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| [00:07:34] | sirbob: | How can you have mythtv give you a list of video sources when you press "watch tv"? |
| [00:09:20] | mkrufky: | i dont know how to get a list, but you can cycle through them by pressing Y |
| [00:11:06] | sirbob: | Oh, and has anyone set up a DCH3416? |
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| [00:18:45] | GreyFoxx: | sirbob: There is no option for it to give you a gui menu unless you modify the code yourself |
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| [00:45:05] | nomin: | what do I run for the initial setup? I just connected the mysql database but mythtv-setup doesn't exist anymore. Using mythtv version 0.21 16564.2 |
| [00:47:19] | GreyFoxx: | if you don't have mythtv-setup then you are missing something |
| [00:48:05] | nomin: | "No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP. Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page of the general settings." |
| [00:49:58] | GreyFoxx: | you seen to run mythtv-setup to configure that |
| [00:49:59] | nomin: | oh, it's a separate package now |
| [00:50:11] | GreyFoxx: | *sigh* stupid packages |
| [00:50:19] | nomin: | I'm on mandriva spring. |
| [00:51:46] | ** GreyFoxx hates all packages hehe ** | |
| [00:52:04] | GreyFoxx: | or I just most of them |
| [00:56:57] | sirbob: | I am trying to set up the cable box DCH3416 over firewire, and I get a signal and can change channels, but it shows 2 boxes (one in lower left and one in upper right) with the video and the refresh rate is really bad |
| [00:57:11] | sirbob: | I have it set to use 100MPS and Broadcast |
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| [01:15:02] | unstable: | Is there a way to have MythTV automatically mute when commercials come on? |
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| [01:15:23] | unstable: | or even better, play some low music and black the screen, while the commercial plays. |
| [01:15:45] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | unstable: Umm... Why? Just have it auto-skip the commercials... |
| [01:15:50] | nevyn: | umm why not just use commercial flagging? |
| [01:16:01] | unstable: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: What about when I'm watching live? |
| [01:16:20] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | unstable: Why watch live? ;-) |
| [01:17:54] | unstable: | Because I want to watch live. |
| [01:19:16] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | unstable: Then, no. Myth doesn't know where the commercials are until they're scanned with the comm flagging process... |
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| [01:30:12] | doug: | I'm running mythtv 0.20.2 with kernel 2.6.24.4 just fine. When I tried to upgrade to kernel 2.6.25, it appears to break mythtv. When I try to watch TV, the backend just hangs....can't kill it either. Have to finally reboot |
| [01:30:47] | doug: | Same thing happens with 0.21. Anyone else experience this problem with the new kernel 2.6.25? Any ideas on how to fix it? |
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| [01:35:22] | Agrajag-: | doug: where does the backend hang? do other apps that use your tv tuner work? |
| [01:37:25] | doug: | Agrajag-: Well, the backend gives the indication that it is switching the tuner to record, like it always does, then just hangs. No TV is ever presented, and the frontend ultimately goes back to the menu. However, you can't kill off the backend process, even if closing the console it was started in. |
| [01:37:26] | unstable: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: Is there a way to have comm flagging process check in live time? |
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| [01:38:07] | doug: | Leaves it as a zombie/defunct process, then you can't restart a backend due to the socket still being bound to the original, failed backend. |
| [01:38:22] | doug: | TVtime runs just fine with the tuner under 2.6.25. |
| [01:39:30] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | unstable: Sort-of, with a fast cpu that can do it in real-time, but it also uses the length of the commercials to detect them, so that it doesn't confuse a dark scene with a commercial, so not like you want it to... |
| [01:39:44] | doug: | The tuner is a WinTV Go tuner card. |
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| [01:40:23] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | unstable: Realistically, you'd have to be a little bit behind 'real-time' to have it detect/flag a commercial to skip, and tnen you'd probably catch up to live again, and it wouldn't work for the next one... |
| [01:40:32] | doug: | I should note that the TV tuner card is located in my desktop, running a secondary backend, and the primary backend is on my server. |
| [01:41:19] | squish102: | if i have the time of the recording invalid, and FF jumps all over the place and then suddenly to the end. should i run a "mythcommflag --all --rebuild" to fix it? |
| [01:41:39] | doug: | When this happens, the primary backend says something about the connection to the secondary backup is lost. |
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| [01:55:58] | Kurtism: | hello |
| [01:56:10] | Josh_: | What is the suggested tuner for Digital broadcast in the US in a box with only PCI slots? |
| [01:56:29] | Josh_: | it seems that the HVR-1600 isn't supported by mythtv, and the 1800 is only PCI-E |
| [01:56:39] | Kurtism: | is it possible to use mythtv with an ati radeon x800 pro? |
| [01:57:06] | Josh_: | Kurtism, are you planning to use TV-Out, or just CRT/LCD monitor? |
| [01:57:14] | Kurtism: | just the dvi out |
| [01:57:24] | Kurtism: | so I guess that would be vga |
| [01:57:38] | Josh_: | Kurtism, I dont' see why not, I'm running on a Geforce FX5200 |
| [01:57:49] | Josh_: | the x800 is a LOT better than the FX200 |
| [01:58:01] | Kurtism: | yeah |
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| [01:59:30] | Kurtism: | I may have to configure something then cause when I fire up mythtv and configure it to show some free-to-air satellite channels they show up for a bit and then become blurry |
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| [02:00:00] | Josh_: | Kurtism, does it seem like it's losing the channel lock on the tuner, or mabye the video card isn't using hardware rendering? |
| [02:00:06] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | Josh_: For ATSC, I use both a PCHDTV HD3000 and a HD5500... |
| [02:00:15] | Kurtism: | I think the video card isn't using hardware rendering |
| [02:00:21] | PatrickDK: | don't let iamlindoro hear you say fta |
| [02:00:44] | ** iamlindoro_ cracks his knuckles and gets ready for a round of corrections ** | |
| [02:00:53] | Kurtism: | the channel lock is there for sure but the video gets all wacky like it can't keep up with the stream of data or something |
| [02:01:05] | Josh_: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, I don't see those on the wiki, lemme look |
| [02:01:22] | iamlindoro_: | First off, the HVR 1600 is now supported and will work fine in Myth, just requires that you get update your linuxtv hg drivers |
| [02:01:43] | iamlindoro_: | secondly, do *not* ry to use ATI with Myth, ATI themselves state that MythTV is unsupported with their cards |
| [02:01:51] | Kurtism: | dang |
| [02:01:54] | Kurtism: | that sucks |
| [02:01:56] | iamlindoro_: | thirdly, there is no hardware acceleration of any kind on ATI cards in linux |
| [02:02:18] | iamlindoro_: | an FX 5200 is a faaaaaar better choice than any ATI card for Myth |
| [02:02:27] | Kurtism: | I see |
| [02:02:47] | Kurtism: | so I should get a different card.... I wonder if my onboard video is capable of displaying it. |
| [02:02:57] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | Heck, a 'legacy' GeForce 4 is better than an ATI card! ;-) |
| [02:02:58] | Josh_: | Do they make a Dual Tuner (both digital) card for ATSC? |
| [02:03:12] | iamlindoro_: | The HDHomeRun |
| [02:03:13] | PatrickDK: | not that I have seen |
| [02:03:22] | iamlindoro_: | not a card, but dual tuner |
| [02:03:22] | PatrickDK: | I haven't check the hdhomerun :) |
| [02:03:49] | iamlindoro_: | Now back to Hockey, go Sharks! |
| [02:04:07] | Josh_: | Weird, RJ45 ethernet dual tuner |
| [02:04:14] | Kurtism: | unofficially has anybody managed to get mythtv working with their ati x800? |
| [02:04:30] | Kurtism: | or is it completely impossible at this point |
| [02:05:37] | PatrickDK: | heh, I think that is nice :) |
| [02:05:44] | PatrickDK: | better than running full backends |
| [02:06:19] | PatrickDK: | kurtism, I'm sure it's *possible* |
| [02:06:33] | PatrickDK: | but it's probably not going be pretty, and the osd is probably not going work at all |
| [02:07:05] | Kurtism: | well so far I have gotten the osd to work, the only problem is the display of actual video is all slow and glitchy |
| [02:07:33] | PatrickDK: | ya, drivers can't support the fast enough video stream |
| [02:07:41] | Josh_: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel, is this what you use? http://cgi.ebay.com/BBTI-Technisat-AirStar-HD . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [02:07:43] | iamlindoro_: | That's more or less par for the course with ATI-- there's no Xv in the ATI drivers, so it's analogous to running it with the VESA driver |
| [02:07:44] | PatrickDK: | your screwed |
| [02:08:20] | PatrickDK: | heh, the hdhomerun isn't even a bad price |
| [02:08:28] | Kurtism: | thanks |
| [02:09:42] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | Josh_: No – http://pchdtv.com — I've got an older HD3000, and a newer HD5500 |
| [02:09:54] | Josh_: | oh, ok |
| [02:12:01] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | Josh_: Sorry – I should have given you the link earlier... I'm working on my myth box atm... so doing a couple of things at once... ;-) |
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| [02:14:11] | leprechau: | anyone know of a plugin or some third party code that let's you build playlists for video like the mythtv music side does? |
| [02:19:00] | Kurtism: | I just read that xv is no longer updated |
| [02:19:08] | Kurtism: | since 1994 |
| [02:21:55] | iamlindoro: | You're getting bad info, you're reading about some similarly named but not the same piece of software |
| [02:22:00] | PatrickDK: | leprechau, that is easy :) |
| [02:22:09] | Kurtism: | ah I see |
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| [02:22:14] | leprechau: | PatrickDK, do tell ;} |
| [02:22:19] | PatrickDK: | find . -name "*.video" – print > playlist |
| [02:22:30] | leprechau: | hehe |
| [02:22:31] | iamlindoro: | Xv = XVideo video Output extension-- not a piece of software unto itself, it's a video output method for X11 |
| [02:22:41] | leprechau: | yeah I know I can generate mplayer playlists |
| [02:22:42] | PatrickDK: | then do something like for .pls files, run mplayer --playlist %s |
| [02:22:45] | leprechau: | and add a file type |
| [02:22:51] | Kurtism: | ah I see |
| [02:22:58] | PatrickDK: | hehe :) |
| [02:23:00] | leprechau: | but I was wondering if there was anything where I could do it with my remote |
| [02:23:01] | leprechau: | :} |
| [02:24:03] | PatrickDK: | I only use playlists for the kids |
| [02:24:13] | leprechau: | same here for the most part |
| [02:24:17] | leprechau: | cartoon show eps |
| [02:24:20] | Kurtism: | thanks iamlindoro |
| [02:24:25] | leprechau: | dora...totally spies...that kind of stuff |
| [02:24:25] | iamlindoro: | yup |
| [02:24:36] | leprechau: | but....sometimes i download xvids that are multi part |
| [02:24:41] | leprechau: | cd1/cd2 and whatnot |
| [02:24:51] | leprechau: | and now I just avimerge em before dropping them in my media share |
| [02:25:05] | leprechau: | but If i could playlist them with my remote I wouldn't have to do that |
| [02:25:07] | PatrickDK: | heh? downloading crap bittorent |
| [02:25:32] | leprechau: | ohh no....not torrent |
| [02:25:38] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | iamlindoro: Almost got my new system fully up & running... ;-) All the data is preserved, and all the recordings... now just to check that the tuners are setup right, and I have the disks mounted right at boot... |
| [02:25:49] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: Nice, must be a relief |
| [02:26:40] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | iamlindoro: Yeah... It'll be nice to have it all up and running 100% again... ;-) With 2.5TB of recording space too... ;-) |
| [02:27:42] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | iamlindoro: I do have to move my shelf down 2" from the cieling though — this monolith case doesn't fit between the cieling and the shelf... ;-) |
| [02:28:01] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: Minor, though, sounds like the hard work is done |
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| [02:31:31] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | iamlindoro: Do you think my current 600W supply will be sufficient for 10 HDD's? That's a total of less than 10A for the 12v side and 6A for 5V, and the supply is rated at 36A for 12v and 30A for 5v .... |
| [02:32:13] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: I think it'll probably be fine, but I suppose it's anyone's guess |
| [02:32:21] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | iamlindoro: So that leave 26A of 12v power and 24A of 5v power for the motherboard and cards, and |
| [02:32:24] | PatrickDK: | what kind of cpu? |
| [02:32:38] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | PatrickDK: Athlon 64 X2 4800+ |
| [02:32:47] | PatrickDK: | should be more than enough |
| [02:33:07] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | That's good to know... ;-) |
| [02:33:45] | PatrickDK: | heh, I have some hp blade servers |
| [02:33:53] | PatrickDK: | I'm suprised they are only using 820watts |
| [02:34:11] | PatrickDK: | for 3 dual-quad core 2.6ghz, each with dual 15k sas drives, and 16gig ram each |
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| [02:34:44] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | PatrickDK: Those are probably 2.5" SAS drives, right? |
| [02:34:57] | PatrickDK: | yep |
| [02:35:54] | PatrickDK: | I'm not comparing yours to them though :) |
| [02:36:12] | PatrickDK: | I seem to be doing power budget plans for stuff all the time |
| [02:36:17] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | PatrickDK: I was blown away when I heard that you can use SATA drives with SAS controllers... At first I thought the guy telling me it was stupid, but after I researched it, I was surprised... Makes sense though... |
| [02:37:12] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | PatrickDK: Now if I could only come up with the $800+ for a SAS raid controller... ;-) Nah, I'll spend it on other hardware first... ;-) |
| [02:37:21] | PatrickDK: | I have one server loaded with 6 sata drives, really thinking I should of gone sas for it now |
| [02:38:15] | PatrickDK: | I got two, 2u servers recently, and loaded them with 6 500gig sata drives, did a raid10, so it's 1.5tb usable |
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| [02:39:10] | PatrickDK: | I get great read speed, but random write speeds sucks :( |
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| [02:40:07] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | PatrickDK: Yeah, I would do raid10, but chose to have the extra disk space with raid5... currently 3x500GB, adding my old 3x500GB to it too to bring it up to ~2.5TB... ;-) |
| [02:41:39] | PatrickDK: | heh, I almost completely hate raid5 |
| [02:41:52] | PatrickDK: | I do have one raid5 setup, that I will do away with when I can |
| [02:42:12] | PatrickDK: | but that is actually 9 drives, 3 drives per raid5, and then those 3 raid0, so a raid50 setup |
| [02:42:36] | PatrickDK: | I really hate the fact that a single drive failure slows it down to 20% of it's normal speed |
| [02:43:40] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | PatrickDK: Yeah, I hear ya... I'll probably switch over to raid 10 when I can afford more drives... ;-) |
| [02:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | why would you do a raid5 of just 3 drives ?? |
| [02:44:22] | GreyFoxx: | You loose 1 drive for parity |
| [02:44:31] | GreyFoxx: | why not a raid5 or 4 or 5 drives ? |
| [02:44:42] | PatrickDK: | like I said, raid5 sucks |
| [02:44:47] | PatrickDK: | so a large raid5 array just sucks more |
| [02:44:52] | GreyFoxx: | pfft |
| [02:44:56] | PatrickDK: | 1 drive fails |
| [02:45:01] | PatrickDK: | drive speed goes down 80% |
| [02:45:10] | PatrickDK: | server is overloaded like hell now |
| [02:45:12] | GreyFoxx: | Can't say I've Ever noticed the speed differential you describe |
| [02:45:12] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | GreyFoxx: I only had 3x500's initially... But I bought 3 more for the new system.. |
| [02:45:48] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | GreyFoxx: So that'll bring it up to 6... |
| [02:45:55] | PatrickDK: | greyfoxx, you must get lucky, and do sequentual reads, and it fits in the buffer |
| [02:46:34] | GreyFoxx: | PatrickDK: I use software raid5 on dozens (and over the years hundreds) or servers including mail servers serving 40k+ clients and never run into the problem you describe |
| [02:46:52] | GreyFoxx: | I must be quite lucky :) |
| [02:46:57] | PatrickDK: | I have never run software raid |
| [02:47:01] | GreyFoxx: | ahh ok |
| [02:47:17] | GreyFoxx: | I've been unhappy with every single hardware raid experience I've ever had |
| [02:47:21] | PatrickDK: | always been hardware, or netapp/emc |
| [02:48:26] | PatrickDK: | I dunno how many email clients I'm handling |
| [02:48:34] | PatrickDK: | I know it's 19k domains now |
| [02:49:16] | GreyFoxx: | Our current setup at work is going 60k clients, was 40 last I checked. hurray for growth |
| [02:49:51] | iamlindoro_: | Kurtism: to answer your question from #linuxtv, yes, there used to be, but I haven't heard of anyone doing it for a very long time so who knows if it still works. |
| [02:50:03] | Kurtism: | interesting |
| [02:50:50] | iamlindoro_: | Anyone tried Myth fb support in the last... um, ever? Kurtism wants to know if it still works. |
| [02:51:22] | iamlindoro_: | It is by far a simpler solution just to spend $30 on an cheap Nvidia card and stop trying to wrestle with ATI |
| [02:51:57] | Kurtism: | yeah, true enough... do you know of any good cards with hdmi ports on them that will work? |
| [02:52:15] | Kurtism: | so I can output 720p video |
| [02:52:19] | Kurtism: | or even 1080p |
| [02:52:58] | iamlindoro_: | Why not buy a card with DVI and just use a DVI-HDMI cable? |
| [02:53:11] | GreyFoxx: | I don't think we're all thatr far behind |
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| [02:53:28] | Kurtism: | yeah that would work too |
| [02:54:14] | iamlindoro_: | You can pretty much double the price of any given card to get the same thing with HDMI, and no additional functionality besides audio. Any Nvidia card 5200 or better will operate identically in myth |
| [02:54:37] | iamlindoro_: | No difference between a 5200 and a 9600 when it comes to Myth |
| [02:54:43] | Kurtism: | cool, have you out put 1080p on your 5200? |
| [02:54:55] | Kurtism: | output |
| [02:55:01] | PatrickDK: | I dunno that the fx5200 has the bandwidth for 1080p |
| [02:55:08] | PatrickDK: | but it has been awhile since I calculated that |
| [02:55:19] | iamlindoro_: | Assuming you use any interface *besides* PCI, it will be fine |
| [02:56:18] | Kurtism: | my one board is agp, and my new one which I was planning on using the onboard hdmi but that's an ati 1250 integrated graphics chip so I'm hosed with that one too so I'll have to get a seperate pci express video card |
| [02:56:25] | iamlindoro_: | The sweet spot for price and taking full advantage of driver features is probably a 6xxx or 7xxx card |
| [02:56:44] | PatrickDK: | you would need atleast 4x agp |
| [02:56:56] | Kurtism: | I've got 8x agp on that board |
| [02:57:04] | Kurtism: | its an athlonxp 3200+ |
| [02:57:10] | Kurtism: | 1.5 gigs of ram |
| [02:57:29] | Kurtism: | my newer pc is an Athlon X2 4400+ with 2gigs of ram |
| [02:57:36] | iamlindoro_: | PCIe will be fine, as would 8x AGP, you shouldn't have any issues with a middle of the road Nvidia card |
| [02:57:43] | iamlindoro_: | and the proprietary driver, of course |
| [02:58:00] | PatrickDK: | hell, just get an geforce 6200 |
| [02:58:25] | iamlindoro_: | I think that's a good suggestion |
| [02:58:34] | Kurtism: | it sucks that the directx10 screwed over xv |
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| [02:58:39] | iamlindoro_: | Good price, full features, no worries about the silicon |
| [02:59:03] | Lynet: | Is nvidia the only cards that can use vsync timing? |
| [02:59:43] | iamlindoro_: | I would presume Intel would work w/ OpenGL vsync too |
| [03:00:34] | Kurtism: | ok well, this is both saddening and enlightening... it means my current hardware is junk... but I now have a little more direction. |
| [03:04:36] | squish102: | if i have the time of the recording invalid, and FF jumps all over the place and then suddenly to the end. should i run a "mythcommflag --all --rebuild" to fix it? |
| [03:05:11] | squish102: | the recording will show 3:40 and it should only be 1:30 |
| [03:05:47] | squish102: | this is after running removecommercials, not sure if that makes a difference... i'm running a test without removecommercials |
| [03:05:52] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | squish102: I think that's fixed the issue for me in the past... But I can't say with 100% certainty... ;-) |
| [03:06:20] | squish102: | i hope it is remove commercials that is screwing it up |
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| [03:07:50] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | squish102: I haven't setup a script like that as I haven't seen the commercial detection being 100% accurate yet... it's really, really close, but not quite 100% (and probably will never be, due to the changing ways they're doing things nowadays...) |
| [03:09:04] | squish102: | maybe i should switch it off and get mythtv to skip commercials... the attempt to set up a frontend using upnp didn't work, so now i have a pc FE |
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| [03:09:37] | PatrickDK: | heh, commskip is like 80% for me, plunty good for my taste |
| [03:09:44] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | squish102: Yeah, I've got a couple of UPnP players, and they just don't compare to a full FE... ;-) |
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| [03:10:06] | PatrickDK: | some channels do are doing some beta anti-commskip stuff, that is just plain strange |
| [03:11:35] | squish102: | so do u have pieces of the shows cut out? |
| [03:11:46] | squish102: | or just some extra commercials |
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| [03:12:10] | PatrickDK: | heh? you don't cut out peices, unless your transcoding |
| [03:12:23] | PatrickDK: | I just sometimes see a commercial, and ff |
| [03:12:35] | PatrickDK: | I haven't had it skip the actual program yet |
| [03:12:40] | PatrickDK: | since I readjusted my settings |
| [03:13:01] | EnderTheThird: | Any of you guys know a way to test LAN throughput w/o just transferring something via the file manager? I'm getting < 1MB/s transfer speeds and I'm not sure if it's Ubuntu or the network itself. |
| [03:13:39] | squish102: | PatrickDK the removecommercials script does a lossless transcoding |
| [03:13:46] | squish102: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Script_-_RemoveCommercials |
| [03:13:52] | PatrickDK: | ya, I don't remove them |
| [03:13:57] | PatrickDK: | I dunno why you would want to |
| [03:15:53] | squish102: | well i have some upnp clients attached to other tv's in the house and they use mythtv's upnp server to stream the recordings, so cutting them out stops having to FF through commercials |
| [03:16:42] | squish102: | actually, correction, i now use ushare's upnp server as mythtv's one didnt work to good for me |
| [03:24:09] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | EnderTheThird: I've used 'netperf' before... |
| [03:25:10] | EnderTheThird: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: Thanks. I'll check it out. |
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| [03:28:53] | JoeyJoeJo: | where in .21 can I change UPnP options? |
| [03:29:28] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | JoeyJoeJo: What options? It's just a simple 'file server' interface, to your existing recordings/videos/music... |
| [03:29:51] | EnderTheThird: | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: I think that worked. 12–15 MBit. What is realistic for a "100 MBit" connection? |
| [03:30:20] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | EnderTheThird: About that... 100Mb /8bits = about that... ;-) |
| [03:31:07] | JoeyJoeJo: | JeffA|wintel: All I know is that on .20.2 I could see my backend's UPnP on my PS3, and now in .21 I can't |
| [03:31:13] | EnderTheThird: | Ah, I wasn't sure how close the actual throughput was for wired. I know wireless it's quite a bit lower. Looks like I need to try making a new network cable. |
| [03:31:34] | EnderTheThird: | Thanks for the info. Media server doesn't work too great on a 15 MBit connection, heh. |
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| [03:32:15] | J-e-f-f-A|wintel: | JoeyJoeJo: Are you running 0.21-fixes? I think I remember seeing a fix for that... |
| [03:32:33] | JoeyJoeJo: | jeffa: I'm running whatever is in portage... I |
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| [03:32:47] | JoeyJoeJo: | 'll do a sync and see if that does it |
| [03:35:00] | ** J-e-f-f-A|wintel "Portage" is what a redneck sees when he looks at the back of his "Hard Drive"... ;-) ** | |
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| [04:06:22] | furry_roadkill: | anyone here be able to answer some questions for a noob? |
| [04:10:46] | ** jamesd__ refuses to answer any question untill it is asked. ** | |
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| [04:22:56] | Eemak: | hi |
| [04:23:20] | Eemak: | help plz, i get occasional video pause when using mythtv playback, but if i use gmplayer on the recordings it works fine |
| [04:26:44] | fuzzy_roadkill: | can mythtv be instaled on a windows box? |
| [04:29:38] | Eemak: | if you install linux on it:) |
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| [04:43:05] | cesman: | Eemak: check your logs |
| [04:43:18] | Eemak: | nothing:( |
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| [05:57:00] | clever: | this is screwed up |
| [05:57:10] | clever: | frontend is blowing up every time i open the recording list now |
| [05:57:28] | clever: | ASSERT failure in QList<T>::operator[]: "index out of range", file /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h, line 394 |
| [05:57:34] | clever: | Aborted (core dumped) |
| [05:59:47] | clever: | 2008-04–21 02:55:51.414 write -> 32 '21 MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 40' |
| [05:59:48] | clever: | 2008-04–21 02:55:58.422 MythSocket(83153c0:32:192.168.1.60): readStringList: Error, timeout (quick). |
| [05:59:52] | clever: | that might be related |
| [06:00:13] | clever: | 2008-04–21 01:02:22.190 HttpComms::done() – NetworkOperation Error on Finish: Request aborted (1): url: 'http://192.168.1.60:6544/Myth' |
| [06:00:16] | clever: | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| [06:00:18] | clever: | master seems to have blown up |
| [06:00:23] | clever: | causing everything else to blow up |
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| [08:44:08] | justinh: | found out something interesting bout sagetv for uk users at the weekend. NO EPG built in. har har de har har |
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| [10:00:03] | justinh: | oh please God. Not mention of gstreamer for use in the frontend |
| [10:00:30] | justinh: | fluendo & their fecking evil ways creeping into all sorts of things |
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| [12:46:08] | wayneandleanne: | anybody got apple trailers working?? |
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| [13:37:18] | mikeones: | anyone running a current svn build of ffmpeg with mythtv svn trunk and getting segfaults from ffmpeg while runnng nuvexport? |
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| [13:45:18] | i_is_cat: | i cant seem to get the volume knob on my antec fusion case to work with mythtv |
| [13:45:33] | i_is_cat: | my remote works and irw shows codes for both the remote and the knob, the knob is in the lircrc file and set to volume but it does nothing |
| [13:45:46] | i_is_cat: | anyone know whats the deal is? |
| [13:48:36] | kleetus: | i_is_cat: i am looking for a case, would you recommend this one? |
| [13:49:13] | i_is_cat: | yep i sure would |
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| [13:49:29] | i_is_cat: | its very well built in my opinion |
| [13:49:43] | kleetus: | i_is_cat: thanks |
| [13:50:19] | i_is_cat: | laid out nicely inside with big silent fans placed in optimal positions, only room for two drives unless you get a 5.25" to 3.5" and put a third behind the lcd (they say not to in the manual but there is space so i dont see why not) |
| [13:50:54] | i_is_cat: | only fits micro-atx or smaller type boards but there are quite a few of those ones with full features |
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| [13:51:01] | kleetus: | i_is_cat: prolly heat considerations |
| [13:51:46] | i_is_cat: | thats what i was thinking but the whole case is quite well aerated and ventilated and has nice big fans.. unless the lcd is really touchy about the heat directly behind it i dont really see it being a concern |
| [13:52:06] | kleetus: | i_is_cat: i am getting ready to fire up the silicon dust hdhomerun |
| [13:52:17] | kleetus: | i_is_cat: any experience with this? |
| [13:52:58] | i_is_cat: | never heard of it.. i just googled it and it looks quite interesting |
| [13:53:24] | kleetus: | i_is_cat: yeah, i will post my results |
| [13:53:26] | Kurtism: | iamlindoro: I managed to get myth working with my x800 pro this morning, I couldn't get the fglrx drivers to work but I did manage to get the non-ati driver to work... I used overlay option in xorg.conf ... though this may still in the end prove to not give the best jitterfree quality. |
| [13:54:14] | i_is_cat: | sounds good kleetus i'm interested to hear more about it |
| [13:54:43] | kleetus: | i_is_cat: i got it to watch tv while i work in my office |
| [13:55:25] | i_is_cat: | Kurtism, what distro? fglrx works quite well now.. at least the install and having 3D functionality but the quality of 3D i find to be horrendous |
| [13:55:48] | i_is_cat: | so whats it do exactly kleetus? take your tv signal and stream it across the network for any system to pick up and watch? |
| [13:55:49] | Kurtism: | I'm using debian |
| [13:56:18] | Kurtism: | when I install the fglrx I find as soon as I switch to console the whole box freezes up |
| [13:56:22] | i_is_cat: | Kurtism, i'm sorry i have never used debian before so i wouldnt know where to begin with the fglrx drivers on there but i did get it working with slackware 12.. |
| [13:56:26] | Kurtism: | using ctrl+alt+f1 |
| [13:56:44] | kleetus: | i_is_cat: it takes OTA HD or cable unencrypted streams and puts the mpeg2 directly onto your ethernet home network |
| [13:56:47] | Kurtism: | did you just execute the .run file from ati? |
| [13:57:03] | i_is_cat: | for the most part ya |
| [13:57:07] | kleetus: | i_is_cat: it has 2 HD tuners |
| [13:57:20] | i_is_cat: | kleetus, that sounds like a nice piece of hardware :D |
| [13:57:37] | kleetus: | i_is_cat: i have not fired it up yet, but we shall see |
| [13:57:48] | i_is_cat: | yes i am definately interested now hehe |
| [13:59:03] | i_is_cat: | the problem with the fglrx driver was the config if i remember correctly |
| [13:59:14] | i_is_cat: | it needed to be configured properly or it just did weird things |
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| [13:59:48] | Kurtism: | hmmmm |
| [13:59:57] | Kurtism: | yes mine must have had config problems |
| [14:00:02] | Kurtism: | I would love to get it working |
| [14:00:02] | i_is_cat: | i remember a couple of times seemingly random, it would stop displaying 3d entirely unless i startx as root first then logout and back in as user again.. that was a permission problem set somewhere |
| [14:00:24] | Kurtism: | well I couldn't even get fglrxinfo to display info |
| [14:00:31] | Kurtism: | it would say something like "no host" or some crap |
| [14:00:51] | i_is_cat: | have you tried the #ati channel? the guys in there set me straight when i was seriously stuck |
| [14:01:18] | Kurtism: | nope not yet, I will |
| [14:01:56] | i_is_cat: | ya a couple of times i had to idle a while but theres a few users in there who seem to know the driver like the back of their hand and dont mind helping you out at all unlike a lot of people in a lot of other chans.... |
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| [15:34:37] | ajh: | Upgraded my FE box from 7.10 to 8.04 last night, a whole pile of error messages and issues went away including the audio changed one. |
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| [15:47:30] | __hugo_alt: | hello |
| [15:48:27] | __hugo_alt: | I just upgraded to the latest SVN version and I wondered, is the Teletext screen size configurable now somewhere? Because I'm used to having it "full-screen" so the teletext subtitles work, etc. |
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| [17:49:32] | Vantage13: | hi, i've suddenly started having a weird schedules direct problem. After months of working fine, it suddenly returns a 401 when pulling channels. I've logged into my account and its not set to expire until june |
| [17:49:38] | Vantage13: | I actually get the following |
| [17:49:43] | Vantage13: | Resolving webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com... 206.18.98.175Connecting to webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com|206.18.98.175|:80... connected.HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 UnauthorizedReusing existing connection to webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com:80.HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OKLength: unspecified [text/xml] |
| [17:49:54] | Vantage13: | and it downloads something, but the guide doesn't get updated... |
| [17:49:58] | kormoc: | that's noraml |
| [17:50:14] | kormoc: | it's been doing that first failure for years |
| [17:50:35] | Vantage13: | any idea why i'm not getting any guide info in that case? |
| [17:51:15] | kormoc: | you need to post up the full mythfilldatabase log |
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| [17:53:54] | Vantage13: | kormoc: http://pastebin.com/d3015ea08 |
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| [17:57:52] | kormoc: | Vantage13, why using a cronjob? mythbackend can run the mythfilldatabase itself and is the prefered way. Your cron script doesn't seem to finish the job, it seems to only download the data |
| [17:58:46] | Vantage13: | kormoc: that's the default why of handling it for debian packages. The cron just runs "su – mythtv -c "mythfilldatabase --quiet --remove-new-channels"" |
| [17:58:54] | Vantage13: | er s/why/way/ |
| [17:59:10] | kormoc: | well, it's not outputting the 'updating the database' lines that it should |
| [17:59:40] | Vantage13: | is that because of the --quiet? |
| [17:59:46] | kormoc: | and it's in bad taste. Part of the code in myth is to run the grabber at a time specified by the source, you ignore that in the crontab style |
| [17:59:50] | kormoc: | perhaps |
| [17:59:52] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [18:00:15] | Vantage13: | I'll try running it manually and see what happens |
| [18:00:50] | Vantage13: | without --quiet and --remove-new-channels |
| [18:05:35] | Vantage13: | kormoc: I think I got it. One of the tables was marked crashed. Repairing it now |
| [18:06:00] | PatrickDK: | heh, I my mythbackend doesn't seem to be running mythfilldatabase anymore |
| [18:06:07] | PatrickDK: | so I just turned it off and cron'ed it |
| [18:07:15] | Vantage13: | kormoc: and fixed! Thanks! |
| [18:07:32] | kormoc: | you're welcome :) |
| [18:09:01] | Anduin: | PatrickDK: The frontend would run it |
| [18:09:40] | PatrickDK: | auduin, what frontend? |
| [18:09:43] | PatrickDK: | I have 4 frontends |
| [18:09:49] | PatrickDK: | and none of them where running it |
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| [18:10:07] | kormoc: | PatrickDK, cause you didn't tell one of them to run it |
| [18:10:20] | PatrickDK: | kormoc, all 4 of them where told to run it :) |
| [18:12:28] | PatrickDK: | MythFillEnabled,1,null |
| [18:12:44] | PatrickDK: | it seems to be set globally, not per frontend |
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| [18:14:07] | Anduin: | PatrickDK: That should have done it, the backend hosekeeper actually runs it but the setting needs to be on, though pesky things like the log location can stop it. |
| [18:14:50] | PatrickDK: | <Anduin> PatrickDK: The frontend would run it |
| [18:14:57] | PatrickDK: | so now you say the frontend doesn't run it? |
| [18:15:11] | PatrickDK: | make up your damned mind, or don't give advise |
| [18:15:35] | Anduin: | PatrickDK: the frontend controls the setting, I realized it was poorly worded |
| [18:16:04] | Anduin: | PatrickDK: and I'll be more than happy to not help you |
| [18:16:23] | PatrickDK: | I don't remember asking for help |
| [18:19:01] | Anduin: | Yes, people often come in here to complain that something doesn't work just to get it off their chest, no expectations involving a solution. |
| [18:20:49] | PatrickDK: | dunno, I've been using mythtv for the last 3 years |
| [18:20:54] | PatrickDK: | and been in here for the last 4 months |
| [18:21:40] | PatrickDK: | the fact that mythfilldatabase stopped working for me, is probably cause the system it's on is completely trashed and needs a reinstall |
| [18:21:51] | PatrickDK: | therefor I didn't complain or bitch about it at all, but just fixed it |
| [18:22:15] | PatrickDK: | that was a month ago |
| [18:24:51] | fysa: | LEAVE |
| [18:25:38] | fysa: | whhoops |
| [18:30:03] | wayneandleanne: | hi all, got a question for you all, how can i get mtd to start at boot? |
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| [18:38:40] | Hoxzer: | http://pastebin.com/m4d06f0b8 :/ Shouldn't that come with python bindings ? |
| [18:38:59] | Hoxzer: | (from mythtv not mythplugins) |
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| [18:41:12] | wayneandleanne: | does anybody know how to grow a xfs partition without losing data? |
| [18:41:43] | keith4: | growing without losing data is often the easy part. it's shrinking that's risky |
| [18:41:56] | iamlindoro__: | http://freon.chem.swin.edu.au/library/SGI_boo . . . 49326-PARENT |
| [18:42:09] | JohnMahowald: | I have only grown ext3 fs |
| [18:42:32] | wayneandleanne: | can anybody recomend a way to grow a xfs |
| [18:42:51] | kormoc: | wayneandleanne, bet google can |
| [18:42:54] | ** iamlindoro__ points at his link and frowns. ** | |
| [18:43:48] | keith4: | apparently gparted can do it |
| [18:43:49] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, he might not be using xlv |
| [18:44:04] | keith4: | might want to ask in #your-distro |
| [18:44:28] | kormoc: | keith4, the correct answer is, what is xfs_growfs |
| [18:44:42] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, I believe that link covers both (I think you just skip the XLV step) |
| [18:44:51] | kormoc: | iamlindoro__, ahh |
| [18:45:15] | iamlindoro__: | that said, sounds like you know xfs better than I, the link is s result of google-fu alone :) |
| [18:45:28] | keith4: | kormoc: dammit, i always forget to phrase my answer as a question |
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| [18:45:48] | wayneandleanne: | iamlindoro_) cheers for the link |
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| [18:45:57] | iamlindoro__: | np |
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| [18:46:40] | iamlindoro__: | like JohnMahowald, I think I've only ever grown e3fs |
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| [18:50:57] | Hoxzer: | where does find_meta.py look for MythTV.py or MythDB.py ? |
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| [18:51:50] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: the usual python search path (/usr/lib/python/site-packages/MythTV probably) |
| [18:52:21] | Hoxzer: | yes, it is :\ |
| [18:52:56] | Hoxzer: | Hmm,MythTV module cannot be initialized, MythDB importing disabled. |
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| [18:53:22] | Hoxzer: | MythDB.py MythLog.py MythTV.py MythVideo.py __init__.py |
| [18:53:45] | Hoxzer: | That is the content of my /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/MythTV/ Imho it should work. However all I did was to copy that from svn source |
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| [18:55:58] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: make install should have installed it to the correct location, you have a recent revision? |
| [18:56:14] | Hoxzer: | Yes I do. I was wondering why it iddn't too |
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| [18:56:56] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: should go to mythtv/bindings/python and make install, check for errors |
| [18:58:02] | Hoxzer: | Anduin: yes, it is possibel tthat errors occured because I usually use a script to compile :\ |
| [18:58:23] | Hoxzer: | Anduin: It is installed from Mythtv source and not from mythplugins right ? |
| [18:58:32] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: Yes |
| [18:59:45] | Dagmar: | "usually" == fail |
| [18:59:45] | FinnTux: | Hoxzer, found any solution to the translation file problem? |
| [18:59:51] | Dagmar: | "always" == win |
| [19:00:49] | Hoxzer: | FinnTux: nope |
| [19:01:51] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: I didn't see anything invalid in the qm file, you should open a ticket. |
| [19:01:59] | mkrufky: | *news flash* HVR950 works in v4l-dvb master repository now — no more "experimental" branch, and it will go to 2.6.26 |
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| [19:04:31] | Hoxzer: | Anduin: note that the segfaults are happening only when mythvideo has been installed. |
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| [19:04:52] | ** FinnTux confirms that ** | |
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| [19:05:23] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: Yeah, that is why I was interested, well part of why. |
| [19:08:03] | Anduin: | If either of you open a ticket file it against mythvideo |
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| [19:24:27] | Hoxzer: | Hmm, I noticed that if I copy paste the Test MythDB excistence thing from find_meta.py it appears to find it O_o |
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| [19:50:57] | Hoxzer: | Ok, I noticed that if I run the excistence this inside mythvideo/scripts dir it doesn't find MythDB |
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| [19:53:01] | Hoxzer: | Fixed I think. |
| [19:53:54] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: did you have old files in the directory (pre moving to bindings)? |
| [19:55:54] | Anduin: | I cannot reproduce the crash with mythfrontend -O Language=fi |
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| [19:57:53] | Hoxzer: | Anduin: Yes, I think it was because I had wrong files in mythvideo/scripts. I deleted MythTV.py it looks like it workins |
| [19:59:47] | Hoxzer: | Anduin: Wait, ... |
| [20:00:03] | Hoxzer: | Anduin: I was talking about my python problem it has nothing to do with qm |
| [20:00:37] | clever: | svn revert or svn update can fix that |
| [20:00:40] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: Yes, I understand, I just tried to reproduce the fi crash |
| [20:00:53] | Hoxzer: | wait a sec. |
| [20:01:25] | clever: | (the deleted file) |
| [20:01:35] | nicholas_: | I'm having trouble finding playback settings which cope well with video corruption – if I had bad DVB-T reception for a few moments, the video is corrupt, but from then on, the audio sync is off by a few seconds. Saving position, going back to the menu, then playing again makes the audio sync go back to normal. |
| [20:01:57] | clever: | nicholas_: have you tried rewind also? |
| [20:02:15] | clever: | i get similar problems when playing 'damaged' files from unfinished torrents |
| [20:02:28] | clever: | any kind of seeking(ff/rw) tends to fix it |
| [20:02:40] | nicholas_: | clever: no. I tried pausing and playing again, that doesn't help. I'll go downstairs in a moment and try rewinding and playing again. |
| [20:03:04] | kormoc: | clever, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IRC#Bittorrent |
| [20:03:17] | clever: | when you seek(resuming to saved or ff/rw) its forced to find the sync again and fixes it |
| [20:03:32] | clever: | kormoc: lets just say these shows are public content:P |
| [20:03:52] | nicholas_: | I was hoping to find a setting that would keep it in sync while we're just watching. Low WAF (and for me too...) otherwise :-/ |
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| [20:07:33] | natoka: | nicholas_: you could use ffmpeg to fix the corrupt files |
| [20:08:26] | Hoxzer: | Anduin: ok.... O_o I hate to say this but I dont seem to get it segfault anymore either.... |
| [20:08:55] | nicholas_: | natoka: so if I generally leave things to transcode overnight, the next day the experience will be better? |
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| [20:09:55] | natoka: | nicholas_: well the best solution would probably be to fix your antenna |
| [20:10:15] | natoka: | nicholas_: otherwise you'll have to stick to transcoding |
| [20:10:27] | nicholas_: | natoka: it's generally very good, but I've never seen _perfect_ reception, even with our Sky STB |
| [20:11:03] | natoka: | nicholas_: and it always gets out of sync? |
| [20:11:18] | Hoxzer: | Anduin: I recompile mythtv now |
| [20:11:27] | nicholas_: | no, Sky (the commercial UK satellite system) never gets out of sync |
| [20:11:36] | nicholas_: | picture just breaks up for a moment, then it's all back to normal |
| [20:12:08] | natoka: | hmm, interesting |
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| [20:12:31] | nicholas_: | although I'm using DVB-T here, not DVB-S. I'm using Sky in parallel to MythTV, to decide if I can switch... |
| [20:12:40] | natoka: | do you see such break ups on a standalone receiver too? |
| [20:12:55] | natoka: | or are those break ups pc related? |
| [20:12:57] | nicholas_: | I'm going to play the mpeg2 with mplayer, to see if that copes better with keeping audio in sync during mpeg2 corruption |
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| [20:14:11] | nicholas_: | natoka: I've always seen breakups in the UK, with standalone DVB-T (and also Sky/DVB-S) receivers |
| [20:14:26] | nicholas_: | but all standalone hardware 'just copes' and audio carries on well |
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| [20:25:28] | tim1: | Hi i have lost all my recording and the hard drive is empty, how can i check what happened ? |
| [20:26:06] | KjetilK: | are there anything in /var/log ? |
| [20:26:22] | tim1: | my hard drive is not empty according to gparted !! |
| [20:26:43] | ** KjetilK isn't very experienced with this ** | |
| [20:26:54] | KjetilK: | but I would try to look in /var/log first |
| [20:26:55] | natoka: | tim1: so what? |
| [20:27:23] | tim1: | and cat /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log shows nothing |
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| [20:27:44] | KjetilK: | how about /var/log/syslog |
| [20:27:46] | KjetilK: | ? |
| [20:30:08] | tim1: | i have lots of stuf here |
| [20:30:21] | tim1: | nothing too specific thou |
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| [20:31:08] | KjetilK: | hard to say, then... |
| [20:31:15] | keith4: | check dmesg |
| [20:32:00] | tim1: | want some logs ? |
| [20:32:49] | KjetilK: | you could try to boot the box with the live CD (such as Knoppix or Ubuntu CDs), and then mount the partitions read only |
| [20:33:02] | KjetilK: | but hard to say if you don't know what to look for |
| [20:33:13] | tim1: | yeh http://pastebin.com/m44719e4a |
| [20:33:16] | tim1: | syslog |
| [20:33:25] | natoka: | well when gparted tells you that the partitions are still there, you probably lack the kernel modules to mount the filesysstem(s) ... |
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| [20:34:08] | Dagmar: | gparted should not be used on filesystems whose existance are in question. |
| [20:34:20] | tim1: | dmesg http://pastebin.com/m527c5a61 |
| [20:34:45] | tim1: | ok dagmar: I take note |
| [20:35:31] | tim1: | also why do i have all these lines in dmesg " Inbound IN=eth1 " |
| [20:35:49] | Dagmar: | None of that is useful, other than letting us know you don't have a hardware firewall. |
| [20:36:01] | tim1: | ok |
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| [20:36:29] | Dagmar: | WTF is with hdb |
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| [20:36:43] | Dagmar: | Why do you have a clipped drive? |
| [20:37:22] | tim1: | ribben drive ? |
| [20:37:32] | tim1: | its an IDE drive! |
| [20:37:36] | Dagmar: | No. Look at line 256. |
| [20:37:45] | tim1: | what log dmesg |
| [20:37:54] | Dagmar: | Regardless, none of that is useful. |
| [20:38:11] | tim1: | i have IDE and sata |
| [20:38:25] | keith4: | hah... stray jumper? |
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| [20:38:50] | Dagmar: | keith4: No, more likely an warranty replacement drive that was clipped at the factory |
| [20:38:59] | keith4: | ew |
| [20:38:59] | Dagmar: | HPA is entirely in software |
| [20:39:08] | tim1: | its the sata one thats not showing my recording note its also the only drive that has my recordings |
| [20:39:24] | Dagmar: | Either way, what we should be shown is what happens when the filesystems which are supposedly empty are mounted. |
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| [20:41:40] | tim1: | How can iIshow that. |
| [20:41:53] | Dagmar: | If all you can tell us is "there's no recordings" then we'll be forced to take you at your word and say "Then make some recordings" |
| [20:41:55] | natoka: | umount and the mount it |
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| [20:42:23] | tim1: | ok mount them manually |
| [20:42:38] | natoka: | and paste dmesg | tail -n50 somewhere then |
| [20:43:20] | ** KjetilK thinks lines 224–226 in the syslog looks a bit suspecious ** | |
| [20:43:24] | keith4: | tim1: pastebin the output of 'mount' |
| [20:43:54] | ** keith4 agrees with KjetilK ** | |
| [20:44:40] | KjetilK: | perhaps remounting as ext2 could be an idea? |
| [20:44:49] | Dagmar: | KjetilK: They can look suspicious all they want. They're an entirely separate issue |
| [20:45:11] | KjetilK: | perhaps |
| [20:45:25] | Dagmar: | If you want to explain to a total noob how to adjust the Host Protected Area of a disk (and gparted sure as hell doesn't do it) be my guest. |
| [20:45:40] | tim1: | i still have to find out whats the name of the drive :P |
| [20:45:48] | ** KjetilK will attempt no such thing :-) ** | |
| [20:46:00] | Dagmar: | So if you don't even know what the "name" of your drive is, how is it you think there's no recordings on it? |
| [20:46:09] | Dagmar: | ...and how did you put recordings on it in the first place. |
| [20:46:43] | tim1: | whats this cant be right sudo umount /dev/sda |
| [20:46:43] | tim1: | umount: /dev/sda: not mounted |
| [20:46:51] | Dagmar: | You don't mount /dev/sda. |
| [20:47:03] | Dagmar: | Type `mount -a` |
| [20:47:28] | ** keith4 smacks his forehead ** | |
| [20:47:48] | tim1: | can i paste of paste bin |
| [20:47:52] | keith4: | tim1: pastebin 'fdisk -l' and 'mount' |
| [20:47:56] | Dagmar: | ...and then `mount`. And pastebin the output of `mount` as well as the contents of /etc/fstab |
| [20:48:10] | keith4: | yah, do what Dagmar said |
| [20:48:39] | tim1: | this is going to shock |
| [20:48:42] | tim1: | http://pastebin.com/m688205b |
| [20:48:57] | ** keith4 sighs ** | |
| [20:49:13] | Dagmar: | Pastebin the contents of /etc/fstab |
| [20:49:36] | tim1: | sure |
| [20:50:40] | tim1: | http://pastebin.com/mfff6db9 |
| [20:50:50] | tim1: | *ducks |
| [20:51:21] | Dagmar: | Okay, so whoever put that fstab together is an ignorant asshole |
| [20:51:38] | keith4: | all zeros! yay |
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| [20:51:43] | tim1: | lmao |
| [20:51:46] | Dagmar: | Change the "0 0" at the end of the last line to "1 2" |
| [20:52:00] | tim1: | but its worked all these years ? |
| [20:52:02] | Dagmar: | Same for the line for /dev/hdb1 |
| [20:52:07] | keith4: | 1 2? |
| [20:52:19] | tim1: | ? |
| [20:52:23] | Dagmar: | tim1: Big effing deal. It's been dead wrong for a long time. |
| [20:52:34] | tim1: | ok ok |
| [20:52:36] | Dagmar: | You're just lucky that this hasn't wrecked filesystems before now. |
| [20:52:58] | Dagmar: | After that, do an `fsck /dev/sda1` and cross your fingers, light incense, pray etc. |
| [20:53:14] | keith4: | might want to use -y, even |
| [20:53:36] | tim1: | fsck /dev/sda1 -y |
| [20:53:47] | Dagmar: | How the hell those were EVER mounting correctly is just a matter of luck |
| [20:54:06] | KjetilK: | FWIW, I never use ext for this kind of files, usually, XFS |
| [20:54:52] | tim1: | hey i saw this on a how 2 |
| [20:55:01] | Dagmar: | Saw what? |
| [20:55:03] | keith4: | let me guess, on the ubuntu forums? |
| [20:55:05] | natoka: | KjetilK: then i hope you've got an ups, because xfs caches a lot |
| [20:55:11] | Dagmar: | How to hideously misconfigure your machine? |
| [20:55:18] | Dagmar: | That's got to be a Gentoo page |
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| [20:55:43] | Dagmar: | natoka: Which makes it different from any other filesystem in what way? |
| [20:55:59] | tim1: | drive is very busy =-O |
| [20:56:10] | KjetilK: | natoka: I have on some of my systems, but not on the myth box |
| [20:56:17] | KjetilK: | the files there are not that critical |
| [20:56:27] | Dagmar: | tim1: Well, perhaps it would have been better if you'd left off the -y so that fsck would have told you something, rather than just telling it "fix it now" |
| [20:56:29] | natoka: | Dagmar: hmm, let me think, ... the point with xfs is that it caches stuff heavily compared with ext3 and reiserfs |
| [20:56:49] | Dagmar: | natoka: So, which of those filesystems WON'T be damaged if you kill the fucking power while there's writes left to be done? |
| [20:57:24] | natoka: | Dagmar: well with xfs you're probably going to loose the most |
| [20:57:28] | Dagmar: | So what |
| [20:57:45] | Dagmar: | We're dealing with files the size of a gigabyte or larger. |
| [20:57:46] | natoka: | Dagmar: nothing, it's just a fact to be aware of when using it |
| [20:57:53] | Dagmar: | No, it was just FUD |
| [20:58:35] | Dagmar: | tim1: Pray you don't have a power failure while fsck is working. |
| [20:58:46] | tim1: | lmao |
| [20:58:56] | natoka: | Dagmar: for sure less FUD than your comment about gentoo howto pages ... |
| [20:59:03] | tim1: | i pay my electric with a meter any thing could happen |
| [20:59:07] | Dagmar: | There's a difference between FUD and snark. |
| [20:59:15] | tim1: | any way whats this ext3 journal has been deleted – filesystem is now ext2 only |
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| [20:59:32] | natoka: | Dagmar: be my guest and explain that one ... |
| [20:59:36] | Dagmar: | It's telling you that you've just lost some data. |
| [20:59:43] | Dagmar: | natoka: Learn to use Google. |
| [20:59:43] | stuarta: | why you would want to delete an ext3 journal is beyond me |
| [20:59:58] | ** KjetilK wasn't neither scared nor felt uncertain about his choice of file system :-) ** | |
| [21:00:26] | tim1: | check this out , Superblock doesn't have has_journal flag, but has ext3 journal inode. |
| [21:00:27] | tim1: | Clear? yes |
| [21:00:40] | keith4: | you can re-enable the journal later |
| [21:00:44] | Dagmar: | This is what happens when you tell fsck -y. |
| [21:00:48] | keith4: | ... if there's anything worth saving |
| [21:01:01] | tim1: | im scared |
| [21:01:08] | keith4: | he'd be there for 10 hours hitting "y" if he hadn't used -y |
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| [21:01:13] | Dagmar: | This is why you run it WITHOUT -y *first* so it can tell you what it's got in mind before it does things. |
| [21:01:27] | FAiDA is now known as open|FAiDA | |
| [21:01:37] | keith4: | are you going to sit here and answer every one of the "what does this question mean?" questions? |
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| [21:01:58] | Dagmar: | Of course not. It will exit when it finds problems if you run it against a filesystem with no arguments. |
| [21:02:00] | tim1: | yeh to save me data |
| [21:02:32] | Dagmar: | I just wanted him to have it *check* the filesystem |
| [21:02:43] | Dagmar: | What you told him made it *start repairing* |
| [21:03:14] | keith4: | he's screwed anyway, man |
| [21:03:15] | natoka: | Dagmar: well my rant about xfs is definitely not FUD |
| [21:03:19] | keith4: | better to get it over with |
| [21:03:35] | keith4: | tim1: where was the Howto? |
| [21:03:38] | natoka: | Dagmar: probably you should do some research first, *before* you start offending ... |
| [21:03:49] | keith4: | natoka: you must be new here ;-) |
| [21:04:03] | ** stuarta chuckles ** | |
| [21:04:09] | Dagmar: | natoka: You should probably drop it. |
| [21:04:53] | Dagmar: | On general principle, worrying about what happens to a filesystem when the power fails is pretty damn stupid. |
| [21:05:05] | keith4: | is there a #filesystems where we could argue this? |
| [21:05:11] | Dagmar: | If it matters, someone should be using a UPS or *making regular backups* |
| [21:05:19] | stuarta: | #/dev/null |
| [21:05:28] | kormoc: | keith4, you can just /join #filesystems and if it doesn't exist, it'll create the room |
| [21:05:57] | stuarta: | !trout kormoc irc has *channels* |
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| [21:06:00] | keith4: | oh, I don't want to argue it. i want the argument to go there |
| [21:06:23] | kormoc: | stuarta, heh, fair 'nuff... |
| [21:06:26] | stuarta: | :) |
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| [21:06:38] | Dagmar: | fsck is probably going to be chewing on his disk for _awhile_ |
| [21:06:49] | stuarta: | it's this perversion of the old ways that gets me... |
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| [21:07:22] | Dagmar: | keith4: BTW, I'm not 100% sure, but I suspect it might not have tossed out the journal if it had been passed -t ext3 |
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| [21:07:29] | tim1: | the how 2 was here http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ |
| [21:07:56] | keith4: | Dagmar: agreed, but the journal is most likely not the greatest of his problems |
| [21:08:01] | Dagmar: | I know the ext2 driver will now take care not to destroy ext3 journals, but I don't know if that level of care has made it out into things like fsck yet |
| [21:08:20] | kormoc: | dagar, it would have. If the superblock doesn't indicate a journal, it can't assume the journal is valid and will toss it every time |
| [21:08:29] | Dagmar: | keith4: Well, it might have made the difference between keeping a recording and losing one, but I agree with you anyway |
| [21:09:02] | keith4: | as you said, if the recordings were that important to him, he'd have a backup ;-) |
| [21:09:10] | Dagmar: | kormoc: I'm trying not to think about what might have mangled the superblock |
| [21:09:22] | Dagmar: | Backups of mythtv recordings? |
| [21:09:24] | Dagmar: | Pfft. |
| [21:09:26] | Dagmar: | Buy MOAR DISKS |
| [21:09:36] | stuarta: | drive's probably on the way out |
| [21:09:38] | tim1: | no but its nice to know that i dont have to backup every thing i own |
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| [21:09:42] | kormoc: | dagar, that said, he could have passed in an alt superblock and seen if that one wasn't corrupted/mangled |
| [21:10:02] | ** stuarta hands kormoc's nick completion an 'm' ** | |
| [21:10:03] | nicholas_: | Can I change all my existing recording rules to make them all 'transcode'? |
| [21:10:12] | tim1: | my drive is not busy any more |
| [21:10:14] | Dagmar: | stuarta: You did see that he had zeros in the 5th and 6th fields of his fstab, right? |
| [21:10:21] | kormoc: | stuartam, thanks! |
| [21:10:23] | ** stuarta hasn't looked ** | |
| [21:10:33] | stuarta: | however i heard the screams |
| [21:10:36] | Dagmar: | hehe |
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| [21:10:52] | Dagmar: | I'm kinda wondering if the machine would have survived even *one* relatively normal reboot. |
| [21:10:56] | stuarta: | smartd & friends are great. |
| [21:11:03] | tim1: | Pass 2: Checking directory structure |
| [21:11:03] | tim1: | Pass 3: Checking directory connectivity |
| [21:11:03] | tim1: | Pass 4: Checking reference counts |
| [21:11:03] | tim1: | Pass 5: Checking group summary information |
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| [21:11:15] | keith4: | the anticipation is killing me! |
| [21:11:18] | tim1: | its done its gone for reboot |
| [21:11:23] | Dagmar: | tim1: Basically, when it gets done, you can try mounting it again |
| [21:11:48] | Dagmar: | Although you should prolly do `tune2fs -j /dev/sda1` first to recreate the journal so it can properly be an ext3 filesystem again |
| [21:12:14] | tim1: | ok im goingto do that |
| [21:12:20] | Dagmar: | For god's sake don't try to add the journal to the filesystem while it's mounted. ;) |
| [21:12:35] | stuarta: | that way be dragons |
| [21:12:44] | tim1: | its a diffrent drive only has recordings |
| [21:12:51] | Dagmar: | I don't know if it'll let you do that or not, but the result would probabl ybe very very bad |
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| [21:14:02] | tim1: | wtf sudo umount /dev/ |
| [21:14:02] | tim1: | pts/ shm/ |
| [21:14:33] | Dagmar: | Tell me you aren't trying to manually unmount those |
| [21:14:55] | Dagmar: | ...and that you did NOT change the "0 0" at the end of ALL of those lines in /etc/fstab to "1 2" |
| [21:15:01] | kormoc: | tim1, nouns, verbs, adjectives, etc would be helpful |
| [21:16:51] | keith4: | haha |
| [21:16:59] | tim1: | Dagmar are u having a laugh |
| [21:17:11] | tim1: | shame coz its not funny |
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| [21:17:43] | tim1: | you told me to change it to 1 2 |
| [21:17:45] | keith4: | tim1: why are you trying to unmount /dev ? |
| [21:17:46] | Aval0n: | dagmar doesn't kid |
| [21:17:58] | keith4: | tim1: what is your native language? |
| [21:18:02] | tim1: | sudo umount /dev/sda1 |
| [21:18:07] | Dagmar: | rofl |
| [21:18:16] | Dagmar: | It's going to take me a few to stop laughing |
| [21:18:19] | tim1: | keith english |
| [21:18:44] | tim1: | ahhh so is my drive fucked ? |
| [21:18:59] | Dagmar: | Okay. Let me make something very clear |
| [21:19:07] | tim1: | ok |
| [21:19:17] | Dagmar: | The only lines in /etc/fstab you should have changed accoring to my instructions were the last *two* lines. |
| [21:19:31] | Dagmar: | You should have ONLY been changing the two fields for the two actual _real_ filesystems that were listed. |
| [21:19:36] | tim1: | yes look |
| [21:19:43] | Dagmar: | Your root filesystem's entry should end in "0 1" |
| [21:19:47] | kormoc: | tim1, all I was doing was checking your time, nothing more |
| [21:19:59] | Dagmar: | The pseudofilesystems and non-writeable things like /dev and /pts should have *stayed* |
| [21:20:01] | Dagmar: | "0 0" |
| [21:20:33] | tim1: | http://pastebin.com/m70a49e26 |
| [21:20:43] | keith4: | Dagmar: you're a saint. I can't take any more, I'm going home |
| [21:20:56] | tim1: | kormaoc how do you do that bro |
| [21:20:59] | Dagmar: | tim1: Okay. That looks quite correct. |
| [21:21:07] | stuarta: | \o/ |
| [21:21:15] | Dagmar: | We're going to try to pretend we didn't see you say that about umount /dev and move on |
| [21:21:15] | tim1: | ur a god |
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| [21:22:02] | kormoc: | tim1, I sent a ctcp time request. How that is done depends on your client |
| [21:22:08] | Dagmar: | Okay, so if fsck was done, type `tune2fs -j /dev/sda1` and then `mount -a` |
| [21:22:17] | Dagmar: | Hopefully you will NOT get anything in the way of errors |
| [21:24:15] | tim1: | its creting |
| [21:24:20] | tim1: | creating* |
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| [21:24:56] | tim1: | ok |
| [21:24:58] | tim1: | done |
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| [21:25:31] | Dagmar: | So `mount -a` should make it (and everything else left out) mount properly now |
| [21:25:32] | Dagmar: | Hopefully |
| [21:26:00] | tim1: | yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| [21:26:35] | tim1: | every thing is fine recordings are there |
| [21:26:42] | tim1: | Im very happy, thanks |
| [21:27:05] | Aval0n: | tim1: dagmar accepts all major credit carts.. and paypal |
| [21:27:09] | Aval0n: | cards* |
| [21:27:20] | Dagmar: | You can probably blame those extra zeros for how you wound up with that filesystem mangled. |
| [21:27:52] | Dagmar: | /probably/ |
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| [21:28:49] | tim1: | ahh ok |
| [21:29:08] | tim1: | you take westurn union |
| [21:29:36] | Josh_: | My myth frontend has a VGA card with 1xVGA, 1xDVI, and 1xS-Video. Is there any advantage to connecting to my new TV via a DVI-HDMI cable, or a simple VGA-VGA connection? |
| [21:29:41] | Aval0n: | I can't even hear western union anymore without immediatly thinking scam |
| [21:29:42] | Aval0n: | heh |
| [21:29:43] | Dagmar: | Actually, I know better than to take Western Union. heh |
| [21:30:01] | Aval0n: | Josh_: that depends on what input you prefert to use |
| [21:30:04] | Dagmar: | Josh: Heck, use VGA if you can |
| [21:30:19] | Aval0n: | VGA is analog (while not likely) it is prone to some interference |
| [21:30:30] | Dagmar: | It'll mean less chance the TV might think it needs to rescale something and induce about 70ms of video lag |
| [21:30:31] | Aval0n: | hdmi=dvi is digital all the way to the TV's logic board. |
| [21:30:53] | Aval0n: | also what dagmar says |
| [21:30:57] | Josh_: | so it's worth the $30 for the DVI to HDMI cable |
| [21:31:01] | Aval0n: | if your TV does not have hdmi 1.3a compliance |
| [21:31:08] | Aval0n: | you may be dealing with overscan |
| [21:31:21] | Aval0n: | Josh research how your TV deals with PC signals via hdmi first |
| [21:31:23] | Josh_: | Aval0n, I'm looking at a new samsung 40" 1080i LCD |
| [21:31:33] | Dagmar: | Whichever means uses *fewer pieces* is probably better |
| [21:31:38] | Aval0n: | I'de recommend running 720p on that |
| [21:31:43] | Dagmar: | Simpler == less hassle |
| [21:31:46] | Josh_: | Aval0n, why is that? |
| [21:31:49] | Aval0n: | Josh_: check out avsforum.com |
| [21:31:50] | Josh_: | dagar, agreed. |
| [21:32:08] | Aval0n: | Josh_: because still images on 1080i can cause flicker |
| [21:32:26] | Aval0n: | specially all the thin horizontal lines you have on mythtv menus |
| [21:32:44] | Aval0n: | it's up to you |
| [21:32:51] | iamlindoro__: | Not to mention that panel is 99% likely to be 720p native res anyway |
| [21:32:52] | Aval0n: | it will probably run 1360x768 native |
| [21:32:56] | Josh_: | Aval0n, ok.. I havent bought the TV yet, I just want the best quality possible |
| [21:33:15] | Aval0n: | I belive that set that you mention will be 1360x768 |
| [21:33:20] | Aval0n: | without interlacing |
| [21:33:24] | Josh_: | Aval0n, just a sec |
| [21:33:32] | Aval0n: | I also belive it supports a "just scan" mode |
| [21:33:45] | Aval0n: | which will eliminate your overscan issue on hdmi/dvi inputs |
| [21:33:49] | Aval0n: | but don't quote me on that |
| [21:34:06] | Josh_: | Aval0n, that's correct, I'm familliar with the "Just Scan" mode with my freind's LCD |
| [21:34:14] | Aval0n: | on that set if you use the VGA input you WILL have a thin grey veritcal line on each side of the image |
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| [21:34:24] | Aval0n: | because it can only use res that multiplies by 8 |
| [21:34:28] | Hoxzer: | Anduin: if you are still there... segfaults appear after recompile |
| [21:34:47] | Aval0n: | I have a samsung hp-t5054 |
| [21:34:55] | Aval0n: | I run 1280x768 via hdmi |
| [21:35:02] | Aval0n: | I'm sorry |
| [21:35:04] | Aval0n: | 1280x720 |
| [21:35:13] | Aval0n: | with just scan enabled it does not overscan |
| [21:35:33] | Josh_: | Aval0n, Samsung LN40A550 |
| [21:35:49] | Aval0n: | if you don't mind the grey vertical lines, you can use HDMI will support PC EDID info |
| [21:35:58] | Aval0n: | it will autoset your res to 1360x768 |
| [21:36:05] | Aval0n: | or "native res" |
| [21:36:11] | Aval0n: | josh check out samsung's site |
| [21:36:17] | Aval0n: | it will tell you all you need to know |
| [21:36:24] | Josh_: | I'm not sure what EDID info is? |
| [21:36:36] | Aval0n: | make sure you set some sort of screen saver |
| [21:36:39] | Aval0n: | 15 mins |
| [21:36:43] | Aval0n: | is what I have mine set to |
| [21:37:11] | Aval0n: | EDID = Extended display identification data |
| [21:37:28] | Aval0n: | it is what your set sends via the video signal to let the source know what it's capable of displaying |
| [21:37:55] | Josh_: | Okay, that's why my PC says "Samsung" when I connect the TV as an available display device |
| [21:38:39] | Aval0n: | if you are refering to what you see in your xorg.conf that is correct |
| [21:38:46] | Aval0n: | the nvidia driver is handling the EDID for you |
| [21:38:54] | Aval0n: | I'm assuming you have an nvidia card correct? |
| [21:39:10] | Josh_: | Aval0n, no, this is on my Vista laptop.. |
| [21:39:20] | Aval0n: | ok... |
| [21:39:32] | Aval0n: | so it doesn't have an nvidia graphics chipset/ |
| [21:39:38] | Aval0n: | what is it intel 915? |
| [21:39:56] | Josh_: | Aval0n, :) Dual Geforce 8600M GT's |
| [21:40:08] | Aval0n: | ... so nvidia |
| [21:40:15] | Josh_: | definately |
| [21:40:26] | Josh_: | samsung's site says resolution is 1920x1080 |
| [21:40:27] | ** Aval0n gets increasingly confused ** | |
| [21:40:35] | Aval0n: | is that i or p |
| [21:40:37] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: open a ticket with the bt, also may want to delete mythvideo_fi.qm and report if that "fixes" it |
| [21:40:45] | Josh_: | for that LN40A550 |
| [21:40:47] | Hoxzer: | Anduin: This is wierd. |
| [21:40:53] | Aval0n: | because if that's i that means your native res will be 1360x768 or 1280x720 |
| [21:41:07] | Aval0n: | my set is 1920x1080i as well... |
| [21:41:22] | iamlindoro__: | that set is a *p* set, not an i |
| [21:41:29] | Aval0n: | ahh |
| [21:41:33] | iamlindoro__: | So that native res will be correct |
| [21:41:33] | Aval0n: | even better for you Josh |
| [21:41:35] | Josh_: | yeah, p, sorry |
| [21:41:38] | Hoxzer: | Anduin: after recompile I get segfaults as told BUT after I have used old ...fi.qm and then I try again with new one. It doesn't segfault O_o |
| [21:41:45] | Aval0n: | I'de say that's a very good purchase |
| [21:42:29] | Josh_: | hmmm |
| [21:42:34] | Aval0n: | Josh_: just remember that the LCD fanbois will talk up all day long that burn-in/ghosting doesn't occur with LCD, and image retention is solved by unplugging/replugging... don't belive them |
| [21:42:44] | Aval0n: | set a screen saver |
| [21:42:58] | Aval0n: | mythtv is very intelligent on when to allow screen blanking etc... |
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| [21:43:16] | Aval0n: | you don't want to leave a show paused or a mythtv menu up on your screen if you decide to go out... |
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| [21:43:22] | Josh_: | Aval0n, i'm paranoid anyway, I don't run squat on a display withtout some sort of screensaver |
| [21:43:31] | Aval0n: | Josh_: excellent :) |
| [21:43:50] | nicholas_: | I can't manage to get new recordings to default to auto-transcode. My default Hardware DVB encoder profile is set to 'enable auto-transcode after recording'. |
| [21:44:05] | Aval0n: | I belive that set should do 1920x1080 @ 120hz too ;) |
| [21:44:14] | Josh_: | Aval0n, on your tv, does it support turning on with AUX2 OR HDMI set to be selected as default input? |
| [21:44:29] | Josh_: | with this myth properly set up, I shouldn't need the internal ATSC Tuner |
| [21:44:34] | nicholas_: | What else needs checking? I'm following http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.14 , but must be missinga step |
| [21:44:48] | Aval0n: | Josh_: it supports anynet with other samsung devices |
| [21:44:54] | Josh_: | I'm not sure if that samsung supports 120hz or not |
| [21:44:54] | Aval0n: | I havn't played much with anything else |
| [21:45:05] | Aval0n: | I leave all the power up/down to my harmony remote |
| [21:45:08] | Josh_: | anynet? |
| [21:45:31] | Aval0n: | Josh_: it's a samsung thing.. google it... also see if your set supports "automotion plus" |
| [21:45:36] | Aval0n: | automotion plus = 120hz |
| [21:45:40] | neztiti: | GreyFoxx: please 1 minute |
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| [21:45:49] | markl: | [109375.134720] mythfilldatabas[25140]: segfault at 000817b6 eip 0816084b esp b49ad018 error 6 |
| [21:45:51] | Aval0n: | which means it pains the picture on the screen 120 times per second |
| [21:46:04] | neztiti: | No UPnP backends found whats the wrong here? |
| [21:46:22] | Aval0n: | neztiti: is your backend running? |
| [21:46:30] | neztiti: | yes |
| [21:46:49] | Aval0n: | are you _sure_ ? |
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| [21:47:20] | neztiti: | yes |
| [21:47:39] | neztiti: | how verify it? |
| [21:48:10] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [21:48:16] | Dagmar: | ps -C mythbackend |
| [21:49:18] | neztiti: | 5217 ? 00:00:08 mythbackend |
| [21:49:28] | Josh_: | Aval0n, no Automotion Plus for this set it seems |
| [21:50:55] | neztiti: | i did sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop |
| [21:51:18] | neztiti: | i get * Stopping MythTV server: mythbackend |
| [21:51:19] | neztiti: | ...done. |
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| [21:54:53] | markl: | who is doing 120 fps? |
| [21:55:38] | markl: | i saw a tv that took 24 fps content and added extra frames to make it 120fps (at least that's what the marketing brochure said). it looked Really Good |
| [21:55:54] | ** sphery thinks you mean 120Hz ** | |
| [21:55:55] | markl: | we need mythtv to add that capability |
| [21:56:10] | stuarta: | start coding |
| [21:56:13] | sphery: | I doubt it's adding extra frames so much as replicating frames |
| [21:56:47] | iamlindoro__: | MOAR HURTZ |
| [21:57:05] | iamlindoro__: | By which I appear to have misspelled "passing fad" |
| [21:57:11] | markl: | i don't know – the movements were so smooth that just replicating frames wouldn't have cut it |
| [21:57:29] | iamlindoro__: | by which I appear to have mis-stated "make film look like video" |
| [21:57:37] | Dagmar: | Find something with motion fast enough to make it obvious |
| [21:58:02] | sphery: | and sideways motion helps to see a difference |
| [21:58:04] | markl: | Dagmar: how about just every 24 fps film ever made, they all look like ass |
| [21:58:10] | markl: | imo |
| [21:58:32] | Dagmar: | That would do, but I was thinking more along the lines of something really high contrast, like a japanese ping pong tournament |
| [21:58:54] | markl: | gotcha |
| [21:59:01] | sphery: | I didn't think it was possible to see the ball in one of those... |
| [21:59:19] | Dagmar: | Yes, that way you'd see a lot of images of the ball in various places |
| [21:59:21] | markl: | that might be impossible, the movement wouldn't be linear in 24 fps |
| [21:59:37] | markl: | but it would be fun to try, maybe i'll take in forrest gump |
| [21:59:41] | Dagmar: | ...or just make a test video |
| [21:59:59] | sphery: | what was the model/manufacturer? |
| [22:00:21] | markl: | samsung, they had some trademark for it |
| [22:01:01] | markl: | MotionPlus i think is the term |
| [22:01:03] | sphery: | Samsung: "Auto Motion Plus" / Sony: "Motionflow" |
| [22:01:08] | markl: | yeah |
| [22:02:04] | sphery: | Don't know if it would apply to Myth, though, unless you can actually send a 1080p120 signal to the TV (doubtful) |
| [22:02:10] | markl: | maybe it only does 48 fps |
| [22:02:26] | sphery: | You'd have to get Myth outputting 1080p24 and let the TV do its "magic" |
| [22:02:26] | markl: | i only looked at it for a few minutes, but it was impressive |
| [22:02:52] | Aval0n: | automotion plus is annoying after about 10 minutes of viewing in my opinion |
| [22:03:19] | markl: | Aval0n: interesting, why? |
| [22:03:39] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, I think that's pretty accurate, which tells you something about what it's doing given the source material isn't any different than usual |
| [22:03:50] | Aval0n: | i don't know |
| [22:03:53] | iamlindoro__: | Fairly negative reactions here: http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=518840 |
| [22:03:56] | Aval0n: | it's just my personal opinion |
| [22:04:00] | nicholas_: | How do I get new recording rules to default to 'auto-transcode'? |
| [22:04:03] | Aval0n: | it gets annoying to me |
| [22:04:43] | Aval0n: | like i'm watching a documentry |
| [22:05:10] | stuarta: | nicholas_: you need to enable them |
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| [22:05:30] | Aval0n: | I've seen movies look just as smooth |
| [22:05:38] | Aval0n: | spiderman3 for instance |
| [22:05:41] | Aval0n: | DVD or x264 |
| [22:05:49] | Aval0n: | very clean and smooth |
| [22:05:54] | sphery: | nicholas_: Run transcoder: This is the default value used for the Auto-Transcode setting when a new scheduled recording is created. |
| [22:05:59] | Aval0n: | because it's source was a high dps |
| [22:06:00] | markl: | i just hate the film look in general |
| [22:06:02] | sphery: | nicholas_: In frontend settings General settings |
| [22:06:03] | ** stuarta resists the urge to tell someone to rtfm ** | |
| [22:06:05] | nicholas_: | stuarta: I believe I have – my Default (in fact, all) Hardware DVB Encoder profile has "Enable auto-transcode after recording" set |
| [22:06:21] | Aval0n: | nicholas_: there is another place |
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| [22:06:26] | Aval0n: | about jobs after recording |
| [22:06:36] | Aval0n: | under tv settings / general i *think* |
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| [22:06:51] | stuarta: | you also have to enable it on the schedule itself |
| [22:07:09] | sphery: | On the backend and on the schedule |
| [22:07:21] | nicholas_: | Ah, found my missing place! General->Jobs->Default JobQueue settings for new sch. recordings |
| [22:07:24] | Aval0n: | sphery: do you transcode your recordings? |
| [22:07:27] | sphery: | the "Run transcoder" setting sets the default for when you create new recordings. |
| [22:07:33] | nicholas_: | phew, that took a long time to find. |
| [22:07:57] | Aval0n: | sphery just mentioned what I was talking about |
| [22:08:00] | sphery: | Aval0n: nope. Backends too low-powered. (All HDTV and Athlon XP 2400+/2000+ backends.) |
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| [22:08:26] | Aval0n: | what do you use to playback your HDTV sphery? |
| [22:08:31] | nicholas_: | I think I need to transcode to allow audio to keep in sync with the mpeg2 stream is faulty due to bad signal |
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| [22:08:51] | sphery: | Aval0n: Athlon X2 4800+ dedicated frontend. :) Power to the frontend! |
| [22:08:54] | Aval0n: | nicholas_: if the recording is screwed before you transcode that will do you no good |
| [22:09:02] | Aval0n: | sphery: nice |
| [22:09:16] | Aval0n: | my be and main FE is same machine |
| [22:09:20] | sphery: | I'm really wanting to upgrade it, though. Just havn't thought of an excuse, yet. |
| [22:09:31] | Aval0n: | core2duo 1.86ghz oc'ed to 3.03ghz |
| [22:09:33] | sphery: | stupid thing does everything I need it to |
| [22:09:37] | Dagmar: | "But honey, it was on sale!" |
| [22:09:39] | nicholas_: | Aval0n: hmm... In the middle of some of my recordings, there is a small/few second gitch in the signal. mplayer can play it back and keep the audio in sync, but mythtv loses sync and I have to save the position and renter the playback... |
| [22:09:47] | sphery: | Aval0n: Nice OC. |
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| [22:09:58] | markl: | sphery: yeah i got a 4400+ awhile ago and it works great |
| [22:10:26] | markl: | however, it can't deal with my h.264 camcorder |
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| [22:10:35] | Dagmar: | x264 is kinda boned across the board |
| [22:10:46] | sphery: | Yeah. I've had mine since 2006, so it feels old, but it handles everything I push at it. (Don't have H.264.) |
| [22:11:03] | Aval0n: | sphery: thanks |
| [22:11:04] | Dagmar: | Mine won't play most 264-encoded files without doing some _really_ weird frameskip |
| [22:11:22] | neztiti: | Aval0n: any idea man? |
| [22:11:26] | Dagmar: | It acts like someones fast-forwarding stuff |
| [22:11:28] | Aval0n: | dagmar: what cpu? |
| [22:11:33] | markl: | Dagmar: yeah |
| [22:11:46] | markl: | i had decent results with ffmpeg from CVS |
| [22:11:57] | Aval0n: | neztiti: I'm sorry idea on what? |
| [22:12:01] | Dagmar: | Avalon: CPU isn't really the issue from what I can tell. 3800+ |
| [22:12:07] | sphery: | nicholas_: probably an out-of-spec video stream or corruption due to signal issues. May work better in future Myth's (as libav* is upgraded to newer versions and catches up with the version your MPlayer is probably using). |
| [22:12:10] | markl: | but it couldn't deal with my sound |
| [22:12:38] | Dagmar: | I've got ffmpeg and x264 from CVS less than a week old |
| [22:12:47] | Dagmar: | er 3200+ actually |
| [22:12:57] | Aval0n: | what are you using to play the x264 dagmar? |
| [22:13:02] | Dagmar: | Myth's internal player |
| [22:13:08] | neztiti: | No UPnP backends found whats the wrong here? |
| [22:13:12] | Aval0n: | you using the skiploop filter patch? |
| [22:13:13] | nicholas_: | sphery: that's encouraging. The problem is very like corruption due to signal issues. Normally signal is great, but every now and then fails for a few moments. |
| [22:13:32] | Aval0n: | 3200+ isn't enough for x264 methinks =( |
| [22:13:35] | Dagmar: | neztit: Same as before. Your backend isn't running, or it can't be reached (possibly firewalling) |
| [22:13:43] | Aval0n: | you can try the skiploopfilter option though |
| [22:13:47] | Dagmar: | Avalon: It actually plays under "other OSs" |
| [22:14:00] | Dagmar: | ...with less CPU power |
| [22:14:02] | Aval0n: | right because it's offloading the work the to gpu |
| [22:14:13] | Aval0n: | which linux's only option to do that is xvmc |
| [22:14:15] | Aval0n: | which is a joke |
| [22:14:25] | Dagmar: | This is not a 1080 ressed file. |
| [22:14:38] | Aval0n: | I had the same issue with my p4 3.4ghz HT |
| [22:14:58] | markl: | i had a 3200+ and a p4 3.2 ghz before i got the dual core, neither one was very good |
| [22:15:00] | sphery: | nicholas_: have you tried adjusting the antenna or getting a better antenna or amp or ... |
| [22:15:03] | Aval0n: | Dagmar: do you have the skiploopfilter patch? |
| [22:15:10] | Aval0n: | for the mythtv internal player |
| [22:15:12] | Dagmar: | I dont' even know what it is |
| [22:15:20] | Aval0n: | it takes a lot of load off the cpu |
| [22:15:28] | Aval0n: | you would need to recompile though |
| [22:15:34] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro helped me with it |
| [22:15:40] | Dagmar: | Like I don't _already_ do that three times a month |
| [22:15:41] | Aval0n: | if you would like I'll send you the patch |
| [22:15:41] | markl: | ok what does it take to get mythtv to play back iPod MP4 files with AAC audio |
| [22:15:48] | markl: | i get the video but no audio |
| [22:15:50] | Dagmar: | Work stuff... back in 10 |
| [22:15:52] | Aval0n: | ok |
| [22:15:54] | Aval0n: | se eya |
| [22:15:54] | markl: | debian |
| [22:16:28] | nicholas_: | sphery: there is a signal booster inline, and the transmitter is only about 7 miles away. How can I get Myth to tell me what it thinks is going on with the signal? |
| [22:17:37] | sphery: | nicholas_: the signal monitor (Alt-F7) is really the only tool in Myth, but it's an interactive thing and isn't used during normal usage. It's also just a "relative" measure. |
| [22:18:18] | sphery: | I'm guessing some other tools would be more appropriate (i.e. some of the DVB tools or something), but I've never tried to do any long-term signal monitoring while recording or anything, so I may be way off. |
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| [22:20:32] | nicholas_: | sphery: lower % is good, I believe? currently 18% |
| [22:20:38] | sphery: | Having read more about 120Hz "motion tweening," I'm starting to wonder why people tend to be against upscaling (resolution), but don't mind "inventing" information between frames. Especially since there /is/ a difference between pixels and dots (and you need more dots than pixels to display the information in an image) |
| [22:20:42] | nicholas_: | S/N 4.8 dB... |
| [22:20:49] | Aval0n: | that's pretty standard |
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| [22:23:55] | sphery: | I suppose the same could apply for the time dimension, but considering the amount of processing required to extract the extra information from a single frame, I doubt current computers could handle extracting it (in real time) from all the frames that would be relevant to determining intra-frame positioning. |
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| [22:25:51] | markl: | sphery: it probably depends on the number of frames, if you are just doubling from 24–48 it might not be too much worse than deinterlacing 1080i |
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| [22:29:39] | sphery: | Yeah. It sounds like it doesn't even do the 24fps -> 120fps by adding 4 new frames, either. It has more to do with adjusting for the LCD's refresh characteristics to compensate for motion blur (even inserting black frames, too). |
| [22:30:39] | markl: | 24 -> 120 would be black magic |
| [22:30:55] | markl: | even 48 fps would look a hell of a lot better than film, 24 fps |
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| [22:31:22] | sphery: | I'm not so much saying that I think it's a bad idea. I just can't understand the common assertion that 1:1 pixel mapping makes for the best possible picture quality--especially when they would probably accept something like the auto motion stuff. |
| [22:32:13] | sphery: | It actually makes a lot more sense, now, in the sense that it's not trying to add information as much as trying to compensate for the particular characteristics of the physical display device. |
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| [22:33:21] | sphery: | But, I think your best bet--if you do want to use it--is to use Xrandr to change your output refresh rate to match the video's frame rate and let the TV take it from there. |
| [22:34:03] | sphery: | I don't know that we have a rate-choosing algorithm in Myth now (might match only on video size), but it should be possible to add one. |
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| [22:36:41] | Dagmar: | This is assuming your TV can be trusted. |
| [22:36:44] | Dagmar: | Mine can't. |
| [22:37:11] | Dagmar: | You only have to try playing Guitar Hero once to find out your nice new LCD TV does something that causes video lag |
| [22:37:45] | Dagmar: | If you're going to let the TV do the rescaling, then it's probably a good idea to route the audio output through it as well |
| [22:38:11] | Dagmar: | 70ms lag == FAIL in easy mode on Guitar Hero |
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| [22:50:16] | goreguts_: | when i'm watching HD content (either live tv or recorded) I get a "WriteAudio: buffer underrun" error every few minutes, the video and audio stop for a couple seconds then start up again |
| [22:50:29] | goreguts_: | can anyone think of a way to fix that? |
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| [22:50:47] | goreguts_: | i have an athlon 64 3400+ and 1 gig of ram |
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| [22:57:17] | neztiti: | guys is threre any way to exit full screen??? |
| [22:57:35] | Anduin: | neztiti: no |
| [22:57:48] | Nik_Doof: | does importing your existing channels.conf only use the transponder information and not the actual channels? |
| [22:58:07] | Anduin: | neztiti: it is windowed or full from the start, you can only change it and restart |
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| [22:59:10] | neztiti: | how 2 change it? from where? |
| [23:01:03] | Anduin: | neztiti: it is in the frontend settings somewhere (run in a window or something like that), not near a MythTV box so no exact location. |
| [23:01:56] | neztiti: | Anduin: ok thank you man :-* |
| [23:03:20] | Anduin: | neztiti: Appearance second screen (not being too lazy to vnc) |
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| [23:06:56] | i_is_cat: | when i use my pvr350 remote inside mythtv if i am watching tv and i hit a number it shows the number plus a capital D and if i navigate options with keyed in input, the remote adds a capital D to the end of each line |
| [23:07:16] | i_is_cat: | anyone know how to resolve this? |
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| [23:16:13] | neztiti: | Anduin:i can use my ATI redeon tvout with mythtv? |
| [23:16:53] | neztiti: | Anduin:i mean to watch on the tv?? not on the display? |
| [23:17:46] | neztiti: | Anduin:i have dxr3 card but greyfox said that no way to get it works with mythtv |
| [23:18:30] | GreyFoxx: | Not without writing a bunch of code |
| [23:19:15] | neztiti: | GreyFoxx: hi man |
| [23:19:33] | neztiti: | GreyFoxx:u talk to me? |
| [23:20:09] | kormoc: | i_is_cat, check your lircrc file? |
| [23:23:09] | GreyFoxx: | neztiti: yes I was |
| [23:24:02] | neztiti: | GreyFoxx: what u mean by ( Not without writing a bunch of code) |
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| [23:24:34] | GreyFoxx: | I mean, that you cannot get the dxr3 to work with mythtv unless you write some code to support it. |
| [23:26:19] | neztiti: | GreyFoxx: me not good with linux (new user) its diffecult to write code |
| [23:27:10] | neztiti: | maybe any guy here one time do it |
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| [23:28:04] | neztiti: | it works for me with xine and mplayer , kaffeine only mythtv not |
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| [23:29:51] | TelnetManta: | ajh: Ping |
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| [23:34:45] | Dagmar: | It's more likely that people will relegate equipment that needs DXR3 to doing jobs like managing stoplights at intersections and just use hardware modern enough to handle DVD decoding. |
| [23:35:07] | Dagmar: | If you need a DXR3 card, you do *not* have the hardware requirements for MythTV as set forth on the website anyway |
| [23:38:39] | neztiti: | Dagmar:no chance for me – i like mythtv and like my dxr3 card too |
| [23:38:47] | Dagmar: | Oh well. |
| [23:38:54] | neztiti: | it works fine with vdr |
| [23:38:58] | Dagmar: | Try not to let 1999 hit you on the way out |
| [23:43:32] | neztiti: | the only way to use it is to open the file that mythtv recording with xine throuw it |
| [23:46:06] | kormoc: | neztiti, myth requires XV and your card doesn't support it. It's not going to be fixed as it was decided long ago to require xv and that won't change. Sorry, but that's how it is. |
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| [23:53:36] | neztiti: | kormoc:ok man , i stopped crying – i will buy a card that supporting with mythtv , what to buy??? |
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| [23:54:03] | Dagmar: | Anything made after 2001 practically |
| [23:55:11] | kormoc: | neztiti, a newer nvidia card is nice, I have a 6200 currently and it's wonderful |
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| [23:55:53] | neztiti: | kormoc:use it with tvout??? with osd? |
| [23:56:52] | kormoc: | yes |
| [23:57:59] | neztiti: | kormoc:i have redeon 9200 pro it works too??? |
| [23:59:08] | kormoc: | you could try it and see |
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| [23:59:42] | neztiti: | ok |
| [23:59:58] | TelnetManta: | can anyone tell me if its possible to reimport orphaned recording back into the DB? I had to drop mythconverg and have lots or recordings I'de love to be able to keep.... |
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