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Friday, March 14th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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iamlindoro__:

They'll still be fuckwits.

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neb_:

heh

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neb_:

i only want to try it cos there's a Q1 knocking about at work

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Dibblah:

iamlindoro__: Errr...

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Dibblah:

Mouse support is gesture based.

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Dibblah:

So back is a drag left.

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Dibblah:

There's other shortcut gestures too.

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hnitsuj:

one disadvantage of mail lists that forums don't suffer from – threads can't be closed & locked – be handy to shut up the iplayer plugin thread on the -dev list :)

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Aval0n:

wasting away.. in a margaritaville...

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hnitsuj:

can't believe the fuss the iplayer is still getting – I mean mythtv is a pvr so you don't have to miss the shows you can't miss

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Aval0n:

what is iplayer?

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hnitsuj:

online video player for bbc shows

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Aval0n:

ahh interesting

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hnitsuj:

great if you like X * 240 video :-\

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Aval0n:

yeah I hear ya

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hnitsuj:

it's not as if shows aren't repeated enough anyway – you hardly even need a pvr with stuff like Torchwood :P

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hnitsuj:

morning gbee. pity you can't lock mailing list threads eh

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gbee:

Aval0n: busy working on MythTV, would you rather I was in here or getting the next version ready? :)

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hnitsuj:

jesus. only want to borrow a couple of grand & the APR is scary wary. might just dreadit card it

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gbee:

hnitsuj: heh, yeah ... well I've said my piece

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hnitsuj:

I was gonna reply in the thread but I think I have enough enemies

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mkargar_:

hello

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SoulBlade:

i know windows is "evil" and all that.. but i have a mythtv backend (god bless mythbuntu) but have a win32 laptop that i can't really put linux on since it belongs to my office... but is there a program that will let me watch live tv on windows streamed from a mythtv backend

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hnitsuj:

nope

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SoulBlade:

wow that was an instantaneous response

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neb_:

you could set up nfs mounts and play stuff without the frontend

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hnitsuj:

nfs onto windows? rofl

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neb_:

er, yeah – there are nfs clients ...

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hnitsuj:

you could, I suppose, try the mythtv player & schedule a recording from mythweb to happen NOW... then play the recording...

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SoulBlade:

i wonder if i wrote a quick little apache module that just streamed out /dev/video0...

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hnitsuj:

neb_: samba is more simple

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Kernel:

hello all im getting this error when compiling the new mythtv http://pastebin.com/m365bdf15

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neb_:

thats reinventing the wheel

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hnitsuj:

SoulBlade: when mythbackend has grabbed it? pfft

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SoulBlade:

yea

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SoulBlade:

it seems silly

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hnitsuj:

SoulBlade: mythbackend is using it, regardless

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SoulBlade:

there's gotta be somethin

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Kernel:

i tried googleing that error..but didnt get any hits with information

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Kernel:

so im guessing its not to common?

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Agrajag-:

Kernel: it looks lik eyou didn't paste the actual error

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hnitsuj:

Kernel: if you're trying to build on something debian based why not do apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins hmm?

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Kernel:

not using debain

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Kernel:

Agrajag-: ill paste more one sec

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Kernel:

http://pastebin.com/m1929135b

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Kernel:

im using mandriva 2008

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hnitsuj:

qt4? whoops!

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hnitsuj:

mythtv needs qt3 and will only work with qt3

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hnitsuj:

a qt4 branch is in the works but is a long, long way off

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Kernel:

ah ok

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Kernel:

should be a simple fix then

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Kernel:

thanks

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DustyBin:

mythtv is being naughty again !

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DustyBin:

Error at /var/www/mythweb/includes/mythbackend.php, line 175:

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DustyBin:

Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 'MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 40': 2ACCEPT

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DustyBin:

o_0

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DustyBin:

U libs/libmythtv/dbcheck.cpp <-- maybe this is what i need!

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SoulBlade:

hmm

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SoulBlade:

mythtv player can playback livetv if you're recording it

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SoulBlade:

that's good enough for me right now i suppose

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psm321:

clever: are you around?

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clever:

yep

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Aval0n:

hey guys I have a question. I have my playback profiles set so it will not deinterlace anything = or > than 1280x720. So my hd shows look great. Then the simsons record on that same station that's broadcasting 720p, it's horribly interlaced

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kusznir_:

Hi all: I just replaced the motherboard of my myth system (more compute power), and now my PVR-500 is intermintantly recording with a very distorted (very red/black static picture, no audio). The really interesting thing is that it changes what channel its on from time to time, but is usually not on both channels.

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Aval0n:

does myth have any way to tell an sd show on an hd chan and deinterlace

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Aval0n:

or is it just a non-option

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GreyFoxx:

Set your deinterlacer to greedyh

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GreyFoxx:

Its smart enough to not deinterlace progressive content

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GreyFoxx:

and only deinterlace interlaced stuff

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Aval0n:

oh really!

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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Aval0n:

excellent!

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GreyFoxx:

I think yadif does too, but greedyh for sure

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Aval0n:

ty greyfoxx

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Aval0n:

nice

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Aval0n:

i lov emythtv

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Aval0n:

love* :P

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Aval0n:

if it ever gets some sexy animation in the .22 skins I dunno what i'm gonna do

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Aval0n:

get the mythtv logo tattoed on my arse or something

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hnitsuj:

tentacle porn? sexy animation?

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Aval0n:

lol

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hnitsuj:

if mythtv ever gets ui animation you know what you're gonna have to do. get a nvidia card :P

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hnitsuj:

you can bet your life it'll happen before ATI have reliable working drivers for linux :D

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Aval0n:

i have a 7300gs :)

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Aval0n:

w hdmi out

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Aval0n:

;)

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Kazan:

janneg you here?

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Kernel:

hmm i just installed newer mythtv and for some reason it didnt install any start script. im running mandriva 2008 and usaly use "service serviceName start" to start a service.

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Kernel:

how can i install needed script?.

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Kazan:

you install from compile or packages?

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Kernel:

i just compiled mythtv and mythplugins from source

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Kazan:

hmm

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Kazan:

then it should be there

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Kazan:

i never have any such problem on fedora

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Kernel:

it should be service mythbackend start correct?

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Kazan:

yeah

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Kazan:

what is the error you're getting?

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Kernel:

its not in /etc/rc.d/init.d/

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Kernel:

service mythbackend start

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Kernel:

Cannot find mythbackend service

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Kazan:

probably just need to copy it over manually for some reason

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Kazan:

check the contrib init scripts dir

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Kernel:

ah ok

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Kazan:

i don't see one for mandriva

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Kernel:

hmm

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Kazan:

fedora, slack, lsb, mandrake

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Kernel:

mandriva is basicly mandrake

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Kernel:

mandrake and connectiva merged few years back and made mandriva

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Kernel:

where in the mythtv source dir would it be?

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Kazan:

contrib

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Kazan:

contrib/init_scripts

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Kernel:

oh im sorry

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Kernel:

i over looked that dir...

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Kazan:

lol :D

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Kazan:

happens

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Kernel:

i didnt see it at 1st

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Kernel:

:-)

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Kazan:

it's better than google last week forgetting to call e for a phone interview :D

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Kazan:

s/e/me

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Kernel:

hmm

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Kernel:

that mandriva one says lircd at the end?

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Kernel:

....lircd is a whole seperate service in mandriva.

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Kazan:

yeah

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Kazan:

is it fedora too

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Kazan:

tha mandrake init script is ancient

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Kernel:

yea

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Kernel:

9.1

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Kernel:

lol

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Kazan:

infact i saw it got svn removed this week

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Kazan:

from trunk

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Kernel:

haha

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Kernel:

hell its been mandriva for a long time now

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Kernel:

i previously used mandriva rpms which provided a init script. i guess ill install the rpm,get needed scripts then remove the rpm

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Kernel:

kinda assbackwards...but w/e

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Kazan:

or

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Kazan:

you could try fedora's init

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Kazan:

it may work

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Kernel:

yea

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Kernel:

i want the init script right?

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Kernel:

or the sysconfig?

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Kazan:

yeah

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Kazan:

init script

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Kazan:

probably both actually

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Kernel:

hrm.

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Kazan:

yeah there is a config in /etc/sysconfig

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Kernel:

so id want to copy fedora.init.mythbackend into /etc/rc.d/init.d/ and copy the other into /etc/sysconfig?

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Kernel:

imjust gonna use the rpm and copy them over

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Jester45:

is there a site that sells prebuilt computers for mythtv? or does anyone know a list of good parts? i dont mind building i just dont trust my self shopping for a whole comp

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Freman:

part a: no idea

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Freman:

part b: depends on whether you want a low-profile system

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Freman:

I can suggest parts based on a build I just finished

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Jester45:

well i dont really want a tower

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Freman:

but I couldn't suggest a tuner atm, I was a huge fan of dvico but they keep changing things without telling anyone

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Freman:

no, I'm talking about flat cases, you can go a full size flat case – it's easier to get parts for, or you can go a low profile small flat case – which is no so easy

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Jester45:

so i guess low profile but it doesnt have to be tiny like a mini/micro atx

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Kernel:

hmm ive gotten the init scripts installed..but when i try to start mythfrontend or mythtv-setup i get this error http://pastebin.com/m3a55ef0f

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Kernel:

i found one supposed solution to use xhost to add mythtv user to the list...i tried and it gave the same error

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Kernel:

when configureing mythtv for compiling i used "./configure --enable-opengl-video --enable-opengl-vsync" to configure it...could this have caused this issue?

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Anduin:

Kernel: No

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Kernel:

hmm

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Kernel:

hmm seems mythtv isnt well tested on mandriva.

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Kernel:

did mythtv change something in the newest version that involves X?

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cesman:

not to my knowledge

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cesman:

ahhh good old Mandrake....

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** cesman first used MythTV on Mandrake **

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Kernel:

hehe

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cesman:

about 5 years ago

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Kernel:

ive been using mythtv on mandriva for a year or so now...has been working good.

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Kernel:

but i wanted the newest versoin so i compiled...and now it doesnt want to work

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Kernel:

hmm ok. ive got it all running now...only one thing. i now have black bars on the left and right sides on my screen. im using a 24in monitro with resolution of 1920x1200. previously mythtv would not have these side bars.

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kdubya:

the zoom modes changed

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Kernel:

hmm

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kdubya:

i dont know how to fix it

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kdubya:

im lazy so i just zoomed it with my TV remote

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Kernel:

its under tv settings>playback

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Kernel:

weird. i now have video tearing at the top of my screen. and the osd seems to be blinking realy fast...almsot fuzzy looking

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jhatch:

Anyone around?

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Freman:

I'm asquare

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daMaestro:

anyone having issues with mythtv-0.21 and a/v sync?

[03:44:30]

daMaestro:

it seems my exports are 2 seconds off

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robbins876:

In /etc/rc.local can you put chmod statements?

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jhatch:

does anyone know how to get xorg to drive my monitor at 1920x1080_30 without whining about it (using GeForce 6200)?

[03:49:09]

jhatch:

apparently 60hz isn't fully supported by my display.

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jamesd:

jhatch, you probably need to tell it to use interlacing... if it won't do 60hz no interlace.

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robbins876:

anyone know?

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daMaestro:

robbins61, sure

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jamesd:

robbins61, yes they are just schell scripts..

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jhatch:

It does it at 60hz, but the picture contains sparkles... my brother (who runs Windows) had the same problem and he switched it to 30hz and it works fine.

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Arfdee:

hi friends

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Arfdee:

anyone use the asx stream thing through mythweb?

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xris:

lots of people try. it doesn't really work if you have any sort of security hooked up for mythweb

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jamesd:

jhatch, ask google for mode lines for your tv and see if someone has done your homework

[03:52:17]

robbins876:

any of you use hellanzb?

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daMaestro:

robbins876, cross posting is considered poor manners and you will start pissing people off shortly

[03:52:55]

Arfdee:

xris, oh

[03:53:03]

Arfdee:

well, i click on the link and it tries to open it with totem

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Arfdee:

and it says

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Arfdee:

an error occurred, location not found

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xris:

what's the URL inside of the asx file

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daMaestro:

Arfdee, have you tried accessing the url directly?

[03:53:35]

xris:

(asx is just xml data with a URL in it)

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Arfdee:

im doing this all through ssh tunnel:)

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daMaestro:

Arfdee, it's possible selinux is getting in the way (if you are running in enforcing mode)

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Arfdee:

selinux is disabled

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daMaestro:

ok

[03:54:35]

daMaestro:

Arfdee, download the asx file, find the direct url and try to wget it

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Arfdee:

[03:55:14]

Arfdee:

weird

[03:55:23]

Arfdee:

Resolving localhost... 127.0.0.1

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Arfdee:

Connecting to localhost|127.0.0.1|:80... failed: Connection refused.

[03:55:27]

Arfdee:

why does it work in firefox?

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jamesd:

do you have a proxy enabled in firefox?

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xris:

Arfdee: mythbox and firefox are the same machine?

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kdubya:

if no i may laugh

[03:57:20]

Arfdee:

i'm accessing it through ssh

[03:57:23]

Arfdee:

ssh tunnel

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Arfdee:

oooooooooo

[03:57:47]

Arfdee:

i see what it's doing

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jamesd:

you got to watch out for that guy on 127.0.0.1 he is a major hacker and has a ton of pr0n and awesome stuff... that he stole from me ;-)

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daMaestro:

lol

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Arfdee:

the asx thing is messing it up

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Arfdee:

http://localhost:80/mythweb/pl/stream/1042/1205445600

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Arfdee:

port 80

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xris:

Arfdee: no, the asx is working properly

[03:58:11]

Arfdee:

firefox is accessing it this way

[03:58:16]

Arfdee:

http://localhost:1080/mythweb/tv/recorded

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Arfdee:

xris, no, it's trying to access it on a default port, not the one that mythweb is being accessed from

[03:58:29]

xris:

your mythbox thinks that mythweb is localhost, so it puts localhost into the asx file as the URL

[03:58:30]

kdubya:

you know you could test it locally on that machine fires.

[03:58:32]

kdubya:

first*

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xris:

Arfdee: look in the mythweb settings

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Arfdee:

xris, yes, but it's changing the port back to 80

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xris:

Arfdee: because apache is running on port 80, right?

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daMaestro:

no, because it takes root to be able to forward port 80

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xris:

and your ssh tunnel is remapping 80 to 1080?

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Arfdee:

daMaestro, eh? no it doesn't.

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Arfdee:

i'm sshing as a user

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daMaestro:

more then likely he is using ssh -L 1080:somehost:80

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xris:

Arfdee: but you're not forwarding port 80, you're forwarding 1080

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xris:

er, mapping

[03:59:52]

Arfdee:

-L 1080:localhost:80'

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daMaestro:

more then likely he is using ssh -L 1080:localhost:80 mythweb

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xris:

Arfdee: that's mapping 1080, not 80

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Arfdee:

so there's no way to get the .asx to work through the tunnel?

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xris:

try -L 80:localhost:80 and it'll require root

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daMaestro:

correct.

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xris:

Arfdee: go look at the mythweb settings — I'm pretty sure I put a port override in there

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** xris doesn't really understand all of these people who use port forwarding instead of just port forwarding ssl+auth **

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a1fa:

tru that

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Arfdee:

xris, if i did an override, would that mess up local access?

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daMaestro:

Arfdee, just su -c 'ssh -L 80:localhost:80 user@mythmachine'

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xris:

Arfdee: probably

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xris:

daMaestro: bad user.. no sudo for you!

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kormoc:

xris, I seem to call in a hazy something bout javascript and the iphone not being happy?

[04:02:53]

daMaestro:

xris, assuming a user has sudo with centos is a poor assumption ;-)

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Arfdee:

daedalus_, thanks

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Arfdee:

daMaestro,

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xris:

daMaestro: user should never know the root password... though I'll grant you that it's probably your own box. :)

[04:04:14]

Arfdee:

daMaestro, i think that's still technically ssh'ing in as root

[04:04:22]

Arfdee:

because it's asking for my password when my user has the keyfile

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daMaestro:

Arfdee, it's running ssh as root

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daMaestro:

Arfdee, use -i

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kormoc:

Root is obsolete, and should be limited to only single user mode these days...

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** daMaestro boggles @ kormoc **

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kormoc:

It's true tho, sudo rather then su to get a shell with root's privs, no need to actually log in as root other then real recovery

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Arfdee:

daMaestro, isn't it dangerous to ssh as root?

[04:05:55]

kormoc:

it also helps cut down on brute force ssh attacks if root isn't on every box

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** daMaestro boggles even more **

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Arfdee:

daMaestro, isn't it dangerous for me to ssh as root?

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kdubya:

yeah, and dont go swimming for 30 minutes after you eat

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Aval0n:

kormoc: I hear that but I'm so used to su'ing to roo

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Aval0n:

root

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Aval0n:

heh

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Aval0n:

I can't get used to sudo

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daMaestro:

Arfdee, you are streaming video over ssh...

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daMaestro:

Arfdee, the only thing that is running as root is your ssh client, you should be logging in as user@remote

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kormoc:

Yeah, it's taken me quite awhile to get out of the habit, but I'm really of the opinion that root should not be used outside of special recovery these days.

[04:08:21]

xris:

Aval0n: sudo -i ====== su -

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xris:

daMaestro: makes a lot more sense in a corporate environment... root password only exists on a piece of paper inside of a fire safe.. NO ONE knows it.

[04:09:08]

kormoc:

xris, I'm fighting for that to go away

[04:09:16]

xris:

kormoc: for what?

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Aval0n:

interesting

[04:09:32]

kormoc:

any situtation that makes it so I can't reset it via single user mode or the like, I'm gonna be using another box to do recovery on stuff, so I don't ever need the root password

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xris:

kormoc: true.

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kormoc:

xris, I don't want any of our root passwords recorded anywhere

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daMaestro:

xris, i have nothing against sudo

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daMaestro:

xris, it's just not enabled by default on centos/fedora

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xris:

Aval0n: it's about controlling user access. any user who knows a root password is a security risk.. if all they have is sudo, you can just turn off sudo access.

[04:10:26]

xris:

daMaestro: I know. annoys the heck out of me. but it's 15 seconds to turn it on. :)

[04:10:31]

daMaestro:

correct.

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kormoc:

If they leave/get fired, all that work to change passwords, get them on the right peices of paper in the right locations without other people seeing them... etc...

[04:10:50]

kdubya:

i have never in my live used sudo

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kormoc:

major pain in the ass

[04:11:19]

kormoc:

I actually have alias su='sudo -i' in my bash profile

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GreyFoxx:

I just use "sudo su" :)

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kdubya:

heh

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, amusingly enough, I've run into two different boxes that didn't have su (both centos 5), as the admins removed it to prevent people from using it

[04:12:36]

kormoc:

so I switched to the -i so it doesn't require su :P

[04:13:28]

daMaestro:

so, they removed coreutils?

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daMaestro:

or just broke an rpm provided package?

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kormoc:

so xris, bout the iphone stuff, should I update the ajax to handle back buttons and the like?

[04:13:43]

GreyFoxx:

Ive yet to encounter a linux machine without it, but then it's usually boxes I or my cohorts in crime installed so I know it's there :)

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kormoc:

they rolled their own coreutils

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daMaestro:

good ;-)

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daMaestro:

i like when i hear about *real* adims

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daMaestro:

hmm admins*

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xris:

kormoc: it's not back button within the ajax, but back button from other pages.

[04:15:13]

xris:

but might as well... it's just a matter of posting to an iframe, right?

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kormoc:

xris, that's the 'old' way :P

[04:15:36]

kormoc:

xris, new way is to do it with html anchors, #date

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xris:

ah, slick. much easier, too

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kormoc:

That's the idea

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kormoc:

There's some magic that I need to read up on before I tackle it, iframes just work, html anchors need a few hooks to do things right and I want to get all the hooks correct

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xris:

good enough. no biggie, just thought I'd mention it since I can see how it'd annoy people

[04:18:37]

** xris is supposed to be buried in the SD finances tonight... **

[04:18:51]

xris:

supposed to have a 5 year budget for 501c3 applications.

[04:19:14]

xris:

but I'm happy to say that I have a spreadsheet that impressed our accounting firm. heh

[04:20:18]

xris:

scotch should help...

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

I'm on enough dex to stop coughing that the walls are talking to me...

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kormoc:

sounds like a perfect time to code!

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Arfdee:

daMaestro, eeek

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Arfdee:

for -i do I specify my user's private file?

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Arfdee:

hmm

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Arfdee:

oh, got it, thx:)

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xris:

kormoc: just get well for the party this weekend. :)

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Arfdee:

daMaestro, got it working, seems to have to buffer a lot, though, do you have any ideas on how to make it more efficiently done?

[04:24:12]

Arfdee:

should i tell it to use mplayer or something instead of totem?

[04:24:13]

Arfdee:

(or vlc)

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daMaestro:

not use ssh?

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Arfdee:

well, i'm about 120 miles away

[04:24:36]

Arfdee:

my options are somewhat limited:O

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daMaestro:

and you can't just access the http server?

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Arfdee:

i could open up that port on the router, i guess, but are you saying it's that much faster through http as opposed to ssh?

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daMaestro:

also, if you use mplayer or vlc with a cache, not sure about how to do caching with totem

[04:25:58]

Arfdee:

it keeps stopping and "buffering" with totem

[04:26:07]

Arfdee:

i just thought maybe one of the others could handle it better, i dunno

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daMaestro:

yes, http vs http over ssh will be faster

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daMaestro:

it's all about the bitrate you are getting from your system

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xris:

Arfdee: official mythweb author recommendation: open up port 443, run htdigest authentication on mythweb, run mythweb over https

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cafuego:

multirec will be in 0.22?

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xris:

cafuego: thought multirec ws in .21

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Aval0n:

it tis

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Aval0n:

;)

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cafuego:

xris: I just got 0.21 installed here, but I can't find it..

[04:28:21]

Arfdee:

xris, you wrote mythweb?

[04:28:27]

cafuego:

I was assuming i need to set an option somewhere?

[04:28:30]

Aval0n:

xris: is the man

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Aval0n:

;)

[04:29:03]

Aval0n:

cafuego: are you in the us?

[04:29:08]

cafuego:

Aval0n: No, australia

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Aval0n:

ahh

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Aval0n:

well multirec might actually help you then :)

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Arfdee:

xris, for the htdigetst authentication on mythweb, is that something in the mythweb settings or in httpd.conf?

[04:29:32]

Aval0n:

we get like hd chance per mux here

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cafuego:

Seeing as I have 2 tuners and want to record 3 shows (bit of overlap..) at once...

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xris:

Arfdee: httpd

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xris:

Arfdee: you running .21?

[04:30:54]

Arfdee:

yessir

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xris:

cafuego: I think it's just supposed to "work"

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xris:

Arfdee: read INSTALL and look at the mythweb.conf.apache file that came with mythweb

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xris:

it explains a lot of that, and I'm pretty sure that I left sample htdigest in the conf file, but commented out (have to leave it commented out because it's slightly different for different versions of apache)

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Arfdee:

:O

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cafuego:

xris: Okay, I'll see if i can do some difficult scheduling and see what happens.

[04:33:30]

Arfdee:

xris, i actually copied that file over to my mythweb.conf

[04:34:05]

Arfdee:

and changed one line on it to make my mythweb work

[04:34:36]

Arfdee:

I *strongly* urge you to turn on authentication for MythWeb.

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xris:

Arfdee: then take a look at the auth stuff in it.

[04:34:42]

Arfdee:

that portion?

[04:34:44]

xris:

yeah

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Arfdee:

do i leave it all as it is?

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xris:

you'll need to enable that, and then create yourself an htdigest file (with the htdigest command)

[04:35:04]

xris:

Arfdee: read. :)

[04:36:25]

Arfdee:

err what is a realm?

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Arfdee:

a group?

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daMaestro:

sorta, yes

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Arfdee:

htdigest [ -c ] passwdfile realm username

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daMaestro:

realm is the "name" of the part of the website that shares a set of usernames/passwords for use with basic auth. You set it with AuthName.

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Arfdee:

oh ok

[04:39:28]

Arfdee:

so it has to match what is in mythweb.conf

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xris:

Arfdee: realm is just an arbitrary string to identify the network.. use MythTV or something like that

[04:39:43]

Arfdee:

ok, so it needs to match authname

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xris:

Arfdee: no.. realm is only used between the server and browser.

[04:39:52]

daMaestro:

Arfdee, it's so you can have one auth file for multiple areas

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xris:

sort of like "salt" for crypt

[04:40:04]

Justin__:

anyone know where /usr/bin/mythprime comes from? I don't see it in the sources

[04:40:21]

Justin__:

i need the source so i can recompile for my node

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Arfdee:

hmm

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Arfdee:

xris, what should i put for htdigest's username?

[04:41:51]

Justin__:

its compiled and hard coded for node 1

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xris:

Justin__: I don't think that has anything to do with mythtv

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xris:

Arfdee: username is whatever username you want to use..

[04:42:20]

Justin__:

xris: its linked to in init.d/mythbackend ...

[04:42:34]

xris:

Justin__: weird.. something from your distro, then.

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Arfdee:

xris, i mean, is it a system username? that i'd already have?

[04:42:46]

Justin__:

i guess its a gutsy backports thing then

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xris:

since init.d stuff is also nothing to do with mythtv, officially anyway

[04:42:50]

Kernel:

hmm the new mythweather uses bbc?....and i cant seem to find a close weather station to me....closest one is a few states away

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kormoc:

Justin__, doesn't exist in my init.d or my system

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xris:

Arfdee: whatever you what. it's the name you'll use to log into the web page

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Justin__:

damn ubuntu

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xris:

Kernel: new mythweather uses several different sources, depending on where you are.. but only the scripts that work will show up. if you're in the US, it probably means you're missing some perl modules

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Arfdee:

k thx

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Kernel:

ah ic

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Justin__:

would there be a source tarball for the ubuntu deb anywhere?

[04:44:46]

xris:

Justin__: apt-get source?

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kormoc:

Justin__, you would need to talk to the ubuntu folks, they maintain their one channels on freenode so you might want to ask in there

[04:45:03]

Justin__:

ok thanks

[04:45:12]

briand:

Hmm. Mythwelcome says the next show set to record will run from "9:00PM to 2200" ...

[04:45:28]

kormoc:

that's a bit of a long time

[04:45:35]

briand:

no, it's just an hour.

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Arfdee:

xris, it works, thx kind sir:)

[04:45:43]

xris:

Arfdee: cool

[04:45:47]

Arfdee:

however, i am concerned now that i have the web server open to the world:(

[04:45:52]

briand:

just uses two different ways to express the time in one phrase... a bit odd, at best.

[04:45:52]

kormoc:

briand, there's no :, so wouldn't that be a year then?

[04:45:55]

xris:

Arfdee: you running over port 80 or 443?

[04:46:12]

xris:

Arfdee: the authentication will help you somewhat. feel free to msg me the url and I'll double check that it's secure.

[04:46:28]

briand:

kormoc: there is a : ... my omission in relaying the issue in IRC. ;)

[04:46:33]

Arfdee:

xris, well, i didn't forward port 80

[04:46:35]

Arfdee:

only port 443

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kormoc:

briand, heh, fair 'nuff

[04:46:56]

xris:

Arfdee: 443 + auth is "very" secure

[04:47:16]

xris:

assuming you have a good password

[04:47:16]

Arfdee:

well, i mean in terms of whatever else might be on the webserver

[04:47:16]

xris:

and keep apache and openssl up to date

[04:47:30]

Arfdee:

just some old web file dirs

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briand:

kormoc: my guess is, someone decided to feed mythwelcome some "friendly" times, rather than the military time it had been doing... but they only did half the job.

[04:47:30]

xris:

Arfdee: can always just turn auth on for the whole server.

[04:48:23]

Arfdee:

xris, i don't seem to be out of the woods:O

[04:48:31]

xris:

?

[04:48:35]

Arfdee:

i click on the stream

[04:48:38]

Arfdee:

and it opens up totem

[04:48:51]

Arfdee:

prompts for user/pass and then says it can't open the library or load the library

[04:48:59]

Arfdee:

which was not a problem before(even though i had the slowness)

[04:49:10]

Arfdee:

"could not initializing supporting library"

[04:50:48]

Arfdee:

i wonder why it doesn't do that when i did it through ssh

[04:50:48]

briand:

I don't know who originally created the transcode script for the Nokia N800... but I'm *loving* it! :) I'm filling up my SDHC cards with video that's been collecting on my myth box for the past couple years. :)

[04:50:54]

Kernel:

xris: will i have to recompile the plugins after i install some missing perl plugins?...i installed all the ones my os provided...was missing a few of them though

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xris:

Kernel: hopefully not

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xris:

briand: have you checked out gmyth?

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xris:

Arfdee: weird

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Kernel:

hmm the location search still cant find my area code or town name

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Arfdee:

xris, assuming you did the auth thing

[04:58:50]

Arfdee:

what video player would you use?

[04:58:55]

xris:

mythtv. :)

[04:58:59]

Arfdee:

?

[04:58:59]

xris:

or the built-in flv player

[04:59:08]

Arfdee:

the flash one?

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xris:

in other words, I don't watch videos remotely

[04:59:13]

Arfdee:

so you'd watch it through the web browser?

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Arfdee:

i dont think i have the built in flv player??!

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xris:

on the rare occasion that I'd watch something from a remote IP, yeah, just through flash

[04:59:37]

xris:

you need to turn it on.

[04:59:46]

xris:

I made sure it was off by default because it's rather limited.

[05:00:00]

Arfdee:

oic

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Arfdee:

something else in mythweb.conf?

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xris:

no, in the web settings.

[05:01:02]

xris:

MOST mythweb settings should now be accessible via the web itself

[05:01:26]

Arfdee:

in what way is it limited?

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kormoc:

I believe all are, I fixed the last of the ones in the mythweb.conf

[05:02:07]

xris:

Arfdee: have to compile your own ffmpeg in most distros.. and it's based on ffmpeg....

[05:02:08]

Arfdee:

wow!

[05:02:08]

Arfdee:

this works very well

[05:02:22]

xris:

kormoc: well, db settings, etc, no?

[05:02:27]

kormoc:

well, that's it

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Arfdee:

however, i am wondering if this is any better than if i did an ssh tunnel:)

[05:02:50]

Arfdee:

xris, it is streaming seamlessly

[05:02:57]

xris:

Arfdee: it's pretty cool

[05:03:09]

xris:

would be even better if it supported cutlists (ffmpeg doesn't).

[05:03:26]

Arfdee:

well, i am just wondering if it's any advantage if i am using flv to

[05:03:31]

Arfdee:

just going back to ssh tunnel

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Arfdee:

(this way I could turn off public https)

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xris:

but that'll come when the backend can encode flv for me

[05:04:22]

Arfdee:

i haven't had a pause or skip yet

[05:04:24]

xris:

public https + authentication is pretty secure. and this way, you can access it from ANY computer, not just one with ssh

[05:04:33]

xris:

cool for showing mythweb off to friends, coworkers, etc. :)

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Arfdee:

yeah that is true

[05:05:27]

Arfdee:

<xris> but that'll come when the backend can encode flv for me

[05:05:30]

Arfdee:

referring to what?

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Arfdee:

i have the commercials flagged

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xris:

Arfdee: for .22 (or maybe .23 or later), the backend itself will do the flv encoding, rather than relying on ffmpeg.. which means we can make the flash player do a LOT more... like skip commercials

[05:07:11]

Arfdee:

that's months away, though, isn't it?

[05:07:26]

Arfdee:

can i pop out the flv window so i can move it?

[05:08:41]

Arfdee:

there's a button to maximize the window, but i was wondering if there's a way to pop it out

[05:08:45]

Arfdee:

so you can move it to another part of the screen

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kdubya:

does libgmyth have any commercial skip crap in it?

[05:11:11]

xris:

kdubya: you'd probably have to ask in #gmyth

[05:11:28]

xris:

Arfdee: doubtful. the player is pretty basic at the moment

[05:11:43]

xris:

I was hoping to get someone from summer of code to help rewrite it, but I missed the application deadline

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** cesman ponders why call it "crap".... **

[05:17:50]

cesman:

the source is open, fix it!

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xris:

evening, cesman

[05:20:06]

xris:

you see my email on the SD list?

[05:20:39]

cesman:

hi xris

[05:20:45]

cesman:

Yes, I did

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Arfdee:

xris, so it's not possible to get it to pop out in a window?

[05:21:04]

Arfdee:

(at the time)

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xris:

Arfdee: not that I know of. I didn't actually write the player

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Arfdee:

oh ok. can you at least skip to a portion in it?

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xris:

the source is in mythextras if you know anything about FLEX and want to help. :)

[05:21:46]

xris:

no skipping ahead with a stream

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Arfdee:

i mean i thought like a youtube video

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Arfdee:

you could go to a certain point in the video

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quink:

hello. I was wondering is the upgrade from .20 to .21 a fairly major one? I mean upgrading a backend

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justdave:

quink: yes.

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justdave:

make backups

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justdave:

and probably wait until the kinks get knocked out

[05:24:07]

quink:

heh

[05:24:19]

quink:

Thats what i was thinking. I have a 'customized' mythvvideo setup

[05:24:26]

quink:

basically use xine with a few things thrown on there

[05:24:38]

quink:

and i forgot what i did for my optical out and stereo out

[05:25:06]

quink:

But my whole system is a bit screwed up(apache, php, other stuff) and was thinking while i do major upgrades i might add myth to the list

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Arfdee:

xris, i thought that because there is a "bar" on it

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Arfdee:

i didn't know if that could move

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MonkeyPet:

Hi guys, i am trying to compile 0.21 for the xbox, it seems to have compiled fine, but segfaults.

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xris:

Arfdee: it briefly let you rewind... but it stopped working randomly at some point

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Arfdee:

:O

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MonkeyPet:

#0 0x41527e87 in object_pool::object_pool () from /usr/lib/libmyth-0.21.so.0

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MonkeyPet:

#1 0x41527d72 in FreeSurround::samplesPerBlock ()

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Arfdee:

well, thanks again

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Arfdee:

bye

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MonkeyPet:

here is the backtrace: http://pastebin.ca/942059

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fatejudger:

for some reason many channels I'm able to receive on my MCE partition aren't coming in on mythtv, am I not setting something properly?

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iamlindoro:

UGH.

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iamlindoro:

Well thanks LOST. Thanks for tearing out my heart.

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fatejudger:

don't spoil it for me man

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jamesd:

fatejudger, try changing the antenta to a other connection on the card.. and make sure firmware is getting updated on the card

[05:36:37]

fatejudger:

another connection on the card?

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kdubya:

what card is it fatejudger?

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fatejudger:

it's a PVR-350, it just has one input

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kdubya:

analog

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kdubya:

youre doing something wrong

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jamesd:

then disregaurd that advice.. mine has 2 :-)

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fatejudger:

I guess so

[05:37:22]

iamlindoro:

first guess would be you didn't set the right frequency table

[05:37:30]

iamlindoro:

What channel numbers do you get?

[05:37:34]

iamlindoro:

2–12?

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro: what's the matter lost sucked tonight or something?

[05:37:57]

iamlindoro:

Aval0n: No, it was amazing, just terribly sad

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fatejudger:

I get a bunch of channels

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Aval0n:

ahh

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iamlindoro:

fatejudger: in *myth*

[05:38:23]

fatejudger:

but when I try to tune to them it doesn't come in

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MonkeyPet:

iamlindoro, i stopped watching lost a long time back, too dark.

[05:38:31]

fatejudger:

just static

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fatejudger:

all of those same channels come in on MCE

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iamlindoro:

Then you almost certainly set the wrong frequency table before scanning

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fatejudger:

what's a frequency table?

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kdubya:

he is on analog, he shouldnt be scaning

[05:38:56]

kdubya:

scanning

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fatejudger:

why not?

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iamlindoro:

kdubya: huh? You most certainly can scan in analog

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kdubya:

sure you could, but why

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iamlindoro:

fatejudger: You using coax in?

[05:39:29]

fatejudger:

that's right

[05:39:39]

fatejudger:

coax in from my crappy university cable

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fatejudger:

they split the connection so many times, the signal isn't worth a damn

[05:40:08]

fatejudger:

but it's good enough

[05:40:13]

kdubya:

go to a better school

[05:40:28]

fatejudger:

hah

[05:40:33]

kdubya:

one outside of california

[05:40:37]

fatejudger:

I guess you don't approve of USC?

[05:40:41]

kdubya:

heh

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iamlindoro:

fatejudger: Go back to mythtv-setup, rescan for channels, try us-cable, us-cable IRC, us-cable HRC until you find the one that works properly

[05:41:43]

iamlindoro:

Also try different modulations, cheap uni cable might be modulating QAM 64 instead of 256

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fatejudger:

how do I adjust my modulation?

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kdubya:

i doubt he is going to be picking up QAM with a pvr350

[05:42:37]

kdubya:

you dont need to

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kdubya:

just try the three us-cable things

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fatejudger:

trying right now

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fatejudger:

okay, I tried and it failed

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kdubya:

what you mean it didnt catch ANYTHING?

[05:47:05]

fatejudger:

the "cable" settings only seem to pick up the lower channels

[05:47:11]

fatejudger:

2–12 or so

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kdubya:

wierd

[05:47:22]

fatejudger:

"bcast" picks up a few more

[05:47:23]

fatejudger:

that's it

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kdubya:

HRC and IRC didnt get any?

[05:47:37]

fatejudger:

they got the lower ones

[05:47:41]

fatejudger:

poor quality though

[05:47:50]

fatejudger:

some static

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kdubya:

have you tried to look at them in tvtime

[05:48:23]

fatejudger:

no

[05:48:28]

fatejudger:

does that matter?

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fatejudger:

it works in MCE

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kdubya:

yeah

[05:48:49]

kdubya:

but if you cant get them in tvtime, it might be your card fighting with the linux drivers

[05:48:56]

kdubya:

and it has nothing to do with myth

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fatejudger:

I'm supposed to use the MPEG driver, right?

[05:49:23]

kdubya:

yeah

[05:49:26]

kdubya:

mpeg2

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fatejudger:

is there something else I ought to try?

[05:52:17]

kdubya:

youre in kind of a wierd situation

[05:52:24]

kdubya:

no telling what the dorm is doing

[05:52:39]

kdubya:

can you even get listings?

[05:52:48]

kdubya:

like, did they screw up the channel numbers

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fatejudger:

I haven't bought the schedules direct service yet

[05:53:49]

fatejudger:

I wanted to make sure I got a proper signal

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fatejudger:

should I try to install tvtime?

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briand:

xris: no.. nor maemo-myth either, yet...

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kdubya:

fatejudger, you could

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kdubya:

i dont really know what else you could try

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kormoc:

fatejudger, SD gives you a 7 day free trial

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iamlindoro:

tvtime doesn't work with PVR cards

[05:59:48]

iamlindoro:

IIRC

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kormoc:

mplayer will tho

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fatejudger:

I can't even select a video source

[06:00:01]

fatejudger:

yeah

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kormoc:

and you use ivtvtune.pl or the like

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fatejudger:

tvtime doesn't work

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kdubya:

what seriously?

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iamlindoro:

yup, no ivtv cards

[06:00:21]

kdubya:

i could have sworn i used tvtime with a 150

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kdubya:

heh

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kormoc:

kdubya, http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/cards.html#ivtv

[06:01:20]

kormoc:

fatejudger, dmesg will show you more info about the driver and what it thinks is going on

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fatejudger:

I'm still trying to see if I can watch tv with mplayer

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fatejudger:

i'm not exactly sure how to

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kormoc:

gmplayer /dev/video0 or the like

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fatejudger:

kormoc: it's all static

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kormoc:

so now tune to a channel using ivtvctl or the like

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fatejudger:

ivtvctl

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iamlindoro:

if you don't have that you can try ivtv-tune -c 10 for channel 10, etc

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, ivtv-tune uses ivtvctl :P

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Just seemed a little friendlier :)

[06:08:26]

iamlindoro:

but I didn't know that, my mistake

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kormoc:

no worries

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fatejudger:

so should I try playing it in mplayer?

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kormoc:

keep mplayer open when you change channels, it should

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kormoc:

*it should display the new channels as you change them

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fatejudger:

yeah, but how do I initialize a tv feed in mplayer?

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iamlindoro:

what's to initialize? mplayer /dev/video# will play the stream from the mpeg-2 encoder on your card. In another terminal, you change the channels and watch the pretties appear on the screen

[06:19:31]

ServerSage:

So when I scroll through the aspect ratios with 'w', I only have 4:3 and 14:9, no 16:9 or 4:3 zoom. How do I add these?

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fatejudger:

it's simply displaying a black screen

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iamlindoro:

fatejudger: use ivtvctl to set the proper input

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iamlindoro:

erm, I gues v4l2-ctl is the right tool, actually

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fatejudger:

isn't v4l2 for PVR-150s?

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fatejudger:

there's something very wrong

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fatejudger:

why does it have a black screen?

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sshirley:

so who else is crying after upgrading to 0.21?

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MonkeyPet:

sshirley,i am happy.

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Anduin:

fatejudger: No it isn't, black screen could be several things, including switching inputs away from the tuner, and v4l2-ctl (and ivtvctl when it still did that) works with frequencies not channels, if you can find ivtv-tune it would be better, you can also look at any standard TV that you would plug in, if it works, well then what iamlindoro said long ago should have worked.

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** ServerSage cries often. **

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Anduin:

sshirley: Still the shimmering problem?

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ServerSage:

Anduin: That would be the same reason I'm crying.

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** cesman wonders what is "the shimmering problem"? **

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ServerSage:

cesman: It's hard to describe, but edges appear to shimmer. By edges I mean when there are two contrasting colors touching on the screen (red/black, white/black, red/blue).

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ServerSage:

It looks like an interlacing problem to me, but I have tried all of the blending options to no avail.

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mchou_:

I wonder if that could be a display driver issue too

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ServerSage:

mchou_: I suppose it could be. sshirley: What video card and what driver version?

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mchou_:

If it works, dont fix it :)

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sshirley:

Anduin: Yes. Only with LiveT and recordings

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sshirley:

Anduin....sorry...I meant the video is jerky

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ServerSage:

mchou_: It was working great until the upgrade to .21. :( But, an nvidia update could have been hidden in the upgrade list and I missed it.

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sshirley:

ServerSage: ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro. Driver version 8.47

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mchou_:

ServerSage: or it's possible that 0.21 started using some "advanced" display driver features.... who knows

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mchou_:

which exposed the driver issues :)

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mchou_:

sshirley: ATI??

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ServerSage:

mchou_: Well, sshirley has ATI and I have nVidia. :(

[06:47:53]

mchou_:

sshirley: lol, I'm surprised it works at all :)

[06:49:57]

mchou_:

so why dont you guys just revert to an earlier version of myth and be done with it?

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ServerSage:

mchou_: Like an idiot I didn't backup my database. :/

[06:51:24]

Deek:

the upgrade did for you.

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ServerSage:

Deek: Oh? *gets excited*

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Deek:

look in your recordings dir

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sshirley:

mchou: Yeah, ATI. I kinda regret it now.

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sshirley:

nVidia seems to be much better supported

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ServerSage:

You just made my day Deek.

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Frosty-:

What does "Program ID" mean in mythweb? It has values such as "/7031679"

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Frosty-:

Myth has sucessfully recorded for 2 whole days now, im so happy :) I think the endless reinstalling has worn out the gremlins :)

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hnitsuj:

program id is a unique identifier for every show allocated by the grabber

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Frosty-:

ah okay, I didn't notice it in 0.20 and it looked kind of random, that explains it, thanks :)

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Frosty-:

I'm so happy with Myth now :) I keep refreshing mythweb pages. god I'm sad

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shiznix:

do i need two tuners for PiP to work ?

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cesman:

yes

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hnitsuj:

generally yes. I think PiP might work with DVB tuners as long as channels are on the same transponder/multiplex – if PiP works at all with multirec that is

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shiznix:

ok, thanks :)

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Frosty-:

Trying to get my head around how back/front-ends work.

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Frosty-:

Everything I change in the frontend menus, are just frontend settings?

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hnitsuj:

nope

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directhex|work:

Frosty-, backends record and schedule. frontends watch

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Frosty-:

okay, MythVideo settings are frontend unique?

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hnitsuj:

whoah loads more cars available today. gonna have my work cut out

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hnitsuj:

Frosty-: yes, but global over all frontends

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directhex|work:

hnitsuj, i thought you were going french

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hnitsuj:

directhex|work: I am, still loads more appeared today

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directhex|work:

hnitsuj, well, good luck. on both counts

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Frosty-:

right, so if I set mythvideo's storage directory as /blah/moo .. that directory must be the same on all frontends

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directhex|work:

Frosty-, right

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hnitsuj:

directhex|work: lemons can happen on cars of any nationality. I've known people with them all :)

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directhex|work:

hnitsuj, absolutely. and the worst car i've personally owned was italian

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Frosty-:

do I also need to setup the frontends to have direct access to the recordings folder for scheduled recordings?

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directhex|work:

hnitsuj, it's just the french are so very very *good* at it. there's nothing like a dead engine at 1am when you're being driven to the hospital in an emergency

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directhex|work:

Frosty-, i think it can do that over the myth protocol

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Dibblah:

Yup. Streaming is a fallback

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Frosty-:

right so if it can't find the folder, it streams

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Frosty-:

I think I need to stop asking FAQ's and check a frontend howto

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Frosty-:

thanks :)

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hnitsuj:

Frosty-: if a frontend has the same hostname as a backend, fun can ensue if you don't give it a unique identifier – files will not be found ;)

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directhex|work:

yeah, that gets messy

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directhex|work:

hostnames should be unique damnit!

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hnitsuj:

right. off I go, satnav in hand

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directhex|work:

they didn't nick the satnav then

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Frosty-:

I can't seem to be able to change the volume in MythMusic, when I press [ or ] the volume slide appears but won't move up or down :s

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jduggan:

Frosty-: probably using the wrong device

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Frosty-:

Okay. How do I change the device? :(

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jduggan:

in setup

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jduggan:

i think its in the general menu

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jduggan:

although i could be wrong =]

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Frosty-:

Hmm, I found the setting "Audio Device". I have 3 options, "Default", "/dev/dsp" and "/dev/adsp". With default, the slider appears but won't move. With /dev/dsp, the slider moves but the volume doesn't, With /dev/adsp with slider doesn't appear

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directhex|work:

Frosty-, alsa:default

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directhex|work:

Frosty-, assuming you're running a kernel from the past 5 years or so

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Frosty-:

Ah, I was looking at Music Settings

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Frosty-:

Audio output is ALSA:default

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Frosty-:

I'm new to the whole desktop linux thing :/ Used linux for 10 years but only used ssh :)

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directhex|work:

then change the mixer you're using. if it's on Master, try PCM. or somesuch

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directhex|work:

PCM is a good bet, generally

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Frosty-:

the Mixer was /dev/mixer, changed that to ALSA:default to match the Audio Device and it worked :)

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Frosty-:

\o/

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Frosty-:

thankyou!

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Frosty-:

this channel is awesome, I'd be nowhere without the help from you guys

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Dagmar:

Man httpd has gotten a lot more onerous to configure in a minimalist fashion since 1.3

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: which httpd?

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tjcarter:

Unless that's part of your point ;)

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: Apache I suspect probably takes the cake as the most complex thing of all the httpds

[10:51:08]

Dagmar:

I'm trying to get this new myth-httpd package for Slackware working, and it's taking ages.

[10:51:24]

Dagmar:

I keep finding bits and pieces that just shoudln't be in there, and this is basically supposed to be a "turnkey" package to support MythWeb

[10:51:51]

Dagmar:

...so I begin "the cycle". Build, analyze, swear, edit, repeat.

[10:52:37]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: you know my view on turnkey Myth..

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directhex|work:

if you're not rewriting your own mythtv yourself every time, you're a wussypants?

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Frosty-:

I'd like a visualization that is a 3d model dancer

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Frosty-:

that would rock

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directhex|work:

with huge tracts o' land?

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tjcarter:

directhex: I want to see a turnkey myth disc that's just a DVR for specific hardware setups that are known to work.

[10:57:58]

tjcarter:

Myth in a can.

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directhex|work:

tjcarter, it's more specific than that though – you even need to worry about the physical location of the mythbox, for listings

[10:59:14]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: My view on it is that I don't like support queries

[10:59:44]

Dagmar:

As far as I care, better if the thing "just works" from the inital install, so that if something breaks I can say "You broke it."

[10:59:53]

tjcarter:

directhex: unfortunately, that seems to be correct.

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directhex|work:

everything i say is correct!

[11:01:25]

tjcarter:

I can imagine it wouldn't be hard to preconfigure several locales' best grabber options

[11:01:43]

tjcarter:

but it's still going to be a pain in the ass if you don't live somewhere with a great listing source.

[11:01:45]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: Thus eliminating some support emails

[11:02:32]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: I'd take it a step further.

[11:02:39]

Dagmar:

This is why I was on about using ALSA as the default config for the frontend, since it's just /far/ more likely that people are using ALSA and not OSS.

[11:03:01]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: there is a thread containing about 85 emails discussing how Comcast is pushing everyone to digital STBs and DVRs.

[11:03:25]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: ... the list in question is full of blind people who think the DVR idea is cool, but they can't use them.

[11:03:29]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, already the case on ubuntu

[11:04:18]

Dagmar:

Comcast, to put it bluntly, can go FUCK THEMSELVES.

[11:05:05]

Dagmar:

They want to push people to using STBs and DVRs because it means they can make money selling ad-space on the program guide screens, as well rental fees from multiple STBs

[11:05:24]

Dagmar:

This is exactly why the FCC is pushing for CableCard, although I think the FCC is about to get seriously de-fanged.

[11:07:00]

tjcarter:

Cablecard is meaningless until I can shove one in my MythBox

[11:07:49]

Dagmar:

Well, considering how well the industry has been able to work *around* the FCC, CableCard is going to be useless to us for awhile it seems.

[11:08:11]

Dagmar:

Me, I'm just going to go find someone on the black market to sell be a bloody adapter if that's what it takes to watch what I paid for without encumbrances.

[11:08:21]

Dagmar:

I'm not pirating stuff.

[11:08:22]

tjcarter:

but still, the fact that blind people can't use the Comcast boxes, but COULD use Myth without much tweaking once configured suggests that a painless installation of Myth on carefully chosen hardware would not go amiss if it could als set up a little thing for blind people

[11:08:55]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: I suspect the ADA will pounce on them for that soon

[11:09:05]

tjcarter:

Not so likely.

[11:09:05]

Dagmar:

...although... blind people... and TV.... Hmm...

[11:09:13]

tjcarter:

I'm a blind people =D

[11:09:19]

tjcarter:

I watch TV.

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Dagmar:

Thick glasses don't always count you know

[11:09:33]

tjcarter:

Can't wear them

[11:09:47]

tjcarter:

but 6" from a screen, that I can do, if it's not a CRT

[11:10:06]

tjcarter:

but totally blind people watch TV all the time

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Dagmar:

s/watch/listen to/;

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tjcarter:

in fact, many I know have tried out for American Idol, God knows why.

[11:10:45]

tjcarter:

Hell will freeze before they'd ever get on the show.

[11:10:51]

tjcarter:

They're blind and they're talented.

[11:11:04]

Frosty-:

I know a blind person who has equipment which accepts the extra audio descriptive stream for some channels

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directhex|work:

know a project which is great for the blind & could do with commercial backing? rhythmbox

[11:11:09]

tjcarter:

These two factors guarantee they'll never get on.

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directhex|work:

bah

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directhex|work:

ROCKBOX

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directhex|work:

i always mess those two up

[11:11:29]

tjcarter:

Yeah, we like rockbox

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Frosty-:

They should add rumble to horror films, plug it into your chair

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tjcarter:

I gave up on it because they refuse to support the iPod database format =(

[11:12:07]

tjcarter:

why not, they're talking about doing that for pr0n

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** tjcarter said, "ew." **

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tjcarter:

anyway, making Myth work for blind people's easy

[11:14:19]

tjcarter:

add a few keys to send certain text to an external program/daemon for the guide and whatnot

[11:14:32]

tjcarter:

say title, say description, etc

[11:15:06]

tjcarter:

and something to say the name of the current menu item

[11:15:48]

tjcarter:

similar for OSD functions (although "earcons" might be more useful than speech for OSD stuff--just not sounds like the tivo has please)

[11:16:53]

tjcarter:

could even do it real nicely and play prerecorded sounds for menu items and any predictable text..

[11:17:37]

tjcarter:

that way you can use a synthetic voice for dynamic stuff and the static can be a real person--preferably the voice pattern model.

[11:18:15]

tjcarter:

text inputs would need some special logic, but most of this is dead simple to add.

[11:18:44]

tjcarter:

the heavy lifting can be called "provide your own speech program" ;)

[11:23:38]

tjcarter:

major thing--prerecorded or synthetic speech, both need to respond to "shutup" command internally

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tjcarter:

I'd also like to see Myth able to directly display closed captioning..

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** tjcarter does not know how to do that. **

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Wonka:

morning.

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: Acutally, with no actual shared object dependencies and WIDE support for various languages, festival is pretty much ideally suited for such things

[11:34:57]

Dagmar:

Hell, part of Festivals "charter" of sorts is that it's meant to be able to speak even dead languages, Gaelic specifically

[11:35:16]

Frosty-:

all this time compiling things, so much time wasted, the -j option speeds things up immensely

[11:36:47]

Dagmar:

Mainly only if you have an SMP system

[11:37:27]

Dagmar:

Setting -j to anything more than $(number of cores) + 1 puts one on the far side of diminishing returns usually

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directhex|work:

make's not exactly symmetric though!

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Dagmar:

Nor are about 99% of the makefiles out there.

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: festival would require a third core on most frontends =D

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directhex|work:

good thing tri-core phenoms are shipping, eh!

[11:43:54]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: But you're right, a festival-based speech daemon would be a good basic implementation.

[11:44:01]

tjcarter:

Replace if you have something better.

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** tjcarter has Alex **

[11:45:24]

Dagmar:

Actually, this is a *big* part of the reason it's one of the default TTS engines in GNOME and KDE.

[11:45:53]

Dagmar:

You can replace it with something better, but usually that means "configuring it to use a different diphone set and engine"

[11:46:11]

Dagmar:

Festical is really "out there" with respect to how well it does it's job

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Dagmar:

s/Festical/Festival/;

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tjcarter:

it also happens to be free software friendly

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tjcarter:

replacements will likely not be.

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Freman:

free software friendly, not nesicarily user friendly

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tjcarter:

http://yumi.bluecherry.net/~tjcarter/alex.mp3

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Dagmar:

Freeman: Teaching a kid to speak takes years

[11:50:53]

Dagmar:

Learning a new language takes just as long.

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Dagmar:

Don't expect to teach a computer to speak a new language overnight.

[11:51:41]

Dagmar:

At any rate, there's a shell script that can be invoked that can make Festival say pretty much anything from the default install

[11:52:04]

Dagmar:

So... no complaining that reconfiguring a speech-synthesis engine is "hard".

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Dagmar:

Speech is not simple.

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directhex|work:

statement: no shit, sherlock

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Dagmar:

Some tasks _are_ innately complex. The axiom "If out brains were so simple we could understand them, we would be so simple that we couldn't" comes to mind on this.

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Dagmar:

s/out/our/;

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directhex|work:

supplication: whatever you say, meatbag

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: That's one of the reasons it should not be coded into myth how you get speech.

[11:54:06]

tjcarter:

What to say and when, sure

[11:54:38]

tjcarter:

but the thing that does the talking should be given a language and what to say in it.

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Dagmar:

That could be hooked into MythTV pretty trivially acutally

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tjcarter:

exactly

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Dagmar:

The hard part would be making the speech output cleanly and aesthetically interruptible

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tjcarter:

the only complication is the mixing of prerecorded sounds as alternative to the talking, and what to do for some of the more complex things like line editing

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, which is largely impossible

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Dagmar:

Actually, no.

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, unless you just keep a set of speech files on disk, rockbox-style

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: you want it abruptly interruptable

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Dagmar:

It just requires a wee bit of support from the engine doing it, which afaik Festival is *not* suited for

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tjcarter:

as a speech user, just trust me.

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DustyBin:

my backend keeps on quitting! :(

[11:57:25]

Dagmar:

As a guy who was dorking around with this on his C=64, I'm very aware of the issues

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tjcarter:

stop saying what you're saying and say what you need to now.

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tjcarter:

was it your only interface on the C64?

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Dagmar:

Ya gotta be able to prod the thing and say "stop talking immediately" and then have it _stop at the last syllable like a human_

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DustyBin:

I used to have a C64

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DustyBin:

SYS 4096

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DustyBin:

LOAD "*",8,1

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tjcarter:

phoneme is usually enough

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Dagmar:

Most of these things generate the whole sample, and then start playing it, by which point it's too late to modify it's output

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DustyBin:

POKE 53281,4

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Dagmar:

phonemes sound bloody awful tho

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tjcarter:

LOAD "COFFEE",8,1

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Dagmar:

Believe me I had plenty of incentive to make S.A.M. cleaner

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DustyBin:

how do i turn on mythtv logging so i can make a note what keeps on crashing my backend?

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: as a blind user, we don't care. We want it to stop immediately and start saying the next thing.

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Dagmar:

Either way, the way Festival works, all you can really do is have a sound server handling each phrase as a separate event

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Dagmar:

...so that a new one can interrupt the other

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: A skilled blind user would hear "Wuh-- Me-- Mana-- Sk-- Se-- Upcom--" and be in the upcoming recordings list.

[12:01:37]

Dagmar:

Exactly.

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tjcarter:

because as fast as it can say the first phoneme or two, we've moved on

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Dagmar:

It would *definitely* not be a happy thing if it actually *completed* each phrase

[12:02:17]

Dagmar:

I've not a *damn* clue which sound server might facilitate preemptive concurrent playback

[12:02:19]

tjcarter:

if you wait for the thing to say "Watch" before saying "Meed" in Media, I'm gonna HATE YOU.

[12:02:30]

tjcarter:

Because it's too slow.

[12:03:00]

tjcarter:

syllables take too long. Shutup means shutup ;)

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Dagmar:

Oh, I wasn't really worrying too much about the syllable/diphone difference, since the thing's just emitting the whole phrase as one big audio file

[12:03:20]

tjcarter:

and moving to a new menu item means shutup and say the current menu item =D

[12:03:31]

Dagmar:

If you could do one you could deifnitely do the other without a problme

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DustyBin:

none of my partitions are full but i have this in my syslog quite a few times

[12:03:48]

DustyBin:

Mar 14 12:03:00 server kernel: dib0700: Unknown remote controller key : 1D 3D

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tjcarter:

people don't want arbitrary sounds for UI elements =(

[12:03:55]

DustyBin:

i doubt that would crash the backend

[12:03:57]

tjcarter:

they fear tivo pops

[12:04:07]

Dagmar:

DustyBin: WTF does that have to do with disk paritions?

[12:04:15]

tjcarter:

I say tivo pops should be the first sound scheme produced for the UI

[12:04:28]

tjcarter:

(get it out of the way so people can make something useful)

[12:04:29]

Dagmar:

That would be like HP OpenView's default colors.

[12:04:36]

DustyBin:

Dagmar: once i woke up in the morning, and my disk was full, /var/log was filled up with remote control errors

[12:04:41]

Dagmar:

"Incentive to get in there and do one that doesn't repulse the user"

[12:05:03]

Dagmar:

DustyBin: It looks like it's just catching spurious IR data to me

[12:05:04]

Dagmar:

I'd ignore it

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tjcarter:

I didn't say it should be enabled by default or come with MythTV

[12:05:31]

tjcarter:

I said it should be done as the first bit of sound for the UI ;)

[12:05:36]

DustyBin:

Dagmar: how can i make my mythbackend log everything to a file, so when it crashes i can read the last actions it did?

[12:05:46]

tjcarter:

so people with no sense who want tivoy sounds can have them

[12:05:54]

directhex|work:

it does, on most distros

[12:05:59]

tjcarter:

at that point the worst is done and you can make it better.

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Dagmar:

DustyBin: it already does that. /var/log/mythbackend.log is where I've got mine writing to. Just check the init script your distribution uses to start the backend and perhaps turn up the verbosity a little

[12:06:50]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: Hell, ship it with mythtv anyway

[12:07:02]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: http://www.aethis.com/solutions/hp_openview/images/nnm.jpg <-- those?

[12:07:05]

tjcarter:

that's just CDE

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Dagmar:

FORCE users to come to grips with the fact that it's not easy to come up with a sound theme that doesn't suck

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Frosty-:

got the Antec Fusion Black LCD working, now for lirc :( god this is going to take hours

[12:08:25]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: That's _close_. You really have to be looking at an entire desktop using those widgets, as well as the "lame green" and "putrescence purple" colors involved to fully appreciate the horror

[12:08:30]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: you much of a gamer?

[12:08:34]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: Yes.

[12:08:39]

tjcarter:

PS2?

[12:08:44]

Dagmar:

Some.

[12:08:51]

tjcarter:

ATV OffRoad Fury

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Dagmar:

I've got a PS2, a Wii, and a DS

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Dagmar:

That was just ugly.

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Dagmar:

It didn't make you hate having eyes.

[12:09:26]

tjcarter:

in the ATV select screen, there's a pretty plain sound when you change ANY setting

[12:09:29]

Dagmar:

Go find a nice HP 9000 somewhere and use it's console for a little while

[12:09:34]

Dagmar:

H-i-d-e-o-u-s

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tjcarter:

That sound (or one similar) might work for fast forward and speed increase

[12:10:25]

tjcarter:

a lower octave of same for similar rewind

[12:10:35]

Dagmar:

I say crib the sounds LCARS makes on TV.

[12:10:36]

tjcarter:

it's short, it's not very loud

[12:11:04]

Dagmar:

They're quiet, there's a lot of them to choose from, they're all short, and geeks will be comforted by their familiar nature.

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tjcarter:

but NOT for moving amongst menu items

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tjcarter:

hehe

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Dagmar:

Use a soft sliding noise foe that

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Dagmar:

s/foe/for/;

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tjcarter:

unless you're using per-item sounds of course, in which case they'd be something for blind people or probably just something horribly obnoxious ;)

[12:13:39]

tjcarter:

and the graphics in ATV OffRoad Fury were bad, and I'm blind.

[12:13:54]

tjcarter:

but it was lots of fun to do crazy shit in freestyle

[12:15:02]

tjcarter:

jump off a cliff, pull six tricks, and land JUST RIGHT at a slight incline to trick the engine into calling it a safe landing..

[12:15:03]

Dagmar:

aCTUALLY...

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Dagmar:

Hassle some of the Asterisk devs about what they're using for a speech engine, if anything

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tjcarter:

and someone shouts, "HE HAS NO NERTS!"

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Dagmar:

critch is one

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Dagmar:

Corydon is another

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Dagmar:

One of them *might* know about some bit of Festival that I don't.

[12:15:52]

Dagmar:

...actually, considering I've not had to dork with it seriosuly since about '98, the odds are really high one of them might know something I don't

[12:16:48]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: Actually the spectator got it wrong

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Dagmar:

He has "nerts". Whopping great solid brass ones that are uncrushable for obvious reasons.

[12:17:29]

Dagmar:

You could *not* get me to put a bike as high in the air as those nutjobs regularly do

[12:18:11]

tjcarter:

er, the stuff the game has landable (but only if you come down just right on a slightly sloped landing) is like 10 stories

[12:18:11]

Dagmar:

I prefer activities where an eff up might mean a sprained ankle or bruised hip, *not* ones where it could mean "eating my own kneecaps"

[12:18:15]

tjcarter:

you would be dead.

[12:18:28]

tjcarter:

that's the point =D

[12:19:10]

tjcarter:

actually, there are "OOF!" sounds when you come down hard.

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DustyBin:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 848 2008-03–14 12:18 mythbackend.log

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DustyBin:

was a permissions issue

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tjcarter:

but you can fool the engine into thinking you didn't sometimes =D

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DustyBin:

:D

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Dagmar:

heh

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DustyBin:

a backend log sounds like something one would do in the toilet

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: So what are you... > 87/20, macular degeneration, or extreme astigmatism?

[12:20:11]

Dagmar:

Just out of curiousity

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Dagmar:

I'm about 5 yards away from being declared legally blind here

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Frosty-:

too much monitor staring?

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Dagmar:

Lord knows before contact lenses became more common, I used to have cops giving me crap about the glasses requirement on my driver's licence, when without contacts I couldn't tell you whether or not my car even *had* a hood ornament, let alone get it out of the driveway

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: albino

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Dagmar:

Ah

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Frosty-:

a friend of mine is going blind and was told by the doctor to leave the computer alone but is addicted to Wow :o

[12:21:58]

Dagmar:

Frosty-: Oh he's got it easy. You don't really have to look at the screen to play with most guilds. ;)

[12:22:31]

Frosty-:

I used to play Priest, it wasn't wow, it was whack-a-mole

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: Before I found out about some "eyeball strengthening" exercises (i.e., lookin' at stuff close then far, then close, then far, ad nauseum) I couldn't even count the fingers on my own hand at arm's length without my glasses/contacts

[12:23:13]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: very low acuity (low resolution connection between eye/brain), no depth perception, strabismus, nystagmus, serious sensitivity to direct light, and oh yeah, I'm a little nearsighted.

[12:23:43]

Dagmar:

Ah, okay, so you're probably _less_ prone to leaving nose-marks on the display than I am

[12:23:58]

Dagmar:

I have to get *that* close to read 10pt

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tjcarter:

So do I.

[12:24:14]

tjcarter:

but I have a Macsicle now

[12:24:28]

Dagmar:

I know a guy from way back around here named "Trixx" who has the same issue

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tjcarter:

24"

[12:24:42]

tjcarter:

and I'm 5" from it now

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Dagmar:

I gotta be within 1–2"

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Dagmar:

Hence, nose marks.

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tjcarter:

I'm not looking at 10pt

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Dagmar:

LOTS of nose marks.

[12:25:10]

tjcarter:

I'm looking at 24pt on black background

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Dagmar:

I don't suppose you've tried say, a Glasstron have you?

[12:26:53]

Dagmar:

I've wondered whether or not those would actually be of use for that particular acuity problem

[12:27:24]

Dagmar:

"Looks like a six foot screen from eight feet away" or not, the emitters are less than an inch from the eyeballs

[12:27:31]

tjcarter:

nope

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tjcarter:

http://www.steves-digicams.com/glasstron.html

[12:27:53]

tjcarter:

...makes you look like a dork =D

[12:28:41]

Dagmar:

Yes, but... "Privacy of your own home" and all that

[12:29:01]

neb_:

heh, found the samsung q1 – lets try mythfrontend

[12:30:19]

Dagmar:

The resolution on them kinda sucks for text, but I've used one on demo before. Tested *without* my glasses.

[12:31:49]

Dagmar:

We're at the point now where *someone* should probably be making something like those with a _reasonable_ video resolution now

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magius_pendragon:

hello

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neb_:

think it's on 1024x600 which should be ok

[12:34:00]

Dagmar:

Frosty: Try Warlock. Fear Juggling is probably the most hectic thing I've ever done in WoW

[12:34:33]

Dagmar:

neb: 800x600 is about the highest I've seen with something approaching a "reaosnable" price. "Reasonable" in this case being $500–600

[12:35:11]

anenigma:

dunno what i've done. running 0.21 (upgraded from 0.20). i used to be able to press 'w' to cycle through to one of the "zoom"s. Basically, i have a 4:3 monitor, but 4:3 programs are broadcast with black bars, so one of the zooms would make the program fill the screen. did this feature move to some other key in 0.21?

[12:35:20]

Dagmar:

I suspect that possibly the Glasstron would have done a lot better if it had had better than practically QVGA resolution

[12:35:49]

Dagmar:

anenigma: maybe something unbound 'W'. Use MythControls to check.

[12:36:01]

Frosty-:

if I transcode a recorded progam, does it delete the original?

[12:36:03]

Dagmar:

It works here, although now there's mainly only "Stretch", "Half" and "Full"

[12:36:13]

Dagmar:

Frosty-: if you've told it to

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Frosty-:

ah okay, I'll investigate, thanks

[12:37:03]

anenigma:

Dagmar: should explain, W still cycles, but only through "None", "4:3", "16:9", "14:9". there's no zooms in mine

[12:37:05]

magius_pendragon:

I upgraded to mythtv-0.21_p16843 last night, and now my upcomming recordings aren't showing up anymore (it also had to run mythtv setup once before it was willing to bring me back into mythtv). The info looks like its still in the database, but i'm not familiar enough with mysql to know for sure. Anyone have any thoughts?

[12:38:45]

Dagmar:

anenigma: And you upgraded to 0.21? I think you messed up somewhere.

[12:39:11]

Dagmar:

Literally *all* I did over here was build the new 0.21 and replace the 0.20-fixes SVN binaries I had

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anenigma:

Dagmar: yeah, i just dunno how/where. that's pretty much what i did (with gentoo admittedly)

[12:39:46]

Dagmar:

Check to make sure you didn't bobble the prefix and actually have two mythfrontend binaries or something

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anenigma:

well, if i'd done that, it wouldn't let me watch tv

[12:40:31]

anenigma:

incorrect versions

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anenigma:

at first i didn't upgrade my frontend, only my backend.

[12:42:43]

Dagmar:

No, you might have just been starting all the old binaries without realizing it

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kormoc:

that sounds like the binding for aspect ratio is different then your zoom

[12:43:05]

Dagmar:

yay kormoc

[12:43:13]

magius_pendragon:

anyone?

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kormoc:

I would say double check that the button is zoom as you think rather then aspect ratio

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Dagmar:

So, all signs point to MythControls then

[12:44:59]

Frosty-:

magius_pendragon, have you changed the hostname

[12:45:12]

magius_pendragon:

Frosty-: nope, still localhost

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Dagmar:

You named the machine localhost?

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magius_pendragon:

i can watch tv, and watch old recordings, just not upcomming

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** Dagmar snickers **

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magius_pendragon:

Dagmar: no, my machine has a different hostname, I think localhost is what's in the myth setup. Frontend and backend are on the same machine

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anenigma:

kormoc: are keys defined in mythfrontend somewhere? (as in, can you change them from within mythfrontend) or do i need to look somewhere else

[12:46:15]

kormoc:

magius_pendragon, so check the logs?

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Dagmar:

magius_pendragon: Yes, and it's the actual hostname that if you change, everything associated with it tends to get lost

[12:46:32]

kormoc:

aneiane, there's a plugin called mythcontrol(s?) and it allows you to view/edit keys

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magius_pendragon:

Dagmar: I haven't changed the hostname since upgrading (or actually since I first setup the box when i built it 3 years ago)

[12:47:12]

Dagmar:

Okay, so that rules out that then

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Frosty-:

when I installed 0.21 it asked me for a unique id, I didn't know at the time, but that is the hostname

[12:47:56]

Frosty-:

I chnaged it to "omg this is unique yeah!" or something, and then lots of things broke

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anenigma:

kormoc: ok, thanks, going through that now

[12:48:02]

kormoc:

that' sjust for upnp iirc

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magius_pendragon:

ahh there we go, just needed to rerun mythfilldatabase

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magius_pendragon:

thanks everyone

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directhex|work:

kormoc, frontend settings are held in the database on a per-hostname setting

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directhex|work:

kormoc, that setting is for overriding the hostname, to resolve duplicates or run parallel configurations of myth

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kormoc:

I know

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kormoc:

ahh

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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kormoc:

I thought the only thing it asked for on setup was for the upnp id stuff

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Dagmar:

I'm a bad man

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kormoc:

I didn't know it asked to override the hostname by default

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Dagmar:

I never re-ran mythtv setup after upgrading to 0.21

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Dagmar:

God only knows what those values contain on my machine

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kormoc:

meh

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kormoc:

the only thing that really would be too screwed is your upnp stuff

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kormoc:

and running it anytime should fix it

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Dagmar:

Well, I'm not even touching uPnP untl I see a spec for it that's not written in "lunatic"

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directhex|work:

if you use 0.21, you're already using upnp

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talon:

what is the best DVB-T card to get for MythTV?

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Dagmar:

directhex: That's like saying most drivers use their turn signals

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, would you use turn signals without a schematic?

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Dagmar:

talon: Feel free to check the wiki

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Dagmar:

directhex: *I* use turn signals. I see plenty of people who apparently didn't elect to have that option installed on their vehicle

[12:54:18]

talon:

i've looked at the wiki a lot, but there is no real comparison between cards and much of the information seems incomplete and out of date

[12:54:35]

talon:

for example, many of the cards reviewed are not on the market anymore

[12:54:58]

talon:

and most of them are for use in the States, not Europe.

[12:54:58]

Dagmar:

That sounds about right. Keep reading.

[12:55:08]

Dagmar:

There is no "best"

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talon:

in terms of support, there must be

[12:55:21]

Dagmar:

There's mainly the union set of "what you can obtain" and "what works in your area"

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kormoc:

directhex|work, I'm not seemingly using upnp with my setup all on the same box. no mention of it in the logs

[12:55:25]

Dagmar:

No.

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anenigma:

ok, my issue was a keybinding thing. toggleaspect and togglefill were both set to 'W'. is this normal? if not, what are the normal keybindings for these?

[12:56:32]

kormoc:

aneiane, honestly, it could just be crappy defaults

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kormoc:

I'm using the smart auto-zoom patches right now to my enjoyment

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directhex|work:

0.21 uses UPnP for automatic backend discovery. no mysql.txt is required anymore on frontends

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kormoc:

directhex|work, heh, but if it's there, it doesn't do the discovery

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Dagmar:

So it actually broadcasts that _regardless_ of what the config is?

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anenigma:

aah, makes sense kormoc. ah well, i have it sorted now

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Dagmar:

Ah kormoc cleared that up

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Dagmar:

So I'm not actualy using uPnP

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kormoc:

dagar, that backend does unless you pass in the --very-long-disable-upnp-server-config-thing

[12:58:04]

kormoc:

the frontend won't bother looking if it has a valid config already tho

[12:58:12]

kormoc:

least, that's how it seems with mine

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Dagmar:

What's the backend got to probe for? More backends?"

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kormoc:

all the values are hardcoded into the config.xml thing

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kormoc:

dagar, actually yes, to setup as a slave or the master

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Dagmar:

MySQL doesn't respond to uPnP queries on it's own

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Dagmar:

kormoc: Ah okay

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Dagmar:

At some point that should probably be something that's easier to disable

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kormoc:

as people patch it to their liking, it likely will

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Dagmar:

'cuz the moment I find a uPnP spec not written in "lunatic" (particularly one relating to uPnP network queries) I'm probably going to be irresistably drawn to "malicious uPnP games"

[13:00:51]

Dagmar:

The *one* uPnP manager I've found for use on a Linux router is extremly gnomic

[13:01:47]

Dagmar:

I mean, I could just spew packets out on the network from /dev/random and see what breaks, but I'd rather have a few specifically malicious tasks in mind before i set about trying to figure out how make various devices fail

[13:02:32]

GreyFoxx:

the vast majority of upnp devices do nothing but give out a status page

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Dagmar:

That would be a sign you're not really trying.

[13:02:58]

Dagmar:

The goal should be the release of "magic smoke". ;)

[13:03:00]

GreyFoxx:

but latelymore and more are allowing for firewall config/port forwarding so that could be interesting to mess with

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kormoc:

Yeah, my routers have an option to allow 'dynamic firewall control' via upnp... I shuddered at the thought...

[13:03:54]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

[13:03:57]

GreyFoxx:

that stuff is spooky

[13:04:09]

Dagmar:

Yeah, I do knwo the spec really doesn't provide for any sort of restriction for what you're allowed to forward and why

[13:04:22]

Dagmar:

Once I've got the spec memorized I'm going to assault it like I did DHCP

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Thomas-:

ALWAYS turn off upnp in your firewalls/routers :)

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magius_pendragon:

anyone happen to know where the "extra config files" directory is for apache on gentoo? or what I shoudl be looking for? I See a couple mod_blah.conf files, but not much else

[13:05:34]

Dagmar:

magius_pendragon: Probably a subdir right next to whether it puts the httpd.conf

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Thomas-:

magius_pendragon: /etc/apache/ or /etc/apache2/ and then conf.d or similiar

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Dagmar:

I've built 2.2.8 about 16–17 times tonight. The default is definitely $confdir/extra

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kormoc:

magius_pendragon, there isnt' one. Typically just mkdir /etc/apache/vhosts.d and then add in the magic to the bottom of the httpd.conf to load them

[13:06:16]

magius_pendragon:

vhosts?

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Dagmar:

If your layout had sysconfdir as /etc+ then it *should* be /etc/apache2/extra

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kormoc:

magius_pendragon, well, depends on what you're doing

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magius_pendragon:

mythweb

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kormoc:

setting up mythweb, that's more a vhost then extra settings..

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magius_pendragon:

sorry should have clarified

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kormoc:

vhost == virtual host

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magius_pendragon:

*shrugs* i was just looking at hte install doc and didn't know what "extra config folder" they were looking for

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magius_pendragon:

kormoc: yeah i thought vhosts were something different i guess, thanks

[13:08:08]

Dagmar:

magius_pendragon: By default ${sysconfdir}/extra isn't called from the default http.conf file at all

[13:08:22]

Dagmar:

Those files are just there in case you'd like to include them in the main httpd.conf

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kormoc:

dagar, Apache by default doesn't spec out extra folders or define where they should be or what not, so Gentoo keeps the tradition and doesn't setup anything

[13:08:52]

Dagmar:

kormoc: It does, in fact, make a directory called explicitly "extra", dude.

[13:09:08]

kormoc:

dagar, not on my box it doesn't

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magius_pendragon:

Dagmar: not on mine either, but i already had vhosts.d

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Dagmar:

2.2.8, man.

[13:09:28]

Dagmar:

I am not kidding when I say I've built it about 16–17 times tonight.

[13:09:44]

Dagmar:

I keep running the build script, looking at the result, having to go and change a few more things...

[13:09:48]

magius_pendragon:

i'm running 2.2.8-r1

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magius_pendragon:

*shrugs* didn't work anyway, thanks

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kormoc:

2.2.6

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kormoc:

with the sni patchset

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kormoc:

there's nothing in my tarball that refers to extras

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Dagmar:

magius_pendragon: Well, there's nothing keeping you from editing httpd.conf and adding a line like "Include /usr/share/apache/htdocs/mythweb/mythweb.conf.apache"

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Dagmar:

...which will basically do the job nicely.

[13:11:25]

Dagmar:

kormoc: I'm still in the "chopping out the crap we don't need" phase of this

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Dagmar:

Apache is now very determined to keep the dav modules enabled.

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magius_pendragon:

Dagmar: it wasn't the missing mythweb config, it was missing mod_env

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Dagmar:

--disable-proxy kills off all the proxy modules, no problem, but --disable-dav it seems to ignore

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Dagmar:

magius_pendragon: Well, that should be controlled by your httpd.conf

[13:12:19]

magius_pendragon:

Dagmar: yeah i got it now

[13:12:29]

magius_pendragon:

that's how i figured out it was mod_env missing :D

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kormoc:

dagar, know offhand if they got sni rolled into 2.2.8?

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Dagmar:

kormoc: Not yet. Still digging

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Dagmar:

I've not seen any mention of it so far

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kormoc:

Sad, it's rather awesome

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Dagmar:

Might have something to do with OpenSSL 0.98 not having it

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Dagmar:

People tend to get nervous about 0.x versions of things included in production code

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kormoc:

I'm running 0.9.8 and it works fine

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kormoc:

https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=34607

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Dagmar:

They got it in 0.9.8?

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Dagmar:

I thought it was slated for 0.9.9

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kormoc:

those are the patches I'm using, there was talk on there about getting them in for 2.2.8, but nothing sense

[13:22:14]

kormoc:

yeah, it's in 0.9.8

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kormoc:

I'm on g, it's from f and above

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Dagmar:

Ahhh

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kormoc:

"Note that SNI support has been backported to OpenSSL 0.9.8 but not official

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kormoc:

release contains it yet, 0.9.8f will be the first. "

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kormoc:

that's from late '07 :P

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Dagmar:

Whoops. I got NO modules at all that time

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** Dagmar makes a little WebDAV effigy **

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Dagmar:

I miss the days when Apache's configure script was sane.

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code-er:

Any reasons why mythweb (svn bout a month ago) would now show the flash player for me?\

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Dagmar:

Pfft. Run 21, finally no bloody mod_dav

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Dagmar:

kormoc: by example what I was referring to earlier about the "extra" directory, the default httpd.conf for 2.2.8 has things in it like this "#Include @rel_sysconfdir@/extra/httpd-manual.conf"

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Dagmar:

...instead of it just having the manual in everything by default, it's now a neatly commented piece you can turn on/off at will

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DustyBin:

anybody know a tool what can download album art covers on linux?

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DustyBin:

actually i could manually do it myself dog

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DustyBin:

doh

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DustyBin:

its not as if i have lots of flacs at the moment

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** DustyBin logs into amazon **

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code-er:

Any reasons why mythweb (svn bout a month ago) would now show the flash player for me?\

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iamlindoro__:

code-er: Could be turned off in the settings in mythweb (as it is by default), flash blocking in your browser, incompatible ffmpeg, or you might just not know where to look for it

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JohnMahowald:

DustyBin: GCstar is a collection manager that has a nice lookup

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code-er:

iamlindoro__: i checked firefox for flash .. its there and workds

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code-er:

iamlindoro__: where in mythweb would it be turned off?

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iamlindoro__:

"in the settings in mythweb"

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Dagmar:

If you don't know, then it's not showing because you didn't turn it on

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code-er:

iamlindoro__: i been seraching... cant find it :-S

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code-er:

iamlindoro__: it used to be on..

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sentinel23:

in the release notes it says the ability to undelete has been added, any clue how to do that?

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Dagmar:

0.21 just flat out hands out asx files for streaming

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iamlindoro__:

code-er: probably until xris added the switch well afterwards to turn it off by default... it's pretty obvious right there on the mythweb settings pages

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iamlindoro__:

ie Mythweb->Settings Page->Streaming

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iamlindoro__:

er sorry

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iamlindoro__:

mythweb->video playback

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code-er:

Force HTTP for streams:

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code-er:

Force HTTP/HTTPS port for streams:

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iamlindoro__:

Mythweb->Setings page->"Mythweb"->video playback tab

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code-er:

aaa.. :)

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code-er:

i was looking under streaing..

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code-er:

ooooooo

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** code-er fees stupid/.. **

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iamlindoro__:

as you should ;)

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code-er:

buess i should read teh svn changes before applying them....

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iamlindoro__:

hehe

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code-er:

:-S

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code-er:

here i was sifting through the code trying to figure this out.. LoL

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sentinel23:

any thoughts on the undelete feature?

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Dagmar:

23 build runs. ALMOST done

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Dagmar:

God only knows if it's going to *work*

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sentinel23:

:)

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|Torg|:

and I thoguht my 4 was bad

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mkrufky:

who is Daniel Kristjansson ?

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Dagmar:

Well, I wouldn't be so cavalier about just running the build script after every 3–4 changes if I didn't have an X2 3800+ w 2Gb RAM to make it go by quick

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Dagmar:

Suffice it to say I am *not* trying to read the scroll on that

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sentinel23:

what does the thumbnail generation for mythweb? (and when does that happen?)

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directhex|work:

mythweb does, when you first visit the recordings page and it finds a thumbnailless recording

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sentinel23:

k. i have a bunch without and it's not happening :S

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sentinel23:

thx

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directhex|work:

are the recordings successful? they have a file size that seems correct?

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kwizart:

hello all!

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Dagmar:

Yeah my next task is figuring out how to *move* the data dir to somewhere not under /usr

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Dagmar:

I've got /usr mounting read-only on my box, just to reduce the chance of a filesystem mishap wrecking it

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kwizart:

which port am i supposed to open for upnp support from my local network (Mythtv 0.2) I guess it would be 1900 (udp/tcp ?)

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|Torg|:

find . -print | cpio -pdmuv /other/dir

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kwizart:

0.21

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Dagmar:

kwizart: You have your machines blocking all outgoing packets of local origin by default?

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kwizart:

no

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kwizart:

i expect not...

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Dagmar:

Then you shouldn't have to "open" anything

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sentinel23:

directhex|work: yeah, they all work fine from what I can tell

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sentinel23:

i've been changing a lot of things, i thought it might just be permissions or something

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Dagmar:

Conversely, unless you're firewalling out all incoming packets, even from the local network, by default, *that* you'll have to cut a little hole for

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Dagmar:

s/unless/if/; # doh

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kwizart:

well if i disable iptables from the backend server, the front end works, but if it is enabled, then it won't...

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DustyBin:

anybody got a patch for a sore backend?

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kwizart:

i have open the mysql port at least, then it can find the mysql db... but it cannot access to the backend...

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kwizart:

using unpn...

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** hashbang passes DustyBin the Preparation H **

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DustyBin:

lol

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Dagmar:

kwizart: `netstat -tunap` on the host in question

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jackson:

kwizart, how are you configuring iptables? are you logging dropped/rejected packets? If so, check your logs to see what's being denied.

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Dagmar:

kwizart: That will provide you a list of *what* is bound to *which interface/port*

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Dagmar:

kwizart: From there you should be able to tell pretty easily what you have to make holes for

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mkrufky:

rumor has it that there is a windows version of mythtvbackend ?????

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mkrufky:

is that true?

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Dagmar:

kwizart: It's perfectly acceptable to write that on a sticky-note and put it on your monitor for awhile

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Dagmar:

mkrufky: Sounds like "internet news" to me

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mkrufky:

hehe fake news

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky, Didn't last night's LOST tear your effin' heart out??

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mkrufky:

ok

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mkrufky:

yes, it did

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mkrufky:

and btw, it was rabbit number EIGHT that ben used to con sawyer

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mkrufky:

personally, i think that jin is alive and working for ben

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mkrufky:

doing the same job that sayid is doing

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iamlindoro_:

I just figured his was a flash backwards

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mkrufky:

we all know thats what jin used to do BEFORE the island

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mkrufky:

nah — he delivered the panda and sun got it

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iamlindoro_:

Ah well, anyway, I thought it was terribly sad but one of the best episodes in a long time

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mkrufky:

hmm, then i need to watch it again

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mkrufky:

i liked it a lot, but i didnt get to digest it enough yet

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mkrufky:

i _really_ think that ben staged jin's death

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kwizart:

? why i have this: udp 0 0 239.255.255.250:1900 0.0.0.0:* 2060/mythbackend ?

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro_ i think that you and I need to overthrow the op in #LOST

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mkrufky:

b/c i love talking about LOST, but this is the timesifter's irc channel ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

heheh, why's that? (have never been in there)

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mkrufky:

timeshifter, that is

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iamlindoro_:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

You'd never know from listening in here

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mkrufky:

hehehe

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|Torg|:

mkrufky: you did see where those anoying popups said it wasnt time travel, right?

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mkrufky:

i *know* it is not time travel

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mkrufky:

but i did NOT see that

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mkrufky:

when did they say that, and what did they say?

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mkrufky:

(my theory is multiple parallel universes with various time offsets)

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|Torg|:

mine has a green bar on the bottom, gives all kinds of tips. It said somethig to the effect of noice the lack of time travel sound

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GreyFoxx:

Man, it's sad how much I'm looking forward to gettin g the dvd changer and putting in support for it into myth

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mkrufky:

i watches the entire "enhanced" episode, and dont recall that "tip"

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mkrufky:

|Torg|: ah, you're talking about the desmond episode — yes, you're correct

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** iamlindoro_ wonders when they have "enhanced" episodes **

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directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, cool kids get 2tib disk arrays and rip their movies!

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iamlindoro_:

I'm cool kids!

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|bsp: Pfft, too much time to rip

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GreyFoxx:

I'd rather spend my efforts in the code :)

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directhex|work:

any thoughts on ps3/upnp/mythvideo funnies?

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GreyFoxx:

Tried to rent a ps3 last night but they were out

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro_ the "enhanced" episode from last week airs immediately before the new episode..... last night was the last "enhanced" episode

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|Torg|:

mkrufky: you get Lost in HD, correct?

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mkrufky:

correct

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky, ahhh, I've been disabling those wondering why my Mythbox keeps wanting to record the same show :)

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|Torg|:

ok I thoguht all HD content had those popups

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro_ !! mythtv doesnt WANT to record them, here — i have to force them to record

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro_ time warner cable is giving them the same program id codes :-(

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky, I have a feeling on my lineup that they get a different epid

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mkrufky:

oops

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mkrufky:

s/time warner cable / schedules direct

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iamlindoro_:

brb, logout/login

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mkrufky:

yeah — your lineup is doing the right thing

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mkrufky:

but MY lineup gives me the sane epids

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mkrufky:

and hes gone

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mkrufky:

|Torg|: sorry, didnt see what you said... "(11:13:36 AM) |Torg|: ok I thoguht all HD content had those popups" — no

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mkrufky:

|Torg|: only the enhanced episodes — the new broadcasts do not

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mkrufky:

|Torg|: those popups spoil the episode — that would be horrible if they didnt show it first without them

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|Torg|:

ahh well I rather think there annoying myslef

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mkrufky:

they are *very* annoying

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mkrufky:

however.... after you've already seen the show without them, it's nice to see the popups once — they tell you some interesting extra info

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mkrufky:

but i watch each new lost episode at least four times

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iamlindoro_:

holy cow

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|Torg|:

its too bad ther enot loke closed cpation where you can turn then off at will

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mkrufky:

(true, maybe its running on my third monitor while im writing driver code)

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mkrufky:

but it plays nonetheless

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mkrufky:

.....and i wish they would get rid of that black "stage" that looks like a vinyl turntable

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iamlindoro_:

Whichnow?

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hnitsuj:

ffs still nothing from either insurance company. it'll be 3 weeks on Wednesday since the break-in. arseholes

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Led-Hed:

I find that Insurance Companies are quick to collect and slow to pay

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** jams begins the 25TB shuffle **

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Led-Hed:

Ouch

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Led-Hed:

jams, thats not a 25 TB myth-backend is it? :)

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jams:

no it is not

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Led-Hed:

too bad

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jams:

i couldn't afford the electric bill

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Led-Hed:

that is a good point

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jams:

or the A/C bill

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iamlindoro_:

Not to mention that's enough video to watch until your eyes bleed and you are a dry, dessicated corpse

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Led-Hed:

lol

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** Led-Hed needs to upgrade his backend storage **

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iamlindoro_:

Enough video that the only color in your skin comes from the warm, loving rays of the television

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Led-Hed:

thinking about buying 5 TB drives (RAID 5 or 6)

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directhex|work:

can't afford upgrades anymore

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Led-Hed:

directhex|bsp, why is that? You recently get married?

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hashbang:

it's funny

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iamlindoro_:

He's a gambling addict, don't make him feel bad

[15:49:26]

iamlindoro_:

he likes the ponies

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Led-Hed:

ahh, well thats better than the hookers

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hashbang:

when I only had 80G for recordings, I managed fine, but rarely ran out. Now I've got 400G, I don't keep on top of it, and I'm constantly running out.

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iamlindoro_:

That's why God gave us autoexpire

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Led-Hed:

hashbang, thats why I need 4TB cuz I hate managing it.

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** Led-Hed hates AutoExpire **

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: well, that's what I mean – stuff I want keeps autoexpiring before I've watched it.

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iamlindoro_:

In *400G*? There hasn't been enough good television on since the beginning of TIME to fill 400G

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hashbang:

iamlindoro: mostly films, rather than TV per se.

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directhex|work:

trying to buy a house. it's bleeding us dry

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iamlindoro_:

Well, that's different. :) My MythVideo array is 3 TB so I feel you on that

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Led-Hed:

Autoexpire has completly flushed my recordings on several occasions, because it was set to on by default, and the wife falls asleep with LiveTV on, or forgets to turn it off before work.

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Led-Hed:

directhex|bsp, nows a good time to buy at least.

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iamlindoro_:

Led-Hed, Myth should *always* expire live tv before recordings IIRC

[15:52:51]

iamlindoro_:

But perhaps that's a newer development

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quicksilver:

that's certainly my experience

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quicksilver:

(that liveTV always goes first)

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quicksilver:

btu maybe Led-Hed has a very very small hard disk?

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iamlindoro_:

Worst comes to worst, edit your recording rules and adjust their priorities to higher values so that they are weighted heavier

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quicksilver:

and while the livetv is still running, it kills the rest of the recordings?

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jams:

it's been that way since day one.

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, it seems that Autoexpire is overzealous and deletes everything, because the Open LiveTV recording continues to grow in size thus AE deletes everything to make room for it!

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iamlindoro_:

quicksilver, But still, since each program is a different file, anything older than 30–60 minutes ago is expirable

[15:54:24]

quicksilver:

3 hour program? only 10G of space?

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Led-Hed:

quicksilver, I have 1TB (400GB in Movies / 600GB for TV/Recordings)

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quicksilver:

something like that perhaps

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quicksilver:

hrm.

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quicksilver:

not that then.

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iamlindoro_:

Led-Hed, I have a hunch *something* is off there-- as it moves on to a new programs it should be in a seperate file and the older ones become the lowest weighted, expirable ones

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iamlindoro_:

Unless you left it on one channel with a 24 hour length like one of the paid programming channels, etc. and even then, even at 1080i, it shouldn't get bigger than 240 GB

[15:56:22]

iamlindoro_:

Not that I've ever seen a 1080i infomercial :)

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, I can't say exactly why it does it, but a LiveTV that has recorded for an excessively long time will autoexpire every one of my recordings.

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iamlindoro_:

Led-Hed, I'd say you've got some fixing to do :)

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Led-Hed:

has happened more than once

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iamlindoro_:

'cause that is broked (tm)

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, gonna do a complete reinstall (New OS, and MythTV 0.21) this weekend

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iamlindoro_:

Cool, that ought to fix it

[15:58:12]

iamlindoro_:

hopefully

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, I know. I think it happense because my kids or wife will just hit the power button on the Frontend while watching TV and the tunner in the backend will continue the LiveTV recording, and I have no way of knowing its running so it runs for days

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iamlindoro_:

Right, but even in that case, it should still end up with multiple livetv files, all of which are supposed to expire before recordings

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Led-Hed:

and there is no way to stop the live recording without rebooting the Backend

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hnitsuj:

Led-Hed: slow to pay I can probably deal with. it's the lack of response that bugs me

[15:59:59]

Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, thats not the case. just the other day I had a +400GB LiveTV recording.

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Led-Hed:

single file

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iamlindoro_:

Led-Hed, Something is *definitely* wrong or misconfigured there, then

[16:00:21]

Led-Hed:

hnitsuj, thats one of their tactics

[16:00:32]

Led-Hed:

iamlindoro, probably

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directhex|work:

zomg, house purchase may actually be moving again after all

[16:03:39]

iamlindoro_:

directhex|work, Hope the market is better for you than it is for us... Prices took a nosedive after I bought last year, plus I live in one of the most expensive markets in the country-- my 1 bedroom condo was $406,000

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directhex|work:

iamlindoro_, the market is bullshit & chips, tbh

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iamlindoro_:

in favor of sellers or buyers?

[16:07:24]

Led-Hed:

directhex|bsp, its a buyers market!

[16:07:40]

Led-Hed:

good time to buy, there is no place to go but up.

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directhex|work:

iamlindoro_, average first-time property is £175k at the moment

[16:07:57]

iamlindoro_:

directhex|bsp, Hmm, well if that's a proper house, I'm envious

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directhex|work:

iamlindoro_, generally

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Led-Hed:

oh, you dont live in the US. My Bad, I have no clue about foreign Realty

[16:08:15]

iamlindoro_:

I could buy three houses somewhere rural for my condo :(

[16:08:45]

directhex|work:

iamlindoro_, locally, prices are on http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/in_dept . . . county69.stm

[16:09:22]

directhex|work:

iamlindoro_, average price of a flat (condo as you yanks call them) in oxford: £265k

[16:09:31]

iamlindoro_:

Yikes, that's a pretty substantial 1-year jump

[16:09:58]

** iamlindoro_ would like it if his condo value jumped 11%/yr **

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directhex|work:

iamlindoro_, imagine london. or don't even imagine! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/in_dept . . . unty37.stm?f

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|Torg|:

whats teh differnce betwwen a flat and an estate?

[16:10:46]

directhex|work:

|Torg|, a flat is a a single property in a multi-story of some kind. an estate is a collection of houses built at once by a developer

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|Torg|:

ok, but what I saw at teh offices that the called estates is what we call a house

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|Torg|:

whats semi and terraced?

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directhex|work:

"detached" is a multi-level house which is not connected to any other properties on any side. "flat" is a section of a multi-storey block, with communal area (e.g. hallways). "semi-detached" is a multi-level house which shared a wall with another house. "terraced" is a multi-level house which shares walls with other houses on both sides

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directhex|work:

"bungalow" is a single-level house ( and is usually but not always detached)

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|Torg|:

that and as most prices I saw in the Uk, were they in US dollars they woul dbe about right. I cant see how any of you can afford a place to live

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directhex|work:

"maisonette" is half a house, which has been split into an upstairs and downstairs flat (and has no communal internal areas, e.g. no shared hallways)

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directhex|work:

"coachhouse" is an upstairs maisonette, where all the downstairs area is car garages (which may or may not be part of the property)

[16:15:40]

directhex|work:

|Torg|, we can't afford places to live!

[16:16:15]

|Torg|:

that and your DIY stores make Home Depot prices look cheap

[16:16:59]

|Torg|:

altho I do miss my 220V in the kitchen :(

[16:17:03]

Thomas-:

just got a quote for buying my rental apartment, ~1900usd per m2

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Thomas-:

in sweden

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|Torg|:

every 2 months?

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Thomas-:

1900 per square meter

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directhex|work:

i pay as rent on the current place: £725 a month (i.e. ~$1450). the mortgage on the place we're supposedly buying is over £1050

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Thomas-:

and then a montly fee

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|Torg|:

its abotu 1/3 of that here

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Thomas-:

i pay ~$1400 per month today (as rent)

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Thomas-:

for 107 m2

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|Torg|:

we do it by sqare foot, so abotu 1/9th I figure

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Thomas-:

sounds right

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|Torg|:

my whole proptery, 15 acres, with house is only $150K, and half of that is land

[16:23:01]

Frosty-:

Using the nova-t 500 dual tuner, after a couple of days the seond tuner can no longer get a lock (partial lock) resulting in failed recordings. But if I delete and re-add the card, scan for channels again, its fine

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hashbang:

Frosty-: I don't think deleting/readding should make a difference

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hashbang:

Frosty-: but conceivably re-scanning might, if the channels have shuffled around on the mplexes

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hashbang:

Frosty-: what distro/kernel/v4l-dvb drivers/Nova-T-500 firmware are you using?

[16:31:22]

hashbang:

Frosty-: also, have you disabled usbcore autosuspend?

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TheAsp:

My video is playing back like it is squashed to 4:3 on my 1080p screen.... Anyway to fix this?

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jduggan:

hit w?

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TheAsp:

I don't want to zoom it

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TheAsp:

The height is fine, it's just squashed

[17:05:11]

TheAsp:

for everything, HD, digital cable, and analog

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directhex|work:

TheAsp, what res are you running X at?

[17:05:28]

TheAsp:

1920x1080

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directhex|work:

TheAsp, run "xrandr" and check the res with a star next to it

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directhex|work:

i know it *should* be that. check it *is* that

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TheAsp:

wtf

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TheAsp:

nothing has a star :P

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TheAsp:

oh, 1600x1200 @ 50hz

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TheAsp:

is this the cause of my problem?

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directhex|work:

oh look, i was right. how unexpected

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iamlindoro_:

directhex|work, curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

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directhex|work:

yes, it is. you're running a 4:3 res. guess why it looks like it's 4:3

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jduggan:

lol

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TheAsp:

actually, I am not

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TheAsp:

that was the wrong display

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directhex|work:

balls to it, i'm outta here

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TheAsp:

I do have 1920x1080 on there

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iamlindoro_:

Press M, select aspect ratio, find one that works

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TheAsp:

Do I have to play everything back in 16:9?

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iamlindoro_:

or, alternately, if you happen to be running the Mac OS X frontend, "ha ha, you no can watch TV in 16:9"

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TheAsp:

Oh poop, monitor aspect ratio was reset to 4:3 after the upgrade.

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edit_21:

lo all

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TheAsp:

iamlindoro: thanks

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iamlindoro_:

np

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edit_21:

would some one kindly take a look at this for me please: http://rafb.net/p/XJHUUd70.html

[17:10:49]

TheAsp:

hmm

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TheAsp:

my hd is still squashed

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edit_21:

each time i hit watch tv – it just refreash the sceen

[17:13:10]

iamlindoro_:

Sounds like you don't have a listings source

[17:13:26]

iamlindoro_:

and/or haven't run mythfilldatabase like mythtv-setup told you to

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edit_21:

iamlindoro_: i thought the same thing – i went back and checked and all seem fine

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TheAsp:

Are there bugs with xinerama now?

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iamlindoro_:

edit_21, "EntryToProgram(0@Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo"

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|Torg|:

no, but randr wont work with it

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edit_21:

iamlindoro_: odd huh

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edit_21:

esp with date

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iamlindoro_:

that's the error is spews when there are no listings

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edit_21:

iamlindoro_: ok i'll go and recheck

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edit_21:

as far as i remember im using the dvb transmitted guide

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TheAsp:

Ahh! Got it! Xinerama screen needed to be set to 1, but it wasn't in the menu. Had to set it by hand.

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iamlindoro_:

edit_21, Are you showing me a *frontend* log?

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edit_21:

yes sir

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iamlindoro_:

That's mostly useless re: TV

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iamlindoro_:

since all the work is being done on the backend

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edit_21:

ok

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edit_21:

i took listings grabber out and it still fails :/

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iamlindoro_:

That will make it fail for sure-- you *need* listings

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iamlindoro_:

or at least a "no listings" grabber

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iamlindoro_:

Put it back the way you had it, and post a backend log

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edit_21:

iamlindoro_: ok thanks will do

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venger:

is there anyway to suppress the ivtv status messages such as "ivtv0 dma: start DMA for encoder MPEG", etc this floods both dmesg and message log.

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venger:

during recording

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iamlindoro_:

sounds like you have verbosity on the module turned way up-- probably in the options line for the ivtv module

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GRIME:

Ok, I've Googled and Search the MythTv wiki and forums...last night I switched to a new MythTv box, and everything works except the MP3 audio. Anyone know what logs should I look at to diagnose this?

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venger:

you are right, this must be pretty old back when originally setting up. will debug=0 suffice or should it be removed altogether iamlindoro?

[17:26:30]

iamlindoro_:

you can remove it altogether I believe

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venger:

alright thanks for reminding me about the module settings ;)

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iamlindoro_:

GRIME, Sure you're not running one of those nice, "easy" distros like *buntu that sets you up with a system without MP3 support?

[17:27:08]

iamlindoro_:

venger, yep, you will need to unload and reload for it to take effect

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iamlindoro_:

GRIME, further, I suppose if you installed from packages that there's a chance your packager didn't compile mythmusic with mp3 support

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GRIME:

I am using the same "easy" distro I used in the old box, which played MP3 audio just fine.

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iamlindoro_:

GRIME, what distro?

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GRIME:

That why this is driving me insane.

[17:29:29]

GRIME:

MythDora 4.

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** iamlindoro_ hates it when people make him extract teeth for information **

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iamlindoro_:

Anyway, you haven't said what what program it is that's unable to play MP3s, what error message if any, etc..

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GRIME:

That's because it doesn't say anything.

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iamlindoro_:

even in the frontend log?

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iamlindoro_:

and what is "it?"

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GRIME:

It is the "Listen to Music" option.

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iamlindoro_:

ok, so MythMusic

[17:32:20]

iamlindoro_:

and you try to play and MP3 file in there, and what happens?

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GRIME:

I didn't know where to look for the log--that's why I'm here having you and others extract my teeth.

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iamlindoro_:

run mythfrontend from a terminal-- instant log!

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kslater:

ditto for the backend

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GRIME:

Nothing. It sits and will freeze for a bit, then I can escape out.

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iamlindoro_:

pastebin the frontend log

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iamlindoro_:

from when you try to listen to an MP3

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iamlindoro_:

are the files local, or network mounted?

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kormoc:

GRIME, btw, there's a $1.99 fee per extracted tooth per channel rules. Please type your credit card number now to continue

[17:34:05]

GRIME:

34895634897568934786934

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GRIME:

Expires today.

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iamlindoro_:

and if network mounted, is it mounted in the exact same place in the filesystem?

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GRIME:

hahaha

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GRIME:

Mounted via CIFS.

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iamlindoro_:

and have you scanned for music prior to attempting to play?

[17:34:52]

PatrickDK:

I always just log the output of mythfrontend to mysql syslog

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** iamlindoro_ suddenly remembers Mythdora hasn't been updated since mythtv was run on Apple IIs **

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GRIME:

It scanned for nearly an hour, yes.

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GRIME:

(I have a lot of MP3s.)

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iamlindoro_:

frontend loooooooooooog

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GRIME:

The box is at home.

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GRIME:

I'm gathering diagnostic information for later!

[17:36:06]

GRIME:

I work an hours drive away from where that machine is.

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iamlindoro_:

I still think it's just that libmp3lame probably wasn't installed, personally, but you're the guy saying your other box works perfectly with the exact same distro, sooooo

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GRIME:

In other words, the teeth extraction is will a long process.

[17:36:29]

iamlindoro_:

But my money is on you had to install it there too and have forgotten

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GRIME:

Possible, but I just installed them two weeks apart.

[17:37:04]

iamlindoro_:

Heh

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iamlindoro_:

"fter posting the output to the MythTV-Users mailing list someone pointed out it was a MythDora packaging problem – libmp3lame hadn’t been installed."

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fryfrog:

mythdora is dead, long live mythdora?

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.oliverbrown.me.uk/2007/03/02/i-finally-have-mythtv/

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GRIME:

The original test machine was a 533 celeron I had laying around to see if it worked like I wanted.

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kormoc:

fedora doesn't ship with any mp3 libs, would seem strange that mythdora would break that

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GRIME:

The new box is a nice dual core AM2 1.8Ghz on an ASUS Pundit chassis.

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GRIME:

I should really set up a VPN to home from here.

[17:40:12]

GRIME:

That way I could see if is missing libmp3lame.

[17:40:30]

GRIME:

I guess it's better if I don't...they may actually get some work out of me.

[17:41:14]

GRIME:

Ok, thanks, iamlindoro, you've given me some good starting points for this evening.

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iamlindoro_:

np

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edit_21:

http://rafb.net/p/8oixlS49.html iamlindoro_

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edit_21:

looks like perms

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iamlindoro_:

yup

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iamlindoro_:

your backend user can't write to /mnt/store

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edit_21:

it wasand i fixxored it \o/

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jams:

GreyFoxx- you about?

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GreyFoxx:

jams: Yup

[18:18:12]

GreyFoxx:

just eating lunch at my desk :)

[18:18:35]

jams:

first package sent via post office

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jams:

gotta find another box for the 2nd

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GreyFoxx:

oh they took it afterall ?

[18:18:53]

jams:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

yay! :)

[18:19:14]

jams:

they only looked at the diminisions for one of the boxes

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GreyFoxx:

I'm looking into the media monitor stuff now, and the whole idea of "offline" media

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jams:

4–6 days

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jams:

if customs doesn't send it back to me

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GreyFoxx:

cool :) Too bad next week is my vacation to hehe

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jams:

the clerk said it sounds and looks like a gift, so I should check that.

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|Torg|:

who maintains mythweather?

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jams:

but then he also said, if CA customs think it's not a gift they will sent it back to me

[18:22:25]

jams:

|Torg|- gbee was the last person to touch the code

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GreyFoxx:

jams: k

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jams:

i like the idea of offline media

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|Torg|:

ok well I had to hack the hell out of the scripts to get them to run

[18:24:16]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, basically a seperately maintained list of stuff not affected by a regular video manager scan

[18:25:27]

GreyFoxx:

I'm looking into the idea of making it an option that when you pop in adisk it asks if you want to add it to the archive and do an imdb call for it or if you just wanna play it

[18:25:35]

jams:

i'm hoping to find another box today, but the demo box may not ship till next week.

[18:25:40]

GreyFoxx:

k

[18:25:59]

jams:

its lenght+girth is 109 the limit is 108

[18:26:10]

GreyFoxx:

heh of course :)

[18:26:59]

GreyFoxx:

though it might be neat to do a similar popup if you plugin a usbdrive too

[18:27:07]

jams:

i like that idea, sounds like the need for another db table

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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jams:

btw they don't provide tracking

[18:28:10]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, did you get insurance on it ?

[18:28:15]

jams:

of course

[18:28:21]

GreyFoxx:

k, that's good enough

[18:29:41]

Thomas-:

hey guys.. remember that today is steak and bj day! http://www.steakandbjday.com/

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jams:

GreyFoxx- any thoughts on adding the screenshot jump point to the telnet control?

[18:32:46]

jams:

guess if i make the patch will it be considered?

[18:33:04]

Dagmar:

thomas: It's not *us* you should remind, it's our Girlfriends

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Thomas-:

Dagmar: It's alot easier to remind you guys :)

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GreyFoxx:

jams: Absolutely

[18:36:17]

jams:

good, that http call takes to long

[18:36:49]

jams:

it's a 2–5 second wait when i use it. the jumpoint is instant

[18:36:53]

Dagmar:

There's a screenshot jump point?

[18:37:17]

jams:

dagar- yes, it was just committed by GreyFoxx

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sentinel23:

anyone using a 4:3 theme they really like (and that's updated for .21)?

[18:41:51]

iamlindoro_:

Can't think if anyone even *making* a 4:3 theme any more that's not in the core themes

[18:41:59]

kormoc:

sentinel23, G.A.N.T!

[18:42:24]

sentinel23:

lol

[18:42:50]

kormoc:

G.A.N.T 4 Life yo!

[18:43:25]

Dagmar:

Flickery, jittering menu transitions, FTW!

[18:43:34]

sentinel23:

@iamlindoro_: just downloading "Pear-ody 4:3", i'll try that out tonight. but you're right, there aren't many

[18:43:48]

kormoc:

Meh, there's no transitions enabled on my box

[18:43:58]

Dagmar:

That's good I guess

[18:44:01]

sentinel23:

i wish i had something better to output to than a 17" CRT monitor :P

[18:44:12]

Dagmar:

Anyway the issue only occurs with s-video output the nVidia flicker filter magic

[18:44:19]

kormoc:

but when they were, I recall them being slowish but fine, not flickery or jittery at all

[18:44:31]

kormoc:

ahh

[18:44:38]

sentinel23:

anyone using MythXFace? it looks damn sexi

[18:44:53]

Dagmar:

Yeah, the logo pulse apparently confuses the hell out of the automagic reinterlacer

[18:45:51]

GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: Yeah I added a web/xml gettable call to grab from the frontend remotely and a jumpppoint you can mapp to a key

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sentinel23:

dunno, GANT is ok, but not quite as... slick... as I'd like

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GreyFoxx:

if you use the OpenGL video renderer it will even get inprogress playback :)

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Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: Hells yes. That is going to be SO much easier than the hell that was making a screenshot before

[18:48:45]

Dagmar:

I always almost felt guilty about them

[18:49:09]

Dagmar:

Screenshots do not fully disclose to the viewer that what you were looking at at the time was frame-frame-frame-frame-frame video

[18:49:09]

kormoc:

mythweb's telnet interface will be snazzier now

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Wonka:

since i installed 0.21, I only have program listings for the channels in one dvb-t bouquet.

[18:50:38]

Wonka:

i even dropped the whole mythconverg database and redid everything from scratch

[18:50:48]

xris:

kormoc: yeah. the problem is that GreyFoxx's screenshot patch makes my frontend hang...

[18:50:58]

kormoc:

sad

[18:51:07]

xris:

there's something weird about the qt in fedora... or un-weird about the qt in slackware. heh

[18:51:14]

Wonka:

the other five bouquets can be received, at least the channel scanner does find the programs there

[18:51:15]

xris:

hoping that the qt4 migration will solve the problems

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jams:

hmm .21 is creating oprhan thumbnails for me

[18:52:59]

Wonka:

i am using the debian packages from debian-multimedia.org with one hauppauge wintv nova-t stick lite

[18:53:27]

Wonka:

and with 0.20 eit scan worked fine

[18:53:59]

Wonka:

any ideas? any further information needed?

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm I should install a Fedora Frontend in a VM and try it out

[19:01:46]

GreyFoxx:

xris: What version of Fedora are you running ?

[19:01:59]

xris:

mythbox is 6

[19:02:16]

xris:

I should see if my mac frontend also crashes like that...

[19:02:20]

xris:

er, mythbox is 7

[19:02:29]

xris:

kernel is from 6 because of firewire issues

[19:02:30]

** jams sets roomba for a packing peanut cleanup mission **

[19:02:37]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

[19:04:15]

GreyFoxx:

well I started the upnp server configuration setup page.

[19:04:38]

iamlindoro_:

Awww, I kinda liked "the only switch is the OFF switch!"

[19:04:44]

GreyFoxx:

so we can gather all the upnp config options for the backend someone that wont require the user to edit the db directly :)

[19:04:50]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

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xris:

jams: that's one heck of a roomba if it can pick up packing peanuts

[19:12:30]

jams:

xris- its doing a decent job

[19:12:37]

xris:

cool

[19:12:41]

xris:

my mom loves both of her roombas.

[19:12:51]

jams:

they are the best

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Dagmar:

I wouldn't let them feast on packing penuts

[19:13:00]

Dagmar:

They have a VERY small dust bin on them

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xris:

I'm not ready to get one until we get rid of our carpet (too much cat hair even for our big vacuum — I have to empty it 3–4 times to do my house)

[19:13:36]

xris:

Dagmar: yeah, that was my thought, too

[19:13:38]

Dagmar:

Um... That to me sounds like a reason to buy one.

[19:13:49]

xris:

Dagmar: I'd have to empty it every 5–10 minutes, though

[19:14:15]

Dagmar:

Being that *you* don't really have to be involved in it other than to go over and poke it with a toe and let it bumble around the room until it gets bored, it shoudln't be a problem to do it every day or every other day

[19:14:26]

Dagmar:

Nah, cat's don't shed _that_ much unless you've got 30 of them

[19:14:28]

xris:

roomba doesn't have enough sucking power to get through deep carpet, either.

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xris:

Dagmar: you don't know my wife's cats (only 2, but trust me.. LOTS of hair)

[19:14:53]

Dagmar:

I know someone with a longhair Maine Coon cat hybrid

[19:14:57]

Dagmar:

It's basically a sheep.

[19:14:58]

xris:

easier to just replace the carpets. I work for a flooring company.

[19:15:13]

GreyFoxx:

I had one of those.

[19:15:16]

Dagmar:

If it sneezes, I kid you not, little tufts of hair float down and make a circle around the cat.

[19:15:20]

GreyFoxx:

Huge and furry :)

[19:15:33]

Dagmar:

A roomba can keep up with it

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GreyFoxx:

ours rarely shed though except in early summer

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Dagmar:

This one sheds white hair you could make a sweater of

[19:16:06]

iamlindoro_:

Easier to get rid of the cat and get a proper pet like a dog

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** iamlindoro_ gets popcorn for ensuing commentary **

[19:16:28]

jams:

iamlindoro- and by dog you meant ferret

[19:16:28]

Dagmar:

...and then probably be asked to explain to a judge in your hearing for the murder of anyone with a cat allergy who would wear it.

[19:16:37]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[19:16:48]

xris:

iamlindoro: s/dog/parrot/ and you have a deal

[19:17:06]

Dagmar:

By ferret you mean "carpet shark and all around kleptomaniac"

[19:17:22]

xris:

self-cleaning pet. cool. :)

[19:17:38]

Dagmar:

Ferrets should come with a warning like pet stores try to tell people about budgies, saying you buy them in pairs.

[19:17:51]

Dagmar:

A lone ferret quickly becomes a little psychopath

[19:17:58]

iamlindoro_:

I like my dog because she fuck you up if you come in my house when I'm not there. Plus, hella faithful.

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Dagmar:

Two ferrets == two well-adjusted little lunatics.

[19:18:43]

Wonka:

i like shorthair cats...

[19:18:50]

Wonka:

mostly self-cleaning

[19:19:14]

Dagmar:

Wonka: except for the one bath every cat has to have when they're little, when they go through the Pigpen stage of kittenhood

[19:19:26]

Wonka:

*g*

[19:20:09]

iamlindoro_:

I've never understood the predominance of cats amongst computer-types

[19:20:26]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, you don't want to go there...

[19:20:52]

Wonka:

at the moment, i'd like an epg with a little more data in it...

[19:21:13]

iamlindoro_:

kormoc, why not? More of an abstract thought than a value judgment

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Thomas-:

I have to indoor cats, I would like a dog, but I'm to lazy

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Thomas-:

two*

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, dogs need to be run, for sure. I'm a runner, though, so it's a good excuse to do so when I'm feeling lazy.

[19:21:55]

kormoc:

iamlindoro_, nah, it's more it opens up the joke floodgates, "It's the only way they get a lil pussy!" and such

[19:21:58]

Dagmar:

For those who might not be aware... http://mcgonnigle.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/ma . . . r-than-dogs/

[19:22:01]

iamlindoro_:

kormoc, hehehe

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Wonka:

i am right here in #mythtv-users, nor?

[19:22:05]

Wonka:

;)

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Dagmar:

Not photoshopped. Maine Coons are *big* cats

[19:22:25]

iamlindoro_:

holy sweet zombie jesus

[19:22:29]

Dagmar:

You *almost* want to just attach the roomba right to the cat, but it can keep up

[19:22:36]

iamlindoro_:

That's almost as big as my dog

[19:22:58]

Dagmar:

Yeah, usually they're very nice.

[19:23:04]

iamlindoro_:

erm, maybe my scale is thrown off by the small lady

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Dagmar:

Some of them will decide they don't like someone, and that person better pay respect.

[19:23:26]

iamlindoro_:

My dog is far more than "well over 20 pounds"

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Dagmar:

She ain't that small. 20 pounds of cat is a _lot_ of cat

[19:23:51]

kormoc:

Remember, there's 2" of fir over that thing

[19:23:51]

iamlindoro_:

yeah... initially looked sizewise close to my dog, but she's 60+

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iamlindoro_:

yup

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iamlindoro_:

and my dog is shorthaired, so probably explains things a bit

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Dagmar:

I watched a "doesn't like everyone" version of the Maine Coon pretty much beat up a friend of mine

[19:24:51]

Dagmar:

Cat didn't like him. He insisted on repeatedly petting it and did not pay it the proper respect

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Thomas-:

haha

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iamlindoro_:

It's petting a cat respectful? Or by respect do you mean "show adequate fear of?"

[19:25:21]

iamlindoro_:

er isn't

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Dagmar:

The cat jumped straight at his neck, held on with it's back legs and proceeded to smack him like five times with no claws and then jump off

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Thomas-:

*lol*

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Dagmar:

You could *hear* the cat hitting him

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Wonka:

O.o

[19:26:53]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: you've never seen a cat give someone "the look" of "don't pet me right now, I'm busy thinking"

[19:26:57]

Dagmar:

?

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iamlindoro_:

Dagmar, I haven't spent that much time looking at cats-- although we did have them as kids, I was always a dog person

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Thomas-:

or the tail starting to wag as in *touch me again and I will kill you*

[19:28:04]

Dagmar:

Yeah, that's the version of that look you don't want to see out of a Maine Coon

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Thomas-:

hehe

[19:28:13]

Dagmar:

They are probably the _least_ domesticated form

[19:28:33]

Thomas-:

i beg to differ... there are like... leopard like cats.. also huge

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iamlindoro_:

And heck, if the requirement is that the animal be tough, there is no greater joy than watching a police K9 chomp on someone who ran for a few moments.

[19:28:36]

Thomas-:

I think they are worse

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Dagmar:

Bites are a bit different than an animal with half inch long talons

[19:29:31]

iamlindoro_:

Dagmar, No cat could cause the damage a police dog can

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kormoc:

Bengals

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iamlindoro_:

ok ok, tiger-sized excluded :)

[19:29:47]

Thomas-:

http://www.bengal.se/ <-- bengal cats.. there is bigger and meaner version also, just can remember the breedname

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Dagmar:

kormoc: I think they pretty much proved that one in SF recently, too

[19:30:24]

bagpuss_thecat:

"There should be more security surrounding these animals"

[19:30:35]

Dagmar:

Drunk man taunts tiger repeatedly, tiger bites man repeatedly, and a few bites on his friends for good measure

[19:30:38]

bagpuss_thecat:

aye, like a big cage with a fierce wild killing machine animal in it...

[19:30:43]

iamlindoro_:

I watched a police dog pretty much gnaw a dudes arm off a few times-- truly fun.

[19:30:53]

kormoc:

toygers are too small to be dangerous

[19:31:05]

kormoc:

but Bengals are smart and can be really nasty at times

[19:31:13]

Dagmar:

...and there's a reason they can tree bears

[19:31:24]

kormoc:

they typically blind people with claws to the eyes from the tops of shelves and the like

[19:31:38]

Dagmar:

That depends on how mad the animal is

[19:31:38]

Thomas-:

Have you guys seen the youtube video of the cat chasing away a bear?

[19:31:50]

Nikas:

Can i delete "OLDHOSTNAME" in the settings-table?

[19:31:58]

Dagmar:

Cats are very strategic, unless they're very very angry

[19:32:03]

Thomas-:

true

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kormoc:

Nikas, sure

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Thomas-:

Nikas: either that or change the hostname to the new one

[19:32:29]

Nikas:

i have never userd that hostname ;)

[19:32:31]

Nikas:

used

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** Deek looks over at his 80-pound dog :) **

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Nikas:

the name are "OLDHOSTNAME" ;)

[19:33:04]

** kormoc looks at his 10oz parrot **

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** bagpuss_thecat is in a pickle... mythfrontend version on ubuntu is too modern for the schema provided by marillat on the debian backends :-/ **

[19:33:16]

iamlindoro_:

Deek, Now we're talkin'

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Dagmar:

There were dogs in my neighborhood growing up that liked to hassle cats.

[19:33:31]

Dagmar:

They typically didnt' do it for very long.

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Deek:

Half GSD, half Rottweiler.

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iamlindoro_:

Nice

[19:34:04]

iamlindoro_:

My baby is all mutt (had blood tests done to determine breed) but sorta looks like a red GSD w/ black muzzle, slightly smaller

[19:34:05]

kormoc:

well, make that 3 oz actually, I was off on the grams to oz conversion...

[19:34:06]

Dagmar:

One dude had his shepard bleed out

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Thomas-:

bagpuss_thecat: use the svn :)

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Deek:

Brady's smart, pretty AND tough as nails. :)

[19:34:59]

Nikas:

how do i change my hostname btw?

[19:35:02]

Dagmar:

I've watched a cat that lives over here just about kill a fox outright.

[19:35:10]

Thomas-:

damn

[19:35:13]

Dagmar:

I so thought that was going to go the other way around

[19:35:15]

Thomas-:

not a firefox I hope? =)

[19:35:19]

Deek:

Foxes are the drag queens of the canine world.

[19:35:30]

Dagmar:

Thomas: It was red

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Thomas-:

Dagmar: close enough :p

[19:35:44]

Dagmar:

I live right on the river, but I didn't expect to really see them

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Deek:

(small) cats and foxes aren't prey to each other in the wild — they're competitors for the same prey, mainly small rodents and birds.

[19:36:52]

** Thomas- can report that I got one crash on 0.21-fixes on the backend this far, seems to be alot more stable than trunk **

[19:37:06]

Dagmar:

Well, the calico from hell looked like it decided "you don't belong on my land"

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Dagmar:

Thank god that cat likes me

[19:37:34]

Deek:

'cept cats are territorial, and foxes aren't. :)

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kormoc:

Thomas-, given 0.21 is -trunk... that's a strange statement...

[19:37:59]

kormoc:

apart from limited changes at this point that is

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Thomas-:

really? I found that the /trunk and the /021-fixes was different code

[19:38:43]

kormoc:

Thomas-, 0.21-fixes was a copy from -trunk a while ago, and then kept in sync upto a few days ago

[19:39:13]

Thomas-:

ok, check... well, must have been cosmic radiation or memory errors in the backend then

[19:39:43]

Thomas-:

but I also did delete and readd all the dvb cards when I installed 0.21

[19:39:50]

kormoc:

Heh, that could do it

[19:40:01]

Thomas-:

yep

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Thomas-:

how many recordings per card are people running, 2? 3? (multirec)

[19:41:15]

iamlindoro_:

I know Greyfoxx has had up to 8 going although the code limits it to 5 IIRC, but is a simple change

[19:41:28]

Thomas-:

ok, so 3 shouldn't be a problem

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iamlindoro_:

No, presuming your card doesn't have a limited number of PID filters

[19:42:08]

iamlindoro_:

I would think 3 should work well for most if not all cards

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Thomas-:

in mythconverg.cardinput, I could renumber cardinputid without any other changes, right (while keeping the correct cardid)?

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iamlindoro_:

To what end?

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Thomas-:

mythweb shows the cardinputid in the statuspage

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Thomas-:

'encoder 4 is not recording' etc

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bagpuss_thecat:

Thomas-: if only :-)

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Thomas-:

it's not pretty when it starts at 6 :)

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iamlindoro_:

Rather than renumber in the DB (which I have had backfire on me) I would just remove the cards and re-add them. Faster, and works properly

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Thomas-:

I could patch mythweb to just use a counter but....

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iamlindoro_:

But to reset the counter you need to delete all cards

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Thomas-:

na.. if the lowest number is 6, then 'update cardinput set cardinputid = cardinputid – 5;'

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Thomas-:

done

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iamlindoro_:

Thomas-, you try that and tell me how it goes

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iamlindoro_:

I'm not just making the stuff up here

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** iamlindoro_ loves it when people would rather hack the DB than do things the faster, correct way **

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Thomas-:

but wait a minute

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Thomas-:

removing the cards and readding them will just mean that it will be a even higher number in the DB

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iamlindoro_:

No. You delete all capture cards and it resets the numbering.

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Thomas-:

well, I did that after the installation of .21

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iamlindoro_:

*eyeroll*

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Thomas-:

and now they start at 6

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iamlindoro_:

Then you deleted all cards on "hostname" instead of "delete all capture cards"

[19:47:43]

Thomas-:

thats true

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iamlindoro_:

And different.

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Thomas-:

I will try to A) renumber and see if it works, and if not I will do that

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kormoc:

or just run TRUNCATE cardinput and then re-add them

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camelreef:

good evening from Scotland

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Thomas-:

the same to you my good sir

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iamlindoro_:

Hola, coming there in May

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** Thomas- is off to the shower **

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camelreef:

I'm looking for help settting an XMLTV video source, using tv_grab_fr, for a DVB-S channels line-up

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camelreef:

I am currently using EIT only and want a bit more

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bagpuss_thecat:

evening Caliban

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hnitsuj:

10 simultaneous recordings per tuner with multirec is possible :D

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bagpuss_thecat:

oops, camelreef

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bagpuss_thecat:

camelreef: whit part of Scotland

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bagpuss_thecat:

?

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camelreef:

so, currently I have a properly setup capture card for the DVB-S source, a video source for the sat using only EIT, and I matc those together an scan for the channels

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** hnitsuj is a proud Sassenach ;) **

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camelreef:

works great, except that the EPG is weal

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camelreef:

weak

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camelreef:

bagpuss_thecat, Aberdeen

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bagpuss_thecat:

camelreef: cool

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** bagpuss_thecat is down in Glasgow **

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camelreef:

what I did was create a new video source, selected xmltv, tv_grab_fr

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bagpuss_thecat:

we had summer today, it was great

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iamlindoro_:

I'm going to Edinburgh in May

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bagpuss_thecat:

but then winter arrived around lunchtime

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camelreef:

heh,we had a nice day all day

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camelreef:

then i go through the graber's selections of channels fine

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camelreef:

then I match the capture card to the new video source instead of the pure EIT source, and scan for channels

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camelreef:

I then exit mythtv-setup and run mythfilldatabase --manual as asked as I need to match xmltv stuff to my channels manually

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camelreef:

and there I get a bit lost

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camelreef:

and need help

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camelreef:

any takers ?

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bagpuss_thecat:

wish I could, sorry

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hnitsuj:

"If Linux/MythTV users in the UK bandied together and bought a big ad in

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hnitsuj:

the Sunday Times".. ROFL

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hnitsuj:

so, that's a half page ad, split between 5 or 6 willing people

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bagpuss_thecat:

lol

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Wonka:

hnitsuj: hrm, while re-adding my dvb-t tuner, i couldn't raise the number of virtual tuners for it over 5

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Wonka:

and even then, eit scan only scans on one frequency

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hnitsuj:

course you can't!

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hnitsuj:

I could though :P

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Wonka:

would usually sufice...

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Wonka:

but having only program data for four channels out of 24 is not enough – why doesn't it scan the others?

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Wonka:

last log message i can find about that is:

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Wonka:

2008-03–13 21:52:57.065 DVBChan(1:0) Error: Tune(): Setting Frontend tuning parameters failed.

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Wonka:

eno: No such device (19)

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Wonka:

2008-03–13 21:52:57.174 DVBChan(1:0) Error: SetChannelByString(4): Tuning to frequency.

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Wonka:

but tuning with tzap works (after shutting down the backend)

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Wonka:

and in the DB are only channels mythtv found itself by scanning.

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Wonka:

hello?

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iamlindoro_:

hnitsuj, Where's that quote from? Sounds like there'd be a deluge of support requests

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, -dev mailing list

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iamlindoro_:

ah, haven't gotten the digest yet

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** bagpuss_thecat deletes 335 items in a playlist **

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** bagpuss_thecat watches the logs **

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hnitsuj:

muh muh muh MUH, we WILL have iplayer streams in mythtv, or I will thcream and thcream and thcream!

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iamlindoro_:

Oh, *that* old thing

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bagpuss_thecat:

much frantic DB action

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bagpuss_thecat:

2008-03–14 20:25:25.101 ERROR when trying to delete file: myth://172.24.32.10:6543/1001_20070830231500.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed.

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bagpuss_thecat:

what metadata would that be?

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Anduin:

bagpuss_thecat: The record in recorded, mostly, seek info also.

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hnitsuj:

bagpuss_thecat: peasy easy

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iamlindoro_:

The metadata referring to the file that's no longer there

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hnitsuj:

no longer / never was :)

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iamlindoro_:

touch 1001_200770830231500.mpg in your recordings dir

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iamlindoro_:

then wait 15 minutes

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kormoc:

15 minutes?

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** bagpuss_thecat has 300+ missing files **

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iamlindoro_:

and it'll delete the empty file and you won't see the error any more

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bagpuss_thecat:

xfs_repair had a field day with storage

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Dorward:

I've run into Duplicate column name 'oldrecduplicate' while upgrading to 0.21. Is this a known problem?

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kormoc:

don't think so

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iamlindoro_:

It's a known problem with erroneous DBs :)

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Dorward:

iamlindoro_: Is there a fix out there?

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iamlindoro_:

Dorward, need to remove the duplicate entires in MySQL

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Dorward:

iamlindoro_: Why would it complain about the existance of the column though?

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hnitsuj:

it'd complain if something had erroneously created the extra column(s)

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iamlindoro_:

^^^^

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iamlindoro_:

DB schema upgrade will fail if it finds extra entries where it expects to find one. So pull up the contents of that column, look at the data, remove anything that's a duplicate or looks wrong, and the schema update should work fine

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bagpuss_thecat:

selecting everything into a playlist and tthen deleting everything doesn't work :-(

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Dorward:

Hmm, every value for the column is NULL

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Anduin:

GreyFoxx: I wasn't going to add another table for that (offline), just more fields (the series/episode changes seem to need a type field I was going to repurpose), of course writing actual code always wins.

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Dorward:

Hmm, I dropped the column drop the table and it seems to have worked.

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** bagpuss_thecat can't delete anything now :-( **

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iamlindoro_:

"Thanks guys, appreciate the help!"

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iamlindoro_:

rassafrassa...

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Frosty-:

Using the nova-t 500 dual tuner, after a couple of days the seond tuner can no longer get a lock (partial lock) resulting in failed recordings. But if I delete and re-add the card, scan for channels again, its fine

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Frosty-:

it was suggested to disable autosuspend, but I don't know how to

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bagpuss_thecat:

Frosty-: disabling autosuspend sounds like a usb tweak, and the nova-t isn't usb is it?

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james_:

hi

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Nikas:

Frosty-: I have two nova-t 500. Do you use the latest firmware?

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james_:

how can I tell which nvidia card will be able to output to my HDTV ?

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Frosty-:

I'm using dvb-usb-dib0700–1.10.fw

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directhex:

james_, does your hdtv have a VGA, DVI or HDMI input?

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iamlindoro_:

by buying the one that says "nVidia" on it?

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Nikas:

well.. ok.. updated v4l-dvb-drivers?

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kormoc:

james_, by knowing what inputs your tv has

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directhex:

if so, try "any"

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james_:

dvi on my tv

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Frosty-:

I didn't install v4l as it worked with debian lenny, 2.6.22

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Nikas:

bagpuss_thecat: it's a pci-card with via usb that.. converts the card to.. usb.. eh.. ;)

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Thomas-:

james_: you want one with either dvi or hdmi out

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kormoc:

james_, so a card that has dvi on it can work

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james_:

can or will work?

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bagpuss_thecat:

Nikas: aaah :-)

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kormoc:

james_, depends on your tv

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Nikas:

Frosty-, i know ppl have problems like you but i have never had any problems with my cards

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Frosty-:

Nikas, is that the latest firmware? It requested it on bootup, so I had to hunt for it

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james_:

I want to playback videos at 1080i

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iamlindoro_:

It only *will* work if *you're* smart enough, It's smart enough to begin with.

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Nikas:

Frosty-, yes.. it is

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directhex:

james_, that's a CPU power question, and a tv question

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bsdfox:

anyone know why myth.find_orphans.pl incorrectly reports that all my thumbnails are unassociated? I am on build 16498

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Frosty-:

Nikas, ok thanks, I guess I can try building v4l, see if it helps

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directhex:

james_, about the only unimportant detail for you is the graphics card, since pretty much any nvidia is capable of displaying a 1920x1080 signal if given the opportunity

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Nikas:

Frosty-, yes, try that..

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Nikas:

Frosty-, do you use EIT btw=

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Nikas:

?

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james_:

directhex, well for cpu power i think I'm covered amd athlon 64 x2 dual-core

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Frosty-:

Yeah

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Nikas:

well.. try not to

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directhex:

james_, for which codec?

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Frosty-:

Is radio times feed reliable?

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iamlindoro_:

directhex, MKV! (yes, I know.)

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Nikas:

Frosty-, i had problems with EIT enabled

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directhex:

iamlindoro, 720x544 mkv ;)

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Frosty-:

and do I have to manually match channel to frequency? :o

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iamlindoro_:

hahaa

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james_:

directhex, usually raw 40mbps

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james_:

directhex, hd-dvd's

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iamlindoro_:

My filez are the MKV codecformat!

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directhex:

james_, dvds aren't raw, they're h264, mpeg2, or wmv

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directhex:

hd-dvds, that is

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iamlindoro_:

I can playz TS?

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directhex:

in which case, a dual-core amd64 will be okay for mpeg2 and possibly wmv, but had better be damned high-end to play h264

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james_:

directhex, yeah i know they are still encoded but i wasn't talking about some 10mbps files like wmv or mkv rips

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directhex:

makes a change

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** kormoc sighs **

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kormoc:

james_, if you know they're not raw, don't call them raw....

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, shall i definitively answer the amd64 question, and try on this 3800+?

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directhex:

down down down comes the mplayer source

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iamlindoro_:

directhex, Hey, no harm in it-- you have access to something 40ish Mbit? If not I can dd you a few minutes of something

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Frosty-:

is it pr0n? IS IT?!

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, i do not. ripping via the ps3 is too much arseache. i was just gonna test bbc-hd for now

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** Frosty- pants **

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directhex:

Frosty-, blu-ray porn?

[20:51:31]

Frosty-:

hmmmz

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Frosty-:

how can I get bbc-hd :(

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iamlindoro_:

directhex, Oh, I'll bet ya anything it'll do BBC as long as you use multithreaded and skiploopfilter

[20:52:08]

iamlindoro_:

By moving to BBCLand! And getting a DVB-S.

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directhex:

iamlindoro, worth a punt – remember, the core2 was fine only down to ~1.66ghz

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directhex:

iamlindoro, whereas this chip is only 1.8ghz

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iamlindoro_:

1.8 in AMDs

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iamlindoro_:

eww

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Frosty-:

iamlindoro, do you have a DVB-S? I have a left-over dish and cable, can it pickup anything without a subscription?

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directhex:

Frosty-, yes

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directhex:

Frosty-, it can

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directhex:

Frosty-, let me get you the list

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Frosty-:

cool thanks

[20:53:14]

iamlindoro_:

Frosty-, I live in the US, no BBC HD for moi

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directhex:

http://lyngsat.com/freetv/United-Kingdom.html

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neb_:

ooo, i could pick up bbc hd?

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Frosty-:

but you get lots other HD

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iamlindoro_:

and anyone in the US who wants to tell you about their legit usage of DVB-S w/ Myth is a lying lying lie-y liarpants with an extra helping of LIES

[20:54:05]

iamlindoro_:

"Oh, there's tons of FTA stuff!"

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Frosty-:

jesus christ thats more channels than I get dvb-t :s

[20:54:13]

Frosty-:

its all free

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directhex:

iamlindoro, there's CCFL_Man2 with his c-band shite

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Frosty-:

ugh

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directhex:

Frosty-, note no channel 4 or 5

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orko:

hi.

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iamlindoro_:

directhex, Heheh, because I want to spend $20K on equipment and then a few hundred a month for four crap channels

[20:54:53]

Frosty-:

is it the same resolution as dvb-t?

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directhex:

iamlindoro, i remember why i haven't tested this before – my screen is <1080

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Frosty-:

I find freeview dvb-t looks much better than analogue

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directhex:

Frosty-, depends on the channel

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orko:

after updating to 0.21 the table "record" seems not to be read, because my record list is empty

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iamlindoro_:

DVB anything will *almost* invariably always be better than any analogue

[20:55:56]

directhex:

Frosty-, on the list i gave, only channels on eurobird1 or astra2 can be received with a sky dish

[20:56:04]

AndyCap:

Hehe, quarter resolution dvb.

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directhex:

go go gadget make

[20:56:54]

iamlindoro_:

I recently walked the dog and saw a number of dishes facing southwest of me in CA. Can't imagine for the life of me what they're picking up as all the Dish and DTV satellites are supposed to be over Texas

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wibbit:

Hi all

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, SETI

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iamlindoro_:

directhex, Heheh, they're not Dish network, they're *radio telecopes!*

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Frosty-:

directhex, what are the restrictions, is it that my dish isn't capable .. also, would I need to re-align it?

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directhex:

Frosty-, sky tv is transmitted via two birds – astra2, and eurobird1, which are close enough together that one dish gets both (at ~28.2E).

[20:58:58]

directhex:

Frosty-, sky is made of a mix of encrypted and free-to-air channels. with a sky dish and dvb-s card, you get the FTA from those two birds

[20:59:13]

AndyCap:

technically astra 2 is 4 birds or so.

[20:59:27]

wibbit:

I was hoping to ask some advice regarding graphics cards, most specifically ATI.

[20:59:28]

directhex:

AndyCap, yes, but let's keep it simple for now

[20:59:33]

directhex:

wibbit, AVOID

[20:59:35]

iamlindoro_:

wibbit, OK. DON'T!

[20:59:42]

AndyCap:

directhex: i.e 1 bird at 28.2 :)

[20:59:51]

iamlindoro_:

I mean, ask, but for God's sake don't BUY.

[20:59:55]

wibbit:

If I read around the wiki, I get the distinct impression that NVidia has a slight lead as far as preference goes

[21:00:08]

iamlindoro_:

You sir, have a talent for understatement

[21:00:14]

directhex:

wibbit, slight? DON'T BUY ATI

[21:00:27]

kormoc:

wibbit, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI_Prop . . . Introduction

[21:00:41]

orko:

it seems that mythtv stores the recordings in record but does not read it from there anymore

[21:00:41]

wibbit:

kormoc: You see, that was going to be my next question.

[21:00:47]

AndyCap:

Frosty-: imagine that with an analog receiver you can get Movies4Men 2. :-)

[21:01:08]

wibbit:

I was wondering if, by any chance, if any one knows, if the gradual release of their specs, is leading to an improved open driver?

[21:01:17]

wibbit:

As far as MythTV is concerned

[21:01:20]

directhex:

wibbit, maybe within a few years

[21:01:21]

kormoc:

wibbit, someday, perhaps, currently nope

[21:01:45]

kormoc:

that said, you can get myth to run on the cards

[21:01:50]

kormoc:

but it's decently hard

[21:02:07]

directhex:

iamlindoro, my mistake, it's 2ghz, and it's playable! without the loopfilter!

[21:02:14]

directhex:

down to 1.8, re-try

[21:02:16]

wibbit:

ouch, is it really the open drivers really that far behind?

[21:02:28]

neb_:

hd struggles on this box

[21:02:29]

neb_:

:/

[21:02:39]

kormoc:

wibbit, yes

[21:02:55]

directhex:

2x80% at 1.8ghz

[21:03:03]

kormoc:

wibbit, same with the nv open driver, it's very behind the closed driver and will remain that way very likely

[21:03:07]

iamlindoro_:

directhex, I thought it probably would

[21:03:18]

orko:

i restored the mythconverg from a 3 days old backup file. now all my recordings from the 3 days are not displayed.

[21:03:19]

neb_:

only got a 10 sec hd clip to try with, heh

[21:03:20]

iamlindoro_:

directhex, although the lack of need of skiploopfilter is nice

[21:03:27]

orko:

is there a chance to get them back to the list

[21:03:28]

AndyCap:

orko: sounds about right

[21:03:53]

jduggan:

what does skiploopfilter actually do

[21:03:55]

wibbit:

What about intel cards?

[21:04:07]

wibbit:

(I'm a bit of an open source maniac)

[21:04:07]

orko:

AndyCap: ?

[21:04:08]

directhex:

wibbit, much better bet. ask iamlindoro for experience

[21:04:16]

kormoc:

wibbit, decently well sd

[21:04:30]

Frosty-:

AndyCap, Movies4Men?

[21:04:34]

** neb_ likes his onboard intel job **

[21:04:34]

AndyCap:

orko: if you delete stuff and put back a 3 day old backup, the new data is gone.

[21:04:54]

iamlindoro_:

wibbit, I had good experience with the Intel Graphics on a recent Mac Mini in all SD and HD resolutions

[21:05:07]

AndyCap:

Frosty-: Just a weird tv channel name I saw in the list for eurobird.

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wibbit:

iamlindoro, do you know which graphics chip?

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iamlindoro_:

erm, lemme check

[21:05:43]

directhex:

does it matter?

[21:05:46]

directhex:

they're all the same for xv

[21:06:00]

iamlindoro_:

GMA950

[21:06:00]

wibbit:

Though, I believe I'm right in saying, that you can't get Intel add in boards?

[21:06:07]

orko:

AndyCap: so no chance to get the file back to the records list. the files themself still exist

[21:06:09]

Kazan:

wow

[21:06:10]

directhex:

wibbit, correct

[21:06:13]

wibbit:

iamlindoro cheers

[21:06:17]

iamlindoro_:

np

[21:06:25]

AndyCap:

orko: yes

[21:06:25]

directhex:

orko, there's a scipt in contrib to re-add orphans

[21:06:26]

wibbit:

directhex didn't think I'd seen any.

[21:06:37]

AndyCap:

directhex: does it get the names etc?

[21:06:38]

Kazan:

hmm

[21:06:45]

AndyCap:

orko: I stand corrected. :)

[21:06:46]

directhex:

AndyCap, the keyboard

[21:06:53]

wibbit:

Is there any advantage to using HDMI connections over dvi or some thing similar?

[21:06:56]

Kazan:

someone needs to make sure that the internal DVD player is clearing previous menu button overlays every time it's cleared

[21:07:02]

AndyCap:

directhex: hehe, and an old tv guide? :P

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Frosty-:

You could also move the missing stuff to MythVideo

[21:07:25]

kormoc:

wibbit, hdmi is the only thing that supports hdcp if your tv requires it

[21:08:12]

wibbit:

So other than the hdcp related stuff, HDMI isn't really needed? I'm assuming that MythTV being able to play traditional blueray HD movies is a very long way off?

[21:08:16]

orko:

AndyCap: perhaps you can help me with the other prob that i can plan a record and its put to the record tabel in th edatabase but th frontend doe not display my planned recordings.

[21:08:17]

Thomas-:

orko: if you have a backupfile from before youre restored the backup then you can use the recordings from that file

[21:08:17]

kormoc:

that said, I donno if any linux drivers support hdcp, so it might not matter

[21:08:41]

orko:

Thomas-: So i loos my recordings from yesterday;-(

[21:09:35]

Thomas-:

orko: depends on what you have A) db right now, B) if you did a backup before reverting the db

[21:09:46]

AndyCap:

media drm isn't really compatible with an open source os anyway so why bother.

[21:10:05]

AndyCap:

orko: and if the recordings are important you do have the videofiles.

[21:10:32]

Thomas-:

I went from schema 1198 -> 2014 -> 1198 -> 0.21 a couple of days ago (if i rememeber the numbers correctly)

[21:10:33]

iamlindoro_:

directhex, I'm gonna upload a 32 Mbit h.264 file for you to test around on, interested?

[21:10:39]

Thomas-:

without loosing any data

[21:10:40]

orko:

Thomas-: AndyCap : i have the videofiles. but i now can only reach them directly using the files system;-(

[21:10:57]

Thomas-:

orko: then check that script in the contrib folder

[21:11:03]

Thomas-:

to readd them

[21:11:18]

kormoc:

the contrib script will do what you want

[21:11:51]

wibbit:

AndyCap: well, DVD's have a very early form of DRM, and I'm very happy that some one felt the need to be able to over come that drm :)

[21:12:14]

Frosty-:

I have 2 files in /lib/firmware, how do I find which one it has been using

[21:12:15]

wibbit:

AndyCap: though I don't think over coming the blueray stuff will be quite as trivial

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[21:12:31]

AndyCap:

wibbit: sure, the broke it. they didn't make a legit css implementation

[21:12:48]

orko:

kormoc: i have only deb packages installed. i can no find any contriob directory.

[21:12:59]

Frosty-:

did they make dvd playback legal?

[21:13:03]

AndyCap:

wibbit: so unless tv's start refusing 1080p data without hdcp there's no real need to implement it on linux.

[21:13:08]

Thomas-:

orko: check in /usr/share/mythtv

[21:13:28]

wibbit:

AndyCap: I'm just talking about being able to play blueray dvd's

[21:13:28]

Thomas-:

or /usr/local/share/mythtv

[21:13:29]

kormoc:

wibbit, there's free software and then there's 'free' software. Just cause you can get it for free doesn't make it legal to use...

[21:13:49]

directhex:

iamlindoro, yes

[21:13:54]

kormoc:

orko, so download it from mythtv.org

[21:14:09]

AndyCap:

wibbit: yes. but if you're going to play blu-ray on linux it will be without drm. (i.e. no drm at all, or it has been broken or circumvented)

[21:14:16]

directhex:

comtrib IS in debian

[21:14:34]

Kazan:

lovely.. internal dvd player + lord of the rings: two towers extended = busted

[21:14:47]

directhex:

/usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/

[21:14:55]

Kazan:

no audio on main title

[21:15:05]

directhex:

Kazan, 0.21's dvd playback in internal is busted. use 0.21-fixes

[21:15:11]

orko:

directhex: thanks

[21:15:40]

wibbit:

I'm not entirely sure what you and kormoc are trying to tell me (that I don't already know).

[21:15:43]

** Kazan is using trunk **

[21:15:57]

Kazan:

compiled this morning

[21:16:19]

AndyCap:

wibbit: well, all I'm saying is that implementing DRM in an open-source environment is all but useless

[21:16:23]

kormoc:

wibbit, it's more I'm courious as to how you don't want to use say the nvidia closed source driver, but you're willing to break the law to watch dvd's. It's a strange line

[21:16:33]

Kazan:

it's playback even when it's not "busted" gets really slow/choppy in some places too

[21:16:36]

wibbit:

AndyCap: I would really like to be able to go in to a shop, and buy a blueray dvd, and be able to play it. That is some thing I do not see being feasable in the linux world for some time.

[21:16:40]

russell_h:

will a 2.4ghz+ core 2 duo have any trouble decoding HD cable? preferably with cpu time to spare?

[21:16:43]

Kazan:

which is just stupid because i'm running it on a athlon 64 x2 4200+

[21:16:56]

AndyCap:

wibbit: that is true.

[21:16:57]

Kazan:

russell_h: i imagine it would be fine

[21:16:58]

directhex:

russell_h, no

[21:16:59]

cafuego:

russell_h: no

[21:17:05]

directhex:

FUEGO!

[21:17:10]

Kazan:

?

[21:17:18]

Kazan:

2.4ghz C2D couldn't decode HD?

[21:17:20]

** Kazan boggles **

[21:17:21]

Thomas-:

AndyCap: What you mean is implementing open-source DRM is useless, you can still have binary-only DRM support, as easy/hard to hack in lunix and in windows (for example)

[21:17:22]

cafuego:

WHAT!

[21:17:28]

russell_h:

Kazan, directhex, cafuego: thanks

[21:17:32]

iamlindoro_:

Kazan, He asked if it would have any trouble doing it

[21:17:36]

Frosty-:

russell_h, I'm using a Q6600 with threads=2 and one cpu is @ 70% the other is <20%

[21:17:37]

Kazan:

are you talking about MPEG2 or x264

[21:17:40]

directhex:

wibbit, you can't legally walk into a shop, buy a regular dvd, and play it with open-source software. you know that, right?

[21:17:45]

iamlindoro_:

x264 is an encoder, not a codec

[21:17:45]

Kazan:

iamlindoro: i hate double negatives

[21:17:51]

directhex:

Kazan, no it wouldn't have any trouble

[21:17:52]

Kazan:

h264 or whatever

[21:17:56]

iamlindoro_:

;)

[21:17:57]

AndyCap:

Thomas-: probably a bit easier in linux than a proper windows implementation.

[21:18:04]

|Torg|:

iamlindoro do you have that on shortcut :)

[21:18:09]

russell_h:

Frosty-: That should be fine, I just want to be running some other things in the background

[21:18:12]

AndyCap:

directhex: in some countries you can. :)

[21:18:12]

** Kazan giggles.. some douche in my apartment building had their fucking rap music cranked up rocking the place **

[21:18:12]

iamlindoro_:

pet peeve :)

[21:18:17]

wibbit:

AndyCap: Regarding the DRM stuff, I actually follow Linus's stance on that, more that the FSF's, I don't mind DRM, as in Digital Rights Management, what I loath is the way the media companies are using it.

[21:18:22]

directhex:

AndyCap, not in yankland though

[21:18:23]

Kazan:

now i have Two Towers in with my bass up :P

[21:18:30]

Thomas-:

AndyCap: depends mostly on the developer I would say

[21:18:51]

Kazan:

nothing wrong with DRM if it's FAIR

[21:19:03]

** Wonka doesn't like Digital Restrictions Management **

[21:19:09]

directhex:

drm bad. fingerprinting good.

[21:19:12]

Kazan:

but... DRM and fair... not ever going to happen

[21:19:21]

|Torg|:

DRM and FAIR is like diet butter

[21:19:25]

Kazan:

yeah

[21:19:26]

directhex:

not neccessarily

[21:19:28]

Kazan:

not going to happen

[21:19:29]

directhex:

take CAM for instance

[21:19:33]

Frosty-:

I can't Beleive its not DRM!

[21:19:40]

directhex:

satelite vendors who will sell you a legit, branded DRM

[21:19:40]

** Thomas- is going to enjoy the fact that it's the 14'th of march, bbl **

[21:19:41]

AndyCap:

Frosty-: dang. beat me to it

[21:19:42]

mishehu:

gah. ok, this pisses me off.... I just got an asus m2a-vm hdmi motherboard to put in my antec minuet350 chassis, and it turns out that the damn hdmi & sdpif audio connectors are on a *full* height expansion card... and the minuet only accepts a half=height.

[21:19:46]

Kazan:

not even sure if it's possible.. but that point is moot since nobody is EVER going to try it

[21:19:47]

directhex:

legit branded CAM, sorry

[21:19:54]

AndyCap:

directhex: fewer by the minute.

[21:20:04]

Kazan:

in 2015 it's going to be a very PI day

[21:20:05]

directhex:

that's fair. selling a CAm so your customers can use anything to access your drm is fair

[21:20:09]

Kazan:

3.14.15

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Wonka:

Kazan: can't see what's si \pi about 2015-03–14

[21:20:41]

|Torg|:

directhex please send me a nagra2 cam with card for dishnet ill go buy a dvb-s2 card now.....now wait they bordcast 8qsb turbo fec

[21:20:46]

AndyCap:

directhex: yeah. I could live with that. But CAM's allow you to get your clammy hands on the digital HD stream. :)

[21:21:07]

cafuego:

sorry, you have the order wrong. it's 15.03.2008 today

[21:21:07]

Kazan:

Wonka: yes.. you had to use a date representation you know is going to break it... way to be a spoilsport

[21:21:07]

iamlindoro_:

directhex, agreed on fingerprinting... I have no problem with a digital watermark WHATSOEVER. Hell, put my social security and credit card in there, I don't care, I don't intend to share a thing

[21:21:07]

Kazan:

(and yes i normally use YYYY-MM-DD)

[21:21:10]

Wonka:

Kazan: only sensible one ;)

[21:21:21]

Kazan:

Wonka: you're trying to apply sense to americans

[21:21:31]

Wonka:

Kazan: not only them

[21:21:58]

Wonka:

Kazan: i know, that mission won't be accomplished quite soon...

[21:22:29]

Frosty-:

I'm totally addicted to Pepsi Max, nearly 2 litres in a day :(

[21:22:33]

wibbit:

kormoc: on that front, I can see why you would say it is an unusual line. It is a cross between practicality/ease, if I use the intel stuff, it just works, and I don't have to worry about kernel updates borking stuff. As for the DVD stuff, I don't have to break the law to be able to play DVD on linux.

[21:22:52]

directhex:

wibbit, you're based in which country?

[21:23:00]

wibbit:

UK

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|Torg|:

wibbit libdvdcss is NOT illegal, or to be exact it has never been tried in court

[21:23:29]

directhex:

|Torg|, that's an entirely geographically specific statement

[21:23:35]

Wonka:

<repeat>since 0.21, EIT scanning only returns data for the four programs of one dvb-t channel; nothing for the other 20 programs / five channels – any ideas where to look?</>

[21:23:36]

Frosty-:

in a few years we'll have libbdcss

[21:23:54]

directhex:

wibbit, you have no fair use rights in the uk. ripping a cd to vorbis is illegal, fr'example

[21:24:13]

Wonka:

|Torg|: but there have been people in jail for decss, nor?

[21:24:25]

|Torg|:

decss is NOT libdecss

[21:24:38]

wibbit:

directhex, I do have fair use rights, just possibly not as many as I want

[21:24:47]

|Torg|:

and directhex I am ossyr I have always been under the impression the US laws were MORE restrictive then UK ones

[21:25:03]

wibbit:

directhex, regarding the ripping of music, to ogg, etc. I think they are looking to change that, and make it legal.

[21:25:13]

kormoc:

|Torg|, sadly, that's not the case, the UK has some rather restrictive in cases...

[21:25:16]

hnitsuj:

wibbit: there's no precedent for 'fair use' in the UK with respect to copyrighted material – insofar as ripping/copying is concerned

[21:25:24]

kormoc:

wibbit, looking to change that doesn't make it legal now :P

[21:25:29]

Kazan:

both the US and UK have a bunch of idiot moron corporate whores for legislators

[21:25:36]

hnitsuj:

the authorities turn a blind eye to it on a consumer level

[21:25:44]

Frosty-:

tbh, legal or illegal doesn't matter, as long as I don't get caught :)

[21:25:54]

wibbit:

kormoc: true, but I don't think it is explicitly breaking the law to copy a CD, for personal use.

[21:26:01]

Kazan:

though.. the US house today said "retroactive immunity? Not yours!" (though.. by barely better than a 50%-50% margin :/)

[21:26:02]

hnitsuj:

wibbit: it IS

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iamlindoro_:

directhex, I've got a couple uploads going right now, will PM them to you in a bit... because it's dd'ed off the start of the movie w/ a bunch of black screen, it's 25 at 28 Mbit/s respectively, but at least an interesting way to push a system a bit more

[21:26:26]

wibbit:

hnitsuj: I'd need to see the part of the law that states it is, because I don't think it is

[21:26:27]

hnitsuj:

it's STILL against UK law to make a copy of copyrighted works without the copyright owner's permission

[21:26:44]

wibbit:

hmmmm

[21:27:18]

hnitsuj:

home copying has been overlooked for a very long time & that isn't likely to change in the near future, that much has already been said clearly

[21:27:20]

wibbit:

hnitsuj: you appear to be right

[21:27:22]

AndyCap:

breakin' the law, breakin' the law!

[21:27:25]

kormoc:

wibbit, http://copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law

[21:27:29]

|Torg|:

wibbit: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res& . . . etG3GIRArepA

[21:27:33]

AndyCap:

kormoc: I smell bias. :)

[21:27:36]

|Torg|:

its under section 1201

[21:27:43]

Frosty-:

recent update concerning copyright and future changes: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/08/copyright_reform/

[21:27:59]

wibbit:

Frosty-: got that from bbc just now

[21:28:02]

hnitsuj:

thebollocks.com

[21:28:03]

kormoc:

AndyCap, tis true, but they're the ones who will take it to court saying they're right anyway :P

[21:28:25]

wibbit:

|Torg|: hehe, I really don't want to see the DMCA crap ;)

[21:28:36]

Frosty-:

lol wibbit asked for proof on copyright law, and google nearly had a fit

[21:28:44]

hnitsuj:

anyway, if people do end up being prosecuted for it, can't the likes of Apple & Microsoft also be roped in for incitement? ;)

[21:28:46]

|Torg|:

I dont want it to exist, dosnt make it go away tho

[21:29:02]

wibbit:

hnitsuj: probably not, as they are selling it in that format

[21:29:18]

directhex:

wibbit, they have apps with a "rip" button

[21:29:25]

hnitsuj:

wibbit: maybe you forget their software which facilitates copying :P

[21:29:33]

AndyCap:

rip, mix, burn, do time.

[21:29:34]

wibbit:

Though, I would REALLY be curious to know, how on earth digital personal media players, and tape players, and mini disc player could be so pervasive, and not be challenged

[21:29:55]

wibbit:

hnitsuj: Nope, but I am sure there is lots of free and open music that can be copied :)

[21:30:32]

** AndyCap goes to download this months allottment from emusic. **

[21:31:14]

wibbit:

Fluendo, do they distribute the software to decript dvd's?

[21:31:20]

Frosty-:

Nikas, I may in fact be using dvb-usb-dib0700–01.fw , is that old? :o

[21:31:31]

Nikas:

Frosty-, yes. 1.10 is newer

[21:31:34]

hnitsuj:

wibbit: oh there is, but it's shit

[21:31:40]

directhex:

wibbit, the mpeg2 codec part, not the css decrypter part

[21:31:52]

hnitsuj:

directhex: they licensed dvd playback too

[21:31:52]

Nikas:

Frosty-, the new v4l-dvb will look for 1.10

[21:31:59]

wibbit:

directhex: arse, so there isn't a way to legally watch DVD's under linux

[21:32:02]

wibbit:

that is soooo shizen

[21:32:06]

Frosty-:

Nikas, when /lib/firmware is empty, it asks for that file, do I need to boot to windows and upgrade it?

[21:32:09]

hnitsuj:

wibbit: not for _free_ there ain't

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hnitsuj:

nor for Free

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wibbit:

OR to pay for

[21:32:18]

AndyCap:

wibbit: if you're a qualified integrator you can license lindvd for your set top box project

[21:32:21]

Nikas:

Frosty-, for 1.10?

[21:32:34]

hnitsuj:

wibbit: yeah – those fluendo bas.. er.. people have done it

[21:32:39]

Frosty-:

Nikas, the question is how do I upgrade the card :)

[21:32:42]

wibbit:

AndyCap: do I have to prove I'm qualified? :D

[21:32:44]

AndyCap:

wibbit: I guess you'll want to produce a few thousand boxes

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Frosty-:

Nikas, I have both files in /lib/firmware but it requests the old one

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AndyCap:

wibbit: http://www.intervideo.com/jsp/Product_Profile.jsp?p=LinDVD

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Frosty-:

Nikas, does the kernel driver pick the firmware or the card itself

[21:33:18]

Nikas:

Frosty-, have you downloaded and compiled v4l-dvb?

[21:33:21]

kormoc:

wibbit, lindvd is legal

[21:33:27]

Nikas:

Frosty-, no, the v4l-dvb-drivers does that

[21:33:33]

hnitsuj:

oh bugger – seems they've not done dvd playbackery yet. my bad!

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Frosty-:

mid way through it, just wondering if I needed to flash the card

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kormoc:

but I think they stopped making it

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hnitsuj:

Frosty-: nah. firmware tends to be loaded at driver loady time

[21:34:16]

Frosty-:

hnitsuj, right okay. Sorry Nikas, the whole firmware thing made me think of EEPROM

[21:34:17]

wibbit:

oh well, no matter, a lot of this is too academic :\

[21:34:21]

wibbit:

It's just some what anoying

[21:34:23]

Nikas:

Frosty-, the firmware gets loaded at boot but you need to cold boot for that

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wibbit:

Last question, before I had off and rip out some skirting boards before the plaster turns up.

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Nikas:

Frosty-, no, not eeprom ;) just grab the latest v4l-dvb. :)

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kormoc:

wibbit, 42

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wibbit:

Since upgrading to 0.21, I've found that there is a lot of stutter on video playback within mythtv

[21:35:19]

hnitsuj:

kormoc: judging by their website they've not stopped making it but it's not available to end users

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kormoc:

ahh, fair 'nuff

[21:35:32]

wibbit:

I check the cpu usage on my laptop (I don't actually have a tv, it's on my list), and the CPU is maxed out while playing the video

[21:35:51]

hnitsuj:

man, every time I see that stupid penguin...

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AndyCap:

hnitsuj: since the page is from 2000 I'd say it's pretty dead

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hnitsuj:

heheh oops!

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hnitsuj:

all your decoder now belong to us

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wibbit:

AndyCap: Well, they do state that they are comitted to producing outstanding media solutoins for linux, so surely they can't be dead

[21:36:41]

AndyCap:

hnitsuj: but if the volume is large I guess you can get a deal for some dusty crap from their basement

[21:36:47]

wibbit:

No one that commited would let it drop.

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AndyCap:

wibbit: :)

[21:37:10]

hnitsuj:

maybe they just never got any orders

[21:37:26]

hnitsuj:

the 'year of linux' hasn't quite come around yet has it

[21:37:29]

AndyCap:

http://www.intervideo.com/jsp/oem/FSC.jsp seems they have some sort of media thing running linux

[21:38:42]

hnitsuj:

intervideo, now owned by Corel (!)

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Frosty-:

Corel suck, they ruined PSP

[21:39:15]

AndyCap:

haha, InstantOn is some sort of quickboot mediaplayer install

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hnitsuj:

Frosty-: wow, another PSP fan!

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wibbit:

Any thoughts on the video stutter?

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Frosty-:

I love it, used it since shareware v1.x

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peoples:

hey guys

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peoples:

i've some strange problem with my mythweb

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hnitsuj:

Frosty-: sssshhhh, don't tell anybody but a large number of mythtv themes somebody did were all done in PSP 9 :P

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peoples:

when i click on search .. i only see an white page ..

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kormoc:

check your apache error logs

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peoples:

log file says: Class 'program' not found in /home/httpd/html/mythweb/modules/tv/search.php on line 66

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kormoc:

likely running out of memory

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kormoc:

oh, never mind

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hnitsuj:

wibbit: mythfrontend -v playback

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peoples:

search.php on line 66: $_SESSION['search']['ctype'] = program::category_types();

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Frosty-:

hnitsuj, hehe I can beleive that. May not look it at first glance but its a powerful app. Just a pity PSP11 takes 20 seconds just to load :s

[21:41:20]

kormoc:

peoples, where did you get said copy?

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hnitsuj:

Frosty-: I tried a demo of 10. it was poo. not even poo on a stick

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AndyCap:

wibbit: so, if you want legal dvd playback on linux you go buy a PC with Cyberlink InstantOn. (which is a dvd playing embedded linuxdistro) and wn.

[21:42:00]

AndyCap:

s/wn/win/

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peoples:

i've insert -> include("classes/Program.php") for testing at the top of search.php and it runs

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kormoc:

peoples, where did you get said copy?

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Frosty-:

peoples, I briefly had the same issue, renamed mythweb dir, copied the mythweb dir from mythplugins and it worked again

[21:43:06]

hnitsuj:

invent a new media format with a new license, making it unsuitable for use by for-profit outfits.. pay off a load of execs to come on board... </dream>

[21:43:13]

peoples:

kormoc: what you mean ?

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Frosty-:

having the config files in apache makes replacing mythweb files much easier

[21:43:18]

kormoc:

the other thing is if he's using -trunk with a php less then 5.1 it won't work

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wibbit:

hnitsuj: Okay I'm seeing a lot of 2008-03–14 21:43:24.298 NVP: Video is 3.30475 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up.

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hnitsuj:

somebody give www.mythtvnews.com a nudge will yer ;)

[21:44:00]

AndyCap:

hnitsuj: how much do you think it will cost to pay off microsoft to include mkv/ogg/dirac/vorbis/theora ?

[21:44:02]

Frosty-:

actually kormoc, you're spot on, as usual, I had 4.x installed and upgraded at the same time

[21:44:03]

kormoc:

peoples, exactly what I said. Did you check it out from svn yourself or from a rpm or a deb or what?

[21:44:13]

peoples:

i run php 5.2.5 with svn

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wibbit:

and a lot of 2008-03–14 21:43:24.513 NVP: Video is 3.03405 frames ahead of audio,

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wibbit:

doubling video frame interval to slow down.

[21:44:30]

wibbit:

AndyCap: I fear that sounds like just a tad too much hassle :\

[21:44:34]

peoples:

kormoc: sorry .. checked out from svn

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Frosty-:

peoples, what distro?

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kormoc:

peoples, run svn status and make sure it's clean?

[21:44:47]

peoples:

archlinux

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AndyCap:

wibbit: what? you just need to buy a new PC? :-P

[21:45:16]

wibbit:

AndyCap: :p

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wibbit:

AndyCap: I'd accept that if it wasn't for the fact that it was working fine on the previous install :p

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peoples:

svn status returns ? cleanup

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kormoc:

well, for some reason your copy isn't running the class autoloader that it should

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fus10nx:

hi All!

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Frosty-:

I miss XBMC's TV show sorting and tvdb lookup scripts

[21:48:32]

fus10nx:

MediaPortal :)

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fus10nx:

its almost the same, but more features

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peoples:

kormoc: can be some bad mythweb.conf for apache or fail php lib the reason ?

[21:49:18]

wibbit:

AndyCap: hnitsuj: so has some thing changed that would cause this stuttering with the latest update?

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kormoc:

a bad config file wouldn't do it

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kormoc:

peoples, verify you have includes/class_autoload.php

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peoples:

php.ini ?

[21:49:48]

Anduin:

Frosty-: Season/Episode sorting will make it in to MythVideo for the next release

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kormoc:

peoples, and that it's included in includes/init.php

[21:50:10]

xris:

Anduin: slick.

[21:50:20]

xris:

that'll be really handy for my good eats library. :)

[21:50:36]

Frosty-:

Anduin, will it remove the episodes from the video manager? having a few seasons of something makes that list very big :o

[21:50:38]

hnitsuj:

mediaportal, it's about the same as mythtv – only not responsive & very crashy IME

[21:50:39]

Wonka:

<repeat>since 0.21, EIT scanning only returns data for the four programs of one dvb-t channel; nothing for the other 20 programs / five channels – any ideas where to look?</>

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Frosty-:

Anduin, great news though :) thankyou

[21:50:47]

peoples:

kormoc: all fine

[21:51:04]

wibbit:

AndyCap: hnitsuj: I wouldn't have thought a dell D620 would be underpowered to act as a mythfrontend

[21:51:19]

hnitsuj:

dell model numbers mean nothing to me

[21:51:22]

kormoc:

peoples, and you're at the latest version?

[21:51:31]

Frosty-:

Nikas, v4l-dvb success: dvb-usb: downloading firmware from file 'dvb-usb-dib0700–1.10.fw'

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hnitsuj:

wibbit: a celery 733Mhz can play SDTV mpeg2 from freeview juuuuust fine

[21:51:53]

peoples:

kormoc: Rev: 16506

[21:52:05]

Anduin:

Frosty-: As often as the feature was requested I kept hoping someone would just write and submit a patch :)

[21:52:07]

Nikas:

Frosty-, great :) If you have more problems, try without eit

[21:52:11]

peoples:

just a few days old ..

[21:52:17]

wibbit:

hnitsuj: sorry, Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME Graphics and 2+ gh'z cpu

[21:52:33]

kormoc:

peoples, care to update just to make sure? I'm at 16556 and it works fine

[21:52:46]

kormoc:

wibbit, it's cause it's a dell

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hnitsuj:

wibbit: my frontend is a c2d with 945GM graphics. not running 0.21 yet though

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wibbit:

kormoc: :p

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peoples:

k .. i'll update it again and see what happens .. :)

[21:53:24]

hnitsuj:

kormoc: ahh, the old issue of a machine lacking a real bus & they just used USB for everything ;)

[21:53:30]

wibbit:

hnitsuj: as I said, it was fine with the previous version, so I'm wondering if some thing was changed, in the update, that would suddenly result in it not being able to deal with it

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Frosty-:

Nikas, would I need to match xmltv info to the channel numbers manually if I shifted to RadioTimes?

[21:54:00]

d00gster:

hey guys, anyone using and had luck with mobo with atm 3200 with hdmi out for myth?

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Nikas:

Frosty-, i think so.. we don't have RadioTimes here in Sweden ;)

[21:54:56]

Frosty-:

Nikas, oops, ignorant me beleives everyone is from the UK :)

[21:55:10]

Frosty-:

hej, jag heter Steve :)

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hnitsuj:

Frosty-: yeah you would. one of my abandoned projects was to make an xmltv configury wizard thingy for UK peeps

[21:55:21]

Nikas:

Frosty-, hehe you do?

[21:55:36]

Frosty-:

Nikas, thank god you didn't reply in swedish, as thats all I know :)

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kormoc:

Frosty-, oh come on, you know very well everyone is from the US :P

[21:55:51]

Frosty-:

kormoc, only fat people

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Nikas:

Frosty-, lol..

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Nikas:

hej, jag heter niklas.. btw ;)

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Frosty-:

:)

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kormoc:

Frosty-, speak for yourself butter butt! :P

[21:56:47]

AndyCap:

maybe it's the total mass of people that curves time and space and alters perception. :)

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xand:

RT listings are good except the essay program descriptions

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** kormoc laughs **

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hnitsuj:

wow. all that car shopping today has taken it out of me

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kormoc:

ouch, my American pride

[21:57:12]

hnitsuj:

xand: that and the fact they regularly spoil a lot

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Nikas:

Frosty-, i had to match all my channels with the xmltv-id's .. but i did it in the database.

[21:57:37]

AndyCap:

kormoc: Pilgrim's Pride?

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hnitsuj:

want to know the ending? just read the description :-\

[21:57:44]

xand:

well yes

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Nikas:

Frosty-, you could do it with the help of mythweb too

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AndyCap:

hnitsuj: not a problem. only the beginning of the description show up in the OSD :)

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Frosty-:

Nikas, last time I tried, I had no idea which numbers matched to what :s

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wibbit:

Okay, I better go rip things up, for the plasterer in the morning, hopefully an update to .21 will fix the stutter issue

[21:58:53]

hnitsuj:

Frosty-: all the channel xmltvids are listed in /usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt/chanids

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peoples:

kormoc: same error .. :\

[21:59:28]

Nikas:

Frosty-, yes, you should have the ids in one file..

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Frosty-:

xand, EIT sometimes neglects to explain episodes, so they all have a generic description, would radiotimes be different allowing myth to distinguish between episodes?

[21:59:50]

hnitsuj:

Frosty-: the trick in the UK is knowing which ITV & BBC region you're in.

[21:59:51]

kormoc:

peoples, I donno man, something is screwy with your setup somehow

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hnitsuj:

Frosty-: varies. sometimes descriptions vary between repeats of the same show on the same day

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hnitsuj:

Frosty-: I'd much rather have one too many recordings than none though ;)

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xand:

Frosty-: the descriptions seem to be the same as the printed magazine

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xand:

often very long

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kormoc:

hnitsuj, unless that one more recording expired something you wanted to watch?

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xand:

i.e. a mini review

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hnitsuj:

kormoc: true, but the savvy don't allow that to happen ;)

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kormoc:

heh, true true

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xand:

e.g. It's always been a mystery to me how characters in TV thrillers can have ready access to warehouses to hide in or from which to carry out dirty dealings with impunity, safe in the knowledge that no-one will ever find them. There are lots of warehouses in The Last Enemy, yet hapless maths whizz Stephen Ezard still can't keep himself safe. Yes, he gets smacked on the head again this week. Maybe he should start wearing a crash helmet. Poor Stephen (Be

[22:01:51]

xand:

... Cumberbatch). No wonder he always looks like a big, worried mouse. He can't sleep with his irritating sister-in-law any more because the brother he thought was dead, but isn't, is back and he's being pursued by, among many, many others, shadowy government types for reasons that aren't entirely clear. Still, Stephen seems to have hit on the solution to The Last Enemy's central mystery (thank heavens, as there's only another episode to go). "I've got

[22:01:58]

xand:

... going on!" Really? RT reviewer – Alison Graham

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hnitsuj:

from what I've gathered about MCE mythtv is generations ahead. work colleague of mine always says MCE keeps recording multiple instances of really old shows & never a new one

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xand:

oops

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xand:

that's one description ,sorry about the length :P

[22:02:36]

** xand doesn't trust the repeating recordings thing, and sets them all manually :| **

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hnitsuj:

so whoever MS are paying for their guide data in the UK, they're not getting enough money

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hnitsuj:

xand: Freeview Playback flags will improve a lot of that, assuming the EIT monkeys don't screw up

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Frosty-:

ouch that sucks

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Frosty-:

I think I'll abandon mythtv-setup for the moment, see if I have anymore problems with EIT enabled

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hnitsuj:

MCE has some nifty ideas which I plan to borrow for mythtv eventually

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peoples:

what the .... i'm here on my htpc with the error .. i connect to mythweb via http://localhost/mythweb

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iamlindoro__:

OMG! He's hacked into my MythWeb!! That's *my* address!

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peoples:

from another pc when i surf to 192.168.0.2/mythweb it runs fine ?

[22:04:37]

peoples:

:P

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hnitsuj:

I like their show search gadget. mythmusic has a very similar thing but I can't help but think it's wasted on there – could do wi being in mythtv proper IMHO

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bsdfox:

lol

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hnitsuj:

I need to get my head around arrays in c++ before I tackle that though

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bsdfox:

peoples: just means your httpd is running on localhost and your lan address

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hnitsuj:

arrays/lists/whatever

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bsdfox:

so it's probably 0.0.0.0

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Frosty-:

bsdfox, he has class errors when he uses localhost

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Frosty-:

ie. "it works from here though" – bizarre

[22:06:12]

bsdfox:

class errors?

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iamlindoro__:

"Doc, it hurts when I do this." "Then don't do that!"

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bsdfox:

did mythweb go java?

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Frosty-:

php has classes too

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xris:

god no

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kormoc:

bsdfox, why would classes mean java?

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peoples:

bsdfox: yes but the error comes only local .. ?

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peoples:

class error only local ? i've no idea .. strange

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Frosty-:

netstat only gives one httpd?

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bsdfox:

kormoc: cause I'm a programming noob?

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peoples:

Frosty-: yes .. only one on port 80 ..

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hnitsuj:

c++ has classes aswell! :O

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Frosty-:

not used httpd, but does localhost and IP have seperate virtualhost settings. Can happen in apache :s

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foo8ar:

hi all, transcoding seems to remove the stream containing the subtitles on an DVB stream,

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foo8ar:

any way too keep them?

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hnitsuj:

yeah. don't transcode em

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AndyCap:

buy moar gigz

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Deek:

Can BackendServerIP validly be 0.0.0.0?

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iamlindoro__:

Or transcode on your own w/ ffmpeg and the -map option. Learn how in #ffmpeg, on the ffmpeg site, or by paying me $2.99 a minute.

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Deek:

(to listen on all IFs)

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Frosty-:

0900 IAMLINDORO

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iamlindoro__:

"Hey there you big dorgeous hunk of man... I hear you want to learn about ffmpeg... What are you wearing?"

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iamlindoro__:

gorgeous

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_Slingky:

hi guys, could somebody tell me what mean "Wrong PMT" error ?

[22:21:25]

Frosty-:

h264 stamped speedo's

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Deek:

I dunno, dorgeous is kinda good too somehow.

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_Slingky:

i jave only sound, may it be related to signal or switch configuration ?

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iamlindoro__:

_Slingky: Used to work, now doesn't?

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** iamlindoro__ thumbtwiddles **

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_Slingky:

iamlindoro: 1st setup

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hnitsuj:

_Slingky: PMT? time to buy lots & lots of chocolates

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_Slingky:

?

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iamlindoro__:

Ah. Well, normally I would have suggested rescanning your channels. But perhaps they weren't scanned properly in the first place

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iamlindoro__:

hnitsuj: Hah, if that's the anglicized version of what we call PMS, ha

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_Slingky:

I supposed it is not possible to talk about sasc-ng here but fta channels are working. and some encrypted channels, I hear sound but no picture, weird

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iamlindoro__:

GET OUT

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|Torg|:

its posible but will get you kicked out

[22:25:01]

iamlindoro__:

now you *really* won't get any help

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_Slingky:

i won't repart

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_Slingky:

i won't repeat sorry

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Frosty-:

Nikas, do you know if this patch is included in the firmware we are using? //www.mail-archive.com/linux-dvb@linuxtv.org/msg24926.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-dvb@linuxtv.org/msg24926.html

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_Slingky:

so maybe channels are not scanned properly

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iamlindoro__:

If the free channels are working, then Mythtv is working fine. We're certainly not going to help with the satellitey-stealy-bits

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_Slingky:

you're right

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Nikas:

Frosty-, the patch seems to bee for v4l-dvb so yes, i think so

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_Slingky:

could you tell me if there is a way to know they are scanned properly ?

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|Torg|:

_Slingky: can you get the free channels?

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Nikas:

be*

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: i got my qam modulator today

[22:36:23]

iamlindoro__:

Aww, now you can... erm...

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iamlindoro__:

Wait, does anypart of this result in a Mythbox being built?

[22:37:03]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: for some strange reason, i had to use 64qam, 256 qam wouldn't work

[22:37:10]

CCFL_Man2:

yes

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iamlindoro__:

Why wouldn't 256 work??

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CCFL_Man2:

i honestly have no idea, the symbol rate was 5 megasymbols though

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CCFL_Man2:

no hd streams, just 3 standard definition streams and two audio

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iamlindoro__:

Sounds like it'd be worth looking into, I'd be mad if I spent money on a QAM and couldn't get 256 out of it

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iamlindoro__:

What's the bitrate on your SD signals?

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CCFL_Man2:

thing is though, do i use 256 qam with higher baudrate streams?

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CCFL_Man2:

highest one is 3.5mbit

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iamlindoro__:

yes, higher order constellation = more bits per symbol

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CCFL_Man2:

the one is like 2 or so, and the otherone i don't know because it's powervu encrypted

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh, i should of increased the symbol rate then?

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iamlindoro__:

I *think* so, but bear in mind it's been a long while since I've messed with this stuff

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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iamlindoro__:

You should buy a beer for your local cable engineer

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CCFL_Man2:

makes sense though

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CCFL_Man2:

i could call rl drake though

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iamlindoro__:

Higher order QAM is more prone to bit error, but for your setup that should *never* be a problem

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iamlindoro__:

Unless you're transmitting over aluminum foil

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CCFL_Man2:

i bed i had to use a multiplex with hdtv in it

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CCFL_Man2:

bet

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iamlindoro__:

What, in order to use 256? No, I don't think so

[22:44:20]

iamlindoro__:

There are tons of muxes on 256 w/ no HD streams

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iamlindoro__:

I get one in my area with 11 SD channels in one mux, no HD in sight

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CCFL_Man2:

i can adjust the baud rate, it'll add null packets to the stream to pad everything

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CCFL_Man2:

well, higher bitrate

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iamlindoro__:

Are your DVB-ASI SD streams really coming out at 3.5 Mbit?

[22:46:25]

iamlindoro__:

Barely any if any advantage over regular cable if so :(

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CCFL_Man2:

i honestly can't say, the motorola ird i'm using says so

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iamlindoro__:

Yeesh

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CCFL_Man2:

has bitrate in the diagnostics

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iamlindoro__:

Was hoping you'd be getting nice streams with full channel bandwidth for all that effort

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CCFL_Man2:

i think i am though

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iamlindoro__:

Well, that would be a heck of a lot more than 3.5 Mbit

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CCFL_Man2:

nothing is being re-encoded

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CCFL_Man2:

thats just the video bitrate

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iamlindoro__:

Well yeah, but that's a pretty pathetic video bitrate

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CCFL_Man2:

for standard definition?

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iamlindoro__:

For all that effort? Yes. I get plenty of channels at around that bitrate with regular cable

[22:49:53]

iamlindoro__:

All my SD channels come in at 2.5 to 3.5 Mbit

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iamlindoro__:

except for that one huge mux w/ 11

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iamlindoro__:

Which is like QVC, community college, etc.

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CCFL_Man2:

the dcII stream that i can lock onto has a video bitrate of 4.5 to 5mbit

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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iamlindoro__:

One would think that you'd be getting better bitrates than the average bear is what I'm saying

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CCFL_Man2:

well, this is DW-TV, CN8 gave mt 4.5 to 5mbit on dcII

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iamlindoro__:

Well that's a bit better

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CCFL_Man2:

yeah

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iamlindoro__:

Now if only you had any channels I cared to watch ;)

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CCFL_Man2:

the whole multiplex from the ird is 5mega symbols, thats like 10mbit

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CCFL_Man2:

i need more dishes

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iamlindoro__:

Yeah, but that's a full multiplex, and even that isn't full channel-width

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CCFL_Man2:

i need one for music choice, one for discovery networks

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CCFL_Man2:

oh i know, but thats what i was getting from that transponder

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CCFL_Man2:

music choice is, right now, unencrypted on galaxy 14

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CCFL_Man2:

dcII

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CCFL_Man2:

one neat trick of this ird is it can output one channel or the whole multiplex

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CCFL_Man2:

since the 50 some channels music choice channels, i can output the whole multiplex and use just one ird

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iamlindoro__:

Or, ya know, just use MythMusic ;)

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CCFL_Man2:

heh

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CCFL_Man2:

this is there mythmusic comes in

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CCFL_Man2:

you've heard of dvbshout?

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iamlindoro__:

Nope

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iamlindoro__:

but I have Google-fu

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CCFL_Man2:

dvbshout is a program that tunes a multiplex from a linux dvb card and takes the actual streams and makes them an icecast or shouldcast source

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iamlindoro__:

too late ;)

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CCFL_Man2:

lol

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CCFL_Man2:

so with music choice on the cable system, my atsc/qam card will tune that with dvb shout, and i can have the 53 streams accessed by mythmusic

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CCFL_Man2:

thing is, i think all the music choice streams are in ac3

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** hnitsuj receives a tasteless joke about the Welsh Mining Industry.... **

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CCFL_Man2:

and i don't think you can stream ac3

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bagpuss_thecat:

myth.find_orphans.pl found and deleted 24 recordings from the db at my request, but it's left another 201 recordings with no file... is that norma

[23:08:22]

bagpuss_thecat:

l?

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CCFL_Man2:

i'll have to do re-encoding

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro__: another strange thing is that DW-TV is standard definition widescreen, and my hdtv tuner won't display that properly

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hnitsuj:

hahaha stoopid bloody nokia pc suite. wants to convert audio files to aac by default but my phone wont play em

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** bagpuss_thecat resorts to a database massacre based on the sql statements found in myth.find_orphans.pl **

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hnitsuj:

didn't want to work with bluesoleil either. stinking PoS

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Aval0n:

are there any audiophiles in here?

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hnitsuj:

depends. I like quality up to a point but didn't spend 10 years salary on a hifi

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Aval0n:

I have Q's on inwall speaker placement

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Aval0n:

putting the center and fronts in ceiling

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hnitsuj:

in wall? forget about audiophilery then

[23:26:47]

Aval0n:

?

[23:26:50]

Aval0n:

why

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Aval0n:

inwall speakers can sound amazing

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Aval0n:

the ones I have are like $200.00 a pair

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Aval0n:

it's not like it used to be when they all sucked :)

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Aval0n:

not 200 a pair 200 per speaker

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hnitsuj:

I don't think any ceiling or wall mount speaker can begin to compete with a properly placed _proper_ speaker

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hnitsuj:

*in-wall

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Aval0n:

http://proxy2.ldproxy.com/aval0n/arcade/100_1489.JPG

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Aval0n:

that's what I have currently

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Aval0n:

and it sounds great

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Aval0n:

but the wife hates them on the wall

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iamlindoro__:

Aval0n: A trick for speakers: Put the speaker where you intend to sit, then walk around/stand on chairs/etc until the music sounds best to you-- put the speaker there.

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro: that's awesome

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iamlindoro__:

basically reverse the position of you and the speaker... sounds a little silly but works very well in the end

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Aval0n:

my wife hates me havint speakers all over the place

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Aval0n:

especially these

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Aval0n:

http://proxy2.ldproxy.com/aval0n/arcade/100_1490.JPG

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iamlindoro__:

Aww, I've seen worse

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hnitsuj:

heh my wife loves our big floorstanders

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iamlindoro__:

It think it's be weird to have your center channel coming from so far above your TV in that first one, though

[23:30:54]

iamlindoro__:

er I think it'd be

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Aval0n:

it looked like crap when I had i closer

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iamlindoro__:

And I myself prefer the woofer behind and to the side and not in front, but to each his own

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Aval0n:

omni-directional :)

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iamlindoro__:

Aval0n: I put my center below *right* where the pulldown screen stops

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iamlindoro__:

Aval0n: by definition

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hnitsuj:

tbh I think my wife would prefer having speakers mounted on the wall rather than me digging great big holes in the walls

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Aval0n:

yeah but these are paintable

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Aval0n:

and more soothing to the eye

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hnitsuj:

seriously though – if you're looking at those speakers & calling yourself an audiophile, think again :)

[23:33:01]

Aval0n:

at what speaker?

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iamlindoro__:

all of them :)

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Aval0n:

why are you against in-wall speakers justin?

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hnitsuj:

the ones in the 1st pic

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Aval0n:

what's a matter them?

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Aval0n:

just the center?

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hnitsuj:

dispersion patterns

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iamlindoro__:

/ the fact that they came out of a box marked "home theatre set"

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hnitsuj:

and for one thing, for speakers to work in a wall, they have to be ones designed for the job

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Aval0n:

they didn't

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hnitsuj:

mucho expensivo

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Aval0n:

hnitsuj: these were

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hnitsuj:

no way. speakers intended for in-wall mounting don't look like that IME

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Aval0n:

it was sold as a 3k dollar system

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iamlindoro__:

Aval0n: anything with a tiny cone is by definition not going to have wide dynamic range-- no matter what Dr. Bose tells you

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Aval0n:

wth

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Aval0n:

those aren't inwall speaker justin

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Aval0n:

that's what I have currently

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Aval0n:

they sound very good

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hnitsuj:

well, all I'll say is, if hiding them is more important than sound (which it clearly is to you).. go for em

[23:36:01]

Aval0n:

the ones in the pic certainly aren't hidden

[23:36:10]

Aval0n:

I'm not trying to hide them

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Aval0n:

I'll put them wherever it sounds best

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hnitsuj:

but nothing.. I repeat _nothing_ will ever equal proper speakers of a decent size

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iamlindoro__:

an in-wall speaker with a decent cone size/build quality is bound to sound as good as those tiny things

[23:36:39]

iamlindoro__:

hnitsuj: Floor-standing FTW!

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Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

I have kids

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Aval0n:

and am not rich

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Aval0n:

so floor standing is out of the question

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hnitsuj:

I'm not rich...

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Aval0n:

;)

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iamlindoro__:

so the first time one of them so much as TOUCHES them you use them as bludgeoning instruments

[23:37:19]

iamlindoro__:

lesson learned!

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Aval0n:

hah

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hnitsuj:

but anyway, if you get proper inwall speakers made for the job they'll sound ok

[23:37:38]

iamlindoro__:

There is nowhere NEAR enough corporal punishment any more... *sigh*

[23:37:38]

Aval0n:

that's what I have justin

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hnitsuj:

as far as hi-fi is concerned though, they will not be

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Aval0n:

I have them sitting in my garage

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hnitsuj:

but I'm not a hifi snob by any means – if they sound good to you & your wife is happy that's a job done

[23:38:42]

Frosty-:

I bought these, http://www.ebuyer.com/product/94471 and they are truly magnificent. They are very very loud and lose no quality at full volume. Maybe not surround, but its the best 2.1 I've ever hear

[23:38:43]

Frosty-:

d

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** bagpuss_thecat used to work in a prestigious hi-fi shop in Glasgow **

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** bagpuss_thecat is biased :-/ **

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hnitsuj:

Bose acoustimass sound 'ok' – if i didn't have space I'd probably go for something similar – i.e. small satellites with a good well designed sub & controller

[23:40:02]

hnitsuj:

bagpuss_thecat: linn, quad & up eh ;)

[23:40:08]

bagpuss_thecat:

fnarrrrr

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hnitsuj:

MOAR?

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iamlindoro__:

As far as I'm concerned, from a musical background, there is only so much you can do with engineering-- principles of acoustics and resonance stop for now man-- you still need *size* for real high fidelity

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Aval0n:

http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=90399

[23:41:05]

hnitsuj:

preamp the size of an Aga, power amp the size of a car... hidden power switches.. :P

[23:41:07]

Aval0n:

that's the fronts

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iamlindoro__:

er no man

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hnitsuj:

heh flush-mountable bookshelf speakers

[23:42:42]

hnitsuj:

they'll prolly sound better than those matchboxes you've got now anyway

[23:43:26]

Aval0n:

so back to my original question

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Aval0n:

where do I put them :)

[23:43:35]

Aval0n:

that's why I link those pics hehehe

[23:43:37]

iamlindoro__:

thought I answered that...

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** bagpuss_thecat is aware of a big-time classical music producer who has a house in Arild, Sweden. Below the house is his music 'room', where the speakers are bolted to the bedrock... **

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iamlindoro__:

Is his name Bruce Wayne?

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro: really I only have 2 places

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hnitsuj:

placement? wouldn't put any speaker above you or you'll have to contend with reflections off the hard floor

[23:44:22]

iamlindoro__:

Does he prance around in costume at night?

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bagpuss_thecat:

having driven past the house, it is absolutely stunning

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hnitsuj:

placement will be er.. all over the place

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro: I can either put then right to the left and right of the TV

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hnitsuj:

bagpuss_thecat: yeah well if you get serious about music, get serious properly ;)

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Aval0n:

or where the old ones are

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** bagpuss_thecat can only wish :-) **

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Aval0n:

but they will face eachother that way

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iamlindoro__:

Aval0n: If you put them to the left and right of the TV then there's no point to three speakers up there at all

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Frosty-:

"In the Night Garden" is a master peice of childrens entertainment

[23:46:01]

iamlindoro__:

Since the three zones will all be one big mush

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hnitsuj:

being 90 degrees off axis to your ears is never a good place for speakers IMHO

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Aval0n:

right

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Aval0n:

hnitsuj: so I'm prett much just screwed

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hnitsuj:

if it's not really for music it might be ok...

[23:47:31]

Aval0n:

iamlindoro: would the center be better sitting on the entertainemnt center

[23:47:50]

iamlindoro__:

Depends, do you sit in a couch to watch?

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hnitsuj:

Aval0n: you need to look at flat panel speakers man

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Aval0n:

i dont have money to buy anything

[23:48:21]

Aval0n:

the inwalls were gifted

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hnitsuj:

tell your mrs to stop moaning then ;)

[23:48:41]

iamlindoro__:

Anyway, i guess my preference would be for a lot lower placement, as I personally would be sitting (and, for that matter, I'd bring the TV lower before your neck is permanently ouch-ed)

[23:48:52]

hnitsuj:

how long has the AV unit been uncluttered by nicknaks on the top?

[23:49:13]

Aval0n:

a long time

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hnitsuj:

and SWMBO is behind that? weird

[23:49:28]

Aval0n:

the tv is not that low

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Aval0n:

errr

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Aval0n:

that high

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Aval0n:

SWMBO?

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hnitsuj:

she who must be obeyed

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Aval0n:

heh

[23:50:05]

Aval0n:

it has 1 thing on it now

[23:50:10]

Aval0n:

a plate with 3 candles on it

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hnitsuj:

ideally the top of the display should meet your eye level

[23:50:21]

Aval0n:

yeah

[23:50:21]

hnitsuj:

Aval0n: it begins!

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TheAsp:

Is it possible to renumber tuners? My analog tuner is 1, my firewire is 5

[23:50:33]

Aval0n:

the reason I got a plasma is to keep it out of reach of the children

[23:50:42]

Aval0n:

which is why it is where it is

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iamlindoro__:

Aval0n: TV dead center should be directly in front of your eye level from the viewing position

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jduggan:

Aval0n: white walls a good idea with kids? =]

[23:51:03]

Aval0n:

they are no longer white

[23:51:04]

Aval0n:

:)

[23:51:05]

Aval0n:

they are tan

[23:51:07]

jduggan:

ah

[23:51:10]

jduggan:

nod

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hnitsuj:

jduggan: fantastic idea – they make great drawing surfaces!

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jduggan:

lol

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hnitsuj:

my rear surrounds are way too high up really, but there's no practical way to change that without putting them on stands behind the couch – and I'm against that

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hnitsuj:

they do the job of providing effects though, which is all they're really there for

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hnitsuj:

oh shit yeah Aval0n I forgot. in other parts of the world, internal walls are all dry line stuff

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** bagpuss_thecat resurrects his ipv6 links **

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hnitsuj:

all you need is a small knife

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Aval0n:

dry line?

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hnitsuj:

driwall

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Aval0n:

same here

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Aval0n:

this is all drywall

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hnitsuj:

try it in my house

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hnitsuj:

brick throughout

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Aval0n:

ahh

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hnitsuj:

1920s engineering :D

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro: so in wall from above would not work well eh?

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iamlindoro__:

Aval0n: You're kind damned no matter what thanks to your architecture

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Aval0n:

http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/S-8x73TGBxz . . . acement.html

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iamlindoro__:

kinda

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Aval0n:

look at that page you can see the in ceiling setup

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Dibblah:

Apparently, this is quite a good placement for speakers:

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Dibblah:

http://www.duffroomcorrection.com/wiki/Image:Cazeles4.jpg

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Aval0n:

lol

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hnitsuj:

Aval0n: thing is when you have hard floors there'll be reflections which'll diffuse the sound field a fair bit, effectively meaning less effective surround

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Aval0n:

i have a very large area rug in that room now

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hnitsuj:

and – in-wall speakers aren't in-ceiling speakers ;)

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