| Sunday, March 9th, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:09] | kormoc: | Anduin, heh, and your cost goes up a lot :P |
| [00:00:11] | kormoc: | whoops |
| [00:00:17] | AndyCap: | kormoc: quite. |
| [00:00:27] | kormoc: | AndyCap, would you rather 3x nodes of 48 drives or one node + FC? |
| [00:00:54] | AndyCap: | kormoc: heh, that depends. :-) |
| [00:00:57] | kormoc: | Most large setups, the more nodes, the better |
| [00:01:02] | kormoc: | tis true, sometimes it is worth it |
| [00:01:35] | AndyCap: | and sometimes cheap and simple is good. |
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| [00:02:00] | Anduin: | sphery: Not recently, and that should just be a "can't find the theme file" error |
| [00:02:02] | AndyCap: | since the most massive failures I've seen comes from complex redundant setups. |
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| [00:03:39] | DustyBin: | after hitting ./configure it says: lirc support no i cannot find a option to turn lirc support on, --enable-lirc doesnt work? |
| [00:03:52] | AndyCap: | DustyBin: you have lirc libraries installed? |
| [00:03:59] | gbee: | missing like devel headers? |
| [00:04:00] | AndyCap: | and -devel if your distros split them? |
| [00:04:06] | DustyBin: | thats whats missing of course |
| [00:04:06] | gbee: | like? lirc |
| [00:04:10] | DustyBin: | the dev |
| [00:04:21] | sphery: | Anduin/gbee: Hmmm. I can enter MythVideo with neon-wide. I can't with G.A.N.T or Titivillus. |
| [00:05:07] | AndyCap: | http://iiss039.joanneum.at/cms/index.php?id=84 Is this going to be another Fraunhofer mp3 licensing ordeal? |
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| [00:06:06] | HeMan: | will 8.04 be 0.21 based? |
| [00:06:38] | AndyCap: | 8.04 of what? |
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| [00:08:56] | xoritor: | does anyone here have mythtv working with the at&t uverse service? |
| [00:10:02] | kdub: | i dont think many myth people would use uverse with the retarded 1 HD stream limit |
| [00:10:18] | xoritor: | yea |
| [00:10:37] | xoritor: | im more interested in the 10mb down and 1.5 up fiber |
| [00:10:37] | kdub: | how are you trying to swing it? |
| [00:10:52] | kdub: | you using a box or trying to get analog or qam right out of the wall? |
| [00:10:53] | xoritor: | but to get it you have to get the "tv" part too |
| [00:10:57] | HeMan: | bah, wrong window |
| [00:10:58] | xoritor: | i dont have it yet |
| [00:11:04] | kdub: | i get 10/1 with cable |
| [00:11:28] | xoritor: | its $55/mo with uverse and that is over $90/mo with twc |
| [00:11:30] | xoritor: | :-/ |
| [00:12:01] | xoritor: | right now i just have twc std rate and get ota hd |
| [00:12:07] | kdub: | i pay $86 |
| [00:12:13] | kdub: | damn |
| [00:12:16] | kdub: | its only $55? |
| [00:12:18] | xoritor: | still more that 36+ |
| [00:12:19] | xoritor: | yea |
| [00:12:21] | kdub: | where at? |
| [00:12:22] | xoritor: | !! |
| [00:12:27] | xoritor: | austin, tx |
| [00:12:29] | kdub: | me too |
| [00:12:30] | kdub: | heh |
| [00:12:33] | xoritor: | hehe |
| [00:12:37] | xoritor: | you looked at it? |
| [00:12:50] | kdub: | nah i saw the 1 HD stream thing and just said forget it |
| [00:12:51] | xoritor: | you may be able to get that or even verizon fios |
| [00:12:55] | kdub: | but for that price its worth it |
| [00:12:59] | Anduin: | sphery: Hmm, Titivillus is one of the ones I test against (as it has its own video-ui), G.A.N.T. should be using the default, so no link I can think of (and they work here). |
| [00:13:03] | kdub: | nah i know i cant get verizon |
| [00:13:08] | xoritor: | yea but you can put in a hdhomerun and pull ota hd |
| [00:13:13] | kdub: | yeah |
| [00:13:23] | kdub: | there is a contract right? |
| [00:13:23] | xoritor: | i have hdhomerun now for ota hd |
| [00:13:27] | xoritor: | its sweet |
| [00:13:30] | xoritor: | i dunno |
| [00:13:33] | xoritor: | have not called yet |
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| [00:14:12] | kdub: | where you see #55? |
| [00:14:14] | kdub: | $55? |
| [00:14:29] | xoritor: | one sec |
| [00:14:32] | DustyBin: | before i go ahead with the compile, am i missing anything important, im using a nvidia 7600 gs graphic card in my mythtv box |
| [00:14:35] | DustyBin: | http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2498 |
| [00:15:31] | xoritor: | https://uverse1.att.com/un/storeOfferAction.do |
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| [00:15:48] | xoritor: | you have to put in your info and they go through all the crap to see if you can get it |
| [00:16:09] | xoritor: | then you can choose all the options |
| [00:16:10] | kdub: | lame |
| [00:16:18] | kdub: | they dont even have it at my apartment complex |
| [00:16:21] | xoritor: | doh |
| [00:16:27] | xoritor: | you look at grande? |
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| [00:16:35] | xoritor: | my boss has their fios |
| [00:16:40] | kdub: | they have fios? |
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| [00:20:53] | xoritor: | yea |
| [00:20:57] | sphery: | Anduin: It works on my production box (also trunk, same rev). The only related difference I can think of between my production box and my dev box is that there are no videos in the DB on my dev box. |
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| [00:21:00] | xoritor: | he gets like 15 down 5 up |
| [00:21:33] | kdub: | damn' |
| [00:21:46] | kormoc: | it's $35 a month for 5/2, $45 for 15/5, $99 for 15/15 |
| [00:21:48] | sphery: | Anduin: So, I ran Video Manager to rescan (and remove the refs from the DB--there were videos in the DB, but not on the disk), and got: Could not locate 'manager' in theme 'video-'. Returning to the previous menu. (then segfault). |
| [00:21:53] | xoritor: | anyways if uverse will work with mythtv i would have 3 hd streams + the std streams |
| [00:22:10] | xoritor: | yep |
| [00:22:23] | ** xoritor drools ** | |
| [00:22:40] | xoritor: | no one but at&t does fiber here |
| [00:22:41] | xoritor: | :-/ |
| [00:23:12] | kdub: | yeah |
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| [00:23:34] | kdub: | well i assume if you are going to use the box you just need to set up IR blasters |
| [00:23:56] | kdub: | and you probably will have to wait for the hauppauge component capture deal to get the HD cable |
| [00:24:11] | DustyBin: | i tried to compile and got this error |
| [00:24:13] | DustyBin: | http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2499 |
| [00:24:16] | iamlindoro: | kdub is correct, you can only get analog out of those boxes right now |
| [00:24:50] | iamlindoro: | There's no QAM signal out of their boxes/to the house and no firewire in any of the boxes |
| [00:24:55] | kormoc: | DustyBin, you need qt-mt packages or the like |
| [00:25:01] | DustyBin: | aye thanks :D |
| [00:25:27] | xoritor: | yea |
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| [00:26:25] | Anduin: | sphery: The segfault is disturbing, though some of those theme errors still exit(0), there should be a log message from XMLParse::LoadTheme saying which video-ui.xml file it is loading... can you verify that file? |
| [00:27:15] | AndyCap: | http://www.semanticmetadata.net/ |
| [00:28:11] | sphery: | Anduin: it's probably an exit(0)--I'll verify that first |
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| [00:29:06] | sphery: | OK, yeah, It's not a segfault. (should have been running from the command line so I could see what really happened) |
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| [00:30:20] | sphery: | exiting at mythvideo/videodlg.cpp +42 |
| [00:31:07] | sphery: | Anduin: Since it works on my production system, I'm thinking it's just a misconfiguration. I'll look into it, but I don't think the code or the them is wrong. |
| [00:31:34] | sphery: | I've never tried any of the plugins on my dev box, so I'm not surprised if they're not properly configured. |
| [00:32:00] | Anduin: | sphery: Yeah, it works for me, must be some theme path of video-ui misplacement/corruption, the error messages for theme load kinda suck (they tell you where it did load, no way to see where it looked first) |
| [00:32:17] | mkargar: | hello |
| [00:33:12] | sphery: | Anduin: Yeah. I'm not getting any messages from XMLParse::LoadTheme. I'm running at default verbosity (which, IIRC, includes general) |
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| [00:33:29] | Arcticpenguin380: | is it better to use reiserfs than ext3 |
| [00:33:44] | Anduin: | It does, have you manually checked that you have video-ui.xml in your theme path? |
| [00:34:05] | kormoc: | Arcticpenguin380, depends on who you ask |
| [00:34:18] | Anduin: | (no mythvideo install means no video-ui as I reclaimed it some time ago) |
| [00:34:35] | sphery: | /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/Titivillus/video-ui.xml |
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| [00:34:49] | sphery: | I have MV installed, just never did anything with it on the dev box. |
| [00:35:02] | Arcticpenguin380: | ext3 sucks on deleting large files |
| [00:35:48] | sphery: | I'm even seeing manager (which the dialog said it couldn't find) in there. |
| [00:36:01] | eiersalat: | i would go for xfs, reiser oder jfs, they all allow grwoing when fs is mounted, which is important for my rig |
| [00:36:02] | mkargar: | I installed Mythtv(from APT) on kubuntu!but,I have One Problem!since of running mythtvfrontend,mythtv showing error!:UpNP not connect! |
| [00:36:03] | Anduin: | sphery: Yeah, that is the right default location |
| [00:36:12] | mkargar: | pleae help me!:) |
| [00:36:32] | sphery: | I'll put some verbose in there and see what's happening. |
| [00:36:32] | shiznix: | Arcticpenguin380: xfs rules for large file deletion, not sure on it's robustness with dirty shutdowns though ;) |
| [00:36:55] | eiersalat: | running an xfs lvm since 3 years without any flaw |
| [00:37:00] | Arcticpenguin380: | I had very bad experiences with xfs the first time i used |
| [00:37:10] | eiersalat: | tho xfs, doesnt allow sjrinking, but how needs that haha :) |
| [00:37:14] | eiersalat: | *shrinking |
| [00:37:21] | shiznix: | eiersalat: nice :) |
| [00:37:36] | mkargar: | please help me! |
| [00:38:28] | eiersalat: | its just about comfort when u just plug the drive in, extend the lvm and do a grow_fs :) |
| [00:38:32] | DustyBin: | xfs requires manual defragging |
| [00:38:40] | Arcticpenguin380: | so does JFS |
| [00:38:50] | eiersalat: | DustyBin: never did that lol |
| [00:39:12] | kormoc: | ext4 will finally allow online defragging |
| [00:39:33] | Arcticpenguin380: | fragmentation will be a problem on ext4 now? |
| [00:39:34] | eiersalat: | hmmm i never defrag anything |
| [00:39:47] | eiersalat: | is that important ? lol |
| [00:39:55] | mkargar: | I installed Mythtv(from APT) on kubuntu!but,I have One Problem!since of running mythtvfrontend,mythtv showing error!:UpNP not connect! |
| [00:39:57] | kormoc: | Fragmentation is usually not a problem, but it can be at times, depending on workloads |
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| [00:40:08] | Arcticpenguin380: | fragmentation is a problem on jfs |
| [00:40:31] | kormoc: | Databases tend to have the biggest hit with fragmentation on ext3 |
| [00:40:51] | Arcticpenguin380: | i gonna try reiserfs for mythtv |
| [00:41:05] | eiersalat: | good choice :) |
| [00:41:27] | mkargar: | do not help me? |
| [00:41:30] | eiersalat: | but i would prefer xfs cause its good large file handling, reiser is more for small files (so for system) |
| [00:41:31] | kormoc: | just make sure it's not resier v3 |
| [00:41:35] | Arcticpenguin380: | does reiserfs fragment? |
| [00:41:45] | iamlindoro_: | I love it when they try reverse psychology |
| [00:41:47] | kormoc: | All file systems fragment |
| [00:42:16] | sphery: | Especially when working with multi-gigabyte files |
| [00:42:28] | kormoc: | Reiser v3 can lead to corruption with recordings, depending on your kernel version |
| [00:42:32] | Dibblah: | Ugh. "any way to ensure that all .21-fixes changes are in all the same branches of head?" makes my head hurt in so many ways. |
| [00:42:35] | sphery: | (Another reason using Storage Groups without LVM/RAID but with multiple disks is good) |
| [00:42:43] | Arcticpenguin380: | isnt reiserfs unmaintained now? |
| [00:42:59] | eiersalat: | still maintained by namesys ? |
| [00:43:05] | kormoc: | namesys went under |
| [00:43:10] | sphery: | Dibblah: enough that I'm pretending I didn't see the message |
| [00:43:20] | kormoc: | but the kernel devs are still maintaining it for now |
| [00:43:53] | Arcticpenguin380: | im guessing i will go with jfs after i just found a faq on filesystems on mythtv |
| [00:43:54] | Dibblah: | It's true that all filesystems fragment. However, keeping some level of freespace helps a lot. |
| [00:44:09] | eiersalat: | Arcticpenguin: i would rather stick for a file system with good large file performance like xfs, reiser is better for small files like in / |
| [00:44:15] | ** Dibblah must test out XFS on large volumes again. ** | |
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| [00:44:41] | Dibblah: | ... See if they've fixed the issue where it ate all memory on a xfs_repair. |
| [00:44:48] | mkargar: | anybody help me? |
| [00:44:52] | mkargar: | I installed Mythtv(from APT) on kubuntu!but,I have One Problem!since of running mythtvfrontend,mythtv showing error!:UpNP not connect! |
| [00:44:55] | Dibblah: | After 20 or so hours. |
| [00:45:22] | kormoc: | Dibblah, haven't seen that on CentOS 5 with a 4tb volume |
| [00:45:23] | Arcticpenguin380: | JFS is the absolute best at deletion |
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| [00:45:49] | Dibblah: | You'll only see it if you need to run repair on a corrupted FS ;) |
| [00:45:58] | DustyBin: | are these filesystems written in low level asm ? |
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| [00:46:12] | kormoc: | DustyBin, typically they're in C with some inline asm from time to time |
| [00:46:17] | DustyBin: | ok |
| [00:46:17] | Dibblah: | Very rarely. |
| [00:46:28] | kormoc: | Dibblah, what sort of corruption? |
| [00:46:35] | Dibblah: | Usually, transparency is more valuable than optimisation. |
| [00:46:39] | iamlindoro_: | mkargar: Stop doing that. Someone will help you if they want, but nobody will help you if you repeat yourself every minute. |
| [00:46:51] | sphery: | mkargar: what's the exact error message (from the log, I'm assuming)--please copy/paste as I'm using it for a search of the code. |
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| [00:48:20] | mkargar: | excusme! |
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| [00:48:52] | Dibblah: | kormoc: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/faq.html#dir2 |
| [00:49:41] | mkargar: | error is:UpNP not connect,try again!{OK} |
| [00:50:02] | ** iamlindoro_ senses Babelfishery ** | |
| [00:50:07] | sphery: | Wow. Bad grammer in the error message. |
| [00:50:11] | kormoc: | Dibblah, interesting |
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| [00:50:28] | mkargar: | how export eroor from log? |
| [00:50:32] | sphery: | And bad capitalization... |
| [00:51:11] | sphery: | I'm not getting any hits on a case-insensitive match of 'UpNP not connect'. |
| [00:51:36] | kormoc: | well, the {OK} says it's a gui message |
| [00:52:15] | mkargar: | ok koromoc! |
| [00:53:08] | sphery: | Even searching through i18n files doesn't find it... |
| [00:53:48] | sphery: | It's possible that the translation was fixed in 0.21 (I'm not searching 0.20). |
| [00:54:38] | kormoc: | There's upnp in 0.20? |
| [00:54:41] | sphery: | mkargar: what's the output of running "mythbackend --version"? (Please post on http://pastebin.ca/ ) |
| [00:54:49] | sphery: | some basic UPnP |
| [00:54:59] | kormoc: | ahh, fair 'nuff |
| [00:55:05] | sphery: | didn't work too well, IIRC. :) |
| [00:55:32] | sphery: | I know in 0.20.2, CDev completely replaced the UPnP stack with the one from trunk because it was easier than trying to fix the 0.20 version. :) |
| [00:57:02] | jams: | well this sucks mythdvd now seems tobsegfault with .21 |
| [00:57:23] | sphery: | No finding bugs in 0.21... |
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| [00:57:47] | DustyBin: | here we go, make install |
| [00:58:07] | mkargar: | all frinends excuse me!i Checking again!error is:no UpNP bckends found!{OK} |
| [00:58:42] | sphery: | mkargar: If the message is in another language, posting the message in your language (not English) is fine. |
| [00:58:58] | mkargar: | backends |
| [00:59:22] | jams: | anytime i try to jump to the root menu |
| [00:59:31] | mkargar: | message is ENGLISH! |
| [01:00:07] | mkargar: | error: |
| [01:00:12] | mkargar: | no UpNP backends found!{OK} |
| [01:00:33] | jams: | dangit i was right in the middle of watching that dvd to |
| [01:00:56] | jams: | thought i would take a break and update myth then go back to watching the dvd |
| [01:02:04] | ** jams trys another dvd ** | |
| [01:05:11] | mkargar: | http://pastebin.ca/934734 |
| [01:05:35] | jams: | of all the luck, it works with other dvd's just not the one I was in the middle of watching |
| [01:05:36] | mkargar: | dear sphery :http://pastebin.ca/934734 |
| [01:05:47] | sphery: | mkargar: Looks like you're using the new version of Myth (0.21, 0.21-fixes, or trunk). Can you post the logs you get from the frontend. You may need to start it from the command line with the -l argument (i.e. mythfrontend -l ~/mfe.log)... |
| [01:05:51] | sphery: | nvm You just did. |
| [01:06:28] | sphery: | OK, your MySQL permissions are not correct. |
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| [01:07:12] | sphery: | See "Modifying access to the MySQL database for multiple systems" at http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 |
| [01:08:28] | sphery: | mkargar: Is your database actually running on localhost? |
| [01:09:02] | mkargar: | YES!I Using myhtv 0.21.please checking:http://pastebin.ca/934742 |
| [01:09:26] | sphery: | mkargar: Also, you did do the "Setting up the initial database" part at the link I gave above, right? |
| [01:09:40] | mkargar: | yes!database is runnig actully! |
| [01:09:51] | sphery: | and then you ran mythtv-setup, right? |
| [01:10:09] | DustyBin: | ive installed libfaac-dev, libfaad-dev, libfaac0, libfaad0 |
| [01:10:14] | DustyBin: | but mythmusic still says |
| [01:10:23] | DustyBin: | AAC support will not be included in MythMusic |
| [01:11:10] | sphery: | DustyBin: It's a whole libmp4ff vs libmp4v2 thing... Just don't use AAC in MythMusic. |
| [01:11:43] | rooaus: | sphery: Have you seen http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/321352#321352 ? I have refrained from answering it as my last post on the matter may have been a bit inflammatory (not that I intended it that way) :) |
| [01:11:51] | DustyBin: | ok |
| [01:13:07] | sphery: | DustyBin: You can make it work (but your probably have to force your distro to install libmp4ff, which isn't supposed to be installed since it's been deprecated and is now for internal use only and the public-facing API is libmp4v2, but we haven't converted to use it... |
| [01:13:44] | sphery: | rooaus: Yeah, I saw it. I pretended I didn't. I knew if I answered, my post would be inflammatory (and I'll say I would have meant it that way). :) |
| [01:13:45] | mkargar: | I running mythtv-setup,but,mythtv showing error:no UpNP backends found! |
| [01:14:12] | sphery: | mkargar: after running mythtv-setup, did you start mythbackend? |
| [01:14:13] | mkargar: | this is log of mythfrontend:http://pastebin.ca/934747 |
| [01:14:20] | sphery: | then you need to start mythfrontend |
| [01:14:30] | DustyBin: | libvisual support will not be included in MythMusic (requires SDL support) |
| [01:14:36] | DustyBin: | ive installed the libvisual dev packages |
| [01:14:51] | DustyBin: | but im not sure what SDL support is |
| [01:15:01] | iamlindoro_: | I wonder whether that stupid ubuntu bug where they don't install libqt3-mt-mysql is still present... |
| [01:15:01] | sphery: | mkargar: Yeah, I saw your the post about the log file while I was typing the message asking for it. |
| [01:15:04] | kormoc: | DustyBin, your libvisual needs to be compiled with SDL support (libsdl) |
| [01:15:28] | sphery: | DustyBin: You're probably better off without libvisual support, anyway. It tends to segfault mythfrontend. |
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| [01:15:43] | sphery: | (Actually, the support doesn't, but using libvisual visualizers does.) |
| [01:15:46] | DustyBin: | ok |
| [01:15:51] | sphery: | Your call, though. |
| [01:16:26] | sphery: | Fun to configure a couple of libvisual visualizers and then watch them, then unconfigure them so you can actually use MythMusic. |
| [01:16:42] | mkargar: | i starting mythfrontend!but,problem is...! |
| [01:17:46] | DustyBin: | here we go, make install plugins |
| [01:18:01] | sphery: | mkargar: and you have mythbackend running? It looks like your database configuration is wrong (or you haven't done it). Try rm ~/.mythtv/{config.xml,mysql.txt}, then start the mythfrontend configuration again |
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| [01:18:15] | sphery: | make sure you choose the appropriate DB host. |
| [01:18:39] | sphery: | Also, if you don't have the DB host specified properly in mythtv-setup, it won't work. |
| [01:19:21] | ** DustyBin looks forward to configuring mythtv with zoneminder ** | |
| [01:19:53] | DustyBin: | now you can sit in your couch, if somone knocks on the door, switch on the camera and see whos at the door |
| [01:19:58] | DustyBin: | then use x10 to open the door |
| [01:20:15] | hnitsuj: | hey when did the channel title change? |
| [01:20:15] | mkargar: | sphery!please see:http://pastebin.ca/934753 |
| [01:21:51] | hnitsuj: | heh 11pm last night. so when is 0.22 out? :P |
| [01:22:36] | DustyBin: | i thought project graham was going to be released with .21 ? |
| [01:22:50] | hnitsuj: | there was never a project graham |
| [01:23:49] | sphery: | mkargar: I don't know how ubuntu is configured. You'd probably have better luck in #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [01:24:24] | DustyBin: | Metallurgy looks like a nice theme |
| [01:24:27] | hnitsuj: | if you mean project grayhem, I decided to pull the plug on account of the snotty hate mails I got about announcing non-continuance of some theme development. til I get a better temper, I suspect there'll be no more public websites where I put my stuff |
| [01:24:35] | mkargar: | OH!very very THX Dear Sphery! |
| [01:24:48] | orthoevra: | i discovered how slick the MythXFace theme is.. too bad its not finished |
| [01:24:57] | sphery: | mkargar: good luck |
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| [01:25:13] | sphery: | hello, hnitsuj ... |
| [01:25:17] | DustyBin: | haha hnitsuj its you |
| [01:25:17] | mkargar: | :) |
| [01:25:18] | hnitsuj: | orthoevra: not so much slick IMHO. and it's based on a mediaportal skin |
| [01:25:23] | DustyBin: | i didnt see you there |
| [01:25:24] | DustyBin: | lol |
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| [01:25:35] | mkargar: | Very THX Sphery! |
| [01:26:09] | hnitsuj: | DustyBin: I think justdave was getting pissed off with people autocompleting the wrong nick |
| [01:26:09] | orthoevra: | hnitsuj: well i think its one of the nicer themes, not much widescreen themes out there for me that one and blootube are smoothest |
| [01:26:09] | sphery: | DustyBin: The plan was to allow downloading of plugins directly from mythtv, but we haven't gotten that far. |
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| [01:26:38] | DustyBin: | ok |
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| [01:27:07] | hnitsuj: | sphery: aye nobody's submitted the patch for that yet ;) |
| [01:27:08] | sphery: | DustyBin: The "extra" themes (those not in mythtv or myththemes) would have significantly increased the size of the release package downloads, so they weren't included. |
| [01:27:19] | GreyFoxx: | ugh |
| [01:27:21] | DustyBin: | aye fair enough |
| [01:27:26] | GreyFoxx: | all dvd playback is crashing my frontend now |
| [01:27:30] | GreyFoxx: | on multiple frontends |
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| [01:27:48] | hnitsuj: | also nobody wants to be the bad guy to get rid of themes they don't personally like ;) |
| [01:27:48] | hnitsuj: | or rather, nobody will let them |
| [01:27:48] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: jams had the same issue. |
| [01:28:00] | sphery: | hnitsuj: Yeah. We need some serious pruning. |
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| [01:28:20] | DustyBin: | thats it, all i need to setup now is a init.d file |
| [01:28:33] | DustyBin: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Debian_init.d_mythbackend |
| [01:29:18] | hnitsuj: | sphery: need some bods to make kickass themes which aren't mediaportal skin respins |
| [01:29:33] | sphery: | Anduin: I figured out the theme issue (and you had actually told me, though I didn't recognize that was the problem). When I re-install, I remove the old theme directories first. I just happen to have re-installed mythtv and hadn't done a reinstall of mythplugins since, so there was no video-ui.xml in default. Can't explain the Titivillus one, though... |
| [01:30:11] | sphery: | Anduin: Unless there's something missing from Titivillus's video-ui.xml that's loaded from default's. Anyway, sorry for the noise. |
| [01:30:24] | hnitsuj: | sphery: that might become a serious issue when more mythui stuff is done too |
| [01:30:28] | jams: | GreyFoxx- is it the root menu where the segfault occurs? |
| [01:30:28] | hnitsuj: | be worth noting it |
| [01:30:31] | DustyBin: | now its time for a bit of mysql |
| [01:31:36] | DustyBin: | thank god i remember my root mysql password |
| [01:31:51] | ** DustyBin wipes sweat ** | |
| [01:32:12] | sphery: | hnitsuj: the issue with the missing video-ui.xml in default might be a problem with the mythui conversion? You mean from breaking things into different files (instead of one big file)? |
| [01:32:43] | sphery: | DustyBin: No one (not even me) is allowed to ever know the MySQL root password on my systems. I have to hack the password each time I need root access. :) |
| [01:32:49] | hnitsuj: | sphery: AFAIK that hasn't started to leak into mythvideo yet |
| [01:33:03] | sphery: | (Same with the root and mythtv user (system) accounts.) |
| [01:33:29] | hnitsuj: | sphery: just saying that when major stuff changes in themes for mythui, folks are gonna have to get used to installing themes aswell as code ;) |
| [01:33:46] | ** DustyBin digs out o'reilly mysql phrasebook ** | |
| [01:33:51] | hnitsuj: | ... or nightmares will ensue! |
| [01:33:59] | sphery: | hnitsuj: Yeah, Anduin just moved the themes/default/video-ui.xml to the mythvideo installation, so when a user screws up (i.e. as I did), it can "break" the default theme. |
| [01:34:34] | sphery: | hnitsuj: Yeah. Maybe making that "download a theme from mythfrontend settings" patch would be a good use of my time... |
| [01:34:56] | hnitsuj: | well, with the release out of the way I'll doubtless pick up my todo list again |
| [01:35:07] | jams: | or make everybody use blue and GANT |
| [01:35:17] | sphery: | I'm still buried under the issues I've created with the auto-backup patches... |
| [01:35:34] | sphery: | jams: why the choice? :) |
| [01:35:36] | DustyBin: | mysql> DROP DATABASE mythconverg; <-- perfect :D |
| [01:35:50] | jams: | sphery- they are both updated with the code |
| [01:35:55] | hnitsuj: | jams: given that choice I'll go with windows MCE :P |
| [01:36:59] | jams: | yes sphery i thought something had gone wrong with my upgrade. turns out it was just waiting on that auto backup to finish |
| [01:37:37] | sphery: | I can't even say, "Make them all use neon-wide," or "Make them all use Midnight-wide" since you're both in here. |
| [01:37:50] | jams: | 4–5 minutes of just sitting there. |
| [01:37:58] | sphery: | DustyBin: Hope that's what you wanted to do... |
| [01:38:09] | kormoc: | I really wonder if I'm the only G.A.N.T user in the world :P |
| [01:38:10] | sphery: | DustyBin: You know that Myth will upgrade the database for you, right? |
| [01:38:29] | hnitsuj: | kormoc: course you're not. every 1st time user gets to see it ;) |
| [01:38:35] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [01:39:00] | sphery: | lol |
| [01:39:17] | sphery: | jams: So your DVD playback is working now? |
| [01:39:36] | DustyBin: | i prefer to wipe everything and start fresh, i didnt have much on it |
| [01:39:45] | sphery: | jams: nvm... I'm all caught up now. |
| [01:40:08] | sphery: | DustyBin: will mean that the auto backup will complete /very/ quickly... :) |
| [01:40:26] | DustyBin: | mysql -u root -p < mc.sql |
| [01:40:26] | sphery: | (you won't have the worry jams did) |
| [01:40:38] | hnitsuj: | I need to finish my secret project at some point. been all over the place mentally with the breakin & all lately. started car shopping already at least |
| [01:40:53] | sphery: | DustyBin: make sure you do a http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7 restore |
| [01:41:29] | sphery: | Then you'll be able to keep your recordings and rules (but won't carry over "old" config) |
| [01:41:35] | jams: | sphery- no dvd playback does not work |
| [01:41:54] | sphery: | jams: I'm sure GreyFoxx will have a fix soon. :) |
| [01:41:58] | ** hnitsuj chuckles. mythtvnews.com, home of popular rumour & mythtv-related conjecture hasn't picked up on the release yet ** | |
| [01:42:13] | DustyBin: | sphery: most of my recordings i watch once then delete, so i just deleted all recordings too |
| [01:42:14] | jams: | sphery- yeah thats just what i was thinking |
| [01:42:29] | DustyBin: | here in UK there isnt much worth keeping... |
| [01:42:40] | jams: | he is probably working on it right now! |
| [01:42:48] | sphery: | DustyBin: And I thought I was OC about keeping my computers "clean" |
| [01:42:51] | hnitsuj: | DustyBin: just aswell. we're not all made of fecking HDDs |
| [01:42:58] | DustyBin: | lol |
| [01:43:05] | DustyBin: | time for mythtvsetup |
| [01:43:26] | sphery: | hnitsuj: I only have 4TB. ;) Bought some more storage in a weak moment... |
| [01:43:34] | sphery: | sad thing is only 1TB is free |
| [01:43:48] | hnitsuj: | four? wow. If I had it'd be full of my wife's rubbish |
| [01:44:13] | DustyBin: | all working :D |
| [01:44:16] | kormoc: | My myth drive is 200 gigs |
| [01:44:24] | DustyBin: | same here |
| [01:44:31] | kormoc: | and it's mostly only half full or so |
| [01:44:32] | DustyBin: | 200 is more than enough for low res pal |
| [01:44:33] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: Did you notice [16464] going in right before the release? Might be a good place to start... |
| [01:45:01] | hnitsuj: | managed to get up to date with Ashes to Ashes earlier, then need to start attacking Spooks again |
| [01:45:12] | sphery: | kormoc: I'm guessing SDTV only, right? |
| [01:45:21] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [01:45:48] | sphery: | Guess that's usable (but you know, even TiVo users tend to upgrade their storage to more than 200GB :) |
| [01:45:58] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [01:45:58] | hnitsuj: | HDD space is like being able to spend money. the more you get paid (hdd space you get), you always manage to dispose of it just as well as before |
| [01:46:26] | sphery: | hnitsuj: That's definitely true. I just wait longer before I start deleting things I never watched... |
| [01:46:26] | kormoc: | sphery, I watch way too much tv, and thus it never sits around for long |
| [01:46:34] | hnitsuj: | one kilobyte?! what on EARTH would we do with one whole kilobyte?! |
| [01:47:22] | hnitsuj: | just as well the world never ended up with more than ten computers. boy what a mess we'd be in if that ever happened |
| [01:48:00] | sphery: | kormoc: I see. I have this great system that can record 4 channels of HDTV at once to 4TB of storage for playback on my 67" HDTV, but I watch almost all my TV on the road on my 15.4" laptop screen (and transcoded to 480p to limit heat strain on the laptop). |
| [01:48:21] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [01:48:26] | kormoc: | that's really snazzy |
| [01:48:32] | kormoc: | one day I might get close to that :) |
| [01:48:55] | Anduin: | sphery: I still can't reproduce the problem with Titivillus (deleting default*/video-ui.xml), seems weird, I'm not going to worry too much about it. |
| [01:49:14] | sphery: | Anduin: Yeah. NOt worth worrying about. It was definitely user error. |
| [01:49:51] | sphery: | Won't happen on a properly installed system. |
| [01:50:06] | DustyBin: | here we go, scanning for channels using a Nova- |
| [01:50:09] | DustyBin: | T 500 |
| [01:50:11] | sphery: | And, I won't make the mistake, again. |
| [01:50:20] | Anduin: | The exit(0) is still not friendly though. I still don't see how it would happen for TU but oh well. |
| [01:50:22] | sphery: | DustyBin: good luck with the 0.21 scanner... |
| [01:50:48] | hnitsuj: | anyway – I think congratulations are in order for everybody involved re 0.21 :) sincerely |
| [01:51:31] | sphery: | Definitely. Great work, devs... (And even with people like me finding bugs that weren't bugs.) |
| [01:51:53] | ** DustyBin holds up beer ** | |
| [01:52:09] | hnitsuj: | just don't come crying to me if that apearance thing crashes. I don't remember how it works |
| [01:52:47] | DustyBin: | i remember the good old days when the channel scanner used to segfault about now :D |
| [01:53:01] | sphery: | hnitsuj: At least it will be a lot like the auto-backup... Only used once. |
| [01:53:09] | hnitsuj: | I remember the good ole days when every PID had to be entered manually ;) |
| [01:53:17] | DustyBin: | lol |
| [01:53:32] | hnitsuj: | cue somebody who remembers DVB support before there was even a GUI for it... |
| [01:53:41] | sphery: | Though I think it will be a /lot/ easier for people than the old "change some numbers, click next a million times, then see what it looks like" approach |
| [01:54:14] | sphery: | you mean DVB-caca |
| [01:54:18] | hnitsuj: | sphery: I wont even need it til I get a new TV, I wouldnae care ;) |
| [01:54:21] | sphery: | or DVB-libaa? |
| [01:54:39] | DustyBin: | scanned perfectly, no segfault :D |
| [01:54:45] | sphery: | DustyBin: good news. |
| [01:55:24] | hnitsuj: | DustyBin: 1st segfault is scheduled to happen in mythbackend just before or during that show your mrs really wanted to watch |
| [01:55:31] | ** sphery just figured out hnitsuj's nick... ** | |
| [01:55:52] | jduggan: | lol |
| [01:55:58] | orthoevra: | heh... |
| [01:56:23] | ** hnitsuj takes the bong away from sphery ** | |
| [01:56:49] | orthoevra: | who going to lugradio live this year? |
| [01:57:00] | hnitsuj: | not me! |
| [01:57:31] | jduggan: | isnt it in like sanfrancisco this year |
| [01:57:49] | orthoevra: | yeh |
| [01:57:52] | hnitsuj: | hang on, said that last year... this time I really mean it. have to keep reminding myself what it was like |
| [01:58:12] | orthoevra: | hnitsuj: would cost u alot of $ |
| [01:58:24] | hnitsuj: | jduggan: there's LRL USA & the regular Wolverhampton (centre of the known universe) LRL |
| [01:58:39] | jduggan: | lol @ centre of the known universe |
| [01:59:00] | jduggan: | last years was barely worth my effort |
| [01:59:03] | orthoevra: | i would rather go to the center of the universe one.. any chance to leave the states |
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| [01:59:26] | jduggan: | i enjoyed the 'mass debate' the talk by alan cox and the talk by chris debona |
| [01:59:44] | jduggan: | but everything else was just pfft |
| [01:59:55] | kormoc: | sphery, damn, I just figured out what you figured out |
| [02:00:00] | hnitsuj: | my ears don't take kindly to being assaulted by heavy metal, and er.. the popular myth about some geeks having really bad BO is sadly true |
| [02:00:11] | DustyBin: | all working perfectly!! no problems at all!! :D |
| [02:01:35] | ** orthoevra sniffs herself.. meh.. still good ** | |
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| [02:01:42] | ** jduggan ponders if he should bother sticking with svn or stay on .21 for the forseeable future ** | |
| [02:01:47] | Anduin: | DustyBin: Now would be a good time to go buy that Lotto ticket. |
| [02:02:35] | kormoc: | ls |
| [02:02:40] | Anduin: | I never saw the channel scanner crash, until it was very close to release. |
| [02:03:39] | hnitsuj: | worst thing about exhibiting is people coming up & asking why mythtv crashes on them periodically. "ummm, I don't know" never seems to be an acceptable answer to them guys |
| [02:04:38] | jduggan: | blame their hardware |
| [02:04:40] | jduggan: | ;o |
| [02:04:52] | hnitsuj: | jduggan: one thing I can say about LRL is that the beering is always fun. the other parts of it genuinely feels like preaching to the converted most of the time |
| [02:04:55] | Dibblah: | hnitsuj: Shouldn't you be asleep? |
| [02:04:59] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [02:05:15] | hnitsuj: | Dibblah: probably. sleeping hasn't been easy lately |
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| [02:13:58] | th1: | hi, I have Kubuntu 7.10 and I had a setup with my media pc hooked up to my amp with the coax output of my CM8738 soundcard, everything was working with AC3 and DTS passthrough, now after I did aptitude upgrade last week, it doesn't work except for DTS tracks at all anymore, either it's silent or its downsampled to Dolby Digital on the coax output, any ideas to fix it back to where it was? |
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| [02:35:33] | DustyBin: | wow i got mythweb working, this is serious stuff |
| [02:36:08] | DustyBin: | it feels a lot faster |
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| [02:37:14] | kormoc: | That was the goal :) |
| [02:38:06] | DustyBin: | ive installed every single plugin apart from mythbrowser, however, the mythmusic + mythvideo icons are not showing in mythweb |
| [02:38:20] | kormoc: | you need to run them from the frontend first |
| [02:38:26] | DustyBin: | aye ok |
| [02:38:32] | kormoc: | or at least run the setup stuff from the frontend |
| [02:38:36] | DustyBin: | ok |
| [02:46:55] | kormoc: | hnitsuj, Howdy, you up still? |
| [02:47:06] | th1: | so anyone know, if a recent change in mythtv could break audio passthrough to spdif in the way my question shows? |
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| [02:51:11] | iamlindoro: | th1: Your aptitude upgrade last week would not have updated myth |
| [02:51:51] | iamlindoro: | th1: More likely it updated some portion of ALSA... I would tentatively say the problem is not within Myth itself |
| [02:52:15] | th1: | yeah, I've had my skirmishes with Alsa to get this to work :( |
| [02:52:32] | th1: | I had to get a separate soundcard with coax out, because the nvidia one didn't support passthrough in linux |
| [02:53:06] | th1: | at one point, I actually understood more or less what ALSA was doing, but I confess I'm confused now |
| [02:53:11] | iamlindoro: | th1: I suppose it's possible some ALSA update modified a configuration file, but that's just a wild guess |
| [02:53:46] | iamlindoro: | th1: I can only say with a relative degree of certainty that Myth wasn't updated by apt, as before .21 (which came out today) it remained untouched for six or so months |
| [02:53:47] | th1: | yes, but it's just strange that it still works for DTS.. because there's nothing in any of the ALSA tools to differentiate between any of the raw passthrough modes |
| [02:54:09] | iamlindoro: | untouched within ubuntu packages, that is |
| [02:54:14] | th1: | well thanks for that iamlindoro |
| [02:54:22] | th1: | at least it gives me a direction to look in |
| [02:54:29] | iamlindoro: | th1: No problem-- I hope you manage to set it straight |
| [02:54:33] | th1: | me too :) |
| [02:55:07] | th1: | I had a movie night tonight, and they were complaining in the first movie, because it was AC3 and it got downsampled to stereo with most of the music muted |
| [02:55:33] | th1: | however the second movie was Phantom of the Opera, there it would have been disastrous, but the DTS soundtrack worked fine luckily :) |
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| [03:17:43] | DustyBin: | i dont think my opengl is working, ive turned it on but that fading menu effect hasnt turned on |
| [03:18:43] | DustyBin: | this is what got compiled |
| [03:18:47] | DustyBin: | http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2498 |
| [03:18:59] | DustyBin: | XvMC pro support no |
| [03:19:00] | DustyBin: | XvMC OpenGL sup. no |
| [03:19:09] | DustyBin: | could it be anything to do with those? |
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| [03:21:58] | sphery: | DustyBin: Did you restart mythfrontend after turning on OpenGL painter? |
| [03:22:01] | sphery: | It's required |
| [03:22:15] | bird603568: | mythtv does the video decoding on the front end right? |
| [03:22:16] | DustyBin: | no i didnt |
| [03:22:33] | sphery: | XxMC OpenGL is not what you want (it doesn't really work, yet). |
| [03:22:42] | sphery: | bird603568: yep |
| [03:22:48] | bird603568: | ok good |
| [03:23:06] | sphery: | bird603568: IMHO, get a powerful frontend, and skimp on the backend resources. |
| [03:23:10] | bird603568: | because i was thinking that my dual xeon probably cant do hd |
| [03:23:34] | bird603568: | well my back end is a dual 1ghz xeon with 2 gigs of ram and a raid5 |
| [03:23:38] | bird603568: | got it for 50$ |
| [03:24:14] | bird603568: | the front end im going to use my roommates x2 |
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| [03:24:47] | sphery: | bird603568: I have 2 backends--an Athlon XP 2400+ and a 2000+--neither of which can play back HDTV in real time, yet all my recordings are HDTV. Can take up to 2:1 to commflag. No problems, though. |
| [03:25:04] | sphery: | An X2 should be a good frontend |
| [03:25:20] | sphery: | Sounds like you have a good plan |
| [03:25:29] | bird603568: | any suggestions on a hd card? |
| [03:26:50] | bird603568: | i was going to get the pvr250 but analog is going to be off the air soon |
| [03:29:56] | gr: | yay now using svn 16473 aka .21 , everything works well :) [except previews in mythweb, but i have my own workaround :) ] |
| [03:30:25] | sphery: | bird603568: I use the pcHDTV HD-3000. Works great for me. |
| [03:30:41] | sphery: | bird603568: I've heard good things about the Avermedia A180, too. |
| [03:30:52] | sphery: | (The HD-3000 was replaced with the HD-5500, BTW.) |
| [03:31:12] | sphery: | I've heard that some have issues with over-the-air reception with the HD-5500. |
| [03:31:14] | bird603568: | they both can do digital hd? |
| [03:31:53] | bird603568: | i dont want to have to buy a new card in a year |
| [03:33:28] | sphery: | bird603568: they're both really digital only (though the pcHDTV has analog inputs, they're not worth using since it's equivalent to a $10 BTTV framegrabber). |
| [03:33:51] | sphery: | bird603568: I'd start http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_ca . . . DTV.29_cards |
| [03:33:59] | iamlindoro: | Not to mention the fact that there's no such thing as analog HD ;) |
| [03:34:01] | sphery: | HDHomeRun is another one many like |
| [03:34:30] | sphery: | yeah, and NTSC is the worst possible thing you can do to video |
| [03:34:39] | sphery: | (except, maybe MPEG-1) |
| [03:34:47] | ** iamlindoro shudders ** | |
| [03:34:59] | gr: | scnr |
| [03:35:09] | gr: | ntsc = nver the same color |
| [03:35:12] | gr: | =) |
| [03:35:21] | bird603568: | oh i just wasnt sure what i needed |
| [03:35:30] | bird603568: | since there are something like 3 dvb and atsc |
| [03:35:45] | sphery: | bird603568: BTW, I'm assuming you want US HDTV (ATSC). If not, ignore everything I've said. |
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| [03:36:13] | bird603568: | whats comcast digital cable? |
| [03:36:36] | sphery: | if in the US, you want an ATSC capture card (with QAM support). |
| [03:36:44] | bird603568: | ok |
| [03:36:55] | iamlindoro: | !explainencryption |
| [03:37:02] | iamlindoro: | !5CBad |
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| [03:37:08] | iamlindoro: | damn, we really need a bot for this stuff ;) |
| [03:37:17] | bird603568: | iso this will work http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815100020 |
| [03:37:22] | sphery: | bird603568: iamlindoro is right. There's a chance the HDTV channels will be encrypted (= unusable) |
| [03:37:30] | xris: | bird603568: was that a serious question? comcast is a cable company in the US. |
| [03:37:31] | sphery: | ATSC is over-the-air. |
| [03:37:49] | bird603568: | oh screw this then |
| [03:38:00] | bird603568: | were are in the middle of nowhere |
| [03:38:32] | bird603568: | so theres no way to get it to work with cable? |
| [03:38:33] | sphery: | xris: I wasn't sure if comcast did business elsewhere, so I was being very cautious with my answers... |
| [03:38:44] | sphery: | bird603568: with unencrypted cable |
| [03:38:46] | iamlindoro: | bird603568: In general people tend to get local channels and Network TV unencrypted |
| [03:38:55] | sphery: | whether your cable company encrypts or not, I couldn't tell you. |
| [03:39:13] | sphery: | And, yeah, AIUI, the cable company has to provide the local channels unencrypted. |
| [03:39:24] | bird603568: | so if you can only get over the air tv with mythtv who would use it? |
| [03:39:29] | eiersalat: | sorry for the dumb question, but what youa mericans mostly use to view tv with your myth box ? cable with ntsc ? *shrugs* |
| [03:39:38] | iamlindoro: | bird603568: That's not the case at all |
| [03:39:45] | bird603568: | so you are telling me i wasted 50$ on that server |
| [03:39:54] | ** sphery only wants OTA (and loves his $0/mo (no-)cable bill) ** | |
| [03:39:55] | xris: | sphery: comcast is natiowide |
| [03:40:16] | iamlindoro: | bird603568: MythTV will happily capture from your cable company anything that isn't unencrypted, or via analog (SD) inputs, or via firewire if your cable company enables all the channels (few do but it happens) |
| [03:40:31] | sphery: | yeah, but didn't know if it was also outside the US and didn't want to get blamed for causing someone in Europe to buy the wrong card. :) |
| [03:40:49] | bird603568: | ok so what do i need to capture that? |
| [03:41:00] | iamlindoro: | "that?" |
| [03:41:09] | sphery: | bird603568: And, funny enough, that PVR-150 would work extremely well even after the digital switchover. |
| [03:41:09] | bird603568: | unencrypted cable |
| [03:41:20] | mzb: | bird603568: ota is fine for me ... dvb-t ;) |
| [03:41:24] | bird603568: | can it do hd? |
| [03:41:24] | mzb: | (.au) |
| [03:41:25] | iamlindoro: | Like sphery told you, an ATSC tuner with QAM support |
| [03:41:42] | bird603568: | time out this is confusing me |
| [03:41:47] | sphery: | bird603568: Even if your cable company decides to switch to all digital, you would just need to plug the analog outputs of the cable box into the PVR-150 |
| [03:41:49] | iamlindoro: | and yes, it would do any HD that was unencrypted, like previously stated, this generally ends up being NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox, and whatever your locals are |
| [03:41:52] | bird603568: | he said atsc is over the air |
| [03:42:00] | bird603568: | we get 2 channels over the air |
| [03:42:05] | sphery: | (and no one is telling cable companies they have to switch to digital) |
| [03:42:16] | kormoc: | bird603568, wait a second. You asked about comcast, but you're on a comcast internet connection... |
| [03:42:33] | bird603568: | kormoc: so? |
| [03:42:43] | bird603568: | woudlnt that make sense? |
| [03:42:50] | bird603568: | plus im on spring break |
| [03:42:51] | iamlindoro: | bird603568: ATSC is the digital transmission standard. An ATSC card with QAM support will capture the digital transmissions via QAM modulation, the modulation technique used by cable cos |
| [03:42:56] | bird603568: | so im in maryland vs the mountians |
| [03:43:17] | sphery: | bird603568: ATSC is OTA. Most (all?) US cable companies use something that closely resembles ATSC, but uses a different modulation (QAM vs 8VSB). So, an ATSC capture card with QAM support works for cable. |
| [03:43:40] | kormoc: | <bird603568> whats comcast digital cable? |
| [03:43:45] | sphery: | bird603568: However, if the cable company decides to encrypt the channels, you can't capture them (at least not in any usable form). |
| [03:43:54] | bird603568: | kormoc: i mean what do i need for it |
| [03:43:57] | kormoc: | bird603568, if you're on comcast, you'd know who comcast was |
| [03:43:57] | kormoc: | ooh |
| [03:43:58] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: I have a feeling he was asking about what transmission type |
| [03:44:05] | kormoc: | I was rather confused |
| [03:44:12] | bird603568: | the appartment that im living in next year comes with comcast digital cable |
| [03:44:33] | sphery: | bird603568: You need an ATSC capture card with QAM support (and to hope that comcast in your area doesn't encrypt the channels you want) |
| [03:44:41] | bird603568: | it doesnt |
| [03:44:55] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: he could always do firewire :) |
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| [03:45:02] | kormoc: | indeed |
| [03:45:06] | bird603568: | and event if it did couldnt i just plug it into a cable box? |
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| [03:45:29] | iamlindoro: | bird603568: What makes you believe Comcast isn't encrypting QAM in your area? what's your zip code? |
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| [03:45:31] | sphery: | if the firewire ports output unencrypted video, yes... |
| [03:45:39] | bird603568: | 16801 |
| [03:45:44] | SlicerDicer: | iamlindoro comcast is not encrypting assholes in my experience |
| [03:45:54] | bird603568: | because we plugging a tv directly into a wall and it can see the channels |
| [03:45:59] | SlicerDicer: | however I cannot say the same for cableone |
| [03:46:01] | ** sphery wonders how iamlindoro will get from zip code to encryption status... ** | |
| [03:46:07] | sphery: | (I really want to learn) |
| [03:46:12] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Silicondust ;) |
| [03:46:17] | SlicerDicer: | ? |
| [03:46:18] | kormoc: | bird603568, HD Channels? |
| [03:46:23] | kormoc: | bird603568, that aren't local channels? |
| [03:46:28] | bird603568: | we dont have a tv that can do hd |
| [03:46:36] | kormoc: | bird603568, that's analog then |
| [03:46:36] | SlicerDicer: | silicondust? |
| [03:46:42] | SlicerDicer: | you been snorting it? |
| [03:46:42] | kormoc: | bird603568, the encryption is on HD stuff |
| [03:46:50] | bird603568: | but from what ive heard is that you can only get 2 over the air hd channels |
| [03:46:52] | iamlindoro: | http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineupui . . . stcode=16801 |
| [03:47:02] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: hardly... they encrypt my shit that is not HD |
| [03:47:08] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: cableone sucks |
| [03:47:08] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Nice! Thanks. |
| [03:47:17] | xris: | iamlindoro: those are cute little boxes. |
| [03:47:23] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer, digital stuff, sure |
| [03:47:24] | iamlindoro: | bird603568: Looks like you get network TV, some locals, and music channels, but not the others... everything else would be encrypted |
| [03:47:26] | xris: | I finally got to play with one today. |
| [03:47:31] | xris: | too bad I don't watch much local TV. |
| [03:47:33] | iamlindoro: | xris: which, the HDHomeRun? |
| [03:47:36] | xris: | yeah |
| [03:47:42] | SlicerDicer: | http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineupui . . . stcode=87144 how do I read that? |
| [03:47:43] | bird603568: | ok you guys just confused the fuck out of me |
| [03:47:44] | xris: | they gave one to SD to give away at linuxfest northwest |
| [03:47:47] | iamlindoro: | xris: Ah, yeah, don't own one but the web site is a neat tool |
| [03:47:54] | bird603568: | so if i get a card its worthless since its encrypted? |
| [03:48:03] | kormoc: | bird603568, no... |
| [03:48:13] | sphery: | bird603568: that's really not bad in terms of the number of channels they're sending unencrypted |
| [03:48:18] | kormoc: | bird603568, there's two things here you're missing. There's Analog cable and there's Digital cable |
| [03:48:25] | bird603568: | ok im going to ask 1 question and you are going to answer it |
| [03:48:30] | kormoc: | bird603568, Digital cable channels can be encrypted |
| [03:48:41] | iamlindoro: | SlicerDicer: Those that have a call sign are probably unencrypted, "real" channels... anything that's an unknown is likely a VOD stream that was there at the time the user scanned, so those are not real channels. |
| [03:48:42] | bird603568: | what card do i need that i can plug into comcast and get the hd that comes with it |
| [03:48:47] | clever: | 2008-03–08 23:48:30.169 NVP::AddAudioData():p2: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost! |
| [03:48:49] | sphery: | bird603568: it's possible, though, that using a cable box with firewire would get you a different number (either more or less) than you can get going directly to a QAM capture card. |
| [03:48:56] | clever: | i get every time i seek when playing mpeg2 files |
| [03:48:57] | SlicerDicer: | iamlindoro there is no VOD here |
| [03:49:04] | kormoc: | bird603568, none currently, Firewire is your best shot |
| [03:49:04] | xris: | iamlindoro: totally worth the money if you watch the channels it can pick up. was hoping I'd at least get SD cable, but only a couple of them that share streams with "must be unencrypted" things |
| [03:49:18] | xris: | so I still have to pay the hd+firewire box tax. |
| [03:49:38] | bird603568: | ok so its pointless to buy a card |
| [03:49:38] | SlicerDicer: | bird603568: firewire can be encrypted however |
| [03:49:42] | bird603568: | what? |
| [03:49:43] | SlicerDicer: | bird603568: no guarantees |
| [03:49:47] | bird603568: | i dont have firewire |
| [03:49:51] | bird603568: | i dont have a box |
| [03:49:58] | SlicerDicer: | bird603568: I lived in Washingon state and could record any channel on firewire |
| [03:50:01] | kormoc: | bird603568, for HD stuff, you'd get a cable box |
| [03:50:05] | SlicerDicer: | moved here to new mexico 65% are encrypted |
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| [03:50:17] | kormoc: | bird603568, are you sure you even have a HD subscription? |
| [03:50:17] | sphery: | bird603568: An ATSC capture card with QAM will get you some channels (at least right now). Using firewire from a cable box may get you some (possibly more or less). |
| [03:50:41] | bird603568: | kormoc: thats what the people that own the appartments said |
| [03:50:43] | SlicerDicer: | bird603568: so dont expect it to be a miracle and bam all work... HD is sketchy given they like to protect it |
| [03:50:44] | xris: | SlicerDicer: you miss WA much? ;) |
| [03:50:48] | sphery: | bird603568: No one will tell you the "one" answer you're looking for because they don't want you to blame them when you end up dissatisfied with the number of channels you can get. |
| [03:50:51] | SlicerDicer: | xris: no |
| [03:50:56] | kormoc: | bird603568, there's a difference between HD and just regular digital cable |
| [03:51:08] | kormoc: | bird603568, and there's a difference between digital cable and analog cable |
| [03:51:12] | SlicerDicer: | xris: well ok I miss a few things |
| [03:51:16] | sphery: | But ATSC (over the air) is nice and unencrypted. |
| [03:51:19] | SlicerDicer: | xris: like easy to get computer parts lol... |
| [03:51:23] | xris: | I just got food and scifi in hd. :) |
| [03:51:31] | xris: | SlicerDicer: meh.. that's what newegg is for. :) |
| [03:51:44] | SlicerDicer: | xris: yeah but I usto go pick up things like PSU's locally |
| [03:51:55] | SlicerDicer: | xris: I have had food for a while |
| [03:52:01] | SlicerDicer: | xris: I am getting a new one soon |
| [03:52:02] | bird603568: | well you guys have confused/pissed me off more than i was before i came in here |
| [03:52:11] | bird603568: | im just going to make a snort box |
| [03:52:14] | SlicerDicer: | bird603568: what is confusing? |
| [03:52:20] | bird603568: | everything youve said |
| [03:52:20] | sphery: | I have food most every day. I'd like to get the channel that Good Eats is on, but it's not worth the issues with cable. |
| [03:52:22] | SlicerDicer: | bird603568: everything was explained rather good I think |
| [03:52:31] | SlicerDicer: | bird603568: what? firewire is confusing? |
| [03:52:36] | bird603568: | no |
| [03:52:37] | SlicerDicer: | plug the firewire cable into the back of the cablebox |
| [03:52:42] | SlicerDicer: | plug said firewire into computer |
| [03:52:47] | SlicerDicer: | test see if works if does = YAY |
| [03:52:58] | SlicerDicer: | if not so sorry your screwed nothing you can do about it |
| [03:52:59] | sphery: | snort box as in network intrusion detection? |
| [03:53:01] | bird603568: | im not made of money |
| [03:53:02] | SlicerDicer: | thats about how it works with HD |
| [03:53:06] | bird603568: | i pay 36k a year for school |
| [03:53:08] | SlicerDicer: | firewire is not expensive... |
| [03:53:24] | SlicerDicer: | most motherboards have firewire ports on them |
| [03:53:27] | SlicerDicer: | and the cables are like 3$ |
| [03:53:30] | bird603568: | i cant buy 1 card then find it not working then buy another |
| [03:53:35] | SlicerDicer: | worst case spend 10$ on firewire card |
| [03:53:44] | kormoc: | bird603568, blame the encryption that the cable co's do. It's not our fault they encrypt things. |
| [03:53:48] | SlicerDicer: | well if you want HD firewire is the only way... |
| [03:53:52] | sphery: | or, be willing to give up cable and go with OTA only |
| [03:54:00] | SlicerDicer: | at least unless you want to do OTA |
| [03:54:03] | kormoc: | exactly |
| [03:54:19] | bird603568: | ota is pointless |
| [03:54:25] | ** sphery has been cable free for 3 years, now ** | |
| [03:54:26] | bird603568: | im not paying 100$ for a card and getting 2 channels |
| [03:54:28] | kormoc: | For you perhaps, for a lot of people it's not |
| [03:54:36] | SlicerDicer: | who the hell said 100$?!?!?!?! |
| [03:54:45] | SlicerDicer: | its a fucking 10$ card and 3$ cable |
| [03:54:48] | bird603568: | especially since all i want to do is watch history channel and football games |
| [03:54:51] | SlicerDicer: | and your mobo may even have firewire dude... |
| [03:54:56] | SlicerDicer: | I have firewire on all my motherboards |
| [03:54:56] | bird603568: | SlicerDicer: nope |
| [03:55:03] | bird603568: | its a u5 server |
| [03:55:10] | kormoc: | bird603568, honestly, it sounds like you don't know what exactly you'll have, so it's likely going to be better if you figure it out and then come back |
| [03:55:14] | SlicerDicer: | ugg... |
| [03:55:18] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer, it's a $50 server he said, so rather old |
| [03:55:24] | bird603568: | ya its from 99 |
| [03:55:31] | bird603568: | dual p3 xeon |
| [03:55:33] | bird603568: | running arch |
| [03:55:38] | SlicerDicer: | I am sure it has a PCI slot kormoc |
| [03:55:44] | bird603568: | it has 1 more |
| [03:55:49] | bird603568: | and 3 more pcix |
| [03:55:51] | kormoc: | it's IO might not even handle HD |
| [03:55:53] | sphery: | history channel is likely one that's encrypted... |
| [03:56:03] | bird603568: | i guess espn will be too |
| [03:56:07] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: its possible |
| [03:56:10] | iamlindoro: | xris: Hey so how is SciFi HD, anyway? |
| [03:56:11] | sphery: | best bet is to find someone in your are who's doing HDTV and find out from them. |
| [03:56:16] | clever: | USB 2.0 DIGITAL HDTV ATSC /ANALOG NTSC TV TUNER CAPTURE |
| [03:56:17] | SlicerDicer: | mine horked out on 3 HD streams |
| [03:56:19] | SlicerDicer: | lol |
| [03:56:21] | SlicerDicer: | 3! |
| [03:56:22] | clever: | does that sound compatible? |
| [03:56:23] | sphery: | (ideally someone doing HDTV with Myth) |
| [03:56:32] | bird603568: | i dont have usb either |
| [03:56:48] | bird603568: | i think im just going to by a gigE card and make a ids |
| [03:56:58] | SlicerDicer: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815265002 even comes with cable |
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| [03:57:10] | SlicerDicer: | is that too expensive to test if firewire will work? |
| [03:57:26] | bird603568: | what firewire? |
| [03:57:30] | bird603568: | everything i have is usb |
| [03:57:33] | SlicerDicer: | ..... |
| [03:57:35] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [03:57:37] | SlicerDicer: | look at the link dude... |
| [03:57:42] | bird603568: | i did |
| [03:57:42] | ** iamlindoro mashes his face in the keyboard ** | |
| [03:57:45] | bird603568: | its a firewire card |
| [03:57:48] | kormoc: | bird603568, if what you said is true, and they give you a hd subscription in your place |
| [03:57:49] | bird603568: | for 11$ |
| [03:57:55] | kormoc: | bird603568, you'd get a cable box with a firewire output |
| [03:57:56] | bird603568: | im not there yet |
| [03:58:02] | bird603568: | i live in some shit hole atm |
| [03:58:06] | kormoc: | bird603568, you'd be able to use that firewire output to use it as a tuner for myth |
| [03:58:18] | bird603568: | oh ive heard its disabled |
| [03:58:20] | sphery: | HDTV--TV the way your cable/satellite company wants you to have it... |
| [03:58:32] | bird603568: | but apparently theres a hack to enable it |
| [03:58:34] | ** iamlindoro thinks bird603568 is just making stuff up now ** | |
| [03:58:36] | DustyBin: | can mythmovies be used in the UK? |
| [03:58:39] | kormoc: | bird603568, IF it's hd, they by law are required to allow some channels over it |
| [03:58:48] | sphery: | kormoc types faster than I |
| [03:58:52] | kormoc: | bird603568, sometimes they allow all, sometimes they don't allow any |
| [03:59:05] | SlicerDicer: | sometimes they allow some |
| [03:59:05] | kormoc: | bird603568, it's all covered in the mythtv wiki under firewire, so you should likely read that |
| [03:59:09] | SlicerDicer: | in my case |
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| [03:59:30] | bird603568: | ok lets try this again |
| [03:59:33] | kormoc: | bird603568, but until you have the box in your hand, you won't know |
| [03:59:40] | kormoc: | and we can't help you |
| [03:59:42] | sphery: | they have to provide a firewire-enabled STB on request over which they have to provide the local channels unencrypted |
| [03:59:45] | bird603568: | hi im looking for a card that i can use with comcast digital cable |
| [03:59:45] | SlicerDicer: | ... make sure its a silver one please... not black LOL |
| [04:00:00] | kormoc: | god damn it |
| [04:00:04] | ** iamlindoro sets /ignore to kill ** | |
| [04:00:07] | bird603568: | youve told me 4 things |
| [04:00:26] | bird603568: | youve said i need atsc with qam, dvb something, firewire and im screwed |
| [04:00:38] | SlicerDicer: | bird603568: its simple..... |
| [04:00:44] | iamlindoro: | Nobody ever told you you needed DVB |
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| [04:00:57] | bird603568: | someone said some card that was dvb |
| [04:01:00] | sphery: | bird603568: summary: You have choices. Until you try a choice (or find someone /in your area with your cable provider/ who has), you won't know whether it works. |
| [04:01:22] | iamlindoro: | And all these nice people are trying to explain your options, and everyone in the universe has told you there are no absolutes and nobody can guarantee you anything until you try |
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| [04:01:37] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Jinx! ;) |
| [04:01:48] | sphery: | iamlindoro: heh |
| [04:01:50] | SlicerDicer: | bird603568: firewire either works or it does not... pretty much thats the only way that your going to get HBO and crap like that in HD that I know of |
| [04:02:14] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: is there any other way to get the digital HD channels than firewire? |
| [04:02:14] | SlicerDicer: | I think if there was I would have attempted rofl |
| [04:02:14] | kormoc: | but given you only know it's digital cable and not if it's HD or not, firewire might not even be an option |
| [04:02:20] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer, nah, there isn't |
| [04:02:20] | sphery: | bird603568: basically, if you can't afford the trial-and-error process of determining what may work, you're probably better off getting the $6/mo cable-company DVR. |
| [04:02:29] | sphery: | (or dropping cable altogether) |
| [04:02:33] | bird603568: | well looks like i wasted 50$ on this server |
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| [04:02:39] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: likely he could go to comcraps site and check if HD was avaliable in his area |
| [04:02:42] | ** iamlindoro suggests we all buy Hauppauge HD-PVRs in a month and spend more time chasing the ladies ** | |
| [04:03:05] | SlicerDicer: | TIVO ftw!!! |
| [04:03:07] | ** SlicerDicer ducks ** | |
| [04:03:12] | iamlindoro: | What... a fucking... douche. |
| [04:03:48] | SlicerDicer: | iamlindoro hey I think I am going to get that firewire card... I did not know they were so cheap! |
| [04:03:53] | SlicerDicer: | something good came of it |
| [04:04:29] | iamlindoro: | I really *do* think it would be nice to add a command to MythLogBot to do the encryption explanations, format explanations, etc. |
| [04:04:34] | sphery: | iamlindoro: He was just taking his anger at his cable company and the current state of studio-rights over consumer-rights in the US out on us... :) |
| [04:04:56] | iamlindoro: | I can't even fathom how many times we've all probably explained Digital Capture, etc. |
| [04:05:18] | SlicerDicer: | I know first hand how cable companies lockdown the firewire |
| [04:05:25] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Yeah, and I think a large part of that was being a punk kid... but I'm a cynic. ;) |
| [04:05:27] | SlicerDicer: | as I moved from no encryption to partial |
| [04:05:34] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, it should be explained in the wiki and just linked to people |
| [04:05:36] | sphery: | funny thing is that the person to whom we're explaining always spends so much time re-typing the question that they don't have time to read all the good info |
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| [04:06:12] | SlicerDicer: | sphery: either that or incapable of reading? |
| [04:06:18] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: You're right, and in almost every case I guess it already is... but if you link people to the wiki they never read it, and then just reiterate the question, which only increases my blood pressure :) |
| [04:06:19] | SlicerDicer: | alright I am going to have a smoke after that |
| [04:06:20] | sphery: | that may be the case, too |
| [04:06:37] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer, thought you quit :P |
| [04:06:40] | sphery: | I definitely see the "never read the wiki" stuff |
| [04:06:46] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: I tried |
| [04:06:48] | SlicerDicer: | and failed |
| [04:06:52] | SlicerDicer: | its a multistep process |
| [04:07:00] | ** sphery wonders if it was really that good for SlicerDicer ** | |
| [04:07:10] | SlicerDicer: | no sphery I am stressed |
| [04:07:15] | sphery: | Oh. Oops |
| [04:07:16] | SlicerDicer: | I was yelling at my screen lol |
| [04:07:29] | SlicerDicer: | well not really but I wanted too |
| [04:08:04] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Noticed you submitted .21 to /., that is probably increasing our idiocy quotient in here |
| [04:08:29] | sphery: | I should go eat my dinner. It's 11:00pm and tonight's a short night (spring forward for DST) in the US |
| [04:08:41] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, heh, it was only a matter of time, last time we got posted, they didn't have all the please read docs links and the like, so figured it'd be better to have them in there then not |
| [04:09:23] | sphery: | I'm still surprised I haven't seen Chutt's announcement come over the lists... |
| [04:09:25] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Yup, not a bad summary, but of course the FIRST response is "duhhhhhhhh Where they get listings now duhhhhh? Zap2It gone MythTV bad duhhhh" |
| [04:09:58] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, it was chutt's announcement, I was actually saddened they removed the attribute to him and made it seem like it was fully mine |
| [04:10:15] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Thought it sounded familiar ;) |
| [04:11:07] | sphery: | have you ever seen Chutt and kormoc together? Doesn't kormoc look like Chutt without the glasses? |
| [04:11:09] | SlicerDicer: | iamlindoro scrape scrape scrape! hurr hurr hurr |
| [04:11:34] | SlicerDicer: | lol... actually my mythbox kinda died right around the time Zap2it went byebye |
| [04:11:46] | iamlindoro: | SlicerDicer: Ugh, good point, add to my list of proposed bot commands !payforyourlistingsyoucheapfuck |
| [04:11:50] | SlicerDicer: | sadly I have no idea whats wrong with it... |
| [04:12:15] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I like that one |
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| [04:12:50] | SlicerDicer: | I wish I knew what was wrong with my mythbox |
| [04:12:53] | SlicerDicer: | I figure its PSU |
| [04:13:04] | SlicerDicer: | as I plugged it in and powerswitch no workie |
| [04:13:11] | SlicerDicer: | then the bastard just turned on |
| [04:13:22] | iamlindoro: | sphery: "I'm too poor" doesn't hold much water with me when it's a nickel a day and these people are on the internet and preparing to install myth on expensive computers |
| [04:13:40] | DustyBin: | SlicerDicer: since you turned off your mythtv box i had to also turn off casino888.net |
| [04:13:51] | SlicerDicer: | ? |
| [04:13:55] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Yeah. And if they really can't affort SD, they shouldn't be wasting money on a Myth box (or cable TV for that matter ;) |
| [04:14:13] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, actually his was a p3 xeon ($50) box, he was bitching about how much the box cost |
| [04:14:27] | kormoc: | we never got around to the listings price :P |
| [04:14:38] | sphery: | lol |
| [04:14:39] | SlicerDicer: | lol |
| [04:14:44] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Well, in his defense he at least hadn't gotten to the point of bitching about listings yet... but only because he hadn't heard they cost anything :) |
| [04:14:45] | sphery: | that could have been another 30 minutes of fun |
| [04:15:33] | sphery: | I love the /. comment "if people didn't like Zap2It because the listings weren't free how does it help to replace it with another pay service?" |
| [04:15:42] | SlicerDicer: | hell for that matter we did not tell him that HD takes up multi-gb |
| [04:15:44] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Completely agreed... Free software is one thing, but this "I should get everything for free" entitlement nonsense doesn't wash with me. This is the real world, people work hard ot bring us listings, I am not above paying for a service that has value to me |
| [04:15:45] | SlicerDicer: | lol |
| [04:16:03] | SlicerDicer: | iamlindoro NO!! I WANT IT ALL FREE!!! |
| [04:16:10] | SlicerDicer: | unacceptable |
| [04:16:21] | sphery: | SlicerDicer: No joke. Storage is the real cost for HDTV. |
| [04:16:28] | SlicerDicer: | indeed sphery |
| [04:16:33] | iamlindoro: | SlicerDicer: I think they had people for that, but Lincoln freed them |
| [04:16:42] | SlicerDicer: | hahaha omg... |
| [04:17:06] | SlicerDicer: | please dont get me quoting blazing saddles |
| [04:17:09] | SlicerDicer: | ;-) |
| [04:17:23] | sphery: | I was trying to determine if information wanted to be free, but it never answered me. I asked it about a million times. |
| [04:17:28] | SlicerDicer: | sphery: I think my avg hd movie is like 10+gb |
| [04:17:33] | SlicerDicer: | cant check as my box is down |
| [04:18:05] | sphery: | SlicerDicer: Yeah. My low-bitrate channels are 4GB/hr and my high-bitrate channels are 8.5GB/hr. I'm averaging somewhere around 7GB/hr. |
| [04:18:09] | SlicerDicer: | so if you had a box that did not turn on would you think it was the PSU? |
| [04:18:16] | SlicerDicer: | I mean I dont see why the mobo would be dead |
| [04:18:23] | SlicerDicer: | and it turned on all by itself just bam |
| [04:18:41] | sphery: | because the PSU fried and sent a surge through the mobo, taking it out, too... :) |
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| [04:19:05] | SlicerDicer: | well the problem is... thats a 500watt psu |
| [04:19:12] | SlicerDicer: | my nearest PSU to that is 350 watt... |
| [04:19:21] | SlicerDicer: | I could not fire up all the disks with 350 watt |
| [04:19:25] | SlicerDicer: | so... |
| [04:19:40] | SlicerDicer: | I mean I supose I could test it just for posting |
| [04:19:51] | sphery: | I'm definitely not a good hardware person. I can only fix hardware issues because I have so many spare parts lying around that I eventually replace one and it starts working again... |
| [04:20:01] | SlicerDicer: | yeah I dont have much spare hardware left |
| [04:20:05] | SlicerDicer: | I gave it all away |
| [04:20:24] | kormoc: | is the +5v standby light on on the mobo? |
| [04:20:35] | sphery: | The opposite happens to me. I'm constantly being given everyone's old 14.4 modems, etc. |
| [04:20:36] | SlicerDicer: | I dont think there is one |
| [04:20:40] | SlicerDicer: | its gigabyte board kormoc |
| [04:20:44] | SlicerDicer: | my asus has that standby lite |
| [04:20:48] | sphery: | "I know you do a lot with computers, so I though you could use this." |
| [04:20:56] | sphery: | It's easiest just to say, "Oh, thanks." |
| [04:21:06] | SlicerDicer: | sphery: target practice? |
| [04:21:08] | kormoc: | Heh |
| [04:21:19] | sphery: | But, unfortunately, I now have tons of "hazardous waste" that I can't throw away. |
| [04:21:32] | SlicerDicer: | clay disks |
| [04:21:35] | SlicerDicer: | oops they are toxic |
| [04:21:36] | SlicerDicer: | lol |
| [04:21:39] | sphery: | and haven't made the time to take a truckload down to the electronics disposal facility |
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| [04:21:55] | SlicerDicer: | sphery: what is that? |
| [04:22:00] | SlicerDicer: | I thought garbage cans were acceptable |
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| [04:22:31] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: do all motherboards have the standby light? |
| [04:22:36] | iamlindoro: | Only if you don't plan to have kids (or don't care about them having fancy stuff like drinking water) |
| [04:22:38] | SlicerDicer: | and its undersomething I am not seeing? |
| [04:22:52] | SlicerDicer: | iamlindoro there is already toxins in the water here |
| [04:22:57] | kormoc: | uhh, most do at least, I don't recall not seeing one for a few years now |
| [04:23:04] | sphery: | SlicerDicer: Unfortunately, I came across http://earth911.org/ and now I'd feel guilty about using the trash can... |
| [04:23:08] | iamlindoro: | SlicerDicer: Oh, why didn't you say so? Let's set this bitch on FIRE, then! |
| [04:23:25] | SlicerDicer: | ohh shit spaceballs there goes the planet |
| [04:23:39] | kormoc: | sphery, Just find someone you don't like and dump them on the doorstep! |
| [04:23:52] | SlicerDicer: | and light it on fire |
| [04:23:55] | iamlindoro: | I plan to have behbehs someday and would like them to, whatsaword, breathe |
| [04:23:55] | sphery: | (though I think most of our "recycle now" programs are complete rubbish, I would like to keep some of these heavy metals out of the ground water in China) |
| [04:23:59] | SlicerDicer: | like the new who flung de poo but not |
| [04:24:06] | sphery: | kormoc: will have to try that... |
| [04:24:10] | sphery: | I have a few names in mind, too |
| [04:24:17] | SlicerDicer: | sphery: be sure to ignite it |
| [04:24:42] | sphery: | Oh, yeah. Those PCB's burn with such a nice aroma, too. |
| [04:24:50] | SlicerDicer: | haha |
| [04:24:58] | SlicerDicer: | ... sadly the smell never really goes away |
| [04:25:07] | ** SlicerDicer knows from experience ** | |
| [04:25:27] | sphery: | I tried to teach myself how to solder. Still haven't learned. |
| [04:25:40] | sphery: | but you're right about the smell |
| [04:25:45] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: will go look on the computator for the light |
| [04:26:09] | sphery: | this time, dinner, for real |
| [04:26:10] | sphery: | later |
| [04:26:15] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [04:31:43] | tgm4883_laptop: | i've read a few bug reports, and searched the list, but haven't found anything definitive relating to .21. I can successfully get my xbox 360 to play xvids from the mythvideo dir. But my recordings are showing up under music on my 360 (im assuming because it's labeled "recordings"). There were a few bug reports about this for .20.1, but nothing relating to this since I am having the problem on .21. Is there somethin |
| [04:31:44] | tgm4883_laptop: | g I should be looking for here? |
| [04:33:14] | GreyFoxx: | tgm4883_laptop: The music streaming to the 360 don't work currently |
| [04:33:26] | GreyFoxx: | I plan to have it working for 0.22 |
| [04:33:55] | GreyFoxx: | I had music showing up in there until a recent commit but didn't bother fixing it to show the mp3's since playback wouldn't work anyway yet |
| [04:34:45] | SlicerDicer: | well kormoc if there is a light I did not see it |
| [04:35:23] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer, I'd try that 350 ps and see if that gives a light or not |
| [04:35:32] | SlicerDicer: | ok got to powerdown this computer lol |
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| [04:36:15] | tgm4883_laptop: | GreyFoxx, well actually i was hoping to get the tv shows to play on the 360 |
| [04:36:48] | iamlindoro: | 360 won't play streamed Mpeg-2 or the NUV container |
| [04:36:52] | iamlindoro: | IIRC |
| [04:36:59] | tgm4883_laptop: | i've gotten them to play if I transcode them to xvid and put them in the mythvideo folder, but not in recordings |
| [04:37:04] | tgm4883_laptop: | correct |
| [04:37:29] | GreyFoxx: | tgm4883_laptop: Wont happen |
| [04:37:41] | GreyFoxx: | the 360 will not play mpeg2 video in the video player |
| [04:37:53] | tgm4883_laptop: | GreyFoxx, what wont happen? |
| [04:38:05] | GreyFoxx: | so I didn't bother making sure the recordings appeared in the list sent to the 360 |
| [04:38:14] | tgm4883_laptop: | GreyFoxx, ah |
| [04:38:14] | GreyFoxx: | tgm4883_laptop: You wont be abnle to play recordings on the 360 |
| [04:38:26] | tgm4883_laptop: | thats not exactly what im saying |
| [04:39:02] | GreyFoxx: | Then enlighten me :) |
| [04:39:06] | tgm4883_laptop: | i have a user job that converts the shows to xvid |
| [04:39:10] | GreyFoxx: | gotcha |
| [04:39:12] | GreyFoxx: | ok |
| [04:39:24] | tgm4883_laptop: | i know it wont do mpeg2 |
| [04:42:10] | tgm4883_laptop: | but it will do xvid and h264 |
| [04:42:11] | tgm4883_laptop: | so if the recordings folder would show up under videos on the 360, that would be great |
| [04:42:11] | tgm4883_laptop: | otherwise i'd have to have them all in the mythvideo dir, which as you can imagine, isn't a very good idea |
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| [04:42:29] | iamlindoro: | For 99% of Myth Users, though, that would present them with an unplayable folder on their 360 |
| [04:42:54] | tgm4883_laptop: | iamlindoro, you mean for 99% of myth users that have a 360 |
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| [04:43:07] | iamlindoro: | yes, that's what I mean. |
| [04:43:19] | iamlindoro: | Semantics aside, it's still true. |
| [04:43:24] | GreyFoxx: | tgm4883_laptop: Why is that not a good idea ? |
| [04:43:29] | CCFL_Man2: | remember sega channel? |
| [04:43:34] | GreyFoxx: | Most people using user transcode jobs it it that way |
| [04:43:45] | GreyFoxx: | But either way |
| [04:44:04] | tgm4883_laptop: | GreyFoxx, well they wouldn't show up on the frontend recordings then, or, it would cost twice as much HD space |
| [04:44:06] | GreyFoxx: | there is no way with teh current code to make the recordings list showup in the list since in the upnp video list |
| [04:44:28] | GreyFoxx: | transcode, delete from recordings, move to mythvideo |
| [04:44:45] | tgm4883_laptop: | right, thats one of the solutions im looking at |
| [04:44:46] | GreyFoxx: | but you would loose the menu to delete them again if you don't plan to archive them |
| [04:45:08] | tgm4883_laptop: | but if I do that, the other actual mythfrontends don't have access to the shows under watch recordings, right |
| [04:45:16] | GreyFoxx: | tgm4883_laptop: I plan on making it optional to make recordings appear under the upnp video list for 0.22, but for now its not there |
| [04:45:33] | tgm4883_laptop: | ah ok |
| [04:45:46] | GreyFoxx: | personally I find the 360 way too limiting a player to use it regularly |
| [04:45:46] | tgm4883_laptop: | sounds good then, but not for .21 :( |
| [04:45:54] | GreyFoxx: | no, but it will be in 0.22 |
| [04:46:12] | GreyFoxx: | I'm gonna do up a upnp config screen for all the various upnp options |
| [04:46:20] | tgm4883_laptop: | well it is pretty limited, but it's an easy sell for some users |
| [04:46:59] | GreyFoxx: | The loss of bookmarks is enough to ensure I wouldn't use it for recordings :) |
| [04:47:32] | tgm4883_laptop: | GreyFoxx, bookmarks, or commflagging? |
| [04:47:41] | GreyFoxx: | bookmarks |
| [04:47:46] | GreyFoxx: | I don't bother comflagging really |
| [04:47:51] | tgm4883_laptop: | no? |
| [04:47:58] | tgm4883_laptop: | i'm all about commflagging |
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| [04:49:48] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: psu = beef |
| [04:49:54] | SlicerDicer: | time to burn it on a neighbors porch |
| [04:52:57] | kormoc: | Sad, but least you know |
| [04:54:20] | SlicerDicer: | aye |
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| [05:14:46] | iamlindoro: | I'm never answering another questions in this room. From now on all my answers will be the following link: http://img.lineupui.silicondust.com/snapshots . . . _1819294.jpg |
| [05:15:32] | tgm4883_laptop: | sweet |
| [05:15:43] | tgm4883_laptop: | iamlindoro, should I run .20.2 or .21? |
| [05:15:57] | iamlindoro: | .21... why wouldn't you? |
| [05:16:14] | tgm4883_laptop: | i was just seeing if you were going to answer me with that link |
| [05:16:19] | tgm4883_laptop: | i'm already running .21 |
| [05:16:34] | iamlindoro: | In that case, http://img.lineupui.silicondust.com/snapshots . . . _1819294.jpg |
| [05:16:47] | tgm4883_laptop: | sweet, thanks |
| [05:16:47] | iamlindoro: | I think I actually made that face at that question |
| [05:16:56] | tgm4883_laptop: | lol |
| [05:18:59] | rhpot1991: | is there a way to make the upnp server refresh? |
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| [05:19:37] | tanner: | does anyone know of a good software (windows/linux/bsd) to convert m2ts to something more approriate yet still maintain as much quality as possible |
| [05:19:45] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx would know if there was another way, but I'm 90% certain it does so on a backend restart |
| [05:19:56] | iamlindoro: | m2ts is just a container, not a codec |
| [05:20:14] | rhpot1991: | it might just be the client being stupid about refreshing then |
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| [05:22:59] | tanner: | iamlindoro, fair enough, what could i do to convert it to a container/format easier to play? |
| [05:23:12] | iamlindoro: | rhpot1991: Also from looking at my backend log it does so automatically every 30 minutes |
| [05:23:26] | kormoc: | tanner, likely ffmpeg/mencoder can do it |
| [05:23:45] | iamlindoro: | tanner: You're not understanding-- there's no problem with the container that makes it had to play, it plays fine with mplayer, Myth internals, etc., your issue is probably with codecs |
| [05:23:45] | rhpot1991: | iamlindoro: well I tried to add a folder to the upnpmedia table, but it looks like restarting the backend deleted that on me |
| [05:24:22] | iamlindoro: | But since you're asking about m2ts, odds are you're dealing with a Blu-Ray rip and the real issue is probably the audio codecs, which mplayer must be patched to play properly |
| [05:25:01] | tanner: | iamlindoro, i am able to see video, and multiple audio streams (with ffmpeg -i) however with mplayer i can only play the french audio track. using -aid # just reports "no sound" from mplayer |
| [05:25:33] | iamlindoro: | tanner: Just because mplayer/ffmpeg thinks it *sees* audio tracks doesn't mean it's detecting them right-- like I said, regular mplayer has no support for HD audio codecs |
| [05:25:49] | iamlindoro: | It'll call all *sorts* of things liba52 that aren't really liba52 |
| [05:25:49] | tanner: | iamlindoro, i have the mplayer from your debs ;) |
| [05:26:07] | iamlindoro: | tanner: then are you using the correct -demuxer, -ac, and -aid settings? |
| [05:26:33] | tanner: | iamlindoro, probably not, i followed as best i could from your write up for mythtv |
| [05:26:39] | iamlindoro: | because even with my patched copies, you still need to explicitly state the demuxer, ac, and aid |
| [05:26:43] | iamlindoro: | what's the movie? |
| [05:27:03] | tanner: | pearl harbor |
| [05:27:18] | iamlindoro: | I should cut you off right now just for owning Pearl Harbor |
| [05:27:25] | kormoc: | Harsh |
| [05:27:30] | tanner: | i know i know, however! its a rental ;) |
| [05:27:32] | iamlindoro: | pastebin the output of ffmpeg -i yourmovie.m2ts |
| [05:28:12] | tanner: | http://pastebin.com/d34079f61 |
| [05:28:41] | iamlindoro: | tanner: Kind of looks like you haven't got a working codecs.conf |
| [05:29:11] | tanner: | iamlindoro i believe i have the codecs.conf file from your fileserver |
| [05:29:13] | iamlindoro: | did you install my ffmpeg also, or just the mplayer? |
| [05:29:33] | tanner: | iamlindoro as i recall, both |
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| [05:29:56] | knowledgejunkie: | advanced compilation options question – if --enable-proc-opts disables all other CPU-specific options, do you gain anything by ignoring --enable-proc-opts and specifying (for ex) --cpu=core2? |
| [05:30:08] | iamlindoro: | tanner: Looks like you didn't, that shows built on June 3 |
| [05:30:26] | iamlindoro: | Which is likely the default Ubuntu one |
| [05:30:41] | tanner: | iamlindoro what is the link to your debs? |
| [05:30:55] | kormoc: | knowledgejunkie, enable-proc-opts detects the cpu and sets the -cpu= and friends accordingly, so it shouldn't really make a difference if you set them by hand or use the auto ones |
| [05:31:14] | iamlindoro: | http://idisk.mac.com/r.mcnamara-Public?view=web |
| [05:31:18] | tanner: | ffmpeg_w_EAC3_MLP_amd64.deb ? |
| [05:31:30] | iamlindoro: | yup |
| [05:31:40] | tanner: | hmm, i have the deb still, perhaps it did not install correctly |
| [05:31:55] | tanner: | should i completely remove ffmpeg before running dpkg -i ? |
| [05:32:05] | iamlindoro: | Those debs have a 1-20–08 build date IIRC |
| [05:32:18] | iamlindoro: | possibly, it won't hurt to do so |
| [05:32:49] | ** iamlindoro thinks to mention he has a version built from a week ago but then thinks better of it ** | |
| [05:32:51] | knowledgejunkie: | kormoc: if I use --cpu=core2, MMX and CMOV are disabled. If I let it autodetect, it isn't – so I guess I'll keep --enable-proc-opts in my build script |
| [05:33:38] | tanner: | iamlindoro http://pastebin.com/d69806eff |
| [05:33:42] | kormoc: | knowledgejunkie, try --march= |
| [05:34:47] | kormoc: | knowledgejunkie, gcc under 4.3, core2's are nocona, 4.3+ is core2 |
| [05:35:20] | knowledgejunkie: | kormoc: thanks |
| [05:35:33] | iamlindoro: | tanner, ok, so you can try mplayer -fs -monitoraspect 16:9 -quiet -zoom -demuxer lavf -ac ffac3 -aid 1 -lavdopts threads=2:fast:skiploopfilter=all myfile.m2ts |
| [05:35:36] | kormoc: | although, pentium-m /might/ give better tuning in the tighter loops, but that's more of a guess |
| [05:35:40] | iamlindoro: | and if that doesn't work, the -aid 2 |
| [05:35:58] | iamlindoro: | and if *that* doesn't work, then it's one of the m2ts's that mplayer isn't demuxing properly yet |
| [05:36:39] | tanner: | iamlindoro its weird, when i try it like you gave me, i get no audio or video |
| [05:36:54] | tanner: | however mplayer -vo xv myfile.m2ts plays the french track and the video just fine :-\ |
| [05:37:09] | iamlindoro: | hmmm, it's possible the version of the debs you have require you to replace ffac3 with ffeac3 |
| [05:37:24] | iamlindoro: | It used to be ffeac3 until it was folder into ffac3 |
| [05:38:05] | iamlindoro: | anyway, like I said, if that doesn't work, then mplayer isn't ready to demux it properly yet, you'll have to check doom9 or something for windows demux/transcode tools |
| [05:38:13] | iamlindoro: | s/folder/folded/ |
| [05:39:26] | tanner: | hmm |
| [05:41:29] | tanner: | *shrug* |
| [05:42:37] | Deek: | okay, just to find out... do deinterlacing filters work on mythtranscode? And if so, can the ivtc filter actually drop frames? |
| [05:44:48] | tanner: | meh |
| [05:45:06] | knowledgejunkie: | kormoc: checked out 0.21-release and thought I'd try to optimise performance on my core2 test box. I read a post by Janne which stated you control --march with --cpu, so I guess it's the GCC option (even though GCC 4.1.2 has the core2 cputype) |
| [05:45:26] | iamlindoro: | Deek: I've never used mythtranscode to deinterlace, so I can't answer that, but in answer to your second question, the ivtc filter will behave exactly as it does in ffmpeg (whatever that behavior may be) since it's the ivtc from libavcodec |
| [05:46:07] | kormoc: | knowledgejunkie, ahh, I've been using nocona for my core2 install |
| [05:47:29] | iamlindoro: | Deek: My personal preference would be to use ffmpeg to do my transcoding rather than mythtranscode unless you had a particular reason not to |
| [05:47:57] | tanner: | stupid jackasses and their unwillingness to play nice with fair use rights |
| [05:48:27] | iamlindoro: | tanner: Your issue has nothing to do with fair use or any desire to limit it |
| [05:48:42] | tanner: | still, they could make it easier :) |
| [05:48:50] | iamlindoro: | tanner: They're new formats, new formats need to get implimented in players, and in linux, it ain't done |
| [05:49:07] | tanner: | i suppose so |
| [05:49:09] | iamlindoro: | heck, playing blu-ray sucks in *supported* platforms |
| [05:49:29] | tanner: | however at the moment, i really just want to encode it to a format my xbox will understand so i can play it on my tv |
| [05:50:02] | iamlindoro: | Like I said, look into MeGui and eac3to on windows |
| [05:50:30] | Deek: | iamlindoro: Well, I suppose I could do that, but it's kind of a pain in that I'm not particularly fond of "Video"s. |
| [05:50:30] | iamlindoro: | eac3to and xport can handle the demuxing and dumping of the audio formats to something usable, megui can handle the transcode/repackaging |
| [05:50:58] | tanner: | thank you, ill take a look into it |
| [05:51:16] | iamlindoro: | Deek: should be fairly easy to reimport it into Recordings if you wanted to |
| [05:52:03] | Deek: | I could do the transcoding in a user job and replace the recording file, but it'd be nicer if I didn't have to script it. :) |
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| [05:53:03] | iamlindoro: | May be necessary if you want to apply filters, though (or it may not be, but I think mythtranscode is more or less a few libavcodec features packaged up for simple myth use) |
| [05:53:45] | iamlindoro: | danielk or janneg would be the people to know for sure, though |
| [05:55:54] | clever: | i have a slave backend which i run for transcoding |
| [05:56:04] | clever: | how would i configure it to automaticaly shutdown 5mins after finishing jobs? |
| [05:56:53] | Deek: | scripting is rather annoying with my myth setup :) |
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| [06:08:49] | tjcarter: | clever: I'm working on that problem myself in my copious spare time |
| [06:09:05] | tjcarter: | clever: I'm not looking for a shutdown, I'm looking or an upgrade reboot |
| [06:09:07] | clever: | ahh |
| [06:09:30] | clever: | you could change the shutdown command to a script |
| [06:09:35] | clever: | which upgrades then shuts down |
| [06:09:36] | tjcarter: | I think it's easy enough for Intel-based systems to go into suitable powersave mode |
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| [06:09:59] | clever: | im netbooting my dads blazing fast laptop to handle 70% of my transcode jobs |
| [06:09:59] | tjcarter: | nono, I'm building a failure-resistant upgrade |
| [06:10:07] | clever: | which saves hours on my transcoding |
| [06:10:20] | clever: | but he doesnt want to have to shut it off in the morning when he needs it |
| [06:10:37] | clever: | so i need it to turn itself off when its idle(done transcoding) |
| [06:10:57] | tjcarter: | basically, upgrade happens in a second system partition when it happens, reboot is scheduled for first idle time when neither jobs, recordings, or usage is happening |
| [06:11:20] | clever: | im using a custom --prefix |
| [06:11:28] | tjcarter: | system reboots then into new system |
| [06:11:30] | clever: | which is allready on lvm |
| [06:11:35] | tjcarter: | if failure, reboot back into old system =D |
| [06:11:44] | clever: | seems simple to install to a diff prefix then it was built for |
| [06:11:50] | clever: | and then swap the 2 |
| [06:12:21] | clever: | but currently im just looking to shutdown when idle |
| [06:12:25] | clever: | (even when manualy started) |
| [06:12:28] | tjcarter: | system presently requires grub--I can't figure out how to do it with lilo |
| [06:12:31] | soweto76: | I have a problem with channel two for NTSC us-cable. All other channels look fine but 2 has interference-like problems. How do I track this down? |
| [06:12:51] | clever: | tjcarter: on one of the mythtv wiki's it mentions a special kernel which does nothing but shutdown |
| [06:12:56] | clever: | which you then reboot to |
| [06:13:21] | clever: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythwelcome#Lilo_Users_Only |
| [06:13:29] | tjcarter: | I'd need a kernel patch certainly so that the system reboots on panic |
| [06:13:48] | clever: | theres a kernel option for that allready |
| [06:14:15] | tjcarter: | er, there is? I must have missed it or failed to enable the options that enable it. |
| [06:14:36] | clever: | atleast i think there is |
| [06:14:46] | clever: | theres also a crash kernel |
| [06:14:57] | clever: | when it panics it kexec runs a 2nd kernel |
| [06:15:08] | clever: | which can then take a mem dump of the 1st and run normaly |
| [06:16:21] | clever: | http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Kernel_Panic_Reboot |
| [06:16:33] | clever: | ahhh |
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| [06:16:52] | clever: | that also perfectly explains what the panic=xxx timeout kernel arg is! |
| [06:16:52] | kormoc: | God damn it, I just killed my server |
| [06:17:12] | tjcarter: | well the idea is that you have system A and system B.. |
| [06:17:15] | clever: | tjcarter: you can either cat a number into a file OR just panic=123 to tell it how many sec to reboot after |
| [06:17:45] | tjcarter: | the grub menu for system A sets to boot system B next before booting system A |
| [06:18:03] | clever: | you can set the default in the menu for another |
| [06:18:14] | clever: | so when i tell it to boot A , it marks B as default |
| [06:18:15] | tjcarter: | then system A starts, kernel, userspace, tests inputs, etc. |
| [06:18:24] | clever: | and 5mins after bootup it can change the default back to A |
| [06:18:26] | tjcarter: | THEN it changes the menu to boot system A next time |
| [06:18:36] | tjcarter: | if ANYTHING breaks, it reboots into system B |
| [06:18:55] | clever: | might be better to just not break anything: |
| [06:18:55] | clever: | P |
| [06:19:07] | tjcarter: | anything short of major mysql corruption should mean your backend survives a nuclear winter =D |
| [06:19:26] | clever: | read the link i pasted to reboot after panic |
| [06:19:34] | tjcarter: | yeah I am looking at it |
| [06:19:43] | clever: | :) |
| [06:19:45] | tjcarter: | but panic is only one thing that can go wrong |
| [06:20:00] | clever: | minor userspace things can also be worked arround |
| [06:20:02] | tjcarter: | I'm looking at this as an appliance |
| [06:20:16] | kormoc: | Yeah, breaking the sata connector on your drive is another thing to go wrong... |
| [06:20:21] | clever: | if some program fails to start you can mark B as default and shutdown -r now |
| [06:20:28] | tjcarter: | which means if the end user needs to plug in a keyboard and mouse, something's wrong =D |
| [06:20:29] | kormoc: | you know |
| [06:20:30] | clever: | kormoc: grub wont even load then |
| [06:20:41] | kormoc: | sure it does |
| [06:20:43] | kormoc: | not the same drive |
| [06:20:47] | clever: | lol |
| [06:21:00] | clever: | why have 2 drives in a embeded type install? |
| [06:21:04] | tjcarter: | I'm looking to make sure it works if I screw up |
| [06:21:06] | kormoc: | you guys know that the linux HA project and ucarp/carp is designed for redundant systems like you are talking bout, right? |
| [06:21:13] | tjcarter: | if you screw up, your own damned fault =D |
| [06:21:23] | kormoc: | clever, my box can't really be called embedded |
| [06:21:40] | tjcarter: | If a user shots themselves in the foot, it's my job to make sure the bullet gets where it's going. |
| [06:21:41] | clever: | kormoc: then your going to put more work into it to go arround those things:P |
| [06:21:44] | kormoc: | clever, but os on flash memory with grub on the flash and all the storage on a drive is a common usage case |
| [06:21:56] | ** kormoc grumbles ** | |
| [06:22:00] | tjcarter: | kormoc: I'm thinking of Myth as an embedded appliance |
| [06:22:12] | ** clever goes off to sleep ** | |
| [06:22:31] | kormoc: | I have no idea how a damn sata connector can snap off when moving the cable slightly |
| [06:23:38] | tjcarter: | it can happen |
| [06:23:54] | kormoc: | Yeah, it just did to me, still, god damn it |
| [06:24:00] | kormoc: | 500 gb drive down the tubes |
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| [06:26:08] | tjcarter: | Ouch. |
| [06:26:19] | ** tjcarter wishes esata connectors were internal ** | |
| [06:26:27] | tjcarter: | they're generally a lot tougher |
| [06:26:36] | kormoc: | Thing is, this is on a 12" cable |
| [06:26:58] | kormoc: | I moved the middle (at the bend, around 6"s from the drive) over about 2 inches and it snapped off on the drive |
| [06:27:12] | kormoc: | that really shouldn't have caused it... |
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| [06:31:44] | mzb: | was probably pre-stressed |
| [06:31:52] | mzb: | (ie: about to go anyway) |
| [06:32:40] | kormoc: | Just pisses me off |
| [06:35:33] | Davo_Dinkum: | hey mythtv got /.'d |
| [06:35:41] | Davo_Dinkum: | you probably all know anyway |
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| [06:51:09] | Deek: | holy crap, g++ needs a TON of memory. |
| [06:51:38] | clever: | some files need over 100mb sometimes |
| [06:52:00] | clever: | with 64mb on hand they can take an hour to compile |
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| [06:53:45] | Deek: | I am so glad I hack in objc instead of C++ :) |
| [06:56:17] | kormoc: | takes a full gig and a half to compile here |
| [06:56:41] | Deek: | to compile myth? |
| [06:56:49] | kormoc: | aye |
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| [07:38:25] | FinnTux: | hello |
| [07:41:49] | cesman: | hello FinnTux |
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| [07:49:24] | FinnTux: | regarding IPTV recorder... is it possible to select certain program from multicast stream containing whole DVB-T multiplex? |
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| [07:50:13] | FinnTux: | dvbstream is doing the streaming |
| [08:00:59] | DGnome: | FinnTux: One solution is to multicast each PES-stream individually |
| [08:01:57] | FinnTux: | DGnome, yup. but I'm using dvbstream like that for other reasons. being able to that in mythtv would be nice bonus |
| [08:02:19] | DGnome: | sure |
| [08:03:19] | DGnome: | But the wole idea of ip-streaming something that mythtv natively already handles is a bit over the top |
| [08:03:33] | DGnome: | guess you have your reasons |
| [08:03:51] | FinnTux: | yup. especially now that multirec feature is there |
| [08:04:02] | DGnome: | <3 multirec |
| [08:04:19] | DGnome: | I just need more tuners and hdd I/O |
| [08:04:21] | DGnome: | :) |
| [08:04:55] | FinnTux: | I don't have time to watch all programs now – let alone if I had more tuners :) |
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| [08:05:25] | DGnome: | I'm on cable so I have more interesting muxes |
| [08:05:58] | Deek: | multirec — that's where you record a whole stream and can demux different channels? |
| [08:06:06] | FinnTux: | yes |
| [08:06:11] | DGnome: | FinnTux: where in the region do you live? |
| [08:06:24] | DGnome: | FinnTux: I see we have the same ISP |
| [08:06:25] | FinnTux: | DGnome, Finland |
| [08:06:30] | FinnTux: | ah |
| [08:06:43] | FinnTux: | Ähtäri |
| [08:07:03] | DGnome: | FinnTux: VLP sure is expanding |
| [08:07:22] | FinnTux: | actually I'm client of Kuuskaista and they are using VLP :) |
| [08:07:23] | Deek: | yeah, on cable here the local channels are all on two channels |
| [08:07:48] | DGnome: | FinnTux: oh, I'm located in Vaasa |
| [08:08:40] | FinnTux: | k |
| [08:09:49] | DGnome: | I'm getting the pleasure to test h.264 hd-channels with myth in the beginning of the week |
| [08:10:46] | DGnome: | unless VLP has fucked the stream up somehow |
| [08:10:59] | FinnTux: | nice |
| [08:11:21] | DGnome: | Canal+ FILM HD and sport hd |
| [08:11:32] | Dagmar: | Wow 0.21 really did come out then |
| [08:11:33] | Dagmar: | Nice |
| [08:11:36] | FinnTux: | I have kuuskaista's IPTV service and they should start HD broadcasting "soon" |
| [08:11:46] | DGnome: | FinnTux: nice |
| [08:12:01] | kormoc: | dagar, I also did a bit of arrangement of contrib in -trunk as well |
| [08:12:20] | DGnome: | FinnTux: can you watch your iptv with myth at all? |
| [08:12:22] | FinnTux: | they have one nice feature...system will store all programs for 7 days |
| [08:12:26] | defaultro: | hey folks, just saw this :) what does it mean "support for multiple recordings on one DVB/ATSC multiplex" |
| [08:12:43] | kormoc: | just that |
| [08:12:52] | DGnome: | FinnTux: that requires alot of powerful storage.. interesting |
| [08:12:52] | FinnTux: | I think I could but IPTV is in a different network |
| [08:13:02] | kormoc: | a multiplex can have multiple channels, and you can now record all those channels at once |
| [08:13:08] | defaultro: | does it mean, we can record more than 1 recording using single card? |
| [08:13:14] | FinnTux: | I've seen the server (SAN etc) |
| [08:13:17] | kormoc: | yes |
| [08:13:27] | FinnTux: | defaultro, yes |
| [08:13:29] | defaultro: | KORMOC, OMG OMG OMG :D you guys are the best |
| [08:13:36] | DGnome: | FinnTux: :o |
| [08:13:49] | defaultro: | i'll upgrade tomorrow |
| [08:14:04] | kormoc: | defaultro, but only dvb/atsc cards, not analog ones |
| [08:14:13] | defaultro: | yes |
| [08:14:17] | defaultro: | which is better for me :) |
| [08:14:27] | DGnome: | defaultro: and only channels that are on the same mux |
| [08:14:35] | defaultro: | ok |
| [08:14:50] | defaultro: | 5.1, 5.2 and 5.3 right |
| [08:14:51] | Anduin: | check your multiplexes before getting too excited, you may be able to record NBC and NBC Weather Plus |
| [08:14:52] | defaultro: | sub channels |
| [08:15:14] | defaultro: | got it |
| [08:15:32] | DGnome: | A global max recordings option would be nice though |
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| [08:16:36] | DGnome: | I have two tuners, 4 recordings max per tuner and that could result in 8 simultaneus as a worst case scenario |
| [08:16:49] | defaultro: | k |
| [08:17:17] | DGnome: | One ahrddrive may be too little for 8 recordings, depending on bitrate |
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| [08:26:07] | orthoevra: | cani pass a command to mythfrontend to open mythtv in a specific location on the screen? like mythfrontend -geometry=640x400 -x=250 y=300 |
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| [08:30:35] | DGnome: | FinnTux: vdr + streamdev-server might be ans answer to your problem, if you can substitute dvbstream with vdr that is. By locking vdr to tune certain muxes you can then stream those muxes with streamdev plugin and create a playlist that contains URL:s to the separate PES-streams or ehatever you tell streamdev-server to stream out |
| [08:31:12] | DGnome: | FinnTux: mythtv ip-recorder should be able to handle that |
| [08:31:43] | FinnTux: | DGnome, actually I'm already trying the same with vlc |
| [08:32:02] | FinnTux: | DGnome, but since it is not a real problem, I don't think I'm gonna sweat with it |
| [08:33:49] | orthoevra: | nvm i figured it out |
| [08:36:33] | DGnome: | FinnTux: mkay :) |
| [08:38:59] | FinnTux: | somebody should write a driver that makes udp multicast appear as DVB device |
| [08:40:23] | DGnome: | FinnTux: yup |
| [08:40:48] | FinnTux: | I would be surprised if there already were such a beast somewhere |
| [08:40:52] | FinnTux: | wouldn't* |
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| [09:24:54] | DiggThis: | does anyone know about not being able to schedule and losing live tv what does that mean? |
| [09:27:55] | tank-man: | means you have a problem |
| [09:28:15] | tank-man: | probably no tv tuner/capture card |
| [09:28:37] | tank-man: | updated a kernel? |
| [09:28:45] | DiggThis: | in backend it seems fine |
| [09:29:03] | DiggThis: | weird stuff |
| [09:29:43] | tank-man: | is there a file in /dev for your tv card? |
| [09:30:24] | DiggThis: | dont think so but there is one in lib/firmware though |
| [09:32:45] | DiggThis: | thx anyway tank-man |
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| [09:41:28] | Deek: | Woo! Finally got my LCD panel to go native! |
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| [09:42:31] | Deek: | 1366x768 on a Westinghouse SK-32H240S: |
| [09:42:46] | Deek: | Modeline "1368x768" 73.250 1368 1408 1440 1496 768 771 776 816 +hsync -vsync |
| [09:43:37] | shiznix: | alrighty, tried 0.21 and it's still not HDTV ready, jitters with "prebuffering pause" are ever present |
| [09:43:53] | shiznix: | the higher the res. + bitrate, the worse it is :( |
| [09:44:02] | cesman: | Deek: the place for that is the wiki ;) |
| [09:45:07] | shiznix: | XvMC reduces the jitters considerably, but it's still unwatchable on streams greater than 1440x1088, 15200 kb/s |
| [09:48:12] | shiznix: | is there somewhere where the pre-buffer can be set as it seems the playback is catching up with the input stream writing to disk then waiting for more data |
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| [09:51:34] | tank-man: | what kind of video is giving you stutters? |
| [09:51:42] | tank-man: | mpeg2? |
| [09:52:09] | shiznix: | yes, mpeg2 |
| [09:52:48] | Deek: | cesman: Not when it takes ten minutes just to get to editing. |
| [09:53:36] | cesman: | so much for giving back... |
| [09:54:10] | shiznix: | tank-man: 1920x1080, 90000 kb/s |
| [09:55:07] | Deek: | Hey, I'm all for giving back — that's why I'm jumping through the stupid hoops. |
| [09:55:18] | Deek: | Doesn't make them any less stupid. |
| [09:55:26] | tank-man: | i'm still in the stone age with sdtv :) |
| [09:55:37] | cesman: | <Deek> cesman: Not when it takes ten minutes just to get to editing. |
| [09:55:43] | cesman: | your words, not mine... |
| [09:56:02] | Deek: | And yet, I could tell you how long it took... |
| [09:56:21] | shiznix: | tank-man: yep, SD works a treat |
| [09:56:27] | shiznix: | but i so want it all :) |
| [09:57:03] | cesman: | from your statement, it sounds liked you wouldn't/didn't bother |
| [09:57:22] | cesman: | but from what you are saying, it sounds like you did do it... |
| [09:58:23] | kormoc: | shiznix, you sure your processor is fast enough? If it's just waiting for disk writing io, pause the stream for say 5 seconds and then play and it should be smooth |
| [09:58:33] | Deek: | cesman: Less patient people than I wouldn't. That's what I'm saying. |
| [09:58:58] | cesman: | you certainly have a round about way of stating things ;) |
| [09:59:29] | kormoc: | Deek, you must be on super slow internet to take 10 minutes to click the edit link on the wiki |
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| [10:00:02] | shiznix: | kormoc: specs are an AMD Athlon 2800+ XP with 1GB RAM, i'll try the pause method |
| [10:02:02] | kormoc: | shiznix, sadly, that is lower speced then the lowest reported 1080/720 machines on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HD_Playback_Reports |
| [10:02:36] | Deek: | kormoc: Step 1; hit edit link. Step 2. Read the page that says you have to login. Step 3. Create account. Step 4. Go back to page you want to edit. Step 5. Hit edit link again. Step 6. read the page that says creating an account wasn't enough, you have to confirm your email address. Step 7. Go to Preferences, and hit "Confirm email address". Step 8. wait for your email. Step 9. click the link in the email. Step 10. hit edit link. |
| [10:02:36] | Deek: | Step 11. edit page. |
| [10:03:02] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [10:03:07] | kormoc: | you only have to do that once |
| [10:03:24] | Deek: | Most people will only _edit_ once or twice. |
| [10:04:17] | kormoc: | you are surprisingly close to the real stats |
| [10:04:58] | kormoc: | 2.08501677 edits per person currently |
| [10:05:46] | Deek: | it's not that surprising, that's the average everywhere. |
| [10:06:12] | kormoc: | Honestly, i rather that then have viagra plastered everywhere |
| [10:07:19] | shiznix: | kormoc: indeed, however the stream is handled fine in xine with zero stutter, even without the use of XvMC |
| [10:08:11] | shiznix: | kormoc: i only mention xine as it is also using libavformat/libavcodec as is mythtv, i know mythtv has a lot more going on in the background |
| [10:08:35] | kormoc: | 30% overhead is the last stats I seem to recall hearing |
| [10:08:50] | shiznix: | which is why i'm of the thought that simply increasing the buffer would remedy for myth |
| [10:10:33] | shiznix: | ok, i'm off to play with pausing the stream |
| [10:10:47] | kormoc: | g'luck |
| [10:16:40] | Deek: | OK, 2.19.2 in the modeline db. :) |
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| [10:26:47] | cesman: | Deek: thanks! |
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| [10:32:37] | Deek: | it seems to look way better now. |
| [10:32:58] | Deek: | Of course, the TV's not doing any scaling any more. |
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| [10:51:41] | FinnTux: | DVD playing doesn't work in 0.21 :( |
| [10:52:22] | FinnTux: | frontend just crashes |
| [10:54:30] | cesman: | interesting |
| [10:54:42] | cesman: | FinnTux: you're the second person that I've seen state that... |
| [10:54:51] | cesman: | I just tested that and it works fine here |
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| [10:55:49] | Deek: | btw, that zoom patch rules. |
| [10:55:51] | FinnTux: | ok. I'm gonna test in another machine too |
| [10:58:00] | FinnTux: | how about 2->5.1 upmixing? my amp has analog 5.1 input and it seems to work. front and rear volume levels are much more quiet than center/LFE. |
| [10:58:35] | FinnTux: | real 5.1 material works though |
| [11:02:11] | FinnTux: | bummer. fronent crashes on other computer too |
| [11:06:04] | FinnTux: | cesman, what distro, kernel, xorg, grpahics card you use? |
| [11:07:45] | FinnTux: | well, I guess I need to wait for dust to settle after 0.21 release... |
| [11:11:35] | Dibblah: | Or... Report the problem with a backtrace and maybe get it fixed...? |
| [11:12:51] | rooaus: | FinnTux: See http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4897#comment:1 |
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| [11:14:37] | FinnTux: | rooaus, thanks. I have that DB problem too. so I'll wait |
| [11:14:49] | rooaus: | FinnTux: Are you compiling from source? |
| [11:14:53] | FinnTux: | yes |
| [11:15:47] | rooaus: | You could try reverting the change (r16434) locally if you wanted. |
| [11:16:57] | FinnTux: | that can be done easily? |
| [11:17:10] | FinnTux: | cos it's not a problem for me to wait |
| [11:17:41] | Dibblah: | FinnTux: Easiest way is to take the patch from the changeset in Trac, and apply it locally. |
| [11:18:18] | rooaus: | FinnTux: See http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.4/svn-book.h . . . monuses.undo or as Dibblah said. |
| [11:18:23] | Dibblah: | It'll figure out it's a reversed patch, and apply it. |
| [11:20:11] | FinnTux: | so svn does it? no need to use patch command? |
| [11:21:33] | rooaus: | FinnTux: Yeah, it is just a fancy use of the merge feature, you essentially merge a reverse range. |
| [11:22:13] | Dibblah: | Of course, that all assumes that the changeset is isolated. |
| [11:22:32] | Dibblah: | ... And nothing else touches those areas of that file afterwards. |
| [11:22:58] | rooaus: | Dibblah: True, and that may not be the case on trunk. |
| [11:24:06] | FinnTux: | svn merge -c -16434 http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-21-fixes/mythtv <- like this. at least it updated >10 files |
| [11:25:04] | Dibblah: | All U lines? |
| [11:25:09] | FinnTux: | yup |
| [11:25:17] | Dibblah: | Try a compile, then :) |
| [11:25:24] | FinnTux: | already doing that... |
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| [11:29:13] | FinnTux: | cool. that worked |
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| [11:31:16] | directhex: | new release! |
| [11:31:23] | directhex: | whilei was sleeping, apparently |
| [11:33:06] | FinnTux: | any idea when that DVD problem will be fixed? |
| [11:33:26] | FinnTux: | I'm just wondering should I reverse patch my main system or wait... |
| [11:38:46] | rooaus: | FinnTux: I suspect it will get some attention soon, depends on when you need/want to watch a dvd on your main system I guess :) |
| [11:40:33] | FinnTux: | rooaus, hehe. I don't need it but I need to figure out how to tell the kids that they can't watch DVDs :) |
| [11:40:49] | FinnTux: | but anyways. thanks for the fix. it works |
| [11:41:40] | rooaus: | np |
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| [11:56:02] | ultradj83: | hi huys! I'm trying to use mythtv on a Suse 10.3 x64. Now I have just removed the entire mythtv and its home folder, because any time I try to use it, it shows me the configuration screen, that quits. I'm now going to reinstall it via rpm, what should I do after package installation? |
| [11:56:51] | hnitsuj: | reading some docs is always a great idea _before_ installing mythtv |
| [11:58:12] | ultradj83: | hnitsuj: can you gently link me? |
| [11:58:35] | nomats: | i have Terratec C PCI cable card, ubuntu 7.10 and mythtv 0.20. i'm trying to use the channel scanner in mythtv-setup to scan for channels but i'm able to get them from only one multiplex. all the other ones give the message "SDT: Error determing what transport this service table is associated with so failing" |
| [11:59:35] | nomats: | i checked out the source and it seems that this is because db_mplexid == -1. |
| [12:02:58] | nomats: | any ideas how to fix this? |
| [12:05:15] | hnitsuj: | ultradj83: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=mythtv+suse for starters |
| [12:07:02] | directhex: | hnitsuj, hm. d'you know whether GreyFoxx's upnp improvements failed to make it into 0.21? |
| [12:07:09] | hnitsuj: | directhex: no idea sorry |
| [12:08:07] | directhex: | i'm still getting all the same problems i reported a while back (weird folder attachment issues w/ mythvideo on ps3; "corrupt data" issues w/ recordings on ps3) and i thought he'd fixed them |
| [12:08:41] | hnitsuj: | I'd guess they didn't make in that case |
| [12:10:41] | directhex: | if i can track down the ticket numbers, i can petition superm1 to include the patches in ubuntu builds. assuming they weren't excluded for being horribly broken |
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| [12:14:34] | DustyBin: | anyone get mythmovies working in the UK? |
| [12:15:01] | DustyBin: | or this another one of those american plugins, like netflix |
| [12:16:21] | hnitsuj: | americanos |
| [12:16:51] | hnitsuj: | it uses external scripts IIRC – all it needs is a UK-centric script. thanks for volunteering ;) |
| [12:17:29] | ** DustyBin country oriented plug-ins shouldnt be in mythtv official plugins ** | |
| [12:17:31] | directhex: | hm, it ought to be fine. this is Odd. |
| [12:18:31] | hnitsuj: | DustyBin: bah who cares about the UK anyway? |
| [12:19:00] | DustyBin: | not just the UK, the whole world apart from US |
| [12:19:11] | hnitsuj: | bah what rest of world? |
| [12:19:17] | DustyBin: | lol |
| [12:20:01] | DustyBin: | the actual mythtv code now is serious stuff, lots and lots of features |
| [12:20:21] | DustyBin: | and its now stable more or less |
| [12:20:31] | hnitsuj: | aye plenty lots of people have no need of :) |
| [12:20:49] | DustyBin: | i dont think mythtv needs anymore features or it has the risk of getting bloated |
| [12:21:31] | DustyBin: | however, i do think the 'offical' mythtv themes are the weakest link |
| [12:21:59] | hnitsuj: | bah who cares about themes? |
| [12:22:46] | DustyBin: | the linux world has a lot of top intelligent geeks but not enough artworkers |
| [12:22:58] | DustyBin: | and the results you can see with mythtv |
| [12:23:35] | hnitsuj: | not just linux – you should see the state of most mediaportal & snapstream PVR skins – not to mention XBMC skins. there's an awful lot of dross around |
| [12:24:01] | DustyBin: | eek |
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| [12:26:09] | DustyBin: | future concentrations should be, making all the features what are already there even more solid, stable and faster, mythtv artwork. Have a re-think about packaged plugins, like mythmovies, and netflix, mythphone (who uses that?) |
| [12:27:14] | directhex: | DustyBin, talk is cheap. g++ is that way --> |
| [12:27:27] | DustyBin: | g++ ? |
| [12:27:34] | hnitsuj: | people concentrate on the stuff they want to do, nothing more |
| [12:27:57] | hnitsuj: | and when somebody decides they no longer want to do something... |
| [12:28:17] | DustyBin: | maybe mythtv.org should set up a pole regarding the most used plugins |
| [12:28:29] | DustyBin: | and favourite themes |
| [12:28:34] | hnitsuj: | I don't think they should, or would |
| [12:28:46] | hnitsuj: | it's not a democracy |
| [12:28:54] | DustyBin: | ok |
| [12:29:21] | hnitsuj: | users have the right to report bugs properly & submit patches |
| [12:29:47] | DustyBin: | ok |
| [12:30:47] | DustyBin: | what other PVRs out there can do what mythtv can do? |
| [12:31:04] | hnitsuj: | anyway packagers can decide what goes in, which defaults are what & such |
| [12:31:12] | hnitsuj: | DustyBin: none on linux |
| [12:31:20] | DustyBin: | what about non-linux |
| [12:31:33] | Deek: | Well, the US *is* the third most populous nation in the world... :) |
| [12:32:14] | directhex: | DustyBin, none have the same feature set. most people only want an htpc to watch warez though, and many apps do that |
| [12:32:17] | hnitsuj: | mediaportal, but YMMV there. I found it clunky |
| [12:33:03] | DustyBin: | if any of them run on windows then they are instantly doomed |
| [12:33:21] | directhex: | what, you want non-linux but non-windows? |
| [12:33:25] | hnitsuj: | plenty MP users are happy |
| [12:33:32] | directhex: | how big do you think the market is for BeOS media centers? O_o |
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| [12:35:54] | Deek: | DustyBin: just keep in mind that coders don't really care what you, or really anyone else, think(s). :) |
| [12:36:23] | DustyBin: | aye i know, that was just my 2 pence worth :P |
| [12:37:20] | hnitsuj: | even without mythtv's non-tv features, there's not a standalone in the world that can hold a handle to mythtv's scheduling & playback trick power |
| [12:37:32] | hnitsuj: | s/handle/candle |
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| [12:39:59] | DustyBin: | mythweb is really fast and smooth |
| [12:40:55] | hnitsuj: | even without taking mythweb into account, even without the client/server part of it |
| [12:41:22] | ** DustyBin begins porting mythtv over to qt4 ** | |
| [12:41:36] | sphery: | DustyBin: use the port that CDev started... ;) |
| [12:42:06] | DustyBin: | 2 big things happening this year, mythtv .21 and kde 4 |
| [12:42:13] | DustyBin: | kde 4.1 |
| [12:42:20] | Deek: | heh... "will free 5816KB, 380MB to download" |
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| [12:45:39] | hnitsuj: | kde.. pfft. with its soon to be integrated linuxmce :-\ |
| [12:46:07] | DustyBin: | yuk |
| [12:46:14] | sphery: | I don't know... LinuxMCE had a "marketing" video. MythTV never did one. |
| [12:46:28] | sphery: | So, it must be better. |
| [12:46:42] | hnitsuj: | sphery: I've done a few so far for showing at expos |
| [12:46:55] | hnitsuj: | need to knock up a new one at some point |
| [12:46:58] | sphery: | Oh, yeah. That makes sense. I never saw any of them. |
| [12:47:12] | hnitsuj: | they weren't suitable for the web |
| [12:47:15] | sphery: | Of course, I was already sold on Myth... |
| [12:47:42] | hnitsuj: | mythtv.org mostly preaches to the converted. nobody is yet in the business of 'selling' mythtv |
| [12:48:00] | sphery: | Yeah, web size/bitrate requirements kind of take a lot away. Even the LinuxMCE "high bandwidth" one was poor quality. |
| [12:48:17] | hnitsuj: | look at elisa – they sold me on the first view of the webpage – pity the app doesn't live up to it |
| [12:49:08] | hnitsuj: | sphery: there's a copy of one of my vids lying around somewhere |
| [12:49:36] | sphery: | Doesn't live up to the promises? Interesting. I never looked at it since it doesn't record. |
| [12:49:45] | sphery: | I'll have to look that up. |
| [12:50:34] | hnitsuj: | sphery: crashy crashy last time I used it, plus the ui stank like sewer |
| [12:50:39] | sphery: | Isn't elisa somewhat non-free? |
| [12:50:42] | Deek: | If myth needed KDE, I'd be stuck looking for something else. |
| [12:51:02] | DustyBin: | i wiped every single trace of mythtv |
| [12:51:02] | hnitsuj: | Deek: so be glad :) |
| [12:51:10] | DustyBin: | re-downloaded the source code, compiled |
| [12:51:11] | sphery: | Deek: Only MythBrowser needs KDE. Therefore, I don't use MythBrowser. :) |
| [12:51:22] | DustyBin: | when i launch mythtv-setup, it says do i want to upgrade the database? |
| [12:51:38] | DustyBin: | however, i deleted the database and replaced it with mysql -u root < mc.sql |
| [12:51:40] | sphery: | (And, the lack of MythBrowser makes MythNews basically useless, so...) |
| [12:52:16] | sphery: | DustyBin: say yes. It's just saying the "version" you have is older than the required version (where the required version actually has some tables defined ;) |
| [12:52:54] | DustyBin: | sphery: i deleted the database and replaced it with mysql -u root < mc.sql before i done anything? |
| [12:53:04] | DustyBin: | unless mc.sql is old? |
| [12:53:09] | sphery: | DustyBin: I'm doing a database restore script right now, so I'll have to delete my DB a few times in testing. When I do, I'll improve the UI around new installs. |
| [12:53:24] | sphery: | DustyBin: mc.sql only creates the DB, it does /not/ create the DB schema. |
| [12:53:29] | DustyBin: | aye ok |
| [12:53:33] | sphery: | You have a DB with no tables (check it with mysql client) |
| [12:54:11] | Deek: | sphery: mythnews is nice for the video feeds. :) |
| [12:54:27] | sphery: | It's basically a "CREATE DATABASE mythconverg;" with a few other required things (like encoding, permissions, etc.) |
| [12:54:57] | sphery: | Deek: can you actually use those without MythBrowser? |
| [13:01:31] | PatrikH: | Is it possible to go from 0.21-trunk to 0.21-stable some easy way ? (asked before how to move from trunk to stable and got the answer that i hade to wait flr 0.21 to get stable) |
| [13:03:51] | rooaus: | PatrikH: Are you compiling from source? |
| [13:04:59] | PatrikH: | yes |
| [13:05:36] | PatrikH: | But i don´t mind switching to .deb´s if that is tha case (Running Ubuntu 7.10) |
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| [13:06:50] | rooaus: | You should be able to "svn switch" to the 0.21 fixes branch, atm 0.21 fixes should be at the schema version as trunk (unless I missed something). |
| [13:07:52] | PatrikH: | ok, how do i do that ? Is there a I´m-in-way-over-my-head guide someware ? |
| [13:12:37] | rooaus: | You could move to binary packages if you wanted (when your distro of choice makes them available) as well. But assuming you wanted to keep compiling yourself it should be as simple as "svn switch http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-21-fixes/mythtv mythtv" |
| [13:15:26] | rooaus: | PatrikH: Without getting overly complicated, you should switch the top level of you svn checkout. |
| [13:15:44] | rooaus: | s/you/your |
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| [13:16:44] | PatrikH: | hmm, ok |
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| [13:22:57] | DustyBin: | 2008-03–09 13:20:43.430 Expiring 13 MBytes for 1002 @ Sun Mar 9 12:15:00 2008 => EastEnders |
| [13:24:15] | AndyCap: | 13mb? eastenders in stamp-size? |
| [13:24:58] | FinnTux: | millibits? |
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| [13:27:10] | DustyBin: | ian beale <3 |
| [13:27:29] | DustyBin: | he looks better on .21 |
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| [13:30:36] | PatrikH: | got a telephoe call, but now im back. I have mythtv and mythplugins in my src-folder, doing the svn switch thing on thouse two and then configure/make ? |
| [13:30:56] | rooaus: | DustyBin: That would be a short (<2 mins) livetv recording expiring I suspect. |
| [13:31:17] | BamieaterX: | hello, I have a question. We have installed the back and frontend, but when running the frontend we get an error: "the input device is in use, please check your recordings..", but it's a clean install and I don't know how to check what is using the tuner |
| [13:32:14] | hitme: | hello, can any1 help me please, i am out of ideas ;) i updated to the 21 fixes and now mythweb can'T get access to db anymore |
| [13:32:19] | rooaus: | PatrikH: Sounds right |
| [13:32:56] | PatrikH: | Ok, will give it a try. |
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| [13:35:34] | BamieaterX: | and it was possible to scan the scannels.. |
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| [13:37:19] | PatrikH: | rooaus: Hmm, got the following: is not the same repository as |
| [13:37:20] | PatrikH: | 'http://cvs.mythtv.org/svn' |
| [13:37:28] | antiPosix: | it started off happening once a week, not it happens about 5 times a day: "Connection to the master backend has gone away. Is it still up?" |
| [13:37:36] | rooaus: | BamieaterX: lsof might help, grep the output for the device. |
| [13:37:36] | PatrikH: | Did i do something stupid the first time ? |
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| [13:38:54] | rooaus: | PatrikH: Ah, easiest way is to change the url used to http://cvs.mythtv.org/... instead of http://svn.mythtv.org |
| [13:39:40] | PatrikH: | Gah, of cource...ry |
| [13:39:44] | PatrikH: | sry |
| [13:40:23] | antiPosix: | if I cycle mythfrontend, all is well again |
| [13:40:49] | antiPosix: | for a few hours at least, until the dreaded "Conncetion to the master backend has gone away" |
| [13:41:19] | PatrikH: | rooaus: This can´t be right, can it ? |
| [13:41:20] | PatrikH: | svn: Won't delete locally modified directory 'mythtv/programs' |
| [13:41:20] | PatrikH: | svn: Left locally modified or unversioned files |
| [13:42:11] | rooaus: | PatrikH: You have local edits/patches by the sound of it. |
| [13:42:43] | BamieaterX: | rooaus: I grepped on video0 and video1 when running and not running the frontend, but no output |
| [13:43:59] | rooaus: | BamieaterX: I had to do it as root |
| [13:44:08] | BamieaterX: | k |
| [13:45:15] | PatrikH: | I have no memories of editing files there, is there an override ? |
| [13:45:59] | BamieaterX: | rooaus: still no video0 or video1 devices in the output of lsof |
| [13:47:53] | rooaus: | PatrikH: You can "svn -R revert mythtv" to revert any local changes then try switching again |
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| [13:50:13] | PatrikH: | rooaus: svn: Directory 'mythtv/programs/mythuitest/.svn' containing working copy admin area is missing |
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| [13:54:07] | rooaus: | PatrikH: You may be better off deleting your working copy (just to be safe) and checking it out again. Shouldn't actually need to do that but it may be easier. |
| [13:54:11] | blackest: | anyone familiar with this new xorg in hardy |
| [13:55:46] | PatrikH: | rooaus: Ok, just svn co, configure,make,make install ? Or do i do make upgrade or something ? |
| [13:55:54] | rooaus: | BamieaterX: I would guess nothing has your card open then. |
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| [13:57:00] | rooaus: | PatrikH: Yes, mythbackend or mythtv-setup will do the db upgrade when you run it the first time... so no separate make upgrade needed. |
| [13:57:17] | PatrikH: | ok, thanks |
| [13:58:04] | PatrikH: | Gonna see if mythbuntus weeakly builds are applyable to normal ubuntu first. Might be easier to use for me ;) |
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| [13:59:13] | BamieaterX: | rooaus: I tried this command: 'mythtv /dev/video0' now I get some white noise |
| [13:59:50] | ultradj83: | hnitsuj: just installed following the guide. now how can I launch it? |
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| [14:01:07] | rooaus: | PatrikH: Yeah, no need to build from source unless you want to. |
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| [14:08:00] | FinnTux: | any hints how to make upmixed front and rear channels louder? |
| [14:08:36] | FinnTux: | when I watch 2 channel program I get decent sound only from center and LFE |
| [14:09:24] | FinnTux: | speaker-test work correctly |
| [14:11:33] | FinnTux: | I have amp with analog 5.1 input |
| [14:15:00] | PatrikH: | rooaus: oh, another Q: If i´m moving to binarys, how do i remove the old installation? |
| [14:15:56] | rooaus: | BamieaterX: I need to head off to bed, but you need to confirm you have a working tuner card before trying it in myth. Maybe try xawtv or similar then make sure the user running mythbackend can access the device (correct group membership, permissions etc). |
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| [14:19:35] | rooaus: | PatrikH: I manually remove the installed files, check /usr/local/bin /usr/local/share/mythtv /usr/local/lib. If we hadn't messed with the compile dir a make uninstall would have removed most of it |
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| [14:22:14] | PatrikH: | i did do a cp -r before with messed with it |
| [14:24:53] | rooaus: | PatrikH: Cool, then a make uninstall from the plugins then mythtv dirs should get most of it. I would still check the locations I mentioned though (if you used the default prefix), just to be sure. |
| [14:25:40] | PatrikH: | ok, will try it out, Thanks and happy dreams |
| [14:25:57] | rooaus: | night |
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| [14:53:10] | bradd: | is anyone able to successfully play dvds in the latest svn trunk ? |
| [14:53:15] | bradd: | using internal player |
| [14:53:28] | bradd: | it keeps segfaulting on me |
| [14:55:12] | jams: | bradd- some can some can't |
| [14:55:49] | bradd: | some dvds or some people? |
| [14:55:55] | jams: | bradd- if your up to it try reverting back to 16431 |
| [14:56:18] | jams: | bradd- for me some dvd's work while others don't |
| [14:56:22] | bradd: | that shouldnt be an issue..so i take it this dvd thing is a known bug then? |
| [14:56:34] | jams: | for some people no dvd's work |
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| [14:56:49] | jams: | bradd- yes one of the devs was looking at it. |
| [14:56:54] | bradd: | cool thanks |
| [14:57:11] | bradd: | i'll try reverting to 16431 |
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| [14:57:39] | jams: | <GreyFoxx> Ok, it looks like 16434 is what is causing all all my attempted DVD playback to crash my frontend |
| [14:57:39] | jams: | <GreyFoxx> 16431 plays fine, 16434 pukes :) |
| [14:59:59] | bradd: | thanks..my wife is about to strangle me because she cant watch any dvds :P |
| [15:00:14] | bradd: | that..or make me go out and buy a new dvd player.. |
| [15:00:50] | jams: | bradd- i was in the middle of watching a dvd and decided to take a break to update myth. After updating the dvd would no longer play |
| [15:01:06] | jams: | ended up using the ps3 to finish |
| [15:01:16] | bradd: | hehe |
| [15:01:18] | bradd: | same with me last night |
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| [15:14:25] | Aval0n: | *ehem* I'de just like to start off by stating that this question is soley for my wife... Anyone heard of a Karaoke app for linux? |
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| [15:17:50] | bradd: | hahaha |
| [15:18:12] | bradd: | i certainly hope not aval0n |
| [15:18:27] | bradd: | or at least i hope my wife never asks/finds out about oneif there is |
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| [15:22:12] | iamlindoro: | PyKaraoke, Gkaraoke... |
| [15:24:09] | iamlindoro: | Or you could use CDG2Video (http://bat-kolio.net/cdg2video/) and just put the videos in a MythVideo folder Called "Karaoke" |
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| [15:26:15] | [Soul]: | anybody ever installed mythbuntu and found their mouse doesn't work very well? i have a weird problem where it is really choppy except when i have an mplayer video going |
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| [15:55:29] | hitme: | hello, can any1 help me please, i am out of ideas ;) i updated to the 21 fixes and now mythweb can'T get access to db anymore |
| [15:57:05] | |Torg|: | did you update mythweb too? and what error did it give you? |
| [15:57:06] | FinnTux: | hitme, you sure mythweb is at the same version? |
| [15:57:36] | |Torg|: | if you updated myhweb you would be sure you did so, as it is a manul process |
| [16:04:40] | hitme: | The database environment variables are not correctly set in the webserver conf or .htaccess file. Please read through the comments included in the file and set up the db_* environment variables correctly. |
| [16:04:40] | hitme: | Some possible solutions are to make sure that mod_env is enabled in httpd.conf, as well as having followed the instructions in the README and INSTALL files. |
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| [16:05:06] | |Torg|: | do you run apache 1 or 2? |
| [16:05:10] | hitme: | 2 |
| [16:05:22] | hitme: | i run mythbuntu 8.04 envoiment |
| [16:05:24] | |Torg|: | did you copy the conf file into apaches conf.d directory? |
| [16:05:41] | hitme: | i think so |
| [16:06:14] | |Torg|: | where is the file, what did you call it? |
| [16:06:55] | [Soul]: | why would i lose interrupts w/ mythbuntu on my mouse |
| [16:07:02] | [Soul]: | but get them when mplayer is playing |
| [16:07:09] | hitme: | .. /etc/apache2/mythweb.conf |
| [16:07:30] | |Torg|: | hitme: did you put in the proper variables for mysql in it? |
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| [16:07:54] | hnitsuj: | iamlindoro: the bloke responsible for pykaraoke was who talked me into trying mythtv |
| [16:08:02] | hnitsuj: | used to work with him |
| [16:08:34] | iamlindoro_: | hnitsuj: Small world ;) I don't think Aval0n read the answer, though |
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| [16:08:47] | hitme: | db name host pass and user, yes |
| [16:08:56] | hitme: | everything was working before update |
| [16:09:03] | |Torg|: | hitme: is the Directory directive proper? |
| [16:09:36] | hnitsuj: | back to worting out my boxes of cables |
| [16:09:43] | hnitsuj: | sorting out, even |
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| [16:10:25] | |Torg|: | iamlindoro I know he reads mythbots logs, so its still good |
| [16:12:14] | hitme: | torg i am kinda n00b to linux .. ;) learning .. but i dunno what you mean ^ |
| [16:12:31] | hitme: | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5476/ |
| [16:12:42] | hitme: | thats the last event of apache2 error log |
| [16:13:05] | |Torg|: | ok hitme, at the very top of that conf file is a line that starts with <Directory |
| [16:13:15] | |Torg|: | it shoudl have the place where the mythweb files are |
| [16:13:43] | |Torg|: | and your apache logs wont help in this case, as far as pache knows it renderd the php fine. What you have is a php error, not an apache error |
| [16:14:22] | hitme: | kk |
| [16:15:13] | |Torg|: | baiscly the error you got was that php could not connect to the database, and mythweb showed a most common reason why. Usually its somehting simple like you forogot to set them or forgot to restart apache |
| [16:16:30] | hitme: | i rebooted the pc erly in hope this would fix |
| [16:16:50] | hitme: | and i checked all files where i know thats the db datas are in |
| [16:17:07] | hitme: | well maybe i really have to create one, but i dunno where :( |
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| [16:18:19] | hitme: | is there any log were i can see what happens or what missiong ? |
| [16:18:34] | |Torg|: | php, if you are logging it |
| [16:18:53] | hitme: | how to enable and see ? |
| [16:19:01] | |Torg|: | try to connect to the database using the same creditials as the conf file, althohg it it were wrong you would be seeing other errors |
| [16:19:21] | hitme: | howß |
| [16:19:41] | |Torg|: | mysql -h host -u user -p mythconverg |
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| [16:20:49] | hitme: | works |
| [16:21:08] | hitme: | mysql -h localhost -u mythtv -p mythconverg |
| [16:21:11] | |Torg|: | stop and start apache2, not restart |
| [16:21:19] | hitme: | ask for pass then log into sql |
| [16:21:26] | hitme: | how ? |
| [16:21:31] | |Torg|: | yes hitme, it is supp[oed to do that |
| [16:21:49] | |Torg|: | I would guess /etc/init.d/apache2 stop then /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
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| [16:22:56] | hitme: | ... worked .... |
| [16:23:02] | arschjucken: | are there international verisons of the mythweb mythtv status page ? all in englisch and with AM/PM times here :( |
| [16:23:33] | arschjucken: | mythweb itself is in my language, just the status page not (btw nice new status page :) ) |
| [16:23:44] | hitme: | THANKS A LOT! ;) |
| [16:24:01] | hitme: | why why didn't a reboot help them .. shake head |
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| [16:24:42] | |Torg|: | I dont know it should have, it may simply have been your browser cache and you wited long enough for it to expire |
| [16:25:00] | |Torg|: | that was the xecond thing I was going to hav you do, but since it worked there is no need |
| [16:25:42] | hitme: | brwser cache ? |
| [16:25:57] | hitme: | aha nm wasn'T for me i think ^ |
| [16:26:36] | |Torg|: | your web browser, unless it is VERY old, caches the pages you see. Depending on the browser somtimes hiting the shift key then reload will bylass it, some you have to go into the settings nad clear cache |
| [16:27:19] | |Torg|: | since the "I can not connect error" mythweb gives you is in HTML, your browser will think its a page like any other, and cache it for you |
| [16:29:05] | |Torg|: | but all this is irrelevant , as it works now |
| [16:29:22] | hitme: | yeah :) |
| [16:29:48] | hitme: | and i leaned some good stuff also again (like how to stop the apache ^^) |
| [16:30:56] | |Torg|: | apache tends to be very picky about conf files and takes a full stop and start ratehr then restart. I am not the best person to ask about apache though, its jus tmy past experiance that tells me that. |
| [16:31:09] | hitme: | is there any way to enable live tv view in web broser ? |
| [16:31:24] | hitme: | your past ex was good :) |
| [16:31:28] | hitme: | *ep |
| [16:31:30] | |Torg|: | do you mean streaming? |
| [16:31:31] | hitme: | exp grr |
| [16:31:40] | hitme: | like view live to |
| [16:31:50] | hitme: | not the recordings |
| [16:32:00] | hitme: | like the mythtv player 0.50 can do |
| [16:32:15] | PatrikH: | There is a force-reload command to apache that should be good enough if configs are changed |
| [16:32:26] | |Torg|: | nothing in mythtv is truly live, its not the default behaivor of myweb however, if thats what you are asking |
| [16:32:53] | hitme: | hmm ok |
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| [16:33:10] | hitme: | thanks again ;) |
| [16:33:25] | |Torg|: | np |
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| [16:55:57] | hnitsuj: | anybody want a soundblaster AWE32 ? |
| [16:56:25] | |Torg|: | that bad huh :) |
| [16:56:51] | hnitsuj: | having a proper clearout |
| [16:57:01] | hnitsuj: | found another framegrabber I never knew I had too |
| [16:57:10] | jams: | i would take it, but cost of shipping.... |
| [16:57:51] | hnitsuj: | it's been a bit modified... has 8MB sipps soldered onto the board – had unreliable contacts |
| [16:58:18] | |Torg|: | I dont even own a computer it would work in any more |
| [16:58:26] | cesman: | hitme: you could use a web remote control to start watching live tv |
| [16:58:44] | hnitsuj: | hahaha oh yeah it's ISA. forgot! |
| [16:58:44] | cesman: | hitme: it would then appear under your recorded programs, ready to me streamed |
| [16:59:20] | |Torg|: | my parts bin is full of shit liek that, wrong bus, wrong size, wrong outputs. |
| [16:59:26] | |Torg|: | memory is even worse |
| [17:00:47] | hitme: | any1 know witch file contains the config for the fronend theme ? i only get a black screen after loadiig fronend up :( |
| [17:01:06] | |Torg|: | its not a file, its settings in the database |
| [17:02:25] | |Torg|: | run mythfrontend -v all,nodatabase and pastebin the log |
| [17:03:02] | hitme: | i think its becouse i switched it to openGL |
| [17:03:14] | |Torg|: | do you have an nvidia card? |
| [17:03:19] | hitme: | yes |
| [17:03:24] | |Torg|: | dont use opengl |
| [17:05:29] | hitme: | to late ^ |
| [17:05:49] | hitme: | how to access the database ? or how to enable phpmyadmin access |
| [17:06:13] | |Torg|: | easiest is with phpmyadmin |
| [17:08:29] | hitme: | aha got it installed now ;) |
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| [17:11:54] | hitme: | can'T see any db/table where the fronend config is stored in |
| [17:12:31] | |Torg|: | settings |
| [17:13:56] | hitme: | inly beckend config there |
| [17:14:06] | hnitsuj: | ooo what's this? flea-pee aye-ay mini-itx thingy? whatever could I have wanted one of them for hmm? |
| [17:14:08] | |Torg|: | ALL settings are there |
| [17:14:48] | |Torg|: | SELECT * FROM `settings` where `value`="ThemePainter" |
| [17:14:59] | |Torg|: | assuming of course thats the setting you are looking for |
| [17:15:22] | hitme: | found it |
| [17:15:45] | hitme: | how was the other painter called ? |
| [17:15:50] | iamlindoro_: | or just do mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [17:15:51] | |Torg|: | qt? |
| [17:16:04] | iamlindoro_: | and keep your grubby mitts off the db |
| [17:16:36] | hitme: | ^^ |
| [17:16:44] | hitme: | working now :) |
| [17:17:46] | hitme: | thanks again ;) |
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| [17:18:04] | hitme: | is there any was to mount smb shares and add the videos to the fronend ? |
| [17:18:59] | |Torg|: | do you mean can you mout a windows shared file system and copy the files elsewhere, yes |
| [17:19:15] | hitme: | not copy, play from network |
| [17:19:46] | |Torg|: | moun it as a subdirectory of your video directory |
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| [17:20:11] | hitme: | ok .. will try that |
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| [17:20:30] | psofa: | what -v flag contains dvb signal info? |
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| [17:22:48] | Yahooadam: | Hey, im using the UK_RT grabber, does the "channel_id" field in the database have any effect, or is it just a (unique) random number |
| [17:25:40] | Yahooadam: | sorry, its "chanid" |
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| [17:37:59] | DustyBin: | when i try and play a dvd in .21, the screen goes blank then it segfaults, ive got all the relevant dvd libraries installed, including libdvdcss |
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| [17:38:44] | iamlindoro_: | DustyBin: It's a known issue, either rool back to 16431 or wait for the fix |
| [17:38:48] | iamlindoro_: | er roll |
| [17:39:06] | DustyBin: | aye ok ill wait :D |
| [17:39:15] | DustyBin: | i thought it might of been me |
| [17:39:25] | iamlindoro_: | nope, I believe GreyFoxx is working on it |
| [17:40:06] | hitme: | will smbmounts stay after reboot or where i have to put them to d that ? |
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| [17:40:23] | iamlindoro_: | in /etc/fstab |
| [17:45:29] | Yahooadam: | last time i tried to compile xmltv on ubuntu it didnt work, (im running 0.5.49 atm) – 0.5.51 has loads more channels in the list, does this compile under ubuntu these days? |
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| [17:57:19] | orthoevra: | i must be looking in wrong setup.. is the option to enable remote web interface in the backend setup? |
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| [18:01:15] | iamlindoro_: | There's no option to enable/disable it... either mythweb is installed/configured properly or it isn't |
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| [18:04:21] | orthoevra: | icic so the url is http://yourmythbackendmachine:XXX port is? |
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| [18:05:27] | zkx: | it's just a php site, you install it on your existing http server |
| [18:05:34] | iamlindoro_: | orthoevra: It doesn't have its own port, just runs on top of apache... |
| [18:05:49] | orthoevra: | o now im confused how can i tell if i have it installed or not? |
| [18:06:15] | iamlindoro_: | http://ip.of.your.mythbox/ |
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| [18:06:17] | orthoevra: | mythweb-0.20.2–175.fc8 |
| [18:06:24] | iamlindoro_: | sometimes in directory mythweb/ |
| [18:07:26] | orthoevra: | ok found it yes it was in /mythweb |
| [18:07:32] | orthoevra: | thanks! |
| [18:07:36] | iamlindoro_: | yup |
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| [18:34:22] | mkargar: | hello |
| [18:36:00] | mkargar: | hello sphery |
| [18:37:35] | mkargar: | I reinstalling mythtv!my problem is MySQL!mysql not connect to localhost! |
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| [18:43:29] | sphery: | mkargar: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 and http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/index.html |
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| [18:52:55] | mkargar: | i reading it! |
| [18:53:02] | mkargar: | very thx Sphery! |
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| [19:10:51] | nettow0822_: | sphery....I upgraded to ver .21.2 and I still have the same tuning problem... |
| [19:11:28] | kormoc: | there is no .21.2 |
| [19:11:46] | nettow0822_: | .i generated a channels.conf file and all the channels work using xine but 2 of the channels are not recognized when I import the channels.conf into myth |
| [19:12:15] | nettow0822_: | sorry kormoc....the latest version |
| [19:13:08] | Aval0n: | anyone ever used karaoke in mythtv somehow? |
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| [19:21:25] | iamlindoro: | Aval0n: I answered your question at 0822 Pacific time |
| [19:21:32] | iamlindoro: | Almost exactly four hours before..... now |
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| [19:23:11] | iamlindoro: | iamlindoro: PyKaraoke, Gkaraoke... |
| [19:23:11] | iamlindoro: | iamlindoro: Or you could use CDG2Video (http://bat-kolio.net/cdg2video/) and just put the videos in a MythVideo folder Called "Karaoke" |
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| [19:26:31] | schula: | hi, if i run mythtfrontend, and exit it via shutdown menu, it logs me off, i just want to close the programm, any hints? |
| [19:27:25] | sphery: | nettow0822_: I'd recommend posting to the list. Someone there might be able to help. Also, point out your location (i.e. country) and DVB/ATSC type so you can find people who are using Myth there. They'll likely be able to help you either a) make the scan work, or b) cram the data into the DB. |
| [19:27:50] | sphery: | nettow0822_: And, Daniel K. might see it an figure out the source of the problem scanning those channels and fix Myth so it can scan them... |
| [19:28:46] | sphery: | schula: chances are your .xinitrc or .xsession is starting mythfrontend such that when it exits, X exits, so you get logged out. |
| [19:29:03] | schula: | no+ |
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| [19:29:14] | schula: | sphery: i just run it myself, and use a wm etc. |
| [19:30:47] | sphery: | schula: start the WM, get it's PID, then start mythfrontend, then wait for the WM to exit. |
| [19:32:10] | sphery: | schula: something like: http://pastebin.ca/935596 (for a .xinitrc) |
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| [19:54:27] | SS3: | Hi |
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| [19:57:02] | PatrikH: | Anyone tried xbox360 as upnp client ? |
| [20:02:08] | kormoc: | It works with certain limitations |
| [20:02:33] | rhpot1991: | only videos work |
| [20:02:44] | kormoc: | only certain videos work |
| [20:02:47] | rhpot1991: | and only if they are wmv/mpeg4/h.264 |
| [20:02:58] | rhpot1991: | well videos as in your mythvideos folder |
| [20:04:23] | PatrikH: | ok, thats all i needed |
| [20:05:20] | rhpot1991: | I'm looking into adding an option to MythExport to do it, but its not looking so great |
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| [20:08:06] | psm321: | anyone have experience with garbled captions and/or weird half-screen flicker on a pvr-500? (i think it has something to do with bitrate because captions are ok for me in livetv but not recordings) |
| [20:11:48] | shiznix: | ok, with regards to the "prebuffering pause" video stutters when viewing HDTV, it happens at the recording level, so buffer is actually OK, looks like i need at the minimum a dual core CPU running at 2GHz |
| [20:12:19] | shiznix: | thanks kormoc to pointing me to the HD_Playback_Reports page on the wiki :| |
| [20:14:00] | kormoc: | Sorry for the bad news |
| [20:14:05] | |Torg|: | is there a trick to getting mythwebther working without resorting to hacking all the scripts? |
| [20:14:17] | kormoc: | What's not working? |
| [20:14:33] | |Torg|: | mythweather, the perl scripts cant find there p[roper libs, the install never copied them |
| [20:15:15] | |Torg|: | I had to hack each script and copy the entire script directory before I got them to work |
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| [20:15:31] | kormoc: | works for me (tm) |
| [20:15:33] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [20:16:56] | |Torg|: | can you check where NWSLocation.pm is on your system for me please |
| [20:17:52] | kormoc: | /usr/share/mythtv/mythweather/scripts/us_nws |
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| [20:18:36] | |Torg|: | and that is in your @INC? |
| [20:19:11] | |Torg|: | it isnt in mine, so I had to add use lib to each script |
| [20:19:20] | GreyFoxx: | jams: You around ? |
| [20:19:58] | kormoc: | it's not in my INC, but it just happens to work somehow |
| [20:20:56] | GreyFoxx: | cesman: You around ? |
| [20:21:00] | |Torg|: | ok kormoc I think I figure it out, I had old scripts in there from svn verisons a while back and they wer conflicting |
| [20:21:05] | |Torg|: | thanks :) |
| [20:21:11] | kormoc: | Ahh, that could do it |
| [20:21:13] | kormoc: | you're quite welcome |
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| [20:22:10] | |Torg|: | ive been doing make install for so long that I tend to forget it does not remove old stuff |
| [20:27:00] | PatrikH: | Hmm, trying to make my vista with WMP11 play from mythtv, It has seen it as a upnp-device but no files are shoing |
| [20:27:26] | GreyFoxx: | What version ? |
| [20:28:11] | GreyFoxx: | PatrickDK: What version ? |
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| [20:28:23] | PatrikH: | 0.21-fixes and Vista ultimate with WMP11.0.6001.7000 |
| [20:28:56] | PatrikH: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/UPnP_wit . . . Media_Player <-- Followed that |
| [20:29:04] | iamlindoro: | Ah, you need Myth .21 Ultimate for that |
| [20:29:11] | iamlindoro: | to match your Vista |
| [20:29:25] | jduggan: | these so called 'upscaling dvd players' with hdmi, does myth do such upscaling to dvd playback? |
| [20:29:29] | degreseven: | Hello, My mythbox has been down for a while with hardware problems & i just got it running again. I'm trying to import my old shows into the new database as in the how-to pages, but I'm getting a sql error: ERROR 1054 at line 1: Unknown column 'storagegroup' in 'field list'. Has the database changed in recent versions? and more importantly, how can I fix it? |
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| [20:30:16] | PatrikH: | iamlindoro: haha |
| [20:30:21] | GreyFoxx: | jduggan: Well , myth scales video to match your video resolution, so if your resolution is > than the res on the DVD... yes it would :O)P |
| [20:32:37] | jduggan: | ok – someone offered me a free dvdplayer with such a feature – i just wondered if it was worth the bother but i guess not hehe |
| [20:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | free is free |
| [20:33:05] | GreyFoxx: | Id take it anyway :) |
| [20:33:12] | iamlindoro: | I'm bothered that you think free is a bother :) |
| [20:33:27] | iamlindoro: | eBay! |
| [20:33:41] | rhpot1991: | GreyFoxx: does that only happen with myth's internal player? |
| [20:33:46] | rhpot1991: | or would xine and the like do the same? |
| [20:33:59] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro_: for some reason I still get a lot of skips with the internal player on mkv |
| [20:34:08] | Aval0n: | but when I switch to maplyer i'm fine |
| [20:34:28] | iamlindoro: | Aval0n: Well, can't speak to your computer, may just be too slow, mplayer is more optimized |
| [20:34:35] | Aval0n: | yeah |
| [20:34:36] | Aval0n: | I hear ya |
| [20:34:44] | GreyFoxx: | rhpot1991: any app that is outputing at the full screen size is doing it |
| [20:34:45] | Aval0n: | it's 3.4ghz p4 ht 1gb pc-3200 |
| [20:34:51] | kormoc: | rhpot1991, that have the ability to, but it might require configuration |
| [20:35:05] | iamlindoro: | When things are right on the cusp of being able to play, mplayer will be the one to play them |
| [20:35:16] | Aval0n: | mplayer sucks though cause after I fast forward the audio/video is all out of sync |
| [20:35:18] | iamlindoro: | but if you have a little overhead, I far prefer Internal |
| [20:35:37] | iamlindoro: | Time to convince the wife of the need for an upgrade, Aval0n |
| [20:35:44] | Aval0n: | lol I hear ya :) |
| [20:36:05] | Aval0n: | I just put this machine together like 6 months ago though |
| [20:36:09] | Aval0n: | it'll be hard to convince her |
| [20:36:23] | iamlindoro: | What in the world were you doing buying a P4 three months ago? Shame on you! |
| [20:36:30] | iamlindoro: | er 6 months |
| [20:36:46] | PatrikH: | GreyFoxx: Did you have som idea about the upnp ? |
| [20:37:01] | iamlindoro: | "Baby, I really REALLY need a new Core 2 Duo... and if I don't get it, I'm gonna start drinking... and you *know* what happens when I drink..." |
| [20:37:01] | ** Aval0n crys ** | |
| [20:37:09] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [20:37:11] | jduggan: | haha iamlindoro |
| [20:37:52] | GreyFoxx: | PatrickDK: I assume you have some recordings recorded ? |
| [20:37:55] | Aval0n: | I wonder if another gig of ram would help it out any |
| [20:38:01] | Aval0n: | that bloo-tube wide is a memory hog |
| [20:38:05] | Aval0n: | and btw |
| [20:38:12] | Aval0n: | why can't blootube be purple justin? |
| [20:38:26] | kormoc: | cause you didn't make it purple |
| [20:38:28] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [20:38:32] | Aval0n: | I'm not being serious |
| [20:38:37] | iamlindoro: | Aval0n: It's people like you that make it so we can't have pretty themes any more |
| [20:38:37] | PatrikH: | GreyFoxx: Yes and some videos and stuff |
| [20:38:47] | jams: | GreyFoxx- here now |
| [20:39:02] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro_: my remark was a joke for that very reason |
| [20:39:05] | GreyFoxx: | jams: What was the model of that DVD changer? I've decided to buy one |
| [20:39:15] | Aval0n: | you couldn't pay me to run a purple FE |
| [20:39:26] | jams: | GreyFoxx- one moment. |
| [20:39:45] | kormoc: | Aval0n, prefer pink eh? |
| [20:39:48] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [20:39:50] | Aval0n: | yeah |
| [20:39:52] | Aval0n: | well you know ;) |
| [20:39:57] | Aval0n: | salmon is better but.. I'de settle. |
| [20:40:15] | GreyFoxx: | PatrickDK: And when you go to All videos under the backend device in the WMP library list you don't see it? You are looking under videos right? Not under TV or whatever the anme is ? |
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| [20:41:31] | PatrikH: | Exactly, i dont see anything exept the vista examples |
| [20:41:46] | jams: | GreyFoxx- sony VGP XL1B |
| [20:41:51] | GreyFoxx: | cool |
| [20:42:05] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Just a quick FYI, I removed the test-fixes for seeking and went with straight trunk, and all the seeking worked properly but I think there was a small one for MPEG .ts's (eg BBC HD) that didn't go in as seeking on those is still broken. Believe you had me drop five or six lines into av_seek_frame in avformatdecoder.cpp |
| [20:42:07] | GreyFoxx: | PatrickDK: Do you see the backend listed ? |
| [20:42:29] | PatrikH: | Nope |
| [20:42:33] | PatrikH: | not in wmp |
| [20:42:38] | jams: | http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Sony_VGP-XL1B |
| [20:42:41] | GreyFoxx: | That would be your problem |
| [20:42:47] | jams: | looks like linuxmce supports it |
| [20:42:52] | GreyFoxx: | jams: cool. I'm too lazy to rip them all again :) |
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| [20:43:05] | PatrikH: | I do see it in librarys->Media sharing |
| [20:43:09] | Aval0n: | ewww |
| [20:43:14] | Aval0n: | linuxmce |
| [20:43:15] | jams: | GreyFoxx- lost some data? |
| [20:44:12] | GreyFoxx: | Nah, just want better quality now. My previous Xvid rips of all my dvd's all look nasty under my new tv's and such |
| [20:44:23] | GreyFoxx: | I was reencoding some to h264 mkv's and they look great |
| [20:44:39] | GreyFoxx: | but now I'm feeling lazy and thinking I'll get the DVD changer instead :) |
| [20:44:55] | jams: | hehe |
| [20:45:00] | Aval0n: | if I wanted to run another linux app from mythtv |
| [20:45:04] | Aval0n: | is there a way to set that up? |
| [20:45:15] | GreyFoxx: | Aval0n: edit the menu xml |
| [20:45:24] | Gumby: | hello all, is it possible to import my recorded shows and scheduled recordings into a new DB? |
| [20:45:44] | Gumby: | I had a link to this awhile ago I think but I cant seem to find it anymore |
| [20:46:03] | degreseven: | Gumby: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html |
| [20:46:10] | iamlindoro: | 23.7 in the howto I think |
| [20:46:18] | Gumby: | thx guys |
| [20:46:21] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Hmmm you mean the fix to make it not show as always at the end of the video? |
| [20:46:26] | rhpot1991: | looking for someone who knows how the upnp stuff actually works behind the scenes, I can add things to upnpmedia but that table seems to be rebuilt and the old data is lost, correct? |
| [20:46:31] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: yep, that's the one |
| [20:46:38] | jduggan: | Aval0n: you could do it via irexec w/your remote |
| [20:46:41] | GreyFoxx: | rhpot1991: I wrote that bit so ask away |
| [20:46:41] | jduggan: | ? |
| [20:47:03] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Works properly in all the other formats, but in the .ts's it seems to have reverted (or, more precisely, the small fix for those ones appears not to have gone into trunk) |
| [20:47:12] | rhpot1991: | well GreyFoxx I am looking to make a script add things to that table with the mythtv perl bindings |
| [20:47:17] | GreyFoxx: | rhpot1991: The upnpmedia table is wiped and built fresh like 8 seconds after the backe4nd starts and again every half hour to hour |
| [20:47:27] | rhpot1991: | I was just messing by hand and adding the stuff, but it keeps losing my data |
| [20:47:32] | rhpot1991: | so is there any way I can get info in there? |
| [20:47:57] | GreyFoxx: | rhpot1991: not really, it wipes it at every rebuild and doesn't have a mechanism to external static data |
| [20:48:02] | GreyFoxx: | what are you adding ? |
| [20:48:28] | rhpot1991: | looking to get recordings to stream over upnp to the 360 without showing up in my mythvideos |
| [20:48:35] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [20:48:39] | rhpot1991: | what folders does it stream out, can I just use a different folder? |
| [20:48:43] | GreyFoxx: | Im adding that in the next couple days |
| [20:48:47] | jduggan: | on the topic of upnp.. i havent really looked into it yet but should an xbox 360 be able to find a mythbackend and play its videos/music ? |
| [20:49:10] | rhpot1991: | jduggan: mythvideos yes if they are in mpeg4/xvid/wmv format |
| [20:49:23] | rhpot1991: | GreyFoxx: that will be in what 0.22 trunk? |
| [20:49:30] | GreyFoxx: | rhpot1991: yes |
| [20:49:33] | rhpot1991: | darn |
| [20:49:41] | GreyFoxx: | or just run trunk after I make the change |
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| [20:50:03] | rhpot1991: | well I'm looking for adding this to mythbuntu |
| [20:50:07] | jduggan: | ive tried adding a media center in the xbox but it just prompts me to a download link for windows installation |
| [20:50:07] | jduggan: | so im guessing it doesnt find anything via unpn |
| [20:50:07] | jduggan: | p |
| [20:50:24] | rhpot1991: | jduggan: when you first go into the media section you can hit x to choose a source |
| [20:50:28] | GreyFoxx: | rhpot1991: the 360 wont play mpeg2 nor our mpeg4 nuv's |
| [20:50:37] | GreyFoxx: | so you would have to reencode them all to xvid or something |
| [20:50:53] | GreyFoxx: | jduggan: It's not a media cenyter |
| [20:50:54] | rhpot1991: | GreyFoxx: I'm aware of that, but I already have a script to convert for iPod/PSP, I was gonna add 360 support to that |
| [20:50:58] | GreyFoxx: | Just go to videos |
| [20:51:02] | GreyFoxx: | hist X to change sources |
| [20:51:10] | GreyFoxx: | the backend should show up in the list of devices |
| [20:51:17] | jduggan: | aha |
| [20:51:26] | rhpot1991: | I can just throw them into videos, but then I'm going to have to see them every time I browse my videos |
| [20:51:34] | GreyFoxx: | rhpot1991: Just run a cron than creates symlinks to the recordings under mythvideo |
| [20:51:54] | jduggan: | ok – so provided i transcode to xvid i should be able to play some shows on my xbox |
| [20:52:04] | GreyFoxx: | jduggan: yeah |
| [20:52:31] | rhpot1991: | GreyFoxx: the videos folder is the only one that is being shared out though, I can't hijack some other folder? |
| [20:52:51] | jduggan: | the only reason i ask about the xbox was because it can presumably play HD content better than my p4 3ghz can – but on that subject, does the xbox play mkv? :p |
| [20:53:09] | rhpot1991: | jduggan: you lose things like commflagging |
| [20:53:32] | rhpot1991: | 360 splits the file into 10 equal parts and throws chapters there, how useless! |
| [20:53:37] | jduggan: | rhpot1991: that's a minor loss to me |
| [20:54:06] | GreyFoxx: | jduggan: no, not mkv |
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| [20:54:19] | GreyFoxx: | mp4, mov, avi, wmv are about it |
| [20:54:50] | GreyFoxx: | rhpot1991: not without editing code |
| [20:55:15] | GreyFoxx: | and even then they filenames would be crappy unless you are renamming |
| [20:55:50] | rhpot1991: | well renaming is happening, but still I'm not all that happy when them in both places |
| [20:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | rhpot1991: Life sucks sometimes :) |
| [20:56:06] | rhpot1991: | GreyFoxx: that it does |
| [20:56:09] | rhpot1991: | :) |
| [20:56:17] | jduggan: | is it possible to transcode mkv to mp4? (or whichever format you would recommend to convert to) |
| [20:56:21] | GreyFoxx: | plus it would not take into account multiple frontends or storage groups |
| [20:56:42] | GreyFoxx: | jduggan: Not with myth, but you could whip of something to do it |
| [20:56:59] | rhpot1991: | true, I was just hoping to make a xbox360 folder to toss them all in somewhere |
| [20:57:24] | GreyFoxx: | anything but symlinking is going to require code changes, period |
| [20:57:28] | jduggan: | GreyFoxx: which format would you recommend to transcode to (to retain quality) |
| [20:57:50] | rhpot1991: | GreyFoxx: you wouldn't happen to know if mythvideo picks up .mov files would you? |
| [20:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | jduggan: if possible just use a codec copy and move the data to a new container without reencoding |
| [20:58:07] | GreyFoxx: | rhpot1991: it does |
| [20:58:22] | rhpot1991: | darn, wasn't an option for the file association |
| [20:58:32] | GreyFoxx: | add it |
| [20:58:51] | AndyCap: | jduggan: some ideas, but I guest they're mostly windows focused. :/ http://www.videohelp.com/tools/sections/video-de-multiplexers |
| [20:58:52] | GreyFoxx: | you can add extension in that interface |
| [20:59:03] | rhpot1991: | well I was looking for an exception that I could toss at the 360 that mythvideo wouldn't see |
| [20:59:04] | rhpot1991: | I see that |
| [20:59:18] | jduggan: | GreyFoxx: that kinda went over my head a little ;) are you saying its possible to just change the container so i dont have to go through a lengthy transcode procedure? |
| [20:59:29] | GreyFoxx: | jduggan: USually yes |
| [21:00:22] | jduggan: | what kind of linux tools can do this? |
| [21:00:23] | AndyCap: | iirc. vlc had a list of containers and codecs supported, but dunno if that was just vlc or generic for the container formats |
| [21:00:29] | GreyFoxx: | jduggan: ffmpeg for one |
| [21:00:31] | jduggan: | mencoder? |
| [21:00:34] | jduggan: | ok |
| [21:00:42] | GreyFoxx: | never use mencoder but I would expect it can too |
| [21:02:02] | rhpot1991: | thanks for the help GreyFoxx |
| [21:03:03] | iamlindoro: | The short short procedure there (may require some extra cajoling) is ffmpeg -i infile.mkv -acodec copy -vcodec copy outfile.mp4 |
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| [21:04:27] | jduggan: | Could not write header for output file #0 (incorrect codec parameters ?) |
| [21:04:37] | jduggan: | is what your ffmpeg gave out iamlindoro :) |
| [21:04:58] | jduggan: | ooh is that perms |
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| [21:05:13] | jduggan: | uh, no :) |
| [21:05:25] | iamlindoro: | jduggan: Dunno, didn't test it, that's just general ffmpeg syntax for a container-to-container copy |
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| [21:06:44] | iamlindoro: | It's likely that MP4 container requires you to specify various things like fps, etc. explicity, but I never (almost) never create MKVs and have never needed/wanted tmove one to MP4 |
| [21:08:49] | jduggan: | seems to do something if i change to .avi |
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| [21:12:51] | Gumby: | hello all. I am trying to install new mythtv packages (ubuntu) and I am running into the following when installing the backend package "Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user 'root'@'192.168.1.25' (using password: NO) at -e line 5, <> line 1." I've gone as far as to set my root pass to blank and I can connect to mysql as root without a pass. Does anyone have any ideas? |
| [21:15:35] | jduggan: | hmm – changing to avi with that ffmpeg syntax worked, but the video is at like 5x the speed, audio seems right though |
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| [21:26:26] | cesman: | hello GreyFoxx |
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| [21:35:31] | psm321: | Gumby: still around? |
| [21:36:02] | Gumby: | psm321: yes, Ive moved passed that problem though. hehe. well, sort of |
| [21:36:08] | psm321: | ah ok |
| [21:36:10] | psm321: | what was it? |
| [21:36:23] | Gumby: | doing as I said worked fine. |
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| [21:39:44] | psm321: | anyone know of a command-line vbi decoder? (something i can use for testing /dev/vbi*) |
| [21:40:05] | Gumby: | Failed to connect to database: Host '192.168.1.25' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server at -e line 5, <> line 1. |
| [21:40:07] | psm321: | also, does myth use the /dev/vbi for ivtv cards or have the driver embed it in the mpeg? |
| [21:40:20] | Gumby: | I am guessing this is a mysql issue, root not allowed to connect from that IP |
| [21:40:26] | psm321: | yeah |
| [21:40:42] | Gumby: | I've no idea why its connecting from the IP and not localhost though |
| [21:40:43] | psm321: | if this is all running on the same computer, you could use 127.0.0.1 |
| [21:40:45] | psm321: | ah |
| [21:40:58] | Gumby: | thats the install script from mythtv-database |
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| [21:41:03] | Dibblah: | psm321: The driver is expected (AFAIR) to embed. |
| [21:41:20] | psm321: | Dibblah: ok, thanks |
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| [21:44:40] | psm321: | Gumby: sorry, its been a long long time since i installed, whats the install script called? (so i can look at it in my copy of the source) |
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| [21:45:19] | Gumby: | psm321: np, I am just going to purge and restart from scratch |
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| [21:46:54] | hnitsuj: | wha? just for a iddy biddy db issue? oops |
| [21:47:58] | Possum: | Hi... I'm trying to find a support channel to help me get my ir device working with lirc... it seems like #lirc is dead, so I was wondering if anyone here could give me any suggestions? |
| [21:48:34] | psm321: | is there an ivtv channel somewhere? |
| [21:52:24] | psm321: | interesting, my captions are coming through the /dev/vbi just fine in both resolutions/bitrates, it seems etiher the driver isnt embedding them properly or myth isn't decoding them properly |
| [21:52:38] | psm321: | any way to get myth to just read them from /dev/vbi? |
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| [21:59:44] | nomats: | is it normal to have 1100 rows in dtv_multiplex? |
| [22:00:58] | iamlindoro: | Only if you have an obscene amount of channels (as some with DVB-S and rotors might) |
| [22:01:16] | hnitsuj: | or if you scan a bazillion times |
| [22:01:25] | nomats: | okay |
| [22:01:44] | nomats: | i have only 10 channels and 3 multiplexes |
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| [22:05:45] | nomats: | i have multiplexes that have networkid=0 in dtv_multiplex and the channels in those multiplexes don't have have epg data because of that 0. is there a way to find out what the networkid should be? |
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| [22:06:12] | nomats: | or what does the networkid value even mean |
| [22:07:35] | psm321: | anyone know of an external player that can read ivtv's sliced vbi? |
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| [22:19:07] | Yahooadam: | are the RT listings corrupt again, or is it my install of XMLTV? |
| [22:19:21] | Yahooadam: | http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/132.dat: Can't use string ("1/1") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/XMLTV.pm line 1590. |
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| [22:20:16] | hnitsuj: | lookey likely new xmltv needy :P |
| [22:23:00] | Yahooadam: | ah, looks like xmltv is broked >_< |
| [22:24:15] | hnitsuj: | no, looks like you need a newer version |
| [22:24:25] | Yahooadam: | yeah |
| [22:24:42] | Yahooadam: | the thing is, i installed the latest version, but dpkg is saying there was an error |
| [22:24:51] | Yahooadam: | so ill go do it manaually |
| [22:24:58] | hnitsuj: | bah packages humbug |
| [22:25:17] | Yahooadam: | mm |
| [22:25:32] | Yahooadam: | im using hardy repos on feisty, something is going to break horrifically :p |
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| [22:30:37] | Yahooadam: | Can't locate Unicode/UTF8simple.pm in |
| [22:30:39] | Yahooadam: | sigh |
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| [22:32:13] | SoulBlade: | anybody gotten a wintv pvr usb 2 workin? |
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| [22:32:25] | SoulBlade: | ive got it actually scanning channels, but ive never seen anything play back |
| [22:32:32] | SoulBlade: | and the recordings i scheduled were 0 length |
| [22:34:08] | Yahooadam: | yey, build 0.5.51 |
| [22:34:11] | blackest: | anyone know anything about importing inf files for monitors in ubuntu hardy? |
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| [23:03:22] | cva: | is anyone successfully using the hr.hdtv script as a job withing mythv? It works great from the command line, but I'm missing the syntax to have it run as a job. |
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| [23:07:37] | myth-newb: | does anyone here have an antec fusion vfd working? |
| [23:09:35] | Aval0n: | anyone had any problems with qam256 where you only get a partial lock on a channel until you tune to another chan on the samme multiplex and go back to it? |
| [23:09:42] | Aval0n: | my channel 15 is acting like that |
| [23:09:54] | Aval0n: | I get Lagv until I go to 10 and then back I get LAM |
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| [23:15:40] | jarle: | seems like seeking back and forth in a recording has stopped working in the latest build(!) Not sure if its a general myth bug or a bug only in Mythbuntu? |
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| [23:29:07] | psm321: | is there some way to dump all ivtv settings? (my pvr-500 works fine right after loading ivtv, but if i run myth it starts the weird flicker. i did try changing back all the controls available through v4l2-ctl -l , and that didnt fix it but theres more options too that i havent figured out how to get a clean dump of) |
| [23:29:34] | psm321: | umm sorry, that was a stupid question |
| [23:29:42] | psm321: | it's v4l2-ctl --all |
| [23:29:55] | myth-newb: | yeah of course :-s |
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| [23:33:09] | nettow0822: | I'm trying to get the DVD working.....The DVD starts then Myth FE stops....here is the log for the FE..http://pastebin.ca/935866 |
| [23:33:53] | kormoc: | nettow0822, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/16483 |
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| [23:38:48] | nettow0822: | thanks kormoc.....since I'm only use binary packages and just learned about trunk today....does this mean that the fix will be available by trunk or binary soon? |
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| [23:39:15] | kormoc: | It will be in trunk soon, as for the binaries, that depends on the packager |
| [23:39:49] | nettow0822: | thanks |
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| [23:50:51] | Aval0n: | anyone see an obvious reason this is breaking? http://pastebin.org/23014 |
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| [23:51:51] | kormoc: | you don't have ffmpeg-dev/devel? |
| [23:52:03] | Aval0n: | maybe |
| [23:52:12] | Aval0n: | dang man how could you tell from that mess? |
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| [23:52:47] | Aval0n: | do you know what the package name for ffmpeg-dev would be? |
| [23:53:15] | kormoc: | no idea, I'm a gentooer |
| [23:53:21] | Aval0n: | apt-get doesn't like ffmpeg-dev |
| [23:53:22] | Aval0n: | ahh ok :) |
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