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| [00:20:29] | black_Nightmare_: | hey |
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| [00:37:32] | st1650: | Good evening |
| [00:37:45] | st1650: | Could anyone give me a hand on the diskless setup ? |
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| [00:41:13] | Agrajag-: | st1650: not unless you state your problem |
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| [00:45:36] | st1650: | Agrajag-: Well I tried the tutorials |
| [00:45:47] | st1650: | And my diskless computer, just doesnt find the dns server |
| [00:45:55] | st1650: | I tried both dhcpd and dnsmasq |
| [00:46:18] | st1650: | Do I need 2 NICs ? One connected to my router and one to do the dhcp server |
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| [00:52:20] | chasep: | Ive looked everywhere without success. I just installed a PVR-150. Watching TV is fine, but if I watch a recording (or pause, skip, etc live tv) the picture becomes jittery. It plays back fine if I just use mplayer, and the little thumbnail in mythtv is fine too. I have tried all the options for the mpeg decoders (via xvmc, standard xvmc, standard, libmpeg2) |
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| [00:53:28] | Agrajag-: | st1650: depends if your router is doing dhcp or not |
| [00:53:51] | iamlindoro: | chasep: adjust your deinterlacer-- you're probably using Bob-- switch to linear or Yadif and it'l likely look fine. |
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| [00:54:48] | chasep: | iamlindoro: bob totally screwed things up, i wasn't even using the deinterlacer at first, I tried one of the other options, not sure if it was linear or not, hold on and I'll try those |
| [00:56:15] | chasep: | iamlindoro: Yadif isn't an option, just Linear Blend, Kernel, Bob, One Field |
| [00:56:25] | iamlindoro: | sounds like you're still using .20 |
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| [00:58:37] | chasep: | iamlindoro: yes. I dont think .21 is in the stable emerge branch yet. I'll unmask it if you think it will solve the problem |
| [00:59:21] | iamlindoro: | It might. Of course, you'll have to learn about playback profiles, but you'll have to eventually anyway. there are many more options for video renderer and deinterlacers in .21. |
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| [01:01:32] | chasep: | iamlindoro: i haven't even got it working to where I can record stuff to playback yet. so nows the time to learn, before I get used to doing it another way |
| [01:03:25] | chasep: | .21 still uses qt3 right? .22 is what will need qt4? |
| [01:03:36] | iamlindoro: | that's right. |
| [01:04:35] | iamlindoro: | chasep: other key stuff for video playback is using a decent GPU that is NOT ATI, with Xv capable drivers |
| [01:05:11] | iamlindoro: | best choices generally being a recent Intel GPU or nVidia 5200 or better |
| [01:05:21] | iamlindoro: | + proprietary nvidia drivers |
| [01:06:03] | chasep: | iamlindoro: yea, I am using an ati x1650 right now. an nvidia card is on the list though |
| [01:06:44] | iamlindoro: | chasep: all bets are off with ATI-- I'm really unable to provide any video playback support if you're using it. ATI themselves list Myth as an incompatible program |
| [01:07:28] | iamlindoro: | There's a fair likelihood that any/all video playback wonkiness is being cause by having an ATI GPU |
| [01:07:33] | iamlindoro: | er caused |
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| [01:09:19] | PatrickDK: | heh |
| [01:09:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | ehe? ;-) |
| [01:09:51] | PatrickDK: | I am suprised, the crappy ass onboard ati that is stealing 8megs of memory from my system, actually looks very nice on my 23" lcd |
| [01:10:40] | ** J-e-f-f-A gave all his ATI cards to winblows users... ;-) ** | |
| [01:10:52] | PatrickDK: | I would never buy an ati card |
| [01:11:01] | PatrickDK: | but when you get a motherboard with onboard video |
| [01:11:11] | iamlindoro: | I'm the first to admit that some people have managed to make their ATI cards work, but it's so hit or miss and so seemingly without rhyme or reason that it's practically useless to try |
| [01:11:25] | PatrickDK: | ya |
| [01:12:08] | iamlindoro: | Given the number of motherboards with halfway-decent onboard ATI cards, I really *do* hope they get their acts together driverwise-- there have been so many occasions in the past few years where I was one click away from buying hardware until I found it had ATI GPUs |
| [01:12:44] | iamlindoro: | case in point: http://www.tomsguide.com/us/slideshow/Hiper-M . . . ---jpg-.html |
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| [01:13:09] | iamlindoro: | That box is in *perfect* DVD form factor, has *everything* including IR blaster, receiver, VFD, HDMI, etc.... but ATI GPU :( |
| [01:13:57] | chasep_: | how bbout an 8500GT? |
| [01:14:16] | iamlindoro: | chasep_: That would work nicely |
| [01:14:26] | iamlindoro: | no need to go that far, even, if you don't want to |
| [01:14:30] | chasep_: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814186026 30 bucks |
| [01:14:35] | iamlindoro: | a 6xxx or 7xxx will work just as well |
| [01:14:56] | iamlindoro: | chasep_: yeah, that would work really well |
| [01:15:04] | PatrickDK: | holy crap that is a big card |
| [01:15:40] | iamlindoro: | PatrickDK: Have you seen the 9800s yet? |
| [01:15:50] | PatrickDK: | ati 9800's :) |
| [01:15:57] | iamlindoro: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143128 |
| [01:15:59] | iamlindoro: | nvidia |
| [01:16:20] | PatrickDK: | see, I have no need for something like that |
| [01:16:24] | PatrickDK: | just to play video |
| [01:16:29] | iamlindoro: | Hehe |
| [01:16:40] | PatrickDK: | I can understand if I was being payed for wow or something |
| [01:16:53] | chasep_: | and, I save an additional 1% thanks to fatwallet :-P |
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| [01:19:07] | chasep___: | ordered. doubt it will get here till I am back from vacation though. Thanks for your help. I guess I'm back to just watching stuff I down....bought then. |
| [01:19:24] | chasep___: | I am betting that nvidia card is going to be much easier to get tv out working on as well |
| [01:19:32] | iamlindoro: | yeah, probably |
| [01:19:50] | iamlindoro: | I use DVI out but I understand the flicker filter on the nv TV outs is really good |
| [01:20:14] | iamlindoro: | and according to some eliminates the need for software deinterlacing entirely |
| [01:22:13] | chasep___: | well, there isn't much on TV worth recording at the moment anyway, my replay tv can handle it all (although that will be decommisioned once the mythbox is totally up and going). and, I can record stuff just fine. I just can't watch it via myth (I can via mplayer though) |
| [01:22:40] | PatrickDK: | setting up tv out on my nv 6200 and 5200's is easy |
| [01:22:53] | PatrickDK: | though I have nothing using tv out currently, just dvi |
| [01:25:03] | chasep___: | thanks again. |
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| [01:25:39] | PatrickDK: | iamlindoro, you ever attempt to setup a button that goes stright to the channel guide? |
| [01:26:03] | PatrickDK: | my mythfrontend locks into some black screen loop everytime I press the key I setup for it |
| [01:26:13] | iamlindoro: | PatrickDK: I do have buttons set up for that, but I *really* infrequently channel surf-- I know it works, though |
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| [01:26:24] | iamlindoro: | IIRC I had to bind a key to the jumppoint, though |
| [01:26:47] | Yahooada1: | has mythtv-setup changed in 0.21? i run mine, input the DB stuff, and then it just closes and runs mythbackend |
| [01:28:23] | iamlindoro: | There is new functionality, but running it and going through it is still more or less the same... sounds like there is a DB config/connection issu |
| [01:28:28] | iamlindoro: | er issue |
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| [01:30:53] | Yahooada1: | hmm, does mc.sql change the password :s |
| [01:31:32] | Yahooada1: | hmm, guess not, oh well |
| [01:31:56] | iamlindoro: | well it *creates* passwords-- but if you did an upgrade you should never have used mc.sql |
| [01:32:11] | Yahooada1: | its not an upgrade |
| [01:32:17] | iamlindoro: | That's only for initial creation of the db and mythtv db user |
| [01:32:18] | Yahooada1: | my parents want a media center |
| [01:32:34] | Yahooada1: | apparently, my mythbackend causes issues due to that damn autofinder thing |
| [01:32:36] | iamlindoro: | ok, they yes, if you used mc.sql it creates the mythtv user w/ password mythtv in mysql |
| [01:32:40] | iamlindoro: | er then yes |
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| [01:34:14] | st1650: | ok |
| [01:34:22] | st1650: | So I managed to get my DHCP and TFTP running fine |
| [01:34:29] | st1650: | For diskless PXE Booting |
| [01:34:36] | st1650: | Now I'm stuck at this problem |
| [01:34:53] | st1650: | It says Probing ...[RTL8139] The pci bios has not enabled this device! |
| [01:34:58] | st1650: | Which I think it's a grub error |
| [01:35:17] | st1650: | But the funny thing is my ethernet is a e1000 device, not RTL8130 |
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| [01:43:42] | Yahooada1: | im doing mythtv-setup over ssh forwarding, but the menu isnt showing up .... |
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| [01:44:39] | Landon: | ok, I have this weird problem, ... everything is showing up as static when I use the mythtv frontend |
| [01:44:58] | Landon: | but when I cat from the dev file of the tuner, it will play fine |
| [01:45:11] | Landon: | however, once I try it in mythtv its all screwed up |
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| [01:46:56] | Landon: | doh |
| [01:47:04] | Landon: | had it set to us-bcast instead of us-cable |
| [01:47:04] | Landon: | wow |
| [01:47:12] | Landon: | some of the channels worked though :\ |
| [01:47:18] | Landon: | (earlier) |
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| [01:48:59] | siXy: | Yahooada1: try forcing qt rendering not ogl. |
| [01:49:15] | Yahooada1: | how? mythtv-setup seems to ignore any args i throw at it |
| [01:49:26] | iamlindoro_: | -O ThemePainter=qt |
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| [01:52:43] | Yahooada1: | hmm, killing gdm seemed to help |
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| [02:11:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | [ot] ugh – just installed FC8 from scratch on a frontend i'm updating (via wipe & re-install) – I don't get an X windows session, and can't log in to the shell as root... yuck... |
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| [02:20:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | [ot] ok... booted through the 'recovery' mode and created a mythtv user... back in business... [still wondering what happened...] |
| [02:20:16] | Yahooada1: | J-e-f-f-A – thats what you get for using FC :p |
| [02:21:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yahooada1: Well, I've been successfully using it since FC2, so I figured I'd stay with what was familiar... ;-) I've got a test system runing Ubuntu, and so far I think I like FC better... |
| [02:21:34] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro_: you there? |
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| [02:23:52] | iamlindoro_: | yup |
| [02:29:44] | Aval0n: | hey man |
| [02:29:50] | Aval0n: | wanted your advice |
| [02:29:56] | Aval0n: | with my hd-dvd rips |
| [02:30:05] | Aval0n: | I find that they play fine for about an hour and a half |
| [02:30:13] | Aval0n: | then suddenly lose sync audio/video |
| [02:30:23] | Aval0n: | I have 1gb of ram |
| [02:30:31] | Aval0n: | and nothing else is going on, on the system |
| [02:30:52] | Aval0n: | that happens in both Internal player and mplayer |
| [02:30:59] | iamlindoro_: | Aval0n: tough to tell, but most of my rips need an explicit -fps argument (this assumes these are genuine and not MKVs) |
| [02:31:23] | Aval0n: | they are mkv |
| [02:31:52] | iamlindoro_: | What could also be happening is because your machine is marginal to be able to play some of this stuff, when you come to an intense motion-heavy scene, it reaches its limit and that would cause loss of sync too |
| [02:32:13] | Aval0n: | I don't think that's what is happening because it was transformers |
| [02:32:20] | Aval0n: | all the heavy action happened prior to this |
| [02:32:24] | Aval0n: | it was a fairly calm scene |
| [02:32:35] | Aval0n: | and when I went out of the movie |
| [02:32:42] | Aval0n: | the menus were slow for a few seconds. |
| [02:32:48] | iamlindoro_: | Aval0n: It's still 99% likely that it's your machine being too slow |
| [02:33:06] | Aval0n: | dont' think it's the RAM filling up? |
| [02:33:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: Got any tips on how to get my XB360 HD-DVD drive working for my Myth box? |
| [02:33:12] | Aval0n: | something another gig would fix? |
| [02:33:15] | iamlindoro_: | I know you don't want to believe it, but it almost certainly waht it is |
| [02:33:29] | Aval0n: | hehe |
| [02:33:30] | iamlindoro_: | Aval0n: RAM doesn't work that way, it doesn't "fill up" like that |
| [02:33:45] | Aval0n: | well it fills up and starts using swap |
| [02:33:48] | Aval0n: | and swap = slow |
| [02:33:49] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: I wrote an article on the wiki about getting it working/ripping |
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| [02:34:03] | Aval0n: | anywho thank you |
| [02:34:06] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [02:34:09] | iamlindoro_: | Aval0n: outside of a memory leak in a program, it doesn't just eat and eat ram |
| [02:34:23] | ** J-e-f-f-A ooh! <J-e-f-f-A hyperjumps to the wiki...> ;-) ** | |
| [02:34:28] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: More or less you need a UDF 2.5 kernel module and it will work plug and play after that |
| [02:34:29] | Yahooada1: | argg |
| [02:34:37] | Yahooada1: | why cant i find decent info on the interfaces file |
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| [02:34:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: humm... is my 'antique' FC6 kernel capable? |
| [02:35:10] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: Erm.... maybe not, but I don't know :) |
| [02:35:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: Ok, thanks... I'm off to google.. ;-) |
| [02:35:28] | iamlindoro_: | It's only becoming built in with Hardy Heron, so I'd guess no :) |
| [02:37:02] | Yahooadam: | is there a way to use iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| [02:37:10] | Yahooadam: | along with specifiying the encryption? |
| [02:38:43] | ** J-e-f-f-A admires iamlindoro_ 's wiki article — very detailed and well written! ;-) ** | |
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| [02:39:25] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: Thanks! I answered it *many* times before getting off my butt and finally writing it instead of continuing to answer :) |
| [02:40:43] | DustyBin: | You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." |
| [02:41:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: So is the issue with direct-from-disc playback that it would take too much cpu to decrypt and decode all at once, or that it just hasn't been 'put together' yet? |
| [02:41:55] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: No lib to decrypt on the fly |
| [02:42:10] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: Though one is in progress |
| [02:42:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: Ah. ;-) ^^ Cool! |
| [02:43:57] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: Meanwhile AnyDVD HD on windows cracked BD+ last week, so I'll stick with that for my rips for now :) |
| [02:44:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | So... Am I wasting my time installing FC8 on a slave frontend? Or should I be ok? |
| [02:44:06] | Yahooadam: | lol |
| [02:44:32] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: I can't see why it would be a huge issue |
| [02:45:07] | ** J-e-f-f-A hasn't ventured into BD yet... just barely bought the XBHD-DVD drive when the format war was lost... got some HD-DVD's cheap too... ** | |
| [02:45:16] | Yahooadam: | lol |
| [02:45:24] | Yahooadam: | seems a bit pointless ... |
| [02:45:33] | iamlindoro_: | Yarp, it's actually a nice little drive, and I'm waiting on the fire sales to pick up a ton of disks |
| [02:45:50] | iamlindoro_: | Yahooadam: How is it pointless? Plug in, rip to mythvideo, perfect 1080p material in Myth. |
| [02:46:01] | Yahooadam: | whats the point in buying a drive your cant/wont be able to get media for soon? |
| [02:46:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Me too... Best Buy has their HD-DVD discs at 30% off.. still higher than I want to pay... |
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| [02:46:17] | iamlindoro_: | Yahooadam: The existing 600+ disks that you can get and rip today? |
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| [02:46:46] | Yahooadam: | but thats it ... |
| [02:47:02] | Yahooadam: | you cant buy writable disks, and after those 600, thats the end of it |
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| [02:47:26] | iamlindoro_: | So? There's plenty of good material you can get for next to nothing, and plenty that's worth having and ripping to MythVideo-- and the drive is $70 now. |
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| [02:48:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yahooadam: Yeah, well, for me – my only other HD source is OTA, so it was a cheap HD investment, compared to $400+ for just the blueray player... |
| [02:48:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: try $49 ... for the Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive... |
| [02:48:54] | Yahooadam: | guess its not that bad |
| [02:48:56] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: Ah, even better :) |
| [02:49:06] | Yahooadam: | if they had got to the HD-DVD-R point, it might be tempting to me |
| [02:50:44] | iamlindoro_: | Yahooadam: There are both the drives and the writable media |
| [02:50:51] | iamlindoro_: | though good look continuing to find that |
| [02:50:55] | iamlindoro_: | er doo luck |
| [02:51:28] | iamlindoro_: | argh, *good* |
| [02:51:41] | squish102: | how do i start a mythfrontend on a machine from a remote ssh session? |
| [02:52:09] | iamlindoro_: | squish102: "mythfrontend" |
| [02:52:19] | iamlindoro_: | presuming you tunneled X |
| [02:52:31] | squish102: | iamlindoro_ nope just a putty ssh session |
| [02:52:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: I have to admit that I got it wrong with HD-DVD vs BlueRay.... I thought that HD-DVD was going to win because it was easier for existing DVD manufacturers to make, and it was first to market... but I didn't realize it's poor movie-company support and lack of region codes... |
| [02:52:44] | squish102: | and i want it to start on the frontend |
| [02:52:48] | iamlindoro_: | squish102: If you don't have an X server, you can't |
| [02:53:13] | squish102: | it is just very difficult to star t mythfrontend from the tv |
| [02:53:22] | squish102: | and mythfrontend crashed |
| [02:53:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: I think he wants to restart it on the primary x server on the frontend, and he's ssh'd into the box... |
| [02:53:38] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, appears so |
| [02:53:48] | iamlindoro_: | squish102: probably easier to VNC in, then |
| [02:53:49] | squish102: | yip, can I do that somehow? |
| [02:54:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: jared has a 'howto' on his page to make a 'wife-friendly' button to restart mythfrontend — you should configure a button for it... ;-) |
| [02:54:07] | iamlindoro_: | or stop asking in here, go plug in a mouse, and do it there ;) |
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| [02:55:03] | squish102: | J-e-f-f-A, check out his site... i remember that now |
| [02:55:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/tips.php |
| [02:55:45] | squish102: | iamlindoro_ i have so much overscan it is difficult to click |
| [02:56:03] | iamlindoro_: | squish102: You'd be done by now ;) |
| [02:57:40] | squish102: | mythfrontend -display 127.0.0.1:0.0 seemed to work |
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| [03:04:01] | robbins876: | I put all of my movies into a new install of mythtv, but they don't play the second movie file after the first is done |
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| [03:04:17] | robbins876: | i need ot edit the database to reflect this, but i need a quick way to do it, rather than doing them all by hand |
| [03:05:10] | iamlindoro_: | There's really no quick way, you're probably going to have to hand-do it |
| [03:05:22] | robbins876: | alright |
| [03:05:33] | robbins876: | what's the name of the app that opens mysql databases? |
| [03:05:55] | iamlindoro_: | If you mean allows you to pass SQL commands, then it's mysql |
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| [03:06:18] | robbins876: | it was a gui |
| [03:06:40] | iamlindoro_: | There are tons-- phpmyadmin is probably most common among myth users |
| [03:07:04] | robbins876: | will mysql-administrator work? |
| [03:07:30] | iamlindoro_: | never heard of it |
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| [03:15:15] | andyman53: | Hey all |
| [03:15:57] | andyman53: | I went to optical disks to burn a dvd of a show and i got something about having mytharchive version that wasn't consistant with the current version of mythtv version .20 |
| [03:16:27] | andyman53: | so i went and got the binaries for mythtv-plugins |
| [03:16:43] | andyman53: | and they wouldn't compile without a file called mythconfig.mak |
| [03:16:48] | andyman53: | whch i don't have... |
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| [03:28:20] | andyman53: | anyone? |
| [03:28:31] | A-: | mythtv won't automatically update any channel info for digital signals, will it? Say a local (atsc) channel adds a new subchannel, will I have to rescan using mythtv-setup to find it? |
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| [03:29:42] | iamlindoro_: | A-: Yes, you shall |
| [03:30:03] | iamlindoro_: | andyman53: mythconfig.mak comes from libmyth, which is installed when you compile myth from source |
| [03:30:21] | andyman53: | i didn't though. I'm pretty sure i used yum |
| [03:30:33] | iamlindoro_: | andyman53: Myth is complaining because you allowed some plugin to be updated w/o the rest of myth, or vice versa |
| [03:30:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | A-: I think they will show up if your listing source adds them, and you've configured it to give you the new channels... |
| [03:30:49] | A-: | iamlindoro_: sweet, think I'm gonna append 1xx to all of my analoge cable channels and 2xx to all of my digital channels in the db. didn't want it "fixing" them for me. :) |
| [03:30:50] | andyman53: | yeah it was vice versa IIRC |
| [03:31:15] | andyman53: | how can you get digital cable channels? |
| [03:31:20] | andyman53: | lirc? |
| [03:31:41] | iamlindoro_: | andyman53: lirc is for ir control |
| [03:31:44] | andyman53: | yeah |
| [03:31:51] | iamlindoro_: | so how would IR give you digital cable? |
| [03:31:58] | A-: | J-e-f-f-A: good to know, thanks |
| [03:32:03] | andyman53: | you can control the set top box |
| [03:32:04] | iamlindoro_: | aside from controlling a cable box with it and capturing them in analog |
| [03:32:07] | andyman53: | yeah |
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| [03:32:19] | iamlindoro_: | andyman53: In that case you're controlling a STB and capturing in analog, nothing digital about it |
| [03:32:32] | andyman53: | mythtv recognizes cablecards? |
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| [03:32:35] | iamlindoro_: | nope |
| [03:32:46] | andyman53: | so how would you get digital cable? |
| [03:33:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | andyman53: non-encrypted channels |
| [03:33:07] | iamlindoro_: | via QAM tuning for unencrypted channels, and a lucky few get digital channels via firewire |
| [03:33:14] | andyman53: | i see |
| [03:33:29] | andyman53: | anyways |
| [03:33:31] | andyman53: | back to my problem |
| [03:33:36] | iamlindoro_: | for most people unencrypted channels = local and network TV only |
| [03:33:39] | andyman53: | is there a package i can get to solve this problem? |
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| [03:34:04] | iamlindoro_: | andyman53: Figure out which one got left back and contact your packager to determine if there's a version that matches the rest of your mythtv |
| [03:34:40] | andyman53: | so i can't really use myth-plugins |
| [03:34:51] | iamlindoro_: | you can if you get your versions matched up |
| [03:35:06] | andyman53: | my myth tv is .021 |
| [03:35:10] | andyman53: | and the plugins are .20 |
| [03:35:11] | andyman53: | somehow |
| [03:35:17] | iamlindoro_: | ok... so you know what to do then |
| [03:35:34] | andyman53: | but i'm trying to install mythplugins .21 |
| [03:35:45] | iamlindoro_: | Right. And? |
| [03:35:46] | andyman53: | i don't know how to contact the packager |
| [03:35:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | andyman53: Did you compile from source? |
| [03:35:51] | andyman53: | no. I used yum |
| [03:36:01] | JohnMahowald: | Which repository? |
| [03:36:11] | andyman53: | freshrpms |
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| [03:36:14] | JohnMahowald: | atrpms should have .21 rpms |
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| [03:36:30] | andyman53: | ok |
| [03:37:38] | andyman53: | you know the package name by anychance? |
| [03:37:44] | JohnMahowald: | Which do you require, .21, plugins, or both? |
| [03:38:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: btw- I didn't get around to .21 on the xbox tonight... FC8 is still updating on my slave frontend... (Wanted to get a HD-capable frontend working on .21 first for my bedroom...) |
| [03:38:16] | JohnMahowald: | No I installed *myth* |
| [03:38:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: ... and now it's time to get some sleep... ;-) Oh well, proabably tomorrow... ;-) |
| [03:38:28] | JohnMahowald: | Matching most packages |
| [03:38:32] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: I don't think we talked about that-- I don't do xbox :) |
| [03:38:42] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: all the same, let me know how it ends up working :) |
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| [03:39:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: Oops, it was directhex|work .. ;-) |
| [03:39:55] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: ah, well we're the transatlantic versions of one another ;) |
| [03:40:30] | andyman53: | J-e-f-f-A: the plugins |
| [03:40:38] | andyman53: | for .21 |
| [03:41:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | andyman53: I've installed from source the last couple of years — but if I look at my svn plugins directory.... I see... |
| [03:42:03] | andyman53: | thanks |
| [03:42:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | andyman53: http://pastebin.ca/959101 |
| [03:43:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | andyman53: (Probably could have just typed them here, but I was feeling lazy, and I've gotta hit the sack anyways...) ;-) |
| [03:43:47] | andyman53: | the package name will be mytharchive on yum? |
| [03:44:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | andyman53: I think you can do something like "yum search myth*" ... but if that's wrong, 'man yum' should pave the way... |
| [03:45:06] | andyman53: | ok |
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| [03:45:50] | ** J-e-f-f-A g'night guys... ZZZzzz.... ** | |
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| [03:51:35] | robbins61: | Man, I wish mythvideo would have just figured out which video to play after the first half by itself...i mean, holy shit. This is going to take forever |
| [03:54:13] | andyman53: | is anyone having a problem with atrpms? |
| [03:54:23] | robbins61: | what kind of problem? |
| [03:54:24] | andyman53: | nvm |
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| [03:54:42] | andyman53: | actually |
| [03:54:43] | andyman53: | yeah |
| [03:54:45] | andyman53: | i'm getting a 404 |
| [03:54:48] | andyman53: | i just added the repo |
| [03:55:15] | andyman53: | "cannot open/read repomd.xml file for repository: atrpms" |
| [03:55:29] | robbins61: | what version of fedora? |
| [03:55:33] | andyman53: | 6 |
| [03:55:55] | robbins61: | they no longer have that repo, i don't believe |
| [03:56:01] | andyman53: | oh damn it |
| [03:56:07] | robbins61: | i ran into that same issue |
| [03:56:14] | andyman53: | fc6 wasn't put out more than a yr ago |
| [03:56:31] | andyman53: | or i should say was still in circulation |
| [03:57:18] | robbins61: | they've just got 7, 8 and 9 |
| [03:57:20] | robbins61: | it looks like |
| [03:57:26] | andyman53: | 9??? |
| [03:57:30] | andyman53: | there's a fc9? |
| [03:57:39] | andyman53: | wow |
| [03:58:11] | robbins61: | the beta came out yesterday |
| [03:58:16] | andyman53: | freshrpms still has 6 |
| [03:58:28] | andyman53: | any other repos that might have myth rpms? |
| [03:58:39] | robbins61: | i was about to ask you the same thing |
| [03:58:46] | andyman53: | lol |
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| [03:59:22] | andyman53: | thats rediculous though |
| [03:59:32] | andyman53: | its not like i'm running aix 2 |
| [04:00:27] | robbins61: | agreed |
| [04:00:42] | siXy: | andyman53: if you want not to reinstall every 6 months: centos. |
| [04:00:46] | robbins61: | so, i have to take apart this NES PC, get a cd drive and install fedora 8 |
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| [04:01:10] | robbins61: | siXy, he could, or he could stick with the best distro around |
| [04:01:44] | andyman53: | i started on fedora |
| [04:01:49] | andyman53: | its suited me well |
| [04:01:51] | andyman53: | and still is |
| [04:02:06] | andyman53: | well here it is folks |
| [04:02:09] | siXy: | distrowars--. |
| [04:02:09] | andyman53: | yum update myth* |
| [04:02:16] | andyman53: | no package marked for obseletion |
| [04:02:23] | andyman53: | any other tips? |
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| [04:02:56] | destructar_: | anyone have any luck setting up apple remote control wth HDHomeRun using lircd in udp mode? |
| [04:03:15] | andyman53: | and uh yeah |
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| [04:03:19] | andyman53: | the myth archive package is there |
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| [04:03:37] | andyman53: | .20 and marked current |
| [04:03:41] | pembo13: | someone here said i couldn't play .nuv files in mythtv... here to say i'm doing it right no |
| [04:03:42] | pembo13: | w |
| [04:03:58] | andyman53: | ugh |
| [04:04:30] | siXy: | pembo13: just because someone can join an irc channel does not make them clever. |
| [04:04:48] | pembo13: | siXy: hmm.. ok |
| [04:04:54] | pembo13: | siXy: what's your point |
| [04:05:05] | robbins61: | andyman53, have you thought about updating? |
| [04:05:05] | siXy: | 'someone here said' |
| [04:05:11] | pembo13: | siXy: was it you i was having that discussion? |
| [04:05:11] | andyman53: | lol |
| [04:05:16] | pembo13: | i forgot whom it was with |
| [04:05:17] | siXy: | no. |
| [04:05:21] | andyman53: | it took me about 3 weeks to get everything on mythtv working right |
| [04:05:26] | andyman53: | i dunno if i wanna go through that again |
| [04:05:47] | robbins61: | andyman53, was that the first time you installed linux/myth? |
| [04:05:55] | andyman53: | one of them |
| [04:06:01] | andyman53: | myth ye |
| [04:06:03] | andyman53: | *yes |
| [04:06:09] | robbins61: | it gets easier, have you seen wilson's guide? |
| [04:06:11] | pembo13: | andyman53: yum install wasn't an option? |
| [04:06:29] | andyman53: | pembo13: heh? |
| [04:06:30] | robbins61: | http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ |
| [04:06:38] | andyman53: | yeah i used some kind of a guide |
| [04:06:46] | andyman53: | but had to self solve a couple of other problems |
| [04:06:49] | andyman53: | with the help of you guys |
| [04:06:51] | siXy: | andyman53: disto-evangelists aside, centos is very similar to fedora. you getto reinstall every couple of years, not every 6 months. |
| [04:06:51] | andyman53: | this was like last summer |
| [04:06:56] | pembo13: | andyman53: in fedora (and some other distros) yum install mythtv is more or elss enough for me |
| [04:07:10] | andyman53: | yeah i think thats what i did |
| [04:07:12] | andyman53: | the first time |
| [04:07:14] | andyman53: | a yum install |
| [04:07:18] | robbins61: | andyman53, the more you do it, the easier it gets |
| [04:07:19] | andyman53: | but had to fix a whole bunch of bugs |
| [04:07:24] | andyman53: | mhmm |
| [04:07:27] | andyman53: | thats true |
| [04:07:47] | robbins61: | i switched to fedora from windows about 2 years ago, and i remember the first time i installed fedora |
| [04:07:49] | robbins61: | i mean, myht |
| [04:07:51] | robbins61: | myth |
| [04:08:03] | robbins61: | anduin helped me out for like 10 hours |
| [04:08:04] | pembo13: | mchou, ping |
| [04:08:09] | robbins61: | it was insane |
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| [04:08:16] | andyman53: | well i dunno if i really wanna mess with this system |
| [04:08:20] | andyman53: | i have a LVM |
| [04:08:25] | andyman53: | and about 300 gigs of tv shows |
| [04:08:47] | pembo13: | andyman53: with packages, it takes me about 30 mins to get things installed, getitng things perfect takes longer |
| [04:08:48] | robbins61: | you can backup your myth database and reload it |
| [04:09:00] | andyman53: | i'll have to |
| [04:09:11] | robbins61: | do you not have a spare drive to store the data on while you re-install? |
| [04:09:39] | andyman53: | all of it? |
| [04:09:41] | andyman53: | no |
| [04:09:51] | robbins61: | you chump. |
| [04:09:51] | andyman53: | i have 350gb of movies |
| [04:09:58] | andyman53: | lol |
| [04:10:04] | robbins61: | i bought a new drive because i knew i was going to have to re-install |
| [04:10:40] | andyman53: | i would yum install mythtv |
| [04:10:46] | andyman53: | except we're already doing the fc6 dance |
| [04:10:49] | robbins61: | yum install mythtv-suite |
| [04:10:56] | andyman53: | so i have to reinstall my OS |
| [04:11:12] | andyman53: | mytharchive really isn't this important |
| [04:11:17] | robbins61: | i dont' know if there's anyway to get f6 to work with the new atrpms repo |
| [04:11:19] | andyman53: | i can just take the mpegs and copy them |
| [04:11:28] | andyman53: | and tovid them to a dvd |
| [04:11:36] | andyman53: | but getting mytharchive to work would've been nice |
| [04:11:45] | andyman53: | very nice actually |
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| [04:23:59] | destructar_: | hi all. I just configured my apple remote to work with lirc via udp... I'm wondering if there's a setting to make mythtv use lirc specifically with udp? |
| [04:25:09] | noclue: | does anyone know of a fix for the .ICEauthority issue with mytharchive other than just deleting it before doing anything with mytharchive? |
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| [04:29:49] | Agrajag-: | after upgrading to 0.21 recordings are all failing. logs say "DVBChan(1:0) Error: SetChannelByString(21): Failed to initialize multiplex options" and "TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 21. Reverting to kState_None". why might this be? |
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| [04:57:50] | _banyan: | what does this mean? "RemoteFile::openSocket(control socket): Could not connect to server "" @ port -1" I got this after starting to use a recent 0.21 update. |
| [04:59:07] | clever: | grep: "/tmp/mythtv"/libs/libmyth/mythcontext.h: No such file or directory |
| [04:59:15] | clever: | i made a fresh checkout |
| [04:59:17] | clever: | and it still errored |
| [04:59:28] | clever: | its not something i did to my working dir |
| [04:59:37] | clever: | its refusing to compile |
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| [04:59:59] | Anduin: | clever: Is there more context? |
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| [05:00:11] | clever: | Anduin: its the version.sh script |
| [05:00:20] | clever: | make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/mythtv/libs/libmythupnp' |
| [05:00:20] | clever: | sh /tmp/mythtv/version.sh \"/tmp/mythtv\" \"": http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv/version.pro "\" |
| [05:00:24] | clever: | grep: "/tmp/mythtv"/libs/libmyth/mythcontext.h: No such file or directory |
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| [05:04:43] | clever: | Anduin: any idea? |
| [05:04:59] | Anduin: | clever: The file actually exists? |
| [05:05:03] | clever: | yes |
| [05:05:16] | clever: | ls -l "/tmp/mythtv"/libs/libmyth/mythcontext.h |
| [05:05:16] | clever: | -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 12347 Mar 26 06:49 /tmp/mythtv/libs/libmyth/mythcontext.h |
| [05:05:47] | _banyan: | why would my backend (which is the only one) open a socket to talk back to itself in order to copy a file? and never mind that, where is the setting for this? |
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| [05:10:21] | Anduin: | clever: I have no idea why |
| [05:10:25] | clever: | :( |
| [05:10:32] | clever: | cant build mythtv anymore |
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| [05:11:58] | Anduin: | clever: You are are building trunk? |
| [05:12:04] | clever: | yep |
| [05:12:11] | clever: | URL: http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv |
| [05:12:13] | clever: | Revision: 16813 |
| [05:12:14] | clever: | Last Changed Rev: 16813 |
| [05:12:19] | Computer_Czar: | When I go to play a video that I have recorded with Mythtv should it have an english name (Star Wars Episode ...) instead of 3310_20080326XXXXX?? |
| [05:12:33] | clever: | and i had to install some qt4 stuff before configure would even run |
| [05:12:38] | Anduin: | Computer_Czar: No |
| [05:12:50] | Anduin: | Computer_Czar: If you mean the actual file |
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| [05:13:03] | Computer_Czar: | Anduin: No just the browser in Mythtv |
| [05:13:18] | Anduin: | clever: Yeah, I'd make sure you are not accidentally using the qt3 qmake |
| [05:13:33] | clever: | Anduin: i'll try removing the qt3 |
| [05:13:34] | clever: | dev |
| [05:13:37] | Anduin: | Computer_Czar: Then yes, you should see the show name. |
| [05:13:42] | clever: | need the qt3 lib for the current myth to stay working |
| [05:13:42] | psm321: | what might cause bttv to spew this at me constantly for about 10 minutes and then start working? (i get these once in a while sometimes but never for this long) |
| [05:13:45] | psm321: | [ 1122.055033] bttv0: timeout: drop=0 irq=407/36547, risc=3754803c, bits: VSYNC HSYNC OFLOW |
| [05:13:45] | psm321: | [ 1122.055183] bttv0: reset, reinitialize |
| [05:14:05] | Computer_Czar: | Anduin: I noticed when I connect with MythTVPlayer in Windows I see the correct names (or maybe the names that were in the guide) but I don't see them from Linux unless when I browse my videos directory |
| [05:14:12] | Anduin: | clever: make sure to be careful to clean up the existing Makefiles, qt3 can get wedges in there rather easily and is hard to get out. |
| [05:14:40] | Anduin: | Computer_Czar: This is in the Watch Recordings screen? |
| [05:14:46] | clever: | Anduin: i was testing on a FRESH checkout with no changes |
| [05:14:49] | clever: | and it still errored |
| [05:15:17] | Anduin: | clever: Sure, but it isn't fresh after you try to build (if you had the qt3 qmake called somewhere in there) |
| [05:15:25] | clever: | yeah |
| [05:15:31] | Computer_Czar: | Anduin: No watch videos ... but I browse the directory that is storing my LiveTV recordings |
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| [05:16:38] | Anduin: | Computer_Czar: Yeah, the physical file is not a friendly name, the DB record is used to get the show name. There is something in contrib that you can run periodically to rename the files (or just create symlinks with proper names). |
| [05:17:04] | Computer_Czar: | Anduin: Thank you |
| [05:17:10] | clever: | mythrename |
| [05:17:27] | Anduin: | Yeah, I think there is something newer (only reason I didn't mention it) |
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| [05:20:10] | Anduin: | (but looking it seems I'm wrong) |
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| [06:11:41] | RyeBrye: | My Mythbox just seemed to go crazy on me... I ran a yum update on it and rebooted, and now GRUB doesn't even come up – just a blank blinking cursor |
| [06:11:42] | RyeBrye: | :( |
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| [06:11:55] | ** RyeBrye is booting with a Knoppix live cd he had lying around to see if he can figure anything out ** | |
| [06:12:05] | ** RyeBrye scratches head ** | |
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| [06:33:36] | ** tjcarter hands RyeBrye an AppleTV ;) ** | |
| [06:33:40] | ** tjcarter ducks ** | |
| [06:33:46] | _banyan: | Does the new .21 backend require mythtv.txt to go somewhere different? |
| [06:34:13] | _banyan: | I am getting zero-length recordings and a complaint that the backend can't find mythtv.txt, so... |
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| [06:37:53] | _banyan: | sorry, it's mysql.txt it can't find. |
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| [06:55:41] | _banyan: | where does the back end look for mysql.txt? |
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| [06:56:16] | anenigma: | presumably ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt and then /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt, as usual. |
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| [07:01:35] | RyeBrye: | I'm pretty sure it's a GRUB issue |
| [07:02:16] | ** RyeBrye is not happy with yum update for screwing his grub up ** | |
| [07:02:40] | ** RyeBrye thinks screwing his computer up should be his job, not the package manager's ** | |
| [07:06:15] | _banyan: | my backend has recently taken to complaining just before each recording that it can't find mysql.txt and then subsequently making a zero length file. My live tv works ok but obviously recordings won't till I fix this. What's going on? |
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| [07:22:35] | ** RyeBrye is happy... http://fedorasolved.org/installation-solutions/dd-db-fix told him how to fix his grub and get his machine to boot again ** | |
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| [07:32:49] | _banyan: | from what g*d* location does the m*f*king backend try to read the c*s*ing mysql.txt? |
| [07:33:13] | _banyan: | Do I have to copy the stinking file into every directory on my computer and hope for the best or... |
| [07:34:11] | RyeBrye: | It's in the user directory of the running user for mythbackend |
| [07:34:18] | RyeBrye: | /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [07:34:26] | RyeBrye: | /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [07:34:26] | RyeBrye: | etc |
| [07:35:04] | _banyan: | I have to see whether I have such a user. |
| [07:35:08] | RyeBrye: | http://pastebin.ca/959221 is what mine looks like |
| [07:35:14] | RyeBrye: | Well... what user is running MythtV? |
| [07:35:22] | _banyan: | If I do, there is no home directory for mythtv. |
| [07:35:26] | RyeBrye: | when the backend is running ps -ax | grep mythtv |
| [07:36:30] | RyeBrye: | err.. that wont do it |
| [07:36:31] | _banyan: | ok... |
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| [07:37:28] | RyeBrye: | ps -ef | grep mythbackend will though |
| [07:37:34] | RyeBrye: | just look for "USER=" in that line |
| [07:37:41] | RyeBrye: | and that user is whoever you are running the backend as |
| [07:37:51] | RyeBrye: | and make sure that the database settings exist in that users home directory |
| [07:38:52] | RyeBrye: | anyway... I'm off to bed |
| [07:38:54] | RyeBrye: | good luck |
| [07:39:17] | _banyan: | my mythtv user is indeed in existence. |
| [07:39:28] | _banyan: | home dir is /var/lib/mythtv |
| [07:39:40] | _banyan: | so I guess I have to make a .mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [07:40:13] | RyeBrye: | yeah |
| [07:40:20] | RyeBrye: | do you know what your db settings are? |
| [07:40:40] | RyeBrye: | ... did it ever work for you, or are you just getting set up? |
| [07:40:54] | _banyan: | It worked till yesterday. |
| [07:40:59] | RyeBrye: | ok |
| [07:41:14] | _banyan: | now I have 0.21 080309 revision tho. |
| [07:41:30] | RyeBrye: | did you try to "updatedb | grep locate mysql.txt" to see if it existed on your HD somewhere? |
| [07:41:40] | RyeBrye: | err not the grep |
| [07:41:44] | ** RyeBrye is too tired ** | |
| [07:41:57] | RyeBrye: | "updatedb & locate mysql.txt" |
| [07:42:00] | _banyan: | sure, it's in lots of places, just not the right one. |
| [07:42:03] | RyeBrye: | oh |
| [07:42:07] | RyeBrye: | yeah, try putting it there |
| [07:42:19] | RyeBrye: | if that's the homedir of the user running mythbackend, that should do the trick |
| [07:42:49] | _banyan: | but the thing is running under rooot, and the file is under /root/.mythtv/ |
| [07:43:05] | RyeBrye: | ? |
| [07:43:11] | RyeBrye: | the root user is running it? |
| [07:43:29] | RyeBrye: | If the root user is running mythtv – then /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt should be where you put it |
| [07:43:45] | _banyan: | that's the only way to set the realtime flag if I am not mistaken. |
| [07:43:55] | RyeBrye: | I have my backend run as root because I don't give a crap about security on my DVR box... |
| [07:44:25] | RyeBrye: | so my mysql.txt file is in /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
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| [07:46:33] | _banyan: | Now it's got a different complaint anyway... maybe progress... no backendserverIP. |
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| [07:47:33] | RyeBrye: | strange |
| [07:48:06] | RyeBrye: | sounds like your installation is screwey somehow |
| [07:48:36] | RyeBrye: | I've got to go to sleep now though – I was really tired 2 hours ago... and now I'm REALLY REALLY tired |
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| [08:36:59] | nobody99: | has anybody experience with the script ofdb.py ? |
| [08:37:20] | nobody99: | I cant't get it to work |
| [08:38:10] | nobody99: | I always get the following error: |
| [08:38:11] | nobody99: | UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 437–442: unsupported Unicode code range |
| [08:39:00] | nobody99: | I also read Ticket #4917, but I can't solve the problem |
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| [09:47:53] | sam__: | anyone know if the new myth 0.21 alows multiple clients/fronends to watch same channel on live-tv now? havent upgraded yet? |
| [09:48:23] | justinh: | it does, yet it doesn't |
| [09:48:26] | directhex|bsp: | sam__, digital or analog tv? |
| [09:48:37] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: doesn't make any difference |
| [09:48:43] | directhex|bsp: | it's always kinda sorta allowed it, via going to "recordings" and picking the livetv recording |
| [09:48:59] | justinh: | yeah now if all tuners are in use it'll give thr user a choice |
| [09:49:33] | justinh: | but the frontends which join in viewing after the initial frontend will not be able to change channels etc |
| [09:49:54] | justinh: | (which makes total sense) |
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| [09:51:09] | sam__: | digital, using a DVB-S card |
| [09:52:04] | justinh: | then the case is slightly different |
| [09:52:07] | sam__: | directhex|bsp: but what about for digita |
| [09:52:23] | hashbang: | justinh: if he's using DVB-S, and multirec, then possibly could switch channels within the same mplex? I haven't tried that, though. |
| [09:52:26] | sam__: | justinh: how so? |
| [09:52:58] | directhex|bsp: | sam__, 0.21 allows multiple channels on the same multiplex (transponder) to be watched at the same time with a single tuner |
| [09:53:37] | justinh: | one tuner has always been far too limiting for a useful PVR |
| [09:53:51] | sam__: | wow cant wait to upgrade |
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| [09:54:14] | justinh: | yeah well, wait a bit. back up your database etc etc etc etc |
| [09:54:24] | sam__: | justinh: but two tuners are starting to look good.. |
| [09:54:27] | justinh: | a rushed upgrade is all too often a borked upgrade |
| [09:55:21] | directhex|bsp: | but a borked upgrade is not always a rushed upgrade |
| [09:55:40] | sam__: | secondly the encode our FTA channels using irdeto here.. will that also work with for a single multiplex? |
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| [09:56:00] | justinh: | depends on your CAM |
| [09:56:03] | directhex|bsp: | sam__, using a hardware CAM? maybe |
| [09:56:22] | justinh: | some allow multiple channels to be decoded at the same time, some don't |
| [09:56:52] | justinh: | strictly speaking, that isn't FTA – it's FTV |
| [09:56:58] | sam__: | was using sasc-ng, on myth 0.20 |
| [09:57:27] | sam__: | justinh: true |
| [09:57:28] | justinh: | we don't support the use of that here, and you can't talk about it here either |
| [09:57:38] | sam__: | sorry.. |
| [09:58:09] | justinh: | so technically do you need a viewing card for everything? |
| [09:58:18] | sam__: | its just strange.. im from south africa.. and they broadcast local tv in analog |
| [09:58:36] | sam__: | ...and digitall too, but encrypted.. |
| [09:58:42] | justinh: | starting to sound like what Sky TV does in the UK :( Except Sky don't provide CAMs |
| [09:59:16] | sam__: | theres no legal issue i dont think.. but thats fine.. coz my other card has a hw CAM that i can us for premium channels.. |
| [09:59:48] | sam__: | theres no CAMs for those local channels either.. |
| [10:00:11] | justinh: | yeah well the sad fact of the matter is that has some uses which definitely are not legal – which is why this channel has to be careful |
| [10:00:46] | sam__: | sure.. |
| [10:00:49] | sam__: | understood... |
| [10:03:58] | justinh: | ffs what's with the worldwide fascination with dvb-h? It's the biggest waste of band space ever :( Ooo great, mobile TV on my phone! No, wait.. you want me to PAY?! F.O. ! |
| [10:05:00] | hashbang: | justinh: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2 . . . films-mobile # even more stupid |
| [10:06:25] | justinh: | I'll def. be putting a dish up before the year's out. I don't expect to be able to use DVB-T2 on a PC for HD |
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| [10:08:09] | justinh: | ofcom keep rabbiting on about dvb-t2 yet strangely no hardware exists yet – that and the fact the ink on the T2 standard isn't dry yet |
| [10:09:30] | justinh: | why couldn't everything just be left in the hands of the BBC? they at least have a clue damnit |
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| [10:14:19] | sam__: | true.. DVB-H a joke it seems.. |
| [10:14:28] | sam__: | are they piloting it there already? |
| [10:14:56] | justinh: | they had a brief trial a while back |
| [10:15:10] | sam__: | ok |
| [10:15:27] | justinh: | I think they see it as a guaranteed revenue stream of silly proportions |
| [10:16:03] | justinh: | though according to one outcome of the first trial, all the users loved it but virtually none said it was worth paying for :) |
| [10:16:19] | justinh: | like DUH ! |
| [10:17:36] | directhex|bsp: | any guesses what to press to switch input on an apc kvm? |
| [10:18:26] | justinh: | rtfm ? |
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| [10:20:01] | justinh: | ouch. just pulled a manual for an APC kvm.. looks tricky |
| [10:20:51] | sam__: | with mythtv 0.22 in qt4 maybe we can get a frontend working on the iphone |
| [10:21:12] | sam__: | or maybe just port the macosx port.. |
| [10:21:36] | sam__: | think it will work, just need to compile for ARM processos.. the fmpeg stuff is what worries me.. |
| [10:21:45] | justinh: | the cynic in me would just say WHY? |
| [10:22:48] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: anyway, a doc hints that pressing numlock & hyphen at the same time should do something |
| [10:22:55] | sam__: | many people are already watching their movies/podcasts on the iphone, ipods.. so why not live tv too |
| [10:23:02] | sam__: | and recordings? |
| [10:23:15] | justinh: | people with a lot more money than sense, IMHO |
| [10:23:33] | sam__: | not really.. |
| [10:23:55] | justinh: | no, really |
| [10:24:05] | sam__: | LOL!! |
| [10:24:15] | justinh: | phone costs, network costs.. sheesh |
| [10:24:36] | justinh: | I admit it's not the most expensive shiny brick ever made but.. |
| [10:24:43] | sam__: | sorry.. i didnt mean a frontend on the go.. |
| [10:24:52] | sam__: | just inhouse over wifi |
| [10:25:39] | justinh: | why, when there's a nice 32" TV opposite my couch? ;) |
| [10:25:59] | sam__: | i was already using transcoding srcipt to convert my recordings coz kidz would hog the tv sometimes.. |
| [10:26:24] | justinh: | let them have the tiny little screen :D |
| [10:26:32] | sam__: | and i'd endup watching my tvshows on my iphone in the verandah... |
| [10:26:54] | justinh: | wow. not my priorities :) |
| [10:27:18] | sam__: | its not that bad.. it looks better that the Nokia 800 or 810 |
| [10:27:22] | justinh: | I'll be like OI ! get off that & go outside to get some fresh air & exercise you lazy bums! |
| [10:27:36] | sam__: | and for those there full frontends already.. |
| [10:28:22] | sam__: | LOL |
| [10:30:48] | sam__: | besides just managing my recordings, and recording schedule would be nice.. i already use mythweb |
| [10:31:04] | sam__: | but would be so much better as a full app.. |
| [10:31:25] | sam__: | suppose its all about scratching the itch hey.. |
| [10:31:32] | sam__: | if it itches enough.. |
| [10:31:53] | justinh: | personally I'd be more about getting the frontend more right first |
| [10:31:54] | sam__: | i think i would rather do one for android that for apple.. |
| [10:33:42] | sam__: | apple dont care about FOSS |
| [10:33:47] | sam__: | they just use us.. |
| [10:36:39] | directhex|bsp: | found the problem |
| [10:36:40] | directhex|bsp: | the cable at the back of the monitor tray had come loose. hence the screen working, but keyboard seemingly not |
| [10:38:20] | justinh: | I don't care much about FOSS either |
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| [10:38:47] | justinh: | not anymore. fucking leeches who do nothing but whine about people's hard work |
| [10:40:09] | elkin: | hi, does anyone know how to disable the programid, as using german EPG xmltv makes Episodes into Movies and does not record them |
| [10:41:13] | justinh: | elkin: go see the author of your grabber, then :) |
| [10:42:05] | elkin: | does the grabber add the programid? I looked into the code and it seems that it does not. |
| [10:42:12] | justinh: | elkin: btw are you still developing elkin-wide ? |
| [10:42:32] | justinh: | elkin: programid is a unique ID provided by the guide data |
| [10:42:38] | elkin: | yes, I was planing to do a revamp for 0.21 |
| [10:43:16] | elkin: | justinh: strange, .... i will open the xml in vi to see if its in there, wait a minute |
| [10:45:30] | elkin: | ahh, and I was thinking of moving to a 16:10 and 16:9 theme, as I now have both a 22 inch flat screen an a 2m projector in different sizes |
| [10:46:26] | justinh: | elkin: can't have a 16:10 theme yet |
| [10:46:57] | justinh: | and fwiw, don't do too many themes anyway – there are a lot of changes coming |
| [10:47:57] | elkin: | justinh: checked, you are right (as usual) the xml contains no programid but category Film and I asume mythtv converts that into a programid that is fixed for all episodes |
| [10:48:06] | ccooke: | justinh: anything interesting from an external viewpoint? |
| [10:48:44] | justinh: | ccooke: what do you mean? |
| [10:49:42] | directhex|bsp: | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/26/apple . . . ula_paradox/ :) |
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| [10:50:56] | ccooke: | justinh: just interested. I was wondering what sort of changes a user might notice were coming. I'm actually in a position to safely run test frontends now, so I'm considering keeping up with svn again :-) |
| [10:51:22] | justinh: | read the -commits and -dev lists |
| [10:53:16] | justinh: | oh great. this version of software works great but won't allow the app to be ftp'd to flash |
| [10:53:42] | directhex|bsp: | you make the world of embedded computing sound like a big plate of bullshit & chips |
| [10:53:52] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: isn't it? |
| [10:54:32] | justinh: | or is it just our programmers who are overworked & never really allowed to do a job properly because they're hopping between platforms every 5 minutes? |
| [10:55:23] | justinh: | ever since we moved away from a proper UI to a webpage-based one using java it's all gone to hell in a handcart |
| [10:55:28] | directhex|bsp: | just stick with via pico-itx and windows xp embedded. job jobbed! |
| [10:56:28] | justinh: | html with single pixel high lines looks 'great' on a composite video output |
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| [10:57:23] | justinh: | no flicker filter on the video encoder we use either.. cheapskates |
| [10:57:43] | elkin: | justinh: thanks, commented out the Catergory field writing in the grabber, as the source has it all mixed up |
| [10:58:08] | justinh: | elkin: email the author – he'll need to know |
| [10:58:36] | justinh: | IIRC he hangs out in #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [10:59:04] | elkin: | justinh: you are right |
| [10:59:12] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: is it just me or is ECOS a pile of steaming shit? |
| [11:00:29] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, well, the installer is a tcl script. if that's not a clue... |
| [11:00:57] | justinh: | we just get the binaries to flash |
| [11:01:13] | justinh: | this binary won't work with that bootloader, yada yada |
| [11:01:28] | justinh: | the binary won't allow ftp to work properly... |
| [11:01:44] | justinh: | so you load one app over tftp to let you ftp the real app to the flash |
| [11:02:04] | justinh: | but which version to use? 14.3 from last week or 14.3 from this week?! |
| [11:03:15] | directhex|bsp: | life would be dull without Enterprise |
| [11:04:00] | justinh: | the good thing I spose is that the customers are still falling for it & keep buying regardless |
| [11:04:42] | justinh: | but if crims get a hint that all they need to do is blip a building's power for 30s which'll buy them a full 5 mins without cctv... |
| [11:04:56] | justinh: | (cos nobody ever installs UPS) |
| [11:06:23] | elkin: | cya all sometime later |
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| [11:14:47] | justinh: | arghhhhhhhhhhhh! |
| [11:15:07] | justinh: | no version of the app I can find will write to the flash properly. files wind up as directories |
| [11:15:13] | justinh: | somebody is going to die today |
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| [11:48:06] | k-man__: | is there sbs hd content yet in Australia? |
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| [11:53:07] | k-man__: | how can i change the order the channels are listed in the program guide? |
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| [12:07:50] | justinh: | k-man__: you can only do that in a limited way. I've been thinking about that |
| [12:09:15] | justinh: | needs an additional (unseen) column in the channel table and would rely on the channel sorter/organiser I've thought about doing |
| [12:14:02] | justinh: | sorting by channel name or number is all very well & good but involves too much work if you want to shuffle stuff around a lot |
| [12:15:04] | justinh: | I envisage being able to list all the channens onscreen, then be able to move them up & down the list (and to the top & bottom of the list) without even touching their names/numbers |
| [12:15:45] | justinh: | only needs one more column :) not sure how channel groups will work within that scheme though. needs some more serious thought |
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| [12:40:53] | joecurlee: | hi all. I have a weird issue with HD playback using mythtv 0.20 |
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| [12:41:37] | joecurlee: | it plays in slow motion and without audio. but if I record the video first and open in vlc it plays fine... but mythtv still can't play the recording normally |
| [12:42:11] | directhex|bsp: | try enabling "use video as a timebase" |
| [12:42:32] | joecurlee: | I've tried that on a previous install (i'll try again) |
| [12:42:54] | joecurlee: | i thought my previous install got screwed up when I upgraded to .21 but obviously that wasn't the issue |
| [12:44:58] | joecurlee: | directhx|bsp: no luck |
| [12:45:33] | directhex|bsp: | joecurlee, are there multiple audio streams in the file? |
| [12:46:11] | joecurlee: | i'm not sure... how can I check? |
| [12:47:31] | directhex|bsp: | press m when playing, look for audio stream related options |
| [12:49:07] | joecurlee: | "adjust audio sync" is only audio related option in menu during playback |
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| [12:58:56] | joecurlee: | was just flipping through channels to test and mythtv frontend crashed and I see a large number of "writeaudo: buffer underrun" errors |
| [12:59:07] | Thomas-: | justinh: Now I have read up on mythmusic and also tried it last night.. still I can't find any function that lets me browse the files using directorys instead of metadata, you said it was possible, "kind of" |
| [12:59:09] | joecurlee: | I'm guessing the hd content playback failure is due to the audio somehow |
| [12:59:58] | joecurlee: | indeed... while playing the hd content i'm watching the terminal and getting tons of write au |
| [13:00:09] | joecurlee: | sorry: write audio buffer underrun errors |
| [13:01:40] | joecurlee: | problem solved: enabled "extra audio buffering" |
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| [13:11:13] | justinh: | Thomas-: ignore tags ? |
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| [13:40:27] | PatrickDK: | hmm, I'm just upset today :( |
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| [13:44:19] | directhex|bsp: | what is it with people who hate metadata? justinh, explain the anti-metadata brigade to me |
| [13:44:59] | GreyFoxx: | hate meta data? |
| [13:45:42] | directhex|bsp: | GreyFoxx, the "waa, i want to browse by directories" lot |
| [13:45:59] | GreyFoxx: | but they can do that in mythvideo now |
| [13:46:10] | GreyFoxx: | not "live" but it's a directory browsing like :) |
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| [13:48:15] | directhex|bsp: | GreyFoxx, this is mythmusic being mentioned |
| [13:48:19] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [13:48:34] | directhex|bsp: | i blame the winamp 2 luddites |
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| [13:48:56] | directhex|bsp: | omg! a library! the world will implode if i can display tracks by artist or genre or album! |
| [13:48:56] | GreyFoxx: | I prefer navigating my media in a directory tree |
| [13:49:15] | jams: | any recommendations for a quiet dvd drive, or even one that doesn't sound like a jet engine when it's reading a disk? |
| [13:49:19] | GreyFoxx: | but I want covers and such too |
| [13:49:31] | GreyFoxx: | jams: I'm playing a DVD off the dvd changer now |
| [13:49:42] | directhex|bsp: | i like trees, but trees built from metadata are even better. sometimes i want to go to artist/album/track. what if i want artist/genre or compilation album? |
| [13:49:42] | GreyFoxx: | the drive is noisy, gonna look at quieting that a bit :) |
| [13:49:49] | jams: | GreyFoxx- sweet |
| [13:50:09] | jams: | and yeah it is a tad noisy. Lot's of whirls and clunks |
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| [13:50:34] | PatrickDK: | atleast my playlist loads faster in mythmusic than in winamp |
| [13:50:50] | PatrickDK: | in mythmusic it's about 40seconds, in winamp about 16min |
| [13:50:59] | jams: | It's one reason I asked if you planned on implmenting streaming |
| [13:51:14] | GreyFoxx: | jams: ultimately I do want that |
| [13:51:25] | jams: | although when it's strictly readings a disk it's almost silent |
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| [14:33:23] | jackson: | does mythcommflag honor mythconverg.channel.commfree ? |
| [14:35:05] | Thomas-: | I think so |
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| [14:46:30] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: the anti-metadata brigade obviously don't have billions of zillions of files :) |
| [14:47:09] | justinh: | they might as well just have a CD containing all their music & use that |
| [14:47:18] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, i think they do – all in one folder marked "torrents", and bad file names |
| [14:47:55] | justinh: | maybe all the stuff they download has borked tag info anyway. all full of www.allofmp3.com & stuff |
| [14:48:10] | justinh: | thereby making tagging pretty useless :) |
| [14:48:24] | directhex|bsp: | allofmp3 is kinda sorta nearly legal in russia, i'll have you know! |
| [14:48:42] | justinh: | mmyerrs |
| [14:49:39] | justinh: | hey it's been all day & I've not had a thrombie. Better look at the sucks page again |
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| [14:53:31] | hashbang: | justinh: I'm not anti-metadata, but I do prefer to browse by directory, since I've already organised my (well-tagged) music by intial/artist/year.album/trackno-trackname.mp3 |
| [14:55:05] | Thomas-: | justinh: ok, I'll check that |
| [14:56:23] | justinh: | to each their own crazy stuff :) |
| [14:57:45] | Thomas-: | < directhex|bsp> omg! a library! the world will implode if i can display tracks by artist or genre or album! |
| [14:57:49] | Thomas-: | I also prefer metadata |
| [14:58:05] | Thomas-: | BUT I haven't found the time to organize my mp3 collection |
| [14:58:20] | hashbang: | justdave: also, is that the way to get rid of the 'A B C D E' 'F G H I J' 'K L M N O' 'P Q R S T' 'U V W X Y Z' browser? |
| [14:58:24] | justinh: | woooo I fixed the stupid machine. turned out there are ftp permissions set in some mad frm file in the webpages. crazy shit driving me mental here |
| [14:58:25] | Thomas-: | It's full of crap from the internet from the past 9 years |
| [14:58:33] | justinh: | hashbang: I don't care |
| [14:58:53] | hashbang: | justinh: just (mis)remembering why I switched the default prefs |
| [14:59:14] | justinh: | I generally only use mythtv for tv & videos since nothing else is worth hogging the whole TV for |
| [15:00:18] | Thomas-: | I use the music plugin for A) parties and B) when I'm vacuuming/cleaning the apartment |
| [15:02:13] | justinh: | my music collection doesn't have anything I downloaded from the internet & the tagging was still mostly gash |
| [15:02:21] | justinh: | want a job doing, do it yerself |
| [15:03:08] | justinh: | never rely on idiots who submit stuff to cddb – spelling mistakes, differences in Firstname Surname vs Surname, Firstname ... |
| [15:03:52] | justinh: | Is it Wonder Stuff, The or is it The Wonder Stuff ? |
| [15:05:41] | RyeBrye: | ? webpage-based UI? |
| [15:05:54] | ** RyeBrye says nevermind ** | |
| [15:05:59] | ** RyeBrye was scrolled back five hours... woops ** | |
| [15:06:09] | ** RyeBrye closes computer and rushes off to work ** | |
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| [15:19:54] | iamlindoro__: | Wow, with that nick and that part message, he *must* be a hit at parties |
| [15:21:14] | PatrickDK: | heh, making fun of peoples inability to socialize |
| [15:21:48] | iamlindoro__: | 90% of the internet = Asperger's Syndrome |
| [15:23:00] | PatrickDK: | I just want to scream |
| [15:23:09] | PatrickDK: | dora the explorer has the worst interlacing issues I have ever seen |
| [15:23:15] | PatrickDK: | on their dvd's |
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| [15:23:27] | directhex|bsp: | iamlindoro__, wrong. 100% of the internet = 14/f/ca |
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| [15:23:35] | iamlindoro__: | directhex|bsp, Heh |
| [15:23:35] | PatrickDK: | I think it might go with all nickjr dvd's |
| [15:24:03] | iamlindoro__: | PatrickDK, you'll need to lure children into your basement with Hannah Montana then? ;) |
| [15:24:19] | PatrickDK: | heh, wife had me at the disney store the other day |
| [15:24:26] | PatrickDK: | and they where playing one of those music videos |
| [15:24:38] | PatrickDK: | I couldn't even make sense of the song, and the music was horrid |
| [15:24:59] | PatrickDK: | atleast my kids don' |
| [15:25:03] | PatrickDK: | t like it :) |
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| [15:27:03] | PatrickDK: | they would much perfer I play prodigy or something |
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| [15:32:05] | hashbang: | justinh: yup, that's why I wrote myself a keystroke-efficient interactive console tagger tool |
| [15:32:54] | hashbang: | mp3cleanup on freshmeat, if anyone cares |
| [15:33:26] | hashbang: | it also runs stuff through a MP3 format checker and throws out files with bad frames |
| [15:38:54] | directhex|bsp: | woe is me. pathscale has no c++ bindings |
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| [15:39:02] | directhex|bsp: | infinipath, that is |
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| [15:43:07] | keith4_: | well, I wooted the 500G refurbed seagate disk |
| [15:43:12] | keith4_: | so... storage groups, here I come! |
| [15:43:21] | hashbang: | seagate++ |
| [15:43:27] | keith4_: | yes |
| [15:43:31] | keith4_: | can't beat the 5 year warranty |
| [15:43:36] | keith4_: | ... not that the refurb has that |
| [15:43:36] | hashbang: | *snap?* |
| [15:44:10] | hashbang: | all HDDs are fast enough for my tastes, but Seagate is the only consumer mfg'er with 5 year warranty |
| [15:44:13] | hashbang: | so they get my business |
| [15:45:06] | hashbang: | hmm |
| [15:45:16] | hashbang: | just reading about the ATA streaming command set features |
| [15:45:24] | hashbang: | trying to work out if there's any current support for Linux |
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| [15:45:32] | hashbang: | could be handy for myth, after all, right? |
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| [16:12:43] | justinh: | pfft |
| [16:12:50] | justinh: | marketing bullshit, all of it |
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| [16:51:00] | hobbyhure: | 5.10 perl upgrade went well, "just" had to rebuild many perl modules and mythtv |
| [16:52:09] | hobbyhure: | but i still have a question: my EPG menu is quite slow when scrolling up down through channels, what can be the reasons ? just too many channels (about 1000 i have) or is it just about mysql performance tweaking ? |
| [16:52:58] | Led-Hed: | is it just me or does 0.21 take longer to display LiveTV? |
| [16:53:46] | hobbyhure: | Led-Hed: i dont see a big difference |
| [16:54:24] | Led-Hed: | hobbyhure, When I select LiveTV it takes a goods 10–15 sec to display the feed |
| [16:54:43] | hobbyhure: | u checked mythbackend.log ? |
| [16:55:44] | Led-Hed: | hobbyhure, what should I be looking for? |
| [16:56:18] | iamlindoro__: | Heh, should he list the hundreds of things that *might* go wrong? |
| [16:56:22] | hobbyhure: | that i dont know either :) myabe u see something obvious, or with that info others may help u further |
| [16:56:44] | Led-Hed: | iamlindoro, I was hoping for something specific. |
| [16:56:49] | iamlindoro__: | Read everything between "changing from None to WatchingLiveTV" and "changing from WatchingLiveTV to none" |
| [16:57:17] | iamlindoro__: | Led-Hed, How could anyone possibly guess with absolutely 0 info? |
| [16:57:50] | Led-Hed: | iamlindoro, I dont know. |
| [16:58:10] | Led-Hed: | I thought maybe he has had some similar experience. |
| [16:58:22] | Led-Hed: | Thats what I love about this channel |
| [16:59:01] | ** Led-Hed waits for someone to paste a link to "How to ask a question" ** | |
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| [16:59:49] | hobbyhure: | iamlindoro__: you have an idea about my "slow epg"-question i asked 10 min ago befor i start deleting some not needed channels ? :) |
| [16:59:52] | justinh: | Led-Hed: it's not just you. it's a conspiracy to stop everybody using live tv |
| [17:00:03] | Led-Hed: | justdave, lol |
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| [17:00:20] | iamlindoro__: | hobbyhure, I'd guess the monumental # of channels has something to do with it-- the EPG is slowish even with a few hundred |
| [17:00:37] | iamlindoro__: | Oh "justdave" you lovable scamp |
| [17:00:41] | justinh: | download the source & comment out all the usleep(20000) statements |
| [17:00:50] | hobbyhure: | ah thx iamlindoro__ |
| [17:00:53] | justdave: | I'm just so lovable |
| [17:00:56] | Led-Hed: | lol I did it again. Autocomplete strikes again |
| [17:01:02] | ** hobbyhure heading for the wiki for mysql perf tips ** | |
| [17:01:02] | Led-Hed: | sorry dave |
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| [17:01:23] | Led-Hed: | hobbyhure, what is your problem? |
| [17:01:27] | justdave: | I kinda enjoy it, reminds me to look at this window once in a while :) |
| [17:01:59] | hobbyhure: | Led-Hed: epg is slow when scrolling up/dwon through the channels |
| [17:02:04] | dm-madman: | I am planning to connect a VCR to my PVR in order to transfer some of my old VHS tapes to digital media. Any suggestions on how to do this best? |
| [17:02:18] | justinh: | hobbyhure: my bet is that it's lookingfor icons that aren;t there |
| [17:02:24] | Led-Hed: | hobbyhure, how slow, like it freezes or just laggy? |
| [17:02:25] | justinh: | dm-madman: buy a dvd recorder |
| [17:02:43] | hobbyhure: | going to reduce them a bit (fully bloated astra haha) |
| [17:03:16] | hobbyhure: | justinh: thanks for that hint! many icons he has to look up, have only like 150 out of 1000 channels |
| [17:03:17] | Led-Hed: | justinh, I doubt its the Icons. I had that set for a long time without the Icons, didn't cause any noticable difference in EPG browsing. |
| [17:03:19] | dm-madman: | I can just connect it to the PVR's RCA jacks and record |
| [17:03:23] | dm-madman: | using myth |
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| [17:03:41] | PatrickDK: | I wouldn't bother doing it with myth |
| [17:03:56] | PatrickDK: | I would probably just directly do it from /dev/video0 |
| [17:03:57] | hobbyhure: | Led-Hed: sometimes even freezy, laggy all time |
| [17:03:57] | Led-Hed: | dm-madman, I think you have to setup a special channel to do that. |
| [17:04:28] | justinh: | icons! |
| [17:04:35] | justinh: | had that issue on my frontend for ages |
| [17:04:45] | hobbyhure: | :) thx man |
| [17:04:47] | dm-madman: | it would be a different input in the mythtv setup i think |
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| [17:05:07] | justinh: | dm-madman: screw that. buy a dvd recorder. spend $100 and save a HEAP of time! |
| [17:05:23] | justinh: | myth is NO good for dubbing VHS |
| [17:05:33] | Led-Hed: | hobbyhure, I had that problem. I use MiniMyth, and upgraded to new version (0.21 + SVN 16743) now its gone |
| [17:05:33] | dm-madman: | $100? |
| [17:05:59] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, you should know better than to try to give people answers they don't want to hear in this channel! |
| [17:06:07] | justinh: | aren't dvd recorders that cheap these days? |
| [17:06:21] | iamlindoro__: | Welcome to #mythtv-users, where we *do* shoot the messenger! |
| [17:06:21] | Led-Hed: | justinh, I do it with my PVR-250 all the time. |
| [17:06:39] | justinh: | Led-Hed: half an hour at a time. great :-\ |
| [17:06:44] | dm-madman: | idk...never looked for one |
| [17:07:16] | dm-madman: | i'd almost prefer to have them in myth over on dvd |
| [17:07:29] | justinh: | you can rip them later |
| [17:07:43] | dm-madman: | why do you think that's a better solution |
| [17:07:45] | PatrickDK: | sounds like double the time to me :) |
| [17:07:52] | justinh: | just stop mythtv, then run cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg – assuming it's a PVR card |
| [17:07:59] | dm-madman: | yeah me too, but there may be another reason |
| [17:08:06] | justinh: | no need to even involve mythtv |
| [17:08:18] | PatrickDK: | justinh, after he uses ivtvctl to select the correct input |
| [17:08:20] | justinh: | mythtv != VCR |
| [17:08:26] | justinh: | PatrickDK: of course |
| [17:08:35] | justinh: | well, v4l2ctl these days |
| [17:08:49] | PatrickDK: | I haven't made it to present day yet :) |
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| [17:09:05] | Led-Hed: | dm-madman, its fine to do it in myth. Just setup a channel that uses the composite/SVideo input and do a manual recording. |
| [17:09:20] | dm-madman: | Led-Hed : that's what i was thinking |
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| [17:09:26] | dm-madman: | seems simple that way |
| [17:09:31] | Led-Hed: | yup |
| [17:09:34] | PatrickDK: | I have done that, it just takes so long to setup the manual recording :( |
| [17:09:44] | Led-Hed: | agreed |
| [17:09:48] | dm-madman: | and the backend will consider the input in use, and not try to change channels for a scheduled recording |
| [17:09:53] | dm-madman: | correct? |
| [17:09:54] | justinh: | then edit it later |
| [17:10:28] | Led-Hed: | dm-madman, I believe that is correct. The PVR-250 cant record on more than 1 input at a time. |
| [17:10:30] | justinh: | I digitised all my VHS from college days using a DV camcorder |
| [17:10:42] | dm-madman: | i have a pvr-500 |
| [17:10:48] | dm-madman: | prob gonna add a second one too |
| [17:11:00] | Led-Hed: | justinh, Thats even more time consuming. |
| [17:11:12] | PatrickDK: | hmm, if the dv cam can stream it out over firewire in realtime that would be nice |
| [17:11:19] | justinh: | Led-Hed: better quality than encoding straight to something really lossy though! |
| [17:11:24] | Led-Hed: | dm-madman, is should still consider 1 of the 2 inputs in use. |
| [17:11:25] | PatrickDK: | so you don't have to use dv-tape or dvd |
| [17:11:34] | dm-madman: | I think justinh likes DVD discs more than the rest of us...no big deal |
| [17:11:37] | justinh: | did I say I recorded it to tape?! |
| [17:11:50] | justinh: | did I honestly say that? I don't fucking think so |
| [17:12:00] | justinh: | fucking retards |
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| [17:12:08] | dm-madman: | wow |
| [17:12:13] | PatrickDK: | hehe :) |
| [17:12:20] | dm-madman: | dude needs to take his meds |
| [17:12:22] | Led-Hed: | justinh, how is capture on a Cam corder (via Composite/Svideo) gonna be different in quality than a PVR-500 capturing Composite/SVideo |
| [17:12:40] | hobbyhure: | deleted 400 channels => epg feeling waaaaay better, thx justinh |
| [17:12:46] | Led-Hed: | WOW! |
| [17:12:58] | Led-Hed: | someone got a little bent out of shape |
| [17:13:01] | dm-madman: | i was thinking that maybe he had an actual reason |
| [17:13:09] | iamlindoro__: | Led-Hed, Because the PVR-500 is compressing to painfully lossy MPEG-2 and the cam would be DV which is farrrrrr less lossy |
| [17:13:09] | dm-madman: | better picture quality or something |
| [17:13:45] | PatrickDK: | I would just compress to like 8 or 16mbit on my pvr |
| [17:13:48] | Led-Hed: | iamlindoro__, that makes sense. Though the size of the recordings would be larger wouldnt they? |
| [17:13:49] | iamlindoro__: | And he wasn't recording to tape, he was using the cam as a DV bridge only, took no more time than recording via a capture card. |
| [17:13:54] | PatrickDK: | then just setup a batch script to convert them all to soemthing else |
| [17:14:01] | dm-madman: | yeah i got that |
| [17:14:04] | iamlindoro__: | Led-Hed, yes, they would be larger. |
| [17:14:10] | dm-madman: | hook the vcr to the minidv |
| [17:14:17] | dm-madman: | and plug it into the firewire |
| [17:14:25] | PatrickDK: | my dv-cam can't act as a bridge, why I asked |
| [17:14:28] | dm-madman: | and use kino or something |
| [17:14:41] | dm-madman: | it's actually not a bad idea |
| [17:14:44] | iamlindoro__: | PatrickDK, bummer, I have a number that do, came in handy a couple few times |
| [17:14:54] | dm-madman: | it would leave all the pvr inputs open for tv recording |
| [17:14:55] | Led-Hed: | I have a sony Digital 8 that will do that. |
| [17:15:03] | PatrickDK: | well, the cam is like old, probably what 5–8years |
| [17:15:32] | PatrickDK: | hell, the new one I just got will just record direct to flash :) |
| [17:15:37] | dm-madman: | but i'm fine with using the pvr to encode it anyway |
| [17:15:53] | dm-madman: | it's a vhs tape so it's not great quality anyway |
| [17:15:59] | Led-Hed: | hobbyhure, check SVN to see if there was a fix for your EPG problem. |
| [17:16:28] | hobbyhure: | Led-Hed: running latestes svn from .21-fixes |
| [17:16:35] | hobbyhure: | 2 hrss ago build lol |
| [17:16:36] | Led-Hed: | My EPG was freezing, after upgrading to SVN 16743 freezing is gone. |
| [17:16:41] | GreyFoxx: | dm-madman: You could make it easy on yourself, plug it into your tuner, and just cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg |
| [17:16:49] | GreyFoxx: | CTRL-C when it's done playing |
| [17:16:52] | iamlindoro__: | dm-madman, I believe justinh's suggestion was based on myth recording things without listings to 30-minute mpeg files. He has a very good point, and was frustrated because he has been around farrrr longer than anyone arguing with him, and he is seldom incorrect |
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| [17:17:37] | iamlindoro__: | becuase you don't want to end up with some long video split into a bunch of files-- far better to do what Greyfoxx (and justinh) suggested. |
| [17:17:48] | Led-Hed: | GreyFoxx, I use to do the same thing. I even had a script that I used that I could specify the record time. so it would stop on its own. |
| [17:18:33] | jams: | GreyFoxx- box in the mail.I was able to use the bag/box from my new case. |
| [17:18:38] | dm-madman: | that makes some sense too...if only my irc telepathy was a bit better |
| [17:18:54] | Led-Hed: | lol |
| [17:19:43] | dm-madman: | i was looking for some justification for the extra work was all really |
| [17:19:55] | dm-madman: | i'd most likely be playing them back in myth anyway |
| [17:20:20] | iamlindoro__: | dm-madman, He *did* mention it, people just glossed over the comment |
| [17:21:23] | dm-madman: | i don't see it, but it's not really important anyway |
| [17:21:39] | iamlindoro__: | "<justinh> Led-Hed: half an hour at a time. great :-\" |
| [17:21:43] | hobbyhure: | Led-Hed: dropped again loads of channels, and now the prob is solved, epg fluid like a charm, as justinh said |
| [17:21:48] | dm-madman: | the camcorder will do a better job of encoding the video it seems though |
| [17:22:13] | GreyFoxx: | jams: yay! |
| [17:22:33] | Led-Hed: | hobbyhure, the Icons? |
| [17:22:56] | dm-madman: | it really doesn't seem terribly relevant to my situation, though...planning to just put the VHS movies into myth so i can play them back in myth |
| [17:22:58] | hobbyhure: | yepp |
| [17:23:23] | iamlindoro__: | dm-madman, You can do that fine after the fact, just smarter to *capture* them outside of myth |
| [17:23:23] | Led-Hed: | dm-madman, if its used as a bridge, then you will have to re-encode if you want it in MPEG2 (to save space) |
| [17:23:28] | hobbyhure: | had about 900 channels without icons (thanks to bloated astra :/) |
| [17:23:46] | Led-Hed: | ahh |
| [17:23:50] | iamlindoro__: | If you are going to re-encode, no point using MPEG-2 |
| [17:23:53] | ** Led-Hed only has 99 channels ** | |
| [17:23:55] | hobbyhure: | was always too lazy to delete em, now went through ;) |
| [17:24:27] | Led-Hed: | iamlindoro, true, but if he is going to use MPEG2 then there is no reason not to capture from the PVR-500 |
| [17:24:42] | iamlindoro__: | Led-Hed, Sure there is |
| [17:24:43] | hobbyhure: | i have still 275 left, but that seems to be ok for the epg |
| [17:24:53] | dm-madman: | what difference does it make if the movie is split up into 30 minute segments? |
| [17:25:08] | dm-madman: | just curious, not trying to argue any point or anything |
| [17:25:17] | Led-Hed: | dm-madman, adding the movie to MythVideo would be kinda sucky. |
| [17:25:22] | iamlindoro__: | Led-Hed, All MPEG-2 is not even *remotely* created equal, if you transcode with ffmpeg you can do tons of processing during the encode to make them look far better |
| [17:25:29] | dm-madman: | oic |
| [17:25:39] | Led-Hed: | Though I think MythVideo will play sequential files |
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| [17:26:02] | dm-madman: | so just whether they show up under recorded or videos |
| [17:26:05] | Led-Hed: | iamlindoro__, its comming from VHS |
| [17:26:13] | iamlindoro__: | Led-Hed, all the more reason to preserve quality |
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| [17:26:32] | Led-Hed: | you cant preserve quality if it wasnt there to begin with |
| [17:26:43] | dm-madman: | okay wait a minute |
| [17:27:17] | iamlindoro__: | Led-Hed, you've been around in this channel for what, a few weeks? You need to accept that people who have been around for a long time know what we're talking about |
| [17:27:19] | dm-madman: | the camcorder will give me *a lot* better quality than the pvr-500's encoder |
| [17:27:22] | iamlindoro__: | Yup |
| [17:27:23] | dm-madman: | ? |
| [17:27:43] | dm-madman: | well if that's the case i may just do that |
| [17:27:51] | Led-Hed: | iamlindoro__, LOL, I've been using MythTV since 0.13 and have been in this channel for several years |
| [17:27:57] | iamlindoro__: | and if you choose to transcode those DV captures for size afterwards, you have a lot more encoding options to preserve quality than if you captured with the PVR-500 to begin with |
| [17:28:03] | iamlindoro__: | Led-Hed, It sure doesn't show |
| [17:28:20] | dm-madman: | and avoid having to screw with stopping backends and stuff as well |
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| [17:28:39] | Led-Hed: | iamlindoro__, MythTV isnt my life. Its a app that I use. I dont waste more time on it than I need. |
| [17:29:28] | dm-madman: | a manual recording does seem like a lot less work, though. perhaps i'll try both and see if i can appreciate the difference |
| [17:30:24] | Led-Hed: | dm-madman, it depends on how many you intend to do. 1 VHS, I'd use the command line. Many VHS, using Myth would be more convienient. |
| [17:31:16] | dm-madman: | Well I'll probably either use the camcorder as a bridge or just use mythfrontend to handle it |
| [17:31:20] | PatrickDK: | hell, just download the dvd version from bittorrent :) |
| [17:31:32] | dm-madman: | i don't really want to be stopping backends and crap every time i do it |
| [17:31:36] | Led-Hed: | dm-madman, actually you could create a menu item that would run the command line script. |
| [17:31:48] | dm-madman: | oh yeah |
| [17:31:48] | iamlindoro__: | PatrickDK, Only if your home videos are "special" home videos ;) |
| [17:31:53] | dm-madman: | mythexec or w/e |
| [17:32:05] | PatrickDK: | ah, home made video :) |
| [17:32:10] | iamlindoro__: | PatrickDK, which have "accidentally" been leaded to the internet :) |
| [17:32:16] | iamlindoro__: | er leaked |
| [17:32:19] | dm-madman: | those would be on the camcorder anyways |
| [17:32:26] | PatrickDK: | those are probably just going be flash though :( |
| [17:32:36] | dm-madman: | no point in hooking that up through the pvr |
| [17:32:59] | Led-Hed: | dm-madman, I'm not sure how much work it would be, but a plugin that captures from /dev/video0 for a preset amount of time couldnt be that dificult to do. |
| [17:33:22] | Led-Hed: | I could write the script. just intigrating it into myth would be the problem. |
| [17:34:25] | PatrickDK: | that depends on how lazy you want to be |
| [17:34:32] | PatrickDK: | you could use mythvideo to execute the script :) |
| [17:35:03] | Led-Hed: | PatrickDK, All it would need is a place to enter durration. |
| [17:35:03] | iamlindoro__: | This is getting so far off into the weeds that it's not even funny |
| [17:35:22] | dm-madman: | I could write stuff to do it too, but I simply don't care enough about it being one file vs 4 |
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| [17:35:34] | Led-Hed: | lol |
| [17:35:35] | iamlindoro__: | We started with blatant misinformation and now we're talking about writing plugins for blatant misinformation. Sheesh! |
| [17:35:44] | dm-madman: | it'll either look good enough doing it as a manual recording or it won't |
| [17:35:48] | dm-madman: | i'll find out |
| [17:35:50] | dm-madman: | no big deal |
| [17:35:59] | PatrickDK: | iamlindoro, it's either this, or I have to work :) |
| [17:36:13] | Led-Hed: | good point |
| [17:36:13] | iamlindoro__: | PatrickDK, Naw, you're fine :) |
| [17:36:41] | PatrickDK: | I had a project due tuesday |
| [17:36:47] | PatrickDK: | maybe I will start on it tomorrow |
| [17:37:42] | dm-madman: | so i have another question, anyway |
| [17:37:47] | Led-Hed: | shoot |
| [17:37:56] | dm-madman: | i used mytharchive to put something on dvd for someone |
| [17:38:04] | dm-madman: | any way to get those subtitles in |
| [17:38:26] | dm-madman: | i found a lot of conversations about it but no real answer |
| [17:38:55] | dm-madman: | seemed kinda like it can't be done right now or something |
| [17:38:55] | Led-Hed: | I've done it before. All I remember is that its a PITA |
| [17:39:10] | dm-madman: | that sucks |
| [17:39:43] | dm-madman: | if that's the case, I guess I'll let it be someone else's PITA |
| [17:39:45] | Led-Hed: | I've only used MythArchive once. So I dont really know what its capabilities are. |
| [17:40:40] | PatrickDK: | mytharchive dies on my system, something about python being busted |
| [17:40:53] | nwahmaet: | speaking of mytharchive ... how do you select recording for archive, in .21? |
| [17:41:02] | PatrickDK: | I tried to run mytharchive from a different frontend, but it wouldn't work at all |
| [17:41:13] | dm-madman: | it's ok. I'd rather put all my DVDs in myth than the opposite, but my dad wouldn't mind having copies of some of the stuff i record |
| [17:41:21] | dm-madman: | he can live w/o subtitles |
| [17:41:24] | nwahmaet: | in .20 there used to be an option on the 'Archive files' menu, but it looks to be gone in .21 |
| [17:41:50] | dm-madman: | hmm |
| [17:42:13] | dm-madman: | i just went into select files...picked them...went into make dvd...burned it |
| [17:42:14] | Led-Hed: | dm-madman, its nice if you record a TV show for a friend and they want you to rip it for them |
| [17:42:30] | nwahmaet: | dm-madman: what theme are you using? |
| [17:42:49] | dm-madman: | hmm |
| [17:42:56] | dm-madman: | i forget the name |
| [17:43:00] | dm-madman: | grey background |
| [17:43:05] | dm-madman: | sloppy looking icons |
| [17:43:15] | dm-madman: | like a child drew them with crayons almost |
| [17:43:19] | iamlindoro__: | GANT |
| [17:43:22] | dm-madman: | that's it |
| [17:43:40] | dm-madman: | thx |
| [17:43:59] | nwahmaet: | hm. i thought i tried that too. |
| [17:44:01] | iamlindoro__: | Theme won't have anything to do with it, though |
| [17:44:17] | dm-madman: | yeah it didn't seem to change the actual options, just the look |
| [17:44:35] | nwahmaet: | aren't(or can't they be) the options defined in the theme though? |
| [17:44:58] | dm-madman: | i haven't gotten into the frontend code so idk |
| [17:45:17] | iamlindoro__: | nwahmaet, all themes have mytharchive in them. |
| [17:45:53] | nwahmaet: | yeah, i know. |
| [17:45:56] | dm-madman: | some seemed to lack an icon for it |
| [17:45:59] | nwahmaet: | but it's just disappeared :S |
| [17:46:03] | dm-madman: | but the options were still there |
| [17:46:08] | nwahmaet: | it was there in .20 |
| [17:46:25] | nwahmaet: | the make archive and make dvd options are still there. just not the 'select files' |
| [17:46:37] | dm-madman: | maybe you need to reinstall the plugin after upgrading ? |
| [17:46:42] | nwahmaet: | i can do that |
| [17:46:54] | iamlindoro__: | No |
| [17:47:00] | iamlindoro__: | lord, this room has gone retarded |
| [17:47:03] | dm-madman: | that suggestion seems less likely after your last comment |
| [17:47:15] | PatrickDK: | hehe |
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| [17:47:38] | nwahmaet: | mythbuntu had some funkiness with with the mythvideo/mythdvd package |
| [17:47:42] | ** PatrickDK passes out blood pressure medication ** | |
| [17:47:47] | dm-madman: | yeah i was thinking he meant that the whole mytharchive menu was gone |
| [17:48:06] | iamlindoro__: | nwahmaet, They're seperate |
| [17:48:06] | ** nwahmaet accepts gratefully ** | |
| [17:48:08] | dm-madman: | ubuntu sucks |
| [17:48:19] | dm-madman: | sorry |
| [17:48:22] | Led-Hed: | dm-madman, I agree |
| [17:48:35] | dm-madman: | i still shouldn't have dropped that here |
| [17:48:40] | nwahmaet: | prolly not |
| [17:48:49] | Led-Hed: | though my issues with Ubuntu may be largely Hardware related. |
| [17:49:06] | dm-madman: | i just don't like what they do to stuff |
| [17:49:17] | dm-madman: | change things that work good so they don't |
| [17:49:32] | dm-madman: | way OT |
| [17:49:57] | Led-Hed: | dm-madman, in the good ole days, Beirdo and I use to have hour long discussions on why The US is better than Canada. Or why G. W. Bush is a great man. |
| [17:50:04] | dm-madman: | can you install from sources pretty easily in ubuntu though |
| [17:50:07] | Led-Hed: | in this channel |
| [17:50:45] | dm-madman: | if so, that might eliminate some 'funkiness' |
| [17:50:45] | Led-Hed: | so off topic isn't that big a deal if no one is actively discussing Myth |
| [17:50:46] | dm-madman: | true |
| [17:50:55] | dm-madman: | i've seen a lot of OT discussions here |
| [17:51:14] | Led-Hed: | I miss those days. but alass, Beirdo left Canada, so now there is much less to chat about. |
| [17:51:33] | PatrickDK: | apt-get source package-name |
| [17:51:59] | PatrickDK: | what funkiness did you have? |
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| [17:52:14] | dm-madman: | PatrickDK : even if you do that you probably get the Ubuntu "patched" (aka "fucked with") sources |
| [17:52:34] | PatrickDK: | dm-madman, it downloads the origional source, and the patchs |
| [17:52:40] | PatrickDK: | and uncompresses it and patchs it |
| [17:52:45] | PatrickDK: | if you just delete the uncompressed |
| [17:52:49] | PatrickDK: | and uncompress it yourself |
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| [17:52:57] | dm-madman: | those patches are probably the problem...i guess he could revert some of them then |
| [17:53:12] | dm-madman: | yeah, or do that |
| [17:53:18] | PatrickDK: | I deal with redhat at work |
| [17:53:24] | ** iamlindoro__ holds directhex ever-so-softly. "Save me from these *people!*" ** | |
| [17:53:25] | PatrickDK: | it's a big pain in the ass to find the source |
| [17:53:44] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, sure. want a LOTRO 7-day trial key? |
| [17:54:08] | nwahmaet: | PatrickDK: basically, needed to a-g remove mythdvd && a-g install mythvideo |
| [17:54:10] | dm-madman: | oh, i thought there were sources in CVS or SVN or something |
| [17:54:31] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, nahhhh. I feel like I'm in the middle of the opposite sketches, where right answers are wrong and wrong answers are right and... cats and dogs, living together, mass hysteria! |
| [17:55:14] | nwahmaet: | dm-madman: mythbuntu provides packages |
| [17:55:47] | dm-madman: | isn't that what you're having problems with |
| [17:55:53] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, We're reached the point in our show where rather than check the frontend log about potentially missing menu items, or reading the wiki to see if the way of using a plugin has changed, we've segued into "how to reinstall the plugin from source." HALP |
| [17:55:59] | dm-madman: | packages with broken programs in them |
| [17:56:16] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, non sequiteurs make IRC go round! |
| [17:56:17] | dm-madman: | lol |
| [17:56:40] | dm-madman: | i was talking about installing all of myth from the source cuz of how ubuntu likes to break shit |
| [17:56:46] | PatrickDK: | hell, this channel makes iamlindoro go round |
| [17:56:50] | directhex: | dm-madman, THEN DON'T USE IT |
| [17:57:09] | dm-madman: | i wouldn't |
| [17:57:10] | iamlindoro__: | dm-madman, Ubuntu doesn't break MythTV. At all. |
| [17:57:12] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, when children first use *nix, their instinct is to do as much as they can from source, straight into /usr, to show how 1337 they are |
| [17:57:38] | dm-madman: | ok must be some other problem then |
| [17:57:38] | PatrickDK: | I have 4 mythbuntu installs, and am happy with them :) |
| [17:57:39] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, menu bars aren't arranged how i like? ./configure && make install! |
| [17:57:42] | PatrickDK: | and I come from slackware :) |
| [17:57:54] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, That is, more or less *exactly* what we're seeing right now |
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| [17:58:04] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, don't like the login sound effect? ./configure && make install! |
| [17:58:18] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, Watched a Discovery Special on England that spent time in Oxford last night and thought of you, hehe |
| [17:58:19] | Led-Hed: | Ubuntu makes for an easy Myth Install. Its just getting Ubuntu up and running initially that drives me nutz. |
| [17:59:01] | iamlindoro__: | yeah, that booting from the CD and clicking install bit is a beatch |
| [17:59:07] | hobbyhure: | are there statistic about which distros mythusers use? i wonder how many use archlinux :) |
| [17:59:08] | dm-madman: | lol |
| [17:59:17] | dm-madman: | that threw me off too |
| [17:59:31] | PatrickDK: | iamlindoro, the server install cd has cdrom driver issues with some dell computers |
| [17:59:44] | dm-madman: | i just don't like the package managers for the most part |
| [17:59:47] | directhex: | hobbyhure, only the ones who are far too cool for gentoo. and the gentoo users are the ones far too cool to watch tv |
| [18:00:01] | iamlindoro__: | apt is the best thing ever to happen to installing from source |
| [18:00:23] | hobbyhure: | lol |
| [18:00:32] | iamlindoro__: | PatrickDK, *usually* fixed w/ a GRUB argument, but yeah, I've seen that too |
| [18:00:37] | dm-madman: | oh, it was a joke |
| [18:00:37] | iamlindoro__: | hobbyhure, not joking |
| [18:00:56] | iamlindoro__: | nope, not joking in the least. apt *is* the best thing ever to happen to installing from source |
| [18:01:08] | PatrickDK: | iamlindoro, oh, I haven't seen the grub fix |
| [18:01:13] | hobbyhure: | arent that prejudices ? |
| [18:01:17] | ** dm-madman is a portage fan ** | |
| [18:01:19] | iamlindoro__: | Be that english? |
| [18:01:23] | PatrickDK: | I normally just boot one of my micro-fix linux things, and copy the cd to the drive |
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| [18:01:49] | dm-madman: | i wrote a grub fix for a friend of mine who uses ubuntu |
| [18:02:04] | ** directhex administers... let me think... 2 SLES10 machines, 266 OpenSuse 10.1 machines, 1 RHEL 5.1 machine, 3 SUSE 9.3 machines, 50 RHEL 3 machines, 4 Debian 4.0 machines, one Debian 3.1 machine ** | |
| [18:02:09] | directhex: | for my day job, that is |
| [18:02:14] | dm-madman: | i figured it was just a weird problem with his setup though |
| [18:02:14] | directhex: | only debian doesn't cause pain |
| [18:02:29] | directhex: | maybe it's three debian 4.0 machines. i forget |
| [18:02:56] | PatrickDK: | heh, we had 106 fedora 3 machines at work |
| [18:02:57] | dm-madman: | I don't think I've ever had to deal with a SuSE box |
| [18:03:07] | directhex: | dm-madman, lucky you |
| [18:03:10] | PatrickDK: | replaced them all with 2 redhat es5 machines |
| [18:03:13] | dm-madman: | it's much like the redhat i would guess |
| [18:03:26] | iamlindoro__: | Mmmmm, Suscrosoft |
| [18:03:45] | directhex: | dm-madman, worse |
| [18:03:46] | Led-Hed: | dm-madman, thats a lotta machines. |
| [18:04:07] | directhex: | but in the real world, you use what the vendor supports |
| [18:04:09] | dm-madman: | directhex: just feel good that you don't have to administer any windows boxes |
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| [18:04:33] | directhex: | dm-madman, not my job |
| [18:04:41] | ** iamlindoro__ wonders if 11 AM is too early to leave work ** | |
| [18:04:56] | dm-madman: | i occasionally get stuck dealing with one |
| [18:05:06] | dm-madman: | i'd rather deal with an old SCO box |
| [18:05:07] | Led-Hed: | iamlindoro__, you in Cali? |
| [18:05:11] | iamlindoro__: | Yup |
| [18:05:15] | PatrickDK: | iamlindoro, you can join me, I haven't left my house yet (work at home) |
| [18:05:16] | Led-Hed: | where abouts? |
| [18:05:23] | iamlindoro__: | Bay Area |
| [18:05:35] | Led-Hed: | ahh, I'm in the Valley. |
| [18:06:15] | iamlindoro__: | PatrickDK, I've often wondered if I could toss of a comment about "I'm working from home this afternoon" and walk out |
| [18:06:37] | iamlindoro__: | er toss off |
| [18:06:46] | dm-madman: | sorry you can't :p |
| [18:07:08] | iamlindoro__: | There's no proof I can't |
| [18:07:08] | Led-Hed: | I often think 4x 10hr days would be better |
| [18:07:10] | PatrickDK: | heh, well the servers are in nyc, and the company is western mass, and I live in maryland :) |
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| [18:07:36] | PatrickDK: | I live farther from the servers than the office, but travel time is shorter cause I have no traffic |
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| [18:07:53] | PatrickDK: | plus I am actually willing to go there |
| [18:08:16] | PatrickDK: | Led-Hed, I loved the 4x 10hour days |
| [18:08:25] | TelnetManta: | Does anyone have any really nice scripts to control backend startup and restart in the event of a crash? |
| [18:08:27] | PatrickDK: | the only issue is that leaves me 3 days to spend money |
| [18:08:36] | PatrickDK: | and I can spend it much quicker than I can make it in 4days |
| [18:08:40] | Led-Hed: | PatrickDK, I can only wish. |
| [18:08:58] | Led-Hed: | PatrickDK, LOL |
| [18:09:41] | PatrickDK: | TelnetManta, it shouldn't need anything, except to fix mysql if it is running on your backend |
| [18:10:07] | TelnetManta: | on occasion I |
| [18:10:09] | TelnetManta: | oops |
| [18:10:15] | dm-madman: | crash? |
| [18:10:47] | dm-madman: | what crashes? |
| [18:10:59] | TelnetManta: | on occasion I've had my backend 'crash' for lack of a better word at the moment. The frontend reports this so I SSH into my myth box and start the backend again. |
| [18:11:28] | PatrickDK: | oh, your mythbackend is crashing |
| [18:11:30] | TelnetManta: | I just wondered if there were a way to have the backend automatically restart. |
| [18:11:30] | PatrickDK: | not the box |
| [18:11:33] | TelnetManta: | right |
| [18:11:41] | dm-madman: | oh. i have never seen a crash |
| [18:11:46] | PatrickDK: | dunno, mine has never crashed :) |
| [18:11:46] | dm-madman: | of mythbackend |
| [18:11:50] | TelnetManta: | lol |
| [18:12:08] | dm-madman: | any idea why it's crashing |
| [18:12:11] | TelnetManta: | I'm not sure why mine has crashed but it has in the past. It has to be started again. |
| [18:12:37] | TelnetManta: | I guess I have no example, Im at work, but it has before. |
| [18:12:48] | k3rn3l: | hello, i'm trying to build a mythtv box, but i wanted to know what tv capture card i should get that would be compatible with an fta hd box and what graphics card would be the best to get that supports hdmi outputs |
| [18:12:54] | dm-madman: | write a script that says 'pidof mythbackend || /etc/init.d/mythbackend restart' |
| [18:12:58] | dm-madman: | run it with cron |
| [18:13:04] | dm-madman: | something like that at least |
| [18:13:24] | TelnetManta: | okay, thanksQ@ |
| [18:13:25] | TelnetManta: | ! |
| [18:13:59] | Led-Hed: | k3rn3l, you will have better luck with a DVI to HDMI adapter on the video card. |
| [18:14:14] | TelnetManta: | Next question, are there any improvements to the display of recordings? For instance, can you sort them by show title, then by record date? |
| [18:14:32] | dm-madman: | mine already does that |
| [18:14:37] | Led-Hed: | TelnetManta, I think it does that by default |
| [18:14:45] | dm-madman: | groups them by program, then sorts by date desc |
| [18:14:52] | TelnetManta: | Led-Hed: I'll recheck that tonight then. |
| [18:15:24] | TelnetManta: | This was a question from my wife actually. Maybe shes just viewing ALL RECORDINGS instead of them individually. |
| [18:15:28] | dm-madman: | i'd probably attempt to determine and fix the cause of the crashes myself |
| [18:15:31] | Led-Hed: | There are some settings to change the how recordings are listed, but I think Title/Date is the default |
| [18:15:44] | iamlindoro__: | k3rn3l, No current capture devices will capture the HD output of your FTA box |
| [18:16:25] | iamlindoro__: | k3rn3l, You can capture via SD right now, and you will ultimately be able to capture component out later this year for HD material |
| [18:16:30] | Led-Hed: | what is FTA (Free-To-Air)? |
| [18:16:38] | TelnetManta: | yep |
| [18:17:11] | iamlindoro__: | It's what people who steal satellite use as a wink-wink-nudge-nudge term for it, generally |
| [18:17:38] | Led-Hed: | Lol |
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| [18:17:46] | TelnetManta: | LOL |
| [18:17:59] | Led-Hed: | I have no problem with that |
| [18:18:09] | iamlindoro__: | Well this channel does, so bzzt |
| [18:18:19] | TelnetManta: | actually, FTA has a use in the education sector. I |
| [18:18:42] | TelnetManta: | ve seen it used in universities electronics classes. |
| [18:19:05] | Led-Hed: | Disclaimer: My opinions in no way reflect the Opinions of this channel |
| [18:19:11] | TelnetManta: | iamlindoro__: They need theyre own channel for that stuff. |
| [18:19:23] | Fnc-1_: | get a pci card for fta and capture all you want |
| [18:19:23] | TelnetManta: | or do they already have one? |
| [18:19:32] | Fnc-1_: | or the usb one |
| [18:19:41] | iamlindoro__: | TelnetManta, probably, but not on freenode |
| [18:20:36] | iamlindoro__: | amusingly, the first google result for "FTA Satellite" is a site that sells access to encryption keys |
| [18:21:04] | iamlindoro__: | anyway, we are probably over the line for what's allowed in this room, so what say you we stop talking about (*choke*) FTA |
| [18:21:24] | ** PatrickDK reorganizes his mythvideo's ** | |
| [18:25:09] | TelnetManta: | well that killed all discussions lol |
| [18:26:02] | iamlindoro__: | yup, as it should. It's one of the forbidden topics in here. |
| [18:26:11] | Led-Hed: | k3rn3l, check this out, If you need HDMI |
| [18:26:12] | Led-Hed: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814122037 |
| [18:27:33] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, BBC HD is FTA! |
| [18:27:34] | PatrickDK: | nice, it has s/pdif passthough for it too |
| [18:27:55] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, yeah, but that's where FTA = FTA and not FTA = YARRRRRRRR me amtey |
| [18:27:57] | iamlindoro__: | er matey |
| [18:27:59] | Led-Hed: | yup, but reviews say it overheats easily. :( |
| [18:28:02] | PatrickDK: | now if only my computers supported pcie |
| [18:28:15] | dm-madman: | does anyone here have any experience with any kind of mythfrontend firmware devices |
| [18:28:16] | PatrickDK: | I can always add a bigger heatsink :) |
| [18:28:31] | dm-madman: | for lack of a better term |
| [18:29:11] | TelnetManta: | whats that s.pdif for anyways? |
| [18:29:11] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro__: FTA = piracy must be some yank perversion. |
| [18:29:19] | iamlindoro__: | AndyCap, Yup |
| [18:29:19] | AndyCap: | TelnetManta: digital audio |
| [18:29:24] | TelnetManta: | ah |
| [18:30:02] | PatrickDK: | hdmi supports video and audio over the same cable |
| [18:30:03] | TelnetManta: | AndyCap: Yes, FTA doesnt always equal piracy but often does when searched for via google |
| [18:30:03] | iamlindoro__: | AndyCap, The box manufacturers get away with calling them "FTA boxes"... which they are... until you feed them NAGRA keys and they start stealing cable |
| [18:30:12] | iamlindoro__: | er sat |
| [18:30:43] | TelnetManta: | iamlindoro__: They have to be 'upgraded' as well so they arent shipped with the brains to process the keys. |
| [18:30:50] | AndyCap: | well, same thing, could easily steal cable as well, if somebody figure it out. |
| [18:30:57] | iamlindoro__: | TelnetManta, Not so, many of them are |
| [18:31:11] | Thomas-: | unicode problem in find_meta.py solution anyone? Think it has something to do with strange chars in 'also known as' http://pastebin.ca/959813 |
| [18:31:12] | Led-Hed: | dm-madman, firmware device, Like a embedded MythFrontend? |
| [18:31:38] | AndyCap: | embedded mythfrontend? that sounds slightly sucky with the state that mythtv is in. |
| [18:32:29] | Led-Hed: | PatrickDK, heres another for less $$$, but used a DVI -> HDMI adapter, still has the SP/DIF pass through |
| [18:32:30] | PatrickDK: | I think he means like the hauppauge frontend thing |
| [18:32:33] | Led-Hed: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500021 |
| [18:32:39] | dm-madman: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116617 |
| [18:32:41] | blackest: | not all sat providers insist on you using their sat box |
| [18:32:42] | dm-madman: | like this |
| [18:32:51] | Led-Hed: | ahh |
| [18:32:56] | iamlindoro__: | blackest, Maybe not where you are from, but in the US they do. |
| [18:33:16] | Led-Hed: | dm-madman, you might be better off netbooting a device. Check out MiniMyth |
| [18:33:43] | dm-madman: | i considered building a mini-itx or microatx computer for it |
| [18:33:46] | blackest: | is there no fta channels in the usa ? |
| [18:34:07] | AndyCap: | blackest: terrestrial tv I guess is the big one. |
| [18:34:16] | Led-Hed: | dm-madman, If you dont need HD, then the AppleTV might be a good choice. |
| [18:34:17] | dm-madman: | i wouldn't mind saving a little money if it's a decent piece of hardware though |
| [18:34:32] | TelnetManta: | blackest: only NASA |
| [18:34:39] | iamlindoro__: | blackest, There are a few random ones that are equivalent to local and community access channels-- but most people in the US, like I said before, use FTA euphemistically for their stealing satellite |
| [18:34:40] | dm-madman: | i don't need hd |
| [18:34:47] | dm-madman: | where do i find that appletv |
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| [18:35:02] | keith4_: | you want a uPnP frontend? |
| [18:35:05] | dm-madman: | it's a myth compatible frontend? |
| [18:35:16] | AndyCap: | blackest: http://lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.html |
| [18:35:33] | Led-Hed: | dm-madman, http://www.apple.com/appletv/ |
| [18:35:42] | dm-madman: | i want something cheap i can plug into my tv and my network and run a frontend on |
| [18:36:00] | AndyCap: | blackest: so a little bit. but people demand moar lost, moar american idol, moar sheeple |
| [18:36:11] | Led-Hed: | dm-madman, AppleTV can do it. either via Netboot or Hardware mod. |
| [18:36:12] | dm-madman: | i like the real frontend's interface though so i'm hesitant |
| [18:36:25] | Led-Hed: | dm-madman, No you install Myth on it. |
| [18:36:28] | Led-Hed: | BBIAB |
| [18:36:35] | keith4_: | dm-madman: standard def, or HD? |
| [18:36:40] | dm-madman: | SD |
| [18:36:52] | dm-madman: | i hear the xbox thing sucks |
| [18:36:56] | dm-madman: | even for sd |
| [18:37:26] | blackest: | thats a wierd list for the usa its impossible to receive some of the satellites listed from the usa |
| [18:37:32] | dm-madman: | I'd be interested in that mediamvp thing but idk how the UI compares to the one in the real frontend |
| [18:37:32] | keith4_: | dm-madman: newegg has them in the "network media players" category |
| [18:37:45] | AndyCap: | blackest: which nes? |
| [18:38:02] | blackest: | well hotbird 6 for a start |
| [18:38:15] | dm-madman: | keith4_ : yes, those are what i'm talking about |
| [18:38:17] | AndyCap: | blackest: oh. um. it's from the US. not in the US. |
| [18:38:28] | dm-madman: | has anyone used one? |
| [18:38:39] | AndyCap: | blackest: so yeah. I guess there are some other channels available in the us as well. |
| [18:38:39] | dm-madman: | (anyone here) |
| [18:38:51] | blackest: | mediamvp is erm crap |
| [18:39:13] | dm-madman: | blackest : ok, why |
| [18:39:43] | dm-madman: | my concern was that the interface would be lame in comparison |
| [18:40:02] | blackest: | i have got one it can't handle live tv , the recorded streams i was getting green boxes where it couldnt decode fast enough and it crashes regularly |
| [18:40:18] | dm-madman: | oh |
| [18:40:21] | dm-madman: | a real POS |
| [18:40:25] | dm-madman: | thanks |
| [18:40:45] | blackest: | ok i havent tried an updated software in over a year but i don't expect much change |
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| [18:41:25] | dm-madman: | i'm not interested in trying it |
| [18:41:32] | dm-madman: | not if you had that much trouble |
| [18:41:47] | blackest: | it wasnt too bad for squeezebox |
| [18:41:49] | dm-madman: | i'd rather spend $200 or so on a microatx box |
| [18:41:55] | keith4_: | i'm very close to buying a mac mini for the job |
| [18:42:00] | keith4_: | for HD, that is |
| [18:42:04] | TelnetManta: | dm-madman: Seen the asus minis? |
| [18:42:14] | TelnetManta: | erm aOpen |
| [18:42:18] | dm-madman: | TelnetManta : no i have not |
| [18:42:20] | TelnetManta: | http://minipc.aopen.com/us/spec.htm |
| [18:42:21] | blackest: | xbox is better than the mediamnp |
| [18:42:24] | directhex: | TelnetManta, sure. more expensive and worse than apple |
| [18:42:29] | directhex: | TelnetManta, and uglier. woo! |
| [18:42:34] | dm-madman: | blackest : i hear the xbox sucks |
| [18:42:46] | blackest: | however xbox is slow to change channels |
| [18:43:12] | blackest: | theres a lack of ram which cripples it quite badly |
| [18:43:15] | TelnetManta: | directhex: I thought they looked okay.. |
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| [18:43:54] | blackest: | i dunno if there is a recent build for the xbox either |
| [18:43:56] | keith4_: | i wish they made a black mac mini |
| [18:43:56] | TelnetManta: | I've been looking for a cheap, small frontend myself. Right now I have a combo be/fe in my entertainment center, its loud and big lol |
| [18:44:02] | keith4_: | maybe i could spraypaint it |
| [18:45:31] | blackest: | http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs . . . 349_div.HTML compaq evo d510 |
| [18:45:34] | TelnetManta: | so anyone have links to small frontend systems/cases? |
| [18:46:04] | keith4_: | http://www.apple.com/macmini/ |
| [18:46:23] | directhex: | keith4_ wins |
| [18:46:28] | blackest: | its not too bad a p4 pretty quiet , half height agp slot and a couple of pci slots |
| [18:46:31] | dm-madman: | i managed to find everything on newegg for a mini-itx solution that was supposedly going to be very quiet |
| [18:46:41] | dm-madman: | it was going to cost approx $250 |
| [18:46:53] | keith4_: | bet it won't do 1920x1080 |
| [18:47:10] | robbins61: | It seems that mythvideo's video manager doesn't recognize files such as this... certain.video.file.a.avi and certain.video.file.b.avi as being related and needing to play one right after the other...is there something i can edit ot make it do this? |
| [18:47:13] | dm-madman: | i can't imagine why it wouldn't |
| [18:47:32] | keith4_: | robbins61: yes, concatenate them together, and re-index them into one avi |
| [18:47:33] | blackest: | the d510 would cost about $250 2nd hand |
| [18:47:36] | dm-madman: | but i actually came up with a better solution (and cheaper) but possibly slightly less quiet |
| [18:47:39] | directhex: | robbins61, rename them to use numbers, not letters |
| [18:47:49] | robbins61: | i've got like 400 movies to do this with |
| [18:47:51] | TelnetManta: | keith4_: How do you hook that to a tv? |
| [18:47:55] | dm-madman: | using a microatx and media center case |
| [18:48:02] | keith4_: | TelnetManta: DVI->HDMI cable |
| [18:48:08] | dm-madman: | and that had a nice nvidia card that could certainly handle that resolution |
| [18:48:09] | TelnetManta: | cost? |
| [18:48:15] | keith4_: | $10? |
| [18:48:22] | dm-madman: | i believe that was going to be around $190 |
| [18:48:23] | TelnetManta: | I mean the mini lol |
| [18:48:23] | blackest: | http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-COMPAQ-EVO-D510-P4-2-4 . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [18:48:41] | dm-madman: | it was a frontend only though |
| [18:48:44] | dm-madman: | no drive |
| [18:48:46] | keith4_: | TelnetManta: ~$500 |
| [18:48:54] | TelnetManta: | eck! |
| [18:49:01] | directhex: | hint: a geforce 2 could drive a screen at 1920x1080 |
| [18:49:18] | dm-madman: | yeah this was to have a nice video card |
| [18:49:25] | dm-madman: | well, nice enough for this |
| [18:49:40] | keith4_: | i'm going to get a mini, as soon as they upgrade them, and put in a flash drive instead of the HD, probably |
| [18:49:41] | dm-madman: | a 512MB geforce 7300 or something |
| [18:50:01] | dm-madman: | i was looking for svideo though |
| [18:50:20] | dm-madman: | there were plenty of microatx boards with DVI outs and stuff |
| [18:50:23] | directhex: | svideo? retrotastic |
| [18:50:30] | dm-madman: | and nvidia cards |
| [18:50:35] | dm-madman: | ty directhex |
| [18:50:38] | dm-madman: | lol |
| [18:50:45] | keith4_: | dm-madman: you're going to get a 7300 and connect it via svideo? |
| [18:50:50] | ** keith4_ sighs ** | |
| [18:51:05] | dm-madman: | lol |
| [18:51:10] | keith4_: | you really are a madman! |
| [18:51:15] | TelnetManta: | I have a 7600gs connected via component |
| [18:51:26] | dm-madman: | i figured i may as well have something for when i buy a new tv |
| [18:51:57] | dm-madman: | the same card had dvi and some others |
| [18:52:01] | ** directhex will buy a mini when he has some cash ** | |
| [18:52:05] | directhex: | and a new, bigger TV |
| [18:53:14] | TelnetManta: | how abt this? |
| [18:53:16] | TelnetManta: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856110070 |
| [18:54:08] | directhex: | looks like a pc |
| [18:54:46] | TelnetManta: | directhex: HAH, but how would it work as a frontend |
| [18:55:04] | dm-madman: | that could work for dvi |
| [18:55:18] | directhex: | TelnetManta, with a 2ghz cpu? exactly the same as a mac mini. a little worse, infact. cheaper tho |
| [18:55:21] | dm-madman: | intel gma drivers are decent |
| [18:55:44] | directhex: | yes, they're reasonable |
| [18:55:52] | dm-madman: | 2 ghz seems excessive for decoding mpeg, even high definition mpeg |
| [18:56:02] | dm-madman: | don't you think so? |
| [18:56:56] | directhex: | dm-madman, mpeg2? no idea, i avoid toy codecs |
| [18:57:03] | AndyCap: | <hobbyhorse>I want a more powerful http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/embedded/vm7700/ </hobbyhorse> |
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| [18:58:02] | directhex: | AndyCap, 1ghz c7? not happening |
| [18:58:11] | GreyFoxx: | dm-madman: No it's not excesive for decoding HDTV mpeg2 |
| [18:58:17] | TelnetManta: | Ooh even cheaper and Nvidia! |
| [18:58:18] | TelnetManta: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856110057R |
| [18:58:24] | TelnetManta: | amd though |
| [18:58:37] | AndyCap: | directhex: yeah, myth's not happening on it. (or any useful tv) :-P that's why I want more power. |
| [18:58:55] | AndyCap: | then just screw it onto a flat-tv and a small hdmi loop-cable. :P |
| [18:59:13] | TelnetManta: | and Intel: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856110070R |
| [18:59:18] | dm-madman: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153048 |
| [18:59:22] | AndyCap: | but as far as I can tell the fiire people use it for their frontend. |
| [18:59:22] | TelnetManta: | $119, cant beat that |
| [18:59:25] | dm-madman: | link soup |
| [18:59:41] | TelnetManta: | sry |
| [18:59:48] | dm-madman: | i thought that seemed decent but idk how good the unichrome drivers are |
| [19:00:10] | directhex: | dm-madman, shite |
| [19:00:16] | iamlindoro__: | No VIA! Bad VIA, bad! |
| [19:00:20] | dm-madman: | lol |
| [19:00:35] | dm-madman: | i figured |
| [19:01:18] | dm-madman: | that's why i looked at a microatx/sempron combo with an external low profile video card |
| [19:01:31] | AndyCap: | I suspect they're slightly overselling the capabilities here: http://fiire.com/fiire-station.php |
| [19:01:33] | dm-madman: | sempron should be sufficient |
| [19:01:51] | directhex: | AndyCap, c7 is garbage |
| [19:02:13] | dm-madman: | all those via chips are junk directhex? |
| [19:02:30] | directhex: | c7 is c3 with missing instructions filled in. c3 is a die-shrunk idt winchip. idt winchip is a p2 competitor for people who don't want to bin their p1 motherboards |
| [19:02:30] | dm-madman: | i was curious since they can run w/o fans supposedly |
| [19:02:56] | directhex: | dm-madman, via cpus are garbage |
| [19:03:09] | dm-madman: | ok |
| [19:03:16] | AndyCap: | So basically it is "original fail" |
| [19:03:47] | dm-madman: | i knew nothing about them so i was afraid to invest w/o getting a real opinion |
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| [19:04:47] | dm-madman: | This one has some decent reviews though: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135060 |
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| [19:04:56] | dm-madman: | and room for a PCIE low profile nvidia |
| [19:05:48] | dm-madman: | i think someone said it won't boot from usb, so bootp is the answer there i guess |
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| [19:06:34] | dm-madman: | they also have a microatx 'media center' case that's not too ugly for about 50 bucks |
| [19:07:19] | dm-madman: | that setup seem decent to you guys? |
| [19:07:31] | dm-madman: | aside from the 'who the hell is elitegroup' |
| [19:08:28] | TelnetManta: | whats the case look like? |
| [19:08:53] | k3rn3l: | so if i already have an fta box, there's no way to capture from it? |
| [19:09:19] | TelnetManta: | k3rn3l: Not HD |
| [19:09:30] | directhex: | dm-madman, ecs? bargain basement motherboard manufacturer |
| [19:09:34] | directhex: | dm-madman, they own pc-chips |
| [19:10:06] | PatrickDK: | and it doesn't support dual-core :( |
| [19:10:06] | k3rn3l: | what about those dvico cards? |
| [19:10:47] | dm-madman: | it has a built in cpu patrick |
| [19:11:01] | dm-madman: | TelnetManta : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811121027 |
| [19:11:22] | dm-madman: | plain black case, small |
| [19:11:27] | dm-madman: | $52 |
| [19:11:38] | dm-madman: | the shipping was the killer there i think |
| [19:11:45] | dm-madman: | another $30 or something |
| [19:12:01] | PatrickDK: | dm-madman, dunno, but that looks like a socket, with a handle the cpu is in :) |
| [19:12:19] | dm-madman: | could be |
| [19:12:34] | k3rn3l: | so even with those dvico fusion hd cards, there's no way to be able to capture hd? |
| [19:13:01] | dm-madman: | yeah that one had a socket |
| [19:13:06] | dm-madman: | i looked at so many |
| [19:13:14] | dm-madman: | some were soldered on i think |
| [19:13:25] | TelnetManta: | dm-madman: This one looks better |
| [19:13:26] | TelnetManta: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811190017 |
| [19:13:29] | TelnetManta: | $39 |
| [19:13:49] | directhex: | there's an old saying |
| [19:13:52] | iamlindoro__: | k3rn3l, no |
| [19:13:53] | directhex: | garbage in, garbage out |
| [19:13:54] | directhex: | consider it |
| [19:14:11] | iamlindoro__: | k3rn3l, not off your existing box, anyway |
| [19:14:11] | AndyCap: | k3rn3l: there will be a component hd capture card later afaik. |
| [19:14:13] | dm-madman: | i like the other one better |
| [19:14:16] | dm-madman: | heh |
| [19:14:44] | PatrickDK: | TelnetManta, that one is huge |
| [19:14:45] | TelnetManta: | dm-madman: I was trying to find my case on newegg, they dont have it anymore |
| [19:15:13] | k3rn3l: | andycap: really, do u know what company will be coming out with it? |
| [19:15:24] | TelnetManta: | PatrickDK: guess yur right, still smaller than the one I have now.. |
| [19:15:38] | dm-madman: | no mention of the weight on that case i linked...only 0.7mm Thickness SECC |
| [19:15:41] | PatrickDK: | k3rn3l, hauppauge has one in the works |
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| [19:15:50] | AndyCap: | k3rn3l: http://www.everythingusb.com/hauppauge-hd-pvr-14104.html |
| [19:15:52] | dm-madman: | not sure how heavy a case that really is |
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| [19:16:47] | PatrickDK: | dm-madman, well consider a good trashbag is .08mm :) |
| [19:17:13] | k3rn3l: | cool, thnx |
| [19:17:14] | dm-madman: | generally heavier cases are quieter, but for my application i prefer lighter...so I'm not sure it makes much difference |
| [19:18:04] | dm-madman: | .7mm is probably not a terribly flimsy case |
| [19:18:14] | dm-madman: | not a really heavy one either |
| [19:18:57] | dm-madman: | how much is that appletv thing |
| [19:19:08] | robbins61: | why was the mechanism for recognizing movies in a series changed in .21? It's so retarded, I never used to have this issue |
| [19:19:11] | dm-madman: | that's all embedded isn't it |
| [19:21:22] | robbins61: | the play after feature, i mean |
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| [19:34:49] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, I turned off firewire bus reset as well last night-- successful recordings so far w/ no failures, thanks for the tip |
| [19:35:34] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Yeah it's worked perfectly for me so far. not one missed one |
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| [19:37:22] | GreyFoxx: | Now my biggest glitch is recordings not ending when they are suppose to |
| [19:37:31] | GreyFoxx: | once in a while one keeps going abnormally long |
| [19:37:49] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: what ver of myth? |
| [19:37:56] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, haven't seen that yet but I'll keep an eye on it-- have heard that complaint about DVB-S and T a bit recently though |
| [19:38:01] | GreyFoxx: | trunk from just before the QT4 merge |
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| [19:40:08] | directhex: | craft craft craft |
| [19:40:12] | TelnetManta: | guys, will having compiz running on a desktop stop myth from working? |
| [19:40:28] | dm-madman: | no |
| [19:40:32] | directhex: | TelnetManta, no, but you will have no window decorations, and fullscreen will be hit-and-miss |
| [19:40:34] | GreyFoxx: | tele: In the past people have complained of it causing issues, but I've never used it myself |
| [19:40:47] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Every once in a while I get one that keeps going |
| [19:41:01] | dm-madman: | i use beryl all the time and run myth in it |
| [19:41:08] | directhex: | beryl? christ, how retro |
| [19:41:13] | dm-madman: | i have everything run windowed though |
| [19:41:16] | GreyFoxx: | I have one right now that is recording from an HDTVmovie channel, it started last night at 10pm and was suppose to end by midnight, but it's still going :) 75G's in size |
| [19:41:36] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, have you seen any of the other similar complaints? Think it was mostly DVB stuff when I've heard of it before, though |
| [19:41:37] | dm-madman: | oh, yeah, 6 months after they merged into compiz-fusion |
| [19:41:41] | dm-madman: | how retro |
| [19:41:51] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, Yikes! Does a backend restart fix it? |
| [19:41:57] | TelnetManta: | directhex: I just tried to use my laptop as a remote frontend the other night. I couldnt get mythtv-setup to even run |
| [19:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: yeah, |
| [19:42:09] | TelnetManta: | havent tried disableing compiz yet though. |
| [19:42:16] | dm-madman: | compiz-fusion needs work before i'll use it regularly |
| [19:42:23] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: I had it happen a few times on my pvr cards, this is the first on my firewire source |
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| [19:42:40] | dm-madman: | it doesn't run as well or have the features i like from beryl |
| [19:43:20] | TelnetManta: | dm-madman: compiz works much better than beryl did for me and its much easier to setup, but, thats a discussion for another chn :-) |
| [19:43:32] | dm-madman: | yeah i have both |
| [19:43:45] | dm-madman: | it makes little difference which you choose |
| [19:43:52] | dm-madman: | they are essentially the same program |
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| [19:44:02] | directhex: | TelnetManta, you don't run mythtv-setup on frontends though |
| [19:44:20] | directhex: | except one is discontinued |
| [19:44:40] | TelnetManta: | directhex: well it has a backend installed as well. I just wanted to configure it to look at my remote backend. |
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| [19:45:03] | dm-madman: | at any rate i've run myth in a window on both and it works just fine |
| [19:45:10] | TelnetManta: | kk |
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| [19:46:39] | TelnetManta: | i must have other problems. I'll start over. |
| [19:46:56] | directhex: | video driver problem? |
| [19:47:57] | PatrickDK: | oh, iamlindoro, I was mistaken yesterday, I have onboard intel 915 video cards, not ati |
| [19:49:53] | iamlindoro__: | PatrickDK, Much better :) |
| [19:50:11] | iamlindoro__: | That would explain their, whatayacallit... "working." |
| [19:50:20] | PatrickDK: | hehe |
| [19:50:34] | PatrickDK: | so I haven't done more than 80x25 on an ati builtin yet |
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| [19:51:19] | PatrickDK: | it sucks I have to be within 6' to be able to see the screen at 1280x768 res :( |
| [19:51:48] | PatrickDK: | guess that means it's time to upgrade from a 23" to a 42" lcd |
| [19:54:40] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [19:56:11] | directhex: | PatrickDK, my sentiments exactly |
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| [19:58:29] | GreyFoxx: | PatrickDK: heh |
| [19:58:47] | iamlindoro__: | There's always room for upgrades! |
| [19:59:12] | PatrickDK: | iamlindoro, I wish :( it's mounted in the bedroom on the wall |
| [19:59:22] | PatrickDK: | if it was any bigger, I would hit my head on it everytime I go to the bathroom |
| [19:59:24] | iamlindoro__: | Move it in front of the can! |
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| [19:59:46] | iamlindoro__: | about two feet up from the ground in front of the turlitt |
| [20:00:15] | PatrickDK: | heh |
| [20:00:30] | iamlindoro__: | and you can *crawl* into the head once you've got the new 60" in |
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| [20:18:59] | justinh: | arse, arse, arse, arse arse! That car which got burned out on Friday – turned out not to be mine after all. They've found mine though, before the insurance co. dealt out the payment. In Scotland. Arse! |
| [20:23:29] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, was it occupied at the time, or abandoned? |
| [20:23:46] | justinh: | occupied. by some woman or other. stopped it going into scotland today |
| [20:23:48] | ** iamlindoro__ hopes someone took a beating over it, that's always fun ** | |
| [20:24:09] | justinh: | ffs I've had my new car for nearly a week, a month after the other was stolen |
| [20:24:27] | justinh: | of all the frigging luck! |
| [20:24:46] | TelnetManta: | Does the guy who created the Blootube theme still come around or did his temper get the best of him? |
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| [20:24:51] | justinh: | worst case I've got a car to sell. police reckon it's not officially been reported found yet |
| [20:24:58] | GreyFoxx: | Tele: Stop being a troll |
| [20:25:07] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, here we get underage kids joyriding and abandoning them, or drug addicts selling them amongst themselves for dope-- I would guess the latter on yours |
| [20:25:13] | GreyFoxx: | justinh: sel the old and keep the new ? :) |
| [20:25:22] | TelnetManta: | GreyFoxx: ? not a troll? I've been gone a while and noticed the theme wasnt online any longer? |
| [20:25:34] | justinh: | TelnetManta: if I didn't know any better I'd say you sounded like the guy who was sending me abusive emails |
| [20:25:36] | TelnetManta: | GreyFoxx: He used to have some interesting exchanges lol |
| [20:25:59] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: yeah true but it's hassle anybody could do without innit |
| [20:26:01] | TelnetManta: | justinh: was it you? |
| [20:26:06] | ** iamlindoro__ put in three applications today to go back to fun work ** | |
| [20:26:17] | TelnetManta: | really, sorry, I didnt know........ |
| [20:26:23] | TelnetManta: | shesh |
| [20:26:58] | justinh: | so knowing it was me makes it bad, but until you knew it was ok? |
| [20:27:30] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, I would guess from "He used to have some interesting exchanges lol" that you were right re: e-mails :) |
| [20:27:33] | TelnetManta: | not exactly. I just wondered if "he" still came around. If you remember I liked yout themes so much I sent you money. |
| [20:28:01] | TelnetManta: | I was just gonna ask if there were any new updates etc. |
| [20:28:15] | TelnetManta: | never emailed anyone on this chan. |
| [20:28:28] | justinh: | TelnetManta: the ones part of mythtv are kept pretty much up to date so far. can't speak about trunk though |
| [20:28:54] | TelnetManta: | so thats why I said sorry..... didnt think you were on the chan any longer |
| [20:29:09] | justinh: | whether they'll continue to be kept up to date.. that depends how much work it's going to entail |
| [20:29:48] | justinh: | and no, my temper still isn't any better but nowadays I have plenty to be pissed off about! |
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| [20:29:56] | Thomas-: | justinh: I feel oblidged to say thanks for the blootube theme, only one I use :) |
| [20:30:13] | Thomas-: | (sorry for the spelling) |
| [20:30:14] | justinh: | just don't, cos then I might feel bad about disowning them |
| [20:30:27] | TelnetManta: | only one I use as well |
| [20:30:40] | Thomas-: | you should :p |
| [20:30:40] | TelnetManta: | iamlindoro__: I don't want to be labeled as a troll |
| [20:31:03] | iamlindoro__: | TelnetManta, I never called you one... |
| [20:31:13] | TelnetManta: | oops |
| [20:31:16] | TelnetManta: | :-) |
| [20:31:23] | TelnetManta: | GreyFoxx: meant for you |
| [20:32:00] | TelnetManta: | anyways.... glad you're still hear Justinh |
| [20:32:10] | justinh: | see this is the one regret I have about ever starting a theme. one leads to another, you fall out of love with older ones & don't much feel like updating them... then you end up being made to feel bad. grrr |
| [20:32:11] | directhex: | GreyFoxx is an expert troll |
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| [20:32:26] | directhex: | and iamlindoro__ |
| [20:32:31] | iamlindoro__: | wheeeeeee! |
| [20:33:02] | justinh: | but to hell with it – it was all nice while it lasted. there'll be other, better ones in future. just not putting myself on any friggin podium to be shot at ever again |
| [20:33:02] | ** Thomas- pats iamlindoro, nice troll, nice troll ** | |
| [20:33:03] | ** iamlindoro__ grumbles and hides under a bridge ** | |
| [20:33:57] | justinh: | anyway I spose as long as my car hasn't yet 'officially' been recovered (i.e. police down here have no such record), the ins. cheque could arrive before Monday :) |
| [20:34:00] | TelnetManta: | i admit, I looked the other day for a better looking theme. Couldnt find one. I was kinda ready for a change lol |
| [20:34:34] | Thomas-: | justinh: I see your point and the truth is that as long as the code is part of the svn then anyone should be able to keep up the work and updating it, given that they want to keep using it |
| [20:34:42] | TelnetManta: | good grief would myhttv finish compiling so I can go home LOL |
| [20:34:57] | justinh: | Thomas-: yup – which is why I really don't feel at all bad about taking the site down |
| [20:35:11] | justinh: | they belong to the community now :D |
| [20:35:29] | justinh: | just pretend glass-wide never happened, k |
| [20:35:29] | Thomas-: | thats all fine, but a pointer on the old site would have been nice :) |
| [20:35:40] | Thomas-: | glass-what? :p |
| [20:35:52] | justinh: | I should've listened to folks here & made the nasty emails public. might've helped |
| [20:36:30] | TelnetManta: | what happened? as I said I've been away for several months.. |
| [20:36:37] | justinh: | sad fact of being involved in FOSS projects though – the minute people get a whiff you have anything to do with something & they bitch at ya for stuff |
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| [20:38:52] | TelnetManta: | is there a way to start myth in a window from the command line? |
| [20:39:20] | iamlindoro__: | I believe there's a -geometry option |
| [20:39:46] | iamlindoro__: | ie mythfrontend -geometry 640x480 |
| [20:39:52] | iamlindoro__: | er two -'s |
| [20:39:54] | justinh: | ok. I'm not going to go over this again ... last time... I announced that I was discontinuing support for some of the themes – gave fair warning. Then I started getting emails from various addresses all written in a similar style & tone saying how much I sucked for dropping support. It got a bit much & I thought screw it, I'll drop all of them. Then the emails got worse & the 'why mythtv sucks' bitchy wiki page appeare |
| [20:40:18] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, You're the pressure gasket of the myth community! |
| [20:40:28] | TelnetManta: | crap |
| [20:40:33] | justinh: | mythfrontend -W |
| [20:40:41] | justinh: | err mythfrontend -w :) |
| [20:40:56] | TelnetManta: | reinstalled, the frontend and setup are both trying to connect to my backend which is at home, then segfaults |
| [20:41:07] | justinh: | I still try not to whine about how much the whiners whine. it sometimes works |
| [20:41:11] | Yahooadam: | hold on, somone wrote a mythtv sucks page? |
| [20:41:21] | ** Yahooadam gets a pitchfork ** | |
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| [20:41:38] | beoba: | getting syntax errors when trying to build svn: |
| [20:41:39] | beoba: | sh /home/mythtv/build/mythtv/version.sh \"/home/mythtv/build/mythtv\" \"": http://cvs.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv/version.pro "\" |
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| [20:41:43] | beoba: | grep: "/home/mythtv/build/mythtv"/libs/libmyth/mythcontext.h: No such file or directory |
| [20:41:48] | beoba: | this is on a debian machine |
| [20:42:06] | beoba: | it might be a qt library issue, i noticed that if i use qmake-qt4 then i dont get such errors |
| [20:42:15] | beoba: | (above errs come with qmake-qt3) |
| [20:42:16] | iamlindoro__: | beoba, trunk is qt4 only now |
| [20:42:19] | justinh: | Yahooadam: it's in the wiki. the powers that be have even reinstated it a couple of times now :( |
| [20:42:24] | beoba: | okay, ill use qt4 then :) |
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| [20:42:51] | beoba: | this site implies qt3 going by the libraries it wanted to install: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . n_Debian_Sid |
| [20:43:08] | iamlindoro__: | beoba, that's because myth went qt4 this week |
| [20:43:10] | iamlindoro__: | fix it! |
| [20:43:16] | justinh: | beoba: that page is out of date, like most howtos in the wiki are |
| [20:43:28] | beoba: | is there a usable guide for building from svn? |
| [20:43:36] | iamlindoro__: | just the one you're about to write |
| [20:43:42] | Yahooadam: | "of those things that people feel makes MythTV less than perfect" != sucks |
| [20:43:43] | justinh: | apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins |
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| [20:43:51] | beoba: | yeah, i did that |
| [20:43:55] | justinh: | ./configure --prefix=$whatever |
| [20:43:59] | justinh: | make && sudo make install |
| [20:44:00] | justinh: | badabing |
| [20:44:19] | justinh: | bash: badabing: command not found |
| [20:44:25] | Yahooadam: | ill agree, mythtv isnt perfect, no-where near tbh |
| [20:44:27] | iamlindoro__: | apt-get install badabing |
| [20:44:32] | Yahooadam: | but, i dont think it "sucks" |
| [20:44:43] | justinh: | Yahooadam: I concur |
| [20:44:53] | beoba: | if you add the blow plugin you can make it counter the sucking |
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| [20:45:18] | justinh: | let the whiners say their piece. it's not as if anybody who matters will really listen anyway :) |
| [20:45:33] | justinh: | still, doesn't half get the bile up |
| [20:46:07] | Yahooadam: | if we completly ignore scheduling in mythtv, and leave that on mythweb |
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| [20:46:13] | Yahooadam: | i find mythtv completly usable |
| [20:46:33] | Led-Hed: | my physics teacher always said that suck was usless terms as there is only vacuum |
| [20:46:57] | Led-Hed: | Yahooadam, lol |
| [20:48:00] | Yahooadam: | to the point my parents are thinking of using a Media Center Pc now |
| [20:48:26] | Led-Hed: | Yahooadam, do you live with your parents or live near by? |
| [20:48:35] | Yahooadam: | sort of both |
| [20:48:35] | justinh: | Yahooadam: wish them luck with that. especially if they want it to record stuff they've never seen :P |
| [20:49:00] | Yahooadam: | atm they use a DVD/HDD record and a DVD recorder |
| [20:49:09] | justinh: | MCE ain't too clever at scheduling, I have that on very good authority |
| [20:49:14] | Led-Hed: | then thats fine, but my experience is to never give a family member a MythTV unless they are savy enough to fix it when it breaks |
| [20:49:27] | Yahooadam: | i said Media Center PC – not Windows MCE :p |
| [20:49:33] | justinh: | duh |
| [20:49:41] | justinh: | you're braver than I then |
| [20:49:55] | beoba: | im a pc |
| [20:49:58] | Yahooadam: | currently ive put mythtv on it, but if they want windows MCE, its up to them |
| [20:50:07] | Led-Hed: | beoba, that sucks |
| [20:50:25] | directhex: | i'm a mac |
| [20:50:28] | ** directhex mocks beoba ** | |
| [20:50:42] | ** iamlindoro__ plays the jingly tune in the background ** | |
| [20:50:45] | ** Led-Hed runs on isolinear chips ** | |
| [20:50:58] | ** Yahooadam goes at warp 9 ** | |
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| [20:51:21] | ** justinh pats his Z80 processor ** | |
| [20:51:24] | Led-Hed: | careful there Yahooadam you will tear a hole in space |
| [20:51:44] | Yahooadam: | i just need an upgrade to go at warp 10 :p |
| [20:51:44] | Led-Hed: | justinh, CoCo? |
| [20:51:54] | justinh: | CoCo never had a Z80 |
| [20:52:01] | clever: | no thats warp 10! |
| [20:52:02] | clever: | lol |
| [20:52:03] | Led-Hed: | Yahooadam, Bahhh, Warp 10 is impossibel |
| [20:52:04] | justinh: | CoCo was 6808 then 6809 |
| [20:52:23] | Led-Hed: | justinh, you are correct. My Bad |
| [20:52:24] | justinh: | ZX80, ZX81, then the Spectrash used the Z80 :) |
| [20:52:31] | Yahooadam: | no its not, its been done Led-hed :p |
| [20:52:51] | Led-Hed: | Yahooadam, Warp factors are Exponential, meaning that you will never hit Warp 10 |
| [20:53:09] | iamlindoro__: | You virgins are hilarious |
| [20:53:14] | Yahooadam: | lol |
| [20:53:21] | ** Led-Hed has 4 kids. ** | |
| [20:53:29] | iamlindoro__: | adoption is a noble thing, good for you |
| [20:53:33] | directhex: | warp 10 doesn't exist in metric warp. it was reached by kirk measurted at imperial warp |
| [20:53:35] | directhex: | </sad> |
| [20:53:38] | Yahooadam: | led-hed obviously didnt watch voyager where paris goes at warp 10 :p |
| [20:54:07] | Led-Hed: | Yahooadam, Voyager was BS |
| [20:54:17] | jamesd: | oh course riker also exceeded warp 10 as well.... |
| [20:54:17] | Yahooadam: | apparently when you are at warp 10 you are at every point in space simultaneously |
| [20:54:20] | Led-Hed: | iamlindoro__, and no I'm not a Trekie |
| [20:54:30] | Yahooadam: | jamesd – did he? :p |
| [20:54:32] | Yahooadam: | :o |
| [20:54:52] | Led-Hed: | Its not possible, just as Light speed isnt possible (for humans at least) in the real world |
| [20:55:11] | jamesd: | in a future time... of course it never really happen because it was in an alternative time line. |
| [20:55:28] | Led-Hed: | Uggh |
| [20:55:39] | directhex: | pfft, star trek. babylon 5! |
| [20:55:46] | Yahooadam: | Led-Hed – by that reasoning Warp is impossible ... |
| [20:55:56] | Led-Hed: | Yahooadam, correct. |
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| [20:55:58] | iamlindoro__: | Led-Hed, ok ok, you fornicated a woman once, congrats |
| [20:56:15] | Led-Hed: | iamlindoro, less then 4 hrs ago actually |
| [20:56:23] | iamlindoro__: | suuuuuuuure ya did |
| [20:56:35] | Led-Hed: | I can send U the video |
| [20:56:47] | iamlindoro__: | whisper warp theory in her head, gets her all hot and bothered, eh? |
| [20:56:54] | iamlindoro__: | I bet the children have tusks |
| [20:56:54] | Yahooadam: | ok this conversation has gone downhill, from star-trek (never thought id say that) |
| [20:57:22] | Yahooadam: | has everyone seen Stargate Ark of Truth yet? |
| [20:57:40] | Led-Hed: | iamlindoro__, as I said I'm not a Trekie, but I do happen to know that it works on an exponential scale. Thus 10 being the highest number on the scale is unatainable. |
| [20:57:41] | justinh: | as long as I still have a functioning brain, you can bet on me never seeing it |
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| [20:58:32] | Yahooadam: | umm wtf Led-Hed? being exponential doesnt mean there is a maximum .... |
| [20:58:47] | Led-Hed: | Yahooadam, sure it does |
| [20:58:49] | Yahooadam: | are you dissin stargate justinh :o |
| [20:58:59] | iamlindoro__: | It does when the highest number you know is represented in fingers |
| [20:59:02] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2000/20000103h.jpg |
| [20:59:10] | Led-Hed: | if its the top of the scale it would take all the power in the universe to go that fast. Thus impossible |
| [20:59:27] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, haha |
| [20:59:44] | Yahooadam: | there isnt a "scale" though |
| [20:59:54] | justinh: | Yahooadam: in one sense it's worse than Lost. i.e. it took much less time for me to decide to switch it off |
| [21:00:38] | Led-Hed: | Yahooadam, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4b/Warptable.gif |
| [21:00:45] | Led-Hed: | That solves it. |
| [21:00:47] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, I'll just take a hit redhead, she doesn't even have to speak geek... in fact, better if she doesn't. |
| [21:00:54] | iamlindoro__: | er hot |
| [21:00:58] | Yahooadam: | Led-Hed – Several episodes of the original series placed the Enterprise in peril by having it travel at high warp factors; in "That Which Survives", this factor was as high as 14.1. |
| [21:01:03] | ** Led-Hed cant believe he's arguing about this ** | |
| [21:01:15] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro__: http://englishrussia.com/?p=1629 |
| [21:01:32] | iamlindoro__: | Holy zombie jesus |
| [21:01:41] | Led-Hed: | Yahooadam, Warp 10 = infinate energy usage. |
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| [21:02:01] | iamlindoro__: | I don't wanna date Ivana Drago |
| [21:02:10] | iamlindoro__: | "I must break you." |
| [21:02:20] | Led-Hed: | I dont care what they did in the episodes, obviously the writers had no clue, but Warp 10 isnt possible in the realm of Star Trek |
| [21:02:56] | justinh: | it's un-possible! |
| [21:03:02] | Led-Hed: | lol |
| [21:03:33] | turbo is now known as briand | |
| [21:03:34] | iamlindoro__: | Yeah, what do Star Trek writers know about Star Trek, anyway? |
| [21:03:43] | Led-Hed: | exactly |
| [21:03:53] | iamlindoro__: | Where do they get off, what with the writing things and all |
| [21:04:02] | Yahooadam: | lol |
| [21:04:08] | justinh: | since the main man died... it all went downhill |
| [21:04:29] | AndyCap: | don't argue with the seer of the tapes. knower of the episodes |
| [21:04:29] | Yahooadam: | "In the half-open interval from warp 9 to warp 10, the exponent of w increases toward infinity. Thus, in the Okuda scale, warp speeds approach warp 10 asymptotically. There is no exact formula for this interval because the quoted speeds are based on a hand-drawn curve." |
| [21:04:35] | Yahooadam: | lol |
| [21:04:58] | Led-Hed: | If the episode was written by Gene Roddenberry then OK, outside of that, my statement holds true |
| [21:04:59] | AndyCap: | tremble before his encyclopedic knowledge of star trek |
| [21:05:06] | FinnTux: | eh? everyone gone insane here? I was away just for a while... |
| [21:05:16] | iamlindoro__: | FinnTux, It's been like this for two straight days |
| [21:05:18] | iamlindoro__: | ugh |
| [21:05:21] | Yahooadam: | lol |
| [21:05:36] | Yahooadam: | the fun of 0.21 is dying down, we need new material to discuss :p |
| [21:05:42] | iamlindoro__: | I had a brief ray of hope after the kickban yesterday, but then it all came crashing down again |
| [21:06:26] | FinnTux: | I see |
| [21:06:28] | directhex: | Yahooadam, nipples? |
| [21:06:47] | ** Led-Hed seconds that ** | |
| [21:07:10] | Led-Hed: | New topic, Nipples, Hairy or Not? |
| [21:07:22] | directhex: | ew! |
| [21:08:06] | FinnTux: | nope. those hairs help babies to find them though, don't they? |
| [21:08:47] | Led-Hed: | only on monkeys |
| [21:09:05] | FinnTux: | close enough |
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| [21:09:09] | FinnTux: | lol |
| [21:09:35] | Led-Hed: | well Nipples is a dud. Whats next |
| [21:10:39] | directhex: | pigtails. hawt or super hawt? |
| [21:10:51] | Led-Hed: | only on redheads |
| [21:10:58] | Led-Hed: | and pigs |
| [21:11:53] | clever: | my mythtv still wont build! |
| [21:12:01] | clever: | sh /tmp/mythtv/version.sh \"/tmp/mythtv\" \"": http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv/version.pro "\" |
| [21:12:04] | clever: | grep: "/tmp/mythtv"/libs/libmyth/mythcontext.h: No such file or directory |
| [21:12:15] | directhex: | what's with the speech marks? O_o |
| [21:12:29] | directhex: | quoted speech marks, no less |
| [21:12:44] | clever: | i havent done anything odd |
| [21:12:52] | clever: | make distclean && ./configure && make |
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| [21:13:07] | clever: | everything it quoted, it quoted on its own! |
| [21:13:24] | directhex: | which shell do you use? |
| [21:13:30] | clever: | bash |
| [21:13:58] | jamesd: | make -j3 is nice if you have a dual core cpu. |
| [21:14:01] | clever: | and yes that .h file DOES exist |
| [21:14:21] | clever: | jamesd: i perfer make -j 10 with distcc! |
| [21:14:25] | clever: | even faster:P |
| [21:14:42] | iamlindoro__: | We covered this like 20 minutes ago |
| [21:14:47] | iamlindoro__: | it's a qt3/qt4 thing |
| [21:14:51] | clever: | ahh |
| [21:14:57] | clever: | rip more qt3 out? |
| [21:15:01] | directhex: | clever, no, it doesn't. the speech marks are quoted, as in the path it's loking for is '"/tmp/mythtv"/libs/libmyth/mythcontext.h' not '/tmp/mythtv/libs/libmyth/mythcontext.h' |
| [21:15:06] | iamlindoro__: | "<beoba> it might be a qt library issue, i noticed that if i use qmake-qt4 then i dont get such errors |
| [21:15:06] | iamlindoro__: | <beoba> (above errs come with qmake-qt3) |
| [21:15:42] | clever: | E: Couldn't find package qmake-qt3 |
| [21:15:42] | k-man__: | whats the best way to reorder the channels in the program guide? change the channel number or change the channel name? |
| [21:16:17] | iamlindoro__: | clever, nobody said it was a package name |
| [21:16:22] | clever: | ah |
| [21:16:42] | clever: | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| [21:16:44] | clever: | libqt4-dev |
| [21:17:05] | clever: | just removing every qmake atm |
| [21:17:13] | clever: | bash: qmake: command not found |
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| [21:17:19] | floppyears: | hi guys |
| [21:17:24] | floppyears: | how's mythweb going ? |
| [21:17:34] | directhex: | floppyears, mythwebbily |
| [21:17:39] | floppyears: | hehe |
| [21:18:13] | clever: | iamlindoro__: there is only qt4 qmake installed now |
| [21:18:13] | Yahooadam: | mythweb ftw :) |
| [21:18:16] | iamlindoro__: | I would make sure to qmake-qt4 mythtv.pro once you've got all the qt3 stuff out, and before you run make |
| [21:18:24] | floppyears: | what are the future plants for mythweb ? |
| [21:18:31] | directhex: | floppyears, mythwebbing |
| [21:18:32] | xris: | basil |
| [21:18:38] | xris: | apple trees are nice plants... |
| [21:18:41] | clever: | runing... |
| [21:19:00] | directhex: | xris, did you take a look at my no-broken-ffmpeg-plz ticket? |
| [21:19:14] | iamlindoro__: | MOAR libmp3lame |
| [21:19:14] | xris: | I saw it go in, but haven't looked at the patch |
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| [21:19:38] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, MOAR |
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| [21:20:20] | k-man__: | is myth supposed to only show a channel once in the program guide if it has the same callsign |
| [21:20:21] | k-man__: | ? |
| [21:21:15] | clever: | ccache is making this rip thru everuthing |
| [21:21:20] | clever: | even after a make distclean |
| [21:23:30] | clever: | http://pastebin.ca/960074 |
| [21:23:33] | clever: | still errors! |
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| [21:28:15] | ** Thomas- mumbles something about lies, damn lies, statistics and used car salesmen (just sold a crappy ford mondeo for 60% of my original price, damn they are good at bargaining) ** | |
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| [21:31:29] | k-man__: | is there any way to prevent myth showing multiple channels with the same callsign in the EPG? |
| [21:31:56] | ** clever rips every trace of qt3 out WHILE mythtv is runing ** | |
| [21:32:33] | Yahooadam: | doesnt sound very clever :p |
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| [21:32:45] | clever: | aslong as i dont close the mythbackend |
| [21:32:48] | clever: | the open libs wont get fully deleted |
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| [21:34:35] | clever: | still errors! |
| [21:35:32] | iamlindoro__: | clever, Anduin was telling you last night that qt3 can get wedged in there once you have the issue-- a clean checkout may be worth trying, and I'd delete ccache too |
| [21:36:02] | clever: | i'll make another clean checkout |
| [21:36:17] | clever: | and ive allready gone thru a make distclean |
| [21:37:34] | clever: | all files for svn:ignore also deleted |
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| [21:38:34] | iamlindoro__: | probably ought to rm -rf ~/.ccache too |
| [21:38:48] | clever: | my ccache is over at /media/mainlv/ccache/ |
| [21:38:50] | clever: | shared over nfs |
| [21:38:52] | iamlindoro__: | whatever |
| [21:39:05] | clever: | and rm'ing it would f the perms up |
| [21:39:16] | clever: | ccache -C would do |
| [21:39:23] | clever: | ../libmyth/mythcontext.h:22:2: error: #error You need Qt version >= 4.3.0 to compile MythTV. |
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| [21:40:14] | clever: | cheating a bit with make -j10 to let ccache race along |
| [21:40:14] | clever: | so some files are runing before version.cpp can crash it |
| [21:41:01] | kinneh: | hi all I've been reading http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/TV_Out but I really cant settle for a solution of my problem, I have no tv-out :-/ I got a shuttle with a wintv 150 but missed that I dont do output |
| [21:41:24] | directhex: | kinneh, best option? get a 42" lcd hdtv with VGA or HDMI input |
| [21:41:51] | kinneh: | so I've been thinking about a low-profile add-on PCI-E with a s-video out or composite out |
| [21:42:03] | Thomas-: | kinneh: ^^^^ what he said |
| [21:42:05] | kinneh: | directhex: well I'm nott changing the tv :-/ |
| [21:42:16] | Thomas-: | dvi/hdmi out to plasma/lcd tv |
| [21:42:22] | directhex: | hang on, which shuttle? i don't know of any shuttles that use low profile cards |
| [21:42:43] | kinneh: | no but the DVD/HD tray is in the way |
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| [21:42:57] | Thomas-: | don't most of the shuttles have a spdif(coax)/composit-video-out selectable (jumper on motherboard) |
| [21:42:59] | directhex: | huh? how? which model IS this? |
| [21:43:12] | directhex: | Thomas-, yeah, or can use that intel add-in board for extra connectors |
| [21:43:21] | kinneh: | SG33G6 Deluxe |
| [21:44:33] | directhex: | so intel onboard. i'm usre you can get tv out from that |
| [21:44:52] | kinneh: | usre? |
| [21:45:06] | kinneh: | ah sure |
| [21:45:07] | kinneh: | ok |
| [21:45:32] | Thomas-: | but it does have hdmi :) |
| [21:46:02] | directhex: | buying an HD-friendly model for an antique tv seems silly, but nevermind |
| [21:46:09] | kinneh: | well I have a hdmi 22" lcd but I want to also use the 28" tv |
| [21:46:18] | kinneh: | directhex: well |
| [21:46:59] | kinneh: | directhex: any link or so about that ad in card ? |
| [21:47:26] | Thomas-: | directhex: maybe a http://www.bizrate.com/audiovideocables_adapt . . . 0834504.html |
| [21:47:29] | Thomas-: | ? |
| [21:47:57] | directhex: | Thomas-, nah, unlikely |
| [21:48:06] | directhex: | maybe an nvidia is the only option, looking at it |
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| [21:48:15] | directhex: | but a low-profile bracket won't fit |
| [21:48:47] | directhex: | get a short card, sure (no idea why, a huge card ought to fit), but not one that's got a low profile bracket on it |
| [21:48:48] | kinneh: | well maybe I can get a full card in there but I dunno |
| [21:48:59] | directhex: | the wife's shuttle has an 8800gt |
| [21:49:17] | directhex: | which is hardly small |
| [21:49:18] | kinneh: | why wont http://www.bizrate.com/audiovideocables_adapt . . . 0834504.html work ? |
| [21:49:52] | directhex: | kinneh, it relies on doing evil things at the modeline end. things that would probably only work with powerstrip in windows |
| [21:50:14] | kinneh: | ok |
| [21:50:28] | directhex: | the description warns your card needs to support tv-out-over-vga, and i've never seen that in my life |
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| [21:50:43] | kinneh: | k thx |
| [21:51:37] | kinneh: | so ati or nvidia then ? |
| [21:51:46] | iamlindoro__: | you must be new here |
| [21:51:56] | directhex: | MOAR GREEN |
| [21:52:40] | directhex: | MOAR GREEEEEEN |
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| [21:52:53] | iamlindoro__: | conversely, LESS RED |
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| [22:01:34] | AndyCap: | kinneh: that's for a matrox card |
| [22:02:53] | directhex: | matwho? is this history class? |
| [22:03:31] | AndyCap: | well, the id10ts at eforcity failed it |
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| [22:05:00] | kinneh: | the wiki page really dont help me trying to pick a card, eve matrox is in there, makes me not belive the other too |
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| [22:07:44] | sid3windr: | what's wrong with matrox? :P |
| [22:08:00] | directhex: | they suck? |
| [22:08:19] | XLV (XLV!n=XLV@88.218.74.35) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [22:08:19] | sid3windr: | I had a G400 and it worked fine :) |
| [22:08:30] | directhex: | when? |
| [22:08:37] | sid3windr: | uhh |
| [22:08:46] | sid3windr: | in the days very expensive athlons ran at 800 mhz |
| [22:08:52] | sid3windr: | when was that? :P |
| [22:08:55] | sid3windr: | 8 years ago? |
| [22:08:56] | AndyCap: | I had a C64 and it kicked ass |
| [22:09:16] | AndyCap: | it even had built in tv-out |
| [22:09:20] | sid3windr: | :D |
| [22:09:26] | sid3windr: | do you still have it? |
| [22:09:31] | sid3windr: | can it run mythfrontend? |
| [22:09:32] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [22:09:40] | XLV: | ascii video |
| [22:09:42] | AndyCap: | stupid myth can't decode 1080p on it |
| [22:09:54] | sid3windr: | bah, mythtv must sucksx! |
| [22:09:55] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [22:10:05] | sid3windr: | mental note: stop putting smileys on separate lines |
| [22:14:58] | iamlindoro_: | add it to the wiki page... |
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| [22:15:29] | iamlindoro_: | "MythTV cannot even output 1080p on S3 cards! These cards are very well understood!" |
| [22:15:52] | AndyCap: | not even the VRAM using 9 series |
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| [22:17:19] | sid3windr: | mm s3 virge. |
| [22:18:19] | directhex: | s3 trio v64+ |
| [22:18:32] | XLV: | yeah.. i still have a s3 968 with the extra 2MB vram and mpeg1 decode unit ( or something like that ) that cost something like 500E back in 95, in use in a server |
| [22:18:38] | directhex: | a card that hauppauge specifically say is broken in the old wintv manuals, with a TSR VGA BIOS replacement |
| [22:18:46] | AndyCap: | Diamond speedstar 64 videovram |
| [22:18:55] | XLV: | AndyCap, that one |
| [22:19:09] | XLV: | it was made by diamond i remember |
| [22:19:19] | AndyCap: | nice card, the xfree driver was a little wild at times |
| [22:19:30] | XLV: | only runs console now |
| [22:19:57] | AndyCap: | but it had windows, linux and os/2 support so I was happy. |
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| [22:20:42] | XLV: | AndyCap, i still have the original package of os/2 warp.. some dozens floppies |
| [22:20:54] | XLV: | and infomagic releases of 95 |
| [22:21:25] | iamlindoro_: | Plus, you could have a bitchin Descent party with 'em |
| [22:21:50] | AndyCap: | hehe. hmm, I should check out the state of d2x |
| [22:25:05] | ** Deek still has OS/2 v2.1, 2.99 Betas 1 and 2, Warp 3 and 4, Warp Server, ... ** | |
| [22:25:41] | Deek: | Oh yeah, and Warp 4 beta. :) |
| [22:30:17] | AndyCap: | ok, let's not risk a restart of the trek discussion. |
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| [22:35:17] | Deek: | Oh, how OS/2 releases were all named after Trek? |
| [22:35:38] | Deek: | (until Merlin, that is) |
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| [22:38:37] | AndyCap: | http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/multimedia/video/avi/notnt15w.zip |
| [22:39:03] | AndyCap: | Deek: more like whats max warp speed |
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| [22:50:25] | justinh: | ponytail or sandals ? |
| [22:51:25] | iamlindoro: | either on a woman, neither on a man |
| [22:52:29] | minthome: | what's happeneing with MythVideo and mythweb? asking for a symlink to the coverart for videos, but i don't ahve any coverart for any videos... |
| [22:52:40] | minthome: | even if i did, i wouldn't know what format to put them |
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| [22:53:21] | justinh: | er.. jpeg |
| [22:53:32] | xris: | minthome: mythweb can download cover art for you |
| [22:53:34] | justinh: | or gif, or png.. hell even bmp if you get desperate! |
| [22:53:37] | xris: | as can mythvideo |
| [22:53:48] | minthome: | xris, from avi's? |
| [22:53:59] | justinh: | minthome: no, from the metadata such as title ;) |
| [22:54:10] | minthome: | oh... |
| [22:54:23] | xris: | looks them up at imdb |
| [22:54:48] | minthome: | ok, well regarding this symlink, there's not even a ~/.mythtv/MythVideo directory |
| [22:54:53] | xris: | mythvideo's been able to do it for ages. mythweb's video stuff (which I find easier than mythvideo's one-big-list approach) uses the same tools |
| [22:55:34] | minthome: | so should i create one? |
| [22:55:34] | xris: | I put my covers dir in my video share where it's easier to access from all of my machines. |
| [22:55:49] | xris: | rather than in a homedir |
| [22:56:04] | minthome: | ok, that's not a problem, mythweb is just complaining |
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| [22:57:03] | mikeones: | If I am recording a live show and it is set to record for 1 hour bu the show acctualy run 1hr 15 min, is there away to get myth to record the extra 15 min dynamicaly? |
| [22:57:32] | directhex: | mikeones, not unless it has some way of knowing about the change in scheduling. which it doesn't |
| [22:58:16] | xris: | mikeones: you could go in and adjust the recording schedule while it's still recording... but no way I know of for mythtv to know without you telling it. |
| [22:58:42] | directhex: | xris, isn't there some proprietary thing in analog tv to do it? PDC or somesuch? |
| [22:58:51] | mikeones: | thank directhex and xris |
| [22:59:05] | clever: | im starting to suspect i cant build trunk mythtv on ubuntu 6.06 |
| [22:59:10] | xris: | no clue, but I don't know if mythtv would acknowledge it. |
| [22:59:17] | directhex: | clever, why do you want to? |
| [22:59:19] | xris: | clever: qt4? |
| [22:59:29] | clever: | qt4 is installed but its not compiling right |
| [22:59:42] | clever: | the version.sh isnt reacting the same way as on my 7.10 system |
| [22:59:43] | directhex: | clever, and i think you're probably right. you can build 0.21 if you want |
| [22:59:46] | clever: | the quoting is diff |
| [22:59:57] | directhex: | you're sure it's using bash? |
| [23:00:09] | directhex: | check version.sh isn't marked #!/bin/sh |
| [23:00:19] | directhex: | since sh on ubuntu is dash, not bash |
| [23:00:26] | directhex: | which handles quoting differently |
| [23:00:27] | clever: | directhex: wont that posibly be downgrading the database though? |
| [23:00:27] | clever: | mythtv@theP4:/tmp/mythtv2$ ps |
| [23:00:27] | clever: | PID TTY TIME CMD |
| [23:00:27] | clever: | 5747 pts/8 00:00:02 bash |
| [23:00:43] | clever: | its actualy ignoring the #! line |
| [23:00:48] | clever: | the makefile forces it thru sh |
| [23:00:55] | directhex: | then it definitely uses dash |
| [23:00:59] | clever: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Jan 2 2007 /bin/sh -> bash |
| [23:01:06] | directhex: | you changed that |
| [23:01:17] | clever: | dash never appeared until 7.10 |
| [23:01:24] | clever: | 6.06 defaulted to bash |
| [23:01:30] | directhex: | sure it was sooner than that, i had lots of issues with icc |
| [23:01:40] | justinh: | directhex: PDC is used on some other software PVRs but with analogue going so Dodo-like I don't think there'd be any point |
| [23:01:48] | clever: | i only noticed i had dash when i was building ubuntu on my 7.10 system |
| [23:01:58] | clever: | and the actual problem was the build dir being mounted noexec |
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| [23:02:36] | clever: | but yes sh==Dash on the system that is working... |
| [23:02:42] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro: ping? |
| [23:02:48] | iamlindoro_: | mkrufky: pong |
| [23:02:57] | mkrufky: | did i already tell you about jacob, iamlindoro ? |
| [23:03:05] | ** mkrufky obsessed ** | |
| [23:03:08] | clever: | but the command going TO version.sh before 'sh' even gets it is diff |
| [23:03:11] | iamlindoro_: | aside from the Christian Shepherd thing? |
| [23:03:15] | iamlindoro_: | hehe |
| [23:03:18] | clever: | it feels like the qmake is handling things diff |
| [23:03:18] | mkrufky: | oh, ok i told you |
| [23:03:33] | mkrufky: | its been confirmed ... i went buck yesterday and told everybody in the office |
| [23:03:37] | iamlindoro_: | well I guessed and you confirmed :) |
| [23:03:44] | mkrufky: | and that episode airs in a few hours |
| [23:03:56] | iamlindoro_: | Erm, tonight is a rerun, right? |
| [23:04:04] | clever: | let me paste a few bits from the Makefile |
| [23:04:04] | mkrufky: | yes and no |
| [23:04:15] | iamlindoro_: | oh, the "enhanced" version |
| [23:04:21] | mkrufky: | its an episode that we saw, but never before seen with the annoying popups |
| [23:04:45] | mkrufky: | ...and i am very curious to see what they say about certain things.... such as.... "Are they still alive?" |
| [23:04:50] | clever: | sh /tmp/mythtv2/version.sh \"/tmp/mythtv2\" \"": http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv/version.pro "\" |
| [23:04:54] | mkrufky: | and... "I'm thinking of growing a beard" |
| [23:05:14] | clever: | sh /media/mainlv/sharedbuilds/7.10/mythtv/version.sh "/media/mainlv/sharedbuilds/7.10/mythtv" ": http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv/version.pro " |
| [23:05:23] | clever: | the actual Makefile made by qmake differs |
| [23:05:30] | clever: | BEFORE sh/bash/dash get into things |
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| [23:05:37] | iamlindoro_: | mkrufky: Just activated it on my system, guess I will re-watch |
| [23:05:42] | mkrufky: | :-) ok |
| [23:05:56] | clever: | the problems seems to be how the quotes in version.pro are handled |
| [23:08:33] | clever: | i'll just run the 7.10 build under chroot for now |
| [23:08:58] | justinh: | hahaha "nuts tv to centre on four genres".. yeah. Scantily clad models offering sage relationship advice to teenage lads. Behind the scenes at their mag photoshoots, featuring models in their scanties. Extreme (have to be a nutter to partake) games and um... wth more scantily clad models. bingo! |
| [23:09:02] | clever: | ive allready got a 7.10 root on the 6.06 box |
| [23:11:36] | directhex: | why? |
| [23:11:44] | directhex: | why are you doing all this svn building on old distros? |
| [23:11:52] | clever: | the 6.06 is my master |
| [23:12:00] | directhex: | 6.06 is a lie |
| [23:12:19] | clever: | everything else is 7.10 |
| [23:12:20] | clever: | i just havent gotten arround to upgrading the 6.06 |
| [23:12:33] | clever: | DISTRIB_RELEASE=6.06 |
| [23:12:33] | clever: | DISTRIB_CODENAME=dapper |
| [23:12:33] | clever: | DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 6.06.2 LTS" |
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| [23:18:51] | clever: | there |
| [23:18:59] | clever: | old build of mythtv now working from chroot |
| [23:20:04] | clever: | minor problem |
| [23:20:12] | clever: | Error: API mismatch: this NVIDIA driver component has version |
| [23:20:15] | clever: | 100.14.19, but the NVIDIA kernel module's version does not match. |
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| [23:20:35] | clever: | i'll find a way arround it eventual |
| [23:20:36] | clever: | y |
| [23:20:40] | justinh: | oh yes. we have a winner! |
| [23:21:21] | ** Thomas- just tried the windows mythtv player.. works really nice ** | |
| [23:21:40] | sid3windr: | windows mythtv player? |
| [23:21:50] | Thomas-: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Windows_ . . . ythTv_Player |
| [23:22:05] | directhex: | sid3windr, it's a very simple player app for windows, for girlpants who don't want to compile a proper frontend |
| [23:22:17] | Thomas-: | directhex: behave |
| [23:22:20] | sid3windr: | ah |
| [23:22:22] | sid3windr: | watching recordings |
| [23:22:26] | sid3windr: | nevermind then ;) |
| [23:22:30] | directhex: | and livetv, with 0.5.0 |
| [23:22:46] | sid3windr: | aha! |
| [23:22:50] | sid3windr: | now it gets interesting :> |
| [23:23:17] | sid3windr: | I was writing my own livetv frontend :] |
| [23:23:24] | sid3windr: | though I stopped a year ago, I was just resuming it |
| [23:23:52] | sid3windr: | not open source? :/ |
| [23:24:01] | sid3windr: | ah, there is :) |
| [23:24:03] | sid3windr: | great, thanks! |
| [23:24:18] | justinh: | I've thought of this really cool new thing. it's round & you'll be able to put it on transport to make things move nice & smoothly. I think I'll call it The Wheel :D |
| [23:24:18] | directhex: | https://mythtvplayer.svn.sourceforge.net/svnr . . . player/trunk |
| [23:24:36] | directhex: | justinh, i agree. windows users should use mythfrontend, not reinvent apps! |
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| [23:24:49] | sid3windr: | justinh: ehh, a year ago there was no frontend/player for windows for livetv |
| [23:25:06] | justinh: | so? |
| [23:25:16] | sid3windr: | so why do you call it reinventing the wheel then? |
| [23:25:18] | sid3windr: | a very very weird guy called "juski" told me that, glad he's gone :> |
| [23:25:24] | justinh: | mythtv works on linux., just install linux :P |
| [23:25:40] | directhex: | why reinvent unix, when there's sco unixware available? |
| [23:25:42] | sid3windr: | alas, I'm not compatible with linux on this pc :] |
| [23:26:18] | justinh: | sid3windr: I'm only joshing :) Besides I couldn't stand linux as an everyday desktop OS either |
| [23:26:22] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [23:26:41] | sid3windr: | I use it at work desktop, but not for home desktop :) |
| [23:26:46] | sid3windr: | aaanyway, this is interesting development |
| [23:26:50] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [23:26:52] | sid3windr: | thanks for the links |
| [23:26:55] | directhex: | i feel constrained every time i use windows on the desktop |
| [23:26:59] | directhex: | not as bad as osx, mind |
| [23:27:12] | Thomas-: | I'll try the mythtvfrontend on windows next... (I do want livetv also) |
| [23:27:23] | justinh: | in my lunchybreak at work today I tried using inkscape to reproduce the mockups I did at home last night. Oh dear oh dear |
| [23:27:39] | justinh: | better off editing the xml by hand if you need precise sizing & placement |
| [23:28:12] | sid3windr: | :] |
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| [23:33:06] | minthome: | xris, you said you just save the coverart to video_covers and forget about the symlink? where can i specify to save the coverart to there instead of my ~? |
| [23:33:22] | xris: | it still needs the symlink |
| [23:33:28] | xris: | otherwise apache can't see them |
| [23:33:35] | minthome: | o |
| [23:33:53] | xris: | but you can just change the cover art dir (I think in mythvideo) and point the symlink there |
| [23:34:03] | xris: | for me it's /pub/video/.video_covers |
| [23:34:16] | minthome: | well, i've created the symlink, chmod'd it accordingly, but i'm getting open_basedir restriction in effect. File(data/video) is not within .... |
| [23:34:33] | minthome: | and if I add the damn dir to my php.ini it's still not picking it up |
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| [23:35:22] | minthome: | can you show me your output of grep open_basedir `locate php.ini` |
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| [23:56:43] | xris: | minthome: it's commented out... |
| [23:57:01] | minthome: | yeah, i did the same with mine... still isn't working |
| [23:57:20] | minthome: | but i'm blaming that on my bad practice of running myth as root |
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| [23:59:51] | minthome: | is there other issues regarding mythweb with the 0.21-fixes? |
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