Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, March 25th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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wagner:

xris: im going to be using mod_proxy, im just not going to try to deal with rewriting the absolute links created by mythweb

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xris:

wagner: sounds good

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squish102:

what piece of hardware should i target to help with HD playback, cpu, video card or memory? current setup FE/BE amd 64 3500+, onboard nvidia 6150 using nvidia driver, 1 gig

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wagner:

my original question was how to get the rewriting working, but this lets me avoid it all together

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wagner:

does the AVIVO/PureVideo graphics acceleration work under linux?

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wagner:

i realize that the 6150 doesnt have either of those, but just for reference...

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iamlindoro:

no, it does not

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wagner:

i have a 939 3200+ that runs 1080i fine at 640x480

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wagner:

its not currently hooked up to a HDTV, so i dont know how it handles higher output resolutions

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wagner:

thats with a discrete GF6200 and nvidia drivers

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timo:

Any one know if there's any work being done to the mythtv gui. I would really like to make a great theme for mythtv, but with the way things are it just wont be worth it :'(

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squish102:

mine stutters for awhile and then clears out after a couple minutes :(

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squish102:

do sata drives need hdparms set?

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squish102:

or is that an old ide only drive

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timo:

I believe sata drives don't need adjusting in that way ?

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wagner:

anyone know of an easy HTML proxy?

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wagner:

so i can see what mythweb looks like from outside my network

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xris:

Tor?

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wagner:

my laptop is set up to use tor, but its packed away

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wagner:

i was hoping there was just some website that would show me what my site looked like from their end

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NightMonkey:

wagner: http://www.xroxy.com/proxylist.htm

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NightMonkey:

wagner: Set your browser to use a proxy. Caveat emptor – you never know if a proxy is "good" or "bad"...

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NightMonkey:

wagner: You should set up http auth, of course.

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wagner:

i was thinking it would be better to turn off http auth while testing

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wagner:

so the proxy could not grab my login

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wagner:

no matter, my laptop is already booted up

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NightMonkey:

wagner: Well, you can change the login/password after you test.

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wagner:

ok... it works, next task

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wagner:

has anyone managed to get 0.21 running on freebsd?

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territory:

after the .21 update, my osd th emes are gone, anywaay to quickly reinstall them?

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wagner:

territory: easiest way would probably be to just copy them back into where you did the last time

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wagner:

just grab the theme, untar, and copy

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territory:

where do theyg et copied

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territory:

i didnt do it alst time

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territory:

they were part of mythbuntu

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wagner:

im assuming your package manager whiped out the previous install when you upgraded

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territory:

yea

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wagner:

should just be /usr/share/mythtv/themes

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territory:

i gues i'l play around

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nordle:

Howdy, anyone noticed mythweb issue under Backend Status page? Shows "22200000% complete" under transcode of recording under Job Queue. 0.21 .

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wagner:

is it a mythweb issue, or a backend issue?

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nordle:

not a biggy, but its nice to see how long you have to wait for it to complete when its running.

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wagner:

mythweb should just grab that page directly from the webserver on the backend

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nordle:

mmmm I assumed mythweb, maybe not.

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xris:

nordle: that page comes straight from the backend. mythweb just proxies it

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territory:

any idea why mythfilldatabase --file 4 -1 ./xmltv.xml wont work after the update

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wagner:

go to http://<backendip>:6544/

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Agrajag-:

territory: i think you don't need the -1 there anymore

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nordle:

xris: ohh, ok. looks like something somwhere hasn't quite managed to multpliy/divide bytes and minutes :)

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majost:

was there a compile issue with mythmusic in trunk r16738?

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nordle:

territory: I dont think you need the -1 bit now.

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nordle:

Also, mythweb, the icon top left, looks like a TV. Points to http://mythtv/mythweb/tv, but IIRC it used to point to http://mythtv/mythweb/tv/listings.

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wagner:

well that still goes to the listings

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xris:

nordle: odd. it *should* point to mythweb/ which goes to the main menu

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wagner:

the mythtv icon goes to the main menu, the tv icon goes to listings

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wagner:

err.. no, now it goes to upcoming recordings

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wagner:

that changed

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wagner:

youre right

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mjj29:

so, how are the links within the pages on mythweb meant to work?

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mjj29:

for images/css

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xris:

wagner: it might be going to the last tv-page you visited

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mjj29:

on mine, it links to something like "skin/default/images/foo.png"

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mjj29:

which is fine when the URL is at the top

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mjj29:

but when you have a URL like: tv/listings

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mjj29:

the browser tries to load tv/skin/default/images/foo.png

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mjj29:

which is clearly wrong

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nordle:

xris: you are right, its points to tv, ie the root pretty much. so the last page you were at.

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xris:

nordle: I have a tendency to program apps to do that, so it was a pretty safe bet when my memory failed me as to the actual function.

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nordle:

xris: ahhh, your handy work :) We'll, let me be the 000's person to say its frickin brilliant!

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xris:

:)

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xris:

me and a lot of help from kormoc recently..

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nordle:

yeah but he/she is not around, so you can take all the glory.

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mjj29:

xris: do you know how the css/image links should work?

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nordle:

mmmm. My transcode has, apparently, taken 600MB file and turned it into 850MB, that's never happened before.

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xris:

mjj29: what do you mean?

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xris:

nordle: corrupt data can do that sometimes

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xris:

freaks out the encoder

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mjj29:

xris: when I go to http://myth/tv/listing it doesn't load the CSS or images

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xris:

it's tv/list

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xris:

but do you get any errors?

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mjj29:

specifically:

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xris:

what's the URL to the css and/or image files?

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xris:

(just pick one)

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mjj29:

http://myth.matthew.ath.cx/tv/status is rewritten to be a parameter to the php file

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mjj29:

this contains:

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nordle:

Just thought I'd check the log to see if it mentioned anything, and it had "Expiring 101 MBytes for 1502 @ Sat Nov 18 16:15:00 2006 => Monk "Mr Monk and Mrs Monk"" WTF was I watching :)

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mjj29:

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mjj29:

which will be interpreted by the browser as http://myth.matthew.ath.cx/tv/./skins/default//header.css

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mjj29:

I am using lighty, not apache, which I know is officially unsupported, but my config looks like it should do everything it needs to

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mjj29:

hmm, although, having said that

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mjj29:

I looks now I investigate in more detail that it's always getting the same page

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xris:

weird. it shouldn't be picking up a ./ in there

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mjj29:

as if it thinks it's just at http://myth.matthew.ath.cx/tv

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xris:

oh, I know there are issues with env var capitalization in lighttpd

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xris:

and the ./ stuff might come from env vars.

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mjj29:

xris: how should it deal with this?

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mjj29:

IE, should it use <base href>, start with /, or change dynamically to ../ as appropriate?

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mjj29:

or do some even crazier rewriting magic?

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mjj29:

(I think it must do one of these)

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xris:

it should figure out the URL automatically based on some optional env vars

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xris:

but I can't think off hand what it would take to fix them

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xris:

and still need to think about work stuff for now.

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mjj29:

sure, I've a few things to play with, since it seems to be a different problem than I originally thought

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mjj29:

xris: can you paste the <link rel> line from a working copy when viewing tv/status or similar page?

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xris:

href="/skins/default//style.css"

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mjj29:

right, /

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mjj29:

cool (-:

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mjj29:

I'll use that to try and work out what the problem is

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mjj29:

thanks

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territory:

in recording schedules, what does timestretch do?

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xris:

adjusts the default playback timestretch for files recorded under that schedule

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territory:

is tehre anyway to turn to a channel a minute or so early, but stil record at the correct time

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wagner:

territory: so that the tuner locks on with plenty of time left?

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territory:

mainly because fireyea

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territory:

firewire takes a while to load channel

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territory:

and i dont want to have it record the channel switching too

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territory:

like it normally would

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wagner:

ive not heard of such capability, but its a good feature request

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territory:

yea

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territory:

because without it, u have glitches in ur videos

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territory:

if one channel is 720p and another is 1080i

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territory:

different resolutions, causes things to mess up

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territory:

especially with mytharchive

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wagner:

it would be even better if it kept track of how long it took to lock a channel

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wagner:

and would add the time into the schedule automatically

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territory:

altho in the new myth i notice it says when its locked now

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territory:

says partial lock, then lock when its got it

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territory:

so mayb now it wont start recording til its locked

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territory:

actually id be surprised if it didnt start recording til its locked, mayb all i need is to set a 1 min start b4 time

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territory:

i just got my firewire working with the new update today so none of my scheduled recordings have ran yet

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TelnetManta:

Anyone know of a way to "lock" certian play groups?

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TelnetManta:

or any parental controls?

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xris:

TelnetManta: using the parental controls built into mythtv....

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TelnetManta:

xris: LOL, I thought that might be a dumb question. I'm looking for documentation on parental controls now.

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xris:

should be in the wiki and/or the official docs

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TelnetManta:

cant find it

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xris:

I've never actually used it. just know that people complain because I haven't updated mythweb to support it

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TelnetManta:

ah, I LOVE mythweb btw. awesome jo

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TelnetManta:

job

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xris:

:)

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timo:

great job bro

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territory:

anyway to fix the stream default port

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territory:

it keeps trying to use 80, even when i try and force a port in mythweb

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territory:

port 80 logs into my router

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xris:

look in mythweb settings.

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xris:

afk

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territory:

already did

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territory:

changing the port there did nothing

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territory:

im guessin stil experimental

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iamlindoro:

What clued you in, the huge disclaimer you have to go past where is screams in capital red letters about it being experimental?

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** PatrickDK boots everyone in the channel to save iamlindoro's sanity **

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iamlindoro_:

Hehe

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iamlindoro_:

Naw, it's ok, someday I'll just show up with a tire iron and a wild glint in my eye

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PatrickDK:

why after I respond to someone 3 times, I get nasty

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iamlindoro_:

And the first person to say "LIRC" gits it

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PatrickDK:

heh, I have a lirc question :)

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PatrickDK:

but it looks like I am going leave it up to experementation to solve though

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iamlindoro_:

Then there are the people who direct questions at me, and I respond, and I see them repeat the same question 10–20 minutes later

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PatrickDK:

nothing makes me more happy then when you go to answer someone, and the disconnect/rejoin

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PatrickDK:

and it keeps repeating every 2 min

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PatrickDK:

cause they can't configure their firewall correctly

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rcrit:

I have a PVR-250 now and it works great. I want to add another tuner and am consider a 350 or 500.

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rcrit:

Any reason not to just go with the 500 (like $10 more) and get 2 more tuners?

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rcrit:

my 250 has a working IR remote, can that remote control the tuners on the 500 as well?

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iamlindoro_:

If the only choice is between the 350 and the 500, then you *should* get the 500 as the 350 is on its way out

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iamlindoro_:

and yes, since the remote/IR receiver doesn't directly control the tuners at all (they are controlled by myth) it would work fine for any and all tuners in your system

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rcrit:

well, I suppose there are other choices but the 250 works so well I figured I'd stick with Hau*

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iamlindoro_:

Hauppauge is fine, but the 250 and 350 are gradually on their way out-- 150s and 500s are fine

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rcrit:

ok, I think I'll go with the 500 then and stay ahead of the game. Sooner or later 2 tuners won't be enough either :-)

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rcrit:

thanks

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iamlindoro_:

np

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Turno:

can anyone give me any suggestions where best this would go on the wiki... i searched for it all day before realizing it was safely in a backup

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Turno:

on some distributions, like ubuntu using the standard restricted nvidia drivers, there is a 'blank monitor' type of screensaver that you have to disable in xorg.conf using

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Turno:

a section "Server Flags"

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Turno:

with things like Option "BlankTime" 0

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Anduin:

Turno: Such things should be unnecessary, DPMS, xscreensaver, and gnome screensaver should all be disabled at appropriate times (external apps not covered)

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Anduin:

er should not

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Turno:

unfortunately, maybe its tv out specific then, cause every time I do a fresh install I have to set this manually

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Turno:

right now my screen is blank

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Turno:

if I hooked a keyboard up to it, it would come back immediately

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Turno:

after I hit a key

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Anduin:

Turno: check the logs, you should see a message where it disables DPMS

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Turno:

for some reason, even at the desktop, vnc won't affect this

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Turno:

2008-03–24 10:17:08.970 DPMS Deactivated

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sinthetek:

anyone know offhand where to set the path programs are saved at (or how to resolve this error: File not found: '/home/mythtv1123_20080324223000.mpg')?

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Turno:

maybe its my hardware, but there do seem to be circumstances where this setting needs to be set

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Turno:

is that a direct copy/paste?

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Turno:

looks like you're missing a forward slash

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sinthetek:

Turno: yeah, it's a direct paste of the error

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Turno:

the path, i think...

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Turno:

you can get there i think if you run mythtv-setup

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Turno:

err

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Turno:

maybe not

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sinthetek:

i looked in there but it may be in a section i didn't check..

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sinthetek:

i looked in two most probable and in some of the regular mythfrontend setup places

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sinthetek:

i seem to recall a note on the setting to omit the last forwardslash which may have changed since my last upgrade

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Turno:

to set the directory to hold recordings

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Turno:

run mythtv-setup

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Turno:

its page 2 under option 1, general

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iamlindoro_:

unless you're running .21

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sinthetek:

not in mine :(. that is locale settings...

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iamlindoro_:

Mythtv-setup, Storage Groups, last option (6 I believe)

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sinthetek:

0.21_p16658

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sinthetek:

awesome, thanks

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sinthetek:

wow, 'storage directories'. who'd'vethunkit? my b...

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Turno:

*sigh*

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sinthetek:

dunno how i missed that one

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Turno:

i've been screwed by ubuntu's packages ;)

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Turno:

looks like i need to enable backports

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Turno:

and i *just* got everything the way i wanted it

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territory:

mythtv cant play files inside rars can it

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territory:

like good old xbox media mcenter

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iamlindoro_:

No. Because movies inside of RARs are for YARRRRRRRR pirates

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territory:

no

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iamlindoro_:

yes

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territory:

no

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iamlindoro_:

Because there is *no* reason for an individual user to have movies in RARs

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iamlindoro_:

as you save no space whatsoever by doing it

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territory:

gota fgiure an easy way to unrar files remotely then ;/

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iamlindoro_:

See? YARRRRRRRR

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Turno:

the only legitimate reason i could come up with is people using the internet to get copies of movies they already own, as opposed to ripping it themselves

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anenigma:

territory: just use unrar remotely.

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territory:

im not familiar with any unrar tools for linux

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Turno:

and although ripping dvds is a bitch, i like the control

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territory:

im sure i can find osmething

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iamlindoro_:

Turno: It'd still be illegal even if that were the case

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Turno:

territory: sudo apt-get install unrar

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Turno:

iamlindoro: but morally gray

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territory:

thnx i'l try it out

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Turno:

i pay more attention to morals than laws ;)

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territory:

what would happen if i go into the share folder in windoze, and right clicked and unrared with winrar

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territory:

would it be doing to much work on my computer heh

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Turno:

yes, you'll wear holes in the elbows that way

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territory:

i knew it

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anenigma:

it'll copy the rar file over the network, unrar it locally, and copy the files back

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anenigma:

it's easier to just 'unrar x file.rar'

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Turno:

easier is a subjective term

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Turno:

for my girlfriend, right clicking on the windows machine is 'easier'

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anenigma:

i meant easier for the computer/network. as in the copying stuff across networks is redundant

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floppyears:

hi guys

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floppyears:

$storagegroup->FindRecordingDir($basename) gives me '/mnt/mythtv/', but

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floppyears:

how can I figure out the directory within /mnt/mythtv/ where my recordings are stored ?

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floppyears:

I'm using mythtv 0.21

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Turno:

Mythtv-setup, Storage Groups, last option (6 I believe)

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iamlindoro_:

sounds familiar.

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iamlindoro_:

could have at *least* cut and pasted the originator of the quote...

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Turno:

haha, but its factual data

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iamlindoro_:

Perhaps it would bear quoting the few lines before it, too...

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floppyears:

Turno: what ?

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Turno:

iamlindoro suggests the setting you're looking for...

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Turno:

is in mythtv-setup

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Turno:

under storage groups, and then maybe the last option?

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iamlindoro_:

Storage groups, which *is* the last option in mythtv-setup

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Turno:

i just installed .21 about 2 minutes ago so i'm going through it myself right now

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iamlindoro_:

from there it ought to be self-explanatory

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floppyears:

thanks

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iamlindoro_:

yarp

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Turno:

i just establshed that the packaged upgrade broke... everything

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Turno:

but thats the fun part

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Turno:

so how can i successfully wipe out my mythconverg and start anew?

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Turno:

it doesn't seem to like something in my old db since upgrading to .21 and its preventing me from watching live tv

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iamlindoro_:

Documentation section 23

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Turno:

thanks

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jaek:

so... all i want is a TV app for my desktop that has a tv guide and shows me info on the current playing program... is mythtv my only option?

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tank-man:

no

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tank-man:

if you just want live tv, there are many apps to use

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tank-man:

program guide can be viewed in web browser

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jaek:

xawtv and tvtime doesnt have a guide

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jaek:

zapping doesnt even work

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jaek:

anything i missed to test?

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tank-man:

program guide can be viewed in web browser at a site like zap2it

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Turno:

tank-man, i think he wants an application that displays tv and has a program guide built in

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tank-man:

then yes, mythtv can do that

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jaek:

i did an apt-get install mythtv and it wants to install 181mb worth of additional stuff... kinda hefty

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tank-man:

if 181mb is too much, then mythtv is definatly not for you

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jaek:

considering i'm not going to be running it all the time, i guess not

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jaek:

i do have an extra box here i could use for just tv tho... hmm

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wagner:

is this actually on a tv, or do you just want a program for your computer?

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wagner:

what OS?

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jaek:

just on my computer

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jaek:

ubuntu

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iamlindoro_:

kaffeine is another option to try if all you want is TV

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iamlindoro_:

MythTV for your purpose would be not unlike swatting a fly with an elephant gun

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wagner:

tvtime can grab xmltv data, i dont know if its capable of schedulesdirect

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jaek:

it depends on xmltv so...

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jaek:

but i cant get audio to work with tvtime, it seems to not unmute my bt878

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jaek:

also it doesnt have a guide, it only shows data about the current program

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jaek:

pssh i'll stick with xawtv + firefox for now i guess

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wagner:

kaffeine isnt really option for ubuntu

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wagner:

i dont know if totem (gnome's counterpart) will play off capture cards

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jaek:

even if it does, it wouldnt know about scheduling

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wagner:

mplayer has no issue doing so, but i dont think it has any capability to change channels

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iamlindoro_:

wagner: kaffeine will work fine in ubuntu

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wagner:

it will work fine, but you have to install a shitload of packages to get it running

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iamlindoro_:

So how is that not an option?

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jaek:

yeah i dont want to have 200mb of kde libs just to run one program

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wagner:

i suppose its not... i just have an aversion to kaffeine

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wagner:

i dont think ive seen a single program with tv viewing, and schedule viewing, that isnt a full fledged pvr

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jaek:

i mean just a tv guide

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wagner:

right, usually the only reason the program would have such a thing is for an internal scheduler to record video

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jaek:

tvtime is also super cpu intensive

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wagner:

poorly written video scalers?

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jaek:

no, it has a few deinterlacer options, and i just dont want one

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jaek:

xawtv uses close to 0% of my cpu, and tvtime uses around 50%

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jaek:

it does look nice tho...

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wagner:

i mean what is it doing that it needs any amount of cpu

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wagner:

deinterlacing shouldnt take much power either

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jaek:

hmm i think it is just the deinterlacing

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jaek:

too bad i cant get any sound of of tvtime

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chopp:

I realize this card is not supported, but..does anyone have any experiance with the cx18 driver for an hauppauge hvr-1600 tv card?

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mcquaid:

i have a ati card, that has borked xv colours (in all players) but has an option called textured video that gives an alternate xv output. is there a way to indicate a different xv output?

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VanessaE:

I'm having a quality issue I didn't notice until a bit earlier this evening – faint vertical banding. RTjpeg is definitely being used, quality 255. No filters or de-interlacing.

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VanessaE:

my google-fu is rusty, so I've found no answers that way yet.

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VanessaE:

(myth0.20.2-p15634)

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VanessaE:

oh, and I don't mean jpeg/mpeg macro blocks, this looks more like someone scaled the video down to about 80x480 and scaled it back up, then added the result to the original video.

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VanessaE:

playing the video files back with e.g. mplayer shows the same effect

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chopp:

I'm dealing with an hauppauge hvr-1600. For kernel modules, do I set that up with the same requirments as the ivtv driver, except using the cx18 driver?

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Dagmar:

chopp: The answer about that card hasn't changed in months, it's not going to change in one day

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Dagmar:

Like I said yesterday, if you think that card works, then _email the people who are claiming they have it working_ and ask them what they did

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chopp:

ok Dagmar. I registered on the ivtv-users mailing list tonight. I'll post there when it will allow. It is just driving me nut's, because it has worked for others.

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chopp:

it would help also if there were more than five people in #ivtv-dev :)

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VanessaE:

I'm having a weird problem.. videos recorded from a v4l device (e.g. NTSC TV) have these faint vertical bands

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VanessaE:

not macro blocks, more like looking at the video through a wall composed of very tall, very narrow glass blocks

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jaek:

hmm can mythtv use sqlite instead of mysql? i dont want to run mythtv (or any dependent programs) all the time...

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jaek:

nvm FAQ shows me that the devs were short sighted and didnt implement the database backend with a database independent API

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VanessaE:

Ok, just confirmed that the problem I am having is strictly an RTjpeg issue at the recording step.

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VanessaE:

(mpeg4 recordings look fine)

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nomopofomo:

How do I configure mythtv's UPnP?

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hnitsuj:

uh-oh. somebody angling to put 'reflections' in libmythui code. by the time they're in there, mirror effects will be old hat. Oh, wait they already are

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VanessaE:

heh

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nomopofomo:

:O

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nomopofomo:

I can't figure out how to enable or configure UPnP in MythTV. Can anyone help?

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hnitsuj:

enable it? it comes enabled by default

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hnitsuj:

if you don't want it running you actively have to _dis_ able it

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VanessaE:

I don't normally repeat myself, but I have a question regarding the rtjpeg codec in mythtv...

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hnitsuj:

the issue you have is probably more that whatever upnp device you have, it can't talk to mythtv's upnp server – once again highlighting how 'universal' in 'upnp' actually means 'a universe of incompatible equipment'

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hnitsuj:

VanessaE: framegrabbers suck. do you not have enough CPU for the mpeg4 codec?

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VanessaE:

I have.

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VanessaE:

in fact I've switched to it to avoid the problem with rtjpeg.

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hnitsuj:

and?

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VanessaE:

just not happy with the resultant CPU load, since it is also my main box (e.g. not a dedicated stb)

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nomopofomo:

Hm, so where do I put files I want streamed?

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hnitsuj:

nomopofomo: your recordings will appear as you'd expect – videos & music are served from wherever they're stored for mythtv

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VanessaE:

here's the question though: is it normal for there to be fuzzy vertical 'stripe' artifacts in the video?

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nomopofomo:

hnitsuj, So that would be in the recording folder?

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VanessaE:

(about 8 or so pixels wide, similar in nature to a macro block, but without the hard top/bottom edges)

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hnitsuj:

VanessaE: that's the problem with framegrabbing & software encoding :) get a pvr150 or a digital TV tuner – no CPU load during recording – well I mean as little as can be neglected ;)

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VanessaE:

heh

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VanessaE:

this card is a dual-mode ATSC/NTSC thing

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VanessaE:

just don't have ATSC working yet.

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hnitsuj:

oo expensive framegrabber

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VanessaE:

not really

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VanessaE:

$50 from newegg

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hnitsuj:

it is, by framegrabber standards ;)

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VanessaE:

heh

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VanessaE:

the small size of it makes my old bt848 card look like something out of the 80's.

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hnitsuj:

ahem

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hnitsuj:

they ARE something out of the 1980s, bt848 based cards :P

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VanessaE:

hahah

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hnitsuj:

do you have a screenshot of the strange artifacts?

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VanessaE:

1996 actually. heh

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VanessaE:

hang on, I might be able to exact a frame or two, I never deleted the recordings showing them.

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hnitsuj:

ahh the 1990s.. when live tv still ruled

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VanessaE:

this may take a while :)

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hnitsuj:

when dinosoars still walked the Earth and before any UIs had smooth scrolling

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VanessaE:

haha

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hnitsuj:

certainly pre-dated reflections too :P

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hnitsuj:

starting to get glass-wide in some kind of state where it'll work with 0.21 so I can use it when I upgrade, but finding it looks shit

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VanessaE:

I'm partial to the "mythcenter" theme myself :)

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hnitsuj:

blech

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hnitsuj:

I've still yet to see (or make) a theme I *really* like

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VanessaE:

hrm

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VanessaE:

still trying to find a video that shows the artifact

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hnitsuj:

"hmmm, see how the images are all presented at an oblique angle and reflected on a shiny surface. It

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hnitsuj:

It's certainly from before 2008, possibly even before 2006"

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VanessaE:

ah

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Raspberry:

I have two problems :) 1] HD playback is choppy in 0.21 ... it was fine for the last 9 months in 0.20... and my second more "major" issue... for some reason mythtv won't play back some new AVI files using MythVideo ... I can play back the video as a user on the system but when I try to play back video when running mythtv, it won't play back ... using mplayer or xine or vlc

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VanessaE:

found it

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VanessaE:

where shall I upload the image?

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VanessaE:

bah

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VanessaE:

ah there you are

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nomopofomo:

Where's the configuration dialogue for adding your music and video files?

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VanessaE:

dunno, I've not gotten that far yet :)

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justinh:

right

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VanessaE:

art thou having issues? :)

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justinh:

issues with dickheads asking me questions in PMs

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VanessaE:

ah

[08:47:02]

VanessaE:

well, I grabbed the screenshot you asked for

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justinh:

ah cool

[08:47:14]

VanessaE:

though the effect is a lot more prevalent when you actually play the video.

[08:47:19]

VanessaE:

Where shall I put it?

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justinh:

imageshack.us or somewhere for temp. image hosting

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VanessaE:

ok

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VanessaE:

eh, I'll use my flickr account instead..

[08:49:58]

VanessaE:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/vanessaezekowitz/2360072935/

[08:50:08]

VanessaE:

look at his lapel

[08:50:27]

VanessaE:

you can see the usual jpeg noise, but you can also see the hazy 'column' effect that probably shouldn't be there

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justinh:

I think the diagonal noise is making things worse

[08:51:39]

VanessaE:

it is.

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justinh:

how do you guys put up with video quality like that?

[08:52:12]

VanessaE:

took me a few tries to settle on good settings in mpeg4 mode

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VanessaE:

most americans probably have cable tv or so

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nomopofomo:

justinh, why don't you take a chill pill, bro.

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justinh:

I've seen grabs from cable which look worse

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VanessaE:

nomopofomo: no, he's right – the US NTSC video system is shite.

[08:53:24]

nomopofomo:

VanessaE, Hm? o_O

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nomopofomo:

He was talking about me.

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nomopofomo:

"dickheads"

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VanessaE:

oh

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nomopofomo:

I asked him a question

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nomopofomo:

One question.

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nomopofomo:

His answer was "fuck off!"

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nomopofomo:

I'll change my name to a girl's name. that will fix it.

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VanessaE:

ok that's about enough.

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nomopofomo:

I can't seem to get this UPnP thing working...

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justinh:

dunno why he's taking it so personally. I say that to everybody who asks questions in private messages

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nomopofomo:

You called me a dickhead too.

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justinh:

I'm not here for your personal benefit, mate

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VanessaE:

justinh: what I'd like to see is some kind of outright 'raw' mode like huffyuv – it eats space *fast* but it's also fast to record and its lossless :)

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VanessaE:

er, fast to record = very little cpu

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justinh:

nomopofomo: not by name I didn't

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justinh:

anyway I can't see the artifact & the video Q looks less than perfect anyway so not something I'd be worried about. FWIW I'd be concentrating on getting ATSC working instead :)

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VanessaE:

ATSC will be a while – the driver that supports this card is still being worked on.

[08:57:58]

VanessaE:

Only a couple of days ago did the author get analog tv working :)

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justinh:

as far as using other video codecs with mythtv goes – you can't. you get RTJPEG or MPEG4 and that's it. I remember there being talk about using other codecs for software encoding a while back but so far that's come to nothing yet

[08:59:06]

VanessaE:

as for the bug, take a look at the edge of the lapel on the right, along the line where the white of his shirt meets it

[08:59:40]

VanessaE:

then look a few pixels to the right of it for a 'starstep' effect

[09:00:44]

VanessaE:

hm..come to think of it, it is kinda hard so see even here.

[09:01:48]

justinh:

there are interlacing artifacts there, for sure

[09:02:13]

VanessaE:

yep

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VanessaE:

I'll deal with those later

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justinh:

looks like jpeg artifacts to the extreme IMHO

[09:02:53]

VanessaE:

yep

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VanessaE:

and I had the quality all the way up

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justinh:

the noise isn't helping a bit

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justinh:

also looks like the driver guy needs to balance the video decoder settings a little too – luminance is a bit bleached out

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VanessaE:

yeah

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VanessaE:

that's partly my fault

[09:04:41]

VanessaE:

cx88xx lacks auto-balance code

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justinh:

heh

[09:05:05]

VanessaE:

in fact someone *just* submitted patches for chroma AGC a few days ago.

[09:05:08]

VanessaE:

hope they make it in.

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justinh:

anyway, since miladdo has calmed down now... the place where you set where video & music are stored is... in utils/setup > media settings > video (or music) settings. amazing!

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justinh:

I've never looked at RTJPEG in any great depth so here's my theory – looks like the colour info is sampled at a much lower rate than the brightness info in the picture & that's where the artifacts are coming from

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justinh:

edges between things of different colours look a bit fuzzy, as if the colours have been mixed but the brightness is still fairly crisp

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VanessaE:

right

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justinh:

you can see on the guy's face that the colour from his face is spilling over into his hair

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VanessaE:

yep

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justinh:

that might be something you can tune – I didn't play with framegrabbing for long – was too busy recoiling in disgust

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VanessaE:

not in mythtv unfortunately.

[09:14:33]

VanessaE:

about all you can set is luma and chroma 'filters' (whatever those do) and the encoding quality (this image was maxed out)

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VanessaE:

ew...

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VanessaE:

that doesn't look good.

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VanessaE:

(*bad* mpeg artifacts from settings that looked really nice 5 mins ago)

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VanessaE:

nevermind, it fixed itself (esc out and then try watching again)

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VanessaE:

well, bedtime

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elkin:

hi, I am having the following problem: I select a show and select "Record at any time on channel DISCOVERY CHANNEL.". Then I tell it "Duplicate Check method:" Subtitle. I get not a single recording sheduled as all are marked recorded... but I have never recorded any.

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justinh:

sure?

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justinh:

bloody hell impatience

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zorglu_:

q. i look for a way to get the program guide via programs, like a web api or other

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directhex|work:

there's nothing so elegant AFAIK

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directhex|work:

i believe mythweb reads the sql directly

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zorglu_:

directhex|work: ok but originally where does it get the program guide data ?

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justinh:

from the mysql database of course!

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zorglu_:

justinh: ok ok :) but how do you feed the sql database to begin with :)

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directhex|work:

depends on what you configured it to do

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justinh:

duh

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directhex|work:

which largely depends on where you live

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justinh:

xmltv, EIT... schedulesdirect ....

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justinh:

voodoo ...

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zorglu_:

thanks :) this is exactly what i was looking for. aka keyword to go forward

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directhex|work:

forward with what?

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justinh:

ahh that's be why I can't find 'fascia adapter' on the website. they spell it wrongly

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zorglu_:

directhex|work: ok i am a p2p coder in a team. we are trying to do a small demo for some VC and build a startup. one part of that is to get the tv schedule and record it. :)

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justinh:

p2p & recording TV? don't think I like how that sounds

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directhex|work:

i don't like the "access to schedules" part, given what it's like in most countries (non-commercial only, even paid for non-commercial)

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zorglu_:

well you are not the vc we talk too :)

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** Dagmar sniffs the air and wrinkles his nose at the scent of hungry lawyers. **

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zorglu_:

hehe :) guys guys my question is only technic

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zorglu_:

aka i just want to read the tv program

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directhex|work:

and the answer is legalese. access to schedules is heavily dependent on licenses

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Dagmar:

Understand that SchedulesDirect will *not* be usable for this.

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Dagmar:

SD is for personal use only.

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directhex|work:

so is tv_grab_uk_rt

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Dagmar:

Anything larger than that, for NA schedules you'll likely have to talk to Zap2it directly.

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justinh:

so is EIT

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Dagmar:

...although they're not hard to work with apparently.

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justinh:

all you need is $$$

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Dagmar:

Maybe $. Not even $$ I suspect.

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justinh:

so, disributing tv people record via p2p. good luck getting any VC to fund copyright violation

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zorglu_:

so i guess they will say no. right now i just want the program guide

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directhex|work:

which is, as stated, 1) not unified 2) not available in some countries 3) in most cases either reliant upon no-commercial-use data or screen scraping

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zorglu_:

well this is just a demo, i think getting xmltv to work, is most likely to be enougth for now

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ccooke:

Hmm

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ccooke:

Do the xmltv grabbers used by mythtv originate with the xmltv project, with mythtv or a bit of both?

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Dibblah:

ccooke: There are no Mythtv xmltv grabbers.

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Dibblah:

You're using the xmltv project grabbers.

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ccooke:

hence the way I phrased my question ;-)

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Dibblah:

Eh? Your question makes no sense.

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Dibblah:

Oh, reread.

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directhex|work:

mythtv uses any tv_grab_ executables on the system which pass a basic rigour test

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Dibblah:

Apologies.

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directhex|work:

i.e. "tv_grab_foo --capabilities" returns at lease 'baseline'

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ccooke:

right

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zorglu_:

how frequently a grabber become obsolete ? like every week ? month ? day ?

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directhex|work:

zorglu_, depends on where the data comes from and how

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Dagmar:

Whenever the source decides to make a theme change to make their site's appearance be "fresh and new"

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directhex|work:

zorglu_, screen scraping grabbers become obsolete relatively frequently

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ccooke:

(I've had to patch the uk radiotimes graber, since it has no temporary error correction and – on average – I'm getting one or two temporary failures for every run

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zorglu_:

directhex|work: i understand. but from experince.

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Dagmar:

You're *not* going to be able to use scrapers for a commercial product.

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zorglu_:

directhex|work: like once a week ?

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Dagmar:

You'll get sued

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directhex|work:

zorglu_, no idea, i use EIT

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zorglu_:

directhex|work: ok

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Dagmar:

...and if you want to find out what happens to projects that try to P2P recordings, just look up what happened to the Torrentocracy plugin (I think that's what it was called)

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Dagmar:

The key word in that statement being "was".

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zorglu_:

just forget what i told about p2p/tv/vc :) i just have technical question

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directhex|work:

http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/g . . . tv-win32.JPG – /me wants an "evil and wrong" badge. or perhaps a hat

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Dagmar:

You can have the "WinMyth Support Marshall" hat.

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Dagmar:

We *insist*.

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, can my advice be "run screaming"?

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zorglu_:

could not fetch http://telepoche.guidetele.com/grille/EMWD-6K . . . CT/2_6.html, error: 404 Not Found, <- apparently my grabber is obsolete :)

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Dagmar:

You might want to stock up on drool bibs.

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Dagmar:

"Screaming" is a long word for some of those people who will be coming 'round.

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, it's really really not ready for anyone yet. let alone idiots

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Dagmar:

That's not stopping them from trying to run Myth on their Atari 5200's

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directhex|work:

zorglu_, smells like a screen scraper to me. those die. fact of life.

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ccooke:

Dagmar: "You mean it won't run on a 2600?!"

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zorglu_:

directhex|work: yep clearly. i used the ubuntu .deb of feisty. i should try a more uptodate version

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ccooke:

zorglu_: on ubuntu, try the mythbuntu version

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ccooke:

I've been having a lot of success with their versions

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Dagmar:

Notably, scrapers will *not* be compatible with the commercial product you have in mind to create.

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directhex|work:

zorglu_, might help. hardy has the latest version

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, we're under orders to forget he mentioned that, remember?

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Dagmar:

Fuck that

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zorglu_:

ccooke: ok

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zorglu_:

directhex|work: ok

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Dagmar:

I remember him saying it, and I'm not about to be telling some judge adjudicating a suit that my excuse is that I believes some bullshit some idiot told me that I knew to be untrue.

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Dagmar:

Let's face it, in more than just a minimal sort of way, that _is_ the "TiVo-isation" certain people have been hollering about.

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directhex|work:

tivoisation?

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ccooke:

Dagmar: ... okay, I'm interested now. How do you get tivoisation from that? It looks decidedly dodgy from a legal standpoint, but I'm not sure of the tivoisation bit.

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justinh:

hmmm what was the name of that webvcr thing which recently went down the tubes?

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Dagmar:

No idea.

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justinh:

tvcatchup or something like it

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directhex|work:

venture capitalists love to burn through cash though

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justinh:

apparently they had an online EPG – you could even ask it to record stuff for you for streaming later

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Dagmar:

I'll just be happy if I can tailor MythWeb just a teensy bit to handle the PSP better

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Dagmar:

The PSP has flash now, and it even works

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Dagmar:

Unfortunately the screen resolution on the things is 480x272, which um, is really really small

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justinh:

like BBC iPlayer streams you mean? wikkedy!

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Dagmar:

I can see Foamy toons on IllWillPress with it, but they might as well be in 50% zoom mode because I lose the outer edge of the image

[12:38:12]

Dagmar:

justinh: in all likelihood the BBC's streams are probably higher resolution than 480x272

[12:38:25]

justinh:

Dagmar: not the iplayer streams

[12:38:30]

Dagmar:

Wow

[12:38:49]

Dagmar:

The PSP is actually the best device I've seen for doing this thus far.

[12:38:56]

Dagmar:

The Nintendo DS browser, in a word "sucks".

[12:39:02]

Dagmar:

It is so goddamn slow it'll make you cry.

[12:39:17]

justinh:

wouldn't expect anything else

[12:39:19]

ccooke:

Dagmar: the Nokia tablets *might* be as good or better, but I've not actually tried it on mine, yet

[12:39:32]

Dagmar:

I've got one here

[12:39:35]

Dagmar:

They just ain't cheap

[12:39:39]

ccooke:

which one?

[12:39:41]

Dagmar:

The PSP... $169

[12:40:14]

Dagmar:

It says "S1613–01 Mobile Terminal EX"

[12:40:18]

Dagmar:

It's a demo Nokia sent us

[12:40:23]

justinh:

yeah they _were_ tvcatchup.com http://tvcatchup.com/

[12:40:25]

ccooke:

hmm

[12:40:38]

justinh:

silly sausages

[12:40:40]

Dagmar:

It works pretty well for our inventory stuff, but it's a tiny bit awkward to hold with the strap on the back, and it has about 3 hours battery life.

[12:41:12]

Dagmar:

...and the touchscreen is damn fragile. There's little fractures in the one here, and most of the people in tis department are PDA users so it's not like we're stabbing the display too hard.

[12:41:15]

ccooke:

Dagmar: ah, not one of the devices I meant, then. I think.

[12:41:27]

Dagmar:

You're thinking of the wee little 770s and such

[12:41:35]

Dagmar:

They are MUCH more costly than $169

[12:41:46]

Dagmar:

I do b'lieve they do Flash tho

[12:42:12]

directhex|work:

the psp has some flash7 capability iirc

[12:42:12]

Dagmar:

Nintendo DS isnt even usable for a damn thing because it's page load time is impossibly slow, forget any playing of Flash content on it

[12:42:23]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, much like the wii browser then?

[12:42:24]

Dagmar:

directhex: Whatever illwillpress.com is using

[12:42:24]

ccooke:

The n810 I have is a lot more expensive, yes – something like $400

[12:42:41]

Dagmar:

directhex: Hell, the Wii browser is about 5x faster, and it at least can do Flash

[12:42:48]

ccooke:

the older n800, though, has dropped to around $200

[12:42:51]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, a fair number of flash streaming video sites mandate flash9 (iirc you need 9 for h264)

[12:43:01]

ccooke:

and it's just as fast as the n810 :-0

[12:43:06]

directhex|work:

but most non-adobe flashes are only flash7

[12:43:09]

ccooke:

s/0/)/

[12:43:14]

Dagmar:

I'm still working on reflow tweaks just to get MythWeb displaying reasonably on the PSP screen

[12:43:52]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, http://xml-qstat.org/images/screencap/psp-sge.jpg :)

[12:43:58]

ccooke:

Hmm, that's a point. Not got around to trying mythweb on the n810. Mythetomer is the best remote I've used, though – much less faffing about :-)

[12:45:36]

justinh:

bugger. the rear silencer on my car is flapping around. I only bloody got it on friday!

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Dagmar:

ccooke: That looks like it's just a frontend for sending telnet commands to me

[12:47:31]

Dagmar:

The _name_ is madness.

[12:48:02]

Dagmar:

directhex: Do you play World of Warcraft perhaps?

[12:48:24]

ccooke:

Dagmar: it basically *is* just a frontend. But it's a frontend that works, and provides a nice touchscreen interface.

[12:48:39]

Dagmar:

I've seen that hardcase for sale, for whatever reason no one has pictures of it as good as the one you've got there

[12:48:54]

Dagmar:

coooke: Like, the TV shows on the Maemo unit?

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ccooke:

Dagmar: do you mean mobile mythtv? if so, I've yet to get that working.

[12:50:03]

Dagmar:

ccooke: Yeah. The site for mythetomer just shows channel change buttons, and well, that's easy

[12:50:26]

Dagmar:

You could do it with a quick web app, but again the Nintendo DS is so damn slow it's not really useful for displaying it (been there, tried that, gave up)

[12:50:45]

Dagmar:

Blazer on the Palm is just a nasty piece of work, and it's a _bit_ faster than the DS

[12:51:01]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, no, why?

[12:51:03]

Dagmar:

It definitely at least loads faster, but it's rendering is quirky

[12:51:54]

Dagmar:

directhex: 'cuz I got ultra-productive since I *just* got the PSP-2001 last week, and they had the 3.93 firmware that actually _provides_ for custom XMB themes to be loaded without an ugly hack, so I made http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/worldofwarcraft.ptf

[12:52:08]

Dagmar:

What you have to *DO* to make the images usable is ungodly annoying

[12:52:29]

Dagmar:

Freaking eight hours of screwing around

[12:52:53]

Dagmar:

Some of the images are PNG, some of the images are BMP

[12:53:18]

Dagmar:

The BMP files must *not* be RLE encoded, and they have to be freaking 24 bit depth, not 32 or the program balkls

[12:53:34]

T045T:

Hey, I've got a quick question: would it be possible to put an on-screen-keyboard (I'm thinking about onBoard) over myth?

[12:53:42]

Dagmar:

The PNG images actually *must* be freaking *less* than 100% opaque or the unit screws up displaying them

[12:53:46]

ccooke:

Dagmar: making a web front end to the mythremote stuff would not be as easy as you might think – and more to the point, nobody has *done* so.

[12:54:09]

ccooke:

(you could do a system that worked, but not one that worked quite so well)

[12:54:16]

Dagmar:

...and even after you've diddled your PNG images carefully, there's ANOTHER program you have to run on them to tweak the palettes because the theme tool just won't read what either Photoshop *or* Gimp emits

[12:54:32]

Dagmar:

coooke: I've done it.

[12:54:41]

T045T:

ccooke: actually, I did find a web remote thingie a while ago

[12:54:47]

ccooke:

hmm

[12:54:56]

Dagmar:

There's just no way to make one as nicely useable as most people would consider acceptable. Too much damn lag

[12:54:59]

justinh:

0.21 has a web remote

[12:55:01]

ccooke:

must have missed it when I was looking, then

[12:55:13]

Dagmar:

I mean, it's _really_ trivial to have a form with a bunch of submit buttons on it

[12:55:45]

ccooke:

Dagmar: yes, but it doesn't work as well as the mythetomer app. Which is my point.

[12:56:12]

Dagmar:

ccooke: Know what works better? *pretty much any IR remote emulator app*

[12:56:14]

Dagmar:

:/

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Dagmar:

That's the truly annoying metric about this particular task.

[12:56:46]

Dagmar:

You can take OmniRemote and put it on a piece of crap Handspring from 1998 and it'll work fine

[12:57:02]

Dagmar:

...and you can get those for like $25.

[12:57:26]

T045T:

ccooke: http://www.legatissimo.info/node/355 <-- that's the one I was talking about. It's written for the iPhone/iPod touch, but it's a web app

[12:57:28]

Dagmar:

I'm acutally aiming to maybe have MythWeb be able to play Flash right on the PSP now that it can *do* flash

[12:57:40]

Dagmar:

granted, I'm probably going to find some catastrphic memory leak that will really excite Sony

[12:58:07]

Dagmar:

...like the first version of the WiiBrowser would do Flash, but basically you were just playing a waiting game of 1–3 hours before the thing would hard crash the Wii

[12:58:48]

ccooke:

T045T: hmm. looks all right. Not as usable, though.

[12:59:28]

ccooke:

Dagmar: I've found remote control operations under linux to be – generally – an exercise in pain tolerance

[12:59:38]

T045T:

oh, and the web remote justinh was referring to is probably something included in knoppmyth

[13:00:09]

Dagmar:

ccooke: That's about it yeah

[13:00:10]

ccooke:

however, this is probably unfair, since I've usually ended up having to patch lirc to get the kit I had working.

[13:00:31]

justinh:

sure I've seen a remote of sorts in mythweb proper

[13:01:32]

ccooke:

T045T: When someone has a fully interactive JS-based web remote... I'll probably switch to it. anything that deals with things as one http request per button press isn't going to be as useful as a native app

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ccooke:

(I hate to use the term, but "Web 2.0" is about right for what's needed :-/)

[13:02:42]

T045T:

hmm... the one I linked to has some AJAX in it (;

[13:02:48]

directhex|work:

lirc is the finest in kernel-mode programming 2001 has to offer

[13:02:55]

Dagmar:

heh

[13:03:28]

ccooke:

directhex|work: heh

[13:03:37]

ccooke:

it's been getting better over time

[13:03:41]

ccooke:

but it's still voodoo.

[13:04:17]

T045T:

oh, btw, does anyone know a place to get alternative layouts for onBoard?

[13:06:11]

Dagmar:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Projects/onBoard

[13:06:34]

Dagmar:

"To write new keyboard definitions, read these instructions."

[13:07:08]

T045T:

I know, I was hoping someone else already did S-:

[13:08:02]

Dagmar:

So why would you be askin' in here then

[13:08:14]

Dagmar:

#Ubuntu too full of madness for ya? *g*

[13:08:40]

T045T:

that, too, but I have a mythtv-related application of onboard in mind

[13:09:47]

T045T:

I want to operate myth with a touchscreen (and only that, ideally)... I already found Gestikk to turn mouse gestures like "swipe up/down" into useful keybpresses, ut sometimes you need a keyboard

[13:10:23]

T045T:

I'd like to know if it's possible to "overlay" onboard onto Myth (i.e. have onboard fullscreen, but transparent

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GreyFoxx:

T045T: Just so you know, the majority of myth does NOT respond to mouse clicks

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T045T:

GreyFoxx: I know, that's why I looked into gestures. Ideally, the user should be able to navigate myth with the swipe-gestures I just wrote about and bring up a keyboard if they need one

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justinh:

mouse control & a pvr app.. can't think of any 2 things which go together worse

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directhex|work:

justinh, tomato ketchup & chocolate mouse

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mjj29:

justinh: with a wii remote?

[13:47:52]

justinh:

meh

[13:54:40]

justinh:

gyro remotes, motion detecting bollocks, all of it

[13:55:13]

justinh:

show me a UI which reflects a suitable methodology for such control methods & I might think again

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** mjj29 totally wants a UI which works with the wii remote **

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mjj29:

something like the iphone touch interface, but with the wii remote

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justinh:

look at linuxmce then

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justinh:

if you can bear to look at it I mean

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mjj29:

heh

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justinh:

thing about all this stuff with fancy remotes is – you still have to control your telly with an old-fashioned remote

[14:24:00]

GreyFoxx:

ugh, in the last couple days my firewire recordings have gotten quite flaky

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directhex|work:

poor GreyFoxx :'(

[14:25:04]

GreyFoxx:

strangely it's the same amount of time since I last rebooted that backend

[14:25:32]

GreyFoxx:

I hope the new 1394 stack comes along sooner rather than later

[14:26:13]

directhex|work:

the new 1394 stack doesn't support anything other than, well, there's no end to that sentence really

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T045T:

justinh: couldn't you build an IR blaster for controlling the TV? Unless you have a weird tv like we do S-:

[14:26:51]

GreyFoxx:

from the looks of it the various bus resetting bugs that daniel has brought to them have basically been met with "wait til the new stack" so I'm hoping it's not years away :)

[14:27:13]

justinh:

T045T: so to turn the TV on, I need to have the frontend powered up. yeah that works :-\

[14:28:14]

sid3windr:

arent there remotes for computer that can also blast ir stuff?

[14:28:33]

sid3windr:

and: what are you doing with your tv on without a powered frontend! ;)

[14:28:42]

justinh:

sid3windr: yeah but they lack whizzbang stupid doohickey features!

[14:28:52]

sid3windr:

damn

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justinh:

sid3windr: livetv in mythtv sucks

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T045T:

justinh: well, that was assuming you are using the tv nothing but mythtv

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sid3windr:

I could do without doohickey but the whizzbang...

[14:29:03]

sid3windr:

my precious wizzbang!

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justinh:

first thing in the morning I watch a bit of breakfast TV. no need of the PVR then

[14:29:42]

justinh:

that < 60 secs boot time is crucial in the morning

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sid3windr:

:)

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justinh:

anyway it's not all that blasphemous to watch TV without involving mythtv

[14:32:36]

justinh:

we tried to live without mythtv a few weeks ago – with a standalone 'proper' PVR. OMG never again

[14:32:41]

sid3windr:

:)

[14:32:53]

justinh:

there's shite, then there are Humax PVRs

[14:33:02]

justinh:

and after them, everybody else's

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directhex|work:

humax and topwin are the best regarded!

[14:33:11]

justinh:

pfft

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justinh:

hate to see how arse the bad ones are then!

[14:33:38]

directhex|work:

*really* arse. if you're curious, you can find out for less than a tenner

[14:35:19]

justinh:

oh shit. this really isn't a good day. just done a fis init & it's wiped redboot :(

[14:35:29]

justinh:

that should not have happened!

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Nikas:

hello. I need to get the latest mythburn.py from .21-fixes.. how do i get just that file?

[14:38:39]

justinh:

browse the svn branch & pull it down from there :)

[14:39:06]

Nikas:

how do i browse the branch? hehe just wget when i find the right url?

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justinh:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . burn/scripts

[14:40:46]

justinh:

for what it's worth though, you really don't want to be mixing & matching stuff like that

[14:41:39]

Nikas:

mythburn is not working for me because i have non ascii-chars in the names for many of my recordings. I'm using mythbuntu and the fixes are not beeing build as for now.

[14:42:00]

justinh:

still.. don't expect it to work

[14:42:24]

Nikas:

hehe it's not working now so i'm not loosing anything ;)

[14:42:25]

justinh:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/export/16784/branc . . . /mythburn.py is the actual URL of what you want

[14:42:45]

Nikas:

Thanks!

[14:43:31]

justinh:

if I slaughtered a busload of people because I'd heard Leona Lewis' 'Bleeding' song twice too many times today would that make me an evil person?

[14:44:34]

directhex|work:

justinh, that depends

[14:44:56]

directhex|work:

justinh, do you remember cher's "believe", when it was being played everywhere (due to being number 1) for 2 months solid?

[14:45:16]

jduggan:

DO YOU BELIEVE IN LOVE AFTER LOVE

[14:45:23]

** jduggan remembers **

[14:46:20]

justinh:

who? what?

[14:47:06]

justinh:

that song – I almost got sacked so many times for refusing to play it in the bar where I worked at the time

[14:47:08]

sid3windr:

(after love after love after love!)

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directhex|work:

jduggan, now, imagine taking the bus to and from school every day, at the same time, with the radio on radio 1, where they play the number 1 song at precisely the times you'd be on the bus

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directhex|work:

jduggan, twice daily, 2 months.

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justinh:

"but muhhh it's number one! that must mean it's really good!"... er NO, that's got SOD all to do with it being _good_

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jduggan:

directhex|work: haha :)

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directhex|work:

justinh, the power rangers song ruled!

[14:48:30]

justinh:

Space Pirates ftw

[14:48:41]

directhex|work:

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/important_life_lesson.png

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justinh:

hahahahaha

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sid3windr:

:D

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justinh:

urge to kill... receeding

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justinh:

hmmm I might just deface an effigy of MePo instead

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jduggan:

directhex|work: hahaha :)

[14:51:14]

jduggan:

nice

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justinh:

I'll put a frown on the little beggar's face

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Nikas:

the new mythburn.py works great! Thanks again! :)

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Freman:

Heya's. I come with gifts.

[15:02:41]

Freman:

Has anyone else here been troubled by the preview keeping the HDD active after DPMS has kicked in and put the video output to sleep?

[15:02:58]

Freman:

I noticed a feature request for a fix for this on the mythtv wiki

[15:03:15]

Freman:

and as it's bothered me for some time now – I wrote this – http://fremnet.net/article/254/mythtv-dpms-preview-disabler

[15:03:25]

Freman:

(sorry, couldn't think of a less verbose name)

[15:03:37]

GreyFoxx:

I actually back out of the Watch receordings screen before I want walk away to avoid the unneeded cpu usage

[15:03:49]

Freman:

I frequently forget

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GreyFoxx:

You should post it to trac :)

[15:04:12]

Freman:

that script will now jump back to main menu if you leave it in watch recordings and dpms kicks in

[15:04:18]

justinh:

a selectable timeout in the code would work best IMHO

[15:04:25]

Freman:

Don't know how GreyFoxx :)

[15:04:33]

justinh:

a bit like the livetv sleep timer

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Freman:

justinh: I give you the source – go forth and modify

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justinh:

no, you!

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Freman:

I've also been working on scripts to dim the lights when I start playing, and bring the lights back up when I pause or finish playing

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justinh:

some people already do that

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justinh:

much easier now with the telnet interface & currentlocation :)

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Freman:

I'm still running an older version I think cos telnet interface isn't overly useful beyond "query location" – I listen for key presses or remote presses and run a script that hits quiry location twice over 2 seconds to see if the time has changed

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justinh:

** Error: Illegal or malformed command: "mount" .. WTF?!

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Freman:

I didn't do it :)

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justinh:

this redboot is a law unto itself

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directhex|work:

redboot always has been

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directhex|work:

eCostastic!

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Freman:

ooooh redboot – I don't like that – never have

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justinh:

is that another work for 'special' – as in padded helmet special?

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justinh:

s/work/word

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GreyFoxx:

Freman: what sort of info would you be looking for that isn't there?

[15:13:35]

GreyFoxx:

At least now in query location you can tell the diff between a recording, dvd and regular video being played back :)

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directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, are you aware of whether anyone is working on making mythvideo or mythmusic less one-path-fits-all? e.g. allowing a different VIDEO_ROOT on different frontends?

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justinh:

directhex|work: why?

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Freman:

whether it's paused

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Freman:

I'd love to know enough c/c++ to add an events interface to mythtv :)

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|bsp: not that I'm aware of ...well no and yes I guess. Someone is working on setting up storage group stuff to allow streaming of the mythvideo content and it could be on seperate frontends

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directhex|work:

justinh, you want a bullshit reason, or the real reason?

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GreyFoxx:

free: Ahhh yeah the state isn't there

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justinh:

directhex|work: a good reason

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GreyFoxx:

but checking the time is the only current way to know if it's paused

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Freman:

I hacked up a lcdproxy that helps me gather what it's doing for the most part, the last element I was missing was knowing if it was paused playing or indifferent

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GreyFoxx:

a "play getstate" cpommand could be useful

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directhex|work:

justinh, not all OSes can (easily, anyway) use a /path/to/videoroot/movie.avi style path

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justinh:

blech. windows again then

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directhex|work:

mainly. but it's also awkward for osx as it is now

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directhex|work:

not insurmountable (mythvideo certainly can work on osx), but awkward

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justinh:

personally I'd love to see it all just streamed from the backend(s)

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directhex|work:

yes, that'd be good

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directhex|work:

using upnp! and hookers!

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justinh:

don't care whether it uses upnp or not, just so long as it works :)

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Freman:

hookers are good

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directhex|work:

justinh, how about the hookers?

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Freman:

VIDEO Alien Nation Directed By: Graham Baker 0.074

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Freman:

all ripped from the lcd :)

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justinh:

if the hookers suck, bring em on!

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iamlindoro__:

i'd say it's a fair likelihood that they do

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Freman:

now to hoo myself up with dimmers and led strips

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orko:

iamlindoro: you remember me. My mythmusic did not work and you gave me the hint it might be because of version confolict

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ccooke:

OOI: Why doesn't mythfrontend discover and access UPnP media from other frontends? That way, you could run a frontend (or a windowless frontend, just for the UPnP) on the backends (which already have tons of disk) and the frontends could be even lighter...

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PatrickDK:

personally I just nfs mount the media from the backends

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PatrickDK:

and store all my media on the backends (pictures/videos/...)

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ccooke:

yeah. Problem is, there's no mountable filesystem I've seen that handles the backend going away gracefully.

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GreyFoxx:

nfs works just fine for that

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GreyFoxx:

assuming you aren't trying to access the backend content while it's turned off

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GreyFoxx:

if you REALLY want upnpyou could use djmount

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ccooke:

GreyFoxx: and when you do, the entirre system locks up and needs manual fixing :-)

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GreyFoxx:

No, just waint a few moments and it will timeout finding nothing

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PatrickDK:

if the entire system locks up with nfs, you mounted it wrong

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jackson:

ccooke, you're export or mount options are wrong if a missing nfs mount goes away.

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PatrickDK:

you don't want to use hard, you want to use hard,intr, or soft

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ccooke:

(I tend to use soft mounting, yes)

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directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, djmount is evil and wrong and not 64-bit clean

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Freman:

I have huge backends and tiny frontends with everything mounted over nfs

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jackson:

...my frontends use nfs roots

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Freman:

I'd rather throw old 80 gig hdd's in my front ends and keep the space on the backend for more important things :

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jackson:

what's ~2 gb's per amoung thousands?

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|bsp: I don't care about 64bit, and as for evil and wrong, as long as it works I'll use it :)

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GreyFoxx:

however as with the others, I nfs mount my content to the frontends, and the frontends are mostly nfs rooted anyway, and they survive reboots of the nfs servers without a problem

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rinaldi_:

Finally! Sony's PS3 firmware update fixed the streaming of recordings over the UPnP in mythtv. At least I know now that they listen to you when you tell them something

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GreyFoxx:

You can now hear ac3 audio and such on mpegts streams ?

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tank-man:

rinaldi_, what version of mythtv are you running?

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rinaldi_:

tank-man: 0.21

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tank-man:

are shows displayed in some kind of grouping?

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rinaldi_:

its just that before ps3 saw it as corrupted data

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rinaldi_:

tank-man: how dyou mean? on the mythtv frontend or on ps3?

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tank-man:

ps3

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rinaldi_:

GreyFoxx: if you were talking to me there, im not sure about ac3, they just didn't work before :P

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tank-man:

i'm just updating now and going to see for myself :)

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rinaldi_:

Now all I need to do is find a way to strengthen my wireless signal to the ps3 because it's choppy when trying to watch a show

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Dagmar:

"parabolic reflector"

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Dagmar:

...although I'd move the bloody AP off channel 6 first.

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rinaldi_:

anyone thing the UI for music in mythfrontend could be improved?

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jduggan:

rinaldi_: only everybody that ever used it – when you've improved it, let us know

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justinh:

rinaldi_: course not. it's perfect

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Led-Hed:

anyone having trouble with the Program Guide in 0.21? Mine hangs for quite a while (1–5min) when I enter the program guide from Live TV. The hang isnt there when I use the program guide in the schedule recordings menu.

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justinh:

Led-Hed: life's subtle way of telling you that livetv isn't to be used at any cost :P

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Tuv0k:

does anyone here stream via mythweb?

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Tuv0k:

It seems hit or miss for me

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Led-Hed:

justinh, true, but I never listen to the advise life gives me.

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rinaldi_:

jduggan: i was wandering if it was something being worked on, because it's an aspect that lets the frontend down in some ways. something like an itunes/songbird style organisation would look really good

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Tuv0k:

have not had much luck streaming .nuv files

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jduggan:

Hoxzer: i use live tv/guide extensively without issues

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Tuv0k:

I have the stream ssh tunneled to my localhost

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justinh:

Tuv0k: nor will you. it never worked for .nuv files

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Tuv0k:

thats good to know

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Tuv0k:

I turned off autotranscode because I suspected such

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jduggan:

rinaldi_: i dont know if anybody is working on it – i havent kept track, but youre opinions are pretty much the same as those of anybody that has used mythmusic ;)

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justinh:

there are improvements in the pipeline

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justinh:

(for mythmusic that is)

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justinh:

when it's ported to mythui (or largely rewritten – whichever is best at the time) it'll improve no end

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Tuv0k:

I hate getting to the 30min mark in a 1hr show, only to have it stop

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Tuv0k:

then I can't advance to the mark where it stopped and continue watching

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rinaldi_:

justinh: ok, sounds good then

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Tuv0k:

sorry wrong channel

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Tuv0k:

but the issue is relevent

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rinaldi_:

justinh: im fairly new to mythtv, and didn't realise they were doing mythui, and looks like there will be a lot coming to mythui soon

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rcrit:

I've read about a lot of problems with the Hauppauge PVR 500 and snow or artifacts on some channels with the newer Samsung chip. Is this a card to avoid?

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mkrufky:

too strong a signal, rcrit ?

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rcrit:

I haven't bought one yet, was just doing some research

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rcrit:

there was mention of inserting a pad/resistor but no mention of what that thing really is or where to get one

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rcrit:

I already have a 250 and just want another tuner. Figured that I'd get 2-for-1 with a 500 but if its not going to work well I'll get a 150 or 350 instead.

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mkrufky:

sorry, rcrit, got distracted

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rcrit:

np

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mkrufky:

i think the problem with the 500 isnt as big of a deal

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mkrufky:

iirc, it is an LNA inside the tuner that doesn't always need to be turned on

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mkrufky:

and it ends up being too strong on certain channels

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Dagmar:

I've had exactly zero problems with my PVR-500.

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rcrit:

Dagmar, with a philips or samsung chipset?

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rcrit:

most of the posts I read were from 06 and early 07 so perhaps the problem is a non-issue now

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Dagmar:

Philips FQ1236A MK4 (idx 92, type 57)

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Dagmar:

The Samsung handler was boned when the chip first came out, but it should have been fixed long ago

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rcrit:

ok, well, from what I read all the Phillips users are happy and the Samsung users are sad

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iamlindoro__:

That's the internet for you, all that is old news, AFAIK all the Samsung issues are long since solved

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directhex:

samsung have issues?

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Dagmar:

Why you'd give a darn about year-old mailing list posts I've no idea

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iamlindoro__:

directhex, The old PVR-500 blah blah from like two years ago

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directhex:

iamlindoro__, what do samsung have to do with pvr500s? tuner model?

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iamlindoro__:

The chip on the newer ones, yah

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iamlindoro__:

went from Philips->Samsung

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directhex:

Dagmar, we've been presented with 6-year-old codec comparisons before...

[18:17:22]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but in this case I think it's a matter of someone failing to think.

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iamlindoro__:

Anyone deal w/ Matlab on a daily basis? I am ready to fly to Massachusetts and personally kill them.

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Dagmar:

People don't "just give up" on something that causes problems

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Dagmar:

They're idiots.

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directhex:

iamlindoro__, part of my job is to not deal with matlab on a daily basis

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Dagmar:

They never read a damn thing.

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iamlindoro__:

directhex, ah, to have such a job!

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Dagmar:

Any _ongoing_ problems are posted to the mailing lists and forums, over and over, ad nauseum.

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** iamlindoro__ grumbles **

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directhex:

iamlindoro__, presenting them with a bill for 256 licenses is the easy option

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: I watched an install of that last week. Good freakin luck

[18:19:18]

iamlindoro__:

I "support" it in the loosest possible terms, but every time I have to deal w/ it I end up wanting to commit multiple violent felonies

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Dagmar:

Any issue that is still ongoing, is something that can be verified by just looking at what clueless noobs are *still* posting about

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directhex:

iamlindoro__, i find that with most proprietary codes

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directhex:

iamlindoro__, hell, i find that with most things i can't aptitude install

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iamlindoro__:

and of course, the object of my wrath today is the license manager

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Dagmar:

far as I know you pretty much have your choice of running Fedora for Matlab, or running Fedora for Matlab.

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Dagmar:

...and if you want to get exciting about it, you can try running it on Fedora.

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Dagmar:

Nothing else is supported.

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, it actually *does* run okay on Debian (and they'll even "support" it, coughcough)

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Dagmar:

I found out one of our help desk guys knows a *lot* more than I was originally giving him credit for

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iamlindoro__:

*sigh* It's so much more pleasant in here during the day-- It night the idiots come out to play

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iamlindoro__:

well, more idiots

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rcrit:

well, that's why I came here to ask

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rcrit:

the ivtv wiki has very little information on this at all

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iamlindoro__:

Last night I got into a chat w/ someone who thought they could honestly tell me that there were legit reasons to have video files as series' of RAR files

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Dagmar:

I think it's a matter of people who get their motivation for building stuff from either a) hard liquor, or b) bong hits

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rinaldi_:

iamlindoro: why do people do that anyway?

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iamlindoro__:

rinaldi_, "people" don't, pirates do

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GreyFoxx:

pirates/warezdudes

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Dagmar:

For the same reason people smoke pot, but don't actually inhale it.

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GreyFoxx:

it's a hold over from small net connections

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Dagmar:

Oh I thought you meant why do people try to float such excruciatingly obvious lies.

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iamlindoro__:

My point was there is not *legit* reason for doing it

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rinaldi_:

iamlindoro: why do pirates do it then? what use does it have?

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Dagmar:

rinaldi_: because a crapton of little RAR files will fit neatly into usenet postings and is very tolerant of issues where come messages don't propagate across the network

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iamlindoro__:

being able to break it down for Usenet posting, perhaps, or maybe so that you could prioritize certain files in a P2P download

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Dagmar:

The warez monkeys, catering to the lowest common denominator of connections, cater to this because it makes it easy to correct when something goes wrong with one of their questionable file drops, or questionable websites, or questionable newsgroup postings.

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iamlindoro__:

In the words of Judge Judy, I was like, "Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining."

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Dagmar:

Actual _legitimate_ uses for transferring video files can be done with _protocols that can resume transfers correctly_ so it doesn't really bloody matter if the file is 2.6Gb long

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: I tend to take the attitide of "I was pirating s**t back before you even knew what pubic hair was. Don't try to lie to me."

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Dagmar:

The solution to warezing is to grow up, get a job, and then you don't really give a crap anymore. $60 to get a legit copy of something? No effing problem.

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iamlindoro__:

agreed

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Dagmar:

One plastic card swipe later, and you're *done*

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Dagmar:

Drop a crack or two on it anyway so you can listen to a CD on the optical drive while you play, and no more mucking about with waiting for files to decompress, checking for viruses, worrying about your ISP cutting you off, figuring out whether or not the app "phones home", etc etc etc

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keithclark:

Has anyone gotten an ATI All-In-Wonder Pro to work with MythTV?

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jduggan:

an AT-wha?

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jduggan:

:|

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Dagmar:

keithclark: That's got nothing to do with mythTV

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Dagmar:

Those are _all_ linux-space problems.

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keithclark:

Dagmar, thanks.

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Dagmar:

You either have drivers that work, or you don't.

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phrag:

hi guys, anyone know how to 'sync' mythtv with my clock... it lags at recording (ie starts recording 1 or two minutes after stuff begins and guide still reports last programme) ...my clock is synced with a public ntp regularly

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phrag:

Dagmar, !

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phrag:

Dagmar, alright geezer ?

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Dagmar:

phrag: Oh, well hell man. My first computer was a TI 99–4/A

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Dagmar:

Most peoples wristwatches have more power than that now

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phrag:

it's quiet in ##slackware without your ever prominent presence =P

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phrag:

Dagmar, sorry ?

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Dagmar:

It's doubtful I'll bother with going bakc

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JohnMahowald:

phrag: Tweak your timing settings a minute earlier

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Dagmar:

phrag: Oh I thought you were referring to the how long ago I used to warez issue

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Dagmar:

I seriously just throw money at the problem now tho.

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elkin:

hi, I want to merge my DVB-S system to use a diseqc. I have used mythtv on astra (germany) for years and now I want to add hotbird. Doing a fast channel scan I checked that everything works. Now, I reloaded the databasedump I made and would like to remove the old card in mythtv-setup add the diseqc... then, here I need your help, merge all astra channels to diseqc1 and scan all new channels on dieseqc2. Can someone point me to the right

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elkin:

SQL statement of function to set in mythtv-setup? thanks

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phrag:

johndbritton, seriously? offset my clock -1m to fix? that is a dirty hack and not one i'd like to implement to fix mythtv... it's only recently started to lag

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Dagmar:

I barely need anything beyond Linux and a licence of XP for some games, so it ain't even _much_ money

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johndbritton:

phrag: I think you meant JohnMahowald

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phrag:

that i did sir, sorry =)

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Dagmar:

keithclark: GATOS supports *some* of the All-in-Wonder cards. ATI's driver flat out doesn't do video capture

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jackson:

phrag, sounds like you need to replace your battery.

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GreyFoxx:

phrag: As the time actually different on the two machines?

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phrag:

Dagmar, that's a shame, i for one would miss you, as i'm sure a lot of others would

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Dagmar:

phrag: So you're sure the clock is correct?

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GreyFoxx:

If so look at ntpd/ntpdate/netdate

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phrag:

GreyFoxx, client and server are same machine

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Dagmar:

If the clock is correct, it's possible the broadcaster is screwing around, but a bit unlikely

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GreyFoxx:

then it's the channel broadcasting that is off by a minute

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GreyFoxx:

Unless you have told myth to start a minute early/late (which is a option on recordings)

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Dagmar:

I'd say sit and watch the start of a few things live adn see if it's doing like it's supposed to

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phrag:

i just synced and was 0.673... off

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GreyFoxx:

I have 1 channel that is 2 minutes off from the rest of them

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Dagmar:

TBS makes a big deal about being five minutes off still

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phrag:

GreyFoxx, it starts a minute late... perhaps i have knocked that on by mistake, is that in recording profiles ?

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keithclark:

Dagmar, thanks. I guess it is time to toss the card and consider another. Money, money money!

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Dagmar:

keithclark: Get something with mpeg accelleration built into it like a PVR-150 or PVR-500 (dual tuner version of same)

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GreyFoxx:

phrag: honestly can't remember where it is offhand

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GreyFoxx:

I believe there is a global value in the frontend setup menus

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GreyFoxx:

and per recording values for each schedules recording

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keithclark:

Dagmar, thanks, I'll start shopping.

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phrag:

ok, thanks a lot guys... will locate mythtv time offset and see if that's the cause, or perhaps it's only that one channel (as that's all i mostly record from)

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Dagmar:

keithclark: Just having hardware accelleration of MPEG encoding built into the card, so it just hands the CPU an already-encoded stream eliminates a massive number of thorny technical problems. *well* worth the time considering they cost only marginally more than most new framegrabber-only cards.

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GreyFoxx:

phrag: 1 of my channels starts everything 2 minutes early. It's a pain

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GreyFoxx:

but it's also only my bdaughters cartoons :)

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GreyFoxx:

and they just started doing in in the last 2 months

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keithclark:

Dagmar, I understand. Take away as much processing as possible from the system's CPU

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GreyFoxx:

before that they were fine

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Dagmar:

phrag: I mostly record from Scifi and they're perpetually 15s late, but I think that's more or less by design

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phrag:

haha, to be cool ? =)

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Dagmar:

keithclark: Don't forget "not having to deal with what evil bugs are possibly lurking in software-based compression routines"

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keithclark:

Dagmar, true enough. Just another layer to have to deal with.

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Dagmar:

phrag: I'm kinda guessing that they expect actual people to go "Oh, it's 7:00pm. Time to watch that thing on Scifi" and then the flip on the TV.

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Dagmar:

I spent a LONG time having my box start recordings two minutes early because other networks screw around, but I never once had that result in me *not* having to manually cut off the first two minutes of everything I recorded on SciFi

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phrag:

also, i have an intermittent issue with a dual tuner card (one input) (Nova-T-500)... where one of either tuners stops working (it may be due to signal quality) and as a consequence, some things don't get recorded (error: file cannot be found)

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Dagmar:

phrag: Known issue, actually.

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phrag:

think this is likely to be down to signal quality, or software/hardware related ?

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Dagmar:

There's a module argument you pass to the usb chipset driver that *supposedly* fixes that is the last I heard

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Dagmar:

It's outright hardware

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phrag:

Dagmar, oh really? that's very interesting

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Dagmar:

From what I could tell it looks like the popular theory is that the USB bus is going to sleep (as per usual) after a decent peroid of inactivity, and the second tuner on the device gets screwed up by this somehow

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Dagmar:

There's a recent comment in the changelog of the drivers for the thing about it

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Dagmar:

They _say_ they've fixed it, but I've seen three people reporting that issue here since then

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phrag:

uvcvideo driver right ?

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Dagmar:

One dude is just downing the whole USB subsystem and bringing it back up when there's no recordings scheduled to eliminate it as a problem, but that seems like a *hideous* hack to me

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phrag:

not something i'd want to do

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phrag:

Dagmar, the driver in question is 'uvcvideo', correct ?

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Dagmar:

phrag: What I found the last time I dug was a module argument to _usbcore_ actually

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Dagmar:

This is the Nova-T USB model, right?

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phrag:

dvb_usb

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phrag:

dvb_usb_dib0700 to be precise

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Dagmar:

Yes, like mentioned on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI

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phrag:

that's the one, been awhile since i set it up

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phrag:

(still never got the IR working either) =/

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Dagmar:

That's supposed to work now

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Dagmar:

http://www.kingdomsolutions.com.au/2007/09/24 . . . linuxmythtv/ <-- someone describing your exact problem near the end of the blog post

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phrag:

that's excellent, thanks Dagmar, owe you one =)

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Dagmar:

This bit on LQ http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct . . . 4/cat/myprod saying "The USB disconnect issue is supposed to be fixed with kernel 2.6.21."

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Dagmar:

when I see people reporting the same problem over and over, I go and try and *find out* what's going on with it

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Dagmar:

...even if I don't have that hardware.

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phrag:

i'm on 2.6.22.17

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phrag:

i'll go upgrade the drivers and see where i'm at =)

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phrag:

Dagmar, are we talking firmware here then ?

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Dagmar:

I would be very careful to use the absolutely most recent versions of the firmware and driver

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Dagmar:

The issue *might* actually be fixed by now

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hti_pro:

If i understand correctly, when using a capture card requiring software encoding, mythtv encodes this before writing to disk. Is there any way to control what codec it uses to encode the TV streams?

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directhex:

hti_pro, you have a choice of two

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iamlindoro__:

You can have any codec you want as long as it's RTJPEG or MPEG-4

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directhex:

hti_pro, rtjpeg, or mpeg4 (no i don't know which mpeg4)

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directhex:

you can make minor changes to the codec paramters

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GreyFoxx:

Work is in progress to let you also pick mpeg2 for software encoding, but it's not commited

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, why?

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|bsp: Why what?

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, why allow mpeg2 encoding? it still uses a funny container, so it's not as if it allows for added interop

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GreyFoxx:

Cause users ask for it, and the container could be a regular mpg file

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hti_pro:

I have a fairly low quality capture card, and both codecs seem to be using the same amount system resources, does anyone have any recommendations for improving system performance in regards to capturing/encoding

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iamlindoro__:

buy a better card ;)

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GreyFoxx:

rtjpeg uses less cpu to encode, mpeg4 looks better visually

[19:18:52]

GreyFoxx:

after that you can tweak various parameters and bitrates

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adac:

can someone tell me: how fast is switching between channels on mythtv?

[19:19:23]

GreyFoxx:

adante: Depends on a lot of factors

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iamlindoro__:

adac, Depends on the source/whether you use an external box/etc, but generally several seconds

[19:19:41]

GreyFoxx:

1 second on average for my stuff, but it can be several seconds

[19:20:11]

adac:

iamlindoro__: excternal box?

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adac:

*external

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iamlindoro__:

yes

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directhex:

i wonder why mythfrontend on windows has a garbage window title

[19:20:30]

iamlindoro__:

IR blasting an external STB...

[19:21:02]

adac:

iamlindoro__: so you mean an external fontend?

[19:21:10]

iamlindoro__:

No, I mean a Set top box

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adac:

iamlindoro__: and if I use tv card?

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iamlindoro__:

let's simplify: Several seconds.

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adac:

iamlindoro__: lol

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hti_pro:

GreyFoxx: when adjusting bitrates for the encoding mythtv says it can have bad effects, is there a guide somewhere that will help me decide what to change and how much

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iamlindoro__:

Gotta use the Columbus method!

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directhex:

also, AV sync seems buggered on windows

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hti_pro:

alright thanks

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GreyFoxx:

hti_pro: I haven't used a software card in along long long time. But I would image there is something in the wiki

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iamlindoro__:

directhex, It's the ghost in the machine protesting

[19:27:12]

directhex:

iamlindoro__, i keep the magic smoke topped up, it can quit bitchin'

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GreyFoxx:

hti_pro: and settings will vary a lot depending on the card, the tuner on the card, and the quality of your incoming signal

[19:27:38]

GreyFoxx:

many people end up tweaking them for a while until they get what they are happy with

[19:27:59]

directhex:

or move to digital :p

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iamlindoro__:

^^^ Yes!

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xris:

hti_pro: btw, check out these guys who do commercial mythtv-based boxes: http://www.monolithmc.com/

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directhex:

amd in an ugly box? :/

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directhex:

"MonolithMC, Inc. uses SchedulesDirect for all it's channel guide needs" – erm... whut? commercial use of SD?

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GreyFoxx:

That's a nifty looking case/mb

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hti_pro:

that is much appreciated xris, I am sure that it will help in my own business venture

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directhex:

the connector arrangement looks neat. the case looks icky imho

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GreyFoxx:

Its the back of it that I'm looking at heh

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xris:

directhex: yeah, we know. we're working with them to either get TMS to give us permission to sell memberships through them, or get them hooked up with TMS directly.

[19:32:51]

xris:

right now they just have their customers sign up through SD like any other mythtv user would, so it's mostly ok

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directhex:

other than being a royal pain in the ass for the end user

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hti_pro:

So if the programming guide subscription is left up to the customer then SD is ok with that? What if I act as a proxy and sign customers up, with their info, just as a courtesy without making money off of the subscription

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Dagmar:

There isn't any need to do that

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xris:

hti_pro: you can't act as a proxy

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Dagmar:

The moment the word "customer" comes into play, that pretty much rules out SD I suspect

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xris:

pretty much... well, more like "the instant that the end user is not dealing directly with SD"

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xris:

since SD sells memberships, not subscriptions.

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xris:

and TMS doesn't currently let us sell through any commercial entities

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xris:

we're trying to work on that, though... to create a separate subscription program (with slightly higher prices) for businesses who want to resell listings data to their customers

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directhex:

just give them another twelvety billion

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xris:

TMS supposedly has a low-volume pricing plan for small businesses, but not everyone at TMS seems to know how to work with it.. so part of the work is just figuring out what kind of pricing TMS can offer.

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hti_pro:

that is somewhat a pain. But then again it could be seen as a benefit. It would sever future reliance on the installer (me) if the customer so wished to do so. The customer could then maintain the box themselves without definite need for the original equipment provider to be involved

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xris:

since SD has no interest in working with commercial groups if they can get similar pricing directly from TMS.

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directhex:

eleventeen billion?

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xris:

directhex: it's "many thousands" and "monthly"

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directhex:

was that paid up front at the beginning?

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xris:

monthly

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xris:

no setup fee.. just a deposit, which we got back this month as a credit on our bill

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xris:

I think for the services that they provide, the price is pretty decent.. it's just that SD's members are FAR more technical and proactive any other group TMS has dealt with, so we've basically broken their support process with the volume of requests.

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xris:

which TMS admits is sort of good for them, since it teaches them how to be better all around.

[19:46:23]

xris:

but it's still a slow-moving process

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directhex:

the price sounds reasonable, actually

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directhex:

i was wondering whether anyone had any sleepless nights after seeing a bunch of cash go bye-bye from their personal accounts

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xris:

I've become pretty desensitized to money after writing the TMS payment check every month.

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hti_pro:

I have one config related issue and I'll leave you guys to your discussion. I read that XvMC is supposed to reduce system resource usage during playback. No matter what I use for playback My cpu usage is around 50% for Xorg and about 25% for myth-frontend. Would this be an issue with my video card driver, card not supporting XvMC? any ideas

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GreyFoxx:

hti_pro: XvMC is only useful for mpeg2

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directhex:

and only for certain drivers

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GreyFoxx:

so if you are using a softwre encoding card, with rtjpeg/mpeg4 it wont be able to use XvMC

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hti_pro:

this combined with a software encoding card using about 40% cpu adds up to a hell of a problem. any ideas for reducing cpu usage on playback

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GreyFoxx:

what sort of cpu are you running this on ?

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hti_pro:

celerong 2GHz with 768MB Ram

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directhex:

as GreyFoxx says, you can't use xvmc for software cards

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hti_pro:

single core

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iamlindoro__:

It's not a CPU so much as 1000 abacuses being run by acient kung fu monks

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directhex:

only digital tv or a mpeg encoder card

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GreyFoxx:

Wow, and a single software card is using 40% just for reecording?

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hti_pro:

about that

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GreyFoxx:

That's crazy

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directhex:

that's excessive

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GreyFoxx:

My PIII 700's could use a software card and watch it at the same time

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hti_pro:

of course this is the backend cpu usage, I don't know if it is just recording or other tasks running, I don't have comm flagging turned on

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directhex:

p4 celeron sucks, but still

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GreyFoxx:

hti_pro: That's still pretty excessive

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hti_pro:

i have a very low budget and I am trying to make the best out of what i got

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GreyFoxx:

hehe soon we will get all of the QT4 questions

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mirak:

G4 400 mhz cannot

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mirak:

anyone uses powerpc here ?

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hti_pro:

also will the master backend offload capture jobs to slave backends if necessary

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, given what myth/win32 is like (which i largely blame on qt3/win32), can i join in?

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GreyFoxx:

hti_pro: The capture happens in whatever backend has the card

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directhex:

mirak, 400mhz g4 is too weak to be useful for media

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GreyFoxx:

hti_pro: So if the card is in the slaves it can be used

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GreyFoxx:

hti_pro: I have multiple backends with multiple tuners in each and it works just fine

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|bsp: Well, the QT4 branch was merged a few minutes ago to trunk

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iamlindoro__:

Dum dum DUMMMMMM!

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hti_pro:

GreyFoxx: is there a way to set which tuner has priority

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GreyFoxx:

a bigass commit message just went out

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GreyFoxx:

hti_pro: Yes you can do it in mythtv-setup and in the recording rules themselves

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hti_pro:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|bsp: So this might make the win32 port easier. but I don't know enough about tthe win32 efforts to really say

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iamlindoro__:

cue the "I just updated to current SVN and mythtv is broken and I didn't back up my database and I have to watch General hospital in three minutes and you KNOW how I get when I can't watch my stories!"

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hti_pro:

thanks alot guys I will let you be now. I am sure I will be back at another time. I love mythtv but there are just so many questions.

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Well hopefully they will fail at the compile stage ;)

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iamlindoro__:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

hti_pro: It's a big subject and since it's so flexible it varries for everyone

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daswork:

I'm using mythvideo with mplayer and the remote doesn't work.

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daswork:

It works under myth proper, just not under mythvideo

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daswork:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remo . . . _config_file <- The configuration is here.

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daswork:

I'm running mythtv with lirc support built in.

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GreyFoxx:

daswork: Since you are using an external app you will need to ato make sure than mplayer has lirc support, and has+finds it's own config file

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GreyFoxx:

mythvideo isn't invovled in that at all :)

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daswork:

Ah.

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daswork:

So mplayer needs a seperate configuration file.

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daswork:

Gotcha.

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GreyFoxx:

I think mplayer will look in ~/.lircrc

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GreyFoxx:

but myth looks for ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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daswork:

Can mplayer use a .lircrc without irexec running?

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GreyFoxx:

I have 1 file and just symlink it myself

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GreyFoxx:

if mplayer is compiled with lirc support it wouldn't need irexec

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daswork:

GreyFoxx: Could I see that example?

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GreyFoxx:

daswork: www.phaze.org/mythtv/lircrc

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GreyFoxx:

oroginal was from the wiki's MCE page

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daswork:

GreyFoxx: Oddly, the wiki MCE's page doesn't include the mplayer stuff. :o

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daswork:

But suggests symlinking it from .mythtv/lircrc to .lircrc

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GreyFoxx:

yeah that

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GreyFoxx:

s what I do

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GreyFoxx:

then just 1 file to edit

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daswork:

You still using a MCE?

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killaz:

hi I hav mythtv runing smoothly now, but I have only one problem that I can not solve: removal of the blackborders around the screen when watching TV

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GreyFoxx:

daswork: Yup

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killaz:

the whole MythTV runs full screen without border, but as soon as I go to the Live TV I get a black border...

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daswork:

Let me try that then.

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GreyFoxx:

killaz: video is generally transmitted with a border around it

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GreyFoxx:

that's where overscan comes in

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killaz:

GreyFoxx: and how can I enable overscan in MythTV. And I'm talking about huge borders...

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GreyFoxx:

killaz: There are options in the frontend playback settings for having myth do it, and it can be done usually fwith your video card drivers

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GreyFoxx:

ever since I moved to a flatscreen and projector I don't use any overscan anymore

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xris:

usually best to use the video card drivers for that kind of stuff

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killaz:

GreyFoxx: right now I have a pc cable to my LCD TV so my TV like a monitor..

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killaz:

act like

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GreyFoxx:

killaz: So do mine

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killaz:

and when watching the MythTV menu I dont have a black border only when watching TV

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GreyFoxx:

killaz: Widescreen LCD ?

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GreyFoxx:

4:3 Recordings ?

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killaz:

so I dont think the problem is on the drivers/gpu

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killaz:

Right now I have set the property to 16:9 on MythTV..... but still alot of blackborder. The signal varies here some channel are 16:9 some 4:3

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killaz:

Widescreen LCD yup

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GreyFoxx:

do yo uhave a border even on the widescreen stuff?

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GreyFoxx:

I have large black borders on my 4:3 content (of course) but not on the widescreen stuff

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killaz:

yup.... the border is not because of the signal it's like the internal player is not filling the whole screen

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GreyFoxx:

I'd love to see a picture or screenshot :)

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GreyFoxx:

but I have to run anyway

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killaz:

too bad

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ahbritto:

Could someone with 0.21 and a Plextor ConvertX try changing channels in LiveTV and confirm that it is broken?

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daswork:

Thanks, that's working now.

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killaz:

it looks like there is an option for mplayer for setting it to fullscreen --fullscreen

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killaz:

is there a place in MythTV to set this option?

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ahbritto:

Where do go I go create a trac account on http://cvs.mythtv.org? I can't find the link. :/

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mirak:

it's forbidden to ask about sasc-ng here ?

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killaz:

anyone know the magic config for setting mplayer in mythtv to fullscreen?

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killaz:

mirak: are you telling me that?

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mirak:

killaz: no

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XLV:

mirak, i would say on the edge

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mirak:

XLV: ? well I use it with an official card and a card reader

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mirak:

it's just that I built it on powerpc, and I can't open the device. I will try on x86 to be sure then

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XLV:

mirak, dont know sh*t about it, still building the htpc.. no dvb-s card in it yet, just an analog prv 250.. but i intend to get protected content with subscription ofcourse, so i would like to know your experience with it

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XLV:

just googled for it, seems it works

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mirak:

XLV: on powerpc ?

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XLV:

no, x86

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XLV:

mirak, dreambox?

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mirak:

XLV, no a apple mac G4 350 mhz ...

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mirak:

I should drop that shit ...

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mirak:

I would buy a 200$ wallmart PC for this, if we could buy them in France

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XLV:

i'd say its underpowered, and with latest prices of x86 hardware, its not that expensive to build a nice c2d htpc

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mirak:

what is underpowered ?

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XLV:

the g4 350...

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mirak:

lol no kidding

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mirak:

well actually I use VDR on this one,

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mirak:

because I have a full featured card, with composite output. If I buy a LCD screen, I will drop it. In fact plan to replace my main pc wich is a amd64 3000. I think I will use it as HTPC when I get a quad core

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justinh:

btw ahbritto only developers can get accounts on trac. people who want to open tickets & attach patches can register & it'll store their details (name, email address) for reference on the ticket(s)

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ahbritto:

justinh: Thank you.

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mirak:

XLV: anyway if sasc-ng work on dreambox then it's all good

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mirak:

now I don't know why it fails for me

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justinh:

hmmm some friend they turned out to be., asked how things have gone so far this year.. I mentioned the break-in & they said "shit happens". yeah great, thanks for the support. wanker

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killaz:

if there is a difference in the way MythTV show on the screen in the menu and when watching TV is this a configuration in MythTV or a vide card issue?

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justinh:

killaz: that depends on a) what the source is and b) how you're outputting it to TV

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killaz:

Right now no border in the MythTV control, but I see a border when watching TV using the Watch TV

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justinh:

killaz: you mean in 'watch recordings' and the tv guide in 'live tv' the little video preview has no border but when it's full-screen the picture isn't filling the screen?

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killaz:

justinh: No I mean that when I'm in the menu of MythTV there is no border, but when I go to the Live TV (not the preview) it's not filling the screen...

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justinh:

ahh

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justinh:

sounds like you need a little bit of overscan, in that case

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justinh:

how are you outputting the myth box to the TV?

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killaz:

via a 15 pin to 15 pin video cable..

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killaz:

it's a TV with a PC in ..

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killaz:

so it's acting as a monitor..

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justinh:

sounds like you need to crank up the overscan values in 'tv playback settings' a little in that case

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killaz:

justinh: ok where can I do that. Cause if I overscan it on the driver it will overscan it also in the correctly working MythTV menu..

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killaz:

justinh: I only need to overscan the tv playback

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iamlindoro__:

killaz, He *is* telling you exactly where

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iamlindoro__:

Why not look at the settings a bit in mythfrontend? I bet it will make sense if you just choose what seems most logical

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killaz:

with otherwords I have to look at 'TV settings'. In there they dont use the words overscan or something..... only thing I see is an option for separate video modes for GUI and TV playback

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justinh:

well folks, looks very much like glass-wide will truly never make it to the land of 0.21 compatible by my hand. I hate it

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justinh:

might go with mepo after all – I mean it was only ever the colour scheme I didn't like about it

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Hi guys... Anyone know know if the "TechoTrend S2–3600 Mpeg4 DVB-S2 USB receiver" will work in Linux and/or Myth yet? http://www.cyberestore.com/technotrend-s23600 . . . r-p-771.html (didn't find alot of useful info with google)

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A|work: the linuxtv mailing list & #linuxtv will likely know more than anybody here

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iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A|work, Hey-- I think most if not all of the S2 cards with any support at all are experimental only

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: iamlindoro__ — Thanks, guys. ;-)

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iamlindoro__:

linuxtv wiki shows it as unsupported, though

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iamlindoro__:

not that it's the most up-to-date thing in the world

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro__: Ok, so it's a "No" for now.. ;-) ...

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iamlindoro__:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TechnoT . . . nect_S2-3600

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iamlindoro__:

Some light reading there, anyway

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro__: ooh, my kind of site... pictures of the 'guts'... ;-)

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justinh:

hmmm I think I might just have something with this new idea

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Led-Hed:

anyone here using a Pico-ITX as a frontend?

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justinh:

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=11976

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justinh:

Led-Hed: ^^^^^

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Led-Hed:

justdave, reading now. thanks

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justdave:

justinh: ^^ that's probably for you

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Led-Hed:

lol

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justinh:

really? :P

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Led-Hed:

ya it was. Sorry bout that

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justdave:

heh

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justdave:

don't worry, happens all the time

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justdave:

there's a few irc clients that aren't very smart with their autocomplete :)

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Led-Hed:

ya, I just typed jus<TAB> and got dave

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jduggan:

everybody knows a dave

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jduggan:

even your irc client

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phrag:

dave is the generic tab completion default

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Led-Hed:

sux 2 B Dave

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Led-Hed:

how far do you think you could run a Lirc_Serial Cable?

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justinh:

as far as you can go before the signal degrades :P

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Led-Hed:

justinh, you are so helpful today!

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directhex:

justinh, what a great review. whoever wrote it must be a sexpot extraordinaire

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jduggan:

lmfao. directhex

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jduggan:

so the general conception is its an overpriced piece of shit?

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Led-Hed:

directhex, what review? the Pico-ITX?

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killaz:

the OSD is shaking alot.... anyone can point me where to start looking for a solution?

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Led-Hed:

killaz, Deinterlacing

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Led-Hed:

the 2 new Deinterlacers seem to do a good job, but I have the best luck with "Bob"

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phrag:

hey guys, i upgraded myth-tv

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phrag:

...and lost all my settings

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phrag:

mysql perhaps ?

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phrag:

hmm, mythbackend seems broken

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killaz:

I want to enable deinterlacing, but it seems like in the new mythtv the deinterlacing option is gone. Is there another way of solving the shaking of the OSD?

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iamlindoro_:

Deinterlacing isn't gone, it's in playback profiles

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H00chster:

GreyFoxx, you around by chance? got an MSNTV2 question

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killaz:

it's so hard to define the correct Playback profile..

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directhex:

it is?

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directhex:

i just have one

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iamlindoro_:

I have seven

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gbee:

I deleted them all and created a couple of new ones, for SD and HD content

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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iamlindoro_:

OK, ok, I have one too

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gbee:

I could really use the ability to define different profiles for different sources, need deint on PVR-150 captured material but not on DVB-T

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iamlindoro_:

That would make some of the.. erm... less advanced users' heads asplode

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gbee:

mythtv advancing the evolution of the species? :p

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iamlindoro_:

I like it

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gbee:

I know Daniel really struggled to make playback profiles simple, but it's not that easy to do

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gbee:

at least not without a lot more work

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iamlindoro_:

Once you wrap you head around it, it makes good sense I think

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hti_pr1:

i have an mpeg2 card setup on a slave backend, successfully scanned for channels and also ... cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg .... works just fine. When i open the frontend and try to watch tv it says mythtv is currently all available inputs, when I check the status i see that the tuner on the master backend is recording and the local tuner is unavailable

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hti_pr1:

any ideas

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