Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, April 9th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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Ra^:

Doesn't sound half bad, GreyFoxx. I plan on ripping everything to disc as an ISO, though, so that wouldn't work for me.

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GreyFoxx:

RaYmAn-Bx: It would still work

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GreyFoxx:

It wont have to be "DVD"'s, it can be any media fiels mythvideo correctly recognizes

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GreyFoxx:

so, avi's, mkv, dvd, iso whatever

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xris:

GreyFoxx: that'll be really nice...

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ajh:

so can you make 0.21 default to a specific channel on startup vs the 'last tuned'?

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GreyFoxx:

xris: yeah

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Saviq:

why does mtv allow having channels from different inputs in one video source, when it doesn't switch the input then?

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Ra^:

I'm planning on putting a few 1TB drives in mine, so I'll just be loading ISO's. In a few years, hopefully, I'll never have to handle another disc again after ripping it. :)

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ajh:

ra, these days you get get a 500G for 85 or so, just stack those. :)

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Ra^:

I could, but I'd rather have bigger drives and less space. Just wish 1TB drives were cheaper :(

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ajh:

more drives is better anyway, not sure if myth does it yet but it should auto-balance writes

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Ra^:

true

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GreyFoxx:

There is never enough

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ajh:

with sata and tcq that'll really help I/O loading

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Ra^:

I'd love to RAID them, but then I'd have to wait for even bigger drives. I'll never be satisfied :(

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ajh:

grey, yeah but you don't want to be transcoding on one drive while streaming to the same drive, you want to do it so you're using different spindles at once.

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ajh:

you can seriously optimize your overall I/O that way

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GreyFoxx:

ajh: unless you are putting a serious hurting on the box it wont really be an issue

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ajh:

for News we used to have to run as many drives as possible, not just for size but because our filesystems sucked.

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GreyFoxx:

I can record from 12 sources at once, writing to the same raid5 array, and stream another for playback while transcoding in the background with no noticable slowdown

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ajh:

yeah, but plan for the worst case when it's not too hard.

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ajh:

yeah but raid is more than back-end storage needs, it just needs load and io balancing.

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ajh:

which is much simplet.

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ajh:

r

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GreyFoxx:

but either way, I was referring to , there is never enough space :)

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GreyFoxx:

everytime I buy more eventually it's not enough

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ajh:

yeah, for sure.

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ajh:

automating channel tuning and testing would be nice.

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ajh:

this is tedious.

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nevyn:

stuff expands to fill all availible disk space.

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nevyn:

tuning I thought was semi-automated

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nevyn:

at least for the DVB-T stuff I'm using.

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ajh:

the 'interactive', info, etc are all blank and many of them crash myth

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ajh:

oh, if you have both XMLTV and 'use on-air guide' checked, I assume it backfills missing with the EIT data and not the other way around?

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ajh:

oh and I know the crop filter is there, but is there a way while watching livetv to set that? a checkbox for 'crop x pixels on lrtb' would be nice since it's a pain to do every channel.

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Hoxzer:

What compiler version should I use to compile 0.21-fixes I'm getting segfaults if I try to access to the recordings?

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Hoxzer:

I'm using g++-4.3 and gcc-4.3 :/

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Ra^:

Hoxzer, maybe it's telling you to turn off the TV and read a book?

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Ra^:

just kidding ;)

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Hoxzer:

Needd to get this to work because MythTV is my only solution to watch TV :P

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Ra^:

:(

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Ra^:

I can't help ya, sorry :(

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Aval0n:

does myth take a while to show free space after you've deleted shows

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psm321_:

anyone happen to know why a bunch of US stations were signed-off from 5–6am (est) this morning? (just curious... never seen something like it before)

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ajh:

anyone working on making the on-screen channel editor a bit more comprehensive?

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ajh:

it seems silly to be able to adjust channel brightness, contrast, colour, hue, in mythweb but not in the on-screen editor.

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ajh:

an icon chooser would also rock, but that's a lot more work. :)

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ajh:

if nobody's doing it I might give it a go if I can manage to get some free time.

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ajh:

odd, letting it sit in the on-screen editor for awhile had the channel freeze and the NVP: Prebuffer wait error come up.

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ajh:

anyone know why this results in a locked front-end? it's obviously still running but not taking any I/O, being able to at least get back tot he menu woudl be nice.

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ajh:

so, no per-channel zoom setting yet eh? that's one feature that was really annoying on my other pvr, you had to keep changing it, having it default to what's most common on a given channel would be nice.

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markl_:

how hard is it to get good 0.21 debs

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purserj:

markl_: depends on how much time you want to put into it

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purserj:

for ubuntu?

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miles800:

Hi All, Can I run myth-tv in a window within linux?

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psm321_:

i believe so (assuming you mean the frontend)

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miles800:

I do mean the front end...

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hads:

miles800: mythfrontend -w -geometry 960x540

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psm321_:

yeah, that :)

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miles800:

hads: Thank you again:-)

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hads:

np

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miles800:

My other question is getting the tv-guide part working, can someone point me to the starting point for that?

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markl_:

purserj: yes

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psm321_:

miles800: what location?

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miles800:

Boston, Ma Over the Air ATSC

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hads:

markl_: They are in the official repo

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psm321_:

miles800: theres schedulesdirect (costs a bit of $$) or i believe the ASTC sometimes contains guide info, but i dont know anything about that

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markl_:

hads: on gutsy? my feisty box sees 0.20 but maybe it's time to upgrade

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hads:

markl_: gutsy-backports and hardy

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markl_:

hads: cool, thanks

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hads:

np

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markl_:

is 0.21 better at dealing with mp4 files?

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markl_:

i never got any sound on 0.20 with some of the ipod videos i downloaded

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hads:

Not sure, 0.21 is lots better in many ways though.

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mikeones:

my zoneminder version is 1.23.2 and is an Unknown ZoneMinder version when I --enable-mythzoneminder --zm-version=1.23.2

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mikeones:

is this still required?

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Hoxzer:

What version of gcc and g++ are you guys using when compiling 0.21-fixes ?

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purserj:

Hoxzer: what ever is on the box

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Hoxzer:

:/ Hmm, I'm really getting wierd segfaults. I think it is either faulty ram or something wrong with the compiler

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Hoxzer:

For example if go to the watch recordings menu -> segfault

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clever:

mythtranscode --buildindex --chanid 1047 --starttime '2008-04–08 19:30:00'

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clever:

from a peek in the recording dir that appears to be transcoding

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clever:

even though i told it to just rebuild the index

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kbidd:

anyone have any ideas why mythtv would not detect any sound devices on the card configuration screen? My sound card is configured, and works fine with other applications.

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ATLPeterP:

evening

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ATLPeterP:

I am trying to find a fix for a long standing bug that has started getting on my nerves. I'm running Mythbuntu 8.04 with a PVR-500 capture card. Everything is working correctly, but there is a thin line of static across the top of the screen when watching live TV. I have read it has something to do with closed captioning and the Hauppage cards, but no one has suggested a fix. Ideas?

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stoth:

see of the driver has any overscan settings.

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ffish:

is anyone using the old Firewire stack on Fedora 8?

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ATLPeterP:

K. Gotta go dig through the IVTV docs.

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ffish:

I've installed the ieee1394-kmdl package from atrpms and mucked with the udev permissions, and now my STB is gone

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ffish:

plugreport comes up empty

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J-e-f-f-A:

ATLPeterP: Just set your playback settings to crop 2% vertical and horizontal.. works perfect.

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ATLPeterP:

Thanks!

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VanessaE:

question: The driver for my capture card returns the SnR values in a format that mythtv doesn't interpret correctly. Is there a chance of adding a feature that I can use to inform mythtv of what formula should be used to translate the values into actual dB?

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J-e-f-f-A:

ATLPeterP: In 0.21, it's on the "TV General Playback" seup screen, page 2/9 ... "Vertical scaling" and "Horizontal scaling"

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VanessaE:

(for mine it's simply value/10=dB)

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mkrufky:

VanessaE: i told you in #v4l — it cant be fixed

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mkrufky:

VanessaE: most drivers report bad values, so applications should never trust it

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mkrufky:

nor should people

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VanessaE:

oh, hi mike :)

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VanessaE:

fair enough

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mkrufky:

VanessaE: mythtv reports the number exactly as reported by the card — this is not a problem to be solved my application developers

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ATLPeterP:

Thanks. Found it. Lemme go see if its happy now.

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VanessaE:

um..

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ffish:

I'm assuming from the silence that no one here has Firewire capture working under Fedora 8?

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VanessaE:

I'm confused.

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VanessaE:

if most drivers report bad values, the most sensible thing would be to correct the values returned, right?

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J-e-f-f-A:

ffish: Probably... I'm still running FC6 on my backend, and don't have any firewire sources yet anyways... ;-)

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mkrufky:

VanessaE: datasheets, NDAs etc

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VanessaE:

ah.

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mkrufky:

VanessaE: in order to fix the bad values, you have to understand them first

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stoth:

or scale them into a reaosnable window with an attenuator and amp

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VanessaE:

true.

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mkrufky:

and very few people do

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ffish:

Firewire is kind of a last resort. Comcast encrypts all the digital channels so a QAM capture card doesn't work, and I can't get a stable OTA signal.

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mkrufky:

exactly.... most people would have no idea what stoth just said :-P

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J-e-f-f-A:

ffish: I'd bet you that the firewire output is also 5c encrypted...

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ffish:

only some channels

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VanessaE:

Would I be correct in guessing that no standard has been set for the values that would be given to the ..

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VanessaE:

yeah, what stoth said.

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J-e-f-f-A:

ffish: Where are you located then?

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mkrufky:

your card reports snr in dB — thats all you need to know :-)

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ffish:

J-e-f-f-A: near San Jose, CA

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mkrufky:

it would be nice if all cards did that

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ffish:

and really only the movie channels are encrypted out of the firewire port

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mkrufky:

and i would like to make that happen... but, to be honest, i doubt i'll have the time or drive for it

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ffish:

the HD stuff is pretty clear

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mkrufky:

nor do i have the knowledge of every chip

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VanessaE:

see that's where I'm getting lost.

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J-e-f-f-A:

ffish: Nice area... Humm, just keep in mind they could turn on the encryption at any time...

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ffish:

and I can live with getting the occasional SD movie over an S-Video cable

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ffish:

technically I'm only looking for the HD versions of the OTA stuff

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ffish:

which, from what I understand, they're not allowed to encrypt

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VanessaE:

the card returns values of the range 0x7f for crap stations to about 0xd0 for a good signal. That translates to 12.7dB and 20.8 dB respectively, by the formula you gave me earlier.

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VanessaE:

yet mythtv reports 2.1–2.2dB where your math says I should see values around 12–13dB.

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VanessaE:

see my confusion?

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ffish:

and it's a nice area if you're willing to fork over a few thousand a month for rent :)

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stoth:

go and look at the code, if you don't like it, fix it and submit a patch to the myth devs.

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J-e-f-f-A:

ffish: I live in the Boston area... in/around boston it's 2K+ ... My house is about 20 miles west of boston, and my mortgage is $1900/month...

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ffish:

but under the new FW stack I was at least able to run test-mpeg2 and get stuff

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ffish:

going back to the old stack I can't even get plugreport to print anything

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psm321_:

are SnR values a digital-only thing? if not, where do i find them?

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VanessaE:

Mike's right though, if there's that much inaccurate data out there, then Myth shouldn't trust what it receives.

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ffish:

and (a) you have a house, and (b) it's less than $2k/month, so at the moment you're doing better than me :)

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stoth:

ffish: and he maybe hets decent HD ATSC signal.

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J-e-f-f-A:

VanessaE: Is this a digital tuner?

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VanessaE:

yes, it is.

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VanessaE:

ATSC, specifically.

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** iamlindoro thinks of mentioning he lives in San jose and gets 70+ channels via QAM, but thinks better of it **

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kdub:

people that get clear qam suck

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ffish:

iamlindoro: I'm in Slumbervale :)

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stoth:

A friend of mine gets comcast on the west coast and all of the digital cable is unencrypted.

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iamlindoro:

and I get 100% of everything via firewire har har har

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VanessaE:

my point is, either the value I see with azap is not the actual SnR value that MythTV is reading from (e.g. some other register), or MythTV is doing some math on the value it gets.

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J-e-f-f-A:

VanessaE: Can't you set myth to accept a '2db' signal in the card setup?

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mkrufky:

VanessaE: ah... i was away for a minute

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ffish:

I just have a knack for getting dickish comcast people

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VanessaE:

which is the case?

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kdub:

i get only locals on qam and firewire

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mkrufky:

VanessaE: can you try something?

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VanessaE:

sure

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ffish:

I don't even get locals over QAM

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mkrufky:

VanessaE: while myth is running and you see that snr reading, can you open another shell and run "femon" ?

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kdub:

is that legal?

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VanessaE:

sure, sec.

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mkrufky:

VanessaE: and tell me if the value is the same

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ffish:

tried a QAM card, tried just plugging my TV (with a QAM tuner) into the wall .... nothing

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iamlindoro:

ffish: you're the first person I've ever heard of in the bay area not to get a ton via QAM

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VanessaE:

well, not 'sec'. I'll need to reboot and get back to you in a few minutes (I've been futzing with the analog side, so digital is broken temporarily :) )

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VanessaE:

brb

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ffish:

kdub: possibly not. but the last time I called Comcast the tech support guy threatened to call the cops on me if my TV got HDTV when I plugged it into the wall

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iamlindoro:

ffish: did you set the right modulation and let the scan complete (ie channel 2 is actually on channel 102 or so via QAM)

[02:28:38]

ffish:

iamlindoro: yep

[02:28:47]

iamlindoro:

ah well

[02:28:54]

** iamlindoro goes back to watching TV **

[02:29:12]

ffish:

even had a friend haul over his mythbox from Mountain View ... nada

[02:29:20]

stoth:

ffish: You should get azap lock with a QAM card though, right?

[02:29:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

ffish: yeah, they're supposed to have the digital locals in the clear...

[02:29:34]

ffish:

J-e-f-f-A: oh I know

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ATLPeterP:

J-e-f-f-A: That fixed it. Thanks!

[02:30:26]

ffish:

each time I got a signal lock, but no data stream

[02:30:34]

ffish:

well, except for the music channels

[02:30:38]

ffish:

(woo hoo)

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stoth:

sounds like a driver bug

[02:30:53]

Eemak:

i must be missing something

[02:30:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

ATLPeterP: Yeah, it's still there on the recording, you just won't see it on playback with the crop settings. (You might still see it on the top of the flash streamer in mythweb)

[02:30:58]

ffish:

stoth: in my Mythbox, my TV with a QAM tuner, and my friend's mythbox?

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Eemak:

this didn't used to do this, but i am playing back a recording and every 20 seconds or so the video stops for a second

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ffish:

it's almost certainly on Comcast's side

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VanessaE:

there.

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ffish:

anyway, the FireWire wiki page hasn't been updated in over a year and I can't figure out why plugreport has gone blank on me

[02:31:42]

VanessaE:

now let's see what this does.

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stoth:

ffish: No I assumed you meant that the card was locking but wasn't delivering transport.

[02:31:57]

ffish:

ah, yes

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ffish:

ok, when I insert the old-stack firewire modules I am seeing lines like "ieee1394: Host added: ID:BUS[0–00:1023] GUID[0090270001bbe95c]"

[02:32:58]

ffish:

but plugreport comes up empty and mythtv-setup doesn't see anything either

[02:33:14]

ffish:

even after I tweak permissions and even running plugreport as root

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ffish:

nada

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ATLPeterP:

Now I just need to find the proper modeline for my tv and I will be in business

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kdub:

heh

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kdub:

"just"

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VanessaE:

Ok that's a bug... if you hit escape to exit tv mode, and you have the dialog enabled, and it then reports that it cna't get a signal lock, mythfrontend hangs and has to be killed.

[02:33:57]

VanessaE:

anyways..

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iamlindoro:

ffish: What's your ZIP?

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califdreas:

stoth: Hey, thanks for finishing the hvr-1600 driver :) now I can look into selling my avermedia ;)

[02:34:15]

ffish:

94086

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ffish:

iamlindoro: yours?

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CyberKnet:

Anyone here run a firewire input on fedora? I'm having some setup issues.

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ffish:

ha!

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CyberKnet:

fedora 8, that is.

[02:34:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet, meet ffish... ;-)

[02:35:08]

mkrufky:

VanessaE: instead of exiting full screen, you can ALT-TAB to your other window, leaving myth full screen in the background

[02:35:08]

kdub:

heh

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** CyberKnet meets ffish **

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kdub:

its a pain in the ass

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VanessaE:

[02:35:18]

VanessaE:

there you go.

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iamlindoro:

ffish: Something is fishy, dude-- I think you may have been doing something wrong-- http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineupui . . . stcode=94086

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: He's having the same issues as you... ;-)

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stoth:

califdreas: yeah, it's been a long time coming.

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CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: Aha. :)

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iamlindoro:

ffish: Also, reports from your zip and 94087 from this month on AVS forum talking about the QAM stuff they're getting from Comcast

[02:36:01]

VanessaE:

the signal is pretty much unwatchable right now.

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mkrufky:

VanessaE: ok.... the formula that stoth and i gave you applies to the value that femon reports.....

[02:36:18]

VanessaE:

right, I assumed it did.

[02:36:23]

CyberKnet:

The STB is registered with firewire, and the STB says the firewire port is enabled... but I get zero byte captures from test-mpeg2

[02:36:46]

CyberKnet:

the stb also says that 5c and copy once are not present

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mkrufky:

VanessaE: then i go back to my original statement from when we spoke last week... mythtv is reading it wrong

[02:36:53]

CyberKnet:

it's a free to air HD channel.

[02:36:53]

VanessaE:

exactly.

[02:37:00]

VanessaE:

Can this be fixed?

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kdub:

CyberKnet, did you insall the old firewire stack?

[02:37:03]

mkrufky:

VanessaE: and everything else that i said since i joined this channel was wrong

[02:37:31]

mkrufky:

but still cant really be fixed :-(

[02:37:44]

VanessaE:

nutz.

[02:37:45]

stoth:

VanessaE: patch the code if you don't like it.

[02:37:47]

califdreas:

stoth: well, from reading the dvb mailing list i got the impression you're churning out drivers pretty rapidly.

[02:37:49]

CyberKnet:

kdub: That's a tricky question. I'd have to see if atrpms somehow did that for me.

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mkrufky:

VanessaE: mythtv is doing math on the value.... what YOU want is the raw value, because we did that math for you inside the driver

[02:38:18]

stoth:

califdreas: I always have something cooking :)

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kdub:

CyberKnet, there was talk of putting a kernel module on atrpms, and i think it was started, but no one maintained it

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ffish:

it's there, from what I can tell

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CyberKnet:

kdub: Hmmm...

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ffish:

even for the absolute latest F8 kernel

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kdub:

ah

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kdub:

guess i can update my kernel then

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CyberKnet:

ffish: what kernel are you running?

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VanessaE:

does 12–13 dB still qualify as "may as well be no signal" now? ;)

[02:39:39]

ffish:

2.6.24.4–64.fc8

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mkrufky:

yeah ....

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CyberKnet:

k... same as I am

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mkrufky:

VanessaE: any higher than that and you're in "bare minimum" range

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CyberKnet:

ffish: what is the package on atrpms you are seeing?

[02:40:58]

VanessaE:

lower is better?

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mkrufky:

higher is better

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mkrufky:

my mythfrontend is calling my name and wants to be watched

[02:41:07]

VanessaE:

oh ok

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mkrufky:

good luck

[02:41:13]

VanessaE:

ok, see ya

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ffish:

CyberKnet: ieee1394-kmdl-2.6.24.4–64.fc8–2.6.24.3–5.fc8

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kdub:

heh

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kdub:

who the hell named that package

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VanessaE:

a mathematician probably ;)

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CyberKnet:

Aha. I do have that package installed

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CyberKnet:

ffish: are you able to capture from the STB using test-mpeg2?

[02:42:30]

ffish:

I'm not even able to see my STB anymore

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ffish:

plugreport comes up empty

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CyberKnet:

oh.

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CyberKnet:

I at least see my STB in plugreport

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kdub:

ill spare you guys the trouble, you probably dont get shit over firewire anyway

[02:43:08]

CyberKnet:

I have a Motorola DCH3200

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CyberKnet:

kdub: I just want free to air without having to buy another card

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kdub:

man you can get a qam card for nothin

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CyberKnet:

define "nothin"

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VanessaE:

$50 for mine.

[02:44:25]

VanessaE:

well, if you don't want 256QAM anyway :)

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ffish:

kdub: see above comments about Comcast encrypting said OTA channels over QAM

[02:44:38]

CyberKnet:

Yeah... my wife is pregnant, and she wouldn't let me buy stuff when she *wasn't* ... let alone with pregnant-crazy on top of that :P"

[02:44:52]

ffish:

CyberKnet: heh. how many months along is she?

[02:45:01]

CyberKnet:

ffish: four and a half

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iamlindoro_:

ffish: see above web link showing that a Comcast scan of your zip *this week* shows 70 or so via QAM :)

[02:45:24]

VanessaE:

mkrufky-away: when you pass through again – I asked for an official word on that 256QAM confusion from both Kworld and Xceive and have as yet received no reply.

[02:45:32]

VanessaE:

I'm inclined to just take your word for it.

[02:45:37]

ffish:

ok. if you said '7' I was going to have to accuse you of impersonating me

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stoth:

3028 won't do QAM256

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ffish:

iamlindoro_: I'll give it another shot

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ffish:

hold on

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iamlindoro_:

ffish: make sure to set us-cable, QAM 256, and let the scan complete

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VanessaE:

stoth: I assume so based on my convo with mike, but some have claimed it will, so I just wanted to make sure. you know.

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iamlindoro_:

ffish: FWIW since we're getting a bunch of new channels next week, there's been some crazy engineering going on

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stoth:

It doesn't do QAM256, bank on it.

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VanessaE:

That's what the xc5000 is for, I'm guessing.

[02:47:18]

VanessaE:

(or 5500 or whatever it was)

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stoth:

y

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kdub:

i have a kworld 115, it does qam256

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VanessaE:

but what's the 115 use?

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kdub:

hell if i know

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kdub:

it worked

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califdreas:

i heard from mkrufky that the xc5000 is far superior regarding OTA reception.

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CyberKnet:

some info re my firewire problem http://www.pastebin.ca/977832

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stoth:

5000 is a fantastic tuner, highly recommended.

[02:49:24]

CyberKnet:

any ideas?

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kdub:

damn, via is going to do hardware video acceleration in linux?

[02:50:36]

kdub:

probably lying

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iamlindoro:

kdub: unfortunately at the end of the day you're stuck with a VIA ;)

[02:51:12]

kdub:

well yeah

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CyberKnet:

heh

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CyberKnet:

But it has a cool name like "unichrome"

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VanessaE:

hm.

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PatrickDK:

damn, encoding to h264 takes some cpu power

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CyberKnet:

PatrickDK: I would think so, yes.

[02:54:33]

PatrickDK:

it's like the days I encoding mpeg2 on a 600mhz cpu

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PatrickDK:

guess I just need a 16ghz cpu to do this

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VanessaE:

haha

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mkrufky:

yeah, califdreas, i think i said that in here a few months ago

[02:55:17]

VanessaE:

I don't doubt it

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mkrufky:

VanessaE: dont bother researching... the xc3028 can not do qam256, end of story

[02:55:32]

VanessaE:

mkrufky: Ok. fair enough.

[02:55:47]

califdreas:

yup. i have been trying to get my hands on a cheap pinnacle 800i ever since.

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mkrufky:

VanessaE: other components on that card are capable, but the entire system is only as strong as its weakest link

[02:55:53]

VanessaE:

right.

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mkrufky:

if the tuner cant receive QAM256., then the card cannot receive QAM256

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VanessaE:

It's not a big deal. I'm easily confused, so I just wanted to be sure. :)

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mkrufky:

i am sure

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mkrufky:

others are sure

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mkrufky:

hopefully thats sure enough

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kdub:

are you sure?

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mkrufky:

(for you) :-P

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VanessaE:

yep, that's sure enough. :)

[02:57:03]

VanessaE:

:p

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PatrickDK:

qam2048? :)

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CyberKnet:

should bcast_connection be set to 1 in plugreport after I run plugctl -n 1 "oPCR[0].bcast_connection=1" ? Because I don't see it changing... it stays zero in plugreport

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iamlindoro_:

CyberKnet: No. It won't change. All that matters is that you get firewire_tester to work in one of the modes and use that mode in mythtv-setup

[03:04:57]

iamlindoro_:

CyberKnet: If you use broadcast then the mpeg2 tester won't work

[03:05:11]

CyberKnet:

iamlindoro: Aha. very useful info

[03:05:24]

CyberKnet:

firewire_tester works fine in broadcast

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CyberKnet:

I figured since test-mpeg2 didn't work that I should fix that before progressing to myth

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iamlindoro_:

CyberKnet: Nope, no need

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iamlindoro_:

just make sure you have permissions set right on /dev/raw1394 and more on

[03:06:33]

iamlindoro_:

er move on

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** VanessaE watches google have a heart attack. **

[03:11:16]

PatrickDK:

google?

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PatrickDK:

I'm just waiting for iamlindoro to

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VanessaE:

for a minute there I couldn't reach it.

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iamlindoro:

PatrickDK: This is why I run 50 miles a week, to counteract the Yarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgghh ;)

[03:12:42]

Asacarn1:

i'm looking to build a cheap HDTV capable mythtv box

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Asacarn1:

i'm wondering if a sempron would be a suitable processor, or if i should try to save money elsewhere

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PatrickDK:

asacarn, yo uneed help then

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** CyberKnet gets busy in mythtv-setup **

[03:13:19]

PatrickDK:

I wouldn't go with less than 5ghz of cpu power

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Asacarny:

PatrickDK: i've been looking for a guide but i couldn't find a recent one

[03:14:52]

PatrickDK:

asacarny, it isn't hard anymore

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PatrickDK:

just a good dual core 2.4ghz or faster, fast fsb, and a video card able to do over 12gbyte of transfer (pretty much any in the last 2 years)

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iamlindoro:

where video card = nVidia or Intel :)

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Asacarny:

dual core is necessary?

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PatrickDK:

or a 5ghz cpu

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PatrickDK:

but I haven't seen them selling any

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VanessaE:

maybe he needs a 6.8 GHz cpu ;)

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PatrickDK:

my 2.8ghz p4 can't play back hd

[03:17:13]

PatrickDK:

my 3.4ghz can sometimes, but mostly no

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VanessaE:

my AMD 64x2 3800+ seems to handle full HD well.

[03:17:32]

Asacarny:

yikes — and i want to record...

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PatrickDK:

record is easy

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PatrickDK:

if your not doing transcoding

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Asacarny:

oh does it just cat the stream to the hard drive?

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VanessaE:

record and playback – i.e. live TV.

[03:18:06]

PatrickDK:

record = copy to harddrive, no cpu needed

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Asacarny:

oh interesting.

[03:18:49]

Asacarny:

so what is it about hdtv that overwhelms the processor so easily? can i step down to 720p and make things better or must it decode 1080i?

[03:18:56]

Asacarny:

errr 1080p. whatever

[03:19:14]

VanessaE:

the frame size and rate is the big factor really

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PatrickDK:

heh, you have to decode 1080i, deninterlace it into 1080p

[03:19:22]

PatrickDK:

then resample it into what video res you use

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VanessaE:

(and their accompanying common bitrates)

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Asacarny:

oy!

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Asacarny:

so how will i know if my processor is fast enough??

[03:21:37]

VanessaE:

if you start dropping frames, you'll know. :)

[03:21:41]

CyberKnet:

lol

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VanessaE:

(or get corrupt streams)

[03:22:02]

Asacarny:

oh i think i found something

[03:22:11]

Asacarny:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#Example_CPU_Savings

[03:22:14]

VanessaE:

just get the fastest thing you can afford for this purpose.

[03:23:01]

Asacarny:

it sounds like with xvmc i don't need much

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PatrickDK:

if you wish to use xvmc

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PatrickDK:

and will xvmc even speed up hd?

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iamlindoro_:

XvMC should be avoided like the plague

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Asacarny:

oh it's bad?!

[03:23:51]

PatrickDK:

yes

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Asacarny:

hrm

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Asacarny:

this is so complicated?

[03:24:37]

Asacarny:

sorry to ask so many questions... what's so bad about it?

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iamlindoro_:

Just buy enough CPU and an nVidia card, it's as simple as that

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PatrickDK:

it only speeds up what it was designed to speed up

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PatrickDK:

it;s hardware

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CyberKnet:

hmm... I have a green screen on the firewire input and REALLY slow audio

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PatrickDK:

and all of that hardware is very badly dated

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PatrickDK:

plus you lose a crapload of features when you use it

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PatrickDK:

cause now the hardware does it, and myth can't control that

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CyberKnet:

but my cpu is only at 89%... not pegged

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** CyberKnet tries to schedule an HD recording and view it on another machine **

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PatrickDK:

I need to figure out how to make some new searchs for mythweb

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wagner:

new searches... as in new canned searches?

[03:27:57]

PatrickDK:

yep

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VanessaE:

ok..my ISP is getting an earful when I cancel next week.

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** VanessaE grumbles. **

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VanessaE:

"Recent NVidia cards have support for full MPEG-2 offload (iDCT + MC)"....

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VanessaE:

Can mythtv make use of this? (XvMC I think?)

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CyberKnet:

files captured from firewire are actually MPEG2 files, correct?

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CyberKnet:

via a set top box in myth, of course.

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J-e-f-f-A:

VanessaE: Yes, nvidia supports XvMC – but with the nvidia binayr driver.

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VanessaE:

ok

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wagner:

VanessaE, is this HD content or a low powered frontend?... otherwise its not really worth the effort

[03:38:11]

VanessaE:

that'll save a little CPU on high def then.

[03:38:19]

VanessaE:

in my case? full HD content.

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wagner:

CyberKnet, in the US, it should all be mpeg2... i think in europe and other areas with DVB, it may be mpeg4

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J-e-f-f-A:

VanessaE: Only if it's US ATSC, which is MPEG2 currently...

[03:39:04]

VanessaE:

yep, it is.

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CyberKnet:

wow. I see HD content... but dropping frames, so not enough CPU

[03:39:09]

CyberKnet:

:

[03:39:11]

CyberKnet:

:|

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CyberKnet:

well, I never see 100% cpu in top ... but close, 90%

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VanessaE:

CyberKnet: receiving a live stream?

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CyberKnet:

no, playing back a stream I just recorded

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: How fast is your cpu?

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wagner:

my frontend Ath64 3200+ runs decodes 1080i video just fine without XvMC, but its only outputting at 640x480 so i dont know how that would change with a real TV

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CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: SOOO ancient :)

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VanessaE:

Now I see why I avoided using XvMC: "Standard XvMC [....] does not work well with HDTV sized frames"

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VanessaE:

says mythtv.

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CyberKnet:

AMD Athlon 1.293Ghz... :)

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VanessaE:

does not work well, how exactly?

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CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: Do you think it has what it takes to decode HD? :P"

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Asacarny:

VanessaE: where'd you get that quote?

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J-e-f-f-A:

VanessaE: I was playing back 720p with a 1GHz PIII ... but at something ilke 1152x768 resolution... lower would skip badly...

[03:42:34]

VanessaE:

Asacarny: from mythfrontend.

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VanessaE:

In the playback settings, when editing the profile I use for HD streams, it says this when you select "Standard XvMC" as the "Decoder".

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: I'm amazed it's working as well with that cpu... alhough I had 720p working on a PIII ^^^ as mentioned above...

[03:43:42]

** CyberKnet looks to see what Socket A cpus are still available at retail **

[03:44:08]

CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: It plays for a second, then pauses a half second.

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kdub:

man you can get a dual core amd with a motherboard for $60 at frys

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** J-e-f-f-A still has some socketA motherboards and cpus... ;-) (I'm a techie pack-rat) **

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kdub:

forget socket a

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: What resolution? did you say 640x480?

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kdub:

oh wait, pregnant wife

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CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: It's going out over SVideo on my nvidia 6200

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** J-e-f-f-A wishes they had Fry's on the east coast... :-( **

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CyberKnet:

let me check the resolution

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PatrickDK:

J-e-f-f-A, I just put my socket370 stuff in the trash last weekend

[03:45:34]

wagner:

my spare box is a socket a, my sister still runs a socket a, ive got a pair of socket 370s managing my network

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wagner:

unless you have a slow... SLOW.... computer, XvMC is not needed for anything less than HD resolutions

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J-e-f-f-A:

My son's computer is an Athlon 1700, w/512mb ram and a fast video card. Still pretty quick with XP...

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J-e-f-f-A:

My winblows desktop is an AMD XP 2500+, my myth backend (the impoartant one) is an Athlon 64 x2 4600+ w/2GB ... ;-)

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PatrickDK:

I have two 2.8ghz box's for free, only cost me $50 to order new capacitors and replace them on both motherboards

[03:47:04]

PatrickDK:

so each kid is going get one, for their workstation/mythtv box

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VanessaE:

heh. xvmc does no good for me here. figures.

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wagner:

and dual core anything isnt really useful for a frontend at the moment

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J-e-f-f-A:

PatrickDK: Good deal... and good thing the bad caps didn't fry the cpu...

[03:47:21]

wagner:

as far as i know, everything is single threaded

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VanessaE:

sure it is

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PatrickDK:

J-e-f-f-A, they both have been running for 3 weeks now, 24/7, encoding stuff to h264 :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

VanessaE: Do you have a dual-core cpu? (forgot if you mentoned...)

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wagner:

unless you have the backend on the same machine

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VanessaE:

I can get myth to use ~90% of both cores while encoding in realtime from analog input to mpeg4

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VanessaE:

yes, I have, Jeff

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CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: I don't see a modeline in my xorg.conf ... so I assume it's running native ntsc?

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ffish:

ok

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J-e-f-f-A:

VanessaE: Try setting the decoding to use both cores – it may help...

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kdub:

no CyberKnet, that just means it is running some standard modeline

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VanessaE:

I already did

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VanessaE:

it's not a problem here mind you

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VanessaE:

I was just playing around with it.

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ffish:

so the verdict is that I can only get the OTA channels in HD using QAM

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kdub:

the only reason you would use a custom modeline is to compensate for overscan or if you TV is retarded

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wagner:

cyberknet, the x server probably defaults to 640x480, the video card handles all conversion to TV formatting

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ffish:

all the other HD channels are encrypted

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: What OS are you running?

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CyberKnet:

Fedora 8, in KDE

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ffish:

which is odd, since I was able to capture them using firewire (before I broke firewire by loading the old modules)

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wagner:

ffish, a few weeks ago, i spent about 6 hours scanning my cable, only to find that i get double the channels OTA

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ffish:

OTA doesn't come in too clear where I am

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PatrickDK:

my wife is seriously thinking about getting digital cable

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PatrickDK:

I think it's a mistake :(

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wagner:

OTA comes in clear, or it doesnt come in at all

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: Ok... check it with 'Start' -> Administration -> Display

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wagner:

digital OTA anyway

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CyberKnet:

1024x768

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ffish:

anyone have any ideas why dmesg would show success on loading the old firewire stack, but then fail to actually see the STB from userspace?

[03:51:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: Ok, that's probably the max resolution the TV encoder will handle....

[03:51:46]

VanessaE:

digital cable is a waste of money.

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kdub:

digital cable usually costs the same as regular cable

[03:52:04]

VanessaE:

any amount of real action just turns the picture into a jumble of macroblocks.

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CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: I suspect more CPU is in order to play back this stream.

[03:52:23]

kdub:

only on the heavily compressed channels

[03:52:25]

wagner:

VanessaE, that depends on the cable company

[03:52:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: If you had a computer monitor atached instead, I'd say pump it up as high as your monitor will go, and that will help with the hidef decoding belive it or not — xvmc seems to do better at scaling UP than down...

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kdub:

watch ESPN, it seems to be the least compressed channel

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VanessaE:

true

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VanessaE:

espn?

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wagner:

comcast has recently started recompressing their HD channels to cram more in

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VanessaE:

*shrug* not my cup of tea

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CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Yeah... worst part is I'm output to a HDTV but the card has no DVI out

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CyberKnet:

and the TV has no VGA in

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PatrickDK:

heh, well your half screwed :(

[03:53:50]

CyberKnet:

yeah, kinda :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: (was just gonna ask that...) Does your tv have component inputs?

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wagner:

so spend $20 and grab an old AGP card with DVI out from a bargin bin

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CyberKnet:

Yep.

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CyberKnet:

I have a spare component in too.

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PatrickDK:

time to upgrade to that 6200 with component out :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: The card will probably output in component output, but would need an adapter cable for the hd15 to component rca...

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CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: I'm interested in where you're going there...

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wagner:

jeffa, no

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kdub:

asdf

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VanessaE:

ick. I just looked at top. 27–29% CPU for mythtv...and another 50–60% for X to watch an HD stream. So much for video accelleration :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagner: CyberKnet Humm... Guess the 6200 won't do it — but I'm sure there's a low-end nvidia card that will do component output...

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wagner:

component video is YPrPb, which VGA out is YCrCb

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PatrickDK:

heh? my 6200 has component output

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VanessaE:

thank G*d for dual cores.

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wagner:

you can get adapters for VGA to something that looks like its component, but they dont work like you expect

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CyberKnet:

I wonder if my tv supports YCrCb on the component ins

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VanessaE:

since when was VGA anything but straight RGB?

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wagner:

as far as i know, the only devices that support such a cable are some older expensive projectors

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J-e-f-f-A:

VanessaE: Many newer cards can be electronically switched to output compnent signals on the RGB pins, and use an adapter cable to convert to the rca outputs.

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wagner:

i looked into this after being disappointed by a vga --> component cable i picked up off monoprice

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VanessaE:

ahh

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VanessaE:

I'd never heard of that before.

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wagner:

j-e-f-f-a: any links describing the process?

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ffish:

so why, exactly, doesn't myth support/use the newer firewire stack?

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PatrickDK:

J-e-f-f-A, on my 6200, instead of having svideo output, it's a plug for component output

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wagner:

partickdk, my 6200 is similar

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: Take a look at your s-video jack — does it have more than 4 pins on it?

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kdub:

ffish, because no one has updated it yet

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: (er, socket holes for pins...)

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wagner:

the svideo-looking output is a custom connector to a breakout box with component and composite

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kdub:

plus i dont think the new firewire stack is complete

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ffish:

kdub: the newer stack has a different userspace API?

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kdub:

yeah i dont know what that means

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CyberKnet:

"Your comonent outputs may be labeled Y-CB-CR. In this case, connect the components CB output to the TV's PB input and the components CR output to the TV's PR input"

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagner: Yeah, but it may be a standard size din plug, with 9 pins or such, which 4 are in the standard 'svideo' pin locations, thus it could work for 'both'...

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kdub:

i just know what i read on the mailing list

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CyberKnet:

show do you interpret that?

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wagner:

mine doesnt have the square plug needed for directly connecting svideo

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wagner:

four pins, plus a square looking thing

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: Basically — "Y-PB-PR" = "Y-CB-CR"...

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CyberKnet:

only four pins on the svideo out

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CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: four pins

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: Ok, it's just S-video then... :-(

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CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: But I did see a DVI connector back there on the card :P

[04:04:11]

CyberKnet:

*cough*

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CyberKnet:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: So... then you just need a DVI->HDMI adapter then... ;-)

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CyberKnet:

so it would seem.

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CyberKnet:

And a faster CPU still

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: You probably have the same card as me... mine is a PCIe GeForce 6200 LE — 1 HD15, 1 S-Video, and 1-DVI..

[04:05:15]

CyberKnet:

I have a sick feeling I'll have to do almost a whole box upgrade to do that though :(

[04:05:21]

CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: it's a 6200 OC

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kdub:

whole box upgrade, sounds like a plan

[04:05:34]

CyberKnet:

but the outputs look the same

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wagner:

whats the purpose of OCing a 6200...

[04:06:02]

CyberKnet:

wagner: The card was free, and ships like that... I didn't complain :)

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CyberKnet:

the model is "6200OC"

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wagner:

fair enough

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: You might be suprised... Like I said, I was successfully playing 720p on a PIII with XVMC – it stuttered with the OSD, but played perfectly otherwise... But i was running my monitor at a high resolution – xvmc seems to work better scaling UP...

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wagner:

im not sure where i came across the YCrCb stuff... but thats wrong

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CyberKnet:

"that's wrong" ... what's wrong?

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wagner:

either way, the RGB signal on a HD15, and the YUV signal for component and not compatible, and nothing short of a scan converter will make it work

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wagner:

saying your computer outputted YCrCb was wrong

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CyberKnet:

yeah... well, since this has DVI I'll go that route and try and locate a good modeline for my TV to drive natively

[04:08:06]

CyberKnet:

lose the TV-Out quality loss

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagner: There are some cards that can be switched to output component video on the vga connector... I haven't seen one in a while, but they do exist...

[04:08:13]

wagner:

or like the other options, you just get a card with dvi or component out

[04:08:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagner: He has DVI, but he didn't realize it... ;-) (the 2nd output on the card)

[04:08:35]

wagner:

jeffa, ive never seen that, although ive never actually looked for it

[04:08:51]

wagner:

do you know an approximate time frame, or card generation?

[04:09:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagner: I'm googling now to find one...

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kbidd:

any thoughts on why no sound cards would show up in the mythtv-setup card configuration? I have sound working in other apps.

[04:11:27]

wagner:

other applications use ALSA, while mythtv wants OSS, or at least OSS emulated by ALSA

[04:11:35]

wagner:

basically, it wants a /dev/mixer

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kbidd:

wagner, awesome... thanks... didnt realize that

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagner: I found a page about a vga-> component adapter, which one user notes "doesn't work on most hdtvs because the component input is yPbPr while this cable is RGB. If I remember some nvidia cards support converting the signal to yPbPr by choosing component output in the driver.

[04:12:53]

wagner:

i found some forum talking about some hacked radeon drivers that allowed outputting of yprpb over HD15

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kbidd:

wagner, is there any disadvantage of using alsa-oss over just plain oss?

[04:14:01]

wagner:

alsa is advanced (linux sound architecture)... is OSS still being developed, and drivers written for it?

[04:14:35]

kbidd:

that sounds like a disadvantage of oss over alsa-oss

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CyberKnet:

Hmmm... the TV manual says it expects 1280x1080 resolution

[04:15:08]

kbidd:

hmm... still doesnt show up even after installing alsa-oss

[04:15:43]

wagner:

one of my biggest (and ongoing) issues with mythtv is getting sound to work

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kdub:

1280x1080? what the hell kind of TV is that

[04:16:06]

wagner:

alsa works just fine, but it doesnt always like emulating oss

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CyberKnet:

Hitachi P50H401 50" plasma ... 1080i they call "HD1080"

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kdub:

ah

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wagner:

we've got a panny 1080i plasma at work, with a native resolution of 1024x1024

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagner: I just found another post that said that 'some ati cards' could generate component output on the HD15, but not nvidia. — But I know I've seen NVidia cards with them in the past (may have been a couple of years though...)

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kbidd:

figured it out... i needed /etc/init.d/alsasound started for oss emulation to work

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CyberKnet:

Where did you guys get your modeline from?

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wagner:

you should have needed that started to get any sound

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wagner:

maybe the drivers needed to be reinitialized before the oss stuff started up

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kbidd:

wagner, nope... sound worked fine without it before

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagner: Are you running fc8? and getting an error that your sound card wasn't initialized on boot?

[04:18:30]

wagner:

i run gentoo, and the alsa-oss stuff is just finicky sometimes

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kdub:

CyberKnet, the odds of that TV taking 1280x1080 are about zero

[04:18:44]

kdub:

you will need to feed it 1080p or 720p

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kbidd:

only problem I'm having now is that mythtv is trying to expand across both of my displays (I use twinview)... any way to force it to only use one?

[04:19:08]

CyberKnet:

my cable box feeds it 1080i over HDMI

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kdub:

there is no reason to send it an interlaced signal

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wagner:

cyberknet, 1080i is 1440x1080 or 1920x1080

[04:20:05]

wagner:

there is reason to send it 1080i, if it doesnt accept 1080p

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kdub:

thats a pretty new TV, im sure it takes 1080p

[04:20:50]

wagner:

i remember some modeline generator coming with xorg, but i dont remember the name

[04:21:00]

kdub:

yeah that thing is broken

[04:21:02]

kdub:

xvidtune

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wagner:

gtf maybe

[04:21:19]

wagner:

yeah, gtf

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CyberKnet:

kdub: it will take a 1080p signal, yes. It downconverts it to 1080i or 720p I think.

[04:21:40]

CyberKnet:

Don't remember what it downconverts it to.

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kdub:

it down converts to a progressive 1280x1080 image

[04:22:07]

wagner:

well it downconverts it to 1280x1080 apparently

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kdub:

reguardless of what you send it

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kdub:

its a fixed pixel display

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: The page I'm looking at says it has a VGA HD-15 input, and that it's 1280x1080 resolution... so it should accept 1080p... and pc input...

[04:23:13]

bbeattie:

I'm trying to build off the svn fixes branch and it's complaining my CPU isn't being detected right. Intel wolfsdale/Core 2 duo E8400 3.0ghz Is this expected?

[04:23:22]

CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: The owners manual I'm looking at doesnt mention a VGA input, and I've never seen one.

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: You said it's an Hitachi P50H401, right?

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CyberKnet:

either that or a P50H4011 ... not sure which

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kbidd:

how come mythtv resets my resolution every time I start it, even though I have it configured to run in windowed mode instead of fullscreen?

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J-e-f-f-A:

1

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** J-e-f-f-A ^^ oops, wrong keyboard! **

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: humm. don't see a '4011' model, but p50h401 pops up all over the place, so I think you were right the first time...

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wagner:

yeah, just feed it 1080p, and let it scale how it wants

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wagner:

im looking at the spec, it accepts 1080p on the HDMI ports just fine

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wagner:

so you just need to pick up a $5 DVI to HDMI cable

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CyberKnet:

from monoprice.com, I presume

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: Humm.. maybe they changed the specs, or maybe the revew had the model number wrong – this pdf spec sheet I'm looking at now from Hitachi syas it's got 3xHDMI, and 2xComponent... 1 Svideo,..

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kdub:

no

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kdub:

get a monster one from best buy

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CyberKnet:

kdub: lol

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wagner:

thats a joke right?

[04:28:09]

kdub:

heh

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CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: the inputs you just quoted are correct... but no VGA

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: Right... this pdf doesn't mention VGA...

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CyberKnet:

wagner: product 2404 on monoprice does the job, doesn't it?

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: So get a DVI->HDMI cable or adapter, and feed it 1280x1080, or standard 1080p.. ;-)

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wagner:

cyberknet: thats a pretty thin cable, you may want to get something a bit lower gauge

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wagner:

and feed it standard 1080p, if you try to get it 1280x1080, it may look better in the end (if it works), but youre going to have to fix a mess of scaling issues on the computer

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CyberKnet:

it's either 28AWG or 24AWG... those are the only ones they have in shorter lengths

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: 24awg is a 'bigger' cable...

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CyberKnet:

yeah... I get that :)

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wagner:

yeah, pay the extra $1 for 24 gauge

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wagner:

better to spend a bit more, than to get everything hooked up and find that your area is too electronically noisy

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CyberKnet:

extra 3.25 :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: (the smaller the number, the larger the cable...;-) Your starter cable on your car is probably 4 guage for example...)

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CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: Yep, I know how guages work... I just didn't figure the difference between 28 and 24 was that much.

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CyberKnet:

But wagner is right. why quibble over 3.25.

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CyberKnet:

get the lower guage cable and be happy :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Well, goodnight guys... it's way past my bedtime... Gotta work in the morning... :-( ZZZZzzzzzz.......

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CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: you think that 6200OC can drive 1080P?

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: Sure, I don't see why not...

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CyberKnet:

k

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CyberKnet:

just curious.

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CyberKnet:

nite.

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wagner:

the 6200 will do full single-link resolution

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wagner:

so up to 1920x1200

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: Like I said, you'll probably be able to play HD with your current CPU with the output resolution at or greater than the source resolution, using XVMC...

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CyberKnet:

Well, it sure will be nice to have myth look crisper once the DVI->HDMI cable gets here

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CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: I may give up the color OSD again to use XvMC again then.

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CyberKnet:

I do love my color OSD though :P"

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kdub:

didnt they fix that?

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: Yeah, it's a small price to pay though... You can always buy a faster cpu though!!!!

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kdub:

actually it was just with opengl video wasnt it

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CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: Considering the pregnant wife... color menu is a small price to pay :)

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CyberKnet:

kdub: mebbe.

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CyberKnet:

kdub: me not so clued in.

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CyberKnet:

well folks, thank you for your help... I too have to head to bed.

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: And it might stutter with HD and the OSD, my PIII did, but it played smootly (720p at least) 99% of the time otherwise.. (Watched last-year's whole season on 24 on it...)

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CyberKnet:

ffish... hope your firewire fixes its self sooner or later :)

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ffish:

making progress

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CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: good to know, thanks.

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ffish:

I can see my STB again

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: Oh, forgot to mention – that PIII was a remote frontend — not a combined FE/BE...

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ffish:

I'm just not getting any data through

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: So all it had to do was frontend functions — that helped quite a bit I'm sure...

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CyberKnet:

I have combined here.

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CyberKnet:

but with a 3ware escalade raid controller

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CyberKnet:

no s/w raid

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: Yeah, it may not cut the mustard... ^^ that may help quite a bit though.... Well, all you can do is try... ;-)

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CyberKnet:

true that

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wagner:

i have combined, but with an areca 12-port over gigabit nfs

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CyberKnet:

it costs nothing to try

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: I better crash... I've got to get up in 6–1/2 hours... yikes... ;-)

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CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: ditto :)

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ffish:

arg

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wagner:

ive been trying to put the backend on the same machine as the raid

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wagner:

but ive never managed to get it compiled under freebsd

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: You in the eastern time zone too? I'm 25 miles west of Boston...

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CyberKnet:

I'm in central

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CyberKnet:

just have to be at work earlier :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: Yeah... ;-) ttyl..... G'night all.. ;-) ZZZzzz... (for real this time!)

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Justin_:

im trying to install mythbuntu 8.04 beta from disc, and it's stalling every time at 5% during Partitions Formatting — "creating ext3 filesystem"

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Justin_:

any ideas why that would be?

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Justin_:

Just doing a standard install... guided partitioning full disk

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VanessaE:

Ok. XvMC Is Not Your Friend.

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Tanthrix:

VanessaE: Indeed.

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VanessaE:

?

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VanessaE:

ah

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VanessaE:

yeah, it crashes mythtv. *shrug*

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VanessaE:

compiled out, turned off. No biggie, I have cpu to spare anyway

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justinh:

arghhh fucking 'I' and 'you' in the wiki. ARGHHHHH!

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justinh:

should just DELETE everything in the wiki which doesn't adhere to the style guide!

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justinh:

"transfer this file & open it in Excel (sorry)...".. what the... ?!?!?!?!

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justinh:

blimmin buttwizards

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justinh:

ah bollocks to it. not even worth posting to the users list about it

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VanessaE:

calm down justin

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VanessaE:

it's just a wiki for crying out loud.

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VanessaE:

(though I agree with your stance on the style of it)

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justinh:

for crying out loud it's supposed to be a repository of information :)

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justinh:

it's going down in value by the day – that's my real concern

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VanessaE:

nu, so pull out the blue pencil and get to it ;)

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VanessaE:

seriously though, you're right. "I" and "me" in a wiki article generally sucks.

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justinh:

I know it's dead easy to put things right but if people spent 5 minutes thinking about how to put things properly...

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VanessaE:

true, true

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justinh:

phwoar it's all go in here today

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Saviq:

hi again, is there any way to force aspect ratio so that fonts would look fine? I have X set up to 4:3 aspect regardless of resolution – and that works fine for tv / movies, but fonts are stretched all the time

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justinh:

DISPLAYSIZE in xorg.conf

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justinh:

or if using some versions of nvidia driver you can actually force X & Y DPI

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justinh:

RTFM :)

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Saviq:

I have DisplaySize set to 80 60 (4:3)

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justinh:

I run X at a 4:3 resolution for my 16:9 CRT TV, so hack the DISPLAYSIZE accordingly

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Saviq:

that's why tv and video look fine, only fonts in myth gui don't

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justinh:

I use separate modes for the GUI & playback now too (since I have to).

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justinh:

force 16:9 aspect for playback

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directhex:

screens with 16:9 displays but 4:3 inputs are EVIL AND WRONG.

[10:46:32]

nevyn:

altering aspect ratio is always evil

[10:46:45]

nevyn:

things should be viewd in the aspect ratio they were shot.

[10:47:03]

nevyn:

or in the aspect ratio they were intended to be viewed in.

[10:48:24]

justinh:

of course

[10:48:42]

justinh:

but a 16:9 PAL TV works just fine with anamorphic video :)

[10:49:18]

justinh:

directhex: and LCD / Plasma TVs just don't offer enough contrast. they look fake/shit (or both)

[10:49:22]

nevyn:

THAT is a different matter and something I'd be interested in if I didn't have a 16:9 display

[10:50:17]

nevyn:

pan&scan is especially evil.

[10:50:49]

justinh:

I blame the yanks for holding onto their precious 'fullscreen' out of misguided loyalty or something

[10:50:55]

nevyn:

tho anamorphic 2.37:1 4:3 pulldowns are worse.. (see seven brides for seven brothers)

[10:51:20]

nevyn:

where they show all the married couples at the and and everbody looks anemic

[10:51:50]

justinh:

course it could be worse. they could look anime-ic ;)

[10:52:27]

nevyn:

I quite like anime (hence my distaste for avi as a container :) )

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justinh:

if used with a decent codec, avi could look good. but it'd still be a shit container format

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nevyn:

bad support for subtitles and multiple audio tracks.

[10:54:09]

justinh:

s/bad/no

[10:54:39]

nevyn:

well apparently there are 3rd party addons Dagmar? was saying in his praise of it.

[10:55:08]

nevyn:

yeah so meh.

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Saviq:

damn I don't know how, but my fonts have the DisplaySize setting up the ass... only size changes, they still get stretched, though :/

[11:01:37]

justinh:

oh yeah it also helps to use the right kind of theme for your display

[11:01:51]

nevyn:

that's actually pretty important

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nevyn:

hrm so themes.

[11:02:13]

justinh:

wide screen – wide theme. 4:3 screen – 4:3 theme

[11:02:26]

nevyn:

there only seem to be the "official" themes

[11:03:01]

justinh:

so? what's wrong with mythcenter-wide? <snigger>

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nevyn:

justinh: so you did themes are there screenshots about still or did you burn them all too?

[11:08:32]

nevyn:

I mostly want a idea of what is possible cause I find the existing themes kinda.. fvwm2ish when I'm wanting enlightenment ..

[11:09:46]

justinh:

burned everything :)

[11:10:11]

justinh:

the themes are still around though – all but one of them were checked into svn ages ago & work fine with 0.21

[11:10:35]

justinh:

they belong to the community now. I'll keep chipping in when I can be arsed

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justinh:

it's a shit job but somebody's got to do it

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neztiti:

hi guys

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neztiti:

how i can get vlc to work with mythtv – by localhost:8003???? or 127.0.0.1:6543

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justinh:

huh? you can't

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neztiti:

in the same pc i mean

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neztiti:

no answer guys???

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nevyn:

neztiti: vlc can play the on disk format

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neztiti:

ok mplayer???

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nevyn:

aiui but it's gonna be really awful compared to the actual frontend client

[11:20:05]

nevyn:

neztiti: what do you want here?

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nevyn:

define "work with" more explicitly

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neztiti:

bcz xine hang 4 me now and i dont know how to kill it

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neztiti:

any idea to kill xine???

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neztiti:

nevyn: no video here man

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nevyn:

are you talking about mythvideo? or about mythtv recordings made by a backend ?

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neztiti:

mythtvvideo – no pic here

[11:23:49]

nevyn:

we're talking about mythvideo not recorded tv correct?

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DGnome:

neztiti: please write complete sentences and brush up on your spelling.

[11:25:37]

neztiti:

DGnome: ok man – i started myth as usual but no picture here – black screen

[11:26:14]

DGnome:

neztiti: so, you start the frontend and instead of a main menu you have a black screen?

[11:26:51]

DGnome:

neztiti: or does it turn black when you try to watch tv?

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DGnome:

step by step please.

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neztiti:

i can see the menu and i can change channels but no picture

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neztiti:

ok i will try again

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DGnome:

ah, so LiveTV is all black

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DGnome:

you can see the osd though

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DGnome:

and change channels

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neztiti:

yes sure

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** nevyn bangs head against wall. **

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DGnome:

does your baackend write a logfile? try to start mythfrontend from a terminal and see what the frontend "logs" to the terminal window

[11:28:47]

neztiti:

ok

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DGnome:

neztiti: and livetv worked well before?

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nevyn:

it's not just that it's using all the tuners or something?

[11:29:56]

neztiti:

yes man it works for me all the time

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DGnome:

neztiti: found a backend logfile?

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DGnome:

'ps aux | grep backend' should tell you where it is

[11:33:30]

DGnome:

neztiti: I'll assume that some sort of DVB-standard is in use so, you could also check with a program called kaffeine if your dvb-infrastructure is in order

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neztiti:

http://pastebin.ca/978197

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justinh:

that's a frontend log

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neztiti:

http://pastebin.ca/978205

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neztiti:

again

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neztiti:

yes

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justinh:

that's still only a frontend log

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DGnome:

we're going to need to see a mythbackend.log

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neztiti:

ok seconds

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justinh:

/var/log/mythtv is a good place to look

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neztiti:

http://pastebin.ca/978221

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neztiti:

DGnome: take the up

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justinh:

DVBChan(2:1) Warning: Your frequency setting (11797500) is out of range. (min/max:950000/2150000)

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justinh:

looks like somebody imported a channels.conf file rather than scan using mythtv-setup

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neztiti:

justinh: xine hang for me before i started mythtv – is this the reason for no video here???

[12:05:10]

justinh:

sheesh who are those UK ISPs kidding if they want the BBC to stump up for their network upgrades?!

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neztiti:

i have dxr3 card

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justinh:

mythtv will not work with a dxr3 card. at all.

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neztiti:

xine???

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justinh:

no idea

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justinh:

the xine homepage says yes

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GreyFoxx:

neztiti: Hehe I used one of those ones with myth, it was an ugly hack :)

[12:09:21]

GreyFoxx:

wrote an X server for it too, but lost it all in an HD crash and I had no backups of the source :/

[12:10:13]

GreyFoxx:

http://www.phaze.org/mythtv_dxr3setup.jpg << — The good old days when I had time on my hands :)

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neztiti:

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neztiti:

Ù…Ø«Ù Ø©Ø« Ù†Ù‰Ø®Øµ Ø©Ø´Ù‰ Ø§Ø®Øµ

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neztiti:

sorry

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neztiti:

wow great news man

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neztiti:

let me know how to get it works with dxr3

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GreyFoxx:

I was using a P166 as the frontend with the dxr doing all the work heh

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GreyFoxx:

but that was years ago, and no longer functions

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GreyFoxx:

neztiti: You wont be able to use the dxr3 with myth unless you start writing code for it

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neztiti:

please let me know how man

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GreyFoxx:

There is no secret

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GreyFoxx:

the code doesn't exist to do it, so you have to write it

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neztiti:

GreyFoxx: ok tell me man

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GreyFoxx:

cause the code I used has been gone for years

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nevyn:

wow.

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justinh:

pandora's box is open now. muhahahaha

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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neztiti:

GreyFoxx:how i can change the codec or the video filter like in the windows??

[12:16:39]

clever:

QMutex::lock: Deadlock detected in thread -1270404864

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GreyFoxx:

neztiti: Change what codec? The one used to store recordings?

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neztiti:

dxr3 works fine here with vdr

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neztiti:

and kaffeine

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neztiti:

and xine

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GreyFoxx:

Cause they all have special code for outputting to a dxr3

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neztiti:

but not works for me with mplayer

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GreyFoxx:

mplayer, if compiled properly will use the dxr3 as well

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GreyFoxx:

but myth does not have any code in it for using the dxr3

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neztiti:

realy i didnt succeed to get it works with mplayer

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GreyFoxx:

mplayer will work with it, if you compile it right. You have to specifically enable support for it

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GreyFoxx:

at least it worked last time I tried it 2 years ago

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neztiti:

yes all the users says works fine

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neztiti:

i have to try again later

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neztiti:

do u have any link can help me???

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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GreyFoxx:

www.google.com ?:)\

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neztiti:

ok thank you man

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neztiti:

i have to restart pc and return

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Saviq:

"ac-tex damaged" would those indicate problems with dvb signal?

[12:28:19]

justinh:

those indicate problems with recordings which look & play just fine on my box

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Saviq:

mine glitch on those :/

[12:31:06]

justinh:

hmm come to think about it I really don't have any gripes with 0.21 anymore – not since I straightened out the stupid user error :)

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jduggan:

it sucks bein a stupid user

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jduggan:

:o

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justinh:

don't set the fallback deinterlacer to one which processes more than 2 fields :)

[12:32:54]

ajh:

I'm still seeing a fair bit of instability in it, especially when dealing with channels it can't cope with.

[12:33:13]

justinh:

awww

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** justinh goes back to #I'm-alright-Jack **

[12:34:31]

nevyn:

so what's the BEST de-interlacer for 1080i content?

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justinh:

depends

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adante:

wow

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adante:

embarassing but

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justinh:

see what works BEST for you

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adante:

i only just found out myth .21 was out :3

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** nevyn found out sunday. **

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neztiti:

its ok now guys after i restarted my pc

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nevyn:

when I went to install a new frontend and it wouldn't connect to my backend causing a 2hr outage on sunday evening while we worked out that while the database schema was successfully upgraded.. the data in the channel table cause problems with 0.21 but not 0.20 in that scanning completely failed to work.

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nevyn:

we ended up just droping a bunch of tables and re-scanning.

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justinh:

hahaha what is it with those people trying to run myth in a virtual machine? too much spare time on their hands I think

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purserj:

justinh: as an educational tool it's quite effective

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purserj:

as a working thing, it would have to suck

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kslater:

or as a shared build / test environment

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: I do that for dev work, but not as a "real" frontend

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kslater:

yeah, can't imagine using Myth that way would make any kind of sense

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justinh:

that's what I was implying – these folks on the list seem to be on about using it for day to day stuff

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kslater:

yeah, that's crazy talk

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adante:

hey

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adante:

trying to make a mythtv sales pitch

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adante:

are there any demo videos i can show someone?

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GreyFoxx:

Justin has one

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justinh:

*had*

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justinh:

had several actually

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justinh:

latest one is mirrored somewhere but I can't remember where

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jduggan:

justinh: redtube.com

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jduggan:

;]

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jduggan:

(NSFW!)

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jduggan:

well i guess that depends on where you work :P

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justinh:

*demo* video, not *home-made* porn videos

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GreyFoxx:

I have a copy of it

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justinh:

need a new one made really

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justinh:

bet my c2d is better at grabbing 720p screencast movies than my 2000XP :)

[13:06:10]

justinh:

had to assemble the last video out of stills :(

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justinh:

adante: one thing – don't use any demo vids you find on youtube :P

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Saviq:

justinh: the glitches only happen when using shared storage dir, when mythbackend's streaming, all's fine

[13:09:46]

justinh:

time for some nfs tuning then maybe?

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Saviq:

probably

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justinh:

anyway I've still got personal copies of the 'promo' videos I've done in the past. just nowhere to put them really

[13:14:52]

justinh:

haha! damn manager, blaming the fact he can't get audio working on his machine on the mods I did to the board. it's the software config. surprise surprise :-\ wanker

[13:15:53]

adante:

justinh: hah why is that?

[13:16:03]

justinh:

why is what?

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adante:

don't use any demo vids found on youtube

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justinh:

have you *seen* any of them?!

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adante:

how big are the promo vids justinh, i could probably throw them up somewhere

[13:16:37]

justinh:

hardly representative :P

[13:17:12]

justinh:

the last one was pretty big – 720p mpeg2 (or 4 – can't remember) – about 4 or 5 mins long

[13:19:34]

justinh:

aye 720p mpeg2

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GreyFoxx:

I have it uploading from home to my box here now :)

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justinh:

595M (!)

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adante:

GreyFoxx: you going to make it public?

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adante:

hah ouch

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GreyFoxx:

sure if justin is ok with it

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justinh:

aye

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adante:

cool i'll bug you for it tomorrow then :]

[13:20:59]

justinh:

it'll be out of date soon anyway (well it already is out of date technically)

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adante:

and with that... i am to bed!

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Saviq:

justinh: does myth re-use currently watched channels if another frontend wants to watch it?

[13:23:54]

justinh:

wtf is this 'live tv' everybody goes on about?

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Saviq:

that was just a question, sorry to have asked

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justinh:

that was code for "I don't know/care" :)

[13:30:54]

justinh:

probably makes a new recording for it but there's one way to find out

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nevyn:

justinh: newbies.

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justinh:

but newbies aren't real people :)

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Saviq:

ok, one more thing... live-tv sets the video length to real_length + 1hr, is this known behavior?

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PatrickDK:

I am so sick of livetv :(

[13:48:26]

PatrickDK:

I can't stand to watch anything, unless it's atleast 30min old

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justinh:

heheheh adverts do that to you :)

[13:51:10]

gandalfcome:

I have still some problem with my livetv. Backend and frontend log are at http://pastebin.ca/978311. This happened after upgrade to mythtv 0.21. Any idea?

[13:51:19]

PatrickDK:

my dvr in the bedroom died, so have to watch livetv in there till next week :( it sucks so badly I just don't bother

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justinh:

not only that, it's fun to timestretch

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justinh:

one hour shows become 45 minutes... take 2x 4 minute ad breaks out of that..

[13:52:14]

justinh:

time saved :)

[13:52:37]

justinh:

gandalfcome: call that a backend log?!

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gandalfcome:

well that's the thing that happened when I pressed livetv on the frontend

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justinh:

good luck with that then

[13:54:50]

gandalfcome:

I updated it, but i don't know if ithelps

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justinh:

looks the same to me

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gandalfcome:

http://pastebin.ca/978314

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justinh:

looks nasty, that writestringlist error. dunno what causes that

[13:57:16]

gandalfcome:

Yes but it happens, before the livetv

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gandalfcome:

I don't know ifthats at all connected

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justinh:

it's important as far as I can tell

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justinh:

important and _bad_

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gandalfcome:

I have read a bit about it yesterday on the internet. someone psoted problems with master and slave backend. but I only have a master backend

[13:59:32]

justinh:

can the frontend see recordings etc fine?

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gandalfcome:

yes

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gandalfcome:

but not livetv

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justinh:

do the recordings play ok?

[14:00:27]

gandalfcome:

yes

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justinh:

what about new recordings? do they happen & play fine?

[14:02:39]

gandalfcome:

I'll have a look, I need to check with my parents (remote maintenance :D ).

[14:03:05]

gandalfcome:

Yes seems to work

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justinh:

well, since live tv is basically just a recording.. I don't know what to suggest

[14:04:06]

gandalfcome:

okay I get the error again but it seems to work, the recordings

[14:04:46]

gandalfcome:

Could it be a permission problem? Where does it save the livetv?

[14:05:15]

justinh:

saves the livetv in the live tv group storage location if you set it – if not just the recording dir

[14:05:41]

justinh:

stop mythbackend & go through mythtv-setup to make sure everything looks sensible – especially in storage groups

[14:06:08]

Saviq:

why isn't there a 'existing channel treatment' setting on 'scan existing transports'?

[14:06:25]

justinh:

because nobody wrote one!

[14:06:26]

justinh:

:)

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gandalfcome:

Okay recording new stuff doesnt work apparently. i get the following errors on the backend : http://pastebin.ca/978327

[14:08:40]

justinh:

gandalfcome: you have a configuration problem then

[14:09:08]

justinh:

seems as if the master backend ip address is set to 127.0.0.1 and the backend doesn't seem to know it's the master

[14:09:28]

gandalfcome:

is that set in the myth-setup

[14:09:33]

justinh:

yes

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gandalfcome:

thanks

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justinh:

if you have a remote frontend or other backends the master IP address (both the 'master ip address' and 'backend address') should be set to the LAN IP of the machine

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justinh:

e.g. if the master backend has a lan ip of 192.168.1.15 you'd set both IP addresses in mythtv-setup to 192.168.1.15 for that master backend

[14:12:49]

justinh:

it's always vital to re-run mythtv-setup after an upgrade in my experience – if only to check everything still looks sane

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gandalfcome:

I will to the sanity check now as well everytime. I didn't think that it would have kept all the channels but mess up the ip adress

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gandalfcome:

thanks anyway, unfortunatley my parents went out and I couldn't test it yey

[14:22:24]

gandalfcome:

yet

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justinh:

well. time to go to the docs to get my eye looked at.

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justinh:

beware of flying swarf :\-

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Stomper:

hi all

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Stomper:

someone got a minute to help me with myth-tv?

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Stomper:

i've got a problem with it

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iamlindoro__:

Stomper, It's no use to ask to ask, just ask

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Stomper:

i have problems with the server-halt commandline...

[15:13:41]

Stomper:

i want to shut down the computer by closing myth-tv

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Stomper:

I edited the sudoers file to execute /sbin/shutdown without password prompt

[15:14:34]

Stomper:

works by typing it in the console with sudo /sbin...

[15:15:02]

Stomper:

but if i type the comand in the halt-command line in myth-tv nothing happens by closing myth-tv

[15:15:54]

Stomper:

i also wrote a litle script file just echoing 0 for the shutdown-check script line... but nothing.

[15:16:05]

Stomper:

how can i manage to shut down the computer by closing myth-tv?

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iamlindoro__:

Stomper, I don't shut down myth, but if you haven't already gone through it, this may help you out: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythwelcome

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iamlindoro__:

also: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Shutdown_Wakeup

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iamlindoro__:

although the latter is a bit more out-of-date IIRC

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Stomper:

ah ok... i'll check this... thanks

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hti_pro:

hey guys, I wanna be able to switch to my s-video input from livetv, so that I can play xbox on my computer without exiting mythtv... how do i do this

[15:51:45]

hti_pro:

i seen something about pressing c to change inputs, but it does nothing but make the TV video skip for a second

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iamlindoro__:

Not gonna be possible, because Myth is a recorder, everything is buffered for several seconds before display-- you'll be trying to play everything on a two to three second delay... if you are using a hardware encoder, the delay will be even worse.

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hti_pro:

damn.... is there anyway to disable the timeshifting ie. recording on certain inputs

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iamlindoro__:

Nope

[15:54:46]

hti_pro:

son of a...... can I set up a shortcut to start tvtime or another viewer from within myth

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hti_pro:

preferably a shortcut in the main menus

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cva:

directv moved spiketv from channel 325 to 241, unfortunately schedules direct doen't have the updated info yet. Any way to fix it in the interim? I've tried changing the channel in mythweb/settings/channel to 241, but it still tunes to 325.

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hti_pro:

no?????

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iamlindoro__:

what an impatient douche

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** iamlindoro__ decides not to go look up wiki articles for impatient fucks in the future. **

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iamlindoro__:

cva, In addition to changing the channum, you probably need to change the freqid

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cva:

doh! I missed that block, I was focused on thinking it was in the xmltvid

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** cva couldn't see the forest for the trees **

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cva:

that worked. thanks.

[16:02:30]

iamlindoro__:

no prob

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zonyl:

Does anyone have a hardware config where HDMI video and audio are working? I see a lot of posts on the web about conflicting reports of NVidia cards audio passthrough working

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iamlindoro__:

zonyl, There's not driver element to the audio on HDMI, it's literally just a shunt from the motherboard/Sound card S/PDIF headers into the HDMI pins-- having properly configured ALSA + the requisite headers connected properly = guaranteed win

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iamlindoro__:

er there's no

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PatrickDK:

you know what is the most embarrising?

[16:10:27]

PatrickDK:

helping install an large lcd for a friends kid

[16:10:31]

PatrickDK:

pluging everything in

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zonyl:

iamlindoro: I have seen people mentioning that with that hooked up the vid card still wont mix in the audio. Something in the driver needs to enable the audioconversion

[16:10:39]

PatrickDK:

and making sure everything is set correctly

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PatrickDK:

only to find they had porn in the xbox

[16:11:06]

PatrickDK:

the video card never does ANYTHING with the audio

[16:11:21]

PatrickDK:

the audio comes in via a wire, and leaves the hdmi port the same way

[16:11:28]

PatrickDK:

the video card does nothing at all with the audio

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zonyl:

iamlindoro: However, a lot of posts claiming this doesnt work: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.ph . . . t=HDMI+audio

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iamlindoro__:

PatrickDK, FWIW I read lots of oddball news sites that are quirky and funny, and I clicked a link last week that kicked off a video that started w/ the words "Completely shaved penis!" In the office

[16:15:20]

PatrickDK:

in the other channel we are always attempting that

[16:15:26]

PatrickDK:

just post an innocent little link

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PatrickDK:

to see who in the office will open it

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iamlindoro__:

hehe

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iamlindoro__:

zonyl, If you're concerned, just buy a board w/ new Intel Graphics-- in addition to being great, supporting linux, and supporting Audio over HDMI, they're also likely to be the first to support h.264 hardware acceleration.

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stoth:

iamlindoro__: with the g31/33 chipset?

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iamlindoro__:

stoth, I think either should be fine-- Not certain what the earliest chipset they're targeting with VAAPI is, but I'm pretty sure any currently-sold Intel chipset should make the cut

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stoth:

I watched HD PVR 1080i h.264 content playback flawlessly on windows with the G31/33 onboard gfx (albeit under windows). If intel release h.264 acc drivers under linux ... well that's going to kick ass.

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iamlindoro__:

stoth, Yeah! :) I'm definitely leaning heavily towards Intel graphics next time a hardware upgrade rolls around.

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iamlindoro__:

stoth, granted my boxes can hack it in software alone right now, but I don't like walking so close to the edge if you know what I mean

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bobgill:

Anyone else have audio sync issues? I keep having to adjust about 50–80ms forward on all my recordings

[16:50:30]

bobgill:

only happening since the update

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iamlindoro__:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4940

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bobgill:

ahh thanks

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bobgill:

so it's not just me ;)

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iamlindoro__:

bobgill, If it *is* related to some issue w/ the currently used libavcodec, and if it *is* resolved in recent ffmpeg, then there's a strong likelihood that next Myth ffmpeg sync will solve the issue... when that will be is anyone's guess, and will require that you switch to SVN or wait for the next release

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EvilGuru:

I wonder why a Hauppauge Nova-T would show up in /dev/dvb as an adapter, but also as /dev/video0

[17:13:35]

fryfrog:

analog and digital tuner?

[17:14:52]

EvilGuru:

Well, I am totally unsure

[17:15:13]

EvilGuru:

The box showed it as a digital only tuner with two coaxial connections (in and out, so it is a pass-through)

[17:15:27]

EvilGuru:

the actual card only has one, an input

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johnp__:

Not a new version of Nova-T ?

[17:15:54]

EvilGuru:

Is there any data to identify it in software

[17:16:02]

EvilGuru:

(I just put the case back on my system)

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johnp__:

hmm, not sure what does lspci -vvv give you ? (not sure that'll help)

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EvilGuru:

I have a PVR-150 and this Nova-T in my system and I get:

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EvilGuru:

03:05.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05)

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ajh:

*** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/mythfrontend.real: malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x00002aaaae70524f ***

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EvilGuru:

03:05.2 Multimedia controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [MPEG Port] (rev 05)

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EvilGuru:

03:05.4 Multimedia controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [IR Port] (rev 05)

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Ryushin:

I know a lot of changes has been going on lately in SVN related to themes and other things. Is it safe right now to upgrade SVN? I last updated March 2nd and I've been having the occasional stutter when doing general playback. I enabled threaded playback and that did not help either. I was thinking updating SVN again to see if that solves the problem.

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EvilGuru:

MythTV shows it as a: Hauppauge Nova-T DVB-T [cx8800]

[17:19:35]

kbidd:

how come mythtv changes my system resolution when I start it, even though i have it set to run in windowed mode?

[17:20:08]

iamlindoro__:

Ryushin, The major changes in SVN right now are the qt4 merge and MythUI conversion-- unless you are prepared for bug-bashing, you really, really, really shouldn't upgrade a production machine IMO

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johnp__:

EvilGuru:Pass

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Ryushin:

iamlindoro_: Hence why I'm asking.

[17:20:52]

iamlindoro__:

Hence my answer

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Ryushin:

What was the last revision before these changes starting happening.

[17:22:03]

Ryushin:

I could always check out that version.

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iamlindoro__:

16600-something probably

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iamlindoro__:

look at the SVN revision log and do what you like

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justinh:

what was the last revision before you stopped reading the -dev and -commits mailing lists? :P

[17:23:23]

** EvilGuru is really interested in what this video0 is **

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Ryushin:

I glance at them every day and read anything that looks interesting. That's how I knew that it probably wouldn't be safe to upgrade for 2–4 months.

[17:24:22]

Ryushin:

But the skipping has been bugging me, so I thought I would get the last revision before they started making the big changes.

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fnc1:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/hd_pvr.html

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Ryushin:

I'm running 16338 right now.

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iamlindoro__:

fnc1, Old news ;)

[17:25:54]

iamlindoro__:

Was up last Friday, preorders opened Monday AM

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fnc1:

you can buy em now though

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Ryushin:

fnc1: I didn't know about that. I hope they release a card that will do the h.264 in hardware like the PVR-*50 cards.

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iamlindoro__:

Ryushin, The HD-PVR *does* capture h.264 in hardware

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iamlindoro__:

both HD and SD inputs

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: see the thread about no initial linux drivers ?:)

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Ryushin:

iamlindoro__: Right, but I want a card to drop in my Myth box to do it.

[17:29:45]

Ryushin:

Has there been any word/hope of seeing cablecard for myth?

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, Yeah-- the ignorance level on the users list lately has been above normal

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iamlindoro__:

and that's saying something

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Ryushin:

So I guess my only alternative is to get 2–4 digital cable boxes with firewall outputs and put them into a mythth backend in the basement.

[17:31:30]

Ryushin:

Can firewall change the channel on the cable boxes or do I need a irblaster for that?

[17:31:36]

Ryushin:

can firewire

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, That's not to say that I don't agree-- I think it's reasonable to expect that the drivers and Myth support will take a bit-- it's the derivative discussion that has gone completely retarded

[17:31:45]

iamlindoro__:

Yes, you can change channel via firewire.

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ajh:

anyone had good luck getting things to show up in itunes for syncing?

[17:32:27]

Ryushin:

Maybe I should start looking into that then.

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iamlindoro__:

The important thing to remember is that if you live in the US, unless you are very lucky, you are unlikely to get more than a few channels via firewire

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Ryushin:

From what I remember reading, I have to patch the newer kernels with the older firewire code. Is this still correct? I'm running 2.6.24.3.

[17:33:38]

Ryushin:

iamlindoro__: Really? I thought everything I paid for I could output via firewire.

[17:33:41]

iamlindoro__:

Depends on your distro. Many/most distros include both firewire systems on newer kernels.

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iamlindoro__:

Ryushin, Nope. All they have to give you via firewire, by FCC regulation, is local channels. Most people get locals channels only via firewire. Some people get nothing at all.

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Ryushin:

I roll my own kernel, so it will be up to me to add the older patches.

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GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: I didn't have to patch anything, using stock 2.6.24.3

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Ryushin:

iamlindoro__: Well crap. That pisses me off!

[17:35:30]

iamlindoro__:

Pretty much the list I am aware of the gets most everything via firewire: San Francisco Area, Seattle Area, Portland Area, Some Canadians.

[17:35:31]

Ryushin:

Is there anyway to get digital out then on a cable box?

[17:35:40]

iamlindoro__:

Everyone else, in general, gets locals only.

[17:35:56]

iamlindoro__:

Nope, firewire is the only capturable digital out.

[17:36:00]

ajh:

uhm, is DiSEqC 2.0 supported?

[17:36:25]

iamlindoro__:

ajh, I believe support in Myth is up to Diseqc 1.3

[17:36:38]

Ryushin:

What is DiSEqC?

[17:36:47]

iamlindoro__:

Why not google?

[17:36:50]

Ryushin:

Yea, go google it.

[17:38:46]

ajh:

crud

[17:40:17]

Ryushin:

OKay, if firewire won't work for me. What is the best alternative. Can the cable boxes output to ATSC or QCam?

[17:40:26]

iamlindoro__:

No.

[17:40:45]

iamlindoro__:

"<iamlindoro__> Nope, firewire is the only capturable digital out"

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Ryushin:

So I'm gong to have to encode component or another analog output from a digital cable box?

[17:41:28]

iamlindoro__:

HD-PVRs are your option if firewire doesn't work. at least if you want/intend to capture HD.

[17:41:39]

iamlindoro__:

Yes.

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Ryushin:

So that just bites!

[17:42:11]

ajh:

no, you could capture the output and recompress it

[17:42:18]

ajh:

it's not cheap.

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Ryushin:

ajh: I'm still capturing an analog output.

[17:42:46]

ajh:

no DVI?

[17:42:56]

Ryushin:

DVI is encrypted.

[17:43:12]

iamlindoro__:

ajh, not in linux or myth you can't. (I presume you are talking about HDMI capture) Not to mention the HDMI capture devices for windows respect HDCP

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ajh:

you're sure none of them are linux supported?

[17:44:04]

iamlindoro__:

Yes. I'm sure.

[17:44:39]

Ryushin:

Is it possible to buy the cable card pci cards and the not card itself?

[17:45:05]

iamlindoro__:

And even then, they won't take a signal that is HDCP locked, which all STB output is.

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iamlindoro__:

Ryushin, You can only get cablecard PCI cards w/ OEM windows HTPCs, and there is no support for them whatsoever in linux, nor will there ever be, likely

[17:46:42]

fnc1:

does anyone know the higest model number vidcard nvidia made that is agp?

[17:46:59]

Ryushin:

I guess I'm going to have to start exploring if hacked cable boxes exist.

[17:47:09]

frank_:

fnc1: pretty sure it's 7900

[17:47:19]

frank_:

fnc1: i have a 7600gt agp

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Ryushin:

Damn cable companies!

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fnc1:

frank_: is that a good card for hd?

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iamlindoro__:

Ryushin, You're barking up the wrong tree... they will only activate their own boxes on the network, and the port activations for the box are all controlled on the headend side, not the box side.

[17:49:09]

fnc1:

with .21 im thinking of upgradeing so i ca use more of the filters and such

[17:50:03]

frank_:

fnc1: I don't think there is much difference between them since the linux drivers don't support PureVideo AFAIK. As long as you have the right output you\re ok I think

[17:50:18]

Ryushin:

Yea, but they have dvi out. People mod xboxes and such. There has to be a hack out there to "fix" this problem. But this shouldn't be discussed here.

[17:50:35]

fnc1:

frank_: ...right output?

[17:50:43]

frank_:

fnc1: dvi

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frank_:

fnc1: my 5200 had a dvi output.

[17:51:06]

fnc1:

is dvi more advantagious to use over vga? hd15?

[17:51:10]

ffish:

I'm have two problems with my previous-working mythbox: (1) the capture card stopped working, and (2) the backend doesn't see the binding between my cards and video sources

[17:51:20]

iamlindoro__:

Ryushin, Yes, you are correct, it's oof-limits talk-- but no such hacks exist-- the cable companies have *really* thought this through

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Ryushin:

How much hardware do I have to have to do component encoding?

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frank_:

fnc1: well dvi is digital and vga is analog

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ffish:

I get "Could not get inputs for the capturecard. Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video sources to your card's inputs?" even though I've set up the video inputs

[17:52:48]

Ryushin:

Is there any card that can encode 1080i analog?

[17:52:56]

iamlindoro__:

Assuming you buy a PVR-Hd, not much, all the work is done by the device. You just need the hardware to play it back.

[17:53:06]

wayne_:

hi all, has anybody got mythtv running on opensuse 10.3 (i586)

[17:53:06]

iamlindoro__:

Ryushin, only the HD-PVR can do that...

[17:53:09]

frank_:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/hd_pvr.html

[17:53:18]

frank_:

are there linux drivers for that yet?

[17:53:28]

iamlindoro__:

frank_, No-- there aren't even boxes in the wild yet :)

[17:53:43]

GreyFoxx:

0

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fnc1:

frank not even shipping yet..

[17:53:54]

fnc1:

just went on sale

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Ryushin:

So these are $250 a piece. Do they have a hard drive on them, or do they dump to your PC?

[17:54:30]

iamlindoro__:

Just dumps to USB

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Ryushin:

Do these things have cable card?

[17:55:17]

GreyFoxx:

no

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iamlindoro__:

No. They just capture the component out of your STB

[17:55:35]

GreyFoxx:

so your STB can do the cablecard decryption/whatever

[17:55:44]

GreyFoxx:

and you record the component output

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fnc1:

i doubt a cable card.. since they have component and compostie in only

[17:57:55]

Ryushin:

Is there a pci card that exists that does component to mpeg2/4?

[17:58:03]

iamlindoro__:

No.

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GreyFoxx:

I don't think so

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Ryushin:

so this new Hauppauge device looks like the only somewhat decent alternative?

[17:58:50]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[17:59:05]

GreyFoxx:

best potential so far

[17:59:19]

Ryushin:

And who knows how long it's going to be before we see linux drivers.

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GreyFoxx:

doubt it will be long, but you never know

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Ryushin:

Once they actually release it and people get a hold of it

[17:59:42]

iamlindoro__:

Correct. Although given the level of interest it ought to be sooner than later.

[18:00:07]

iamlindoro__:

Plus USB is sniff-sniff-sniffable

[18:00:08]

Ryushin:

Okay, I'm going to google some more. Be back in a bit.

[18:01:00]

** iamlindoro__ loves how every time someone gets the standard HD-capture answers they think they're going to find the Holy Grail we've all been missing all this time. **

[18:02:03]

fnc1:

i just use the hdmi capture card ;)

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frank_:

fnc1: what hdmi ccapture card?

[18:14:06]

iamlindoro__:

frank_, Pretty sure he means the Blackmagic Intensity-- No linux drivers, won't record HDMI w/ HDCP, proprietary video codecs w/ practically no compression (read: a few hundred gig for a TV show)

[18:14:25]

Saviq:

anyone knows if the video plugin changed its schema since 0.20?

[18:14:52]

iamlindoro__:

Saviq, All (or at least most) parts of myth have had schema changes since .21

[18:15:08]

iamlindoro__:

er since .20

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iamlindoro__:

sorry

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Saviq:

n/p

[18:15:49]

iamlindoro__:

Nothing too earth shattering, though, you should be able to comprehend most just by looking at it

[18:16:41]

iamlindoro__:

I imagine mythvideo is very very similar between the two

[18:16:52]

iamlindoro__:

DBwise, anyway

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fnc1:

what would you guys recomend a 6800gt vs 7600gs mainly worried about hd playback

[18:19:21]

iamlindoro__:

fnc1, For myth purposes, they are the same

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Ryushin:

I found this: http://www.plextor.nl/index.php?page=shop.bro . . . amp;Itemid=1

[18:21:01]

fnc1:

so no benefit one way or the other?

[18:21:12]

iamlindoro__:

fnc1, Nope

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frank_:

why doesn\t nvidia support on card h264 decoding in the linux drivers?

[18:22:52]

Saviq:

'cause you didn't wrote support for it

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GreyFoxx:

frank_: many people would like answers to that :) Only nvidia has the real answers :)\

[18:23:22]

iamlindoro__:

Ryushin, what is it you think you can do with that?

[18:23:38]

frank_:

GreyFoxx: :p

[18:24:03]

iamlindoro__:

It's a Digital to *analog* conversion that removes HDCP... Actually *more* of a runaround than just capturing the component outs, and the same result.

[18:26:36]

ajh:

you could also just use a HDCP stripper

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iamlindoro__:

ajh, It's not "Just." You still need to be able to capture the digital stream, which nothing in linux will do, and which the windows options for stink. Add a h.264 hardware encoder to the Blackmagic card and you'll be in business. For as long as they're using proprietary codecs that don't compress efficiently, they're no use to us.

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Ryushin:

iamlindoro__: True. But it might be easier to find a VGA recording device than a component device.

[18:32:28]

Ryushin:

I'm still digging though.

[18:32:37]

iamlindoro__:

Ryushin, Nope. And even if you could, you'd still need something that does hardware encoding *and* has/will have linux support-- no such beast exists.

[18:32:56]

kbidd:

how do i stop mythtv from changing my system resolution?

[18:33:00]

Ryushin:

Back to google then.

[18:33:36]

Ryushin:

kbidd: So when you start myth in windows mode your resolution changes?

[18:33:42]

EvilGuru:

When I go watch tv I can only see what it tuned into my analogue card, not my DVB-T one, although it is set-up

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kbidd:

Ryushin, yep

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iamlindoro__:

Ryushin, I'm becoming less and less inclined to try to save you the effort, but I'll try one more time-- We have all been at this for a *long* time. We've seen countless people try to google themselves a solution. There is a reason that the HD-PVR is being greeted with such enthusiasm and that is because, in absence of wide-open firewire, it's the only game in town without buying a windows HTPC w/ Cablecard support.

[18:35:33]

fnc1:

EvilGuru: you have to chang sources

[18:35:44]

fnc1:

hit m on the keyboard

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iamlindoro__:

EvilGuru, Press Y

[18:35:58]

EvilGuru:

I'll try both

[18:36:38]

EvilGuru:

Y did it, thank you very much fnc1 and iamlindoro__

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iamlindoro__:

np

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Ryushin:

iamlindoro__: I understand that it's going to be hard. Who knows it something has just been released. It can't hurt to keep looking except waisting my time.

[18:36:57]

EvilGuru:

Mind if I ask a somewhat more theoretical question?

[18:37:18]

Ryushin:

kbidd: Go into the appearence set section and look if you're doing any resolution changes there.

[18:37:49]

EvilGuru:

My window is PAL-I sized (720x576 sized), however the analogue transmission seems less widescreen

[18:38:13]

iamlindoro__:

EvilGuru, Fairly common... usually done by the broadcasters to make it "overscan safe."

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EvilGuru:

(so the black bars are larger on DVB-T than on analogue, with my PVR-150), ah

[18:38:34]

iamlindoro__:

EvilGuru, You can adjust cropping/over/underscan in myth to adjust for this, though

[18:38:52]

iamlindoro__:

In the TV Playback settings IIRC

[18:39:25]

EvilGuru:

So I guess the analogue one is somewhat distorted if it is 'taller'/'heigher'

[18:40:09]

iamlindoro__:

EvilGuru, Well, I wouldn't know without looking at the actual signal, but you can also tweak the fill modes and aspect ratios from the Menu during playback to see if that helps you out any

[18:40:30]

EvilGuru:

I'll play around with it, but digital seems *much* better

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wayne_:

is there anybody here using opensuse 10.3 in the winterhill coverage area, i need your help i'm missing the itv channels

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wayne_:

waheey it's working, has anybody got idea's on how to find missing channels?

[18:55:17]

kbidd:

Ryushin, i have the window size set to 1280x1024, but the resolution at 2560x1024

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Ryushin:

kbidd: In the appearance setup, you have the gui width and gui height set. Do you also have "Use GUI size for TV Playback" and "Run the Frontend in a Window" checked?

[19:09:05]

wayne_:

does anybody know how to deal with th error "cannot connect to thew myth transcoding daemon"

[19:09:46]

Ryushin:

kbidd: Do you also have "Use separate video modes for GUI and TV Playback" unchecked.

[19:10:23]

PatrickDK:

wayne, press a number key, or start mtd

[19:10:45]

Ryushin:

kbidd: I run mythtv on my laptop in a window with no problems. I'm using E17 as my WM.

[19:11:30]

wayne_:

patrikDK: try'd that no response, any other idea's where will i find mtd on disk to verify it is really there

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PatrickDK:

dunno depends on your system, /usr/local/bin/mtd?

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PatrickDK:

mine is in /usr/bin/mtd

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justinh:

analogue widescreen is usually 14:9

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justinh:

compromises, to save complaints

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wayne_:

PatrikDK: had to start it manually (opensuse 10.3) thanks

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juNgl3:

hi all

[19:18:53]

juNgl3:

has anyone had a problem upgrading to the new version

[19:19:02]

justinh:

ubuntu users have :)

[19:19:03]

juNgl3:

my osd shakes

[19:19:09]

juNgl3:

i got debian

[19:19:44]

juNgl3:

and the pic is not that smooth as ver 0.20

[19:19:55]

justinh:

two words for ya

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justinh:

playback profiles

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juNgl3:

yea i messed about with that

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juNgl3:

doesnt seem to change anything

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Ryushin:

iamlindoro__: Are you still around?

[19:21:22]

juNgl3:

its as if the frame rate is dropped

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Ryushin:

What about this for capturing HDMI input: http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/

[19:22:17]

justinh:

what about forgetting about it?

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justinh:

1. no linux drivers

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justinh:

2. it compresses the video in a format similar to mjpeg – it'll EAT HDD space

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fnc1:

<--10tb array ;)

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justinh:

3. it won't support capture from HDCP devices

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justinh:

next!

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stoth:

They're not interesting in linux drivers.

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PatrickDK:

justinh, just spoil his dreams why don't ya

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Ryushin:

justinh: I don't care if it take 100 GB to dump to the disk. I'll reencode after it's there.

[19:23:34]

justinh:

Ryushin: point 3 is the most important

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Ryushin:

As for the HDCP, look at this: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=856512

[19:23:44]

justinh:

as is point 1 actually

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justinh:

NO linux drivers

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justinh:

NO linux drivers

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justinh:

NO linux drivers

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fnc1:

but there are hardware that will strip the hdcp

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justinh:

did I mention there are NO linux drivers?

[19:24:05]

Ryushin:

No linux drivers yet.

[19:24:09]

justinh:

ever

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stoth:

not ever, just not now.

[19:24:40]

justinh:

for the amount of time it's been around..

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Ryushin:

justinh: That's naive.

[19:25:03]

justinh:

not at all

[19:25:11]

justinh:

impassionately realistic, I'd call it

[19:25:14]

Ryushin:

The community has been able to reverse engineer just about everything they have wanted to so far.

[19:25:38]

hadees:

So i just got off the phone with Time Warner and they are claiming the boxes i have do have firewire enabled however I have never been able to get anything to work with firewire_tester

[19:25:44]

juNgl3:

can the community reverse engineer my osd pls

[19:25:59]

juNgl3:

i want it back to the way it was

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hadees:

i have a 3250HD box

[19:26:04]

juNgl3:

any ideas

[19:26:11]

justinh:

maybe the prospect of eating 1TB per hour has put the OSS driver community off driver development for the blackmagic HDMI card then

[19:26:33]

Ryushin:

Is that the amount of disk that it uses?

[19:26:41]

justinh:

Ryushin: pretty much

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justinh:

actually the reality will be somewhat less than 1TB per hour, but it's still gonna be a _lot_

[19:29:52]

hadees:

if you try firewire_tester and it comes back failed on everything what am i supposed to do? I have all the modules install.

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justinh:

42GB an hour as it happens. oops. still a lot though

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justinh:

and that's using their mjpeg codec. as far as I can tell the cards capture it uncompressed – so then you're talking 3Gb/sec.. ouchy

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justinh:

you'll be spending a _lot_ of time transcoding

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justinh:

much easier to er... (cough)... ;)

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justinh:

sorry if realism pisses on the parade & all that

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ben__:

does mythtv offer parental control for tv

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justinh:

wonder what kind of CPU requirements compressing 1920x1080 to a space-friendly format has ....

[19:37:33]

justinh:

ben__: in some regards yes. in terms of which channels/shows kids can watch... not as far as live viewing goes

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GreyFoxx:

and in mythvideo you can restrict what movies they can watch

[19:37:56]

ben__:

oh say something on bbc3 later on is bad

[19:37:58]

ben__:

then no

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justinh:

playback groups can be PIN protected. videos in mythvideo can be PIN protected too

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GreyFoxx:

not something I've spent a lot of time looking at

[19:38:09]

justinh:

er.. everything on BBC3 is bad

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justinh:

channels can't be pin protected

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ben__:

like virgin 1

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ben__:

most the stuff during the day is fine

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ben__:

but later on

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ben__:

sexectra

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ben__:

and stuf

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ben__:

*f

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justinh:

ffs there's nowt dodgy in that

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justinh:

they can get worse on the internet in 5 secs

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ben__:

so

[19:39:24]

justinh:

jees youtube has worse

[19:39:26]

ben__:

maybe the internet has a filter

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justinh:

maybe the argument is losing steam. there are no parental controls on what you can watch 'live'

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wayne__:

ben_: seen as your talking about dvb in the uk, have you anyexperiance in the itv muxes mine are missing

[19:40:11]

justinh:

wayne__: get a good aerial & replace the aged coax

[19:40:27]

justinh:

or just regard not having ITV as a blessing :)

[19:40:53]

ben__:

itv muxes, never heard of it

[19:41:12]

wayne__:

it's not the coax the channels are there in (sorry to this) windows

[19:41:16]

justinh:

freeview channels are broadcast in bunches, on multiplexes (or muxes for short)

[19:41:23]

justinh:

wayne__: so do a proper scan then

[19:41:51]

ben__:

oh multiplexes = muxes

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Ryushin:

I guess the raw hdmi and dvi is just too huge to deal with. I guess it's been uncompressed at that point.

[19:42:00]

ben__:

they all work i think

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justinh:

Ryushin: yup

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ben__:

for me

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wayne__:

i think i did a proper scan, just to make sure how do you do a proper scan

[19:42:28]

justinh:

pressay buttonay marked 'perform full scan'. tada!

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ben__:

it does seem to get confused when recording many things at once

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justinh:

ben__: considering I had 10 shows recording from one tuner on my dev box the other week I think not

[19:43:16]

wayne__:

did that but the closest i get is itv2 i need itv1 (for the wife)

[19:43:39]

justinh:

wayne__: hauppauge nova-t500 ?

[19:43:50]

wayne__:

nope compro dvb-t200

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ben__:

i have 3 cards two in once machine with priority 10 and 1 in another machine with priority 5 it only recorced 2 things

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ben__:

and said no more inputs

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justinh:

wayne__: best thing to do would to stop mythbackend and scan with dvb-utils & see if it gets everything you think it should get. then use tzap to see if channels on the pesky mux are usable. or just try everything in kaffeine

[19:44:43]

ben__:

i missed a boring program i never watch :(

[19:45:13]

** justinh sings the 'always fecking _always_ test your tuner hardware in linux BEFORE going with mythtv' song again **

[19:47:09]

justinh:

ben__: the non-BBC muxes are broadcast in a highly inferior format and are thus more prone to nasty errors & stuff. So if you're in a bit of a fringey reception area and you're missing a vital option in a tuner card driver module (say, the "turn the mother effing low noise amplifier on" option) – you may well get nought on the shite muxes

[19:47:10]

wayne__:

justinh: i;m a newbie (can you tell!!!) can you give me like a ten step guide to stopping the backend and scaning with dvb-utils ( the dredded itv1 is missing in kaffine also(dont know if that helps))

[19:47:53]

justinh:

wayne__: if kaffeine doesnae get it, abandon all hope & head for looking at options you can feed the kernel modules for the DVB-T tuner

[19:48:26]

justinh:

or failing that, buy a dvb-t tuner which isn't shite in linux :)

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wayne__:

i get approx a 98% signal strength on the account i'm pretty high up about 7km from my transmitter (winterhill) i know the card works fine in windows

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justinh:

jesus

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justinh:

when was the last time it worked in windows? the aerial connection might just be shot

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justinh:

I live further than 7km away from Winter Hill (near Oldham as it happens) & I get cracking reception of all muxes

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justinh:

split the aerial connection? maybe try it without the splits....

[19:51:21]

wayne__:

also i'm using the compro supplied drivers from comprousa.com, at the moment i have to boot windows to watch tv (im also based in oldham)

[19:51:26]

LonEagle:

is dvb subject to the same problem that atsc/8vsb is where if you get too MUCH signal strength it kills the symbol quality?

[19:51:33]

Ryushin:

So firewire is encrypted for all but the local channels out of STB? For most areas at least. Is this correct?

[19:51:44]

justinh:

wayne__: winterhill is way more than 7km away from oldham.. it's like bolton...

[19:52:01]

justinh:

Ryushin: depends. some lucky buggers get everything they pay for

[19:52:10]

justinh:

YMMV, big style

[19:52:29]

justinh:

the local channels & what you can get over the air should be a reasonable minimum though

[19:52:54]

Ryushin:

That's how it should be. If you pay for it, you should be able to output it.

[19:53:07]

wayne__:

ye winterhill is bolton, i took a guess @7km im based in holts so as you may know i'm pretty high up hell on a clear day i can see winterhill

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justinh:

yeah yeah. tell that to the lying, robbing bastards on the hill over there

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Ryushin:

Even though comcast is starting to seriously encrypt their HD now.

[19:53:23]

wayne__:

what robbing bastards

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justinh:

wayne__: that was for Ryushin :)

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Ryushin:

I mean compress their HD now.

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justinh:

wayne__: anyway eliminate all you possibly can from the chain on the aerial feed

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wayne__:

ok, direct feed no joints

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justinh:

wayne__: "/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop" will stop the backend (maybe with sudo) and grab dvb-utils – then try scanning with that

[19:55:02]

justinh:

wayne__: how many ways is your aerial split without an aerial amp?

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justinh:

max you can get away with even in a good reception area is ONCE

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justinh:

that's ONE split without an aerial amp

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fnc1:

naw mines slpit to 4 rooms

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justinh:

every split halves the signal strength

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wayne__:

where can i get dvb-utils?, my arial is not split , no amps it runs directly from the roof to the pc

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GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: It's unfortunately how some cableco's go through such lengths to block you, and others go outof their way to make sure you have access to everything

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** GreyFoxx lives in a place with a "nice" cable company :) **

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justinh:

wayne__: your friendly neighbourhood repo of course. jesus

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justinh:

wayne__: maybe it fell off since you last tried the card in winders

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wayne__:

nope it's rock solid, where can i grab a copy of dvb-utils, is there a way i can see exactly what my dvb card can see as in what channels

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justinh:

wayne__: apt-get ?!

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wayne__:

nope suse 10.3

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justinh:

ugh

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justinh:

I give up then

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Ryushin:

wayne__: In Denver they lowered the power they were broadcasting HD from the skyscrapers downtown. It was just enough to drop the signal strength that I couldn't pick up the signal anymore. I have a winguard hd9095 antenna that has to reach 40 miles to the skyscrapers. Radio Shack had a little 0–10db adjustable amp that had very little noise input. A little boost was just enough to get my HD working again. I did one amp before

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Ryushin:

that causes nothing but problems and I took it back.

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LonEagle:

Ryushin: i had to turn my winegard around to block the signal enough

[19:59:58]

Ryushin:

GreyFoxx: As justinh said, a bunch of robbing bastards that don't give a rat's behind about customer service.

[20:00:06]

wayne__:

mine is more of a config error i think the card can see the itv channels 'cause i can watch them in windows

[20:00:31]

Ryushin:

LonEagle: So your signal was too strong then?

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GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: sucks. Glad I get to record everything :)

[20:00:59]

Ryushin:

Yea, yea, rub it in.

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LonEagle:

Ryushin: yeah

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Ryushin:

I still have analog cable because it just works.

[20:01:23]

wayne__:

mythtv-users: is there a way i can see all the channels my card can see?

[20:01:41]

LonEagle:

Ryushin: yeah true but analog cable costs money

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GreyFoxx:

use the dvb utils scan tool, or just let myth do ascan and see what it finds

[20:02:01]

GreyFoxx:

google is your friend\

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kbidd:

wayne__, mythtvsetup's video sources configuraion has a channel scanner

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Ryushin:

LonEagle: No problem with too strong of a signal here. Heck, I have a 95" antenna on my roof and I'm lucky to pick up the weak signal they are broadcasting right now.

[20:02:30]

wayne__:

GreyFox: mythtv finds all but 'itv1'

[20:02:44]

Ryushin:

LonEagle: Analog is still cheaper than digital cable for me.

[20:02:46]

LonEagle:

Ryushin: i'm 10 miles away from minneapolis' broacast towers

[20:02:58]

LonEagle:

Ryushin: digital cable, sure, but digital tv is free

[20:03:17]

LonEagle:

also, my favorite station around here is public tv that's on one of the subchannels

[20:03:39]

Ryushin:

All the stuff PBS puts on HD is outstanding.

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LonEagle:

yeah i've watched some of it

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LonEagle:

but i don't have an hdtv

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Ryushin:

But I like some things from Sci-Fi and other such programs that are only available on cable.

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GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: yeah, I love all the documentaries in HD these days

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Asacarny:

is there anywhere i can go to see what i'll be able to record off a time warner STB? i'm in brooklyn NY

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Asacarny:

through firewire i mean

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kbidd:

anyone know of any screen scrapers available for xmltv... im too cheap to buy a schedulesdirect account

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iamlindoro__:

You'll get no sympathy for that here

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Ryushin:

kbidd: Then you are damn cheap.

[20:06:11]

kbidd:

Ryushin, yep :P

[20:06:18]

iamlindoro__:

Asacarny, Nope, not really-- may be able to glean something from AVSForum.com topic about your area, though

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, Agreed, I heart Discovery HD Theatre myself-- get that one?

[20:06:56]

Ryushin:

$20 a year is too much?

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LonEagle:

Ryushin: yeah, but cable here doesn't have "tpt mn" which is a public tv station which has a bunch of the programs i really like

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kbidd:

like i said... im damn cheap

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hadees:

if you try firewire_tester and it comes back failed on everything what am i supposed to do? I have all the modules install but i feel like i'm lost, according to Time Warner the boxes have firewire enabled

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hadees:

these are 3250HD

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kbidd:

my roommates got a tivo... is there a way to extract the programming data from it into xmltv?

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iamlindoro__:

hadees, if you can't get *anything* using P2P or broadcast, it's not usable in Myth, for whatever reason-- My money is heavily on the port still being disabled-- You got into the service menu and found the port disabled before, didn't you?

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iamlindoro__:

kbidd, No.

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hadees:

iamlindoro, no i found some information, the guy at Time Warner claims he talked to the hire ups and the guys from Scientific Atlantic and they verified it

[20:12:07]

hadees:

i don't know if any of the info said it was actually disabled

[20:12:11]

hadees:

the screens aren't very clear

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hadees:

he claims they don't show that on the diagnostics screen

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hadees:

is there like a simple windows program i can run or something?

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Asacarny:

hadees: one thing, did you try both firewire ports if there are 2?

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hadees:

Asacarny, well they are supposed to be linked and i have two boxes both show up on plugreport

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iamlindoro__:

hadees, Couldn't tell you, don't use windows-- what I *can* tell you is if you get nothing at all w/ firewire_tester that you won't be able to record.

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hadees:

and since they are Daisy chained

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hadees:

i think both ports have to be working

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GreyFoxx:

hadees: a friend of mine had issues daisy chainning his

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hadees:

iamlindoro__, there isn't anything else i can do?

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GreyFoxx:

so he placed them into seperate firewire inputs and they worked fine

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Ryushin:

Is the firewire output encrypted on those channels or is it not sent at all?

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hadees:

GreyFoxx, well i have since tried to just get one to work

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GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: It's not sending anything

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hadees:

GreyFoxx, and that hasn't worked either

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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Ryushin:

Because it could be sniffed or decrypted. Yea, I see how it would make sense to not output anything.

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hadees:

unless anyone here has better ideas i guess i'll have to search for a windows program that can use the firewire ports

[20:15:42]

hadees:

see if they can use the box

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wayne__:

is there a way to ask dvb-scan to tell me everything the card sees without giving dvb-scan a initial-tuning-data-file

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iamlindoro__:

wayne__, Nope, there are just too many variables

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iamlindoro__:

hadees, if you want to try it on windows: http://ksufootball.com/Jordan/Unsorted/temp/F . . . read.php.htm

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wayne__:

can i have somebodys help then, when i ask dvb-scan to search for all channels it reports all but one channel i know should be there

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hadees:

iamlindoro, i don't want to, if you can help me figure out a better way to figure out whats up i'm all ears

[20:18:21]

iamlindoro__:

hadees, Nope, I've still got money down on your cable co screwing you :)

[20:18:40]

iamlindoro__:

hadees, It doesn't hurt to try, I don't have any ethical issue with you trying on Windows :)

[20:18:41]

hadees:

iamlindoro, well if they are i need a way to prove it

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iamlindoro__:

wayne__, dvb-scan really has nothing to do with myth-- In myth's channel scan you can do the tuned scan where you enter the frequencies for each transponder and have it scan. Generally works very well if you know the frequencies of your missing transponder.

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iamlindoro__:

hadees, If you want to prove it then the easiest way is to really get to know the service menus-- that information *is* in there conclusively if you look hard enough. The port is either enabled or it isn't, and I suspect it isn't. You could also call SA and have them talk you through it, I suppose.

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hadees:

well according to the Time Warner guy he verified it in the office the boxes are working and he said he talked to the SA

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iamlindoro__:

What people say and the truth are often/usually different animals

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hadees:

lol, well i still don't know how to prove it

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iamlindoro__:

Are you not reading what I'm saying? call SA yourself and talk to an engineer. find a service manual and learn to read the service menus. Either way, you *can* do it.

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bbeattie:

Anyone know why when selecting a link in mythnews it opens open firefox to firefox's default page rather than bringing up the news article?

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Ryushin:

I guess the new Hauppauge device with component in is the answer. At least good quality component should look fairly decent.

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wayne__:

iamlindoro_: if i had those frequencys where would i stick 'em?

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iamlindoro__:

wayne__, You would use them w/ the channel scan in mythtv-setup... on of the scan types is a tuned scan that allows you to prompt the scanner with each transponder frequency.

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iamlindoro__:

er one of

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wayne_:

?

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ajh:

2008-04–09 16:58:41.965 NVP::OpenFile(): Error, couldn't read file: /var/mythtv/1214_20080409165838.mpg

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ajh:

Is there something to do to address that? It's refusing to play live tv.

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iamlindoro__:

That's not the error you should be worrying about-- all it's saying is there's no recording to open... I'd be looking at your backend log to determin why

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ajh:

2008-04–09 17:00:48.345 Preview Error: Preview process not ok.

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ajh:

fileinfo(/var/mythtv/1638_20080409170000.mpg.png) exists: 0 readable: 0 size: 0

[21:01:03]

ajh:

?

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iamlindoro__:

Nope.

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iamlindoro__:

Stop excerpting the log when you don't know what you are looking for

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ajh:

Hrm, then I'm confused.

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ajh:

There's not much else there that doesn't look normal.

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iamlindoro__:

Well, since you know what looks normal, I guess the problem

[21:02:35]

iamlindoro__:

is solved, then!

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** iamlindoro__ goes to get a soda **

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ajh:

ah earlier it's complaining about no VideoStartupDir if that could be it

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Anduin:

VideoStartupDir is for MythVideo

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EvilGuru:

When/how does MythTV update the EPG for DVB-T cards?

[21:12:15]

EvilGuru:

As I just re-scanned and got a couple of new channels (play fine, good signal) but, no EPG info

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iamlindoro__:

EvilGuru, Assuming you turned EIT on for the source, it does it automagically, over time... often takes a bit to get EIT info

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EvilGuru:

Okay, that's fine, I'll give it to the morning

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EvilGuru:

I still can't get over the quality difference between analogue and digital

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tuxd00d:

Which site should I look at for various recording profiles for my hauppauge 500 and 150?

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iamlindoro__:

There's no site to look at, you just adjust bitrate according to your desire for quality/file size and, unless you have a good reason not to, leave the resolution at 720x480 for the USA

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iamlindoro__:

they're editable precisely *because* there's no one "right" setting

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cyrus__:

Are there any pre-built appliances out there that come with MythTV installed?

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cyrus__:

?

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lwizardl:

hi

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lwizardl:

any biostar motherboard users?

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Ra^:

cyrus, it's in the wiki

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lwizardl:

i just got all my peices to build my mythtv box and i'm having programs with the pc locking up

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Ra^:

lwizardl, what motherboard?

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Ra^:

duh, nevermind

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Ra^:

helps if I read

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lwizardl:

well its a NF520-A2 just in case someone has one

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Ra^:

lwizardl, I just did a quick google search, but didn't find anything regarding problems

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Ra^:

lastest BIOS?

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Ra^:

latest

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iamlindoro:

Hope you bought the RAM with the lifetime warranty and didn't get the cheapy stuff

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timo:

hi im using feisty. some times my network connection would fail and reboot the client would fix things. At always seem to happen when using mythtv for long periods of time. can any one help me sorth this out please. So far only reboot can bring the connection back no thing works on the connect untill i reboot. cant even ping 192.168.1.1

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iamlindoro:

timo: Doesn't sound like it has anything to do w/ mythtv, #ubuntu is almost certainly the more appropriate room

[22:46:05]

iamlindoro:

as Myth cannot make a network connection fail

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timo:

I know but people in there wont know this kind of complicated issue

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Ra^:

don't think complicated, start simple. Start with _just_ the network issue, as that's all it seems to be.

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Ra^:

It might be a known issue with your nic

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dustybin:

Play a Windows CD backwards and you will hear Satan. It gets worse: play it forward, and it'll install Windows

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timo:

but it dosent happen when i use inter net thou ?

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Ra^:

dustybin, that's evil!

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iamlindoro:

timo, there's absolutely no way for Myth to cause a network dropout. I think that any connection between the two can *only* be coincidence

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timo:

ra it used to happen with totally different computer, now it happening with this one ?

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timo:

only way to fix is to reboot, how strange ?

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timo:

I hope its not hardware fault ?

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iamlindoro:

with 99% certainty it's your network card or drivers. It's. Not. Mythtv.

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timo:

i think mythtv makes it work very hard and it stops!

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timo:

any logs i can look at ?

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directhex:

check dmesg

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timo:

I couldn't find any thing specific to the network connection in /var/log

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directhex:

what's your network chip?

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Yarrrrr! You're helping turn us into #Any-problem

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timo:

I don't know, my motherboard is nvidia old mother board was a abit uli8

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directhex:

iamlindoro, true. if he actually felt like giving up the specifics i might be able to give him an answer, though. i doubt i'll bother chasing him for it tho

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Ra^:

timo, did you use any hardware from your old system in the new one?

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timo:

sorry client is asus av8

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timo:

ra no only the ram

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timo:

its same router obviously.

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Ra^:

you could always hard code the IP info so you're not using DHCP. Take out a stick of RAM and let it run for a while, etc, etc, etc. Basic troubleshooting stuff

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directhex:

sky2.

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directhex:

your BIOS is broken, and asus don't know how to fix it.

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directhex:

there's the short version

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timo:

im not using dhcp i have a static ip.

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Ra^:

It's also possible you have a bad router. Possible? yes. Likely? Who knows.

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timo:

so its with my motherboards if so why two mothers suffer the same Fiat

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timo:

Yes i think it could be that it was a ceapo router

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Ra^:

I'd start with the RAM, seeing how you're using the old stuff

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directhex:

well, i've given my answer. feel free to ignore it

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directhex:

iamlindoro, can't say i didn't try

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timo:

direct i get ya

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iamlindoro:

directhex: I'm getting much more of that mind of late

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timo:

I really cant understand how such a problem has any thing to do with ram. I really don't see it ?

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Ra^:

timo, it's common to both systems that had the same problem.

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timo:

But i will swap the ram with mythtv server seee what happens!

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timo:

my graphics card AGP is broken on the server makes things hard lol

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timo:

mabe better to just buy some new ram ;(

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timo:

But then i have no money.

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directhex:

iamlindoro, just because i had the same (well documented) symptoms with the same chip on a board from the same vendor, i'm sure i'm just guessing

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Hell yes you are. We'll all just making it up as we go along, here

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iamlindoro:

er We're all

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone have a bug in mythtv where recordings show up as double the time of the actual recording when playing? For example, I recorded american idol last night and instead of showing 59 minutes it showed double that

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ShiftyPowers:

i seem to have had this bug for quite some time

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Like when I tell people thrice-daily that you can't mod your cable box to put out magical digital streams in the US and that this is well-trodden ground? Totally talking out my ass.

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timo:

ok thanks for the help guys!

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timo:

what would i see in dmesg!

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jamesd__:

ShiftyPowers, its your own fault for doing slow motion on all the ryan seaquest closeups.

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directhex:

timo, module segfaults. look for memory addresses

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timo:

"warning you ram is cr*P"

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ShiftyPowers:

jamesd__, of course :)

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ShiftyPowers:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/799

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ShiftyPowers:

this may be it

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iamlindoro:

Well known, old bug

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timo:

im looking dirct .

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timo:

if you can help me pleas do.

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ShiftyPowers:

iamlindoro, was there ever a fix?

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directhex:

timo, look for "hw csum error"

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ShiftyPowers:

sounds like no

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iamlindoro:

If only there was a tab-autocomplete for grammar and language...

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directhex:

sorry, "hw csum failure"

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iamlindoro:

ShiftyPowers: Not if that ticket still shows as open

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directhex:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lin . . . 0/comments/3

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iamlindoro:

ShiftyPowers: You get lots of extra credit from me for actually checking TRAC, though :)

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ShiftyPowers:

:) thanks, figured i'd check the status at least before the flame here :)

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ShiftyPowers:

sounds like it is somewhat closed

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ShiftyPowers:

it's been "Accepted"

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timo:

nope can find nout really. http://pastebin.ca/978944

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iamlindoro:

ShiftyPowers: Accepted isn't closed, it's the opposite

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iamlindoro:

It means an open, known issue

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ShiftyPowers:

ah

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ShiftyPowers:

sorry

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ShiftyPowers:

but hasn't been modified in a few months

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ShiftyPowers:

so less active i take it since it's more of a nuisance than anything else

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iamlindoro:

ShiftyPowers: There are tickets that haven't been modified in *years*

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timo:

should i start mythtv and dmesg at the same time

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iamlindoro:

ShiftyPowers: Yes, it's purely "cosmetic"

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ShiftyPowers:

yep

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timo:

ok night

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iamlindoro:

ShiftyPowers: If I had to guess I'd say your broadcaster is encapsulating 60 fps streams in a 30 fps container

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah that's what it sounds like from reading it

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iamlindoro:

So when it divides totalframes/fps to get totallength.... it's 2x

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Don't be going back in time seven months and filing bugs to pretend you know what you're talking about ;)

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AngryElf:

iamlindoro: think i was talking w/ you the other night about HD cable boxes — my cable company is supposidly going to push an update to my box sometime in the near future they have *one* guy that does it

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AngryElf:

so, progress, but we'll wait and see

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iamlindoro:

AngryElf: Hmm, update for firewire?

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iamlindoro:

sorry, I feel like all I've done the past few weeks is talk about STBs so I'm trying to clue in to what we were talking about

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AngryElf:

er, yea, firewire from my hd box

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iamlindoro:

AngryElf: Well, if they'll push a new policy to your specific box, that's really good. More response than most get from the cable co

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iamlindoro:

I'll cross my fingers for you

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AngryElf:

thanx, i'll drop in to let you know

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iamlindoro:

It's like firewire month in #mythtv-users

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iamlindoro:

I feel like we went months and months without anyone coming in about firewire issues and all of the sudden everyone is trying. It's funny.

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