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Monday, March 17th, 2008, 00:05 UTC

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GreyFoxx:

jams hehe even easier than I expected

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jams:

yeah i felt silly making a ticket for it

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GreyFoxx:

hehehe

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GreyFoxx:

It's all good :)

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neb_:

hello

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jams:

hi

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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cesman:

hey

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black_Nightmare_:

just had to ask out of curiousity but did tv tuner cards always use external cable for audio-in or did some have internal headers to use instead?

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black_Nightmare_:

its just for re stuffing audio via the audigy card's feature_aux i/o instead (probably save me one less fat cable to deal with outside the case too)

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kormoc:

black_Nightmare_, if you get a pvr 150 or the like, it's entirely handled on the card, no extra wires at all

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GreyFoxx:

jams: committed :)

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PatrickDK:

black_Nightmare_, some can do internal, most do external, if it's a descent card, it handles audio itself

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black_Nightmare_:

kormoc...meh the reason I asked was re video being svideo which can go straight to the tv card but seperate audio being digital and so having to end up at the audigy instead (unless there's somehow a card that can handle analog+digital at once but heh I dunno)

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black_Nightmare_:

then again if not I always could ask friend if he's got a receiver to convert the audio instead

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black_Nightmare_:

(I dunno why he's having analog video but digital audio in some of his collection but what do I know)

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PatrickDK:

just get a crappy video recorder that requires a soundcard

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PatrickDK:

and just pipe the sound directly to the soundcard :)

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black_Nightmare_:

hm yeah...thanks anyhow

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black_Nightmare_:

one quick question if noone minds, did BtV only do tv chips or did they ever make gpus too?

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black_Nightmare_:

this is why I'm wondering – seem like either an odd card or somehow that blue connector isn't vga even although it looks like it: http://www.kaboominc.com/ebay/gw_stb_destinat . . . i011abww.jpg

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black_Nightmare_:

must be old I'm sure heh...long length

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kormoc:

brooktree made a line of btv video adapters, yes

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black_Nightmare_:

ah ok ty

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black_Nightmare_:

patrickdk btw you ever dealt with any audigy cards before or nah?

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PatrickDK:

just 4 or so

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black_Nightmare_:

ah ok

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PatrickDK:

strange, I'm getting bad ghosting on this channel

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PatrickDK:

but I haven't noticed it at all on other channels

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black_Nightmare_:

have an audigy2zs here .. just still looking for the front bay thing to use with it — or if that doesn't look easy I might just in a few days find some good wires and donated cables/connectors and start utilizing the front_aux header my own way ^-^

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black_Nightmare_:

hmm interesting question...

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black_Nightmare_:

is it a matter of tv tuner chip or just tv software limit on how fast you can flip through channels?

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PatrickDK:

both

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PatrickDK:

it takes a few seconds to change channels

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PatrickDK:

and your normally watching a few seconds behind real time

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PatrickDK:

so that makes fastest channel change time a few + few seconds

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black_Nightmare_:

hm thanks anyhow

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black_Nightmare_:

sometimes I keep wanting to find an identical old CC box (like the one I already got) and open it up to see what the circuit is like ...

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black_Nightmare_:

I never could understand why it seem to always function better than even newer tvs >_<

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kormoc:

black_Nightmare_, myth also has the delay of encoding, writing to a hard drive, reading from a hard drive, and decoding

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black_Nightmare_:

patrickdk..as to not confuse you the two major things are: CC shows up right away as soon ad the picture does (and changing volume doesn't make it disappear although I've noticed some current tvs finally behave the same tho, hmm dunno about any computer tv tuners tho?), the tuner sure can go flipping way fast at times

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black_Nightmare_:

ad=as*

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PatrickDK:

every tuner has the min speed it can lock onto the channel freq

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PatrickDK:

some are better than other

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PatrickDK:

it's a mix between software delay and hardware limits

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PatrickDK:

I can't speed for you, as I don't have what you have

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black_Nightmare_:

I've sometimes hated older tvs at times...someone changes volume = the CC disappears for like a good 30–50 seconds before one line finally shows up again

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black_Nightmare_:

at least its nice to see that some tvs now have cured this

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black_Nightmare_:

(remind me why I prefer to use this old CC box to tune channels alone for now...so I know the CC doesn't decide to disappear on me for no good reason)

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black_Nightmare_:

hope noone mind all my ranting ^-^

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davilla:

This is cool. Myth frontend and backend running on an AppleTV capturing from a HDHomeRun

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black_Nightmare_:

heh

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davilla:

mysql is being a pig but I think it's talking to my other mythbackend for the database

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PatrickDK:

mysql is hardly a pig

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black_Nightmare_:

well I'm going so bye anyhow ^-^

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davilla:

i'm seeing 35 percent of my 1GHz pentium-M going to mysql

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PatrickDK:

and the only thing it's doing is handling myth?

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davilla:

I'm actually quite suprised that it's working so well.

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davilla:

It's running a MythBuntu install. Top is mythfrontend at 60 percent

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PatrickDK:

I run mysql in production on 1.4ghz machines, I normally never find it's a cpu issue, unless your missing index's

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PatrickDK:

more than not, it's a disk too slow issue

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davilla:

Well could be, I'm running it from a USB harddrive — duh.

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PatrickDK:

maybe you need to configure it to use more ram?

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PatrickDK:

I dunno what the default is in mythbuntu

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davilla:

not a chance, ram is bga — no slots. I've got 256MB and that's it.

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PatrickDK:

well, that just sucks big time

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PatrickDK:

well, default on my mythbuntu (frontend) is 16megs

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davilla:

This pretty cool though, I beat Apple to an AppleTV-DRV.

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davilla:

16megs for what — ring buffer?

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PatrickDK:

no, mysql

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nutbar21:

how many clients?

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PatrickDK:

my myth currently would use 30megs of ram if I loaded it all into mysql

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davilla:

Hah, found it, it's doing some split functions between my existing backend/database.

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** kormoc blinks **

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PatrickDK:

split functions?

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kormoc:

PatrickDK, you realize that mysql can and will use more ram then just datasize if you give it to, right?

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PatrickDK:

heh? datasize?

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kormoc:

PatrickDK, what are you using to say, '30megs of ram if I loaded it all into mysql'

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PatrickDK:

you mean key_buffer size? and innodb_buffer_pool_size?

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davilla:

it's messing with my existing backend. Good thing I did a backup of the database before I started this.

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PatrickDK:

mysql ONLY loads index's into ram

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

not at all

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PatrickDK:

so if you index's are only 30megs, it will only ever use 30megs

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PatrickDK:

assuming your using myisam

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kormoc:

query cache is a big one

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kormoc:

I have well over 512 megs of just query cache

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PatrickDK:

people setting query cache too big is a big one :)

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kormoc:

not if you get a decent hit rate

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PatrickDK:

it can majorly slow down a system

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PatrickDK:

it's called pruning

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kormoc:

I get around 78% hit rate

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PatrickDK:

hits don't matter

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kormoc:

Sure it does

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PatrickDK:

it it takes forever to remove something

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PatrickDK:

it would be faster to just do it again, than cache it

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kormoc:

which is why you give it enough that it doesn't need to

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PatrickDK:

trust me, I have been an mysql admin for awhile now

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kormoc:

so my 22 second query that takes .02 seconds cached that runs every 5 minutes shouldn't be cached?

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kormoc:

now granted, it's a 220 meg result set, but it's not that atypical...

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PatrickDK:

nothing I admin creates a 220meg result

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PatrickDK:

and everything that took 22seconds to run, was some nightly maintence thing, or was broken

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kormoc:

the data sizes we deal with are a bit different then

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PatrickDK:

I didn't know myth put 220megs of data in the database

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PatrickDK:

and that is what we are talking about

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kormoc:

databases don't always just hold myth

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PatrickDK:

his does

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kormoc:

myth can put a lot of data in there

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PatrickDK:

yes, it can, but it doesn't put anything BIG in there

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kormoc:

my mythconverg is around 110 megs

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** kormoc shrugs **

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PatrickDK:

I think a 1meg result would be pretty rare for myth, except maybe if your asking for every commflag for a whole movie

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PatrickDK:

yes, but what record of that is 10megs? or larger? none

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kormoc:

actually, the program queries are a bit heavy

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kormoc:

some of those can hit over a meg

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kormoc:

commflags are really really light

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kormoc:

timestamps really

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PatrickDK:

dunno, I haven't seen anything heavy on mine

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PatrickDK:

in the last two years

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kormoc:

you should see some of the profiles on the folks with 12 sources, quite large

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PatrickDK:

ya, I'm not there yet, in a few months I will

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, anyone notice how Universal HD interlaces the last frame of the last commercial into the first frame of the show after a commercial break? Sheesh, Myth's commflagging does *not* like it

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kormoc:

PatrickDK, you see, the problem with query cache is it gets wiped on table updates, the problem isn't expiring things out of it, it's caching when the tables change often. This is why there's the SELECT SQL_NO_CACHE, so you can prevent those often chaning queries ever entering the cache and thus needing to be flushed often. Large caches are not necessarily bad when controlled correctly.

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PatrickDK:

yes

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PatrickDK:

but cache memory fragmentation can be horrid

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PatrickDK:

and large caches can make that happen quickly

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kormoc:

Not overly much anymore. MySQL rearranges the cache to prevent that from happening and if a result is to large to fit into a open page, it doesn't enter the cache anymore

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PatrickDK:

since when? cause I know my 5.0 systems have that issue

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kormoc:

they did a whole bunch of cache improvements in 5.2

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PatrickDK:

too beta to run on production

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kormoc:

depends on your needs

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kormoc:

for my home stuff, it works just dandy

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kormoc:

and given you felt my choices were bad without knowing my setup...

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PatrickDK:

well, cause I didn't even know 5.2 was out

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PatrickDK:

cause I only deal with production stuff

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kormoc:

well, to be fair, it's what's going to be 5.2, it's not 5.2 yet, assuming they don't just jump to 6

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PatrickDK:

ah, I was assuming they where going just to 6

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kormoc:

they're still debating another point release or not

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kormoc:

the new cache stuff and other smaller changes that help performance are great and not that 'dangerous'. and people don't want to jump to 6, so they're thinking of another point release to bridge the gap a little more

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PatrickDK:

heh, I am thinking just going from 5.0 to 5.1 will be enough

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PatrickDK:

add in some more to jump from 5.0 to 6.0 I don't think would be that big of a deal

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PatrickDK:

atleast not to me

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kormoc:

I'm super excited by the subquery stuff in 6, they sped it up a lot

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PatrickDK:

I haven't even put 5.1 on the development test bed yet, cause haven't had time to deal with the changes that need to be done to the app

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Sedorox:

this might be a bit OT.. but does anyone know of a good place to buy digital cable boxes from?

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kormoc:

your cable co

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Sedorox:

buy.. not rent

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PatrickDK:

you can, but it won't work with your cable company

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Sedorox:

I thought they had to allow non-rented boxes?

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iamlindoro__:

Nope

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Sedorox:

or does that only apply to boxes that use cable cards?

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kormoc:

I think the law is, they can rent you a box or sell you a box but they're not required to allow non-them boxes on the line

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kormoc:

that's only cable card, aye

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Sedorox:

ahh ok

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Sedorox:

so I must have misunderstood when I heard that

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Sedorox:

thanks

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squish102:

what does this mean?

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squish102:

ProcessPAT: Program not found in PAT. Rescan your transports.

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squish102:

my recording didnt record :(

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iamlindoro__:

It means your channel muxes have changed and you should rescan channels like it says

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squish102:

ok thanks iamlindoro__

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iamlindoro__:

np

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squish102:

i hate doing that because i have to manually put in all the xmltvid's afterwards :(

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squish102:

i think

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iamlindoro__:

you can set to "minimal updates"

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squish102:

ok

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: Turned out not to be a frequency change at all. I noticed that my comcast box (on the same splitter as my A180) also was not working with the PBS channels, while the TV in the other room was.

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: Fiddled with some coax connectors along the way and it's all good now.

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** Tanthrix definately needs to redo all the coax from scratch **

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iamlindoro__:

Tanthrix: Ah yeah, sounds like it's time to reterminate

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iamlindoro__:

at least

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: Consider this: I am about 350 feet from the pole. At the entry point is an amped 4-way splitter from which 4 cables run (on the outside of the house) at most 60–70 feet to four end points in the house.

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cesman:

(#(&*@#

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cesman:

damn networks

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cesman:

ntp says clock is sync'd but all my shows are starting about 2 minutes early

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: I am going to redo all of this inside the house. Should I preserve the the setup as is, or do you think it would be acceptable to add about 30 feet onto the main line before the amp, therefore taking off an equal amount on the four respective cables?

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iamlindoro__:

Tanthrix: I should think, those are still fairly trivial lengths

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Tanthrix:

Obviously it's best to have the amp as close to the entry point as possible, but I'm wondering if 30 feet will make a noticable difference.

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Tanthrix:

But I am on a threshold a bit as far as signal quality is concerned, so I don't feel comfortable doing too much.

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Tanthrix:

Just would be nice to run one cable into the house and branch off from there in the attic, instead of running four.

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, could test is by getting a $2 coupler and extending it that way and see if it affects things

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PatrickDK:

30 feet isn't going hurt you

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PatrickDK:

the quality and amount of connections will

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Tanthrix:

Keep in mind I'm already on the border of bad signals, and the main line has been spliced three times up the drive way due to cuts.

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PatrickDK:

yuk

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PatrickDK:

use the thickest cable you can

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PatrickDK:

rg6q or rg11

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Tanthrix:

Was planning on the former.

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PatrickDK:

but make sure the ends are on very good

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PatrickDK:

and all empty jacks/splitters/... are capped

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PatrickDK:

you loose 1db about on every connection

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: And you have a good point, I just might do that for the time being.

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PatrickDK:

my friend had a problem, he lived too close to a tv broadcast arrays

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Tanthrix:

PatrickDK: I'm slightly considering running a whole new line to the end of the drive way, then tying it in to the current line. Then I'd only have one splice.

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PatrickDK:

rg6q help him keep out all the interference

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, if you know the cable freqs, you can calculate line loss at http://www.ocarc.ca/coax.htm

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PatrickDK:

I would defently use rg11 or better to run from the house, down the drive

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Tanthrix:

PatrickDK: That's what's there now, though the splices Comcast did were with regular RG6.

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: Good to know, thanks.

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PatrickDK:

I have a crapload of 1" coax in my hosue

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PatrickDK:

and no, I don't run tv's off the 1" coax

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Tanthrix:

Only issue is that the compression tool I've ordered doesn't do RG11, and I'm certainly not buying one just to do one splice.

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Tanthrix:

Wonder if comcast would do it for me...I do have their little one dollar a month plan that gurantees me service, even for stuff that isn't their fault.

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kormoc:

they likely would then

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Tanthrix:

(Such as when I rototill the extremely poorly buried line)

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kormoc:

but it might not be any better

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: I just worry that they need to have someone certified lay the wire.

[03:13:27]

Tanthrix:

For whatever reason.

[03:13:36]

PatrickDK:

certified not to cut a gas pipe

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iamlindoro__:

Just make sure to rototill it lengthwise and not crosswise ;)

[03:13:48]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[03:14:14]

PatrickDK:

trenchers are fun though :)

[03:14:23]

PatrickDK:

it went through everything, without stopping

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iamlindoro__:

"Oh no Mr. Comcast man, I seem to have cut the line down its entire lengthf from my TV to the pole!"

[03:14:38]

PatrickDK:

nice thick ass electric cable, didn't even stop

[03:14:47]

Tanthrix:

If I planned to live here indefinately I'd move all the utility lines to the other, smaller side of the drive way.

[03:14:59]

Tanthrix:

With a nice fat conduit with some pull strings left behind.

[03:15:17]

Tanthrix:

Then I could actually do something with the fairly wide strip on the other side, instead of fearing to so much as put a shovel in it nowadays.

[03:15:39]

PatrickDK:

they thought I was nuts, installing a 1.5" conduit for 12 strande fiber

[03:15:49]

Tanthrix:

And it would give me a valid reason to rent a trencher!

[03:15:49]

PatrickDK:

but well, when you need to run more, you need space

[03:16:33]

PatrickDK:

just lay it correctly

[03:16:51]

PatrickDK:

trench, put in a bed of stone, install conduit, more stone, earth

[03:17:01]

PatrickDK:

and maybe top it off with some grass seed

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Tanthrix:

Maybe I should get this tool instead...http://www.techtoolsupply.com/index.asp?PageA . . . p;ProdID=179

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PatrickDK:

looks kind of like mine

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Tanthrix:

PatrickDK: This was the one I had decided on, but it only does RG6/59: http://www.shopjavaco.com/Merchant2/merchant. . . . -5000UNV-659

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PatrickDK:

heh, red isn't my color :)

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revenge:

I am installing MythTV. I recently Migrated from Windows Vista and it's Infamous Media Center. Yet I still want to be able to stream Movies and Music to my 360 I have heard

[03:22:53]

revenge:

MythTV can be set up to do so, please help

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PatrickDK:

I'm glad I'm ripping all the kids dvd's

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kormoc:

revenge, might want to read the docs

[03:24:23]

PatrickDK:

found about 20% of them are pretty well destroyed

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revenge:

What do you mean read the docs?

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PatrickDK:

rtfm?

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kormoc:

revenge, there's documentation that has been written by the community, you might want to search for your questions in there

[03:26:46]

revenge:

Where might that be?

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revenge:

I am not really privy to Linux

[03:26:59]

revenge:

I like it instead of Windows

[03:27:06]

revenge:

But I don't know the entimate detailings

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kormoc:

revenge, it's linked in the channel topic, http://mythtv.org/wiki/

[03:29:32]

revenge:

I don't see a topic in HOWTO's about streaming to an Xbox 360

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Tanthrix:

PatrickDK: Is there a particular type of coax connector that you're fond of?

[03:38:19]

PatrickDK:

ya, but not for this small stuff :)

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Tanthrix:

RG11 too small for you? ;)

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PatrickDK:

yep

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PatrickDK:

all of my stuff (non-tv) coax starts at 0.5 inchs and goes up

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Tanthrix:

PatrickDK: This look like a decent tool? http://www.shopjavaco.com/page/shopjavaco/PRO . . . PLCCT-LS5911

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PatrickDK:

hmm, rg11 is .4", didn't think it was that thick

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Tanthrix:

I'm always a bit weary of tools that claim to be able to do everything, but it would be nice to have the option to do RG11 when necessary.

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PatrickDK:

cause rg6 is only .195"

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PatrickDK:

I dunno

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PatrickDK:

it looks like it has different push rods, for the different sizes

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Tanthrix:

There's hardly any info out there on these kinds of specialized tools, and not being in the industry myself I'm finding it difficult to decide on one.

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PatrickDK:

http://www.techtoolsupply.com/index.asp?PageA . . . ;ProdID=3120

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PatrickDK:

that is the kind I have

[03:46:12]

PatrickDK:

I'm not in the industry, but I do alot of rf stuff

[03:46:34]

PatrickDK:

I'm sure the one you picked will work

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PatrickDK:

and probably find, if you aren't switching cable types often :)

[03:46:48]

PatrickDK:

fine

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Timrit:

hello. I have a problem with mythweb. I was wondering why when I look the recorded programs and there are two buttons just to the right of the picture of the recorded program, the links point to: <server ip>/mythweb/pl/stream/1038/<show id>. the path is not correct and I would like to know where the path is defined.

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Tanthrix:

Yah, I imagine it would be better to have multiple tools if one was doing different kinds of cable all the time. It'll be 99.9 percent RG6 for me.

[03:47:48]

Tanthrix:

And I suppose there isn't much to a compression tool, so any nice metal one that isn't available for $15 at Home Depot should work in the end.

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PatrickDK:

The smallest I will use is rg6q

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johndbritton:

Timrit: its defined in the config file for mythweb

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PatrickDK:

heh

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xris:

Timrit: none of the URL paths in mythweb point to real files... look at the mod_rewrite code in the included apache conf for info.

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PatrickDK:

how about those $0.25 110 punch tools at homedepot :)

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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kormoc:

Timrit, it's auto figured out in includes/defines.php line 18, but you should figure out why it's failing, as other things rely on the same define

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Timrit:

when i press either of the buttons, it wants to open Totem and after 5 seconds or so i get a window that says "An error occured. Location not found."

[03:52:32]

Timrit:

i am recording my data to a different drive other than the operating system drive.

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kdubya:

that error is local to the machine you are trying to view it on

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kdubya:

not the machine with the backend

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Timrit:

kdubya: correct

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Timrit:

it records just fine

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kdubya:

no, what i am saying, is that the error is because totem cannot find the file

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kdubya:

not because mythweb cant find the file

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kdubya:

open it as a network stream in vlc

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kdubya:

paste in the URL

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Timrit:

kdubya: trying

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xris:

Timrit: read the README file?

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kdubya:

you know totem can view recordings directly right?

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kdubya:

it can work as a sort of frontend

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kormoc:

kdubya, that link points to a network url, so I donno how you think it converts it to a local one

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kdubya:

yeah it that didnt make sense

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kdubya:

-it

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Justin__:

when mapping, say an HDHomeRun w/ ATSC channel numbers, to a digital cable SD source, do I need to edit the channels for the channel number, callsign, AND name to match?

[04:00:02]

Justin__:

cause i edited the number and callsign, and it still isn't working

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iamlindoro:

No, all you need to put in is the XMLid

[04:00:29]

iamlindoro:

None of the three you mentioned matter at all

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Timrit:

when i try to watch it, VLC asks me for a username and password. i try my username and mythtv and as root and enter the proper passwords it doesnt accept those passwords.

[04:00:36]

Justin__:

where do i get the xmlid number?

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iamlindoro:

From the "report" function on schedulesdirect

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Justin__:

ahh, gotcha. thanks a lot

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cesman:

mythtv-setup> Channel Editor

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Justin__:

but if i have multiple tuners using the same source (but with varying lineups), then do the channel number and such need to lineup? or still just the xmlid? I don't want the channels to be listed multiple times

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cesman:

bring up the channel you are interested in and it will list it's xmlid

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cesman:

channels won't be listed multiple times

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Justin__:

then which channel number would have priority (for instance channel 12.3 on HDHR is the same as channel 240 on the cable box)

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iamlindoro:

Whichever tuner card you have given higher priority to

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Justin__:

ok sounds good, thanks again

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robbins876:

i'm using myth with gnome

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robbins876:

is there a way to make the screensaver not come on when myth is open?

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Justin__:

does anyone know if this patch (http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2579) is in 0.21? I'm getting the "error encountered" message on many hdhomerun clear-qam channels

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kormoc:

Justin__, you can click in on the revision numbers, they're all to -trunk

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kormoc:

Justin__, that said, it's all old so it's likely in 0.21

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Justin__:

okay, i was confused because it says "Milestone" and 0.21 is crossed out

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kormoc:

that's cause the milestone was closed

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runlevel:

i have sound but its very crackly and crappy sounding. can some one help me out? ive checked every setting possible that i could find.

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Chicago:

runlevel: Are you using the defaults for your settings?

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runlevel:

Chicago: which settings

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Chicago:

audio buffer underrun on the general settings

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Chicago:

and aggressive audio playback under playback settings

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runlevel:

lemme see what i have em set to

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runlevel:

i tried both on and off for aggresive audio and no help. i dont see an audiobuffer underrun thing anywhere

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Chicago:

Setup -> General -> Audio -> Aggressive Sound card Buffering is off by default.

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Chicago:

Settings -> Playback -> General playback -> Extra audio buffering is on by default.

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runlevel:

ok what are you telling me to do... turn them on or off

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Chicago:

I was asking you if you are using the defaults for your settings.

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runlevel:

extra audio buffering was on, and agressive was off. i have tried all combo's of those with no change.

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aravind:

hi

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runlevel:

im using the pcHDTV5500 (for SDTV tho)

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Wonka:

http://pastebin.com/m3a8421e8

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aravind:

is there a way to re-init the schedule information in the db? I don't want to wipe it clean and re-do the whole setup, if I can avoid it. I had my machine set to UTC, set everything up.. then I installed locales, set the timezone etc.. and now my schedules are off.

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Chicago:

runlevel: Does the audio crackle only on livetv playback or does it sound crappy from a recording too?

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runlevel:

how do i just test a quick recording? the files are nuv files..

[07:23:22]

Chicago:

runlevel: Use mythfrontend.

[07:23:48]

runlevel:

ok ya the recordings sound like crap too

[07:24:32]

Chicago:

Are you logging in /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log?

[07:25:06]

runlevel:

not frontend but backend

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Chicago:

I run mythfrontend with '/usr/bin/mythfrontend -l /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log -v none,important,general' which shows me minimal information.

[07:26:32]

Chicago:

But if you do -v all... then you will get a huge logfile which you can watch with 'watch -n .5 tail -n 40 /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log'

[07:27:37]

kormoc:

Chicago, why not just tail /var/log/blah/blah?

[07:27:42]

kormoc:

well, tail -f

[07:28:20]

Chicago:

I haven't tried tail -f yet.

[07:28:36]

kormoc:

you should, it's a much better way to watch files

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Chicago:

okay cool, i will check it out

[07:29:49]

Chicago:

I want my monitor to deinterlace the recordings from my encoder.

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Chicago:

I set a 720x480 interlaced ModeLine for 59.94 Hz using videogen.

[07:31:06]

Chicago:

Shouldn't the field lines disappear if the timing is right?

[07:31:32]

kormoc:

if the video matches up perfectly, sure

[07:32:04]

Chicago:

I am using an NVIDIA controller.

[07:32:15]

Chicago:

Do I need to be using DirectFB to do this perfectly?

[07:33:13]

Chicago:

I have the kernel set to a 300Hz polling rate, is that enough? Or because I'm mucking with the monitor do I need a more responsive 1000Hz polling rate?

[07:33:13]

runlevel:

ok im showing continuous messages stating that audio is waiting for space on sound device "currently have 2003 need 4096"

[07:33:52]

Chicago:

runlevel: set your audio device to "ALSA:default" and your mixer device to "default" if you are using ALSA.

[07:34:34]

runlevel:

i dont have alsa:default

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runlevel:

but i installed all the alsa packages that ever existed

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Chicago:

^^

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runlevel:

i dont have a "default" mixer iether. just /dev/mixer /dev/mixer1 /dev/sound/mixer and so on

[07:36:19]

tank-man:

its not a file

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tank-man:

its a setting

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runlevel:

i understand that.

[07:37:22]

nuonguy:

Now runnning 2.6.24.3–34.fc8, sadly no ieeee1394 available yet

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Chicago:

nuonguy: No ieee1394 module?

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nuonguy:

atrpms doesn't seem to have any 2.6.24 stuff for ieee1394 except for his cubbi stuff

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Chicago:

kormoc: How do I make the field lines match up?

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media:

Hey guys, I've just got a DVB-T card and cannot get mythTV to scan, according to ABC.net.au the frequency for digital tv should be 606.5MHz; how would I connect to this via mplayer or vlc to verify the card works correctly?

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Dibblah:

Ah, the 'Version 1 is a visible millstone' argument again. This should be so much fun.

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** Dibblah settles down with popcorn to watch. **

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** kormoc grumbles **

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Agrajag-:

media: use the "scan" program to create a channels.conf for mplayer then use mplayer "dvb://channel name"

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kormoc:

Dibblah, salvo one fired...

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Frosty-:

Charming. Mythweb chose this as the thumbnail for Topgear on Saturday night. http://www.nooblet.org/blog/gallery/misc/full/topgear-thumb.png

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quicksilver:

Frosty-: awesome.

[10:15:28]

hashbang:

Frosty-: arse!

[10:16:13]

hashbang:

Frosty-: did you get my Nova-T-500 diagnosis questions?

[10:16:42]

Frosty-:

ah hashbang, I don't think I did sorry. I scurried off to bed at a rediculous time of 5pm :o

[10:17:02]

hashbang:

Frosty-: ok, let's see if I can remember

[10:17:19]

hashbang:

Frosty-: are you using the v4l-dvb drivers from their mercurial archive?

[10:17:26]

Frosty-:

thats true

[10:17:27]

hashbang:

Frosty-: what firmware revision are you loading?

[10:17:45]

hashbang:

Frosty-: do you disable usbcore autosuspend?

[10:18:03]

Frosty-:

dvb-usb-dib0700–1.10.fw

[10:18:14]

hashbang:

OK, firmware's good – that's what I'm using.

[10:18:19]

Frosty-:

I used, options usbcore autosuspend=-1

[10:18:27]

Frosty-:

I don't know how to check if that was taken

[10:18:36]

Frosty-:

nothing in dmesg, and can't find anything to cat in proc

[10:19:13]

hashbang:

Frosty-: ]# cat /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/autosuspend | sort | uniq

[10:19:30]

Frosty-:

aha, "2"

[10:19:36]

Frosty-:

why hasn't it taken that then :/

[10:19:49]

Frosty-:

its in as a module

[10:19:53]

Frosty-:

debian installer kernel

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hashbang:

Frosty-: cat /proc/cmdline

[10:20:12]

Frosty-:

root=/dev/sda5 ro quiet

[10:20:26]

Frosty-:

get rid of quiet and reboot?

[10:20:52]

hashbang:

ah, oops; thought you had it as a kernel boot line

[10:20:56]

hashbang:

Frosty-: lsmod | grep usbcore

[10:21:01]

Frosty-:

its there

[10:21:15]

hashbang:

OK, the FC8 kernel has it compiled in, so I use a kernel boot param

[10:21:38]

hashbang:

Frosty-: modinfo -p usbcore

[10:21:53]

Frosty-:

autosuspend:default autosuspend delay

[10:22:22]

Frosty-:

could it be modprobe.d/options isn't taken at all

[10:22:27]

hashbang:

Frosty-: did you reboot after adding the option to modprobe.d/options?

[10:22:32]

Frosty-:

yes

[10:22:35]

hashbang:

weird

[10:22:43]

hashbang:

try asking some Debian-ites

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Frosty-:

I'm going to reboot again, just to double check

[10:22:53]

Frosty-:

"The system is going down for reboot NOW!"

[10:22:54]

Frosty-:

:)

[10:23:10]

hashbang:

Frosty-: or, failing that, bodge it by modprobe'ing it in explicitly with that option in rc.sysinit or something. :-/

[10:23:11]

Frosty-:

mid-recording too, but Jeremy Kyle can stuff it

[10:23:32]

hashbang:

right, that's it – if you're the kind of person who /records/ Kyle, I'm not helping you any more! :-P

[10:23:42]

Frosty-:

and trisha

[10:23:43]

DustyBin:

Frosty-: are you having problems with your Nova-T ?

[10:23:51]

Frosty-:

DustyBin, the same as before

[10:24:03]

hashbang:

Frosty-: only kidding. :-)

[10:24:07]

Frosty-:

DustyBin, remember I was going to write that perl script? http://www.nooblet.org

[10:24:14]

DustyBin:

yes

[10:24:36]

Frosty-:

Although I have found I don't need to reload the driver

[10:24:41]

DustyBin:

Frosty-: i tried a little script, but when i removed the modules and replaced them it brought have IR remote errors

[10:24:43]

Frosty-:

just restart myth backend and its fine

[10:24:49]

DustyBin:

and filled up my /var/log with errors

[10:25:01]

Frosty-:

I haven't setup an IR yet

[10:25:11]

DustyBin:

Frosty-: aye yes, ive setup a crontab to restart backend 8am every morning

[10:25:28]

DustyBin:

Frosty-: make sure you install the latest drivers from linuxtv.org

[10:25:35]

Frosty-:

I used mercurial

[10:25:39]

DustyBin:

me too

[10:25:43]

Frosty-:

I think its latest

[10:25:54]

DustyBin:

does your perl script work?

[10:25:59]

DustyBin:

is there any need to do all that?

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Frosty-:

even that isn't enough, 6 minutes after a restart it has done it

[10:26:39]

Frosty-:

when something doesn't record, I get no sex

[10:26:41]

Frosty-:

so this is important

[10:26:57]

DustyBin:

lol

[10:27:30]

DustyBin:

"The current drivers are close to stable at the moment (2008-01–25). Occasional USB disconnects may still be experienced. The disconnects were caused by disabling the pull-down resistors or unintentional writes from the dib0700 bridge to the usb bus when accidentally hitting the end of a SOF packet."

[10:27:44]

DustyBin:

"Why and when this happens can only be debugged by the dibcom firmware guys [4] . Other possible reasons for bad behavior could be bad reception (check your aerial, cabling, splitters and low-cost amplifiers) and EIT scanning. Search the linux-dvb mailing list for more information and current problems being experienced."

[10:27:55]

hashbang:

Frosty-: It's not a laughing matter, but – 'heh'

[10:28:01]

DustyBin:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-NOVA-T-500

[10:28:47]

Frosty-:

DustyBin, I have been browsing the user list for a while, lots of debugging but no solutions. Or, lots of solutions but always someone saying "That didn't fix it, I lasted x hours"

[10:29:00]

DustyBin:

Frosty-: have you considered selling that card ?

[10:29:02]

DustyBin:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards

[10:29:44]

Frosty-:

Yes, the decision to replace it has been made, but what with is the question :o

[10:29:45]

hashbang:

I occasionally get failed recordings, but I don't keep track of which card they were on

[10:29:57]

DustyBin:

FusionHDTV Dual Digital 4 <--- maybe this?

[10:30:10]

hashbang:

I also had problems when I just had two Nova-Ts, and I know I've got a shitty signal, so I've always put it down to that as the root cause

[10:30:23]

DustyBin:

FusionHDTV Dual Digital 4 <--- no problems listed

[10:31:06]

DustyBin:

http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/ENG/products/DVBTdual4.aspx

[10:31:38]

Frosty-:

hashbang, thats interesting because that was a possible solution, just use 2x nova-t

[10:31:47]

Frosty-:

I'm reading about that card now DustyBin, thanks

[10:32:21]

DustyBin:

Frosty-: that card says 'HDTV' but also says DVB-T ?! Here in UK we dont have HDTV, but it might pick up normal freeview too?

[10:33:00]

Frosty-:

Yeah, and I read yesterday Freeview HD will use DVB2, or some other similar acronym with "2" in it

[10:33:04]

hashbang:

DustyBin: I think HD over DVB-T vs. SD over DVB-T is just a codec change, i.e. a software upgrade to the MPEG decoder

[10:33:20]

DustyBin:

i think HDTV is just the name of the company, they are called FusionHDTV

[10:34:15]

Frosty-:

The thing about prosuct pages is you need to seperate card features from software

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Frosty-:

product*

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DustyBin:

linuxtv lists NO problems, its a dual tuner card, same as the Nova-T, maybe that is the solution?

[10:34:50]

DustyBin:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DViCO_Dual_Digital_4

[10:35:09]

DustyBin:

and the remote works on it

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Frosty-:

DustyBin, I take it this is the one you will be getting? :)

[10:35:54]

DustyBin:

possibly, ill do some more research first

[10:36:17]

DustyBin:

that card could = a stable healthy mythtv PVR :D

[10:37:19]

Frosty-:

I wouldn't mind a x2 card again as I only have 2 pci slots

[10:37:28]

hashbang:

DustyBin: 'no problems reported' could just mean it's getting less use/testing

[10:37:53]

DustyBin:

indeed, thats why im going to do some more research

[10:37:57]

hashbang:

DustyBin: and, if less people own one, any fixes could be longer coming, if they ever do.

[10:38:25]

** hashbang isn't slagging off that particular card, just making observations about driver support in general **

[10:38:55]

hashbang:

arse

[10:39:00]

DustyBin:

aye ok

[10:39:11]

hashbang:

latest FC8 kernel doesn't include those dib tuning patches from the linux-dvb mailing list

[10:39:49]

Frosty-:

hashbang, accoding to drivers/usb/core/usb.c, the autosuspend variable is an unsigned int

[10:39:59]

DustyBin:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/DViCO_Fu . . . al_Digital_4

[10:41:48]

Frosty-:

DustyBin. the other question though is how much is it and where can we get it in the UK

[10:42:23]

hashbang:

Frosty-: so -1 is 0xffffffff

[10:42:34]

Frosty-:

yeah, longest it could be

[10:42:51]

Frosty-:

no checking is involved for valid variable inputs?

[10:43:11]

hashbang:

Frosty-: it sets autosuspend to -1 here

[10:44:25]

DustyBin:

directhex|work told me to try this within mythsetup, might help the Nova-T 500

[10:44:28]

DustyBin:

11:29 < directhex> DustyBin, here's one to try: switch mythbackend to open devices on-demand rather than on-load

[10:44:31]

DustyBin:

11:29 < directhex> DustyBin, if the device node file handle is stale, that's a possibility

[10:45:44]

hashbang:

DustyBin: I think my Myth box is configured like that – might be why I don't see the problem (much/at all). Let me check...

[10:47:37]

Frosty-:

What the? http://www.avforums.com/forums/showpost.php?s . . . ;postcount=7

[10:47:59]

Frosty-:

I think thats a lie

[10:48:57]

hashbang:

DustyBin: is that the quicktune column in cardinput?

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Frosty-:

On scan the nova-t is listed as a "(909)", know what that means?

[10:49:52]

DustyBin:

hashbang: im unsure where that is

[10:50:34]

DustyBin:

Frosty-: with the latest v4l drivers you dont need to do that

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DustyBin:

Frosty-: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies- . . . /508145.html

[10:52:42]

Frosty-:

I can't find a retailer who sells it

[10:52:48]

Frosty-:

UK that is

[10:52:55]

DustyBin:

hmmm

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Frosty-:

actually just as you say that ..

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Frosty-:

[10:53:39]

Frosty-:

http://kjglobal.co.uk/acatalog/Fusion_HDTV_DV . . . gital_4.html

[10:54:08]

DustyBin:

make sure its in stock before you buy

[10:54:36]

DustyBin:

hashbang doesnt have hardly any problems with his Nova-T 500, why?!?!?!?!?!

[10:55:16]

Frosty-:

I think lots of people have no problems, its to do with distro, kernel, motherboard combinations I suppose

[10:55:21]

Frosty-:

what motherboard do you have?

[10:55:42]

DustyBin:

Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe

[10:55:49]

DustyBin:

NO NO

[10:55:51]

DustyBin:

wrong one

[10:56:02]

Frosty-:

Asus P5B-VM

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DustyBin:

Asus P5PE-VM in my mythbackend

[10:56:06]

Frosty-:

erk

[10:56:21]

hashbang:

DustyBin: no more than with my two Nova-Ts, anyway.

[10:56:38]

Frosty-:

lots of pci-express cards available now

[10:56:43]

Frosty-:

but no linux support

[10:56:54]

hashbang:

DustyBin: FC8, stock kernel and dvb drivers, Gigabyte GA-8PE667 Ultra (i845PE) mobo

[10:57:13]

hashbang:

DustyBin: OTOH, I think about 90% of my recordings go to my Nova-T

[10:57:30]

hashbang:

DustyBin: I think I have 52 scheduled over the next two weeks, and 42 of those will be on the Nova-T

[10:57:39]

DustyBin:

Linux server 2.6.22-3–686 #1 SMP Tue Dec 4 02:25:59 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux

[10:57:58]

DustyBin:

hmmmmmm

[10:58:10]

DustyBin:

maybe it could be something to do with BIOS USB settings?!

[10:58:12]

Frosty-:

Linux jawa 2.6.22-3–686 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 20:20:49 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux

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DustyBin:

PCI settings?

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Frosty-:

the date is just the date it was installed right? on the kernel line

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DustyBin:

yes

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DustyBin:

Frosty-: we have similar mobos and kernels

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Frosty-:

yeah :/

[10:59:01]

DustyBin:

same problem

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Frosty-:

debian?

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DustyBin:

im running debian etch on mine yes

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DustyBin:

using backports kernel

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Frosty-:

hmm, I remmeber, your using backports, I'm using lenny

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DustyBin:

ok

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DustyBin:

hashbang, what version kernel you using?

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Frosty-:

I'm gonna grab 2.6.24.3, latest stable from krenel.org

[11:00:23]

hashbang:

2.6.24.3–12.fc8

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hashbang:

but all sorts since FC8

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DustyBin:

cutting edge fedora!

[11:00:51]

hashbang:

fairly up-to-date dvb drivers, but not completely

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DustyBin:

maybe its a bios setting on ASUS mobos?!

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Frosty-:

its possible

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hashbang:

hmmm, just grepping for disconnect, and I'm seeing them in syslog:

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Frosty-:

once In the Night Garden has finished recording, I'm gonna take a look

[11:02:46]

hashbang:

Mar 16 18:30:22 mythtv kernel: mt2060 I2C write failed

[11:02:46]

hashbang:

Mar 16 18:30:22 mythtv kernel: dvb-usb: Hauppauge Nova-T 500 Dual DVB-T successfully deinitialized and disconnected.

[11:02:46]

hashbang:

Mar 16 18:30:22 mythtv kernel: usb 2–1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 10

[11:02:46]

hashbang:

Mar 16 18:30:22 mythtv kernel: usb 2–1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice

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hashbang:

Mar 16 18:30:22 mythtv kernel: dvb-usb: found a 'Hauppauge Nova-T 500 Dual DVB-T' in warm state.

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hashbang:

maybe it's just that I'm not hammering my Nova-T-500 tuners?

[11:03:25]

hashbang:

and so statistically less likely to try to record whilst they're disconnected?

[11:03:54]

Frosty-:

even livetv wont work when they "go"

[11:03:59]

Frosty-:

just partial lock

[11:04:20]

Frosty-:

surely if they were disconnected from the internal usb hub, or suspended, then the backend would just bawk

[11:07:43]

DustyBin:

Frosty-: and restarting the mythbackend makes everything ok again?

[11:09:00]

Frosty-:

yeah

[11:09:05]

Frosty-:

no need for driver reloading

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DustyBin:

once this compile has finished im going to take a look at this

[11:09:21]

DustyBin:

11:29 < directhex> DustyBin, if the device node file handle is stale, that's a possibility

[11:09:24]

DustyBin:

11:29 < directhex> DustyBin, here's one to try: switch mythbackend to open devices on-demand rather than on-load

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hashbang:

DustyBin: from what I've read, that's incompatible with EIT scanning

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DustyBin:

oh..

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hashbang:

BICBW

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DustyBin:

or it could be something simple like this:

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DustyBin:

"Other possible reasons for bad behavior could be bad reception (check your aerial, cabling, splitters and low-cost amplifiers) and EIT scanning."

[11:15:47]

** hashbang buckles and builds the v4l-dvb drivers from mercurial **

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hashbang:

FC8 RPMs coming soon, folks

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DustyBin:

aye i just did that

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hashbang:

at least there's an 'updates' directory these days in the module path

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Frosty-:

hashbang, do you use EIT?

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DustyBin:

when i move, im going to invest in a masthead amplifier connected next to the actual antenna

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hashbang:

Frosty-: yup

[11:19:35]

Frosty-:

I can't even find my antenna, I don't see one on the roof and the loft is empty :o

[11:19:41]

DustyBin:

lol

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hashbang:

Frosty-: maybe you're just using the coax! :-)

[11:20:03]

Frosty-:

lol maybe, I only get 20–40% signal

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DustyBin:

Frosty-: make sure the amplifier is turned on

[11:20:18]

Frosty-:

takes a while to tune, but once locked its okay :)

[11:20:24]

Frosty-:

how do I check if its on

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Frosty-:

I have the options added

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DustyBin:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-NOVA-T-500

[11:20:49]

DustyBin:

options dvb-usb-dib0700 force_lna_activation=1

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Frosty-:

yeah I've done that, but how can I check that it has been enabled :s

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DustyBin:

once i turned mine on, the signal level went up

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DustyBin:

thats how i knew

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Frosty-:

its on

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Frosty-:

[root@jawa(~)> cat /sys/module/dvb_usb_dib0700/parameters/force_lna_activation | 1

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kslater:

&#29

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kslater:

doh

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Frosty-:

Error: does not compute.

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DustyBin:

Sorry: computer says no

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jduggan_:

*cough*

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jarle:

when compiling from svn, is there no way to specify that I only need to install the frontend?

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directhex|work:

you can't compile the components separately. it tends to break

[12:20:19]

directhex|work:

so by deleting the mythbackend executables etc, you're saving, what, a meg of disk space?

[12:20:28]

jarle:

directhex|bsp: but I can still prevent "make install" from installing the backend?

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directhex|work:

jarle, dunno. like i said, does it matter, as long as you don't start it?

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jarle:

directhex|bsp: guess not... :)

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directhex|work:

"make install" is not fine-grained. you could always just erase mythbackend and mythtv-setup afterwards

[12:26:09]

** jarle is just used to running pre-built packages... **

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user__error:

anybody awake? =) got some questions on an upgrade from .20 to .21

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directhex|work:

never ask to ask

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user__error:

ha, thanks, i'm a newb.

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user__error:

i am using mythbuntu and i have been running it without any major issues for about 6 months. last night i updated to .21 and now my live tv & recorded tv view is extremly choppy, on video only audio seems fine.

[12:49:41]

user__error:

any suggestions?

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user__error:

i did notice that myth weather broke, and so did mythvideo up the upgrade but i was able to fix those.

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directhex|work:

describe your system – cpu, gpu

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user__error:

i was going to remove all my tuner info, and re-add it but i figuerd i'd ask first...

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user__error:

my system is a P4 2.8 ghz, 1GB RAM, 128MB ATI X1300

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directhex|work:

ati don't support mythtv

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directhex|work:

you *might* get some luck switching to the opengl video renderer, but no promises

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user__error:

damn, yeah before the ati video driver gave everyone blue skin.

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user__error:

so i stuck with VESA

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directhex|work:

then you have no video driver, and fullscreen video playback should never have been possible

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user__error:

but now fglrx seem seems to work but the video is choppy

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directhex|work:

like i said, ati don't support mythtv, and you might have some luck with the opengl video renderer

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directhex|work:

though i hear systems tend to hard-lock when using fglrx and the gl renderer

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user__error:

weird, it did work full screen, the only thing that didn't work was the preview box in guide using vesa

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DustyBin:

user__error: do the de-interlacers work?

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user__error:

Can I get an Nvidia card then?

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user__error:

Dusty: How to i tell if the interlacers work

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user__error:

?

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directhex|work:

user__error, that's the easy fix to most video playback issues

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DustyBin:

user__error: try them and see?!?

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user__error:

everything worked great in .20 until the .21 upgrade so if Vesa driver worked even in .20 why would it not work in .21?

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user__error:

eeh, how do i test the interlacers? or where do i go to see them?

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directhex|work:

user__error, 0.21 has significantly changed the way videos render. check the video renderer options

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user__error:

ok going to look...

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directhex|work:

and vesa will never ever be supported as a driver in here. vesa is an absence of driver. it's the "standard vga adapter" driver windows uses – the one that makes even web browsing painful

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user__error:

I guess I can understand that. about vesa

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user__error:

alright, well again showing my ignorance, there was an opengl setting under mythtv > settings > TV Settings > i turned that on, but no change... i am guessing the next place to look is in my xorg.conf file?

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user__error:

for the open gl setting?

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directhex|work:

you need to check you have opengl working, certainl, usually by running "glxinfo"

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user__error:

doh, hang on, can't run that from ssh

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directhex|work:

and what do you mean by "turned that on"? you edited the playback profile? you're sure you did it right?

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user__error:

i'll show you hang on

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user__error:

glxinfo says Direct Rendering = NO

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directhex|work:

then you don't have opengl support. this is with fglrx?

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user__error:

yes this is with fglrx

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user__error:

this was the GL setting i turned "on" in myth, obviously its useless at this point: http://www.iametarq.com/gl.jpg

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directhex|work:

you need to fix your opengl support. fglrx is enormously fragile. try your xorg.0.log to look for hints as to why it's not working

[13:09:47]

mickfromperth:

hi i'm looking for information on automatic recordings. I have multiple channels with the same shows on EPG, and I want to set say chanel 1 as a prefference over chanel 2. Is this possible?

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directhex|work:

user__error, that's not it. look on page 3 (i think), for playback profiles. you can define different rendering methods to use under different circumstances

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user__error:

those playback profiles on page 3 are a 'new' feature of .21, right? if so I know what you're speaking of and will mess with those while i figure out why opengl is not working.

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directhex|work:

yes, playback profiles are new

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directhex|work:

they're much more fine grained than the old system. you might also spot references to direct3d (for the windows port) and quartz (for the osx port) in there

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user__error:

ok

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user__error:

I absolutely hate video problems in linux, i have never ever been able to fix them on my own.

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user__error:

what do these mean?

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user__error:

(==) fglrx(0): OpenGL ClientDriverName: "fglrx_dri.so"

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user__error:

(**) fglrx(0): ATI GART size: 256 MB

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user__error:

(EE) fglrx(0): [pcie] Failed to gather memory of size 262144Kb for PCIe. Error (-1007)

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user__error:

(EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable

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directhex|work:

it means fglrx hates you

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user__error:

figures

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user__error:

lol

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directhex|work:

user__error, don't assume fglrx is representitive of linux as a whole. it's written by feckless morons

[13:15:04]

quicksilver:

user__error: I think there are some smart people in the phoronix forums who know more about fglrx than any of us here.

[13:15:28]

quicksilver:

user__error: you might also try to find out if the recent versions of the open-source driver support your card. Support has got much better since christmas.

[13:15:32]

directhex|work:

there's always radeonhd

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hnitsuj:

there's always Nvidia :D

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directhex|work:

yes, that's the much easier solution

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user__error:

but someone on here said that in november, nvidia was just as bad as ATI!

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directhex|work:

user__error, they were full of shit

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hnitsuj:

wouldn't have been me, or anybody with a clue

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directhex|work:

user__error, you will often find people on irc who loudly talk shit

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user__error:

well, i will try the radonHD, but i think when I looked (in december 07) there was no support for my x1300 yet.

[13:17:09]

user__error:

i'll look again though.

[13:17:25]

user__error:

so the root of my issue is probably this opengl issue?

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directhex|work:

user__error, your video driver in general is probably the issue

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quicksilver:

http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd

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directhex|work:

which stems from your use of ati

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user__error:

haha

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quicksilver:

says the X1300 is supported

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user__error:

well damn it, the ati card was free!

[13:18:05]

user__error:

so i had to take it

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directhex|work:

at any rate, radeonhd in ubuntu 7.20 is ancient, so probably won't help

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directhex|work:

7.10

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user__error:

i used the nvidia card in my neighbor's front end.

[13:18:47]

user__error:

so download the latest radeonhd then?

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directhex|work:

you could try recompiling http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd

[13:19:40]

directhex|work:

which would avoid the messy messy mess that "make install" can cause

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hnitsuj:

the heroin was free, so I had to take it!

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directhex|work:

the first hit is always free!

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directhex|work:

okay, i don't know whether it works, but: "dpkg-deb: building package `xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' in `../xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd_1.1.0–1_amd64.deb'."

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user__error:

i'll give it a shot

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directhex|work:

seems easy enough to rebuild. apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd; dget -x http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/univers . . . 1.1.0-1.dsc; sed -i 's/1.4/1.3/' debian/control; dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot

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hnitsuj:

now then. 1.0 or 2.0? Hell I've been using mythtv for 3 or 4 years so I'll call my version number 4.0 just for the hell of it

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directhex|work:

hnitsuj, how about "XP", with "5.1" as a hidden super-secret version number?

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user__error:

well its downloading and working now directhex

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user__error:

hm

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hnitsuj:

mythtv XP. wow. That has a real ring to it! Teh awesomes!

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user__error:

HEH

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user__error:

great, now my xorg is totally miffed at me

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user__error:

the 'discovery' feature to find video cards is not working.

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user__error:

i guess i'll try and do this by hand now.

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directhex|work:

you changed things in xorg.conf?

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user__error:

no i tried that link to have apt get radeonHD

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user__error:

and it errored out

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directhex|work:

how enormously descriptive

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user__error:

so copied back my original 'working' xorg back for now

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user__error:

sed: can't read debian/control: No such file or directory

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user__error:

dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory

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user__error:

dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is

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user__error:

is what it gave me

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directhex|work:

i forgot a "cd xserver*" in the middle of that. you didn't change anything unless you were running as root, somewhere stupid

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directhex|work:

and if you were running as root, somewhere stupid, i have less than zero sympathy

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user__error:

well i ran it as sudo, because i thought you had to for apt – or else it screams at you for not having root priviledges

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user__error:

so where does this cd xerver* go in that line?

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directhex|work:

try to apply some thought to what the commands i pasted actually do, and the output shown on the screen

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user__error:

i've been working on that for a while. ;)

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user__error:

just not getting very far

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directhex|work:

sigh

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directhex|work:

change into the xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd-1.1.0 folder

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directhex|work:

the one which actually has a debian/control file in it

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user__error:

ok

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user__error:

lets see.

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user__error:

there's a debian folder with a file called control

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user__error:

what does the sed -i do ?

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Puhi:

any idea why my myth box is suddenly saying Signal 99% but (L__) Partial Lock?

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rhpot1991_laptop:

wondering if anyone here has an antec fusion v2 with the IR receiver?

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directhex|work:

user__error, -i means "inline", as in "make the changes specified by this sed expression to the named file". 's/foo/bar/' is a substitution, which changes one thing into another

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directhex|work:

user__error, debian/control mandates that the package needs development headers for xserver-xorg 1.4 to compile. ubuntu 7.10 only has 1.3. hence changing it

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user__error:

oh, so you're fooling it?

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directhex|work:

more a case of rewriting the truth

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directhex|work:

often these version requirements aren't actually neccessary, but they're used as a way to push packages into being compiled at the same time in the official distribution.

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user__error:

ok that i understand, a long time ago i had to do something similar to make xine install on an old redhat system.

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directhex|work:

there's a *chance* it will refuse to work at all, but the fact that it compiles at all is a good sign

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user__error:

ok so in this part:

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user__error:

sed -i 's/1.4/1.3/' debian/control;

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user__error:

i need to put in the cd /xerver*/ in front of the debian/control; ?

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user__error:

no, i don't because it doesn't like the "cd" in there

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user__error:

so if i do this:

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user__error:

apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd; dget -x http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/univers . . . 1.1.0-1.dsc; sed -i 's/1.4/1.3/' xserver*/debian/control; dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot

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user__error:

i get this:

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directhex|work:

then dpkg-buildpackage will fail, since you need to be in the xserver folder

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user__error:

dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory

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user__error:

dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is

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user__error:

damn it.

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user__error:

arg

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user__error:

ok

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user__error:

ok so i made it this:

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user__error:

apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd; dget -x http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/univers . . . 1.1.0-1.dsc; sed -i 's/1.4/1.3/'; cd xserver*; debian/control; dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot

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user__error:

and I get ...

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directhex|work:

what is the sed command doing in your line?

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directhex|work:

nothing. you're saying "do this substitution on the file named "

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user__error:

the sed was in the original line you posted?

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user__error:

so i moved the cd xerver* forward so now it is switching to the folder with debian/config but it says

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user__error:

sed: no input files

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user__error:

-bash: debian/control: Permission denied

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user__error:

dpkg-buildpackage: source package is xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd

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user__error:

dpkg-buildpackage: source version is 1.1.0–1

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user__error:

dpkg-buildpackage: source changed by Brice Goglin <bgoglin@debian.org >

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user__error:

dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture i386

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user__error:

dpkg-buildpackage: source version without epoch 1.1.0–1

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user__error:

dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: xserver-xorg-dev (>= 2:1.4) automake autoconf libtool

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user__error:

dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.

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user__error:

dpkg-buildpackage: (Use -d flag to override.)

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user__error:

so the 'sed' is not needed or being applied wrong?

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directhex|work:

it's being applied wrong

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user__error:

oh and i have some unmet dependancies

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user__error:

damn it

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user__error:

let me install those

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directhex|work:

you could always just edit debian/control by hand

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directhex|work:

see, this is the issue with handing people a solution on a plate. if you forget to pre-chew, it opens up a whole unpleasant episode

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user__error:

yes i know.

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user__error:

i could also go get an Nvidia card that "should work" but that'd be cheating

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user__error:

see the whole issue i have with my learning of linux is I missed the grades k-8

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user__error:

why would the control file have permission denied

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user__error:

it looks like my user can write to it

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directhex|work:

because you're trying to execute it?

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user__error:

i have no idea, this obviously going to be way over my head so i'll screw around with it. if all else fails i can go back to .20, that at least worked so i could watch tv.

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user__error:

thanks for your help

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** hashbang crashes his myth box doing rmmod dvb_usb_dib0700 **

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** hashbang is sad. **

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user__error:

holy shit it;s compiling!

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directhex|work:

get in the car!

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user__error:

i edited that controls file manually so the xserver dev was the 1.3 instead of 1.4 like your sed thing was trying to do

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user__error:

lol

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user__error:

so does this mean the radeonhd driver is now installed??

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user__error:

dear god it could not have been that easy?

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user__error:

oh no

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user__error:

so what we really just did was make a .deb package?

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directhex|work:

user__error, yes.

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user__error:

oh my

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user__error:

MY TV WORKS!

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user__error:

WOO HOO!

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Kazan:

that's good

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user__error:

i changed my xorg.conf driver to use "radeonhd", rebooted and it works!

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Kazan:

anyone here in the seattle area

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Kazan:

um.. radeonhd doesn't have XVideo accel

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Kazan:

yet

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user__error:

i dont care, everything works like it did before i upgraded now.

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user__error:

thats all that matters

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user__error:

i dont even have a decent tv connected to my mythbox

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user__error:

thank you directhex|work

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Kazan:

man.. if google wants me to move to seattle.. they better be giving me a large paycheck offer

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Kazan:

damn cost of living there is expensive

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Kazan:

plus distance-from-{friends, family, activities} sucks

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Hoochster:

is the Mythtv Framebuffer branch still in production?

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directhex|work:

Hoochster, there was a branch for that? i doubt it

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directhex|work:

Hoochster, the only people who are are pvr350 users, and nobody really wants to develop for them anymore

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Hoochster:

understand directhex|work I just remember it being out there awhile back but didn't think much of it, but now I have a MPEG4 card coming in and was gonna be interested in trying to make it work with Myth hopefully in time heh. We got it working in VDR now, but nobody wants to run that heh!

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Hoochster:

figure I will have to do something in framebuffer to make it fly

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directhex|work:

mpeg4 encoded *output*?

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Hoochster:

Reelbox Extension HD PCI card. full MPEG4 decoder

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Hoochster:

hdmi or component

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Hoochster:

decodes paff

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directhex|work:

drivers?

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user__error:

ok, so directhex|work, in your opinion, should i stick with this radeonHD driver and ATI card or in the future when i get better hardware should i get an nvidia card

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Hoochster:

well haven't gotten mine yet, but a friend did, not sure if he had to run specific drivers for it or not will have to ask him when he comes online, we did have to use a plugin in VDR to make it run though and that might be what accessed it. surely it had some other sort of drivers. will let u know

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user__error:

right now the ati card i have work sbecause the only input i have into my tv is a S-Video cable

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user__error:

sucks i know.

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directhex|work:

user__error, an nvidia card would be infinitely better

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Hoochster:

was just getting ideas on how I am gonna address it, hopefully I will get lucky and get it shipped out soon heh.

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user__error:

well THANK YOU again for your help/.

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user__error:

once i put all those commands in one a time it made more sense.

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user__error:

as did editting that file manually

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user__error:

like you suggested

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user__error:

so i apologize for my ineptitude

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DustyBin:

how could i send a email to this person:

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DustyBin:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:Pepsi_max2k

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sid3windr:

by finding out his email address and using as the recipient of the email

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DustyBin:

it looks like he is a member of xbox-scene, ill send him a message via the forum

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hnitsuj:

oh I remember that username. posting illegals

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DustyBin:

illegals?

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hnitsuj:

software decripplement

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DustyBin:

lol

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DustyBin:

i want him to make me a vga > scart nvidia lead

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DustyBin:

i tried and failed

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DustyBin:

Last Active 4th March 2008 – 07:14 PM

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hashbang:

DustyBin: how far did you get?

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** Thomas- have seen such vga->scart cables on the local dyi-store ... **

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DustyBin:

i thought it would be a cast of simply cutting the vga cable and doing some soldering

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Thomas-:

for like ... $10

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DustyBin:

but not all the pins were connected, so that means buying a proper vga plug and a scart plug

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DustyBin:

and a lot of soldering, im no good at soldering at all

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DustyBin:

it started to look really messy and i gave up

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DustyBin:

Thomas-: i cannot be just a normal cable

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DustyBin:

it

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DustyBin:

it needs special attention, nvidia / ati use different circuits

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DustyBin:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/RGB_Scart

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DustyBin:

"If you happen to live in the UK, I'll also have a spare one made up within a couple weeks which I'll send you for cost price + postage (only a few £ max), so don't worry if you can't solder owt, although mine aren't exactly works of art..."

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DustyBin:

^^ pepsi_max

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Thomas-:

DustyBin: all I know is that a friend bought one and used on a nvidia card and It worked fine

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DustyBin:

Thomas-: odd..

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adac:

how can i delete and recreate the database on the backend?

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iamlindoro_:

Manual section 23

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hashbang:

http://poolhem.se/video/ # hahah – teh crazy Swedes!

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iamlindoro_:

"Last modified: Sun Mar 18 20:13:15 CET 2007" Then his house caught fire from sticking all that shit in a tiny VCR box and he was killed in a tragic conflagration...

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: heheh

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directhex|work:

build an htpc that overheats and looks like that horrible plasticky vcr you always hated. win!

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hnitsuj:

it's not as good as one I found a long time ago – almost though ;)

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hashbang:

I was looking for a really tidy example of a VGA to SCART adaptor I saw a while back

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hashbang:

it was on a PC blanking plate and was all internal, with headers for sound and everything.

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Frosty-:

If I recompile the kernel, I need to recompile v4l-dvb?

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directhex|work:

Frosty-, yes

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iamlindoro_:

yarrr

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Frosty-:

anything else?

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iamlindoro_:

yorp

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Frosty-:

mythtv wise that is

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Frosty-:

yarrp?

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iamlindoro_:

nvidia drivers/whatever else no work good afterwards

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Frosty-:

ah nvidia

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iamlindoro_:

</Hot Fuzz>

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hnitsuj:

ahh nifty. I can replace my car stereo for less than it originally cost me :)

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DustyBin:

Frosty-: i did a re-compile of the v4l drivers this morning

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DustyBin:

im now waiting for the nova-t to disconnect ...

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Frosty-:

I've compiled kernel 2.6.24–3

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Frosty-:

will reboot when Jeremy Kyle has finished :P

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Frosty-:

I think I'll grab new v4l as well

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DustyBin:

Frosty-: if you compile v4l yourself, you dont need to install a newer kernel?

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DustyBin:

because v4l contains all the stuff you need

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Frosty-:

no, I don't, the kernel is just an upgrade

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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iamlindoro_:

This will end in tears

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DustyBin:

Frosty-: its against debians policy to compile your own kernels..

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Frosty-:

iamlindoro, I have a bit-level backup of the drive, just in case :)

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directhex|work:

iamlindoro, undoubtedly

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directhex|work:

DustyBin, no it isn't. it's against debian policy to "make install" your own kernels

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DustyBin:

hehe

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directhex|work:

DustyBin, building youe own kernel .deb is fine. tools are provided to do it

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Frosty-:

I've redone 1000's of kernels, its np

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DustyBin:

ok

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DustyBin:

i use debian etch and debian backport kernel

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hnitsuj:

hahaha site I was looking for my replacement stereo on has a FAQ.. "what are mp3s? where can I get mp3s?" then goes on to mention kazaa & bit torrent

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Frosty-:

link

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hnitsuj:

"Another way to begin an MP3 collection is to download MP3 files from other people, kazaa is a popular file sharing program rather like "napster", allowing you to search for MP3's and share your own."

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tim1:

hei all I gust got myself a nova-t card I would be great full if some one can help me set it up

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DustyBin:

there is only 1 car stereo to get:

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DustyBin:

http://www.alpine-usa.com/US-en/products/prod . . . del=iDA-X100

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hnitsuj:

alpine. pfft

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DustyBin:

who uses CDs in 2008?

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directhex|work:

tim1, plug it in, ensure your distro is loading cx88-dvb

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tim1:

kazaa ? man where have you been

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hnitsuj:

looks like a theme I did once. shite

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DustyBin:

'24-Bit Burr Brown DAC'

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tim1:

directhex|work: i have other cards working an tops shows that (cx88-dvb) but mythtv-setup dont show the card at al

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directhex|work:

tim1, dmesg?

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hnitsuj:

DustyBin: 24-bit – to reproduce audio which was originally 14 bit? yay :-\

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iamlindoro_:

*top* shows xc88-dvb?

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iamlindoro_:

er cx

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directhex|work:

iamlindoro, yes, it does that

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iamlindoro_:

Weird... haven't ever seen it in mine. Heh.

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directhex|work:

iamlindoro_, funny, no? it shows a kernel thread per tuner

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DustyBin:

hnitsuj: alpines units are the only units out there what connect to a ipod via digital

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directhex|work:

iamlindoro, something like [cx88-dvb]

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iamlindoro_:

Maybe i've just never really looked beyond the first five lines of top as it's not exactly the most intuitive way to check a running process

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hnitsuj:

DustyBin: Ipod?! IPOD?!?!?!?!

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directhex|work:

ipood!

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DustyBin:

hnitsuj: im ripping my cd collection into FLAC format, then do another rip into lame mp3 for my ipod

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hnitsuj:

DustyBin: and again you're talking complete & utter BOLLOCKS

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DustyBin:

why?!

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iamlindoro_:

cue jihad.... now

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jackson:

DustyBin, my ford stock factory radio has digital inputs

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hnitsuj:

I just bought my wife a new car stereo which has a direct ipod pluggy inny thingy

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tim1:

i have a cardd called MPEG-2 encoder caRD (pvr-X50–500 IT SAYS IT FAILD TO OPEN

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hnitsuj:

controls the ipoo too :)

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anykey_:

tim1: go get the firmware

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hnitsuj:

me, I would maybe have an ipoo if given one, but not until then

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sid3windr:

< DustyBin> hnitsuj: alpines units are the only units out there what connect to a ipod via digital << indeed bollocks;)

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DustyBin:

hnitsuj: all those other stereos use the analogue lines, not digital, alpine have some kind of deal with apple

[15:48:15]

hnitsuj:

DustyBin: no they don't. you're talking bullshit still

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directhex|work:

tim1, your card is not an mpeg2 encoder card. it's a dvb card

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jackson:

DustyBin, anything with a digital cd changer interface can be feed a digital signal from an ipod.

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DustyBin:

maybe i read wrong somewhere..

[15:50:18]

hnitsuj:

maybe. there are plenty which work with the diggycle these days

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tim1:

direccthex|work please look here http://pastebin.com/m12d736da

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Frosty-:

Yuo're all obsessed with the feces from the bull

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hnitsuj:

the stereo that got pinched with my car could read files off an ipoo

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hnitsuj:

"but MediaXpander restores the harmonic structure across the full bandwidth, adding clarity to give your music life again.". what a load of complete & utter bollocks

[15:53:03]

hnitsuj:

you can't restore what isn't there man

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iamlindoro_:

CSI: Digital Audio?

[15:53:23]

directhex|work:

tim1, okay, fine. you still don't hace an mpeg2 encoder card. as long as you have files in /dev/dvb, then myth should be happy

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hnitsuj:

hahaha best analog I've seen iamlindoro_

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directhex|work:

blade runner had better shonky photo restore tech than csi

[15:54:03]

directhex|work:

it could change the *andle* on a 2d pic :)

[15:54:05]

directhex|work:

angle

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tim1:

I think its working thank you very much

[15:54:17]

iamlindoro_:

"Whoah! What's that? Can you enhance that for me?" *dramatic beat* "Let's go get him." (commercial break)

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tank-man:

directhex|work, they can change the angle in csi too, by looking in the reflection or the persons eye, they can see a whole nother scene

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tim1:

Im finding new channels :)

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tank-man:

reflection of

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hnitsuj:

directhex|work: that was some zoom they had in bladerunner like :)

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hnitsuj:

never mind the film grain :D

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iamlindoro_:

TBH I was never a great fan of Blade Runner. Never saw what all the hubbub was about

[15:56:39]

iamlindoro_:

Perhaps it's too smart for me

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hashbang:

hnitsuj: http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdet . . . CNTID=552118 # yamaha are just the same – 'compressed music enhancer' indeed. Just sounds like a load of random HF to my ears.

[16:11:08]

Frosty-:

yamaha?

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Frosty-:

oh music :(

[16:11:19]

Frosty-:

my pride and joy is an R6 :)

[16:13:23]

adac:

I get this error when I try to start the backend: Database Schema upgrade FAILED, unlocking.

[16:13:25]

adac:

Couldn't upgrade database to new schema

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adac:

what can I do?

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iamlindoro_:

look at the rest of the message that tells you what the problem table is and fix it

[16:13:57]

adac:

Database error was:Table 'mythconverg.settings' doesn't exist

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adac:

guess that is the error?

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iamlindoro_:

new install?

[16:14:32]

iamlindoro_:

or did you do some weird backup restore tomfoolery or edit the DB in any way?

[16:14:36]

adac:

iamlindoro__: fedora atrpms upgrade eo 0.21

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adac:

*to

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iamlindoro_:

It's safe to say, I think, that if the settings table doesn't exist you have some serious DB problems

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Frosty-:

do the other tables exist?

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adac:

Frosty-: yeah they do exist

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adac:

can i recreate the database somehow

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adac:

mean from the scratch

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Frosty-:

dump the database as a backup

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Frosty-:

run the mc.sql database script to create the database and then run mythtv-setup

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adac:

Frosty-: I don't need a backup...there was not much in it really by now ;)

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adac:

ok i try

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Frosty-:

drop it before you recreate, forgot to say :)

[16:19:08]

adac:

Frosty-: how to drop it? can you tell me that?

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Frosty-:

echo "drop database mythconverg; create database mythconverg"|mysql -u root -p

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Frosty-:

rather destructive

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Frosty-:

:o

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Frosty-:

then run mythtv-setup

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adac:

Frosty-: destructive...

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adac:

sounds GOOD :D

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adac:

lol

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adac:

Frosty-: it works like a charm, thx!!

[16:22:54]

Frosty-:

I helped someone :O

[16:23:17]

Frosty-:

adac, I'm the village idiot :)

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adac:

Frosty-: you too?

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adac:

:)

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** iamlindoro_ doesn't want to ruin this beautiful moment by mentioning the privileges and default character set haven't been set on the DB since you didn't use mc.sql... I'll wait until you guys are done making out. **

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Frosty-:

privilages will remain intact

[16:25:54]

Frosty-:

character set, ugh

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hnitsuj:

mmmmm now you delete. oh yeah... that'd gooooooooood...

[16:30:33]

Frosty-:

amazing how many warnings there are during a kernel compile

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directhex|work:

best one yet! http://garfieldminusgarfield.tumblr.com/post/29026521

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iamlindoro_:

HA

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tim1:

hey the nova-t remote works with mce receiver. :)

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hnitsuj:

directhex|work: jesus h christ

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directhex|work:

hnitsuj, ?

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Frosty-:

directhex|bsp, the supposed son of god

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Thomas-:

god?

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Thomas-:

is he related with puffy the magic dragon.?

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Frosty-:

I think they came from the same book

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hnitsuj:

directhex|work: scary site

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directhex|work:

hnitsuj, tee hee

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jarle:

compiling mythtv from svn I accidentally had qt4 installed instead of qt3. Installing qt3 and running "make clean" "./configure" "make" I get this error: http://pastebin.ca/946311 Shouldn't "make clean" fix this?

[16:46:34]

hnitsuj:

accidentally installed qt4 eh? ouchy

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Thomas-:

jarle: without looking at the output, try distclean and then configure, make etc

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jarle:

Thomas-: Tried that to without any difference...

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jarle:

that too....

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Anduin:

jarle: The problem with make clean fixing it is the various makefiles are likely to fail before they actually clean anything.

[16:49:37]

jarle:

"No rule to make target `/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop." Somehow the qt4 link is still there in the makefile?

[16:49:56]

Anduin:

It is, the Qt4 qmake added it

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Frosty-:

jarle, I beleive SVN is now using at4

[16:50:18]

Frosty-:

qt4

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Anduin:

You get a similar problem if you try to move your source tree without cleaning first.

[16:50:25]

Frosty-:

This post announced it, "[mythtv-users] [ANNOUNCE] merging Qt4 branch to trunk"

[16:50:36]

Anduin:

It isn't, though soon (svn), there is currently a branch.

[16:50:36]

Frosty-:

with "It is recommended to switch productive systems to release-0-21-fixes."

[16:51:21]

jarle:

but mythtv will only build against qt3, correct?

[16:51:29]

kormoc:

for now, yes

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kormoc:

Frosty-, not yet

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kormoc:

Frosty-, the -qt4 branch is qt4 only

[16:52:01]

kormoc:

it'll merge over sometime soon and then svn will be qt4 only

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Frosty-:

the announcement said today/tomorrow

[16:52:23]

Frosty-:

guess soon is very soon :)

[16:52:47]

Frosty-:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/323432

[16:52:59]

Anduin:

Never trust anyone involved with software when it comes to time estimates.

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Thomas-:

:p

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jarle:

guess I'll do a new svn checkout and see if that works any better...

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[18:11:35]

Frosty-:

does ATi have such a wonderful linux installer?

[18:12:30]

iamlindoro_:

That's humor, right?

[18:12:46]

iamlindoro_:

ATI is an evil bitch-goddess on Linux in all its forms

[18:12:57]

Frosty-:

no, I've been told its not as good, but I just reinstalled the nvidia drivers and it has so much sanity checking its great

[18:13:39]

iamlindoro_:

ATI is a filthy scabby whore-mongrel

[18:13:42]

Frosty-:

I found files from an old version, do you want me to uninstall? || Shall I find a pre-compiled module based on your kernel? || Shall I compile one instead?

[18:14:18]

Frosty-:

on the local screen X is having a fit over no drivers, and is in a bash scripted loop to reload

[18:14:29]

Frosty-:

once the drivers are done, up pops mythtv in al its glory

[18:14:32]

Frosty-:

such an easy process

[18:16:44]

jarle:

is mysql also needed on a frontend only machine?

[18:16:51]

iamlindoro_:

only the client

[18:19:06]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, to be fair, only the client libs are needed

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iamlindoro_:

true true

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jarle:

mythfrontend says "QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded", even though mythtv compiled just fine...

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iamlindoro_:

apt-get install libqt3-mt-mysql

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jarle:

iamlindoro_: that did the trick, thnx!

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iamlindoro_:

np

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Frosty-:

how can I tell if its using v4l or kernel's own?

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psm321_:

is there any consensus on which is better hd-3000 vs. hd-5500? (wiki mentions signal issues w/ 5500, hard to find if that's been resolved)

[18:35:46]

iamlindoro_:

HD 5500 is two generations newer and rock solid

[18:36:00]

psm321_:

hmm

[18:36:16]

psm321_:

seemed to be a lot more complaints on the pchdtv forums for it

[18:36:25]

psm321_:

perhaps just because more people have it though

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iamlindoro_:

They're probably sold 100x more of them than then ever did the 3000... but buy what you like

[18:36:46]

iamlindoro_:

er they've

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psm321_:

any known disadvantages to the 3000? (other than lack of low profile)

[18:39:50]

iamlindoro_:

Aside from being discontinued?

[18:40:31]

iamlindoro_:

Having owned both, and a variety of other ATSC/QAM cards, I have never found the 5500 to have any signal issues-- in fact, It's the best of my QAM cards by far

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psm321_:

ok

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psm321_:

thanks

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psm321_:

iamlindoro_: any experience w/ captions on either of those cards? (was reading some old stuff that said they weren't supported)

[18:42:39]

iamlindoro_:

There's *absolutely* no way that captions are unsupported when you tune digitally

[18:42:51]

iamlindoro_:

some idiot was probably talking about using the NTSC mode

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iamlindoro_:

and even then, they should be there in the VBI

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iamlindoro_:

no, I have used captions on the 5500 successfully, although I'm not sure I even bothered to try on the 3000 as I never use CC

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selmanj:

I'm a bit technology-stupid; If I upgrade my cable television to digital (not HDTV), can I plug my cable line directly into my capture device, or do I have to use a set-top box to change channels and such?

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iamlindoro_:

depends on the capture device and which channels you intend to capture

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selmanj:

If I used my set-top box, is the standard solution to capture the otuput from the box and then use an IR repeater to change channels?

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iamlindoro_:

selmanj, That's more or less correct

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iamlindoro_:

although that solution is standard-def only

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selmanj:

Yeah I am still too cheap for an HDTV unfortunately.

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iamlindoro_:

Well, that's okay then :)

[18:47:36]

iamlindoro_:

Better than my having to explain the various limitations when you try

[18:47:51]

iamlindoro_:

The analog capture w/ STB is tried-and-true, and works well

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selmanj:

How does the HDHomerun work anyway? You hook it up in between your STB so you can capture the decrypted HDTV stream/

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iamlindoro_:

Nope

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sphery:

jams: If there exists a Storage Group with the name "DB Backups", any automatically created DB backups will be placed into that directory.

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sphery:

jams: The main reason that we didn't make a big deal about this is because it won't really affect 0.21 users since the only automatically created backup they'

[18:49:21]

sphery:

ll get is the one on upgrade from 0.20.

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iamlindoro_:

selmanj, With the HDHomeRun, and indeed all digital tuners, you can capture unencrypted ATSC/QAM streams only-- in most cases, this means local and network TV *only*. You *cannot* use a STB to decrypt these streams

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iamlindoro_:

ie it takes a signal straight out of the wall

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selmanj:

iamlindoro_: what about after your STB decrypts it and sends it to the tv?

[18:50:09]

iamlindoro_:

It's no longer QAM/Digital then

[18:50:20]

iamlindoro_:

just because it's a coaxial cable doesn't mean it's still the same format

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jams:

sphery- thats what i thought. Was just attempting to run mythexport, which uses the perl bindings. It was unable to find the file because it was looking in the db backup group. After removing the DB SG it was able to find the file.

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selmanj:

Are there no cards that capture HDMI ?

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jams:

sphery- couldn't remember if I created the DB SG or not

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iamlindoro_:

Can't be done (Currently). There is a capture device on the horizon that will capture HD signal via Component outs from a STB, but it's not yet available

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selmanj:

Ahhh

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hnitsuj:

not ever likely to be a HDMI capture device which will work with set to boxes either

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sphery:

jams: As of now, it doesn't really need to exist, so no harm in creating it. You'l be able to re-create it by selecting the "Create DB Backups group" button.

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hnitsuj:

s/to/top

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sphery:

s/creating/deleting/

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sphery:

jams: In "a future version of Myth," database backups will be done on a daily basis. At this point, it will make a lot of sense to define a DB Backups directory--especially if you want backups stored on a different filesystem from, i.e., the recordings.

[18:53:55]

jams:

still seems like something is wrong with the perl bindings.

[18:54:46]

jams:

sphery- and i would want it stored someplace else. having the backups stored in the same directory as media causes alarms to go off when myth_findorphans is run

[18:55:19]

sphery:

So mythexport is using the perl bindings?

[18:55:26]

jams:

yep

[18:55:50]

sphery:

Got a ref to mythexport?

[18:56:01]

jams:

certain of that cause it complained about missing a config.xml file

[18:56:28]

sphery:

I can't find the script...

[18:56:44]

jams:

http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/mythexport

[18:56:58]

sphery:

Is it created by the ubuntu guys?

[18:57:11]

jams:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythExport

[18:57:20]

jams:

yes i think it is

[18:57:32]

jams:

or at least the current revision is

[18:57:48]

sphery:

nice wiki page, at least. :)

[18:57:54]

jams:

i was just talking to the guy in another channel.

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** sphery has never understood Debian's packaging tarballs with <name>_<ver> and untar'ed dirs with <name>-<ver> **

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sphery:

annoying for autocomplete

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suihkulokki:

ok.. just updated to .21 and nothing gets recorded..

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tim1:

hi mythtv volume dose not seem to working normally y when i pres mute nothing happens even when i turn ip up or down, only mutes when i pres – on the keyboard.

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rhpot1991_laptop:

sphery: I noticed an issue with the perl bindings, it seems that it needs config.xml which (correct me if I am wrong) is created by the frontend, yet the bindings should be able to run on a backend only box

[19:08:10]

psm321_:

heh i hope db backups dont ever happen on a daily basis (unless they can be disabled)... with the size of my db that would fill up my hard drive quite quickly

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sphery:

rhpot1991_laptop: No backends found. Please copy $conf/config.xml from a working MythTV installation instead.

[19:08:51]

psm321_:

iamlindoro_: btw in regards to the captions, the comment i saw was in regards to the ntsc mode

[19:08:57]

sphery:

rhpot1991_laptop: We don't support the use of the old mysql.txt file, anymore. The easiest way to get a config.xml is to run mythfrontend once (somewhere on the net).

[19:09:19]

rhpot1991_laptop:

sphery: it says to copy it specifically though?

[19:09:23]

psm321_:

hmm? when did mysql.txt disappear?

[19:09:41]

sphery:

rhpot1991_laptop: that's the error message it should give if it can't find a backend.

[19:09:42]

iamlindoro_:

psm321_, Nobody should be wasting a nice ATSC card on framebuffer mode, anyway

[19:09:43]

jams:

psm321- it didn't disappear, itcan still be used.

[19:09:55]

jams:

just not with the perl bindings

[19:09:58]

psm321_:

ah

[19:10:17]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: fully agreed. frame grabber with ATSC card is so 1990

[19:10:23]

rhpot1991_laptop:

jams: is that the error message that you saw?

[19:10:48]

psm321_:

iamlindoro_: well i'd prefer my card to be flexible in that regard... (especially if it can be dynamically switched... havent researched enough to find out if it can)

[19:11:18]

sphery:

psm321_: technically, mysql.txt is supposed to disappear. However, we're in a "transition" mode now. It will eventually disappear (and the DBPassword will be removed from the config.xml) to make for a better configuration.

[19:11:25]

iamlindoro_:

psm321_, Use of a framegrabber *period* is bad news

[19:11:39]

jams:

rhpot1991_laptop- yes thats the error after install net:upnp and removing config.xml

[19:12:08]

hashbang:

For FC8 users: www.assursys.co.uk/people/alex/mythtv/v4l-dvb-kmod-Hg20080317–1.2.6.24.3_1 2.fc8.src.rpm 18MB

[19:12:11]

psm321_:

sphery: so what exactly is config.xml? does it replace storing the config in the db? or is it an xml-ized equivaent of mysql.txt?

[19:12:34]

psm321_:

iamlindoro_: i would agree with you for the most part, but it does have certain advantages...

[19:12:41]

iamlindoro_:

psm321, Oh *do* tell

[19:12:43]

iamlindoro_:

;)

[19:12:50]

psm321_:

file size

[19:12:54]

sphery:

rhpot1991_laptop: Also make sure you install Net::UPnP::QueryResponse as installing Net::UPnP doesn't necessarily install QueryResponse and both are required. See http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4754

[19:13:01]

psm321_:

i'm always running tight on hard disk space

[19:13:18]

iamlindoro_:

psm321_, ?? versus variable bandwidth on a hardware encoder which takes practically 0 CPU?

[19:13:22]

psm321_:

recording in mpeg at minimum bitrate first and then transcoding requires more free space

[19:13:27]

rhpot1991_laptop:

sphery: thanks for the heads up, I'll add it as a dependency

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black_Nightmare_:

hey ^-^

[19:13:37]

sphery:

psm321_: It's an xml-ized equivalent of mysql.txt that's used with the UPnP autodiscovery

[19:14:34]

sphery:

rhpot1991_laptop: Yeah. I'd like to see xris get the patch on #4754 into 0.21-fixes as many people seem to think that the UPnP stuff doesn't work, but it's only because they haven't installed all deps (though they've installed the one the error message mentions).

[19:14:38]

psm321_:

iamlindoro_: like i said, i agree with you for the most part... its just the disk space issue... which is why i still have my 1 framegrabber set to higher priority than my 3 mpeg cards

[19:15:00]

iamlindoro_:

yuck

[19:15:18]

psm321_:

i have unusual mythtv usage patterns

[19:15:25]

sphery:

750GB HDD for $129 means running short on disk space shouldn't happen, anymore... :)

[19:15:31]

iamlindoro_:

You have unusual MythTV configuration patterns

[19:15:31]

psm321_:

heh i wish

[19:15:47]

psm321_:

iamlindoro_: hmm?

[19:16:06]

psm321_:

sphery: where do you get a 750 for $129?

[19:16:09]

sphery:

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=ST3750640AS-R

[19:16:10]

iamlindoro_:

Anyone setting their framegrabber to higher priority than their hardware encoders has a screw loose

[19:16:18]

sphery:

somehow I knew you were going to ask.

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psm321_:

iamlindoro_: ok, if you say so...

[19:16:56]

psm321_:

sphery: heh, refurb

[19:17:01]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: Though the argument can be made that the application of encoding filters can improve quality.

[19:17:12]

sphery:

psm321_: Yeah. I have a refurb that's working great.

[19:17:37]

iamlindoro_:

sphery, Feh! More disk space + digital only tuning + Watch your TV you packrats = Win! ;)

[19:17:49]

** black_Nightmare_ just looks at the channel and shakes head **

[19:17:52]

black_Nightmare_:

^-^ heh

[19:18:02]

psm321_:

iamlindoro_: even with my mpeg cards i transcode afterwards anyway... all i'm doing by using them is making the cpu requirement non-relatime

[19:18:26]

psm321_:

and yes, i'm a packrat... that's the root cause of my problem

[19:19:15]

iamlindoro_:

Oooohhh, libavcodec demuxer finally fixed for HDMV stuff

[19:19:54]

sphery:

psm321_: It's only $10 more for a non-refurb, though. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152100

[19:20:13]

black_Nightmare_:

any of you had any experience with STB and/or kworld tv tuners out of curiousity?

[19:20:27]

** sphery believes that the difference between a refurb and a non-refurb is that the refurb works (because someone got it and couldn't make it work, so the company actually tested it before sending it out) **

[19:20:35]

psm321_:

sphery: i tend to restrict my hdd buying to seagate, though i guess it couldnt hurt to try a new brand

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psm321_:

sphery: i'd still need more open sata ports though :)

[19:21:03]

sphery:

Most all of the HDD's sent back to manufacturers actually work and the user was clueless.

[19:21:14]

psm321_:

not to mention case space (no more room on top of the case unless i start stacking)

[19:21:23]

sphery:

psm321_: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148298 = +10 for non-refurb + 10 for Seagate = $149.99

[19:21:42]

psm321_:

cool, thanks

[19:21:49]

xris:

sphery: it's odd about that, though — cpan should pull down the other as a dependency for the first.

[19:21:57]

rhpot1991_laptop:

plus the new one has a 5 year warranty

[19:22:00]

psm321_:

last time i looked 750 was more per GB than a 500, looks like that's changed

[19:22:02]

rhpot1991_laptop:

compared to 180 days for the refirb

[19:22:13]

Frosty-:

some manufacturers demand a run of their software to prove its faulty

[19:22:34]

psm321_:

if only the price was at that point 2 months ago i wouldve bought 2 750's instead of 2 500's

[19:22:38]

sphery:

xris: from what I understand, Net::UPnP::QueryResponse is not required for Net::UPnP operation, but it's required for the way we use Net::UPnP

[19:22:38]

Frosty-:

do any other manufacturers do 5yr warranty other than seagate?

[19:23:46]

Frosty-:

does LVM raid5 support online expansion and upsizing?

[19:23:54]

sphery:

Frosty-: their software is generally so useless that it will error out if you misconfigure things. I know because I can make any HDD diagnostic tool error out. (Many assume things like FAT32 partitions, or a DOS-compatible partition table or ...)

[19:24:32]

psm321_:

sphery: odd, most of the software i've seen just does hardware tests, ignoring the actual data on the drive

[19:24:41]

xris:

sphery: but Net::UPnP::ControlPoint should require Net::UPnP::QueryResponse... you install the first, the second should come along with it.

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Frosty-:

maxtor sent you the hdd with a pre-paid envelope to send the faulty one back only if you completed their diagnostics software and submitted a valid fail checksum

[19:25:14]

sphery:

Frosty-: I /highly/ recommend you only use RAID in 0.21+ for redundancy--not for "growing" your storage space. Use multiple separate filesystems to grow your storage space and it has big benefits (to fragmentation, to load balancing, ...)

[19:25:23]

Frosty-:

yeah the maxtor software did bit-level checks

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psm321_:

sphery: disadvantages too, but i agree mostly advantages

[19:26:28]

sphery:

xris: It may also be a bug in the installer for it. When I did an "i Net::UPnP::QueryResponse" it looked like it was partially installed until I explicitly installed it.

[19:26:29]

psm321_:

(easier to run out of free space when youre running tight... especially if you have a transcode then delete pattern)

[19:26:41]

Frosty-:

sphery, the question was outside of mythtv use. I have a hardware card that has those features, on a different box. Was wondering if I could of saved myself $600 by going linux only

[19:26:55]

sphery:

Oh.

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sphery:

I don't know anything about non-MythTV stuff. :)

[19:27:10]

Frosty-:

As I was buying 500gb drives, knowing I would eventually want to upgrade to 750 or osmething in the much later future

[19:27:23]

xris:

sphery: odd

[19:27:30]

Frosty-:

it propped up and made me ask, I'll keep such outbursts to myself

[19:27:32]

xris:

but yeah, I'll be applying the patch. just haven't had time.

[19:27:36]

sphery:

xris: Maybe you (a Perl guru) can fix the Net::UPnP package itself. :)

[19:27:46]

xris:

spent most of last week cleaning house for my birthday party on saturday

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Thomas-:

sphery: I disagree on using RAID to grow storage

[19:28:15]

Thomas-:

If used properly raid and LVM is teh shit :)

[19:28:29]

psm321_:

Frosty-: i dont know what LVM raid5 is, but if youre just talking about LVM for joining together multiple drives, you can expand volumes on the fly, but you could only resize the fs while mounted if the fs allowed it (not aware fo any that do)

[19:29:23]

iamlindoro_:

JFS IIRC

[19:29:25]

Thomas-:

I prefer linux raid i.e. md and then LVM and then crypto on the sensitive parts and just filesystem on mythtv kind of data

[19:29:33]

psm321_:

of course youd need hardware support for hotplugging anyway if you really wanted to do hotplugging

[19:29:46]

sphery:

xris: Yeah. I'm not blaming you for not having it applied, yet. I was just hoping.

[19:29:52]

psm321_:

iamlindoro_: jfs requires mount -o remount,resize

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xris:

:)

[19:30:02]

xris:

sphery: can just blame me getting old/forgetful. :)

[19:30:05]

psm321_:

iamlindoro_: but i would not recommend jfs to anyone

[19:30:14]

** xris ponders how to make naturally-colored green beer for tonight. **

[19:30:21]

xris:

or if it's even possible to turn stout green.

[19:30:33]

** sphery is pretty sure xris is younger than him **

[19:30:40]

iamlindoro_:

spirulina! It'll taste like ass, but be green n' natural

[19:30:44]

xris:

sphery: possibly. I turned 31 today

[19:30:54]

iamlindoro_:

erm sorry, I meant wheatgrass

[19:31:06]

sphery:

been 35 (for almost half a year now)

[19:31:12]

xris:

iamlindoro: I think I'll go with one of my wife's professional frosting colors if I do...

[19:31:18]

xris:

sphery: so not that much older than me. :)

[19:31:23]

iamlindoro_:

although apparently I also meant spirulina

[19:31:54]

iamlindoro_:

xris, yes frosting sounds more palatable :

[19:31:56]

iamlindoro_:

:)

[19:32:13]

xris:

iamlindoro_: well, more that the colors have no flavor, either.

[19:32:27]

xris:

spirulina doesn't taste all that much at all, though.

[19:32:35]

xris:

just kind of gritty for a coloring agent

[19:32:44]

iamlindoro_:

Never notice by the third beer

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black_Nightmare_:

just had to ask out of curiousity but...

[19:33:34]

black_Nightmare_:

is component to vga a straightforward adapt or not?

[19:35:13]

PatrickDK:

depends, but normally not

[19:35:26]

PatrickDK:

most component video is based on yuv, not rbg

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black_Nightmare_:

ah ok thanks

[19:35:39]

sphery:

xris: I'm thinking you'll have to go with a good pale ale and blue food coloring or something.

[19:35:48]

black_Nightmare_:

was wondering for a moment when I saw the a/v store had these component>vga boxes marked as $80 .. makes sense now

[19:36:22]

xris:

sphery: eww. :)

[19:36:24]

xris:

too light

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sphery:

:)

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sphery:

xris: wonder if you could get your scotch to turn green...

[19:37:38]

sphery:

Or, more appropriately, some Irish Whiskey.

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** iamlindoro_ goes off on the monthly patch-ffmpeg-n-mplayer adventure **

[19:39:28]

xris:

sphery: I've done green scotch by accident (open brazing weld on my flask)... not a good thing

[19:39:41]

xris:

no whiskey in my collection at the moment, though...

[19:39:44]

sphery:

lol. Not exactly what I meant...

[19:40:44]

sphery:

xris: any chance you have some time to look at mythexport's use of MythTV::StorageGroup ( http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/mythexport ). jams was saying it was using the DB Backups storage group's directory for his recording file.

[19:41:00]

sphery:

I haven't been able to figure out how StorageGroup is supposed to be used.

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keith4_:

what bitrate is mpeg2, dvd video?

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iamlindoro_:

1 Kbit through 9800 kbit

[19:47:20]

keith4_:

thankyousir

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iamlindoro_:

np

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Frosty-:

how come some people have hosts like name@random/stuff/here

[19:50:36]

Thomas-:

?

[19:51:04]

AndyCap:

Frosty-: cloaking

[19:51:19]

sphery:

http://username@<hostname>/ would use a username to access the http site. http://username:pass@<hostname>/ would use name and password.

[19:51:29]

Frosty-:

is that available to anyone is it a requested thing

[19:51:48]

PatrickDK:

heh, http://username:password@hostname:port/url

[19:52:03]

Frosty-:

url is the whole string not just the last part :)

[19:52:04]

AndyCap:

Frosty-: depends. project cloaks are available to project participants. generic is available to anyone. I'd check freenode.net

[19:52:15]

Frosty-:

ok thanks AndyCap, sorry for OT

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PatrickDK:

well, rest of url

[19:52:19]

AndyCap:

and we're not talking about url's are we

[19:52:25]

AndyCap:

:)

[19:52:25]

PatrickDK:

should I just have said path :)

[19:52:37]

PatrickDK:

uri

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sphery:

s/b c

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lostboy1:

greetings, i upgraded to mythtv-0.21 this past weekend, and now my nightly backup script fails when calling /usr/share/mythtv/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl, complaining I don't have Net::UPnP:ControlPoint installed

[20:07:09]

lostboy1:

I thought maybe installing Net:UPnP via CPAN would work, but I still get the error

[20:07:15]

lostboy1:

any suggestions?

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iamlindoro_:

believe that is a missing config.xml in the ~/.mythtv if the user running the job, but I may be wrong on that

[20:08:21]

iamlindoro_:

in this case, your backend user

[20:09:01]

lostboy1:

iamlindoro_: yes, it is telling me to copy a ~/.mythtv/config.xml from a working user, but I can't find one anywhere

[20:09:50]

iamlindoro_:

I *believe* any user who has started the frontend should have a config.xml file there

[20:10:10]

iamlindoro_:

It's all newish so it's new to me too

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lostboy1:

iamlindoro_: ah! I found it, i forgot my frontend was running under a different user, that's why I didn't see it when I looked

[20:13:11]

lostboy1:

iamlindoro_: thanks!! that fixed it :-)

[20:13:15]

iamlindoro_:

no prob

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foo8ar:

Frosty, are you there?

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foo8ar:

I'm trying to enable toslink on my macmini

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darkwizzard:

what would cause video shadows during live tv

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PatrickDK:

darkwizzard, you mean ghosts?

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darkwizzard:

kinda

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darkwizzard:

more like out line

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darkwizzard:

on the white prts only

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darkwizzard:

parts

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fus10nx:

Anyone know if Happaguage 1800's would work well with MythTV?

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iamlindoro_:

They have no stable drivers, experimental only

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fus10nx:

really?

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fus10nx:

that sucks

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iamlindoro_:

and even then only half of it IIRC

[20:29:18]

iamlindoro_:

No need to ask these questions in here, though, all video card support info is found on the linuxtv.org wikis

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psymin:

How long did it take pchdtv to ship the cards to you guys? Mine hasn't taken too long yet, I'm just eager :)

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fus10nx:

wow. i bought 4 of them for my MediaPortal software and was hoping if I dont like Media Portal I could just use htem with MytvTV

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fus10nx:

oh well

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iamlindoro_:

fus10nx, The driver is in active development, It should be the first with full support of the HVRs, I beleive

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iamlindoro_:

psymin, Probably got it in a week from what I remember

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fus10nx:

the Happague (sp) 1800's? Really?

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1800

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iamlindoro_:

last edit of that page was December, so experimental drivers may well have progressed to full support

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iamlindoro_:

easiest to ask about Hg/Experimental drivers in #linuxtv, though

[20:32:27]

iamlindoro_:

Hahaha, *this* is funny, I just svn up'ed and patched the crap out of mplayer and then they add a revision I've been dying for 1 revision after

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jarle:

iamlindoro: what is the latest addition to mplayer?

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iamlindoro_:

It's nothing major, just makes the ffmpeg MPEG-2 decoder the default instead of libmpeg2

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iamlindoro_:

But there are some other ts demuxer patches floating around that I needed to patch with so I needed to do it anyway

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sphery:

s/b c

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sphery:

wow. I'm doing that a lot today...

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, is it me, or are there bits missing from kotor2? ;)

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iamlindoro_:

directhex, Not just you-- thought we talked about this?

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iamlindoro_:

Oh

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iamlindoro_:

haha

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iamlindoro_:

I'm an idiot, missed the wink

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, having now finished i, it's easier to spot the gaps

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iamlindoro_:

directhex, The revamp guys seem to be close to a release, finally

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, as i said, been using the xbox version#

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iamlindoro_:

oh right

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directhex:

i might actually watch the movies at some point

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fus10nx:

iamlindoro: which cards do you use?

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iamlindoro_:

fus10nx, For what?

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fus10nx:

recording tv

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fus10nx:

HDTV

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iamlindoro_:

Ah, I currently am using a Kworld 115, a HD 5500, and firewire w/ two cable boxes... have also had/used an Avermedia A180, HD 3000, and a Kworld 110

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fus10nx:

2 cable boxes?

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fus10nx:

why 2?

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fus10nx:

also, are you in the US?

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** black_Nightmare_ still wonders why I can't find any nice cable boxes at the stores -_- **

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black_Nightmare_:

maybe canada just isn't considered as worthy as usa :/

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iamlindoro_:

fus10nx, two because then I can record two things from any of my channels at once, and yes, in the US

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Nikas:

Yo! What's wrong when "Remote" in MythWeb tells me "XXXXX is not responding."?

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iamlindoro_:

black_Nightmare_, You can't buy cable boxes in the store here, either... at least, not whilst expecting them to work on cable

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fus10nx:

iamlindoro: why not just get multiple, dual tuner cards?

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fus10nx:

also, who is ure cable/sat provider?

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fus10nx:

I'm using comcast

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iamlindoro_:

fus10nx, I get all of my channels via firewire off the cable box, no need for a tuner with them, and I'm with Comcast also

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black_Nightmare_:

iamlindoro...well there's one startv (or whatever that was called) .. two basic motorola .. and one that didn't have any name somewhere oddly... and none of the four even had what I was looking for esepcially on the rear

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black_Nightmare_:

^-^

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black_Nightmare_:

makes me wondering if usa is hoarding all the good models or its just this area

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fus10nx:

wait, u get them all off of firewire? how the heck does that work, i dont get it

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xris:

fus10nx: it's up to the local provider

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XLV:

iamlindoro, you change channels on the stbs with ir blaster, or is there some way through firewire?

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iamlindoro_:

fus10nx, it is possible (technically) to get a video stream via firewire off a firewire-enabled cable box. It is extremely uncommon to get more than local channels that way, however.

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iamlindoro_:

XLV, via firewire

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directhex:

XLV, depends on the box

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xris:

some just give you all channels, some only pass the non-encrypted ones

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iamlindoro_:

fus10nx, in my case I get all (well, except one) channel... so I have two Digital QAM tuners which mostly get news, local, and Network channels, and I get all of those channels plus all the rest via the STBs

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black_Nightmare_:

heh iamlindoro..that was one of the thing I wanted to see about finding a box for ... local channel via firewire

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black_Nightmare_:

but then I guess it doesn't really matter if it turns out to be a difficult idea in this area

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iamlindoro_:

If you guys are allowed to use your own cable boxes, it's still one up on us

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fus10nx:

iamlindoro: i am trying to eliminate my STB and just get multiple tuners

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fus10nx:

and have it all in 1 box

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fus10nx:

but I really only watch the HD channels (in the 800's)

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iamlindoro_:

fus10nx, That may or may not be a good idea-- you need to realize that bare digital tuners will only get unencrypted channels, not all your paid-for channels... in most cases that is Network Tv and local/community channels *only*

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iamlindoro_:

You can probably get HD network Tv (NBC, ABC, etc) via a digital tuner w/o set Top Box, but that is likely all

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fus10nx:

hmmm ok

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fus10nx:

what a pain

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fus10nx:

so there's no point

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fus10nx:

it gets too complicated to user a seperate DVR

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fus10nx:

i was hoping i could just get a splitter, split my line 3 ways, 3 tuner cards and then just control it the same way

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iamlindoro_:

Well, you might try doing as I do, and as others do-- See what you can get via firewire in your area. If you get more than locals, it is extremely cool and fun

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fus10nx:

but then u need 2 sepeate remotes? 1 to control Comcast, and 1 to control Myth"?

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iamlindoro_:

No, Myth does all the controlling of the boxes via firewire

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** black_Nightmare_ still thinks of greyfox's photo of there's own motorola box that had firewire on it **

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fus10nx:

ah i c

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fus10nx:

so

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fus10nx:

u get ALL channels over firewire?

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iamlindoro_:

All except for TBS HD, strangely.

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fus10nx:

and it sends the video/audio stream over firewire?

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iamlindoro_:

Yes.

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fus10nx:

interesting

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henkie:

where can i find information about iptv/udp in combo with mythtv?

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fus10nx:

i wonder if that media portal software can do that

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iamlindoro_:

I just want to continue to caution you that it is uncommon-- but not unheard of

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fus10nx:

so no point in tuner cards

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black_Nightmare_:

iamlindoro...heh like in another word its not popular but then not a very tiny group thats barely heard of — right? ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Not no point-- I personally give my digital tuners higher priority than the firewire tuners

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fus10nx:

to be honest, i jus wan the 800 channels

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iamlindoro_:

black_Nightmare_, basically

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fus10nx:

thats all i watch

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iamlindoro_:

fus10nx, I get all my network TV in HD via the digital tuner cards, so I record all network TV off of them, I trust them far more than I trust firewire

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fus10nx:

ok

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fus10nx:

so

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fus10nx:

the Happague (if supported) will do what I want?

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fus10nx:

without firewire, multiple STB's,etc. etc.

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iamlindoro_:

It'll probably allow you to receive network Tv in HD, yes, with the experimental drivers

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iamlindoro_:

but again, probably just network/locals

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iamlindoro_:

don't expect to tune Discovery HD w/ a QAM card, it's profoundly unlikely

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fus10nx:

well i dont use HBO or any of them

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fus10nx:

just like, the usual channels

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fus10nx:

really?

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iamlindoro_:

fus10nx, expect NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, and maybe the WB

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fus10nx:

whats a QAM?

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iamlindoro_:

QAM is the digital cable modulation type

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fus10nx:

i c

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iamlindoro_:

Do *not* expect discovery HD, NGC HD, etc.

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iamlindoro_:

If you are *lucky* you can tune those via firewire in your area, but that's your best and probably only shot

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fus10nx:

wow

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fus10nx:

that really, really sucks.

[21:04:54]

fus10nx:

that really, really sucks.?

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fus10nx:

errr

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fus10nx:

even if I get a different card?

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iamlindoro_:

Yup, the card has nothing to do with it

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fus10nx:

why cant i jus take the tuner built into the comcast box and put it in my box? ha ha

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iamlindoro_:

Because the tuner has 0 to do with it

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fus10nx:

wow

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iamlindoro_:

It's all the encryption/decryption stuff

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fus10nx:

that makes me really sad :(

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fus10nx:

well

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fus10nx:

i wonder if satellite would allow for this type of stuff

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iamlindoro_:

A bit ahead of yourself to get all sad before finding otu what you can get via QAM/firewire, no?

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fus10nx:

and ill jus switch from comcast

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iamlindoro_:

fus10nx, No

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fus10nx:

ya, well my stuff gets here tomorrow

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fus10nx:

so ill be testing then

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iamlindoro_:

The tuners you have will *never* work with Sat, and you will never be able to tuner Sat digitally in the US

[21:06:37]

iamlindoro_:

er tune Sat

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fus10nx:

well if i got different ones of course

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iamlindoro_:

Nope

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iamlindoro_:

never

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fus10nx:

really?

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iamlindoro_:

really.

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fus10nx:

so my best bet is with cable

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iamlindoro_:

You can capture Satellite with an analog tuner in Sd, that's the best you're gonna do

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TheAsp:

face it, we are all going to get boned in the long run

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fus10nx:

ya...so no provider allows uf ull control it seems

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iamlindoro_:

best bet is with cable. if you're lucky, you can stack up a few cable boxes, get everything via firewire, and be perfectly happy.

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TheAsp:

i know a guy using some dvb card with dish getting hd

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iamlindoro_:

TheAsp, It's illegal

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TheAsp:

shhh

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directhex:

evilness!

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TheAsp:

iamlindoro: doing what we are doing is going to be illegal at some point...

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iamlindoro_:

TheAsp, doubtful, fair use is fairly well tested and sanctified

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iamlindoro_:

Oh to be a fly on the wall in the PMs that are probably going on right now...

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fus10nx:

i am so bummed, i was hoping to get it all down to 1 box in a fairly simple way

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iamlindoro_:

Move to Europe, you'll be all set :)

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iamlindoro_:

And in a better video codec

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black_Nightmare_:

hehehe

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directhex:

hurrah for the european master race

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directhex:

all will bow before us and our h264

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iamlindoro_:

I do believe there was quite enough of that last millenium

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directhex:

especially iamlindoro_. he's my bitch

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** iamlindoro_ nods sadly **

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black_Nightmare_:

heh

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kslater:

have you guys heard any (more) about the Hauppauge device that takes compoenent in and spits out MPEG-4 (h264?) over USB?

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iamlindoro_:

RSN

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kslater:

as in coming RSN?

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iamlindoro_:

yep

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** black_Nightmare_ hadn't ever been interested in usb that much so no comment **

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iamlindoro_:

That's *not* no comment

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kslater:

that would be a sweet device

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iamlindoro_:

Yep, it will be

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directhex:

it'll also feature an integrated laser cannon and waffle iron

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iamlindoro_:

well, an extremely low powered laser cannon, sorta

[21:24:09]

iamlindoro_:

and depending on heat output, maybe a waffle iron too

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kslater:

it would be a nice addition to my current setup, but I need to upgrade my main frontend so that it can decode hd first

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black_Nightmare_:

hm...

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black_Nightmare_:

damn...creative having a sale but I dunno about trying order right today -_-

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AndyCap:

laserwaffles

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black_Nightmare_:

either way http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?c . . . product=4915 if anyone need one of these card itself :p

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black_Nightmare_:

^_^

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Dillweed:

howdy, trying to get the new mythweather running but in the screen section of setup it is blank and I can't input any sources. Anyone have some ideas on how to fix this?

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rhpot1991:

do backends no longer share out recordings with storage groups?

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rhpot1991:

I am seeing this in a log when trying to play a recording that is on a 2nd backend: Could not connect to server "" @ port -1

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Dillweed:

join perl

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iamlindoro_:

No, you do it.

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sentinel23:

lol

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sentinel23:

hey hey... does the watch list just look at the one value in the "recorded" table?

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sentinel23:

I'm going to assume yes. I was hoping there would be a keybinding in the FE, or a button in mythweb, but if I can just flip the bit in the DB that's fine with me

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fus10nx:

Also, does MythTV have a "commerical skip" plugin or anything?

[22:03:09]

fus10nx:

and, also, another killer feature would be editing of the recorded videos

[22:03:18]

fus10nx:

so u can set markers and then trim off whatever you dont want

[22:04:02]

GreyFoxx:

yer trolling right ?>

[22:04:06]

GreyFoxx:

Myth does both of those

[22:04:26]

fus10nx:

it does?

[22:04:29]

fus10nx:

by default?

[22:04:32]

fus10nx:

stfu, really?

[22:04:38]

GreyFoxx:

yes

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fus10nx:

ok let me ask u this

[22:04:46]

GreyFoxx:

you can enable it all

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fus10nx:

can MythTV also play back my x264 files, my mp3's, etc. etc. ?

[22:05:01]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[22:05:02]

fus10nx:

like a whole media center platform

[22:05:04]

fus10nx:

for real?

[22:05:11]

GreyFoxx:

it is a whole media center :)

[22:05:16]

fus10nx:

and its only linux based correct?

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GreyFoxx:

there is a win32 port effort going on,m but it''s not ready for primetime

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fus10nx:

k

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rhpot1991:

anyone here have an antec fusion v2 with the IR receiver?

[22:05:55]

fus10nx:

well i think for now im gonna use Media Portal

[22:06:06]

fus10nx:

no. I am using the basic Windows Media Center one

[22:06:10]

fus10nx:

will that work with it actually?

[22:06:36]

fus10nx:

or whats the "best" remote for MythTV?

[22:06:46]

GreyFoxx:

*shrug*

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GreyFoxx:

I use the MCE remote on my primary frontend

[22:07:00]

fus10nx:

oh nice

[22:07:01]

GreyFoxx:

and various other remotes on my other frontends

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Thomas-:

mce remote is teh shit

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fus10nx:

i purchased a bunch of the Happague 1800s and they each came with a MCE remote

[22:07:15]

fus10nx:

really?

[22:07:16]

Thomas-:

you can point it in any direction, still works good

[22:07:19]

fus10nx:

I have the black one

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fus10nx:

so how does the commerical skip work? it jus skips ahead 30 seconds?

[22:07:53]

GreyFoxx:

that would hardly be commercial skipping

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directhex:

that would be skipping 30 seconds

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fus10nx:

ya, thats why i am asking :)

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GreyFoxx:

it tries to autodetect commercials and if yuou enable it then it will auto skioop them during playback

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directhex:

there are assorted settings as to how it scans for commercials

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fus10nx:

this is what i Got: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx? . . . 2fMCE+Remote

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fus10nx:

GreyFoxx: and what if it cant detect them? just plays normal?

[22:08:50]

fus10nx:

thats so frickin awesome

[22:09:08]

fus10nx:

what's the actual name of this, in the settings...like "ComSkip" or something?

[22:10:17]

fus10nx:

also, what about remote scheudling ... like through a web interface...that all in there too?

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directhex:

mythweb?

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directhex:

yes

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fus10nx:

wow

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fus10nx:

i gotta try it

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fus10nx:

cant wait for tomorrow

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fus10nx:

its coming down to either MythTV or Media Portal

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fus10nx:

cant decide so i gotta test both tomorrow

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fus10nx:

Virtual Machine would work for now :)

[22:11:10]

fus10nx:

ohhhhh snap I just realized something

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fus10nx:

ahhhh ok

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directhex:

you won't be able to use ant tv tuners inside a VM

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directhex:

which largely defeats the object

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fus10nx:

oh?

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fus10nx:

ya

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fus10nx:

i guess

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fus10nx:

ill jus have 2 seperate HD's

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fus10nx:

nah actually dual boot

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fus10nx:

so if I keep my STB (comcast) I should be able to capture all channels

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Thomas-:

directhex: yes you can

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Thomas-:

directhex: atleast xen allows you to give direct access to pcidevices

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Thomas-:

I'm sure vmware and the likes work in a similar manner

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directhex:

Thomas-, not arbitrary pci devices

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neb_:

don't think you can with vmwoe

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: I'm here

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neb_:

or well, only selected products

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fus10nx:

either way ill jus dual boot for now to test both

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directhex:

vmware allows usb device passthrough, but not pci

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fus10nx:

my biggest thing is getting all my channels

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Thomas-:

I have atleast given xen domu's hardware access to ports on a quad fastethernet card (no not bridgeing)

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Thomas-:

using pci addressing in the configuration file

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directhex:

fus10nx, how do you intend to work through the set-top box? an IR blaster, or firewire?

[22:14:47]

fus10nx:

well i was talking to someone earlier about this, i suppose IR Blaster would be best

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purserj:

any australians here?

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fus10nx:

directhex: why do u asl?

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fus10nx:

ask*

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Rigolo_:

LOL ... asl please :-)

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directhex:

fus10nx, you said you wanted all your channels. it makes a difference

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fus10nx:

ha ha

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fus10nx:

oh ok

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fus10nx:

so which will give me ALL

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directhex:

Rigolo_, 14/f/ca. everyone on the internet is 14/f/ca

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Rigolo_:

okee :-)

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purserj:

for the interest of the australians in the room – http://jamespurser.com.au/blog/MythNews_ABC_Australia_Entries

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directhex:

fus10nx, using an ir blaster and an analog capture card – but SD only

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fus10nx:

oh no, i need my HD

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Rigolo_:

any dutch users here with dvb-c on the @home network?

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directhex:

fus10nx, how do you intend to capture HD from your set-top box?

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fus10nx:

through the Happague cards

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fus10nx:

Hauppauge

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GreyFoxx:

they wont record hdtv through the settop box

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directhex:

fus10nx, you can't capture HD from s-video or composite

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fus10nx:

I was jus gonna plug in the coax to get the channels...no?

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directhex:

fus10nx, and hauppauge have not yet released their component HD capture device

[22:18:05]

fus10nx:

well I mean you guys tell me, whats the best way

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Dibblah:

Rigolo_: Right. Sorry – had to put the bin out :)

[22:18:10]

Rigolo_:

Dibblah: I know the feeling ... just let the dog back in :-)

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NightMonkey:

I'm interested in buying an HD card to prep for HD, but want to get one with good SD performance (and S-video input). This is to replace a PVR-350 (used for both input and output). This is in NTSC-land.

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directhex:

coax passthrough? GreyFoxx, take over, all this yank crap confuses me

[22:18:36]

Dibblah:

The issue is that NITo is only supposed to list (according to the DVB specifications) other networks that may be accessible on the network.

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GreyFoxx:

Too busy eating support to say much :)

[22:18:49]

Dibblah:

(physical network, that is)

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** iamlindoro__ is pretty sure he covered this in painful detail earlier **

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fus10nx:

heh

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Dibblah:

And Myth is basically implementing the standard at the moment.

[22:19:07]

fus10nx:

iamlindoro: yes and no.

[22:19:12]

fus10nx:

cus i came with a new theory

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iamlindoro__:

all your theories are belong to crap

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fus10nx:

why cant i do like a round robin or something

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Dibblah:

Therefore it only really looks at the NITa.

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fus10nx:

ha ha

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iamlindoro__:

trust us, if it's been thought of, it's been debunked

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: but that is also what @home is doing ... it is just that not all users can see those networks

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fus10nx:

like...have the STB decode, then stream the decoded signal to the MythTV box or osmething

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Dibblah:

And the NITo sections conflict.

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** iamlindoro__ goes to quote himself from earlier **

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: but you can not even "correct" this via the setup

[22:20:21]

Dibblah:

Yes, you can.

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Dibblah:

But not in a good way.

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: how? I did everything I could think of

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fus10nx:

well then I will make my question very simple. How can I have my computer act just like the cable box so I get every channel ?

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Dibblah:

The easiest solution is to apply the patch in the ticket.

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Dibblah:

fus10nx: Buy a cable company of your own.

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Dibblah:

:(

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fus10nx:

ha ha

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iamlindoro__:

fus10nx: You *cannot* w/ cable. You *will* need a cable box to get the signal

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: not really easy to do ... means I have to start compiling ... and make sure I do not get conflicts with other myth packages etc

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iamlindoro__:

And even then, your only options for HD are hoping for firewire or waiting on the Hauppauge Component capture device

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fus10nx:

grrrrrr! so how do u guys get all ure HD channels?

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Dibblah:

Rigolo_: Okay.

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: and the "not compile" sollution ....

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Dibblah:

Let me get this right.

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Dibblah:

Your time is valuable to you?

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GreyFoxx:

fus10nx: I get mine via the firewire output of my cablebox

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iamlindoro__:

Firewire

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GreyFoxx:

my cablecompany enables it for all channels including hd that I subscribe too

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fus10nx:

GreyFoxx: and how many channels do u get?

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Dibblah:

However, the dev's time – Who can possibly fix this issue, isn't.

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fus10nx:

GreyFoxx: who is ure cable company?

[22:22:24]

GreyFoxx:

fusion: coiuple hundreds in total

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iamlindoro__:

fus10nx: and the truth is most people cannot get all of their channels in Myth in HD like a STB can

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Dibblah:

Sorry to be brutal.

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GreyFoxx:

fus10nx: Eastlink, (Nova Scotia , Canada)

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iamlindoro__:

nor in any other DVR

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fus10nx:

i c

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: at the moment I have more time available to test stufff then normal ... so I could compile if I really need to

[22:22:52]

fus10nx:

iamlindoro: and ure on comcast and ure firewire worked OOTB?

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Dibblah:

So do it.

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iamlindoro__:

fus10nx: Yes, but that is the exception

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Dibblah:

Do you have a link to the ticket?

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: but I also have to think about going forward, how to make sure that I will not have a broken system in the future

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fus10nx:

so all u did was plug in a firewire cable from ure cable box to ure PC?

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iamlindoro__:

the vast majority of people trying to get channels via firewire get locals and network

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fus10nx:

and didnt use IR Blaster?

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iamlindoro__:

fus10nx: No need for an IR blaster

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: I do ... I can see both patches ... the one from janne .. and from klaas ...

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fus10nx:

id like to get all my channels but most, most, most important are the 800's (HD Channels)

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Dibblah:

Rigolo_: Where's the ticket.

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fus10nx:

iamlindoro: which remote do u use?

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Dibblah:

:)

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iamlindoro__:

fus10nx: ok, one last time, and PLEASe listen:

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: I like the klaas sollution .... ticket #3640

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Dibblah:

(Sorry – Looking through trac is painful :(

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GreyFoxx:

fus10nx: in my case I just plugged it in and setup the channels

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iamlindoro__:

The *only* current way you will get all your HD channels is if you are lucky enough to get them via firewire, and that is unlikely

[22:24:35]

iamlindoro__:

But not unheard of

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GreyFoxx:

but I also have analog tuners and digitawl tuners to get the digital channels that are not encyrpted too

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directhex:

and that's true not only for myth, but other apps like mediaportal too

[22:24:47]

Rigolo_:

Dibblah: just let google index it .... and than just search google :-)

[22:25:37]

Dibblah:

Rigolo_: Just in case you're not sure, I'm one of the Anonymous's on that ticket.

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: well .. you had to be somebody that understood what was going on :-)

[22:26:12]

directhex:

Dibblah is an anti-scientology crusader?

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Dagmar:

Sane people are anti-scientology crusaders

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Dibblah:

Ugh. No, I'm not one of those idiots.

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fus10nx:

iamlindoro: ahhh OK. I'll have to go get a firewire card and try that tomorrow too.....err firewire cable I mean, I dont think I have any lying around

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iamlindoro__:

And, of course, make sure your box has firewire

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fus10nx:

it does

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fus10nx:

its the grey motorola one

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fus10nx:

which I just had Tivo put on but Tivo on comcast is teh WORST

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fus10nx:

its like....non-responsive, very laggy and slow, jus a big pain

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Dibblah:

Rigolo_: Okay. All of those patches are unfinished.

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Dibblah:

(There's no UI to select the correct SDTo from the mess that's presented by the cableco)

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Dagmar:

GIve it time

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: so is there a way to currently setup my channels via the setup then? each time I try it goes back to those damm transponders of NIT 1000

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Dagmar:

At some point, Comcast will realize that they can compromise your machines over the firewire port

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Dibblah:

... Yes?

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Dibblah:

As I've said previously.

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Dibblah:

Apply Janneg's most recent patch.

[22:29:58]

Dibblah:

Change the line that's shown in the comment.

[22:30:05]

Dibblah:

Compile.

[22:30:07]

Dibblah:

Install.

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fus10nx:

so does MythTV run on Ubuntu OK?

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iamlindoro__:

yup

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fus10nx:

nice

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fus10nx:

well, ill let u kno my results tomorrow

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iamlindoro__:

or just get Mythbuntu which is the Myth Distro based on Ubuntu

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fus10nx:

iamlindoro: which state are u in?

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iamlindoro__:

CA

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fus10nx:

are the 800's HD channels for u?

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iamlindoro__:

nope, 700s

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fus10nx:

ahhh ok

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fus10nx:

im in MA

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fus10nx:

and its 800's

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iamlindoro__:

You may be in bad shape if you're in the Boston area

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fus10nx:

ya

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fus10nx:

i am

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fus10nx:

why u say that?

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iamlindoro__:

Because I'm 99% certain they have firewire locked down pretty hard in the Boston area

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: what do you mean by " change the line that's shown in the comment'

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: I'm looking at the "broken_nit_providers" patch

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Dibblah:

Rigolo_: The issue here is you're expecting the devs to start to care about something that is not high on their priority list because you want it :(

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iamlindoro__:

yup, "I have Comcast cable here in Boston. I use QAM for my HD and have two DCT-6200 digital cable boxen. My area has heavy 5C DRM enabled making firewire capture pretty pointless." And that's from a user I trust pretty well

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fus10nx:

iamlindoro: damn! well, we'll see......hey, how do u use OnDemand?

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iamlindoro__:

You don't, really

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fus10nx:

with MythTV, does ondemand even wrok

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fus10nx:

ya

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fus10nx:

i figured

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Dibblah:

libs/libmythtv/mpeg/dvbstreamdata.cpp line 16.

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iamlindoro__:

presumably you could set up an empty channel with no listings and try to do it manually on the box, but sounds like a pain

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Dibblah:

Rigolo_: After the patch has been applied.

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: i'm not the only one that wants this fixed ... there are 1.2M potential mythtv users that can not use mythtv at the moment

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Dibblah:

Bull. Sorry, but bull.

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iamlindoro__:

Huh??

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Dibblah:

And... Noone really cares.

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tim1:

Guys wouldnt it be great if you could set reminders in mythtv

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iamlindoro__:

1.2 M whathuh?

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Dibblah:

He's meaning all of SE.

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directhex:

SE?

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fus10nx:

well, thanks for ure help everyone. Ill try it tomorrow and worst case I just stick with my regular STB

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Dibblah:

NL, sorry.

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Dibblah:

Different broken provider :)

[22:35:00]

Dibblah:

And, for future reference, big numbers don't help.

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directhex:

yay for broken NIT

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Dagmar:

Actually, something like that would be an ideal thing for someone to just write a plugin for, but...

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directhex:

don't virgin media to it too?

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directhex:

not that you're allowed to use virgin media sans set-top box

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Dibblah:

Unless some of the big numbers can _produce a working patch_, which doesn't break things for anyone else, has a good UI, doesn't upset the devs, etc.

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Dagmar:

Comcast would sh*t themselves over the idea you'd basically just created a client to access the OnDemand media they have, and cloning everything you watch

[22:35:57]

Dibblah:

directhex|work: Yes. Allegedly.

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directhex:

yes. *cough*

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Dibblah:

(The logs from Blueyonder on there definitely show the issue)

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: but .... it was working before ... why did it go worse? I had a working dvb-c setup ... and they I decided to try multirec .... :-)

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Dibblah:

How did you scan previously?

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Dibblah:

Importing a channels.conf?

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: just import a channels.conf yes

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Dibblah:

Right.

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iamlindoro__:

Why do you get sore when you work out? Things break when they're improving.

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Thomas-:

iamlindoro__: lol

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Dibblah:

Danielk fixed another type of brokenness with another provider.

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** iamlindoro__ realizes the inherent error in implying Myth users work out. **

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Dagmar:

hah

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Thomas-:

:p

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Dibblah:

ISTR.

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Thomas-:

Sometimes I walk all the way to the kitchen... (to get more nachos!)

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Dibblah:

Oh, wait – I remember. I caused that.

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: lol ... you?

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Dibblah:

Some ticket with 28.2 in it.

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** KjetilK is one of quite few living people who has done a first ascent of a major mountain... Not to brag or anything, but... **

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directhex:

making mountains out of molehils doesn't count

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KjetilK:

hehe

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directhex:

nor does going up a hill & coming down a mountain

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neb_:

which mountain?

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KjetilK:

Toze Kangri

[22:40:17]

neb_:

himalayas?

[22:40:24]

KjetilK:

northern Tibet

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neb_:

aha

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** directhex sends the chinese military after KjetilK **

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KjetilK:

http://www.geonames.org/1279854/toze-kangri.html

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KjetilK:

hehe, yeah, well, it was a illegal and all

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KjetilK:

we never had any problems with the military though, the police could be quite obnoxious though...

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Dibblah:

Rigolo_: Hmm. Maybe not. 0.20 wasn't two years ago, was it?

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: not really now

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: but 28.2 sound like a sat position to me ....

[22:43:47]

Dibblah:

It is.

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Dibblah:

Astra.

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Dibblah:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/744

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Dibblah:

Was what I was thinking of.

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: but without that patch ... you can not get it setup correctly anymore? I even looked at manually updating the tables .. but they are too much twisted to easily correct

[22:45:43]

Dibblah:

Why are you looking for a complex solution?

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Dibblah:

Apply the patch. Really – It is easier than discussing it pointlessly.

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: maybe for you compiling is the easiest .... for most users it is not ...

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directhex:

most users have valid digital tv. you do not

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: I can do that ... but I would like to let other people know how to "fix" this

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Rigolo_:

directhex: well ... that is debatable ....

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directhex:

Rigolo_, invalid data tables are valid?

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directhex:

is longcat looooooooooooooooong?

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Dibblah:

The tables that are there are valid.

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Rigolo_:

directhex: they are not "invalid" .....

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Dagmar:

They can be invalid, but still true.

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Dibblah:

The SDTa is not however present, which it should be.

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: even that is available ... it is that nothing is broadcasting on the given frequencies

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Dibblah:

Rigolo_: Okay. Whatever you want to call it when something is not following the specifications of the technology they're supposed to be using.

[22:49:08]

Dibblah:

Rigolo_: Okay, so how is that not broken?

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Dagmar:

The Danes call it "sh*t"

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directhex:

Dibblah, the term is "microsoft" isn't it? :p

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: look at the history. You do know "why" they are using this NIT others sollution to get their network up and running ....

[22:50:16]

Dibblah:

Rigolo_: Really, honestly?

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Dibblah:

I don't care.

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Dibblah:

The only reason I do care slightly is because it affected me.

[22:50:57]

Dibblah:

So I helped track down the actual issue, with Janneg's help.

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: how? .. what was causing problems for you then?

[22:51:19]

Dibblah:

And janneg produced a workaround patch, which I am very grateful for.

[22:51:55]

Dibblah:

Same thing. Cable network providing a set of NITos which don't actually match reality.

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Dibblah:

SDTo, even.

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: but here they do match reality right?

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Dibblah:

Rigolo_: Arguing that 'it's not broken' is not going to get a patch written and applied faster.

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Dibblah:

No, they do not.

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: why not ... NITos informs you that theyre are other transponders on different frequencies that you can use ...

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Dibblah:

Rigolo_: Arguing that 'it's not broken' is not going to get a patch written and applied faster.

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: if they would do that on dvb-t and you can not receive those transponders (mountain in the way or something) it is also not "broken" right

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Dibblah:

In that case, the SDTa is the actual station you're provisionally receiving.

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Dibblah:

The SDTo works, since the NetworkID is different (ISTR)

[22:56:49]

Dibblah:

And, once again, Arguing that 'it's not broken' is not going to get a patch written and applied faster.

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: but @home does also broadcast differnt network ID's (mine is 9003 for example)

[22:57:42]

Dibblah:

Rigolo_: Of course – Sorry, I'm mixing up my issues.

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Dibblah:

Which is not surprising, really, since I don't really care about this issue.

[22:58:15]

Dibblah:

It's worked around.

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: okee, I will start compiling a patch version tom. .... What if it works? how long then before it shows in 0.21-fixes?

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Dibblah:

I can't answer that question.

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Dibblah:

However, it involves no schema changes.

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Dibblah:

So there's no real risk in tracking 0.21-fixes with this patch applied.

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: not even if you want to user to enter a network id via the GUI?

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: and you can even argue if a user should enter anything? or that by scanning and reading NITa and NITos you can determine what network you really listning too

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Dibblah:

Rigolo_: I don't enjoy arguing – So I won't ;)

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Rigolo_:

Dibblah: okee .... I will be back I think ..

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iamlindoro__:

And damn it, he'll be cutting and pasting his question until he gets an answer he likes, ya hear?

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Dibblah:

Sure – If you need help with the compilation, just ask Google... Or here ;)

[23:07:16]

Dibblah:

iamlindoro__: No, that was me that reverted (shamefully) to copying and pasting :(

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Dibblah:

Rigolo was being more creative.

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iamlindoro__:

Wasn't following the argument, just basing it on previous experience when someone doesn't like an answer

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** Rigolo_ just wants to make mythtv workable again for all the .nl users **

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iamlindoro__:

but expect others to do the work for you

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iamlindoro__:

We have different definitions of "make," you and I

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Rigolo_:

iamlindoro__: I never said i expect othter to do the work .....

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iamlindoro__:

So why all the hubbub? Submit a patch that meets with dev approval and it'll get committed

[23:10:27]

Rigolo_:

iamlindoro__: there is already a patch .... but after 7 months it is still not commited

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iamlindoro__:

It's not as though it hasn't been touched since then, it's still active

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Rigolo_:

iamlindoro__: well .. other patches have been committed .. and they make things worse for .nl dvb-c users (at least .. as far as I can check)

[23:12:28]

iamlindoro__:

But I'm not willing to get sucked into a long discussion with you either, so be patient, and discussion over

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Thomas-:

is multiple (wrong) network id's in the dvb stream a problem for many users? I did a quick check and my dvb-c provider gives me 62 different network_id's (just using dvbsnoop 0x10 for a couple of seconds)

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Rigolo_:

Thomas-: depends if your NITactual really points to actual working freq. Here in .nl they usually do not and NITos shows the freq. you should use

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Thomas-:

ok

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Rigolo_:

Thomas-: so if I do a scan, mythtv thinks I'm using network ID 1000 .. and will setup my multiplexes for network 1000 .... and not for network 9003 that I'm really using

[23:17:23]

Thomas-:

I "should" have the same problem

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Rigolo_:

what network are you using then?

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Thomas-:

my provider seems to be sending me all the different network id's for entire sweden

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Thomas-:

comhem in sweden, dvb-c

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Rigolo_:

but are your NITa showing you correct freq and network id for your region ?

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Frosty-:

I have 2 tuners, 4 total with multirec. if tuner 4 is recording, why does livetv use tuner 3, and so limiting me to just that multiplex

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Rigolo_:

Frosty-: and what happens when you change the inputs using Y to tuner 1 or 2?

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Thomas-:

Frosty-: I've seen the same, just change input or (untried by me) use the guide to select channel

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Frosty-:

pressing Y doesn't do anything, but I can use the menu and use tuner 1/2 fine

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Thomas-:

Rigolo_: I know what NIT is , but what it NITa?

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Rigolo_:

NITa = NIT actual

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Rigolo_:

NITos – NIT Others

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Thomas-:

ah, should I be able to see them with dvbsnoop 0x10?

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Rigolo_:

just look in your transports so see what network id is listed there ... mythtv now always uses the NITa

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Thomas-:

I know my home networkid

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Thomas-:

41001, but I get a shitload if I do dvbsnoop -adapter 7 0x10 |egrep "Network_ID|Network_name"

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Rigolo_:

and I my situation it shows 1000 ... and that is not correct

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Rigolo_:

Thomas-: and that is fine ... I get that too ..

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Rigolo_:

adapter 7 .... using 8 REAL adapters?

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Thomas-:

no, 4.. but I'm cardsharing, so software Cam's

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Rigolo_:

okee ... I thought so already ... sasc-ng?

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Thomas-:

yes

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Rigolo_:

starting with real adapters ... and when that is working move to sasc-ng ... had it working before I move to multirec

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Rigolo_:

but ... time to leave .... it is late already

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iamlindoro__:

sasc-ng is offlimits to discussion here

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Rigolo_:

I know ... lot's of people are paranoid about it .... so we will discuss it somewhere else

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hnitsuj:

autoban would be too lenient IMHO

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Frosty-:

what is sasc-ng

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iamlindoro__:

ban + botnet attack?

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iamlindoro__:

Frosty-: It's not allowed discussion and illegal, that's what it is

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Thomas-:

hmm my NITa is also wrong, but maybe the frequency works

[23:30:13]

Thomas-:

http://pastebin.ca/946819

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** Rigolo_ is going ZZZZZZZzllleeeeping **

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Thomas-:

ahh they have som kind of default with the correct freq. to one transponder, once there you can get all the others

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Thomas-:

makes sense when your the only provider in the network

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iamlindoro__:

Hmm, Internal has progressed to being able to play the raw from-the-disk HD-DVD Planet Earth files. Nice.

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Frosty-:

decrypted hd-dvd?

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iamlindoro__:

Yes

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Frosty-:

bah had me aroused :/

[23:38:30]

iamlindoro__:

Whether you do it on the fly or as part of ripping, it will always be necessary...

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Frosty-:

can it be done on the fly yet?

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iamlindoro__:

Work is in progress

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NightMonkey:

I'd like to get mythweb's experimental flash playback working. Is there a doc on setup (wiki, or elsewhere)? Does it require mod_perl (or executing perl scripts within apache)?

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xris:

no

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mkrufky:

there's a setting for it in the mythweb configuration page

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Frosty-:

xris do you have "mythweb" on highlight?

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xris:

doesn't work very well if you DO turn on mod_perl.. best to NOT use mod_perl

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xris:

Frosty-: how'd you guess? ;)

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NightMonkey:

mkrufky: I set it, but I don't get a link on my recordings page, unless the .asx link is it?

[23:41:28]

Frosty-:

Your fast responses to mythweb related questions :)

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Frosty-:

followed by hours of idle

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iamlindoro__:

click the thumbnail of a recorded program...

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NightMonkey:

xris: Gotcha, no mod_perl. :)

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xris:

same on the mailing lists... I only read stuff that mentions mythweb/nuvexport/etc

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GreyFoxx:

Makes sense that he would have that on highlight :)

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** Frosty- adds mythweb to his mailing list signature **

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mkrufky:

lol somebody sent me datasheets watermarked "LinuxTV"

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xris:

Frosty-: you'd have to put it in the subject

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky: I think that's tacit approval right there

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NightMonkey:

Ah, I see that it runs the perl script, but I need to allow that... now I'll try that.

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky: Can they send you an HD-PVR watermarked "iamlindoro?"

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GreyFoxx:

ehhe

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Thomas-:

hmm so the flashplayer has been in the svn trunk for a while huh?

[23:43:42]

GreyFoxx:

If the HDPVR's work well I might pick up a couple and switch to one of the sat providers

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** mkrufky tries to think of something clever to say, while quirtly changing the subject **

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mkrufky:

quietly, damnit

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GreyFoxx:

the base package oif starchoice gets you 28 HDTV channels for $35 a month

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Thomas-:

I've had one in mythweb since aug/sep

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iamlindoro__:

I think Dish is top for selection in the US

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iamlindoro__:

at least in # of channels-- from what I've read, best bitrate too, the DirectTV bitrate on the Hd channels is narsty

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GreyFoxx:

Unfortunately yhe only HD channel I don't (read cannot get) get now that I want beyond what I have is ScifiHD

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iamlindoro__:

You and me both!

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xris:

GreyFoxx: I just got that last week or so

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iamlindoro__:

ugh, and they keep introducing it in other markets, I'm going nuts

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GreyFoxx:

No SciFi on any provider in Canada

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Frosty-:

no hd at all here, but I find SD dvb-t is great quality

[23:46:21]

Frosty-:

I guess I sit far enough away from the tv

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Frosty-:

I'm still jealous though :(

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Thomas-:

or to small tv :)

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NightMonkey:

Hrm. Apache is saying "CGI process 13724 didn't exit, sending SIGKILL" when I try to play.

[23:47:22]

NightMonkey:

Perhaps my apache is too locked down.

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mkrufky:

GreyFoxx: how many component output devices do you have that you would be recording from?

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Thomas-:

flashplayer works really great for me (since september actually), I only miss the skip forward feature... but I guess it's hard to incorporate since it only spawns a ffmpeg

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GreyFoxx:

mkrufky: I'd have 2 or 3

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GreyFoxx:

right now I just have 1

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GreyFoxx:

but I'd pick up more (you can buy the STB's for $75 each from the sat company)

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mkrufky:

wow

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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Thomas-:

GreyFoxx: how much extra is the additional programcards?

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GreyFoxx:

Thomas-: nothing

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Thomas-:

they are included in the 75$?

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GreyFoxx:

I just pickup the additional STB's, give them the serial codes or whatever off it

[23:50:21]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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Thomas-:

nice

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky: You know eventually you guys are gonna have to say *something* so I can stop my morning soda-and-obsessive-Google

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Thomas-:

most of the providers in sweden (dvb-[sct]) charge extra for additional cards and they normaly only carry the basic channels

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mkrufky:

its a usb device that captures raw HD input from component

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mkrufky:

it encodes h264

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mkrufky:

sends it back to the host over usb

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mkrufky:

what else is there to know?

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iamlindoro__:

Dates, times, truck routes ;)

[23:52:30]

mkrufky:

...ok, i can tell you something that hasnt been said yet.....

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Thomas-:

mkrufky: also spdif in I guess?

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mkrufky:

... it does *not* deliver raw video to the host... only h264

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mkrufky:

yes, Thomas-

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GreyFoxx:

I expected that

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Thomas-:

sounds like a nice gadget

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GreyFoxx:

raw video over the usb bus would be problematic :)

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GreyFoxx:

at those bitrates anyway

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mkrufky:

the cx23415/6/7 – based devices provide both raw and mpeg2 encoded audio + video concurrently, over usb

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mkrufky:

.....but thats not hdtv

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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Thomas-:

sounds like a perfect job for a FPGA

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mkrufky:

yeah, thats where i have to go quiet

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mkrufky:

google can answer THOSE questions

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iamlindoro__:

and it has ;)

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Thomas-:

All I know about FPGA's are that you better have a big market cause the R&D is huge

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mkrufky:

digital is more fun

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iamlindoro__:

ergo the need for truck routes and dates

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mkrufky:

we finally got the onair devices to work reliably last night

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iamlindoro__:

and which drivers are the smallest and most vulnerable

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** Thomas- bought a starterkit for atmel mcu's a year ago.. hasn't started on any project yet.. to much stuff to do :) **

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Thomas-:

starter kit == development board

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