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| [00:39:17] | dm-madman: | It seems like the simplest solution to adding radio stations to myth is to just modify the channel class |
| [00:39:32] | dm-madman: | consider radio stations 'just another channel' |
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| [01:25:02] | DustyBin: | Nova-T 500 is still kicking ass :D |
| [01:26:35] | dm-madman: | dtv receiver |
| [01:26:56] | dm-madman: | dual tuners ? |
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| [01:28:37] | DustyBin: | dual tuners |
| [01:28:38] | DustyBin: | yes |
| [01:29:07] | DustyBin: | everything is working like a dog on heat |
| [01:29:19] | DustyBin: | Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2008-03–20 01:16 and ended on 2008-03–20 01:19. Successful. |
| [01:29:22] | DustyBin: | There's guide data until 2008-04–02 02:15 (13 days). |
| [01:29:34] | dm-madman: | what driver do you use for that |
| [01:29:39] | dm-madman: | ivtv? |
| [01:30:17] | DustyBin: | i installed the v4l-dvb drivers |
| [01:30:25] | DustyBin: | plus i put in some firmware |
| [01:31:01] | dm-madman: | you get HD with that, i guess |
| [01:32:09] | DustyBin: | nope, HD here in the UK doesnt exist |
| [01:32:16] | dm-madman: | i can't find any...closest i see is the Nova-S-Plus 790 |
| [01:32:36] | DustyBin: | 720x576 is all we get |
| [01:33:15] | dm-madman: | hmm, i was thinking HD was somewhere along the lines of 640x480 |
| [01:33:39] | dm-madman: | and SD something like 300xSomething |
| [01:34:04] | dm-madman: | i have been wrong before, though |
| [01:40:47] | dm-madman: | holy crap...i was way off...1920x1080 |
| [01:43:36] | iamlindoro__: | Well that's *an* HD anyway, there's also 1280x720 and that 1920x1080 comes in two flavors, soooo |
| [01:43:42] | iamlindoro__: | yeah, you were a ways off :) |
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| [01:48:14] | BobSlob: | Anyone happen to know the best decoder combo to use for playback... to get the best possible picture?\ |
| [01:48:29] | BobSlob: | i cant seem too get anything other than what looks like a youtube video |
| [01:49:21] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro__: seems like all digital cable boxes get their channel lists from some piece of equipment at the headend |
| [01:49:40] | iamlindoro__: | CCFL_Man2: Yup |
| [01:50:00] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro__: you remember what the unit is called? |
| [01:51:26] | iamlindoro__: | CCFL_Man2: No, I don't, I'm sorry |
| [01:51:51] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm having doubts that atsc/qam stbs support mp2 audio |
| [01:54:18] | CCFL_Man2: | this is killing me |
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| [01:54:37] | iamlindoro__: | BobSlob: The video quality has as much to do with the bitrate and resolution which you are capturing as the playback profile-- in fact, moreso |
| [01:54:45] | iamlindoro__: | far moreso |
| [01:55:37] | iamlindoro__: | But if you want the higher end video playback settings, Standard decoder, xv-blit or OpenGL video renderer, and one of the deinterlacers that tells you how tough it is in the description, ie Greedy 2x, Yadif, etc. |
| [01:56:56] | iamlindoro__: | after that, HD looks best, SD captured digitally looks good, SD captured via analog looks bad, SD captured via analog at a low bitrate looks like ass, and SD captured via analog by a framegrabber looks like extra-assy-ass |
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| [01:57:32] | BobSlob: | i need SD captured by analog to atleast look like when its hooked up directly |
| [01:57:44] | iamlindoro__: | BobSlob: Never gonna happen |
| [01:58:18] | qcjn: | hi, i pretty new to linux...i've got a hautppauge pvr150...i want an app that does recording, and that is not to laborious installing.. Is mythtv the thing..and if so, could direct me to a step by step tutorial ? |
| [01:58:27] | iamlindoro__: | BobSlob: You are adding an extra encode and an extra conversion to the process, the quality will *always* be inferior to straight analog tuning |
| [01:58:36] | CCFL_Man2: | ahh, extra-assy-ass |
| [01:59:14] | BobSlob: | iamlindoro: actually i got the picture looking decent... except it pixelated during high movement, and what i think is called tearing |
| [01:59:29] | iamlindoro__: | BobSlob: tearing is not pixelation |
| [01:59:35] | BobSlob: | no, both |
| [01:59:52] | BobSlob: | like... a section of the screen is over a few pixels from where it should be for a split second |
| [01:59:56] | BobSlob: | every few seconds |
| [02:00:01] | BobSlob: | is that called tearing? |
| [02:00:04] | iamlindoro__: | You can crank up the bitrate a bit, but like I explained, you're adding a digital encode to what is already a shitty source, there will be artifacts |
| [02:00:18] | iamlindoro__: | BobSlob: Yes, that sounds roughly like tearing |
| [02:00:52] | iamlindoro__: | tearing can sometimes be fixed with the opengl vsync setting, you should lookinto that |
| [02:01:37] | iamlindoro__: | qcjn: New linux users sometimes find Myth's install to be difficult. It can take time and some real research to understand the concepts. If you don't have some time to devote to really jumping in and learning how all the pieces fit together, it may not be for you. The simplest way to get it installed is probably Mythbuntu and choosing the right, well supported hardware |
| [02:02:38] | qcjn: | ok, thanks, ill think of it |
| [02:04:54] | qcjn: | iamlindoro: is there somethin i could read that would help me to understand the concept and the pieces that fits togheter ? |
| [02:05:06] | qcjn: | of mythtv |
| [02:05:24] | iamlindoro__: | qcjn: Start with the "Documentation" link on mythtv.org. When you don't understand a concept or what's going on, look it up in the wiki |
| [02:05:50] | BobSlob: | qcjn: mythbuntu actually has a nice ~120 page or so manual |
| [02:06:01] | iamlindoro__: | The wiki is also a great source for most terms you might be curious about, setup of particular tuners, etc. |
| [02:06:51] | iamlindoro__: | BobSlob: Sounds like the real mythtv manual you are talking about :) |
| [02:07:34] | BobSlob: | iamlindoro: quite possible =D |
| [02:08:23] | qcjn: | ok thanks |
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| [02:27:34] | Arfdee: | xris, |
| [02:27:41] | Arfdee: | you can move the time bar in flash mythweb player |
| [02:28:20] | Arfdee: | if only there's a way to pop out the screen |
| [02:29:01] | xris: | I don't know enough about Flex to make changes like that |
| [02:29:27] | Arfdee: | xris, i was just thinking of a javascript popup window |
| [02:29:56] | xris: | I was referring to the time bar thingie... but there's already a full screen mode on the current player — I just think it's broken |
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| [02:30:05] | Arfdee: | oh, that works |
| [02:30:12] | Arfdee: | i don't want full screen, i want a window pop out to move around |
| [02:30:54] | CCFL_Man2: | anyone here have qam channels? |
| [02:31:23] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2: Don't you ask that, like, daily? Many, many, many of us do. |
| [02:32:05] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: i just want to hear from the people that i never talked to :P |
| [02:32:17] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2: At the expense of the people you have? |
| [02:32:44] | CCFL_Man2: | lol, thats true |
| [02:33:03] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2: If you want to reach a wide audience and not drive us crazy, why not post to the -users list or on mythtvtalk.com? |
| [02:33:16] | CCFL_Man2: | perfect idea |
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| [02:34:00] | iamlindoro: | That way, if you want someone to look at a recording from a channel (I assume this is re: your music channels) you can have them do an ffmpeg -i recordingfilfrommusicchannel.mpg and post results |
| [02:34:12] | xris: | CCFL_Man2: plus, asking "do you have QAM?" doesn't help much if you're just going to wait before asking the second half of your question. |
| [02:34:22] | xris: | anyone who has cable in the US has QAM channels.... |
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| [02:34:39] | xris: | some of which are unencrypted. most of which are encrypted |
| [02:34:43] | CCFL_Man2: | well, yes |
| [02:35:14] | iamlindoro: | Comcast's Music channels in my area make MythTV extra-sad-crashy |
| [02:36:01] | iamlindoro: | Luckily I've invested in this new technology which does the same, a radio. |
| [02:36:18] | xris: | iamlindoro: yeah, they crash my box about half the time. but I solve that by not using them. :) |
| [02:36:37] | iamlindoro: | xris: Hehe, you and me both, and was just about to say, about a 50% success rate w/ 'em |
| [02:37:49] | CCFL_Man2: | xris: you don't have mp2 audio on any of your in the clear channels, do you? |
| [02:38:01] | iamlindoro: | That said, the fact that they're all on one mux here would make them *kinda* cool from a multirec point of view, if I wanted to store 33 channels of crappy music for some reason |
| [02:38:05] | xris: | CCFL_Man2: I don't use qam.. |
| [02:38:41] | xris: | iamlindoro: comcast seems to rebroadcast a few of my local stations.. I think including npr, but definitely the classical station |
| [02:38:58] | iamlindoro: | xris: Ah, NPR *would* be neat |
| [02:39:15] | xris: | I just don't listen to the radio.. used to listen to npr on my long commute, but I don't have that problem anymore. podcasts are just piling up. |
| [02:39:17] | CCFL_Man2: | ahh, both of you have cumcast |
| [02:40:00] | CCFL_Man2: | shame you are unable to put up big dishes |
| [02:40:11] | iamlindoro: | xris: I have a completely untested hunch that they would *record* fine and that the crash is on the playback attempt. If I really, really wanted something from them I could set up a user job to demux and convert, I suppose |
| [02:40:23] | xris: | yeah |
| [02:40:30] | xris: | CCFL_Man2: big disk would be expensive. |
| [02:40:36] | xris: | dish, even |
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| [02:40:43] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2: xris and I got get perfect digital copies of hundeds of channels via firewire. And I think you're a big ol' nerd ;) |
| [02:40:55] | CCFL_Man2: | i got mine for $150 |
| [02:41:00] | CCFL_Man2: | oh, firewire |
| [02:41:25] | iamlindoro: | I can watch my sweet sweet Discovery Channel HD action for $33 a month. You pay $33 a month to run your QAM modulator |
| [02:41:35] | xris: | CCFL_Man2: dish + rotor + receiver + service |
| [02:41:36] | CCFL_Man2: | haha! |
| [02:42:01] | iamlindoro: | + never ever EVAR EVAR getting laid again |
| [02:42:10] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [02:42:13] | CCFL_Man2: | lol |
| [02:42:27] | CCFL_Man2: | xris: you don't want multiple dishes? |
| [02:42:48] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2: *nobody* wants multiple dishes! |
| [02:43:08] | CCFL_Man2: | i do :P |
| [02:43:11] | iamlindoro: | We just want the TV fairie to bring us porno when we ask for it, and not bill us too much |
| [02:43:13] | xris: | CCFL_Man2: why? |
| [02:43:32] | xris: | unless you have like 20 acres and can hide them out of sight... |
| [02:43:46] | CCFL_Man2: | xris: i'm in the process of settung up my own mini headend |
| [02:43:56] | iamlindoro: | back behind where you bury the bodies of the drifters you've gotten to follow you home then strangled |
| [02:44:08] | CCFL_Man2: | lol |
| [02:44:25] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: my tv fairie comes from the sky |
| [02:44:29] | flexy: | I have 2 debian machines, one dedicated htpc, other is laptop. Both are amd64 machines, including installations. dedicated is working just fine with debian.multimedia packages of mythtv, but laptop segfaults right after running mythfrontend. Has done so about 4–6 months now. I even tried svn on my htpc and laptop. that too worked fine in htpc, but segfaulted in laptop... I'm clueless. Any ideas? |
| [02:44:42] | xris: | CCFL_Man2: sounds like a lot of work that will turn into a large legal headache |
| [02:45:13] | CCFL_Man2: | xris: the headend is for my house, not for anyone else |
| [02:45:16] | xris: | flexy: upgrade to trunk instead of 0.19-fixes (sorry, you said svn, but not WHERE in svn) |
| [02:45:31] | xris: | CCFL_Man2: then it sounds like overkill. :) |
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| [02:46:11] | CCFL_Man2: | xris: i mainly want the transport streams from c band downlinks of the tv stations, thats really all i want |
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| [02:47:12] | flexy: | xris: 0.20, 0.21, latest svn in december. all segfaults in laptop, but works fine in dedicated htpc. |
| [02:47:43] | flexy: | xris: latest svn in january also segfaults... |
| [02:47:53] | iamlindoro: | svn *trunk* |
| [02:47:55] | sphery: | Anduin: I finally got a chance to look at that bt (I took your words as a challenge ;), and I have to say that either your definition of "relatively easy to spot" and mine differ or you have some tricks up your sleeve that I don't. I actually looked through all 29 threads (because of randomly starting on #13 and working my way down to 1, then from 29 to 14) before I spotted it. Did you just search for "= 0x0" or something? |
| [02:48:07] | xris: | flexy: I just like to give people a hard time for saying "svn" but not specifying where they pull from (since lots of people use svn to get the fixes branch).... if you want help with segfaults, you should read the stuff at svn.mythtv.org about getting backtraces and creating tickets. |
| [02:48:09] | flexy: | iamlindoro: that too |
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| [02:49:32] | xris: | I just assume that if someone says "svn" they mean 0.19-fixes... |
| [02:49:38] | xris: | saves a lot of trouble in the long run. :) |
| [02:50:06] | flexy: | xris: perhaps I should do that. But then again, I use pretty new linux distro, can do this and that.. but I'm terrible in running gdb or sw like that, that would help developers... perhaps I have not stumbled to the right howto about gdb... |
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| [02:50:38] | xris: | flexy: I've been a mythtv developer for like 5 years and still don't know how to use gdb very well. the instructions linked to from the mythtv ticket system work pretty well, though. |
| [02:50:42] | flexy: | xris: I meant 0.20, 0.20-fixes, just released 0.21 |
| [02:50:53] | iamlindoro: | flexy: It's in the Myth manual, too-- what distro is that? |
| [02:51:01] | flexy: | iamlindoro: debian |
| [02:51:21] | iamlindoro: | That qualifies as "pretty new distro?" :) |
| [02:51:35] | flexy: | iamlindoro: I've been using linux since -99, debian unstable since -01, but gdb is mystery to me |
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| [02:51:58] | flexy: | iamlindoro: not the stable, but perhaps unstable? |
| [02:52:06] | sphery: | flexy: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
| [02:52:17] | iamlindoro: | flexy: ah well, if I can figure it out I'm sure you'll succeed, it's just two or three commands to give something useful |
| [02:52:35] | sphery: | and don't "cut out the extra" :) |
| [02:52:52] | xris: | yeah. big file, attach to the ticket, be patient. |
| [02:53:52] | flexy: | sphery: that might be the clue to this one... I must read that url tomorrow, after hangover has gone by :) |
| [02:54:06] | flexy: | sphery: I'm sure I will not do that... ;) |
| [02:54:29] | ** iamlindoro notes that nobody has come in lately asking how to install myth on CompletelyObscureLinux 2 Users in the world edition ** | |
| [02:55:16] | flexy: | xris: I've been patient, about half a year, waiting for someone to get the info to devs... thinking that this laptop is not so special, other people must be stumbling to this issue too... |
| [02:55:41] | sphery: | I'm running Ultimate Boot CD and MythTV doesn't seem to compile on it. Any hints? |
| [02:55:41] | CCFL_Man2: | how do you install mythtv on HP-UX? :P |
| [02:56:01] | xris: | flexy: could be a thousand things about your specific setup and usage patterns, though. |
| [02:56:12] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2: Blasphemy! Not NEARLY obscure enough |
| [02:56:17] | flexy: | iamlindoro: I've managed to install about everything since hammer and anvil, but this laptop is taking the better of me... :) |
| [02:56:22] | sphery: | flexy: It's not the laptop that's special. It's you. You're the only one who has ever used Myth that way. :) |
| [02:56:23] | xris: | iamlindoro: how about A-UX? |
| [02:56:29] | iamlindoro: | sphery: *that* one we've seen : |
| [02:56:30] | iamlindoro: | :) |
| [02:56:33] | flexy: | xris: very much possible |
| [02:56:36] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Really? |
| [02:56:52] | iamlindoro: | sphery: asking re: boot CD linuxen? heh, yeah |
| [02:56:58] | iamlindoro: | xris: *now* we're talking |
| [02:57:19] | xris: | iamlindoro: I tried that once... then thought that I much preferred mac os on my macs. :) |
| [02:57:22] | iamlindoro: | sphery: and it was an obscure enough boot CD distro that I had to go google it, none of the usual suspects |
| [02:57:51] | flexy: | sphery: that comment reminds me of the army... there's nothing wrong with the equipment, or the size of it. It's perfect. The fault is at the size of the man. :D |
| [02:58:01] | iamlindoro: | xris: heck, even boot camp makes me feel dirty |
| [02:58:19] | sphery: | Wow. I guess if people knew what wasn't possible, far fewer things would be possible (because no one would have hammered that sqare peg until it fit into the round hole). |
| [02:58:21] | xris: | iamlindoro: I run vmware |
| [02:58:29] | xris: | sort of have to for work.. I *occasionally* need IE |
| [02:58:46] | iamlindoro: | xris: I haven't tried in on the mac, but do use Parallels as appropriate, so same difference |
| [02:59:05] | xris: | parallels doesn't do 64 bit yet.. no biggie for windows, but it's nice for linux |
| [02:59:23] | iamlindoro: | sphery: amusingly someone had written up a blog post on doing it, without once mentioning it all goes bye-bye on reboot |
| [02:59:44] | flexy: | xris: same thing here. well, not exactly. don't need IE, just windows web browser to access net bank... |
| [02:59:52] | iamlindoro: | xris: yeah, haven't run into any stumbling block wrt that yet, I mostly just fire it up for the occasional util here and there |
| [03:00:45] | xris: | flexy: I'm a web designer.. needs to be IE. |
| [03:01:00] | sphery: | xris: I use i.e. way too often, but I've never needed vmware. Regardless, I'm thinking of trying to use e.g. more often. |
| [03:01:04] | xris: | though I also need IE for quickbooks online for schedules direct. but thankfully passed most of those duties off to someone else recently |
| [03:01:24] | flexy: | xris: I build buildings, need to use axe. :D |
| [03:01:29] | xris: | sphery: i.e. means "in other words", e.g. means "for example" |
| [03:01:32] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [03:01:50] | xris: | flexy: I have one of those, too. shiny one, silver inlay. REALLY sharp, works great on trees. |
| [03:01:55] | xris: | probably not so good for building things. |
| [03:02:02] | flexy: | right :) |
| [03:02:39] | flexy: | anyway, I'm pretty damn satisfied by 0.21 so far. |
| [03:02:39] | ** xris knows a few professional blacksmiths — handy people to know. ** | |
| [03:02:56] | iamlindoro: | in case your horse ever throws a shoe? |
| [03:03:20] | sphery: | or you need a new suit of armor |
| [03:03:24] | iamlindoro: | If it weren't for my horse, I would never have spent that year in college |
| [03:03:38] | xris: | blacksmith, not ferrier |
| [03:04:07] | sphery: | xris is quite the linguist today... |
| [03:04:15] | xris: | http://welandsmithy.com/Pictures/ |
| [03:04:20] | xris: | sphery: I like words. |
| [03:04:23] | iamlindoro: | A blacksmith can make a horseshoe :) |
| [03:04:30] | flexy: | one thing, the upnp thingie that scans thru video dir (not mythtv recordings, but .mpg, .avi and stuff like that), (I'm not 100% sure, but it seems to) wake up sleeping disk with that partiotion too often... just by scanning if there is anything new... |
| [03:04:37] | sphery: | that's a common trait among developers |
| [03:05:12] | xris: | iamlindoro: yes... but that's like saying a chef can make grilled cheese |
| [03:05:27] | iamlindoro: | See? |
| [03:05:32] | iamlindoro: | I accept your apology |
| [03:05:35] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [03:05:41] | iamlindoro: | hehe |
| [03:05:49] | sphery: | flexy: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/312454#312454 |
| [03:05:54] | flexy: | I just today upgraded stuff with new hd... |
| [03:06:03] | flexy: | sphery: I'll check that right now |
| [03:06:06] | jams: | many chefs can manage to screw up a good grilled cheese. |
| [03:06:30] | xris: | jams: that's sad... |
| [03:06:45] | ** sphery gets hungry ** | |
| [03:06:55] | iamlindoro: | Mmm, me too, foodtime |
| [03:07:03] | xris: | yay, myth actually recorded my show... stupid firewire bugs... |
| [03:07:12] | ** xris just had pizza ** | |
| [03:07:17] | xris: | wine and/or scotch comes next. |
| [03:07:19] | jams: | it's a simple thing which is it's beauty. No need to make it fancy and fail. |
| [03:07:49] | sphery: | A nice grilled cheese with tomato soup... |
| [03:08:04] | cesman: | grilled cheese and clam chowder |
| [03:08:24] | jams: | just grilled cheese. |
| [03:08:24] | xris: | clam chowder should go in a bread bowl.. grilled cheese goes with tomato soup. :) |
| [03:08:28] | iamlindoro__: | xris: The firewire stuff I was encountering was my own doing, I've had really reliable (well, for Comcast) performance with 16590 trunk |
| [03:08:53] | johndbritton: | some recorded programs have sound and others don't I suspect that the PVR-500 is not recording sound on one of the two tuners, how can i troubleshoot this |
| [03:08:55] | flexy: | sphery: quick skimming just showed that some one else also had stumbled across this thingie... but no solution... |
| [03:09:00] | ** iamlindoro__ tosses HD-PVRs into the crowd like a DVR Santa ** | |
| [03:09:28] | xris: | iamlindoro__: mine is either the controller (though I doubt it because I've tried 2), the drivers (known wackiness in fedora, though I'm using a kernel that should be ok), something in myth (possible), or an os update on the cable boxes themselves. or... a combination of several of the above. |
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| [03:09:46] | xris: | johndbritton: turn off one of the tuners? |
| [03:10:03] | johndbritton: | xris: but then i can only record one thing at a time |
| [03:10:35] | xris: | johndbritton: for testing, you definitely want to only record one thing at a time. |
| [03:10:36] | flexy: | sphery: and I'm more of the person who makes dishwasher to work with computer, thru serial port, by adding hardware to dishwasher... and modifying some program, offering knife to bash scripts... etc. |
| [03:10:54] | johndbritton: | xris: both tuners worked for a while |
| [03:10:57] | xris: | johndbritton: otherwise, you won't know which tuner is broken. |
| [03:10:59] | johndbritton: | a few months |
| [03:11:01] | johndbritton: | i see |
| [03:11:09] | xris: | brb, OS update, need to reboot. |
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| [03:12:37] | sphery: | flexy: Right. They haven't yet "fixed" the issue for those who a) don't use UPnP for videos and b) spin down HDD's. |
| [03:13:40] | iamlindoro__: | I get angry every single time my HDDs spin down... I'm 100% behind saving power/being green, just wish it didn't take so darn long |
| [03:14:37] | sphery: | not to mention HDD failures due to repeated sping up/down cycles. |
| [03:16:25] | iamlindoro__: | Sheesh, all the good TV is finally coming back. Woo hoo! |
| [03:16:26] | sphery: | I'm just not a fan of the compromises you have to make to actually make HDD spin downs save money (i.e. slowing down log flushes, noatime, etc.) |
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| [03:17:22] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: And unfortunately, so is a bunch of what doesn't sound like good TV. I like for them to cancel a series I haven't started watching. Then, I don't feel guilty for deleting it without watching. |
| [03:17:52] | iamlindoro__: | sphery: I've gotten good at ignoring the tsunami of poop on TV :) |
| [03:18:47] | iamlindoro__: | But Battlestar, Chuck, Pushing Daisies... Woo hoo! Plus, Firefly coming back to Universal HD next month so I can get those archived in HD, and Doctor Who fairly shortly too |
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| [03:22:56] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: No new Firefly, right? |
| [03:23:02] | iamlindoro__: | No :( |
| [03:23:27] | sphery: | I've been setting my Myth box to record all new series, so I have a lot that I don't think I'll ever watch. I want it to be cancelled so I can delete it. |
| [03:23:47] | iamlindoro__: | Heh |
| [03:23:48] | sphery: | I generally wait until the season is over to start watching any new series. |
| [03:23:57] | sphery: | don't want to get invested. |
| [03:24:08] | iamlindoro__: | Well that's pretty smart, if you can put up with it, you get to watch it all unfold at once |
| [03:24:38] | iamlindoro__: | I do like to have my weekly, out-loud "What the FECK?" with LOST, though |
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| [03:24:49] | sphery: | Do you know how they're getting the HD versions of Firefly? Was the original source HD (or high-res analog) or is is upscaled? |
| [03:25:18] | iamlindoro__: | The live action stuff was shot in HD, but not aired as such by fox, the CG was 480p and is upscaled, sadly |
| [03:25:19] | sphery: | Yeah. I've found TV is much easier to follow when you watch only one series at a time and watch it one season at a time. |
| [03:25:37] | sphery: | Still not bad. I didn't realize the live action was ever HD. |
| [03:26:13] | iamlindoro__: | yeah, Fox aired it in 480, though, so Uni HD is the only shot to see it properly |
| [03:26:20] | sphery: | Now the question is whether I'll ever replace my DVD's with high-res versions (I guess, now, BD-ROM's). |
| [03:26:57] | sphery: | I watched the original 9 aired episodes in NTSC, so my DVD's were high res in comparison. :) |
| [03:27:01] | iamlindoro__: | I have the SD stuff. Had a Mythvideo array fail on me afew months ago and decided to hold out on all new material and insist that it be HD only |
| [03:27:29] | iamlindoro__: | So the DVDs are sitting in the closet, but I'm gonna re-enjoy it in HD next month :) |
| [03:28:11] | sphery: | My Myth box has never recorded an episode of my favorite show (Stargate SG-1). I buy the DVD's, and they're much better quality than the letterboxed and pillarboxed syndicated episodes they air here (I don't have SciFi). |
| [03:28:38] | iamlindoro__: | ah. We can't all be like xris and have Sci Fi Hd already (angry, jealous glance) |
| [03:28:53] | sphery: | No joke. SciFi HD to Myth would be nice. |
| [03:29:14] | xris: | iamlindoro__: but I still can't really record it |
| [03:29:23] | sphery: | and Food HD to Myth would be nice (wow... You can see the individual pepper flakes.) |
| [03:29:32] | iamlindoro__: | Comcast finally rolling it out in my area + It being open on firewire or Hauppauge HD-PVR = win |
| [03:29:38] | flexy: | sphery: yep. I'm whining because ext2 filesystem would allow me to spin down for 2–7 days, for average... this upnp thingie seems to prevent me to do that... |
| [03:29:56] | sphery: | 2–7 days? |
| [03:30:23] | sphery: | I was figuring more like 20–70mins... |
| [03:30:48] | sphery: | Though, you should be able to set it up so that only one HDD ever spins up because of the UPnP media scan. |
| [03:30:50] | iamlindoro__: | xris: 5C or...? |
| [03:30:57] | sphery: | broken firewire? |
| [03:34:03] | xris: | yeah, just broken firewire. |
| [03:34:19] | xris: | pretty much all of my cable channels are 5c. the box just decrypts them for me before sending over firewire. |
| [03:39:53] | iamlindoro__: | Hope springs eternal! Looks like they *are* rolling out SFHD in my area in the near future |
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| [03:49:53] | flexy: | sphery: I have mostly porn on that partition. And I travel for 2–3 weeks to work, then spend 1 week home. would be nice to keep the unused disk spinned down during that period I'm away. |
| [03:52:42] | flexy: | sphery: my bigger hd is used for tv recordings and playbacks. that uses xfs (and ext3 for root). the smaller drive is used for music, digital pictures and videos. Only those. this should be spun down within 12 minutes after last usage, and stay that way until next usage. |
| [03:54:54] | flexy: | sphery: but this upnp thingie, what ever it is, scanning thru the directories, if something has changed, spinning up the disk all the time. seems pretty stupid to spin up the disk all the time, just because "if something has been added there"... dnotify was invented quite a while ago... |
| [03:55:19] | flexy: | might be something newer now... dunno about that |
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| [03:57:14] | iamlindoro__: | flexy: If you don't intend to use uPnP, you can always start backend with --noupnp |
| [03:57:29] | iamlindoro__: | IIRC on the command line option, that is |
| [03:57:34] | flexy: | iamlindoro__: ahaa, that was news to me |
| [03:58:11] | flexy: | uPnP, what usage there is for that? besides this mythvideo dir scanning? |
| [03:58:29] | iamlindoro__: | sharing the media to uPnP devices (ie media extenders, xbox 360, PS3, etc) |
| [03:58:32] | xris: | flexy: power button helps for the spinning down of disks... |
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| [03:58:34] | flexy: | iamlindoro__: must/might be something more... |
| [03:58:54] | flexy: | xris: can't do that. computers are made to be online. |
| [03:59:10] | xris: | flexy: they last a lot longer if you don't turn them on, though. :) |
| [03:59:13] | iamlindoro__: | flexy: read my last, it's not necessary in a strictly traditional myth setup |
| [03:59:17] | xris: | I was thinking more like "external drive" |
| [03:59:21] | flexy: | xris: and hd's have the capability to spindown... for a reason... ;) |
| [03:59:21] | JDStone: | when I run mythbackend it wants to upgrade to the new schema, so I say yes, and then it fails at upgrading it |
| [03:59:28] | iamlindoro__: | xris: really poor performance that way ;) |
| [03:59:40] | xris: | iamlindoro__: well, can't have everything. :) |
| [04:00:38] | iamlindoro__: | JDStone: The failure message will give you the issue w/ the database to correct |
| [04:00:39] | flexy: | iamlindoro__: hmmm, if there is nothing more, then I might do without uPnP |
| [04:01:06] | JDStone: | iamlindoro__: it says "Database error was: |
| [04:01:06] | JDStone: | Can't DROP 'programid'; check that column/key exists" |
| [04:01:19] | JDStone: | should I try and create it? |
| [04:01:21] | flexy: | iamlindoro__: so combined front/backend does not suffer from disabling uPnP? |
| [04:01:51] | iamlindoro__: | flexy: Nope |
| [04:01:53] | ** cesman wonders why you'd need UPnP for a combo.... ** | |
| [04:02:09] | flexy: | iamlindoro__: OK, that seems like option to me |
| [04:02:28] | iamlindoro__: | JDStone: yup |
| [04:04:05] | flexy: | iamlindoro__: is there a nice signal to send to mythtv-backend to reload the conf file, other than totally reloading it? |
| [04:04:20] | iamlindoro__: | flexy: What conf file? |
| [04:04:50] | flexy: | iamlindoro__: I know that kill -9 is a bit harsh... the conf file that I modified to include the --noupnp option |
| [04:05:00] | iamlindoro__: | Are you sure you don't mean init script? |
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| [04:05:14] | flexy: | yes, I'm sure I mean that :D |
| [04:05:20] | iamlindoro__: | sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart |
| [04:06:21] | flexy: | iamlindoro__: ok. I did that. must be the 0.2% alcohol in my blood causing me to ask stupid things :D |
| [04:06:27] | iamlindoro__: | s'ok |
| [04:07:15] | Anduin: | sphery: No, I just looked at them sequentially, skipping any that were clearly sleeping. After that there are only two choices and one of them looks clearly wrong :) |
| [04:07:24] | flexy: | iamlindoro__: should logs for backend show something after that operation? |
| [04:07:41] | iamlindoro__: | flexy: Nothing unusual, no, just the normal stuff |
| [04:07:51] | iamlindoro__: | don't drink and Myth, kids |
| [04:07:55] | iamlindoro__: | stay in school |
| [04:08:01] | flexy: | :D |
| [04:08:45] | flexy: | iamlindoro__: it's 6AM here, I'm allowed to drink. :) (haven't gone to bed yet, so I'm not drinking right after waking up) :D |
| [04:08:57] | iamlindoro__: | Suuuuure you are |
| [04:08:58] | iamlindoro__: | ;) |
| [04:09:10] | Arfdee: | xris, yeah, i can forward and rewing |
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| [04:09:14] | Arfdee: | with the flash player for mythweb |
| [04:09:15] | flexy: | :) |
| [04:09:21] | Arfdee: | the only thing lacking is a javascript popout window |
| [04:09:55] | JDStone: | iamlindoro__: what should the type be for a column called "programid" |
| [04:10:27] | iamlindoro__: | JDStone: not sure I understand the question |
| [04:11:23] | JDStone: | you said try and create the column |
| [04:11:39] | iamlindoro__: | uh huh... |
| [04:11:43] | iamlindoro__: | and? |
| [04:11:48] | JDStone: | should I make a varchar? |
| [04:11:49] | JDStone: | int? |
| [04:11:53] | JDStone: | what type? |
| [04:12:19] | iamlindoro__: | JDStone: I haven't been using .20 for a long time, I haven't had that table in forever. It very likely doesn't matter as it only needs to be droppable |
| [04:12:36] | JDStone: | oh, i see |
| [04:12:37] | JDStone: | thanks |
| [04:12:41] | iamlindoro__: | np |
| [04:13:09] | iamlindoro__: | So long as it responds to a "DROP column 'programid';" you're probably in good shape |
| [04:14:05] | JDStone: | alrighty, cool |
| [04:14:07] | JDStone: | :) |
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| [04:16:42] | kmyth: | hi... i just updated my system w/ apt-get and i cant get mythvideo to install |
| [04:16:55] | JDStone: | kmyth: what error are you getting? |
| [04:16:57] | kmyth: | its kept back even with dist-upgrade |
| [04:17:12] | JDStone: | kmyth: ubuntu? |
| [04:17:14] | kmyth: | yes |
| [04:17:19] | JDStone: | gutsy? |
| [04:17:21] | kmyth: | yes |
| [04:17:33] | JDStone: | let me see if I can install it |
| [04:17:41] | iamlindoro: | slow mirror propagation ftl |
| [04:17:51] | kmyth: | when did the updates happen? |
| [04:17:56] | iamlindoro: | kmyth: a long time ago |
| [04:18:07] | kmyth: | im using main server |
| [04:18:12] | iamlindoro: | kmyth: as I recall it has to do with conflicting repositories |
| [04:18:33] | JDStone: | hmm, doesn't work for me either |
| [04:18:36] | JDStone: | i don't know |
| [04:18:39] | iamlindoro: | search the users list from a week or two ago, there's a thread about it |
| [04:18:41] | JDStone: | sorry I can't help |
| [04:18:49] | iamlindoro: | along with a fix |
| [04:19:03] | kmyth: | yeah theres two versions in multiverse |
| [04:19:17] | JDStone: | kmyth: ask in #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [04:19:31] | kmyth: | oh wow i cant see my channel list |
| [04:19:35] | kmyth: | i thought this was |
| [04:19:36] | kmyth: | sorry |
| [04:19:55] | JDStone: | it's okay |
| [04:19:56] | JDStone: | np |
| [04:19:59] | JDStone: | good luck |
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| [04:27:49] | sphery: | Anduin: I see. I guess that means your threshold for boredom is greater than mine. Anyway, thanks for the explanation. (I was wondering because I was hoping to learn some new tricks.) |
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| [05:12:53] | robbins876_: | Anduin, you around? |
| [05:13:28] | Anduin: | Not for lirc help :) |
| [05:13:35] | robbins876_: | well then |
| [05:13:38] | robbins876_: | i think i got it figured out |
| [05:13:52] | robbins876_: | i was having issues with permissions for /dev/lirc |
| [05:14:02] | robbins876_: | so i made a script that chmods it on boot |
| [05:14:05] | robbins876_: | it seems to be working out |
| [05:16:15] | Anduin: | robbins876_: /dev/lircd should be the one you care about (that is the one clients talk to) |
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| [05:22:23] | JDStone: | I'm getting "unknown socket" in mythbackend log when I try to connect a client to the master backend |
| [05:22:44] | JDStone: | and then the client says "failed to connect to the mysql database |
| [05:22:51] | JDStone: | any ideas? |
| [05:24:54] | iamlindoro: | JDStone: are both the frontend and backend identical revisions? |
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| [05:31:41] | Dagmar: | Okay, one of you f**kers is sitting on the netsplit button again. |
| [05:31:41] | Dagmar: | Move your fat a**. |
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| [05:31:41] | JDStone: | iamlindoro: and then it says "socket closing" on the backend log |
| [05:31:41] | JDStone: | err, "unknown socket closing" |
| [05:31:51] | JDStone: | about 20 seconds later |
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| [05:32:12] | iamlindoro: | Then you need to run frontend and backend with -v all or -v most for more info-- it's also possible that you are overlooking more helpful info, it never helps to have you paraphrasing the logs instead of pastebinning them |
| [05:32:22] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: total power usage is 850mA at 5v and 300mA at 12v, add the ohms law results together and you get total power usage of the qam modulator and rf upconverter |
| [05:32:34] | JDStone: | iamlindoro: oh, sorry |
| [05:32:42] | JDStone: | pastebin link? |
| [05:32:48] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2: Why in god's name would I care? |
| [05:33:12] | iamlindoro: | JDStone: pastebin.com? Pastebin.ca? openpaste.org? rafb.net? <points at /topic> |
| [05:33:51] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: to see how right you were in saying it cost $33 a month to run :P |
| [05:34:03] | JDStone: | oh, der, thanks |
| [05:34:16] | CCFL_Man2: | i have no calculator on my sgell |
| [05:34:19] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2: If you don't think all that shit you have plugged in costs you more than $33 a month, you must not be paying the bills |
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| [05:35:00] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: it costs a shitload, it does draw so much power |
| [05:35:08] | iamlindoro: | exacty |
| [05:35:11] | iamlindoro: | er exactly |
| [05:35:16] | CCFL_Man2: | the motorola ird draws 60w |
| [05:36:16] | CCFL_Man2: | and it only foes one multiplex |
| [05:36:20] | CCFL_Man2: | does |
| [05:38:55] | JDStone: | iamlindoro: http://pastebin.com/m69e4fb0e |
| [05:40:08] | iamlindoro: | JDStone: dunno about that, probably need more verbosity, and the frontend log... I'm headed to bed though so someone else will need to look at it |
| [05:40:17] | iamlindoro: | night |
| [05:40:32] | JDStone: | alrighty, thanks for your help |
| [05:40:33] | JDStone: | :) |
| [05:40:35] | JDStone: | goodnight |
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| [05:41:13] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: picture qualty is great though |
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| [07:01:01] | robbins61: | Anyone have or use a via epia board and an HDTV? |
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| [07:14:28] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: 8W for both the qam modulator and upconverter |
| [07:15:03] | CCFL_Man2: | somehow just doesn't seem right |
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| [07:26:13] | CCFL_Man2: | it is though |
| [07:26:34] | CCFL_Man2: | 8W for one, though |
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| [08:15:01] | emja: | Whenever I play a video with the internal player it skips the first few seconds. Is this a known issue? How can I resolve or adjust this? |
| [08:18:32] | hnitsuj: | it's a known issue. might already be fixed but your packages haven't caught it yet |
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| [08:20:11] | tjcarter: | dammit, I need a new remote and have no card for a week. |
| [08:24:17] | emja: | hnitsuj: many thanks |
| [08:24:43] | emja: | hnitsuj: my packages *won't* catch it. FC5 system. ;-) |
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| [08:29:50] | th1: | hi, this is not really a myth question, but related.. I'm using Linux kernel 2.6.24 and the ***** lirc modules don't work with this kernel, how cna I get my remote (on PVR-350 card) to work? |
| [08:30:01] | th1: | or .. can I at all ;) |
| [08:30:51] | hnitsuj: | just build lirc yerself |
| [08:31:07] | th1: | hnitsuj, that's what I'm doing .. |
| [08:31:20] | th1: | but the lirc on the Lirc website is ancient and only supports old kernels |
| [08:31:28] | hnitsuj: | bollocks! |
| [08:31:33] | th1: | they haven't updated it for over a year.. |
| [08:32:00] | hnitsuj: | so grab a snapshot out of their cvs then |
| [08:32:11] | th1: | I am trying that.. |
| [08:32:47] | hnitsuj: | saying that, they were only updated in October last year |
| [08:32:50] | hnitsuj: | yeesh |
| [08:32:55] | th1: | the lirc on cvs is really messy though, if you only want to compile the modules.. |
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| [08:33:10] | th1: | at least ubuntu have split the module source into a separate package |
| [08:33:23] | hnitsuj: | might've known you were using ubuntu |
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| [08:34:18] | hnitsuj: | anyway lirc stuff is only ever modules |
| [08:34:23] | Dagmar: | Hmm... 10 whole days I've been using the release 0.21 |
| [08:34:40] | Dagmar: | Time for 0.21-fixes |
| [08:34:44] | ** hnitsuj is still reluctant to upgrade ** | |
| [08:34:54] | hnitsuj: | will give it a couple of months |
| [08:35:05] | th1: | hnitsuj, yeah but I needed newer kernel for other hardware ... |
| [08:35:15] | jgb: | my mythtv v0.21 can't seem to connect to the internet – IMDB lookups fail, and when trying to rip a CD it simply hangs when trying to get the CD info. i did "export http_proxy="proxy.sun.ac.za:3128" |
| [08:35:33] | hnitsuj: | th1: but if you're expecting to be able to use modules compiled against a different kernel... MUHHHHHHHHHHHH! |
| [08:35:55] | hnitsuj: | use a different kernel, lose the use of... :) |
| [08:35:57] | th1: | i'm trying to BUILD the bloody lirc modules...?! |
| [08:36:05] | th1: | but the lirc package really sucks tbh |
| [08:36:15] | hnitsuj: | so forget about doing it the ubunuts way |
| [08:36:30] | th1: | what's "ubuntu-way" about what I'm doing? |
| [08:36:36] | hnitsuj: | I've never got it to work first time, always ended up doing it myself |
| [08:36:49] | th1: | I just dl the source from cvs but even then it doesn't build against my kernel |
| [08:37:03] | hnitsuj: | th1: do you have the kernel sources & headers installed? |
| [08:37:17] | th1: | yes I built the kernel yesterday |
| [08:37:25] | hnitsuj: | and does the lirc configurer know where to find them? |
| [08:37:50] | hnitsuj: | FYI 'fails to build' isn't much information to go on either |
| [08:39:18] | hnitsuj: | just had a stupid thought.. "why doesn't lirc have its OWN IRC channel?" :P |
| [08:39:34] | hnitsuj: | prolly don't enjoy reaping what they sow ;) |
| [08:39:47] | jgb: | :( |
| [08:39:51] | emja: | just found this post re myth pkgs for fc5l http://lists.atrpms.net/pipermail/atrpms-user . . . /007836.html does this mean I should be able to swipe a Fedora7 rpm of myth v20.1? |
| [08:40:06] | emja: | s/fc5l/fc5;/ |
| [08:40:18] | hnitsuj: | 20.1 ? 0.20.1 even? what's wrong with using the latest – 0.21-fixes ? |
| [08:40:28] | emja: | oh, yeah. heh |
| [08:40:40] | th1: | hnitsuj, the only problem is that the lirc package is not updated for new kernels. |
| [08:40:55] | emja: | hnitsuj: sure. either way, the qn is can I grab a F7 pkg of myth from atrpms and plonk it on fc5? |
| [08:40:59] | th1: | and the second problem is it's crap design package |
| [08:41:00] | hnitsuj: | so screw their packages then ;) |
| [08:41:11] | th1: | hnitsuj, ??? |
| [08:41:19] | hnitsuj: | like I said I've never managed to succeed the ubuntu way, with their packages |
| [08:41:20] | th1: | I need the module to use my remote |
| [08:41:29] | hnitsuj: | th1: DIY :) |
| [08:41:32] | th1: | hnitsuj, and im telling you that I'm trying to build it from source from CVS ?!?!? |
| [08:41:48] | hnitsuj: | th1: and I'm telling you that "muh, won't build" isn't enough information to go on |
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| [08:43:14] | emja: | maybe I should just upgrade the underlying distro |
| [08:43:15] | emja: | bleh |
| [08:43:48] | hnitsuj: | heh. my backend's still running Dapper |
| [08:44:08] | hnitsuj: | don't need no steenking packages |
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| [08:46:40] | hnitsuj: | th1: so, when you try to build the lirc you got out of their cvs, what happens? |
| [08:47:06] | hnitsuj: | want to help, but it's impossible without information |
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| [09:28:23] | Dagmar: | Well, you could always spend 20 minutes making an eloquent speech about how the build problem is perfectly understandable and we should think nothing of it. |
| [09:29:30] | Dagmar: | What... the... f**k... |
| [09:29:32] | Dagmar: | "/usr/include/freetype2/../libavcodec/avcodec.h:250:5: error: missing binary operator before token "("" |
| [09:29:40] | Dagmar: | WTF is with that path? |
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| [09:32:05] | Dagmar: | Shit |
| [09:32:19] | Dagmar: | Why is #include "../libavcodec/avcodec.h" correct code? |
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| [09:33:47] | Dagmar: | joy |
| [09:34:38] | hashbang: | good morning, all |
| [09:35:20] | Dagmar: | f**k |
| [09:35:37] | Dagmar: | not directed at you, hashbang |
| [09:35:49] | hashbang: | Dagmar: heh – no worries! :-) |
| [09:35:57] | Dagmar: | ...but this is sure as hell why it's bad to put ".." in a bloody include directive for the compiler |
| [09:37:51] | Dagmar: | It's just so wrong |
| [09:38:05] | Dagmar: | Hopefully if I just temporarily *remove* ffmpeg this will un-break |
| [09:38:36] | hnitsuj: | wait a sec. I'll stop laughing in a minute. we built 20 prototypes using CPUs that were supplied as samples. they worked great. apparently though the production version of the CPU doesn't have an instruction anymore so the software needs to be recompiled. Whoops. CPU production model comes missing an instruction the sample had?! WTF? |
| [09:39:15] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: Why, that sounds like "bait and switch" to me |
| [09:39:15] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: Did you see that compile error fragment I just pasted? |
| [09:39:34] | Dagmar: | How long have the ffmpeg headers been getting included via a freakin' backreference? |
| [09:41:02] | hnitsuj: | ]yeah I saw it. from ffmpeg?! expected better from them |
| [09:41:13] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: This isn't ffmpeg's problem. |
| [09:41:17] | Dagmar: | They didn't cause it. |
| [09:41:25] | Dagmar: | ffmpeg's stuff is actually fine. |
| [09:41:54] | Dagmar: | It's all the "#include "../libavcodec/avcodec.h" sprinkled all through the MythTV sources that is what's breaking |
| [09:42:03] | hnitsuj: | heh |
| [09:42:07] | hnitsuj: | no comment! |
| [09:42:16] | Dagmar: | That .. should be outside in a -I being passed to gcc, IF it belongs at all |
| [09:42:35] | Dagmar: | ..BECAUSE putting backreferences in the include statement causes silly shit like that /usr/include/freetype2/../libavcodec... issue |
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| [09:42:50] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: x86 (i.e. CMOV, I guess), or something embedded like ARM? |
| [09:42:55] | Dagmar: | I'm going to try to keep the bug report on it short and to the point |
| [09:43:31] | hnitsuj: | hashbang: good guess re cmov – cmovd on SH4 |
| [09:43:51] | Dagmar: | I just pulled a new ffmpeg source about four days ago, but having it installed should *not* be able to interfere with a private version, IF the private version is in there correctly |
| [09:44:36] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: heh |
| [09:45:08] | Dagmar: | I don't think hnitsuj would be going along with the idea of buying VIA CPUs |
| [09:45:09] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: I'd certainly be looking into seeing if there are any terms in the contract that I could claim compensation |
| [09:45:23] | hnitsuj: | so would I if it was MY problem :P |
| [09:45:28] | hashbang: | aha! |
| [09:45:33] | Dagmar: | Surely if the samples differ from the production units that's a material breach of *some* kind |
| [09:45:50] | hashbang: | Dagmar: unless they've got better lawyers than you. :-] |
| [09:45:53] | Dagmar: | If nothing else, someone should be getting their ass chewed for effectively sabotaging development |
| [09:46:24] | hnitsuj: | cpu manufacturers do it all the time – well Renesas (formerly Hitachi) et all do |
| [09:46:47] | Dagmar: | What? Drop CPU instructions in mid-run? |
| [09:46:51] | hnitsuj: | they up-rev the silicon & sometimes forget to mention they've changed things a lot, like removing instructions |
| [09:46:55] | hnitsuj: | happened more than once |
| [09:46:56] | Dagmar: | I've never seen that being done |
| [09:47:28] | hnitsuj: | see that register? yeah that one, isn't there in the next rev. cool eh? |
| [09:47:37] | Dagmar: | Responsible vendors at least declare something to be a new model when they make material changes |
| [09:47:55] | hnitsuj: | yeah they should. depends who their customers are I think ;) |
| [09:48:48] | hashbang: | "ooh, sorry, did we forget to tell you? And you say you're making a product that competes with something another business unit of ours is doing? Well, isn't that a shame..." |
| [09:49:11] | Dagmar: | Oh hell man if that's the case then _criminal_ charges could apply |
| [09:49:19] | hnitsuj: | prove it! |
| [09:49:21] | Dagmar: | I mean, that really *does* sound like sabotage now |
| [09:49:25] | AndyCap: | so wtf do compiler vendors do? Microsoft targets the sh4 with CE? |
| [09:50:10] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: It's as simple as demonstraing to a judge that the sample units provided differ materially from the production units |
| [09:50:28] | hnitsuj: | anyway, like I said. NOT MY PROBLEM :) |
| [09:50:44] | hnitsuj: | I just think it's funny |
| [09:51:18] | Dagmar: | Son of a bitch |
| [09:51:20] | Dagmar: | !@#$@!#$ |
| [09:51:26] | AndyCap: | sounds more like the article I read in the eighties about cheap 8086 clones behind the iron curtain |
| [09:51:26] | Dagmar: | -march=pentiumpro my ass |
| [09:51:45] | hnitsuj: | heheh maybe they're counterfeit |
| [09:51:49] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: Can I get drunk and get commit access to SVN? |
| [09:52:02] | hnitsuj: | wouldn't put it past out purchasing dept tbh |
| [09:52:08] | hashbang: | Dagmar: friends don't let friends drink and commit. :-) |
| [09:52:19] | AndyCap: | delivered with lists of instructions that don't work, and made in "metric inches", so the raster size is 2.5mm's not 2.54 |
| [09:52:26] | hnitsuj: | Dagmar: no, you need a crack pipe – but that's only for theme commits |
| [09:52:44] | Dagmar: | hashbang: If I'm lucky this will just be that I need to redo the fix I put together to get around the stupid in the configuration for 0.21, but... |
| [09:52:55] | Dagmar: | ...it's likely to be a whole fresh round of stupifd. |
| [09:53:33] | Dagmar: | If you look closely at the bits in 0.21 that handle -march -mtune -mcpu you'll see that at least one of the things stated in there is just dead wrong. |
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| [09:57:12] | mjj29: | so, I have a directory tree of severel hundred films et al |
| [09:57:38] | mjj29: | and I have elsewhere a mapping of path => imdb details, including cover art |
| [09:57:57] | mjj29: | how can I tell mythtv about them, so it can display them nicely? |
| [09:57:59] | hnitsuj: | sounds like some script-fu is needed |
| [09:58:14] | hnitsuj: | .. to insert said data into the database |
| [09:58:22] | mjj29: | I can do script and db foo |
| [09:58:30] | mjj29: | just need to know _what_ foo |
| [09:59:22] | hnitsuj: | videometadata table :) |
| [10:00:59] | AndyCap: | isn't there a script in the contrib/ dir? |
| [10:01:31] | hnitsuj: | don't think so |
| [10:02:09] | ** AndyCap worries that he's getting early-onset alzheimers. ** | |
| [10:02:41] | Dagmar: | Freaking --cpu and --tune should still work, but apparently they dont'. |
| [10:02:50] | Dagmar: | Let's see if --arch works right now at least. |
| [10:02:59] | Dagmar: | Hey it does, thank god. |
| [10:03:07] | Dagmar: | I'll take it |
| [10:04:41] | hnitsuj: | there's this thing I found, maybe another one somewhere too: http://www.thepisanis.com/node/11 |
| [10:04:58] | hnitsuj: | but again WHY is it stuck there on a fucking blog page?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!¬?!?!?¬!?¬!!@?!?!"?&A circ;£W?Qfgvjio |
| [10:05:27] | Dagmar: | Probably because it's all kindsa against IMDB's terms of use? |
| [10:06:09] | mjj29: | yeah, I wrote http://www.matthew.ath.cx/projects/imdb-tools/ |
| [10:06:14] | mjj29: | which has all the data in it |
| [10:06:17] | hnitsuj: | isn't that their fault if they allow the user agent these scripts use ? |
| [10:06:37] | mjj29: | hnitsuj: I can set the UA to firefox if they like... |
| [10:06:44] | AndyCap: | ... |
| [10:06:53] | Dagmar: | UA is not exactly a "bastion of truth" you know |
| [10:07:03] | AndyCap: | Google says so. :P |
| [10:07:35] | Dagmar: | Most browsers can be expected to be honest about it because not very many browsers allow you to *specify* a different user agent string, but *non* browsers *all* let you specify your own user-agent. |
| [10:07:40] | hnitsuj: | and the internet's always right! |
| [10:07:56] | Dagmar: | So, a UA check as an access control method is not just useless, but fucking useless. |
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| [10:08:08] | Dagmar: | It's good for statistics, as that's what it was meant for. |
| [10:08:13] | AndyCap: | there's amazon's web service (don't they own imdb btw) but then you need a developer key and stuff. :/ |
| [10:08:27] | hnitsuj: | AndyCap: stuff... meaning $$$$ |
| [10:09:01] | ** AndyCap sees the future, He sees a moviesdirect.com ** | |
| [10:09:11] | quicksilver: | I'm all in favour of UA-based access control if that enables a content provider to satisfy daft DRM requirements without inconveniencing me in practice :P |
| [10:09:21] | mjj29: | is inetref the imdbid? |
| [10:09:31] | hnitsuj: | I see dead people |
| [10:09:44] | Dagmar: | quicksilver: Dude, it would be even less effective than CSS is for protecting DVDs from being copied. |
| [10:09:53] | quicksilver: | Dagmar: which would suit me fine. |
| [10:09:58] | quicksilver: | that's exactly my point. |
| [10:10:13] | quicksilver: | If content-provider is bound by contract by content-owner to provide some DRM limitations. |
| [10:10:20] | quicksilver: | and they managed to convince them that UA blocking is enough. |
| [10:10:24] | Dagmar: | I like to think that the open source crowd can avoid public displays of mental retardation that normal people have simply grown to expect from lawyers and large corporations. |
| [10:10:26] | quicksilver: | then everyone wins :) |
| [10:10:35] | hnitsuj: | ah so that iplayer widget's your baby eh |
| [10:10:49] | hnitsuj: | don't need iplayer. got miffyteevee! |
| [10:11:26] | hnitsuj: | and when it's on the BBC, don't worry if you missed a showing cos you heard about it the day after it aired... it's repeated! |
| [10:11:36] | Dagmar: | ...and if a lick and a prayer were enough, all we'd have to deal with is a checkbox appearing saying "You're not pirating this are you?" |
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| [10:11:51] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: Did they air Torchwood this week? |
| [10:12:51] | hnitsuj: | 15 times, probably |
| [10:13:29] | Dagmar: | Weird |
| [10:14:05] | hnitsuj: | BBC Three == rolling repeats channel |
| [10:14:06] | hashbang: | Dagmar: it clashed for me, so I'm recording two eps from both BBC2 and BBC3 tomorrow night. |
| [10:14:28] | hnitsuj: | hashbang: don't bother with the early showing. it's even worse than the late one |
| [10:14:57] | hnitsuj: | how can there be conflicts with multirec anyway? (unless you only have one tuner) |
| [10:15:23] | hnitsuj: | or have you yet to upgrade to 0.21? (like me) |
| [10:17:28] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: Building it will be fun |
| [10:17:40] | ** Dagmar grumbles ** | |
| [10:20:47] | Dagmar: | Wow |
| [10:21:12] | Dagmar: | I'm shopping for a new headset and I think perhaps I have found the most horrifically desgned model ever: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826106943 |
| [10:23:14] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: I'm not quite sure why it didn't record actually |
| [10:23:35] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: I think it's just the 'find one weekly' thing glitching, and me not being arsed to tweak the rule properly |
| [10:23:51] | ** hashbang is using 0.21, courtesy of ATrpms. ** | |
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| [10:24:05] | jduggan: | hashbang, nah, that's mythtaste doing its job |
| [10:24:16] | Dagmar: | I've already hit enough bugs people are telling me are fixed that its time for me to go to 0.21-fixes again |
| [10:24:42] | fargiolas: | hey i'm trying to burn mythtv recording with mytharchive but I cannot find a way to add files to a dvd |
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| [10:25:21] | Dagmar: | "add files"? What, specifically do you mean? |
| [10:25:27] | fargiolas: | I end up into the "Select Archive Items" but no item is showing |
| [10:26:44] | fargiolas: | Archive Files -> Export Video Files -> Create DVD -> (Select Destination) Next -> Select Archive Items |
| [10:27:02] | fargiolas: | Dagmar: ..but there is nothing to select |
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| [10:29:35] | Dagmar: | Oh well. Good luck. I never use that module. |
| [10:29:48] | fargiolas: | ok thanks |
| [10:29:55] | fargiolas: | anybody else? |
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| [10:31:13] | fargiolas: | I need to create a dvd from a myth recording.. any way other than mytharchive? |
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| [10:33:38] | fargiolas: | i've found the solution! mytharchives menus were not showing properly with glasswide theme |
| [10:33:49] | hnitsuj: | yeah don't use that heap of shite |
| [10:33:53] | fargiolas: | with gant everything is shown |
| [10:34:00] | hnitsuj: | it was never made for 0.21 anyway |
| [10:34:22] | fargiolas: | ok i'll remove it :) |
| [10:34:28] | Dibblah: | Oh, deep and meaningful joy. Someone wants a twiddlable bit for fsync :( |
| [10:34:49] | Dibblah: | Rather than actually working out _when it's needed_ and then enabling it only then. |
| [10:35:12] | Dagmar: | fargolas: Basically, always remove any themes that you don't know if were updated when a new version of Myth comes out |
| [10:35:20] | ** Dibblah considers starting a "removing random settings from SVN" campaign. ** | |
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| [10:35:42] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: How about just randomizing the location of existing settings? |
| [10:36:11] | Dibblah: | My issue is that Myth is getting _harder_ to setup right, in certain places. |
| [10:36:54] | Dibblah: | Forex, the new output selection stuff is great, but the end-user experience is pretty much "Huh?!?!?!" |
| [10:37:39] | Dibblah: | Yes – I know – Fix it, then. |
| [10:40:42] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: Do you have ffmpeg installed? |
| [10:41:21] | Dibblah: | yes...? |
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| [10:41:36] | Dagmar: | Okay, I'll just lay this out there then. It's a bit complex. |
| [10:42:13] | Dagmar: | There's an _ugly_ build problem just waiting for anyone whose version of ffmpeg differs significantly from the private portions of ffmpeg that MythTV ships out (or so it would appear) |
| [10:42:33] | Dagmar: | I've got a perfectly normal install of ffmpeg on here, pulled form their SVN as of about three days ago |
| [10:43:11] | Dagmar: | All throughout the mythtv source, there are these lovely include statements like '#include "../libavcodec/avcodec.h"' |
| [10:43:48] | mjj29: | well, that all worked well |
| [10:43:53] | Dagmar: | At build time, this *fails*. It will wind up clashing when attempting to include the private ffmpeg headers, but managing to get the *system installed* ones in /usr/include/libavcodec instead |
| [10:44:17] | mjj29: | private headers = much lose |
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| [10:44:34] | Dagmar: | My eyes definitely bugged out when I saw the build failure with the path "/usr/include/freetype2/../libavcodec/avcodec.h" being involved |
| [10:44:51] | Dagmar: | mjj29: Well, if it weren't for the damn ".." being in the #include this would actually be fine |
| [10:45:03] | mjj29: | Dagmar: no, private headers generally lose |
| [10:45:13] | Dagmar: | No, they don't. |
| [10:45:24] | mjj29: | should use the system ones |
| [10:45:34] | Dagmar: | It's fairly normal (particularly for this bit of code) to have private copies of something in it |
| [10:45:51] | Dagmar: | No, not "should", "could". |
| [10:45:56] | Dibblah: | That's odd. |
| [10:45:59] | Dibblah: | < != " |
| [10:46:17] | Dagmar: | Well, either way the .. being in there is going to wreak havoc |
| [10:46:21] | mjj29: | Dagmar: shipping private copies of anything is bad |
| [10:46:31] | Dibblah: | mjj29: Not really. |
| [10:46:35] | mjj29: | you don't get the updates to the real one |
| [10:46:35] | Dagmar: | If it were using <> I would assume that it was trying to use the system-supplied version, but it's not |
| [10:46:41] | Dibblah: | mplayer and Xine both do it. |
| [10:46:46] | mjj29: | when it's real code, it's worse |
| [10:46:53] | mjj29: | security updates don't get applied |
| [10:46:58] | Dagmar: | mjj29: *sigh* Open your ears and listen for a moment |
| [10:47:18] | Dagmar: | When people are including a private copy of something, it's generally because that something has a rapidly changing API |
| [10:47:22] | Dagmar: | Like ffmpeg. |
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| [10:47:46] | Dagmar: | Security updates or not, nothing much gets accomplished if the interface breaks five times a week |
| [10:47:59] | mjj29: | I'm not saying it's not pragmatically the right thing to do |
| [10:48:01] | Dagmar: | "Security updates" can be backported. |
| [10:48:04] | mjj29: | I'm just being dogmatic |
| [10:48:09] | Dagmar: | Obviously. |
| [10:48:16] | mjj29: | and speaking as an NX debian packager |
| [10:48:17] | Dagmar: | Please take your dogma outside for walkies |
| [10:48:25] | Dagmar: | Hey, good for you. I'm speaking as a Dropline packages. |
| [10:48:30] | Dagmar: | s/packages/packager/; |
| [10:48:36] | mjj29: | NX ships an entire copy of X.org, samba and esd |
| [10:48:40] | mjj29: | some random old fork |
| [10:48:48] | mjj29: | this can't be uploaded |
| [10:48:51] | Dagmar: | Dropline used to ship an entire copy of X. |
| [10:48:59] | Dagmar: | Now we just settle for all of @#$@# GNOME |
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| [10:49:18] | joobie: | anyone seen some odd results when u cat /dev/hiddev0 and get numerous ???'s ? |
| [10:49:20] | Dagmar: | I'm very familiar with compiling stuff in general. Don't try to play a trump card. |
| [10:49:27] | joobie: | when i press a button on my apple remote and i cat that dev.. i get like 6 ?'s coming up |
| [10:49:41] | Dagmar: | joobie: Those are your six buttons. |
| [10:49:42] | Dagmar: | *snicker* |
| [10:50:12] | joobie: | smartass:) |
| [10:50:12] | joobie: | eheh |
| [10:50:21] | joobie: | naa seriously when i press 1 button, it shows like all these ??'s |
| [10:50:32] | joobie: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=399482 |
| [10:50:39] | joobie: | something like that says it's giving a different output? |
| [10:50:57] | Dagmar: | Are you expecting something human-readable? |
| [10:51:29] | joobie: | ya |
| [10:51:51] | Dagmar: | You've been misled |
| [10:52:21] | joobie: | when i press right, i get ??????? |
| [10:52:28] | joobie: | when i press the middle button, i get the exact same |
| [10:52:30] | Dagmar: | Sure. |
| [10:52:46] | Dibblah: | Dagmar: Which GCC version? |
| [10:52:48] | Dagmar: | Don't you realize why you have lircd?" |
| [10:52:56] | joobie: | no |
| [10:53:03] | joobie: | i have never looked at lircd |
| [10:53:04] | _DustyBin: | keene electronics will happily build me a nvidia vga > scart lead for £34!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS A GOOD DAY!!!!! |
| [10:53:06] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: I think it's 4.1.2, could be 4.3. Gimme a sec to look. |
| [10:53:22] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: Either way, as the source stands currently in 0.21-fixes, this will NOT compile correctly |
| [10:53:36] | Dagmar: | If I had seen it before the build failed, I wouldn't have even tried |
| [10:53:48] | Dibblah: | Well, it will, but not in certain situations. |
| [10:54:07] | Dagmar: | Okay, 4.1.2 |
| [10:54:26] | Dagmar: | "Certain situations" being a system-supplied version of ffmpeg is present in /usr |
| [10:54:30] | Dibblah: | This makes no sense. |
| [10:54:40] | Dagmar: | Well, it's just broken |
| [10:55:14] | Dibblah: | http://www.pastebin.ca/950132 |
| [10:56:16] | Dibblah: | And I see qmake is being as useful as always. |
| [10:56:20] | joobie: | fark |
| [10:56:24] | joobie: | lircd aint on my repos |
| [10:56:30] | joobie: | is tehre a centos repo for lircd? |
| [10:56:51] | Dibblah: | *usually*, it makes relative paths explicit. |
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| [10:56:54] | Dagmar: | http://www.pastebin.ca/950134 |
| [10:57:08] | Dagmar: | The .. needs to be *outside* the source. |
| [10:57:19] | Dibblah: | Oh, right. |
| [10:57:25] | Dibblah: | It's also not necessary. |
| [10:57:34] | Dibblah: | That's done in the .pro / Makefile. |
| [10:58:01] | Dibblah: | LIBS += -L../libavutil -lmythavutil-$$LIBVERSION $$EXTRALIBS |
| [10:58:30] | Dibblah: | Submit a patch... |
| [10:58:39] | Dagmar: | Yes, if there weren't so many crazy paths here this *almost* might work |
| [10:58:47] | Dagmar: | But I mean, there's -I../../libs/libavutil -I../../libs/libavformat -I../../libs/libavcodec |
| [10:58:55] | Dagmar: | That's actually making it to GCC |
| [10:59:11] | Dibblah: | Yup. Pull the reference from the .c |
| [10:59:21] | Dibblah: | Make it implicit. |
| [10:59:34] | Dibblah: | Then if necessary, change the .pro |
| [10:59:36] | Dagmar: | That's literally throughout _all_ the source hehe |
| [10:59:46] | Dagmar: | This will take some chopping and slashing. |
| [10:59:53] | Dibblah: | It's probably just pulled in through the ffmpeg source. |
| [11:00:01] | Dagmar: | Could be |
| [11:00:09] | Dagmar: | I've been chasing this uphill for like an hour now |
| [11:00:10] | Dibblah: | janneg: Comments? |
| [11:00:48] | janneg: | Dibblah: to http://www.pastebin.ca/950134? |
| [11:00:52] | Dibblah: | janneg: (Various bits in ffmpeg have #include "../libavcodec/..) |
| [11:01:15] | Dibblah: | Surely that should just be in the .pro? |
| [11:02:45] | janneg: | the last points are continuations and not literal ..? |
| [11:02:58] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
| [11:03:01] | Dibblah: | Sorry. |
| [11:03:20] | Dibblah: | Was just trying to summarise the discussion above. |
| [11:04:03] | janneg: | and there is the problem? -I. should be in the commandline |
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| [11:05:44] | Dibblah: | The problem is some of the -I's are in /usr/include/(bob) |
| [11:05:53] | Dagmar: | janneg: The problem is that if someone has ffmpeg actually installed in /usr it breaks like cheap dishes |
| [11:06:41] | Dibblah: | So, the "" means search the explicit include directories... |
| [11:07:10] | Dibblah: | Which means that /usr/include/(bob)/../ffmpeg (for example) is searched. |
| [11:07:49] | Dibblah: | janneg: Is there a reason not to just remove the relative paths from the include and add them to the .pro if required? |
| [11:08:28] | Dibblah: | ... Apart from making ffmpeg syncs even harder for you, of course :( |
| [11:09:49] | Dagmar: | I see his point about -I. being in there, but it's apparently not always the first thing listed |
| [11:10:48] | Dagmar: | I'm waiting for the build to fail again so I can see where that little bit is running off |
| [11:11:06] | janneg: | Dibblah: #include "" first searchs in the current directory and it should find the includes |
| [11:11:31] | Dagmar: | janneg: Try to build 0.21-fixes with a different version of ffmpeg installed |
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| [11:13:50] | Dagmar: | Might be something's just boned in libmythtv's dir |
| [11:14:04] | Dagmar: | I'm waiting for the build to hit that point again to it can all go berzerk |
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| [11:19:22] | janneg: | Dagmar: I'm going out. please msg me a pastebin with the actual error |
| [11:19:35] | janneg: | I'll look at it later |
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| [11:21:58] | Dagmar: | http://www.pastebin.ca/950149 |
| [11:22:16] | Dagmar: | I can go one better |
| [11:23:09] | Dagmar: | http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/make.txt <-- the entire log |
| [11:23:19] | janneg: | it's breaking in libmythtv |
| [11:23:27] | Dagmar: | Yep. |
| [11:23:59] | Dagmar: | Note the ludicrous path that is showing up there... /usr/include/freetype2/../libavformat/avformat.h |
| [11:24:53] | Dagmar: | ...and TBH, I've no idea what exactly is calling up -I/usr/include/freetype2 that early in the line |
| [11:25:01] | janneg: | yes, -I/usr/include/freetype2 seems to be in CFLAGS and therefor before -I. |
| [11:25:26] | _DustyBin: | what could be causing this: |
| [11:25:28] | _DustyBin: | Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2008-03–20 06:48 and ended on 2008-03–20 06:48. FAILED: xmltv returned error code 512. |
| [11:25:32] | janneg: | that's an error in the build system. I'll fix it later |
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| [11:25:42] | janneg: | bbl |
| [11:26:24] | Dagmar: | janneg: Okay, cool. So long as someone's aware of where it's breaking |
| [11:26:28] | DustyBin: | "If you are getting this error from mythtv, but mythfilldatabase works fine, then set the HOME variable to the correct value in the mythtv start/stop script. e.g. export HOME=/root. (assuming that mythtv is start as root)" |
| [11:26:34] | Dagmar: | Like I said, I've been hunting this one for an hour+ hehe |
| [11:27:57] | DustyBin: | should i put all my xmltv settings in /root ? |
| [11:28:33] | Dagmar: | DustyBin: Considerring that it's looking for $HOME based on the userid mythtv is running as? Probably so |
| [11:29:10] | DustyBin: | server:/home/dustybin# echo $HOME |
| [11:29:10] | DustyBin: | /root |
| [11:29:25] | Dagmar: | so? |
| [11:29:55] | DustyBin: | Dagmar: i can just copy the .mythtv/Radio_Times.xmltv file over to root? |
| [11:30:08] | Dagmar: | Is there some reason you can't? |
| [11:30:09] | DustyBin: | thats the only file its looking for (i think) |
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| [11:43:05] | DustyBin: | Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2008-03–20 11:31 and ended on 2008-03–20 11:35. Successful. |
| [11:43:08] | DustyBin: | There's guide data until 2008-04–03 01:50 (14 days). |
| [11:43:34] | DustyBin: | 2.5 years later, i now have a stable rock solid mythtv :D |
| [11:43:58] | toad_: | are mythbackend crashes completely out of the question on stable hardware, or are they just unusual? a segfault in the backend *always* indicates hardware problems?? |
| [11:44:24] | DustyBin: | toad_: i think most of the time it indicates hardware problems yes |
| [11:44:28] | toad_: | i'm getting a lot less of them since i upgraded my RAM... |
| [11:44:34] | DustyBin: | toad_: run memtest86 |
| [11:44:36] | toad_: | but still one or two |
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| [11:45:10] | toad_: | well the last lot of RAM had issues, although they were intermittent and didn't show up on memtest86 at least not in a reasonable time |
| [11:45:22] | toad_: | they did show up on a user-mode memory tester though |
| [11:45:42] | DustyBin: | toad_: sell the sticks and buy 1 stick with your requirement |
| [11:46:04] | DustyBin: | what has been recommended by your mobo manufactuer |
| [11:46:05] | toad_: | since I put some slower, larger, ECC RAM in, I've had much fewer crashes |
| [11:46:17] | toad_: | but I had one recently |
| [11:46:30] | DustyBin: | toad_: what hardware you using? |
| [11:46:36] | DustyBin: | tv card? |
| [11:46:42] | toad_: | asus mobo, crucial memory |
| [11:46:48] | DustyBin: | same as me i think |
| [11:46:50] | toad_: | a couple of cards yeah |
| [11:46:56] | DustyBin: | what cards? what drivers? |
| [11:46:57] | toad_: | cx88 iirc? |
| [11:46:59] | ** toad_ checks ** | |
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| [11:47:24] | toad_: | 01:07.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05) |
| [11:47:33] | DustyBin: | Hauppauge? |
| [11:50:46] | toad_: | Hauppauge Win TV Nova-T PCI * 2 |
| [11:50:47] | toad_: | yeah |
| [11:51:14] | toad_: | why? |
| [11:51:16] | DustyBin: | those cards should be pretty stable |
| [11:51:30] | toad_: | well compared to what it was the system is very stable |
| [11:51:31] | DustyBin: | those are single tuners? |
| [11:51:36] | anenigma_: | interesting. my wintv nova-t runs an SAA7146, Philips |
| [11:51:38] | toad_: | but i still got a segfault in myth |
| [11:51:49] | toad_: | yeah single tuner |
| [11:52:02] | toad_: | segfault in mythfilldatabase happens sometimes too |
| [11:52:17] | Dagmar: | FWIW I haven't managed to get the frontend to hard crash the machine in awhile. |
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| [11:52:18] | ** toad_ has bought a new CPU, hasn't put it in yet ** | |
| [11:52:18] | DustyBin: | toad_: what happens if you remove 1 of those cards? |
| [11:52:29] | Dagmar: | I've not had a problem with the backend in about six months |
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| [11:52:40] | toad_: | DustyBin: well i had problems with two USB sticks too |
| [11:52:56] | DustyBin: | toad_: are you running .21 fixes? |
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| [11:52:58] | toad_: | i could try taking one out though |
| [11:53:04] | toad_: | .21 fixes? |
| [11:53:11] | DustyBin: | the latest release of mythtv? |
| [11:53:22] | th_: | I have a machine with a usb keyboard and an IR remote receiver (hauppauge) which also generates keyboard events, (/dev/event5) – how can I change the keycode mappings for the IR receiver only so it works better with MythTV? |
| [11:53:47] | toad_: | debian package, 0.20.2.svn20080126–0.1 |
| [11:54:09] | toad_: | from the fixes branch presumably |
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| [11:54:21] | Dagmar: | Why would that conflict? |
| [11:54:28] | Dagmar: | The system should see it as just another keyboard |
| [11:54:28] | DustyBin: | toad_: remove debian package and compile yourself if you know how: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ |
| [11:54:49] | toad_: | DustyBin: is it worth it? |
| [11:54:53] | DustyBin: | yes |
| [11:54:57] | DustyBin: | totally |
| [11:55:04] | hashbang: | toad_: there are some segfault bugs in the frontend, but I've not seen mfd or the backend segfault |
| [11:55:06] | Dagmar: | Interesting... mythplugins r16716 appears to be broken. Hmm |
| [11:55:18] | th_: | Dagmar, but it's mapping the keys in a way that's not very clever for Myth and I want to change those mappings without changing the MythTV config (so I can still use the standard keys from the keyboard) |
| [11:55:28] | hashbang: | toad_: any hard crashes are either a driver issue (DVB drivers or VGA being favourite) or a hardware issue. |
| [11:55:35] | Dagmar: | main.cpp:27:34: error: mythtv/mythpluginapi.h: No such file or directory |
| [11:55:39] | toad_: | hashbang: what about mythfilldatabase? that segfaults more often than mythbackend |
| [11:55:44] | DustyBin: | toad_: when you remove the debian packages, make sure you apt-get remove --purge and also do a dpkg -l | grep mythtv make sure no evidence of mythtv is left on your system, also do a updatedb && locate mythtv |
| [11:55:49] | toad_: | hashbang: well it's not a hard crash, it's a segfault |
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| [11:55:51] | DustyBin: | once its clean, then do a fresh compile |
| [11:55:56] | hashbang: | toad_: not for me. |
| [11:56:03] | toad_: | DustyBin: ugh, so i lose all my recordings? |
| [11:56:07] | hashbang: | toad_: mfd=mythfilldatabase |
| [11:56:10] | th_: | Dagmar, essentially only the arrow keys and OK work on the remote, the rest are not sending the keys that Myth uses, e.g. "Back" should be sending Escape etc. |
| [11:56:17] | Dagmar: | th_: You're wanting a USB keyboard to behave *differently* from any other keyboard? |
| [11:56:27] | DustyBin: | toad_: you dont have to, i think you can keep some of your db, you need to research that |
| [11:56:43] | th_: | Dagmar, no I want the USB keyboard to stay the same but the IR Remote to send different keys from the various buttons |
| [11:56:51] | th_: | Dagmar, like a separate "keyboard map" for the remote |
| [11:57:42] | mjj29: | g |
| [11:57:47] | hashbang: | DustyBin: assuming that you've not got old versions of shared libraries kicking around, I'm not sure what a reinstall of mythtv buys you |
| [11:58:06] | hashbang: | DustyBin: given it seems to do a better-than-average job of migrating old database schemas to new ones |
| [11:59:00] | DustyBin: | hashbang: aye true i guess, so maybe a lenny update might make things even better?! but i thought the backend code is more stable no matter what libraries are used |
| [11:59:15] | toad_: | well this is lenny |
| [11:59:22] | toad_: | they have 0.21 in sid |
| [11:59:29] | toad_: | but this is 0.20 with fixes |
| [11:59:33] | hashbang: | toad_: you could just remove the packages, and keep your database and recordings |
| [11:59:34] | DustyBin: | debian lenny testing, im using debian etch stable |
| [11:59:39] | Dagmar: | th_: So change the lircrc bindings |
| [11:59:45] | hashbang: | toad_: assuming the debian packages are sane, that should be safe |
| [12:00:02] | toad_: | hmmm current is 0.21 |
| [12:00:05] | toad_: | hmmm curious |
| [12:00:17] | toad_: | | New release! It's been quite a while, so there's lots of new stuff. Notably: autodiscovery (less manual configuration of new frontends), storage groups (no need for LVM/etc), support for multiple recordings on one DVB/ATSC multiplex, a couple new plugins, some new deinterlacing/video display options, and many, many other things. |
| [12:00:20] | toad_: | woah |
| [12:00:26] | toad_: | just on features i gotta get that |
| [12:00:35] | hashbang: | 0.21 is a nice upgrade |
| [12:00:43] | toad_: | | support for multiple recordings on one DVB/ATSC multiplex |
| [12:00:46] | Dagmar: | Anyone got any idea where mythpluginapi.h has gone off to? |
| [12:00:48] | toad_: | does that mean what i think it means? |
| [12:00:57] | hashbang: | though the frontend seems a bit more segfaulty than 0.20.2-fixes |
| [12:01:20] | hashbang: | toad_: probably. You can record from more than one channel simultaneously, using a single tuner, providing they're both on the same mplex |
| [12:01:25] | toad_: | hashbang: nice |
| [12:01:35] | toad_: | hashbang: and do overlapped recordings on one channel too? |
| [12:01:40] | hashbang: | toad_: so 6 tuners, in the UK, and you can record everything, conceivably. |
| [12:01:46] | toad_: | e.g. 5 mins before and after on an episode |
| [12:01:50] | hashbang: | toad_: if they're on diff channels, yes |
| [12:02:01] | hashbang: | toad_: not sure if they're back to back on the same channel |
| [12:02:11] | toad_: | according to something i read on the wiki a while ago it ought to enable that if they're on the same channel... |
| [12:02:16] | hashbang: | toad_: though obv, if you put one on another tuner... |
| [12:02:21] | toad_: | but i dunno if that is accurate currently |
| [12:02:48] | th_: | Dagmar, but it's not using lirc. It generates keyboard events without lirc |
| [12:02:58] | DustyBin: | i still get issues sometimes, if im inside a menu on the front end, then escape back to the main menu, all the text disappears, the screen just goes blank showing you just the background. Maybe this is something to do with opengl im not sure |
| [12:03:14] | toad_: | okay, i'll wait for debian-multimedia to update to 0.21, it looks like they're testing it in sid atm |
| [12:03:34] | Dagmar: | th_: Well then it's probably up to you to rework how that IR remote works |
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| [12:04:34] | toad_: | but even with a january snapshot from 0.20.2-fixes, it really shouldn't segfault in the backend or mythfilldatabase? |
| [12:04:56] | hashbang: | toad_: not seen that with ATrpms on FC, so no. |
| [12:04:57] | Dagmar: | th_: If it's any consolation, I don't envy you on that task |
| [12:05:16] | toad_: | maybe i'll put the new CPU in, if that doesn't help i've eliminated another theory |
| [12:05:28] | hashbang: | toad_: AMD or Intel? |
| [12:05:33] | th_: | Dagmar, I know that's why I'm asking ;) I hoped someone would tell me "tell xorg.conf to use a different keymap for that device" or something but I have no clue really how/if |
| [12:05:48] | toad_: | although a crash every couple of weeks i can live with, i'm just worried it might affect overall system stability, and it's annoying when we lose recordings |
| [12:05:50] | toad_: | hashbang: amd |
| [12:05:59] | toad_: | hashbang: and no not phenom |
| [12:06:10] | th_: | Dagmar, I know I can patch the kernel driver to make it send different codes for the keys.. but I'd hope to avoid that |
| [12:06:20] | ** hashbang is wary of non-AMD/Intel mobo chipsets ** | |
| [12:06:36] | toad_: | nvidia... |
| [12:07:03] | toad_: | but the memory controller is integrated on amd, so if there is trouble it would presumably be with I/O |
| [12:07:09] | Dagmar: | th_: This would be part of the reason the rest of us are quite happy with librc |
| [12:07:13] | Dagmar: | s/librc/lirc/ |
| [12:07:28] | ** toad_ is happy with inputlirc ** | |
| [12:07:34] | Dagmar: | Annoying as it's config files might be, they're not kernel-space. :) |
| [12:07:38] | hashbang: | toad_: and what does myth do? ;-) |
| [12:07:55] | toad_: | hashbang: lots of I/O ? :) |
| [12:07:59] | th_: | Dagmar, I would also be happy with it if I could figure out how to make the IR send to lirc instead of to the keyboard |
| [12:08:17] | ** toad_ has done badblocks -n on all the disks, so there's no obvious corruption ** | |
| [12:08:25] | toad_: | but then if it only messes up under load ... |
| [12:10:20] | ** DustyBin applys 4x spreads of anusol to his backend ** | |
| [12:10:54] | Dagmar: | th_: Well, that should be as simple as blacklisting it's driver module and using a boring IR dongle to listen for it |
| [12:11:16] | Dagmar: | lirc can make sense of just about any kind of IR remote that's sending a stable signal |
| [12:11:50] | Dagmar: | ...it's just rather difficult to figure out what the hell a new remote is sending tho'. |
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| [12:15:14] | toad_: | oh, i'm still using a cron job to force myth to encode all the recordings its forgotten about... |
| [12:15:49] | toad_: | is that fixed in fixes / in 0.21? if not, i need to change it to not transcode audio-only recordings... |
| [12:19:21] | toad_: | how do i determine in SQL that a channel (or ideally a recording) is an audio-only channel / isn't an audio-only channel? |
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| [12:19:34] | Dagmar: | That's an easy one |
| [12:19:49] | Dagmar: | if channel exists then channel is audio+video |
| [12:20:14] | toad_: | sorry? |
| [12:20:20] | toad_: | what about audio only channels? |
| [12:21:48] | toad_: | e.g. BBC 7 |
| [12:22:36] | Dagmar: | I wasn't aware the thing could even deal with those yet |
| [12:22:44] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj might know something useful |
| [12:22:53] | toad_: | myth can |
| [12:23:07] | toad_: | but it causes problems if it tries to transcode mono streams |
| [12:23:20] | toad_: | so i need to tell it not to transcode audio-only channels |
| [12:24:11] | toad_: | looks like it may not be possible though |
| [12:24:29] | toad_: | fortunately the only mono channel i care about stopped broadcasting a while back so i suppose it's not a big deal |
| [12:25:40] | toad_: | ah well, thanks for your input |
| [12:25:49] | toad_: | and 0.21 sounds awesome |
| [12:26:00] | ** toad_ been waiting for this functionality for ~ 2 years :) ** | |
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| [12:30:49] | Dagmar: | Oh! |
| [12:30:58] | Dagmar: | Assign them to a recording group that doesn't transcode by default maybe |
| [12:31:05] | Dagmar: | No wait, that probably won't work |
| [12:41:57] | joobie: | anyone able to help wiht setup of lircd? |
| [12:42:07] | joobie: | got the service running and downloaded a remote file.. |
| [12:42:11] | Dagmar: | You haven't tried yet. |
| [12:42:13] | joobie: | pressing the buttons, nothign coming up |
| [12:42:36] | joobie: | me? |
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| [12:58:35] | DustyBin: | what other software apart from mythtv, zoneminder, heyu, would suit a home server? |
| [12:59:22] | DustyBin: | maybe phone software?.. |
| [12:59:39] | jduggan: | asterisk? |
| [12:59:40] | jduggan: | =] |
| [12:59:43] | DustyBin: | yep |
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| [13:02:35] | DustyBin: | mythtv = television, zoneminder = surveillance, heyu = x10 automation, the only thing left is phone! |
| [13:04:44] | DustyBin: | ideally id like to have a mobile / portable phone what can recieve / make calls on my wireless network using asterisk as the backend |
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| [13:05:40] | clever: | i think i saw a 802.11G phone once which could use the wifi for 'free' calls |
| [13:05:51] | clever: | so you can make totaly free calls from your house |
| [13:06:04] | DustyBin: | not all wifi is free? |
| [13:06:13] | clever: | relatively free:P |
| [13:06:18] | clever: | no airtime realy |
| [13:06:33] | DustyBin: | that phone must use a network of some kind?! |
| [13:06:44] | clever: | the phone had both 802.11g and normal cell radios |
| [13:06:50] | clever: | it was probly half voip phone |
| [13:06:55] | DustyBin: | nce |
| [13:07:07] | clever: | able to voip off wifi when in range |
| [13:07:11] | clever: | or use normal cell towers |
| [13:07:14] | DustyBin: | nice |
| [13:07:28] | clever: | yeah |
| [13:10:41] | DustyBin: | there have been security issues with asterisk, looks like the latest versions are ok |
| [13:11:52] | clever: | ive recently got my own trac&svn going here |
| [13:12:04] | clever: | helps with the random php and c++ editing im doing |
| [13:12:36] | DustyBin: | clever, indeed |
| [13:12:37] | clever: | only major problem is ive commited a few passwords to the thing |
| [13:12:47] | clever: | and that isnt easy to strip out:P |
| [13:13:12] | DustyBin: | no so, clever |
| [13:13:58] | clever: | i only need to kill a single revision of the 2 files to hide it |
| [13:14:11] | clever: | but i dont know if it would just kill every copy of that file |
| [13:14:37] | clever: | i could allways backup the repo before i play with it |
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| [13:37:32] | Thomas-: | DustyBin: ooo... security issues you say... I guess I can count my 3 year old installation Owned then :) |
| [13:39:16] | ** Dibblah discovered last month that his Mythweb instance was (due to a stupid misconfiguration) completely open to the internet. ** | |
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| [13:39:30] | Dibblah: | Oddly, nothing happened. Must have been that way for a good 6 months. |
| [13:40:13] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [13:40:43] | Dibblah: | Google shows quite a few Myth instances. |
| [13:40:44] | Dagmar: | This would be why I'm doing mine with a rather conservative http package as well |
| [13:40:54] | Dagmar: | Yeah, I Googled for that a few weeks ago. :) |
| [13:41:24] | Dagmar: | google is awesome for things you probably _shouldn't_ be searching for... like XLS files with "SSN#" in them |
| [13:41:47] | Dagmar: | Some law office in AZ had the last _seven years_ of WIC recipients personal data just lying around unsecured |
| [13:42:15] | neb_: | az? |
| [13:42:25] | Dagmar: | Arizona |
| [13:42:32] | Dagmar: | That was a dodgy oine |
| [13:43:07] | Dagmar: | Luckily I know a chick from high school who works in a public defender's office who was able to give them a not-so-subtle heads' up that that file needed to be taken off their damn website |
| [13:43:07] | Dibblah: | What? For all 500 residents? ;) |
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| [13:43:14] | Dagmar: | Try 20,000 |
| [13:43:18] | Dagmar: | Including children. |
| [13:43:33] | Dagmar: | ...and their medical HIV and so forth status |
| [13:43:40] | Thomas-: | they should alert google cache also :) |
| [13:43:45] | Dagmar: | ...and phone numbers, home addresses, and social security numbers. |
| [13:43:46] | Thomas-: | and archive.org :) |
| [13:43:59] | Dagmar: | Like, "some people would be out of a fuckin' job" level screw up on their part |
| [13:44:16] | Dagmar: | No WAY was I making a direct phone call to tell them about that, and anonymous emails were clearly _not_ reaching anyone with a brain |
| [13:44:26] | Dibblah: | You've not worked in government, have you? |
| [13:44:40] | Dagmar: | I told my girl to tell them they absically had one month to get those files offline, or I start calling Phoenix news stations, who will DEFINITELY make people aware of it |
| [13:44:52] | Dibblah: | That sort of thing is an excuse for promotion. |
| [13:45:04] | Dagmar: | Oh no |
| [13:45:12] | Dagmar: | Seriously, that law firm would have been in some major shit |
| [13:45:26] | Dagmar: | CNN-level coverage of their irresponsibilty to say the least |
| [13:45:48] | Dagmar: | I thought at first it was test data, but then I was able to verify the information of about 15 of the first 20 names I picked at random |
| [13:46:24] | Dagmar: | If you call a _law firm_ to tell them some bad news like that, there's a very good chance they're going to claim you *broke into* their website |
| [13:46:29] | Dagmar: | ...just to save face. |
| [13:47:22] | Dagmar: | Hell, they *broke the law* just by not disclosing that they made that fuck up |
| [13:48:02] | mjj29: | Dagmar: yeah, you have to be a for-real security researcher to get away with that |
| [13:48:09] | mjj29: | and sometimes even we worry about it |
| [13:48:33] | Dagmar: | I *am* a "for real" security researcher |
| [13:49:05] | Dagmar: | Getting people to vouch for the fact that I'm a white hat isn't really an issue. The FBI knows me well. heh |
| [13:49:13] | mjj29: | ah (-: |
| [13:49:22] | mjj29: | Dagmar: with whom? |
| [13:50:07] | Dagmar: | Well, let's see... I used to work in the internal security dept of Deloitte, Touche & Tomatsu, which is when/where I got my CISSP, then I was one of the senior security engineers at iAsiaWorks... |
| [13:50:14] | mjj29: | cool |
| [13:50:45] | ** mjj29 is about to submit his PhD in computer security to www.cam.ac.uk ** | |
| [13:51:21] | DustyBin: | mythtv has never been subjected to any exploits? |
| [13:51:32] | hashbang: | mjj29: studying under Ross Anderson? |
| [13:51:34] | Dagmar: | I mainly just keep to myself noawadays, and am quite happy to let people burn their own little castles down with bad security |
| [13:51:44] | Dagmar: | Other people's problems give me migraines |
| [13:51:46] | mjj29: | hashbang: same group, different supervisor |
| [13:51:56] | mjj29: | he's probably going to be my internal examiner |
| [13:52:07] | hashbang: | mjj29: cool. His is one of the few textbooks I've read cover-to-cover. |
| [13:52:13] | GreyFoxx: | DustyBin: No, but it'd be trivial to fsck someone up if you could reach the mythprotocol port |
| [13:52:15] | mjj29: | hashbang: new one is out soon |
| [13:52:18] | hashbang: | 'Security Engineering', that is. |
| [13:52:20] | mjj29: | and for free on his website |
| [13:52:22] | GreyFoxx: | there is no authenticationwhat soever |
| [13:52:26] | Dagmar: | ...but when we're talking about something on the order of five-digit's worth of poor people having their credit information just out there for people to _steal_, including _children's_ information, I start banging on windows and yelling at people on the phone |
| [13:52:34] | mjj29: | Dagmar: mmm |
| [13:52:45] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but Myth is an appliance app. |
| [13:52:48] | GreyFoxx: | If Icanreach theprotocol port I can alteryour databasedata anbd recordings |
| [13:52:49] | DustyBin: | MythTV.21-fixes.File Stack Overflow Exploit |
| [13:53:01] | Dagmar: | If you put it on an exposed network port, you have screwed up from the start |
| [13:53:16] | mjj29: | Dagmar: otoh, you don't really need to do that to be vulnerable |
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| [13:53:31] | Dagmar: | This is true, but the exposure level is basically "yer soaps" so who cares |
| [13:53:44] | DustyBin: | MythTV.21-fixes-MDB File Parsing Stack Overflow PoC |
| [13:53:50] | mjj29: | Dagmar: see: http://crypto.stanford.edu/dns/ |
| [13:54:00] | DustyBin: | i never see anything like that, maybe mythtv is too secure :P |
| [13:54:18] | Dagmar: | mjj29: yeah, I'm aware |
| [13:54:53] | Dagmar: | But basically, there's no need for people to leave their myth boxes exposed to access from just anything |
| [13:55:23] | hashbang: | Dagmar: yeah, I closed down all the myth ports I could, or switched them to only listen on lo, then firewalled the rest |
| [13:55:24] | Dagmar: | that's probably inviting some kind of copyright violation |
| [13:55:43] | hashbang: | Dagmar: but then, my Myth FE/BE is also my DNS, DHCP, firewall, privoxy... |
| [13:56:04] | Dagmar: | Ah, see my myth box is quite standalone, so I don't have to sweat that stuff. |
| [13:56:19] | Dagmar: | My biggest exposure is pretty much MythWeb and that's about it |
| [13:56:37] | GreyFoxx: | hashbang: Ihope you are filteringthe myth ports |
| [13:56:47] | hashbang: | Dagmar: came about because I had a firewall box on 16h/7, so I figured I'd get the Myth box for 8h/7 worth of electricity |
| [13:56:52] | hashbang: | GreyFoxx: naturally. :-) |
| [13:57:03] | Dagmar: | GreyFoxx: I'd like to think he's just dropping *all* packets, and then having allow rules for what he actually needs |
| [13:57:34] | Dagmar: | There's pleny of places to worry about security with Myth if one wants to |
| [13:57:36] | hashbang: | Dagmar: explicit drop on ports I know are listening, plus a default deny policy. :-) |
| [13:57:55] | ** mjj29 has.... 4 computers on 24/7 ** | |
| [13:57:56] | Dagmar: | Let's take the firewire "read all your memorieez" problem the media has gotten excited about lately for starters |
| [13:57:59] | ** hashbang knows he makes mistakes at times, and makes allowances for that. :-) ** | |
| [13:58:34] | Dagmar: | In theory, a megalomaniac could push out naughty firmwares to a cable francises stbs and then begin compromising PVRs |
| [13:58:49] | Dagmar: | Kind of an excessively complex example, but still possible |
| [13:59:00] | hashbang: | Dagmar: how about some exploits of common MHEG interpreters? |
| [13:59:11] | Dagmar: | Some shifty station engineer could put naughty data in the CC data |
| [13:59:20] | Dagmar: | hashbang: Oh I've not even got to that yet |
| [13:59:25] | hashbang: | Dagmar: heh |
| [13:59:49] | Dagmar: | All kinds of exploits could be pushed out by satellite providers of digital video who want to basically destroy any equipment listning to _all_ data |
| [14:00:00] | Dagmar: | ...and people would probably never even notice |
| [14:00:26] | hashbang: | Ross Anderson's book has some nice stuff on the sat tv crypto wars |
| [14:00:34] | Dagmar: | like that ploy one sat provider did about 15 years ago, where they had a commercial that ran telling everyone to call a 1–800 number to get a free t-shirt celebrating x years of service |
| [14:00:52] | Dagmar: | ...the commercial was flagged so that _no_ units should have shown it, except the people who were using hacked decoders. |
| [14:01:12] | Dagmar: | So, phone in for a free t-shirt, get a free subpoena to go with it |
| [14:01:53] | mjj29: | Dagmar: nice |
| [14:02:03] | Dagmar: | Yeah I thought it was pretty slick, too |
| [14:02:07] | hnitsuj: | heh the one time my input might be useful & the bloke runs off |
| [14:02:23] | mjj29: | "I bought this lousy t-shirt and all I got was sent to prison" |
| [14:02:41] | hnitsuj: | just been into Warrington. I know where people get the idea that it's grim up North now |
| [14:03:33] | DustyBin: | i was on the phone to the guy at keene electronics, and he said this box DOES work with nvidia cards: |
| [14:03:35] | Dagmar: | But basically, plenty of precedents have been set that amount to "large companies don't get prosecuted for violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act" no matter what they do |
| [14:03:40] | DustyBin: | http://www.keene.co.uk/electronics/multi.php?mycode=KST1 |
| [14:03:56] | Dagmar: | So, anything these media companies want to try to break legit homebrew equipment is pretty much fair game |
| [14:04:28] | hashbang: | DustyBin: schweet. Glad someone's making them ready-built! |
| [14:04:31] | DustyBin: | hnitsuj, imagine mythtv on your TV with no S-Video noise |
| [14:04:41] | Dagmar: | It's called a "sync thingy"? hah! |
| [14:04:48] | DustyBin: | aye yes, i spoke to the engineer just now |
| [14:05:25] | hnitsuj: | DustyBin: imagine that I couldn't build a simple transistor circuit & make it work! |
| [14:05:45] | DustyBin: | hnitsuj: he said the circuits are a lot cleaner than the stuff i showed him ie whats on the mythtv website |
| [14:05:47] | hashbang: | DustyBin: a tweak I did was to pull power from the VGA socket, rather than an external PSU |
| [14:05:56] | hnitsuj: | DustyBin: course he did! |
| [14:06:18] | DustyBin: | hnitsuj: he wasnt a sales person, he was a engineer! |
| [14:06:21] | Dagmar: | mjj29: I would probably be releasing papers and such, but the political climate is still too hot for me |
| [14:06:27] | hnitsuj: | DustyBin: even so... |
| [14:06:42] | mjj29: | Dagmar: US? |
| [14:06:42] | hnitsuj: | anyway I'll put up & wait til I get a telly with de hud |
| [14:06:53] | Dagmar: | There was PLENTY I could have said riffing off of Acidus's original AJAX exploits, but that wanders into spaces where I'd rather not give the criminals any more ideas than they already have |
| [14:06:57] | ** DustyBin orders the "thingy" ** | |
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| [14:07:20] | Dagmar: | As it was it only took seven months for someone to publish that ther'es no problem at all using image size as a covert channel for even more data reported back |
| [14:07:40] | mjj29: | I wouldn't worry about giving them ideas, tbh |
| [14:07:53] | hnitsuj: | DustyBin: anyhow, the cable STB is hogging the only RGB input my telly has and mrs wifey won't allow swapping it to AV2 |
| [14:07:54] | mjj29: | they have people as good as we do |
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| [14:08:18] | Dagmar: | mjj29: Well, the US and everywhere. Hell, I worry that I'm going to hear that Dropline made it possible for some asshat to trade child porno easily using GPG and Evolution, let alone massive industrial espionage, or some of the civil rights violations and acts of genocide some of these madmen are capable of |
| [14:08:40] | Dagmar: | mjj29: Yes, but they also have a lot of people who are criminals because they're not smart enough to get decent jobs |
| [14:08:46] | hnitsuj: | and besides, it's all kind of moot anyway since I suspect the intel open source driver still can't do interlaced modes |
| [14:09:49] | Dagmar: | mjj29: I worked up a *nice* script for implementing identity verification out in the open over IRC, complete with easy hooks for sending limited amounts of encrypted text using strong crypto, not some crappy vignere knockoff |
| [14:10:03] | Dagmar: | I didn't release it because frankly, there's too many bomb-throwing luniatics out there as it is |
| [14:10:07] | mjj29: | mm |
| [14:10:15] | Dagmar: | ...not to mention the damn bot kiddies and credit thieves |
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| [14:11:23] | Dagmar: | I would really rather people who are up to no good have to work hard for it and possibly screw up, rather than use what they could get from me for free to do evil. |
| [14:12:02] | Dagmar: | There's a difference between having a small elite group of people doing something, and what you get when there's a tool to let any idiot do it. |
| [14:12:09] | Dagmar: | Case in point: Software and audio piracy |
| [14:12:17] | Dagmar: | It *used* to be hard to get zero-day warez. |
| [14:12:28] | mjj29: | yeah, but the small elite group will release something everyone can use |
| [14:12:37] | mjj29: | whether it's you, or the black hats, it will happen |
| [14:12:41] | Dagmar: | Now it's completely out of control because any idjit can install Azureus and start warezing things up in under 10 minutes flat |
| [14:13:00] | hashbang: | Dagmar: that long? |
| [14:13:16] | Dagmar: | Exactly. |
| [14:13:21] | ** hashbang remembers the days of secret FSP sites... ** | |
| [14:13:31] | hnitsuj: | !list |
| [14:13:47] | Dagmar: | I remember the days when you didn't FXP, you sent the stuff directly |
| [14:13:52] | ** DustyBin remembers the days of IRC in 1997 ** | |
| [14:14:09] | ** DustyBin remembers the amiga bbs demo scene days too :( ** | |
| [14:14:20] | ** DustyBin remembers the C64 days :( ** | |
| [14:14:51] | Dagmar: | Now, if we could just start *killing off the chronically stupid people*, then I'd feel more comfortable releasing _powerful_ tools on the Internet. |
| [14:15:33] | Dagmar: | Until then I feel like I"m possibly hanging up a rack that says "FREE CHAINSAWS" outside an elementary school. |
| [14:16:21] | hnitsuj: | I sometimes wonder whether all the ludicrous copy protection we have now would even exist if file sharing wasn't the huge problem it currently is |
| [14:16:24] | Dagmar: | With great power comes ridiculous levels of irresponsible behaviour. |
| [14:16:35] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: It existed before just fine |
| [14:17:02] | Dagmar: | Companies have been breaking people's equipment to protect _their_ interests since the C-64 days |
| [14:17:39] | Dagmar: | I generally crack the stuff I buy now just out of habit, and to put a stop to idiots installing a million tiny DRM apps on the machine that might be doing god only knows what |
| [14:17:46] | hashbang: | Dagmar: well, yes, I remember the Amiga scene, based around USR Courier modems and people posting floppies around |
| [14:17:53] | ** Dagmar glares in the general direction of Sony ** | |
| [14:17:58] | ** hashbang wonders what the bandwidth of a Postman is... ** | |
| [14:18:17] | Dagmar: | hashbang: Probably only slightly less than the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with LTO tapes |
| [14:18:18] | hnitsuj: | hashbang: depends entirely on the size of storage you send innit ;) |
| [14:18:25] | hashbang: | heh |
| [14:18:28] | Dagmar: | Latency == HIGH, bandwidth == OMG |
| [14:18:36] | DustyBin: | hashbang: i used to recieve 10 brown jiffy bags full of demos / games nearly every morning :D |
| [14:18:45] | DustyBin: | those were the days |
| [14:18:45] | hnitsuj: | Kbits/week |
| [14:19:33] | DustyBin: | Red Sector * Scoopex * Quartex * Melon Design * <--- the days of real coders :D |
| [14:20:41] | jamesd: | bill joy the real coder.... wrote an editor that is still used on every unix like OS 20 years later |
| [14:20:42] | hnitsuj: | ahhh scoopex. and to think I only hated amiga people because I had the much lamer machine. Atari ST :( |
| [14:21:14] | DustyBin: | haha, the word 'lame' came into use because of the amiga virus called 'lamer exterminator' |
| [14:21:43] | hnitsuj: | anyway better get cracking again – much machines to fettle today |
| [14:22:03] | hnitsuj: | must be nice to be the other technician, off getting stoned in Amsterdam |
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| [14:32:18] | hnitsuj: | bloody hell it's half past two in the afternoon & scan still haven't updated their 'today only' page. lazy bastards |
| [14:33:52] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: schmoke and a pancake? |
| [14:34:03] | Dagmar: | Only if you're a tourist, apparently |
| [14:34:25] | ** hashbang liked Amsterdam, and I didn't even visit any of the coffee shops. ** | |
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| [14:34:38] | ** hashbang did teh culcha, innit ** | |
| [14:35:33] | Dagmar: | Yes, but your handle is hashbang, so we figure you were probably sneering at the schwag |
| [14:35:38] | hashbang: | heh |
| [14:36:12] | hashbang: | I liked the food over there, too |
| [14:36:25] | hashbang: | surprising, because the Netherlands isn't really famed for its cuisine |
| [14:36:48] | hashbang: | but got nice veggie, indonesian and pizza out there |
| [14:37:04] | hashbang: | sadly, was a bit rough on the day I was planning to go to a dutch restaurant |
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| [14:40:55] | ** DustyBin enjoys FLAC + mythmusic ** | |
| [14:41:28] | iamlindoro__: | "Hey everyone! I do FLAC in MythMusic!" |
| [14:41:34] | iamlindoro__: | "Ask me about LOOM!" |
| [14:42:14] | iamlindoro__: | ;) |
| [14:42:37] | ** iamlindoro__ figures directhex|work ought to understand that one ** | |
| [14:42:54] | hnitsuj: | MOAR $something |
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| [15:01:03] | DustyBin: | im going to ring some aerial installation companies for quotes on a digital freeview aerial fixed to the roof + masthead amp, is there anything i should think about before i speak to these people? |
| [15:01:51] | hnitsuj: | you sure you need a masthead amp? |
| [15:02:05] | DustyBin: | hnitsuj: why not? might as well just incase |
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| [15:02:23] | DustyBin: | i dont want any blocks on Televsion X :P |
| [15:02:40] | DustyBin: | there are a few channels what have low signal at the moment |
| [15:03:29] | jduggan: | lol |
| [15:03:59] | jduggan: | i got some quotes for an installation.. was looking about 160+vat |
| [15:04:04] | jduggan: | stupidly expensive :( |
| [15:04:41] | hnitsuj: | new aerial & ct100 coax cost me £50 when I moved in |
| [15:05:02] | iamlindoro_: | hnitsuj, Heh, not MOAR this time, was thinking of our mutual love for classic adventure games (That last quote was from Monkey Island) |
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| [15:06:36] | DustyBin: | hnitsuj: it might of only cost you £50 but it also cost you a good weekend installing it yourself |
| [15:06:49] | hnitsuj: | didn't do it myself! |
| [15:06:54] | DustyBin: | thats cheap |
| [15:07:09] | hnitsuj: | might be grim oop norf but it's cheap up here too :D |
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| [15:33:31] | DustyBin: | nice bank holiday weather here in UK |
| [15:33:38] | hnitsuj: | heh |
| [15:33:56] | hnitsuj: | picking my new car up tomorrow, that's all I'm doing this weekend |
| [15:34:07] | |Torg|: | cool, what are you getting? |
| [15:34:20] | DustyBin: | im going out for a curry, fix my computer desk, thats about it |
| [15:34:45] | hnitsuj: | pug 206 1.4 hdi £35 road tax, 50+ mpg :) |
| [15:34:55] | hnitsuj: | and cheaper to insure than my last car |
| [15:35:11] | DustyBin: | nice! |
| [15:35:43] | |Torg|: | this a deisel? |
| [15:35:54] | Frosty-: | YZF-R6, 0–60 3sec, 600cc, 50+ mpg :) |
| [15:36:20] | DustyBin: | havent played games for ages, but tempted to buy battlefield 2 and blow some shit up this weekend |
| [15:36:29] | hnitsuj: | saving moneys since I lose my 14p a mile allowance from work in september |
| [15:36:35] | Frosty-: | Are diesels still more economical even though its liquid itself is more expensive? |
| [15:36:40] | hnitsuj: | yeah |
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| [15:36:53] | hnitsuj: | so long as you don't rag the tits of em |
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| [15:37:09] | |Torg|: | yes Frosty- on a general sence diesel has more power per goallon, or I guess liter to you, then gassoline |
| [15:37:12] | Frosty-: | If you add a turbo, does it sort of counter-act the cost effectiveness |
| [15:37:27] | hnitsuj: | depends |
| [15:37:38] | |Torg|: | turbos make diesled MORE effective, its charging air |
| [15:37:45] | Frosty-: | oh :o |
| [15:37:49] | |Torg|: | so will a CAI, but MPG is mosly how you drive and the transmission |
| [15:37:53] | DustyBin: | Frosty-: how is your Nova-T ?! |
| [15:37:53] | Frosty-: | it also makes them much faster :) |
| [15:37:59] | hnitsuj: | fast. pfft |
| [15:38:08] | hnitsuj: | you don't go fast on the way to work round here |
| [15:38:25] | DustyBin: | speed cameras + heavy traffic = no point of fast car |
| [15:38:31] | hnitsuj: | ding ding |
| [15:38:35] | Frosty-: | DustyBin, I disabled EIT and switched to on-demand for both of them, added a normal DVB card to do my EIT scanning |
| [15:38:38] | Frosty-: | and it dies this morning |
| [15:38:48] | Frosty-: | the nova-t 500 had one tuner that couldnt lock :( |
| [15:39:08] | DustyBin: | Frosty-: i havent switched on on-demand |
| [15:39:15] | hnitsuj: | it's just a means of getting me to work in moderate comfort more cheaply than the train – though a Bentley would be cheaper than the train still, and walking is faster |
| [15:39:28] | DustyBin: | what is your normal dvb card what you use for scanning? |
| [15:39:40] | Frosty-: | a nova-t, single tuner variety |
| [15:39:52] | DustyBin: | Frosty-: hm.... do you really need EIT? |
| [15:40:21] | DustyBin: | Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2008-03–20 11:31 and ended on 2008-03–20 11:35. Successful. |
| [15:40:24] | DustyBin: | There's guide data until 2008-04–03 01:50 (14 days). |
| [15:40:27] | DustyBin: | ^^^ no EIT :D |
| [15:40:28] | Frosty-: | I spent an hour configuring radiotimes and then the reports were true. prorgamme descriptions go off-page |
| [15:40:32] | sentinel23: | ahoy! would there be anything stopping me from using mythweb from SVN with packaged everything else? |
| [15:40:51] | hnitsuj: | sentinel23: yes! |
| [15:40:57] | Dagmar: | Yes. |
| [15:40:58] | sentinel23: | thought so |
| [15:41:01] | hnitsuj: | plenty |
| [15:41:02] | sentinel23: | k |
| [15:41:07] | DustyBin: | Frosty-: id rather some descriptions going off page then segfaults |
| [15:41:14] | DustyBin: | than |
| [15:41:16] | |Torg|: | mythweb is version dependant as much as the plugins or anything else is |
| [15:41:17] | Dagmar: | Thou Shalt Not Crossbreed Versions. |
| [15:41:17] | Frosty-: | you had segfaults? :o |
| [15:41:23] | sentinel23: | thx guys! |
| [15:41:24] | hnitsuj: | sentinel23: prolly easier to turn lead into gold |
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| [15:41:37] | sentinel23: | ooh, maybe i should be doing that then |
| [15:41:37] | DustyBin: | Frosty-: i mean disconnects |
| [15:41:42] | |Torg|: | no hnitsuj lead to gold I can do, with a particle acclerator :P: |
| [15:42:04] | hnitsuj: | |Torg|: yeah – easier than making mixed versions of mythtv stuff work ;) |
| [15:42:13] | Frosty-: | I also spent £150 having the engineers over fitting a new outdoor aerial |
| [15:42:25] | hnitsuj: | engineers. pfft. the cheek |
| [15:42:46] | |Torg|: | Frosty-: either you paid WAY too much or the cost of workers in the UK is about 4X the cost here |
| [15:42:46] | DustyBin: | Frosty-: im in the process of researching that myself |
| [15:42:52] | hnitsuj: | engineering == pointing an aerial & running some coax in. I don't think |
| [15:43:12] | Frosty-: | they didnt even run coax, they re-used the cable from the loft aerial |
| [15:43:17] | |Torg|: | I paid about $80 for an antenn and $20 to have soneone install it |
| [15:43:18] | hnitsuj: | jesus |
| [15:43:25] | hnitsuj: | www.theysawyoucoming.com ? |
| [15:43:48] | |Torg|: | Firefox can't find the server at www.theysawyoucoming.com :P |
| [15:43:52] | Frosty-: | lol |
| [15:44:04] | hnitsuj: | still cheaper 'n' buying a good set of ladders though I spose |
| [15:44:39] | |Torg|: | and and allot easer then geting he the wife to watch tzap while you aim it too |
| [15:45:04] | hnitsuj: | use analogue to aim the aerial, while it's still on :) |
| [15:45:04] | Frosty-: | they had this LCD touchscreen thing that showed the strnegths of all mux's |
| [15:45:10] | Frosty-: | was pretty cool |
| [15:45:15] | DustyBin: | i now assume that every single place i buy something from there will be something wrong with it |
| [15:45:37] | DustyBin: | and every fitter / builder is more than likely a cowboy |
| [15:45:46] | hnitsuj: | I'm terrified I've bought a lemon with this car |
| [15:46:04] | Frosty-: | Well I am happy anyway, even if I paid a lot for it |
| [15:46:13] | Frosty-: | the aerial is 7 foot long :o |
| [15:46:19] | hnitsuj: | considered having a proper inspection done but they don't cover serious defects anyway |
| [15:46:20] | Frosty-: | looks a right twat on the roof |
| [15:47:13] | hnitsuj: | 7 foot? how far away from the mast do you live? |
| [15:47:25] | Frosty-: | 20 miles |
| [15:47:29] | hnitsuj: | wha? |
| [15:47:32] | hnitsuj: | wow |
| [15:47:32] | Frosty-: | about the furthest I could :o |
| [15:47:45] | Frosty-: | sucks to be me |
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| [15:47:51] | hnitsuj: | I live almost that away from Bolton where my main mast is |
| [15:48:01] | hnitsuj: | get by with a 10 element aerial :) |
| [15:48:30] | Frosty-: | an element is a pair of perendicular peices of metal from the antenna? |
| [15:48:54] | hnitsuj: | a pair? nah |
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| [15:49:03] | Frosty-: | each individual? |
| [15:49:08] | hnitsuj: | yeah AFAIK |
| [15:49:13] | ** Frosty- goes to count ** | |
| [15:49:30] | hnitsuj: | the bit behind the dipole is the reflector |
| [15:50:11] | hnitsuj: | that can be made of of sheet metal (with holes in) or wires |
| [15:50:33] | hnitsuj: | helps make the aerial more directional |
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| [15:52:17] | hnitsuj: | oh hell. there's going to be an A-Team film |
| [15:53:08] | jduggan: | hah nice |
| [15:53:13] | jduggan: | any original cast members? |
| [15:53:34] | Dagmar: | THen it would be "The AARP-Team" |
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| [15:53:39] | hnitsuj: | no cast info as yet |
| [15:53:59] | hnitsuj: | ICE-T is suspected to be involved |
| [15:54:06] | Frosty-: | http://www.nooblet.org/blog/gallery/sorted/20 . . . 0_154900.jpg |
| [15:54:13] | hnitsuj: | can I pay money NOT to go & see it? |
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| [15:54:19] | Dagmar: | Just so long as we don't have another repeat of "Star Trek: New Geriatrics" |
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| [15:55:15] | hnitsuj: | if they're going to keep doing films of 80s TV series, just do Alf & have done with it |
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| [15:55:52] | |Torg|: | hnitsuj: thank you very much damnit, I had forgoten that damn show existed. Now you reminded me of it |
| [15:55:56] | hnitsuj: | you'll never want to pay money to see a film ever again :) |
| [15:56:33] | |Torg|: | Frosty-: is that a UHF/VHF antenna? |
| [15:56:39] | hnitsuj: | could be worse I spose. Small Wonder The Movie :O |
| [15:58:44] | sentinel23: | I heard they're resurecting robocop |
| [15:59:03] | Frosty-: | |Torg|, no idea, I'm a consumer |
| [15:59:40] | |Torg|: | Frosty-: ok, bcae it looks to be a UHF only antenna, and I dont know if UK brodcast is done in VHF as well, like US brodcast |
| [16:00:30] | hnitsuj: | UK TV is UHF only |
| [16:00:30] | Frosty-: | Wells so far its working to receieve UK DVB-T, if I can't receive some channels then I'll complain :) |
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| [16:01:34] | hnitsuj: | I've seen everything now. HDMI video connection, and there's no red |
| [16:01:36] | |Torg|: | hnitsuj: I thing the US bordcast is moving that way, at least there are where I live. All my channels that are under 13 are really UHF residingated, and only our PBS station is til on VHF |
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| [16:02:14] | hnitsuj: | we used to have tv on VHF.. all 405 lines of 'high definition' in glorious monochrome :P |
| [16:02:30] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: and Knight Rider, Street Hawk, Manimal, Airwolf and Blue Thunder. |
| [16:02:43] | hnitsuj: | don't forget Automan ! |
| [16:02:48] | hashbang: | Glen A. Larson was my idol when I was 10. |
| [16:02:51] | hnitsuj: | oh and Whizz Kids ! |
| [16:02:59] | |Torg|: | the PBS station on VHF is more stable and I get higher SNR then any of the other ones, aat 1080I@60hz, works fine |
| [16:03:04] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: wow, someone else who remembers that! |
| [16:03:17] | hnitsuj: | Space Sentinels |
| [16:04:20] | |Torg|: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTVT is typical of my ATSC with the actual channel being UHF. |
| [16:04:57] | hnitsuj: | hashbang: automan on BBC1, then turn over to ITV immediately to catch whizz kids :) |
| [16:05:04] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: sounds familiar |
| [16:05:08] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: Saturday teatime |
| [16:05:09] | hnitsuj: | quality saturday night TV |
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| [16:06:52] | ** hnitsuj wonders whatever happened to the Children's Film Foundation .... ** | |
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| [16:12:53] | ** DustyBin listens to david bowie – thursdays child ** | |
| [16:13:03] | DustyBin: | (FLAC) :P |
| [16:18:19] | hashbang: | haha |
| [16:19:02] | hashbang: | Bruce Dickinson (Iron Maiden singer) is on Sky 3 shortly presenting a doc on spontaneous human combustion |
| [16:19:32] | Dagmar: | Well, it's good they've called in an expert |
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| [16:19:39] | hashbang: | Dagmar: hehe |
| [16:20:15] | Dagmar: | I guess the frontman for Great White would be in poor taste. |
| [16:20:25] | hashbang: | Dagmar: you're going to hell. |
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| [16:22:39] | Dagmar: | Trust me, that little comment isn't going to do it if I'm not already set up with a reserved seat as it is. |
| [16:23:17] | AndyCap: | bring out the comfy chair! |
| [16:23:34] | dafuzz: | hey all, I just installed a mythtv-frontend on my laptop and for some reason my recordings and live tv aspect ratio is very wrong, the picture shows up as a small strip in the center of the screen, 'W' does not fix the issue? Any ideas? |
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| [16:24:05] | dafuzz: | the laptop uses the intel graphics driver with a resolution of 1280x800 |
| [16:25:26] | DustyBin: | this box has made my day, its now been shipped |
| [16:25:29] | DustyBin: | http://www.keene.co.uk/electronics/multi.php?mycode=KST1 |
| [16:25:45] | DustyBin: | long live crt |
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| [16:42:36] | sentinel23: | has anyone here fought and won the battle with 0-byte mythweb thumbnails? |
| [16:43:07] | tank-man: | permission problems? |
| [16:43:36] | sentinel23: | thought so, but even 777 didn't fix it |
| [16:44:14] | Dagmar: | Sounds like what's genning the thumbnails is just segfauling after opening the write() |
| [16:44:29] | Dagmar: | So, you can nuke 'em, and you'll just get a fresh set of 0-byte files |
| [16:44:30] | sentinel23: | there's something on the wiki pointing to this http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3217, but I think I've tried most of what's been suggested |
| [16:44:39] | sentinel23: | sounds right dag |
| [16:46:21] | Dagmar: | I'd say it might be time to bang on ffmpeg a little |
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| [16:47:08] | Dagmar: | Or heck, just verbally abuse ffmpeg a little |
| [16:47:14] | sentinel23: | lol |
| [16:47:16] | Dagmar: | It'll make you feel better, and it probably deserves it anyway. |
| [16:47:37] | sentinel23: | haha |
| [16:48:21] | Dagmar: | I find myself in the curious position of feeling like I owe ffmpeg an apology, since the last time I updated it, nothing got any better. |
| [16:48:48] | Dagmar: | Of course, it would have helped if I'd actually updated the filename in the build script to point at the _newer_ version instead of just changing the version number used to generate the final package. |
| [16:48:59] | Dagmar: | I just flat out forgot to put $VERSION in the url string |
| [16:49:02] | sentinel23: | rofl nice |
| [16:49:13] | sentinel23: | buy it some fflowers? |
| [16:49:35] | Dagmar: | I'll settle for not having automatically blamed it for the build bug I found this morning |
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| [17:12:05] | BaZiL: | hi guyes . want to ask somethings ... |
| [17:12:19] | BaZiL: | is it possible to use 2 videocards for playing myhttv ? |
| [17:12:37] | BaZiL: | i mean both my nvidiacard .. and my haupage out |
| [17:13:00] | |Torg|: | do you want to have the same thing on both or two differnt things on each? |
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| [17:13:09] | BaZiL: | same on both |
| [17:13:29] | |Torg|: | that is an X setup then, and not mythtv |
| [17:13:39] | BaZiL: | ok . .but its dooable ? |
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| [17:16:13] | Dagmar: | If you run *two* frontends |
| [17:18:11] | BaZiL: | oki |
| [17:18:27] | BaZiL: | i cant like have the same signal on both cards ? |
| [17:18:47] | |Torg|: | or you could setup one nvidia card for twinview and do two montiors for the same thing |
| [17:18:57] | |Torg|: | but that is for one card, not two |
| [17:19:53] | BaZiL: | cant do that .. .. i need one scartout .. and one s-video |
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| [17:25:35] | xris: | hnitsuj: ping |
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| [17:42:33] | AndyCap: | BaZiL: time to look at VGA->Scart cables then |
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| [17:47:54] | BaZiL: | if i run s-video to scart i get it in black and whinte |
| [17:47:56] | BaZiL: | white |
| [17:50:08] | AndyCap: | BaZiL: yes, that's normal. scarts can either handle rgb or s-video. some tv's have a setting for which, others have one svideo scart and one rgb scart |
| [17:51:56] | BaZiL: | yea i know . thats why i need to use both my cards |
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| [17:52:55] | psm321_: | hi |
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| [17:53:50] | psm321_: | what's a good option for a non-tuner card ir receiver, other than MCE? (i've heard that mce receivers only work with mce remotes and i want to use my existing hauppauge non-mce remote) |
| [17:55:33] | iamlindoro_: | build your own if you like, but I have the hauppauge working with other remotes |
| [17:55:35] | AndyCap: | BaZiL: and why I suggest that you look into VGA -> Scart cables. not svideo |
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| [17:55:50] | iamlindoro_: | It just has to be RC6 compliant, which is any fairly new remote |
| [17:56:12] | iamlindoro_: | and you can make a lot of RC5 devices work fine w/ irrecord in raw mode |
| [17:56:22] | psm321_: | iamlindoro_: i want to use my existing hauppauge remote, but am building a separate frontend that wont have a tuner card in it |
| [17:56:36] | iamlindoro_: | psm321, Ought to work fine w/ the MCE if you wanted to |
| [17:56:41] | psm321_: | (whereas i currently use the receiver plugged into the pvr-350) |
| [17:57:27] | psm321_: | iamlindoro_: hmm ok, i thought i read on this channel earlier that MCE receivers will only work with MCE remotes |
| [17:57:58] | iamlindoro_: | psm321_, Nope, work fine |
| [17:58:07] | psm321_: | ok |
| [17:58:08] | iamlindoro_: | psm321, I have heard it mistakenly said, though |
| [17:58:24] | psm321_: | is there a standard mce receiver thats best, or just go on ebay and look for one? :) |
| [17:58:43] | iamlindoro_: | the one hauppauge sells (which they sell seperate as well) works great |
| [17:59:21] | psm321_: | and you're saying it should work with hauppauge's pre-mce remote right? |
| [17:59:27] | iamlindoro_: | yup |
| [18:00:46] | iamlindoro_: | worst case scenario you might have to irrecord the button definitions in raw mode, but unlikely |
| [18:01:06] | psm321_: | heh none on ebay |
| [18:01:09] | psm321_: | but i'll keep looking |
| [18:01:11] | psm321_: | thanks |
| [18:01:23] | iamlindoro_: | np |
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| [18:11:16] | psm321_: | perhaps i should just buy a pvr-150 and use it only for the remote :) |
| [18:11:36] | psm321_: | (all the mce kits i see have big ugly receivers) |
| [18:11:50] | iamlindoro_: | hauppauge sells the same remote on their site |
| [18:12:37] | psm321_: | i already have the remote... i need a receiver |
| [18:12:44] | iamlindoro_: | that's w/ receiver |
| [18:12:49] | iamlindoro_: | duh |
| [18:12:53] | psm321_: | sorry |
| [18:13:51] | iamlindoro_: | http://registration.hauppauge.com/webstore/ha . . . t=mce_remote |
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| [18:15:07] | iamlindoro_: | "But it's $SOMETHINGWRONG and I need $RANDOMFEATURE!" |
| [18:15:15] | psm321_: | well yes |
| [18:15:28] | psm321_: | :) |
| [18:15:53] | psm321_: | thats got the big ugly receiver :-/ i want something i can stick in my new htpc case, like the tiny one that comes with the cards (i'm assuming that the big thing is the receiver and the small one is the transmitter there) |
| [18:16:12] | iamlindoro_: | Sorry, you have to build it yourself if you want some little nub |
| [18:16:16] | AndyCap: | anyone use a home-brew receiver? do they work ok? |
| [18:16:26] | psm321_: | heh, i might have to do that |
| [18:16:33] | hnitsuj: | mine is great thanks :) |
| [18:16:33] | psm321_: | if only had another serial port... :-P |
| [18:16:40] | iamlindoro_: | And it's *not* a big recevier by any stretch, BTW |
| [18:16:50] | AndyCap: | hnitsuj: well, isn't electronics your day-job? |
| [18:17:07] | hnitsuj: | had problems powering it from my flea-pee-aye-ay serial port though – ended up tapping 5v from a USB port :) |
| [18:17:34] | hnitsuj: | AndyCap: they're hardly complex to build though. 7805 regulator, 3 pin ir receiver IC, resistor & a diode |
| [18:18:06] | hnitsuj: | if you plan on trying to make one fit into a 9 way 'd' shell – now that's tricky |
| [18:18:07] | iamlindoro_: | any HTPC worth its salt should already have an IR receiver |
| [18:18:09] | PatrickDK: | I'm just going use usb ones myself |
| [18:18:11] | iamlindoro_: | case, that is |
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| [18:18:25] | PatrickDK: | iam, I am not going use htpc |
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| [18:18:31] | AndyCap: | hnitsuj: Ok. :) if that design works fine, why fit it in a dsub. just build it into the pc. :) |
| [18:18:32] | PatrickDK: | going run fiber to the tv's |
| [18:18:37] | iamlindoro_: | PatrickDK, was referring to psm321 saying he had a new one |
| [18:18:40] | hnitsuj: | iamlindoro_: yeah but how many are truly worth their salt that aren't the size of wardrobes and/or have fugly ports on the front? |
| [18:18:41] | PatrickDK: | nothing like dvi over fiber :) |
| [18:18:44] | PatrickDK: | ah |
| [18:18:52] | iamlindoro_: | hnitsuj, half dozen-ish? |
| [18:19:01] | psm321_: | iamlindoro_: it might, not sure :) (buying it used) |
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| [18:19:04] | psm321_: | i think it does actually, as part of the imon |
| [18:19:09] | iamlindoro_: | psm321, What case |
| [18:19:34] | psm321_: | thermaltake mozart |
| [18:19:44] | hnitsuj: | yeah imon VFDs all have remote receivers in em AFAIK |
| [18:20:03] | hnitsuj: | I've yet to work out what I'd actually _need_ a VFD for though |
| [18:20:15] | psm321_: | looks neat :) |
| [18:20:24] | hnitsuj: | looks distracting |
| [18:20:36] | psm321_: | with the media lab add-on, which seems to have a receiver (comes with a remote, so it must....) |
| [18:20:40] | hnitsuj: | the less a PC looks like a gambling machine the better :P |
| [18:20:41] | iamlindoro_: | you can't stand a little USB Ir receiver but that foul chunk of case is to your liking? |
| [18:20:57] | iamlindoro_: | I am puzzled |
| [18:20:59] | psm321_: | iamlindoro_: heh not my ideal case but i had to watch the $$$ too |
| [18:21:11] | psm321_: | iamlindoro_: i could stand it, just trying ot avoid it :) |
| [18:21:26] | iamlindoro_: | Anyway, yes, it ought to have a receiver |
| [18:21:43] | psm321_: | k then i guess the point is moot :) |
| [18:21:54] | hnitsuj: | if you can find a case with a window (!) there are internal receivers you can buy |
| [18:22:10] | hnitsuj: | USB, MCE remote receivers |
| [18:22:30] | psm321_: | hnitsuj: thats kinda what i was looking for, couldnt find any (but it doesnt matter now) |
| [18:22:45] | hnitsuj: | actually it's prolly cheaper to get a regular USB remote receiver & take it to bits! |
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| [18:24:44] | BaZiL: | &j #linux.se |
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| [18:28:23] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro_: i calculated the power usage with my one modulator and upconverter, only 8W |
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| [18:31:02] | CCFL_Man2: | kind of high though |
| [18:31:04] | iamlindoro_: | CCFL_Man2, Thsi makes you no less crazy |
| [18:31:06] | iamlindoro_: | This |
| [18:31:09] | CCFL_Man2: | lol |
| [18:31:43] | iamlindoro_: | The only acceptable wattage for cable headend equipment in the home is *0* |
| [18:31:51] | CCFL_Man2: | lol |
| [18:32:11] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/03/20/poll-who . . . vr/#comments |
| [18:32:15] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, vote for Myth! |
| [18:32:31] | sentinel23: | woted :) |
| [18:32:33] | sentinel23: | v |
| [18:33:07] | psm321_: | Who makes the best HD DVR? I do... using Myth :) |
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| [18:35:05] | CCFL_Man2: | what the f |
| [18:35:10] | CCFL_Man2: | tivo is shit |
| [18:35:17] | |Torg|: | tivo, dishnet, directv, watch whats being recorded, cant switch tuners....hmm nice coice |
| [18:35:28] | Dagmar: | Uhh, let's be honest, TiVo is _not_ "shit" |
| [18:35:35] | Dagmar: | TiVo is actually really good. |
| [18:35:42] | Dagmar: | It's just _closed_ and not particularly flexible. |
| [18:35:49] | |Torg|: | tivo, record tv I never intended to watch...I love that feature, yea right |
| [18:35:59] | Dagmar: | Torg: So _turn it off_ |
| [18:36:19] | Dagmar: | I've _had_ a TiVo in the house, so you're not floating any inapplicable arguments like that past me. |
| [18:36:28] | Dagmar: | It doesn't try to guess what you'd like to record unless you tell it to. |
| [18:36:29] | |Torg|: | Dagmar: its on a shelf in the garrage |
| [18:37:14] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: tivo turned to shit once they got sued for allowing flexibility |
| [18:37:16] | |Torg|: | and yes I have had mine record things like Hill Street Blues, becase I told it to record Law & Order |
| [18:37:26] | |Torg|: | and yes it recorded all kinds of stuff I never intened to watch |
| [18:37:45] | |Torg|: | so I am not exactly sure what Tivo you have, but my comments are from experiacne and practical application of one |
| [18:38:18] | Dagmar: | And again, that's a feature you can turn off on them. |
| [18:38:21] | CCFL_Man2: | 30 second skip is almost non existant |
| [18:38:27] | |Torg|: | a reaplytv was superior to tivo in manmy ways untill they got sued out of existance |
| [18:38:33] | Dagmar: | We *did* turn it off on ours becuase it got _too_ good at picking the weird crap we wanted to see |
| [18:38:41] | Dagmar: | I do agree ReplayTV was better |
| [18:38:49] | Dagmar: | Neither of them were shit tho |
| [18:39:01] | CCFL_Man2: | i take my words back |
| [18:39:11] | |Torg|: | I didnt say it was shit, just that I did not prefer them |
| [18:39:12] | CCFL_Man2: | i still have a hacked directivo |
| [18:39:34] | Dagmar: | 30 second skip was the first thing the Replay box we had upgraded into itself when we first got it |
| [18:39:37] | Dagmar: | THAT was funny. |
| [18:39:53] | psm321_: | do any of the commercial dvr's have commercial skip (not just 30s) anymore? |
| [18:39:59] | Dagmar: | They'd just gotten done with the lawsuit over them shipping the machine with a commercial skip, and they kind of took the ruling literally. |
| [18:40:05] | psm321_: | i love that feature in myth... just so neat to show off |
| [18:40:10] | |Torg|: | 30 second skip and commerical flagging is probbly the main reason I went to myth to begin with |
| [18:40:17] | psm321_: | that and 2x play... but tivo and replay cant do that :) |
| [18:40:21] | Dagmar: | So, the box shipped with commercial skip disabled, but immediately upgraded in 30s skip the moment you plugged it up. Heh |
| [18:40:38] | psm321_: | s/but/bet |
| [18:40:48] | |Torg|: | my reaplys still work, with lifetime subs. But I have no use for them as they are SD |
| [18:40:50] | Dagmar: | I was also highly fond of the Java Replay interface |
| [18:40:53] | Dagmar: | That was NICE |
| [18:41:09] | Dagmar: | Ya didn't even have to remember where the remote was if you had your laptop in your kap |
| [18:41:14] | |Torg|: | http://my.replaytv.com/ <-- THAT was nice |
| [18:41:45] | Dagmar: | DVArchive made me figure out how to make Java work without exploding. heh |
| [18:42:06] | CCFL_Man2: | my question is, for clear qam channels on an hd tivo, how in the world do you set the proper guide data? |
| [18:42:38] | Dagmar: | When you set the thing up, if it can't find a configuration to match your area, there's an 800 number it'll have you call, where one of their CS reps _will figure it out_ |
| [18:42:51] | CCFL_Man2: | ahh |
| [18:42:54] | Dagmar: | I actually *got* a call from one of their people last week |
| [18:42:59] | Dagmar: | That was funny as hell |
| [18:43:26] | Dagmar: | I was probably the only guy in the building who would have known the magic to poll Zap2it's database (which is where TiVo gets their data) for the _campus_ cable system |
| [18:43:57] | Dagmar: | I was also actually suprised that it was a native English speaker calling at 10pm |
| [18:44:30] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: if thats the case might be worth it to get one |
| [18:44:32] | Dagmar: | Myth wins over both of those for outright flexibility |
| [18:44:40] | |Torg|: | whats the matter, don't you like Inglish :P |
| [18:45:45] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: i'm having an issue with mp2 audio on clear qam, my samsung hdtv stb doesn't decode it |
| [18:46:10] | hnitsuj: | so make it ac3 then :) |
| [18:46:19] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm not sure if any decode it |
| [18:46:41] | CCFL_Man2: | hnitsuj: that would be a waste |
| [18:46:45] | Dagmar: | Torg: No actually I really don't care for Engrish |
| [18:46:57] | Dagmar: | Having a language barrier in addition to the usual knowledge barrier is unuseful |
| [18:47:08] | |Torg|: | Rngrish I can take, its Inglish I dont like |
| [18:47:46] | Dagmar: | CCFL_Man2: I would think myth should be able to play that |
| [18:48:00] | Dagmar: | I would check for a possible firmware update for the STB tho |
| [18:48:21] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: myth does, no issue there |
| [18:48:41] | Dagmar: | Yeah, so check the manuf site for a possible FW update |
| [18:48:42] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm just not sure if mp2 on qam channels is normal |
| [18:48:52] | Dagmar: | I couldnt' tell about that either |
| [18:48:57] | CCFL_Man2: | i called samsung, they said i was SOL |
| [18:49:04] | CCFL_Man2: | ahh |
| [18:49:24] | Dagmar: | Well, that's dead in the water them if they said it wasn't possible |
| [18:49:43] | Dagmar: | Vendors *love* saying "Yes, our unit *can* do that!" |
| [18:49:51] | CCFL_Man2: | i hate to spend tons of money on other boxes to try it out though |
| [18:49:59] | Dagmar: | So buy something *used* |
| [18:50:05] | hnitsuj: | CCFL_Man2: I'm surprised mp2 doesn't work though. very |
| [18:50:10] | Dagmar: | 'cuz odds are, if it doesn't work, you can just sell it to someone else. |
| [18:50:27] | hnitsuj: | maybe even make money on it ^^^ (stupid folks who use ebay) ;) |
| [18:50:31] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: watching a couple on the bay |
| [18:50:32] | Dagmar: | Electronics don't degrade much in a couple week's time beyond the initial "it's used" value loss |
| [18:50:33] | |Torg|: | QAM is likse 8VSB or QPSK its a modultaitn, not a codec |
| [18:50:55] | Dagmar: | CCFL_Man2: Heck I'd see if there's a Craigslist for your area |
| [18:51:07] | hnitsuj: | |Torg|: bout time somebody else started saying that :) |
| [18:51:34] | Dagmar: | Torq: Yeah, but among these various mechanisms for sending video to people, most of them tend to predomenantly only be using a small subset of the codecs they _could_ be suing |
| [18:51:37] | Dagmar: | s/suing/using/; |
| [18:51:42] | CCFL_Man2: | |Torg|: i know :) |
| [18:52:06] | Dagmar: | I do occasionally pick up stuff off CL here, mess with it for a week or two, and then sell it to someone else |
| [18:52:19] | Dagmar: | Just to play with it. |
| [18:52:20] | Dagmar: | Heh |
| [18:52:20] | CCFL_Man2: | practically everything dcII is all ac3 |
| [18:53:00] | Dagmar: | It's a hobby that requires a small amount of capital, but very little "ongoing" costs. :) |
| [18:53:30] | |Torg|: | and just becase its on CL does not mean its cheap. Ive seen 30 year old radios for $500 that you can get at swap meetts for $50 |
| [18:53:40] | CCFL_Man2: | the guy at samsung said "well, if the SIR-T451 doesn't decode mp2, i'd image the DTB-H260F does not also" |
| [18:53:45] | Dagmar: | Yeah, I know. I've seen crazy scalpers on things like Wiis |
| [18:54:06] | Dagmar: | I kept the VAIO I got on there |
| [18:54:10] | CCFL_Man2: | i don't farking care about your imagination! |
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| [18:54:21] | Dagmar: | CCFL_Man2: I'd check their website |
| [18:54:33] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: i did, nothing |
| [18:54:37] | Dagmar: | If there's anything on the STB that looks like a USB slot, it's likely upgradeable |
| [18:54:43] | Dagmar: | 'ja check fansites? |
| [18:54:53] | Yahooadam: | Hey all, is the Nova-T 500 still the best dual DVB-T tuner? |
| [18:55:02] | hnitsuj: | best/only ? ;) |
| [18:55:03] | Dagmar: | Yahooadam: The USB one? |
| [18:55:15] | Yahooadam: | the nova-t 500 is PCI |
| [18:55:19] | Yahooadam: | isnt it :s |
| [18:55:19] | hnitsuj: | I still wouldn't, not even with somebody else's money |
| [18:55:35] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: the only hint i got was in the manual, saying if the qam channels are not part of the atsc standard, there might be problems |
| [18:55:47] | CCFL_Man2: | wtf does that exactly mean |
| [18:55:55] | |Torg|: | ATSC=8VSB |
| [18:56:01] | Dagmar: | "If it didn't work, yer boned, mate." |
| [18:56:04] | hnitsuj: | look in the ATSC spec for what the streams should contain |
| [18:56:09] | |Torg|: | Digital cable =4QAM, 16QAM, etc |
| [18:56:10] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: i know :P |
| [18:56:17] | |Torg|: | VSB != QAM |
| [18:56:32] | Dagmar: | I'd just ditch the thing then |
| [18:56:33] | CCFL_Man2: | |Torg|: transmodulation |
| [18:56:36] | Yahooadam: | "hnitsuj: I still wouldn't, not even with somebody else's money" – is that aimed at me? if so – why? |
| [18:56:53] | hnitsuj: | why? because of the blood dripping from the linux driver |
| [18:56:55] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: i am, i'm going to have to find one that works |
| [18:57:17] | Yahooadam: | hnitsuj – its worked fine for me in ubuntu .... |
| [18:57:32] | Dagmar: | Hans wrote that driver? |
| [18:57:37] | Dagmar: | (sorry, couldn't help it) |
| [18:57:49] | hnitsuj: | they tend to work just fine for a few hours |
| [18:57:51] | Dagmar: | I'm actually on Hans' side |
| [18:58:02] | hnitsuj: | even better if you never use EIT :) |
| [18:58:04] | CCFL_Man2: | |Torg|: sources for a qam modulator include an atsc ird or a vod server, etc, but not really a satellite ird |
| [18:58:43] | CCFL_Man2: | |Torg|: because cable companies like to compress the shit out of their channels |
| [18:58:58] | Yahooadam: | hnitsuj – so what dvb-t tuner would you reccomend? |
| [18:59:02] | Dagmar: | I wouldn't say "like" to |
| [18:59:16] | Dagmar: | I actually know one of the guys who was involved with Comcast's layout here for awhile |
| [18:59:17] | hnitsuj: | I don't recommend hardware. it has repurcussions |
| [18:59:40] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: it allows them to fit more channels and fools customers into thinking they are getting good value for their money |
| [18:59:47] | Dagmar: | basically, they just downsample the low viewership channels so they can put more of them in, they're still _always_ at least or better than NTSC broadcast |
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| [19:00:07] | Dagmar: | At least here they're definitely not |
| [19:00:19] | CCFL_Man2: | oh, hmm.. |
| [19:00:40] | Yahooadam: | meh, ill stick with the nova-t 500 then :p |
| [19:00:45] | Yahooadam: | its allways worked fine for me |
| [19:00:50] | Dagmar: | Stuff like HBO and whatnot gets assigned _plenty_ of space |
| [19:00:55] | Yahooadam: | hopefully it will work well for my parents |
| [19:01:22] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: i remember here the quality was slightly better than directv |
| [19:01:30] | CCFL_Man2: | ]on HBO |
| [19:01:40] | |Torg|: | CCFL_Man2: if an ird does both ATSC and QAM it has two modulators. They are not the same |
| [19:01:49] | CCFL_Man2: | but it might depend on the area |
| [19:01:51] | Dagmar: | They pretty much repeat the signal they get on the "large" channels, verbaitm |
| [19:01:57] | Dagmar: | bleh verbatim |
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| [19:02:34] | |Torg|: | and not all 1080I is the same, it would be better if we called it 1080I@60hz and so on |
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| [19:02:59] | |Torg|: | I dont know what digital cable does, I do not have it. But I do know what the bandwith of ATSC brodcast is, as I do recive it |
| [19:03:32] | CCFL_Man2: | |Torg|: qam modulators have transport stream input, such as dvb-asi, an atsc ird with asi output outputs the raw transport stream, so it's source modulation doesn't apply |
| [19:04:14] | CCFL_Man2: | atsc ird demodulates the transport stream and outputs it via asi |
| [19:04:31] | ** Dagmar watches everything flying overhead ** | |
| [19:04:44] | CCFL_Man2: | so when it's qam modulated, it's an atsc transport stream, but qam modulated instead if 8vsb modulated |
| [19:05:02] | Dagmar: | Okay that made it make sense for me |
| [19:05:02] | Dagmar: | Heh |
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| [19:05:29] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: i thought you understood that even before my explaining |
| [19:05:51] | Dagmar: | I knew _about_ it, but the alphabet soup in the middle there lost me |
| [19:05:58] | |Torg|: | actually when I have seen TS from qm cards it is NOT the same as ATSC ts, it only has a limited number of teh pids and is mising things like EIT |
| [19:06:18] | Dagmar: | I understand the various methods for broadcasting a signal in a rather alien sort of "seen too many pieces of equipment" kind of way |
| [19:06:22] | CCFL_Man2: | |Torg|: broadcast channels? |
| [19:06:25] | |Torg|: | it also does nt have the same pids, as an atsc stream commonly has more then 1 audi and one video, most I have are at least 3, some 5 |
| [19:06:33] | |Torg|: | brdcast channels, yes |
| [19:06:34] | Dagmar: | I generally have no clue what any given one is using until I'm looking _at_ it |
| [19:06:51] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: ahh |
| [19:06:56] | |Torg|: | would you like me to dump dvbtraffic for you to show you? |
| [19:07:00] | Dagmar: | CCFL_Man2: I had to definitely learn this stuff working for that dialup ISP |
| [19:07:28] | Dagmar: | You didn't get a choice then if you wanted to run a DSL line. You *had* to know about this stuff or your s**t didn't connect. |
| [19:07:32] | CCFL_Man2: | |Torg|: they must pull out the seperate streams out of the transport stream and remultiplex them |
| [19:07:56] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: i know, adsl especially |
| [19:08:04] | |Torg|: | CCFL_Man2: yes, they actualy demux then, then remux them often playing with bitrates |
| [19:08:07] | Dagmar: | I'm talking early 90's stuff. |
| [19:08:13] | Dagmar: | *NOW* it's bloody easy |
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| [19:08:31] | Dagmar: | *Then* you had a unit that would today, be able to talk to just about anyone's line |
| [19:08:44] | Dagmar: | ...and _no_ instructions as to what specifically it should be listening for or trying to speak |
| [19:09:03] | CCFL_Man2: | |Torg|: yeah, though on most better cable systems, they only transmodulate, crappy cable systems like cumschat, they remultiplex |
| [19:09:05] | Dagmar: | ...and you would do better to consult a fortune cookie at a Chinese restaurant than call BellSouth to ask, most days. |
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| [19:09:24] | Dagmar: | I <3 T-bird |
| [19:09:25] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: lol |
| [19:09:43] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: sounds like how verizon is now |
| [19:10:03] | directhex: | tee hee, jack thompson smacked down by florida courts |
| [19:10:08] | Dagmar: | REALLY? |
| [19:10:12] | Dagmar: | HELL yes! |
| [19:10:24] | Dagmar: | Gabe and Tycho are probably holding a party right now |
| [19:10:39] | Dagmar: | er Jerry and (can't remember) I mean |
| [19:10:52] | Dagmar: | Don't tease me |
| [19:11:18] | Dagmar: | Are you talking about the *actual verdict* has finally arrived, or just the fact that he's being hauled up as a pernicious litigator finally? |
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| [19:12:02] | Dagmar: | I would *love* to see that blight of a man disbarred |
| [19:13:20] | directhex: | the disbarrment proceedings carry on at a glacial pace |
| [19:13:25] | Dagmar: | Damn you |
| [19:13:30] | directhex: | this is the courts objecting to him filing gay porn as evidence |
| [19:13:30] | Dagmar: | You got me all excited there |
| [19:13:44] | Dagmar: | Oh yes, I read about what he submitted |
| [19:13:46] | directhex: | he is now forbidden from filing any paperowrk in the state of florida unless co-signed by another less mad lawyer |
| [19:13:51] | Dagmar: | He went "all out" in trying the court's patience |
| [19:14:00] | Dagmar: | Are you _sure_ |
| [19:14:02] | directhex: | yes |
| [19:14:20] | Dagmar: | I've been waiting to hear about the judgement on that |
| [19:14:31] | directhex: | http://gamepolitics.com/2008/03/20/breaking-f . . . ck-thompson/ |
| [19:14:43] | directhex: | full paperwork is at http://www.gamepolitics.com/images/legal/JT-FLSC-nomas.pdf |
| [19:15:14] | Dagmar: | Oh HELL yes |
| [19:15:15] | Dagmar: | That's the thing |
| [19:16:21] | |Torg|: | what I find funny is I never would have purcased GTA if he haded thought it so bad |
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| [20:52:30] | iamlindoro_: | <Insert quote to break up library atmosphere> |
| [20:52:39] | Hoxzer: | What would be ideal software for testing wether or Not EIT EPG works ? I'm trying to find out why doesn't mythtv get it |
| [20:52:56] | directhex: | *cough* |
| [20:53:02] | iamlindoro_: | tail -f /var/log/mythbackend.log? |
| [20:53:24] | iamlindoro_: | and a beer to keep you company until you find out? |
| [20:53:46] | Hoxzer: | I already checked the log I doesn't have anything related |
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| [20:54:09] | Hoxzer: | I'm going to sleep soon. I think I fix that after a week, before that I will use xmltv |
| [20:54:18] | iamlindoro_: | If you looked at a long swath and there's no EIT info in the backend log, then NO, it isn't working :) |
| [20:55:25] | Hoxzer: | I already know that External Digital Receiver gets it. So the problem should be with the box' |
| [20:55:26] | Vaelys: | +5 |
| [20:55:28] | Vaelys: | 0 |
| [20:55:31] | Vaelys: | argh |
| [20:56:28] | iamlindoro_: | Hoxzer, That said, there should be *some* indication in the backend log if it's even *trying* |
| [20:56:55] | iamlindoro_: | And if there's none of that then my first guess would be misconfiguration rather than malfunction |
| [20:58:34] | Hoxzer: | iamlindoro_: it just stopped working a few days go. I didn't configure anything |
| [20:59:34] | iamlindoro_: | I think I can count on one hand the number of times people say they didn't change anything and they actually didn't :) |
| [20:59:41] | Hoxzer: | Wait a sec... |
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| [21:00:25] | Hoxzer: | iamlindoro_: I did update mythtv :P |
| [21:00:32] | iamlindoro_: | ding ding ding!! |
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| [21:01:20] | Hoxzer: | iamlindoro_: It was from 0.21-fixes to newer one from svn. Dont think it happened when I did multirec -> 0.21-fixes. |
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| [21:02:25] | Hoxzer: | Hmm, I rescanned the channels. Seems like at least one channel got program guide |
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| [21:03:36] | Hoxzer: | Well, I get to it after a week -> |
| [21:03:38] | Hoxzer: | Now sleep for me |
| [21:03:41] | zabadapp: | where is the "max recordings" (multirec) stored in the db ... i figured I could just edit it there rather than removing all cards and adding them again in mythsetup |
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| [21:05:34] | th1: | hi, I've got 2 DVB tuners in my backend server, but when I'm watching TV I still get the "MythTV wants to record XXXXX, what do you want to do?" message even if the other tuner is idle.. how can I get rid of that? |
| [21:05:46] | iamlindoro_: | zabadapp, It's not like that, the max recordings creates whole new "tuners" in the capturecard table |
| [21:06:25] | iamlindoro_: | th1, There is a checkbox in either playback or general settings for TV that allows Myth to choose the tuner least likely to interfere w/ recordings |
| [21:06:51] | th1: | iamlindoro, but shouldn't the backend just use a different tuner when they have the same priority? |
| [21:07:04] | iamlindoro_: | th1, once you've get that tickbox, it will. |
| [21:07:29] | iamlindoro_: | th1, It will *not* dynamically move recordings to other tuners as yet, though |
| [21:07:34] | th1: | ok, but I haven't seen that checkbox anywhere even though I must have been through the settings wizard 100 times ;) do you know exactly wat it's called? |
| [21:07:45] | th1: | iamlindoro, ok. but that would surely be a nice feature ;) |
| [21:07:46] | iamlindoro_: | What settings wizard? When did myth get one of those? |
| [21:08:00] | iamlindoro_: | Tv Settings, either Playback or General, as I've said |
| [21:08:04] | th1: | iamlindoro, well the "Tv Settings" multiple pages |
| [21:08:24] | iamlindoro_: | And it's a checkbox, so that'll narrow it further |
| [21:08:37] | th1: | iamlindoro, ok I'll look for it :) |
| [21:08:58] | th1: | it would sure be nice if it could just dynamically choose another tuner in that case though |
| [21:09:11] | iamlindoro_: | I'm sure your patch will be eagerly awaited ;) |
| [21:09:16] | th1: | hehe ;) |
| [21:09:23] | th1: | my first patch will be to add Reminder to the EPGuide |
| [21:09:35] | th1: | because wife misses that most from the TV built in tuner ;) |
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| [21:09:52] | th1: | also I'm sure it'll be a lot easier to do than the dynamic reschedule thing |
| [21:10:19] | zabadapp: | iamlindoro_: ok, then i have to face the potential nightmare of rescanning the channels and so on ... |
| [21:10:28] | iamlindoro_: | zabadapp, No you don't, not in the least |
| [21:10:47] | iamlindoro_: | zabadapp, Channel scans are associated with listings sources/lineups, not capture cards |
| [21:11:04] | iamlindoro_: | you can delete every card and recreate them without losing any of your recording rules, channel lists, etc. |
| [21:11:38] | zabadapp: | iamlindoro_: when you mention it, it makes sense ... thanks! |
| [21:11:54] | iamlindoro_: | zabadapp, yup. ;) Just don't delete the listings sources and you will be golden |
| [21:12:03] | th1: | iamlindoro, on another note.. if I was to change that tuner thing .. would it be a good idea to do something like "tuner groups" like the "recording groups" in 0.21? |
| [21:12:18] | iamlindoro_: | th1, Already exists, Input groups |
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| [21:13:03] | th1: | yes but I was more thinking a secondary level under that where "identical" cards could be grouped.. so it knows it doesn't matter which one is used and can just use any of them when it records.. |
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| [21:13:31] | iamlindoro_: | th1, Ah, I see what you are saying-- I wouldn't go reinventing the wheel, I'm fairly certain it's all in the cards already |
| [21:13:31] | th1: | anyway I guess I need to read a lot of code to get there.. |
| [21:14:12] | th1: | iamlindoro_, I'll try looking at it.. it would sure be nice because it would also get rid of those "alleged" conflicts if there was a sort of "resource count" on an input group |
| [21:14:15] | |Torg|: | scanning will core dump mythtv-setup there is a ticket on it already |
| [21:14:41] | Hoxzer: | Ok, rescan fixed it |
| [21:22:35] | th1: | that flash streaming thing sure is cool :) |
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| [21:22:47] | th1: | lucky I have a 4 core opteron server as backend though |
| [21:23:27] | iamlindoro_: | th1, doesn't take much oomph to transcode to 320x240 @ 256k :) |
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| [21:23:44] | th1: | iamlindoro_ nah, but I increased it a little ;) |
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| [21:29:53] | th1: | iamlindoro_, do you know by any chance if 32-bit frontend and 64-bit backends can interoperate without problems? I did ask earlier but nobody seemed to have tried it, and I'd like to be sure before I reinstall my server with 64-bit.. |
| [21:30:03] | directhex: | th1, yes |
| [21:30:07] | iamlindoro_: | th1, without issue, yes |
| [21:30:08] | th1: | excellent |
| [21:30:12] | psm321_: | i hope so |
| [21:30:21] | th1: | thanks |
| [21:30:45] | psm321_: | i hadnt even thought of that :) (i'm in the process of moving from 1 box to 2) |
| [21:30:45] | iamlindoro_: | np |
| [21:30:53] | zabadapp: | There was a display aspect mode called "fill" in 0.20. It would always crop/zoom the show to fill the screen automatically (if it was 4:3 with letter box, or 4:3 full with black bars on the sides, it would autofit into the 16:9 tv)... is it gone now? :( |
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| [21:33:34] | psm321_: | how difficult is it to have mysql put a read-cache of the entire database in ram? (thinking of getting a bunch of ram for my new box for this purpose, because my mysql accesses are always slow) |
| [21:36:39] | |Torg|: | how much memory can you put into the box? |
| [21:36:41] | th1: | psm321, it's easy to "effectively" get what you are after by tuning the my.cnf values to use more ram |
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| [21:37:34] | psm321_: | |Torg|: not sure, was thinking i'd put 8GB |
| [21:37:41] | th1: | just set the cache limits to something like 1024MB where they are 1 now etc.. |
| [21:37:45] | |Torg|: | mythconverg can easily get intot hundresed of gigbytes, I doubt you have that much. What you proobly want to do is turn up the temp space and increase the buffer cache |
| [21:38:03] | GreyFoxx: | hundreds of megs, notgigs :) |
| [21:38:12] | directhex: | yeah, was worried for a sec O_o |
| [21:38:18] | directhex: | i blame recordedseek |
| [21:38:27] | |Torg|: | oops sorry yes, mine ia 250M now, |
| [21:38:33] | th1: | psm321 if you set the cache sizes to some 100 times the defaults it'll be fine in an 8GB box |
| [21:38:36] | psm321_: | well i probably need say 2GB for normal use |
| [21:38:46] | psm321_: | that leaves ~4–5+ GB for db |
| [21:39:08] | psm321_: | and i'm pretty sure my db isnt much bigger than that |
| [21:39:24] | iamlindoro_: | If youre Mythconverg *ever* gets even *close* to that, seek help immediately |
| [21:39:25] | psm321_: | yeah my db is 1.7 GB on disk |
| [21:39:37] | iamlindoro_: | That better not be just mythconverg |
| [21:39:40] | directhex: | eek! |
| [21:39:43] | psm321_: | just mythconverg |
| [21:39:44] | GreyFoxx: | psm321: wtf,that's kinda crazy |
| [21:39:52] | psm321_: | i have 15000 recordings |
| [21:39:55] | iamlindoro_: | Your DB is BROEKEDEDED |
| [21:39:57] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [21:39:58] | zabadapp: | only full/half/stretch/off ... fill, we gonna miss you :[ |
| [21:40:10] | iamlindoro_: | *fuck*, go outside! |
| [21:40:12] | GreyFoxx: | zabadapp: How do you mean? |
| [21:40:14] | directhex: | get me 10cc of repair, stat! |
| [21:40:36] | psm321_: | i dont think its borked... i've done restores from dumps |
| [21:40:43] | psm321_: | and its around that size |
| [21:40:46] | bobgill_: | If I capture from cable TV using pvr-150, will it capture 4:3, or can I set it to 16:9? |
| [21:41:05] | th1: | psm321_ have you tried running mysqlrepair -o mythconverg? |
| [21:41:05] | psm321_: | of course ~1.5GB of that is recordedseek |
| [21:41:09] | directhex: | bobgill_, it'll capture at the res your card is set to |
| [21:41:15] | directhex: | bobgill_, which is probably 3:2 |
| [21:41:18] | psm321_: | th1: i have at various times, yes |
| [21:41:24] | th1: | psm321 ok.. |
| [21:41:40] | psm321_: | 15000 recordings = huge recordedseek |
| [21:41:41] | |Torg|: | 241484 mythconverg, I have 98 programs recorded, and about 200 or so channels with assocaited listings, actors, etc |
| [21:41:45] | GreyFoxx: | psm321: why would you have 15k recordings ? Im curious :) |
| [21:41:52] | iamlindoro_: | ^^^ What he said |
| [21:42:06] | psm321_: | actually not all the recordings are even in recordedseek (accidentally deleted that table a while ago and had to restore from backup) |
| [21:42:09] | psm321_: | i'm a packrat |
| [21:42:23] | bobgill_: | directhex: is there a card that captures in widescreen ? |
| [21:42:25] | psm321_: | plus its fun to stress mythtv in interesting ways :) |
| [21:42:28] | th1: | psm321_ how many terabytes is that ;) |
| [21:42:35] | psm321_: | th1: i dont know |
| [21:42:43] | psm321_: | most of it is burned off to dvds |
| [21:42:55] | psm321_: | i've got around 1.2 tb of disk space |
| [21:42:58] | GreyFoxx: | then why is the info in your database ifyou have removed them? |
| [21:43:00] | directhex: | bobgill_, i'm not sure you understand what signals you're receiving |
| [21:43:18] | |Torg|: | bobgill_: there is no card that captures in widescreen, they capture in TS or mpeg. do you mean what cards capture digital streams becae some of those *can* be in widescreen |
| [21:43:19] | zabadapp: | GreyFoxx: I used to do nothing to get shows cropped/zoomed to my 16:9 screen automatically .. it was an aspect setting called fill .. i only sometimes had to scroll the picture up on step to get subtitles free from the lower edge .. it would always "fill" the screen and leave no black bars up/down or left/right .. and the image never appeared squashed to me |
| [21:43:28] | psm321_: | GreyFoxx: i like to keep said data (program info, etc)... theyre on dvd in myth format, not dvd video |
| [21:43:43] | psm321_: | GreyFoxx: basically i just use dvds as an extension of my harddrive |
| [21:43:43] | bobgill_: | ah so it is dependant on my source |
| [21:43:52] | bobgill_: | because I only have cable tv, analog |
| [21:44:02] | GreyFoxx: | psm321: mytharchive will spitout an xm,l file containing the data soyou doin't have to keepitin the database |
| [21:44:09] | psm321_: | GreyFoxx: though i suppose i really should wipe those recordings out of recordedseek |
| [21:44:22] | psm321_: | GreyFoxx: but then i dont know what i have available to watch |
| [21:44:36] | |Torg|: | youc an put widescreen, even HD over analog, I dont know of any brodcast source that does however |
| [21:44:39] | psm321_: | GreyFoxx: this way i have all my listings like normal and just insert the dvd i need |
| [21:44:50] | GreyFoxx: | psm321: Actually I intend onadding"offline" videosto mythvideo |
| [21:45:05] | psm321_: | but yeah i really should just wipe recordedseek and rebuild when mounting a dvd |
| [21:45:32] | psm321_: | GreyFoxx: i have been told many times to switch to mythvideo but i'm reluctant to because i like having everything in the tv dvr type format |
| [21:45:42] | th1: | bobgill_, I think a standard hauppauge card will capture in widescreen from analog signal if it's transmitted in PALplus |
| [21:45:52] | psm321_: | GreyFoxx: and it does work most of the time |
| [21:48:06] | bobgill_: | th1: that is a setting in mythtv? |
| [21:48:13] | th1: | no |
| [21:48:23] | th1: | it should detect it automatically from the signal |
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| [21:49:59] | bobgill_: | ok |
| [21:50:00] | bobgill_: | thx |
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| [21:54:13] | joobie: | guys i did a yum update last night and now my myth is broke.. the backend is running.. but when i go to start the frontend i get: 'Xlib: extenion "XVideo-MotionCompensation" missing on display ":0.0". .. "XvMCWrapper: Could not open config file"/et/X11/XvMCConfig".. "XvMCWrapper: No such file or directory" .. "VideoOutputXv: Desired video renderer 'xvmc-blit' not available. codec 'MPEG2' makes 'opengl,xv-blit,xshm,xlib,' available, using 'opengl' instea |
| [21:54:13] | joobie: | d" |
| [21:54:21] | joobie: | any idea what's going on... how to fix? |
| [21:57:06] | directhex: | joobie, what graphics driver are you using? |
| [21:57:14] | Frosty-: | /et or /etc? :o |
| [22:04:47] | joobie: | sry |
| [22:04:50] | joobie: | i sorta figured it out |
| [22:04:53] | joobie: | it's the decoder i was using |
| [22:04:58] | joobie: | it wasnt supported |
| [22:05:05] | joobie: | but err.. which decoder is the best? |
| [22:05:19] | joobie: | im going through heaps with different video renderers... all so far seem a bit jerky |
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| [22:07:03] | th1: | iamlindoro :) It was in fact there in 0.21 that option I was looking for! In TV settings->General, just under the option you said "Avoid conflicts", is one: "Allow live TV to move scheduled shows", "If enabled, scheduled recordings will be moved to other cards (where possible) to avoid interrupting live TV" |
| [22:08:51] | directhex: | joobie, if it works for you, gl is nicest |
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| [22:12:26] | joobie: | directhex ill try it but i dont have a gl video card.. i think it will be done software level |
| [22:12:35] | directhex: | then don't use gl |
| [22:12:44] | joobie: | ahh k |
| [22:12:49] | directhex: | that's what "if it works for you" means. real computer, give gl a shot. if not, don't |
| [22:12:55] | joobie: | see that one i had on before, before updating myth it worked okish |
| [22:13:30] | joobie: | slight jerk on any scrolling.. but most guys in the chan think that was due to the MHz, as i cant drop down to 50Hz over VGA |
| [22:13:48] | joobie: | any other options direct?:P |
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| [22:15:11] | joobie: | hmm mac hardware renderer looks okish |
| [22:15:20] | directhex: | you're on a mac? |
| [22:15:20] | joobie: | this is a macmini btw |
| [22:15:23] | joobie: | ya |
| [22:15:25] | directhex: | running macos? |
| [22:15:30] | joobie: | running centos |
| [22:15:49] | joobie: | there's just a blue line at the top of the screen |
| [22:15:52] | joobie: | like a constant blue line |
| [22:15:53] | directhex: | then the mac hardware renderer isn't being used. it's falling back to something else |
| [22:15:58] | directhex: | a blue line sounds like xv |
| [22:16:05] | joobie: | ahh |
| [22:16:07] | joobie: | i see |
| [22:16:49] | joobie: | what's the next best option? |
| [22:17:00] | directhex: | you haven't revealed what the hadware is |
| [22:17:15] | directhex: | generally, the best is gl, followed by xv, then xvmc, then whatever's left |
| [22:17:18] | joobie: | it's the macmini.. sec ill try find out what video card |
| [22:17:33] | directhex: | there are at least three major generations of mac mini |
| [22:18:23] | iamlindoro__: | This gen = Intel Graphics, Last Gen = Intel Graphics, Last Last gen = ATI graphics |
| [22:18:51] | iamlindoro__: | 2/3 will work great with GL graphics... one will work like shit no matter what |
| [22:18:59] | joobie: | agpgart: Detected an Intel 945GM Chipset. |
| [22:19:00] | joobie: | that is in dmesg |
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| [22:19:12] | joobie: | agpgart: Detected 16124K stolen memory.agpgart: AGP aperture is 256M @ 0x80000000 |
| [22:19:26] | directhex: | so that would be gma900 then |
| [22:19:32] | directhex: | which has opengl support |
| [22:19:36] | joobie: | ur a gun directhex :) |
| [22:19:49] | joobie: | u should be working at my work |
| [22:19:51] | joobie: | :P |
| [22:20:24] | joobie: | so is that "Standard" for decoder and "opengl" for Video REnderer? |
| [22:20:54] | th1: | I dunno, I bought a Geforce 7200 for 25 quid, which is perfect to drive my 46" 1080p LCD tv with DVI->HDMI cable |
| [22:20:58] | directhex: | yes. you might want to actually check on your system, of course |
| [22:21:06] | directhex: | an "xvinfo" or "glxinfo" wouldn't go amiss |
| [22:21:20] | joobie: | k |
| [22:21:27] | joobie: | i set it to opengl, it has that blue line.. |
| [22:21:41] | iamlindoro__: | th1: huh? |
| [22:21:46] | th1: | lol |
| [22:21:52] | th1: | wrong window ;) |
| [22:22:04] | directhex: | joobie, and according to your frontend log, it's definitely using the gl renderer? |
| [22:22:08] | iamlindoro__: | ah, ok |
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| [22:23:11] | psm321_: | whats the point of recordedseek anyway btw? (just wondering... seems to me it would be much better to put that info in the file) |
| [22:23:38] | directhex: | psm321_, contains the index for ff/rw on a given video |
| [22:23:44] | clever: | some file formats may not support index |
| [22:23:52] | joobie: | directhex, i did a pastebin of xvinfo and glxinfo – http://www.pastebin.ca/950915 |
| [22:23:54] | psm321_: | directhex: yeah i know that |
| [22:23:57] | clever: | mplayer would just up and crash if i tried to seek my nuv files |
| [22:23:58] | psm321_: | clever: hmm ok |
| [22:24:04] | psm321_: | and iirc from when i lost my recordedseek, it takes maybe 1–2 sec to generate for any 1 file... why not just do it at play time? |
| [22:24:08] | clever: | mythtv probly had to use the mysql table |
| [22:24:11] | directhex: | psm321_, the ephemeral formats used by recordings don't have index data per se, since their contents aren't known until recordin ends |
| [22:24:23] | th1: | psm321 you can always create a cron job to clear out your recordedseek table once in a while |
| [22:24:33] | psm321_: | yeah i think i'm going to do that |
| [22:24:41] | clever: | i think mythtranscode also cleaned it out |
| [22:24:52] | clever: | when i rebuilt the file it moved the seektable to the file itself |
| [22:24:58] | psm321_: | well myth already automatically rebuild a missing seek or do i have to do that manually? |
| [22:25:03] | psm321_: | *will |
| [22:25:06] | directhex: | manually |
| [22:25:13] | directhex: | you can do it with mythcomflag |
| [22:25:17] | psm321_: | yeah |
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| [22:25:58] | joobie: | directhex, ill paste you the frontend log.. there's an interesting entry in there about libGL .. it might be more clear for you |
| [22:26:04] | psm321_: | i thought i'd played things that i know had seek info deleted successfully w/o rebuilding but perhaps i'm misremembering |
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| [22:27:32] | joobie: | directhex, http://www.pastebin.ca/950918 |
| [22:27:37] | sentinel23: | anyone know if the liquidtv theme still exists? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Theme_liquidtv.png |
| [22:27:52] | joobie: | directhex, that is a log of when i start myth.. go into setup and confirm opengl is enabled.. then select 'watch tv' |
| [22:28:02] | iamlindoro__: | sentinel23: No. |
| [22:28:05] | sentinel23: | boo |
| [22:28:13] | iamlindoro__: | Been MIA for a loooooong as I recall |
| [22:28:17] | iamlindoro__: | and ooogly anyway |
| [22:28:27] | sentinel23: | haha k |
| [22:29:22] | sentinel23: | on that note, what tells myth if a theme is compatible with the current version or not? (it does that, right?) |
| [22:29:50] | sentinel23: | i have some installed that aren't available to be used |
| [22:30:03] | iamlindoro__: | Not really, the themes are just made differently between versions in various ways, so they will either work, sorta work but not really, or not really work at all |
| [22:30:42] | |Torg|: | noting stops you from using a theme other then premissions, like iamlindoro said sometime if they are old they look strange but nothing will stop you from selecting them |
| [22:31:11] | |Torg|: | up until about 3 months ago I was usigna version of blootube that was well over a year aold, and I have updated myth mutiple times, often weekly |
| [22:31:20] | sentinel23: | oh, ok. maybe it's just a user (me) config error which is causing them not to show up in the FE |
| [22:31:25] | sentinel23: | i'll play with it later |
| [22:31:38] | sentinel23: | thx guys! |
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| [22:31:57] | joobie: | directhex, still around ? |
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| [22:49:01] | joobie: | guys anyway to get rid of the blue line at the top of the screen ? |
| [22:49:04] | joobie: | like a 1px blue line |
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| [22:54:00] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/NVidiaPr . . . ding_picture |
| [22:58:53] | joobie: | thanks iamlindoro |
| [22:58:58] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [23:01:11] | joobie: | hmm |
| [23:01:17] | joobie: | xvattr doesn't exist as a binary |
| [23:01:32] | joobie: | is this apart of some other package? |
| [23:01:35] | joobie: | im on centos |
| [23:02:21] | |Torg|: | yes its usualy a package but I dont know about centos |
| [23:02:50] | iamlindoro: | likewise, no idea of "Can'tOS" but on debian it's in package xvattr |
| [23:03:19] | |Torg|: | its RH based so I gouess you can use yum to find it |
| [23:03:28] | |Torg|: | or so claims google |
| [23:04:11] | joobie: | cheers |
| [23:04:13] | joobie: | ill check it out |
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| [23:07:38] | joobie: | FYI guys – the package is called xvattr under centos |
| [23:07:43] | joobie: | thanks :) |
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| [23:12:48] | dserban: | what's the released buidl number for .21? I was looking at the changelog and it says it only covers to some number... wondering how out of date the changelog is? |
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| [23:14:06] | GreyFoxx: | If you are looking to do an install you should just grab the latest 0.21-fixes as it includes some important bugfixes since the release |
| [23:17:52] | dserban: | well i use debian-multimedia.org for my updates. Don't know if it's got the fixes yet. I'm afraid of upgrading right now, getting the system to fully work the way I've wanted to took so long that I'm afraid now ;) |
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| [23:20:52] | th1: | dserban, .21 has a few issues but it's also got a lot of nice new features.. you can always backup your database first then you can easily downgrade again |
| [23:21:58] | directhex: | debian-multimedia is *not* 0.21-fixes |
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| [23:22:14] | th1: | where's a list of the fixes? |
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| [23:27:22] | dserban: | Hmm looking on the site, I can't even find 0.21-fixes... |
| [23:27:40] | th1: | it's probably just a svn branch |
| [23:27:42] | GreyFoxx: | It's nota release |
| [23:27:47] | GreyFoxx: | It's ansvn branch |
| [23:28:14] | th1: | GreyFoxx, is there a list of the most important fixes? |
| [23:28:36] | GreyFoxx: | just the branch commit hiustory |
| [23:29:00] | directhex: | dvd playback not being busted |
| [23:29:14] | th1: | directhex, you mean the menus? |
| [23:29:15] | directhex: | upnp serving to a ps3 working |
| [23:29:23] | GreyFoxx: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/relea . . . fixes/mythtv |
| [23:29:24] | directhex: | those are relatively important features for me |
| [23:30:23] | GreyFoxx: | can't remember exactly what rev was the releawse,but it's less than 10 daysold |
| [23:30:24] | th1: | I managed to watch a couple of dvd images after upgrading, the only thing I noticed was that the menus on some of them didn't show the "cursor".. |
| [23:35:19] | th1: | wow GreyFoxx thats a lot of fixes ;) |
| [23:36:03] | GreyFoxx: | the release is lessthan 10 days so just the last few are sincethen |
| [23:36:27] | th1: | ah |
| [23:36:51] | th1: | more like 11 days? |
| [23:37:22] | th1: | I think the dvd menu problem might be the one I had |
| [23:37:35] | th1: | or maybe the fix caused it ;) |
| [23:38:03] | GreyFoxx: | I thought it wasless than 10, but I don't remember specifically norcare tolook at mythtv.org for the date :) |
| [23:38:07] | GreyFoxx: | but it's about then |
| [23:39:17] | th1: | nah there's a changeset that changed the version number 9 days ago |
| [23:40:17] | th1: | so no really important fixes then if you go by that one.. unless you need the PS3 upnp stuff |
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| [23:43:51] | iamlindoro: | th1: .21-fixes *is* necessary if you intend to watch DVDs at all, it is not just a menu fix |
| [23:44:22] | th1: | iamlindoro, which fix is that on GreyFoxx's change list? |
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| [23:44:38] | th1: | because it works for me unless it's a problem only with physical dvd's |
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| [23:45:01] | iamlindoro: | th1: Not every fix is on the changelog, it's only a summary. If you want to see, look at the revision log in SVN |
| [23:45:09] | black_Nightmare_: | hey |
| [23:45:19] | th1: | iamlindoro but this is not a changelog its a list of commits on the branch and ther'es only 5 or so |
| [23:46:30] | iamlindoro: | That is the revision log in SVN then. And what is your problem with believing this? If you would like proof, I'm more than happy to dig up the channel logs that led to the fix |
| [23:47:12] | th1: | iamlindoro, I just look at the log here: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/relea . . . fixes/mythtv and it doesn't have any fixes related to DVD's after hte release? |
| [23:47:14] | iamlindoro: | .21 was March 8, anything in the last 12 days to fixes (far more than 5 commits) is -fixes |
| [23:47:52] | GreyFoxx: | th__: Ithink it's 16483 |
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| [23:48:03] | th1: | ok |
| [23:48:25] | th1: | is ubuntu-backports 0.21 with that fix then? because dvd worked for me |
| [23:48:29] | th1: | except that menu problem I said |
| [23:48:46] | GreyFoxx: | no idea, I don't do packages |
| [23:48:48] | iamlindoro: | th1: The issue was causing segfaults, so I assure you it was not just a missing icon |
| [23:48:55] | GreyFoxx: | and the problemdidn't affect everyone all the time |
| [23:49:01] | th1: | iamlindoro ok I believe you ;) maybe I just got lucky |
| [23:49:09] | GreyFoxx: | some like me hit it everytime, othgers were lucky and never hit it |
| [23:49:19] | th1: | that's probably what it is then |
| [23:49:34] | th1: | I'll probably hit the problem next time I have a movie night or something ;) |
| [23:49:35] | GreyFoxx: | it affected all my frontends |
| [23:49:47] | GreyFoxx: | that's exactly when it affected me :) |
| [23:50:10] | th1: | haha :) |
| [23:50:27] | th1: | you think it was related to specific DVD's or the frontends? |
| [23:50:39] | GreyFoxx: | Video menu allocation related |
| [23:50:46] | GreyFoxx: | and was triggered in dvd playback onmly |
| [23:50:47] | th1: | ok |
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| [23:51:05] | th1: | after I reinstall my backend server with 64 bit I'll build it from source.. |
| [23:51:30] | th1: | it's just a hassle when you have both 32- and 64 bit systems to build for.. |
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