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| [00:00:08] | xris: | I've only tried the madeira version of their older style stuff, and it happens to be my favorite scotch, so it's hard to compare |
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| [00:03:05] | pyrotech: | Hi, has anyone had problems with a firewire capture card for HD refusing to work and putting errors in the log like "the packet size(8) is too big" ? |
| [00:03:33] | ** xris wonders if it'd be worth buying a couple of those madeira scotch bottles before they're gone for good. ** | |
| [00:03:40] | sphery: | Yeah. A lot of them use bourbon casks, but a 10-year bourbon/2-year port sounds unbalanced... Guess I shouldn't say 'til I try it, though. |
| [00:04:01] | xris: | sphery: it's still pretty tasty. reviews say it's bigger, but maybe I like it that way. heh |
| [00:04:14] | xris: | still tastes way better than a 10 year laphroiag |
| [00:04:56] | sphery: | I'll definitely put it on my list. I'm always willing to try a new scotch. |
| [00:05:42] | xris: | go for the 12 year madeira wood one first if you can find it. it's much better, and apparently they don't produce it anymore, so it'll be hard to find in the future. |
| [00:05:54] | sphery: | will do |
| [00:06:10] | xris: | I like it better than a 18 year macallan I have that costs 3x as much. heh. |
| [00:06:20] | ** xris is turning into a scotch snob ** | |
| [00:06:59] | mzb: | I'm planning on moving on to 0.21 (or 0.21-fixes) today, from (a fairly old) multirec. |
| [00:07:01] | Frosty-: | When I was 7 I experimented with alcohol, dash of scotch in one cup, pint of lemonade in the other. Down the scotch, then down the lemonade as not to retch fromthe taste. After a few nights I eventually got half-pint of scotch in one cup .. now even the smell of scotch makes me retch like sour milk |
| [00:07:15] | mzb: | anyone aware of any issues? (eg. db migration) |
| [00:07:35] | sphery: | The thing I like most about it is the differences. I've always found something redeeming about the ones I've tried (though for some, it took a lot more trying/drinking to find). |
| [00:08:11] | sphery: | mzb: should be fine as long as you stay on 0.21 :) |
| [00:08:22] | sphery: | (i.e no going back except through db restore) |
| [00:08:34] | mzb: | that's fine |
| [00:08:36] | mzb: | thx |
| [00:08:43] | sphery: | good luck, and enjoy 0.21 |
| [00:08:44] | pyrotech: | does anyone know where to take my firewire issue? |
| [00:08:51] | mzb: | :) |
| [00:09:03] | pyrotech: | I had mythtv up and recording hdtv no probs off my stb and it suddenly stopped working |
| [00:09:05] | sphery: | pyrotech: likely to get more firewire users to see it on the -users list |
| [00:09:07] | mzb: | built a new "mythtuner" box ... which should solve a few problems ;) |
| [00:09:15] | pyrotech: | and I havent been able to get it working since |
| [00:09:25] | sphery: | mzb: new backend? |
| [00:09:30] | mzb: | yes |
| [00:09:42] | pyrotech: | and where would I find said list? |
| [00:10:00] | sphery: | cool. I'm (now) a big believer in dedicated backends and/or multiple backends. |
| [00:10:15] | sphery: | pyrotech: http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users |
| [00:10:56] | sphery: | btw, I'm not a firewire user, so I know far less than you about it. :) |
| [00:11:03] | mzb: | was unable to use tuners on xen vm, so bought a p3–933 + 256MB for $15, and upgraded the main frontend from p3–650 to p3–866 ($15) ... should be a lot better once I move the tuners off the FE |
| [00:11:45] | sphery: | Yeah. At those speeds, separate frontend/backend is a good thing. |
| [00:12:01] | mzb: | took me a while to build the BE ... had to scavenge 3x 80mm fans from old PSU's ... etc ... not quite there yet but hardware seems reliable (currently just testing it as the fileserver for the myth recordings) |
| [00:12:33] | Frosty-: | This is proving harder than I first though, as I can't simply rename the entries from the old host, as I have ran it with the new hostname, meaning there will be duplicate entries after the replacing :s |
| [00:13:11] | sphery: | I had a chipset fan fail on an NVIDIA nForce2. When I went scrounging through my old junk for a replacement, I found the exact same fan on a heatsink--that was for my AMD K6–2/380 CPU! |
| [00:13:45] | sphery: | How we've progressed... A chipset now takes the same fan a CPU did only a few years before. :) |
| [00:14:13] | mzb: | heh |
| [00:14:29] | sphery: | Frosty-: :( Didn't think about that... |
| [00:15:38] | Frosty-: | I'm getting there, luckily the wiki explains the meanings of each table, so I'm dumping entries where hostname=<old> and hand-fxing the rest |
| [00:15:38] | sphery: | Frosty-: I'd now recommend: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7 |
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| [00:16:00] | sphery: | I do 23.7 every once in a while for a good "spring cleaning" |
| [00:16:39] | sphery: | Frosty-: After 23.7's greps, you could do 23.15, then the restore should work (without dup keys) |
| [00:17:17] | Frosty-: | would I lose schedules? |
| [00:17:27] | ** sphery appreciates the help with the DB restore script he's writing ** | |
| [00:17:34] | sphery: | (new things to think about) |
| [00:17:36] | mzb: | iirc, 0.21-fixed is the one to track? |
| [00:17:51] | sphery: | Frosty-: 23.7 saves schedules, recordings, and recording history. |
| [00:17:59] | sphery: | Frosty-: all other must be reconfigured |
| [00:18:34] | Frosty-: | ok, shouldnt take too long, thanks :) |
| [00:18:40] | CCFL_Man2: | anyone familiar with snmp? |
| [00:19:13] | sphery: | Frosty-: (which will give you a good chance to see all the new settings and configure your system how you want it--rather than inheriting the previous config to get a working config and never noticing the new stuff) |
| [00:20:35] | sphery: | Frosty-: the approach you were using will likely work (can work), but I'm pretty OC about my data-cleanliness, so 23.7 + 23.15 will work, but may be more effort depending on how well you know your configuration. |
| [00:22:15] | mzb: | iirc, 0.21-fixes is the one to track? (rather than trunk or 0.21) |
| [00:22:35] | arschjucken: | my picture got ugly since the .21 fixes rev 16464 :( at 16407 it was soooo nice :(( |
| [00:23:57] | arschjucken: | i got staircases at diagonal lines and something like analog noise ( you see always moving things in big one colored areas) |
| [00:27:12] | mzb: | the main problem I have so far, is finding time to do the upgrade ... between doing recordings and SWMBO watching mythtv there isn't much time left in the day ;) |
| [00:27:23] | mzb: | doing it in stages atm |
| [00:27:55] | mzb: | today's aim is to upgrade to 0.21 on all machines (inc. the new one) and play with storage groups |
| [00:28:31] | mzb: | if it's "easy" (ie. fast) I can then move the tuners out of the FE ... but I suspect there won't be enough time for that |
| [00:29:49] | mzb: | oh ... mfd/mfe makes things a little different, no? |
| [00:32:45] | Frosty-: | takes forever to scan channels :s |
| [00:33:05] | Frosty-: | thats not a request for debug btw :) |
| [00:35:43] | mzb: | is there some info somewhere about a change build order|process for 0.21? |
| [00:36:25] | Frosty-: | the UPGRADING text file details info between versions |
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| [00:38:41] | mzb: | ok, thx |
| [00:39:15] | mzb: | heh |
| [00:39:20] | mzb: | not much iow ;) |
| [00:39:24] | sphery: | mzb: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.4 |
| [00:39:32] | mzb: | thx |
| [00:40:11] | sphery: | mzb: But, basically, configure, make, and make install mythtv, then the same for mythplugins, then the same for myththemes. |
| [00:40:22] | mzb: | same process then |
| [00:40:30] | mzb: | what's mfd? (or the point of it?) |
| [00:40:33] | sphery: | mzb: and don't get fancy with configure args (i.e. tune, cpu, arch, stuff) |
| [00:40:42] | mzb: | uhuh |
| [00:41:01] | mzb: | I'm thinking I'll have to make uninstall first |
| [00:41:14] | mzb: | or is that "automagic" too ;) |
| [00:41:16] | sphery: | (you don't need that) and don't do stuff like --disable-<whatever> unless you fully understand the implications (only exception being to plugins you don't want, feel free to disable them) |
| [00:42:04] | sphery: | mzb: mfd is the "Myth Frontend Daemon" and is basically a dead project. mfe was the client for mfd (and, therefore, also dead). |
| [00:42:14] | mzb: | I've got some of an idea, from building (and rebuilding) to get it right for my ancient rubbish ;) |
| [00:42:17] | mzb: | ok, thx |
| [00:42:28] | sphery: | same process, yes. make uninstall I won't answer |
| [00:43:35] | sphery: | (I'll let you decide what to do--either approach will work, both have their downsides, doing something wrong with whatever approach you take can be very bad) |
| [00:43:58] | sphery: | and I don't want to get blamed for messing up your libs or whatever |
| [00:44:02] | mzb: | :) |
| [00:44:25] | mzb: | yeah ... hell to pay from SWMBO if it's not working ;) (created a monster) |
| [00:44:28] | sphery: | If you're using packages, though, you should probably remove them before going to self-compiled (or just stick with packages) |
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| [00:45:02] | mzb: | no ... no packages |
| [00:45:03] | mzb: | SWMBO2 (junior version) is now insisting on attention ... brb |
| [00:45:08] | sphery: | packages also have the benefit of being tested by someone else /before/ the SWMBO needs the myth box. |
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| [00:49:45] | black_Nightmare_: | anyone want to buy a nice kworld pci tv tuner card? heh ^_^ |
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| [00:49:53] | k-man_: | hello |
| [00:50:03] | k-man_: | anyone tried the .debs of .21 yet? |
| [00:52:27] | mzb: | sphery: yes, but won't give me multirec ... which is now on the "required" feature list |
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| [00:53:32] | mzb: | hmm ... 4hrs until "Shaun the Sheep" ... cross fingers ;) |
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| [00:56:28] | Frosty-: | I want to convert some recorded tv series to DVD, how many episodes should I put on a single DVD5? |
| [00:56:51] | Frosty-: | I've transcoded to 300–400mb XviD, but I guess dvd has larger footprint |
| [00:57:38] | Frosty-: | ConvertXtoDVD will alter the bitrate accordingly but I dont want to lose too much quality :o |
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| [01:02:48] | Frosty-: | I've taken a rule of 2 hours per dvd, see how it goes |
| [01:05:33] | orthoevra: | YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS |
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| [01:05:49] | ** orthoevra pumps her fist thru the air ** | |
| [01:06:38] | orthoevra: | to get mythweb video manager to display folder.jpg files from each movie folder u MUST add: EnableMMAP Off and EnableSendfile Off to httpd.conf |
| [01:06:48] | orthoevra: | i rule |
| [01:07:35] | GreyFoxx: | hmmm I dont think I have those in my config |
| [01:07:45] | GreyFoxx: | at least not on purpose :) |
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| [01:07:58] | orthoevra: | GreyFoxx: i think i only had to do it because my movies/folder.jpg files are on a samba share |
| [01:08:05] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [01:08:06] | orthoevra: | otherwise symlink should just work anyway |
| [01:08:14] | GreyFoxx: | my mythweb is local to the content |
| [01:08:24] | orthoevra: | only took me 4 hours... -.- |
| [01:09:02] | orthoevra: | now to mess with the php to have correct paths on everything.... |
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| [01:10:04] | Frosty-: | grats orthoevra :) |
| [01:10:18] | orthoevra: | Frosty: thanks! |
| [01:19:33] | sphery: | mzb: multirec is in 0.21, which is released, and is available in packages... |
| [01:19:58] | mzb: | hmm ... thx |
| [01:20:19] | mzb: | few mods I might want to make ... so might as well go to 0.21-fixes |
| [01:21:02] | sphery: | always a balancing act of ease of install/upgrade and need for mods. :) |
| [01:22:06] | sphery: | orthoevra: A nice post to the -users list to let others know (or at least an entry in the wiki) might save someone else the effort you went through. :) |
| [01:24:01] | mzb: | yes, but for eg, I might want to add the shoutcast patch (not sure if that's in 0.21) |
| [01:24:09] | ** sphery hates it when he spends an hour debugging a problem only to realize he's getting hit by the same misconfiguration he warned others of in the help text he previously wrote ** | |
| [01:24:51] | sphery: | mzb: shoutcast patch isn't in 0.21. And, currently, the version posted to the list is from before the 0.21 release (IIRC) and (definitely) before the DVD fix for 0.21-fixes. |
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| [01:25:21] | sphery: | so you can have either shoutcast or DVD playback |
| [01:25:28] | mzb: | yes, I figured, so I'd like to be in a position to test it |
| [01:25:50] | mzb: | DVD playback is (currently) optional ... as all my FE's are mounted under the floor! ;) |
| [01:26:07] | sphery: | heh. Kind of hard to load the DVD that way, so... |
| [01:26:42] | sphery: | But I'm not trying to discourage you from building yourself--only mentioning options. |
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| [01:27:07] | orthoevra: | sphery: still cleaning it up a bit, just added function to get path to folder.jpg using real path instead of video title |
| [01:27:43] | sphery: | Someone requested that Eskil update the shoutcast patch for 0.21-fixes post the DVD fix, so even if you go with 0.21-fixes head, you'll likely get an updated shoutcast patch soon. |
| [01:27:56] | sphery: | orthoevra: cool. thanks for helping document it. |
| [01:28:23] | sphery: | orthoevra: Sounds like this is new functionality, too? If so, thanks for contributing it. |
| [01:29:06] | orthoevra: | sphery: np :) i cant be the only one who uses folder.jpg's for covers |
| [01:29:53] | mzb: | sphery: thanks .. I figured it would be behind the times |
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| [01:37:17] | Frosty-: | argh |
| [01:37:38] | Frosty-: | when mythtv-setup crashes with Fatal IO Error: client killed ... did it complete the channel scan or not? |
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| [01:38:05] | Frosty-: | I've spent 2 hours doing scans, with 2 tuners, 2x scans, I've yet to complete both scans succesfully |
| [01:38:43] | iamlindoro_: | In general, I believe it adds channels as it finds them |
| [01:39:39] | iamlindoro_: | Whether it got to the end is dependent on when it failed and what frequency table you were scanning |
| [01:39:58] | iamlindoro_: | ie, for us-cable, if it got into the "T" channels, it probably finished |
| [01:42:29] | Frosty-: | I wasn't watching :( |
| [01:42:50] | iamlindoro_: | 4 Scans shouldn't have taken you two hours, that's for sure |
| [01:43:01] | iamlindoro_: | unless there was a lot of down time between them |
| [01:43:12] | Frosty-: | 2x scans per attempt, 1 scan per tuner |
| [01:43:18] | Frosty-: | I have lost count how many times |
| [01:43:48] | Frosty-: | if it crashes, I'm purging the database and starting again |
| [01:43:50] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, you should have been watching-- it probably finished fine |
| [01:44:42] | iamlindoro_: | I doubt that it's your DB's fault |
| [01:44:48] | DustyBin: | the only problem ive encountered so far with .21 is when you view video on mythnews then exit back into the main menu, my screen went blank, happened a few times |
| [01:45:01] | iamlindoro_: | But everyone seems to be swatting flies with elephant guns this week, so why not |
| [01:45:33] | Frosty-: | well I was paranoid the crash was mid database insertion, so I purged in case of db corruption following the crash |
| [01:45:51] | DustyBin: | does anybody know if greyfox managed to get dvd working in .21 ? |
| [01:45:54] | iamlindoro_: | You don't need to purge a database, even if a table *is* corrupted |
| [01:46:03] | iamlindoro_: | DustyBin: in .21-fixes it's fixed |
| [01:46:09] | DustyBin: | aye :D |
| [01:46:12] | jams: | DustyBin- yes a commit was made in -fixes |
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| [01:46:38] | Frosty-: | if something is commited in fixes, and I pull a copy from root, it includes that fix? |
| [01:46:51] | iamlindoro_: | by root, do you mean trunk? |
| [01:47:04] | Frosty-: | trunk even |
| [01:47:05] | mzb: | sphery: btw, the other problem with packages is that most of my machines run Lenny, but a couple of others run Gutsy (and one of those is amd64) ... binary packages probably not likely to work |
| [01:47:10] | iamlindoro_: | Then the answer is maybe |
| [01:47:16] | Frosty-: | sorry, nearly 2 am, staring at argh it crashed again |
| [01:47:34] | iamlindoro_: | Most of the .21 fixes are merged back into trunk, but I can't promise that all of them have been just yet |
| [01:48:11] | DustyBin: | U libs/libmythtv/NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp |
| [01:48:22] | DustyBin: | Updated to revision 16495. |
| [01:48:41] | DustyBin: | does that indicate the only thing what changed? |
| [01:48:50] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, U = Updated |
| [01:48:58] | DustyBin: | ok |
| [01:49:09] | DustyBin: | :D |
| [01:49:17] | iamlindoro_: | NuppelVideoPlayer is kinda a misnomer |
| [01:49:48] | DustyBin: | to install, do i need to launch a: make uninstall, then make, make install ? |
| [01:50:04] | iamlindoro_: | more, just make distclean, configure again, make, make install |
| [01:50:09] | iamlindoro_: | er more=no |
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| [01:55:24] | DustyBin: | sub pixel hinting is the best thing ever, not many distros turn this on by default because its a microsoft patent, but the fonts look seriously good on lcd screens |
| [01:55:52] | DustyBin: | http://opensuse-community.org/SubpixelHinting |
| [01:57:26] | DustyBin: | if you spend 90% of your computer life looking at text, having the fonts look the best they can is important IMO |
| [01:58:21] | iamlindoro_: | If you give two poops about what your fonts look like, then you're already running Mac OS X ;) |
| [01:58:29] | Agrajag-: | i've found that the "best" looking fonts varies widly between different people, and what you like best is normally what you're just used to |
| [01:58:46] | DustyBin: | its not the fonts, its the way they are rendered |
| [01:58:47] | sphery: | Frosty-: tonight (sometime) all of the outstanding -fixes will be merged back to trunk. There are missing ones, now. |
| [01:58:56] | Agrajag-: | DustyBin: yeah that's what i mean |
| [01:59:00] | iamlindoro_: | DustyBin: And that rendering is best in Mac OS |
| [01:59:18] | DustyBin: | mac os fonts look too fat and aliased, subpixel hinting on linux looks better IMO |
| [01:59:29] | Agrajag-: | see :) |
| [02:00:08] | iamlindoro_: | Mac OS Font rendering is made to closely approximate the way they look when printed, what you see on the screen = what gets printed almost exactly. No other OS can claim that. |
| [02:00:33] | DustyBin: | ok |
| [02:00:34] | iamlindoro_: | That's advantage of your entire WM essnetially being a big PDF |
| [02:00:35] | Agrajag-: | not sure why you'd want that anyway, since paper is a different medium to screens |
| [02:01:00] | Agrajag-: | with different properties |
| [02:01:02] | iamlindoro_: | Agrajag-: Matters an awful lot to anyone designing anything being printed |
| [02:01:20] | xris: | iamlindoro: don't forget 3d-accelerated pdf. |
| [02:01:28] | Agrajag-: | iamlindoro_: ok, but most people don't print what's on their computer screens all day |
| [02:01:41] | iamlindoro_: | xris: True that |
| [02:01:46] | ** xris digs spaces. ** | |
| [02:02:11] | iamlindoro_: | Me too, never saw a virtual desktop implementation that I actually could make myself use until it came to Mac OS |
| [02:02:17] | iamlindoro_: | Now it's the middle-click for me |
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| [02:03:26] | jams: | iamlindoro- osx is useless to me until you can move windows with alt+mouse |
| [02:03:43] | jams: | anything else is just to annoying |
| [02:03:48] | iamlindoro_: | jams: That's a pretty specific requirement :) |
| [02:04:10] | iamlindoro_: | http://dinomite.net/archives/altclick-window- . . . -in-mac-os-x |
| [02:04:37] | timo: | could any one help me with a lirc script. i would like it so that when i press a button frontend starts but if its running it is killed or even left running but not start another one? |
| [02:05:12] | jams: | iamlindoro- i wil give that one a try. |
| [02:05:21] | jams: | i haved used others, but they all fall short |
| [02:05:29] | iamlindoro_: | timo: Check Jared (sp?) Fedora install guide, there's a script there for that I beleive |
| [02:05:42] | iamlindoro_: | jams: I think that one's fairly new, let me know about it |
| [02:05:55] | timo: | this is my attempt so far http://pastebin.ca/937612 |
| [02:06:11] | jams: | next i need dual monitor support for the mini |
| [02:06:13] | timo: | ok i will do that |
| [02:07:02] | mzb: | you probably want to fork your totem ;) |
| [02:08:05] | timo: | just a test |
| [02:08:32] | timo: | it dosent work you know |
| [02:09:53] | iamlindoro_: | http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/tips.php |
| [02:10:01] | timo: | iamlindoro_: thank you |
| [02:10:03] | iamlindoro_: | "Make Myth even more wife-friendly, aka make the power button do something more useful-" |
| [02:10:07] | iamlindoro_: | np |
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| [02:10:42] | timo: | I know I'm going to lough at my script lol |
| [02:11:41] | mzb: | my power button does something ... the room goes quiet and dark ;) |
| [02:12:06] | mzb: | (can be a bad move if you've had a few and there are no other lights on;) |
| [02:12:24] | mzb: | no "toggle" effect though |
| [02:12:39] | timo: | quite? |
| [02:12:44] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro: where were you telling that guy to set the opions for only new recordings again? |
| [02:12:49] | Aval0n: | under advanced somewhere? |
| [02:12:49] | timo: | shut the wife up ? |
| [02:13:09] | iamlindoro_: | Pull up the recording rule in mythweb, expand advanced on the right side, setting Filter: |
| [02:13:23] | iamlindoro_: | Exclude Generic and Repeat Episodes |
| [02:13:34] | iamlindoro_: | or some such |
| [02:13:41] | mzb: | timo: nah ... just disable the FE's for that ;) (she gets the idea) |
| [02:14:09] | Aval0n: | i don't see advanced |
| [02:14:20] | Aval0n: | oh |
| [02:14:21] | Aval0n: | I'm sorry |
| [02:14:25] | Aval0n: | in mythweb |
| [02:14:28] | iamlindoro_: | yep |
| [02:14:29] | Aval0n: | no way to do it on the FE? |
| [02:14:32] | iamlindoro_: | Probably |
| [02:14:41] | iamlindoro_: | But I schedule recordings 0% of the time in the FE |
| [02:14:48] | Aval0n: | my wife 100% |
| [02:14:51] | iamlindoro_: | too slow |
| [02:14:58] | Aval0n: | she refuses to use the laptop to schedule recordings for theTV |
| [02:15:00] | Aval0n: | heh |
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| [02:16:32] | Aval0n: | i see no options for it in FE |
| [02:16:50] | iamlindoro_: | everything in mythweb exists in FE... somewhere... |
| [02:17:04] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [02:19:09] | mzb: | map: "You are here-->" |
| [02:19:32] | mzb: | new plugin? == mythguide ? |
| [02:19:33] | mzb: | ;) |
| [02:25:15] | sphery: | Aval0n: "Exclude unidentified episodes" in "[ Check for duplicates in ]" |
| [02:25:56] | sphery: | Aval0n: Or "Record new episodes only" or "Exclude old episodes" |
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| [02:27:19] | Aval0n: | sphery where do you see that |
| [02:28:07] | sphery: | It will be in "[ Check for duplicates in ]" in the scheduled recording editor |
| [02:29:13] | sphery: | If you don't see the last 2, it means your grabber(?) doesn't support providing info required to determine whether episodes are repeats |
| [02:29:16] | Aval0n: | man ual recording scheduler? |
| [02:29:28] | Aval0n: | i use schedules direct |
| [02:29:40] | sphery: | manual recordings are never repeats... :) |
| [02:30:06] | Aval0n: | I go to schedule recordings |
| [02:30:08] | sphery: | In the normal scheduled recordings editor (I have no idea what it's called on the menus, though) |
| [02:30:11] | Aval0n: | then program guie or program finder |
| [02:30:15] | sphery: | Yeah. |
| [02:30:21] | sphery: | Then select a program and you should be there. |
| [02:30:55] | sphery: | it's the page with the "[ category ]" stuff that you use left/right to change values in the combo. |
| [02:30:59] | Aval0n: | you on svn? |
| [02:31:24] | sphery: | Yep. |
| [02:31:30] | sphery: | It would be in 0.21, too. |
| [02:31:44] | Aval0n: | I see do not record this program, then scheduling options under that |
| [02:31:46] | Aval0n: | in one of those? |
| [02:31:46] | sphery: | It's under Schedule Options |
| [02:32:21] | sphery: | In that you should see "[ Check for duplicates in ]" |
| [02:32:21] | Aval0n: | Look for duplicates in current and previous recordings? |
| [02:32:33] | sphery: | that's the right combo box, now left/right it |
| [02:32:40] | Aval0n: | got it |
| [02:32:42] | Aval0n: | thanks sirf |
| [02:32:43] | sphery: | :) |
| [02:32:44] | Aval0n: | sir :) |
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| [02:32:54] | DustyBin: | just tested a DVD on .21, all works :D |
| [02:33:02] | ** sphery thinks serf would work ** | |
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| [02:34:02] | sphery: | DustyBin: Sweet. |
| [02:34:10] | sphery: | Aren't you using trunk? |
| [02:34:18] | DustyBin: | in the corner of the screen it says '(C)Greyfox Work' |
| [02:34:41] | DustyBin: | im using svn .21 fixes |
| [02:35:02] | sphery: | Oh. Was thinking of someone else. Glad you have a post-DVD-fix version. :) |
| [02:35:08] | DustyBin: | Updated to revision 16495. |
| [02:35:31] | DustyBin: | that is a new fix |
| [02:36:20] | sphery: | Yeah. It was broken 'til [16483], IIRC. |
| [02:36:30] | mzb: | hmm .. 1st build complete, database upgraded, only 4 builds remaining ;) |
| [02:36:51] | sphery: | and now the other 4 (parts) can't use the DB. :) |
| [02:37:01] | sphery: | until they finish compiling/installing |
| [02:37:26] | mzb: | setup looks nice ... like the DB backup storage dir setting ... sounds neat |
| [02:37:40] | ** sphery blushes ** | |
| [02:37:46] | mzb: | sphery: yep ... but they've all had make uninstall anyway ... so dm ;) |
| [02:37:53] | sentinel23: | anyone know if 0.21 works with Qt4? |
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| [02:38:11] | Gumby: | does anyone here know if its possible to start mythtv-setup in a window instead of fullscreen? |
| [02:38:15] | iamlindoro_: | no, it does not |
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| [02:38:27] | sentinel23: | thx ): |
| [02:38:29] | mzb: | Gumby: yes, see --help |
| [02:38:30] | sentinel23: | :) |
| [02:39:00] | Gumby: | mzb thx Ill have a looks |
| [02:39:11] | sphery: | mzb: Though, really, the only time your DB will automatically be backed up in 0.21 is on initial install (technically when DB schema version changes--which shouldn't happen again until the 0.22 upgrade). |
| [02:39:41] | mzb: | cool ... nice feature though |
| [02:39:42] | Gumby: | mzb: you sure? --help didnt do a damn thing. |
| [02:39:45] | sphery: | mzb: I had intended to have a full automatic backup solution in place before 0.21, but I didn't finish. |
| [02:39:54] | sphery: | stupid real life got in the way |
| [02:39:55] | Gumby: | mzb: mythtv-setup not mythfrontend |
| [02:40:18] | mzb: | Gumby: mythtv-setup --geometry 1280x768 |
| [02:40:23] | mzb: | (or similar) |
| [02:40:27] | Gumby: | mzb: thx |
| [02:40:42] | mzb: | sphery: I see ... I figured that was the aim (got my hopes up too early;) |
| [02:40:48] | sphery: | mzb: Though the 0.22 version of automatic backups will be much better. |
| [02:40:56] | mzb: | great :) |
| [02:41:58] | sphery: | I'm currently writing scripts that make the backups, then the support for doing "jobs" only when the backend/frontends are idle, then the daily auto DB check, optimize, analyze, and (if necessary) repair, then the daily auto DB backup. |
| [02:42:51] | sphery: | The DB restore script is annoying to write, so I've stalled a bit. |
| [02:43:09] | mzb: | I can only imagine |
| [02:43:12] | sphery: | (but that's far more info than you were wanting ;) |
| [02:43:13] | mzb: | python? |
| [02:43:15] | sphery: | perl |
| [02:43:25] | mzb: | no that's good ... I like details :) |
| [02:43:34] | sphery: | likely to be installed, but far more flexible than sh |
| [02:43:43] | mzb: | yep |
| [02:44:19] | sphery: | mzb: preview of backup script at http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/database_ . . . rg_backup.pl — works with any version of Myth. Use --help, then --debug the first time to see what it's doing. |
| [02:44:30] | Gumby: | Im running the latest ubuntu mythtv ( 0.21.0~fixes16338–0 ) and when I add a dvb card it always adds two. Is this normal? Its never done it before |
| [02:44:32] | jams: | hah the only reason i have perl installed is because some mythscripts wanted it |
| [02:44:47] | sphery: | jams: that's part of the reason it's likely to be installed :) |
| [02:45:14] | sphery: | My initial patch in sh was clumsy. This is far more useful. |
| [02:45:17] | mzb: | Gumby: multirec |
| [02:45:34] | jams: | any way i need to stop |
| [02:45:50] | Gumby: | mzb: I thought that might be it. I wasnt sure though. Does multirec require any extra setup? |
| [02:46:02] | mzb: | no, it's integrated now |
| [02:46:08] | mzb: | and defaults work fine |
| [02:46:09] | Frosty-: | finally reinstalled, rescanned, database sorted, all thumbnails present and correct :) time for bed! |
| [02:46:13] | Gumby: | nice, good to hear |
| [02:46:17] | jams: | i'm in a good mood..no need to risk changing that due to perl talk. |
| [02:46:27] | sphery: | Frosty-: congrats, and I'm glad I didn't get you dug into a very deep hole... |
| [02:46:28] | mzb: | you *might* want to do more than 2 if|when you feel brave ;) |
| [02:47:11] | mzb: | MBE now ready to go ... just tuner BE and 2xFE to go ... time to see what LO is up to |
| [02:47:23] | sphery: | jams: I'm sensing you don't much care for perl |
| [02:47:34] | jams: | huge understatment |
| [02:48:13] | sphery: | lol. Don't want to put you in a bad mood, so I won't ask why. |
| [02:48:23] | Frosty-: | heh |
| [02:48:25] | Frosty-: | jams, why? :) |
| [02:48:47] | sphery: | just wonder what language you would choose for a script that should be runnable on all Myth boxes? |
| [02:48:58] | sphery: | should = would be very nice if it were |
| [02:49:56] | jams: | python works for me |
| [02:50:15] | sphery: | do you think more people have python installed than perl? |
| [02:50:35] | jams: | i wouldn't say more |
| [02:50:53] | jams: | although mytharchive uses python |
| [02:51:33] | nettow0822: | Sphery got the tuning issue fixed..... |
| [02:51:34] | sphery: | Only reason I tend to install Python is for PySol (and I'm disappointed that MFXJO seems to have burned out on it) |
| [02:51:44] | sphery: | nettow0822: Cool. How? |
| [02:51:59] | jams: | Frosty-- lots of reasons, we can discuss them later |
| [02:52:12] | nettow0822: | I had to enable audio only channels |
| [02:52:28] | sphery: | nettow0822: Oh. music channels... |
| [02:52:44] | nettow0822: | yes...I never had to do that before.... |
| [02:52:46] | sphery: | glad it wasn't a bug in Myth |
| [02:53:02] | nettow0822: | ok off to bed...goodnight |
| [02:53:07] | sphery: | night |
| [02:55:29] | Frosty-: | if I bought an extra tuner and a little coax splitter, would I effectively be halving the signal strength? |
| [02:58:09] | sphery: | generally a 2-way splitter loses about 3.5–4dB |
| [02:58:14] | iamlindoro: | 3.5 dB of loss per two way split. A two way can be passive, but I personally amplify any 3+ splits |
| [02:58:19] | sphery: | a 4-way splitter is 7dB |
| [02:58:37] | sphery: | and make sure you terminate any unused ports on the splitter |
| [02:59:29] | Frosty-: | is 3.5dB a lot? :o |
| [02:59:29] | sphery: | Frosty-: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/devel/17953#17953 (might be useful) |
| [02:59:42] | Frosty-: | ok one last read before bed, thx :) |
| [02:59:51] | sphery: | If you have a good signal to start with, it's not too bad. |
| [03:00:14] | sphery: | that one last read is from a guy who doesn't know how to be concise... |
| [03:00:28] | iamlindoro: | har har |
| [03:00:57] | Frosty-: | ugh |
| [03:01:04] | sphery: | I don't think I'll offend him by saying that... |
| [03:01:36] | Frosty-: | I think for £45 I wouldn't be losing much to just try it and see |
| [03:02:06] | ** sphery thinks he figured out the mem leak in irssi (really a script he downloaded to run in irssi) ** | |
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| [03:02:52] | sphery: | Yeah. And, you can make it work--it just may cost you a few pounds more for an amp or better cables or better cable ends... |
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| [03:03:20] | sphery: | gotta restart irssi to see if this fixes the mem leak once and for all... |
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| [03:03:52] | Frosty-: | If I do large circles on the listings page in mythweb the little green div block at bottom left (x requests pending, or similar) flashes :) |
| [03:03:53] | pembo13_com: | i have a fair mature release of fedora7 + mythtv |
| [03:04:08] | pembo13_com: | and i've recently suddenly started getting terrible perforamce from my system |
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| [03:04:23] | pembo13_com: | nothing has changed (except that I booted the machine to windows twice) |
| [03:04:38] | sphery: | Frosty-: I just wrote a patch for that: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4904 |
| [03:04:40] | pembo13_com: | haven't updated any software from when it used to work fine |
| [03:04:54] | sphery: | There, now I'll know if my mem leak is fixed in 4 weeks or so... |
| [03:04:57] | pembo13_com: | and I'm hoping for advice on how to troubleshoot this aside from upgrading if possible |
| [03:05:38] | sphery: | pembo13_com: where are you in the world? |
| [03:05:45] | sphery: | EIT user? |
| [03:05:49] | pembo13_com: | sphery, Midwest of the USA |
| [03:05:57] | sphery: | OK, probably not EIT... |
| [03:05:59] | pembo13_com: | sphery, doesn't sound familiar |
| [03:06:13] | sphery: | pembo13_com: Have you run optimize_mythdb.pl, recently? |
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| [03:06:18] | sphery: | it's in contrib |
| [03:06:24] | pembo13_com: | i have a wintv pvr by the way |
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| [03:06:28] | pembo13_com: | will try that |
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| [03:06:50] | pembo13_com: | i should mention that the mysql db is (and always was remote) on another machine on my LAN |
| [03:07:06] | sphery: | pembo13_com: What version are you running? Did you just upgrade to the 0.21 release (just released this weekend) |
| [03:07:21] | pembo13_com: | sphery, no... out of lazyness i haven't updated any software on my desktop for the past months |
| [03:07:29] | pembo13_com: | so nothing has changed |
| [03:07:34] | sphery: | pembo13_com: remote DB may actually be faster (if the DB is writing to a disk that's not being used for recordings) |
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| [03:07:41] | a1fa: | lol |
| [03:07:46] | sphery: | So, you're running 0.20-fixes, right? |
| [03:07:47] | a1fa: | my mythtv box keeps shutting itself off |
| [03:07:47] | pembo13_com: | sphery, i would expect so, and was never a problem before |
| [03:07:49] | a1fa: | :( |
| [03:07:53] | pembo13_com: | sphery, right |
| [03:07:57] | a1fa: | motherboard or psu? |
| [03:08:17] | sphery: | a1fa: I tend to use both... |
| [03:08:30] | pembo13_com: | sphery, i'm tailing the log as we speak, while watching a recording as it is being recorded... and i'm seeing no errors even as frames are being skipped |
| [03:08:56] | sphery: | so the poort performance is only during video playback? |
| [03:09:16] | a1fa: | lolllllllllllllllllll |
| [03:09:16] | a1fa: | ok.. this is fucked up |
| [03:09:16] | a1fa: | more frequent reboots |
| [03:09:16] | a1fa: | err. shutdowns |
| [03:09:18] | a1fa: | whats giving away? |
| [03:09:22] | a1fa: | component or psu? |
| [03:10:01] | pembo13_com: | sphery, i get poor performance all the time... during recording, regardless of if i'm playing back or not |
| [03:10:14] | Frosty-: | a1fa, see if lm-sensors can read your cpu temp? |
| [03:10:15] | sphery: | pembo13_com: and in the GUI, too? |
| [03:10:28] | pembo13_com: | sphery, for example, tongith I wasn't even at the machine, recorded a show (SATA HDD by the way) and I wasn't even logged into KDE and still had problems |
| [03:10:38] | pembo13_com: | sphery, GUI prescales the images slow too |
| [03:10:44] | pembo13_com: | slower than before at least |
| [03:11:16] | a1fa: | Frosty-: apt-getting |
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| [03:11:44] | sphery: | I mean do you find yourself waiting for the next screen of the menu to come up, or for the Watch Recordings screen to update after coming back from playing a recording. |
| [03:11:55] | IceWewe: | can someone assist me with a nuvexport problem? |
| [03:12:03] | Frosty-: | well I'm off to bed, 3am, up in 4 hours :) nn, thx for all the help |
| [03:12:06] | a1fa: | fuck |
| [03:12:15] | a1fa: | it shut it self off again |
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| [03:13:37] | IceWewe: | I've followed this how-to: 'http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3467 . . . t=nuvexport' but I can't get mythtv to automatically transcode a show after it's recorded |
| [03:13:48] | pembo13_com: | sphery, seconds.. yes |
| [03:14:10] | pembo13_com: | sphery, sometimes just trying to fast forward seemingly crashes playback sending me back to the recording menu |
| [03:14:17] | sphery: | pembo13_com: but only when recording? It seem responsive when not recording (and not playing back or transcoding or commflagging) recordings? |
| [03:14:39] | pembo13_com: | sphery, i'd have to take a closer look at the responsiveness of the UI then |
| [03:14:54] | pembo13_com: | sphery, however, the recording always seems to be affected |
| [03:15:25] | a1fa: | Core0 Temp: +105.8°F |
| [03:15:27] | a1fa: | is this bad? |
| [03:15:38] | IceWewe: | a1fa: no |
| [03:15:40] | sphery: | pembo13_com: If what I was asking turns out to be the case, then I'd suggest http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ and/or using the drive diagnostics tool from your drive manufacturer. |
| [03:15:42] | iamlindoro: | If it's F, no |
| [03:15:52] | iamlindoro: | C would be "real bad" (tm) |
| [03:15:54] | a1fa: | yeah F |
| [03:16:02] | pembo13_com: | sphery, thinking its and HDD issue? |
| [03:16:04] | a1fa: | so its not cpu overheating |
| [03:16:05] | IceWewe: | a1fa: no, that's actually pretty cool |
| [03:16:18] | IceWewe: | a1fa: +60C and that's bad |
| [03:16:23] | pembo13_com: | sphery, i have a SATA drive dedicated to the recordings... but could be a problem |
| [03:16:34] | sphery: | pembo13_com: It sounds a /lot/ like the behavior I got when I had a HDD starting to fail. When the system tried to access info in the failing sectors, the constant retries slowed the system to a crawl. |
| [03:16:44] | a1fa: | my power-supply must be giving out |
| [03:17:02] | IceWewe: | anyone on nuvexport? |
| [03:17:03] | a1fa: | nothing is getting logged in syslog |
| [03:17:20] | sphery: | Unfortunately SMART never reported issues with the disk (it never has for me before in my life, actually), but when I tested with the disk diag software, I saw the issues (and the bad sectors). |
| [03:17:44] | pembo13_com: | sphery, using smartmon i take it:? makes sense |
| [03:17:48] | sphery: | pembo13_com: On the bright side, if that's it, it's an easy fix. The hardest part is getting the data off... |
| [03:18:08] | pembo13_com: | sphery, yah... there is no data to get off really, it is dedicated to recordings |
| [03:18:09] | a1fa: | ok box shutoff again |
| [03:18:15] | pembo13_com: | and i don't really keep recordings |
| [03:18:29] | sphery: | pembo13_com: Yeah, smartmon didn't really say anything (and it passed all tests), but it's the "proactive" way of predicting disk failures, so if it is a bad disk, might be nice to run for next time. |
| [03:18:32] | IceWewe: | can anyone even hear me? |
| [03:18:47] | jamesd: | no.. can you speak louder |
| [03:18:57] | IceWewe: | jamesd: lol, ok |
| [03:19:00] | pembo13_com: | sphery, just kinda defeats the gaol of eing lazy though if i have to get in their and swap out the old HDD |
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| [03:19:09] | IceWewe: | so I guess everyone just doesn't care that a noob can't make nuvexport work... |
| [03:19:41] | ** jamesd guesses i must be a bigger newbie than IceWewe because i dont even know what nuvexport is. ** | |
| [03:19:52] | IceWewe: | jamesd: exporting shows to XviD |
| [03:19:54] | iamlindoro: | IceWewe: 6 Minutes is not that long to wait. Some people don't know nuvexport. Some people don't feel like getting into a bunch of troubleshooting right now. Some people are eating dinner. |
| [03:20:03] | pembo13_com: | IceWewe, tool to convert nuv files to other formats |
| [03:20:11] | IceWewe: | iamlindoro: what time zone are you in that it's dinner time? |
| [03:20:12] | pembo13_com: | jamesd, tool to convert nuv files to other formats |
| [03:20:17] | iamlindoro: | I'd guess 40% of the people in the room are asleep |
| [03:20:18] | sphery: | pembo13_com: Yeah. And, if it's in a multi-disk LVM volume, fixing it may be a lot of work. |
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| [03:20:44] | pembo13_com: | sphery, nah..single disk with xfs on it |
| [03:20:49] | iamlindoro: | IceWewe: PST. And who said I was eating dinner? |
| [03:20:54] | pembo13_com: | single disk single partition |
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| [03:21:15] | iamlindoro: | Just explaining that acting like it's personal when you don't get help within five minutes is a waste of effort |
| [03:21:20] | sphery: | pembo13_com: If, for example, you have a Seagate, run SeaTools ( http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/downloads/seatools/ ) and see how it completes the tests. I recommend the full tests (quick didn't see issues on my drive) |
| [03:21:21] | IceWewe: | iamlindoro: "Some people are eating dinner." |
| [03:21:33] | iamlindoro: | IceWewe: And I'm sure some people are. |
| [03:21:45] | pembo13_com: | sphery, thanks |
| [03:21:50] | iamlindoro: | Not everyone is waiting by their computer to help you |
| [03:21:52] | IceWewe: | iamlindoro: well, as much as I'd love to solve my problems using Google, it's not particularly helpful as I don't have any output from nuvexport when myth runs it |
| [03:22:04] | iamlindoro: | IceWewe: Sure you do, it's in your backend log. |
| [03:22:06] | sphery: | pembo13_com: good luck, and I hope this was helpful (and doesn't turn out to be a wild goose chase) |
| [03:22:10] | IceWewe: | iamlindoro: no, it's not |
| [03:22:15] | iamlindoro: | Yes dear |
| [03:22:28] | pembo13_com: | sphery, i guess it's just about time to upgrade.. was trying to put if off |
| [03:22:44] | a1fa: | damn |
| [03:22:49] | sphery: | I always look for excuses to upgrade. :) |
| [03:22:57] | a1fa: | what else could be causing hard power downs? |
| [03:23:25] | sphery: | Well, IceWewe and iamlindoro have made me hungry. Time to get some (11:23pm) dinner. |
| [03:23:27] | IceWewe: | iamlindoro: there is nothing in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log* that mentioned nuvexport or any of the files it's grabbing/exporting |
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| [03:23:33] | ARfdee: | hi |
| [03:23:37] | ARfdee: | help friends, can't upgrade |
| [03:23:39] | IceWewe: | sphery: ok then |
| [03:23:41] | ARfdee: | 2008-03–10 22:03:11.307 Database Schema upgrade FAILED, unlocking. |
| [03:23:41] | ARfdee: | 2008-03–10 22:03:11.308 Couldn't upgrade database to new schema |
| [03:24:28] | sphery: | BTW, IceWewe, I don't use nuvexport or autotranscode, so I wouldn't be of any help to you. |
| [03:24:37] | iamlindoro: | IceWewe: If there's nothing in your backend about a user job being run, then it's never being run in the first place |
| [03:24:38] | a1fa: | what a weird problem |
| [03:24:38] | IceWewe: | iamlindoro: ah yes, excuse my earlier statement, there is ONE mention of nuvexport... "2008-03–09 13:52:30.832 Preview: Grabbed preview '/media/myth/1065_20080308172223.nuv' 720x480@64s" |
| [03:24:46] | IceWewe: | sphery: ok |
| [03:24:50] | iamlindoro: | That's not nuvexport |
| [03:25:00] | IceWewe: | iamlindoro: weird, because I followed the guide, and no one else is having problems... |
| [03:25:05] | ARfdee: | anyone having problems with database after a recent upgrade? |
| [03:25:09] | ARfdee: | Warning: MythTV wants to upgrade your database schema, from 1170 to 1214. |
| [03:25:32] | GreyFoxx: | ARfdee: how far did it get ? |
| [03:25:47] | iamlindoro: | IceWewe: A post in a non-myth forum from over a year ago is not a good thing to follow |
| [03:26:16] | ARfdee: | http://pastebin.ca/937687 |
| [03:26:40] | IceWewe: | iamlindoro: weird, the jobs are still queued... |
| [03:26:44] | iamlindoro: | IceWewe: And you can set up all the user jobs in the world but they will never run if you don't go into mythtv-setup and, in the General pages, set the "Allow User Job 1 to run" tickbox |
| [03:27:01] | a1fa: | could overheating gpu cause random shutdowns? |
| [03:27:03] | IceWewe: | iamlindoro: heh... whoops |
| [03:27:12] | IceWewe: | a1fa: of the whole machine? I doubt it |
| [03:27:25] | ARfdee: | GreyFoxx: what to do sir? |
| [03:27:31] | a1fa: | my box keeps shutting itself off |
| [03:27:33] | a1fa: | cpu 105F |
| [03:27:39] | IceWewe: | a1fa: what's the GPU temp? |
| [03:27:41] | a1fa: | no errors anywhere |
| [03:27:44] | a1fa: | IceWewe: no clue |
| [03:27:48] | IceWewe: | iamlindoro: any way do that from the webinterface? |
| [03:27:52] | IceWewe: | a1fa: what kind of card is it? |
| [03:28:13] | a1fa: | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7600 GS (rev a2) |
| [03:28:14] | GreyFoxx: | ARfdee: that one I dunno |
| [03:28:26] | IceWewe: | a1fa: run 'nvidia-settings' and check the temperature |
| [03:28:30] | GreyFoxx: | I thought it might be a problem with us no longer supporting mysql 4 |
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| [03:29:00] | ARfdee: | GreyFoxx: what can i do? |
| [03:29:17] | iamlindoro: | IceWewe: not that I know of, easy enough to do in mythtv-setup |
| [03:29:32] | EnderTheThird: | .21 was released? huh, well how about that |
| [03:29:46] | a1fa: | i only have console access to the system |
| [03:29:48] | IceWewe: | iamlindoro: is mythtv-setup user dependent? |
| [03:29:54] | IceWewe: | a1fa: ah... well |
| [03:30:08] | Aval0n: | .21 stable was released? |
| [03:30:10] | iamlindoro: | no, but the user running it needs mysql.txt set up properly for DB access |
| [03:30:30] | IceWewe: | iamlindoro: so I can run setup as any user? sweet. |
| [03:30:33] | EnderTheThird: | Aval0n: I'm not completely sure, but it's on the mythtv.org frontpage. |
| [03:30:43] | iamlindoro: | more or less, if the user can run frontend, they can run mythtv-setup |
| [03:31:18] | IceWewe: | *sigh* I will have to trek to the box... brb |
| [03:31:31] | EnderTheThird: | alfa: if the system is on your LAN, you can ssh -X into it to run stuff with a gui |
| [03:32:03] | Aval0n: | nice |
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| [03:32:09] | ARfdee: | GreyFoxx: ? |
| [03:32:11] | EnderTheThird: | alfa: if it's over the Internet, that's going to be awfully slow, but over a LAN, it's tolerable for setup and the like |
| [03:33:12] | ARfdee: | can someone help me? i can't even use myth anymore since this db upgrade |
| [03:33:14] | iamlindoro: | ARfdee: I'm pretty sure he's implying you should update to Mysql 5 |
| [03:33:26] | EnderTheThird: | Aval0n: yeah. now if only I could find pre-compiled Ubuntu .deb's. If not, I suppose I can wait until Mythbuntu 8.04 is released, but it'd be nice to do now so it's not running SVN from a few months ago |
| [03:33:34] | ARfdee: | iamlindoro: but i've had mysql 5 installed for quite some time |
| [03:33:34] | pembo13_com: | sphery, this looks bad: |
| [03:33:36] | pembo13_com: | RingBuf(/mnt/recordings/nuv/1063_20080310220000.nuv): Taking too long to be allowed to read.. |
| [03:33:46] | iamlindoro: | ARfdee: Ah, I misread the scrollback |
| [03:33:46] | Aval0n: | hah |
| [03:33:48] | Aval0n: | who nees debs :) |
| [03:34:04] | ARfdee: | i can't even use myth now:( |
| [03:34:06] | Aval0n: | i am running last nights svn |
| [03:34:07] | Aval0n: | haha |
| [03:34:15] | Aval0n: | wonder if that's close enough :P |
| [03:34:20] | iamlindoro: | ARfdee: It may not help, but it probably wouldn't hurt to mysqlcheck mythconverg |
| [03:34:21] | Aval0n: | trunk |
| [03:34:32] | ARfdee: | ok |
| [03:34:57] | ARfdee: | ran it just now, it ended up saying ok for everything |
| [03:34:59] | ARfdee: | despite some warnings |
| [03:35:05] | ARfdee: | then i ran mythbackend again and tried to upgrade, same error |
| [03:35:09] | iamlindoro: | what'd it warn about? |
| [03:35:13] | ARfdee: | warning : 23 clients are using or haven't closed the table properly |
| [03:35:15] | ARfdee: | things like that |
| [03:35:22] | iamlindoro: | ARfdee: 23?? |
| [03:35:31] | ARfdee: | mythconverg.recordedmarkup |
| [03:35:31] | ARfdee: | warning : 18 clients are using or haven't closed the table properly |
| [03:36:07] | IceWewe: | iamlindoro: ah, that would do it |
| [03:36:09] | IceWewe: | iamlindoro: thanks! |
| [03:36:13] | JohnMahowald: | How many frontends do you have?! |
| [03:36:17] | iamlindoro: | IceWewe: np |
| [03:36:21] | ARfdee: | i only ever use one |
| [03:36:33] | a1fa: | it must be power supply |
| [03:36:39] | IceWewe: | ARfdee: heh, I never use any |
| [03:36:40] | ARfdee: | JohnMahowald: should i reboot? |
| [03:36:40] | a1fa: | so i will be buying a new power supply soon |
| [03:37:07] | EnderTheThird: | Any of you guys have trouble with MythMusic crashing a lot when changing tracks? I'm running SVN, but it's done it for as long as I can remember on .20–2 and everything too |
| [03:37:09] | iamlindoro: | ARfdee: I'm not conversant enough in Mysql to know if that's unusual, but what I would probably try is completely isolating it on the network, bringing down mythbackend, restarting mysql, and checking the DB before restarting the backend |
| [03:37:25] | JohnMahowald: | ARfdee: I would restart mysqld first |
| [03:37:32] | ARfdee: | ok |
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| [03:37:49] | a1fa: | I am also sad to say i will be moving towards mythbuntu :( |
| [03:37:56] | a1fa: | bye bye debian.. i loved you for 8 years |
| [03:38:03] | a1fa: | i still do :( |
| [03:38:03] | ARfdee: | restarted mysql, same error on mythbackend trying to upgrade:( |
| [03:38:05] | IceWewe: | a1fa: ahahahahhhaa, you're running knoppmyth? |
| [03:38:09] | a1fa: | fuck no |
| [03:38:13] | a1fa: | debian testing |
| [03:38:17] | JohnMahowald: | ARfdee: "haven't closed the table properly" have you shut down uncleanly? |
| [03:38:37] | a1fa: | err.. debian unstable for my mythtb box |
| [03:38:37] | IceWewe: | a1fa: ah, ok. I ditched knoppmyth for mythbuntu, finally got tired of not being able to install packages + bootloader bull sh*t |
| [03:38:53] | ARfdee: | JohnMahowald: err, not recently |
| [03:39:02] | ARfdee: | i recently had a kernel upgrade as well |
| [03:39:07] | ARfdee: | and i just rebooted into that |
| [03:39:11] | iamlindoro: | ARfdee: stop mythbackend, unplug any network cables, then do mythsqlcheck -r -u sqluser -p sqlpassword mythconverg |
| [03:39:13] | a1fa: | i love debian tho.. its philosophy needs to change tho.. quick.. they are losing a lot of following and a lot of cash |
| [03:39:14] | EnderTheThird: | alfa: mythbuntu is great just because it's so damned convenient instead of doing everything manually. although learning a bit about mysql and whatnot manually with svn will help me out (i hate the randomly generated passwords it comes up with, for example, so i assign my own in mysql now) |
| [03:39:20] | IceWewe: | a1fa: much happier with mythbuntu, although there is a learning curve |
| [03:39:49] | a1fa: | debian unstable is like driving semi with 16 gears |
| [03:39:52] | IceWewe: | EnderTheThird: aside from the whole encoding to XviD part, mythbuntu is much better |
| [03:40:14] | sentinel23: | i really like mythbuntu |
| [03:40:22] | IceWewe: | a1fa: it's repetitive? |
| [03:40:26] | a1fa: | nah :) |
| [03:40:29] | a1fa: | its manual labor |
| [03:40:33] | IceWewe: | a1fa: you have to be in for the long haul? |
| [03:40:35] | IceWewe: | a1fa: lol! |
| [03:40:35] | a1fa: | you have to shift gears constantly |
| [03:40:39] | a1fa: | :P |
| [03:40:41] | iamlindoro: | ARfdee: Further information, and *do* use myisamchk: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/myisam-table-close.html |
| [03:40:46] | EnderTheThird: | IceWewe: yeah, it's what I use. I'm debating if the newest Alpha is stable enough yet or not. I should prolly wait though cause I'd hate to miss recordings, heh |
| [03:40:48] | a1fa: | now i am thinking of going back to mythtv stable |
| [03:40:52] | a1fa: | and running xbmc frontend |
| [03:40:57] | IceWewe: | a1fa: I was gonna compile gentoo for my myth box, but that was too much work... |
| [03:41:07] | IceWewe: | EnderTheThird: I'm running the new alpha :) |
| [03:41:08] | a1fa: | heh |
| [03:41:17] | IceWewe: | EnderTheThird: I didn't want to build a box only to upgrade in April |
| [03:41:21] | EnderTheThird: | alfa: I wish I had this setup with XBMC. But I do HD now, so it's pretty much useless |
| [03:41:27] | iamlindoro: | ARfdee: It is very likely that without a perfectly clean DB the schema upgrade will fail |
| [03:41:33] | ARfdee: | eek |
| [03:41:38] | EnderTheThird: | IceWewe: realizing my mileage may vary, any problems? |
| [03:41:45] | IceWewe: | a1fa: I figured, took me 3 weeks to compile gentoo on my 'test' box and now I'm stuck where I can't install mythtv... an essential component... |
| [03:41:49] | IceWewe: | EnderTheThird: none so far |
| [03:41:54] | iamlindoro: | ARfdee: Enough eeking, read the link I sent you and fix it |
| [03:41:56] | a1fa: | yeah fuck gentoo |
| [03:42:01] | a1fa: | compiling is for nerds ;P |
| [03:42:09] | IceWewe: | EnderTheThird: my hardware is Dual Xeon, 4GB of RAM, 147GB SCSI drive, NVidia graphics card |
| [03:42:18] | ARfdee: | # mysqlcheck -r -u mythtv -p mythconverg |
| [03:42:18] | ARfdee: | Enter password: |
| [03:42:20] | IceWewe: | a1fa: hey, I run gentoo on my desktop and my server |
| [03:42:20] | ARfdee: | got OK for everything |
| [03:42:27] | IceWewe: | a1fa: I love it, it's just a freaking pain |
| [03:42:27] | a1fa: | ;P |
| [03:42:33] | IceWewe: | a1fa: setting it up is the hardest part |
| [03:42:36] | EnderTheThird: | IceWewe: only problem with that is my desktop is Gutsy, so I wouldn't be able to connect. Then again, I can't now because I don't have SVN in here either, haha. |
| [03:42:38] | iamlindoro: | ARfdee: warnings? |
| [03:42:52] | ARfdee: | none |
| [03:42:59] | ARfdee: | mythbackend upgrade still fails |
| [03:42:59] | sphery: | ARfdee: I haven't caught up on the scrollback, but I'm pretty sure your problem was in the UPnP setup stuff... |
| [03:43:00] | IceWewe: | EnderTheThird: why wouldn't you be able to connect? SSH is system independent ;) |
| [03:43:04] | ARfdee: | QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query |
| [03:43:04] | ARfdee: | Database error was: |
| [03:43:04] | ARfdee: | Duplicate entry 'Default-home-/myth/store/' for key 2 |
| [03:43:18] | sphery: | ARfdee: Did you change host name? |
| [03:43:29] | ARfdee: | not anytime recently |
| [03:43:31] | ARfdee: | it's still home |
| [03:43:33] | IceWewe: | lol |
| [03:43:37] | IceWewe: | recently |
| [03:43:43] | EnderTheThird: | Anyone know if there are any plans to handle media shares like recordings are (ie: not having to network mount media shares on each FE)? |
| [03:43:56] | ARfdee: | it's been at least a few years |
| [03:43:57] | sphery: | EnderTheThird: plans, but no patches, yet |
| [03:44:29] | EnderTheThird: | IceWeWe: I meant for viewing. I mostly watch in my main living room anyway, but I'll wait until release because it's more magical that way, heh. Like opening a new present on Christmas morning |
| [03:44:50] | EnderTheThird: | sphery: damn. granted it's not a huge deal, but it sure would be nice huh? |
| [03:44:52] | sphery: | ARfdee: did someone have you do a: SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value = 'RecordFilePrefix'; |
| [03:44:54] | ARfdee: | mysqlcheck -r -u mythtv -p mythconverg |
| [03:44:54] | ARfdee: | Enter password: |
| [03:44:59] | ARfdee: | i get no warnings from that at all |
| [03:45:26] | sphery: | EnderTheThird: Yeah. It will be there (maybe in 0.22). (hopes) |
| [03:45:43] | sphery: | ARfdee: can you run the query I gave ^^^ |
| [03:45:43] | IceWewe: | EnderTheThird: yeah, but the alpha still has 0.20 :( |
| [03:45:53] | ARfdee: | ok |
| [03:45:56] | IceWewe: | EnderTheThird: I was hoping for 0.21, then I wouldn't have to deal with nuvexport |
| [03:46:19] | IceWewe: | iamlindoro: I forgot that I had to restart the backend before preference changes made through the webinterface take effect :\ |
| [03:46:29] | EnderTheThird: | sphery: yeah, that and getting the SD overlay not not look like crap when it's on an HD display. i hate that |
| [03:46:36] | sphery: | IceWewe: Not in 0.21 |
| [03:46:53] | IceWewe: | sphery: yes, I don't have to deal with nuvexport in 0.21... we are in agreement |
| [03:46:59] | a1fa: | so whats the newes on 0.21? |
| [03:47:10] | sphery: | EnderTheThird: OpenGL OSD renderer (though it's still a big pre-alpha) |
| [03:47:10] | IceWewe: | a1fa: nuvexport is now integrated into myth! |
| [03:47:23] | a1fa: | ok.. release date ? |
| [03:47:28] | iamlindoro: | three days ago |
| [03:47:29] | sphery: | a1fa: 0.21 is the bees knees |
| [03:47:33] | a1fa: | ;P |
| [03:47:35] | IceWewe: | a1fa: it's already out |
| [03:47:35] | a1fa: | really |
| [03:47:38] | a1fa: | lol |
| [03:47:41] | a1fa: | no fucking way |
| [03:47:44] | a1fa: | i slept on my ears |
| [03:47:50] | IceWewe: | a1fa: read the topic... |
| [03:47:54] | a1fa: | i wonder if xbmcmythtv has been fixed? |
| [03:47:56] | a1fa: | does anybody know |
| [03:48:08] | IceWewe: | a1fa: no, but Google is your friend |
| [03:48:10] | iamlindoro: | doubtful, they just finally caught up to .20.2 like three weeks ago |
| [03:48:19] | ARfdee: | sphery: 4 entries |
| [03:48:22] | ARfdee: | duplicate |
| [03:48:26] | sphery: | ARfdee: pastebin? |
| [03:48:38] | a1fa: | lol |
| [03:48:55] | ARfdee: | hold on, i used webmin:) |
| [03:49:16] | ARfdee: | http://pastebin.ca/937703 |
| [03:49:34] | EnderTheThird: | fyi all: never wait until you're 22 to have your tonsils removed. it sucks hardcore |
| [03:49:49] | IceWewe: | EnderTheThird: ok, I'll keep that in mind ;-) |
| [03:50:13] | sphery: | EnderTheThird: If I get them removed, it will be sometime after 35... |
| [03:50:15] | EnderTheThird: | IceWewe: yes. do that. |
| [03:50:27] | ARfdee: | it says data in settings table cannot be edited because it has no primary key |
| [03:50:46] | IceWewe: | EnderTheThird: any particular reason? |
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| [03:51:46] | sphery: | ARfdee: Your database has corrupt data in it from pre-upgrade. You'll have to fix it to allow the upgrade to continue. |
| [03:51:49] | EnderTheThird: | IceWewe: i _had_ enlarged tonsils but my pediatrician was a prick so they weren't removed 10–15 years ago like they should have been. the recovery is a real bitch once you get older |
| [03:51:54] | ARfdee: | sphery: how can i do that? |
| [03:51:59] | sphery: | ARfdee: Which is the right directory to use? /myth/store? |
| [03:52:05] | ARfdee: | sphery: yes |
| [03:52:05] | sphery: | or /mnt/store |
| [03:52:09] | sphery: | OK. |
| [03:52:15] | ARfdee: | oh, i see wha tyou mean |
| [03:52:25] | IceWewe: | EnderTheThird: ahh, well, I'm told I have to get my wisdom teeth out, not happy about that... |
| [03:52:34] | ARfdee: | sphery: what should i do, sir? |
| [03:52:56] | IceWewe: | EnderTheThird: anyway, it's getting on in the night, I think I'll go to sleep... |
| [03:52:56] | EnderTheThird: | IceWeWe: wisdom teeth aren't bad. getting food stuck in the "holes" sucks though. later |
| [03:53:22] | ** IceWewe turns off his phone's ringer to avoid the inevitable wake up call ** | |
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| [03:54:12] | sphery: | ARfdee: Execute the 2 lines of SQL at the bottom of your pastebin ( http://pastebin.ca/937711 ) using the mysql command-line client. |
| [03:54:33] | sphery: | Then, you can start up mythtv-setup of mythbackend (whichever you were trying to start) and it should work. |
| [03:56:15] | ARfdee: | error again |
| [03:56:22] | sphery: | different, though? |
| [03:56:32] | ARfdee: | nope |
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| [03:56:47] | sphery: | and the delete succeeded? |
| [03:57:11] | sphery: | should have said, "Query OK, 3 rows affected" |
| [03:57:25] | sphery: | And the truncate ("Query OK, 0 rows affected") |
| [03:57:42] | ARfdee: | hmm |
| [03:57:43] | ARfdee: | hold on |
| [03:58:11] | sphery: | can retry them. Then check the SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value = 'RecordFilePrefix'; |
| [03:58:21] | sphery: | to make sure you have only one |
| [03:58:29] | ARfdee: | Output from SQL command DELETE FROM settings WHERE value = 'RecordFilePrefix' AND data = '/mnt/store'; .. |
| [03:58:29] | ARfdee: | No data returned |
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| [03:59:09] | sphery: | oops... need a / on the end of /mnt/store |
| [03:59:12] | sphery: | my fault |
| [03:59:33] | sphery: | fixed it in pastebin |
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| [04:00:09] | sphery: | It's almost midnight. I'm becoming about as helpful as a pumpkin... |
| [04:00:52] | ARfdee: | wheres the pastebin? |
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| [04:00:59] | sphery: | http://pastebin.ca/937712 |
| [04:01:43] | ARfdee: | Output from SQL command DELETE FROM settings WHERE value = 'RecordFilePrefix' AND data = '/mnt/store/'; .. |
| [04:01:43] | ARfdee: | No data returned |
| [04:02:07] | sphery: | Yeah. Your client gives different output after a SQL command than mysql command-line client does. |
| [04:02:23] | sphery: | Just do the SELECT again and verify only one entry: SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value = 'RecordFilePrefix'; |
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| [04:02:44] | ARfdee: | RecordFilePrefix /myth/store/ home |
| [04:02:44] | ARfdee: | :) |
| [04:02:47] | ARfdee: | should i truncate now? |
| [04:02:49] | sphery: | Cool. |
| [04:02:53] | sphery: | Yeah, just in case |
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| [04:07:55] | ARfdee: | 2008-03–10 22:45:07.781 ERROR when trying to delete file: /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/home/1205_20070827200000.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed. |
| [04:08:20] | iamlindoro: | touch /myth/store/1205_20070827200000.mpg |
| [04:08:41] | ARfdee: | it's just been sitting there |
| [04:08:48] | iamlindoro: | and in 15 minutes it'll successfully delete... but that shouldn't stop anything |
| [04:08:49] | ARfdee: | oh, maybe mythbackend is done |
| [04:09:08] | iamlindoro: | ARfdee: Execute the touch command above |
| [04:09:13] | ARfdee: | i did |
| [04:09:15] | ARfdee: | it's just sitting there |
| [04:09:25] | iamlindoro: | Well mythbackend isn't an interactive program ya know |
| [04:09:35] | ARfdee: | i did it in a separate termina |
| [04:09:36] | ARfdee: | l |
| [04:09:52] | iamlindoro: | In fact it wouldn't even get as far as trying to delete a file if it weren't running successfully |
| [04:10:07] | iamlindoro: | What is it you expect it to do? |
| [04:10:16] | ARfdee: | i didn't know if the upgrade was finished |
| [04:10:27] | iamlindoro: | It only takes a second or two. |
| [04:10:40] | sphery: | Sounds like it is. |
| [04:11:03] | sphery: | As iamlindoro said, it wouldn't get as far as trying to delete a file if it weren't running successfully. |
| [04:11:35] | sphery: | so, I guess congratulations are in order. |
| [04:11:39] | ARfdee: | thanks sphery |
| [04:11:47] | sphery: | enjoy |
| [04:12:00] | sphery: | this time, I'm really going to get dinner--and watch some MythTV... |
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| [04:16:55] | sentinel23: | w00t .21 compile finally done! (sucessfully too... finally) |
| [04:17:48] | sentinel23: | i wonder if i need to kill mythbackend before i make install |
| [04:18:11] | a1fa: | lawl |
| [04:18:15] | a1fa: | i need to update too |
| [04:18:18] | a1fa: | bitches |
| [04:18:21] | iamlindoro_: | if you don't, it'll kill itself in short order... |
| [04:18:23] | sentinel23: | haha |
| [04:18:27] | sentinel23: | k cool thx |
| [04:18:44] | iamlindoro_: | in messy and neat ways |
| [04:18:50] | sentinel23: | rofl |
| [04:19:27] | ** iamlindoro_ upgrades to .22 ** | |
| [04:19:44] | sentinel23: | i'm soooo excited for .21 |
| [04:19:46] | sentinel23: | :P |
| [04:19:49] | iamlindoro_: | Actually, I'm already running .22 ;) |
| [04:19:56] | iamlindoro_: | fuuutuuuure 22 |
| [04:20:09] | sentinel23: | haha |
| [04:22:00] | mikeones: | is there any way to disable Strict Commercial Detection from mythweb? I do not see that as an option |
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| [04:25:47] | iamlindoro_: | mikeones: I don't believe there is a flag in mythweb for Strict/non stript commflagging-- you can disable commflagging altogether per job or per-rule, though |
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| [04:27:36] | mikeones: | iamlindoro_: I was using Strict Commercial Detection but it flags some of the show parts for removal. Just wanted to turn off strick and see if it helps |
| [04:27:52] | mikeones: | I guess I will have to do it on the fe later |
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| [04:33:05] | sentinel23: | do you know what "KDE development package" MythBrowser depends on? |
| [04:33:19] | sentinel23: | i thought i had all the qt3 stuff installed :/ |
| [04:35:34] | iamlindoro: | sentinel23: Very likely development libraries for konqueror |
| [04:36:03] | sentinel23: | hmm. k thx |
| [04:36:05] | iamlindoro: | If I had to guess I'd say konqueror, libkonq4, and libkonq4-dev |
| [04:36:14] | sentinel23: | awesome! |
| [04:36:56] | iamlindoro: | sentinel23: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper-backports/graphics/mythbrowser |
| [04:37:03] | iamlindoro: | That ought to show you all the deps |
| [04:37:48] | iamlindoro: | although newer versions are available now (ie kdelibs5, kdelibs5-dev) |
| [04:38:01] | sentinel23: | dude... you rock! |
| [04:39:21] | iamlindoro: | sentinel23: on the off chance you are buildin debian or ubuntu, it'd be way easier just to do apt-get build-dep mythbrowser |
| [04:39:30] | iamlindoro: | which will fetch all the deps you need to build it |
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| [04:41:36] | sentinel23: | oh man... good call |
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| [05:25:57] | abarbaccia: | hey – what is the build number for the stable 0.21 release |
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| [05:28:38] | mzb: | wow ... got BE's back up *just* in time for Shaun The Sheep ;) |
| [05:28:47] | mzb: | (4 hrs later!) |
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| [05:40:01] | gabe76r: | hello |
| [05:40:11] | cesman: | hello |
| [05:40:12] | gabe76r: | i was wondering if someone could help me with mythweb |
| [05:40:23] | gabe76r: | i tried following the INSTALL directions, but having issues still |
| [05:40:31] | gabe76r: | this is for the new version |
| [05:41:40] | cesman: | gabe76r: it would help if you stated the issue you are having |
| [05:41:49] | cesman: | gabe76r: then perhaps someone can help you |
| [05:42:08] | gabe76r: | sorry, didnt just want to spew if no one here could help |
| [05:42:12] | gabe76r: | i am getting a 403 |
| [05:42:14] | gabe76r: | You don't have permission to access /mythweb/ on this server. |
| [05:42:19] | gabe76r: | that is what is on the screen |
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| [05:42:48] | gabe76r: | then if i go straight to this url http://192.168.1.101:8080/mythweb/mythweb.php |
| [05:42:54] | gabe76r: | i get a database error |
| [05:43:02] | gabe76r: | Database Setup Error |
| [05:43:03] | gabe76r: | The database environment variables are not correctly set in the |
| [05:43:03] | gabe76r: | webserver conf or .htaccess file. Please read through the comments |
| [05:43:03] | gabe76r: | included in the file and set up the db_* environment variables correctly. |
| [05:43:29] | gabe76r: | but my database variable are the default, so i dont think i needed to change anything in the config file for that |
| [05:45:52] | gabe76r: | i sent an email to the list also, but thought i was see if anyone here could help |
| [05:48:29] | gabe76r: | any ideas? |
| [05:48:37] | orthoevra: | gabe: go to /etc/httpd/conf.d and edit mythweb.conf to point to the mythweb directory |
| [05:50:31] | gabe76r: | i think i did that already |
| [05:50:53] | gabe76r: | that was the only change i made from the stock mythweb.conf.apache |
| [05:51:09] | gabe76r: | i changed <Directory "/var/www/html" > |
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| [05:51:21] | gabe76r: | to <Directory "/var/www/html/mythweb" > |
| [05:51:33] | orthoevra: | then restarted apache? |
| [05:51:36] | gabe76r: | yeah |
| [05:52:04] | orthoevra: | hmm then as long as the db_ vars in taht file are also correct it should be ok |
| [05:52:48] | gabe76r: | they are set to the standard |
| [05:52:48] | orthoevra: | u renamed mythweb.conf.apache to mythweb.conf too right? |
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| [05:52:52] | gabe76r: | yeah |
| [05:53:33] | orthoevra: | then that should do it.. i did it on two machines today got taht error both times and after changing that file they both worked |
| [05:54:04] | gabe76r: | i uncommented out the authentication stuff also, but it is not asking me for a pwd |
| [05:54:14] | gabe76r: | which seems weird to me |
| [05:54:30] | orthoevra: | oh i didnt do go that far yet.. try re-commenting it? maybe its hitting a problem in there |
| [05:55:45] | gabe76r: | i tried first with it all commented |
| [05:55:57] | gabe76r: | and then uncommented thinking maybe that was why i got the permision denied message |
| [05:56:46] | gabe76r: | shouldnt there be an index file or something? |
| [05:56:47] | Chicago: | I am trying to finish my configuration here. Over the weekend I tried a lot of XvMC features and built a new kernel without forced pre-emption and adjusted my xorg.conf to use dynamic twinview. |
| [05:57:10] | Chicago: | I'm painting the mythfrontend window with qt. and only have two problems. |
| [05:57:34] | Chicago: | My first problem is that the XV Picture Controls do not work. The second problem is the XOSD while using XvMC is grey. |
| [05:58:02] | orthoevra: | gabe: well im using normal port 80 http://myipaddress/mythweb works here |
| [05:59:18] | gabe76r: | what do you have in <Directory . . . >?? |
| [05:59:36] | orthoevra: | /var/www/html/mythweb |
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| [06:00:02] | sentinel23: | shoot... it seemed like i got everything installed properly, but i guess my backend didn't get upgraded |
| [06:00:07] | sentinel23: | Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=40, backend=31) |
| [06:00:17] | Chicago: | My graphics card is an nvidia geforce4 mx 460... which is NV17... I don't know if my problem is only with this version of the myth app media-tv/mythtv-0.20.2_p15634 |
| [06:00:38] | sentinel23: | even though "myth-backend --version" tells me that it's 0.21 |
| [06:00:39] | gabe76r: | i wonder what i am doing wrong, this is weird |
| [06:00:40] | orthoevra: | chicago: thats old card |
| [06:00:52] | orthoevra: | sentinel: u restart the backend? |
| [06:00:59] | sentinel23: | yeah, once |
| [06:01:00] | Chicago: | orthoevra: Yes, but that should mean its supported. |
| [06:01:20] | orthoevra: | chicago: yeah.. i think that card requires the 9x version of drivers? |
| [06:01:41] | sentinel23: | i'll do it again and see what happens |
| [06:01:55] | Chicago: | orthoevra: So where can I check the changelog for versions of myth newer than mine... to see if there is better support? |
| [06:02:03] | Chicago: | orthoevra: I'm on version 96.43.05 |
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| [06:02:59] | Chicago: | orthoevra: I even tried with a older 71.86.04 version nvidia driver on a v2.6.23.-r9 kernel. |
| [06:03:06] | orthoevra: | Chicago yeah that sounds like right version.. i just installed in for a geforece4 420 go |
| [06:03:11] | Chicago: | But now, I'm using 96.43.05 on a 2.6.22-r10 kernel. |
| [06:04:04] | Chicago: | orthoevra: I have the same results in 2.6.23 as I do in 2.6.22... and I have the same results with the 96.43.01 nvidia driver as I do now with the 96.43.05 version. |
| [06:04:32] | Chicago: | It seems I forgot howto get XV Picture Controls working again... unless it was pulled out of my build for some reason? |
| [06:05:31] | orthoevra: | dunno.. see if anything here looks helpful -> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.21 |
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| [06:07:42] | mikeones: | sentinel23: whats your backend Network Protocol number |
| [06:08:17] | Chicago: | orthoevra: This one maybe? -> Fixed problem with non-GUI programs initializing OSD |
| [06:09:06] | sentinel23: | 31 |
| [06:09:30] | Chicago: | orthoevra: And the negative numbers are what happen with my XV Picture Control... so this one might apply too -> Fixed the picture adjustment for V4L2 attributes with negative values. |
| [06:09:36] | sentinel23: | i re-ran mythtv-setup, and everything looks good |
| [06:09:49] | sentinel23: | but it's still not happy |
| [06:09:58] | mikeones: | does mythbackend --version still show 31? |
| [06:10:19] | Chicago: | Or maybe -> Fix OpenGL Renderer picture controls. (Note: Experimental OpenGL renderer is disabled by dafault.) |
| [06:10:19] | sentinel23: | nope, that shows 40 |
| [06:10:38] | Chicago: | I don't understand this one. -> Fix rendering of chaff in XVideo renderer when the video buffer size is not equal to video frame size. |
| [06:14:27] | sentinel23: | everything seemed to compile ok once i satisfied all the deps |
| [06:21:07] | Aval0n: | anyone know if mpd stopped supporting shout as a supported output? |
| [06:30:25] | sentinel23: | ah ha... mythbackend.log says the BE version is still .20 |
| [06:30:32] | Chicago: | Okay.. I'm pulling in a new repository now. media-tv/mythtv-0.21_p16468 |
| [06:39:28] | sphery: | sentinel23: You should get pretty good information in the log file when Myth refuses to start (usually due to database schema version differences). |
| [06:40:16] | sphery: | Chicago: "chaff" was drawing the bottom line of a video 8 extra times (making a "smear" at the bottom of a video) or similar |
| [06:40:23] | Dagmar: | Oooh |
| [06:40:36] | Dagmar: | I *though* I was going to have mythweb streaming working for aminute there |
| [06:40:44] | Dagmar: | s/though/thought/; |
| [06:41:41] | sphery: | I thought the space shuttle launch would be worth staying up to see (since it's a night launch), but it was in the clouds so quickly is was a waste... Now I'm tired (but awake) for nothing... |
| [06:43:14] | sphery: | Wonder if it was better on TV... |
| [06:43:57] | sphery: | That will teach me to watch real life instead of recording it with Myth... |
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| [06:46:37] | sentinel23: | lol@sphery |
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| [06:49:07] | Dagmar: | Good GOD |
| [06:49:14] | sentinel23: | ? |
| [06:49:27] | Dagmar: | I'm just now getting around to looking up how the new mythWeather works |
| [06:49:35] | sentinel23: | haha |
| [06:49:44] | Dagmar: | Damn that's a serious laundry list of perl modules |
| [06:50:09] | sentinel23: | k i even tried doing another 'make install', but the log file still says "mythbackend version: 0.20.20070821–1" |
| [06:50:26] | Dagmar: | sentinel23: You have installed things using two different prefixes |
| [06:51:28] | sentinel23: | oh? you mean like in the DB? |
| [06:51:39] | sphery: | Dagmar: perl -MCPAN -e shell ; install Anything::And::Everything |
| [06:51:46] | sphery: | (just a bad joke) |
| [06:51:55] | sentinel23: | lol |
| [06:52:24] | sphery: | sentinel23: prefixes like /usr and /usr/local |
| [06:52:37] | sphery: | i.e. packages in /usr and self-compiled in /usr/local or something... |
| [06:52:45] | sentinel23: | oh! |
| [06:52:56] | sentinel23: | that's entirely possible |
| [06:53:02] | sphery: | if going from packages to self-compiled, you really need to remove all traces of packages /before/ compiling/installing |
| [06:53:22] | sphery: | just keep the DB (and, it doesn't hurt to back it up before uninstalling packages) |
| [06:54:03] | sentinel23: | insightful |
| [06:54:05] | sphery: | backup instructions at MythTV HOWTO, #23.5 |
| [06:54:06] | sentinel23: | lol |
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| [06:57:26] | sentinel23: | damn, that sounds like a bigg-ish job. especially considering how long compiling took |
| [06:57:39] | sentinel23: | i've been going at this for hours and i don't want to stop, but i need to get a couple hours sleep before work |
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| [07:00:23] | Chicago: | Alright! I made screenshots of my problem. Now I need to find a pastebin that supports attachments. |
| [07:05:34] | Chicago: | sphery: Is this the kind of "chaff" you're talking about? (using XvMC w/ opengl-vsync) http://www.privatepaste.com/111sypjMXB |
| [07:06:37] | Chicago: | This is the same OSD using the standard decoder... http://www.privatepaste.com/4e1nCCtd3W I think the fonts look much better in the color one. |
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| [07:17:16] | Dagmar: | Chicago: I was *told* that that wasn't supposed to happen in 0.21 |
| [07:17:32] | Dagmar: | The OSD was no longer supposed to be rendered using the resolution of the video |
| [07:18:18] | Gumby: | does anyone know if there is away to have more than one PinP window? |
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| [07:23:19] | Chicago: | Dagmar: We'll see soon... The opengl-video and opengl-xvmc USE flags for 0.21 mythtv in gentoo requires a new nvidia driver too. |
| [07:23:51] | Chicago: | At least it compiled... even though it warned me it was "known not to work" |
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| [07:30:26] | Chicago: | brb... starting x with new nvidia module |
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| [07:59:04] | hnitsuj: | Gumby: nope. most people's attention span is only short enough to allow for one PiP window |
| [08:00:09] | Gumby: | lol |
| [08:01:34] | hnitsuj: | btw nice chroma noise on http://www.privatepaste.com/4e1nCCtd3W – is that what passes for video quality? |
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| [08:07:50] | hnitsuj: | and Dagmar – I don't think I've ever seen the OSD look as bad as it does in either of those screenshots |
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| [08:39:37] | clever: | wtf! |
| [08:39:43] | clever: | mythbackend has 1228 open files |
| [08:39:52] | clever: | 1223 are sockets |
| [08:40:06] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: Well, that's the "godawful result" I was referring to when you watch something that's at a really low resolution |
| [08:40:14] | clever: | 1188 are ALL close_WAIT |
| [08:40:22] | Dagmar: | Put a video that's 200x200 into Myth and look at the OSD |
| [08:42:19] | clever: | mythwelcome is runing mythshutdown a shitload of times |
| [08:42:27] | clever: | causing a crapload of sockets to the master |
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| [08:51:09] | hnitsuj: | I could've sworn the OSD is rendered at the screen res in all cases now... hmpf |
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| [08:58:19] | mzb: | for anyone interested, my transition from multirec to 0.21-fixes was fairly painless |
| [08:58:23] | mzb: | however |
| [08:58:48] | mzb: | all machines seem to have had their CPU playback profiles changed|erased |
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| [08:59:07] | mzb: | (making mpeg2 unplayable on low-end machines) |
| [08:59:48] | jr_: | hi folks |
| [08:59:48] | mzb: | no other unexpected problems found (yet) |
| [08:59:53] | mzb: | nice work guys :) |
| [09:01:10] | purserj: | so myth has a new release? |
| [09:01:18] | purserj: | anyone know if gentoo has it packaged yet? |
| [09:02:20] | hnitsuj: | purserj: IME it's normally a week or two before the first ebuilds appear |
| [09:02:34] | purserj: | hnitsuj: tah |
| [09:03:17] | jr_: | folks, I am looking why I have probs on four channels on dvbt which have changed transponder recently |
| [09:04:00] | purserj: | have you rescanned? |
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| [09:13:42] | hnitsuj: | if channels move around transponders, or transponders change frequencies... you need to rescan |
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| [09:17:27] | purserj: | oooh there is a masked ebuild, dare I risk family wrath and emerge |
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| [09:19:56] | Nasha: | Hello ppl. Im getting an error: "Hash sum mismatch" when trying to apt-get update. Can anyone shed some light? |
| [09:20:00] | marvin-gandalf: | sorry – was in a phone call |
| [09:20:21] | Dagmar: | Ask in your distribution's channel |
| [09:20:27] | purserj: | Nasha: that sounds more like an ubuntu/debian issue rather than myth |
| [09:20:54] | marvin-gandalf: | reg. transponder change -yes, i did a scan of the channels, and mythtv find the channels, seems even if it collected EIT data for a while ; but now i cannot what live tv on the four channels on this transponder |
| [09:20:58] | Nasha: | Ok ill try, but that channel never responds lol |
| [09:21:13] | Dagmar: | Nashe: Well, it's their problem, not ours. |
| [09:21:19] | marvin-gandalf: | OSD shows "L_s" instead of "LMS" |
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| [09:22:08] | marvin-gandalf: | i tried to search "mythtv" and "LMS" – but seems as if there is no easy-to-findinformation what it is about |
| [09:23:04] | marvin-gandalf: | so question is: Why does mythtv find the channel in scan, cannot tune to it in live tv while it is perfectly possible to watch these channels in mplayer & kaffeine? |
| [09:24:15] | marvin-gandalf: | anybody able to anser? |
| [09:24:25] | hnitsuj: | because mythtv is not mplayer or kaffeine? |
| [09:24:38] | hnitsuj: | its code is completely different... |
| [09:25:07] | hnitsuj: | maybe your provider is doing something non-standard that mplayer & kaffeine have workarounds for |
| [09:25:25] | marvin-gandalf: | does anybody have had similar issues? |
| [09:25:42] | purserj: | right I've backed up the myth db, now to check with the wife to see if an upgrade is acceptable |
| [09:25:53] | hnitsuj: | run mythbackend with -v siparser & see what that outputs |
| [09:26:18] | hnitsuj: | marvin-gandalf: did you delete all the channels before rescanning? sometimes it's necessary to do that |
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| [09:32:47] | DGnome: | Anybody have mysql tuning tips? I find it a bit disturbing that browsing the program guide causes disk activity for every time I move along the timeline... Or could it be something else than mysql? |
| [09:33:25] | hnitsuj: | could be swapping |
| [09:33:35] | DGnome: | Huge performance issue if the data has to be read fro disk for every push of the button.. |
| [09:33:44] | hnitsuj: | how much ram have you got & which theme (and at which res) are you using? |
| [09:34:16] | DGnome: | 1GB, mythcenter, 1920x1080 |
| [09:34:57] | DGnome: | I have another box with same amount of ram and same theme but 1280x768 res which has the same phenomenon |
| [09:34:59] | hnitsuj: | the -wide version I hope ;) |
| [09:35:01] | marvin-gandalf: | i just followed the advice to run -v siparser (and i added a few other) seing the error msg "Program not found it PAT" – which isn'T a surprise for me as I can see a bit up in the log that mytht did choose a wrong frequency (594Mhz vs. 730MHZ in this case) |
| [09:35:18] | DGnome: | hnitsuj: the wide version lhas more bugs than the non wide |
| [09:35:27] | DGnome: | hnitsuj: so, nope, not wide |
| [09:35:28] | hnitsuj: | marvin-gandalf: then my advice would be to delete the troublesome channels, then re-scan |
| [09:35:34] | hnitsuj: | DGnome: so report the problems then |
| [09:35:55] | marvin-gandalf: | yep, i think i did it yesterday -but i did too much finally to be sure i did it also after last db restore :-) |
| [09:35:59] | hnitsuj: | or in other words, serves you right for using mythcenter :P |
| [09:36:00] | DGnome: | hnitsuj: yah, sometime, but you think it's due to swapping? |
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| [09:36:26] | hnitsuj: | DGnome: I dunno. I don't have the problem on my backend with only 512MB |
| [09:36:51] | DGnome: | hnitsuj: okay.. weird, has to be mysql related |
| [09:37:17] | marvin-gandalf: | btw, i thought siparser is about "SIP", the protocol used in the VoIP world... |
| [09:37:27] | DGnome: | have to run some more tests |
| [09:37:38] | marvin-gandalf: | thx hnitsuj to point me to that |
| [09:37:49] | hnitsuj: | marvin-gandalf: no, service information |
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| [09:38:13] | hnitsuj: | dvb streams have a number of tables containing information about channels & other things contained within the stream |
| [09:38:52] | marvin-gandalf: | yes, i know – but didn'T get the link between the term "siparser" and the dvb stuff; maybe because i am usually more telco-focused :-) |
| [09:40:10] | Dagmar: | Wow |
| [09:40:13] | Dagmar: | GLARING error in the wiki |
| [09:40:22] | Dagmar: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythWeb#Other_Linux_Flavors |
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| [09:40:41] | hnitsuj: | yeah they spelled 'flavours' wrongly :P |
| [09:40:41] | DGnome: | hnitsuj: according to xosview, I have 400k read per move along timeline |
| [09:40:49] | DGnome: | hnitsuj: sound like alot? |
| [09:40:54] | despen: | Any swedes here who uses mythtv and comhem? |
| [09:41:15] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: No, some jackass who didn't actually know what he was doing went in there and changed AuthType from Basic to Digest without actually updating the _rest_ of the framework in that section |
| [09:41:38] | hnitsuj: | DGnome: dunno tbh |
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| [09:41:47] | DGnome: | despen: propably not, but I use similar stuff to watch tv as you do |
| [09:42:04] | sid3wind1: | Dagmar: I see htdigest in the rest of the instructions? |
| [09:42:08] | hnitsuj: | Dagmar: whoops. good job I normally manage to stumble around & get mythweb worky by myself then :) |
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| [09:43:02] | DGnome: | hnitsuj: is there someone who might know more of this? |
| [09:43:24] | purserj: | okay before I approach the manager are there any know major issues with upgrading from .20 to .21? |
| [09:45:09] | despen: | DGnome: What is the HW requirements? Can I use an old p3/1000? |
| [09:46:27] | despen: | I want to use my card and share so the kids can see their stuff and I want to see soccer (= |
| [09:46:50] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: Okay. Amateurs have been at this page pretty heavily |
| [09:49:05] | Dagmar: | I'm going to rewrite a big chunk of this crap onto it's own page |
| [09:50:17] | DGnome: | despen: first off, cardsharing is not discussed here. P3 1GHz might be a bit slow. My 2.0GHz amd64 gives me nice sdtv playback with good deinterlacing. |
| [09:50:42] | DGnome: | despen: but you can have multiple frontends that share the content |
| [09:51:15] | directhex|work: | 1ghz p3 is a sensible minimum, if you use a decent tv card |
| [09:52:20] | despen: | directhex|work: I want to use as cheap card as possible and as low powered/silent computer as possible. |
| [09:53:36] | directhex|work: | a cheap card won't take you far |
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| [09:54:31] | DGnome: | despen: and if you are going to go HD, p3 will not suffice unless you find a FF-card with H.264 support |
| [09:55:15] | despen: | DGnome: What is the best choice for HDTV then? |
| [09:55:35] | despen: | which is as cheap as possible |
| [09:56:14] | DGnome: | despen: socalled budget tuners and intel E8200 or similar cpu at this moment |
| [09:56:37] | DGnome: | E6550 should be sufficient |
| [09:57:14] | DGnome: | combined with a good case + PSU, tou get a silent, energy efficient when idle and powerful box |
| [09:57:26] | directhex|work: | i'm sure i ran some benchmarks |
| [09:57:27] | DGnome: | s/tou/you/ |
| [09:57:43] | directhex|work: | anyone remember how low i got this machine whilst still playing hd h264? |
| [09:57:47] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj? |
| [09:58:04] | DGnome: | 1.8GHz? |
| [09:58:06] | anykey_: | directhex|work: think 1.6ghz was about 90% cpu useage |
| [09:58:28] | DGnome: | directhex|work: is it a pentium-m cpu? |
| [09:58:44] | directhex|work: | DGnome, core2 |
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| [09:58:50] | Dagmar: | Whoops |
| [09:58:53] | Dagmar: | I just realized something |
| [09:58:58] | directhex|work: | Feb 22 14:01:42 <directhex|work> 1.00ghz: ./mplayer -vo xv -fs -lavdopts threads=2:fast bbc.hd.ts: **** Your system is too SLOW to play this! **** |
| [09:59:03] | directhex|work: | Feb 22 14:01:04 <directhex|work> 1.33ghz: ./mplayer -vo xv -fs -lavdopts threads=2:fast bbc.hd.ts: 75–90% on one core, 80–90% on the other |
| [09:59:08] | directhex|work: | Feb 22 14:00:15 <directhex|work> 1.50ghz: ./mplayer -vo xv -fs -lavdopts threads=2:fast bbc.hd.ts: 70–90% on one core, 70–80% on the other (possible framerate surges? i may be imagining it) |
| [09:59:09] | Dagmar: | It appears that mythweb might allow people to change the parental control levels on certain files |
| [09:59:13] | directhex|work: | Feb 22 13:59:24 <directhex|work> 1.67ghz: ./mplayer -vo xv -fs -lavdopts threads=2:fast bbc.hd.ts: 65–75% on one core, 65–80% on the other |
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| [10:00:23] | DGnome: | directhex|work: not to forget that deinterlacing is not accounted there |
| [10:00:55] | DGnome: | which will be a problem |
| [10:01:16] | despen: | DGnome: What about a athlon x2 be-2400? (half the price of a e6550) |
| [10:01:20] | DGnome: | to get 50Hz video from that 1080i boradcast may require a buckful och CPU:s :) |
| [10:02:05] | DGnome: | despen: it's a bit slow for good HD playback afaik. |
| [10:02:25] | directhex|work: | (amd chips suck) |
| [10:02:35] | anykey_: | DGnome: as long as you don't use greedy/yadif deinterlacers with hd, it should be ok |
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| [10:03:22] | DGnome: | anykey_: kernel sucks, blend is utter crap, bob can go to h*ll, ehat's left? |
| [10:04:10] | hashbang: | DGnome: a proper interlaced display and video drivers that work properly. :-) |
| [10:04:13] | anykey_: | DGnome: nothing. But HD should be progressive anyway, imho |
| [10:04:14] | DGnome: | lavcdeint would be a nice compromise |
| [10:04:38] | DGnome: | anykey_: Euro HD broadcasts are 1080i h.264 |
| [10:04:59] | DGnome: | hashbang: nvidia and interlaced modes? |
| [10:05:07] | anykey_: | DGnome: you're wrong |
| [10:06:02] | DGnome: | only "good" methods are GreedyH 2x and Yadif 2x ... |
| [10:06:02] | anykey_: | DGnome: the EU suggests broadcasting in 720p h.264, HD suisse (SRG, Switzerland), ORF HD (Austria) do this. I know that not all broadcasters (Anixe HD etc) broadcast this way, unfortunately |
| [10:06:40] | DGnome: | anykey_: most are 1080i |
| [10:06:50] | DGnome: | so, problem persists |
| [10:08:58] | despen: | I will only use 720p (comhem uses this) will that lower my HW requirments? |
| [10:09:47] | DGnome: | I'd recomend an E8200 anyway because of energy efficiency isues |
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| [10:10:27] | DGnome: | the BE2400 may cope with it when we get the skiploopfilter option into mythfrontend internal player |
| [10:10:37] | mzb_d800: | is xvmc-opengl likely to help me more than xvmc-blit ? |
| [10:11:02] | mzb_d800: | this is playback on a p3–866 with mx440 |
| [10:12:43] | directhex|work: | DGnome, iirc the setting si read from the db, but not in the ui |
| [10:14:48] | DGnome: | despen: this amd x2 4800 (2.5GHz) plays SVT HD at core 1 67% and coer 2 77% load |
| [10:15:15] | DGnome: | despen: without skiploopfilter and with Internal player |
| [10:15:32] | despen: | what is skiploopfilter? |
| [10:16:17] | DGnome: | despen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264 <-- look for deblock |
| [10:17:08] | despen: | ok, will do (= |
| [10:18:29] | DGnome: | despen: tv with HDMI inputs and an nvidia gfx is recommended for most ease of use |
| [10:20:35] | despen: | DGnome: I was hoping to use a AMD 780 motherboard and a cheap AMD CPU. Since they are nicely priced |
| [10:21:05] | despen: | and the cheapest supported DVB-C card I could find. |
| [10:21:29] | despen: | AMD780 have support for h264 built in.. |
| [10:21:50] | marvin-gandalf: | so – a few db-restores later, it seems as if the multiplex-id in the table channels links to a worng record in dtv_multiplex; this sounds like a perfect situation to re-scan all channels; but for whatever reason scan does not work at all; |
| [10:22:05] | marvin-gandalf: | i had the same issue yesterday, but it resovled "magically" without me knowing why |
| [10:22:55] | marvin-gandalf: | i can tune to certain tv channels – so mythtv has a signal – but mythtv-setup times out and core-dumps finally |
| [10:23:41] | marvin-gandalf: | btw, i removed anything which sounded like "*myht*" yesterday and re-installed fresh – 0.21 |
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| [10:25:00] | Frosty-: | This record many times on 1 multiplex feature is amazing :) |
| [10:25:17] | Frosty-: | Now the first tuner is never used to record, freeing it up for livetv :) |
| [10:25:34] | directhex|work: | despen, 1) amd/ati is utter shit in linux 2) there's no h264 gpu acceleration in linux with any vendor |
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| [10:28:48] | despen: | directhex|work: aha.. ok |
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| [10:34:20] | hashbang: | DGnome: exactly. The bug where scanlines get doubled in Xv when outputting to an interlaced display. :-C |
| [10:35:37] | hashbang: | DGnome: sadly, I don't have enough CPU to use opengl or Xshm as output |
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| [10:39:31] | vortex`: | i've got my DVB-T card setup finally, the digital channels seem to work well; but the HD/1080i channels pictures work, but I dont get any sound. If i watch the stream in mplayer it says there's no audio. Would this be an issue with the card, software or my Ariel? |
| [10:44:00] | hashbang: | vortex`: well, as you're using DVB, the card and aerial appear to be working, otherwise you'd probably be getting no picture or corruption |
| [10:44:23] | hashbang: | vortex`: that suggests a problem with the stream as broadcast, or the player software isn't finding the audio streams that are there |
| [10:44:46] | hashbang: | vortex`: mplayer spits out some stream information when it starts playing; want to pastebin some output? |
| [10:45:00] | vortex`: | ok, 1 sec. |
| [10:47:16] | vortex`: | http://pastebin.ca/938013 |
| [10:47:26] | vortex`: | output as mplayer plays the stream |
| [10:47:40] | despen: | Oh well, I just found out that comhem pairs the cards the box which uses it for playback. No httpc for then.. |
| [10:48:03] | vortex`: | tuned the card with tzap -r -c ~/tzap/channels.conf "7 HD Digital" |
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| [10:50:18] | hashbang: | vortex`: weird. Perhaps the SD video is on the same mplex, and the software is expected to pull the audio stream(s) from that? |
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| [10:51:42] | hnitsuj: | claim adviser dealt with, time to go to work |
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| [10:54:37] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, any progress? |
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| [11:05:20] | hashbang: | anyone know about multirec here? |
| [11:05:44] | hashbang: | specifically, is a single-tuner Hauppauge Nova-T capable of passing the complete transport stream to software demux? |
| [11:05:51] | hashbang: | I know the dual-tuner Nova-T-500 is |
| [11:09:08] | hashbang: | and also, does the dvb-usb message imply that DVB devices have a hardware demuxer that's normally used if multirec isn't in operation? |
| [11:11:55] | marvin-gandalf: | Guys – I am lost – hope you are the experts: I deleted _everything_: channels, transponder, etc; Added the one(!) transpoder (730MHZ) which is failing and made a scan on "known transponder"; myhttv-setup finds the four channels there, but when i look into table channels/dtv_multiplex, i can see that dtv_multplex has now a new entry with 594 MHZ and the channel multiplex-id point them there;... |
| [11:11:57] | marvin-gandalf: | ...anyone a idea how the new value came into the DB? I would even edit the DB table to make the channels work... |
| [11:16:04] | DGnome: | despen: ATI gfx is not fun with linux atm. |
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| [11:16:18] | orko: | hi. |
| [11:16:43] | DGnome: | despen: ant the h.264 support only exists in windowsland |
| [11:17:11] | despen: | DGnome: Duh! |
| [11:17:36] | orko: | i am using mythtv from www.debian-multimedia.org. Upgrading to 0.21 faisl becuase mythtv.common does not configure. does somebody know about this? |
| [11:18:30] | DGnome: | despen: xorg now supports radeon HD 24xx 26xx 29xx but the kernel radeon driver does not, no go, fglrx drivers are pain in any language |
| [11:18:38] | orko: | i tired dpkg --configure but did not work either. apt-get --reinstall did not work too |
| [11:18:56] | marvin-gandalf: | anybody out there? i changed the frequ in the db table – and seems as if i have luck; I can seen the channels now; how do I get the scan now to link the four records in table channels to the correct entries in dtv_multiplex? |
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| [11:24:47] | despen: | DGnome: Ok, but I have just read that comhem pairs the HD card with the box you get when you buy the HD package. SO you can't watch the channels on you pc at all. |
| [11:27:25] | directhex|work: | that's common enough |
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| [11:34:17] | marvin-gandalf: | I suppose I found a probable error in the scanning in mythtv-setup – as described above: I scan the (only) transponder @730MHZ, get 4 channels on the 730MHZ TP, and afterwards, I find a second transponder @594MHT and the four channels are linked to the 594MHT transponder – which cannot work, of course; I manually edited the dtv_multiplex table and changed 594MHZ to 730MHZ, added manually... |
| [11:34:18] | marvin-gandalf: | let me just test whether somebody can hear me – or am i writing into nothing? |
| [11:34:20] | marvin-gandalf: | ...the reamining transponders for my area and it seems as if I now have all my channels back |
| [11:36:55] | marvin-gandalf: | ok, nobody seems to be out there... |
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| [11:38:55] | hashbang: | marvin-gandalf: perhaps no-one with DVB-T experience in Germany is here right now... |
| [11:40:45] | marvin-gandalf: | well, yes, could be that there is a general means to broadcast the list of transponders in one transponder and the provider @730 has simply misconfigured it – the final question for me is: is it a bug in mythtv or in the TP/channel configuration of the broadcaster |
| [11:41:25] | marvin-gandalf: | if it is a bug, i could file it to help others to avoid this trap; otherwise – could try to write to the broadcaster.... |
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| [11:44:22] | DGnome: | despen: bummer. |
| [11:45:26] | DGnome: | despen: when there is a will, there is a way, keep looking on various forums and you may find a solution |
| [11:45:57] | marvin-gandalf: | one of the reasons why i ended up here :-) |
| [11:45:59] | hnitsuj: | directhex|work: no progress still. come on – be realistic – 2 months haven' |
| [11:46:06] | hnitsuj: | haven't passed yet! |
| [11:47:19] | hnitsuj: | marvin-gandalf: like I said earlier – seems like the broadcaster is doing something non-standard |
| [11:48:08] | hnitsuj: | directhex|work: been without a car for too long now – will take time off work & go seriously car shopping. can't sit on my arse waiting for a cheque |
| [11:48:39] | hnitsuj: | and from what I can gather it's amazing I even have a replacement car at all for a non-accident claim |
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| [11:56:07] | hnitsuj: | according to the adviser who visited this morning the police have been known to trace mobiles stolen in burglaries & had some success. seems it's up to the individual force what their policy is :-\ |
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| [12:30:28] | ** bagpuss_thecat sighs as Myth continues to segfault randomly ** | |
| [12:30:50] | ** bagpuss_thecat writes a watcher script ** | |
| [12:30:57] | bagpuss_thecat: | sad bloody state of affairs |
| [12:31:17] | hnitsuj: | build it with gdb & get a backtrace or 2 |
| [12:31:30] | ** bagpuss_thecat will ** | |
| [12:31:45] | bagpuss_thecat: | although my time is extremely limited |
| [12:33:38] | mzb_d800: | out of interest, I've revisited the idea of enabling xmvc-opengl on my builds ... but without success. |
| [12:34:01] | mzb_d800: | What am I missing? (don't take into account my brain;) |
| [12:35:21] | mzb_d800: | can it be as simple as: ./configure --xvmc-lib=XvMCNVIDIA ??? |
| [12:40:13] | mzb_d800: | ah well ... I'll check tomorrow to see if it works ... gnite all |
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| [12:42:23] | hnitsuj: | is it just me or are there more female users of mythtv popping up these days? |
| [12:43:35] | hnitsuj: | nevermind – false alarm. turned out to be spam :P |
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| [12:45:49] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: Hah. Tell me about it. |
| [12:46:03] | Dagmar: | Maybe 1 in 15 registrations over at DLG's forums isn't a spammer |
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| [12:46:16] | Dagmar: | I know when I check it in a few minutes, I'll have at least four new spamming accounts since yesterday |
| [12:46:34] | Dagmar: | At least my "word substitution vandalism" is making their attempts largely ineffective tho |
| [12:46:38] | ** Davo_Dinkum thinks hd tuners will be worth it ** | |
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| [13:26:23] | hashbang: | bagpuss_thecat: frontend or backend? |
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| [13:28:42] | bagpuss_thecat: | hashbang: backend 0.20.2.svn20080126–0.1 |
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| [13:33:11] | psofa: | anyone knows if there are extra criteria in trunk for input number interlaced mode in the mode/decoder list? |
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| [13:48:15] | hnitsuj: | say who? |
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| [13:56:21] | s_g_robertson: | hello all, I'm hoping someone can maybe help me diagnose some problems with mythweb |
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| [14:16:30] | sjkwizard: | !help |
| [14:16:39] | sjkwizard: | !list |
| [14:16:59] | sjkwizard: | !help plugin |
| [14:17:09] | sjkwizard: | !help rssfeed |
| [14:17:35] | sjkwizard: | !rssfeed list |
| [14:18:04] | sjkwizard: | !rssfeed enable |
| [14:20:25] | directhex|work: | sjkwizard, what exactly are you doing? |
| [14:21:10] | Dagmar: | I'll be damned. Slowly but surely the sucks page is starting to become maybe a bit useful |
| [14:22:02] | hnitsuj: | sjkwizard: this is not a warez channel, you chuff! |
| [14:24:21] | hnitsuj: | Dagmar: cool. assuming you have a remote with enough instances of an axe attachment |
| [14:24:28] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [14:24:41] | Dagmar: | well, THAT particular issue seems to be mostly settled now |
| [14:25:35] | Dagmar: | There are some other issues that are acutlly getting hashed out and firmed up from the usual mode of "ME WANT SHINY!" that feature requests come from |
| [14:26:07] | Dagmar: | I see a number of people echoing my sentiment that maybe it's not a good thing to have Recorded Programs and MythVideo's stashes handled entirely separately |
| [14:26:30] | hnitsuj: | I heartily disagree |
| [14:26:37] | jduggan: | i think it should be configurable |
| [14:26:39] | jduggan: | :) |
| [14:26:42] | jduggan: | now do it |
| [14:26:44] | jduggan: | damnit |
| [14:26:50] | jduggan: | WOT DO WE PAY YOU GUYS FOR |
| [14:26:54] | jduggan: | :\ |
| [14:27:05] | hnitsuj: | hey I'm just doing what I'm paid to do :P |
| [14:27:10] | hnitsuj: | (nothing) |
| [14:27:10] | jduggan: | hehe |
| [14:27:29] | jduggan: | it's a hard life :) |
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| [14:33:24] | Dagmar: | Having them both use *one* db to store all their files in would also eliminate the problem with people trying to REimport recordings |
| [14:33:42] | Dagmar: | This *could* actually be much simpler than it currently is from the coding standpoint. |
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| [14:34:07] | Dagmar: | Having the two UIs is fine, but having to maintain two separate methods for getting at files on the same disks is a bit questionable |
| [14:37:09] | hnitsuj: | if they're going to be more integrated, bring both UIs together then |
| [14:37:55] | Dagmar: | I'm not particularly averse to that |
| [14:38:08] | Dagmar: | ...but it might be hard to get one codebase doing both types of media representation |
| [14:38:17] | hnitsuj: | not with mythui |
| [14:38:18] | Dagmar: | Probably it would be easier to work out the db backend issues first |
| [14:38:23] | Dagmar: | Oh I keep forgetting about that |
| [14:38:24] | Dagmar: | damnit |
| [14:38:49] | hnitsuj: | I mean sure have separate views, maybe different menu items still, but make the similar parts act & look similarly ;) |
| [14:39:18] | Dagmar: | Yeah, I think the most substantive thing I'm suggesting is to stop using individual numbered freakin' lists for everything |
| [14:39:46] | ** iamlindoro_ chuckles at "my time is extremely limited." ** | |
| [14:39:48] | Dagmar: | While some people might go nuts and assign 20 genres to one show, most people are going to find it useful to be able to apply _two_ genre tags to a lot of stuff |
| [14:40:13] | Dagmar: | ...and for the purposes of sorting/listing things, it doesn't make anything else any more complex |
| [14:40:41] | Dagmar: | I mentioned Torchwood on there specifically because it's annoying the shit out of me |
| [14:40:52] | hnitsuj: | it annoys me |
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| [14:41:11] | hnitsuj: | mostly because it's shite :P |
| [14:41:17] | Dagmar: | That it's basically a genre-straddler, or you just don't like all the male-male kissing? |
| [14:41:38] | Dagmar: | I think I've had "enough" of the man-on-man action for this season, but I like the show just fine |
| [14:41:43] | hnitsuj: | it's just shit |
| [14:41:54] | Dagmar: | You probably don't like Doctor Who, either |
| [14:42:03] | hnitsuj: | more than Torchwood |
| [14:42:12] | jackson: | Doctor Who has lots of man-on-man action? |
| [14:42:17] | hnitsuj: | something to do for 40 mins |
| [14:42:22] | Dibblah: | ... That's just because the new season hasn't started yet. |
| [14:42:30] | Dagmar: | Okay, I will grant you that Dr. Who is better than Torchwood, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a bad show |
| [14:42:42] | Dibblah: | ... Objects in the rear view mirror may appear better than they were... |
| [14:42:42] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: I know I have by doubts about that dowdy red-headed woman |
| [14:42:47] | hnitsuj: | hheh it's not bad in the sense that Lost is ;) |
| [14:42:54] | Dagmar: | I was wanting to see the little blonde detective girl more |
| [14:43:48] | jduggan: | Lost pisses me off, but i still cant stop watching it |
| [14:43:51] | jduggan: | :( |
| [14:44:02] | ** hnitsuj cancels jduggan's Sky subs ** | |
| [14:44:06] | hnitsuj: | job done :D |
| [14:44:10] | jduggan: | haha |
| [14:44:15] | jduggan: | i dont have sky :) |
| [14:44:22] | jduggan: | cancel my broadband :P |
| [14:44:39] | hnitsuj: | dahn dan da da dan.. breakin' da law.. |
| [14:44:41] | ** iamlindoro_ thinks jduggan is making use of proper MKV seeking ** | |
| [14:44:56] | hnitsuj: | seeking as in seeking & going finding :P |
| [14:46:03] | jduggan: | hnitsuj: no law breaking :) |
| [14:48:06] | Dagmar: | Oh wait... |
| [14:48:08] | Dagmar: | I see... |
| [14:48:14] | Dagmar: | You guys are just now getting Lost over there. |
| [14:48:20] | Dagmar: | I've got bad news for you. |
| [14:48:36] | Dagmar: | The name refers to the writer's relationship to any form of recognizable plot |
| [14:48:54] | Dagmar: | It _never_ makes any sense |
| [14:49:19] | DustyBin: | would somone mind creating a patch what makes my .21 backend crash like the old days, everything feels too perfect now ive installed .21 :P |
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| [14:50:12] | Dagmar: | DustyBin: gimme about 20 minutes and I'll come up with a nice shell script for you |
| [14:50:22] | DustyBin: | :D |
| [14:51:34] | jackson: | that a candidate for the feature request on the Sucks page? |
| [14:51:58] | jarle: | DustyBin: my backend is still crashing several times each day :( (including latest svn) |
| [14:52:07] | jduggan: | does commflagging only work where myth handles the broadcast direct? im takin composite input from a cable box and it doesnt seem to flag anything at all? |
| [14:52:22] | iamlindoro_: | MythTV .22 will operate entirely from a single button marked "Easy" that reads your mind. |
| [14:53:01] | iamlindoro_: | jduggan, myth can (attempt to) commflag anything it captures regardless of source |
| [14:53:35] | DustyBin: | jarle: maybe its your tv card whats making it crash? |
| [14:55:17] | jarle: | DustyBin: I have suspected that it might be either tv card (Terratec Cinergy 1200 DVB-S) or buggy EIT scanning. I have now installed svn from source, and will try disabling EIT scanning to try narrowing down the problem... |
| [14:55:49] | DustyBin: | ok |
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| [14:56:18] | jduggan: | iamlindoro_: its never commflagged a single episode from the ~4 channels ive tested (channel 4/E4/5/ITV) |
| [14:56:22] | DustyBin: | make sure all the sources what plug into your tv card are of high quality |
| [14:56:51] | DustyBin: | poor signals could be causing backend issues |
| [14:57:24] | DustyBin: | the backend might receive some malformed packets and doesnt know what to do with them then crashes? |
| [14:57:39] | jarle: | DustyBin: luckily I have monit automatically restarting the backend when it crashes, but I still get some of the recordings divided into several parts (if it happens during a recording), which is not so fun |
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| [14:58:31] | jarle: | DustyBin: I have a lot of channels with low signal quality... |
| [14:58:47] | DustyBin: | maybe its worth removing those channels completely |
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| [14:59:02] | DustyBin: | or invest in a antenna and masthead amp |
| [15:00:56] | jarle: | DustyBin: I have set the channels with low signal quality to visible=0 and useonairguide=0, if I delete them I'll guess they will just end up in the db when I scan for new channels.. |
| [15:01:40] | s_g_robertson: | anyone got any clues on why I would get this error in mythweb Fatal error: Call to undefined function: storagegroup_select() in /var/www/mythweb/modules/tv/tmpl/lite/detail.php on line 365 |
| [15:01:41] | DustyBin: | even the channels what you think have signal quality are still not good enough |
| [15:01:47] | DustyBin: | good |
| [15:02:31] | jarle: | DustyBin: Then I should try fix the problem in the source instead of the input, guess I'm not the only one with this problem.. |
| [15:02:56] | sebrock_: | are there any .dsc packages available? |
| [15:03:04] | DustyBin: | first make sure your source is of the best possible quality, then look at the input |
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| [15:04:06] | jsumners: | will MythTV use OpenGL to render video? |
| [15:04:17] | directhex|work: | on 0.21, yes |
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| [15:04:30] | Dagmar: | So, PVR-350 video out is being tossed? |
| [15:04:39] | Dagmar: | ...or are things relying on Mesa for that now? |
| [15:04:46] | jsumners: | directhex|work: i'm seeing that it will using OpenGL for the menus, but it doesn't mention video |
| [15:05:06] | jarle: | DustyBin: My source is at the best possible quality, I'm getting DVB-S from Astra2 which I am just barely able to get using a big dish, so I have done whatever possible to get the best signal possible.. |
| [15:05:23] | directhex|work: | jsumners, you asked and received a correct answer. if you want to disagree with reality, feel free |
| [15:05:32] | directhex|work: | Dagmar, it's optional |
| [15:05:36] | directhex|work: | Dagmar, xv remains the default |
| [15:05:39] | jsumners: | directhex|work: i believe you, i just don't see it on the website |
| [15:05:43] | Dagmar: | ah |
| [15:06:00] | directhex|work: | it's in between the direct3d and mac mpeg2 acceleration renderers |
| [15:09:31] | jsumners: | ah! i see. it's noted to be experimental. have you found it work well? |
| [15:11:57] | iamlindoro_: | It works as well as a sane person would expect experimental software to work, but better have a very specific set of drivers |
| [15:12:11] | GreyFoxx: | jsumners: It looks good in general, but uses more CPU than plain XV output |
| [15:13:01] | jsumners: | i ask because i just found out the video card i ordered isn't going to be offloading any decoding from the main CPU. if i can at least make it do all of the rendering, then that will keep processor load down |
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| [15:14:13] | iamlindoro_: | jsumners, What card? If it's nVidia anything, you are far better off using Xv if CPU usage is a concern |
| [15:14:21] | iamlindoro_: | and if it's ATI, shame on you |
| [15:14:32] | jsumners: | iamlindoro_: it's an nvidia 8500GT |
| [15:14:40] | jsumners: | it does NOT support XvMC |
| [15:14:49] | iamlindoro_: | You don't need XvMC |
| [15:14:53] | iamlindoro_: | Xv will be fine |
| [15:14:57] | jsumners: | okay |
| [15:15:00] | iamlindoro_: | XvMC should be avoided like the plague |
| [15:15:03] | jsumners: | heh |
| [15:15:10] | jsumners: | why do you say that? |
| [15:15:28] | iamlindoro_: | Because the drawbacks far far outweigh the minimal advantages |
| [15:15:41] | PatrickDK: | xvmc give you extra speed at the loss of a crapload of features |
| [15:15:50] | jsumners: | oh? |
| [15:16:02] | iamlindoro_: | not to mention being painfully buggy |
| [15:16:18] | PatrickDK: | on my system, it runs slower with xvmc anyways |
| [15:16:31] | jsumners: | the only concern i have with using the CPU too much is fan noise. my video card is passively cooled |
| [15:16:39] | iamlindoro_: | xvmc should only be used when your system is just barely too slow to play mpeg-2 content, and even then it's probably smarter just to buy better hardware |
| [15:17:02] | jsumners: | the CPU is going to be an Athlon 64 X2 4000+. so it can certainly handle whatever video i throw at it |
| [15:17:21] | PatrickDK: | I am doing water cooling, and then using the the largest and slowest/quiet fans I can to cool the radiator |
| [15:17:42] | iamlindoro_: | you shouldn't even be considering XvMC, then |
| [15:18:16] | iamlindoro_: | (which, as you mentioned, you can't anyway ;) |
| [15:18:20] | jsumners: | :) |
| [15:18:35] | sentinel23: | hey folks |
| [15:18:39] | sentinel23: | I need to wipe out old packages before I recompile .21. Will 'apt-get remove' do the job, or do I need something more thorough? |
| [15:18:48] | hnitsuj: | rm -rf / |
| [15:18:50] | iamlindoro_: | I'd add --purge, jsumners |
| [15:18:58] | sentinel23: | i considered that |
| [15:18:59] | iamlindoro_: | er sorry, sentinel23 |
| [15:19:10] | hnitsuj: | oops. somebody might smite me for that. |
| [15:19:18] | sentinel23: | haha |
| [15:19:22] | jsumners: | i guess i will stick with Xv and skip the OpenGL renderer then |
| [15:19:23] | iamlindoro_: | oh hnitsuj, I'm already smitten with you |
| [15:19:25] | jsumners: | thanks guys |
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| [15:19:32] | sentinel23: | lol |
| [15:19:33] | hnitsuj: | well, it's like knowing when to cross the road isn't it? ;) |
| [15:20:12] | sentinel23: | clearly best when traffic's the heaviest |
| [15:20:16] | sentinel23: | clearly |
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| [15:22:22] | ** iamlindoro_ wishes a pox on XvMC ** | |
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| [15:24:17] | waini: | hi |
| [15:24:24] | sentinel23: | hey there |
| [15:24:42] | iamlindoro_: | aloha |
| [15:24:53] | marvin-gandalf_: | just to let you know – i now found that "my" problem is known already, see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4138 |
| [15:25:25] | iamlindoro_: | marvin-gandalf_, "your" problem also shows as closed/solved ;) |
| [15:25:47] | marvin-gandalf_: | oops – still exists – exactly my observation |
| [15:25:50] | waini: | is 0.21 really stable or more beta? |
| [15:25:58] | sentinel23: | i've got a problem with conflicting prefixes, apparently. is it possible to find out which prefix is being used by my old packages, and tell .21 source to use that? |
| [15:26:17] | iamlindoro_: | waini, largely a matter of personal experience/opinion... I find recent builds to be farrrr more feature rich and stable |
| [15:26:33] | iamlindoro_: | sentinel23, "which mythbackend" |
| [15:26:47] | iamlindoro_: | if it's /usr/local/bin then your prefix is /usr/local |
| [15:26:57] | iamlindoro_: | if it's /usr/bin then your prefix is /usr |
| [15:27:06] | marvin-gandalf_: | sorry – was not far enough in the history : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/188473 |
| [15:28:04] | iamlindoro_: | marvin-gandalf_, Ubuntu bugs do us little good :) |
| [15:28:14] | marvin-gandalf_: | lol |
| [15:28:25] | iamlindoro_: | but of the three referenced, one is still open |
| [15:28:26] | marvin-gandalf_: | but – anyway – maybe still a prob in mythtv? |
| [15:29:09] | iamlindoro_: | It appears that #3640 is actually the core bug, and if that sounds right, then yes, probably |
| [15:29:11] | marvin-gandalf_: | in one fo the posts (I do all this stuff in parallel to some phone confs) there is a tzap2myth awk script ; I think I will use it for a while |
| [15:29:45] | marvin-gandalf_: | as soon as i leave the call around deep details of opensim |
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| [15:33:11] | sentinel23: | k that gave me my current prefix, can I force 21 to use that? |
| [15:33:18] | sentinel23: | and therefore just install overtop |
| [15:33:24] | iamlindoro_: | sentinel23, only if you compile it with that prefix |
| [15:33:47] | iamlindoro_: | ie ./configure --prefix=/usr/etc/etc/etc/etc |
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| [15:34:28] | iamlindoro_: | but I strongly strongly recommend against installing over a packaged version |
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| [15:35:29] | sentinel23: | i've backed up my db, but i get paranoid about doing an agressive apt-get remove --purge --rape etc. |
| [15:35:51] | sentinel23: | yeah you're probably right |
| [15:36:13] | iamlindoro_: | sentinel23, installing a compiled version over a packaged version has the potential to cause FAR more problems than removing the pacakged version and installing clean if you've done a DB backup |
| [15:37:13] | sentinel23: | fair enough |
| [15:37:37] | waini: | are there 0.21 packages for ubuntu? |
| [15:37:42] | waini: | (gusty) |
| [15:37:50] | sentinel23: | don't think so yet |
| [15:38:00] | iamlindoro_: | waini, You can add the mythbuntu repos and get them from there |
| [15:38:15] | waini: | ok |
| [15:38:20] | iamlindoro_: | They'll be more or less the same exact packages that end up in gutsy-backports |
| [15:38:34] | sentinel23: | hrm, maybe I should have done that |
| [15:38:37] | sentinel23: | oh well |
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| [15:39:02] | waini: | are they working fine? |
| [15:39:12] | iamlindoro_: | presumably, it's still just .21 |
| [15:39:15] | waini: | (because they are not in ubuntu-tree) |
| [15:39:24] | hnitsuj: | gawd is 0.22 not out yet? |
| [15:40:11] | sentinel23: | rofl |
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| [15:42:37] | iamlindoro_: | waini, them ending up in the "normal" gutsy tree is not a reflection of them being more completely tested, it's just that some lazy-ass finally got around to adding them... they use the mythbuntu packages anyway |
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| [15:44:03] | sentinel23: | heh |
| [15:44:37] | waini: | where can i find the repo-Data for mythbuntu – i can not find it on the website |
| [15:45:12] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
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| [16:04:04] | directhex|work: | 0.21 IS IN GUTSY DAMNIT! |
| [16:04:10] | directhex|work: | waini, that means you! |
| [16:04:17] | Dagmar: | Teehee! |
| [16:04:19] | hnitsuj: | I thought it was gutsy gibbon |
| [16:04:25] | Dagmar: | Gusty |
| [16:04:34] | iamlindoro_: | directhex|work, Jokes on you, he asked about "gusty." ;) |
| [16:04:59] | directhex|work: | 0.21.0–0ubuntu2~gutsy1 |
| [16:04:59] | directhex|work: | PUBLISHED: Gutsy pocket Backports in component multiverse and section graphics |
| [16:04:59] | directhex|work: | * Published 17 hours ago |
| [16:05:10] | hnitsuj: | what version is in Phallic Phallus ? |
| [16:05:18] | directhex|work: | 1.2 |
| [16:05:53] | iamlindoro_: | Oooooooh! svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/branches/mythtv-1.2 |
| [16:06:15] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah yeah, I know it'd be in tags, whatever |
| [16:07:07] | directhex|work: | iamlindoro, don't forget the need to compile with msvc and run it with wine ;) |
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| [16:07:16] | ** iamlindoro_ dies a little inside ** | |
| [16:07:35] | iamlindoro_: | You mean they make MythTV for LINUX now? |
| [16:10:56] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [16:10:58] | rinaldi_: | hi im running ubuntu gutsy and want 0.21, but the repos only have 0.20.2, how can I upgrade or will they be here soon? |
| [16:11:00] | Dagmar: | You can even get the pornos on it |
| [16:11:11] | iamlindoro_: | rinaldi_, apparently, apt-get update |
| [16:11:17] | hnitsuj: | is there a Paris Hilton plugin for mythtv? |
| [16:11:18] | iamlindoro_: | then you should see the .21 version |
| [16:11:30] | directhex|work: | oh for crying out loud |
| [16:11:32] | iamlindoro_: | wait wait |
| [16:11:38] | directhex|work: | 0.21 IS IN BACKPORTS |
| [16:11:41] | iamlindoro_: | didn't you enter the room just as, and I'm quoting now: |
| [16:11:47] | iamlindoro_: | <directhex|work> 0.21 IS IN GUTSY DAMNIT! |
| [16:11:54] | hnitsuj: | or do I just install the binary ATI drivers & play back a regular porno? |
| [16:12:21] | iamlindoro_: | MOAR REEDING |
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| [16:12:46] | directhex|work: | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/0 . . . build/536653 |
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| [16:12:52] | hnitsuj: | is somebody somewhere saying that somebody at ubuntu screwed up? cos if so I won't hear of it! |
| [16:13:00] | directhex|work: | notice the "resulting binaries" on the left |
| [16:13:17] | rinaldi_: | iamlindoro_: well i did that and in synaptic it's only giving me 0.20.2 as the latest version |
| [16:13:58] | hnitsuj: | iamlindoro_: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv |
| [16:14:04] | iamlindoro_: | rinaldi_, to you have backports enabled in your sources.list? |
| [16:14:06] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, i think it's an orgy of people who are using a mirror, but a) don't have backports enabled, or b) their mirror hasn't updated yet |
| [16:14:26] | directhex|work: | because 0.21 packages for gutsy look pretty alive to me, judging by http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mythtv/ |
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| [16:14:53] | iamlindoro_: | hnitsuj, Hey, preaching to the choir :) |
| [16:14:57] | hnitsuj: | bah. packages :D |
| [16:15:05] | hnitsuj: | apt-get build-dep |
| [16:15:12] | directhex|work: | i spy with my little eye something beginning with http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multive . . . y1_amd64.deb |
| [16:15:12] | hnitsuj: | only packages ya need |
| [16:15:22] | rinaldi_: | iamlindoro_: damn, forgot about that, fresh install :-D |
| [16:15:24] | iamlindoro_: | hnitsuj, And to be fair the deficiency is almost exclusively with the user |
| [16:15:40] | hnitsuj: | iamlindoro_: you forget something. I don't really care ;) |
| [16:15:45] | sentinel23: | make install feels so anticlimactic. is there anything other than the setup that I should do to finish the install? |
| [16:15:50] | iamlindoro_: | hnitsuj, How could I forget? |
| [16:16:06] | iamlindoro_: | sentinel23, make install && sleep 45 |
| [16:16:09] | iamlindoro_: | make you feel better? |
| [16:16:38] | sentinel23: | yes. |
| [16:16:40] | sentinel23: | haha |
| [16:16:46] | iamlindoro_: | "It's doing something on account of I have to wait!" |
| [16:16:56] | sentinel23: | then it feels like it's really working at _something_ |
| [16:16:59] | sentinel23: | lol |
| [16:17:06] | directhex|work: | iamlindoro_, don't forget "i know more about linux because i watch make output scroll past" |
| [16:17:13] | hnitsuj: | for the general all-round great feeling of accomplishment only gentoo users can know, why not build the whole OS from source? |
| [16:17:29] | iamlindoro_: | ls: command not found |
| [16:17:29] | sentinel23: | heh |
| [16:17:30] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, nothing says love like a static libc |
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| [16:17:32] | iamlindoro_: | make ls |
| [16:17:38] | iamlindoro_: | make: command not found |
| [16:17:42] | iamlindoro_: | har har har |
| [16:17:45] | hnitsuj: | iamlindoro_: make make |
| [16:18:04] | hnitsuj: | faster than you can spell cyclic dependencies... |
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| [16:23:20] | Dagmar: | Nah, it comes with a bootstrap |
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| [16:26:35] | rinaldi_: | iamlindoro_:strange, still not there |
| [16:26:57] | directhex|work: | rinaldi_, your mirror is out of date. wait 24 hours or less |
| [16:27:28] | iamlindoro_: | or specify archive.ubuntu.com as your mirror |
| [16:27:42] | iamlindoro_: | or shop around until you find one that works |
| [16:27:50] | iamlindoro_: | or compile from source |
| [16:27:52] | iamlindoro_: | or read a book |
| [16:27:59] | iamlindoro_: | or talk to the opposite sex |
| [16:28:08] | Frosty-: | lol directhex, I thought that was another joke, "your mirror is out of date". I was scrutinising it for the punchline |
| [16:28:11] | directhex|work: | or find a way to make PVM suck less |
| [16:28:39] | hnitsuj: | mirror mirror, on the wall, when are you going to get the ferking 0.21 packages?! |
| [16:28:41] | ** iamlindoro_ tries to remember what 80s/90s game ended the credits with the endless string of things you ought to be doing now like above ** | |
| [16:28:52] | iamlindoro_: | It was either Monkey Island 2 or Star Control 2 |
| [16:28:59] | iamlindoro_: | I think Monkey Island 2 |
| [16:29:07] | iamlindoro_: | Because SC2 ended with all the outtakes with the aliens |
| [16:29:19] | directhex|work: | sam & max, iirc |
| [16:29:31] | hnitsuj: | I've only ever finished 5 games in my life |
| [16:29:31] | iamlindoro_: | hmm, maybe, Lucasarts definitely sounds right |
| [16:29:39] | directhex|work: | it WAS lucasarts |
| [16:30:00] | iamlindoro_: | IIRC "Talk to the opposite sex" was definitely in there |
| [16:30:23] | hnitsuj: | iamlindoro_: "is this call costing me like 2 dollars a minute?" |
| [16:30:49] | ** iamlindoro_ tried his best never to call the Sierra hint line... but was like 11 years old and mildly retarded ** | |
| [16:31:32] | hnitsuj: | something stuck in my mind about a 1980s 8-bit adventure game. at one point you're in a library & the librarian is asking what kind of book you want. Typical 12/13 year olds, we typed in |
| [16:32:00] | hnitsuj: | 'sex' – to which the librarian replied "oh no, we used to stock those kind of books but they were always returned with their pages stuck together"... |
| [16:33:08] | iamlindoro_: | There were definitely a few games where if you tried to do anything explicit they would quit with an explanation that this was NOT that type of game |
| [16:33:27] | directhex|work: | put hamster in microwave |
| [16:33:53] | Frosty-: | Leisure Suit Larry ... oh the memories |
| [16:35:22] | iamlindoro_: | Star Control 2 is one of those games I can play over and over and over again and never get tired of-- they don't make them like that any more. (except for the open sourced revamp ;) |
| [16:35:37] | iamlindoro_: | well, sort-of revamp |
| [16:36:27] | iamlindoro_: | Oh, and my poor, sweet Grim Fandango |
| [16:37:07] | ** directhex|work hands iamlindoro a balloon worm ** | |
| [16:37:14] | iamlindoro_: | hehe |
| [16:37:35] | ** iamlindoro_ lures ghost pigeons ** | |
| [16:38:27] | Frosty-: | if a recorded show is flagged to have 3 commercial breaks |
| [16:38:34] | Frosty-: | what is meant to happen when I play it |
| [16:38:47] | Frosty-: | as so far I haven't noticd anything and just FF manually |
| [16:38:51] | iamlindoro_: | Presuimg you have commercial auto-skip set to on, anything marked should be skipped |
| [16:39:04] | Frosty-: | is that on by default? |
| [16:39:10] | hnitsuj: | nope |
| [16:39:11] | iamlindoro_: | Usually |
| [16:39:28] | iamlindoro_: | oh, well shut my mouth-- been so long since I set up a fresh system |
| [16:39:55] | orthoevra: | commercial skipping is just pure magic |
| [16:40:05] | Frosty-: | okay, I'll take a look ina bit, can't interrupt the misses watching TV, although I really want to :s |
| [16:40:07] | orthoevra: | it frightens the natives |
| [16:40:17] | Dagmar: | e-z-e enter |
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| [16:42:41] | Frosty-: | should gather anonymous statistics for scheduled shows |
| [16:42:59] | Frosty-: | would be nice to see what people are recording, give me an idea of new things to watch |
| [16:43:44] | Dagmar: | and get sued |
| [16:44:11] | orthoevra: | yeah.. jsut what we need is more network traffic :P |
| [16:44:33] | iamlindoro_: | Not to mention the inevitable bitching |
| [16:44:46] | Frosty-: | disabled by default, option in mythtv-setup |
| [16:44:47] | orthoevra: | "its spyware!!!!" run for the hills |
| [16:45:51] | iamlindoro_: | Frosty-, You must be new here-- the option to enable/disable something has NEVER stopped anyone bitching about its existence |
| [16:46:05] | iamlindoro_: | Hell, there'd be a fucking wiki page about it by the time the hour was over |
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| [16:46:41] | Dagmar: | ...and someone suing because there's some bizarre patent they've gotten that allows them to licence the process of anonymizing viewing data |
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| [16:55:59] | Frosty-: | a scheduled recording didn't record anything, damn :( left the file monitor running, no file was created, yet myth logs shows normal behaviour, starting and stopping recording, just did nothing to the disk :( |
| [16:56:45] | iamlindoro_: | directhex|work, One of the guys I run with in the morning was at Bioware/Pandemic before they got swallowed up and is a project manager now at EA... trying to figure out how to turn that to my advantage ;) |
| [16:57:27] | Frosty-: | wear tight shorts and run in front |
| [16:58:02] | orthoevra: | ha! mythtv does not play live tv so well on a 1.2ghz laptop with 256MB of ram |
| [16:58:40] | orthoevra: | Frosty: ahahahha |
| [16:59:24] | GreyFoxx: | orthoevra: What kind of tuner? |
| [16:59:43] | GreyFoxx: | I use to use a P3 650 with 256meg for livetv, but I had a PVR card |
| [17:00:05] | orthoevra: | GreyFoxx: well thats another thing thats no good on this old lappy its a usb tuner and the lappy im sure is only usb 1.0 |
| [17:00:40] | iamlindoro_: | The USB is probably not your bottleneck-- what tuner is it? |
| [17:00:49] | orthoevra: | GreyFoxx: my normal myth setup works great, i was just mucking around with an old vaio |
| [17:00:54] | orthoevra: | its an HVR-950 |
| [17:01:18] | orthoevra: | flawless on a faster computer |
| [17:01:25] | iamlindoro_: | Are you trying to play HD? |
| [17:01:44] | orthoevra: | iamlindoro: yeah its a hybrid tuner and set for HD |
| [17:02:04] | iamlindoro_: | well... *yeah*. |
| [17:02:10] | iamlindoro_: | you're right. No so good for HD. :) |
| [17:02:31] | orthoevra: | its funny.. myth starts to show the OSD and it tries sooo hard to play the tv.. then the osd gets blurry and it says some sort of " no way dude" error |
| [17:02:36] | iamlindoro_: | Although Sd should play lurvely...ly. |
| [17:02:58] | orthoevra: | not sure how to make myth see this stick as SD |
| [17:03:10] | iamlindoro_: | It's not the tuenr, it's the signal |
| [17:03:16] | orthoevra: | SD going away in less than a year anyway |
| [17:03:20] | iamlindoro_: | No it's not |
| [17:03:28] | orthoevra: | it is here in the states |
| [17:03:36] | iamlindoro_: | *analog broadcast* is going away, that' has nothing to do with SD/HD |
| [17:03:46] | orthoevra: | true true.. sorry |
| [17:03:53] | iamlindoro_: | and you'd better believe big chunks of cable co's will remain analog |
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| [17:04:00] | iamlindoro_: | since it's only OTA that has to go digital |
| [17:04:11] | orthoevra: | all i have is OTA :( |
| [17:04:28] | orthoevra: | and what leaks thru on my comcast internet connection |
| [17:05:00] | orthoevra: | one great thing about .21 is that now EIT actually grabs data for me i notice |
| [17:05:14] | orthoevra: | .20 no such luck.. but i use schedules direct anyway |
| [17:06:45] | iamlindoro_: | Heeheeeeee ""We will go out and destroy Indiana Jones at the box office!" thundered a confident Uwe "Raging" Boll" |
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| [17:20:07] | Frosty-: | Whats the limit on the number of recordings on the same tuner on the same multiplex? |
| [17:20:25] | AndyCap: | all of them? |
| [17:20:37] | iamlindoro_: | Some cards have limits, you need to experiment |
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| [17:22:14] | iamlindoro_: | As I recall from when it was still the multirec branch, certain cards have issues demuxing more than "x" streams at a time |
| [17:23:43] | GreyFoxx: | Frosty-: The menu option lets you define up to 5 |
| [17:23:56] | GreyFoxx: | I've editted the code to let me define up to 10 on mine and it works for me |
| [17:24:02] | GreyFoxx: | I record 8 at a time regularly |
| [17:24:08] | Frosty-: | whoa |
| [17:24:10] | Frosty-: | what card? |
| [17:24:23] | GreyFoxx: | Avermedia A180 |
| [17:24:30] | GreyFoxx: | QAM/digital cable |
| [17:24:38] | quicksilver: | I'm more inclined to ask, what TV stations? I've never known 8 intresting things be on at once :P |
| [17:24:49] | Frosty-: | lol qs, good question |
| [17:24:50] | quicksilver: | heck, I'm surprised when there is 1 thing at once I want to watch... |
| [17:24:51] | GreyFoxx: | quicksilver: My 8 top channels are all on 1 multiplex |
| [17:25:14] | GreyFoxx: | CTV, NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, Global, CBC and ASN |
| [17:25:36] | GreyFoxx: | my cableco has the most watched channels on 1 multiplex cause then their own STB's appear to change channels instantly :) |
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| [17:25:46] | GreyFoxx: | since it just changes pid filters rather than really changing channels :) |
| [17:25:54] | Frosty-: | I have a nova-t 500, DVB-T, but misses is watching TV :s |
| [17:26:18] | sid3wind1: | GreyFoxx: turns out thats pretty handy for mythtv then, good cableco ;) |
| [17:26:23] | GreyFoxx: | my cableco averages 8 channels per multiplex but up to 25 or so for music channels |
| [17:26:35] | GreyFoxx: | sid3wind1: yeah |
| [17:26:44] | GreyFoxx: | I was quite handy to discover that :) |
| [17:26:48] | GreyFoxx: | happy |
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| [17:27:09] | GreyFoxx: | I use to work there so one day I mentioned it to one of the cbale engineers and he said it was on purpose :) |
| [17:27:28] | GreyFoxx: | He's also a myth user but wont publically admit he uses anything but the cableco's dvr :) |
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| [17:32:51] | psofa: | anyone using the opengl renderer? is it better than xv frame timing wise? |
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| [17:39:01] | iamlindoro_: | psofa, I'm using it. It's still very experimental. It looks great but I wouldn't say I see any difference in timings (nor do I see issues with Xv) |
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| [17:40:27] | psofa: | well mythtv with xv looks really bad for me,mplayer with xv doent look good,mplayer with opengl is great.Im not sure if its the deinterlacing though |
| [17:41:02] | psofa: | but mplayer proves opengl frame syncing is better |
| [17:41:08] | iamlindoro_: | Well "bad" is awfully subjective, it's hard for me to comment based on that |
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| [17:41:42] | iamlindoro_: | Why not just try it yourself? |
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| [17:42:15] | Frosty-: | when I have it on "notify of adverts" it shows the timescale at top right with "Advert" for about 1/2 second, is that it? |
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| [17:52:26] | sebrock_: | Im currently using 0.20.2 backend but have compiled and made an debian package of the 0.21 source... when I install this will it upgrade the 0.20.2 or create a new backend? |
| [17:53:56] | iamlindoro_: | In a perfect world you would 1) Back up your DB, 2) Remove your old packages, 3) Install your new package, 4) restore the DB, 5) start the backend and allow the DB schema to be upgraded |
| [17:54:57] | |Torg|: | iamlindoro I belive the upgrade wil now back up the databse first, or so does the svn trunk |
| [17:55:03] | sebrock_: | alright I have done a backup |
| [17:55:54] | iamlindoro_: | |Torg|, The initial backup is to keep him from killing it when he removes the old packages. It certainly doesn't hurt. |
| [17:56:07] | sebrock_: | iamlindoro_: will the new backend automaticly upgrade the schema? |
| [17:56:13] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [17:56:54] | |Torg|: | iamlindoro posibly if some brain dead pacakger used a drop database in the removal |
| [17:56:57] | eiersalat: | iamlindoro_ : maybe arhclinux is the perfect word then :) |
| [17:57:04] | eiersalat: | *archlinux |
| [17:58:21] | eiersalat: | can i just edit in mythtv the appropiate value to use the feature to record more than 1 programs on same multiplex |
| [17:58:45] | eiersalat: | cause wiki says i should delete the capture cards first |
| [17:58:52] | eiersalat: | which sound unneccassry for me |
| [17:58:59] | sebrock_: | crap... can anyone tell me what wrong? http://www.pastebin.ca/938482 |
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| [18:00:29] | iamlindoro_: | eiersalat, do as the wiki suggests.As long as you don't erase your channel lineups you won't lose any schedules/etc |
| [18:00:49] | sid3windr: | |Torg|: if you purge the packages it -should- remove the database, why would you keep it? :) |
| [18:01:02] | eiersalat: | i will try editing first XD |
| [18:01:08] | cva: | anyone using the hr.hdtv scipt as a job in mythtv? It works fine from the command line, but as a job it is only running the first pass. |
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| [18:01:15] | iamlindoro_: | eiersalat, Then I will not help when you break it :) |
| [18:01:34] | eiersalat: | my db is backupped |
| [18:01:36] | eiersalat: | :) |
| [18:02:05] | iamlindoro_: | eiersalat, What about editing the database seems easier to you than the < 2 minute it would take to readd the cards? |
| [18:02:27] | eiersalat: | nah i just dont like running mythtv-setup |
| [18:02:34] | eiersalat: | the box has no tv and no X |
| [18:02:50] | iamlindoro_: | so ssh -X my.mythbox.ip from a box that has X |
| [18:03:18] | eiersalat: | i know, but i am a bit conservatie with that |
| [18:03:25] | eiersalat: | i dont like the entire mythtv.setup program |
| [18:03:32] | eiersalat: | never used it :P |
| [18:03:58] | ** iamlindoro_ rolls his eyes and goes to find something interesting to do ** | |
| [18:04:13] | |Torg|: | sid3windr: for multipel reasons, not the least of whick myth is an Application, not a program. mythfrontend, mythbackend etc are the programs and are what packages are. You install mysql not "Order Processing". Packages are for programs, not Applications |
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| [18:08:09] | sid3windr: | |Torg|: you completely lost me, as for nobody or nothing there is a difference between the two; but nevermind that |
| [18:09:20] | |Torg|: | sid3windr: then you do not understand what an architecture is |
| [18:09:39] | sid3windr: | you forgot to uppercase the A ;) |
| [18:09:41] | Deek: | nah, yer just talkin' nonsense. |
| [18:10:46] | |Torg|: | by yur same argument removal of the mythtv package shoud delete al recorded programs, and format the myth partitions as well |
| [18:11:16] | Deek: | Ain't no damn difference between a daemon and an app. |
| [18:11:51] | |Torg|: | Deek there is a major differnce |
| [18:12:00] | Deek: | myth partitions? Uhh, no. No such thing. |
| [18:12:32] | Deek: | That's far beyond program territory. |
| [18:12:42] | Frosty-: | in debian isn't that just the difference of adding --purge? |
| [18:12:51] | Deek: | Frosty-: yes, yes it is. |
| [18:13:08] | Frosty-: | just like when you remove a game in windows, "Do you want to remove the savegames?" |
| [18:13:46] | Frosty-: | not that I am adding anything to either argument, just an observation :s |
| [18:14:07] | Deek: | If I purged the mythtv-database package, I would expect to be asked if I wanted to drop the database. |
| [18:14:36] | Frosty-: | but isn't that just up to the package maintainers and nothing to do with myth developers? |
| [18:14:43] | Deek: | yep |
| [18:15:51] | sid3windr: | I don't have a mythtv-database package |
| [18:16:05] | sid3windr: | I have a mythtv-backend and a mythtv-frontend package, and a mythtv metapackage depending on both |
| [18:16:08] | Deek: | Neither do I, at least on the backend. |
| [18:16:17] | sid3windr: | so no, it doesn't work like that |
| [18:16:26] | Deek: | On the database machine I have mythtv-database. |
| [18:16:28] | sid3windr: | I don't want the package list to have 3 billion packages in them either |
| [18:16:55] | sid3windr: | aaaaanyway, bbl |
| [18:16:56] | Frosty-: | why not |
| [18:17:12] | Deek: | sid3windr: How else would you split up the db from the backends? |
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| [18:17:19] | sid3windr: | what db? |
| [18:17:25] | sid3windr: | mysql is an app on its own |
| [18:17:41] | Frosty-: | I dont see how splitting something into a million packages has any effect other than the "perception" of untidyness. It would make no difference to functionality. |
| [18:17:44] | sid3windr: | you just point your backends to the correct host/user/pass/db |
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| [18:20:11] | Deek: | sid3windr: mythtv-database depends on mysql, sets up the database in mysql, and has a weekly cron job to handle check and backup the tables. |
| [18:22:23] | robbins876: | I worked on this issue a little bit the other night, but gave up...If i load mythfrontend as root i can use my remote |
| [18:22:36] | robbins876: | if i try to load it from the icon in my Kmenu (not root), it doesn't work |
| [18:22:46] | robbins876: | obviously this is a lircrc issue... |
| [18:23:03] | robbins876: | i cannot for the life of me figure out where i need to put the lircrc to get it to work when i'm not root |
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| [18:23:29] | robbins876: | /home/robbins876/.mythtv/lircrc? |
| [18:23:37] | Deek: | in mythtv's home dir. :) |
| [18:23:48] | iamlindoro_: | robbins61, yep |
| [18:23:55] | iamlindoro_: | er sorry, robbins876 |
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| [18:24:15] | robbins876: | iamlindoro, alright, i did that, but it still doesn't work for me |
| [18:24:31] | iamlindoro_: | and if you're mapping anything *not* in mythtv, ie mplayer, vlc, etc., then /home/robbins876/.lircrc |
| [18:24:49] | iamlindoro_: | robbins876, I would look closely at the permissions of that file |
| [18:25:12] | robbins876: | so 777 it? |
| [18:25:33] | iamlindoro_: | and maybe even cp /root/.mythtv/lircrc /home/robbins876/.mythtv/lircrc && chown robbins876.robbins876 /home/robbins876/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [18:25:57] | iamlindoro_: | robbins61, Simple ownership by the user in question should be enough |
| [18:26:31] | robbins876: | still getting nothing |
| [18:26:39] | robbins876: | i just loaded it from root again, and it's certainly working |
| [18:26:56] | robbins876: | but just not from non-root |
| [18:26:59] | robbins876: | it's so strange |
| [18:27:07] | iamlindoro_: | robbins61, You should be looking at the frontend log. Try to run mythfrontend from a terminal as your user |
| [18:27:14] | iamlindoro_: | there is a lirc init line there |
| [18:29:04] | robbins876: | http://www.nopaste.org/p/aKRXzAGX8 |
| [18:29:19] | robbins876: | it shows it didn't load, but says to check preceeding messages, which don't tell me anything |
| [18:29:30] | iamlindoro_: | robbins876, you don't have permission to the lircd device |
| [18:29:39] | iamlindoro_: | so it's not a lircrc issue at all |
| [18:29:42] | robbins876: | well, that's stupid |
| [18:29:49] | robbins876: | how do i get the permission? |
| [18:29:54] | iamlindoro_: | ask nicely |
| [18:30:00] | robbins876: | please...with a cherry on top |
| [18:30:04] | robbins876: | or eggs? |
| [18:30:04] | iamlindoro_: | Not me you fool |
| [18:30:10] | Deek: | hahaha |
| [18:30:26] | ** Deek falls down ** | |
| [18:30:27] | robbins876: | oh, i'm an idiot |
| [18:30:30] | iamlindoro_: | IIRC there is a lircd command flag that gives permission to all |
| [18:30:46] | iamlindoro_: | probably set in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf |
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| [18:31:16] | robbins876: | i don't have that file |
| [18:31:36] | iamlindoro_: | --permission=666 ought to do I think |
| [18:31:51] | iamlindoro_: | robbins61, Then find the arguments line in your init script and add it there |
| [18:32:12] | robbins876: | alrigth |
| [18:32:15] | iamlindoro_: | probably starts with ARGS= |
| [18:33:08] | robbins876: | alirght |
| [18:33:12] | robbins876: | after i change that file |
| [18:33:15] | robbins876: | how do i reload it? |
| [18:33:18] | iamlindoro_: | and just to be sure we don't do anything silly, that's the LIRC init script I'm talking about ;) |
| [18:33:23] | iamlindoro_: | depends the distro |
| [18:33:27] | robbins876: | fedora |
| [18:33:33] | iamlindoro_: | feck if I know then |
| [18:33:46] | iamlindoro_: | sudo please restart lirc mr hat man |
| [18:33:59] | iamlindoro_: | service lirc restart is a guess |
| [18:34:00] | robbins876: | [root@localhost robbins876]# /etc/rc.d/init.d/lircd start |
| [18:34:00] | robbins876: | Starting infrared remote control daemon: /usr/local/sbin/lircd: option requires an argument — p |
| [18:34:00] | robbins876: | Usage: lircd [options] [config-file] |
| [18:34:00] | robbins876: | irexec: could not connect to socket |
| [18:34:00] | robbins876: | irexec: Connection refused |
| [18:34:06] | robbins876: | new problems now |
| [18:34:07] | robbins876: | what the h |
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| [18:34:15] | iamlindoro_: | you botched adding the argument |
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| [18:34:42] | robbins876: | oh, i forgot the 666 |
| [18:37:33] | iamlindoro_: | ...? |
| [18:37:41] | robbins876: | even after i changed the permissions i get nothing |
| [18:37:55] | Deek: | you probably didn't include the default args. |
| [18:37:55] | iamlindoro_: | ls -al /dev/lirc* and pastebin |
| [18:38:18] | iamlindoro_: | I think he just added the permissions line to the existing arguments (at least I hope he did) |
| [18:38:28] | robbins876: | http://www.nopaste.org/p/a8gacUTz5 |
| [18:38:51] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, oooook, lots of lirc... |
| [18:38:56] | robbins876: | and perhaps i didn't restart it or quit it properly |
| [18:39:18] | iamlindoro_: | Well, i suppose you could try 777 but really, 666 should be enough |
| [18:39:45] | robbins876: | i tried 777 |
| [18:39:47] | robbins876: | but still nothing |
| [18:40:03] | iamlindoro_: | It's not taking, obviously, because those permissions are wrong |
| [18:40:07] | robbins876: | http://www.nopaste.org/p/aTtCVcb7j |
| [18:40:44] | iamlindoro_: | robbins61, just as a test, chmod 66 /dev/lircd |
| [18:40:47] | iamlindoro_: | er 666 |
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| [18:40:54] | iamlindoro_: | as root |
| [18:41:00] | iamlindoro_: | then try to run frontend as your user |
| [18:41:00] | robbins876: | k |
| [18:41:35] | robbins876: | what do you know |
| [18:41:36] | robbins876: | it works |
| [18:41:42] | iamlindoro_: | I would expect that |
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| [18:42:05] | robbins876: | is it not alright to leave it this way? |
| [18:42:06] | iamlindoro_: | But I am doubtful that it would survive a reboot |
| [18:42:17] | robbins876: | oh, i see |
| [18:42:28] | sebrock_: | anyone knows whats wrong here? I'm I missing something or is the source code faulty? http://www.pastebin.ca/938482 |
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| [18:42:49] | iamlindoro_: | sebrock_, There's nothing wrong with the .21 code, it compiles fine |
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| [18:43:04] | iamlindoro_: | Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say "nothing wrong," but it *does* compile fine :) |
| [18:43:52] | sebrock_: | iamlindoro_: can you check why it doesnt compile here? As pasted on the link |
| [18:44:26] | sebrock_: | "/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../lib64/libx264.a: could not read symbols: Bad value" |
| [18:44:39] | iamlindoro_: | If I had to guess I'd say it's trying to use a copy of libx264 from your includes directory and it's incompatible |
| [18:44:55] | sebrock_: | Im doing this with pbuilder |
| [18:45:03] | sebrock_: | and have setup a chroot env. |
| [18:45:15] | sebrock_: | I dont know how to proceed from here |
| [18:45:35] | iamlindoro_: | I'd try moving that file out of the way, personally. (/usr/lib/lib64/libx264.a) |
| [18:46:01] | sebrock_: | doesnt it need it then? |
| [18:46:02] | iamlindoro_: | erm, actually it may be in /usr/lib64 |
| [18:46:17] | directhex: | looks like an arch mismatch to me |
| [18:46:46] | sebrock_: | directhex: do you also suggest moving this file? |
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| [18:47:01] | sebrock_: | Im trying to create a deb on a Feisty system |
| [18:47:04] | directhex: | we |
| [18:47:06] | directhex: | bah |
| [18:47:23] | iamlindoro_: | sebrock_, why all the fanciness, are you trying to cross-compile? |
| [18:47:26] | directhex: | well, i've never had issues like that building on dapper, so something seems more than a little dodgy |
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| [18:47:33] | directhex: | not least because ubuntu doesn't use /lib64 |
| [18:47:56] | iamlindoro_: | What'd checkinstall ever do to hurt you? |
| [18:48:25] | directhex: | i don't see the issues. building myth on an older distro is pretty easy, once you get the deps down |
| [18:48:31] | directhex: | i used to build packages for dapper |
| [18:48:43] | sebrock_: | yeah well it aint working here |
| [18:48:46] | sebrock_: | :D |
| [18:49:03] | iamlindoro_: | robbins876, actually it appears that chmod may do the trick for a reboot, I think you will be fine |
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| [18:50:21] | directhex: | sebrock_, i strongly suspect you've been doing Odd Things(tm) though |
| [18:50:40] | sebrock_: | directhex: well its all done in chroot |
| [18:50:52] | sebrock_: | so basically its in a safe environment |
| [18:50:54] | iamlindoro_: | sebrock_, *why*? Are you or are you not cross-compiling? |
| [18:51:06] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, so he can run feisty on his backend iitc |
| [18:51:14] | sebrock_: | ye |
| [18:51:22] | iamlindoro_: | bah |
| [18:51:29] | iamlindoro_: | apt-get dist-upgrade! |
| [18:51:45] | sebrock_: | dist-upgrade never works as expected anyway |
| [18:51:57] | iamlindoro_: | Improvise, Adapt, Overcome |
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| [18:52:07] | sebrock_: | better to wipe clean and redo everything |
| [18:52:33] | sebrock_: | checkinstall... thats dirty... |
| [18:52:34] | directhex: | my office desktop has been upgraded twice since 6.06 |
| [18:52:42] | sebrock_: | and no problems? |
| [18:52:46] | directhex: | three times, even |
| [18:52:52] | iamlindoro_: | sebrock_, no, what *you* are doing is dirty/non-operational :) |
| [18:52:57] | directhex: | one bug due to dodgy things in rc.d |
| [18:53:19] | iamlindoro_: | My debs Justwork (tm) |
| [18:53:21] | iamlindoro_: | ; |
| [18:53:22] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [18:53:26] | sebrock_: | grrr |
| [18:53:35] | sebrock_: | maybe I'll try a dist-upgrade |
| [18:53:42] | sebrock_: | I made a backup anyway |
| [18:54:08] | iamlindoro_: | Or ttoss caution to the wind and compile the same revision on each machine |
| [18:54:13] | iamlindoro_: | You can pretend you run Gentoo ;) |
| [18:55:02] | directhex: | gentooriffic! |
| [18:55:14] | sebrock_: | here goes nothing... |
| [18:55:19] | directhex: | sebrock_, want to test something first? |
| [18:55:24] | sebrock_: | sure |
| [18:55:37] | ** iamlindoro_ imagines sebrock_'s figner poised over the Enter key ** | |
| [18:55:39] | directhex: | sebrock_, what does "file /usr/lib64/libx264.a" say? |
| [18:55:41] | iamlindoro_: | finger |
| [18:55:50] | sebrock_: | haha I had! |
| [18:56:01] | sebrock_: | nice one iamlindoro_ |
| [18:56:48] | sebrock_: | directhex: there is no such file baby |
| [18:57:12] | directhex: | sebrock_, well, that would certainly be a reason for ld to moan |
| [18:57:16] | Deek: | heh, I got a machine that hasn't seen an installer since 1996. |
| [18:57:16] | sebrock_: | is this due to some dodgy 64-bit distro stuff |
| [18:57:47] | Deek: | upgraded since Debian bo. |
| [18:57:48] | sebrock_: | Im gonna try a dist-upgrade anyway... might be time to do it |
| [18:57:54] | directhex: | sebrock_, it shouldn't be, but like i said, ubuntu doesn't use lib64 |
| [18:58:08] | sebrock_: | directhex: is it not linked? |
| [18:58:20] | sebrock_: | mmm |
| [18:58:24] | directhex: | sebrock_, it is linked, but all apps should just use /lib |
| [18:58:28] | iamlindoro_: | Something rotten in the state of Denmark/Sweden |
| [18:58:28] | directhex: | unless they're badly hard-coded |
| [18:58:51] | sebrock_: | Denmark or Sweden.. |
| [18:58:59] | Deek: | lib32 sure, but lib64? |
| [18:59:08] | Deek: | wtf uses that? |
| [18:59:21] | iamlindoro_: | Especially weird that it *first* refers to /usr/lib then backs out of it to lib64 |
| [18:59:29] | directhex: | Deek, lib64 is a solarisism, from where you'd run a 32-bit userland, with limited (slower) 64-bit-only stuff |
| [18:59:49] | directhex: | so suse, for example, uses /usr/lib for 32-bit and /usr/lib64 for 64-bit |
| [19:00:07] | Deek: | that's...perverse. |
| [19:00:08] | directhex: | this fails to account for "pure64" systems, though, where 64-bit is the norm |
| [19:00:33] | directhex: | debian, for example, doesn't need to apply dodgy hax to every app to make them use lib64 on some architectures – it's always lib on any arch |
| [19:00:41] | kwizart: | Fedora OpenSuse and mandrake (probably mainy others) has libdir=/usr/lib64 on x86_64 pp64 and others arches (not ia64) |
| [19:00:59] | directhex: | however, to help dodgy hard-coding, they symlink lib64 to lib |
| [19:01:19] | sebrock_: | wtf should not dist-upgrade upgrade to something newer? |
| [19:01:20] | directhex: | kwizart, but why not ia64? |
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| [19:01:31] | directhex: | sebrock_, because your sources.list says feisty? |
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| [19:01:48] | directhex: | sebrock_, dist-upgrade means "upgrade, even if dependencies will add/remove packages" |
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| [19:02:03] | directhex: | sebrock_, it does NOT mean "change my sources.list to some unknown value" |
| [19:02:18] | sebrock_: | last time I did this it upgraded to later dist |
| [19:02:27] | directhex: | sebrock_, the gui tool update-manager has 1-click upgrades |
| [19:02:34] | Deek: | directhex: No, it didn't. |
| [19:02:34] | Frosty-: | Using a nova-t 500 dual receiver, if a show records using Encoder 1, it doesn't write anything to disk although logs show it "Started/Stopped Recording", bizarre, with no errors in logs (verbose most) ... what can I do? |
| [19:02:35] | kwizart: | directhex, ia64 cannot run 32bit binaries, so only 64bit binaires are available, then this remains mono-arches and mono-libs versus multiarches and multi-libs ditro... |
| [19:02:35] | iamlindoro_: | You probably did "sed -e 's/\dapper/ edgy/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list" first |
| [19:02:38] | directhex: | sebrock_, i can assure you apt has *never* changed sources.list unilaterally |
| [19:02:38] | iamlindoro_: | or equivalent |
| [19:02:41] | kwizart: | Fedora is multilibs only |
| [19:02:46] | directhex: | kwizart, yes it can |
| [19:02:51] | sebrock_: | this is a server version of ubuntu... |
| [19:03:02] | kwizart: | x86_64 can use 32bit... ia64 no |
| [19:03:07] | directhex: | kwizart, yes it can |
| [19:03:10] | Deek: | kwizart: ia64 can use 32bit. |
| [19:03:15] | Deek: | It just sucks at it. |
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| [19:03:31] | iamlindoro_: | sebrock_, See above, you probably sed'ed in the newer distro last time |
| [19:03:43] | directhex: | hands up if you have a multi-hundred-core itanium box lying around which can most assuredly run i386 code. anyone? o/ |
| [19:03:56] | iamlindoro_: | well not multi-*hundred* core ;) |
| [19:04:08] | iamlindoro_: | gotta go being all specific... |
| [19:05:08] | sebrock_: | I got it |
| [19:05:18] | sebrock_: | they have changed the upgrade system for servers |
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| [19:05:38] | directhex: | sebrock_, reference? |
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| [19:05:58] | sebrock_: | http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading |
| [19:05:59] | sebrock_: | bottom |
| [19:06:24] | Frosty-: | I get, "2008-03–11 19:00:00.658 Finished recording The Dog Whisperer "Princess Bcujo, Prada And Bearz": channel 1011", but nothing was written to disk for the entire hour. |
| [19:06:29] | directhex: | ooh, handy |
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| [19:06:37] | iamlindoro_: | That *is* handy |
| [19:06:56] | directhex: | i always wondered why there was no command-line version of update-manager |
| [19:06:59] | Deek: | Serious compression. |
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| [19:07:16] | sebrock_: | trying it out riught now, seems to work better than last time |
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| [19:07:35] | directhex: | jms@orac:~> grep -c IA-64 /proc/cpuinfo |
| [19:07:35] | directhex: | 152 |
| [19:07:54] | iamlindoro_: | all right, showoff |
| [19:08:00] | iamlindoro_: | Frosty-, What tuner type? |
| [19:08:10] | Frosty-: | nova-t 500 dvb-t |
| [19:08:13] | sebrock_: | Oh I luve my 100mbit fiber right now |
| [19:08:24] | Frosty-: | twice it happened today, twice it was the times it used encoder 1 |
| [19:08:38] | Frosty-: | I guess encoder 1 is broken for recording, but works fine in live tv |
| [19:08:52] | iamlindoro_: | Frosty-, recent upgrade to .21 from .20.2? |
| [19:09:06] | Frosty-: | fresh install of .21 |
| [19:09:10] | iamlindoro_: | ah, never mind then |
| [19:09:29] | Frosty-: | :( /cry |
| [19:09:39] | GreyFoxx: | new database too right ?:) |
| [19:09:48] | Frosty-: | logs show it beginning recording, picking a tuner, and then finishing |
| [19:10:00] | Frosty-: | new db, only kept recorded entries |
| [19:10:23] | sebrock_: | if this works out Im going to celebrate |
| [19:11:05] | iamlindoro_: | And invite us to .se for partying with your various bikini teams and progressive sexual standards, right? |
| [19:11:10] | iamlindoro_: | right? |
| [19:11:20] | sebrock_: | suuuuuure thing |
| [19:11:30] | iamlindoro_: | Yesssss <books ticket> |
| [19:12:04] | sebrock_: | you guys still got the illusion that sweden is the porn capital of the world? |
| [19:12:20] | iamlindoro_: | No, I have the concrete fact that the US is the puritan capital of the world |
| [19:12:23] | orthoevra: | its now? |
| [19:12:26] | orthoevra: | not* |
| [19:12:51] | sebrock_: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7Ez4cwz8u8 enjoy |
| [19:13:06] | sebrock_: | :D |
| [19:13:36] | orthoevra: | a friend from Stockholm was visiting and he said " why dont you have midnight pron on tv here?" i was like "whaaaa?" |
| [19:13:44] | arschjucken: | i think its germany :D |
| [19:13:53] | iamlindoro_: | All that's no surprise, we're the msot repressed and therefore the most starved for product |
| [19:13:57] | sebrock_: | hahahaha well thats true for some cable companys |
| [19:14:40] | orthoevra: | the US likes to think we have it all... after visiting other countries we clearly are further behind than we like to think |
| [19:14:41] | sebrock_: | but nothing competes with the internet porn these days... |
| [19:14:55] | sebrock_: | in what aspect? porn? |
| [19:14:56] | directhex: | the internet is for... |
| [19:15:05] | iamlindoro_: | Uhhhh I'm gonna have to give the edge to, whattayacallit, "the real thing" |
| [19:15:15] | orthoevra: | heheh it used to be porn to look at drawings of women showing their ankles |
| [19:15:30] | PatrickDK: | ansi porn :) |
| [19:15:39] | sebrock_: | these days they have to do 2 girls 1 cup stuff... thats nasty |
| [19:15:42] | directhex: | PatrickDK, is that ascii porn with 16 colors? |
| [19:15:54] | directhex: | and blinking! |
| [19:15:56] | PatrickDK: | no, drawings made out of letters and symbols :) |
| [19:15:59] | directhex: | yay for ansi32.dll! |
| [19:15:59] | PatrickDK: | forget color |
| [19:16:08] | directhex: | PatrickDK, you're mixing ascii and ansi |
| [19:16:16] | PatrickDK: | oh heh :) |
| [19:16:18] | PatrickDK: | been awhile |
| [19:16:23] | orthoevra: | anyone ever see that animated starwars all in asccii? |
| [19:16:49] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, I think I recall seeing that |
| [19:16:49] | PatrickDK: | orthoevra, I have it somewhere |
| [19:16:49] | directhex: | orthoevra, anyone can do it. mplayer -vo aa somefile |
| [19:16:54] | sebrock_: | hehe |
| [19:16:59] | orthoevra: | its not like that |
| [19:17:07] | orthoevra: | its homemade not rendered |
| [19:17:17] | sebrock_: | nearly finish now... holding my holywater and cross |
| [19:17:18] | Deek: | The porn capital of the world used to be Amsterdam, now it's somewhere in eastern Europe ('cause it's freakin' cheap) |
| [19:17:21] | orthoevra: | ah her eit is.. telnet to telnet:towel.blinkenlights.nl |
| [19:17:35] | directhex: | Deek, pfft, nobody beats japan |
| [19:17:38] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.asciimation.co.nz/ for the web |
| [19:17:38] | orthoevra: | and prepair to wonder about how much time somone had |
| [19:17:52] | Deek: | directhex: they're too fucked-up. :) |
| [19:18:11] | directhex: | but many of them are rather cute |
| [19:18:16] | Deek: | Japan is just broken. |
| [19:18:18] | Deek: | :) |
| [19:18:27] | iamlindoro_: | I can't stand the "almost crying" violation-fixation nonsense |
| [19:18:35] | iamlindoro_: | Deek, BADLY broken |
| [19:18:53] | orthoevra: | Japan has alot of porn but by law its all censored.. its supposed to be anyway |
| [19:19:40] | sebrock_: | japan uses the loophole of mangaporn istead |
| [19:20:06] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/03/11/j . . . p/index.html |
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| [19:22:13] | Deek: | iamlindoro_: That's because the USA is not the world capital of repression...Japan is. |
| [19:22:41] | iamlindoro_: | Deek, That's not to say we can't improve. |
| [19:23:35] | iamlindoro_: | Should be a good night, I get to hear about how Obama is president of Mississippi! |
| [19:23:45] | iamlindoro_: | Woo hoo! |
| [19:24:55] | iamlindoro_: | PS, wonkette.com = Best. Political Site. Evar. |
| [19:25:55] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, why is hillary still in the race? |
| [19:26:10] | iamlindoro_: | directhex, Because she hates everyone? |
| [19:26:46] | directhex: | except mccain and rove! |
| [19:26:52] | sebrock_: | hahaha |
| [19:27:04] | sebrock_: | politics... american... I say no more |
| [19:27:09] | iamlindoro_: | Laugh all you want, I gotta *live* here |
| [19:27:16] | sebrock_: | right |
| [19:27:31] | orthoevra: | they are all liars.. just gotta pick the lesser of the evil |
| [19:27:52] | sebrock_: | Funny thing is, we have a couple of tv stations which actually buys some of the crap shows that you have over there |
| [19:28:15] | sebrock_: | stuff like Opera, and that other kitchen dame, and Montel |
| [19:28:16] | iamlindoro_: | Whoah whoah whoah, say what you want about our country and political process, but I draw the *line* at insulting our TV |
| [19:28:28] | orthoevra: | lol |
| [19:28:28] | directhex: | iamlindoro, fox news! |
| [19:28:30] | PatrickDK: | hehe :) |
| [19:28:35] | sebrock_: | I tell you I watched "montel" this morning and almost shit my pants |
| [19:28:47] | iamlindoro_: | directhex, To be fair all that vitriol is Australian-imported |
| [19:28:55] | orthoevra: | montel? that show is for women who dont have jobs |
| [19:28:57] | directhex: | montel's mostly off the air for insulting fox news |
| [19:29:06] | sebrock_: | I can believe all that utter shit thats on |
| [19:29:06] | Frosty-: | and for men who dont have jobs :) |
| [19:29:19] | sebrock_: | I think its for idiots alone |
| [19:29:23] | directhex: | he said reporting about shit instead of the iraq was was bad, in an interview. so he's been pulled |
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| [19:30:47] | orthoevra: | mythtv needs a mute commercials feature for watching live tv :( |
| [19:31:05] | sebrock_: | now I say shit, the upgrade stalled |
| [19:31:17] | iamlindoro_: | orthoevra, It'd be tought given it doesn't commercial flag live tv |
| [19:31:20] | iamlindoro_: | er tough |
| [19:31:36] | sebrock_: | when restarting NFS |
| [19:31:45] | orthoevra: | yeah.. i just complain .. i just had to suffer through a really bad commercial |
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| [19:31:52] | iamlindoro_: | Hehe |
| [19:32:18] | sebrock_: | a break fixed that one |
| [19:32:28] | sebrock_: | but probably more stuff is bad now |
| [19:32:40] | sebrock_: | this is what I mean |
| [19:32:43] | sebrock_: | never works |
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| [19:33:42] | Frosty-: | Commercials are good for the soul |
| [19:34:04] | The_Rebel: | deeznuts is good for teh body |
| [19:34:12] | The_Rebel: | open wide Frosty- |
| [19:35:03] | Frosty-: | mythtv-setup is unable to complete a channel scan, it bombs out with "Fatal IO error: client killed" |
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| [19:35:44] | The_Rebel: | -killalloffrostiesclients |
| [19:36:03] | Frosty-: | /cry |
| [19:36:15] | iamlindoro_: | Aw Jeez, did you leave the Kill Port open *again*? |
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| [19:38:35] | iamlindoro_: | if [ `hostname` = "FrostyPC1" ]; then { killall mythtv-setup } else echo "Not Frosty's PC, running MythFellatio..." |
| [19:39:36] | Frosty-: | why the curly brackets if it uses if-then statements |
| [19:39:37] | Frosty-: | fail |
| [19:39:53] | iamlindoro_: | superfluous doesn't mean non-functional |
| [19:40:00] | iamlindoro_: | you're just mad 'cause you can't run mythfellatio |
| [19:40:13] | Frosty-: | wtf is mythfellatio :o |
| [19:40:14] | orthoevra: | :D |
| [19:40:17] | Frosty-: | I'm just mad :( |
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| [19:40:50] | iamlindoro_: | It's the kind of Fellatio most hardcore Myth users get... Mythical. |
| [19:40:57] | Frosty-: | You're just making fun of me cuz you have no idea how to fix my problem. Its just an emotinal smoke screen to hide your inadequencies |
| [19:41:10] | iamlindoro_: | I wasn't aware I was making fun of you, period. |
| [19:41:29] | Frosty-: | most bullies dont |
| [19:41:37] | iamlindoro_: | *eyeroll* |
| [19:41:51] | orthoevra: | dont make him mad he might come into #mythtv-users and shoot up the place |
| [19:42:02] | Frosty-: | this is harrasment! where are the ircops! |
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| [19:42:30] | directhex: | they'll arrive after the whaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance |
| [19:43:04] | Frosty-: | anyways the error message in google points towards a Qt drawing error, does mythtv-setup follow the same preferences as in mythfrontend? |
| [19:43:27] | iamlindoro_: | yup |
| [19:43:47] | iamlindoro_: | But if you want to run it in gl mode temporarily you can mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=opengl |
| [19:43:53] | iamlindoro_: | Or Is it just gl? Whatevs. |
| [19:44:41] | Frosty-: | if opengl works, does it have any adv/disadv over Qt? I'm not aware of how either work |
| [19:44:48] | ** iamlindoro_ narrowly averts tragedy by showing moment of kindness. News at 11. ** | |
| [19:44:55] | iamlindoro_: | OpenGL is prettier, the end. |
| [19:45:05] | Frosty-: | can't say I can tell any difference |
| [19:45:09] | iamlindoro_: | transitions |
| [19:45:23] | orthoevra: | menus fade in and out |
| [19:45:26] | Deek: | It is? I can't see a difference except for the time-wasting fades. |
| [19:45:26] | Frosty-: | it didnt crash with opengl |
| [19:45:29] | orthoevra: | other than that i dont see a diff |
| [19:46:05] | Deek: | It sucks up RAM and is slower. yaaaay. :) |
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| [19:46:23] | orthoevra: | myth using GL for me takes 5% of my ram |
| [19:46:25] | iamlindoro_: | uh oh, that nicks bodes poorly |
| [19:46:27] | iamlindoro_: | er nick |
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| [19:46:54] | directhex: | orthoevra, opengl renderer, not menus |
| [19:47:13] | orthoevra: | yes |
| [19:47:20] | Frosty-: | where are the transitions |
| [19:47:24] | directhex: | orthoevra, the opengl video renderer is epic win, and generally pwetty |
| [19:47:25] | Frosty-: | between menus? |
| [19:47:29] | directhex: | Frosty-, yes |
| [19:47:30] | iamlindoro_: | betweend things, usually... |
| [19:47:34] | directhex: | Frosty-, just a fade currently |
| [19:47:35] | Frosty-: | I dont see any :o |
| [19:47:45] | Frosty-: | does it depend on the theme? |
| [19:47:48] | myth-newb: | I just swapped my ide dvd rom for a sata dvd rom and now i can play dvd's it says missing plug ins |
| [19:47:49] | iamlindoro_: | nope |
| [19:47:53] | orthoevra: | directhex: i dunno.. it all looks good to me |
| [19:48:01] | Frosty-: | is it during livetv only? |
| [19:48:10] | iamlindoro_: | nope, has nothing to do with TV playback |
| [19:48:17] | iamlindoro_: | Menu navigation only |
| [19:48:19] | Frosty-: | if my box isn't capable of opengl will it silently fallback to Qt? |
| [19:49:22] | ** iamlindoro_ notices that instead of a moment of jubilation/thanks for overcoming the problem, we instead get "Where's my transitionz at, bitches?" ** | |
| [19:50:16] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, frontend logs will tell you if it's falling back |
| [19:58:31] | sebrock_: | when removing old mythtv packages will it erase *everythin*, ie .mythtv and so on? |
| [19:58:40] | iamlindoro_: | sebrock_, not .mythtv |
| [19:58:45] | myth-newb: | I just swapped my ide dvd rom for a sata dvd rom and now i can play dvd's it says missing plug ins |
| [19:58:47] | iamlindoro_: | That'll remain |
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| [20:00:00] | sebrock_: | iamlindoro_: so all that has to be made is to restore the DB then? |
| [20:00:02] | iamlindoro_: | myth-newb, What are you trying to play DVDs in that it complains about plugins? 'cause it ain't myth |
| [20:00:08] | iamlindoro_: | sebrock_, Yep |
| [20:00:37] | myth-newb: | it is |
| [20:00:58] | sebrock_: | great |
| [20:01:08] | iamlindoro_: | myth-newb, Sounds to me more like your, and stop me if I'm wrong here, *Ubuntu*... is set to auto-detect inserted disks and is launching Something not-myth |
| [20:01:33] | myth-newb: | I dont use the ubuntu side of things |
| [20:01:38] | myth-newb: | just myth |
| [20:01:42] | myth-newb: | it worked fine |
| [20:01:50] | myth-newb: | all i hav e changed is |
| [20:01:54] | iamlindoro_: | Post a screenshot of the error |
| [20:02:01] | myth-newb: | swapped the drives and rebooted |
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| [20:02:21] | iamlindoro_: | And are you quoting the error from the frontend logs, or from some popup? |
| [20:02:28] | iamlindoro_: | And what precisely is the error? |
| [20:02:36] | myth-newb: | popup |
| [20:02:42] | iamlindoro_: | quote the error |
| [20:02:50] | myth-newb: | dev/dvd no longer exists :-s |
| [20:02:56] | myth-newb: | i wonder if its moved |
| [20:02:58] | orthoevra: | heh thats not a myth error :) |
| [20:03:08] | Frosty-: | iamlindoro, my mother walked in, had to do the formal meet and greet, not seen her for weeks :s |
| [20:03:18] | iamlindoro_: | Not to mention not being a message about plugins |
| [20:03:19] | Frosty-: | iamlindoro, you have my upmost gratitude |
| [20:03:27] | iamlindoro_: | Frosty-, ;) |
| [20:03:34] | myth-newb: | i just opened xine outside myth |
| [20:03:40] | myth-newb: | and click play dvd |
| [20:04:03] | myth-newb: | and it said "dvd drive cannot be found" |
| [20:04:06] | orthoevra: | in xine setup u have to setup the path to the new drive |
| [20:04:11] | myth-newb: | no |
| [20:04:19] | orthoevra: | yes |
| [20:04:35] | orthoevra: | your xine is looking at /dev/dvd and obviously the new drive is /dev/somethingelse |
| [20:04:39] | myth-newb: | im not even sure where the new dvd drive is |
| [20:04:53] | iamlindoro_: | /dev/sd(something) is a good guess |
| [20:05:22] | myth-newb: | ho do i display all drives? |
| [20:05:34] | orthoevra: | put the disk in, if it mounts then type: df in a terminal to see |
| [20:05:37] | iamlindoro_: | ps, a search for "no longer exists" in the myth source returns no relevant results. Not. A. Myth. Error. |
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| [20:08:15] | myth-newb: | Iamlindoro: posting sarcy comments does not help or welcome linux moobs into the linux community. Try constructive help please or don't bother at all |
| [20:08:23] | Frosty-: | I've just ran mythtv-setup again, and now "Watch TV" is defaulting to using the second tuner, how can I change the default tuner for live tv? |
| [20:08:27] | orthoevra: | myth-newb: once u know the new path open xine, go to setup, change configuration experience level to "Master of the known universe" then go to the Media tab and enter the new path in the "device used for DVD playback" box |
| [20:08:32] | iamlindoro_: | myth-newb, What I am telling you is that your error is *not* coming from myth |
| [20:09:16] | orthoevra: | hmm do i want to drive to the store just to get something to drink.... i hate tap water |
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| [20:09:54] | orthoevra: | myth-newb: just type "df" in a terminal it will show you all mounted drives and their paths |
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| [20:10:09] | iamlindoro_: | And my job isn't to "welcome you into the community" or some nonsense. You are not able to give accurate debug information, your problem has nothing to do with myth, you would be better served going to #ubuntu as it is likely the error comes from nautilus. |
| [20:10:22] | myth-newb: | hang on |
| [20:11:09] | myth-newb: | "/dev/scd0" |
| [20:11:12] | myth-newb: | :-) |
| [20:11:18] | orthoevra: | there ya go.. now put that in xine |
| [20:11:29] | myth-newb: | do i have to change that in xine and vlc? |
| [20:11:39] | orthoevra: | dunno about vlc i never use it |
| [20:11:45] | myth-newb: | i have to |
| [20:12:00] | myth-newb: | dvd playback is rubbish in xine with my ati card |
| [20:12:08] | myth-newb: | but its sweet in vlc |
| [20:12:14] | orthoevra: | ati..... |
| [20:12:22] | myth-newb: | but vobs, avis and such are fine in xine |
| [20:12:48] | myth-newb: | and xine doesnt handle multiple vobs an 2 parted films very well |
| [20:12:58] | myth-newb: | so i play those in vlc too |
| [20:13:14] | myth-newb: | Yes i know ati support sucks in linux but it was on board |
| [20:13:20] | myth-newb: | i plan to upgrade |
| [20:13:26] | mchou: | ati is just plain retarded. They don't know how much market share they are missing by not supporting linux |
| [20:13:28] | orthoevra: | it sucks in any os :) |
| [20:13:46] | myth-newb: | i find ati brilliant under windows |
| [20:13:47] | mchou: | orthoevra: that's true too |
| [20:14:07] | myth-newb: | I had a radeon 9800 pro for years in xp worked fine |
| [20:14:21] | mchou: | orthoevra: ATI drivers for any OS are a joke. Thy actually have pretty good hardware |
| [20:14:32] | orthoevra: | yep |
| [20:14:34] | mchou: | They* |
| [20:14:57] | myth-newb: | i may need to get a budjet nvidia card with hdmi out soon |
| [20:15:14] | mchou: | and I don't think AMD has helped ATI much as far a linux goes |
| [20:15:17] | orthoevra: | i see friends try ati every now and then and they end up going to nvidia. one friend actually took his ati 9800 out and cracked it in half over his knee |
| [20:15:26] | mchou: | lol |
| [20:15:40] | mchou: | talk about frustration :) |
| [20:15:52] | mchou: | he coulds fleabay'd it |
| [20:15:54] | myth-newb: | my on baord ati is coping ok at the moment though its running at 1920 by 1080 and it will play back hd filed ok with only the odd glitch |
| [20:15:55] | orthoevra: | yeah lol was funniest thing ever :) |
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| [20:16:40] | mchou: | but nvidia chips run too hot |
| [20:16:54] | mchou: | frigging fans suck too |
| [20:17:14] | orthoevra: | i hate fan noise... |
| [20:17:21] | mchou: | always got to replace those lame-o oem fans |
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| [20:17:57] | orthoevra: | dont buy pny nvidia cards then :P it seems they always have fan isues, so far 8800 BFG using is perfect |
| [20:18:16] | mchou: | I have a BFG and the fans suck there too |
| [20:18:31] | orthoevra: | my only complaint with nvidia is they stopped making GL work across chipsets >< |
| [20:18:31] | myth-newb: | i just need a card that has hdmi out |
| [20:18:37] | mchou: | in fact I'm about to replace that fan |
| [20:18:39] | myth-newb: | and will compe with hd |
| [20:18:43] | myth-newb: | cope |
| [20:18:50] | myth-newb: | and hdcp |
| [20:18:59] | orthoevra: | pre 1.0 drivers used to allow GL to work across xinerama with diff card types |
| [20:19:02] | myth-newb: | fanless would be better |
| [20:19:08] | mchou: | myth-newb: get a new computer :) |
| [20:19:21] | myth-newb: | its brand new :-( |
| [20:19:43] | mchou: | myth-newb: what brand/kind is it? |
| [20:19:51] | myth-newb: | i built it |
| [20:20:10] | mchou: | myth-newb: that's your mistake |
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| [20:20:21] | myth-newb: | there was no mistake |
| [20:20:31] | mchou: | sure there is |
| [20:20:35] | myth-newb: | nope |
| [20:20:42] | myth-newb: | i am aware of the ati issues |
| [20:20:51] | myth-newb: | but it was part of a budget |
| [20:20:55] | mchou: | you wouldnt be asking us if you knew what you were doing |
| [20:20:58] | myth-newb: | i plan to upgrade |
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| [20:21:58] | mchou: | check out HP Pavilion Slimline 3330f |
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| [20:23:02] | myth-newb: | thanks for the help I have sorted it now |
| [20:23:32] | mchou: | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0010DSDXM |
| [20:24:05] | mchou: | that's basically an iMac w/o the "encumbrances" |
| [20:24:26] | mchou: | I meant a mac mini |
| [20:24:44] | orthoevra: | eww its got vista all up in it! get it off get it off |
| [20:25:11] | myth-newb: | where do you put your tv card on a mac mini apart from poking out the back in a usb port? |
| [20:25:23] | myth-newb: | Vista |
| [20:25:33] | myth-newb: | I have that on my work laptop |
| [20:25:35] | myth-newb: | urgh |
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| [20:25:44] | myth-newb: | it crashes almost every day |
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| [20:25:59] | orthoevra: | yeah we have to go to vista this year.... i cant test it because my laptop wont run it |
| [20:26:17] | mchou: | myth-newb: the implication is you buy the HW and format the HDD with linux :) |
| [20:26:21] | myth-newb: | I have to run vista though |
| [20:26:28] | mchou: | says who? |
| [20:26:28] | myth-newb: | I work for a software house |
| [20:26:33] | mchou: | lol |
| [20:26:37] | myth-newb: | and our software is not linux friendly |
| [20:26:54] | myth-newb: | infact its not especially vista friendly at the mo |
| [20:26:56] | myth-newb: | lol |
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| [20:27:25] | mchou: | myth-newb: I don't understand how a sw house can afford not to support OSS these days |
| [20:27:44] | myth-newb: | no one has ever asked for linux support yet |
| [20:27:48] | myth-newb: | although |
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| [20:28:04] | myth-newb: | in may our entire range is being re-written to be web based |
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| [20:28:15] | mchou: | good luck there |
| [20:28:22] | orthoevra: | i like to call linksys "oh your running linux.. we dont support linux" and i say "yes you do your routers are running it and you support them" |
| [20:28:27] | myth-newb: | I dont write code thank god |
| [20:28:33] | mchou: | that's just the same issue 1 indirection removed |
| [20:28:48] | myth-newb: | I install hardware |
| [20:28:50] | mchou: | differnt OS, different browsers :) |
| [20:28:55] | orthoevra: | they always think you want "linux support" when they find out your not using windows.. i dont need linux support i need support with your product! |
| [20:29:00] | myth-newb: | we support firefow |
| [20:29:05] | myth-newb: | sorry firefox |
| [20:30:09] | myth-newb: | We tried to get our time and attendace software running on ubuntu once without re-developing it |
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| [20:30:16] | myth-newb: | it nearly worked |
| [20:30:28] | myth-newb: | in wine |
| [20:30:29] | mchou: | time and attendance?? |
| [20:30:42] | myth-newb: | you know clockin in records and stuff |
| [20:30:43] | mchou: | you me like google calendar? :) |
| [20:30:50] | mchou: | mean* |
| [20:30:57] | myth-newb: | lol |
| [20:31:00] | myth-newb: | no quite |
| [20:31:36] | myth-newb: | I install clocking in machines and door access hardware and the software communicates with it |
| [20:31:50] | mchou: | lol |
| [20:31:59] | mchou: | that requires windows?? |
| [20:32:03] | mchou: | wtf |
| [20:32:03] | myth-newb: | yep |
| [20:32:12] | mchou: | every heard of EMBEDDED? |
| [20:32:14] | myth-newb: | its writted in vb and .net |
| [20:32:20] | mchou: | frack |
| [20:32:27] | mchou: | ghetto |
| [20:33:17] | mchou: | requiring windows for such a simple app is retarded |
| [20:33:21] | myth-newb: | It does need windows because that is what %100 of all payroll managers use on their desktops |
| [20:33:30] | mchou: | wtf. |
| [20:33:55] | mchou: | that's total bullshit |
| [20:34:05] | jackson: | ...of course that's the response you'd get in a linux based irc channel... |
| [20:34:13] | mchou: | the data doesn't care what OS is used |
| [20:34:19] | myth-newb: | I have been installing this stuff for 7 years |
| [20:34:41] | mchou: | myth-newb: which is why you dont understand |
| [20:34:42] | myth-newb: | I have never come across any corporation running anything other than citrix or windows on their clients |
| [20:34:51] | mchou: | haha.... |
| [20:34:59] | mchou: | that's total bullshit |
| [20:35:07] | mchou: | ever been in a hospital? |
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| [20:35:12] | myth-newb: | yes |
| [20:35:19] | myth-newb: | every single one in the country |
| [20:35:26] | myth-newb: | our biggest customer |
| [20:35:30] | myth-newb: | is ISS mediclean |
| [20:35:43] | mchou: | then you know some of them don't run windows |
| [20:35:44] | myth-newb: | all their payroll departments have citrix |
| [20:35:59] | myth-newb: | because they all point to a server in Woking |
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| [20:36:44] | myth-newb: | and they need windows to run other apps like Ernie and sage for their payroll |
| [20:36:53] | myth-newb: | Dont get me wrong |
| [20:37:03] | jackson: | myth-newb, don't bother arguing with mchou |
| [20:37:24] | myth-newb: | I hate M$ I like linux but it is the simple truth there is no share in business desktops at the moment |
| [20:37:31] | mchou: | jackson: who the hell are you? |
| [20:37:38] | myth-newb: | lol |
| [20:37:46] | jackson: | chuckle |
| [20:40:52] | mchou: | whether the payroll managers use windows or not has nothing to do with "security" clients running windows |
| [20:40:56] | myth-newb: | no really who are you |
| [20:41:17] | myth-newb: | i never mentioned security clents |
| [20:41:25] | jackson: | me? I'm on the development staff who works with .net |
| [20:41:27] | mchou: | myth-newb: who are you referring to |
| [20:41:30] | javatexan: | anyone writing to blu ray disks from mythtv using ubuntu or the like? |
| [20:41:32] | sphery: | s/b c |
| [20:41:37] | sphery: | can't type... |
| [20:41:42] | myth-newb: | the dont need time and attendance software |
| [20:42:07] | mchou: | myth-newb: no, but you did mention clock in/door access HW |
| [20:42:37] | myth-newb: | security dont get access to the door software |
| [20:42:42] | myth-newb: | it goes to hr |
| [20:42:56] | myth-newb: | they decide who gets access to where |
| [20:43:09] | mchou: | that's why I put "security" in quotes |
| [20:43:54] | mchou: | myth-newb: so stop dodging |
| [20:44:04] | myth-newb: | lol im not dodging |
| [20:44:10] | myth-newb: | but seriously |
| [20:44:25] | myth-newb: | in 7 years i never came across a client i could not install |
| [20:44:45] | myth-newb: | becuase they all run windows of some description |
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| [20:45:03] | mchou: | what app/os payroll managers use has NOTHING to do with whatever clock-in "app" is running |
| [20:45:08] | myth-newb: | linux is kept in the server room in red hat |
| [20:45:33] | mchou: | the clock-in apps could run palm for all the HR managers care |
| [20:45:48] | myth-newb: | But they dont |
| [20:46:04] | myth-newb: | they run windows so our 9 programmers all code for windows |
| [20:46:11] | myth-newb: | thats just life |
| [20:46:17] | mchou: | point is whatever the HR people use has NOTHING to do with the clock in app aside from data exchange |
| [20:46:27] | myth-newb: | My point is |
| [20:46:31] | myth-newb: | they all run windows |
| [20:46:40] | mchou: | which better be OS independent :) |
| [20:46:46] | myth-newb: | so our software is written for windows |
| [20:46:48] | myth-newb: | it isnt |
| [20:47:00] | myth-newb: | it used god knows how many dll's |
| [20:47:03] | myth-newb: | and sthings |
| [20:47:18] | myth-newb: | and built in communications protocols in windows |
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| [20:47:36] | myth-newb: | and windows file sharing to access servers |
| [20:47:50] | myth-newb: | and odbc to acces M$ sql server |
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| [20:48:19] | myth-newb: | Its not that simple an app |
| [20:48:26] | myth-newb: | its 9 years into developmetn |
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| [20:52:08] | Deek: | It's only small installations, the cost of Windows isn't that bad for small installs. |
| [20:53:08] | borga2: | I've got this urgent matter! My mythbuntu 7.10 installation failed after apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| [20:53:10] | Deek: | when you have 5,000, it starts making sense to not use Windows. |
| [20:53:28] | borga2: | mythtv: Depends: mythtv-backend (= 0.21.0–0ubuntu2~gutsy1) but it is not going to be installed |
| [20:53:32] | borga2: | anyone? |
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| [20:55:22] | Deek: | borga2: mythtv != mythbuntu |
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| [20:56:16] | borga2: | No but that was to indicate which system I've installed |
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| [20:57:07] | jarle: | borga2: if you don't get any help here, you could always check out #ubuntu-mythtv also.. |
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| [20:59:03] | borga2: | Okay, thanks |
| [20:59:33] | iamlindoro_: | borga2, It is very likely that that particular package isn't going to be installed because some dependency for it is not available |
| [20:59:36] | bradd: | where does mythtv frontend look for channel icons to display in the osd? $HOME/.mythtv/channels? |
| [20:59:59] | iamlindoro_: | borga2, Start moving your way backwards, ie apt-get install mythtv-backend, etc, etc until it tells you which packages isn't available |
| [21:00:08] | iamlindoro_: | er package |
| [21:01:43] | borga2: | It searches for "libnet-upnp-perl" which is not aviable |
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| [21:03:10] | arschjucken: | bradd: i think where you configured it in the channels table to look at (i use /usr/share/mythtv/icons) |
| [21:03:35] | bradd: | thats in the settings table in the db? |
| [21:03:43] | arschjucken: | no in the channels table |
| [21:03:53] | arschjucken: | theres a icon field for every channel |
| [21:03:56] | iamlindoro_: | borga: add the repository they talk about here: https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-trunk/+archive and you should be able to get libnet-upnp-perl |
| [21:04:01] | bradd: | ahh |
| [21:04:13] | iamlindoro_: | borga2, and after adding it, of course, you will need to apt-get update |
| [21:04:19] | arschjucken: | there is sa script around to fill it with data, or u can do it by a hand like me, but thas annoying :) |
| [21:04:32] | arschjucken: | sry for typos |
| [21:04:34] | bradd: | its working on one of my frontends.. |
| [21:04:46] | bradd: | ahh i see |
| [21:04:52] | bradd: | not using mythtv as the user on this fe |
| [21:04:58] | arschjucken: | aaah maybe you havent the icons put on the 2nd frontend ? |
| [21:05:05] | bradd: | and its configured to look in mythtvs homedir |
| [21:05:17] | arschjucken: | aaah |
| [21:05:23] | arschjucken: | maybe thats the issue |
| [21:05:40] | arschjucken: | permissions etc |
| [21:06:26] | bradd: | yea that was it..put a symlink and its working now thanks |
| [21:06:32] | arschjucken: | =) |
| [21:06:36] | borga2: | It seems to be some building problems |
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| [21:06:51] | borga2: | I've got some info about backporting?! |
| [21:06:59] | iamlindoro_: | borga2, You're not building anything at all |
| [21:07:03] | borga2: | Which I don't know rats as about! |
| [21:07:30] | borga2: | Nope |
| [21:07:43] | borga2: | I was just happily dist-upgrading |
| [21:07:56] | iamlindoro_: | So what's the problem? I explained how to get what you need |
| [21:08:32] | iamlindoro_: | Go to the site I linked. Add the mythbuntu gutsy repository to sources.list. Apt-get update. apt-get install libnet-upnp-perl. apt-get install mythtv. |
| [21:08:54] | jarle: | Could anybody explain the meaning of the different numbers in the backend log: "Scheduled 194 items in 0.5 = 0.01 match + 0.47 place"? |
| [21:08:56] | borga2: | If I traverse backwards I end up with the system wanting me to install libnet-upnp-perl but it's not aviable |
| [21:09:23] | iamlindoro_: | borga2, *look at what I wrote*. I explained how to get that. Twice. |
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| [21:11:50] | iamlindoro_: | Heck, it doesn't even have to get *that* fancy, the deb for it is linked on that page. |
| [21:12:16] | borga2: | Sorry that you had to tell me twice! But I fail to find that package anyway! |
| [21:12:38] | Led-Hed: | Mythdora or Mythbuntu? |
| [21:12:39] | iamlindoro_: | borga2, There is a *link to the deb for your failed dep on the page* |
| [21:13:17] | borga2: | Sorry dude |
| [21:13:20] | iamlindoro_: | go to the page. Click the arrow next to "libnet-upnp-perl – 1.2.1–0ubuntu2~ppa2." Click the link that says "libnet-upnp-perl_1.2.1–0ubuntu2~ppa2_all.deb" dpkg -i libnet-upnp-perl_1.2.1–0ubuntu2~ppa2_all.deb |
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| [21:13:38] | borga2: | I accidentally inserted hardy |
| [21:14:34] | hnitsuj: | borga2: did it hurt? :P |
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| [21:14:45] | iamlindoro_: | I'm about to start inserting my boot |
| [21:14:49] | sentinel23: | lmfao |
| [21:14:51] | iamlindoro_: | and I don't mean /boot |
| [21:15:17] | iamlindoro_: | Although there is some grub on it |
| [21:15:34] | iamlindoro_: | I know what you're thinking, "Yum!" |
| [21:15:44] | iamlindoro_: | *rimshot* |
| [21:15:51] | hnitsuj: | witchety witchety :) |
| [21:17:00] | gbee: | Newb question, what are the reasons for using playback filters? What do they variously do? Upscaling? Colour correction? I've never known what the filters being used out there do and why anyone needs to use them? |
| [21:17:57] | gbee: | hmm, should have looked at the wiki first – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_playback_filters |
| [21:17:59] | gbee: | heh |
| [21:18:22] | hnitsuj: | gbee: users of noisy analogue cable might benefit from the DNR filter – or people wanting to relive the last acid trip they had. mmmm motion trails – yummy |
| [21:18:46] | borga2: | Now I managed to install it correctly, so now it complains about database upgrade fail. |
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| [21:18:59] | toresbe: | hello |
| [21:19:01] | toresbe: | I think there may be a problem with the Mythtv debian package |
| [21:19:06] | psymin: | wow MythZoneMinder plugin! |
| [21:19:36] | gbee: | hnitsuj: I guess that's the use case I was forgetting – analogue |
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| [21:20:17] | saxin: | hi toresbe :) |
| [21:20:48] | hnitsuj: | gbee: fwiw, only a deblocking filter would improve things for us freeviewers ;) |
| [21:21:49] | gbee: | heh, yeah |
| [21:22:49] | toresbe: | 22:18 <kvandivo> Welcome back to #mythtv. It has been a while (813.00 days ago, according to |
| [21:22:53] | toresbe: | 22:18 <kvandivo> my records) since I've seen you. |
| [21:22:53] | toresbe: | heh |
| [21:22:54] | gbee: | anyone know what the postprocess filter does? Wiki unhelpfully just says not to use it :) |
| [21:23:07] | hnitsuj: | I'd be tempted to pay bounties to have lanczos scaling in 0.22 for when I finally take to HDTV |
| [21:23:23] | hnitsuj: | gbee: if anybody knew I'd have thought they'd be next door ;) |
| [21:24:08] | hnitsuj: | hahaha.. "If you are interested in how the algorithm works, you may examine the source code to see how four parameter are used.". yeah that's user friendly ;) |
| [21:24:12] | gbee: | hnitsuj: well it seemed off-topic, hell if I could be bothered I'd look at the code |
| [21:25:01] | gbee: | a wiki user who seemed to know more about the filters than me questioned why I'd added a note about Xine being deprecated |
| [21:25:02] | hnitsuj: | as far as it goes in here there aren't many people who've even acknowledged the existence of playback filters AFAIK |
| [21:25:30] | sphery: | gbee: I think it's the same as the "spp" in MPlayer. See man mplayer and search for spp |
| [21:25:33] | gbee: | but it seems as though they are running an unusual setup |
| [21:26:10] | sphery: | gbee: but I haven't looked at code, so that's just guesswork based on what little discussion I"ve seen of filters |
| [21:26:28] | sphery: | (Oh, specifically, I meant the "postprocess" filter = "spp" filter) |
| [21:26:47] | hnitsuj: | xine being deprecated? hmm? |
| [21:26:48] | gbee: | "Simple postprocessing filter that compresses and decompresses the image at several (or ? in the case of quality level 6 ? all) shifts and averages the results." |
| [21:27:02] | gbee: | err yes, but what does it _do_ :P |
| [21:27:09] | hnitsuj: | sounds like deblockering |
| [21:27:13] | borga2: | db upgrade failes to schema 1214 |
| [21:27:23] | hnitsuj: | borga2: try running mythtv-setup first |
| [21:27:32] | sphery: | hnitsuj: I think he meant, the use of xine (rather than Internal) for MythVideo playback is deprecated... |
| [21:27:37] | hnitsuj: | ah |
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| [21:27:46] | purserj: | hrmm, upgraded to .21 last night and this morning its complaining about not being able to connect to the database |
| [21:27:53] | sphery: | gbee: I wasn't saying I know what it does, only that it's like the MPlayer spp... :) |
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| [21:28:04] | hnitsuj: | wow, as far as I know xine hasn't been the default video player for a long long time |
| [21:28:07] | gbee: | sounds to me like smearing vaseline across the screen in an attempt to get a smoother picture at the expense of quality |
| [21:28:27] | sphery: | hnitsuj: Yeah. A lot of people are still setting it (or mplayer) up |
| [21:28:37] | sphery: | many don't even know the Internal player works (kind of sad) |
| [21:28:46] | sphery: | gbee: interesting... http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=Libavfilter |
| [21:29:00] | hnitsuj: | sphery: it was a no-go area on my epia, had to use xine or else |
| [21:29:02] | gbee: | hnitsuj: no it hasn't but there are still guides out there from 0.14 which people follow when setting up 0.21 etc, so they use mplayer/xine for no good reason |
| [21:29:35] | borga2: | I get the same error when I do the mythtv-setup |
| [21:29:47] | hnitsuj: | had moar conflicts tonight. think the time will soon come to upgradify |
| [21:29:55] | gbee: | I was just seeking to emphasise that mplayer/xine are not needed |
| [21:30:03] | toresbe: | oh god |
| [21:30:24] | hnitsuj: | good point. plus the more people use Internal (now internal too IIRC) the more bugs can be reported & squished :) |
| [21:30:28] | toresbe: | setup is horrible on this thing, and so pointless: This could and SHOULD be replaced with a very small perl script! |
| [21:30:43] | hnitsuj: | toresbe: you're the man. get to it right away! |
| [21:30:54] | sphery: | borga2: what's the db upgrade failure error? ( http://pastebin.ca/ |
| [21:31:03] | toresbe: | hnitsuj: I'm just whining angrily. :) |
| [21:31:06] | orthoevra: | should mythweb display my images/pics? |
| [21:31:17] | toresbe: | I haven't the skill or the interest. I'm just whining in the appropriate arena. :) |
| [21:31:22] | sphery: | orthoevra: what images/pics? MythGallery? |
| [21:31:31] | sphery: | If so, I think it's not yet implemented |
| [21:31:38] | hnitsuj: | toresbe: cat it to /dev/null – just as effective, if not more so |
| [21:31:58] | orthoevra: | sphery: yeah sorry :) couldnt think for a second.. i seem to remember .20 mythweb had that |
| [21:32:12] | orthoevra: | gotcha |
| [21:32:13] | hnitsuj: | don't think it did |
| [21:32:13] | sphery: | orthoevra: kormoc is trying to decide on a gallery module to use and the decision has much to do with the future direction of MythGallery (which is affected by the future direction of things like MythVideo and MythMusic). |
| [21:32:28] | purserj: | okay mythbackend can connect to the db, I can connect to the db via the mysql commandline however the frontend stuff plus setup are both throwing "Cannot Connect Errors" |
| [21:32:35] | orthoevra: | sphery: ok, just wasnt sure if i messed something up or if it was not supposed to be there |
| [21:32:36] | gbee: | sphery: should satisfy everyone when there is a common filter interface being used |
| [21:33:04] | hnitsuj: | gbee: might that mean software scaling coming to myth at last? |
| [21:33:10] | borga2: | http://pastebin.ca/938810 |
| [21:33:26] | sphery: | gbee: Yeah. I've heard the current filters are hack/ports right now. If so, libavfilter would be nice to replace it... |
| [21:33:39] | hnitsuj: | I didn't care about sw scaling a while back but I've seen what it can do since |
| [21:33:56] | hnitsuj: | sphery: just so long as it works better than libvisual :P |
| [21:33:58] | sphery: | borga2: You have a corrupt DB... |
| [21:34:18] | sphery: | borga2: I can walk you through fixing it... But I need the output of: SELECT * FROM storagegroup; |
| [21:34:55] | sphery: | borga2: thanks for mentioning it, too. You're the second to experience the same problem (with the same original DB corruption). So, I'll now look at getting a fix in 0.21 so it won't happen in the future... |
| [21:36:21] | borga2: | 1 default myth-back /vault/recordings |
| [21:36:24] | gbee: | libvisual is a joke, so many people begged for it to be included and when it finally is, it turns out to be a crashy piece of s*** |
| [21:37:05] | borga2: | 2 default myth-front /var/lib/mythtv/recordings |
| [21:37:09] | borga2: | 3 default OLDHOSTNAME /var/lib/mythtv/recordings |
| [21:37:16] | borga2: | That's it |
| [21:37:19] | sphery: | borga2: Sorry. Wrong query.... I need (pastebin'ed): SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value = 'RecordFilePrefix'; |
| [21:37:38] | sphery: | gbee: No joke on libvisual. |
| [21:38:16] | Dagmar: | I thought one could just run `mysqlcheck --all-databases` |
| [21:38:19] | sphery: | I've been telling people in here who had problems getting it enabled on compile that they're probably better off without it because they'll just disable it because of the crashes. |
| [21:38:56] | sphery: | Dagmar: TTBOMK, that hasn't ever been an option, but there is a mysqldump --all-databases , but it requires special permissions. |
| [21:39:31] | Dagmar: | *snap* |
| [21:39:41] | Dagmar: | No wait, it's myisamchk that can fix duplicate keys |
| [21:40:03] | sphery: | Dagmar: he really needs to fix the corrupt data in his DB, though. :) |
| [21:40:12] | Dagmar: | mysqlcheck definitely takes --all-databases as an argument |
| [21:40:18] | toresbe: | hnitsuj: user feedback is important. Especially when there's a huge deficiency in the software, in such a specific area. |
| [21:40:25] | gbee: | what bothers me most about libvisual is the number of users who will assume mythtv is at fault instead |
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| [21:40:29] | Dagmar: | I went through a LOT of failure permutations trying to harden the DB against power failures |
| [21:40:32] | sphery: | Dagmar: guess so |
| [21:40:39] | hnitsuj: | toresbe: works fine for lots of people. you want it fixed, you fix it. that's the beauty of open source |
| [21:40:43] | Dagmar: | It took me a bit to find the right page in the spiral notebook I kept notes in |
| [21:41:02] | toresbe: | hnitsuj: "works fine for a lot of people" is true but not relevant. |
| [21:41:06] | sphery: | gbee: like the bug where Myth caused MySQL to crash on channel change? |
| [21:41:13] | hnitsuj: | toresbe: yu can whine all you like, you can let people whine about you whining too but it won't change a thing |
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| [21:41:22] | Dagmar: | An SQL query really shouldn't be able to crash the server |
| [21:41:43] | sid3windr: | an <insert anything> should not be able to crash the myth backend |
| [21:41:45] | toresbe: | hnitsuj: I don't consider it whining; it's a deficiency in the application. |
| [21:41:46] | sid3windr: | etc |
| [21:41:50] | sphery: | yeah, it was a hardware issue or a bad MySQL install or a bug in MySQL |
| [21:41:53] | sid3windr: | same thing ;) |
| [21:42:00] | hnitsuj: | toresbe: if you feel that strongy, add your suggestion to the wiki in the feature requests area |
| [21:42:01] | toresbe: | sphery: very likely the latter :) |
| [21:42:04] | sphery: | Still, when users report stuff like that, it "hurts" |
| [21:42:06] | hnitsuj: | *strongly |
| [21:42:07] | Dagmar: | sphery: STuff like this is why I put a whole bunch of stuff in my MySQL init script to somewhat cautiously approach the databases before starting the server |
| [21:42:28] | toresbe: | hnitsuj: I can't be bothered. I'm not a religious user. I just checked it out, and it sucked. It had a huge, unnecessary, and nonobvious setup routine. |
| [21:42:38] | gbee: | toresbe: you are expecting other people to give up their time to fix it – we know what the problems are better than you do, but none of us are paid to work on mythtv, we don't have time |
| [21:42:54] | toresbe: | gbee: I'm certainly not expecting anything. I'm idly complaining. |
| [21:42:54] | hnitsuj: | toresbe: you can't be bothered so why should anybody else? man people have given up on contributing for lesser comments |
| [21:42:54] | sphery: | Dagmar: Yeah. I have my startup script ping the DB (which is great for multiple backends--since if the DB doesn't exist on backend startup, the backend exits)... |
| [21:42:59] | toresbe: | gbee: Are you a developer? |
| [21:43:02] | sphery: | borga2: Did I scare you away |
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| [21:43:07] | lwizardl: | Hi |
| [21:43:12] | sphery: | gbee is a very prolific developer for Myth... |
| [21:43:22] | lwizardl: | does mythtv support encrypted filesystems? |
| [21:43:23] | hnitsuj: | sphery: more like prodigious ;) |
| [21:43:25] | Dagmar: | sphery: I did not find any sane way to ping the DB without having valid credentials tho |
| [21:43:36] | hnitsuj: | lwizardl: a filesystem is just a filesystem |
| [21:43:40] | ** sphery goes to the dictionary ** | |
| [21:43:44] | GreyFoxx: | lwizardl: Myth really has nothing to do with the FS |
| [21:43:55] | toresbe: | gbee: then I frankly find your attitude quite stupid. "we know what the problems are better than you do"? |
| [21:44:06] | PatrickDK: | you don't technically need to login to the database though do you? |
| [21:44:07] | hnitsuj: | lwizardl: if a user can read/write a file, then so should mythtv |
| [21:44:08] | Dagmar: | sphery: I basically wound up getting around that by having the thing generate a random password for the root mysql user, and storing it in /root/.my.cnf |
| [21:44:15] | PatrickDK: | can't you just see if the tcp connection fails or not? |
| [21:44:23] | |Torg|: | Dagmar mysql gives differnt errors if the credentials are wrong vs if it is unavialble. Why not use those? |
| [21:44:27] | GreyFoxx: | toresbe:That's because he's right. we are well aware of the deficiences and problems around setup |
| [21:44:31] | hnitsuj: | toresbe: it's not idle complaining anymore it's trolling |
| [21:44:48] | Dagmar: | torq: Because the timeout sucks |
| [21:44:49] | toresbe: | hnitsuj: I complained idly, you took the discussion up. I'm not trolling. You don't know what trolling is. |
| [21:44:50] | GreyFoxx: | And while the goal is to improve setup to be much easier |
| [21:44:54] | ** purserj beats his head against mysql ** | |
| [21:44:55] | sphery: | Dagmar: I ping it with: mysqladmin -h${DBHostName} -umythtv ping |
| [21:44:56] | borga2: | http://pastebin.ca/938825 |
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| [21:45:09] | sphery: | Dagmar: using the MySQL Options file (~/.my.conf) for the password |
| [21:45:12] | sphery: | borga2: thx |
| [21:45:14] | hnitsuj: | that one user decided not to use mythtv because of its setup mechanism is nothing anybody will be losing any sleep over, that's all |
| [21:45:14] | GreyFoxx: | Its not a fulltime job and will be prioritiezed by the one doing the coding |
| [21:45:42] | GreyFoxx: | Now if someone wanted to pay me to code on myth all day (I'd love that) I've got lots of stuff I'd do |
| [21:45:55] | GreyFoxx: | including stuff that's not just what I want |
| [21:45:56] | gbee: | toresbe: we're all users in addition to being developers, we know the limitations, flaws, bugs and usability issues, we've been using mythtv for a long time, but mythtv is a huge application and we've a very small dev team |
| [21:45:58] | lwizardl: | I'm trying to do this maybe someone here knows of a way. I have a 160gb usb drive currently its ext3 partitioned. I want to make this drive require a password before i will be mounted onto a system (does not need to be readable on windows) |
| [21:46:01] | GreyFoxx: | but since my time is limited for now it's stuff that concerns me most |
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| [21:46:10] | toresbe: | hnitsuj: and secondly, at one point I considered working on mythtv, but my interactions with the mythtv community turned me off that. |
| [21:46:39] | hnitsuj: | I used to do a lot but there's something about receiving hate email that put me off |
| [21:46:47] | Dagmar: | sphery: Considering I was already storing the root mysql password, and the init script _does not assume_ the mythtv mysql user or tables exist_ that was a problem |
| [21:46:53] | Dagmar: | I kinda had to use the root user for it |
| [21:46:58] | ** iamlindoro__ loves the "I *could* help you, but you guys are big jerky-pantseses" attitude. ** | |
| [21:47:29] | toresbe: | iamlindoro__: I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that I was treated so unpleasantly back then that I didn't feel like spending spare time on the project. |
| [21:47:49] | sphery: | Dagmar: Yeah. I assume if there's no mythtv user in MySQL, there's no usable mythconverg DB... |
| [21:47:52] | hnitsuj: | toresbe: ok, so we can't even say we look forward to seeing your patches :( |
| [21:47:52] | gbee: | ease of setup is not the highest priority for most devs, or users, it only has to be done once! There are more pressing, day to day things which have a far greater influence on the user experience |
| [21:47:53] | ** GreyFoxx is taking next week off. Might get a chance to work on a couple of projects I've had on the backburner for myth ** | |
| [21:47:59] | iamlindoro__: | I'm pretty sure those two are the same thing :) |
| [21:48:07] | GreyFoxx: | and finally rent a ps3 to try and reproduce the upnp issue some of them have |
| [21:48:14] | Dagmar: | sphery: Yeah, so the logical thing to do at that step is basically to have the thing create the mythtv user and tables |
| [21:48:26] | Dagmar: | ...or at least it seemed so at the time |
| [21:48:31] | Dagmar: | The damn mysql docs make my head ache |
| [21:48:40] | toresbe: | 22:47 < gbee> ease of setup is not the highest priority for most devs, or users |
| [21:48:46] | Dagmar: | They REALLY never explain anything in 100 words when 2,000 will do |
| [21:48:54] | toresbe: | gbee: I'd agree on the former, but not on the latter. You got to the point very well. |
| [21:48:54] | sphery: | Dagmar: Or, at least create the mythtv user and DB. The tables should be created by mythtv-setup or mythbackend |
| [21:49:08] | hnitsuj: | stuff I still want to do is blocked by too many classes not having the right member functions & I CBA to rewrite a whole load of stuff just to accomplish one little thing |
| [21:49:09] | sphery: | borga2: There weren't two copies of: RecordFilePrefix /vault/recordings myth-back |
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| [21:49:19] | Dagmar: | sphery: I wasn't aware it _could_ create the mythconverg table on it's own |
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| [21:49:23] | toresbe: | gbee: You're very likely not to consider it a pressing issue because you're extremely familiar with the mythtv system, and you are an active developer (kudos for that). |
| [21:49:43] | NightMonkey: | toresbe: I've only run setup 4–5 times since Auguest 2004. |
| [21:49:53] | sphery: | Dagmar: mythconverg is DB. the tables in mythconverg (i.e. the schema) is created by mythtv-setup or mythbackend. mc.sql simply creates the DB. |
| [21:50:33] | Dagmar: | sphery: So you're telling me that mc.sql is obsolete? |
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| [21:51:07] | sphery: | Dagmar: no, mc.sql is still necessary--mythbackend/mythtv-setup don't create the DB because that often needs to be done by root |
| [21:51:13] | |Torg|: | mc.sql dost create schema, it just created the db itself |
| [21:51:15] | NightMonkey: | toresbe: As a user, I'd rather they work on other issues. As long as setup barely works (but works), that's fine for me. |
| [21:51:27] | sphery: | Dagmar: Also, mc.sql sets encoding, grants privs to mythtv user, ... |
| [21:51:29] | gbee: | toresbe: I'm actively working on changes which are intended to make setup easier, but it's the tip of a large iceberg and we really rely on people taking the time to work on the problems and submit patches |
| [21:51:31] | hnitsuj: | the great immutable 'for the users vs for themselves' debate.. it'll never end |
| [21:51:35] | sphery: | Dagmar: but it does /not/ create a schema |
| [21:51:56] | Dagmar: | sphery: Yeah, basically I'm going on the assumption that if the mythtv mysql user doesn't exist, then neither is anything else that's needed |
| [21:52:05] | Dagmar: | Hence, the pinging as root |
| [21:52:12] | sphery: | hnitsuj: Now that I've learned something about my native language, I'll agree, gbee is both a prolific and prodigious dev |
| [21:52:20] | gbee: | anyway, I've wasted enough time here, I'll get back to what I was working on |
| [21:52:36] | |Torg|: | Dagmar: considet that all the myth informatin is in mysql but the reverse is not true |
| [21:52:39] | sphery: | Dagmar: Yeah. I just chose to fail in that event... |
| [21:52:45] | gbee: | sphery: stop it! I'm nothing of the sort :) |
| [21:52:59] | Dagmar: | sphery: Well, see I basically wanted as many things to auto-vivify on the first install as could be possible |
| [21:53:18] | purserj: | hello? Is there any reason that anyone knows of that mythfrontend/mythtv-setup couldn't connect to the db but mythbackend and mysql command line could? |
| [21:53:21] | |Torg|: | Dagmar: and also consider that one may take the road of secruity thought obscurity and run permissions on mythconverg other then as use mythtv |
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| [21:53:25] | hnitsuj: | and when I'm done being totally effing frazzled to bits by the bastardness of the last 14 days.. I might pick up my coding pencil again... and at one point later in the year even the hallowed crayons |
| [21:53:34] | gbee: | /msg Sphery Your cheque is in the mail, keep it up! |
| [21:53:36] | gbee: | :p |
| [21:53:37] | sphery: | purserj: starting as different users |
| [21:53:43] | sphery: | lol |
| [21:53:47] | Dagmar: | Torq: I had a reason why i wasn't trying to base something on being rejected by mysql vs it being down, and I think it had to do with the numeric exit code being limited in what it can tell you, but I'm sure I'll wind up revisiting this again at some point |
| [21:54:12] | Dagmar: | I know I definittely drew a big shaded box to remind myself that having the mysql root password in plaintext on every frontend was a _bad_ outcome |
| [21:54:15] | hnitsuj: | gbee: if you ever see a theme from 'anon'... ;) |
| [21:54:20] | |Torg|: | 'Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 113' < no mysql server at that host |
| [21:54:42] | Dagmar: | Torg: Yes, but what's the exit status |
| [21:54:52] | gbee: | hnitsuj: I'll be looking out for it ;) You'll soon have mythui to play with :) |
| [21:54:54] | |Torg|: | error: 'Access denied for user 'someone'@'host' (using password: NO)' <- mysql is up, I just dint give it proper credentials |
| [21:55:11] | |Torg|: | there is no way however to even see what databases are there without permissions to do so |
| [21:55:11] | Dagmar: | Torg: Again, the exit status code is about the only thing one can easily parse from a shell script |
| [21:55:22] | hnitsuj: | I'll go looking for an email equivalent of a PO box then |
| [21:55:28] | Dagmar: | Everything else seems to be subject to whatever mad locale the system might be on |
| [21:55:36] | sphery: | Dagmar: I think the mysql team uses exit stats 2 for everything... ;( |
| [21:55:50] | Dagmar: | ...so parsing what amounts to freetext coming from something leads to pain and despair. |
| [21:56:20] | Dagmar: | sphery: At least they don't load us up with a giant list of response codes |
| [21:56:41] | |Torg|: | Dagmar: and areal ugly hack would be to physically see if the MYI and MYD files physycally exists, presuming you either can ssh/rsh to the box or the db is local |
| [21:56:53] | sphery: | borga2: I'm pretty sure that the problem preventing your DB upgrade is having multiple duplicate RecordFilePrefix values for a given host (though your pastebin didn't show it). You can always just do: DELETE FROM settings WHERE value = 'RecordFilePrefix'; |
| [21:56:54] | Dagmar: | Oh THAT I'm going as a precursor to starting the MySQL server |
| [21:56:55] | Dagmar: | Hehe |
| [21:56:59] | sphery: | borga2: To get the upgrade done. |
| [21:57:22] | Dagmar: | If the MYI files for the mysql database don't exist, it calls mysql_installdb |
| [21:57:27] | sphery: | borga2: Just make sure you use mythtv-setup to do the upgrade, then make sure you immediately configure a default storage group |
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| [21:57:49] | |Torg|: | but just becae you cant talk to mysql does not mean necessarilyu it is down. It could just mean your wife unplugged that switch in the living room so she could vacuum :) |
| [21:57:59] | sphery: | borga2: Or, if you can provide confirmation that you have duplicate entries, I'll give you the exact SQL you need to remove the dups... |
| [21:58:06] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but in that instance it odesn't really matter if it's down or not. You ain't reachin' it |
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| [21:59:17] | PatrickDK: | why do we care if mysql is up or down? shouldn't it just always be up? |
| [21:59:26] | PatrickDK: | or are you attempting to let the backend go to sleep |
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| [21:59:47] | Dagmar: | Patrick: We care because occasionally "accidents happen" and better to have code be aware that something is wrong and *maybe* try and fix it than just blindly plod onwards |
| [22:00:10] | |Torg|: | select something, count(something) from table group by something having ( count(someting) >1 ) |
| [22:00:23] | Dagmar: | This is actually a fairly interesting problem-set to solve since there's so many (@#$@$!!) things that can go worng |
| [22:00:31] | sphery: | borga2: Confirmation would entail pastebin'ing the exact output of: echo "SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value = 'RecordFilePrefix';" | mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg |
| [22:00:44] | PatrickDK: | dunno, I don't have things go wrong with my mysql |
| [22:00:59] | PatrickDK: | and I have 20+ of them in commercial production use |
| [22:01:01] | Dagmar: | PatrickDK: Spontaneously power off your machine a few times |
| [22:01:13] | PatrickDK: | dagmar, I have many times lately :) |
| [22:01:15] | |Torg|: | mysql crashed becase the log got too full? mysql crashed becase it ran out of db space? |
| [22:01:25] | PatrickDK: | it reboots, does a myisamchk and all is good again |
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| [22:01:27] | AndyCap: | <flamebait>in my not so humble opinion having frontends talking mysql is flawed from the start</flamebait> |
| [22:01:34] | Dagmar: | Regardless of what _sane_ unix admin types think, joe users tend to treat things like a VCR where the worst that can happen is you have to set the clock |
| [22:01:48] | sphery: | AndyCap: the devs agree and there is effort underway to change that... |
| [22:01:50] | Dagmar: | PatrickDK: Oh but there's PLENTY of failure states where that just won't work |
| [22:01:55] | sphery: | AndyCap: but, it takes time... |
| [22:02:03] | hnitsuj: | AndyCap: not seen that one for ages! |
| [22:02:25] | |Torg|: | AndyCap: I tend to agree, settings are pretty much static. Something xml is would be better suited for. |
| [22:02:29] | Dagmar: | Let's say you REALLY piss the machine off again by powering down while the thing is rolling back the journal or doing an fsck repair... |
| [22:02:30] | AndyCap: | hnitsuj: hmm, you must have been out when I brought it up the last time |
| [22:02:44] | Dagmar: | You will wind up with numerous tables just tossed over into lost+found |
| [22:03:07] | PatrickDK: | that sounds like an fs issue |
| [22:03:07] | Dagmar: | myisamchk isn't going to do anything but either think things are okay when they're not, or tell you "You're boned, chum" |
| [22:03:07] | hnitsuj: | sphery: time, and something that can be used over upnp for doing scheduling perhaps ;) |
| [22:03:13] | |Torg|: | and you want to see a DBA get livid, ask him about "in flight" transactions |
| [22:03:23] | Dagmar: | ...so... hourly backups of the DB get made here. |
| [22:03:24] | PatrickDK: | but then, I don't run mysql on linux so I wouldn't know |
| [22:03:32] | AndyCap: | hnitsuj: ah, reminds me, I was going to look at the upnp control point stuff |
| [22:03:41] | Dagmar: | patrick: I can pretty much promise you that far worse can happen with NTFS |
| [22:03:47] | |Torg|: | PatrickDK: what do you run it on? |
| [22:03:55] | PatrickDK: | heh? why would you run it on ntfs? |
| [22:04:01] | PatrickDK: | currently, freebsd |
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| [22:04:06] | Dagmar: | Unclean filesystem mounts can basically swiss cheese things |
| [22:04:09] | |Torg|: | Nice Try File Sytem, your kidding, right? |
| [22:04:12] | sphery: | hnitsuj: mythdata app... which will use an embedded MySQL database and do all the SQL for mythbackend, mythfrontend, MythWeb, et. al. |
| [22:04:25] | sphery: | hnitsuj: But I'll admit that's far into the future... |
| [22:04:31] | hnitsuj: | sphery: way far :) |
| [22:04:44] | hnitsuj: | the BFSQ needs to be tamed first! |
| [22:05:01] | hnitsuj: | and then some |
| [22:05:07] | Dagmar: | MySQL mostly tries to go for atomic writes it seems, but there's still plenty of opportunities for only half of a given commit to get written if your timing is unlucky |
| [22:05:35] | sphery: | in theory the BFSQ is fine on an embedded MySQL... (Though lack of QT3 support for embedded MySQL makes it hard to prove...) |
| [22:05:35] | PatrickDK: | that depends on your my.cnf config |
| [22:05:44] | hnitsuj: | Dagmar: I've only ever seen mysql poop itself royally once & even then it was my fault entirely for letting the partition get full. Whoops! |
| [22:05:46] | PatrickDK: | if you tell it to go faster and don't care about damages |
| [22:05:55] | Frosty-: | eit is missing data for most the channels :() |
| [22:05:57] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: Yeah, there's another failure state |
| [22:06:12] | iamlindoro__: | top |
| [22:06:14] | hnitsuj: | Frosty-: can take time for it to fill up. be patient |
| [22:06:16] | Dagmar: | PAtrick: I would rather the machine not start bleeding to death, thanks |
| [22:06:23] | gbee: | one step at a time :) qt4, mythui and maybe conversion of queries to optimised mysql syntax for 0.22, embedded mysql maybe 0.23 or 0.24 |
| [22:06:32] | iamlindoro__: | oh damnit, sorry all |
| [22:06:44] | Telebrett: | hey, is there any reason why I can record a channel using tzap directly, but it cannot get a lock in mythtv? |
| [22:06:52] | hnitsuj: | iamlindoro__: didn't think this was that sort of channel, but then your nick would have to be in allcaps :P |
| [22:06:56] | Dagmar: | Patrick: I probably powered the machine off 30–40 times looking to cause new and interesting problems, because I just KNOW at some point someone using my binaries is going to email me begging for help |
| [22:06:56] | PatrickDK: | I hope embedded mysql won't be required |
| [22:07:10] | gbee: | PatrickDK: why not? |
| [22:07:12] | |Torg|: | PatrickDK: what untill that disk starts going bad, databases like anyting else seldom fail in an expected way |
| [22:07:12] | Dagmar: | Better I be able to tell them "restore your backup, there is no hope" than even attempt to get some noob to do a complicated repair |
| [22:07:37] | PatrickDK: | why would I want it to use it's own mysql, when I already have a highly failure proof mysql running? |
| [22:07:45] | PatrickDK: | and already have backups being made |
| [22:07:47] | hnitsuj: | gbee: coz MOAR xml flat files is.. umm... slower & easy to hack on, and slower :P |
| [22:08:01] | Dagmar: | Move somewhere with a lot of electrical storms and don't use a UPS |
| [22:08:05] | Dagmar: | That'll learn ya'. ;) |
| [22:08:18] | hnitsuj: | let's not forget that even mediaportal have gone over to using a database now :D |
| [22:08:23] | hnitsuj: | yeah _even_ them |
| [22:08:26] | PatrickDK: | dagmar, heh, I have had the power blink once in the last 2 years |
| [22:08:29] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: That's only logical |
| [22:08:34] | PatrickDK: | and I have 8 1500watt ups in my house |
| [22:08:40] | Dagmar: | Patrick: I live in Middle Tennessee. |
| [22:08:58] | |Torg|: | Dagmar: travel for business and find your Texas house was over 90 degess for three days while your were gone becae your low pressuure switch on your AC blew |
| [22:09:02] | Dagmar: | We *regularly* have rain and thunderstorms here that will all but convince an agnostic that "GOD IS VERY ANGRY" |
| [22:09:12] | |Torg|: | see how much mysql disks like to be overheated |
| [22:09:24] | Dagmar: | 10,000 lightning strike storms are *common* during spring and early summer |
| [22:09:50] | gbee: | PatrickDK: I guess we'll probably maintain the option to use an external DBMS (mysql), likely though that it will be a hidden option (too many settings make toresbe cry) :) |
| [22:10:06] | PatrickDK: | heh that is fine with me :) |
| [22:10:42] | |Torg|: | I would cry foul, I run it on a seperate box becase I use mysql for things other then just mythtv. |
| [22:10:45] | Dagmar: | On the good side of that when I moved to San Francisco for a little while and they started having those rolling blackouts, all my friends who thought I was paranoid because I was up to my ears in surge suppressors, UPSs, and filters found that I was almost entirely unaffected by the rolling blackouts |
| [22:11:16] | PatrickDK: | ya, I had ca's rolling blackouts every summer |
| [22:11:20] | PatrickDK: | why I would never live there |
| [22:11:25] | Dagmar: | I was like "The power goes off at a given time and then comes back on later without going down again in a few mintues or wobbling high and low for awhile? easy peasy..." |
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| [22:12:07] | Dagmar: | UPSes that *wait* until they're fully charged again before powering on the system are also extra pricey |
| [22:12:07] | PatrickDK: | at work they wanted the servers to be able to handle 8hours of power loss, with no backup generator |
| [22:12:10] | PatrickDK: | that was fun |
| [22:12:23] | Dagmar: | Holy shit that's expensive |
| [22:12:30] | |Torg|: | batteries from hell |
| [22:12:32] | gbee: | |Torg|: but I assume you do that only because you have a mysql server running and it makes no sense to waste it, but once the database is embedded you need never know it's there – I doubt you complain that other common applications use an embedded db because you probably don't even know that they do |
| [22:12:44] | Dagmar: | You *did* present that to them as a permanent fixed premium on the equipment costs, right? |
| [22:12:46] | PatrickDK: | well, at that pricing, I just went double-conversion (true-online) ups |
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| [22:13:04] | Dagmar: | A generator becomes a LOT easier to spend money on |
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| [22:13:13] | PatrickDK: | well, that isn't the bad part, the expensive part is the 3 year replacement batteries |
| [22:13:17] | Dagmar: | Those you only have to test every so often... |
| [22:13:18] | |Torg|: | actualy gbee some of my major comains for SRM software is they use imbedded dataases that slow the discovery of nodes down dramticly |
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| [22:13:27] | Dagmar: | Yeah, the replacement batteries are the exact fixed cost I was thinking of |
| [22:13:31] | gbee: | the idea behind embedding is that it effectively hides the database from users, saving them the hassle of setup and maintenance etc |
| [22:13:39] | PatrickDK: | dagmar, well, the generator they wanted to size to run the whole company |
| [22:13:54] | PatrickDK: | the ups for just the servers was cheap compared |
| [22:13:58] | |Torg|: | gbee: the only real agurmant I can see for imbedding the database is to elimate layer 8 issues |
| [22:14:02] | Dagmar: | Hmm... sounds like they weren't giving you a rational option set there |
| [22:14:18] | Dagmar: | When we bring generators in, they power the datacenter and the NOC and that's *it* |
| [22:14:22] | PatrickDK: | well, I don't care what options they give me, as long as it's doable, and they are paying |
| [22:14:25] | Dagmar: | The cube workers had better have their laptops charged |
| [22:15:02] | PatrickDK: | they already have 2000lb of propane onsite |
| [22:15:20] | PatrickDK: | so adding a generator backed by them isn't going be a huge deal, except for the size they want |
| [22:15:42] | gbee: | |Torg|: that's really the only argument we are putting forward, we're sick of users complaining :) |
| [22:15:56] | Dagmar: | I don't quite see a crapton of batteries, versus a MUCH larger generator to really be all that balanced a set of alternatives. |
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| [22:16:26] | PatrickDK: | batteries wasn't that bad though |
| [22:16:38] | PatrickDK: | I think it cost about $5k |
| [22:16:49] | Dagmar: | Ah... that's the scale you're working at then |
| [22:16:58] | PatrickDK: | it wasn't racks of servers |
| [22:17:00] | PatrickDK: | just half a rack |
| [22:17:09] | Dagmar: | We've got multiple UPSes the size and weight of minivans |
| [22:17:17] | PatrickDK: | yep |
| [22:17:36] | |Torg|: | and iliminating the external databse would limit what we can do with mythtv. like adding channels by hand when scanning fails, Removing duplicate entries. Getting rif od recorded programs that no longer exist do to hardware failure |
| [22:18:07] | Dagmar: | I don't see that those things would be impossible |
| [22:18:14] | Dagmar: | You just wouldn't be able to do them using mysqlclient |
| [22:18:29] | toresbe_: | gbee: I don't intend to dismiss the efforts that you and the rest of the team put into mythtv. But I think that there may be too little influence from people who are skilled at doing user interfaces. |
| [22:18:29] | |Torg|: | no imposible, jsut more difficult. I can use mysql cli or phpmyadmin now |
| [22:18:41] | toresbe_: | anyway, I'm off :) |
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| [22:19:21] | gbee: | |Torg|: those cases are all bugs, report them and they should eventually get fixed – if anything, allowing users direct access to the database encourages users to do things they shouldn't or which should have instead been reported as problems |
| [22:20:04] | |Torg|: | the last one is hardly a bug, its cleanup after hardware failure |
| [22:20:05] | gbee: | yes, I'll agree it's nice if you don't have to wait for bugs to be fixed |
| [22:20:42] | Dagmar: | Torg: Now you see why I was so brutally abusive of the database *trying* to find failure conditions that what I'd worked out didn't handle |
| [22:20:47] | gbee: | |Torg|: that sort of cleanup and maintenance will be automatic, sphery is already working on those sorts of issues |
| [22:21:01] | |Torg|: | and failure to scan is not always a bug, it can be failure to adhear to proper dvb by a provider who is less then inclinded have you connect a DVR they didt sell you to their service |
| [22:21:27] | Frosty-: | I have a bug. MythWeb is addictive. I refresh the recorded programs listing every 10 seconds and shout in joy when a new item appears |
| [22:21:40] | AndyCap: | I take it you're using eit. |
| [22:21:46] | xris: | heh |
| [22:21:59] | |Torg|: | I have a bug, 45 channels and only about 4 are usefull |
| [22:22:13] | gbee: | |Torg|: but inserting records by hand directly into the database isn't the solution we'd advocate, either workarounds need to be added for that provider or some other mechanism used (channels.conf import and the like) |
| [22:22:22] | |Torg|: | I want myth to automagicly make content for me, can we add that feature :) |
| [22:22:30] | AndyCap: | mythtv won't let me install a satellite dish on the side of my apartement |
| [22:22:47] | Frosty-: | Torg, play music and watch the visualization |
| [22:23:23] | Dagmar: | AndyCap: Yes, but it doesn't turn you into the neighborhood gestapo if you do so |
| [22:23:28] | |Torg|: | gbee in the one exception where i created a channel table for another user I generally dont go inserting records. I have at times looked for duplicates, elimited records for old fes I no longer use and cleand out the recordings when I lost an array due to heat |
| [22:23:29] | AndyCap: | Ohh, the MythDevRandom plugin. or DevMarkovChain |
| [22:23:31] | Dagmar: | s/into/in to/; |
| [22:23:43] | AndyCap: | :P |
| [22:23:58] | Dagmar: | Someone should resurrect libsynaesthesia |
| [22:24:08] | Dagmar: | That one was fun |
| [22:24:10] | sphery: | Frosty-: You can also run contrib/misc_status_info/myth_recent_recordings.pl --plain_text |
| [22:24:31] | Frosty-: | I like hosting the database somewhere else |
| [22:24:46] | sphery: | Frosty-: See contrib/misc_status_info/README (and note that there's a myth_upcoming_recordings.pl that can be used to, i.e. e-mail you a list of all conflicts...) |
| [22:24:54] | Dagmar: | http://www.logarithmic.net/pfh/synaesthesia |
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| [22:25:03] | Th3On3: | hello |
| [22:25:05] | Th3On3: | i have a problem |
| [22:25:06] | Frosty-: | sphery: omg! |
| [22:25:09] | Th3On3: | i am using mplayer to see xvid movies on mythtv |
| [22:25:13] | Th3On3: | but when i hit 'esc' key it exits mplayer and mythtv ?!?!?!? |
| [22:25:26] | Th3On3: | i am using mythubuntu |
| [22:25:34] | Dagmar: | Th3On3: So tell it to use the Internal player instead of mplayer |
| [22:25:43] | Dagmar: | The Internal player has no problems with xvid |
| [22:25:58] | |Torg|: | Dagmar: I thought you meant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia |
| [22:25:59] | Dagmar: | Otherwise, what you have is a MythBuntu problem |
| [22:26:09] | Th3On3: | what is the internal player ? |
| [22:26:25] | Th3On3: | mythvideo ? |
| [22:26:27] | Dagmar: | Torg: Well, the idea behind the visualiser was basically artificial synesthesia |
| [22:26:39] | Dagmar: | Th3On3: it's just called "Internal" |
| [22:26:51] | Dagmar: | Put that word in where it's got the arcane mplayer invocation |
| [22:27:24] | Telebrett: | is anyone here running mythtv on an ubuntu gutsy install? |
| [22:27:25] | Frosty-: | can the internal player handle x264? |
| [22:27:36] | Dagmar: | Probably |
| [22:27:36] | Frosty-: | h264* |
| [22:27:36] | gbee: | Internal player has no reported problems with any formats in 0.21 (unless you count that nasty last minute DVD bug :( ) |
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| [22:27:49] | Dagmar: | It handles a ludicrous number of thigns |
| [22:27:52] | |Torg|: | Frosty-: depdns on the bitrate and speed of the CPU, mostly yes |
| [22:27:54] | gbee: | Frosty-: yes and with multi-threaded decoding too |
| [22:28:02] | Dagmar: | I just found out almost by accident that FLV support had sneaked in there somehow |
| [22:28:04] | gbee: | in 0.21 |
| [22:28:14] | Th3On3: | ok "Internal" |
| [22:28:24] | Th3On3: | it plays dvd's too ? |
| [22:28:25] | Frosty-: | is multi-threaded enabled by default or do I need to setup a commandline paramenter to libav like with mplayer |
| [22:28:25] | ServerSage: | So, I upgraded to .21, and every time a recording starts I get "TVRec(7) Error: Need MPEG recorder, but compiled without MPEG support!". Any ideas? Google searches didn't turn up much. |
| [22:28:27] | gbee: | yes, with capital I |
| [22:28:43] | gbee: | Th3On3: yes, complete with menus, subtitles etc |
| [22:28:52] | Th3On3: | kool... thkx |
| [22:29:17] | Dagmar: | ServerSage: Have you tried asking the person that made your binaries? |
| [22:29:23] | gbee: | plays anything and is fully integrated with Mythtv, so it uses the same OSD, keys and settings as TV/Recordings does |
| [22:29:34] | ServerSage: | Dagmar: Gentoo, suppose I could ask the ebuild person. |
| [22:29:56] | Dagmar: | ServerSage: That would be a good idea. That and checking the logs of what it was doing during the configure stage of the build |
| [22:30:03] | gbee: | Th3On3: best support is in 0.21, I dunno if mythbuntu is offering 0.21 yet? |
| [22:30:05] | Telebrett: | is there any plan to be able to "mark" where you are upto viewing a dvd using the internal player? |
| [22:30:10] | Dagmar: | It was probably saying something significant there that's now squirreled away in a log directory (hopefully) |
| [22:30:15] | gbee: | Telebrett: already in 0.21 |
| [22:30:19] | iamlindoro__: | Telebrett: you already can, press Enter. |
| [22:30:39] | Telebrett: | ahh |
| [22:30:40] | ServerSage: | Dagmar: Am I looking for anything in particular? Do you have any idea to what this relates? itvtv support or something? |
| [22:30:41] | gbee: | it's optional though, has to be enabled in the mythvideo settings |
| [22:30:45] | Telebrett: | I missed the release |
| [22:31:08] | Dagmar: | ServerSage: It'll be complaining during one of the configure checks. Basically, if you see it, you'll probably know that you're looking at it |
| [22:31:19] | ServerSage: | Dagmar: Awesome, thanks a ton. |
| [22:31:46] | Dagmar: | I *keep* the logs of every build mainly for that reason... going back later to figure out what I might have not noticed as it was scrolling madle |
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| [22:31:50] | Dagmar: | s/madle/madly/ |
| [22:31:53] | Telebrett: | bugger, just saw "storage groups" and I just setup LVM! |
| [22:32:20] | Dagmar: | Storage groups can't quietly migrate your stuff off a failing disk. |
| [22:32:37] | Dagmar: | Figuring out how to setup LVM is never wasted effort |
| [22:33:01] | AndyCap: | well, if md + LVM could reshape an array if a disk died it would really be something |
| [22:33:04] | sphery: | Telebrett: but having multiple distinct filesystems with Storage Groups is a /very/ good thing |
| [22:33:07] | AndyCap: | do dm I guess |
| [22:33:12] | sphery: | Telebrett: (So, set up LVM's for each ;) |
| [22:33:19] | Telebrett: | meh, I have many other problems to fix first |
| [22:33:43] | Dagmar: | AndyCap: Any time you like you can add a new disk to LVM, expand the volume to it, and then tell LVM one of the others is bad and it'll get to work moving stuff off that disk |
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| [22:34:41] | Telebrett: | for instance, I use the channel scanner, give it a channels.conf file with specific transports, and it adds the channels using other transports |
| [22:34:50] | gbee: | which sounds like just as much work as cp -R /disk1/* /disk2/ |
| [22:35:12] | gbee: | well more really |
| [22:35:19] | gbee: | ;) |
| [22:35:26] | Dagmar: | gbee: Let's say that disk2 doesn't have the necessary free space |
| [22:35:39] | Dagmar: | ...but disk3 and disk2 *together* do |
| [22:35:55] | Frosty-: | hmm,. Internal supports mkv subs? |
| [22:37:15] | gbee: | Frosty-: try it and see, it supports external subtitle files and internal subtitles for DVDs/DVB, Closed Captioning and Teletext subtitles, if mkv subs are none of the above, maybe not but I really don't know |
| [22:37:51] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: well. I was thinking more that my 5 disk half full raid 5 loses a drive and md or lvm goes to work moving the data to a 4 disk raid 5 and I don't have to do anything, except replace the dead drive and it will grow back into a 5 disk raid 5 volume. |
| [22:37:51] | Frosty-: | ok, well it didn't, I can't find much documentation on it, I was must messing :) I am happy using mplayer for the time being :) |
| [22:38:28] | gbee: | Dagmar: fair point, but how often is a new drive small than the old one? Would be very easy to add that functionality to storage groups though |
| [22:38:59] | iamlindoro__: | I'm fairly certain mplayer supports them via libmatroska, but ffmpeg added all the fancy bits recently so maybe we'll pick it up next ffmpeg sync |
| [22:39:19] | Dagmar: | gbee: LVM doesn't insist on a whole file being on a given physical disk |
| [22:40:10] | Dagmar: | Basically, there's a large degree to which it appears correct to just treat LVM arrays like just a big bucket you can put more "empty" into at will and not worry about the details about what's on which piece of hardware |
| [22:40:38] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: except when one goes missing. |
| [22:40:39] | Dagmar: | gbee: LVM lets you span just "whatever disks you have around" |
| [22:41:01] | Frosty-: | isn't lvm just partitions? |
| [22:41:03] | Dagmar: | Andycap: So use redundant parity drives. ;) |
| [22:41:08] | gbee: | Dagmar: yeah, but that's where it gets pedantic if there isn't space on any drive for a file then you can just autoexpire stuff to make room :) |
| [22:41:17] | Frosty-: | ie. you can span raid0 on a partition, even though its stupid |
| [22:41:23] | Frosty-: | I mean on a single drive |
| [22:41:26] | sphery: | Dagmar: when my disks have been going bad, it was important to first move all the data in good sectors, then go back to the bad sectors to attempt the move, because they always failed completely before being able to handle moving data from bad sectors (so I like to move it myself if the disk is bad) |
| [22:42:21] | gbee: | Dagmar: I know how LVM works, I'm just arguing that it's not really worth the hassle now that storage groups are available – sure people will still chose to use LVM, but your average user doesn't need it |
| [22:42:51] | sphery: | I don't use it for exactly that reason--it wasn't worth the hassle since I don't /need/ it now |
| [22:42:58] | Dagmar: | Having STILL not finished sifting through a 1.5Tb array where I simply *lost the database that knew which files were what* I'm not so sure that this is all that useful. heh |
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| [22:43:21] | Dagmar: | gbee: Give it time for iSCSI to stop being terrifying |
| [22:43:42] | Dagmar: | ...when you'll probably have small disks or thumbdirves to boot from, and then have every disk in the house spanned together |
| [22:43:44] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: another case for metadata in the files. :) |
| [22:44:20] | sphery: | AndyCap: were you the one talking about MPEG-7 the other day? Have you got that patch done? ;) |
| [22:44:28] | Dagmar: | Frosty: Yes, but with LVM you don't have to give a damn about the partitions being of contiguous space |
| [22:44:48] | Dagmar: | You can, provided you've actually got the space free, arbitrarily chop 10Gb off one partition and then add it to anotehr |
| [22:44:57] | AndyCap: | sphery: nope. I haven't. I have been looking for tools for writing mpeg-7 though. |
| [22:45:08] | AndyCap: | sphery: but there's an easter coming up. |
| [22:45:41] | Dagmar: | As to *when* disks are failing, I don't screw around |
| [22:45:47] | iamlindoro__: | MPEG-4 + MPEG-7 = MPEG-47 = The Motion Picture Experts Group cannot do math. |
| [22:45:58] | Dagmar: | When SMART tells me the disk starts having to remap sectors, I replace the thing THEN before it's out of it's own stash of remappable sectors |
| [22:45:59] | sphery: | AndyCap: cool... |
| [22:46:13] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: hmm, what do you use for chopping off a filesystem? |
| [22:46:48] | Dagmar: | AndyCap: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_(Linux) |
| [22:47:39] | Dagmar: | Granted, if you're using JFS (or XFS, can't remember) or some other filesystem that can't be shrunk, you're basically screwed for that, but for filesystems that *can* be resized, it's no problem at all |
| [22:47:39] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: no. LVM cant chop the ext3 blob that lives in a logical volume. And having to calculate the sizes manually gives me the willies. |
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| [22:47:57] | Dagmar: | Of course it can't. That's ext3's job |
| [22:48:16] | Dagmar: | LVM shims in between the actual disks and the filesystem layer |
| [22:48:27] | AndyCap: | extending is a cakewalk, shrinking is a dodgy proposition in my book. I guess I need a sacrificial filesystem or five |
| [22:48:49] | Dagmar: | Shrinking... *snicker* |
| [22:48:52] | AndyCap: | to check if both resize2fs and lvextend agree on the number of bytes in 10G etc. |
| [22:48:57] | Dagmar: | LIke we ever have a need for LESS disk space anyway |
| [22:49:15] | gnome42: | LVM has pvmove as well |
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| [22:49:27] | AndyCap: | ob. xkcd reference http://xkcd.com/394/ |
| [22:49:40] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [22:49:46] | henkie: | my database wont upgrade, will deleting it help? (and reinserting the prev. data) |
| [22:49:49] | Dagmar: | I saw that this morning. Printed it. Laminated it. Stuck it on the wall. |
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| [22:50:09] | Dagmar: | ...right next to teh PSA about rabid bears eating children on the Internet |
| [22:50:19] | AndyCap: | the what now? |
| [22:50:29] | Dagmar: | The PSA about rabid bears eating children on the Internet |
| [22:51:22] | henkie: | yeah shrinking lvm sucks |
| [22:51:39] | Dagmar: | Jenny made friends online, blah blah blah. Jenny talked for hours about things, shared secrets, etc etc. Then Jenny decided to meet her online friend, who turned out not to be a 14 year old girl, but a 1,400 pound grizzly bear who ate Jenny. |
| [22:51:42] | henkie: | evms has some nice tools, but i get confused from it (in combo with lvm) |
| [22:51:45] | Dagmar: | ...and you didnt' even know bears could read |
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| [22:52:05] | AndyCap: | so now it's on the internet nobody knows you're a bear? |
| [22:54:08] | Dagmar: | AHA |
| [22:54:10] | Dagmar: | here we go |
| [22:54:16] | Dagmar: | I have a directory which I just dump this kinda crap in |
| [22:54:25] | Dagmar: | I got lucky this time and the file *actually* had the word "bear" in the title |
| [22:54:26] | Dagmar: | http://10.3.1.1/~dagmar/bearsyo6.jpg |
| [22:54:30] | Dagmar: | Hah that's useful. |
| [22:54:38] | Dagmar: | http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/bearsyo6.jpg |
| [22:54:42] | Dagmar: | There we go. |
| [22:54:53] | Dagmar: | It's a wonderful thing. |
| [22:54:56] | AndyCap: | Haha. :) |
| [22:55:15] | henkie: | there, updated DB from schema 0 to 1214! |
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| [22:57:14] | Dagmar: | Another great one for working at an .edu: http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/poster03.jpg |
| [22:57:20] | Dagmar: | I <3 phony PSAs |
| [22:59:00] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: Do you own a gun, a Bible, or a hollowed out Bible with a gun in it? |
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| [22:59:15] | mchou: | lol |
| [22:59:26] | mchou: | tjcarter: touche! |
| [22:59:50] | tjcarter: | mchou: Stolen from Colbert |
| [23:00:09] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: Actually, I don't think I have a Bible anywhere in this house anymore |
| [23:00:24] | ServerSage: | Dagmar: So in the future you may help others, I simply added the ivtv use flag for mythtv, and it worked after the recompile. |
| [23:00:35] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: guns though? |
| [23:00:36] | Dagmar: | If I'm going to die from smoke inhalation from having spurious slices of dead trees around, they're _not_ going to be covered in religious mythos. |
| [23:00:42] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: No, I have a sword. |
| [23:00:55] | Dagmar: | Swords don't "accidentally go off" and put holes in the neighbors. |
| [23:01:03] | tjcarter: | Gunsword |
| [23:01:07] | henkie: | ok, that kinda failed |
| [23:01:13] | Dagmar: | Plus, no one ever says "You're not really going to shoot me" when you have a sword. |
| [23:01:13] | tjcarter: | Dagmar's gotta Gunsword! |
| [23:01:13] | ServerSage: | Dagmar: Guns don't "accidentally go off". People are "Accidentally stupid". |
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| [23:01:23] | mchou: | fucking ahole is smoking next to me |
| [23:01:23] | AndyCap: | swordgun, mightier than the pengun. |
| [23:01:25] | henkie: | can i rebuild the seektables in 0.21? with files created in 0.20? |
| [23:01:34] | Dagmar: | People f**king _listen_ when you're waving a katana around. :) |
| [23:01:41] | mchou: | I'm going to give him a piece of my mind |
| [23:01:48] | ServerSage: | Dagmar: I'm pretty sure people listen when you start waving a gun around. lol |
| [23:01:50] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: depends on whether they can use it better than I can. |
| [23:02:02] | ServerSage: | Dagmar: Though, a Katana would look a lot cooler. :) |
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| [23:02:05] | Nikas: | henkie: Sure.. use mythcommflag |
| [23:02:06] | AndyCap: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6bbXgUNOws |
| [23:02:14] | mchou: | heh. I'm reminded of a scene from indiana jones |
| [23:02:16] | tjcarter: | Because if they can't, I'm going to take it away from them. |
| [23:02:30] | Dagmar: | ServerSage: The only problem is that the "aftermath" is a bit stickier to explain to the authoritiees |
| [23:02:47] | Nikas: | henkie: mythcommflag --rebuild |
| [23:02:49] | Dagmar: | I've had multiple cops tell me that if they have to come to the scene of an attempted burglary and subsequent _beheading_ that there WILL be hard questions asked. |
| [23:02:49] | Dagmar: | ;) |
| [23:03:07] | Dagmar: | I'll worry about that when it happens. |
| [23:03:15] | ServerSage: | Dagmar: Oh there is truth in what you say. "How did this man loose his head?" "I don't know sir, the katana just went off.." |
| [23:03:18] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: well, you were just seconding the failed burglar right? |
| [23:03:20] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: hands chopped off are okay? |
| [23:03:22] | Dagmar: | Yeah, exactly. |
| [23:03:31] | henkie: | tnx |
| [23:03:34] | Dagmar: | I'm going to stand by the answer "If you're shooting you're supposed to be shooting to kill, right?" |
| [23:03:47] | henkie: | i will upgrade when having more time i think :) |
| [23:04:09] | Nikas: | :) |
| [23:04:09] | Dagmar: | My other options (like, "burglar-kebob") aren't exactly humane |
| [23:04:52] | Dagmar: | I've had to use the sword all of once. |
| [23:05:02] | Dagmar: | All I had to say was "RUN!" and they listened. |
| [23:05:16] | Dagmar: | No blood on my floor, no holes in my wall. |
| [23:05:18] | Nikas: | Is channel change in LiveTV suppose to take like 10s? |
| [23:05:39] | Dagmar: | Nikas: It's not exactly _fast_ for encoding buffers to fill and trickle over to the display |
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| [23:05:48] | Dagmar: | 10s is a bit high, but 2–5s isn't unheard of |
| [23:05:59] | ServerSage: | Dagmar: I'm not too keen on putting holes in my walls, hence I use bean bags in a shotty. But the blood on the floor is kind of like a badge of honor. |
| [23:06:03] | AndyCap: | Nikas: are you using wireles? |
| [23:06:14] | Dagmar: | ServerSage: But you lose your deposit for sure |
| [23:06:22] | ServerSage: | Dagmar: If you rent I suppose. |
| [23:06:32] | Nikas: | AndyCap: Nope. The thing is that the channel change are that slow directly on the backend too. |
| [23:06:33] | Dagmar: | ...or you have to have a difficult discussion with the police about who they use for crime-scene cleanup |
| [23:06:37] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: its pending moderation, but http://bash.org/?850414 |
| [23:06:51] | Dagmar: | Oh dear. Haha |
| [23:08:03] | Dagmar: | There's people who can get blood out of carpets and so forth, but when you call someone saying "Hey, can you guys get a bloodstain out of a carpet?" and they ask "How large?" and you say "Umm... 3–4 pints" logically, someone official should be looking into this |
| [23:08:32] | AndyCap: | who said it was human. |
| [23:08:42] | Dagmar: | You *won't* want to shoot the breeze with these people, either. |
| [23:09:38] | ServerSage: | Dagmar: Do you happen to know what might cause jittery behavior? It's hard to explain, but it's like the pixels shift around some items on the screen. The box on the top right that shows where you are in the show for example. |
| [23:09:49] | ServerSage: | Dagmar: And this happens on both my clients. |
| [23:10:02] | tjcarter: | ServerSage: I had that problem |
| [23:10:10] | ServerSage: | tjcarter: By had, do you mean you fixed it? |
| [23:10:10] | Dagmar: | There's a box on the *top*? |
| [23:10:11] | tjcarter: | ServerSage: change your blend method |
| [23:10:16] | Dagmar: | Oh you must be using a different OSD |
| [23:10:35] | ServerSage: | Dagmar: Yeah, sorry. :) Forget not everybody has the same setup sometiems. |
| [23:10:38] | ServerSage: | tjcarter: Good one. |
| [23:10:40] | tjcarter: | ServerSage: you have NV? |
| [23:10:50] | Dagmar: | I want the OSD to _actually_ stop using the video file's resolution |
| [23:10:52] | tjcarter: | that one drove me nuts for weeks |
| [23:11:00] | hnitsuj: | heh another cracking episode of shameless :D |
| [23:11:08] | ServerSage: | tjcarter: Yeah, good old NVidia. |
| [23:11:14] | Dagmar: | Oh you're using s-video out? |
| [23:11:20] | tjcarter: | Yeah change from like Eco blend to Alpha blend |
| [23:11:24] | ServerSage: | Dagmar: No, DVI->HDMI. |
| [23:11:27] | Dagmar: | Ah |
| [23:11:28] | tjcarter: | bet it cures it. |
| [23:11:32] | tjcarter: | (did for me) |
| [23:11:35] | Dagmar: | Try what tj said |
| [23:11:37] | ServerSage: | tjcarter: Where in the world is that setting again? Argh. |
| [23:12:07] | tjcarter: | playback I think |
| [23:12:18] | Dagmar: | I got spoiled by the "magic deinterlacer" |
| [23:12:41] | Dagmar: | I've no idea *how* it works, I just know I never had to screw with deinterlacing or reinterlacing even once. |
| [23:12:42] | ServerSage: | tjcarter: I think I'm going insane. I don't see it in there. lol. |
| [23:13:13] | tjcarter: | Guide? |
| [23:13:15] | Dagmar: | ServerSage: did you compile without -DDONTRANDOMLYMOVESETUPMENUS? |
| [23:13:42] | ServerSage: | Dagmar: Doh. Silly me, I like a good adventure so I left that out. |
| [23:13:58] | ServerSage: | tjcarter: Bingo! |
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| [23:14:13] | tjcarter: | don't ask me why it's under guide and controls the OSD |
| [23:14:14] | Dagmar: | Someday, I'll get my schedule clear enough to figure out if there's a Perl::Qt binding set I can use |
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| [23:14:16] | tjcarter: | just don't |
| [23:14:21] | tjcarter: | I got no freakin clue. |
| [23:14:40] | tjcarter: | ALSO, you'll find that video is still a little flickery on NV |
| [23:14:52] | ServerSage: | tjcarter: Hmmm, yeah. Didn't change it at all. |
| [23:14:55] | tjcarter: | change to CPU++ or something |
| [23:15:01] | tjcarter: | that'll fix video |
| [23:15:02] | hnitsuj: | whoah.. that shading control effort is for the OSD too?? |
| [23:15:03] | Dagmar: | Ooh there IS apparently Qt bindings for perl |
| [23:15:10] | Dagmar: | Holy crap I might be able to write a plugin |
| [23:15:34] | hnitsuj: | Dagmar: plugins aren't all that bad in c++ – no worse than perl certainly |
| [23:15:45] | tjcarter: | hnitsuj: based on the fact that changing it fixed my problems, I'd say so |
| [23:15:58] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: Yes, but one of these languages I know like the back of my hand, and the other one I should probably be forbidden from working in |
| [23:16:01] | hnitsuj: | tjcarter: not disputing it – just surprised |
| [23:16:39] | Dagmar: | I can mess with the syntax-level stuff in C++, but as far as the inner lives of data types and WTF all the indirection and templates are about is stuff I have never been given sane instruction on |
| [23:16:44] | hnitsuj: | and speaking of surprises, I just found out I had a savings account which'll help out with my very rainy day. totally forgot about it! |
| [23:17:24] | hnitsuj: | Dagmar: my argument being, if I can write a flipping plugin, any moron with half a brain can ;) |
| [23:17:26] | Dagmar: | I see now that I'm going to have to look into WTF is up with the new MythWeather |
| [23:17:34] | Dagmar: | Something is very wrong with the amount of CPU it uses |
| [23:18:00] | Dagmar: | Perl scripts should never be quite this CPU hungry |
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| [23:18:36] | hnitsuj: | ahh the grabber scripticles |
| [23:18:47] | Dagmar: | Damnit |
| [23:19:03] | Dagmar: | Seems I'm out of luck for using Glade to do a Qt interface. Go figure. Hehe |
| [23:20:03] | Dagmar: | ABout 8 years ago I was the kind of guy who wouldn't use a tool for *just* constructing interfaces, but then I got tired of all my interfaces looking _ugly_ |
| [23:20:18] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: qt designer then? |
| [23:20:27] | Dagmar: | Now I muchly heard being able to export an interface as XML |
| [23:20:32] | Dagmar: | s/heard/heart/; |
| [23:20:49] | Dagmar: | AndyCap: I'm looking it over now actually. |
| [23:21:15] | hnitsuj: | well, time for bed. been another effing bastard of a day... g'night |
| [23:21:29] | Dagmar: | Handling manually setting all the fiddly bits that make interface widgets arrange themselves attractively is one of the more annoying coding tasks ever |
| [23:22:37] | Dagmar: | Hmm... LOOKS like I can maybe use Qt Designer to push out something I can soak up with XML::Simple... maybe |
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| [23:26:05] | directhex: | or just use gtk as god intended ;) |
| [23:26:25] | Dagmar: | Yeah, really. |
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| [23:27:15] | lotia: | if i want to set separate resolutions for gui and playback, what is the value i need to set for regular ntsc sd? |
| [23:27:32] | Dagmar: | Probably 640x480 |
| [23:27:59] | Dagmar: | Convincing a video card to do say, 720x480 can be "interesting" |
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| [23:28:29] | Mikeee: | am I the only one not getting the "record status" part of a program in the tooltip in the mythweb listing? that specific information seemed to disappeared after upgrade to 0.21 |
| [23:29:15] | Dagmar: | What, mousing over something in the Listings tab? |
| [23:29:38] | Dagmar: | I wasn't aware that was supposed to show up in the tooltip |
| [23:29:46] | directhex: | Dagmar, and doing the silly 2:1 resolution can cause issues too |
| [23:30:02] | lotia: | Dagmar: but what value should i set for the specific video size. I'm using pvr-500 for my sd capture duties |
| [23:30:04] | Dagmar: | directhex: Another reason I absolutely loved the s-video output |
| [23:30:04] | directhex: | 3:2 even |
| [23:30:06] | Mikeee: | yes, I get all the information _except_ the information about let's say why a specific program will not be recorded |
| [23:30:30] | Dagmar: | lotia: OKay, to put it bluntly, NTSC is going to capture 480 scan lines. |
| [23:30:40] | lotia: | Dagmar: thanks |
| [23:30:55] | xris: | Mikeee: looks like kormoc forgot to pull in recording status stuff for the new ajax popup methods. |
| [23:31:20] | Dagmar: | You get to change the horizontal resolution it records at to anything you like, including 720x480 or 480x480, but basically, playing back at the sampled resolution is going to win and 720x480->640x480 resampling on the fly doesn't give anything problems |
| [23:31:50] | Dagmar: | xris: (not a dig, I swear) good job on making the streaming not do anything scary when it failed here |
| [23:31:52] | Mikeee: | fair enough... I did trace this down to Program.php and it does look like it's doing _something_, but obviously not the correct stuff – there my understanding ends |
| [23:32:04] | Dagmar: | I'm sure the problem is something I haven't got set up correctly somewhere |
| [23:32:12] | Dagmar: | ...but it looks VERY nice |
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| [23:33:03] | Dagmar: | This should go a long way towards encouraging people to maybe stop trying to use the thing as a desktop app |
| [23:33:11] | Mikeee: | xris: can I report that somewhere? |
| [23:33:12] | Dagmar: | er use the frontend as a desktop app |
| [23:33:21] | xris: | Mikeee: could submit a bug report, sure. |
| [23:33:29] | xris: | then it's less likely to get forgotten |
| [23:33:36] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: what thing? |
| [23:33:51] | Dagmar: | AndyCap: the frontend |
| [23:34:26] | AndyCap: | I do that all the time. and it isn't really a good way to use it. :) |
| [23:35:00] | Dagmar: | Exactly. |
| [23:35:20] | Dagmar: | Having what amounts to an easy web interface to the recordings beats it hands down |
| [23:36:19] | Dagmar: | Hmm.. I do at least get "Notes: This showing will be recorded" in the Upcoming Recordings tab (although it should be slightly obvious in most cases) |
| [23:36:48] | kwizart: | someone know how to configure the master backend with a headless server ? |
| [23:36:54] | kwizart: | (if that make sense?) |
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| [23:36:58] | Dagmar: | It makes sense. |
| [23:37:05] | Dagmar: | Do you know how to do X tunneling? |
| [23:37:15] | kwizart: | ssh -X ? |
| [23:37:22] | sphery: | ssh -Y |
| [23:37:29] | Dagmar: | Basically, yeah, although you usually have to change the configuration on the server end to explicitly allow it |
| [23:37:45] | Dagmar: | You should be able to run mythtv-setup with no problem over an ssh tunnel |
| [23:37:49] | sphery: | don't use -X, though, use -Y |
| [23:38:20] | Dagmar: | I've never had to use -Y |
| [23:38:36] | sphery: | No, but you /should/ use -Y |
| [23:38:44] | Dagmar: | Why, exactly would that be? |
| [23:38:53] | Dagmar: | I don't really have a problem with X's access controls |
| [23:39:01] | kwizart: | -y seems to be "trusted" X tranfer according to man ssh |
| [23:39:07] | Dagmar: | It is |
| [23:39:38] | Dagmar: | Technically, it's a miniscule amount of overhead in checking to be sure the incoming display is coming from you, but I tend to not mess with things that are more secure than they need be by default |
| [23:40:12] | kwizart: | -Y, well i'm trying... any frenchies in the channels ? there is a IP planned in Paris for MythTV next month... |
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| [23:40:26] | Frosty-: | how long does eit usually take to fill channel data |
| [23:41:23] | Dagmar: | The nomenclature on the ssh man page would seem to say that -X is more secure than -Y |
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| [23:43:28] | orko: | i have problem sinstalling mythtv-common under debian. |
| [23:44:11] | orko: | dpkg --configure does not work. |
| [23:44:17] | orko: | does anybody have the sam eproblem? |
| [23:44:41] | mikeones: | pasebin the error |
| [23:44:42] | lotia: | any gentoo users on. for some reason, my frontend performance has suddenly deteriorated massively on a p4 3.2 4gb ram. |
| [23:45:01] | sphery: | Dagmar: -Y is saying you trust the host you're connecting to. Few programs are tested to run in a -X ("untrusted X11") sandbox, so if you do trust the host, you should use -Y. See http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/316903#316903 |
| [23:45:04] | lotia: | wanted to know if anyone had a kernel config with which they get good performance |
| [23:45:15] | directhex: | lotia, try removing some ram |
| [23:45:22] | NightMonkey: | lotia: Yes. What have you updated since performance was good? |
| [23:45:27] | Dagmar: | sphery: But basically, while it might be acceptable to trust the host, I generally don't. |
| [23:45:35] | orko: | mikeones: what does that mean |
| [23:45:58] | sphery: | Dagmar: sorry, wrong word, trust the application on the other host... |
| [23:46:06] | orko: | mikeones: there is no exact error. it just says that it ended with error code 1 |
| [23:46:09] | Dagmar: | On general principle, since I *know* that I can manage to punt the necessary credentials over to teh remote machine and back again, I'm not bothering with disabling that |
| [23:46:17] | sphery: | better explained on the post at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/316903#316903 |
| [23:46:23] | lotia: | NightMonkey running latest nvidia driver, 2.6.23-r9 gentoo-sources kernel and 0.21 ebuilds |
| [23:46:26] | orko: | i tried dpkg -D2000 but that does not give any additional output |
| [23:46:33] | lotia: | i've been tracking the latest packages. |
| [23:46:40] | lotia: | brb all |
| [23:46:44] | NightMonkey: | lotia: Heh. I didn't ask you what you've got, but what have you updated? |
| [23:46:51] | NightMonkey: | oh well. |
| [23:47:05] | sphery: | Dagmar: I can guarantee that if you're running a version of Myth without out-of-tree patches it does /not/ listen to your keyboard/mouse events to steal your online banking password, etc. |
| [23:47:10] | Dagmar: | sphery: mythtv-setup on the other hand is dead-simple. It doesn't do anything that might break |
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| [23:47:29] | sphery: | Dagmar: You haven't ever read the error messages you get when using -X, have you? |
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| [23:47:38] | Dagmar: | sphery: See, but basically, I'm using ssh to *simplify* tunneling the X display |
| [23:47:43] | Dagmar: | I don't _need_ to have the link encrypted. |
| [23:47:52] | Dagmar: | I just want something I can make happen in under 12 keystrokes, dig? |
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| [23:48:21] | Dagmar: | I know it's burning some CPU cycles, but I have them to spare. |
| [23:48:29] | sphery: | But, how much harder is typing ssh -Y versus ssh -X. IMHO, it's much easier to reach the y key than the x key (which requires me to reach backwards from the home keys...) |
| [23:48:32] | sphery: | simplify... |
| [23:48:41] | Mikeee: | :) |
| [23:48:55] | mzb_d800: | fwiw: my upgrade 0.21-fixes went pretty well. Only issue of note was that the CPU playback profiles were reset |
| [23:49:02] | Dagmar: | sphery: Yes, but so long as I use -X instead of -Y I can also be reasonably sure whatever I'm doing will work no matter what the remote OS is |
| [23:49:32] | sphery: | Dagmar: the /only/ reason anyone uses -X is because that's what they used to do before untrusted X forwarded was added, and they haven't taken the time to learn to do it right. |
| [23:49:52] | sphery: | Actually, -Y is more reliable |
| [23:50:00] | Dagmar: | You're assuming that only the one way is "right" |
| [23:50:07] | sphery: | if the remote server doesn't support untrusted X, I don't think -X will work |
| [23:50:39] | sphery: | in the case of MythTV, -Y is right /because MythTV has not been modified to support usage in an untrusted X sandbox/ |
| [23:50:45] | sphery: | and that's true of almost every app out there. |
| [23:50:59] | Dagmar: | I don't _run_ the frontend over a tunneled session |
| [23:51:01] | Dagmar: | That would be mad anyway |
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| [23:51:37] | Dagmar: | The only thing needed for -X is "X11Forwarding yes" on the remote sshd |
| [23:51:55] | sphery: | yeah, but there's absolutely no benefit to using -Y when running mythtv-setup |
| [23:52:10] | Dagmar: | Is that NOT what I have been saying? |
| [23:52:16] | Dagmar: | ...or at least the obverse of it? |
| [23:52:27] | sphery: | Sorry, no benefit to -X |
| [23:52:29] | Dagmar: | I use -X becuase mythtv-setup doesn't need -Y |
| [23:52:39] | Dagmar: | Understand this |
| [23:52:57] | Dagmar: | I learned how to do X tunneling back in the early 90's when it WAS a risky proposition |
| [23:53:01] | Frosty-: | rofl -X/Y ... does it warrant this much effort? |
| [23:53:37] | sphery: | If using a version of OpenSSH that supports -Y, then -X /should/ fail if the remote server does not support untrusted X11. untrusted X is new and subverted the old -X (X11 Forwarding) switch and added a new -Y switch. |
| [23:53:41] | Dagmar: | Frosty: No I see what he's saying, I just don't see a point in disabling security controls on X, considering that it means I can expect certain behaviours out of remotely spawned applications |
| [23:54:17] | sphery: | In other words, it takes /much/ extra work for an X11 server to support untrusted X, so for real reliability, use -Y |
| [23:54:36] | Dagmar: | How do I run mythtv-setup here? `ssh -X -l root ammo mythtv-setup` It's very straightforward. |
| [23:54:41] | Dagmar: | None of the typical "potholes" would apply |
| [23:54:52] | sphery: | but, if you're using some ssh other than OpenSSH, you may not have a -Y switch, so then your ssh command will fail, so there's no 100% always use this way of making it work. |
| [23:55:01] | orko: | which is the home dir of the mythtv user? |
| [23:55:03] | Dagmar: | See, there's another reason |
| [23:55:10] | Dagmar: | orko: Whatever you set it to |
| [23:55:21] | orko: | It is no problem to change it? |
| [23:55:27] | Dagmar: | sphery: I'm rather used to popping windows on Solaris machines, Irix, etc |
| [23:55:38] | sphery: | you don't get the part about X servers not supporting untrusted X, do you? |
| [23:55:45] | orko: | because i used /home/mythtv and the posinst script tries to create the mythtv user with /var/lib/mythtv |
| [23:55:46] | Dagmar: | I don't have to screw around with deviating from my usual uses and possibly invite an opportunity for a mistake |
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| [23:56:07] | Dagmar: | sphery: I know the equivalent of `xhost +localhost` when I see it. |
| [23:56:25] | sphery: | that is so not the same |
| [23:56:42] | sphery: | -Y simply says to allow the app to access things like mouse and keyboard events |
| [23:56:59] | Dagmar: | I neither require, nor desire ssh making a tunneled X app behave any differently than if I'd just telnetted over there and did a DISPLAY=blah xterm |
| [23:57:32] | sphery: | than you /should/ be using -Y |
| [23:57:37] | sphery: | what you're saying is -Y |
| [23:57:43] | lotia: | NightMonkey: actually, I did something hugely stupid and reinstalled the machine in frustration without noting any of the old version numbers. So I don't have any of the old version numbers from when it as good. |
| [23:58:11] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [23:58:15] | sphery: | -X says, I don't trust that the mythtv app is going to mind it's own business, so don't allow it access to global X resources, like the clipboard, the mouse and keyboard events, etc. |
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| [23:58:31] | Dagmar: | Far as I know, X has always applied those same security restrictions to remotely spawned apps |
| [23:58:33] | sphery: | -X is the slow, add additional bs checks that don't apply one |
| [23:58:36] | sphery: | nope |
| [23:58:37] | sphery: | new |
| [23:59:16] | Mikeee: | -Y does what -X did earlier |
| [23:59:19] | Mikeee: | sphery is correct |
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