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| [00:03:28] | TelnetManta: | Could a logfile getting to large cause the backend to just stop? I'm trying to track down why my backend just stops working with no error.... |
| [00:03:59] | ajh: | Odd, on this playback of a dvb stream I'm seeing a horizontal 'line' (kinda like frame gaps) when there's lots of action, any idea what I should look at? |
| [00:04:04] | jamesd: | TelnetManta, too large would be at least 2GB on a 32 bit machine... |
| [00:04:25] | ajh: | it's only SD too, so it shouldn't be cpu related |
| [00:04:29] | TelnetManta: | jamesd: well I doubt its getting that large |
| [00:04:46] | TelnetManta: | when I restart the backend the log file starts over.. |
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| [00:07:11] | ajh: | ok, all the recordings are doing it. |
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| [00:14:13] | ajh: | strange, setting to CPU++ makes it slightly better, but now the OSD stuff flickers |
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| [00:27:36] | chasep: | I recorded a few shows while I was out of town, using a pvr-150. I just got home and went to watch a few and none of them have any audio |
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| [00:28:50] | ajh: | ok, these horizontal scanlines are really annoying.. odd because I don't recall them being there before. |
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| [00:34:55] | fryfrog: | chasep: i got that a few tiems, i upped some buffer and it hasn't happened since |
| [00:35:16] | chasep: | fryfrog: happen to remember where? |
| [00:35:31] | fryfrog: | options ivtv enc_mpg_buffers=16 enc_vbi_buffers=8 |
| [00:35:40] | fryfrog: | i use ubuntu, so that is in /etc/modprobe.d/ivtv |
| [00:35:54] | fryfrog: | you might take a look at dmesg and see if you see anything weird |
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| [00:41:44] | chasep: | wouldnt be such a big deal, but I havent canceled my replaytv yet so i can make sure everything is working right....but while I was gone it couldn't connect to the net and went too many days unable to verify my subscription, so it didn't record the shows either :-( |
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| [00:58:30] | loops: | hmm, what's the key to switch tuners when in the frontend? |
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| [01:09:46] | banyan: | is it 'm'? |
| [01:09:51] | banyan: | or b... |
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| [01:14:03] | dustybin: | loops: you can change tuners using the interactive menu |
| [01:17:52] | dustybin: | my Nova-T 500 has finally died again :( |
| [01:19:14] | dustybin: | but it lasted a lot longer than usual! :D |
| [01:19:31] | chasep: | getting tvout working on a geforce 8500gt was REALLY easy....almost too easy...im expecting my tv to expode or something any moment now |
| [01:20:33] | dustybin: | chasep: what country you from? |
| [01:20:38] | chasep: | us |
| [01:20:40] | chasep: | a |
| [01:20:48] | dustybin: | hmm ok |
| [01:20:55] | chasep: | im not really expecting my tv to explode |
| [01:20:57] | dustybin: | the quality of tv out sucks |
| [01:21:16] | dustybin: | chasep: what other inputs has your tv got |
| [01:21:45] | chasep: | im using composite at the moment. its the only one free at the moment. When I retire my replay tv, I'll use s-video |
| [01:21:53] | chasep: | its just a standard TV, not high def |
| [01:22:31] | dustybin: | even so, here in UK we have RGB SCART inputs |
| [01:22:55] | dustybin: | i got a special box what does VGA > RGB SCART, compared to s-video / tv-out, the quality is amazing |
| [01:23:08] | chasep: | sweet |
| [01:23:12] | dustybin: | this is standard CRT |
| [01:24:17] | chasep: | fryfrog: i am watching something that is recording at the moment (delayed) and its playing fine....possibly the transcoding screwed up the audio? It should be turned off now and not do it automatically, so we'll see |
| [01:25:05] | chasep: | dustybin: I can't complain about the quality, its not too bad. I just got back from my parents where my dad just got a 42" LCD....so anything is gonna look bad on my tv right now |
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| [01:25:44] | darkwizzard: | i get this error compiling mythtv svn trunk |
| [01:26:01] | darkwizzard: | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| [01:26:01] | darkwizzard: | make[2]: *** [mythtv] Error 1 |
| [01:26:01] | darkwizzard: | make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/mythtv.cvs/mythtv/programs/mythtv' |
| [01:26:01] | darkwizzard: | make[1]: *** [sub-mythtv-make_default] Error 2 |
| [01:26:39] | dustybin: | chasep: i think CRTs look better than plasmas + LCDs |
| [01:28:29] | darkwizzard: | what would cause that |
| [01:29:10] | dustybin: | what is collect2 ? |
| [01:29:23] | darkwizzard: | no clue |
| [01:29:24] | dustybin: | darkwizzard: make sure you have all dependencies installed |
| [01:29:36] | darkwizzard: | i do |
| [01:29:41] | darkwizzard: | qt4 |
| [01:29:41] | dustybin: | devs etc |
| [01:29:52] | dustybin: | i thought mythtv was qt3 |
| [01:29:55] | darkwizzard: | is there a list |
| [01:30:16] | dustybin: | make sure you got qt3 + qt3 dev |
| [01:30:18] | dustybin: | installed |
| [01:30:23] | darkwizzard: | svn trunk is version .22 |
| [01:30:30] | dustybin: | oh |
| [01:30:44] | dustybin: | its too early to use .22 |
| [01:31:01] | darkwizzard: | only one on trunk |
| [01:31:30] | darkwizzard: | i think this is why it not working /usr/bin/../lib/libssl.so.0.9.8: undefined reference to `sk_delete@OPENSSL_0.9.8' |
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| [01:41:35] | darkwizzard: | dustybin is branch older version? |
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| [01:47:37] | codyism: | does mythtv support moving a diseqc motor? |
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| [02:06:36] | banyan: | soooo... I have video0 which is my pvr350, and which is a fine working encoder. I have video1, which is a pvr500, first tuner, which doesn't return a single byte; and I have video2 which is the second pvr500 tuner, and it works just fine. so, why would only one of the two tuners on my 500 be packed in? |
| [02:06:42] | banyan: | dag nabbit! |
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| [02:07:37] | orangepeelbeef: | My menus keep disappearing and coming back when I make a selection. If i use -O ThemePainter=OpenGL it works from the commandline, but setting it in the gui makes no difference. |
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| [02:26:13] | slestak: | im having a real tough time getting mythvideo to see my nas |
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| [02:27:11] | slestak: | worked with .20.2, but not with .21. tried several different angles, symlink subdir in default dir, colon sep second dir |
| [02:27:29] | slestak: | when using a second dir, I get an Unkown Prefix error |
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| [02:38:17] | Deek: | yay, almost up to r6000 :) |
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| [02:59:49] | darkwizzard: | has anyone goten xmame to work? |
| [02:59:58] | darkwizzard: | i tried it says misn bins |
| [03:00:04] | darkwizzard: | missing bins |
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| [03:09:43] | slestak: | i have avi's ripped to like 624x352 size. without using mplayer -zoom, that are very small on lcdtv. but that kills cpu. do I need to rip these at a higher frame size, or change resolution of X? sth else? |
| [03:10:09] | slestak: | X is running at 1024x768 |
| [03:10:33] | slestak: | i have to use -vo x11 because of crappy video card |
| [03:11:18] | slestak: | darkwizzard: i never had good luck w xmame |
| [03:11:31] | slestak: | but then again, im not having good luck w any myth plugin |
| [03:13:15] | Deek: | xmame isn't a myth plugin. |
| [03:13:30] | darkwizzard: | deek i having no luck with it |
| [03:13:39] | darkwizzard: | says bins are missing this and that |
| [03:13:51] | Deek: | *shrug* never bothered with it. |
| [03:14:12] | darkwizzard: | only thing left to get working to complete this box |
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| [03:14:55] | Deek: | slestak: get a better video card. |
| [03:17:39] | slestak: | should a radeon 9600 be able to hange with mythtv? |
| [03:18:08] | slestak: | ive got a half height case, so im limited with what cards are on the market |
| [03:21:23] | iamlindoro_: | NO ATI |
| [03:23:00] | slestak: | got to reboot |
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| [03:23:32] | slestak: | thought irrsi was on mythbox :) |
| [03:23:45] | slestak: | did you say no ATI for myth? |
| [03:23:50] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [03:23:54] | iamlindoro_: | no ATI in myth |
| [03:23:56] | iamlindoro_: | bad |
| [03:24:05] | slestak: | ati is pretty bad everywhere |
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| [03:24:38] | iamlindoro_: | especially in Myth... nVidia or Intel are the best choices for myth |
| [03:24:53] | slestak: | i can get an nvidia 5200 that will fit in this case |
| [03:25:01] | slestak: | think that will hang? |
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| [03:25:28] | iamlindoro_: | yes, a 5200 will be fine |
| [03:25:51] | slestak: | ok, i'll get rid of the ati |
| [03:26:22] | slestak: | this thing has onboard video too, if its not ati, wonder it it would be better |
| [03:26:41] | iamlindoro_: | If it's Intel, it could be fine. Intel drivers are pretty good. |
| [03:26:53] | slestak: | thx |
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| [03:32:56] | slestak: | iamlindoro: man, found a tip on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/197639 that got xv working with fglrx. fullscreen mplayer with no framedropping. cpu idling |
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| [03:39:26] | SoulBlade: | ive got an odd issue.. i can scan for channels on my usb tuner.. but i do not see a /dev/video0 and there is nothing under /proc/bus/usb – im using mythbuntu 7.10 – i had a working setup at one point, but then i let software updates install and now im hosed again |
| [03:46:20] | A-: | does lsusb see the device? |
| [03:47:28] | SoulBlade: | ooh it does |
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| [03:47:42] | A-: | well that is good news, the device isn't fried |
| [03:47:53] | SoulBlade: | now i have a /dev/video0 – just nothing being written to it.. |
| [03:47:53] | A-: | unplug it and plug it back in, then run dmesg |
| [03:48:59] | SoulBlade: | the messages look good |
| [03:49:08] | SoulBlade: | says it registered device video0 [mpeg] |
| [03:50:23] | A-: | hmm, not sure what to tell you. |
| [03:50:25] | SoulBlade: | i used to be able to do something like vlc /dev/video0 |
| [03:50:30] | SoulBlade: | now ... not so much |
| [03:50:32] | A-: | I was just trying the easy stuff ;) |
| [03:51:00] | SoulBlade: | well i appreciate it – ill file it away somewhere for future ref |
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| [04:05:25] | doje: | hello room – can anyone reccomend a decent firewire card for use with myth ? |
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| [04:07:43] | A-: | I'd think they are pretty much commodity hardware at this point |
| [04:07:56] | A-: | make sure the chip is supported by the kernel |
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| [04:09:49] | doje: | A-: I have three of them already – none work that well |
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| [04:10:15] | A-: | are you sure it is the firewire card and not the device? |
| [04:10:27] | A-: | http://www.linux1394.org/hcl.php?class_id=2 |
| [04:10:28] | doje: | A-: don't know how to tell that |
| [04:10:45] | A-: | test the card with other devices |
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| [04:11:25] | doje: | I only have the one :( the dredded cable STB |
| [04:12:00] | doje: | I might be able to borrow an HD cam from a friend though |
| [04:12:30] | A-: | what chips do the cards use? |
| [04:12:39] | SoulBlade: | gah... so weird |
| [04:12:42] | doje: | the primary problem seems to be myth "starting up" |
| [04:12:53] | A-: | looks like most of the elcheapo cards on newegg all use the same via vt630x chip |
| [04:13:05] | doje: | once it's recording , it generally is fine |
| [04:13:13] | SoulBlade: | vlc /dev/video0 fails... but cat /dev/video0 > out.mpg in one terminal and then doing vlc out.mpg works fine |
| [04:13:15] | doje: | one is a Siig |
| [04:13:21] | doje: | hold on |
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| [04:14:23] | A-: | Siig makes boards, afaik they don't make their own silicon |
| [04:15:13] | doje: | can you tell the chip from the CLI somehow ? |
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| [04:15:35] | A-: | yeah |
| [04:15:40] | A-: | dmesg and look for 1394 |
| [04:15:45] | A-: | or lspci might give you some hings |
| [04:15:49] | A-: | hints |
| [04:16:55] | doje: | lspci I knew – i think it's this one: http://www.linux1394.org/view_device.php?id=2 |
| [04:17:37] | doje: | this is the other: http://www.linux1394.org/view_device.php?id=710 |
| [04:17:48] | A-: | well the bad news is that I don't think there is much you can do if it is the cable box |
| [04:17:58] | A-: | perhaps get your cable company to swap it out for a different model |
| [04:18:29] | doje: | ha, maybe – i think they just have the one |
| [04:18:52] | doje: | i had to come home from work twice to get the one i have |
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| [04:29:33] | doje: | A-: I can't get into the system now |
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| [04:32:33] | Disputin: | /msg NickServ |
| [04:33:53] | A-: | doje: I'm sorry |
| [04:34:18] | doje: | no problem – the machine is frozen now |
| [04:35:51] | doje: | the LCD is still going, but that's it – i'm going to let it sit for a while and see if it comes back before i reset it |
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| [05:35:26] | Ava-_: | hey anyone in here run mythtv on hardy? |
| [05:35:36] | Ava-_: | every since i upgraded I cannot tune my HD chans |
| [05:35:51] | Ava-_: | I see the modules loading correctly for my dvb card aned I see it loading the firmware in dmesg |
| [05:35:59] | Ava-_: | but all my HD channels are greyed out |
| [05:36:02] | Ava-_: | and I get this... |
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| [05:36:28] | Ava-_: | [51824.822220] ivtv1: All encoder MPG stream buffers are full. Dropping data. |
| [05:36:30] | Ava-_: | [51824.822228] ivtv1: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough. |
| [05:36:37] | Ava-_: | any ideas? |
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| [06:20:09] | Dagmar: | Buy moar cpuz |
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| [07:06:52] | p1mrx: | so, how do I delete a recording profile from the Transcoders list? |
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| [07:51:45] | LonEagle: | ugh. that's great. so now that i have digital ota tv i have 2 of every show |
| [07:52:01] | LonEagle: | i should delete the HD channels from my lineup |
| [07:53:41] | LonEagle: | i should just build a new myth box too, but man... |
| [07:55:45] | Deek: | LonEagle: No episode marking? |
| [07:56:16] | LonEagle: | how so? |
| [07:56:24] | LonEagle: | actually the problem is right now i can't even bring up the live tv thing |
| [07:56:34] | LonEagle: | it slaughters my machine and i can't see anything |
| [07:56:52] | LonEagle: | cause the first channel it tries to tune is hd |
| [07:57:28] | Deek: | when I set a recording, unless it's an unidentified episode, it will only record once. |
| [07:58:14] | Deek: | Unidentified eps will usually record every time they're on (which means two at the same time for my two tuners), so I set recordings to exclude those. |
| [07:58:19] | LonEagle: | ah. |
| [07:58:25] | LonEagle: | hm |
| [07:58:29] | LonEagle: | i dunno i'm going to have to play with it |
| [07:58:39] | LonEagle: | the whole hdtv thing is kind of a pickle for me |
| [07:58:54] | Deek: | what, machine can't hack it? |
| [08:01:04] | LonEagle: | 850mhz p3 |
| [08:01:24] | LonEagle: | is a nice silent myth box though |
| [08:02:54] | Deek: | yeah, you basically haven't a prayer of playing HD with myth. Maybe another program, but mythfrontend tends to need more grunt than, say, mplayer. |
| [08:03:51] | LonEagle: | i don't WANT to play HD is the thing |
| [08:03:58] | LonEagle: | no hdtv |
| [08:04:02] | LonEagle: | don't really watch much tv |
| [08:04:12] | LonEagle: | just want to play the standard-def stuff |
| [08:04:45] | LonEagle: | and i just proved that the myth box can handle a digital station in sd |
| [08:05:13] | LonEagle: | so that's encouraging |
| [08:05:16] | Deek: | Are you sure it's actually digital? |
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| [08:06:08] | Deek: | Digital stations don't usually simulcast HD and non-HD programming. |
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| [08:06:42] | Davo_Dinkum: | heh |
| [08:06:44] | anenigma_: | in australia they sure do |
| [08:06:50] | Davo_Dinkum: | they do in australia |
| [08:06:55] | LonEagle: | they seem to in my area too |
| [08:06:58] | LonEagle: | except for nbc |
| [08:07:00] | anenigma_: | most channels in australia are simulcast in HD |
| [08:07:10] | Davo_Dinkum: | most=commercial |
| [08:07:33] | LonEagle: | most of my stations seem to have both an HD and an SD program in the same freq |
| [08:07:41] | LonEagle: | like i said, except for my NBC station |
| [08:07:47] | Deek: | e.g. if you're watching a CBS affiliate when CSI comes on, you will get the analog SD signal, and the digital HD signal. |
| [08:08:04] | LonEagle: | um no i'm talking strictly digital here. |
| [08:08:12] | LonEagle: | pretty sure the hdhomerun doesn't recieve NTSC broadcasts at all |
| [08:08:19] | Deek: | it does |
| [08:08:45] | Deek: | e.g. channel 8.0 analog, 8.1 digital, maybe 8.2 for another channel |
| [08:08:54] | LonEagle: | um no it doesn't work that way |
| [08:09:13] | LonEagle: | an analog channel takes up its entire allotted frequency band |
| [08:09:15] | Davo_Dinkum: | 7 9 and 10 all broadcast hd sd and analog |
| [08:09:24] | LonEagle: | the 8.1 and 8.2 is a mock channel number |
| [08:09:30] | Davo_Dinkum: | the hd is usually the same as sd and analog |
| [08:09:31] | LonEagle: | the actual frequency is dfferent |
| [08:09:36] | Deek: | LonEagle: Sometimes. |
| [08:10:02] | Deek: | I know the channel ID is not connected to the frequency. |
| [08:10:12] | LonEagle: | ok |
| [08:10:15] | Davo_Dinkum: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_HD#External_links |
| [08:10:23] | tjcarter: | easy come, easy go |
| [08:10:32] | ** tjcarter is about to be a poor grad student again ** | |
| [08:10:49] | Davo_Dinkum: | back to school? |
| [08:11:26] | Davo_Dinkum: | does anyone use the EPG channels for mythtv, or is such data grabbed from other sources? |
| [08:11:29] | tjcarter: | I've been back to school for awhile, but I just got my financial aid loans that were delayed obnoxiously. |
| [08:11:46] | LonEagle: | i should go to bed. |
| [08:11:53] | LonEagle: | because i'm not in australia :P |
| [08:12:10] | Deek: | LonEagle: Anyway, you don't need a HDTV to view HD programming. The cheapest $200 DTV sets will happily play 1080i and 720p scaled down to 480 |
| [08:12:15] | Davo_Dinkum: | come to australia then :D |
| [08:12:40] | tjcarter: | of course, I need a laptop |
| [08:12:50] | Davo_Dinkum: | buy mine |
| [08:12:56] | tjcarter: | is it 3lb? |
| [08:13:09] | Deek: | (because HD is really meaningless in terms of the bitstream) |
| [08:13:11] | Davo_Dinkum: | pfft who measures in pounds? |
| [08:13:19] | Davo_Dinkum: | it's a thinkpad R32 |
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| [08:13:45] | tjcarter: | so it's a brick ;) |
| [08:13:54] | Davo_Dinkum: | it will love you FOREVER |
| [08:14:02] | Davo_Dinkum: | love you long time |
| [08:14:09] | tjcarter: | a well-behaved brick, but still a brick |
| [08:14:13] | Davo_Dinkum: | heh |
| [08:14:19] | Deek: | T series, baybee. |
| [08:14:28] | Davo_Dinkum: | x series, baybee |
| [08:14:28] | LonEagle: | Deek: yes... but then it's not on my myth box |
| [08:14:56] | LonEagle: | which is the point |
| [08:15:15] | tjcarter: | I carry 30lb of books while hoofing it to an elementary school, then across town to university where I have classes from the time I get out of student teaching until either 7:30 or 9pm |
| [08:15:22] | tjcarter: | then I have to walk home lugging same |
| [08:15:39] | Deek: | Nah, X series is too weenie. :) |
| [08:15:54] | tjcarter: | for me, 6–7lb lappy won't do it.. |
| [08:16:09] | tjcarter: | Unless Joseph faceplants in sidewalk on the way home |
| [08:16:15] | tjcarter: | This is deemed unacceptable. |
| [08:16:17] | tjcarter: | =) |
| [08:16:18] | Deek: | Screens too small, no bays for dual batteries, etc. |
| [08:16:56] | tjcarter: | Deek: I got outlets at uni and have dealt with 12" screens fine. Glued to same, mind you, but ... yeah. |
| [08:17:09] | tjcarter: | I'm buying an airbook |
| [08:17:17] | Deek: | on purpose? |
| [08:17:21] | Davo_Dinkum: | lol |
| [08:17:24] | Davo_Dinkum: | the macbook air? |
| [08:17:37] | tjcarter: | it's got more power than Sony TZ, is lighter, and is cheaper. |
| [08:17:50] | tjcarter: | it's also got a screen and keyboard not totally pathetic |
| [08:17:53] | Davo_Dinkum: | what size screen is the TZ? |
| [08:18:04] | tjcarter: | like 11 or 12" I think |
| [08:18:32] | Davo_Dinkum: | some of the older VAIOs have ~10hr battery |
| [08:19:05] | Deek: | tjcarter: For a superlight, X series is pretty-much the best out there...I just like something I could kill a man with if I had to. :) |
| [08:19:32] | tjcarter: | The problem is that even if it's the cheapest of the 3lb-or-less line, it has the disadvantage of being $1800 before you start talking about discount options |
| [08:19:48] | tjcarter: | Deek: you spent too much time in Zeph's proximity |
| [08:19:57] | Deek: | (and they're light enough too...4lb is nothing to sneeze at) |
| [08:20:00] | Davo_Dinkum: | do card counting at the blackjack tables |
| [08:20:01] | tjcarter: | him and those IBMs |
| [08:20:06] | Davo_Dinkum: | you'll have enough cash |
| [08:20:32] | tjcarter: | Davo_Dinkum: I will manage. I may have to do the fedex envelope laptop sleeve ;) |
| [08:20:44] | Davo_Dinkum: | lol laptop sleeves |
| [08:21:01] | tjcarter: | Suppose I could even put a return shipping label on it ;) |
| [08:21:04] | Davo_Dinkum: | im like an army sargent gent with my laptop |
| [08:21:06] | Deek: | tjcarter: The Air is more expensive and heavier than the IBM. |
| [08:21:20] | Deek: | And not as thin, for that matter. |
| [08:21:31] | Davo_Dinkum: | and the air has ghey EFI |
| [08:21:59] | tjcarter: | lenovo has something thinner than .76" at the thickest? |
| [08:22:19] | Davo_Dinkum: | do you really need it to be so thin? |
| [08:22:27] | tjcarter: | Need it to be so light |
| [08:22:35] | Davo_Dinkum: | ah |
| [08:22:37] | tjcarter: | thinness is acceptable but not mandatory |
| [08:22:42] | Davo_Dinkum: | get a PDA :D |
| [08:22:43] | tjcarter: | want real keyboard |
| [08:22:47] | tjcarter: | I carry a PDA |
| [08:22:55] | Deek: | tjcarter: X300 |
| [08:22:56] | tjcarter: | I used to carry like three PDAs |
| [08:23:01] | Davo_Dinkum: | lol why? |
| [08:23:24] | Deek: | 13.3" 1440x900, 2.5lb |
| [08:24:11] | tjcarter: | 2.93 says lenovo |
| [08:24:31] | Davo_Dinkum: | go to the store with a pair of scales then |
| [08:24:39] | tjcarter: | "Lenovo's amazing new ThinkPad X300 ultraportable notebook is the thinnest ThinkPad ever – less than 0.73''at its thinnest. It's light, too, starting at just 2.93 lb." |
| [08:25:02] | tjcarter: | the thickest part of the airbook is 0.76 |
| [08:25:11] | Davo_Dinkum: | "Lenovo's lskfglsdfkgjsdflg marketing BS 2.93 lb." |
| [08:25:24] | tjcarter: | lol |
| [08:25:40] | tjcarter: | The 3 USB is a factor though |
| [08:26:00] | tjcarter: | the airbook is cute and all, but they only get one onboard. You'd only use it with a hub obviously, but still |
| [08:26:07] | Deek: | tjcarter: And the Mac doesn't have a removable battery. |
| [08:26:35] | tjcarter: | It's removable--you just need screwdriver =D |
| [08:26:42] | tjcarter: | (so not really removable) |
| [08:26:48] | DGnome: | Deek: and how often do you have to rip your battery out of your laptop? |
| [08:26:59] | Deek: | have to? |
| [08:27:02] | tjcarter: | DGnome: prior to lion, I did often |
| [08:27:03] | Deek: | You gotta be kidding. |
| [08:27:17] | Deek: | I do it because I've got spares. |
| [08:27:20] | tjcarter: | but since lion became standard, basically only when I must replace a bad one |
| [08:27:37] | DGnome: | Deek: I've only once had the battery out of my macbook, and that was because I was showing in another gig of ram |
| [08:27:42] | tjcarter: | too weight-conscious to carry extra battery |
| [08:28:04] | Deek: | tjcarter: Why carry it? :) |
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| [08:28:21] | tjcarter: | what good is it if you haven't got the spare with you? |
| [08:28:53] | Deek: | Keep a spare where you're likely to need it — like in your desk. |
| [08:28:55] | tjcarter: | Also, looking at the X300, I know I can get OS X on it pretty nicely, but ... |
| [08:29:44] | tjcarter: | No version of Linux is as easily accessible to me, and Windows requires some $2000 in software you won't find on bittorrent anywhere for me to ue. |
| [08:29:48] | tjcarter: | use.. |
| [08:30:29] | tjcarter: | It's the main reason all of my boxes without screens attached tend to run Linux, and all the ones with screens tend to have Apple logos |
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| [08:31:29] | tjcarter: | not needing to give up the USB port for ethernet and having three USB ports does make the X300 look very promising |
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| [08:31:49] | Deek: | I do keep forgetting you're blind as a bat. :) |
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| [08:32:44] | Deek: | hey, cool, it's got a GPS receiver :) |
| [08:32:46] | Davo_Dinkum: | tjcarter's blind? |
| [08:32:57] | Deek: | not technically |
| [08:33:19] | tjcarter: | yes technically |
| [08:33:28] | tjcarter: | 20/310 |
| [08:33:45] | tjcarter: | 20/200 is the cutoff for blindness |
| [08:33:50] | Davo_Dinkum: | what's that in english? |
| [08:33:58] | tjcarter: | 6/60 |
| [08:34:07] | Dagmar: | That's about twice as bad as my eyesight. |
| [08:34:37] | tjcarter: | roughly speaking, if I can read something at six meters away, you can read it at 60 meters. |
| [08:34:38] | Dagmar: | So, for those of you who have excellent/normal vision, here's a benchmark... He probably can't count his own fingers at the end of his arm. |
| [08:34:48] | tjcarter: | (except I can't see that well) |
| [08:34:59] | tjcarter: | and my eyes are crappier still under direct lighting |
| [08:35:04] | tjcarter: | I see NOTHING in sunlight. |
| [08:35:15] | ** Deek is 20/5 corrected ** | |
| [08:35:16] | tjcarter: | unless blue-white pain counts. |
| [08:35:25] | Davo_Dinkum: | im probably screwing my vision by doing to much close up stuff, like sitting at the computer |
| [08:35:31] | EvilGuru: | tjcarter: Do you use any kind of text-to-speech |
| [08:36:00] | Deek: | Davo_Dinkum: Actually, it's not the close-up stuff, it's focusing on a fixed distance that messes you up. |
| [08:36:10] | tjcarter: | EvilGuru: I use custom colors, custom fonts (large), magnification where I can't, speech when those don't work, and would use Braille if I could afford it. |
| [08:36:56] | Davo_Dinkum: | Deek: so i should adjust the distance between eyes and screen? |
| [08:37:15] | Deek: | If you look at something far away every now and again, you help to keep your eyes young. |
| [08:37:19] | tjcarter: | http://yumi.bluecherry.net/~tjcarter/small%20fonts.png |
| [08:37:33] | Davo_Dinkum: | define far away |
| [08:37:36] | Davo_Dinkum: | ~3 metres? |
| [08:38:08] | Deek: | other than right in front of your face. :) |
| [08:38:17] | Davo_Dinkum: | k |
| [08:38:27] | tjcarter: | Deek has seen the kind of fonts I use before |
| [08:38:33] | Davo_Dinkum: | because when i go shopping the signs are blurry sometimes |
| [08:38:34] | tjcarter: | fhuge. |
| [08:38:37] | Davo_Dinkum: | and it worries me |
| [08:39:09] | Deek: | Prevention is way easier than recovery. |
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| [08:39:20] | Davo_Dinkum: | yes |
| [08:39:22] | tjcarter: | Deek: OTOH, I've settled on a new printer =) |
| [08:39:36] | tjcarter: | I am replacing this HP boat anchor |
| [08:39:41] | ** Deek doesn't believe in printers ;) ** | |
| [08:39:51] | Davo_Dinkum: | yay printers suck |
| [08:39:52] | tjcarter: | the ONLY reasonable print driver for it is the Linux one |
| [08:40:03] | Davo_Dinkum: | postscript? |
| [08:40:05] | tjcarter: | http://yumi.bluecherry.net/~tjcarter/content/ |
| [08:40:14] | tjcarter: | have a look at the genetics chapter |
| [08:40:26] | tjcarter: | THAT was one of my homework assignments fall term. |
| [08:40:30] | EvilGuru: | I dislike post-script printers; as documents with transparency need to be rasterised |
| [08:40:51] | Deek: | I have two of them, both HPs (LJ5 and a DJsomething-or-other), both not hooked up. |
| [08:40:51] | Davo_Dinkum: | tjcarter: is that 10.5? |
| [08:41:01] | EvilGuru: | much nicer if they can take PDF documents |
| [08:41:07] | ** tjcarter has HP Photosmart C4180 ** | |
| [08:41:11] | tjcarter: | Davo_Dinkum: yes |
| [08:41:27] | Deek: | I just hate paper. |
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| [08:41:49] | Davo_Dinkum: | do you have a japanese toilet? :D |
| [08:42:06] | tjcarter: | My printer has shit for windows drivers and even more shit for mac drivers. Linux drivers are the ONLY ONES that don't suck |
| [08:42:17] | Deek: | I never write with a pencil because it makes my skin crawl :) |
| [08:42:29] | tjcarter: | and you just set up cups and sane with hpijs and send the thing PDFs |
| [08:42:50] | tjcarter: | excuse me, hplip |
| [08:42:57] | Davo_Dinkum: | do your printing at kinkos |
| [08:43:09] | tjcarter: | kinkos is 30 miles from me |
| [08:43:09] | EvilGuru: | OS X uses CUPS |
| [08:43:15] | tjcarter: | Apple owns CUPS |
| [08:43:23] | Davo_Dinkum: | "kinko: the kinkiest sounding print shop ever!" |
| [08:43:27] | tjcarter: | but hplip doesn't work on a mac |
| [08:43:28] | tjcarter: | =( |
| [08:43:33] | Davo_Dinkum: | port it |
| [08:43:51] | tjcarter: | and I haven't got a spare linux box to use as a print server right now =D |
| [08:43:54] | Deek: | hah, have you looked at driverkit? |
| [08:44:09] | EvilGuru: | Although I do agree with Linux and printing |
| [08:44:24] | EvilGuru: | I was setting up my families computer ubuntu and it was just a case of plugging the thing in |
| [08:44:31] | Davo_Dinkum: | i want printouts to come from a magical hole in the wall |
| [08:44:34] | tjcarter: | there is no way I'm going to sort out the differences between USBkit and hplip's linuxisms |
| [08:44:43] | Davo_Dinkum: | EvilGuru: usb or parallel printer? |
| [08:44:47] | EvilGuru: | USB |
| [08:44:53] | Davo_Dinkum: | course |
| [08:45:05] | EvilGuru: | ~4–5 year old HP one, I remember installing in on Windows... |
| [08:45:08] | Davo_Dinkum: | parallel printers sometimes need you to restart the pc |
| [08:45:32] | tjcarter: | anyway, I am seeing the opposite with this Canon |
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| [08:45:41] | tjcarter: | PIXMA MX850 |
| [08:45:55] | Davo_Dinkum: | lol canon |
| [08:45:56] | Deek: | Davo_Dinkum: It's not the printer, it's the port — it can be dangerous to plug in a parallel device. |
| [08:45:57] | tjcarter: | in Linux it's a fairly sucky photo printer (quite decent office printer) |
| [08:46:09] | Davo_Dinkum: | Deek: yeah it needs to be detected |
| [08:46:11] | tjcarter: | on a Mac though, it does everything. |
| [08:46:29] | despen: | How do I configure MythTv to play rared movies? The xbox xbmc does this and I really like it.. |
| [08:46:42] | tjcarter: | it has a real ADF (some HPs do, epsons don't) |
| [08:46:43] | Deek: | It would be nice if Apple weren't the freakin' devil. |
| [08:46:53] | EvilGuru: | They are turning into the devil |
| [08:46:58] | Deek: | turning? |
| [08:47:05] | Deek: | they always were like that. |
| [08:47:06] | tjcarter: | it prints, scans double-sided(!) |
| [08:47:14] | tjcarter: | fax stuff (lol) |
| [08:47:15] | hashbang: | despen: I don't think it can be done, and that's getting dangerously close to talking about watching warez'ed torrents. |
| [08:47:21] | Davo_Dinkum: | sheet feed scanners rock |
| [08:47:30] | Deek: | rared? |
| [08:47:32] | Dagmar: | despen: Start by negotiating a licence for RAR |
| [08:47:37] | Davo_Dinkum: | dont worry he rared it himself |
| [08:47:41] | Deek: | oh, RAR |
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| [08:47:56] | EvilGuru: | Pirated me thinks |
| [08:47:59] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: isn't there a free unrar implementation? |
| [08:48:01] | Dagmar: | hashbang: I think it's pretty damn obvious he's talking about warezed videos |
| [08:48:09] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: Nope. |
| [08:48:15] | Deek: | tjcarter: it's crap, and not actually free. |
| [08:48:17] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: part of some other multi-archiver that was under creative commons iirc? |
| [08:48:24] | Dagmar: | Again, nope. |
| [08:48:33] | Dagmar: | RAR is not free. |
| [08:48:34] | tjcarter: | unrar program itself is both crap and non-free yes |
| [08:48:44] | EvilGuru: | All free-software that can unrar actually uses the unrar command line app, which is not FOSS |
| [08:48:59] | EvilGuru: | lzma normally produces better compression anyway |
| [08:49:09] | Deek: | There's a free (beer) unrar, and a REALLY bad free (real) unrar. |
| [08:49:39] | Deek: | Debian used to provide the free one, but it didn't work for anything recent. |
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| [08:50:11] | tjcarter: | so anyway, the only problem with this canon that I can find is that it doesn't print CDs. Except it does if you go into service menu and tell it that it's a european printer instead of a US one and shove a CD tray into the paper slot ;) |
| [08:50:19] | tjcarter: | CD tray is like $25 |
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| [08:50:59] | Dagmar: | Deek: It only handled files that were compressed in the format used previous to 2.9 yeah |
| [08:51:15] | tjcarter: | and unlike the HP boat anchor, the scanner is really TWAIN, which means I don't have to use TWAIN-SANE bridge and other silliness |
| [08:51:31] | Davo_Dinkum: | i want a duplexing laser |
| [08:51:53] | Deek: | hahahahaha....man, there's a real kook on the IMDb comments for Jericho. |
| [08:51:55] | tjcarter: | I can't afford $80 a toner cart for each color ;) |
| [08:52:07] | Davo_Dinkum: | pffft |
| [08:52:13] | Davo_Dinkum: | get a b&w laser |
| [08:52:16] | tjcarter: | I print too much color (see the genetics assignment) |
| [08:52:21] | Deek: | he claims it was cancelled because of pressure from the US government. |
| [08:52:24] | Deek: | :) |
| [08:53:19] | tjcarter: | Davo_Dinkum: http://yumi.bluecherry.net/~tjcarter/content/ . . . genetics.pdf |
| [08:53:19] | Dagmar: | It wouldn't suprise me to find that actually to be true, but it would likely have been the act of someone working outside their official capacity, because an official capacity might be construed as attempting to exercise prior restraint. |
| [08:53:58] | Deek: | Dagmar: The government doesn't bother. |
| [08:54:03] | hashbang: | Deek: hehe |
| [08:54:16] | hashbang: | Deek: as opposed to just plain poor ratings, presumably? |
| [08:54:25] | tjcarter: | hashbang: yeah |
| [08:54:48] | Deek: | Dagmar: Companies exercise self-censorship because it's bad for business — there's no need at all for the government to get involved. |
| [08:54:53] | despen: | Next, question. If I use mythtv backend at one computer and use the frontend on another computer and want to watch dvd on the computer with the frontend do I have to insert the dvd in the computer with the backend? |
| [08:54:56] | Dagmar: | Deek: Individual little power-mad jerks do more than you'd expect. |
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| [08:55:16] | Deek: | Dagmar: Not more than I expect. :) |
| [08:56:35] | Deek: | tjcarter can verify the level of paranoia I maintain in most aspects. :) |
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| [08:57:03] | Dagmar: | despen: The DVD player is a plugin. That should be all you need to know. |
| [08:58:20] | tjcarter: | I can. |
| [08:59:35] | tjcarter: | oh shit, the iPhone DevTeam has released their firmware hacking tool.. *sigh* Stay far far away from the geek news sites |
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| [09:00:23] | tjcarter: | they'll be flooded with morons and teenagers. (Determining which is which based on posting is an exercise left to anyone foolish enough to be a reader) |
| [09:00:38] | Deek: | <Apple>Set lawyers to kill!</Apple> |
| [09:00:44] | andrboot: | Hi, i am geting Mythmusic has encountered the following error: decoderMAD:Cannot find a valid MPEG Header, yet it was playing music fine 5 seconds ago.. any way to fix? |
| [09:01:29] | Deek: | I'm guessing it can't find a valid MPEG header. |
| [09:01:34] | Dagmar: | andrboot: Try playing a different file because you've just told it to play a thumbnail. |
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| [09:01:42] | andrboot: | hmmm |
| [09:01:58] | andrboot: | if it is my entire collection of mp3s? and they work fine on another player? |
| [09:04:06] | Dagmar: | Then you need to dig more. |
| [09:04:09] | Dagmar: | Or reboot the machine. |
| [09:04:15] | Dagmar: | You're the one who has control of the box. |
| [09:04:25] | Dagmar: | The only thing we can tell you based on what you've told us is "it's broken" |
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| [09:07:12] | wild_oscar: | hi there |
| [09:07:37] | wild_oscar: | I have looked on the webpage but can't find clear info on this matter |
| [09:08:00] | directhex|work: | which matter? |
| [09:08:09] | directhex|work: | if it's purple and swollen, go see a doctor |
| [09:08:10] | andrboot: | lol |
| [09:08:15] | wild_oscar: | I have cable tv which uses a set top box to access premium channels and some package channels |
| [09:08:26] | wild_oscar: | (fox, mtv, etc9 |
| [09:08:52] | wild_oscar: | the box's output is a scart |
| [09:08:58] | andrboot: | Dagmar, i have had the same issue on another box running FC8.. i didn't fix it mainly because i gave hte box to smeone else.. this is a debian box.. it holds the files itself not on the network |
| [09:09:07] | andrboot: | though it is sys link'd to them |
| [09:09:19] | wild_oscar: | how can I connect it to the computer so I can access these channels? |
| [09:09:46] | wild_oscar: | if I connect the coaxial cable directly to the tv card, I lose access to these channels |
| [09:09:49] | directhex|work: | wild_oscar, where are you globally? |
| [09:09:55] | wild_oscar: | I just get the "analog" channels |
| [09:09:56] | wild_oscar: | Portugal |
| [09:10:06] | Dagmar: | You would either need a tuner card with an SCART input (unlikely) or use an SCARD converter to convert things to some other format that your tuner card can handle. |
| [09:10:07] | directhex|work: | wild_oscar, okay, you need a hauppauge pvr150 card |
| [09:10:48] | directhex|work: | wild_oscar, you would use a scart-to-something-else adapter (they're cheap and easy to find), and an ir blaster, to basically make your pc pretend to be the cable box remote, and grab the video output sent through the scart socket |
| [09:11:14] | wild_oscar: | directhex|work: what's particular about that card? |
| [09:11:58] | directhex|work: | wild_oscar, there are two types of analog capture card – framegrabbers, and mpeg encoders. the pvr150 is the budget end mpeg encoder. framegrabbers suck for a variety of reasons |
| [09:12:03] | wild_oscar: | I only know of scart to rca (scart to yellow, white and red) – is there a scart-to-single-plug with audio and video? |
| [09:12:20] | directhex|work: | scart *IS* single plug audio & video |
| [09:12:26] | wild_oscar: | hmm...I probably have 2 framegrabber cards at home then :P |
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| [09:12:35] | wild_oscar: | they're old and unused |
| [09:12:50] | wild_oscar: | I meant scart-to-something |
| [09:13:24] | directhex|work: | why framegrabbers suck: 1) they use your CPU to do compression. 2) image quality sucks 3) videos saved with a framegrabber can't be easily re-used (e.g. burnt to dvd) |
| [09:13:25] | wild_oscar: | I see that the pvr150 only has coaxial input: http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr150.html |
| [09:13:52] | directhex|work: | http://www.hauppauge.com/images/pvr150-250_ep_bg.jpg |
| [09:14:00] | directhex|work: | looks like svideo and composite to me |
| [09:14:40] | wild_oscar: | yeah, just looking at another one |
| [09:14:50] | wild_oscar: | that could be an option |
| [09:14:56] | dustybin: | my framegrabber kicks ass |
| [09:16:54] | wild_oscar: | directhex|work: does the whole mpeg/framegrabber thing has to do with digital vs analog cards? |
| [09:17:02] | wild_oscar: | or is that a whole different discussion? |
| [09:17:09] | directhex|work: | that's a different discussion |
| [09:17:14] | directhex|work: | dustybin, no, it doesn't |
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| [09:17:57] | wild_oscar: | so if you want a card that handles hdtv, you'd want a mpeg card WITH digital support? |
| [09:18:02] | wild_oscar: | and pay 500€ for it |
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| [09:18:22] | quicksilver: | a digital card typically doesn't need to be an 'mpeg' card at all. |
| [09:18:29] | quicksilver: | it just passes on digital streams |
| [09:18:48] | quicksilver: | (most of the digital cards I've seen do have some kind of mpeg ability, often because they have analog in too. but that's not the essence) |
| [09:19:13] | quicksilver: | a digital card just understands transport streams and doesn't care if they contain MPEG2, MPEG4, or whatever. |
| [09:19:26] | directhex|work: | quicksilver, there's only one digital-and-mpeg-encoder card on the market iirc. most hybrids use a framegrabber for analog |
| [09:19:50] | directhex|work: | wild_oscar, nobody sells an HD-capable analog capture device yet |
| [09:20:04] | wild_oscar: | well, probably an hdtv card isn't very useful right now |
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| [09:20:21] | quicksilver: | directhex|work: oh, I probably misunderstood what mine does. |
| [09:20:25] | quicksilver: | directhex|work: I never use that bit of it anyway :) |
| [09:20:26] | wild_oscar: | at least here in Portugal...I don't think there is any hdtv emission yet |
| [09:23:42] | wild_oscar: | directhex|work: how do I check which kind of card is mine? |
| [09:23:50] | wild_oscar: | (framegrabber vs mpeg)? |
| [09:24:00] | EvilGuru: | wild_oscar: What card is it? |
| [09:24:03] | Dagmar: | You use a search engine, mainly |
| [09:24:40] | directhex|work: | wild_oscar, if it was cheap, there's a pretty good chance it's a framegrabber |
| [09:24:46] | wild_oscar: | a saa7134 ? |
| [09:24:56] | wild_oscar: | I dunno, came with the computer... |
| [09:25:09] | Dagmar: | It'll be a framegrabber then |
| [09:25:18] | wild_oscar: | it had a s-video input with an external bay, now that i remember |
| [09:25:20] | Dagmar: | It's not like running lspci is hard, by the way |
| [09:25:52] | directhex|work: | there are digital cards using saa7134 aren't there? i'm sure my technotrend uses it |
| [09:26:07] | wild_oscar: | Philips Semiconductors SAA7134/SAA7135HL Video Broadcast Decoder |
| [09:26:31] | wild_oscar: | Dagmar: I forgot the command, was only remembering lsmod) |
| [09:28:11] | wild_oscar: | (brb) |
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| [09:29:39] | andrboot: | fixed thanks Dagmar you were rgiht :P |
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| [09:30:26] | purserj: | quick question, do any of the 'official plugins' use helper scripts? |
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| [09:43:29] | wild_oscar: | directhex|work: can you record and watch at the same time with a capture card like that? |
| [09:44:37] | directhex|work: | wild_oscar, no. one set-top box per active "viewing" |
| [09:44:40] | directhex|work: | wild_oscar, analog sucks |
| [09:45:25] | wild_oscar: | yeah...I'm thinking if it is worth the trouble |
| [09:45:40] | wild_oscar: | also, don't think I'll be able to switch channels without my set top box |
| [09:46:04] | wild_oscar: | which makes the whole xmltv thing rather useless |
| [09:46:50] | directhex|work: | that's what the ir blaster does. tells the set-top box when to change channels |
| [09:47:00] | directhex|work: | the whole setup is farcical |
| [09:47:13] | directhex|work: | direct digital connections are infinitely nicer |
| [09:47:45] | Deek: | indeed. |
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| [09:48:05] | wild_oscar: | what do you mean? direct coaxial cable? |
| [09:48:16] | Deek: | no |
| [09:48:20] | Deek: | 1394 |
| [09:48:40] | Deek: | "firewire" |
| [09:49:22] | directhex|work: | Deek, no. direct coaxial cable |
| [09:49:27] | directhex|work: | firewire is an americanism |
| [09:50:07] | Deek: | oh, you mean dvb |
| [09:50:22] | wild_oscar: | directhex|work: that depends on the country you're in, right? ie, in Portugal I'm stuck with the other option |
| [09:50:38] | wild_oscar: | or does it depend on the card instead? |
| [09:50:52] | justinh: | depends on what is available where you live, largely |
| [09:51:51] | wild_oscar: | bummer |
| [09:51:58] | wild_oscar: | I *think* |
| [09:52:39] | justinh: | surely portugal has DVB already |
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| [09:53:04] | wild_oscar: | no idea.. |
| [09:53:18] | wild_oscar: | dvb = hdtv? |
| [09:53:25] | justinh: | heh you get dvb-t in October |
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| [09:53:38] | justinh: | dvb == digital TV |
| [09:53:42] | Saviq: | hello, I'm trying to run mythtv-setup over ssh -X, 'cause I only have a backend on that machine, but I'm getting squares instead of letters, what am I missing? |
| [09:53:46] | justinh: | may or may not include HDTV |
| [09:53:54] | justinh: | Saviq: FONTS |
| [09:54:05] | directhex|work: | fonty font font font! |
| [09:54:11] | Saviq: | k.. |
| [09:54:21] | justinh: | bloody Microsoft fonts at that, no doubt |
| [09:54:32] | justinh: | since all the mythtv core themes rely on em |
| [09:54:45] | Saviq: | shouldn't the fonts from my local machine be used? |
| [09:54:51] | directhex|work: | Saviq, how? |
| [09:55:06] | justinh: | wild_oscar: http://www.dvb.org/about_dvb/dvb_worldwide/portugal/index.xml |
| [09:55:09] | Saviq: | right... |
| [09:55:13] | directhex|work: | how does an app rendering remotely use fonts stored locally? |
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| [09:58:11] | wild_oscar: | cheers, justinh |
| [09:58:26] | wild_oscar: | as I thought |
| [09:58:36] | wild_oscar: | no dvb |
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| [10:00:15] | justinh: | wild_oscar: surprising, cos I was led to believe my a coworker some time ago that portugal was steaming ahead in technology – mostly because when there's no existing infrastructure it's a lot easier to fit new than to upgrade old stuff |
| [10:00:21] | justinh: | s/my/by |
| [10:01:05] | directhex|work: | maybe they have some dvb-s or dvb-c |
| [10:01:09] | directhex|work: | i shall check for CAMs! |
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| [10:01:56] | justinh: | just remembered I can now go & adjust some recording schedules since I really don't have any more conflict worries :) |
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| [10:05:32] | wild_oscar: | we're ahead in some sectors...but strangely, not in tv |
| [10:06:02] | wild_oscar: | there is a triple play service that works with radio waves that says they are ready for hdtv though |
| [10:06:44] | justinh: | dvb-h – pointless shite |
| [10:06:58] | Davo_Dinkum: | h is the portable one? |
| [10:08:55] | Saviq: | yes |
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| [10:13:12] | wild_oscar: | well, on the cable provider's forum someone from the company says "the cable signal is analog and digital (DVB-C)" |
| [10:14:01] | wild_oscar: | but that "you cannot watch the digital channels from the "funtastic life" package on your pc. you need a set top box receptor" |
| [10:14:32] | directhex|work: | i see references to nagra2 on t'interweb |
| [10:15:19] | directhex|work: | tv cabo uses nagra. confirmed |
| [10:17:01] | wild_oscar: | that's for the premium channels |
| [10:17:19] | wild_oscar: | which can only be seen with a set top box configured for them |
| [10:17:30] | wild_oscar: | but aside from that, you have that package |
| [10:18:18] | wild_oscar: | which are channels that are not encrypted (I think) but only available with a set top box (and not if u plug the coax cable directly to your tv) |
| [10:18:54] | directhex|work: | if you *need* a set-top box, it's encrypted |
| [10:19:00] | directhex|work: | even if it's free of charge |
| [10:19:04] | Davo_Dinkum: | dont you have some cable tv standard in the US where you can just plug a card into the tv? |
| [10:19:33] | wild_oscar: | the only apparent difference between premium and package channels is that premium channels are only available in ONE set top box and package channels are available on all set top boxes in your house |
| [10:20:06] | wild_oscar: | so I have 2 STB, I get Fox on both and the Sports channel only on one |
| [10:20:15] | wild_oscar: | *in |
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| [10:22:34] | directhex|work: | wild_oscar, does your contract with your provider contain a clause saying you may only use the set-top boxes they provide, or can you use any set-top box? |
| [10:23:29] | wild_oscar: | well, the guy on the forum always refers to them as |
| [10:23:37] | wild_oscar: | lacking the word in english... |
| [10:24:25] | wild_oscar: | well, "a STB approved by the company (eg: Powerbox)" |
| [10:25:20] | directhex|work: | that's a bad sign, then |
| [10:26:29] | wild_oscar: | it's a sign of what? |
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| [10:28:25] | directhex|work: | digital tv is designed for interoperability. sometimes channels are available without encryption, and sometimes they're encrypted. there are a number of encryption mechanisms in use, and to maintain interoperability, a system called Conditional Access allows you to buy a legit decrypter device to use with the set-top box of your choice |
| [10:29:00] | directhex|work: | so, for example, in poland, you buy any old satellite set-tob box you like, and the national satellite company (polsat) will sell you the decrypter (called a CAM) which will plug into it and allow you access to their channels |
| [10:30:21] | directhex|work: | tv cabo use an encryption mechanism called Nagravision, for which legit CAMs are available. however, if your contract with them forbids you from using "unapproved" devices (e.g. using a CAM instead of their branded set-top box), then you're stuck. they can also enforce it, via technical means, e.g. sending garbage signals down the cable that their boxes are programmed to ignore |
| [10:30:54] | directhex|work: | that's the way it works with virgin media cable in the uk (nagravision, purposely damaged signal, contract only allowing permitted set-top boxes) |
| [10:32:57] | wild_oscar: | bottom line: let's just leave tv viewing for the tv... |
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| [10:44:33] | justinh: | heh virgin media don't actually provide dvb-c – they're a set of rules unto themselves |
| [10:46:10] | directhex|work: | justinh, it's dvb-c with nagravision, and intentionally crippled nit tables |
| [10:46:31] | directhex|work: | decripple both encripplement layers, and it works. but breaks your contract. breaking contracts is bad, mmkay? |
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| [10:47:17] | justinh: | in future anything which doesn't adhere to a standard shouldn't be referred to by the name of said standard, IMHO |
| [10:47:33] | directhex|work: | there are times when you get suckered in |
| [10:47:42] | directhex|work: | by drugs and alcohol and sex with women, mmkay |
| [10:47:55] | directhex|work: | but it's when you do these things too much |
| [10:47:58] | Davo_Dinkum: | is that a plugin? |
| [10:48:15] | directhex|work: | Davo_Dinkum, ? |
| [10:48:36] | Davo_Dinkum: | (joke |
| [10:48:40] | Davo_Dinkum: | (jok) |
| [10:48:44] | Davo_Dinkum: | (joke) |
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| [11:03:55] | wild_oscar: | if I were to use the clumsy set up of controlling the STB through mythtv, can mythtv still use the xmltv listings, recording functionality and "browse through tv channels in mythtv" as before? |
| [11:04:57] | directhex|work: | yes |
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| [11:06:19] | wild_oscar: | hmm..I'll think about that when I have the courage and time for it then :P |
| [11:06:34] | wild_oscar: | (and a better tv card) |
| [11:07:41] | wild_oscar: | in the meantime I'll use OnTv to know what's on and switch my tv when I want |
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| [11:19:09] | piksi: | hi, are the mythgallery, mythweather etc related to the frontend or are they backend plugins? |
| [11:19:38] | directhex|work: | they are frontend plugins |
| [11:19:49] | directhex|work: | all plugins are frontend plugins |
| [11:19:54] | piksi: | ah, so all the functionality is built into the backend and not modularized |
| [11:20:09] | piksi: | thanks for quick answer :-) |
| [11:20:13] | directhex|work: | which functionality specifically? |
| [11:20:44] | piksi: | the myth – weather,gallery,music,video packages |
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| [11:27:52] | directhex|work: | all done by the frontend |
| [11:28:10] | directhex|work: | the database is often shared, but the functionality is all in the plugins in the frontend |
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| [11:35:54] | piksi: | directhex|work: ok |
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| [12:00:22] | crazy_bus: | can anyone help me get my xmltv data from oztivo downloading again? |
| [12:01:24] | directhex|work: | ask somewhere xmltv-related, i suspect |
| [12:03:45] | crazy_bus: | nm. I think I found it on this mythtv blog http://web.aanet.com.au/auric/ |
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| [12:45:47] | justinh: | ugh I've got to go to Maplin later |
| [12:46:02] | justinh: | well, don't _have_ to but the alternative is Hellfrauds |
| [12:46:23] | directhex|work: | what shiny things does justinh need? |
| [12:46:31] | directhex|work: | a high end geforce 5 for ?350? |
| [12:46:32] | justinh: | radio removal keys |
| [12:46:55] | hashbang: | bent coathangers |
| [12:47:11] | directhex|work: | hashbang, they're all out. they have monster cables though |
| [12:47:16] | hashbang: | heh |
| [12:47:16] | justinh: | who the hell still has wire coathangers |
| [12:47:26] | hashbang: | justinh: dry cleaners! |
| [12:47:43] | directhex|work: | tru dat |
| [12:47:47] | justinh: | I'll just stump up the £1.99 at maplin |
| [12:48:36] | justinh: | s'on my way home so wth |
| [12:48:48] | justinh: | easier than trying to track down a wire coat hanger |
| [12:49:02] | hashbang: | heh |
| [12:49:18] | hashbang: | justinh: use 'em, then return in within 10 days. |
| [12:49:46] | hashbang: | given your professed loathing of Maplin |
| [12:51:17] | justinh: | I do dislike Maplin but not as much as Hellfrauds of any of the DSG |
| [12:51:24] | justinh: | s/of/or |
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| [12:52:29] | justinh: | plus a couple of quid for an easy job is better than spending half an hour wiggling bent tin in the holes in the hope it's actually disengaged the clips |
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| [12:58:40] | justinh: | heebus. wharfdale freeview pvr/dvd recorder under £60 – cheap shite now eh |
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| [13:14:48] | justinh: | heh my friendly local car shop has got the keys in stock. a quid dearer but it's right around the corner & I don't have to give Maplin any money |
| [13:15:41] | directhex|work: | do they also know which water company my new house is served by? that would be handy |
| [13:19:05] | justinh: | I doubt it |
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| [13:39:26] | olsta: | hi |
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| [13:56:02] | olsta: | i have a problem with tv under 0.21 |
| [13:56:22] | olsta: | if i start tv the picture and epg lags |
| [13:56:34] | olsta: | it look like interlaced |
| [13:56:46] | olsta: | but only if ihad tv or look movie |
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| [14:06:21] | directhex|work: | olsta, playback profiles. poke them with a stick |
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| [14:10:17] | justinh: | heh. my timestretched shows start out playing back fine, but pause em & then they go all strobey |
| [14:10:46] | justinh: | need to investigate that some more – wouldn't be an issue if changing profiles wasn't such a PITA |
| [14:11:33] | justinh: | definitely one area where MOARSETTINGS is handy but slightly unwelcome |
| [14:11:45] | piksi: | any ubuntu users know a .deb repository for 0.21 packages? or are they among next release? |
| [14:12:21] | justinh: | pfft. just build from sourcicles :) |
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| [14:15:06] | PatrickDK: | heh? 0.21 has been in ubuntu for 2weeks now about |
| [14:15:19] | PatrickDK: | maybe longer |
| [14:16:58] | piksi: | PatrickDK: well i'm running gutsy with the normal repos and i see 0.20.2–0ubuntu10 |
| [14:17:18] | directhex|work: | 0.21 is in hardy and gutsy-backports |
| [14:17:24] | directhex|work: | as well as the mythbuntu ppa |
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| [14:23:47] | PatrickDK: | normal repos = never upgrade |
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| [14:43:26] | kslater: | so now that I finally have a real HDTV I need to upgrade to a nice looking wide-screen theme. What are people using? Any consensus on decent choices? |
| [14:44:17] | squish102: | if u find one, let me know, im also interested |
| [14:44:57] | kslater: | well that's not a good sign - ;-) |
| [14:45:22] | kslater: | I figured that I'm so far out of step that people would be tossing out their fav. |
| [14:45:23] | kslater: | hehe |
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| [14:59:50] | squish102: | kslater, i just selected one and it doesn't look that good, so before going through the efffort of trying a whole lot out, i was hoping to some some of the favorites |
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| [15:00:17] | kslater: | squish102 – what did you try? |
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| [15:05:32] | black_Nightmare_: | hey |
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| [16:26:14] | joomla_user: | how do i install chess game on mythtv? |
| [16:28:20] | joomla_user: | how do i install mediaportal on mythtv? |
| [16:28:29] | iamlindoro__: | This has got to b e a joke |
| [16:28:45] | joomla_user: | ? |
| [16:29:08] | joomla_user: | do i just extract it to plugins folder? |
| [16:29:25] | iamlindoro__: | joomla_user, Are you trying to be funny/a troll/etc? |
| [16:29:46] | joomla_user: | anyone? |
| [16:29:57] | iamlindoro__: | There is no chess game for MythTV, and Media portal is a completely different Media Center software that has nothing to do with MythTV.. |
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| [16:30:25] | ** iamlindoro__ suspects he is merely feeding the trolls right now ** | |
| [16:30:37] | joomla_user: | ok thanks. so can i run some emulator from mythtv to start vista and chess titans? |
| [16:30:43] | iamlindoro__: | no |
| [16:30:45] | iamlindoro__: | good lord |
| [16:30:56] | iamlindoro__: | And I thought I had heard all the stupid questions in the world by now |
| [16:31:00] | LonEagle: | heh |
| [16:31:32] | joomla_user: | why is no one making a chess game? can i buy a chess game for mythtv? |
| [16:31:39] | iamlindoro__: | NO |
| [16:31:58] | joomla_user: | A2-A4 |
| [16:32:08] | iamlindoro__: | !trout joomla_user for not even so much as googling MythTV |
| [16:32:08] | ** MythLogBot slaps joomla_user with a for not even so much as googling MythTV trout on behalf of iamlindoro__... ** | |
| [16:32:31] | joomla_user: | i use msn search |
| [16:32:38] | EvilGuru: | The universe is extremely adept at creating better idiots |
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| [16:33:03] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris | |
| [16:33:04] | ** iamlindoro__ forges a mighty banhammer in the depths of the earth ** | |
| [16:33:25] | joomla_user: | google is evil m$ owned search engine |
| [16:33:49] | iamlindoro__: | .... So you use MSN Search instead |
| [16:33:49] | EvilGuru: | Totally. |
| [16:34:19] | iamlindoro__: | xris, hey there, if you want to see some silly trollery, I highly recommend the logs of the last five minutes ;) |
| [16:35:05] | joomla_user: | check and mate. |
| [16:35:41] | Dagmar: | Your product is lame. |
| [16:35:49] | xris: | wow, beirdo removed the link to the logs from the topic |
| [16:36:17] | LonEagle: | so, since every one of my atsc channels has an -hd and -sd feed, would i be out of line to remove the -hd channels from my lineup if my myth box can't handle them anyway? |
| [16:36:22] | Dagmar: | joomla == poor quality content management |
| [16:36:37] | Dagmar: | LonEagle: Who are we to stop you? |
| [16:36:44] | joomla_user: | yeah i know i use drupal |
| [16:37:29] | jams: | iamlindoro_- someone need to be kicked? |
| [16:37:35] | LonEagle: | Dagmar: true. but does that seem like a good idea? |
| [16:37:56] | iamlindoro__: | jams, Heh, I almost want to see what he says next ;) |
| [16:37:57] | LonEagle: | i guess, i don't know what other people are doing now with digital tv |
| [16:38:09] | Dagmar: | LonEagle: no sense in confusing the scheduler |
| [16:38:20] | Dagmar: | Smaller database sizes, less data pulled. It's a win all-around. |
| [16:38:29] | ** jams goes back to work ** | |
| [16:39:45] | LonEagle: | hm. true. |
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| [16:44:13] | LonEagle: | are most people's atsc providers like that? |
| [16:44:48] | LonEagle: | i only have one channel that does not have a standard def stream |
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| [16:50:43] | xris: | LonEagle: I'm using firewire... but I'm pretty sure my local ATSC channels are all HD most of the time.. only a couple have 480 streams |
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| [17:03:38] | fysa: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oax-gDYHVxU |
| [17:06:56] | iamlindoro__: | No need to discuss the likelihood of that ever making it into MythTV proper |
| [17:07:01] | fysa: | obviously |
| [17:07:58] | iamlindoro__: | File it in the basement between MythTorrentz and MythKiddiePorn |
| [17:08:50] | fysa: | unless we magically get http://www.abc.com/primetime_nzb.rss ;) |
| [17:10:26] | TelnetManta: | iamlindoro__: still interesting. wouldnt mind seeing the source code for that thing. |
| [17:11:25] | iamlindoro__: | from looking at it, there's almost no chance he coded much/any of it himself-- just used some existing perl grabber and put it in as a Movie time grabber |
| [17:11:46] | fysa: | it requires a bit of work.. |
| [17:11:57] | fysa: | preprocessing the XML |
| [17:13:25] | TelnetManta: | no other info on it that I can find. yet |
| [17:13:44] | ** iamlindoro__ thinks people should just get jobs and buy the movies they want to watch. ** | |
| [17:14:23] | TelnetManta: | Im going tomorrow! going to see Leather Heads with the wifey |
| [17:15:12] | fysa: | not about getting 'free movies' so much as doing something interesting |
| [17:15:36] | iamlindoro__: | What a BS argument |
| [17:15:54] | EvilGuru: | Townsend tried to pull the same one when he was done for kiddie porn |
| [17:16:02] | iamlindoro__: | There are tens of thousands of "interesting" *legal* things to do |
| [17:16:10] | fysa: | nothing illegal about nzb. |
| [17:16:12] | fysa: | or usenet. |
| [17:16:13] | EvilGuru: | *Townshend |
| [17:16:51] | PatrickDK: | usenets origional purpose has been dead for decades |
| [17:16:59] | TelnetManta: | I just thought it was interesting as well.... |
| [17:17:23] | iamlindoro__: | fysa, and yet 99.99% of all traffic related to NZB is theft... A weak argument at best-- not to mention the video you posted shows illegal activity in it-- to argue that it's not meant to get free media is disingenuous at best, and moronic at worst. |
| [17:17:34] | fysa: | good, don't watch it. |
| [17:17:55] | iamlindoro__: | Then don't post it in channel |
| [17:17:59] | fysa: | ban me, |
| [17:18:07] | iamlindoro__: | If you don't want to hear discussion about it |
| [17:18:23] | fysa: | the entire point of me pasting it was to hear discussion about it. |
| [17:18:36] | ** PatrickDK notes fysa needs help ** | |
| [17:18:46] | PatrickDK: | and that iamlindoro already has enough to keep him warm |
| [17:19:36] | iamlindoro__: | YARRRRRRR, Avast! |
| [17:20:01] | TelnetManta: | you guys crack me up around here |
| [17:20:14] | ** PatrickDK wonders exactly how much iamlindoro gets payed at work to yell at people in here :) ** | |
| [17:20:21] | iamlindoro__: | Not enough! |
| [17:20:38] | ** iamlindoro__ sends the bill for his blood pressure medication to #mythtv-users, et al. ** | |
| [17:21:16] | ** fysa runs off to pie_rat The Dick Van Dyke Show ** | |
| [17:22:42] | ** iamlindoro__ bolts "MythRM -rf" onto the Movie Times grabber. "Look, I done mades mahself a plugin!" ** | |
| [17:23:02] | LonEagle: | xris: in the US? |
| [17:23:13] | LonEagle: | must be if it's ATSC. dumb question |
| [17:23:47] | iamlindoro__: | He *could* be in Canada... but he's not :) |
| [17:23:47] | LonEagle: | maybe my local market is just weird, with it's duplicated channels |
| [17:23:47] | ** hobbynutte laughs about the nice discussion, showing somehow the cultural differences betwwen us/uk and europe ** | |
| [17:23:53] | xris: | LonEagle: seattle |
| [17:24:21] | LonEagle: | xris: so none of your atsc ota channels are _____-HD and _____-DT? |
| [17:24:31] | iamlindoro__: | LonEagle, Yeah, seems counterintuitive... can't think of too many good reasons to have both feeds OTA |
| [17:24:52] | xris: | LonEagle: it's up to the local stations to broadcast what they want. I think seattle was pretty hard-core about HD.. we were one of the first regions to have digital broadcasts (actually I think our pbs station was the first in the country). |
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| [17:25:13] | LonEagle: | iamlindoro__: i can think of one good reason :D |
| [17:25:19] | LonEagle: | iamlindoro__: just for my personal benefit |
| [17:25:27] | iamlindoro__: | LonEagle, that's about it ;) |
| [17:25:57] | LonEagle: | okay. so let's say i only got HD programming |
| [17:26:10] | xris: | LonEagle: we have a couple.. but I'm pretty sure most are full HD.. (the callsigns all say DT, not HD) |
| [17:26:12] | LonEagle: | and i wanted just an SD output from my mythbox |
| [17:26:22] | xris: | works fine. that's what I do. |
| [17:26:31] | LonEagle: | what do you do? transcode after capture? |
| [17:26:40] | xris: | HD from firewire for recording and archiving, but my tv is just a normal old non-HD CRT |
| [17:26:44] | iamlindoro__: | LonEagle, Then the display device (in this case MythTV) will just output at SD, even if the file is HD-- no transcode necessary |
| [17:27:12] | xris: | mythtv just resizes things to fit the display... sizes SD content up to HD if you have an HD res, and HD content down to SD if you have an SD res |
| [17:27:17] | LonEagle: | oh i see |
| [17:27:19] | xris: | I think I run 800x600, which is somewhere in between |
| [17:28:04] | xris: | hmm, no big list of ATSC channels (since I know we get a LOT more than 1), but here's what shows up on comcast in clear QAM: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineupui . . . stcode=98118 |
| [17:28:04] | LonEagle: | if you wanted to archive at a different res, *then* you transcode |
| [17:28:13] | xris: | silicon dust provides a nice service. :) |
| [17:28:18] | iamlindoro__: | yarp |
| [17:28:20] | LonEagle: | yeah |
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| [17:28:28] | andre__: | hello |
| [17:28:33] | xris: | LonEagle: yeah. like I record good eats at 1080i, and then transcode to 720p/30fps |
| [17:28:40] | LonEagle: | they also provide a good tuner :P |
| [17:28:53] | xris: | yes. too bad I wouldn't really benefit from one. |
| [17:29:07] | xris: | they gave us one to give away at linuxfestnorthwest, though, so I got to play with one for a couple of days. |
| [17:29:10] | LonEagle: | xris: what's your cpu? |
| [17:29:18] | LonEagle: | why wouldn't you benefit from one? |
| [17:29:18] | andre__: | can anybody tell me wat exactly is meant by mouse gesture supporz in mythtv? |
| [17:29:24] | xris: | LonEagle: q6600 (way overkill, but I got it for half price and it wouldn't work in my main server) |
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| [17:29:47] | LonEagle: | oh yeah, that is overkill |
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| [17:29:48] | xris: | LonEagle: because most of what I record is encrypted... and can only be accessed via firewire. |
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| [17:30:08] | LonEagle: | xris: my current mythbox is a p3–850 though |
| [17:30:10] | xris: | for some reason comcast here decrypts the firewire output. |
| [17:30:23] | xris: | I have a p-d 820 for sale. :) |
| [17:30:24] | LonEagle: | doesn't really seem to like the HD channels |
| [17:30:36] | LonEagle: | don't know how i'd make a silent system out of a p-d |
| [17:30:36] | xris: | no, you need 2Ghz or faster for HD |
| [17:30:42] | iamlindoro__: | Yep, that would be woefully underpowered |
| [17:30:52] | LonEagle: | 2ghz? that seems like overkill |
| [17:30:56] | LonEagle: | 2ghz c2d? |
| [17:31:00] | ajh: | so, what's with 0.21 recording empty files sometimes? about 2–3 shows a day show up greyed out. |
| [17:31:13] | xris: | 1.8 c2d can do it... but it's pushing the limits. 2ghz is the "general rule" |
| [17:31:27] | ajh: | and they're on channels that 'should' work, is there more debug info I can turn on to see what went on at the time? |
| [17:31:33] | xris: | this one is btx, so it's not too bad.. but it does get a bit noisy when it gets warm and the air filter gets too dusty |
| [17:31:34] | fysa: | andre__, let's say you have a wireless air mouse or Wiimote hooked up to your frontend. You could map a circular motion to rewind/fast forward, or a twitch up/down to alter volume. |
| [17:31:37] | iamlindoro__: | Plus having the option to multithread h.264 decode is nice |
| [17:31:42] | xris: | ajh: firewire? |
| [17:31:44] | LonEagle: | seems like my a64 x2 3800+ can handle 1080i |
| [17:31:47] | ajh: | nope, sata |
| [17:31:56] | xris: | ajh: they make sata tuners? |
| [17:31:57] | iamlindoro__: | *facepalm* |
| [17:32:05] | ajh: | oh dvb-s |
| [17:32:10] | LonEagle: | although that's using vlc, not mythfrontend |
| [17:32:18] | ajh: | they do however make sata storage. :) |
| [17:32:21] | xris: | LonEagle: 3800+ is more than 2ghz. :) |
| [17:32:29] | LonEagle: | xris: it's a 1ghz clock |
| [17:32:43] | xris: | ajh: yes... but the only zero-byte-recording issues I know about are with firewire. |
| [17:32:54] | xris: | LonEagle: fsb or cpu speed? |
| [17:33:05] | ajh: | it sits like it's recording, says it is, but if you try to watch the in-progress it goes blank then jumps back to the menu |
| [17:33:05] | LonEagle: | cpu |
| [17:33:10] | LonEagle: | i think |
| [17:33:17] | xris: | wow, thought amd only bumped things up like 30–40% for those numbers. |
| [17:33:20] | ajh: | ok, next time I see one I'll look more closely at what the fe is putting out. |
| [17:33:29] | xris: | 1Ghz sounds more like fsb.. it should be 1066 on that proc |
| [17:33:42] | LonEagle: | yeah maybe you're right |
| [17:33:58] | LonEagle: | i just lookd at /proc/cpuinfo and it said 1ghz. i'm gullible i guess |
| [17:34:03] | iamlindoro__: | 3800 is 2 Ghz |
| [17:34:14] | LonEagle: | yeah i just googled that up |
| [17:34:17] | iamlindoro__: | LonEagle, the 1 Ghz is while idle-- start something CPU intensive and try again |
| [17:34:20] | xris: | iamlindoro: wow, that's still slower than I'd expect.. figured it'd be at least 28000 |
| [17:34:21] | xris: | 2800 |
| [17:34:24] | andre__: | fysa: it has nothing to with normal mouse usage in mythtv? because i want to use a touchscreen for using e.g. myzhmusic? |
| [17:34:30] | LonEagle: | i mean, i used ms live search because M$ owns google :P |
| [17:34:31] | iamlindoro__: | xris, yarp, it's 2 x 2.0 |
| [17:34:35] | LonEagle: | heh |
| [17:34:42] | xris: | iamlindoro: ahh.. speed stepping. that's kind of cool |
| [17:34:44] | LonEagle: | well maybe i should upgrade my desktop |
| [17:34:55] | LonEagle: | throw the innards in a myth box |
| [17:34:56] | fysa: | andre__, gestures are more complex movements. think dance steps that trigger things. |
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| [17:35:00] | iamlindoro__: | xris, You don't get that on your Q600? Mine idles at 1.6 IIRC |
| [17:35:10] | ajh: | with the watch filters that come with .21 I should be able to crop off the station added stuff along the bottom? RAZR is people know it seems to fill about 1/3rd of the screen with junk, but enough that if cropped, repositioned and zoomed it would be 16:9 |
| [17:35:28] | fysa: | andre__, touchscreen use won't really require it, unless you want to let someone perform actions by drawing shapes on the screen with their finger. |
| [17:36:03] | andre__: | fysa;is there any possibility for use of a touchscreen in mythtv? |
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| [17:36:17] | fysa: | should be something on the wiki |
| [17:36:23] | xris: | afk, meeting |
| [17:36:44] | fysa: | andre__, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Zalman_HD160XT &mda sh; has some touchscreen-related info |
| [17:41:19] | andre__: | hm.. i have to fpor qanother possibility |
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| [17:49:34] | justinh: | bah no switched 12v supply on my car audio loom :( Have to buy a Haynes manual & fit one at the weekend |
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| [17:52:25] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, was wondering where you were a bit ago when it went all "Yarrrrrrrrrr, me matey" in here |
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| [18:03:33] | keith4: | justinh: i find that hard to believe. what car? |
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| [18:10:14] | directhex: | keith4, it's french! :| |
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| [18:10:42] | keith4: | his car is french? |
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| [18:13:33] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Whisper_transcripts |
| [18:14:06] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky, Hey, actually read those a few weeks ago-- very interesting |
| [18:14:53] | mkrufky: | ijust found 'em |
| [18:15:02] | iamlindoro__: | Now the question is who the eff is Sarah :) |
| [18:15:07] | mkrufky: | but ive been wondering about this for quite a while |
| [18:15:12] | mkrufky: | sarah — jack's ex |
| [18:15:59] | iamlindoro__: | they're really going to throw me off when *living* people start showing up |
| [18:16:12] | mkrufky: | sarah's alive |
| [18:16:18] | iamlindoro__: | that's what I'm saying |
| [18:17:28] | mkrufky: | damn... this is totally jack-centric |
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| [18:47:34] | justinh: | obviously the 'VAN bus' in my car handles the stereo powering off so I'll have to run another wire in. won't be too hard. Though it's fine as it is now of course :P |
| [18:47:39] | PatrickDK: | heh, you people and lost |
| [18:47:43] | n3kl: | keith4: hey |
| [18:48:02] | keith4: | welcome |
| [18:48:13] | justinh: | and besides, Frenchy or not, getting 65mpg is nice :) |
| [18:48:36] | justinh: | okay 5p listing day, time to put the flea-pee-aye-ay on the bay |
| [18:48:40] | PatrickDK: | wife is happy I'm getting 80mpg |
| [18:49:00] | justinh: | 80? bluemotion diesel or summink? |
| [18:49:06] | TelnetManta: | 80mpg? |
| [18:49:11] | PatrickDK: | motorcycle |
| [18:49:11] | keith4: | n3kl: what did you want to know? more importantly, what do you already know about myth? |
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| [18:49:15] | justinh: | or is it a bike? |
| [18:49:16] | orko_: | hi. |
| [18:49:17] | justinh: | heh |
| [18:49:23] | TelnetManta: | even 65, wow |
| [18:49:39] | justinh: | driving like a vicar has its advantages :P |
| [18:49:47] | PatrickDK: | if I ride the motorcylce like a 18 year old, I get 55mpg on the bike |
| [18:50:01] | TelnetManta: | I dont get that in my frogeye.... |
| [18:50:11] | TelnetManta: | maybe low 40s |
| [18:50:26] | justinh: | tempted to sell my decks too – have to sneak that past my wifey though. she's dead against me selling my Technics. fecknows why :-\ |
| [18:50:37] | orko_: | i have a question concerning deleting recordings. if i delete a episode of a series it asks me if i want to delete it and rerecord it again. |
| [18:50:41] | n3kl: | keith4: I know that it can record video from cable, that you point it at a directory or group of directories and it groups by video and music and such and you have a nice interface to work with |
| [18:50:54] | orko_: | Does this mean if i just say delete this epsiode will never be rerecorded? |
| [18:51:07] | justinh: | orko_: in theory, yes |
| [18:51:18] | n3kl: | keith4: right? |
| [18:51:28] | keith4: | more or less |
| [18:51:34] | keith4: | although there are plugins to do all kinds of crap |
| [18:51:44] | orko_: | e.g. i recorded this episode 1 year ago and then delete 1 week after recording. It will never be rerecorded? |
| [18:51:53] | keith4: | not unless you tell it to record it again |
| [18:52:02] | n3kl: | keith4: is it cool? |
| [18:52:34] | orko_: | keith4: how to tell to rerecord again? |
| [18:53:14] | TelnetManta: | what are those Lost whispers all about? never heard about them |
| [18:53:21] | keith4: | n3kl: well, le me describe my setup, and you can judge |
| [18:53:42] | keith4: | i have a backend in the basement, with 2 analog tuners and a digital/HD tuner, > 1T of disk, and a gigabit network |
| [18:53:55] | keith4: | so I can live TV on any computer in the house, including the ones connected to other TVs |
| [18:54:02] | keith4: | laptops even do okay, over G wireless |
| [18:54:15] | keith4: | ... put "watch" in there somewhere |
| [18:54:25] | keith4: | also, it records all kinds of crap, including HD crap |
| [18:54:54] | keith4: | for example, it has a revolving buffer of the last 10 Daily Show, Colbert Report, etc |
| [18:55:11] | keith4: | so when I want to watch TV, i can always pick from the last 2 weeks or so of stuff that I actually want to watch |
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| [18:55:25] | keith4: | sort of like Tivo, but free, and better |
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| [18:56:32] | n3kl: | keith4: so you have a single mythtv server in the basement, then you connect your clients to it and stream? How is the streaming quality? What client are you using? |
| [18:56:39] | keith4: | there are plenty of people here who can answer questions about it, and also lots of online material |
| [18:56:42] | TelnetManta: | keith4: sounds like a nice setup. I need to go with a split fe/be setup one day |
| [18:56:59] | keith4: | n3kl: there's a mythtv client, also an OS X port of it |
| [18:57:07] | keith4: | and most stuff can be UPnP streamed |
| [18:57:14] | TelnetManta: | keith4: What do you use for your FE's? |
| [18:57:14] | keith4: | also, there's a web interface that can stream stuff |
| [18:57:18] | n3kl: | what does upnp streamed mean? |
| [18:57:28] | n3kl: | is that like a standard that other clients can use or something |
| [18:57:28] | keith4: | TelnetManta: any ol' computer, really |
| [18:57:37] | keith4: | that's precisely what it is |
| [18:58:02] | keith4: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Plug_and_Play |
| [18:58:03] | n3kl: | keith4: so that is you you are straming video from teh ps3 then, right? |
| [18:58:11] | keith4: | not from |
| [18:58:15] | keith4: | to |
| [18:58:28] | n3kl: | right right |
| [18:58:29] | n3kl: | neat |
| [18:58:34] | keith4: | the PS3 has a UPnP client, although it has some trouble with certain codecs |
| [18:58:57] | n3kl: | so what hardware do I need. I see on their website it will support a hauppage pvr-350, but that seems like a bit much forme to get started with |
| [19:00:00] | keith4: | well, if you just want to use analog, a PVR 150 will do |
| [19:00:12] | n3kl: | I have a decent machine with lots of disk space on it, so I think all I need is a tuner card |
| [19:00:16] | keith4: | I use pchdtv 5500 for HD |
| [19:00:24] | n3kl: | keith4: and thats well supported in linux? |
| [19:00:28] | keith4: | ebay has some cheap cards |
| [19:00:33] | keith4: | both are well-supported |
| [19:00:41] | keith4: | the wiki has hardware compatibility lists |
| [19:02:37] | n3kl: | keith4: awesome, I think I am going to order cable and a card soon. Thanks for the info |
| [19:04:06] | TelnetManta: | keith4: does the backend need more power or the frontend when doind HD? |
| [19:04:31] | n3kl: | Even if I don't have cable, it sounds like there is some cool things you can do |
| [19:05:18] | iamlindoro__: | The Frontend needs more power. Recording HD is easier than recording SD on a framegrabber. |
| [19:05:22] | TelnetManta: | n3kl: Its an addiction once you get started |
| [19:06:30] | n3kl: | Nice |
| [19:06:33] | n3kl: | is it stable |
| [19:06:34] | n3kl: | ? |
| [19:07:22] | n3kl: | backend=machine with card plugged in? Fronend=machine with interface? can backend and fronend be on the same machine. |
| [19:07:34] | iamlindoro__: | Yes, yes, and yes. |
| [19:07:40] | iamlindoro__: | and yes. |
| [19:08:25] | keith4: | yah... backend just needs power to do commercial flagging and transcoding |
| [19:09:09] | n3kl: | neat |
| [19:09:34] | TelnetManta: | right now I record via two tuners at once but would have more if I had more pci slots. |
| [19:09:55] | PatrickDK: | you could use the pvr-usb2 thing, it seems to work well |
| [19:10:01] | TelnetManta: | sounds like I can use a lower powered system as my backend instead of building a wholenew system |
| [19:11:47] | keith4: | PVR 500 has 2 tuners on 1 card |
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| [19:13:59] | TelnetManta: | backends REALLY busy recording BSG the past few days! |
| [19:14:16] | keith4: | BSG? |
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| [19:14:21] | iamlindoro__: | Galactica |
| [19:14:38] | TelnetManta: | Battlestar Galactica |
| [19:14:41] | TelnetManta: | :-) |
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| [19:20:08] | TelnetManta: | might build a new BE with this MB |
| [19:20:09] | TelnetManta: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128084 |
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| [19:27:03] | n3kl: | Neat! Thanks for all the info |
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| [19:37:00] | stuarta: | evening happy campers. |
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| [19:37:13] | kslater: | is it evening already |
| [19:37:17] | kslater: | I wish! ;-) |
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| [19:37:32] | justinh: | evening stuarta |
| [19:37:39] | stuarta: | howdy |
| [19:37:47] | kslater: | ah you other side of the pond guys, it's evening |
| [19:37:47] | ** stuarta <- been seriously busy ** | |
| [19:41:14] | ** justinh lists his flea-pee-aye-ay board on the bay :D ** | |
| [19:41:23] | justinh: | byebye! |
| [19:41:46] | justinh: | stinking under-powered piece of shit |
| [19:41:57] | justinh: | er.. I mean "superb basis for HTPC/car PC" |
| [19:42:04] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, I will blame you completely when your buyer is in here telling us that it ought to be "more than enough to run 1080p HD..." |
| [19:42:20] | justinh: | I may never stop laughibg |
| [19:42:50] | stuarta: | notice he never said HD HTPC |
| [19:43:18] | iamlindoro__: | Like *that* would stop our reading-challenged peeps |
| [19:43:41] | iamlindoro__: | 'He said it would make a great HDPC!' |
| [19:43:42] | PatrickDK: | iamlindoro, you really thing they are going be running real hd on it? and not bittorrent hd? |
| [19:44:11] | justinh: | yeah those leet 'PDTV-HDTV-LoL' videos |
| [19:44:21] | justinh: | which are actually 320x240 xvid AVI files |
| [19:44:32] | justinh: | (so I've been told) |
| [19:44:32] | iamlindoro__: | PatrickDK, Oh come on, HD only exists as a series of uncertain-bitrate-questionable-resolution-RAR-files! |
| [19:44:56] | justinh: | not arsed what price I get, so long as I get rid |
| [19:45:20] | ** PatrickDK ignores iamlindoro and goes off to watch hd dr. who, at 150megs per episode :) ** | |
| [19:45:26] | justinh: | gonna need cupboard space for the cardboard box a Mac Mini comes in by the summer's out |
| [19:45:26] | justinh: | :D |
| [19:45:36] | ** iamlindoro__ wishes DW was shot in HD :( ** | |
| [19:45:39] | stuarta: | guess what was in tonights paper? |
| [19:45:39] | justinh: | Dr Who will 'never be made in HD; |
| [19:45:50] | stuarta: | Oftcom appear to have come to their senses. |
| [19:45:51] | PatrickDK: | dr who is hd would just be strange |
| [19:45:51] | justinh: | they'd have to rebuild the terdis, apparently |
| [19:46:05] | justinh: | stuarta: pick me up off the floor please! |
| [19:46:19] | stuarta: | 4 Freeview HD channels coming soon (well sometime around 2012) |
| [19:46:33] | justinh: | in which respect? they've found the space bandwidth for HD by killing off shopping channels? |
| [19:46:55] | stuarta: | nah, i'm assuming it'll be the post analogue switch off space |
| [19:47:05] | justinh: | ugh. dvb-t2 :( |
| [19:47:15] | stuarta: | plus newer encodings |
| [19:47:19] | justinh: | h.264 :) |
| [19:47:23] | stuarta: | yup prob dvb-t2 |
| [19:47:32] | ** justinh looks around for a dvb-t2 tuner ** | |
| [19:47:34] | justinh: | ARGHHHHHH! |
| [19:47:45] | ** iamlindoro__ hands justinh chips and solder ** | |
| [19:47:49] | justinh: | none exist, yet any that don't yet work in linux :( |
| [19:47:53] | stuarta: | heh, stb's don't even exist yet |
| [19:48:44] | iamlindoro__: | Guess you could forge ahead and have some fun with S2 right now if you wanted to |
| [19:51:09] | A-: | have the linuxtv guys settled on a way to implement s2? Last time I checked they were still arguing over it. |
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| [19:51:55] | hadees: | i'm on the phone right now with an idiot time warner rep who is giving me grief about trying to get a firewire port |
| [19:52:13] | hadees: | i keep telling him there is an FCC regulation and he says he would first check with the ICC or something |
| [19:52:16] | A-: | lie and tell him you have an older hd tv that only has a firewire port |
| [19:52:30] | hadees: | A- i asked to talk to a manager |
| [19:52:41] | A-: | always a good first step ;) |
| [19:52:48] | hadees: | there usually is someone who knows what you are talking about you just have to find one |
| [19:52:59] | A-: | if they have a local office, printing out the regs and walking down there to show to a manager might help |
| [19:53:02] | hadees: | what is really dumb is i had digital cable installed today |
| [19:53:13] | hadees: | damn it |
| [19:53:17] | hadees: | i think i lost the connection |
| [19:53:26] | hadees: | maybe thats for the best now i can try someone else |
| [19:53:32] | hadees: | who won't think they are smarter then me |
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| [20:00:11] | iamlindoro__: | A-, The answer is "roughly." There are some experimental S2 drivers and even patches for myth, but I expect that it'll change a lot in the near future |
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| [20:03:24] | hadees: | does the FCC regulation for firewire specify output only? |
| [20:03:35] | hadees: | because the guy doesn't seem to think i can change the channels over firewire |
| [20:03:44] | hadees: | i'm trying to get the right box |
| [20:04:00] | iamlindoro__: | Channel change is the least of your problems. generally, though, if yuo can capture, you can change channels. |
| [20:04:21] | iamlindoro__: | If you have to focus on one, focus on capture. |
| [20:05:26] | iamlindoro__: | To answer the original question, yes, the FCC mandate only deals with the firewire port being "functional" (however you want to define that) but the way I read it is that it must output local channels-- no explicit discussion of channel changing. |
| [20:06:18] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire#FCC_regulations |
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| [20:10:55] | A-: | http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachm . . . 238850A1.pdf |
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| [20:11:23] | A-: | an official FCC document that spells out that cable providers must supply a firewire capable stb uppon demand |
| [20:11:36] | A-: | print that out (write down the url as well) and go into your local cable office |
| [20:11:41] | neztiti: | hi guys |
| [20:11:47] | justinh: | stuarta: anyway I spose that's a small victory for common sense. there'll be an outcry that consumers will need new gear, of course – even meaning that new HDTVs will need an external box. Oh dear :) |
| [20:12:20] | stuarta: | at least they went the right way in the end. |
| [20:12:35] | stuarta: | had visions of another 3G $$$$$ for the government scenario |
| [20:12:41] | justinh: | they could really have gone for h.264 when ondigital went belly up |
| [20:13:00] | stuarta: | don't know if that was available back then |
| [20:13:01] | justinh: | as it is, all those ondigital boxes are gonna be junk anyway come the analogue switchoff |
| [20:13:12] | stuarta: | junk now |
| [20:13:23] | justinh: | well, totally unusable junk then ;) |
| [20:13:35] | justinh: | as in – won't even pick anything up kinda junk |
| [20:13:36] | neztiti: | guys any one here use twinhan remote with mythtv??? |
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| [20:14:58] | justinh: | stuarta: as for a repeat of the 3G band sale scenario – I think all the moby companies had said behind closed doors they got badly burned there & wouldn't be making the same mistake again |
| [20:15:06] | A-: | neztiti: is it supported by lirc? |
| [20:15:15] | stuarta: | same greed that's screwed the banks atm |
| [20:15:33] | justinh: | capitalism++++ |
| [20:15:52] | stuarta: | haha! |
| [20:15:56] | justinh: | ahh what the heck I'll shove my pvr150 on ebay too |
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| [20:16:21] | stuarta: | making progress having my dev machine be either a 0.21 production slave backend, or a head dev box :) |
| [20:17:02] | justinh: | I wouldn't mind my FE being able to play time compressed recordings & recover from pausing |
| [20:17:06] | stuarta: | now got all the 0.21 stuff compartmentalized into it's own /usr/local tree |
| [20:17:26] | justinh: | need to investimigate it & prolly open a ticket for that |
| [20:18:36] | justinh: | plays at > 1x just fine but pause it, then unpause it... video framerate drops to like 5fps & the log fills up wif buffering woohaa. stop said recording & resume playback.. just fine again. weird stuff |
| [20:19:15] | justinh: | also seems to occur when you change speed during playback aswell |
| [20:19:19] | Deek: | this to you is weird? :) |
| [20:19:35] | justinh: | Deek: regression on 0.20 – so yeah. weird |
| [20:20:09] | justinh: | prolly something screwy with the buffering code. doubt I'm up to fixing that myself though |
| [20:21:13] | neztiti: | A-: yes |
| [20:21:57] | hadees: | ok so im going to get 2 Scientific Atlantic 3250HDs tomorrow. Anyone have any experience with them? are they stable? |
| [20:22:56] | hadees: | and they will be with my backend which isn't connected or anywhere near a frontend. Is it possible to access the features like on demand through mythtv? |
| [20:23:03] | iamlindoro__: | hadees, They're fairly common-- how stable they are has a lot to do with your firewire chipset, etc. |
| [20:23:21] | hadees: | i know you can't record to them but if the box isn't being used can i access it from mythtv some how |
| [20:23:32] | iamlindoro__: | And no, you will be unable to use on-demand with Myth-- The box puts out only the video, and not the overlay, thought firewir |
| [20:23:41] | iamlindoro__: | er through firewire |
| [20:24:02] | hadees: | ah, damn maybe i should make my main frontend a slave backend |
| [20:24:03] | Deek: | why would anyone want the overlay? |
| [20:24:16] | hadees: | Deek, i don't want the overlay i wanted access to the on demand channels |
| [20:24:17] | A-: | neztiti: should work just fine then |
| [20:24:24] | iamlindoro__: | Deek: Because the overlay is the menus, and if you want to kick off ondemand stuff, you sort of need to see it |
| [20:24:57] | iamlindoro__: | The on-demand channels end up looking like black screen w/ a little video window in the corner, where that video window would usually live as part of the menu system |
| [20:25:04] | neztiti: | A-:http://www.doctort.org/adam/nerd-notes/mythtv . . . -remote.html |
| [20:25:54] | Deek: | iamlindoro: that's what the regular output is for :) |
| [20:26:07] | iamlindoro__: | Deek, Yes, but you're not going to see that in Myth is my point |
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| [20:27:06] | iamlindoro__: | and my experience w/ Comcast recently has been that they are now (new in the last month or two) 5C'ing VOD stuff where I live, so you can kick it off by switching to a regular output and starting it, but it immediately chokes the firewire capture. YMMV |
| [20:28:07] | Deek: | wow, they must have had some upgrades. |
| [20:28:19] | iamlindoro__: | best put that word in quotation marks |
| [20:28:27] | Deek: | hardware |
| [20:28:54] | pbj: | Hey there – Could some one help me with this problem after upgrading to 0.21 changing channels on a external tuner |
| [20:28:56] | iamlindoro__: | Naw, 5C is just a flag set on the QAM Modulator |
| [20:29:04] | pbj: | link is here http://pastebin.ca/970034 |
| [20:32:25] | justinh: | that's the pvr-150 card listed now too. |
| [20:32:42] | justinh: | MOAR MONEHS! |
| [20:34:08] | hadees: | weird, i'm just playing with my new digital cable box and i am noticing some channels show up twice, it seems its the normal cable channels show up once where they normally are then next to their HD channels |
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| [20:40:18] | Deek: | you think that's weird, my local Charter affiliate has lots of QAM channels that don't show up to cable boxes; like digital versions of all the SD local broadcasts and several basic cable channels. |
| [20:42:26] | Deek: | TBS through the box is analog, but on QAM channel 80.11 there's a digital version. |
| [20:49:29] | Deek: | Sure, I don't actually record anything on TBS, but it would be nice to be able to capture the MPEG stream (I removed the analog channels from my schedulesdirect lineup because the box squirts out 32KHz AC-3 when it's doing the encoding, and myth goes crazy playing that through my receiver). |
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| [21:38:58] | jsumners: | does anyone know what would cause the errors in this paste? http://rafb.net/p/qpjcUb21.html |
| [21:39:20] | iamlindoro__: | poor signal resulting in broken MPEG streams |
| [21:39:28] | jsumners: | they are being generated when wathing livetv |
| [21:39:48] | iamlindoro__: | So? |
| [21:39:52] | iamlindoro__: | Still the same answer |
| [21:39:56] | jsumners: | iamlindoro: i get about 70% signal |
| [21:40:04] | iamlindoro__: | Signal percentages mean nothing in Myth |
| [21:40:07] | jsumners: | my television plays the same streams just fine |
| [21:40:12] | PatrickDK: | hmm, since I setup mythtv, I haven't watched any tv at all, only downloaded shows :( |
| [21:40:18] | PatrickDK: | mainly cause there is nothing in the usa worth watching |
| [21:40:41] | iamlindoro__: | jsumners, What is it you want me to tell you? Those errors mean broken MPEG-2 streams. This is almost always due to poor signal |
| [21:40:58] | jsumners: | iamlindoro, okay, but what can i do to fix it? |
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| [21:41:14] | iamlindoro__: | Get a better antenna, amplify your signal, complain to your cable company |
| [21:41:18] | iamlindoro__: | etc. |
| [21:41:39] | iamlindoro__: | If all you see is errors but it's watchable, then don't worry about them |
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| [21:42:29] | jsumners: | i have a CM4228 with a CM7777 pre-amp. it's pretty much all the antenna you can get. i don't understand why my television plays without error but the mythtv box is "broken" |
| [21:42:47] | iamlindoro__: | The box is *not* broken, your MPEG stream is |
| [21:43:01] | iamlindoro__: | And your television is probably better at concealing erros than libavcodec is |
| [21:43:17] | iamlindoro__: | Is the stream *playing* properly on the mythbox? |
| [21:43:30] | jsumners: | i'm using a pchdtv 5500 would a different tuner help? |
| [21:44:07] | ** iamlindoro__ goes to do something else. I can have my questions ignored and be paid for it in real life. ** | |
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| [21:49:28] | justinh: | good gawd I need MOARMHZ ! |
| [21:49:42] | justinh: | rendering a 2 hour mix is gonna take 20 minutes |
| [21:49:51] | justinh: | oops make that 27 mins |
| [21:49:56] | iamlindoro__: | Crank it up to 11 |
| [21:50:09] | justinh: | but an athlon 2800 only goes up to 2 :( |
| [21:50:46] | iamlindoro__: | Run it on your schweet Mythfrontend? |
| [21:51:01] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: Sony Vegas doesn't run on Linux |
| [21:51:08] | iamlindoro__: | ahhh, details ;) |
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| [21:51:21] | justinh: | most fun software I ever bought, that |
| [21:51:38] | ** iamlindoro__ briefly considers some blah blah about virtualization and thinks better of it ** | |
| [21:51:50] | justinh: | eew what's this I got with my new car stereo.. PhatNoise Media Manager eh |
| [21:52:23] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: virtual XP machine over NFS? hate to think how much that'd stink of poo |
| [21:52:59] | iamlindoro__: | heh |
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| [21:54:27] | justinh: | there isn't much that eats this box for breakfast (that I do) but Vegas does it really well |
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| [21:54:44] | justinh: | most stable editor I've ever used after SAW though |
| [21:55:13] | iamlindoro__: | I haven't used vegas, but would be hard pressed to think of any Sony software, EVER than had done me more good than harm |
| [21:55:36] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: if it was entirely sony's own work I'd be inclined to agree |
| [21:55:47] | justinh: | started life at Sonic Foundry |
| [21:55:53] | iamlindoro__: | Ohh, I 8did* like them |
| [21:56:01] | iamlindoro__: | Is it sound forge? or ex-sound-forge? |
| [21:56:17] | justinh: | started out as sound forge for video, with multitrack audio |
| [21:56:31] | iamlindoro__: | ahhh, well I can get behind that then, I loved Sound Forge |
| [21:56:40] | justinh: | it's technically a video editor but I use it for all my audio needs too |
| [21:56:54] | justinh: | pisses all over Adobe crap |
| [21:57:19] | justinh: | has loads built in that Premiere only offers as expensive plugins |
| [21:57:33] | justinh: | you can import flash to the timeline for titling ffs |
| [21:59:09] | justinh: | did all the mythtv promo videos in Vegas. easy work |
| [21:59:28] | justinh: | still need to work on another one actually but I'm kinda lacking HDD space |
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| [22:04:24] | justinh: | wow. there are open source DJ scratching programs now too |
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| [22:09:34] | justinh: | dammit I don't have a single USB stick anymore :( |
| [22:09:49] | justinh: | (a 32MB one doesn't really count!) |
| [22:16:05] | justinh: | wow. now here's an idea to get people who think they can't code to get their feet wet: http://www.mixxx.org/wiki/doku.php |
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| [23:03:09] | purserj: | okay I've built trunk, however I'm trying to set it up as a master backend/frontend on my laptop for development purposes and it keeps trying to connect to the master backend on my main myth box |
| [23:04:06] | purserj: | never mind |
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| [23:45:39] | tenchi21: | hi quys |
| [23:45:43] | tenchi21 is now known as lwizardl | |
| [23:45:47] | lwizardl: | thats better |
| [23:46:54] | lwizardl: | hey guys would a 256mb or 512mb 64bit nvidia card matter on which is better for a front end? |
| [23:49:37] | odz: | wont matter |
| [23:50:12] | lwizardl: | even for HD playback? |
| [23:51:51] | odz: | yes |
| [23:52:41] | lwizardl: | becuase i'm looking at these two http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814141034 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130310 |
| [23:54:18] | XLV: | lwizardl, hd playback is again not supported ( as in gpu accelerated ) in linux yet, all work is done by cpu so again it doesnt matter |
| [23:54:37] | XLV: | even a 64MB 6200 is enough, or 5200, or even 4200 ;-) |
| [23:54:56] | lwizardl: | ok |
| [23:55:16] | lwizardl: | becuase my video card i was going to use just finally died |
| [23:55:18] | lwizardl: | mx440 |
| [23:55:48] | directhex: | lwizardl, don't buy a card with a fan on it for a frontend |
| [23:55:48] | XLV: | if you are interested about hd playback, you'd better get fast cpu, something like c2d e6400 to e6600 league |
| [23:55:57] | odz: | if your looking for extra performance upgrade the processor |
| [23:56:07] | directhex: | XLV speaks with wisdom |
| [23:56:20] | lwizardl: | my processor is a AMD 6000+ |
| [23:56:33] | odz: | than you'l be just fine |
| [23:56:53] | directhex: | hopefully. amd chips are much slower than intel for media, remember |
| [23:56:55] | lwizardl: | and the mobo supports 8gb of ram |
| [23:57:13] | lwizardl: | yeah but I've always prefered amd chips |
| [23:57:27] | directhex: | hm, 3ghz? ought to cope |
| [23:57:36] | XLV: | amd 6000+ is like athlon64 at 3Ghz iirc, should be enough |
| [23:57:49] | directhex: | best test is http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/force.php?file=./bbc.hd.ts |
| [23:57:50] | XLV: | dual core too |
| [23:58:08] | lwizardl: | yeah its 2.8ghz but can be ran at 3.3ghz stable |
| [23:58:29] | XLV: | or the crosscountry.mp4 link in rapidshare i have posted, but its not up anymore, maybe i will reupload it |
| [23:59:10] | directhex: | XLV, nothing's more demanding than bbc hd |
| [23:59:20] | directhex: | XLV, definitely not warez stuff |
| [23:59:33] | XLV: | crowdcross.mp4 |
| [23:59:38] | XLV: | no its not warez |
| [23:59:50] | XLV: | just a scene of some sobs jogging |
| [23:59:54] | PatrickDK: | directhex, my 2.4ghz can play back that bbc one |
| [23:59:59] | PatrickDK: | but it can't play back the slower ones |
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