| Saturday, April 5th, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:08] | mkrufky: | why else did i poke fun at you for asking dvb questions in #v4l ? |
| [00:00:08] | Yahooadam: | but cheers for pointing me in the right direction |
| [00:00:09] | mkrufky: | :-P |
| [00:00:19] | Yahooadam: | you could have told me where to go then though ;) |
| [00:00:22] | mkrufky: | i did |
| [00:00:24] | mkrufky: | yesterday |
| [00:00:27] | mkrufky: | i have tyo go now, tho |
| [00:00:29] | mkrufky: | good luck |
| [00:00:33] | Yahooadam: | kk, cheers |
| [00:00:36] | mkrufky: | l8r |
| [00:00:48] | Saviq: | Yahooadam: you can 'tzap -r' manually and then cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 | mplayer - |
| [00:00:52] | Saviq: | should play |
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| [00:01:04] | CyberKnet: | http://www.cetoncorp.com/ProductsEclipse.php |
| [00:01:16] | CyberKnet: | interesting... |
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| [00:04:25] | Yahooadam: | Saviq – it doesnt seem to be outputting any data ... |
| [00:04:56] | Saviq: | does tzap say that the channel is locked? |
| [00:06:07] | Yahooadam: | ah, seems to be working now |
| [00:06:12] | Yahooadam: | dunno what was up before |
| [00:10:35] | Yahooadam: | ok, i cant seem to get a way to view the video, mainly because my backend doesnt have a gui of any sort |
| [00:10:47] | Yahooadam: | atm im using SSH with x forwarding, but it doesnt like that |
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| [00:16:47] | lanuser: | Hello – anyone ever use a Command IR blaster/receiver? |
| [00:18:42] | cesman: | hello lanuser, yes I do |
| [00:18:57] | cesman: | lanuser: I only use the receiver not the blaster at the moment |
| [00:21:36] | lanuser: | cesman: is it USB and a single receiver with the possibility of 4 blasters? |
| [00:22:26] | cesman: | lanuser: USB, one receiver and up to 4 blasters |
| [00:23:15] | lanuser: | cesman: just out of curiosity, how'd you end up with one if you don't need blaster support? |
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| [00:24:30] | ** cesman as the creator of KnoppMyth was contacted by CommandIR. ** | |
| [00:24:57] | cesman: | lanuser: works out the box w/ KnoppMyth ;) |
| [00:25:20] | Yahooadam: | shocking :p |
| [00:25:42] | lanuser: | sweet, and nice work on Knoppmyth! |
| [00:25:49] | cesman: | lanuser: thanks |
| [00:25:57] | cesman: | I try... |
| [00:25:58] | lanuser: | I think I'm going to buy one |
| [00:26:02] | squish102: | i have no idea how to create a shortcut on my XFce desktop. am i going crazy? |
| [00:26:46] | cesman: | squish102: what would one have to do with the other? |
| [00:27:04] | squish102: | lol |
| [00:29:59] | Saviq: | Yahooadam: you can stream the data into a file (cat /dev... > tmp.mpg) and copy the file to your local machine and mplayer will run it fine |
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| [00:30:54] | st1650: | Do I need the non-free Ati drivers if all I want to do is movie playback? Ati card is HD3200 |
| [00:31:54] | iamlindoro: | What you need is an nvidia card |
| [00:32:06] | iamlindoro: | ATI+Myth=Steaming load |
| [00:32:13] | st1650: | iamlindoro: I know, I'm just playing with a diskless setup |
| [00:32:25] | st1650: | And all I had to play was my AMD780g chipset |
| [00:32:44] | iamlindoro: | considering how nigh-impossible even the proprietary drivers are to make work marginally, I would have no hope whatsoever about the free drivers |
| [00:33:07] | cesman: | iamlindoro, please take Myth out of that equation |
| [00:33:08] | st1650: | iamlindoro: Yeah but isnt playback mostly CPU ? |
| [00:33:27] | iamlindoro: | cesman: Even a good thing can be ruined by ATI :) |
| [00:33:30] | cesman: | iamlindoro MythTV has nothing to do with ATi's drivers sucking ;) |
| [00:33:35] | cesman: | lol |
| [00:33:45] | justinh: | Aval0n: woh yoo wah? |
| [00:33:51] | iamlindoro: | st1650: It's not about getting the acceleration out of them, it's about even being able to put moving pictures on the screen |
| [00:34:17] | st1650: | iamlindoro: It's that bad ? |
| [00:34:20] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [00:34:30] | st1650: | man, nvidia was so easy |
| [00:34:39] | iamlindoro: | I mean, you can try, nobody is stopping you, but when it doesn't work there will be laughing and pointing |
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| [00:35:03] | st1650: | Sucks... because the AMD780G is the 'ultime' htpc setup |
| [00:35:09] | st1650: | I guess I'll wait for N8200 |
| [00:35:15] | st1650: | nvidia chipset/video |
| [00:35:28] | justinh: | Aval0n: if it's about themes I'm not in |
| [00:36:51] | iamlindoro: | no, it's about porting the VLC smell-o-vision plugin to MythTV ;) |
| [00:37:05] | ** iamlindoro wishes he was more than mildly joking ** | |
| [00:37:17] | iamlindoro: | different sense, same idea |
| [00:37:53] | Yahooadam: | oh great, now my pvr150 is dead |
| [00:38:07] | justinh: | gonna have to write a script to put people who aren't on a whitelist, on auto-ignore when they send /msg to me |
| [00:38:26] | justinh: | Yahooadam: it's your lucky day! I've got one for sale on ebay! |
| [00:38:43] | iamlindoro: | even in the same country, lucky you! |
| [00:38:44] | justinh: | no bids as yet. 0.99 plus p&p |
| [00:38:57] | Yahooadam: | wow |
| [00:39:07] | Yahooadam: | but, i think its a driver/config issue |
| [00:39:25] | justinh: | you can never have too many pvr-150 cards though.. unless you're me |
| [00:39:32] | justinh: | :P |
| [00:40:25] | Yahooadam: | id rather have a working nova-t 500 – got one of them? :p |
| [00:40:54] | ** justinh mutters something about bleeding edge kernels ** | |
| [00:41:22] | justinh: | watched The Forbin Project tonight. ahh if only mythtv were more like Colossus |
| [00:41:29] | Yahooadam: | its nothing to do with that justinh >_> |
| [00:41:52] | justinh: | there'd certainly be no defamatory comments in the wiki :P |
| [00:43:41] | Yahooadam: | right |
| [00:43:46] | Yahooadam: | i have my pvr150 back :p |
| [00:44:11] | Yahooadam: | and its even working, bloomin heck |
| [00:44:33] | justinh: | wash yer mouth out.. coming in here swearing like a sailor. sheesh |
| [00:45:06] | Yahooadam: | now, about that nova-t :p |
| [00:45:18] | justinh: | tried Hubba Bubba? |
| [00:45:29] | justinh: | I fixed a CCTV DVR with some today |
| [00:45:35] | Yahooadam: | lol |
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| [00:48:14] | Yahooadam: | i wonder whether i should buy a new tuner, i mean, ive done so much work i have to wonder if it actually is a hardware issue |
| [00:49:22] | ** iamlindoro notes that his cable company muxes 33 SD programs onto one channel ** | |
| [00:49:40] | justinh: | Yahooadam: if a lamegrabber I've had stored unprotected at the bottom of a junk box for the last 5 years (and all the rummaging around that entails) still works... |
| [00:49:58] | hadees: | is there anyway to specify you want a recording to be in HD only? |
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| [00:50:26] | iamlindoro: | hadees: What do you mean by that wuestion? A program either is HD or it isn't. |
| [00:50:42] | Yahooadam: | justinh – well im gonna do some more testing, i might try and steal my parents nova-t 5 |
| [00:50:44] | Yahooadam: | 00 |
| [00:51:13] | hadees: | iamlindoro, i'm talking about channels that show the same thing but one feed has HD and the other doesn't |
| [00:51:19] | hadees: | like food network and food network HD |
| [00:51:34] | iamlindoro: | hadees: Then just write the rule for always on the HD vrsion of the channel |
| [00:51:47] | Yahooadam: | change the "visible" flag on the "food network" to 0 |
| [00:52:28] | iamlindoro: | There's absolutely no need to do that |
| [00:52:38] | hadees: | i usually make the call signs for those channels the same because i normally don't mind which one records |
| [00:53:19] | iamlindoro: | hadees: Stop doing that |
| [00:53:50] | hadees: | iamlindoro, it works better for me because i make a rule and it works on both channels since they show the same things |
| [00:54:37] | hadees: | it is just in one case, i want to archive Good Eats HD |
| [00:54:47] | hadees: | and thats where the problem is, i don't care about the STD version |
| [00:54:55] | hadees: | because i already have it |
| [00:55:10] | iamlindoro: | hadees: You dug your own grave, you shouldn't have named them the same callsign if you care about one over the other |
| [00:55:21] | justinh: | iamlindoro: btw, the new thing is coming along nicely |
| [00:55:38] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Nice! I'll have to check for new screenies later |
| [00:55:41] | justinh: | tested it on my frontend tonight & I actually like it |
| [00:55:47] | iamlindoro: | for now ;) |
| [00:56:26] | hadees: | justinh, i can still view the channels separately, they have different channel numbers it just when mythtv goes to record it knows the channels show the same thing |
| [00:56:36] | justinh: | nah this is different. I'm not all W00T about this one. There's none of that "I found out how to do something new so I overused it" stuff ;) |
| [00:56:48] | hadees: | so it will try for the HD one because i have a tuner preference |
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| [00:57:20] | hadees: | i wonder how hard it would be to add that into the code, i know the guides know when things are in HD |
| [00:58:16] | justinh: | hadees: like you can view categories – make a 'HD' category? not a bad idea |
| [00:58:22] | hadees: | iamlindoro, you really don't see the advantage of MythTV knowing although they are two different channels all the shows are the same |
| [00:58:41] | Dagmar: | Dunno but I'm seriously thinking about going in and hacking in support for saving the last scale/stretch state per frontend with each video, as well as adding a default per playback groups (if it's not in there alerady and I've overlooked it) |
| [00:58:44] | iamlindoro: | hadees: There is a *reason* that cable companies and broadcasters give them different callsigns |
| [00:58:50] | justinh: | hadees: channels can have priorities too :) |
| [00:59:07] | hadees: | yeah but isn't it only record on this channel or on any channel |
| [00:59:11] | iamlindoro: | hadees: Just because you went and did something silly by giving them the same name doesn't meant myth *should* accomodate it, even though it can |
| [00:59:14] | hadees: | you can say record on these two channels |
| [00:59:18] | hadees: | can't |
| [00:59:45] | justinh: | Dagmar: wouldn't mind a scan type override too. sick of having to set channel Five recordings to Interlaced. They ARE interlaced damnit |
| [00:59:45] | hadees: | maybe MythTV needs explicted support for channels that show the same programing and then i wouldn't have to change the call signs |
| [01:00:31] | hadees: | Dagmar, isn't there already a patch to auto fill? |
| [01:00:45] | hadees: | auto adjust the fill i mean |
| [01:00:46] | ** iamlindoro loves how people's silliness always comes down to a problem w/ mythtv ** | |
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| [01:02:58] | hadees: | also me changing the call signs makes sure MythTV won't record the same thing on both channels at the same time |
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| [01:03:21] | hadees: | given there isn't enough info to know they are the same show |
| [01:03:30] | iamlindoro: | hadees: Once again, if you were writing your recording rules properly that would never happen anyway |
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| [01:05:37] | hadees: | how would you write the recording rule? |
| [01:06:08] | hadees: | not for that instance but to make sure mythtv knew the show was the same on two different channels |
| [01:06:19] | hadees: | that always show the same thing |
| [01:08:53] | justinh: | hadees: if the channels have different callsigns, just give the SD channel a much lower priority |
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| [01:09:37] | hadees: | justinh, but what you record any instance of the show and you have enough tuners to record both the SD and the HD at the same time |
| [01:10:39] | hadees: | justinh, i like your category idea, can shows have multiple categories though? |
| [01:11:01] | ajh: | Could someone point me in the right direction on building, configure's returning everything as expected now except XvMC OpenGL sup. and OpenGL video, with the nvidia driver. XvMC is pointed at the Nvidia lib in /etc/X11/XvMCConfig but I'm clearly missing something. |
| [01:11:11] | hadees: | i don't think you would want to loose the actual category of the show |
| [01:13:19] | hadees: | looks like there are a bunch with 2 categories but i wonder if you could add a 3rd |
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| [01:14:25] | hadees: | oh i guess thats just the search, you can have 3 |
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| [01:14:37] | hadees: | or browse i mean |
| [01:16:09] | hadees: | ajh, whats happening? |
| [01:16:21] | hadees: | is this for decoding HD? |
| [01:16:36] | ajh: | ./configure is just not finding the nvidia libs |
| [01:16:54] | hadees: | ajh, mythtv's ./configure? |
| [01:17:00] | ajh: | yes |
| [01:17:06] | hadees: | what distro is it? |
| [01:17:40] | ajh: | ubuntu 7.10 but the libs are the nvidia binary ones |
| [01:18:20] | ajh: | ah, I seem to have been missing a switch, hope this works |
| [01:18:46] | justinh: | hadees: they tend not to have different genres, and something is either HD or it isn't :) |
| [01:20:49] | Dagmar: | ajh: Generally it doesn't need to |
| [01:20:55] | Dagmar: | Two things... |
| [01:21:00] | hadees: | justinh, yeah, i really like the idea of putting it in categories, and this might be a good project for me since i think you just need to mess with mythfilldatabase and not the gui |
| [01:21:01] | hadees: | =) |
| [01:21:07] | Dagmar: | 1. You don't need to manually populate that XvMCconfig file ever |
| [01:21:12] | ajh: | Ah, now I'm only missing XvMC OpenGL Sup |
| [01:21:29] | Dagmar: | Left to it's own devices, the nVidia installer WILL deliver you libs that will work, automagically. |
| [01:21:38] | ajh: | dagmar, I forgot to remove the packaged driver before installing the other. |
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| [01:21:55] | Dagmar: | 2. You also don't need to worry about what the configure script detects, if you have a "normal" X install and a "normal" nVidia driver install |
| [01:22:25] | ajh: | it should be, what does the XvMC OpenGL Sup refer to? |
| [01:22:47] | Dagmar: | Shit that crashes the whole machine. |
| [01:22:47] | Dagmar: | :) |
| [01:22:49] | Dagmar: | Well, usually... |
| [01:22:53] | ajh: | heh, ok |
| [01:22:57] | ajh: | thanks. |
| [01:23:01] | Dagmar: | Lately it refers to "shit with no video on the second run of the frontend" |
| [01:23:18] | ajh: | ok, I won't worry about it then. |
| [01:23:33] | Dagmar: | So long as you see it say "yes" for everything up to XvMC OpenGL sup. you should wind up with a working setup |
| [01:23:49] | ajh: | Yes, everything else except fribidi is yes. |
| [01:24:02] | ajh: | and I'm not going to be worrying about right to left languages :) |
| [01:24:17] | Dagmar: | Remember, the nVidia driver was designed to more or less transparently hmm... what's the word, coup? well, "wrest control" from the usual libXvMC |
| [01:24:29] | Dagmar: | So a lot of shit shouldnt' even ever mention anything about the nVidia driver |
| [01:24:40] | ajh: | ok, I'll finish the build and see how things go. |
| [01:25:02] | ajh: | finally splitting the front/back end. |
| [01:25:23] | Dagmar: | I'm lookin' at the logs from my last build of 0.21-fixes last week as I'm typing this too, so you should be fine |
| [01:25:33] | ajh: | cool. |
| [01:30:05] | ajh: | is there stuff for the antec vfd in myth or do I still need a separate module etc? |
| [01:30:42] | hadees: | what do you mean module? |
| [01:30:47] | Dagmar: | Eh? Far as I know the thing has the support necesszry |
| [01:30:48] | hadees: | you mean lcdproc? |
| [01:31:09] | cesman: | ajh: MythTV "talks" to LCD/VFD via LCDproc |
| [01:31:11] | Dagmar: | You just need the driver for the VFD, which is entirely separate from Myth |
| [01:32:59] | StKittyHa: | anybody know a program that will let me convert bootable ISO ---> usb-flash ? willing to pay for it |
| [01:33:11] | justinh: | dd |
| [01:33:24] | Dagmar: | There's no "program for" doing it |
| [01:33:26] | ajh: | cesman/dagmar, ok thanks. |
| [01:33:28] | ** xris agrees with justinh ... that's what dd is for ** | |
| [01:33:36] | Dagmar: | You either know how to read the documentation for isolinux or you are f**ked. |
| [01:34:23] | Dagmar: | dd alone won't do it |
| [01:34:53] | CyberKnet: | sup xris |
| [01:35:33] | xris: | 'evening |
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| [01:36:10] | CyberKnet: | what did you think of the Ceton M-Card I posted? |
| [01:36:21] | xris: | didn't see it |
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| [01:36:33] | CyberKnet: | http://www.cetoncorp.com/ProductsEclipse.php |
| [01:36:54] | iamlindoro_: | You'll never see it usable in linux as a normal tuner |
| [01:37:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... It's beginning to look like anything recorded on my backend since upgrading it to 0.21 won't play on my x-box frontend (that I just upgraded to Xebian 1.1.4 and 0.21... [strange]) |
| [01:37:14] | iamlindoro_: | Still has to get approved by Cablelabs, and they won't approve a system where the recordings don't end up DRM'd |
| [01:37:24] | DustyBin: | could EIT flick itself back on in mythtv-setup? |
| [01:37:37] | iamlindoro_: | The talk of "Linux OS w/ API" is for embedded purposes only |
| [01:37:43] | iamlindoro_: | a la Tivo |
| [01:37:52] | DustyBin: | my Nova-T keeps on disconnecting all of a sudden, its been good for a while now suddenly not working properly |
| [01:38:04] | CyberKnet: | Hmmm... I haven't seen that info about |
| [01:38:08] | CyberKnet: | not that I doubt it. |
| [01:38:25] | CyberKnet: | But I did see an ... interesting ... post on the avsforum boards from an employee at ceton |
| [01:38:47] | iamlindoro_: | Have seen it, nowhere does he imply that usage in hobbyist DVRs is possible |
| [01:38:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... What's strange is that the video preview plays fine, just not the 'full-screen' version... weird... |
| [01:39:15] | Dagmar: | Hobbyist DVR use is pretty much impossible |
| [01:39:27] | CyberKnet: | The "no comment" as opposed to "no, never, not possible" is what interested me. |
| [01:39:44] | CyberKnet: | I mean, I am well aware of CableLabs stance... so I'm not living in hope |
| [01:39:48] | CyberKnet: | but interested ... sure |
| [01:40:13] | Dagmar: | It's not their "stance" |
| [01:40:17] | Dagmar: | It's the fucking licencing body. |
| [01:40:49] | CyberKnet: | Dagmar: No need to go off the deep end buddy. |
| [01:40:59] | Dagmar: | The same people who brought you "5C" have teamed up to bring you a complete and total c*ckblocking of getting at those streams in any manner that doesn't involve total DRM. |
| [01:41:16] | Dagmar: | CyberKnet: There's also no need to try and blame a manufacturer |
| [01:41:34] | StKittyHa: | i have winxpsetupcd.iso and acronis.iso if i convert them to cd ; it boots fine; but i want to use flash drive |
| [01:41:51] | CyberKnet: | Dagmar: Please, read again, I never even implied it was the manufacturers fault. |
| [01:42:06] | Dagmar: | Whatever |
| [01:42:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | StKittyHa: wrong channel? |
| [01:42:22] | Dagmar: | It's not their "stance"/ |
| [01:42:52] | CyberKnet: | Sure it is. It's just that their "stance" is the only available one to license. |
| [01:42:57] | iamlindoro_: | CyberKnet: AFAICT he says "can't comment on unannounced products" re: other platforms besides Vista-- But I would strongly lean towards that being Mac OS over linux/hobbyist use |
| [01:43:00] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [01:43:08] | Dagmar: | IAgain, it's not their "stance". They don't have any options. |
| [01:43:11] | Dagmar: | There's no "theirs" to it. |
| [01:43:31] | CyberKnet: | Dagmar: Sorry, let me clarify... I am referring to CableLabs when I say sure it is. |
| [01:43:53] | CyberKnet: | It is CableLabs stance, and that is the only one available to license. |
| [01:44:12] | Dagmar: | \How about this |
| [01:44:21] | Dagmar: | You go and _read_ all the legal materials about it and THEN talk |
| [01:44:41] | CyberKnet: | Dagmar: I have no idea why you are on the offensive... take a chill pill or something. |
| [01:45:02] | Dagmar: | I have no idea why you keep changing your argument. |
| [01:45:38] | iamlindoro_: | Cablelabs specifically requires in the cablecard API that the resulting recordings be DRM'ed, and that the drivers for accessing the card be closed-source... personally I don't see a) anyone writing a closed-source driver for the card under linux and making it freely available, or b) MythTV adopting DRM for the recordings... but I suppose anything is possible |
| [01:46:06] | Dagmar: | No one would be able to provide the assurances their requirements entail. |
| [01:46:15] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: I agree. But if b happened, I'd choose it over nothing. |
| [01:46:21] | iamlindoro_: | erm, sorry, they require in the license aggreement, not the API, duh |
| [01:46:29] | Dagmar: | It simply requires things akin to that TCPA shit from the 90's that we rejected, then. |
| [01:46:49] | Dagmar: | If you're going to have CableCard stateside, then you *don't* get control of your own hardware. Period. |
| [01:47:04] | CyberKnet: | Dagmar: I apologise for my miscommunications appearing as an opinion change... but that's all that has transpired. |
| [01:47:19] | Dagmar: | The trusted computing doesn't mean you can trust them, it means they can trust the hardware to put their interests above yours. |
| [01:47:21] | iamlindoro_: | As I don't ever intend to share/pirate recordings I would live with any watermarking/unobtrusive DRM where I can authorize all the computers in my house-- but some people can't live with any restriction-- I personally am okay with compromise |
| [01:47:55] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Well, I'm a bit more hostile about it. I have fair use and I'm damn well going to keep exercising it. |
| [01:48:16] | Dagmar: | Too many people seem to think this is some nebulous concept that Fair Use is required |
| [01:48:20] | iamlindoro_: | I doubt we'll ever see anything I would consider a reasonable solution by the cable cos anyway :) |
| [01:48:25] | Dagmar: | It's about as important as Freedom of Speech. |
| [01:48:44] | Dagmar: | Without it, the entire copyright system turns into a black hole from which rights do NOT return, ever. |
| [01:48:51] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: Now how about digital watermarking? If you don't intend to mass-share it there's no harm it that, do you agree? |
| [01:49:18] | Dagmar: | Copyright was meant from day one, to be a _compromise_ between the interests of advancing society, and the interests of innovators/authors. |
| [01:49:28] | iamlindoro_: | Would still allow you to copy it around your house as you wish, maybe even share with family... as long as it doesn't go on the internets you're never in any trouble |
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| [01:49:38] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Why should I allow them to sully a work with their bloody corporate logo? |
| [01:49:43] | Dagmar: | They had no part in creation of that content |
| [01:49:55] | Dagmar: | They'll have no part in whatever fair use rights I exercise either |
| [01:50:00] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: I don't mean visible watermarking, I mean digitally signed |
| [01:50:02] | CyberKnet: | Dagmar: I'm fairly sure he meant a watermark that was invisible to the human eye |
| [01:50:42] | Dagmar: | \I've yet to see anyone actually implement any digital watermarking that wasn't either visible, or didn't come with automatic signal degradation as a "bonus feature" |
| [01:51:02] | Dagmar: | Like how the nice HDMI downsamples your outputs to non-HDCP equipment |
| [01:51:17] | iamlindoro_: | Ah well... everyone has strong opinions about it-- alas, we'll never see anything approaching a decent solution... It's HD-PVRs all around, then! |
| [01:51:35] | Dagmar: | Every step in the wrong direction is one they will never give up once they have it. |
| [01:51:42] | Dagmar: | You won't get "just" digital watermarking |
| [01:51:54] | ** iamlindoro_ points out that the HD-PVR page just went up :) ** | |
| [01:52:17] | CyberKnet: | I love my myth box... a lot ... but if I could get HD, commercial skipping and time stretch from a vista media center... I might have two PVRs : |
| [01:52:18] | CyberKnet: | :) |
| [01:52:27] | Dagmar: | They'll get that and keep it, and then a few years later they'll push for and get more concessions, like branded watermarking visible on the screen, or some other onerous thing that they've decided will make them more money |
| [01:52:49] | iamlindoro_: | CyberKnet: HD-PVR from Hauppauge FTW |
| [01:52:53] | CyberKnet: | Dagmar: Yes, I agree there. Giving up small freedoms never ends. |
| [01:53:04] | Dagmar: | Remember, originally we had free TV with commercials, and then cable TV without it |
| [01:53:18] | Dagmar: | ...then cable TV got commercials. |
| [01:53:33] | Dagmar: | ...and now we're getting f**king commercials on the program guides, and interfaces that become crappier with each revision |
| [01:53:34] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: navigating |
| [01:54:07] | iamlindoro_: | hmm? |
| [01:54:18] | Dagmar: | ...and why are the interfaces on newer cable boxes slower and crappier? Because the slower and less responsive they are, the longer those ads stay on the screen. |
| [01:54:20] | CyberKnet: | Dagmar: let us not forget being locked out of the content we pay for in advance. |
| [01:54:30] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: I am navigating to the page to see |
| [01:54:35] | iamlindoro_: | ah |
| [01:54:43] | Dagmar: | Within five years you're going to see DVRs out on the market that show you a commercial when you try to skip over parts of the content. |
| [01:54:52] | Dagmar: | ...and it'll be another "reasonable trade-off". |
| [01:54:54] | iamlindoro_: | Hisssssssssss |
| [01:55:02] | ** iamlindoro_ hugs his myth box again ** | |
| [01:55:03] | Dagmar: | Instead of skipping all the commercials, you'll "only" have to watch one |
| [01:55:20] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: I don't even want to *think* what that thing will cost |
| [01:55:40] | iamlindoro_: | $250 |
| [01:55:49] | iamlindoro_: | we've all been talking about it for three months, where you been? |
| [01:55:55] | Dagmar: | CyberKnet: Hell, I can cite two examples of being locked out of content that was paid for, just because of DRM |
| [01:55:56] | CyberKnet: | Not here |
| [01:56:02] | GreyFoxx: | Do they have the preorder site up now? |
| [01:56:14] | Dagmar: | ESPN had several seasons of games they licenced to people to download online from before 2000. |
| [01:56:14] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Not AFAICT, but the product site went up |
| [01:56:39] | Dagmar: | Those DRM licences have now expired, making the content which was purchased in good faith to be viewable in perpetuity no longer available. |
| [01:56:41] | GreyFoxx: | yeah I see that |
| [01:56:43] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: seems to be hastily put up, if you click on the HD-PVR icon on the front page it takes to to a random non-HD-PVR page, heh... |
| [01:56:59] | iamlindoro_: | whereas clicking the text link takes you to the product page |
| [01:57:01] | Dagmar: | ESPN refuses to issue new licences to continue allowing people to view those seasons. |
| [01:57:14] | Dagmar: | So... To hell with people being able to get their fair use. |
| [01:57:29] | CyberKnet: | Ooh, this is the component capture device. |
| [01:57:46] | Dagmar: | I've got a few movie CDs here that used a proprietary codec which was part codec and part video driver. |
| [01:57:51] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Interesting that it's showing shipping May 1 instead of end of May like we hear thing morning |
| [01:57:54] | Dagmar: | Those drivers are not usable under anything but Windows 98 and older. |
| [01:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [01:58:02] | Dagmar: | They will never be legally viewable again |
| [01:58:13] | iamlindoro_: | er heard |
| [01:58:42] | CyberKnet: | Hmmm.... that's an interesting device. |
| [01:58:55] | CyberKnet: | my TV only displays 1080i, so that might just be good enough. |
| [02:00:04] | iamlindoro_: | Considering the max you can get via cable is 1080i anyway, for recording television purposes 1080p would be irrelevant |
| [02:00:42] | iamlindoro_: | It's far more use as a Television capture device-- if you want Blu-ray captures just rip the disk, no need to give up the quality |
| [02:00:58] | CyberKnet: | Since obviously I've been hibernating ... what is the buzz regarding linux/myth support for this bad boy? |
| [02:01:42] | iamlindoro_: | There will be a driver for it at/near release, the streams already work in pretty much all the usual suspects, Myth would need to add explicit support |
| [02:02:40] | iamlindoro_: | although adding myth support, comparitively speaking, will be a walk in the park |
| [02:02:44] | CyberKnet: | interesting |
| [02:02:55] | iamlindoro_: | (spoken as the person who doesn't have to add said support ;) ) |
| [02:03:10] | CyberKnet: | Too bad it means 1 STB / month + $250 per input. |
| [02:03:18] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: lol |
| [02:04:28] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: some new shots are up. I'm going to bed |
| [02:04:41] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Cool, will check them out! Good night |
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| [02:05:23] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: *really* dig the disk usage bar |
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| [02:08:24] | Kazan: | what is quartz-blit and how is it different from xv-blit |
| [02:08:33] | Kazan: | i updated and the update munged my playback profiles |
| [02:09:00] | iamlindoro: | Quartz is a Mac OS video API |
| [02:09:43] | ** Kazan beats the heck out of the update ** | |
| [02:09:57] | Kazan: | it inserted two quartz blit profiles into my linux machine's profile |
| [02:10:05] | Kazan: | and killed the cpu count |
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| [02:10:50] | Kazan: | it basically blasted my profile |
| [02:10:55] | Kazan: | max CPUs was 1 instead of 2 |
| [02:11:01] | Kazan: | deinterlacers were changed |
| [02:11:03] | Kazan: | etc etc |
| [02:11:08] | Kazan: | i wondered why my cpu utilization doubled |
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| [02:12:26] | iamlindoro: | The Max CPUs will only help you with h.264 material anyway |
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| [02:12:37] | Kazan: | true |
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| [02:12:48] | Kazan: | but having an deint turned on when you don't need one... causes some problems |
| [02:12:51] | iamlindoro: | but choosing the right deinterlacer and renderer sure make a lot of difference :) |
| [02:12:54] | Kazan: | especially when it's Greedy2x |
| [02:13:08] | iamlindoro: | Greedy2x = Not just a clever name :) |
| [02:13:35] | Kazan: | plus.. this particular episode (it's a video not a recording) doesn't like to get along with myth for some reason |
| [02:13:56] | Kazan: | it's flipping out with audio data underruns |
| [02:14:40] | Kazan: | even with my profiles resotred to what they should be |
| [02:14:51] | iamlindoro: | Kazan: have you tried turning on aggressive audio buffering? |
| [02:14:54] | Kazan: | it's having problems with audio data underruns... causes the video to stutter bad.. |
| [02:14:59] | Kazan: | hmm.. i think so.. lemme check again |
| [02:15:03] | Kazan: | that is in playback profiles, yes? |
| [02:15:14] | iamlindoro: | nope, general settings |
| [02:15:40] | iamlindoro: | page 3, it's a checkbox |
| [02:16:03] | Kazan: | still happening |
| [02:16:10] | Kazan: | it's only on a few videos though |
| [02:16:11] | iamlindoro: | ah well |
| [02:16:18] | Kazan: | i think xine doesn't bitch about them :P |
| [02:16:47] | Kazan: | it's there a way to configure mythvideo to have an "alternative playback program" configured? |
| [02:17:15] | iamlindoro: | you can use an external player in mythvideo, yes |
| [02:17:24] | Kazan: | i know that |
| [02:17:28] | Kazan: | what i meant was have Internal as default |
| [02:17:34] | Kazan: | but then have a menu option to instead "Play using Xine" |
| [02:17:39] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [02:17:46] | Kazan: | darn |
| [02:17:52] | Kazan: | wouldn't be a difficult feature to implement either |
| [02:17:57] | iamlindoro: | You can just set that per-video though |
| [02:18:14] | iamlindoro: | edit the metadata on the video in question, edit the custom player field |
| [02:18:20] | iamlindoro: | in video manager |
| [02:18:20] | Kazan: | really |
| [02:18:23] | Kazan: | hmm |
| [02:18:33] | iamlindoro: | Yep, video manager, select a video, last field |
| [02:19:51] | Kazan: | hmm |
| [02:19:52] | Kazan: | wtf |
| [02:19:59] | Kazan: | i just manipulated my DB directly |
| [02:20:13] | iamlindoro: | no need to do that, although I suppose you can if you want to |
| [02:20:15] | Kazan: | to replace VideoDefaultPlayer from Internal to "xine -pfhq --no-splash" ... didn't change what it's using |
| [02:20:19] | Kazan: | it's easier :P |
| [02:20:25] | Kazan: | don't have to get up that way :P |
| [02:20:27] | iamlindoro: | only if it works |
| [02:20:31] | iamlindoro: | which it didn't |
| [02:21:29] | Kazan: | it normally does |
| [02:21:33] | Kazan: | for some reason it didn't take effect |
| [02:21:56] | ** Kazan restarts frontend ** | |
| [02:22:01] | hadees: | justinh, so i haven't tried it yet but you don't need HDTV as a category, you can just use Custom Record and that will let you pretty much compare to anything in the program table, in fact Custom Record is really cool, i don't know why i don't use it more often |
| [02:22:23] | hadees: | that includes the hdtv flag in there |
| [02:22:38] | Kazan: | that did it :P |
| [02:22:42] | Kazan: | it just was caching the data |
| [02:23:00] | Kazan: | yup... xine doesn't have a problem with the video |
| [02:23:01] | Kazan: | Internal does |
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| [02:24:59] | sinthetek: | for some reason a power outtage seems to have corrupted my listing information |
| [02:25:20] | sinthetek: | now shows seem to be trying to record 15min late and there are two listings (one full of unknowns) for each channel |
| [02:25:24] | iamlindoro: | MySQL doesn't take kindly to power outages |
| [02:25:48] | sinthetek: | i noticed, but this is the first time it's called for anything more than repair tables |
| [02:26:23] | iamlindoro: | you can try myisamchk and see how that goes, I suppose |
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| [02:26:45] | sinthetek: | figures it would happen yesterday morning...while i was out of town and before new episodes of my two fav shows started :( |
| [02:27:27] | sinthetek: | is postgres a lot better? |
| [02:28:20] | cesman: | sinthetek: go ask in #postgres ;) |
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| [02:31:01] | sinthetek: | you're absolutely right. where else would i expect to get an unbiased answer related to specific problems unique to this particular application |
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| [02:31:37] | cesman: | take it easy dude... |
| [02:31:41] | cesman: | it was a joke |
| [02:31:45] | purserj: | sinthetek: you're probably not going to get many DB admins in here |
| [02:32:01] | iamlindoro: | Not to mention Myth doesn't support anything but MySQL anyway these days, does it? |
| [02:32:09] | purserj: | and given that myth doesn't actually use postgres |
| [02:32:13] | sinthetek: | that's why i'm fucking asking in here |
| [02:32:20] | iamlindoro: | whoah now |
| [02:32:23] | purserj: | right |
| [02:32:24] | sinthetek: | purserj: it doesn't take an admin to know |
| [02:32:25] | cesman: | I guess you do realize how rabid some Postgres folks can be... |
| [02:32:51] | sinthetek: | mysql seems to work fine with crashes with every other app i run and my db driven websites |
| [02:32:57] | purserj: | sinthetek: dude language for a start. also realise that many people are here because they use myth and their only interaction with a db is mythconverg |
| [02:33:04] | sinthetek: | none of the other tables seem to crash except in relation to mythtv |
| [02:33:25] | cesman: | s/do/don't |
| [02:33:29] | purserj: | so they would have no idea whether postgres, mssql, sqlite or any other rdbms is better or not |
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| [02:33:45] | cesman: | well, now that I've stir the emotions... |
| [02:33:49] | cesman: | gotta run to the store |
| [02:34:10] | iamlindoro: | As with any totally useless topic, we'll likely still be discussing it when you return |
| [02:34:57] | purserj: | so if the uselessness of a topic relates to the amount of discussion it generates then new media support in myth must be super important ;) |
| [02:35:34] | iamlindoro: | purserj: What media is it you feel is being neglected? |
| [02:35:52] | purserj: | iamlindoro: mainly pod/vodcasts, but I'm working on that |
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| [02:36:15] | hadees: | i would agree about the pod/vodcast |
| [02:36:39] | hadees: | i have been using podcatcher and a cron job |
| [02:36:43] | iamlindoro: | Now if only someone would come up with one of those that didn't suck balls |
| [02:36:53] | hadees: | iamlindoro, shows? |
| [02:36:55] | iamlindoro: | a pod/vodcast, I mean, not the application for using them |
| [02:37:01] | hadees: | i like Revision3 shows |
| [02:37:02] | iamlindoro: | The apps are fine :D |
| [02:37:03] | sinthetek: | purserj: i've volunteered to support linux in various help channels on & off for years and i find it very annoying when people are redirected elsewhere and/or chastised for simple/general questions that can usually be answered with simple yes/no answers. apologies for language but it's annoying having to explain a specific problem but why you are asking it whre you are and/or why asking elsewhere wasn't/won't be very helpful |
| [02:37:07] | hadees: | the old TechTV guys |
| [02:37:13] | purserj: | iamlindoro: same could be said about 99% of FTA programmes |
| [02:37:21] | hadees: | and Tom Green has a pretty good show |
| [02:37:24] | iamlindoro: | purserj: I don't watch those either |
| [02:37:36] | purserj: | the way that I see it |
| [02:37:55] | purserj: | more people are moving to pod/vodcasts as a viable alternative to main stream media |
| [02:37:59] | sinthetek: | plus i'm already kinda in a bad mood that i missed bsg premiere i was waiting on for weeks, hah |
| [02:38:05] | purserj: | sinthetek: ah |
| [02:38:24] | iamlindoro: | They're replaying it all weekend, get it fixed quick and you should be able to grab it |
| [02:38:43] | purserj: | or you could grab it by other means |
| [02:39:11] | purserj: | that reminds me I've got to move the last ep of torchwood into myth |
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| [02:39:18] | hadees: | part of the reason podcasts/vod haven't taken off in my own opinion is because it could be easily made to download torrents that violate copy rights, in fact i get a few of my video podcasts via torrents |
| [02:39:19] | sinthetek: | purserj: i might as well. torrents will be available by the next showing |
| [02:39:23] | hadees: | just because it is faster |
| [02:39:41] | sinthetek: | but i left db server and my desktop running while i was gone for a funeral specifically for bsg |
| [02:39:46] | hadees: | and MythTV really really really doesn't want anything to do with copyright violations |
| [02:40:21] | hadees: | but i hear someone is working on MythNews to do downloads of video although i don't see the point in that really |
| [02:40:39] | purserj: | hadees: that would be me |
| [02:40:47] | purserj: | unless someone else is doing it as well |
| [02:41:10] | hadees: | purserj, ah well its a good start but i just don't really like MythNews |
| [02:41:30] | purserj: | hadees: I know, but its a starting point, already parses rss feeds, has basic download support |
| [02:41:36] | sinthetek: | anyone know offhand how to purge all of the tv listing data when there are chan dupes as i mentioned earlier? |
| [02:41:53] | hadees: | yeah but it doesn't auto download ahead of time right? |
| [02:41:59] | purserj: | hadees: not yet |
| [02:42:03] | sinthetek: | myisamchk didn't help |
| [02:42:11] | purserj: | sinthetek: could do a manual delete from |
| [02:42:35] | purserj: | I know it's painful but might be the best way to make sure your getting what you need to cull |
| [02:42:45] | purserj: | hadees: the plan is to basically build miro like functionality |
| [02:43:02] | purserj: | so you'd be looking at: |
| [02:43:07] | purserj: | - Automatic downloads |
| [02:43:20] | purserj: | - Timeouts: basically autoexpire |
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| [02:43:34] | sinthetek: | a table name would be nice... cull? |
| [02:43:50] | purserj: | cull means delete, hold on let me have a look at the tables |
| [02:44:45] | hadees: | what about the video player settings? is that coming from mythvideo? |
| [02:44:46] | sinthetek: | i am going to just wipe them all and repopulate them |
| [02:45:24] | tjcarter: | mutt |
| [02:45:36] | tjcarter: | ugh, I'm awake obviously |
| [02:45:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | sinthetek: Looks like this hasn't been updated since 0.19/0.20, but it should get you started: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database_Schema |
| [02:46:31] | purserj: | hadees: that's using the external player |
| [02:47:03] | purserj: | which is causing a bit of an issue when playing audio files |
| [02:47:08] | purserj: | it loses focus |
| [02:47:19] | purserj: | sinthetek: looks at the program tables |
| [02:47:21] | sinthetek: | j-e-f-f: awesome, thanks :D |
| [02:47:44] | purserj: | as I say to my kids, crankiness gets you nowhere, politeness gets you everywhere ;) |
| [02:47:50] | hadees: | purserj, yeah i think i read that, i looked into your app before i went with podcatcher |
| [02:48:15] | hadees: | purserj, are you using MythNews as a base for the plugin or is it going to become a part of MythNews? |
| [02:49:32] | purserj: | I'm undecided |
| [02:49:53] | purserj: | at the moment I'm modding mythnews but it could probably do better as a seperate app |
| [02:49:59] | hadees: | I don't think it fits with the orginal purpose of MythNews and who is going to look for video podcasts while trying to read RSS news feeds |
| [02:50:20] | hadees: | I think Chutt once said he thought it should be part of MythVideo |
| [02:50:40] | hadees: | but i think that was more in reference to why he didn't like mythstream |
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| [02:53:31] | purserj: | brb |
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| [02:58:41] | sinthetek: | purserj: tru dat. like i said earlier, that sorta thing just annoys me anyway and, though i knew he was kidding, i found it extra distasteful since i had just expressed dismay at having missed my fav shows i'd been waiting so long on etc. that said, i shouldn't have cussed at iamlindoro; no disrespect was meant towards him, it was more of a frustrating cursing, hah |
| [02:58:58] | sinthetek: | anyway </excuses>. sorry again and thanks |
| [02:59:57] | iamlindoro: | awww, no big thing |
| [03:00:34] | purserj: | sinthetek: no worries |
| [03:00:51] | purserj: | hadees: I picked on mythnews mainly because it already had the basics sort of nailed down |
| [03:01:39] | purserj: | I could see it being forked possibly into something like mythcast |
| [03:01:54] | sinthetek: | oki, seems deleting contents of channel and program tables deleted all listing data and i just had to re-run mythfilldatabase (for future reference) |
| [03:02:05] | sinthetek: | not sure if it fixed the +15min problem yet... |
| [03:03:17] | hadees: | purserj, how far are you from auto downloads? |
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| [03:04:19] | purserj: | Okay, basically I've got to do the following: |
| [03:04:35] | purserj: | Add a couple of fields to the newssites table |
| [03:04:51] | purserj: | create a new table called newsarticles |
| [03:05:04] | purserj: | possibly create a script to check for new episodes |
| [03:05:13] | purserj: | I should really write this down somewhere other than IRC |
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| [03:05:21] | hadees: | lol |
| [03:07:08] | purserj: | http://jamespurser.com.au/blog/MythNews_-_More_Ramblings <-- that gives some idea of where I'm heading |
| [03:08:58] | purserj: | as it is right now, trunk mythnews isn't compiling |
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| [03:12:37] | hadees: | have you thought about maybe having audio play through mythmusic? That way you don't have the focus issues and you get the visualizations. |
| [03:13:46] | hadees: | although i don't know if you can go directly from MythNews to MythMusic although you could just use MythNews to see the download project and when it was done move it to a dir MythMusic can see |
| [03:14:01] | hadees: | and add it to the database so you don't have to rescan for music |
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| [03:15:15] | hadees: | i guess that last part is redundant since if you added to the database MythMusic should be able to see it no matter where |
| [03:16:01] | hadees: | purserj, anyway i'll have to try out what you have done |
| [03:16:52] | purserj: | yar, but I'm a bit hesitant about relying on an external plugin |
| [03:19:09] | hadees: | purserj, yeah i can understand that, in a perfect world for me though recordings and vidcasts would be on the same screen and audio podcasts would be with the rest of my audio files, ie audio books, music |
| [03:20:06] | hadees: | of coarse that wouldn't work because the internal myth player would have to support a lot video formats |
| [03:20:35] | purserj: | zactly |
| [03:21:05] | purserj: | ah well, these things are sent to try us |
| [03:22:13] | hadees: | purserj, whats it the latest patch you have for 0.21 and where can i get it? |
| [03:22:25] | hadees: | might as well give it a go |
| [03:23:00] | purserj: | hold on I'll just generate one |
| [03:23:36] | hadees: | cool thanks |
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| [03:24:04] | hadees: | welcome back |
| [03:25:09] | purserj: | tah |
| [03:25:13] | purserj: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/raw-attachment/tic . . . _patch.patch |
| [03:25:18] | purserj: | that's the latest release-21 patch |
| [03:26:15] | iamlindoro: | freenode asplode |
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| [03:33:32] | hadees: | damn i didn't relies the gentoo ebuilds for mythtv plugins were so hard to patch |
| [03:33:46] | hadees: | guess i'll just compile by hand |
| [03:34:02] | hadees: | because i have no clue where to put the patch |
| [03:35:23] | purserj: | I know |
| [03:35:46] | hadees: | purserj, you know where to put the patch or know what i'm talking about the ebuild? |
| [03:35:48] | purserj: | I'm actually using ubuntu to develop on |
| [03:35:59] | purserj: | because the ebuild confuses the hell out of me |
| [03:36:16] | hadees: | purserj, ebuilds are easy |
| [03:36:26] | hadees: | just ebuild classes are confusing |
| [03:36:31] | purserj: | hadees: yeah, I've built a few basic ones |
| [03:37:45] | purserj: | that patch was done at the release-21-fixes root |
| [03:39:01] | hadees: | purserj, is your patch in svn? |
| [03:39:48] | hadees: | oh nm, i saw the sub domain and wasn't thinking |
| [03:40:01] | purserj: | heh no worries |
| [03:40:05] | hadees: | how do i check out the right version of .21 that will work |
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| [03:40:24] | purserj: | the latest svn co will work with it |
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| [03:55:36] | SLUG: | hey |
| [03:55:48] | SLUG: | guys where can i buy the twinhan 1020 |
| [03:56:24] | hadees: | purserj, hey what is the command you used to patch it? i'm supposed to be in the mythtv-release-0.21 dir right? and i use -p0? |
| [03:56:34] | SLUG: | does this card make my cpu work harder or it does some it decoding ? |
| [03:57:07] | purserj: | hadees: yup that should do the trick |
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| [03:59:32] | hadees: | purserj, i ran patch -p0 mythnews_patch.patch and it seems to be taking a long time, it isn't returning and it isn't putting anything to the console |
| [03:59:57] | hadees: | purserj, does that sound right? |
| [04:00:20] | iamlindoro: | patch -p0 < balhblah.patch |
| [04:00:39] | hadees: | ah i forgot that |
| [04:00:45] | iamlindoro: | or better yet start with patch -p0 --dry-run < blahblah.patch |
| [04:01:04] | hadees: | iamlindoro, thx |
| [04:01:20] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [04:04:17] | purserj: | sorry was just getting lunch |
| [04:07:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | purserj: Lunch at midnight? ;-) (You must be 'down under') |
| [04:08:51] | SLUG: | guys i was told that a twinhan 1020 uses alot of cpu ? |
| [04:08:54] | hadees: | purserj, np, is there any sql i need to add to the database? |
| [04:09:00] | hadees: | or will your patch take care of that? |
| [04:10:31] | purserj: | no sql changes as yet |
| [04:10:37] | purserj: | J-e-f-f-A: yup under down |
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| [04:11:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | purserj: I'd love to get down there to Austrailia some day... ;-) I live in the Boston, MA area... |
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| [04:16:29] | purserj: | nice |
| [04:16:37] | purserj: | we're heading into winter at the moment |
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| [04:18:02] | SoulBlade: | can someone please help me with a tuning issue? my tuner appears to be working... its an mpeg2 encoder (pvrusb2) and i can do a cat /dev/video0 > out.mpg and then vlc out.mpg to play it... but i cant just do vlc /dev/video0 and mythtv appears to crash when i try to watch live tv. recordings also fail |
| [04:18:48] | VanessaE: | vlc doesn't work like that |
| [04:18:53] | SLUG: | guys tell me a card that does not eat my cpu when DVB-S card? |
| [04:18:58] | VanessaE: | as for mythtv, not sure |
| [04:19:02] | SLUG: | using ? |
| [04:19:22] | xris: | SLUG: most dvb cards shouldn't really touch your cpu at all |
| [04:19:55] | VanessaE: | SLUG: my card, which I *think* can do DVBT and others, which I use for ATSC, doesn't touch the CPU appreciably. |
| [04:19:57] | xris: | SoulBlade: need a backtrace or something to help with the mythtv-crashing bit |
| [04:20:17] | VanessaE: | Your CPU usage stems more from your recording and playback software (or Myth's settings) than anything else. |
| [04:20:26] | xris: | VanessaE: atsc and dvb are incompatible signals... atsc cards just happen to have their drivers bundled among with the "dvb" driver set. |
| [04:20:35] | SoulBlade: | is there a core dump somewhere |
| [04:20:54] | VanessaE: | xris: The tuner and if demod chips used on my board can handle both afaict. |
| [04:20:59] | SLUG: | so a twinhan 1020 should be ok, what do u use |
| [04:21:07] | neztiti: | guys jow i can view channels list from the keyboard |
| [04:21:22] | xris: | VanessaE: weird. you wouldn't really ever see the two signals together, geographically speaking. |
| [04:21:24] | VanessaE: | neztiti: "S" |
| [04:21:41] | ** purserj applies another sort of patch ** | |
| [04:21:46] | VanessaE: | xris: yeah, I know. |
| [04:22:02] | ** VanessaE double-checks... ** | |
| [04:22:03] | SoulBlade: | ooh |
| [04:22:33] | RyeBrye: | Is there a job I can use to automatically cut out commflagged regions from a recording? (I don't want to have to manually load the cutlist – just have it apply the cutlist and delete the regions or apply the cutlist and leave them there) – it's for a show that I really only watch over the web remotely using the mythWeb streaming, and the lack of commercial skipping in the MythWeb flash video is the reason I want to cut them out |
| [04:22:38] | SoulBlade: | undefined symbol: glXGetProcAddress |
| [04:22:40] | SoulBlade: | thats a new one. |
| [04:22:48] | VanessaE: | neztiti: Technically that brings up the program schedule, but it works enough for you to see your current channel list. |
| [04:23:03] | SoulBlade: | ill figure it out from that |
| [04:23:37] | xris: | RyeBrye: I thik you're confusing the cutlist and the flag list. |
| [04:23:44] | xris: | cutlist *is* manual... the flags are the automatic ones. |
| [04:23:51] | symptom is now known as is_confused | |
| [04:24:07] | RyeBrye: | xris – ok... eah, that's what I meant :) |
| [04:24:19] | is_confused is now known as symptom | |
| [04:24:19] | RyeBrye: | xris – I just want not see the commercials! :) |
| [04:24:25] | xris: | but you can pass --gencutlist to mythcommflag to create the cutlist, though |
| [04:24:30] | SoulBlade: | oh thats lame |
| [04:24:35] | xris: | RyeBrye: just turn on"automatically skip commercials" |
| [04:24:37] | VanessaE: | no, I'm wrong... my board's IF demod chip doesn't do DVB-* (just NTSC and ATSC)... but the tuner chip does :) |
| [04:24:43] | SoulBlade: | my video card doesn't support the required drivers for myth |
| [04:24:52] | RyeBrye: | xris: – for the mythweb flash streaming? I have it on my main frontend |
| [04:24:55] | SoulBlade: | never upgrade... |
| [04:25:01] | VanessaE: | no matter, DVB is way on the other side of the planet anyway :) |
| [04:25:16] | xris: | RyeBrye: then you need to gencutlist, and transcode |
| [04:25:51] | RyeBrye: | Ok. I'll set up a user job to do that automatically on the show that I want to do it to |
| [04:26:38] | SLUG: | guys which a good low cost dvb-s card ? |
| [04:26:45] | SLUG: | nothing too old |
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| [04:27:01] | VanessaE: | SLUG: check linuxtv.oerg |
| [04:27:05] | VanessaE: | er, linuxtv.org |
| [04:27:16] | SLUG: | ok |
| [04:27:19] | VanessaE: | the wiki has listings of cards that work in Linux. |
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| [04:27:28] | VanessaE: | (sorry, an assumption there) |
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| [04:29:12] | cesman: | iamlindoro, I'm back but the discussion stopped ;) |
| [04:29:24] | iamlindoro: | cesman: long trip to the store ;) |
| [04:29:47] | cesman: | Fry's... |
| [04:30:07] | iamlindoro: | ahh, thought you said about going to get a drink |
| [04:30:07] | cesman: | pick up an heat sink for SBE as the current one is too loud |
| [04:30:16] | cesman: | I wish... |
| [04:30:23] | cesman: | I'd like a nice drink right now... |
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| [04:31:11] | mjb: | Hi |
| [04:31:16] | iamlindoro: | I plan on enjoying one over BSG in a few |
| [04:31:49] | VanessaE: | Are there any developers in here right now? |
| [04:32:00] | ** VanessaE has a feature request or two ** | |
| [04:32:03] | hadees: | purserj, looks like the gentoo install dirs are different and i'm not sure how to install your version of mythnews in the right place |
| [04:32:04] | mjb: | I just got MythTV 0.21 installed on Ubuntu Gutsy, and I'm having a bit of a problem w/ MythWeather configuration. |
| [04:32:17] | hadees: | or really where that right place is |
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| [04:32:24] | purserj: | hadees: hmm |
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| [04:32:47] | purserj: | I would install it on my mythbox, but it's more than my life is worth to break myth |
| [04:32:54] | neztiti: | VanessaE: thank you |
| [04:33:12] | VanessaE: | yw |
| [04:33:22] | neztiti: | VanessaE:i don't mean the epg list |
| [04:33:28] | neztiti: | i mean the orginal list – the names of the channels |
| [04:33:29] | mjb: | I'm trying to configure it for my home town, Belleville, MI, but when I do a search, by city name or zip code, it doesn't find it....it existed under 0.20.... |
| [04:33:37] | mjb: | Any ideas? |
| [04:34:13] | iamlindoro: | mjb: MythWeather is 100% new since .20 |
| [04:34:19] | iamlindoro: | using completely new sites |
| [04:34:21] | neztiti: | VanessaE:any idea?? |
| [04:34:23] | hadees: | purserj, lol, np, i guess i'll just wait for your official release |
| [04:34:29] | purserj: | heh |
| [04:34:36] | mjb: | I gathered....it looks pretty different. |
| [04:34:43] | iamlindoro: | mjb: It sucks. |
| [04:35:05] | iamlindoro: | And I am seldom one to call any part of MythTV sucky-- but MythWeather is awful. |
| [04:35:21] | iamlindoro: | anyway, it's likely the new source lacks a listing for your hometown |
| [04:35:54] | hadees: | the new mythweather is a step in the right direction by using multiple sources for weather, it just needs to be refined more |
| [04:36:16] | iamlindoro: | It needs to be nuked and re-redone |
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| [04:36:29] | hadees: | i thought it was nuked and this is the redo |
| [04:37:10] | mjb: | I was pretty happy w/ it on 0.20.... |
| [04:37:11] | iamlindoro: | hadees: This is the podge-together job from last year's Summer of Code that was left undone, but needed to keep it because the old one was hopelessly broken on account of the site it scraped changed it's format and TOS |
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| [04:38:04] | iamlindoro: | mjb: It as satisfactory in .20... but like I said, the site changed and Myth goes out of its way not to violate anyone's terms of servcie, so it had to be redone-- except from what I understand, it was basically left half-done |
| [04:38:08] | iamlindoro: | er it was |
| [04:38:10] | hadees: | lol, has any of the summer of code stuff turned out good? |
| [04:38:30] | iamlindoro: | hadees: You'll note there's no MythTV GSoC 2008 ;) |
| [04:38:42] | iamlindoro: | That said, it's worked out for aloooot of other projects |
| [04:39:02] | iamlindoro: | And it's very likely that the GSoC stuff from ffmpeg this year is going to have a huge effect on Myth |
| [04:39:22] | hadees: | really what did they do in ffmpeg? |
| [04:39:36] | iamlindoro: | not did, will do |
| [04:39:41] | hadees: | oh |
| [04:39:47] | RyeBrye: | Not will do, but will plan to do ;) |
| [04:39:57] | iamlindoro: | This year's SoC projects for ffmpeg include finalizing the HD-DVD/Blu-ray audio formats and major improvements to h.264 |
| [04:40:04] | SLUG: | guys i am trying to buy this card i don't see anywhere (WinTV-Nexus-S Rev. 2.1 ) any idea of a good vendor |
| [04:41:38] | VanessaE: | newegg? |
| [04:41:44] | VanessaE: | look for it on pricewatch also |
| [04:41:49] | SLUG: | ok |
| [04:42:10] | VanessaE: | first two places I go whenever I need anything computer related. |
| [04:42:35] | hadees: | does the WinTV-Nexus-S work with mythtv? |
| [04:42:51] | iamlindoro: | Nothing says "I'm stealing satellite" like a US user trying to buy a DVB-S card |
| [04:42:58] | iamlindoro: | hadees: yes |
| [04:43:12] | mjb: | Does it have to be rev 2.1? |
| [04:43:17] | hadees: | wow, Digital satellite TV receiver with satellite radio and digital videotext sounds interesting |
| [04:43:17] | iamlindoro: | nope |
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| [04:43:46] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: i got two DSR-4500X irds for $400 total |
| [04:43:50] | iamlindoro: | hadees: Except for the whole "can't get anything worthwhile in the US without breaking the law" bit |
| [04:43:59] | VanessaE: | iamlindoro: copyright infringement is NOT STEALING! |
| [04:44:05] | hadees: | details details |
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| [04:44:23] | VanessaE: | besides, if it's not encrypted, its fair game. |
| [04:44:28] | iamlindoro: | VanessaE: It *is* against the law, theft of services-- you think stealing cable should be ok? |
| [04:44:33] | iamlindoro: | VanessaE: and it *is* encrypted |
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| [04:44:41] | RyeBrye: | Yeah... but copyright enfringement WILL get you kicked out of the MythTV channel... |
| [04:44:48] | RyeBrye: | or talking about it too much... |
| [04:44:49] | VanessaE: | iamlindoro: I repeat: it is not "stealing" is it "copyright infringement" |
| [04:44:56] | VanessaE: | use the right phrase please. |
| [04:45:01] | iamlindoro: | VanessaE: I never *called* it stealing |
| [04:45:07] | iamlindoro: | why don't you try reading? |
| [04:45:12] | VanessaE: | <iamlindoro> Nothing says "I'm stealing satellite" like a US user trying to buy a DVB-S card |
| [04:45:13] | CCFL_Man2: | if cable tv was reasonable and a decent service people wouldn't steal it |
| [04:45:14] | hadees: | hey i don't ask those satellites to contently irradiate my body with their signals |
| [04:45:22] | iamlindoro: | VanessaE: It *is* stealing, though |
| [04:45:36] | iamlindoro: | Just because you want to try to split hairs doesn't make it not theft |
| [04:45:39] | hadees: | if it so happens to also hit my dish then its their falt |
| [04:45:49] | hadees: | don't point your satellite at me |
| [04:45:52] | iamlindoro: | <--- was a cop in his state is is qell aware of what the definition of theft is |
| [04:46:10] | ** RyeBrye uses /me instead of <--- ;) ** | |
| [04:46:10] | ** VanessaE gives up ** | |
| [04:46:53] | VanessaE: | you're a cop. Not a lawyer (neither am I). There is a legal difference between the two terms. |
| [04:46:54] | RyeBrye: | QAM in the US isn't the same thing as DVB-C is it? |
| [04:47:11] | CCFL_Man2: | RyeBrye: no |
| [04:47:36] | RyeBrye: | There isn't any way to multiplex a QAM signal is there like there is with DVB? |
| [04:47:45] | VanessaE: | RyeBrye: Sure there is. |
| [04:47:48] | VanessaE: | Ask comcast :) |
| [04:47:55] | iamlindoro: | VanessaE: Just because I'm not a lawyer doesn't mean I haven't memorized that statues relating to the definition of theft-- I know them as well as any lawyer does |
| [04:48:09] | RyeBrye: | Well... I mean... DE-multiplex it and record multiple things on the same mux like you can in MythTV with DVB :) |
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| [04:48:37] | VanessaE: | There was a whole discussion on Slashdot about that the other day – it's common to put two streams on a single QAM, but the above-mentioned company puts three to save bandwidth. |
| [04:48:52] | VanessaE: | Oh that I don't know |
| [04:49:05] | CCFL_Man2: | RyeBrye: yes, you can, as long as it's in the clwar, i run my own privare cable system of exclusively qam multiplexes |
| [04:49:09] | iamlindoro: | VanessaE: Theft, by California law, is that taking of the personal property of another without consent-- Property is held to be both intellectual and physical by case law-- by California law (and yes, I have made arrests for it) theft of services is theft-- in fact, the Crime itself is called *theft* of services |
| [04:49:25] | ** VanessaE shakes her head ** | |
| [04:49:29] | VanessaE: | give it up, iamlindoro |
| [04:49:50] | iamlindoro: | VanessaE: Why should I give it up? I'm correct. |
| [04:49:56] | VanessaE: | you are wrong. dead wrong |
| [04:50:02] | CCFL_Man2: | whoa! agirl on irc! |
| [04:50:25] | RyeBrye: | CCFL_Man2 – where do you run the private cable system? |
| [04:50:27] | VanessaE: | CCFL_Man2: yep, we actually exist – I confirm we are not a fantasy :) |
| [04:50:30] | iamlindoro: | It's not one or the other, it's both-- theft *and* copyright infringement |
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| [04:50:39] | CCFL_Man2: | VanessaE: yay! |
| [04:50:50] | CCFL_Man2: | RyeBrye: in my house |
| [04:51:03] | hadees: | copyright infringement is civil anyway |
| [04:51:08] | VanessaE: | iamlindoro: either way, whatever you believe, this is technically off-topic for this channel.. let's both drop it. |
| [04:51:10] | CCFL_Man2: | RyeBrye: my sources are c band dishes |
| [04:51:32] | iamlindoro: | hadees: exactly right, Copyright infringement is a tort, theft is a criminal offense-- theft of services generally involves both |
| [04:51:43] | hadees: | i was a cop too =) |
| [04:51:56] | iamlindoro: | hadees: Then you know exactly what I mean ;) |
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| [04:52:04] | hadees: | only for a summer though |
| [04:52:06] | ** RyeBrye hides his weed ** | |
| [04:52:08] | iamlindoro: | Where do you live, hadees? |
| [04:52:19] | hadees: | i was a cop in DE |
| [04:52:22] | hadees: | i live in Texas |
| [04:52:43] | iamlindoro: | hadees: Very nice-- TX cops are good dudes, I love the LE philosophy down there |
| [04:52:46] | CCFL_Man2: | i hear weed can help the anxiety of my aspergers syndrome |
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| [04:52:55] | VanessaE: | I just look forward to the day when the American public finally gets a clue and all of these rediculous IP laws gets thrown out |
| [04:53:12] | hadees: | i agree |
| [04:53:14] | VanessaE: | CCFL_Man2: it has lots of uses. |
| [04:53:18] | iamlindoro: | hadees: I'm in CA, have been off the job for eight months or so but am hoping to get back on in the next few |
| [04:53:25] | hadees: | VanessaE, like rope |
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| [04:53:34] | CCFL_Man2: | VanessaE: i agree with you, but iamlindoro is the man :P |
| [04:53:41] | ** VanessaE shrugs ** | |
| [04:53:44] | hadees: | iamlindoro, i was a Seasonal officer, i have a degree in Criminal Justice |
| [04:54:05] | CCFL_Man2: | i want some snow |
| [04:54:06] | iamlindoro: | hadees: Going to try to go full time? Dallas is hiring like crazy, and I know some guys on down there-- they're great guys. |
| [04:54:08] | hadees: | i worked for a small resort town who hires college kids to supplement the force during the summer |
| [04:54:08] | SLUG: | guys this card require ext power WinTV-Nexus-S Rev. 2.1 |
| [04:54:35] | hadees: | but i had full police powers |
| [04:54:39] | VanessaE: | external power for a capture card? |
| [04:54:41] | hadees: | it was fun but paid terribly |
| [04:54:47] | SLUG: | yeah |
| [04:54:58] | VanessaE: | are you sure that's not a power output? |
| [04:55:04] | VanessaE: | one of my cap cards had such a thing. |
| [04:55:20] | hadees: | does it have an amp in the card or something? |
| [04:55:20] | SLUG: | has to do with lnbs switches i think |
| [04:55:38] | iamlindoro: | hadees: My job paid well, and lots of action :) I love LE. Makes me crazy to have gone this long without putting anyone in jail |
| [04:55:52] | iamlindoro: | hadees: anyway, off topic, we'll chat more about that some other time |
| [04:56:10] | CCFL_Man2: | i hate how cops give speeding tickets to some people and others tgey don't because they know them |
| [04:56:39] | hadees: | CCFL_Man2, not all cops are good |
| [04:56:45] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2: I let faaaaar more people off than I ever wrote citations to |
| [04:56:50] | CCFL_Man2: | hadees: so true |
| [04:56:54] | hadees: | i did it and i've had bad run ins myself |
| [04:57:19] | VanessaE: | afaic, speeding should never be cited if one is alone on the highway or otherwise of no harm to anyone. |
| [04:57:28] | VanessaE: | (but I'm not stupid – I stick within the limit) |
| [04:57:28] | hadees: | but you should always give them the benefit of the doubt, its a tough job |
| [04:57:42] | CCFL_Man2: | i got a speeding ticket 5 days before my birthday, i was on edge for two weeks |
| [04:57:50] | VanessaE: | I've had one bad run-in...and I was as polite as can be too. |
| [04:58:16] | ** iamlindoro goes to watch TV before this gets too ridiculous ** | |
| [04:58:21] | CCFL_Man2: | and i was just trying to get to work |
| [04:58:35] | hadees: | iamlindoro, because the paper work is a bitch to do |
| [04:58:51] | VanessaE: | The cop in question wasn't the arresting officer either. He was the one who received/booked me |
| [04:59:08] | hadees: | a full time officer once made me write up these kids for skate boarding, i was so pissed he wasted my time doing that |
| [04:59:21] | VanessaE: | bench warrant, no proof of car ins. He got pissy with me because my mom called the DA who then called him and said to let me go. |
| [04:59:25] | CCFL_Man2: | VanessaE: if you are cute and sexy they sometimes let you go |
| [04:59:37] | ** VanessaE is neither cute nor sexy :) ** | |
| [04:59:54] | hadees: | none of us are or we wouldn't be using irc |
| [05:00:01] | VanessaE: | haha |
| [05:00:04] | CCFL_Man2: | lol |
| [05:00:21] | CCFL_Man2: | i think i'm cute and sexy |
| [05:00:31] | VanessaE: | CCFL_Man2: my husband would disagree (he thinks the world of me), but I'm realistic :) |
| [05:00:51] | CCFL_Man2: | VanessaE: are you a bbw or no? |
| [05:01:19] | VanessaE: | big yes. |
| [05:01:25] | VanessaE: | beautiful...eh. |
| [05:01:48] | CCFL_Man2: | no wonder why your husband loves you |
| [05:02:08] | CCFL_Man2: | big girls ftw! |
| [05:02:43] | VanessaE: | Well you know how the song goes – "If you want to be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife, so from my personal point of view, get an ugly girl to marry you" :) |
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| [05:03:07] | CCFL_Man2: | lol |
| [05:03:17] | CCFL_Man2: | maybe he likes big girls |
| [05:03:56] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm trying to find one but the ones i find are weird |
| [05:04:35] | VanessaE: | don't go looking for a girl |
| [05:04:40] | VanessaE: | just let it happen naturally |
| [05:04:51] | CCFL_Man2: | well, i never go out |
| [05:04:55] | VanessaE: | that's how abe and I met |
| [05:05:17] | CCFL_Man2: | i either go to work or i'm home |
| [05:05:20] | CCFL_Man2: | ahh |
| [05:05:24] | hadees: | girls can say that because men are expected to make the first moves |
| [05:05:27] | VanessaE: | neither did I – we ran into each other on IRC, got to talking, met in real life, eventually got married. |
| [05:05:31] | hadees: | nothing happens naturally |
| [05:05:42] | VanessaE: | hadees: it can and does. |
| [05:06:01] | VanessaE: | you don't always have to "make the first move" |
| [05:06:15] | hadees: | 9 out of 10 times you have to |
| [05:06:20] | VanessaE: | you just have to avoid the notion that one or the other party needs to "make the first move" at all. |
| [05:06:28] | ** cesman thought men dated woman and not girls.... ** | |
| [05:06:36] | VanessaE: | it's better if the relationship has time to develop gradually. |
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| [05:07:00] | hadees: | cesman, potato potato |
| [05:07:18] | VanessaE: | gives both parties the opportunity to "feel" the other out. learn what he likes, doesn't like, etc. before committing to a long-term relationship./ |
| [05:07:32] | VanessaE: | ertc. |
| [05:07:34] | VanessaE: | etc. too |
| [05:07:37] | CCFL_Man2: | VanessaE: think is though i have anxiety and don't say a word, so unless i overcome the anxiety i have i won't get a girl |
| [05:08:30] | CCFL_Man2: | if a girl is qiet and shy, unless we are around eachother constantly, there is no chance of us getting together |
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| [05:09:53] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm not sure what to do in my case |
| [05:09:53] | VanessaE: | well there might be less chance, sure. |
| [05:10:10] | VanessaE: | Sometimes it's as simple as asking someone out for a cup of coffee |
| [05:10:15] | VanessaE: | go out to lunch |
| [05:10:17] | VanessaE: | casual stuff |
| [05:10:26] | VanessaE: | forget the intimacy altogether |
| [05:10:44] | VanessaE: | (until way later) |
| [05:10:54] | CCFL_Man2: | sertraline isn't helping fully |
| [05:10:59] | CCFL_Man2: | yeah |
| [05:11:02] | VanessaE: | zoloft? |
| [05:11:13] | CCFL_Man2: | generic zoloft |
| [05:11:32] | VanessaE: | I've been on that stuff. Nasty. Find a different pill or try to sort out your issues sans pills. You'll thank me later :) |
| [05:12:36] | CCFL_Man2: | some girls i can talk to and flurt with fine, others, mainly shy girls or girls that aren't very outgoing, i cam't |
| [05:12:42] | CCFL_Man2: | hmm.. |
| [05:12:44] | CCFL_Man2: | yeah |
| [05:12:53] | CCFL_Man2: | it kills my sex drive |
| [05:13:01] | VanessaE: | Good. stay on it then. |
| [05:13:21] | VanessaE: | Until after you've found someone. Then give it up, slowly. |
| [05:13:54] | VanessaE: | the flirty ones are probably ones to avoid. You'll find yourself getting jealous a lot I think. |
| [05:14:05] | VanessaE: | the shy or not-so-outgoing ones might be a better pick. |
| [05:14:10] | VanessaE: | I am of that latter type. |
| [05:14:39] | CCFL_Man2: | but the natural cycles don't happen with the sexual side effects |
| [05:14:41] | CCFL_Man2: | ahh |
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| [05:14:53] | conathan: | Good Evening |
| [05:15:49] | conathan: | I was setting up a mythtv frontend on my EeePC, and I got the following message while watching a video, or livetv (always) |
| [05:15:58] | conathan: | NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers |
| [05:16:22] | conathan: | a bit of reading suggested disabling hpet, or removing /dev/rtc (I was looking for another option |
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| [05:16:33] | conathan: | I temporairly removed rtc, which allowed video to work, |
| [05:16:37] | conathan: | but I am not sure where to go from here |
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| [05:16:51] | CCFL_Man2: | quiet ones are a better pick, but it's hard for me to get to know them |
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| [05:18:22] | VanessaE: | Well like I said, it can start with a "hi, how are you" or "wanna grab a sandwich at McD's?" or similar |
| [05:18:42] | CCFL_Man2: | your advice is really good |
| [05:18:47] | VanessaE: | conathan: welcome to #mythtv-users – where we discuss relationships rather than mythtv ;) |
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| [05:18:59] | CCFL_Man2: | i like the way you think, simple but effective |
| [05:19:13] | conathan: | VanessaE: thanks |
| [05:19:57] | conathan: | VanessaE: I think... |
| [05:20:00] | VanessaE: | heh |
| [05:20:27] | CCFL_Man2: | i enjoy a big mac every once and a while |
| [05:20:46] | VanessaE: | no guarantees, CC, but I think you'll find it useful |
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| [05:21:20] | CCFL_Man2: | oh i know, it can work if done right, mainly being uourself |
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| [05:22:45] | VanessaE: | yep, that's a big part of it. Don't put up a front, don't try to be this macho twit, and at the same time don't try to force your feelings to the surface either. Shed your social training and just find out who you are inside. Let her see that and it'll probably give you good results. |
| [05:23:27] | VanessaE: | Oh and remember – we speak a different dialect than you ;) |
| [05:23:37] | CCFL_Man2: | yeah |
| [05:23:50] | CCFL_Man2: | hag, oh yes, i don't gor get that |
| [05:23:57] | CCFL_Man2: | forget |
| [05:25:07] | CCFL_Man2: | i can see why your husband likes you, you are pretty bright |
| [05:25:26] | CCFL_Man2: | hard to find bright girls |
| [05:27:11] | VanessaE: | you'd be surprised |
| [05:27:20] | VanessaE: | most women are a lot smarter than men give them credit for. |
| [05:27:35] | CCFL_Man2: | it might be my area though |
| [05:27:49] | VanessaE: | The problem is that most of us focus on stuff men tend not to be interested in, and vice versa, thus we seem less bright. |
| [05:28:14] | CCFL_Man2: | yeah |
| [05:28:35] | VanessaE: | if you ask a typical woman of my generation about, say, child care or color coordination, you might very well be able to get a whole dissertation on each |
| [05:28:43] | VanessaE: | (or you might not, but statistically speaking...) |
| [05:29:06] | CCFL_Man2: | our brains are wired differently |
| [05:29:46] | VanessaE: | I'm an exception among the rest – if you ask me those things, I have no clue about either... but ask me about 6502 assembly and you'll get whatever details you need :) |
| [05:30:28] | VanessaE: | they are, yes. But both sexes are equally capable of learning the same things (mostly – there are statistically significant differences in a few specific areas) |
| [05:30:32] | CCFL_Man2: | hawt |
| [05:30:37] | conathan: | hmm, what about how do you use hpet timers in mythtv 0.21? |
| [05:30:57] | VanessaE: | conathan: no clue – I'm no developer :) |
| [05:31:09] | conathan: | there's 60 users (: |
| [05:31:36] | VanessaE: | conathan: on IRC it is common for a user to leave his or her account in an idle but "detatched" state |
| [05:32:01] | VanessaE: | There are probably only about half a dozen of us actually here at the moment. |
| [05:32:10] | conathan: | I've done that |
| [05:34:19] | conathan: | VanessaE: some channels, I post a question, and someone answers a few hours later |
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| [05:42:40] | CCFL_Man2: | VanessaE: i think i have aspergers syndrome, do you and your husband have it? |
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| [05:43:03] | VanessaE: | CCFL_Man2: no. Not that I am aware of. |
| [05:44:25] | CCFL_Man2: | VanessaE: when i was young i took obscure interests in things and places, i collected and played with a bunch of stuff kids don't usually play with |
| [05:45:42] | VanessaE: | Well that can be normal in some cases too |
| [05:45:49] | VanessaE: | not everyone has the same interests as their peers |
| [05:45:59] | VanessaE: | but define "obscure" ? |
| [05:46:21] | CCFL_Man2: | to name a few... tea bags, coffee, plungers, dawn dish soap, laundry detergent, radios, old telephones, plastic dryer ducting, radiator vents, newspaper weather maps |
| [05:48:27] | CCFL_Man2: | christmas lights, i spcifically loved C6 lights, candles, IF transformers from radios |
| [05:49:50] | CCFL_Man2: | matches, though my mother never let me strike them, rain gutters, especially vintage ones, super mario brothers 3 |
| [05:50:07] | CCFL_Man2: | thats where yoyr 6502 asm comes in :P |
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| [05:51:51] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm strange, i know :p |
| [05:51:59] | CCFL_Man2: | oh, wooden doir stops |
| [05:52:42] | CCFL_Man2: | but i enjoyed it, i never hurt myself or anyone else, and i had fun |
| [05:53:50] | VanessaE: | back |
| [05:53:56] | VanessaE: | sorry, wandered off to look for something |
| [05:54:01] | CCFL_Man2: | ahh |
| [05:54:02] | VanessaE: | now, as for your interests |
| [05:54:06] | ** VanessaE evaluates... ** | |
| [05:54:14] | CCFL_Man2: | heh |
| [05:54:41] | VanessaE: | seems ok to me |
| [05:54:58] | VanessaE: | lots of potential geek stuff on there |
| [05:55:04] | CCFL_Man2: | toons |
| [05:55:08] | VanessaE: | as well as non-geek |
| [05:55:16] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm the same way today |
| [05:55:20] | VanessaE: | you just have unusual interests – nothing wrong with that |
| [05:56:07] | CCFL_Man2: | i collect and restore vintage phones, radios, and tvs, few other stuf too, i love electronics |
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| [05:56:32] | VanessaE: | see? |
| [05:56:34] | VanessaE: | pure geek :) |
| [05:56:46] | CCFL_Man2: | oh i know, i'm just not sure if that constitues me having a syndrome or disorder or something |
| [05:56:51] | CCFL_Man2: | yeah, lol |
| [05:56:53] | VanessaE: | hint: they're called "hobbies" :) |
| [05:57:03] | VanessaE: | hardly |
| [05:57:16] | CCFL_Man2: | thing is though, i have no social life |
| [05:57:36] | CCFL_Man2: | i find it difficult to socialize |
| [05:57:42] | VanessaE: | if that were the case, then every geek, scientist, bug expert, you name it, would be on something to make them more mainstream :) |
| [05:57:58] | CCFL_Man2: | well, true |
| [05:58:07] | VanessaE: | I had almost no social life either until I got together with my husband. he's helped me open up to the world a little. |
| [05:58:33] | CCFL_Man2: | us geeks have special skills and telents |
| [05:58:36] | CCFL_Man2: | ahh |
| [05:58:41] | VanessaE: | Linus Torvalds would be locked away, etc. :) |
| [05:58:49] | CCFL_Man2: | lol, yeah |
| [05:58:53] | VanessaE: | forget telnet. use ssh. |
| [05:59:00] | VanessaE: | oh, talent ;) |
| [05:59:11] | CCFL_Man2: | oops |
| [05:59:34] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm typing on my nintendo ds |
| [05:59:53] | CCFL_Man2: | i run ds linux and ssh into my freebsd server |
| [05:59:54] | VanessaE: | that little thing can do IRC? impressive |
| [05:59:58] | VanessaE: | ahh |
| [06:00:04] | VanessaE: | not as impressive but still cool |
| [06:00:14] | CCFL_Man2: | it's handy |
| [06:00:18] | VanessaE: | wait, what does the DS run? |
| [06:00:50] | CCFL_Man2: | runs on arm7 and arm9 |
| [06:00:56] | VanessaE: | ah |
| [06:01:00] | CCFL_Man2: | nintendo's own firmware |
| [06:01:52] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm laying in bed, listening to my 1939 RCA K60 Console Radio and watching survivorman on the discovery channel |
| [06:02:02] | CCFL_Man2: | and ircing on my ds |
| [06:02:03] | VanessaE: | that show is still running? |
| [06:02:27] | CCFL_Man2: | it's the highest priority season pass on my tivo :P |
| [06:03:01] | VanessaE: | here's a point of comparison. I'm IRC'ing, researching crystal radios, and admiring the TV antenna I built from scratch earlier (from a website's plans) |
| [06:03:29] | CCFL_Man2: | thats sweet |
| [06:03:55] | CCFL_Man2: | half or full dipole? |
| [06:04:14] | VanessaE: | neither |
| [06:04:19] | VanessaE: | gray-hovermann derivative |
| [06:04:50] | VanessaE: | technically it's probably considered a dipole |
| [06:04:54] | VanessaE: | http://uhfhdtvantenna.blogspot.com/ |
| [06:04:54] | CCFL_Man2: | wow, never thought i'd see that for tv |
| [06:05:03] | ** purserj returns ** | |
| [06:05:05] | CCFL_Man2: | ahh, yeah |
| [06:05:27] | CCFL_Man2: | only sensitive at uhf frequencies? |
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| [06:06:00] | VanessaE: | works on VHF too, though probably less effective there than a Yagi or such |
| [06:06:08] | VanessaE: | but hdtv is mostly UHF anyway. |
| [06:06:13] | CCFL_Man2: | ahh |
| [06:06:19] | VanessaE: | rather, DTV is |
| [06:06:22] | hadees: | CCFL_Man2, you collect vintage TVs? |
| [06:06:28] | hadees: | check out http://www.predicta.com/index.shtml |
| [06:06:33] | CCFL_Man2: | VanessaE: yeah |
| [06:06:37] | hadees: | if they made HDTV ones i would get one |
| [06:07:03] | CCFL_Man2: | hadees: i do, but predictas never caught my eye |
| [06:07:27] | CCFL_Man2: | get a vintage one and restore it |
| [06:07:31] | VanessaE: | wow, and I thought our console-tyle TV was old :) |
| [06:07:34] | VanessaE: | style |
| [06:07:38] | hadees: | these are new tvs though, thats whats nice about them |
| [06:07:44] | hadees: | they just look old |
| [06:07:56] | CCFL_Man2: | hadees: who needs colir? :P |
| [06:08:00] | CCFL_Man2: | color |
| [06:08:31] | CCFL_Man2: | VanessaE: oldest one i have is from 1946, but it's chassis is still broke |
| [06:08:37] | VanessaE: | I like that "pedestel" model. |
| [06:09:00] | CCFL_Man2: | those are cool looking inside |
| [06:09:05] | VanessaE: | ours is something from the 60's or 70's I guess |
| [06:09:07] | hadees: | i am so pissed at these cable boxes, firewire is supposed to be enabled but they can't be |
| [06:09:12] | hadees: | it isn't working |
| [06:09:30] | CCFL_Man2: | restoration of predictas is hard |
| [06:09:38] | VanessaE: | hadees: probably has to do with DRM |
| [06:09:47] | hadees: | damn you Ttime Warner |
| [06:09:53] | VanessaE: | Can't have customers capturing perfect quality streams – might put them on P2P – the horror! |
| [06:09:54] | CCFL_Man2: | hadees: call thecable company and bitch, threaten to cancel service |
| [06:10:08] | hadees: | CCFL_Man2, i'm going to take them to court if they don't give me one |
| [06:10:13] | VanessaE: | (as if the same can't happen with a good quality analog capture) |
| [06:10:15] | hadees: | the FCC mandates it |
| [06:10:52] | CCFL_Man2: | hadees: i know, fcc is great for that, one of the few goid things they did |
| [06:11:01] | purserj: | /win/win 17 |
| [06:11:03] | hadees: | VanessaE, http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/04/hauppauge- . . . -coming-soon |
| [06:11:11] | hadees: | best analog capture you are going to get |
| [06:11:38] | RyeBrye: | Even though it has firewire out – you can't capture 5c channels over firewire, can you? Like HBO or ESPN... etc.? |
| [06:11:39] | VanessaE: | precisely. |
| [06:11:46] | hadees: | and you don't have to use fscking firewire |
| [06:12:19] | hadees: | every time i make a big change in MythTV it can never go easy |
| [06:12:23] | CCFL_Man2: | VanessaE: i run my own digital cable system, i have commercial satellite receivers and qam modulators |
| [06:12:38] | hadees: | CCFL_Man2, for who? |
| [06:12:39] | CCFL_Man2: | just run one multiplex atm |
| [06:12:45] | CCFL_Man2: | hadees: for me |
| [06:13:00] | VanessaE: | my cap card can do 64QAM but apparently not 256QAM, sadly. |
| [06:13:02] | RyeBrye: | How much $$ do commercial sats cost? |
| [06:13:07] | RyeBrye: | those can't be cheap |
| [06:13:15] | hadees: | lol your own cable system for yourself? what software do you use to put it out for yourself? |
| [06:13:16] | VanessaE: | but it does ATSC (SD or HD) and NTSC also |
| [06:13:19] | CCFL_Man2: | they are very high |
| [06:13:44] | CCFL_Man2: | RyeBrye: very expensive |
| [06:13:44] | VanessaE: | so it's good enough |
| [06:13:55] | VanessaE: | I have no plans to ever subscribe to cable TV |
| [06:13:58] | VanessaE: | waste of money. |
| [06:14:10] | RyeBrye: | CCFL_Man2 – do you have to pay monthly fees for reception on those? |
| [06:14:15] | CCFL_Man2: | hadees: i use atsc/qam tuners, right now i modulate 64 qam |
| [06:14:36] | hadees: | VanessaE, how many channels do you use mythtv for? |
| [06:14:49] | CCFL_Man2: | RyeBrye: only the subscription stuff, though i never tried activating it yet |
| [06:15:14] | RyeBrye: | CCFL_Man2 – don't channels like ESPN etc charge per subscriber? |
| [06:15:32] | VanessaE: | hadees: I receive about 5 channels in analog, all reasonably good, and I can pick up about 5 over digital, but only three of those are any good (all on the same mplex). |
| [06:15:56] | VanessaE: | two of those digital channels are unique, so in total I get 7 unique channels. |
| [06:16:05] | CCFL_Man2: | i watch DW-TV and listen to Deutsche Welle Radio via satellite |
| [06:16:09] | hadees: | VanessaE, see i think most of the basic channels show crap |
| [06:16:28] | hadees: | Cable TV has the good channels like Discovery |
| [06:16:28] | VanessaE: | most of the time, yeah |
| [06:16:41] | CCFL_Man2: | RyeBrye: i think so, i hope to use a residential c band subscription |
| [06:16:44] | VanessaE: | but there's some good stuff on the locals as well. House, CSI, Price is Right. The basics, you know. |
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| [06:17:01] | hadees: | plus mine is all part of a bundle with my Internet and a phone anyway |
| [06:17:17] | hadees: | i actually had to get the phone because the plan was cheaper if i used the phone |
| [06:17:21] | VanessaE: | There are about 4 channels on cable TV that I like. I won't pay $30/mo for 4 channels. |
| [06:17:29] | hadees: | it doesn't make any sense but thats TWC for you |
| [06:17:51] | hadees: | i don't even want the phone |
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| [06:18:11] | CCFL_Man2: | c babd subscriptions are cheap and pretty much alliw you to get the channels you want |
| [06:18:31] | VanessaE: | what subscriptions? |
| [06:18:46] | CCFL_Man2: | c band, i mean |
| [06:18:54] | VanessaE: | what is C Band? |
| [06:19:29] | CCFL_Man2: | band for TVRO downlinks |
| [06:19:36] | VanessaE: | hm |
| [06:19:43] | VanessaE: | Not familiar with that technology |
| [06:19:50] | VanessaE: | Of course, with my luck I couldn't get it here anyway |
| [06:19:54] | CCFL_Man2: | tv receive only |
| [06:20:02] | VanessaE: | heck I can't even get FIOS here. |
| [06:20:16] | VanessaE: | Just cable or DSL (and I'll be switching to the latter very soon I think). |
| [06:20:26] | CCFL_Man2: | c band requires the large dishes |
| [06:20:33] | VanessaE: | ahhh |
| [06:20:54] | CCFL_Man2: | channels originate their signal on c band |
| [06:21:00] | VanessaE: | Is it the same signals those dishes were used for back in the 80's? |
| [06:21:07] | CCFL_Man2: | music chouce is on galaxy 14 |
| [06:21:12] | CCFL_Man2: | yep |
| [06:21:22] | VanessaE: | ah. I didn't even know that system was still in use today |
| [06:21:48] | CCFL_Man2: | oh yes, it's how most providers get their channel feeds |
| [06:22:11] | VanessaE: | well I take that back, you can get satellite here (Dish Network, DirecTV, etc) as well. |
| [06:22:25] | VanessaE: | but those bid dishes are right out – my landlord would never stand for one :( |
| [06:22:40] | CCFL_Man2: | yeah, unfortunately |
| [06:24:41] | CCFL_Man2: | my dad was ok with one |
| [06:28:29] | CCFL_Man2: | i'd like to get two or three more |
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| [06:30:13] | VanessaE: | why so many? |
| [06:30:27] | VanessaE: | why not do what they do here with digital dishes and put multiple receivers on it? |
| [06:30:36] | ajh_: | anyone know if trunk right now is crapping out while scanning channels on dvb-s? |
| [06:31:24] | ajh_: | DVBSM(1), Warning: Can not count Uncorrected Blocks |
| [06:31:24] | ajh_: | eno: Operation not supported (95) |
| [06:34:09] | CCFL_Man2: | VanessaE: everything isn't all on one satellite |
| [06:34:15] | VanessaE: | oh ok |
| [06:34:23] | VanessaE: | need to rotate/repoint I take it |
| [06:34:45] | ajh_: | using 16956 |
| [06:35:38] | CCFL_Man2: | well, i'll have my system set up as a headend, so i'll need a receiver per multiplex |
| [06:36:21] | CCFL_Man2: | each multiplex will be on the cable system at all times, constantly broadcasting |
| [06:37:13] | CCFL_Man2: | so if i want to use multiple irds, i need multiple dishes, one for each bird i want to receive |
| [06:37:25] | VanessaE: | not necessarily |
| [06:37:46] | VanessaE: | you can mount more than one receiver unit on the end of the mast |
| [06:37:57] | VanessaE: | the signal won't be perfect, but I've seen them do this with digital dishes also |
| [06:38:18] | VanessaE: | unless you have to point to a different satellite altogether of course. |
| [06:38:34] | VanessaE: | so I see what you meant. Strike that last statement :) |
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| [06:40:36] | CCFL_Man2: | ahh, hehe |
| [06:41:12] | hadees: | I FOUND IT!!!!!! Those A-holes really did give me two disabled boxes, i figured out how to get into the diagnostic pages and it says clear as day 1394 disabled under the Enabled screen |
| [06:41:13] | CCFL_Man2: | it'll be a mini cable headend |
| [06:41:38] | hadees: | does anyone here happen to have a working SA 3250HD handy? |
| [06:41:40] | VanessaE: | hadees: get new boxes or threaten to sue |
| [06:41:44] | hadees: | so i can verify i got the right column |
| [06:41:46] | VanessaE: | no, sorry |
| [06:41:47] | CCFL_Man2: | hadees: yep, they are worthless pieces of shit |
| [06:42:08] | hadees: | i just want to check it against someone with a working box |
| [06:42:48] | CCFL_Man2: | toobad you can't provision it at the box |
| [06:43:16] | hadees: | CCFL_Man2, i hope i don't have to go and exchange them and they can just send an update |
| [06:43:41] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: The boxes mean nothing, it's all in the policy file sent to the box |
| [06:43:55] | hadees: | i can't believe i waste all day, this makes me so angry because so many times i asked to make sure i got enabled ones |
| [06:44:12] | hadees: | iamlindoro, so you say but the question is will they update it |
| [06:44:33] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: The *only* way to activate a port on box, whether it be at your house or in their warehouse, is to attach it to the cable network and have a different policy sent |
| [06:44:56] | hadees: | iamlindoro_, well i'll be sure to use that lingo on them |
| [06:45:06] | hadees: | damn i hate them |
| [06:45:39] | VanessaE: | looks like you're only allowed to stream shows you've already recorded. |
| [06:45:42] | VanessaE: | not live TV |
| [06:45:57] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: Well, if they *won't*, the important thing to keep in mind is that they are *not* mandated by law to give you firewire-- the mandate comes from FCC regulations-- by defying it they put themselves theoretically at risk of losing a franchise, not of criminal prosecution |
| [06:46:24] | hadees: | iamlindoro_, hence why i'll take them to small claims court |
| [06:46:57] | VanessaE: | Some FCC regs have the force of law, iamlindoro |
| [06:47:14] | iamlindoro_: | Wrong, regulation and law are entirely different |
| [06:47:24] | iamlindoro_: | The *only* thing they could risk is their FCC license |
| [06:47:38] | iamlindoro_: | which they have too much money and too many people in their back pocket to lose |
| [06:47:39] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro_: why does cumcast charge frabchise to customers? |
| [06:47:46] | hadees: | yeah the FCC has a mandate but there isn't a law, but if they loose their FCC license they are screwed |
| [06:48:10] | CCFL_Man2: | franchise fees |
| [06:48:11] | hadees: | i mean there is a law giving the FCC the mandate |
| [06:48:13] | VanessaE: | for example, the reg that allows you to put up a TV antenna. So long as it doesn't go over 12 feet over rooftop, and it's in an area only you have access to (e.g. an attic, balcony, or your own back yard if it's a house), no one can force you to take it down. |
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| [06:48:40] | ajh_: | yeah, looks like channel scanning is messed right now. Oh well. |
| [06:48:47] | hadees: | VanessaE, i think thats just a jurisdiction issue. |
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| [06:49:56] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: Nope, the FCC mandates it of the cable companies who are issued licenses by the FCC-- if they defy the regulations they are in violation of the terms of their license-- but if you think an individual consumer has the power to overcome well-funded cable companies and have them lose their license, then you haven't been paying attention :) |
| [06:50:30] | hadees: | iamlindoro_, i expect them to cave way before that |
| [06:50:42] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro_: i bunch of customers filing fcc complaints might |
| [06:50:48] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: The FCC has no legislative power whatsoever-- for the cable companies to be defying *law* it would need to be passed by Congress or a state/local legislative authority |
| [06:50:50] | hadees: | other Time Warner operators let you use firewire |
| [06:51:02] | hadees: | iamlindoro, i think i just got a bunch of idiots |
| [06:51:11] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: Hopefully you get them to send out an amended policy to your box, no point in getting worked up this early on |
| [06:51:14] | hadees: | i need to find the person who knows what i'm talking about |
| [06:51:53] | iamlindoro_: | CCFL_Man2: People have been for a long time-- not to mention the cable co's *many* violations w/r/t internet service-- and yet we still get nailed in the end :) |
| [06:51:54] | hadees: | iamlindoro, i'm only so worked up because i must have asked 10 times that it was enabled, i specifically asked for them to get someone who knew what i was talking about if they never heard of this before |
| [06:52:31] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: Yes, I understand. Go back to the firewire wiki page and make sure you can quote the FCC reg linked there chapter and verse before you call back |
| [06:53:07] | iamlindoro_: | Don't get me wrong, I think they're idiots... I just want to put you in a knowledgable position regarding what you are threatening them with |
| [06:53:17] | hadees: | iamlindoro_, i will, do you think i should lie and say it is for a connection to a TV instead of a DVR? |
| [06:53:19] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro_: tis a real shame though, how cable companies are shitheads |
| [06:54:14] | hadees: | CCFL_Man2, is because they are Monopolies |
| [06:54:16] | iamlindoro_: | because someone in their legal department will *know* it's not a violation of law, but of regulation-- hadees, I don't think it's any of their damn business. I think honesty is the best policy-- at the very least, for whatever reason you want, they *are* obliged to give you at least what you could receive over the air |
| [06:55:39] | CCFL_Man2: | hadees: cable companies get away with what at&t got away with before 1984 |
| [06:55:41] | VanessaE: | why does the fcc itself, in their website, refer to their rules as "law" then? |
| [06:55:49] | hadees: | you know how the cable companies have those damn scripts they go through, i think the mythtv wiki needs one to deal with them =) |
| [06:56:16] | hadees: | it could be like dueling scripts |
| [06:56:43] | VanessaE: | scratch that |
| [06:56:54] | VanessaE: | this reads more like congressional legislation |
| [06:57:01] | iamlindoro_: | FCC regulations and laws are entirely different-- both exist. Firewire is governed by a regulation mandating a particular behavior by the cable co. Those laws referring to the FCC have been ratified by a *legislative* body like congress |
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| [06:58:24] | hadees: | I think the FCC has to much control, they are able to make to many decisions that should be in the hands of elected officials. But in this case the firewire mandate helps me |
| [06:58:35] | CCFL_Man2: | if it's a republican congress laws get passed in favor of big corperate giants |
| [06:59:04] | hadees: | CCFL_Man2, if it's any congress laws get passed to who pays the most |
| [06:59:21] | hadees: | it isn't republican specific |
| [06:59:55] | CCFL_Man2: | hadees: i know, but it happens more if they are republican |
| [07:00:27] | iamlindoro_: | a smarter idea would be to move the FCC from the legislative branch where they make up regulations to the executive branch where they enforce them, then require them to *propose* any regulatory or legislative change to congress where it has to be passed, that way you can always hold someone accountable for the change |
| [07:00:46] | hadees: | CCFL_Man2, eh anecdotal |
| [07:01:20] | iamlindoro_: | 'cause right now they can't make up laws but they can let the cable cos do as much or as little as they want-- move 'em to the executive branch and all that power goes away |
| [07:01:49] | iamlindoro_: | and they become strictly an enforcement organization, as they should be |
| [07:01:49] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro_: fcc also limits hobbiest transmitter power |
| [07:01:50] | hadees: | iamlindoro, but at the same token do you want someone who describes the Internet as a bunch of tubes making highly technical regulations decisions |
| [07:02:03] | iamlindoro_: | CCFL_Man2: yar, but that one had to get through Congress |
| [07:02:23] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: true, but you can vote the tards out in that case :) |
| [07:03:32] | iamlindoro_: | not to mention, as silly as it might sound, the internet as a series of tubes is *not* a bad analogy for the layman |
| [07:04:40] | iamlindoro_: | It's something everyone understands, it gets the point across, maybe without all the intricacies, but if I had to come up with a single sentence that the average yokel would understand, I might be hard-pressed to do better |
| [07:05:08] | hadees: | why not just say it is a couple tin cans and a string |
| [07:05:37] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro_: to transmit anythimg any reasonable distance, i need an upconverter or downconverter to transmit tge IF on a carrier i'm allowed to transmit |
| [07:06:15] | iamlindoro_: | CCFL_Man2: I say just stuff it down the series of tubes |
| [07:06:17] | hadees: | if you are alive today and can't understand a more robust description of the Internet then you have serious problems |
| [07:06:39] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro_: lol |
| [07:07:25] | CCFL_Man2: | the 434MHz band for car keyless entry and garage doors and stuff |
| [07:07:32] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: You think your grandmother/grandfather or mine would understand much more than that? Yours might, but mine wouldn't. My grandfather grew up in Africa and labored his whole life. The man can barely operate a telephone. He's not fool, but a series of tubes would make it perfectly clear to him. |
| [07:08:08] | hadees: | iamlindoro, well with all respect to your Grandfather he wasn't debating network neutrality |
| [07:08:58] | iamlindoro_: | true that, but at lot of the guys who have to are closer to my grandfather in tech saavy than they are to you and me-- the better we can make them understand, the better it is for us |
| [07:09:38] | hadees: | iamlindoro, i just have a problem with someone making laws about something he doesn't really seem to grasp |
| [07:09:44] | iamlindoro_: | So I say start with series of tubes and build on that |
| [07:10:49] | hadees: | and thats the problem right there anyway having people who need to be given a simplified version vote on a highly technical bill |
| [07:10:51] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: Again, it's *not* a bad metaphor-- if he had said something silly *and* wrong I'd be with you, but as basic as it is it's not, strictly speaking, *wrong* |
| [07:11:08] | CCFL_Man2: | tubes meaning pipes? |
| [07:11:34] | CCFL_Man2: | when you say tubes i think of vacuum tubes |
| [07:11:35] | iamlindoro_: | CCFL_Man2: to the average joe, the two are one and the same |
| [07:11:41] | hadees: | Ten movies streaming across that, that Internet, and what happens to your own personal Internet? I just the other day got... an Internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday, I got it yesterday [Tuesday]. Why? Because it got tangled up with all these things going on the Internet commercially. |
| [07:11:41] | hadees: | [...] They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the Internet. And again, the Internet is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand, those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of ma |
| [07:11:41] | hadees: | terial. |
| [07:11:59] | iamlindoro_: | Hey, I can quote wikipedia too ya know |
| [07:12:45] | CCFL_Man2: | heh |
| [07:13:14] | iamlindoro_: | and again, as much as it glosses over the intricacies, and roughly speaking, none of that is blatantly *wrong*. Internet congestion *does* slow traffic. Bandwidth *is* finite. |
| [07:13:28] | CCFL_Man2: | i think of the intarwebs as a bunch of routers connected via tcp/ip with super complex routing tables |
| [07:13:46] | hadees: | i didn't quote i sent it down the tubes |
| [07:14:36] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, I'm going to sleep, I have to run a freakin half marathon tomorrow AM |
| [07:14:44] | CCFL_Man2: | damn |
| [07:14:56] | CCFL_Man2: | i get to sleep to 1PM |
| [07:15:54] | CCFL_Man2: | night man |
| [07:16:14] | VanessaE: | Night.. |
| [07:16:43] | hadees: | later |
| [07:16:54] | hadees: | i got a big day of fighting the man tomorrow |
| [07:17:29] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm hoping i get my vintage phone parts tomorrow |
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| [07:34:27] | hadees: | wow this is really cool, http://chriscarey.com/projects/mythtv/iphone/ |
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| [07:51:50] | Dar1us: | I am seeing the setup program create transports with a frequency of 0Hz – this seems broken. Any idea why this might be the case? |
| [07:52:36] | Dar1us: | ie I see 5 0Hz transports and 6 valid looking ones |
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| [08:44:20] | conathan: | I had some questions about RTC use within mythtv. |
| [08:46:18] | conathan: | Base install onto a EeePC, frezes after 1 second, tellmg me that 'NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers' |
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| [08:46:30] | conathan: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Troubles . . . ideo_buffers advised that it may have something to do with the rtc |
| [08:46:47] | conathan: | so I deleted /dev/rtc (temporairly), and allowed it to use udev and it ran flawlessly. |
| [08:46:54] | conathan: | I was just wondering what's going on. |
| [08:47:19] | conathan: | [Also, I am playing with the new RTC_CMOS kernel option. I do not know if that has everything mythtv needs or not] |
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| [09:10:13] | Blaasvis: | hi, could anyone help me. i have my sound working in mythtv but i do not have sound in mythmusic, it is all connected through spdif |
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| [09:17:10] | conathan: | mythvideo has an option to use a external program to play video, perhaps mythmusic has a simular system, and it is using a different sound device |
| [09:17:32] | justinh: | mythmusic doesn't have such a thing (thankfully) |
| [09:17:45] | cesman: | what he said |
| [09:18:01] | justinh: | you never know – it might not be too long until mythvideo loses its ability to use an external player |
| [09:18:21] | justinh: | (I wish!) |
| [09:18:41] | conathan: | cool, I can provide support without using something (: |
| [09:18:58] | conathan: | now, if only my system worked, without me deleting /dev/rtc ); |
| [09:19:47] | justinh: | conathan: basically all mythtv needs (AFAIK) is a way to set the wakeup time |
| [09:20:32] | justinh: | Blaasvis: does ordinary PCM audio come out through SPDIF ? |
| [09:20:45] | Blaasvis: | justinh: yeah, everything works |
| [09:20:57] | rooaus: | Blaasvis: I suspect you need to upsample 44.1kHz content 48kHz for your spdif out hardware. |
| [09:20:59] | justinh: | Blaasvis: and mythmusic outputs over analogue as it should? |
| [09:21:09] | Blaasvis: | video,stream |
| [09:21:11] | justinh: | I was just about to say what rooaus just said |
| [09:21:14] | conathan: | justinh: Video Timer Method: RTC, I thought it was used to keep the videostream at the right time |
| [09:21:15] | Blaasvis: | i do not have analog |
| [09:21:33] | Blaasvis: | i tested 44100hz and 48000hz in the console with speaker-test |
| [09:21:37] | Blaasvis: | worked fine |
| [09:21:40] | justinh: | conathan: uhhh playback profiles. I hate them |
| [09:21:48] | Blaasvis: | totem,rhuthmbox etc... works |
| [09:21:51] | Blaasvis: | mplayer works |
| [09:21:56] | conathan: | justinh: never dealt with them until today, learning to hate them myself (: |
| [09:21:58] | Blaasvis: | only mythmusic not |
| [09:22:09] | justinh: | Blaasvis: is the volume turned all the way down? :P |
| [09:22:19] | Blaasvis: | justinh: hmmm |
| [09:22:24] | justinh: | mythmusic doesn't have a common volume control with the rest of mythtv |
| [09:23:09] | justinh: | anyhoo – time to go buy some USB flashy flasy |
| [09:23:23] | conathan: | justinh: then it's your lucky day |
| [09:23:26] | Blaasvis: | hmmm also not |
| [09:23:32] | conathan: | justinh: corsair just started selling their 32G flashstick |
| [09:23:47] | conathan: | $230, dont know what country's currency that is |
| [09:28:10] | Blaasvis: | the strange part seems that my progress bar isn't moving.. |
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| [09:32:31] | rooaus: | Blaasvis: Try starting he frontend with "-v audio" and check the log file. Are you running current trunk? |
| [09:32:59] | Blaasvis: | rooaus: nope, 0.21 from mythbuntu |
| [09:34:32] | rooaus: | Good, trunk is experiencing some growing changes atm. |
| [09:34:56] | Blaasvis: | rooaus: ah this makes sense to me :) |
| [09:35:16] | Blaasvis: | 2008-04–05 11:33:51.058 Error opening audio device (standaard), the error was: No such file or directory |
| [09:35:32] | Blaasvis: | the translations, make it behave weird :P |
| [09:35:43] | Blaasvis: | standaard should be standard i guess |
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| [09:39:46] | Blaasvis: | rooaus: change == good |
| [09:41:01] | rooaus: | yeah, there will be long term benefits. |
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| [09:48:22] | Blaasvis: | it all seem fine now :D |
| [09:52:39] | rooaus: | cool |
| [09:55:04] | Blaasvis: | i changed it to /dev/adsp |
| [09:55:27] | Blaasvis: | it only puts out stereo, but i still need to find music that uses 5.1 |
| [10:11:55] | DustyBin: | can a normal audio cd be recorded in 5.1 ? |
| [10:12:14] | DustyBin: | or would it have to be a dvd ? |
| [10:15:58] | Blaasvis: | i am not sure, cd's should be able to produce dolby pro logic |
| [10:16:24] | Blaasvis: | since it can be send over stereo |
| [10:19:01] | Blaasvis: | brb |
| [10:19:02] | DustyBin: | sent over stereo only via a digital connection |
| [10:19:17] | DustyBin: | hence the word dolby 'digital' |
| [10:19:19] | VanessaE: | yes it can |
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| [10:19:32] | VanessaE: | I forget the method used, but they can contain 5.1 sound. |
| [10:19:58] | DustyBin: | 5.1 sent over analogue stereo? |
| [10:20:01] | conathan: | I remember my adventures with spdif... |
| [10:20:23] | VanessaE: | I'm not sure about analog. I only know that digital sources can |
| [10:20:31] | DustyBin: | aye yes of course |
| [10:20:34] | conathan: | It only did surround sound with AC3 ): although I think the problem existed between the chair and keyboard |
| [10:20:40] | conathan: | 5.1 sound |
| [10:21:00] | VanessaE: | I've heard an MP3 deliver full "holophonic" sound before |
| [10:21:09] | VanessaE: | over headphones |
| [10:21:50] | VanessaE: | not just front/back/left/right but above and below the listener too. It was weird. |
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| [10:22:43] | conathan: | there are 5.1 wave files, |
| [10:22:48] | conathan: | at least 5 on the internet |
| [10:22:53] | VanessaE: | this was a two-channel MP3 |
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| [10:33:23] | mzb_d800: | conathan: KCI ;) |
| [10:33:36] | AndyCap: | binaural recording? |
| [10:34:50] | AndyCap: | looks like wikipedia has a sample http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_recording |
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| [10:37:09] | conathan: | KCI? |
| [10:37:11] | ** conathan msnsearches ** | |
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| [10:46:43] | Blaasvis: | hmmm this dvd player is dying |
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| [10:47:00] | Blaasvis: | is it allready possible to use blueray with mythtv ? |
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| [11:41:34] | blackest: | anyone know anything about opendab |
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| [12:01:59] | justinh: | Blaasvis: there isn't yet a linux bluray player, so no |
| [12:02:27] | justinh: | blackest: for the psion wavefinder? heh I used to have one of those PoS |
| [12:09:45] | natoka: | hmm, interesting, on dvb epg data is sent via eit in europe |
| [12:10:02] | natoka: | though not all channels send sensible eit data |
| [12:13:01] | natoka: | is anyone using nxtvepg here? |
| [12:15:59] | natoka: | is it possible to extract additional information with nxtvepg compared to normail EIT? |
| [12:16:50] | justinh: | http://nxtvepg.sourceforge.net/ |
| [12:19:04] | justinh: | that site says no, so I guess NO :) |
| [12:19:50] | purserj: | the standard doesn't allow for that |
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| [12:49:51] | Blaasvis: | one more question from me, is there an way to export mythvideo to psp from the gui ? |
| [12:50:08] | Blaasvis: | not the recordings of the tv proprams |
| [12:50:56] | Dar1us: | what else? |
| [12:51:40] | Blaasvis: | i got a lot of anime on the system, it would be nice if it would get converted to mp4 on the fly and put on my psp |
| [12:52:04] | Dar1us: | dunno |
| [12:52:14] | Dar1us: | but asking the right question helps ;) |
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| [13:09:14] | justinh: | pfft |
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| [13:27:12] | mjj29: | so, I regularly have the problem that if mythcommflag runs on a large (2.3 hr) recording at the same time as recording/watching the load goes through the roof |
| [13:27:16] | mjj29: | has anyone else seen that? |
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| [14:01:01] | ICM^: | I know this is insanely off topic, but could somebody give me the IP address of a free WHOIS service, my connection is going haywire, I can get to google, but that's about it. connections to two IRC networks dropped |
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| [14:02:22] | justinh: | heh. like WHOIS doesn't work on the command line |
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| [14:53:43] | loops: | anyone tried myth from totem? i can't even find a way to configure it in :o/ |
| [14:54:31] | natoka: | ? |
| [14:54:43] | natoka: | error message? |
| [14:56:24] | joomla_user: | error 21: I don't know what i am talking about |
| [14:56:46] | loops: | natoka, were you asking me? |
| [14:57:30] | Hoxzer: | I suppose incorrect theme xml file could cause a segfault ? |
| [14:58:01] | natoka: | loops: probably yes, ... |
| [14:58:27] | natoka: | Hoxzer: only if the xml parser is buggy |
| [14:58:49] | natoka: | loops: and there is a plugin for mythtv for the totem media player |
| [14:58:58] | loops: | natoka, well i don't have any error message. I don't see any option on how to use myth from totem, only vague references that it's now possible |
| [14:59:15] | loops: | natoka, yeah, apparently there is a new plugin for totem |
| [14:59:31] | Hoxzer: | natoka: Ok, then I guess I have to do some more research on this |
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| [15:40:50] | phrag: | hey guys |
| [15:40:55] | CyberKnet: | hello phrag. |
| [15:44:03] | ** CyberKnet lets his updates download for a bit ** | |
| [15:44:52] | phrag: | how can i tell what is hanging my card driver... dvb_usb_dib0700 ? |
| [15:45:16] | phrag: | backend says it's in use, i stop mythbackend and try to rmmod, but says device in use |
| [15:45:24] | natoka: | phrag: is this perchance a hauppage nova t 500? |
| [15:45:34] | phrag: | it is |
| [15:45:45] | phrag: | i recently upgraded the driver, due to similar hangs |
| [15:45:53] | phrag: | seems not to have fixed it entirely |
| [15:46:04] | natoka: | phrag: well then, it's known that the usb stuff on the card has its problems |
| [15:46:35] | phrag: | ok, i'm actually trying to write a quick script to restart it when it hangs |
| [15:46:38] | natoka: | phrag: which is partionally related to the firmware in some cases |
| [15:46:47] | DustyBin: | from mythweb, using mythmusic plugin, when i click on Playlist > NEW, nothing happend? its the red button |
| [15:46:52] | natoka: | phrag: so it's not fixable by driver upgradees |
| [15:46:54] | phrag: | so i need a way to see what is hanging it, so i can rmmod && modprobe it |
| [15:47:28] | natoka: | phrag: that may or may not solve the problem |
| [15:47:48] | phrag: | reloading the module has worked in the past |
| [15:48:06] | natoka: | phrag: if it's something bad happening with the firmware, then you can probably go reloading til the end of time without fixing it |
| [15:48:27] | phrag: | but something is still using it... a reinit or reboot would reiniate it, but really want to avoid that obviously |
| [15:48:29] | DustyBin: | i understand now |
| [15:48:52] | natoka: | phrag: try fuser |
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| [15:49:15] | phrag: | natoka, i've always used this firmware... i know i can't permanently fix it, but when it does bug, i want to be able to reload it... which has 'brought it back to life again' |
| [15:49:45] | phrag: | natoka, i'll check that out, thanks |
| [15:50:00] | natoka: | phrag: if there is a process accessing the dvb device file you can see it with fuser |
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| [16:24:05] | justinh: | incorrect theme xml files _can_ (and do) cause segfaults |
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| [16:33:45] | Puhi: | why? |
| [16:33:48] | Puhi: | =) |
| [16:34:04] | justinh: | because because because because! |
| [16:34:39] | justinh: | a user who isn't futzing with theme xml files should never experience segfaults due to borked files |
| [16:35:14] | justinh: | although if somebody is using a theme which isn't compatible with the version of myth they're running (HARD LINES!) it can happen too |
| [16:36:10] | Puhi: | none of the mythfrontend binaries for osx work :( |
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| [16:36:58] | axod: | hi is it possible to get just a dvd jukebox install? |
| [16:37:07] | axod: | I don't want all the backend etc |
| [16:37:44] | justinh: | it's a bit contrived & hassle-bound for use without TV stuff IMHO |
| [16:38:09] | axod: | there don't seem to be any decent dvd jukeboxes around :( |
| [16:38:13] | axod: | and frontrow sucks |
| [16:38:21] | axod: | crashes every 5 minutes |
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| [16:38:49] | justinh: | well, you at least need the mysql database for mythvideo to work |
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| [16:39:38] | axod: | ok, |
| [16:41:14] | Anduin: | Any theme related crash should result in a ticket, even when the theme shouldn't work. Some things get fixed accidentally but it doesn't happen often. |
| [16:46:28] | axod: | it looks like a problem with the rip |
| [16:46:44] | axod: | vlc plays it but pops up some dialog about a possible bug |
| [16:46:49] | axod: | :/ |
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| [16:53:08] | vontrapp: | does mythtv try to keep clocks in sync at all? |
| [16:53:21] | vontrapp: | i just want to make sure it's not mucking with the clock in anyway |
| [16:53:27] | EvilGuru: | How can I delete jsut a single channel in the channel editor? As is seems to just let me delete the lot |
| [16:53:32] | justinh: | vontrapp: nope |
| [16:53:40] | justinh: | EvilGuru: tried pressing D ? |
| [16:53:42] | natoka: | vontrapp: nope |
| [16:54:01] | vontrapp: | just checking, ntp is failing miserably |
| [16:54:02] | natoka: | vontrapp: you will need ntp to keep your clock in sync with time |
| [16:54:06] | vontrapp: | i lose about 1 sec/day |
| [16:54:08] | EvilGuru: | justinh: I say yes, but it does nothing |
| [16:56:08] | hadees: | So the guy at time warner austin tx tried to tell me they don't have any firewire enabled boxes because they were all recalled, Now that is bullshit because of the FCC regulations and i have a SA 3250 HD with two ports, shouldn't they be able to enable them? |
| [16:56:17] | hadees: | i know other people use the 3250 HD box |
| [16:56:35] | hadees: | he said i need some F model of the box or something |
| [16:59:01] | hadees: | anyone have any suggestions? |
| [16:59:22] | hadees: | a supervisor is going to call me back but the tech said he will tell me the same thing |
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| [17:02:01] | Puhi: | i'm still smirking at devs who stubbornly sit at #mythtv instead of #mythtv-dev or such and direct newbies to #mythtv-users every three hours ;) |
| [17:02:35] | justinh: | you ain't gonna win that one |
| [17:03:14] | fryfrog: | what happens when you read them the part of the FCC ruling and then tell them you will be reporting them to the FCC? |
| [17:03:17] | vontrapp: | so what _is_ the point of #mythtv? a place to tell newbies not to go? |
| [17:03:27] | justinh: | vontrapp: for developer related chat |
| [17:03:36] | vontrapp: | but... #mythtv-dev |
| [17:03:39] | fryfrog: | vontrapp: it is where the developers hang out |
| [17:03:50] | justinh: | #mythtv was there first, and it was only for devs then |
| [17:03:51] | fryfrog: | #gallery and #gallery-support are the same way |
| [17:04:08] | justinh: | besides, no amount of whining is gonna change the situation! |
| [17:04:24] | vontrapp: | so when you said "instead of #mythtv-dev" you meant they stubbornly refuse to create an alternate channel for themselves |
| [17:04:39] | justinh: | I meant there's absolutely no point even dicussing it |
| [17:04:46] | hadees: | fryfrog, well the guy told me to file the complaint |
| [17:04:47] | fryfrog: | logically, it would be smart to make the "default" landing pad the one where people get support. #mythtv, #gallery, etc |
| [17:04:58] | vontrapp: | well, you didn't say it, Puhi did |
| [17:05:10] | hadees: | then i told him i would sue them in small claims court and would win because i will produce the FCC doc and he said he couldn't talk about that |
| [17:05:14] | fryfrog: | but those channels have been *mostly* dev from the start, only gaining more and more support questions as time goes on |
| [17:05:20] | hadees: | he would have to refer me to legal |
| [17:05:36] | hadees: | fryfrog, now i have to wait up to 2 hours for a supervisor |
| [17:05:45] | justinh: | fryfrog: support/rtfm |
| [17:05:50] | fryfrog: | so the logical thing for "them" is to make a new channel for support :) |
| [17:06:21] | fryfrog: | hadees: well, the only real way to make them feel it is to vote with your $$$ and cancel your service, telling them it is because of their failure to comply with FCC regulations |
| [17:06:31] | fryfrog: | and file a complaint with as many places as you can |
| [17:06:46] | hadees: | fryfrog, yeah but thats a huge pain and i sort of need their internet service |
| [17:06:47] | EvilGuru: | If I have a DVB-T card and an analogue card do I need separate video sources for them? |
| [17:06:48] | fryfrog: | for example, your local government that handles their cable francise |
| [17:06:50] | fryfrog: | and the FCC |
| [17:06:56] | fryfrog: | hadees: yeah, i know what you mean :( |
| [17:07:11] | fryfrog: | hadees: you could also try an EECB |
| [17:07:17] | vontrapp: | fryfrog: the logical thing for "them" is to reduce factors of annoyance |
| [17:07:18] | EvilGuru: | This whole thing is far too complicated for my liking |
| [17:07:18] | GreyFoxx: | hadees: Got to a local news station |
| [17:07:19] | fryfrog: | check out consumerist.com :) |
| [17:07:19] | hadees: | fryfrog, i think i really will sue them if they refuse |
| [17:07:23] | GreyFoxx: | bring the FCC info |
| [17:07:26] | vontrapp: | a simple #mythtv-dev would do so drastically |
| [17:07:34] | justinh: | vontrapp: sshhh |
| [17:07:38] | fryfrog: | vontrapp: sure, i totally agree |
| [17:07:45] | fryfrog: | vontrapp: but see it from *their* side too |
| [17:07:57] | hadees: | GreyFoxx, hehe, i was thinking of calling Clark Howard, he has a national radio show and part of his deal is empowering consumers |
| [17:07:59] | fryfrog: | vontrapp: for *YEARS* they have been hanging out in that irc channel, it is their "home" |
| [17:08:02] | justinh: | it's been said plenty of times, the channels won't be changing. put up with it |
| [17:08:12] | fryfrog: | my wife has treated clark howard's dog :) |
| [17:08:21] | GreyFoxx: | hadees: Make sure you hit up the TV news too |
| [17:08:40] | GreyFoxx: | Make it cost them more than just your money |
| [17:08:42] | fryfrog: | hadees: check out consumerist too, huge reader base and lots of people get results from companies when their post is expsosed |
| [17:08:57] | hadees: | yeah, well lets see, i mean i know other people have Time Warner working |
| [17:09:06] | hadees: | i have to think it is just poor training |
| [17:09:15] | hadees: | they must have these things somewhere |
| [17:09:20] | fryfrog: | just keep calling back, best thing you can do |
| [17:09:23] | hadees: | or know how to enable the box i already have |
| [17:09:26] | CyberKnet: | hadees: Yes, there is a lot of that in cable companies. |
| [17:09:28] | fryfrog: | eventually you'll get someone who knows what they are talking about |
| [17:09:31] | CyberKnet: | (poor training) |
| [17:09:32] | fryfrog: | maybe |
| [17:10:14] | justinh: | fryfrog: you should try that when your cable co doesn't have a call centre in the country you live in :( |
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| [17:10:33] | vontrapp: | justinh: oh i have no problem with it, like Puhi said though, it's fun to smirk at their futile fight |
| [17:10:49] | hadees: | anyone know how to quote the specific location of the regulation in the FCC doc? I know where it is and am reading it but i don't know how to tell them exactly |
| [17:11:09] | justinh: | futile or not, it's their right :P |
| [17:11:37] | GreyFoxx: | vontrapp: Itès also fun to watch how upset that ÈusersÈ get at someone not changing to do things the way the users feel it should be |
| [17:11:50] | GreyFoxx: | cause heaven forbid the users learn to read topics or onjoin notices :) |
| [17:12:19] | hadees: | i think we shouldn't have a #mythtv channel at all, only #mythtv-users and #mythtv-dev, now that will really annoy people when they show up to an empty channel |
| [17:12:21] | justinh: | unplug brain, join IRC |
| [17:12:23] | vontrapp: | indeed, but the irony is it's the devs who _do_ read topics, and the _users_ are clueless |
| [17:12:49] | GreyFoxx: | Obviously after years of it being like this, itès not annoying enough to bother people to change:) |
| [17:13:18] | justinh: | if people are so unclued that they don't bother to read topics and/or joining messages... wth are they doing trying to use mythtv? ;) |
| [17:13:20] | vontrapp: | i agree, i just misunderstood Puhi originally, and thought there _was_ a #mythtv-dev |
| [17:13:22] | GreyFoxx: | wtf is up with my keyboard |
| [17:13:56] | hadees: | I wonder if i called the FCC Consumer & Mediation Specialists hotline i would be able to get anywhere |
| [17:14:14] | hadees: | i bet they know less about that regulation then the cable company though |
| [17:15:31] | ** justinh wonders how many other people are seeing http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5113 ** | |
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| [17:16:46] | ** Anduin puts money on 1 ** | |
| [17:16:49] | vontrapp: | ok, i've figured out the clock |
| [17:17:02] | vontrapp: | FYI, the ntp package in ubuntu is b0rked |
| [17:17:43] | vontrapp: | it includes two ntp servers in the default config, and ntp require only 1 or 4+, because 2 will disagree in all likely hood and it won't be able to decide which one to use |
| [17:17:55] | justinh: | Anduin: maybe I should add I've ruled out playback profiles, since it's doing it with all the profiles too |
| [17:18:32] | justinh: | mmm maybe I should just check my database just in case |
| [17:19:28] | vontrapp: | justinh: hmm, don't have HD, and i've never experienced that |
| [17:19:54] | justinh: | I don't have HD either |
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| [17:21:57] | vontrapp: | urm, maybe ubuntu isn't broken... |
| [17:22:08] | vontrapp: | must have been me :/ |
| [17:22:24] | vontrapp: | i thought for sure i never touched the config |
| [17:22:46] | justinh: | if the problem on that ticket is a user error I'd love to have some light shed on it |
| [17:25:56] | CyberKnet: | wow. Project grayhem theme takes quite a while to pre-scale. |
| [17:26:20] | justinh: | CyberKnet: that's because it sucks :) |
| [17:26:25] | DustyBin: | CyberKnet: i put that down to guy who created it |
| [17:26:36] | DustyBin: | :P |
| [17:27:01] | CyberKnet: | I have no idea who created it... |
| [17:27:25] | justinh: | just some asshole |
| [17:27:26] | DustyBin: | CyberKnet: maybe we should do some research and find out whos responsible |
| [17:27:52] | CyberKnet: | DustyBin: I would, but I'm a user. I come to channels like this to do my research for me. |
| [17:27:54] | CyberKnet: | :P" |
| [17:28:32] | CyberKnet: | Actually... I tried to use that theme just now, but it kept throwing blank screens at me in some menus. weird. Back to Iuilius I guess. |
| [17:29:03] | CyberKnet: | Visor was doing the same thing on a different menu. |
| [17:29:14] | jsumners: | i have an mceusb2 remote/ir receiver and it takes two key presses for each input to be registered. is there anyway to fix this? |
| [17:29:20] | justinh: | visor? yikes I thought that theme was long dead! |
| [17:29:39] | CyberKnet: | I don't know... I like the nice clean lines on visor, and how bright it is. |
| [17:29:52] | CyberKnet: | but I also dislike how bright it is. |
| [17:29:53] | CyberKnet: | heh |
| [17:29:59] | CyberKnet: | typical user. |
| [17:29:59] | hadees: | MePo is really nice |
| [17:30:46] | justinh: | my next one is still well & truly under wraps |
| [17:31:19] | justinh: | in 2 minds about whether to ever go public with it or not. might just slip it into trunk one day on the quiet |
| [17:31:38] | hadees: | justinh, why would you never go public with it? |
| [17:31:42] | CyberKnet: | well I suppose I had better start trying to get my firewire working |
| [17:32:35] | justinh: | hadees: support requests, people wanting changes... |
| [17:32:47] | Dibblah: | justinh: Simple. Call it blootube-wide. With one fell swoop, you reduce your support load ;) |
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| [17:33:11] | hadees: | justinh, so just put it on a site somewhere and not in svn |
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| [17:33:56] | Dibblah: | I'm surprised that this QT4 stuff is going as fast as it is... |
| [17:34:08] | Dibblah: | Some of the devs are _really_ putting in the hours. |
| [17:34:37] | ^Willie^: | hi there |
| [17:34:55] | CyberKnet: | I was surprised to see QT4 in mentioned on mythtv.org in the latest release too. |
| [17:35:05] | ^Willie^: | mythtv.nl is down is that url going up again ? |
| [17:37:20] | Dibblah: | 4 is not in 0.21 or -fixes. |
| [17:37:44] | ^Willie^: | is mythtv working with dvb-t or dvb-c ? |
| [17:38:23] | CyberKnet: | Hmm... maybe I saw it in commits |
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| [17:38:53] | Mousey: | i |
| [17:38:54] | Mousey: | hi |
| [17:38:56] | ** CyberKnet wonders why his box is sitting at text "GRUB" following POST ** | |
| [17:39:08] | CyberKnet: | hmmmm |
| [17:39:12] | CyberKnet: | this can't be good. |
| [17:39:24] | Mousey: | so seriously, what's the deal, why does rip DVD's transcode stop after the DVD's ripped even tho the transcode hasn't finished?? |
| [17:39:46] | CyberKnet: | Mousey: no idea |
| [17:39:54] | ^Willie^: | CyberKnet: is mythtv working with dvb-t or dvb-c ? |
| [17:39:57] | CyberKnet: | I don't rip DVDs to my myth box. |
| [17:40:11] | CyberKnet: | ^Willie^: I also don't use DVB |
| [17:40:30] | ^Willie^: | and the site with the info i need is down .. someone did forget to pay his bills .. |
| [17:40:47] | Anduin: | Mousey: check the mtd.log |
| [17:40:54] | hadees: | ^Willie^, try google cache |
| [17:41:05] | ^Willie^: | hadees: i did try that already and no suc6 |
| [17:42:49] | ^Willie^: | bur do i need anything special to play my current media stuff ? |
| [17:42:58] | ^Willie^: | s/bur/but |
| [17:44:34] | ** CyberKnet goes to download Fedora 8 for a rescue disk ** | |
| [17:45:21] | EvilGuru: | I run mythtv in a window on my PC. Is there any way to get it to scale the window to the size of the video being played back (so no manual size-setting required) |
| [17:45:29] | ^Willie^: | but there is no-one here who is using dvb cards ? |
| [17:46:37] | jams: | EvilGuru- no |
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| [17:47:09] | EvilGuru: | Ah well |
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| [17:52:42] | ajh: | so, split the fe/be and I'm connecting to mysql fine, but I'm getting a connection refused on port 6543... |
| [17:54:15] | ajh: | now I get that both remote and using localhost |
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| [18:09:02] | ajh: | ah, ok the backend just cannot connect to mysql while everything else can, where in the backend is the password stored? |
| [18:10:38] | ajh: | everywhere I can find it, it's correct, but it's still insisting on trying to use 'mythtv' |
| [18:12:03] | Anduin: | ajh: Look for some global mysql.txt |
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| [18:20:40] | hadees: | Does anyone know if the SA4250HDC can be tuned with MythTV? |
| [18:20:43] | hadees: | what about the SA4250HD? |
| [18:21:11] | hadees: | the Time Warner guy is seeing if he can get me a SA4250HDC with the port enabled but i noticed on the mailing list people not being able to tune with it |
| [18:21:27] | hadees: | and i have no idea where to figure out what models mythtv supports |
| [18:24:18] | ajh: | anduin, yeah that was my first assumption, but every mysql.txt on the system has the right password. |
| [18:25:07] | Anduin: | ajh: possibly config.xml |
| [18:26:00] | tjcarter: | hadees: I tune with a 3250HD just fine |
| [18:26:15] | hadees: | tjcarter, i have a 3250HD but the ports aren't enabled |
| [18:26:24] | tjcarter: | hadees: the 4250HD is very similar |
| [18:26:30] | tjcarter: | fw port? |
| [18:26:37] | hadees: | yeah |
| [18:26:43] | tjcarter: | yeah, mine's pretty well locked down too |
| [18:26:55] | tjcarter: | I get channels 750–756 only |
| [18:26:55] | hadees: | tjcarter, how did you get it enabled? |
| [18:27:00] | hadees: | lol |
| [18:27:01] | hadees: | really? |
| [18:27:16] | tjcarter: | rest via S-Video |
| [18:27:46] | hadees: | tjcarter, are those your local channels? |
| [18:27:51] | tjcarter: | yes |
| [18:27:56] | ajh: | I think I see what's happening,t he init script is actually calling something interactive, and not it directly, I'll have to look closer. |
| [18:28:08] | hadees: | who is your cable provider? |
| [18:29:11] | hadees: | tjcarter, how were you able to figure out you only got those channels? |
| [18:29:27] | hadees: | because it looks to me like my box doesn't work but maybe its only he channels |
| [18:29:39] | hadees: | i don't know i'm new to this but the service screen i looked at looks like it doesn' twork |
| [18:30:00] | hadees: | tjcarter, hey do you know how to get the service screen? could you check something for me? |
| [18:30:23] | ajh: | something stale from previous install I think. |
| [18:31:14] | hadees: | tjcarter, to get to the service screen you hold down the middle button until it the message light flashes and then you press info |
| [18:36:24] | tjcarter: | hadees: trial and error. |
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| [18:42:39] | hadees: | tjcarter, but when you did firewire_tester did you have to do anything to set it to those channels? |
| [18:43:06] | hadees: | because i believe mine is totally disabled because firewire_tester doesn't work at all |
| [18:44:22] | hadees: | if you could i would be really curious what your 3250HD box says about IEEE 1394 on page 20 of the service screen |
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| [18:44:43] | TelnetManta: | Need some hardware advice, guys |
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| [18:44:53] | hadees: | TelnetManta, go with the blue one |
| [18:45:04] | TelnetManta: | I have a P4 2.8Ghz system here that I just thre mythbuntu on |
| [18:45:04] | Khonshu: | I concur :) |
| [18:45:20] | TelnetManta: | will it be suffecient to run as a backend recording from 4 sources at once? |
| [18:45:28] | hadees: | TelnetManta, yeah |
| [18:45:33] | TelnetManta: | Its actually a Dell GX270 |
| [18:46:22] | TelnetManta: | well that was easy |
| [18:46:22] | hadees: | TelnetManta, i record 5 sources with a AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ |
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| [18:46:27] | TelnetManta: | any mins on RFam? |
| [18:46:32] | Piffer: | Anyone here using Silicon Dust HDHomeRun?? |
| [18:46:33] | TelnetManta: | *ram |
| [18:46:54] | hadees: | TelnetManta, i don't think so but i would a normal amount for a standard system |
| [18:47:04] | TelnetManta: | Any issue having the rocording directory on a different physical disk, worried about disk I/O |
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| [18:47:18] | TelnetManta: | it has 513mb now but could add more easily |
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| [18:47:22] | hadees: | TelnetManta, what do you mean different physical disk? |
| [18:47:39] | hadees: | TelnetManta, try it out with your ram now, i have a gig but i don't think it is needed |
| [18:47:46] | TelnetManta: | the OS is one a 40gb disk. I wanted to add a 500GB drive for recording storage. |
| [18:47:55] | hadees: | TelnetManta, oh yeah no problem |
| [18:48:13] | TelnetManta: | kewl, Im used to a BE/FE combo system so this is new to me :-) |
| [18:49:05] | tjcarter: | hadees: I don't think I used firewire_tester |
| [18:49:12] | hadees: | TelnetManta, yeah i love the separate because the backend can be noisy as it wants |
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| [18:49:35] | hadees: | HDTV cpu decoding is the real mythtv resources hog |
| [18:49:43] | hadees: | but thats only for a frontend |
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| [19:21:19] | bobgill: | Anyone here use mythfrontend on dual monitors? Trying to find a command to run mythfrontend on either left/right display so I don't have to go into the settings and change it everytime |
| [19:22:58] | fryfrog: | if you find the db value that is assosicated with it, you could launch it with that |
| [19:23:08] | fryfrog: | i think it is like "-o dbkey=value" |
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| [19:30:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | fryfrog: hehe — I looked at the screen really quick and first saw "OkeyDokey" ;-) |
| [19:37:01] | fryfrog: | J-e-f-f-A: er, i had to reboot so i think i missed a bit? |
| [19:37:25] | fryfrog: | also, i sort of forgot what i said :) |
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| [19:38:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | fryfrog: you said: "<fryfrog> i think it is like "-o dbkey=value" — and when I read it quickly, I thought you said "OkeyDokey"... ;-) — I just thought that was funny... ;-) |
| [19:46:36] | tjcarter: | storage groups question... If I add a storage group directory and move all of my recordings there, will myth need to be updated to know they've moved? |
| [19:46:50] | tjcarter: | ie, does it check or does it assume? |
| [19:47:15] | tjcarter: | both behaviors would be quite acceptable under the circumstances. |
| [19:47:23] | Deek: | find out :) |
| [19:48:33] | tjcarter: | I'm hoping not to find out |
| [19:52:19] | fryfrog: | jeffc91: ah |
| [19:52:23] | fryfrog: | er, J-e-f-f-A i mean |
| [19:54:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | tjcarter: So move ONE file, and then check it in Myth to see what happens... |
| [19:54:49] | Deek: | and if it doesn't, just move it anyway and hack the gibson. |
| [19:54:50] | hads: | If it's in a storage group the backend will find it. |
| [19:54:57] | tjcarter: | that's what I'll do, but I'm planning significant Myth upgrade |
| [19:55:28] | Deek: | hadees: even if it's got a full path in the db? |
| [19:58:02] | hads: | I assume that's for me. The DB doesn't have the full path, it's got the basename and storage group. |
| [19:58:40] | Deek: | indeed. |
| [19:58:47] | Deek: | damn tab expansion! |
| [19:59:13] | tjcarter: | now if everything used storage groups |
| [19:59:22] | tjcarter: | music, videos, etc |
| [19:59:37] | ** Deek finds kormoc's real name and thus why he is referred to as "Rob Smith" online :) ** | |
| [20:00:20] | tjcarter: | tell myth lots of "yup, that's a hard drive" and it just consomes all your space with mindless entertainment =D |
| [20:00:56] | ** tjcarter mindlessly entertains himself now ** | |
| [20:01:38] | Deek: | heh, my myth box just spent the last two days transcoding almost all of my recordings. |
| [20:01:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | Any of you guys have an opinion on this motherboard: DFI Lanparty UT NF590 ... http://www.smksuperstore.com/16122/Product/DF . . . herboard.htm |
| [20:02:06] | tjcarter: | transcoding to what? |
| [20:02:06] | Deek: | (I left the Good Eats and the HD stuff alone) |
| [20:02:18] | Deek: | nuv |
| [20:02:23] | tjcarter: | I do my transcoding losslessly |
| [20:02:39] | tjcarter: | unless I'm archiving, in which case I will h.264 it |
| [20:02:48] | tjcarter: | but usually not in Myth |
| [20:02:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | Seems like it would be a great board for my next backend build... |
| [20:03:15] | tjcarter: | myth2ipod would have been great if I could easily tweak the settings to not be for iPod |
| [20:03:36] | tjcarter: | but it's not, so I do my own thing using mencoder |
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| [20:04:14] | tjcarter: | the plan is to eventually use the Hauppauge USB thingy and never do a lossy transcode again =) |
| [20:04:15] | Deek: | tjcarter: This was just so I could carry more than the 350 recordings I had. |
| [20:04:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | Deek: You could have bought more disk too! ;-) (That's what I do...) |
| [20:04:53] | tjcarter: | lol |
| [20:04:58] | tjcarter: | that's the usual way of it |
| [20:05:11] | Deek: | Only got 500GB right now, and I intentionally record with a way-too-high bitrate |
| [20:05:46] | ** tjcarter has < 500 GB ** | |
| [20:06:00] | tjcarter: | I'll pop a 750 in it or something before I start doing the HD thing |
| [20:06:10] | Deek: | I used to run with an 80GB array. |
| [20:07:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | tjcarter: Wow... I thought I was on the low end with a 960GB raid5, 320GB disk for videos, and 200GB for Music... And another 760GB on tap (from my old server), and 4 more 500GB drives ready to go in... ;-) |
| [20:07:06] | tjcarter: | what'd be nifty is a slightly less automated transcoder with some knobs |
| [20:07:15] | tjcarter: | like black bar detection and removal |
| [20:07:22] | fryfrog: | Deek: nice, an 80G array :) |
| [20:07:49] | ** tjcarter has a pair of 160s LVM'd from centuries past ** | |
| [20:07:50] | Deek: | fryfrog: built when that was slightly impressive :) |
| [20:08:05] | fryfrog: | I can't wait until 1TB drives are in the ~$100 range |
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| [20:08:22] | fryfrog: | I could replace my 8x 320G with like... 3 1TB drives :p |
| [20:08:46] | tjcarter: | I keep thinking a drobo would be nice |
| [20:08:55] | fryfrog: | i dunno, they seem so expensive |
| [20:09:04] | Deek: | I built the array because of a HD crash that took out about a third of a novel. |
| [20:09:07] | tjcarter: | I didn't say I could afford it |
| [20:09:09] | tjcarter: | I said it'd be nice |
| [20:09:11] | hadees: | fryfrog, i'm trying to get 8x750gigs to replace my 8x350gig |
| [20:09:13] | fryfrog: | and to get NAS, you need *another* expensive add on product |
| [20:09:14] | hadees: | but i need to save up |
| [20:09:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | tjcarter: yeah, but it's only USB2, and it doesn't work with Linux AFAIK |
| [20:09:20] | tjcarter: | it LOOKS like Linux lvm to me though |
| [20:09:27] | tjcarter: | yeah |
| [20:09:35] | fryfrog: | hadees: 750s are what, like $150ish now? close to the best $/GB I think |
| [20:09:37] | tjcarter: | but my workstations are all Macs ;) |
| [20:09:54] | hadees: | fryfrog, yeah thats why i'm going with them |
| [20:09:57] | fryfrog: | I got my parents a ummm |
| [20:10:07] | fryfrog: | damn, now i forget the name of it |
| [20:10:10] | hadees: | with a 3ware hardware raid5 card |
| [20:10:10] | fryfrog: | Titus? |
| [20:10:14] | hadees: | lucky i already own the card |
| [20:10:17] | Deek: | I would look at Macs, except I can't get over OS X's supreme inferiority. |
| [20:10:18] | hadees: | that thing is expensive |
| [20:10:22] | fryfrog: | hadees: ah, how many ports? 8? |
| [20:10:27] | hadees: | 12 |
| [20:10:29] | hadees: | and 8 |
| [20:10:30] | hadees: | i have two |
| [20:10:31] | tjcarter: | the other thing I'm considering is trying to find a big ol' external drive case from the SCSI-2 daze |
| [20:10:37] | fryfrog: | holey crap :) |
| [20:10:48] | hadees: | fryfrog, the 8 one i got at a steal off ebay |
| [20:10:54] | fryfrog: | how fast is the read/write on you 8x array with hardware raid5? |
| [20:11:04] | tjcarter: | pop in a decent bridge board and you have a nice external enclosuer that actually does keep drives cool |
| [20:11:10] | hadees: | fryfrog, i've never benchmarked it but its pretty good |
| [20:11:19] | tjcarter: | my "masscool" FW encloser is more like a masshot ;) |
| [20:11:28] | tjcarter: | enclosure too |
| [20:11:30] | fryfrog: | i've not done any *real* bench, but i've used dd to write a couple 2G (and read) files |
| [20:11:36] | Deek: | (the UI is inferior to Mac OS pre-X, and the tech is inferior to basically everything BUT Mac OS pre-X. :) |
| [20:11:40] | fryfrog: | I think I get ~80mb/sec write on my soft-raid5 |
| [20:11:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: I've been looking for a hardware raid5 card that's not $800... how much was the 3ware 8-port one? (sata or SAS I assume?) |
| [20:12:07] | hadees: | J-e-f-f-A, i'm not sure i got it really cheap with a battery back up off ebay |
| [20:12:12] | fryfrog: | i dunno, for personal use, i think i like linux kernel raid more |
| [20:12:23] | fryfrog: | hadees: does your 3ware card let you live grow the raid5? |
| [20:12:28] | fryfrog: | ie, add more disks live? |
| [20:12:43] | ajh: | so, there the an nvidia 7xxx driver out there that actually works with XvMC with 0.21? |
| [20:12:44] | tjcarter: | Deek: The UI has gotten more consistent in the right direction, and coming from NeXTish Linux desktops, it feels comfortable |
| [20:13:11] | hadees: | fryfrog, i'm not sure, i never tried |
| [20:13:13] | ajh: | here the one I have cuts cpu use a bit, but loses all track of x expose events, etc |
| [20:13:34] | Deek: | tjcarter: remember, I actually use(d) NeXT; OS X is painful. |
| [20:13:36] | fryfrog: | I started with 5x 320G, used kernel raid to grow it to 6 (then xfs grow). Then I added 2 more to make 8, also more xfs grow |
| [20:13:41] | fryfrog: | I couldn't believe how easy it was |
| [20:14:12] | tjcarter: | Deek: just get yourself a real mouse and Leopard behaves the way NeXT did nowadays. |
| [20:14:27] | natoka: | fryfrog: softraid5 has got it back draws like the write whole ... |
| [20:14:31] | tjcarter: | Hell they even got Finder almost right. |
| [20:14:48] | fryfrog: | took like 24 hours to "rebuild" of course, and there is a few second "oh shit" phase where the backup of the stuff should goto another drive |
| [20:14:59] | tjcarter: | nobody goes around customizing nibs |
| [20:15:05] | fryfrog: | natoka: what do you mean "draws like the write whole ..."? |
| [20:15:05] | tjcarter: | it's generally not encouraged |
| [20:15:09] | tjcarter: | but it does work ;) |
| [20:15:17] | Deek: | tjcarter: Plus they REALLY fucked up the API. |
| [20:15:38] | natoka: | fryfrog: well software raid does not have any journal where it keeps track of the write ops |
| [20:15:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: Are either of your 3ware cards PCIe? |
| [20:16:00] | tjcarter: | Deek: they did have the sense to remove RTF source code as an option at least |
| [20:16:00] | Deek: | tjcarter: The idiotic screwing around with the language and the kits is unforgivable. |
| [20:16:05] | fryfrog: | natoka: that is what a filesystem does |
| [20:16:19] | natoka: | fryfrog: so if the raid dies right in a write op, then the raid is in an inconsistent state |
| [20:16:20] | fryfrog: | natoka: or do you mean that soft raid doesn't have a ram cache for writes? |
| [20:16:28] | fryfrog: | natoka: true and not true |
| [20:16:36] | natoka: | fryfrog: nope its true |
| [20:16:49] | fryfrog: | natoka: soft raid doesn't let that happen, it is like writing to any other disk |
| [20:16:54] | natoka: | fryfrog: raid5 always has this draw back |
| [20:17:02] | ajh: | is there a text ui for mythtv-setup by any chance? |
| [20:17:03] | fryfrog: | natoka: the file system handles that kind of crap |
| [20:17:07] | tjcarter: | Deek: I've all but stopped writing code. I just don't enjoy it much anymore. |
| [20:17:24] | tjcarter: | So I don't care what the do as long as it works |
| [20:17:30] | fryfrog: | natoka: but a hardware raid5 card can cache writes in ram, and recover afterwards because it has (hopefully) battery backup. |
| [20:17:50] | fryfrog: | so soft raid5 writes *should* be much slower than hard raid5 with write caching and battery backup |
| [20:18:05] | natoka: | fryfrog: that's the point why you should use hardware for raid5 |
| [20:18:19] | natoka: | fryfrog: and a cache battery ;) |
| [20:18:20] | fryfrog: | oh yeah, no question hardware raid5 is better than soft |
| [20:18:41] | fryfrog: | but for personal use, where write speed of soft raid5 is "good enough" then why waste $300+? |
| [20:18:52] | natoka: | fryfrog: or a raid system that can handle even that case, by utilizing a journal |
| [20:19:12] | fryfrog: | natoka: it'd have to keep the journal *somewhere* |
| [20:19:15] | fryfrog: | ie, on a disk |
| [20:19:22] | fryfrog: | which means... gee, it is slow again :p |
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| [20:19:43] | natoka: | fryfrog: for example zfs from sun can do that ;) |
| [20:19:54] | fryfrog: | zfs is a file system, isn't it? |
| [20:19:56] | tjcarter: | journal to SSD ;) |
| [20:20:10] | tjcarter: | of course those generally don't have tremendously fast writes either |
| [20:20:16] | fryfrog: | though, i guess it is more of a top down replacement for FS, partitions, etc |
| [20:20:17] | natoka: | fryfrog: unfortunately it's only useable on a sun OS |
| [20:20:26] | Deek: | I would much rather use kernel raid than hardware. |
| [20:20:31] | natoka: | fryfrog: it's more than a simple filesystem |
| [20:20:31] | Deek: | No question. |
| [20:20:45] | fryfrog: | the other big benefit of kernel soft raid in linux is extreme portablility |
| [20:20:54] | natoka: | fryfrog: it actually combines raid levels with the file system |
| [20:21:00] | fryfrog: | i can plug those 8 drives into *anything* and get my data |
| [20:21:18] | fryfrog: | natoka: yeah, i guess zfs is more of a top down replacement for many stages of storage :) |
| [20:21:29] | Mr_Grieves: | I'm having an odd problem with nuvexport. I have ffmpeg compiled with xvid support, yet the format is still disabled in nuvexport. Is there another cause for this problem (BTW, I'm on gentoo using the portage ffmpeg with the "xvid" USE flag set if it matters) |
| [20:21:32] | hadees: | J-e-f-f-A, no pci |
| [20:21:35] | Deek: | anything that has 8 ports, anyway :) |
| [20:21:36] | tjcarter: | zfs will never be big in Linux |
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| [20:21:53] | fryfrog: | if they brought it over, i think it would be huge |
| [20:22:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: is it ATA-133, or Sata? |
| [20:22:10] | fryfrog: | zfs has so many awesome features, i can't imagine the band wagon wouldn't be hopped upon |
| [20:22:18] | natoka: | fryfrog: well you can already use zfs on linux via fuse |
| [20:22:24] | fryfrog: | oh? |
| [20:22:25] | fryfrog: | neat |
| [20:22:35] | tjcarter: | fryfrog: zfs is already hailed as the best thing since sliced bread in Sunland, BSDland, and Macland |
| [20:22:54] | fryfrog: | so then why wouldn't it be the same in linux? |
| [20:22:57] | natoka: | fryfrog: but the performance is aeh really bad ... |
| [20:23:15] | tjcarter: | fryfrog: if Sun brings it to Linux under a kernel-happy license, there's potential for the first universal filesystem across unix systems =) |
| [20:23:24] | fryfrog: | ah, so i guess they need a native |
| [20:23:28] | fryfrog: | ohhh, license |
| [20:23:36] | fryfrog: | does their license suck for being in kernel? |
| [20:23:37] | Deek: | tjcarter: because the Linux folks don't care about Sunland, BSDland, and Macland. :) |
| [20:23:38] | tjcarter: | you can't shove zfs in the kernel |
| [20:23:39] | natoka: | yeah, the license is the problem |
| [20:23:45] | fryfrog: | ahhhh |
| [20:23:48] | fryfrog: | damn you sun! |
| [20:24:04] | tjcarter: | Sun's fixed the licenses for Linux to get stuff before |
| [20:24:06] | natoka: | though you can use it on opensun |
| [20:24:08] | Deek: | tjcarter: second, not first. |
| [20:24:21] | Deek: | UFS |
| [20:24:55] | tjcarter: | Deek: I can't get UFS to work on multiple systems =) |
| [20:24:58] | hadees: | J-e-f-f-A, SATA |
| [20:25:05] | ** J-e-f-f-A uses a combination of software raid5 and JFS atm... ** | |
| [20:25:15] | Deek: | tjcarter: they will all read original Unix. |
| [20:25:19] | tjcarter: | everybody's got their own incompatible UFS |
| [20:25:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: What's the model number, so I can search for them... |
| [20:25:28] | Deek: | (and write it, for that matter) |
| [20:26:02] | hadees: | J-e-f-f-A, 3ware 9xxx-series SATA-RAID |
| [20:26:04] | Deek: | tjcarter: actually, only NeXT really fucked up their UFS. |
| [20:26:10] | hadees: | i don't remember the exact model numbers |
| [20:26:29] | tjcarter: | Deek: BSD uses a UFS that's totally incompatible (totally better, but totally incompatible) |
| [20:26:56] | tjcarter: | Sun's works, sortof. |
| [20:27:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: Humm.. no hits on fleabay now... You must have bought the only one! ;-) |
| [20:27:02] | Deek: | works with... |
| [20:27:05] | tjcarter: | IRIX and AIX don't matter |
| [20:27:30] | tjcarter: | HPUX barely matters |
| [20:27:59] | Deek: | tjcarter: If you have a real UFS disk, you can stick it in any machine that does "UFS" and it will work. |
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| [20:28:18] | Deek: | NeXT, BSD, AIX, anything. |
| [20:28:30] | tjcarter: | The OSes that actually count anymore are Windows, Linux, MacOS X, BSD, and Solaris.. Not necessarily in that order. |
| [20:28:55] | Deek: | Solaris counts? Since when? |
| [20:28:56] | hadees: | J-e-f-f-A, this was a while ago |
| [20:29:12] | tjcarter: | Of these, all but Windows and Linux have zfs coming to them, and Linux will have it very fast if Sun decides to be nice about the licensing. |
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| [20:29:54] | tjcarter: | That leaves Windows with ntfs and everyone else with zfs. |
| [20:29:55] | Deek: | (and frankly, OS X only counts to Apple victims) |
| [20:30:00] | AndyCap: | on a related note, linux gets btrfs |
| [20:30:19] | tjcarter: | Deek: Spoken like an Apple-hater. |
| [20:30:35] | Deek: | tjcarter: AKA "former Apple customer" |
| [20:30:41] | tjcarter: | You can stick your head in the sand, but the fact is that Macs are outselling Dells at this point |
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| [20:30:53] | Deek: | tjcarter: Macs have ALWAYS outsold Dell. |
| [20:31:05] | Deek: | This is not a new phenomenon. |
| [20:31:17] | rmariani: | deek lol no they didn't |
| [20:31:37] | Deek: | rmariani: Except for a couple of years in the 1990s, yes...they have. |
| [20:31:43] | tjcarter: | OS X marketshare is climbing, climbing, climbing. Windows marketshare is falling, falling, falling. Vista is an unmitigated disaster. |
| [20:32:26] | Deek: | tjcarter: Apple customers *are* victims. |
| [20:32:28] | tjcarter: | most of the world wants to stick with XP or move to something less .. well, whatever it is Microsoft is trying to sell. |
| [20:32:44] | rmariani: | anybody here use voip telephone |
| [20:32:48] | Deek: | Even more so than Microsoft customers. |
| [20:33:24] | Deek: | Microsoft will blindly step on you without noticing, but Apple goes after you. |
| [20:33:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: Hey, one more question – is it a PCI-X card (64-bit), or a regular PCI card (32-bit)... Seems like a PCI-X card will work in a 32-bit slot, but slower obviously... (and presuming motherboard component clearence on the extra connector space) |
| [20:33:47] | tjcarter: | yeah yeah, and Steve Jobs' cancer is back, he'll be dead in a week, Apple will die off, and our computers will melt down into toxic slag the next day. |
| [20:33:56] | Deek: | tjcarter: eh? |
| [20:34:12] | hadees: | J-e-f-f-A, it might be a pci-x to be honest i built this computer 2 years ago |
| [20:34:12] | tjcarter: | same song with new words every few months for 11 years |
| [20:34:24] | hadees: | its been running 100% since |
| [20:34:26] | Deek: | tjcarter: No, they're doing extremely well. |
| [20:34:27] | tjcarter: | how Apple's on death's door and customers are screwed |
| [20:34:36] | Deek: | tjcarter: The customers are still screwed. |
| [20:34:39] | hadees: | the card also has fail over so you can have extra drives for auto restore |
| [20:34:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: Well, PCIX is like twice as long as a standard PCI slot... ;-) |
| [20:34:45] | tjcarter: | the customers are ALWAYS screwed. |
| [20:34:51] | tjcarter: | it's what businesses do |
| [20:35:06] | Deek: | tjcarter: Not so much. |
| [20:35:11] | tjcarter: | I don't care if they're Microsoft, Sun, Apple, RedHat, Google... |
| [20:35:14] | hadees: | J-e-f-f-A, i know but i haven't had to open the computer for 2 years |
| [20:35:40] | hadees: | probably should soon to clean it |
| [20:35:42] | tjcarter: | You, the customer, are screwed to Enhance Shareholder Value |
| [20:35:49] | Deek: | nonsense. |
| [20:36:20] | Deek: | Enhancing shareholder value != screwing the customer. |
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| [20:36:37] | Deek: | Normally, that makes them no longer customers. |
| [20:36:38] | AndyCap: | fine line. |
| [20:36:47] | rmariani: | http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/apple_vs_dell.jpg |
| [20:36:53] | tjcarter: | Explain that to cellular companies |
| [20:37:20] | tjcarter: | billion dollar industry that exists to assrape its client base |
| [20:37:30] | Deek: | It gets distorted by monopolists like Microsoft, Apple, and telcos. |
| [20:37:41] | AndyCap: | wouldn't hurt if people were less tolerant of surprise buttsecks from providers. |
| [20:38:07] | Deek: | tjcarter: telco = fraud, that's how it goes. |
| [20:38:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: Thanks for answering btw... ;-) |
| [20:38:38] | Deek: | rmariani: heh |
| [20:38:42] | tjcarter: | rmariani: that's pretty much how it goes |
| [20:39:01] | tjcarter: | though it's not often the webcam breaks |
| [20:39:13] | tjcarter: | is usually more like the HD or the screen or something |
| [20:39:34] | Deek: | The stuff that breaks on Apples is the expensive stuff. |
| [20:39:43] | rmariani: | i never understood why apple don't use eject button for optical drive like pc |
| [20:39:51] | rmariani: | that is stupid |
| [20:39:56] | Deek: | rmariani: That would ruin the "experience". |
| [20:40:00] | tjcarter: | these things tend to leave the average home user without a machine.. The average not-home user will tend to buy the Mac that looks like the Dell ;) |
| [20:40:16] | rmariani: | and i never understood why pc don't do keyboard with usb mouse port like MAC |
| [20:40:20] | AndyCap: | rmariani: been that way since the floppy |
| [20:40:41] | tjcarter: | floppy didn't have eject because you wanted to cache data on the floppy |
| [20:40:48] | rmariani: | they both should put away their egos and use the best method |
| [20:41:01] | AndyCap: | rmariani: and you can get pc keyboards with usb-hubs, just not the cheapest ones that vendors like to bundle |
| [20:41:11] | tjcarter: | CD doesn't have eject basically because people got used to telling the OS to do the ejecting |
| [20:41:11] | AndyCap: | my ibm netvista had one. |
| [20:41:35] | Deek: | tjcarter: Nope, data was not cached to floppy. |
| [20:41:39] | AndyCap: | or having to perform surgery if it bombed. |
| [20:42:00] | rmariani: | tjcarter what if you want to do eject while OS is not loaded |
| [20:42:04] | AndyCap: | Deek: no you cache floppy data in meomory. change it and write it back later |
| [20:42:15] | tjcarter: | rmariani: hold down mouse button when you boot |
| [20:42:37] | tjcarter: | not terribly intuitive, mind you, but that's an old solution |
| [20:42:39] | Deek: | tjcarter: The machine, OS, and drive could detect ejection and cope. |
| [20:42:54] | tjcarter: | I think the optical eject button SHOULD be present |
| [20:42:55] | rmariani: | having keyboard with mouse port is good idea by apple |
| [20:43:02] | tjcarter: | it's not a manual eject like on floppy |
| [20:43:15] | Deek: | Anduin: There wasn't enough memory to cache. |
| [20:43:19] | tjcarter: | it's an eject request button |
| [20:43:36] | Deek: | dammit! |
| [20:43:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: I think I'll probably just upgrade to a new mb with lots of sata ports... like the one I mentioned a while ago... (the LanParty board) |
| [20:43:40] | Deek: | AndyCap: ^^ |
| [20:44:14] | hadees: | J-e-f-f-A, with hard ware raid? |
| [20:44:25] | tjcarter: | the thing I'd really like to see is a case designed not to have cables dangling all over the place inside it to screw with cooling |
| [20:44:37] | tjcarter: | I mean, SATA could be run flat inside the case |
| [20:44:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: Well, it's said to have a hardward nvidia, but I doubt it does raid5 in hardware... |
| [20:44:50] | Deek: | J-e-f-f-A: it doesn't. |
| [20:44:53] | hadees: | yeah i really prefer hardware raid5 |
| [20:44:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | Any of you guys have an opinion on this motherboard: DFI Lanparty UT NF590 ... http://www.smksuperstore.com/16122/Product/DF . . . herboard.htm |
| [20:44:55] | tjcarter: | PSUs could be designed differently as well |
| [20:45:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: I've been investigating the 'new' Raid6... ;-) |
| [20:45:15] | Deek: | I think hardware raid5 is really, really fragile. |
| [20:45:20] | tjcarter: | front panel can be a ribbon cable (and that could run flat along the case as well) |
| [20:45:35] | hadees: | Deek, why? |
| [20:45:44] | Deek: | hadees: fragility |
| [20:45:57] | hadees: | lol, what does that mean |
| [20:46:17] | Deek: | More importantly, WHEN it breaks (they always do eventually) you are totally screwed. |
| [20:46:37] | hadees: | Deek, i have two cards |
| [20:46:37] | AndyCap: | it means Deek didn't figure out raid 5 is crap beforehand and lost data. |
| [20:46:50] | hadees: | you just need to get another card |
| [20:47:01] | Deek: | another card doesn't solve the problem. |
| [20:47:05] | Deek: | you'll find out. |
| [20:47:24] | tjcarter: | RAEIC doesn't have the same sound to it as RAID |
| [20:47:47] | Deek: | EIC? |
| [20:47:55] | tjcarter: | Expensive Interface Cards |
| [20:48:01] | Deek: | heh |
| [20:50:42] | Deek: | AFAICT, the ideal RAID system is software-based with a battery-backed cache card (which is often cheaper than a hardware RAID card). |
| [20:50:59] | hadees: | Deek, since i don't think 3ware is getting out of the raid busy any time soon i am not too worried |
| [20:51:12] | Deek: | hadees: doesn't matter |
| [20:51:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | How about this monster motherboard: Asus L1N64-SLI WS – Dual Opteron, 12 sata ports... and about a $400 street price... http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2 . . . ;modelmenu=1 |
| [20:51:47] | Deek: | hadees: your array will fail (they all do, software OR hardware), and you should prepare for it. |
| [20:52:11] | hadees: | Deek, you mean the card will fail |
| [20:52:21] | hadees: | and when it does i can get a new one from 3ware that will restore it |
| [20:52:24] | natoka: | not only cards can fail |
| [20:52:25] | Deek: | hadees: If I had meant that, I would have said that. |
| [20:52:28] | natoka: | disks can fail too |
| [20:52:35] | Deek: | The ARRAY will fail. |
| [20:52:38] | hadees: | natoka, disks have failed |
| [20:52:39] | natoka: | and when one disk fails |
| [20:52:39] | Deek: | They all do. |
| [20:52:40] | hadees: | it fixes it |
| [20:52:47] | hadees: | thats the point of raid5 |
| [20:52:58] | natoka: | and then probably the firmware goes haywire and then that's it |
| [20:53:08] | hadees: | nope a disk failed |
| [20:53:10] | hadees: | it fixed it |
| [20:53:13] | hadees: | no big problem |
| [20:53:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | (presumably you put a new disk in it's place...) |
| [20:53:25] | natoka: | normally not |
| [20:53:40] | hadees: | J-e-f-f-A, i had an extra in there for auto restore |
| [20:53:41] | natoka: | the only problem is when the firmware is not perfect |
| [20:53:47] | Deek: | hadees: No, the point of raid5 is that the array fails less often. It will still fail. |
| [20:53:49] | AndyCap: | hadees: that's the theory. to recover a raid 5 you then have to read all the data from all the drives and hope none of them fails. |
| [20:54:16] | hadees: | AndyCap, of the remaining drives |
| [20:54:34] | hadees: | if all the disks fail at once it won't matter if i use hardware or software raid |
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| [20:54:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | So what do the rest of you guys run, software raid5, or no riad (LVM or JBOD?) |
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| [20:55:11] | GreyFoxx: | software raid5 on 3 seperate raid arrays in 2 machines |
| [20:55:14] | AndyCap: | software raid 10. |
| [20:55:25] | hads: | Individual disks for the myth backend. Software RAID5 on production servers. |
| [20:55:50] | fryfrog: | software raid5, software raid1 for system drives |
| [20:55:53] | Deek: | I run a raid5 (kernel) right now, plus individual disks for myth |
| [20:56:03] | fryfrog: | my parents have a Thecus N2100 raid1 |
| [20:56:09] | fryfrog: | i backup my important stuff to that, remotly |
| [20:56:33] | fryfrog: | I need to start backing up elsewhere too, maybe one of those online backup services |
| [20:56:37] | Deek: | hadees: RAID is no substitute for backing up your important stuff, because all arrays fail. |
| [20:56:57] | fryfrog: | yeah, raid5 is "safer" but you should always have backups and if possible, backups of backups :) |
| [20:57:08] | hads: | RAID has nothing to do with backup. RAID just makes a more reliable disk. |
| [20:57:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | fryfrog: I cringe at the thought of backing up to an 'online' site... How secure are they really???? |
| [20:57:12] | Deek: | Doing it in software just allows you more possibility of recovery. |
| [20:57:26] | fryfrog: | J-e-f-f-A: i dunno, but i don't have a tape drive :/ |
| [20:57:29] | hadees: | Deek, how did you go to that then telling me why i should use software instead of hardware |
| [20:57:37] | fryfrog: | Though I could burn all my important docs to DVD |
| [20:57:44] | hadees: | i know it can all fail but software raid won't help that |
| [20:57:45] | fryfrog: | it'd just be nice to be able to backup my mp3s too :) |
| [20:58:12] | fryfrog: | hadees: software raid should be easier to recover, if you ended up having to do that |
| [20:58:14] | Deek: | hadees: Because when my arrays fail, I can fix it more easily than you can. :) |
| [20:58:26] | hadees: | thats only if the card failed |
| [20:58:27] | fryfrog: | in that the source is available, it works accross many systems, etc |
| [20:58:36] | hadees: | and like i said i'm fine with having to buy another card |
| [20:58:40] | Hoxzer: | ./configure: line 2749: enaled: command not found <- getting this with mythtv-0.21 from svn (latest just downloaded). It think it should be enabled |
| [20:58:53] | Deek: | hadees: Your card, when it dies, can corrupt your disks. |
| [20:59:03] | fryfrog: | yes, but so could soft raid |
| [20:59:14] | Deek: | fryfrog: yep. |
| [20:59:20] | fryfrog: | heck, if one of your disks starts corrupting data but doesn't "fail" in either case, you can lose data |
| [20:59:26] | fryfrog: | backups! |
| [20:59:35] | fryfrog: | i need to get rsnapshot working again on my server :( |
| [20:59:41] | fryfrog: | what do you backup to? dvd? |
| [21:00:14] | hadees: | and if my house burns down my raid array also fails |
| [21:00:36] | Deek: | hadees: this is not a remote possibility here :) |
| [21:00:39] | fryfrog: | now you are thinking! |
| [21:00:47] | fryfrog: | time for asbestos computer cases! |
| [21:01:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | fryfrog: I don't backup my videos... I don't have a 1TB tape drive handy... :-( I just backup my DB and stuff I need to recover the OS and my MythTV database in the event of a crash.... |
| [21:01:35] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [21:01:40] | hadees: | i should backup my mythtv database |
| [21:01:44] | fryfrog: | what do you back up to? dvd? |
| [21:01:58] | hadees: | considering i have a file server, i just haven't gotten around to it yet |
| [21:02:04] | fryfrog: | all that really matters in the mythdb to *me* is the previously recorded shows :/ |
| [21:02:14] | Deek: | I back up the important stuff (none of which has anything to do with myth) |
| [21:02:18] | fryfrog: | hehe |
| [21:02:38] | fryfrog: | i usually toss off a backup of the mythdb when i upgrade |
| [21:02:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | I actually just back it up to a couple of different external Hdd's ... one is NAS, one is USB. |
| [21:02:42] | hadees: | i mean my file server is mainly a media server so i don't have to use dvds etc |
| [21:03:02] | hadees: | i'd be pissed if i lost it but not like i couldn't get it all again |
| [21:03:23] | fryfrog: | I ordered a transparent DS Lite replacement case, i can't wait :) |
| [21:03:38] | Deek: | I back up my source code, models, writing. That's all the important stuff. |
| [21:03:38] | fryfrog: | well, "smoke" sort of transparent |
| [21:03:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | I had my OS hdd fail a few years ago, and my DB was on it. I recovered all my recordings as 'videos' because I had a script running 'mythrename.pl' to generate 'human' names for everthing for use with a non-upnp media player... ;-) |
| [21:04:14] | hadees: | i need to find a company that will back up my 2 terabytes of stuff for pennies |
| [21:04:27] | fryfrog: | J-e-f-f-A: raid1 for os drives! |
| [21:04:32] | hadees: | of coarse with my upload speed it would take years to get it there |
| [21:05:14] | fryfrog: | haha |
| [21:05:24] | fryfrog: | hey, anything is better than nothing! |
| [21:05:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | fryfrog: yeah, That's what I'm going to setup asap... I was putting too much confidence in a 10krpm SCSI 18GB disk... ;-) Screaming fast, but it did fail... :-( (2 servers ago...) |
| [21:05:41] | fryfrog: | i was prepared to try (and maybe pay) for "Mozie" but it won't backup network shares |
| [21:05:46] | fryfrog: | which is where *all* my data is :/ |
| [21:06:18] | hadees: | whats Mozie? |
| [21:06:26] | fryfrog: | some online backup service |
| [21:06:31] | fryfrog: | i think that is what it is called |
| [21:06:38] | Deek: | fryfrog: For OS disks, I'd use a straight mirroring target without actual raid. |
| [21:06:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | fryfrog: I was thinking about one of those $99 hardware raid1 units that goes in a floppy drive bay — with status leds and an alarm if there is an issue, and no drivers, etc, no system impact to rebuild a failed drive, etc... |
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| [21:06:48] | fryfrog: | they give you like a few hundred megs free, unlimited for some other amount |
| [21:07:07] | fryfrog: | Deek: as in, dd every night or so? |
| [21:07:16] | fryfrog: | i mean, that is nearly what soft raid1 is |
| [21:07:20] | hadees: | i bet when they say unlimited there is really a limit |
| [21:07:22] | fryfrog: | just live, constant |
| [21:07:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | fryfrog: Well, I can't say "no" impact... it does cause a little bit of a performance hit when it's re-building the mirror.... |
| [21:07:25] | hadees: | just try and backup terabytes |
| [21:07:54] | fryfrog: | hadees: mozy is the name |
| [21:08:35] | fryfrog: | free gives you 2G |
| [21:08:42] | fryfrog: | $5/mo gets you unlimited |
| [21:09:29] | hadees: | you ever see that backup solution where you store your files encrypted on someone else's drive? |
| [21:09:40] | fryfrog: | oh, the like... p2p backups? |
| [21:09:43] | hadees: | yeah |
| [21:09:48] | fryfrog: | i think i read about it somewhere, neat-ish idea |
| [21:09:51] | hadees: | i can't remember the name of it |
| [21:10:02] | fryfrog: | me either, but it sounds sort of scary |
| [21:10:09] | hadees: | thats what i thought |
| [21:10:14] | Deek: | fryfrog: well, as in devicemapper |
| [21:10:16] | fryfrog: | i mean, unless you were maybe only backing up movies/mp3s/etc |
| [21:10:40] | fryfrog: | Deek: humm, i'm not familiar with that |
| [21:11:19] | hadees: | i use dm for encryption |
| [21:11:29] | Deek: | fryfrog: rather than using the md system, the kernel device mapper has a mirror target |
| [21:11:53] | Deek: | (just like the crypt target, 'cept different :) ) |
| [21:11:56] | fryfrog: | what is the benefit of that over raid1? |
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| [21:14:15] | hadees: | hmm i might actually do software raid so i can get raid 6 |
| [21:14:24] | fryfrog: | mmm, raid 6 :) |
| [21:14:34] | fryfrog: | you could raid5 + hotspare on hardware |
| [21:14:35] | sid3windr: | why do you need software raid for raid 6 ? :) |
| [21:14:38] | fryfrog: | *almost* as good |
| [21:14:48] | hadees: | fryfrog, i have that |
| [21:14:54] | sid3windr: | nowhere near as good! :/ |
| [21:14:55] | fryfrog: | sid3windr: probably because only newer, expensive cards have raid6? |
| [21:15:05] | hadees: | sid3windr, because i don't own a hardware raid 6 card |
| [21:15:11] | fryfrog: | hadees: ah, my "hot spare" is waiting for the RMA to come in :) |
| [21:15:17] | AndyCap: | p2p backup wil proably be rediscovered from time to time http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?design.4.602368.12 |
| [21:15:29] | sid3windr: | ah, well, then I'd go with r5+hs on hw raid |
| [21:15:34] | sid3windr: | if your controller is good, that is |
| [21:15:46] | ajh: | anyone else having the front-end segfault if you page up to the top of a catagory in the programme finder? |
| [21:15:50] | hadees: | sid3windr, sssh Deek hates hardware raid5 |
| [21:15:51] | AndyCap: | remember some netware compatible products that would spread your data around on workstations |
| [21:16:35] | Deek: | AndyCap: yeah, like ddraid |
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| [21:17:37] | AndyCap: | would be more interested in automatic raid + fs reshaping |
| [21:18:16] | SoulBlade: | has anybody tried compiling mythtv? ive got ubuntu and im having all sorts of problems... first i had to install qt4, lame, ncurses... and now im getting an error on httprequest.cpp regarding QString and BufferedSocketDevice |
| [21:18:43] | hadees: | ncurses for mythtv? |
| [21:18:45] | SoulBlade: | id be happy to use .21 but it broke |
| [21:18:49] | SoulBlade: | lame needed it |
| [21:18:55] | SoulBlade: | tgetent tgetnum |
| [21:18:58] | SoulBlade: | something like that |
| [21:20:14] | natoka: | SoulBlade: sounds like you're compiling from svn head which is most likely not working, because it's in the progress of being ported to qt4 |
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| [21:20:52] | natoka: | SoulBlade: so you either fix it yourself, or just don't use it |
| [21:21:09] | ajh: | last night svn wouldn't scan dvb-s either, so expect more. |
| [21:21:26] | SoulBlade: | fair enough |
| [21:21:39] | conathan: | SoulBlade: I have compiled 0.21 from source |
| [21:21:46] | Deek: | if you want to run from svn, run 0.21-fixes |
| [21:21:58] | conathan: | SoulBlade: www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn, just stuck the qt3 and lame from there |
| [21:22:04] | conathan: | SoulBlade: then compiled 0.21 |
| [21:22:13] | natoka: | 0.21-fixes though should work |
| [21:22:26] | natoka: | and it will not need qt4 |
| [21:22:28] | ajh: | 0.21-fixes was what I had trouble scanning channels with. |
| [21:22:34] | natoka: | but qt3 |
| [21:23:02] | conathan: | BTW, I was trying to find out why my computer will freeze on playback, when /dev/rtc exists |
| [21:23:12] | natoka: | and about scanning channels – you can always use the native tools (w_scan, dvbscan, etc.) |
| [21:23:31] | conathan: | [http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Troubles . . . ideo_buffers |
| [21:23:32] | natoka: | at leas you will know then that your driver/device combination works ... |
| [21:23:46] | conathan: | (It looked like the bottom solution was the one that applied to me) |
| [21:23:57] | conathan: | but I wanted to figure out why exactly RTC was causing grief |
| [21:24:06] | ajh: | anyone know offhand where the php mem limit is set for mythweb:q! |
| [21:24:27] | SoulBlade: | will the compiler know to link qt3 instead of qt4 or will i have to specify something in the configure script |
| [21:24:30] | xris: | it's right there in the included apache conf file |
| [21:24:36] | xris: | ajh: or just set it in php.ini |
| [21:25:04] | ajh: | I did that before but it didn't work, I'll look for the other setting thanks. |
| [21:25:13] | conathan: | SoulBlade: I'm not sure how the QT3/4 libraries differ... |
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| [21:27:19] | natoka: | ajh: depends on your distro, but normally it'll be found somewhere at /etc/php/apache/php.ini |
| [21:27:47] | ajh: | natoka, yeah I know that one, but mythweb was running into another limit, seems to be in the included one. |
| [21:28:49] | Mr_Grieves: | It looks like the svn nuvexport fixed it |
| [21:28:49] | natoka: | ajh: the limit set in the config is 32M |
| [21:29:02] | natoka: | ajh: it shouldn |
| [21:29:03] | ajh: | yeah, I found the one that's taking effect. |
| [21:29:11] | ajh: | I'll re-try things now. |
| [21:29:15] | natoka: | 't be hit, except by a bug ... |
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| [21:34:48] | CyberKnet: | Hmm... anyone know any particularly good sites dealing with a machine not getting to the grub menu to boot? |
| [21:35:02] | toorima: | iamlindoro: hi, I've used your metacleanup script for some time now and really like it, but the last few days I've used it I get Show: Sports Night (<a href='/mytvrage.php?page=my_layout'>Change Layout</a>) when I run it |
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| [21:36:13] | toorima: | CyberKnet: something like this http://supergrub.forjamari.linex.org/ ? |
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| [21:37:49] | CyberKnet: | toorima: Ooooh |
| [21:40:26] | CyberKnet: | toorima: That's a handy disk. Going to download/burn it now. |
| [21:40:38] | hadees: | J-e-f-f-A, btw i have the 9500S-12 |
| [21:41:00] | toorima: | CyberKnet: yeah I've used it a few times after messing up the mbr |
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| [21:41:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: cool, thanks for the info. ;-) |
| [21:41:45] | CyberKnet: | is fedora supposed to have a menu.lst |
| [21:41:46] | CyberKnet: | ? |
| [21:42:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | CyberKnet: I see one on my FC6 system... in /boot/grub |
| [21:42:48] | CyberKnet: | that might be my problem |
| [21:43:22] | CyberKnet: | I booted a f8 live cd and mounted my drive... I don't see a menu.lst file in the boot partition of my local hdd |
| [21:43:35] | directhex: | you may have a separate /boot part |
| [21:43:36] | CyberKnet: | I suppose supergrub can fix it for me though. |
| [21:43:38] | CyberKnet: | bbiaf |
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| [21:43:53] | toorima: | don't fedora call it grub.conf? |
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| [21:45:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: I can get one for the buy-it-now price of $599 + $9.99 shipping... Yikes... And it is PCI-X ... |
| [21:45:26] | CyberKnet: | toorima: Hmm... well I did have that file. |
| [21:46:29] | hadees: | J-e-f-f-A, sounds about right |
| [21:46:56] | hadees: | nice to know it has kept its value though |
| [21:47:02] | hadees: | if i do sell it on ebay |
| [21:47:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: Well, that's supposedly a brand-new one... There's other sellers with used ones for $695.98 – calling them "refurbished"... |
| [21:48:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: (funny that the used one is more than the NEW one...) |
| [21:49:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: The 8-port version can be had for $369 + $15 shipping, without battery... Still higher than I want to pay... I think I'll stick with software raid... ;-) |
| [21:50:37] | hadees: | J-e-f-f-A, i got my 8 port one with the battery for like $300 |
| [21:50:47] | hadees: | but i still haven't used it yet |
| [21:50:51] | hadees: | had it for more then a year |
| [21:50:57] | hadees: | i really bought it for the battery |
| [21:51:15] | hadees: | but eventually the 8-port one will be used for mythtv |
| [21:51:21] | hadees: | in my mythbackend |
| [21:51:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: Ooh, then it's depreciated now... I'll give you $100 for it! ;-) (Just kidding, I know it's worth more!) |
| [21:52:33] | directhex: | J-e-f-f-A, megaraid cards? |
| [21:53:14] | hadees: | 3ware |
| [21:53:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | directhex: I had bought one of those, for $149 from micro center, but returned it un-opened... |
| [21:53:32] | hadees: | 9500S |
| [21:53:35] | purserj: | anyone running trunk? |
| [21:53:52] | hadees: | purserj, doubt it because of qt4 |
| [21:53:54] | directhex: | 9500s are pretty reasonable |
| [21:54:02] | purserj: | hadees: hrmm |
| [21:54:18] | purserj: | I'm seriously considering going back to releases and just working on that |
| [21:54:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | purserj: Not anymore... I went back to a release when 0.21 came out... ;-) |
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| [21:54:58] | hadees: | i don't know anyone who really knows mythtv well who is sticking with trunk right now for their main system |
| [21:55:15] | hadees: | even though they might use trunk normally |
| [21:55:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | purserj: Go 'back' to 0.21-fixes until the dust settles on trunk... |
| [21:55:53] | GreyFoxx: | hadees: with the QT4 instability I wouldn't expect most too |
| [21:55:55] | Mr_Grieves: | Oh, I upgraded ffmpeg and that fixed it....I'm a dumbass. |
| [21:55:56] | purserj: | sounds like a plan |
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| [21:56:03] | GreyFoxx: | I'm updated to the latest of it on my boxes right now :) |
| [21:56:25] | directhex: | how does upgrading ffmpeg help when myth uses its own local modified checkout? O_o |
| [21:58:07] | hadees: | anyone see this on the mailing list? http://chriscarey.com/projects/mythtv/iphone/ |
| [21:58:48] | hadees: | really cool, and in the thread this guy post about his web app someone else was talking about the iphone native app he is working on |
| [22:00:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | That's neat. I wonder if it only works over wifi, or if it also works over the internet/phone network... ;-) |
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| [22:01:41] | hadees: | J-e-f-f-A, i tried the demo over wifi |
| [22:01:55] | hadees: | not sure about it with out, i think i'll try that now |
| [22:02:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: I just bid on a 4-port card — currently at $56, but the reserve isn't met yet, so I'm sure it will go > 200... (I bid $100 and that didn't match the reserve) |
| [22:03:00] | hadees: | J-e-f-f-A, http://www.auctionsniper.com/ |
| [22:03:13] | hadees: | i always use this because i end up paying a lot less |
| [22:03:27] | hadees: | although after the first 3 they charge you |
| [22:03:51] | bobc: | I'm debating whether to put /var on its own partition for a new install. I've run into the problem before where out of control log files have filled up /var and prevented the system from booting when /var was on the same partition as /, which is a bit of a pain. Would having /var on its own partition at least allow the system to boot in a case like that? |
| [22:04:19] | hadees: | bobc, you could do that or fix your logging software |
| [22:04:28] | hadees: | it shouldn't be taking up that much room |
| [22:04:39] | hadees: | unless you are running a really small hd |
| [22:05:04] | cesman: | that is nice... however as a _web_app_ it should work on more that just the iphone, but those are _my_ thoughts |
| [22:05:24] | cesman: | it will crash firefox if you try |
| [22:05:37] | bobc: | I've had occasions when myth got out of control and started spewing thousands of lines a second to the log. it can create multi-gig log files before logrotate catches it |
| [22:06:16] | hadees: | cesman, well i would normally agree but i phone has its own sort of interface and i'm not sure all other phones could use the video file presented |
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| [22:06:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: I'm probably one of the guys you've lost to before... I often don't even put in a bid until the last minute... ;-) |
| [22:06:52] | bobc: | I'm also worried that if /var and my myth data were to be on the same partition and the log files got out of control, then autoexpire might kick in a delete a lot of my files before being caught. |
| [22:07:00] | ** conathan stuck my logfiles onto a tmpfs. useless if it crashes, but saves space on my EeePC ** | |
| [22:07:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: (at least not a 'real' bid... ;-) ) |
| [22:07:10] | hadees: | J-e-f-f-A, auctionsnipper puts it in in like the last 6 sec |
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| [22:07:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: me too. FiOS is a beautiful thing! ;-) |
| [22:08:25] | cesman: | hadees: the interface is nice and simple and should work on any mobile device. this i nice |
| [22:08:31] | cesman: | this issue is the video file... |
| [22:08:52] | cesman: | why not use something that can be used on multiple devices? |
| [22:08:58] | cesman: | but again, those are my thoughts... |
| [22:09:03] | hadees: | cesman, i don't know, i've developed for phones before and getting the interface right across the board is hard as hell |
| [22:09:32] | hadees: | well one thing i don't like about the web app is that it uses the iphone internal movie player |
| [22:09:52] | hadees: | so you don't access things like the commerical skipping list |
| [22:10:05] | bobc: | hadees: so do you have everything on one partition? |
| [22:10:21] | hadees: | bobc, normally yes except for /home |
| [22:10:42] | bobc: | hadees: /home is where you put your mythtv data? |
| [22:10:50] | justinh: | hadees: been there (put it on a site somewhere). screw that |
| [22:10:54] | hadees: | well i take that back on mythtv systems i also have a partion for mythtv data |
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| [22:11:17] | hadees: | justinh, well same with mythweb |
| [22:11:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | I've got the OS & myth Application on one partition, Recordings on a Raid5 (960GB currently), videos on a 320GB, and Music on a 200GB... |
| [22:11:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | bobc: ^^^ |
| [22:11:48] | bobc: | I usually have a parition just for the myth data, but I'm not sure I need any others, except swap of course |
| [22:11:57] | hadees: | J-e-f-f-A, where is your buffer? |
| [22:12:10] | justinh: | hadees: I meant re the theme. no more sticking my head over the wall to be shot at |
| [22:12:27] | hadees: | oh, lol |
| [22:12:33] | ** J-e-f-f-A checks... (I don't remember if I put it on the os disk or the raid5...) ** | |
| [22:13:04] | bobc: | hadees: what buffer? |
| [22:13:05] | hadees: | justinh, you don't have to support anything you don't want to, i just think it would be a shame if you made something and didn't share it |
| [22:13:12] | hadees: | bobc, live tv |
| [22:13:21] | CyberKnet2: | Now to see if supergrub fixed it |
| [22:13:30] | bobc: | hadees: live tv just goes with the rest of the tv |
| [22:13:48] | bobc: | myth doesn't use a buffer anymore |
| [22:14:02] | CyberKnet2: | niiiice. Thanks for the SGD reference toorima |
| [22:14:05] | bobc: | at least I don't believe it does |
| [22:14:28] | hadees: | bobc, lol really? i haven't been paying attention i haven't had to start from scratch in a while |
| [22:14:31] | bobc: | the ring buffer was removed in .19 |
| [22:14:46] | justinh: | hadees: putting stuff out there & just letting it die off is about as bad. fewer people contribute to themes than code – and guess which is easier |
| [22:14:47] | bobc: | or .20, not sure now |
| [22:14:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | bobc: hadees Actually, it uses a buffer — always does — but I think it goes to the recordings directory automatically... |
| [22:15:03] | hadees: | justinh, well if it is out there someone else might update it |
| [22:15:10] | justinh: | heh |
| [22:15:16] | hadees: | hence the wonderfulness of open source |
| [22:15:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | That allows you to hit 'R' on a 'livetv' to 'convert' your live recording to an 'on-demand' recording... |
| [22:16:10] | hadees: | now that you mention it i think i remember that |
| [22:16:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | hadees: So, that all goes to my recordings Raid5 array... ;-) |
| [22:17:04] | hadees: | nice |
| [22:17:31] | hadees: | my mythtv box won't have raid5 until i upgrade my file server and move those disks to mythtv |
| [22:18:01] | CyberKnet2: | I only mirror my TV, I don't stripe it. |
| [22:18:14] | CyberKnet2: | only t wo disks, so it's the only option that made sense. |
| [22:18:17] | ** J-e-f-f-A has to go fix the lawn-mower for the wife.... ttyl guys... ** | |
| [22:18:35] | CyberKnet2: | nice 3ware controller :) |
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| [22:18:57] | hadees: | mine? thanks i try |
| [22:19:49] | hadees: | i've had an iphone ever since the 16gig came out and i've used it for everything from playing old NES games to MythTV and have yet to use it to listen to music |
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| [22:22:52] | bobc: | I want to replace my current small IDE hard drive with a new SATA large hard drive. With them both installed, can I just copy all of the files from the old drive to the new, put the UUID in the fstab with the appropriate device and make any necessary changes to grub, then reboot without the old drive? Will that work? |
| [22:23:03] | ajh: | if the frontend is stuck on a channel that crashes/screws with it, how can you get it off it? :) |
| [22:23:29] | bobc: | ajh: I usually just restart the frontend |
| [22:23:50] | ajh: | that isn't working, it's defaulting back when restarted |
| [22:24:18] | ajh: | killing the backend will likely work, but I was hoping for something less destriuctive. |
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| [22:24:38] | hadees: | ajh, why would you need to kill the backend? |
| [22:24:39] | bobc: | ajh: so the particular channel is a problem, like an HD channel or something? |
| [22:24:43] | hadees: | just kill the frontend |
| [22:24:46] | justinh: | just been thinking about the guide. be handy to be able to bring up a menu (or just press a button) to show just one channel in detail. damn my to-do list |
| [22:25:03] | ajh: | it's dvb-s and an off-air channel |
| [22:25:11] | ajh: | it's behaving very oddly. |
| [22:25:17] | hadees: | justinh, what do you mean in detail? |
| [22:25:30] | bobc: | ajh: is it the only tuner you have? |
| [22:25:44] | justinh: | hadees: like select a channel & just show that channel |
| [22:26:03] | hadees: | justinh, i get that part but what other info are you going to show |
| [22:26:03] | justinh: | like what you can do in the search functions but closer to where I'd rather have em ;) |
| [22:26:06] | ajh: | bobc, physical yes, virtual no |
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| [22:29:04] | bobc: | ajh: it's always going to go to that channel when starting up on that tuner, whether you restarted the backend or not. |
| [22:29:23] | bobc: | at least until you change the channel on that tuner |
| [22:29:35] | ajh: | is there an oob way to do that? |
| [22:29:43] | justinh: | might also be nice to have the finder & guide grid signal each other so you land on the same show when switching between them. just teeny tiny little things like that are on my secret list |
| [22:30:39] | bobc: | ajh: you could change the channel to start on in the database for that tuner |
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| [22:31:20] | bobc: | I don't recall the name for that setting though, it's obvious in the mythtv-setup screen |
| [22:35:06] | ajh: | I got it to switch inputs and then it let me tune, but I found another bug in the process. |
| [22:35:33] | ajh: | Set a regex for a playback group, set it to 200% playback, then view it in livetv and it seriously messed up the mpeg2 decoding. |
| [22:35:53] | ajh: | for all channels. |
| [22:36:08] | ajh: | if anyone with dvb-s could verify that. |
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| [22:56:13] | dustybin: | i just done a svn update and compiled mythtv, it errors with this message |
| [22:56:16] | dustybin: | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| [22:56:16] | dustybin: | make[2]: *** [mythtv] Error 1 |
| [22:57:50] | Yahooadam: | you might want to pastebin a bit more of the log |
| [22:58:31] | dustybin: | http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2524 |
| [22:59:03] | dustybin: | ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.21.so: undefined reference to `XvMCCopySurfaceToGLXPbuffer' |
| [22:59:13] | dustybin: | maybe i need to disable xvMC |
| [22:59:18] | dustybin: | i dont use it anyway |
| [23:01:23] | dustybin: | i also get this error: |
| [23:01:25] | dustybin: | server:/usr/local/src/mythtv# ./configure --enable-opengl-video --enable-opengl-vsync |
| [23:01:29] | dustybin: | ./configure: line 2749: enaled: command not found |
| [23:01:39] | dustybin: | i just ignore it |
| [23:06:47] | Anduin: | dustybin: update (to remove the configure error) |
| [23:08:01] | dustybin: | update what? i did a svn update before the compile? |
| [23:08:35] | dustybin: | server:/usr/local/src/mythtv# svn update |
| [23:08:36] | dustybin: | At revision 16967. |
| [23:11:30] | Anduin: | dustybin: svn diff configure, really what you are seeing isn't there |
| [23:13:11] | dustybin: | server:/usr/local/src/mythtv# svn diff configure |
| [23:13:11] | dustybin: | server:/usr/local/src/mythtv# ./configure --enable-opengl-video --enable-opengl-vsync |
| [23:13:15] | dustybin: | ./configure: line 2749: enaled: command not found |
| [23:13:26] | dustybin: | seems like a type, maybe it should be 'enabled' |
| [23:13:29] | dustybin: | typo |
| [23:13:42] | Anduin: | It was a typo, it has been fixed. |
| [23:13:56] | dustybin: | aye ok, ill do another update |
| [23:14:25] | dustybin: | strange, svn update doesnt correct it |
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| [23:18:01] | dustybin: | i corrected it myself, the first bit of coding ive ever done : |
| [23:18:02] | dustybin: | :P |
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| [23:18:42] | EvilGuru: | I have been playing around with the upmixing (stereo to 5.1) with the active method and find it makes everything very quiet |
| [23:18:53] | BobSlob: | is there a good soundcard that works under linux that'll do 5.1 easily? |
| [23:19:16] | BobSlob: | or, if its possible to get an x2600 working fully? =D |
| [23:19:18] | dustybin: | BobSlob: Audiophile 2496 |
| [23:19:22] | dustybin: | nice bit of kit |
| [23:19:31] | dustybin: | but you could probably get away with a cheaper one |
| [23:19:59] | BobSlob: | anything with optical? |
| [23:20:22] | dustybin: | BobSlob: im using a Audiophile 2496 optical outs into my a/v reciever |
| [23:20:47] | BobSlob: | how much did that puppy run? |
| [23:20:55] | dustybin: | cost? |
| [23:21:11] | BobSlob: | yeah |
| [23:21:14] | dustybin: | you could pick one up for about £50, 2nd hand half that |
| [23:21:53] | BobSlob: | and for a video card? 8600 good for doing HD video? |
| [23:22:13] | dustybin: | BobSlob: all you need is a Nvidia FX5200 |
| [23:22:22] | dustybin: | that can do HD |
| [23:22:52] | BobSlob: | really |
| [23:23:25] | dustybin: | BobSlob: if your new to HTPC, read this first: http://www.linuxis.us/linux/media/howto/linux-htpc/ |
| [23:27:28] | EvilGuru: | Anyone know why 5.1 up-mixing makes things so quiet? |
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| [23:27:47] | dustybin: | EvilGuru: turn the volume up :P |
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| [23:34:05] | justinh: | don't need no expensive 50 quid soundcard if you do digital |
| [23:34:10] | justinh: | waste of money |
| [23:34:42] | justinh: | as for upmixing... you can't make silk out of shit |
| [23:36:08] | Dibblah: | Depends if 'upmixing' really means dolby matrix decode. |
| [23:36:47] | justinh: | true |
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| [23:45:06] | dustybin: | its time for a fish finger sandwich :D |
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| [23:46:42] | jamesd__: | no its time for a ribeye steak... and asparagus |
| [23:48:58] | Dibblah: | EvilGuru: Do you have a center speaker? |
| [23:49:41] | dustybin: | i do yes |
| [23:50:09] | EvilGuru: | Dibblah: I do |
| [23:50:29] | Dibblah: | Odd. |
| [23:50:37] | EvilGuru: | A quick 5.1 test wav works fine |
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| [23:51:51] | hadees: | is mythweb supposed to be installed on a frontend? because it seems like a lot of things like weather and video expect files that would only be on a frontend. |
| [23:52:01] | hadees: | what are you supposed to do if you have multiple frontend? |
| [23:52:09] | hadees: | or you don't want mythweb on your frontend |
| [23:52:12] | hadees: | nfs? |
| [23:52:42] | dustybin: | mythweb can be installed anywhere i think, as long as you give it the correct database to connect to |
| [23:52:50] | dustybin: | (i might be wrong) |
| [23:53:29] | dustybin: | hadees: all information is stored in mysql in a database called mythconverg |
| [23:53:42] | dustybin: | hadees: the backend, frontend, and mythweb all connect to it |
| [23:54:19] | hadees: | dustybin, i thought so too but in the settings section it says for weather that mythweather isn't installed and for video it wants things like imdb.pl script and where i store the artwork |
| [23:54:23] | hadees: | all that would be on a frontend |
| [23:55:40] | dustybin: | you can edit that information on the frontend, but its still stored in mythconverg database |
| [23:55:47] | purserj: | hadees: you can manage frontend settings from mythweb so I would install it on the same machine as the backend |
| [23:56:17] | purserj: | mind you my backend also has a frontend |
| [23:56:27] | dustybin: | i beg your pardon |
| [23:56:54] | hadees: | purserj, mine doesn't |
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| [23:57:30] | dustybin: | mythweb uses apache web server, keep all the servers together same machine where backend runs |
| [23:57:33] | hadees: | come to think of it i wish mythbackend managed things like the video artwork because it isn't like each of my frontend is going to have different access to videos |
| [23:58:48] | dustybin: | hadees: i believe all frontends see the same information |
| [23:59:12] | dustybin: | if you install 3 frontends in your house, they will all see the same settings (i think...) |
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