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Saturday, April 12th, 2008, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:36] SlicerDicer: I just want to know about setting up multiple tuners
[00:01:41] SlicerDicer: I have my HD firewire tuner thing
[00:01:48] kormoc: it's the same as zap2it
[00:01:50] SlicerDicer: and my hauppauge
[00:02:00] SlicerDicer: kormoc: I had 2 seperate lineups with zap2it
[00:02:12] CyberKnet: I have two lineups with Schedules Direct
[00:02:15] kormoc: you can have 2 seperate lineups with SD
[00:02:47] SlicerDicer: alright
[00:03:22] ** CyberKnet ponders how to configure Xorg for his HDTV over the DVI output on his video card **
[00:03:24] SlicerDicer: kormoc: I cant select the same lineup?
[00:03:35] kormoc: why would you?
[00:03:38] SlicerDicer: kormoc: the Cableone -Digital is all darkened out
[00:03:44] SlicerDicer: kormoc: cause its identical lineup
[00:03:52] SlicerDicer: just some channels have 5C some dont
[00:04:01] kormoc: if it's identical, just set both to use the same source
[00:04:02] SlicerDicer: and I need to specify channels for each tuner
[00:04:09] Anduin: SlicerDicer: MythTV now caches the data, you don't need two SD lineups it channel selection is the only difference.
[00:04:20] SlicerDicer: alright
[00:04:28] SlicerDicer: well I had issues with older versions of myth doing tha
[00:04:45] Anduin: Not the new channels problem?
[00:06:02] CyberKnet: Does anyone here drive their HDTV over DVI?
[00:06:20] kormoc: Aye
[00:06:20] SlicerDicer: tyes
[00:06:35] kormoc: my tv overscans the hdmi, so that sucks
[00:06:57] CyberKnet: Is the DVI output on your card the primary or secondary output?
[00:07:11] kormoc: could be eather
[00:07:25] kormoc: Nvidia cards allow both ways
[00:07:39] CyberKnet: It auto detects?
[00:07:41] kormoc: but given it's my only output, it's my primary
[00:07:59] kormoc: it attempts to, aye
[00:08:03] CyberKnet: Hmmmm
[00:08:09] kormoc: I have mine explicitly set, but that's just cause I'm anal
[00:08:13] CyberKnet: So I don't have to worry about running dual head.
[00:08:46] CyberKnet: Do you send your TV a 1080p resolution?
[00:09:25] kormoc: 1380x768
[00:09:45] kormoc: it's a 720p set
[00:10:08] CyberKnet: Trying to figure out how I should have X configured is all
[00:10:17] CyberKnet: I have the manual for my TV here, but details are sparse
[00:10:21] jimbalaya: is there a way to force mythtv to rebuild the mythmusic database? ... maybe remove 'mythmusic' package, delete that portion of the DB, install 'mythmusic' package, and run mythfrontend .........
[00:10:27] iamlindoro: nvidia-xconfig ftw
[00:10:45] kormoc: jimbalaya, truncate the music table?
[00:10:57] CyberKnet: Hmm... I'll try that
[00:11:34] jimbalaya: i'm probably getting too deep – i can barely log in to the DB via mysqladmin :-/
[00:11:41] CyberKnet: iamlindoro: is that supposed to throw a GUI?
[00:12:27] iamlindoro: nope
[00:12:42] iamlindoro: just generates an xorg.conf based on EDID and your cards capabilities
[00:12:51] CyberKnet: aaaah
[00:12:54] CyberKnet: that I didn't know
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[00:15:31] CyberKnet: Would I expect to see that write out any mode lines, or just to get the HorizSync and VertRefresh?
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[00:16:02] iamlindoro: If you're using DVI and your display has EDID you don't need modelines
[00:16:23] CyberKnet: I'm not sure if my display has EDID
[00:16:33] CyberKnet: but I'm also not sure then how I would specify the resolution
[00:17:04] kormoc: in the display section?
[00:17:13] iamlindoro: assuming you ran nvidia-xconfig and it worked, all of that was already done for you anywy
[00:17:51] kormoc: CyberKnet, https://www.kormoc.com/stuff/xorg.conf
[00:17:54] kormoc: example one for ya
[00:18:05] kormoc: whoops, wrong one...
[00:18:13] CyberKnet: when I had an existing config, it didn't change it
[00:18:29] CyberKnet: I removed the config and ran it, and it did put out a bare-bones config
[00:18:56] kormoc: CyberKnet, there, ya go, example config file
[00:19:19] SlicerDicer: my display has all kinda overscan problems
[00:19:22] SlicerDicer: stupid stuff
[00:19:23] ShiftyPowers: ok so i managed to recompile mythfrontend and it works, the only issue now is that sound doesn't work
[00:19:36] ShiftyPowers: i get this error message, fack "AudioOutput Error: snd_pcm_open(default): No such file or directory"
[00:19:46] SlicerDicer: kormoc: I just resized mythfrontend to fit
[00:20:27] SlicerDicer: and had to run a blank gnome without bars and nuke the background heh
[00:22:05] CyberKnet: D'oh. No sync signal
[00:23:51] CyberKnet: hmmm... failed to initialize GLX
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[00:27:29] Raspberry: has anybody here run MythTV on a Dell XPS One system?
[00:27:55] Raspberry: I just setup my first "XPS One" for a customer and they're actually really slick
[00:27:55] iamlindoro: Holy Specific Subset of a specific subset of a specific subset of MythTV users, Batman
[00:28:16] Raspberry: I was thinking ... how can I spend $1400 on a computer that I could install MythTV on :P
[00:28:46] CyberKnet: Hmmmm.... sync error was a mouse input error
[00:29:47] iamlindoro: Raspberry: Most Myth users wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole w/ integrated ATI graphics
[00:30:07] iamlindoro: At the same price you can get a 32 inch LCD and a Mac Mini which is perfect Myth hardware
[00:30:22] CyberKnet: fixed that, but now another sync error.
[00:30:45] CyberKnet: and apparently the video card is displaying something.
[00:31:08] Raspberry: iamlindoro yeah, that's the crappy part the ATI graphics
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[00:33:13] CyberKnet: hah!
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[00:33:33] CyberKnet: because it was outputting over DVI and not the SVIDEO I had it set to :)
[00:33:34] CyberKnet: *grin*
[00:33:43] SlicerDicer: kormoc: very nice with channel lineup :)
[00:33:44] CyberKnet: wow. that is SO sharp.
[00:33:45] SlicerDicer: worked well
[00:34:08] CyberKnet: that's amazing.
[00:34:33] CyberKnet: slow as all get-out to load though
[00:35:59] CyberKnet: hmm... myth pre-scaled the images, but then nothing shows up
[00:36:39] CyberKnet: any ideas? I just see the background image.
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[00:39:49] J-e-f-f-A: kormoc: If you're around — thanks for helping me with my raid last-night... I was able to recover it successfully...
[00:40:05] kormoc: snazzy!
[00:40:28] kormoc: Glad to have helped with saving the starving data :)
[00:41:46] J-e-f-f-A: kormoc: I need to seriously get my system disk mirrored, and take another look at my 'recovery' strategy...
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[00:42:02] ** J-e-f-f-A wishes he could afford a LTOIII drive... **
[00:42:12] CyberKnet: bbiaf
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[00:46:36] SlicerDicer: kormoc: any idea what would cause a firewire cablebox not to showup via guid?
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[00:46:47] kormoc: SlicerDicer, sorry, alas, I do not
[00:47:09] directhex: permissions on /dev/*1394
[00:47:28] SlicerDicer: 777 em :)
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[00:50:16] hiphophippotamus: is there a way to set a parental levle for an entire directory in mythvideo?
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[01:15:00] CyberKnet: stupid windows machine booted its self automatically for a patch
[01:15:12] Ra^: disable it
[01:15:15] J-e-f-f-A: CyberKnet: There'
[01:15:32] J-e-f-f-A: ... there's a registry hack to disable that... ^^^ exactly...
[01:16:00] J-e-f-f-A: ... Although the better way to disable it would be to install Linux!  ;-)
[01:16:27] Ra^: even *nix occasionally requires updates/reboots :(
[01:16:37] Ra^: but (thankfully) FAR less often
[01:16:57] J-e-f-f-A: Ra^ — and it doesn't force an automatic reboot by default...
[01:17:01] CyberKnet: J-e-f-f-A: Old, very cheap laptop, very unlikely it would have all the required drivers
[01:17:30] CyberKnet: Seems like maybe the menu isn't being painted because of OpenGL somehow being messed up?
[01:17:40] CyberKnet: kormoc: Do you use the OpenGL or QT painter?
[01:17:58] iamlindoro: so start w/ mythfrontend -O Themepainter=qt and fix it
[01:18:04] iamlindoro: er ThemePainter
[01:18:12] CyberKnet: iamlindoro: I did, switched back to the QT ThemePainter
[01:18:25] CyberKnet: that's why I think OpenGL must be messed up somehow
[01:20:27] kormoc: CyberKnet, qt
[01:20:38] CyberKnet: Aaaah, I do remember seeing something about glx not loading properly
[01:21:08] CyberKnet: kormoc: I see. I got much better performance out of the OpenGL painter.
[01:21:28] CyberKnet: kormoc: what theme do you use... one of the widescreen themes?
[01:21:53] kormoc: CyberKnet, G.A.N.T
[01:21:57] kormoc: I'm a sucker for it :P
[01:22:15] kormoc: Ra^, you could just use kexec to update the kernel and the like without rebooting :P
[01:22:42] Ra^: I haven't tried hot swapping a kernel since they first came up with that method
[01:22:52] Ra^: didn't realize they had a utility out to do it, now
[01:23:33] kormoc: Ra^, yeah, it works well enough, but really, not too much point to it :)
[01:23:46] kormoc: Thomas-, if uptime really really matters...
[01:23:46] Ra^: true, but at least it can be done
[01:24:00] Ra^: whenever I get it up, I like to keep it up ;)
[01:24:06] Ra^: oh, upTIME. Sorry
[01:24:15] kormoc: heh
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[01:25:53] J-e-f-f-A: kormoc: BTW – I know I said I was going to bed last-night while the raid re-built, but I stayed up until it finished — about 1:45am... (oops...) It was hard to get up this morning at 7:00...
[01:26:06] kormoc: Hehe :)
[01:26:09] CyberKnet: kormoc: Do you get a lot of overscan with your DVI->HDMI cable?
[01:26:32] kormoc: CyberKnet, if I use the hdmi, aye, I get around 10% overscan
[01:27:55] CyberKnet: I tried the screen setup in myth options, but that didn't seem to work like I thought
[01:28:08] CyberKnet: I moved the arrows to the right place, but it didn't move the window right and down
[01:28:11] CyberKnet: so it was still wrong
[01:28:24] CyberKnet: it just changed the window size
[01:30:57] kormoc: I just use the dvi input and don't get the overscan that way
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[01:31:39] CyberKnet: I don't have a DVI input unfortunately
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[01:44:30] CyberKnet: kormoc: do you use XvMC?
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[01:45:33] kormoc: negative
[01:45:38] SlicerDicer: argh would anybody be able to help me understand why I cant set my v4l2-ctl and get it to stick on the input I specify?
[01:45:44] SlicerDicer: nor is mythtv-setup sticking on that input
[01:45:48] SlicerDicer: keeps reverting to composite 3
[01:45:58] SlicerDicer: making me want to stab the computer
[01:47:31] iamlindoro: SlicerDicer: It'll go to whatever input you have associated listings with in mythtv-setup
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[01:48:02] SlicerDicer: iamlindoro yep try to change that and it goes stupid too
[01:48:41] iamlindoro: That is nowhere near specific enough for anyone to help you
[01:48:58] SlicerDicer: errr
[01:49:31] SlicerDicer: it reverts if i try to use that too
[01:50:00] iamlindoro: SlicerDicer: What reverts? What's "that"? What *specifically* are you doing and what is the result in Mythtv
[01:50:09] ** kormoc blinks **
[01:50:10] SlicerDicer: look agove at my comments
[01:50:19] SlicerDicer: I said I try to set it to the input I specify
[01:50:22] kormoc: SlicerDicer, you might want to check dmesg and see if it's outputting anything
[01:50:27] SlicerDicer: it keeps reverting to composite 3
[01:50:32] SlicerDicer: how is that hard to understand?!
[01:50:40] SlicerDicer: alright kormoc
[01:50:49] dustybin: http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id; . . . ;;fpid;;pf;1
[01:50:56] iamlindoro: SlicerDicer: Well, I guess I just saved myself the time of helping fix your problem then
[01:50:58] SlicerDicer: nothing output to dmesg kormoc
[01:51:15] SlicerDicer: iamlindoro no problem :)
[01:51:37] iamlindoro: yup, rudeness always simplifies my life
[01:52:11] kormoc: iamlindoro, to be fair, he did explain his problem, you just didn't keep up
[01:52:30] kormoc: SlicerDicer, I'd try a different v4l driver version/kernel version
[01:52:34] SlicerDicer: alright
[01:52:40] iamlindoro: kormoc: I read what he said fine, It's not my fault it wasn't specific enough to make any sense
[01:52:50] kormoc: iamlindoro, it made sense to me
[01:52:51] ** kormoc shrugs **
[01:53:54] CyberKnet: communication mishaps aside, rudeness will never get you anywhere...
[01:55:04] SlicerDicer: CyberKnet: I dont like typing things out repeatedly sorry :/
[01:56:30] CyberKnet: SlicerDicer: You're entitled to not like it... and even to express that however you like.
[01:56:50] CyberKnet: SlicerDicer: However, if you want people to help you... I'd personally suggest you express it nicely.
[01:57:30] CyberKnet: SlicerDicer: but that's just a suggestion. I'm not trying to tell you how you should feel or react.
[01:58:23] SlicerDicer: I knew of no other way to explain my problem that would make it simple the first time he responded by saying mythtv-setup is what it pulls on.. yet clearly I had written something about mythtv-setup same reverting. Not to be mean
[01:58:44] iamlindoro: SlicerDicer: Since MythTV won't even open an input that doesn't have listings associated with it, There *must* be a misconfiguration in mythtv-setup. That is/was precisely my point. For it to "revert" as you say, there has to be a listing on the input, at least as far as myth. Now, if you mean it's trying to open the input that has no listings and failing to start LiveTV at all, that's one thing. If somehow the DB values a
[01:59:03] SlicerDicer: livetv does not fail
[01:59:05] SlicerDicer: there is sound no video
[01:59:10] SlicerDicer: due to it being on the wrong input
[01:59:25] SlicerDicer: it reverts to composite 3 everytime
[01:59:39] SlicerDicer: my HD works fine however
[02:00:52] SlicerDicer: I can manually set the svideo-1 input via v4l2-ctl.. once doing so I can output the /dev/video0 to a mpg file or run it straight live with mplayer
[02:01:05] SlicerDicer: however it keeps reverting somehow after a few mins
[02:01:45] SlicerDicer: likely it is what kormoc said needing to change my ivtv driver and kernel :)
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[02:09:14] SlicerDicer: kormoc: I found the issue.. no idea why it happened maybe you know? I went in and removed the channels from the lineup that I did not need in mythtv-setup.. I got 2 different listings one for each tuner and they reverted back to having hd channels. I can only assume it tried to activate a HD channel on the hauppauge and is failing
[02:09:36] SlicerDicer: or am I doing this wrong on how I setup the tuners?
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[02:34:50] CyberKnet: AHA!
[02:35:15] CyberKnet: I found an option in the TV menu that removes the overscan
[02:35:21] CyberKnet: w00t
[02:47:06] dustybin: im in the process of turning off USB AUTOSUSPEND in my kernel menu config, does this look like the feature i need to turn off:
[02:47:10] dustybin: [*] USB selective suspend/resume and wakeup (EXPERIMENTAL)
[02:48:16] mikeones: what distor?
[02:49:49] dustybin: debian
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[03:06:43] mikeones: don't know about that
[03:07:40] mikeones: if I want to stop a mythtranscode and a user job, can I just delete the recording or do I have to kill the process also?
[03:07:47] ** mikeones not near the FE now **
[03:14:28] naeo-: Any solutions for the problem that occurs when scanning channels(or importing channels.conf) ? When i start it mythfrontend aborts with error: " ASSERT failure in QWidget: "Widgets must be created in the GUI thread.", file kernel/qwidget.cpp, line 951" . I tried making distclean (and clearing the installed .so's) and disabling mythphone when doing configure
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[03:24:23] Anduin: naeo-: There are a few of those remaining in trunk, search for a ticket, if you can't find a duplicate, make a new one.
[03:25:15] naeo-: bah
[03:25:48] naeo-: Was hoping there were someone who knew what I could do to just get rid of that thing..
[03:26:25] Anduin: The channel scanner needs work, even in the 0.21 release.
[03:27:00] naeo-: Heh.. I had it working for a while in my last svn build
[03:27:29] naeo-: Atleast importing channels.conf worked... channel scan didnt
[03:27:38] iamlindoro: naeo-: you could try using the opengl painter (mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=opengl) in the meanwhile, but do file the bug in the end
[03:27:50] naeo-: bug is already filed
[03:27:54] naeo-: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/327408
[03:28:14] naeo-: I believe i'm already using the opengl painter
[03:28:25] naeo-: brb, will check other pc
[03:28:31] iamlindoro: ah, this is a different one than the one I was thinking of
[03:32:40] naeo-: Tried it anyway
[03:32:42] naeo-: didnt work
[03:32:51] naeo-: I did notice another error tho
[03:33:17] naeo-: 2008-04–12 05:31:47.157 DVBSM(1), Warning: Can not count Uncorrected Blocks
[03:33:17] naeo-: eno: Operation not supported (95)
[03:33:17] naeo-: ASSERT failure in QWidget: "Widgets must be created in the GUI thread.", file kernel/qwidget.cpp, line 951
[03:33:17] naeo-: Aborted (core dumped)
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[03:49:23] ajh: ok, when you have more than one dvb-s card I assume you need to set them all up with one input going to each switch port?
[03:49:50] ajh: having some issues and just need to confirm my assumptions.
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[03:50:54] ajh: so you would end up with card 1 – port 1–4 then card 2 – port 1–4 (assuming 2 dual lnb)
[03:51:04] naeo-: I'm no expert but I think you should choose switch instead of LNB when creating the input (then you can add the lnb's and configure the switch)
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[03:52:32] ajh: yes, it's a Diseqc switch with 4 ports with LNB on them
[03:53:05] ajh: I have 3 DVB cards in the backend, I'm just wanting to confirm they all can be configured to see all 4 ports
[03:54:01] naeo-: I don't see why not :-]
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[03:55:35] ajh: then, does each DVBINput ## need to have it's own input group?
[03:56:17] ajh: I'm thinking no, since each card can only be tuned to a single transponder at one time.
[03:58:22] ajh: the only other thing I'm confused about is if I should be setting 2 of the diseqc ports to generate 22kHz or not.
[03:59:23] ajh: sorry, that's not the only thing, I'm wondering if I need to channel scan every single input
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[04:01:47] ajh: argh, still seeiing crap for signal strength on one port on the switch
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[04:07:07] ajh: ok, I"m really confused now, I'm getting good signal on port 1 and 3 but 2 and 4 are low, could that be because the cable for 2 and 4 should be on 3/4 and tone on?
[04:08:32] naeo-: wish I could help you buddy..:-(
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[04:11:33] ajh: yeah, most of this is very undocumented at the moment.
[04:12:24] naeo-: Heh. Took me 6 hours before I could get sat tv to work
[04:13:04] ajh: it's just this switch.
[04:13:28] ajh: I'm thinking I don't need all 4 ports configured.
[04:14:34] ajh: since I seem to see both birds just on port 1 and 3 on each card.
[04:14:41] naeo-: Well – If I understand you (And how mythtv works) you should have a setup like this: input0 = switch(LNB,LNB,LNB,LNB) – input1 = switch(LNB,LNB,LNB,LNB) – input2 = switch(LNB,LNB,LNB,LNB)
[04:15:04] naeo-: The switch configuration should be same on all inputs ( I THINK ! )
[04:15:25] ajh: The switch part yes, I'm at confguring dvbinputs that's the next step
[04:16:19] ajh: I'm wondering if I only need one input per lnb or one per polarity
[04:16:49] ajh: since when I configure one per lnb input I only get signal on 2 of 4.
[04:17:23] naeo-: hum :-/
[04:17:45] ajh: yeah, I'm very confused... and moving around which cable is where on the switch inputs doesn't seem to alter things.
[04:18:12] naeo-: Maybe you should try play around with scan
[04:18:21] ajh: that's what I've been doing.
[04:18:42] ajh: but I wish I could find someone who really understands how these things work.
[04:18:42] naeo-: Then I have no idea
[04:18:48] naeo-: Heh
[04:19:06] naeo-: I wish the QWidget bug will be fixed soon
[04:19:40] naeo-: myth keeps dying on me when i'm importing an updated channels.conf
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[04:26:21] rushfan: If you have an nvidia card (I have an 8600 GT) is it advisable to enable OpenGL vertical sync for timing?
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[04:30:10] ajh: ugh, back to not seeing left circulars
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[04:32:28] emcnabb: anyone know how to prevent MythMusic from automatically playing music when it starts?
[04:32:39] emcnabb: I don't see any settings to disable it
[04:34:25] SlicerDicer: yay my myth system is fully 100% functional now heh
[04:34:37] SlicerDicer: solved the final busted peice.. lirc haha
[04:34:43] rushfan: wow, this deinterlacing looks god awful
[04:35:19] clever: SlicerDicer: my lirc_i2c still causes a kernel oops
[04:35:27] SlicerDicer: kormoc: question for ya if your around how do I add another drive to my raid5 array and be sure that I can expand my fs?
[04:35:33] SlicerDicer: clever: really?
[04:35:51] SlicerDicer: clever: have you tried different lirc versions and stuff?
[04:36:02] clever: not yet
[04:36:10] clever: but its the same source that worked on my old kernel
[04:36:18] SlicerDicer: likely you need to clean it up
[04:36:25] SlicerDicer: and start fresh if you have new kernel
[04:36:33] clever: i did the make clean
[04:36:44] clever: and the lirc_serial and lirc_dev from the source work fine
[04:36:53] SlicerDicer: did you change your /usr/src/linux symlink?
[04:36:59] SlicerDicer: so that it builds off new kernel sources?
[04:37:07] clever: and the patched one for pvr-150 blasting wont build a serial driver
[04:37:20] clever: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 27 2008-03–28 23:29 /usr/src/linux -> linux-headers-2.6.22-14–386
[04:37:32] clever: 2.6.22-14–386
[04:37:42] SlicerDicer: what distro?
[04:37:51] clever: /bin/sh: lsb-release: not found
[04:38:00] clever: ah _
[04:38:24] clever: No LSB modules are available.
[04:38:30] clever: No LSB modules are available.
[04:38:30] clever: Description: Ubuntu 7.10
[04:38:43] SlicerDicer: ahh
[04:38:44] rushfan: Anyone here deinterlace 1080i?
[04:38:56] clever: being lazy and trying to answer everything thru /exec :P
[04:38:57] rushfan: Because Im trying to find some good settings to use for the best results
[04:39:27] SlicerDicer: I know your using gutsy but https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallLirc . . . e7970e3a6da0 likely there is a gutsy version of how to explain that? lol
[04:39:52] SlicerDicer: errrm
[04:39:59] clever: ive installed lirc_serial and lirc_dev
[04:40:05] SlicerDicer: I would assume rushfan that you used bob
[04:40:08] clever: from that source
[04:40:15] mzb_d800: any mythphone users|addicts awake?
[04:40:48] clever: ah the m-a program
[04:40:59] clever: ive only got that working on ivtv so far
[04:41:11] mzb_d800: just toying with the idea of using a bluetooth headset with it (or parallel to) and wondered if anyone had played with success?
[04:41:16] clever: also
[04:41:24] clever: the m-a would toast the lirc_serial
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[04:41:32] clever: so id have to rebuild everything under it
[04:42:11] clever: good im forcing an insmod from /root so the 'working' modules will be ok
[04:44:17] clever: and m-a doesnt even ask which lirc driver i want
[04:44:35] ajh: OK, I now hate switches.
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[04:44:43] ajh: I'm ' ' close to getting it to work.
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[04:45:05] ajh: but I cannot get signal on the Left Circular ports, no matter what I try.
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[05:15:17] sshirley: Hi everyone
[05:15:26] sshirley: I have a question about LiveTV
[05:16:13] sshirley: Ever since upgrading to the new version of MythTV, live shows are showing up in the 'recordings'
[05:16:38] sshirley: Like if I watch 10 minutes of CNN, it'll show up when I go to watch recordings
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[05:16:58] sshirley: Also now I can't actually make recordings
[05:17:11] sshirley: Does this have something to do with the new "groups"?
[05:17:22] sshirley: live LiveTV group and Default group?
[05:18:44] Elliot42: Could someone recommend a tuner card for me. I currently have a 'dumb' analogue card but want to upgrade to one with an mpeg2 encoder (the P4 1.6 that's encoding doesn't like recording and playback at the same time)
[05:18:58] Elliot42: I was looking at the Hauppauge pvr150
[05:19:34] Elliot42: but will be using DVB-T through my STB, so thought I should actually get a DVB-T card
[05:20:28] Elliot42: so... which DVB-T (this is in Australia) cards have an mpeg2 encoder that anyone would recommend??
[05:20:39] ajh: argh, no matter what I change I'm still not getting Left-circular signal
[05:21:42] purserj: Elliot42: winfast leadtek dtv1000 is a good card
[05:22:24] purserj: though you might need to do a little futzing around with the kernel to get the remote to work
[05:23:02] sshirley: pursej: any ideas about my recording thing?
[05:23:24] purserj: sshirley: sorry no, I haven't seen that at all
[05:23:39] Elliot42: I've already build a serial reciever so that shouldn'd be a problem.. I'll just keep using that
[05:23:53] purserj: did you upgrade from 0.20 or is this a clean install of 0.21?
[05:24:25] sshirley: clean install
[05:25:03] sshirley: I take that back....it happened both ways
[05:25:07] purserj: hmm it sounds like a case of confused groups
[05:25:53] sshirley: yeah, it does
[05:26:17] purserj: but I wouldn't know how to fix it sorry
[05:26:43] sshirley: :-)
[05:26:43] rushfan: Can mythtv thread video decoding?
[05:27:29] ajh: anyone around who understands how DiSEqc switches actually work?
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[05:29:34] Landon: I was looking at my backend status just now and I saw that one of my encoders is watching livetv
[05:29:41] Landon: is there a way to manually stop it?
[05:29:47] Landon: it's been on for several hours without me knowing
[05:30:07] wagner: if youre not recording anything else, just restart the backend
[05:30:48] Landon: I'
[05:30:54] Landon: I'm recording other shows >.<
[05:30:55] wagner: commflagging and transcoding are external processes... i assume they would continue to run without the backend
[05:31:20] Landon: I don't need those to stop immediately, just the recording livetv part
[05:32:50] wagner: you can try going into the 'manage recording' option on the frontend
[05:33:00] wagner: there should be something in there to cancel a current recording
[05:35:41] Elliot42: purserj, I don't think the dtv1000 has hardware mpeg2, I can't see that anywhere and it's only $40 O_O
[05:36:21] ajh: do you need to run rescan existing transports once per input or just once overall
[05:36:52] ajh: or per card
[05:37:38] purserj: Elliot42: hmm I'm pretty sure that it does mpeg2, I've got it running on an AMD 2400 and it handles both SD and HD okay
[05:39:47] MaverickTech: I have not managed to get the remote on the DTV1000 to work
[05:39:54] MaverickTech: love the cards, for recording
[05:39:57] iamlindoro_: There is no hardware encoder on the dtv1000
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[05:40:05] Elliot42: purserj, hmm.. I might have missed it it what I've read (not much so far =p)
[05:40:35] iamlindoro_: The digital side is normal DVB-T, the analog side is framegrabber only
[05:41:43] MaverickTech: DTV1000-T that I have has no analog
[05:41:55] MaverickTech: *analog tuner
[05:42:23] purserj: MaverickTech: I've got some notes on getting the remote to work
[05:42:32] purserj: no analogue tuner, Digital only
[05:42:53] iamlindoro_: The analog portion of the card isn't the tuner, it's the composite/s-video
[05:43:08] iamlindoro_: and that's framegrabber only, like I said, no hardware encoder of any kind on the card.
[05:43:23] purserj: iamlindoro_: ah okay
[05:43:25] purserj: my mistake
[05:43:37] iamlindoro_: Elliot42: If you are looking for an analog hardware encoder, look elsewhere. The PVR-150 is the best supported/performing choice.
[05:44:36] purserj: MaverickTech: http://jamespurser.com.au/blog/Myth_and_the_W . . . dtek_dtv1000
[05:44:43] purserj: That should help you get the remote working
[05:44:47] wagner: if you actually manage to get a PVR150
[05:45:07] wagner: frequently, you buy a PVR150, and get an HVR1600
[05:45:11] iamlindoro_: Elliot42: and if you're looking for dvb-t, then just get a dvb-t card, there's no hardware encoding necessary for digital broadcast, encoding of digital television is done at the broadcaster
[05:45:12] wagner: which is not yet supported
[05:45:18] iamlindoro_: wagner: Yes it is
[05:45:23] iamlindoro_: both sides, now
[05:45:28] iamlindoro_: not even experimental any more
[05:45:33] Elliot42: iamlindoro_, I was looking at the pvr150, but I'll be recording from a dvb stb anyway so I thought that it'd be pointless spending money on an analogue card if I can get a digital one with hardware mpeg
[05:45:55] purserj: Elliot42: as iamlindoro_ says you don't need to encode a digital stream
[05:45:59] Elliot42: iamlindoro_, ah.. so there's no such thing as a dvb card with hardware mpeg2?
[05:46:00] purserj: It comes in mpeg2 by default
[05:46:06] iamlindoro_: Elliot42: correct
[05:46:16] wagner: ok, the mythtv site says beta drivers, i never checked further myself
[05:46:41] Elliot42: well that explains the lack of dvb cards in the hardware mpeg section of the wiki =P
[05:47:04] MaverickTech: purserj: thanks for the link
[05:47:07] mikeones: If I move my mythvideo dir will I have to setup all the covers agian?
[05:47:07] wagner: yeah, DVB and ATSC cards are little more than stream grabbers
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[05:47:18] iamlindoro_: wagner: Don't feel bad, even the linuxtv wiki hasn't been updated :)
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[05:48:04] wagner: well thats disappointing... i just spent $50 on a 1250, rather than spending the extra $10 and hoping for a 1600
[05:48:11] Elliot42: what's the cpu load like while recording from a dvb card then? near nothing?
[05:48:18] iamlindoro_: yup
[05:48:25] wagner: although im not really in need of more analog tuners
[05:49:09] Elliot42: great, at the moment my P4 is running at about 80% when encoding mpeg4
[05:49:44] Elliot42: and it doesn't like it when I decide to watch something at the same time, the playback is pretty jumpy
[05:49:46] purserj: ah thats different
[05:49:46] wagner: Elliot42: correct... its just whatever load it takes to dump ~15mbps to the hard drive
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[05:51:06] ajh: ok, this is getting even weirder, I think I got things right so now card 1 and 2 have scanned both left and right channels properly, but card 3 cannot see left channels but can see right on all 4 inputs.
[05:51:48] Elliot42: thanks everyone for clearing that up, I think I'll be getting a dtv1000 then.
[05:52:07] wagner: left/right... ?
[05:52:17] MaverickTech: Elliot42: they're hard to find now
[05:52:21] ajh: circular polarity
[05:52:41] wagner: ah, youre doing stereo video?
[05:53:03] iamlindoro_: they're satellite polarizations
[05:53:20] Elliot42: MaverickTech, :( ... know which other cards are good that I can get?
[05:53:31] ajh: I'm not sure why 2 cards would work fine, but one not.
[05:54:16] iamlindoro_: Elliot42: Anything Hauppauge. Nova-T, Nova-t 500, whatever
[05:54:25] ajh: and multiswitches over 4 ports are uncommitted switches btw, which was one of the issues.
[05:54:40] iamlindoro_: Well supported (although certain cards models are not-- check the linuxtv.org wiki for real info)
[05:54:41] MaverickTech: I have only used the 1000T's – stayed with what worked
[05:54:51] MaverickTech: not needed to get another recently, sorry :(
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[05:55:16] purserj: plus with multi-record, the need for a second tuner just got smaller :)
[05:55:43] Elliot42: I'll try to find a 1000t first.. the nova-t is at least $170 o_O
[05:55:54] wagner: how many times do you actually have multiple things to watch on the same channel?
[05:56:15] MaverickTech: wagner: quite often
[05:56:19] MaverickTech: back to back recordings
[05:56:25] wagner: half the stations around here either run weather, or nothing, on their auxillary channels
[05:56:27] MaverickTech: and recordings on the same multiplex
[05:56:39] wagner: there is a station that might think of recording on both channels
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[06:02:36] ajh: ugh, for some reason output port 3 on the switch is putting out a 30% signal, moving that card to port 4 gave 97
[06:04:10] ajh: bad hardware?
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[06:18:28] Elliot42: one more question.. is the 1000t HD, or just SD? (My local store has them, or at least their website says so)
[06:19:01] purserj: both
[06:19:32] Elliot42: great, thanks!
[06:20:43] ajh: This whole mess hurt my brain. Frustrating that it looks like a bad connector on the switch is at fault.
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[06:41:00] ajh: so, with multirec do you now want every dvbinput in a separate input group?
[06:41:29] ajh: since, according to what the screens say, it would prevent them from both recording at once if not
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[07:01:47] ajh: very odd, dont' seem to be able to tune on more than one card
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[07:29:59] ajh: any idea why when I switch away from mythfrontend I get noise?
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[07:34:51] mzb_d800: any mythphone users awake who've played with headsetd?
[07:36:58] mzb_d800: hmm... I'm guessing it wont work, as mythphone doesn't use alsa?
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[07:41:54] mzb_d800: err ... how about *any* (headless?) SIP client which will work with a bluetooth headset?
[07:42:38] mzb_d800: (or a client that isn't headless, but can be used with headset only .. ie. no kbd)
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[08:07:44] mzb_d800: hmm ... linphone-nox might do the job
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[09:11:27] user1: how can i know what card= and what tuner= i have for my tv card ?
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[09:15:40] user1: helo
[09:27:45] cesman: hello
[09:27:53] cesman: user1: I don't understand the question
[09:28:10] cesman: user1: how many tuners do you have?
[09:28:29] user1: cesman just one.
[09:28:54] cesman: ok
[09:29:02] user1: Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01)
[09:29:20] user1: cesman how can i kkknow what is its card= and tuner= number
[09:30:21] cesman: ahh
[09:30:46] cesman: you can try the v4l/dvb wiki
[09:31:02] cesman: you can also try a look at the cardlist
[09:31:26] user1: exact link?
[09:31:41] cesman: it is normally under /usr/src/linux/Documentation/foo
[09:31:55] cesman: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Main_Page
[09:33:52] user1: k
[09:34:02] user1: let me see
[09:36:15] cesman: user1: what is the make and model of your tuner?
[09:36:43] user1: cesman i cant see the list man. can you tell what is the tuner= for Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01) card=0
[09:36:47] user1: ?
[09:36:53] user1: SAA7130
[09:37:52] cesman: user1: what is the make and model of your card?
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[09:38:14] cesman: ie: TVcard corp model tv1
[09:38:30] user1: dont know
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[09:39:08] user1: whats the tuner number?
[09:39:24] cesman: dude, we are going around in circles....
[09:39:41] user1: what?
[09:39:49] user1: what do you mean
[09:41:05] user1: ??
[09:42:25] cesman: the card= and tuner= are dependent on the make and model of your card
[09:42:41] cesman: if you don't know the make and model, sorry I cannot give you an answer
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[09:43:17] user1: cesman how can i know the make model then?
[09:43:22] cesman: you can try and have it atodetect w/ card=0 but I'm guessing that isn't working
[09:43:35] cesman: dude, how am I suppose to know?
[09:43:41] cesman: did you not purchase the card?
[09:43:49] user1: its alpha
[09:43:58] user1: alpha tv card. not listed anywhere
[09:44:03] cesman: if you lspci -vv, it may tell you
[09:44:44] cesman: there is no "alpha" in the cardlist.saa7134
[09:45:36] user1: ya. its phillips then
[09:45:44] user1: cesman i cant see the list man. can you tell what is the tuner= for Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01) card=0
[09:46:11] user1: ser1@computer1:~/Desktop$ lspci -w
[09:46:12] user1: lspci: invalid option — w
[09:46:12] user1: Usage: lspci [<switches>]
[09:46:38] cesman: -vv
[09:46:43] cesman: that is V V
[09:46:53] cesman: two Vs
[09:47:04] user1: k
[09:47:18] not_davo: Will a VGA to composite adapter have good enough quality for a PAL TV? (768x576)
[09:47:43] user1: 0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev 01)
[09:47:44] user1: Subsystem: Philips Semiconductors Unknown device 0000
[09:47:44] user1: Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
[09:47:44] user1: Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
[09:47:44] user1: Latency: 32 (3750ns min, 9500ns max)
[09:47:44] user1: Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 21
[09:47:46] user1: Region 0: Memory at fe900000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1K]
[09:47:47] cesman: user1: I if tell you, that tuner is dependent on the make and model of your card, why do you keep asking me about the tuner number?
[09:47:48] user1: Capabilities: <access denied>
[09:48:00] cesman: I'm happy to help but don't be stupid...
[09:48:11] cesman: user1: use pastebin
[09:48:15] user1: cesman i told you . the make model is aplha phillip.
[09:48:44] user1: cesman i want to put options saa7134 card=0 tuner=54
[09:48:44] user1: 8
[09:48:49] user1: in
[09:49:00] user1: options saa7134 card=0 tuner=54
[09:49:01] user1: 
[09:49:05] user1: for example..
[09:49:13] user1: sot thats why i need the card and tuner number
[09:49:15] user1: got it?
[09:49:21] cesman: if you know you want to put that in, why are you asking what the tuner number is?
[09:49:36] cesman: I got it. Do you?
[09:49:36] user1: in nano /etc/modprobe.d/optionsr *
[09:49:53] user1: cesman that number is an example...
[09:50:02] user1: i dont know the real number i should use
[09:50:13] not_davo: Guys?
[09:50:20] user1: not_davo there are some gays too
[09:50:34] not_davo: what?
[09:50:40] user1: nevermind :)
[09:50:59] dustybin: my custom kernel worked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:51:01] user1: cesman so what else do you want to know?
[09:51:03] dustybin: server:/home/dustybin# grep CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND /boot/config-`uname -r`
[09:51:05] dustybin: # CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND is not set
[09:52:23] user1: cesman ?
[09:54:08] cesman: user1: http://pastebin.com/d32ae8970
[09:54:52] cesman: that is the list of tuner numbers
[09:55:21] cesman: http://pastebin.com/d10fc1a86
[09:55:38] user1: where did you got those?
[09:55:45] cesman: that is the list of cards supported by the saa713x module
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[09:56:15] user1: thx
[09:56:16] user1: where did you got those?
[09:56:20] user1: the tuner thing
[09:56:30] cesman: you should note, I'm using a leading edge version of the v4l/dvb moduels
[09:56:45] cesman: so, the kernel in your distro may not support all those
[09:57:15] user1: hm
[09:58:25] cesman: dustybin: congrats
[09:58:47] cesman: not_davo: I'm in NTSC land...
[09:58:51] cesman: couldn't tell ya
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[10:00:39] xris: cesman: no dvd for linuxfest.. couldn't get a bootable one done in time.
[10:00:43] xris: got a nice flier, though
[10:01:14] cesman: that is unfortunate
[10:01:17] user1: cesman thxx
[10:01:32] cesman: xris: sorry I couldn't be of help :(
[10:01:38] cesman: user1: you're welcome
[10:02:02] cesman: xris: it is next weekend right?
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[10:02:10] xris: 25th
[10:02:22] xris: next week I go medieval...  :)
[10:03:20] cesman: not on my ass ;)
[10:04:09] xris: nope. just in general
[10:04:17] xris: http://gallery.vanir-lag.org/main.php
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[10:06:54] not_davo: cesman: NTSC=PAL really
[10:07:08] cesman: not_davo: if you say so...
[10:07:27] xris: cesman: no biggie on disks. having a flier to hand out will be such an improvement over last year.
[10:07:34] xris: esp. since we're giving away an hdhomerun
[10:07:43] not_davo: well the resolutions are very similar
[10:07:44] xris: not_davo: not sure how you get that...
[10:08:08] cesman: xris: but it is a pity you don't have a KnoppMyth R5.5 CD to hand out w/ it
[10:08:08] xris: not_davo: analog doesn't really have "resolution"
[10:08:29] cesman: it detects and setup HDHR automatically
[10:08:34] cesman: one just have to fill in SD info...
[10:08:43] xris: cesman: yes... but SD wanted to be as impartial as we could.. don't want to give out stuff from a single distro
[10:08:50] not_davo: well what does it have then?
[10:09:19] xris: not_davo: not quite sure... signal lines, of course, but it's not the same as resolution in a digital sense.
[10:09:23] cesman: xris: yeah, I understand
[10:09:26] not_davo: oh ok
[10:09:59] xris: we want to work with people to build a multi-distro disk... could be kind of cool to have something like that for people to try out various distros
[10:10:45] not_davo: you guys live in the US?
[10:11:45] cesman: yes
[10:13:29] cesman: x/me should be asleep
[10:13:35] ** cesman should be asleep **
[10:14:26] ** xris should, too **
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[10:14:35] xris: stupid affogato dessert.
[10:14:38] xris: but so delicious.
[10:14:45] xris: (espresso + gelato)
[10:16:50] cesman: well, I guess I'll try and rest my head
[10:16:52] cesman: later folks
[10:17:45] not_davo: sounds interesting
[10:17:54] not_davo: but i'll just stick to gelato
[10:18:07] not_davo: what state(s) are you guys in?
[10:26:04] xris: not_davo: should try it some time. just pour a shot of espresso over a scoop of vanilla gelato.  :)
[10:26:08] xris: and.. seattle, wa
[10:26:15] xris: cesman is in southern californoa
[10:26:19] xris: california, even
[10:26:53] not_davo: nah i dont like the taste of coffee
[10:27:06] xris: ahh..
[10:27:09] xris: I used to be like that.
[10:27:17] xris: I don't like coffee, either.. but espresso is different.  :)
[10:27:26] not_davo: then you became an old fart? :p
[10:28:07] xris: the term is "foodie"  :)
[10:28:24] xris: or "coffee snob"
[10:28:57] not_davo: foodie=i killed lots of my tastebuds
[10:29:07] xris: they grow back
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[10:29:48] xris: otherwise kormoc and I would never be able to taste anything, given our bouts of hot sauce tasting
[10:30:31] not_davo: hmm that reminds me of the new indian place i go to
[10:30:40] not_davo: their vindaloo isn't hot enough
[10:31:13] not_davo: i should be sweating and my nose should be running when i eat vindaloo
[10:31:29] not_davo: it fails miserably
[10:32:30] xris: I don't think I've ever found food hot enough to make me sweat
[10:32:51] not_davo: i have
[10:32:53] xris: then again, I grew up near death valley, so it takes a lot of heat to make me sweat normally.
[10:33:07] not_davo: the other indian place i go to makes excellent vindaloo
[10:33:10] xris: nose runs like crazy even in mild heat.
[10:33:21] xris: annoying as heck
[10:33:37] not_davo: oh lol, yeah you'd need something hot if you're from the valley
[10:33:40] xris: I know a guy who gets hiccups from spicy, though. THAT would be annoying.
[10:34:05] xris: (that and I spent other time growing up in south america...)
[10:34:14] not_davo: heh
[10:34:32] not_davo: i wouldnt say that aus is famous for it's spicy food
[10:34:37] not_davo: our food sucks
[10:34:39] xris: kormoc has me beat, though. his dad used to pay him to eat habaneros... thought it was funny. kormoc thought it was a good way to make money.
[10:34:49] not_davo: that's why we have so many migrants.
[10:34:49] xris: but you have beer.
[10:34:52] xris: and hot women.
[10:34:54] not_davo: berr sucks
[10:34:57] xris: lol
[10:35:07] not_davo: *ber
[10:35:08] not_davo: *beer
[10:35:16] xris: I have a friend who just moved to AU a few weeks ago
[10:35:22] not_davo: most of the women drink beer and hence suck
[10:35:35] not_davo: what part?
[10:35:40] xris: not sure, actually
[10:35:49] not_davo: from what state?
[10:36:09] xris: not sure of that, either... somewhere back east.
[10:36:23] not_davo: heh
[10:36:32] not_davo: must be a good friend :p
[10:36:34] xris: internet friend. have known him for AGES but never bothered to ask where he was from
[10:36:42] not_davo: ah right
[10:36:46] xris: he says yarra valley
[10:36:59] xris: near melbourne
[10:37:07] not_davo: ah im in melbourne
[10:38:27] neztiti: guys how i can great favorite list of channels
[10:39:01] not_davo: was he from NYC?
[10:39:17] xris: not_davo: dunno. don't think so.
[10:39:20] not_davo: ok
[10:39:30] not_davo: i met a guy from NYC
[10:39:32] xris: neztiti: sorry, not a feature I've ever used..
[10:39:44] not_davo: nice to actually hear a US accent in person
[10:39:56] not_davo: i hear them so much on tv/radio/etc
[10:40:08] xris: lol
[10:40:28] xris: funny how everyone likes the *other* accent...
[10:40:43] neztiti: xris: you mean no way to great favorite list???
[10:40:48] ** xris used to have a spanish accent. which is REALLY weird on a guy who looks like he's from denmark.  :) **
[10:40:56] xris: neztiti: you can. I just don't know how.
[10:41:22] neztiti: xris:ok thank you man
[10:42:21] xris: anyway, it's approaching 4 AM. I need to crash.
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[10:43:43] not_davo: hey i never said that i liked US accents
[10:43:51] not_davo: i just said it was interesting
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[10:46:46] neztiti: guys how i can great favorite list of channels
[10:47:33] dustybin: ive created a custom kernel but i cannot compile lirc against it using: m-a update && m-a prepare && m-a auto-install lirc
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[10:48:43] dustybin: the error is:
[10:48:46] dustybin: ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid. include/linux/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing. Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src to fix it.
[10:49:02] dustybin: i tried running make oldconfig && make prepare
[10:49:06] dustybin: but it still doesnt work?
[10:56:23] dustybin: "There is a bug in lirc in that it will not compile against kernels over 2.6.18 because a *conf.h file has been renamed and so make fails w.r.t. the "missing file"."
[10:56:26] dustybin: bastards
[11:01:55] Davo_Dinkum: what PCI express video card would do 1920x1080 via DVI and have TV output? and would it be cheaper to buy one second hand?
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[11:09:29] dustybin: ive had enough im upgrading to lenny what uses a .24 kernel
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[11:51:12] EvilGuru: Davo_Dinkum: Most all cards with DVI will do 1920x1080
[11:51:25] EvilGuru: I do not believe a dual-link connector is required
[11:54:04] Davo_Dinkum: yeah, i think anything above 1920x180 needs dual link
[11:58:14] neztiti: hi guys again – how i can great my favorite channels list?
[11:58:40] neztiti: no one can help here???
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[12:04:19] Dibblah: neztiti: Be patient.
[12:04:32] Dibblah: And you won't get an answer in #mythtv.
[12:04:48] Dibblah: If you mean 'create'...
[12:05:31] neztiti: غثس ؤقثشفØ& laquo; – سخققغ ةشى
[12:05:45] neztiti: sorry man – yes create
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[12:06:39] Dibblah: What do you mean by 'favorite'?
[12:07:13] Dibblah: The easiest way around it is probably to set the 'visible' flag on all stations to off, then only enable the ones you're interested in.
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[12:07:19] Dibblah: If that's what you're asking.
[12:07:33] Dibblah: Otherwise, change the channel numbers + sort by number.
[12:07:34] neztiti: Dibblah:my own channels that i all the time watch them – favorite
[12:10:33] neztiti: Dibblah: yes
[12:10:46] neztiti: thank you
[12:10:52] neztiti: i want to try
[12:13:06] natoka: what sort of commercial detection is 'experimental' acutally conducting?
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[12:25:44] wayneandleanne: hi all, having a problem runing mythfilldatabase --manual i get a error unable to connect to backend server 127.0.0.1:6543 connection timed out you probably should modify the master server settings in the setup program and set the proper IP address, anybody got any ideas?
[12:26:13] natoka: wayneandleanne: seems as you haven't started your backend yet
[12:27:21] wayneandleanne: natoka: i'm confused whenever the backend is running a cant run mythtv-setup it complains the backend is running, any ideas?
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[12:30:03] wayneandleanne: anybody got any ideas to this problem
[12:32:13] natoka: start the master backend and try mythfilldatabase --manual again
[12:32:57] wayneandleanne: will try that in two secs thanks
[12:40:22] justinh: afternoon
[12:40:35] natoka: ^^ hi
[12:42:24] EvilGuru: Can the mythweb application stream files from backends (so if the file does not exist on the system mythweb is running on)
[12:42:49] natoka: not that i know
[12:43:18] natoka: mythweb needs to have some sort of filesystem access to the files
[12:44:00] EvilGuru: Could it not stream it from the backend?
[12:44:02] natoka: be it local, or some network connection
[12:44:22] EvilGuru: As Perl and PHP both have sockets
[12:44:48] natoka: ?
[12:45:05] natoka: you would need a network protocol to transfer the data stream
[12:45:09] EvilGuru: Yes
[12:45:34] natoka: actually mythv speaks only one ...
[12:45:38] EvilGuru: Could mythweb not implement a sub-set of the back-end protocol so that it could connect to the correct back-end, stream it from there
[12:45:53] EvilGuru: then just dump it over the http connection
[12:50:19] natoka: be our guest to write such a nonsense
[12:50:30] natoka: because it's useless
[12:51:08] natoka: since there are at bunch of other ways to give mythweb the file access it's needing
[12:51:26] natoka: like nfs, smb, cifs, coda, afs, ...
[12:52:09] natoka: and the best of it all – they work and have quite likely a larger user community than mythtv ...
[12:52:37] natoka: besides they are more secure and have a lot of other benefits too.
[12:53:24] EvilGuru: Okay
[12:53:51] dustybin: am i right in thinking that my usb suspend is now disabled:
[12:53:53] dustybin: server:/sys/bus/usb/devices# cat */*/power/level
[12:53:53] dustybin: on
[12:53:57] dustybin: on
[12:53:57] dustybin: on
[12:53:59] dustybin: on
[12:58:03] dustybin: ive upgraded my whole debian etch system to debian lenny
[12:58:30] dustybin: does that mean i will now have to re-compile mythtv .21 against debian lenny ?
[13:00:34] natoka: you should
[13:02:15] natoka: because many library version will have quite some changes
[13:03:01] natoka: and most likely there are api changes for some libs
[13:03:11] dustybin: aye ok thanks :D
[13:03:38] natoka: and of course the compiler will be quite different
[13:03:51] natoka: perhaps even a bit better
[13:03:56] natoka: but that depends
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[13:15:39] Davo_Dinkum: how much VRAM do I need for 1920x1080 resolution?
[13:19:50] jduggan: Davo_Dinkum: too lazy to do the math yourself? =]
[13:23:50] EvilGuru: Davo_Dinkum: Not much
[13:25:43] EvilGuru: However, it is heavily theoretical. The graphics card driver manages video memory so it is not clear cut at all
[13:26:35] dustybin: when compiling mythtv lots of stuff goes down the screen
[13:26:38] dustybin: what does this mean:
[13:26:41] dustybin: Link.cpp:114: warning: deprecated conversion from string constant to ‘char*’
[13:26:52] EvilGuru: dustybin: Nothing to worry about
[13:26:56] dustybin: aye ok
[13:27:12] ** dustybin puts it down to shoddy code :P **
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[13:28:32] EvilGuru: dustybin: If a function takes a char* so, e.g.: void foo(char* bar); and you do: foo("This is a string") it will cause it
[13:29:08] EvilGuru: As "..." is a const char* and you are converting it to a char*. So if the function tries to modify bar it will cause bad things to happen
[13:29:16] EvilGuru: so the compiler warns about it
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[13:45:29] justdave: so there's this cool initscript on Ubuntu now that updates motd with the mythtv-status
[13:45:47] justdave: only problem is it runs as root so it fails miserably because it can't find ~/.mythtv/config.xml
[13:46:00] justdave: (because that file is in /home/mythtv, not in /root)
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[13:48:02] hobbynutte: :(( my myth box is broken
[13:48:20] hobbynutte: i always get coruppted tables, i just have to restart mythbackend to get them borked
[13:48:33] dustybin: mythxml.cpp: In member function ‘void MythXML::GetExpiring(HTTPRequest*)’:
[13:49:06] hobbynutte: when i fix them with myisamchk, which worked before always, mythbackend starts up fine, plays recordings, but hardlocks the whole pc when i cange to livetv
[13:49:59] hobbynutte: i did optimize_db.pl etc, mysiamchk till end, but after starting mythbackend and changing to live tv, the system locks
[13:50:29] hobbynutte: i am really down with my nerves ;(
[13:51:34] hobbynutte: think i will reinstall everything, and make a sane datebase, but my stomach says this will come again cause mysql sucks
[13:51:46] hobbynutte: hope someday myth will go for embedded db
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[13:54:00] hobbynutte: or is it normal that everytime you restart the mythbackend app or the whole pc you get corrupted myi tables ? :(
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[13:54:55] Davo_Dinkum: EvilGuru: so 128mb is enough?
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[13:58:47] _charly_: hobbynutte: you shouldn't get corrupted tables when you just restart the mythbackend, since mysql is a seperate daemon that should care about not corrupting the tables when a client connection got lost. maybe you hit a mysql bug?
[13:58:54] EvilGuru: Davo_Dinkum: You would have to try it
[13:59:13] Davo_Dinkum: ok
[13:59:44] hobbyhure: _charly_ : i though that also, myisamchk says some clients didnt close the tables correctly
[13:59:54] hobbyhure: btw had hardlock again :(
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[14:00:36] hobbyhure: woooohoooo
[14:00:40] hobbyhure: its working again
[14:01:02] _charly_: hardlocks? so your complete system hangs, not only the application?
[14:01:22] hobbyhure: ok never ever restart again :) and never again hit drunken the reset button accedently :))
[14:01:32] hobbyhure: _charly_: yep whole sys hangs
[14:01:52] hobbyhure: hard locks
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[14:02:39] _charly_: hmm... that explains the corrupted mysql tables
[14:03:26] _charly_: maybe a driver-bug from your dvb-card? or hardware bugs?
[14:03:34] hobbyhure: they get corrupted from normal reboot, they get corrupted from restarting mythbackend app etc etc
[14:03:59] hobbyhure: btw livetv stopped working again :( but at least no hardlock :(
[14:05:05] hobbyhure: yay Table './mythconverg/recorded' is marked as crashed and should be repaired
[14:05:07] hobbyhure: :))))
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[14:07:12] _charly_: i had problems with livetv too a while ago, but i think that's caused by a lost connection between frontend and backend after resuming the frontend from suspend. restarting the frontend application "fixes" this. maybe i should update to the latest version of mythtv
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[14:09:24] hobbyhure: _charly_ : i think my prob is mysql related, when i remember it is since i altered the capture card table
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[14:09:33] hobbyhure: i played around with mutlirec and sasc-ng
[14:09:48] stuarta: we don't talk about sasc-ng in here
[14:09:59] hobbyhure: stuarta: stfu
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[14:10:37] hobbyhure: sasc-ng is a nice app, if u want to use your legal subscription
[14:10:44] hobbyhure: its not onbly for illegal things
[14:10:46] _charly_: i also have the livetv-prob since 0.21 with multirec, i tried sng a while ago, but it didn't work so i gave up. this is not important for me
[14:11:00] hobbyhure: aah
[14:11:08] hobbyhure: yeah multirec maybe the issue
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[14:11:31] hobbyhure: maybe that was not good for my mysql table
[14:11:33] hobbyhure: :))
[14:11:39] _charly_: but i don't have the latest version of mythtv on frontend and backend, maybe this is already fixed
[14:12:16] stuarta: hobbyhure: don't tell me to stfu again or i will kickban you
[14:12:36] hobbyhure: stuarta: sorry for that, but come one what should i say to that ;)
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[14:12:43] hobbyhure: it was also a flame what u did
[14:12:52] stuarta: no it wasn't
[14:12:57] hobbyhure: it was !
[14:13:03] stuarta: us devs want nothing to do with sasc-ng
[14:13:06] hobbyhure: you didnt get the context
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[14:13:18] dustybin: jeeze
[14:13:18] stuarta: on the grounds that 99.9% of it's use isn't legal
[14:13:48] hobbyhure: i said i altered the capture cards table cause mutlirec and sasc, and that may corrupted my mysql tables, nothing more, nothing less
[14:14:03] stuarta: fine, keep it to that
[14:14:06] hobbyhure: i did !
[14:14:09] hobbyhure: :)
[14:16:47] _charly_: even some hardware receivers that are used with legal subscriptions aren't really legal because the providers only allow a few certified receivers. sng falls in this category, imho, but with it it's much easier to do illegal things than with closed hardware... so i fully understand you, stuarta
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[14:20:01] stuarta: we just don't want the project to become tainted with "it's only used to steal tv"
[14:20:50] mkrufky: didnt that rule used to be in the channel topic?
[14:21:00] stuarta: hence it's never discussed, and any attempt to do so is quashed immediately
[14:21:10] stuarta: mkrufky: dunno, don't remember seeing it
[14:21:13] mkrufky: its always easy to say "see channel topic — comply or be kickbanned" ... only 1 warning
[14:21:19] mkrufky: ok, maybe not
[14:21:37] mkrufky: i put all my rules in #linuxtv channel topic, so that way i give one warning and then your kicked
[14:22:02] stuarta: it doesn't generally come up enough to warrant putting in the topic
[14:22:06] mkrufky: ok
[14:22:12] mkrufky: better off, then :-)
[14:22:17] stuarta: probably give more ppl ideas :)
[14:22:21] mkrufky: heh
[14:22:22] hobbyhure: stuarta: no prob, fully understandable, but dont you think when the word sasc comes in other circumstences like i did, its ok, and donty ou think that discussion now is obsolete, cause i never wanted to talk about the sasc itself
[14:22:49] mkrufky: we just like to avoid that topic altogether here , hobbyhure
[14:22:54] mkrufky: safest that way
[14:23:00] stuarta: k, tho i've never heard of a legal use, and i don't want to learn of one
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[14:23:55] hobbyhure: mkrufky: i dont like the attitude to go the safe way, dont talk about things etc, even not say the name
[14:24:08] stuarta: just drop it okay?
[14:24:36] stuarta: it's what the name implies
[14:24:49] stuarta: that is the problem
[14:24:51] hobbyhure: stuarta: I never wannted talk about that ok, i ll stop now
[14:24:56] stuarta: good
[14:25:01] hobbyhure: if u want too
[14:25:05] hobbyhure: i doensnt look so
[14:25:06] hobbyhure: :)
[14:25:10] hobbyhure: it
[14:25:30] ** stuarta tries to decide what to break next **
[14:26:01] ** hobbyhure is happy to have solved the db breakage **
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[14:45:15] dustybin: ive upgraded from debian etch to debian lenny, re-compiled mythtv, re-setup lirc, everything is working ok apart from my display
[14:45:28] dustybin: im using nvidia driver direct from there website
[14:45:52] dustybin: when the frontend loads, the position of the screen is out of place, the screen setup wizard cannot fix it as it just hits the edge
[14:46:01] dustybin: i can see the desktop behind the frontend
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[14:53:42] dustybin: this is weird, the screen wizard doesnt match my screen
[14:59:31] stalks: where does myth store its sql connection details
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[15:01:31] stalks: found it ~user/.mythtv
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[15:08:48] dustybin: im sure the actual colour doesnt look as good as the debian nvidia driver
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[16:06:33] jimbalaya: Since upgrading to .21 on debian, mythmusic (or any of its configuration screens) will not work ... I also can't find any log output to guide me in ways of repairing this issue...
[16:06:53] jimbalaya: has anyone else experienced this, or know of certain logs to check, or ways to force logs?
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[16:07:59] jimbalaya: I currently use a script that starts the front end with 'mythfrontend > /var/lib/mythtv/MythLog' but this doesn't display anything
[16:08:36] jimbalaya: and using 'mythfrontend 2> /var/lib/mythtv/MythLog' would output some cdrecord errors (?) but that's about it
[16:09:25] jimbalaya: i've tried removing (apt-get remove, then dpkg --purge) and re-installing, but this didn't resolve the issue either
[16:09:37] Saviq: jimbalaya: mythfrontend --help will tell you how to get more output
[16:10:04] jimbalaya: Saviq: would this information be in the manpage as well?
[16:10:14] jimbalaya: hrm, if there was one :-P
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[16:11:08] mirak: hi
[16:11:16] justinh: dustybin: the screen setup wizard has some serious limitations I never figured out how to fix
[16:11:23] jimbalaya: hrm, cannot connect to X server ..... just for --help (?) .... I'll have to try this @ the PC
[16:11:30] mirak: I am looking for someone that uses SASC-NG
[16:11:37] stuarta: then go away
[16:11:44] stuarta: we don't talk about that here
[16:11:52] mirak: stuarta: we are not
[16:11:58] dustybin: justinh: its ok, i removed the nvidia driver from there website, its total cack, i done some tricks to get debian nvidia driver working with the latest kernel: Linux server 2.6.24-1–686
[16:12:05] mirak: stuarta: I am just looking for someone
[16:12:21] stuarta: fine, don't talk about it here in a *logged* channel
[16:12:29] dustybin: if i do this: cd /sys/bus/usb/devices | cat */*/power/level everything is set to on, this means usb autosuspend has been turned off! :-D
[16:13:12] dustybin: this means my nova-t 500 should be pretty stable from now on
[16:13:46] mirak: stuarta: no problem, I won't. I am just expecting I could talk privately about private things with secret people
[16:14:02] mirak: or hoping
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[16:15:39] Dibblah: mirak: Then do it somewhere where people are actually going to help – Like where you got whatever it is. ;)
[16:16:02] ** stuarta sighs. 2nd time today **
[16:16:09] Dibblah: Indeed.
[16:16:18] mirak: Dibblah: I come from there in fact, I was trying another way :p
[16:16:20] Dibblah: It's not like it's not got it's own support network.
[16:16:44] Dibblah: mirak: Feel free to make your own channel. But no Myth talk in there ;)
[16:16:47] mirak: yes but it doesn't have a irc channel that I know
[16:16:57] stuarta: probably with good reason
[16:17:07] Dibblah: And enjoy it when you get booted from Freenode.
[16:17:34] mirak: stuarta: it's like a nife or a cd burner, it depends how you use it
[16:17:35] Dibblah: For some reason, most people on here are hot on IP.
[16:17:54] mirak: knife
[16:18:11] stuarta: yes but using a knife is legal 99.9% of the time
[16:18:19] stuarta: not the other way around
[16:18:22] Dibblah: mirak: I would suggest we leave this discussion here. Feel free to get the last word in if you want.
[16:18:36] mirak: stuarta: maybe it depends the size of the knife lol
[16:18:46] stuarta: before i exercise my itchy trigger finger and boot someone
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[16:19:19] mirak: Dibblah: no I don't want to argue why we can't discuss it here. all I know is that in some country it's more dangerous than others I believe
[16:19:25] Dibblah: But... You're not an op! <watches stuarta get ready to decloak>
[16:19:40] stuarta: mirak: last warning. shutup about it *now*
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[16:20:57] mirak: does mythtv implemented a memory ring buffer for time shift or is always on hard drive ?
[16:21:17] Dibblah: Always stored.
[16:21:39] stuarta: its a recording...
[16:22:03] Dibblah: There's a small buffer for digital recorders, but that's flushed to disk quite regularly.
[16:22:31] Dibblah: And there's no ring buffer. It's all sequential files these days.
[16:22:32] slestak: for mplayer to display myhtvideo well, is it a bad idea to use zoom? my video gets choppy and other artifacts
[16:22:52] Dibblah: slestak: Using 0.21 of Myth?
[16:23:09] slestak: yes, on gutsy backport
[16:23:18] Dibblah: Oh, wait – this sounds like your video card may not support XV.
[16:23:25] Davo_Dinkum: what kind of cpu would i need if i was recording from three hd tuners at the same time and watching one of them *or* watching pre-recorded hd video from the hard drive?
[16:23:45] Dibblah: HD recording (Digital) is not really high-load.
[16:23:46] slestak: i finally have xv working with fglrx
[16:24:04] Davo_Dinkum: ive heard that
[16:24:19] Dibblah: slestak: I would suggest trying the internal player, rather than mplayer.
[16:24:21] slestak: cpu is 70%idle when watching video
[16:24:33] slestak: ok
[16:24:49] Dibblah: It really has come along lots since 0.20
[16:25:25] slestak: do you have any advice whethrt to zoom, fs, smaller content. my output is to 32" lcd tv
[16:26:45] Dibblah: Again, try the Internal player.
[16:26:55] Dibblah: Set the player command to Internal.
[16:27:45] Davo_Dinkum: also my output will be to a PAL (768x520) CRT TV. will the CPU have to reencode the hd video on the fly?
[16:28:00] jimbalaya: I've recently upgraded to .21 on debian etch and now mythmusic won't start – I have some output at http://pastebin.org/29236 which indicates a DB issue, but I'm not good with mysql, can anyone offer help on this?
[16:28:34] Dibblah: Davo_Dinkum: It doesn't reencode, just scales.
[16:28:49] jimbalaya: it seems like it's trying to upgrade the DB, but a table already exists ... I'm assuming I could remove the table, and then let it upgrade ... but I've no clue how to do that
[16:28:49] Dibblah: Which is 'free' with XV.
[16:28:57] Davo_Dinkum: ok cool
[16:29:23] Dibblah: Jimbalaya: What version were you upgrading from?
[16:29:29] jimbalaya: .20.2 i think ...
[16:29:37] Dibblah: A packaged release?
[16:29:46] jimbalaya: yes, from a mirror of debian-multimedia.org
[16:29:52] Dibblah: Ugh.
[16:29:56] jimbalaya: heh
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[16:30:10] Dibblah: Sounds like someone backported a change.
[16:30:16] Dibblah: mysql
[16:30:32] Dibblah: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg
[16:30:36] jimbalaya: btw – Saviq – thanks on the '--help' suggestion, it showed me how to get the output that i needed to see what the issue was
[16:30:52] Dibblah: drop table music_directories;
[16:30:57] Dibblah: exit
[16:31:10] ** jimbalaya wonders what his mythtv password is :-P **
[16:31:17] Dibblah: however, it's unlikely that'll be the only problem, if they've been futzing around.
[16:31:22] jimbalaya: i see
[16:31:25] Dibblah: ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt
[16:31:45] jimbalaya: nice!
[16:31:45] slestak: Dibblah: thx, i will go try that now
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[16:34:02] Floppe: when there is scheduled some news (about 20 min) in middle of a movie, how should one program myth so it records the entire movie in on file instead of 2 seperate files?
[16:34:47] stuarta: generally i set end late to (length of news + length of part 2 + overrun)
[16:35:15] stuarta: once upon a time i was going to implement a find disjointed program
[16:35:28] Floppe: so I have done before. wondered if there were any better solutions
[16:35:45] stuarta: not currently
[16:36:24] jimbalaya: Dibblah: Thank You! ... the 'drop table music_directories;' resolved the issue
[16:37:44] TelnetManta: Into the brave unknown, I'm about to install the latest trunk..... Holds breath!
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[16:40:42] Dibblah: TelnetManta: I would recommend against it.
[16:40:43] dustybin: jeeze is that the time about time i got dressed
[16:41:10] Dibblah: ... There are no good features added yet as compared to 0.21.
[16:41:23] Dibblah: Or 0.21 fixes.
[16:41:51] stuarta: it's a work in progress
[16:44:03] justinh: gonna have to start putting my face on soon. beers await
[16:44:31] stuarta: heh
[16:44:43] stuarta: i'm doing beer/run inhouse tonight :)
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[16:45:23] justinh: bottles above the treadmill? plan!
[16:45:28] slestak: Dibblah: can the internal player take any args or config? i need to change the audio output device
[16:46:00] ajh: where in the frontend can I put a backend restart command?
[16:46:06] Saviq: slestak: then set it in mythfrontend settings
[16:46:20] Saviq: ajh: why do you want restarting the backend?
[16:47:56] ajh: because it's crashing, which then locks the frontend when it cannot reconnect
[16:48:08] stuarta: run monit on the backend
[16:48:42] stuarta: make it check it's running, and it'll restart it if it's not
[16:49:44] ajh: ok, that'll be temporary and hopefully bring it back before the frontend gives up reconnecting, but the real issue is mythbackend sucking up all the cpu and hitting 13000 context switches/sec
[16:49:55] ajh: thanks.
[16:50:04] stuarta: maybe debug it then?
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[16:50:59] ajh: what tool would you recommend? strace isn't showing anything.
[16:51:44] stuarta: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2
[16:51:47] ajh: I figured it was a dvb card related issue since that's when it started.
[16:52:03] ajh: ah, great, thanks
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[16:53:21] justinh: the backend can fall over if your signal isn't too good
[16:53:36] justinh: so I've heard anyway
[16:54:12] stuarta: tho it shouldn't
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[16:55:00] Raspberry: anybody here running MythTV on Ubuntu Hardy 8.04
[16:55:50] justinh: only the foolhardy? ;)
[16:57:01] stuarta: boom tis
[16:57:06] stuarta: +h
[16:59:03] stuarta: damn bloody epg monkeys
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[16:59:29] stuarta: fecking well started putting a : in the middle of a program name, and i've missed at least 1 episode
[16:59:55] justinh: I doubt any workaround can ever overcome every foible they dream up
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[17:08:32] fryfrog: Raspberry: not me, but how is Hardy?
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[17:09:38] Raspberry: hardy is good — Myth on Hardy = bad until I figure out how to disable the screensaver and keep it from crashing when playing HD content :0
[17:10:52] fryfrog: thats easy, screensaver at least
[17:10:53] fryfrog: hang on
[17:11:12] ajh: how well does myth cope with receiving a late stream?
[17:11:43] stuarta: ajh: what do you mean by a late stream?
[17:11:44] ajh: DTVSM(5) Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(506) desired(205)
[17:11:44] ajh: and is this an indication of that?
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[17:12:13] ajh: if the load is too high to handle a stream quickly enough.
[17:12:20] stuarta: no that mean that it found a PMT, but not the one it's looking for
[17:12:39] ajh: pmt is? :)
[17:12:55] fryfrog: humm, i thought i had something specific for screen saver, but all i have is "xset s off" and "xset -dpms" in my frontend launching script
[17:12:58] stuarta: Program Map Table.
[17:13:00] fryfrog: maybe "s" is screen saver.
[17:13:15] ajh: ok, sounds unrelated then.
[17:13:17] stuarta: indicates where the component streams of the program are
[17:13:28] ajh: oh, hrm
[17:13:45] Raspberry: yeah the screensaver didn't turn on in Gutsy ...
[17:13:59] Raspberry: I might just blow away my config and start from scratch to save my sanity
[17:14:02] stuarta: Raspberry: try disabling the gnome screensaver
[17:14:27] stuarta: it unfortunately ignores the underlying x screensaver stuff
[17:14:42] stuarta: ajh: what were you doing at the time
[17:15:06] ajh: just running, I'm going to wait for the next crash and grab some more output
[17:15:17] ajh: fair number of those errors though
[17:15:31] stuarta: do you have poor signal quality?
[17:15:49] ajh: no, all three streams are 95%
[17:15:55] stuarta: blocky video? jumpy audio?
[17:15:57] stuarta: hmmm
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[17:16:04] Saviq: stuarta: I'm getting the pmt errors as well, and have no problems with the signal
[17:16:06] ajh: no, but it's a split front/back end.
[17:16:15] stuarta: not relevant
[17:16:33] hti_pro: what all files do i need to configure or lirc
[17:16:51] Saviq: hti_pro: /etc/lircd.conf
[17:16:56] stuarta: you need 1 small chicken and a sacrificial alter
[17:17:06] stuarta: to get lirc to work
[17:17:07] Saviq: and ~/.lircrc or ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[17:17:18] ** stuarta chuckles **
[17:17:21] hti_pro: Saviq: are those the only three
[17:17:23] Saviq: sometimes /etc/default/lirc, too
[17:17:35] Saviq: depends on your setup
[17:17:38] hti_pro: Saviq: unless i use third party player of course
[17:17:39] ajh: I think the next step is swapping the E6750 into the backend box and putting the E4400 in the front end.
[17:18:01] Saviq: hti_pro: the ~/.lircrc file is 'global' for all players
[17:18:13] Saviq: it has to be set up for them, though
[17:18:51] hti_pro: i can just link ~/.mythtv/lircrc to ~/.lircrc right
[17:19:11] Saviq: yes
[17:19:28] ajh: 2008-04–12 13:19:02.509 [mpeg2video @ 0x2ba425d62590]slice mismatch
[17:19:28] ajh: 2008-04–12 13:19:02.517 [mpeg2video @ 0x2ba425d62590]Warning MVs not available
[17:19:28] ajh: are also showing up.
[17:19:56] Raspberry: stuarta: how do you disable the screensaver for a profile you're not currently running?
[17:20:30] Saviq: Raspberry: su to the user running myth
[17:20:40] Saviq: and run the config from there
[17:21:05] Raspberry: good point :)
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[17:23:23] stuarta: ajh: that shows you stream is partly corrupted. that is a symptom of poor signal
[17:24:59] ajh: So looks like a much faster CPU or multiple backends is the fix.
[17:25:51] stuarta: why do you think that?
[17:26:09] stuarta: dvb recording doesn't take much cpu
[17:26:28] stuarta: unless you are trying to record lots of program simultaneously
[17:26:41] stuarta: in which case you might saturate your pci bus
[17:26:44] ajh: Yes, 4–5
[17:26:49] stuarta: try less
[17:26:58] stuarta: to see if it goes away
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[17:27:29] TelnetManta: Dibblah: I havent installed yet, whats the most recent most stable build to use?
[17:28:07] stuarta: 0.21-fixes
[17:28:43] stuarta: unless you are capable of fixing bugs and developing don't bother with head atm
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[17:31:22] zenix: is there any tv tuner cards that support Dish Network's signal? Searched quite a bit on Google/MythWiki but the best I could find was info about Hauppauge Nova-S/UK info, nothing about US and Dish network :/
[17:31:38] justinh: my old abit kt7 & 800mhz athon copes with 10 recordings at the same time juust fine
[17:32:12] justinh: zenix: nope. no legal solution for that other than to use a Dish set top box & analogue capture card
[17:32:16] stuarta: interesting.
[17:32:23] stuarta: maybe his signal is just crap
[17:32:54] justinh: and that system is one of the worst (allegedly) chipsets
[17:33:02] zenix: great :/
[17:33:14] justinh: have yet to run into problems with via chipsets... touch wood!
[17:33:30] stuarta: and they have a crap reputation
[17:33:43] justinh: wellother than the epitomy of lameness which is their Epia line
[17:34:31] TelnetManta: stuarta: I'm running .21.2080202–1
[17:34:31] TelnetManta: stuarta: Any new features since then?
[17:34:32] sebrock: If I decide to redo my whole myth-backend... just remove the old mythconverg DB and restart?
[17:34:39] stuarta: TelnetManta: that's not a version
[17:34:42] sebrock: ... and of cause do setup again
[17:35:08] stuarta: that's the binary interface version number
[17:35:14] TelnetManta: stuarta: thats what shows up under info center
[17:35:17] TelnetManta: ah
[17:35:32] TelnetManta: theres also a 15856M number?
[17:35:42] stuarta: that's the version number
[17:36:14] TelnetManta: :-)
[17:36:48] stuarta: but that Library API version isn't even 0.21-fixes current
[17:37:12] stuarta: MythTV Version  : 16880, MythTV Branch  : branches/release-0-21-fixes, Library API  : 0.21.20080304–1
[17:37:47] TelnetManta: 0.21.20080202–1 is what it said
[17:38:29] stuarta: which is < the current library API from 0.21-fixes
[17:39:05] hti_pro: does mythtv have to be restarted after lirc config
[17:40:27] TelnetManta: I'll use fixes for sure but I just wondered if there were any new features. Not that it's a major reason to upgrade. I just want stable really.
[17:40:54] stuarta: are you already on 0.21?
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[17:41:53] TelnetManta: mythbackend --versions tell me
[17:41:54] TelnetManta: MythTV Revision  : 15856M
[17:41:54] TelnetManta: MythTV Branch  : trunk
[17:42:10] TelnetManta: Library API  : 0.21.20080202–1
[17:42:13] ajh: strange, one sat of channels vanished but I only have one videosource shouldn't all channels be on all inputs?
[17:42:20] stuarta: you are way outta date :)
[17:42:22] TelnetManta: so I would say, yes, on .21
[17:42:34] TelnetManta: figured LOL
[17:48:00] ajh: there a good list of changes from .21 to .21-fixes-latest?
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[17:48:50] ajh: anyone here have experience with EMP uncommitted diseqc switches?
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[17:52:32] fryfrog: ajh: 0.21 -> 0.21-fixes will be almost entirely stability / bug fixes
[17:53:01] fryfrog: you could probably check out the svn commits mailling list to see, but if you are running an svn stable version, keeping up with the -fixes branch isn't a horrible idea
[17:53:08] ajh: fryfrog, yes but being able to see a list will let me know if they fix my bugs or not, last time I tried I had issues scanning channels
[17:53:16] fryfrog: that said, i do it, but only update every few weeks
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[17:53:19] ajh: now I suspect it was the switch setup, but...
[17:53:33] fryfrog: ah
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[17:54:32] ajh: may just do a minimal distro backend and build from svn, wanted to get this one stable first though
[17:55:33] zippytech: when having a mythtv server with a tuner card, how good of performance should i see watching tv on that tuner card on the frontend over a 10/100 network?
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[17:57:53] stuarta: zippytech: you will want 100mb
[18:02:14] zippytech: it is currently running a t 100mb but the tv is like a picture saver
[18:02:46] stuarta: check that you are correctly timesync between the frontend and backend
[18:04:35] zippytech: only a few secs off
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[18:10:03] nwidger_: if i have a bunch of MAME roms, do they have to be unzipped to work with mythgame and just a plain old mame binary?
[18:17:04] GreyFoxx: zipped is fine
[18:17:42] nwidger_: hmmm
[18:17:47] nwidger_: well it isnt working for me :\
[18:18:05] nwidger_: and when i run in a terminal 'mame game.zip' it says it's missing a bunch of files
[18:18:11] nwidger_: but all those files are in the zip file :\
[18:18:22] nwidger_: so obviously it's not unzipping it
[18:18:35] GreyFoxx: well if commandline wont work, it wont work with mythgame, since mythgame just calls the commandline you configure :)
[18:18:43] nwidger_: i know
[18:18:53] nwidger_: so why does it work for you?
[18:19:07] GreyFoxx: something is wrong wiyh your mame?
[18:19:09] GreyFoxx: *shrug*
[18:19:15] GreyFoxx: I just compiled and installed xmame
[18:19:22] GreyFoxx: never did anything special
[18:19:26] nwidger_: does mythgame normally unzip the files automatically?
[18:19:33] GreyFoxx: no,
[18:19:35] nwidger_: k
[18:19:48] nwidger_: cause i was looking at the README and it said it required zlib to compile
[18:19:59] GreyFoxx: That's part of the game scan
[18:20:04] nwidger_: ah
[18:20:09] nwidger_: makes sense
[18:20:11] GreyFoxx: it's unzips the file to find out which game it is
[18:20:11] nwidger_: hmm
[18:20:13] GreyFoxx: yeah
[18:20:16] nwidger_: right
[18:20:40] nwidger_: well ill keep plugging away at it i guess
[18:20:41] nwidger_: thanks
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[18:22:03] nwidger_: which is more recent, xmame or mamesdl?
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[18:23:47] darkdrgn2k: is svn stablized?
[18:24:03] stuarta: depends what you mean by stabilized
[18:24:12] darkdrgn2k: is it usable...
[18:24:14] darkdrgn2k: no huuge bugs
[18:24:16] GreyFoxx: nwidger_: *shrug* I just download the source and compile whatever is the latest release on the site at the time
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[18:24:35] stuarta: darkdrgn2k: can you code and develop patches if it breaks?
[18:24:48] GreyFoxx: darkdrgn2k: You are best avoiding it for now :)
[18:25:02] GreyFoxx: Man there are a lot of tickets in trac now :)
[18:25:05] darkdrgn2k: GreyFoxx: so QT port not 100% yet?
[18:25:12] stuarta: not even close
[18:25:18] darkdrgn2k: lol
[18:25:21] darkdrgn2k: ok then...
[18:25:22] GreyFoxx: darkdrgn2k: QT port has caused a lot of instability
[18:25:25] stuarta: it works but only because of the compatibility classes
[18:25:40] GreyFoxx: well, works almost perfectly for me, but there are plenty of issues
[18:25:44] fryfrog: darkdrgn2k: nothing wrong with running the 0.21-fixes branch though :)
[18:25:51] darkdrgn2k: GreyFoxx: yeh i know.. i checked it out like a day after.... had to re-create database casue it wouldnt update
[18:26:17] darkdrgn2k: GreyFoxx: between the port and now.. its allot stabler though right?
[18:26:34] ** stuarta is running it now **
[18:26:38] darkdrgn2k: k/...
[18:26:52] stuarta: but i have a separate dev system on which to do it
[18:26:58] GreyFoxx: I moved to it last weekend on my production stuff
[18:27:05] stuarta: so i don't care if it breaks
[18:28:32] stuarta: i've done some funky stuff with my install
[18:28:43] stuarta: so that i can run svn & fixes on my dev box
[18:29:02] stuarta: so i have an additional slave backend when needed
[18:29:14] stuarta: works a treat
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[18:29:52] darkdrgn2k: well updating my svn
[18:29:57] darkdrgn2k: hopefully i wont have to nuke my db.. again
[18:30:16] GreyFoxx: just back it up
[18:30:27] stuarta: does that automatically now :)
[18:30:41] darkdrgn2k: +GreyFoxx: didnt do me any good... backed it up.. then wouldnt update my scheamas :-S
[18:30:44] GreyFoxx: I backup nightly and let myth do it too
[18:30:49] darkdrgn2k: +GreyFoxx: and i didnt have the old myth source LoL
[18:31:26] darkdrgn2k: hey stupid question, any one from toronto do OTA?
[18:33:36] GlemSom: Anyone manage to get mythweb to play nicly with audacious? Whenever I use mythweb to generate a playlist – and then send that playlist to audacious – it starts overwriting the songnames with stream=(some number)... ? (The songnames IS correctly stated in the playlist file though... But when audacious tries to retreive it again – it fails... (or so I think))
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[18:35:52] russK: I have a problem playing a DVD created with mytharchive – xine, gxine, kmplayer all cannot go beyond the menu ... anyone know how to play the DVD?
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[19:01:27] orthoevra: so whats the magic forumla to get mythstreamtv to show in mythweb?
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[19:02:53] xris: orthoevra: use mythtv 0.18?
[19:03:07] xris: or whatever the last version mythstreamtv was actually supported on.
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[19:03:27] xris: or... use 0.21 and turn on the flv player and forget about mythstreamtv
[19:03:49] orthoevra: xris: oh :( i was all excited and thought it was still supported/maintained for .21 :(
[19:03:59] orthoevra: xris: flv player do live tv?
[19:04:18] xris: not yet
[19:04:28] xris: mythstreamtv was dead a LONG time ago.
[19:04:35] orthoevra: xris: thats really why i was looking into it, have no tv in the office
[19:04:37] xris: I don't think it ever did livetv
[19:05:00] orthoevra: -Streaming of LiveTV and Recorded programming
[19:05:05] orthoevra: http://mythstreamtv.sourceforge.net/
[19:05:15] orthoevra: but looks like last version was release in 2005
[19:05:48] PatrickDK: and you could say the last release of ffmpeg, was well, it hasn't happened yet :)
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[19:07:29] xris: PatrickDK: true. but mythstreamtv hasn't been touched by its author since then, either.
[19:07:41] xris: and ffmpeg is actively developed.
[19:07:46] PatrickDK: ah ok
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[19:08:37] xris: I wanted to get in touch with him/her about working to make it easier to integrate with mythweb, but never got any replies.
[19:09:11] xris: orthoevra: we'll hopefully get livetv into the flv player for .22... it requires some changes in the backend, but those won't happen until the qt4 port is done.
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[19:12:03] orthoevra: xris: cool! it just keeps getting better and better :)
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[19:27:29] darkdrgn2k: ok i tried to update one of my old slaves to trunk i get this error on start of frontent of setup
[19:27:30] darkdrgn2k: 2008-04–12 15:26:31.355 MC::NormalizeFontSize() called, but no window
[19:28:02] darkdrgn2k: any idea?s/
[19:29:11] xris: darkdrgn2k: trunk is pretty wacky/unstable at the moment due to qt4 port
[19:29:27] darkdrgn2k: xris: yes i know,
[19:29:41] darkdrgn2k: xris: my other frontend works fine though... same source..
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[19:29:51] xris: do a clean install?
[19:30:12] darkdrgn2k: compile takes forever lol
[19:31:29] fryfrog: why are you using svn trunk?
[19:31:37] fryfrog: why not just svn -fixes branch, it is nice and stable
[19:31:42] darkdrgn2k: fryfrog: i like the features :)
[19:31:49] fryfrog: what new features are in trunk?
[19:31:52] fryfrog: besides qt4?
[19:32:04] darkdrgn2k: cleaned up myhtweb..
[19:32:17] kormoc: fryfrog, none, it's just porting and not really much benifit right now
[19:32:27] darkdrgn2k: so no idea what
[19:32:28] darkdrgn2k: 2008-04–12 15:31:29.726 MC::NormalizeFontSize() called, but no window
[19:32:28] darkdrgn2k: Illegal instruction
[19:32:30] darkdrgn2k: means :-S
[19:32:34] darkdrgn2k: missing package maybe?
[19:33:33] xris: darkdrgn2k: huh? cleaned up mythweb in trunk?
[19:33:52] xris: not much changed other than moving to php5
[19:34:28] darkdrgn2k: im comapirng it to 21
[19:34:30] darkdrgn2k: sorry
[19:34:32] fryfrog: darkdrgn2k: mythweb changes are in 0.21-fixes
[19:34:43] fryfrog: i mean, 0.21 has very nice mythweb
[19:34:54] darkdrgn2k: but experimental stuffl ike flash player :
[19:34:54] darkdrgn2k: )
[19:34:58] fryfrog: i would *seriously* consider using svn 0.21-fixes branch
[19:35:09] fryfrog: i'm pretty sure that is in 0.21-fixes, but disabled, no?
[19:35:17] xris: darkdrgn2k: me, too. onmy major diff between trunk and .21 mythweb are php5
[19:35:20] fryfrog: er, simply not enabled via web stuffs
[19:35:29] fryfrog: config file or what ever
[19:35:39] xris: darkdrgn2k: yeah.. that's all in .21
[19:36:24] darkdrgn2k: xris: new storage folders too..
[19:36:41] xris: you mean the code layout? yeah, that's part of the php5 stuff.
[19:36:54] darkdrgn2k: xris: no i ment the Storage Groups
[19:36:58] xris: that's in .21
[19:37:16] darkdrgn2k: really???
[19:37:20] darkdrgn2k: hmmm...
[19:37:26] xris: just an fyi, kormoc and I are the guys who maintain mythweb....  :)
[19:37:28] darkdrgn2k: riiight.. ti was all in 20! lol
[19:37:35] darkdrgn2k: im comparing it to
[19:37:36] darkdrgn2k: duuu
[19:37:38] fryfrog: ahhh
[19:37:47] fryfrog: yeah, 0.20 old and busted, 0.21 new hotness!
[19:37:47] ** darkdrgn2k feels slightly stupid now **
[19:37:47] xris: yes... that makes more sense.  :)
[19:38:00] fryfrog: and 0.21-fixes svn is what you want, if you are hot for teh svn
[19:38:06] darkdrgn2k: so as of 22 you started qt4 right?
[19:38:24] fryfrog: svn trunk, which in many *months* would become 0.22
[19:38:32] fryfrog: 0.21 *just* came out
[19:38:38] ajh: ok, I'm going nuts, I had this working last night but now no matter which switch port I scan, I get the same sat, when 1 and 2 should be the same and 3 and 4 should be the same
[19:38:47] darkdrgn2k: fryfrog: yes.. but i been using svn truck for like a year :)
[19:39:05] darkdrgn2k: but anyway.. my db is already upgraded to 22....
[19:39:32] fryfrog: then i guess you are in for a world of hurt
[19:39:56] ajh: and if I reverse the two inputs on the switch I get the other satellite but not the 2nd one.
[19:39:58] darkdrgn2k: fryfrog: its ok.. maybe ill have the motivation to actualy dive into the myth code, and start contributing :)
[19:40:00] fryfrog: because in my limited experience, the least stable time to be on svn trunk is right after a release, since all the held back changes go in
[19:47:06] Aval0n: mythtv uses it's own independant ffmpeg correct?
[19:47:21] Aval0n: so the version of ffmpeg on my distro or how it's configured should not effect performance?
[19:47:22] darkdrgn2k: so whats the svn command for fixes?
[19:47:48] Aval0n: svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-21-fixes/
[19:47:55] ** darkdrgn2k thankx aval0n **
[19:48:09] Aval0n: darkdrgn2k: have you compiled mythtv from source before?
[19:48:15] ajh: so, diseqc support in myth is broken?
[19:48:34] darkdrgn2k: ajh: mine seemed to work fine.
[19:49:11] ajh: I have 8 ports, 1–4 with LNB on them, inputs attached to each, and I get whatever sats are on port 1–2 no matter what one I scan.
[19:50:27] darkdrgn2k: ajh: what dvb?
[19:50:32] ajh: dvb-s
[19:50:43] ajh: on an uncommitted switch
[19:50:46] darkdrgn2k: ajh: i know some of the cx88 had a voltage problem...
[19:50:59] darkdrgn2k: ajh: but i run a commited switch.. seesm to work fine
[19:51:03] ajh: Nova-S
[19:51:09] darkdrgn2k: ajh: yes... thats the one i have
[19:51:21] darkdrgn2k: ajh: there was a voltage problem with more then 2 sats attached to it..
[19:51:26] ajh: Yeah, the committed switch worked fine, but that only gives a single output
[19:51:30] darkdrgn2k: ajh: theres a fix somewhere online...
[19:51:42] ajh: I only have 2 sats connected though, but.
[19:51:45] stuarta: what's the difference between committed & uncommitted?
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[19:52:07] darkdrgn2k: ajh: mine woudlnt work w/o the patch.. they broke it some time after kernel 6.18
[19:52:10] ajh: you can put a committed between an lnb and an uncommitted but not the other way around.
[19:52:20] ajh: dark, ugh. any idea where you saw it?
[19:52:31] ajh: I've been banging my head against this for about 20h straight.
[19:52:51] darkdrgn2k: i THINK this is it..
[19:52:52] darkdrgn2k: http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2006-June/011159.html
[19:52:55] ajh: and with a 15 week old Malamute to take care of, it's been frustrating to say the least.
[19:53:03] darkdrgn2k: ajg: i been banging my head for WEEKES until i fugred it out
[19:53:06] darkdrgn2k: i THINK thats it..
[19:53:19] darkdrgn2k: upgrade kernel.. sat stopes working
[19:53:28] darkdrgn2k: downgrade kernel.. sat works.. no diseqc
[19:53:47] ajh: ugh, ok thanks I'll give it a try
[19:54:09] darkdrgn2k: i THIKN thats the one..
[19:54:27] ajh: that's 2006 though, should have made it upstream by now you'd think.
[19:54:37] darkdrgn2k: ajh: yeh i know..
[19:54:54] ajh: I'll kick morton if he hasn't added it.
[19:54:58] darkdrgn2k: ajh: its a problem with OTHER boards that type.. its an "overload" protection your disabling. or somethign liek that..
[19:55:15] darkdrgn2k: ajh: let me check my e-mail. i SHOULd still have the mailing list post from that fix.. 1 sec
[19:56:19] darkdrgn2k: ajh: u using sasc :-P
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[19:57:47] stuarta: right ffs
[19:58:00] stuarta: the next person to mention sasc gets booted
[19:58:12] stuarta: we don't discuss it. period.
[19:58:16] darkdrgn2k: stuarta: sorry...
[20:00:47] TelnetManta: this has to be the longest compile I've ever had LOL...... Been going since like 2:30
[20:00:56] TelnetManta: slower hardware to blame I suppose.
[20:01:35] Ojg: anyone got the dvb-t side of hvr3000 to work with the 2.6.24 kernel or do i have to downgrade ?, ive tried the linuxtv's dvb drivers, with the dev.kewl.org hauppauge patch but the modules crash in mid scan.
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[20:02:42] darkdrgn2k: any one know if the hvr 1600 ( the 150 replacement) ATSC is runnin gyet?
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[20:04:00] Knopit: Any recommendation on a Mini ITX form factor main board to be used as a frontend?
[20:04:02] elg: what's an appropriate size for the hd ringbuffer?
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[20:05:08] Ojg: Knopit, the GIGABYTE GA-73PVM-S2H is quite nice if you want hdmi
[20:05:40] stuarta: and the hdmi works?
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[20:06:53] ** stuarta would be surprised if it did **
[20:06:55] Knopit: Ojg: Off to check it out right now thanks.
[20:09:02] Knopit: Haven't found full specs yet, but the brief blurbs I've read so far mention the majic words nVidia
[20:09:10] Knopit: and chipset
[20:09:19] Knopit: off to a good start
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[20:10:43] darkdrgn2k: any one awake ever to OTA HDTV in the GTA?
[20:12:08] Ojg: sorry stuarta =/ uhm if i dont miss remember we got video from the hdmi on my classm8s htpc, going to order one next week aswell so will know for sure then but its a nice MB anyway you can always get a dvi->hdmi cable
[20:12:40] stuarta: interesting
[20:14:08] Ojg: dont think there is any drivers to get audio working over hdmi yet
[20:16:46] stuarta: that would be far too helpful
[20:16:53] ajh: ugh,perhaps I should just stack switches
[20:17:06] Knopit: Ojg: Ya, this seems like a nice board. Maybe too nice for a Frontend only machine. This seems like it could be a FE/BE board.
[20:17:43] a1fa: hm
[20:17:50] a1fa: mythbuntu.. what a nice promise
[20:18:09] Ojg: hmm maybe dunno i like the specs =P
[20:21:12] Knopit: Ojg: I suppose there's no such thing as too nice for a frontend. I'm looking for some thing with a fanless heartbeat of a processor and nVidia fx 6200 or better on board
[20:21:51] Ojg: how much do you need to spend to get it ? im getting it for about 58 euro from dustinhome.se
[20:22:08] ajh: ok, don't get a malamute unless you're really really patient and experienced with stubborn pack dogs.
[20:23:00] ajh: especially with a kitten in the house, the two of them never stop running around.
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[20:26:40] Knopit: Ojg: Another good point, I might be able to find a board with exactly what I want and nothing more, and then find myself paying MORE it.
[20:27:33] Ojg: Knopit, why do you want to get something with a better graphics chip ?
[20:30:11] Knopit: You mean better than the GIGABYTE board? I don't. I'm more interested in reduced CPU, passive cooling and silence.
[20:30:54] Ojg: aight
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[20:38:52] Knopit: Ojg: Do you know how the NVIDIA GeForce 7100 is in MythTV? I haven't evolved past my 5200s which I'm pretty happy with. Yes I use the NVIDIA drivers.
[20:39:47] stuarta: mythtv != a video driver
[20:40:16] Ojg: what stuarta said
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[20:47:32] Knopit: stuarta: could you translate for me. != Does this mean lots o luck finding a good driver?
[20:47:49] kormoc: Knopit, uhh, the nvidia drivers *are* the drivers for the card
[20:48:01] kormoc: Knopit, you already said you use the nvidia drivers, so why would you want info on drivers?
[20:48:14] stuarta: not equals
[20:49:58] Knopit: kormoc: Some folks have had better luck with some drivers than others. The 5200 and associated drivers working better than the 6200 and associated drivers..
[20:50:36] Knopit: I haven't checked in a while, but I don't think that it is one driver for all chipsets.
[20:51:20] kormoc: Knopit, with nvidia cards, they all use the same driver
[20:52:09] stalks: I've used a 7800gtx and currently an 8500gt, both using nvidia drivers 169.xx, no problems
[20:52:25] stalks: 8xxx+ drivers dont support xvmc, but dont use it
[20:52:49] Knopit: Ah, this is new for me. Seriously, it wasn't the case back when I hunted down the right ones for my 5200s
[20:53:00] kormoc: Knopit, sure it was
[20:53:26] Knopit: kormoc: ok if you say so
[20:53:34] kormoc: Knopit, the same driver that runs my 5200's also runs my 6800 and my 6200
[20:54:40] kormoc: Knopit, http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . endix-a.html
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[20:56:19] Knopit: kormoc: aren't there also some "legacy" drivers?
[20:56:50] kormoc: Knopit, yes, and they're listed on that page, they're all pre-fx cards, which is why I didn't mention them, as all the cards you mentioned are supported under the unified drivers
[20:57:28] kormoc: Knopit, and they're actually the same drivers, just older versions of the unified driver
[20:58:25] Knopit: stalks: ooh I don't like this. Doesn't this mean that you are dependent on the processor to do the processing?
[20:59:12] kormoc: Knopit, xvmc only offloads a tiny bit of processing, not the entire thing, so no matter what, you still use the processor
[21:00:12] Knopit: kormoc: If I say white? Will you argue black?
[21:00:44] kormoc: Knopit, why are you here unless you want information?
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[21:01:13] Ojg: Knopit, the cards only help with mpeg2 under linux anyway, and the cpu will do the most of the work anyway
[21:01:17] a1fa: when do video previews get enabled in mythweb?
[21:01:56] stuarta: when you click the enable button in the setup
[21:02:00] stuarta: or when it's finished
[21:02:43] a1fa: :P
[21:02:53] stuarta: um, i think i'm thinking of something different
[21:03:10] Knopit: I have seen significant performance increases with xvmc, and also a great deal of reduction in cpu usage.
[21:03:42] Saviq: Knopit: yet it's only a part that's being offloaded
[21:04:01] kormoc: Knopit, I never said it wouldn't offload any, I said it wouldn't off load all of it, as you indicated you believed
[21:04:05] Saviq: and anyway xvmc does some harm to image quality
[21:04:06] a1fa: stuarta: which enable button?
[21:04:22] stuarta: i was thinking of something else
[21:04:35] kormoc: Knopit, xvmc stands for xvideo motion composition, and thus, that's what it offloads. There's a lot more to video processing then just that.
[21:05:01] a1fa: so video preview is still broken in 021?
[21:05:17] kormoc: a1fa, works for me (tm)
[21:05:27] kormoc: a1fa, there's a enable button in mythweb's settings pages
[21:05:39] kormoc: a1fa, it's session based now, but defaults on I believe
[21:06:23] a1fa: i imported my old settings
[21:06:24] a1fa: :(
[21:06:26] xris: video preview? like the pixmap?
[21:07:04] a1fa: like in recorded programs
[21:07:07] a1fa: you get to see a screenshot
[21:07:09] a1fa: of the video
[21:07:13] a1fa: i think i have premissions issues
[21:08:11] xris: ah, yeah.. that's definitely on by default
[21:08:19] Ojg: aye
[21:08:20] a1fa: i think my recording directory needs to be owned by mythtv:mythtv
[21:08:26] a1fa: :P
[21:08:29] a1fa: its not currently
[21:09:05] Saviq: for mythweb they need to be readable by www-data
[21:09:19] Saviq: but the previews themselves are generated by mythbackend, yes
[21:09:30] xris: Saviq: huh? mythweb grabs them directly from the backend via its xml/upnp interface.
[21:09:38] Saviq: does it?
[21:09:40] xris: but it does need to have its own data/cache directory writable
[21:09:44] Saviq: then sorry, I farted
[21:10:05] a1fa: :P
[21:10:08] a1fa: ok
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[21:19:08] a1fa: hey my audio doesnt work in flash streaming
[21:20:29] xris: a1fa: you probably need to recompile ffmpeg.
[21:20:57] xris: which is what that whole warning label thing says when you turned on the feature.
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[21:23:42] Knopit: Knopit: kormoc When i did i say that I believed that xvmc did all the processing. Ojg isn't MPEG 2 is still important?
[21:24:26] a1fa: yes yes yes
[21:24:34] kormoc: Knopit, you said that without xvmc you were worried that the processor would be required to do the processing, my point was you always were.
[21:24:36] Ojg: aye but mpeg2 aint hard on the cpu
[21:27:21] Knopit: Ojg: even an embedded fanless VIA EPIA models — I thought maybe these processors could do the job with the help off XvMC
[21:27:50] Knopit: * of Xvmc
[21:27:57] Thomas-: Anyone had any sound problem with DTS passthru (same with internal player and mplayer), I get clipping and distortion of the sound, reciever says DTS 3/2.1?
[21:28:10] Thomas-: (AC3 works fine)
[21:28:31] Saviq: Thomas-: have you followed the myth guide for digital audio?
[21:28:49] Knopit: At any rate the fx 7100 should work beautifully then?
[21:29:05] Thomas-: Saviq: I will doublecheck
[21:29:16] Ojg: Knopit, mpeg2 shouldn't be a problem atleast not SD dont think it could handle any HD playback tho
[21:29:43] Ojg: knopit, yes
[21:31:11] Ojg: oh sorry thought you meant via mb's with built on cpu
[21:33:40] Knopit: Ojg: I wonder what the minimum processor should be for HDTV. Any rules of thumb that you know of?
[21:34:12] Ojg: hmm 2ghz dual core
[21:34:18] Saviq: Knopit: I'd say dual core 2GHz is a must
[21:34:19] kormoc: Knopit, the via epia's use unichrome drivers to support xvmc, I don't believe that platform supports nvidia or other external video cards.
[21:35:12] kormoc: Knopit, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HD_Playback_Reports
[21:35:13] a1fa: god bless gbe networks :P
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[21:36:59] Thomas-: Saviq: yep, done everything in the guide, and it works, but I do get corrupted output on DTS... I'm downloading a DTS testtrack now
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[21:37:52] Saviq: Thomas-: I'm afraid I can't help you then, it's fine on my emu10k1 :/
[21:38:21] Knopit: kormoc: correct: as you so argumentatively point out. And so I meandered to the Mythtv-users room looking for another solution.
[21:39:39] kormoc: Knopit, as I pointed out, you still do get xvmc with the epia platform, via unicrome
[21:39:39] Knopit: kormoc: And was so pleased to see that the GIGABIT used NVIDIA chip sets
[21:40:28] kormoc: Knopit, I don't know what bug you have up your butt, but saying facts is hardly argumentative
[21:40:34] EvilGuru: Why does mythtv seem to totally dis-regard my preferred tuner option?
[21:40:56] EvilGuru: Both tuners are not recording but it picked the other one available for a recording (so not my preferred one)
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[21:42:25] kormoc: EvilGuru, there's an option to attempt to use the preferred tuner for live-tv somewhere, and it might be because the preferred tuner was recording a show previously and they overlapped for a few minutes/seconds?
[21:42:50] EvilGuru: I checked, both are idle
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[21:45:24] EvilGuru: Might try deleting the other tuner
[21:50:03] a1fa: /dev/sda1 485G 8.4G 452G 2% /
[21:50:04] a1fa: :P
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[21:54:59] Saviq: what would I need to provide to fix eit encoding for a provider here in poland?
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[21:57:17] stuarta: Saviq: fix in what way?
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[21:57:31] Saviq: in the way it would display proper characters
[21:57:57] Saviq: there's a problem with character encoding
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[22:00:15] stuarta: right, there are a number of other encoding fixes already in the eit code
[22:01:11] Saviq: yep, I noticed
[22:01:32] Saviq: that's why I asked what would I need to provide to fix 'em
[22:01:39] stuarta: there's a table which i'm just trying to find
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[22:04:55] stuarta: right eithelper.cpp
[22:05:09] stuarta: line 861 is what you are probably looking for
[22:05:28] stuarta: lines like fix[4100U << 16] |= EITFixUp::kEFixForceISO8859_1;
[22:06:10] Saviq: yeah I wonder what enoding they're in...
[22:06:35] devsforev: Hey everyone. I have a bizzare problem. I just concatenated a bunch of my 2 part movie .avi files using avimerge. Now when I go to play the files, i can't hear the audio! At first I thought it was xine, but I loaded it up in VLC and i still can't hear anything. Oddly enough, if I play the file over a samba share, it works just fine. Thoughts?
[22:06:42] stuarta: if the characters are a bit funny then they most likely aren't correctly announcing the encoding on the EIT data
[22:07:02] stuarta: hence those fixups forcing ISO8859
[22:07:44] ajh: so, since last night no matter what I do I get only port1 on the diseqc switch, it doesn't error or anything, it just won't tune to any other port
[22:12:50] Thomas-: Saviq: could you download and play this using -afm hwac3 http://www.sr.se/laddahem/MultiKanal/Dts/SURROUNDTEST_011212.zip
[22:13:01] Thomas-: or -ac hwdts
[22:13:21] Saviq: Thomas-: just a sec
[22:13:24] Thomas-: thanks
[22:14:00] Thomas-: when I let mplayer downmix it to stereo 2.0 out it works fine (but looses the surround ofcourse)
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[22:14:30] Thomas-: when I use passthrough I get :
[22:14:30] Thomas-: Starting playback...
[22:14:30] Thomas-: a52: CRC check failed!
[22:14:30] Thomas-: a52: CRC check failed!
[22:14:33] Thomas-: etc
[22:14:49] Saviq: a52 does ac3 decoding, no?
[22:15:54] Thomas-: Saviq: http://pastebin.com/m49f4142f
[22:16:55] Thomas-: if I do mplayer -ac help|grep -i dts everthing looks fine
[22:17:35] Thomas-: and It does send DTS out to my receiver on a movie I have, just get bad clipping/distortion
[22:18:36] ajh: So, can someone explain the error DiSEqCDevTree, Error: Port 1 has no connected device configured.
[22:19:26] ajh: It's really bugging me, because there IS nothing on port 1, and I'm not trying to access port 1, I'm accessing port 5.
[22:22:43] Saviq: Thomas-: I can't play that file, either... but with different messages
[22:22:47] ajh: so, myth bug?
[22:22:51] Saviq: let me try some dvd I have around
[22:23:13] Saviq: I must say I haven't tried dts since last myth install...
[22:24:38] Thomas-: Saviq: just found some info about wav files with DTS not playing ok on mplayer
[22:24:46] Thomas-: Saviq: aplay should work
[22:27:10] Thomas-: Saviq: ok, aplay worked fine for me, aplay -D spdif filename
[22:28:25] ajh: so, myth bug then I guess since nobody's blaming drivers
[22:28:54] Anduin: ajh: It could be, you should debug it.
[22:29:05] Thomas-: ok, so soundcard and receiver is ok, must try some other movie
[22:29:13] ajh: no idea where to start.
[22:29:25] ajh: it's opening port 1 no matter what the settings are
[22:29:29] Saviq: yep Thomas, works for me fine, too
[22:30:42] ajh: or does myth mean something else by port1?
[22:31:03] Anduin: ajh: diseqc.cpp: DiSEqCDevSwitch::GetPosition() and work backward
[22:32:16] Thomas-: Saviq: thanks, just tried Alien Directors cut with DTs and it seems to work ok, so must be something with the other movie I tried
[22:32:31] Thomas-: strange, worked fine with downmixing it to 2.0
[22:32:49] Saviq: good, then
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[22:35:38] natoka: re
[22:38:16] bobgill: Anyone else here have a remote with tuner that needs button to be pressed twice everytime for any function ?
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[22:44:59] AndyCap: Thomas-: with Delirium Tremens?
[22:48:10] Thomas-: AndyCap: no, 'no country for old men'
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[22:49:47] Anduin: bobgill: lirc? irw shows the same behavior?
[22:50:26] ajh: this really sucks, because it did all work properly last night, finally.
[22:55:20] ajh: does anyone know what the real difference between committed and uncommited switches are? I swapped in the committed one and it just worked.
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[23:00:25] TelnetManta: anyone know what the package is in Ubuntu to get libmad, taglib and CDDA Paranoia??
[23:00:28] iamlindoro_: http://www.vetrun.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-5718.html
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[23:00:46] TelnetManta: Trying to compile MythMusic
[23:00:48] iamlindoro_: TelnetManta: they're not a single package together
[23:01:07] TelnetManta: I know.. I guess I asked that wrong
[23:01:13] iamlindoro_: TelnetManta: apt-cache search (word) is easiest
[23:01:24] iamlindoro_: ie apt-cache search libmad will gtive you one, etc.
[23:01:27] iamlindoro_: er give
[23:01:37] iamlindoro_: make sure you install the dev packages, too
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[23:04:03] ajh: Well, I guess this EMP switch is pooched. If a replacement doesn't work suppose I'll need to add another dish and use another committed 4–1
[23:04:55] ajh: does anyone here use an Emp-Centauri uncommitted switch?
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[23:09:06] califdreas: does anyone know what this frontend message means: NVP::AddTextData(): Text buffer overflow
[23:09:29] califdreas: I get tons of those messages with some HD recordings.
[23:20:18] Anduin: califdreas: It means the captions buffer is full
[23:21:20] ajh: ok, this has got to be a bad switch, using tone gets the same results
[23:22:18] califdreas: Anduin: Do you have any idea what I can do about it? the message even appears when i have only the preview window of a recording open.
[23:22:42] clever: fuck!
[23:22:58] clever: mythbackend core dumped 7 hours ago
[23:24:14] natoka: ^^ it's software so that can happen
[23:24:30] clever: and there it blows again!
[23:25:18] natoka: and when you think that is such a problem, then use some sort of monitoring software to notify you in that case ...
[23:25:46] clever: i can just bash until it restarts on its own
[23:25:51] ajh: god I wish there was a dump and restore backend config :)
[23:25:57] clever: its not core dumping every single time i start it
[23:26:04] natoka: califdreas: probably read the source and increase the buffer size ...
[23:27:07] clever: wee
[23:27:11] clever: now the frontend froze!
[23:27:23] clever: and thawed just as i threatened it with a kill
[23:27:26] natoka: funky, how important all those transport settings can be
[23:27:31] clever: just in time for the backend to explode!
[23:27:58] clever: i suspect auto expire is totaly screwed
[23:28:00] califdreas: or maybe I should file a bug report...?
[23:28:31] natoka: califdreas: did you query google ?
[23:28:34] programm3r1: Hello. I have a recent svn mythtv build. I built it on one machine, and it runs very nicely. The other machine I wiped any mythtv settings, and each time I try to run mythfrontend or mythtv-setup, it complains that it can't reach the mysql server. Any ideas?
[23:28:40] clever: i would if it stayed up long enough
[23:28:47] califdreas: to be honest, not yet.
[23:29:07] kormoc: programm3r1, follow the directions in the documentation that tells you how to setup the mysql database for remote frontends?
[23:29:09] natoka: programm3r1: i just say mysql.txt
[23:30:04] kormoc: natoka, you mean config.xml
[23:30:23] programm3r1: ok. It must have changed since I last set up mythtv several months ago.
[23:30:28] programm3r1: I'll read the docs. Thanks!
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[23:31:55] natoka: kormoc: i should definitely seek some sleep, cause mixing up front and backend is ...
[23:32:11] natoka: so /me is off then, gn8
[23:32:16] kormoc: night
[23:32:44] califdreas: well, that was embarrassing. Thank you natoka & Anduin
[23:34:32] clever: found the source of my backend exploding
[23:34:42] clever: #12 0x0806c5f5 in AutoExpire::ExpireEpisodesOverMax (this=0x825a7a0) at autoexpire.cpp:690
[23:34:52] clever: i'll just stop using that feature for now
[23:36:33] Anduin: clever: You should update, janne fixed that a few days ago.
[23:38:04] clever: ahh
[23:38:12] clever: no need to open a ticket then:P
[23:38:20] SlicerDicer: would anybody know how to add a drive to my raid5 array so that I can expand my total space?
[23:38:32] SlicerDicer: I know that JFS is pretty simple to expand :) just not shrink
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[23:41:52] J-e-f-f-A: SlicerDicer: I think you can just do "mdadm -a /dev/sdd1"... But since I haven't done it before (just re-added a failed drive), perhaps a google is in order...  ;-)
[23:42:33] SlicerDicer: 586067072 blocks super 0.91 level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [4/4] [UUUU]
[23:42:33] SlicerDicer: [>....................] reshape = 0.0% (24128/293033536) finish=605.3min speed=8042K/sec
[23:42:35] SlicerDicer: I got it :)
[23:42:55] SlicerDicer: mdadm --grow /dev/md* /dev/sdwhatever
[23:43:04] J-e-f-f-A: SlicerDicer: Ooh, it will be finished in 10 hours... wow...
[23:43:04] SlicerDicer: mdadm --grow /dev/md* /dev/sdwhatever --raid-devices=#
[23:43:06] SlicerDicer: whoops
[23:43:10] clever: i like lvm more:P
[23:43:13] clever: its 'simple' to shrink/grow anything
[23:43:23] SlicerDicer: [>....................] reshape = 0.2% (744064/293033536) finish=382.8min speed=12722K/sec
[23:43:39] SlicerDicer: J-e-f-f-A: that was a quick look at it the time is going down as it processess
[23:45:02] J-e-f-f-A: SlicerDicer: How big are your drives?
[23:45:40] SlicerDicer: 320gb
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[23:55:46] SlicerDicer: J-e-f-f-A: I plan on going to 1tb drives beyond this
[23:55:53] SlicerDicer: no need to keep expanding my raid5 with 320gb
[23:56:05] SlicerDicer: raid5 with 1tb is plenty too I think
[23:56:12] SlicerDicer: will allow me to have 2tb of storage
[23:56:25] SlicerDicer: add another disk and I got 3tb heh
[23:56:55] J-e-f-f-A: SlicerDicer: Nice... I've got 3x500's on mine now...
[23:57:03] SlicerDicer: hehe
[23:57:17] SlicerDicer: yeah your likely pushing the same space I am with my array
[23:57:22] SlicerDicer: x4 320
[23:57:28] SlicerDicer: vs x3 500
[23:58:25] J-e-f-f-A: SlicerDicer: 932GB formatted...

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