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Thursday, April 17th, 2008, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:25] keithy4: ah
[00:02:38] ice9: I thought Verizon quit FIOS
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[00:02:54] iamlindoro: not at all, they're rolling it out like crazy
[00:03:07] ice9: I take it back then
[00:03:09] ice9: lol
[00:03:16] ice9: hearing things
[00:03:44] iamlindoro: No big deal. Wouldn't mind getting it in my area, best picture quality by a fair bit
[00:03:53] ice9: I have only tried vlc with streaming video
[00:04:00] iamlindoro: but they're still lighting up the other half of the state right now
[00:04:04] ice9: is it much more with multicast
[00:04:39] iamlindoro: nothing too tough, File->Open Network, tick the Multicast box, put in the ip and port, click ok, and away you go
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[00:05:59] ice9: great no clue what the port would be
[00:06:05] ice9: have to sniff it then
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[00:12:22] phanohanover: is there someone familiar with the weather plugin?
[00:12:46] phanohanover: hello?
[00:12:53] phanohanover: no one knows it?
[00:13:07] iamlindoro: Maybe if you waited more than three seconds?
[00:13:28] phanohanover: sorry!
[00:13:36] phanohanover: can you help me out?
[00:13:41] iamlindoro: and instead of asking to ask, you just asked your question? Jesus Christ..
[00:13:48] phanohanover: ok...
[00:14:05] iamlindoro: Then if someone knows, and more importantly wants to help, they will
[00:14:16] phanohanover: I am on 0.21 and I have tried getting the plugin to work but nothing went straight...
[00:14:38] phanohanover: my plugin will not get the info from the weather org...
[00:14:56] phanohanover: I am in Canada (montreal). I have used the rpm to install.
[00:15:15] phanohanover: I am not a pro under fedora 6 neither in linux but I know a bit.
[00:15:28] phanohanover: I am setting the myth up for my living room.
[00:15:43] phanohanover: all the other stuff seems to work but for that plugin
[00:15:59] phanohanover: dvb-hdtv-music etc works good...
[00:16:10] keithy4: the enter key is not a substitute for punctuation
[00:16:10] phanohanover: i am not getting error messages or else...
[00:16:17] phanohanover: sorry
[00:16:24] Aval0n: justinh: you around?
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[00:17:15] phanohanover: There are pages showing a different stup page for the plugin way different then the one i get from the various installs i have made yet.
[00:17:58] phanohanover: am i allowed to insert the url of the setup page here?
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[00:20:09] phanohanover: well i guess no one knows about that ...thanks anyway guys...i ll figure it out myself. many thanks
[00:20:12] iamlindoro: yes, a URL is fine
[00:20:32] Aval0n: iamlindoro: are you familiar with spdif and pinouts at all?
[00:21:03] iamlindoro: Aval0n: only a signal and ground, no?
[00:21:16] Aval0n: well I have this new c2d board
[00:21:20] Aval0n: and it has an HD audio link row
[00:21:29] Aval0n: 16 pins header
[00:21:53] Aval0n: for singal possibilities I have SDI SDO SYNC RST and BCLK
[00:22:02] Aval0n: SD (in) (out) possibly
[00:22:10] Aval0n: is what sdi and sdi would mean
[00:22:30] Aval0n: just trying to figure out if I can pull spdif outta there
[00:23:26] iamlindoro: I don't think you're going to pull a spdif out off of that
[00:23:39] iamlindoro: Those HD audio headers are usually for front panel analog outs
[00:23:55] iamlindoro: ie Mic, headphone, Line in
[00:23:59] Aval0n: o rlly
[00:24:11] iamlindoro: erm... yes, rly
[00:24:13] iamlindoro: http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/des . . . s-015851.htm
[00:24:57] iamlindoro: My experience has usually been that if there's a spdif out it's a seperate header on the board
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[00:25:33] Aval0n: it has a toslink cable
[00:25:49] Aval0n: but I need to get 2 pins to plug into the video card for hdmi audio passthrough
[00:26:17] iamlindoro: yes, and like I said, those are usually off on their own-- your new motherboard will have a map of the headers in the manual
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[00:26:24] Aval0n: yeah
[00:26:27] Aval0n: there isn't a seperate
[00:26:32] iamlindoro: if S/PDIF is there, it's very likely to be on its own
[00:26:32] Aval0n: I've searched over the board
[00:26:38] iamlindoro: then you don't have one
[00:26:59] Aval0n: I didn't wanna do this but it looks like I'm going to have to solder to the toslink
[00:27:06] Aval0n: o wells
[00:27:41] iamlindoro: If you are sure they are pin-compatible...
[00:27:59] Aval0n: hmm
[00:28:04] Aval0n: I have 2 headers on this board
[00:28:07] Aval0n: FP audio link
[00:28:15] Aval0n: io link
[00:28:17] Aval0n: HD audio link
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[00:28:26] Aval0n: io link = typo
[00:28:45] Aval0n: the FP one looks like the URL you pasted
[00:29:41] iamlindoro: Aval0n: HD Audio is an industry term, it does *not* mean digital outs
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[00:30:17] iamlindoro: likely two sets of posts so that you can choose accordingly for your case
[00:31:35] Aval0n: yeah
[00:31:51] Aval0n: except I am looking at the manual
[00:31:56] Aval0n: and the pis do completely seperate things
[00:32:10] Aval0n: the hd audio link has a 3.3v/1.5v stby
[00:32:19] Aval0n: that shouldn't = analog audio
[00:32:21] Aval0n: shouldn't need that
[00:32:46] Aval0n: still a brick wall though
[00:33:16] iamlindoro: Aval0n: you are grasping at straws and making up the gaps-- unless it's explicitly a spdif out, it's *not*
[00:33:46] Aval0n: probably right ;)
[00:34:04] iamlindoro: If you need coax so bad, why not just get a toslink to coaxial adapter?
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[00:34:34] iamlindoro: It's a $15 part and you won't be doing anything silly to your board
[00:35:42] chasep: can anyone recommend a good tutorial on how to set the transcode settings for the different levels? I tried it on my own and ended up with a bunch of recordings without sound.
[00:35:43] Aval0n: well I need to run the spdif to 2 devices
[00:35:51] Aval0n: and the coax is terminated
[00:36:05] Aval0n: so I don't think that would work
[00:36:22] Aval0n: on my last board I just soldered to the pins
[00:36:30] Aval0n: but I can't fine the documentation from when I did it
[00:36:34] Aval0n: and I don't wanna get the pins wrong ;)
[00:36:55] Aval0n: o wells
[00:37:19] iamlindoro: *if* they're pin-compatible, which I dunno about, the signal pin versus the ground should be awful simple to figure out w/ an ohm meter
[00:37:55] Aval0n: the one with the most resistance being signal correct?
[00:38:32] iamlindoro: in theory
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[00:40:35] keithy4: use a temporary connection, like alligator clips or cut a fan cable and use the header from that, to see if it's what you want, before you bust out the soldering iron
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[00:45:14] iamlindoro: alligator clips are probably a good *permanent colution too, as you might want to sell the board/remove the video card at some point
[00:45:19] iamlindoro: er solution
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[01:03:19] keithy4: can I add a storage group without restarting the backend?
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[01:03:43] iamlindoro: Don't think so
[01:03:48] keithy4: shit
[01:04:04] hads: You can try :)
[01:04:04] iamlindoro: Well, you can probably *add* one, but can't expect it to take effect, anyway
[01:04:10] keithy4: ok
[01:04:19] keithy4: can I move recordings between storage groups?
[01:04:27] hads: Yeah
[01:04:39] keithy4: do I have to tell myth that i've moved them?
[01:04:39] hads: Probably not if they are still being written to.
[01:04:54] hads: As long as they are in a storage group myth will find them.
[01:05:00] keithy4: ok
[01:05:10] keithy4: sweet
[01:06:46] keithy4: any recommended filesystem for a storage group?
[01:07:45] hads: Pretty much whatever you like these days.
[01:08:06] keithy4: ext3 it is
[01:08:07] hads: I like JFS, XFS is common but EXT3 would be fine too.
[01:08:33] hads: There used to be an issue with deleting files taking too long on EXT3 but I don't believe it's an issue any more.
[01:08:56] keithy4: thus the "delete slowly" stuff?
[01:11:06] hads: Yeah
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[01:23:26] ** nevyn likes XFS **
[01:23:38] nevyn: it's got lots of knobs to twiddle.
[01:23:54] ** J-e-f-f-A likes JFS .. ;-) **
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[01:24:42] a1fa: hi
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[01:44:56] ajh: So, I heard commfree in mythweb is depricated, is that true for 0.21 or just newer?
[01:45:40] GreyFoxx: newer
[01:45:50] ajh: ok, thanks.
[01:45:51] GreyFoxx: It's not been used in code for years
[01:45:59] GreyFoxx: but the database field was removed after 0.21
[01:46:03] nevyn: GreyFoxx: I'm much more worried about latency than the cpu cost.
[01:46:18] ajh: ah, ok just removing fields from the channel editor that I don't use.
[01:46:23] GreyFoxx: ummm.... what?
[01:46:34] GreyFoxx: nev" ummm.... what?
[01:46:46] nevyn: GreyFoxx: conversation from yesterday re using mysql replication to a frontend
[01:47:38] GreyFoxx: latency is practically nothing on such a thing
[01:47:50] GreyFoxx: your talking trivial amounts of data over a lan
[01:47:55] nevyn: GreyFoxx: sql connect to the very busy very loaded backend with the database is expensive.
[01:48:20] GreyFoxx: We don't open/close a new connection for every query, that'd be stupid :)
[01:48:34] nevyn: so there is a connection pool?
[01:48:41] GreyFoxx: yes :)
[01:48:46] nevyn: ok.
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[01:50:38] ajh: Does the schedules direct channel data happen to specify language?
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[01:53:23] GreyFoxx: ajh: I think the data does, but I don't believe myth stores/processes it
[01:57:57] ajh: ok, just wondering about doing channel scan filter sets.
[02:01:42] a1fa: i have a wierd issue
[02:01:48] a1fa: everyonece in a while sound scrambles
[02:01:58] a1fa: its on recording
[02:02:08] a1fa: i wonder if thats from shitty cable provider
[02:02:10] a1fa: or puter
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[02:47:08] Stradini: I'm failing to find reasonable documentation online on how to convert (using mencoder or ffmpeg) mythtv nuvelo files to a format I can sync with a Zune. Any suggestions?
[02:47:54] ajh: Hrm, if a channel is hidden will the recording scheduler doing 'any channel' skip it or not?
[02:49:28] iamlindoro: Stradini: Just use nuvexport and figure out which of the presents will work with your *shudder* Zune
[02:49:47] iamlindoro: likely the ipod MP4 setting or xvid avi or something like that
[02:49:56] iamlindoro: er presents=presets
[02:50:17] keithy4: you might have to go to avi or mpeg first, and then use some windows tool to make it zune-friendly... wmv maybe?
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[02:50:52] iamlindoro: if It won't parse AVI I'd be surprised... but maybe not *that* surprised given the source
[02:50:54] ajh: Because it would be nice to be able to mark a channel not visible, but still let it be used to schedule around conflicts.
[02:51:10] ajh: Since so many channels are broadcast over and over on sat.
[02:51:33] Stradini: iamlindoro: not *my* zune...girlfriend's zune ;)
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[02:51:56] Stradini: keithy4: ffmpeg supports wmv2/3, it seems...
[02:52:11] Stradini: But the documentation for a) what zune supports and b) how to actually convert is slim ;(
[02:52:55] iamlindoro: ffmpeg does, and nuvexport is more or less a frontend for ffmpeg and mencoder... but if you're not willing to put in the time to learn it (since the conversion you propose is quite simple) and since I don't intend to teach it, nuvexport may be the simplest solution for us all
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[02:53:50] iamlindoro: One of the XViD, MP4, or ASF settings is bound to work
[02:54:26] Stradini: iamlindoro: user-to-user support must be a misnomer. in any case, the latest version of nuvexport seems to be incompatible with the version of mythtv I'm using: "Can't locate object method "new_recording" via package "MythTV" at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/mythtv/recordings.pm line 64"
[02:55:13] iamlindoro: Stradini: Simple fix, but I guess since you're leading off with crass remarks I won't burden you with it
[02:55:40] Stradini: iamlindoro: simple for a developer perhaps.
[02:56:01] iamlindoro: PS, documentation for what the zune supports is indeed slim, first google result for "zune video format" Anyway, good luck!
[02:58:16] keithy4: can't we all just get along?
[02:58:59] iamlindoro: keithy4: Aw, c'mon, you've been around long enough to know the answer to *that* ;)
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[02:59:28] keithy4: iamlindoro: yah, i know. i just couldn't resist
[02:59:46] a1fa: hm
[02:59:51] a1fa: this would make a nice frontend
[02:59:52] a1fa: http://www.minifsk.com/
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[03:00:45] a1fa: anybody built LTSP frontends?
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[03:01:01] keithy4: i was just looking into it, actually
[03:01:19] iamlindoro: That is not remotely enough horsepower to act as a frontend
[03:01:46] a1fa: not even for video?
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[03:02:00] a1fa: what has this world come to.. think of the children
[03:02:22] iamlindoro: Not sure what you mean by that-- It'd be a minor miracle to make this thing limp though the lowest bitrate SD
[03:02:40] iamlindoro: and that's if, and only if the video card is well supported and hardware accelerated
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[03:02:58] iamlindoro: Can't seem to see what the video chip is, though
[03:04:06] a1fa: http://www.pcengines.ch/alix3c3.htm
[03:04:26] a1fa: via maybe
[03:05:06] iamlindoro: a1fa: The People using the Epia boards at 1 Ghz need hardware accel just to get SD video... that 500 Mhz Geode is a lost cause
[03:05:13] a1fa: hehe
[03:05:15] a1fa: sucks
[03:05:21] a1fa: its a good idea
[03:06:21] iamlindoro: For the same price you can get an appleTV which, even though I think it's a shit idea as a frontend, is a huge step up... for a bit more, a mac mini will play anything you throw at it
[03:06:30] a1fa: ;P
[03:06:32] a1fa: or xbox
[03:06:39] keithy4: sure, as network-serial and network-usb adapter
[03:06:50] keithy4: for $200
[03:06:55] keithy4: maybe as a wireless access point
[03:07:04] keithy4: that'd be a good deal if it supported PoE
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[03:07:33] A-: that minifsk? it does
[03:07:43] iamlindoro: And xbox can be made to work for SD ok, but at the same price you can do some HD in a smaller, silent package w/ the apple TV. No contest.
[03:07:56] iamlindoro: Similar package and play anything you want w/ a Mac Mini.
[03:08:05] A-: Power: DC jack or passive POE, min. 7V to max. 20V
[03:08:10] A-: from http://www.minifsk.com/order/
[03:08:19] a1fa: haha
[03:08:21] a1fa: pasive POE
[03:08:37] A-: iamlindoro: unless you want svideo or composite out ;)
[03:08:38] a1fa: thats not the same thing
[03:09:07] a1fa: well, it would be nice if you could get debian to install nicelly on appletv
[03:09:07] A-: find me a device under $500 that supports 802.3af
[03:09:17] a1fa: :)
[03:09:22] A-: any "cheap" device will only do "passive" poe
[03:09:24] a1fa: they all support it passive
[03:09:36] A-: keep the kiddies from licking the cat5 and it doesn't matter
[03:09:51] iamlindoro: a1fa: Debian and Ubuntu both install fine on ATV, and the ATV can have composite out added
[03:10:19] a1fa: cool
[03:10:27] a1fa: it does 720p?
[03:10:28] a1fa: right?
[03:10:34] A-: the only composite hacks I could find for the atv involved plugging in x, unplugging y, do a dance etc
[03:10:34] iamlindoro: not that I'm recommending it, if you have any thoughts of playing anything besides broadcast MPEG-2 or low bitrate h.264, forget it. My quiet small frontend of choice is the mini
[03:10:41] A-: is there something more permanite?
[03:10:42] iamlindoro: yep, 720p, nvidia graphics
[03:10:56] a1fa: not bad
[03:11:06] a1fa: right now i have 3200+ AMD,
[03:11:10] a1fa: 2.5GB ram
[03:11:22] iamlindoro: A-: Think there's a more permanent hack w/ a linux install
[03:11:33] a1fa: GeForce 7600 GS
[03:11:37] a1fa: its a frontend and a backend
[03:11:54] iamlindoro: time for food
[03:12:43] A-: http://wiki.awkwardtv.org/wiki/Composite#Acti . . . _by_software
[03:12:46] A-: ah yep
[03:12:47] A-: nice
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[03:41:42] skigil: hello
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[03:42:36] skigil: hello
[03:43:31] skigil: i have a question regarding LIRC support on Slackintosh if anyone is interested
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[03:45:10] cesman: hello
[03:45:25] ** cesman wonders what is a "slackintosh"... **
[03:45:55] skigil: haha
[03:46:02] skigil: i got that in another room
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[03:46:59] skigil: has anyone tried installing LIRC on slackintosh? i am trying to install it from source and i am having a devlish time getting it to install. i keep getting Make errors
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[03:48:53] skigil: ..so i wasn't sure if anyone had heard of anyone trying to install LIRC on a Slackintosh box. I can't seem to find anything within google.
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[03:51:33] cesman: skigil: if you got that in another room, do you think perhaps you should explain what a "slackintosh" is?
[03:51:46] cesman: skigil: perhaps lirc.org?
[03:52:07] cesman: skigil: perhaps #slackintosh?
[03:52:18] skigil: slackintosh is the operation system that myth-tv runs on. so like ubuntu or slackware or debian or mandrake or fedora core, etc.
[03:52:29] skigil: yeah, i've been to all those places
[03:52:31] iamlindoro_: not to mention "make errors" in unhelpfully unspecific
[03:52:34] iamlindoro_: er is
[03:52:51] skigil: you are right, it is very unspecific.
[03:52:53] iamlindoro_: cesman: to answer for him, looks like it's Slackware on PPC
[03:53:04] skigil: let me be a little more specific :
[03:53:05] cesman: hi iamlindoro_
[03:53:10] cesman: how are you this evening?
[03:53:17] iamlindoro_: fine, thanks, you?  :)
[03:53:26] cesman: iamlindoro_: kinda figured something like that given the name
[03:53:26] skigil: make: *** No rule to make target `Kernel', needed by `ERROR'. Stop.
[03:53:32] cesman: well thanks
[03:53:38] skigil: that is the Make error i am getting
[03:53:52] cesman: skigil: perhaps you need the kernel headers?
[03:54:17] iamlindoro_: are you using a command like "make kernel?"
[03:54:36] iamlindoro_: and if you're following a guide, link?
[03:54:53] skigil: no. i did the "./setup.sh" and then i ran "make" and came up with that error
[03:55:00] iamlindoro_: but I expect cesman is right on, likely missing kernel headers
[03:55:02] skigil: no i am not following a guide
[03:55:56] skigil: hmm..i am going to need to find those.....
[03:56:20] ** cesman goes back to his G&T and work work... **
[03:57:01] ** cesman would think a "MythTV distro" would include LIRC ;) **
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[04:01:16] skigil: i'm doing mythtv from scratch.
[04:01:25] skigil: slackintosh is not an official distro
[04:01:38] skigil: i'm doing everything the hard way :P
[04:04:48] cesman: there is no official distro
[04:05:35] cesman: use what you want
[04:09:45] iamlindoro_: humbly, if missing dependencies are an insurmountable problem, myth from scratch may not be the best course of action
[04:12:54] skigil: i think my installation of my OS went a little wonky. I had to do it twice before it booted correctly. I'm kinda using a Frankenstein type machine...so that could be it too....i have a lot going against me. BUT, LIRC is the LAST thing i need to install before i have a fully working Myth-TV set up. I even have MythWeb and a lot of the other, extra stuff running :)
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[04:27:34] bbeattie: I can't find the screen calibration plugin anymore, was this removed for .21 release or just moved into a non-plugin?
[04:29:16] iamlindoro_: it's just not a plugin any more
[04:29:29] iamlindoro_: utilities/setup->Screen Wizards IIRC
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[04:31:11] JohnMahowald: Gah still have to kill Flash before Myth sound, oh the perils of a frontend on my desktop
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[04:32:59] bbeattie: iamlindoro_: thanks.
[04:33:10] iamlindoro_: no problem
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[05:49:11] fryfrog: anyone around for a quick "i'm not retarded" check? is http://fryfrog.com *black* in firefox?
[05:51:17] otwin: fryfrog: yes
[05:52:17] fryfrog: i cleared my firefox profile and it seems to be working again, wonder what made it go all wonky
[05:53:23] fryfrog: thanks otwin, btw :)
[05:55:38] otwin: so how is your new job ;)
[05:56:35] fryfrog: pretty awesome!
[05:56:38] fryfrog: no no
[05:56:43] fryfrog: totally awesome :)
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[08:46:13] ^Willie^: morning
[08:46:26] ^Willie^: is there a working live cd somewhere so i can test before installing ?
[08:46:51] ^Willie^: mythbuntu is not working at all kernel crash right afther loading smp stuff that just work with my gentoo cd`s
[08:47:30] justinh: #ubuntu-mythtv is <<<< that-a-way
[08:51:03] ^Willie^: that cd is compiled with the wrong settings
[08:51:07] xris: justinh: from my sister in nigeria: http://www.forevermore.net/misc/roach_sprite.jpg
[08:51:31] ^Willie^: the call it i386 and my k6 is a problem and on my p4 it just crashes right afther loading smp stuff in the kernel sounds like march v.s. mtune compiler setting
[08:52:00] ^Willie^: i did never trust ubuntu btw this is an other fact that tell`s why
[08:52:01] justinh: xris: eeew!
[08:52:29] xris: her friend almost drank it.  :)
[08:54:05] directhex|bsp: jms@orac:~> grep -c ^processor /proc/cpuinfo
[08:54:05] directhex|bsp: 256
[08:54:33] directhex|bsp: ^Willie^, i deal with bigger and badder shit than you on a daily basis. you don't understand the first thing about what you claim to. installing gentoo does not make you cool.
[08:54:49] Saviq: hmm guys is the 'set bookmark and exit' on recordings not available anymore? or am I a lil' blind?
[08:55:15] justinh: always pays to do an md5sum on downloaded images before burning them. saves looking stupid later
[08:55:31] ^Willie^: directhex|bsp: i told you stfu
[08:55:44] justinh: charming
[08:55:47] ^Willie^: directhex|bsp: your whasted my time so stop argueing in other channels ok
[08:56:20] justinh: Saviq: there are new settings – e.g. for the 'watched' flag
[08:56:36] ^Willie^: anyway gentoo is working without your ubuntu issues so i`ll test mythtv on that since there is no other supported app to watch tv and fix my media on an linux box
[08:56:48] directhex|bsp: YOU wasted MY time. "okay, it's busted, try this. " "waa waa waa gentoo gentoo gentoo". "how about this, what happens with this?" "i rread the gentoo manual! everyone else is inferior to me!"
[08:57:02] ^Willie^: *sig*
[08:57:05] justinh: sometimes I wish I still had my badge. we're getting a lot of trolls lately
[08:57:06] Dagmar: Willie: I *really* suggest you STFU before you alienate everyone who might deign to help you.
[08:57:26] ^Willie^: Dagmar: come private and ask me whats happend first ..
[08:57:39] directhex|bsp: complete logs pastebinning in 5.. 4..
[08:57:41] ^Willie^: Dagmar: you don`t know what directhex|bsp whas acting like yesterday and today
[08:57:47] ^Willie^: same here
[08:57:51] Dagmar: No, I know what he's been acting like for weeks...
[08:57:58] Dagmar: ...and I know what stupid things you've been saying in the last ten minute,.
[08:58:26] ^Willie^: ehh ? just facts wrong compiler settings and still call it i386 .. linux from scratch users know better Dagmar
[08:58:30] Dagmar: If you would actually pay attention to the boot screens on the Ubuntu CD you'd see the options that would avoid the crash you're experiencing.
[08:58:44] Dagmar: willie: Feel free to dig way, way back in the LFS mailing lists.
[08:58:45] ^Willie^: i just wanted an live cd to test so i do not have to buy M$ stuff
[08:58:52] Dagmar: You'll find my name in there, repeatedly.
[08:59:01] directhex|bsp: calling i386 i386 is a historic issue with debian, and also does not affect p4
[08:59:08] ^Willie^: Dagmar: if it had some more then 24x24 text console yes
[08:59:09] directhex|bsp: and i know an LFS dev
[08:59:16] directhex|bsp: 80x24
[08:59:16] justinh: calling them M$ only reveals immaturity IMHO
[08:59:26] ^Willie^: directhex|bsp: stop janking about the k6 notice from yesterday then
[08:59:59] ^Willie^: told you use an p4 system.. but there is a reason for the k6 that is not tested jet ..
[09:00:06] directhex|bsp: i checked ONCE today whether you were talking about the same system as yesterday, and you went flying off the handle
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[09:00:32] Dagmar: Try completing a sentence sometime.
[09:00:51] ** justinh suggests 2 years in solitary **
[09:01:04] Dagmar: They didn't make a k6 that meets the minimum CPU requirements as stated on the website, so I don't know WTF he was thinking there.
[09:02:00] Dagmar: If his head weren't so far up his ass he can probably see what he ate for lunch, he might have known that -march/-mtune have jack and shit to do with the kernel, but you can't tell a Gentoo cluebie anything.
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[09:03:13] directhex|bsp: have some full disclosure, bitches! http://monoport.com/9441
[09:03:36] directhex|bsp: Dagmar, you know that, i know that, cluebies KNOW TEH COMPILARR!
[09:04:12] justinh: oh god it was the dude with the ISA card
[09:04:14] directhex|bsp: quick hint for anyone here using gentoo: gentoo is not optimized, no matter what flags you use. gcc generates slow code. always has done, always will
[09:04:22] directhex|bsp: justinh, yes!
[09:04:24] Dagmar: Wait, was this the cluetard with that full-length pinnacle card?
[09:05:01] directhex|bsp: yes
[09:05:10] justinh: he got the right IRC nick then
[09:05:14] mjj29: damn, funroll-loops.org is 404ing
[09:05:28] Dagmar: mjj29: It's been moved to .info IIRC
[09:05:58] mjj29: ah, yes (-:
[09:06:17] justinh: I won't hesitate to say that I've never understood all that funroll loops bullshit
[09:06:52] mjj29: justinh: neither does anyone who uses it
[09:07:08] Dagmar: That LFS crack me made just kills me
[09:07:35] justinh: people like that should stick with arch
[09:08:26] Dagmar: After reading that log I'm going to only have one thing to say to that kid if he comes back.
[09:08:30] Dagmar: ...and that thing is "STFU"
[09:13:43] directhex|bsp: justinh, i understand -funroll-loops intimately. and i opt to run ubuntu. does that tell you anything?
[09:14:45] justinh: tells me it's less effort to go with something that just works
[09:15:56] Dagmar: OMG you like BLOAT!
[09:16:04] justinh: yeah whatever :)
[09:20:14] Dagmar: But, but... if you unroll the loops you'll wind up with code duplicated over and over and over and OMG!
[09:20:18] Dagmar: ZOMG BLOAT!
[09:20:20] Dagmar: *snicker*
[09:25:19] ** directhex|bsp vectorizes Dagmar for easier parallel processing **
[09:26:22] justinh: that's better. my guide page didn't have a timedate field
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[09:27:08] jduggan: anyone else using kcom for transit and saw the issues this mornin?
[09:27:23] jduggan: oops
[09:30:50] justinh: bump!
[09:31:11] hashbang: morning, all
[09:32:04] justinh: woo seems this might be worth trying to see if it fixes the (very occasional) tear I get.. http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . p;highlight=
[09:32:33] justinh: but I have to say – fack all use putting patches on a fucking forum!
[09:32:54] jduggan: i get tearing with intel to
[09:32:58] jduggan: :o
[09:32:59] hashbang: justinh: (mangled patches)--
[09:33:07] jduggan: kinda just accepted it now
[09:33:11] hashbang: justinh: at least it's only a small one.
[09:33:11] jduggan: heh
[09:34:36] justinh: jduggan: you put up with it? I was going spare til I upgraded to 0.21
[09:34:47] justinh: now it happens only very occasionally
[09:35:02] justinh: still worth trying to snuff it though
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[10:04:18] sebrock: any fix to mythweb staying in wap theme after a mobile device accessed it?
[10:05:47] directhex|bsp: i saw something about this yesterday
[10:07:43] justinh: look in yesterday's irc log
[10:07:46] directhex|bsp: RESET_TMPL=yes
[10:08:23] directhex|bsp: 'Try adding '?RESET_TMPL=true' to the end of a mythweb URL'
[10:09:31] sebrock: yep that worked...
[10:11:38] justinh: you're welcome. no problem
[10:16:48] sebrock: thank you :)
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[11:51:18] toad__: i've just upgraded to 0.21 and suddenly sound output breaks... it's set to ALSA:dmix:0, did something change in 0.21 w.r.t. alsa?
[11:51:41] toad__: sound is definitely working, i can do ogg123 and that produces output
[11:51:47] Dagmar: You shouldn't have to specify dmix as your output
[11:52:04] Dagmar: I've only ever set mine to ALSA and "default" as the other names for stuff
[11:52:36] toad__: doh... NVP: Disabling Audio, reason is: unable to set ALSA parameters
[11:52:59] toad__: apparently because of Sample format not available: Invalid argument
[11:53:01] toad__: hmmmm
[11:53:08] directhex|bsp: you should never need to force dmix in modern alsa releases
[11:53:21] toad__: ok so what should i set it to?
[11:53:26] toad__: just "alsa" ?
[11:53:31] directhex|bsp: just set ALSA:default as the output device. i think.
[11:53:32] directhex|bsp: maybe
[11:53:32] Dagmar: (although it will fuck up on occasion and fail to enable it or disable it as needed)
[11:53:36] directhex|bsp: my memory's not what it was
[11:53:43] ** toad__ will try **
[11:53:46] Dagmar: I'm pretty sure that's what's in mine, just not 100% sure.
[11:53:59] directhex|bsp: how much did my home insurance cost me?
[11:54:09] Dagmar: I remmeber making my mixer device called SoftMaster just for the sake of being obvious once i figured out upmixing
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[12:13:44] toad__: it worked...
[12:14:15] toad__: is there a recommended way to make the shutdown option work short of running mythfrontend as root?
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[12:19:05] tank-man: setup sudo to shutdown
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[13:21:54] skigil: hello again
[13:36:20] justinh: !seen again
[13:36:20] MythLogBot: again has not been seen here
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[13:36:48] skigil: haha
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[14:06:51] iamlindoro_: directhex|bsp: Just read the last 8 hours or so of #ubuntu-mythtv... you, sir, are a saint. I would have launched a nuclear strike after the first snippy comment.
[14:07:40] directhex|work: iamlindoro_, i'm more patient than justinh, but then, so is a rabid wolverine.
[14:08:03] justinh: patience helps nobody
[14:08:06] cesman: lol
[14:08:11] directhex|work: how about rabid wolverines?
[14:08:24] cesman: skigil: get your problem resolved?
[14:08:30] skigil: i wish
[14:08:34] iamlindoro_: justinh: Don't worry, I think you're "delightfully curmudgeonly."
[14:08:43] skigil: LIRC is the last component of my box before it's finished
[14:10:21] justinh: however bad I am – however bad I get, I'll never be as bad as mc who
[14:10:48] directhex|work: justinh, that's because you're generally not wrong
[14:10:54] iamlindoro_: directhex|work: Seriously, though, that guy was aching for a beating
[14:10:57] directhex|work: i keep forgetting he exists. THANKS, /ignore!
[14:11:18] iamlindoro_: I think the only person I have on ignore is mchou
[14:11:41] justinh: all this noob hugging does nobody any good :)
[14:13:20] directhex|work: iamlindoro_, ditto. that's for all of freenode
[14:13:38] directhex|work: iamlindoro_, then again, i quit #debian years ago, which enabled much clearing of /ignore
[14:13:47] iamlindoro_: hehe
[14:13:56] directhex|work: iamlindoro_, the guy who insisted 1280x1024 screens didn't exist was especially good
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[14:16:09] ** iamlindoro_ sits in the corner and whispers softly to his crowbar. "Now now, Gordon... you'll get your chance..." **
[14:16:45] directhex|work: iamlindoro_, on a related note, i'm naming a new cluster GLaDOS ;)
[14:17:18] Dagmar: ...because there is SCIENCE to be done!
[14:18:24] iamlindoro_: directhex|work: Is it in the anomalous materials building?
[14:19:05] iamlindoro_: If anyone asks you to push a crate into a beam there, do yourself a favor and take a smoke break... a ong smoke break.
[14:19:08] Dagmar: Doesn't make much sense that they'd close the place after less than three years tho
[14:19:12] Dagmar: wrong chan
[14:19:14] iamlindoro_: ong = long
[14:24:09] Dagmar: Wrong answer
[14:24:25] justinh: yay thanks again JBidwatcher :)
[14:24:31] Dagmar: The correct answer is "that's not in my job description--let me check with HR to be sure it's okay"
[14:24:34] Dagmar: ...and then you just leave.
[14:25:25] iamlindoro_: And if you do do it, make sure to put on your HEV suit
[14:25:35] justinh: so what's everybody gonna do when all the nice people associated with 'user care' finally snap then?
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[14:26:34] iamlindoro_: justinh: My guess is "receive a bunch of blows from a blunt object."
[14:28:01] justinh: I have this idea in my head that some forum mods go on like Mr Mackey from South Park
[14:28:18] justinh: see compilin's baad mkay..
[14:30:39] justinh: and it's really ironic that the people with the most cups of ubuntu ar the most laid back :P
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[14:47:21] gizzmodo: help
[14:47:50] directhex|bsp: i need somebody
[14:47:50] directhex|bsp: help
[14:47:51] directhex|bsp: not just anybody
[14:47:53] directhex|bsp: help
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[14:48:39] directhex|bsp: well that was unproductive
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[14:49:27] gizzmodo: can any1 tell what to do after compile???
[14:49:29] gizzmodo: ???
[14:49:36] JohnMahowald: Insatll, usually.
[14:49:41] JohnMahowald: * Install
[14:49:50] JohnMahowald: If you have to ask, compiling may not be for you
[14:49:51] justinh: JohnMahowald: nah it's spelled nitsal
[14:49:51] gizzmodo: i did make
[14:50:05] directhex|bsp: on which distro?
[14:50:10] gizzmodo: ubuntu
[14:50:22] JohnMahowald: I thought Ubuntu had packages
[14:50:25] directhex|bsp: why are you building from source, if you don't know how to, on a distro with easy packages?
[14:50:47] keith4: it does have packages
[14:50:50] gizzmodo: i m new to ubuntu...
[14:50:52] justinh: maybe they want to help make the qt4 port in svn stable!
[14:50:54] ** keith4 shakes his fist towards #ubuntu **
[14:51:05] Dagmar: If you have to ask, you should be reading the Installation section of the wiki.
[14:51:09] directhex|bsp: justinh, which would be a good answer
[14:51:15] directhex|bsp: justinh, but unlikely
[14:51:28] directhex|bsp: gizzmodo, then compiling things from source is *really* not for you
[14:51:33] keith4: directhex|bsp: if it makes you feel better, i laughed at your song lyrics, even if nobody else gets it
[14:51:37] gizzmodo: i was reading the HOWTO..
[14:52:02] JohnMahowald: URL?
[14:52:03] gizzmodo: couldnt find what to do after compiling
[14:52:03] Dagmar: Do you regularly engage in self-flaggelation?"
[14:52:10] directhex|bsp: gizzmodo, which howto?
[14:52:37] directhex|bsp: oh, jesus christ, some people make such a fucking mountain out of a molehill
[14:52:37] justinh: a blog entry entitled "how to phail making mythtv"
[14:52:38] gizzmodo: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html
[14:52:44] Dagmar: If you don't already have a monogrammed set of cat o' nine tails, you should probably just get a MythBuntu ISO
[14:52:45] directhex|bsp: visit this link! that's *it*! http://mythbuntu.org/download/getmythbuntu.php
[14:53:02] Dagmar: Using Myth is barely acceptable for newbies.
[14:53:04] skigil: i'll tell you how to fail making a MythTV box..use Slackintosh as your OS.
[14:53:05] directhex|bsp: that link will make ubuntu install the required packages for you!
[14:53:09] Dagmar: BUILDING myth is completely out of the question for them.
[14:53:19] directhex|bsp: Dagmar, try building on win32 :)
[14:53:33] directhex|bsp: read http://mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu !
[14:53:35] Dagmar: directhex: @#$@ you for even suggesting such a thing.
[14:53:45] directhex|bsp: Dagmar, it only needs 3 gig of space...
[14:54:05] Dagmar: That would mean less space for my WoW screenshots.
[14:54:05] gizzmodo: can u tell me what to do now after "make"?
[14:54:11] Dagmar: No.
[14:54:20] Dagmar: If you have to ask that question, you have no business trying to compile this from source.
[14:54:24] skigil: slacintosh has been nothing of a uphill battle
[14:54:27] Dagmar: Use MythBuntu.
[14:54:32] directhex|bsp: gizzmodo, NO! DO NOT USE MAKE! MAKE IS NOT FOR YOU!
[14:54:41] directhex|bsp: gizzmodo, just visit my top link and THAT'S IT!
[14:54:42] cesman: Use KnoppMyth!
[14:55:04] directhex|bsp: gizzmodo, you do not *remotely* have the technical skill level required to do mythtv "from scratch", including setting up init.d and your own mysql server
[14:55:19] directhex|bsp: gizzmodo, other people ahve already done the hard work FOR YOU! take advantage of that!
[14:55:19] justinh: or at all, I'd wager
[14:55:25] gizzmodo: i tryed mythbuntu....
[14:55:30] gizzmodo: but didnt like it
[14:55:34] Dagmar: Tough shit.
[14:55:40] directhex|bsp: gizzmodo, then install some fucking packages
[14:55:42] cesman: lol
[14:55:47] Dagmar: With what you know, you will *not* be able to install MythTV from source.
[14:55:52] Dagmar: You will FAIL.
[14:55:54] directhex|bsp: jesus, i give up. this one is an official write off. after the shit from earlier today, i give up
[14:55:59] directhex|bsp: i will NOT help with this fuckuppery
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[14:56:19] directhex|bsp: cesman, no offence to knoppmyth, but with an existing ubuntu install, using apt is somewhat easier than reinstalling from scratch
[14:56:56] Dagmar: ...and you will quickly alienate everyone who might have helped you with a mythbuntu issue by putting them through approximately four million, three hundred and twenty-eight questions about Linux system adminstration and software managment that are entirely OT and things you're expected to already know.
[14:57:01] gizzmodo: ca u tell me how to start "mythtv-setup"
[14:57:11] directhex|bsp: gizzmodo, install mythtv-backenkd package!
[14:57:12] cesman: directhex|bsp: that is your opinion. none taken
[14:57:12] Dagmar: You go back under your bridge and type it in.,
[14:57:38] gizzmodo: lol
[14:57:45] cesman: gizzmodo: the directions you link to, tell you exactly what to do after make
[14:57:47] gizzmodo: m not that stupid..
[14:57:49] justinh: gizzmodo: give up now. abandon all hope. etc
[14:57:52] Dagmar: Bullshit.
[14:58:04] Dagmar: If you weren't that stupid you wouldn't be asking these questions.
[14:58:18] Dagmar: You're either trolling, or screwing up LARGE by refusing to use MythBuntu
[14:58:23] gizzmodo: please just tell me!!how to start "mythtv-setup"
[14:58:26] Dagmar: ...or any precompiled binary packages for that matter.
[14:58:28] Dagmar: No.
[14:58:31] cesman: tough crowd...
[14:58:33] directhex|bsp: gizzmodo, INSTALL mythtv-backend AND RUN IT
[14:58:37] directhex|bsp: YOU CUNTING CUNTFACED CUNT
[14:58:42] Dagmar: Whoa. That's a bit much
[14:58:49] justinh: even I am shocked
[14:59:08] Dagmar: I see we're going to have to work on directhex's swearing.
[14:59:21] Dagmar: Clearly his parents were derelict in giving him any kind of vocabulary.
[14:59:25] ** skigil agrees with cesman **
[14:59:46] otwin: this channel just reached another milestone...
[15:00:56] directhex|bsp: ignore is lowering my blood pressure. yay.
[15:01:00] keith4: directhex|bsp: you need more coffee..... or less
[15:01:21] justinh: look at his profile. 600 cups of ubuntu :)
[15:01:40] directhex|bsp: keith4, i don't drink coffee. i need lower exposure to wilful idiots. ignorance can be cured, stupidity is terminal.
[15:02:12] justinh: well I _did_ ask what happens when somebody cracks. funny seeing it happen to somebody else. and sad
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[15:02:26] keith4: i, for one, am a proponent of eugenics. but that is an entirely different discussion, for an entirely different channel
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[15:03:10] Dagmar: I'm just sad he only used one swear word
[15:03:23] Dagmar: There's a whole, vibrant palette of obscenity he could have called into play there.
[15:03:34] justinh: c*** is the top of the pile IMHO
[15:03:36] Dagmar: Exciting, invigorating words.
[15:04:21] justinh: you think? for sheer shock value nothing beats the 'c'
[15:04:41] Dagmar: Yes, but...
[15:04:48] Dagmar: This is a bit like salt as the ONLY spice for a soup.
[15:05:01] Dagmar: A little is fine, but there's only so much before it becomes undigestible.
[15:05:08] sphing: wow, good analogy
[15:05:20] Dagmar: You have to use *other* spices, in reasonable proportions as well, if you want to add more flavor without making the whole thing a waste.
[15:05:41] Dagmar: sphing: I can start a barfight in under 30 seconds.  ;)
[15:05:41] justinh: personally I think it'd be better if there was no need of people going off the rails – i.e. if everybody just _ignored_ stupid people
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[15:06:42] justinh: yeah like that's something you should be proud of!
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[15:07:27] justinh: it's a bit like proclaiming you can fit a whole jar of pickled eggs in your mouth at once
[15:07:48] ** skigil agrees with justinh **
[15:07:59] directhex|bsp: i am sick to death with people who go out of their way to not be hlped
[15:07:59] Dagmar: More like proclaiming I can play every instrument in the brass section (although not all at once)
[15:08:03] Dagmar: I know my obscenity.
[15:08:06] directhex|bsp: bloody sick of it
[15:08:23] justinh: welcome back to planet Earth is all I can say
[15:08:28] directhex|bsp: basorb as much time from as many people as possible, to get as little done as possible
[15:08:32] Dagmar: It is only after you _truly_ know how to offend people that you can avoid doing so with any sort of reliability.
[15:08:49] directhex|bsp: Dagmar, labia.
[15:08:59] Dagmar: I'll have some of that for lunch, thanks
[15:09:18] justinh: not if it belongs to anybody's grandmother. or maybe you would
[15:09:18] directhex|bsp: Dagmar, http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2003/20031128h.GIF
[15:09:29] iamlindoro__: ARGH!!
[15:09:32] Dagmar: Lemme guess... the "everyone has a headset" comic?
[15:09:44] directhex|bsp: Dagmar, no, the "don't say labia" comic
[15:09:44] iamlindoro__: *Why8 does all the funny shit have to happen when I drive to work??!?!?
[15:09:51] keith4: theory of internet fucktard comic?
[15:09:57] Dagmar: Ah
[15:09:59] directhex|bsp: keith4, no, the "don't say labia" comic
[15:10:04] Dagmar: keith4: Yeah that's the one I thought he was citing
[15:10:22] keith4: that's what I would have cited
[15:10:40] keith4: that exchange with gizzmodo is fuckin' quality... i'm saving that one
[15:10:40] iamlindoro__: directhex|bsp, You got to say *all* the sarcastic stuff! Ugh, now there probably won't be any more chances all day.
[15:10:42] ** iamlindoro__ mopes. **
[15:10:47] keith4: lol
[15:10:58] Dagmar: keith4; The problem there is that they're amatuers at it.
[15:11:10] directhex|bsp: iamlindoro__, feel free. i think a hiatus from #*mythtv* might be good for me
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[15:11:27] keith4: you guys need to tone it down. my coworkers are going to realize i'm not working if I keep laughing
[15:11:35] directhex|bsp: keith4, nipples.
[15:11:49] iamlindoro__: nuppels
[15:12:08] keith4: i'm going to go to #nagios and try to help some non-english-speakers, that ought to ruin my mood
[15:12:08] justinh: keith4: oh yeah. that man is happy! put him to work immediately!!!
[15:12:22] keith4: justinh: precisely!
[15:12:32] directhex|bsp: actually, a break will do me good.
[15:12:36] directhex|bsp: i'll be in ##d-o
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[15:12:49] keith4: this reminds me of a discussion i saved from #asterisk a while back
[15:12:51] Dagmar: What's that channel about?
[15:12:53] justinh: never did me any good. maybe I never stay away long enough
[15:13:01] iamlindoro__: directhex knows he just can't quit me
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[15:15:06] keith4: actually, it reminds me more of that guy who came in here a few weeks ago, talking about routing cable TV, and how he went to school for this.. blah blah blah, and knew absolutely nothing about what he was talking about
[15:15:14] iamlindoro__: UGH
[15:15:21] Dagmar: Tehre should be a rule forbidding anyone who is clueless from using ANY nickname taken from any source of actual information, declaration of superiority or "leetness", or high-tech consumer product.
[15:15:24] ** keith4 looks for that file **
[15:15:40] iamlindoro__: Only time I've ever seen anyone kicked from this room
[15:15:45] keith4: iamlindoro__: I *know* you remember..... http://www.lehigh.edu/~kbe2/temp/mythtv-users.txt
[15:15:47] Dagmar: Or, we should get teardrop back.
[15:15:47] justinh: Dagmar: and scifi characters.. and character names from the matrix
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[15:16:09] Dagmar: Things have only gone downhill since Microsoft _actually_ patched that hole.
[15:16:15] iamlindoro__: How he learned it all at 'the IEEE"
[15:16:49] iamlindoro__: And the Iraqs, such as
[15:17:29] Dagmar: You should have punted him at the obvious "I R A PYRATE" question: "<NSVOE> does myth tv support wrappers>>"
[15:18:10] iamlindoro__: I *think* he meant for windows tuner drivers, but who the eff knows, doubt he had any idea what he meant
[15:18:26] Dagmar: justinh: FWIW, in that log that was posted, I see you mention a FUC.
[15:18:42] Dagmar: It's worth noting that the first FAQ I wrote for Dropline was titled the FUQ. (Frequently Unasked Questions)
[15:18:51] justinh: frequently unread constants
[15:18:59] Dagmar: ...in which I detailed the rebuttals to all the incredibly stupid things people with no actual clue or experience were saying about DLG.
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[15:20:26] justinh: the more time I spend using mythtv & not farking about with themes & user questions the happier I seem to be
[15:20:35] Dagmar: Oh I can see that
[15:20:36] justinh: I'll drink to that
[15:22:07] iamlindoro__: This room is still good fun for myth chat so long as you ignore the chaff
[15:22:22] keith4: gizzmodo is forever immortalized: http://www.lehigh.edu/~kbe2/temp/mythtv-ubuntu.txt
[15:22:31] Dagmar: You guys went way too easy on that NSVOE character.
[15:22:43] Dagmar: I'd have been asking for his dealer's number rather early on
[15:22:52] keith4: well, nobody else had any real questions
[15:22:56] justinh: yeah well what can I say. you were absent
[15:23:03] Dagmar: Time division multiplexing indeed. Pfft.
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[15:24:19] iamlindoro__: yeah, it really derailed halfway through-- was just stupid until that point
[15:24:31] iamlindoro__: then it got trollirific
[15:24:52] Dagmar: The headmaster at his "school" must have been Dr. Nick.
[15:25:01] justinh: heh
[15:25:08] iamlindoro__: You went to Hollywood Upstairs Cable College too?
[15:25:28] justinh: we have a Dr Nick here, but he's the antithesis of _that_ dr Nick
[15:25:53] Dagmar: Man what he was saying sounds like some of the shit I see 9-year-olds posting on GaiaOnline, thinking (for whatever reason) that everyone on the Internet is as stupid as they are, so they can make up whatever details about hardware that they like.
[15:26:16] Dagmar: Like the kid who was telling people to look for triple-layer media because dual-layer was on it's way out, and to buy 60X or higher optical drives.
[15:26:30] justinh: aww bless
[15:26:33] Dagmar: I would have thought it was supposed to be a spoof if I'd not known any better.
[15:26:39] Dagmar: I tore him to _pieces_ over his "HOWTO"
[15:26:56] justinh: poor kid. everybody knows it's all about quadruple layer bluray now
[15:27:21] Dagmar: I gave him a chance to correct the stuff, but he wouldn't and after a few days it turned into "YOU'RE A BIG MEANIE!"
[15:27:21] justinh: just leave the unclued to their falsehoods
[15:27:28] Dagmar: Pitching a fit because I didn't "address my concerns in private messages"
[15:27:46] iamlindoro__: Dagmar, Hehe, that sounds hilarious-- is this on a forum?
[15:27:52] Dagmar: No... Not when I've seen how many times those falsehoods will manage to become "accepted fact" by the even more clueless.
[15:27:58] Dagmar: iamlindoro: gaiaonline
[15:27:59] justinh: we didn't evolve into higher beings by tolerating the thickies
[15:28:16] justinh: nor did we queue but I digress..
[15:28:21] iamlindoro__: Sadly the least clued tend to be the ones most actively, *cough*, "helping."
[15:28:28] Dagmar: Exactly.
[15:28:32] Dagmar: Bogons spread _fast_
[15:28:37] justinh: leave em to it
[15:28:41] justinh: I'm alright Jack
[15:31:09] justinh: anyway – I can't contain this any longer.. http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/9b5ef79f69.jpg  – new theme screensho!
[15:32:00] Dagmar: Can we have it in 22.1:3 format?
[15:32:17] justinh: the most awesomest one evah. period
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[15:33:02] iamlindoro__: Can I get a version with American English?
[15:33:08] iamlindoro__: Would look better in purple
[15:33:23] iamlindoro__: needs to rotate on a cube
[15:33:26] iamlindoro__: har har
[15:33:46] Dagmar: OMG
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[15:33:53] Dagmar: "Centre"
[15:34:17] justinh: I like the spelling of 'emploies'
[15:34:39] justinh: beats xface with its 'DH' camcorder for sure
[15:34:58] iamlindoro__: justinh, whose is this, anyway?
[15:34:58] Pryon: Apparently the tubes between me and freeimagehosting.net are full.
[15:35:00] Dagmar: So, is the popkin at the top going to be infected with the T-virus?
[15:35:47] Dagmar: You *could* probably animate the umbrella segments like in the intro to Extinction
[15:35:52] Dagmar: ...but that would be a lot of hassle.
[15:36:02] justinh: iamlindoro__: some kid or other. I opted never to reply to his forum thread so I don't crush his will to kingdom come
[15:36:13] iamlindoro__: haha
[15:36:22] Dagmar: AH
[15:36:22] iamlindoro__: I love that MePo make an appearance, though
[15:36:26] iamlindoro__: makes
[15:36:37] justinh: I don't. he's not on fire
[15:36:38] Dagmar: He probably just hasn't had time to cull that part yet
[15:37:07] iamlindoro__: justinh, was being facetious
[15:37:14] Dagmar: What we really need are one of the themes we HAVEN'T seen yet
[15:37:35] Dagmar: One with say, Allison Hannigan in various states of undress, draped across the screen for no reason whatsoever.
[15:37:35] justinh: what we need are themes that aren't even possible yet
[15:37:39] Dagmar: The FCC will be okay with it.
[15:37:56] justinh: Dagmar: maybe in a band-camp pose
[15:38:01] Dagmar: *drool*
[15:38:12] justinh: playing two flutes at the same time
[15:38:19] ** Dagmar faints **
[15:38:52] iamlindoro__: You're gonna want to label those carefully afterwards
[15:39:23] justinh: nah. just sniff
[15:40:33] ** Dagmar waits for someone to say the obvious. **
[15:40:55] Dagmar: Okay, I'll say it.
[15:40:56] keith4: ...
[15:41:02] Dagmar: "Why would you label your own penis?"
[15:41:28] keith4: jeez, I leave for 10 minutes
[15:41:46] Dagmar: Well, we _were_ talking about themes
[15:41:50] justinh: interesting euphemism...
[15:42:00] justinh: anyway.. time I wasn't here.
[15:42:01] Dagmar: I was thinking of the skin flute
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[15:42:37] Dagmar: This is what I get for hanging out with strippers. *sigh*
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[16:36:03] clever: Dagmar: isnt this a family channel?
[16:36:42] iamlindoro__: It's after dark somewhere
[16:36:55] Dagmar: Yep
[16:36:58] Dagmar: BTW
[16:37:03] Dagmar: All your flash plugins are belong to criminals.
[16:37:06] Dagmar: Uninstall them now.
[16:37:16] Dagmar: Wait patiently for Adobe to do the old "removing head from ass" trick.
[16:37:43] Dagmar: This may well be the only warning you get before CNN is going "OMGEVERYTHINGSSPLOITED!"
[16:37:54] Dagmar: http://www.matasano.com/log/1032/this-new-vul . . . ash-exploit/
[16:38:41] Dagmar: Actual criminals will probably be using it before the weekend is up
[16:39:11] fryfrog: <3 actual criminals
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[16:40:50] iamlindoro__: Hehe, took me about three frames before I realized it was Pitfall
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[18:23:05] ajh_: From time to time I'm getting blank recordings, is there any way to tell which tuner they recorded on?
[18:24:04] ajh_: Or force livetv onto another card to test.
[18:24:07] justinh: doesn't look like it going by the columns in recorded
[18:24:31] ajh_: livetv seems to always pick tuner3
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[18:24:41] justinh: getting live tv onto another tuner isn't hard. the manual tells you how
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[18:25:03] ajh_: ok, I'll look :) the Y option was what it looked like but that doesn't work :)
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[18:26:53] kormoc: you could enable logging and watch via that
[18:27:16] ajh_: it's rare though, I'll do that and look back to find it next time it happens.
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[18:29:11] keith4: um... Y should switch tuners
[18:29:19] keith4: if it doesn't, you must have futzed with something
[18:29:30] ajh_: yeah, going to look at bindings now.
[18:29:39] keith4: of course, it won't switch to tuners that are busy recording something else
[18:29:40] iamlindoro__: Y changed a tiny bit in .21
[18:29:53] keith4: it did? shows how often i watch live TV
[18:29:56] iamlindoro__: It's not Next_Card any more, it's Next_source IIRC
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[18:30:20] ajh_: C does the next video source as expected
[18:30:23] iamlindoro__: and the next_input or next_card or whatever is left unbound now-- just bind a key and away you go
[18:30:35] keith4: "next source" or "next input"?
[18:31:19] iamlindoro__: keith4, there are like six next_ options in keybindings... it's pretty obvious when you look at it but It's been a little bit since I had to-- it'll be self explanatory when you look at it
[18:31:37] keith4: ok
[18:31:49] ajh_: debugging anything with 'audio source changed' scrolling up the screen at 30/sec is intersting.
[18:31:55] iamlindoro__: just don't recall the exact terminology off the top of my head
[18:33:21] justinh: livetv mode is only for testing tuners. PiP for testing more than one tuner :)
[18:33:43] ajh_: 2008-04–17 14:33:08.249 OSDImgCache, Error: Creating osdcache file failed.
[18:33:43] ajh_: is happening on every HD channel change too.
[18:34:16] kormoc: justinh, I keep wanting to patch mine to not even show livetv in the menu :P
[18:34:55] ajh_: ok, capital Y did something :), but only switched inputs, not cards.
[18:35:01] justinh: copy mainmenu.xml, copy it to ~/.mythtv/ – whack the watch tv menu entry out.. tada!
[18:35:33] kormoc: justinh, what! I didn't know local ones overrode things! Awesome!
[18:36:08] jams: or switch to the DVR menu
[18:36:11] justinh: oh yeah. I didn't know til relatively recently
[18:36:22] kormoc: jams, dvr menu?
[18:36:49] jams: yeah it's the other menu that shipped with myth default/classic/dvr
[18:36:56] kormoc: snazzy
[18:37:00] kormoc: I'll go poke at that
[18:37:11] jams: http://www.mythvantage.com/e107_plugins/autog . . . g&full=1
[18:37:15] jams: thats the layout
[18:37:22] ajh_: hrm, pip doesn't come up either.
[18:37:47] jams: i think the dvr layout is by bruce, but not for certain on that one
[18:38:46] kormoc: Actually, Classic is much closer to what I want, I should be able to make just a few small tweaks and have it good
[18:39:35] jams: hmm classic is missing from my diagrams will need to add that one.
[18:41:55] kormoc: jams, are we open to more menu styles or is it mainly considered complete as is?
[18:43:26] jams: there we go..classic has been added.
[18:44:07] ajh_: so, no pip working ...
[18:44:24] jams: kormoc- DVR was the last one..and that was years ago. I suppose new ones would be considered, but by no means am I the final authority on that.
[18:44:42] ** kormoc nods **
[18:44:43] jams: i think DVR was added because bruce didn't like the new default
[18:45:28] kormoc: I like a simple one, close to classic but even simpler, it's just if I should just tweak it to my wants/needs vs attempting to make it complete
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[18:46:11] jams: wow classic has some menus with lots of items
[18:46:17] kormoc: yeah
[18:47:07] jams: although looking at the two diagrams classic looks easier to find stuff then DVR
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[18:47:24] jams: long menus but lets submenus
[18:47:29] jams: less submenus
[18:47:34] ** kormoc nods **
[18:48:57] jams: default=23 menus, dvr=18,classic=11
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[18:51:08] keith4: where are all of these diagrams?
[18:51:17] keith4: ah, nm
[18:53:00] keith4: jams: what do you use to make those diagrams?
[18:53:07] jams: keith4- program i wrote
[18:53:23] keith4: is it available?
[18:53:50] jams: http://www.mythvantage.com/download.php?view.10
[18:54:05] ajh_: Well, it's not the tuner, I got all 9 recording fine with no problem.
[18:54:23] jams: it's pydot and pygraphviz
[18:54:27] jams: and one other xml lib
[18:54:51] ajh_: after getting off the buggy ubuntu kernel the weird load is gone too, only .54 with 9 streams coming in.
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[19:03:55] justinh: I really don't like classic. I was made up when 0.16 came along & the default had changed (seemingly)
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[19:05:13] kormoc: justinh, all I want is "Watch Recordings" "Videos" "Music" and so on and have them just do that action, no sub menus, just super simple and easy
[19:05:28] kormoc: and this isn't too hard to change up :)
[19:05:39] kormoc: just gotta figure out how plugin menus work
[19:05:39] justinh: might one day get around to making a simple menu editor
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[19:10:07] jams: plugin menus should work exactly the same way
[19:11:11] jams: kormoc- after your done I wouldn't mind giveing it a try
[19:11:38] kormoc: the current menus seem to just invoke "PLUGIN mythmusic" and not actually define a submenu or the like
[19:11:48] kormoc: jams, sure, I'd be glad to share it :)
[19:12:10] jams: will certainly make a diagram for it if you want =)
[19:12:33] jams: the plugins provide their own xml files for the menu
[19:12:50] kormoc: ahh
[19:12:54] jams: i would think that if you copy it to your menu theme dir it would work
[19:13:37] justinh: I think it should be possible to pick items from plugin menu xml files & put them in a normal menu xml file. never tried that though
[19:13:46] jams: never tried it though..let me know how it works =)
[19:14:06] kormoc: Will do :)
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[19:24:19] jams: bah might as well try it now..this conf call is boring
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[19:41:02] jams: justinh- not for sure that would work because the plugin isn't loaded yet. Certainly you could do jump points to plugins though
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[19:48:19] waini: hi
[19:49:32] waini: i have queued a user-job – but it is not running (it is still queued)
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[19:51:35] waini: is there a solution?
[19:55:57] atterdag: I have a problem with mythvideo that it chokes when watching DVD's. If I watch the dvd in xine then its fine. I'm using mythvideo 0.21.0+fixes16 on Mythbuntu 8.04. Should I define xine as the DVD player or are there any tweaks I can do with mythvideo?
[19:56:34] atterdag: I'm using the S-VIdeo on a Radeon 9800 pro as output
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[19:57:17] justinh: waini: try enabling user jobs :P
[19:57:39] justinh: 20:55 < atterdag> I have a problem... I'm using the S-VIdeo on a Radeon 9800 pro.
[19:57:42] justinh: there's ya problem ^^^
[19:58:09] justinh: ATI on linux == no Xv. oops
[19:58:38] atterdag: ahh ... so I use the S-Video out on my PVR 350 in stead?
[19:58:47] iamlindoro__: ooof, double-barreled suck
[19:58:54] justinh: ditto
[19:59:09] justinh: ach well. next time you pass the nvidia shoppe you know what to do :)
[19:59:15] ** justinh goes to count his commission **
[19:59:34] atterdag: ok thanks
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[20:01:08] magius_pendragon: Has anyone else had hte problem of svn not updating from the mythtv repo (http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0- . . . /mythplugins for example)
[20:01:29] ** kormoc blinks **
[20:01:30] kormoc: say what?
[20:01:49] justinh: atterdag: at a push maybe you can play with playback profiles – look specifically at the video renderer settings. don't ask me how the f. it all works though
[20:02:19] magius_pendragon: svn is refusing to update from that url, citing an unrecognized url scheme
[20:02:38] atterdag: I can define that I should just use xine without using xv I surpose
[20:02:58] kormoc: magius_pendragon, works for me (tm)
[20:03:17] waini: my database says: user job allowed by host=NULL
[20:03:28] atterdag: justinh, but of course it wont be optimal, but it will save me some money
[20:03:34] waini: is that ok? (i want to run the job by mythweb)
[20:04:08] justinh: like poking around in the db is the way for anyone who doesn't know it inside out to solve anything...
[20:04:51] waini: ?
[20:05:04] waini: i knew who to use my db!
[20:06:28] kormoc: it's not really who so much as how...
[20:07:01] waini: sorry- i knew how to use my db!
[20:07:19] kormoc: well, if you knew what a null field in that col means, why ask us then?
[20:07:43] waini: if does not work!
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[20:07:58] waini: it does not work
[20:07:59] kormoc: that's the main point. for all you know it needs to be set to 'wikkiwikkiwonka' to work and the correct interface would do so, but cause you don't want to use the correct interface, we can't really help you
[20:08:10] waini: sorry (typing is very difficult)
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[20:10:41] atterdag: justinh, adding 'Option "VideoOverlay" "on"' to xorg in the Device section fixed it ... (I read that the fglrx drivers from 5th of marts fixed this problem)
[20:11:24] atterdag: now my next problem is that when I exit mythdvd, then mythfrontend crashes
[20:12:13] atterdag: I'm just getting a core dump
[20:23:02] waini: my mythweb wirtes an db-entry (jobqueue) with hostname="" is that valid???
[20:23:44] xris: I think that means "any host can run this job"
[20:26:19] waini: how much time could be between queueing a job and starting (my backend server does absolutely nothing)
[20:26:28] waini: more than 15min?
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[20:27:23] justinh: depends when you allow jobs to run too – you can limit the times they run between. dunno what the defaults are though
[20:28:32] waini: is there a option at the settings-table?
[20:29:04] justinh: use the UI
[20:29:15] waini: i cant
[20:29:21] justinh: people go to great trouble to make the settings accessible
[20:29:28] justinh: can't/won't
[20:29:31] waini: cant
[20:29:37] waini: i am remote
[20:29:45] justinh: so wait til you get home
[20:30:01] waini: and my setup does not start with vnc
[20:30:10] kormoc: x forwarding works
[20:30:15] justinh: easy to spawn another vnc server
[20:30:26] waini: i dont knew why
[20:31:05] waini: i dont use x-forwarding
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[20:32:53] justinh: waini: if you're that much of a wiz with the database why not look for stuff in the settings table which contains the string 'job'
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[20:42:26] waini: JobQueueCheckFrequency , JobQueueWindowEnd, JobQueueWindowStart
[20:42:28] waini: all ok
[20:42:36] waini: but my job does not start
[20:42:45] kormoc: have you thought to check the logs?
[20:42:55] justinh: if the job script readable & executable by the user mythbackend runs as hmm?
[20:43:48] justinh: s/if/is
[20:44:54] waini: rwxr-xr-x
[20:45:12] waini: everyone could read an execute
[20:46:01] PatrickDK: did you turn off job execution?
[20:46:06] PatrickDK: so you have to run mythjobs manually?
[20:46:27] waini: autorun is turned off
[20:46:38] waini: but i queued it by hand (mythweb9
[20:46:50] ** kormoc blinks **
[20:47:02] PatrickDK: so autorun is off?
[20:47:05] PatrickDK: so it will never run
[20:47:09] kormoc: so if you have it set to not auto-run and you put something into the queue, how do you expect it to run?
[20:47:29] waini: ahhh
[20:47:30] waini: ok
[20:47:36] PatrickDK: kormoc, pure force of will power :)
[20:47:44] kormoc: Heh
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[20:49:33] waini: ok – now AutoRunUserJob is set
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[20:50:03] waini: it shuold run now?
[20:50:25] PatrickDK: maybe not till you queue another job, not sure
[20:50:43] waini: it the only job
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[20:58:38] waini: schedruntime is the time that the job should run
[20:59:01] waini: should that mean: at this point the job will start?
[20:59:08] waini: or is able to start?
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[21:09:21] waini: ???
[21:09:25] waini: anyone there?
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[21:27:36] waini: anyone inside?
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[22:02:35] cesman: inside what?
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[22:03:07] kormoc: cesman, the matrix... can you see it? huh? can you?!?!
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[22:04:16] pembo13_com: last night mythtv was working , today it is saying that no valid capture cards are defined in the database
[22:04:29] pembo13_com: infact I am pretty sure it was working this morning
[22:04:45] pembo13_com: i just ran mythtv-setup.. and the capture cards are listed there as before
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[22:06:18] pembo13_com: seems to be similar to this, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4674324#post4674324
[22:06:50] pembo13_com: i am reading this, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Troubles . . . 1failed_init
[22:07:02] pembo13_com: i just tried to restart mythbackend again and it didn't work
[22:07:08] pembo13_com: i'll try rebooting the machine to see
[22:07:16] pembo13_com: although i hate rebooting to fix things
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[22:15:29] pembo13_com: well rebooting fixed it
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[22:44:38] PaulWay: Hi all,
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[22:45:14] PaulWay: I'm still having trouble getting mythfilldatabase to run by itself (as opposed to running it from the command line, which always works).
[22:45:21] PaulWay: The latest error is "FAILED: xmltv returned error code 256."
[22:45:50] PaulWay: I worked out that 32512 meant "file not found" – can someone tell me what 256 (which would be return code 1) means?
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[23:07:11] Eemak: in mythfrontend now, how do you tell it to use hardware decoding?
[23:08:22] Eemak: it used to be in playback
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[23:09:53] Eemak: i dont see it anywhere now
[23:10:46] PaulWay: What kind of hardware decoding are you using Eemak
[23:10:48] PaulWay: ?
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[23:18:09] Eemak: PaulWay: i think i have nvidia's xvmc selected
[23:18:16] Eemak: but i don't even see where to select it with newest mythfrontend
[23:18:56] PaulWay: Hmmm I'm still using 0.20, so it's probably in the old location for me.
[23:19:08] PaulWay: Which as you say would be Playback.
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[23:35:29] Eemak: yeah it moved
[23:39:28] PaulWay: Some day, someone will make a program that just detects everything and sets up MythTV for you.
[23:39:45] Eemak: well i have mine set up i am just having some playback issues of late
[23:39:46] PaulWay: Rather than having to do this kind of settings voodoo.
[23:39:48] Eemak: and i wonder if that is why
[23:39:55] PaulWay: What kind of issues?
[23:40:08] Eemak: a video pause every 15 seconds or so
[23:40:10] Eemak: a slight pause
[23:40:14] Eemak: but my computer is fast and it didn
[23:40:17] Eemak: used to do this
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[23:57:49] PaulWay: Hmmm – no idea.
[23:57:55] PaulWay: Audio buffering problem?
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[23:58:31] Eemak: i have that box checked

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