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Sunday, April 13th, 2008, 00:04 UTC

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ajh:

If I'm configuring two dvb-s cards, I should be able to give them each their own switch and tree right? WHen I edit one the other is changing too

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ajh:

trying to put the SW44 on one card and the 4–1 diseqc on the other until I can get the 9–4 replaced

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ajh:

no, they're definately both changing at once

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ajh:

have I broken something?

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Kodiak`:

hi

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Kodiak`:

I restarted my MythBox and now I can't access the folders such as /videos/ or /music/ over thet network.

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ajh:

does the driver limit this?

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black_Nightmare_:

I know this probably isn't quite on-topic but anyone ever seen a box that would burn video discs straight from the plugged-in camcorder source? or I guess an actual laptop is better instead? (I've seen a few external cd burners that also could burn straight from image media sticks so hmm)

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Kodiak`:

any ideas? anyone?

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Aval0n:

anyone know where to get a current version of mythxface?

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alexvd_:

black_Nightmare: I have a Panasonic Sd5 hdtv camera that comes with a disc burner

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TelnetManta:

is there a free way to get shedulesdirect eit data?

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ajh:

Yes, you can look it up and type it all in yourself.

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TelnetManta:

ACK!

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ajh:

then put up a website where we can all download it for free.

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TelnetManta:

well I guess thats free.

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ajh:

$20 a year is almost free.

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adante:

hm

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adante:

what is the lite template supposed to show?

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adante:

because it looks... quite odd

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elg:

i'm trying to figure out why tv (live or recorded) is jerky (video and audio)

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elg:

i've tested streaming the hdhomerun stream to disk and watching the hdhomerun stream with mplayer (with deinterlacing) and the box seems capable. myth isn't taking all the cpu it could, anyway

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elg:

could the video card cause this kind of problem? mplayer has no problem with -vo x11 or -vo vidix (which I understand myth doesn't support)

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ajh:

ok, an ignore list for channels on scan would be handy.

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elg:

but the card (radeon 7000) doesn't have xv support, and it's using vesa (the only way I can get tvout)

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ajh:

if it's a dedicated front-end why not replace it with something that'll be more suitable?

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elg:

because i'm poor

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elg:

i may be able to invest in a new video card, if that is indeed the problem

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elg:

hence my question

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iamlindoro:

ATI is more or less unsupported in myth for precisely this reason

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iamlindoro:

ATI themselves say in their driver release notes that Myth is not a supported app w/ ATI cards

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iamlindoro:

nvidia w/ proprietary drivers is the best choice, or onboard Intel Graphics

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alexvd_:

i have a strange problem mplayer is not giving me sound. I have sound with the internal dvd player, with recordings both digital and analog, but no sound in vidoes with mplayer

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alexvd_:

Mplayer used to work fine with audio and I didnt change a thing and now no audio. Any steps to troubleshoot?

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lyricnz:

alexvd_: examine the output on the screen carefully, in particular the selection of audio output driver, and it's parameters

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lyricnz:

from commandline, rather than in myth

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SlicerDicer:

kormoc: is it normal for it to take eons when you add a new disk to raid5?.

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J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer: Yeah – it's got to re-stripe the entire array, all while being online...

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SlicerDicer:

alright

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J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer: It's got to distribute the stripes that were on 1–2 2–3 3–1 to 1–2 2–3 3–4 4–1

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FunkyELF:

how do I know if mod_rewrite and mod_env are enabled in apache? I'm trying to get mythweb working

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FunkyELF:

I need some help with mythweb. am I supposed to copy the mythweb.conf.apache file to .htaccess?

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kdubya:

FunkyELF, dont use htaccess anymore

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kdubya:

assuming you are using .21

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FunkyELF:

kdubya, yeah I'm using the latest

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kdubya:

did you install from packages?

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FunkyELF:

The database environment variables are not correctly set in the webserver conf or .htaccess file. Please read through the comments included in the file and set up the db_* environment variables correctly.

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FunkyELF:

thats what I'm getting

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FunkyELF:

I installed from gentoo's portage

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FunkyELF:

0.21_p16809

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FunkyELF:

thats the version I have installed

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kdubya:

did that not put a mythweb.conf file in your apache directory for you?

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FunkyELF:

kdubya, nope

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kdubya:

i dont completely understand how it works

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kdubya:

but i know you dont need htaccess anymore

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TelnetManta:

FunkyELF: You have to have the nythweb.conf file in your apache directory. Apache reads in all of the .conf file at startup and thats how mythweb is configured now.

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TelnetManta:

not sure where that is on gentoo but in Ubuntu its at /etc/apache2

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TelnetManta:

erm /etc/apache/conf.d

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** FunkyELF re-emerges mythweb w/ the vhosts USE flag **

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kdubya:

and it is /var/www on fedora

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kdubya:

heh

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TelnetManta:

FunkyELF: download the source and read the INSTALL file.

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** FunkyELF got it....stupid package management makes it harder than it needs to be **

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d110_:

I keep getting this error message "Disabling MythBrowser due to missing KDE development packages" when trying to compile mythplugins-0.21 under debian 4.0, which package does it require?

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kdubya:

kde-devel or kde-dev or something

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kdubya:

i would assume

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kdubya:

you dont REALLY want mythbrowser anyway do you?

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rooaus:

d110_: kdelibs4-dev iirc

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d110_:

kdubya i know the old one was pretty crap but the new one has flash support so I would like to see if youtube works on my TV

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kdubya:

i just fullscreen firefox

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kdubya:

firefox 3 has sweet zoom

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nitronic:

hi there, i'm trying to use mythtv's media library feature to watch not only prior recordings from mythtv, but also random video files that i have in my media collection. is it possible to do this? setting my recordings directry to the same directory as where my media sits doesn't seem to do anything.

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cafuego:

nitronic: You need to import these random files to the database, so the recordings list can find them.

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nitronic:

ah nm, looks like the "mythvideo" plugin seems to automate it

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nitronic:

cafuego, ahh, that makes sense :)

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cafuego:

nitronic: Otherwise, indeed, use mythvideo.

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cafuego:

nitronic: There's a `myth-import.pl' script that I use to do these imports.

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nitronic:

is this a popular thing to do btw?

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cafuego:

nitronic: How eles eod you get [um torrents] into myth? ;-)

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kormoc:

nitronic, not really, as without the meta-data that you have to type in by hand, it's rather useless

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kormoc:

(meaning using the myth-import.pl script)

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nitronic:

kormoc, i was referring to the idea in general

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** kormoc taps his foot in cafuego's general direction **

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kormoc:

nitronic, using mythvideo is quite common

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nitronic:

yeha, i think i'll just do the process. i do have a keyboard but i don't like having to lean forward

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nitronic:

plugin**

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cafuego:

kormoc: My myth exports to xvid have a filename that includes this metatdata, so myth-import can automagically reconstruct it on import.

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cafuego:

So I can keep my tv shows in the recordings list, but have them be 90% smaller.

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kormoc:

cafuego, sure, but it's unusual for people to imports things that have never been in myth and thus is unlikely to be named correctly for import

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cafuego:

kormoc: Unless you have a dozens of files, the adding of metadata is hardly a laborious chore

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cafuego:

anyway, what's what i reckon and do

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kormoc:

cafuego, episode ids/descriptions are rather labourious, and needed so myth won't re-record shows you already have

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cafuego:

kormoc: That would be an issue if these imports are things that would EVER be shown on tv locally <heh>

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** kormoc shrugs **

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cafuego:

it's possible, but unlikely in AU.

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kormoc:

cafuego, given nitronic is in the us, it could be striklingly different, or even if he was switching from one dvr to another, etc

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cafuego:

even then i would personally prefer the recordings list interface over the mythvideo one. but then, that's my pref.

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nitronic:

hmm, no thumbnailer for mythvideo?

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Anduin:

nitronic: correct, though several scripts floating around

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nitronic:

do you know the name of one, offhand?

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Anduin:

nitronic: No, the -users ml should have at least one

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hpladds:

kormoc: I come back three hours later and here you are arguing with someone else. I see a pattern here.

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Anduin:

nitronic: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/182932 (just one of the first ones Google found)

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nevyn:

J-e-f-f-A: 30% and still syncing

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jk1joel:

I have MythTV set up to save the position or bookmark automatically when I leave a recording, which I like. Is there a way to have it always clear the position if I'm right near the end of the recording so that the next person to watch the same recording will start at the beginning? Otherwise, I get a prompt for "You have finished watching ...." as soon as I go back to a previously watched recording.

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ShiftyPowers:

remind me again where the .lircrc file should go in order for mythtv to see it?

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kormoc:

~/.mythtv/lircrc

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jk1joel:

~/.mythtv/lircrc

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ShiftyPowers:

hmm

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ShiftyPowers:

ok

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ShiftyPowers:

and mythwelcome should use that location as well yeah?

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kormoc:

aye

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ShiftyPowers:

ah, i think my SVN version of the frontend is segfaulting

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ShiftyPowers:

that might be a problem

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ShiftyPowers:

i should really stop doing SVN compiles

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ShiftyPowers:

makes no sense really

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pembo13:

where can I get help with tv_grab_na_dd?

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pembo13:

i am trying to run tv_grab_na_dd — configure and it tells me to run --configure\

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Anduin:

pembo13: how did you install it?

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pembo13:

Anduin: via rpm from Atrpms

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Anduin:

pembo13: and did you run it with --configure?

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pembo13:

hold

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pembo13:

mabye i just typed it wrongly

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pembo13:

sorry

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pembo13:

i had a space between — and configure

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ajh:

well, no clue why the backend process while idle is sucking up 100% cpu

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ShiftyPowers:

if I want to reinstall mythtv; including the backend and frontend is there a way to ensure i don't lose a) my database and b) settings that have been put in place so far? I imagine if I don't touch the database in mysql and leave .mythtv alone the rest of the system files can be deleted no?

[04:01:04]

ShiftyPowers:

reason is that my frontend is segfaulting for some reason and on another machine the solutoin was to resintall mythtv from SVN

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Anduin:

If you are using a mythtv build, it will not create or destroy the DB across installs

[04:03:32]

Anduin:

If you use some packager, who knows.

[04:03:55]

ShiftyPowers:

i'm using a build

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Anduin:

You can always backup the DB and restore (assuming you are not going back revision wise)

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah not going back revision wise

[04:04:18]

ShiftyPowers:

i'll back it up just ot make sure

[04:04:27]

ShiftyPowers:

the configuration of my OTA HD card was a pain to get right

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pembo13:

i have a listing problem (wrong station on wrong channel) — i have done the schedules direct checks to confirm that the actual XML listings are coming in good, they seem to be

[04:05:44]

pembo13:

is there a wiki page on "resting" mythtv's channel listings?

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Anduin:

pembo13: mythtv-setup go to the channel editor, choose the source, delete channels

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pembo13:

Anduin: cool.. then mythfilldatabase?

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Anduin:

pembo13: Yes, or you can track down the problem by hand, or try --do-channel-updates, etc

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Anduin:

(--do-channel-updates is what I'd do first)

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pembo13:

Anduin: i'll try deleting first, i think i tried --do-channel-updates once before

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pembo13:

ok.. will try again then

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darkdrgn2k:

hey guys, any idea why my old box would crash while watching tv?

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darkdrgn2k:

picture would just freeze

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darkdrgn2k:

ssh, remote. nothign works..

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darkdrgn2k:

no core dump iether

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Anduin:

darkdrgn2k: So the machine locked? Requiring a manual reset?

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darkdrgn2k:

yes

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darkdrgn2k:

running 21-fixes

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Anduin:

video driver, capture driver, misc

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darkdrgn2k:

running 21-fixes

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darkdrgn2k:

running 21-fixes

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darkdrgn2k:

wtf? lol

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darkdrgn2k:

sory.

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darkdrgn2k:

this is a FRONTEND only... (no backend on this machine)

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darkdrgn2k:

back end is runnign pvr150

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Anduin:

so video driver, misc

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darkdrgn2k:

works FINE on the backend

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califdreas:

i'd bet on the video driver as well

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darkdrgn2k:

Anduin: Nvidia propriatery\

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califdreas:

try it with another card if you can, or try it without the tv-out activated.

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darkdrgn2k:

califdreas: not using tv.out.. using TFT

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Anduin:

darkdrgn2k: That doesn't mean it isn't the cause, basically you are looking for something capable of taking down the box, MythTV isn't that, video driver is the next most likely (and capable)

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darkdrgn2k:

but it did happen with tv out as well

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darkdrgn2k:

Anduin: for some reason im thinking it MIGHT be the usb audio :-S

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califdreas:

I have seen a couiple of weird things regarding incompatibilities. switching drivers or hardware around should narrow your problem down.

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darkdrgn2k:

dam.. well this is a low profile machine.. dont have many options :-S

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darkdrgn2k:

last words of myth frontend seem ussless too

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darkdrgn2k:

2008-04–13 00:15:32.029 DPMS Deactivated

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darkdrgn2k:

2008-04–13 00:15:33.439 RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/00/tv/1006_20080413001317.mpg): Waited 1.0 seconds for data to become available...

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darkdrgn2k:

2008-04–13 00:15:33.439 Checking to see if there's a new livetv program to switc h to..

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm might be sound card...

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pembo13:

Anduin: thanks, that fixed it

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darkdrgn2k:

nop not the sound card..

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darkdrgn2k:

whats the diff between nvidial and nv?

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darkdrgn2k:

anythign worth while?

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califdreas:

nv is the open source driver.

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darkdrgn2k:

yes but... is there any benefit going with nvidia vs nv

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darkdrgn2k:

asside from xmvm (since every one says... dont use it)

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califdreas:

hm. i think you won't have opengl support. other than that... beats me.

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darkdrgn2k:

califdreas: dont relaly need it for myth do i?

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ajh:

try, if it falls over then change.

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darkdrgn2k:

k

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califdreas:

i have it running because my wife likes playing these opengl shooter games on our big tv.

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kormoc:

nvidia driver supports tv-out, has a lot better support for xrender and other x extensions, better overall 2d and 3d support, etc

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kormoc:

there's a lot of difference between the two, but you might be able to get by with the nv drive

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darkdrgn2k:

well this is a cheap computer

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darkdrgn2k:

model name : Pentium III (Coppermine)

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darkdrgn2k:

cpu MHz : 937.364

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm swiched to NV now no video is playing but i get

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darkdrgn2k:

2008-04–13 00:25:10.740 NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers.

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califdreas:

darkdrgn2k: seems like nobody can help you. My advice would be to check the xorg logfile, make sure the right driver and the xv extension are loaded, and check for any errors in the logfile.

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Eemak:

xris, you there

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Eemak:

?

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robbins876_:

when i try to load mythfrontend it kills my x session

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robbins876_:

any ideas?

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robbins876_:

anyone?

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kormoc:

logs would be helpful

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robbins61:

kormoc, what logs?

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** cesman was about to say the same... **

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kormoc:

X and frontend

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cesman:

what kormoc said that is...

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robbins61:

where are those logs kept?

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cesman:

robbins61: /var/log

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cesman:

robbins61: ~/.xsession-errors

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robbins61:

i must not have logging enabled or something for mythfrontend

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cesman:

you can have mythfrontend output to a logfile...

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cesman:

mythfrontend --help

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ajh:

would anyone have gotten dvbloopback building on Ubuntu 8.04?

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robbins61:

2008-04–12 23:56:45.377 Switching to square mode (MythCenter)

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robbins61:

mythfrontend: Fatal IO error: client killed

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robbins61:

Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy

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califdreas:

ajh: it comes kind of late, but yes, I found the dvbloopback stuff on the 'net and compiling worked. but i am on opensuse 10.3, and I have no idea if the kernel module will actually work.

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d110_:

I've just compiled and installed mythtv 0.21 and I get this error: "Cannot open shared object file libmythtv-0.21.so.0"

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d110_:

This library does exist /usr/local/lib but mythbackend cannot find it.

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Aval0n:

d110 what distro

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d110_:

Aval0n i just found that I had to add /usr/local/lib to my ld.so.conf and do a ldconfig as root, all fixed

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Aval0n:

cool

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Aval0n:

did you --prefix=/usr when you configured/

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Aval0n:

?

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Aval0n:

nvm

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Aval0n:

i gotta go to bed

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Aval0n:

hehehe

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Aval0n:

later

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d110_:

no i didn't

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Aval0n:

glad it worked for you

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califdreas:

night, Aval0n

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d110_:

thanks

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nevyn:

so I identified the cause of my io woes.

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nevyn:

mythcommflag

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nevyn:

is an io pig

[08:44:09]

Dibblah:

nevyn: Yes, it is. And?

[08:44:24]

Dibblah:

I would suggest running it realtime, not delayed, if you can.

[08:44:53]

Dibblah:

That way, it's more spread out, rather than peaky.

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nevyn:

combined with the ioshed that prefers io heavy stuff.. if you get behind for any reason.

[08:47:08]

nevyn:

badness results.

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nevyn:

so combined with massive fragmentation caused bye myth's sync every 4 seconds ext3 workaround this was a leading cause of badness in my world.

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Dibblah:

When you say io woes, what do you mean?

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Dibblah:

You shouldn't get massive fragmentation.

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nevyn:

oh.. video breaking up trying to watch it.

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Dibblah:

Unless you're running 85% or more full.

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nevyn:

:)

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Dibblah:

Which, really, you shouldn't do.

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nevyn:

I don't get fragmentation at 95% full

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nevyn:

once I fixed the broken sync every five seconds thing

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Dibblah:

Also, have your database on seperate spindles.

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Dibblah:

nevyn: That's not broken./

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nevyn:

database is on seperate spindles

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Dibblah:

There are really good reasons for it.

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Dibblah:

SBE NFS mounted.

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nevyn:

not with a decent FS

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nevyn:

ok.

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nevyn:

that's a reasonable reason

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Dibblah:

If it doesn't sync, and you're mounted async (default)...

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Dibblah:

Then no data is committed.

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nevyn:

NFS for this seems bad to me.

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Dibblah:

Until the sync or osync timeout.

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nevyn:

like the wrong answer bad.

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Dibblah:

Indeed it is.

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kormoc:

nevyn, rather switch everyone to samba?

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Dibblah:

Streaming works well.

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Dibblah:

Or... It should.

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nevyn:

kormoc: I actually think that a clustered filesystem is closer to the write answer for this particular problem.

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nevyn:

s/write/right/

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Dibblah:

Ick.

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nevyn:

but I havn't crunched numbers

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kormoc:

Dibblah, yeah, but you can't stream to a backend to record (yet)

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nevyn:

Dibblah: very few metadata ops.

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kormoc:

I really don't think any of the current cluster filesystems would handle it any better

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Dibblah:

Streaming is only from the MBE, you mean?

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Dibblah:

Ah, right – I see what you think you mean ;)

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nevyn:

I do wish the backend could preallocate tho.

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Dibblah:

Rather than what I was interpreting.

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kormoc:

heh

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Dibblah:

nevyn: The problem is how...?

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Dibblah:

Since you don't necessarily know the datarate.

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Dibblah:

Also, it would need *another* tweakable :( :(

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nevyn:

Dibblah: I didn't think it was variable.

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kormoc:

nevyn, it's very variable

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nevyn:

within a single transport?

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kormoc:

nevyn, it's not just transports, I use mpeg2 encoder cards, other use mpeg4, others rtjpeg, others h264....

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nevyn:

ok.

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nevyn:

but within a given source + "recording" I didn't think the bitrate was variable.

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nevyn:

Dibblah: was ick at samba or at clustered filesystems or both?

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kormoc:

nevyn, out of my 108 1 hour shows, not a single one is the same size, and they verify by 300 megs

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kormoc:

*very

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kormoc:

*vary?

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nevyn:

vary

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nevyn:

is the right one ;)

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kormoc:

heh, it's late :P

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nevyn:

then there's this crazy idea I have bout grio. but that's even more crack than the preallocation one

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Dibblah:

nevyn: Yes, transmitted (DVB / ATSC / ...) is VBR.

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Dibblah:

nevyn: How many cards do you have?

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nevyn:

but the fs should be able to get within 20% or so of the filesize.

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nevyn:

Dibblah: 3

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nevyn:

dvb-t

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Dibblah:

Hardware?

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nevyn:

with 2 multiplexes enabled for each card.

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Dibblah:

Shouldn't really be seeing any issues at that sort of load...

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nevyn:

re-adding a disk that fell out of the raid :(

[09:01:13]

Dibblah:

If it's raid5, that would cause it.

[09:01:14]

** justinh chuckles. raid for tv. heh **

[09:01:33]

Dibblah:

justinh: Uhuh.

[09:01:54]

Dibblah:

If I was to lose the 5 weeks of Corrie, I'd be... Less than popular.

[09:02:08]

nevyn:

well the raid5 is the disks and then there's the lvm then there's the mythtv lv

[09:02:09]

Dibblah:

(Now upped to 10 weeks, on request)

[09:02:11]

nevyn:

;)

[09:02:33]

Dibblah:

The SO gets behind occasionally :)

[09:02:45]

Dibblah:

... Which is the reason for having a PVR.

[09:02:50]

kormoc:

ext4 will actually support extents and the like, so things should get better for video users when it stablizes

[09:03:04]

nevyn:

I have extents NOW.

[09:03:12]

nevyn:

I just have lots of them instead of few per file

[09:03:21]

** kormoc blinks **

[09:03:24]

nevyn:

changing fsync to a nop in a preload fixes it.

[09:03:24]

Dibblah:

Extents need application hints to be useful, don't they?

[09:03:26]

nevyn:

;)

[09:03:51]

nevyn:

Dibblah: see where I was talking about preallocation ;)

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kormoc:

Dibblah, yeah, but easy enough to add once it gets specced, will help out reiser and other fs's as well

[09:03:53]

Dibblah:

extents != fragmented files.

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Dibblah:

Yup. Patches to Reiser may take some time, though ;)

[09:04:16]

justinh:

Dibblah: one of the great ironies of soap operas is that it's not actually necessary to watch them to know what's going on in them. Just browse the covers of trashy magazines in newsagents instead :P

[09:04:34]

Dibblah:

justinh: _I_ know that.

[09:04:51]

Dibblah:

And the cookie cutter plots don't interest me.

[09:04:53]

nevyn:

convince the SO.

[09:05:05]

nevyn:

I have had some success this weekend

[09:05:09]

Dibblah:

"Ooooh – Look – another pedo! Burn him!"

[09:05:26]

Dibblah:

Murderer in the street – AGAIN?

[09:05:30]

nevyn:

I now have spdif +for normal audio and ac3 passthrough for DD transmissions and DVDs :)

[09:05:32]

justinh:

got her watching eastenders, corrie & emmerdale on 1.3x now. she didn't notice the increase

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kormoc:

nevyn, there's your problem, ditch the SO and no more worries!

[09:05:50]

Dibblah:

1.3?!?!?

[09:06:11]

Dibblah:

I find 1.1 noticable.

[09:06:31]

nevyn:

hrm there's an idea.

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kormoc:

Dibblah, perhaps they're just that full of the bad actor drama which is huge pauses

[09:06:34]

justinh:

I don't think she'll ever fall for 2.0 but hey time spent not watching soaps is time spent in bed :D

[09:06:46]

nevyn:

make the playback speed of a show.. settable in the database.

[09:06:55]

kormoc:

nevyn, it is, playback profiles

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nevyn:

ooh sweet.

[09:07:01]

justinh:

nevyn: that's what playback groups are for

[09:07:15]

justinh:

you can make them based on recording rules or regular expressions

[09:07:17]

nevyn:

but digital audio goodness ;)

[09:08:03]

Dibblah:

Meh. 'All digital' audio is overrated.

[09:08:06]

justinh:

until the multichannel audio stuff is working properly myth will just output it as stereo in time mangling mode

[09:08:20]

Dibblah:

Not just stereo.

[09:08:27]

Dibblah:

Oh, right.

[09:08:30]

Dibblah:

Misunderstood :)

[09:09:05]

kormoc:

I like my mungled audio as 1 bit mono

[09:09:12]

kormoc:

it's like morse code that way

[09:09:27]

nevyn:

Dibblah: two things.

[09:09:35]

justinh:

yeah why hasn't myth got an option to output to the pc speaker? :P

[09:09:55]

nevyn:

even a "cheap" AVR has someone thinking about crosstalk and interference in it's design.

[09:10:19]

nevyn:

pc's are electrically noisy and few people think about such issues in their design.

[09:11:07]

justinh:

certainly in terms of TV tuner cards & soundcards that's true. decoupling is usually awful so you get to hear the mouse moving on analogue audio outputs

[09:11:36]

kormoc:

I don't get that on my boxes

[09:11:38]

nevyn:

plus 5.1 for 5.1 transmissions is nice. now I just need to replace mythtranscode with a version that preserves AC3 tracks.

[09:11:43]

kormoc:

and mine are all analog

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justinh:

the inside of a PC case is not the most friendly environment you'd want to put a sensitive RF device inside :P

[09:12:17]

justinh:

kormoc: _some_ manufacturers have a clue. my c2d motherboard is very quiet

[09:12:17]

kormoc:

justinh, proper grounding, a good power supply, good mobo, high regulation... it works well enough :)

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nevyn:

kormoc: that'd be thinking about grounding and crosstalk issues. most integrators just don't.

[09:13:17]

nevyn:

the second thing is. an AVR on average contains higher quality DAC's than your soundcard.

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kormoc:

nevyn, but we're not integrators, we build our own boxes, so what you end up with is your own fault

[09:13:38]

justinh:

buy design kit from manufacturer. copy the prototype PCB & drivers, wheel out a product, make money. tada!

[09:14:53]

Dibblah:

nevyn: I have 5.1 with a pure analog setup.

[09:15:51]

nevyn:

sure and I may yet change over to 7.1 over analog if I get blu-ray or something working.

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Dibblah:

Hardly any noise. None noticable at full volume.

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nevyn:

but for now. moving audio production outside the pc is.. a low cost path.

[09:16:40]

nevyn:

the AVR is mostly a glorified switchbox for the PS/2 Wii Xbox and mythfrontend

[09:16:43]

Dibblah:

Either get a good motherboard, or a good external soundcard. Amps are far cheaper than recievers.

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nevyn:

Dibblah: an acceptable reciever is only $500ish.

[09:18:56]

nevyn:

a good multichannel poweramp is a lot more than that.

[09:20:19]

nevyn:

given the projectors consumablecost in the order of $500/year a grand on audio wasn't a big deal for me.

[09:20:34]

justinh:

analogue multichannel amps are getting hard to find these days though :)

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nevyn:

justinh: rotel still make them but $$$$++++

[09:21:16]

nevyn:

way more than a reciever.

[09:22:31]

justinh:

my home setup sounds better than ok & didn't cost me too much. I can't afford to take audio too seriously

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nevyn:

justinh: I think tha things can be improved mostly by stopping the SO pushing the fronts back against the wall

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nevyn:

in my case.

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justinh:

heh. in my case it's stopping her putting the fronts facing the opposite wall ;)

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nevyn:

:-{

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nevyn:

so blu-ray now that it's won

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keith:

someone refresh my memory... do I add a pchdtv5500 as DVB or V4L?

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sebrock:

what would be the easiest way to reset all my settins on backend? remove mythconvergDB? will a new one be created automaticly?

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cesman:

sebrock: if you drop the db and recreate it, when you run mythtv-setup again it will populate the db w/ the appropriate schema

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sebrock:

thanks that was what I needed to know

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cesman:

you're welcome

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justinh:

oh dear. Sky have disabled the component output of their HD boxes

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sebrock:

now why would they do that+

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justinh:

hmm I wonder ;)

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nick_fn:

Does anyone use a DVB-S card with an ex UK Sky dish?

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nick_fn:

I'm not sure if you can just leave it in the same direction to get Free To Air channels?

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AndyCap:

nick_fn: if it's pointed at 28.2E there should be some FTA there yes

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AndyCap:

BBC etc.

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nick_fn:

wonder how I verify that

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AndyCap:

do a channel scan and see what you get. :>

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nick_fn:

I have to do less recabling if I use DVB-S with the old dish, rather than DVB-T

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nick_fn:

Ah, I have not bought a DVB-S card yet :-) I'm picking between the two now...

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nick_fn:

Maybe I can get the sky box to tell me.

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justinh:

nick_fn: you know you cant split a satellite cable using only joins don't you?

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Dibblah:

nick_fn: Some FTA channels. For example, there are still some channels that are FTA on DVB-t, but need a box on Sky.

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Dibblah:

Look on lyngsat to find out what you can get FTA.

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nick_fn:

justinh: my dish has a quad LNB and I currently have two cables in, so to start with, I'd use one for Sky, and one for MythTV

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justinh:

nick_fn: cool – was just making sure you weren't unclued ;)

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nick_fn:

justinh: although I would expect a sufficiently good/high bandwidth splitter to work? I think I used to use a 1Ghz one, or something...

[12:13:53]

nick_fn:

I expect my current dish would be able to pick up Astra 2D, Eurobird 1, etc. because they carry Sky Digital anyway?

[12:15:07]

nick_fn:

but looking at the support of the Nova-S2 I believe I should wait. At least until I see what FreeSat does.

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justinh:

nick_fn: you can't just split sat cables

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nick_fn:

ok. Well, I've got a quad LNB, so I guess that's not a problem.

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Saviq:

nick_fn: there are 4 states the converter on the dish works (it's driven by the set-top-box or whatever) two bands (hi and lo) and two polarisations (horizontal and vertical or left/right circular)

[12:22:09]

Saviq:

one converter (unless twin or quad or...) can only receive signal using only one state

[12:22:14]

Saviq:

so no, a splitter won't do

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Saviq:

unless you want onlyy be able to receive channels from the same band/polarisation at all receivers

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justinh:

then there's the issue of the line power too

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justinh:

can't just go ganging that all up together :)

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nick_fn:

The DVB-S card influences the LNB so select a band and polarisation?

[12:24:22]

justinh:

yup

[12:24:33]

justinh:

and powers the LNB

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nick_fn:

ok

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jduggan:

this new recording multiple streams from one mux thing in .21.. does that work on dvb-s ?

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justinh:

jduggan: aye

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jduggan:

hmm

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jduggan:

now if channel4 would hurry and put their stuff on freesat, i can get my act together

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jduggan:

already priced a dish/lnb etc from maplin.. alot cheaper than i thought it was going to be

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jduggan:

im sure if i shopped around i could get even cheaper

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a1fa:

mythweather is still broken, right?

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mzb_d800:

a1fa: mine works

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mzb_d800:

(0.21-fixes)

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mzb_d800:

although I think it should have a "Bookings" section ;)

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nick_fn:

jduggan: how much is 'a lot cheaper than you thought it would be'?

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EvilGuru:

Ugh, XMLTV is such a pain in the butt. One mistake out of 200+ channels and you have to do it all over again

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nick_fn:

EvilGuru: can you edit it's config file directly?

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EvilGuru:

nick_fn: I did look for it

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EvilGuru:

But found nothing

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GreyFoxx:

Where are you located EvilGuru ?

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EvilGuru:

GreyFoxx: UK

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh ok. I'm just not use to seeing people outside of NA mention that many channels, and they don't need to use xmltv so I was curious :)

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mzb_d800:

compared the the ~10 channels (?) of "pure quality" we get in .au I can only imagine ;)

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mzb_d800:

s/the/to the

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mzb_d800:

I'll take my sarcasm to bed with me ... or leave it on the couch ... either way

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mzb_d800:

gnite all

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TelnetManta:

man, there was a version change from yesterday to today?

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TelnetManta:

what could have changed...

[14:38:19]

Aval0n:

huh?

[14:38:26]

Aval0n:

are you talking about trunk?

[14:38:31]

TelnetManta:

fixes

[14:38:43]

TelnetManta:

17023 yesterday and 17033 today.

[14:38:53]

Aval0n:

;)

[14:38:56]

Aval0n:

it happens often

[14:44:55]

Puh_:

for some reason mythweb only gives me the "mobile version" ui

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kormoc:

TelnetManta, there was?

[15:03:03]

kormoc:

TelnetManta, There was not! http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/relea . . . gins/mythweb :)

[15:04:53]

TelnetManta:

kormoc: Huh?

[15:05:43]

kormoc:

TelnetManta, there's been 0 changes to 0.21-fixes mythweb in the past 3 weeks

[15:05:59]

kormoc:

oh wait

[15:06:05]

kormoc:

someone else was talking bout mythweb

[15:06:09]

TelnetManta:

you were on the wong page

[15:06:13]

kormoc:

whoops, sorry

[15:06:17]

TelnetManta:

:-)

[15:06:29]

kormoc:

meh

[15:06:30]

TelnetManta:

it just changed again since I said that, now 17034

[15:06:45]

TelnetManta:

just hope the protocol hasnt changed

[15:06:50]

kormoc:

It was more I woke up, misread stuff and got worried I was commiting to the wrong branch last night :P

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TelnetManta:

brought up a new backend last night so Im updating my other backend now to test it as a frontend only...

[15:07:37]

TelnetManta:

only reason I noticed.

[15:07:40]

gbee:

TelnetManta: no changes to fixes – the revision number applies to trunk and branches equally – so changes in trunk bump the revision number in -fixes or any other branch

[15:07:43]

kormoc:

TelnetManta, actually, it's still been 3 days from the last 0.21-fixes commit

[15:08:02]

kormoc:

TelnetManta, subversion uses a global revision number, so commits to -trunk change -fixes current revision number

[15:08:15]

TelnetManta:

ah, ok. Im dumb when it comes to my understanding of this topic.

[15:08:48]

TelnetManta:

I always name my mythtv svn folder to the version number so I can keep up with whats installed etc.

[15:08:59]

Aval0n:

hey kormoc, maybe you can answer a question for me. When I use the internal player to play a dvd image, when I hit ffwd or rew, it goes but when I hit play, it jumps back to where I was

[15:09:01]

kormoc:

no worries

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Aval0n:

you have any idea what causes that

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TelnetManta:

Aval0n: sounds liuke you saved a position

[15:09:35]

Aval0n:

it acts like it does when I'm watching a recorded program, ffwd throught the commercial and hit play.. and it jumps to the end of the last commercial

[15:09:37]

kormoc:

TelnetManta, you can always checkout a specific revision as well, svn co -r #### blahblahblah, that way all your boxes use the same version no matter when you check it out

[15:09:52]

Aval0n:

TelnetManta: can't be it was the first time watching the movie

[15:09:58]

TelnetManta:

kormoc: no way! I didnt know that either.

[15:10:01]

Aval0n:

and it doesn't matter wher eI start ffwing from

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Aval0n:

or rew

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gbee:

Aval0n: sounds like a bug, but not one I've noticed

[15:10:07]

kormoc:

Aval0n, hrm. Might be seek table stuff

[15:10:20]

Aval0n:

hm

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Aval0n:

I had to change it to mplayer

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gbee:

not seektable if it's a proper image, we don't use an external seektable for DVD seeking

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gbee:

as long as the ifo files still exist we do proper DVD seeking

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kormoc:

gbee, ahh, didn't realize that

[15:10:56]

roe_:

anyone know of a good website to judge the capability of onboard graphics and HD content?

[15:11:24]

kormoc:

roe_, there's stuff on the wiki bout it

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gbee:

if you rip the vob files without the VIDEO_TS file structure and ifo files then you can't seek properly without building a seektable

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Aval0n:

I used mythtv to rip them

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EvilGuru:

With myfilldatabase how are you supposed to choose a channel id?

[15:13:30]

EvilGuru:

As currently I am having to ask MySQL for an ID

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gbee:

Aval0n: you used mythdvd ;) No idea if mythdvd does the right thing, I don't rip dvds often and when I do I use vobcopy (with the copy all files option)

[15:14:06]

Aval0n:

hmm

[15:14:14]

Aval0n:

mplayer seeks fine with it

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kormoc:

Gotta love the double d!

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gbee:

Aval0n: it's only down to the way the internal player recognises that we are playing a DVD as opposed to an mpeg2 video

[15:19:11]

Aval0n:

hmm

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TelnetManta:

man, sure does compile faster on that C2D box than it does on my P4 box

[15:23:56]

Aval0n:

you notice a difference with your hd playback between c2d and p4 too?

[15:25:43]

TelnetManta:

havent tried the P4 for HD playbeack, yet

[15:26:37]

EvilGuru:

How big are your MySQL databases for Myth after a few months of usage?

[15:28:31]

Aval0n:

ahh

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kormoc:

EvilGuru, 110 megs here for ~5 years

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TelnetManta:

mines about 42mb

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TelnetManta:

after 2.5 years

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EvilGuru:

Okay so it doesn't really grow

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keith4_:

doesn't make much sense to keep old programming information for *that* long

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keith4_:

so, I upgraded to a new kernel, and it looks like it has ivtv 1.1 builtin... but now the hotplug firmware fails to load

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gbee:

we only store old recording data for that long – so that repeats etc aren't recorded when they are shown a few years later

[15:41:26]

gbee:

programme data is deleted after 7 days, seektable data etc is deleted when the recording is deleted

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EvilGuru:

gbee: Thanks

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EvilGuru:

Also mythfilldatabase, I am using two XMLTV video sources which grab from the radio times. How much bandwidth could one expect it to consume

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gbee:

the database might get to be 200Mb depending on your setup but that's less than 10 minutes of recording space

[15:45:00]

gbee:

average database size is probably under 50Mb

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EvilGuru:

So long as it is less than 2/3GiB I am happy

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gbee:

EvilGuru: no idea on bandwidth, depends a lot on the xmltv source/script – not a lot really though, mythfilldatabase will minimise the amount of data it grabs (depending on the script)

[15:47:40]

EvilGuru:

Yes, I was wondering if it did that

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gbee:

certainly won't be more than visiting the websites in a browser would use – 200–500Kb a day max?

[15:48:38]

gbee:

well less than visiting them in a browser, since it won't download all the images

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EvilGuru:

It normally takes 10–15 minutes to run

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gbee:

EvilGuru: that's probably the parsing, the downloads themselves probably happen in a couple of seconds

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EvilGuru:

Makes sense

[15:50:12]

gbee:

but like I said, it all depends on the xmltv script and source website – we treat grabbers differently and they all behave differently

[15:50:46]

EvilGuru:

I am very happy with MythTV so far (only have been using it properly a year)

[15:52:09]

gbee:

e.g. in the UK we use radiotimes data in CSV format – it's extremely lightweight and fast to parse, but because all information for 14 days appears in a single file it might use more bandwidth than a grabber which only fetches data it doesn't already have (a day at a time etc)

[15:52:10]

david:

anyone with experience of hauppage nova-t 500?

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gbee:

david: yeah

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EvilGuru:

dagar: I did have a go at using mine with mythbuntu 8.04, but to no avail

[15:52:43]

EvilGuru:

However, I believe it is a known problem

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david:

gbee: works good?

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gbee:

drivers have a few problems, you need to disable active EIT to prevent driver crashes and the very latest drivers are worse than those which were available around Sept/Oct last year

[15:54:18]

gbee:

having said all that, I've had mine for a couple of years and it's my primary card

[15:55:16]

gbee:

think it helps if you know what you are doing and you don't mind fixing problems – it's not plug and play, at least not with certain driver versions

[15:58:22]

gbee:

I think you'd be fine with 2.6.23 and 0.21 with active EIT disabled in mythtv-setup

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keith4_:

since upgrading to 2.6.24 with ivtv 1.1, I'm seeing a pile of these in dmesg, and no ivtv cards in myth: ivtv0: Retry: file loaded was not v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw (expected size 376836, got 262144)

[15:59:04]

dustybin:

david: yep turn off EIT, then turn off USB autosuspend, you will need to installer a newer kernel to do that or recompile a older kernel

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gbee:

2.6.21+ probably – not sure about 2.6.24

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gbee:

you don't need EIT completely disabled – just active EIT

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dustybin:

gbee: do you do that from mythtv setup?

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gbee:

meaning that it will only grab new EIT data when recording or watching LiveTV

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gbee:

dustybin: yep, under the advanced page for each card

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dustybin:

aye ok

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dustybin:

i can turn off usb autosuspend on kernel 2.6.24 by putting a config inside /etc/modprobe.d

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gbee:

"recording options" is the actual name of the button (should really be advanced)

[16:01:28]

dustybin:

my usb bus is always on

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

so far my nova-t has been rock solid

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gbee:

never played with USB auto-suspend

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dustybin:

gbee: they say that could be the cause of the nova-t disconnecting

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EvilGuru:

dustybin: I have a nova-t, works a treat

[16:02:56]

EvilGuru:

My nova-t 500 is in the box until the .24 series works

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dustybin:

aye me too ever since i turned off EIT and usb autosuspend

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EvilGuru:

Hmm, I wonder why XMLTV (radiotimes) ignores bbc3.bbc.co.uk and bbc4.bbc.co.uk

[16:03:32]

dustybin:

^^^ nova-t 500

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gbee:

nova-T are rock solid, the Nova-T 500 is very realiable if you follow the advice (but once every couple of months I might still lose a recording, considering how much I record that's not really much and I'll always catch the repeat later in the week)

[16:04:13]

dustybin:

remote works perfectly too

[16:04:33]

dustybin:

although i did have problems with logs filling up with remote stuff, but that seems to of cleared up

[16:04:33]

nick_fn:

wonder if I should just get two Nova-T's instead of a T 500?

[16:04:43]

EvilGuru:

nick_fn: It would cost a lot more

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EvilGuru:

The price for a Nova-T is almost that of a T 500

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nick_fn:

EvilGuru: ah, I see

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nick_fn:

I had only looked at T 500 prices so far

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EvilGuru:

and my Nova-T only has a single coax input

[16:05:20]

gbee:

dustybin: that's interesting – I've had problems with a USB audio device which might also be explained by the same thing (at least I hope so because the ALSA devs are useless :p)

[16:05:22]

EvilGuru:

So two of them would require you to have two spare cables

[16:05:31]

nick_fn:

EvilGuru: I can do splitters OK :-)

[16:06:43]

gbee:

nick_fn: costs more and means you have less scope to upgrade, I think a nova-t 500 is a good purchase so long as you are prepared to pick the right kernel (or driver)

[16:07:11]

EvilGuru:

Now, I have switched my Nova-T over to the radio times, but how do I tune it in/scan for channels

[16:07:20]

EvilGuru:

(I was using the EPG)

[16:07:35]

EvilGuru:

I have set it as an input source etc. But I need to somehow fetch the channels

[16:07:39]

gbee:

but in the UK, I think you could easily get away with two tuners (or dual tuner) and multirec – through in a PVR-150 if you _must_ record Sky (why?!) ;)

[16:07:52]

keith4_:

through?

[16:08:01]

gbee:

throw

[16:08:05]

gbee:

tired

[16:08:49]

gbee:

at this point you should be worried that I did the English translation for Myth ;)

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keith4_:

slightly

[16:15:25]

keith4_:

i'm more worried that I can't load the firmware for the ivtv driver, though

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kormoc:

keith4_, did you build in the ivtv drivers or leave them as modules?

[16:16:08]

keith4_:

modules

[16:16:18]

keith4_:

I basically have this guy's problem: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/devel/37951

[16:16:30]

keith4_:

except PVR250s, not 350. so I can't load ivtvfb anyway

[16:17:30]

janneg:

since 2.6.24.4 the Nova-T 500 works as least as relieable as before. maybe better, I hadn't a single disconnect with active eit since running 2.6.24.4

[16:17:32]

kormoc:

well, are you sure the firmware is in the proper directory?

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keith4_:

yep

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kormoc:

keith4, enabled firmware loading in the kernel?

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keith4_:

stock debian kernel

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keith4_:

it tries to load the firmware... but spits out: "ivtv0: Retry: file loaded was not v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw (expected size 376836, got 262144)"

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keith4_:

and 262144 is indeed the size of the firmware

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kormoc:

keith4_, so it's 'corrupt', re download it from ivtv's site?

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keith4_:

kormoc, i have, several time. tried every firmware i could find

[16:20:13]

keith4_:

the current one is from here: http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/

[16:20:24]

keith4_:

(as suggested in that forum)

[16:20:33]

ajh:

so, is it true that every dvb-s card in a backend has to be connected to the same switch?

[16:20:43]

Dibblah:

keith4: look for [ivtv-devel] Why won't my firmware load?

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kormoc:

keith4_, 376836 Aug 10 2007 v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw

[16:20:52]

Dibblah:

ajh: No.

[16:20:57]

kormoc:

keith4_, let me get the url I used...

[16:21:09]

ajh:

then why when I change the switch type for one card, do all the others change too?

[16:21:21]

keith4_:

Dibblah, yah, i've been reading all morning

[16:21:46]

keith4_:

i've started udev with --verbose.. it IS loading the firmware, I think, but the driver rejects it

[16:21:52]

Dibblah:

ajh: Shouldn't happen...

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keith4_:

claiming, essentially, that "this can't be the right firmware, it's the wrong size"

[16:22:05]

Dibblah:

The diseqc tree is per-device.

[16:22:07]

kormoc:

keith4_, http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/firmware-20070217.tar.gz

[16:22:16]

ajh:

One switch was a SW42

[16:22:40]

ajh:

but when I changed the 2nd input to Diseqc it changed the first too

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Dibblah:

ajh: You've tried removing / readding all cards?

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ajh:

yes

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Dibblah:

That's odd.

[16:23:03]

ajh:

That's what I thought.

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kormoc:

keith4_, that tar.gz extracts to the expected filesizes for myself

[16:23:13]

ajh:

If I renamed an LNB that also ended up on the other input

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Dibblah:

janneg would probably know more. I assume this isn't SVN?

[16:23:28]

ajh:

no, 0.21 ubuntu

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ajh:

I also cannot get more than port-1 on the switch.

[16:23:50]

Dibblah:

I hate to say it, but read the ticket howto and open a ticket.

[16:23:51]

ajh:

I'm thinking bad-switch, but...

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keith4_:

kormoc, ah, thanks. i'm putting the .fw files in /lib/firmware and /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware, just to be safe

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kormoc:

keith4_, I actually only have it in /lib64/firmware

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ajh:

Getting more than one switch to test with is going to be expensive and take days.

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keith4_:

accoring to /lib/udev/hotplug.functions, it should check at least both of those

[16:25:25]

kormoc:

keith4_, heh, I don't have a hotplug.functions file there :)

[16:25:41]

ajh:

SHould an 8 input, 4 output uncommitted switch just work if 2 satellites are plugged in (legacy twin) and one output into each card?

[16:25:41]

** keith4_ shrugs **

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ajh:

Details on this kind of thing are very vague.

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keith4_:

it's just some crap that gets included in /lib/udev/firmware.agent, which you also probably don't have ;-)

[16:26:28]

Dibblah:

It depends. There isn't good support for sw42, etc, since there is very little legal use for it.

[16:26:36]

kormoc:

keith4_, Indeed, I don't :)

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ajh:

I'm fine with dumping the 42.

[16:26:57]

keith4_:

yay!

[16:26:59]

ajh:

I'd prefer to run one 8-input 4 output.

[16:27:04]

keith4_:

removed ivtv, reloaded it... WHAM

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janneg:

Dibblah: no, I know next to nothing about DiSeqC support in mythtv

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kormoc:

keith4_, snazzy

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keith4_:

kormoc, fwiw, the dec fw is the same size as I had, but the enc one is about 50% larger

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keith4_:

thanks muchly!

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Dibblah:

Hmm. Who was it that did the recent diseqc rewrite, then?

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kormoc:

you're quite welcome :)

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ajh:

When every component is a bit questionmark it's hard to debug.

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ajh:

or if I should be putting a 2:1 on each twin-lnb, then use a 4:4

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Dibblah:

Ah. Yeasah, who seems to not be following any more.

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ajh:

It's the EMP 9x8 I want to be able to use.

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ajh:

Then me and my neighbour can share one set of dishes.

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keith4_:

okay... now, I haven't had to do this in so long... I should setup a pchdtv5500 as DVB, and (optionally) add a V4L analog entry for it, too?

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EvilGuru:

Okay I have created a new video source based off of the channels I can get on my DVB tuner

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EvilGuru:

How do I connect up the input source correctly

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keith4_:

go to "input connections" in mythtv-setup

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keith4_:

holy crap, channel scanning has gotten so much better than the last time I did it

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TelnetManta:

ajh: ping

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ajh:

yep?

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TelnetManta:

sw44?

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ajh:

ugh, found another page that says this EMP 9x4 should be treated as a 2-port diseqc

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ajh:

yeah.

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TelnetManta:

I use a DP44

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ajh:

but I'm happy to dump it if I can get this 9x4 working

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TelnetManta:

works perfectly and helps with cheap cards

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TelnetManta:

cause its powered

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ajh:

I found one more config possibility for this that I can try.

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TelnetManta:

can anyone help me figure out why I cant connect to my new backend?

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TelnetManta:

Ive given sql permissions and changed sql to bind to all addresses

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TelnetManta:

well, now Im connected

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TelnetManta:

but cant watch live tv

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TelnetManta:

just drops right back to the menu

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darkdrgn2k:

If im running fedora and have a rvp150 and an hvr1600 .. would that cause trouble (when it comes to tuners jumping around the /dev) during reboot

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mkrufky:

not if you use this tree, darkdrgn2k

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mkrufky:

http://linuxtv.org/hg/~mkrufky/cx18/

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mkrufky:

darkdrgn2k: you can use the "adapter_nr" module option to force the dvb adapter numbers, and the "video_nr" module option to force the v4l device numbers

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darkdrgn2k:

mkrufky: do you know if digital was ever finished?

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mkrufky:

(thank janneg for this new functionality)

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mkrufky:

yes

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mkrufky:

digital is supported in the link i posted above

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darkdrgn2k:

LMAO that support was added 2 hours ago..

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darkdrgn2k:

talk about good timin

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mkrufky:

however, there is a bug still in the cx18 driver.... analog and digital dont both work concurrently... ie: you can only watch 1 at a time

[17:00:40]

mkrufky:

that problem should be fixed soon

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mkrufky:

no — we got digital support working over the past month ... the digital streaming code in that link is wrom last weekend

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mkrufky:

i pushed up the "adapter_nr" support for cx18 2 hours ago ;-)

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darkdrgn2k:

its ok.. i have my pvr150 for analog :)

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mkrufky:

ok

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mkrufky:

digital alone is working very well

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darkdrgn2k:

what the minimum specs required for HD playback

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darkdrgn2k:

(if backend is on another machine)

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mkrufky:

theres probably some answer to that question in the wiki

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Aval0n:

#aaaaaa is that black?

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mkrufky:

thats 66.67% grey

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keith4_:

so, I threw out all of my channel data, because it was messed up, and re-scanned. how do I tell it to fetch channel names from Schedules Direct?

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TelnetManta:

Anyone help me with this error in frontend log?

[17:06:26]

TelnetManta:

RemoteEncoder::openControlSocket(): Connection timed out.

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Aval0n:

I am using this theme called mythxface

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Aval0n:

but the unselected programs are so dark I can't read them

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darkdrgn2k:

mkrufky: do i need firmware?

[17:06:56]

** justinh offers his condolences **

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Aval0n:

I'de like to just have them white

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Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

justinh: you of all people would know which section I'm lookin for :P

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justinh:

in where – watch recordings?

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Aval0n:

yeah

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mkrufky:

darkdrgn2k: whatever firmware you already had working for the hvr1600 is fine

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Aval0n:

when I am over to the right hand side, all the episodes that are not select turn black

[17:08:19]

Aval0n:

or at least dark grey

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Aval0n:

I'de like to leave them white

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justinh:

ROFL... <font name="active" face="Bitstream Vera Sans"> <color>#000000</color>

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darkdrgn2k:

mkrufky: i didnt.. i have pvr in there right now :-S

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Aval0n:

cause it has a selector bar anyway

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Aval0n:

ahh the one that says active

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Aval0n:

I tried inactive :)

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justinh:

Aval0n: the background is dark isn't it?

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Aval0n:

yep

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Aval0n:

annoying

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mkrufky:

darkdrgn2k: theres probably a readme or something or maybe a wiki somewhere pointing to the firmware

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Aval0n:

either that or the theme maker had his tv on torch mode

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mkrufky:

darkdrgn2k: i dont know how the firmware is being distributed

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darkdrgn2k:

mkrufky: do you knwo what the name is though..i should have it sitting somehwere

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mkrufky:

load the driver and read the error that you see in dmesg — it will tell you the filename of missing firmware, *if* you're missing it

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darkdrgn2k:

kool :)

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justinh:

Aval0n: how's the ram usage then? there's a hell of a lot of unnecessary image duplication in there

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Aval0n:

hahah

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Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

it's okay

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Aval0n:

not horrible but could be better

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Aval0n:

it's a damn nice looking theme though

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Aval0n:

and they ripped off a couple of your images

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Aval0n:

:P

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justinh:

they ripped off blootube-wide :)

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justinh:

xml, the lot. it's not awful so I don't mind

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Aval0n:

:P

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justinh:

my main beef with it is that it's based on a mediaportal skin

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Aval0n:

oh?

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Aval0n:

there

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Aval0n:

that looks MUCH better

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scurb:

Hello.. have this strange problem with my saa7134-alsa module.. my sound is totally disaster.. sounds like donald duck and always reports buffer underrun.. I think the sound is played/recorded in a faulty bitrate.. can this be true?

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Aval0n:

used ffffff

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justinh:

Aval0n: http://www.team-mediaportal.com/component/opt . . . info/id,685/

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Aval0n:

omg

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Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

that's it

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justinh:

I like its quirks..... such as the fact it's ready for 'DH'

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Aval0n:

it's not original

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justinh:

have you spotted the 'DH' camcorder yet?

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Aval0n:

lol no

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Aval0n:

I just used the listings view in it

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Aval0n:

perhaps the other would show it

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Aval0n:

heheheh

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justinh:

mythvideo, browse view

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Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

there it is

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Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

hmm

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justinh:

effing heck. I'm glad I wasn't the creator of any media portal skin. reading some of the comments some ungrateful bastards have left on the MP pages ...

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scurb:

Noone have any idea about my "donald duck sound" :)?

[17:17:56]

Aval0n:

weird I'm getting horizontal shadows

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Aval0n:

like if there was a bar on the left you can see a shadow of it on the left hand side of the screen

[17:18:23]

Aval0n:

directly across from it

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Aval0n:

I'm using HDMI too

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justinh:

Aval0n: that's called bearding

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Aval0n:

so I wonder if it's a fault of the TV

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Aval0n:

odd

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justinh:

turn the brightness down

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thatnotme:

sp you finaly realized that mp is better then mythtv

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Aval0n:

brightness and contrast at 50%

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Aval0n:

hmm

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justinh:

I thought bearding was a purely analogue artifact...

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Aval0n:

mp

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Aval0n:

?

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justinh:

thatnotme: oh hello Mr Troll

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keith4_:

some jackoff in #nvidia was claiming that Elisa is better than mythtv

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Aval0n:

me too

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Aval0n:

odd

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justinh:

keith4_: it is, if you like your media frontend to be really crashy

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justinh:

and if all you wanna do is watch downloaded/ripped stuff

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keith4_:

justinh, to humor him, i went to the web page

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keith4_:

the first item under "planned features" is "Full TV viewing and PVR capabilities, including features such as time- shifting"

[17:20:25]

thatnotme:

Aval0n, mp is media center that started of with mythtv, but mythtv got stuck in 2002 and hasnt developed since then.

[17:20:42]

EvilGuru:

Ugh, it seems the only way I am going to get DVB working is with the EPG... great

[17:20:44]

** justinh suspects thatnotme needs a damn good slap **

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darkdrgn2k:

where is the hotplug folder lOl

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keith4_:

darkdrgn2k, which distro?

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darkdrgn2k:

fedora

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scurb:

Solved it .. changed bitrate in my recording profiles.. :)

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justinh:

that guy is going the wrong way about getting a chess plugin written for mythtv for him :P

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Aval0n:

hehehe

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justinh:

think I'll just add a global ignore to my irc client

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keith4_:

darkdrgn2k, dunno... in debian it looks for firmware in a few places, such as /lib/firmware, /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware

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darkdrgn2k:

foudn it thanx

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darkdrgn2k:

ummm... is this ok?

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darkdrgn2k:

cx18–0: Registered device radio0 for encoder radio

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darkdrgn2k:

cx18–0: Error -12 registering devices

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darkdrgn2k:

cx18–0: Error -12 on initialization

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darkdrgn2k:

cx18: probe of 0000:00:0a.0 failed with error -12

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darkdrgn2k:

mkrufky: how do i specify the adapter_nr again.. in modprobe.conf right?

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darkdrgn2k:

options cx18 adapter_nr=1

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darkdrgn2k:

right

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kormoc:

justinh, meh, I'll just kick/ban for awhile next time :)

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darkdrgn2k:

any one know if the ATSC tuner is suppoerted: T14A/AR

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darkdrgn2k:

ATSC Digital TV

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keith4_:

check the wiki

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mkrufky:

...and google can probably answer that question quicker than anybody else

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kormoc:

mkrufky, wait... irc isn't a text to google gateway?

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mkrufky:

sometimes it seems that way, doesnt it

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mkrufky:

i know one of the irc rooms i used to frequent had a bot that would answer questions with google search result links

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Saviq:

I know here's not really the place, but I thought that you guys have enough experience to help – my TT Premium (on progdvb at the moment, worked fine in myth like 2 weeks ago) doesn't seem to switch polarisation... it locks fine on V, but doesn't see no signal on V transports... any ideas? apart from the card being half-dead?

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darkdrgn2k:

kormoc: funny..

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kormoc:

I love it when people are like, I've googled for hours, and my I'm feeling lucky gets the right page on my first set of keywords

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mkrufky:

and the bot was ~ 90 % accurate

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keith4_:

searching well is a lost art

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mkrufky:

ha

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justinh:

when mythtv gets audio feedback for the UI I hope it doesnt emit a click noise on top of the sound it plays, like mediaportal does :)

[17:41:23]

mkrufky:

audiofeedback... interesting. that will probably be themed as well, right?

[17:41:29]

kormoc:

justinh, I want mine to make chicken sounds!

[17:41:37]

ajh:

still seeing only port 1 no matter how I configure this, suggested is as a 2-port diseqc with a tone on each.

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iamlindoro_:

keith4: Searching *at all* is a lost art :)

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piksi:

i've recorded a couple of shows succesfully and they show up in "manage recordings -> previously recorded" -list but when i go to "media library -> watch recordings" they don't show up, but all other stuff that has just been automatically recorded while i was watching tv

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piksi:

so, why do all the shows i mark for recording not appear in that list?

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iamlindoro_:

piksi: Press M, change your filter...

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro_: i finished BSG s1 and im very annoyed that i dont have s2 yet

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piksi:

iamlindoro_: oh, thanks. i read through the frontend documentation but it didn't clarify completely what i should do

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: Hooked? :)

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mkrufky:

its freakin' awesome

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iamlindoro_:

piksi: np

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mkrufky:

yes :-)

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kormoc:

I honestly just can't get into BSG

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: Hehe, Season 2 and what we've seen of 4 so far are my favorites so far

[17:45:01]

mkrufky:

nice

[17:45:06]

kormoc:

every time I try to watch it, it's so slow and shakycamed

[17:45:29]

mkrufky:

by the time i finish ..umm.. "getting" episode 1 of season 2, its probably all ill have time for watching

[17:45:42]

mkrufky:

and hopefully my coworker will have the season 2 dvd's tomorrow

[17:45:45]

justinh:

wth? seems MP can't play files from my samba share. lame

[17:45:47]

iamlindoro_:

I realy like the shakycam for the space battle scenes for some reason-- adds to the frenetic feeling

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darkdrgn2k:

ok.. i just had my hostname changed on one of my boxers..what table holds the CARD hsotname info so i can change it :-P

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kormoc:

iamlindoro_, I get physically ill :/

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mkrufky:

kormoc: i agree about the shakycam ... sometimes it really annoys me

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: If that's so then understandable why you'd dislike it :)

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darkdrgn2k:

is it capturecard?

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mkrufky:

but thats usually if i am first sitting down to watch after a long day at work and want my eyes to relax

[17:47:08]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: You should go into a MP chatroom as a different name daily and troll about it. :) Oh, and for a chess plugin

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mkrufky:

i get used to it after a while... it makes sense during certain scenes ,.,.. except when its a tame scene of a dialog and its still all shakey, its just annoying

[17:48:05]

mkrufky:

MP = mplayer ??

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iamlindoro_:

sounds like he's referring to MePo, but maybe I misunderstood

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mkrufky:

oh

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justinh:

mkrufky: mediaportal. once in a while I dip into it to see how it fares

[17:48:49]

mkrufky:

is that for linux? or only windows?

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justinh:

only for windows

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mkrufky:

ok i thought so

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justinh:

the GUI is still clunky too. so what if it has effects if you need a quad core system to make em smooth?

[17:49:43]

mkrufky:

ive been meaning to try sage on linux one day... i hear it works well...

[17:49:51]

gbee:

oh FFS, why isn't this busy popup being displayed :(

[17:49:52]

mkrufky:

i wont stop using myth, tho

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justinh:

mkrufky: sage costs $$ though doesn't it

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mkrufky:

thats why i wont stop using myth :-P

[17:51:47]

mkrufky:

yeah, sage costs money... but i just wanted to try it so that i'd know what other apps are like

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darkdrgn2k:

how do i get my capture cards back after a hsotnaem change.. where do i change it in the db?

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mkrufky:

one day i will... im just lazy now

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justinh:

darkdrgn2k: just change all instances of the old hostname in the database to the new one :)

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iamlindoro_:

darkdrgn2k: You need to dump the database, do a find and replace on the resulting file, and use that file to recreate the DB

[17:52:54]

darkdrgn2k:

hmm not a bad idea...

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darkdrgn2k:

whats the dump command again lol

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justinh:

no need to dump it

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darkdrgn2k:

justinh: then how

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justinh:

UPDATE settings SET hostname="newhostname" WHERE hostname="oldhostname";

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darkdrgn2k:

justinh: i did that.. and i did that in capturecard as well.. but its still not showing up

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justinh:

you did stop the backend first didn't you?

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darkdrgn2k:

its runnin..

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justinh:

changes won't take effect til you restart it

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darkdrgn2k:

hmm

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darkdrgn2k:

even though its stopped?

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Aval0n:

anyone ever seen beardingg with HDMI?

[17:57:33]

darkdrgn2k:

capture cards still not listed

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darkdrgn2k:

and there is no refrence to the old hostname anywhere..

[18:00:18]

darkdrgn2k:

arg.. stupid mysql..

[18:00:53]

justinh:

lesson here is that unplanned hostname changes are bad m'kay

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kormoc:

darkdrgn2k, if it's stopped, how's it running?

[18:01:23]

darkdrgn2k:

kormoc: mysql was nenver stopped it seems.. it was an old database that not sopposed to be used

[18:03:57]

ajh:

ok, this is bloody insane, no matter how this switch is configured, what's on port A is the only visible thing.

[18:07:51]

ajh:

if the channel scanner would remember the last freq and symbol rate used this would be a whole lot less painful

[18:08:23]

darkdrgn2k:

ajh: its easy enough 20000000 :)

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darkdrgn2k:

12224000

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ajh:

yes, but doing it 1000 times is a pain

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darkdrgn2k:

ajh: yes... i know...

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darkdrgn2k:

ajh: make sure your using the right lnb type to :)

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darkdrgn2k:

ajh: can i pm u?

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ajh:

of course.

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Saviq:

guys I'm getting a lot of a/v skew from mplayer in several avis that don't show that behavior elsewhere, I have framedropping enabled, what else do you think can cause that?

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EvilGuru:

I have a VCR with a SCART out that I wish to connect to my PVR-150 (to convert some old family videos to digital). What kind of cables would I be looking at?

[18:17:29]

Saviq:

and it's the same in every movie it happens – 500ms too late...

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justinh:

EvilGuru: SCART to composite & whatever audio connectors are on your pvr150 card. some have RCA(phono) jacks, others have 3.5mm stereo jacks

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justinh:

EvilGuru: unless it's an svhs VCR of course

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EvilGuru:

It has a single 3.5mm

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EvilGuru:

However, all I can find is two S-Video/composite + R and L audio

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EvilGuru:

*too

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justinh:

so buy a 2x RCA to 3.5mm stereo adapter plug then

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justinh:

http://www.digitalpromo.co.uk/images/cl584_exp.jpg

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EvilGuru:

Should I be looking at S-Video or composite? My PVR-150 has both as inputs

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justinh:

EvilGuru: I already said if it's an SVHS VCR, go for svideo

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justinh:

if not, composite

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EvilGuru:

Okay, thanks

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zr0:

anybody had signal quality/strength issues with the hvr-1600?

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TheJuice:

hello

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TheJuice:

i have been having a problem with alsa for a long time

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TheJuice:

like i am not sure what to put for the input

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nitronic`:

TheJuice, the details are overwhelming.

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TheJuice:

i have a bt878

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TheJuice:

card

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TheJuice:

i have tried different things for the audio device

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TheJuice:

like ALSA:default:CARD=Bt878

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TheJuice:

and it doesnt stay and will revert to the last thing there

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kormoc:

not all bt cards will work with that driver

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TheJuice:

its the winfast 2000xp one

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TheJuice:

i had it working a while ago

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TheJuice:

then changed some stuff and i cant get it working again

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TheJuice:

what is the proper format for entering in alsa devices there

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SlicerDicer:

question for you guys

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SlicerDicer:

Encoder 5 is local on fraser-island and is not recording.

[19:00:24]

SlicerDicer:

Encoder 7 is local on fraser-island and is not recording

[19:00:28]

SlicerDicer:

I have 2 tuners :)

[19:00:51]

SlicerDicer:

yet when I look under my status of what encoder it will use to record something...

[19:00:54]

SlicerDicer:

the status is blank?

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SlicerDicer:

is this a issue with mythweb? I have never seen it do this before?

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Saviq:

guys, anyone using VLC to access MythWeb .asx streams?

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Saviq:

I can't get programs with AC3 sound to work :/

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SlicerDicer:

when I try to start a recording its using the wrong tuner too....

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darkdrgn2k:

any one here know anything about poitning antennas for OTA in torotno

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gpd:

I am having issues with lirc – was working fine but now busted after a random reboot (ubuntu gutsy, with upgraded packages)

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TheJuice:

no one here is ansering questions unfortunately

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SlicerDicer:

drat...

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TheJuice:

ik

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SlicerDicer:

kormoc: is there any wiki or something on multiple inputs?

[19:08:04]

SlicerDicer:

kormoc: my thing is going haywire I guess I have something configured wrong? Its attempting to record 5c channels on firewire :/ I dont know how to force them to default to other tuner... and never record on firewire

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SlicerDicer:

likewise how to never record HD on the hauppauge tuner only firewire

[19:08:44]

Hoxzer:

Is there any mytplugin that is activated whenever going to "watch recordings"-menu ?

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Hoxzer:

Wierdly I'm getting segfaults when mythplugins has been installed. My configure options are: --prefix=/usr --disable-mythgame --disable-mythnews --disable-mythphone --disable-mythmusic --disable-mythgallery --disable-mythweather --disable-mythflix --enable-mythmusic --disable-mythzoneminder --disable-mythmovies --disable-mythbrowser

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kormoc:

Hoxzer, -trunk or -fixes?

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Hoxzer:

fixes

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Hoxzer:

0.21

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SlicerDicer:

crap.. I check channel editor and the channels I deleted are back? I have no idea what to do to fix this :/

[19:14:17]

SlicerDicer:

kormoc: I guess I cannot specify different channels for each tuner?

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer, create another line up on SD for another zip code that's close to you?

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SlicerDicer:

there is only 1 zip code sadly

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SlicerDicer:

at least that the cable provider is in

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SlicerDicer:

cableone bites like that

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SlicerDicer:

this is why I had 2 accounts at zap2it :/

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SlicerDicer:

kormoc: sadly there is another zipcode I punched it in however... the listing is greyed out

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kormoc:

hrm

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SlicerDicer:

I am debating if 40$ a year is worth it to me to get 2 accounts to nuke this headache....

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kormoc:

submit a bug to SD then I guess :/

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kormoc:

hrm

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SlicerDicer:

I dont know if many people do what I am doing?

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SlicerDicer:

having the same exact lineup but specify channels for 2 differnet tuners

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directhex:

kormoc, whoops, blame notepad for the extra .txt

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SlicerDicer:

I know that people like J-e-f-f-A or what xris was doing with air2tv or whatever that tuner is would be using two differnet lineups so that would likely not clash like what I am doing right?

[19:30:38]

SlicerDicer:

cause xris would have comcrap and OTA, J-e-f-f-A would have his sat provider and OTA where as I am doing Cableone and Cableone same lineup :)

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SlicerDicer:

xris: btw I am just drawing on what I know you were doing at one time not saying you are now heh

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DaveMorris:

when watching liveTV on my frontends, I can watch it, change the channel once, but if I leave it a few mins myth doesn't respond to any keyboard/remote presses (gnome does though such as Alt + F4) Has anyone else experienced this? I'm using mythtv packages on hardy which are 0.21. MythTV Version : 16838 MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-21-fixes

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SlicerDicer:

I have no idea :)

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Saviq:

hmm I can't find the 'bookmark on exit' option in 0.21 frontend, is it gone?

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SlicerDicer:

kormoc: what I did was created two seperate lineups using the same username/password for SD.. then I specified in the channel editor what channels for each tuner however it keeps adding those channels back? I dont know if thats normal for it or not I would assume what is happening is that when the mythfilldatabase runs it populates those channels back?

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SlicerDicer:

is that a correct assumption?

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

there's likely a way to do it right, I just donno it

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SlicerDicer:

yeah

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SlicerDicer:

ahh well I guess I will just get two subscriptions :)

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SlicerDicer:

not like its that expensive :)

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justinh:

heh Â£50 for my flea-pee-aye-ay board

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Saviq:

has anyone got VLC and mythweb .asx streams with ac3 sound working?

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iamlindoro:

Saviq: All my recordings have AC3 and work their ASX streams work fine out of the box with VLC

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Saviq:

do they have two streams? maybe that's the problem?

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Saviq:

I can't get no sound from either spdif or stereo out :|

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Saviq:

on two windows machines – that may be the problem

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iamlindoro:

Couldn't tell you, they're all 1 audio, 1 video

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Saviq:

:/

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kormoc:

Saviq, asx streaming via mythweb is just sending the raw file over, so as long as vlc can play that format, it should work, there's no magic to it

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a1fa:

i tried to play asx via winamp and it didnt work :(

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Aval0n:

uhg

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Aval0n:

this damn tv is driving me crazy

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Aval0n:

anything I have something that create a horizontal line like a menu bar or a long string of text

[20:08:52]

Aval0n:

I get a shadow all the way to the left and right of it

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Aval0n:

I'm using HDMI in and it does it on the sets internal menu

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Aval0n:

don't by samsung plasmas ppl

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Aval0n:

heh

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SlicerDicer:

why not?

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Aval0n:

well

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SlicerDicer:

I have no problem with my samsung using hdmi

[20:10:41]

Aval0n:

being is this is the 3rd replacement TV in my house

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SlicerDicer:

dvi to hdmi

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Aval0n:

1st tv had diffusion everywhere... 2nd TV did the same.. then they replace with a brand new hp-s5053

[20:11:13]

Aval0n:

screen went out completely

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SlicerDicer:

maybe your xorg.conf is wonky?

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Aval0n:

and now they sent me this brand new hp-t5054

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Aval0n:

and it's doing this shadow shit

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Aval0n:

it does it on every input

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Aval0n:

and on internal menu

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Aval0n:

nothing to do with xorg

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SlicerDicer:

ohh

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Aval0n:

does it in mythtv's menus too

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Aval0n:

it's not a huge deal

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SlicerDicer:

no idea I have no complaint about mine :)

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Aval0n:

but I notice it

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kormoc:

they just don't like you

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SlicerDicer:

thats all I was saying...

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Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

I guess so

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SlicerDicer:

Total Space: 858,438 MB yay :) my resize of jfs worked

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directhex:

does jfs shring as well as grow?

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SlicerDicer:

never cared :)

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SlicerDicer:

JFS is my storage for myth it will not shrink always grow

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SlicerDicer:

directhex there is no way to shrink it I guess from "the googles" answer

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SlicerDicer:

I cannot praise JFS enough though its so rockin

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SlicerDicer:

I love it for mass storage stuff hehe

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directhex:

jfs is garbage, and has eaten my files 3 times

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directhex:

no pressure

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SlicerDicer:

really?

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SlicerDicer:

I have never had JFS act up on me and eat files

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SlicerDicer:

I had one hardcore crash that required me to run a LONG fsck but other than that it was fine... I mean the data was all intact

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SlicerDicer:

was a slight scare but it was robust

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SlicerDicer:

XFS however has been quite mean to me at times

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SlicerDicer:

I supose I should follow distructions and get a UPS

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directhex:

lost all my recordings once (found some in lost+found), had some weird file corruption (reinstalling every single package on the system helped but didn't fix everything) and had a total data loss on a core server at work

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SlicerDicer:

wow

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SlicerDicer:

what caused it?

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codyism:

has anyone gotten mythtv to work with a rotor and been able to scan for channels?

[20:48:01]

SlicerDicer:

was there a power issue or something?

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directhex:

SlicerDicer, on my myth machine, general hatred. on the work machine, no good goddamn reason

[20:49:11]

SlicerDicer:

heh

[20:49:17]

SlicerDicer:

well I have been using JFS for long time

[20:49:42]

SlicerDicer:

I think I started using it back in late 04 on the mythbox?

[20:49:49]

SlicerDicer:

no problems since

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SlicerDicer:

although I did have my ext3 go batshit crazy

[20:50:03]

SlicerDicer:

eat shit all over the place

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directhex:

well, anecdotes are rarely useful in isolation

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directhex:

i've lost data to every FS except (don't laugh) reiser3

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SlicerDicer:

...

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SlicerDicer:

OMG reiser has eaten my shit more than once

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SlicerDicer:

actually directhex I filled a resier to 80% once and the thing became unreadable.. I mean it just FUBARED!!

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SlicerDicer:

that was end of story

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SlicerDicer:

lol

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SlicerDicer:

directhex I guess everybody has had their horror stories with FS ;-)

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directhex:

SlicerDicer, BeFS never ate my files either

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SlicerDicer:

heh

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SlicerDicer:

directhex the JFS has survived 3 power supply detonations

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SlicerDicer:

well ok only 2 exploded but still

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SlicerDicer:

LOL

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SlicerDicer:

and I dont know how many power failures

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SlicerDicer:

or doggies unplugging shit

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J-e-f-f-A-2:

JFS has survived several 'issues' here, whether kernel crashes, power loss, or 'oopsies'.... ;-)

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SlicerDicer:

hello J-e-f-f-A

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hey SlicerDicer ... How you doing today? ;-)

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SlicerDicer:

btw directhex Sat Oct 1, 2005 (11:30 PM)

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SlicerDicer:

thats my oldest recording hehe

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SlicerDicer:

J-e-f-f-A: good except my seperate tuner issues

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SlicerDicer:

got my FS resized and all is good

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J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer: I had some recordings that I converted to 'videos' that were older than that, but recently I made a boo-boo and when setting up a remote frontend, I answered "Yes to all" to delete them from the database (didn't have NFS setup yet on the frontend), and it deleted all my videos...oops...

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SlicerDicer:

lol

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SlicerDicer:

yeah alot of mine are converted to videos

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SlicerDicer:

either that or archived on DVD

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J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer: I'd add another 500GB drive to my raid to bring it up close to 1.5TB, but like an ID10T, I put 'LVM' on top of my 'raid5'... If I can't un-do the LVM, I'll just have to wait until I build my next backend... (within a few months...)

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SlicerDicer:

I archived 90% of Hurricane Katrina footage on DVD.. among others :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer: If you put paper labels on those DVDs, don't expect them to last more than 2 years...

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SlicerDicer:

why not?

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SlicerDicer:

btw I dont put paper labels on

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J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer: I have a dozen DVDs I created 2–3 years ago that are mostly unplayable now-- the adhesive from the label eventually damages the recording lavel...

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J-e-f-f-A:

er... label even...

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SlicerDicer:

actually I store all my ripped dvds in cool dark places

[21:00:21]

SlicerDicer:

ripped dvd or cds

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SlicerDicer:

I got CD's that date back to 2001 that still work :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

I've 'switched' to 'inkjet printable' discs... no adhesive to screw up the recording layer...

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SlicerDicer:

lightscribe ftw

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SlicerDicer:

cant wait till I can use that properly heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer: And I'll bet you've just written on them with sharpies too... (or recently, litescribe)

[21:01:18]

SlicerDicer:

gimmie back my sharpie dude!

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SlicerDicer:

yep sharpie ftw

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** directhex had the forefather for lightscribe **

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directhex:

disct@2

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directhex:

it was like lightscribe, but only worked on unused sections of the data surface

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SlicerDicer:

J-e-f-f-A: nah I dont use lightscribe

[21:01:55]

SlicerDicer:

too expensive for the disks

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SlicerDicer:

I get 100 disk stacks if it aint cheap enough I dont buy it

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J-e-f-f-A:

directhex: That's cool... ;-) I hadn't heard of that, is it still around??? ;-)

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SlicerDicer:

J-e-f-f-A: I have had my lightscribe drive for about 2 years now

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codyism:

can mythtv control a rotor and scan for satellites on its own?

[21:02:50]

SlicerDicer:

and havent used it but once to test to see how images came out haha

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J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer: Yeah, me too. I get printable CD's for $18/100 – and DVD's for something like $25/100... Not too bad – print them on an Epson RX580...

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SlicerDicer:

codyism: hell if I know

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directhex:

J-e-f-f-A, only ever used on one cd drive from yamaha

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SlicerDicer:

codyism: just letting you know somebody was paying attention :)

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** J-e-f-f-A still has his Yahama 40X CD-R in his wintel box... best darn CD-R drive EVER!!!!! 40x audio rip too!!!! **

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SlicerDicer:

directhex I love old yamaha dirt bikes :) indistructible does that count? :)

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directhex:

J-e-f-f-A, f1?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Umm... let me check properties.. (can't remember, it's like 6+ years old now)... one sec...

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J-e-f-f-A:

directhex: "CRW2100E"

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SlicerDicer:

I got a 1972 Yamaha LT2 that fricken rocks! things 10 years older than I am and first kick starts. shifts no problems etc etc :)

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SlicerDicer:

I guess most Yamaha products are pretty good no?

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directhex:

J-e-f-f-A, nope. http://www.yamaha.co.jp/english/product/compu . . . 1/crwf1.html

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J-e-f-f-A:

I just know that I paid like $140 for this drive, which was high for a CD-R at the time, but was not dissapointed at all. Everything it burned worked (never a bad burn with this drive), and the 40x Audio rip kicked but...

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J-e-f-f-A:

directhex: Oh, ok. that's the drive that does the gfx in the un-used data area... Neat. I thought it was software... ;-)

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directhex:

J-e-f-f-A, requires software and compatible drive

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directhex:

supported in nero and cdrecord (nightmarish to use in cdrecord tho)

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J-e-f-f-A:

directhex: Yeah, I'm sure it required software too.. ;-) I was just thinking that perhaps it was a software package that burned another 'session' on the CD, as 'data', that would appear to us humans as graphics... ;-) Makes sense that it needed special hardware though...

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J-e-f-f-A:

directhex: Ya know, physically, my drive looks identical, except my volume knob is beige instead of black...

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J-e-f-f-A:

directhex: Humm... found a japanese page for my drive, then clicked on the "English version" button, and got a page that said "Yamaha has ceased production of all CD-R/RW models. We would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your patronage." --- :-(

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J-e-f-f-A:

directhex: If you can read japanese... http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/computer/prod . . . crw2100.html

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** J-e-f-f-A says – "This is why I still have this drive in my system:" "Unprecedented High Speed Digital Audio Extraction: the Yamaha burner is the first burner (as well as CD or DVDdrive) to feature a digital audio extraction speed of 40x due to the CAV technology. Extracting a 74-minute audio CD can be done in less than 3 minutes." ;-) **

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** J-e-f-f-A says – what a dumb reviewer... This drive was reviewed, and it's only bad ponts were: 1) Noisy 2) Unable to read DVD-Rom <-- Ok, I can understand the "Noisy" comment — after all, the thing is ripping at 40x!!! But "Unable to read DVD-Rom" — WHAT?!? What did the guy expect, it's a CD-R drive!!!! (dumba$$!) **

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justinh:

haha just sold my pvr150 card for more than I bought it for. love ebay sometimes

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** J-e-f-f-A should list his un-used pvr-150 and pvr-350 then... ;-) **

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SlicerDicer:

lol justinh

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Thomas-:

which file in the sourcetree contains the schema version?

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justinh:

dbcheck.cpp for one IIRC

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Thomas-:

thanks

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justinh:

grep is your friend ;)

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Thomas-:

So if the schema is the same version between the backend that is running and the latest svn (0.21-fixes) I could update without recompiling all the frontends at the same time?

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justinh:

in theory yes

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Thomas-:

:)

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keith4_:

i'm putting together a new slim frontend. anyone want to voice an opinion?

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keith4_:

core2duo 2.2, geforce 7150

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neztiti:

hi guys — how i can stop the recordind with the bigging of starting mythtv – i need only when i want

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GreyFoxx:

umnmmmmm What ?

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iamlindoro:

$5 says the question is "How can I stop from recording while viewing Live TV?"

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GreyFoxx:

probably :)

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iamlindoro:

hehe

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neztiti:

GreyFoxx: i need to record only when i want --- i can???

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GreyFoxx:

neztiti: And when is it recording that you don't want it to ?

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keith4_:

it will auto-expire liveTV recordings if you run out of space

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GreyFoxx:

neztiti: Are you talking about mythtv recording LiveTV ?

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neztiti:

GreyFoxx: yes m8

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PatrickDK:

heh, I find it strange when I pause the internal player, context switching goes nuts

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GreyFoxx:

neztiti: Myth will always record LiveTV. But it will remove them automatically after 24 hours or if space is needed for a recording

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neztiti:

ok thank you man

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: Did you get your DVD changer box yet?

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GreyFoxx:

J-e-f-f-A: Yup, it's pretty nifty

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: Noisy bugger when moving DVDs, eh?

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GreyFoxx:

dunno, it's sits in my server area of the basement :)

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a1fa:

anybody want to buy a motorcycle?

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a1fa:

dirt cheap :P

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GreyFoxx:

Not nearly as loud as my tapechanger

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a1fa:

i need to support my RAID habbit

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GreyFoxx:

j-e-

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: Did you write a plugin for it? (I heard somebody did...)

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GreyFoxx:

J-e-f-f-A: Haven't had time to work on it since I did my first tests playing videos from it over the network, but I hope to sit down again soon and get working on proper support for it

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GreyFoxx:

noone has written a plugin for it

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GreyFoxx:

J-e-f-f-A: And no, I plan to integrate it's use into the use of storage groups for accessing remote content (then tie it into mythvideo if someone else doesn't first)

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: I may have the know-how to do one in mythweb (ie html & php), but maybe not a 'real' plugin yet...

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GreyFoxx:

There was a vague plan of allowing mythvideo to stream content using mythbackend and storage groups

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GreyFoxx:

this will be an extension of that

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: I'd love to see MythArchive have an option to build a queue, and tell it to write it on the disc in slot #5... etc...

[22:20:51]

GreyFoxx:

Oh, I have no plan to touch anything liek that

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GreyFoxx:

I am working on supporting remote streaming, and mytharchive is local only

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J-e-f-f-A:

It'd be great for 'bulk archiving'... ;-)

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GreyFoxx:

Then someone else will need to work on it :)

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GreyFoxx:

cause mine will remain plugged into a backend in my basement :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Anyone here familiar with "Imedia MythTV" distribution?

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: how many servers have you got in your basement?

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: I dunno, looks scammish to me

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: "Zero CPU utilisation for full screen MPEG playback on VIA boards"

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J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: I've only got 1 *running*... several others are in various 'parts piles'... ;-) (although I do run a 2nd test one from time to time...;-) )

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: riiiiiight, that's a pretty BS explanation of XvMC

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GreyFoxx:

dustybin: 3 on all the time, 1 I turn on as needed

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Well, I'm trying it out on my Asus Pundit P2... Since I wasn't that succesfull getting fc6 to work on it – video drivers didn't behave at all for some reason...

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dustybin:

aye ok

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: In looking at their feature list, they appear to heavily favor VIA hardware

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Well, everything in the Pundit is via, except for the cpu... Unichrome graphics, via southbridge, via nortbridge, etc...

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** directhex is sleepy **

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: No interest in trying one of the more standard/well established Myth distros a la Mythbuntu?

[22:28:00]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: ah, I see

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dustybin:

a minimal gentoo install makes a nice distro for mythtv

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: I tried a couple, and couldn't seem to get the via gfx working in accelerated mode... so even sdtv was painful... I'm hoping this distribution will at least play sdtv fine, perhaps even HDTV... It's a Semperon 3000+ processor, so it might, with XVMC accelration...

[22:30:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: I don't expect it to play mpeg4, but ATSC 720p would be nice...

[22:30:35]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: Yeah. well hey, worth a shot I guess

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** iamlindoro recommends "Three Sheets" on Mojo HD for anyone interested in Travel+Drinking, BTW **

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dustybin:

anybody know where i can get some nice looking terminal fonts?

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: How are you changing discs now – just with the MTX commands from a shell prompt?

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GreyFoxx:

J-e-f-f-A: Yes, and I'll basically have mythbackend call mtx for changes. At least at the start with a configurable gui to customize the commands as needed

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timo:

hi guys please help whats with this error ?" DVBChan(2) Error: Opening DVB frontend device failed."

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TelnetManta:

anyone had core dumps with the latest fixes while scanning channels?

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iamlindoro:

timo: Your card you're trying to open isn't there or you don't have permissions to it

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dustybin:

now this is what i call a nice terminal font: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mloskot/1812485011/sizes/o/

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J-e-f-f-A:

timo: Probably a permissions issue... check your /dev/dvb* device permissions...

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GreyFoxx:

TelnetManta: I've heard people say it's might be related to multicore processors

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GreyFoxx:

and they use a command to limit mythtv-setup to 1 core

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timo:

didnt have this before, all i did was move house.

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GreyFoxx:

and then the scan completes

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GreyFoxx:

haven't tested it myself though

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TelnetManta:

yeah, on my C2D it was the problem but this is on a P4

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iamlindoro:

timo: Another possibility is that you have multiple tuner cards and don't have udev rules set up

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iamlindoro:

timo in which case they come up in a different numbering and mythtv no longer finds then were it expects...

[22:39:01]

iamlindoro:

er where

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timo:

lam it says its owned by root

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J-e-f-f-A:

dustybin: yeah, a nice bit-mapped font, not a scaled, looks crappy at 8-point font... ;-)

[22:39:26]

TelnetManta:

it core dumped on a tuned scan... I went back in and scanned existing transports and it seems to be going for now.

[22:39:48]

timo:

http://pastebin.com/m67abc734

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timo:

i also have no recordings any more

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timo:

but they are on the hard drive... guys ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Humm... this distribution doesn't seem to like my asus pundit... Machine POSTs, but then just a blank screen and the HDD led on... no cursor, no alternate shells... So, looks like "Imedia Linux MythTV" is toast on an Asus Pundit 2...

[22:43:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

timo: Sounds like your database is damaged — have you checked it in mysql?

[22:44:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

timo: Did you login as the proper user????

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timo:

jeffa yes i did

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timo:

im going to cheack and restart mysql

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timo:

DVBChan(2) Error: Opening DVB frontend device failed.

[22:48:27]

timo:

mythweb says http://pastebin.com/m74fad92a

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J-e-f-f-A:

timo: But if your recordings are also 'gone', then you've got bigger troubles I would think...

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timo:

J-e-f-f-A: i can see them on the hard drive

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J-e-f-f-A:

timo: I understand that, but MythTV keeps a list of the files, and what they are, in a database – mythconverg — if that's damaged, then myth won't 'see' them...

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timo:

repair the database ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

timo: try running 'optimize_mythdb.pl" and see if it finds anything wrong...

[22:52:17]

timo:

optimize_mythdb.pl: command not found

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timo:

i can use my php to do this

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timo:

ok i have now http://pastebin.com/m6489aa9d

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J-e-f-f-A:

timo: it's in the contrib directory... You'll have to fully-qualify the filename, ie: mine is in /home/mythtv/svn/mythtv/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl ...

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timo:

im runiing locate optimize_mythdb.pl

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timo:

its traking time

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timo:

found it here /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl

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J-e-f-f-A:

timo: humm... doesn't look like all the tables are listed there... What version of mythtv? (oh, thought that was your output of the optimize job)

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timo:

it is

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J-e-f-f-A:

timo: See, it should look more like this: http://pastebin.com/m411b27d9 <-- (And hopefully with some tables being repaired...)

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timo:

could it be a hardware issue9 all i have done is move house ?

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timo:

do i have to be root to run "/usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl

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timo:

"

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J-e-f-f-A:

timo: depends on how you've got your system setup — as the user you run the mythtv backend as should be sufficient...

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Humm... like I said, no luck with this distribution (must be TOO specific for VIA stuff...) Any reccommendations for this Asus Pundit P2?

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timo:

how can i see the mythtv groups ?

[23:01:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: humm... haven't looked at 'minimyth' in a while... wonder if it will work... ;-)

[23:01:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

timo: What ID do you have setup, that you login as to run mythtv? is it just 'mythtv'?

[23:03:05]

timo:

J-e-f-f-A: your a start it was the tables on the mythcoverage i repaird it all all is fine now, thank you.

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timo:

gd night

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J-e-f-f-A:

timo: Good to hear... ;-)

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: Can't hurt to try, I guess. justinh knows a bit about it, I think, you might ask him.

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Humm. diskless only? that would be a truely silent frontend... ;-) .

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** J-e-f-f-A considers minimyth with a 2gb flash card... ;-) **

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justinh:

I stopped using minimyth cos my flea-pee-aye-ay wasn't up to it but now I have a _real_ frontend it'd be worth considering

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justinh:

only thing is it doesn't quite have all the kernel modules I need. no lan module for one thing. duh

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Dibblah:

I use all netbooted frontends.

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Do you think an Asus Pundit P2 with a Semperon 3000 would be up to the task?

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: don't bother asking me

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Dibblah:

Works quite well.

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J-e-f-f-A:

rotfl!

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justinh:

I'm possibly the least knowledgeable person here regarding CPUs & crap

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justinh:

but sempron – looks like an anagram of 'oh it's from AMD so it sucks'

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dibblah: So, since pxe needs dhcp, does that mean I turn off dhcp in my router, and use my myth server to assign dhcp addresses?

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Dibblah:

Why?

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: unless your router can allocate dhcp by mac address

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Dibblah:

Just set the options in your router.

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Yeah, in my book 'Semperon' ~= 'Celeron'... even the names rhyme...

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: I got a 2nd user c2d cpu & a motherboard with a chipped sata connector on ebay for way under Â£100 last year. bargain!

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dibblah: Ok, so I give the pundit a static dhcp in the router, then configure my backend's tftp server for that ip?

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justinh:

plays h.264 HD just fine with multithreaded mplayer

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Dibblah:

dhcp-boot=loader/pxelinux.0,hub,192.168.0.2

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Dibblah:

And another line is required.

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justinh:

Dibblah: you read about Sky disabling component out on their hd boxes?

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Dibblah:

No – But not all that interesting to me.

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justinh:

I think it's mildly amusing

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: that's crazy! Are they afraid of that Hauppauge HD capture card?

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Dibblah:

Virgin cracking down on pirates is quite fun, though.

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: they're afraid of something it seems

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justinh:

might set a precedent among all the Murdoch owned companies

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dibblah: I dabbled with a netboot setup a year or two ago, but didn't get it working 100%... It downloaded the initrd, but then didn't get past that. Had too much other stuff going on, so I just put a HDD in the box... :-(

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justinh:

it's easy enough to get working but I wouldn't know where to start with a router

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justinh:

having one which runs that open source stuff (linux?) would be essential I'd bet

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J-e-f-f-A:

My router is a Trendnet Wirless N Gigabit...

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justinh:

my router has many options for dhcp. you can turn it on & off AND you can select the range of addresses it can give out!

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Yeah, mine too... and assign specific ips by mac address, etc. Standard stuff for most routers nowadays...

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Dibblah:

I run openWRT on my wgt634u, so... It's pretty much open.

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fufldufl:

hi. i'm runnin' mythbuntu and have been recording and watching for a few months. i note that the time recordings start and stop is drifting slightly from the real programming times (gets progressively earlier). the system time is correct, though. what could be causing this problem? and how could i bring mythtv back into sync with the correct time?

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justinh:

I bought my befsr41 before broadband was even a term in common knowledge in the UK

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J-e-f-f-A:

fufldufl: setup ntp on your backend server... if that's not it, then your provider's time clock is the one drifting...

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fufldufl:

hmmm. i've got ntp installed

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fufldufl:

when i sync with ntpdate, it seems to have no effect on this problem

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J-e-f-f-A:

fufldufl: Is it successful in syncing the time?

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fufldufl:

yes

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fufldufl:

the system time is correct

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J-e-f-f-A:

fufldufl: Then it sounds like it's time to complain to your provider...

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fufldufl:

cable provider? the programs do start correctly according to time

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J-e-f-f-A:

fufldufl: What version of myth are you running?

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fufldufl:

just a sec. gotta check

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moh:

I'm trying to use the PVR350 for video out. It seems that the audio isn't being looped back through my sound card as promised. Anything I should check?

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moh:

I don't have that "TV audio through PVR-350 only" box checked in the TV playback setup.

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fufldufl:

how do i get version? mythtv --version doesn't do it

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GreyFoxx:

mythfrontend --version

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J-e-f-f-A:

moh: Well, I don't use the tvout of my pvr-350, but logic would suggest that the above setting not being checked would send it to myth's default output device, probably your sound card's line output.

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Dibblah:

moh: Audio only outputs through the PVR350, I think.

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Dibblah:

(If you're using the 350 mpeg decoder)

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Solarbaby:

Library API version : 0.20.20070821–1

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Solarbaby:

Source code version : 14283

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Solarbaby:

looks like mines old

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moh:

Strange. And confusing, based on what the frontend setup says.

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moh:

I guess I can loop it back myself...

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fufldufl:

release-0–21

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fufldufl:

somehow mythtv has gotten out of sync with system time, it seems to me

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fufldufl:

seems like what i need to do is to somehow resync it with system time

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J-e-f-f-A:

fufldufl: Well, if it's not recording, bounce it... for Fedora, you'd do "/sbin/service mythbackend restart"...

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fufldufl:

k. i can try that. but the lack of synchronization seems to survive across reboots. and it gets progressively worse (further from system time)

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J-e-f-f-A:

fufldufl: Ok, then bouncing the backend isn't going to do anything...

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J-e-f-f-A:

(a re-boot would do the same thing... )

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fufldufl:

yeah. that's what i thought

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J-e-f-f-A:

fufldufl: I'm not aware of any issues along those lines, but you may want to consider 0.21-fixes ....

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justinh:

fufldufl: how are you for disk space?

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fufldufl:

is mythtv supposed to check system time occassionaly and update itself?

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justinh:

might be that you don't have enough free space for all the new recordings & older ones aren't being deleted in time

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: ^^^ Good point — but he's saying they're starting progressively EARLY... seems they'd be late if that were the case...

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justinh:

I thought he was saying that they start on time but end early

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iamlindoro:

I'll put some money on hwclock and date not matching

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fufldufl:

i got alot of disk space. myth and the root filesystem are on an 80 GB drive that's only about 15% full. i've got the recordings going onto a 160 GB secondary drive (mounted under /var/lib/mythtv)

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Yeah, but re-booting should have re-synced the two...

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fufldufl:

yeah. recording start early and end early

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iamlindoro:

fufldufl: run "hwclock" and "date" and compare. Also report on whether you over/underclock the CPU or bus

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J-e-f-f-A:

fufldufl: Hey – do you overclock your system perhaps????

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J-e-f-f-A:

^^^ exactly....

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fufldufl:

no overclocking here. just an old P4 2 Ghz

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J-e-f-f-A:

fufldufl: Check your clocks pe iamlindoro's instructions above ^^^

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iamlindoro:

hwclock/date please...

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iamlindoro:

report any significant difference > a few seconds

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fufldufl:

Sun 13 Apr 2008 06:47:01 PM CDT -0.115050 seconds

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** iamlindoro gives up on anyone following directions **

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fufldufl:

hwclock and date show the same info

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iamlindoro:

No they don't, but if they match that's good.

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fufldufl:

except date gives military time

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fufldufl:

yeah. they match

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fufldufl:

it's like mythtv is falling outa touch with system time somehow, huh?

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iamlindoro:

Well, those are the times that Myth uses to start recordings, sooooo... I'm back to blaming your provider, myself.

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J-e-f-f-A:

fufldufl: and/or your ntp provider — what ntp site are you synced to?

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TelnetManta:

Guys, how can I delete and input? There used to be a delete option didnt there?

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iamlindoro:

TelnetManta: Do you mean delete a capture card? There always has been and still is-- highlight the card in mythtv-setup, press D.

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iamlindoro:

TelnetManta: But you can't delete an individual input off a card

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fufldufl:

but let's say programs start at the correct time according to my other computer's clock (which syncs regularly using ntpdate)

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TelnetManta:

nah, I meant an input

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fufldufl:

could it still have to do with the provider?

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iamlindoro:

AFAIK anyway

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TelnetManta:

okay, maybe I can rename via mysql

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fufldufl:

i guess i just need to check this more carefully. i'll put on some live tv and see how programs start and end according to my computer's clock

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fufldufl:

off for more testing . . .

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fufldufl:

thanks for the input

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J-e-f-f-A:

fufldufl: Good luck... ;-)

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nevyn:

J-e-f-f-A: Yay my rebuild finished.

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J-e-f-f-A:

nevyn: cool. ;-)

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