Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, March 8th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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iamlindoro_:

Possible, I tend to run cutting-edge ffmpeg-- although I wrote those options against a version from a few months ago

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|Torg|:

its sorta annoying having to wait and hour between trys just to test how effective it is

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|Torg|:

im intending to try testing with lower bitrates, esp since it was bcast at 2M-2.5M to begin with

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|Torg|:

and im going from 384kb ac3 to 192kb aac

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iamlindoro_:

2.5 MBit? So you're doing SD stuff?

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|Torg|:

no the filezie/time shows it to be 2.5M

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|Torg|:

8G / 1 hr

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, 8 GB/hr is *not 2.5 Mbit

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iamlindoro_:

You're off by close to a factor of ten

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unclemike:

whats the difference between mythtv ..tvtime ..xawtv

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fryfrog:

2.5MB, 25mbit?

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fryfrog:

unclemike: recording

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|Torg|:

yes i just ran it though bc again and saw

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|Torg|:

and im off by a facotr of 8 not 10

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|Torg|:

I dint convert bytes to bits

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iamlindoro_:

*eyeroll*

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iamlindoro_:

You sure do a good job of making me regret helping

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fryfrog:

he did say *close* to a factor of ten :p

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|Torg|:

sorry, I was just telling you what I did

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unclemike:

fryfrog: so thats the only diiference is that you can record

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iamlindoro_:

unclemike: You ought to google all of them... the other apps are for watching TV, Myth is a full media center that handles movies, music, TV recording, etc. etc.

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fryfrog:

unclemike: okay, so the real statement is pages and pages long

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fryfrog:

unclemike: xawtv and tvtime let you view what is coming from a tvcard in real time. if that is all you are after, awesome

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fryfrog:

mythtv is more like tivo, is that better?

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unclemike:

iamlindoro: so moreless mythtv..is about like how they added media center to windows xp

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iamlindoro_:

very very very very VERY roughly speaking

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iamlindoro_:

+ 1000 other features

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|Torg|:

+ unlocekd video and audio codecs, + customizable beying anything windows can handle, + scaleable past anytnign M$ can dream of

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unclemike:

so its not really for the average user..that just want something for tv watching

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|Torg|:

define average user

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iamlindoro_:

unclemike: I get the sense you might be very new to the linux game-- if that's the case Myth might seem very difficult to set up

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unclemike:

i use pclinuxos 2008 minime....im downloading a remaster thru torrent..that someone made with mythtv all ready configured..all i gota do is scan channels

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iamlindoro_:

Hehe

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unclemike:

i use linux..i just never really took the time to learn...things

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iamlindoro_:

If *that* turns out to be true, then it'll be the first anyone in this room ever heard of any such thing

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iamlindoro_:

Because even the very best Myth distros for beginners (MythBuntu) still takes some real work and reading and knowledge

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|Torg|:

what pclinuxos? there out of houston, I heard of them dont use it tho

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unclemike:

http://www.pclinuxos.com/index.php?option=com . . . opic=42002.0

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|Torg|:

unclemike: this can be as easy as putting in a CD, *IF* you have the correct hardware.

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iamlindoro_:

unclemike: There is *no way* that will work unless you ahve identical hardware to whomever made that setup

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|Torg|:

http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html

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unclemike:

its a live cd..so ill find out

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|Torg|:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/

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Aval0n:

ubuntu isn't a bad alternative if you use it's custom front end

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Aval0n:

uses openbox

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emacsen:

Is there a way to tell Mythtv to only record new episodes of a show?

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emacsen:

since ScheduleDirect does differentiate

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Aval0n:

i belive it does that by default

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emacsen:

no, I mean non-repeats

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Aval0n:

right....

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: yes

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Aval0n:

mythtv and schedules direct owns

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Aval0n:

:)

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: Fastest way to adjust it is to go to your recording rule in mythweb, select advanced settings on the right side

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emacsen:

right, I'm there

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iamlindoro_:

Filter: Exclude Repeat Episodes

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Aval0n:

few things i'de change

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Aval0n:

I wish when you hit the info button

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Aval0n:

it would give you the information of your show and not go away until you hit ok or info again

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Aval0n:

instead it gives you your time progress and you have to hit it again to get the show info

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Aval0n:

and it fades away automatically

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Aval0n:

I can change the time to be longer

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Aval0n:

but sometimes it's still to short for me to read the stuff

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Aval0n:

but other times I just want it off right away

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Aval0n:

and I wish the osds by default had the star rating

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Aval0n:

I have to add it in myself in the xml

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Aval0n:

heheh

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, you know what... I bet that's a new feature

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emacsen:

not in this version

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iamlindoro_:

Possible

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Aval0n:

what version emacsen?

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emacsen:

.20.2

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Aval0n:

ah

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Aval0n:

weird

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Aval0n:

I swore that had it too

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Aval0n:

but i am wrong frequently :)

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emacsen:

Ah, it's called something different

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emacsen:

it's called "Check for duplicates in"

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Aval0n:

right..

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Aval0n:

and it should be enabled by default

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emacsen:

not filter :)

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emacsen:

nope

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iamlindoro_:

Well it's called what I said in today's SVN

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Aval0n:

hehe

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Aval0n:

my svn is like 4 weeks old

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iamlindoro_:

So get used to it 'cause it's what you'll see in .21 ;)

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Aval0n:

have there been any major changes iamlindoro?

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emacsen:

the other weird part is it seems to be limited to only cable

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iamlindoro_:

Aval0n: In the last four weeks? Well, There's new seeking code in the internal player for MKV, MP4, and TS'es, so that seeking is working pretty perfectly

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iamlindoro_:

Was able to switch MKV to Internal player

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Aval0n:

I was using mplayer

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Aval0n:

that you helped me uber-mod :)

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Aval0n:

wow

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iamlindoro_:

heh

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Aval0n:

you switched YOUR mkv to internal?!

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iamlindoro_:

yup, works beautifully now

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Aval0n:

that's pretty damn impressive

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Aval0n:

because I know how picky you are

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Aval0n:

that's very interesting

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iamlindoro_:

Meh, I wants the pitchers look pretty on the screen

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|Torg|:

as of what revision?

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro: how about processing

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GreyFoxx:

the seeking fix was like monday night?

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Aval0n:

mplayer was playing it nicely

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iamlindoro_:

163xx ish

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Aval0n:

internal will play just as nice?

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|Torg|:

ahh im still at 161xx

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Aval0n:

can you guys fix it to work with gnomescreensaver?

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Aval0n:

:P

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kdubya:

heh, Aval0n, i dont think that is something you can exactly count on

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iamlindoro_:

Aval0n: Well, I have relatively few MKVs... my Blu-Ray rips still need some extra options, but my few MKVs are playing wonderfully w/ perfect seeking

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Aval0n:

kdubya: :)

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GreyFoxx:

Aval0n: for 0.22 Iplan on working on a built in screensaver to use mythgallery and a slideshow type thing of pictures

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|Torg|:

il update to tnights code after I do thse transcodes

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Aval0n:

GreyFoxx: nice

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Aval0n:

so when .21 publicly releases it will be in the first svn release right?

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Aval0n:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

User can specify a specific dir for screensaver images or it can randomly pic from their entire photo archive

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iamlindoro_:

Aval0n: SVN was branched a bit ago for .21

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|Torg|:

svn trunk its 0.21 now

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iamlindoro_:

few weeks-ish

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GreyFoxx:

right after 0.21 release I and commiting my screencapture stuff

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Aval0n:

nice

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GreyFoxx:

I was too late to get it in before feature freeze

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iamlindoro_:

|Torg|: no, trunk and .21 are different branches ATM

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GreyFoxx:

then you can use mythweb as a virtual control pannel to manage frontends and see what is on the frontends screens :)

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emacsen:

What does it mean in the schedule when it says "Activate" next to the upcoming recordings?

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|Torg|:

hmm trunk is installing API 0.21.20080213-

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Aval0n:

so if I am running trunk it's not .21

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Aval0n:

?

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xris:

GreyFoxx: plus it crashed my box.

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|Torg|:

or so says mythbackend --version

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: It means those recordings are deactived for some reason (previously recorded, don't meet a rule, etc) but you can manually activate them

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GreyFoxx:

xris: You seem extra crashy in general, Makes me wonder if it is a QT issue

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fryfrog:

if you want future 0.21, shouldn't you be on 0.21-fixes?

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GreyFoxx:

since I use QT for grabbing the screendata

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xris:

I strongly suspect that might be the case

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iamlindoro_:

Aval0n: They show revision .21 blah blah but .21 and trunk are seperate branches right now... new features go into trunk, bugfixes go into both

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Aval0n:

opengl was crashing my box

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Aval0n:

I had to swtich back to xblit

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Aval0n:

so trunk is the way to fly then eh?

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Aval0n:

:)

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Aval0n:

that's what I've been grabbing

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, can you ask it why?

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GreyFoxx:

Aval0n: trunk is very very close but not quite identical to 0.21-fixes

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GreyFoxx:

but in the next couple days work will shift back to trunk

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Aval0n:

but trunk will have more new features than .21-fixes?

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: Usually it tells you why in the leftmost column in mythweb (ie, "earlier" means Recorded earlier)

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GreyFoxx:

Aval0n: 0.21 was feature frozen a few weeks ago

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Aval0n:

but trunk was not correct?

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GreyFoxx:

but not many features have been added,mostly just fixes to both branches

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xris:

Aval0n: trunk has "sort of" been feature frozen.

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Aval0n:

it was weird in .20.2 I could press a button and gnomescreensaver would go away now it's 50/50 %

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Aval0n:

xris: ahh ok cool

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, well ther's another show at the same time, but the other show is a repeat and thus shouldn't be recorded

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: Then you need to modify the rule for that one so that MythTV agrees with you, or you need to increase the priority of the rule you want to take precedence

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, I'm kinda thinking it thinks New is "I've not seen it" not "This is a repeat"

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emacsen:

well shouldn't the "Only record new episodes" do that?

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: It should, but if the listings information is off or lacking, those rules can be imperfect

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|Torg|:

emacsen: do you mean new eppisode as n the thing that was recorded last week and just brodcast today?

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emacsen:

oh are these per input source?

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emacsen:

|Torg|, I mean like the Family Guy episode from 2004 isn't what I want :)

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|Torg|:

emacsen: that is a factor of accurate listings, in many cases they are misleading, incomplete or even inaccrurate

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emacsen:

okay... so no more conflict- it still doesn't want to record my show...

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|Torg|:

there is no way for myth to know its a just brodcast new release without having listings that say it is. Sometimes that information is there, sometimes it is not

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emacsen:

oh! I think I understand

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emacsen:

it thinks it'll record it anyway

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emacsen:

like "I'll already have recorded this for you."

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: They're just simple rules... if it isn't recording a new episode, there is some rule that prevents it, or it is recording it earlier or later

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|Torg|:

yes all it knows is "I have already recorded this" or 'I have it scheduled to record later"

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, yeah I get it... I'm gonna need to mess with it

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emacsen:

the problem is if they change the schedule of a show

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|Torg|:

the problem is without writers you have been reciveing reruns for about 3 moths now

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: Not if you chose good parameters for your rules

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, well, okay, let's give the example of MythBusters. I only want the new one

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emacsen:

so I say "Find and record one showing of this title each week"

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: I generally set my shows "Record at any time on $CHANNEL" and set the "Exclude Generic and Repeat Episodes" flag... you will only get new ones from that channel.

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emacsen:

then I say "Only New Episodes"

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iamlindoro_:

"Find and record one showing of this title each week" is not what you want in this case

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, There's no exclude in this version- that sounds nice

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emacsen:

what do I want if not one episode a week

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emacsen:

I was thinking 'This is a weekly show'

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emacsen:

but now it still wants to record it more than once

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iamlindoro_:

In .20.2, do "Record at any time on $CHANNEL" and "Only New Episodes"

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emacsen:

ah, yes- okay it's not perfect but better

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emacsen:

I guess I'll just de-activate some of these

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: When you go to .21 you're be able to do the exclusion filter and it ought to be perfect

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emacsen:

yeah

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emacsen:

well in 2 months :)

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emacsen:

how hard is the upgrade?

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iamlindoro_:

Why 2 months?

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iamlindoro_:

.21 is more a matter of days than months

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iamlindoro_:

And the upgrade depends on your distro

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emacsen:

Hardy is out then

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emacsen:

I thought .21 was in Hardy Heron

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fryfrog:

er

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fryfrog:

i wonder if it will be?

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emacsen:

if not I may upgrade myself

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iamlindoro_:

It is currently

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fryfrog:

i just use svn -fixes of 0.21

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iamlindoro_:

Hardy's alpha builds include .21-fixes

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fryfrog:

(still haven't switched to it, but i have the source checked out)

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fryfrog:

ah, cool :)

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emacsen:

what's .21-fixed?

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emacsen:

fixes

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: release .21 of Mythtv

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fryfrog:

an svn branch that will be "0.21" when it comes out

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emacsen:

yeah so that's .21

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iamlindoro_:

and it will probably see a backport to Gutsy within days of release, anyway, so need to upgrade to Hardy

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fryfrog:

and after that, it will be "0.21" with all the fixes that are done

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iamlindoro_:

er so no need

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|Torg|:

where are these names listed?

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iamlindoro_:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases

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|Torg|:

ok I thguht you were talking about released of mythtv, I was thinking they sounded allot like ubu releases :)

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: Not sure you picked up what I was saying, but I expect you'll see .21 available in Gutsy's Update Manager within a few days of release

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emacsen:

oh! ok

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emacsen:

cool :)

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venkelos:

is .21 more stable than .20 in terms of firewire?

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iamlindoro_:

venkelos: Much

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venkelos:

yay

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emacsen:

firewire?

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iamlindoro_:

venkelos: Well, more dependable, anyway... It's always been stable more or less for me

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venkelos:

i have problems with stuff like channel not tunning the first 3 times after a cold boot

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iamlindoro_:

but organizing devices by GUID instead of port/node helps reboots/unplugs an awful lot

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venkelos:

im hopping those are fixed

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venkelos:

ya my node keeps changing so maybe the GUID will help

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iamlindoro_:

venkelos: That's probably your fault ;)

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iamlindoro_:

venkelos: Are you restabilizing your connection each reboot?

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venkelos:

no

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iamlindoro_:

That's why, then

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venkelos:

what does it mean to restabilize?

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iamlindoro_:

Like it says in the firewire page on the wiki, you need to stabilize the connection each reboot or unplug of the bo

[01:10:04]

iamlindoro_:

box

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iamlindoro_:

I do: firewire_tester -v -b -n 0 && firewire_tester -v -B -n 0 in rc.local for my box on node 0 to stabilize the connection

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venkelos:

i might just add that to the mythbackend startup script

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iamlindoro_:

venkelos: Well, that should work but might require a sleep 5 or something aterwards before attempting to start the backend so that the devices are all available

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venkelos:

oh firewire_tester isnt blocking?

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, you derived the exact *opposite* answer

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iamlindoro_:

I said if you put it in the backend startup script, you may need to sleep a few seconds afterwards so that the devices don't have any issue init'ing when the backend comes up-- but I don't do it there so can't be sure

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venkelos:

ya i meant blocking at a cpu level, as in it the script will stop until firewire_tester returns

[01:14:22]

iamlindoro_:

venkelos: Oh the *script* will stop there, but I would want a good few seconds afterwards before I tried to grab the device, personally

[01:14:43]

iamlindoro_:

again, it's all academic anyway, I personally wouldn't do it there but can't guarantee the behavior either way

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venkelos:

i will when i get home, i need it to work perfectly or my friends will be like 'linux is for noobs, you should install vista and buy some 400 dollar program to do this'

[01:15:26]

venkelos:

and then ill die inside, a little

[01:16:22]

iamlindoro_:

linux is for n00bs sounds a lot like "AIDS is for healthy people" and "murder is for heros"

[01:16:27]

iamlindoro_:

heroes

[01:17:21]

iamlindoro_:

PS, get better friends

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venkelos:

i have them, but my linux friends will never be impressed with a dvr because linux users are so stuck up they dont believe tv has any value

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|Torg|:

venkelos: NO os, be it Windows, Mac or Unix is any way shape or form more or less user friendly. Although I could poit out minir differnces the thing ueers ntice like right vs left mouse buttons, where you put menus, etc are basicly based upon their own experiance

[01:18:44]

|Torg|:

or to be it in a more practical term I can point you tward people who use linux every day and can not use Windows as it is "too difficult to learn"

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venkelos:

linux is more user friendly cuz when you are looking at a guide for most programs, it has command line instructions

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venkelos:

when you look at a windows program guide, it is crap like 'now click x, then drag y to the left'

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|Torg|:

I dont use Linux becas I am stuck up, I use it becasue it efectivly gives me the options I need to use

[01:20:02]

|Torg|:

I run Linux on my desktop (am using it now) as well as for my domain servers

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venkelos:

preaching to the choir, i only have gentoo on any pc i own

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|Torg|:

I have windows on my laptop becase I need Office, and I need it because I use visio for work

[01:20:48]

|Torg|:

but each, in their own way, serves a purpose. And none is any more or less friendly then the other

[01:21:19]

|Torg|:

about the only thing I can say that differs is that in Linux and Unix there is no "are you sure" button, but also it is less restrictive in what it does

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|Torg|:

truly "USer Friendly" Tv would have one button, watch tv. That is it

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|Torg|:

you want to change channels? you want to change volume? that takes complexity, and takes away from user expericance

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|Torg|:

for each piece of complexity you add (or what I wopuld call options) you take away from user friendly

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venkelos:

clearly you've never seen the microsoft word paper clip

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|Torg|:

I have, and make jokes about it too

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emacsen:

|Torg|, are you looking under the covers at all?

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emacsen:

or are you talking about your user experience at the gui?

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|Torg|:

covers?

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|Torg|:

no I am talking about what is generally called a human interface

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emacsen:

like... there's Windows from a user perspective, "Click this, drag this" and then there's "This is what happens inside when you do something"

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|Torg|:

that includes, but is not limted to, what is shows on your screen

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emacsen:

okay, but you don't mean the libraries, drivers, any of that

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|Torg|:

not in a direct way, but yes the ability to use the platform you are on is part of it

[01:25:41]

|Torg|:

if all you want to do is write a paper, get a typewriter, why do you need Word?

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|Torg|:

if all you want to do is watch tv, plug the cable into the back of the TV? why do you want a DVR?

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emacsen:

yes, I agree, but there's the other side too

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emacsen:

like, in Unix, printing has been bad for a long time, because printing isn't as important as, say, piping data through a pipe

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emacsen:

(which you may not be familar with)

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emacsen:

so there's a real emphasis in Unix on making things fit together in layers

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emacsen:

(btw I'm not a huge fan of Unix, it's just that it's what we all use)

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iamlindoro_:

Naw, I use the Myth Windows port exclusively now

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, seriously?

[01:28:09]

iamlindoro_:

No.

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, I'd love to see Myth Windows on ReactOS ;)

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iamlindoro_:

;)

[01:28:56]

emacsen:

though I hear rumors the new totem will talk mythtv

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emacsen:

and w/ zeroconf that'll be nice

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iamlindoro_:

I'm trying to remain open-minded about the Windows Port, honestly... I fear it from a helping-people-in-here perspective, and I fear that people will start writing plugins what will only work on Windows

[01:29:35]

Anduin:

it is hard to speak mythtv, at least reliably

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, Honestly, I doubt that's something we have to worry about. Developers tend to write on the platform they like

[01:30:30]

emacsen:

and Windows people already have similar programs for Windows

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venkelos:

for free?

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venkelos:

my only complaint about mythtv is i hate mythtv-setup

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|Torg|:

why do you hate it?

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venkelos:

i think it should have been a conf file

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venkelos:

that mythbackend reads on start

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** jarle doesn't like having to stop the backend to make adjustments to the config... **

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|Torg|:

its a databse that mythbackend reads on start

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emacsen:

venkelos, I generally agree but someone could write a conf -> db tool

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emacsen:

that's kinda what gconf is

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venkelos:

presumably the config would only need to be set on install, and the realtime editing should all be in frontend

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jarle:

emacsen: or just use phpMyAdmin to edit the db directly...

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|Torg|:

or yse mysql and enter in sql commands on the command line

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emacsen:

venkelos, now, if you'd said "I'd like to give commands to the backend directly" I'd agree with you

[01:33:47]

venkelos:

want the backend to be something which users cannot edit

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emacsen:

or "I wish there were a simple RPC system to talk to the backend

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|Torg|:

do you mean the mythtv protocal?

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emacsen:

|Torg|, well writing a mythtv plugin is a sort of pain

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venkelos:

i mean i can move the binary file mythtv-setup out of /usr/bin or wherever it is

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emacsen:

you have to use the same libraries they use, there's no simple way to use another language, etc.

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emacsen:

and C++ is *shudder*

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venkelos:

but i think r/w permissions on a conf file is cleaner

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: There are Python and Perl bindings for Myth

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, not AFAICT

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|Torg|:

well part of that user firnedly, which is really usabilty, is effency of use. You get that with standards. Mythtv gives you a standard by wich you devince deives, impout and listings and use it in a menaingfull way

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: Then you CT-- Can't tell.

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, url?

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venkelos:

mythtv sort of breaks the linux standard of users not being able to control hardware though

[01:36:58]

emacsen:

venkelos, so does X

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venkelos:

ya, but X has a conf file :)

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|Torg|:

in what way would you like to controll it?

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: svn.mythtv.org

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, yeah I'm gonna read the source, there are no examples :)

[01:38:57]

emacsen:

anyway it's not important now

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venkelos:

also imagine how much easier tech support would be if it were a simple conf file for backend, "If you have a setup similar to this, use this conf"

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: Perl bindings re built any time you build myth

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, I'm a language snob

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venkelos:

haskell ftw

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: obviously

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|Torg|:

venkelos: thats just it, I doubt anyone in here has exactlyt he same hardware

[01:40:09]

emacsen:

anyway maybe in the future

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emacsen:

venkelos, I'd take haskell, even though I don't know it

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venkelos:

haskell is so much fun to program in, once the types check out you almost always have a program that works like you wanted it to

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emacsen:

venkelos, yeah I wish there was a more pure scheme that had better parallelism

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emacsen:

even arc, that stupid language, isn't taking that task on it seems

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emacsen:

which is a real shame

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venkelos:

parallelism is a tough nut to crack

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venkelos:

for any of the important cases

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emacsen:

venkelos, well we're not short of models :)

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venkelos:

im not that familiar with parallel processing on a theoretical level but I am under the impression it is not actually a solved problem

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venkelos:

you can still get code that is questionable if it will halt quite easily

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CCFL_Man2:

i can't find any one of those coupon eligble atsc tuners with s-video output

[01:46:38]

CCFL_Man2:

anyone know of any?

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venkelos:

tuner with output?

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|Torg|:

which coupon?

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CCFL_Man2:

it only applies if you are in the US

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|Torg|:

ok where is the list of tuners that are eligble?

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CCFL_Man2:

you're in the US?

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emacsen:

eww.

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|Torg|:

yes

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iamlindoro_:

It's not just any tuner (ie PCI tuner's don't count), it's ATSC tuner boxes with analog outputs for people with old analog TVs

[01:49:59]

emacsen:

I just noticed my new tuner is not available

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emacsen:

can I query it for why?

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emacsen:

it's /dev/video0 and /dev/video0 is there. the user's in the group too

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CCFL_Man2:

|Torg|: dtv2009.org

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: i can't find any with s-video

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iamlindoro_:

CCFL_Man2: What do you want with a D/A converter anyway?

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: it's still an atsc tuner

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iamlindoro_:

CCFL_Man2: Thought you would only accept a full digital signal :)

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CCFL_Man2:

lol

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emacsen:

oh no saa7134 module

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CCFL_Man2:

well, the thing is, none of them will tune qam, ever

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CCFL_Man2:

only atsc, and the best output they will have is s-video

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iamlindoro_:

Well... yeah... but that's not what the point of them is

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iamlindoro_:

They only exist to give people with old TVs access to the airwaves

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CCFL_Man2:

not really old though

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emacsen:

WARNING: Error inserting video_buf (/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/video-buf.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)

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emacsen:

hrm

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CCFL_Man2:

i want one with epg too

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|Torg|:

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=CM-7000

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iamlindoro_:

CCFL_Man2: I think you are barking up the wrong tree... These boxes are made for the Lowest Common Denominator

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|Torg|:

thats just the first link on google

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emacsen:

actually no that isn't it

[02:00:18]

emacsen:

it seems I can't find the other device (I have two tuners)

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: i read the specs on them, whats required, and whats optional

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: they are required to have rf output, compsite video and analog audio, required to have btsc stereo audio on rf, required to have signal tuning info. but an epg and s-video output is permitted, but optional

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iamlindoro_:

CCFL_Man2: I'm not arguing that they can have those features, just saying that for myth purposes they are limited use

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iamlindoro_:

Only really applies if you *have* to use your old analog tuner with antenna, in the USA... That's a fairly small cross-section of myth users.

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, any ideas for me?

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: oh yeah, they are pretty much useless :P

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: Did you recently reboot?

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, I just tried rebooting to see if it'd initialize

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emacsen:

didn't help

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: That's not what I'm saying

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iamlindoro_:

I wasn't suggesting a reboot

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, before that, no

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iamlindoro_:

I was saying your problem was probably caused by one

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emacsen:

I hadn't before

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emacsen:

but mythbackend knew about the card

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: Well, I don't have the time right now to troubleshoot this-- I expect you using two tuners without having set up a udev rule for them to come up named consistently is your problem

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, ah possibly

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: infact, other than pbs, i find most broadcast tv total crap :P

[02:10:48]

CCFL_Man2:

i like the zenith because it has a blue led :P

[02:10:57]

CCFL_Man2:

i think i'll get the zenith :P

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emacsen:

oh nice, mythstream had podcast support

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venkelos:

i get these a lot, "NVP: Video is 3.05605 frames ahead of audio, doubling video frame interval to slow down." when doing mythfrontend -v playback

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: It's March now already and I'm getting impatient with Hauppauge!

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iamlindoro_:

Tanthrix: Heh, I think it's gonna be April-May

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venkelos:

also the system seems to randomly need to do 'NVP: prebuffering pause' followed by like 5 lins of "NVP: waiting for prebuffer.."

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emacsen:

the one thing I wish myth did better was syncronize the functions of mythweb with the ui

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emacsen:

eg some things are much easier to do with one or the other, or impossible to do from one or the other

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: *everything* in mythweb can be done in the frontend

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venkelos:

is this normal behavior and what might the cause be? the resulting movie seems to be jumpy at times and perfect otherwise im guessing due to prebuffering pause for a split second

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iamlindoro_:

but not necessarily vice versa

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, eh, I don't see a way to easily see all the shows you have told it to record

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emacsen:

just in a simple list

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: Just 'cause it's not as easy/presentable doesn't mean all the info isn't there

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, okay fair nuff

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iamlindoro_:

Like, in that case Main Menu: Manage Recordings->Upcoming Recordings

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, lemme ask a dumb question

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emacsen:

in the mythbackend setup, does it only list cards it SEES?

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iamlindoro_:

In which step?

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jamesd:

emacsen, no

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iamlindoro_:

The list shows the cards which have been setup in mythtv-setup

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Tanthrix:

It only lists the cards that are setup.

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emacsen:

what do you mean setup

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iamlindoro_:

properly configured

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iamlindoro_:

added to the database...

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iamlindoro_:

etc

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iamlindoro_:

etc

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Tanthrix:

As in, at some point you went in and told myth "hey, I have a PVR-150, these are the settings, etc.."

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emacsen:

but does it know if I have a pvr150?

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iamlindoro_:

'cause that's what the box said when you bought it?

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iamlindoro_:

erm, sorry, misread

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: If you set it up as one and it was a valid configuration at that time, then yes, it would have a setup entry for your pvr-150

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Tanthrix:

But no, it doesn't really know anyting besides default values for certain cards and the ability to detect some things once you tell it to.

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emacsen:

oh, no it's just a listing of cards

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emacsen:

not cards it sees you have

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: You are being frustratingly vague

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, I have two capture cards in this box. One works, one doesn

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iamlindoro_:

"it's just a listing" in WHAT STEP?

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Tanthrix:

I was just about to say that myself.

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emacsen:

I'm trying to find the name of the one that doesn't. I don't remember what it was. I don't see anything in lspci to help me

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emacsen:

and so I was using mythbackend to try to detect it

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emacsen:

but it doesn't detect- it just lists the cards it knows how to work with

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: I'll answer the question for you, you are talking about Step 2, capture card setup

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emacsen:

yes

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iamlindoro_:

Step four is a list of all cards configured in your system

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emacsen:

oh I see. I'm sorry

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emacsen:

yes I meant step 2

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iamlindoro_:

further, just because you don't see anything in lspci doesn't me *we* wouldn't

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iamlindoro_:

mean

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iamlindoro_:

in one pastebin, paste the following:

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iamlindoro_:

dmesg | grep -i dvb

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iamlindoro_:

lspci

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iamlindoro_:

dmesg | grep -i video

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iamlindoro_:

All in one pastebin, and put the address here

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emacsen:

k. I also may have found the issue

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emacsen:

http://pastebin.org/22822

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emacsen:

it's not initing the saa right

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emacsen:

or I'm on crack and never had one

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emacsen:

yup, it's just a v4l device

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emacsen:

no... nevermind. it's been a long day

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xris:

iamlindoro_: there's actually a lot of stuff the frontend does that mythweb can't.. setup/config, specifically

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fryfrog:

holey crap

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emacsen:

xris, yes he said that

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iamlindoro_:

xris: That's what I was saying

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fryfrog:

i just met mark zuckerberg (name maybe misspelled)

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xris:

but I won't add a lot of that stuff to the web UI until there's some sort of API so I don't have to update mythweb every time someone tweaks the frontend.

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fryfrog:

berg, aparantly

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iamlindoro_:

xris: What I was saying was all the info in mythweb was in mythfrontend, but not vice versa

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xris:

ah, misread that, then.

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xris:

I thought emacsen was the one who said "but not vice versa"

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, see anything?

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: well, presumably you have a Digital Tuner of some sort-- would be hopeful to know which, though

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iamlindoro_:

moreover, you're using *some* experimental driver

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, well I have two. The computer came with one, but it was so long ago I forgot. The recent one is the USB one... a haupaug 950

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iamlindoro_:

So my immediate suspicion is that you compiled the experimental drivers and then updated kernels

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iamlindoro_:

Which, if you ran something like Ubuntu updates, is very likely

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, yea I had to in order to get the 950 to work

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emacsen:

simpler, I just got the mercurial ones

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iamlindoro_:

So if you *did* update kernels after that, then you are going to need to recompile against the new kernel

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emacsen:

wait

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iamlindoro_:

And as you are working with experimental drivers, #linuxtv is probably the better place to seek help with them

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emacsen:

the experimental driver is working

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iamlindoro_:

emacsen: I would still seek help in #linuxtv, It's Friday night, I don't really want to troubleshoot experimental drivers

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emacsen:

yup

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emacsen:

I understand

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, I'll work on this, maybe tomorrow :)

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james_:

hi

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lwizardl:

thats better

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venkelos:

so any idea with my issue? "NVP: prebuffering pause" mid show? and a bunch of instances where "NVP: Video is x frames ahead of audio, doubling video frame interval to slow down"

[03:05:54]

lwizardl:

I'm tired of trying to use this dell POS for a myth box so I'm looking at these parts for my build anyone wanna tell me how this should be for use as a myth box

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lwizardl:

(front end & back end)

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lwizardl:

both builds have same cpu/ram/case but the mobo's are different on them

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lwizardl:

CPU Intel Pentinum 4 3.0GHZ 2MB L2 cache, 2gb DDR2 667 RAM (dual channel), case has 450w PSU

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lwizardl:

mobo 1 = has 1066/800mhz FSB, 8 channel audio on board, but no onboard video

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lwizardl:

mobo 2 = has 1066/800mhz FSB, 6 channel audio on board, Intel GMA 950 video on board

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cesman:

lwizardl: that is what you current have and you are looking to replace it?

[03:13:32]

lwizardl:

i currently have a 2.2ghz 512K l2 cache, Intel 845G on board video (that I can't disable)

[03:13:57]

lwizardl:

I'm trying to decide on which mobo would be better for my build

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lwizardl:

since my current Intel video I can not disable. even in bios all i have is "Auto" or "On Board" and when you chose Auto linux detects them both and tries to use the new fx5500 as a secondary card

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lwizardl:

and fails the hardware install everytime

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venger:

well what price are you talking. that chip sounds like the second gen prescott which would date around 2004, one of the earlies 775 processors

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lwizardl:

"Loading hardware drivers... [fail] [ 918.315458] intel_rng: WH not detected

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lwizardl:

venger, that CPU is about $70

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lwizardl:

venger, btw nice name, you get it from from D&D cartoon?

[03:17:45]

venger:

yep

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lwizardl:

:)

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venger:

although most people wouldn't know that

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purserj:

²A#²A/win 2

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purserj:

sigh

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lwizardl:

I've always liked that show grew up watching it

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venger:

the prescott was known for running hot, i know because i had one. you can get better performance off a newer amd probably athlon or earlier x2 anyway

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venger:

dollar for dollar that is

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lwizardl:

yeah but I was told to stick with intel for HDTV

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lwizardl:

I plan to transcode (record to the HDD) 2 HD streams at the same time

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cesman:

lwizardl: I'd say that was true at one point....

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venger:

it'd only apply to c2d anyway and thats another price bracket

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cesman:

like 3 or 4 years ago

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lwizardl:

but I have always prefered AMD chips

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lwizardl:

so AMD 2would still do what I want no problem?

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cesman:

yes

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lwizardl:

-2

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lwizardl:

sweet, forget these intels then :)

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venger:

yes that prescott is in the era that intel was behind

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lwizardl:

now I gotta find a mobo to meet what I want

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venger:

amd boards tend to run cheaper anyway

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lwizardl:

the board i was going to get was only $50

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venger:

i can't comment on the HD part, i still do SD

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venger:

last i read, supporting the video cards onboard decoders weren't supported under linux.. has that changed?

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cesman:

venger: w/ certain cards, you can use XvMC

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venger:

like for the 8500GT an onward for example

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lwizardl:

venger, well for bringing in the video I'm going to be using x2 pchdtv 5500

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venger:

yea, my understanding is if the card decode can be used you could go with alot less cpu

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cesman:

lwizardl: tuner _not_ video

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** cesman wouldn't recommend a 8500GT **

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cesman:

way more power than one needs

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** Deek has a 6600GT **

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venger:

well thats the earliest stage of purevideo isn't? thats why i mentioned it

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lwizardl:

my current video card i'm using is a fx5500

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lwizardl:

and in this dell pos its junk

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venger:

deek you doing HD playback ok on your 6600gt? what processor you running?

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Deek:

Ath64 3200+

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venger:

i bet that proc could be had for less than $70 lwizardl without checking

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sphery:

Darn. The MythTV database backup script I just wrote is 798 lines. Maybe I should add 3 lines of debug output just to cross the 800-line mark.

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lwizardl:

hehe about same price AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Brisbane 2.2GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor Model ADO4200DOBOX – Retail

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venger:

right, so you know now amd is the way to go in that price range

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venger:

i know from experience in my application the backend don't need much

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lwizardl:

yeah but this is bith

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lwizardl:

*both

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sphery:

I have 2 backends--neither of which can play back the TV they record...

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emacsen:

iamlindoro, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lin . . . /+bug/192559 so I feel better

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sphery:

commflagging takes up to 2:1

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venger:

well my statement somehwat implies the concern lies more with the frontend requirements

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lwizardl:

yes

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sphery:

frontend is where all the power should be...

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venger:

i wonder what the 9600gt does, that things like $150.00

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lwizardl:

sphery, yeah because its going to play all it back

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sphery:

If you're talking NVIDIA, the 8x00 series and above do not support XvMC (so you'll have to use software = CPU decoding)

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venger:

sphery, so ooc the 6/7 series do?

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sphery:

Yeah.

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sphery:

The 6/7 series do not support overlay, so you lose the Xv picture controls (contrast, brightness, ... for video).

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mzb:

iirc, other have basically recommended either fx5200 or 6200

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sphery:

The 5 series has XvMC and overlay, but is next on the chopping block (I'd guess within months will no longer be supported by new NVIDIA drivers)

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mzb:

*others

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lwizardl:

ok how is this mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138077

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venger:

so its mcuh more related to the driver itself and not hardware capability. i was reading your statements a bit differently

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sphery:

I have 6200's for 3 systems. I have a 7800 for one (but I got the 7800 for OpenGL stuff--not really for the frontend).

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sphery:

Well, the hardware capability changed pretty significantly in the 6x series and again in the 8x series. The drivers have just been designed to support only what's appropriate for the hardware.

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sphery:

But, even so, the amount of acceleration you get for HDTV from XvMC on a 6200 wouldn't really differ from the amount you could theoretically get from an 8800 (if it supported it)--even though the 8800 is a much faster card. Maybe for extra-super-high definition it would be a different story, but...

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sphery:

In other words, the 6200 is plenty capable for 2D video with Myth.

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venger:

so if support gets chopped like you say, then whats the alternative?

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venger:

ati!?!? =)

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** cesman only recommends nvidia **

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GreyFoxx:

faster cpus

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sphery:

(With the OpenGL renderer that will be in 0.22--yeah the one after the upcoming 0.21 release--you may even need >8 series for 1080i60/1080p30, especially with timestretch...

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venger:

lwizardl, ill look at that biostar some more for you in a few but my first peice of advice is don't jump

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sphery:

ATI might be good once something (driver wise) comes from the specifications being released.

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lwizardl:

venger, yeah I just seen it has my need for PCI

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knowledgejunkie:

sphery: what's the current status with NVidia 6/7xxx series cards and the black and wide OSD 'issue'?

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lwizardl:

venger, and nice to have no on board video to deal with

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hatchmt:

so, if I'm getting a little bit choppy with OSD when viewing HD content, I probably need a faster GPU? I have an FX5200 as is...

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knowledgejunkie:

i'm still in ATi and Intel land here :)

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GreyFoxx:

hatchmt: I use fx5200's with a Sempron 2600+ for watching HDTV

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GreyFoxx:

works perfectly fine

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GreyFoxx:

not H264 hdtv though

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hatchmt:

huh... I'm running it with a P4 3.0

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venger:

you also need to think if you want to try to use your current ram if even feasible and if you had to go with new you best deals are probably going to be in DDR2 land but i dont knwo that

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hatchmt:

Anyway, that's not why I came into the channel tonight. :)

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sphery:

knowledgejunkie: AIUI, if using XvMC, you'll get B&W OSD with the 6 and 7 series because the colorkey hack (which relies on video overlay, which was dropped from the 6 series and above). If using OpenGL renderer (trunk/0.22+), you can get color, but you may need more than just a 6 series for that (especially if doing both video and OSD in OpenGL)

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sphery:

I use a 7 series with CPU (software) decode and get beautiful color OSD.

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sphery:

as GreyFoxx said, "faster cpus"

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lwizardl:

venger, and nice to have no on board video to deal with?

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hatchmt:

One of my input sources is an ATI TV Wonder (bttv), and the brightness, or contrast, or saturation (or all three) is way too high, to the point where bright scenes are unwatchable. Grey text on a white background doesn't even show up.

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hatchmt:

Is there any way to control those settings on that one input only?

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hatchmt:

it affects every channel on that card

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hatchmt:

n/m, I think I just figured it out

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sphery:

do tell... I was trying to figure it out for you

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knowledgejunkie:

I guess for my setup with SDTV, XvMC is pretty much irrelevant anyway – my C2D test box has an i945GM GPU onboard (which supports XvMC should the need arise) but it's perfectly fine with regular Xv

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sphery:

knowledgejunkie: Yeah. IMHO, a good CPU is infinitely more useful than hardware accelerated video decoding.

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sphery:

where "good CPU" means enough for the tasks its asked to perform (i.e. for an SDTV only machine, doesn't have to be super powerful).

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knowledgejunkie:

yeah – my test box currently has the fastest CPU of all my boxen – the others are all still 'fast enough' to not warrant upgrading them

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sphery:

Yeah. Fast enough is the reason I haven't been able to buy the new toys I want... :(

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sphery:

We need to write more inefficient code in Myth so I have an excuse to upgrade.

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lwizardl:

how can you tell if a fx5500 can do hdtv output?

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sphery:

shouldn't be a problem (as long as it's not PCI)

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sphery:

I was doing 1080p60 with a GeForce 4 MX 440

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lwizardl:

this one is PCI only

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DustyBin:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/milestone/0.21

[03:58:07]

DustyBin:

98%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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** DustyBin wets himself again **

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sphery:

Then it might be a problem. The card supports that resolution, but the PCI bus may not be sufficiently fast to get good performance out of it.

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sphery:

There were a few threads discussing HDTV and PCI. Different people had different experiences (based on their video types, motherboards/chipsets, ...)

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sphery:

check the -users list.

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lwizardl:

k

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lwizardl:

also is pci express x16 or x1 better?

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knowledgejunkie:

x16 – 16x the love

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lwizardl:

thought so

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sphery:

lwizardl: for PCI, see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/177902#177902 (whole thread). PCIe, though, is fine (no problems for PCIe video cards)

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lwizardl:

k

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venger:

GreyFoxx, so on your setup watching HDTV on fx5200 w/sempron, thats mpeg4 software decoded ?

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GreyFoxx:

venger: mpeg2 hdtv, mpeg4(h264) hdtv encodings I've made myself from mpeg2 originals

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GreyFoxx:

The card is just for display

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GreyFoxx:

display/scaling I guess, the cpu is doing all the decoding

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venger:

well the atsc/qam cards just capture the stream as is right? i was trying to confirm the format which sounds like mpeg2 now

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GreyFoxx:

Sempron 2600+ that runs 2 X instances and seperate frontends (but only 1 is ever playing at a time)

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GreyFoxx:

venger: Yes, they read the signal your source sends out

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GreyFoxx:

Its almost always mpeg2

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venger:

so ooc, how do you playback those h264 records if not with the 5200s

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venger:

/records/recordings

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GreyFoxx:

well they aren't actually recordings, but stuff I've reencoded. cpu does all the work

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GreyFoxx:

IOve been experimenting a lot lately with transcoding my stuff, recordingfs and DVD's to h264

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Aval0n:

arg

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Aval0n:

blootube wide doesn't work with current svn

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Aval0n:

bummer

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flynch:

quick question: doesn't the svn version of mythmusic integrate with a streaming solution like jinsora? cna anyone tell me what its called?

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Deek:

lwizardl: playing back tonight's (1080i) NUMB3RS is using up about 48% CPU on my 3200+

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Deek:

with two jobs running

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Deek:

flindet: last.fm?

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Deek:

err, flynch

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flynch:

Deek: ya?

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venger:

Deek you got a combined setup?

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Deek:

venger: yeah

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venger:

doesn't sound too bad at all for a 3200

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Deek:

only half a gig of RAM

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Deek:

flynch: your "streaming solution" question

[04:32:36]

flynch:

yeah I think I remember colin talking about integrating mythmusic with a streaming solution like jinsora, but it was something else... IIRC it was a bit more newfangled with lots of ajax, but I'm drawing a blank on its name...

[04:33:21]

Deek:

what exactly is a streaming solution, anyway? :)

[04:33:51]

flynch:

a music streaming server that would integrate with mythweb... something like http://en.jinzora.com/

[04:34:26]

flynch:

I think colin guterie (I'm sure I misspelled his last name) did some work on this? So I'm guessing that you can't enlighten me?

[04:36:20]

flynch:

ah just found it ... it was mp3act that colin was talking about using

[04:42:56]

Tanthrix:

Anyone know of any decent non-horrendously expensive coax cable testers that do more than simple contiunity checks?

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venger:

while checking out titantv under digital broadcasts, i assume thats the local atsc list, i see a block that says paid programming under wfmydt, how is paid programming possible??

[04:52:37]

Aval0n:

iamlindoro: there?

[04:52:52]

venger:

Tanthrix, is it possible to terminate one end and there is a expected ohm value to read? (per distance)

[04:53:48]

Deek:

venger: huh? How is paid programming possible?

[04:54:06]

Tanthrix:

I suspect such a value exists, but I was hoping to find something a bit more comprehensive and simply to use than whipping out my meter.

[04:54:08]

venger:

Deek, yea on atsc?

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iamlindoro:

venger: Paid Programming = an Infomercial...

[04:54:30]

iamlindoro:

Aval0n: Yep...

[04:54:31]

Deek:

venger: Are you really asking how it's possible to have infomercials on ATSC?

[04:54:32]

venger:

lol

[04:54:49]

Aval0n:

I am using today's svn

[04:54:55]

venger:

sorry i misunderstood it

[04:54:56]

Aval0n:

and switched back to internal player

[04:55:01]

Aval0n:

but the OSD looks like mplayer

[04:55:05]

Aval0n:

is that normal?

[04:55:10]

Aval0n:

blue box with green status bar

[04:55:30]

iamlindoro:

Aval0n: Heh, nope... But then again, mplayer's OSD isn't a blue box with green status bar

[04:55:34]

Deek:

mplayer has a blue box with green status bar?

[04:55:37]

Aval0n:

lol

[04:55:39]

Aval0n:

ahh

[04:55:41]

Aval0n:

never mind

[04:55:42]

Aval0n:

:)

[04:56:09]

iamlindoro:

Suddenly realized it was the myth player you were looking at, huh? ;)

[04:56:14]

Aval0n:

lol

[04:56:14]

Aval0n:

yeah

[04:56:19]

Aval0n:

just tehn

[04:56:22]

Aval0n:

then*

[04:56:23]

Aval0n:

:)

[04:56:27]

iamlindoro:

all good

[04:56:32]

Aval0n:

haha thanks

[04:56:36]

iamlindoro:

np

[04:56:44]

Aval0n:

i forgot to reset my OSD theme

[04:57:04]

Deek:

blootube-osd?

[04:57:44]

Aval0n:

hmm

[04:57:48]

Aval0n:

it's chugging

[04:57:50]

Aval0n:

until I pause it

[04:57:52]

Aval0n:

and resume

[04:57:53]

Aval0n:

then it's fine

[04:58:27]

iamlindoro:

Aval0n: Are you playing over a network?

[04:58:31]

Aval0n:

no

[04:58:36]

Aval0n:

it's on the BE

[04:59:02]

iamlindoro:

Hmm, well then it's possible you're trying to play something with too high a bitrate, I suppose, and it needs more buffer

[04:59:24]

iamlindoro:

frontend log would be more enlightening, though

[04:59:55]

Aval0n:

=(

[04:59:55]

iamlindoro:

probably need to play with playback profiles

[05:00:09]

Aval0n:

or just go back to mplayer hehehe

[05:00:36]

Aval0n:

yeha like plays 3 seconds pause

[05:00:36]

iamlindoro:

If you say so, I'd just play with playback profiles myself-- if you just went to SVN they're probably all at the defaults

[05:00:41]

Aval0n:

3 pause 3 peause 3 pause

[05:00:53]

Aval0n:

k ill look

[05:01:12]

iamlindoro:

TV Settings->Playback, page 3

[05:01:32]

Aval0n:

yeah

[05:01:35]

Aval0n:

it's the same

[05:01:43]

Aval0n:

it kept the settings from my old DB

[05:01:54]

iamlindoro:

Then they probably need some work

[05:02:54]

Aval0n:

hmm

[05:02:59]

iamlindoro:

you can also have myth use skiploopfilter just like mplayer, and you should set CPUS=2

[05:03:04]

Aval0n:

well for the res above all my 480i stuff

[05:03:09]

Aval0n:

I have it set to xblit

[05:03:13]

Aval0n:

no deinterlacing

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Aval0n:

ffmpeg

[05:03:29]

Aval0n:

it's CPU+

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Aval0n:

decoder=standard

[05:05:20]

iamlindoro:

skiploopfilter needs to be set in the database, there's no GUI option for it..

[05:05:38]

iamlindoro:

But in playback profiles there is a CPU selector box, you need that set to 2

[05:05:42]

vortex`:

can anyone suggest how to get a copy of shepherd for getting australian tv data? thier website is down currently..

[05:05:51]

iamlindoro:

otherwise multithreaded playback isn't on...

[05:06:02]

Aval0n:

it is

[05:06:28]

Aval0n:

set to 2

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vortex`:

or failing that, is there a way ti simply see my DVB-T without bothering about program info at this stage?

[05:06:54]

iamlindoro:

Janne's post here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/254009 explains how to set the DB for skiploopfilter

[05:07:00]

vortex`:

i dont even know if it *works* yet

[05:07:10]

iamlindoro:

the patch there should already be part of current SVN IIRC

[05:08:07]

Aval0n:

that's all for mplayer

[05:08:14]

Aval0n:

unless it's in a reply

[05:08:16]

iamlindoro:

no

[05:08:22]

iamlindoro:

janne's post

[05:08:29]

iamlindoro:

I'm not a total idiot you know...

[05:08:41]

Aval0n:

I know...

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Aval0n:

thought maybe you just posted the wrong link

[05:08:49]

Aval0n:

my bad :)

[05:10:32]

vortex`:

is there any way to simply watch my DVB-T card without bothering about channel and program info?

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vortex`:

just installed the card and mythtv, but having myth issues, i just want to make sure the card works at this point..

[05:12:11]

iamlindoro:

Aval0n: Looks like the patch still needs to be applied these days-- after that w/ CPUS=2 in playback profiles and skiploopfilter set in the DB, playback should be near-identical in speed to mplayer

[05:13:06]

Aval0n:

so I d/l that .diff in here post and run it

[05:13:30]

iamlindoro:

well... no, you use the patch command to apply patches

[05:14:14]

iamlindoro:

and you apply it to the source and recompile...

[05:14:39]

Aval0n:

woot

[05:14:57]

Aval0n:

so

[05:15:03]

Aval0n:

man patch?

[05:15:04]

Aval0n:

lol

[05:15:10]

iamlindoro:

yes

[05:15:15]

Aval0n:

k ;)

[05:15:48]

Aval0n:

well that's easy it's just patch file.diff

[05:15:59]

iamlindoro:

heh you wish

[05:16:09]

Aval0n:

no?

[05:18:01]

iamlindoro:

That patch is *old*... odds are you're going to have to plug most of it in manually

[05:18:18]

Aval0n:

does the patch just edit sql settings

[05:18:18]

Aval0n:

?

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iamlindoro:

unless janneg has updated it and there's a more recent version in a ticket somewhere

[05:18:30]

iamlindoro:

Aval0n: No

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Aval0n:

doh

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iamlindoro:

Aval0n: Why don't you look at it? It tells you what source files it changes, and what it does...

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iamlindoro:

Aval0n: You also shouldn't just patch and recompile blindly, I only suggested it as a possibility... AFAIK you haven't even looked at your frontend logs yet, there may be a simple reason...

[05:21:36]

iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4653

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iamlindoro:

And see? Looks like a new version of the patch

[05:22:31]

Aval0n:

ty

[05:22:39]

iamlindoro:

Even adds a checkbox for it...

[05:23:12]

iamlindoro:

looks like that checkbox goes in playback profiles also

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vortex`:

never mind, worked it out.

[05:28:55]

Tanthrix:

Man there is fat little on the net about coax equipment in terms of reviews and talk.

[05:29:22]

** Tanthrix is going to have to pick at random the RG6 compression tool that looks the shiniest **

[05:30:25]

iamlindoro:

Tanthrix: Heh, that's what I did!

[05:30:38]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: What'd you end up with, and do you like it?

[05:31:49]

iamlindoro:

Tanthrix: I got a DataShark compression crimper... and yeah, it seems ok, although aside from being able to say it's good build quality I don't have much more to say about it

[05:33:09]

Tanthrix:

I will not buy that one simply because the datashark wire stripper is such a complete piece of junk.

[05:33:17]

Tanthrix:

(The one that comes in the kit with the crimper)

[05:33:35]

Aval0n:

uhg I still can't figure out how to patch this stupid thin

[05:33:36]

Aval0n:

b

[05:34:04]

iamlindoro:

Aval0n: I can tell you from looking at it that several of the hunks will need to be manually applied

[05:34:17]

Aval0n:

great

[05:34:18]

iamlindoro:

Aval0n: Start with patch --dry-run -p0 < skiploopfilter.diff

[05:34:31]

iamlindoro:

Which will not apply anything, just tell you what the failures are

[05:35:06]

Aval0n:

says patch ends unexpectedly in middle of line

[05:35:19]

iamlindoro:

Then when it says "HUNK 4 FAILED in BLAH BLAH FILE" go look at that hunk, look at the lines around what it adds, and go find those lines. Add the new lines manually (making sure to remove the +'s)

[05:35:39]

iamlindoro:

Aval0n: You botched something then, I just downloaded the patch and have no such problem

[05:36:03]

iamlindoro:

Pleasssssse don't make me remake the patch for you

[05:36:48]

Aval0n:

well weird

[05:36:50]

Aval0n:

when I save as

[05:36:55]

Aval0n:

it wants to save as html

[05:37:04]

Aval0n:

when I click it... I get a html view of it

[05:37:12]

Aval0n:

if I wget http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . ettings.diff it still botches it

[05:37:18]

Aval0n:

how did you d/l it?

[05:37:22]

** iamlindoro smacks his hand to his face **

[05:37:29]

iamlindoro:

Scroll all the way down on that page....

[05:37:34]

iamlindoro:

See anything interesting?

[05:38:06]

** Tanthrix coughs "ORIGINAL FORMAT" **

[05:38:32]

Aval0n:

I see comma-delimited tab-delimited and RSS feed

[05:38:34]

Aval0n:

that's it

[05:39:45]

iamlindoro:

on the link you just posted ending in .diff?

[05:40:00]

Aval0n:

yes...

[05:40:21]

** Tanthrix coughs "ORIGINAL FORMAT" .... again **

[05:40:22]

Aval0n:

doh

[05:40:23]

Aval0n:

nvm

[05:40:27]

Aval0n:

<-- retard

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** iamlindoro loses a little of his faith in humanity **

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Aval0n:

yeah hunk 4 failed

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Aval0n:

what signifies hunks in the diff

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Aval0n:

if i'm looking for hunk4

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iamlindoro:

@@

[05:45:06]

Aval0n:

there's a crapload of those

[05:45:57]

Aval0n:

so what is there like 200 hunks

[05:46:03]

iamlindoro:

No

[05:46:22]

iamlindoro:

Aval0n: Seriously, you probably ought to just go back to mplayer for mkv for now until this is committed

[05:46:25]

Aval0n:

is it the =================== sections

[05:46:38]

iamlindoro:

hose represent the starts of files

[05:46:51]

Aval0n:

it's just on hunk away.. and I gotta really hunky guy help me out :)

[05:46:54]

Aval0n:

one*

[05:46:56]

Aval0n:

lol

[05:47:01]

iamlindoro:

No you're not, trust me

[05:47:28]

Aval0n:

ok so I look for the file globalsettings

[05:47:32]

Aval0n:

see what its' trying to do

[05:47:39]

Aval0n:

open the globalsettings.h

[05:47:43]

Aval0n:

and paste it in

[05:47:48]

Aval0n:

minus the +'s?

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iamlindoro:

No

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iamlindoro:

Aval0n: I'm seriously going to bed, I'm not staying up any later to teach you how to parse patch files, I'm totally beat... and the patch doesn't apply cleanly, it requires that you rewrite parts of it

[05:48:53]

iamlindoro:

For now I'd just go on using mplayer and someone is bound to update the patch soon

[05:48:54]

Aval0n:

ok...

[05:49:10]

Aval0n:

thanks anyway

[05:49:16]

iamlindoro:

I may even do it myself sometime tomorrow, but I gotta get up at 5 and go running

[05:49:22]

Aval0n:

k

[05:49:26]

Aval0n:

ty

[05:50:08]

Aval0n:

shit

[05:50:09]

Aval0n:

lol

[05:50:18]

Aval0n:

I lost the mplayer string ahh well i'll play with it

[05:51:28]

lwizardl:

hey iamlindoro

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Aval0n:

mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv -monitoraspect 16:9 -lavdopts threads=4:fast:skiploopfilter=all -sws 0 %s

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Aval0n:

bah

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iamlindoro:

Aval0n: http://rafb.net/p/CBpCDZ31.txt Happy Birthday — Fixed to patch current SVN. Put that into a file in your root mythtv source dir, patch -p0 < mypatch.diff and rebuild. (Option gets added to playback profiles) Now I'm going to bed.

[06:44:08]

iamlindoro:

Aval0n: Just tested on my lower-end system where certain h.264 files were coming close to maxing out the internal player, CPU usage is decreased by ~30%... this should help you

[06:51:20]

lwizardl:

hey iamlindoro any clue on why my screen goes 16:9 and blue?

[06:53:35]

iamlindoro:

lwizardl: No, I'm just going to bed-- Answers on that will be in the frontend log (or if you don't have a frontend log, by running mythfrontend -v most from the terminal) but I would guess it had something to do with your video driver being wrong or insufficient-- that'll have to do for tonight, I'm afraid, I need to be up in like 6 hours

[06:54:03]

iamlindoro:

once you run mythfrontend -v most, try to watch TV, and pay attention to that spot in the console output

[06:54:11]

iamlindoro:

That should hopefully get you started

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lwizardl:

k

[06:54:16]

iamlindoro:

g'night!

[06:54:16]

lwizardl:

thanks

[07:00:16]

Aval0n:

lol iamlindoro

[07:00:20]

Aval0n:

weren't you going to bed

[07:00:37]

Aval0n:

oh crap

[07:00:41]

Aval0n:

I just looked up

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Aval0n:

thanks iamlindoro!

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tarbo:

hello $C

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tarbo:

hello #mythtv-users

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tarbo:

hello #mythtv-users freenode

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jduggan:

hello?

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tarbo:

jduggan: sorry, stupidity caused that accidental spam

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fatmatt:

heyas, anyone here from Australia done the switch to the new tvguide.org grabber?

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mzb:

no

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hnitsuj:

bloody hell there's still an amazing amount of non-clued-ness about interlacing on the -users ml. ach well. bless em

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mzb:

fatmatt: why not use shepherd and/or EIT?

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mzb:

hnitsuj: ;)

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fatmatt:

mzb, EIT? is that the thing thats attached to the digital chanels?

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mzb:

all the tvguide.org info is ancient ... and does not work afaik

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mzb:

use shepherd

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mzb:

makes your life easier (once you get it setup properly;)

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mzb:

ps: join the mailing list

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fatmatt:

I'm on the oztivo mailing list, got a url for shepherd?

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mzb:

re: EIT: google will give you a more accurate answer than I can

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mzb:

google: shepherd whuffy

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fatmatt:

oh yah, last time I had EIT turned on in myth I was lucky to get 24hrs of guide data

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mzb:

yep

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mzb:

well in that case you know more about it than me :)

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mzb:

shepherd works find for me ... quite happy with it

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mzb:

will worry about EIT sometime later

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mzb:

be aware that shepherd is quite complex, and self-updating

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mzb:

follow the wiki instructions and don't fiddle until you work out what it's doing ;)

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mzb:

s/works find/works fine/ (beer isn't working properly;)

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fatmatt:

I've had the mythtv box running since I think v14 or somesuch, about 5 years more or less. Few upgrades (debian to ubuntu) few extra bits of hardware now and then but oztivo has been the most reliable guide data I've had, so reliable that when I originally set it up as a test I just bodged the D1.com.au grabber I was using before to test it out and I'm still using the bodged config

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fatmatt:

anyway, I've forgotten how most of it works now it's been so reliable for the last couple of years I haven't had to touch it. Now my head hurts working out the guide data

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mzb:

yep

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fatmatt:

might just try turning on EIT and see if it's gotten any better, good idea

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mzb:

baseball bat or a stubbie might be a good remedy ;)

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mzb:

afaik, EIT is now for 7 days (as of 20080102)

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mzb:

but I've not tried it

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mzb:

I'd prefer to trust shepherd than freetv.au

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fatmatt:

ABC was good for data,

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fatmatt:

back in the day

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fatmatt:

apart from telling mythtv to "enable onair guide" is there something else I should do?

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mzb:

not sure

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mzb:

just get shepherd? ;))

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mzb:

with your experience you shouldn't have much trouble understanding the concepts

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mzb:

and the setup + install is dead simple

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mzb:

(being self-updating and all;)

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fatmatt:

If I can just turn something on rather than configure something then I'm sticking with that

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fatmatt:

I don't have time these daya

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mzb:

fair enough

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mzb:

let me know how you go (if you can)

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fatmatt:

will do

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mzb:

the only things I *suspect* I miss out on re guide data are things like:

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mzb:

a) last minute "Heath Ledger" emergencies

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mzb:

b) small fine tunings in programme times (not sure if EIT does that either)

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mzb:

I'm particularly interested in how they work together (if)

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rooaus:

fatmatt: If you want to use EIT data I think you need to have setup channels using the channel scanner and not just imported a channels.conf.

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fatmatt:

hmm, think I did that for this setup

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fatmatt:

damn, not working, think it might take a while to scan though tbackend isn't showing anything

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abstrak:

hi all

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abstrak:

i have a problem with my mythbackend

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abstrak:

i cannot start it through /etc/init.d/...

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abstrak:

anybody know what users, groups are needed to work correctly

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Dibblah:

abstrak: Which guide are you following to install Myth?

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abstrak:

i had the 0.21 release and i backup my sql DB and /.mythtv directory

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abstrak:

i have install the 0.20

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abstrak:

now

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abstrak:

my mysql user (mythtv) is working correctly

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abstrak:

i cannot mythfilldatabase...

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abstrak:

i cannot mythfilldatabase...

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abstrak:

i can mythfilldatabase !

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abstrak:

sorry

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abstrak:

but my backend dont work correctly

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abstrak:

what the vital step to setup mythbackend ?

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tank-man:

what happens when you type mythbackend ?

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abstrak:

a nfslockfile permission problem...

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abstrak:

i think it was resolved...

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abstrak:

myaccount in mythtv group + chown mythtv will resolve it, no ?

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abstrak:

Another problem now : QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket | 2008-03–08 14:01:55.827 Failed to bind port 6543. Exiting.

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jduggan:

myth already bound to it?

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jduggan:

netstat

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jduggan:

:o

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abstrak:

where i can set the port for the backend ?

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abstrak:

forget

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abstrak:

when I start mythbackend as abstrak from console it's working well but I can't start it through etc/init.d/mythbackend... an idea?

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directhex:

permissions. from init.d it'll be running as mythtv. you'll have broken the permissions for that user running it from a console

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abstrak:

i have add abstrak in mythtv group

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abstrak:

i'll try to start as mythtv user

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abstrak:

ok... i have to create the mythtv user.... not created when install mythtv package ?

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beavis:

can anyone tell me how to create a softvol for surround5.1? Master only works for 2ch sound

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Dibblah:

beavis: Digital output?

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beavis:

analog (if digital means spdif)

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Dibblah:

Odd... Are there any other volume controls on your card?

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beavis:

well many, one for the Front, one for the Rear, one for the Center/LFE

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hnitsuj:

you can't adjust the volume of digital output

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Deek:

he wants analog

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Deek:

he wants to set six channels at once.

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Aval0n:

who primarily takes care of the mythtv menu interface?

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hnitsuj:

whomever

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Aval0n:

ok well I'll tell you what I was thinking

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Deek:

oh, please do.

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Deek:

:)

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Aval0n:

Currently when I hit the info button, it gives me the time progress of whatever recording I'm watching. If i hit it again.. it finally gives me program info on the show. It automatically fades away, yes I can set that time to longer but then it's there longer sometimes when I don't want it to be. you already see time progress when you pause the show. I think it would be a lot better if when you hit info it brought program info up and stayed up until you

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hnitsuj:

easy to change

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Aval0n:

easy for you maybe :)

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hnitsuj:

you can make the timeout longer & just cancel it with BACK anyway

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Aval0n:

hmm this is true

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Aval0n:

but then I still have to hit info twice

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Aval0n:

just to get there.

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Aval0n:

not bitching just suggesting

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Aval0n:

thanks justin ;)

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hnitsuj:

not bitching, just not caring ;)

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hnitsuj:

I won't even go down the avenue of talking about the possibility of having another info key, or a setting to swap the order the info is shown in.. or indeed making the programme info just show it all in one place

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hnitsuj:

though I'd tend to veer towards the latter option personally

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Aval0n:

ahh

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hnitsuj:

there are already too many different OSD containers IMHO

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Aval0n:

yeah i'de agree

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Aval0n:

mythtv has come a long long way though

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hnitsuj:

for the sake of a small extra height difference, just show the progress bar & time indicator on the programme info thing

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Aval0n:

pretty awesome app for free heh

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Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

I mean when you hit info on dish

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Aval0n:

it's a big flipping square right in the middle of the TV

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Aval0n:

translucent so you still see the show through it

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Aval0n:

it works <Shrug>

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hnitsuj:

my argument is – what do you want to see – the info or the show?

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Aval0n:

sometimes the ladder decides that

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Aval0n:

if i'm iffy on watching it in the first place.. sometimes the star rating.. or information about who's acting in it will let me decide that

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hnitsuj:

I'd also like to make the OSD menus themable with real images rather than the crappy gradients too – something I might look at if nobody else does in future

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Aval0n:

yeah that'de be cool

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Aval0n:

for some reason I like retro the best

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Aval0n:

I run it no matter what theme I run

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Aval0n:

it's not a memory hog and I have it edited to show star ratings

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Aval0n:

and it kinda reminds me of what a store bought dvr would have

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zabadapp:

yeah, retro osd is sweet

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Aval0n:

;)

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Davo_Dinkum:

got a screenshot of retro osd?

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Aval0n:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http:/ . . . D1%26hl%3Den

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Aval0n:

just look at the OSD not the menu theme

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Davo_Dinkum:

why must google have such ugly links? :/

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Davo_Dinkum:

Is that Swedish?

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Aval0n:

lol

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Davo_Dinkum:

:/

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Davo_Dinkum:

I took a guess.

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hnitsuj:

see, I'm best off out of putting work out there – taken me 3 years to realise it

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Torgoton:

My Google-fu is apparently broken today. Anyone have a pointer on setting up a WinTV HVR-950 to work for analog TV?

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Torgoton:

I can do ATSC just fine, but I want it to work for analog cable.

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mkrufky:

Torgoton: try an analog video app like tvtime to test it

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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Torgoton:

ok. thanks mkrufky.

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arod:

hi. I'm experimenting with mythvideo playing a divx from a cdrom. It works fine but I don't like myth to add the divx to database since when I put another cd it looks for the old divx and I have to rescan cdrom to make it see the new divx

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arod:

this way it's not very usable. I'd like it to automount the cd, let me browse the cd and play files on the cd without involving scanning or updating database

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Torgoton:

mkrufky: tvtime shows picture but there's no sound. (But I've never used tvtime before.) I turned up the volume in the application, but still no output. Web browser does have sound. I'm on Fedora 8, if that matters.

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mkrufky:

yeah sound wont work in tvtime without also running sox or arecord|aplay .... you'll have to google for info about that

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mkrufky:

mplayer can do it all at once

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mkrufky:

and so can mythtv

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mkrufky:

but the tvtime test proves that your hvr950 stick and driver are working properly

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Torgoton:

OK...

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Torgoton:

good start.

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mkrufky:

ya

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Torgoton:

afk

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Furythor:

Hello

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Furythor:

I have simple question for related to MythTV. Can I record VLC stream with MythTV ?

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|Torg|:

I belive you are thinging of it backwards, you are asking can I turn a wrench with a bolt

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|Torg|:

VLC plays a variety of media formats, there is no specifc VLC stream tho

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Furythor:

yeah, I know... it is more likely that can mythtv see and record stream from VLC ..

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Furythor:

which is btw. best media player I have seen as it has great variety of programs available.

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Furythor:

great...

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Furythor:

I did mean great variety of features, not programs.... :D

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|Torg|:

ok think of it like this, you have video and audio, someone encodes them using a codec and puts it into a format. The resultant thing is what you would call a vidio (say an avi, that is encoded with xvid)

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|Torg|:

to play that you need a video plaer, vlc, mplayer, etc and the proper codec

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Torgoton:

I think he wants to capture a stream for playback on mythtv

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|Torg|:

if you want to stream that, you wrap it into a streaming protocoal, the transport stream is one of these, and from that you can extract those parts

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|Torg|:

vlc not withstanding you simply need a player to play the video and audio with the proper codecs, thats it

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directhex:

i think myth allows an IP-based tuner, but it's really defeating the entire purpose of myth as a pvr, since you won't have anything resembling listings

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GreyFoxx:

Depends on your ISP, many users have IPTV streams as their TV source from their provider so they use myth to record them

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, iptv *without* drm?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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GreyFoxx:

my local telco uses iptv streams for its video product

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GreyFoxx:

a buddy of mine is using his PC to record it rasther than the STB they provided

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|Torg|:

I know a family in Veirgina that does the same over FIOS, Furythor was asking how to capture a stream tho, I belive he simply wants to put them in mythvideo and his question is about vlc and how to capture a stream and not about mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

I spent a few hours checking out the stream and all they seem to "authenticate" on was the MAC of the device sending the channel change request

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|Torg|:

even if I cant type :)

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GreyFoxx:

so now his pc sets the mac address to the stb's one at boot

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Puhi:

hello, i'm currently unable to select teletext cc language

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Puhi:

the frontend correctly lists all available languages but the selection has no effect, the language is always the first listed language

[16:00:16]

Puhi:

toggling on/off works nicely, just the language appears wrong

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Puhi:

the existence of other languages in the stream has been verified with a topfield dvb-c box so it seems to be a mythtv problem

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Puhi:

.. and i'm running current release-0.21-fixes svn version

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Torgoton:

Any tips or pointers to pages describing how to get my PVR-950 tuner to work with analog channels in mythtv? It works with tvtime.

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elprespufferfish:

any idea why mythvideo keeps the sound on while i fast forward?

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Dibblah:

elprespufferfish: Because you haven't generated a seektable for the video file.

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elprespufferfish:

Dibblah, is there an easy way to tell mythcommflag to rebuild it for all video files?

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elprespufferfish:

I just did it for one file, and it still plays sound while fast forwarding

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elprespufferfish:

do i have to run mythcommflag as the mythtv user?

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DustyBin:

today im going to make a VGA > SCART lead, i now have all the bits

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DustyBin:

this should be a interesting experience...

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johnp__:

anyone know if this thing builds on a "Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz" ?

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|Torg|:

nicly

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directhex:

why wouldn't it, exactly?

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|Torg|:

not all program can take advantage of the quad core, those that can scream

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johnp__:

hmm, in which case why does configure barf on FreeType required ? (It is installed)

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|Torg|:

strangly enough a quad 6600 can out perfrom a dual core P4

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directhex:

johnp__, because it's not as installed as you think it is. which distro are you using?

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jams:

johnp__- Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz

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jams:

thats my cpu that i do all my mythbuilds on

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directhex:

|Torg|, no pentium 4 chips were ever dual core

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johnp__:

Fedora 8

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|Torg|:

processor : 0

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|Torg|:

model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz

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|Torg|:

processor : 1

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|Torg|:

model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz

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directhex:

you need some kinf od freetype-devel package, not just freetype

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|Torg|:

my old FE, now my slave be

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directhex:

|Torg|, hyperthreading is not dual core

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|Torg|:

ok. your right, effect is about the same tho

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directhex:

not really

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directhex:

or even remotely

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johnp__:

believe it or not I've got the devel packages.

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|Torg|:

I wont arge technical details with you, all I can tel you is that it acts as if it has two cores and can run X and mythbackend on two sperate processors, and they both run about 60% utlizaiotn with xvmc

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|Torg|:

and the Q6600 runs about 40% each doing the same

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directhex:

|Torg|, what two seperate processors? you have two execution units. one small component of a processor is duplicated

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directhex:

johnp__, then fedora in "causes pain" shocker

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directhex:

johnp__, maybe you need to patch configure to find some oddball fedora package version or some shit

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johnp__:

ok, I'll look into trying that

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|Torg|:

but johnp__ to answer your question yes myth will compile on the Q6600

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^Flatline^:

Has anyone ever encountered directory entries like this before?

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^Flatline^:

?--------- ? ? ? ? ? 1559_20070526123000.mpg

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directhex:

^Flatline^, yeah, on really broken tarballs

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^Flatline^:

these are from my recordings directory

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directhex:

that shouldn't happen

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^Flatline^:

I cant delete them , I can't move or copy them. all I can do is rename the directory

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directhex:

run a fsck

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|Torg|:

it is a common sign of bad secots on a disk

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^Flatline^:

permission denied even as root

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|Torg|:

stop mythbackend, unmount the drive, fsck it

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|Torg|:

hope to hell its till all there

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^Flatline^:

is that the same as touch /dev/sda2/forcefsck and a reboot

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|Torg|:

not really

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|Torg|:

the command is fsck, fsck -y /dev/sda2

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|Torg|:

the -y i so you dont have to say yes to every question, can be dangerous, but its a catch 22 siutation where if you say no you still wont have the data

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directhex:

you can't touch /dev/sda2/anything. if you want to use forcefsck, it needs to go on the mounted filesystem

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directhex:

/dev/sda2 is a device node, not a directory

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^Flatline^:

yes .. i typed it too quick

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|Torg|:

I think he meant touch /forcefsck and reboot

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directhex:

assuming / is sda2, sure

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^Flatline^:

its a 1TB LV of 4 drives

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hnitsuj:

looks like tomorrow is the day then

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^Flatline^:

do i check each device or the LV

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|Torg|:

check the thing with the fs, the thing you did mkfs on

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hnitsuj:

just wait for 0.21 – no need for LVM anymore :)

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^Flatline^:

nice .. but i have one with lots of stuff on it of course.

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^Flatline^:

thanks for the suggestions

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hnitsuj:

aww all those themes that'll be dying off (sob) :D bout time the cruft got left behind

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zabadapp:

how do I select the wap/wml templates? Do they work? They exist as templates, but I can't select them in the web-settings. Or do I just wap-surf to a specific page for it to kick in?

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|Torg|:

bluetoobe?

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directhex:

hnitsuj, yay, at least we keep high quality themes like gant

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nettow0822_:

can you enter the channel data ie WEDF:5550000:qam_256:2048:2049:1 by using 'New channel'?

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directhex:

AFAIK, in 0.20, yes. but not if you want EIT to work

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nettow0822_:

well...I seem to have a problem that others have had......the channels.conf works with xine but mythtv does see all the channels with channels.conf is imported

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directhex:

and the channel scanner isn't working?

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hnitsuj:

jesus christ I've just been looking at snapstream skins. time to go empty the puke bucket

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nettow0822_:

correct....the scanner doesn't pickup the other two channels that xine reads from channels.conf

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nettow0822_:

also mythtv use to get the two channels in question...until I reloaded gusty the past week

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nettow0822_:

and one more bit of info....my tuner in my tv picks up the two channels as well

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Aval0n:

where do you put the image for your videos icons?

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Aval0n:

like when you search imdb in video manager and it pulls the movies poster for you, I have a couple that it didn't find images for that I want to add manually.

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directhex:

http://www.dvdtown.com/news/hd-dvds-demise-se . . . ices-up/5310

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hnitsuj:

you put em where you configure mythvideo to keep em

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Aval0n:

k

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|Torg|:

directhex are you surprised?

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|Torg|:

is there a way to make mplayer use xvmc with h264?

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metalac:

can anyone tell me what's a good HDTV digital cable card that has 2 inputs and it's support by mythtv?

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jamesd:

metalac, i use the kworld 115, it has two inputs, one analog and one digital.. i don't use the analog part, so don't know if you can use both at the same time

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metalac:

I'd like something that has 2 digital signals

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metalac:

i use Firewire + PVR150 now, and would like to add 2 more inputs

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directhex:

|Torg|, what purpose would that serve, given xvmc only does mpeg2 by design?

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|Torg|:

so I can test the videos im transcoding

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|Torg|:

also so my slower systems can play them

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directhex:

passing them through an mpeg2 acceleration library won't really help

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|Torg|:

then h264 does not need IDCT?

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directhex:

sure, but xvmc doesn't allow it

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directhex:

as standard, anyway

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directhex:

xvmc is for mpeg2 only

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metalac:

anyone??

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directhex:

i don't know of any dual-dvb-c cards

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directhex:

or whatever you yanks call it

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directhex:

just dvb-t

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|Torg|:

ahh acoording to some site I was reading its not that xvmc does nto support it, its that nvidias xvmc does not

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Mytho-X:

anyone using MythTV frontend on a Mac?

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DustyBin:

this cable is a bastard and a half

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DustyBin:

i thought all the vga pins were connected

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Frosty-:

I'm finding most of the new recordings don't exist, yet they haven't been watched yet. They're still in the AutoExpire list, as in, they haven't been expired. Is this a common problem?

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DustyBin:

so it was a matter of just cutting one end

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Frosty-:

When I go to play a recording that has been recorded today, it will just complain of a missing file.

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defaultro:

has anyone seen mchou?

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Frosty-:

I'm trying to debug a problem. MythTV seems to record, logs show it begins, picks a tuner, records and completes. But when I come to watch, the file is missing and the frontend notes "the file for this recording can not be found". it *is* missing, but can't understand why.

[19:38:14]

Mytho-X:

Frosty-: I have had that problem when either there was not enough disk space or the program guide was wrong

[19:39:16]

Mytho-X:

Frosty-: also have had that happen if the backend crashed

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Frosty-:

Well it does record, it starts and finishes, I even got up at 5.30am this morning to make sure it worked, I could see the file created and stop growing when the program ended, but the now, 14 hours later, its gone

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Mytho-X:

that is odd

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Frosty-:

I have enabled "all" for logs, but its like 40mb of logs

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Frosty-:

gonna prune logs to "file", "schedule" "recording" and try again tuesday

[19:41:21]

Frosty-:

its only on tuesday – sat 5.30am

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Frosty-:

Neighbours, lol

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Mytho-X:

fun

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Mytho-X:

I am trying to figure out why I cannot get the Mac frontend working

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Frosty-:

hmm, if "AutoExpire" has a value of "1" for a recording, what does that mean?

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Frosty-:

the rest are either 0 or 10000

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Mytho-X:

not sure

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Frosty-:

whats your mac problem/

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Mytho-X:

it keeps giving me the setup screen even after entering the information

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Mytho-X:

I was able to use the same settings on the windows mythplayer app

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Frosty-:

I only ever got the setup screen when running mythtv-setup

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Mytho-X:

I can also get into mypypadmin with the user info

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Mytho-X:

yeah, I get that setup screen enter the info then mythtv closes

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Frosty-:

is the database populated with the information you gave in setup?

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Mytho-X:

I launch it again and it asks to set it up again

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Mytho-X:

yes

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Frosty-:

another odd one :o

[19:53:29]

Mytho-X:

I checked the database name , username and password

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Frosty-:

I'm not a mac user, is the sql server mysql?

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Mytho-X:

yes

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Mytho-X:

this is only a front end on the Mac

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Mytho-X:

I already have an existing working frontend/backend setup that is working fine

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Frosty-:

where does the frontend store its settings?

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Mytho-X:

just in a text file in .mythtv/

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|Torg|:

in the database, where all of myth settings are excpt the initial db connection

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Frosty-:

I guess you can set mysql logging on and see if the frontend is even bothering to check the connection prior to showing you the setup screen again, it may also highlight any issues

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|Torg|:

it it is not connecting, the log will tell you

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|Torg|:

as well as you wil get a big blatant error on the screen

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Mytho-X:

good idea thank you

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Frosty-:

I've used a seperate XFS type partition for recorded tv files, does this pose any particular limitations which may cause my file dissapearences?

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|Torg|:

no

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|Torg|:

not unless you reformated where the files were

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Mytho-X:

hm, I am unfortunately not very familiar with mysql

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Mytho-X:

where do I look for the error logs ?

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|Torg|:

depends on how you started it, why do you think its not connecting?

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Frosty-:

not aware of mac specifics, but in the mysql config (/etc/mysql/my.cnf) you can set a parameter such as "log = /var/log/mysql.log"

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Mytho-X:

the Mac front end clients just quits after entering the settings

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Mytho-X:

Again the Mac is only the front end, backend is on a linux box

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|Torg|:

mysql logs and mythtv logs are two seperate things

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|Torg|:

if a frotnend client exits on start, run it via command line with mythfrontend -v all

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|Torg|:

then pastebin the last 10 lines or so

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Mytho-X:

ah, ok, will try that in a bit, I will have to navigate to the frontend executable

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Mytho-X:

I find a bit annoying that most Mac apps are a package bundle

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Mytho-X:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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Mytho-X:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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Mytho-X:

2008-03–08 12:08:38.512 DB Error (KickDatabase):

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Mytho-X:

Query was:

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Mytho-X:

SELECT NULL;

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Mytho-X:

No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

[20:10:08]

Mytho-X:

2008-03–08 12:08:41.249 Unable to connect to database!

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Mytho-X:

2008-03–08 12:08:41.249 Driver error was [1/2003]:

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Mytho-X:

QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

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Mytho-X:

Database error was:

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Mytho-X:

Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.1.77' (61)

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|Torg|:

dont paste it here

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Mytho-X:

sorry

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|Torg|:

and yes, your frontend is not connecting to the database, check your mysql.txt file

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Mytho-X:

forgot you said pasebin

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Mytho-X:

pastebin

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Mytho-X:

but yeah, it looks like it is not connecting

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Mytho-X:

so I need to figure what username / password combo it is looking for

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|Torg|:

if you did it via default it should be mythtv/mythtv

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Mytho-X:

as I was able to use Windows Mythplayer with no problem

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Mytho-X:

yes, that is the default

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Mytho-X:

and it is not working

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|Torg|:

if you used the windows player you have an extremly old vrsion of mythtv

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|Torg|:

like I said, go fix your mysql.txt file

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Mytho-X:

I am using 20.2

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Mytho-X:

I normally use the linux box for both the front and back end

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Frosty-:

check you can connect to your backend with "telnet 192.168.1.77 3306"

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|Torg|:

Frosty-: h can not connect to mysql, crawl-walk-run

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Mytho-X:

so, not that does not work

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Mytho-X:

I can ssh in as the mythtv user just fine

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Mytho-X:

telnet did not work that is

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Frosty-:

is the mysql even listening on that IP?

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|Torg|:

ok maybe your not paying attention ALL CONNECTIONS TO THE DATABSE INITITALY ARE SET IN THE FILE mysql.txt. YOUR ERROR EXPLICTLY SAID IT CAN NOT CONNECT. GO CHECK YOUR mysql.txt FILE

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Mytho-X:

I have check that file

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Mytho-X:

and the mythtv box is 192.168.1.77

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Frosty-:

if he can't connect to the server and he beleives the IP is correct, then the problem is the server accepting connections

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|Torg|:

and tyhe user name an password is correct?

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Mytho-X:

yes, username and password are correct

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|Torg|:

Frosty-: if the ip address is correct its a probelm with mysql permissions in mysql, not mythtv

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Frosty-:

mysql permissions do not block connections at a TCP level

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Mytho-X:

does it help if I mention that the mythtv frontend only works on my linux box from the mythtv user account?

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Mytho-X:

if I use another user and launch the frontend I get the same issue as on the Mac

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|Torg|:

the user it runs under does nto matter

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iamlindoro:

... /etc/mysql/my.cnf bind address...

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Frosty-:

I beleive as default, the bind address is 127.0.0.1 and is not accessible from outside the machine

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|Torg|:

or skip_networking

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Frosty-:

chnage it to 0.0.0.0 or the IP if it is

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Mytho-X:

ok, I will check that

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Mytho-X:

the bind address is set to 127.0.0.1

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Mytho-X:

can I safely change it with the backend running?

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Frosty-:

you will need to restart mysql for the change to take effect

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Frosty-:

I guess the backed would need restarting as well unless it can handle a mysql drop, I dunno

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Mytho-X:

ok, thanks guys, this will need to wait until I am done recording

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Mytho-X:

I really appreciate the help

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Frosty-:

np

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Frosty-:

Torg loves you, he just gets upset :)

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Mytho-X:

I know it gets frustrating when the other person does not understand

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Mytho-X:

me in this case

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|Torg|:

myth connects to mysql frequenly, but not consitantly. If its idle, not recording, your not navigating the menus it is disconnected

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|Torg|:

it only goes to the databse whenit needs information, like a seach or lists of recordings, or when it needs settings

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Mytho-X:

that makes sense

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Mytho-X:

I really need to learn mysql

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jamesd:

aka about once a second... Query statistics: Since its startup, 462,361 queries have been sent to the server.

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|Torg|:

select, insert, update, delete, thats about it

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Mytho-X:

heh, well that is the same for most sql databases

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Mytho-X:

I am sure it would be helpful to know more if I ever want to move my setup to another box instead of doing a clean install

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|Torg|:

there really isnt much you need to know about it, other then how to back up the database

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|Torg|:

myth install creates a databse, sets up permissions

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sphery:

and the how to backup will soon be much easier...

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|Torg|:

on startup the backend will create table structure and fill in data. If it needs to it will also update strucutre

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|Torg|:

currnet SVN code will backup the databse automaticly on update, but its still a good idea to setup normal backups

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sphery:

And, as for moving to another box, make sure you follow instructions in the HOWTO ( http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7 )

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sphery:

|Torg|: Yeah. I mean that the script I'm writing for #4670 will be usable by anyone (whether using MythTV 0.13 or MythTV 0.21 or MythTV trunk) and makes it easy.

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|Torg|:

mysqldump -c -u root mythconverg | bzip2 -c >backup.bz2

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Mytho-X:

cool

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sphery:

Previews (if anyone wants to test/run it) at http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/database_ . . . rg_backup.pl . IMHO, it's ready for production use on anyone's Myth setup.

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Mytho-X:

well, I am not planning on moving to another system, so I am ok for now

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Mytho-X:

I will be adding another hard drive for more space though

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sphery:

I'm using it on my production system (called from my shutdown script)

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|Torg|:

sphery: as a matter of DR I also run a myiasmchk on it before I back it up

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sphery:

|Torg|: I highly recommend gzip rather than bzip2. Using gzip, you get a slightly larger file, but it's significantly faster (i.e. 30 seconds to backup and gzip my database with 442 MPEG-2 files and > 8 minutes to backup and bzip2 the same DB).

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|Torg|:

and you script is very nice, jut that I do it with all of 4 commands

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|Torg|:

yes sphery but my cpu is not bound so much that the time for compression is worth it

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paul__s:

!history

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|Torg|:

177 recordings, 230,199 program entires, took 1m2sec with bzip and 23 sec with gzip, producing a 15M bzip file and a 25M gzip file. So almost 2:1 better compression at a 40 second cpu time overhead

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shiznix:

hi all, i know this maybe a common question, but has their been a solution to be able to play HDTV without the "prebuffering pause" jitters ?

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shiznix:

XvMC works + helps, but only reduces the prebuffer occurrence :(

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eiersalat:

i have a problem with the preview images in mythweb

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eiersalat:

the preview images are generated correctly in my video dir, but the thumbs in the cache directory of mythweb are all 0 bytes

[21:01:27]

eiersalat:

so no images in mythweb :-(

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Frosty-:

ugh bzip2, been re-engineering that compression algorithm for uni, I hate it now

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PatrickDK:

bzip2 is so slow, and gives marginal better results than gzip

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sphery:

shiznix: what version of Myth?

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sphery:

eiersalat: Are you disabling UPnP? Can't do that...

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eiersalat:

i am using 0.1-fixes, UPnP is working

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eiersalat:

the files are all stored locally, one master backend

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sphery:

0.21-fixes?

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eiersalat:

sphery: yes :)

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eiersalat:

in the frontend the previews are working

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sphery:

Then update... The 0.21 tag was just created and there were a couple of patches for that that went in just an hour ago or so.

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eiersalat:

aaah

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sphery:

Oh, wait... Confusing you with the other...

[21:20:08]

sphery:

nvm

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eiersalat:

thanks for that info sphery

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sphery:

hold on, eiersalat

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eiersalat:

will update now :)

[21:20:31]

sphery:

I gave you advice for the prebuffering pause issue...

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eiersalat:

ummm no lol

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sphery:

eiersalat: If UPnP is working (i.e. can you do a wget http://<hostname>:6544/Myth/GetPreviewI . . . p;SecsIn=155

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sphery:

Fix the ChanId and StartTime to match one of yours, but use the exact format shown

[21:22:52]

sphery:

also fix the <hostname>

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eiersalat:

yep

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eiersalat:

will try now

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eiersalat:

sec

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sphery:

If that works, then it's most likely an issue with Apache/write permissions...

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sphery:

The user running httpd needs permission to write to the mythweb/data directory and the mythweb/data/cache directory.

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xris:

eiersalat: you running .20 or .21?

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sphery:

0.21 fixes

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eiersalat:

i am running 0.21 fixes, svn rev 16407

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eiersalat:

sphery: your command works

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eiersalat:

i get an thumbnail with wget

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eiersalat:

with firefox i also get an preview with that url above, i did an chmod 777 on the data und cache dir...still no preview images in mythweb...

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shiznix:

sphery: 0.20.2

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eiersalat:

tail -f 'ed the log also while that, but nothing usefull :(

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shiznix:

sphery: but google shows it's been an ongoing problem since 0.15 :(

[21:32:49]

sphery:

shiznix: If you're using 0.20-fixes, you're not affected by the bug that was just fixed. That means it's almost definitely a configuration issue (I can play HDTV fine without prebuffering issues).

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eiersalat:

sphery: thanks for the uPnp URL, with that i have successfully built the images myself and can write a script :)

[21:35:16]

sphery:

eiersalat: When you right click and "Copy image location" on one of the (missing) preview images, is it correct? Another common problem is misconfigured apache Directory/RewriteBase

[21:35:43]

sphery:

eiersalat: better would be to fix your mythweb conf... ;)

[21:35:53]

DustyBin:

fu** the vga > scart nvidia cable, that is a job for a dedicated electrician

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sphery:

(unless this script is for something else)

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DustyBin:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/milestone/0.21

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DustyBin:

99% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[21:36:44]

** DustyBin creams himself **

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sphery:

shiznix: You may want to upgrade to 0.21 once packages are available (within days). May find that your problems are fixed. Also, definitely enable "Extra audio buffering" and do /not/ enable "Aggressive sound card buffering"

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a1fa:

:)

[21:36:49]

eiersalat:

(the script is for making thumbnails lol it takes the info out of the 0 bytes filemas and puts the in the upnp url to output the sane thumbimage)

[21:36:51]

** Frosty- licks it up **

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a1fa:

when do they release new version?

[21:37:03]

DustyBin:

100%

[21:37:04]

eiersalat:

*filemas= filenames

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a1fa:

i want to rebuild my server

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Frosty-:

was 98% 6 months ago? :)

[21:37:19]

a1fa:

and work from stable

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shiznix:

sphery: then i'm not sure what i need to configure, i've tried everything on mythtv.org/wiki regarding the problem

[21:37:55]

shiznix:

sphery: ok, audio config is alread as you suggest, will try a 0.21 svn checkout, thanks :)

[21:38:01]

eiersalat:

sphery: i have no image location on rigthklick, cause there is no image just a link to details

[21:38:06]

DustyBin:

mythtv, mythweb, upnp are the only ones left with bugs

[21:38:28]

Frosty-:

think its within a month?

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eiersalat:

.21 is already good useable imho

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sphery:

eiersalat: with 0.21-fixes or above, http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/myth_get_previews.pl (will have to modify it--i.e. there's a sleep in there and the system call to wget is commented), but...

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sphery:

eiersalat: BTW, that's a complete hack I made for testing a UPnP/HTTP issue (that's still likely a bug, but that's another story).

[21:40:31]

sphery:

a1fa (in case you read the archives): it's released, but packages will become available within days.

[21:40:55]

eiersalat:

wow thanks sphery

[21:41:14]

sphery:

like I said, it was a hack I had on my system from before, so no extra trouble...

[21:41:52]

sphery:

shiznix: good luck with 0.21. Make sure you go with 0.21-fixes (unless you promise to read and keep up with the -dev and -commits lists ;)

[21:42:38]

sphery:

shiznix: Also, if you're building yourself, there's a /very/ good chance that some of the build switches you're using are causing the issues. I.e. do /not/ specify any kind of cpu, arch, or tune when you configure.

[21:42:54]

sphery:

and make sure you do a release build (not a debug or profile build) for best performance.

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sphery:

a1fa: 03.08 16:40:31 < sphery> a1fa (in case you read the archives): it's released, but packages will become available within days.

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nettow0822_:

can you enter the channel data ie WEDF:5550000:qam_256:2048:2049:1 by using 'New channel'?

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DustyBin:

anybody here know pepsimax ?

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nettow0822_:

Has anyone run into where xine plays all the channels on channels.conf but mythtv doesn't?

[21:56:37]

sphery:

nettow0822_: You should really use the MythTV channel scanner to detect channels. The 0.21 version probably works better than the 0.20-fixes version, though.

[21:57:21]

nettow0822_:

The scanner doesn't pickup the missing channels....

[21:57:44]

sphery:

which Myth version?

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nettow0822_:

what's interesting is 1. It worked last week before I reloaded gusty. 2. The missing channels also work on my tv's tuner.

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nettow0822_:

mythtv ver 0.20.20070821–1 14283

[22:00:58]

sphery:

That's really the Library API version, which doesn't say, but I'm guessing you're using a 0.20-fixes version.

[22:01:12]

sphery:

If so, might want to wait a short while (within days) to get the 0.21-fixes packages.

[22:01:19]

sphery:

Then try the MythTV scanner.

[22:01:39]

sphery:

(Actually, Ubuntu packages may be available much quicker than that, it sounds like.)

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nettow0822_:

where can I find out the version?

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sphery:

is what you posted what's output from mythfrontend --version?

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sphery:

(or mythbackend --version)

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nettow0822_:

frontend

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sphery:

and that's all that's output?

[22:05:08]

nettow0822_:

it was under the system status

[22:05:19]

sphery:

No "MythTV Version : 16421M" "MythTV Branch : trunk"

[22:05:30]

sphery:

yeah, but what does "mythfrontend --version" output?

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jams:

prime example why myth needs an "about/version" menu =)

[22:07:01]

sphery:

Yeah. You should write one, jams . ;)

[22:07:11]

sphery:

That didn't go into 0.21, did it?

[22:07:27]

jams:

it didn't

[22:07:31]

sphery:

too bad...

[22:07:37]

DustyBin:

are there any advantages / disadvantages between using a NVidia OR ATI card to output a low-res PAL 720x576 signal?

[22:07:38]

nettow0822_:

sphery http://pastebin.ca/934509

[22:07:41]

jams:

nigel emailed my last night about it but thats about it

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sphery:

OK, nettow0822_ , you're using MythTV 0.20-fixes (r14283). I'd wait a bit and update to 0.21-fixes (will be available in your repo soon).

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nettow0822_:

ok ty

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jams:

hmm i bet mythversion info would be a good thing to collect via mythsmolt

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** jams makes a notes **

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sphery:

Good luck, I hope the 0.21 scanner works better.

[22:10:33]

Anduin:

Pile on a little extra luck, maybe it will stop it from crashing.

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sphery:

Yeah. I purposefully didn't mention that one... I haven't seen it crash, so if the timing is right on his system...

[22:11:55]

xris:

anyone know how to get the guide in mythtv to update the preview channel to show the current selected channel in the guide?

[22:12:19]

sphery:

someone put a ticket in about that... Think it was a feature request without a patch, though...

[22:12:56]

sphery:

xris: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4866

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xris:

oh, it's not actually possible. that's lame

[22:14:16]

sphery:

xris: From reading gbee's comment, though, I don't know if it is possible and he had misconfigured it or if it's not possible and gbee was saying to get help removing the preview in the lists.

[22:14:44]

sphery:

I'd think it's not possible, though, because it would involve a channel change with every up/down scroll.

[22:14:46]

** SlicerDicer waves at xris **

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eiersalat:

xris: press x while in epg :P ;)

[22:15:09]

sphery:

Users complain loudly enough about how slow channel surfing is and our standard response is, "use the guide," so...

[22:15:37]

sphery:

eiersalat: does that return you to livetv (i.e. dismiss the guide)?

[22:15:51]

eiersalat:

sphery: no that does enter

[22:16:07]

eiersalat:

(when you wanna change selected – otherwise esc)

[22:16:48]

sphery:

cool, so the user can see the preview of the other channel only when they want--i.e. rather than channel changing through all the channels between the current and the one they want to see.

[22:17:09]

xris:

eiersalat: thanks

[22:17:38]

sphery:

One day I should learn how LiveTV stuff works...'

[22:18:09]

jams:

that must be something recently added.

[22:19:03]

xris:

sphery: yeah, same here.

[22:19:22]

xris:

I'm playing with an hd homerun, though, trying to figure out which channels are what (lots of SD channels that don't get identified properly in the scan).

[22:22:06]

sphery:

I'm still amazed at how when my parents come to visit and I have hundreds of shows recorded, they choose to watch LiveTV rather than something recorded...

[22:22:57]

jblack:

Are they watching news?

[22:23:02]

tfm:

;)

[22:23:15]

tfm:

or no scifi stuff ;)

[22:23:28]

sphery:

I had every single episode of CSI recorded and available (before I started watching it), and came in to see them watching the last half of a CSI episode on LiveTV. They thought it was easier than choosing one to watch... ???

[22:23:48]

jblack:

My daughter and I have that problem too.

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sphery:

Even with news (if I actually cared to watch the news), I'd record it and start watching 20-minutes late for a half-hour news show or 30-minutes late for a 1-hour news show so I could skip commercials.

[22:24:37]

jblack:

For any given show with 50 or 60 episodes, picking just one is a pita.

[22:24:54]

eiersalat:

sphery: you have commercials in news ? wtf...

[22:25:13]

sphery:

eiersalat: USA, the land of the advertisers...

[22:25:17]

jblack:

eiersalat: In the US we do. Our telivisions aren't taxed.

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eiersalat:

germany the land of quality news :)

[22:25:52]

sphery:

jblack: I find it's easy to choose an episode to watch. I have Myth sort by original air date and watch them from the beginning to the end.

[22:26:08]

jblack:

I had a german friend come across the pond once. He was shocked by all of the TV towers/tv stations about.

[22:28:01]

jblack:

wtf. iana is selling mail addresses.

[22:28:18]

sphery:

nice...

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sphery:

ref?

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jblack:

personal observance.

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sphery:

Oh.

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AndyCap:

choice is taxing and perhaps intimidating at times

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jblack:

An email address that only iana has just got spammed from a machine at san fransisco state university.

[22:29:27]

sphery:

True. And since, for many, TV is supposed to be mindless entertainment...

[22:29:27]

jblack:

Not even google has the address.

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AndyCap:

iana? whois or just iana?

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sphery:

jblack: sure it's not one of the randomly-generated addresses? I get about 2K e-mails a day to my domain to addresses that have never been valid addresses (just randomly generated by spammers)

[22:30:10]

jblack:

The iana.

[22:30:26]

jblack:

It's possible it's randomly generated, yes.

[22:30:41]

AndyCap:

hehe, is it iana@? :-P

[22:30:57]

jblack:

andycap: How did you guess?

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DustyBin:

anyone know anyone who might have a Nvidia VGA > SCART lead for sale?

[22:31:01]

sphery:

lol

[22:31:26]

sphery:

I'll leave the SCART question for those across the pond...

[22:31:33]

AndyCap:

DustyBin: maplin it seems from google. :P

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jblack:

Oh, I see... they got through an apache vulnerability on a sfsu machine.

[22:31:47]

DustyBin:

AndyCap: maplin have a nvidia cable?

[22:31:57]

AndyCap:

DustyBin: sorry, wrong way around. :/

[22:32:06]

jblack:

So, I bet that iana has an office at sfsu, who has been compromised.

[22:32:28]

jblack:

Received: (from apache@localhost) by horde.sfsu.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m28Ff85O016425;

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sphery:

I wonder how many spammers use "intelligent" harvesters that use information on websites, etc, to guess at possible e-mail addresses on the domain based on information on the website...

[22:32:53]

AndyCap:

jblack: apache@localhost? maybe some webapp got owned?

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sphery:

I.e. one could easily tell I'm interested in MythTV (which would get them into an important folder through all my sorting). Not that I'm making a suggestion (for any spammers in the channel).

[22:33:46]

jblack:

andycap: That's what I mean by compromised. :)

[22:34:07]

AndyCap:

jblack: yeah. I was thinking more the traditional botnet drone.

[22:34:15]

sphery:

horde is a webmail program...

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sphery:

horde.sfsu.edu

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sphery:

probably the web app on that server.

[22:34:49]

AndyCap:

seems they have imp on that address yes

[22:35:10]

AndyCap:

http://www.sfsu.edu/~doit/ Hmm.

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sphery:

Oh. It seems horde is no longer the webmail program, but now the framework from which it (IMP) is created... Cool. Much has changed since I last looked.

[22:36:29]

AndyCap:

sphery: iirc horde was always the framework.

[22:36:41]

AndyCap:

I recall installing imp pre-horde

[22:38:15]

AndyCap:

Meh, can't hotlink to slides. :( http://www.horde.org/papers/oscon2001-case_study/

[22:38:45]

sphery:

Hmmm. I don't remember IMP from a couple years ago. Bad memory, I guess.

[22:38:56]

jblack:

ahh, here we go, from an earlier header: Received: from 81.199.176.131.rmts.satcom-systems.net (81.199.176.131.rmts.satcom-systems.net [81.199.176.131]) by webmail.sfsu.edu (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 08 Mar 2008

[22:40:32]

AndyCap:

jblack: heh, satcom-systems have a lot of spam related hits on google

[22:40:32]

sphery:

AndyCap: right-click, copy link location on the Next button works...

[22:40:44]

sphery:

though I think I may read the whole presentation...

[22:41:15]

AndyCap:

from myth to muthui.. :P

[22:41:19]

** sphery thinks you were trying to reference: http://www.horde.org/papers/oscon2001-case_st . . . ing.xml.html **

[22:41:36]

AndyCap:

yeah

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sphery:

I stand corrected. (And thanks for the link to that presentation--it's interesting (and one of the few that doesn't require the associated audio).)

[22:43:28]

AndyCap:

which reminds me to check google video for tech-talks

[22:44:12]

sphery:

I have to admit that I never actually used IMP. I decided on SquirrelMail, so I was probably just fooled by the horde.org domain.

[22:44:39]

AndyCap:

imp is nice, but heavier to set up than squirrelmail.

[22:44:50]

sphery:

Any more, though, I go to amazing lengths to ensure I never need to use SquirrelMail.

[22:44:51]

AndyCap:

haven't tried the other horde apps

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** sphery needs to figure out how to disable the popup from websites that occurs when you click on the page (i.e. to reset focus so you can do a find in page--after their javascript purposefully removed it to make you click the page) **

[22:48:50]

clever:

sphery: popup on click is to bypass most popup blockers

[22:48:59]

clever:

the blockers kill any onload popups

[22:49:17]

clever:

but on click popups seem to be from a button you wanted to click so they dont get blocke

[22:49:21]

clever:

d

[22:49:31]

clever:

but adblock+ could be used to kill the .js file thats needed for it

[22:50:02]

sphery:

The ones I'm talking about are when you click any location in the page--i.e. whitespace or plain (non-hypertext-reference) text.

[22:50:39]

sphery:

It seems some websites have a "glass" layer over them that sends a click to some javascript function that triggers the popup.

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clever:

yeah ive seen them too

[22:51:03]

clever:

but the blocker cant tell the empty space appart from a button without alot more work

[22:51:46]

sphery:

Hmmm. So, unlikely that I'll find something to prevent them?

[22:51:52]

clever:

i cant even click the empty <input type=text>'s to search

[22:52:08]

clever:

try adblock+(firefox extension) to kill all the ad like .js files

[22:52:59]

sphery:

I haven't been using that because I figured I'd help support those ad-supported sites I actually frequent.

[22:53:22]

sphery:

It probably would allow me to configure it so ads work on some sites, though, right?

[22:53:23]

clever:

you dont have to block all ads

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sphery:

cool.

[22:53:33]

sphery:

Will have to look into it.

[22:53:36]

clever:

you can configure a list of paterns to block against urls

[22:53:57]

clever:

im adding the swf and js files from a site loaded with ads

[22:54:17]

clever:

most of them i kill the entire domain

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ydarg:

cool. 0.21 has been tagged

[22:54:35]

clever:

but a few are within the domain i want but an adx.js or adjs.php

[22:55:08]

clever:

still missed the on click js

[22:56:05]

clever:

solved!

[22:56:17]

clever:

i can now click the page safely

[22:56:27]

clever:

and the full screen popin ad is gone too

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clever:

(iframe covering the entire page with a close button)

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sphery:

those are annoying, too.

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clever:

its even worse when they are slow

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sphery:

I'm always afraid of whether the close button does anything else.

[22:58:23]

clever:

i scroll down 2 pages

[22:58:25]

sphery:

Yeah.

[22:58:29]

clever:

then it pops in on page 1

[22:58:45]

clever:

and greys the rest out

[22:58:45]

clever:

and kills the mouse wheel

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clever:

forcing me to use the scroll bar and close it

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sphery:

I've found that in many cases, slow responses from sites like ads.doubleclick.net make an otherwise fast website excrutiatingly painful to use.

[22:59:38]

clever:

some methods of solving that which ive seen in some programs

[22:59:45]

clever:

add the site to hosts as 127.0.0.1

[22:59:54]

clever:

now it will instantly connection refused

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clever:

no ad and no delay!

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fuhgawz:

hi, i need help writing a grabber for my country, where can i get help?

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sphery:

fuhgawz: xmltv.org

[23:01:18]

fuhgawz:

hmm yeah i have read the docs

[23:01:24]

sphery:

or #xmltv (assuming that exists)

[23:01:34]

fuhgawz:

does not exists :(

[23:02:03]

sphery:

Just saying that you need to make an XMLTV grabber (which is really unrelated to Myth), so the xmltv folks are more likely to be helpful.

[23:02:30]

kdub:

what country?

[23:02:33]

fuhgawz:

ok thanks

[23:02:40]

fuhgawz:

dominican republic kdub

[23:02:52]

sphery:

the built-in Schedules Direct grabber is a legacy thing that may be removed (using tv_grab_na_dd, instead).

[23:03:07]

kdub:

everyone too busy playing baseball to write a grabber?

[23:03:10]

sphery:

so we won't be accepting any new built-in grabbers.

[23:03:20]

AndyCap:

Wheee!

[23:04:10]

fuhgawz:

jejej

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fuhgawz:

i dont play baseball

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Beanoes:

anyone have experience with mediaMVP and myth?

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HeMan:

Hi! Is the OSX version as stable as the linux version?

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Beanoes:

I am sort of stuck. I'm not sure if the thing has loaded the dongel.bin file or not

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HeMan:

btw, when is 0.21 scheduled for?

[23:07:28]

Beanoes:

HeMan dosn't seem to be anyone home

[23:07:50]

Beanoes:

213 users, no answers

[23:08:12]

sphery:

no one who has experience with mediaMVP is home... ;)

[23:08:13]

Beanoes:

it is dinner time however

[23:08:28]

Beanoes:

there is that sphery

[23:08:55]

sphery:

And, in case you were wondering, HeMan , I don't have experience with Mac OS, either. :)

[23:08:58]

Beanoes:

damn mediaMVP anyhow! evil evil

[23:09:14]

HeMan:

sphery: :)

[23:09:21]

Beanoes:

its supposed to work! I saw it working on utube

[23:09:33]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o kormoc

[23:09:38]

Beanoes:

utube wouldn't lie!! would it?

[23:09:43]

Beanoes:

lol

[23:09:44]

kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc changes topic to .:. Welcome to the official user-to-user support channel. .:. http://mythtv.org/ .:. Latest stable release: 0.21 .:. Channel FAQ at http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IRC .:. MythTV Wiki http://mythtv.org/wiki/ .:. Use http://pastebin.ca/ .:. US/Canada Listings: http://schedulesdirect.org/ .:.

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sphery:

Nice, kormoc . :)

[23:09:54]

Beanoes:

sorry its been a long day of fighting this thing

[23:10:02]

kdub:

wha?

[23:10:08]

kdub:

.21 was just released?

[23:10:09]

sphery:

0.21

[23:10:12]

sphery:

Yep

[23:10:19]

kormoc:

sphery, heh, yeah, might as well start the flood :P

[23:10:19]

sphery:

http://mythtv.org/

[23:10:23]

kdub:

party

[23:10:44]

Beanoes:

damn.. more stuff to update

[23:10:49]

kdub:

yeah

[23:10:58]

HeMan:

yeah!

[23:10:58]

kdub:

damn these people that keep trying to improve the software

[23:11:00]

sphery:

kormoc: Yeah, I was wondering where Chutt's e-mail to the list was. :)

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Beanoes:

I know... next thing you know Microcrap will adhear to standards

[23:11:24]

HeMan:

cool that I was close with my question....

[23:11:32]

sphery:

I guess none of you were the ones complaining about how long they had been using 0.20. :)

[23:11:44]

Beanoes:

what are the new goodies?

[23:11:48]

kdub:

i use the bleeding atrpms packages

[23:11:51]

sphery:

Storage Groups!!!!

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sphery:

(multiple recordings directories)

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kdub:

better deinterlacers is the best thing in .21

[23:12:05]

kormoc:

Mythweb improvemetns!

[23:12:11]

sphery:

allows for multiple filesystems (i.e. multiple hard drives without LVM/RAID)!!!

[23:12:20]

sphery:

Oh, and MythWeb 0.21 is awesome...

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** sphery hopes that greases the wheels for any MythWeb patches he submits **

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** kormoc laughs **

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gnome42:

hehehe

[23:13:08]

kdub:

perhaps there should be a list of major changes to link people to when they ask what has changed

[23:13:18]

kdub:

because you know that will be every 5 minutes for the next week

[23:13:20]

kormoc:

sphery, feel free to poke me about them too, that tends to get them in faster

[23:13:26]

orthoevra:

ther is a huge list of chagnes

[23:13:26]

HeMan:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.21

[23:13:31]

sphery:

the announcement has the most major of hte changes ( http://mythtv.org )

[23:13:31]

kormoc:

kdub, the release notes are linked from mythtv.org

[23:13:46]

** orthoevra patiently awaits atrpms to update to .21 **

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DustyBin:

yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[23:13:59]

DustyBin:

screw distro packages, compile ftw

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** DustyBin removes every bit of debian mythtv **

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sphery:

kormoc: Don't have any right now. Been spending too much time on your suggestion of having the distros create a backup and restore script (forgot that I'd have to create the one for the source install ;)

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

whoops :)

[23:15:10]

DustyBin:

this is going to be a long enjoyable night :D

[23:15:17]

** DustyBin pours a beer **

[23:15:26]

orthoevra:

RH/Fedora DL link is broken on mythtv.org

[23:15:31]

clever:

sphery: just look at how gentoo does it:P

[23:15:44]

gbee:

sphery: well, the definition of major has changed over the duration, I thought the watched flag would be a major feature when I added it 18 months ago :)

[23:15:51]

sphery:

Hmmm. AC-3 passthrough with OSS. Didn't know htat was there (though I don't know why you'd use that instead of the ALSA one).

[23:16:04]

kormoc:

orthoevra, quote, "The binary packages should hopefully be updated to 0.21 soon."

[23:16:30]

orthoevra:

kormoc: yep.. but that doesnt change the fact taht the DL link is broken :P

[23:16:40]

sphery:

gbee: Actually, that is definitely a major change. It allows users to autoexpire watched recordings first (in 0.20-fixes, there was no way to ensure autoexpire would do the right thing)

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kormoc:

gbee, Hell, I forget what 0.20.x was like

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gbee:

I dunno, it's probably more of a minor feature now when you consider just how much has changed/improved

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tgm4883_laptop:

i've checked the wiki but didn't see anything relating to this. Is there a way to change the name that the upnp server serves for recordings?

[23:18:01]

tgm4883_laptop:

oh, on .21

[23:18:22]

gbee:

kormoc: I do, I really struggle to remember just what was in 0.20

[23:19:40]

gbee:

by the time 0.22 is released and I hope it won't be more than six months, I expect I'll have forgotten 0.21 as well

[23:20:40]

kdub:

just six months to .22?

[23:20:49]

kdub:

this one has been like a year

[23:21:01]

kormoc:

kdub, he said more then 6 months

[23:21:10]

HeMan:

any ideas why myth isn't a 1.x release? Is it the usual open source fear of stable releases?

[23:21:11]

kormoc:

oh whoops

[23:21:14]

sphery:

gbee: Looking through the release notes, I'd still say the Watched flag with a mention of its autoexpire benefits is major...

[23:21:22]

kormoc:

HeMan, cause it's just a number?

[23:21:50]

sphery:

1.x is when we run out of ideas of what to fix/add

[23:22:01]

sphery:

Then we all go start working on different projects.

[23:22:09]

gbee:

HeMan: it's just a number and unlike commercial software we don't have customers to fool into parting with their money (Vista anyone?)

[23:22:21]

kdub:

1.x is when you run out of hundredths

[23:22:40]

kormoc:

0.2315421525325325235235326

[23:22:50]

HeMan:

so the reason for not calling the next release 1.0 is?

[23:22:52]

gbee:

like sphery said, when we feel mythtv is feature complete then we'll release 1.x, but I think we're years away from that

[23:22:56]

sphery:

Actually, MS doesn't have to fool anyone, anymore. You get Vista on new computers--unless you pay the $120 for the XP upgrade.

[23:23:08]

orthoevra:

gbee: ha! is anything ever really "complete"

[23:23:15]

kormoc:

HeMan, what meaning does 1.0 have? 0.22 says this is the 22ed stable release, what does 1.0 say?

[23:23:32]

sphery:

first stable release?

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gbee:

sphery: from what I'm hearing and seeing most people are paying to downgrade to XP :)

[23:23:47]

** DustyBin feels excited **

[23:23:55]

HeMan:

no, 0.22 says that it's not stable yet and users should stay away

[23:24:09]

sphery:

If I weren't so cheap, I'd have had my father/brother do that. Now I regret the decision.

[23:24:22]

HeMan:

1.0 says this is the first release, treat it with care, it should work

[23:24:28]

sphery:

HeMan: All the better. Fewer users means fewer bug reports, so more time to create great new features...

[23:24:29]

kormoc:

HeMan, it's been said time and time again, 'MythTv is by developers, for developers'

[23:24:34]

** kormoc shrugs **

[23:24:47]

eiersalat:

it should be 2.2 hehe simple and stupid :)

[23:24:53]

HeMan:

eiersalat: yes!

[23:25:06]

eiersalat:

instead of 0.22

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eiersalat:

but who ares :)

[23:25:19]

eiersalat:

*cares

[23:25:22]

gbee:

HeMan: well it doesn't come with guarentees of stability, it might be a stable branch but I don't think anyone is in a hurry to invite the world + dog to start using it

[23:25:26]

sphery:

Well, people on the lists tend to call it MythTV 20.2 (now, I assume, MythTV 21.0)

[23:25:31]

DustyBin:

where is justin the theme man in a time like this?

[23:25:46]

kdub:

DustyBin, he quit

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DustyBin:

LOL

[23:25:54]

kdub:

uhm

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kdub:

seriously

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gbee:

DustyBin: taking a sabbatical

[23:25:59]

HeMan:

i have been using myth since 0.19 and it is stable

[23:26:06]

sphery:

had other things to do...

[23:26:26]

eiersalat:

HeMan: even the .21 fixes svn branch i would call stable

[23:26:26]

HeMan:

at least stable enough to let users use it, not just developers

[23:26:30]

gbee:

HeMan: heh, 0.19 wasn't stable and neither was 0.20 ... now I might be prepared to call 0.21 stable

[23:26:46]

sphery:

at least until 0.22 comes out...

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GreyFoxx:

heh

[23:27:07]

HeMan:

gbee: well, neither my wife nor me has had any serious problems

[23:27:32]

kormoc:

HeMan, there's lots of people with the exact opposite experience

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** kormoc shrugs **

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gbee:

hundreds/thousands of bug fixes have gone into 0.21, but it's also had a fair share of new features and with a new feature there is always the danger of new bugs

[23:28:05]

HeMan:

and, the users problems should the distros take care of

[23:28:10]

sphery:

HeMan: That's actually nice to hear (though it likely won't change the version numbering ;). Thanks for the rare comment that's not a complaint.

[23:28:36]

gbee:

but I'd still state that 0.21 is the most stable release in recent memory

[23:28:43]

sphery:

Agreed.

[23:28:57]

HeMan:

i've had more problem with my hardware than with myth

[23:28:58]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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eiersalat:

bst way is i think build mythtv yourself and go the simple stupid way, not messing with distro things etc, or even prepard myth distros, i would say take a none bloated distro and go compile :)

[23:29:15]

AndyCap:

now if only there was a way to get all the metadata from a recording stored in the file

[23:29:24]

HeMan:

and with that i'm not saying that i had a lot of problems

[23:29:32]

sphery:

The only instability I've ever had with Myth was due to faulty hardware. But, I freely admit that I spend way too much time making sure that's the case.

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gbee:

I need to find some aspirin ...

[23:30:29]

sphery:

AndyCap: Meaning what? Get information on recordings through the command line?

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DustyBin:

Stopping MythTV server: mythbackend . <-- goodbye .20 :D

[23:30:33]

gbee:

I go looking for bugs, so I've seen plenty :)

[23:30:51]

HeMan:

friends who use commercial applications have had more problem than I have had with myth

[23:30:58]

sphery:

gbee = exterminator

[23:31:38]

gbee:

heh, no I'm good at finding them, not quite so good at fixing them ;)

[23:31:40]

orthoevra:

best to rpm -e everything first then install or is an rpm -U ok?

[23:31:51]

sphery:

AndyCap: Oh. I think you mean to store the metadata in the recording file with the video/audio...

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tgm4883_laptop:

Is there a way to change the name that the upnp server serves for recordings? IE, i believe that it is coming out called "recordings" when I would rather have it come out as "TV Shows" or something like that

[23:32:21]

** sphery doesn't speak RPM **

[23:32:23]

HeMan:

btw, my 20 month old son loves the visualisations when we play music!

[23:32:33]

GreyFoxx:

tgm4883_laptop: Nope, not without code changes

[23:32:38]

tgm4883_laptop:

:(

[23:32:39]

GreyFoxx:

It would only be a 1 line change though

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tgm4883_laptop:

ok

[23:33:09]

GreyFoxx:

in programs/mythbackend/upnpcdstv.cpp

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GreyFoxx:

at the top

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tgm4883_laptop:

would that require any sort of recompile, or can i just edit that file?

[23:33:50]

GreyFoxx:

it could recently require a recompile :)

[23:33:51]

kdub:

heh

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Beanoes:

anyone in here setup a mediaMVP? I have an issue I am trying to work thru

[23:34:35]

tgm4883_laptop:

well it could recently require a recompile because of .21 getting released, but would that change require a recompile in itself :)

[23:34:42]

sphery:

Oh, Beanoes is here. Pretend you're not here, everyone... ;)

[23:34:50]

GreyFoxx:

tgm4883_laptop: Yes it would

[23:35:03]

GreyFoxx:

any alteration of code will require a recompike

[23:35:13]

tgm4883_laptop:

ah ok

[23:35:17]

tgm4883_laptop:

:(

[23:35:19]

GreyFoxx:

except for interperated languages like bash/perl/python etc

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Beanoes:

lol

[23:35:51]

GreyFoxx:

if you are compiling 0.21 from source just go the edit before you compile

[23:35:56]

gbee:

any of those kindergarten languages ;)

[23:36:05]

** Beanoes looks around and seems like no one is home........ who knows mediaMVP **

[23:36:26]

** sphery has been stuck writing a backup script in a kindergarten language... :( **

[23:36:27]

** kormoc is glad gbee didn't call php a kindergarten language :P **

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tgm4883_laptop:

GreyFoxx, well, i wasn't compiling from source, I was just hoping that I could make a quick change here so it would work with my 360

[23:36:46]

** Beanoes fears its off to forum hell **

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sphery:

kormoc: second grade, even

[23:37:02]

kormoc:

Ha, fair 'nuff :P

[23:37:15]

AndyCap:

sphery: yeah, the last one. that I could in theory take the recordings, copy them to my video folder instead and have the description, channel, date/time still stored in the file. or copy or archive the files and keep the metadata intact.

[23:37:19]

gbee:

Beanoes: I'm not even sure I even know what mediaMVP is, though I'm guessing it's one of those embedded media playing devices which everyone wants to use as a frontend

[23:37:49]

tgm4883_laptop:

guess I will have to resort to a symlink or something

[23:38:00]

Beanoes:

gbee it is indeed. The one I have has a flash and I need to make it load the bin file and it works as a nice front end for myth

[23:38:03]

gbee:

kormoc: well I couldn't really say that of PHP, it sometimes pays my bills ;)

[23:38:28]

GreyFoxx:

Did someone update the release notes with the last 2k commits ? :)

[23:39:00]

Beanoes:

gbee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwcB88yFeZ0

[23:39:01]

sphery:

AndyCap: Yeah. We're more likely to get an export using nuvexport or MythArchive that creates a metadata file that should be moved along with the recording. (Though that seems to have dropped in priority while waiting for other backend changes to allow multiple files per recording--i.e. for transcoded copies).

[23:39:29]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: And a lot of bug fixes... :)

[23:39:33]

AndyCap:

sphery: been googling for metadata options for video files, but nothing real solid like id3

[23:39:45]

AndyCap:

not that id3 is the paragon of metadata storage

[23:39:52]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: feel free to quote me

[23:40:02]

gbee:

actually I'm pretty fond of perl too, but I admit to being puzzled why everyone loves python and why they think it's suitable for desktop applications (may it is, but I don't think it's the right tool for that job)

[23:40:30]

orthoevra:

i re-writes all perls into phps

[23:40:35]

AndyCap:

orthoevra: eeew

[23:40:35]

sphery:

AndyCap: Yeah, there's the unfortunate problem of differing container formats. And, the container over which we have the most control (NUV) is the one users hate the most.

[23:40:42]

orthoevra:

mmm PHP

[23:40:46]

kormoc:

Perl has it's place

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kormoc:

but I do like PHP better

[23:41:06]

GreyFoxx:

I like the upcoming MKV extra data like subtitle fonts, coverpowers etc right in the container

[23:41:09]

AndyCap:

sphery: how much control does one need over the container?

[23:41:14]

GreyFoxx:

coverposters I meant

[23:41:38]

sphery:

AndyCap: Well, to modify the container to contain extra metadata (that's not natively supported by the container format)...

[23:42:02]

orthoevra:

what database tables will break with upgrading to .21 should we drop tables and make all new?

[23:42:10]

sphery:

none

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orthoevra:

good

[23:42:15]

sphery:

make sure you backup first, though.

[23:42:19]

orthoevra:

always

[23:42:23]

AndyCap:

sphery: dunno if that's necessary for the formats people use

[23:42:40]

GreyFoxx:

One warning though, MySQL 5 is now required

[23:42:40]

sphery:

orthoevra: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.5

[23:42:49]

gbee:

perl-cgi is dead IMHO, php long ago replaced it as the language of choice for web applications – that still leaves a place for perl in glue scripts and little helper apps but these days I hardly ever have a reason to use perl

[23:43:02]

GreyFoxx:

if you are stuck with 4 you will need to upgrade mysql and the QT-mysql bits too

[23:43:06]

orthoevra:

sphery: bah.. cp -r mythconverg /mnt/mybackupdrive

[23:43:09]

sphery:

And, (in theory), if you try to run with MySQL 4, it will bail out before upgrading the DB schema.

[23:43:15]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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orthoevra:

its not such a huge enterprise DB that i need to fiddle wtih exporting na dimporting

[23:43:27]

GreyFoxx:

it will hit like 1204/1205 and fail

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kormoc:

gbee, the main issue with PHP is it runs after the request is fully transfered (so for file uploads, only after it's fully uploaded) where perl can run while it's uploading and provide a much nicer interface (progress bars and the like)

[23:44:31]

sphery:

Actually, with the MySQL version check I did (in response to users reporting the failure on 1204/1205), it should bail before that (before modifying any of the DB schema)

[23:44:55]

sphery:

allows users to decide to revert back to 0.20 without having to restore a backup

[23:45:00]

AndyCap:

I guess there's MPEG-7 but dunno how that works with a mpeg ts/ps

[23:45:09]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: Cool

[23:45:33]

sphery:

Note the, "in theory," though. It always worked for me, but in the wild...

[23:45:37]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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sphery:

AndyCap: I though MPEG-7 was basically abandoned...

[23:46:18]

AndyCap:

sphery: possible

[23:46:51]

AndyCap:

was just an excuse for an mpeg vacation to palma de mallorca? :P

[23:47:02]

** xris gives up hope of an hd homerun being worth the cost for now.... **

[23:47:06]

gbee:

yeah, there's that, I remember being disappointed to find that php didn't support pushing data to the browser

[23:47:07]

sphery:

AndyCap: guess it's still in the works...

[23:47:29]

orthoevra:

php+ ajax ftw

[23:47:54]

orthoevra:

i guess it would be more ajap

[23:48:03]

kormoc:

orthoevra, no it wouldn't

[23:48:18]

sphery:

AndyCap: Now you've got me interested in MPEG-7 support in Myth.

[23:48:22]

orthoevra:

kormox: sure it would if your not using xml why would you have an X in there?

[23:48:32]

kormoc:

orthoevra, you need perl or another module, php just can't do what I'm talking about

[23:48:47]

kormoc:

orthoevra, fileuploads are not xml...

[23:48:52]

orthoevra:

kormoc: i dunno what ur talking about i was just making my own conversation :)

[23:49:22]

AndyCap:

sphery: a possible problem is perhaps that the mpeg standard is too big and all-encompassing for mere mortals to comprehend. :P

[23:49:38]

sphery:

And the spec probably costs $100K

[23:49:44]

AndyCap:

ah, there's that.

[23:49:48]

gbee:

use CGI wq(:push) (aka multipart)

[23:50:06]

AndyCap:

hmm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-7

[23:50:18]

sphery:

Yeah, I'm looking through that now

[23:50:19]

AndyCap:

MPEG-47? oh come on. it's not like it's raid-10

[23:50:43]

sphery:

I always like RAID 1+0, instead

[23:50:44]

AndyCap:

I guess mp3 already screwed that.

[23:50:55]

sphery:

yeah, I love that people think that's MPEG-3

[23:51:08]

kormoc:

I rather RAID 0+1 :P

[23:51:12]

gbee:

Beanoes: I'm looking at that video and wondering why no-one ever reported that the text and alignment are all wrong with titivillus

[23:51:20]

AndyCap:

kormoc: eew. imminent fail

[23:51:42]

kormoc:

AndyCap, depends on the usage cases, there's times it's actually faster

[23:52:02]

AndyCap:

kormoc: also more exposure time during recovery

[23:52:18]

kormoc:

Indeed, but at times, the performance is worth it

[23:52:37]

sphery:

kormoc: was talking about the name (I don't use RAID 1+0, myself)

[23:52:53]

AndyCap:

kormoc: faster on what implementation btw?

[23:52:56]

kormoc:

sphery, yeah, I know

[23:54:08]

kormoc:

AndyCap, when you have multiple controller cards, Say you have 4x 12 drive controller cards, each of those cards are raid-0 and then you raid-1 the arrays together, only 4x copies of the data over the pci bus, you go the other way, it's a ton more bus thrash

[23:54:22]

AndyCap:

kormoc: aha, I see. :)

[23:54:58]

Beanoes:

gbee lol now that is funny! Anyhow, its a cool gizmo and can be used in the bed room (as computers are forbidden from the bed room, computer widow wife etc, etc)

[23:55:39]

AndyCap:

kormoc: hmm, no, actually I don't see. :-P

[23:56:23]

sphery:

gbee: where's the misalignment? It looks pretty much right on my system (though could use a bit more space under the status icons in Watch Recordings).

[23:56:25]

AndyCap:

unless you want the mirrors on different controllers, which is desireable I guess.

[23:56:39]

kormoc:

AndyCap, that's the usage case I'm giving, aye

[23:57:14]

gbee:

sphery: video that Beanoes posted is all wrong, text being clipped all over the place, images overlapping text etc

[23:57:32]

kormoc:

AndyCap, each controler is striped internally so it's one fast targer, then you mirror all the controllers together, so if a controller goes down, no loss

[23:57:40]

sphery:

Hmmm. Perhpas "fixed in 0.21" :)

[23:57:54]

gbee:

may have been fixed in trunk, I don't really remember, but justin did some work at one point

[23:58:08]

sphery:

Just segfaulted my mythfrontend when going to MythVideo in Titivillus...

[23:58:17]

AndyCap:

kormoc: yeah. was thinking of keeping the pairs on the same controller and striping across all of them, but if one controller dies, you're screwed. :)

[23:58:36]

gbee:

sphery: so much for stable

[23:58:47]

kormoc:

AndyCap, heh, indeed

[23:58:47]

sphery:

Not a theme thing... Probably because I haven't configured the plugins on my dev box.

[23:59:06]

sphery:

2008-03–08 18:58:29.814 VideoDialog: Couldn't find your theme. I'm outta here (gallery-video-ui)

[23:59:14]

sphery:

Um, I didn't think it was a theme thing...

[23:59:20]

gbee:

sphery: sure it's not a theme thing? Anduin did make some changes, though I expect he made sure to update all the core themes

[23:59:20]

kormoc:

AndyCap, it's really interesting how 'rules of thumb' change when just the amount of hardware changes

[23:59:44]

AndyCap:

kormoc: but for 48 drives I guess I'd be looking at FC and multipath instead.

[23:59:57]

sphery:

How recently? I'm running trunk r16421 – Thu Mar 6 23:34:09 EST 2008

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