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Thursday, March 13th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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gruetzwurst:

i am using eit data and import with --file option some missing channel data i grab with vdr2xml, these import data are +1 hour

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gruetzwurst:

i think its cause mythfilldatabase think the times are in UTC, how can i mythfilldatabase tell to not add 1 hour, i am searching for the xml tv time offset option, but cannot find it in mythtv-setup nor in the database

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jams:

GreyFoxx- any idea what difference it makes if i declare the package a gift?

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GreyFoxx:

don't pay taxes on a gift :)

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directhex:

that's not neccessarily true

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directhex:

hm customs & excise tax gifts, fr'example

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jams:

then i suppose it's a gift

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sentinel23:

so why would myth be telling me that ALSA support isn't compiled in, when I'm pretty darn sure that it is?

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iamlindoro:

mythbackend --version will tell you for sure

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iamlindoro:

look for "using_alsa"

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iamlindoro:

If it ain't there, it ain't in there ;)

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sentinel23:

it's there http://pastebin.ca/940493

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iamlindoro:

Then it's there. :)

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iamlindoro:

]

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sentinel23:

lies. look now. http://pastebin.ca/940500

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sentinel23:

maybe it needs to be compiled into the frontend...?

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iamlindoro:

presumably there were compiled in the same compile :) But perhaps that's presumtuous

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iamlindoro:

(mythfrontend --version btw)

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sentinel23:

they were. but today i wiped them both out and installed packages, hoping to fix this problem. it didn't.

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sentinel23:

there must be something else going on

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iamlindoro:

yup

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sentinel23:

speaker-test works fine, so there is sound in the system

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Frosty-:

there is no harm in me renaming multirec cardinputs is there?

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Frosty-:

I like to have Card 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 etc.

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squish102:

how do i debug y my "manual enter" of imdb info is not working

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kormoc:

Manual enter of imdb where?

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Aval0n:

hey guys what's a good program that will scan your mp3 lib and properly name and id3 tag?

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kormoc:

I use musicbrainz for that sort of thing

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Aval0n:

linux?

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Aval0n:

or win

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squish102:

in the setup of the videos

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kormoc:

Aval0n, both

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squish102:

it used to work, but now that i have added some more videos, i have got the imdb number from the web, i enter it but it returns nothing

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kormoc:

Where? Mythfrontend? Mythweb? etc...

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Aval0n:

cool

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Aval0n:

ty

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squish102:

i think maybe i should get the svn copy, maybe imdb have changed something

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mkrufky:

im recording 10 shows simultaneously with four tuners 8-)

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nettow0822:

how

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nettow0822:

??

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mkrufky:

new mythtv 0.21

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GreyFoxx:

yeah multirec is sweet :)

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nettow0822:

ok...more

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** mkrufky very happy **

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mkrufky:

i dont care about _any_ of these shows — im just doing it because i can

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GreyFoxx:

nettow0822: if you have a dvb card you can record more than 1 channel per multiplex

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GreyFoxx:

so if you have 2 shows you want to record and they happen to be on the same multiplex it will only take 1 card to do it

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nettow0822:

i have .21...I don't know how

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GreyFoxx:

I record 8 at a time off my one QAM dvb card

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GreyFoxx:

but that's luck with how my cableco arranged the channels

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GreyFoxx:

all my main channels are on 1 multiplex

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mkrufky:

nettow0822: in mythtv-setup, go into the card's recording options, and set "max recordings" to be > 1

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iamlindoro__:

There's no assmebly required-- if you are using a digital tuner, and you set up a record of two channels on the same mux, they will only occupy one tuner

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iamlindoro__:

presuming you set up properly in mythtv-setup

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GreyFoxx:

and of course it's dvb card only

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mkrufky:

on my machine, looks like it tries to use separate tuners if it can... i'll have to look to see if there's a setting to get it to favor LESS tuners if possible

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directhex:

squish102, are you using 0.21?

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directhex:

squish102, iirc imdb is busted in 0.20.2

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directhex:

bedstime!

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GreyFoxx:

squish102: Have you tried your dsm-320 with 0.21 ?

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squish102:

GreyFoxx, im on mythbuntu and a little scared to do anything that is not packaged by them, i've broken mythtv WAY too many times on my own

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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GreyFoxx:

before 0.21 cdev tested his dsm-510/520 and it worked fine

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GreyFoxx:

so I was curious if your 320 would would too

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squish102:

that is good news

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squish102:

maybe i could set up another machine and try it

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squish102:

now i have to quickly sort out another problem where the recording seems to have dissapeared! (this is when my wife wanted to watch it!)

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iamlindoro__:

squish102: .21 is in teh Mythbuntu repos

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squish102:

iamlindoro__ can i apt-get it?

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iamlindoro__:

I would think

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iamlindoro__:

It may be enough to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade

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iamlindoro__:

If you see the mythtv package in the list of what it's trying to upgrade, odds are it's .21 :)

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iamlindoro__:

But I know for sure that it's in their repos

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** iamlindoro__ curses the shit releases coming out in HD formats **

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GreyFoxx:

I want Transformers

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GreyFoxx:

That's when I'm gonna run out and buy a ps3 or something

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iamlindoro__:

The only HD material I'm looking forward to right now is Firefly coming back on Universal HD next month

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GreyFoxx:

the TV series ? Or Serenity ?

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iamlindoro__:

Now that I've got the mythtranscode issue solved I can archive 'em poifectly

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iamlindoro__:

TV Series

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GreyFoxx:

Cool

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iamlindoro__:

I've got the movie off HD-DVD

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iamlindoro__:

But since there's no HD Disk format of the show, only way to get them in HD is Uni HD

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GreyFoxx:

I decided to not bother encoding or ripping my DVD's

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iamlindoro__:

especially since Fox telecast them originally in 480p

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GreyFoxx:

getting a 200disk dvd changer

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iamlindoro__:

Cool, and save the space for when HD formats mature a bit/ripping/playing them gets easy?

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GreyFoxx:

pretty much

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iamlindoro__:

Did jams pick it up for you? That 1 was actually in stock?

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GreyFoxx:

he got 2 of them

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iamlindoro__:

nice, lucky you

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GreyFoxx:

1 for me and a coworker

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iamlindoro__:

yeah, I read that a bit earlier

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GreyFoxx:

yeah! should be fun

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iamlindoro__:

FYI there appears to be a libaacs in progress

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GreyFoxx:

cause now I need to look at making it work "smoothlY" with myth

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iamlindoro__:

once that comes together it should get a lot easier

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Aval0n:

kormoc did you use something for free from musicbrainz?

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Aval0n:

magic mp3 tagger is 23 bux to register

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kormoc:

Aval0n, Classic Tagger works well for windows and is free

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Aval0n:

hm ok

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Aval0n:

thanks

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: I've got one of those too... I don't have it connected at the moment though... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: It's pretty easy to control using 'mtx'...

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

Currently deciding if I should use external app/scripts for disk changing or directly integrated to myth

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: I was thinking of someday making a myth plugin for it, but I don't really have the time to do that... I'm getting old, and time has accelerated about 100% since I was 20...

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, guess that's the advantage of the devs getting fun toys

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iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A: Hear you guys have been getting plenty of rain

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GreyFoxx:

what I'd love is mythvideo popping up a "I see you added a new DVD to the archive, would you like to s4earch IMDB for info on it?" screen if I put a disk in the unit

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro__: Yeah, and a few hours of 'wintery mix' today too... My sidewalk was ice today when I left the house in the morning...

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, I've been scared of those changers from all the stories I've heard of them mangling disks...

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: Its definately a risk

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: ooh, that's nice. I haven't popped a dvd in my myth system lately...

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Aval0n:

wow classic tagger is much much slower :)

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Aval0n:

guess you can't complain for free though :)

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jams:

kormoc- not saying the stories are not true, but mine was so far been mangle free

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J-e-f-f-A:

I think the key is to not move the unit if you've got DVD's loaded...

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kormoc:

jamesd, well, that's good to know

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kormoc:

whoos

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kormoc:

*whoops

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, hrm, how does it load/unload?

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Cackette:

hi

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: slot loaded, one slot at a time...

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Cackette:

Could not create a symlink to /var/lib/mythtv/videos, the local MythVideo directory for this hostname (htpc). Please create a symlink to your MythVideo directory at data/video in order to use the video portions of MythWeb.

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Cackette:

How do I do that?

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kormoc:

wow, harsh for 200 disks

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GreyFoxx:

It'll take longer to imdb the info than to load the discs into the machine

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: IE: one slot on the front, and you have to issue a command to the changer to position the slot and open the door to load it...

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kormoc:

Cackette, it's likely a permissions problem. Your apache user can't enter/access /var/lib/mythtv/videos

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Cackette:

It happened after the update manager updated a bunch of myth files

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm I gotta get the screenshot patch out of my local tree before it gets stale

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jams:

GreyFoxx- plan on having it stream the dvd ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: GreyFoxx BTW – it's a DVD Writer too... so that's a plus... so GreyFoxx, we need MythArchive integration too... ;-)

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GreyFoxx:

you mean to remote frontends

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GreyFoxx:

>?

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jams:

yes

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jams:

i don't want a bulky dvd changer under the tv =)

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Arfdee:

hi friends

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Arfdee:

plz help, mythweb stopped working on today's upgrade of rpms for myth

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Arfdee:

says do not have access to that dir on server

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GreyFoxx:

honestly I hadn't thought of it, but with the talk of getting Storagegroups working for mythvideo, it could be it's own DVD storageground and stream via the mythprotocol with no extra code needed except for changing disks

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Arfdee:

"You don't have permission to access /mythweb/ on this server"

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GreyFoxx:

so, yeah, ultimately streaming will be a goal

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jams:

cool

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kormoc:

Arfdee, so fix the permissions on the files or file a bug upstream to get them to fix it in their packages

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mkrufky:

Arfdee: probably you just have to replace your mythweb.conf file in /etc/httpd , or /etc/apache or whatever

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Arfdee:

mkrufky, this just happened with today's new rpms. so the .conf file is probably buggy?

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jams:

i'm sure you will come up with lots of ideas once the box shows up

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, I keep meaning to ask how hard it is for a plug-in to extend/add mythproto commands?

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mkrufky:

Arfdee: using fedora?

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Arfdee:

yes sir

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mkrufky:

Arfdee: cp /var/www/html/mythweb/mythweb.conf.apache /etc/httpd/conf.d/mythweb.conf

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mkrufky:

but back up the old one first

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Arfdee:

mkrufky, do i need to restart httpd?

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mkrufky:

yes

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Arfdee:

mkrufky, eek

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mkrufky:

Arfdee: read /var/www/html/mythweb/INSTALL

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: At the moment there really isn't a easy way for a plugin to do it

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Arfdee:

mkrufky, this was all installed and usable:O

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Arfdee:

the requested URL /mythweb.php/mythweb" was not found on this server

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Arfdee:

after copying the file you said

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mkrufky:

read the install file, Arfdee — it tells you the rest of what you must do to finish

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, Sad. With the idea of storage groups for videos and the like, really the backend should be the thing doing the scanning and returning what it finds to the fe/mythweb for what to do, but it seems silly to write that sort of thing into mythproto unless the plugin is active

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mkrufky:

Arfdee: basically, all you have to do after that is edit /etc/httpd/conf.d/mythweb.conf to make it right for your system

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Arfdee:

weird

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Arfdee:

the old one onlyhad this

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Arfdee:

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Arfdee:

Options FollowSymLinks

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Arfdee:

AllowOverride All

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Arfdee:

</Directory>

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Arfdee:

mkrufky, is that all your one has?

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mkrufky:

you should use a pastebin rather than pasting in the channel, Arfdee

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Arfdee:

got it, thx

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mkrufky:

u go tit?

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Arfdee:

yeah, i don't know what happened to the old file

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Arfdee:

thx sir

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mkrufky:

you're welcome :-)

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Arfdee:

bye

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GreyFoxx:

Ok, screenshot stuff commited

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GreyFoxx:

1 less patch to remember to keep up to date

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squish102:

with all my excitment on getting 0.21 on my system, i lost the information about something like taking a dvb card and recording 2 shows at the same time?

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squish102:

or was i smoking something?

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Anduin:

multirec, it is there

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squish102:

great looking into it now, i have deleted and re-added the card

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Anduin:

squish102: The "channels" need to be on the same multiplex, and you device needs to support it (basically multiple pid passing)

[02:30:08]

Anduin:

squish102: There should be a setting in mythtv-setup that sets the maximum number of recorders for the card

[02:30:11]

squish102:

ok, dunno how to figure out if the channels are on the same multiplex

[02:30:30]

squish102:

and im currently looking for that setting

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Anduin:

squish102: The easiest way is to look at the DB, sometime is it guessable, and Live TV will tell you when switching.

[02:31:00]

iamlindoro__:

Tuner card setup, in a button called something like Recording Settings, first option

[02:31:11]

iamlindoro__:

(to set max recordings on your card, that is)

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squish102:

iamlindoro__ got it set to 2

[02:31:40]

iamlindoro__:

yep, that's the default

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squish102:

so to test would be to try record 2 things?

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iamlindoro__:

Well, two things on the same mux

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DustyBin:

think twice before you spend £££££££ on expensive cables

[02:32:16]

DustyBin:

http://consumerist.com/362926/do-coat-hangers . . . nster-cables

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squish102:

iamlindoro__ that is the confusing part, because i have nfc what "mux" is or how to tell that they on the same

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iamlindoro__:

mux is a bouquet of channels transmitted on one frequency

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squish102:

but i can with trial and error probably work it out

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iamlindoro__:

and the easiest way to check is probably in mythweb channel editor, they will have the same freqid

[02:33:51]

iamlindoro__:

if they have the same sourceid # and the same freqid, they are on the same mux

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squish102:

oh ok

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iamlindoro__:

In the US you can usually fit two HD (network) channels on one frequency, or many more SD ones

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iamlindoro__:

so for me, ABC and NBC are on one, FOX and CBS on another, CW and PBS on another

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iamlindoro__:

and for the little random SD stuff, tI have up to 11 on them

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iamlindoro__:

er I have

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Freman:

hmh, mytharchive dies with an I/O error

[02:36:03]

Freman:

I'm not using the latest trunk, nore am I using the Monitor hardware setting

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squish102:

iamlindoro__ looks like none of my HD are on the same mux, and only 2 SD channels :(

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iamlindoro__:

bummer

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squish102:

anyone else on timewarner cable have any luck?

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iamlindoro__:

squish102: It's not going to be per-company, it's going to be per-headend

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iamlindoro__:

channels will get muxed differently on every single headend

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squish102:

oh ok, thanks

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Freman:

heh, it burnt the dvd – it just died from an i/o error also

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Aval0n:

what does the C mean in program guide

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kormoc:

conflict

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Aval0n:

ahh

[02:43:34]

Aval0n:

i don't see anything else it's conflicting with

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Aval0n:

it's from 7–8

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kormoc:

Well, I could be wrong, check the wiki

[02:43:55]

Aval0n:

and american idol starts 7:58

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Aval0n:

is that why

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kormoc:

that would be why, yes

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Aval0n:

no it is for conflict

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Aval0n:

that's lame

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Aval0n:

that's a 2 minutes different

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Aval0n:

difference =/

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kormoc:

so tell american idol to start later

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kormoc:

or the other show to end earlier

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iamlindoro__:

This is when multirec is bitchin' ;)

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Aval0n:

unless they aren't on the same mux

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iamlindoro__:

indeed

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kormoc:

you'd be more pissed if it just cut recordings earlier without you telling it to

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iamlindoro__:

and that's when lots of tuners is bitchin' ;)

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Aval0n:

true

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Aval0n:

arrg

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iamlindoro__:

My best friend from grad school's brother was in the top 16

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iamlindoro__:

(I don't watch the show)

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iamlindoro__:

but got eliminated last week

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Aval0n:

my boss's friends daugher is in the top 12

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Aval0n:

from mesa arizona

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Aval0n:

that skinny blonde

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Aval0n:

sarah

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Aval0n:

I think

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iamlindoro__:

I don't watch

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Aval0n:

i do

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Aval0n:

my wife forces me to

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Aval0n:

lol

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iamlindoro__:

suuuure she does

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Aval0n:

lol

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** Aval0n smacks iamlindoro **

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iamlindoro__:

Settle down, Sanjaya

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Aval0n:

omg

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** kormoc blinks **

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Anduin:

I bet they get a good percentage of their audience that way.

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kormoc:

someone needs some trancs...

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Aval0n:

korc: me?

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Aval0n:

err kormoc

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squish102:

kinda wierd, i have encoder 5, encoder 7 and encoder 8, and i only have a pvr150 and a ati HD tuner?

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iamlindoro__:

squish102: You deleted cards without deleting all-- it doesn't reset the numbers unless you delete all and recreate them

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iamlindoro__:

It's not harm

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iamlindoro__:

er no

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squish102:

ok, but 3 encoders, but only 2 tuner cards... should i be changing that HD tuner to 1 as i have no channels on same mux?

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Anduin:

squish102: Multirec would do that (for 3)

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iamlindoro__:

Yep, your Digital tuner x 2 for multirec

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iamlindoro__:

If you had set it to 4 simultaneous recordings, you would also have encoders 9 and 10 right now

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squish102:

ok, i guess i should change back to 1 otherwise it is gonna get confused

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iamlindoro__:

*it* won't get confused--- you might

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squish102:

lol

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iamlindoro__:

It knows 7 and 8 are the same device and that they're conflicts if they're not on the same mux

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squish102:

oh wow

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iamlindoro__:

I have 2 ATSC tuners x 4 simultaneous recordings on each and two firewire STBs... 10 encoders, but myth handles it all transparently

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iamlindoro__:

If it can't find a way to work, it'll call it a conflict, but if it can... well, it's pretty smart about working it out

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ServerSage:

Ever since I upgraded to .21, I'm seeing jittery bahavior during playback along lines of contrast. Example, if there is a red box on a dark blackground, the lines of the box will kind of flicker.

[03:03:36]

ServerSage:

I have tried different types of blending, and even bumped up to cpu++ playback.

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squish102:

my playback has pushed my machine to a load of 6 on Xorg and jittery :( time to fix again

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squish102:

wierd, i think mythvideo didnt go up to 0.21 in mythbuntu

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Anduin:

squish102: someone on the ml had the nightly builds and backports repos enabled and noticed something similar.

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squish102:

i have backports enabled

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Anduin:

apparently backports "just" got 0.21, don't know exactly when that was (I don't Ubuntu)

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squish102:

ok, i "fixed" it... just not sure what i did :)

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anenigma:

i'm in australia, and i've got a nova-t dvb-t card. it's run fine in my old system for ~3–4 years now. today i'm moving to a new mythserver with more storage space. i've got the modules compiled+loaded, and firmware loads fine. i can use scan (dvbscan in gentoo for me) and it finds all 25 public aussie dvb broadcasts. however, i can't seem to get myth to find any of these, even if i specify all of the details (freq/qam/inversio

[03:34:59]

anenigma:

i've also got a complete channels.conf but again, myth can't seem to import it. mythtv-setup reports "Imported channel: 831 -1 on <freqs etc etc>"

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anenigma:

also just checked with 'zap -channels channels.conf "TEN Digital"' and it locks on pretty fast.

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anenigma:

http://pastebin.com/m5c6b33e4 <-- log file from mythtv-setup with -v all, snipped taken during a scan. seems to me like scanning is successful but it's something else i've broken

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venger:

anenigma, if the frontend is a seperate server did you make sure the versions match in case there's a compatibility issue. you could always use something like mysql-navigator as well and browse your channel tables and make sure the data is there. just a couple of ideas

[03:54:54]

venger:

or i guess you could have meant that a myth scan doesn't find any of them

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anenigma:

venger: this is just on the backend still. mythbackend itself isn't running, i'm just using mythtv-setup

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anenigma:

however, i have realised that i'm running 0.20 still, so i'm gonna try 0.21 i think

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venger:

i suppose you could but god forbid you invite playback issues when you do your frontend(s)

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venger:

although, i would think if you are setting up on the backend it needs to be running in order to update the database with the channel information, no?

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iamlindoro__:

no

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iamlindoro__:

backend shouldn't be running at any time in mythtv-setup

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anenigma:

nup

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anenigma:

it even warns if you try to run backend while mythtv-setup runs

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anenigma:

anyway, my other frontends are already running 0.21, so it should be ok on that end

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anenigma:

i forgot to enable testing for the myth packages on my new system

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anenigma:

ok, 0.21 is looking better, it's got channels :)

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anenigma:

it has 7, ABC and Ten. No channel Nine yet

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anenigma:

and no sbs

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MrUnagi:

i wish i could figure my tuner out.......

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MrUnagi:

i keep hearing 2 things, it half works and it doesnt work

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anenigma:

odd. i get segmentation faults from mythtv-setup if i specify the details for channel 9

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anenigma:

ok. specify transport and Nine shows up. that'll be close enough to working for me

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sshirley:

OMG!!!!

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sshirley:

I just upgraded from 0.20 to 0.21 and my system is all messed up!

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** DavoDinkum is not surprised. **

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sshirley:

MythVideo won't run and LiveTV is all choppy

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DavoDinkum:

oh is that all

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sshirley:

Plus other stuff. :-)

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DavoDinkum:

you made it sound like it didnt boot or something

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sshirley:

But those are the 2 most important things

[05:39:34]

sshirley:

Of course playback of recordings is choppy too

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sshirley:

I use Mythbuntu. I went to update and all other updates had a check by them but I couldn't check MythVideo (it wouldn't allow itself to be clicked)

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sshirley:

I would REALLY like to know how to put it back

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DavoDinkum:

This channel is usually much more active

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sshirley:

Yes, it is

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DavoDinkum:

I think it'll pick up in about 3 hours.

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sshirley:

I wish it was active now. :-( I gotta go to bed.

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Anduin:

sshirley: There was an Ubuntu related post to the ml hours ago about a difference between repos

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sshirley:

Do you have a url?

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Anduin:

sshirley: No, I actually get the e-mails, the summary is that backports recently got 0.21, apparently making it possible for a mixed install with nightly.

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Anduin:

(probably summarizing poorly, I don't Ubuntu)

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Anduin:

sshirley: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . ring;#322620

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sshirley:

Yes, I used the backport repository to get 0.21. Ugh.

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sshirley:

Thanks, Anduin! That might fix it!

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ServerSage:

Oh please oh please oh please somebody tell me how to stop the jittery playback before I go insane. It only happens with TV Recordings (both those recorded using .20 and news ones recorded with .21), but not with videos. It seems to be a de-interlacing problem (jitteryness is on edges of 2 contrasting colors). I have tried all the different blending methods though with no change.

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ServerSage:

I'm at wits end with it. My wife told me she was going to start beating me again if I didn't make it go away. Hehe.

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sshirley:

ServerSage: I am having issues with that too (but only after I switched to 0.21)!

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ServerSage:

sshirley: I guess missery loves company. Hehe.

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ServerSage:

sshirley: I assume you have not found a reason or solution though?

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sshirley:

SS: What distro are you using?

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ServerSage:

Gentoo

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sshirley:

Ok, I don't know about Gentoo.....but can you check to see what version of mythvideo you have installed?

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sshirley:

plus the version of all the other packages?

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ServerSage:

sshirley: p16468 (from SVN)

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sshirley:

SS: Hmmmm....I don't know. Meaning do you have libmyth-0.21 but MythVideo 0.20.2?

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ServerSage:

sshirley: Mythvideo doesn't factor in since it's not videos that have the problem. It's recordings.

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pembo13_com:

is it `mythfilldatabase --do_channel_updates` or `mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates`

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tank-man:

mythfilldatabase --help

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tank-man:

:)

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pembo13_com:

tank-man, yah, had already started the command when i realsied there was an alternate form

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tjcarter:

Sceptre 1080p 42" $800 after rebate and S&H.. By May, that sort of thing will be $6–700 I'm convinced.

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pembo13_com:

iamlindoro__, ping

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waini:

hi

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waini:

is there an german user?

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xris:

waini: try #mythtv-de

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waini:

no german user inside? (mythtv-de also no success)

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waini:

is there an german user?

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tjcarter:

apparently not now.

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** tjcarter knows some German, but none of it polite.. **

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hnitsuj:

probably worth asking questions anyway then....

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waini:

i have a question to the freq and sid of an premiere feed-channel

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waini:

but if there is no german user ...

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hnitsuj:

heh good point

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waini:

?

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hnitsuj:

well, anybody outside Germany is unlikely to be able to help

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hnitsuj:

though I would suggest trying the dvb scanning tools to see if you can find it... or if it's a satellite channel, look at www.lyngsat.com

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waini:

i see some eit-data – but i can not get a picture

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waini:

is it possible, that eit data will be linked to a wrong channel?

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waini:

(evtl wrong mplexid or sid))

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hnitsuj:

with European DVB, anything can happen

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waini:

^^

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hnitsuj:

what they call the 'standard' could not be further from reality in some cases

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waini:

why?

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hnitsuj:

almost every broadcaster strays from the dvb standard and does things which are perculiar to their own network

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hnitsuj:

are you saying that you can get all the channels you should be able to get apart from one – Premiere?

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hnitsuj:

if I remember correctly Premiere is a pay tv channel – do you have a CAM & a valid viewing card for it?

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mchou_:

porr guys

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mchou_:

upgrading with no back up

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mchou_:

that's gotta be the shits

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hnitsuj:

0.21 attempts to make a backup of the db

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** tjcarter is using svn of a few weeks ago, fears an update **

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mchou_:

so why are all these people crying?

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tjcarter:

it's probably more safe to use current svn than what I have.

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hnitsuj:

though there's a nifty problem reared its head (now fixed) which can affect people who've ostensibly done nothing wrong

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tjcarter:

I have something from about 2 weeks after multirec merge

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tjcarter:

scary shit, I tell you ;)

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mchou_:

hnitsuj: which problem you referring to?

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hnitsuj:

mchou_: the db schema update failure bug

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mchou_:

heh

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hnitsuj:

happens when there's more than one entry per hostname for recordfileprefix in the settings table

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hnitsuj:

now fixed but it might take a while for packages to catch up

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mchou_:

sigh....

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mchou_:

tired of crappy HW

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mchou_:

well, more specifically crappy firmware

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mchou_:

makes hacking tough

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justdave:

hmm... finally getting around to looking at the 0.21 update...

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justdave:

protocol change, too

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mchou_:

justdave: dont look too hard.....:)

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justdave:

which means I have to upgrade all of the frontends, too, right?

[08:12:18]

justdave:

the server with the tuners is linux, got two linux FEs and two OS X FEs

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justdave:

which means I have to try to chase down an OS X build of 0.21

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mchou_:

dont upgrade them all at once

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justdave:

I thought if the protocol changed, the FEs wouldn't talk to the BE anymore

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mchou_:

not unless you want no TV for a few weeks :)

[08:13:55]

justdave:

I remember having that problem when I had a trunk build on one of the OS X boxes a while back, it refused to connect, claiming a protocol mismatch

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justdave:

what, TV is broken?

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mchou_:

let's just say a few pople are unpleasantly surprised

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mchou_:

people*

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mchou_:

look at the channel logs and you'll know what I mean

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mchou_:

crap

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mchou_:

this HW is really tweaking my chain

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mchou_:

RTP doesnt seem to want to connect

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justdave:

is it the jitter thing?

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mchou_:

justdave: that's one of them

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justdave:

if it's actually a deinterlace issue, might not affect me, because that would be an HD thing, right? All my TV is SD

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justdave:

The main unit is hooked up to an HDTV, but all my HD stuff gets run through MythVideo. :)

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** justdave skims through the mailing list archives **

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Thomas-:

Hmm with multirec is there an option to list all channels instead of just the ones on the same mux when you browse channels using the up/down buttons when you are recording something on that card? (guide still works fine, but not browsing (unless you change input card)

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Dibblah:

Thomas-: Nope. Nit currently.

[08:31:39]

Dibblah:

Not currently, even.

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Thomas-:

Dibblah: ok, thanks

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Dibblah:

It's recognised as a problem by the relevant devs – But is not exactly simple to fix.

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Thomas-:

another thing to try to explain to the girlfriend :)

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Dibblah:

Train to use the guide. :(

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Thomas-:

yeah

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Thomas-:

guide rocks anyway

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hnitsuj:

heh I didn't know the guide had that limitation. that's another black circle to put against using live tv! :D

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Thomas-:

not the guide, just the browsing (while your watching livetv)

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Thomas-:

but agreed, livetv sucks :)

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hnitsuj:

live tv is so 20th century :)

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justdave:

my kids use live TV every morning for about an hour before school.

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justdave:

the after-school watching is all recorded stuff though

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justdave:

because they're usually still doing homework when the stuff they want to watch actually airs. :)

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Davo_Dinkum:

could mythtv be used for AM/FM radio?

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hnitsuj:

I don't know whether to laugh or not. AM radio, in the same room as a PC?

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hnitsuj:

what's that funny whistling noise all over the band? ahh try turning off the computer

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hnitsuj:

anyway radio has been done (badly) before – what it'd really need is a new recording class coded up – one just for audio

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hnitsuj:

of course you'd still only be able to make manual recordings since radio guide data is erm.. thin on the ground to say the least

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hnitsuj:

we're somewhat spoiled in Europe because we have DVB radio :D which works pretty much the same way as DVB TV

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Davo_Dinkum:

so, to summarise, AM radio causes interference and is highly unsuitable being used near PC equipment, yes?

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hnitsuj:

infact I use mythtv for radio recording as much as I do for TV. record radio programmes, convert them to mp3 as a user job & listen to them in the car on the way to work. well I did when I had a car with an mp3 capability :(

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Davo_Dinkum:

What about FM?

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hnitsuj:

Davo_Dinkum: yeah but with an external AM aerial you should be ok – but not many receivers have that – not to mention there are virtually no tuner cards which do AM

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Davo_Dinkum:

ok

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hnitsuj:

FM reception is possible with an external aerial but again mythtv lacks an audio-only recording class

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hnitsuj:

in theory it wouldn't be hard for somebody with the ability to code it though

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Davo_Dinkum:

hmm

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hnitsuj:

mythfm was the old 3rd party radio plugin, and it stayed unofficial because the developer wasn't willing to listen to the core devs & integrate it better – at least that's what I heard

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Davo_Dinkum:

:/ bummer

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Davo_Dinkum:

intergrated FM radio would be nice

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Dibblah:

Well, it wasn't at all integrated.

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Dibblah:

No way to record.

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Dibblah:

No way to schedule.

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sinthetek:

i recently upgraded my mythtv installation and now it seems the picture is shakey on & off

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sinthetek:

it seems to occur more when watching recordings and certain channels live and when the osd is dispalying

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sinthetek:

any idea what settings i could check/modify to adjust the picture to fix this?

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justdave:

HD or SD?

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sinthetek:

sd == regular, right? :P

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Dibblah:

And what's your new version?

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Dibblah:

And capture source...

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sinthetek:

atsc/regular cable

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sinthetek:

one sec

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justdave:

yeah, sd == standard def

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sinthetek:

0.21_p16483

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sinthetek:

using hauppauge pvr150

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justdave:

only reason I was asking is I was contemplating upgrading, and was advised I might want to hold off for now because of things like that

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justdave:

some of the other reports I'd seen sounded like it might have been HD only, and all my tv stuff is SD

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sinthetek:

ahh, yeah, this is SD. i'm thinking probably just a weird setting change caused it. right after the upgrade the hue and saturation changed as well which i had to reset

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justdave:

will an 0.21 front end talk to an 0.20 back end?

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sinthetek:

and it looks like maybe some of the channel listings disappeared though not completely sure on that one. plus it could be related to the db schema change rather than mythtv itself

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justdave:

I can upgrade one of the front ends with less damage if anything goes wrong

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justdave:

but if it won't talk to the back end then there's no point. :)

[09:18:31]

sinthetek:

not sure, front and backends are packaged together with my distro :P

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sinthetek:

s/packaged/compiled i guess

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Puhi:

you can't mix 0.20 and 0.21

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Puhi:

database schemas differ and you'll get an error

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mchou_:

Davo_Dinkum: if you want to record fm radio check out kradio. excellent program

[09:44:24]

mchou_:

Davo_Dinkum: however, dont use it on the same cards that's already assigned to myth

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directhex|work:

that's not news. myth versions have never been cross-compatible

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mchou_:

cause it will cause contention

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Davo_Dinkum:

contention?

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directhex|work:

even a single version bump in the protocol is enough to make it sad

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Davo_Dinkum:

I really wanted something that would intergrate with mythtv

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mchou_:

Davo_Dinkum: bah. Too much trouble

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Davo_Dinkum:

*integrate

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Davo_Dinkum:

Is it? the devs managed to get tv working

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mchou_:

conflict resolution is bad enough as it is in myth

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directhex|work:

dvb-t radio!

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mchou_:

Davo_Dinkum: come on dude.

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Davo_Dinkum:

what?

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mchou_:

what's the prupose of integration when other goot programs already exist?

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mchou_:

good*

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sid3windr:

mchou_: ehh, integration.

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sid3windr:

:)

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sid3windr:

(what else)

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mchou_:

save you $15 on a frigging radio card?

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mchou_:

wtf

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Davo_Dinkum:

so it's part of mythtv and i can control it with a remote

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mchou_:

ingrates

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mchou_:

you can control kradio with a frigging remote

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Davo_Dinkum:

but id have to close mythtv

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mchou_:

close??

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mchou_:

wtf??

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Davo_Dinkum:

or put it in the background

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mchou_:

ever heard of ALT_TAB?

[09:48:36]

Davo_Dinkum:

calm down

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mchou_:

trust me, you havent seen me riled up yet

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Davo_Dinkum:

my point is that intergration is pretty much essential for a pc that's solely a mythtv box

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mchou_:

Davo_Dinkum: instead of complaining maybe you ought to "integrate" kradio into myth

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mchou_:

Davo_Dinkum: you have no point

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mchou_:

there is no such thing as pc that's solely a myth box

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mchou_:

every linux has some sort of console running

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Davo_Dinkum:

well it's only used for mythtv

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mchou_:

you get rid of that, maybe then that's a dedicated myth box

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mchou_:

Davo_Dinkum: wtf are you, a windoze luser?

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Dibblah:

"what's the purpose of integration"?

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mchou_:

Davo_Dinkum: get with the unix philosophy

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Dibblah:

Err... Well, the mythical convergence box...?

[09:52:45]

mchou_:

small proggies with pipes :)

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Dibblah:

mchou_: That's why Myth is monolithic, then?

[09:53:17]

mchou_:

even myth subscribes somewhat to that philosophy

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Dibblah:

"How do I change to use mplayer to output my video"...

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mchou_:

haha, exactly :)

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** sid3windr sighs **

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Dibblah:

Radio absolutely should be integrated.

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mchou_:

lol

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Dibblah:

Not as in a "radio" item in the main menu – That's silly.

[09:55:48]

Dibblah:

As in treated the same as DVB radio.

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mchou_:

since there is such unanimous concensus you should get cracking

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Dibblah:

Schedulable, timeshiftable, ...

[09:56:20]

Dibblah:

I would, if I cared about it and could code worth a damn ;)

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directhex|work:

who's volunteering to code it in?

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mchou_:

Dibblah: nobody stopping you from doing it

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directhex|work:

i didn't know anyone still used FM by choice, anyway

[09:56:53]

Dibblah:

Exactly. That's where the 'care' bit comes in.

[09:56:59]

directhex|work:

especially given dvb-t radio already works fine

[09:57:46]

Davo_Dinkum:

I'm guessing none of you are in Australia, where FM radio is king and DVB radio has only 2 stations.

[09:58:45]

Dibblah:

Nope. But if you do, then get coding! ;)

[09:58:53]

Davo_Dinkum:

heh

[09:59:01]

Davo_Dinkum:

What languages will I need?

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mchou_:

If you need to ask you dont have skiilz

[09:59:33]

mchou_:

skills*

[10:00:01]

Davo_Dinkum:

I'm just asking out of interest.

[10:00:31]

directhex|work:

c++

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mchou_:

Davo_Dinkum: use the source, luke

[10:00:36]

Dibblah:

C++ / QT / profanity.

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directhex|work:

myth is all about the c++

[10:00:50]

directhex|work:

stupid qt

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Davo_Dinkum:

QT for kradio? or does mythtv use it as well?

[10:01:06]

Dibblah:

You'll need more profanity than C++.

[10:01:21]

mchou_:

myth and kradio both use QT

[10:01:34]

** Dibblah detects that Davo_Dinkum hasn't actually looked at the source for long ;) **

[10:01:45]

mchou_:

Dibblah: you think?

[10:01:57]

Davo_Dinkum:

I was studying it all last week I swear.

[10:02:26]

mchou_:

study my ass

[10:02:35]

Dibblah:

No thanks...

[10:03:15]

mchou_:

Dibblah: you might learn some good coding techniques :)

[10:03:42]

Dibblah:

From your ass?

[10:04:00]

Davo_Dinkum:

...

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mchou_:

Dibblah: strangers things have been know to transpire :)

[10:04:18]

Dibblah:

This isn't helping, is it?

[10:04:45]

mchou_:

you won't know until you study

[10:05:11]

Dibblah:

mchou_: I do have a couple of trivial patches in trunk...

[10:05:21]

mchou_:

bah

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mchou_:

that's not coding

[10:05:38]

mchou_:

any fool can patch

[10:05:41]

Dibblah:

And do know my way around the source well enough.

[10:05:51]

sid3windr:

yes, because code is not patches!

[10:05:53]

** sid3windr rolls eyes **

[10:05:58]

directhex|work:

i don't think i have anything in trunk anymore. it's all been rewritten since then

[10:06:00]

mchou_:

Dibblah: so what the hell are you waiting for?

[10:06:21]

Dibblah:

A time when I care about radio integration?

[10:06:47]

mchou_:

Dibblah: you apparantly care enough to make a point of it

[10:07:23]

Dibblah:

Sure – Because people are talking about wasting their time trying to add a menu entry for kradio.

[10:07:36]

mchou_:

who mentioned that?

[10:08:04]

mchou_:

iirc you're the only one who mentioned that

[10:08:28]

Dibblah:

Meh. Okay. I'm going to stop arguing now :)

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Frosty-:

I have an error in logs of "PESPacket: Failed CRC check 0xa101402 != 0xca3d9fdb for StreamID = 0x70"

[10:15:09]

Frosty-:

a wc-l for a grep of the error returns 23000+ entries in 5 hours

[10:15:15]

hnitsuj:

Frosty-: not a problem. EIT packet corruption

[10:15:23]

Frosty-:

ok, ta

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Frosty-:

Also, with multirec enabled, 2 virtual tuners per tuner (2 real tuners, so 4 in total) .. it is currently recording on Encoder 4, and it picks Encoder 3 to watch LiveTV so is restricted to only that multiplex

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hnitsuj:

ahh live tv . so 20th century

[10:19:07]

tjcarter:

live what?

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jduggan:

lol

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mchou_:

I just dont understand why people feel the need to watch livetv with myth, of all things

[10:20:17]

jduggan:

well i sorta do

[10:20:30]

mchou_:

you TV has a goddamn tuner.

[10:20:37]

mchou_:

use it or lose it

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mchou_:

your*

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jduggan:

if all your tuners/broadcast feeds go into myth... changing channel without using myth might screw up some recordings

[10:21:04]

jduggan:

im talking as a cable stb user

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mchou_:

lol

[10:21:30]

mchou_:

that's precisely why you should use the TV's tuner

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jduggan:

i have a feed into myth and a feed into my tv tuner.. but i dont want to go manually changing channels on the stb incase i screw up some recordings that i forget were happening

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mchou_:

and not any other damn tuner

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hnitsuj:

it's funny, but I bet none of the developers sit for hours on end channel surfing when there are better things to do :)

[10:22:20]

jduggan:

i dont channel surf – but if there's something on that im free and available to watch, i watch it as its broadcast

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hnitsuj:

very rare that happens in my house

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jduggan:

for example – football

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hnitsuj:

pleh

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jduggan:

yea, its rare for me, but it does happen

[10:23:15]

hnitsuj:

bunch of overpaid nancies kicking a ball around

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hnitsuj:

(when they're not feigning injury that is)

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Frosty-:

god my daughter has figured out how to open the drawer, my house isn't safe!

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directhex|work:

put a live cobra in there

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** hnitsuj larts stupid insurance companies whose sites won't work with firefox properly **

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bigtone:

My mythtv just got upgraded to 0.21 courtesy of gutsy-backports, and now my image is very "distorted" – screenshot here: http://show.simpload.com/031347d907fc9f72f.png?server=s3 . In 0.20.x and older I had to use the #define USE_ATI_PROPRIETARY_DRIVER_XVIDEO_HACK referenced at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI_Prop . . . Wrong_colors (for the smurf effect), and so I did the equivalent database settings entry, but no change

[10:57:34]

bigtone:

anyone got any clues?

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directhex|work:

atitastic

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directhex|work:

it's a long shot, but could you try using the opengl renderer?

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bigtone:

the radeon driver instead of fglrx?

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ukachaka:

hi, does anyone actually using wireless cameras with mythtv?

[11:00:25]

hnitsuj:

why?

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hnitsuj:

mythtv is not a cctv application

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directhex|work:

bigtone, how is what i just said related to what you just said?

[11:01:12]

ukachaka:

just want to know if anyone actually using such cmbination

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ukachaka:

wanted*

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bigtone:

directhex|work: was assuming you wanted me to try the open source OpenGL driver rather than the fglrx prop driver

[11:02:20]

hnitsuj:

why would anybody? it's a stupid idea. much better to use a proper cctv application for surveillance

[11:02:37]

sid3windr:

hnitsuj: there's a myth plugin for zoneminder isnt there?

[11:02:52]

hnitsuj:

yeah but you still need a zoneminder server

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directhex|work:

bigtone, i would have said "try using the open-source ati driver instead of fglrx" if that's what i was suggesting

[11:02:57]

ukachaka:

for whatever reason

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directhex|work:

bigtone, what i'm suggesting is going into the tv playback settings and switching the renderer from xv-blit to opengl

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hnitsuj:

1. mythtv is little or no use for video feeds without programme guide information

[11:04:20]

hnitsuj:

2. without knowing what kind of 'wireless video camera' you mean it's impossible to say whether it'd work or not anyway

[11:04:42]

directhex|work:

dear suse, please suck less. love directhex

[11:04:44]

hnitsuj:

if you mean a wireless network camera then no it won't work with mythtv

[11:05:03]

ukachaka:

I was asking if someone actually using any setup like that, Im not asking about some particular "wireless camera" if it works with it or not

[11:05:28]

hnitsuj:

without saying what KIND of wireless camera (video or IP) nobody can say!

[11:05:36]

ukachaka:

but I guess noone does, so that pretty much answered my question

[11:05:46]

ukachaka:

leet it be ip

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ukachaka:

let*

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hnitsuj:

mythtv won't work with any IP network camera... none are supported

[11:06:25]

hnitsuj:

for that you really need zoneminder

[11:06:37]

ukachaka:

ok, finaly a bit of information , thanx ;)

[11:06:46]

hnitsuj:

finally? I already said so

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ukachaka:

u r god

[11:07:15]

** hnitsuj sighs... oh those Russians **

[11:07:28]

ukachaka:

;O

[11:07:45]

ukachaka:

I meant the "mythtv won't work with any IP network camera" part of the information

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bigtone:

directhex|work: ta, will try

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sinthetek:

any ideas what options to modify if i have a shakey picture/osd?

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directhex|work:

sinthetek, try the opengl renderer and osd

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bigtone:

directhex|work: my "Paint Engine" options were/are Qt and OpenGL. I could find no reference to "renderer" or "xv-blit"

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directhex|work:

bigtone, then you're looking in the UI settings and not the tv playback settings

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sinthetek:

direct: opengl doesn't work with my shitty video, but i think i fixed it by adjusting the video scan

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bigtone:

directhex|work: Setup->General, Setup->Appearance, both nothing (other than UI using OpenGL). Setup->TV Settings->General has nothing. ...->Playback only has "Enable OpenGL vertical sync for timing" – tried it

[11:28:29]

sinthetek:

i musta missed that option earlier :P thanks though :)

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bigtone:

sinthetek: pls share

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sinthetek:

bigtone: share what? *scrolls up*

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bigtone:

directhex|work: as in, I can't find the setting of which you speak, and I'm trying to demonstrate that I'm not a (complete) numpty

[11:29:48]

bigtone:

sinthetek: "i think i fixed it by adjusting the video scan" – do you have the same prob as me? And did you solve it? If so, pls share the soln

[11:30:36]

sinthetek:

bigtone: ahh, my problem is a bit different... i had distortion but not that bad

[11:31:11]

bigtone:

sinthetek: ahh, I missed directhex|work's direct response to you

[11:31:20]

sinthetek:

i fixed it by adjusting "Video Scan" (in the OSD menu) and setting it to 'progressive' instead of 'direct'

[11:31:50]

sinthetek:

your problem looks like maybe it is related to your video driver perhaps... i think i saw similar distortions after kernel upgrade or something once

[11:32:04]

sinthetek:

i am no expert in such matters though

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directhex|work:

bigtone, setup/setup/tv settings/playback/playback profiles

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sinthetek:

listen to direct's suggestions before mine

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bigtone:

directhex|work: so I should avoid anything with XvMC? (he says, guessing...)

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directhex|work:

bigtone, you have ati. you don't have xvmc

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directhex|work:

bigtone, xvmc is gpu-based mpeg2 acceleration. it has a few downsides, and isn't supported by ati

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bigtone:

directhex|work: kudos, it worked – I chose the Normal profile, all is good

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bigtone:

thanks

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bigtone:

and bang

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bigtone:

major hard lockup

[11:50:31]

bigtone:

ATi, I despise you, Hurry up and release your driver code and hardware specs

[11:51:52]

directhex|work:

they'll never release their code. hardware specs are already out

[11:52:02]

directhex|work:

for many generations of board

[11:54:12]

bigtone:

I didn't think the full specs were out yet – I thought they were trickling them out

[11:54:13]

sinthetek:

thanks to amd

[11:55:48]

sinthetek:

they may eventually release code i would think if linux adoption rises and they decide it would be more effective to let some foss developers maintain code for them no?

[11:56:05]

sinthetek:

maintain code for them for free*

[11:56:35]

sinthetek:

prolly not code for newer hardware but older stuff i could see

[11:57:03]

sinthetek:

naive?

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directhex|work:

sinthetek, usual excuse – too much third party proprietary code they don't own in the drivers

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hashbang:

directhex|bsp: ATI used to write and release driver code for XFree86, but XFree used to take too long to get it into their releases, so they stopped bothering, especially seeing as their main competitor (i.e. nVidia) wasn't either.

[11:59:20]

bigtone:

but I don't really understand why they would resis releasing the code, unless they like the opportunity to make you run their code, for malicious reasons

[11:59:37]

directhex|work:

hashbang, it was subcontracted, with specs under NDA

[11:59:51]

directhex|work:

hashbang, the code was largely incomprehensible

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bigtone:

I guess that's another reason – embassasment

[12:01:00]

directhex|work:

bigtone, they don't own all the code in their drivers. they'd need to buy the rights out, or rewrite from scratch

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bigtone:

understood, but why would the 3rd parties object to free, quality labour?

[12:02:21]

hashbang:

directhex|work: http://www.advogato.org/person/mharris/diary.html?start=5

[12:02:24]

bigtone:

well, to keep creating work for themselves of course

[12:02:25]

bigtone:

silly me

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directhex|work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCB0HkaH0oU #surprisingly slick scientologist propaganda

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[12:12:51]

** hnitsuj chuckles **

[12:13:10]

hnitsuj:

I suppose the 'iplayer plugin' is impotent now, or soon will be.

[12:14:25]

directhex|work:

hnitsuj, yep

[12:14:34]

directhex|work:

hnitsuj, as of this morning AFAIK

[12:15:12]

hnitsuj:

awww poor freetards

[12:15:49]

hnitsuj:

muhhhhhhhhhh we want to watch poor quality downloads of last night's tellies!

[12:17:01]

hnitsuj:

3 dual tuner DVB-T cards, hoofing greet big HDD... problem solved :)

[12:17:16]

hnitsuj:

less if you only care about T Vworth watching

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hnitsuj:

subject: please bring back the themes... delete

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directhex|work:

at least it was a "please" not an "or else"

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Aval0n:

uhg

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Aval0n:

anyone know a good mp3 file renamer

[12:48:15]

Aval0n:

I am not having any luck with musicbrainz stuff

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directhex|work:

nothing that will work out tags by itself, no

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AndyCap:

Aval0n: easytag was somewhat workable, and I did try a program called magic mp3 tagger but that was windows based that had an uncany way of identifying files.

[12:52:57]

bigtone:

Aval0n: try cantus

[12:53:34]

bigtone:

it's a bit obscure, but does the job

[12:53:59]

Aval0n:

andycap: you payed 23 bucks for magic mp3?

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bigtone:

until you get familiar with it, work on copies, not your main/only

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DustyBin:

http://www.juski.co.uk/ is down :(

[12:55:58]

Justin__:

anyone know how to use the icon grabber in the 0.21 myth-setup? The "Icon Download" button in the Channel Editor is greyed out.

[12:56:26]

DustyBin:

Justin__: probably need to do some manual configuration

[12:57:11]

DustyBin:

im going to rip my first audio cd into flac using mythfrontend, ive got 430gigs of space for FLAC

[12:57:27]

Justin__:

hmm, just signed up with SD to avoid "manual configuration" :) Got tired of dealing with crappy xmltv grabbers

[12:58:03]

Justin__:

i dont even know where to begin since none of the documentation out there applies to .21

[12:58:11]

directhex|work:

i don't know what dictates that button's behaviour

[12:58:17]

directhex|work:

it mostly worked for me, except for bbc channels

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DustyBin:

should i replace " " with "_" hmmmmmmmmmmmmm decisions decisions

[13:01:18]

DustyBin:

logically i should

[13:01:27]

DustyBin:

but it could make everything look messy

[13:01:49]

DustyBin:

especially if songs are written "song – blabla" = "song_-_blabla"

[13:02:21]

directhex|work:

why replace " " with "_"?

[13:02:31]

DustyBin:

there is a option in the mythfrontend to do that

[13:02:36]

DustyBin:

mythmusic

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directhex|work:

in 2008, are spaces in filenames really a problem?

[13:02:59]

DustyBin:

nope

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DustyBin:

i can just use tab to select in unix

[13:04:05]

Justin__:

okay, i think it figured it out (using a new script i found in the tarball)

[13:04:08]

DustyBin:

ive turned on the PARANOIA level to full, just incase someone finds out ive been ripping all my CDS :P

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AndyCap:

Aval0n: no, I just tried the demo. I fealt a little uneasy about sending my credit card to some unknown russian firm

[13:05:07]

AndyCap:

Aval0n: but I've been meaning to buy it when I find the energy to restart cleaning up the tags of my mp3 collection.

[13:05:31]

DustyBin:

how does album art work? if i rip my CD in perfect flac format, does mythmusic automatically find the artwork for it?

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directhex|work:

DustyBin, you do kno what that setting means, right?

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DustyBin:

its a visual setting

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DustyBin:

you can edit the tags before you rip, this is cool

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directhex|work:

the paranoia setting, i mean

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DustyBin:

directhex|work: if there is dirt on the cd, it trys to read the data again until it gets a good checksum

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DustyBin:

thats what makes ripping your audio cds into flac better quality

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DustyBin:

because they will play more error free than putting a dirty audio cd in a cd player

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millosh_:

if i want to have a couple computers with a couple tv cards on each, is there some kind of myth-based software which would allow me centralized scheduling?

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millosh_:

or i should write the code?

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directhex|work:

millosh_, yes. it's called "mythtv"

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millosh_:

:)

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directhex|work:

millosh_, more specifically, set one box up as a master backend, the other as a slave backend. job jobbed

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millosh_:

so, it is possible to use only mythtv for that? hmm... ok, i'll continue to read documentation...

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millosh_:

directhex|work: thanks a lot!

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hnitsuj:

for mp3 organising – mediamonkey is alright

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directhex|work:

ook!

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DustyBin:

wow mythmusic has some nice new features

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DustyBin:

one can now leave the music playing in the background

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DustyBin:

now one can view the gallery and listen to music :D

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hnitsuj:

now? been that way for ages :P

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keith4_:

don't trash on his excitement

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DustyBin:

aye

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DustyBin:

my banshee music player automatically finds the album artwork, however mythmusic album art doesnt show anything

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DustyBin:

maybe i need a background script to make that work

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DustyBin:

"This displays the album art for the currently playing music. Basically, any image in the same directory as the music file currently playing is treated as if it might be album art, and one is selected randomly for display."

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hnitsuj:

grabbing album art is sort of contentious re copyright etc

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hnitsuj:

or at the very least T&Cs of the sites they scrape

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DustyBin:

banshee features lots of grabbing stuff and thats a part of opensuse

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directhex|work:

and it's still dodgy

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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keith4_:

so... does apple have a special agreement for itunes?

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DustyBin:

music is automatically turned off if you watch tv

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DustyBin:

:D

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DustyBin:

hahahah

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DustyBin:

and if you quit tv, the music comes back

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DustyBin:

its kind of like sky with music in the background

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hnitsuj:

only not shit

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hnitsuj:

:)

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DustyBin:

haha yes, this is impressive

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DustyBin:

mythtv now has flac quality music playing in the background of the menu system :D

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hnitsuj:

keith4_: one could assume they have agreements for artwork re-use too

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hnitsuj:

though I've seen gracenote database has artwork in it.. so might be more of a grey area now

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** DustyBin checks mythweb to see if music icon now appears **

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DustyBin:

wow

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DustyBin:

mythweb music has changed too

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DustyBin:

this is serious stuff

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hnitsuj:

funny eh.. in all the time between releases, MYTHTV IMPROVED!

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DustyBin:

you can edit a playlist from mythweb

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hnitsuj:

that's been in there a long time

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DustyBin:

i setup my webserver to use https so im unable to stream anything

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DustyBin:

i might have to setup another server for mythweb http

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hnitsuj:

there's also an idle timer in livetv so you don't end up with a full partition if you fall asleep watching live telly

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DustyBin:

nice

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directhex|work:

hm, good thing i delayed. looks like ubuntu 8.04 (which is pre-release, blah blah blah) accidentally gained a completely broken glibc

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sid3windr:

heh

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sid3windr:

glibc is overrated!

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directhex|work:

so is vmlinuz!

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DustyBin:

does mythgallery and mythmusic use mysql to store information of all the files it finds?

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directhex|work:

all music players other than xmms use a database to store metadata

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DustyBin:

ok

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directhex|work:

how do you search for "all tracks by $foo" without info on all your tracks?

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DustyBin:

i dont want to bugger up my database if i pump 1000 images into mythgallery

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hnitsuj:

ffs

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hnitsuj:

might as well not use anything then, incase it fucks something up

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directhex|work:

mysql. good enough for google, not enough for DustyBin

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DustyBin:

it looks like you can plug your camera directly into your mythbox and mythgallery will grab the images

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DustyBin:

my lord

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DustyBin:

the track just changed, and a box just appeared showing my what the next track is

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keith4_:

you don't get out much, do you?

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sid3windr:

lol

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iamlindoro:

Nothing like getting the changelog, one feature at a time

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PatrickDK:

why not one word at a time?

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directhex|work:

could always actually update the changelog on the wiki as you spot things

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hnitsuj:

ZOMG! teh awesomes!

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** hnitsuj wonders what mythtvnews.com has been smoking **

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DustyBin:

opengl is working on my system because i can see fades in the menus etc, however, ive turned on opengl transitions in mythgallery but the slideshow doesnt show any kind of opengl transition

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hnitsuj:

the default is no transition

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DustyBin:

its ok

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DustyBin:

yes :D

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hnitsuj:

there's a setting to enable gl transitions, then there's a choice of transitions to use

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DustyBin:

this is seriously cool

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hnitsuj:

captain stating the fucking obvious over there

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DustyBin:

you can view a gallery with nice effects, listen to music in the background, and if the music changes, a box will appear showing you album art and the next track

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DustyBin:

very nice indeed

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iamlindoro:

hnitsuj: Did you see the .21 article on engadgethd stating "Pretty much the biggest feature in version .21 is the ability to record QAM on an HDHomeRun?"

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iamlindoro:

DustyBin: Stop listing features! We *know*!

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hnitsuj:

iamlindoro: no – that's what happens when a project doesn't have an appointed community spokesperson

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DustyBin:

ok :P

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keith4_:

... MythRecipe?

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directhex|work:

no, engadget are just *shit* at this stuff

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hnitsuj:

even tomshardware got it badly wrong

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hnitsuj:

and linux magazine.. with its "browse the web while watching tv" bollocks

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directhex|work:

they announced the ps3 was the first console with divx playback, 2 months after the 360 got the feature, fr'example

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DustyBin:

now all i need to do is go out and get a social life so i can fill up my gallery

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PatrickDK:

DustyBin, you could just borrows someone elses life

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hnitsuj:

just take photos of people you see on the way to work every day, from ankle height

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hnitsuj:

shoecam (tm)

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keith4_:

yarr

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DustyBin:

lol

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iamlindoro:

sounds like upskirt to me

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hnitsuj:

yeah so?

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sid3windr:

:]

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iamlindoro:

What are you, japanese?

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directhex|work:

random shoes!

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DustyBin:

is there a module what makes mythgallery show on mythweb?

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DustyBin:

mythmusic + mythvideo show up on mythweb

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iamlindoro:

"I can't believe that MythTV still isn't to a 1.x release... From a user adoption perspective, 1.x looks better than 0.21, which to me implies that it is still beta ( 1.0)."

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iamlindoro:

I hate that argument

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hnitsuj:

user adoption? hands up people who contribute whether you care about user adoption or not .....

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iamlindoro:

*cricket*

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directhex|work:

iamlindoro, lord knows windows 6.0.5219 is worthy of sugh a high version number!

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hnitsuj:

how can this be so? open source software that doesn't want to take over the world?!?!?!??!

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iamlindoro:

directhex|work: I rather enjoy the few things out there with the version numbers in the thousands

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directhex|work:

actually, 6.0.5219 was a beta

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directhex|work:

6.0.6000 is release

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iamlindoro:

We could just call each svn revision a .0 release--- I'm running.. umm... mythtv 16446.0!

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iamlindoro:

It's roughly 3000 times more mature than windows!

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hnitsuj:

maybe just do an md5 of the source & use that as a version no.

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hnitsuj:

it'd be as meaningful

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Justin__:

can anyone access www.mythtvthemes.co.uk? has the site moved?

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directhex|work:

it's been removed

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iamlindoro:

It's moved to /dev/null

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directhex|work:

purged from existence

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Justin__:

:(

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hnitsuj:

killed

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hnitsuj:

deceased. it is no more!

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directhex|work:

killed with flame

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iamlindoro:

Justin__: The myth devs were angry that he used the trademarked term "MythTV" in his themes and site, and had it taken down under the DMCA

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Justin__:

wow thats pretty lame

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iamlindoro:

There's a case pending in US patent court about it and a huge writeup on slashdot

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Justin__:

every time i learn more about the mythtv underbelly, satan eats a puppy

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iamlindoro:

Yup. I guess there's some issue about one of the guys on the dev team having a patent for "ordering information onscreen in list format" that the themes infringed on

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Justin__:

i read about that in the dictionary, it was right under gullible

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DustyBin:

anybody know a place where i can download some legal HD preview .avi files?

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Justin__:

you lost right after the first go

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iamlindoro:

Suuuuuure I did

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hnitsuj:

anyway, as for the site coming back.. can you see this?

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directhex|work:

DustyBin, define "HD"

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DustyBin:

directhex|work: 720P .avi ?

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directhex|work:

DustyBin, because no legal HD uses an AVI container, so you're already diverging

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iamlindoro:

avi is just a container, who cares what the container is?

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DustyBin:

jeeze

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iamlindoro:

you care about *codec*

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directhex|work:

iamlindoro, it's a reasonable indicator of who's distributing what, though

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directhex|work:

DustyBin, anyway, didn't you make a point of buying an old crt? no HD for you

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DustyBin:

directhex|work: im just testing out mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

directhex|work: It was for his benefit, I know you know :)

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directhex|work:

DustyBin, http://orange.blender.org/download

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DustyBin:

thanks :D

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directhex|work:

DustyBin, there you go, there's a legit HD avi

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DustyBin:

oh yes i forgot about that :D

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directhex|work:

not that it's a codec or bitrate used by "real" hd, of course

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iamlindoro:

I am gonna make a little clip on 1080p at... hmmm.. maybe 100 Kb/s in MJPG... for the next time someone asks for HD in a given container. Then I'm going to convince them their 386SX can *totally* play 1080p!

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directhex|work:

mjpeg? bah. raw uncompressed bitmap sequences!

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|Torg|:

hell iamlindoro I have a real 1080 ts that will choak my Q6600 if thats all you want :P

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GreyFoxx:

hnitsuj: Gotta say I've never seen any devs stress over number of myth users specifically :)

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sid3windr:

I still have a 386SX, I'll gladly betatest, iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

|Torg|: If you can't get your Q6600 to play *any* file, you're doing something wrong

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GreyFoxx:

people seem to have a mindset that developers of a project are all trying to take over the world and get everyone to use their stuff :)

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iamlindoro:

skiploopfilter ftw

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hnitsuj:

holds up hands... "sound the alarm! a user has threatened to guy & buy a tivo rtaher than use mythtv! to the devmobile !!!!!"

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directhex|work:

iamlindoro, maybe he forgot to comile with threaded ffmpeg support

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|Torg|:

iamlindoro it playes the 264 I traandoscded fine, playes all my 262 well, its just one ts sample I have from the BBS, I presume is from klll bill

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directhex|work:

the bbchd sample is fine on a t7400. a q6600 should be no issue

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iamlindoro:

|Torg|: My E4500 @ 2.2 Ghz can play that file perfectly

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iamlindoro:

directhex|work: That would be doing something wrong then :)

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directhex|work:

i tested this cpu, bbchd was fine down to 1.67ghz

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directhex|work:

with both cores, i must stress. 1 core = not enough

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iamlindoro:

-lavdopts threads=2:fast:skiploopfilter=all

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directhex|work:

threaded playback is a ./configure option

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directhex|work:

loopfilter is AFAIK in the db but not the ui

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iamlindoro:

well, for internal

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iamlindoro:

if we're strictly talking about proving the machine is capable of the playback I don't see any harm in using mplayer

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directhex|work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5KMRwLfaj4&feature=related #officially the best thing ever

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jarle:

I have comflagging to start when a recording starts, is there a practical limitation to how many simultanious recordings it can comflag at a time? Any practical examples of people running with MANY comflag jobs at a time?

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jarle:

I guess this would be a IO limitation, and not a CPU limit?

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keith4_:

both

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iamlindoro__:

commflagging isn't IO bound, it's CPU

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directhex|work:

commflag is very cpu intensive

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keith4_:

it's definitely CPU bound

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keith4_:

but if you're choking your IO with recording, or streaming, or whatever... obviously commflag suffers

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keith4_:

depending on what you're recording, and how

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jarle:

directhex|work: but the commflagging can work as slowly as it want, it does not have any feed that it has to keep up with does it?

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keith4_:

if you run into problems, you could always add a slave backend with no tuners, just for commflagging

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jarle:

keith4_: backend without tuners is not officially supported by myth..

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|Torg|:

I believe its an older bug fromt eh trunk code I am using that is about 3 weeks old. How close is trunk now to the .21 release?

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jarle:

keith4_: though I know it works..

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jarle:

directhex|work: I mean, I don't mind if the comflag job takes it's time, as long as there is enough IO to write the recording to disk, but I would prefer having com-skipping working on time-shifter recordings..

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jarle:

I have it working just fine now, I was just wondering how it would work out if I for example allow 6 recordings on each of my two cards (for example...)

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hnitsuj:

edit the source, cos it only allows 5 max per card

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hnitsuj:

videosource.cpp IIRC

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keith4_:

6 per card?

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GreyFoxx:

yeah I have mine set to a max of 10

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jarle:

GreyFoxx: and you have comflagging started when recording starts?

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GreyFoxx:

no, I don't really used comflagging, but when I enabled it ...lets just say stuff melted pretty quickly :)

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GreyFoxx:

I enabledit as a test to see if it would die, and it did :)

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jarle:

GreyFoxx: I would think that running the comflag process with for example "nice 19" it would not get in the way of the other jobs?

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GreyFoxx:

I spent no time trying to make it work. I don't use comflagging and in that case it was a 5 minute experiment :)

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jarle:

GreyFoxx: I will check that I get multirec working 100% first, and then have a look at the comflagging...

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DustyBin:

when i launch mythvideo from mythweb it errors and says "ould not create a symlink to /home/mythtv/.mythtv/MythVideo, the local MythVideo artwork directory for this hostname (server). Please create a symlink to your MythVideo directory at data/video_covers in order to use the video artwork portions of MythWeb."

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DustyBin:

the symlink exists

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DustyBin:

/var/www/mythweb/data

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DustyBin:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 www-data www-data 30 2008-03–09 02:54 video_covers -> /home/mythtv/.mythtv/MythVideo

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** GreyFoxx starts to investigate the wonderful world of firewire dvdroms and the myth media monitor **

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DustyBin:

and also /home/mythtv/.mythtv/MythVideo exists

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DustyBin:

drwxrwxrwx 2 mythtv mythtv 4096 2008-03–13 15:03 MythVideo

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DustyBin:

^^^ that is /home/mythtv/.mythtv/MythVideo

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DustyBin:

it was a group permission problem, i forgot you need to restart after changing group

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hnitsuj:

restart?

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** hnitsuj explodes **

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hnitsuj:

try log back out & back in again, not restart...

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hnitsuj:

AFAIK, about the only thing you need restart for is changing a kernel, and even then I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if there was some way to do it without a reboot

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|Torg|:

hnitsuj: you cant change the uid or gid of a running process without hacking the process memory. Its an old trick in Solaris but there are safeguards against doing it.

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cesman:

"rebooting is for adding new hardware" ;)

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Dagmar:

Are you high?

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Dagmar:

Seriously.

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Dagmar:

What the hell do you think `su` does?

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Dagmar:

You can't force _another_ process to change uid/gid (afaik) but it's perfectly possible for a process to change uid/gid for itself.

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Dagmar:

I'm not trying to be a bastard but that one was well wide of the mark.

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|Torg|:

it is NOT perfectly normal for a process to change its uid/gid, it can be SETUID buit to change it while running is indication of a hack

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jduggan:

setuid() setgid() etc

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Dagmar:

No, that's actually built into the OS.

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|Torg|:

su forks off a nw shell, hence new process

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Dagmar:

su is suid root because root-owned processes are definitely allowed to change to another uid/gid as the effective values

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Dagmar:

`su joeuser`. Spawns as root, changes to `joeuser`, spawns new shell.

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Dagmar:

^^^^^^^

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|Torg|:

yes Dagmar those are all normal processes changes

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Dagmar:

...and yet, it changes the uid like you claim is not possible or is a "hack"

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|Torg|:

run shall as user, stop-a the box, poke 1 into process memory at the aprorate location, resume the box

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|Torg|:

use one of the rootkits to hack your shell, and assume root

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Dagmar:

Perhaps you should read the source for su

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|Torg|:

these are all hacks to a system

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Dagmar:

Use WHAT rootkit?

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Dagmar:

You been listening to Steve Gibosn podcasts again or something?

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** directhex|work haxes teh gibson **

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|Torg|:

no I know of a few root kits that can make you root by changing you uid of a running shell, do you REALLY want me to list them in this channel?

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** hnitsuj wonders if the 'sucks' page on the wiki couldn't just have a picture of G.A.N.T on there & leave it at that **

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Dagmar:

They don't do what you're claiming they do

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Dagmar:

...or at least, tehy have fuck-all to do with su

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|Torg|:

they dont use su

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Dagmar:

Su is calling a _normal_ function to change effective uid/gid

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directhex|work:

hnitsuj, better gant than iulius

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hnitsuj:

not even going there.

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hnitsuj:

anyway I forgot. I can't criticise anymore

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Dagmar:

...and <loud>I can damn well promise you those rootkits aren't able to just change to root spontaneously without exploiting a vulnerability somewhere</loud>

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Dagmar:

This is why we have to stomp out bogons wherever we find them

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|Torg|:

of COURSE they use vulnerabilities, thats why its nor NORMAL to change a runing processes UID

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Dagmar:

It *is* normal.

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Dagmar:

It's allowed, under specific conditions.

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Dagmar:

One of those big conditions being that the uid is 0 to start with.

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Dagmar:

su and sudo are NOT some kind of exploit.

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Dagmar:

Damnit

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|Torg|:

I didnt say they were explaoits, but I see you firmly belive it works in some why that they clearly do not

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Dagmar:

For fuck's sake dude, read `man 2 setuid`

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|Torg|:

all it takes is to fork off a shell with su or sudo and simply go look at the process tree, it did not in any way shape or form alter the uid of the shell it was involked from

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Dagmar:

...and have `man 2 seteuid` for dessert.

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Dagmar:

"setuid() sets the effective user ID of the current process."

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|Torg|:

that is ONLY if you are superuser to begin with

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Dagmar:

"If the effective UID of the caller is root, the real UID and saved set-user-ID are also set."

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Dagmar:

No shit, really? Didn't I say that twice already?

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|Torg|:

and didnt I say it was not normal for a user process to alter its uid already

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Dagmar:

...and I can assure you that under certain conditions, non-root uids can do this as well.

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Dagmar:

Not *once* did you say "user" process

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|Torg|:

well Dustybin was talking about mythvideo, it was on that which I was commenting

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|Torg|:

you are correct I did no implictly say user process, but it was in that context I was talking that it was not normal for it to do it

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|Torg|:

I belive you are taking my comments out of context

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Dagmar:

No, not when you go on talking about rootkits and so fort

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Dagmar:

h

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Dagmar:

There's no orthogonality to setuid() but they're not "hacks" either.

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|Torg|:

well a non root user changing to root by chaging its uid IS how at leat 2 rootkits I know of work, well did, under 2.2 kernels

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Dagmar:

Cite which ones

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Dagmar:

That isn't ancient history for me.

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|Torg|:

knark I belive is one, I have to go look. Im not a hacker, I dont keep up on them

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Dagmar:

Well, guess who in here *is* a hacker

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Dagmar:

I probably spent more time logged into other people's s**t while I was in college than I did classwork

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Dagmar:

knark used canned exploits to gain elevated privs.

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|Torg|:

I wonder your motivation for saying that in a public channel, but I belive you

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Dagmar:

it didnt' just magically poke at some memory regions no one's supposed to know about.

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Dagmar:

This isn't Windows.

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Dagmar:

Torg: because it was too long ago for any Feds to give a crap about

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|Torg|:

I said thats how you do it in Solaris, impliclty I know how to subvert a shell in solaris IF you have acccess to the console

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Dagmar:

I'd be sad for you if you didn't know that.

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Dagmar:

Access to the console == FTW

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Dagmar:

This is why we lock computers up in those cold, lonely rooms.

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|Torg|:

yes Dagmar and if you do it worng, put the 0 on the worn memory address you will fault the cpu and core the box, its not NORMAL admin behavior

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Dagmar:

...and yet Solaris has setuid().

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|Torg|:

just becase you know how does not mena you SHOULD

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|Torg|:

and just becase its posible does not make it NORMAL

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Dagmar:

Solaris console includes a hardware-level debugger is why.

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Dagmar:

You can freaking open the thing up even if it's crashed on most of them

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Dagmar:

s/it's/the OS/;

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PatrickDK:

I still can't believe some company attempted to sue me for hacking their system

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PatrickDK:

when my system sent them an ident request

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Dagmar:

PatrickDK: Because what passes for "security administrator" is pretty lame most places

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PatrickDK:

oh better :)

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PatrickDK:

what is that damned phone people?

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PatrickDK:

vonage

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Dagmar:

There's some magic "off-the-record" words that make those problems go away.

[16:15:57]

PatrickDK:

they called me, and told me to stop hacking their port 123

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PatrickDK:

when their servers where configured to get time from mine

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Dagmar:

They are "when *actual criminals* find out that you guys can't tell your butt from a hole in the ground, you'd better start schlepping your resume around, bub."

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Dagmar:

Followed by "and if you try and sue me over something entirely legal and normal like this, without calling in a skilled consultant in to train you on 'why I'm right and you're wrong' they _will_ find out when the security mailing lists and blog sites pick up the story."

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Dagmar:

Idiots threatening to sue you is not worth worrying over.

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PatrickDK:

no, but funny

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Dagmar:

They'll be lucky if their lawyer doesn't charge them to tell them they're stupid.

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Dagmar:

Did they seriously say "stop hacking our port 123" on the phone?

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PatrickDK:

yep

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Dagmar:

I would have had a hard time not laughing in their faces.

[16:19:45]

PatrickDK:

actually, they told me to stop hacking them

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PatrickDK:

then 5min later, they finally told me they where getting a packet to port 123 about every 5min

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PatrickDK:

then I checked my server

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Dagmar:

The appropriate response feels something like "ZOMG they're haxoring our ports! Call me back when you've talked to a grown-up about it."

[16:20:19]

PatrickDK:

and told them, I would be happy to charge for suppling accurate time to your servers

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Dagmar:

That is truly weak of them

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Dagmar:

But hey, there's been worse

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PatrickDK:

guess their security people where bored

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Dagmar:

The guy who used to run all.net had his system set up to traceroute, do a pile of whois lookups, and then spew the lot at the last three abuse contacts involved any time more than two things (one ping and one telnet to port 113 would do it) triggered his IDS

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Dagmar:

PatrickDK: no, more likely they had some idiot over there start trying to put together a list of what they're incoming traffic is, and they're assuming that anything they don't understand it someone trying to hax0r them

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Dagmar:

s/they

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Dagmar:

@#$@ s/they're/their/;

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PatrickDK:

no, there was a securit alert many years about

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PatrickDK:

about large packets, using the ntp control protocol

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Dagmar:

Said bantam-weight admin from all.net sent one of those emails to my ISP years back, almost had my accounts cancelled.

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Dagmar:

Had I done what little I did from my uni account, those guys were clueless enough to probably think I *was* hacking because the email had a ton of arcane looking gobbledygook in it, which to inexperienced admins is generally considered to be as good as a seal of veracity

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Dagmar:

So they decided that all packets are large packets?

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Dagmar:

Hmm... maybe they bought the world's crappiest IDS

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PatrickDK:

no, any packet with more than like 100 bytes or so

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Dagmar:

That would be a crappy IDS

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Dagmar:

Not even Snort is that cheap about it

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PatrickDK:

it is in snort

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Dagmar:

wtf

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Dagmar:

That's wack.

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PatrickDK:

or like the one I did yesterday

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Dagmar:

I wrote a custom rule for snort that simply makes sure the response is sane

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PatrickDK:

http TRACE command

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PatrickDK:

nothing is wrong with it

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PatrickDK:

but cause you can use it, from a broken ie/..., to get more info, it is considered a security alert

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PatrickDK:

http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/867593

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Dagmar:

You can use it from anything

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Dagmar:

That's a "bad configuration" problem for leaving it enabled on the web server

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PatrickDK:

ya, but you have to use it from the users browser to make anything you would one come up (cookies)

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Dagmar:

...but it shoudn't be allowed on a production web server.

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Dagmar:

...and if they're using a caching http accellerator, it should have that disabled, or they should be ready to deal with whatever the proxy tells the attacker, because it's a perfectly normal operation

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hnitsuj:

naw but if somebody exploits it, they can be knackered with the full force of teh lawz!

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hnitsuj:

like in the UK it's apparently illegal to make use of a perfectly available wireless network which is conveniently totally insecure

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directhex|work:

or rip a cd

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hnitsuj:

but apparently it's alright for ISPs to allow traffic through their network that disrupts the service I pay good money for

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Dagmar:

hnitsuj: I don't think anyone's all that happy with those particular precedents

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directhex|work:

hnitsuj, and to spy on your surfing habits to they can replace your banner ads on a per-user basis

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PatrickDK:

I think the UK is crazy

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hnitsuj:

not as crazy as the spanners over the pond though :D

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Dagmar:

There's been a few cases here where the DAs have either lost their mind or been manipulated by idiots into trying to prosecute someone for using someone's unsecured AP when the actual user who owned the AP didn't care and nothing fishy was going on

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hnitsuj:

Dagmar: snap

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Dagmar:

...I've yet to see one manage to result in a serious conviction tho

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hnitsuj:

The Misuse Of Communication Networks act, or some such voodoo

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Dagmar:

directhex: Tampering with the content of HTTP streams is going to get some ISPs in a legal mess

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sentinel23:

hey do you guys know if the RecordFilePrefix value needs the trailing slash?

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Dagmar:

No dirname ever should or the code should be considered broken

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Dagmar:

If it doesn't, it's not like it would take someone long to find the place to wedge in a literal '/'

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Dagmar:

er doesn't work that is

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sentinel23:

cool thx

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sentinel23:

makes sense

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Dagmar:

directhex: There's federal laws that could be used to discourage such behaviour in the US

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Dagmar:

directhex: Because, if perchance, I had up a website, and some ISP took money from someone to _make unauthoritzed modifications to my published, copyrighted materials_, well...

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Dagmar:

Lawyers salivate at those kinds of words.

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Dagmar:

...and it's not reasonable to assume everyone's going to be cool with that being done to their content.

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hnitsuj:

maybe 'that' website offended somebody in a backwards country & they changed the DNS records....

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Dagmar:

That would be one of those instances you hear about involving the phrase "The internet treats censorship as damage and routes around it"

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, law shmaw. there's money to be made!

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hnitsuj:

btw made my router perform much better. turned off logging – now it's nice & fast no matter what

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tyce_:

anyone else realize that mythweb no longer posts the full url? so now after selecting a recording, you can't hit the back button and have to it go right back to the day and time you scheduling for?

[16:45:04]

xris:

tyce_: the tv list data is run via AJAX now... it's about a 300% improvement in response time for the page.

[16:45:13]

Dagmar:

tyce: You know history(-1) has nothing to do with that, right?

[16:45:27]

xris:

I don't think there's a way to update the address bar without causing a page refresh

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Dagmar:

"page refresh" would be the key there.

[16:46:15]

tyce_:

it's just no longer easy to schedule a block of shows in a night, unless you happen to actually be scheduling them right at the time they air.

[16:46:16]

Dagmar:

He's assuming each transaction (click/data entry) is doing a new page

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directhex|work:

ajax! aaaah! saviour of the universe!

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xris:

tyce_: "middle-click to open in new tab"

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Dagmar:

"AJAX" aside

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tyce_:

yeah, there's that... but that isn't the greatest way to go if you're trying to schedule on an iphone ;)

[16:47:43]

xris:

but feel free to mention it to kormoc if/when he shows up (last I checked he was running a 102 fever so I personally hope he sleeps a bit more).

[16:47:47]

Dagmar:

Javascript has pretty much always let you make fiddling changes to web pages that don't disappear when you hit the back butotn.

[16:48:03]

xris:

tyce_: if you're using an iphone, switch to the lite template system and your problems will go away

[16:48:27]

tyce_:

which template system are you referring to?

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Dagmar:

There's nifty themes built into it now

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tyce_:

oh. so that would have to be a global change?

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xris:

tyce_: global to your browser cookie / login, yes

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xris:

but not to mythweb as a whole

[16:50:01]

xris:

just go into the mythweb settings.

[16:51:54]

KaZeR:

hey guys. i've updated my recording backend hardware, but i have a little problem

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tyce_:

yeah, see it.. that seemed to jack everything up

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hnitsuj:

there are pills you can buy to make little problems a thing of the past

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tyce_:

and now I can't change it back :)

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KaZeR:

i also changed the name & ip of the backend. i though it would only be a matter of updating mysql in settings and capturecard, but when i start the backend, it tells me that no input card are configured

[16:52:54]

KaZeR:

can anyone help?

[16:53:00]

tyce_:

http://utahawdclub.com/jacked

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Dagmar:

Kazer: Your old tuners are assigned to the old backend names, sounds like

[16:54:15]

tyce_:

got it fixed, thanks, but don't think I'll use lite.

[16:54:54]

Dagmar:

Well, I like lite

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hashbang:

dagar: there are loads of 'long $FOO packet' rules in the default Snort rule set, that basically look for (what looks like) the beginning of a protocol command, and >= 1024 characters before a LF. I think those rules pretty much suck too.

[16:55:30]

KaZeR:

Dagmar, this is in capturecards, right? i've updated the hostname too in that table

[16:55:31]

Dagmar:

I no longer have to sit and watch Blazer madly move the page pieces around while it decides how it wants to "gracefully degrade" the document

[16:55:43]

xris:

KaZeR: hostname field is in a BUNCH of tables

[16:56:12]

xris:

tyce_: there's also a mobile theme, but I don't think it works very well with the iphone.

[16:56:16]

Dagmar:

Kazer: The database is about as far from 3NF as it can get in some spots, man. Don't assume you've gotten everything just because you changed one value

[16:56:25]

xris:

tyce_: lite template should just be the same as the main one but without javascript.

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Dagmar:

hashbang: I suppose this should be a caveat about "why you don't drop in a bunch of rules you've never looked at"

[16:57:30]

hashbang:

Dagmar: yup. Can't remember whether those are enabled by default or not, though.

[16:57:39]

KaZeR:

xris, Dagmar , thanks. any idea of the table i could have missed? (this is only a recording backend)

[16:57:54]

Dagmar:

kazer: No idea. I'd have just readded them in mythtv-setup, myself.

[16:57:57]

hashbang:

Dagmar: and then, of course, I have a special place for NIDS without any visibility into what their rules are actually looking for, and/or what they found.

[16:58:10]

Dagmar:

It's probably pretty hot there.

[16:58:37]

KaZeR:

ok thanks Dagmar

[16:59:13]

Dagmar:

I just tell folks to only include the rules that might in some way actually affect their equipment, unless they want to spend 3/4 of their day just filtering out false positives manually and hoping no one gets "snow blind" and lets something important slip through

[16:59:13]

hashbang:

Dagmar: NIDS: "I FOUNDZ A TIGER!!1" "O RLY? What did it look like?" "Dunno, didn't write it down" "OK, what characteristics were you looking for in your hunt for tigers?" "Not allowed to tell you, sorry"

[16:59:22]

xris:

KaZeR: probably any table with a name like "capture" or "input" or "setting"

[16:59:22]

Dagmar:

lol

[16:59:28]

xris:

or "video"

[16:59:37]

jon_:

i like tigers

[16:59:45]

hashbang:

"Is it possible you just saw my pet cat?" "Maybe."

[16:59:49]

hnitsuj:

hashbang: a lot like CETI then

[16:59:57]

hnitsuj:

er.. SETI even

[17:00:07]

Dagmar:

"Ceiling cat is watching you filter false positives."

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mkargar:

hello all friends

[17:00:49]

jon_:

but i need a new frontend system, and after discussion yesterday was set on a mac mini, but have read it has trouble with hd, so now i am not so sure

[17:01:02]

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[17:01:06]

hnitsuj:

oh god ffs now this again!

[17:01:26]

Dagmar:

Trying to use an IDS that simply enumerates known badness is a long road to hell

[17:01:32]

directhex|work:

jonK, read where?

[17:01:41]

hnitsuj:

www.ihatemacs.com

[17:01:43]

jonK:

myth wiki

[17:01:52]

directhex|work:

jonK, given the one person here with actual experience, iamlindoro, says it's fine. and my own testing shows it too

[17:01:57]

directhex|work:

jonK, where on the wiki?

[17:02:08]

directhex|work:

note: any reference to g4 macs gets you a stab in the face

[17:02:19]

** iamlindoro_ nods **

[17:02:35]

mkargar:

what is best font for using as OSD font?(i using desault font of Kubuntu,but,font is alias!)

[17:02:36]

hnitsuj:

hell even the ppc mac minis worked with HDTV – mpeg2 hd anyway

[17:02:48]

directhex|work:

hnitsuj, yeah, but mpeg? :/

[17:03:03]

Dagmar:

oh no not alias

[17:03:12]

Dagmar:

Try Trbuchana

[17:03:23]

hnitsuj:

directhex|work: mpeg? who knows? what about MPEG$notinventedyet ?!

[17:03:55]

hashbang:

ttfn, folks

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hnitsuj:

mkargar: I always favoured freesans

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hnitsuj:

freemono blows donkeys

[17:04:34]

Dagmar:

I've been using the Lucidas for most things

[17:04:41]

jonK:

am looking, but of course can't find it again...

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hnitsuj:

wheee MOAR MYTHUI :D

[17:05:58]

mkargar:

dear hnitsuj:freesans is best?

[17:06:03]

jonK:

talk page for myth on mac x86

[17:06:09]

jonK:

Several people have reported problems displaying HD video on a very high resolution display, like a 1080p LCD panel""

[17:06:16]

hnitsuj:

mkargar: I didn't say it's best – I just said I like it

[17:06:36]

hnitsuj:

jonK: several people are retarded

[17:07:14]

Dagmar:

He could try some of these: http://www.1001freefonts.com/

[17:07:27]

Dagmar:

Most of them are hideous, but one or two might be interesting.

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[17:07:32]

hnitsuj:

Dagmar: not many GPL compatible ones

[17:08:02]

hnitsuj:

all the talk pages in the wiki should be deleted IMHO

[17:08:21]

Dagmar:

Aye but this is his own personal use

[17:08:44]

hnitsuj:

the wiki is not a discussion forum!

[17:08:55]

Dagmar:

The important bits being the site is so large it should stop all "best" worries for a bit

[17:09:13]

Dagmar:

...but they have the "discussion" tab

[17:09:25]

hnitsuj:

but nothing

[17:09:38]

hnitsuj:

supposed to be about facts, not effing conjecture & opinion

[17:09:55]

Dagmar:

I thought that's what discussion on the internet was about...

[17:10:15]

PatrickDK:

I thought the internet was about confusing the crap out of people

[17:10:21]

hnitsuj:

problem being when people start reading opinions & treating them like facts

[17:10:25]

Dagmar:

People making up fantasic explanations for things based on wild speculation and unfounded suspicions, and the most plausible one winning out.

[17:10:46]

hnitsuj:

I read it in the wiki, therefore it must be true!

[17:11:04]

Dagmar:

So stop any factual inaccuracies you find

[17:11:11]

Dagmar:

s/stop/stomp/;

[17:11:22]

iamlindoro_:

jonK, Presumably you intend to run linux on the mac, yes?

[17:11:23]

sentinel23:

Wikiality, Myth-style

[17:11:23]

hnitsuj:

haven't got all my life

[17:18:18]

sphery:

Yeah to advertising LiveTVIdleTimeout on the New Features page for 0.21 and not including a GUI setting for it. Now Joe user will be messing with the DB directly. I wonder how many broken DB's we'll see...

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[17:19:03]

Aval0n:

hey guys where can I find something that will inspect my music library and auto download high-res album art like albumart.org or itunes?

[17:19:30]

hnitsuj:

sphery: no ui setting? 10 minute fix.

[17:19:35]

sphery:

Don't know if anything like that exists. Pretty sure there were licensing issues preventing that.

[17:19:40]

Aval0n:

ahh

[17:19:40]

hnitsuj:

oh wait it's for a feature I won't use :)

[17:19:43]

sphery:

hnitsuj: 10-minute new feature...

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Dagmar:

Definitely licencing issues

[17:19:50]

sphery:

So it won't go into 0.21

[17:20:00]

sphery:

(And, your right I won't use it either.)

[17:20:13]

hnitsuj:

sphery: I still have privs :P

[17:20:22]

Dagmar:

Make it autoconfigurable

[17:20:29]

hnitsuj:

I'd consider it a bugfix actually

[17:20:33]

quicksilver:

Aval0n: I believe there are perl bindings for such things, so you could hack together something with a little work.

[17:20:38]

sphery:

jams: You just killed My slave backend...

[17:20:48]

Dagmar:

Have the thing come up the first time and show the user a blank screen with one textbox on it saying "Press enter when you are sufficiently bored"

[17:21:00]

Dagmar:

Then use the time it took them to be bored. ;)

[17:21:15]

sphery:

jams: At least, now, I know what that terrible sound I've been hearing every night was. Wonder how long the smell of smoke will take to clear from my house...

[17:21:34]

sphery:

jams: Everything was working great until you told me about yours getting fried...

[17:24:10]

hnitsuj:

sphery: ahh I remember the discussion about it now. the "not another setting" part IV

[17:24:18]

sphery:

Yep.

[17:24:18]

hnitsuj:

to hell. just leave it :)

[17:24:28]

sphery:

But it's a setting even if it's not in the GUI.

[17:24:44]

hnitsuj:

not going down that route

[17:24:58]

sphery:

I have to go figure out how much (capture cards, hard drives, ...) got ruined by my PSU exploding...

[17:25:01]

sphery:

later

[17:25:09]

hnitsuj:

if anybody gave a toss about users there'd be two settings. on & off

[17:25:12]

hnitsuj:

for the whole app :D

[17:25:27]

hnitsuj:

explody PSU? ouchy!

[17:25:35]

hnitsuj:

what make?

[17:25:52]

hnitsuj:

HappyExplodyPSUCorp of Taiwan? we use them at work

[17:26:10]

PatrickDK:

my friend had 20 or so explode on him

[17:26:15]

PatrickDK:

out of a box of 80

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hnitsuj:

I know quite a few have dicky overvoltage crowbar detection in the input stages – that essentially puts a triac or thyristor across the power input rails which SHOULD blow the input fuse (assuming it acts quickly enough) – but invariably doesn't, meaning the crowbar components go byebyes, sometimes putting mains directly onto the low voltage side

[17:30:52]

Dagmar:

yay

[17:31:00]

Dagmar:

Failing triacs for the win

[17:31:33]

Dagmar:

The problem is that people just don't know about this particular aspect of hardware.

[17:31:48]

Dagmar:

They think as long as their CPU fan is keeping the CPU cool, everything else is just for convenience.

[17:32:00]

hnitsuj:

triacs get stuck on as often as they go open cct

[17:32:03]

PatrickDK:

whoa? people have cpu fans?

[17:32:40]

Dagmar:

hnitsuj: As an added bonus cheap ones degrade rapidly if they're kept too hot

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sid3windr:

what's a cpu?

[17:32:44]

mkargar:

in the setting section of mythtv,I changed OpenGL to QT!since of restart system.mythtv not showing menu for wotching TV and ...!

[17:32:50]

hnitsuj:

on switchable input PSUs it's generally the overvolt protection triac that goes out

[17:32:53]

mkargar:

please help me?

[17:33:20]

hnitsuj:

Dagmar: everything degrades when it gets too hot :)

[17:33:20]

Dagmar:

I've seen one sending 53V into the mainboard

[17:33:37]

Dagmar:

The hint was that plugging the machine into the network crashed all the other machines on the network. :)

[17:33:48]

hnitsuj:

Dagmar: I've seen motherboard CPU Vcore regulators go wonky sending 12V into the CPU

[17:34:21]

hnitsuj:

no limit to the amount of magic blue smoke I've seen :D

[17:35:07]

hnitsuj:

mkargar: I don't swallow that. you generally need to have fonts missing to have problems seeing menu text with the Qt painter

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Dagmar:

I was thinking he's confused and switched *to* the OpenGL painter.

[17:36:38]

hnitsuj:

I think I might make a troubleshooting flowchart. Problems with mythtv? Yes -> RTFM -> still problems? yes -> Buy MCE

[17:36:48]

sid3windr:

lol

[17:37:48]

PatrickDK:

I dunno how someone can have issues with this excellent software :)

[17:38:01]

Dagmar:

Well, the defaults _do_ works

[17:38:22]

hnitsuj:

is opengl painter the default now?

[17:38:29]

Dagmar:

This is the reason I keep punting people back at #MythBuntu and #Knoppmyth and so on

[17:38:32]

sphery:

No. qt is the default

[17:38:35]

jackson:

How does mythtv know which storagegroup to find the basename (video file?) Does it search all storagegroups until it finds it? I don't see a field in mythconverg.recorded to identify what storagegroup the recording is to be found in.

[17:38:37]

hnitsuj:

thank gawd :D

[17:38:43]

sphery:

mkargar: You're probably missing the MS Core Web fonts

[17:38:51]

hnitsuj:

msttcorefonts

[17:38:52]

fryfrog:

jackson: i think that is how it works, yes.

[17:39:05]

hnitsuj:

I tried (and failed) to get dependence on those removed

[17:39:20]

fryfrog:

hnitsuj: if your flow chart includes "buy mce" at the end, then i'd probably not even bother with mythtv

[17:39:28]

sphery:

jackson: It uses the, er, storagegroup field of recorded

[17:39:35]

hnitsuj:

next best thing will be to pull themes which depend on MS fonts :)

[17:39:39]

mkargar:

hnitsuj:sphery:QT is default!but. I changed to openGL!how to back to QT?

[17:39:56]

hnitsuj:

mythfrontend --help will tell you

[17:39:56]

Dagmar:

I was right.

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sphery:

jackson: but, if the file isn't in there, it will search them all

[17:39:57]

|Torg|:

mkargar: mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

[17:40:08]

jonK:

lindoro, yes, was planning on running linux on the mac mini

[17:40:08]

fryfrog:

you can also manually massage the db

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hnitsuj:

fryfrog: oh please no

[17:40:28]

sphery:

mkargar: then, immediately go into mythfrontend's Appearance settings and change it back to QT--i.e. don't keep using the -O override.

[17:40:38]

hnitsuj:

fryfrog: IMHO not a good idea to get users to mangle the db as a matter of course

[17:40:39]

Dagmar:

Don't tell people who can't describe their problem accurately to go groping the db directly.

[17:40:43]

Dagmar:

It's a very bad idea.

[17:40:45]

sphery:

mkargar: -O doesn't change it, but overrides it for one execution

[17:40:54]

hnitsuj:

mythfrontend --reset :-O

[17:40:56]

fryfrog:

well, true :)

[17:41:02]

Dagmar:

Might as well tell a nine-year-old to change the oil in your car.

[17:41:14]

sphery:

That might be cheaper...

[17:41:58]

Dagmar:

At least when you're grilling the nine-year-old later on, you'll be able to see the bottles of vegetable oil lying about.

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jackson:

sphery, sure, however the recorded.storagegroup relates to the storagegroup.groupname, however I have multiple storagegroups with the same groupname (ie Default) which point to 5 different dirname (filesystems), mythtv must search all those filesystems related to the groupname then?

[17:42:35]

tyce_:

xris: looks like lite handles post/get the same though, thanks for your help... I guess I'll just muddle through :)

[17:42:49]

jonK:

you shouldn't grill 9 year olds, they are much better roasted

[17:43:17]

Dagmar:

What's it called when you wrap something with leaves and mud, bury it, and then build a fire on top?

[17:43:25]

iamlindoro_:

jonK, The issues you were talking about (which, by the way, I still don't believe) referred to Mythfrontend on Mac OS X

[17:43:31]

Dagmar:

...other than "suspiciously unsanitary"

[17:43:33]

jonK:

ok

[17:44:00]

xris:

tyce_: main difference with lite is no javascript, and no extras like music/videwo

[17:44:05]

hnitsuj:

Dagmar: compared to letting a PFY handle (alleged) patties of meat & salad vegetables in bread? hmmmm lemme think....

[17:44:05]

mkargar:

very vey THX!My poblem Solved!!!:)

[17:45:08]

hnitsuj:

Dagmar: ahhh found just the thing! ATX PSUs with crowbar protection on OUTPUTS :D

[17:45:42]

tyce_:

jonK: I've been using a 1.66 mac mini as my frontend for a year now and have nothing but success... for the money I don't think you can get a better frontend, specially if you pick one up used like I did.

[17:46:05]

jonK:

plan on used, tyce, are you doing anything with HD?

[17:46:19]

Dagmar:

tyce: Are you currently engaged in posting silly things about "six button remotes"?

[17:46:20]

tyce_:

jonK: yep

[17:46:23]

jonK:

I have a 1080p LCD panel, but am not currently recording anything in HD

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tyce_:

Dagmar: huh?

[17:46:53]

Dagmar:

tyve: That's a correct enough answer.

[17:47:01]

jonK:

I have one PCHD card, but have not used it yet

[17:47:22]

hnitsuj:

Dagmar: get the tar & feathers ready. we can go a-fixin at the weekend. yeeeehaw!

[17:47:28]

jonK:

am kind of waiting for the new hauppague cards t

[17:47:32]

Dagmar:

I mentioned the thing to one of my co-workers, and it took me about 15 minutes of prodding him to think to realize it wasn't possible

[17:47:39]

Dagmar:

...cuz he's a mac user

[17:47:47]

tyce_:

I have mine hooked up to 40" 1080p samsung. I am pulling my HD off the air using a couple DVB cards on my backend and it looks brilliant.

[17:47:50]

hnitsuj:

Dagmar: all you need IZ ONE BUTTON !

[17:48:06]

hnitsuj:

simply press it for different amounts of time. damnit you can be so thick ;)

[17:48:17]

jonK:

I have the 52" samsung, what cards you using for HD?

[17:48:17]

Dagmar:

Some of 'em have this crazy idea in their heads that not only does everything Apple makes come stuffed to the brim with win, that it's an entirely correct solution for every problem everywhere

[17:48:42]

Dagmar:

hnitsuj: Why not just learn PCM and simply use an IR LED and AAA battery?

[17:48:49]

jonK:

yes, i still use my apple newton

[17:48:50]

hnitsuj:

Dagmar: one button but 12 different angles to hold it :D

[17:49:01]

hnitsuj:

Dagmar: yeah it gets towards that

[17:49:14]

hnitsuj:

irrecord.. <flashes torch>

[17:49:18]

tyce_:

jonK: I've got 2 air2pc cards I got off ebay a while back

[17:49:30]

Dagmar:

Oh now there's an ida

[17:49:34]

Dagmar:

s/ida/idea/;

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sphery:

jackson: You have one storage group with the name Default. Within each storage group, there's a, er, "group" of directories.

[17:49:50]

tyce_:

jonK: my newton still works as well... I just find the iPhone a little easier to lug around now ;)

[17:49:54]

Dagmar:

a "no button remote" like the clapper that detects the user barking

[17:50:25]

Dagmar:

It would make for a nice phony commercial on YouTube

[17:50:38]

hnitsuj:

Dagmar: one whine for 'play'

[17:50:49]

tyce_:

Dagmar: only button missing on the apple remote if a button that simulates the 'end' key for skipping commercials ;)

[17:50:54]

sphery:

jackson: So, you have multiple directories in Default, meaning that (each host of your) Myth will iterate over all the directories in (its definition of) the storage group.

[17:50:56]

Dagmar:

I was thinking something along the lines of someone sitting on the couch, barking like a dog.

[17:51:22]

Dagmar:

tyce: Well, there's soem people who have gotten it into their heads that Myth should be able to use a six button remote

[17:51:28]

hnitsuj:

at the end of the ad, cut to little girl saying "I love mythtv, but it won't bring daddy back will it mommy?"

[17:51:33]

Dagmar:

i.e., they'd like to make eveyrthing go through a menu.

[17:51:35]

jonK:

what type of storage requirements you finding?

[17:51:36]

Dagmar:

0 WAF there

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Dagmar:

hnitsuj: If "Daddy" is the one on the couch barking, then I think we have a storyboard. :)

[17:52:25]

tyce_:

Dagmar: ahh... no, I don't agree there.

[17:52:28]

hnitsuj:

brilliant!

[17:52:31]

jackson:

sphery, yes, thanks – I was wanting a sql query to find which directory a particular recording is in, but it doens't look like myth keeps track of what directory in the storagegroup the recording is to be found.

[17:52:35]

sphery:

jonK: I had 4TB. I may have lost 1.5TB of it in a PSU failure.... Back to that...

[17:52:57]

Thomas-:

sphery: multiple drive failure?

[17:52:59]

sphery:

jackson: why are you doing SQL? Are you creating a script or something?

[17:53:05]

hnitsuj:

I love those spoof ads that are pretty bad taste – similar to the Mr Hankey board game spots in South Park

[17:53:20]

jackson:

sphery, yeah, a simple script to call vlc to transcode/stream that recording file.

[17:53:34]

sphery:

Thomas-: Haven't done anything besides turn off the PSU. Still can't go into the room for long because of the smell of burning solder/PCB...

[17:53:51]

sphery:

jackson: You may want to take a look at the Perl bindings...

[17:53:55]

hnitsuj:

sphery: got a line conditioner/UPS ?

[17:53:58]

Thomas-:

sphery: ok, so hopefully your disks are fine

[17:54:09]

sphery:

They have a lot of features (including support for storagegroups).

[17:54:26]

jackson:

sphery, I will do so. Thanks for the help.

[17:54:28]

Dagmar:

In theory, using the perl bindings would be more future-proof

[17:54:29]

sphery:

Thomas-: No, but I think it was the (cheap) PSU.

[17:54:35]

hnitsuj:

sphery: just thinking is all.. maybe you can get something out of them for the PSU & anything broken ;)

[17:54:45]

Dagmar:

...and probably less hassle than writing SQL statements directly.

[17:54:45]

sphery:

Out of whom?

[17:54:55]

hnitsuj:

sphery: if you have a conditioner/UPS

[17:55:04]

hnitsuj:

they usually have warranties...

[17:55:09]

Dagmar:

Those warranties don't cover normal failures

[17:55:10]

sphery:

... and much more likely to work long term (as Myth changes the DB schema)

[17:55:27]

Dagmar:

You only "win" the $10,000 if lightning strikes the house and kills your equipment through the UPS

[17:55:47]

sphery:

hnitsuj: This was a PSU that came with a case (thus the cheap), so it probably doesn't warrant anything. :)

[17:55:55]

hnitsuj:

hmmmm

[17:56:05]

Dagmar:

What was the name of that Taiwanese company again?

[17:56:14]

hnitsuj:

easy to make crowbar protection for all your rails

[17:56:27]

hnitsuj:

get some FETs, resistors & zener diodes :)

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Dagmar:

I just kinda quit trusting throw-in PSUs some years back

[17:56:50]

sphery:

hnitsuj was right: HappyExplodyPSUCorp of Taiwan

[17:56:50]

hnitsuj:

very well worth doing actually

[17:56:50]

hnitsuj:

heheheh

[17:57:04]

hnitsuj:

we serve long times, til no worky more

[17:57:04]

Dagmar:

The last straw for me was one that only supplied 11.2V

[17:57:10]

sphery:

I think I'm getting high off the smoke...

[17:57:23]

sphery:

Dagmar: on the 5V rail?

[17:57:28]

hnitsuj:

well, time to go home. car shoppy shoppy tomorrow :)

[17:57:29]

Dagmar:

No, on the 12V rail

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sphery:

Yeah, joking.

[17:57:55]

Dagmar:

250W PSU that looked like it was only capable of dealing with a load of about 185W

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mkargar__:

how to change size OSD font?

[17:58:36]

Thomas-:

buy bigger tv

[17:59:16]

Dagmar:

mkargar__: In the frontend menus under Appearance somewhere I suspect

[17:59:24]

Thomas-:

mkargar__: it's in the settings, just browse under playback

[18:00:22]

** mkrufky is one of the Oceanic 6 **

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sphery:

mkrufky: You just spoiled tonight's episode. They were going to tell us who the last one was...

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[18:09:09]

iamlindoro_:

mkrufky, You may not have noticed, but it's not exactly going well for those 6 ;)

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[18:10:37]

mkrufky:

hehe

[18:10:42]

mkrufky:

yeah, im already dead

[18:10:46]

mkrufky:

... but im here

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mkrufky:

i think that "those 6" are one-by-one getting "unstuck" in time.... thats why hurley asked jack if he was coming by to check on him, to see if he was "gonna tell"

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[18:13:58]

|Torg|:

I thougt Desmond fixed that with Penny

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[18:18:36]

mkrufky:

desmond fixed it in HIS case, |Torg|

[18:19:09]

mkrufky:

|Torg|: note, in the episode, Fariday's note to himself, "if anything goes wrong, Desmond Hume is *my* constant"

[18:19:36]

|Torg|:

yes, I did notice that

[18:20:35]

mkrufky:

btw, if you didnt see "The Orchid" Dharma station video, google it now

[18:20:49]

|Torg|:

the one with the rabbit?

[18:20:52]

mkrufky:

hehe yes

[18:20:57]

|Torg|:

yea I saw it

[18:21:07]

mkrufky:

and thats NOT the rabbit that Ben was asking about last week, either

[18:21:34]

mkrufky:

Ben was referring to a DIFFERENT rabbit with a number on it — the rabit he used to coax Sawyer in Season 3, episode 5

[18:21:41]

mkrufky:

<-- obsessed

[18:22:01]

|Torg|:

what was the number on the rabbit? 23?

[18:22:17]

mkrufky:

i believe it was rabit #23 that he used to fool sawyer

[18:22:25]

mkrufky:

but it was rabit #15 in the Orchid video

[18:22:55]

|Torg|:

you know about the reocuring numbers, right?

[18:23:00]

mkrufky:

yes

[18:23:09]

mkrufky:

formula for the destruction of humanity

[18:23:25]

|Torg|:

Valenzi or something like that quation

[18:23:31]

mkrufky:

yes

[18:23:59]

mkrufky:

they are trying to change the numbers — thats why it was broadcasting from that tower all those years until Danielle changed it

[18:24:44]

mkrufky:

i believe that there are different numbers being broadcast in each parallel universe

[18:25:03]

mkrufky:

and the numbers that ben used to open the safe come from a different parallel universe

[18:25:22]

mkrufky:

(i can back up the parallel universe theory, if you like, but it is a long-winded explanation)

[18:25:45]

|Torg|:

I think so too, but I belive they are sing quasi string theroy science type thinking

[18:26:01]

|Torg|:

its more plausable the the alian thery, even if it is psudo science

[18:26:02]

mkrufky:

i dont disagree

[18:26:40]

mkrufky:

yes — depending on the tangent to the island in which you approach, depicts the parallel universe that you may or may not get unstuck to

[18:26:53]

mkrufky:

there is absolutely NO time travel involved, whatsoever

[18:27:12]

PatrickDK:

it's no fun without time travel

[18:27:29]

|Torg|:

if you extrapolate time as the 4th dimention, technialy to us as 3 demontional beings time is an illusion

[18:27:31]

iamlindoro_:

sure, just ask any non-original-series Star Trek

[18:27:46]

|Torg|:

so time travel is about exal to simply traving one of thoe tangents

[18:27:58]

|Torg|:

hence my belief they use quasi string thery

[18:28:00]

mkrufky:

there is no time travel — instead, think of it as a series of parallel universes, each with their own various time offsets

[18:28:23]

mkrufky:

-- thats is why one's perception of time on the island may be different that that off the island

[18:28:44]

|Torg|:

yes but I dont belive its paralel universes as much as it is space time warping

[18:28:57]

|Torg|:

its all just guesses tho

[18:29:03]

mkrufky:

brb hardware needs my attention

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[18:29:34]

iamlindoro_:

You hardware needs my attention, too. Feel free to send one over. No need for plastic cases, I'll be just fine.

[18:34:46]

mkrufky:

im back

[18:35:02]

mkrufky:

haha different hardware — this was a tiny usb thingie

[18:35:03]

|Torg|:

did you ship the hardware to iamlindoro?

[18:35:08]

mkrufky:

ha!

[18:35:18]

|Torg|:

fine then, ship it to me :P

[18:35:22]

iamlindoro_:

You can send me that tiny USB thingie

[18:35:23]

mkrufky:

i'd like to see one in my own living room, first

[18:35:30]

iamlindoro_:

So long as it takes Y Pb Pr

[18:35:41]

mkrufky:

here's a hint hint.....

[18:35:46]

mkrufky:

i like to talk about stuff....

[18:35:57]

mkrufky:

but if you ask questions i cant answer, all i can do is NOT talk

[18:36:00]

mkrufky:

do we want that?

[18:36:37]

** iamlindoro_ scratches his head. **

[18:36:57]

** mkrufky clears throat **

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** |Torg| can not answer qetiosn about we as a whole, only he as an individual **

[18:37:05]

mkrufky:

that was my evil twin brother — he's gone now

[18:37:28]

mkrufky:

i sent him back to the island usi ng ben's wormhole

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|Torg|:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:24-cell.gif

[18:38:16]

mkrufky:

what's that for?

[18:38:34]

|Torg|:

its a 4d layout of what a tesseract, or something lik a tesseract is

[18:38:53]

mkrufky:

awesome!

[18:38:56]

|Torg|:

sorta why your paralel universe is roughly equiviemnt to my warped space thery

[18:39:11]

|Torg|:

but im an eletrical enginner not a quantum physicist :P

[18:39:14]

mkrufky:

omg, i see it!

[18:39:35]

mkrufky:

i think ben knows how to tesser

[18:39:54]

|Torg|:

watch for the cube that is "moving" though space as time. in fact its not rely moving at all, the 4d object is just being turned

[18:39:58]

mkrufky:

hehe is that a word, or is this conversation now limited to the intersection of jj abrams and madeline l'engle ?

[18:40:29]

mkrufky:

yes, i see what you mean — this is a great way to visually explain my lost theory

[18:40:37]

mkrufky:

and the fact that we both have the same theory.... hmmmm

[18:40:43]

|Torg|:

I wonder if there is a blender of that somewhere

[18:40:49]

mkrufky:

sounds like we're probably right — i hope we're wrong — it's more fun that way

[18:40:56]

iamlindoro_:

I tend to look at all the crackpot LOST theories through the lens of "what can they ultimately make the average, casual LOST watcher understand."

[18:41:05]

iamlindoro_:

Which is why I generally discard any really complicated theory.

[18:41:06]

|Torg|:

its more like were both right, just looking at it in a differnt way.

[18:41:11]

sphery:

That's very suspicious... On the day my PSU explodes, I get an e-mail from newegg, "Lucky You! Antec Sweepstakes," ... where I can win a new Antec PSU. http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Mar-0-20 . . . -Sweepstakes

[18:41:12]

|Torg|:

but after all its just fiction

[18:41:26]

mkrufky:

true

[18:41:42]

|Torg|:

I dont consider the theory crackpot as much as psudo science

[18:41:54]

mkrufky:

and iamlindoro has a good poinmt — i've written off too many theories simply because i dont think that the general population of television watchers are smart enough to handle it

[18:42:20]

iamlindoro_:

All that said, I'm satisfied so long as *I* end up understanding it :)

[18:42:36]

|Torg|:

I think mot TV watches would belive it was Elvis in a space ship

[18:43:13]

mkrufky:

haha

[18:44:19]

jackson:

sphery, I received the same email – Ill need to check for blown psus now...

[18:46:11]

mkrufky:

next week is a ben episode

[18:46:18]

mkrufky:

i think we'll find out about the smoke monster

[18:46:46]

iamlindoro_:

mkrufky, I read an lindelhof interview that said the monster wouldn't be explained until the last few eps on the whole series

[18:47:08]

iamlindoro_:

er of the

[18:47:43]

mkrufky:

ooooh!

[18:47:52]

mkrufky:

i heard otherwise, but i do not trust my source

[18:48:18]

iamlindoro_:

Meh, certainly wouldn't mind finding out :) They appear to be answer questions slowly but surely

[18:48:22]

iamlindoro_:

answering

[18:48:34]

mkrufky:

well, i feel like they now are answering too much and too quickly

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mkrufky:

part of the fun is the mystery — i want to keep wondering some things

[18:50:01]

iamlindoro_:

The fun part is being *right* about the mystery, or we'd never hatch theories :)

[18:50:15]

mkrufky:

true

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mkrufky:

well, ive been right about most things so far... and im hoping that im wrong about some other stuff, cuz if im right about everything, then it means that the show is predictable

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|Torg|:

or that you think like the writers

[18:51:20]

mkrufky:

good point

[18:51:26]

mkrufky:

ok, what about tonight's episode?

[18:51:35]

mkrufky:

i'd LIKE to think Sun gets off the island

[18:51:40]

mkrufky:

because she'll die, otherwise

[18:51:54]

mkrufky:

but... well, her getting off is predictable... so, i think it wont be her

[18:51:58]

pembo13_com:

iamlindoro, well i took some canned air and a vacumn cleaner to it, took it apart, rebuilt it

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pembo13_com:

iamlindoro, now everything seems to work fiine

[18:52:13]

mkrufky:

and EVERYBODY thinks it's michael on the boat — i think they're trying to throw us off

[18:52:21]

iamlindoro_:

Heh, that's a cheap fix, good!

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mkrufky:

wouldnt it be more interesting if it were Charlie, or AnnaLucia ?

[18:53:24]

mkrufky:

also, i think that Lupidus was wrong — and it really was the real flight 815 underwater — from a parallel universe

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pembo13_com:

iamlindoro_, i discovered a blown capacitor on my still working AGP video card though

[18:53:40]

mkrufky:

his phone call claiminf that it wasnt matt parkman the pilot, just to throw us off

[18:53:51]

iamlindoro_:

pembo13_com, Yuck, but at least easily replaceable

[18:53:51]

mkrufky:

er, greg grunberg

[18:53:52]

pembo13_com:

iamlindoro_, ordered some capacitors in the hopes of just replacing it

[18:54:04]

pembo13_com:

yup

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pembo13_com:

iamlindoro_, thanks for your assistance

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iamlindoro_:

very welcome

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mkrufky:

popquiz:

[19:24:25]

iamlindoro_:

Yes

[19:24:26]

iamlindoro_:

No

[19:24:27]

iamlindoro_:

57

[19:24:30]

iamlindoro_:

Deluth

[19:24:36]

iamlindoro_:

Spiro Agnew

[19:24:40]

iamlindoro_:

Did I get it?

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro are you a ,ythtv developer?

[19:24:57]

iamlindoro_:

No :)

[19:25:12]

iamlindoro_:

"then shut the hell up," right? :)

[19:26:11]

mkrufky:

hehe

[19:26:12]

mkrufky:

ok, brb

[19:26:13]

AndyCap:

are there any ,ythtv developers at all?

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Aval0n:

what's a ,ythtv developer?

[19:29:59]

Aval0n:

:P

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mkrufky:

no soup for you!

[19:30:28]

iamlindoro_:

leave the man alone, he has the precioussssssss

[19:31:04]

mkrufky:

:-)

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** mkrufky disappears for a few minutes **

[19:32:09]

GreyFoxx:

/topic

[19:32:11]

GreyFoxx:

oops

[19:32:14]

GreyFoxx:

stupid spacebar

[19:33:26]

sphery:

Nice. PSU exploded (and stunk up the house), but the mobo, capture cards, and HDD's all survived. :D

[19:33:42]

sphery:

Now to just get a real PSU instead of running on a "donut spare"

[19:33:52]

GreyFoxx:

ouch!

[19:34:28]

sphery:

Could have been much worse. A (cheap) PSU failing is not a bad thing.

[19:36:07]

GreyFoxx:

Hmmm that thread about using a storage group for mythvideo content seems to have faded away.... wonder if any code was produced

[19:36:51]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: gnassus doesn't tend to break things down into bite-sized patches.

[19:37:13]

sphery:

I'm expecting a huge "this patch changes: a – z" all at once..

[19:37:39]

GreyFoxx:

with a dvdchanger coming the using of a storagegroup for feeding mythvideo content suddenly becomes useful to me :)

[19:38:12]

GreyFoxx:

though I'm sure I could do it via an nfsmount, but that just seems less clean

[19:38:23]

Anduin:

GreyFoxx: As far as I know George N is still working on it

[19:38:27]

iamlindoro_:

/dev/sda-z, /dev/sdaa-z, /dev/sdab-z...

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GreyFoxx:

Anduin: Sweet

[19:38:53]

Anduin:

GreyFoxx: He did post something (I believe), I haven't looked at it.

[19:38:55]

GreyFoxx:

I'll also need to modify the upnp stuff to work with it but that likely wont be too much

[19:38:59]

sphery:

Yeah. I need some of the changes that patch is making (storage group type) to clean up things like backend status page (which shows DB Backups filesystems even if they're not used for recordings) and MythWeb's storage group combo on the page to create a new recording rule.

[19:39:37]

sphery:

Anduin: AFAIR, he posted some changes for the storagegroup class itself, but I don't think he had posted any of the MythVideo changes, yet.

[19:40:55]

Anduin:

sphery: You are probably right, still worth contacting him directly though.

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sphery:

Yeah. I'm sure he has much of the code already written.

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4623 is the StorageGroup change patch

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jamesd:

damm, original star trek is given a whole new life when watched on Digital TV, it never looked this good back in the day...

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mkrufky:

lol iamlindoro, spiro agrewq

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mkrufky:

argh typos

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, long time no see-- thought we would never find out what the pop quiz is

[20:27:49]

mkrufky:

yeah, well i was in a certain mood then

[20:27:54]

mkrufky:

i just wanted to know.....

[20:28:12]

mkrufky:

who is it that works on dealing with new streaming device types in this developer circle?

[20:28:44]

mkrufky:

or is it just, "if ffmpeg can handle it, so can mythtv" ?

[20:30:03]

mkrufky:

i should have changed nicks for that question... it's a dumb one

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iamlindoro_:

I think janneg would probably be the guy to talk to

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mkrufky:

ok, cool

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iamlindoro_:

He has been doing to ffmpeg syncs IIRC

[20:30:35]

mkrufky:

ah

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mkrufky:

ok, i made a mental note ... thanks

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iamlindoro_:

and it may well be just a matter of getting a pretty recent ffmpeg sync (which I think he does on his own personal codebase every few weeks) but there's the other stuff like adding it to mythtv-setup as a capture card type, and I'm sure he would know who would do that or do so himself

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mkrufky:

ok

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mkrufky:

side note: hdhomerun sdk supports full TS, but...... mythtv does not support multirec on the hdhomerun

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iamlindoro_:

Is that right? Thought someone had fixed that

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mkrufky:

not in the build that i installed this week

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mkrufky:

maybe a newer build has that fixed

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iamlindoro_:

bummer

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iamlindoro_:

naw, I doubt it's changed much

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A08:

Hello everyon – is anyone experiencing problems with 5.1 AC3 sound in 0.21?

[20:33:06]

mkrufky:

yeah, bummer... but on the brightside, since i am not doing full TS with my hdhomerun, i am NOT saturating my lan

[20:33:19]

A08:

...in my case the output of the center is missing – thus no dialogs...

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|Torg|:

A08 that would be an alsa config that is doing it, how do you connect AC3 to eventualy your speakers

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A08:

it's a simple 5.1 setup (analog via live)

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A08:

mplayer doesn't have the issue

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|Torg|:

do you have myth on AC3 passthough?

[20:35:25]

iamlindoro_:

A08, myth was patched for multichannel out, odds are you haven't adjusted those settings (I wouldn't know how as I use passthrough)

[20:35:36]

A08:

nope – checked that.

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|Torg|:

then myth dosnt do anything to it other then pass it to alsa, your ooutput is it alsa:default?

[20:36:28]

A08:

it was initially set for passthrough but I've disabled that already.

[20:36:51]

A08:

i have to double-check – is this a setting in the generals-settings?

[20:37:02]

ikke_:

howdy, could anyone give a hand in tuning problems. I can't tune into some multiplexes. getting no-tables and no-signal

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|Torg|:

this may be as simple as the connection is loose, but I, like iamlindoro, simply passthrough to an AV reciver

[20:39:41]

A08:

audio output is set to "Default" – but the tool tip says it is only used with passthrough. Max speakers is 5.1. It used to work just fine on 0.20

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|Torg|:

pastebin your alsa.conf

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|Torg|:

also pastebeind what aplay -l and aplay -L says

[20:40:44]

_dagger_:

My mythweb no long has mouseover popups on listings/upcoming. Did the shut them off or do I have something broken?

[20:42:09]

_dagger_:

I can't type. Add 'er' and 'y' where necessary.

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|Torg|:

dagger its just javascript, did you block it with your browser?

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xris:

_dagger_: are you getting javascript errors?

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A08:

you mean the one from /usr/share/alsa? – it is the default one and I haven't touched it – no file sourced by it does exist (~.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf)

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_dagger_:

No...I think the problem has something to do with the SVN versions I was using. I don't get an error and I don't get the popups. Just nothing.

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|Torg|:

A08 asound.conf or .asoundrc depending on how you do it

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|Torg|:

ok dagger, what svn version are you using?

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A08:

i don't modify the alsa conf – so no .asoundrc or asound.conf does exist

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_dagger_:

I was (when they stopped working). I'm now on the stable (atrpms) version of mythweb. mythweb-0.21–182.fc8

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|Torg|:

A08 you did something, unless you have a sound card that automagickly worls with alsa, whats aplay _l say

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|Torg|:

err -L

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A08:

mplayer using alsa with -channels 6 does not show the same problem, so I doubt it has anything to do with alsa...

[20:45:46]

A08:

I have a soundblaster live 5.1 – old model.

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xris:

_dagger_: please rephrase your question, then... "was" vs "now"?

[20:46:36]

otwin:

_dagger_: mouseover in firefox is ok here, but not opera

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_dagger_:

It stopped working in a bleeding release and still doesn't work. I did a force reinstall of the rpm to get rid of anything that shouldn't be there and I'm now using version mythweb-0.21–182.fc8.

[20:47:29]

A_:

any suggestions on an apple tv like frontend that has svideo or composite out? The wiki entries are kinda dated.

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|Torg|:

A08 let me put it this way, all the sound cards I have ever used, or seen used, oout via DSP. The default behavior for all those DSPs are 2-channel out. Many tie two or more DSPs to give 5.1/7.1, some do nothing and bypass it to spdif. But all of them requrie settings to go to anthing BUT 2 channel default stereo.

[20:47:33]

_dagger_:

Mine doesn't work in IE or firefox. I'm thinking it's shut some var off saying I don't want them but for the life of me I can't find it.

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xris:

_dagger_: and are you getting javascript errors, or just nothing at all?

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_dagger_:

Nothing at all.

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_dagger_:

And when I look at the html, I don't see any 'onmouseover' code...tho it might be in the includes now.

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xris:

the popups are javascript, so I need to know if there's an error, or if the javascript just isn't being printed to the page.

[20:48:26]

xris:

which template are you using? default or lite?

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_dagger_:

default

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xris:

what about presence of "new Tip" (doesn't use onmouseover events like the old library)

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_dagger_:

It has those: http://www.travelware.net/shad/upcoming.txt You can view the source of that.... (which gets errors but doesn't on my mythweb cuz of the includes)

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xris:

not sure what you mean.. "gets errors" vs "doesn't get errors"? what includes?

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_dagger_:

Meaning it doesn't get them when I run it in mythweb...that was just an html save. Maybe I can fake up my error so you can see. Give me a min.

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xris:

_dagger_: that's not what the mythweb page source looks like, though.. that whole list of "new tip" stuff shouldn't be there since that stuff is dynamically generated.. Please use "view source" not something that saves the source AFTER the browser has done DOM magic on it to clean things up.

[20:58:15]

xris:

you must be getting SOME kind of javascript error.. either with the actual tool tips, or when the protip library is loaded.. either that or you have some browser plugin that's blocking the css class of the popup items

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_dagger_:

I just figured it out....I was using the gray skin...when I changed back to default, everything works.

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A08:

Torg – the default setup (gentoo) probably has a modification of some sort – but it is no different than the default from ALSA where it is called "surround51" – aplay -L lists this one as well...

[21:06:47]

xris:

sounds like they gray skin never got updated for the new popup stuff...

[21:06:54]

A08:

...in the config of mythtv I can select only two passthroughs – one is default and one is surround51 – or can I manually change that somehow?

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xris:

guess I forgot to delete it before .21 was released

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_dagger_:

You're the developer? It's pretty rockin' otherwise. :)

[21:08:08]

xris:

:)

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xris:

one of them.

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|Torg|:

A08 you should be able to put the output as alsa:surround51

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A08:

tried it – same result.

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|Torg|:

then I would look to see what surround51 was in alsa

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A08:

I don't think it is an alsa problem as mplayer uses the same config without issues and 0.20 had no problems as well – the mplayer line

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A08:

includes -ao alsa -channels 6

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otwin:

ah, was using grey theme in opera and default in ff – so mouseover works in opera with default template

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A08:

unless you know of a "secret setting" in mythtv since 0.21 I think there might be a bug in it.

[21:14:31]

|Torg|:

if you can play it without giving extra options to mplayer then I would agree with you, you should be able to play ac3 with mplayer witout adding ANY special -ao options if setup correctly for defautl playing of AC3

[21:14:50]

|Torg|:

and again mythv does not modify, in any way shape or form, the AC3 when you tell it to passthough

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A08:

I'll try – give me a second...

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psymin:

oh interesting, I won't be able to play a blu-ray disk from a blu-ray player .. I'll have to rip it?

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xris:

otwin: _dagger_ justan into that same problem.

[21:18:21]

xris:

I should probably just remove the gray skin since it apparently didn't get updated...

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iamlindoro_:

psymin, that is correct, not to mention patch mplayer and a half-dozen other things

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xris:

actually.. I should fix mythweb so that it cascades properly... so "gray" stuff overrides rather than replaces.

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A08:

if i pass it through without -channels 6, mplayer downmixes everything to two channels and puts them to my 5.1 setup like it is stereo!

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A08:

but with the -channels six the behaviour is correct

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|Torg|:

then you need to setup alsa with a default profile

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hnitsuj:

hmmm better not reply to the thread about the bbc iplayer plugin. I have enough enemies already

[21:21:40]

A08:

...actually the mplayer docs tell you that it will go to stereo unless you give it -channels 6

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A08:

the default is there and the funny bit is that the rear and front output different sound (even the center outputs something) but the center is completely missing!!

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A08:

- i mean what is supposed to get through the center is missing

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|Torg|:

actualy mplayer will putput 5.1 AC3 with no settng whatsoever in mplayer if alsa is setup as default for 5.1 digital or 5.1 digial-analog mix

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A08:

so you mean i should modify also so it uses 5.1 as default?

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|Torg|:

I mean mythtv is giving sound to the defulat output of alsa, that dfault is 2xDSP 4 channel sound

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A08:

i meant alsa

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A08:

...but still – why didn't it play correctly with alsa:surround51 than?

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iamlindoro_:

A08, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1104

[21:27:56]

iamlindoro_:

read through that-- multichannel audio is a long and ongoing set of changes-- perhaps some of that will be of use... check out the comment from dave 4 weeks ago

[21:28:05]

iamlindoro_:

would be curious if you get a similar log message on the frontend

[21:28:48]

iamlindoro_:

passthrough works pretty perfectly in my case, but analog 5.1 is probably far more difficult to get right. Maybe something from that ticket will help you

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A08:

DOH! – thanks iamlindoro – looking into the frontend logs made me think: "god damn this Torg guy is right and I am an idiot"...

[21:48:10]

iamlindoro_:

Was it any help?

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A08:

...you have to know due to the setup in my living room and the place where i was sitting configuring the box I couldn't see the right part of the screen...

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A08:

...and the logs told me it is using "oss" – ALL THE TIME i had the wrong output selected and was to stupid to make sense out of what Torg said :S

[21:49:10]

iamlindoro_:

Heh, well good, all's well that ends well

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PatrickDK:

heh? it's ending?

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A08:

...I've changed the wrong thing. I have another problem thought, but I doubt you can help me :D – if I insert a certain DVD "Open Season", the frontend segfaults most of the times and if i get through to the menu it segfaults once I start the movie.

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A08:

...it does not happen with any of the other DVDs I've tried so far (old and new ones)

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iamlindoro_:

A08, Frequently new DVDs have bad sectors introduced to make playing/copying them on computers difficult, that may well be causing the problem-- there was also a frontend DVD segfault issue with the first .21 release

[21:52:46]

iamlindoro_:

one or both of those may be at play for you-- what revision are you running? (mythfrontend --version

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iamlindoro_:

)

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A08:

i've used the gentoo ebuild 0.21-p16468

[21:54:03]

iamlindoro_:

I believe the DVD issue was fixed in 16483, but may be off on that number

[21:55:08]

iamlindoro_:

in any case, a few fixes have been added to the .21-fixes branch since your build, so it may be worth a rebuild-and-retry

[21:55:44]

iamlindoro_:

16518 is the last time .21-fixes was modified

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iamlindoro_:

16464 and 16483 are both patches for DVD playback

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, I'm goin home

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A08:

thank you very much!

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A08:

and thank you Torg – sorry that I wasted your time ;)

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, ps3 firmware 2.17 doesn't improve any ps3-related upnp bugs – though it DOES seem to have different opinions on alphabetical ordering

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|Torg|:

A08 its ok, I was on the phone most of the time.

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** mkrufky gotta go **

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mkrufky:

ttyl ppl

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blackest:

justin you got your upgrade yet ?

[22:14:05]

Dagmar:

Okay. This has me baffled

[22:14:14]

blackest:

mine went on today from 4 to 10 (actual 5.5)

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hnitsuj:

blackest: what upgrade?

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blackest:

broadband

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Dagmar:

MythWeb is coughing up a URL like hostname.kung.foo/pl/stream/12313242, but there doesn't appear to be a pl/ directory there at all so umm... what did I not catch that I should have edited?

[22:15:15]

blackest:

your on cable aint ya ?

[22:15:24]

hnitsuj:

blackest: had a glossy leaflet proclaiming we're gonna be upgraded 'before the end of the summer' but not heard owt else

[22:15:37]

hnitsuj:

frankly I'd rather stay on the same speed but pay less

[22:15:49]

blackest:

well it might be worth rebooting your cable modem

[22:16:44]

blackest:

electric went out this morning and i noticed vmware downloading at 667 instead of usual max 4xx and i found i was upgraded

[22:17:04]

blackest:

10240000 down 512000 up

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hnitsuj:

anyway got other things on my mind right now than broadband speed

[22:17:54]

blackest:

i'd trade half my down speed for double the up :)

[22:18:26]

blackest:

you got most things sorted since your break in ?

[22:18:39]

hnitsuj:

had locks changed

[22:18:59]

hnitsuj:

so far no insurance docs from the car insurance – been on the phone to them hassling every day

[22:19:13]

hnitsuj:

waiting for a decision on the home insurance payout, should hear tomorrow

[22:20:10]

blackest:

well they got no choice, they just get to demonstrate how much they wish you to continue being a customer

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xris:

Dagmar: mythweb.conf.apache... and the INSTALL file.

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blackest:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/12/iplay . . . wnload_hack/ seen this?

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directhex:

blackest, no longer functional

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directhex:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/13/iplay . . . hole_closed/

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blackest:

that was quick but i wonder how long it'll stay closed

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blackest:

best comment "What happened? Did all 400 Linux users start using the hack at the same time?"

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neb_:

hey, i upgraded to 0.21 and everything looks sweet except for the box that shows when you skip forward/back – it doesn't look good at all

[22:32:37]

neb_:

is it perhaps a known issue?

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directhex:

neb_, the OSD? what's wrong with it specifically?

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neb_:

it sort of flickers, its hard to explain

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neb_:

pause the recording, looks fine

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neb_:

play, starts flickering

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neb_:

everything else looks fine too

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directhex:

press "m" to bring up the menu. how does that look?

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neb_:

ah, thats dodgy too

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directhex:

okay, your osd is flickering

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directhex:

try changing something in the playback profiles

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directhex:

i find the gl renderer with gl osd make it all look sweet

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neb_:

playback or playback osd?

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A08:

neb_ – is it during live-tv? had this when changing from 0.20 to 0.21 – it was the "bob" interlace filter in my case – changing it to "kernel" solved it for me.

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neb_:

A08: nope, watching a recording

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directhex:

yeah, poking the deinterlacer will probably help too

[22:37:06]

directhex:

"greedy" is a sweet-looking deint

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directhex:

so is yadif

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neb_:

where abouts is that?

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A08:

...recorded from live-tv?

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Smirnov:

does anyone know what the bitrate is on the 720p movies from Xbox Live?

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neb_:

A08: sorry, yeah

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iamlindoro:

Smirnov: What is the file size and how long are they?

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directhex:

neb_, settings, tv playback. something like that

[22:38:56]

directhex:

don't make me look it up again, already done so once today

[22:39:10]

neb_:

:D

[22:39:15]

Dagmar:

xris: Been there, done that. It's probably something strange about the way Slackware's httpd.conf default is built.

[22:39:15]

** neb_ is poking **

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Smirnov:

iamlindoro: about 8GB, I figure ~2 hours ?

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Dagmar:

The LocationMatch directives don't seem to be sticking for some reason

[22:39:35]

Dagmar:

I'll figure it out later tonight I'm sure

[22:39:50]

iamlindoro:

10ish Mbit

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Smirnov:

what kind of quality is that in comparison with DVD,HDDVD, etc?

[22:40:29]

iamlindoro:

about a quarter the bitrate of HD-DVD/Bluray

[22:40:35]

iamlindoro:

BR goes up to 40

[22:40:44]

iamlindoro:

DVD spec maxes out at 9 Mbit

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directhex:

10 for dvd, isn't it? for *all* streams combined

[22:41:02]

iamlindoro:

And that's why downloaded content blows

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Dagmar:

xris: just so long as those are the only two expected places, Ic an be sure it's something peculiar to this box. Danke

[22:41:21]

iamlindoro:

Same bitrate at DVD, many times the resolution = poop

[22:41:26]

iamlindoro:

er as

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Smirnov:

I see.

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iamlindoro:

directhex: yeah, 9.8, you're right

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Smirnov:

stupid microsoft. for $6 that i can buy fake HD from xbox live, i can spend those $6 at blockbuster to rent a real bluray instead.

[22:50:07]

Smirnov:

some manager should get his eyes clawed out for being so braindead

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iamlindoro__:

Until you can get HD downloads w/ no DRM and in a proper bitrate and codec, I'll stick to buying my media

[22:52:28]

Smirnov:

agreed.

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Smirnov:

now if only those bastards would let us have bluray players on Linux, I'd be all set

[22:52:52]

Dagmar:

SHHHH!

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Dagmar:

You'll rile the lawyers!

[22:53:11]

** iamlindoro__ rips all his Blu-ray stuff into mythvideo anyway **

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A08:

_neb – it is in the "video profiles" hidden now – had to search again.

[22:53:23]

iamlindoro__:

I can't be bothered to stand up and put discs in things

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Smirnov:

i dont like ripping

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Smirnov:

isnt it lossy?

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iamlindoro__:

no

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Smirnov:

or do they have lossless ripping now?

[22:53:44]

iamlindoro__:

They've *always* had lossless ripping

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Smirnov:

ohh, I'm thinking of the other kind of ripping then.

[22:53:58]

iamlindoro__:

since DVD, CD, etc.

[22:54:00]

Smirnov:

does that preserve the menus, etc?

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PatrickDK:

lossless ripping is easy

[22:54:06]

iamlindoro__:

you're thinking of transcoding

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Dagmar:

If ripping is a lossy operation, the media is probably VHS magtape

[22:54:33]

PatrickDK:

yes, it keeps menu's if you want, and even previews/extra/... if you want

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Smirnov:

coool

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Smirnov:

how much GB on average ?

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iamlindoro__:

30–50/disk

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PatrickDK:

depends on the disk :)

[22:55:40]

iamlindoro__:

The film itself tends to run 20–32 GB

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PatrickDK:

dvd can hold up to 8gigs, and hddvd/blueray around 40–50gigs

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iamlindoro__:

HD-DVD maxes at 30

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PatrickDK:

ah, I just know the blueray specs

[22:56:12]

PatrickDK:

just know hddvd was less

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iamlindoro__:

all the same, there are about five blu-ray films that, for the film alone, wouldn't fit on an HD-DVD

[22:56:39]

Dagmar:

"20% less cost-effective in the absence of competition."

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Smirnov:

yikes 30GB

[22:57:18]

Smirnov:

so a 500GB HDD is about $100

[22:57:24]

Dagmar:

Yep

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Smirnov:

so every 16 movies i'd need to spend $100 extra

[22:57:44]

Dagmar:

BUY MOAR DISK is currently the cost-effective answer to a lot of problems

[22:57:48]

Smirnov:

or about $6.25 just to store a movie.

[22:57:52]

iamlindoro__:

yup

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Smirnov:

jesus thats expensive

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Smirnov:

how much does an empty bluray disk cost?

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PatrickDK:

$6.25 isn't bad

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iamlindoro__:

never bought one, no idea

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neb_:

A08: fancy giving me some more pointers? :p

[22:58:24]

Dagmar:

You won't get them for $6.25, that's for sure

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Smirnov:

well if it gets under thatm it will make sense.

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PatrickDK:

if you consider the movie itself is going cost you $30–40 what is 15% more?

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** Dagmar watches light bulbs begin to flicker **

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PatrickDK:

and if you where desperate/illegal, you could resell it on ebay?

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Smirnov:

yeah but at that price i might as well go to the movie theater

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PatrickDK:

too many noise people at movie theaters for me

[23:00:39]

PatrickDK:

and movie theater should have a better copy

[23:00:46]

PatrickDK:

I want real rips

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PatrickDK:

and real tv's to watch them on

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Smirnov:

does anyone know what the deal is with the letterboxing when watching blueray movies on my 1080p TV?

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PatrickDK:

full 12gigabit movies :)

[23:01:19]

Smirnov:

am i losing resolution there?

[23:01:20]

Dagmar:

Your screen is "only" 16:9

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Smirnov:

or is there too many pixels in width for my TV to handle?

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iamlindoro__:

No

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directhex:

movies are usually 2.35:1

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directhex:

your tv is 16:

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iamlindoro__:

films are frequently shot in 2.35:1

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directhex:

16:9

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Smirnov:

ok

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Dagmar:

That lets them use widescreen AND have the classy looking letterboxing, too

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Dagmar:

;)

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Smirnov:

i dont get it

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Smirnov:

are the movies still the same amount of pixels per frame?

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Dagmar:

You forget that these companies actually hate for you to have money

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iamlindoro__:

You TV is a different shape than the film, make more sense?

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PatrickDK:

so movie screens are 47:20

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Smirnov:

No no i get that.

[23:02:56]

Smirnov:

do I get ripped off on the pixels though?

[23:03:13]

PatrickDK:

letterbox resizes the screen to keep text readable

[23:03:19]

Smirnov:

like is is 1920x817

[23:03:22]

iamlindoro__:

so to put a 2.35:1 movie in a home resolution, 1920x108, they either have to cut off some picture or letterbox it

[23:03:22]

PatrickDK:

widescreen resizes it to make it fit on the screen

[23:03:33]

Smirnov:

or is it actually 2538x1080 ?

[23:03:34]

Dagmar:

patrick: Put down the bong

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Smirnov:

thats what i am asking

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PatrickDK:

heh :)

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Smirnov:

or something in between ?

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iamlindoro__:

Smirnov: it's 1920x1080 in the stream, but a chunk of those are black pixels

[23:04:00]

Smirnov:

ok so its 1920x817.

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Dagmar:

Smirnov: if there's one thing you can be sure of, it's that _the pixels are not going to be square anymore_

[23:04:06]

Smirnov:

basically those fuckers ripped me off

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iamlindoro__:

No

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Dagmar:

Don't assume that the actual resolution and aspect ratio are linked in ANY way anymore

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Smirnov:

how not?

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iamlindoro__:

Who ripped you off?

[23:04:22]

Smirnov:

you said a chunk of tohse are black pixels

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iamlindoro__:

No resizing is happening in that picture...

[23:04:36]

Dagmar:

Oh no they sold him cut-rate "skinnied" pixels

[23:05:05]

Smirnov:

ok are you saying the movie is SKEWED to fit 1920x1080 and then when they render it on TV, it unskews it to normal ?

[23:05:13]

iamlindoro__:

No.

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iamlindoro__:

Stop jumping to conclusions.

[23:05:22]

Smirnov:

then how else can it be done...

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Dagmar:

Smirnov: Teh pixels. Dey are not squares you see

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Smirnov:

eithre you skew it , or those blacks are actual pixels

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Dagmar:

They are NOT SQUARE.

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iamlindoro__:

They *are* actual black pixels

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iamlindoro__:

That doesn't mean you got ripped off

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Justin__:

just to chime in, when you are talking about resolution and aspect ratio, you have to realize there are also different PIXEL aspect ratios... not all pixels are square

[23:05:59]

Smirnov:

so that means i get ripped off because some of the bitrate is used for worthless black pixels

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Dagmar:

Hell, I just think he's got a 16:9 screen and he's trying to watch a 2.35:1 movie

[23:06:14]

Dagmar:

DUDE,

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iamlindoro__:

Smirnov: the bitrate of black is practically nothing

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Dagmar:

They do NOT encode the bloody black letterboxing in the video stream

[23:06:32]

Dagmar:

That would be "dumb. as. hell."

[23:06:33]

Smirnov:

ok

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Smirnov:

fine

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Justin__:

if it's black pixels the bitrate would essential be 0 for those portions of the screen, if you are talking about spatial/temporal compression

[23:06:45]

Smirnov:

is there any way to crop it so i can watch the movie in 16:9

[23:06:48]

iamlindoro__:

Justin__: Yes, you are correct.

[23:06:56]

Dagmar:

Smirnov: The video stream has two bits of metadata in it that you might want to learn about

[23:07:03]

iamlindoro__:

Smirnov: Why do you want to give up part of the picture?

[23:07:05]

Dagmar:

Smirnov: ONe is the aspect ratio of the recording.

[23:07:23]

iamlindoro__:

If you player has a zoom mode (as myth does) then you can zoom and cut off the sides... but what a waste.

[23:07:24]

Smirnov:

iamlindoro__: cause i dont really care about useless stuff happening on the corners of the screen, id rather it take up 100% of my TV

[23:07:29]

Dagmar:

Smirnov: The other is the actual RESOLUTION of each frame of video... because these. are. not. tied. to. each. other.

[23:07:40]

iamlindoro__:

Smirnov: Ever heard of "pan and scan?"

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Dagmar:

There's no reason to ever encode black bars into the video

[23:07:54]

Smirnov:

iamlindoro__: not that i recall

[23:07:58]

Justin__:

for ntsc broadcast :)

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Smirnov:

Dagmar: tell that to those fuckers at SciFi SD

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iamlindoro__:

Smirnov: It's what happens when they make non-widescreen movies from 2.35:1 sources

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Dagmar:

You can take a 1024x768 video of square pixels and change that tag to say it's actually 16:9 and the player will stretch it to be that ratio

[23:09:02]

Dagmar:

*sigh*

[23:09:21]

Justin__:

there is a really good clip of i think walter murch completely bashing pan and scan

[23:09:22]

Dagmar:

What the SCiFi channel is doing is sane

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iamlindoro__:

Smirnov: They have to add panning over the video so that you can see the characters that they place on the edge-- if you zoom a 2.35:1 movie up to 16:9, you *will* miss important stuff going on in the movie, because any decent cinematographer and director will place the actors at teh extremes of the frame for beautiful visual effect

[23:09:47]

Dagmar:

HD != Widescreen, necessarily

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Smirnov:

iamlindoro__: ok so what can i do about 16:9 then

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Dagmar:

Sci-Fi does what they do so they can send the same image to both networks, but one with much higher detail

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Justin__:

smirnov: there is nothing to do. keep the aspect ratio, keep the black bars, and enjoy the film

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iamlindoro__:

When you have a 2.35:1 frame w/ two characters talking to one another, they are seldom standing in the middle. You can learn to watch 2.35:1 in 16:9. You are not getting ripped off, you are not giving anything up. You *will* be if you zoom the picture

[23:11:02]

PatrickDK:

smirnov, get a bigger tv?

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Dagmar:

Use "Full" mode to zoom sci-fi HD and the black bars go away

[23:11:31]

Smirnov:

PatrickDK: theres actually 2.35 TVs???

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Smirnov:

Dagmar: i was talking about SD not HD

[23:11:56]

Dagmar:

Smirnov: Rule number one... no matter how expensive something might be to make, *some* company makes it if it could be used for home theater

[23:11:57]

Smirnov:

Dagmar: HD is pretty good but for some reason i think its a lower bitrate then other HD channels cause the channel is fucked up for me

[23:12:02]

PatrickDK:

no, I mean, if you have a 42" tv, get a 56" tv, so the usable screen area on the 56" is the same as the 42" :)

[23:12:07]

Smirnov:

has anyone else noticed ScifiHD artifact problems?

[23:12:13]

Smirnov:

like when lots of shit moves around

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Dagmar:

Smirnov: Then next time say your problem is with the SD channel not the HD channel

[23:12:30]

Dagmar:

Smirnov: same answer applies. _hit W three times_

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Smirnov:

Dagmar: i have switched from 1 problem to another.

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Smirnov:

what is "W 3 times" ?

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Justin__:

smirnov: it's like that on all digital broadcasts to some extent

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Dagmar:

Smirnov: Turns on bloody "Full" zoom mode

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Smirnov:

PatrickDK: gahhh, not fair

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Justin__:

low bitrate encoding

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Smirnov:

Dagmar: uh.. ok

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Dagmar:

"It makes the black bars go away"

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Smirnov:

Justin__: yeah but it seems to be particularly worse for ScifiHD

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Smirnov:

Dagmar: i know that!

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Dagmar:

SciFi Channel treats the area outside a 16:9 stencil in 4:3 aspect as overscan area now

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Smirnov:

unfortunately my TV has no "full" mode that works for 2.35:1

[23:14:07]

Justin__:

well if you are talking about their original content, they may shoot it on crappy hd cams.

[23:14:09]

Dagmar:

They don't show anything 2.35:1 on there but once in a blue moon

[23:14:31]

Dagmar:

You're talking about the one network I watch like 20+ hours a week of

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Justin__:

well it could be your content provider not giving them much bandwidth, or they just do a crappy job encoding

[23:15:26]

Smirnov:

Justin__: why would that matter? cams are all raw arent they

[23:15:36]

Justin__:

no

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Smirnov:

Dagmar: lol, i moved on to another topic, stick with me :P

[23:15:58]

Smirnov:

Dagmar: have you noticed scifihd compression having more issues than other hd channels?

[23:16:06]

Justin__:

most cams shot HIGHLY compressed and subsampled

[23:16:09]

Dagmar:

Hassle your cable provider then

[23:16:19]

iamlindoro__:

Smirnov: Every headend is going to have different muxing and bitrates for channels

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Justin__:

and even with raw, its only as good as the sensor

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Dagmar:

Comcast here sends low-demand channels, like QVC, down the pipe with all the bandwidth of a dust-coverred 33.6K modem

[23:16:38]

iamlindoro__:

So unless anyone in this room is your neighbor, we will all have different headend engineering

[23:16:39]

Justin__:

and sensors arent that good yet

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Dagmar:

The HBOs are assigned 3x the bandwidth of the standard cable channels as well

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PatrickDK:

hhmm, crappy hd cams do like 4gigabit, good hd cams do 12gigabit

[23:17:55]

Smirnov:

Dagmar: hmm that could be why. comcast are fuckers

[23:18:10]

Justin__:

i always wondered about that, but how would they be recompressing all these channels when they are getting a live feed from somewhere?

[23:18:25]

iamlindoro__:

It's all done in headend hardware

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Smirnov:

hardware compression probably

[23:18:43]

Dagmar:

Not probably.

[23:18:50]

Dagmar:

For certain.

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PatrickDK:

it's all hardware compression

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Justin__:

i wish they would just rebroadcast the mpeg2 signal

[23:19:15]

Dagmar:

Pay moar dollars

[23:19:38]

iamlindoro__:

Justin__: They have to fit within the bandwidth they've got.

[23:20:05]

Justin__:

i know i know. its just that the bastards try to cram a million services down the pipe

[23:20:36]

iamlindoro__:

Justin__: and on the other hand, you take away some old ladies QVC and she'll firebomb the office, so they kinda have to do what they have to do

[23:21:01]

iamlindoro__:

Plus people are stupid and hear MOAR CHANLZ and think that the provider is somehow "better" than their competitor

[23:22:09]

Justin__:

well it doesn't necessarily mean its worth. a fiber optic network has a lot more bandwidth than a copper network

[23:22:13]

Justin__:

worse*

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iamlindoro__:

Only when the topology of that network is a star

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iamlindoro__:

and in the case of Fiber-to-the-home stuff, it's not

[23:22:59]

neb_:

you'd think so Justin__, but then you think of ntl and weep

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neb_:

(ntl being a provider in the uk)

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Justin__:

not familiar. in my area there is comcast cable and verizion fios... and while I havent seen first hand the fios is supposed to be a lot better

[23:24:23]

PatrickDK:

fiber to the home is fine

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PatrickDK:

you can run many many different fiber signals down the same fiber

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Justin__:

they actually offer 30Mbps down/15Mbps up, which for the states is very good

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iamlindoro__:

Justin__: Just to put things in perspective, DOCSIS 3.0 will allow for 100 Mbit Cable modem speeds, and that's over plain-ol-coax

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Justin__:

well my plain old cable is capped at like 300Kpbs up, with bittorrent traffic blocked

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iamlindoro__:

I'm not arguing that fiber isn't more bandwidth-- it is-- but to think that you will see anything tangible from it for a good 10–15 years is a little optimistic

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iamlindoro__:

TV-wise, that is

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iamlindoro__:

especially for myth, where some of us *can* get a perfect digital feed from a cable box or ATSC, and you can't do either with FiOS

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Justin__:

what do you mean you wont see benefits in service for 10–15 years?

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iamlindoro__:

Justin__: What I'm saying is wake me when you can get more HD on fiber than you can on Satellite

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iamlindoro__:

Justin__: And when they get firewire out or somehow modulate QAM in their boxes

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iamlindoro__:

Because that digital stream in your fiber service will only ever get as far as their box, which, for myth purposes, makes digital tuning impossible

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Justin__:

yeah, thats one nice thing about cable. although of 600 channels, only about 200 are unencrypted/rebroadcastable

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iamlindoro__:

Justin__: I get all of mine but one channel via firewire

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Justin__:

so i still have no way of getting any of my premium channels

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neste1:

Justin's site seems to be down (www.mythtvthemes.co.uk) .... anyone have an alterate place I can get the Neon theme?

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Justin__:

is there any good way to test that? I gave up testing channels pretty quickly because it would lock up every time i would try a channel i couldn't receive

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iamlindoro__:

neste1: HE has retracted them-- they are no more

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iamlindoro__:

er he

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iamlindoro__:

You may be able to get them from the themes dir in myth SVN, though

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iamlindoro__:

most of them are ever-so-slightly incompatible with .21, though

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neste1:

boo. Ok. They're not in current svn.... will try an older rev

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Justin__:

neste1: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/themes

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neste1:

ah ok

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neste1:

Thanks!

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iamlindoro__:

Justin__: Nope, trial and error is the only way

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A_:

any suggestions on an apple tv like frontend that has svideo or composite out? The wiki entries are kinda dated.

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iamlindoro__:

A_: If all you want is SD, the apple TV itself will work

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A_:

only if the tv has component in

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iamlindoro__:

Although I think that's a terrible idea. The Mac Mini is a fantastic frontend, though

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Justin__:

how about an xbox

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fryfrog:

apple tv only has component?

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A_:

the intel based mac mini doesn't have video out, I was not sure if the ppc based mac minis were still getting builds made for them

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iamlindoro__:

xboxes make bad myth frontend too, too little ram

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A_:

fryfrog: no first hand knowledge, but yeah all the docs I can find show that it only has component and hdmi

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iamlindoro__:

A_: Build your own, just run linux on them

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Justin__:

mine works well, but changing channels and the guide are slow

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A_:

this is for a secondary frontend that won't get used as much and I don't have the excess pc hardware like I used to

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iamlindoro__:

A_: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObje . . . m=M9267G%2FA

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iamlindoro__:

For use w/ a Mac Mini/S-video

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iamlindoro__:

I'd get the Intel model myself, has Intel graphics which are well supported

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A_:

does it work with the intel model?

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iamlindoro__:

Yes

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A_:

cool

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Justin__:

im really wishing i didn't sell my mac mini these days. could have made a good front end

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Justin__:

speaking of front ends... im compiling 0.21 on my xbox now... is it normal for it to take an hour on a single line?

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neb_:

what output does it have?

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neb_:

oh

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** neb_ clicks link **

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directhex:

Justin__, with 32 meg of usable ram? yes

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Justin__:

well it crashed last night during the compile, and i resumed it earlier, and it hasn't gotten past the first compile line

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Justin__:

im thinking i should stop it and reboot the xbox

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neb_:

hm, also – is it possible to actually change the channel in the tv guide?

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neb_:

when i hit select i get the record menu

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Justin__:

there is an option to change that behavior

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directhex:

neb_, m

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directhex:

golden myth rule: if in doubt, press m

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Justin__:

there is an option like "use select to change channel in guide"

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neb_:

oh didn't see that

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neb_:

only saw "use select to change channel"

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neb_:

so when you flick thru the channels it auto switches for you

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Justin__:

yeah there is a second similar sounding option

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** neb_ was also thinking of using a samsung Q1 for a frontend :P **

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Justin__:

that would actually be pretty sweet

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Justin__:

especially if you built a touch-sentric theme

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Justin__:

centric*

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neb_:

yeah

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Beanos:

all is well except for one small thing

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directhex:

lack of mouse suupport in myth?

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neb_:

well, you see – i travel a long way to work and back again – hence i use myth cos i leave early and get in late

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Beanos:

any clue how to tell a mediamvp player what the correct mysql pw is?

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Justin__:

mouse works

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neb_:

so it'd be nice to watch myth stuff on the train :D

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neb_:

which means i need to automatically sync content from the backend to the Q1

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Justin__:

thats one thing i miss about eyetv... it could automatically transcode recordings to h264 and sync to my ipod

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neb_:

:)

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neb_:

plugin maybe

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Justin__:

back to my xbox---is there a way i could kill xfree86 and maybe speed up compiling? would that free up resources?

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iamlindoro__:

Justin__: You can click things, but how did you intend to go backwards in menus?

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Justin__:

you still have hard buttons you could assign

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iamlindoro__:

I wouldn't call being able to click things mouse support

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iamlindoro__:

especially if it requires a second interface device to do most things

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neb_:

there's a 'joystick' on the q1

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neb_:

so maybe :)

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iamlindoro__:

That said, with MythUI, from what I understand, it would be possible to throw together something that will have onscreen back buttons, etc. that would work touch-only

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hnitsuj:

distcc ftw!

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hnitsuj:

iamlindoro__: I concur but only if they disappear after a timeout. anyway that's what gestures are meant to be for

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iamlindoro__:

Justin__: I auto-transcode all my recordings and they get snced to my iTunes via podcast

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iamlindoro__:

er synced

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Justin__:

hmm thats an interesting idea

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iamlindoro__:

hnitsuj: I certainly don't *advocate* touch/mouse only, that's for sure

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hnitsuj:

not yet anyway :)

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iamlindoro__:

yup

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iamlindoro__:

Would be nice if all those people who bought touchscreen-front HTPC cases could finally not look like complete fuckwits

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iamlindoro__:

Wait, check that.

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