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Friday, March 21st, 2008, 00:04 UTC

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squish102:

in my video's section i seem to have trippled up on my videos. they appear 3 times even after i have done another scan. should i just go in to mysql and find the table and delete 2 rows per entry?

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hnitsuj:

never seen that happen

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hnitsuj:

can't think how it'd happen unless you have multiple locations for the videos

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squish102:

nope I think i only have one. but i did move them underneath myth at one stage

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squish102:

and new dvd's that I add seem to work fine

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hnitsuj:

oh dear. I seem to have forgotten how to get a directory listing of a disk on the bbc micro

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iamlindoro:

*CAT?

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hnitsuj:

haha yeah

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iamlindoro:

I cheated

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iamlindoro:

http://central.kaserver5.org/Kasoft/Typeset/BBC/Contents.html

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hnitsuj:

was just reading a bbc webpage about how the bbc micro started a revolution in home computing in the UK (it didn't actually, Sinclair did but hey).. got me thinking about some music floppies that did the rounds for a while at school

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iamlindoro__:

I may have read that article, thought that bringing it up might have something to do with it :)

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hnitsuj:

meh. broadway boogie is much more lame than I remember it :)

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Frosty-:

I used to have a sinclair, god this was years ago, it had no disk/tape, a game came as a book that you had to type in and you lost it when it was powered off

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Frosty-:

I bought a 16k memory module for it

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Frosty-:

god I cant remember the name

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hnitsuj:

zx81

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Frosty-:

thats the one!

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Frosty-:

weird thing with flat buttons

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Frosty-:

but the BBC Micro was so much mroe advanced

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Frosty-:

what else di sinclair make

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hnitsuj:

the spectrash

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hnitsuj:

then the ql

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Frosty-:

ah the zx spectrum

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hnitsuj:

then, with ICL, the OPD (one per desk)

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Frosty-:

I skipped that, I think it was C64 next

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hnitsuj:

zx81 was ace. z80 assembler or girls... z80 assembler!!!!

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Frosty-:

copying games using a dual-deck hifi

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Frosty-:

C64 used to load with pretty colours :)

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hnitsuj:

wish I'd never learned BASIC

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hnitsuj:

rots yer brain

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Frosty-:

I think BASIC was a lot of peoples first language

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Frosty-:

10 print hello 20 goto 10

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Frosty-:

line based programming is great :)

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hnitsuj:

a lot of people's first & last programming

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hnitsuj:

get some c++ down yer

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Frosty-:

did they have OO back then?

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hnitsuj:

er... not sure

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Frosty-:

C++ is a headache with managing memory management

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Frosty-:

I get so confused

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hnitsuj:

allocate the memory, use it, then free it when you're done

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Frosty-:

get by reference/value

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hnitsuj:

easier to go daft with stack in assember

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Frosty-:

java is a walk in the park next to it :)

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Frosty-:

although I have found C# easier as it adds bits of other languages that make it easier to write

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DustyBin:

id like to learn bash

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Frosty-:

plus my only experience with C++ is with Vi/nano, and C# using a predictive application

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Frosty-:

while [ 1 ]; then sleep 1; done

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** jamesd gets out a large bashing club and offers to teach advanced bash. **

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** DustyBin bashes one out **

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** Frosty- drags in the table to play whack-a-mole **

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DustyBin:

bash then php / perl then c/c++

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Frosty-:

the thing with php, perl, java and other higher level languages, everytime I change from to another I need to crash course the API again to learn the notations for for loops etc.

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DustyBin:

ive found a mythtv indexing bug in mythmusic

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jamesd:

DustyBin, so you expect to be blad, and brain scrabled... by the time you are finished.. not sure which is worse.... perl of c++ but both can be painful to debug.

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DustyBin:

lol

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DustyBin:

myth music has indexed this album like this

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DustyBin:

David Bowie – /mnt/flac/albums/David Bowie/Lets Dance/03 Let's Dance.flac

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DustyBin:

all my other albums look like this

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DustyBin:

4. Depeche Mode – It's No Good

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DustyBin:

why did that happen?

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hnitsuj:

call that a bug?

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DustyBin:

im not sure why its displaying the full path

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hnitsuj:

no tags eh

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DustyBin:

oh is that why?

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DustyBin:

the bastards could of at least tagged it before i downloaded it

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joobie:

possible to play rmvb files in myth?

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** DustyBin *coughs* **

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DustyBin:

wtf is a rmvb ?

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Frosty-:

real media

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hnitsuj:

bleh

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DustyBin:

try and play it in mplayer

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DustyBin:

if it plays in that mythvideo can play it

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Frosty-:

yeah go on, you just try!

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joobie:

heh

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joobie:

so i take it it cant support it?

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DustyBin:

does mplayer play the file?

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joobie:

havent tried

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joobie:

still downloading the file

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joobie:

it's 300mb

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DustyBin:

try then you silly sod

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Frosty-:

DustyBin, no issues from standard nova-t for 24 hours, hehe

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DustyBin:

2 days here

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DustyBin:

Encoder 1 is local on server and is not recording.

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DustyBin:

Encoder 2 is local on server and is recording: 'Used Cars' on Five US. This recording will end at 1:05 AM.

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DustyBin:

recording as we speak

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Frosty-:

no mlutirec?

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DustyBin:

what does that mean?

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Frosty-:

multirec*

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DustyBin:

?

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DustyBin:

2 tuners at once?

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Frosty-:

1 tuner can record multiple channels on the same mux

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DustyBin:

can it?!

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Frosty-:

say ITV1 and ITV2 at the same time, on 1 channel

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DustyBin:

no way

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Frosty-:

1 tuner

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Frosty-:

I mean

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Frosty-:

yeah

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DustyBin:

seriously?

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DustyBin:

how the hell do you set that up?

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PatrickDK:

if it's the same hd stream

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Frosty-:

mythtv-setup, tuner settings or whatever, little button "Recording Options"

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DustyBin:

i didnt know this!

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Frosty-:

new in 0.21, been in svn for a bit

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DustyBin:

jeeze

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Frosty-:

I have 10 tuners

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Frosty-:

or 10 encoders

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DustyBin:

NO WAY

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Frosty-:

only 2 physical tuners

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hnitsuj:

DustyBin: _W_A_Y_ !

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DustyBin:

no wonder your machine is failing all the time lol

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Frosty-:

HDD goes like a bomb when its recording 3+

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hnitsuj:

Frosty-: try 10+ from one tuner :D

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DustyBin:

fekkin heck

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hnitsuj:

recorded for 24 hours, 10+ shows

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DustyBin:

there is no need for another nova-t card

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Frosty-:

hnitsuj, I dont think it'd handle it lol

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hnitsuj:

Frosty-: oh but my shitty athlon 800 system could

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hnitsuj:

the scheduler was manic though

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DustyBin:

my pentium 3.2 should handle a few streams

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Frosty-:

I have 5 on each, but with 3 the light is on solid

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hnitsuj:

anyway there are only about 6 (max) channels worth recording on each mux

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Frosty-:

with 1 it flickers once a second

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DustyBin:

does one really watch that much TV? i dont

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hnitsuj:

DustyBin: I was only testing

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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Frosty-:

well I have myself, the misses and the kids, with 3 recording sets I can easily be recording BBC One, BBC Three, CBeebies, CITV and ITV1 at the same time

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hnitsuj:

plus it does away with the need for 3 tuners just so you don't get annoying conflicts & end up recording a show at 3am when the ravey dude is 'talking' all over it

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hnitsuj:

I hate in-vision subtitles

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Frosty-:

in-vision?

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hnitsuj:

er.. in-vision signing I mean

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MrUnagi:

hauppauge just told me that the hp rebrand of hvr-1500 which has supposedly no support.........is the same chipset and driver as the 1800 which has some support.......anyone know if thats possible?

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Frosty-:

hnitsuj, my wife is deaf, I prefer to grab those :)

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hnitsuj:

signing == ravey dude

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hnitsuj:

Frosty-: so can you tell me what's wrong with subtitles then?

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Frosty-:

in fact I have watched television with subtitles for so long I can't watch it without it

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hnitsuj:

why do they have to have the dude taking up a third of the screen ?

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DustyBin:

Frosty-: french films are good and ideal

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hnitsuj:

Frosty-: just trying to understand. somebody once told me it's for folks who can't hear or read. surely if they can be taught sign language...

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Frosty-:

Most deaf people treat english as a second language. The deaf that I know have very poor english reading/writing, but its not a rule, some are excellent. Watching a signing dude is like natural speach

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hnitsuj:

ahhh

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Frosty-:

But tbh, Clare says most the time its hit and miss

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Frosty-:

as signing has different accents, like speech does

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MrUnagi:

can you use a pci-e driver for an expresscard tuner?

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hnitsuj:

they coulda shaved a couple of shopping channels orf & put the signing people in subpictures like dvd subtitles

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Frosty-:

and cuz we are up north, she can't understand the signing from london

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hnitsuj:

Frosty-: sign language has dialects? wow

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DustyBin:

agreed, price drop tv? bid tv ?

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hnitsuj:

what's the sign for a cockney? form an 'o' with your right hand and mime a stroking action? :P

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Frosty-:

hnitsuj, yeah I thought that as well. Basic grammer is the same, but a lot of nouns are different all over

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Frosty-:

hnitsuj, lol probably

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Frosty-:

hnitsuj, when I go to the chip shop, I sign "battered sausage" by smacking my fist to my palm and then 'wanker'

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Frosty-:

I don't know true BSL, that has its own rules, I have taught myself the equivalent of SSE, which is Signing Supported English, I just sign each word as I speak it, but BSL is a completely new grammer structure

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hnitsuj:

anyway MrUnagi – very few pci-e tuners work in linux & support is very new. it's also very experimental (take that as meaning probably doesn't work properly yet)

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hnitsuj:

MrUnagi: for a more complete picture check the wiki at linuxtv.org

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MrUnagi:

i keep reading that my particular model has half support........meaning digital works but i cant seem to get even that to tune

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hnitsuj:

Frosty-: interesting. well, I know to try & avoid those timeslots to miss the ravey dudes now ;)

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hnitsuj:

Frosty-: remember watching Top Of The Pops with 888 subtitles on many moons ago... "Yousson Dour sings in French..." lazy arses

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Frosty-:

haha

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Frosty-:

subtitles spoil the surprise

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hnitsuj:

so do uk_rt guide descriptions :P

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Frosty-:

And the winner is ............. Shirley

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DustyBin:

do you remember those video recorders where you can bar code scan the tv show you want to record? i always wanted one of those

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zabadapp:

closed captions are very high up in the image, and when changing aspect they move up even higher ... looks rather weird with the subs in the middle of the screen :(

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Frosty-:

I remember somethingPLUS

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DustyBin:

yes

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Frosty-:

that number you typed in

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DustyBin:

what was it

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Frosty-:

hmm, trying to google fu it but can't :o

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MrUnagi:

i dont remember anything like that DustyBin

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Frosty-:

I think it was a UK thing

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MrUnagi:

oooooh

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DustyBin:

videoplus

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DustyBin:

http://tallyho.bc.nu/~steve/videoplus.html

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MrUnagi:

never made it to the US i guess

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Frosty-:

VideoPlus, nice one :)

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Frosty-:

according to that article it was VCR+ in the states

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hnitsuj:

videoplus, patented

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DustyBin:

i rememeber setting up times manually on my big massive silver vcr

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DustyBin:

it was a pain

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MrUnagi:

i remember our vcr always flashing 1200

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MrUnagi:

lol

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Frosty-:

And then you had to put it on standby or it wouldnt record

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DustyBin:

it was a big ferguson

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MrUnagi:

omg Frosty- yes!

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MrUnagi:

if it was on it wouldnt record

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Frosty-:

always caught my parents out

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DustyBin:

lol yes

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MrUnagi:

whats a vcr

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MrUnagi:

lol!

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DustyBin:

lol

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DustyBin:

video recorder

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MrUnagi:

technically

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MrUnagi:

video cassette recorder

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MrUnagi:

burn!

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MrUnagi:

:D

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Chicago:

I switched to kernel 2.6.24-gentoo-r3 and now my VBI CC from IVTV is garbled.

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Chicago:

Anybody else have bad CC on a 2.6.24 kernel with IVTV drivers?

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DustyBin:

a lot of people seem to be having problems with the .24 kernel

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Frosty-:

is there something in .24 that you need?

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squidly:

Chicago: nope

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DustyBin:

that linus bloke is getting sloppy

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squidly:

though you are using gentoo sources. They have a lot of "special" patches

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squidly:

did you try the vanilla sources?

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Chicago:

DustyBin: The 24 kernel actually autodetected some NEC chips on my hauppauge encoder which improve the visual quality.

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Chicago:

squidly: I have not tried vanilla sources.

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Chicago:

Frosty: I don't NEED 24... but it did just get marked stable for x86 on Gentoo... (which I run)

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DustyBin:

Chicago: you could install those drivers manually on a older kernel

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squidly:

Chicago: try those. That i swhat I use on my server

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squidly:

Chicago: actually I have a lot of problems with the gentoo sources. That is why I dont use them

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squidly:

There patches break a lot of things for me

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DustyBin:

gentoo sounds like a messy distro to use

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squidly:

Linux courtyard 2.6.24.2

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Chicago:

squidly: I do all my testing on gentoo-sources.

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DustyBin:

you need odd patches to get things working and stuff breaks a lot

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squidly:

DustyBin: no need to flame.

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squidly:

DustyBin: the gentoo sources quite often just have some patches backported

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Frosty-:

the whole compile thing is interesting actually, I think I can make room for another VM

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DustyBin:

ok

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Chicago:

Frosty: The compiling is nice... because instead of your code being optimized for 386 or 686... you get to optimize for your particular chip.

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squidly:

Chicago: that is the kernel I use. If you dont mind me asking why do you use the gentoo sources

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Frosty-:

Yeah thats a great feature

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Chicago:

squidly: I use the gentoo sources because they are supported in #gentoo

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Frosty-:

Does the installer use -j for multi-threaded compile? must take a while to install

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squidly:

Chicago: for the most part that is not that huge of a benefit. I use the source based for the 64bit systems.

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squidly:

Chicago: I like to be able to go back to the LKM if I have issues ;)

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** DustyBin wonders how long it would take to install mythtv on a slackware system from scratch **

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Chicago:

I have a stability issue with APIC I am trying to kill off at the moment.

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Chicago:

I'm hoping fixing a spurious interrupt issue will fix my NVP Prebuffering pauses I have been seeing.

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squidly:

DustyBin: a while. The package management system for Slack tend to be lacking.. but it should not be to hard

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DustyBin:

aye

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DustyBin:

there is no package management system at all

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DustyBin:

lol

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DustyBin:

sod that

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Chicago:

Do I need to enable " Autoselect pertinent encoders/decoders and other helper chips" in my kernel config?

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squidly:

Chicago: hmm. I'm not having any NVP prebuffering. Though my server does handel all the backend stuff. But when I had them all on my frontend I had not issues. The biggest issue I've been with gentoo is my sound sometimes knocks out

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Chicago:

squidly: Prior to 2.6.24, I was using alsa-driver...

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squidly:

Chicago: idk off the top of my head.

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Chicago:

Now I MUST build ALSA into the kernel.

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squidly:

Chicago: I use the kernel buit in ones. But I'm using 2.6.23 on my desktop

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squidly:

and Chicago alsa has been fully built in to the kernel now

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Chicago:

yeah I know it has.

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Chicago:

But I was using it as a module because with timidity some of my apps built off of it.

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squidly:

it's acutally been avaliable in the kernel sence about the 2.4 IIRC. I've been using the built in ones for quite a while

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Chicago:

They also removed the realtime security module in 2.6.24

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squidly:

Chicago: what apps?

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squidly:

yea that was a joke.

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Chicago:

How do I get realtime mode for myth now that the realtime-lsm package won't work?

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Frosty-:

nn

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squidly:

idk. I've never used that "security" module

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squidly:

I read the code on it and didnt like it. Thus I never used the Security module

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Chicago:

I don't remember which app it was that needed alsa as a module... but it was certainly something related to MIDI.

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squidly:

Chicago: I still build them as modules, even with the it in the kernel

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Chicago:

Try it on 2.6.24-gentoo-3

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Chicago:

its not an option anymore

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squidly:

Chicago: another reason why I dont use the gentoo sources

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Chicago:

Well, maybe I will try vanilla sources for this DirectFB project... I want to have my monitor deinterlace my MPEG2 by running the monitor interlaced.

[01:35:34]

Chicago:

My first try didn't work... using the NVIDIA Linux kernel...

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Chicago:

but I have a feeling the framebuffer timing will be more precise with DirectFB

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squidly:

that could be

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squidly:

I have not had much luck with FB sence the 2.4 kernel

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Chicago:

I still have stupid IRQ issues affecting myth performance.

[01:40:11]

squidly:

Chicago: what kind of mobo?

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Chicago:

ivtv0 and ivtv1 are on different interrupts... and I either have a crappy network card or problems with APIC.

[01:40:17]

Chicago:

ASUS

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Chicago:

VIA KT266

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squidly:

eww..

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squidly:

that NB sucks.

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Chicago:

ya

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Chicago:

but my brother didn't need the box anymore so I have him $50 for it and spent $50 on ram... and now its a backend... it came in a pretty silverstone HTPC chasses

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Chicago:

chassis

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squidly:

most boards that I've worked on linux with those chips have issues

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squidly:

nice

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Chicago:

I have to run with the irqpoll option on the kernel init

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squidly:

I've been looking at those for my diskless frontend

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squidly:

Chicago: I have to do that with my sli cards, but that's a known issue with SLI cards

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Chicago:

There are actually errors that show up when I 'cat /proc/interrupts'

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Chicago:

and my dmesg output complains about Spurious interrupt... IRQ 7

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squidly:

wow

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squidly:

that's bad

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Chicago:

errors dont show up until I'm doing lots of interrupts... like encoding on ivtv0 and ivtv1 while using the network card sharing an IRQ with ivtv1 to server a frontend.

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squidly:

Chicago: cant you use the bios to change the irq of the nic or the card?

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squidly:

most of them let you

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Chicago:

I cannot remember whether I previously fixed it by omitting ACPI from the kernel... or by specifying an IRQ in the BIOS...

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Chicago:

So... now that I have the new kernel to toy with, I have to figure out again what I did to fix it.

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squidly:

heh

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squidly:

that sucks

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Chicago:

I know I leave PnP off in the BIOS... and it seems the only way to keep PnP out of the kernel is to remove ACPI

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squidly:

ACPI can modify the IRQ's IIRC

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Chicago:

But... what do you know about the PCI access method...

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Chicago:

I choose "any"

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Chicago:

There are other options like BIOS or direct

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Chicago:

Anyways... this must all be related to the VBI CC being garbled now in 2.6.24 for me.

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jkr11222:

I started recording something from my vcr. Unfortunately, it had no name, channel, etc because I just set up a dummy channel list. Now I can't stop the recording. Using 0.20

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jkr11222:

On the delete recodings page, it is blank.

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** hnitsuj plays with his orchestra-90 cartridge **

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jkr11222:

okay got it — sorry. Had to sort the video page differently.

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mlieber:

Im looking to build a cheap/low power consumption quiet client linuxMCE box ... has anyone haere had experience with this ?

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cesman:

mlieber: provide more details

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cesman:

mlieber: are you looking for SD? HD?

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johndbritton:

i've got audio coming in on tuner1 but not on tuner2 (both tuners are on a happauge PVR500)

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xris:

cesman: have the knopmyth disk images been updated for .21?

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jams:

xris- still in testing, no public release

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xris:

any thoughts on how long until one is available?

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cesman:

depends on how fast I can find the issue w/ nvidia chipsets/PATA/libata

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jams:

cesman would need to answer that one.

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** cesman has ;) **

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xris:

ah

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xris:

it takes about a week and a half to get a DVD printed. call it 2 weeks with shipping times.

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xris:

I guess it wouldn't be hard to build a disk with the current stuff, and the upgrade it later.

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xris:

I need kormoc to help with that boot loader stuff, anyway

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johndbritton:

# v4l2-ctl -d /dev/video1 -C mute returns mute 1

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johndbritton:

# v4l2-ctl -d /dev/video1 -c mute=0 doesn't have any effect

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mcquaid:

regarding the backup/restore listed here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . _Maintenance

[03:01:46]

mcquaid:

i'm going to backup my database and do a fresh install which will have .21. currently on .20

[03:02:08]

mcquaid:

do i have to do anything different in backing up when going from .20 -> .21

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squish102:

well i have no idea, but y not back up .20, then upgrade to .21 then backup again, then do a fresh install?

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mzb_d800:

0.21 (fixes?) has db backup (auto) when upgrading from 0.20

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mcquaid:

well, i won't be doing an upgrade, i'll be formatting this part and doing a fresh install, so I would have to manually backup

[03:19:51]

mcquaid:

just wanted to make sure there is nothing else i should do

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mzb_d800:

I just did a make uninstall in my old src dir(s), a make install in the new src dir(s), did a manual db backup, and then pushed the ON button ;)

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** cesman thought the docs state 'make distclean' not 'make uninstall' **

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mcquaid_:

yeah... i definitely won't be upgrading. i was planning on doing a fresh install, so i won't have a transitional upgrade process

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mcquaid_:

basically totally delete, fresh install of .21 and then i wanted to restore my db

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mcquaid_:

hoping the backup outlined in the myth wiki is sufficient for going from one version to another

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cesman:

and what is wrong w/ that process?

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mcquaid_:

nothing that i know of. I was just asking if that process of backing up is sufficient for backing up a .20 db and restoring once .21 is installed

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mcquaid_:

just thought i should ask if there are any caveats in restoring a db from .20 when do a fresh install of .21

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s0be:

Can someone try to reproduce a problem I'm having for me? mythvideo seems to fail on files with $ in the file name.

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s0be:

it looks like it's not escaping the file names, just quoting them, which would then allow the shell to do variable expansion on the $

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dramman:

Do the following do hardware encoding? AVerTV Hybrid+FM PCI (A16A or A16D), LeadTek WinFast DTV1000 (S or T)

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Anduin:

s0be: It looks that way

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s0be:

k, so it's not just insanity on my part.

[05:02:33]

s0be:

I'll create a bug, thanks for confirming

[05:04:25]

Anduin:

s0be: You should be able to fix it in metadata.cpp: getPlayCommand

[05:04:55]

s0be:

yeah, was just starting to dig, but thanks for pointing me in the right direction

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iamlindoro__:

dramman: All those cards are digital tuners. Digital tuners don't need hardware encoding.

[05:05:33]

iamlindoro__:

Also, only 1/2 of the four cards you mentioned work in Linux.

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dramman:

iamlindoro: thanks, which ones work with MythTV?

[05:07:09]

iamlindoro__:

dramman: Any which work properly in Linux. Look for your cards on the linuxtv.org DVB wiki for information.

[05:09:49]

dramman:

I'm confused by your comment that digital tuners don't need hardware encoding – why does the table at mythtv.org/wiki list a whole heap of HDTV cards as having no hardware encoder?

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iamlindoro__:

dramman: Digital television gets encoded at the broadcaster end. Read up on digital television broadcasting to learn more. Digital tuners simply tune an MPEG-2 or h.264 stream and dump it onto the disk.

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iamlindoro__:

There are a few card (mostly unsupported in linux) which have dual tuners, both an analog and a digital, and a very few of those have hardware encoders for the analog sid, but I only know of two and both have only experimental analog support and are not DVB cards.

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iamlindoro__:

But *no* digital tuner will ever have a hardware encoder because it is 100% unnecessary, it's already been done before broadcast.

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dramman:

okay, thanks

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s0be:

Anduin, ticketed with patch. Thanks for helping me verify

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FinnTux:

how can I change subtitle font size in mythvideo?

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nbags:

When my mythbox is doing commercial flagging, watching live tv (or recordings) becomes jumpy. This is on a dualcore machine, and the commflagging doesn't even max out 1 cpu so I assume the jumpiness is from IO congestion. Is there anything I can do about this without having to buy more/faster drives?

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nbags:

I've tried running 'ionice -c3' on the mythcommflag processes but that didn't seem to help

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nbags:

i only have this problem with high-def recordings

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nbags:

can i slow down the commercial flagging somehow?

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spinoza:

hi – i have a problem with resolution on a brand new 42 inch screen, running ubuntu gutsy. it's 16:9, but I cannot get X to do a good 16:9 resolution

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Zombie:

On Ubuntu I'm not sure,

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Zombie:

What does your system resolution say it is?

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Zombie:

1650x1500

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AcTiVaTe:

That sounds strange

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AcTiVaTe:

That would be a square box almost

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spinoza:

the TV doc says it could run at wxga at 1366x768

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AcTiVaTe:

1680x1050 you mean I guess

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spinoza:

right now it runs at 1024 x 768

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spinoza:

I have set 1366x768 manually as the only mode in xorg.conf.....

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AcTiVaTe:

spinoza: Then it would help to see what /var/log/Xorg.0.log is saying about that

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spinoza:

which makes me confused – how come it runs at 1024 now....

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spinoza:

ok

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AcTiVaTe:

myth.pastebin.com it pls

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spinoza:

how many lines...?

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spinoza:

ok....chose a snippet that seems to be relevant, pasted now

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spinoza:

and here is my xorg.conf http://myth.pastebin.com/m15c50ea5

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spinoza:

the /var/log/Xorg.0.log is at http://myth.pastebin.com/m5e65bc42

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spinoza:

AcTiVaTe, any ideas? was it a relevant snippet?

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AcTiVaTe:

looking now

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spinoza:

ok

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AcTiVaTe:

Hmz

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AcTiVaTe:

From googling it seems you can try with 1360x786

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spinoza:

aha

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spinoza:

in xorg.conf?

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spinoza:

786? or 768?

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AcTiVaTe:

1360x786

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spinoza:

right, trying now

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AcTiVaTe:

ow wait

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AcTiVaTe:

spinoza: make that 1360x768

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AcTiVaTe:

typo's ftw ;)

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spinoza:

:)

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spinoza:

but....

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AcTiVaTe:

or 1368

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spinoza:

:)

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AcTiVaTe:

Since nvidia can't seem to handle 1366

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spinoza:

1368 x 768?

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spinoza:

1360 seems not to work

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spinoza:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1368x768"; removing.

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spinoza:

1368 x 768 seems not to work either...

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spinoza:

does it matter that the line above this, it says "Display Device: CRT-0"?

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AcTiVaTe:

Hmz

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AcTiVaTe:

And you are trying for your TV?

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spinoza:

my TV, panasonic 42 inch

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spinoza:

plasma

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AcTiVaTe:

So DFP and not CRT?

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spinoza:

well, do not know what DFP is

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spinoza:

but it is not a CRT screen

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AcTiVaTe:

CRT = Cathode Ray Tube

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AcTiVaTe:

Old style TV and monitors

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AcTiVaTe:

DFP = Digital Flat Panel

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spinoza:

ok, then DFP, but not LCD

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AcTiVaTe:

Though devices connected with the SUB-D connector are still consideded as CRT rather then DFP

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spinoza:

i have a standard VGA cable

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spinoza:

not dvi or hdmi cable

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AcTiVaTe:

You can try Option "UseEDID" "FALSE"

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AcTiVaTe:

But no idea if it's even giving an EDID to use in 1st place

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spinoza:

in section?

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AcTiVaTe:

Screen

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AcTiVaTe:

or just specify a Modeline for 1368x768 or something

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AcTiVaTe:

It can't do 1920x1080?

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spinoza:

there is a modline, in the screen section, where I specify this resolution – is that what you mean by Modeline?

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AcTiVaTe:

Modeline "1360x768" 85.800 1360 1400 1534 1800 768 771 781 794

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AcTiVaTe:

That's a modeline I found on the net

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spinoza:

see the pasted xorg.conf

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AcTiVaTe:

Yours just had a Modes line

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AcTiVaTe:

Not a Modeline line ;)

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spinoza:

:)

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AcTiVaTe:

Tho it can still get discarded as not valid

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spinoza:

do I substitute my Modes line for the Modeline line?

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AcTiVaTe:

No

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spinoza:

where should the modeline line go then?

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AcTiVaTe:

In the section

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AcTiVaTe:

SubSection "Display"

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AcTiVaTe:

just add it below Modes

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spinoza:

ok, trying that

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spinoza:

let me add the Mode 1920 x 1080 as well, to try

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AcTiVaTe:

Should be a supported HD resolution

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spinoza:

this is more "HD ready" than "full HD", if that matters

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AcTiVaTe:

What's the model?

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spinoza:

TH-42PX80E

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AcTiVaTe:

Hmz

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spinoza:

brand new model

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spinoza:

follwing up the TH-42PX70E, I believe most specs are the same as that

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AcTiVaTe:

Why not using DVI btw?

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spinoza:

eh-..... no idea, never used it

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AcTiVaTe:

ie. why hook up your digital screen analogue?

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AcTiVaTe:

only enlarges possible problems I'd say.

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spinoza:

just bought the TV yesterday, and have no good answer to that

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AcTiVaTe:

Well, guess it can help by reading the posts

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spinoza:

that is: yeah, i think it is stupid..:)

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spinoza:

posts?

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AcTiVaTe:

Just googling away on HDTV and xorg.conf and stuff ;)

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spinoza:

yeah, i guess that is a good thing – just: is there a default way to make dvi-hdmi work? like dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?

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spinoza:

and: since I do not have the right cables – for today I am stuck with vga cable.... woudl there be no way to make it work in 16:9, whatever the resolution?

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AcTiVaTe:

Hmz

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AcTiVaTe:

Option "TVStandard" "HD720p"

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AcTiVaTe:

Dunno if that can make a diff

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spinoza:

where?

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AcTiVaTe:

or HD576i

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AcTiVaTe:

In Screen section I guess

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AcTiVaTe:

Aha!

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AcTiVaTe:

Option "ExactModeTimingsDVI" "true"

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spinoza:

using DVI-cable?

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AcTiVaTe:

But guessing that option requires a DVI or HDMI cable

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AcTiVaTe:

Got it from here

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AcTiVaTe:

http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-521888.html

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AcTiVaTe:

Can't help more I gues

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AcTiVaTe:

No HDTV ;)

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spinoza:

now i solved it......

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spinoza:

i moved the modline to section monitor, and then the nvidia-settings program allowed me to set the res to 1360x768

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spinoza:

;)

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spinoza:

next step: dvi

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spinoza:

thx a lot!!!

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AcTiVaTe:

=)

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AcTiVaTe:

Glad I was able to help ;)

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AcTiVaTe:

Reassures me for when I buy my HD (ready) screen ;)

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spinoza:

see you... guess I'll be back with the issues of dvi/hdmi...:)

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DustyBin:

Cron Daemon 8:00 am Cron <root@server> /etc/init.d/mythbackend restart

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hnitsuj:

damnit. no water!

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directhex:

your water was stolen last night

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hnitsuj:

ahh that'll explain it then

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hnitsuj:

oh well I'll just have to look like grizzly adams when I go to collect my car

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hnitsuj:

this happened last bank holiday too. hope it's back on soon or I'll be fit to go to a linux expo :P

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DustyBin:

hnitsuj: you need some brown sandles for that

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hnitsuj:

heheh

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hnitsuj:

damn. and I just realised I don't own a ketchup-stained t-shirt

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DustyBin:

lol

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directhex:

sandals are only acceptable with thick wooly socks

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hnitsuj:

heh very true. and they have to be beige

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directhex:

also, t-shirts must be XKCD-themed

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hnitsuj:

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png is my favourite

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galorin:

I'm trying to reconfigure my backend, but when running mythtv-setup over ssh I get a Segmentation Fault (ubuntu)

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DustyBin:

"...you might as well skip the Xmas celebration completely, and instead sit in front of your linux computer playing with the all-new-and-improved linux kernel version." — Linus Torvalds

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hnitsuj:

segfault eh? not much you can do to stop that unless you get an idea _why_ it's segfaulting. try it with -v all

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hnitsuj:

DustyBin: yeah I know. I mean linux is the best thing to happen to humanity... like EVER

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galorin:

wo.. not a lot of info there.. Unable to register terminal service: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-ao9pjOCv9O: Connection refused

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hnitsuj:

I can never work out what's so bad about having to connect a monitor to set up a backend

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hnitsuj:

.. or use vnc :)

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galorin:

Monitor is busted, and only working display I have is permanently attached to a laptop

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hnitsuj:

or better still, freenx :)

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mjj29:

ssh -X normally

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mjj29:

for me

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hnitsuj:

forwarding X over ssh isn't much cop for being really remote though.. no compression, see

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mjj29:

well, depends _how_ remote you are

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mjj29:

I'm assuming same-building. Do many people setup myth backends from a different continent?

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galorin:

Same building over wifi

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hnitsuj:

mjj29: I sometimes decide I can't wait to change something when I'm at work ;)

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hnitsuj:

anyway... sounds like it's not mythtv-setup's fault

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galorin:

I'llreboot the box and see what happens

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galorin:

Ahh, serious redraw lag!!!

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galorin:

ok, without mythtv-setup happy, can I change things by hand?

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hnitsuj:

depends. not recommended though

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galorin:

just changing server port from 127.0.0.1 to 10.0.0.3

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galorin:

darned ubuntu packages. so far mythtv-setup.real is working, mythtv-setup is a bash script that does stuff like stopping backends, running mythfilldatabase, etc

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galorin:

Now to find the docs for setting up a frontend-ony system

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th1:

so in Myth0.21 in the DVD players audio track selection, now it has e.g. "English LIBA2 5.1ch" and "Englis DCA 5.1ch" where it used to have "English Dolby Digital" and "English DTS" whats up with that?

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DustyBin:

this weekend im going to save the environemnt

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DustyBin:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ACPI_Wakeup

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leprasmurf:

Hey all, quick question. how can I set mythtv to display the input from component in on a hauppauge 150 if I have something plugged into the coax input as well?

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leprasmurf:

such as to display the output of a vcr or dvd player in mythtv

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th1:

leprasmurf, the 150 doesn't have component in

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leprasmurf:

component == a/v (red, white, yellow)?

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th1:

but if you mean the Video In then it's showing as a separate source in the channel editor

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leprasmurf:

sorry, it's been a long day if I've got my terminology mixed up

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th1:

the card has an analogue tuner and an AV input yes

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th1:

they are shown as separate sources in the setup

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th1:

you just have to define the AV input as a channel

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leprasmurf:

yeah, I saw the multiple inputs associated with the tuner

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leprasmurf:

oh, create a channel for it?

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th1:

yes

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leprasmurf:

cool, let me give that a try, ty

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leprasmurf:

th1: would you happen to know off hand what to set for "channel number" or "xmltvid:"?

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directhex:

component is 3 video plugs. red, green, blue (though the signals aren't red, green & blue)

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directhex:

you're thinking of composite (yellow)

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leprasmurf:

directhex: composite, ok. like I said, long day:-)

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th1:

leprasmurf, those are not needed for that input

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leprasmurf:

th1: I wonder if I did something wrong. I went to the backend setup, channel editor, (new channel)

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th1:

leprasmurf, just play around with it until it works ;)

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th1:

that's what we all have to do

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th1:

and when you get it to work you'll know myth tv better :)

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leprasmurf:

thanks anyway

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th1:

leprasmurf, read this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=369898

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th1:

even if its for pvr-350 the same applies

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leprasmurf:

ty

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orko:

hi. anybody using multirec in germany ?

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orko:

After updating to 0.21 mythmusic seems not to work. if i click an the music menu entry nothing happens. Same with the configuration menu entries of the music plugin.

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orko:

is there any logfile i can have a look?

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orko:

why it does not start mythmsuic

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fizban99:

hi...i'm running kubuntu gutsy, trying to install mythtv, following the guide at http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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fizban99:

when i click "mythtv backend setup – mythtv-setup" from the system menu, it prompts

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fizban99:

"mythtv backend must be closed..." i click yes, it prompts... "would you like to run mythfilldatabase" i click yes, it goes away and nothing seems to happen

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fizban99:

so i guess my question is: how do i get the setup screen to come up?

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fizban99:

hmm ok when i launch it from the shell it says "/usr/bin/mythtv-setup: 38: xterm: not found"

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fizban99:

so i did "sudo apt-get install xterm" and now it's goin

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Kazan:

BD+ = busted

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jarle_:

orko, just look at the output from the frontend...

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galorin:

rats, I got my seperate frontend installed, but it locks up when I try to watch recorded TV. I get the little preview video going about 5 seconds after the watch recordings page loads

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xand:

I have two dvb-t tuners, and for some reason one of them gets really poor reception on one mux, so can I get mythtv to not use one of the cards for certain channels? aside from that, both cards should record the same channels

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xand:

this only happened since I rebooted the machine yesterday :|

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nordle:

hello. I'm fiddling with my panel again. It can do 1:1 pixel mapping at 1360x768@60. But the only way I can get a tear/judder free picture is 1360x768@50. Unfortunately I lose 1:1. My question, is there a formulae to this? ie Is there any resolution I can use to achieve 1:1 but maintain 50hz?

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hnitsuj:

why does the refresh rate have anything to do with scaling?

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directhex:

hnitsuj, people still haven#t twigged that lcd doesn't have a refresh rate

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hnitsuj:

update rates, yesh

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hnitsuj:

bah no ETA on the water main repair :(

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|Torg|:

response time

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nordle:

???? What are you saying, that I'm not actually seeing tearing at 60hz and 50 is ok? I know LCD does not refresh like a CRT, but that does not change the fact that the picture is far worse at 60 than 50.

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|Torg|:

refresh rate, as we talk about it here is really vertical scan rate

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hnitsuj:

so are you saying that when you run X at 50Hz (or try to) you end up with overscan?

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hnitsuj:

check your X logs – maybe the mode you're trying to use isn't supported

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hnitsuj:

(by the graphics driver)

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nordle:

it is

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nordle:

its fine

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hnitsuj:

so how do you know you're losing 1:1 mapping then?

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** |Torg| wonders what you map 1:1 to 1360x768 anyway **

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nordle:

My background image is a 1:1 test png, its perfect at 1360x768@60 but not at 1360x768@50. But some movies tear @60, whereas they do not @50. So I'm trying to figure out if its possible to run a different res to re-gain 1:1 but @50.

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bofh80:

hi people, i'm using mythtv to record from my svideo in connection on a tv card. all is running fine. however i created a schedule to record everyday from 7 till 7. i did this by setting record time to 360minutes (couldn't figure out how to make it longer) then setting it to END 360minutes late. This was working, however i negleted the quality settings and it fillin the disk up too quick. i have set the time wrong as well. i need to record for 24 hour

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bofh80:

s a day. can someone help? i don't appear to be able to DELETE my schedule

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hnitsuj:

nordle: so what resolution is it ending up in @ 50hz?

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nordle:

I took the png from http://eirikso.com/2006/04/06/perfect-adjustment-of-your-lcd/ having read http://pixelmapping.wikispaces.com/Pixel+mapping+explained

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hnitsuj:

fwiw a little bit of overscan won't hurt, especially now as it's much easier to adjust the mythtv ui to fit

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|Torg|:

even my DLP is off by a few pixels, hardly noticable

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** directhex is confused. 1:1 specificially *means* running at 1:1 res, i.e. anything other than 1366x768 (well, 1360x768 with a few blank pixels) is, by definition, not 1:1 **

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nordle:

hnitsuj: The native resolution of this panel is 1360x768@60. It was deliberately produced this way, IIRC, to help as graphics cards tended not to handle 1366x768 as well as they do now.

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hnitsuj:

that didn't answer the question

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|Torg|:

it was DELIBERATLY made that way in an EXCUSE that noboday really watches all the pixes in a 1080I picture

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|Torg|:

its a LIE put forth by LCD makers so they can use smaller LCD screens

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directhex:

it's not 1360x768, you know. it's 1366x768

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hnitsuj:

crap. gonna have to go to the shops to buy a big bottle of water so I can have a drink with ma lunchy

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clever:

this laptop in linux appears to be a perfect 1:1 maping:)

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directhex:

the cost of producing a custom-res panel is astronomical – i.e. it'd cost more to make a 1360x768 screen than a 1980x1020 screen

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hnitsuj:

1. does it work? 2. does it look ok? good. end of story

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|Torg|:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/04/21/whats-th . . . -1366-x-768/

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clever:

o god does it ever look horid at 800x600

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clever:

EVERYTHING is fuzzy

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hnitsuj:

well duh

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clever:

its just such a major change

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hnitsuj:

native modes ftw!

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directhex:

i should eat some food.

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hnitsuj:

if the scalers in LCD panels for PCs were any cop it wouldn't be so bad ;)

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hnitsuj:

but they're not (they don't really have to be).. so there :P

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clever:

the tvout on my master myth box must be doing some scaling in the vid card

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clever:

it claims the tvout is 1024x768

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hnitsuj:

all tv outs are scaled

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hnitsuj:

the tv encoder on the graphics card does it

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clever:

why cant it claim to be 520x480 or whatever the actual output is?

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clever:

and map every row to a single scan line

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hnitsuj:

takes whatever the GPU shoves out & scales it to the size needed by the television standard

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clever:

if the gpu was set to a res that matched the standard perfectly then it would be a 1:1 maping for the scanlines atleast

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hnitsuj:

if you can make the GPU output a true pal or NTSC mode, you can get 1:1 output but there aren't many which can

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|Torg|:

clever what you have is a COMPUTER monitor masqrading as a TV

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hnitsuj:

funnily enough it's the one thing openchrome drivers are good at

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clever:

and you could leave the video interlaced on the screen and it come out as 2 seperate fields as it should be

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clever:

|Torg|: its a nvidia with composite out

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clever:

going to a crt based TV

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|Torg|:

not the card, the LCD

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hnitsuj:

clever: yeah, if video drivers identified fields properly all the time, which they don't !

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clever:

|Torg|: the LCD is on my laptop

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|Torg|:

clever: go read the setings on the mythttv wike and try one of those

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clever:

i havent played with the desktop lcd much, that pc is off atm

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|Torg|:

you are NOT going to get anythign by 720 out of it unless you overscan

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hnitsuj:

anyway time to hit the supermarket before they run out of bottled water

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clever:

the nvidia card is UNDERscaning

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clever:

and im able to easily addjust how much in a nice ui

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nordle:

directhex: ok, so if I sent it a 1366x768 signal it should work at 1366x768? Or maybe not as their software would not allow the panel to run at that res even though it was built as you say?

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clever:

the main problem is the ui is near imposible to read on the damn fuzzy ntsc

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clever:

and the crt/vga is on the other side of the room

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clever:

so i cant be at the controls and tv at once

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clever:

vnc might work

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nordle:

hnitsuj: to answer your question, its running at 1360x768@50 now.

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directhex:

nordle, the vga input will usually not accept 1366x768, for a variety of reasons. hence why all 1366x768 screens support 1360x768 over vga

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nordle:

I'm using HDMI if that makes a difference (from a DVI out on GPU).

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directhex:

yes. it makes an enormous difference

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directhex:

most 1366x768 screens on the market don't accept non-HD resolutions over HDMI, so you're into no-man's land already (i.e. they accept 720p or 1080i then rescale). 1:1 on 1366x768 screens over hdmi is very uncommon

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orko:

hi. anybody using multirec in germany ?

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nordle:

I've definitely fed it 1360@768@60 and got 1:1, I've also fed it 1920x1080@50 and its reported it as 1080p, but downscaled it, I assume to 1360x768.

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clever:

the zoom in compiz is fun!

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** clever runs it thru the test patern:P **

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nordle:

Interestingly I cant get the modeline generator to give me 1366x768, it keeps reverting to 1360x768 http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl

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clever:

1 notch on the zoom and the patern goes nuts

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clever:

and moves a good deal as i change where im zooming

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clever:

but when i go in real close the pixels become so large they are clearly visible&seperate and the artifacts start to disapear

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directhex:

nordle, really? odd. almost as if it was aleady proposed that you wouldn't be able to run 1366x768 exactly

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directhex:

nordle, any scaling done by the tv will be to 1366x768

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clever:

near 4000% zoom or something

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directhex:

clever, moire!

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

also a bug ive had in mythfrontend

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clever:

the bottom row of pixels sometimes gets stuck solid white when changing menus

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clever:

which is a very high contrast to the dark theme

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clever:

so it stands out clearly

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nordle:

directhex: I struggle to understand that, the TV spec in the manual says max resolution of 1360x768 as does the website.

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clever:

but the angle i was watching it from

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clever:

the edge of the pixels where being covered

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clever:

and a portion of the r/g/b was being hidden

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clever:

causing that 'white' line to become multicolored

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directhex:

nordle, nobody is manufacturing 1360x768 lcd panels

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nordle:

directhex: Does that imply they have done something with the onboard software then?

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directhex:

nordle, who's the manufacturer?

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nordle:

HannSpree

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th__:

directhex, LG also makes them..

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directhex:

th__, makes what?

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th__:

1360x768 lcd panels

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iamlindoro:

*everyone* makes 1366x768, not 1360

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th__:

no

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th__:

several make 1360 instead of 66

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th__:

which is why the borders are cropped off the HD image

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directhex:

strange, lg.philips lcd don't list any 1360x768 parts

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orko:

what is mythlog?

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iamlindoro:

th__: Best be providing sources

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th__:

directhex, maybe they don't sell them in parts

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th__:

but they sell monitors with it

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directhex:

th__, erm... whut?

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directhex:

lg.philips lcd don't manufacture monitors or televisions, they make panels for use in other companies' monitors and televisions. like lg. or philips. or samsung. or so on

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th__:

well I saw an LG 40" tv which had at least on the sticker 1360x768 max resolution

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directhex:

that doesn't mean anything

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th__:

but, it could be the sticker was wrong of course

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directhex:

1360x768 is the highest you can pass through vga. the lcd panel has 1366 pixels horizontally

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iamlindoro:

$5 says the panel was still 1366x768

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directhex:

iamlindoro, i raise your bet to $30

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th__:

it's probably true..

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directhex:

th__, and lg.philips lcd don't manke any 40" panels. chances are it's a samsung or somesuch

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directhex:

which is more common than you'd thinnk

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th__:

it was an LG TV, I don't know where they got the panel from

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directhex:

samsung use a lot of lg panels in their tvs

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th__:

my TV is 46" Samsung, but it's got 1920x1080 resolution

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nordle:

I cannot pass 1366, its not supported, only 1360 and lower. So its likely the firmware is stopping 1366...?

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th__:

which my media PC has no problem driving

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iamlindoro:

Supporting a resolution != panel resolution

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th__:

so does this mean that these panels will always have a 3 blank pixel border in either side?

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directhex:

if you're lucky

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th__:

and no amount of modeline tweaking will fix that?

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directhex:

some of them will only allow 1024x768 scaled (ick) or 1280x720 scaled (ick)

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th__:

hmm

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directhex:

you know how your monitor says "mode out of range" if you pass it a silly resolution?

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th__:

yeah..

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th__:

so the limitation is in the monitor's VGA circuitry?

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directhex:

yes

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th__:

ok

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th__:

I guess a VGA->HDMI converter might do the trick then

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iamlindoro:

Ewwww

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directhex:

even less likely to work

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th__:

well most TV's support the native HDTV rez's on their HDMI inputs

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** iamlindoro feels dirty just thinking of that **

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directhex:

1) you can't convert vga to hdmi in a sane manner 2) most screens' hdmi input is even more pissy than their vga input

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** Thomas- avoided all these kinds of problems by buying a lcd tv that has 1920x1080 native resolution **

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directhex:

th__, quite the reverse. most onlly allow real HD resolutions via HDMI

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th__:

ok..

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** iamlindoro suggests a propa' video card **

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th__:

maybe it internally has a VGA to HDMI converter anyway

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Thomas-:

no

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th__:

dunno

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nordle:

I'm sending DVI to HDMI and have no problem sending 1920x1080, 1360x768, 1280x1024, 1280x720, 1024x768 signals.

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th__:

my LG tv will support (and scale) almost anything that you pass in the VGA plug, but it's totally fussy about the component and will only take the "official" HDTV modes

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directhex:

nordle, that's not the norm

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th__:

nordle, DVI and HDMI are the same..

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nordle:

Yeah, I dont have a hdmi out on the gpu or a dvi in on the tv though, so it has to be dvi->hdmi

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th__:

my setup is weird though.. I use DVI out on my gfx card, then into a box that converts it to component, then over balun and cat6 cable to the TV and into component in

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directhex:

:|

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iamlindoro:

whutthuh?

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directhex:

iamlindorotry for a sheila brofloski " what what WHAAAAAAAAAT?"

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th__:

it works for 1080p no problem ;)

[15:09:53]

th__:

just gives a tiny bit of ghosting with high contrast.. :(

[15:10:07]

th__:

because I bought the cheapo baluns I guess :)

[15:10:26]

directhex:

bloonz!

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iamlindoro:

"And from there the digital signal is written out by Byzantine monks and transmitted to my LCD by granary pigeon..."

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th__:

well it's a cheaper solution than the HDMI over Cat6 devices

[15:11:11]

th__:

they cost upwards of $300

[15:11:27]

iamlindoro:

You know, when they establish standards you're not supposed to use ALL OF THEM AT ONCE

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th__:

hehe

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bofh80:

hi people i'm a little lost, i'm going throught the docs and the wiki, can someone point me to info to delete ALL (i only have one, set to repeat daily) schedules?

[15:11:57]

th__:

bofh80, do you know how to use mysql?

[15:12:34]

bofh80:

th__, yes . . . . . i was starting to wonder. . .

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directhex:

iamlindoro, oh my. sony are now offering, on one model of laptop, ro remove pre-installed crapware, for a mere $50. you pay $50 more to get less crap.

[15:13:05]

th__:

bofh80, "delete from record"

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iamlindoro:

directhex: MOAR LESS CRAP!

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directhex:

LURK MOAR!

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th__:

lol directhex

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th__:

just plug a linux cd in and erase all windows then you have 100% less crap

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th__:

can anyone enlighten me as to what SVN command to use, to get a patch of diff's between Myth 0.21 Release to head of fixes branch?

[15:16:47]

iamlindoro:

Why would you do that instead up just svn up'ing?

[15:17:29]

iamlindoro:

svn diff -r revision1:revision2, btw

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th__:

iamlindoro, I want to create an ubuntu package from it to install on my other frontends as well

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th__:

then it's easy to add the patch to the debian/rules thing and

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th__:

just fakeroot debian/rules :)

[15:18:53]

** iamlindoro thinks th__ likes to make things more complicated than they need to be **

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iamlindoro:

but what the heck, to each his own

[15:19:15]

** jams agrees with iamlindoro **

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th__:

i just like to use the packages from ubuntu-backports because I don't always have time to do it manually..

[15:21:13]

** jams prepares to push snow around **

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leprasmurf:

is there a way to have mythtv run something like "v4l2-ctl -i2" when you tune to a specific channel?

[15:24:43]

leprasmurf:

th__: same issue, trying a different approach, thanks for the help earlier though

[15:25:13]

iamlindoro:

leprasmurf: Put it into a script and have it be the "channel change script" for that tuner

[15:25:35]

jamesd:

the easter bunny didn't like our brown grass, so mothernature has decideded to drop 8–10" of white fluffy snow on us....

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directhex:

th__, ubuntu-backports contains changeset 16483, which is the important one (dvd playback)

[15:26:01]

leprasmurf:

iamlindoro: would I have to associate a listing with it? (e.g., schedules direct listing)

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iamlindoro:

leprasmurf: Why would you have to do that?

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iamlindoro:

This is in capture card setup, not listings setup

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iamlindoro:

write the script such that if $1 == "48" or whatever channel, it does your action, else exit 0

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leprasmurf:

iamlindoro: I kept trying to make changes like what you mentioned to the input connector for composite, and it wouldn't save anything unless I setup a listing for it

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iamlindoro:

leprasmurf: You don't have to set up a listings source, there's one for "no listings"

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leprasmurf:

iamlindoro: ty, gonna try now

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iamlindoro:

leprasmurf: Don't do it the script way, that's extremely ugly-- On the pulldown where you select Schedules Direct, XMLtv, etc., there is one for "no listings" which will allow you to create a listings source that's not really a listings source. *that's* what should be attached to your composite input.

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the-FoX:

hello

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leprasmurf:

iamlindoro: ic what you're saying, ok then

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the-FoX:

one question about mythtv: is it possible to use the mythbackend as upnp-server and the mythfrontend als upnp-client? so i can store all my media on the backend's space and view it everywhere? anyone knows a good howto?

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iamlindoro:

the-FoX: MythTV is a upnp server only right now, there are no client capabilities. If you want to share your music and videos from the backend, you need to do it via NFS or SAMBA

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DustyBin:

what is upnp ? ive always wondered what that is

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iamlindoro:

Universal Plug-n-Play

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iamlindoro:

basically configurationless sharing of media

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DustyBin:

is this a microsoft technology?

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iamlindoro:

no

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the-FoX:

iamlindoro: thanks

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DustyBin:

i still cant believe that mythtv can encode more than 1 channel at a time on the same tuner

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iamlindoro:

Good, 'cause it's not encoding :)

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|Torg|:

why DustyBin does that seem strange to you?

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leprasmurf:

iamlindoro: ok, so I've setup the "no grabber" listing, and connected it to my composite input. I also wrote up that wrapper script that tests the $1 variable for the channel I want the composite to display on. I've added that channel in the channel editor. does that sound about right to you?

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DustyBin:

/s/encode/grab frames

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iamlindoro:

leprasmurf: Nope. One or the other, not both

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DustyBin:

|Torg|: im impressed!

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leprasmurf:

iamlindoro: take away the wrapper script and channel in channel editor?

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DustyBin:

infact im going to set it up now

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iamlindoro:

Create the no grabber source, attach to composite, create a single channel in the editor, call it any channel you want, done! No need for a script

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DustyBin:

im going to see if i can create 4 tuners out of my 2x Nova-T 500 tuners

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|Torg|:

DustyBin: they basic way it works is your dvb card runes in this big, gigantic TS stream. Myth then strips out a few PIDS and puts two togerhet to make what you call a channel. Often there is more then one channel, so myth simply strips out more then one set

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leprasmurf:

ok, gonna try that

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leprasmurf:

oh, do I need to set the frequency or anything in the channel to anything? or just associate it with the blank grabber?

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iamlindoro:

nope, should be no need

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iamlindoro:

just associate it with the blank grabber.

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leprasmurf:

k

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DustyBin:

to setup multi recording, do i just add some more tuners on mythtv-setup 'Capture cards' menu ?

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|Torg|:

yes its an option in mythtv-setup

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|Torg|:

not exactly add more tuners, as muc as tell a tuner that it can do more then 1 channel

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leprasmurf:

iamlindoro: I must've screwed something up, I type in the channel number, and it freezes for 2 seconds as if it's going to switch, but then kicks me back to the channel I tried switching from

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DustyBin:

I have a option called 'Max recording'

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leprasmurf:

e.g., starting on channel 5, type channel 130, pauses, then resumes channel 5

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DustyBin:

thats in the capture card menu

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iamlindoro:

leprasmurf: you should know to look at backend logs by now

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|Torg|:

I belvie that is it, I dont run it as it has little use for ATSC

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leprasmurf:

iamlindoro: you are absolutely right

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leprasmurf:

RTFL

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|Torg|:

yes DustyBin its under the cature card settgings, Advanced Options, as Max recordings, set it to more then 1

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DustyBin:

ive set both of my Nova-T 500 tuners to "Maximum recordings:2" is there anything else i need to do?

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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DustyBin:

so that means i now have 4 tuners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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DustyBin:

this is powerful stuff

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iamlindoro:

DustyBin: You just need to keep in mind that you can only multirec off the same mux

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DustyBin:

iamlindoro: does mythtv work all that out automatically?

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|Torg|:

well you have to setup a schedule that can use it, ie have something to record

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iamlindoro:

ie, only for channels which are transmitted in the same bouquet

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iamlindoro:

DustyBin: Yes, it works it out, but doesn't necessarily make it obvious when things are on the same mux

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|Torg|:

DustyBin: basiicly if you ahven channe 1_1 and 1_2 and myth finds you ahve a scedule for two preogrms on that same mux it will use one card and tune to it to do so, its really that simple

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DustyBin:

if my 2 tuners are recording off 2 different mux, i could watch live tv on another channel what is on either 1 of those mux without messing up my recordings?

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iamlindoro:

yes.

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DustyBin:

that is powerful stuff

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|Torg|:

the ability to switch to an unused tuner to watch tv while it is recording is an option that is availbel on VERY few DVRs, myth being one of thoe few

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DustyBin:

im not sure if 'open DVB card on demand' will make my Nova-T 500 even more stable, its ok at the moment, i think ill leave it off for now

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|Torg|:

DVB card on demand menas dont lock it so I can test with things like azap

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DustyBin:

does windows MCE have that feature?

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iamlindoro:

No.

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DustyBin:

good :D

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iamlindoro:

MCE can't even record QAM out of the box, let alone multirec

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DustyBin:

how could i test out if multirec is working? shall i record BBC1 and watch BBC2 on the same tuner?

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iamlindoro:

Only if they're on the same mux

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DustyBin:

im not too sure about that

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DustyBin:

my lord

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DustyBin:

i now have 4 encoders listed

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iamlindoro:

I'm fairly sure that the usual DVB-T stuff in the UK is all on two or three muxes

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DustyBin:

there really is no need to buy another Nova-T 500

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iamlindoro:

Whoops, looks like more like 6 muxes, but that most of the regular BBC stuff is commonly on one mux

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** DustyBin creates a unoffical plugin for a mythtv frontend for streamtuner **

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** DustyBin awaits for a .21 version of this: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~moongies/streamtuned.html **

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DustyBin:

why is it illegal to listen to radio streams? they shouldnt be there in the first place if you cannot even stream them?

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iamlindoro__:

DustyBin: What's wrong with it now? AFAIK It compiles fine against trunk

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DustyBin:

"MythStream v0.18x compiles with MythTV v0.20 and probably svn. Let me know when that's no longer the case. "

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iamlindoro__:

DustyBin: And?

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iamlindoro__:

"probably SVN"

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DustyBin:

i thought it needs mythlib .20

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iamlindoro__:

No

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DustyBin:

aye ok ill give it a go

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iamlindoro__:

And who said listening to radio streams was illegal, BTW?

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DustyBin:

i thought that was the reason offical mythtv plugs dont have anything that can listen to radio streams

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DustyBin:

because your not allowed to do it?!

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iamlindoro__:

nope

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iamlindoro__:

From what I understand, it was submitted as an official plugin and they asked the guy to make various changes (one of which I believe was using the internal player rather than relying on mplayer, etc) and he never came back with the changes

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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DustyBin:

ill see if i can compile it against .21

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psymin:

which plugin should I search for to get radio functionality :)

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DustyBin:

http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~moongies/streamtuned.html

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cesman:

MythStream compiles agains 0.21 w/o issue

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DustyBin:

ace :D

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DustyBin:

im cpanning some modules in

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iamlindoro__:

Uh oh, here we go again, another exciting episode of "DustyBin liveblogs his installing something"

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DustyBin:

its compiling :D

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xand:

grrr

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DustyBin:

make install !!! :D

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|Torg|:

DustyBin: if you get it to install tell me if you can make it do podcasts

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DustyBin:

it works !!!

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DustyBin:

there is a option for apple trailors

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DustyBin:

lol it works

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** DustyBin feels like a criminal **

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|Torg|:

why?

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DustyBin:

there is no option for podcats

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DustyBin:

|Torg|: joking :P

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DustyBin:

this is ace :D

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DustyBin:

last time i installed this my frontend crashed all the time, lets hope its a bit more stable this time

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gandalfcome:

I am using mythbuntu with mythtv 0.21,I have oneproble,, when streamingvideo withflash I dont get audio. any ideas?

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iamlindoro__:

sounds like your ffmpeg is the standard ubuntu ffmpeg, which has no mp3 support

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iamlindoro__:

you'll need to compile your own w/ libmp3lame support to make audio work

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iamlindoro__:

#ubuntu-mythtv is probably the better place to check for help on that

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gandalfcome:

Thanks, I just tried and even without audio:I'mimpressed, they say: highly experimental, do use at own risk, .... but it just works outof the box (okay no audio but still)

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iamlindoro__:

Well, in fairness to the mythweb folks, the no audio is your distro's fault :)

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xand:

how does mythtv tell identical usb tuners apart?

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iamlindoro__:

xand: By device node in /dev

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xand:

I think mine swap on boot or something :|

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xand:

or, my problem isn't that at all

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iamlindoro__:

yup, that's common, you need to use udev rules to force them to come up to a fixed point

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iamlindoro__:

That said, if they're identical (and the only tuners in the system) they should theoretically still work

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xand:

they should

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xand:

I have a wintv nova-t and a nova-t 500... and on one of them, I can't receive freeview mux D properly

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xand:

and the one that doesn't work seems to vary if I reboot

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iamlindoro__:

Ah, well if it's a problem with a single mux, it's *probably* not related to renumbering

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xand:

but the mux works ok on the other two tuners

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xand:

I'm not sure I can tell from mythtv-setup whether it's using the two tuners on one card, or one tuner on the twin card and the other card

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xand:

hmm

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xand:

both capture devices enabled have the same "Frontend ID" which implies that it's using both tuners on the same card

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xand:

which means that mythtv can't seem to tell the difference between one card and another, which are different models and drivers

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xand:

or I guess linux is changing the /dev number

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xand:

gah, it's impossible to tell the two tuners on the same card apart

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xand:

all udev info about them is the same

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xand:

I guess I'll have to never reboot, and if I do, fiddle with mythtv-setup after

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psymin:

I think I asked this before, but can anyone recommend a wireless mouse (bluetooth?) that has very long range .. or maybe a keyboard/mouse combo.

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|Torg|:

low far is long?

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iamlindoro__:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126176 Got a few of those for my office this week, work fine up to 20ish feet as far as I can tell

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th__:

psymin, bluetooth class 2 or 3 would be your best bet. class 2 is range up to 10 meters, class 3 is up to 100 meters

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psymin:

its probably about 15 or 20' through a wall

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|Torg|:

http://www.gyration.com/p-66-go-24-optical-ai . . . d-suite.aspx at abtou 30'

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psymin:

I'd say 20

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|Torg|:

thats what I use

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psymin:

cool . thanks |Torg| iamlindoro and th1

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psymin:

th__:

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|Torg|:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/ <-- those are cool :)

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th__:

psymin, check out something like this: http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklin . . . ionKey=11016

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th__:

although what I'd really like, was a bluetooth keyboard with a built-in laptop-style touchpad so you'd just need one device in your lap to control the PC from the sofa ;)

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th__:

psymin, in fact check this out: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B001 . . . 21/ref=nosim

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th__:

it's not bluetooth but it does say up to 10 meter range

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psymin:

I"ve got a logitech mx5000 right now (or something) .. keyboard/mouse combo .. the keyboard has range .. but the mouse has issues with range

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|Torg|:

my gyration mouse goes farther then the keyboard. I also use it when I travel to presnt with

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psymin:

are you using the dongles that come with the devices, or do you have a bluetooth card?

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psymin:

Ahh .. cool

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th__:

psymin, you'll only be sure of good range with a Class 3 bluetooth receiver and transmitter

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|Torg|:

my myth box has little use for a mouse, except to switch screens (which I can do with a minimal WM and alt-tab)

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psymin:

for some reason I thought class 1 had better range ..

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th__:

I guess the dongles that come with the keyboards/mice are class 2 "up to" 10 meters..

[18:49:45]

th__:

nah

[18:49:51]

th__:

class 1 is even worse, 0.1–10 meters

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psymin:

doh

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th__:

class 2 is "supposed" to be up to 10 meters, class 3 is up to 100

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th__:

although 100 meters is still line of sight

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|Torg|:

AFAIK the gyration at least int bluetooth but is on 2.4GHZ, at least my blutooth devices dont see it

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th__:

|Torg|, if you're using WLAN at the same time as 2.4G devices it sometimes affects them.. in that case it can help to change your access point's channel

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th__:

I had that with my keyboard (not my mouse).. it doesn't matter much for bluetooth though because they use frequency hopping..

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hashbang:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Wireless . . . cony_KB-9820 # what I use

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Dagmar:

Mainly, you move yer 802.11 device to channels 1 or 11

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AndyCap:

psymin: you're right. class 1 is 100 meters, 2 is 10 and 3 is 1 meter

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psymin:

Ahh, I'll change the channel of my access point and hope that my existing mouse has better range

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th__:

AndyCap, according to this it's the other way around: http://www.tech-faq.com/bluetooth.shtml

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AndyCap:

th__: well, they're wrong. http://www.bluetooth.com/Bluetooth/Technology/Basics.htm

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th__:

ok, from the horse's mouth, can't argue with that ;)

[19:02:54]

th__:

the other site looked pretty well researched though

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psm321:

how important is the mythlog table? (computer crash appears to have corrupted it)

[19:07:03]

psm321:

shoot

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psm321:

recorded is also corrupt

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iamlindoro:

Time for a mysqlcheck -r and/or hoping you have a nightly DB backup cron'ed

[19:10:10]

PatrickDK:

I would shutdown mysql

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PatrickDK:

then cd into the mysql dir (/var/lib/mysql probably)

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PatrickDK:

myisamchk --silent --force --update-status */*.MYI

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PatrickDK:

then start mysql back up :)

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psm321:

PatrickDK: is that any better/different from mysqlcheck/mysqlrepair?

[19:11:14]

PatrickDK:

yes

[19:11:25]

PatrickDK:

mysqlcheck/repair do it when mysql is running

[19:11:31]

PatrickDK:

myisamchk does it when mysql isn't running

[19:11:39]

PatrickDK:

and can fix some things that can't be when mysql is running

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psm321:

ok

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psm321:

so its better to do the myisamchk?

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PatrickDK:

from my experience yes

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psm321:

ok thanks

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PatrickDK:

and I have dealt with many corrupted mysql issues :)

[19:12:32]

psm321:

the particular errors are about the files being the wrong size (they all fall a few bytes short)

[19:13:01]

psm321:

mythconverg.recordedseek

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psm321:

warning : 2 clients are using or haven't closed the table properly

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psm321:

error : Size of indexfile is: 763416576 Should be: 763420672

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psm321:

error : Size of datafile is: 804602875 Should be: 804604375

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psm321:

error : Corrupt

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psm321:

(thats the only one that says indexfile is wrong size... the others only complain about datafile)

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PatrickDK:

index file is not an issue

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PatrickDK:

datafile is

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PatrickDK:

indexfiles can be recreated

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psm321:

k

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psymin:

|Torg|: are you using that gyration product through walls?

[19:21:50]

|Torg|:

not normally, no

[19:22:08]

psymin:

would you mind testing that real quick and getting back to me? :)

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|Torg|:

I mostly use it from my couch about 25' or so away from the tv

[19:22:31]

hnitsuj:

hell, still no ETA on restoring the water supply. been off for 10 hours now & they're supplying bottled water

[19:22:39]

|Torg|:

sure holdon, I have to start the FE and TV up :)

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|Torg|:

ok it works at about 23' from system to living room wall, and thogght the brick outer wall (across the rear subwoofer and speaker wires, there is a water spiggot outside ont eh wall, and an electical socket inside) to about 30'

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|Torg|:

if you want I can test it across the house, but I suspect it to be about at tat 30' range

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psymin:

|Torg|: through walls?

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Dagmar:

Torg: This is still a bluetooth thing you're talking about, right?

[19:30:05]

|Torg|:

does brick, with insulation and bay window count? and yes I norammly have the blinds on that window which I opend to go on the back poarch

[19:30:23]

|Torg|:

I dont *think* its bluetooth, as none of my blooth devices detect it

[19:30:28]

Dagmar:

Ah okay

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|Torg|:

it is 2.5GHz tho, according to the label

[19:30:37]

psymin:

Yeah counts :)

[19:30:38]

Dagmar:

Bluetooth's range is something that should probably be mentioned in quotes

[19:30:39]

|Torg|:

err 2.4

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psymin:

alrighty .. I'll buy one :)

[19:30:58]

Dagmar:

They _say_ a max of 30' but it's more like "5 feet before the signal turns to staticy crap"

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|Torg|:

psymin: it does have a bad side effect to my cellphone tho, at least I suspect it

[19:31:10]

psymin:

ah 'thogght' means 'through' .. gotcha

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Dagmar:

Regular 2.4Ghz use mainly you're worried about grounded metals (damn near never) and water.

[19:31:33]

|Torg|:

yes my typing is,well it leaves a bit to be desired :)

[19:31:37]

psymin:

hehe

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Dagmar:

1–2 walls and 50 feet is no problem at all

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|Torg|:

Dagmar: that outside wall does contain a water line, its where the outside faucet is

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hnitsuj:

in my 1920s built house, bluetooth just about works between upstairs & downstairs – though not very well

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Dagmar:

Unless that space is filled with human bodies, which are bosly water

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Dagmar:

s/bosyl/mostly/;

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Dagmar:

torg: "a" water line isn't going to be any big deal

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Dagmar:

It's going to be about as much of a problem as a lead pipe makes a good sun umbrealla

[19:32:47]

hnitsuj:

and all we have here which is wireless, are our DECT phones

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Dagmar:

Damn I can't type today

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|Torg|:

my cellphone gets lower reception in the living room, my cordless phones do not, I do not knwo if it is becase the room is central to the houuse or all the RF my AV equipmetn uses

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|Torg|:

I suspect the latter

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hnitsuj:

all these new fangled wireless things competing for band space. it'll all end in tears ya know

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Dagmar:

He's _almost_ got a point there

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Dagmar:

Microwave ovens practically vomit all over that space when they're running.

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|Torg|:

as does my ancient refridgerator

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Dagmar:

...adn there's just about a metric crapton of _sh*tty_ cordless phones out there that pretty much splatter the whole range

[19:34:23]

** hnitsuj hands |Torg| a suppressor for the fridge compressor **

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|Torg|:

hnitsuj: thanks but I simply dont use my phone in the kitchen :P

[19:34:51]

hnitsuj:

heh

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Dagmar:

Ah just wrap the whole back of the fridge in fine copper mesh and then ground that. ;)

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|Torg|:

its only at about 2–3' tho

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hnitsuj:

|Torg|: it's more likely to be the vast metalness of the fridge causing it then, not interference as such

[19:35:31]

|Torg|:

I have some cordless phones that work in 2.4GHz will kill 802.11 and that wireless keyboard dead

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Dagmar:

Yeah, this is why you move the AP to channel 1 or 11 (I think you guys might even get to go as high as 14)

[19:36:00]

hnitsuj:

it doesn't even have to be near the same frequency really – just swamp the RF input stage of the other wireless goodies

[19:36:16]

Dagmar:

My bud dc0de got one of those USB spectrum sampler dongles

[19:36:20]

Dagmar:

I am jealous

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|Torg|:

802.11 works REALLY well at my house, considering I can see my neighbors too :)

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hnitsuj:

didn't know they existed Dagmar

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Dagmar:

Him and his darn fft graphs of signal spikes

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hnitsuj:

Dagmar: any good, speed wise?

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Dagmar:

By the wya, if that 2.4Ghz phone kills channel 11, it's broken and should be chucked

[19:37:39]

Dagmar:

hnitsuj: He says he loves how well it works, and I've seen the graphs it makes

[19:37:52]

Dagmar:

It might be a bit lagged behind realtime, but it's definitely detailed

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hnitsuj:

Dagmar: the wi-spy ? only about $99

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|Torg|:

Dagmar: its siting in the garrage, along with my old dtivo, two replayes the dlink etc

[19:38:28]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but that's $99 for a toy I will only be able to use infreuqently, and am unlikely to be able to sell quickly on Craigslist

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hnitsuj:

whoah the models range up to $399

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|Torg|:

I dont want my neigherbors to buy this phone, and I would not be as malicious as to let anyone acutaly plug it in

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Dagmar:

Yes, it's the new one he has

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Dagmar:

It doesn't mess around

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hnitsuj:

maybe it wouldn't be too hard to hack a regular usb dongle to do it – they can hop frequencies pretty fast

[19:39:42]

Dagmar:

You could hunt eavesdropping devices with that thing

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hnitsuj:

sure I've seen software to do such things actually

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hnitsuj:

Dagmar: only if they're in the 2.4Ghz band though

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hnitsuj:

not much cop for outside that

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Dagmar:

Note the sweep time

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Dagmar:

165ms

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Dagmar:

You're not keeping anywhere near to that with a normal 802.11 dongle. gheh

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hnitsuj:

they've probably modified their reciever to disable the AGC – but I wouldn't be surprised that can be done in a regular dongle too

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hnitsuj:

Dagmar: not sure – those silicon tuners can change freq. pretty damn fast

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Dagmar:

Purely for the purposes of scientific pornography, you have to admire anything that can do http://www.metageek.net/files/images/ST-80211g.preview.png

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hnitsuj:

we got sent a datasheet at work for a new silicon tuner. it can allegedly hop frequencies fast enough to allow 2 TV channels to be received at the same time

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|Torg|:

I wonder if I could hack an older PCMCIA 802.11 card to simply scan 2.4Ghz

[19:43:52]

Dagmar:

Torg: THat depends

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Dagmar:

Somewhere around here I have two such carsd

[19:44:10]

Dagmar:

I was able to use them to sniff 802.11, but...

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Dagmar:

I had to do my own ethernet frame parsing.

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|Torg|:

I have an oniocoa I use to sniff 802.11 but im looking for something more primitive

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|Torg|:

I dont even what to know if there are packets, just and rf graph

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Dagmar:

Airport 2.4Ghz cards that were so primitive they might as well have been a pair of serial ports connected to kid's walkie-talkies

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hnitsuj:

muhahaha http://www.wireless.org.au/~jhecker/specan/

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Dagmar:

Oh NICE

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Dagmar:

And it's not even that complex a design

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|Torg|:

yea, source me a CYM6935 Module

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Dagmar:

I hate it when I read someone's report and they're all "this is a pretty simple device" and you look at the schematic and realize it's going to take 590 solder points

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|Torg|:

I was hopng for some low level drive for my wirless cards that would do primitives

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|Torg|:

http://www.chip45.com/index.pl?page=iDwaRF-168&lang=en

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hnitsuj:

you can buy Rabbit (tm) modules which can do 2.4Ghz wireless – piece of cake to code them

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Dagmar:

The SSI data you get from a consumer wireless card tends to be pretty retarded tho

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|Torg|:

Im just thinking of somethig I can do a RFish map for my house

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hnitsuj:

one of our hardware guys rattled up an 8 port terminal server in an afternoon with a rabbit module

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Dagmar:

hnitsuj: This is what he was teasing me with yesterday http://picasaweb.google.com/jnoble/ScreenShot . . . 175429190274

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Dagmar:

Someone's scrollback actually went that far> heh

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|Torg|:

http://www.metageek.net/products hell it already exists

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psm321:

PatrickDK: still around?

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Dagmar:

aestetix: Not often, but it probably amounts to the same thing as with any eccentric person

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Dagmar:

wrong chan

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psymin:

I how well do you think one of those gyration mice would work with a FPS game? :)

[19:53:55]

Dagmar:

I'm sure I could suck just as easilyl with one of those as any other mouse

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directhex:

psymin, terribly

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|Torg|:

worked fine with wolrd of warcrack, dunno about anything else

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** psymin grins. **

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but frankly, you dont' use the mouse all that much in WoW

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psymin:

neat

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psymin:

alrighty .. along the same lines .. can anyone recommend a pci or pci-express card that will support class 1 bluetooth?

[20:01:17]

Dagmar:

Mainly that stuff comes in the USB dongle form-factor

[20:01:39]

psymin:

Yeah .. I've been noticing that :(

[20:01:45]

Dagmar:

'cuz a PC's case tends to be a big limiting factor in the usability of a card like that

[20:02:00]

psymin:

Ahh, any way to use an antenna or something? :)

[20:02:06]

Dagmar:

Hey, at least they're damn cheap

[20:02:15]

Dagmar:

I got the dongle I have for like $25, at _CompUSA_

[20:02:40]

psymin:

can you use hcitools and whatnot with that dongle?

[20:02:45]

Dagmar:

psymin: So you could have an antenna with 40% of it's surrounding area nearly blacked out?

[20:02:50]

Dagmar:

Yeah

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psymin:

neat

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Dagmar:

now if I can just find a sane freaking SIP proxy method I'll be set

[20:03:46]

psymin:

Dagmar: I thought there were a few packages out there for that ..

[20:03:56]

Dagmar:

They are but they all kinda suck

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|Torg|:

http://www.pulver.com/ ?

[20:04:32]

Dagmar:

Hmm>

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xand:

OH!!! /me gets a bit overexcited at seeing multirec in 0.21 feature list c.c

[20:04:33]

Dagmar:

?

[20:04:57]

Dagmar:

Torg: Yeah, I'm talking about that SIP if that's what you're asking

[20:05:09]

Dagmar:

Ekiga would be quite nice, IF it could get incoming calls without a fight

[20:05:20]

|Torg|:

yes Dagmar I used to use it a while back, I havnt in about a year tho

[20:05:32]

psymin:

Dagmar: behind nat or something?

[20:05:39]

Dagmar:

psymin: Like most people, yes.

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|Torg|:

mostly its nice to play with, but it serves no practical purpose to me

[20:05:56]

psymin:

I'm probably talking out my posterior, but would a stun server help?

[20:06:18]

Dagmar:

psymin: I'm looking for a solution that is "elegant", i.e., the whole thing is transparent

[20:06:33]

Dagmar:

I may have to code something up

[20:06:44]

psymin:

can asterisk work as a proxy?

[20:06:46]

Dagmar:

Like, in theory I should be able to do something with tcpdump, perl and iptables

[20:06:55]

Dagmar:

psymin: That's up for debate

[20:07:01]

Dagmar:

I know two Asterisk devs personally

[20:07:13]

Dagmar:

If I asked them, tho', the answer would take three hours to listen to

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psymin:

hehe

[20:07:27]

Dagmar:

Asterisk is a bit *too* flexible like thta

[20:07:41]

Dagmar:

...and a little overkill

[20:08:01]

psymin:

hehe, you needed a personal home pbx anyway right?

[20:08:16]

Dagmar:

Actually I really don't

[20:08:40]

Dagmar:

The DNS/squid/firewall service box is enough

[20:09:34]

Dagmar:

But I mean, in theory, I should be able to get around the problem by simply *sniffing* for outgoing SIP registrations, and then laying down port forwards for them

[20:10:05]

Dagmar:

Gonna have to read the RFCs to be certain of that tho

[20:10:56]

|Torg|:

port 5060 TCP/UDP, 5004 UDP, 3478 UDP (for Stun)

[20:11:03]

|Torg|:

or so says sipgate

[20:11:23]

Dagmar:

Oh I could forward them to ONE host

[20:11:34]

Dagmar:

...but that would be a problem right there

[20:11:48]

Dagmar:

It would just be the one host and nothing else.

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|Torg|:

I was under the impression that Stun was used to open ports, not acutaly use one itself, maybe you can drop it and see if it works

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Dagmar:

Hmm... I'll have to look into that more closely then

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DustyBin:

im using s-video out on my nvidia graphics card at a resolution of 720 x 576, i can now turn off the bob de-interlacer and the motion still looks smooth!!!!

[20:25:58]

directhex:

nvidia flicker filter.

[20:26:06]

Dagmar:

Dustybin: The magic reinterlacer in the nVidia binary driver is extremely full of win

[20:26:29]

Dagmar:

DustyBin: You will basically _never_ have to worry about interlacing using the s-video output

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DustyBin:

im using the Standard xvMC decoder + xvmc-opengl video renderer + osd renderer

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Dagmar:

Yeah

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Dagmar:

Basically, there's stuff in the video driver

[20:27:13]

DustyBin:

if i use a standard decoder i get the tearing effect

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DustyBin:

ok

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Dagmar:

Yes, the nVidia driver basically "solves it" for anything that's begin displayed using Xv

[20:27:49]

DustyBin:

aye excellent

[20:27:54]

Dagmar:

It is very, very nice

[20:27:58]

DustyBin:

it does look nice

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Dagmar:

OPh!!

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DustyBin:

im not sure what opengl verticle sync option does on the previous menu

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Dagmar:

No wait that woudln't even apply to PAL

[20:28:16]

Dagmar:

Nevermind

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DustyBin:

it makes it look jittery if i turn it on

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Dagmar:

DustyBin: Crashes the frontend

[20:28:29]

Dagmar:

heh

[20:29:41]

DustyBin:

once i get this little black box

[20:29:43]

DustyBin:

http://www.keene.co.uk/electronic/keene-elect . . . er/KST1.html

[20:29:50]

DustyBin:

it will be a different game altogether

[20:30:03]

DustyBin:

i will need to setup proper interlaced pal modelines or i could damage my TV

[20:30:31]

DustyBin:

but the picture quality will be a lot nicer than s-video

[20:30:36]

DustyBin:

no noise

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DustyBin:

RGB scart

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hashbang:

DustyBin: check out http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Cowbutt for modelines that I sweated over

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DustyBin:

aye thanks :D

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directhex:

modelines don't work over svideo on nvidia

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DustyBin:

directhex: http://www.keene.co.uk/electronic/keene-elect . . . er/KST1.html

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hashbang:

DustyBin: one thing I'll caution you about; nVidia's driver has a bug such that Xv output to interlaced displays is scan-doubled (i.e. half vertical resolution)

[20:31:45]

DustyBin:

VGA > RGB SCART

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directhex:

rgb scart is hairy

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DustyBin:

why?

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directhex:

usually mode-related

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hashbang:

DustyBin: so you might not be quite as impressed as you're hoping to be.

[20:32:40]

directhex:

you're not going to get enough benefit for ti to be worth your while, you know

[20:32:44]

Dagmar:

I never had a problem with scan doubling running the card at 1024x768

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hashbang:

DustyBin: RGB output is still pretty good, though.

[20:32:48]

DustyBin:

everything ive read about using RGB scart is good

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directhex:

if you wanted image quality, you'd have bought HD

[20:33:06]

DustyBin:

i just want s-video noise to go away

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hashbang:

Dagmar: it's fine on progressive displays AFAICS

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hashbang:

Dagmar: it's interlaced Xv on interlaced VGA displays that's the problem

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|Torg|:

http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2007/12/ . . . nverter.html thats what I want :)

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DustyBin:

anyone tested this theme out:

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DustyBin:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy.html

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|Torg|:

im a blootube adict, im not changing

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iamlindoro_:

DustyBin: Metallurgy is probably one of the newest and most compatible themes ATM (outside of the core themes). It's also the only one with an HD OSD

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DustyBin:

aye nice :D

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DustyBin:

blootube isnt compatible with .21

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DustyBin:

said juski

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|Torg|:

works fine, says my 2 FEs

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|Torg|:

you want screen captures?

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directhex:

try the mythvideo file extension editor

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iamlindoro_:

Not "completely" compatible, anyway... can be used, but there are some minor niggles

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|Torg|:

only one I know of is 6 day weather, ill go check mythvideo it works to play them fine

[20:37:56]

|Torg|:

if not its just a few xml files, ill go edit them

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iamlindoro_:

A theme is a few XML files inasmuch as MythTV is a few CPP files

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directhex:

this is a theme. it is made of xml and fail

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|Torg|:

ok all I did was edit the default 6 day weatehr xml and it works, that much I do know its simply an xml file

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DustyBin:

i still cannot believe i now have 4 encoders

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hashbang:

DustyBin: multirec?

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DustyBin:

yep

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hashbang:

DustyBin: cool, innit?

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** hashbang now has 6. **

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DustyBin:

lol

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DustyBin:

yes very cool

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|Torg|:

directhex what is it im suposed to not see/see. It seems to work fine

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** directhex > you all, /me has 10 **

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iamlindoro_:

directhex: Heh, me too, and still nothing worth watching ;)

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, porn!

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DustyBin:

TelevisionX ftw

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iamlindoro_:

That's why the man Jesus made the internet

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|Torg|:

mutirec works well in ATSC, if you want to watch the same thing in SD or that tower cam thats on 24/7

[20:44:02]

DustyBin:

i still not sure what Match Criteria means? ive set it to point at the resolution im using: 720 x 576

[20:44:09]

DustyBin:

but there is another Match Criteria underneath it?

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psymin:

doh, sounds like the only way to play a blu-ray disc is to rip it?

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iamlindoro_:

DustyBin: So you can do > and < than to create a range

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iamlindoro_:

psymin: That's correct

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DustyBin:

why would you have a range?

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DustyBin:

surely you would just be using the native res

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iamlindoro_:

DustyBin: It has nothing to do with playback rex, it has to do with the res of the source material

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DustyBin:

oh!!!!

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DustyBin:

uk freeview = 720 x 576 i think

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iamlindoro_:

One set of rules, for example, for everything up to 720p, then another rule for everything up to 1080, then a rule for 1080 itslef, etc., etc.

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directhex:

DustyBin, on some channels, not all

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DustyBin:

jeeze i didnt know that

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directhex:

DustyBin, as iamlindoro says, it's so you can so different things for different content, as required

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directhex:

E4 is 544*576

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DustyBin:

how do you assign channels with different res ?

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directhex:

channel 4 and itv1 is 704*576

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DustyBin:

no way

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directhex:

http://dtt.me.uk/?demux

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DustyBin:

interesting!

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directhex:

the point is basically for yanks with so-so machines

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directhex:

use xvmc for HD, use xv for SD

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iamlindoro_:

MOAR MHZ = Just one rule :)

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DustyBin:

does mythtv detect what resolution the tv stream is and use the matched profile?

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iamlindoro_:

yep

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directhex:

well, that's the point

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DustyBin:

i see!!!!!!

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DustyBin:

so with that list you gave me, i need to setup different profiles

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DustyBin:

for each res

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iamlindoro_:

DustyBin: Only if you need them, if the same settings work for everything, no need to go creating rules for everything

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iamlindoro_:

DustyBin: You set *ranges*, not single resolutions

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DustyBin:

looks like there are 3 different res

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DustyBin:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

DustyBin: You can edit, delete, or add rules, no need to use three

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directhex:

i've just got one catch-all profile

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DustyBin:

ok

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DustyBin:

to catch all i guess you dont fill in anything on for the res

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iamlindoro_:

DustyBin: I have a feeling you still aren't completely understanding this

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DustyBin:

no :P

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iamlindoro_:

For a profile to match, the video must match the rule

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DustyBin:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

So for a catch all profile, you would set it to > 0 and nothing else

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DustyBin:

so i can set a range what fits in all the uk freeview res

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DustyBin:

iamlindoro_: aye thats what i thought

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iamlindoro_:

right. So if there was no resolution in the rule at all, there would be nothing to match.

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DustyBin:

ok

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DustyBin:

BBC1 has the tearing effect, but ITV looks ok

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xomp:

hello, just installed mythtv on my ubuntu machine and when I try to run it, it tells me "Cannot login to database?" then repeats the previous steps in an never ending cycle :( anyone know how to fix?

[21:01:33]

DustyBin:

maybe i should turn on bob

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Scopeuk_:

xomp is your database running/accessible to myth?

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DustyBin:

xomp: you need to create the mythtv database first

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xomp:

DustyBin, ok, is that simple? heh

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DustyBin:

make sure 'mythconverg' exists in your mysql server

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DustyBin:

xomp: and make sure the username / password work for it

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xomp:

DustyBin, ok, let me check

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xomp:

DustyBin, when I start myth now it tells me "No UPnP backends found" is that good? lol

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DustyBin:

hmmm just ignore it if you dont need it

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DustyBin:

what devices use UpnP ?

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iamlindoro_:

Tons

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** DustyBin suspects this is a xbox thing **

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iamlindoro_:

Xbox 360, PS3, most media extenders,

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DustyBin:

ok

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|Torg|:

specialised players, xboxes, ps3s

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iamlindoro_:

MEdiaMVP, Popcornhour, etc., etc.

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|Torg|:

my desktop

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|Torg|:

and DustyBin I assume you mean Media Upnp

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|Torg|:

becase printers, scanners, vacuums, lites, cameras, access points, and firewalls do too

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mkrufky:

vaccuums?

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|Torg|:

according to upnp.org there is a spec for it, I dunno

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mkrufky:

i guess if your refrigerator / microwave oven can have a tcp/ip stack, so can your vaccuum

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mkrufky:

:-P

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Scopeuk_:

romba?

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mkrufky:

romba has an electronic eye, i think

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iamlindoro_:

Naw, roomba is all IR

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Scopeuk_:

i know by defualt they dont but with a few additions

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** iamlindoro_ looks over at his roomba and thinks that the filter needs cleaning **

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Scopeuk_:

the modding comunity for them are crazy

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|Torg|:

oh and AC units too, what does it do with upnp I dunno

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|Torg|:

http://www.upnp.org/standardizeddcps/hvac.asp

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scopeuk:

mmakes sense

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scopeuk:

stats reporting and basic settigns configuration

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DustyBin:

it took me days and days to setup https but now im going to move mythweb onto http because stuff doesnt stream properly on https

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|Torg|:

pc is overheating so it sends a upnp packet to the ac?

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psymin:

wow thats sounds awesome!

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scopeuk:

|Torg| im thinking more like your usign your pda/media center in the kitchen decide youd liek ti cooler/warmer

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** scopeuk thinks he needs to slow down a bit **

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scopeuk:

using your pda/media center in the kitchen decide you'd like it cooler/warmer

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scopeuk:

or equally in industry a universal specification for getting room teperatures from your air con whould be handy

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|Torg|:

when you get myuthtv to make me coffe in the morning, make me a few thousand trading on a foreign exance and fetch the news paper off the poarch then il be happy :P

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scopeuk:

be fun

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scopeuk:

i can do the first part

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|Torg|:

with x10 yes

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scopeuk:

nargh more old school

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|Torg|:

now do the second :P

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scopeuk:

thats jsut statistical annalysis

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scopeuk:

with a big enough data pool its easy enough

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scopeuk:

research could take a while

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|Torg|:

umm its already been tried and failed, the sold the rights to the technocogly to netflix and its how it decides what other movies you will like

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scopeuk:

fair enough

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|Torg|:

applying logic to the stock market is in itself illogical

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scopeuk:

i was thinking playing exchange rates rarther than the stock market

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scopeuk:

but yeh ks are chaoticst

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scopeuk:

stocks are chaotic*

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frankr:

hey I just setup mythtv on a debian system w/ a radeon 7000/64mb and in opengl mode the fades go suuuper slow — glxgears runs very smooth tho

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|Torg|:

well I have £120 in my desk drawer, its been ther efor about 3 years so I guess I can say im speucualting on foreighn markets, or you coudl say im too lazy to take it to the bank

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scopeuk:

if your ammerican its values increased quite a bit in your currency

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scopeuk:

although its past peak

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|Torg|:

I am, and thats my excuse

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|Torg|:

I need to take it in, but I keep forgetting

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scopeuk:

fair enough

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|Torg|:

I should go find all my Candian money and do the same

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sphery:

frankr: I don't know the ATI stuff, but I can say that the OpenGL stuff in Myth is mostly tested with the NVIDIA proprietary drivers. A radeon 7000-series is rather old (like GeForce 2 generation, right?) and for Myth we generally recommend GeForce 4 or better.

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DustyBin:

i got a feeling that the tearing effect is because im using old software on debian etch

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DustyBin:

ffmeg2 rendering there isnt any tearing

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DustyBin:

a apt-get dist-upgrade might be in order soon

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directhex:

what WM are you using?

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DustyBin:

fluxbox

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DustyBin:

all old software on the box

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DustyBin:

its all debian etch

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directhex:

debian etch is a stable release. it's kinda normal that it's not bleeding edge

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directhex:

what spec is the cpu, exactly? bbc1 is about the most cpu-intensive sdtv out there

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DustyBin:

yep trye

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DustyBin:

pentium 3.2

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DustyBin:

libmpeg2 decoder looks good

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DustyBin:

im getting mixed up

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** directhex feels like attempting a win32 build **

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DustyBin:

decoding is just cpu shit, you wont see any difference apart from cpu usage

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iamlindoro_:

directhex: I feel like I don't even *know* you any more!

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, i'm booted into windows, it seems like something to do

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, at the very least i'll then be qualified to comment on it

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iamlindoro_:

And I'll take your word on it ;)

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directhex:

that's because my word is ultimately trustable!

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directhex:

hm. gotta install teh perlz

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scopeuk:

directhex havign read the instructions good luck have "fun"

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directhex:

scopeuk, cheers!

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DustyBin:

Decoder: Standard Video Renderer: xv-bit OSD Renderer softblend NO DE-INTERLACERS selected. The picture looks awesome!!! Smooth as hell, and the OSD doesnt flicker at all!!

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DustyBin:

and thats on my CRT!

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DustyBin:

PAL

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DustyBin:

i put the tearing down to opengl

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DustyBin:

that could be because im using old debian etch nvidia drivers

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phatmonkey:

i'm using the bob interlacer. is there any way to stop the OSD bobbing up and down?

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DustyBin:

turn de-interlacing off!

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phatmonkey:

or... not

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phatmonkey:

*deinterlacer obv

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phatmonkey:

DustyBin: I'm using an LCD screen, turning it off looks dreadful

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directhex:

phatmonkey, try the opengl renderer

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directhex:

phatmonkey, or the greedy deinterlacer

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phatmonkey:

directhex: has the opengl rendered got worse performance or something? what's the disadvantage? ie, why isn't it default

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scopeuk:

phatmonkey it isent universally supported

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iamlindoro_:

Because it's experimental, and it takes more CPU

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directhex:

phatmonkey, it can misbehave with many drivers

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directhex:

looks sweet though

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phatmonkey:

ok, i'm on an appletv you see and CPU usage is very tight

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phatmonkey:

i'll give it a shot

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iamlindoro_:

ugh

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phatmonkey:

i've tried all the deinterlacers, but bob is the only one which looks smooth

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phatmonkey:

ugh??

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DustyBin:

im going to remove my backend restart cron and see how long my tv card lasts

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directhex:

appletv is too weak to be much cop

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phatmonkey:

it plays 720p h.264 on mplayer... it's pretty nippy!

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iamlindoro_:

"But the AppleTV is $GoodAdjective! It's more than acceptable because $Don'tWantToFeelStupidForBuying!"

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GreyFoxx:

phatmonkey: also worse performance than xv output

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directhex:

downloading binutils for win32 :)

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phatmonkey:

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phatmonkey:

i'm sorry, but this is an apple product which is actually genuinely good

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phatmonkey:

so stop trolling..!

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iamlindoro_:

phatmonkey: Not trolling, I'm hardly the only one in here who feels that way-- The fact that you claim it plays "720p h.264" without any consideration of bitrate shows that you're less than savvy about that kind of thing. The bitrate an ATV can handle w/ that codec and resolution is going to be extremely low.

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Dibblah:

Bitrate is essentially unimportant with h.264.

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directhex:

O_o

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phatmonkey:

disregarding h.264, it can play mpeg-2 1080i broadcasts afaik

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Dibblah:

It's massively outweighed by the encoding options.

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phatmonkey:

so it's fine as an HD frontend

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hnitsuj:

for now :)

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hnitsuj:

meh

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iamlindoro_:

Dibblah: bitrate is *extremely* important to h.264. White encoding options *do* matter, the difference between a 10 Mbit h.264 at a given resolution and one at 40 Mbit is massive.

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iamlindoro_:

er While

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Dibblah:

Okay. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

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hnitsuj:

then again the nearest thing to it in terms of form factor which _can_ play lowish bitrate (<20mbit) hd in h.264 is the mac mini – but that's extra $$$

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hnitsuj:

* Intel core 2 duo mac mini only ;)

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hnitsuj:

if my c2d t7200 can play bbc hd I think a mac mini should be fine – very similar chipsets too :)

[22:02:57]

hnitsuj:

and a mac mini will look a *load* better than the shitty silverstone lc02 box I have now!

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directhex:

i ran the tests. 1.6ghz is about the cutoff point before summoning the loopfilter options

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DustyBin:

can intel chipsets do interlace PAL modes?

[22:03:26]

hnitsuj:

- assuming the content is encoded in slices of course

[22:03:43]

hnitsuj:

DustyBin: no interlaced modes on open source intel right now

[22:03:43]

directhex:

hnitsuj, yes

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DustyBin:

ok

[22:04:21]

DustyBin:

hnitsuj: check out this chart http://dtt.me.uk/?demux

[22:04:22]

** scopeuk wishes he had any options what so ever for hd tv **

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hnitsuj:

anyway I keep telling you, you'll _still_ need to deinterlace cos none of the bloody drivers are able to tell the app which field they're drawing

[22:05:28]

hnitsuj:

it's pot-luck whether A) they're in sync when you start playing back and B) that they'll stay that way

[22:05:53]

hnitsuj:

reverse field order looks worse than non-deinterlaced stuff

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directhex:

jumpy, IME

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directhex:

everyone moves in a bizarre juddery manner

[22:06:28]

hnitsuj:

very stutterry.

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hashbang:

what directhex and hnitsuj say.

[22:06:47]

hnitsuj:

our cable box sometimes gets its knickers in a knot & does it

[22:06:59]

hashbang:

though I've seen some patches to Myth to improve the situation, but dunno if they're in yet or not

[22:07:27]

hnitsuj:

hashbang: so outside of directfb there's a way to determine odd/even fields?

[22:08:37]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: sort of; I think the gist of what I've read is that with nVidia, you get one interrupt per full frame (i.e. 2 fields). You guess to start with, have the user hit pause repeatedly until it gets in sync, then you try to stay locked

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hashbang:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . lace;#306729

[22:09:28]

hnitsuj:

that's what I mean. it's the 'hit pause repeatedly' bit that sucks

[22:09:46]

hashbang:

better than nothing with current hw/drivers, AFAICS

[22:09:51]

hnitsuj:

should be way less of an issue now myth has a much better deinterlacifyer

[22:10:25]

A-:

are there going to be any big feature differences in a 7000 and an 8000 series nvidia gpu as far as video decoding go? (under linux using the nvidia binary driver)

[22:10:34]

hnitsuj:

A-: not in linux

[22:10:43]

A-:

hnitsuj: what I thought, thanks

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hnitsuj:

not right now anyway. might change in the future, when those little pink critters are airborne

[22:11:17]

DustyBin:

the downside to buying a card like that, you will be using extra power for it

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DustyBin:

just a waste

[22:11:30]

hnitsuj:

waste of cash too don't forget

[22:11:36]

DustyBin:

aye

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hnitsuj:

if you don't need ZOMGFPS, especially

[22:11:53]

directhex:

i need zomgfps

[22:11:56]

DustyBin:

my fx5200 kicks ass

[22:11:59]

directhex:

wife's pc craps on mine. which sucks

[22:12:10]

A-:

for entry level passivly cooled card it is a matter of a few bucks on newegg between a 7200 and 8400 based card

[22:12:11]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: it's crazy that a 10 quid set top box can do interlaced playback properly, but a PC can't...

[22:12:23]

hnitsuj:

hashbang: they have dedicated chippery

[22:12:29]

hnitsuj:

and even they slip up

[22:12:38]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: I'm just bitching at ATI/nVidia et al

[22:12:57]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: it surely couldn't cost much to add the right stuff to their hardware

[22:13:05]

hnitsuj:

one bit in a register

[22:13:10]

hnitsuj:

ONE BIT !

[22:13:10]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: OTOH, I guess analogue output is going the way of the dinosaur...

[22:13:10]

directhex:

why do they care anymore? sdtv tv-out is dead

[22:13:27]

directhex:

entry-level cards come with component out these days

[22:13:28]

hashbang:

directhex: heh, yeah, I ought to get with the 21c and buy a TV with HDMI, I suppose.

[22:13:52]

** hnitsuj is holding off until decent ones are cheap enough **

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DustyBin:

who needs s-video when you can get a box like this http://www.keene.co.uk/electronics/multi.php?mycode=KST1 ?

[22:13:58]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: me too

[22:14:15]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: I want a CRT with VGA, DVI or HDMI input

[22:14:24]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: 16:9, obv.

[22:14:40]

DustyBin:

hashbang: all you need is a CRT with a RGB scart input

[22:14:43]

directhex:

DustyBin, in case they're not european?

[22:14:48]

A-:

why oh why don't american tvs have scart

[22:14:49]

hashbang:

DustyBin: that's what I'm using.

[22:14:52]

directhex:

DustyBin, scart is europe-only

[22:14:56]

hnitsuj:

even looking at shop displays there are amazing differences between sets of the same price. some look oversaturated & handle motion well.. others have great rendition but judder like f...

[22:15:01]

DustyBin:

oh i didnt know that

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hashbang:

A-: because the French invented the connector

[22:15:17]

hashbang:

A-: You'd have to call it 'Freedom TV' or something stoopid. :-)

[22:15:18]

directhex:

hashbang, rename it Freedom Plug!

[22:15:21]

directhex:

hah!

[22:15:24]

directhex:

jinx!

[22:15:24]

hashbang:

Dibblah: *snap*

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hnitsuj:

scart is only good because it has all the signals on one connector. everything else about it SUCKS

[22:15:41]

hashbang:

what hnitsuj said

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** DustyBin looks at the noise on hnitsuj red/oranges over s-video **

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hnitsuj:

put decent quality cable on a scart plug & the weight of it can pull the plug out of the socket

[22:15:53]

** hashbang wants some of the crack the SCART designers were smoking. **

[22:16:11]

hnitsuj:

look at a scart plug too hard & the pins bend

[22:16:31]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: also, can't plug it in the right way up without checking orientation

[22:16:33]

directhex:

japan has a scart-shaped connector that will cause fried teevees if you confuse it

[22:16:38]

hnitsuj:

try making your own fully populated scart lead with good quality cable

[22:16:40]

A-:

oh sure, the actual physical implementation sucks, but the electrical wasn't half bad

[22:16:55]

hnitsuj:

A-: certainly a lot better than shitty RCA connectors

[22:16:58]

DustyBin:

hnitsuj: i tried that last week and ended up throwing everything in the bin

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Dibblah:

A-: Eh?

[22:17:16]

Dibblah:

For SDTV, it's sort-of OK.

[22:17:20]

A-:

exactly

[22:17:31]

Dibblah:

But... unshielded individual cables is silly.

[22:17:38]

directhex:

building freetype for win32...

[22:17:46]

hnitsuj:

HDMI connectors are _cheap_

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directhex:

hnitsuj, hdmi is old hat. displayport!

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Dibblah:

Those aren't unshielded.

[22:18:28]

Dibblah:

They're twisted pair shielded.

[22:18:42]

hnitsuj:

Dibblah: I know they're not. very similar to sata cables in construction actually.

[22:18:49]

Dibblah:

Yup.

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hashbang:

hnitsuj: oh, after you getting a new motor sorted out, I think I've found one today

[22:19:27]

hnitsuj:

then again, put mad thick cable on hdmi & it'll wreck the connection I bet

[22:19:40]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: Mondeo 1.8 Zetec, 6 years old.

[22:19:54]

hnitsuj:

weight of the cable pulling it out of the receptacle :P

[22:20:02]

hnitsuj:

hashbang: tax – ouchy!

[22:20:08]

directhex:

hm. building mp3lame

[22:20:14]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: especially in 2010, I know.

[22:20:42]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: but it was gonna go up no matter what I got after my current 1993 1.4 Rover

[22:20:50]

hnitsuj:

picked up my 5 year old 206 diesel today. was frantic looking for a place to fill up – thank F for my sat nav

[22:20:59]

hnitsuj:

hashbang: hahaha yeah of course :)

[22:21:05]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: unless, of course, I got something with no boot space

[22:21:06]

directhex:

hnitsuj, good luck with it

[22:21:23]

hnitsuj:

directhex: cheers. hope I won't need it, though some good luck would be nice

[22:21:32]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: likewise

[22:21:37]

hnitsuj:

still waking up in the middle of the night hearing noises ffs

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directhex:

i do that

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hashbang:

hnitsuj: that'll go in a week or three.

[22:22:01]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: the first time you leave it unlocked all night will probably sort it.

[22:22:12]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: or your first door ding.

[22:22:27]

directhex:

i've left the back door unlocked more than once when at work. whoopsie

[22:22:39]

hnitsuj:

insurancey no payey outey

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directhex:

indeed

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directhex:

lame built. building mad

[22:23:15]

hnitsuj:

saw some stupid (but initially great _idea_ ) thing for a housey central locking system

[22:23:20]

hashbang:

directhex: yup, horrible when one realises how much of a klutz one is, isn't it?

[22:23:25]

hashbang:

hah

[22:23:29]

hnitsuj:

stupid cash & based on terribly insecure rf

[22:23:40]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: I want Google Home, which'll search for lost property within your home.

[22:23:47]

hnitsuj:

lol

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directhex:

hnitsuj, but how many theives have haxx0red RF systems?

[22:24:00]

hnitsuj:

get those 'finder tag' thingies – about £60

[22:24:01]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: privacy issues might need some attention.

[22:24:10]

hnitsuj:

directhex: true, true

[22:24:36]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: ah, but I want /everything/ indexed.

[22:24:51]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: keys, wallet, phone, documents, little bits of plastic, screws...

[22:24:54]

hnitsuj:

starting to smell like a linux expo attendee now. I need running water back on!

[22:25:16]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: we know. We can smell you from here. We didn't say anything, 'cos we're polite like that.

[22:25:21]

hnitsuj:

lol

[22:25:43]

hnitsuj:

if I ever go to an expo again & have to endure somebody with B.O. I WILL tell them

[22:26:17]

hnitsuj:

then again, computer markets are no better. must be the only daylight the feckers get

[22:26:37]

directhex:

taglib. lord myth has a lot of dependencies

[22:26:40]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: that and them being held in stinky sports halls

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directhex:

i feel like a gentoobie!

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directhex:

MAN THE LOOP UNROLLERS, SEAMAN hnitsuj!

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hnitsuj:

ahoy cap'n !

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hashbang:

anyone know what the std. dev. (standard deviation) figure relates to in -v playback output?

[22:28:12]

hnitsuj:

hashbang: framerate more than likely

[22:28:25]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: well, I'm getting a pretty solid 25fps

[22:28:44]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: I think it's something to do with how long those frames took to decode or something

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hnitsuj:

don't think I've ever seen a solid 25fps out of -v playback

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hashbang:

hnitsuj: it spikes if there's a radical scene change

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hnitsuj:

ahhh

[22:29:14]

hashbang:

hnitsuj: like going from ~600 for a talking head shot, to 13000 for a fast action pan

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hnitsuj:

or maybe bitrate changes too

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hnitsuj:

woohay water's back on. not bad – only taken em 14.5 hours

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hnitsuj:

bathtime!

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hashbang:

hnitsuj: w00t!

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directhex:

buildin' sdl

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iamlindoro:

directhex: I will henceforth refer all questions re: the Windows build to you with a, "Ask directhex about that. He's pretty much the expert on the Windows build."

[22:41:44]

directhex:

yeah, i ran the build script all by myself!

[22:41:48]

directhex:

i r teh supah1337!

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hashbang:

directhex: heh

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scopeuk:

directhex they finished that?

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directhex:

scopeuk, who knows? let's find out together! hold me close, it might get scary! :o

[22:42:43]

** scopeuk hugs **

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iamlindoro:

directhex: See? It's working already.

[22:43:52]

DustyBin:

watch jonnathen ross LOL

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directhex:

i can't! my frontend is still building!

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A-:

I want to support the pchdtv guys, but when I can get a hauppauge hvr-1250 for less then half the cost, I have a hard time justifying it.

[22:47:01]

A-:

I guess I'd get working (out of the box) ntsc with the hd-5500

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iamlindoro_:

But it'd still be a framegrabbery piece of shit

[22:47:48]

iamlindoro_:

for NTSC, anyway

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A-:

good point

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iamlindoro_:

But then, so's the Hauppauge

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iamlindoro_:

directhex: Windows make you asplode!

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hexxeh:

stupid dsl

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hexxeh:

buildin' fftw

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Turno:

so i just installed mythtv from ubuntu packages... how can i verify if xvmc is working? i'm trying to decode hdtv with an athlon xp1700 and a geforce 6200 and i'm running 100% cpu

[22:59:53]

Turno:

fresh install today, all updates run

[23:01:24]

DustyBin:

what button swaps tuners?

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iamlindoro_:

y

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DustyBin:

Encoder 1 is local on server and is recording: 'The Assassination of Richard Nixon' on BBC TWO. This recording will end at 12:00 AM.

[23:02:39]

DustyBin:

Encoder 2 is local on server and is recording: 'Once upon a Time in America' on Film4. This recording will end at 3:25 AM.

[23:02:43]

DustyBin:

Encoder 3 is local on server and is not recording.

[23:02:46]

DustyBin:

Encoder 4 is local on server and is not recording.

[23:02:53]

DustyBin:

all i can view now is a few channels

[23:03:14]

iamlindoro_:

That's because you are using two seperate tuners on two muxes.

[23:03:19]

DustyBin:

yep

[23:03:23]

iamlindoro_:

Your encoders are likely paired 1–3 and 2–4

[23:03:30]

DustyBin:

i need to swap the tuner to the BBC one

[23:03:47]

iamlindoro_:

Well, Y is the key.

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DustyBin:

but y doesnt do anything

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iamlindoro_:

Ah well, multirec isn't perfect

[23:05:23]

directhex:

http://www.itlovesyou.blogspot.com/

[23:05:34]

DustyBin:

the Avoid conflicts between live Tv and scheduled shows doesnt work with multirec

[23:05:35]

Turno:

anyone know if theres anything i need to do to enable geforce xvmc after a clean install, other than using the closed source nvidia drivers and selecting 'standard xvmc' in playback setup?

[23:05:56]

directhex:

Turno, you're a yank?

[23:05:57]

DustyBin:

thats all you need !

[23:06:04]

Turno:

yes

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Turno:

did i spell something with a u?

[23:06:21]

directhex:

Turno, check your frontend logs

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directhex:

Turno, and ensure your playback profile is actually using xvmc

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DustyBin:

multirec works better with "Avoid conflicts between live Tv and scheduled shows" TURNED OFF!!!!

[23:07:02]

DustyBin:

Encoder 1 is local on server and is recording: 'The Assassination of Richard Nixon' on BBC TWO. This recording will end at 12:00 AM.

[23:07:06]

DustyBin:

Encoder 2 is local on server and is recording: 'Once upon a Time in America' on Film4. This recording will end at 3:25 AM.

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DustyBin:

Encoder 3 is local on server and is watching Live TV: 'Friday Night with Jonathan Ross' on BBC ONE. This recording will end at 11:15 PM.

[23:07:12]

DustyBin:

Encoder 4 is local on server and is not recording.

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iamlindoro_:

DustyBin: Don't need the cut n' pastes

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DustyBin:

aye ok :P

[23:08:14]

DustyBin:

i can now only select channels on the same mux

[23:08:16]

DustyBin:

this is cool :D

[23:08:38]

DustyBin:

not sure why i cannot swap the tuner with 'y'

[23:08:46]

directhex:

the key mappings changed. y no longer does it. check keys.txt

[23:08:52]

DustyBin:

aye ok

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scopeuk:

how stable/useable s multi rec?

[23:09:13]

directhex:

scopeuk, works for most people

[23:09:16]

iamlindoro_:

scopeuk: Considering it's .21, it'd better be pretty stable ;)

[23:09:30]

iamlindoro_:

assuming they can wrap their heads around it, anyway

[23:09:36]

scopeuk:

we have atm 2 backends a single frotnend and a single tuner in our myth tv setup

[23:09:46]

DustyBin:

c Change tuner card input

[23:09:49]

scopeuk:

one of the backends beign a dual opteron server system

[23:10:00]

scopeuk:

im thinking of taking theslave off lien and havign a play

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iamlindoro_:

DustyBin: C is different

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iamlindoro_:

directhex: Y still works over here?

[23:10:32]

DustyBin:

strange

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directhex:

eek! incoming qt3 build! i repeat, we are building qt3 :x

[23:13:57]

DustyBin:

c works, y does nothing on multirec

[23:15:14]

DustyBin:

ive found a way to do it

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DustyBin:

by using that grey/green menu thingy

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DustyBin:

switch input >>

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DustyBin:

that grey/green menu thingy only lets you change the input once, then the option isnt there anymore

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DustyBin:

ive found my first ever mythtv bug :D

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Turno:

directhex: VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed

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directhex:

so your xvmc is twatted

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Turno:

any suggestions? Its a totally clean xubuntu 7.10 install

[23:28:43]

Turno:

using nvidia-glx-new

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Turno:

on a geforce 6200

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Turno:

anything i need in my xorg.conf?

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directhex:

check xorg.0.log to see if anything suspicious is in there

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Turno:

just stuff from when x originally started at boot

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Turno:

nothing mythtv specific

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Turno:

i'm gonna remove and reinstall mythtv... its not giving me menus anymore, just goes straight to live tv... dunno why

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anenigma_:

are you running "mythtv" or "mythfrontend" ?

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Turno:

mythtv

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Zappacky:

I'm having a problem with sound on the latest mythtv

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Zappacky:

E.g, there is no sound on any channel

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Zappacky:

I'm using alsa, and sound works fine in every other program.

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anenigma_:

Turno: then run "mythfrontend", that should give you menus. "mythtv" just starts livetv

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Turno:

no shit

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Turno:

hahahaha

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Turno:

okay, got menus again ;)

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Zappacky:

I just pulled this tv tuner card out of an old box, its bt878 based, are there any wires that need to go from it to the soundcard etC?

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Zappacky:

if not, is there something else I can try to get sound working?

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anenigma_:

Zappacky: analogue tuner i presume, if it's bt878? some of those do need a cable from the audio out on the tuner to audio in on the soundcard, iirc

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DustyBin:

its ok it was my fault, i was recording the same thing twice on 2 encoders

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DustyBin:

y doesnt work, but that grey/green menu thingy switch input does work :D

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DustyBin:

update!

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Turno:

the mythtv wiki suggests using driver version 8756 to resolve problems with agp+nvidia6200.... how can i get ahold of that version

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Turno:

can't find it on the nvidia website

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DustyBin:

ive found a key called 'next card' that works!!! there was no key assigned to it

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Turno:

would envy help?

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Zappacky:

anenigma_: yea, i figured that out just after I asked. I just plugged it in; testing now

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DustyBin:

2 tuners!! check out this

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DustyBin:

http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2516

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DustyBin:

powerful stuff

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Turno:

... i'm gonna try the ia32 drivers

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Turno:

the filename says x86

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kavorka:

im trying to upgrade to the latest version of mythtv (0.21) but im getting hit by the following error: http://pastebin.ca/952211 anybody have an idea on how to get past that? (using gentoo)

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directhex:

use a distro with less broken configure flags?

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anenigma_:

kavorka: step back in revisions, imho. i've got 16483 compiled fine.

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anenigma_:

the gentoo guys tend to just update revision numbers at first, especially for packages which are still in testing.

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anenigma_:

kavorka: i'd also suggest searching for a gentoo bug report/posting one

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kavorka:

is it do with an unkown use flag?

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directhex:

really though, using a from-source distribution and not being able to read or diangose plain-text source compilation issues is... ill-fated

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kavorka:

thanks guys

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Zappacky:

ok, I connected the cord from the bt878 analog tuner to my soundcard

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Zappacky:

still no sound

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Turno:

i can't believe i shut down gdm on the wrong machine

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