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Wednesday, April 2nd, 2008, 00:04 UTC

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MaverickTech:

morning all

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MaverickTech:

anyone running svn trunk at the moment ?

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MaverickTech:

did a build this morning, and getting segfault on frontend

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hadees:

MaverickTech, nope and you probably shouldn't

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hadees:

until the qt4 migration goes further

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MaverickTech:

understand that

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MaverickTech:

was interested in testing the qt4 ;)

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hadees:

ah, well have fun but i'm not sure you are going to get much support, i normally run trunk myself but i think most have backed off for a little while

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Yahooadam:

its probably best to use it when its a bit further on ;)

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jsumners:

i'm setting my first mythtv box. i have a pcHDTV 5500 tuner card and i get my reception through OTA digital stations. i'm getting choppy video and audio on the myth box but it is just find if i watch the direct feed. any ideas what i can do to fix this?

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Yahooadam:

unless your a tester of some sort

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territory:

any easy way to find out why my cron jobs not running

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MaverickTech:

ok

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hadees:

territory, run it from the command line to make sure the command works

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MaverickTech:

anyone know the svn syntax to grab truck as at... x date

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territory:

it does

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territory:

the command works

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hadees:

territory, what exactly are you trying to run?

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territory:

run my script to get listings

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Yahooadam:

MaverickTech – whats wrong with 0.21?

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MaverickTech:

Yahooadam: probably nothing ;)

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GreyFoxx:

MaverickTech: you can use -r to specify a revision

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GreyFoxx:

svn up -r 16xxx

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hadees:

territory, mythfilldatabase doesn't work for you?

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MaverickTech:

GreyFoxx: thanks

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GreyFoxx:

just check the svn logs and find out the rev before the QT4 merge

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territory:

no

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territory:

i dont use any of myths grabbers

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hadees:

territory, live outside the areas?

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GreyFoxx:

I;m moving my production machines to latest trunk this weekend. I've held off a couple weeks but it's time to update :)

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Yahooadam:

territory – in your crontab add something like > /var/log/somelog

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territory:

0 1 * * 0 /home/charlie/zap2xml/mythupdate2.sh

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hadees:

territory, either way if it works from the command line i would ask in the channel for what ever distro you are using

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territory:

is in my crontab

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territory:

mythbuntu im using

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hadees:

territory, so there is a channel for that =)

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territory:

i added > /var/log/somelog after mythupdate2.sh

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Yahooadam:

territory – add "> /home/charlie/zap2xml/mythupdate2.log 2>&1"

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Yahooadam:

(without quotes)

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territory:

ok

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hadees:

territory, #ubuntu-mythtv

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Yahooadam:

then wait until it runs again

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Yahooadam:

and check the log

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hadees:

territory, cron problems are likely distro specific

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hadees:

and not mythtv

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territory:

i c

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natoka:

cu

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bobgill:

damn I can't find the myth log files

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PaulWay:

There's a superfluous . in front of that path above – it should start with /var – did you get that?

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bobgill:

ah ok thanks

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bobgill:

brb

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PaulWay:

I.e. the mythbackend log is /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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DustyBin:

i was right

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DustyBin:

"Late generation (colour screen) iPods link directly to the iDA-X100 via a direct high-speed USB connection. Unlike previous solutions, which relied on an analogue interface cable or adapter box, the iDA-X100â€™s pure digital USB connection provides fast data transfer, quick command response and superior iPod sound."

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odz:

Is there any tweaks i can do to improve channel changing time? it currently takes 4–5 seconds to switch the channel :(

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DustyBin:

no

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PaulWay:

Presumably you're using DVB, odz?

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iamlindoro:

Considering he's in the US it's profoundly unlikely :)

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bobgill2:

Okay here is my mythbackend.log: http://pastebin.com/m67255056

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simcop2387-tv:

iamlindoro, he could have an ultra high gain ultra directional antenna and bounce it off the ionosphere

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iamlindoro:

ooooh, neat, get me one ;)

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DustyBin:

bobgill2: keep you backend log in the toilet and dont forget to flush it

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bobgill2:

Again, everything seems to work, listings are functional.. but Watch TV gives a blank screen for about 10 seconds then returns to the menu :/

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** iamlindoro settles for a Spaten instead. **

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PaulWay:

bobgill2: my guess is that it was unable to grab the sound device.

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iamlindoro:

That's not it. The backend doesn't use the sound device when it inits a PVR-150, anywa

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iamlindoro:

The card is improperly set up or he failed to set up a lineup and bind it to the input, that's all

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iamlindoro:

more likely the latter, that he either didn't set up listings or didn't bind them to the input.

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bobgill:

I have the listings working proeprly

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iamlindoro:

bobgill: What makes you say that?

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bobgill:

I did mythfilldatabase and run frontend.. I can see listings in the Guide

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iamlindoro:

bobgill: That doesn't mean you have them set up properly

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iamlindoro:

You backend log tells you exactly what is wrong, in plain english.

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iamlindoro:

starting with "TVRec(3) Error: Problem finding starting channel, setting to default of '3'."

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bobgill:

how do I bind video source to card input? I don't know what to do with that (sorry i'm very new to this)

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bobgill:

ok yes

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iamlindoro:

by reading the documentation, ideally :)

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bobgill:

I see that

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bobgill:

I have the myth guides open.. I been reading them for a few hours now while I' mtrying to set up

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bobgill:

I'm just wondering what I have missed

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iamlindoro:

If you do mythtv-setup, all the steps, in order, you can't go wrong

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like you skipped step 5 in mythtv-setup, AFAICT

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iamlindoro:

er step 4, excuse me

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bobgill:

I just did step 4 again

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iamlindoro:

which is where you bind a lineup to an input

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bobgill:

I have v4l tuner 1 > tv

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bobgill:

did a scan, all channels showing

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iamlindoro:

bobgill: a PVR-150 isn't a v4l card type

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iamlindoro:

You set it up as the wrong card type

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bobgill:

ok

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bobgill:

sec

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iamlindoro:

PVR-150s are MPEG-2 encoder type

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bobgill:

ok i set up the card right

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bobgill:

mythfilldatabase needs backend running or not ?

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iamlindoro:

so you think...

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iamlindoro:

mythfilldatabase will run fine either way

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bobgill:

well, we'll see hehe hopefully :)

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bobgill:

ok one min

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iamlindoro:

You don't need to run it every time you run mythtv-setup, you know

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bobgill:

haha

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bobgill:

it works

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bobgill:

yeehaw

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bobgill:

!

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bobgill:

iamlindoro: ok

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bobgill:

how do I run the frontend on my networked comp?

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iamlindoro:

install it there, set up mysql.txt properly, and run it

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bobgill:

ok gonna give it a shot

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iamlindoro:

that's presuming you set mysql properly to allow connections from the rest of the network

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iamlindoro:

but that's all in the documentation

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bobgill:

yes I am going to set up mysql on this box now

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iamlindoro:

frontend boxes only need the sql client, you need the sql server configured properly

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iamlindoro:

stop flying blind, you need to *really read* the documentation at mythtv.org, not a blog or howto for your distro

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iamlindoro:

you are missing some fundamental understanding of how things work in myth, and that information comes from reading the real honest-to-goodness manual

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bobgill:

ok I am going to use mythtv.org

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bobgill:

sorry I don't mean to not read it.. I am just too new, many things even reading don't make sense at first, new concepts you know :) I'm trying :)

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iamlindoro:

I appreciate that-- you're never too new to read the manual ;)

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iamlindoro:

You will need to do the section here that talks about setting up mysql for multiple systems: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2

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iamlindoro:

After that, you can install the frontend on another machine, and as long as your mysql.txt is correct, it should work fine.

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bobgill:

ok I am going to get to that. To doublecheck, in the General setup of mythtv-setup, in IP and Master IP, it says to use "real ip" if frontend is different machine (like my setup will be).. so would that be 192.168.1.xx ??

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iamlindoro:

correct

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bobgill:

ok

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bobgill2:

"[bobby2@mythbox ~]$ mysql -u root mythconverg" gives "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)"

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bobgill2:

i already ran a setup script and set my pass and all for mysql database

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PaulWay:

Have you set up a password for root?

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bobgill2:

yes

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iamlindoro_:

add -p to the command line, that's all

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PaulWay:

So mysql -u root -p mythconverg

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bobgill2:

ah ok

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PaulWay:

Or, better still, mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg

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PaulWay:

To do things as the mythtv user.

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bobgill2:

and is it ok to do this while mysqld is running?

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bobgill2:

or do I stop it first

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iamlindoro_:

since he intends to grant privileges to the mythtv user, that will not work

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iamlindoro_:

he needs to log in as the mysql root user

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iamlindoro_:

you can do it while it is running

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bobgill:

damn I followed it but frontend here still says can't connect to database... and output is: http://pastebin.com/m14560106

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iamlindoro:

bobgill: can only be one of two things-- that you failed to edit my.cnf and change the bind-address to a real ip (or failed to restart mysql after) or your mysql.txt is wrong.

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bobgill2:

ok I have "bind-address = 192.168.1.100" in /etc/my.cnf

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iamlindoro:

I presume you mean /etc/mysql/my.conf

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bobgill2:

and here is my ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt: http://pastebin.com/m68a6c732

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bobgill2:

iamlindoro, no I don't have a /etc/mysql

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bobgill2:

my.cnf was already in /etc

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iamlindoro:

bobgill2: why would the frontend connect to the mysql server on "localhost?"

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iamlindoro:

I presume you are showing me the mysql.txt from your remote frontend

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bobgill2:

yes

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bobgill2:

oops

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bobgill2:

that's to be the IP?

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bobgill2:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

duh

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bobgill2:

:D

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bobgill2:

sec

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bobgill:

damn still no go

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bobgill:

changed it to 192.168.1.100

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iamlindoro:

mysql -u mythtv -p -h 192.168.1.100 mythconverg

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iamlindoro:

from the frontend

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iamlindoro:

if you can successfully log in to the SQL server, then the SQL server is set up properly... if you cannot, then you didn't follow the instructions in the documentation properly

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iamlindoro:

anyway, I've got stuff to do so you're on your own from here

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bobgill:

ok thanks for your help

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bobgill:

appreciate it

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iamlindoro:

np

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bobgill:

will try my best ;)

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bobgill:

hmm I get "mysql unknown variable: bind-address=192.168.1.100" that's from my my.cnf

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bobgill:

haha!!

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bobgill:

it was in my /etc/hosts.allow

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bobgill:

I had to add "mysqld: ALL"

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bobgill:

awesome it works :D

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clever:

ASSERT failure in QList<T>::operator[]: "index out of range", file /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h, line 394

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clever:

more explosions!

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clever:

i'll just run it inside of gdb from now on:P

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ajh:

is there a debug mode that myth will display what remote commands it gets? The profile for my Hauppauge doesn't seem accurate.

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Andui1:

ajh: No, if you have a debug build you can set a breakpoint though

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ajh:

ok, having front end debug levels might be an idea :), keep running into situations where more information on-screen would be nice

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Andui1:

ajh: someone keeps meaning to put something in there, if you need to you can do it in libmyth/lirc.cpp or libmythui/mythmainwindow.cpp

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banyan:

Hey... my myth setup is all screwed up since switching to 0.21. It's trying to do remote file transfers when the whole thing's on one machine, most of the time recordings fail after a few seconds, or are just plain empty... I get all kinds of ivtv errors reported in the backend log...

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ajh:

thanks, any idea on the IR port on the Nova-S, the arrow keys work and select but none of the others.

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banyan:

Do I need to kill some configuration table and re-run mythtvsetup from scratch?

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Andui1:

ajh: irw?

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banyan:

(Oh, and mythtvsetup has taken up a habit of killing my X server)

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ajh:

banyan, I'm seeing all kinds of 0 length files too.

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ajh:

anduil, yeah I assume I need to take the frontend down for that.

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banyan:

which really cheeses me off because that zero-length file represents time I'm supposed to be wasting by watching TV, not by trying to troubleshoot myth.

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Andui1:

banyan: pastebin the ivtv errors

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banyan:

ok, stand by...

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Andui1:

ajh: Nope

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ajh:

banyan, the most annoying thing is the recording screen not saying size.

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ajh:

er, length

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banyan:

ajb, did you fresh-install myth 0.21 or did you install it on a system formerly running 0.20?

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ajh:

It had .20 but the upgrade failed and I had to re-create the database from scratch.

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banyan:

crappy... so you had to remember your scheduled stuff, and you'll be in for a world of reruns.

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ajh:

still a newish install so that's not that huge a deal, right now I'm trying to figure out how to assign recording group defaults to channels.

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ajh:

it's annoying to record things on Comedy and have to manually set it to Comedy :)

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Andui1:

ajh: There is no information stored with the channel, default groups are part of the recording rule.

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ajh:

anduil, yeah it needs to be there too, but channels should be able to default to them.

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ajh:

irw is not playing nicely :(

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ajh:

ok, I want to hurt whoever did the lirc init script for ubuntu

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Yahooadam:

lol ajh

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ajh:

there's no debug info sent anywhere, and they disabled the --logfile option apparently.

[02:50:14]

ajh:

so it's supposed to be going to syslog, but no indication of which loglevel or how to find it and it's not going to messages by default

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ajh:

which kinda makes it hard to tell what's going on.

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darkwizzard:

is svn trunk version 22

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darkwizzard:

?

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iamlindoro:

it is what will become .22, yes

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ajh:

ok, got debug, looks like the kernel module is missing, anyone know which one is needed for the on-card ir receiver on the hauppauge nova-s?

[02:58:38]

banyan:

http://www.pastebin.ca/966948 — has my backend woes. There is only one type of error that explicitly says ivtv.

[02:59:33]

banyan:

so, anduil: there for your perusal. I'm actually wondering if I should kill or empty certain tables in my mythconverg and re-setup the lot.

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darkwizzard:

it will not let me compile it

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darkwizzard:

it gives error 2

[03:00:00]

banyan:

or is it Andui1 ? anyway, there it is.

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Andui1 is now known as Anduin

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iamlindoro:

darkwizzard: trunk now requires all the qt4 stuff. If you can't work through a missing dependency, you are probably going to have trouble with the current state of trunk.

[03:00:56]

Anduin:

banyan: You should look at dmesg for the same time

[03:01:21]

banyan:

good idea...

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darkwizzard:

iamlindoro i have qt4

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clever:

ive got it 'working' but it randomly crashes at certain areas

[03:02:32]

iamlindoro:

darkwizzard: again, if you can't get through the compile then you probably ought not run it right now-- ask clever if you want a first-hand account

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clever:

ive lost the ability to transcode also so im now runing out of disk space twice as fast:P

[03:07:00]

ajh:

lircd-0.8.2[17859]: accepted new client on /dev/lircd

[03:07:00]

ajh:

lircd-0.8.2[17859]: could not get file information for /dev/lirc

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ajh:

lircd-0.8.2[17859]: default_init(): No such file or directory

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ajh:

lircd-0.8.2[17859]: caught signal

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ajh:

Any ideas? both the usb and usb2 modules load cleanly, but neither seems to work. The reference to /dev/lirc seems wrong though.

[03:07:45]

clever:

xv has also gone a bit nuts

[03:07:51]

clever:

randomly drops out when loosing focus

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banyan:

Anduin, the /var/log/messages at the same time is: http://www.pastebin.ca/966973

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clever:

but only a problem when running in a window and trying to multitask

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Eemak:

hi friends

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banyan:

I should mention that my machine actually froze up a couple of times yesterday too, so this might entirely be an ivtv problem... I'd have very large load average followed by a seize-up.

[03:09:08]

Eemak:

my friend has a script that pulls listings from tvguide.com

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Eemak:

is that legal?

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Anduin:

banyan: I'd at a minimum unload the ivtv module and reload, then check again.

[03:09:39]

banyan:

if their terms of use don't prohibit it, and if he doesn't redistruibute the stuff.

[03:09:52]

Eemak:

well, it sticks it in myth

[03:10:14]

banyan:

I did that... with limited to zero success...

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Eemak:

banyan: you did what?

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Anduin:

banyan: It seems likely you would get the same errors with a cat /dev/video1, I'd try that, then try voodoo or seeing if your ivtv version changed.

[03:11:07]

Eemak:

banyan: http://www.tvguide.com/services/Copyright.aspx is that all i need to check with

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Anduin:

Eemak: At the very least it is impolite, especially when cheap, better, alternatives exist.

[03:11:44]

Eemak:

not cheaper than free;)

[03:11:57]

banyan:

I unloaded my ivtv. Not comment on the tvguide thing.

[03:11:57]

Anduin:

$20/year is very close to free

[03:12:29]

banyan:

voodoo is ....? a live viewer?

[03:12:47]

clever:

ive only payed it once

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clever:

and that was ages ago:P

[03:12:59]

banyan:

again, good idea the cat /dev/video1

[03:13:00]

clever:

and ive still got a month or 2 remaining

[03:13:51]

ajh:

ok, I woudln't have thought figuring out which module the IR receiver on a Nova-S needs would be such a pain

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Anduin:

ajh: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_LIRC_for_MythTV

[03:16:35]

ajh:

that doesn't mention which kernel module.

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Anduin:

Yeah, it looks old, only looked promising the first quick pass

[03:17:15]

ajh:

I've found that stuff in plenty of places already :)

[03:19:02]

Yahooadam:

ajh – what card?

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banyan:

I got a zero length file out of cat /dev/video1

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ajh:

[ 36.830730] input: cx88 IR (Hauppauge Nova-S-Plus as /class/input/input8 ah ha! hope this works.

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banyan:

Trying /dev/video0

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Yahooadam:

ajh

[03:19:31]

Yahooadam:

you need to use dev/input in lirc

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Yahooadam:

sudo vim /etc/lirc/hardware.conf

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Yahooadam:

driver="dev/input"

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Yahooadam:

device="/dev/input/event8"

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Yahooadam:

modules=""

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Yahooadam:

then restart lirc

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ajh:

Thanks!

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banyan:

/dev/video0 got stuff, without a peep in messages.

[03:22:55]

ajh:

hrm, it still dies when I try to connect to it

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banyan:

oh, wait a minute, if I have three cards, the video outputs are video0, video4 and video8 are they not?

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ajh:

lircd-0.8.2[18016]: unable to open '/dev/input/event8'

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Yahooadam:

do you have a /dev/input/event8 ?

[03:24:41]

ajh:

actually, no, only up to 7 :)

[03:24:54]

Yahooadam:

it might be -1

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Yahooadam:

theres a way to get a list, but i forget the command

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ajh:

or should I mknod an 8?

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Yahooadam:

you cant make it

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Anduin:

banyan: probably not, usually sequential 0,1,2

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banyan:

you shouldn't have to create device files, they should be created automatically.

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Anduin:

banyan: myth was using /dev/video1

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Yahooadam:

i suspect its event7

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Yahooadam:

but there is a way to get a list with details

[03:27:10]

ajh:

tried that, it connected but no output

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banyan:

so... video0 and video2 got capture info, but not video1, which I think it seems to prefer using.

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Yahooadam:

maybe a bad lircd.conf then

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banyan:

I do believe that 1 and 2 are two tuners on a 500.

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Yahooadam:

ajh – cat /proc/bus/input/devices

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banyan:

yes, video0 (ivtv0) is my pvr350. video1 is my 1st tuner on a 500, which isn't working. video2 is my second tuner on a 500, which is working.

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banyan:

that's weird.

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ajh:

yrp, 8 it is

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Yahooadam:

ajh – there will be a "Name" for your device

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ajh:

N: Name="cx88 IR (Hauppauge Nova-S-Plus "

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Yahooadam:

and under that it will say handlers i think

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ajh:

ah, ok

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ajh:

event5 :)

[03:31:38]

ajh:

yeah, this might make it to the wiki I hope.

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Yahooadam:

yeah lol

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Yahooadam:

i should have added it to the nova-t 500 docu

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Yahooadam:

but i was lazy and pissed

[03:32:09]

Yahooadam:

also, you should make a udev rule

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ajh:

Well I feel better that it wasn't me being dense.

[03:32:19]

banyan:

Anduin, so I can recreate the problem without involving myth. Must be my ivtv! or my 500 card.

[03:32:37]

Yahooadam:

because the the event# isnt fixed between reboots

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clever:

Yahooadam: enless you use special udev rules

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ajh:

Despite getting along with greg, not a big fan of udev :)

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clever:

ive created static video nodes for my webcams before

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banyan:

So what's this voodoo thing?

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Yahooadam:

clever – read up? ;)

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clever:

how far up?

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Yahooadam:

a couple of lines

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Yahooadam:

"Yahooadam: also, you should make a udev rule"

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clever:

ahh i see

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banyan:

Anduin, this is all following a reasonably recent use of kernel 2.6.24.3–50.

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ajh:

any hint on what shold be in the rule? :)

[03:34:21]

Yahooadam:

umm, god damn, i should have documented that :p

[03:34:25]

Yahooadam:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=252147

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banyan:

My ivtv module reports 1.1.0 version.

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Yahooadam:

there is a link on there that is supposed to help, i couldnt be bothered to turn on JS to read the page

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ajh:

it doesn't work anyway

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Yahooadam:

ah

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Yahooadam:

the other link does, but may be overkill for what you want :p

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ajh:

lircd-0.8.2[18258]: accepted new client on /dev/lircd

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ajh:

lircd-0.8.2[18258]: initializing '/dev/input/event5'

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Yahooadam:

you want something like

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ajh:

but irw still doesn't show anything

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Yahooadam:

NAME="cx88 IR (Hauppauge Nova-S-Plus" SYMLINK+="irblaster"

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Yahooadam:

KERNEL=="input*", ATTRS{name}=="cx88 IR (Hauppauge Nova-S-Plus", SYMLINK+="input/dvb-ir"

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Yahooadam:

that is what you need i think

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Yahooadam:

where the name == the one given by cat /whatever

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Anduin:

banyan: easy enough to try an older kernel but one tuner in a 500 going bad isn't unheard of

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ajh:

yahoo, will that be needed before it'll work at all?

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banyan:

For now I think it sounds too coincidental.

[03:42:17]

banyan:

Could be, but...

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ajh:

will it require a reboot?

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Yahooadam:

ajh, it would require a reboot, but it will work fine now

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ajh:

ok, when I connect I'm still not seeing any events :(

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Yahooadam:

atm, i think its probably not working because your lircd.conf is wrong

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banyan:

It's too bad, too, the playback out the pvr350 is fixed now in mythfrontend and everything, so I was quite happy about that, but there are all these other things!

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Yahooadam:

can you pastbin cat /etc/lirc/lircd.conf

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banyan:

Is there a way I can tell myth to privilege video0 and video2 before using video1?

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ajh:

http://www.pastebin.ca/967012

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Yahooadam:

you could try

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Yahooadam:

recording your own lircd.conf

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Yahooadam:

(stop lirc then run, irrecord -d /dev/input/event5 lircd.conf)

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ajh:

irrecord: could not get hardware features

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ajh:

irrecord: this device driver does not support the new LIRC interface

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ajh:

irrecord: major number of /dev/input/event5 is 13

[03:47:53]

ajh:

irrecord: LIRC major number is 61

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ajh:

irrecord: check if /dev/input/event5 is a LIRC device

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ajh:

irrecord: could not init hardware (lircd running ? --> close it, check permissions)

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ajh:

and no, it's not running :)

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ajh:

I'm starting to feel nostalgic for hand calculating X modelines.

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

maybe you cant irrecord with dev/input

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Yahooadam:

do you know how to link to another section of the current article?

[03:51:04]

Yahooadam:

in wiki's

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Yahooadam:

irrecord -H dev/input -d /dev/input/event5 ~/lircd.conf

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ajh:

I assume myth now not even seeing the arrow keys is a good thing?

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Yahooadam:

ajh

[03:53:17]

Yahooadam:

yeah

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Yahooadam:

lirc is now in control of the remote

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Yahooadam:

http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=NovaSPlusHowTo

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Yahooadam:

there is a lircd.conf there too

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ajh:

it sees it now, thanks

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Yahooadam:

under the title "The remote"

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Yahooadam:

anyway, back to the wiki question :p

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ajh:

ugh, wrong keys :)

[03:57:23]

Yahooadam:

does the nova-s do key repeats?

[03:57:30]

Yahooadam:

cos the nova-t 500 doesnt, and it sux :p

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ajh:

no clue, I'm not planning on using this one long though :)

[03:57:58]

ajh:

will need to get a usb one when I split the fe/be

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ajh:

are the contents of the lircrc in .mythtv relevant?

[03:59:04]

Yahooadam:

lircrc tells mythtv what to do with the keycodes pressed on the remote

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Yahooadam:

begin

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Yahooadam:

prog = mythtv

[03:59:50]

Yahooadam:

button = ChanUp

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Yahooadam:

config = Up

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Yahooadam:

end

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Yahooadam:

for example

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ajh:

any idea which remote I should configure it to?

[04:01:06]

ajh:

DVB-s card 2.1 is what I have now.

[04:01:51]

ajh:

and myth isn't responding at all now.

[04:02:06]

Yahooadam:

is irw picking up the keycodes right?

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justinh:

wooo lirc fun!

[04:02:31]

ajh:

It is now!

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Yahooadam:

yes, fun ....

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Yahooadam:

you need to restart mythfrontend i believe

[04:03:21]

ajh:

I did.

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Yahooadam:

ok, then your lircrc is wrong

[04:04:12]

ajh:

it has remote = hauppauge_pvr in it

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Yahooadam:

the remote name is in lircd.conf

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ajh:

ah, ok

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Yahooadam:

its probably called lircd.conf atm

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Yahooadam:

you can call it what you want

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ajh:

the name /tmp/irrecord line? :)

[04:06:04]

Yahooadam:

yeah

[04:07:40]

ajh:

hmm, ok now 'some' keys work :)

[04:07:58]

ajh:

I assume it's just a matter of getting the labels in the two files to match now?

[04:08:18]

Yahooadam:

yeah

[04:08:39]

Yahooadam:

hmm

[04:08:41]

Yahooadam:

i tried [[Hauppauge WinTV Nova-T 500 PCI|lircd.conf]]

[04:08:52]

ajh:

yay, now that I can do, after sleep. I owe you a couple of pints if I'm near sometime. :)

[04:08:53]

Yahooadam:

but that just emboldens "lircd.conf" and doesnt give a link

[04:09:45]

ajh:

thank you very much for the help, and more for adding things so others can find them on-line :)

[04:17:27]

Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

i cant link to the nova-t 500 page cos it has a – in it

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Yahooadam:

how do you get around that in a wiki?

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Yahooadam:

ok

[04:31:39]

Yahooadam:

updated the nova-t 500 docu with udev and stuff

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Yahooadam:

ajh, could you pastebin your nova-s lircrc and lircd.conf

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Yahooadam:

also, i assume your using the nova-s plus pci?

[04:35:41]

darkwizzard:

i messed up my myth it asking for localhost

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darkwizzard:

database

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Yahooadam:

also ajh, could you pastebin the output of dmesg | grep -i dvb

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ajh:

yes, but I'm getting yelled at to go to sleep right now, I'll do it tommorrow and msg you the links.

[04:39:14]

Yahooadam:

im jsut trying to update the wiki page b4 i goto bed :p

[04:39:23]

ajh:

ah, ok I'll endure, gimme a min

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Yahooadam:

cheers :)

[04:40:57]

ajh:

http://www.pastebin.ca/967051 <- dmesg

[04:42:05]

ajh:

http://www.pastebin.ca/967054 <- lircd.conf

[04:42:09]

ajh:

The other isn't done yet.

[04:42:22]

ajh:

I need to walk the remote under every screen.

[04:42:49]

Yahooadam:

kk

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Yahooadam:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . a-S_Plus_PCI

[04:43:08]

Yahooadam:

when you get a chance, could you look over and update it then :)

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ajh:

okey, bookmarking now :)

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ajh:

I assume the interface can do linked commands too, like quit, change to 'music', etc?

[04:45:57]

ajh:

no, I should go sleep. :)

[04:46:37]

Yahooadam:

it can do yes

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Yahooadam:

anyway, gnite :)

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ajh:

sigh, one last question, is there a filter that'll fix the broadcaster added black bars automatically?

[04:52:37]

justinh:

not in 0.21

[04:53:07]

ajh:

coming then? :)

[04:53:16]

justinh:

yup

[04:53:44]

justinh:

well, being worked on. no idea whether it'll make it in or not

[04:53:55]

ajh:

cool. That and more per-channel defaults are my main observations so far, like being able to send everything from a given channel to a specific recording group.

[04:54:10]

ajh:

I also assume hidden recording groups will come eventually? :_

[04:54:22]

justinh:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/320789

[04:54:35]

justinh:

you assume a lot :)

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ajh:

the content sorting so far seems pretty primative :)

[04:55:35]

ajh:

nowhere near as bad as say a dish box. :)

[04:55:39]

justinh:

suits most people down to the ground, and it's only for TV

[04:56:33]

ajh:

in .21 is there an instant key to switch from wide to normal to partial zoom or full zoom?

[04:56:48]

ajh:

the manual zoom in .20 worked ok, but it's a bit tedious.

[04:56:55]

justinh:

the problem with having lots of options is that too many options is bad for end users. nobody likes drilling down menus with zillions of options :)

[04:57:39]

ajh:

well, having everything the commercial offerings have that's useful isn't a bad approach though.

[04:57:56]

ajh:

auto-aspect if it works will rock though.

[04:58:03]

justinh:

I've done a little bit of work on some menus to break them up a little but then too manu sub-levels is also bad

[04:58:20]

ajh:

yeah, having profile modes seems to make more sense.

[04:58:30]

ajh:

basic->advanced

[04:58:49]

justinh:

even that can be a mare. look at xine ;)

[04:58:52]

ajh:

Since if you're storing 100 recordings from 200 channels it's one thing, if you're storing 10,000...

[04:59:02]

ajh:

itunes ran into this.

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ajh:

well, still runs into it.

[04:59:30]

justinh:

I've yet to see a paradigm which works really well for huge collections

[04:59:43]

ajh:

I agree that it's hard.

[04:59:51]

justinh:

... and is also usable with a remote

[04:59:55]

ajh:

Grouping shows by title is a good one.

[05:00:17]

ajh:

then season, and ordering from newest to oldest with watched/unwatched flags

[05:00:28]

justinh:

you can make custm groups

[05:00:46]

ajh:

yeah, but they take a little too much intervention from what I've seen so far.

[05:00:56]

justinh:

though that might only be playback groups.. not sure

[05:01:01]

ajh:

I'll need to use it more to get a better idea of what I mean.

[05:01:55]

justinh:

the ui could sure use a little more commonality. there are cool features some things have which other parts could really benefit from. I'll be hitting one or 2 of them eventually

[05:03:11]

ajh:

ah, I found the adjust fill in the menu vs manual zoom, I assume scrolling through those could be programmed to a remote key?

[05:03:33]

justinh:

probably. don't use zoom modes myself

[05:03:52]

justinh:

anyway, time to shake a leg

[05:03:58]

ajh:

thanks

[05:05:56]

Deek:

hey, neat... a 28-axis joystick.

[05:05:59]

Anduin:

ajh: there are TOGGLEASPEST and TOGGLEFILL keys you can map

[05:06:11]

Anduin:

er TOGGLEASPECT

[05:06:42]

Anduin:

(Ctrl+W, W by default)

[05:07:57]

ajh:

ah, ok that's why I hadn't found it. I"ll spend tomorrow going through those, is there a good page with all the keywords?

[05:08:41]

ajh:

it's togglefill I want anyway though, aspect just ends up distorting things.

[05:09:52]

Anduin:

ajh: There is the mythcontrols plugin (I've never used it), I think there is a wiki page but don't know. I always cheat and look at the source.

[05:10:19]

ajh:

heh, I'm trying to avoid that for now, helps figure out where the doc issues are :)\

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Anduin:

Well if you give up on that, tv_play.cpp looking for REG_KEY

[05:11:07]

ajh:

ok, thanks.

[05:11:27]

ajh:

Just hamstrung by lack-of-time<tm> right now.

[05:12:12]

ajh:

Got about 100 abstracts and biographies from kernel hackers I need to edit in the next week. Hackers are bad enough with english as it is, when they're non-english speakers it just becomes painful.

[05:13:15]

purserj:

should have asked them to write their bio's as a module

[05:14:06]

ajh:

mutter, they moan enough about having to do papers in LaTeX

[05:15:03]

ajh:

and editing 800 pages of LaTeX papers is FUN! I'm very glad someone very good with it offered to organize that :)

[05:19:24]

ajh:

one thing that would be very nice is a per-channel fill setting.

[05:20:18]

ajh:

I really need some 48h days.

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baalsgate:

is the mythtv sql password in a configuration file somewhere i have forgotten what mine is

[05:29:45]

cesman:

yes

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cesman:

should be /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

[05:30:09]

cesman:

or perhaps ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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baalsgate:

cheers thanks for that

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cesman:

you're welcome

[05:34:34]

baalsgate:

cesman im going to setup a database backup in a daily cron job so that I have a copy of the database data for recordings

[05:35:25]

baalsgate:

and sqldump wants a password seems insecure ( not that it matters in this case ) to have the password in a script is there another way ?

[05:36:06]

cesman:

in *nix, there is always a way ;)

[05:36:21]

baalsgate:

just out of interest im happy with using the password in the script for this job

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cesman:

I suppose it depends on your distro

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cesman:

for instance, if there is no root (for MySQL) password set, you can use that account

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baalsgate:

oh ok

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banyan:

why would I have two working video inputs but no f****ing recorder online? I am getting "Recorder Offline" now.

[05:46:26]

banyan:

Do I need to wipe out my settings database and re-run mythtvsetup?

[05:46:36]

Deek:

no, it failed to init

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Deek:

read the backend log

[05:47:00]

banyan:

I get:

[05:47:04]

banyan:

RemoteFile::openSocket(control socket):

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banyan:

Could not connect to server "" @ port -1

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banyan:

what I'm saying is I think it failed to init because there's some crap in the mythconverg database that is throwing it off.

[05:48:03]

banyan:

The backend computer name got all confused when I went to 0.21, and I think I won't be able to unconfuse it unless I snuff the confused bit.

[05:52:33]

Deek:

Is that what the backend says?

[05:53:44]

banyan:

those lines are from the backend.

[05:53:49]

banyan:

the mythbackend.log

[05:57:14]

banyan:

crap, now it doesn't know what schema version I'm on. what do I need to stuff in settings so the backend knows that?

[05:57:53]

banyan:

can somebody have a quick look in their settings table for the row that tells the backend what the schema revision is?

[05:59:34]

Anduin:

banyan: it is DBSchemaVer and it should not be missing

[06:00:10]

banyan:

It is now because I got fed up and deleted from settings.

[06:00:48]

Anduin:

truncating the settings table has nothing to do with the capture card configuration

[06:01:23]

banyan:

well, if I don't figure out what does soon, I'm going to remove the entire database and reinstall.

[06:02:02]

Anduin:

it is far less drastic to just use mythtv-setup to reconfigure your capture cards

[06:02:09]

banyan:

yep, been there.

[06:03:04]

bobgill:

I must install mythtv themes to the backend or the frontend?

[06:03:39]

Anduin:

Well dumping the settings table just messes everything else up, that hostname field isn't in a DNS it is "resolved" by looking in the settings table.

[06:04:38]

Anduin:

bobgill: both, though in the backend mostly just for mythtv-setup

[06:05:01]

bobgill:

ah ok thanks :]

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bobgill:

dang it keeps saying: ERROR: mythconfig.mak not found at /usr/local/include/mythtv/mythconfig.mak

[06:08:50]

banyan:

I do have to say, it could easily be my doing, but the 0.20 -> 0.21 upgrade is not smooth.

[06:08:52]

bobgill:

Did you make AND install MythTV first?

[06:08:54]

bobgill:

Are you using the correct prefix (/usr/local)?

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banyan:

heh, at least now I can watch live tv, which means that it knows there are sources.

[06:15:42]

banyan:

NOw I just need to figure out why I can only see up to channel 13... must be set to broadcast rather than cable.

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banyan:

hell, now the front end shows no text and no icons. I've had that happen before.

[06:20:20]

banyan:

but usually I do get icons and no text.

[06:20:52]

justinh:

instal msttcorefonts

[06:21:05]

justinh:

or just avoid themes which rely on Arial

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[06:22:04]

banyan:

a) which are those, b) I am not inclined to go download 35 things off MS's website. Is msttcorefonts actually packaged somewhere?

[06:23:13]

banyan:

Sorry, I'm kinda snappy, after having had no working myth since 0.21 hit my machine.

[06:23:35]

justinh:

banyan: the core themes, mostly

[06:23:50]

justinh:

and most distros have packages of msttcorefonts AFAIK

[06:24:02]

justinh:

the package name generally depends on the distro :P

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banyan:

and it should be a dependency if the frontend needs it.

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justinh:

yeah well tell that to the people who make mythtv packages

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banyan:

that and a long list of other things!

[06:33:02]

banyan:

so which themes are the core themes?

[06:33:41]

banyan:

All I see is a list of themes, maybe some are core and some aren't ...

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justinh:

G.A.N.T, blue, titivillus, Retro, Iulius

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justinh:

minimalist-wide

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banyan:

there we go. Now all I need to do is kick my ivtv in the ass and figure out why my first recorder on my 500 doesn't work.

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bobc:

anyone awake?

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justinh:

nope. Zzzzzzzzzzz

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bobc:

I'm confused over setting up the channels for my shiney new hdhomerun.

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bobc:

I'm getting channels off cable and the schedules from schedulesdirect using OTA/Antenna, but can't figure out how to map the channel numbers so that they make any sense

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bobc:

the mythtv wiki just says they will need to be mapped, but I can't figure out how that is done.

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justinh:

gotta love the wiki

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xris:

bobc: generally (and unfortunately), by hand.

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xris:

you need to find the xmltvid from the SD channel and plug it into the database fir the channel your hdhr picked up

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bobc:

ok, I see the option to set the xmltvid for the channel

[06:57:22]

bobc:

where could I find the SD xmltvid?

[06:59:40]

bobc:

OK, I see it filled in for me in the SD channel of all places

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bobc:

thanks for your help, I really appreciate it.

[07:00:22]

bobc:

especially at this time of the night

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wibbit:

Hi, does any one know of an alternative to this (http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=3570) DVI + Audio -> HDMI, which isn't quite as expensive.

[09:34:56]

DustyBin:

wibbit: check these people: http://www.keene.co.uk/ they have a box and cable for everything

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wibbit:

DustyBin: Cheers, I'll have a look at some of there stuff a little later.

[09:46:25]

wibbit:

Went and bought a DVI to HDMI cable then relalised I'd forgotten about the blasted audio, duh!

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DustyBin:

wibbit: silly sod!

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wibbit:

That's one way of putting it

[09:48:54]

wibbit:

But on the birght side, it IS a very nice cable :)

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DustyBin:

aye good

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natoka:

re

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justinh:

just use an amp. audio in flat panel TVs is exceptionally shite

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Deek:

man, building an "svnusers" file takes a while... :)

[10:26:31]

natoka:

can grow complex, though when the configuration itself is complex, accessing the repository can become quite slow

[10:26:46]

Deek:

(locating and listing all people who have committed to myth, by name and email)

[10:27:38]

laga:

Deek: what do you need that for? just wondering

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DustyBin:

justinh, just the man, remember i while ago i said about alpine producing a new stereo what has the first ever 'digital audio' connection to the ipod?

[10:28:00]

Deek:

laga: I'm running git-svn.

[10:28:05]

laga:

ah

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DustyBin:

"Late generation (colour screen) iPods link directly to the iDA-X100 via a direct high-speed USB connection. Unlike previous solutions, which relied on an analogue interface cable or adapter box, the iDA-X100â€™s pure digital USB connection provides fast data transfer, quick command response and superior iPod sound."

[10:28:36]

hashbang:

DustyBin: heh

[10:28:40]

DustyBin:

http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/alpine-idax100-p-6482.html

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hashbang:

DustyBin: plenty of Aldi's car stereos do that.

[10:30:36]

DustyBin:

the digital audio connection requires newer ipods

[10:30:59]

DustyBin:

and the ipods need to have a proper firmware update from itunes

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laga:

apple probably needs to stop doing proprietary crap :)

[10:32:41]

DustyBin:

if there was a decent car stereo what connects to a audio player via digital connection what can play OGGs i would buy one but there isnt no choice

[10:33:29]

hashbang:

DustyBin: can you find a car stereo that has an optical input?

[10:34:05]

hashbang:

DustyBin: because ISTR old iRiver H-1xx had optical outs (inputs, certainly, not so sure about the outs)

[10:34:52]

DustyBin:

hashbang: even so, you still wouldnt be able to control the iriver from the headunit?

[10:35:22]

hashbang:

DustyBin: correct, it'll need to be USB or some proprietary link

[10:36:21]

hashbang:

DustyBin: I'm not sure a digital link is that useful, but having control of the MP3 player via normal controls is

[10:36:37]

hashbang:

DustyBin: connect2 do a bunch of iPod adaptors that make it show up as a CD changer

[10:36:52]

hashbang:

http://www.connects2.com/c2home.aspx?AcceptsCookies=yes

[10:37:43]

hashbang:

it's enough to make me consider getting an iPod...

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DustyBin:

hmm...

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justinh:

just get a stereo which accepts ipod natively :)

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hashbang:

justinh: then you have to fart around to get the steering wheel controls to control the new stereo...

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DustyBin:

one what connects via digital + digial audio

[10:39:52]

justinh:

DustyBin: you're still talking complete bollocks about that Alpine thing. My Kenwood is USB only

[10:40:19]

justinh:

I know you're just regurgitating their sales waffle though

[10:40:35]

justinh:

hashbang: so? doesn't add up to much more cost

[10:40:57]

hashbang:

justinh: is it even possible? do you need to have the old steering controls removed?

[10:41:04]

justinh:

my new stereo (USB,ipod etc) & steering wheel interface.. comes in at Â£140 delivered

[10:41:09]

justinh:

yeah sure it is

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** hashbang would want to change things as little as possible **

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justinh:

adapters are at most Â£29.99 plus a cable to go to the stereo (bout a fiver)

[10:41:45]

justinh:

* from the right place

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laga:

i've got a steering control in my pug 206, i consider it the best thing in the whole damn car so i'm a bit reluctant about getting anew stereo. adaptors are like 60â‚¬ :/

[10:41:58]

hashbang:

right, OK

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** hashbang isn't really a big ICE head **

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justinh:

caraudiosecurity.com :)

[10:42:35]

DustyBin:

http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk :)

[10:46:21]

hashbang:

justinh: http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/6818.html # aha!

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davisc:

.

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justinh:

never heard of them connect2 things

[10:50:20]

hashbang:

justinh: I found them on some av forum

[10:50:28]

hashbang:

justinh: I like the look of doing track display via RDS

[10:50:57]

justinh:

er.. doesn't the stereo already have its own display? :P

[10:51:25]

hashbang:

justinh: well, the one I was looking at was for a stereo without a USB/proprietary input

[10:52:06]

justinh:

http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/5858.html

[10:52:23]

justinh:

reads the files orf the pod :)

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hashbang:

justinh: yup, looks like the sort of thing that'd work

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justinh:

won't play flac or ogg though – but then without rockbox, which ones will?

[10:53:06]

hashbang:

justinh: iRiver. :-)

[10:53:31]

hashbang:

justinh: also, I don't know about the iPod, but when the iRiver HDD players are in USB mass storage mode, the HDD spins constantly

[10:53:31]

justinh:

available at.. umm... some shops.. somewhere. maybe online or something

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hashbang:

justinh: not brilliant for in-car use.

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justinh:

HDDs in music players is a silly idea anyway

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hashbang:

justinh: yeah, it's a short-term thing. SSD will rule, in time.

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Deek:

not if it's flash.

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justinh:

Deek: current flash tech will prolly outlast HDDs

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Deek:

only because it takes so damn long to write to. ;)

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** justinh hold his media crystal up to the light & peers through it, wondering how they store 52PB of data on a 1 cubic centimetre cube **

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hashbang:

justinh: er, that's actually a bit of cheap rose quartz your missus bought from that weird New Age shop last weekend.

[10:57:52]

Deek:

Is that the kind that deletes files from the source when you download them?

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justinh:

Deek: yeah. we now pay per access. the media companies are very kind to let us do that!

[11:00:17]

justinh:

hashbang: if my missus ever went into a new age shop to buy something I think I'd be going to see a solicitor

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natoka:

^^ you forgot to mention that they even remeber personal preferences, and you gain the convenience that they produce ads perfectly fitting to your profile ...

[11:01:59]

justinh:

natoka: since they added retinal scans to augment the DRM security checks, portable players now allow you to listen to half of the track uninterrupted!

[11:02:43]

hashbang:

justinh: heh

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natoka:

justinh: and I was just wondering what this red plug was for, so i'm just missing my retinal scanner, before i can start listening to music ...

[11:03:36]

natoka:

how convenient to know ;)

[11:05:10]

Deek:

That's for the neural interface adaptor; it avoids all possible analog holes. See, by playing the track and then removing your memory of it, you are completely protected from infringing their copyright.

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justinh:

natoka: a rumour in the press is that the retinal scanner will soon be superceded by a new gadget – the latest thing will let you listen to the whole track in one go. they call it IVAC (Identification Verification by Anal Cavity)

[11:06:15]

Deek:

(the retinal scanner, being low-security, is allowed to use Bluetooth)

[11:06:28]

justinh:

they're calling it a way to plug the Anal Log Hole

[11:07:57]

natoka:

lol, probably this leads to a dead lock situation between music industry, sex industry and the church ...

[11:08:49]

Deek:

nah, lube is nonconductive...can't use it.

[11:09:13]

justinh:

Deek: that's the point :P

[11:09:32]

Deek:

was to natoka :)

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Deek:

the church would be happy with it for several reasons

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directhex|bsp:

is this a valuable topic for discussion? O_o

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laga:

directhex|bsp: hey, i can't connect to my database. also, my remote frontend can't play videos from my backend. oh, and the picture is too big for my screeen.

[11:12:39]

laga:

better?

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Deek:

first, the IVAC cuts off several methods of contraception and...deviant...behavior in one fell swoop.

[11:12:53]

natoka:

^^ nope, it's just the usual flame and fame about the music industry

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directhex|bsp:

laga, you forgot about how mythtv broke your xorg.conf

[11:13:12]

laga:

directhex|bsp: it raped my dog

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justinh:

I installed mythtv & it broke my hard drive

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justinh:

on a DIFFERENT computer!

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directhex|bsp:

mythtv causes aids!

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Deek:

Second, it acclimates people to doing penance. :)

[11:13:35]

directhex|bsp:

quick, someone start a wiki page with that title

[11:14:26]

Deek:

It blew up my NEIGHBOR's car!

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Dagmar:

It made all the beer in my fridge go flat

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Deek:

that was me; sorry

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, :o :'(

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Dagmar:

It's okay. There were domestics.

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justinh:

Why mythtv sucks... somebody asked for a blowjob ?

[11:19:03]

** justinh gets his coat **

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directhex|bsp:

i still say we put a redirect on that, to "mythtv causes aids"

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Dagmar:

Nah, just put a click-through EULA on the site

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Dagmar:

...and say that it causes mental deficiency.

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Dagmar:

People with AIDS might complain if you say it causes AIDS, but no one cares what stupid people think.

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Deek:

"stupid people"....redundant.

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hashbang:

justinh: http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/8052.html # strikes me as a better deal than the Kenwood

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justinh:

hashbang: apart from it not having normal USB you mean

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hashbang:

justinh: ooh, good point

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hashbang:

justinh: OTOH, analog input so better for my iRiver right now

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directhex|bsp:

all these fancy cars with non-integrated cd drives

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justinh:

hashbang: mine has analogue line in also :)

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hashbang:

justinh: OK, fair enough. :-)

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hashbang:

justinh: the Kenwood is better value if you want to spend <100, the Sony includes BT for 50 quid + lack of standard USB

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: all these fancy cars with _shite_ stereos

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hashbang:

swings and roundabouts

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justinh:

hashbang: BT can be had for the Kenny for Â£40

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hashbang:

justinh: http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/search_resul . . . P&desc=1 seems to be the Kenwood way; 25 quid more

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justinh:

I considered bluetooth, then remembered the last time I had to make or take a call in the car.. or rather couldn't :)

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hashbang:

justinh: generic USB for 25 seems OK

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justinh:

hashbang: not cheapest there

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hashbang:

justinh: yeah, I generally plan ahead too! :-)

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justinh:

saw the BT100 effort online for Â£39.95 the other week

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justinh:

prolly Â£20+VAT delivery though

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hashbang:

justinh: any experience on how replacing the stereo affects insurance premiums? (technically, the car is then 'modified', right?)

[11:37:17]

justinh:

hashbang: up to a certain value (Â£500 on my policy) it's fine

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justinh:

they generally mean wanky wheels, baked bean tins on the exhaust, spoilers etc

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hashbang:

justinh: yeah, audio on mine is covered to 750, but I've never had a 'modified' vehicle

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hashbang:

justinh: yeah, but they also include things like swapping V-rated for W-rated tyres

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justinh:

pays to ask yer insurer

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hashbang:

justinh: or have been known to

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justinh:

some are even arsey about the brand of screenwash ffs

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justinh:

hashbang: rightly so – you shouldn't under-spec

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hashbang:

OTOH, they don't care if all 4 tyres are different makes, as long as they're the original speed rating...

[11:39:08]

hashbang:

justinh: no, W is better than V.

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justinh:

they're arsey about that? eesh

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justinh:

any excuse

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hashbang:

cnuts, aren't they?

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directhex|bsp:

my old car was counted as a "sports" model, so was more expensive to insure than my current car

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directhex|bsp:

1.1l engine, engine warning lights came on at >65mph

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hashbang:

justinh: otherwise, with you 100% on under-spec'ing tyres

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justinh:

heh. yay for kate xml aligning tool :)

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dustybin:

can people in Norway use MythTV?

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dustybin:

13:04 <@McDuck> becuse the tv signals here are mpeg4

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dustybin:

13:04 <@McDuck> and the current cards sold here, only supports mpeg2

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justinh:

lol

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directhex|bsp:

dustybin, yes. digital tv cards don't care about the codec used, they care about the transport stream

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justinh:

God bless the uninitiated

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directhex|bsp:

an old nova-t will grab any codec, as long as it's dvb-t

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directhex|bsp:

an old s-1500 will grab bbc-hd fine, since it's dvb-s. it won't touch dvb-s2

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dustybin:

13:10 <@McDuck> when you go to the store to buy a brand new pvr card, there is a huge sticker on it saying: "DOES NOT WORK WITH "DIGITALT BAKKENETT(DVB-T MPEG4)"

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dustybin:

?

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directhex|bsp:

"pvr card"? no shit, those are analog

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** justinh wonders what's up with mythweb's music thingy **

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dustybin:

directhex|bsp: could that guy use a Nova-T 500 to pick up DVB-T MPEG4 in Norway?

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justinh:

dustybin: yes

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dustybin:

13:13 <@McDuck> Video: MPEG4 AVC/H.264 Audio: HE-AAC

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dustybin:

13:14 <@McDuck> thats the standard they use here

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justinh:

why the need to be a proxy anyway? McDuck too scared or something?

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directhex|bsp:

dustybin, yes. h264 is exactly what bbc-hd uses, you can get that with old dvb-s tuners. an old dvb-t tuner worked fine for the bbc-hd dvb-t trial

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directhex|bsp:

dustybin, just because the windows software in the box is shite, doesn't mean the card is crippled

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dustybin:

13:14 <@McDuck> Also, the majority of channels are encrypted (Conax)

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dustybin:

ive told him to come here!

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directhex|bsp:

encryption is another matter. conax is no problem though, with a suitable tv card

[12:18:57]

directhex|bsp:

justinh, would you believe maplins stock conax cams? O_o

[12:19:27]

justinh:

directhex|bsp: I might believe they say they have them in stock, not that they're actually IN stock

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dustybin:

is conax hardcore military style encryption?

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directhex|bsp:

dustybin, not remotely

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directhex|bsp:

i think conax was cracked years ago

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directhex|bsp:

but for the purposes of this discussion, conax is an encryption method with several easily available (branded) CAMs

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Dagmar:

There's no such thing as "miliary-style" or "military-grade" encryption, BTW.

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directhex|bsp:

precisely to allow you to use whatever receiver kit you like (e.g. mythtv) to watch conax-encrypted content. along with a suitable viewing card, obviously

[12:21:49]

Dagmar:

...except it didn't work out that way.

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, milspec rot13!

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quicksilver:

military-style encryption is encryption written by people wearing jackboots.

[12:21:56]

quicksilver:

obviously.

[12:22:38]

Dagmar:

You don't get to watch it with whatever kit you like because they tied licencing the patent on decrypting it to a licence agreement that basically makes an open-source driver, or primarily open-source viewing environment outright impossible.

[12:23:23]

justinh:

bullshit

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directhex|bsp:

... que?

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directhex|bsp:

so myth DOESN'T have CAM support now?

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EvilGuru:

Dagmar: Wasn't it the same deal with CSS? Until decss came around

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directhex|bsp:

i wonder what this CAm precisely 2 inches to the left of my left hand was doing for a year

[12:23:52]

Dagmar:

Good luck finding a driver.

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laga:

heh

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laga:

my CAM works jut fine.

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directhex|bsp:

you don't *NEED* a driver for a CAM. it's plugged directly into the hardware

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Dagmar:

s/driver/legal driver/;

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laga:

Dagmar: it's legal.

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justinh:

Dagmar: FA to do with drivers

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Dagmar:

I was rather excited about CableCard until this shit came up

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justinh:

cable card is an entirely different ball of crud

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laga:

Dagmar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_Access_Module

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, cablecard is the crippled, host-reliant, american version of CAM

[12:25:12]

Dagmar:

Your cams go in an STB, right?

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, CAM has been delivering on the promises of CableCard for years and years

[12:25:24]

Dagmar:

Well, clearly we're not going to be allowed to get it here.

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, so what does that have to do with someone in norway?

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Dagmar:

Not a damn thing

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directhex|bsp:

just because you guys got fucked by cablecard, doesn't mean conax CAms aren't readily available and myth-friendly

[12:26:15]

Dagmar:

...but give it time.

[12:26:21]

Dagmar:

They'll take that standard away from you soon enough.

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directhex|bsp:

here, have a conax hd cam. http://www.pulsat.com/satellite/site/details. . . . &catID=3

[12:26:45]

directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, CI slots are found on some models of tv card, some models of set-top box, and all digital tvs

[12:26:56]

Dagmar:

Broadcastrs will be "encouraged" (through economic embargoes) to switch to a patent-protected standard.

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justinh:

here comes the FUD

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Dagmar:

You got any non-CSS DVD players over there that aren't "a linux box"?

[12:27:41]

Dagmar:

Anyone could make a DVD player if they wanted to.

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justinh:

DVD != satellite TV

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Dagmar:

It's the same game, just on a different format.

[12:28:13]

justinh:

CAMs are actually generally properly licensed hardware and thus don't have any issues

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Dagmar:

I figure the main reason they're trying it is that they were so successful in sewing up player rights on DVDs.

[12:29:01]

justinh:

in any case, good luck fighting it. everything's patented now

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EvilGuru:

Dagmar: In China I believe non-licensed DVD players are common-place

[12:29:16]

Dagmar:

EvilGuru: In China they pirate everything but Hero.

[12:29:30]

Dagmar:

Pirate a copy of Hero, and they lock your ass up.

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justinh:

not only the encripplement – the actual encoding is patented too

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EvilGuru:

I'll bear that in mind

[12:30:12]

justinh:

if they ever enforce software patents in the US successfully, bye bye mythtv :)

[12:30:24]

Dagmar:

Nah

[12:30:32]

justinh:

or rather, bye bye h.264, mpeg2 ... etc

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directhex|bsp:

yeah

[12:30:42]

directhex|bsp:

justinh, even mjpeg, no?

[12:30:47]

justinh:

oh yeah

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Dagmar:

Gosh we'd all be forced to switch to using Theora/Vorbia

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justinh:

not forgetting mp3 too

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Dagmar:

s/Vorbia/Vorbis/;

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justinh:

Dagmar: and software encoding :P

[12:31:16]

justinh:

promise I won't laugh my arse off

[12:31:32]

Dagmar:

Hauppauge already licenced what's in the PVR cards, no worries there.

[12:31:46]

justinh:

fat lot of use if you can't play it back

[12:32:50]

justinh:

still, I guess myth could move towards GStreamer & y'all could pay for the decoders

[12:33:13]

Dagmar:

Oh holy SHIT you don't want that

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Dagmar:

When Gstreamer works it's great

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, what's the alternative? YOU'RE the one convincing us what happens with cablecard applied globally and to codecs too

[12:33:39]

Dagmar:

...when the moon is full, or it's an odd-numbered day of the week, on the other hand... it's a f**king nightmare.

[12:33:47]

justinh:

apart from when it doesn't work

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Dagmar:

directhex: This would be the reason to call up the barristers or solicitors or whatever you call the Loonies and tell them "DON'T LET TEM TAK MY TEEV AWAYS!"

[12:34:34]

justinh:

think about it all too hard & it starts to look very bleak :)

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Dagmar:

_Very_ bleak.

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justinh:

Don't let suicide plans get in the way of enjoying everything while you still have it though eh

[12:35:45]

Dagmar:

I am archiving everything I got

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justinh:

this might just be bravado but I reckon I could easily live without television

[12:36:15]

justinh:

people need to start thinking of TV as more of a luxury item than a birthright ffs

[12:36:27]

Dagmar:

I figure I'll be too busy foraging for food to worry about it in another five years

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justinh:

maybe :)

[12:36:49]

Dagmar:

Keeping the alarms set for when the cannibals and the looting squads come 'round

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justinh:

charging up the batteries for nightly screenings of Mad Max so you can think "ahh if only we could be that well off"

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Dagmar:

Heh

[12:37:54]

Dagmar:

"They're not _just_ a moat, they're also a lead-acid power supply."

[12:39:01]

Dagmar:

"I would advise not peeing in it."

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Dagmar:

In the future, you'll pay for each eyeball you watch TV and each ear, and be fined if you go to the loo during a commercial.

[13:01:21]

Dagmar:

Of course, this will be billed as a "discount" for people who are deaf in one ear, or partially blind.

[13:01:33]

Dagmar:

s/billed/billeted/;

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justinh:

one way or the other, I hope I'm dead by then

[13:03:42]

justinh:

could go the other way. possible that the only content to watch will all be user-generated :)

[13:03:54]

justinh:

(and very disappointingly lame)

[13:03:55]

Dagmar:

Well, at least sanity is starting to win in the courts now, a little bit.

[13:04:36]

Dagmar:

The RIAA is about to get ass-handed on their "making available" argument, and will probably be coutersued by the people who were bankrupt by their ludicrous protection racket.

[13:04:52]

Dagmar:

Jack Thompson can no longer effectively practice law in his home state.

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Dagmar:

Now if we can just get rid of Bush before he stages a terrorist attack...

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, quick, summon the ron-paulmobile!

[13:06:16]

Dagmar:

At this point, I'd take him.

[13:06:49]

Dagmar:

He has his outbursts of "mildly looney" but otherwise seems to be willing to answer questions everyone else "speechifies"

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Dagmar:

Man, I love how Windows XP has absolutely no rhyme or reason in how it "notices" devices.

[13:18:42]

Dagmar:

Laptop just noticed the Myth box being available over uPnP... after having the new version up for a week.

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Dagmar:

As an added bonus, it's verbiage on the matter was thoroughly vague as to whether it thought it could play from or send to the device.

[13:19:52]

Dagmar:

After five days of plugging and unplugging my PSP, it finally decides to ask me if I'd like to sync the multimedia content on it.

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banyan:

Does anybody here know how to fix an issue where ivtv only activates one of my two tuners on a pvr-500? there may be some significance in the fact that my other card is a 350...

[13:30:00]

Dagmar:

Joy

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banyan:

or, I should say, ivtv sees all three tuners but the first one on the 500 doesn't actually output anything.

[13:30:31]

Dagmar:

Start by seeing if the PVR-500 by itself will work.

[13:30:39]

Dagmar:

If it doesn't, then you need to make sure you have the _right_ firmware.

[13:30:49]

Dagmar:

...as in _physically remove_ the 350 from the machine.

[13:31:17]

Dagmar:

It's likely Linux is trying to initialize them in a loose order and it's getting things mucked up

[13:33:03]

banyan:

is there a way to get ivtv to neglect the presence of the 350 short of actually taking it out?

[13:33:27]

Dagmar:

Not _easily_

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banyan:

I'm lazy and there are a *lot* of cables attached to the back of that computer.

[13:33:33]

banyan:

:-)

[13:35:12]

banyan:

I wonder if somebody makes some kind of junction connector, where you connect your PC cables to the back of another board, and then they all fan out to the actual back of your computer after a couple of feet of cable...

[13:36:04]

banyan:

not that the concept sounds useful now that I see it in text.

[13:37:20]

banyan:

which f/w is the right one?

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Dagmar:

The ivtv website has it documented

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banyan:

ah, cool.

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Dagmar:

...and trust me, dropping the side off the machine and yanking a card out will be easier than figuring out the udev rules necessary to blacklist something by PCI ID.

[13:38:29]

Dagmar:

er PCI bus address.

[13:38:42]

Dagmar:

I've *no* idea how to do the latter at the moment as well.

[13:38:51]

Dagmar:

Okay, I have a _vague_ idea.

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hashbang:

Dagmar: sometimes the PCI bus addresses switch around anyway, IME

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justinh:

the bus IDs don't though :)

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banyan:

If I didn't have the firmware that IVTV expected, would I not get an error? It happily loads something or other into the card...

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banyan:

actually, should I only see one load event for the whole 500 or should there be one for each tuner?

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justinh:

one per, I'd imagine

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banyan:

I guess the firmware file name doesn't really tell us much.. v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw

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banyan:

And I do see it getting loaded twice to the 500, but not consistently, across multiple loads of ivtv.

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banyan:

my firmware package dates back to 20070217. Is that old?

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dustybin:

i was laying on my bed listening to music through mythmusic, the frontend crashed and it said something like glibc memory corruption with a address

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dustybin:

i was listening to FLACs

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ajh:

so, what's the best remote to get in 'your' opinion for Myth? Do the Harmony all work ok?

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Dagmar:

Whatever's cheap

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ajh:

The hauppauge one works ok, but some of the keys hit tv functions.

[14:23:15]

ajh:

Well, I'm not worried about cheap, more having all the functions easily accessible, not a Pronto or anything though :)

[14:23:16]

Dagmar:

Then put some electrical tape over the IR sensor on your TV, or use a different remote.

[14:23:40]

ajh:

tv still controls the volume :)

[14:23:47]

Dagmar:

You will rather _quickly_ learn that the functionality one gets from LIRC is directly proportional to the amount of detail put in it's config.

[14:24:07]

Dagmar:

You would do better to set the TV to medium volume and let MythTV use it's own internal volume control, then.

[14:24:17]

Dagmar:

Plus, then the OSDs would match.

[14:24:19]

ajh:

except then the other devices lose volume

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PatrickDK:

I find the volume control on the sound card horrid

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ajh:

still need to use the PS3 :)

[14:25:11]

PatrickDK:

it's not a smooth ramp, but a log scale

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hashbang:

ajh: as in your Hauppauge remote is sending the same IR codes as your TV's remote?

[14:25:25]

ajh:

Honestly I'd rather use the Myth volume, my fe case has a dial.

[14:25:36]

ajh:

hashbang, yes for a couple keys.

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hashbang:

ajh: weird.

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hashbang:

there's only a limited # of codes though, so it has to happen sooner or later

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ajh:

not enough to run out and get one right away, but given it's a fairly high end setup I do want something nice later.

[14:26:22]

ajh:

yeah, I really wish they'd just go bluetooth

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hashbang:

ajh: replacing the TV more expensive than buying a Logitech, eh?

[14:26:38]

ajh:

It's a Dell 50" plasma, so yes. :)

[14:27:08]

ajh:

Later volume will be through a Bryston Pre-processor, but until then I need tv volume. :)

[14:27:55]

ajh:

I was more wondering if all the logitech ones will work ok with lirc

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ajh:

so the 'radio' button turns the tv off, but not back on. :)

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Dagmar:

Dude, this isn't a liberal art.

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Dagmar:

Anything your TV does with that remote is entirely separate from MythTV for one thing

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ajh:

of course it is :)

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ajh:

but it makes the hauppauge remote less suitable.

[14:30:05]

Dagmar:

So _stop using it already_

[14:30:37]

Dagmar:

Just go to the local department store and pick up a cheap PVR-centric One4All remote.

[14:31:02]

Dagmar:

For like ~$15 you can get a programmable one, set it to an RC5 profile, and then basically code each button on it to send whatever signal you want.

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ajh:

yeah, I guess the strength of the logitech's is programability, where with myth you can do that in the receiver

[14:31:20]

Dagmar:

Even considering the configuration time, that's going to be really cheap.

[14:31:34]

Dagmar:

You'd have to do the same kind of detailed configuration with a Harmony remote, BTW.

[14:31:48]

Dagmar:

You can program almost all of hte One4Alls as well.

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ajh:

yeah, I figured.

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PatrickDK:

unless logitech already has a myth profile

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Dagmar:

The PVR-style one I have (no idea which model number anymore) will let you bind individual buttons to a given device profile.

[14:32:20]

ajh:

programming it isn't a big deal now that the receiver is working.

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Dagmar:

PatrickDK: Considering that Myth doesn't read any signals directly, that's doubtful.

[14:32:52]

PatrickDK:

I figured maybe they supplied a lirc config file :)

[14:32:56]

ajh:

the main issue is a lot of the things Americans assume are available 'off the shelf at frys' aren't easily gotten here.

[14:32:56]

PatrickDK:

but I can dream :)

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Dagmar:

Something like http://www.ofausa.com/remote.php?type=URC%206131 pretty much handles everything.

[14:33:44]

Dagmar:

that's pretty close to the model I have, but I have a slightly older model that is much narrower

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PatrickDK:

I have 4 of those

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Dagmar:

ajh: This isn't particularly a matter of any specific thing being available

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Dagmar:

I just bought one that looked like I could stand to use it, and then told LIRC about having a Phillips remote (RC5 protocol), and then told the remote to behave like that.

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ajh:

ah, ok

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dustybin:

how does mythstream control my volume via a digital audio connection?

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dustybin:

i thought there was no way to control volume via digital, mythstream it works?

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Dagmar:

Umm.. it's _playing the video_

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Dagmar:

ajh: It's actually easier than most setups to pick a profile for LIRC that has what you want and then tell a programmable remote to behave like one of whatever you told LIRC about.

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ajh:

guess I go look at what crappy ones bestbuy carries here, that place is so full of sadness though whenever I try to get something.

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ajh:

I had to do most of the keybindings for the hauppauge one this morning, didn't take long.

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PatrickDK:

my wife is pissed at bestbuy currently

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PatrickDK:

cause the guy in the store said she couldn't hook her tomtom into her ipod

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Dagmar:

ajh: Helpful indeed to put the model number and "LIRC" into Google.

[14:38:41]

Dagmar:

This is basically what made me _very_ happy: http://www.vulturesnest.net/mythtvremote.html

[14:38:42]

Dagmar:

Hehh

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Dagmar:

First hit on http://www.google.com/search?q=urc-6131+lirc

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ajh:

Thanks! Now I'll go see if I can find something suitable locally

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ajh:

I like being talked out of the expensive option. :)

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ajh:

Guess I do need a USB IR receiver too though, when I split the FE off the cards won't be very close and I somehow doubt this one would appreciate running 40' across cat6.

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ajh:

anyone tried that? :)

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psymin:

ajh: I just got a firefly rf unit .. works good :)

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Dagmar:

Just as long as it's a powered signal crossing that

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hashbang:

Dagmar: a Tevion remote I bought from Aldi last year has support for the Hauppauge codes.

[14:42:28]

hashbang:

Dagmar: probably cheaper than a one-for-all, too

[14:42:37]

Dagmar:

hashbang: Great. He can buy one of those and have it malfunction then.

[14:42:45]

Dagmar:

You should scroll up a bit. Hint hint. ;)

[14:42:54]

Davo_Dinkum:

are there any simple remotes that work with mythtv? like the apple remote?

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Dagmar:

Not enough buttons

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Davo_Dinkum:

but does it work?

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Dagmar:

Almost ANY IR remote will work with LIRC.

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Dagmar:

Myth doesn't read remotes.

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Davo_Dinkum:

well lirc then

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hashbang:

Dagmar: isn't that page all about just programming the remote to work with a Hauppauge IR receiver?

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hashbang:

Dagmar: in which case, surely he'll end up with the same problem?

[14:44:14]

Dagmar:

If the IR dongle is doing the decoding he might

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Dagmar:

...but I fail to see how that would affect his TV going off and not coming back on.

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Dagmar:

s/affect/impact/;

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Dagmar:

...and that page is about telling LIRC how to decode a Phillips.

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PatrickDK:

it's only specific rc5 codes that cause issues for him

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PatrickDK:

he can program the remote around those codes easily

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Dagmar:

Yeah, which is why it would be easier to just tell the thing to behave like some other model of device.

[14:47:14]

Dagmar:

The RC-5 protocol is useful because it doesn't just spam one code when you push a button down (or rather, it's not required like some other remotes with primitive mechanisms).

[14:47:27]

Dagmar:

It works much more like AT keyboard protocol.

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Dagmar:

You get a code for button down, a code for what button down, an optional "Yes, it's still down" code, and a code for "button up"

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PatrickDK:

hmm, my hauppauge just the code out continuously, with a count that increments to say it's still down

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Dagmar:

Yes, but it doesn't just send the same code over and over and over like certain others

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Dagmar:

...and you'll probably notice that whether or not it sends a continuous stream depends on which button you've pressed

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Dagmar:

Note that by "you get" I mean the protocol has the ability to, not that all buttons behave that way.

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Nicias:

I'm having very strange behavior with two or my recording rules.

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Nicias:

It seems to ignore the max recordings rule.

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Dagmar:

Ignore how

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Nicias:

well, more accurately it can't count the number of episodes.

[15:03:49]

Nicias:

So my logs say this:

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Nicias:

2008-04–02 10:59:35.530 Recordid 583 has 2 recordings.

[15:04:03]

Nicias:

but it actually has 9.

[15:04:12]

Nicias:

the logs also say:

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Nicias:

2008-04–02 10:59:35.334 My Show (7 for rec id 583)

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Nicias:

but, as I said, it has 9, and myth seems to know they are the right show b/c they show up in mythweb under that show.

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Dagmar:

Did you tell it to actually delete the old recordings?

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Nicias:

hmm.

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Nicias:

well it seems to be scheduling more episodes.

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Nicias:

and recording more.

[15:06:01]

Nicias:

what do you mean to tell it to delete the old ones?

[15:06:17]

Nicias:

I don't have "record new and expire old" set.

[15:06:34]

Nicias:

or "auto expire" but my understanding was that that was due to space issues.

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Dagmar:

If you don't tell it to record new ones and expire the old ones, it will get to it's max number of recordings and stop recording new ones, afaik.

[15:06:44]

Nicias:

Yes that is the goal.

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Nicias:

and that is what happens with all of my rules like this.

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Dagmar:

...which definitely works here with 0.21-fixes from about a week ago.

[15:06:58]

Nicias:

except these two :)

[15:07:15]

Nicias:

these rules, it just keeps recording.

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Dagmar:

So nuke 'em and remake 'em

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Nicias:

the rules?

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Nicias:

I have done that before.

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Dagmar:

The one rule you have for that show.

[15:07:43]

Nicias:

I'll do it now.

[15:07:50]

Nicias:

just to make sure I'm not crazy :)

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Dagmar:

If you have more than one rule for the same show, lord only knwos what's happening there

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Dagmar:

It's possible that one rule just got borked somehow

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Nicias:

That was my first thought.

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Nicias:

ok.

[15:08:27]

Nicias:

rule nuked.

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Nicias:

no new recordings schedule for it.

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Dagmar:

I've definitely just got 8 episodes of Outer Limits and 10 of Twilight Zone and 3 for the 6 o'clock news.

[15:08:51]

Dagmar:

There's like 200 episodes of Twilight Zone on a week I swear.

[15:08:52]

Dagmar:

Heh

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Nicias:

yeah.

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Nicias:

most of my rules work.

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Nicias:

hmm.

[15:11:14]

Nicias:

now I feel like an idiot.

[15:11:20]

Nicias:

bc it is working :/

[15:11:29]

Dagmar:

It happens.

[15:11:33]

Nicias:

lemme wait for autoexpire to run.

[15:11:49]

Nicias:

I totally did this before :/

[15:12:16]

Nicias:

I'm gonna wait for the scheduler to run (should happen in 8 minutes.) Then delete the episodes to get it down to 6.

[15:12:25]

Nicias:

(less than 7) and see if it reschedules.

[15:12:58]

Nicias:

thanks for your help.

[15:13:09]

Nicias:

I try and not be the idiot who has problems like this :)

[15:14:35]

Dagmar:

It's going to _schedule_ recordings no matter what

[15:14:57]

Nicias:

I don't have "record new & delete old" set.

[15:15:01]

Dagmar:

Whether or not it will actually record one is (afaik) up to whether or not it has the space for it, or if it can/should free up the space for it

[15:15:30]

Dagmar:

If you told it not to then it'll probably just record six of 'em and stop.

[15:15:42]

Nicias:

that's what it does for my other rules.

[15:15:45]

Nicias:

it's what I want.

[15:16:01]

Nicias:

combined FE/BE and want to keep it quiet.

[15:19:03]

Nicias:

well, mostly.

[15:19:09]

Nicias:

some shows it records a new one a week.

[15:19:15]

Nicias:

and expires the old.

[15:20:53]

Nicias:

hmm.

[15:20:55]

Nicias:

this is strange.

[15:21:18]

Nicias:

oh. the dup method was wrong.

[15:22:01]

Nicias:

yup

[15:22:05]

Nicias:

it's scheduling them.

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Nicias:

ok.

[15:23:02]

Nicias:

so I wasn't just stupid.

[15:23:06]

Nicias:

it is broken somehow.

[15:25:11]

Nicias:

any suggestions? Now that we know that I'm not an idiot?

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sid3windr:

the one does not preclude the other :p

[15:32:12]

Nicias:

harharhar.

[15:32:20]

Nicias:

any suggestions?

[15:32:33]

Nicias:

It still sees 0 recordings.

[15:33:02]

psymin:

eep .. a medium transcode still has a file that is 7 gigs for one hour .. heh

[15:33:20]

Nicias:

despite there actually being 9 recordings.

[15:33:33]

EvilGuru:

Do I want to disable deinterlacing if I am using my graphics cards TV out?

[15:34:07]

Nicias:

hmm.

[15:34:15]

Nicias:

does editing the rule reset the count?

[15:34:45]

Nicias:

when checking how many episodes does it think "how many episodes have I recorded with this rule?"

[15:35:07]

Nicias:

or "how many episodes of this title are stored now?"

[15:35:12]

Nicias:

does anyone know?

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directhex|bsp:

EvilGuru, no

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maroi_:

can someone with a mythtv-box tell me how fast switching between channels is?

[15:37:25]

Nicias:

3 seconds.

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EvilGuru:

So the default CPU+ profile will be fine

[15:37:31]

Nicias:

but you will stop doing it.

[15:37:50]

Nicias:

Should I take this question to #mythtv?

[15:38:36]

maroi_:

are you asking me? if yes, no.

[15:38:51]

directhex|bsp:

Nicias, you have a development question?

[15:38:51]

Nicias:

no I wasn't.

[15:39:00]

clever:

ASSERT failure in QWidget: "Widgets must be created in the GUI thread.", file kernel/qwidget.cpp, line 951

[15:39:03]

clever:

yay

[15:39:07]

clever:

finaly caught an assert in gdb!

[15:39:21]

Nicias:

I have a question about why my schedule isn't doing what it seems like it should.

[15:39:24]

clever:

who wants a backtrace!

[15:39:31]

directhex|bsp:

clever, mythtv with qt4 in "qt4 related bugs" shocker

[15:39:50]

clever:

directhex|bsp: i know that its alot more unstable now:P

[15:39:58]

clever:

but my bt should help fix that

[15:40:03]

EvilGuru:

Also, I have another system which I want to use as a front-end sometimes, that is reasonably powerful (Q6600, 7950GX2) I presume 'high quality' is what I want?

[15:40:28]

directhex|bsp:

EvilGuru, you can modify these profiles, you know

[15:41:02]

EvilGuru:

I have seen that, but only bumped the number of cores to use up

[15:41:17]

clever:

directhex|bsp: http://pastebin.ca/967636

[15:41:44]

clever:

directhex|bsp: think i should file a ticket for that?

[15:41:57]

directhex|bsp:

clever, if you like

[15:42:06]

psymin:

Hmm .. can I change my transcoding settings using mythweb .. or the command line? :)

[15:42:23]

clever:

you can change anything from the cli mysql client

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clever:

if you know the db layout

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psymin:

gulp

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Nicias:

Dagmar, No suggestions?

[15:45:36]

Dagmar:

Being htat you didn't explain any symptoms? I can only guess a head injury.

[15:46:02]

clever:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5108

[15:46:03]

Nicias:

I'll explain

[15:46:13]

Nicias:

It ignores "max recordings"

[15:46:25]

Nicias:

My rule is set to record new episodes.

[15:46:30]

Nicias:

but only keep 7

[15:46:36]

Nicias:

it just keeps recording more.

[15:46:56]

Nicias:

the logs seem to say that it thinks it has 0.

[15:47:07]

Nicias:

but mythweb agrees that it has 9.

[15:47:18]

Nicias:

recreating the rule didn't help

[15:47:27]

Nicias:

In fact it made it worse.

[15:47:38]

Nicias:

before the logs said there were 2 episodes.

[15:47:42]

Nicias:

now it says 0.

[15:48:06]

Nicias:

my thought is that maybe it only counts episodes that it has recorded with that rule.

[15:48:13]

Nicias:

and not episodes that match that title.

[15:54:21]

Nicias:

guess not.

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Dagmar:

Unless you're _sure_ you know exactly what the log entries are trying to say, ignore the logs.

[15:56:14]

Nicias:

ok.

[15:56:15]

Dagmar:

Pay attention to what the thing _does_.

[15:56:23]

Nicias:

So this is what it does.

[15:56:28]

Nicias:

It records more than 7.

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Nicias:

I told it to only record 7.

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Dagmar:

So file a bug report.

[15:57:04]

Nicias:

hmm.

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Dagmar:

Bug don't get fixed unless people report them in trac.

[15:57:07]

Dagmar:

This channel is not trac.

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AndyCap:

Ooh, irc->trac interface. every whine gets logged as a bug. :)

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Dagmar:

ijl would fly to your house and kill you for that.

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Dagmar:

...if justin didn't beat him to you.

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Dagmar:

Hhe

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justinh:

I couldn't care less anymore tbh

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justinh:

let the whiners whine. it's not gonna change a single thing

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Nicias:

Ok.

[16:08:48]

Nicias:

If I wanted to submit a bug. I should make sure it's doing what I think it is.

[16:09:08]

Nicias:

How could I find out what the logic is of the maxepisodes count?

[16:09:38]

justinh:

should be counting shows of the same name

[16:09:44]

Nicias:

it doesn't

[16:09:56]

Nicias:

it seems to count shows that were recorded with that rule.

[16:10:01]

justinh:

you've not by any chance disabled autoexpire have you?

[16:10:10]

Dagmar:

Ah but there's the rub

[16:10:10]

Nicias:

I have.

[16:10:16]

justinh:

well duh!

[16:10:19]

Nicias:

ah.

[16:10:21]

Dagmar:

He's probably the _one_ guy who actually expects it to _stop_ when the bucket is full.

[16:10:29]

Nicias:

it does!

[16:10:32]

Nicias:

for all the other rules

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Dagmar:

What, you have *all* your rules refusing to record new shows when they've recorded the max you set?

[16:11:05]

Nicias:

yeah.

[16:11:12]

Nicias:

well.

[16:11:13]

Nicias:

no.

[16:11:18]

Nicias:

just stuff that is only in reruns.

[16:11:42]

justinh:

that's generally dictated by the grabber – stuff marked as 'new'

[16:11:49]

Dagmar:

See, most people would just set them to be a lower priority and let the oldest recorded expire

[16:12:20]

justinh:

IME the grabber is often wrong – and that borks a lot of record rules

[16:12:31]

Nicias:

the problem with that is then my machine is all but constantly recording MASH for example.

[16:12:45]

Nicias:

I make this decision manually on a per-show basis.

[16:12:50]

justinh:

not that it's a huge inconvenience – I'd much rather it record too many episodes than too few

[16:13:00]

Nicias:

Maybe.

[16:14:28]

Nicias:

Ok.

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justinh:

the way things are now, using the duplicate checking stuff – if as much as one char is different the listing is classified as never seen before depending on whether it's using the description (which often varies wildly anyway, even between one channel & it's 60 minute offset partner '+1' channel) or the subtitle (again – often wrong)

[16:14:47]

Nicias:

ah.

[16:14:56]

Nicias:

but this isn't about duplicate checking.

[16:15:14]

Nicias:

It should record "nothing" if there are 7 epsodes.

[16:15:21]

justinh:

at worst I think you've found an edge case somehow

[16:15:21]

Nicias:

but it keeps recording.

[16:15:34]

justinh:

at best – user error

[16:15:46]

Nicias:

I think it only counts the number of episodes it has recorded with that rule.

[16:16:24]

justinh:

is there more than one recording rule at play then?

[16:16:27]

Nicias:

no.

[16:16:35]

Nicias:

but at some point I imported a couple shows.

[16:17:05]

Nicias:

and in attempts to fix this. I have deleted and recreated the rule.

[16:17:33]

Nicias:

which resets the number of episodes (according to the log) to 0.

[16:17:47]

justinh:

were the shows you imported the same as the ones you want a max of 7 to exist for?

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Nicias:

yes

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Nicias:

everything works fine, except for two shows.

[16:18:19]

Nicias:

one that I imported, and then deleted the rule and recreated.

[16:18:32]

justinh:

that might be the answer then – not that I have any idea how

[16:18:36]

Nicias:

and a second that I forced into the same behavior by deleted and recreating the rule.

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Nicias:

my theory is that

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Nicias:

I think it only counts the number of episodes it has recorded with that rule.

[16:19:06]

justinh:

maybe

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justinh:

so when does it eventually stop?

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Nicias:

I don't know.

[16:19:23]

justinh:

when it's recorded 7 shows with the rule?

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Nicias:

It may stop

[16:19:31]

Nicias:

there.

[16:19:37]

Nicias:

there is only one episode a day.

[16:19:48]

Nicias:

and it was up to 9 today.

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justinh:

so you'd effectively end up with 7 plus whatever you'd imported

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Nicias:

yeah.

[16:19:57]

Nicias:

that's my theory.

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Nicias:

so I've set it to 5.

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Nicias:

(but that reset the count to 0.)

[16:20:24]

Nicias:

so I deleted everything but the 2

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justinh:

importing shows is kind of edge-case-ish

[16:20:29]

Nicias:

(first and last episode)

[16:20:42]

Nicias:

If this works. I'm fine with the workaround.

[16:21:02]

Nicias:

but 5 more episodes takes us until next wendesday :)

[16:21:07]

Nicias:

so I will know in a week.

[16:21:17]

justinh:

the shows you imported – are the chanid & stuff set for them?

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Nicias:

yeah.

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Nicias:

for reasons I don't even remember, I exported, deleted and imported them.

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Nicias:

I think I can recreate the error however, by deleting and recreating the rule.

[16:27:26]

Nicias:

oh.

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Nicias:

I was right.

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Nicias:

ok.

[16:33:36]

Nicias:

Someone else filled this bug already.

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ajh:

sigh, well it seems remotes around here go from $15 and useless, to $150.

[16:34:28]

Nicias:

how can I tell which version has it?

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Nicias:

oh, damn.

[16:35:29]

Nicias:

the bug the filled was to add this behavior.

[16:35:37]

Nicias:

damn.

[16:35:40]

Nicias:

its a feature.

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Dagmar:

w00t!

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Nicias:

what?

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Dagmar:

Features, for the win!

[16:46:25]

Nicias:

I wish there were a way to switch this behavior.

[16:47:00]

Nicias:

seems to me like this change was for the worst.

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Nicias:

guess this sortof is a dev question.

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Dagmar:

justin: By the way, I saw the news. *Love* the upgrade ya'll did to Big Ben.

[16:53:27]

Dagmar:

It's about time that old pile of junk got an update.

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AndyCap:

Dagmar: what did they do? Install a tesla coil?

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ajh:

anyone know offhand where the channel icons are stored? Got a pile missing that're easy to get, just need to put them in :) or a page describing how to do this.

[16:59:38]

fryfrog:

ajh: i think there is a bit o' help on the wiki or in docs for channel icons

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ajh:

the Channel_icons page is a little.. brief... "you can do this, but we're not going to tell you how"

[16:59:45]

fryfrog:

if you are using data direct, i think you can just fetch em?

[16:59:54]

fryfrog:

with mythfill

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fryfrog:

database

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ajh:

for some of them, I need to grab them from lyngsat

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fryfrog:

it has been a while though :?

[17:00:05]

fryfrog:

ah, i see

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ajh:

should be able to trivially with wget, but having a .myicons or something would be nice... but the page just doesn't say what to do.

[17:00:56]

nubae:

I was wondering if anyone has worked with mythtv and imagenio (spanish set top digital tv box)

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ajh:

though if someone knows, then we can link that page on the wiki to the how-to for them

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UglyBOB:

hi, i just unzipped mythtv, but there's no exe to run... lol

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nubae:

imagenio seems like a very complete digital tv solution so would be really nice to implement into mythtv, but havent found abnything on the net

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nubae:

mythtv=!windows

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UglyBOB:

no windows version????

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nubae:

thank god no

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directhex:

O RLY?

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UglyBOB:

grmbl

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UglyBOB:

is there no free tv-tuner solution for windows users??

[17:06:24]

UglyBOB:

:(

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directhex:

http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/g . . . tv-win32.JPG

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directhex:

UglyBOB, a few. gb-pvr and mediaportal are popular

[17:07:13]

UglyBOB:

tx directhex, ill have a look

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nubae:

windows is not free, I would move to a free OS instead

[17:07:29]

directhex:

nubae, but why worry, when there's mythtv for it? :)

[17:07:40]

nubae:

mythbuntu is a good complete solution actually

[17:07:43]

iamlindoro_:

I hate to turn this into a meme, but....

[17:07:47]

iamlindoro_:

this will end in tears

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odz:

Is there any tweaks i can do to improve channel changing time? it currently takes 4–6+ seconds to switch the channel :(

[17:08:24]

iamlindoro_:

narp

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directhex:

iamlindoro, what will? UglyBOB, or mythtv-win32?

[17:08:56]

ajh:

yeah, the wiki doesn't seem to, at least with the obvious searches, explain the channel icon addition process.

[17:09:04]

ajh:

are they in the db or are there filesystem files somewhere?

[17:09:15]

directhex:

ajh, they're on the file system, and the link is in the DB

[17:09:57]

ajh:

so adding a column to the mythweb channel editor for icon name and it's made trivial?

[17:09:58]

UglyBOB:

mythtv-win32 ?

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iamlindoro_:

directhex: Am just getting an immediate vibe of "UglyBOB's big Win32 MythTV adventure" ending in tears. Especially vis-a-vis expecting there to be an EXE/Installer/MSI/etc.

[17:10:08]

PatrickDK:

how are the channel icons used? are they sent from the backend?

[17:10:16]

PatrickDK:

cause it looks like it's in the frontend dir

[17:10:22]

PatrickDK:

so each frontend would need it's own copy :(

[17:10:33]

ajh:

but they're configured in the backend.

[17:10:41]

directhex:

iamlindoro, just because it took someone with years of experience 2 days to build it, and it still crashes at a moment's notice, doesn't make it bad!

[17:10:50]

iamlindoro_:

UglyBOB: It's an utterly experimental build and you will need to compile yourself.

[17:11:01]

iamlindoro_:

directhex: exactly ;)

[17:11:04]

directhex:

requires: 3 gig of space and about 4 hours to build

[17:11:10]

xris:

ajh: they're in the filesystem... which means that your apache user needs to have write access to the directory they're stored in.

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ajh:

xris, oh I was just thinking of copying them in by hand, but can I just copy them in wherever they're stored and then use some other process to assign them?

[17:12:04]

PatrickDK:

ah, they are stored in the userdir of the user that runs the backend

[17:12:36]

xris:

ajh: easier to just use the tool built into mythtv-setup to grab them automatically

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ajh:

from lyngsat?

[17:13:03]

ajh:

(ah, found where they're stored)

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directhex:

xris, the tool sorta sucks. it had epic fail on half my channels

[17:13:31]

UglyBOB:

media portal keeps detecting DIGITAL capture device instead of ANALOG capture device

[17:13:32]

UglyBOB:

:(

[17:13:39]

ajh:

Just being cable to copy them into that dir, knowing what the size parameters etc are, and how to assign them would be nice additions to the Channel_icons wiki page :)

[17:13:45]

UglyBOB:

and GB-PVR doesn't detect my card at all

[17:13:47]

xris:

directhex: ah. yeah, I'm still using the perl one I wrote to test the system. that one should still work pretty well

[17:13:59]

xris:

ajh: it's just a string field in the db with the path.

[17:14:22]

ajh:

xris, ok, but where in the docs can I learn this :)

[17:14:55]

xris:

I doubt it's in the docs since it's a "developer" thing... the user tools are there for normal usage of the toolkset

[17:14:57]

xris:

toolset

[17:15:20]

ajh:

did you read the user page?

[17:15:28]

ajh:

It says 'you can grab them from Here'

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ajh:

but then nothing on what to do next.

[17:16:23]

ajh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Channel_icons

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ajh:

oh, anyone know why mythbuntu locks up if you're changing the auto-login user?

[17:18:43]

Dagmar:

That would be a #MythBuntu question

[17:19:05]

iamlindoro_:

You could always use the channel icons perl script in contrib, I still use that

[17:19:07]

Dagmar:

...or an #Ubuntu question, but they might well direct you to #Mytbuntu, or drool on themselves.

[17:19:35]

Dagmar:

GNOME is pretty nice, but GDM only seems to remain in varying states of "severely fucked up"

[17:19:41]

ajh:

iamlindoro, what would that be called? (so I can search for it)

[17:20:03]

ajh:

Dagmar, heh I blame mkp, he's not fond of it. :)

[17:20:06]

** Dagmar wonders how lazy lazy gets **

[17:20:14]

iamlindoro_:

ajh: just go into the icons directory in contrib...

[17:20:25]

PatrickDK:

dunno, the auto-login for me works just fine and doesn't crash

[17:20:55]

ajh:

iamlindoro, the problem is I'm using the packaged version, not a source version so the layout isn't exactly intuitive.

[17:21:00]

Dagmar:

PatrickDK: Trust me, all you have to do is change a teeny revision with GDM and you'll maybe lose the old bug, but only in exchange for a newer, more bizarre bug.

[17:21:08]

iamlindoro_:

so check out the source

[17:21:12]

Dagmar:

ajh: So get the source.

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Dagmar:

It's not like you have to compile a perl script.

[17:21:24]

PatrickDK:

ya, I dislike gdm

[17:21:29]

Dagmar:

If they didn't build the perl bindings, you need to submit a bug report.

[17:21:32]

PatrickDK:

I don't use it on my non-mythbuntu box's

[17:21:37]

Dagmar:

...to MythBuntu, mind you

[17:21:44]

ajh:

but if it's already here, pulling the entire source to find a single file?

[17:22:00]

directhex:

#ubuntu-mythtv

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** iamlindoro_ now officially regrets helping **

[17:22:19]

Dagmar:

patrickDK: I use it because I need it for a particular thing, but that doesn't mean I'm amused by it's latest antic... doing a double-free, pissing off glibc, and spooling a big object dump to the screen at reboot time

[17:22:42]

iamlindoro_:

In the time you've spent arguing you could have browsed the source at svn.mythtv.org, figured out the filename, and run it already

[17:22:55]

ajh:

iamlindoro, I'm playing user, of course I can pull the source to do it, but it's kinda hard for your 'average user' to be answered like that.

[17:23:11]

iamlindoro_:

who gives a fuck??

[17:23:18]

iamlindoro_:

If you can do it, fucking DO it

[17:23:33]

ajh:

So far nothing I've seen gives me something I could put on the wiki so someone in the future doesn't have to ask.

[17:23:35]

iamlindoro_:

AFAIK *you* are the one asking for help right now

[17:23:50]

iamlindoro_:

!trout ajh

[17:23:50]

** MythLogBot slaps ajh with a trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... **

[17:24:21]

ajh:

If I have the question, then so will others, isn't that the point of building up the docs?

[17:26:18]

Dagmar:

So write it up

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Dagmar:

'cuz all these people you're fussing at have probably done at least 1000+ words in the wiki.

[17:27:33]

Dagmar:

We just figure most people should be able to find and run a perl script without changing bibs.

[17:27:47]

Dagmar:

Oh yes, and it's actually mentioned in the docs already.

[17:28:02]

ajh:

Where? I'll link the wiki page to it.

[17:28:55]

ajh:

oh, old revisions of the wiki page includes a lot more.

[17:29:02]

iamlindoro_:

You were just telling us that you could check out the source and figure it out, but it was for the benefit of others-- so check out the source, find out yourself, and write up what you like

[17:29:46]

iamlindoro_:

'cause right now you're sounding awfully helpless-- I'm not going to do all the leg for for you, especially when all that involves is browsing through the source, as I've already told you where it is. Meet us halfway fer crissakes

[17:31:25]

ajh:

Well, it used to be in the wiki, but was removed.

[17:31:39]

iamlindoro_:

because the functionality was moved into mythtv-setup

[17:31:53]

iamlindoro_:

The wiki as it is right now is 100% correct.

[17:32:08]

ajh:

Not 100%, it still doesn't say where to put them.

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ajh:

Guess I'll experiment and fix.

[17:32:42]

iamlindoro_:

once again, mythtv-setup handles it *for* you now, there is no "putting" them anywhere

[17:32:54]

ajh:

it says download them from lyngsat

[17:33:07]

iamlindoro_:

for reference, they go the same place they always have, in .mythtv

[17:33:35]

iamlindoro_:

Just like every other similar thumbnail, icon, etc.

[17:33:47]

ajh:

that's not obvious though.

[17:33:50]

ajh:

it really isn't.

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iamlindoro_:

ffs, please stop talking, experiment all you like, but you are just being infuriating

[17:34:24]

ajh:

it's badly documented, this is the result.

[17:35:11]

iamlindoro_:

It's nobody in this rooms fault that you're unable to browse to a directory yourself and that you expect to be spoonfed everything

[17:35:41]

iamlindoro_:

I told you where to find the script, next to which lives a readme that would have told you everything you've asked about, but you just couldn't be bothered

[17:36:11]

ajh:

no, the only reason I said anything more was the attitude.

[17:36:59]

iamlindoro_:

Well then, feel free to go fuck yourself, you've managed to piss off most of the major contributors to this room, good luck ever getting help again, have a nice day.

[17:37:23]

ajh:

You're clearly mis-understanding what I've been trying to say.

[17:38:28]

ajh:

I'm sorry, I probably didn't state things as well as I should have either. :(

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ajh:

Well, I guess nobody tested .21 with adding icons, because selecting them in mythtv-setup crashes it.

[17:49:50]

iamlindoro_:

only on your box

[17:50:00]

iamlindoro_:

not on mine

[17:51:04]

ajh:

putting it in by hand in the channel editor did work, searching then choosing it locked things.

[17:51:10]

nubae:

so does anyone kow anything about imagenio and myth tv usage?

[17:59:47]

nubae:

no one?

[18:00:44]

iamlindoro:

nubae: Doesn't sound like anyone's ever tried-- you might look at the wiki article on the french freebo setup, sounds like it might be similar, since Google implies imagineo is an IPTV service

[18:00:51]

iamlindoro:

er freebox

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Deek:

I like freebo better.

[18:03:39]

iamlindoro:

indeed, I was thinking the same

[18:04:41]

Deek:

( & Zooty?)

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dustybin:

iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -dport 25 -m string --string "penis enlargment" -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset <--- put a end to spam.

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nubae:

any link?

[18:22:11]

nubae:

got stuff in french from google

[18:22:19]

iamlindoro:

nubae: search "freebox" in the mythtv wiki, like I said

[18:22:37]

iamlindoro:

wiki.mythtv.org

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Dagmar:

dustybin: I so f**king wish it were that simple

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dustybin:

Dagmar: it is, trust me

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Dagmar:

So, you just started using the intertubes last month, did you?

[18:36:07]

Dagmar:

I used to stop spam by *destroying the server of origin* and letting the sender know which address he shouldn't spam again if he'd like to keep his next one up.

[18:36:14]

Dagmar:

Trust me, it's not just that simple.

[18:40:47]

Deek:

My first spam was *the* first spam. :)

[18:40:48]

Dagmar:

...and if you think that's extreme, in public forums I've said outright "You realize, if we were to kill as few as a dozen people, the volume of spam on the Internet would drop by half, overnight."

[18:41:09]

Dagmar:

...which is sinister because it's both factually correct, and economically feasible.

[18:41:49]

Deek:

more than half, if the latest figures are to be believed.

[18:42:45]

dustybin:

LOL

[18:43:12]

Deek:

Something like 75% of spam now originates from one of six botnet swarms.

[18:43:54]

dustybin:

isnt it about time the email protocol was changed / updated ?

[18:44:17]

Dagmar:

To what which would not immediately require a markedly more expensive infrastructure?

[18:44:52]

Dagmar:

One would think that requiring cryptographically signed email would work, but so far no one much seems interested in going that route.

[18:46:35]

Deek:

dustybin: people just need to use the mechanisms that already exist.

[18:46:41]

dustybin:

thats because the governments and other organizations sniff the worlds email

[18:47:31]

dustybin:

</conspiracy.theory>

[18:47:57]

LonEagle:

heh how do you figure out which version of myth you're running

[18:48:43]

dustybin:

LonEagle: what distro

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jams:

mythfrontend --version

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Deek:

For example, if half of sites did SPF lookups and RHS blacklisting, received spam would be cut significantly.

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LonEagle:

woah that's quite old

[18:49:58]

LonEagle:

.19

[18:51:07]

AndyCap:

Dagmar: http://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt

[18:52:14]

GreyFoxx:

Deek: The problem is that the VAST majority of domains have no SPF records, nor desire to update them when IP's change. So you are stuck. Party A wants spam filters, BUT doesn't want any of the pain of moving to require SPF's which will cause them to loose email

[18:52:50]

GreyFoxx:

We fine that greylisting, spamassasin (user configurable threshold level) and a few blacklists catch most of it. Especially grey listing

[18:53:58]

Dagmar:

AndyCap: Actually, at the time I was doing it, I made pretty good progress cutting down the amount of spam I got through sheer wanton destructive energy.

[18:54:44]

Dagmar:

AndyCap: Spammers are at least bright enough to know that if someone wipes out their mail server, they might well do it again and that makes it hard for them to spam.

[18:54:46]

Deek:

GreyFoxx: Sure, but for those sites that do publish SPF records, forged mail can be completely stopped.

[18:55:46]

Deek:

Dagmar: That stopped working when the senders stopped being the spammers.

[18:55:46]

Dagmar:

The volume of shit that hits my Gmail account tho--I'd have to grow four extra arms and stop sleeping entirely.

[18:55:47]

GreyFoxx:

Deek: That still doesn't avoid the problem of "I Lost $$$ dollars and business because you filtered out an email from XYZ domain because the guy sent it from his home ISP intead of his office! I'm gonna sue/fire you!"

[18:55:54]

Dagmar:

Deek: Exactly.

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GreyFoxx:

Deek: We briefly did as you describe, filtered using SPF records for domains that have them

[18:56:34]

Deek:

GreyFoxx: That problem is null.

[18:56:35]

GreyFoxx:

I was so bombarded with calls it didn't last an hour

[18:56:50]

GreyFoxx:

If I was only dealing with a few hundred mail accounts maybe

[18:57:16]

Dagmar:

Yeah, when you wind up dealing with 10,000 addresses or more, the idea becomes laughable

[18:57:34]

AndyCap:

Problem is null? Haha, google trips over its own feet doing spf.

[18:57:39]

Vantage13:

hi all, I'm looking to connect my myth box to my tv (samsung 1080p) over DVI (used to be s-video to a crt) using the fglrx driver (8.28.8). I'm wondering if someone can point me to some xorg config docs I might be able to use to set this up?

[18:57:40]

Dagmar:

They asked me at work why I didn't want to transfer into the mail group.

[18:57:45]

LonEagle:

should i be building the fixes svn branch or the tarball?

[18:57:48]

Dagmar:

I laughed and told them "There isn't enough money."

[18:58:11]

AndyCap:

i.e. orkut sends invites with spoofed froms. google publishes spf records for gmail. = orkut invites fail.

[18:58:11]

Deek:

No, it's null because the domain admins have the authority to require people use their servers to represent them.

[18:58:25]

Dagmar:

There's "putting out fires" and there's "riding an asbestos carpet across a sea of raging hate"

[18:59:40]

Deek:

AndyCap: that's what rewriting is for.

[18:59:55]

Vantage13:

specifically, I'm wondering what modeline I should be using...

[19:00:20]

Dagmar:

Vantage: Check the wiki

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Dagmar:

It's quite documented.

[19:00:37]

Vantage13:

which one? url?

[19:00:44]

Dagmar:

The MythTV Wiki

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iamlindoro:

plus, ATI+MythTV = sad to be you

[19:01:07]

GreyFoxx:

We host around ~30k domains, around 100k email users, receiving godknows how many emails per day with the vast majority being spam, and thank fully most caught by our system. But on that scale you hit the problem of users sending email to your customers getting filtered regularly because poor SPF records, which means lots of bitching at you because of the other guys mistakes

[19:01:18]

Vantage13:

iamlindoro_: why's that?

[19:01:25]

Vantage13:

Dagmar: thanks

[19:01:25]

GreyFoxx:

And customers do not accept "It's not our failt, it's theirs" very well

[19:01:55]

iamlindoro:

because ATI's drivers are horribly broken for purposes of MythTV and ATI themselves refer to MythTV as an unsupported application in their Readme

[19:02:05]

Deek:

I just punt — "they don't allow it"

[19:02:06]

Yahooadam:

lolz

[19:02:13]

Deek:

(click)

[19:02:18]

Yahooadam:

im using ATI on my frontend here

[19:02:23]

Yahooadam:

it works ... okish

[19:02:39]

GreyFoxx:

Deek: That's easy to tell coworkers or your own company, not to customers who immediately call your boss, sales, etc etc

[19:03:05]

Deek:

What boss? :)

[19:03:39]

GreyFoxx:

Everyone ultimately has a boss. And as much as it sickens me, eventually your ultimate boss is the customer who pays you

[19:03:53]

Deek:

I'd tell _him_ the same thing.

[19:04:14]

Deek:

Company X does not want us to receive it.

[19:04:28]

Deek:

Thus we don't.

[19:04:32]

GreyFoxx:

And that's great, but I have better things to do than deal with all of the calls, frustions and irrate emails it generates :)

[19:04:40]

GreyFoxx:

So, SPF filtering = no :)

[19:04:48]

Deek:

If we do, we open ourselves to liability from THEM.

[19:05:07]

GreyFoxx:

Half the people who have tried to help fix their SPF have said "What's an SPF record?" :)

[19:06:53]

GreyFoxx:

of course SPF records doesn't stop joes infected laptop being used as a spam source through the listed spf allowed IP's, but that's another problem

[19:06:53]

Deek:

were you talking to the mail group or the DNS group? :)

[19:07:06]

LonEagle:

hey does anyone know if you can check out svn on top of the tarball to save time?

[19:07:13]

GreyFoxx:

LonEagle: No you can't

[19:07:27]

GreyFoxx:

the tarball doesn't have any of the svn info it would need to do that

[19:07:54]

LonEagle:

ah so it didn't get packed in with the tarball.

[19:08:09]

GreyFoxx:

nope

[19:08:49]

LonEagle:

but checking out the release-021-fixes is better than using the tarball

[19:08:55]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[19:09:03]

GreyFoxx:

lots of fixes in the -fixes branch :)

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LonEagle:

but it's still stable code

[19:09:41]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[19:09:59]

LonEagle:

good deal.

[19:10:15]

LonEagle:

is it going to be able to handle a database upgrade from .19?

[19:10:37]

GreyFoxx:

it should yeah, but as of 0.21 MySQL 5 is required, so as long as you have that it should be fine

[19:10:45]

dustybin:

if anyone is in the UK and wants to watch a bit of comedy, record this: The Apprentice 1 – BBC ONE Wed Apr 2, 2008 (09:00 PM)

[19:10:48]

LonEagle:

i do. dapper has it

[19:10:48]

GreyFoxx:

If you are using something earlier it might barf

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LonEagle:

nope

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tanner:

what would have a more profound effect on video quality with h264, bitrate? or bframes? or?

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directhex:

tanner, an entire fruit salad of settings. bitrate is but one

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** tjcarter eats directhex's fruit salad **

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tjcarter:

*burp*

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directhex:

om nom nom nom

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iamlindoro_:

Mwaaaahahahah, anyone see the top story on /.??

[19:51:57]

iamlindoro_:

Someone wrote a *book* called "A Practical Guide to Ubuntu Linux?"

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iamlindoro_:

I could have written that in a since URL!

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iamlindoro_:

er single

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/

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iamlindoro_:

Where's my check?

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** psymin sends iamlindoro_ a check for -$20 **

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EvilGuru:

iamlindoro_: Same place as my tax disk ;)

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mkrufky:

they write books now explaining how to push the 'on' button?

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mkrufky:

hardy is awesome, btw

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xand:

my mythtv recordings might be more... on time if I install ntp x.x

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: Have it running on one of my boxes here-- It seems ok, don't think I've dug deep enough to see much difference yet, though

[19:54:57]

mkrufky:

i like the improvements to pidgen, ff3 is hot

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mkrufky:

there are a few bugs w/ regards to multimonitor display configuration, but i have my older xorg.conf and it works just fine

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mkrufky:

i cant be too critical, knowing its not released yet

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mkrufky:

brb

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FinnTux:

I just tested skype on mu lenovo v100 and hardy. didn't work :(

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FinnTux:

my*

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FinnTux:

must be pulseaudio...

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FinnTux:

other than that it looks good. being LTS version and all

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ajh:

I understand 0.21 stores in .mpg vs .nuv now? does that mean nuvexport is depricated and you should just write your transcode command lines as if they were plain mpeg2?

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directhex:

ajh, what's your input type?

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ajh:

dvb-s

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directhex:

yes, you have raw mpeg-ts

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ajh:

ok, thanks.

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Yahooadam:

sigh, mythtv keeps saying "You should have gotten a channel lock by now ...." on my dvb-t tuner, even though it tuned fine

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Agrajag-:

does femon say HAS_LOCK ?

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Yahooadam:

femon?

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Agrajag-:

part of dvb utils

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Yahooadam:

ah, i see

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Yahooadam:

FE_HAS_LOCK

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Agrajag-:

perhaps it's taking just a little too long to get the lock, and mythtv pops up the message just as it does get it?

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Yahooadam:

could be

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Yahooadam:

oh crud, dvb is source #1 not 2

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Yahooadam:

gahhh

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neztit2:

hi guys – anyone here can let me know how to confige my backend

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Yahooadam:

mythtv-setup ?

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neztit2:

Yahooadam: yes

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neztit2:

Yahooadam: i am new with mythtv – pls help me start with it man :-*

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neztit2:

Yahooadam: i help u to help me with pics

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Yahooadam:

if you have a specific question, sure, but i cant setup mythtv for you

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psymin:

neztit2: Which distro are you on?

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neztit2:

Yahooadam: why i cant scan channels ? my card is twinhan1020a

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neztit2:

gutsy 7.10

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neztit2:

psymin: hi i am again here man

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neztit2:

Yahooadam: my ver. is .21

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psymin:

neztit2: here is a page that talks about setting up .20 on gutsy 7.10 I think http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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psymin:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Gutsy

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Yahooadam:

neztit2 – are you using mythbuntu?

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Yahooadam:

is this a combined backend and frontend?

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neztit2:

http://www.vip32.org/uploads/images/vip32-73fa671547.png

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neztit2:

Yahooadam: no – its mythtv 0.21 fixed

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neztit2:

Yahooadam: see the pic http://www.vip32.org/uploads/images/vip32-73fa671547.png

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Yahooadam:

have you followed some sort of guide to get your tuner working?

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ajh:

does anyone happen to know what the cpu load difference between recording two on a multiplex vs 2 from 2 dvb inputs might be?

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neztit2:

Yahooadam: i have 2 ubuntu gutsy installed with my machine – the first one mythtv works fine – i scaned all the channels and watching all the day there – but the second one i cant get to scan channels

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Yahooadam:

ajh – would there be a difference?

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Yahooadam:

dvb recording is basically like copying a file to your HDD, whether that comes from 2 different cards or the same one, i dunno what difference that would make

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Yahooadam:

neztit2 – at a rough guess from the messages, you either dont have enough privileges for the device, or something is up with your drivers (at a guess)

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neztit2:

Yahooadam: really i dont know how to fix the problem

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neztit2:

Yahooadam: did u saw the pis

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neztit2:

pic

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Yahooadam:

i have no ideas on the card (nor could i see it in the mythtv wiki)

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Yahooadam:

does the card work out the box with ubuntu? or did you follow a guide to get it working

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neztit2:

Yahooadam: i told you that it works fine on the first ubuntu with vdr and mythtv and kaffeine

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neztit2:

Yahooadam: see this http://pastebin.com/m3a21d01f

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Yahooadam:

what do you mean "first" ubuntu?

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neztit2:

Yahooadam: i have 2 ubuntu gutsy installed om my pc – mythtv works fine with one and i have problem with the other one

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Yahooadam:

dualboot?

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neztit2:

Yahooadam: yes

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Yahooadam:

have you only just installed them both?

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Yahooadam:

or is the 1st one an old install?

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neztit2:

Yahooadam: did you understood???

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neztit2:

Yahooadam: no no – i have 3 os installed on my pc 1 xp and 2 ubuntu

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Yahooadam:

Simply put, i dont think youve installed the drivers for the card in your "Current" gutsy install

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neztit2:

Yahooadam: i have 2 os linux installed on my pc

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Yahooadam:

the "Older" install of gutsy that works, you may well have, or added other packages that make it work

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neztit2:

Yahooadam: it works fine with VDR 1.5.17

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neztit2:

and kaffeine

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wibbit_:

Hi all, got a question, that is slightly off topic, but related to media :)

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Yahooadam:

ok, neztit2, then check your card setup in mythtv-setup, that could be set wrong

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wibbit_:

I'm looking at my options to get sound, and I'm considering a set of speakers to use, that would accept spdif (optical) as a source from the PC.

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wibbit_:

Does any one have any recommendations?

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Yahooadam:

cry in the corner? :p

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wibbit_:

I'd probably go up to a couple of hundred Â£ for them

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Yahooadam:

i think some of the creative ones might accept it

[21:02:25]

Yahooadam:

i personally use a "Reciever" (ie, an amplifier) and a pair of decent speakers

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wibbit_:

Yahooadam: I'm fairly certain I saw a set of creative speakers/sub/amp that accept optical spdif, but i have no idea what sort of quality they offer

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neztit2:

Yahooadam: http://pastebin.com/mb3d6fda

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Yahooadam:

i cant suggest alot to you, i havent seen many PC speakers that actually accept spidf

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wibbit_:

Hmmm, what sort of price would I be looking at to get an amp and a set of decent speakers, ideally surround

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iamlindoro_:

neztit2: We do no support anyone running SoftCAM in here

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Yahooadam:

what country are you in wibbit_ ?

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wibbit_:

UK

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neztit2:

iamlindoro sorry man

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iamlindoro_:

neztit2: Don't be sorry to me, we just can't give you any help in here because of that

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AndyCap:

wibbit_: logitech 5xxx accept spdif iirc.

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wibbit_:

AndyCap: Do you know if they are any good?

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Yahooadam:

wibbit_ – i use something like these

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Yahooadam:

http://www.richersounds.com/productlist.php?c . . . =AVRECEIVERS

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AndyCap:

wibbit_: couldn't really tell you. just read a favorable review of them http://lovesunix.net/blog/?p=200

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Yahooadam:

then u can spend whatever you want on speakers, and get however many of them

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wibbit_:

AndyCap: I'm assuming that if they accept spdif, then they'd have to have onboard decoders for what ever audio formats they require

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wibbit_:

require/support

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wibbit_:

Yahooadam: Why would the amp have video inputs?

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Yahooadam:

beacause they are ment to connect multiple sources to a tv

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AndyCap:

wibbit_: yeah, you can get the manual from logitech. z-5500 has dts and dd.

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Yahooadam:

so when you switch from say, tv to sky, it changes the video and the audio

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AndyCap:

though unless you have a small apartement a regular receiver and speakers is probably better value for money. I dunno.

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wibbit_:

I'm also looking at Creative, but to be honest, the fact that their "technical specifications" contain a few lines and that's it, doesn't fill me with confidence about them :)

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wibbit_:

Yahooadam: So, I would have both the audio and video plugged in to the "amp", and then the TV/Speakers plugged in to the amp, and use that as the central router?

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Yahooadam:

if it were a home cinema setup, yes

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wibbit_:

AndyCap: The living room is about 5M/6M

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wibbit_:

Yahooadam: didn't realise that

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Yahooadam:

in your case, you would just ignore the video inputs, they are irrelevent

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wibbit_:

Always assumed it was audio :)

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Yahooadam:

well, unless the amp has the right connectors for all your equipment

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Yahooadam:

and the cheap ones (ie, <Â£200) dont do things like hdmi, component or even scart

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Yahooadam:

depends what you buy, mine all uses composite, but i dont use it for video

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AndyCap:

composite is only good for vhs and laserdisc. :P

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wibbit_:

Well I have a nice 42" Toshiba LCD, so I'd rather stick with reasonable quality

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wibbit_:

I may go with some thing like the Logitech's, the amp would probably be the "best" solution, but I don't think I'm really in a position to make best use of it's abilities

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Yahooadam:

as i said, dont bother with the video if you dont want to

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Yahooadam:

its probably crap quality anyway

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AndyCap:

and video is probably a hassle if you have several source types like hdmi, svideo and component.

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dustybin:

video is great with vga > rgb scart :P

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wibbit_:

AndyCap: Eeep, the Z5500 are hardly cheap!

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Yahooadam:

welcome to ROB :p

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wibbit_:

Yahooadam: Thanks for the help regarding the amp's, but I think for now I'll probably aim for some thing slightly lower in spec. I don't think I could bring my self to buy a <i>poor quality amp</i> but can't justify the costs of a good amp, + speakers :\

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wibbit_:

May be when I have a house to put them all in

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Yahooadam:

Preview Error: Previewer file '/srv/DataDisk4/Recordings/Recorded/1001_20080402223845.mpg' is not valid.

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Yahooadam:

i get that when i tune a DVB-T station

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Yahooadam:

grrrrr ./banghead

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Aval0n:

anyone heard of momolight or atmolight before?

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moemoe:

wah...i should adjust my hilight-regexp. i'm not momolight

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Aval0n:

?

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moemoe:

but sounds like a clone of the phillips-ambilight-thing

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Aval0n:

hilight-regexp

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Aval0n:

what is that

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Aval0n:

I know about them I want to do it

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Aval0n:

but everything regarding atmolight is all in german

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Aval0n:

lol

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moemoe:

ja, deutsch ist doch kein problem *fg*

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Aval0n:

lol

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moemoe:

Aval0n: but i think the circuit diagram should be understandable without being able to talk german, or what is exactly your problem?

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moemoe:

Aval0n: and if one channel is enough you can also use http://entropia.de/wiki/BambyLight, that uses directly the vga-signal to get an average color of the whole image

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territory:

anyway to speed up channel changing on a sa4250 threw firewire

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iamlindoro:

nope

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territory:

;[

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territory:

my only mythtv complaint, altho not mythtv's fault

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territory:

slow ass cable box

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qcjn:

hi, i've installed, mythtv, with synaptic in Ubuntu. but it s chinese to me ?

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qcjn:

it ask me for a host,,mysql or sql server ?

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ajh:

I don't see an easy way to remove "All programs" from the display, any hints?

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ajh:

I just want things to go into default or the specific recording group they're set to.

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ajh:

alternatively, being able to set a recording group to 'do not show in all programs; would be good.

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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ajh:

does myth pick up it's recording start/stop times from the dvb stream or the system clock? if the system clock, is there a way to sync that to the time on the dvb?

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fryfrog:

pretty sure it uses system time

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iamlindoro:

It's from the system clock. Does DVB braodcast time? I'm pretty sure it doesn't.

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iamlindoro:

er broadcast

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fryfrog:

and oddly, it'll fire off recordings based on master clock and *stop* them on slave clock (assuming you are having a slave record)

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kisak:

hi folks

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kisak:

anyone use gentoo+mythtv_0.21+ivtv?

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ajh:

ok, thanks.

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