Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, April 20th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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Dagmar:

I don't allow "just any" traffic back out here

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PatrickDK:

heh, I just do that on the ip level

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Dagmar:

I actively monitor

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keith4__:

Dagmar: the LEDs are on opposite sides... 50 degree cone each? so, the remote will work from the left and right, but not the center?

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Dagmar:

It'll work from anywhere

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Dagmar:

Remember, light bounces off EVERYTHING practically

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keith4__:

hmmm

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Dagmar:

I don't have anything resembling line of sight to my couch

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Dagmar:

That serial transciever I got is on the *rear* of the MythTV machine

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Dagmar:

All I have to do is point in it's general direction and I'm good.

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keith4__:

yah, i saw that in a howto... "as long as you have white walls, it'll be fine"

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PatrickDK:

heh

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PatrickDK:

it doesn't work for me

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keith4__:

i'd probably use a USB extension and put the thing by the TV, anyway

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PatrickDK:

but then mine is in the bedroom closet with the doors shut

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Dagmar:

Not a bad idea

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Dagmar:

I had a problem once with my gf complaining the remote wasn't working

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Dagmar:

She was standing directly in front of the TV trying to use it while pointing it at the TV

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Dagmar:

The TV completely eclipsed where the myth box was

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keith4__:

lol

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keith4__:

yah, i'd like to avoid that

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keith4__:

having 2 or 3 directories in the Default storage group will cause it to "load balance" across those directories, right?

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rooaus:

keith4__: Basically, yes. It will try to balance IO and free space across hdd spindles and filesystems.

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keith4__:

neat!

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Lynet:

What's the difference between the Greedy HighMotion and the Yadif deinterlacers? Their description in the mythfrontend setup is identical.

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keith4__:

where should I put the png files? they're currently scattered across 3 dirs in the same storage group, but mythweb doesn't seem to find them

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keith4__:

or... just some of them, apparently

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chasep:

where can I find a legend of what the icons on the "select recordings to watch" screen mean? Most of them I know, but some I don't. When I search, all I find is stuff about channel icons

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rooaus:

Lynet: Yadif uses a bit more cpu but is generally considered better, but you should evaluate both.

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rooaus:

chasep: F1 should bring up a help screen that has the icon legend.

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chasep:

wow, no wonder I couldn't find anything, it was way too easy!

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chasep:

i knew mythtv was awesome. but now that I have my tvout working, and mythweb working,its better than I ever hoped

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rooaus:

Lynet: Both deinterlacers use a number of consecutive frames to reduce motion artifacts but do it differently (obviously). When I was doing the patch for the context sensitive help for that screen I lookoed for some concise explanation of the differences but couldn't find one.

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rooaus:

Lynet: To be completely honest, I was hoping that the text may have been improved when it was committed. If you find a good explanation of the differences then I will fix it. :)

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Lynet:

rooaus: Ok, thanks. Is there a good technical explanation of them somewhere? google kinda came up short when searching for them.

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Lynet:

Not that it's horribly important, mostly curious.

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Lynet:

Oh, and a second question – how do i make mythtv log if it picks the primary or fallback interlacer?

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rooaus:

Lynet: Not that I could find, the last resort was the source... or hoping the person that committed it knew more about the details :)

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rooaus:

I thought it did log the interlacer (primary or fallback) used, but then I haven't looked at my logs for a while.

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Lynet:

I couldn't find it, maybe an onset of early blindness?

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Lynet:

Ah, found it. Yup, blindness on my part.

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rushfan:

Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=31, backend=40)

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rushfan:

:(

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rushfan:

upgrade mythweb I take it?

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Kernel:

hello all. im having issues with mythtv playing livetv. it was working a day or so ago...no updates...nothing that im a ware of changed,,,but now mytht wont switch into livetv mode. it just goes to a black screen for about 5 seconds then returns to the main mythfrontend screen

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Kernel:

i can however use mplayer to watch /dev/video0

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Dagmar:

Make sure your backend is still up, and check it's logs

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Kernel:

backend is running

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Kernel:

let me go through logs again and see if it gives a definate anser

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Lynet:

Are the playback profiles stored in the frontend or in the backend sql server?

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Kernel:

hmm

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Kernel:

i see somethign about the database

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Kernel:

Database error was:

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Kernel:

Table './mythconverg/recorded' is marked as crashed and should be repaired

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Kernel:

w00t i used optimize_mythdb.pl and it fixed the database and now tv works again

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pepperjack:

any commercial products using mythtv? like shiny standardized hardware and everything already setup?

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Led-Hed:

my frontends keep saying that they cant connect to the master backend, but the mythbackend daemon is running on the master backend, and I can connect via mysql to the backend. Any ideas?

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rushfan:

well I finally got mythweb running (or I guess getting lighttpd working was the real struggle

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Led-Hed:

I use minimyth and my frontends keep complaining that they cant contact the master backend. I can ping the backend, and connect to the mythconverg database from the command line, Unfortunately minimyth doesnt create a mythfrontend.log. Is there another way to see what errors the frontends might me encountering?

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Lynet:

Led-Hed: I suppose you could start mythfrontend from a console and look at the messages it prints to the console.

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Led-Hed:

Lynet, I dont think I can in minimyth.

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Led-Hed:

Lynet, no real way to access the console other than via telnet

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Lynet:

Not familiar with minimyth, doesn't it even have an xterm?

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Led-Hed:

no

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sshirley:

Hey all. I have a newbie question about Linux in general. I want to run mythwelcome instead of mythfrontend first on bootup. How can I change the startup scripts? I'm running Ubuntu

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hads:

sshirley: That depends on how you have things setup. For specific Ubuntu help you might like to try #ubuntu-mythtv

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hads:

I personally use .xinitrc to start mythfrontend.

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Lynet:

Would there be much interest in a vmware mythtv frontend?

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Khonshu2:

that could be handy for testing

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Khonshu2:

I'd like to have a vmware image prebuilt to test against

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Led-Hed:

Lynet, I just netboot it

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sshirley:

That would be great

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Solarbaby:

Im a big fan of Ubuntu-Mythtv

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Solarbaby:

it worked right out of the box..

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sshirley:

Ok...well, here is a non-ubuntu question. I can watch live tv. But when I record a show and watch it, it comes out all static. :-) Any ideas?

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sshirley:

mythbuntu is great

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Khonshu2:

what TV card?

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Khonshu2:

I have had that problem with a KWorld card, an old bt878 chipset

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** Led-Hed not a big fan of Ubuntu **

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Lynet:

I was thinking mainly in terms of turning any computer into an instant frontend without the need for reboot, provided that you have vmware player installed.

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sshirley:

PVR-500. It has worked before and only on the latest re-install it has not worked. But I don't think I configured anything differently.

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Led-Hed:

Lynet, I guess that might be usefull. Would be even better if MythFrontend were capable of compiling on Win32

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Led-Hed:

or cygwin

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Lynet:

Led-Hed: True. What are the chances for that, though?

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hads:

Why?

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Led-Hed:

Lynet, well there are some win32 bits in the code

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Led-Hed:

hads, why what?

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hads:

Why run Windows?

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sshirley:

My girlfriend will KILL me if I dont get this figured out :-)

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Led-Hed:

So Windows pukes could use MythTV

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hads:

*shrug*

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sshirley:

If LiveTV works, recording should too

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Led-Hed:

kinda the same as why would you want Myth to work on a Mac

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sshirley:

Yeah, but Mac is cool :-)

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Solarbaby:

Windows has a pretty good MythTV frontend.. doesn't work with a remote control though

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Led-Hed:

Macs are just another Cult like that one in Texas

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Lynet:

Solarbaby: You mean tapeworm or the winmyth thing?

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sshirley:

Just no bigamy

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Solarbaby:

an alernative I've been playing with is XBMC running on Windows.. Yes it works now.. and I setup a remote control with that.. and it has real basic navigation features of your recordings with mythtv

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Solarbaby:

Lynet: no

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Led-Hed:

sshirley, Macs are soo much better than PC's, then they go out and use 100% PC hardware and say "The Fastest Mac Ever!"

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sshirley:

:-)

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hads:

I believe there's a packaging script for Windows in SVN now.

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sshirley:

Ok, ok.....back to the recording issue.... :-)

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Khonshu2:

Mac's are a cult... lol. not as cool as in Texas from the news, Steve Jobs only has one wife.

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Led-Hed:

Steve Jobs is Gay

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Solarbaby:

You only need 1 wife.. and lots of play toys

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Khonshu2:

lmao

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Khonshu2:

sure

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Khonshu2:

don't know why anyone would want more than one anyhow

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Lynet:

sshirley: How do you try to playback? In mythfrontend or with a separate player?

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Khonshu2:

one's hard enough to please, no wonder you don't see those men on the news, they are wore the hell out...

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sshirley:

frontend

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Lynet:

sshirley: Hmm. Try copying one of the recordings to an other machine and try to play it on that. To figure out if it is mythfrontend or the video file that is messed up.

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Led-Hed:

Solarbaby, 1 wife is more than enough sometimes too much. I would jump off a bridge if I had more than 1

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Lynet:

sshirley: But as you say, if live works the recordigs should be ok too.

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sshirley:

mythtv records to .mpg, right?

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Lynet:

sshirley: Hmm.. Perhaps check your recording profiles, mythtv can use different bitrates etc when recording vs when watching live.

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Khonshu2:

depends on your card

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** Lynet points 10 minutes up. He has a pvr-500. **

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Khonshu2:

yup, ok, then yes

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Lynet:

sshirley: Yes, pvr-500 encodes to mpeg-2.

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Led-Hed:

so is X required on a backend? so that you can run mythsetup?

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sshirley:

lynet: where in the menu lists do i check for recording profiles?

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sshirley:

found it

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Lynet:

Setup -tv settings – recording profiles.

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sshirley:

bitrate is 4500 and max bitrate is 6000

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hadees:

pastie: hi

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sshirley:

the aspect ratio is 4:30 (I just got a hdtv, so I thnk I'll set it for 16:9

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sshirley:

do those bitrates sound ok?

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Led-Hed:

yes

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sshirley:

Ok....the stream type is currently set to 'MPEG-2 PS'

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sshirley:

Does that sound right?

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Lynet:

sshirley: Sounds just fine. I'd advise against changing the aspect ratio, that's the aspect ratio of the video being recorded not the aspect ratio of the playback display.

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sshirley:

What is PS?

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sshirley:

Yeah, right now I still have SD cable. So until I get HD cable, I guess I'll keep the aspect ratio

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Lynet:

Anyway, look at the settings in your Live profile and then make sure that the settings in the recording profile(s) (default, high quality, low quality) look similar.

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sshirley:

no...the aspect ratio is the aspect ratio "generated by your pvr"

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sshirley:

the livetv is the same

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sshirley:

but it has the width as 720 and height as 480. should i change those to the hdtv size?

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Lynet:

Those are *recording* settings, not *playback* settings. You are recording ntsc, so 720x480 is fine.

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sshirley:

gotcha

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sshirley:

i downloaded the recording to my laptop and its coming out as static

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Lynet:

Anyway, if they look similar then that's probably not the problem. Do you have access to the recorings over the network? If so, try to copy one of the files and see if it plays back ok on an other computer.

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Lynet:

Ah, ok. Is recording then.

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sshirley:

:-(

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Lynet:

sshirley: No, this is good. We now know that there's something wrong with recording, and not with the playback settings.

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sshirley:

Ok, cool. :-)

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sshirley:

Then what could it be?

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sshirley:

I'm doing another recording right now just to see. But it won't be done for another 25 mins

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Lynet:

What kind of static? Is it like if you had tuned your TV to a wrong channel?

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sshirley:

I'd say so. Not your typical bland-and-white, no signal kind

[05:16:20]

sshirley:

more like a grey static

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Lynet:

..or like if you had unplugged the cable?

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sshirley:

if that makes sense

[05:17:41]

sshirley:

if its grey, i guess its more like a garbled signal kind

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sshirley:

so, yeah, maybe the wrong channel kind

[05:20:15]

Lynet:

If you watch the same channel in live tv, does it work ok? (might be a channel that is tuned wrong).

[05:20:36]

sshirley:

tuner 1 is working fine. tahst the same one that live tv used earlier

[05:23:53]

sshirley:

is there a way to stop recording so that I can see if it's recorded ok?

[05:24:30]

Lynet:

It should show up i media library – watch recordings, you can watch it while it is recording.

[05:26:30]

Lynet:

you have made more than one recording, right? and from different tv channels? and all are static?

[05:27:53]

sshirley:

ok, the preview looks ok (from the view recordings list)

[05:28:13]

sshirley:

thats wierd.

[05:28:22]

sshirley:

so it was just the first one from earlier today

[05:28:43]

sshirley:

the playback is kinda jerky though. but ok

[05:29:26]

Lynet:

It might perhaps be something as silly as the cable co having problems while you were recording that show.

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sshirley:

wow

[05:30:22]

sshirley:

wierd

[05:31:22]

sshirley:

thanks :-)

[05:31:53]

sshirley:

under playback settings...is cpu-- always a good setting (as opposed to high quality, etc)?

[05:32:40]

Anduin:

sshirley: It is a good place to start, best to try things until you find something you like.

[05:34:24]

Lynet:

It kinda depends on your hardware.

[05:35:19]

sshirley:

ok, cool

[05:35:38]

sshirley:

Then I think I am set for now. :-) Except how to record HD once I get my HD cable service. :-)

[05:36:03]

sshirley:

Two STB's, one stb and one encoder card, etc

[05:38:09]

sshirley:

any quick suggestions?

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Anduin:

sshirley: most HD cards are not actually encoders so hooking them to the STB does no good

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Anduin:

sshirley: for most of the cards talked about here having HD cable generally isn't a requirement, basic cable likely has PBS and major affiliates unencrypted on your current cable. If you are lucky you can look at firewire capture for the STBs though.

[05:44:58]

sshirley:

I know. I mean use the STB for the encrypted channels and the then the encoder for the clear channels

[05:45:35]

stephanez:

about 10 seconds after i start playing tv from my tunner in mythtv, the system reboots. i'm using PVR500 and fresh install. any one have any suggestions?

[05:46:15]

sshirley:

But the things like TLC HD, discovery HD, etc will likely be encrypted, right?

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Anduin:

stephanez: but playing existing content works?

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Anduin:

sshirley: yes

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stephanez:

yes, i'm betting it's ivtv issue, but i'm not sure how to confirm

[05:47:20]

sshirley:

right. So either 2 STB's, or one stb and one encoder. i dunno.

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Anduin:

stephanez: cat /dev/video0 > /dev/null (or wherever the card is)

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stephanez:

Anduin: that will cause a crash in about 10 seconds...

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Anduin:

sshirley: you mean an encoder that take component input? or just one for non-HD? (should really look ate firewire from the STB, when it works some seem happy with it)

[05:48:44]

sshirley:

I get something similar. When I am in LiveTV and I escape out of it, mythfrontend crashes

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Anduin:

stephanez: tried different kernels? You can always hook up a serial console and see if the kernel crash can be seen there.

[05:49:46]

sshirley:

Anduin...one HD card for unencrypted and the stb via firewire for encrypted

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sshirley:

Or keep the PVR-500 for non-HD and the firewire for HD

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Anduin:

If firewire works I don't know why you'd go for a HD card (other than that it would be cheaper than an extra STB in a few months)

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Anduin:

Though if you are lucky enough to have things multiplex right, multirec is nice.

[05:52:03]

sshirley:

Well, I want to be able to record AND watch tv. That requires two sources (which is why I got my PVR-500 (with 2 tuners)).

[05:52:22]

sshirley:

whats multirec?

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Anduin:

Oh, live TV, ick :)

[05:52:37]

sshirley:

right :-)

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sshirley:

I mean, I could just use the TV for live TV and the myth for everything else

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Anduin:

sshirley: multiple PID filtering, allows you to record n things from the same multiplex

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sshirley:

Hmmmm....software or hardware?

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Anduin:

sshirley: the HD card (not encoding) just passes the data you tell it to (so a combo, with MythTV being the software part)

[05:55:07]

Anduin:

sshirley: If I wanted I could record NBC and whatever was on the Weather Plus channel as well (sometimes you end up with a multiplex layout that doesn't make multirec all that cool)

[05:55:38]

sshirley:

So I am better off getting two stb's

[05:56:32]

Anduin:

sshirley: You should check that firewire works and lets you get the channels you want (not that an HD card will work around that)

[05:57:52]

sshirley:

Ok. So first I'll get one stb from the cable company and give that a whirl with firewire (once I can get them to enable that port). Then if it works, maybe get another one

[05:58:25]

sshirley:

Although according to the multirec wiki, all digital cable transmissions in north america are multiplexed

[05:59:50]

Anduin:

sshirley: That is what I'd do, may also want to check silicondust's site to see what QAM is available in your area, if your primary interest is in the major networks it could be cheaper but you gave up on cheap when you started building an MythTV box anyway.

[06:00:36]

Anduin:

sshirley: Yes they are multiplexed, but it has to be the same one (generally 2–3 HD channels)

[06:00:54]

sshirley:

gotcha

[06:00:58]

stephanez:

Anduin: based on the ivtv mailing list, looks like it might be this #@($* via mobo....

[06:01:10]

stephanez:

kt333

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Anduin:

stephanez: Ah, wow, old

[06:02:40]

stephanez:

yah, didn't want to waste a new duo core to watch tv

[06:03:14]

Anduin:

Yeah, understandable, I used a PIII 1GHz until HD

[06:03:40]

stephanez:

looks like i'm going to replace this motherboard... hopefully i can find something at work...

[06:03:48]

sshirley:

According to silicon dust....not a lot of channels :-)

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Anduin:

stephanez: I seem to remember there being conflicting results about various VIA chipsets, it hasn't been an issue for most for some time though.

[06:04:31]

stephanez:

well, i'm using the latest firmware and kernel

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stephanez:

ohhh... well

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stephanez:

i'll try it with another mb

[06:05:39]

stephanez:

tnx

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Anduin:

stephanez: //www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06981.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-devel@lists. . . . sg06981.html

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Anduin:

oh well

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wayneandleanne:

hi all, does anybody have any ideas why mythbackend wont start at boot

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Hoxzer:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/330530

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hads|home:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/

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EvilGuru:

For Mythweb how intensive is converting MPEG2 SDTV to .flv on-the-fly?

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Fubarovic:

i'm running mythtv (0.20.2) on debian etch and i can't use my keyboard once i'm playing a movie

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Fubarovic:

all i can do is kill X using ctrl alt backspace

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Fubarovic:

my mousewheel works to skip forward/backward, but that's about it. where do i start looking?

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pifou:

I'm able to watch tvlive on some channels, but not on other channel (HD probably). I think it's a performances problem, but if I can watch livetv, how can I improve performances enough so I can watch HD live ?

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pifou:

using Athlon XP 1800 with 1GB RAM

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XLV:

pifou, others here that have setups receiving hd channels should be able to infom you more accuratly, but from what i know, most if not all hd broadcasts use mpeg2 with hd res, larger video/audio bitrate.. so you should enable mepg2 acceleration on your gpu http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC so theres some offloading from cpu to gpu

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corrr:

anyone happen to have a copy of the TVRage Importer script? the link http://www.jobs-khakis-chicks.com/MythTV/TVRa . . . vgrab-0.6.pl seems to be busted

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ryuo:

excuse me, what kind of TV tuner card should I be looking for use with mythtv?

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ryuo:

I have no experience in this area of linux hardware support, so any advice would be appreciated.

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** jamesd__ loves his kworld 115, about $80... with digital hd tv and analog (but i haven't even configured analog) **

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** ryuo doesn't need "HD". **

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jamesd__:

a few tweeks to make it work but other wise pain free...

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ryuo:

i don't mind tweaks. I have some hardware for my intended media center already with me

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jamesd__:

ryuo, what no digital channels? or you haven't seen digital...

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ryuo:

jamesd__: I have cable, but we don't have a HD tv

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jamesd__:

digital with rabit ears makes analog cable look crappy.

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ryuo:

but i'm not here to debate this. i just would like some idea of what hardware is supported (tv tuner cards and such)

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jamesd__:

my wife was prefering to watch digital tv on my 22" monitor, over a 27" tv

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jamesd__:

now i have a 42" lcd, and it totally rocks

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ryuo:

well, i doubt i could carry 42" around on my laptop :-p

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corrr:

i'm sure the wiki has plenty of info on that. i also find this hardware database handy: http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-pvrhwdb.php

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jamesd__:

whimp ;-)

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ryuo:

i still use a CRT monitor...

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ryuo:

:-p

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darthanubis:

nuvexport is not renaming the files it creates correctly, then end up like this %t_-__00_(04).avi

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** jamesd__ has LCD, but i have to work on sunday.... is it worth it... HELL YEAH! **

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corrr:

tvrage importer script... anyone? the only links i find are broken

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corrr:

having it attached to the mailing list post would have been much more convenient :)

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gimzo:

Hi, I'm trying to run mythtv-setup over ssh, it starts but it shows only boxes in the place of text. I guess I'm missing some font thinggy on the server, but I don't know what. Can anyone help me?

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a1fa:

mythtv-setup is X11 app

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a1fa:

you need to have X11 forwarding enabled

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a1fa:

and X on your machine

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gimzo:

It is enabled, the app starts

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a1fa:

why dont you just install vnc

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gimzo:

it just doesn't show any text

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a1fa:

dunno about that

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gimzo:

X was not installed on that machine, only what mythtv package depended on was installed, so I guess a font or something is missing

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darthanubis:

gimzo, why not just use mythweb and forward the port?

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clever:

i thought the fonts came from the x server end

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gimzo:

well, if I can configure (freshly installed) mythtv backend without mythtv-setup then I obviously won't need it :)

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clever:

i just use X11 over plain tcp

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clever:

no ssh -X

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clever:

i had to tweak my X server startup to listen on tcp

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clever:

and then i just xhost(or xauth) the other system in

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clever:

and DISPLAY=d630:0 mythtv-setup

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gimzo:

well, fixed, I installed complete xorg and now it works over ssh

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gimzo:

I guess libxfontcache was missing

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davisc:

This is going to sound like a really stupid question but how do I change channels in MythTV? Up/Down on either the remote control or keyboard just gives me a window with "Adding Char"

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mjj29:

that works for me...

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Hoxzer:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/330530 Any ideas what might cause this

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Anduin:

Hoxzer: It is hard to guess which thread that actually is

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Anduin:

Hoxzer: though looking at the main stack, TV::EventThread seems likely

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chasep:

last night I had a power outage, and the mythbox turned off.... now when I go to see recorded programs, it doesn't list any, nor does it list any schedulded recordings. if I connect to the database, everything is listed in the recordedprogram table, and all the files are still there and accessiable on the disc too

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clever:

chasep: check all other tables

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clever:

theres a script and stuff for it

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clever:

logs may also help(mysql logs)

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chasep:

clever: i think i might have found the issue, seems i no longer have Net::UPnp installed

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clever:

not shure how the perl packages affect the core of myth

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Anduin:

They wouldn't, checking for crashed tables is a good idea

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clever:

Anduin: and the mysql logs will also point out crashed tables

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Jonny0stars:

hello

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Anduin:

Jonny0stars: They are in the playback profiles screen, second one.

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Jonny0stars:

This is probably going to be a case of RTFM but where are the de-interlace settings in 0.21 they used to be under general > playback then on the first screen

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Jonny0stars:

ah ok thanks Anduin

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Jonny0stars:

Anduin: So setup > Tv Settings > Playback ?

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Anduin:

Jonny0stars: Yes, third screen, edit a profile, second screen is deinterlacer

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Jonny0stars:

Ah yes found it, Thanks very much Anduin

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Hoxzer:

Ok, guys :) I manage to find out new info regarding my segfault problem ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/330530 ). IT seems that it is mythvideo that manages to do those. When I have it disabled mythfrontend is stable

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Hoxzer:

:D Sad thing about is that actually mythvideo is the only plugin that I use

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FinnTux:

Hoxzer, I've also had problems with mythvideo crashing frontend. Updated finnish translation did it for me

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Hoxzer:

OH :O

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Hoxzer:

I'm using finnish translation too

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Hoxzer:

;) Thanks for info

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FinnTux:

previous finnish qm file fixed it

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FinnTux:

I've been to busy to make a anything about it

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FinnTux:

maybe you will :

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FinnTux:

:)

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offset:

I'm experiencing extremely slow thumbnail generation which started after 0.21. The perms for the thumbnail dir are 777 and I'm not sure what else to check.

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offset:

The only thing I can see in the server logs is this: RingBuf(/mnt/st/mythtv-data/store/9103_20080419230000.mpg.png): Could not open /mnt/st/mythtv-data/store/9103_20080419230000.mpg.png

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clever:

at some point they changed it to generate the thunmbnails in a seperate proc

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clever:

so it has to fork() for every one

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offset:

ugh.. so there is probably nothing i can do?

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offset:

it takes a good 5 seconds to get a thumbnail now

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clever:

thats avg for me:P

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clever:

i just shut thumbnails off

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offset:

i wouldn't really care that much but it blocks the gui

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clever:

i suspect 90% of my problem is the crappy master

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clever:

the hdd is weirdly slow

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

and lirc buttons dont even queue when the gui is blocked

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clever:

making it even more painfull

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offset:

thanks for the insight, I guess ill just disable thumbnails for now.

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** offset wonders why they can't just create a thread for thumbnailing **

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Anduin:

offset: sometimes the decoder can crash, taking out the backend

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offset:

thats a good explanation, but it seems like my thubnails are being generated on the frontend

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offset:

the file perms don't match the user the backend is running under

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davisc:

Does it matter if the channel number has letters in it?

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davisc:

Up/Down on either a keyboard and a remote control doesn't work

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natoka:

clever: weird slow? what do hdparm and bonnie say?

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clever:

the stats seem avg to me

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clever:

i can check them again

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clever:

but the hdd just performs weirdly

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natoka:

weird can be anything

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clever:

theP4,1G,14069,66,16999,9,6428,3,12250,45,21143,4,126.0,0,16,975,72,+++++,+++,++ +++,+++,950,70,+++++,+++,2291,74

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clever:

not shure which device that was

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clever:

also the fragmentation cant be helping it

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clever:

Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

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clever:

/dev/mapper/mainvg-mainlv

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clever:

389G 387G 2.5G 100% /media/mainlv

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natoka:

clever: the filesys is quite full

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clever:

that lvm volume is spread over 5 PV's

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natoka:

clever: that may create a problem

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natoka:

clever: with striping?

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clever:

the lv itself is fragmented in 24 peices

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clever:

no striping

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natoka:

clever: also lvm is known to be not so fast ...

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Anduin:

offset: the frontend requests a thumbnail, if it doesn't exist the backend creates it, really.

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clever:

but the massive ammount of lvextend's and pvmove's ive done has fragmented the lv into 24 peices

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clever:

ive made my own lvm defrag program

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clever:

but it takes hours

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clever:

and a kernel bug causes anything touching the lv to hardlock(and bring the pvmove with it)

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clever:

i suspect its a pair of locks being used out of order

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clever:

causing them to wait for eachother

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natoka:

smp machine?

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clever:

single core

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clever:

but the slowness of the cpu can stretch race conditions across the timeslice

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clever:

i suspect the giant pipeline is part of the killer

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clever:

model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500MHz

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clever:

flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm

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natoka:

i see

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natoka:

an other thing to note is also that the fs on top of the lvm could be quite fragmented

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

im checking that right now

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clever:

ext3 trys to pick free blocks properly to avoid fragmentation

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clever:

but with 0% free it has trouble:P

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clever:

and i have 0% reserved for root

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natoka:

as do other fs like reiser and xfs

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natoka:

and still they can fragment

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clever:

only way to realy solve that is to defrag in realtime as needed

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natoka:

and the only thing to resolve that is to move the stuff someplace else and reformat

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clever:

a rotating log based fs can avoid the fragmentation

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clever:

and improve write speeds

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clever:

i solve most of my ext3 level fragmentation by just moving all the fragmented files out for a min

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clever:

and hope the fragments are near eachother

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clever:

letting it pick a better layout when i move them back

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clever:

for lvm, i use a php script which just pvmove's the extents about

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clever:

at first i defraged it by hand

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clever:

hour after hour:P

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clever:

its still checking for fragmented files

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clever:

264gig to scan

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clever:

even though filefrag doesnt have to read the entire file, it seems like it does

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clever:

when it only needs to touch some of the metadata

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clever:

could need moar madvise()!

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michthom:

Please help – I'm hard of thinking tonight. I'm running two frontends on the same machine (different X displays). Is there any way to force each mythfrontend to use a specific 'custom identifier' option when starting up? I'm thinking of the -O switch but don't see what to specify.

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clever:

michthom: id run them under seperate usernames

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clever:

with there own private ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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clever:

which is where that option is kept

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clever:

mythtv and mythcrt would be a fun way to name them if you used both heads of the vid card:P

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michthom:

clever: Thanks. I'm not sure that'll be as easy as I'd hoped – the displays are :0.0 and :0.1, so both controlled by the same X server and therefore the main mythtv user...

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clever:

i had similar problems at first

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michthom:

But I'll certainly try that approach

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clever:

my X server was loged in by clever

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clever:

but mythtv ran as mythtv

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clever:

i simply copyed the xauth cookies over with this script

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clever:

sudo rm /tmp/auth;xauth extract /tmp/auth :0 &&sudo chown mythtv /tmp/auth && sudo -u mythtv xauth -f /home/mythtv/.Xauthority merge /tmp/auth && sudo rm /tmp/auth

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michthom:

Did you have to run xhost + or similar?

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michthom:

Aha I see

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clever:

'xhost +localhost' only works when tcp is enabled

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clever:

and lets all users in

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clever:

mythtv fails thru the unix socket(no cookie) so it then trys localhost thru tcp

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clever:

which is less safe because 'wideopenshellforfriend' can also login and play with your graphics:P

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michthom:

Aye but as I'm the alpha geek and everything in the house runs behind a hardware firewall I only have to f38r my 4.5 year old son :-)

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clever:

my firewall is a linux pc!

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clever:

iptables!

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michthom:

FTW

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clever:

natoka: part of the thing that may be slowing my master

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clever:

is all the nfs clients

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clever:

ive got 2 systems running nfsroot'ed off the master

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clever:

thru that 300gig lvm volume

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clever:

i can feel when the thing is high in iowait

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clever:

because the entire laptop gets slugish

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clever:

several feet away

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clever:

natoka: also every mythtv system is mounting /media/mainlv/ for the binarys of myth

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clever:

./configure --prefix= /media/mainlv/root/7.10/

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clever:

there filefrag done!

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clever:

./1051_20080409095800.mpg: 12650 extents found, perfection would be 11 extents

[19:40:06]

clever:

./1051_20080415135800.mpg: 13588 extents found, perfection would be 10 extents

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clever:

5 files over 10k fragments

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clever:

odd

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orko:

i have a dvb-t card and a cabel tv card. is it possible to use only the EPG from dvb-t for both cards?

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clever:

that episode should be 500mb by now

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orko:

right now i use EGP from dvb-t and a grabber for the cabel card.

[19:44:30]

clever:

weee

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orko:

s/from/from and for

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clever:

mythtranscode is riping thru this file like wet toilet paper

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clever:

core2duo 1.8ghz+100mbit to master

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clever:

lossless transcode

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clever:

making the entire system lag

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clever:

natoka: lol, even the 83kb png is broken into 5 fragments

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clever:

1051_20080415135800.mpg: 3246 extents found, perfection would be 9 extents

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clever:

10k fragments removed from the show

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clever:

in under 15mins

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clever:

natoka: and the sparse torrent files cant be helping things

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clever:

just by the way it works, it will fragment the file to crap

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michthom:

clever: Thanks for your help earlier. I think I've stumbled on an ideal solution for my needs. I copied my existing settings from ~/.mythtv into two config directories, ~/.mythtv_tv and ~/.mythtv_panel. Simply exporting the appropriate MYTHCONFDIR before invoking mythfrontend, works a treat. I can now have separate themes / geometries etc etc per frontend.

[20:06:57]

Lynet:

VideoOutputXv Error: GetRefreshRate(): X11 ModeLine query returned zeroes

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clever:

didnt know that env variable existed

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clever:

michthom: ive also had a diff problem with 2 frontends

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clever:

sometimes i started it on the crt while forgeting it was on the tvout

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clever:

and the upnp failed to bind to some port

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clever:

so it instantly assumed the backend was dead and went into some new upnp backend setup

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michthom:

clever: Luckily your prod pushed me to running mythfrontend --help!

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clever:

:)

[20:14:18]

clever:

a 2nd problem i get from using :0 and :1

[20:14:22]

clever:

is that the keyboard focus

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clever:

can only go where the mouse is aimed

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clever:

and mythtv also seems to be focrced to use a single lirc socket

[20:14:53]

clever:

so you would need seperate remote def's

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clever:

or use the remote for 1 and the keyboard for the other

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michthom:

clever: I got around that somewhat with xwit and some scripts to switch focus on remote keypresses

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clever:

but the keyboard would go to what you started last

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clever:

ahh nice

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clever:

id use that but my lirc is dead too now

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michthom:

Basically it looks for a window called mythfrontend on the given display and switches focus explicitly

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clever:

-bash: xwit: command not found

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michthom:

Oh it's ancient lore, but does compile against xorg

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clever:

ah

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clever:

i'll google later

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michthom:

http://linux.maruhn.com/sec/xwit.html

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clever:

ahh

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michthom:

If you want the scripts, email linux <AT> m-thomson <DOT> net

[20:17:08]

clever:

i can probly make them

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clever:

another minor prob i can think of

[20:17:36]

clever:

the color scheme changes some when myth doesnt have focus

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clever:

running seperate X servers would fix several problems

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clever:

:0 and :1

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clever:

but thats not easy

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michthom:

Yes, the highlights don't highlight properly.

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clever:

ive tryed to run a :1 on a older pci card before

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michthom:

Ah well, wife is happy, so therefore I won't push the envelope

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clever:

but its hard to get :1 AND :0 working at once

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clever:

with input also

[20:19:06]

clever:

both vga ports went into a kvm

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clever:

and both took a 'usb keyboard/mouse' from the kvm

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clever:

no real uniq feature to either to tell which Xorg the input belonged to

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michthom:

The input is the killer. Maybe one day xorg will evolve to allow multiple / multiplexed core pointers / keyboards?

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clever:

evdev is what i was using

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michthom:

but multiplexed is scary too – one click on two displays at once?

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clever:

which let me pick a certain device

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clever:

by its /dev/input/eventX

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michthom:

Ah – now *I* have to do some googling!

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clever:

but that changes at boot

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clever:

google up multi seat

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clever:

most of the ones i see explain how to get 2+ login screens

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clever:

with gdm

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clever:

so several people can share a overly powerfull quad core

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clever:

and not waste power

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michthom:

Ain't Linux grand. Enough options to let you shoot off both feet at once, but all entirely at your control

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clever:

also

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clever:

ive yet to find a way to split both heads of a card between 2 x servers

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clever:

so i cant get the tvout and vga seperated directly

[20:22:48]

clever:

but then theres xnest and friends

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michthom:

I thought the nvidia drivers could do it – are you an ATI man?

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clever:

nvidia on the tvout desktop

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clever:

xnest(and related things) are both X client and server

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clever:

you run a master X server on all heads

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michthom:

Hmm. I assume you've read the nvidia readme all the way through and backwards to boot?

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clever:

then xnest opens a window on :0.0

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clever:

and displays its own clients in there

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clever:

xnest takes its own input from xorg(when it has focus)

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clever:

the variants read right from /dev/input/something(letting them not need focus)

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clever:

nope dont think ive ever touched the nvidia readme

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clever:

also i cant even get ONLY tvout

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clever:

if i dont use the vga the entire card refuses to work

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michthom:

Sounds like you're out on the bleeding edge with your setup, so I'll quietly bow out. Thanks again for the help, I've only been stuck for about a year on that problem (off and on)

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AcTiVaTe:

I just use TwinView afaik

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clever:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3)

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clever:

02:0b.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. ViRGE/DX or /GX (rev 01)

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AcTiVaTe:

wow, S3 Virge

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clever:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 135M (rev a1)

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AcTiVaTe:

I used to have dualhead cards of those

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clever:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02)

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clever:

AcTiVaTe: i think i have a tvout dualhead agp s3 card

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clever:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x (rev 02)

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clever:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 5c)

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clever:

00:0b.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage II+ 215GTB [Mach64 GTB] (rev 9a)

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AcTiVaTe:

All on 01:00.0 or different machines?

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clever:

thats the vga from every linux system thats running right now

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clever:

only 2 of those cards share a box

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clever:

the nv17 and s3

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clever:

the mach64 is on a 2.4 kernel

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clever:

i could double my ram if i used a hack to borrow video memory:P

[20:28:47]

clever:

only 1 ati card works well(including hardware accel and compiz)

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clever:

the rest are semi buggy and underpowered(compiz no worky:P)

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clever:

also the ati cant use Xv as a 3d texture so compiz messes with the color key

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Lynet:

Whow, a ViRGE. That's a blast from the past.

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clever:

i have 2 or 3 of those

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clever:

ive heard that its just a bare frame buffer

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Lynet:

They're supposed to have some 3D "decelleration"

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clever:

lol

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clever:

would it even have a xv overlay?

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clever:

that works by having a 2nd bmpish formated buffer overlayed somewhere

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Lynet:

Dunno. I seem to recall speaking to someone writing a Mesa driver for it, and he was not impressed. :D

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clever:

lol

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clever:

ive had to use the vesa driver once or twice

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gimzo:

Hi, me again. I'm stuck on scanning now. I have DVB-S card and the dish is looking to Astra 19.2E and Hotbird 13E (2 lnbs, switch), and everything works ok except that I only can scan single transponder (the one for whom parameters are put in). As those satellites have around 100 transponders each, I suppose there is a way to make it scan all of them.

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gimzo:

And, I tried importing channels.conf, and it doesn't work

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Wabi:

hi

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Wabi:

im folloing the installation guide and im stuck at the beggining: I cant log on as mythtv, dont know the pass and cant change it

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gimzo:

can you log on as root?

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Wabi:

ya

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gimzo:

then you can change password

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Wabi:

I try to

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Wabi:

but it seems it doesnt change

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gimzo:

what are you logging on to?

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Wabi:

I dont know if it matters but the login shell for mythtv is /sbin/nologin

[22:10:18]

Wabi:

hmm kde...

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gimzo:

and what does it say when you try to log in?

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Wabi:

wrong pass

[22:11:17]

Wabi:

maybe i have to unlock it?

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gimzo:

maybe

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gimzo:

what os are you using?

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Wabi:

pclinux

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gimzo:

that /sbin/nologin is there to stop you from logging in, I think

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gimzo:

so probably account is disabled or something like that

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Wabi:

ok i changed it, brb

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clever_:

gimzo: i mostly see accounts being disabled by making the pw hash invalid

[22:14:17]

clever_:

thru use of a 2nd !

[22:14:23]

clever_:

or something

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clever_:

in shadow/passwd

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clever_:

passwd -l does it

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clever_:

ahh my ghost is dead!

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gimzo:

anyway, can you help me with dvb scanning problems?

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Wabi:

yea that was it

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clever:

gimzo: all i can say is google it to death:P

[22:20:30]

clever:

or mail me a dvb card

[22:20:41]

clever:

or paypal me something for a dvb card:P

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gimzo:

I'm googling right now :)

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clever:

whoa

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clever:

batery got down to 29%

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clever:

and i didnt even notice it

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clever:

could have fallen out an hour ago when i moved the laptop and started playing that 264 file

[22:23:51]

clever:

264 realy kills the batery:P

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gimzo:

264 kills my cpu :)

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gimzo:

hopefully ati GPU will get some kind of cpu offload so I can watch 264 :)

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clever:

c2d 1.8ghz

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clever:

and single core 1.6ghz

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clever:

both those laptops can handle 264

[22:25:07]

clever:

the c2d with ease

[22:25:16]

clever:

but its still 100% freq and 100% load

[22:25:35]

clever:

the 1.6 is currently running in 600mhz mode(less power/heat)

[22:25:46]

clever:

but still 100% 600mhz because of the boinc

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gimzo:

is that 264 1080p ?

[22:26:26]

clever:

1280x720_x264

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clever:

VO: [xv] 1280x720 => 1280x720 Planar YV12

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clever:

VDec: vo config request – 1280 x 720 (preferred colorspace: Planar YV12)

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clever:

VIDEO: [avc1] 1280x720 24bpp 23.976 fps 0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s)

[22:27:04]

clever:

plain mp3 it seems for the aud

[22:27:08]

clever:

with an hda intel card

[22:27:16]

clever:

it keeps warning about a lack of a hardware mixer

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clever:

so its doing the volume in cpu

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gimzo:

I think 1280x720 would possibly work here, but I tried 1920x1080 and it doesn't work :)

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clever:

and the cheap buggers only gave me 1 channel output

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clever:

MONO output on the laptop!!!

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gimzo:

Athlon64 3700+ -> 2200Mhz

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clever:

i have 3 dell laptops

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clever:

root@olddell:~# cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies

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clever:

1000000 700000

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clever:

d630 c2d 1801000 1800000 1200000 800000

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clever:

d600 single core 1600000 1400000 1200000 1000000 800000 600000

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clever:

its basicaly underclocking to save power

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clever:

the olddell(a c600) locks up solid(entire userspace atleast) whenever the cpu freq changes

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clever:

which causes some fun buffer overflow on the ps2 stream(touch pad and keyboard)

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gimzo:

Here works ok (and it's not even a laptop) :)

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clever:

i loose some bytes and movements turn into clicking randomly everywhere

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clever:

was f*cking anoying when i had no idea why

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clever:

id ls a big folder

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clever:

masive cpu usage

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clever:

freq up

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clever:

lockup!

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gimzo:

unless I'm playing UT which gets cpu clock before it starts using it and when the clock changes, so does the game speed :)

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clever:

then i go to punch in a cd or something

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clever:

half way thru, its idle!, lower freq, lockup!

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clever:

EVERY SINGLE time i typed a command!

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clever:

i 'fixed' it by making it wait 30 seconds between changes

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clever:

so they happen alot less freq and it needs to be high usage for the entire 30 sec

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clever:

less power on demand but more responsive overall

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clever:

i also made the thing setuid so i can change it thru a gnome widget

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Wabi:

ok im stucked again, now its when i have to enter mythtv-setup

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Wabi:

it says command not found

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gimzo:

try /usr/sbin/mythtv-setup

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clever:

PATH probly isnt being set right

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Wabi:

same thing

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Wabi:

[root@localhost mythtv]# updatedb

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Wabi:

[root@localhost mythtv]# locate mythtv-setup

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Wabi:

[root@localhost mythtv]#

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gimzo:

on fedora 7 sbin directories are not in path

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neztiti:

hi guys

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gimzo:

Wabi: how did you install mythtv?

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clever:

gimzo: same on redhat9

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clever:

sbin's arent in non root path

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Wabi:

following this guide: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . Installation

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Wabi:

and with synaptic

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clever:

sbin is for system admins mostly

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clever:

it also gives a bit of a false security

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neztiti:

does mythtv works with NVidia GeForce FX 5200 tvout

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gimzo:

they aren't in root path in f7 also :)

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clever:

lsof no worky != disabled

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clever:

gimzo: i might have fixed that myself but the install is 4 years old

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clever:

2.4.20–8

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clever:

Filesystem created: Sat Dec 11 23:40:37 2004

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clever:

(dumpe2fs on root)

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gimzo:

well, I installed debian recently, and I'm happy now :)

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clever:

i used redhat9 on my laptop as the 2nd main linux system

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clever:

then replaced it with ubuntu later on

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clever:

now ubuntu is on nearly everything

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clever:

except the router which is lfs

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clever:

ive even made some nfs root'ed ubuntu's using debootstrap

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clever:

im typing from one of the nfsroot's right now

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clever:

only major problem is the keyboard randomly dies in a few programs(firefox,pidgin,mythtv atleast)

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clever:

and ANY lag in nfs causes the whole system to crawl

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clever:

but it is sharing the root across 3 systems without any noticable problems

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gimzo:

is that booting over network or just root?

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clever:

whole thing over the net

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clever:

dhcp gets pxelinux

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clever:

which gets the kernel over tftp

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clever:

the initrd then mounts the root over nfs

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clever:

im able to 'borrow' dads work laptop(with the c2d 1.8ghz) without messing up his hdd and special xp install

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gimzo:

I'm planning to do something like that for some mythtv STBs I'm planning to build when I get some money

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clever:

i set it up to boot a bare X with mythfrontend by default

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clever:

but i rarely actualy use it for that

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clever:

i mostly ctrl+alt+backspace and startx

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clever:

its got an entire gnome+compiz+ff+other bloat

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clever:

which doesnt realy matter because im sharing it between 3 systems(3 installs for the price of 1!)

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clever:

and its on the 300gig lvm array

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clever:

Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

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clever:

/dev/mapper/mainvg-mainlv

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clever:

389G 384G 4.7G 99% /media/mainlv

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clever:

i could probly install EVERY package in ubuntu and not run out of space(if i delete enough recordings)

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gimzo:

you have 350+ GB of recordings?

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clever:

250 for myth

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clever:

264G /media/mainlv/mythtv/

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PatrickDK:

heh, beginners :)

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clever:

rest is other crap(anime and music mainly)

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clever:

and several disk images

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clever:

the c600's hdd went tits up just as i finished the nfsroot

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clever:

so i just booted it on nfs

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clever:

and imaged what was left of the drive

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clever:

perfect recovery platform!

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clever:

its low on ram so i have it swaping from the dying drive

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clever:

but other then that it works fine

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clever:

except for the odd segfault when i pageout to a bad sector

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clever:

27G /media/mainlv/music

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clever:

64G /media/mainlv/videos

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clever:

whoa

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clever:

48mb of session files for php!

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clever:

when did they get so big

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clever:

though the 60 day expire setting may be partialy at fault...

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PatrickDK:

hmm, I have 516gigs in myth so far

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PatrickDK:

and another 952gig in mythvideo

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clever:

ive probly got half a tb in total

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clever:

between all my systems

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PatrickDK:

been converting everything I have into h264

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clever:

PatrickDK: http://www.privatepaste.com/891sP5ERFO

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clever:

thats most of the larger volumes

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