Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, April 1st, 2008, 00:00 UTC

[00:00:54]

t0ny2 (t0ny2!n=t0ny-p40@72.24.228.178) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:00:58]

t0ny-p40 (t0ny-p40!n=t0ny-p40@72.24.228.178) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[00:01:52]

t0ny2 is now known as t0ny-p40

[00:03:37]

ajh:

telnet, why not get an expansion chassis, they're 179 or so and give you 4 PCI for the cost of a single 1x Pci-E slot.

[00:03:56]

ajh:

also moves heat and power supply outside the box.

[00:04:51]

XLV:

TelnetManta, some asrock i bet...

[00:04:58]

XLV:

i was looking for something like that

[00:05:19]

ajh:

the other added advantage is if new boards start dropping PCI support... your cards don't become useless.

[00:05:35]

ajh:

cooldrives.com has some.

[00:06:32]

ajh:

I'm torn between using one, and just using one of the machines littering the basement for a secondary back-end.

[00:07:16]

ajh:

wish backends would peer vs slave/master, though.

[00:07:17]

robbins876_ is now known as robbins61

[00:07:23]

xris (xris!n=xris@66.236.8.178.ptr.us.xo.net) has quit ()

[00:07:51]

GreyFoxx:

In what way ? What are you looking to gain over the way it works now ?

[00:08:09]

Decepticon:

so a pvr-150 only uses 5 watts?

[00:08:22]

ajh:

presumably now if the master crashes you lose all slaves for recording.

[00:08:34]

GreyFoxx:

no

[00:08:36]

GreyFoxx:

they continue

[00:08:46]

GreyFoxx:

but nothing new will start until the master is back

[00:08:46]

ajh:

I'm going to be on the road away from home for 3–6 months at a time, so redundancy would be nice.

[00:09:17]

ajh:

My plan is to transcode everything to h.264 at ipod size so my satellite download fees don't kill me.

[00:09:34]

GreyFoxx:

That's where you properly script , and use decent hardware that powers up when power is applied rather than requiring a person to power on

[00:09:51]

ajh:

this is more in the event of hardware failure

[00:09:59]

GreyFoxx:

You could hack something up simply enough though

[00:10:02]

ajh:

like using LVS+HA

[00:10:11]

GreyFoxx:

use keepalived

[00:10:17]

ajh:

Yeah, I'll look into it once everything else is done. :)

[00:10:43]

GreyFoxx:

master goes away and a slave takes the IP, launches a 2nd instance of mythbackend with a forced hostname of the master

[00:10:54]

GreyFoxx:

add in mysql replication and you are good to go

[00:11:00]

ajh:

that's what lvs+heartbeat handles.

[00:11:05]

GreyFoxx:

Assuming you are not storing content on the master

[00:11:13]

GreyFoxx:

then you fscked anyway

[00:11:16]

ajh:

it's a little more complex than you think, but stuff is out there to handle those cases.

[00:11:28]

GreyFoxx:

No it's not, I set that sort of thing up every day or work

[00:12:03]

ajh:

returning to a stable state, STONITH, etc.

[00:12:23]

GreyFoxx:

I do not believe in auto failback

[00:12:27]

ajh:

but yeah, for most cases it should work.

[00:12:29]

GreyFoxx:

failover yes, but NEVER failback

[00:12:47]

GreyFoxx:

if something caused a failover it SHOULD cause a person to be involved to return to the normal state

[00:12:48]

ajh:

there's failover due to fail, and due to communications failure

[00:12:59]

ajh:

the 2nd you really want to be able to recover from.

[00:13:03]

GreyFoxx:

It ensures someone knows what's going on

[00:13:16]

ajh:

that assumes there's someone clueful in residence to do it :)

[00:13:22]

XLV (XLV!n=XLV@88.218.56.148) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[00:13:23]

XLV_ (XLV_!n=XLV@dsl-88-218-56-148.customers.vivodi.gr) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:13:28]

GreyFoxx:

then you live in the failed over state until you return

[00:13:49]

XLV_ is now known as XLV

[00:14:20]

ajh:

Not sure tv storage warrants using HA storage though... :)

[00:14:34]

GreyFoxx:

I wouldn't think so :)

[00:14:35]

ol_schoola (ol_schoola!n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has quit ()

[00:14:55]

GreyFoxx:

I shouldn't mind one of those expansion PCI chasis though

[00:15:00]

ajh:

but if you're 6 months in the far north or central/south America or Africa....

[00:15:06]

ajh:

yeah, they look nice.

[00:15:09]

GreyFoxx:

someone in here showed me a few that had like 8 slots to 1 pcie

[00:15:16]

ajh:

a whole lot cheaper even than the old ISA ones.

[00:15:34]

ajh:

I wouldn't go that far unless you know your throughput will fit easily.

[00:15:36]

GreyFoxx:

did you say cooldrives.com selles them? Or just drive enclosures ?

[00:16:09]

ajh:

they have them, they're called 1 Port PCI-e to 4 X PCI Expansion Enclosure

[00:17:14]

GreyFoxx:

I have been wanting to merge my master+slave and all drives from bnoth into 1, but not enough pci slots :)

[00:17:31]

GreyFoxx:

but throughput could be a problem

[00:17:34]

ajh:

I'm really starting to wish the channel list was more persistent, or at least had a way to generate and apply a diff.

[00:18:16]

ajh:

I'll be doing 3 DVB cards in one back-end, I hope. I'll know how it works next week.

[00:18:55]

GreyFoxx:

I've got 3 PVR cards, 2 DVB, and firewire, then add in the sata cards and pci idea controllers

[00:18:57]

ajh:

load with one is very low though unless I'm watching too, but I"ll be splitting the FE off too next week.

[00:19:01]

Ava- (Ava-!n=aval0n@ip68-106-236-127.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:19:11]

ajh:

yeah, I need something to do security camera inputs too.

[00:19:12]

Ava-:

anyone here run 21-fixes on gutsy?

[00:19:17]

GreyFoxx:

and now the firewire 200 disk dvd changer

[00:19:22]

ajh:

any motion activation record filters?

[00:19:33]

ajh:

and TCR

[00:19:42]

GreyFoxx:

ajh: zoneminder is sweet, and mythzoneminder ties right into it

[00:19:51]

ajh:

Thanks, I'll take a look.

[00:20:44]

Ava-:

grey: what distro are you running?

[00:20:52]

GreyFoxx:

Ava-: Slackware

[00:20:58]

Ava-:

ahh

[00:21:00]

ajh:

yes, that looks like it'll work, thanks

[00:21:03]

Ava-:

what branch you runnin?

[00:21:06]

Ava-:

trunk?

[00:21:28]

purserj:

Ava-: I do

[00:21:32]

Ava-:

cool

[00:21:39]

GreyFoxx:

Ava-: Trunk from 2 weeks ago, been too busy to update as regularly as I normally do

[00:21:49]

GreyFoxx:

especially with the move to QT4

[00:21:49]

** Kazan beats the heck out of this DVD **

[00:22:02]

ajh:

is there a way to pre-specify channel callsign to channel name mappings and icons?

[00:22:05]

Kazan:

two DVDs from my wife's "dog whisperer" season 1 box set take like ten minutes to load up in linux

[00:22:08]

Kazan:

both in Internal and in Xine

[00:22:14]

ajh:

so on every re-scan I don't have to re-set them

[00:22:25]

Kazan:

internal won't let me popup the interface menu (not the dvd menu) even until it's done loading

[00:22:29]

Kazan:

powerDVD on windows.. works fine

[00:23:02]

ajh:

kazan, have you looked at it under strace to see where it's hanging?

[00:23:03]

iamlindoro:

Kazan: Very likely ArcOSS/intentional introduction of bad bits to prevent ripping the DVD

[00:23:15]

GreyFoxx:

ajh: how do you mean "pre specify" ?

[00:23:24]

GreyFoxx:

oh dvb scanning

[00:23:40]

XLV:

Kazan, yeah... de-drm it

[00:23:41]

ajh:

grey, well a csv file of things like CBCSN:CBC Sports

[00:23:53]

ajh:

preferably with an icon name

[00:23:57]

purserj:

Ava-: any particular reason for asking or just checking to see if anyone else does?

[00:24:06]

GreyFoxx:

well after you set them up once you shouldnt have to do it again except for new/dead channels

[00:24:09]

Decepticon (Decepticon!n=Deceptic@64-238-186-50.cty.apt.gru.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[00:24:24]

ajh:

grey, I've had to reset the database at least once in the last week.

[00:24:33]

ajh:

and when you're looking at 1000+ channels...

[00:24:36]

Kazan:

xlv: it's not arccos

[00:24:42]

Kazan:

xlv: it's made by a small company

[00:24:49]

Kazan:

no arccos logo on packaging

[00:24:54]

purserj:

ajh: when you say "reset" do you mean clean out and start again?

[00:24:59]

ajh:

yeah

[00:25:04]

iamlindoro:

Kazan: They don't *put* arcoss logos on most of the packaging

[00:25:09]

Kazan:

ajh: it doesn't really.. "hang" it just takes forever

[00:25:15]

iamlindoro:

nor is ArcOSS the only way to prevent ripping

[00:25:18]

Kazan:

true

[00:25:26]

ajh:

kazan, yes but you'll see where it's stalling.

[00:25:31]

Kazan:

true

[00:25:32]

purserj:

not sure if there is anything to let you do that

[00:25:49]

Kazan:

any good software on linux that actually can work around those rips

[00:25:53]

Kazan:

powerdvd on windows has no problem

[00:26:00]

ajh:

purserj, just seems a waste that every individual needs to do that, vs having a way to contrib mappings.

[00:26:02]

XLV:

Kazan, just rip it, mount the image, see if it keeps doing it

[00:26:04]

Kazan:

it's retarded that libdvdread/dvdnav/dvdcss can't do it

[00:26:28]

XLV:

Kazan, do you have something like anydvd on windows running though?

[00:26:30]

iamlindoro:

Kazan: PowerDVD is the only *licensed* DVD player you're trying it on-- surprise, surprise...

[00:26:45]

ajh:

I don't mind doing boring tedious things in the name of perfectionism, but doing them twice? ;)

[00:27:01]

Kazan:

using what ripping tool?

[00:27:14]

destructar (destructar!n=joecurle@c-67-173-70-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:27:21]

Kazan:

iamlindoro: and it's retarded that libdvdread/dvdnav cannot fully implement all the standard dvd instructions

[00:27:29]

gandalfcome (gandalfcome!n=gandalfc@150.203.88.204) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:27:30]

ajh:

kazan, if you figure out what's stopping it, then send that informaton to someone who cares, they might even fix it.

[00:27:33]

iamlindoro:

Kazan: They have

[00:27:42]

iamlindoro:

Kazan: ArcOSS and the like *break* the DVD format

[00:28:00]

destructar:

hi all: getting an issue trying to watch recordings in mythtv: "XvMCTex Init failed"... i have v4l2 eneabled (on ubuntu 7.10)

[00:28:07]

Kazan:

and yet players that predate it like hardware players can read them because they listen to the jump instruction

[00:28:20]

iamlindoro:

DVDs with bad bits intentionally introduced are not following the DVD standard-- there was a brouhaha about whether they should be allowed to have the DVD logo on the packaging

[00:28:21]

destructar:

all recordings play perfectly in VLC, Totem and Mplayer, just not mythtv

[00:28:41]

gaspipe1 (gaspipe1!n=gaspipe1@pool-71-187-204-219.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:28:43]

Kazan:

iamlindoro: if the player just follows the jump instruction then they won't have a problem

[00:28:46]

destructar:

if i disable v4l2 i can't play any video (dvds etc.) via the afore mentioned programs, but mythtv works fine... wtf??

[00:28:50]

ajh:

try turning playback to non XvMC

[00:29:13]

Kazan:

um... internal ripper gives me "cannot connect to your myth transcoding daemon"

[00:29:26]

GreyFoxx:

gotta run mtd on thne frontend

[00:29:34]

GreyFoxx:

and it needs write permissions to where your mythviodeo stuff goes

[00:29:50]

destructar:

ajh: looking for option now

[00:30:11]

Kazan:

GreyFoxx: actual command name is "mtd"?

[00:30:16]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[00:31:35]

destructar:

ajh: found it... preferred mpeg2 decoder is set to "standard" which uses ffmpeg

[00:31:46]

ajh:

odd.

[00:31:48]

Ava-:

greyfoxx do you use a window manager?

[00:32:07]

GreyFoxx:

Ava-: yeah xfce4

[00:32:11]

GreyFoxx:

use to use icewm

[00:32:20]

chopp:

iamlindoro: you said a couple days ago that you hadn't heard of anyone successfully using a hauppauge hvr-1600 with myth. Guess I can be first on that list. Got mine working. :)

[00:32:21]

GreyFoxx:

but xfce4 coems with slackware these days so I just use it

[00:32:24]

gaspipe1 (gaspipe1!n=gaspipe1@pool-71-187-204-219.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[00:32:51]

Ava-:

and you have X autologin and run mythfrontend>?

[00:33:24]

GreyFoxx:

I don't use a login manager, I kinda bypass the need for it :)

[00:33:45]

GreyFoxx:

I have my init scripts launch startx as the mythtv user :)

[00:34:11]

GreyFoxx:

X starts xfce, xfce starts mythfrontend :)

[00:35:20]

destructar:

ajh: i have load "v4l" set in xorg.conf... but v4l2 is enabled... should this be set to v4l2 instead?

[00:35:44]

xris (xris!n=xris@xris.forevermore.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:35:44]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris

[00:36:08]

ajh:

sorry, last time I used v4l was right after Alan implemented it, as a test subject. :)

[00:36:32]

destructar:

ajh: does it even make sense that I need v4l on in order to play video in vlc?

[00:36:59]

ajh:

Never used vlc, but if it's only display interface is v4l, then yes.

[00:38:45]

Kazan:

a non-licensed player on windows had no problem what so ever loading up the disc

[00:38:55]

destructar:

crap this is frustrating... i had everything playing nice until i decided to reinstall mythtv

[00:40:27]

Kazan:

oh... dvd shrink tells me the menus aren't even authored right.. no suprise

[00:43:02]

Kazan:

yup.. the people that authored this dvd were retards

[00:45:33]

purserj:

destructar: vlc probably has a dependancy on v4l so that it can use web cams and so on

[00:46:20]

destructar:

purserj: any idea why enabling it would disable playback in mythtv?

[00:47:23]

purserj:

none whatsoever

[00:48:15]

destructar:

crap... neither does google thus far... odd thing is mplayer and totem also rely on it in order to play video which doesn't make sense

[00:49:32]

destructar:

my guess is that drivers are installed wrong or conflicting

[00:51:37]

justinh (justinh!n=meh@spc1-salf3-0-0-cust997.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:53:04]

purserj:

destructar: what OS?

[00:53:13]

justinh:

iamlindoro: some new previews to you to peruse ;)

[00:56:03]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: Oooh, now you're just taunting

[00:56:29]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: Is that a semi-transparent overlay or something in the movie poster?

[00:57:04]

iamlindoro_:

Anyway, it all looks damn good

[00:57:11]

justinh:

the former

[00:57:46]

i3ooi3oo (i3ooi3oo!n=i3ooi3oo@153.59.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:57:51]

iamlindoro_:

Nice

[00:58:11]

simcop2387-tv (simcop2387-tv!n=simcop23@p3m/member/simcop2387) has quit ("Leaving")

[00:58:25]

iamlindoro_:

Consider me suitably impressed

[00:58:59]

justinh:

the bar has to be raised every time :P

[00:59:01]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: any thoughts of updating the OSD to use the new HD OSD code?

[01:00:09]

justinh:

yeah probably

[01:00:12]

iamlindoro_:

although I suppose "new" is relative in this case

[01:01:36]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: Someone hacked into your system and put a Scooby Doo movie there, be on your guard

[01:01:58]

clever:

2008-03–31 22:00:09.203 TV: Changing from WatchingRecording to WatchingPreRecorded

[01:02:01]

clever:

ASSERT failure in QList<T>::operator[]: "index out of range", file /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h, line 394

[01:02:08]

clever:

weee

[01:02:09]

iamlindoro_:

probably retribution for taking blootube-wide away

[01:02:10]

clever:

more segfaults!

[01:02:19]

clever:

i should run with -v all more often

[01:03:56]

destructar (destructar!n=joecurle@c-67-173-70-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[01:04:26]

Ava-:

anyone else in here rock a pvr-500?

[01:04:44]

dustybin:

rock?

[01:04:51]

iamlindoro_:

I wouldn't mind smashing one *with* a rock, does that count?

[01:05:18]

iamlindoro_:

If I have two PVR-150s, a mortar and a pestle, can I "rock" myself a PVR-500?

[01:05:50]

Ava-:

heh

[01:06:12]

clever:

ive got a single 150

[01:06:21]

iamlindoro_:

Analog, ewwwwwwww

[01:06:30]

clever:

since i did dist-upgrade 3 times im able to get cc on vbi

[01:06:37]

clever:

but the backend warns of lockups

[01:06:53]

clever:

and i think i did get one once during the initial testing

[01:07:13]

XLV (XLV!n=XLV@dsl-88-218-56-148.customers.vivodi.gr) has quit ("Leaving")

[01:07:16]

clever:

the old driver sucked 99% system cpu reading vbi

[01:09:02]

iamlindoro_:

Oooh, almost time to ignore anything on the internet for 24 hours

[01:09:25]

clever:

my main problem now is i2c causing kernel oops now

[01:09:28]

clever:

lirc_i2c

[01:09:42]

clever:

ive rebuilt the drivers and it still oopses

[01:09:46]

clever:

NULL

[01:11:01]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: by my local time, I think a press release from Hauppauge Inc. about a HDMI capture device which bypasses HDCP is imminent

[01:11:17]

dustybin:

because mythmusic can display album covers full size, should one rip the artwork at a good high resolution?

[01:11:36]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: Hehe, I imagine they are trying to remain vewwy vewwy quiet right now, actually

[01:11:47]

wesw02 (wesw02!n=wes@ppp-69-223-44-97.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:12:16]

justinh:

dustybin: nah, cos mythmusic incorporates that brilliant zooming algorithm they use on CSI – just make the artwork 64x64 pixels & it'll be fine.

[01:12:17]

Ava-:

iamlindoro how come you have to --prefix=/usr for mythtv un ubuntu?

[01:12:28]

Ava-:

and other distros are /usr/local

[01:12:39]

wesw02:

is mythcommflag coded to only use a small amount of the cpu?

[01:12:43]

justinh:

Ava-: personal preference & 'best practise'

[01:12:59]

justinh:

wesw02: you can select how 'nice' mythcommflag runs

[01:13:02]

iamlindoro_:

Ava-: You can use either in Ubuntu, technically, and so long as you've removed packaged versions first

[01:13:10]

Ava-:

isn't best practive to put it in /usr/local ?

[01:13:17]

Ava-:

since it's locally compiled

[01:13:22]

justinh:

Ava-: that's considered best AFAIK

[01:13:22]

Ava-:

isn't /usr for packaged stuff

[01:13:28]

wesw02:

justinh, this really only effects it if there are alot of applications that need time on the processor

[01:13:36]

Ava-:

justing: which is considered best?

[01:13:40]

Ava-:

err justinh

[01:13:44]

iamlindoro_:

Ava-: Nobody is stopping you from doing either. Most people don't know any better

[01:14:08]

Ava-:

I hear ya

[01:14:10]

iamlindoro_:

I put mine in /usr/local personally

[01:14:19]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Is that the HD PVR you are talking about or is this a new item ?

[01:14:24]

justinh:

Ava-: I use /usr/local. best to remove packages first for stuff you make yourself

[01:14:32]

Ava-:

right on

[01:14:39]

wesw02:

as it stands right now, my cpu is relatively free, yet mythcommflag is not making use of much of it

[01:14:41]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: I think justinh was talking about April Fools Jokes (or potential ones)

[01:15:00]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh

[01:15:08]

GreyFoxx:

right wasn't thinking about the date heh

[01:15:16]

justinh:

so tempted to publish teaser screenshots... must... resist

[01:15:20]

GreyFoxx:

I hate fake news and crap

[01:15:23]

iamlindoro_:

Yah, I mentioned having to ignore everything on the internet tomorrow

[01:15:47]

Ava-:

justinh spoilers of what?

[01:15:48]

iamlindoro_:

slashdot is the worst, they get way out of hand

[01:15:59]

justinh:

GreyFoxx: awww but the one from Google last year was ace :)

[01:17:05]

justinh:

super-fast fibre-optical broadband through your toilet

[01:17:30]

SLUG__ (SLUG__!n=SLUG@c-71-196-16-79.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[01:18:44]

Decepticon (Decepticon!n=Deceptic@64-238-186-50.cty.apt.gru.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:19:19]

Ava-:

21-fixes works on ubuntu gutsy doesn't it?

[01:19:28]

Decepticon (Decepticon!n=Deceptic@64-238-186-50.cty.apt.gru.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[01:19:35]

Ava-:

I heard something about a possible libc6 conflict?

[01:19:47]

justinh:

Ava-: works fine on dapper even :P

[01:19:59]

Ava-:

ahh

[01:20:03]

Ava-:

what do you run justinh?

[01:20:18]

Ava-:

hardy is a big peice of shit, at least in beta

[01:20:22]

Ava-:

and now I'm hosed

[01:20:23]

Ava-:

lol

[01:20:32]

Ava-:

shouldn't have upgraded from gutsy

[01:20:45]

justinh:

backend is Dapper.. frontend is... er.. something ubuntu-ish

[01:20:47]

iamlindoro_:

I've got one of my myth boxes running Hardy, no issues thus far

[01:21:18]

neddy (neddy!n=john@nat/sun/x-1c550cb56c99a416) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:21:38]

Ava-:

ahh

[01:21:38]

Ava-:

cool

[01:21:40]

iamlindoro_:

I must say there's not much worth writing home about in Hardy IMO

[01:21:50]

Ava-:

if I rm -rf everything but a backup dir on my /

[01:22:06]

Ava-:

I should be able to re-install fiesty and not have it format and kill that backup dir correct?

[01:22:21]

justinh:

8-O

[01:22:37]

Ava-:

I made the mistake of upgrading to hardy dev

[01:22:41]

Ava-:

and it's completely hosed

[01:22:55]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=hox@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[01:23:38]

Anduin (Anduin!n=awithers@adsl-69-110-38-220.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:23:41]

arschjucken (arschjucken!n=nutte@e179069001.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:24:24]

dustybin:

why do people choose ubuntu? debian is the way to go?

[01:24:34]

dustybin:

</flamewar>

[01:24:50]

Ava-:

isn't ubuntu just debian with some extra eye candy?

[01:25:08]

dustybin:

ubuntu is based on debian, so why not use the master? debian

[01:25:55]

dustybin:

im not into all this "based on" crap

[01:26:07]

dustybin:

if its "based on" something else, dont use it

[01:26:15]

simcop2387-tv (simcop2387-tv!n=simcop23@p3m/member/simcop2387) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:26:53]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=hox@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:26:58]

destructar (destructar!n=joecurle@c-67-173-70-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:27:12]

simcop2387-tv:

ok interesting question (for me anyway), is there any way to put a button in the main menu thats actually from a plugin? specifically the Video List in the video plugin menu? (and play DVD)

[01:27:31]

destructar:

I've done more investigation: mplayer is able to open videos recorded from mythtv and play them back, however mythtv is not able to playback anything but audio

[01:27:59]

destructar:

mythtv's video playback is ping and yellow, or sometimes just green (as though it's playing encrypted video and not decoding it)

[01:28:01]

hadees:

with MythWeather is there anyway to set a default location instead of having to search for my city every time I add a new screen?

[01:28:11]

destructar:

*pink and yellow

[01:28:12]

iamlindoro_:

destructar: Oh is *that* all

[01:28:16]

iamlindoro_:

nvidia driver bug

[01:28:24]

iamlindoro_:

roll back to 100.14.11 or upgrade to 169.12

[01:28:29]

destructar:

crap

[01:28:30]

iamlindoro_:

tada, fixed

[01:28:35]

wesw02:

dustybin, why not?

[01:28:56]

dustybin:

why not what?

[01:29:06]

wesw02:

why not used distros that are based upon others?

[01:29:14]

dustybin:

wesw02: what is the point?

[01:30:06]

wesw02:

just because a distro is based on another distro doesn't mean there alike in any way, it typically just means that the package management system is similar or the same

[01:30:17]

wesw02:

take for example centOS and fedora/redhat

[01:30:21]

simcop2387-tv:

hmm guess no one right now knows

[01:30:52]

wesw02:

simcop2387-tv, sorry don't use the mythfrontend

[01:31:04]

dustybin:

wesw02: it usually means they are not as solid as the distro they are based on

[01:31:16]

wesw02:

i don't agree with that

[01:31:19]

simcop2387-tv:

wesw02, what do you use?

[01:31:27]

wesw02:

I have a modded xbox

[01:31:30]

simcop2387-tv:

ah

[01:31:35]

wesw02:

and I use a frontend python script on that

[01:31:35]

simcop2387-tv:

neato

[01:31:59]

destructar:

iamlindoro_: thanks changing drivers now

[01:32:17]

iamlindoro_:

np

[01:32:25]

simcop2387-tv:

i keep meaning to adapt my tv software to be able to play from mythtv (its basically a random file player running on a box hooked up to my non-used cable system, so that i have 24/7 simpsons)

[01:32:50]

simcop2387-tv:

but its based off some radio software i wrote thats running an FM station, so it supports scheduling, and all kinds of nifty things

[01:32:52]

wesw02:

dustybin, your claiming that if distro 2 uses the a package management system that was designed by distro 1, then distro 1 is a more solid distro

[01:32:57]

wesw02:

thats awful logic

[01:33:30]

wesw02:

by the way, i'm not an ubunut fan boy, I prefer debian over ubuntu any day

[01:35:15]

destructar:

iamlindoro_: thank you very much! you just saved me tons of time tonight :)

[01:36:09]

destructar:

i'm outta here to do something non-computer related :)

[01:36:10]

destructar (destructar!n=joecurle@c-67-173-70-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has quit ()

[01:36:56]

hadees:

anyone here using the autostart use flag for mythtv on gentoo? For some reason lirc won't work when i start the frontend this way. However if i ssh in and stop lirc then start it up again and then quit mythfrontend which causes mythfrontend to auto restart lirc will work again, although that defeats the purpose of an easy startup

[01:36:58]

MaverickTech (MaverickTech!n=Maverick@111.86.233.220.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:37:43]

wesw02:

hadess, hmm, i'm running on gentoo, hold on a second, I'll check

[01:38:15]

wesw02:

hadess, nope I'm not using the autostart flag

[01:38:31]

wesw02:

sorry for spelling you name wrong

[01:38:37]

hadees:

wesw02, lol, you would have already know if you were because you wouldn't have had to login

[01:39:01]

wesw02:

yea just looked at the meaning of that flag

[01:39:08]

hadees:

i'm trying to make my mythtv box easy for someone who doesn't really know computers

[01:39:13]

wesw02:

yea

[01:39:17]

Anduin:

hadees: You should look at the frontend log, it will tell you with lircrc file it is using (in case it is something silly like a missing HOME)

[01:39:33]

hadees:

Anduin, where is that stored

[01:39:42]

hadees:

i tried looking for the log file but couldn't find it

[01:40:01]

Anduin:

hadees: I don't gentoo, though usually somewhere in /var/log(/myth)

[01:40:17]

hadees:

yeah i checked there and didn't see a log

[01:40:38]

Anduin:

hadees: How is the autostart thing accomplished?

[01:40:52]

wesw02:

i setup a media center machine for a friend a couple months back, I didn't use the autostart flag however, I actually just used xdm, stripped the login, and then set mythtv-frontend to start on startup

[01:41:11]

hadees:

Anduin, http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/mythtv/autostart.html

[01:42:37]

Anduin:

hadees: So you can modify ~/.xinitrc

[01:43:17]

wesw02 (wesw02!n=wes@ppp-69-223-44-97.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[01:43:25]

hadees:

it seems to be related to the daemon, if lircd is run from the command line and doesn't spawn it works

[01:43:41]

hadees:

meaning if i quit the frontend and let it reload

[01:44:35]

hadees:

hmm it should be logging to /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log according to xinitrc

[01:44:50]

hadees:

i don't see that log though

[01:45:04]

ajh (ajh!n=ajh@CPE000f662bc905-CM00111a5c57fe.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[01:45:18]

Anduin:

hadees: does /var/log/mythtv exist? writable?

[01:45:53]

hadees:

Anduin, ah, maybe its because the auto login user is mythtv

[01:45:57]

hadees:

good idea let me check

[01:46:22]

Anduin:

hadees: lircd startup should happen before all that though

[01:47:52]

hadees:

Anduin, yeah, well apparently it is a connection refused error with lirc

[01:48:08]

hadees:

now i just have to figure out why that is happening

[01:48:51]

hadees:

mythtv: could not connect to socket

[01:48:51]

hadees:

mythtv: Connection refused

[01:48:51]

hadees:

2008-03–31 20:46:52.500 lirc_init failed for mythtv, see preceding messages

[01:49:05]

hadees:

so is the could not connect to socket from lircd?

[01:49:13]

Anduin:

hadees: /dev/lircd exists? with reasonable perms at that point?

[01:49:57]

hadees:

Anduin, yeah /dev/lircd exists

[01:50:05]

hadees:

irw can't connect to it either

[01:50:37]

hadees:

but if i stop it and run lircd from the command line with out spawning the daemon it works

[01:50:48]

hadees:

i haven't tried spawing the daemon from the command line yet though

[01:51:07]

hadees:

but i am not sure that would really tell me much of anything

[01:53:51]

ahbritto (ahbritto!n=guest@adsl-68-125-197-181.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has quit (Client Quit)

[01:57:30]

hadees:

so spawning the daemon from the command line as root also works

[01:58:19]

riddlebox (riddlebox!n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) has quit ("Leaving")

[02:01:59]

a1fa (a1fa!n=fiddy@unaffiliated/a1fa) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:02:40]

simcop2387-tv:

hadees, i've got a similar issue, haven't found a solution yet though

[02:03:04]

hadees:

looks like i should file a bug then

[02:03:17]

hadees:

as it says on http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/mythtv/autostart.html

[02:03:30]

hadees:

i wonder how that dev controls his system =)

[02:03:40]

simcop2387-tv:

hadees, i'm not using the autostart flag (i'm doing it manually from kdm), but its almost like /etc/init.d/lircd doesn't get run, i've even marked mythbackend, xdm, and a couple other scripts as REQUIRING lird to already be running, but it doesn't seem to startup properly

[02:04:31]

simcop2387-tv:

if i had a monitor to the computer (its headless until it switches to 720p) i'd possibly know why but i haven't had the chance to figure that out yet

[02:04:54]

hadees:

simcop2387-tv, try ssh

[02:05:05]

hadees:

thats how i have been figuring everything out with mine

[02:05:15]

simcop2387-tv:

that won't show me the bootup :)

[02:05:51]

simcop2387-tv:

thats how i do most of my maintainence to, luckily though the people here typically use the wireless keyboard to control mythtv anyway, if i could get the remote working i'd prefer that

[02:06:12]

simcop2387-tv:

(also i'm on that computer right now anyway)

[02:07:45]

simcop2387-tv:

any i should head off to bed, before i get too distracted and can't get up in the morning

[02:09:21]

Aval0n:

anyone successfully run mythtv using compiz as the WM?

[02:09:42]

simcop2387-tv:

i do on my other computer, what kind of problem are you having, and what kind of graphics card

[02:09:55]

simcop2387-tv:

(also, crap, no bed for me tonight :))

[02:12:09]

Aval0n:

simcop2387: are you talking to me?

[02:12:44]

simcop2387-tv:

yes sorry

[02:12:48]

Aval0n:

ahh

[02:12:51]

Aval0n:

no problem

[02:12:57]

Aval0n:

just I hear a lot of ppl say that it can't be done

[02:13:18]

Aval0n:

the only "problem: I have with compiz is when I run mythfrontend I get the 2 menubars at top and bottom still

[02:13:41]

iamlindoro_:

Nobody says it can't be done-- lots of people say it *shouldn't* be done and when you run into problems you'll have nobody but yourself to blame

[02:14:02]

simcop2387-tv:

hmm never had a problem with it, heck i play back HD video in compiz without framedrop

[02:14:20]

simcop2387-tv:

only about 5% cpu increase when compiz is around

[02:14:32]

iamlindoro_:

the issues with compiz aren't overhead-related

[02:14:48]

simcop2387-tv:

i know, i'm just bragging

[02:15:12]

simcop2387-tv:

i think i remember hearing there was an option or two that fixed most peoples issues, but its been a while

[02:16:06]

simcop2387-tv:

i have however had issues with mythtv and x11vnc not playing "well" over vnc, with the opengl painter, but thats mostly x11vncs fault

[02:18:03]

Aval0n:

hmm

[02:18:09]

Aval0n:

simcop2387: do you get the menubars?

[02:18:19]

simcop2387-tv:

what menu bars?

[02:18:30]

Aval0n:

well when I login to ubuntu desktop

[02:18:35]

Aval0n:

and run mythfrontend

[02:18:38]

Aval0n:

I get the bars still

[02:18:39]

Aval0n:

top and bottom

[02:18:48]

Aval0n:

even though mythfrontend is fullscreen

[02:18:54]

Aval0n:

the bars are still optop if you will

[02:18:58]

Aval0n:

ontop*

[02:19:10]

simcop2387-tv:

AH the panels, no i don't have those, and i use kde

[02:19:41]

Aval0n:

ahh

[02:20:17]

simcop2387-tv:

that may be the root of my solution :()

[02:20:40]

simcop2387-tv:

:)* stupid small laptop keyboard, works great though for being 20ft away from the box to type

[02:23:07]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=hox@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[02:23:35]

bowlarium (bowlarium!n=ppfeifer@ool-44c4f75a.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:27:15]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=hox@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:30:46]

k-man (k-man!n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:30:59]

k-man:

is there a way to see if a recording is in SD or HD?

[02:31:26]

iamlindoro:

ffmpeg -i myfile will give you the resolution

[02:32:06]

k-man:

iamlindoro, no way to tell from the frontend?

[02:32:40]

simcop2387-tv:

k-man, yes, hit 1 in the watch recordings menu

[02:32:52]

k-man:

simcop2387-tv, ah, thanks

[02:32:54]

simcop2387-tv:

er section, er whatever, it'll display what all of the icons mean around the description of the show

[02:33:22]

iamlindoro:

simcop2387: it will only have an HD flag if the listings said it was HD

[02:33:23]

simcop2387-tv:

dont' know if that icon actually WORKS, i dont' ahve any hd recordings

[02:33:28]

k-man:

oh, and some of them mean its HD

[02:34:29]

iamlindoro:

One of them does, but that doesn't tell you the resolution, and it's dependent on your guide data to have that information. For some of my channels it's sometimes right, sometimes wrong, and some of them are always wrong/missing the flag

[02:35:04]

k-man:

ok

[02:35:14]

simcop2387-tv:

check the file size in the delete recordings? heh, that might be a decent indicator depending on your settings

[02:35:26]

simcop2387-tv:

but thats not scriptable easily

[02:37:09]

Anduin (Anduin!n=awithers@adsl-69-110-38-220.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[02:39:29]

k-man:

iamlindoro, that ffmeg -i is awesome!

[02:39:30]

k-man:

thanks

[02:39:40]

iamlindoro:

np

[02:39:40]

k-man:

iamlindoro, if only that info was available in the front end

[02:43:03]

rhpot1991 (rhpot1991!n=john@c-24-0-186-244.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:46:18]

doje (doje!n=doje@cpe-76-90-33-176.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:48:23]

Anduin (Anduin!n=awithers@adsl-69-110-38-220.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:54:14]

Egghead3 (Egghead3!n=jimbobwa@96.243.133.151) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:55:51]

Egghead3:

trying to get mythweb video streaming to work, whe i click on a video it tries to open it in a dialog box instead of streaming it, any ideas?

[02:56:24]

FinnTux (FinnTux!n=smr@fu200.netikka.fi) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[02:57:35]

FinnTux (FinnTux!n=smr@fu200.netikka.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:58:34]

AngryElf (AngryElf!n=jsharpe@ip24-255-126-187.dc.dc.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:58:35]

Faithful (Faithful!n=Faithful@ns.linuxterminal.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[03:01:32]

Kazan:

hmm... where are our porn conoseurs....

[03:01:34]

Kazan:

:P

[03:01:42]

Kazan:

my wife told me what she wants to see... and i need to find some of it

[03:05:43]

rcrit (rcrit!n=rcrit@rcrit.qis.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[03:06:51]

rhpot1991:

anyone know a good way to have a show record in both HD and SD?

[03:07:05]

rhpot1991:

other than having a schedule for the HD channel and one for the SD channel

[03:07:12]

rhpot1991:

both ignoring duplicates

[03:08:18]

Ava-:

whats the name of the command to run just so you can press buttons on your remote to see if it's talking to lirc?

[03:08:42]

rhpot1991:

irw

[03:09:14]

Ava-:

thnx

[03:09:47]

Ava-:

hmm

[03:09:52]

Ava-:

I don't have that command

[03:09:58]

Ava-:

was it irrecord?

[03:10:06]

Ava-:

i've run it before so I know I have to have it

[03:12:34]

Ava-:

wtf

[03:12:35]

Ava-:

root@htpc:/usr/bin# ls -al irw

[03:12:35]

Ava-:

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4420 2008-03–24 11:24 irw

[03:12:35]

Ava-:

root@htpc:/usr/bin# ./irw

[03:12:35]

Ava-:

connect: No such file or directory

[03:12:35]

Ava-:

root@htpc:/usr/bin#

[03:13:51]

neddy (neddy!n=john@nat/sun/x-1c550cb56c99a416) has quit ("Leaving.")

[03:15:47]

cesman:

perhaps /usr/local/bin?

[03:15:48]

Weezey (Weezey!n=ohno@CPE000d8838113a-CM001a666a93a8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:16:02]

Weezey:

hey, what's that mythtv theme with the curtain called?

[03:16:26]

cesman:

glass-wide?

[03:16:33]

Weezey:

thasa one

[03:16:37]

Weezey:

where can I get it?

[03:16:54]

iamlindoro:

It's been retracted

[03:17:02]

cesman:

if I recall correctly, the...

[03:17:06]

Weezey:

that's crap

[03:17:07]

cesman:

what iamlindoro just stated

[03:17:21]

Weezey:

I just got a nice tv and I wann it

[03:20:36]

phedny (phedny!n=mark@2001:610:656:0:0:0:0:115) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[03:21:14]

arschjucken (arschjucken!n=nutte@e179069001.adsl.alicedsl.de) has quit ("Verlassend")

[03:31:48]

AngryElf:

does anyone know why mfe would be starting up underneath my two panels and how to correct that?

[03:38:26]

orb_rox (orb_rox!n=jay@c-24-118-33-61.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:39:03]

purserj:

kill the panels?

[03:43:57]

quink:

Is there a way to disable the new feature to upsample audio?

[03:50:15]

ol_schoola (ol_schoola!n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:07:51]

feiner (feiner!n=feiner@12-214-64-245.client.mchsi.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[04:10:01]

gnome42 (gnome42!n=gnome42@76-10-146-80.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[04:11:02]

feiner (feiner!n=feiner@12-214-64-245.client.mchsi.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:12:34]

Cackette:

http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/31/youtube-rickrolls-users/

[04:19:18]

phedny (phedny!n=mark@2001:610:656:0:0:0:0:115) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:24:03]

AngryElf (AngryElf!n=jsharpe@ip24-255-126-187.dc.dc.cox.net) has quit ("leaving")

[04:24:37]

nuonguy (nuonguy!n=john@c-24-6-175-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:35:54]

odz (odz!n=odz@user-0cceps1.cable.mindspring.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[04:35:54]

degreseven (degreseven!n=Bryan@c-24-17-159-215.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:39:35]

degreseven:

how do i make myth automatically transcode new recordings so my disk doesnt fill up so fast?

[04:41:04]

jvs (jvs!n=jvs@cm64-247.liwest.at) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:42:19]

degreseven:

actually my commercial flagging jobs aren't running either... both are selected in general tv settings. what would prevent them from running?

[04:43:09]

adante_ (adante_!n=adante@124-171-132-68.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:48:43]

leprechau (leprechau!i=charlie@96-24-255-204.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:54:42]

rsc-232 (rsc-232!i=RSC@65-78-101-58.c3-0.drf-ubr2.atw-drf.pa.cable.rcn.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:54:46]

rsc-232:

question

[04:54:53]

rsc-232:

im trying to use SVideo in on my tuner card

[04:54:57]

rsc-232:

but its not coming through

[04:56:46]

cesman:

sounds more like a statement

[04:57:11]

cesman:

In mythtv-setup, did you define the svideo as an input?

[04:57:16]

rsc-232:

yes

[04:57:17]

rsc-232:

it tells me

[04:57:27]

rsc-232:

S-Video Set to Start on 2 but does not exist

[04:57:32]

rsc-232:

when i exit setup

[04:57:39]

rsc-232:

SVideo doesnt use channels right

[04:57:42]

rsc-232:

so dont setup channels?

[04:58:04]

adante (adante!n=adante@203-217-40-32.perm.iinet.net.au) has quit (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable))

[04:58:05]

adante_ is now known as adante

[04:58:54]

rsc-232:

still there?

[04:59:55]

cesman:

no, it doesn't, however if recall correct you do need to bind the input to a source (lineup)

[05:00:05]

rsc-232:

hmm

[05:00:07]

cesman:

been a while since I setup anything other than a tuner

[05:00:09]

rsc-232:

lemme try

[05:01:52]

clarkey (clarkey!n=clarkey@c211-28-238-178.mckinn1.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:02:08]

rsc-232:

ok

[05:02:14]

rsc-232:

im at the Card Type Screen

[05:02:23]

rsc-232:

Analog V4L Capture Card

[05:02:30]

rsc-232:

Video Device /Dev/Video0

[05:02:45]

rsc-232:

Probed info: Asus PVR-418 which is actually Avermedia M150

[05:02:49]

rsc-232:

whats VBI?

[05:02:57]

rsc-232:

VBI Device /Dev/vbi0

[05:03:03]

rsc-232:

Audio: /dev/dsp

[05:03:12]

rsc-232:

Audio Sampling Rate: none

[05:03:18]

rsc-232:

Default Input: SVideo

[05:03:21]

rsc-232:

... all right?

[05:04:05]

clarkey:

hey im having a bit of trouble with mythfilldatabaseit seems to freeze at 2008-04–01 16:00:20.390 Grabber prefers method: allatonce

[05:04:06]

clarkey:

2008-04–01 16:00:20.393 New DB connection, total: 3

[05:04:06]

clarkey:

2008-04–01 16:00:20.395 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost

[05:04:06]

clarkey:

and the only way to get it moving is to press CTRL+C which after that prints the error 2008-04–01 16:00:32.767 Error in 1:1: unexpected end of file any ideas?

[05:08:09]

rsc-232:

?

[05:11:53]

pigeon_ (pigeon_!n=pigeon@60-241-137-179.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:19:46]

doje (doje!n=doje@cpe-76-90-33-176.socal.res.rr.com) has quit ()

[05:27:11]

clarkey:

oh I think I have solved the mystery i think there has been a change between 0.20 and 0.21 so that now mythfilldatabase does not print the output of the grabber? now that i added '-v all' to the end I can now see that out put and see that infact the 'freeze' was infact the grabber working silently

[05:27:35]

ajh (ajh!n=ajh@CPE000f662bc905-CM00111a5c57fe.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:27:53]

ajh:

since my re-scan earlier the channels on one sat come up greyed out and unselectable

[05:27:55]

pigeon (pigeon!n=pigeon@218-214-60-232.people.net.au) has quit (Nick collision from services.)

[05:27:56]

ajh:

ideas?

[05:28:02]

pigeon_ is now known as pigeon

[05:29:51]

ajh:

ok, setting the max simultaneous recordings to 2 vs 4 seems to have changed it.

[05:30:17]

** ajh just wanders away confused looking and looks for a whisky. **

[05:33:33]

rsc-232:

?

[05:43:50]

clarkey (clarkey!n=clarkey@c211-28-238-178.mckinn1.vic.optusnet.com.au) has quit ("Ex-Chat")

[05:56:04]

jvs (jvs!n=jvs@cm64-247.liwest.at) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[06:04:06]

ajh:

2008-04–01 02:03:47.791 NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1755_20080401020000.mpg

[06:04:13]

ajh:

Now that's weird.

[06:05:23]

rsc-232:

hm

[06:05:27]

rsc-232:

ajh: can u help me?

[06:08:23]

doje (doje!n=doje@cpe-76-90-33-176.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:25:22]

andy1 (andy1!n=andy@dynamic-208-4-252-249.tvscable.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:25:52]

PointyPumper (PointyPumper!i=Pintlezz@190.19.128.73) has left #mythtv-users ()

[06:29:12]

cesman:

rsc-232: when you say it doesn't work, what do you mean?

[06:29:30]

cesman:

rsc-232: have you taken a look at the logs?

[06:31:52]

rsc-232:

yes

[06:31:56]

rsc-232:

just black screen

[06:32:12]

rsc-232:

i have

[06:32:14]

rsc-232:

video0

[06:32:15]

rsc-232:

and video1

[06:32:17]

rsc-232:

what does that mean?

[06:33:14]

cesman:

do you mean /dev/video0 and /dev/video1?

[06:33:25]

rsc-232:

yea

[06:33:26]

cesman:

that would mean you have two tuners

[06:33:31]

rsc-232:

?

[06:33:34]

rsc-232:

so

[06:33:38]

rsc-232:

Video0 = Coax

[06:33:43]

rsc-232:

Video1 = SVideo?

[06:33:49]

cesman:

no

[06:34:03]

cesman:

that would mean you have two seperate tuners

[06:34:03]

rsc-232:

Video0 = Coax

[06:34:07]

rsc-232:

Video1 = FM?

[06:34:26]

cesman:

each tuner can/may have coax, composite and or svideo

[06:34:38]

cesman:

that would all depend on the model tuner

[06:34:38]

rsc-232:

this is a single tuner card

[06:35:23]

Faithful (Faithful!n=Faithful@ppp246-13.static.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:35:24]

cesman:

then it should be /dev/video0

[06:35:24]

rsc-232:

http://www.avermedia-usa.com/products/tvtuner . . . iteBox.shtml

[06:35:53]

rsc-232:

[06:35:55]

rsc-232:

LOL!

[06:36:04]

rsc-232:

hahahah they are saying MythTV is for windows LOL!

[06:36:19]

cesman:

if you are getting a blank screen, you need to take a look at the logs

[06:36:25]

cesman:

which distro are you using?

[06:36:34]

rsc-232:

Kubuntu 7.10/LinuxMCE

[06:36:43]

cesman:

if you've started mythfrontend from an xterm, you can also take a look at that

[06:37:12]

cesman:

well, I cannot say with certainity where they put the logs, I'd try /var/log/mythtv

[06:37:53]

rsc-232:

i turned it off cuz i was heading to bed

[06:38:00]

rsc-232:

talk more about this tomorrow when everyone is talking?

[06:38:15]

cesman:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/AVerMedia_M150-D

[06:38:24]

cesman:

that is up to you...

[06:38:27]

cesman:

good luck

[06:42:54]

rsc-232:

AHA

[06:43:12]

rsc-232:

./ /dev/video1 is the mpeg2 hardware encoder

[06:43:29]

rsc-232:

./ /dev/video0 is the v4l

[06:43:32]

rsc-232:

make sense?

[06:45:54]

rsc-232:

bed time!

[06:47:58]

grokky (grokky!n=grokky@batter.csse.unimelb.edu.au) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[06:53:38]

gardz (gardz!n=grimcogs@124-168-25-243.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:04:00]

degreseven (degreseven!n=Bryan@c-24-17-159-215.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has quit ("Leaving.")

[07:14:59]

siXy (siXy!n=siXy@88.211.54.196) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:16:27]

Iggle-Piggle (Iggle-Piggle!n=karlgeor@its.intell-time.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:23:24]

Iggle-Piggle (Iggle-Piggle!n=karlgeor@its.intell-time.co.uk) has quit ()

[07:23:42]

Faithful (Faithful!n=Faithful@ppp246-13.static.internode.on.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[07:32:42]

tanner (tanner!n=xero@c-24-20-184-182.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:33:34]

tanner:

anyone know of a way to transcode hi def media to say... xvid or so? (windows or linux applications)

[07:37:14]

xris:

tanner: nuvexport works great for me

[07:40:49]

xris (xris!n=xris@xris.forevermore.net) has quit ()

[07:41:01]

gandalfcome (gandalfcome!n=gandalfc@150.203.88.204) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[07:41:39]

tanner (tanner!n=xero@c-24-20-184-182.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[07:43:24]

crazy_bus (crazy_bus!n=chatzill@CPE-121-216-3-92.nsw.bigpond.net.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:43:57]

crazy_bus:

the epg on two stations is a hour off. Is there anyway to manually add a hour to it so I know which program is currently playing in mythtv? (currently using kaffeine and thinking of switching)

[07:49:13]

tanner (tanner!n=xero@c-24-20-184-182.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:51:22]

anykey_ (anykey_!n=guedel@kladde.org) has quit ("leaving")

[07:51:28]

anykey_ (anykey_!n=guedel@kladde.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:52:53]

anykey_ (anykey_!n=guedel@kladde.org) has quit (Client Quit)

[07:53:46]

pipsqeek (pipsqeek!n=pipsqeek@60-242-57-83.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:53:51]

pipsqeek:

Hi all

[07:57:21]

anykey_ (anykey_!n=guedel@kladde.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:58:54]

PaulWay (PaulWay!n=paulway@ppp59-167-37-83.lns2.cbr1.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:58:56]

PaulWay:

Hi all!

[07:59:32]

PaulWay:

How do I find out what the setting is for running mythfilldatabase is (i.e. when it gets run) in the database without looking at the setup menu?

[07:59:41]

PaulWay:

I.e. I'm ssh'ed into the machine remotely.

[07:59:55]

andy1 (andy1!n=andy@dynamic-208-4-252-249.tvscable.com) has quit ()

[08:00:02]

pipsqeek:

I have had my MythTV install for about a week. I have spent the last two days googling (poorly) to find out why the last time I booted up, the GUI for the Frontend and Backend no longer display the menus.

[08:00:11]

xand (xand!n=xand@raptor.ukc.ac.uk) has quit ("reboot")

[08:00:13]

pipsqeek:

I'm not sure what the solution is

[08:01:19]

PaulWay:

pipsqeek: Can you run the front end from the command line to watch the message log?

[08:02:42]

andy1 (andy1!n=andy@dynamic-208-4-252-249.tvscable.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:08:46]

PaulWay:

The answer to my question is: select * from settings where value like 'MythFill%' and hostname is null;

[08:09:18]

pipsqeek:

PaulWay: I can try, but atm it's recording a scheduled program

[08:11:26]

PaulWay:

That will affect the back end, the front end is quite independent.

[08:12:05]

tanner:

AC3 vs LPCM? (regarding compatibility and quality)

[08:12:06]

pipsqeek:

oh

[08:12:42]

PaulWay:

So you should be able to exit the front end, or kill the process from the command line, and the back end will keep recording quite happily.

[08:12:52]

PaulWay:

(The front end and back end can be on different machines.)

[08:12:57]

PaulWay:

And now I go to cook my dinner.

[08:13:06]

pipsqeek:

damn, I didn't realise the time. I have to go to training.

[08:13:23]

pipsqeek:

PaulWay: ha, just noticed. you're in Australia, like me!

[08:13:37]

PaulWay:

And you hang out on the linux-aus channel, like me :-)

[08:13:45]

pipsqeek:

use to

[08:14:20]

pipsqeek:

my opinions are too off the handle for some in there. :) so to keep the peace, I left :)

[08:16:26]

opentrinity (opentrinity!n=opentrin@host95-48-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:16:48]

grokky (grokky!n=grokky@ppp121-44-204-155.lns3.mel4.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:17:11]

andy1 (andy1!n=andy@dynamic-208-4-252-249.tvscable.com) has quit ()

[08:19:04]

tanner:

anyone know of a utility to rip the video stream from blu ray content? (also audio?)

[08:24:10]

grim[GameOp]_ (grim[GameOp]_!n=grimcogs@124-168-111-43.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:33:53]

gardz (gardz!n=grimcogs@124-168-25-243.dyn.iinet.net.au) has quit (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable))

[08:38:03]

hashbang (hashbang!n=nosuch@cse-ajb.cse.bris.ac.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:43:32]

crazy_bus (crazy_bus!n=chatzill@CPE-121-216-3-92.nsw.bigpond.net.au) has left #mythtv-users ()

[08:47:30]

nuonguy (nuonguy!n=john@c-24-6-175-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit ("This computer has gone to sleep")

[08:56:17]

hashbang:

heya all

[09:14:12]

EvilGuru (EvilGuru!n=EvilGuru@witherden.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:21:36]

grim[GameOp]_ (grim[GameOp]_!n=grimcogs@124-168-111-43.dyn.iinet.net.au) has quit ()

[09:28:16]

justinh:

mornin

[09:29:43]

EvilGuru:

Hi

[09:32:58]

jduggan:

morn

[09:34:24]

tanner:

anyone know what file format mpv is? mpeg2 video?

[09:35:13]

justinh:

mpeg2 video

[09:35:17]

directhex|work:

mpv?

[09:35:28]

justinh:

easy way to check. ffmpeg -i $filename :)

[09:35:38]

** directhex|work knows of no mpv container O_o **

[09:36:32]

justinh:

oh shite it's mpeg 1, not mpeg2

[09:36:37]

tanner:

mpv is currently the output of demuxing a blu ray disc

[09:36:54]

tanner:

and it is 1080p mpeg2

[09:37:01]

justinh:

well in that case it'll likely be h.264

[09:37:23]

tanner:

Stream #0.0: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 1920x1080, 40000 kb/s, 23.98 fps(r)

[09:37:56]

justinh:

hmmm. pretty sure bluray should be h.264 not mpeg2

[09:38:29]

tanner:

hmm

[09:38:57]

directhex|work:

justinh, it can be any of the three blu-ray codecs

[09:38:59]

tanner:

i'm curious if there is anyway to convert to xvid or so without losing any quality?

[09:39:10]

directhex|work:

mpeg2, h264, wmv9

[09:39:24]

justinh:

you always lose quality when you use a lossy codec

[09:39:24]

directhex|work:

what's with the fetishizing of mpeg4 part 2? O_o

[09:40:04]

tanner:

well, my xbox can play xvid files.. and id much rather watch the movie on my xbox and 42" lcd tv than my laptops screen

[09:40:14]

justinh:

afterdawn.com says of mpv files: "MPEG video streams with no audio."

[09:40:20]

directhex|work:

your xbox won't play HD

[09:40:42]

tanner:

?

[09:40:54]

directhex|work:

the xbox can't do HD

[09:40:57]

justinh:

xbox360 will, I imagine

[09:41:06]

tanner:

erm, yes, xbox360

[09:41:11]

directhex|work:

the 360 will also do h264

[09:41:13]

justinh:

bloody should, the cost of it

[09:41:23]

directhex|work:

HD h264, no less

[09:41:53]

tanner:

indeed, so would it be better to convert the mpeg2 to xvid or h264?

[09:42:16]

EvilGuru:

tank-man: h264 produces the best quality for a given bit rate in my experience

[09:42:59]

tanner:

alright, so next question, is there a howto on converting to h264?

[09:43:04]

justinh:

doom9.org

[09:44:03]

EvilGuru:

I tend to leave things in MPEG2, however

[09:44:30]

tanner:

my xbox360 wont play mpeg2

[09:44:38]

EvilGuru:

Sure?

[09:44:50]

tanner:

i believe so, ill double check

[09:44:54]

EvilGuru:

As DVDs use MPEG2 (if I recall)

[09:46:04]

tanner:

looks like you can only stream mpeg2 to the xbox via windows media center

[09:46:52]

justinh:

Vista MCE ftw!

[09:47:24]

tanner:

:-\

[09:49:39]

tanner:

anyhoo, need to convert this mpv and ac3 file to something the xbox will play :-\

[09:50:13]

croppa (croppa!n=stuart@135.27.233.220.exetel.com.au) has quit ("Konversation terminated!")

[09:51:19]

justinh:

and this is connected to mythtv how?

[09:51:54]

tanner:

the transcoding information would be well known here

[09:52:10]

directhex|work:

EvilGuru, the 360 will not play mpeg2 served over a network

[09:52:14]

directhex|work:

by design

[09:52:31]

directhex|work:

tanner, try ripbox264 for windows

[09:52:42]

EvilGuru:

the words defective by design come to mind, but never mind

[09:53:32]

tanner:

i do have a question regarding myth and hidef playback

[09:54:00]

tanner:

would a less powerful front end be able to play hi def content to a tv? (ie, the backend being a more powerful system taking the load)

[09:54:31]

anykey_:

tanner: no

[09:54:34]

directhex|work:

tanner, no

[09:55:06]

directhex|work:

tanner, any idea how much bandwidth uncompressed video would require?

[09:55:57]

directhex|work (directhex|work!n=jms@osc-bigmac.oerc.ox.ac.uk) has quit ("Leaving")

[09:56:50]

ICM (ICM!i=ian@c-24-0-34-161.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[09:57:21]

tanner:

gigabit connection suffice?

[09:57:43]

EvilGuru:

tanner: Nope

[09:58:09]

tanner:

just to stream?

[09:58:30]

EvilGuru:

To stream it uncompressed at 24 frames a second

[09:58:43]

directhex|work (directhex|work!n=jms@osc-bigmac.oerc.ox.ac.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:00:20]

tanner:

bummer

[10:00:38]

tanner:

transcode on the fly?

[10:00:53]

anykey_:

just buy a bluray player...

[10:00:58]

directhex|work:

possible, but not supported in myth

[10:01:52]

tanner:

whats the minimum bandwidth requirement then?

[10:02:09]

EvilGuru:

tanner: around 150MiB/s un-compressed

[10:03:34]

directhex|work:

tanner, 1920x1080x3x30 bytes per second. plus audio

[10:03:51]

EvilGuru:

ah yes, did not consider the audio, and said 24 FPS

[10:04:17]

directhex|work:

i assume 30fps. obviously lower the final number above to suit framerate

[10:04:20]

** tanner contemplates 2x full duplex 10Gbps cards **

[10:04:32]

directhex|work:

3 would be 24-bit color. double to 6 for 48-bit "deep color"

[10:04:33]

purserj (purserj!n=purserj@k-sit.com) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[10:04:55]

EvilGuru:

I've never got more than 80MiB/s for a 1G ethernet

[10:06:39]

directhex|work:

that's a decent rate though. the theoretical peak is 125

[10:07:49]

EvilGuru:

I am sure ethernet uses 8b/10b encoding?

[10:08:44]

EvilGuru:

well, gigabit anyway, may be wrong

[10:09:03]

directhex|work:

i rarely worry about network speed when using ethernet

[10:09:10]

directhex|work:

fast networks demand better tech

[10:12:31]

fxr_ (fxr_!n=fxr@78.144.187.152) has quit ("Leaving")

[10:16:34]

dustybin:

right, thats it, im now ready to blow up my TV with incorrect modelines

[10:17:11]

hashbang:

dustybin: yay!

[10:17:21]

jduggan:

hope you got a big budget for the 10G network

[10:17:56]

** dustybin backs up xorg.conf **

[10:18:11]

directhex|work:

10g's for girls

[10:18:58]

lyricnz (lyricnz!n=simonrob@d220-238-113-107.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:19:07]

justinh:

really it's not as much about how much bandwidth streaming uncompressed digital video will take – it's whether or not it's actually possible – which it ain't in any real terms

[10:19:27]

croppa (croppa!n=stuart@135.27.233.220.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:19:35]

** directhex|work hands justinh some QDR infiniband cards **

[10:20:03]

** dustybin strips out tv-out / svideo content from xorg.conf **

[10:21:10]

ireverentReveren (ireverentReveren!n=bah@12-219-28-217.client.mchsi.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:22:18]

Ozymandias (Ozymandias!n=bah@12-219-28-217.client.mchsi.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[10:22:54]

justinh:

directhex|work: pfft

[10:23:13]

dustybin:

ModeLine "720x576pali" 13.5 720 757 821 864 576 581 586 625 -hsync -vsync interlace <--- im going to use this to start off with

[10:23:27]

** dustybin smells smoke in the air **

[10:23:40]

tanner:

directhex|work: will that ripbo264 cause a significant loss of quality?

[10:23:49]

justinh:

anyway it's less about whether or not the hardware exists – mor to do with what software can make use of it :P

[10:24:07]

justinh:

tanner: only if you let it :)

[10:24:31]

tanner:

hmm, it seems to like the m2ts file but not the mpv :-\

[10:26:31]

justinh:

tanner: you should take a peek at the mythtv wiki page about bluray

[10:27:04]

tanner:

in regards to?

[10:27:37]

justinh:

just look

[10:27:59]

dagar (dagar!n=dagar@206-248-137-66.dsl.teksavvy.com) has quit (Connection timed out)

[10:28:37]

justinh:

ach to hell with this

[10:28:48]

dagar (dagar!n=dagar@206-248-137-66.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:28:48]

justinh (justinh!n=meh@spc1-salf3-0-0-cust997.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) has quit ("www.google.com - not as hard to use as it looks!")

[10:29:38]

Dagmar:

Yuck. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271

[10:33:03]

pipsqeek:

PaulWay: heya mate. you still around? I got back from training and started the Myth frontend. nothing happens actually. I enter the command in the terminal and it just hangs there.

[10:34:08]

dustybin is now known as DustyBin

[10:34:22]

DustyBin:

time to turn TV on.... :-S

[10:34:31]

hashbang:

DustyBin: it'll be fine.

[10:34:39]

hashbang:

. o O ( probably... )

[10:35:40]

DustyBin:

my lord

[10:35:45]

DustyBin:

the picture is on straight away

[10:35:51]

hashbang:

told ya.

[10:35:58]

DustyBin:

its all going off the edge but its there

[10:36:10]

DustyBin:

IT LOOKS BLOODY CLEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[10:36:18]

DustyBin:

NO NOISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[10:36:22]

hashbang:

DustyBin: just the GUI, or the video too?

[10:36:30]

DustyBin:

mythfrontend!!!

[10:36:36]

DustyBin:

havent tried the video yet

[10:36:50]

DustyBin:

i wasnt expecting to get this far straight away

[10:36:59]

jvs (jvs!n=jvs@cm64-247.liwest.at) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:37:05]

hashbang:

DustyBin: OK, do the video playback, and let me know if you see the scanline doubling/half vertical resolution bug I see...

[10:37:32]

hashbang:

DustyBin: disable deinterlacing first, for now, if you have that enabled.

[10:37:33]

DustyBin:

bloody heck

[10:37:41]

DustyBin:

i can actually read the text in the Me-Po theme now

[10:37:59]

DustyBin:

i got a recording playing now

[10:38:20]

DustyBin:

there is jitter at the moment but the picture quality looks ace

[10:38:43]

DustyBin:

but i have no de-interlacing switched on at all at the moment

[10:39:03]

hashbang:

DustyBin: look at some high-contrast text in an advert and see whether you've got full vertical resolution

[10:39:39]

k-man_ (k-man_!n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:39:54]

hashbang:

the black and white BBC logo is a good test; the letters should be nicely curved and not blocky

[10:40:22]

DustyBin:

ok ill tune into bbc news 24

[10:40:48]

DustyBin:

right i got bbc news 24 on

[10:40:59]

DustyBin:

all the text and logos look razor sharp

[10:41:00]

hashbang:

DustyBin: how's the ticker-tape?

[10:41:06]

DustyBin:

there is jitter on the ticker tape

[10:41:13]

DustyBin:

but only slight

[10:41:28]

hashbang:

right, the field order is probably out of sync

[10:41:49]

hashbang:

DustyBin: what video card and driver ver are you using

[10:41:50]

hashbang:

?

[10:41:53]

DustyBin:

actually, everything actually fits in the screen properly with bbc news

[10:42:17]

hashbang:

DustyBin: yeah, you probably need to play with your UI width/X&Y offsets

[10:42:28]

DustyBin:

ok ill paste everything

[10:42:30]

DustyBin:

hold on

[10:45:20]

DustyBin:

here is the relevant bits of my xorg.conf

[10:45:22]

DustyBin:

http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2521

[10:46:43]

DustyBin:

hardware im using a http://www.ebuyer.com/product/54837

[10:46:56]

DustyBin:

thats the wrong one

[10:47:10]

DustyBin:

im using a XFX fx5200, the one WITHOUT dvi output, just vga

[10:48:21]

DustyBin:

there is a lot more flicker on the mythfrontend menus, but the quality looks much better, all the text is clear, even really small text

[10:49:06]

DustyBin:

:-D

[10:49:47]

DustyBin:

i now have overscan problems on non-bbc channels as they dont use my 720x576 modeline

[10:49:58]

DustyBin:

bbc channels fit properly

[10:50:26]

Dagmar:

I can assure you that the X server is not switching modes when you change channels.

[10:50:29]

DustyBin:

bbc news tv fits the entire screen properly

[10:51:01]

DustyBin:

the colours and text look excellent

[10:51:20]

DustyBin:

now for bbc1

[10:51:36]

DustyBin:

..cash in the attic

[10:51:46]

doje (doje!n=doje@cpe-76-90-33-176.socal.res.rr.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[10:53:01]

DustyBin:

ii nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-3–686 1.0.8776–4+2.6.22–6~bpo40+1 NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.22

[10:53:35]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=hox@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[10:54:00]

DustyBin:

im looking forard to using this on my 24" CRT :D

[10:54:02]

directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, quick! add xrandr support to myth!

[10:54:14]

Dagmar:

Dear god no

[10:55:17]

DustyBin:

hashbang: should i now use some kind of de-interlacer?

[10:56:30]

DustyBin:

because the OSD is going off the screen, should i use nvidia-settings to make everything smaller? or use mythfrontend settings?

[10:56:59]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=hox@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:57:44]

k-man (k-man!n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[10:57:50]

pipsqeek:

interesting. MythTV installation has hosed my xorg and I can't restore it. hmmmm. at least this is a better experience since the last time I installed Myth. the entire machine was borked.

[11:00:09]

pipsqeek:

yay. now the whole system is screwed. staring at a blinking cursor now.

[11:00:09]

Dagmar:

Stop using a salad fork to install it then.

[11:00:16]

pipsqeek:

ah well, looks like I still can't get Myth volking. I'm such a n00b

[11:00:37]

ICM (ICM!i=ian@c-24-0-34-161.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #MythTV-users

[11:00:50]

pipsqeek:

well, techincally it did work. for 1 of the three days.

[11:02:04]

pipsqeek:

where does myth store recorded files? I might live boot this machine and recover what's already been recorded.

[11:02:39]

directhex|bsp:

depends on the distro

[11:02:45]

pipsqeek:

Kubuntu

[11:03:24]

directhex|bsp:

/var/lib/mythtv then, i think

[11:03:30]

pipsqeek:

ah cool

[11:03:41]

DustyBin:

i just used the mythtv screen wizard :D

[11:03:49]

DustyBin:

it works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[11:03:54]

pipsqeek:

cool

[11:04:02]

pipsqeek:

thanks directhex|bsp

[11:04:13]

pipsqeek:

/var/lib/mythtv/recordings/

[11:04:16]

nix4me:

Dagmar: I got that hauppauge hvr-1600 working.

[11:06:43]

** DustyBin is in shock **

[11:09:29]

pipsqeek:

crapola. This machine has been stable for 4 years running. And now it's hosed. :( first install in 4 years.

[11:14:47]

hashbang:

DustyBin: I find Linear Blend deinterlacing best, but YMMV

[11:14:53]

justinh (justinh!n=meh@spc1-salf3-0-0-cust997.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:16:14]

hashbang:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440008 # Nova-T-500/kernel 2.6.24/USB disconnect bugzilla filed for Fedora Core 8

[11:18:53]

odz (odz!n=odz@user-0cceps1.cable.mindspring.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:20:10]

pipsqeek:

well, now that i have to reinstall, I'm thinking a dedicated Mythbox is probably best, since I'm going to have to reinstall anyway. I want something tiny. But have enough power to record and view HDTV. what's the minimum spec CPU to go for?

[11:20:38]

DustyBin:

mythtv looks exactly same as a scart connected dvd player

[11:20:47]

justinh:

wha? have to reinstall? for why?

[11:21:20]

DustyBin:

justinh: if your rgb scart does ever go free, i seriously recommend staying away from s-video

[11:21:35]

pipsqeek:

justinh: for some reason I had myth running for a day, then I booted to record a show before I went to training tonight and I had no GUI in Myth. I rebooted, and now the system won't boot

[11:21:35]

justinh:

DustyBin: intel don't do interlaced. I told you

[11:21:40]

DustyBin:

oh yeah

[11:21:54]

pipsqeek:

booted a live CD just then and all the hardware is okay

[11:22:04]

pipsqeek:

so I'm just going to start fresh.

[11:22:40]

pipsqeek:

but I'd rather do it with a box that'll fit into my entertainment unit rather than the current set up which the wife isn't happy about.... a large tower sitting in the livingroom

[11:22:45]

DustyBin:

whites flicker quite a bit on menus, but that is exactly the same as a scart dvd player menu

[11:23:00]

pipsqeek:

so I'm thinking of a SFF machine, but I don't want something that's underpowered.

[11:23:42]

hashbang:

DustyBin: the menus will be more flickery – the SVideo/Composite output has flicker-fixing applied

[11:23:49]

pipsqeek:

the wiki page is recommending a Macmini. Nice, but hmm. don't think I can afford that

[11:24:09]

justinh:

DustyBin: which is precisely why single pixel lines are a bad idea in themes

[11:24:09]

DustyBin:

hashbang: aye yes, it can flicker as much as it wants, i dont care, everything else looks excellent

[11:24:30]

pipsqeek:

they mention VIA and EPIA boards, 600MHz to 1.4GHz but will a 1.4GHz machine be okay for HDTV?

[11:24:30]

DustyBin:

justinh: in Me-Po, single lines flicker like crazy

[11:24:39]

justinh:

pipsqeek: it doesn't get much smaller/nicer than a mac mini

[11:24:49]

justinh:

DustyBin: funny, that

[11:25:02]

pipsqeek:

justinh: yeah, true. I agree. but I don't think I can afford one at the moment

[11:25:30]

justinh:

DustyBin: old proverb say – if theme suck, make new one

[11:25:32]

TelnetManta (TelnetManta!n=benwilli@24-241-115-007.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) has quit ("Ex-Chat")

[11:26:05]

pipsqeek:

brb, dinner is ready

[11:27:44]

justinh:

DustyBin: up to now I've always antialiased everything

[11:31:01]

hashbang:

DustyBin: I worked around flickery UI by getting a 100Hz telly. :-)

[11:31:16]

DustyBin:

justinh advised me NOT to get a 100hz TV

[11:31:28]

hashbang:

DustyBin: of course, with all its smarts, it sometimes gets things completely wrong and stuff ends up looking better without the TV's flicker fixing.

[11:31:37]

DustyBin:

aye

[11:31:39]

justinh:

100hz TVs look shit with interlaced material, generally

[11:32:18]

hashbang:

justinh: it's a CRT, rather than an LCD. Usually it's pretty good, but some patterns just confuse it.

[11:32:28]

DustyBin:

linear blend makes thing look a little bit better

[11:32:38]

justinh:

hashbang: I was talking about CRT 100Hz TVs

[11:32:50]

hashbang:

justinh: ah, OK. Wasn't sure what your base assumption was.

[11:33:22]

justinh:

base assumption – having seen enough 100hz TVs struggle to display interlaced content properly & looking fucking horrible as a result

[11:33:28]

hashbang:

heh

[11:33:41]

hashbang:

this was one of the last, and from Panasonic, so maybe it's a bit better than most.

[11:33:58]

hashbang:

that said, I swear the built-in DVB-T tuner is connected via composite...

[11:33:59]

justinh:

aye not all were awful

[11:34:43]

hashbang:

it's all hackery and attempts at turd-polishing, though.

[11:35:10]

hashbang:

progressive, 1024x768 (or better), 100Hz broadcast video FTW

[11:35:29]

justinh:

no such thing :)

[11:35:46]

hashbang:

yet.

[11:35:49]

hashbang:

:-(

[11:36:03]

hashbang:

doesn't mean to say I can't wish for it, though, right?

[11:36:15]

justinh:

24 fps FTL :(

[11:36:20]

hashbang:

ouch

[11:36:33]

hashbang:

justinh: so, which frames do we show twice?

[11:37:11]

justinh:

feckknows

[11:37:21]

justinh:

every 3rd.. or something

[11:37:54]

justinh:

until film ups its standard framerate... 24fps.. hahahaha

[11:41:57]

Weezey (Weezey!n=ohno@CPE000d8838113a-CM001a666a93a8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[11:44:12]

DustyBin:

different channels have different resolutions on UK freeview, should i make a xorg.conf what matches the different resolutions: http://dtt.me.uk/?demux

[11:44:19]

justinh:

DustyBin: no point

[11:44:21]

DustyBin:

if so, how do i get xorg to change the res

[11:44:45]

DustyBin:

ok

[11:44:48]

justinh:

DustyBin: a STB doesn't change modes

[11:44:59]

DustyBin:

it doesnt, true

[11:45:32]

justinh:

doesn't/can't :P

[11:51:35]

DustyBin:

the Me-Po theme decided to use ultra thin white text for the guide.....

[11:51:50]

TelnetManta (TelnetManta!n=benwilli@72.159.132.4) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:52:44]

xand (xand!n=xand@raptor.ukc.ac.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:53:44]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=hox@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[11:55:30]

mnabil (mnabil!n=mnabil@196.219.70.206) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:55:41]

mnabil:

do any one recommend a DVB-S card , which compatible with linux?

[11:57:21]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=hox@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:59:09]

Davo_Dinkum (Davo_Dinkum!n=DavoDink@c220-237-139-183.sunsh4.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:59:10]

DustyBin:

mnabil: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-S_PCI_Cards

[11:59:57]

TelnetManta (TelnetManta!n=benwilli@72.159.132.4) has quit ("Ex-Chat")

[12:00:40]

tanner:

eek, 200F cpu core temps.....isnt transcoding fun =(

[12:01:12]

lyricnz (lyricnz!n=simonrob@d220-238-113-107.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au) has quit ()

[12:01:31]

EvilGuru:

Quite high

[12:03:45]

i3ooi3oo (i3ooi3oo!n=i3ooi3oo@153.59.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[12:06:25]

TelnetManta (TelnetManta!n=benwilli@72.159.132.4) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:08:23]

Jimbalaya (Jimbalaya!n=Miranda@static-69-95-215-38.spr.onecommunications.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:14:03]

kinneh (kinneh!n=han@gazonk.se) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[12:16:41]

mzb_d800:

tanner: get some freeze spray ;)

[12:16:51]

mzb_d800:

(or better cooling;)

[12:20:21]

justinh:

DustyBin: another thing that should never be done in themes IMHO is making text for features in images – the ultimate in hard-coding – no use for our non-English friends :P

[12:22:24]

Dagmar:

Except in the distant future, everyone speaks English.

[12:22:28]

Dagmar:

That's my excuse. :)

[12:22:37]

hashbang:

DustyBin: I just play everything at 720x576; I think Myth pads as required

[12:23:19]

hashbang:

DustyBin: and anyway, if you output a 544 line mode, I don't think your TV will cope

[12:23:32]

hashbang:

DustyBin: and if you do 704x576, then the aspect ration will be screwed

[12:23:59]

justinh:

just don't watch channel five or E4 :P

[12:24:13]

mzb_d800:

Dagmar: Pusti malaka!

[12:24:18]

mzb_d800:

jk

[12:24:29]

mzb_d800:

(and I can't spell anyway;)

[12:24:37]

justinh:

now if only ofcom would decree the max res of the quiz & shopping channels has to be 160x90 pixels...

[12:24:59]

justinh:

at a max of 8k bitrate..

[12:25:25]

hashbang:

heh

[12:25:30]

hashbang:

justinh: that much?

[12:25:57]

justinh:

true. wonder when the outcome of the Sky Picnic outrage will appear...

[12:26:40]

hashbang:

justinh: heck, BBC Parliament was what, 360x288 for ages?

[12:26:48]

justinh:

was it? result!

[12:27:11]

hashbang:

justinh: and I think that's somewhat more important programming than QVC or QuizCall...

[12:27:29]

justinh:

haysus... £8.99 delivery, plus VAT. :(

[12:27:52]

justinh:

had to change my CC address to work so I can be in when delivery is attempted

[12:28:09]

justinh:

sucky sucky. time to switch to a CC that allows 2 addresses

[12:28:20]

hashbang:

justinh: mine (Barclaycard) allows 2

[12:28:30]

justinh:

hashbang: not what I was told this morning

[12:28:45]

hashbang:

justinh: I think they probably make the rules up as they go along

[12:29:05]

justinh:

they probably don't have English as their first language

[12:29:20]

hashbang:

justinh: well, you can only have one billing address (duh), but you should be able to have a 'work address' recorded as an authorised delivery address.

[12:29:25]

justinh:

had to correct their spelling of 'unit'

[12:30:00]

justinh:

maybe I'll write to them then

[12:30:20]

justinh:

since the online stuff is borked

[12:32:13]

PaulWay (PaulWay!n=paulway@ppp59-167-37-83.lns2.cbr1.internode.on.net) has left #mythtv-users ("Argh! The Ninjas have struck again!")

[12:34:06]

DustyBin:

is there a quick way to jump down a list in mythmusic?

[12:35:56]

justinh:

dunno

[12:36:15]

justinh:

tried pg up & pg dn?

[12:36:46]

hashbang:

justinh: probably works. I program my remote's Vol+/- as PgUp/PgDn for this reason

[12:37:41]

DustyBin:

nope it doesnt

[12:37:49]

DustyBin:

pg up and down forwards or reverses music

[12:37:53]

hashbang:

gah

[12:37:56]

justinh:

ffs

[12:38:24]

justinh:

somebody needs to go through & unify key mappings of common functions like that

[12:39:14]

mzb_d800:

justinh: out of interest, how did they misspell "unit"? ;)

[12:39:25]

hashbang:

unti? unet?

[12:39:30]

DustyBin:

if i have all my music selected, mythmusic creates a big long list of music, its there isnt a way to scroll fast unless you just select the cd you want from the playlist menu

[12:39:31]

justinh:

unite

[12:39:47]

i3ooi3oo (i3ooi3oo!n=i3ooi3oo@182.sub-75-202-156.myvzw.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:41:34]

mzb_d800:

heh

[12:41:45]

DustyBin:

i do like comedy, any watching the new series of The Apprentice

[12:41:57]

mzb_d800:

I've also seen untie .... ah well

[12:42:08]

EvilGuru:

DustyBin: Is that the US or UK one?

[12:42:10]

mzb_d800:

it's like a ("typo") lottery?

[12:42:15]

DustyBin:

UK

[12:42:32]

mzb_d800:

we'd probably be all getting paid more as proof readers ;)

[12:43:58]

mnabil (mnabil!n=mnabil@196.219.70.206) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[12:45:17]

EvilGuru:

DustyBin: Good entertainment

[12:45:33]

DustyBin:

am i right in thinking that, UK freeview only broadcasts in 4:3 resolutions, if they do broadcast something in 16:9, they will also broadcast the black bars, so you will need to bastardize your TV to zoom and fill the screen properly?

[12:46:05]

hashbang:

DustyBin: DVB is anamorphic, but Myth knows what to do, AFAIK.

[12:46:16]

DustyBin:

oh ok

[12:46:35]

justinh:

DustyBin: doesn't matter what res they broadcast. the aspect ratio is determined by the broadcaster (and thus the shape of the pixels)

[12:47:09]

DustyBin:

ok

[12:47:16]

hashbang:

DustyBin: with my Panny TV, I leave it permanently locked to 16:9 and it mostly JFWs, apart from 4:3 and 14:9 material decoded by the internal DVB tuner

[12:47:39]

hashbang:

DustyBin: but your mileage will almost certainly vary

[12:48:50]

grokky (grokky!n=grokky@ppp121-44-204-155.lns3.mel4.internode.on.net) has quit ()

[12:49:04]

justinh:

at the other end of the scale channels like Dave broadcast everything in 4:3 and letterbox widescreen stuff :(

[12:49:41]

justinh:

so myth pillarboxes it on widescreen displays, leaving a small rectangle sitting in the middle of the screen. wankers

[12:49:41]

DustyBin:

hashbang: i rememeber you saying something about you had to double up something in the modeline because of a bug in the nvidia driver?

[12:50:26]

hashbang:

DustyBin: no, that modeline you're using works as-is

[12:51:02]

DustyBin:

"Xv bug, vertical resolution is halved"

[12:51:09]

hashbang:

DustyBin: but there's a bug in the driver that means that *Xv* output to interlaced displays (i.e. precisely the situation we're in) is half-vertical resolution, and blockier than it should be

[12:51:16]

DustyBin:

is my verical resolution halfed with that modeline?

[12:51:38]

hashbang:

DustyBin: to see what I'm on about, burn a MythTV recording to DVD then play it back in your RGB SCART-connected DVD player and compare

[12:52:05]

hashbang:

DustyBin: note that non-Xv output (e.g. the UI) is interlaced just fine.

[12:52:19]

DustyBin:

ok

[12:52:24]

hashbang:

DustyBin: likewise Xv to S-Video or Composite is fine, too

[12:52:42]

hashbang:

DustyBin: but there's a bug in the driver that means that *Xv* output to interlaced VGA displays (i.e. precisely the situation we're in) is half-vertical resolution, and blockier than it should be

[12:52:50]

EvilGuru:

I have a PAL-I television which I have connected using S-Video => Composite adapter to my graphics card (nvidia). What resolution should I be using?

[12:52:51]

** hashbang refines his statement **

[12:53:08]

hashbang:

EvilGuru: 720x576, probably

[12:53:14]

justinh:

EvilGuru: 720x576

[12:53:27]

EvilGuru:

Concordant answers, seems good

[12:53:33]

hashbang:

justdave: heh, no 'probably', even. :-)

[12:53:36]

laga (laga!n=laga@mythwiki.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[12:53:38]

justinh:

there should be a FAQ. OH WAIT THERE IS !

[12:53:43]

hashbang:

er, justinh, even.

[12:53:58]

laga:

justinh: hey. are the source files for project grayhme available somewhere?

[12:54:07]

justinh:

nope

[12:54:12]

EvilGuru:

The TV-out guide I read suggested 1024x768 :/

[12:54:18]

Kazan (Kazan!n=no@65.174.105.100) has quit ()

[12:54:46]

justinh:

laga: guess that means it's not GPL after all then :)

[12:55:02]

hashbang:

EvilGuru: fine for the UI, but switch to 720x576 for playback.

[12:55:11]

laga:

justinh: GPL is a bad choice for artwork anyways :)

[12:55:35]

EvilGuru:

I think I will go for 720x576 all the time, it should be big enough for the UI (I would hope)

[12:55:38]

justinh:

yeah but if you use CC, distros like ubuntu moan about it cos it's not 'free'

[12:55:53]

laga:

justinh: depends which CC license you use, no?

[12:56:23]

hashbang:

EvilGuru: the pixels won't be square on a 16:9 TV, so the text will be stretched in the UI

[12:56:31]

EvilGuru:

It is an old 4:3

[12:56:40]

hashbang:

EvilGuru: ah, 720x576 throughout, then.

[12:56:53]

EvilGuru:

Hopefully getting an HDTV soon

[12:58:22]

DustyBin:

who needs HD when you have VGA > RGB SCART

[12:58:34]

Dagmar:

People who kant reed

[12:58:59]

DustyBin:

Dagmar: are you being a silly sod

[12:59:09]

laga:

DustyBin: my TV makes awful noises with that converter ;)

[12:59:09]

hashbang:

DustyBin: heh. Don't get carried away there, old chap. :-)

[12:59:17]

justinh:

laga: anyway, why?

[12:59:18]

DustyBin:

laga: no noise here at all

[12:59:34]

Dagmar:

No, I'm being deadly serious

[12:59:35]

Dagmar:

There's craptons of people who come in here trying to do something suboptimal because they couldn't have been bothered to actually look into what they're doing.

[12:59:38]

laga:

DustyBin: guess i should try a TV which isn't 15 years old :)

[12:59:39]

hashbang:

laga: none here, either, and my circuit wasn't quite to spec. either.

[12:59:50]

DustyBin:

jeeze there is noise

[12:59:51]

hashbang:

(and that's discounting my lousy construction technique)

[12:59:59]

DustyBin:

white noise coming from the internal TV

[13:00:00]

DustyBin:

WTF IS THAT

[13:00:28]

justinh:

LOPT & HT PSU transformer

[13:00:29]

DustyBin:

lucky im using digital output for audio

[13:00:55]

laga:

i get lots of noise from the internal speakers in the TV, probably because the audio-in pins aren't connected to anything

[13:00:57]

hashbang:

DustyBin: ah, if you've not given an audio input to the SCART, it might be floating and picking up RF

[13:01:06]

laga:

but that's easily solved with a macro capable remote control :)

[13:01:10]

DustyBin:

hashbang: aye ok :D

[13:01:15]

laga:

DustyBin: yeah, same here :)

[13:01:19]

DustyBin:

there are audio inputs on the box :D

[13:01:26]

hashbang:

DustyBin: I connect my analogue outputs from my TV to the SCART

[13:01:27]

EvilGuru:

I do not think my TV even supports RGB scart inputs (just composite/s-video I believe)

[13:01:39]

hashbang:

EvilGuru: quite correct; usually cheaper models

[13:01:56]

hashbang:

EvilGuru: and some only support RGB on 1 or 2 of their 2 or 3 inputs

[13:02:02]

justinh:

annoying cos all TVs convert to RGB anyway

[13:02:06]

EvilGuru:

This has one SCART

[13:02:17]

Dagmar:

Well, not *all* of them do

[13:02:29]

laga:

justinh: we're gonna make a new mythbuntu theme for 8.04

[13:02:37]

Dagmar:

Some of them convert to Luma and call it a day

[13:02:42]

laga:

justinh: that's why i was asking. well, i guess it's not a "new" theme then ;)

[13:02:53]

justinh:

laga: all the source files are PSP anyway

[13:03:11]

justinh:

laga: which nobody 'in their right mind' would want to touch :P

[13:03:15]

laga:

heh

[13:03:23]

Dagmar:

Paint Shop Pro? Yuuuck

[13:03:35]

justinh:

better than Photoshop from my point of view

[13:03:36]

laga:

i was just told that we can work w/o the source files, so we'll be ok i guess

[13:03:43]

EvilGuru:

I remember using that at school 3–4 years ago

[13:04:00]

justinh:

laga: I'll try not to get mad when I see it then

[13:04:08]

laga:

justinh: thanks. :)

[13:04:08]

Dagmar:

I remember Paint Shop Pro sucking, and then sucking some more, and then almost sucking more than MSPaint, and then keeping on sucking

[13:04:33]

DustyBin:

time to test out a DVD

[13:04:35]

EvilGuru:

Sucks so hard it blows

[13:04:36]

Dagmar:

You could probably make some awesome April 1st themes with it tho

[13:05:04]

justinh:

Dagmar: really? well somebody should tell Adobe to make photoshop render editing windows better

[13:05:52]

justinh:

.. rather than the jaggy gashness they've got

[13:06:02]

Dagmar:

You should take a theme and use the color picker to pick some random color, and change it to that godawful shade of purple they use for transparency, so it'll look like most websites that use it wind up with

[13:06:50]

justinh:

Dagmar: I know I'm not a fan of the themes I did any more but I wouldn't say any of them look as completely gash as the core themes

[13:09:08]

DustyBin:

my dvd plays, it keeps on stopping with the audio, like a kind of video + audio jitter at the same time, weird

[13:09:12]

justinh:

it's not the tool anyway... it's the person using it :)

[13:10:54]

hashbang:

DustyBin: I noticed that once I started using SP/DIF output

[13:11:09]

hashbang:

DustyBin: dunno whether the two are related, but yours is another data point

[13:11:19]

DustyBin:

there have been some updates to the dvd ring buffer, i wonder if thats what it is

[13:11:31]

justinh:

noticed a really weird bug in 0.21 last night btw

[13:11:53]

justinh:

pause a recording being played back with timestretch.. aaand video framerate sinks to about 5fps

[13:12:02]

justinh:

(upon resuming playback)

[13:12:32]

hashbang:

oh, is anyone else having problems with updates from the Radio Times xmltv site?

[13:13:02]

hashbang:

seems like a script there is doing >>channel.dat rather than >channel.dat

[13:13:20]

hashbang:

hence channels are getting duplicate entries

[13:13:24]

justinh:

oh shit

[13:13:29]

justinh:

9 days' data left

[13:13:46]

justinh:

can stuff not just fucking work for a while without fucking breaking?!

[13:14:06]

hashbang:

justinh: it's known on the xmltv list, and fixed using a workaround in CVS, but it's not in the released version yet.

[13:14:14]

hashbang:

justinh: it would be nice, wouldn't it?

[13:14:30]

laga:

heh

[13:14:34]

hashbang:

ah, I think RT may have fixed it this morning

[13:15:24]

justinh:

RT channel ID '22' already seen in RT channels.dat, aborting at /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk_rt line 226.

[13:15:32]

justinh:

so no, they didn't

[13:17:17]

justinh:

or maybe they did but the grabber is borked anyway

[13:17:36]

DustyBin:

just when i thought everything was working properly

[13:17:38]

DustyBin:

Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2008-04–01 06:20 and ended on 2008-04–01 06:20. FAILED: xmltv returned error code 6400.

[13:17:42]

DustyBin:

There's guide data until 2008-04–10 02:35 (9 days).

[13:17:52]

justinh:

heh I get error 512

[13:18:22]

justinh:

there's prolly no harm in grabbing a nightly from cvs

[13:18:37]

DustyBin:

justinh: make sure there is something in /root/.xmltv or /root/.mythtv

[13:18:56]

justinh:

DUH

[13:19:01]

justinh:

I'm not a fucking muppet ya know

[13:19:02]

laga:

who runs mythfilldatabase as root? :)

[13:19:07]

DustyBin:

:o

[13:19:18]

Dagmar:

Proabably half the channel

[13:19:21]

DustyBin:

laga: when its run automatically its done as root

[13:19:32]

hashbang:

justdave: run it again now, and I think it'll be OK. May need to clean out .xmltv/supplement/tv_grab_uk_rt first

[13:19:37]

laga:

DustyBin: not here

[13:19:50]

hashbang:

DustyBin: yup. I wrap it in a script to su to the mythtv user

[13:20:34]

laga:

i let the backend run it :)

[13:22:26]

hashbang:

laga: the backend runs it as root. :-)

[13:22:36]

laga:

mine doesn't ;)

[13:23:22]

justinh:

had to clear out /home/mythtv/.xmltv/supplement/xmltv and tv_grab_uk_rt

[13:23:27]

justinh:

crazy

[13:25:43]

justinh:

laga: anyway, whatever you do to project grayhem it'd never look as bad as the 50s diner thing ;)

[13:31:35]

hashbang:

heh, mythweb seems to get the card names wrong for upcoming recordings

[13:32:42]

hashbang:

oh, hang on, my bad

[13:34:40]

justinh:

back to 14 days. thanks for the tip hashbang :)

[13:35:51]

hashbang:

justinh: no worries

[13:37:01]

justinh:

I thought the caching was supposed to alleviate problems with channels.dat :P

[13:41:28]

greend139 (greend139!n=greend13@pool-70-109-215-88.prvdri.east.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:44:06]

nordenm (nordenm!n=nordenm@ofylutib.brj.sgsnet.se) has quit ()

[13:46:24]

greend139 (greend139!n=greend13@pool-70-109-215-88.prvdri.east.verizon.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[13:50:21]

gandalfcome (gandalfcome!n=gandalfc@124-168-213-150.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:58:51]

revilootneg (revilootneg!n=oliver@pool-206-65-198-89.dbd-ipconnect.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:59:33]

gandalfcome_ (gandalfcome_!n=gandalfc@124-168-213-150.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:09:04]

gandalfcome (gandalfcome!n=gandalfc@124-168-213-150.dyn.iinet.net.au) has quit (Connection timed out)

[14:10:05]

dagar2 (dagar2!i=81611238@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-319be0afe190512c) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:12:14]

melunko_ (melunko_!n=hmelo@200.184.118.132) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:13:49]

drunken_wallaby (drunken_wallaby!n=drunken_@chello080108033192.10.11.vie.surfer.at) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:14:29]

revilootneg (revilootneg!n=oliver@pool-206-65-198-89.dbd-ipconnect.net) has quit ("leaving")

[14:15:20]

drunken_wallaby:

hi everybody. is anyone here having success with mcp61 onboard-audio? I get a lot of NVP-prebuffering errors and I am pretty sure that it is the sound because if I disable sound, the prebuffering errors vanish. Has anyone else stumbled upon this problem?

[14:31:15]

gandalfcome (gandalfcome!n=gandalfc@124-168-221-233.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:35:01]

gnome42 (gnome42!n=gnome42@76-10-146-80.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:38:18]

drunken_wallaby (drunken_wallaby!n=drunken_@chello080108033192.10.11.vie.surfer.at) has quit ("leaving")

[14:40:07]

nordenm (nordenm!n=nordenm@ofylutib.brj.sgsnet.se) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:44:08]

EvilGuru:

When I set my TV to a resolution of 720x576 the image is too wide and so goes off the screen

[14:44:23]

EvilGuru:

However, it is a PAL-I TV and therefore should have that resoltuin

[14:44:33]

PatrickDK:

no you shouldn't

[14:44:40]

PatrickDK:

you never heard of overscan?

[14:44:47]

EvilGuru:

I have looked it up

[14:44:56]

EvilGuru:

But according to the nvidia manual it is 0.0 by default

[14:45:16]

EvilGuru:

which means no overscan (which from what I can tell is what I want)

[14:48:06]

gandalfcome_ (gandalfcome_!n=gandalfc@124-168-213-150.dyn.iinet.net.au) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[14:48:57]

justinh:

how far off the screen does it go? cos you can compensate for that more easily these days as far as the mythtv gui goes ;)

[14:49:44]

justinh:

btw laga that 'bug' with the appearance thingy – that's been there from the outset. gbee says he might have thought of a way around it

[14:50:37]

EvilGuru:

justinh: 50 pixels maybe

[14:51:00]

EvilGuru:

1024x768 is fine (I guess the GPU does some scaling, as is 704x576)

[15:04:43]

Raspberry (Raspberry!n=raspberr@wireless.wizardtechnologies.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:12:05]

Raspberry (Raspberry!n=raspberr@wireless.wizardtechnologies.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[15:14:40]

melunko_ (melunko_!n=hmelo@200.184.118.132) has quit ("Ex-Chat")

[15:21:22]

siXy (siXy!n=siXy@88.211.54.196) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[15:22:06]

dagar2 (dagar2!i=81611238@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-319be0afe190512c) has quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")

[15:22:07]

AndyCap:

EvilGuru: and this is connected how?

[15:22:19]

AngryElf (AngryElf!n=jsharpe@ip24-255-126-187.dc.dc.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:22:56]

EvilGuru:

Via a composite cable using an S-Video => Composite adapter which goes into my VCR which is connected via SCART to my TV

[15:22:59]

AndyCap:

'm not sure that the tv-encoder will play nice with pal resolution as opposed to

[15:23:26]

AndyCap:

regular "pc" resolutions like 800x600/1024x768.

[15:23:59]

EvilGuru:

Okay

[15:24:40]

hashbang:

EvilGuru: ick. Get a card with TV out, otherwise output frame rate is going to be decoupled from the software frame rate

[15:24:56]

hashbang:

EvilGuru: or a VGA->SCART adaptor/cable

[15:25:15]

EvilGuru:

The frame rate will be off, I guessed thatr

[15:25:22]

hashbang:

oh, hang on, one of those little cables, rather than one of those Trust boxes...

[15:25:27]

hashbang:

they're fine.

[15:25:34]

laga:

the frame rate will be off if he's using a tv-out as well, right? or rather, the field rate

[15:25:43]

EvilGuru:

Yellow RCA jack (composite)

[15:25:46]

Raspberry (Raspberry!n=raspberr@wireless.wizardtechnologies.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:25:49]

hashbang:

laga: Not so, if you're using nVidia, I gather

[15:26:12]

laga:

is there a reliable way to find out? :)

[15:26:29]

laga:

hashbang: if X reports a 60Hz modeline and you're using a 50Hz TV set..

[15:38:15]

gandalfcome (gandalfcome!n=gandalfc@124-168-221-233.dyn.iinet.net.au) has quit ()

[15:39:31]

hashbang:

laga: most PAL sets will sync to 60Hz

[15:39:40]

nuonguy (nuonguy!n=john@c-24-6-175-26.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:40:02]

hashbang:

laga: a Bush portable I had from 1990 or so could, anyway.

[15:40:26]

hashbang:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL#Multisystem_ . . . .22PAL_60.22

[15:40:44]

justinh:

mm portable bush :)

[15:41:02]

hashbang:

justinh: he fits in my pocket and bombs brown people.

[15:41:29]

laga:

hashbang: yeah, but the tv-out encoder will create PAL-compatible timings so you have a mismatch between the refresh rate reported by X and the refresh rate sent to the TV.. ;)

[15:42:11]

hashbang:

laga: I guess that would be card (or rather TVO encoder)-specific

[15:42:26]

hashbang:

laga: not sure why you'd be using a 60Hz modeline in a country with 50Hz TVs, though.

[15:42:53]

laga:

hashbang: newer nvidia drivers don't let you use modelines with the tv-out anymore.

[15:43:12]

laga:

they've got a bunch of standard modelines in their modepool and AFAIR, these are 60Hz

[15:43:16]

laga:

i could be wrong, though

[15:43:25]

laga:

haven't had to use nvidia tv-out in a long time :)

[15:43:29]

hashbang:

hm, that sucks

[15:44:06]

laga:

i think my the tv-out of my intel laptop will also use 60Hz.. i'm gonna try that later

[15:57:05]

mkrufky (mkrufky!n=mk@unaffiliated/mkrufky) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:57:09]

tjarvi (tjarvi!n=tjarvi@144.212.3.4) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:01:44]

hashbang (hashbang!n=nosuch@cse-ajb.cse.bris.ac.uk) has quit ("Client exiting")

[16:03:28]

justinh:

oh jesus

[16:03:46]

directhex|work:

what about him?

[16:03:50]

justinh:

just looked in the log for that silly playback problem after pausing a timestretched recording...

[16:03:50]

chuk (chuk!n=chuk@c-71-234-253-222.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[16:04:00]

justinh:

2008-03–31 20:57:32.047 NVP: Video is 3.28557 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up aplenty

[16:04:54]

directhex|work:

every piece of buffering-related code in myth needs gutting

[16:05:06]

laga:

heh

[16:05:21]

justinh:

a 1.83Ghz C2D should N O T have problems playing back SDTV mpeg2 ffs!

[16:05:30]

laga:

i had a similar problem last night, i just paused for a second and then it worked. didnt use timestretch, though

[16:05:49]

justinh:

I might have a go at gutting the variable length buffer crap

[16:12:57]

kabtoffe (kabtoffe!n=kbergstr@hoas-fe2add00-192.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[16:14:30]

kabtoffe (kabtoffe!n=kbergstr@hoas-fe2add00-192.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:17:36]

[gquit]bombadil_ ([gquit]bombadil_!n=dana@CPE-70-94-44-157.wi.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[16:21:57]

justinh:

stuff where bitrate changes get in the way – they're just not on IMHO

[16:22:41]

tjarvi (tjarvi!n=tjarvi@144.212.3.4) has quit ("Leaving")

[16:22:56]

justinh:

I dunno if we've been over this before but I can't see any reason to have a variable length buffer for playing back recordings

[16:27:55]

Fnc-1 (Fnc-1!n=Fnc-1@63.99.187.98) has quit ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com")

[16:31:23]

justinh:

http://pastebin.ca/966234 is basically what happened – playing fine until it's paused...

[16:33:56]

justinh:

what does all this mean? UUUUUUUUUUUUUUAUUUUUUUUUUuUULUU

[16:34:06]

iamlindoro__:

MythPrimalScream

[16:34:11]

laga:

rotfl

[16:34:21]

justinh:

lmao!

[16:34:42]

laga:

i think that describes the different frame types, but idk

[16:35:23]

justinh:

I'll have a trawl through the commit logs to see if a pause/unpause bug was fixed

[16:35:31]

justinh:

if not, there'll be a new ticket

[16:36:03]

Como|lappy (Como|lappy!n=como@cpe-74-65-146-11.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:40:15]

justinh:

well well, time for home

[16:40:29]

javatexan (javatexan!n=aars@thunder.ecs.baylor.edu) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:47:32]

mkrufky is now known as mkrufky-gone

[16:48:58]

revilootneg (revilootneg!n=oliver@pool-206-65-198-89.dbd-ipconnect.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:48:59]

javatexan (javatexan!n=aars@thunder.ecs.baylor.edu) has quit ("Leaving.")

[16:51:58]

lcase (lcase!n=l-case@p5B0EB6EB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:52:09]

javatexan (javatexan!n=aars@thunder.ecs.baylor.edu) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:53:27]

ol_schoola (ol_schoola!n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has quit ()

[16:55:37]

ol_schoola (ol_schoola!n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:07:05]

i3ooi3oo_ (i3ooi3oo_!n=i3ooi3oo@62.sub-70-220-255.myvzw.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:08:23]

GlemSom (GlemSom!n=glemsom@50A2C91E.flatrate.dk) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:19:59]

i3ooi3oo (i3ooi3oo!n=i3ooi3oo@182.sub-75-202-156.myvzw.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[17:20:32]

simcop2387 (simcop2387!n=simcop23@p3m/member/simcop2387) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[17:21:33]

melunko_ (melunko_!n=hmelo@200.184.118.132) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:24:06]

simcop2387 (simcop2387!n=simcop23@p3m/member/simcop2387) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:26:09]

Andui1 (Andui1!n=awithers@adsl-69-110-38-220.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:27:23]

GlemSom (GlemSom!n=glemsom@50A2C91E.flatrate.dk) has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:27:23]

Anduin (Anduin!n=awithers@adsl-69-110-38-220.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:27:23]

J-e-f-f-A|work (J-e-f-f-A|work!n=J-e-f-f-@pool-72-93-86-233.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:27:23]

kmyth (kmyth!n=kmyth@ip72-207-244-77.br.br.cox.net) has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:27:23]

quigleymd (quigleymd!n=quigley@c-24-125-204-247.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:27:23]

Deek (Deek!i=deek@71-90-101-248.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:27:23]

ccooke (ccooke!n=ccooke@spc1-walt10-0-0-cust85.asfd.broadband.ntl.com) has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:27:23]

dec- (dec-!n=tom@ppp121-45-169-175.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:27:23]

opello (opello!n=opello@about/csharp/regular/opello) has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:27:23]

kurre2 (kurre2!n=tomimo@xdsl-83-150-88-111.nebulazone.fi) has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:27:24]

jarle (jarle!n=jarle@70.84-234-133.customer.lyse.net) has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:27:24]

cafuego (cafuego!n=cafuego@web-03.cc.com.au) has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:27:24]

chicken|work (chicken|work!n=lastlee@206.57.118.170) has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:27:24]

clever (clever!n=clever@fctnnbsc16w-156034226188.nb.aliant.net) has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:27:24]

kslater (kslater!n=kslater@24.svnf1.xdsl.nauticom.net) has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:27:24]

Possum (Possum!n=possum@pool-71-251-73-38.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:27:24]

mzb_d800 (mzb_d800!n=mzb@ppp108-88.static.internode.on.net) has quit (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)

[17:27:31]

GlemSom (GlemSom!n=glemsom@50A2C91E.flatrate.dk) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:27:31]

Anduin (Anduin!n=awithers@adsl-69-110-38-220.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:27:31]

cafuego (cafuego!n=cafuego@web-03.cc.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:27:31]

quigleymd (quigleymd!n=quigley@c-24-125-204-247.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:27:31]

mzb_d800 (mzb_d800!n=mzb@ppp108-88.static.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:27:31]

jarle (jarle!n=jarle@70.84-234-133.customer.lyse.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:27:31]

clever (clever!n=clever@fctnnbsc16w-156034226188.nb.aliant.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:27:31]

dec- (dec-!n=tom@ppp121-45-169-175.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:27:31]

Deek (Deek!i=deek@71-90-101-248.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:27:31]

kurre2 (kurre2!n=tomimo@xdsl-83-150-88-111.nebulazone.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:27:31]

ccooke (ccooke!n=ccooke@spc1-walt10-0-0-cust85.asfd.broadband.ntl.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:27:31]

opello (opello!n=opello@about/csharp/regular/opello) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:27:31]

kmyth (kmyth!n=kmyth@ip72-207-244-77.br.br.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:27:31]

Possum (Possum!n=possum@pool-71-251-73-38.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:27:31]

chicken|work (chicken|work!n=lastlee@206.57.118.170) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:27:31]

J-e-f-f-A|work (J-e-f-f-A|work!n=J-e-f-f-@pool-72-93-86-233.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:27:31]

kslater (kslater!n=kslater@24.svnf1.xdsl.nauticom.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:28:33]

Anduin (Anduin!n=awithers@adsl-69-110-38-220.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has quit (Connection reset by peer)

[17:28:55]

Possum (Possum!n=possum@pool-71-251-73-38.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[17:29:10]

Possum (Possum!n=possum@pool-71-251-73-38.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:29:18]

directhex (directhex!n=directhe@bb-87-82-16-197.ukonline.co.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:29:20]

keith4 (keith4!n=kbe2@lust.CC.Lehigh.EDU) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:29:26]

quigleymd (quigleymd!n=quigley@c-24-125-204-247.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[17:29:37]

quigleymd (quigleymd!n=quigley@c-24-125-204-247.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:30:07]

markwaters (markwaters!n=markwate@nezmar.netlab.cz) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:31:22]

rsc-232:

hi

[17:32:39]

markwaters (markwaters!n=markwate@nezmar.netlab.cz) has left #mythtv-users ()

[17:33:29]

lcase (lcase!n=l-case@p5B0EB6EB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has left #mythtv-users ()

[17:35:46]

robbins876_ (robbins876_!n=robbins8@host-51-214-9-69.midco.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:37:18]

robbins61 (robbins61!n=robbins8@host-51-214-9-69.midco.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[17:40:31]

XLV (XLV!n=XLV@88.218.56.148) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:55:41]

i3ooi3oo_ is now known as I3ooI3oo

[17:58:10]

rsc-232 (rsc-232!i=RSC@65-78-101-58.c3-0.drf-ubr2.atw-drf.pa.cable.rcn.com) has quit (No route to host)

[18:00:45]

a1fa_ (a1fa_!n=a1fa@tiltinghorizons.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:00:50]

a1fa_:

blah blah blahhhhhh :p

[18:00:54]

a1fa_:

whats up bra

[18:02:57]

ajh (ajh!n=ajh@CPE000f662bc905-CM00111a5c57fe.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[18:07:37]

hashbang (hashbang!n=nosuch@213-152-35-50.dsl.eclipse.net.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:10:38]

LonEagle:

can you run current myth on ubuntu dapper?

[18:11:00]

iamlindoro__:

If you mean .21, I don't see why not

[18:11:33]

iamlindoro__:

SVN trunk might or might not be problematic, but I would imagine .21 ought to work

[18:12:27]

LonEagle:

yeah i think i mean .21

[18:12:51]

LonEagle:

yeah .21 supports the hdhomerun

[18:12:52]

directhex:

you'd need to build it yourself AFAIK

[18:13:05]

directhex:

dpkg-buildpackage ought to work, though will need some deps

[18:13:15]

iamlindoro__:

directhex is probably right, I'm 99.99999% certain gutsy is the only one with a backport of .21

[18:13:25]

TelnetManta:

man, can you believe this?

[18:13:27]

TelnetManta:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2280397, . . . 9TX1K0000584

[18:13:34]

iamlindoro__:

I believe nothing today

[18:13:43]

LonEagle:

yeah i believe nothing today either

[18:13:45]

iamlindoro__:

4-1–08, dude

[18:13:56]

Como|lappy (Como|lappy!n=como@cpe-74-65-146-11.maine.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[18:13:58]

LonEagle:

i don't really need a packaged version, i suppose i can build it

[18:14:06]

Como|lappy (Como|lappy!n=como@cpe-74-65-146-11.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:14:27]

LonEagle:

i haven't turned this system on for a while so i need to do updates

[18:14:37]

LonEagle:

and then see where i sit with myth

[18:15:01]

Como|lappy (Como|lappy!n=como@cpe-74-65-146-11.maine.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[18:15:03]

AngryElf (AngryElf!n=jsharpe@ip24-255-126-187.dc.dc.cox.net) has quit ("Lost terminal")

[18:15:06]

Como|lappy (Como|lappy!n=como@cpe-74-65-146-11.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:15:27]

justinh:

my backend is happily running 0.21 on diaper. no packages involved

[18:15:33]

Como|lappy (Como|lappy!n=como@cpe-74-65-146-11.maine.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[18:15:41]

Como|lappy (Como|lappy!n=como@cpe-74-65-146-11.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:16:04]

andy1 (andy1!n=andy@dynamic-208-4-252-249.tvscable.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:16:25]

Como|lappy (Como|lappy!n=como@cpe-74-65-146-11.maine.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[18:16:39]

LonEagle:

i fear that i'm going to discover this box can't handle digital tv anyway

[18:16:48]

LonEagle:

it was running with a pvr-150 pretty nicely

[18:16:54]

Como (Como!n=como@cpe-74-65-146-11.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:17:24]

justinh:

if my old 800mhz box can deal with 10 recordings from one card at the same time...

[18:17:48]

iamlindoro__:

TelnetManta, in other "total BS news," The Senate bill numbers are in the 2000s right now, certainly haven't reached 40108-- you've been punk'd!

[18:18:18]

iamlindoro__:

not to mention, hellooo, bill 40108?

[18:18:19]

justinh:

but it isn't the 4th of January today :-\

[18:18:21]

iamlindoro__:

4-10–08

[18:18:25]

iamlindoro__:

er 4-01–08

[18:19:00]

TelnetManta:

iamlindoro__: was good fun though eh????

[18:19:01]

TelnetManta:

lol

[18:19:09]

Como|lappy (Como|lappy!n=como@cpe-74-65-146-11.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:19:15]

TelnetManta:

Iwork in a technology dept so we had lots of fun with that one...

[18:19:23]

TelnetManta:

*I work

[18:19:30]

iamlindoro__:

i have trouble believing anyone would actually buy that

[18:19:36]

LonEagle:

justinh: i was also using that as a front end

[18:20:23]

justinh:

it coped just fine

[18:20:24]

TelnetManta:

iamlindoro__: Yeah

[18:20:36]

iamlindoro__:

But I expect little from Dvorak

[18:20:46]

justinh:

er.. coped so long as no transcoding or commflagging was done anyway ;)

[18:21:14]

iamlindoro__:

author of gems like "Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone," and "Will Apple Adopt Windows?"

[18:21:31]

iamlindoro__:

and "time to short apple stock" mid last year

[18:21:34]

Como (Como!n=como@cpe-74-65-146-11.maine.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[18:21:48]

justinh:

Dvorak's keyboard sucks – he got all the keys in totally the wrong place

[18:22:03]

justinh:

so I'd also expect his news items to be full of typos :P

[18:22:58]

iamlindoro__:

"Eat up martha"

[18:24:13]

odz (odz!n=odz@user-0cceps1.cable.mindspring.com) has quit ()

[18:27:25]

solexious (solexious!n=charlesy@ip-89-168-41-90.cust.homechoice.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:29:30]

LonEagle:

justinh: that's the problem... digital tv, i'm going to have one channel only in HD

[18:29:40]

LonEagle:

all the other channels seem to be both in SD and HD

[18:31:30]

LonEagle:

i could just live without nbc probably

[18:31:49]

LonEagle:

i really just want to record a bunch of pbs junk now

[18:32:27]

squidly (squidly!n=squidly@adsl-76-224-12-10.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:32:50]

feiner (feiner!n=feiner@12-214-64-245.client.mchsi.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[18:33:09]

henkie is now known as henkie-

[18:35:28]

justinh:

a bunch of junk eh. that pretty much sums up TV :)

[18:36:10]

solexious (solexious!n=charlesy@ip-89-168-41-90.cust.homechoice.net) has quit ()

[18:37:39]

LonEagle:

lol

[18:37:46]

LonEagle:

yeah that's why my myth box hasn't been running for a while

[18:38:35]

Como|lappy (Como|lappy!n=como@cpe-74-65-146-11.maine.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[18:39:20]

clever:

my transcodes are all segfaulting!

[18:39:44]

justinh:

mine aren't!

[18:40:09]

clever:

im on trunk

[18:40:10]

clever:

qt4 now

[18:40:22]

clever:

Segmentation fault (core dumped)

[18:40:24]

clever:

got a core

[18:42:09]

clever:

(gdb) bt full

[18:42:09]

clever:

#0 0xb67a9bfd in lame_encode_buffer_interleaved () from /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0

[18:42:12]

clever:

No symbol table info available.

[18:42:19]

iamlindoro__:

Hmmm, what's that? The clock's struck the hour and clever is back with some boo hoo about trunk? What *will* they think of next.

[18:42:27]

ol_schoola (ol_schoola!n=meatwad@c-67-167-20-91.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has quit ()

[18:42:49]

clever:

lol

[18:43:01]

directhex:

if only someone had warned clever not to run trunk right now

[18:43:04]

clever:

without me you would never find half the bugs in trunk:P

[18:43:05]

directhex:

if only he had KNOWN! :'(

[18:43:07]

LonEagle:

if i'm going to build .21, should i grab the tarball or grab the svn .21-bugfixes tree

[18:43:13]

justinh:

trunk, unstable?! 8-O

[18:43:19]

clever:

i can live without transcodes for a few days

[18:43:22]

justinh:

LonEagle: never the tarball

[18:43:29]

directhex:

LonEagle, the debian package files from ubuntu hardy.

[18:43:34]

iamlindoro__:

Some people are big enough not to say I told you so. I am not such a man.

[18:43:44]

LonEagle:

really

[18:43:47]

justinh:

directhex: but they is bwoked

[18:43:55]

directhex:

justinh, howso?

[18:44:09]

justinh:

don't yet have the db scheme upgrade fail bugfix AFAIK

[18:44:15]

LonEagle:

why would i rather rebuild from there?

[18:44:17]

LonEagle:

ew

[18:44:50]

justinh:

I really dunno why such a fuss is made over building from source. you get newer, more fresh & crispy that way

[18:44:54]

directhex:

justinh, so add that patch. or check in laucnhpad.net for newer yet-to-land packages

[18:45:17]

justinh:

why bother? just grab the svn

[18:45:22]

directhex:

justinh, because sticking dodgy third party things into init always feels dirty. standalone apps i can deal with it

[18:45:32]

justinh:

pfft

[18:45:37]

LonEagle:

what?

[18:45:41]

LonEagle:

this is a mythtv only system

[18:45:48]

LonEagle:

why would i care if myth jammed some crap into init?

[18:45:55]

directhex:

there are also a fair number of integration improvements

[18:46:18]

justinh:

directhex: preaching to the converted. I've seen that. To an experienced user it offers nothing

[18:46:48]

justinh:

I know people work real hard on it all the time yada yada & it's great for noobs & people who can't be arsed

[18:47:15]

directhex:

life's too short. i'd rather make superm1 fuck about chasing -fixes rather than do it myself

[18:47:19]

directhex:

it's called delegation!

[18:47:31]

justinh:

besides, when you build from source you get to feck about with the code ;)

[18:47:57]

justinh:

... like trying to fix the inherently bug-ridden code you committed before the release..

[18:48:08]

justinh:

s/you/I

[18:48:16]

justinh:

s/bug/limitation

[18:48:46]

dec-_ (dec-_!n=tom@ppp121-45-135-8.lns11.adl6.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:48:59]

justinh:

life isn't too short for building myth. Every binary on a box – yeah definitely too short for that ;)

[18:49:39]

iamlindoro__:

I read the funniest sticky on the Ubuntu forums once warning people not to rm -rf / if someone told them to do it

[18:49:54]

directhex:

i have more than one machine in the house. i'd rather work with packages

[18:49:55]

justinh:

besides, using packages from repos other than the distro you currently run isn't the greatest idea ever conceived

[18:50:02]

directhex:

and i DO modify the source packages with my own local patches

[18:50:27]

iamlindoro__:

"Warning Ubuntu users! If someone asks you to smash your hard drive with a ball-peen hammer, do not do so! This may cause damage to your system and render it unbootable!"

[18:50:32]

justinh:

yeah I can see me having to do that when I play with the buffer code

[18:50:59]

DustyBin:

what is a dvd ring buffer?

[18:51:16]

justinh:

DustyBin: it means your system is too slow to play a dvd

[18:51:26]

LonEagle:

heh

[18:51:36]

justinh:

that, or myth's variable length bufferring is giving you grief too

[18:52:19]

justinh:

come to think of it – I've not yet tried dvd playback since I upgraded

[18:52:20]

justinh:

oh God

[18:52:25]

iamlindoro__:

where the variable = required buffer for smooth playback minus amusing random amount

[18:52:56]

DustyBin:

i think greyfox has done some modifications to the dvd ring buffer coder recently

[18:52:58]

justinh:

variable length buffering isn't a bad idea per se, but when the seeks overshoot & undershoot...

[18:53:48]

DustyBin:

...no wonder hes called 'grey'fox..

[18:53:50]

andy1 (andy1!n=andy@dynamic-208-4-252-249.tvscable.com) has quit ()

[18:54:25]

Demigodzilla (Demigodzilla!i=The_Rebe@S0106001109034992.vf.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:54:41]

bobgill_ (bobgill_!n=bobby@CPE000802b64568-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:55:52]

iamlindoro__ (iamlindoro__!n=robert@140.239.95.222) has quit ("Me home go.")

[19:00:06]

LonEagle:

i should back up my database

[19:00:23]

justinh:

everybody should back up their database regularly

[19:00:25]

LonEagle:

before i start thrashing about

[19:00:34]

fryfrog:

backups are for people who expect to fail!

[19:00:39]

dec- (dec-!n=tom@ppp121-45-169-175.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[19:00:43]

justinh:

well, that is unless they really enjoy setting everything up from scratch!

[19:01:04]

justinh:

wise people do not discount the possibility of failure

[19:01:19]

justinh:

arrogant people who never make backups deserve everything they get :)

[19:03:33]

LonEagle:

there we go

[19:04:14]

Rebel52 (Rebel52!i=The_Rebe@S0106001109034992.vf.shawcable.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[19:06:14]

bobgill (bobgill!n=bobby@CPE000802b64568-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[19:11:53]

LonEagle:

iamlindoro: i saw that sticky too y'know. i thought it was kind of odd

[19:13:17]

Yahooadam (Yahooadam!n=Adam@host86-134-128-65.range86-134.btcentralplus.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:13:52]

Yahooadam:

clever – are you around?

[19:14:13]

clever:

Yahooadam: yep

[19:14:27]

Yahooadam:

was it you that was having problem with mythtv tuning DVB-T?

[19:14:40]

clever:

never had a dvb card

[19:14:50]

Yahooadam:

dang, cant remember who was talking about it

[19:14:53]

clever:

but my lirc_i2c causes a kernel oops

[19:15:02]

DustyBin:

oops

[19:15:09]

clever:

and my mythtranscode segfaults near liblame

[19:15:10]

Yahooadam:

dont u just love lirc :p

[19:15:23]

clever:

lirc had to be rebuild after i upgraded my kernel

[19:15:28]

LonEagle:

i hate lirc

[19:15:32]

clever:

and now ive only got serial ir blasting

[19:15:36]

Demigodzilla (Demigodzilla!i=The_Rebe@S0106001109034992.vf.shawcable.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[19:15:49]

Yahooadam:

clever – took me like 2 days to fix serial IR blasting when i moved to gutsy

[19:15:49]

clever:

and mythfrontend sucks too much cpu anyway so i cant realy watch on that box

[19:15:53]

LonEagle:

i need to figure out what remote i'm going to use for myth now that my pvr150 is gone

[19:16:02]

DustyBin:

lirc problems go down in history

[19:16:09]

clever:

i had a minor lirc problem with serial at first

[19:16:16]

clever:

there was several lirc_dev.ko's

[19:16:25]

clever:

insmod on the newly compiled one fixed it

[19:16:33]

LonEagle:

i'm kind of wondering if i can find a setting on the remote that came with my stereo that the hdhomerun can read

[19:16:47]

Yahooadam:

mine appeared to be due to a bad lircd.conf – i guess my keycodes were a bit off and a new version broke it completly

[19:17:13]

clever:

doesnt sound related to my problems

[19:17:38]

anykey_ (anykey_!n=guedel@kladde.org) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[19:17:51]

anykey_ (anykey_!n=guedel@kladde.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:19:52]

hadees:

anyone here using an rf remote with mythtv?

[19:21:14]

ahbritto (ahbritto!n=guest@adsl-68-125-197-181.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:21:16]

DustyBin:

i have a rf keyboard

[19:21:58]

clever:

#0 0xb67ccbfd in lame_encode_buffer_interleaved () from /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0

[19:22:01]

clever:

No symbol table info available.

[19:22:01]

clever:

segfault there

[19:22:49]

Dave123 (Dave123!i=nobody@cpe-72-230-182-200.rochester.res.rr.com) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[19:23:52]

DustyBin:

not so clever is it, clever..

[19:27:41]

** GreyFoxx starts to wonder about the HDPVR's again. **

[19:29:44]

clever:

DustyBin: ive got no debug into on lame so i cant track it that much

[19:29:56]

clever:

and ive allready rebuilt the lirc modules but that didnt fix it

[19:30:20]

clever:

i cant unprobe the lirc_i2c once it oops's so that means i have to reboot every time i want to test a change

[19:30:33]

clever:

which makes it too slow&painfull to try and fix the i2c driver

[19:31:24]

Deek:

Is the myth repo on an unmetered pipe? I want to import it into a git repo. :)

[19:34:22]

EvilGuru:

Is HDTV normally broadcast as MPEG2 or MPEG4?

[19:34:56]

JohnMahowald:

In what country?

[19:35:12]

Deek:

EvilGuru: In the US at least, in MPEG-2 transport streams.

[19:35:34]

EvilGuru:

I am in the UK, but am interested generally

[19:36:27]

Deek:

Canada's using ATSC too, right?

[19:38:01]

hadees:

i wonder why the picked MPEG-2 for HD, seems behind the times

[19:38:21]

hadees:

maybe the hardware decoders are just more available

[19:38:23]

hadees:

and cheaper

[19:38:24]

iamlindoro:

because the standards were set long before there was an h.264

[19:38:26]

Deek:

MPEG-4 didn't exist.

[19:38:29]

robbins876_ (robbins876_!n=robbins8@host-51-214-9-69.midco.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[19:38:38]

hadees:

hmm really? how long ago was the HD standards set?

[19:39:07]

GreyFoxx:

10+ years?

[19:39:17]

robbins61 (robbins61!n=robbins8@host-51-214-9-69.midco.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:39:20]

GreyFoxx:

mpeg4 as a glimmer is someones eye

[19:39:28]

GreyFoxx:

and h264 was even less :)

[19:39:35]

Deek:

US DTV standards were worked out in the late 1990s IIRC.

[19:39:43]

iamlindoro:

1996

[19:40:33]

EvilGuru:

So h264 is mainly just Blu-ray films and what people have transcoded?

[19:40:47]

iamlindoro:

and EU HD, and Satellite HD, etc., etc.

[19:41:04]

Deek:

EvilGuru: And most European stuff.

[19:41:48]

EvilGuru:

Will different capture cards be required for HD (in DVB-T areas)

[19:42:06]

hadees:

wow i thought HD was new then that

[19:42:11]

iamlindoro:

depends on whether they broadcast it in T or T2

[19:42:16]

hadees:

s/new/newer

[19:42:24]

iamlindoro:

it's technically possible over both

[19:42:38]

Deek:

It's a lot easier for Europe to change standards, though.

[19:43:14]

hadees:

seems kind of dumb that it takes so long to role out HD that by the time it is out the compression is out of date

[19:44:00]

laga:

hadees: well, in '96 mythtv wouldnt have worked well due to lack of cpu power :)

[19:44:08]

laga:

well, there might have been "full featured" cards..

[19:44:14]

laga:

and you'd all be using VDR ;)

[19:44:16]

EvilGuru:

I guess by the time HD is rolled out over here I will need a new system anyway, so I'll probably get a new capture card anyway

[19:44:45]

Deek:

hadees: h.264 is being considered for a new revision.

[19:44:51]

laga:

EvilGuru: where is "here"?

[19:44:55]

EvilGuru:

UK

[19:44:59]

laga:

ah

[19:45:00]

hadees:

they should try to make a system that could be upgraded

[19:45:05]

Deek:

hahaha

[19:45:25]

EvilGuru:

What's happened to the good old days of whois'ing someone :p

[19:45:57]

laga:

EvilGuru: vhosts ;)

[19:46:00]

iamlindoro:

youths of today, they wouldn't even know how to finger someone!

[19:46:02]

Deek:

hadees: You wanna try to mandate TV sets that are software-upgradeable over the air?

[19:46:09]

iamlindoro:

how else are you going to get my plan??

[19:46:29]

laga:

iamlindoro: or your STDs..

[19:46:32]

** iamlindoro used to finger John Carmack all the time **

[19:46:40]

iamlindoro:

He loved it

[19:46:56]

Deek:

finger me to make a pgp key come.

[19:48:06]

Deek:

crap, that doesn't work right now since I switched routers. *redirect-fu*

[19:48:17]

hadees:

Deek, it wouldn't have to be upgradable over the air, you could use the Internet, or something how my TV firmware gets updated with a usb stick and i'm not saying they should upgrade ever few years or anything

[19:48:30]

hadees:

i'm just saying the current system doesn't plan for the future very well

[19:48:40]

hadees:

maybe upgrading isn't the answer

[19:48:53]

A-:

if you have an automated upgrade system, someone will figure out how to push firmware you don't want

[19:48:58]

GreyFoxx:

At some point your upgrade needs hardware changes

[19:49:11]

GreyFoxx:

like all the STB's now that are mpeg2 only

[19:49:26]

GreyFoxx:

It's not a software only problem, but the underlying decoder hardware needs to change

[19:49:29]

Deek:

hadees: Actually, it does plan for the future; it's just that the content needs to be viewable by everyone.

[19:50:40]

Deek:

you can broadcast more than MPEG-2 streams on ATSC — but (almost) nobody can see anything else. :)

[19:52:42]

justinh:

EvilGuru: HD in the UK is likely to be DVB-T2, but no hardware currently exists for that

[19:53:25]

XLV (XLV!n=XLV@88.218.56.148) has quit ("Leaving")

[19:53:27]

justinh:

or whatever they let FTA on Astra of course. BBC HD is already there.

[19:53:48]

justinh:

you need lots of CPU to decode BBC HD though... Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmoar Mhz!

[19:54:22]

Deek:

high-bit h264 is it?

[19:54:29]

justinh:

nah

[19:54:36]

justinh:

not like bluray

[19:54:37]

EvilGuru:

Is it 1900x1080 resolution wise (1080p I think)

[19:54:48]

justinh:

18mbits 1080i h.264

[19:54:55]

justinh:

18Mbits even

[19:55:24]

justinh:

you still need plenty of CPU for it though

[19:55:30]

Deek:

I'd rather see 1280x720p than 1920x1080i personally

[19:55:39]

justinh:

yeah well what can you do

[19:55:53]

justinh:

we don't get a say in that

[19:56:16]

EvilGuru:

I could just about play 1920x1080

[19:56:21]

Deek:

History HD is 720p@60, looks great.

[19:56:35]

EvilGuru:

however I would need to span it over two screens

[19:57:40]

DustyBin:

720 x 576 looks great

[20:04:14]

phatmonkey (phatmonkey!n=ben@81.2.121.150) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:05:43]

phatmonkey (phatmonkey!n=ben@81.2.121.150) has quit (Broken pipe)

[20:05:53]

phatmonkey (phatmonkey!n=ben@81.2.121.150) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:11:10]

espacious_ (espacious_!i=espaciou@84-255-235-206.static.t-2.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:11:32]

GlemSom (GlemSom!n=glemsom@50A2C91E.flatrate.dk) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[20:11:35]

espacious (espacious!i=espaciou@84-255-235-206.static.t-2.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[20:13:01]

javatexan (javatexan!n=aars@thunder.ecs.baylor.edu) has quit ("Leaving.")

[20:16:55]

grokky (grokky!n=grokky@ppp121-44-204-155.lns3.mel4.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:18:13]

grokky (grokky!n=grokky@ppp121-44-204-155.lns3.mel4.internode.on.net) has quit (Client Quit)

[20:21:49]

EvilGuru (EvilGuru!n=EvilGuru@witherden.org) has quit ()

[20:22:14]

natoka (natoka!n=natoka@81-223-219-20.static.home.xdsl-line.inode.at) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:22:21]

EvilGuru (EvilGuru!n=EvilGuru@witherden.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:23:51]

tanner (tanner!n=xero@c-24-20-184-182.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[20:24:19]

tanner (tanner!n=xero@c-24-20-184-182.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:30:05]

justinh:

I scare myself. scarcely 2 days since I started reworking this & already it's looking ready to use

[20:31:21]

Agrajag-:

hmm i'm having problem with mythweb with 0.21.. it's not highlighting recordings (don't see the green borders), and i can't cancel recordings

[20:31:57]

Agrajag-:

when i click on something i know is going to be recorded (because it's in "upcoming recordings"), mythweb still thinks it's not going to be recorded

[20:33:04]

Agrajag-:

if i click on "Don't record" in the upcoming recordings screen, i get a php fatal error, "modules/tv/includes/objects/Program.php, line 817: Unknown schedule for this program's recordid: "

[20:35:18]

piglit (piglit!n=piglit@cc104481-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:36:08]

piglit:

hello when i try to start "watch video" nothing happens there isnt anny error msg so i can not use google , can annyone please point me in the right directtion ? i can watch video's but then i have to exit mythtv and i dont want that

[20:36:55]

mkrufky-gone is now known as mkrufky

[20:37:03]

natoka:

first point to start looking is probably called log files ...

[20:38:10]

Deek:

justinh: "this"?

[20:38:12]

Yahooadam (Yahooadam!n=Adam@host86-134-128-65.range86-134.btcentralplus.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[20:42:22]

EvilGuru:

My PVR-150 has an S-Video and Composite in, and my sound card has a line-in. I have an old Hi8 camcorder which outputs to Composite + R and L audio (yellow, red, white), would it be possible to digitise the content? Or would it require too much work

[20:42:23]

justinh:

Deek: yeah, 'this'

[20:42:30]

justinh:

whatever it is I'm doing

[20:42:46]

directhex:

justinh, playing with yourself?

[20:43:12]

justinh:

always!

[20:43:48]

natoka:

.oO(oh dude irc is getting rude these days)

[20:44:17]

PaulWay (PaulWay!n=paulway@ppp59-167-37-83.lns2.cbr1.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:44:21]

PaulWay:

Hi all!

[20:44:24]

justinh:

yeah well that's enough playing with myself for tonight

[20:44:29]

EvilGuru:

nagnag: Try bash.org

[20:44:34]

justinh:

don't want to get sick of it already

[20:44:44]

Dagmar:

EvilGuru: It's quite possible, just don't use your sound card for it. The PVR-150 should have a left and right audio input right next to the composite video input.

[20:44:54]

tanner (tanner!n=xero@c-24-20-184-182.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has quit ("Ex-Chat")

[20:45:02]

PaulWay:

I'm having problems with mythfilldatabase on my brother's backend server – keeps saying "FAILED: xmltv returned error code 32512." when run automatically.

[20:45:12]

EvilGuru:

The MCE one does (I got that first by mistake, but it had no remote, so I swapped it) but my one does not

[20:45:43]

PaulWay:

What's error 32512?

[20:46:14]

EvilGuru:

So the only way I can think of doing is it using my sound cards input with a L+R => Stereo jack

[20:46:39]

iamlindoro_:

EvilGuru: Even if you don't have an MCE, the non-MCEs have a minijack in for audio

[20:46:43]

bobgill_ (bobgill_!n=bobby@CPE000802b64568-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has left #mythtv-users ()

[20:46:58]

iamlindoro_:

you can get a 1/8th inch to RCA cable and go straight into the PVR-150

[20:47:11]

EvilGuru:

http://www.hauppauge.com/images/pvr150-250_ep_sm.jpg is my backplate

[20:47:19]

bobgill (bobgill!n=bobby@CPE000802b64568-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:47:29]

iamlindoro_:

yes, and the line in is the one labeled "line in" in that picture :P

[20:47:35]

EvilGuru:

wondered what that was

[20:47:45]

iamlindoro_:

It's a line in

[20:47:49]

iamlindoro_:

:PPPPPPPP

[20:47:54]

** Deek chuckles **

[20:48:31]

EvilGuru:

So I need L+R => 1/8 jack

[20:48:36]

iamlindoro_:

yep

[20:49:14]

phatmonkey (phatmonkey!n=ben@81.2.121.150) has quit ()

[20:49:22]

TelnetManta (TelnetManta!n=benwilli@72.159.132.4) has quit ("Ex-Chat")

[20:49:28]

Dagmar:

It helps if you actually look at your own equipment closely.

[20:49:52]

iamlindoro_:

My mom said if I do that I would go blind

[20:50:06]

iamlindoro_:

didn't stop me though

[20:50:32]

laga:

so, is IRC hard to use with a braille terminal?

[20:50:53]

iamlindoro_:

No, but the furry palms make touch-typing difficult

[20:51:12]

laga:

we're so going to hell ;)

[20:51:41]

iamlindoro_:

but what a way to go

[20:51:47]

laga:

heh

[20:52:50]

natoka:

and its definitely hard to miss – just follow the heat ...

[21:01:41]

justdave:

in case anyone else runs across the same problem on upgrades...

[21:01:58]

justdave:

I gave up trying to build my own .21-fixes on Ubuntu Gutsy...

[21:02:14]

justdave:

so I bit the bullet and upgraded to the prerelease Hardy to get the .21-fixes packages

[21:02:24]

justdave:

the new mplayer apparently has different default sound output

[21:02:33]

justdave:

I had to add -ao alsa to the command line

[21:02:39]

justdave:

for the mplayer command.

[21:05:24]

justdave:

I should probably experiment with the internal player again one of these days. I keep hearing things about it getting better and stuff

[21:05:52]

mkrufky (mkrufky!n=mk@unaffiliated/mkrufky) has left #mythtv-users ()

[21:06:26]

natoka:

didn't you setup a .mplayer/config ?

[21:06:39]

justdave:

no, didn't know you could do that

[21:06:55]

justdave:

I just edit the command line in the video settings panel

[21:06:55]

natoka:

that should keep you save over minor upgrades

[21:07:16]

natoka:

thats also a possible way

[21:08:12]

justdave:

unless the upgrade takes care of editing that file for you I probably still would have had to change it

[21:08:15]

justdave:

just in a different place

[21:09:55]

nedd1 (nedd1!n=john@nat/sun/x-5ae24a594e392e31) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:10:14]

k-man__ (k-man__!n=jason@ppp255-50.static.internode.on.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:10:48]

natoka:

normally the only way to break a config file is to have a major upgrade

[21:10:51]

quink:

Question for you guys. When installing a specific driver- nvidia-drivers, do i need to have direct rendering manager, etc enabled in the kernel or do nvidia-drivers take over everything?

[21:11:50]

gandalfcome (gandalfcome!n=gandalfc@124-168-221-233.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:12:11]

directhex:

the nvidia driver provides its own interface, via its kernel module

[21:12:28]

natoka:

normally you would like to refrain from enabling it

[21:12:43]

natoka:

hint: enabling it breaks things

[21:12:50]

natoka:

in your case ...

[21:12:56]

quink:

So in the kernel you don't need direc renderig stuff, but you do need /dev/agpgart

[21:13:34]

directhex:

the nvidia driver can even provide its own gart, iirc

[21:13:46]

directhex:

christ it's a long time since i a) used agp and b) compiled my own kernel

[21:13:48]

Tuv0k (Tuv0k!n=Tuvok@75-39-91-112.lightspeed.shhgoh.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:14:07]

quink:

well, specifically, I have an nvidia 6150 mobo.

[21:14:07]

natoka:

well you can enable that though nvidia drivers come with their own agp stuff

[21:14:11]

quink:

So its all built in.

[21:14:48]

natoka:

but you can choose which one you want later on anyway (its an option for the x driver)

[21:14:53]

Tuv0k (Tuv0k!n=Tuvok@75-39-91-112.lightspeed.shhgoh.sbcglobal.net) has left #mythtv-users ("One to beam up...")

[21:15:57]

PaulWay:

So, mythfilldatabase reports err 32512 – what's that mean?

[21:18:27]

iamlindoro:

according to what you said, mythfilldatabase does, xmltv does

[21:18:35]

iamlindoro:

er doesn't, xmltv does

[21:18:55]

iamlindoro:

in which case you should get help from the xmltv folk

[21:19:01]

PaulWay:

So is that a return code from running (in this case) tv_grab_au?

[21:19:16]

iamlindoro:

presumably

[21:19:57]

Tuv0k (Tuv0k!n=Tuvok@75-39-91-112.lightspeed.shhgoh.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:19:57]

PaulWay:

Right. Hmmm. What does it mean then?

[21:20:09]

iamlindoro:

like I said, seek help from your grabber provider

[21:20:23]

PaulWay:

And why would I get that only when it's run automatically, not manually?

[21:20:30]

PaulWay:

(Both being run by root)

[21:20:58]

revilootneg (revilootneg!n=oliver@pool-206-65-198-89.dbd-ipconnect.net) has quit ("leaving")

[21:22:41]

davilla (davilla!n=davilla@24.172.19.62) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:23:05]

iamlindoro:

In spite of your not listening, I'll tell you that the solution to your problem is the *first* google result for your error

[21:24:07]

iamlindoro:

And if that doesn't work for you, then you *really* ought to seek help at the Shepherd/whatever forums

[21:24:34]

PaulWay:

Well, pardon me for not mentioning that I've already been through the google responses to the error message, and not finding any of them apply, I came to ask here.

[21:26:26]

Egghead3 (Egghead3!n=jimbobwa@96.243.133.151) has quit ()

[21:26:35]

mzb_d800:

PaulWay: there are various ways of setting shepherd up (correctly!) ... are you sure you've followed the wiki to the letter?

[21:27:14]

PaulWay:

I'm using the new tv_grab_oztivo, and I've set it up on my brother's machine exactly the same way that it's set up on my machine (which works)

[21:27:44]

DustyBin:

PaulWay: have you ever been guilty of hacking your brothers machine?

[21:28:05]

PaulWay:

Define "hacking" :-)

[21:28:11]

PaulWay:

If you mean "fixing it so it works", then yes.

[21:28:15]

mzb_d800:

heh ... sounds like incest ;)

[21:28:16]

PaulWay:

:-)

[21:28:34]

natoka:

versions are the same?

[21:28:35]

PaulWay:

mzb_d800: and that's the first thing that pops into your mind?

[21:28:40]

** PaulWay edges away from mzb_d800 **

[21:28:45]

mzb_d800:

:)

[21:29:07]

PaulWay:

I have a feeling that it's a problem with his path setup.

[21:29:11]

** mzb_d800 decides to wait until the caffeine kicks in before trying to be humorous **

[21:29:20]

Deek:

heh, I used to remotely reboot my brother's computer whenever he hogged my bandwidth. :)

[21:29:44]

PaulWay:

Well, his adgered networking has kicked me off again so I can't fix it again.

[21:31:25]

I3ooI3oo (I3ooI3oo!n=i3ooi3oo@62.sub-70-220-255.myvzw.com) has quit ("Konversation terminated!")

[21:32:51]

PaulWay:

Deek: he used to leech off me and tie all of my bandwidth up and demand I give him more. Now that I'm on ADSL2 and he's still on 512/128 the boot is on the other foot...

[21:37:54]

mzb_d800:

PaulWay: add a log option to your grabber options (assuming you're getting mythtv to run it rather than cron)

[21:38:14]

mzb_d800:

(and btw, if that's the case how are you getting it to run as root?)

[21:39:21]

PaulWay:

I've tried running it through the backend (with logging – no more useful information that that error 32512) and through cron.

[21:39:23]

mzb_d800:

ie: isn't it running as *mythtv* (or whatever you backend is running as)

[21:39:49]

mzb_d800:

no ... you don't enable the backend logging, you add a command-line option for the grabber

[21:39:59]

mzb_d800:

forget cron, that's a hack

[21:40:07]

PaulWay:

Ah, I see. Same diff though – just error 32512.

[21:40:12]

davilla_ (davilla_!n=davilla@rbl.4pi.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:40:17]

PaulWay:

Sure, but it's a hack that's worked :-)

[21:40:23]

Deek:

errr....cron is a hack?

[21:40:43]

mzb_d800:

yes ... shepherd is supposed to be "summoned" by mythtv

[21:40:54]

PaulWay:

Obviously someone who's never adminned standard systems.

[21:40:58]

PaulWay:

:-)

[21:41:02]

mzb_d800:

not by cron ... and there are various reasons for that

[21:41:18]

mzb_d800:

ok, help yourself then ;P

[21:41:35]

espacious_ (espacious_!i=espaciou@84-255-235-206.static.t-2.net) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[21:41:54]

PaulWay:

Well, if you don't mean "cron is a hack in general" then be more specific :-)

[21:42:54]

mzb_d800:

my point being that running shepherd from cron is not how it's supposed to work, and that using cron to fix the issue is not actually addressing the problem

[21:43:07]

PaulWay:

It addressed it on my home machine.

[21:43:08]

mzb_d800:

ie: hack

[21:43:39]

PaulWay:

But that's because I run a script from cron that sleeps for $(( $RANDOM / 2 )) then runs mythfilldatabase

[21:43:39]

mzb_d800:

gives a result, but doesn't fix the problem

[21:43:50]

PaulWay:

If result = working, problem = fixed.

[21:44:04]

mzb_d800:

good luck

[21:44:22]

PaulWay:

Heh.

[21:44:23]

mzb_d800:

and as you've already said ... IT DOESN'T !!!

[21:44:35]

PaulWay:

It fixed it on my machine.

[21:44:58]

mzb_d800:

you mean your hack works on yours

[21:45:08]

mzb_d800:

but the issue is still there ;P

[21:45:11]

PaulWay:

And I would say that if mythfilldatabase can't work out how to return sensible error messages instead of cryptic 32512 numbers then it's not helping very much.

[21:45:34]

PaulWay:

Because the one thing I love doing is arguing with pedants on IRC.

[21:45:39]

mzb_d800:

so I'd suggest you look at the underlying problem rather than f0rking around with cron-job hacks ... sounds like a better investment of time

[21:46:20]

PaulWay:

Yeah, I did – so I came here to ask what 32512 meant because mythfilldatabase -v all sure doesn't tell you any more about it.

[21:46:36]

PaulWay:

And so far all I've got from here is an FGI from someone who's since shut up.

[21:47:30]

mzb_d800:

I've made two suggestions which you've chosen to ignore

[21:48:16]

ajh (ajh!n=ajh@CPE000f662bc905-CM00111a5c57fe.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:48:35]

PaulWay:

1) I've already logged it – same cryptic error number.

[21:48:42]

ajh:

is there a good document on recording groups out there? I'd like to set certain channels to default to certain groups.

[21:48:50]

PaulWay:

2) I've run it from mythbackend rather than cron – same error.

[21:48:55]

PaulWay:

3) Any other points to make?

[21:49:03]

mzb_d800:

yes, you haven't read what I've written.

[21:49:18]

PaulWay:

Well, while I bow and scrape, you can tell me what you mean.

[21:49:23]

mzb_d800:

1 ^^

[21:49:31]

mzb_d800:

2. other things to do

[21:49:34]

mzb_d800:

3. good luck

[21:49:51]

PaulWay:

Yep. In other words you don't have a frickin clue what 32512 means and you're to vain to say.

[21:50:19]

mzb_d800:

bite me

[21:50:41]

ajh:

So, anyone know if there's a way to tie a channel to a specific recording group by default?

[21:50:49]

psymin (psymin!n=psymin@smtpstatic.blackfoot.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:50:49]

PaulWay:

Coming from someone who thinks of incest a lot, I'd rather not.

[21:50:59]

** psymin didn't just read that. **

[21:51:00]

mzb_d800:

if I thought you'd listen, I'd probably be tempted to give you a half-hour lesson in good manners before showing you your other logical faults

[21:51:39]

PaulWay:

Oh, so when I come in here and get schooled by someone for not googling enough just because I ask politely, that obviously shows my bad manners.

[21:51:52]

PaulWay:

And if I thought your manners where anything to learn from, I'd probably be amused.

[21:51:53]

davilla_ (davilla_!n=davilla@rbl.4pi.com) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[21:52:08]

EvilGuru:

PaulWay: Tried stracing the process?

[21:52:21]

PaulWay:

EvilGuru: Now that's an intelligent suggestion. Thanks!

[21:52:28]

EvilGuru:

strace mythfilldatabase > foo.txt;

[21:52:37]

EvilGuru:

cat foo.txt | tail

[21:52:37]

PaulWay:

Ta.

[21:53:02]

PaulWay:

I'd probably less it and look for 32512 directly.

[21:53:03]

natoka:

PaulWay: before stracing probably it would be better to use gdb

[21:53:14]

PaulWay:

natoka: that sounds like a bit of overkill to me :-)

[21:53:18]

PaulWay:

But another good suggestion.

[21:53:19]

EvilGuru:

PaulWay: I am unsure if you will see that

[21:53:40]

EvilGuru:

strace might give you FOO_CONST | BAR_CONST if mythfilldatabase uses standard error codes

[21:53:42]

natoka:

PaulWay: stracing will most likely not show you the problem

[21:53:44]

PaulWay:

Well, I can find where it tries to call tv_grab_au – I could also search for the hex for 32512.

[21:53:45]

Deek:

PaulWay: that's 0x7f00

[21:53:56]

** Wonka would like some good introduction/tutorial to gdb... **

[21:54:11]

natoka:

Wonka: use ddd

[21:54:21]

EvilGuru:

GDB is good for segfaults, and so long as the distro does not strip the binaries

[21:54:22]

Wonka:

even then

[21:54:23]

natoka:

no manual needed then

[21:54:27]

PaulWay:

As I thought – high byte = error return from call, so it hasn't segfaulted.

[21:55:00]

mzb_d800:

logic

[21:55:14]

EvilGuru:

or if you are a Gentoo user, not using -fomit-frame-pointer-zomg-wtf-bbq

[21:55:22]

PaulWay:

Heh.

[21:55:32]

PaulWay:

Just not being a Gentoo user is a good start.

[21:56:04]

Deek:

PaulWay: so you're unlikely to see 32512 anywhere

[21:56:10]

PaulWay:

yeah.

[21:56:27]

EvilGuru:

I agree, however, the output could still be useful

[21:57:03]

EvilGuru:

ltrace is also useful

[21:58:08]

davilla (davilla!n=davilla@24.172.19.62) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[21:58:25]

EvilGuru:

PaulWay: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /099866.html

[21:59:06]

EvilGuru:

normally I just see mythtv-users are a form of cheap entertainment between episodes of Law & Order, but in this case...

[21:59:46]

PaulWay:

Interesting – err 127 is "Key has expired" which I don't think is what I need.

[22:00:25]

PaulWay:

EvilGuru: thanks – read that. That's why I suspected the paths. Funny how it suggests running it from cron...

[22:02:08]

mzb_d800:

s/it/some other misguided **/

[22:03:47]

a1fa_ (a1fa_!n=a1fa@tiltinghorizons.com) has quit ("[BX] The Power Rangers use BitchX. Shouldn't you?")

[22:03:57]

TelnetManta (TelnetManta!n=benwilli@24-241-115-007.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:05:48]

PaulWay:

mzb_d800: Thanks for not contributing.

[22:06:01]

PaulWay:

So it's return code 127. Let me see.

[22:06:50]

grokky (grokky!n=grokky@batter.csse.unimelb.edu.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:07:35]

purserj (purserj!n=purserj@k-sit.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:08:33]

PaulWay:

Interesting: in system(3): "In case /bin/sh could not be executed, the exit status will be that of a command that does exit(127)."

[22:08:43]

PaulWay:

Which does imply that 127 is 'file not found'.

[22:08:56]

PaulWay:

But still trying to find conclusive proof.

[22:09:55]

hadees (hadees!n=hadees@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/hadees) has quit (Remote closed the connection)

[22:10:44]

mzb_d800:

MythFillDatabaseLog

[22:10:55]

mzb_d800:

+ check permissions

[22:11:19]

purserj:

hmm any australians using the live EPGS?

[22:11:25]

mzb_d800:

(and paths)

[22:11:33]

PaulWay:

purserj: by 'live' what do you mean?

[22:11:39]

mzb_d800:

purserj: EIT? haven't tried that yet

[22:11:53]

mzb_d800:

been meaning to, just haven't been brave enough ;)

[22:12:36]

purserj:

PaulWay: by live I mean relying on the EPG's as delivered via the airwaves and not an xmltv importer

[22:12:53]

mirak (mirak!n=mirak@m179.net81-66-123.noos.fr) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:13:27]

PaulWay:

Oh. Right. No.

[22:13:30]

purserj:

hmm

[22:13:42]

purserj:

Right now I've only got Capital, Prime and WIN

[22:13:51]

purserj:

the ABC and SBS have pulled theirs

[22:13:59]

purserj:

I think it's related to the Daylight savings snafu

[22:14:08]

Possum (Possum!n=possum@pool-71-251-73-38.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) has left #mythtv-users ()

[22:14:08]

purserj:

WIN is still an hour out

[22:14:25]

** EvilGuru hates DST **

[22:16:10]

mzb_d800:

purserj: apart from the DST issue this week, how has EIT been treating you? (compared to shepherd)

[22:17:13]

purserj:

actually quite good

[22:17:28]

purserj:

all of the networks are pushing out at a weeks worth of data

[22:17:45]

mzb_d800:

much of a difference in accuracy|detail ?

[22:17:58]

purserj:

not that I can tell

[22:18:03]

purserj:

the ABC is spot on with times

[22:18:13]

purserj:

however the commercials still do the time over run crap

[22:18:20]

mzb_d800:

tried having both running at the same time?

[22:18:30]

purserj:

nope

[22:18:45]

neztit2 (neztit2!n=neztiti@a64-33.adsl.paltel.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:19:03]

neztit2:

guys any one can tell me where is the channels be on mythtv?

[22:19:11]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=hox@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[22:19:19]

mzb_d800:

do you get data on "shorts"? (eg: smaller filler progs not on schedule?)

[22:19:24]

purserj:

bbl taking kinder to pre-school

[22:19:33]

mzb_d800:

k

[22:19:34]

purserj:

mzb_d800: for the abc everything is included in the EPG

[22:19:42]

mzb_d800:

cool

[22:20:14]

mzb_d800:

might have to try switching it on after this weekend (daughter's 3rd birthday today:)

[22:20:54]

neztit2:

guys why i cant scan channels – i use mythtv 21

[22:22:13]

neztit2:

guys pls

[22:22:45]

Jimbalaya (Jimbalaya!n=Miranda@static-69-95-215-38.spr.onecommunications.net) has quit ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org")

[22:22:59]

psymin:

neztit2: the answer varies .. what type of card do you have?

[22:23:00]

Hoxzer (Hoxzer!n=hox@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:23:17]

neztit2:

twinhan1020A

[22:23:29]

bobgill:

I'm in the middle of setting up mythtv right now... I'm trying to get it to find my capture card (PVR-150).. so far /dev/v4l/video0 and /dev/video0 it's not seeing it.. how can I get its device address ??

[22:23:31]

psymin:

neztit2: never heard of it .. which driver does it use?

[22:23:40]

neztit2:

i use ubuntu gutsy7.10

[22:23:54]

neztit2:

btc

[22:24:23]

psymin:

bobgill: those devices exist?

[22:25:09]

psymin:

neztit2: wish I could help ya there :( .. mostly familiar with ivtv and cx8800

[22:25:20]

bobgill:

I dunno.. I checked dmesg and it shows the card being read correctly

[22:25:39]

neztit2:

psymin:i succeed to scan on the other pc with the same ubuntu

[22:26:10]

natoka:

bobgill: can you use mplayer to get some video from your card?

[22:26:12]

neztit2:

psymin: its dst driver

[22:26:19]

psymin:

bobgill: cool, I guess I was asking for clarification that /dev/v4l/video0 and /dev/video0 existed as files

[22:28:47]

bobgill:

yes i'm checking /dev now

[22:29:00]

bobgill:

i have tried a bunch of them /dev/video0, video24, video32,

[22:29:02]

neztit2:

psymin: bttv0: detected: Twinhan VisionPlus DVB [card=113], PCI subsystem ID is 1822:0001

[22:29:15]

bobgill:

must I install a driver for the hauppauge first ?

[22:29:26]

psymin:

bobgill: ivtv is the hauppauge 150 driver I think

[22:29:38]

psymin:

if you have /dev/video0 you probably have it loaded already

[22:30:08]

natoka:

^^ probably, so grep your dmesg output

[22:30:33]

quink:

Is there a good simple way to get an external monitor setup and its resolutions/refresh rates figured out in linux?

[22:31:06]

natoka:

specify 'external'

[22:31:29]

quink:

rear projection tv(circa 2000) hooked up via dvi

[22:31:35]

psymin:

quink: Yes .. there was a utility that I ran under X a couple days that helped me do just that .. one moment

[22:32:04]

quink:

I think all of my problems are based on the fact that i'm guessing its capabilities and can't find it out for sure. Its builtin stuff, whatever its called ddc or edid, isn't correct

[22:33:00]

natoka:

quink: try read-edid

[22:33:31]

natoka:

quink: though it should be possible to let the x driver decide those things

[22:33:36]

quink:

its acting like the refresh rate is low, but it is 60hz

[22:33:59]

neztit2:

psymin:http://pastebin.com/m2b66ec5e

[22:34:14]

psymin:

quicksilver: xvidtune maybe?

[22:34:25]

quink:

natoka: how do you let it decide?

[22:34:42]

natoka:

quink: because the x driver of your graphics card should already use vesa to get the information about the attached monitor device

[22:35:05]

psymin:

neztit2: Was your problem that you cannot change channels?

[22:35:16]

quink:

natoka: i think its reporting the wrong rates.

[22:35:30]

riddlebox (riddlebox!n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:35:40]

jvs (jvs!n=jvs@cm64-247.liwest.at) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[22:35:42]

mzb_d800:

bobgill: make sure that the user running mythtv (usually mythtv!) is in the video group

[22:35:47]

natoka:

quink: then you're back at defining your own mode lines, ...

[22:36:02]

psymin:

I believe xvidtune will spit out modelines for you

[22:36:06]

quink:

natoka: ....thats what i asked.

[22:37:33]

quink:

Right now the main issue is that when i view anything with fine lines, they wobble.

[22:37:40]

bobgill:

yes I am running it as my user.. I am in video group... damn I have tried every device, myth keeps giving me "Could not open /dev/xxx to probe its inputs" no matter what device I input

[22:38:05]

melunko_ (melunko_!n=hmelo@200.184.118.132) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))

[22:38:28]

psymin:

bobgill: what are the permissions on /dev/video0 or /dev/v4l/video0 ?

[22:39:09]

natoka:

bobgill: dmesg | grep ivtv

[22:39:15]

quink:

if i use a 720p modeline instead of 1080i things look better

[22:39:30]

bobgill:

psymin: video0, video24 and video32 all have root:video and crw-rw----

[22:39:32]

neztit2:

psymin:no man – i cant scan any transponder

[22:39:57]

neztit2:

psymin:i did with the other os

[22:40:17]

psymin:

neztit2: can you get any video from the device, regardless of which channel its on?

[22:41:09]

neztit2:

sure man

[22:41:29]

psymin:

sweet :)

[22:42:07]

psymin:

neztit2: perhaps xawtv can do the behind the scenes magic and change the channels for ya? :)

[22:42:10]

neztit2:

pysmin: i have 2 ubuntu gutsy installed on my pc – one mythtv works fine and the other one i cant scan

[22:43:38]

natoka:

hmm, i'm stuck now, i can tune all channels with mplayer dvb://<channel>, and i imported my .mplayer/channels.conf into mythtv, mythtv actually scanned all channels sucessfully, but in the frontend i always get no lock (for every channel i choose)

[22:43:42]

neztit2:

pysmin: how i can copy paste the date from the first ubuntu 2 the second – i mean the channels list

[22:44:04]

phatmonkey (phatmonkey!n=ben@81.2.121.150) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:44:25]

psymin:

neztit2: sounds like natoka can help you with that one ;)

[22:44:29]

natoka:

neztit2: the mythtv versions are identical?

[22:44:57]

neztit2:

0.21

[22:45:13]

bobgill2 (bobgill2!n=bobgill@CPE000802b64568-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:45:18]

bobgill2:

Hi guys I'm on my myth box

[22:45:21]

natoka:

neztit2: on both oses ?

[22:45:25]

bobgill2:

Here's the output, definitely some errors:

[22:45:32]

neztit2:

yes

[22:45:35]

bobgill2:

http://pastebin.com/m5c68e9d2

[22:46:40]

psymin:

bobgill / bobgill2: "Did you put the firmware in the hotplug firmware directory?"

[22:47:02]

bobgill:

all I did was turn off box, insert card, turn it on hehe

[22:47:11]

bobgill:

what am I supposed to do?

[22:47:14]

bobgill:

dl firmware?

[22:47:18]

natoka:

neztit2: hmm, you could dump your mythtv database and import it on your other os

[22:47:31]

EvilGuru:

Am I right in assuming that until I have set-up my tuner (so tuned it in) my program guide will be empty

[22:47:58]

natoka:

neztit2: or you could try to create a channels.conf, test it with mplayer and then import it

[22:48:02]

k-man__ (k-man__!n=jason@ppp255-50.static.internode.on.net) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

[22:48:04]

psymin:

bobgill: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware

[22:48:08]

neztit2:

natoka: how m8 i can do it

[22:48:14]

natoka:

neztit2: but the second option might not work

[22:48:23]

phatmonkey:

EvilGuru: hey

[22:48:30]

phatmonkey:

depends if you're using xmltv or EIT...

[22:48:39]

natoka:

neztit2: man mysqldump

[22:48:54]

espacious (espacious!i=espaciou@84-255-235-206.static.t-2.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:48:54]

EvilGuru:

Thought so

[22:48:59]

opentrinity (opentrinity!n=opentrin@host95-48-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has quit ("***debian rules!!***")

[22:49:01]

phatmonkey:

EvilGuru: did you have an analogue card?

[22:49:14]

EvilGuru:

Still do, nice old PVR-150 w/XMLTV

[22:49:19]

phatmonkey:

that obviously has no on air guide, so you'll need xmltv

[22:49:20]

phatmonkey:

yeah

[22:49:23]

neztit2:

natoka: No manual entry for mysqldump

[22:49:23]

EvilGuru:

Haven't got around to tuning it in yet

[22:49:24]

neztit2:

See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available.

[22:49:31]

phatmonkey:

and I believe for it to download the guide, you need an input connection

[22:49:36]

phatmonkey:

so you don't need to tune the tuner, just add it

[22:49:47]

phatmonkey:

not sure about that though

[22:49:55]

EvilGuru:

Mythfilldatabase has worked a treat

[22:50:03]

natoka:

neztit2: mysqladmin version

[22:50:30]

phatmonkey:

might be worth selling the pvr card before they switch off analogue... only a year or two now

[22:51:00]

psymin:

phatmonkey: thats for broadcast over air right .. no change on cable

[22:51:02]

phatmonkey:

and one nova-t 500 can record almost unlimited channels with multirec now

[22:51:04]

natoka:

neztit2: and if it's above 5.x then use mysqldump --help

[22:51:11]

phatmonkey:

psymin: this is the uk

[22:51:13]

bobgill:

psymin: thanks a lot I am going to try it now

[22:51:20]

psymin:

bobgill: np

[22:51:22]

psymin:

phatmonkey: ahh

[22:51:47]

phatmonkey:

we don't have any analogue cable over here anyway, just digital I believe

[22:53:16]

natoka:

funny problem here: EIT works, i get a program guide, though actually watching a channel does not (black screen + no lock)

[22:53:54]

mjj29:

natoka: sounds like you are just below usable signal threshold

[22:54:07]

mjj29:

that's what I had before tweaking the antenna

[22:54:17]

mjj29:

(or is this cable?)

[22:54:28]

natoka:

mjj29: well, using mplayer i can watch all channels

[22:54:42]

mjj29:

natoka: hmm

[22:54:49]

natoka:

btw. it's a nova t 500

[22:54:57]

mjj29:

that's what I have

[22:55:08]

mjj29:

and that's similar to what I got

[22:55:18]

natoka:

and i used my .mplayer/channels.conf to import the channels into mythtv

[22:55:18]

mjj29:

but mplayer working suggests it's something else

[22:55:18]

neztit2:

natoka: mysqladmin Ver 8.41 Distrib 5.0.45, for pc-linux-gnu on i486

[22:55:27]

mjj29:

natoka: does it scan?

[22:55:56]

natoka:

mjj29: scanning with mythtv worked, and mythtv found the channels listed in my channels.conf

[22:56:26]

** mjj29 runs out of mythtv knowledge at this point (-: **

[22:56:48]

natoka:

mjj29: something strange that i noticed though is that i've now got a transport frequency registered with mythtv that is mentioned nowhere ...

[22:57:04]

phatmonkey:

there's a problem with usb in the current kernels that's causing nova-t 500 disconnects

[22:57:08]

natoka:

i mean it's an empty freq.

[22:57:13]

phatmonkey:

see the linux-dvb list

[22:57:27]

phatmonkey:

there's no reliable fix unfortunately

[22:57:34]

phatmonkey:

apart from restarting mythbackend

[22:57:52]

natoka:

and when does that happen?

[22:57:58]

natoka:

sporadic?

[22:58:02]

phatmonkey:

yeah, randomly

[22:58:03]

natoka:

or always?

[22:58:13]

natoka:

ah random

[22:58:17]

phatmonkey:

both tuners work for a bit, then one tuner gets dropped

[22:58:23]

natoka:

then in my case it is deterministic

[22:58:27]

phatmonkey:

so it might be getting eit from one tuner and you're viewing the other

[22:58:32]

phatmonkey:

have you tried both?

[22:58:39]

natoka:

i always get no lock

[22:58:43]

phatmonkey:

ah ok

[22:59:09]

natoka:

no matter what i do

[22:59:35]

natoka:

whether i restart mythbackend, change cards, etc.

[23:00:44]

kayle (kayle!n=kayle@cpe-68-172-89-142.nycap.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:01:58]

psymin (psymin!n=psymin@smtpstatic.blackfoot.net) has quit ("Leaving")

[23:04:05]

[gquit]bombadil ([gquit]bombadil!n=dana@CPE-70-94-44-157.wi.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:05:25]

bobgill2 (bobgill2!n=bobgill@CPE000802b64568-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has quit ("brb")

[23:07:08]

_charly_ (_charly_!i=kroseneg@sunrise.schmidham.net) has quit (Excess Flood)

[23:08:12]

_charly_ (_charly_!i=kroseneg@sunrise.schmidham.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:11:13]

Led-Hed (Led-Hed!n=LedHed@209.209.124.226) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:13:46]

bobgill:

yay! it reads the pvr150 now :)

[23:13:58]

PaulWay:

I'm getting some skipping when fast forwarding or rewinding while watching recorded programs using XvMC.

[23:15:24]

Tuv0k (Tuv0k!n=Tuvok@75-39-91-112.lightspeed.shhgoh.sbcglobal.net) has left #mythtv-users ("One to beam up...")

[23:17:43]

Yahooadam (Yahooadam!n=Adam@host86-134-128-65.range86-134.btcentralplus.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:20:20]

Yahooadam:

is there a way to get mythbackend to unlock a tuner without killing it?

[23:20:27]

bobgill:

Hmm.. I'm at Video Sources. So I must pay $20 to schedulesdirect.org? I can only choose them, No grabber or transmitted guide only

[23:20:41]

Yahooadam:

bobgill – are u in the US?

[23:20:47]

bobgill:

Canada

[23:21:09]

Yahooadam:

then i dont think you really have a choice

[23:21:22]

Yahooadam:

if you want other grabbers, you need to install xmltv

[23:21:37]

melunko (melunko!n=hmelo@201.36.198.10) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:22:23]

bobgill:

ok i will try that

[23:22:30]

Yahooadam:

personally

[23:22:39]

Yahooadam:

xmltv is a tonne of effort, and flakey at best

[23:22:42]

bobgill:

well I can try schedulesdirect 7 days free

[23:22:46]

bobgill:

i will try that instead

[23:22:47]

bobgill:

hehe

[23:22:48]

Yahooadam:

pay the $20 and be happy

[23:22:56]

bobgill:

I think I will end up doing so

[23:22:58]

bobgill:

:]

[23:24:04]

EvilGuru (EvilGuru!n=EvilGuru@witherden.org) has quit ()

[23:24:24]

mkrufky (mkrufky!n=mk@unaffiliated/mkrufky) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:24:38]

gandalfcome (gandalfcome!n=gandalfc@124-168-221-233.dyn.iinet.net.au) has quit ()

[23:25:40]

Dave123 (Dave123!i=nobody@cpe-72-230-182-200.rochester.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:29:03]

quink:

ok. got it figured out, mostly

[23:31:27]

i3ooi3oo (i3ooi3oo!n=i3ooi3oo@153.59.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:32:14]

bobgill:

Upon exiting mythtv-setup I keep getting "Cannot create a file /media/mythtv/.test – directory is not writable? Do you want to fix this problem?" and I can hit Yes please or No

[23:32:27]

bobgill:

I hit Yes and it goes back to the setup menu, I hit esc again, same thing

[23:32:58]

quink:

How do i make nvidia not ignore a mode?

[23:33:03]

quink:

nvidia-drivers

[23:33:08]

quink:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1920x540"; removing.

[23:33:24]

PaulWay:

That's a pretty odd mode.

[23:33:25]

natoka:

bobgill: in that case mythtv cannot fix the issue

[23:33:42]

natoka:

bobgill: so fix it yourself at the command shell

[23:33:51]

PaulWay:

I'm getting skipping when I fast forward or rewind when playing an mpeg2 stream using XvMC on an NVidia 5200.

[23:34:03]

PaulWay:

mplayer plays using XvMC no problems.

[23:34:13]

natoka:

normally the directory should be owned and rwx for the user mythtv must be set

[23:35:11]

bobgill:

Hmm. I just ran the frontend.. hit WatchTV and screen is blank

[23:35:15]

quink:

PaulWay: well its what it needs, i think

[23:35:22]

bobgill:

now it came back to the main menu

[23:35:23]

quink:

its 1080i, basically

[23:36:09]

PaulWay:

That's 3.55:1.

[23:36:42]

natoka:

bobgill: did you fix the permissions?

[23:37:13]

quink:

http://optimusprimal.com/~quink/edid

[23:37:40]

quink:

those are hte modelines

[23:41:08]

bobgill:

do I run mythfilldatabase as root ?

[23:41:13]

bobgill:

or not

[23:41:40]

natoka:

bobgill: not necessary to run it as root

[23:41:51]

Yahooadam:

bobgill – you need to run it as the user you ran mythtv-setup as

[23:41:58]

PaulWay:

I do, but that may not mean that it's right.

[23:42:00]

Yahooadam:

i think, not sure with SD

[23:42:19]

Yahooadam:

also, you wont be able to watch/record/playback tv until you fix the permissions

[23:43:23]

chopp (chopp!n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) has quit ("leaving")

[23:43:28]

bobgill:

ok I did it, I hit esc and no error about permissions now (I changed permissions of /media/mythtv) and now in mythfrontend, I hit Watch TV, I still get a blank screen for 10 seconds then back to main menu

[23:44:13]

bobgill2 (bobgill2!n=bobgill@CPE000802b64568-CM0011e6c40b1f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:45:34]

Tuv0k (Tuv0k!n=Tuvok@75-39-91-112.lightspeed.shhgoh.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:45:42]

bobgill2:

Here's my mythfilldatabase output: http://pastebin.com/m89a08a7

[23:46:31]

bobgill2:

here's the output while running mythfrontend: http://pastebin.com/m3f092274

[23:46:37]

bobgill2:

I see some errors there

[23:46:40]

bobgill2:

not sure what they mean

[23:47:13]

grokky_ (grokky_!n=grokky@batter.csse.unimelb.edu.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:48:20]

directhex (directhex!n=directhe@bb-87-82-16-197.ukonline.co.uk) has quit ("Leaving")

[23:48:45]

natoka:

seems so that you authentication information for schedulesdirect doesn't work

[23:49:51]

Yahooadam:

bobgill2 – show the mythbackend log so we can work out why its not playing back

[23:50:23]

bobgill:

where is that ? I will paste

[23:51:07]

Yahooadam:

./var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log i think

[23:52:29]

bobgill:

ok one min

[23:53:42]

bobgill:

btw do I run mythfilldatabase with backend running or not running?

[23:55:06]

mkrufky (mkrufky!n=mk@unaffiliated/mkrufky) has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

[23:55:57]

Tuv0k (Tuv0k!n=Tuvok@75-39-91-112.lightspeed.shhgoh.sbcglobal.net) has left #mythtv-users ("One to beam up...")

MythLogBot@irc.freenode.net :: #mythtv-users

Current users (219):