
| [17:24:43] | GreyFoxx: | no real difference |
| [17:33:44] | justinh: | gbee: teh spiffy! |
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| [17:35:48] | justinh: | I know a lot of decisions are kinda made behind closed doors by a committee – maybe in future things that are potentially contentious should be discussed first (re 'sucks'). I know there's no out & out mission to take over the world with mythtv but there's a limit to how far self deprecationg can go IMHO |
| [17:36:57] | justinh: | we all know it's not perfect but we do our damn best & nobody should take the piss out of that |
| [17:37:24] | GreyFoxx: | Are you replying to something specific? |
| [17:37:26] | iamlindoro__: | How about we just punch anyone who uses a first person pronoun in the face, repeatedly? |
| [17:37:30] | olds: | lol |
| [17:37:32] | iamlindoro__: | in the wiki, that is |
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| [17:37:42] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: just sterilise em |
| [17:37:59] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: just the whole 'mythtv sucks' debacle in the wiki |
| [17:38:11] | iamlindoro__: | Indeed. Likewise sterilization for the inventor of Blue LEDs, by the way |
| [17:38:21] | GreyFoxx: | Is that still around? |
| [17:38:24] | justinh: | the page was finally deleted a few days ago |
| [17:38:27] | iamlindoro__: | Buhleeted |
| [17:38:28] | GreyFoxx: | I looked at it once or twice and forgot about it |
| [17:38:36] | GreyFoxx: | it was silly drivel |
| [17:38:51] | phedny: | can anyone help me figure out why mythtv doesn't work anymore after upgrading to 0.21? |
| [17:38:58] | justinh: | what really pissed me off about it was the fact it was always up there in the list of recent changes |
| [17:39:05] | JohnMahowald: | Define "doesn't work" |
| [17:39:10] | phedny: | I am using DVB and when tuning to a channel the status is set to LMs and nothing is displayed |
| [17:39:30] | olds: | what's the error |
| [17:39:32] | justinh: | lol @ my new camera. figured it would be smaller than my nikon. same thickness.. slightly longer too. |
| [17:39:32] | phedny: | I started the backend with --verbose important,record,channel now and it seems the PAT and PMT are read |
| [17:39:34] | olds: | in the backend logs |
| [17:39:48] | olds: | try rescanning channels? |
| [17:40:05] | justinh: | if all else fails, delete tuners & re-add them IMHO |
| [17:40:24] | justinh: | since they're DVB tuners & the biggest changes since 0.20 are dvb related |
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| [17:41:05] | justinh: | btw gbee is imagereflection1.png just a mockup or is it some kind of new browse mode view? |
| [17:41:52] | justinh: | eep better go check on my grilling |
| [17:42:16] | phedny: | hmm, I can try rescanning channels, but it might just break it more, because my cable provider broadcasts the wrong frequencies in de actual NIT and the correct frequencies are in an other NIT |
| [17:42:49] | olds: | hmmm |
| [17:43:07] | olds: | I've only ealt with DVB-S |
| [17:43:10] | olds: | *dealt |
| [17:43:19] | phedny: | okay |
| [17:43:32] | olds: | does it work in kaffeine |
| [17:43:35] | phedny: | I found out the small provider in our village relays a signal from a larger provider |
| [17:43:41] | olds: | or something you can manually tune |
| [17:44:02] | phedny: | and in this signal the frequency table for the larger provider is in 0x40 and the tables for some of the relaying providers are in 0x41 if I'm correct |
| [17:44:15] | phedny: | I cannot try kaffeine, my backend is headless |
| [17:44:18] | phedny: | but VLC is working |
| [17:44:47] | olds: | hmph |
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| [17:49:47] | phedny: | well, I told mythtv-setup to rescan the first existing transport and it added a duplicate of all channels to mythconverg.channel table |
| [17:49:53] | phedny: | the new duplicate is working :) |
| [17:50:14] | phedny: | the difference is the mplexid column, so I'll update them to make all channels functional :) |
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| [18:04:15] | mkrufky: | we have to go back, kate |
| [18:04:17] | mkrufky: | we have to go back! |
| [18:04:48] | TelnetManta: | lol |
| [18:06:36] | mkrufky: | we're not the only people ON this island, and we all know it! |
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| [18:18:54] | iamlindoro__: | two more days, mkrufky |
| [18:19:25] | ** mkrufky waiting in anticipation ** | |
| [18:19:38] | iamlindoro__: | And you have Bee Ess Gee until then |
| [18:19:45] | mkrufky: | no |
| [18:19:55] | mkrufky: | i finished season 2 last night — i think i should take a break |
| [18:20:14] | iamlindoro__: | Fine, *leave* all those nice people on New Caprica under Cylon rule... |
| [18:20:23] | mkrufky: | yeah,. exactly |
| [18:20:45] | mkrufky: | seems like storyline just got fumped ... seems like the show is in for a big change and rebalance of power |
| [18:20:56] | mkrufky: | i dont think i can handle tha *and* new lost all at once |
| [18:20:59] | mkrufky: | lol |
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| [18:27:11] | TelnetManta: | so you havent seen any of the new season mkrufky |
| [18:27:25] | iamlindoro__: | He hasn't seen Season 3, let alone Season 4 |
| [18:27:41] | TelnetManta: | I was just rewatching the last ep on hulu |
| [18:28:01] | TelnetManta: | wow, hes way behind then. I'de be watching every waking minute to get caught up |
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| [18:31:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | That's what I did with 24 — my first season was 4, and I spent most of my 2-week summer vacation in 2006 watching the dvds of the first 3 seasons... |
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| [18:31:53] | TelnetManta: | is 24 ever coming back? |
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| [18:32:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | TelnetManta: It's supposed to... The writer's strike pushed it out... I thought I had heard a date, but can't remember now... (And last year was pretty lame too – nowhere near the 'real-time' nature of the show...) |
| [18:34:04] | TelnetManta: | yeah, something got screwed p last season.. was weird |
| [18:34:08] | TelnetManta: | *up |
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| [18:40:33] | mkrufky: | sorry, was afk for a moment |
| [18:40:40] | mkrufky: | no, i have not seen any of the new BSG, TelnetManta |
| [18:40:48] | mkrufky: | TelnetManta: i finished season 2 last night |
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| [18:51:05] | TelnetManta: | mkrufky: Ahh, to be back in that season. Such a happy time LOL |
| [18:51:25] | TelnetManta: | mkrufky: now we know were on the final eps, is so sad but exciting at the same time |
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| [18:52:05] | mkrufky: | i was hoping that i could watch this show slowlyy...... but.... well, i couldnt pace myself in the first 2 seasons |
| [18:52:33] | kleetus: | looking for a better video card than this ATI Radeon X300, anyone recommend a much better card? |
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| [18:52:46] | justinh: | er.. ANYTHING by nvidia |
| [18:52:49] | TelnetManta: | about anythings better than that ATI |
| [18:53:03] | TelnetManta: | justinh: lol |
| [18:53:33] | kleetus: | TelnetManta: thanks |
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| [18:53:37] | iamlindoro__: | !trou ATI |
| [18:53:40] | iamlindoro__: | !trout ATI |
| [18:53:40] | ** MythLogBot slaps ATI with a trout on behalf of iamlindoro__... ** | |
| [18:53:45] | iamlindoro__: | There we go |
| [18:53:47] | kleetus: | TelnetManta: what are you using? |
| [18:56:00] | justinh: | of cards you can buy there are really only ATI & nvidia – and only one of those (nvidia) is worth considering right now |
| [18:57:04] | TelnetManta: | Nvide GeForce 7600GS |
| [18:57:08] | justinh: | I get reasonable performance from my frontend with onboard Intel crud but I'd have to think again if I was big on 3D games |
| [18:57:10] | TelnetManta: | *NVidia |
| [18:57:31] | TelnetManta: | 256mb |
| [18:57:42] | TelnetManta: | Component out to my Plasma |
| [18:58:02] | TelnetManta: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121008 |
| [18:58:13] | kleetus: | TelnetManta: nice, thanks |
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| [19:06:07] | P4C0: | hello |
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| [19:07:04] | P4C0: | does anyones know where i can buy a small case? maybe a barebone system? I'm thinking in building a mithtv box but hardware is a problem :( |
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| [19:09:59] | mkrufky: | P4C0: global.shuttle.com |
| [19:10:08] | mkrufky: | that's just one of many |
| [19:10:48] | P4C0: | mkrufky, yes, but what i have found doesn't have enough slots, i need one agp for nvida card, one pci for wireless network and another for the tunner |
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| [19:13:41] | mkrufky: | you said "small case" |
| [19:14:07] | mkrufky: | the trend for small pc's are to have less (or no) slots |
| [19:14:15] | mkrufky: | oh well |
| [19:14:28] | iamlindoro__: | Not to mention it's a waste to buy a new system and try to get AGP... either get an Intel or nVidia onboard graphics card, or a PCIe nVidia |
| [19:14:33] | mkrufky: | i am looking for something too... i kinda like intel's skulltrail mobo, but i dont know if its out yet |
| [19:14:47] | mkrufky: | oh, lol |
| [19:14:51] | mkrufky: | i missed that he said agp |
| [19:14:57] | mkrufky: | my shuttle has 1 agp and 1 pci |
| [19:15:01] | mkrufky: | thats enought fo ryou, right there |
| [19:15:24] | iamlindoro__: | Or buy a Mac Mini and a USB tuner and call it a day |
| [19:15:26] | mkrufky: | ah, you want a 2nd pci slot... too bad, you lose |
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| [19:18:22] | P4C0: | yes i think i will get a new nvidia with express pci |
| [19:18:53] | P4C0: | it's only because i have an old agp tvout card |
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| [19:23:18] | TelnetManta: | P4C0: Are you building a FE or BE or both? |
| [19:23:30] | P4C0: | both |
| [19:23:44] | TelnetManta: | ah, I did that the first time around as well... since split them up. |
| [19:23:53] | P4C0: | well actually i'm just thinking of... |
| [19:23:53] | TelnetManta: | bigger backend with 5 pci slots. |
| [19:24:23] | P4C0: | but how do you communicate both? |
| [19:24:23] | TelnetManta: | my original fe/be system only had 2 pci slots and it's not big enough |
| [19:24:33] | TelnetManta: | its built into myth |
| [19:24:47] | P4C0: | i think i can be ok with 2 pci |
| [19:24:52] | TelnetManta: | you can have multiple FE's off of one BE |
| [19:25:09] | P4C0: | yes, but i only have one tv... and no plans for more... at least for now |
| [19:25:15] | TelnetManta: | ah |
| [19:25:17] | TelnetManta: | I see |
| [19:25:19] | P4C0: | can i have all of that wireless? |
| [19:25:24] | P4C0: | since i hate cables all around |
| [19:25:35] | TelnetManta: | then just build a system with whatever mini-atx MB you want |
| [19:25:53] | P4C0: | yes, besides my budget is looow |
| [19:25:56] | TelnetManta: | you "can" but 100mb is best especially if you do HD |
| [19:26:21] | TelnetManta: | my fist fe/be system was $700 for all the parts |
| [19:26:25] | TelnetManta: | *first |
| [19:26:46] | P4C0: | you were happy with it? |
| [19:26:52] | TelnetManta: | mb, cpu, 1gbram, 500gb HD, case, wireless kb |
| [19:26:58] | TelnetManta: | and MPU |
| [19:27:16] | TelnetManta: | yes, except I was out of space in the case so I split it up |
| [19:27:19] | P4C0: | hmm i will probably will need a wireless kb... :S |
| [19:27:27] | P4C0: | :) |
| [19:27:31] | TelnetManta: | You'll always want to do more, especially once its all working LOL |
| [19:27:40] | P4C0: | yes, that's true |
| [19:28:01] | TelnetManta: | I have 4 DVB-S cards and one cable card in my BE |
| [19:28:09] | P4C0: | well if i manage to do this then that pc can be used as desktop or something else, since right now i only have 2 laptops, wife's and mine |
| [19:28:17] | TelnetManta: | and firewire support now so I can play with that one of these days. |
| [19:28:27] | P4C0: | :) |
| [19:28:46] | TelnetManta: | I built mine to server as a web/file server as well on my home lan |
| [19:29:06] | P4C0: | yes, that's the idea |
| [19:29:30] | TelnetManta: | need more HD space now. 500GBisnt a lot when recording HD |
| [19:29:50] | TelnetManta: | and the FE case is to small for another HD hence the new BBE |
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| [19:30:02] | P4C0: | well, no hd tv here... |
| [19:30:12] | P4C0: | so i think for me that will not be an issue |
| [19:30:21] | TelnetManta: | where are you? |
| [19:30:23] | TelnetManta: | just wondering |
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| [19:31:21] | P4C0: | hehe, panama city, panama... central america, just between costa rica and colombia... |
| [19:31:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro; Well, guess what — I'm not sure why it wasn't working before, but it's working now... We'll see what happens the next time I boot... |
| [19:32:16] | P4C0: | there's one hdtv provider but they are just starting, also my tv isn't hd capable... so no use :p |
| [19:32:30] | P4C0: | you know, the usual 3rd world country :p |
| [19:32:31] | TelnetManta: | I see |
| [19:32:46] | TelnetManta: | well have fun putting it all together, thats the fun part! |
| [19:33:09] | P4C0: | :) |
| [19:36:20] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A, Nice! |
| [19:36:55] | ** J-e-f-f-A is off to take his son to a dr's appt... See ya guys later tonight... ;-) ** | |
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| [19:38:14] | mkrufky: | the orchid comes back into play for the finalr |
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| [19:38:20] | mkrufky: | im listening to an interview |
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| [19:39:59] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, That ought to confuse all the people who never saw the orientation video :) |
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| [19:41:44] | mkrufky: | those people shouldnt be watching the show, at all |
| [19:41:57] | mkrufky: | ...or at least should go buy the dvd's and start from day 1 ............ |
| [19:42:00] | mkrufky: | Jack has work to do |
| [19:42:29] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, All the folks on my run team watch it and just ask confused questions of each other... I intentionally don't answer them because I don't want to have to explain ever easter egg, interview, web video, etc. |
| [19:43:23] | mkrufky: | some people just cant grasp iot |
| [19:43:25] | mkrufky: | it |
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| [19:52:28] | iamlindoro__: | http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ffmpeg/appinf . . . BF705A5D5DBB |
| [19:52:32] | iamlindoro__: | ^^ WOW |
| [19:52:34] | iamlindoro__: | Nice. |
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| [19:54:31] | GreyFoxx: | Now that could be nifty! |
| [19:54:43] | iamlindoro__: | No doubt |
| [19:55:11] | justinh: | wahey |
| [19:55:21] | ** justinh will not be holding his breath, though ;) ** | |
| [19:55:26] | Hoxzer: | Hmm |
| [19:55:35] | Hoxzer: | I would rather Have a cluster support |
| [19:56:51] | justinh: | roflmao |
| [19:56:52] | iamlindoro__: | Hoxzer, You can already cluster x264 encodes |
| [19:57:10] | Hoxzer: | iamlindoro__: Is it possible to cluster x264 -> mpeg2 encodes ? |
| [19:57:19] | justinh: | just imagine – a room full of Apple TV boxes all working to play h.264 from bluray discs! |
| [19:57:41] | iamlindoro__: | nope, but why in the world would you want to encode that direction, to a less efficient and uglier codec? |
| [19:57:51] | justinh: | to save moneh! |
| [19:57:57] | Hoxzer: | iamlindoro__: It is lighter |
| [19:57:57] | justinh: | MOAR SAVINGZ! |
| [19:58:22] | iamlindoro__: | Hoxzer, But with the frame-level multithreading, the lighter codec won't matter, since the multithreaded playback itself will be much better |
| [19:58:33] | justinh: | if you have more than one core... |
| [19:58:36] | iamlindoro__: | indeed |
| [19:58:56] | justinh: | but nuh, I wanna use all my lame old boxes that really should have gone to scrap 20 years ago.. wah! |
| [19:59:17] | Hoxzer: | iamlindoro__: Yeah, I have 2.4Ghz P4 on my box. It doens't do 720p h264 |
| [19:59:32] | justinh: | so save up :) |
| [19:59:34] | iamlindoro__: | Hoxzer, Buy a better box ;) |
| [20:00:12] | Hoxzer: | :P I'm thinking of putting 3200+ AMD64 on it from my current desktop box. |
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| [20:02:54] | iamlindoro__: | Incidentally, a bunch of the qualification tasks will bear cool fruit for MythTV down the road, too |
| [20:03:51] | iamlindoro__: | AC3 parser extended to support E-AC3, finalizing the MLP decoder, DVB Muxer completed (including h.264 support) |
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| [20:05:09] | mkrufky: | demuxer, you mean |
| [20:05:40] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, naw, Zhengtang Feng completed a DVB *muxer* |
| [20:07:02] | iamlindoro__: | erm, pardon me, he extended the MPEG ts muser to support h.264 |
| [20:07:08] | iamlindoro__: | muxer |
| [20:07:11] | mkrufky: | demuxer |
| [20:07:14] | mkrufky: | :-P |
| [20:07:28] | mkrufky: | a muxer takes multiple streams and 'muxes' them into a single stream |
| [20:07:28] | iamlindoro__: | muxer |
| [20:07:29] | iamlindoro__: | :P |
| [20:07:34] | iamlindoro__: | I know that |
| [20:07:44] | mkrufky: | what would mythtv do with a muxer ? |
| [20:07:56] | iamlindoro__: | http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-so . . . /003276.html |
| [20:08:24] | mkrufky: | ok, so nothing |
| [20:08:29] | mkrufky: | i took that out of context |
| [20:08:36] | mkrufky: | it has nothing to do with myth |
| [20:08:44] | iamlindoro__: | well, not directly, no |
| [20:08:54] | iamlindoro__: | The other two certainly do |
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| [20:10:31] | iamlindoro__: | I suppose it I thought about it hard enough I could find a use for h.264 support in TS muxing in mythtranscode |
| [20:10:34] | iamlindoro__: | if |
| [20:11:00] | mkrufky: | true |
| [20:11:21] | mkrufky: | yeah good point |
| [20:11:41] | iamlindoro__: | ie HD-PVR lossless commercial cut :) |
| [20:12:03] | mkrufky: | heh, that should be interesting |
| [20:12:45] | mkrufky: | hmmm, ah i see the implications now |
| [20:12:52] | mkrufky: | damned container format |
| [20:13:48] | mkrufky: | hmmmmm no... the recording on disk would be the ps, not the ts |
| [20:14:42] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, they are totally different formats though, no? Thought most DVB-T recordings got dumped as TS |
| [20:15:04] | mkrufky: | i have to admit that im not entirely sure, now |
| [20:15:38] | mkrufky: | i am under the impression that when i tune to a QAM stream... lets say, freq 669000000, then i should get at least 2 channels there, say... WNYW-DT and WWOR-DT |
| [20:15:42] | mkrufky: | thats in the TS |
| [20:15:59] | mkrufky: | but, i am only recording WNYW-DT , so..... the recording on disk would be post-filtering |
| [20:16:15] | mkrufky: | what i dont know, is whether it is a TS on disk, with only the pids we care about |
| [20:16:24] | mkrufky: | ...or if its a PS on disk, 100% useful |
| [20:16:29] | iamlindoro__: | Thought TS and PS were merely different container formats |
| [20:16:55] | iamlindoro__: | Of course, each with different features, but thought that both could exist in a static on disk format |
| [20:17:36] | iamlindoro__: | Would be happy to know for sure, though |
| [20:18:26] | mkrufky: | both can |
| [20:18:37] | mkrufky: | im just saying, im not sure what mythtv puts on disk |
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| [20:19:00] | iamlindoro__: | Hmm. Yeah, dunno. |
| [20:19:18] | kormoc: | myth puts whatever the card outputs |
| [20:19:27] | kormoc: | and some cards out put one or the other or both |
| [20:19:44] | kormoc: | mine allows me to set it to ts or ps, and I think I choose ps |
| [20:19:54] | mkrufky: | if we're talking digital tv, the card outputs TS, always |
| [20:20:13] | kormoc: | mine's a m179 (pvr 250) |
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| [20:20:16] | mkrufky: | analog mpeg encoders ..... cx23416-based linux drivers output PS |
| [20:20:27] | mkrufky: | but the silicon is capable of TS output |
| [20:20:37] | mkrufky: | (linux driver doesnt know how to get TS, though) |
| [20:20:44] | gbee: | justinh: http://pastebin.ca/993720 http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mythui_imagereflection3.png |
| [20:20:47] | mkrufky: | and its more trouble than its worth |
| [20:21:19] | kormoc: | with the pvr cards I've used, it's just a toggle in ivtv-ctl/v4l2-ctl |
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| [20:21:30] | iamlindoro__: | Ah well, we'll put a question mark by the usefulness of that feature, but I maintain that it might come in handy :) |
| [20:21:38] | kormoc: | gbee, snazzy :) |
| [20:21:43] | gbee: | justinh: will be adding image transformation too, so the original image can be set at an angle too |
| [20:22:06] | gbee: | but I think that's enough for today :) |
| [20:22:23] | iamlindoro__: | Weird reflecty eye!! |
| [20:22:24] | iamlindoro__: | :) |
| [20:22:31] | justinh: | whoah da blingza! |
| [20:22:40] | iamlindoro__: | He's staring at himself in the medicine cabinet |
| [20:22:58] | gbee: | kormoc: I hope that it satisfies those who want more eye-candy in the mythtv UI |
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| [20:23:12] | justinh: | lol. I just pasted http://pastebin.ca/99372 |
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| [20:23:58] | gbee: | heh |
| [20:24:11] | iamlindoro__: | That screams "See me after class" |
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| [20:26:06] | jyg: | I was wondering if I can get an honest assessment. I've been doing linux systems dev and production admin for about 10 years, run it on my desktop, laptop, etc... I started reading up on MythTV a few days ago and I'm consdiering, but I just don't have the time to muck around with something and cajole it to work how I want. I'm actually consider just getting WinXP Media Center... if I go with MythTV, is it going to be a time-costly experience? |
| [20:27:20] | kormoc: | jyg, mine experience is that it isn't, but I seem to be atypical |
| [20:27:24] | jyg: | i should qualify that... as time-costly as getting all the pieces parts to work with WinXP |
| [20:27:29] | jyg: | heh |
| [20:27:43] | jyg: | i have atypically bad luck ;) |
| [20:28:01] | iamlindoro__: | It can be. If you choose your hardware carefully and choose a simple distro, it can be fairly abbreviated too... MCE will probably be faster to set up, Myth will be by far more featureful and flexible |
| [20:28:14] | jyg: | hmm |
| [20:28:17] | justinh: | it can be. if you RTFM & do your research BEFORE buying hardware... |
| [20:28:33] | jyg: | ok that might settle it them... I've got some hardware already. |
| [20:28:53] | jyg: | i with I had one of those pre-DRM HD cards :( |
| [20:28:54] | justinh: | check it works in linux before playing with myth or there may be trouble ;) |
| [20:28:56] | jyg: | er wish |
| [20:29:09] | iamlindoro__: | jyg, the brodcast flag failed, they're ALL pre |
| [20:29:13] | jyg: | what's the video DRM called? |
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| [20:29:14] | jyg: | yeah |
| [20:29:17] | jyg: | what? |
| [20:29:25] | iamlindoro__: | There is no broadcast flag. on any card. |
| [20:29:44] | jyg: | waaait... so you can get the true OTA ATSC HD? |
| [20:29:54] | iamlindoro__: | Of course |
| [20:29:57] | jyg: | and record it to DV with the same quality? |
| [20:30:03] | kormoc: | yes |
| [20:30:04] | jyg: | uncompressed?> |
| [20:30:07] | iamlindoro__: | yes |
| [20:30:07] | gbee: | jyg: MythTV isn't as easy to set up as we want it to be yet, we're working on it though – having said that I don't think it's especially hard, most problems come from factors outside mythtv's control, e.g. hardware support |
| [20:30:10] | jyg: | i'm having an orgasm |
| [20:30:11] | jyg: | heh |
| [20:30:12] | kormoc: | it's compressed over the air... |
| [20:30:38] | gbee: | but if you get the right hardware and distro, as iamlindoro_ said above then it can be straightforward |
| [20:30:39] | jyg: | gbee hmm, maybe with that and my hardware situation, I might wait a while and go with xp for now |
| [20:31:10] | jyg: | one reason why i wanted to use linux is that i refuse to let my wife use windows anymore... had a bad experience with her opening the wrong e-mail/clicking n the wrong links |
| [20:31:22] | jyg: | the TV-box will also be her web/email access |
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| [20:33:17] | KjetilK: | so, now that I've established that I don't have an IR reciever, can anyone recommend a decent but simple remote and a stand-alone receiver? |
| [20:33:20] | gbee: | hardware support has improved 100–200% in linux over the last couple of years, it's reaching a point where devices usually just work – cutting edge cards can take a few months to be support, but get TV capture devices which have been in the market for 18months and you are usually fine – there are plenty of lists of recommended gear etc |
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| [20:34:29] | jyg: | gbee, that what makes it possible for me to use it on my laptops finally, thank God |
| [20:34:32] | gbee: | mythtv itself has a lot of settings, but the defaults are usually chosen to "just work" and then give you infinite possibilities when you are comfortable enough to play with them |
| [20:34:56] | jyg: | how well does mythtv work with those USB HD gadgets? |
| [20:35:22] | iamlindoro__: | jyg, a pretty good source for which TV devices work is linuxtv.org |
| [20:35:26] | justinh: | depends how well said gadgets work in linux |
| [20:35:29] | jyg: | or does it prefer pci/x |
| [20:35:30] | iamlindoro__: | check the wikis there |
| [20:35:34] | jyg: | justin, good point |
| [20:35:46] | jyg: | iamlindoro, thanks |
| [20:35:48] | justinh: | pci-e support is still new & a bit bloody but improving all the time |
| [20:35:50] | iamlindoro__: | they're not always super-duper up-to-date, but it's a pretty good sense of what works |
| [20:36:06] | jyg: | ok i'll stop bugging you guys are and look more, thanks for the advice... maybe I'll be back :) |
| [20:36:27] | jyg: | catch you later |
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| [21:53:45] | marl: | hi can anyone point me to any info on diagnosing VERY slow livetv playback with a nova-t-500 card? am using a hi spec pc, running backend and frontend, and am getting approx 1 frame per sec on watching live tv :( looking for any poitners to web pages to help me trace the problem, as far as i can tell it is not h/drive io that is causing it |
| [21:54:01] | XLV: | anyone know of some file manager plugin inside mythtvl that can browse into smb shares? meaning not to have to add the network dir with the videos/mp3s on the mythtv video/audio directories settings, or to have to mount the network drive |
| [21:54:31] | marl: | and does livetv always run a few seconds behind? is there a way to get livetv to be work without using files on the harddrive? |
| [21:55:16] | marl: | XLV is this so u dont have to mount the drive each time u use it, or some other reason? |
| [21:55:52] | XLV: | marl, yeah, it seems easier that way, when i just want to browse to some smb share and view a video |
| [21:55:55] | justinh: | file manager? are you from the future? |
| [21:56:12] | XLV: | justinh, how so? |
| [21:56:15] | XLV: | ;-) |
| [21:56:30] | justinh: | marl: usually I'd just tell somebody to dump their ATI VGA card |
| [21:56:58] | XLV: | i know its windows term.. ok, a nautilus equivalent |
| [21:57:08] | marl: | lol, not an ATI card! |
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| [21:57:32] | justinh: | XLV: you can easily get mythvideo to act a little like a file browser. use the list view |
| [21:57:38] | kormoc: | marl, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . n_Live_TV.3F |
| [21:57:54] | justinh: | add the dir your SMB share is mounted to, to mythvideo's directory list |
| [21:58:23] | justinh: | set it to not use video metadata and badabing |
| [22:00:13] | justinh: | you can't just browse stuff you're not mounted to |
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| [22:00:24] | justinh: | not yet. needs somebody to write that bit :P |
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| [22:12:40] | marl: | is there a way of telling if the bad playback is h/drive related or decoder related? |
| [22:12:52] | marl: | when watching livetv |
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| [22:39:35] | gbee: | pretty quiet in here at the moment? maybe the improving weather in the Northern hemisphere? |
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| [22:40:16] | kormoc: | the working hours in the north west hemisphere :P |
| [22:40:18] | marl: | lol, nope just bissy pulling more hair out!!!!!!!!! |
| [22:40:37] | marl: | working hours?????? whats them????? |
| [22:40:45] | marl: | its only 23:40 here at the moment!!!!! |
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| [22:55:38] | marl: | ok, im at a loss, anyone any sujestions for finding out what is causing realy bad livetv playback? im getting about 2 frames a second :( |
| [22:56:22] | kormoc: | marl, run top and see how much is in iowait? |
| [22:57:43] | marl: | which one is iowait? |
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| [22:58:28] | kormoc: | typically the 'wa' one |
| [22:59:17] | marl: | wa=1.5% |
| [23:00:13] | marl: | load av = 1.36 |
| [23:01:11] | gbee: | what spec cpu? |
| [23:01:23] | marl: | load av before livetv started was less than .5 |
| [23:01:43] | marl: | athalon 64 dual core 4200+ |
| [23:02:11] | marl: | 2Gb Ram, Nova-T-500 dual DVB card |
| [23:02:22] | gbee: | try disabling all deinterlacing – though with that CPU you shouldn't be having problems unless it's video driver related |
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| [23:06:38] | marl: | ok, how do i disable the interlacing? as i went through the setup guide and trouble shooter and couldnt see anything about deinterlacing on screen :( |
| [23:10:54] | GreyFoxx: | You set a deinterlacer in your playback profile in the frontend setup menus |
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| [23:11:35] | kormoc: | does already recorded tv playback correctly? |
| [23:12:33] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: That reflection stuff looks pretty cool! |
| [23:15:43] | marl: | greyfoxx, is that utilities/setup – setup – tv settings – playback ? |
| [23:16:31] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [23:18:23] | marl: | kormoc, current video playback profile? |
| [23:19:38] | marl: | ok, i have 4 settings listed, is there a way to tell which one is used by default? |
| [23:20:19] | marl: | 2 say is rez is >=1280 720 and 2 if rez >0 0 |
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| [23:22:43] | marl: | tis ok, jsut set all of them to no interlace |
| [23:23:09] | marl: | bu has made no differance to the playback :( |
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| [23:23:23] | marl: | have schedulded a recording to see how that goes as well |
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| [23:24:59] | marl: | while im waiting for this recording to compleate, does mythtv support blueray yet? |
| [23:26:22] | marl: | nope, recorded file plays the same :( |
| [23:26:28] | marl: | about 2 frames a second |
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| [23:27:47] | GreyFoxx: | marl: Nothing under linux can play an encrypted commercial bluray disk |
| [23:28:07] | GreyFoxx: | all play now is peoplke ripping /decrypting on another platform and copying it over |
| [23:28:32] | marl: | :( |
| [23:28:50] | iamlindoro: | Well, the AACS disks can be ripped in linux, but not the BD+ ones |
| [23:29:17] | ** GreyFoxx is waiting for direct playback under linux. ** | |
| [23:29:30] | GreyFoxx: | until then I'm waiting for Transformers under bluray and I'll pick up a ps3 |
| [23:29:34] | iamlindoro: | So yeah, for simplicty's sake it's still simpler just to do it in Windows |
| [23:29:44] | marl: | :( |
| [23:30:23] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: There are some fellows working on a libaacs, but I don't think they're even trying for BD+ decrypt yet |
| [23:30:30] | marl: | shit that means ill have to dual boot for the BR :( |
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| [23:34:36] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Well I'm holding out for transformers before making the jump, it'll be my gateway disk ;), so hopefully by then a good all encompasing solution will be within reach :) Otherwise Ps3 for me |
| [23:35:08] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: I think Final Fantasy will probably be the thing that finally forces me to get a PS3 |
| [23:35:14] | marl: | ah, the recorded vid has just ended and am back at the select recording page, and the small preview window appears to be playing the recording back without any problems!!!!!! |
| [23:35:16] | iamlindoro: | but that's a loooong ways off |
| [23:35:49] | GreyFoxx: | marl: Hmmmmmm What video card? |
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| [23:38:18] | marl: | shit it looks like this board is an ati vid :( give me a sec to dig out the manual! |
| [23:38:24] | iamlindoro: | Ruh roh |
| [23:38:37] | iamlindoro: | lspci |grep VGA ought to do it btw |
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| [23:39:41] | marl: | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon X1200 Series :( |
| [23:40:44] | sivel27: | hello all |
| [23:41:21] | iamlindoro: | marl: Well as you no doubt have guessed, ATI + Linux = sorrow |
| [23:41:36] | iamlindoro: | ATI + Linux + MythTV = Failful sorrow |
| [23:44:08] | sivel27: | quick question.. i have a mythbuntu 8.04 install, running a asus p5e-vm w/ integrated gfx via vga input, and a pvr-150 tuner card. the question is that my picture quality is horrible , and was wondering if anyone else has this issue when used with sattelite? |
| [23:45:05] | marl: | fecking h*ll :( |
| [23:45:28] | marl: | all i need, got this board cus it had the hdmi output and everything on it, wasnt ment to be an ati vid :( |
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| [23:48:31] | Anduin: | sivel27: There are different definitions of horrible |
| [23:49:26] | sivel27: | anyone? |
| [23:50:12] | sivel27: | ok, well the picture quality is very "blurred when compared to hooking the coax straight up to the tv |
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| [23:52:00] | sivel27: | and the tv is the display source in both cases. whats strange is that and of the xvid-dvix avis look great, but the live tv is terrible |
| [23:52:17] | sivel27: | all of the |
| [23:52:54] | GreyFoxx: | what kind of capture card? |
| [23:53:03] | Anduin: | sivel27: some quality is lost vs. the TV always, when encoding. |
| [23:53:11] | marl: | ok heres a daft question, and i know this isnt realy the place to ask it, but acording to apt-get i have the latest ati driver installed for xorg, but the xorg.conf file states 'generic video card' for the screen, does that sound write? |
| [23:53:12] | Anduin: | GreyFoxx: pvr-150 |
| [23:53:32] | GreyFoxx: | ok. Might do with some bitrate/resolution tweaking then |
| [23:53:36] | sivel27: | haup pvr-150 |
| [23:54:32] | Anduin: | sivel27: You should play with what GreyFoxx said, adjust your recording profile (live TV being the easiest to play with) |
| [23:55:39] | kormoc: | marl, that's just a text string, you could change it to say 'My super nasa major 490218594028590325820953250978235902 ram card' |
| [23:56:23] | marl: | ok, is there a way to get the current vid driver being used? |
| [23:56:49] | kormoc: | marl, check your xorg.log ? |
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| [23:59:39] | sivel27: | what exactly do you categorize as "some"? |
| [23:59:39] | sivel27: | do i adjust that through the backnd or the frontend? |
| [23:59:40] | sivel27: | also, is there a free tv listing site out there? |
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