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Friday, April 4th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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directhex:

PatrickDK, 2.4ghz what?

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PatrickDK:

2.4ghz p4

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PatrickDK:

not dual core or anything

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directhex:

erm, no, i really don't think so

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PatrickDK:

well, the video and audio plays ok

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directhex:

in sync?

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PatrickDK:

on my 1280x768 screen

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PatrickDK:

but the ones that start with a, those don't play at all

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XLV:

40mbit x264 is that one i mentioned, its being uploaded, link will be posted here, its gonna take a while, its 100MB uploaded at 256KB/s

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XLV:

Kbit/s

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directhex:

PatrickDK, your report is enormously unlikely for technical reasons, and also does not match any other user's experience

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directhex:

XLV, thing about h264 is it's not just bitrate. there's a whole fruit salad of settings that make a huge difference

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PatrickDK:

directhex, I know

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PatrickDK:

but the clip plays, but a longer video wouldn't

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PatrickDK:

cause it stays at 100% cpu consistently

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PatrickDK:

so over time it will lag

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XLV:

directhex, true.. a difference in one option can make a huge difference

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PatrickDK:

just not for the length of that clip

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directhex:

PatrickDK, check audio sync. especially when the knife swish sound is heard versus seen

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PatrickDK:

ok

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lwizardl:

so the gpu offload is currently a limit in linux in general and not just mythtv?

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directhex:

the minimum i got away with in benchmarking was both cores of a core 2 duo running at 1.66ghz or so

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directhex:

lwizardl, yes

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directhex:

lwizardl, the api for gpu offloading only supports mpeg2

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lwizardl:

directhexoh ok so for dvd playback it would work fine

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XLV:

lwizardl, we have ( at least i do ) in intel now that they have an igp ( 4000hd ) that supports hd playback offloading, that they will produce some linux drivers so they put pressure on the others

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XLV:

*we have some hope

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directhex:

there's been talk of it

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XLV:

ofcourse i have said that when amd released specs on rv600 series and nothing happened since then ;-)

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directhex:

intel have a better track record

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directhex:

they employ some top people

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hadees:

anyone have any recommendations for a firewire chipset that works well with the SA 3250HD

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hads:

purserj: Gutsy has 4.3.2 here

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purserj:

hads: hrmm

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PaulWay:

Hi all!

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PaulWay:

Anyone got XvMC working on an Intel 945GM chipset?

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hads:

purserj: I do have backports enabled but I don't know if it came from there.

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purserj:

hads: I'll have a look at it, I think 4.2 is causing the core dump I'm seeing with trunk

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purserj:

then again maybe not

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purserj:

It appears I have 4.3.2 as well

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hads:

:)

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purserj:

I'm getting an assert error when I try and start mythfrontend

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hads:

I haven't been playing in trunk since QT4

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hadees:

what does sdl do for mythmusic? just let you play AAC files?

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PatrickDK:

I'm pretty sure sdl is a graphics lib

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hadees:

ok i don't know where i got that from

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hadees:

so what does it do with regards to mythmusic

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PatrickDK:

oh, sdl is an all in one thing, it's audio/ keyboard/ mouse/ joystick/ video/ ....

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clever:

PatrickDK: sdl is also used for audio

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

the duke nukem port to linux used sdl

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PatrickDK:

I dunno, everytime I have had the option to use it, I don't

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clever:

and mplayer has an sdl video output

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PatrickDK:

I don't see the need of another lib to pollute my system :)

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clever:

sdl i think is cross platform

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PatrickDK:

it is, windows, linmux, mac, freebsd, ...

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Dibblah:

PaulWay: It sort-of-might-work-in-latest-git of xf86-video-intel.

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Dibblah:

But not in my testing.

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clever:

which means the graphics in mythmusic are also portable:P

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Dibblah:

It's bleeding edge stuff.

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clever:

so the mythmusic is smaller overall(in source)

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purserj:

hmm core dump seems to be mythphone related

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Dibblah:

AFAIK, mythmusic doesn't use sdl for audio. It uses the standard Myth output stuff.

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hadees:

hmm interesting ProjectM has two ebuilds in portage

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clever:

Dibblah: could you just leave sdl and all the viz stuff out?

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hadees:

for what i think is the same thing

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PaulWay:

Dibblah: Hmmm – thanks.

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Dibblah:

SDL appears to be only used for two visualisers.

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Dibblah:

Oh, maybe goom too. Not too sure.

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Dibblah:

Yeah, it apppears to be all vis stuff.

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Dibblah:

Everything appears to be ifdefed out OK, so it looks like you might be able to do without it.

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PatrickDK:

yes you can, I build without sdl

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PatrickDK:

don't have sdl installed at all

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darkdrgn2k:

got svn trunk get this error during upgrade

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darkdrgn2k:

Query was: ALTER TABLE cardinput DROP COLUMN preference, DROP COLUMN diseqc_port, DROP COLUMN diseqc_pos, DROP COLUMN lnb_lof_switch, DROP COLUMN lnb_lof_hi, DROP COLUMN lnb_lof_lo;

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TelnetManta:

can anyone help me figure out why all of a sudden I get an error when starting my backend about setting a system variable HOME or

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TelnetManta:

I've set the variables but when I try to start the backend as any user other than mythtv it bombs with the error

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TelnetManta:

well it seems to be working now... odd

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Ava-:

guys

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Ava-:

on my recordings

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Ava-:

for some reason my times shows as 1...

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Ava-:

it used to say e.g. 9:58pm

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Ava-:

anyone know what's up with that?

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bobgill:

damn I just upgraded to myth 0.21 and did a database schema upgrade on the backend.. now changing channels and using the program guide is far laggier

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bobgill:

anyone else experience this?

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Ava-:

me

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Ava-:

no fix yet

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Ava-:

heh

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bobgill:

dang

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Ava-:

although I checked my logs

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Ava-:

and it was looking for the icons in the wrong directory

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Ava-:

I rescanned for them

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Ava-:

and it corrected it

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Ava-:

might seem a bit faster now

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bobgill:

ok i try that

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bobgill:

hmmm not much faster

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bobgill:

could I just revert to the old database?

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Aval0n:

I don't know I'm sorry

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purserj:

sigh

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purserj:

anyone using mythnews in trunk?

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ShiftyPowers:

i can't get trunk to compile now in ubuntu

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ShiftyPowers:

i think i'm missing a qt4 library or something

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ShiftyPowers:

back to the wiki i go

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purserj:

ShiftyPowers: apt-get install qt4-devel libqt4 libqt4-dev

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purserj:

if you're on Gutsy that is

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ShiftyPowers:

it's feisty on my htpc

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ShiftyPowers:

does that matter?

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purserj:

yar, probably older versions of the qt4 libraries

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ShiftyPowers:

hmm

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ShiftyPowers:

maybe i should upgrade the box

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ShiftyPowers:

but that just seems risky

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purserj:

I've got it built on gutsy

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ShiftyPowers:

upgrade to gutsy

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ShiftyPowers:

did you fresh install gutsy or upgrade it?

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purserj:

can't actually remember

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Aval0n:

what does qt4 do for you?

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purserj:

allows you to build the trunk version of myth?

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Aval0n:

right

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purserj:

The development version now requires qt4 and won't build on qt3

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Aval0n:

but why does it require qt4 draw engine

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Aval0n:

is it for mythui?

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purserj:

I don't think so as 0.21 uses mythui a little

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Ava-:

hmm

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ShiftyPowers:

hmm, and there is no way to have qt4 on feisty?

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GreyFoxx:

It's called staying current with technology

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ShiftyPowers:

or i'd have to manually install it?

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Ava-:

hey would you have any idea why on my recordings screen my time would display 1...

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GreyFoxx:

QT3 is old n busted, eventually to be unsupported

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purserj:

ShiftyPowers: apt-cache search qt4 and tell me what you see

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Ava-:

instead of normal times

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GreyFoxx:

the QT4 move had to happen eventually

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Ava-:

greyfoxx : ahh

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GreyFoxx:

Also allows for using a lot of the improvements in QT4

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GreyFoxx:

easier porting to Windows, etc etc

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Ava-:

ahh cool

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GreyFoxx:

faster startup time too

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Ava-:

greyfoxx: do you have any idea what might be going on with my recording times?

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Ava-:

my system time is correct

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ShiftyPowers:

i get this

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GreyFoxx:

nope, didn't read beyond what is on my current screen :)

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ShiftyPowers:

purserj, http://www.pastebin.ca/970480

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Ava-:

ahh

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Ava-:

<Ava-> hey would you have any idea why on my recordings screen my time would display 1...

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Ava-:

i recompiled 21-fixes

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purserj:

ShiftyPowers: well it looks to be available

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Ava-:

some of my recordings say the correct time

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Ava-:

e.g. 9:58pm

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purserj:

not sure about version numbers though

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Ava-:

but all my new recordings show 1...

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Ava-:

this is in the recodings menu

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GreyFoxx:

Show 1 where exactly ?

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GreyFoxx:

oh "1..."

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Ava-:

ok if you are in your recorings menu on the right hand side where the indivual episodes are.. to the right of them

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Ava-:

it says the time

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GreyFoxx:

Sounds like the string is longer than the theme will display in that spot and it's being shortened

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Ava-:

ahh

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Ava-:

perhaps

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GreyFoxx:

quite sure

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Ava-:

i was playing with my xorg and it's currently 800x00

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ShiftyPowers:

i'm getting this now when i reun make distclean in my SVN directory http://www.pastebin.ca/970485

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ShiftyPowers:

any clue?

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Ava-:

800x00

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ShiftyPowers:

qt4 is installed

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Ava-:

that's probably why

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Ava-:

thanks

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GreyFoxx:

np

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purserj:

sigh I can't actually select anything in mythnews now

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ShiftyPowers:

purserj, any thoughts on that last link?

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purserj:

and I'm pretty sure it's not my code

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purserj:

ShiftyPowers: the only thing I can think of is that the qmake symlink has been shifted to point at the qt4 version

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purserj:

I believe you can specify in ./configure where the qmake variable should point

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purserj:

also what happens if you do a straigh clean?

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purserj:

oh mythnews really has to move away from the xmlfile

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ShiftyPowers:

purserj, how do I do a straight clean?

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purserj:

make clean

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ShiftyPowers:

hmm, same error

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purserj:

right, sounds like it might be the problem I mentioned above

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ShiftyPowers:

ok, i'll try it out

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ShiftyPowers:

actually thinking of upgrading to gutsy instead

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purserj:

hmm that might explain why mythnews isn't doing anything. There doesn't seem to be a keypress event for SELECT

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purserj:

ShiftyPowers: couldn't hurt

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purserj:

this is going to hurt my head I can tell

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Ava-:

can you rip a DVD and watch a recording at the same time with mythtv?

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PaulWay:

Ava-: AFAIK yes.

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Ava-:

cool

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PaulWay:

As long as your CPU's up to it.

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Ava-:

:)

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PaulWay:

(i.e. if you're using hardware playback then you should be fine).

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PaulWay:

s/i.e./e.g./

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Ava-:

not using hardware playback.. but it's working fine

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Ava-:

:)

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Ava-:

just a SD analog cartoon for the kids while I transcode :)

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hadees:

i'm on the visualization screen in setup for MythMusic and i can't seem to figure out how to remove visualizations. I can add them but D and delete don't seem to remove them, anyone know the key?

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Anduin:

hadees: You just select it and it moved to the other column

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Anduin:

er moves

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hadees:

Anduin, thanks, i finally figured that out

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JoeyJoeJo:

does the frontend telnet server use TCP or UDP?

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JoeyJoeJo:

I guess TCP, right?

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darkdrgn2k33:

JoeyJoeJo: thjere is no udp telnet lol

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JoeyJoeJo:

that's what I couldn't remember

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mikeones:

I just updated svn trunk and make failed

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mikeones:

version.cpp:3: error: expected primary-expression before â€˜;â€™ token

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mikeones:

make[2]: *** [version.o] Error 1

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mikeones:

make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mythtv/libs/libmythupnp'

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mikeones:

thats not the whole error

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tjcarter:

Deek!

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Deek:

Where?!?

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tjcarter:

I went with airbook

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tjcarter:

$1529

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tjcarter:

I just couldn't beat that with a stick =D

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tjcarter:

BTW and totally randomly, you heard that T.J. McMillen is rewriting BBS software like now?

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Deek:

who?

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tjcarter:

as in 2008 now...

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tjcarter:

He's the last guy stup^wcraz^wfooli^wwho decided to work on Renegade..

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tjcarter:

like 12 years after absolutely nobody cares anymore, but still.

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Deek:

What happened to Patrick whats-his-name?

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tjcarter:

Patrick got a life.

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purserj:

Stewart?

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tjcarter:

purserj: Spence

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tjcarter:

Patrick recruited T.J. in 1998 or 1999 or so I think

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tjcarter:

as much as I miss BBS communities, I don't think they work anymore.

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Ava-:

anyone have a script that they use that will always monitor if mythfrontend is running and if it crashes restarts it?

[04:00:42]

tjcarter:

The cool thing about the BBSes were that they were usually local or big national ones that you only called into on special occasion..

[04:01:01]

tjcarter:

the local ones felt local and the national ones were a big deal

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Deek:

heh, the last "national" BBS I called was on 1200bps.

[04:01:52]

tjcarter:

Now we have mailing lists for the messaging, we have web and other games for gaming, and HTTP/BT for files

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tjcarter:

the local community is gone, and it's not going to come back with internet BBSes

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tjcarter:

because an internet BBS is just another IP address. The whole world is a local call when it's bits over your cable modem..

[04:03:04]

tjcarter:

so nothing is really

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Deek:

Our local scene was huge, between the big MajorBBS and HELLnet

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tjcarter:

and people have argued that things that don't involve text terminals aren't really BBSes. Fair enough, but those things involve interfacing some BBS software with telnet.. Telnet as a protocol shoul rightly be dead and buried.

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Deek:

Nah, nothing wrong with telnet. It's nicely structured with a good sideband channel.

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tjcarter:

nah, the way to do it is to have ssh on a port other than 22

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tjcarter:

or go with a completely different protocol

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Deek:

why ssh?

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tjcarter:

data compression for one

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tjcarter:

you needn't encrypt the session, though it can't hurt

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Deek:

Compression is not real good for interactive sessions.

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tjcarter:

but it's difficult to get people to go back to the linear online terminal thing

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tjcarter:

I mean even in the days of BBSes, many people used qwk packets (most often with BlueWave), myself included

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Deek:

Internet BBSs were pointless, and that's from a guy who ran one for a really long time. :)

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tjcarter:

yup, they were.

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Deek:

And the technology had nothing to do with it.

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tjcarter:

nope

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tjcarter:

it didn't help mind you

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Deek:

It's the community, stupid! :)

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tjcarter:

I am convinced that fidonet would still be alive and kicking in the US if z1 weren't assholes but that's another argument

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tjcarter:

the requirement that you maintain ZMH made no sense after 1996–97 at the latest.

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tjcarter:

why on earth would I CM you if I could just send an email?

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tjcarter:

Tossing *.MSG into rfc-822 format is trivial, and the other direction need not be horribly painful

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Deek:

nah, fido was totally useless

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tjcarter:

I disagree for the same reason I disagree usenet was useless

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Deek:

No, Usenet ruled (and still does)

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tjcarter:

usenet is all warez and pron now

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tjcarter:

and spam, always spam

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Deek:

There's more than alt.binaries.

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tjcarter:

what usenet had going for it that mailing lists don't is that you could easily find a usenet group

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tjcarter:

I generally prefer mailing lists otherwise

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Deek:

I hate lists.

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Deek:

they're fscking fragile.

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tjcarter:

messing with mail rules and different types of list software and actually finding interesting lists is not trivial

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tjcarter:

but if we could have the lists with a decent way to get at archives and find lists, they work well

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tjcarter:

plus having to subscribe and having a list moderator really is a good thing.

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Deek:

Moderated newsgroups work. :)

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tjcarter:

no they don't

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tjcarter:

messages are posted and moderators must retroactively cancel

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tjcarter:

ew

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Deek:

no

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tjcarter:

c'mon, that's how it always winds up working with the spammers

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Deek:

Moderated newsgroups work via email.

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tjcarter:

it requires misconfigured/intentionally broken news server

[04:18:56]

tjcarter:

but ... that happens. Frequently and on purpose.

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Deek:

no it doesn't

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tjcarter:

usenet represents the old way when the Internet was a free for all and people generally behaved.

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tjcarter:

September began far too long ago.

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Deek:

Any idgit can post an approved message, but that's OK.

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Deek:

The server doesn't have to be broken, it just works. :)

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Deek:

Anyway, moderated groups use software to robocancel.

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tjcarter:

I personally think SMTP needs to go the way of the dodo as well actually

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tjcarter:

we have much better designs nowadays

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Deek:

never happen.

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tjcarter:

of course not

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Deek:

and I don't believe it's true that something better has been designed.

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tjcarter:

at least not unless Google starts pushing a new network protocol that replaces SMTP and IMAP and does what both are meant to do, but better.

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tjcarter:

If this Google protocol were properly implemented and the reference properly licensed, it could become common for user-to-mailserver communication and later mailserver-to-mailserver

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tjcarter:

But Google has no incentive.

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Deek:

Really, _all_ the potential SMTP replacements have been BS.

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tjcarter:

nobody has really tried properly to replace SMTP

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tjcarter:

but the model exists

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tjcarter:

just not for email =/

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Deek:

SMTP is the correct model.

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Saviq:

hello, is importing from szap channels.conf supposed to work?

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tjcarter:

the notion that I determine from whom I will accept mail by default and an established protocol for introducing exceptions to that rule... SMTP is totally lacking and if the setup of mailing lists seems fragile and unreasonably fragmented, methods of greylisting etc are even worse

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tjcarter:

Saviq: I've never tried it actually

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Deek:

tjcarter: eh?

[04:30:13]

tjcarter:

Saviq: just to acknowledge that you're not asking in the wrong place despite the totally unrelated discussion ;)

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Saviq:

I did try, it worked in .20, it doesn't in .21

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Deek:

tjcarter: The stuff you're referring to is totally orthogonal to the job SMTP does.

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tjcarter:

Deek: IM clients have better models.. The standard IM setup nowadays (though not required) is that IMs from a person are not accepted unless you "know" them. You can decide to "know" or "unknow" a person

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tjcarter:

Deek: you can't fit that model for mail delivery on top of SMTP without it being ugly.

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Deek:

tjcarter: that's because the model is wrong.

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tjcarter:

ah, but most people don't WANT to accept mail from any person or bot that knows their email address.

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Deek:

when you send a message to someone who doesn't "know" you with an instant messaging "thing", it just gets dropped on the floor.

[04:34:10]

tjcarter:

That suggests the SMTP model, which isn't designed to work any other way, isn't what people want.

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Deek:

That's exactly equivalent to hitting a mail filter.

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Saviq:

fuck, whole night I've fought to get proper channels.conf from lyngsat and now mythtv segfaults on me when I try to use it :[

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tjcarter:

that'd be true except that mail filters don't have the procedure to tell the sender to hold their message and introduce the sender to the recipient

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tjcarter:

again, that's done via greylisting software, but it's ugly.

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Deek:

how is it ugly?

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tjcarter:

how many different hoops are their to jump through to send mail to someone using greylisting software?

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Deek:

zero.

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tjcarter:

You haven't seen SAUCE I take it

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Deek:

That's not greylisting.

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tjcarter:

or tmda

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Deek:

That's challenge-response BS.

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tjcarter:

or any of the other "PROVE you are a human" software

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tjcarter:

that's all the standard greylist is

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Deek:

regular greylisting is totally automatic and doesn't do more than delay receipt.

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tjcarter:

it just automates the process of proving you're a human by assuming spammers won't leave thousands of queued messages waiting X amount of time before delivery

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tjcarter:

...an assumption that would prove false if more than 10% of the world started using it, I promise you.

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tjcarter:

And yet I get ZERO IM spams, and I have an account on AIM for God's sake!

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Deek:

(and the delay is mostly to give the spammers time to hit blacklists)

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tjcarter:

the usual method of spam nowadays is to infect someone with a virus and turn them into an impromptu spammer

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Deek:

tjcarter: which will quickly get listed on a DNS blacklist.

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tjcarter:

renders blacklists useless. Currently doesn't hurt greylists, but it would if people started using greylisting software more since the spammers don't care now about the resource usage since the resources belong to a few thousand other idiots with wintendos

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tjcarter:

after all, if you infect 6,000 people and they send out 1,000 emails each, you just sent 6,000,000 emails. That's sizable. If all of them either bounce or are delayed by greylisting, they're unlikely to get hit by blacklists

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tjcarter:

unless they're used to send more mail later

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Deek:

which they will be

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tjcarter:

greylisting depends on SOME people not using greylisting

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tjcarter:

actually, it depends on most people not using it.

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Deek:

not so much

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tjcarter:

consider, if everybody uses greylisting, first mail is delayed say 4 hours

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tjcarter:

but you send 1,000 emails in under a minute right?

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Deek:

4h?

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Deek:

Try 30m.

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tjcarter:

fine, 30m.

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Deek:

The first mail is delayed 30m, and so is the second, third, fourth, ...

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tjcarter:

okay, so the 1,000 mails are attempted delivery, but none are delivered because greylisting is the rule, not the exception.

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tjcarter:

30m later, the messages are delivered pretty much all at once

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Deek:

By the time the 30 minutes are up, the zombie IP is likely to have been blacklisted already.

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Deek:

so they never get delivered.

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tjcarter:

who's gonna blacklist them if nobody gets the mail?

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tjcarter:

if greylists are universal, there is no delivery

[04:46:13]

tjcarter:

therefore nobody knows it's a zombie yet.

[04:46:30]

tjcarter:

that is why greylisting must not become universal

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Deek:

It only requires the honeypots to not use it. :)

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tjcarter:

I think that could be worked around.

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tjcarter:

requires two zombies.

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Deek:

not so much...any address can be a honeypot.

[04:48:58]

tjcarter:

first zombie tries to deliver mail immediately, but reports temp fail to second zombie which attempts delivery later.

[04:49:11]

tjcarter:

that actually solves two problems actually

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Led-Hed:

I upgraded to 0.21 a few weeks ago, and just noticed that I cant rip dvd's. The frontend says to press "0" to start the transcode daemon but it never starts. I checked and mythtranscode exists. Is there another app/package I need to install?

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Deek:

Led-Hed: not mythtranscode, mtd

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tjcarter:

first, it ensures that the spam gets to people with greylists (second IP) and people without (first IP)

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tjcarter:

with expectation that the blacklist will catch the first IP almost immediately

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Led-Hed:

Deek, what is mtd

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Deek:

Myth Transcode Daemon

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Led-Hed:

oh.

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Led-Hed:

Deek, got that too

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Led-Hed:

anything else I should check for?

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Deek:

the frontend log.

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tjcarter:

requires assumption that there are a near infinite number of zombies out there waiting to be tapped. This is presently a good assumption. =/

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Deek:

tjcarter: It'll catch the second IP too

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tjcarter:

only if honeypots appear to temp fail deliveries

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Deek:

tjcarter: some of them will, obviously.

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tjcarter:

that's still an arms race

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tjcarter:

the IM model isn't.

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Deek:

I get daily IM spams.

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tjcarter:

you cannot, unless I decide to allow it, communicate with me unless you first tell me who you are and I approve your communication either once or always.

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Deek:

More spam than actual people.

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tjcarter:

your IM isn't set up properly? =)

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Deek:

anyway, your "IM model" is just a whitelisting "blacklist by default" policy.

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Deek:

trivial to implement.

[04:59:29]

Deek:

hell, you don't even have to reject mail, just drop it on the floor.

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tjcarter:

> Mail for foo\n < tempfail: foo doesn't know you\n > Authreq: here's my vcard\n < OK: don't call us, we'll call you.

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tjcarter:

the thing about IM is that the whole auth procedure is part of the protocol

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tjcarter:

it's not part of SMTP and it's not going to be.

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Deek:

Nor should it be.

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tjcarter:

that means 10,000,000 different ideas of auth required errors, ways of requesting auth, and ways of letting the sender know they can send now

[05:01:40]

Deek:

no, it means "don't fecking do that" :)

[05:01:43]

tjcarter:

plus you have to somehow let the sender's mail server know the message can be delivered now

[05:03:33]

tjcarter:

another case of the behavior is implemented in IRC

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Deek:

it's just wrong for email.

[05:04:02]

tjcarter:

DCC may be autoaccepted or not. Once accepted, whatever is sent is sent

[05:04:13]

tjcarter:

however much it is, etc

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Deek:

tmda and _everything_ like it breaks email because it's just wrong for email.

[05:04:34]

Deek:

(including the "IM model")

[05:05:30]

Deek:

the protocol doesn't matter, it's bad for the purpose.

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tjcarter:

tmda and the like are wrong because they try to shoehorn an authorization system where one cannot be implemented universally

[05:06:41]

tjcarter:

it's meant to be a headache for the sender

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Deek:

no, they are wrong because authorization has nothing to do with email.

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tjcarter:

tmda and friends basically force you to jump through hoops (different hoops for each program) to be allowed to send mail to the user of the program

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Deek:

it's the concept that's evil, not the implementation.

[05:08:11]

tjcarter:

this is wrong both because not all email addresses can/should have these hoops

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Deek:

They're just implementing a bad idea incompetently.

[05:10:07]

tjcarter:

...and because there is no integrated/standard way to do these things

[05:10:22]

tjcarter:

actually, there's another reason

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tjcarter:

tmda and friends assume that I want mail from you if you're human unless I otherwise say I don't.

[05:11:34]

tjcarter:

I'd rather it ask me if you're someone I want to talk to than ask you to do anything.

[05:11:54]

tjcarter:

because making you do things isn't reasonable

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tjcarter:

and there's nothing that can be given before tempfail is responded that would tell me whether you're someone I want mail from

[05:12:48]

tjcarter:

(the only thing that could convey that info given SMTP is the email itself)

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hadees:

anyone know why MePo-wide isn't in x11-themes/mythtv-themes-extra anymore?

[05:13:50]

hadees:

on gentoo

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Deek:

MePo?

[05:14:14]

hadees:

its a theme

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tjcarter:

anyway, it's a moot point, it's not gonna happen

[05:14:20]

tjcarter:

not a bad theme either

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hadees:

http://home.comcast.net/~zdzisekg/

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tjcarter:

it's much better once reskinned a bit IMO

[05:14:39]

tjcarter:

but the basic theme is clean and quite nice

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hadees:

tjcarter, what do you mean reskinned?

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tjcarter:

change graphics for different colors and the like

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hadees:

yeah well it seems to have been dropped and it looks like the ebuild checks out of MythTV svn

[05:15:38]

hadees:

so is it not in MythTV svn anymore?

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** tjcarter not know **

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iamlindoro_:

MePo has never been in Myth SVN

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Deek:

was it ever?

[05:16:10]

iamlindoro_:

nope

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hadees:

hmm

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hadees:

well the gentoo package always had it

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hadees:

i guess they must have switched to MythTV svn extra themes

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hadees:

and i didn't notice it was being checked out differently

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hadees:

that sucks

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hadees:

i guess i'll just install it by hand

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** tjcarter goes horizontal **

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hadees:

but it was nice having that ebuild

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hadees:

anyway I thin MePo is the best of the wide screen themes

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hadees:

although it is themed for Media Portal which i have zero interest in

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pbj:

Hey Forum – I need a little help to determine what and where this problem is located! http://pastebin.ca/970077 – Cannot see what the solution should be on this one – have tryed almost everything

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Led-Hed:

Deek, thanks for the help

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Led-Hed:

night all

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mediauser:

Am I going to have better luck with ati or nvidia for watching blu-ray h264 movies? I can't find any reference of ATI or NVidia actually supporting hardware xvmc or other hardware support

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iamlindoro_:

There is no hardware accel of h.264 whatsoever in linux

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iamlindoro_:

XvMC is MPEG-2 only

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iamlindoro_:

And ATI is a disaster w/r/t MythTV, get nVidia

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mediauser:

why is ATI a disaster?

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mediauser:

color accuracy is better on ati cards than nvidia

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iamlindoro_:

because the drivers are nightmarish and ATI themselves say MythTV is an unsupported application

[05:37:46]

iamlindoro_:

mediauser: Why bother asking if you don't want to know the answer? ATI w/ MythTV results in all sorts of bizare things happening, and is a nightmare to make work, if you can make it work at all-- The general rule is to avoid ATI at all costs if you intend to use Myth

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** purserj beats his head against code that makes cout not work **

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mediauser:

I'm listening, just probing for reasons...

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** cesman _strongly_ agrees w/ iamlindoro_ **

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iamlindoro_:

http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.as . . . tionID=26907

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iamlindoro_:

Straight from the horse's mouth

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purserj:

oh for crying out loud. attempting to cout the contents of a QString in qt4 breaks cout

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Aval0n:

funk ati

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Aval0n:

;)

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Anduin:

purserj: Yes, they removed the const char * conversion operator finally, a good thing.

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purserj:

Anduin: possibly, makes it a bit of a pain when I'm trying to see what events are being passed by keypress

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mikeones:

anyone try and build svn trunk today and get this error? http://pastebin.ca/970674

[06:02:08]

purserj:

nope

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: i gave in and threw more money away on two mire commercial irds

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Anduin:

mikeones: some people were seeing a similar error on older Ubuntu (I think), "path"/rest I believe was the issue.

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purserj:

right it's not my code causing the problems

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mikeones:

Anduin: what do you mean by "path"/rest?

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Anduin:

mikeones: "/usr/local/mythtv"/libs...

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mikeones:

What needs to be done?

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Anduin:

mikeones: Are you sure you are using Qt 4's qmake?

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Anduin:

(the \" should mean you are not)

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mikeones:

Anduin: yep, qmake is pointing to Qmake version: 1.07a (Qt 3.3.8b)

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Anduin:

Basically the ""s in the .pro need to make it to the Makefile so paths with spaces will work (paying no attention that other things will break), Qt 4's qmake behaves differently from Qt 3's

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Anduin:

mikeones: it should try to use qmake-qt4 if it can find it, you can also use --qmake to configure

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pbj:

Have anybody a solution for this problem about an PVR500 and external tuner. Quite frustrating not beeing able to change channels

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mikeones:

thanks Anduin, I had to update-alternatives for qmake

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Anduin:

pbj: an it "blaster"

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pbj:

Anduin: sorry – don't get what you mean with this ? Normally don't use these channels. But after upgrading getting this problem http://pastebin.ca/970077

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Anduin:

pbj: that failure usually means you are trying to tune to a channel that doesn't exist on the lineup associated with that card (like failing to associate a source)

[07:07:11]

pbj:

Since it's on the composite input – the standard are 3 or 4 – but none working. I checked the help showed when accessing the field in mythtv-setup. Since its on a external tuner, it says normally 3 or 4

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Deek:

huh?

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Anduin:

pbj: sure, but did you associate the input with a source?

[07:08:40]

pbj:

yes . And it have been working great untill the update from 0.20 to 0.21

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Anduin:

pbj: and you have a channel 1?

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Anduin:

pbj: and do scheduled recordings work but live TV fails?

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pbj:

yes – on the external tuner. But as I was understanding – the channel1 here is where the tuner are tuning in. Since it's on composite input, its a none flexibel input. I haven't tryed scheduling yet – but the script to call for changing are working when called manually

[07:15:03]

pbj:

So have tried to set it channel to both 3 and 4 are described in the mythtv help

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Anduin:

pbj: for composite it doesn't matter (there is no channel to tune to on the interface), MythTV still needs to know that a channel exists, so you need a lineup, you need to associate it with an input. How the channel changes happens after channel lookup.

[07:19:28]

pbj:

Anduin: Well all the channel are listed under channel editing – and all xmldata are grabbed in each nigth. From Mythweb all the channels I've chosen are shown. So isn't that enough or am I missing something totally.

[07:20:47]

pbj:

I mean – the channels exist and have been working fine. When starting LIVETV its shows a picture from the satelite – buit when changing channels nothing happens – and the error comes up in the mythbackendÄºog

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Anduin:

pbj: Do you have the "preset tuner to channel" option enabled?

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pbj:

Don't know. ! Not from the standard mythtv-setup ?? I haven't seen that option anywhere along configurating this PVR500 – So can't say – but where can I find it ?

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pbj:

Could be my mistake – But have not find/see that option anywhere under Tuner-card – Video sources and Input sources

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Anduin:

pbj: It is in the input connection settings, under the external channel changer.

[07:28:19]

pbj:

Great – I'll get rigth on looking for it when getting home after work. But didn't see the option yesterday niogth when trying to make it work

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Anduin:

pbj: basically you need to track down why it is looking for channel 1

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pbj:

yeah I know – And have looked hard through it – for 4hours yesterday, and didn't see that option anywhere. I haven't got a clue what happend during the upgrade

[07:32:43]

pbj:

But thanks. haven't look hard enough. Another point is it normal that the tunercards are differently named for each distro .! In arch Linux the tunercard are /dev/v4l/video0 but in others are they only /dev/video0 – but in Arch that's only a symlink.

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Anduin:

pbj: it isn't abnormal

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justinh:

I hope the guy who buys my epia is an arch user. they deserve everything they get

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Deek:

pbj: bet Arch uses the old "sysfs" style of /dev

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Deek:

err, devfs

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Deek:

brainfart

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pbj:

OK – I'll get on with it when getting off from work in 4hours

[07:43:37]

pbj:

Thanks everyone!

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pbj:

Well – For the question about liveTV / Scheduling – set a job to start – In mythweb it shows that the program is recording, but under mythTV status – None scheduling are active !

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justinh:

oh FFS. "will this epia you have for sale play HDTV?"

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justinh:

yes – if you first transcode the HD to 320x240 mpeg4 :D

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justinh:

ucking fidiots

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doje:

anyone seen this ?

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doje:

http://wiki.linux1394.org/FAQ

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doje:

seems some hackery or something has taken place

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Dibblah:

Meh. All of these lemmings running the QT4 branch.

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Ojg:

anyone here that use the dev.kewl.org hauppauge patch on kernel 2.6.24.2 ? my module crash in mid scan

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Deek:

doje: hackery? It's a wiki.

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doje:

Deek: I said "or something" – i wasn't sure if that page was editable

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doje:

Deek: :)

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doje:

Deek: I guess it does "edit" right there at the top – my bad

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sid3windr:

http://wiki.linux1394.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions

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sid3windr:

"old page became spam target"

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doje:

sid3windr: thanks – that's what i wanted – is it supposed to be linked the spam one from the navigation do you think ?

[09:26:50]

sid3windr:

dunno

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sid3windr:

I got that from recentchangs

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doje:

cool

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doje:

are there 1394 issues in the 2.6.22 kernel that you know of ? should i get .25 ?

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justdave:

there's probably less than 1394 issues... in fact, there's 1236 open right now on the kernel bugzilla ;)

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directhex|work:

doje, here's the thing – they've replaced the 1394 stack in the kernel

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directhex|work:

and the new stack only implements a fraction of the functionality of the old stack

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directhex|work:

so all apps still require the old one. most distribution kernels are shipping the old stack by default

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doje:

directhex|work: i'm using the raw1394 – that's the old one right ?

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directhex|work:

raw1394 is a library, no?

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directhex|work:

no, it's a kernel module too. from the old stack

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doje:

directhex|work: oh, yeah, are libs considered part of the stack ?

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directhex|work:

yes and no. the libs need rewriting to use the new stack. once the new stack supports the required functionality

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directhex|work:

the module names have changed, so you can technically compile both on the same kernel

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doje:

so at this point, the new stack isn't usable and myth is waiting for that implement upgrades ?

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doje:

*to implement

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doje:

directhex|work: so if I use my current config on the latest kernel will it have the old stack ?

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directhex|work:

in theory

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doje:

lol

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doje:

so true

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directhex|work:

assuming the old stack hasnr't been remove yet

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doje:

I would hope they would wait until the new one is working

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directhex|work:

judging by the comments from the developers on mailing lists, they have no such feelings

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doje:

directhex|work: do you know what has to be done in the new stack that myth needs ?

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doje:

directhex|work: i gotta go – thanks for the info

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k-man__:

do you have to do anything to get mythtranscode to work so archiving dvds can work?

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hashbang:

k-man__: it should just work, but if you're archiving from broadcast DVB, you might find it sucks

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hashbang:

k-man__: recommend you configure 0.21 to use Project-X instead

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hashbang:

k-man__: (and install Project-X, obv)

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Deek:

he wants to rip

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hashbang:

Deek: oops

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hashbang:

Deek: I keep doing that lately

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hashbang:

Deek: actually, are you sure? he talks about 'archiving DVDs', which implies mytharchive, i.e. burning

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Deek:

i.e. archiving the dvd, not to it

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janneg:

DustyBin: np

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DustyBin:

haha

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justinh:

Dibblah: course. as if anybody reads the -dev & -commits lists who uses trunk. ffs

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k-man__:

hashbang, i want to archive some dvds mainly

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k-man__:

hashbang, but when i get to the screen where it tries to connect to mythtranscode, it just says it can;t connect

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justinh:

meh, some suckers lining up behind the Flea-Pee-Ayeay board :)

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justinh:

s/suckers/buyers

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k-man__:

hashbang, mever mind, it is working

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hashbang:

k-man__: ah, right, you probably need mtd running in the background. I hack it into my mythbackend init script

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k-man__:

what is mtd?

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k-man__:

mythtranscodedaemon?

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mjj29:

yeah

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k-man__:

ok

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k-man__:

thanks

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k-man__:

where do i set the location of the dvd drive for importing dvds in mythtv?

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DustyBin:

justinh: pipex have been taken over by tiscali, im in the process of moving house, should i now stick with tiscali or choose another ISP?

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hashbang:

DustyBin: thinkbroadband.com

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hashbang:

DustyBin: Eclipse, Zen, Andrews & Arnold, Zetnet considered vaguely 'top tier' these days, I think

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DustyBin:

hashbang: are thinkbroadband backbone people ?

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hashbang:

DustyBin: no, uk broadband review site

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DustyBin:

aye ok :D

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opensourceje2:

Alloha

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opensourceje2:

i got a question, when i made a mythtv-server with a dvb-tuner...... and i control the server from a wireless thinclient in the localnetwork, how fast can i switch channels on the thinclient?

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DustyBin:

hashbang: check out the transfer speeds for O2: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/isp/o2/package/698.html Â£20 per month! add a extra Â£5 for static ip

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hashbang:

are O2 completely seperate from BT, these days?

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DustyBin:

havent a clue

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DustyBin:

Packages (based on 3 GB transfer) – incl. 17.5% VAT

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DustyBin:

thought it was too good to be true

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DustyBin:

hmmm, it says here: usage: unlimited

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DustyBin:

http://broadband.o2.co.uk/packages.jsp

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DustyBin:

surely thats too good to be true, what is the catch?

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justinh:

DustyBin: all I know is – cable >>>>>>>>>>> ADSL :D

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DustyBin:

aye

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DustyBin:

my sister has SKY, so maybe they have a broadband deal too

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justinh:

'up to' <snigger>

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justinh:

get AOL broadband – 'free' laptop for every customer allegedly

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justinh:

opensourceje2: channel switching time varies a lot. it's generally much slower than with a STB though

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DustyBin:

AOl? :-S

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justinh:

lots of mythtv users couldn't care less about how long channel changes take though since they don't even use live tv

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DustyBin:

mythtv doesnt show live TV, it only shows recordings, even when you select a live TV channel

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DustyBin:

the reason for the delay is so mythtv can record some of the live tv so you can see it

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justinh:

heh well even 'live' tends to be at least 5 seconds old

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** DustyBin imagines there will be even a longer delay when viewing HD live tv **

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justinh:

as for wireless – YMMV

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directhex|work:

DustyBin, want a hunt?

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directhex|work:

hint

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DustyBin:

aye

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directhex|work:

DustyBin, 1) availability of O2 broadband depends on whether your local phone exchange has their LLU kit. check on http://www.samknows.com/broadband/search.php

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DustyBin:

oh!

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directhex|work:

DustyBin, 2) if you can get O2, you can get Be (bethere.co.uk), which is 24 meg per second for 18 quid, unlimited

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DustyBin:

i knew there would be a catch of some kind

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DustyBin:

aye ok, ill find out :D thanks :D

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directhex|work:

as an example exchange, http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/SMBB shows i can get Be/O2 at my new house, but not Sky

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directhex|work:

or Tiscali

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DustyBin:

directhex|work: its looking good :D LLU services: Yes

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directhex|work:

DustyBin, which operators?

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directhex|work:

column on the right

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DustyBin:

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/LNRAI

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directhex|work:

you've had Be for years on that exchange

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DustyBin:

O2 / Be: Enabled as of 28/02/2006

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directhex|work:

you've pretty much got your choice of provider

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DustyBin:

excellent :D

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DustyBin:

bloody heck

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DustyBin:

https://www.bethere.co.uk/broadbandoffice.do;

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opensourceje2:

justinh, about the 1 seconds?

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justinh:

1 second? hahahahahahahahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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justinh:

>5 secs ... < 10 secs

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justinh:

if you want to waste your life surfing random TV channels there are better programs than mythtv

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ajh:

anyone ever see a Hauppauge remote suddenly stop sending the numbers? every other key is showing up, just no numbers

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justinh:

what about with irw ?

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ajh:

I checked that first,.

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justinh:

tried new batteries?

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ajh:

not yet.

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justinh:

I dunno if your remote has this or not but some have other modes like 'tv' which are designed to control other things. make sure you've not accidentally enabled that – if indeed your remote has it

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opensourceje2:

woow > 5 seconds??

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opensourceje2:

why is that?

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opensourceje2:

i have 12,5 MB/s local

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ajh:

yeah, this one every button seems to just send a code

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justinh:

opensourceje2: nothing to do with network speed

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opensourceje2:

i push the button on the usb-reciever on the thinclient. the thin client sends the code to the server, the server switches the channel and send the stream back

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justinh:

opensourceje2: everything to do with how mythtv works

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ajh:

oh, one other odd and even more annoying thing that started happening last night is audio not stopping when you exit the player, it just repeats a short bit

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justinh:

ajh: no bug is official til it's reported

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ajh:

yeah, I don't think I have enough information yet to report it. I'll have to play with some audio settings, was just wondering if anyone had seen it.

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ajh:

yeah, batteries doesn't change the remote

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justinh:

ajh: maybe it's broken then. doesn't take much to fracture the tiny little PCB traces in those these days

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ajh:

mutter, yeah I'm thinking something like that.

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ajh:

the audio thing doesn't end when you quit mythfe either

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justinh:

jeebus... on the case of the woman's head found on a beach.. copper said "it's like solving a jigsaw puzzle". WTF – like "hey, anyone got a piece with the body on it?"

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gbee:

was a little tasteless of him

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justinh:

ajh: suspect it might be as simple as not clearing a buffer on stopping. had other player software exit oddly like that

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ajh:

it's a myth only box, but I'll be trying that.

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Saviq:

hmm guys, what do I do on a frontend only machine to have it connect to the master backend (apart from setting the .mythtv/config.xml)?

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Saviq:

it connects to the database fine, but then tries to connect to localhost:6543 to the backend

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justinh:

Saviq: sure it connects to the mysql server fine?

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Saviq:

yes

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justinh:

Saviq: and is the backend bound to 127.0.0.1 or the machine's real IP address?

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Saviq:

real IP

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justinh:

did you restart the backend after changing it?

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Saviq:

yes

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justinh:

don't believe ya!

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Saviq:

MasterServerIP is set to localhost, though

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Saviq:

in the db

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justinh:

shouldn't be

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ajh:

yeah, I think alsa's fubared

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justinh:

both IPs need to be set to the machine's real IP address

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ajh:

and wow totem/gstreamer decoding is slow

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justinh:

is there anything totem can play?

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justinh:

;)

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gbee:

debian rules what exactly?

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ajh:

yeah, every audio player is doing t

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ajh:

ok, reboot it is. :(

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directhex|work:

gbee, all it sees. duh

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justinh:

debian rules, but sedimentary rocks!

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Dibblah:

justinh: Ugh.

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justinh:

just playing on the misuse of the word 'rocks' as a verb

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Dibblah:

Yes, I understood.

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Dibblah:

I'm afraid I didn't really appreciate it, however.

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** Dibblah has welding to do, but is prevaricating :( **

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Dibblah:

"I'll just make a spice rack for that waste-of-space blanking plate in the kitchen" wasn't one of my most inspired ideas.

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justinh:

I have a new garden gate to build tomorrow :)

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justinh:

and fence panelling to repair. o fun!

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Dibblah:

I think welding wins, power-tool wise.

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Dibblah:

Unless you need to replace your posts, of course.

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justinh:

never welded anything in my life. no overriding desire to eithr

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directhex|work:

weldy

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justinh:

sudo svn export file:///home/juski/svnwork/themes/glass-wide

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justinh:

arse!

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purserj:

you svn under sudo?

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justinh:

my own user doesnt have write privs on the nfsroot dir ;)

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purserj:

ah

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arekkusu:

Hello ! I am new to mythtv and I am trying to set it up on Ubuntu 8.04 Beta (I am using the provided package and the mythbuntu control center)

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arekkusu:

the problem is when I run mythtv-setup... I do get the normal mythtv screen however I can't control it from the keyboard (mouse seems to work but as there is no cursor...)

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arekkusu:

here is what I get in the console:ã€€http://pastebin.com/m7950fb18

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arekkusu:

It's complaining about lirc... any help appreciated

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directhex|work:

arekkusu, none of those messages are out of the ordinary

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arekkusu:

Ok... still I can't control the interface with the keyboard so there has to be something wrong

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joomla_user:

any chess for mythtv?

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hadees:

can you make MythTV only record the HD version of a show? I have the Food Network and Food Network HD, for channels that show the exact same thing I usually change the station call signs to be the same but keep the different scheduel direct ids

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hadees:

but for this one show on Food Network I only want to record HD versions of the show so i can store them later

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justinh:

joomla_user: hiya Rambo3 :D

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joomla_user:

Hi

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joomla_user:

almost got banned from here yesterday by iamlindoro

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dburr_work:

Why is XvMC not recommended for HD? For me, it works great except for when the OSD is showing. I have tried *everything* to try and fix it but I'm at a wits end.

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GreyFoxx:

dburr_work: Because for many users XvMC is very flaky

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GreyFoxx:

So we generally try not to encourage users to use it :)

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GreyFoxx:

The xvmc+stuttery OSD is common though

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directhex|work:

and it's only for yanks with crappy toy codecs

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dburr_work:

XvMC has been working great for me for many months. I thought that the problem was having an underpowered GPU but I upgraded my 6200 to a 7600GT and it's exactly the same!

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dburr_work:

By problem I mean OSD stutter problem

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joomla_user:

overheating can be the problem

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dburr_work:

We Aussies get MPEG2 OTA as well

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GreyFoxx:

dburr_work: try the Chromakey OSD ? thought that didn't suffer from the stutter problem

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GreyFoxx:

but the softblended OSD does

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dburr_work:

Chromakey says that it is only for 5xxx series cards

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh ok

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dburr_work:

I have tried every problem of xv-blit/xvmc-opengl + ia44blend/chromakey and nothing has helped

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dburr_work:

I've also tried setting XVidoBlitterSyncToBlank, etc in nvidia settings

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dburr_work:

And also UseEvents, XvmcUsesTextures, etc in xorg.conf

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justinh:

joomla_user: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Feature_Wishlist

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J-e-f-f-A:

directhex|work: Hey – finally getting around to updating my X-box to 0.21... What os are you running, Xebian?

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dburr_work:

And overheating isn't the problem because the problem happens at power up time

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directhex|work:

J-e-f-f-A, the xbox doesn't have enough ram for linux. i use xbmc

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joomla_user:

I use mediaportal with chess game . don't have need for myth right now , just trolling here from time to time. I dont like mediaportal 2 so i think ill change when they stop supporting v 1.0

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J-e-f-f-A:

directhex|work: Humm... Ok, thanks. is XBMC a fully-featured frontend, with commercial skipping too?

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directhex|work:

J-e-f-f-A, natie myth support is only in svn xvmc, and commercial skipping is one feature it lacks

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J-e-f-f-A:

directhex|work: Ok, thanks... I guess I'll stick with Xebian and 0.21 then... ;-) (Had it running 0.20 for a year or more... A bit slow booting, and while swapping to disk, but usable overall...)

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directhex|work:

J-e-f-f-A, not much use for playing xbox games

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directhex|work:

and xbmc puts mythvideo to shame

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J-e-f-f-A:

directhex|work: I don't follow you — you can still boot up an xbox game, just can't do 'xbox live'... ;-) Besides, my son's got his own xbox for games...

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J-e-f-f-A:

directhex|work: Yeah, I'm sure about MythVideo — but it's not that bad... ;-) You should see the crappy implementation that "Sky Angel" just went to with their IPTV box.. yuck...

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justinh:

xbmc stinks of file browser

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justinh:

unless they've changed it a lot since the last time I installed a dodgy compilation of it

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directhex|work:

xbmc has a lovely library

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justinh:

ahh fond memories of upsetting someone at LRL last year when I told him you had to build the xbox version with robbed software

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justinh:

as if to prove the point, the box he had was fully loaded with pirate videos

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DustyBin:

justinh: are you actually using a mac mini for your frontend now?

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justinh:

considering that I don't (yet) own one that'd be tricky

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DustyBin:

ok

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justinh:

not sure it'd be worth waxing 400 quid on something I spend on average less than an hour a day using

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DustyBin:

uk hd freeview next year!

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justinh:

bollocks!

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DustyBin:

haha i was waiting something along those lines lol

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justinh:

squashing everything that was once on Mux A onto the other muxes!

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justinh:

pushing picture quality & signal robustness down!

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justinh:

progress!

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DustyBin:

its better than nothing i guess

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justinh:

DVB-S, anyone? :)

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justinh:

making existing services crap is not better than nothing

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DustyBin:

dvb-s = a big sat dish in ones garden

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DustyBin:

= pissed off neighbours

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justinh:

60cm != large in satellite dish terms

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DustyBin:

same size as a sky dish?

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justinh:

bigger

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justinh:

bigger than a minidish anyway

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DustyBin:

ok

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justinh:

benefit being, no fade when there's weather

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justinh:

been at a mate's house watching Sly Plus when suddenly the recording jumps "oh yeah it was raining that night"

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DustyBin:

how would you grab all the tv listings for dvd-s ?

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justinh:

ffs

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justinh:

same way I do for dvb-t

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DustyBin:

not good

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justinh:

xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv :D

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DustyBin:

xmltv

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DustyBin:

ok

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DustyBin:

dvd-s HD will be a higher resolution than UK freeview HD ?

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justinh:

it'll do til we get our EIT monkeys changed

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justinh:

likely higher bitrates

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DustyBin:

ok

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justinh:

SDTV over DVB-S is already higher bitrate than DVB-T

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DustyBin:

cost: new dish, reciever, setup

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DustyBin:

new tv card

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justinh:

I'm just appalled OFCOM are even advocating reducing bandwidth on already cramped services

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directhex|work:

justinh, AFAIK the reverse is true

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justinh:

directhex|work: shurely shome mishtake?

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Dibblah:

Yeah, -t is higher bitrate.

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directhex|work:

http://forums.hexus.net/1381977-post12.html

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Dibblah:

By some margin.

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directhex|work:

"Film4 544x576 @ 2.2Mpbs on Sky, Freeview is 720x576 @3.2Mbps"

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justinh:

fucking hell

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DustyBin:

dvb-s also holds the possibilty of better 'adult' channels :P

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directhex|work:

DustyBin, yes! point at hotbird6!

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justinh:

ahh well. guess I'll start reading a lot more then

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Dibblah:

DustyBin: Only if you're a really bad porn magnet.

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justinh:

screw HDTV

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Dibblah:

Hm. That could do with bracketing.

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DustyBin:

lol

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Dibblah:

Only if you're a (really bad porn) magnet.

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justinh:

freeview is already fucking legovision – so freesat is worse? pfft

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justinh:

then again if the broadcasters all had better encoders..

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directhex|work:

justinh, did you see that US HDTV comparison i linked a few days ago?

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justinh:

BBC3 has a lower bitrate than bBC2 yet stuff on there looks better than on BBC2

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justinh:

directhex|work: nope

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directhex|work:

justinh, prepare to weep: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271

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Dibblah:

How do I get the streaminfo from a h.264 recording? Bitrate, specifically...

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directhex|work:

Dibblah, it's VBR, so easier said than done...

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directhex|work:

Dibblah, filesize / length!

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justinh:

weep? laugh, more like

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directhex|work:

justinh, srsly, that's what passes for HD in america

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Dibblah:

A Robin Hood off BBC HD is 6.7Gb.

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justinh:

jeebys

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justinh:

same thing in SD was about 2Gb

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directhex|work:

http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/force.php?file=. . . . hd.h.264.png versus http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm314/ilovehdtv/MHD/Red Hot Chili Peppers Live in Milan/1080/Comcast-MHD-RedHotChiliPeppersLivei.png

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directhex|work:

it's super HD, guys!

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Dibblah:

directhex|bsp: You're not kidding.

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Dibblah:

1440x1080 resolution.

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Dibblah:

h264.

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directhex|work:

Dibblah, just look at both pictures for a second

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directhex|work:

Dibblah, then depending on where you live, laugh or burst out crying

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clever:

god is that horid

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hashbang:

ick

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hashbang:

the RHCP is quarter-PAL blown up to HD.

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directhex|work:

hashbang, aye. but the discovery pics aren't much better

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directhex|work:

hashbang, it's obviously low res stuff with terrible scaling for the RHCP

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hashbang:

directhex|bsp: and, as the original post points out, some horrible colour depth quantization

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Drewgrange:

I'm having problems with an ivtv card. It works when I do cat and watch the file in mplayer, but I get the following error message when I try to tune to it in mythtv (I've confirmed that it is pointing to the correct device): RingBuf(/storage/movies/mythtv/3007_20080404111507.mpg): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/storage/movies/mythtv/3007_20080404111507.mpg'.

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dburr_work:

Drewgrange: Is that coming over NFS?

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Drewgrange:

no, the the backend and frontend are on the same computer

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iamlindoro__:

Permissions-- directory should be owned by your backend user and r/w

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Drewgrange:

I will check, but I would think that the permissions are fine. I can view HD channels with my pcHDTV card, but not my analog channels with the ivtv

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Drewgrange:

yes, it's owned and r/w by user mythtv

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dburr_work:

Drewgrange: Do you have multiple FEs and/or BEs? I remember seeing a problem like that where I had the wrong hostname in the recordings table

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Drewgrange:

dburr_work: not that I know of, unless one got set up by accident. where would i check the hostname at? Maybe that got messed up for that tuner?

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dburr_work:

Try 'select hostname from recorded;' in your database

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dburr_work:

IIRC I saw the problem when I didn't have a setting for the "Master Backend Host" or whatever it is

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dburr_work:

Ah yes, MasterServerIP. What do you get from: select * from settings where value='MasterServerIP';

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Drewgrange:

well, I checked in the mythfrontend settings and the hostname seems to be set correctly to localhost

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Saviq:

guys, I can't get anything recorded on my backend, it fails to write anything... here's the mythbackend log http://pastebin.ca/971162

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Drewgrange:

im not really sure how to check what you just posted though.. sorry, I've never messed around any with the database stuff

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Saviq:

I'm on gentoo, mythtv 0.21, local storage

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dburr_work:

Drewgrange: type this at your command prompt: mysql -u root -p mythconverg

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dburr_work:

Then your database password

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dburr_work:

Then the SQL command

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Drewgrange:

MasterServerIP, Data: 127.0.0.1, Hostname: NULL

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defaultro:

does anyone have a psp and has configured it as mythtv client?

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dburr_work:

Drewgrange: That looks good then. Have you checked the "Always stream video" option in Settings -> TV Playback?

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Drewgrange:

that is selected

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Drewgrange:

i turned it off and get the same error though

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Drewgrange:

im looking at the file mythtv is creating, and it's 0 bytes

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dburr_work:

Then it sounds like you have a recording error, not a playback problem

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dburr_work:

Anything in mythbackend.log?

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Drewgrange:

hmm.. as I said earlier I can cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg and watch the resulting file. I'll check the log

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Drewgrange:

2008-04–04 11:43:41.770 TVRec(3) Error: Need MPEG recorder, but compiled without MPEG support!

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Drewgrange:

looks like i need to check my flags

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iamlindoro__:

yup

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iamlindoro__:

you have -ivtv (I assume you are using gentoo, at least it seems that way)

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iamlindoro__:

you need ivtv support for it work

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Drewgrange:

must be a new flag? It's always worked fine in the past.. actually it looks like that flag is forced disabled in the latest version for some reason.. might have to revert to an older version

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iamlindoro__:

the ivtv configure options has been there for a lonnnnnggggg time-- don't know anything about cflags in gentoo thoguh

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justinh:

ROFLMAO http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . p;highlight=

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defaultro:

has anyone used locationfree on PSP to connect to mythtv?

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iamlindoro__:

I believe locationfree is 100% proprietary-- I don't see that ever interfacing with Myth

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iamlindoro__:

justinh, It's our stateside equivalent of the *cough* iPlayer plugin

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Dagmar:

Since Sony sells the software, you can pretty much count on it being 100% proprietary.

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justinh:

wherever you go, your home entertainment will follow – in low resolution block-o-vision :)

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Dagmar:

It's actually not that bad.

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iamlindoro__:

cat /dev/video1 > http://www.youtube.com/

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Dagmar:

The bloody screen *is* only 480x272 on the PSP, but, it's about the size of the palm of your hand so it doesn't really have a chance to get blocky

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justinh:

mythweb's streaming isn't that bad either, even on my crappy upload pipe

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justinh:

placeshifting is all very Zzzzzzz though IMHO

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GreyFoxx:

Dual inputs on the HD PVR!

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GreyFoxx:

nice!

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iamlindoro__:

!!

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, link?

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GreyFoxx:

Actually I might be jumping the gun...maybe one of them is an output since I see a remote too

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iamlindoro__:

MOAR PICTUREZ

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GreyFoxx:

http://brentevans.blogspot.com/2008/04/hauppa . . . -photos.html

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iamlindoro__:

ah, yeah, that's passthrough

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GreyFoxx:

yeah I'm likely assuming too much... if it's gotta a remote it's likely one of thos is an output

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justinh:

might just be a bufferred loop

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GreyFoxx:

I'd prefer it was dual in

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GreyFoxx:

I'd be on it like flies on sh*t

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iamlindoro__:

you and me both!

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iamlindoro__:

Although I'll be on it anyway :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

directhex|work: ugh... looks like mythvideo and mythmusic aren't updated for xebian/xbox... still showing 0.20... oh well...

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: I have a hard time justifying $200+ for a single input right now

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GreyFoxx:

if it's dual I'll buy 1

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: esp. having seen some grabs of what the USA calls 'HD'

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, IIRC it was supposed to have passthrough, so my assumption right now is that that's what it is

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justinh:

even the 'good' pics aren't that impressive IMHO. not worth shelling out for a higher res. screen which is actually inferior to my CRT in so many other ways

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GreyFoxx:

ok, confirmed it's passthroughs

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Drewgrange:

compression,, what compression? we don't compress our HD streams at all! :)

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** iamlindoro__ intends to stalk hauppauge.com until the pre-order page goes up today **

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justinh:

wowser. hvr1800 is worky in linux – the digital side at any rate

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justinh:

PCI-E dual tuner

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: I just zoomed in the pic of the back, absolutely no markings whatsoever on any of the ports...

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: likely a photo of a prototype

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iamlindoro__:

<points at mkrufky> J'accuse!

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cyrus__:

Can you record satellite signals with Myth? I was reading a document that said you have to use a set top box since the signal is encrypted and you have to record inbetween the conversion and when it is sent out to the TV?

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justinh:

cyrus__: in Europe, yay you can. in the USA you need to go via a set top box

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GreyFoxx:

cyrus__: You can record unencrypted signal with a dvb-s card, or using an analog tuner on the back of a stb for encrypted channels

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justinh:

but what there is worth watching unencrypted, you can count on the fingers of one hand :)

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GreyFoxx:

in other parts of the world you can buy a cam to record and decrypt the original signal with a dvbs card

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justinh:

in Europe, the channels worth watching (never mind encrypted) can be counted on the fingers of two hands

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iamlindoro__:

*grumble* Comcast rolled out SciFi HD in Salt Lake City today... Now even the *mormons* have SFHD and I don't

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cyrus__:

GreyFoxx – not sure what a dvb-s card is. SO you are basically saying you can't record the signal in its digial form, only in analog

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justinh:

iamlindoro__: wouldn't worry about it too much. in the UK they showed Heroes – letterboxed in 4:3 :(

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iamlindoro__:

justinh, Yeah, I heard about that, ewww... on the up side you only had to see 60% of it's shittiness

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justinh:

cyrus__: that's right – you can't use encrypted satellite TV in the USA & put it directly into mythtv in digital form

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro__: sorry, missed ur msg, but im stepping out to lunch... bb in a few hours ;-)

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justinh:

wonder how many more ways this can be said..

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iamlindoro__:

only poking at you anyway, mkrufky-away

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cyrus__:

justinh – but if I bought a product (I have directtv) from DirectTV (their stb) I could right?

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cyrus__:

sorry, just tryign to understand the whole DVR world

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GreyFoxx:

cyrus__: The stb from the sat company doesn't export a recordable digital signal

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GreyFoxx:

so you can't get it's original form that way

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GreyFoxx:

just an analog recording from the stb's outputs

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GreyFoxx:

But yes if you used a directtv brand dvr it would be the original signal

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, I'm just reading that Rogers is going to mash your HD signals down to nothingness on the 9th

[16:29:45]

GreyFoxx:

you just want to deal with the crappier options and interface

[16:29:54]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: I'm not on rogers ;)

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iamlindoro__:

good good

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GreyFoxx:

Eastlink rocks

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cyrus__:

okay..thanks guys

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FinnTux:

hey guys. I have a huge problem. wife is gonna hang me soon...

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cyrus__:

one more quick one, how much noticable difference would there be in the quality of the digial signal vs the analog

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justinh:

cyrus__: noticable, but not huge

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: 15mbit downloads (and I get them regularly), 150 clear qam digital channels incluing 90video and 60 music, and all channels on the settop boxes avialable via firewire including all hdtv

[16:31:32]

justinh:

nothing like the difference between direct & S-VHS even

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** iamlindoro__ moves in next to GreyFoxx **

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FinnTux:

some recordings die prematurely. Does "Error: Stream handler died unexpectedly." say anything?

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** justinh would interpret that message as meaning that the stream handler died unexpectedly **

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justinh:

ivtv problem maybe?

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FinnTux:

you read between the lines?

[16:32:23]

FinnTux:

dvb-t

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FinnTux:

pinnacle 300i card. signal is pretty good

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justinh:

ugh. a reason not to buy pinnacle?

[16:33:08]

FinnTux:

17 EUR a piece it wasn't that bad

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justinh:

ouch

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FinnTux:

including delivery from germany...

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justinh:

you say the signal is 'pretty good' – myth needs a solid signal or it tends to just fall over

[16:34:00]

FinnTux:

but seriously...any idea what might cause it?

[16:34:37]

justinh:

at best, signal quality problems. at worst, driver issues

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justinh:

or maybe the channel it was recording moved PIDs at an inopportune moment

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FinnTux:

2008-04–03 22:04:23.186 DVBRec(2:4): PID 0x240 discontinuity detected

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FinnTux:

<- I suppose this is bad signal

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justinh:

DVB-T, although free from analogue signal problems – is prone to all kinds of interference which didn't bother analogue much

[16:36:07]

justinh:

scooters, hair dryers, light switches, fluorescent lighting... DECT phones..

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justinh:

PCs

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iamlindoro__:

Stern looks

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justinh:

wind (!)

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justinh:

FinnTux: what kind of stats does tzap shoot out?

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FinnTux:

hang on a sec...

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justinh:

give it a good long run & look for blips

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FinnTux:

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justinh:

FinnTux: try it across all the muxes you can tune

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justinh:

hell, might even be something really sporadic like a passing taxi radio

[16:39:14]

FinnTux:

I live so far in the countryside that taxi is a rare thing here :)

[16:39:27]

FinnTux:

well, maybe when I'm coming home from bar...

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justinh:

maybe a mobile phone – when they're further away from a cell they crank up the power output a lot

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justinh:

s/cell/mast

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FinnTux:

hmm actually it might be the signal after all

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justinh:

pretty easy to overwhelm an RF stage in a tuner ;)

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iamlindoro__:

MOAR DBZ

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justinh:

more databases? what friggin good will that do?

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iamlindoro__:

Decibelzzzzzzz

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justinh:

ahhh. LOUDERZ

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FinnTux:

ber == 300 is bad?

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** justinh cranks up the doof doof doof **

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Saviq:

guys, I can't get anything recorded on my backend, it fails to write anything... here's the mythbackend log http://pastebin.ca/971162

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Saviq:

I'm on gentoo, mythtv 0.21, local storage

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iamlindoro__:

At the tone the time will be %T, $MYTHISBROKENHERESHOW

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justinh:

hmmm fails to write anything. that's very unusual except when the backend doesn't have permission to write to the directory/directories where it's been told to record to

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justinh:

Client speaks protocol version 31 but we speak 40 – incompatible versions of mythtv going on there

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iamlindoro__:

.20 and .21 enter, one man leaves, there can be only one

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justinh:

speaking of leaving.. I'll be back when there's more clue

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tjcarter:

cesman: LOL

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gbee:

Saviq: mythbackend --version mythfrontend --version

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tjcarter:

cesman: I just saw your news posting checking to see if you'd finished a 0.21 release yet.

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Saviq:

gbee: that particular try was with gmyth-cat, as I'm installing my new frontend atm...

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Saviq:

I'll try with the frontend set up properly

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hadees:

i love frys i just bought 3 different $20 firewire cards so i can figure out which one will work with my digital cable boxes then i'll just return the other two.

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cva:

One of the channels in my area did an "upgrade" that has made it's HD channel unwatchable. However, if I capture the raw feed, I can play it back just fine. While I'm typically a geek, I'm definitely an end user when it comes to HDTV. When I run atscpackets on that channel, I do not get a continuous flow of data as I do with the other channels. Since I'm not sure exactly what I'm seeing, I'm rather hesitant to call then on it. I have sent ...

[17:22:27]

cva:

... emails without reply to the engineers. I'm not alone with this issue. http://boisehd.tv/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/59160703 . . . 5#8041024135

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iamlindoro__:

I blame Larry Craig

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hadees:

cva, is this over QAM?

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cva:

I'm trying to decifer the atscpackets someone so don't sound completely stupid when I call them

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cva:

OTA

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hadees:

ah then nm

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cva:

Thanks

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hadees:

in my area Time Warner seems to randomly enable the encryption flag even though the channels aren't actually encrypted

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iamlindoro__:

Channels *aren't* encrypted, programs are

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cva:

Ah, well I'm using a pchdtv card, so no encryption bit

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iamlindoro__:

That's why it seems random

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hadees:

iamlindoro__, interesting still a pain in the ass

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cva:

In the link I sent, there is mention of the same issue with a station in Denver, but no resolution

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iamlindoro__:

hadees, definitely

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cva:

something about PMT discontinuity or multiple streams

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hadees:

which brings me to my next question is there anyway to figure out if a channel is watchable over QAM? if i let mythtv search for channels i don't always get them all because either i let it look for encrypted and i get way way too many channels or if i don't let it i never get my channels. I know i get the Discovery Channel over QAM unencrypted but for the life of me i can't figure out which channel it is in mythtv

[17:27:41]

hadees:

but i did notice MythTV gives me an error when i try to view encrypted content

[17:28:02]

hadees:

so i need something like that which would try to tune to it and see if it works

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hadees:

or something

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hadees:

aside from going through almost 100 channels i can't watch i don't know what to do

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cva:

if anyone had a look at the link I sent, and can tell me if it shows any errors, I'd appreciate it

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GlemSom:

If I choose i overlap two recordings on the same channel by 3 minutes (because on this channel – the programs does not start the exact time). How can I make mythtv just use one tuner for that? (Currently it wants to use two tuners – eventough both recordings are on ONE channel only...)

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iamlindoro__:

GlemSom, the short answer is that you cannot-- there was a branch of MythTV called mythtv-softpad for just that functionality, but it's never become a part of trunk AFAIK and I don't think it's worked on any more

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gbee:

GlemSom: why use per-rule padding? If you used global padding then it would behave as you want

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GlemSom:

gbee, Uhhm – I don't know what that is... Could you point me in the right direction?

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gbee:

GlemSom: under tv settings there is a page which lists two settings "Time to record before start of show (in seconds)" and "Time to record past end of show (in seconds)"

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gbee:

those offsets are treated as optional – i.e. Apply them only if it doesn't cause conflicts

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gbee:

the per recording rule offsets are considered as 'hard rules', they cannot be ignored even if it causes conflicts

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mkrufky:

justinh: both analog and digital sides of hvr1800 work in linux

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro__: pre-order page today?!?

[17:48:35]

GlemSom:

gbee, ahh ok... Will that work if the recording is being set from mythweb aswell?

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, That's what the intarwebs are saying, I believe nothing

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** mkrufky investigates **

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gbee:

GlemSom: yes, those rules are applied to every recording by default

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GlemSom:

gbee, Thanks! :D

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mkrufky:

ok, i was just told that i can find that answer from only 1 person

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gbee:

of course if you are using a DVB/ATSC with 0.21 it's not such a big issue as you've more tuners :)

[17:49:56]

mkrufky:

(whom i do not want to speak with right now this second)

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, naw, it either shows up or it doesn't, either way we've got pitchers!

[17:50:23]

mkrufky:

??

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mkrufky:

show me

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iamlindoro__:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/04/04/hauppaug . . . coming-soon/

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mkrufky:

ha!

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mkrufky:

LOL

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** mkrufky brb **

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iamlindoro__:

hehe

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** iamlindoro__ wonders if the big fat red button on the front is the "turbo" button like on his old 386SX **

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iamlindoro__:

But it kinda just looks like an IR eye w/ red tape over it

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tjcarter:

d... does that thing have TWO INPUTS!?

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mkrufky:

ok,

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tjcarter:

=D =D =D

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iamlindoro__:

passthrough

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mkrufky:

i do not have the answer,. but i will post here when i do

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iamlindoro__:

nice, thanks

[17:53:59]

mkrufky:

and yes — passthru

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mkrufky:

and its not a big red button

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tjcarter:

aww

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tjcarter:

=(

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iamlindoro__:

Yeah, I figured ;)

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mkrufky:

(its a piece of red tape, lol)

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tjcarter:

if it had two inputs, I would be much bouncy.

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** iamlindoro__ points at the bit where he called it red tape **

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tjcarter:

$500 for two inputs = maybe not yet

[17:55:21]

mkrufky:

no, it is NOT red tape, sorry

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mkrufky:

but there's nothing behind that red thing, so i dunno

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mkrufky:

the ir sensors are to its left

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iamlindoro__:

based on the curious lack of branding, I supposed this was a prototype anyway

[17:56:25]

mkrufky:

there only _are_ prototypes

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mkrufky:

and i think i may have just "crossed the line"

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** mkrufky shuts up **

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iamlindoro__:

awww

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jams:

kinda looks like fisher-price made it

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tjcarter:

mkrufky: that's hardly surprising

[17:57:18]

tjcarter:

mkrufky: and not really a trade secret at this point

[17:57:18]

iamlindoro__:

well to be fair someone let out all this information, so you're probably in the clear

[17:57:39]

mkrufky:

so far on this site i dont see any secrets

[17:57:41]

iamlindoro__:

(Not saying you have to say more, just that you're probably not saying anything that hasn't been said)

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tjcarter:

iamlindoro__: standard practice. They wouldn't have anything but prototypes yet.

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iamlindoro__:

tjcarter, Why are you telling me that? I'm not confused.

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mkrufky:

what do you think of that plastic, anyway?

[17:58:15]

tjcarter:

not until you're ready to crank out lots of them =D

[17:58:44]

tjcarter:

mkrufky: it looks suitable

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, s'aright... It'll all live in the closet, anyway-- It's not the form factor I expected but who cares about that

[17:59:11]

tjcarter:

small componentish, stackable it looks like?

[17:59:46]

mkrufky:

i think it could be better

[17:59:56]

mkrufky:

i would actually be happier if it were wider and flatter

[18:00:06]

mkrufky:

ie: less height, more width

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tjcarter:

mkrufky: can you say anything about the kind of USB bus bandwidth this uses?

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iamlindoro__:

I expected something roughly PVR-USB ish

[18:00:17]

mkrufky:

very little usb bandwidth

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mkrufky:

< 15 mbps

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mkrufky:

er, wait...

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mkrufky:

it could be as high as 25 mbps

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tjcarter:

so stacking a few of these on one hub is legal and you won't wish you hadn't

[18:00:53]

mkrufky:

but....... if you're going to use it @ 25 mbps, then why bother with an h264 encoder?

[18:01:24]

tjcarter:

1080i isn't small resolution

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iamlindoro__:

Not to mention you're recompressing Ewwie-US-HD-Lite

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mkrufky:

at the bitrates that i usually use with it, im always < 15 mbps, usually in the 5–7 range, at 1080i

[18:01:44]

tjcarter:

that's a point iamlindoro

[18:02:23]

tjcarter:

I wish I could prioritize inputs by channel more effectively

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tjcarter:

combination of SD and Myth make that nontrivial

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** tjcarter has that problem with FW now **

[18:04:43]

tjcarter:

I can make a firewire input, but it'll only tune 7 channels

[18:05:08]

tjcarter:

I can manually delete the other 200 channels, but mythfilldatabase will repopulate them

[18:05:26]

tjcarter:

telling mythfilldatabase not to track lineup changes isn't helpful either

[18:05:44]

tjcarter:

(lineups do change after all)

[18:06:33]

tjcarter:

ideally, I think I'd like to see the ability to specify another lineup on SD using the same program source

[18:06:40]

tjcarter:

SD doesn't presently allow you to do that.

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, think they might ungag you a bit once the product info goes up on the site?

[18:12:02]

mkrufky:

nobody told me not to say anything

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mkrufky:

i am not gagged

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mkrufky:

i am keeping quiet for my own protection

[18:12:13]

mkrufky:

i am a linux developer

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iamlindoro__:

ah, yah

[18:12:24]

mkrufky:

and i dont want my company to be afraid to trust a linux developer with information

[18:12:38]

mkrufky:

as i see it, it is safe to keep quiet when i dont know what is cool to say and what isnt

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iamlindoro__:

yeah, that makes perfect sense, I understand

[18:12:48]

Anduin:

tjcarter: You can tell mythfilldatabase not to do that (the wiki has instructions for using the same lineup source for multiple lineups with subsets)

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mkrufky:

meanwhile..... i really dont think that there are many secrets left about this thing......... apart from some few

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iamlindoro__:

Well, there *is* one thing I'm dying to know, but I suppose it can wait

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iamlindoro__:

I want to know if you the h.264 chip might be used w/ ffmpeg/mencoder/etc. as a hardware compression accelerator

[18:15:40]

iamlindoro__:

er, remove superfluous you

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tjcarter:

Anduin: eh? Without removing Myth's ability to know when channels change?

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tjcarter:

Anduin: or has the --remove-new-channels requirement been lifted?

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Anduin:

tjcarter: It hasn't, I don't find it that limiting really.

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mkrufky:

ok ,the rumor is true

[18:22:41]

iamlindoro__:

heh

[18:22:43]

mkrufky:

HD PVR pre-orders begin today

[18:22:49]

tjcarter:

w00t

[18:22:55]

mkrufky:

and i have to go into a meeting about it now

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mkrufky:

brb

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iamlindoro__:

bring back goodies

[18:23:11]

** tjcarter will jump when there's a box that has two of them for $350 next January =D **

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GlemSom:

hmm, I just saw in gentoo that there's a new version of mythtv-0.21 (p16944)... But by the looks of the USE flags it could look like ivtv support has ben removed? (like support for PVR-350) is that true? (Or am I just confused here)

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tjcarter:

;)

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iamlindoro__:

GlemSom, ivtv support hasn't been removed, just change your use flags

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GlemSom:

iamlindoro, According to this it looks like it: http://pastebin.org/27433 (Or am I missing something here)

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iamlindoro__:

GlemSom, So why aren't you just changing the use flags???

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GlemSom:

iamlindoro, I HAVE ivtv in my useflags

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iamlindoro__:

you have MINUS ivtv

[18:30:20]

GlemSom:

No I don't

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iamlindoro__:

(-ivtv%*)

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** tjcarter contemplates MythTV fuse for making human-readable recordings directories out of storage groups **

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GlemSom:

yeap – that's what I mean by the useflag ivtv isn't used anymore... my make.conf file -> http://pastebin.org/27434

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tjcarter:

the basic stuff is probably already there with djmount

[18:32:28]

tjcarter:

assuming you can get djmount to work ;)

[18:33:04]

iamlindoro__:

GlemSom, Then build it yourself-- MythTV most certainly *does* still have ivtv support, as it always has-- if an ebuild is broken or whatever, then that's for #gentoo

[18:33:41]

GlemSom:

Ok, thanks!: )

[18:34:09]

tjcarter:

GlemSom: remember, Ubuntu is an ancient African word that means "sick of recompiling Gentoo"

[18:34:22]

tjcarter:

</troll>

[18:34:53]

GlemSom:

tjcarter, hehe! :P

[18:35:22]

GlemSom:

tjcarter, I thought Ubuntu was "for the people" or something like that :)

[18:35:59]

tjcarter:

GlemSom: it also apparently means "Can't install Debian" and "Fedora makes me self-injurious"

[18:36:01]

iamlindoro__:

GlemSom, If I had to guess, and I'm not a Gentoo user, I'd say that there is something that supercedes the make.conf files

[18:36:12]

iamlindoro__:

GlemSom, /etc/portage/package.use?

[18:36:30]

GlemSom:

iamlindoro, I've doublechecked that file... And I don't have anything mythtv related there

[18:37:13]

GlemSom:

Well, I might wait a couble of days upgrading then :)

[18:37:27]

tjcarter:

iamlindoro: the ebuild itself not using ivtv to control anything suggests two possibilities: ebuild maintainer has removed ivtv as an option (it's now required) or maintainer has removed ivtv as an option (upgrade to QAM, bitch!)

[18:37:34]

GlemSom:

I can live without the program working a bit longer :P

[18:37:51]

iamlindoro__:

Either way, boo to packages

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iamlindoro__:

and ebuilds and other tomfoolery

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** tjcarter is gonna redo his Mythbox when 0.21 KM is released **

[18:39:09]

GlemSom:

iamlindoro__, yeah – maybe I should just go back to LFS again :P haven't used it much since 4.1 tough :)

[18:39:29]

** iamlindoro__ kicks Gentoo right in the vagina **

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tjcarter:

assuming I can get the mac frontend to build anyway.. The last I tried, a clean, pristine, nothing laying around build didn't and this is apparently my fault because I don't have a previous partial build to reuse (because I never save those since the way to get it to work is usually to NOT have those contaminants...)

[18:40:23]

tjcarter:

If I grokked perl, I'd rewrite the osxpackager script

[18:40:52]

tjcarter:

it usually doesn't fail on mythtv's account, it usually breaks on something like mysql or Qt

[18:40:59]

tjcarter:

Usually Qt, but mysql last time

[18:41:23]

hadees:

i'm trying to setup firewire now, i have them daisy chained but when i run plugreport i'm not sure if this is what i'm supposed to be seeing. http://pastebin.ca/971409

[18:41:35]

hadees:

i don't think its right

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iamlindoro__:

looks normal

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iamlindoro__:

each of those nodes is one of your boxes, that's all standard

[18:42:15]

hadees:

iamlindoro, really? ah, i thought those were the firewire ports

[18:42:27]

hadees:

man i feel like a mythtv newbie again

[18:42:33]

iamlindoro__:

nope, if you unplugged the boxes then all three would look like the last entry

[18:43:01]

iamlindoro__:

just follow the firewire page in the wiki to the letter, you'll get it

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hadees:

iamlindoro__, k thanks

[18:43:27]

iamlindoro__:

np

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hadees:

the worst part of this setup is i am going to have to disconnect these boxes and attach them back to my tv on tuesday because the cable company has to come back out and fix my low signal

[18:44:50]

AngryElf:

what's the status of recording HD from a cable box over firewire? i bet this would be unencrypted channels only?

[18:45:03]

hadees:

AngryElf, depends on your cable provider

[18:45:09]

AngryElf:

depends on what

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hadees:

what they want to give you

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iamlindoro__:

AngryElf, Well, it's anything that the cable box allows to be transmitted via firewire-- that often differs from what is in the Clear via QAM

[18:45:25]

AngryElf:

e.g. what is actually coming out of that firewire port?

[18:45:44]

iamlindoro__:

I get 70 or so via QAM, and everything via firewire-- it's a crapshoot until you try

[18:45:54]

AngryElf:

ok, what about the myth end — what's the setup process like?

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iamlindoro__:

as simple/difficult as setting up any other capture card

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hadees:

iamlindoro__, every time you say you get 70 over QAM i want to hit you

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hadees:

i get 6

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** iamlindoro__ hugz his mythbox **

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hadees:

what really sucks is i know i have Discovery over QAM but i can't seem to find it with mythtv

[18:47:43]

AngryElf:

does the firewire connection tune the cable box to the right channel?

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AngryElf:

or do you have to use a IR blaster?

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hadees:

people do it both ways

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iamlindoro__:

Firewire does the channel changing

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iamlindoro__:

(in my case)

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AngryElf:

iamlindoro__: so you get 70+ channels over firewire?

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hadees:

i've heard sometimes firewire tuning doesn't always work very well, like dropping numbers

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hadees:

AngryElf, QAM =/= Firewire

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iamlindoro__:

AngryElf, I get 70 via QAM, I get 400+ via firewire

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iamlindoro__:

hadees, I've never ever had it drop a number

[18:49:03]

AngryElf:

oh wow — nic

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AngryElf:

hooking my cable directly to my ATSC tv I get like 10 channels, i still dont have an HD cable box

[18:49:33]

hadees:

iamlindoro__, well here is hoping me neither but i've heard of it when i was researching if i was finally going to take the plunge

[18:49:45]

hadees:

iamlindoro__, what box do digital cable box do you have?

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iamlindoro__:

hadees, I would be really surprised if it was true as it's not really IR blasting so much as sending an entire command to the box

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directhex:

i must pack!

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iamlindoro__:

hadees, One DCH-3200 and one DCH-3416

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hadees:

iamlindoro__, proprietary software never ceases to surprise me with what bullshit they do.

[18:51:39]

iamlindoro__:

hadees, yeah, I can't speak for other DVR softwares, but in myth I've never seen any sort of number dropping-- I've found it far more reliable than IR blasting

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hadees:

iamlindoro__, you are the one developing that component recording box? or you know the person who is right? What is the name of that thing so i can keep an eye out for it.

[18:53:48]

hadees:

is there a website?

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directhex:

mkrufky-away.

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iamlindoro__:

hadees, I'm not, but we were talking abtou it and pre-orders start today

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iamlindoro__:

hadees, and yes, it's mkrufky-away who is part of that team

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iamlindoro__:

hadees, read the channel log from today, you'll learn lots of neat stuff :)

[18:54:41]

hadees:

iamlindoro__, is there a site?

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directhex:

iamlindoro__, i'm tired. help me pack.

[18:54:51]

iamlindoro__:

not yet, but possibly/probably later today

[18:55:10]

hadees:

hope the price goes down a bit

[18:55:20]

iamlindoro__:

directhex, K. You'll need four shirts, a thong swimsuit, and sensual massage oil

[18:55:43]

iamlindoro__:

hadees, It's not even released yet, you've probably got a bit of a wait ahead of you on a price drop :)

[18:56:13]

iamlindoro__:

hadees, and for reference it's the "Hauppauge HD-PVR" http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/04/hauppauge- . . . -coming-soon

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hadees:

lol, yeah but $250 can buy me a lot of cheetos

[18:56:40]

hadees:

Hauppauge is developing it?

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iamlindoro__:

yup

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hadees:

interesting

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hadees:

so I guess Hauppauge has really endorsed linux

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hadees:

or are they don't going to give a driver

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iamlindoro__:

Well, they don't write their linux driverrs

[18:57:40]

iamlindoro__:

but they *do* appear to be pretty linux friendly, yes

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iamlindoro__:

There will be a linux driver for the HD-PVR, though, and probably pretty quickly

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hadees:

wow real time H.264 compression

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hadees:

thats why its going to cost $250

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hadees:

but i guess you couldn't do a straight dump like you would with firewire or QAM

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iamlindoro__:

What do you mean? Yes, it's just dumping straight to disk

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iamlindoro__:

Just like any other hardware-encoding capture device

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hadees:

iamlindoro__, HD isn't H.264 though its mpeg2 right?

[19:00:25]

hadees:

that link you sent me said the box will do real time H.264 compression

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iamlindoro__:

HD and the codec used are unrelated

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iamlindoro__:

US broadcast HD is MPEG-2, yes, but HD elsewhere is h.264

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GreyFoxx:

hadees: HD is normally MPEG2, but even US based Sat servies are using H264 for some of it now

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iamlindoro__:

And myth will play h.264 recordings just fine

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GreyFoxx:

I just downloaded an 80meg demo recording

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, I just downloaded that one too :)

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hadees:

i wasn't really worried about mythtv playing, i just thought that might be one reason it costs $250

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iamlindoro__:

It costs $250 because the chips are new, the R&D Effort, and because they can get $250 for it

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GreyFoxx:

2008-04–04 15:59:42.266 [h264 @ 0xb72fa188]Interlaced pictures + spatial direct mode is not implemented

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GreyFoxx:

hehe lots of that :)

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GreyFoxx:

but it played and looked good :)

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, I have some hope that FFMpeg+GSoC will fix that

[19:04:33]

GreyFoxx:

looks really nice

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hadees:

were is the sample recording?

[19:05:25]

GreyFoxx:

wow, first time vlc has failed to play something mythtv could

[19:05:36]

hadees:

vlc failed? wow

[19:05:45]

GreyFoxx:

0.8.5 failed at least

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx, AFAICT you need awfully new mplayer (SVN only, newer than rc2) to make it work properly outside of myth

[19:06:27]

GreyFoxx:

nice to see myth ahead of someone for once ;)

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iamlindoro__:

Am curious (since we've only seen 1080i stuff so far) whether 720p will play back pretty flawlessly since there's no interlacing+Spatial direct

[19:09:38]

iamlindoro__:

I am tendings towards setting it to output 720p only when I get one since I transcode to 720p for archival anyway

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iamlindoro__:

er tending

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GreyFoxx:

I'd rather I prefer anything that avoids the cpu cost of deinterlacing :)

[19:14:46]

directhex:

1080p!

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iamlindoro__:

<CSI> Enhance that for me... </CSI>

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hadees:

as someone who has a degree in Criminal Justice and has done some police work before that show drives me crazy

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mkrufky-away:

umm

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iamlindoro__:

Something I noticed, and Greyfoxx, perhaps you will have too, is that the Moto STBs are better at using the FEC to output a consistent, uncorrupted picture than LibAVCodec is, so in the end the HD-PVR may actually result in a *better* visual

[19:18:17]

mkrufky:

i do linux because i am an obsessed maniac that likes to do this stuff in my spare time

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mkrufky:

my company has nothing to do with it

[19:18:33]

mkrufky:

and they dont pay me for that stuff either

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iamlindoro__:

Yar, we know, that's why we're always treating you to hookers and blow

[19:18:51]

hadees:

mkrufky, they should

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mkrufky:

(but i dont feel guilty on days that i sit around chatting on irc, knowing that i released a driver for product X last night)

[19:19:14]

mkrufky:

hookers and blow? where

[19:19:27]

mkrufky:

;-)

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iamlindoro__:

What, you haven't been going to Mkrufy night at the emperor's club?

[19:19:36]

iamlindoro__:

er mkrufky

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mkrufky:

i think somebody forgot to invite mkrufky

[19:20:01]

iamlindoro__:

Shit, I knew we were missing something

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mkrufky:

lol

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iamlindoro__:

How was your meeting?

[19:20:22]

** iamlindoro__ furiously hits Ctrl-R on hauppauge.com **

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directhex:

i'm gonna start my OWN irc channel. with blackjack. and hookers.

[19:20:27]

mkrufky:

was not at all about what i thought it would be about

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iamlindoro__:

directhex, Oooh, ooh, *invites*

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iamlindoro__:

/join #directhexblackjacknhookers

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directhex:

infact, forget the irc channel

[19:22:13]

mkrufky:

aww, i guess i'll have to give up my ops, then

[19:23:24]

mkrufky:

...anybody with broken diseqc on 2.6.24 wanna test a patch for -stable ?

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mkrufky:

(assuming that everybody deparately wants to test this patch: http://linuxtv.org/~mkrufky/stable/2.6.24.y/0 . . . a-conf.patch )

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iamlindoro__:

Heheh, FIOS putting out spots about how they have "uncompressed" HD... maybe this will shame Comcast into making my AytchDee purty again

[19:31:18]

mkrufky:

uncompressed HD? that sounds rediculous

[19:31:22]

iamlindoro__:

Ooooh, and speaking of AytchDee, Firefly starts up on Universal HD tomorrow, <3

[19:31:49]

iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, yeah, and then they clarify in a press release that *they* aren't compressing it, but merely passing on their feed-- what the hell, I'll take it

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mkrufky:

(lately, any time i hear the word, "rediculous", i think of Dan Faraday in THE CONSTANT)

[19:32:15]

mkrufky:

oh, losers

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mkrufky:

it comes in compressed

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mkrufky:

and they're not compressing it _any further_

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iamlindoro__:

Well, it's disingenuous, but they *are* doing full channel-width as opposed to 3-to-1 on Comcast

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mkrufky:

(must carry regulations do not allow them to compress it any further, anyhow)

[19:32:55]

iamlindoro__:

and I'd love to have that

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro its BS

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mkrufky:

the data is sent to the pole on fiber

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mkrufky:

and there is a modulator on the pole that sends qam to your house

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mkrufky:

there is no qam on the fiber

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mkrufky:

so, channel bandwidth is irrelevant

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, the bitrate of the channel you get on FIOS is substantially higher than the same channel in Comcast

[19:34:20]

mkrufky:

none of this "6 mhz" on fiber

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, I'm aware of that part-- am only speaking of the bitrate

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mkrufky:

what are they doing? interpolating pixels that were not in the original broadcast?

[19:34:55]

mkrufky:

i think its safe to ingore those reports

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iamlindoro__:

Nat Geographic HD averages around 7 Megabit at my house right now... Ew!

[19:35:35]

mkrufky:

u have that channel in the clear?

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iamlindoro__:

via firewire

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hadees:

when i use plugctl what values should i use from plugreport? I tried just doing what the wiki had for a daisy chained firewire connection but test-mpeg2 wasn't ouputing anything, the file stayed at zero bytes.

[19:35:43]

mkrufky:

ah

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iamlindoro__:

hadees, I have *never* had test-mpeg2 work

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hadees:

lol, well i guess i'll skip that part

[19:36:33]

iamlindoro__:

hadees, mostly because I have to use broadcast mode and test-mpeg2 is IIRC peer to peer only

[19:36:47]

hadees:

iamlindoro__, well i'm not sure which mode i should use

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hadees:

i guess if test-mpeg2 doesn't work then it is broadcast for me as well

[19:37:20]

iamlindoro__:

whichever one is completely stable, with a preference towards P2P if both are

[19:37:39]

iamlindoro__:

The firewire-tester will have told you which is right for you

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iamlindoro__:

if you use the parameters for P2P and it fails some of the time, then try broadcast-- if you can get it stable after a few efforts with broadcast, then that's the one to use

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iamlindoro__:

ie, assuming you are testing node 0, firewire-tester -n 0 -p -r 5 (node 0, Peer to peer, try five repeats)

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iamlindoro__:

firewire-tester -n 0 -b -r 5 (node 0, broadcast mdoe, try five repeats)

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iamlindoro__:

firewire-tester -n 0 -B -r 5 (node 0, Broadcast "fix" mode, try five times)

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iamlindoro__:

of those three, if the first works perfectly and succeeds all the time, use P2P, if one or both of the second two work, use broadcast

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hadees:

P2P: Testing...libiec61883 warning: iec61883_cmp_create_p2p_output: Failed to get the oPCR[0] plug for node 2.

[19:40:29]

hadees:

iec61883_cmp_create_p2p_output failed

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hadees:

guess its on to broadcaast

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iamlindoro__:

wait

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iamlindoro__:

why are you trying node 2?

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iamlindoro__:

You don't have anything on node 2, from your plugreport

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hadees:

i tried 0 1 and 2

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hadees:

they all failed

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iamlindoro__:

with that same error?

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hadees:

that gave more errors

[19:41:10]

hadees:

no

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hadees:

0 and 1 gave me P2P: Testing...Failed

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iamlindoro__:

you should see some shenanigans about trying x bytes... failed, etc.

[19:41:33]

iamlindoro__:

ok

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iamlindoro__:

then yes, try broadcast

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iamlindoro__:

start with -b, then try -B

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hadees:

iamlindoro__, they all failed =(

[19:43:33]

iamlindoro__:

all firewire modules installed and modprobed?

[19:43:57]

iamlindoro__:

and the user you're using has permissions to /dev/raw1394?

[19:44:10]

hadees:

http://pastebin.ca/971486

[19:44:23]

hadees:

yeah all the modules are installed and modprobed

[19:44:29]

hadees:

and i'm trying it as root right now

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iamlindoro__:

-n 1 is often not enough...

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iamlindoro__:

er

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iamlindoro__:

sorry

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iamlindoro__:

-r 1

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iamlindoro__:

you need higher repeats, especially when trying to fix broadcast

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iamlindoro__:

try -r 5 and -r 10

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hadees:

10 times for each node 0 and 1 and all failed

[19:46:39]

iamlindoro__:

Ah... well, I suppose it's possible your cable co has screwed you

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iamlindoro__:

It won't succeed on a 5C channel IIRC, so you probably want the boxes on a nice, reliable netowrk TV station

[19:47:54]

iamlindoro__:

I've only ever heard that anecdotally, though, my channels are all open

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hadees:

iamlindoro__, well the box is a scientific atlanta 3250HD

[19:48:36]

iamlindoro__:

so?

[19:48:46]

hadees:

other people have this box working

[19:48:52]

iamlindoro__:

the box means nothing

[19:48:59]

AndyCap:

image is everything

[19:49:03]

iamlindoro__:

Firewire policies are set by the headend, not the box

[19:49:24]

iamlindoro__:

They can download a policy into your box to turn on/off anything they want

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hadees:

iamlindoro__, well how can i find out?

[19:50:16]

iamlindoro__:

hadees, find out if your box has a service menu that shows firewire status/5C status on a channel, I would guess

[19:50:46]

mkrufky:

how much would you pay for a usb device with an mpeg2 encoder *and* dtv atsc/qam receiver

[19:51:18]

iamlindoro__:

$150–170

[19:51:32]

AndyCap:

mkrufky: 60–90â‚¬

[19:51:35]

mkrufky:

yet, crazy people are buying iot for $200

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mkrufky:

....and the hd pvr only costs $49 more

[19:52:12]

iamlindoro__:

preaching to the converted, my friend

[19:52:23]

mkrufky:

im not preaching anything

[19:52:34]

mkrufky:

im just amazed

[19:52:56]

GreyFoxx:

I'd love to get an hdpvr (well 2 of them really) but gonna be a while before I pony up the money :)

[19:53:05]

AndyCap:

then again does it have linux support or is it caught in some flamefest limbo? :>

[19:53:15]

mkrufky:

i guess people are willing to pay extra cash when they thing the device is meant for mac

[19:53:21]

mkrufky:

s/thing/think

[19:53:33]

iamlindoro__:

All you need is shin white plastic to make then think that

[19:53:36]

iamlindoro__:

them

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mkrufky:

flamefest limbo ?

[19:53:52]

** directhex suspects the latest episode of south park is gonna cause some VERY angry faces at viacom. and the wga **

[19:53:53]

mkrufky:

yes — it's white plastic :-)

[19:54:07]

GreyFoxx:

directhex|bsp: Which one is that ?

[19:54:22]

GreyFoxx:

the aids one ?

[19:54:31]

AndyCap:

mkrufky: well. I got tired of following along after a while but what's the status on xc3028 / Em2880 support for linux now?

[19:54:33]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, Canada On Strike. the one about making money on the internet

[19:54:36]

directhex:

via youtube

[19:54:41]

directhex:

or, more to the point, not dpoing so

[19:54:55]

GreyFoxx:

haven't seen that yet :)

[19:55:04]

iamlindoro__:

I thought the internet mem fight was awesome... nouma nouma versus star wars kids, yessssss

[19:55:07]

iamlindoro__:

er meme

[19:55:45]

directhex:

iamlindoro__, i laughed out loud every time the dramatic prairie dog appeared

[19:55:59]

iamlindoro__:

Hehe, well you *do* loves the badgers from what I understand

[19:56:29]

mkrufky:

ah, there's a photo

[19:56:30]

mkrufky:

http://techluver.com/2008/01/07/hauppauge-int . . . 0q-and-1250/

[19:56:31]

iamlindoro__:

I love that they got tron guy in there

[19:56:55]

mkrufky:

AndyCap: developer picked up his toys and went home.

[19:57:06]

Ribs:

Anyone know what causes Myth's player to make the video the correct height, but only 1/8th of the width?

[19:57:07]

directhex:

iamlindoro_, i have 8 badgers on my mouse mat

[19:57:09]

mkrufky:

(he has sand caught in his vagi---

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mkrufky:

oops

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iamlindoro__:

YES

[19:57:19]

directhex:

iamlindoro__, and the word "badger" 4 times

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Ribs:

I have very squashed playback, and I can't figure what's causing it :/

[19:57:23]

iamlindoro__:

I say that all the time

[19:57:28]

mkrufky:

:-P

[19:57:36]

iamlindoro__:

directhex, see? Point made.

[19:58:25]

AndyCap:

mkrufky: well, that part I saw. :) and that was the end of that? on a related note. is it the same hardware in the 950Q?

[19:58:34]

mkrufky:

totally new hardware

[19:58:47]

mkrufky:

and the linux driver for the hvr950q is _already available_

[19:59:07]

mkrufky:

and it's goign to be merged into the main repository

[19:59:14]

mkrufky:

no twisted panties on this one

[19:59:16]

AndyCap:

well. if I'm going for an extended us trip I might consider it

[20:00:08]

** iamlindoro__ believes that a person's experience with Linux/MythTV is inversely proportional to their desire to use a tuner w/ practically no driver support. **

[20:00:45]

AndyCap:

mkrufky: that would mean there is a workable framework for analog/digital tuners right? is there anything stopping someone from taking pieces from the "failed state" and implementing it?

[20:00:51]

mkrufky:

thats why its nice to have drivers available before the product is on the shelves ;-)

[20:01:11]

** iamlindoro__ sees lines and reads between them **

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directhex:

i should cook dinner. it's 9pm.

[20:01:22]

mkrufky:

AndyCap: I did all the refactoring, and yes, now that is possible

[20:01:37]

mkrufky:

iamlindoro__: not what u think, slow down

[20:01:44]

mkrufky:

im not working on that device in linux-land

[20:01:52]

mkrufky:

in fact, i wont touch it with a 10 foot pole

[20:02:05]

iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, Am not jumping to conclusions, just bantering

[20:02:09]

mkrufky:

:-)

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AndyCap:

typing with a 10 foot pole would be challenging

[20:02:28]

justinh:

bloody daft buffering problems :(

[20:03:00]

justinh:

some silly bug in the timestretchy code or other is making wifey unhappy

[20:03:12]

mkrufky:

AndyCap: if somebody does all the work to forward port that thing to use the new framework, then it stands a good chance of getting merged

[20:03:36]

mkrufky:

AndyCap: that same person best look over all the previous discussions and not make the same mistakes that the original developer made,

[20:04:02]

mkrufky:

AndyCap: and should be prepared to receive flames from that original developer, and be blamed for stealing his code, since is it all GPL'd after all

[20:04:08]

mkrufky:

.....

[20:04:15]

mkrufky:

now you see why nobody has stepped up to do that work?

[20:04:23]

mkrufky:

please, be my guest — it would be very nice

[20:04:40]

mkrufky:

and to be honest, its not a lot of work to do

[20:05:09]

mkrufky:

note: some sarcasm up there ^^

[20:05:12]

AndyCap:

mkrufky: meh. sticks and stones. but what other major conflicts were there apart from the implementation of tuner access/structures?

[20:05:22]

mkrufky:

personality

[20:05:32]

mkrufky:

inability to receive critique

[20:05:49]

mkrufky:

no technical problems

[20:05:53]

AndyCap:

mkrufky: Now, that's hard to avoid. :) either it happens or it doesn't

[20:05:59]

mkrufky:

somebody that wants to convert the driver should do it

[20:06:03]

mkrufky:

i would love to merge it

[20:06:26]

mkrufky:

you'd also have to get it tested

[20:06:31]

mkrufky:

....for all devices

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justinh:

mkrufky: reassuring to know I'm not the only one then ;)

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mkrufky:

not the only what, justinh ?

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AndyCap:

Ok, thats not going to happen. How do people get testing for other devices? do like zydas and only include device id's after they're tested? ( dunno if the devices even have different device/vendor ids)

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justinh:

mkrufky: person who is tetchy about their own work & stuff

[20:08:35]

mkrufky:

oh, lol

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AndyCap:

justinh: well, you let people have your toys.

[20:08:56]

mkrufky:

im not sure how to receive that.... but i'll just lol and :-)

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justinh:

wonder what planet the "so will this hauppauge hd pvr thing replace a mythbox" person is on

[20:26:11]

mkrufky:

lol who said that?

[20:26:14]

iamlindoro__:

heheh

[20:26:16]

iamlindoro__:

users list

[20:26:20]

iamlindoro__:

some tard

[20:26:22]

mkrufky:

loser list

[20:26:26]

DustyBin:

what do people think who have no idea about linux about using mythtv, ie family / friends ?

[20:26:31]

mkrufky:

umm, i didnt say that

[20:26:49]

justinh:

DustyBin: she's sick of all the playback problems

[20:26:56]

justinh:

so I get tired of them too

[20:26:59]

DustyBin:

lol serious

[20:27:08]

justinh:

yeah serious

[20:27:19]

iamlindoro__:

I have my folks set up at their house, I do maintenance once or twice a year, but that's all-- they've got the hang of it

[20:27:20]

justinh:

so serious I'm looking at the video playback code now

[20:27:33]

DustyBin:

its ok for me

[20:27:40]

justinh:

DustyBin: timestretch much?

[20:27:46]

DustyBin:

no

[20:27:51]

justinh:

tada

[20:27:53]

DustyBin:

might be your intel drivers

[20:27:57]

justinh:

nope

[20:28:02]

justinh:

worked fine before. same drivers

[20:28:24]

DustyBin:

why do you need to time stretch?

[20:28:41]

justinh:

plays fine when you start playback. pause, jump or change the stretch amount.. pfft. stop the playback & restart it – juuuust fine & dandy again

[20:28:55]

justinh:

DustyBin: to turn 2 hours of shitty soap operas into 1.5 hours

[20:29:01]

DustyBin:

ok

[20:29:03]

hadees:

do you have to clear what you did with plugctl before if you try and switch from p2p to Broadcast? or can you just set over the nodes?

[20:29:26]

justinh:

DustyBin: also helps to speed up slow docs like Horizon

[20:29:39]

DustyBin:

lol

[20:29:41]

justinh:

there was one about gravity.. even 2x wasn't fast enough

[20:30:09]

justinh:

that bloke who was the keyboard player in D:Ream speaks at like 2 words per minute

[20:30:44]

DustyBin:

my boss said "just like SKY+"

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justinh:

right. like Sly+ can timestretch

[20:32:00]

justinh:

it does stuff mythtv can't do though. like crash regularly requiring an engineer callout when the warranty has expired – often losing your recordings (even PPV stuff you've yet to watch)

[20:32:26]

justinh:

and silly stuff like lumping recorded shows into the programme guide

[20:32:32]

justinh:

wtf is that all about then?

[20:33:27]

DustyBin:

dunno

[20:33:41]

justinh:

ok so yeah a HDD crash would make me lose all my recordings but.. Sly+ goes down more often than HDDs fail. ask anybody who owns one

[20:34:11]

justinh:

ask them 1. how long they've had it and 2. which number box are they on now (since they 1st got one)

[20:34:18]

hadees:

when you are doing a broadcast setup with plugctl what do you set the channel to? anything you want or the bcast_channel found via plugreport?

[20:34:28]

justinh:

mate of mine has had four boxes in 18 months

[20:34:38]

DustyBin:

jeeze

[20:34:39]

iamlindoro__:

broadcast channel has nothing to do with TV channels

[20:34:51]

justinh:

guys at work, 3 in 2 years & 5 in 2 years

[20:34:52]

iamlindoro__:

and you don't need to "set" it at all in general, it doesn't matter

[20:35:07]

DustyBin:

justinh: crappy maxtor HDs ?

[20:35:19]

hadees:

iamlindoro__, ok it was set to 63 so and the names seemed similar, just making sure

[20:35:24]

hadees:

trying to track down whats going on

[20:35:29]

justinh:

DustyBin: the problem isn't crashing HDDs

[20:35:35]

iamlindoro__:

63/62/etc are all pretty normal

[20:35:47]

directhex:

packing is hard work

[20:35:51]

justinh:

DustyBin: firmware problems causing unrecoverable filesystem errors

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justinh:

the fix is usually to reformat the box – or used to be

[20:36:48]

hadees:

iamlindoro__, so if it isn't that why in the wiki is the channel set to 63 and not 0 or 1

[20:36:56]

directhex:

justinh, yay for vxworks

[20:37:15]

hadees:

seems kind of weird having 63

[20:37:17]

directhex:

no wonder it's the #1 rtos

[20:37:57]

iamlindoro__:

hadees, plugctl handles it all on its own, don't worry about it-- when you swap between P2P and broadcast mode it automatically sets it to an appropriate Firewire channel

[20:37:57]

justinh:

I work with people who were on the dev team for the sky+ box – they all left Pace before it was finished – saying something about it being half-arsed and the probable end of the company

[20:38:12]

iamlindoro__:

(not to be confused with a television channel)

[20:39:05]

iamlindoro__:

directhex, Gotta keep those techs employed somehow

[20:39:41]

directhex:

iamlindoro, they could help me pack

[20:39:54]

iamlindoro__:

Hehe, how long are you going out of town for?

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directhex:

http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32027

[20:41:21]

directhex:

iamlindoro, forever. moving.

[20:41:37]

iamlindoro__:

directhex, ahhhh — and we've beein poring over those pics since the AM :)

[20:41:40]

iamlindoro__:

er been

[20:42:12]

Dagmar:

"I don't care if it looks like a flying saucer as long as it works.

[20:42:14]

Dagmar:

Hahah

[20:42:27]

directhex:

dual input, or passthru?

[20:42:32]

iamlindoro__:

passthrough

[20:42:35]

justinh:

directhex: the latter

[20:42:45]

directhex:

it's justinh!!!

[20:42:58]

justinh:

?

[20:43:28]

iamlindoro__:

Mmmm, Garacticerrr comes back tonight

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justinh:

well, can't make head nor tail of the playback code (duh) so time to raise a buglet

[20:45:03]

justinh:

might be related to any of the audio/skipping/whatever bugs but wth

[20:47:04]

hadees:

well i'm all out of ideas on how to get this firewire working, nothing on the wiki worked

[20:47:10]

justinh:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5113 – already there

[20:47:14]

hadees:

i even switched firewire cards

[20:47:22]

iamlindoro__:

hadees, have you been in your service menu to determine if the firewire port is active?

[20:47:44]

hadees:

iamlindoro__, i haven't been able to figure out how to get to that menu

[20:48:12]

iamlindoro__:

hadees, That needs to be your first priority... if the port itself isn't functional then you're just tossing in the wind anyway

[20:48:35]

hadees:

iamlindoro__, i guess i'll try to get time warner to tell me how to do it

[20:48:59]

iamlindoro__:

hadees, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php . . . #post4624326

[20:49:13]

iamlindoro__:

If that doesn't work then keep searching AVSforum, that info is bound to be there

[20:49:52]

iamlindoro__:

and then something in that service menu ought to tell you firewire status (and, of course, 5C status)

[20:51:42]

hadees:

iamlindoro__, whats 5C?

[20:51:52]

iamlindoro__:

Encryption status

[20:51:55]

hadees:

oh

[20:52:13]

iamlindoro__:

ie even if you get the port working on the box, they may all be set to copy-none in 5C and you'll get no video anyway

[20:52:30]

mkrufky:

iamlindoro__: co-worker just gave me mini-series pilot + season 1 on dvd

[20:52:41]

iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, BSG?

[20:52:43]

mkrufky:

so..... this will hold me over 'till apr 24th

[20:52:46]

mkrufky:

yup

[20:52:58]

iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, I like that bit, but it definitely intensifies in the second season

[20:53:08]

mkrufky:

yeah i never saw any

[20:53:13]

iamlindoro__:

hopefully you like it and stick with it, IMO it just gets better

[20:53:28]

mkrufky:

based on what i hear, i'll prob love it

[20:53:34]

iamlindoro__:

probably

[20:54:53]

hadees:

sucks it is going to end

[20:55:12]

iamlindoro__:

I disagree, I think that shows should end in their prime, answer all the questions, and be done with it

[20:55:24]

iamlindoro__:

instead of waiting to be canceled so that I can holler WTF

[20:55:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

ugh... Myth repositories for x-box Xebian have the frontend at 0.21, but all the plugins are still 0.20... (yuck)

[20:55:33]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro__: heh, if only.

[20:55:38]

directhex:

J-e-f-f-A, gg, n1, pld

[20:55:42]

justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: distcc ftw :)

[20:55:46]

AndyCap:

seems if I start watching something it gets canceled.

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AndyCap:

space aab, e-ring, futurama,

[20:56:00]

iamlindoro__:

AndyCap, You stay away from my shows, then!

[20:56:11]

justinh:

oh ffs the one time I want to raise a ticket....

[20:57:10]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro__: hah. I'll schedule them in my mighty mythtv backend.

[20:57:22]

AndyCap:

and smite them all!

[20:57:48]

** J-e-f-f-A thinks he'll just be using it for recordings then... :-( **

[20:58:19]

justinh:

bah svn.mythtv.org seems to be brokened

[20:58:20]

justinh:

:(

[20:58:40]

justinh:

nm – there's always tomorrow

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Aval0n:

anyone in here use mythtv and have vlc play all their videos?

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Saviq:

is mythtv running on framebuffer doable atm?

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directhex:

maybe. nobody tests it, so it might break without anyone noticing or caring

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zippytech:

any idea why the mythbackend pounds my hard drive non stop

[22:10:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

zippytech: Transcoding? Commercial detection?

[22:10:58]

zippytech:

never configured any thing like that yet

[22:11:07]

zippytech:

even reinstalled

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zippytech:

on new drive

[22:11:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

zippytech: Commercial flagging is on by default IIRC...

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zippytech:

i have yet to configure any capture cards yet

[22:13:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

zippytech: Well, usually you configure the cards, channels, etc before starting the backend.

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zippytech:

it's this /usr/bin/mythbackend --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid

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zippytech:

its just wide open when that is loaded, any way to see whats causeing it

[22:16:11]

hads:

It's just wide open?

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J-e-f-f-A:

zippytech: I don't know how the backend would perform without cards defined, etc... Do you have a capture card in the system yet?

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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black_Nightmare_:

not finding it in the wiki so just wondering if its just because noone have actually tried it or ? but either way any of you know about using pinnacle DC-30 card with mythtv?

[22:21:28]

directhex:

that's a linuxtv question, not a mythtv question

[22:24:23]

black_Nightmare_:

directhex..I'm actually asking about mythtv being able to play video from there just like with hauppauge?

[22:26:18]

directhex:

is it an ivtv device?

[22:26:56]

iamlindoro:

"Hey, it's me, black_Nightmare_. Has anyone used $NEVERFUCKINGHEARDOFIT with MythTV?"

[22:27:11]

iamlindoro:

^^^^ thrice-weekly occurrence

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directhex:

iamlindoro, looks like a video editing capture card. which fits with it being a pinnacle

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black_Nightmare_:

directhex...hmm not sure about ivtv as the drivers pkg-src doesn't mention much past installing/etc

[22:28:22]

AndyCap:

I want to use my Miro 20TD card with mythtv but it's not working.

[22:29:58]

iamlindoro:

cat /dev/kinetoscope > mythtv

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iamlindoro:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetoscope

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black_Nightmare_:

hmm andycap thats an interesting card (wonder if its a concidence that they used 'Live!' just like creative did)

[22:31:16]

iamlindoro:

AndyCap: See what you started?

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black_Nightmare_:

andycap I presume your could display 2D-out to a tv screen?

[22:32:02]

AndyCap:

I'll go bang my head in a wall till I see the pretty colours in 3d

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black_Nightmare_:

andycap..either way I'll had thought that I would just give that Miro 20TD card to some vintage system collector :p

[22:32:51]

AndyCap:

from my dead cold hands.

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black_Nightmare_:

lol....ok fair enough :p

[22:33:18]

black_Nightmare_:

interesting how the total hardware guide shows this card to have two VPU's

[22:34:34]

directhex:

iamlindoro, :|

[22:34:53]

iamlindoro:

directhex: yarp?

[22:35:16]

directhex:

iamlindoro, the channel content

[22:35:17]

black_Nightmare_:

andycap well I'm sure that you have a different video card in your system don't you?

[22:35:24]

directhex:

anyway, i have packed 50kg of stuff tonight

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black_Nightmare_:

(I can't imagine having only 2MB anyhow)

[22:35:50]

iamlindoro:

directhex: hopefully not that expression at *my* contribution to it

[22:35:57]

iamlindoro:

directhex: I am for joke!

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directhex:

there is lots to pack :(

[22:36:33]

iamlindoro:

MOAR GPU?

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neztiti:

hi guys

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black_Nightmare_:

iamlindoro I actually suspect that its just one VPU for vga and other for the svideo-out side? I may be wrong tho

[22:37:15]

neztiti:

how i can view the channel list

[22:37:36]

neztiti:

witch key on the keyboard??

[22:37:36]

AndyCap:

moar tseng et4000

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iamlindoro:

moar virge

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black_Nightmare_:

the hardware guide points to each VPU seeming to have their own dram bank (as two banks of two 256Kx16's)

[22:38:21]

directhex:

black_Nightmare_, who cares?

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** iamlindoro pees on a 3C509 **

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AndyCap:

where was that NE2000

[22:39:48]

** iamlindoro hands AndyCap a NuBus Token Ring adapter **

[22:40:14]

directhex:

ISA is not hotplug, kids

[22:40:17]

directhex:

remember this

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AndyCap:

directhex: bah, I can hotplug anything into anything, I'm the professor

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black_Nightmare_:

NE2000? isn't that the name assigned to generic nic cards?

[22:40:41]

iamlindoro:

oh it's "hot" plug alright

[22:41:03]

iamlindoro:

especially if you wash and don't dry properly first

[22:41:04]

** J-e-f-f-A digs out a Cabletron E2219... ;-) **

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AndyCap:

black_Nightmare_: no. it is novell's cheap ns8390 reference design card to give ethernet to teh masses!

[22:41:37]

directhex:

back when novell built hardware, and not shitty linuxes?

[22:41:45]

black_Nightmare_:

hmm

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** iamlindoro configures mythtv with --enable-IPX **

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AndyCap:

don't think they really wanted to be in the hardware business, just sell moar netware

[22:41:55]

black_Nightmare_:

what was that name used for generic nic cards again? been some time I forgot

[22:42:48]

AndyCap:

btw. when is myth going to support a proper networking stack. OSI for teh win.

[22:42:58]

AndyCap:

is X.666 taken?

[22:43:01]

iamlindoro:

loadhigh ipx.com

[22:43:12]

cesman:

tjcarter: glad you liked it...

[22:43:15]

iamlindoro:

emm386.exe noems 4096

[22:43:24]

iamlindoro:

ultima9.exe

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cesman:

tjcarter: ran into a little problem w/ libata

[22:43:46]

cesman:

tjcarter: that was the last major hold up, still have some minor issues to iron out

[22:44:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: next thing you'll be doing is playing the text adventure "Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy"... ;-)

[22:44:30]

iamlindoro:

drop towel on drain

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directhex:

iamlindoro, sign. it's emm386.exe ram=4096

[22:44:34]

iamlindoro:

press button

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iamlindoro:

put mail in front of slot

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** J-e-f-f-A rotfl! ; -) **

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neztiti:

how i can view the channel list

[22:44:50]

iamlindoro:

press button

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iamlindoro:

enjoy poetry

[22:45:19]

directhex:

press button, receive bacon

[22:45:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

I just bought that dvd at a pawn shop for $3... never saw it before... ;-)

[22:45:44]

** iamlindoro is proud of his z-machine experience **

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directhex:

RAM=mmmm-nnnn

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directhex:

Specifies a range of segment addresses to be used for UMBs and also

[22:45:47]

directhex:

enables EMS support. If you do not specify a range, EMM386 uses all

[22:45:47]

directhex:

available adapter space to create UMBs and a page frame for EMS.

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iamlindoro:

directhex: alright, alright

[22:46:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

... Although i did play the game 'many moons' ago... ;-)

[22:46:12]

AndyCap:

thanks. now I have to dig out my z-code emu

[22:46:21]

directhex:

because only queers & steers use dos4/gw qhwn making their games

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** iamlindoro points out that the Quest for Glory 2 remake is in beta **

[22:46:52]

AndyCap:

you don't look much like a steer to me so that kind of narrows it down.

[22:47:29]

directhex:

moo

[22:49:18]

AndyCap:

http://www.largeblackpigs.com.au/cattle.shtml

[22:49:34]

AndyCap:

wolly bully.

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directhex:

highland cattle rule

[22:52:01]

** iamlindoro goes to the highlands next month **

[22:52:21]

directhex:

iamlindoro, for cattle?

[22:52:34]

iamlindoro:

I'm leaving my options open

[22:53:07]

AndyCap:

oh no, he's reforming http://englishrussia.com/images/lenin_swim/1.jpg

[22:53:59]

directhex:

tee hee @ lenin with accusing finger

[22:54:03]

directhex:

*OBJECTION!*

[22:54:18]

AndyCap:

get your lenin battlebot now

[22:56:14]

AndyCap:

Obviously spammers can't see teh irony: "very CheapPrice Bacheelor, MasteerMBA, and Doctoraate dip1omas aa cdux721j"

[22:56:52]

** iamlindoro FacePunches our president **

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directhex:

iamlindoro, that's a crime

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iamlindoro:

not when you do it <sinister> viiiirrrtuuuaaalllly </sinister>

[22:58:58]

AndyCap:

A person commits the crime of terroristic threats if the person communicates, either directly or indirectly, a threat to: commit any crime of violence with intent to terrorize another;

[22:59:32]

iamlindoro:

AndyCap: In my state one must possess the present ability to carry out that threat. :) No crime!

[22:59:42]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro: you don't have arms?

[22:59:58]

iamlindoro:

AndyCap: That's not what the present ability means.

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iamlindoro:

<--- Was a cop here

[23:00:22]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro: you'd have to sit next to the president?

[23:00:27]

iamlindoro:

more or less

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** iamlindoro eats jalapeno chips instead **

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iamlindoro:

Mmm, delicious!

[23:02:48]

directhex:

spicy?

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AndyCap:

jalapeno jelly beans

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iamlindoro:

wonderfully!

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iamlindoro:

I can't move to Europe permanently because I can't get my comfort foods

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AndyCap:

iamlindoro: just make friends with someone with exchange access

[23:05:12]

iamlindoro:

AndyCap: What happens if I want to settle somewhere with no US bases? :)

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directhex:

there are expat food sites for former brits

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directhex:

i'm sure the reverse is true

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directhex:

you can buy a pot noodle in yankland if you like

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Plus I have a mommy :)

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AndyCap:

iamlindoro: those exist? :P

[23:05:43]

iamlindoro:

AndyCap: Mommies? Sure, everyone's got one.

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iamlindoro:

;)

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AndyCap:

...

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iamlindoro:

Hehe

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iamlindoro:

AndyCap: My fam is from France, If there are bases there I don't know about them

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directhex:

?1.49 per pot noodle to buy internationally? outrageous!

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iamlindoro:

Apparently there's one in Istres

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iamlindoro:

directhex: I dunno what that is but it sounds illegal ;)

[23:08:38]

directhex:

iamlindoro, a particlar brand of cup noodle which is part of the national identity

[23:09:50]

directhex:

iamlindoro, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3emxBkHGlM&feature=related

[23:10:03]

iamlindoro:

directhex: ahhh, google tells me it's the kind of crap we feed our poor college students

[23:10:15]

directhex:

iamlindoro, yes!

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AndyCap:

Kink in advertising? umm.

[23:10:25]

directhex:

iamlindoro, pot noodles are loved by students everywhere!

[23:10:37]

directhex:

AndyCap, yes! pot noodle ads used to be great

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iamlindoro:

directhex: I'll buy one in Edinburgh for the novelty :)

[23:10:46]

directhex:

these days they're shitty and all about the noodle miles in wales

[23:11:13]

directhex:

AndyCap, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_6GGDhHzKI&feature=related

[23:11:46]

AndyCap:

kink in advertising? this reminds me of the "bondage in mainstream films" list.

[23:12:07]

directhex:

AndyCap, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuxbnWuP6wM&feature=related

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Frosty--:

3 weeks now and no problems! :P

[23:13:21]

Yahooadam:

lucky bum :p

[23:13:49]

Frosty--:

I'm trying to ask a question in #debian but it says "#debian cannot send to channel"

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directhex:

the channel will be +q

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directhex:

probably due to recent botnet attack

[23:14:23]

Frosty--:

they have some funky channel modes

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AndyCap:

Frosty--: register your nick?

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iamlindoro:

plus debian has their own IRC server IIRC

[23:15:05]

Frosty--:

do I have to go online for that?

[23:15:09]

Frosty--:

ie. browser? :o

[23:15:19]

AndyCap:

Frosty--: /m nickserv help

[23:15:32]

AndyCap:

so. no browser involved

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Frosty--:

thanks :) I'll find a better nick and return :)

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AndyCap:

what was wrong with that one?

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directhex:

iamlindoro, dns redirect to oftc

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AndyCap:

I'd be more worried about having root in the hostmask since some people frown on that

[23:17:52]

directhex:

oh

[23:17:53]

directhex:

OH

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kdub:

OH

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directhex:

yes, there's probably a block on it

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directhex:

infact, i think there's an onjoin warning too

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stalks:

yay, back, thanks :)

[23:18:23]

directhex:

stalks, STOP SURFING IRC AS ROOT YOU N00BLET!

[23:18:46]

iamlindoro:

directhex: ah, didn't know that, haven't been to irc.debian.org myself

[23:18:47]

stalks:

heh :) I had to su to apt-get, and I'm in a rush :/

[23:18:47]

kdub:

heh

[23:19:08]

iamlindoro:

too good for sudo?

[23:19:12]

directhex:

stalks, THAT's what #debian blacks. rightly. you're putting your machine at major risk

[23:19:13]

stalks:

installed

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stalks:

not installed

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stalks:

oh

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stalks:

ugh

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stalks:

!

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AndyCap:

http://imgdump.info/data/media/46/Truck%20of%20Fail.jpg

[23:19:48]

AndyCap:

meh, he left

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stalks:

all that extra typing :/

[23:20:16]

iamlindoro:

here's your chance ;)

[23:20:41]

directhex:

stalks, http://imgdump.info/data/media/46/Truck%20of%20Fail.jpg

[23:20:55]

stalks:

I'm in a console, I dont have X installed

[23:21:06]

stalks:

I'll guess what it is though, thanks :)

[23:21:12]

iamlindoro:

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/militia-fail.jpg

[23:21:18]

AndyCap:

stalks: could be a problem with mythtv then.

[23:21:18]

directhex:

aptitude install x-window-system

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directhex:

i think

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Yahooadam:

im trying to debug my dvb card

[23:34:01]

Yahooadam:

when i do

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Yahooadam:

dvbstream -o -ps 600 601 -qam 16 -cr 3_4 > test.mpg

[23:34:08]

Yahooadam:

test.mpg is just a black screen

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Saviq:

Yahooadam: did you try dvbscan and (s,c,t)zap?

[23:36:46]

Yahooadam:

not sure about dvbscan, and yeah ive used tzap

[23:36:51]

squish102:

if while playing back HD content on a FE/BE i get a suddering of sound and video, is that an indication the machine is not powerful enough?

[23:37:10]

Yahooadam:

ive even tryd using dvbstream while mythtv is watching the channel

[23:37:12]

Yahooadam:

still nothing

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J-e-f-f-A:

... that's interesting... on my old xbox, the video preview works, but playback only works on 1/2 the programs...

[23:38:18]

squish102:

amd 64 3500+, 1 gig mem, nvidia 6150 onboard, playing out DVI. Load 4–6, no wait on IO

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CyberKnet:

Anyone see my message to the users list about the ceton card?

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directhex:

squidly, US HD?

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squish102:

yes directhex

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squish102:

recorded from QAM256

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squish102:

it sometimes sorts itself out over time... i am using the nvidia driver

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mkrufky:

1080i or 720p ?

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mkrufky:

if 1080i, check your deinterlacer

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mkrufky:

i used to have similar problems, even using nvidia, on an amd3200+

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mkrufky:

you can also try the alternative decoders ....

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mkrufky:

ffmpeg / libmpeg2 / etc

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mkrufky:

althouth "Standard" should be good

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directhex:

or there's option 2

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directhex:

MOAR MHZ

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mkrufky:

yeah, if you like that game that m$ plays

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mkrufky:

what? your computer is slowing down?? you need to buy a newer, faster one

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mkrufky:

noooo..... we're definately not slowing down your machine with binary code that you'll never be able to find or remove

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squish102:

ok thanks mkrufky, i will try digest what u have said and figure out what i need to change

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mkrufky:

definately not

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mkrufky:

squish102: what cpu is it?

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squish102:

i have no idea if it playing 720p or 1080i

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mkrufky:

what channel?

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squish102:

amd 64 3500+

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mkrufky:

your machine is fast enough :-)

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mkrufky:

what channel? network?

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** mkrufky lives here in atscland and uses qam256 **

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mkrufky:

oh, which card, too? (satify my curiousity)

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squish102:

i was not sure if the onboard vid card may be the bottleneck

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squish102:

6150 onboard, i think

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Yahooadam:

well i still cant get my nova-t 500 to work, ive been trying for like 3 days, i just dont understand what its not working

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mkrufky:

which tv tuner card i meant

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squish102:

i use an ati HD tv tuner

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mkrufky:

ATI HDTV Wonder, using nxt200x inside a TUV1236d, dual input spigots

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mkrufky:

nxt2004, i mean

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squish102:

yip thats it

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mkrufky:

and which network?

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mkrufky:

abc & fox are usual;ly 720p

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squish102:

abc

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mkrufky:

cbs wb nbc usually 1080i

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mkrufky:

ok, if your system is chokling on 720p, then something is seriously wrong

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squish102:

so how does myth play them, because my tv is 720p but it can play 1080i

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mkrufky:

i used 'libmpeg2' on my amd 3200+ box

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mkrufky:

that doesnt mean its the best ... thats just worked best for ME

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mkrufky:

(i use standard now on my pentumD)

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squish102:

is that in the FE setup?

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mkrufky:

irrelevant

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mkrufky:

the 720p stream is 720p

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mkrufky:

a 1080i stream needs to be deinterlaced before being displayed

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mkrufky:

and that can be expensive

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squish102:

load is about 4–5 while playing back

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mkrufky:

...or you dont have to deinterlace........ but then you might get a seizure

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mkrufky:

ok then, so its not a cpu load issue :-)

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squish102:

mythfrontend.re

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squish102:

takes about 75% and Xorg the 25%

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squish102:

so i dont have to put a diff video card in?

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mkrufky:

wtf "load is 4–5

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mkrufky:

"

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mkrufky:

what were you talkign about?

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squish102:

when i use top

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Yahooadam:

does anyone know a good page that tells you how to manually tune a dvb card?

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mkrufky:

Yahooadam: "man tzap"

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Yahooadam:

and view the output

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mkrufky:

oops, i just dug my own hole

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mkrufky:

i think it lacks a man page

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** mkrufky hides **

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Yahooadam:

yeah it does lack a man page :p

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Yahooadam:

if the nova-t 500 is a "In these conditions the card is fully and reliably supported." card, then i shudder to think what a not-so-fully supported and reliable card is like

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Yahooadam:

quote: mythtv wiki

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mkrufky:

Yahooadam: the bug is in the usb controller

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mkrufky:

see the recent list activity on the matter

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Yahooadam:

im using 2.6.22

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Yahooadam:

that issue is menna be with 2.6.24

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Yahooadam:

even then, thats the USB disconnect issue? i cant get it to tune anything (without garbage) except MUX1

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Yahooadam:

and i dont understand why, MUX2 allways used to work fine

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directhex:

you enabled the amp?

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mkrufky:

im going home, guys

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mkrufky:

umm, wierd

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directhex:

bedtime.

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Yahooadam:

in /etc/modprobe.d/options i have the line "options dvb-usb-dib0700 force_lna_activation=1"

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Yahooadam:

now, whether or not thats actually worked, i dont know for sure ...

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mkrufky:

Yahooadam: for future reference, the developer that can help you hangs out in #linuxtv

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Yahooadam:

ty mkrufky

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mkrufky:

Yahooadam: and nobody will care when you ask about it in #v4l, because #v4l is for video devices

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mkrufky:

and your device is dvb device

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Yahooadam:

i thought v4l was also for dvb :)

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mkrufky:

and dvb is nothing but a glorified network adapter

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mkrufky:

nope

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