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| [00:09:17] | darkwizzard: | how can i restore database |
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| [00:22:52] | lwizardl: | hi |
| [00:22:58] | cecil: | darkwizzard: w/ dark magic |
| [00:23:17] | cecil: | darkwizzard: are you taking about a proper backup of mythconverg? |
| [00:23:22] | cecil: | hello lwizardl |
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| [00:23:45] | lwizardl: | anyone here using a kworld atsc 110 on ubuntu? |
| [00:24:03] | jamesd: | lwizardl, i have 2x kworld 115's with mythbuntu |
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| [00:24:42] | lwizardl: | jamesd, would you mind helping me with getting my kworld working |
| [00:25:11] | jamesd: | lwizardl, what is the issue |
| [00:25:57] | lwizardl: | I just redid the ubuntu install and finishing up the updates now |
| [00:26:27] | lwizardl: | I can't sem to get the card detected correctly. I had it working for analog only but not the digital |
| [00:27:47] | lwizardl: | i'm going to use the 110 with my antenna for digital channels |
| [00:28:27] | jamesd: | does the kernel report in dmesg? |
| [00:28:34] | nettow0822: | Has anyone entered the channel data using the "add channel"? |
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| [00:28:59] | jamesd: | shoudl show up as a saa7133 |
| [00:29:41] | lwizardl: | dmesg | tail ? |
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| [00:30:03] | jamesd: | dmesg | grep saa7135 |
| [00:30:23] | lwizardl: | nothing |
| [00:30:42] | lwizardl: | i have not done the add firmware yet |
| [00:31:30] | jamesd: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Kworld_ATSC_110 |
| [00:31:50] | jamesd: | do those steps and i will help you get it working in myth |
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| [00:32:04] | lwizardl: | yeah I haven't done that yet on this install |
| [00:32:18] | lwizardl: | i'm still waiting on the ubuntu updates to finish |
| [00:32:29] | lwizardl: | ok thanks |
| [00:32:40] | jamesd: | you can get it all done... except for the reboot |
| [00:32:40] | jamesd: | \ |
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| [00:34:46] | lwizardl: | so I can do those while this update is going? |
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| [00:37:35] | jamesd: | yes just open up another terminal... |
| [00:39:12] | lwizardl: | ok did dmesg | grep -i saa7133 and it says dmesg | grep -i saa7133 |
| [00:39:16] | lwizardl: | oops |
| [00:39:25] | lwizardl: | it says [ 49.933311] saa7133[0]: subsystem: 17de:7350, board: Kworld ATSC110 [card=90,autodetected] |
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| [00:39:56] | jamesd: | okay run the mythtv setup program |
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| [00:41:45] | lwizardl: | ok |
| [00:42:11] | lwizardl: | gotta install mythbuntu app |
| [00:44:14] | lwizardl: | how do i tell which ATI remote to select in the LIRC screen? |
| [00:44:31] | lwizardl: | kernel or userspace? |
| [00:44:59] | jamesd: | no clue.. i used an mce (microsoft) couldn't get the kworld one to work |
| [00:45:21] | lwizardl: | well this remote came with my old ATI radeon card |
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| [00:46:45] | jamesd: | you can worry about the remote later its usually easier than the capture card |
| [00:47:10] | lwizardl: | yeah i was just asking because mythbuntu asked |
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| [01:02:38] | darkwizzard: | anyone know why i get this error |
| [01:02:40] | darkwizzard: | new version: 1203 |
| [01:02:41] | darkwizzard: | 2008-03–06 19:31:27.204 Database Schema upgrade FAILED, unlocking. |
| [01:02:41] | darkwizzard: | 2008-03–06 19:31:27.204 Couldn't upgrade database to new schema |
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| [01:11:47] | iamlindoro_: | darkwizzard: I would run mysqlcheck on your database and see if it's damaged at all |
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| [01:18:47] | lwizardl: | hi |
| [01:19:34] | jamesd: | hello |
| [01:19:35] | lwizardl: | jamesd, sorry pc froze during the mythbuntu install and now I was getting a grub error so I'm in the process of reinstall again |
| [01:19:59] | jamesd: | sorry |
| [01:20:07] | darkwizzard: | iamlindoro it came back all okay |
| [01:20:43] | lwizardl: | i think when I did the dmesg | grep -i saa7134 i think it would have worked in mythtv because last time it never found the drivers last time i did it on my own |
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| [03:08:11] | Torgoton: | Hey all. I'm running mythtv from atrpms on Fedora 8 with an nvidia 6200 card, P4 CPU @2.78GHz or so. HDTV playback stutters. How can I configure playback to get something smoother? |
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| [03:12:23] | jamesd: | ToadP, install nvidia closed source driver |
| [03:14:00] | a1fa: | so who was telling me about windows resolution |
| [03:14:08] | a1fa: | how windows lies about its resolution |
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| [04:00:14] | a1fa: | http://timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.htm |
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| [04:01:58] | kdub: | hey i broke apache somehow, now http://localhost/mythweb is trying too access /mythweb.php/mythweb |
| [04:02:05] | kdub: | i think i need to reset the apache root directory or something |
| [04:02:34] | kdub: | how would i do that |
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| [04:06:06] | venger: | if I want to change the mysql mythtv user password, i need to: stop backend, update /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt, update password on frontend, anything else? |
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| [04:06:34] | kdub: | mythweb.conf |
| [04:06:37] | kdub: | if you are using it |
| [04:06:58] | venger: | good call, glad i stopped by |
| [04:07:23] | HeatHawk[LI]: | What does: 'SetInputAndFormat() failed' meen? My stuff all of a sudden stopped recording, and the log says it wont change channels, but i can watch tv live perfectly |
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| [04:12:49] | venger: | kdub, looks like it is mythweb-htaccess to be precise |
| [04:13:38] | kdub: | yeah i dont think htaccess is the hip way to do it |
| [04:13:54] | xris: | not anymore |
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| [04:14:06] | xris: | apache conf is more reliable |
| [04:14:15] | banyan: | heyas. |
| [04:14:27] | Aval0n: | http://cgi.ebay.com/Mediasonic-HUR1-SU2LA-Rai . . . photohosting i was looking to get this |
| [04:14:29] | Aval0n: | bu then I saw |
| [04:14:38] | Aval0n: | FAT 32: *Up to 127GB Single File System Support! |
| [04:14:46] | Aval0n: | so it will except 2 500gb drives |
| [04:14:51] | kdub: | xris, man, how do i set my web server root directory back to /var/www/html |
| [04:14:53] | Aval0n: | but max partition size = 127gb? |
| [04:14:54] | Aval0n: | wtf |
| [04:15:07] | banyan: | Can one of you fine folks name a non-sucky torrent search website? |
| [04:15:17] | Aval0n: | uhm |
| [04:15:33] | banyan: | I am of course looking for completely legal open source torrent stuff. :-) |
| [04:15:34] | Aval0n: | that's not exactly mythtv related now is it? |
| [04:15:51] | xris: | kdub: documentroot = /var/www/html ? |
| [04:16:05] | banyan: | It might be if I'm looking for an iso of knoppmyth. |
| [04:17:35] | venger: | kdub,i think i skipped the apache portion in the wiki since it wasn't describing apache2, the config would be pretty much the same? |
| [04:18:00] | kdub: | venger, i dont know, i have never done it the new way |
| [04:18:03] | kdub: | i am trying to right now |
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| [04:29:09] | banyan: | So what's new in the myth world? |
| [04:30:39] | venger: | kdub, the mythweb-htaccess file talks about putting the entire block in apache.conf, something the wiki doesn't mention, but it does make sense in that the config would need to know the db password if not from mythweb-htaccess itself |
| [04:32:25] | xris: | venger: there is no .htaccess file in mythweb anymore |
| [04:33:00] | venger: | xris .htaccess is another file altogether i'm talking about /etc/mythtv/mythtv-htaccess |
| [04:33:25] | Aval0n: | what do you guys think of this |
| [04:33:25] | Aval0n: | http://mediasonicinc.com/store/product_info.p . . . f626295525b3 |
| [04:33:34] | xris: | venger: sounds like something distro-specific, then |
| [04:33:38] | xris: | nothing I wrote. |
| [04:38:02] | orthoevra: | whats this i hear about kernel 2.6.24 having issues with tv tuners? |
| [04:39:04] | mikeones: | I am running 2.6.24.2 with a pvr-350 and have had no issues |
| [04:39:10] | orthoevra: | actually v4l-dvb to be precise |
| [04:39:19] | mikeones: | ahh |
| [04:39:26] | mikeones: | don't now |
| [04:39:35] | mikeones: | s/now/know |
| [04:39:36] | venger: | xris, come to find out: /var/www/mythweb/.htaccess -> /etc/mythtv/mythweb-htaccess this is on debian |
| [04:39:54] | orthoevra: | i like my HVR950 to work.. im afriad to update kernel now |
| [04:40:17] | mikeones: | venger: that is user preference I thought |
| [04:40:20] | xris: | venger: still using .20 packages, then... which would still be distributed with an htaccess |
| [04:42:14] | banyan: | so there's no stable .21 package yet huh... |
| [04:42:35] | Aval0n: | anyone know a cheap NAS that supports RAID1? |
| [04:42:41] | Aval0n: | that's not Fat32 |
| [04:43:04] | venger: | the highest i see on sid is 0.20.2.svn20080126–0.0, i'm on december |
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| [04:46:18] | xris: | banyan: .21 isn't out yet |
| [04:46:39] | xris: | but a lot of people started grabbing it when the branch was created last week (or whenever that was) |
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| [04:51:18] | banyan: | I'm eagerly awaiting the mytharchive fix. but 0.20.2 is working pretty well. |
| [04:53:19] | kdub: | heh |
| [04:53:29] | kdub: | got my iphone working as a remote |
| [04:53:35] | kdub: | this is so worthless and awesome |
| [04:53:38] | banyan: | oh, that's cool. |
| [04:54:13] | kdub: | its impossible to use the way this guy has it set up |
| [04:54:14] | orthoevra: | worthless and awesome.. i like that |
| [04:54:17] | kdub: | needs more buttons |
| [04:54:23] | orthoevra: | kdub: jailbroken? |
| [04:54:30] | kdub: | yeah |
| [04:54:35] | kdub: | it doesnt need to be though |
| [04:54:52] | kdub: | the remote is just a webpage served to you through mythweb |
| [04:54:53] | orthoevra: | i want an iphone but they too much $ |
| [04:54:55] | kdub: | er |
| [04:55:14] | kdub: | actually it doesnt ahve crap to do with mythweb, |
| [04:55:35] | kdub: | but it is just a webpage |
| [04:55:53] | xris: | kdub: now that the sdk is out, you should get the gmyth people to make an iphone port |
| [04:56:28] | kdub: | yeah |
| [04:56:31] | kdub: | im sure they will |
| [04:56:43] | kdub: | which will be goddam awesome, especially if they can get it working over EDGE |
| [04:57:04] | orthoevra: | isnt jailbreaking an iphone illigal? |
| [04:57:15] | orthoevra: | or is it just "frowned upon"? |
| [04:57:26] | kdub: | i think its on the same level as playing DVDs in linux |
| [04:57:42] | orthoevra: | ah.. or cfw on a psp? |
| [04:57:55] | banyan: | ya know, it shouldn't be illegal. you buy the thing, you should be able to unlock it. |
| [04:58:14] | orthoevra: | i agree... but big companies with their big moneys want to own us all |
| [04:58:35] | banyan: | if we let that idea constrain us, then they do. |
| [04:59:19] | orthoevra: | too late... IMHO (dmca) |
| [04:59:44] | banyan: | consider it civil disobedience. The DMCA is evil. |
| [05:00:06] | venger: | anyone running mythweb with apache2 configuration mind pastebinning your apache2 conf (masking sensitive data of course) so I can clear up some misunderstandings I have while reading the mythweb wiki? i'm guessing all the directives setenv db_*, AuthType etc are to go in the conf and not just the Directory directive as described by the wiki |
| [05:00:22] | kdub: | venger, i got a fresh on for you |
| [05:00:31] | kdub: | just got it up like 5 minutes ago |
| [05:00:32] | kdub: | heh |
| [05:00:35] | venger: | i like fresh |
| [05:00:44] | xris: | venger: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythplugins/mythweb |
| [05:00:49] | xris: | read the INSTALL |
| [05:00:51] | kdub: | there is no setenv dude |
| [05:01:08] | xris: | venger: install and config file should work just fine for .20 |
| [05:01:21] | defaultro: | hey xris, how's your mythweb? |
| [05:01:27] | xris: | defaultro: works fine |
| [05:01:31] | defaultro: | cool |
| [05:01:38] | xris: | but then I know a guy who can fix most of my problems. :) |
| [05:01:39] | defaultro: | by the way, something is weird with my LOST recording |
| [05:02:15] | defaultro: | the playback behaves like when we are watching on a 120hz hdtv with motion blur compensation enabled |
| [05:02:27] | defaultro: | it goes fast, then normal, then fast again |
| [05:02:39] | xris: | odd |
| [05:02:44] | defaultro: | there is nothing running in the background. Other HD recordings playback is fine |
| [05:03:00] | defaultro: | it's always LOST |
| [05:03:07] | defaultro: | last recording was the same also |
| [05:03:16] | dagar: | mine was fine tonight |
| [05:03:16] | defaultro: | let me look at the frame rate |
| [05:03:53] | venger: | kdub, right in the INSTALL doc xris posted it talks about all the setenv db_* stuff i've been mentioning under 5.1 Apache config, you trying to confuse me? |
| [05:03:56] | defaultro: | file is fine as reported by ffmpeg |
| [05:04:26] | defaultro: | ah, I can try mplayer |
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| [05:05:12] | defaultro: | wow, something is weird |
| [05:05:30] | defaultro: | switches between demux_mpg: 24000/1001fps and demux_mpg: 30000/1001fps |
| [05:05:50] | defaultro: | not sure why this is happening to ABC |
| [05:06:07] | defaultro: | I also see this, Warning! FPS changed 47.952 -> 59.940 |
| [05:07:06] | xris: | defaultro: digital/firewire recording? |
| [05:08:24] | defaultro: | QAM from Dvico |
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| [05:24:54] | lwizardl: | what would be the easiest to configure card for HD in mythtv? |
| [05:25:46] | dagar: | hdhomerun maybe |
| [05:26:27] | lwizardl: | becuase I'm tired of trying to get this kworld card working |
| [05:26:59] | lwizardl: | hdhomerun I don't think is what I'm looking for |
| [05:27:23] | dagar: | what are you looking for? |
| [05:27:59] | lwizardl: | prefer internal card |
| [05:28:30] | dagar: | pchdtv.com ? |
| [05:31:54] | lwizardl: | that one i like |
| [05:33:03] | dagar: | I've always liked the idea of the hdhomerun |
| [05:33:46] | dagar: | easier to run cat5 to your hdhomerun than expensive cable to your antenna |
| [05:34:24] | mchou: | dagar: not if you dont have cable (coax) |
| [05:35:09] | dagar: | ahh |
| [05:35:16] | dagar: | your cable companies are more generous than mine |
| [05:35:43] | lwizardl: | hdhomerun would be nice to feed multiple lines into a couple boxes but currently i only have one line needed |
| [05:35:50] | mchou: | dagar: who is your cableco? |
| [05:35:57] | dagar: | rogers in canada |
| [05:36:15] | dagar: | I'm stuck with a stb or analog cable |
| [05:36:32] | mchou: | dagar: man, that can be rough..... |
| [05:36:39] | clever: | 2008-03–07 01:32:18.635 MSqlQuery: DELETE FROM settings WHERE value = 'MusicAutoShowPlayer' AND hostname = 'theP4' ; |
| [05:36:43] | clever: | 2008-03–07 01:32:18.637 MSqlQuery: INSERT INTO settings (value,data,hostname) VALUES ( 'MusicAutoShowPlayer', '1', 'theP4' ); |
| [05:36:49] | mchou: | dagar: and no firewire on STB, correct? |
| [05:36:51] | dagar: | I've been pretty lucky with firewire and the stb |
| [05:36:57] | clever: | i can see how that method of setting update has caused my past problems |
| [05:36:57] | dagar: | but can't get all the channels |
| [05:37:02] | mchou: | dagar: ok |
| [05:37:09] | dagar: | and I get a lot of garbage video over firewire sometimes |
| [05:37:13] | clever: | sometimes the frontend or mysql gets killed between the delete and insert |
| [05:37:19] | clever: | causing the setting to simply disapear |
| [05:37:30] | clever: | and mythtv seems to do that with nearly all settings |
| [05:37:40] | clever: | an update query seems much better |
| [05:37:55] | mchou: | dagar: garbage video is generally indicative of bad signal (too many splitters, as an example) |
| [05:38:20] | clever: | where in the code is that delete/insert pair generated? |
| [05:38:27] | dagar: | it's mostly the nasty stuff they do with inserting commercials and such |
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| [05:40:00] | mchou: | defaultro: you ever get the fan controller working? |
| [05:42:52] | defaultro: | hey, i need your help |
| [05:42:55] | defaultro: | nah, just kdding |
| [05:42:57] | defaultro: | it's awesome |
| [05:43:24] | defaultro: | i can now watch at night even at -32db on my master volume from my receiver |
| [05:43:47] | mchou: | defaultro: you use a zener or a real PWM fan controller? |
| [05:43:49] | defaultro: | before, I had to crank it up upto -17db in order for me to hear the talking |
| [05:43:53] | defaultro: | just zener |
| [05:43:57] | mchou: | bah |
| [05:43:59] | defaultro: | let me show you some pictures |
| [05:44:00] | mchou: | wimp |
| [05:44:03] | defaultro: | :D |
| [05:44:04] | defaultro: | it's cheap |
| [05:44:06] | defaultro: | it works |
| [05:44:24] | mchou: | yeah, but it aint professional :) |
| [05:44:26] | defaultro: | but I can change in the future if the advantage is huge |
| [05:44:30] | defaultro: | ah, :D |
| [05:44:32] | defaultro: | got it |
| [05:45:51] | mchou: | you know some PWM fan controllers have temperature sensors so they compensate for temp changes? |
| [05:45:54] | defaultro: | check this out, http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5025/zeneronfanso1.jpg |
| [05:46:05] | mchou: | lol |
| [05:46:11] | mchou: | GHETTO |
| [05:46:29] | defaultro: | here is another one, http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4425/smallbackfansl1.jpg |
| [05:46:30] | defaultro: | :D |
| [05:46:40] | mchou: | you messed up the soldering job too |
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| [05:46:57] | defaultro: | soldering I guess is good :) really thin |
| [05:46:57] | mchou: | burned the insulation off the other wire |
| [05:47:09] | defaultro: | ah, i did burned it |
| [05:47:21] | defaultro: | I burned it so I can remove the sleeve :p |
| [05:47:29] | defaultro: | i couldn't find my cutter |
| [05:47:29] | mchou: | and you never heard of heat shrink?? |
| [05:47:45] | defaultro: | what |
| [05:47:49] | mchou: | lol |
| [05:47:55] | defaultro: | i did use heat shrink there, the color black |
| [05:48:10] | defaultro: | seen here, http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4425/smallbackfansl1.jpg |
| [05:48:11] | mchou: | yeah, but it's not shrunk |
| [05:48:31] | clever: | mchou: my acer system and dell systems can addjust the fan speeds based on temp |
| [05:48:35] | mchou: | eeewww, nas-T |
| [05:48:47] | clever: | mchou: in the acer ive shut the bios control off and im using a windows prog called speedfan |
| [05:48:55] | mchou: | clever: that's not quite what we are talking about |
| [05:49:07] | clever: | mchou: i can control which fans are tied to which temp sensors and what temp range to perfer |
| [05:49:17] | clever: | and what the min/max fan speeds are |
| [05:49:22] | defaultro: | ah, are you referrin to this one? http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5025/zeneronfanso1.jpg |
| [05:49:27] | mchou: | defaultro's fans aren't in a computer |
| [05:49:40] | defaultro: | i haven't heated the shrink yet |
| [05:49:41] | clever: | the bios cant control fan speed based on hdd temp for example |
| [05:49:44] | clever: | ahhh |
| [05:49:51] | defaultro: | I was just showing it step by step |
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| [05:50:41] | defaultro: | then if you notice on the other picture, the shrink is now close to the diode |
| [05:51:21] | clever: | you could stick the temp&pwm controler on the i2c/smbus in a DIMM slot and use speedfan |
| [05:51:21] | clever: | but its a bit bloated to ahve an entire computer and windows just to control a fan:P |
| [05:51:21] | mchou: | defaultro: man, that's ghetto as all get out |
| [05:51:22] | mchou: | you should have soldered the zener on the other end |
| [05:51:22] | mchou: | so that the wires still remain as long as possible |
| [05:51:53] | defaultro: | ah, I didn't know that |
| [05:51:55] | defaultro: | I cut it shorter |
| [05:52:11] | defaultro: | what is wrong with cutting it shorter? |
| [05:52:22] | mchou: | limits your options |
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| [05:52:50] | mchou: | but anyway, at least it works for you |
| [05:52:51] | defaultro: | ok |
| [05:52:54] | defaultro: | yep |
| [05:53:04] | mchou: | pwm is still the preferred way |
| [05:53:13] | defaultro: | gotcha |
| [05:53:20] | mchou: | all 5 fans under PWM control |
| [05:53:24] | defaultro: | they also told me that there is one wire that handles all the 5 fans |
| [05:53:32] | defaultro: | i guess I can hook up the PWM control there |
| [05:53:33] | mchou: | lol |
| [05:53:58] | defaultro: | they send me the ramp circuit |
| [05:54:06] | defaultro: | it uses 555 timer |
| [05:54:06] | mchou: | that would be the preferred method |
| [05:54:11] | defaultro: | yep |
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| [05:54:29] | mchou: | who send you the ramp circuit? |
| [05:54:35] | mchou: | sent* |
| [05:54:38] | defaultro: | they said that it also uses the capacitor to turn on the fan then ramps down to 5 volts |
| [05:54:48] | defaultro: | the crt folks at avsforum |
| [05:55:08] | defaultro: | the guy who owns 12 sony 1272 projectors :p |
| [05:55:11] | mchou: | lol. those guys dont know jack about electronics |
| [05:55:20] | defaultro: | not sure |
| [05:55:35] | mchou: | using caps is also real getto |
| [05:55:36] | defaultro: | the one I implement was from another guy |
| [05:55:47] | mchou: | ghetto* |
| [05:55:48] | defaultro: | from that guy, just using zener is not pro |
| [05:56:09] | mchou: | it's not pro |
| [05:56:13] | defaultro: | but the other guy that sent me the ramp circuit, is the one that has been modding his 1272, same as your solution |
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| [05:56:43] | mchou: | since the amount of heat says the same in the system (since zeners have to dissapate the heat) |
| [05:57:01] | defaultro: | I didn't get that |
| [05:57:02] | mchou: | pwm is a quick switch |
| [05:57:19] | defaultro: | is the heat different using the one I implement and versus using pwm? |
| [05:57:25] | defaultro: | implemented |
| [05:57:43] | mchou: | so there is no heat that's needs to be dissapated when the switch is off. |
| [05:58:12] | defaultro: | however, if switch is off, the projector will shut down. There is a third wire that monitors the fan movement |
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| [05:58:44] | mchou: | zeners dont turn anything off so the extra energy gets converted as heat |
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| [05:59:06] | mchou: | "extra" in quotes |
| [05:59:19] | defaultro: | k |
| [05:59:30] | defaultro: | so what does it turn off? |
| [05:59:36] | defaultro: | i mean, in pwm approach |
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| [06:00:06] | mchou: | that's all pwm turns off |
| [06:00:09] | defaultro: | like what i said earlier, the fan has to be rotating or else, the projector will quickly shutdown in 2 secs |
| [06:00:33] | mchou: | pwm the fan is _always_ rotating |
| [06:00:40] | defaultro: | k |
| [06:00:46] | mchou: | just at a lower duty cycle |
| [06:00:49] | clever: | enless its setting the speed to 0% |
| [06:01:10] | defaultro: | so mchou, i only need 1 pwm correct? |
| [06:01:15] | clever: | my computer can totaly shut off the cpu and case fan and still run |
| [06:01:51] | mchou: | defaultro: yup, if there is one lead that controls all 5 fans |
| [06:01:57] | defaultro: | ok |
| [06:02:20] | defaultro: | can you please pull up the one you recommended me to buy previously? |
| [06:02:28] | mchou: | nope |
| [06:02:45] | clever: | theres a pageup key on most keyboards |
| [06:02:57] | mchou: | I dont remember it. I cited it as a random example |
| [06:03:01] | defaultro: | k |
| [06:03:05] | clever: | i cant even think of a keyboard without one |
| [06:03:13] | defaultro: | clever, you are way off :p |
| [06:03:38] | clever: | way off from what?:P |
| [06:03:59] | mchou: | way off from what we are talking 'bout |
| [06:04:08] | clever: | ahh |
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| [06:04:20] | clever: | trying to pwm control the fan speed in a rack of projectors? |
| [06:04:52] | mchou: | defaultro: so what did you do with your vonage pap2 or ATA? |
| [06:04:55] | defaultro: | fans that are directly on the projector perse |
| [06:05:09] | defaultro: | Vonage? you mean phone? |
| [06:05:16] | mchou: | defaultro: yeah |
| [06:05:24] | defaultro: | i shut it down 2 years ago, wife wasn't happy |
| [06:05:33] | mchou: | defaultro: you told me you no longer use vonage |
| [06:05:36] | defaultro: | choppy on some calls |
| [06:05:44] | defaultro: | yes, we disconnected it 2 years ago |
| [06:05:53] | mchou: | defaultro: sell me your pap2 :) |
| [06:05:55] | defaultro: | the box is still with me |
| [06:05:58] | defaultro: | what is pap2? |
| [06:06:06] | mchou: | the box |
| [06:06:07] | defaultro: | is that the device |
| [06:06:08] | defaultro: | ah |
| [06:06:13] | defaultro: | i'll think about it |
| [06:06:25] | defaultro: | my friends told me that I can send it to philippines to my relatives |
| [06:06:33] | mchou: | defaultro: I'm being serious :) |
| [06:06:40] | defaultro: | me too |
| [06:06:47] | mchou: | yup, you can send it to your relatives |
| [06:06:48] | defaultro: | looks like I will be able to use it again |
| [06:06:57] | defaultro: | yeah, they have cable internet now at home |
| [06:07:03] | mchou: | you should be able to use it right now |
| [06:07:05] | defaultro: | then i'll just add $14 monthely |
| [06:07:17] | mchou: | no, no need to pay $14 |
| [06:07:18] | defaultro: | i can't, I don't have anymore vonage |
| [06:07:30] | mchou: | you dont need vonage is the beauty |
| [06:07:32] | defaultro: | no more subscription, i mean |
| [06:07:37] | defaultro: | oh my god |
| [06:07:40] | defaultro: | what are you talking about |
| [06:07:45] | defaultro: | :p |
| [06:07:50] | mchou: | you don't need no stinking subscription |
| [06:07:57] | defaultro: | we should talk privately |
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| [06:08:30] | mchou: | defaultro: what's your inet bandwidth? |
| [06:08:39] | mchou: | cause the chop is curable |
| [06:08:43] | defaultro: | it's 8mb downstream, 1mp upstream |
| [06:09:02] | mchou: | is that cable? |
| [06:09:06] | defaultro: | yes |
| [06:09:10] | defaultro: | ocmcast |
| [06:09:34] | mchou: | then your box settings are incorrect |
| [06:09:40] | defaultro: | ok |
| [06:09:52] | mchou: | cause there is no way you shold get chop on that |
| [06:09:57] | defaultro: | i never configured the box, I just hooked it up before |
| [06:10:09] | mchou: | unless you are bittorrenting or some such :) |
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| [06:10:19] | defaultro: | i contacted vonage before and they configured something on their end |
| [06:10:27] | mchou: | screw vonage |
| [06:10:31] | mchou: | they suck |
| [06:10:32] | defaultro: | nope, I don't do bittorrent |
| [06:10:40] | defaultro: | so how can I use this box? |
| [06:10:45] | mchou: | simple |
| [06:10:53] | defaultro: | send me the link that I can read up on |
| [06:11:02] | mchou: | you have a virtually free phone |
| [06:11:06] | defaultro: | k |
| [06:11:19] | mchou: | not $0, but close |
| [06:11:24] | defaultro: | it's fine |
| [06:12:47] | clever: | now where might i find the docs for the MSqlQuery class...? |
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| [06:14:50] | clever: | i think i found it |
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| [06:24:52] | venkelos: | i get a lot of these while using firewire over cable to record high def tv: FireRec, Error: TS packet out of sync |
| [06:25:03] | venkelos: | is this common and are there any solutions? |
| [06:29:56] | venkelos: | oh i see thats when buffering fails for whatever reason, but my real problem during playback is i get a lot of 'nvp: prebuffering pause' |
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| [08:48:55] | Tanthrix: | Delightful. I'm getting a ~20 percent time out rate on pings to the outside world. |
| [08:49:09] | Tanthrix: | Oddly enough, downloads are unaffected, as is web browsing. |
| [08:49:35] | clever: | my dsl feels like its randomly 'crashing' |
| [08:50:06] | clever: | when it 'crash'es it totaly looses the connection(irc,http totaly halt and sometimes timeout) |
| [08:50:16] | clever: | and it comes back to life about 20 seconds later |
| [08:50:48] | clever: | xp was constantly aborting the connections because of that bug, but linux mearly ping timeouts even less often |
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| [08:52:20] | hnitsuj: | found out why my cctv dvr can't be accessed from the outside world. nothing wrong with my router at all. the fact I'd not put the gateway details on the DVR network settings is the culprit apparently – for _incoming_ connections. weird |
| [08:52:20] | sndguru: | hello everyone got an interesting one |
| [08:52:53] | Tanthrix: | clever: One of these days I'm getting myself an OC3 or something. |
| [08:53:26] | sndguru: | my recordings are showing empty, I can watch live tv, and select new recording in the guide, everyone got an idea |
| [08:53:49] | clever: | Tanthrix: my dsl is also performing way below specs for bandwidth |
| [08:54:06] | hnitsuj: | sndguru: wrong group filter/viewing settings. press menu while in the watch recordings screen |
| [08:54:19] | clever: | hnitsuj: the gateway needs to be set right so it knows where to route the reply packets |
| [08:54:27] | clever: | i had a similar headache after a power outage |
| [08:54:42] | sndguru: | filter show recording there 222 in one 126 in second and 300 something in thrid |
| [08:54:56] | clever: | i had shutdown a box with 230+ day uptime because of the power outage(blindly did shutdown -h while on UPS power) |
| [08:55:10] | hnitsuj: | sndguru: que? |
| [08:55:19] | sndguru: | clever I hate losing an uptime like that |
| [08:55:22] | clever: | hnitsuj: when everything came back up my :80 was totaly dead and i first blamed my isp suddendly filtering my ports |
| [08:55:35] | clever: | my new linux router was under 230 days old |
| [08:55:37] | sndguru: | hnitsuj, sorry which que |
| [08:55:48] | clever: | the conf on the hdd was still pointing at the old gateway |
| [08:56:03] | clever: | so when it booted back up it defaulted to the wrong gateway |
| [08:56:07] | hnitsuj: | in english please |
| [08:56:12] | clever: | and was unable to reply to all my :80 packets |
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| [08:56:18] | hnitsuj: | filter show recording there 222 in one 126 in second and 300 something in thrid – makes NO sense |
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| [08:56:25] | hnitsuj: | ah fuck it |
| [08:56:25] | clever: | took a few hours to track down |
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| [08:56:49] | sndguru: | WELL thankz for your help |
| [08:57:04] | sndguru: | it was a good start |
| [08:57:54] | clever: | i didnt suspect the gateway conf and no1 else did either |
| [08:58:04] | Tanthrix: | Phew, looks like it's not me. |
| [08:59:16] | sndguru: | I know the database it fine |
| [08:59:27] | clever: | Tanthrix: OC3 seems 50% faster then my LAN lines... |
| [08:59:39] | clever: | theres no way id ever max that with 1 box |
| [08:59:56] | clever: | with my current lines to the router i dont think i could ever max that |
| [09:00:13] | clever: | the bottleneck would be the 100mbit between the switch and router |
| [09:00:31] | clever: | where all the 100mbit lines get merged into a single pipe |
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| [09:04:15] | Tanthrix: | clever: Hehehe, it'd be nice for sure. Would you mind pinging 72.14.207.99 for me and see if it times out at all? |
| [09:04:55] | clever: | 10% packet loss over 10 packets |
| [09:05:12] | Tanthrix: | Looks like I spent the past hour messing around for nothing. |
| [09:05:36] | clever: | sending a set of 50 |
| [09:05:44] | clever: | a few large gaps of nothing |
| [09:05:45] | Tanthrix: | I've had so many issues with my cable over the years that I *always* assume that it is a problem on my end that is the issue. |
| [09:05:56] | clever: | 50 packets transmitted, 27 received, 46% packet loss, time 49225ms |
| [09:05:56] | clever: | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 58.352/81.755/201.391/33.461 ms |
| [09:06:14] | Tanthrix: | Thanks, appreciate it. That settles it then, it's not an issue on my end. |
| [09:06:17] | Tanthrix: | Good for nothing Google! |
| [09:06:41] | clever: | lol |
| [09:06:51] | clever: | yeah i ping google alot for tests like this:P |
| [09:07:15] | clever: | when i dig google i get 64.233.167.99 .104 and .147 |
| [09:07:25] | clever: | try sending them a barage of pings |
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| [09:10:46] | sndguru: | mysqldump: Got error: 145: Table './mythconverg/record' is marked as crashed and should be repaired when using LOCK TABLES |
| [09:11:02] | sndguru: | anyone used myisamchk |
| [09:11:06] | sndguru: | ?? |
| [09:12:09] | sndguru: | oh no going again |
| [09:12:16] | sndguru: | /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg/ |
| [09:12:19] | sndguru: | .MYD |
| [09:12:21] | sndguru: | thankz |
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| [09:14:19] | noige: | greetings how do I delete 40 channels at once in the mythfrontend or mythtv-setup? |
| [09:15:28] | clever: | mythweb makes it alot easyer |
| [09:15:31] | sndguru: | mythweb site would be the fastest |
| [09:15:33] | sndguru: | :P |
| [09:15:50] | noige: | oh ok |
| [09:16:18] | clever: | you can just check 40 boxes under the delete column and punch update |
| [09:16:26] | sndguru: | just for the record 'mysqlcheck -u root -p mythconverg' got me some of the way |
| [09:16:44] | clever: | but the page itself takes 30 seconds or more at 100% cpu usage for firefox to render with 200 channels |
| [09:16:53] | clever: | so so so many input fields |
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| [09:19:02] | sndguru: | ok still confused anyone know mysql |
| [09:19:49] | noige: | what is the problem? |
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| [09:20:48] | sndguru: | it looks like my stupid copy of fedora 7 the is slow killing my hard drive has damaged my mythconverg database |
| [09:21:28] | sndguru: | noige, the above error |
| [09:21:47] | sndguru: | Got error 145 Table . . . . . . |
| [09:22:10] | noige: | what is the error message? |
| [09:22:19] | sndguru: | mysqldump: Got error: 145: Table './mythconverg/record' is marked as crashed and should be repaired when using LOCK TABLES |
| [09:22:46] | hnitsuj: | mysqlcheck mythconverg then |
| [09:22:48] | sndguru: | and when displaying my recording is says "Sorry, No recording available |
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| [09:23:07] | noige: | hmm |
| [09:23:09] | hnitsuj: | but the 'record' table is about the programmes to record, not what has been recorded |
| [09:23:14] | noige: | try to do a mysqlrepair |
| [09:23:20] | sndguru: | hnitsuj, you missed that bit ran that |
| [09:23:41] | sndguru: | and the guide is still good |
| [09:24:11] | sndguru: | I've run this mysqlcheck -u root -p mythconverg |
| [09:24:25] | sndguru: | and gave me a few "7 clients are using or haven't closed the table properly" |
| [09:24:55] | hnitsuj: | I'd only have missed it if I cared |
| [09:24:59] | sndguru: | mysqlrepair not on my system |
| [09:25:26] | sndguru: | hnitsuj, no asking you too, but you help in appresated |
| [09:26:01] | noige: | not mysqlcheck |
| [09:26:09] | sndguru: | i've got a backup of the database that is 7 days old, would prefer not to lose 7 days worth of recording |
| [09:26:13] | noige: | but an actual REPAIR TABLE query |
| [09:26:21] | sndguru: | oh ok |
| [09:26:34] | sndguru: | a very big mysql n00b |
| [09:26:35] | sndguru: | :P |
| [09:26:40] | noige: | I have a perl script that does it for me on my webhost |
| [09:26:42] | hnitsuj: | sndguru: sounds like you don't have any recordings to save anyway |
| [09:26:51] | noige: | but: REPAIR TABLE $table USE_FRM |
| [09:26:58] | noige: | would be the starting point |
| [09:27:24] | sndguru: | I have 443 recording |
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| [09:27:45] | noige: | sndguru: you will not lose it |
| [09:27:55] | sndguru: | good to know |
| [09:28:04] | sndguru: | thankz for your help noige |
| [09:28:07] | noige: | just run a repair table query on your tables and hope that it fixes it |
| [09:28:19] | noige: | np, that is why we are in this room, to help each other |
| [09:28:48] | sndguru: | mysql> REPAIR TABLE $table USE_FRM |
| [09:28:54] | sndguru: | then a ; |
| [09:28:55] | sndguru: | yes |
| [09:28:58] | noige: | you cannot use $table |
| [09:29:02] | sndguru: | :P |
| [09:29:04] | noige: | it has to be the table name |
| [09:29:10] | noige: | $table is a scalar in perl |
| [09:29:13] | sndguru: | hrmm ok |
| [09:29:15] | noige: | a variable |
| [09:29:19] | sndguru: | ok |
| [09:29:29] | noige: | so if you have a table called noige |
| [09:29:38] | noige: | but: REPAIR TABLE noige USE_FRM |
| [09:29:44] | sndguru: | i guess it's mythconverg |
| [09:29:50] | noige: | but make sure you need to use usefrm |
| [09:29:58] | noige: | it wont hurt if you use it |
| [09:30:19] | noige: | but you might be using innodb or one of the others |
| [09:30:25] | noige: | just try it |
| [09:30:48] | sndguru: | ERROR 1046 (3D000): No database selected not mythconverg :P |
| [09:31:25] | sndguru: | same with innodb |
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| [09:32:11] | sndguru: | the mysqlcheck showed me |
| [09:32:13] | sndguru: | mythconverg.inuseprograms |
| [09:32:15] | sndguru: | etc |
| [09:32:17] | noige: | wait wait |
| [09:32:20] | sndguru: | i guess it's that |
| [09:32:25] | noige: | you need to select the db first |
| [09:32:28] | noige: | so |
| [09:32:33] | noige: | USE $dbname; |
| [09:32:36] | sndguru: | true ok |
| [09:33:00] | noige: | why the fuck is my cartoon network coming up with disney shit? |
| [09:33:02] | noige: | wtf |
| [09:33:03] | noige: | lol |
| [09:33:09] | noige: | goddamn |
| [09:33:12] | sndguru: | Database changed |
| [09:33:15] | sndguru: | good work |
| [09:33:44] | sndguru: | REPAIR TABLE innodb USE_FRM; i guess this now |
| [09:34:11] | noige: | yup |
| [09:34:20] | noige: | not innodb |
| [09:34:26] | sndguru: | mythconverg.innodb | repair | error | Table 'mythconverg.innodb' doesn't exist |
| [09:34:29] | sndguru: | dolt |
| [09:34:30] | noige: | run SHOW TABLES; |
| [09:34:36] | sndguru: | ah |
| [09:34:37] | noige: | lol |
| [09:34:44] | noige: | you should learn mysql |
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| [09:35:18] | sndguru: | ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'run SHOW TABLES' at line 1 |
| [09:35:22] | sndguru: | dolt |
| [09:35:50] | sndguru: | LOL, theres a lot of things I'd like to learn |
| [09:36:02] | sndguru: | but normally I go from fault to fault LOL |
| [09:36:10] | sndguru: | work and home alike |
| [09:36:54] | sndguru: | lol run hehehehe |
| [09:37:16] | sndguru: | recorded would it be |
| [09:37:23] | noige: | SHOW TABLES; |
| [09:37:30] | sndguru: | yep big list |
| [09:37:35] | noige: | ahh ok |
| [09:37:41] | noige: | I will give you a perl script then |
| [09:37:46] | sndguru: | 84 rows |
| [09:38:10] | noige: | ok |
| [09:38:13] | noige: | for each row |
| [09:38:21] | noige: | run that REPAIR blah blah line |
| [09:38:32] | sndguru: | EACH ROW!!! |
| [09:38:33] | sndguru: | lol |
| [09:38:35] | sndguru: | ok |
| [09:39:03] | sndguru: | hrmm might be worth a script then lol |
| [09:40:05] | hnitsuj: | select * from recorded; |
| [09:40:14] | hnitsuj: | see if it's got anything in there |
| [09:40:22] | noige: | is recorded the only one that is throwing errors? |
| [09:40:31] | sndguru: | the repair picked 15rows |
| [09:40:44] | noige: | run it on each table |
| [09:40:45] | sndguru: | | mythconverg.recorded | repair | info | Found block that points outside data file at 174008 | |
| [09:40:52] | sndguru: | few of these |
| [09:40:59] | noige: | do you guys want the perl script? |
| [09:41:14] | hnitsuj: | did you run out of space on the partition where the db lives or something? |
| [09:41:34] | noige: | did you shut down the machine while a write was hapening? |
| [09:41:37] | sndguru: | /dev/sda2 45G 6.8G 36G 17% / |
| [09:41:38] | sndguru: | /dev/sda1 99M 17M 77M 18% /boot |
| [09:41:38] | sndguru: | tmpfs 760M 0 760M 0% /dev/shm |
| [09:41:38] | sndguru: | /dev/sdd3 292G 167G 111G 61% /media/neo |
| [09:41:38] | sndguru: | /dev/sde1 230G 138G 81G 63% /media/trinity |
| [09:41:38] | sndguru: | /dev/sdf1 230G 27G 192G 13% /media/morpheus |
| [09:41:40] | sndguru: | /dev/sda3 407G 316G 71G 82% /media/switch |
| [09:41:42] | sndguru: | /dev/sdb1 917G 38G 833G 5% /media/apoc |
| [09:41:42] | hnitsuj: | maybe your weekly backup regime needs to become a _nightly_ regime :P |
| [09:41:44] | sndguru: | /dev/sdc1 917G 553G 319G 64% /media/mouse |
| [09:41:46] | sndguru: | no |
| [09:41:48] | hnitsuj: | pastbin, retard |
| [09:41:54] | sndguru: | i'm agreeing with you there |
| [09:41:58] | sndguru: | LOL |
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| [09:43:48] | noige: | fix your tables |
| [09:44:05] | sndguru: | up to c |
| [09:44:06] | sndguru: | :P |
| [09:44:38] | sndguru: | if i was on my dual screen windows machine i'd be done by now |
| [09:44:52] | noige: | yeah |
| [09:45:02] | noige: | you would be finished reformatting and reinstalling |
| [09:45:26] | sndguru: | what is the shortcuts keys for copy paste |
| [09:45:33] | noige: | ctl-c |
| [09:45:36] | sndguru: | crtl alt insert or sometinhg |
| [09:45:37] | noige: | copy |
| [09:45:47] | noige: | shift-ins paste or ctl-v |
| [09:45:54] | sndguru: | nope not working in terminal |
| [09:46:02] | noige: | shift-insert |
| [09:46:04] | noige: | or |
| [09:46:08] | noige: | middle mouse |
| [09:46:09] | noige: | lirc_init failed for mythtv, see preceding messages |
| [09:46:15] | noige: | paste |
| [09:47:03] | sndguru: | shift-ins's is cool |
| [09:47:09] | sndguru: | i'll remember that |
| [09:47:25] | noige: | it typically works across the board also |
| [09:47:48] | noige: | it works in freebsd, beos and about every other *nix *next I have used |
| [09:47:52] | sndguru: | that's quicker |
| [09:48:10] | clever: | i sometimes needed a key for middle click |
| [09:48:21] | clever: | because the left on my laptop was damaged |
| [09:48:29] | clever: | making it imposible to left and right at once |
| [09:48:55] | clever: | i was getting arround that with a usb mouse |
| [09:49:03] | noige: | anyone experience channels being mixed up? By that I mean shows showing as being on channel X when they are actually on Y |
| [09:49:10] | clever: | but im not even using that laptop anymore |
| [09:49:52] | sndguru: | noige, can't say i've heard of that one |
| [09:50:03] | sndguru: | it's not just the guide data that is wrong |
| [09:50:21] | sndguru: | the wrng wrong channel? |
| [09:50:34] | sndguru: | digital channels? |
| [09:50:42] | noige: | guide data is wrong |
| [09:50:46] | noige: | absolutely |
| [09:50:55] | noige: | but my schedules direct shit is corect |
| [09:51:04] | noige: | thos eables fixed yet? |
| [09:51:08] | noige: | tables* |
| [09:51:15] | sndguru: | up to g |
| [09:51:17] | sndguru: | :P |
| [09:51:25] | noige: | go go go |
| [09:51:36] | clever: | he hasnt reacted o yet:P |
| [09:52:31] | sndguru: | reacted to what? |
| [09:52:43] | clever: | reached |
| [09:52:57] | noige: | http://pastebin.ca/931718 – here is a perl script to do it for you |
| [09:53:01] | clever: | ive been up all night so my spelling/typing isnt that good:P |
| [09:53:14] | sndguru: | nice thankz i'll be getting that |
| [09:53:16] | noige: | but it works per table |
| [09:53:27] | sndguru: | so what is the USE_FRM bit |
| [09:53:30] | noige: | so foreach table you will have to change the table name |
| [09:53:47] | noige: | it is a database key type |
| [09:54:59] | noige: | it is like an index |
| [09:55:26] | noige: | you use USE_FRM when the myi index is missing |
| [09:55:38] | noige: | actually one sec |
| [09:55:43] | noige: | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/repair-table.html |
| [09:55:46] | clever: | just open mysql.com! |
| [09:55:47] | noige: | there you go |
| [09:55:47] | clever: | :P |
| [09:55:53] | sndguru: | it's funny had to recover public folder today too in exchange |
| [09:56:05] | noige: | you are a windows guy |
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| [09:56:14] | noige: | I hate active directoey |
| [09:56:19] | sndguru: | oh that's for work |
| [09:56:26] | ** noige is a system administrator ** | |
| [09:56:30] | sndguru: | it's got it's good bits |
| [09:56:35] | sndguru: | then it's bad |
| [09:56:55] | sndguru: | ditto a 6month rookie now |
| [09:57:05] | sndguru: | got a good teacher thou |
| [09:57:13] | sndguru: | a good mate of mine that got me the job |
| [09:57:23] | noige: | how do I fix this channel data problem? |
| [09:57:26] | noige: | this annoys me |
| [09:57:48] | sndguru: | so is it a digital card |
| [09:57:54] | sndguru: | mutliple?? |
| [09:58:34] | sndguru: | like have you two cards/tuners is it the same with both |
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| [09:58:54] | noige: | I only have one tuner |
| [09:59:02] | sndguru: | digital? |
| [09:59:07] | noige: | I am running a mythfilldatabase |
| [09:59:19] | noige: | yeah I am on digital cable but with an analog card |
| [09:59:47] | sndguru: | oh so it is guide data not matching up? |
| [09:59:47] | clever: | digital->svideo->pvr150 here |
| [10:00:10] | sndguru: | oh then a remote channel changer |
| [10:00:25] | noige: | I have a pvr150 too |
| [10:00:33] | clever: | yep ir blaster here too, cant get the serial control of the dct2000 to work |
| [10:01:02] | sndguru: | i never dothered with that |
| [10:01:16] | sndguru: | two digital tuners and then download the rest |
| [10:01:27] | sndguru: | cable tv sucks in australia |
| [10:01:29] | clever: | im not made of money:P |
| [10:01:37] | clever: | i dont even have a job |
| [10:01:50] | sndguru: | that's what my wife keeps saying LOL |
| [10:01:56] | sndguru: | but she loves the system |
| [10:01:58] | clever: | my only source of 'income' is from emptying the garbage cans every week for dad |
| [10:02:10] | sndguru: | LOL |
| [10:02:22] | clever: | and the only reason ive been doing it lately is to finish paying off the 100$ hdd we got |
| [10:02:28] | sndguru: | it must pay well then for you to be building a myth system |
| [10:02:30] | clever: | 250g |
| [10:02:45] | sndguru: | did you see my df -h |
| [10:02:45] | clever: | the tower and stuff i allready had |
| [10:02:54] | clever: | the pvr150 i got for xmas |
| [10:03:05] | clever: | was using a bt848 i got from my uncle for free |
| [10:03:27] | clever: | the only thing ive actualy had to buy for myth so far is the hdd ir led and sched direct |
| [10:03:41] | clever: | technicaly dad payed for the pvr150 |
| [10:05:12] | sndguru: | just done oldrecorded now dinner time |
| [10:05:13] | sndguru: | brb |
| [10:05:23] | sndguru: | what do i do after |
| [10:05:28] | clever: | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| [10:05:29] | clever: | /dev/mapper/mainvg-mainlv |
| [10:05:29] | clever: | 389G 375G 14G 97% /media/mainlv |
| [10:05:29] | sndguru: | change are straight away |
| [10:05:43] | clever: | myth isnt using the others(which are alot more in number) |
| [10:05:50] | sndguru: | restart mythbackend or mysqld |
| [10:05:52] | sndguru: | ? |
| [10:06:12] | clever: | mysqld knows of the changes it did to its own files |
| [10:06:14] | sndguru: | i love how myth just fills the hard drive |
| [10:06:19] | noige: | probably just restart the backend |
| [10:06:19] | clever: | but mythbackend might be confused from the querys failing |
| [10:06:28] | sndguru: | wicked |
| [10:06:40] | sndguru: | i'll eat dinner and come back that's heaps guys |
| [10:06:48] | noige: | try it first |
| [10:06:49] | sndguru: | thankz heaps |
| [10:06:59] | noige: | it will take 5 seconds |
| [10:07:17] | sndguru: | ain't finish the database yet |
| [10:07:23] | noige: | man this channel data shit is for the birds |
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| [10:07:39] | Davo_Dinkum: | is there a user group in melbourne? |
| [10:08:32] | noige: | ask sndguru he is an aussie |
| [10:09:26] | Davo_Dinkum: | sndguru: you in melb? |
| [10:11:42] | clever: | sndguru has the ip 202.61.168.243 which seems to be in PERTH |
| [10:11:49] | clever: | acording to http://www.ip2location.com/demo.aspx |
| [10:12:13] | clever: | WESTERN AUSTRALIA |
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| [10:12:43] | Davo_Dinkum: | ah ok |
| [10:13:15] | clever: | but the site is known to be off a fair distance |
| [10:13:27] | clever: | it names be as being about 3 hours south of here |
| [10:13:40] | clever: | but its still within the province |
| [10:17:40] | sndguru: | Davo_Dinkum, sorry was eating dinner |
| [10:17:45] | sndguru: | perth is me |
| [10:18:24] | Davo_Dinkum: | oh np |
| [10:18:31] | Davo_Dinkum: | you can eat dinner :D |
| [10:19:00] | sndguru: | too busy trying to fix my myth database |
| [10:19:06] | sndguru: | but happy to help |
| [10:19:12] | Davo_Dinkum: | wait i already know a guy in melb with a mythtv box. ill just ask him |
| [10:19:13] | ** Davo_Dinkum slaps himself ** | |
| [10:19:18] | sndguru: | when helped you need to help back i believe |
| [10:19:29] | sndguru: | :P |
| [10:19:34] | sndguru: | your here though |
| [10:19:36] | Davo_Dinkum: | :p |
| [10:19:37] | sndguru: | what is it |
| [10:19:44] | Davo_Dinkum: | 21:07 < Davo_Dinkum> is there a user group in melbourne? |
| [10:20:28] | sndguru: | saw that why? |
| [10:20:52] | Davo_Dinkum: | just wondering about local group(s) |
| [10:21:31] | Davo_Dinkum: | going to meetings and such |
| [10:22:28] | Davo_Dinkum: | im thinking of building a box |
| [10:22:40] | sndguru: | all i can say is do it |
| [10:22:44] | Davo_Dinkum: | lol k |
| [10:23:00] | Davo_Dinkum: | ive decided to have front and backend on the same box as it will be less trouble |
| [10:23:13] | sndguru: | i'd only had limited knowledge of linux when I started |
| [10:23:21] | sndguru: | and I've learnt so much |
| [10:23:30] | sndguru: | then the case of no ad's |
| [10:23:40] | sndguru: | well ALL my friends hate me |
| [10:23:41] | sndguru: | :P |
| [10:23:47] | sndguru: | the only problem we have here |
| [10:24:17] | sndguru: | is having to run are recording more than 25 minutes over to catch the end of our shows at prime time |
| [10:24:38] | Davo_Dinkum: | "are"? |
| [10:24:45] | sndguru: | then it strews the next recordings up |
| [10:25:00] | sndguru: | are = australia, perth |
| [10:25:20] | Davo_Dinkum: | erm what are you trying to say? |
| [10:25:23] | sndguru: | the rest of the world runs runs perfectly |
| [10:25:55] | sndguru: | ie house runs from 7.30 til 8.42 |
| [10:26:01] | Davo_Dinkum: | oh right |
| [10:26:21] | hnitsuj: | aussie schedules are very free & easy :P |
| [10:26:32] | hnitsuj: | House, next Tuesday night.. whenever |
| [10:26:41] | sndguru: | we are the only country that has stupid tv networks |
| [10:26:47] | hnitsuj: | you reckon? |
| [10:26:57] | sndguru: | yep 101% |
| [10:27:00] | Davo_Dinkum: | just stop watching tv :D |
| [10:27:10] | sndguru: | d/l everything i do |
| [10:27:14] | sndguru: | my wife doesn't |
| [10:27:48] | Davo_Dinkum: | write a torrent plugin for mythtv :D |
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| [10:28:26] | sndguru: | nearly as good |
| [10:28:29] | sndguru: | torrentflux |
| [10:28:34] | sndguru: | check it out |
| [10:28:47] | camelreef: | good morning from Scotland |
| [10:28:52] | hnitsuj: | ahhh illegals illegals illegals |
| [10:29:14] | Davo_Dinkum: | im downloading elephant's dream i swear |
| [10:29:21] | sndguru: | morning scotland from perth |
| [10:29:30] | hnitsuj: | emo emo emo. what shite film we made |
| [10:29:34] | camelreef: | Aberdeen here |
| [10:29:40] | Davo_Dinkum: | hnitsuj: hmm? |
| [10:29:47] | camelreef: | small question |
| [10:29:51] | hnitsuj: | elephant's dream was bollocks |
| [10:30:01] | camelreef: | I have a system with DVB-T and DVB-S |
| [10:30:09] | camelreef: | DVB-S is on Hotbird 13E |
| [10:30:22] | camelreef: | I have a few channels setup |
| [10:30:29] | camelreef: | and most of them work OK |
| [10:30:35] | camelreef: | except Euronews |
| [10:30:43] | camelreef: | I have the picture, but no sound |
| [10:30:44] | Davo_Dinkum: | sndguru: what about deluge? that has a web interface |
| [10:30:54] | camelreef: | here is the catch |
| [10:31:18] | sndguru: | YAY! done I didn't realise there was so many databases in myth |
| [10:31:37] | camelreef: | no sound on the FE that has an S/PDIF connection. On another laptop FE using the on-board sound, all is fine |
| [10:31:39] | sndguru: | oh torrentflux is a php website for torrent |
| [10:32:24] | camelreef: | I suspect that the Euronews sound itself has issues and that my amp refuses to decode it |
| [10:32:32] | camelreef: | anyone got the same behaviour? |
| [10:32:35] | hnitsuj: | is there so little tv worth watching in scotland you need to resort to euronews?! |
| [10:32:38] | sndguru: | noige, YOU ARE THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| [10:32:45] | Davo_Dinkum: | yeah it's for bittornado |
| [10:32:46] | sndguru: | noige, worked |
| [10:33:06] | camelreef: | well, I'm French, and I was looking for channels in my own language |
| [10:33:06] | hnitsuj: | sndguru: take way better care of your database in future |
| [10:33:24] | sndguru: | only missed the news not bad |
| [10:33:33] | hnitsuj: | french living in scotland? nightmare! ever want to go back to civilisation? ;) |
| [10:33:49] | camelreef: | details on my system and setup here: http://www.youplala.net/linux/home-theater-pc |
| [10:33:49] | sndguru: | hnitsuj, think my backup script will be changed from monthly to daily |
| [10:33:51] | sndguru: | :P |
| [10:34:20] | camelreef: | other than Euronews, sound output on S/PDIF is working great |
| [10:34:22] | Davo_Dinkum: | you need to back up that often? |
| [10:34:39] | sndguru: | it's may Fedora 7 system in seams to be writing to me hard drive wrong |
| [10:34:56] | hnitsuj: | Davo_Dinkum: if you make recordings every day, then back up every day |
| [10:35:05] | sndguru: | I updated the bios chip on my sata card to make my 1TB drives work |
| [10:35:05] | Davo_Dinkum: | k |
| [10:35:14] | sndguru: | and everything writing wrong now |
| [10:35:39] | Davo_Dinkum: | i blame fedora cos, it's fedora |
| [10:35:53] | sndguru: | Davo_Dinkum, I've been running myth for 3 years |
| [10:35:55] | ** hnitsuj blames ubuntu ** | |
| [10:36:01] | sndguru: | and never backup |
| [10:36:03] | sndguru: | at all |
| [10:36:11] | sndguru: | had one last year |
| [10:36:16] | sndguru: | and last week |
| [10:36:21] | sndguru: | then this happened |
| [10:36:22] | sndguru: | :P |
| [10:36:29] | Davo_Dinkum: | you've only started backing up recently? |
| [10:36:34] | hnitsuj: | I run db backups every day at about 6am. only ever needed to rescue the db once but boy did I need to |
| [10:36:42] | directhex|work: | camelreef, are there multiple audio streams on the channel? try switching |
| [10:36:52] | sndguru: | been planning on writting a script to backup and email it to my gmail account that I don't use |
| [10:37:22] | sndguru: | but havn't figured the attachment bit with mutt and the email server send thing |
| [10:37:24] | hnitsuj: | sndguru: backups of the db don't take up much room compared to recordings |
| [10:37:26] | camelreef: | directhex|bsp, I did, same on all streams using digital out, works great on the laptop without digital out, and same OS |
| [10:37:32] | sndguru: | bit by bit |
| [10:37:41] | sndguru: | i saw that 15meg |
| [10:37:55] | sndguru: | so maybe backup daily and email monthly |
| [10:38:23] | camelreef: | directhex|work, I did, same on all streams using digital out, works great on the laptop without digital out, and same OS |
| [10:38:32] | hnitsuj: | I keep the backups on the same partition as recordings |
| [10:38:45] | hnitsuj: | if I lose recordings, no effing point keeping the db! |
| [10:39:07] | camelreef: | this is why I'm suspecting weird audio streams from the sat, nothing that MythTV can do about it, but I wanted to confirm with someone with the same experience |
| [10:39:30] | sndguru: | LOL this is true, EXCEPT the database on what you have watched |
| [10:39:44] | sndguru: | so it doesn't record the same ep again |
| [10:39:45] | hnitsuj: | sndguru: not arsed about that |
| [10:39:57] | hnitsuj: | duplicate matching never works right on UK epg data anyway |
| [10:40:20] | hnitsuj: | the EPG monkeys are always changing stuff |
| [10:40:26] | camelreef: | hnitsuj, duplicate works, but you have to select carefully wether you do it on titles or description |
| [10:40:29] | sndguru: | half agree, now that I've been running if for 3 years it's beginning to be a good thing |
| [10:40:49] | hnitsuj: | hell, title, subtitle & description can all be different for a show repeated on the +1 hour version of a channel! |
| [10:41:05] | camelreef: | true |
| [10:41:05] | sndguru: | this year I've decided to buy the data |
| [10:41:16] | camelreef: | who from ? |
| [10:41:19] | sndguru: | feed up with the problems of data scraping |
| [10:41:40] | sndguru: | i'm icetv |
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| [10:42:15] | hnitsuj: | anyway I tend to clear out oldrecorded from time to time so it doesn't get too big |
| [10:42:46] | sndguru: | hnitsuj, how do you get your srcipt to change the file name |
| [10:42:58] | sndguru: | of the save database |
| [10:44:07] | hnitsuj: | effed if I know |
| [10:44:15] | hnitsuj: | I use automysqlbackup.sh |
| [10:44:28] | clever: | ive made a new table in my db and patched mythfilldb |
| [10:44:46] | clever: | so it saves all title/subtitle/others into a single place |
| [10:44:49] | hnitsuj: | and I've drawn a picture of a horse with wheels on it |
| [10:45:09] | clever: | which lets me view a list of subtitles for a certain title with a single query |
| [10:45:11] | sndguru: | hnitsuj, first I heard of that lookies now |
| [10:45:29] | clever: | my plan was to be able to pick a subtitle and stamp it on a recording whcih lacks any details |
| [10:45:33] | clever: | to fix it up |
| [10:45:54] | clever: | but every1 seemed to hate the idea of even thinking of adding a table:P |
| [10:46:14] | hnitsuj: | clever: it's not that. it's mroe about you retaining EPG data you're not entitled to do! |
| [10:46:15] | clever: | and the fact that its ever growing like oldrecorded |
| [10:46:29] | clever: | depends on which source im using:P |
| [10:46:43] | hnitsuj: | and besides that it's YOUR idea :P |
| [10:46:52] | clever: | only 29k records |
| [10:47:04] | clever: | yeah but i have no idea where to start next |
| [10:47:18] | clever: | to add the stamping of this data ontop of recordings within the frontend |
| [10:48:17] | clever: | | title | subtitle | originalairdate | |
| [10:48:17] | clever: | +----------------+----------+-----------------+ |
| [10:48:17] | clever: | | That '70s Show | Fun It | 2005-12–14 | |
| [10:48:22] | hnitsuj: | modify playbackbox.cpp |
| [10:48:43] | clever: | i basicaly want to be able to slap those values(and a few other columns) onto a recording which lacks any details |
| [10:48:55] | sndguru: | well now make to making hold music work in asterisk |
| [10:48:59] | clever: | and have the frontend give me a good ui to search thru these 29k rows |
| [10:49:02] | sndguru: | thankyou everyone for there help |
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| [10:49:32] | clever: | it should start with the same title but still leave te option to change the title too |
| [10:50:08] | clever: | hnitsuj: i still have no idea how to produce the listing and everything else, not an expert at myth code yet |
| [10:56:13] | hnitsuj: | don't think anywhere near enough users are anal enough about tv show details, let alone any who want to archive everything they ever fucking record |
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| [11:06:07] | clever: | this is archiving the info on shows ive never even heard of |
| [11:06:24] | clever: | its saving every uniq entry in the entire program table every time a mythfilldb finishes |
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| [11:06:58] | clever: | and i sort my shows by originalairdate which i cant fix from the frontend |
| [11:07:11] | clever: | so simply fixing the subtitle thru the ui wont make everything correc |
| [11:07:12] | clever: | t |
| [11:07:51] | clever: | i was manualy fetching the data off wikipedia and then updating it in mysql manualy |
| [11:08:17] | clever: | hnitsuj: also isnt the oldrecorded table 'retaining EPG data you're not entitled to do!'? |
| [11:08:37] | clever: | and recorded for that matter! |
| [11:09:11] | clever: | and my brain has several mb of the data too |
| [11:09:16] | clever: | wheres the power drill |
| [11:10:58] | Davo_Dinkum: | didnt know you were a dentist |
| [11:17:34] | clever: | lol |
| [11:18:05] | clever: | im refering to drilling a hole in my head so tms can have there data back:P |
| [11:19:31] | Davo_Dinkum: | dentists drill holes in heads :p |
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| [11:23:28] | clever_: | 07 07:10:58< Davo_Dinkum> didnt know you were a dentist |
| [11:23:30] | clever_: | 07 07:17:32< clever> lol |
| [11:23:32] | clever_: | 07 07:18:04< clever> im refering to drilling a hole in my head so tms can have there data back:P |
| [11:23:56] | Davo_Dinkum: | 22:18 < clever> im refering to drilling a hole in my head so tms can have there data back:P |
| [11:23:59] | Davo_Dinkum: | 22:19 < Davo_Dinkum> dentists drill holes in heads :p |
| [11:24:01] | Davo_Dinkum: | missed a line? |
| [11:24:16] | clever_: | dsl went boom |
| [11:24:35] | Davo_Dinkum: | you mean "bam-bam!" |
| [11:24:41] | Davo_Dinkum: | when you backup, is it just the database or do you backup the recorded shows as well? |
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| [12:01:14] | nobody88: | 2008-03–07 13:00:31.695 Using runtime prefix = /usr |
| [12:01:14] | nobody88: | 2008-03–07 13:00:31.716 New DB connection, total: 1 |
| [12:01:14] | nobody88: | 2008-03–07 13:00:31.724 Enabled verbose msgs: important |
| [12:01:14] | nobody88: | 2008-03–07 13:00:31.727 New DB connection, total: 2 |
| [12:01:14] | nobody88: | 2008-03–07 13:00:31.759 Using protocol version 31 |
| [12:01:15] | nobody88: | [mpegts @ 0xcc3b50]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94211 ! |
| [12:01:17] | nobody88: | 0: start_time: 0.000 duration: 313.278 |
| [12:01:19] | nobody88: | 1: start_time: 0.000 duration: 313.278 |
| [12:01:21] | nobody88: | 2: start_time: 0.000 duration: 313.278 |
| [12:01:23] | nobody88: | 3: start_time: 0.000 duration: 313.278 |
| [12:01:26] | nobody88: | 4: start_time: 0.000 duration: 313.278 |
| [12:01:27] | nobody88: | stream: start_time: 0.000 duration: 3480.868 bitrate=9289 kb/s |
| [12:01:29] | nobody88: | 2008-03–07 13:00:31.952 NVP: Disabling Audio, params(0,0,0) |
| [12:01:31] | nobody88: | 2008-03–07 13:00:32.229 NVP: Disabling Audio, params(0,0,0) |
| [12:01:33] | nobody88: | [mpeg2video @ 0x22f63a0]slice mismatch |
| [12:01:35] | nobody88: | [mpeg2video @ 0x22f63a0]mb incr damaged |
| [12:01:36] | anykey_: | oh c'mon |
| [12:01:37] | nobody88: | [mpeg2video @ 0x22f63a0]ac-tex damaged at 0 32 |
| [12:01:39] | nobody88: | [mpeg2video @ 0x22f63a0]ac-tex damaged at 0 33 |
| [12:01:41] | nobody88: | [mpeg2video @ 0x22f63a0]ac-tex damaged at 0 34 |
| [12:01:43] | nobody88: | [mpeg2video @ 0x22f63a0]ac-tex damaged at 0 35 |
| [12:01:45] | nobody88: | Speicherzugriffsfehler |
| [12:01:47] | nobody88: | anybody an idea what that could be? |
| [12:02:03] | Davo_Dinkum: | Please use a pastebin. |
| [12:02:13] | nobody88: | it comes if I use mythtranscode |
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| [12:12:35] | nobody88: | http://pastebin.com/df7abe7a |
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| [12:18:31] | nobody88: | anybody an idea? |
| [12:19:34] | Davo_Dinkum: | do PCI tuners have any advantage over USB ones? |
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| [12:27:37] | Dibblah: | Speicherzugriffsfehler – Translation? |
| [12:28:44] | Dibblah: | Oh, right. |
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| [12:32:07] | Dibblah: | nobody88: Compile a debug version and get a backtrace (see the documentation) |
| [12:34:28] | nobody88: | translation is segmentation fault |
| [12:35:12] | Dibblah: | Yes, I saw from the pastebin. |
| [12:35:15] | Dibblah: | As above. |
| [12:35:19] | nobody88: | :) |
| [12:35:27] | Dibblah: | Get a backtrace. |
| [12:35:34] | nobody88: | hmm |
| [12:36:00] | nobody88: | I installed mythtv from rpm, do I really have to compile from source now? |
| [12:36:00] | Dibblah: | Looks to me like a slightly corrupted file / possibly mythtranscode doesn't cope too well with streams that don't start on an I-frame. |
| [12:36:12] | Dibblah: | Find a debug rpm. |
| [12:36:27] | nobody88: | i will search |
| [12:40:02] | hnitsuj: | Davo_Dinkum: of course pci tuners have advantages over usb ones. usb ones are shite |
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| [12:48:12] | tjcarter: | hnitsuj: the Hauppauge USB one will be interesting |
| [12:48:38] | tjcarter: | Component video -> AVC |
| [12:48:44] | ** AcTiVaTe so far has no probs with his em28xx USB device ** | |
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| [12:55:13] | Davo_Dinkum: | hnitsuj: could you be more specific as to why they are "shite"? |
| [12:56:49] | DGnome: | Davo_Dinkum: usb disconnects sucks |
| [12:57:00] | DGnome: | Davo_Dinkum: som are only usb1.1 |
| [12:57:14] | DGnome: | Davo_Dinkum: usb-dongles suck |
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| [12:59:12] | hnitsuj: | it's difficult to put a robust aerial connector on a tiny little pcb housed in a tiny little box |
| [12:59:27] | hnitsuj: | reliability would be my primary concern |
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| [13:01:21] | clever_: | have a 6inch tail leaving the box and soldered to the pcb |
| [13:01:25] | clever_: | with a plug at the end |
| [13:01:40] | clever_: | and tie/glue it to the box to handle stress |
| [13:01:45] | hnitsuj: | a good few usb tuners have problems being plugged in at boot time too |
| [13:02:00] | hnitsuj: | clever_: ffs. get a pci card – way less hassle |
| [13:02:04] | clever_: | my usb hdd enclosure has that problem too |
| [13:02:13] | clever_: | hnitsuj: pci tuners wont fit laptops |
| [13:02:13] | hnitsuj: | YOURS would! |
| [13:02:25] | hnitsuj: | clever_: who gives a shit about laptops? |
| [13:02:49] | clever_: | those who may want to take a mac book air and use it as a all in 1 mythtv box |
| [13:02:57] | clever_: | have you seen how f*cking thin those are! |
| [13:03:11] | hnitsuj: | couldn't care less tbh |
| [13:03:30] | DGnome: | dude |
| [13:03:30] | clever_: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Air |
| [13:03:35] | DGnome: | clever_: |
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| [13:03:45] | clever: | yes? |
| [13:03:47] | DGnome: | noone cares how thin they are when the pricetag is 2kEUR |
| [13:03:54] | clever: | lol |
| [13:03:55] | DGnome: | and usability sucks |
| [13:04:09] | clever: | yeah that is a bit expensive |
| [13:04:27] | DGnome: | too few I/O ports |
| [13:04:27] | tjcarter: | clever: they're thinner and cheaper than a Sony TZ though |
| [13:04:32] | tjcarter: | so if you're in the market for a Sony TZ... |
| [13:04:47] | tjcarter: | Most people are NOT in the market for a Sony TZ |
| [13:04:47] | clever: | i was just using the air as a example:P |
| [13:04:57] | ** tjcarter is in the market for a Sony TZ ** | |
| [13:05:00] | clever: | i have a old dell laptop which i got for free basicaly |
| [13:05:02] | clever: | 700mhz/1ghz |
| [13:05:10] | tjcarter: | airbook is nice for me, then. |
| [13:05:12] | clever: | lcd is damaged |
| [13:05:33] | clever: | trivial to shove in a usb tuner and tvout cord and use it as a back+front end |
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| [13:05:57] | clever: | except the ati tvout is unstable and i dont need a combined front/back end |
| [13:06:15] | hnitsuj: | yeah trivial apart from it won't be any use whatsoever :P |
| [13:06:31] | clever: | it would be usefull if i had a non pci tuner |
| [13:06:39] | clever: | and wanted a extra small+silent frontend |
| [13:07:40] | clever: | if i had a usb ir receiver and the tvout was better i might actualy use it |
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| [13:07:45] | hnitsuj: | didn't take long for me to start getting annoyed by this channel again did it |
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| [13:08:12] | clever: | but i need the pvr150 for the ir receiver so that forces me to use the whole loud desktop |
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| [13:11:16] | HEP85: | What are the minimum hard disk requirements for mythtv? In the documentation only DMA is mentioned, but not the minimum MB/s |
| [13:11:44] | clever: | depends on the bitrate of the video you plan to play |
| [13:11:53] | clever: | and how many files you may be reading at once |
| [13:12:30] | clever: | you can easily be reading 2 and writing 1 file at the same time |
| [13:13:12] | HEP85: | ok. writing 1, reading 1, mpeg-2 sdtv |
| [13:13:27] | clever: | playing 1 file |
| [13:13:45] | clever: | commflaging 1 file(could go faster then normal bitrate) |
| [13:13:47] | clever: | and recording 1 |
| [13:15:55] | clever: | with my fully customized layout i can be commflaging 5 files while recording and playing 1 |
| [13:16:00] | clever: | 6 going at once |
| [13:16:38] | Davo_Dinkum: | 23:56 < DGnome> Davo_Dinkum: usb disconnects sucks |
| [13:16:39] | clever: | 12 at once if im transcoding! |
| [13:16:42] | Davo_Dinkum: | DGnome: what if it was left plugged in all the time? |
| [13:17:08] | HEP85: | is udma-2 mode enough for livetv? |
| [13:17:47] | clever: | 9.5 gig/hour passing in+out of the drive if i leave things full tilt |
| [13:19:52] | Davo_Dinkum: | clever: let's say im recording 2 hd streams and an sd stream, what hard drive bandwidth would that need? |
| [13:20:15] | clever: | dont know how much an hd would use |
| [13:20:25] | clever: | and the sd stream usage depends on your recording profile setup |
| [13:20:42] | clever: | my framegrabber and pvr150 can output a range of bitrates |
| [13:21:27] | Davo_Dinkum: | will PATA be ok? |
| [13:22:12] | clever: | im using pata with horid fragmentation across 4 seperate drives with little problem |
| [13:22:36] | Davo_Dinkum: | ill probably just have 1 hard drive |
| [13:22:44] | clever: | was playing 6 files at once before without any trouble |
| [13:22:47] | Davo_Dinkum: | i dont need much storage |
| [13:22:53] | clever: | i set every single frontend i have in motion at once |
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| [13:27:40] | DGnome: | Davo_Dinkum: it may disconnect a beautiful day and ruin your day |
| [13:28:38] | Davo_Dinkum: | wtf? |
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| [13:28:55] | Davo_Dinkum: | disconnect a beautiful day? |
| [13:29:11] | directhex|work: | pata? how quaint ^_^ |
| [13:29:46] | Davo_Dinkum: | hey if pata works then ill use pata |
| [13:31:37] | DGnome: | I'd not use pata |
| [13:32:19] | DGnome: | pata may fuck stuff up if you have multiple devices on a channel |
| [13:32:48] | Davo_Dinkum: | nah itll just be a single hard drive |
| [13:32:51] | clever: | ive never had any data damage with pata and using all 4 positions(both on both channels) |
| [13:33:32] | clever: | i have noticed some single bit errors(one bit in a 170mb file is wrong) but thats after passing thru ethernet 3 hdd's and nfs and samba |
| [13:33:35] | clever: | several times |
| [13:33:55] | clever: | cant exactly tell where the single bit error came from |
| [13:36:56] | directhex|work: | you shouldn't get data corruption on pata, if your cables are decent |
| [13:37:08] | directhex|work: | but that risk of bad cabling is much higher, of course |
| [13:37:40] | Davo_Dinkum: | how can you check if an ide cable is faulty? |
| [13:38:03] | clever: | a badblock's scan would probly do |
| [13:38:22] | clever: | slow but functional |
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| [14:00:32] | _DustyBin: | directhex|work: do you bosses my mind you spending time on irc at work? |
| [14:00:35] | _DustyBin: | your |
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| [14:01:48] | directhex|work: | DustyBin, as long as work happens, who cares? |
| [14:02:29] | DustyBin: | directhex|work: if theres no work you should be sweeping the office, cleaning, helping another department out |
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| [14:02:59] | GreyFoxx: | Who says he's not doing multiple things in parallel ? |
| [14:03:11] | directhex|work: | symmetric multifoxx |
| [14:03:33] | GreyFoxx: | I'm currently IRCing, installing a new server in one xterm, watching a compile in another and writing some new monitoring tools in another |
| [14:03:47] | GreyFoxx: | As long as my stuff gets done noone cares |
| [14:03:54] | directhex|work: | i'm dumping an ISO from a cd |
| [14:04:03] | GreyFoxx: | if my work was not being done in atimely fashion then I could see them biching |
| [14:04:07] | DustyBin: | "Intelligence is the ability to avoid doing work, yet getting the work done." – Linus Torvalds |
| [14:04:08] | directhex|work: | i will then scp it to our facility at the science park, and instal it, whilst praying it doesn't hate me |
| [14:05:08] | DustyBin: | everyone in here works in I.T. |
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| [14:05:44] | DustyBin: | do you enjoy working in I.T.? |
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| [14:15:38] | hashbang_: | DGnome: PATA *should* be fine with master and slave devices on a single channel, these days. Back in the day, the CMD640 and a few other PATA chipsets were terminally brain-damaged, though. |
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| [14:28:29] | Ojg: | what card would you guys recommend for dvb-c ? preferbly hardware decoding |
| [14:29:09] | directhex|work: | hardware decoding? |
| [14:29:22] | directhex|work: | as in using tv-out on the dvb card? |
| [14:29:29] | Dibblah: | hashbang_: Not really. |
| [14:29:42] | directhex|work: | i've never seen that for anything but dvb-s, and nobody recommends you use them, ever |
| [14:29:48] | Dibblah: | There's a set (in the protocol) switching time between a master and slave. |
| [14:29:53] | directhex|work: | not sure they work with anything but dvr, and even then, it's a push |
| [14:30:15] | Dibblah: | The "fully featured" cards do work in Myth. |
| [14:30:29] | Dibblah: | However, they don't display menus or OSD, which is a little bit limiting. |
| [14:31:18] | Ojg: | anyway skip the hardware decoding then, is the card list on the mythtv wiki up2d ? |
| [14:31:40] | Dibblah: | Dunno. When was it updated? :) |
| [14:31:46] | GreyFoxx: | use the linuxtv list. We support there dvb api |
| [14:31:51] | GreyFoxx: | so if they support it then it should work |
| [14:32:13] | Dibblah: | I have had some success with cablestar 2 cards. However, no CI so only FTA channels. |
| [14:32:48] | seth|work: | ack, the mysql server just borked on linuxmce.org |
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| [14:34:12] | iamlindoro: | probably fairly representative of LinuxEmmCeeEEE then |
| [14:34:13] | hashbang_: | Dibblah: not quite sure what you're getting at. Are you asserting that the CMD640 wasn't as brain damaged as I describe, or that PATA is generally broken and unsafe? |
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| [14:34:45] | Dibblah: | Not broken as in data corruption. |
| [14:34:59] | Dibblah: | Broken as in should have been a point-to-point link to start with. |
| [14:35:10] | Dibblah: | Master / Slave is badly flawed. |
| [14:35:25] | Dibblah: | Especially at high speeds. |
| [14:35:57] | Dibblah: | The main problem is, you're trying to DMA to a device on a contended bus. |
| [14:36:20] | Dibblah: | Which is a hard issue to solve well without large buffers and processors on both ends of the link. |
| [14:36:52] | hashbang_: | Dibblah: right, fair enough. |
| [14:37:01] | hashbang_ is now known as hashbang | |
| [14:37:46] | hashbang: | Dibblah: OTOH, ATA100 is commonplace, and most discs tend to top out at ~60MByte/s, and 8 and 16MB buffers aren't uncommon these days. |
| [14:37:46] | Dibblah: | Hard to solve well. |
| [14:38:09] | Dibblah: | The way it happens at the moment is contention / back-off, which is highly sub-optimal. |
| [14:38:22] | ** hashbang buys discs with big buffers as a matter of course. Usually <=2GBP in it. ** | |
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| [14:38:25] | Dibblah: | You get maybe 10Mbytes / sec from each device, non-reliably. |
| [14:38:53] | hashbang: | Dibblah: Intel PATA controllers, or others? |
| [14:39:07] | Dibblah: | It's the bus spec, not the controller. |
| [14:39:15] | Dibblah: | (ATA) |
| [14:40:02] | hashbang: | also, the last two boards I bought have Promise controllers on, so with 4 channels, I have only one device on each. |
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| [14:40:30] | hashbang: | I can't remember the last time I used a slave. Probably 2002, or so. |
| [14:41:28] | clever: | if you dont allow the master and slave to work at once |
| [14:41:36] | clever: | then you can send 1 query right after another id think |
| [14:41:38] | directhex|work: | intel pata controllers? what intel pata controllers? intel southbridges contain no pata support anymore |
| [14:42:00] | clever: | the controler would know which of the 2 devices is being used and can avoid contention and queue the 2 fairly |
| [14:42:17] | clever: | but pata with talking to 1 while the other seeks is where it gets complex |
| [14:42:27] | clever: | and both would need to be able to share the bus like that |
| [14:43:22] | clever: | in theory you could have a 2 lines to use like irq |
| [14:43:27] | clever: | 1 for the master and 1 for the slave |
| [14:43:32] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: shows you how old my kit is at home, doesn't it? ;-) i845PE |
| [14:43:40] | clever: | and just raise your hand when you want the controler to talk |
| [14:44:01] | clever: | but that might need 2 free lines in the pata cable and a tweak to the proto |
| [14:44:25] | clever: | no real need to keep improving pata now that sata is out |
| [14:44:30] | directhex|work: | hashbang, i ran i845 when i was an undergrad. but pentium 4 is old, yes |
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| [14:45:16] | clever: | directhex|work: you know why my 1.6ghz Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU might perform worse then the 400mhz PIII? |
| [14:45:28] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: still good enough for me! But tempted by the Aldi Q6600 machine for 499GBP next week. :-) |
| [14:45:39] | clever: | phpmyadmin goes noticable faster on the slower box |
| [14:45:48] | clever: | (local mysqld in both cases) |
| [14:46:03] | hashbang: | PIII was a nice arch |
| [14:46:14] | hashbang: | P4 clock speeds aren't directly comparable with PIII |
| [14:46:16] | directhex|work: | 1.6ghz? |
| [14:46:32] | directhex|work: | i don't remember them ever making a 1.6ghz pentium 4 part |
| [14:46:36] | clever: | yeah the clock speed isnt very comparable between major arches |
| [14:46:43] | clever: | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500MHz |
| [14:46:46] | clever: | cpu MHz : 1513.622 |
| [14:46:47] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: pretty much first gen P4/SDRAM, IIRC |
| [14:47:14] | clever: | some proof of the arch diff's |
| [14:47:32] | clever: | single threaded c2d 1.8ghz progs outdo single core 2.9ghz celeron |
| [14:47:40] | directhex|work: | clever, the problem with pentium 4 is it has a massively long pipeline. so whilst clock speeds are high, it takes many clocks before work begins being outputted |
| [14:47:46] | clever: | in raw power(transcoding and 264) |
| [14:47:56] | clever: | ahhhh |
| [14:47:59] | directhex|work: | clever, and in the event of a pipeline flush, then everything takes that much longer to start up again |
| [14:48:10] | clever: | and jpmne and friends break the pipeline? |
| [14:48:19] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: yup, a mis-predicted branch, and P4/NetBurst is screwed. |
| [14:48:26] | directhex|work: | clever, pipelines on pentium 4 got as high as 31 stage, iirc, whereas on pentium 3 it was just over 1/3 of that |
| [14:48:37] | clever: | ouch |
| [14:48:57] | clever: | and the c2d? |
| [14:49:10] | directhex|work: | about the same as pentium 3, but with twice the flops per cycle |
| [14:49:12] | ** Dibblah wishes someone would just bring out a P3 on 45nm. ** | |
| [14:49:14] | directhex|work: | per core |
| [14:49:32] | directhex|work: | Dibblah, wolfdale |
| [14:49:34] | Dibblah: | It'd be what – 1/2w idle? |
| [14:49:36] | clever: | my P3 is a slot |
| [14:49:44] | directhex|work: | oh, THAT kind |
| [14:49:56] | directhex|work: | Dibblah, it's called "atom". intel "atom" and "centrino atom" |
| [14:50:00] | directhex|work: | and indeed, 1–2W |
| [14:50:16] | directhex|work: | http://www.intel.com/technology/atom/ |
| [14:50:19] | clever: | wait bad memory |
| [14:50:21] | clever: | it isnt a p3 |
| [14:50:23] | clever: | its a p2!!! |
| [14:50:24] | clever: | model name : Pentium II (Deschutes) |
| [14:50:26] | Dibblah: | I also want a 4 PCI slot motherboard for it, which is probably not going to happen :) |
| [14:50:27] | clever: | even older |
| [14:50:32] | clever: | yet its paster then a p4 |
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| [14:50:35] | directhex|work: | Dibblah, no, it isn't |
| [14:50:36] | clever: | faster |
| [14:50:49] | clever: | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr up |
| [14:50:55] | clever: | clflush size : 32 |
| [14:51:05] | clever: | stepping : 2 |
| [14:51:11] | clever: | whats the stepping refer to? |
| [14:51:32] | directhex|work: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepping_%28version_numbers%29 |
| [14:51:45] | clever: | ahh |
| [14:52:04] | clever: | like a patch version on the kernel |
| [14:52:29] | clever: | which means it has nothing to do with the pipeline size |
| [14:52:51] | directhex|work: | indeed |
| [14:53:07] | clever: | and clflush is something for sse2 |
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| [14:54:58] | directhex|work: | clever, 12 stage, for pentium pro -> pentium 3, as far as i can determine |
| [14:55:33] | clever: | what opcodes may typicaly flush the pipeline? |
| [14:55:36] | clever: | call? |
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| [14:58:14] | epederstuen: | I have been having trouble getting ffmpeg built to work correctly for what we are trying to do. Are there any good resources out there that help with building ffmpeg? |
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| [15:01:13] | iamlindoro: | What is it "we" are trying to do? |
| [15:01:46] | iamlindoro: | And in what distro? |
| [15:01:46] | epederstuen: | convert to either mp4 or flv |
| [15:01:59] | epederstuen: | mythdora |
| [15:02:58] | epederstuen: | i had it working to convert to mp4 and it was working great but to get it to convert to .flv i had to rebuild it from source, since then it will not convert to mp4 |
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| [15:04:40] | iamlindoro: | Well, MP4 is a container, and ffmpeg will do the container out of of the box... possibly you mean MPEG-4 Parts 2 or 10, which will require your distros libx264 and libxvid and equivalent dev packages (likely libx264-dev and libxvid-dev)... flv doesn't require any external dependencies that I am aware of. You will probably need libmp3lame packages if your flv audio track is mp3. |
| [15:05:07] | hashbang: | epederstuen: grab the src.rpm for the version of ffmpeg you were using, then upgrade tarball to the one you were using to convert to flv and rebuild the rpm. |
| [15:11:33] | epederstuen: | hashbang: ok, thanks, I will try that. |
| [15:13:36] | epederstuen: | I had been using the latest svn version of ffmpeg |
| [15:17:04] | ** iamlindoro wonders why he bothers sometimes ** | |
| [15:19:02] | epederstuen: | iamlindoro: i do have all the dev packages installed for ffmpeg, the problem i was running into is that when i tried to build it i would get something similiar to this: ERROR: No version of libdc1394 found |
| [15:25:10] | iamlindoro_: | epederstuen: That's just another missing dep |
| [15:25:26] | iamlindoro_: | in debian, libdc1394–13, no idea in fedora |
| [15:27:26] | iamlindoro_: | or just configure with --disable-libdc1394... |
| [15:28:06] | epederstuen: | iamlindora: when i run locate libdc1394 on the server it finds this: /usr/lib/libdc1394.a |
| [15:28:08] | epederstuen: | /usr/lib/libdc1394.la |
| [15:28:09] | epederstuen: | /usr/lib/libdc1394.so |
| [15:28:11] | epederstuen: | /usr/lib/libdc1394.so.20 |
| [15:28:12] | epederstuen: | /usr/lib/libdc1394.so.20.0.0 |
| [15:28:13] | epederstuen: | /usr/lib/libdc1394_control.so.12 |
| [15:28:15] | epederstuen: | /usr/lib/libdc1394_control.so.12.1.2 |
| [15:28:17] | epederstuen: | /usr/lib/libdc1394_control.so.13 |
| [15:28:18] | epederstuen: | /usr/lib/libdc1394_control.so.13.0.0 |
| [15:28:25] | iamlindoro_: | wow... definitely needed all of that instead of a pastebin |
| [15:28:54] | epederstuen: | so i could not figure out what i was missing, it seems like i have everything there |
| [15:29:04] | PatrickDK: | iam, come on you know pastbin confuses people :) |
| [15:29:51] | epederstuen: | yeah, i'm sorry, i do not know that that is |
| [15:30:07] | iamlindoro_: | epederstuen: Having the .so's != having all the development stuff ffmpeg requires... and again, I gave you the configure line to disable it, so you have all the info you need |
| [15:32:27] | ** iamlindoro_ goes to work ** | |
| [15:33:02] | iamlindoro_: | (expects to check the logs and have directhex|work telling him he's a lazy bastard for going to work at 3 PM) |
| [15:33:29] | hashbang: | epederstuen: also, sometimes package authors screw up their autoconfig stuff and/or it changes between versions of the dependency in question |
| [15:33:37] | hashbang: | "some assembly required" |
| [15:34:02] | hashbang: | I gather ffmpeg is particularly "daunting" in this regard, as I gather it has no concept of "release versions" |
| [15:34:12] | hashbang: | just permanent development. |
| [15:37:19] | directhex|work: | and ever-changing configure flags |
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| [15:38:50] | Aval0n: | guys I have found plenty of really good tuts online that guide you through installing SVN and i've done it dozens of times. They give you the whole list of libs that you need prior to compiling.. My question is if a newer version of Mythtv needs newer libs one day, where do you go to find that information out about what it needs.. Would you just look at the ./configure output to see what is not going to be built? |
| [15:39:51] | directhex|work: | typically |
| [15:40:03] | directhex|work: | or use packages, and make someone else do the hard work for you :p |
| [15:40:18] | hashbang: | Aval0n: I let Axel Thimm figure that stuff out for me. :-) |
| [15:40:26] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: high five. :-) |
| [15:42:34] | directhex|work: | i let Mario Limonciello do the hard work |
| [15:42:44] | directhex|work: | my gift to him is bug reports :p |
| [15:44:37] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [15:44:47] | Aval0n: | superm |
| [15:44:51] | Aval0n: | is that mario limon |
| [15:44:56] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [15:45:14] | Aval0n: | a lot of ppl owe that dude thanks for getting mcsusb2 support realistic in lirc |
| [15:45:21] | Aval0n: | mceusb2* |
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| [16:23:22] | armbar: | hello, how can I troubleshoot nuvexport not cutting commercials? If I run nuvexport-xvid I get a file that is 345mb. If I 1st run Flag Commercials and then nuvexport-xzid, I get the same file 345mb. if commercials are being removed shouldn't the 2nd file be smaller? |
| [16:23:51] | directhex|work: | are the flagged commercials marked as a cutlist? |
| [16:24:40] | armbar: | not sure how I can tell. |
| [16:24:46] | iamlindoro__: | That's a no then :) |
| [16:25:25] | iamlindoro__: | You have to load the commercials into a cutlist, as directhex|work says... play the recording, press M for menu, hit edit recording, then hit "Z" to load the commflag as a cutlist. |
| [16:25:42] | iamlindoro__: | *then* nuvexports honoring of the cutlist will work |
| [16:25:48] | armbar: | mythweb says Flag Commercials (Finished: Thu Mar 6, 2008, 10:45 PM) |
| [16:25:49] | armbar: | 4 commercial break(s) |
| [16:26:00] | iamlindoro__: | commercial flagging does not = cutlist |
| [16:26:09] | armbar: | i see |
| [16:26:15] | iamlindoro__: | but like I say above, the commflag can be *loaded* as a cutlist |
| [16:28:03] | armbar: | will gencutlist = yes take care of it or is the above the only way? |
| [16:28:06] | iamlindoro__: | You can also convert the commflagging list to a cutlist from the commandline with mythcommflag --gencutlist -f myrecording.mpg |
| [16:29:13] | iamlindoro__: | armbar, based on the identical terminology I would guess yes, but I don't use nuvexport to do my commercial removal |
| [16:29:31] | armbar: | ok |
| [16:30:51] | directhex|work: | see, that nice mister iamlindoro__ is being all helpful like. next question he gets he should reply "cabbage", in the interests of maintaining balance |
| [16:31:35] | iamlindoro__: | directhex|work, I find that in this room I don't need to look for reasons to be sarcastic and hateful ;) |
| [16:33:03] | |Torg|: | umm its a channel, not a room. AOL had chant rooms, irc has channels, or to be very techincal CPTRS |
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| [16:33:17] | iamlindoro__: | directhex|bsp, See? |
| [16:33:19] | ** |Torg| waits for iamlindoro sarchasim ** | |
| [16:34:17] | directhex|work: | /topic >>>>>tEeN pOoL pArTy<<<<< |
| [16:36:43] | iamlindoro__: | And with that, we're just inches away from a/s/l checks |
| [16:37:34] | directhex|work: | 14/f/ca |
| [16:37:35] | PatrickDK: | 30/m/usa? |
| [16:37:40] | directhex|work: | everyone on the internet is 14/f/ca |
| [16:37:56] | PatrickDK: | no, everyone one on the internet claims to be 14/f/ca |
| [16:38:06] | |Torg|: | they are all 19 |
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| [16:38:10] | directhex|work: | same difference until you're half naked |
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| [16:38:32] | Dagmar: | 14, female, and catholic? |
| [16:38:41] | Dagmar: | That's what I always used to tell people |
| [16:38:42] | |Torg|: | california |
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| [16:51:52] | iamlindoro__: | Ah, a new low... Comcast broadcast last night's The Daily Show @ 2Mbit |
| [16:51:56] | iamlindoro__: | lovely |
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| [16:52:47] | directhex|work: | 2mbit is more than enough..... |
| [16:52:51] | directhex|work: | for sd h264 |
| [16:53:01] | iamlindoro__: | Heh, well, jokes on us then |
| [16:53:16] | iamlindoro__: | w/ the MPEG-2 and all |
| [16:53:37] | iamlindoro__: | still, better than capturing with a PVR-150 |
| [16:54:04] | directhex|work: | iamlindoro__, education: http://dtt.me.uk/?demux |
| [16:54:57] | iamlindoro__: | How is that supposed to make me feel better? My SD show *maxed out* at 2 Mbit :) |
| [16:55:23] | directhex|work: | i said it would be educational, not uplifting |
| [16:55:57] | iamlindoro__: | Well yay UK. There, I said it. |
| [16:56:08] | iamlindoro__: | Harumph. |
| [16:56:49] | |Torg|: | directhex| was it you that was teling me mplayer reported rates incorrectly? |
| [16:57:07] | directhex|work: | iamlindoro__, yay? multiplex a is unwatchable most of the time! |
| [16:57:16] | directhex|work: | |Torg|, maybe. i have a terrible memory |
| [16:57:23] | iamlindoro__: | directhex|work, Heh, so imagine my discontent |
| [16:57:26] | |Torg|: | VIDEO: MPEG2 1920x1080 (aspect 3) 29.970 fps 65000.0 kbps (8125.0 kbyte/s) |
| [16:57:40] | iamlindoro__: | |Torg|, No, it was me, and that's still true |
| [16:57:40] | |Torg|: | for that, its telling me its 65MB streem |
| [16:57:53] | |Torg|: | how do you fix that? |
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| [16:58:58] | iamlindoro__: | |Torg|, Complain to the ffmepg people until they have no choice but to claw out their own eyes or fix it? And even then, it wouldn't be accurate since everything is VBR anyway and you'd need to analyze the whole stream |
| [16:59:28] | iamlindoro__: | Or just load it into a TS analyzer and that ought to give you a good idea of what the average bitrate is per-PID |
| [16:59:56] | |Torg|: | yes but thee are stright mpegs, not ts anymore they were stripped |
| [17:00:03] | |Torg|: | or so the ts analyser tells me, its not a ts |
| [17:00:30] | iamlindoro__: | Even if they're not *Transport* streams, they're still streams |
| [17:00:54] | |Torg|: | yes I know there streams, just that I have yet to find a anayser that works on them |
| [17:02:07] | directhex|work: | here's an easy one |
| [17:02:18] | directhex|work: | filesize / fileduration = bitrate |
| [17:02:51] | iamlindoro__: | yup, that works for the overall mux |
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| [17:03:41] | |Torg|: | it would be true if the whole mpeg was consitant, which it is not |
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| [17:03:59] | iamlindoro__: | directhex|work was saying it would give you the bitrate average |
| [17:04:08] | directhex|work: | |Torg|, then what do you expect mplayer to tell you? |
| [17:04:17] | iamlindoro__: | Which is all you'll get anyway from a TS analyzer |
| [17:04:22] | |Torg|: | it comes to the same problem that I had with lossless transcoding after cutting commericals wher I saved an average 500M out of 8G |
| [17:04:39] | iamlindoro__: | That's because the commercials were SD |
| [17:04:59] | |Torg|: | I would prefer mplayer to tell me its VBR and the rates which it can operate in, but that would presume mpeg acualy had that somewhere like in a headder |
| [17:05:21] | |Torg|: | iamlindoro they arnt exactly SD there letterboxed, so allot of the mpeg is simply black pixels |
| [17:05:40] | |Torg|: | at least I think its caled letteboxed, with the black side bars? |
| [17:06:40] | hnitsuj: | watched The Daily Show last night. jesus the video & audio are horrible. how people in the US put up with SDTV for so long I'll never know |
| [17:06:47] | hnitsuj: | and still 43! |
| [17:06:51] | hnitsuj: | 4:3, even |
| [17:07:07] | iamlindoro__: | |Torg|, It's still SD, those black spaces have to do with the container formatting |
| [17:07:35] | iamlindoro__: | hnitsuj, Then you feel my pain :) |
| [17:08:02] | iamlindoro__: | |Torg|, It's not an ffmpeg bug, the commercials *really are* 500 Mbytes of the 8 Gig |
| [17:08:19] | |Torg|: | I fully realize its still SD, rember I can see them on a 61" screen. But I also see what ffpeg reports back to be and other then framerate changes it does not change the resolution |
| [17:08:54] | |Torg|: | and yes iamlindoro I realise the commericals really ARE 500M, its jut that I spent over a day in transocding adn testing to relize that fact |
| [17:09:02] | ** iamlindoro__ rolls his eyes ** | |
| [17:09:28] | |Torg|: | but that isnt what I asked, it was how can I more accurately tell what the real rate, even averaged rate of the mpeg is |
| [17:09:46] | iamlindoro__: | |Torg|, And directhex told you-- so what's the problem? |
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| [17:10:15] | iamlindoro__: | If you want the averaged rate, then filesize/duration in seconds is it |
| [17:10:32] | |Torg|: | because what directhex| told me was how to average the bitrate, not analyze it |
| [17:11:03] | iamlindoro__: | "how can I more accurately tell what the real rate, even averaged rate of the mpeg is" |
| [17:11:05] | iamlindoro__: | ??? |
| [17:11:27] | |Torg|: | what I really want to know is if there is significant differnce in commerical frames to actual show frams to write a commerical detector that has better then about a 25% false detection rate |
| [17:12:03] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [17:12:16] | PatrickDK: | hmm, commercials around here is about 1/3 of the video |
| [17:12:57] | iamlindoro__: | PatrickDK, You're telling me-- LOST after commercial removal last night was 39 Minutes! Yech! |
| [17:13:07] | |Torg|: | PatrickDK: timewise they commericals in the US are between 40–55% of the bordcastsed show in time, but my own experiments have shown me they are not in HD |
| [17:13:28] | |Torg|: | so if I could simply say record ONLY HD, that woudl work, untill the time the advertisers start making HD commericals |
| [17:13:38] | iamlindoro__: | Which they already do |
| [17:13:47] | hnitsuj: | I'd put money on commercials in the UK actually having a better bitrate than shows |
| [17:13:56] | AndyCap: | well, that's where the money is. |
| [17:14:19] | iamlindoro__: | AndyCap, That's why Dillinger said he robbed banks ;) |
| [17:14:32] | AndyCap: | actually I think it was a brit who said that |
| [17:14:48] | |Torg|: | iamlindoro I assure you the HD commericals are so rare where I live they are actualy noted by our local populateion, I would put them at less then 1% of the advertizing |
| [17:15:16] | |Torg|: | I live rually enough I get plenty of RV lot, used truck sales, drill pump sites, type commericals |
| [17:15:24] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro__: nah, sorry. Willie Sutton was in fact from brooklyn, and an irish american. |
| [17:15:35] | |Torg|: | these are not even in deceint SD quailty, look more like they were make on an old VHS tape (and probbly were) |
| [17:15:40] | |Torg|: | thats what I want to get rid of |
| [17:15:55] | AndyCap: | ah, local commercials. |
| [17:15:59] | hnitsuj: | |Torg|: a symptom of living in the wrong country, that is ;) |
| [17:16:22] | iamlindoro__: | I'd say a full 20–30% of my network TV ads are HD now-- Mostly auto ads and TV ads |
| [17:17:17] | hnitsuj: | methinks you can still count the percentage of HD in the total TV output in the low tens – wouldn't be surprised |
| [17:17:38] | PatrickDK: | Torg, how do you loose 39min? |
| [17:17:52] | PatrickDK: | I know the default max comm time was set to like 60min |
| [17:17:58] | PatrickDK: | I lowered that to 5min on my system |
| [17:18:12] | |Torg|: | what do you mean how do I loose it? |
| [17:18:25] | iamlindoro__: | PatrickDK, You might not have seen that line coming from me-- what I said was lost was 39 minutes long last night without commercials |
| [17:18:36] | AndyCap: | PatrickDK: the show Lost... |
| [17:18:46] | PatrickDK: | oh, show lost |
| [17:18:49] | PatrickDK: | heh, I don't watch it |
| [17:18:52] | hnitsuj: | is that still on? |
| [17:19:01] | iamlindoro__: | Yes, and they're finally answering questions |
| [17:19:04] | AndyCap: | dunno. I lost interest. |
| [17:19:16] | hnitsuj: | or is everyone still watching it in the vain hope something will happen that they understand? |
| [17:19:19] | AndyCap: | ba-da-bum-tish. |
| [17:19:32] | |Torg|: | are you asking why a 60 minute show ending up really being 39 minutes? or are you surised there actually WAS 21 minutes of commericals in it? |
| [17:19:48] | iamlindoro__: | |Torg|, Nobody is asking anything |
| [17:19:51] | hnitsuj: | writer's block? ;) |
| [17:20:00] | AndyCap: | ah, the writer's strike |
| [17:20:02] | PatrickDK: | no, I thought you where bitching that the commercial detection deleted 39min of actual show |
| [17:20:29] | hnitsuj: | with some shows that'd be a blessing |
| [17:20:44] | |Torg|: | no my comaplsin is that commerical detecion has about a 75% accuracy rate |
| [17:20:46] | AndyCap: | btw. networks editing out scenes from a show is frickin annoying |
| [17:20:47] | ** hnitsuj misses the ITV monkeg ads ** | |
| [17:20:54] | hnitsuj: | *monkeh |
| [17:21:12] | |Torg|: | PatrickDK: asked me how I lost 39 minutes, which is why I asked what he meant |
| [17:21:22] | hnitsuj: | |Torg|: yes that was another of the untouched SoC projects ;) |
| [17:21:52] | hnitsuj: | I sincerely hope the boat's been missed for this year's SoC. less disappointment |
| [17:22:10] | |Torg|: | and I fully belive in the conspiracy that shows and commericals are harder to detect becase they are now made that way |
| [17:22:10] | iamlindoro__: | hnitsuj, Awww, c'mon, don't you want another MythWeather? |
| [17:22:31] | hnitsuj: | iamlindoro__: hmmm let me think... |
| [17:23:18] | iamlindoro__: | hnitsuj, I suppose we could just replace mythweather with a screen that said, "Open a window you lazy fuck!" |
| [17:23:43] | hnitsuj: | and make the setup UI for it incomprehensible? |
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| [17:24:34] | iamlindoro__: | No no, no UI, we'll make injecting all the information w/ SQL statements a requirement *cough*MythFlix*cough* |
| [17:24:36] | AndyCap: | just put the mythtvbox outside. if it's white, it's snowing, if it's wet it's raining, if it's hot it's sunny, and if it's gone it's a hurricane |
| [17:24:51] | hnitsuj: | I've met an impasse in my latest crazy idea. wanted to make the autoexpiry list viewable more like 'watch recordings' or 'upcoming recordings' |
| [17:25:26] | whodat: | hnitsuj: i like that idea |
| [17:25:41] | hnitsuj: | needs a wee bit more mastery of array-type stuff in c++ than I currently have |
| [17:25:59] | hnitsuj: | not insurmountable I hope |
| [17:26:18] | AndyCap: | I thought I saw an autoexpire list already, just that it was buried in the menus? |
| [17:26:25] | AndyCap: | ah, info center, status. |
| [17:26:36] | hnitsuj: | whodat: I don't often use the autoexpire list. 1. because it's hidden in the status screen 2. because the information shown is so limited |
| [17:28:02] | hnitsuj: | when I've done some more pet projects I might turn my hand to other things like try to bring some more commonality to controls. IMHO be nice if others opted to do likewise rather than chip in with stupid recipe bollocks though ;) |
| [17:28:18] | hnitsuj: | and windows porting |
| [17:28:31] | whodat: | hnitsuj: how about just color code the watch recordings list.. red, expires within the day, yellow.. within the week. etc. |
| [17:28:36] | hnitsuj: | but hey – contribution is contribution whether it's 'worthy' or not |
| [17:28:45] | hnitsuj: | whodat: themes decide colour codes |
| [17:29:24] | hnitsuj: | whodat: I was thinking about having a set of filters & choice of sorting – as well as maybe try to estimate time to expiry |
| [17:30:02] | hnitsuj: | it could only ever be a guess though, based on max bitrate stats & upcoming recordings in the queue |
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| [17:32:55] | hnitsuj: | be even more handy what with the pretendy delete that'll be in 0.21 |
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| [17:58:31] | Aval0n: | justin |
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| [17:58:41] | Aval0n: | why can't blootube-wide be purple? |
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| [17:59:29] | Aval0n: | :) |
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| [18:07:40] | iamlindoro__: | Because most of us don't want our mythboxes to look like a Prince Album |
| [18:09:33] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [18:09:41] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro: i was just joking with him anyway |
| [18:09:42] | Aval0n: | :P |
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| [18:17:04] | Aval0n: | guys when I used .20.2 the gnomescreensaver would fade to black like I wanted it to, but when I hit a button on the remote it would just go away.. I have a plasma so I am trying to prevent any burn-in. Ever since I've switched to SVN (6 or 7 versions) it's a 50/50 wether I get video back when I press a button on the remote. Any ideas? |
| [18:18:00] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.istartedsomething.com/20080307/ste . . . -developers/ |
| [18:18:06] | iamlindoro__: | Wow, Ballmer *really* likes web developers |
| [18:18:53] | Aval0n: | lol |
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| [18:46:24] | iamlindoro__: | Hmmmm, I'm very curious whether the fix in 16419 will have any effect on ticket 2770 |
| [18:46:52] | iamlindoro__: | Because as near as I can tell, mythtranscode fails in my case because of screwed up timestamps |
| [18:48:56] | iamlindoro__: | Well, only one way to find out... |
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| [19:09:29] | lwizardl: | hi |
| [19:09:56] | lwizardl: | hey jamesd you busy? |
| [19:15:41] | jamesd: | i'm here |
| [19:16:23] | lwizardl: | ok did what that page said and it found no device in mythtv so i reinstalled everything again |
| [19:19:52] | jamesd: | use card type dvb dtv card |
| [19:20:07] | iamlindoro__: | Heh, this isn't Windows, no need to reinstall to make single devices work |
| [19:20:17] | lwizardl: | did that said device #0 not found |
| [19:20:29] | iamlindoro__: | Expecially well-known and working devices like the KWorld |
| [19:21:34] | lwizardl: | everytime i try to get it to work only the analog seems to work |
| [19:22:10] | iamlindoro__: | lwizardl, you have followed the wiki setup instructions and those are done right this minute, right? |
| [19:22:37] | lwizardl: | noot yet |
| [19:22:42] | lwizardl: | doing those right now |
| [19:24:05] | lwizardl: | 49.718580] saa7133[0]: subsystem: 17de:7350, board: Kworld ATSC110 [card=90,autodetected] |
| [19:24:19] | iamlindoro__: | once you are done with them, pastebin the output of dmesg |grep -i dvb and dmesg |grep -i nxt for us |
| [19:24:37] | lwizardl: | k |
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| [19:33:58] | lwizardl: | hmm ok just got something weird |
| [19:34:10] | lwizardl: | v4lctl -c /dev/video0 setattr automute off |
| [19:34:10] | lwizardl: | cmd: automute: attribute not found |
| [19:34:10] | lwizardl: | valid choices are: "norm", "input", "audio mode", "bright", "contrast", "color", "hue", "volume", "Balance", "mute" |
| [19:35:21] | iamlindoro__: | Don't worry about that stuff-- you're not trying to run it in analog mode anyway, are you?? |
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| [19:36:07] | lwizardl: | http://pastebin.ca/932473 |
| [19:36:17] | lwizardl: | don't plan on it |
| [19:36:28] | iamlindoro__: | lwizardl, You haven't installed the firmware... |
| [19:36:43] | iamlindoro__: | That's why you have no dvb |
| [19:36:55] | lwizardl: | I followed that page |
| [19:36:58] | iamlindoro__: | Step 1 of the wiki page |
| [19:37:08] | lwizardl: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Kworld_ATSC_110 |
| [19:37:19] | iamlindoro__: | And what happened when you did "perl get_dvb_firmware nxt2004 |
| [19:37:19] | iamlindoro__: | " |
| [19:37:29] | iamlindoro__: | Don't quote the wiki page to me, I'm quoting it to *you* |
| [19:37:30] | iamlindoro__: | ;) |
| [19:37:51] | lwizardl: | hehe |
| [19:37:52] | lwizardl: | sec |
| [19:38:17] | iamlindoro__: | Sounds kinda like you cut and pasted the commands and didn't actually insert your own kernel source directory |
| [19:38:45] | iamlindoro__: | for shits and giggles, run updatedb && locate dvb-fe-nxt2004.fw |
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| [19:38:53] | iamlindoro__: | and pastebin if there's any output |
| [19:39:28] | moemoe: | hi everybody – i'm looking for a way to add the comp. input of a second tv-card as a further channel inside mythtv- what's the easiest way to do so? |
| [19:40:19] | lwizardl: | http://pastebin.ca/932475 |
| [19:40:34] | lwizardl: | running that command now |
| [19:40:47] | fryfrog: | moemoe: *component*? or composite? |
| [19:40:55] | iamlindoro__: | lwizardl, What distro? |
| [19:40:58] | lwizardl: | ubuntu |
| [19:41:09] | lwizardl: | 7.10 gutsy |
| [19:41:42] | lwizardl: | /home/james/Desktop/dvb-fe-nxt2004.fw |
| [19:41:42] | lwizardl: | /lib/firmware/dvb-fe-nxt2004.fw |
| [19:42:24] | iamlindoro__: | what are the permissions on it? |
| [19:42:29] | iamlindoro__: | the /lib/firmware one |
| [19:42:47] | lwizardl: | how do I check? |
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| [19:42:55] | iamlindoro__: | ls -al /lib/firmware |
| [19:43:13] | lwizardl: | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9584 2008-03–07 14:26 dvb-fe-nxt2004.fw |
| [19:43:27] | iamlindoro__: | Yep, looks fine and like the right size |
| [19:44:26] | iamlindoro__: | pastebin output of lsmod | grep 713 |
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| [19:45:07] | lwizardl: | http://pastebin.ca/932483 |
| [19:45:17] | hnitsuj: | Aval0n: it can't be anything, anymore :P |
| [19:45:17] | iamlindoro__: | and while you're at it, sudo modprobe saa7134 |
| [19:45:34] | lwizardl: | sudo modprobe saa7134 does nothing |
| [19:45:45] | iamlindoro__: | It's not *supposed* to give any output |
| [19:45:50] | iamlindoro__: | It doesn't mean it's doing nothing |
| [19:46:00] | lwizardl: | it auto detects my card as a saa7133 |
| [19:46:21] | iamlindoro__: | lwizardl, Look, we can argue or you can go with me on this stuff |
| [19:46:27] | hnitsuj: | if you want modprobe to output stuff you should use -v ;) |
| [19:46:39] | lwizardl: | i'm saying I just did that and it displayed nothing :) |
| [19:46:46] | lwizardl: | k |
| [19:47:11] | lwizardl: | sudo modprobe -v saa7134 = nothing output again |
| [19:47:34] | iamlindoro__: | rmmod saa7134 && rmmod saa7134_alsa && rmmod saa7134_dvb |
| [19:47:38] | iamlindoro__: | stop making up steps! |
| [19:47:44] | iamlindoro__: | Just *do what I tell you to do* |
| [19:48:00] | lwizardl: | ERROR: Module saa7134 is in use by saa7134_alsa,saa7134_dvb |
| [19:48:04] | iamlindoro__: | actually, that's fine |
| [19:48:07] | iamlindoro__: | just reorder it |
| [19:48:20] | iamlindoro__: | rmmod saa7134_alsa && rmmod saa7134_dvb && rmmod saa7134 |
| [19:48:38] | lwizardl: | ERROR: Removing 'saa7134_alsa': Operation not permitted |
| [19:48:41] | iamlindoro__: | sudo |
| [19:48:45] | moemoe: | fryfrog: composite |
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| [19:49:03] | lwizardl: | ok done |
| [19:49:05] | lwizardl: | no error |
| [19:49:09] | iamlindoro__: | now: |
| [19:49:13] | moemoe: | fryfrog: but i just changed my mind – probably it will be to laggy, i wanted to connect my vod settopbox |
| [19:49:13] | iamlindoro__: | modprobe saa7134 |
| [19:49:28] | iamlindoro__: | sudo modprobe saa7134_dvb |
| [19:49:35] | iamlindoro__: | sudo the original modprobe too |
| [19:49:47] | lwizardl: | and alsa ? |
| [19:49:50] | iamlindoro__: | no |
| [19:49:53] | lwizardl: | k |
| [19:49:55] | iamlindoro__: | dmesg |
| [19:50:01] | iamlindoro__: | and pastebin the last 30 lines or so |
| [19:50:17] | iamlindoro__: | starting from the first line that starts 7134: |
| [19:50:22] | iamlindoro__: | er saa7134 |
| [19:50:57] | lwizardl: | http://pastebin.ca/932490 |
| [19:51:05] | iamlindoro__: | beautiful |
| [19:51:10] | iamlindoro__: | 5 bucks says you have a DVB card now |
| [19:51:10] | lwizardl: | i jalready had 30 posted |
| [19:51:22] | iamlindoro__: | ls -al /dev/dvb |
| [19:51:22] | lwizardl: | *already |
| [19:51:36] | lwizardl: | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 120 2008-03–07 14:01 adapter0 |
| [19:51:36] | lwizardl: | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 120 2008-03–07 14:49 adapter1 |
| [19:51:47] | iamlindoro__: | Hmmm, *two* DVB cards apparently |
| [19:51:54] | lwizardl: | yes |
| [19:52:00] | iamlindoro__: | tadaaaaaaa |
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| [19:52:12] | lwizardl: | kworld atsc 110 & twinhan dvb-s |
| [19:52:14] | hnitsuj: | bad they're owned by the root group though |
| [19:52:40] | hnitsuj: | lemme guess.... arch ! |
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| [19:52:50] | lwizardl: | hnitsuj, huh? |
| [19:53:06] | hnitsuj: | oops by bad. it's gutsy. ach well |
| [19:53:13] | hnitsuj: | s/by/my |
| [19:53:33] | iamlindoro__: | lwizardl, You should be able to add your Kworld in Myth fine now |
| [19:53:41] | hnitsuj: | still, the group owning the nodes shouldn't be root though |
| [19:54:06] | hnitsuj: | otherwise you have to add whatever user myth runs as to the root group.. not generally a great idea |
| [19:55:07] | hnitsuj: | who's been making udev rules which only allow root to access dvb devices eh? |
| [19:55:08] | lwizardl: | ok i'm going to try myth setup now |
| [19:55:16] | ** lwizardl crosses fingers ** | |
| [19:55:30] | ** hnitsuj bets his stolen car on it not working unless it's run as root ** | |
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| [19:56:10] | iamlindoro__: | Hmm, didn't his show as world-readable? |
| [19:56:10] | hnitsuj: | then eats his words cos his own dvb tuner adapters are rooty too |
| [19:56:37] | hnitsuj: | don't mind me. god, just aswell you're not paying for this :P |
| [19:57:01] | iamlindoro__: | hnitsuj, I was just about to be embarassed as mine are same ;) |
| [19:57:29] | sphery: | Stupid archived mythtv mailing lists create a permanent record of all the times I was wrong... |
| [19:57:58] | sphery: | Wonder if that's the permanent record my high-school pricipal was talking about |
| [19:57:58] | lwizardl: | *file 5 of 77 in mythbuntu control centre |
| [19:58:09] | Anduin: | sphery: No need to worry, people only read them when you give them links (and not even then) |
| [19:58:11] | iamlindoro__: | hnitsuj, I'm not gonna be the one to tell lwizardl about how he's going to need udev rules after the reboot... I'm just gonna be real quiet when that breaks |
| [19:58:26] | lwizardl: | what? |
| [19:58:33] | iamlindoro__: | Hmm? Oh, nothing |
| [19:58:42] | ** iamlindoro__ whistles idly ** | |
| [19:59:11] | hnitsuj: | glad I only bet my stolen car on it – I don't want it back after all |
| [19:59:17] | iamlindoro__: | let's just focus on today's problem... These aren't the droids you're looking for *handwave* |
| [19:59:21] | sphery: | Anduin: True. I forgot that part... |
| [19:59:33] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, lol |
| [19:59:42] | lwizardl: | hnitsuj, was it a honda |
| [19:59:53] | hnitsuj: | iamlindoro__: blacklisting is easier than udev rules |
| [19:59:57] | hnitsuj: | WAY easier |
| [20:00:10] | hnitsuj: | lwizardl: nah |
| [20:00:23] | iamlindoro__: | hnitsuj, awww, udev isn't hard once you get the hang of it |
| [20:00:33] | lwizardl: | was going to say let them keep it if it was |
| [20:00:41] | hnitsuj: | iamlindoro__: don't need to know, so don't ;) |
| [20:01:34] | keith4_: | so.... i royally screwed up my LVM and lost a bunch of recordings... i matched up the remaining mpgs and pngs to figure out which pngs to delete, and then went into mythweb and deleted all recordings that didn't have a preview. this fills the backend log with lines like "ERROR when trying to delete file: /mythtv/1535_20071029212900.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed." How do I fix this? Is there any way to reconcile |
| [20:01:34] | keith4_: | the database with what's actually on disk? |
| [20:01:51] | iamlindoro__: | myth.findorphans.pl |
| [20:01:59] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: Completely agree. It's amazing how useful (and powerful) things can be when you take the time to learn how they work (i.e. udev, ALSA configuration files, ...) |
| [20:02:05] | hnitsuj: | keith4_: myth_find_orphans.pl or somesuch. use with _extreme_ caution |
| [20:02:16] | sphery: | myth.findorphans.pl only works with 0.21-fixes/trunk |
| [20:02:30] | hnitsuj: | sphery: I disagree ;) |
| [20:02:31] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, I'll completely cop to having borked it well and truly the first shot at it, though... once I got my head wrapped around it it became a godsend |
| [20:02:52] | hnitsuj: | oh – yeah it only works as-is with 0.21/trunk :P |
| [20:03:02] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: I thought "break then fix" was the definition of learning... |
| [20:03:11] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, you can get it to work with .20 with the --dir=/my/rec/dir option |
| [20:03:21] | sphery: | iamlindoro__: cool. |
| [20:03:32] | keith4_: | doesn't find orphans look for recordings that aren't in the database? |
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| [20:03:41] | keith4_: | but that actually exist on disk? |
| [20:03:41] | sphery: | and vice versa |
| [20:03:44] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, I agree-- always learned the most after those "oh. My. God." moments. :) |
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| [20:03:45] | hnitsuj: | keith4_: you'll be looking forward to 0.21 then. no more need for LVM |
| [20:03:55] | keith4_: | ah, i didn't realize it did the reverse as well |
| [20:03:57] | keith4_: | hnitsuj: how's that? |
| [20:04:04] | hnitsuj: | keith4_: storage groups |
| [20:04:08] | keith4_: | really now |
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| [20:04:22] | iamlindoro__: | Really. But not now. ;) |
| [20:04:26] | iamlindoro__: | Sooooooon. |
| [20:04:27] | ** sphery loves that I have no multiple-disk (RAID/LVM) in sight on my Myth boxes (running trunk) ** | |
| [20:04:27] | keith4_: | yah, i definitely had an "oh. my. god" moment... when i shrank an LV smaller than the filesystem inside it |
| [20:04:51] | hnitsuj: | multiple recording dirs might come in handy around here |
| [20:04:55] | sphery: | verrrry sooooon (likely) |
| [20:04:57] | keith4_: | if you miss that negative sign when using lvreduce.... yikes |
| [20:05:17] | hnitsuj: | not had any playback wibbles to speak of since I added a nightly defraggle cron |
| [20:05:30] | keith4_: | the LVM has been fine for years now... until I had a disk fail and had to remove it |
| [20:05:34] | fryfrog: | sphery: as in, just using disks? |
| [20:05:43] | hnitsuj: | should stop the fraggles getting out of hand. 140,000 fraggles per file was slightly bad news |
| [20:06:02] | keith4_: | yah, if I could just throw disks at mythtv and let it do-what-you-will with them... that'd be awesome |
| [20:06:04] | sphery: | Is there a fraggle rock in your HDD? |
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| [20:06:29] | sphery: | fryfrog: Yeah. I'm using multiple recording directories, where each is basically a disk's filesystem. |
| [20:06:35] | fryfrog: | sphery: neat |
| [20:06:45] | hnitsuj: | keith4_: you can segregate recording groups into storage groups, or just let it allocate em itself |
| [20:06:54] | keith4_: | that's awesome |
| [20:07:04] | fryfrog: | sphery: i think i'd switch to that if (when) i have a dedicated myth box and i re-do my 320G drive array to one with like, 750G or 1TB drives |
| [20:07:08] | fryfrog: | be a good use of the 320s :) |
| [20:07:09] | hnitsuj: | in the event of not enough free space in one, it looks for another with space IIRC |
| [20:07:16] | sphery: | I lost a HDD in my storage groups/no LVM setup before I was able to copy all the recordings off it to a new filesystem, and I only lost what was on that one disk. Was beautiful... |
| [20:07:31] | sphery: | (IMHO, TV is not worth RAID'ing.) |
| [20:07:36] | fryfrog: | course, with a simple raid array... you'd have lost nothing :/ |
| [20:07:41] | fryfrog: | true |
| [20:07:46] | hnitsuj: | TV is not worth keeping when you've watched it IMHO |
| [20:07:58] | hnitsuj: | but I'm a weirdo, non-file-non-squirrel |
| [20:07:58] | fryfrog: | but how did *myth* handle it? did you have to massage it with the find orpahns thing? |
| [20:07:59] | |Torg|: | I converted my array to a jbod for exactly that reason |
| [20:08:02] | sphery: | yeah. I delete everything. |
| [20:08:37] | fryfrog: | only thing i "save" are movies (but not ones i record) |
| [20:09:16] | hnitsuj: | ohhhh shit. I tarred up all my work & burnt some discs with it on.. now I can't find the damn discs |
| [20:09:23] | sphery: | The RAID is definitely not worth it to me as it's been a while since I've seen a show that was really worth watching once. (With the one exception--Family Guy, Blue Harvest, Parts 1 and 2) |
| [20:09:43] | hnitsuj: | and the usb stick is in my car. and if I knew where that was... |
| [20:09:47] | sphery: | Oh, and of course, Stargate*, but I don't record those with Myth--I buy the DVD's. |
| [20:10:12] | hnitsuj: | ach well, guess any more dev work I do will be all brand new |
| [20:10:13] | keith4_: | what advantages does jbod offer over lvm? |
| [20:10:31] | sphery: | hnitsuj: I've found that when I accidentally delete some work, I always tend to do the job better the second time (experience from the first try :) |
| [20:10:44] | |Torg|: | jbod is a term, lvm another. Unless you are talking about Just A Box of Disks or Logivla Volume Management |
| [20:10:46] | hnitsuj: | sphery: CBA though ;) |
| [20:11:04] | sphery: | CBA? |
| [20:11:19] | hnitsuj: | can't be arsed |
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| [20:11:26] | sphery: | Oh. Got it. |
| [20:11:33] | |Torg|: | lvm, as it is commonly referd to here, is Linux's software raid manager. JBOD is intentialy no raid at all |
| [20:11:47] | keith4_: | lvm has nothing to do with software raid |
| [20:11:56] | keith4_: | mdadm is the software raid manager |
| [20:12:27] | iamlindoro__: | Heh, Spend 30 minutes dealing with the guys problem, and he leaves without so much as an acknowledgement that is worked. *sigh* |
| [20:12:30] | iamlindoro__: | er it |
| [20:13:01] | hnitsuj: | iamlindoro__: there's a word for that. think it starts with a 'w' and rhymes with 'tanker' |
| [20:13:12] | iamlindoro__: | hehe |
| [20:13:44] | iamlindoro__: | Directhex noted that I was being too nice this morning... |
| [20:13:50] | ** iamlindoro__ switches to "mean" for the afternoon... ** | |
| [20:13:51] | |Torg|: | keith4_: only in Linx are the disrimate software. Other unixes incorporate them together |
| [20:14:06] | hnitsuj: | I'm deliberately trying to be neither one thing or another – little experiment |
| [20:14:07] | keith4_: | right. wasn't lvm copied from HP-UX? |
| [20:14:11] | ** keith4_ goes to read wikipedia ** | |
| [20:14:47] | hnitsuj: | being a sod all the time is draining. being nice & all 'communitae' 24/7 is way more draining |
| [20:14:54] | jamesd: | keith4_, no, hp-ux uses veritas volume manager.. which is still a commercial app... no one is copying it without a major lawsuit |
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| [20:15:09] | iamlindoro__: | speak of the devil |
| [20:15:17] | keith4_: | of course... not copied. "loosely based on" |
| [20:15:42] | |Torg|: | I wopuld say more loosly based upon IBMs, but yes |
| [20:16:21] | keith4_: | ew. apparently OS X's lvm implementation loses all of the data if a single disk dies |
| [20:16:37] | hnitsuj: | and linux' doesn't? |
| [20:16:37] | keith4_: | at any rate, i F'd mine up royally, thanks to being in a hurry |
| [20:16:41] | keith4_: | no |
| [20:16:47] | |Torg|: | IBM made what we genericly call LVM in the early 90's HP put it in verion 10.0 which puts it at or about 1995 |
| [20:17:01] | keith4_: | as someone mentioned earlier, you just lose the data on that disk. the rest of the LVM is okay |
| [20:17:18] | |Torg|: | loosing disks is a matter of raid tho, not LVM |
| [20:17:26] | |Torg|: | altho most LVM is built on top of raid |
| [20:17:43] | hnitsuj: | keith4_: just take solace in the fact that if you'd been asked to confirm the action a couple of dozen times every time you ran the management command, you'd prolly have blindly pressed 'ok' that many times & still cocked it up ;) |
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| [20:18:07] | hnitsuj: | are you sure? DUH |
| [20:18:13] | hnitsuj: | oh shiiiiiiiit! ;) |
| [20:18:41] | keith4_: | hnitsuj: imho, it shouldn't warn you that you might step on a filesystem unless you are *actually stepping on a filesystem* during the shrink |
| [20:18:50] | keith4_: | because i'm just like "oh, it always says that. no big deal" |
| [20:18:53] | keith4_: | WRONG |
| [20:19:00] | ** keith4_ cries in the corner ** | |
| [20:19:32] | keith4_: | all those episodes of America's Test Kitchen that I'll never get to watch |
| [20:20:03] | jackson: | keith4_, heh, won't they repeat? |
| [20:20:09] | keith4_: | yah, they will |
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| [20:20:15] | black_Nightmare_: | hey |
| [20:20:18] | hnitsuj: | I was the guy who'd spent all his spare moments for the best part of a fortnight installing gentoo, patching the kernel, making a dvb tuner worky, then getting mythtv & lirc etc going – then a short while later (as my regular user, with root privs (CBA with sudo back then!) ) rm -rf / DOH |
| [20:20:41] | hnitsuj: | thankfully it didn't take quite as long to get going again ;) |
| [20:21:10] | keith4_: | i go through frontends like it's my job. just can't keep myself from using old, 20G disks |
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| [20:21:13] | hnitsuj: | I still didn't get out of the bad habit of being root all the time til I joined the ubuntu cult |
| [20:21:38] | keith4_: | thankfully, netboot installing debian and turning it into a frontend takes about 10 minutes, start to finish |
| [20:21:41] | hnitsuj: | even sudo can't stop you doing really stupid stuff if you use it a lot |
| [20:22:25] | |Torg|: | nothing will truly stop stupidty, even performacne tuning is nothign more then fixing stipud architector or implienation mistakes |
| [20:23:03] | hnitsuj: | you know I've been known to say I've never had any problems with my via based backend? yeah well only when I don't run lmsensors! oopsie |
| [20:23:22] | keith4_: | someone was telling me that a mac mini should be able to handle 1080i livetv, at 1920x1080 output. any truth to this? |
| [20:23:29] | hnitsuj: | keith4_: aye |
| [20:23:38] | hnitsuj: | intel mac mini, one of the core2 duo jobbies |
| [20:23:50] | keith4_: | even the "low-end" one they currently sell? |
| [20:23:50] | hnitsuj: | well, certainly core2 anyway |
| [20:23:59] | iamlindoro__: | I'm that someone, speaking from experience-- just buy one with a C2D and Intel graphics instead of one of the old ones |
| [20:24:06] | hnitsuj: | 1.83Ghz? should cope easy |
| [20:24:19] | |Torg|: | not *easily* but mostly |
| [20:24:24] | iamlindoro__: | keith4_, easily for our shit-ass American MPEG-2 poop-o-vision |
| [20:24:38] | jackson: | you fellas with the mac minis, you stick with os x, or do you use linux? |
| [20:24:39] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, am i required? does someone need advice on better h264 playback? |
| [20:24:57] | keith4_: | also needs to be able to playback divx and h264 movies at 1920x1080 |
| [20:25:00] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, Hehehe, Well he hasn't *technically* asked about h.264 yet |
| [20:25:00] | hnitsuj: | mmmmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMMMMMMM.. M.M.M.M.M.... |
| [20:25:03] | black_Nightmare_: | jackson...heh well if it somehow was me I'll rather pick netbsd/ppc – to our own of course ^_^ |
| [20:25:04] | iamlindoro__: | uh oh |
| [20:25:06] | iamlindoro__: | here comes... |
| [20:25:10] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, go |
| [20:25:13] | directhex: | MOAR MHZ! |
| [20:25:27] | keith4_: | 3.0 HT? |
| [20:25:33] | hnitsuj: | rolf |
| [20:25:34] | directhex: | MOAR, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, MOAR! |
| [20:25:38] | keith4_: | lol |
| [20:25:39] | |Torg|: | a p4 3GZ runs about 60% on both cores with xvmc on h262 1080i |
| [20:25:42] | directhex: | 3.0 as in pentium 4? no bloody chance |
| [20:25:52] | keith4_: | shit |
| [20:25:53] | iamlindoro__: | Can we *please* install a bot so that I can go !bitrate and it will explain the concept of 1080p != 1080p != 1080p goddammit? |
| [20:26:10] | directhex: | iamlindoro, it's 1080p if the torrent said "hdtv" ;) |
| [20:26:13] | |Torg|: | how about 1088 :) |
| [20:26:53] | hnitsuj: | mplayer foo.bar.episode.x.of.y.group-name-r00l.hd-dvdrip_1080p_MOAR_MHZ.mkv |
| [20:26:56] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, Heheh... I mean, I *do* so love explaining that a 10 Mbit Haxx0rv1s10n file is not the same as a 40 Mbit Disk, but... |
| [20:27:06] | keith4_: | well, i'm not talking about 1080p content, until i can figure out how to make the pesky PS3 rip bluray |
| [20:27:20] | directhex: | with lots of effort, and a sucky ps3 linux install |
| [20:27:31] | keith4_: | sucky? i got debian on the ps3 |
| [20:27:34] | keith4_: | or was it ubuntu? |
| [20:27:38] | ** keith4_ shrugs ** | |
| [20:28:01] | keith4_: | alright, screw h264 |
| [20:28:10] | keith4_: | i just want to watch 1080i live tv, mpeg2 |
| [20:28:17] | directhex: | keith4_, sucky as in "the ability to shoehorn something does not make the experience worthwhile" |
| [20:28:25] | keith4_: | true |
| [20:28:26] | iamlindoro__: | keith4_, In answer to your question, I have tun 1080i h.264 broadcast streams on the 2.0 Ghz version of the Mac Mini, in linux, without issue |
| [20:28:31] | iamlindoro__: | er run |
| [20:28:54] | keith4_: | i don't think RCN knows that h.264 is, much less has the infrastructure for it |
| [20:29:02] | keith4_: | what, rather |
| [20:29:07] | |Torg|: | where do you get h264 brodcast streams in the US? |
| [20:29:14] | iamlindoro__: | That's 1080i h.264 up to 19ish MBit/s... which is enough power for anything less than a real straight-from-the-disk Blu-ray rip |
| [20:29:43] | jackson: | I will sacrifice1 golden calf when Intel developes and releases hw accel h.264 X drivers |
| [20:29:58] | keith4_: | you have more than 1 golden calf? |
| [20:30:28] | jackson: | well, I shouldn't promise more than 1... |
| [20:30:33] | iamlindoro__: | keith4_, So anyway, if it's anything short of real full-on 40 Mbit Blu-ray Content, the higher-end Mini will handle it without complaint, keeping in mind it will need to be played multithreaded and will a few little tweaks |
| [20:31:50] | keith4_: | i'm still pissed about this. i have a nice, quiet, crappy dell that could do this.. but it only has a halfheightt, PCI-E x1 slot, and there isn't a decent video card on this entire earth for that |
| [20:32:00] | iamlindoro__: | And I've managed to play up to 40 Mbit/s h.264 on a C2D E4500 @ 2.2 Ghz with a little effort, so the 2.0 Ghz Mini is really right on the cusp of being able to do it |
| [20:32:15] | keith4_: | where do you get h.264 content? |
| [20:32:22] | iamlindoro__: | Off of Blu-ray disks |
| [20:32:27] | keith4_: | meh |
| [20:32:59] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, how's vc1? |
| [20:33:28] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, Seems to play fairly well also-- I only have one or two disks that are in VC1... 300 Maybe? And Maybe one or two others |
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| [20:33:59] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, I know it's theoretically not as well optimized, but perhaps bitrates have worked in my favor and let me play the few things I have without issue |
| [20:34:44] | iamlindoro__: | yeah, looks like 300 is VC1, as is King Kong... bound to be a few others in there too |
| [20:34:51] | iamlindoro__: | but mostly straight h.264 |
| [20:35:10] | keith4_: | ugh, the higher mac mini is like 50% more than the baseline one |
| [20:35:32] | keith4_: | why can't i get the faster cpu without the dvd burner and big disk. dammit! |
| [20:37:11] | iamlindoro__: | keith4_, Could always get the lower end, buy a $75 E4500, and make it a 2.2 Ghz Mini :) |
| [20:37:32] | keith4_: | hmmm, true |
| [20:37:43] | keith4_: | just seems like a lot to spend on this project |
| [20:37:53] | keith4_: | ... not the $75, the $579 mac mini |
| [20:38:08] | black_Nightmare_: | keith4...thats the snag with apple at times .. not much customizeability |
| [20:38:19] | black_Nightmare_: | guess its your pick toward more spending or not |
| [20:39:03] | keith4_: | iamlindoro__: what distro do you run on your mini? |
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| [20:39:31] | lwizardl: | hi |
| [20:39:35] | lwizardl: | ok problem |
| [20:39:36] | iamlindoro__: | keith4_, It's not mine, used it to build a Myth frontend w/ a friend-- Was straight Ubuntu |
| [20:40:08] | keith4_: | I bet I could squeeze the necessary performance out of the 1.83Ghz c2d, without all the ubuntu bloat |
| [20:40:15] | black_Nightmare_: | keith4...at least I think you may usually be able to just buy the system (whatever it is) and find drive upgrades ... even the entire G4 powerbook series was like that with thirdparty combo/superdrive options |
| [20:40:20] | lwizardl: | when i go into watch tv my display shows the screen for a second then goes 16:9 and blue screen |
| [20:40:43] | keith4_: | lwizardl: what's in mythbackend.log? |
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| [20:41:05] | lwizardl: | where is that kept? |
| [20:41:39] | iamlindoro__: | keith4_, I've some experience across a range of un-bloated systems with high-bitrate stuff-- you won't get the highest bitrate stuff working on a 1.83 Ghz machine... that said, it appears you are mostly concerned with Broadcast and xvid type stuff, which the 1.83 will handle without issue |
| [20:42:16] | keith4_: | i'm still incredulous about the mini's video being able to handle this |
| [20:42:29] | iamlindoro__: | keith4_, And I don't think you'd have any issue with h.264 up to 20 Mbit or so-- beyond that I think you would, but the only stuff above 20 Mbit is untranscoded BluRay/HD-DVD material |
| [20:42:42] | hnitsuj: | why? it's not as if there's any h.264 acceleration available to linux yet |
| [20:42:51] | directhex: | keith4_, why? you don't get GPU acceleration for non-mpeg2 in linux |
| [20:42:58] | directhex: | keith4_, xv is xv is xv. gl is gl is gl |
| [20:43:06] | |Torg|: | there is no h262 accel either |
| [20:43:14] | hnitsuj: | directhex: apart from via gl of course ;) |
| [20:45:57] | directhex: | |Torg|, no mpeg2 acceleration? |
| [20:46:04] | lwizardl: | keith4_, http://pastebin.ca/932563 |
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| [20:46:10] | jackson: | isn't h.262 mpeg2? |
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| [20:46:14] | iamlindoro__: | yes |
| [20:46:32] | keith4_: | i dunno, i've always just carried the nvidia flag. the intel onboard stuff scares me |
| [20:46:35] | |Torg|: | h262 is US brodcast ATSC mpeg2 |
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| [20:46:49] | iamlindoro__: | Which can certainly be accelerated... |
| [20:47:08] | jackson: | by way of XvMC, correct? |
| [20:47:12] | iamlindoro__: | yup |
| [20:47:14] | |Torg|: | unless you are talking about xvmc, how else? |
| [20:47:34] | iamlindoro__: | Yes, we are... so how is that not h.262/MPEG-2 Acceleration? |
| [20:47:50] | jackson: | and there is xvmc support by some via, intel, and nvidia chips. |
| [20:48:05] | |Torg|: | it hardly saves much for it, and it s a big "it depends" on how much it can really save |
| [20:48:25] | iamlindoro__: | That's an awful different statement than "there is no h262 accel either" |
| [20:48:38] | iamlindoro__: | Sounds like revisionist history to me. :) |
| [20:48:58] | directhex: | i say po-tay-to, the ITU Telecommunication Standardization Sector says po-tah-to |
| [20:49:18] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, except generally at lower bitrates and inferior standards ;) |
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| [20:51:50] | lwizardl: | how do i fix this mythtv issue |
| [20:52:25] | keith4_: | lwizardl: backend and frontend on the same box? |
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| [20:52:34] | lwizardl: | my screen goes into 16:9 and blue screens |
| [20:52:37] | lwizardl: | keith4_, yes |
| [20:52:52] | ** iamlindoro__ wonders which ATI card he has... ** | |
| [20:52:59] | iamlindoro__: | *shudder* |
| [20:53:56] | keith4_: | lwizardl: these lines from your log seem to be prudent: |
| [20:53:58] | keith4_: | # |
| [20:53:58] | keith4_: | ERROR: no valid capture cards are defined in the database. |
| [20:53:58] | keith4_: | # |
| [20:53:58] | keith4_: | Perhaps you should read the installation instructions? |
| [20:54:38] | lwizardl: | hmm |
| [20:55:08] | iamlindoro__: | looks like that's from his last startup before the current one |
| [20:55:19] | keith4_: | oh? let me take another look |
| [20:55:25] | iamlindoro__: | When he tries to watch TV it *does* to to HWTuner 1 |
| [20:55:28] | keith4_: | (i just searched for "error") |
| [20:55:50] | iamlindoro__: | I suspect Video driver issues as there is no error and it goes back to None |
| [20:56:06] | keith4_: | what about this? "Preview Error: Previewer file '/var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1081_20080307153743.mpg' is not valid." |
| [20:56:07] | iamlindoro__: | (or permissions errors on the recording dir) |
| [20:56:10] | keith4_: | yah |
| [20:56:29] | keith4_: | lwizardl: make sure mythtv (or whatver user it runs as) can write to /var/lib/mythtv/recordings |
| [20:56:36] | lwizardl: | that dir i chmod 777 |
| [20:56:44] | iamlindoro__: | lwizardl, What GPU and driver? |
| [20:56:46] | keith4_: | is there anything in it? |
| [20:56:48] | clever: | im bored |
| [20:56:55] | clever: | so im commenting out bits of mmx assembly |
| [20:57:02] | clever: | to see how it breaks video decoding |
| [20:57:26] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, Intel 828456 |
| [20:57:27] | keith4_: | my guess would be "thoroughyl" |
| [20:57:46] | clever: | that peice i just hit may confused the js by shifting the opcodes a few bytes in the code |
| [20:57:46] | directhex: | intel who? |
| [20:57:54] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, exactly |
| [20:57:58] | clever: | keith4_: so far i commented out a randon add $32 and nothing broke! |
| [20:58:11] | lwizardl: | keith4_, only file in the dir is nfslockfile.lock |
| [20:58:22] | clever: | it feels like its adding 32 to REG_a and then using that for the js condition |
| [20:58:34] | clever: | but it seems to still function just fine when 'broken' |
| [20:58:45] | lwizardl: | its on onboard video card i'm using |
| [20:58:50] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, the 6 is spurious. i845 |
| [20:58:51] | iamlindoro__: | Sounds like Intel 815 |
| [20:58:52] | keith4_: | lwizardl: did this ever work? |
| [20:59:04] | lwizardl: | keith4_, yes for analog |
| [20:59:16] | keith4_: | what exactly do you mean by that? |
| [20:59:20] | iamlindoro__: | MOAR GPU |
| [20:59:55] | lwizardl: | keith4_, channels like 3, 7, 8, 17, etc not channels like 3_1, 7_1, 8_1, 17_1, etc |
| [21:00:40] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, MOAR GPU? |
| [21:00:47] | noige: | greetings dudes |
| [21:00:58] | ** iamlindoro__ feels like he is talking to the Zork parser again ** | |
| [21:01:04] | noige: | is the schedules direct data borked for San Francisco? |
| [21:01:06] | directhex: | flip i810 for intel, or vice versa |
| [21:01:08] | keith4_: | go east |
| [21:01:10] | iamlindoro__: | It is pitch black in here... you are likely to be eaten by a Grue. |
| [21:01:22] | iamlindoro__: | noige, nope |
| [21:01:39] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, you are bringing back old memories from my childhood |
| [21:01:39] | iamlindoro__: | noige, well, depending on what you mean anyway |
| [21:01:41] | noige: | ok |
| [21:01:55] | iamlindoro__: | noige, borked how? |
| [21:02:02] | noige: | so you might know then, why is cartoon network showing up as channel 55 (disney) instead of 54 |
| [21:02:28] | iamlindoro__: | noige, for me it's not :) |
| [21:02:33] | noige: | hmm |
| [21:02:33] | keith4_: | noige: perhaps your provider changed channels? |
| [21:02:35] | keith4_: | i hate when they do that |
| [21:02:52] | iamlindoro__: | noige, mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates --refresh-all |
| [21:02:54] | noige: | I think I will just drop the channel table and have mythfilldatabase recreate it |
| [21:02:59] | noige: | iamlindoro__: good call |
| [21:03:44] | noige: | I am only using about .0001% of the functionality that mythtv has and I am so impressed |
| [21:04:01] | noige: | I need to get the game streaming working as well as HBO |
| [21:04:07] | noige: | then I will be totally stoked |
| [21:04:12] | noige: | anyhow |
| [21:04:15] | noige: | thanks dudes |
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| [21:06:36] | clever: | keith4_: lol |
| [21:06:46] | clever: | i commented out a punpcklbw which appeared to be something vital |
| [21:06:50] | clever: | and still no breaky! |
| [21:07:39] | keith4_: | ... game streaming? |
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| [21:10:47] | ** directhex is listening to: The Smashing Pumpkins – Sacred & Profane tour (Wembley Arena) – Porcelina of the Vast Oceans – (1:14/11:39) ** | |
| [21:10:51] | directhex: | whoops, wrong button |
| [21:10:59] | ** PatrickDK kicks directhex ** | |
| [21:11:08] | directhex: | they all look alike to me! |
| [21:11:21] | PatrickDK: | or do we need to make a mythtv plugin so we all can do a notice for what we are currently watching? |
| [21:11:36] | lwizardl: | ok still nothing i just ran mythfilldatabase again and no error in terminal, but back in myth same blue screen |
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| [21:12:07] | hnitsuj: | a phone module to tell whoever is calling to "sod off, I'm watching $foo with X minutes remaining" might be nice |
| [21:12:23] | PatrickDK: | heh |
| [21:12:45] | PatrickDK: | sod off, I'm watching porn with 28 min remaining |
| [21:12:45] | jackson: | yeah, and just my luck, my mom calls when I'm watching a naughty program. |
| [21:13:48] | fryfrog: | nothing like answering the phone with one hand while your other is on your hob nob... "hi mom!" |
| [21:13:51] | fryfrog: | :/ |
| [21:14:08] | jackson: | "Uh mom, it's a nature show" |
| [21:14:21] | PatrickDK: | about human nature |
| [21:17:15] | lwizardl: | could it be my video card doesn't like the digital streams? |
| [21:17:52] | iamlindoro__: | Yes, that chipset only accepts images in analog waveforms |
| [21:18:19] | jackson: | lwizardl, are you watching the output of mythfrontend (say in a console)? |
| [21:20:32] | clever: | keith4_: finaly! |
| [21:20:41] | clever: | took 3 tries but i finaly hit a key peice of asm |
| [21:20:58] | clever: | small bits of garbage scatered arround the screen now:) |
| [21:21:23] | keith4_: | you need something better to do with your time |
| [21:21:34] | clever: | yeah:P |
| [21:21:36] | iamlindoro__: | Thank god we don't have any important diseases that need curing |
| [21:21:58] | clever: | ive looked into genetic programing but finding a sim for it isnt easy |
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| [21:22:03] | iamlindoro__: | And MythTV is already perfect and feature-complete |
| [21:22:06] | jackson: | yeah, impotence has already been taken care of. |
| [21:22:33] | clever: | on one of the forums i was on 1 board declared a 'spam war' on the other |
| [21:22:45] | clever: | which was the perfect time to test a new js hole in the forum |
| [21:22:58] | clever: | 30 seconds of tweaking a old .js file made a new one |
| [21:22:59] | hnitsuj: | just goes to show how evil, crap & pointless forums are |
| [21:23:06] | clever: | you even look at my 'infected' posts |
| [21:23:16] | clever: | and you automaticaly post a spam thread in a certain forum |
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| [21:23:39] | fryfrog: | thats horrible :p |
| [21:23:43] | hnitsuj: | well, time to watch a copious amount of recorded telly |
| [21:23:48] | iamlindoro__: | I love how the internet somehow abstracts totally unacceptable behavios for some people... |
| [21:23:50] | clever: | and its given me even more deadly ideas:P |
| [21:23:50] | clever: | i could edit the sig to insert the code |
| [21:23:51] | clever: | automaticaly |
| [21:23:59] | clever: | so every new post you make it 'infected' |
| [21:24:21] | clever: | but i havent done it because i know the site admin will kill me:P |
| [21:24:51] | keith4_: | if only you could spend some of that time finding me a half height, pci express x1 nvidia graphics card |
| [21:25:02] | clever: | google! |
| [21:25:07] | clever: | hack saw! |
| [21:25:09] | clever: | done:P |
| [21:25:27] | clever: | ive got a pile of pcie ati cards |
| [21:25:33] | clever: | who wants a few coasters? |
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| [21:26:53] | black_Nightmare_: | clever heh which series are these ati? |
| [21:27:01] | ** clever goes to fetch one ** | |
| [21:28:20] | black_Nightmare_: | hmm which of that reminds me |
| [21:28:43] | clever: | fireball i think |
| [21:28:58] | black_Nightmare_: | only just asking but was it only the Live!'s that had these front audio bay thing? or did any later cards also support similar bays too? |
| [21:29:07] | black_Nightmare_: | ah hmm let someone else have them clever ;) |
| [21:29:32] | clever: | dvi&vga out |
| [21:30:41] | keith4_: | oh sweet. the apple remote works for mythtv |
| [21:31:13] | clever: | black_Nightmare_: got about 5 of those cards |
| [21:31:24] | clever: | the UI bg colors where going black for some reason |
| [21:31:29] | clever: | software install was fixing it |
| [21:31:56] | clever: | and the company sent out a new batch of vid cards to shove in with another total software reinstall to fix it for good |
| [21:32:07] | clever: | which left us with 5+ cards no1 wanted returned |
| [21:32:17] | black_Nightmare_: | heh I see |
| [21:32:26] | black_Nightmare_: | I'm not into pci-e yet myself so ^_^ |
| [21:32:33] | clever: | no pcie slots here either |
| [21:32:36] | clever: | paper weights:P |
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| [21:33:28] | black_Nightmare_: | heheh |
| [21:33:38] | clever: | firegl 3100 |
| [21:33:40] | black_Nightmare_: | well I don't think I quite need 64bit 2ghz yet ;) |
| [21:33:51] | black_Nightmare_: | either way just wondering if you had any thought on my audio question or not really? |
| [21:34:03] | clever: | brb |
| [21:34:33] | orthoevra: | what is the file to edit in a theme to set image for phone and netflix items? |
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| [21:35:33] | clever: | look thru the images for the icon on some other menu item |
| [21:35:35] | bsdfox_: | black_Nightmare_ only uses < 500mhz systems |
| [21:35:42] | clever: | them grep that files name out of the theme xml file |
| [21:35:49] | clever: | and use its placement as an example |
| [21:35:50] | directhex: | he could have a 1ghz epia. that'd be slowtastic! |
| [21:36:20] | jackson: | oh gawd, I was listening to the regional news – a fella commited suicide by hanging himself from a natural gas line or something. While he was dangling there the gas line broke filling the room until a pilot light flicked on and blew the place up. |
| [21:36:33] | bsdfox_: | 350mhz k6–2 I think |
| [21:36:39] | clever: | back |
| [21:37:00] | black_Nightmare_: | bsdfox...heh how many do you have? |
| [21:37:10] | bsdfox_: | 1 |
| [21:37:17] | black_Nightmare_: | then whats with the 's' in systems? :p |
| [21:37:38] | bsdfox_: | I'm talking about you |
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| [21:38:09] | bsdfox_: | how many computers do I have or how many below 500mhz? I have way too many computers |
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| [21:38:49] | Deek: | I still got one below 500MHz; it runs OpenStep. :) |
| [21:38:59] | clever: | bsdfox_: i have 3 on right now below 500mhz, 1 of which is able to play SD tv in myth, but the menu's are slushish |
| [21:39:25] | directhex: | note: it's 2008 |
| [21:39:27] | black_Nightmare_: | well I could have had liked a 733–1000mhz card upgrade but it'll just be too expensive to be really worth it anyhow |
| [21:39:29] | bsdfox_: | the router in my yard is a p2–450 |
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| [21:39:54] | directhex: | a ten year old pc is just as enticing as ten year old meat |
| [21:40:04] | Deek: | (I use it to mess with NeXT/OpenStep programs) |
| [21:40:10] | bsdfox_: | black_Nightmare_: considering you can get a dual core/mobo/2g ram for like $150 it's ridiculous to spend money on old stuff |
| [21:40:30] | iamlindoro__: | At least ten year old meat turns to dust and blows away |
| [21:40:45] | directhex: | bsdfox_, some people can't be taught. someone in the local LUG insists SPARC is the best thing ever, and that sun's £2500 1.4ghz sparc workstation is a great desktop computer |
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| [21:40:54] | bsdfox_: | it is |
| [21:41:00] | black_Nightmare_: | bsdfox... there's no dualcore option for the board I have meh :p |
| [21:41:20] | directhex: | bsdfox_, sparc can jump off a cliff |
| [21:41:22] | bsdfox_: | dude I got a 2.2ghz e2200+mobo for $78.. 4gb ram for $70 |
| [21:41:35] | black_Nightmare_: | directhex...heh...I'll only consider a sparc for as a spare system to poke around with but otherwise no thanks ^_^ |
| [21:41:38] | bsdfox_: | oldschool sparc was fast |
| [21:41:46] | directhex: | bsdfox_, and never got faster |
| [21:42:02] | directhex: | last time i asked a sun salesman about sparc, he laughed at me and directed me to sun;s opteron kit |
| [21:42:25] | AndyCap: | ah, slowlaris. |
| [21:42:40] | bsdfox_: | my board runs the cpu at 2.93ghz too |
| [21:43:19] | ** Deek wonders if there's a way to automatically prevent unknown episodes of a show from recording ** | |
| [21:44:31] | Deek: | oooh, there is. |
| [21:44:46] | iamlindoro__: | Yup, exclude Generic episodes |
| [21:45:54] | directhex: | good god i love this track. one of the few good things to come from the 1980s |
| [21:46:24] | jduggan: | other than me? |
| [21:46:24] | jduggan: | :o |
| [21:46:25] | directhex: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crockett's_Theme |
| [21:46:36] | jduggan: | what track is that |
| [21:49:36] | AndyCap: | Uhh? covers, such as ones by the Finnish heavy metal band Children of Bodom, |
| [21:50:53] | directhex: | and now some pink floyd. rhythmbox loves me tonight |
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| [21:54:00] | Deek: | btw, I love "Travels to the Edge". |
| [21:54:40] | Deek: | great HD program, just for the visuals. |
| [21:55:19] | jduggan: | planet earth in HD is pretty decent |
| [21:55:20] | jduggan: | :) |
| [21:56:18] | Deek: | Yeah, but there're only a few episodes of that — TttE is also available OTA on PBS HD. |
| [21:56:28] | iamlindoro__: | jduggan, Amongst the very best examples of HD there is. I was also incredibly impressed with the visual quality of "Across the Universe" on Blu-ray recently |
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| [21:57:07] | iamlindoro__: | jduggan, It's another one of those "show-off" pieces for your Home Theater |
| [21:57:22] | jduggan: | Deek: Planet Earth is also an extraordinary documentary series, regardless of its visual richness |
| [21:57:22] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, of the blu-rays in my house, know what impresses me most? it's not what you'd expect |
| [21:57:25] | jduggan: | :) |
| [21:57:40] | Deek: | jduggan: No disagreement there, I loved it. |
| [21:57:43] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, do tell |
| [21:58:11] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, a scanner darkly |
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| [21:58:29] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, Ah, never saw it in the first place... good? |
| [21:58:46] | KjetilK: | so, blu-ray playback on myth is here? |
| [21:58:48] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, haven't found time to watch it properly, just put it in the drive for a spin |
| [21:58:56] | jduggan: | eew animation :) |
| [21:59:21] | iamlindoro__: | KjetilK, Only through a pretty labor-intensive process of ripping the movies, patching mplayer, and assigning each movie a custom player command |
| [21:59:31] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, but compared to the others (dawn of the dead, for ye olde film grai goodness) and casino royale (which is modern and supposedly pretty), nothing gets as much "wow" as the most phenomenally clean lines on cel-animation |
| [21:59:40] | KjetilK: | iamlindoro__: ah, ok |
| [21:59:43] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, oh, ice age 2 is the other one i watched properly. couldn't tell the difference |
| [22:00:23] | sphery: | .sb c |
| [22:00:26] | sphery: | oops |
| [22:00:36] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, I gotcha. Yeah, I can imagine that would look good |
| [22:00:54] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, plus i wanted to watch it when it was at the movies & missed it |
| [22:01:12] | KjetilK: | hmmmm, my recordings appear black, even though I can watch TV on my box now |
| [22:01:16] | iamlindoro__: | Hollywood has a way of effing up every Phillip K Dick Story |
| [22:01:27] | A_: | e.g. paycheck |
| [22:01:37] | Dibblah: | ... And Heinlen. |
| [22:01:40] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, yeah, but what is life without hope |
| [22:01:58] | directhex: | and where the fark is my twelve monkeys dvd? srsly, not cool. where's it gone? |
| [22:02:00] | Dibblah: | I mean, they didn't even read the back cover of Starship Troopers. |
| [22:02:15] | A_: | well starship troopers did have the redeaming factor of NPH, so it was not all bad |
| [22:02:30] | A_: | Dibblah: they had the story already written and then purchased the film rights |
| [22:03:10] | A_: | A report in an American Cinematographer article contemporaneous with the film's release states the Heinlein novel was optioned well into the pre-production period of the film, which had a working title of Bug Hunt at Outpost Nine; most of the writing team reportedly were unaware of the novel at the time |
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| [22:03:18] | A_: | -wikipedia so take that for what it is worth |
| [22:03:18] | Deek: | I liked "Troopers", personally. Yeah, it wasn't the book, but it didn't need to be IMO. |
| [22:03:45] | Dibblah: | So why call it Starship Troopers, then? |
| [22:03:52] | A_: | they should have kept it as Bug Hunt, left the starship troopers elements out of it |
| [22:03:56] | directhex: | was starship troopers gears of war with more realisticly shaped people/ i forget |
| [22:04:18] | A_: | Dibblah: marketing? |
| [22:04:35] | directhex: | what have i started :o :( |
| [22:04:56] | Deek: | A_: The original screenplay was based on the world of the book. |
| [22:05:03] | directhex: | the only good thing "based" on philip k dick material is the westwood point-and-click game "blade runner". there you go :p |
| [22:05:05] | Deek: | Not the book itself. |
| [22:05:11] | A_: | Deek: source? |
| [22:05:21] | A_: | not that I don't beleave you, just would like to know more ;) |
| [22:05:37] | Deek: | A_: commentary :) |
| [22:05:37] | A_: | ah nice |
| [22:05:43] | A_: | I might have to rent it and watch it with commentary |
| [22:05:57] | Deek: | There's a director+writer commentary |
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| [22:06:23] | A_: | if I didn't know that it would get screwed up, I'd love to see a film that is directly adapted from the book |
| [22:06:51] | Deek: | Verhoeven didn't think he would get away with putting Doogie Howser in an SS uniform. |
| [22:07:33] | Deek: | He expected it to get smacked down and replaced with something a little tamer. |
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| [22:08:42] | iamlindoro__: | I remember when he made his two good movies... |
| [22:08:44] | Deek: | Sure, _Troopers_ isn't a Nazi society, but it is certainly fascist. |
| [22:09:33] | Dibblah: | The only film I thought was _good_ after reading was LoTR :( |
| [22:09:53] | directhex: | there are bigger crimes against humanity |
| [22:09:54] | Dibblah: | Bit compressed in places, but the tale made it through. |
| [22:09:54] | iamlindoro__: | I know this will be an unpopular opinion here, but I hated LotR in all its forms |
| [22:09:59] | directhex: | videogame adaptations! |
| [22:10:09] | Deek: | And the only way to really deliver fascism on the screen these days is with Nazi imagery. |
| [22:10:14] | Dibblah: | Well, and TCoM. |
| [22:10:21] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, i've failed to read the books. i don't have the attention span for a book which breaks into song in elvish at random |
| [22:10:29] | Dibblah: | ... But then I am a bit of a Pratchett geek. |
| [22:10:36] | KjetilK: | my livetv recordings are fine now, but my scheduled recordings are all black. Any idea where I can start debugging that problem? |
| [22:10:48] | directhex: | Dibblah, not out yet is it? |
| [22:10:49] | Deek: | (of course, it helped that Verhoeven grew up in occupied Netherlands) |
| [22:11:00] | orthoevra: | ugh.. manually updating metadata for 300+ movies is not aweseom |
| [22:11:07] | directhex: | orthoevra, correct |
| [22:11:08] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, Don't get me wrong, it's visually... interesting... in the movies, but I just couldn't care less about the characters |
| [22:11:22] | iamlindoro__: | orthoevra, Why are you doing it manually? |
| [22:11:29] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, but the gay frodo/sam thing is just like brokeback mountain |
| [22:11:31] | directhex: | but with orcs! |
| [22:11:43] | Dibblah: | Errr... My brain – It is melting. |
| [22:11:49] | orthoevra: | iamlindoro: dont tell me u have a script for that too?! |
| [22:11:52] | Dibblah: | The Hogfather, I meant, of course. |
| [22:11:55] | Deek: | iamlindoro__: I didn't really like LotR (books) either — too simple. |
| [22:12:17] | directhex: | Dibblah, i was disappointed that the torrents i downloaded from "sky hd" were analog sub-SD capture |
| [22:12:24] | directhex: | Dibblah, and i thought they over-compressed some of it |
| [22:12:30] | iamlindoro__: | orthoevra, Well, the movie one isn't my script, but I have a few that compliment it-- Anyway, I'd use the imdb_bulk_updater.pl script if I had 300 movies |
| [22:12:32] | Deek: | The heroes are Good Guys, the villains are Bad Guys, and there's not much space between. |
| [22:12:46] | Dibblah: | Deek: You'd have preferred to see the richness of detail that was Battlefield Earth? |
| [22:13:03] | orthoevra: | iamlindoro: how accurate is it and is it already installed with myth? |
| [22:13:06] | Deek: | Dibblah: Same thing. |
| [22:13:08] | Dibblah: | Oh, another film conversion that sucked oranges through hosepipes. |
| [22:13:23] | jackson: | Dibblah, that movie was awesome! |
| [22:13:25] | ** jackson ducks ** | |
| [22:13:27] | Deek: | Dibblah: Nope, the book was crap too. |
| [22:13:30] | iamlindoro__: | orthoevra, as accurate as the myth imdb script, and no. http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7077 |
| [22:13:32] | directhex: | hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy? |
| [22:13:33] | Dibblah: | The _book_? |
| [22:13:43] | orthoevra: | iamlindoro: ok imna try it out |
| [22:13:44] | iamlindoro__: | orthoevra, My script is at the top of that page. the IMDB bulk script is linked in the third or fourth post |
| [22:13:46] | Dibblah: | You've seen Battlefield Earth, the bookshelf? |
| [22:13:57] | jackson: | I actually loved the book battlefield earth (when I was in 5th grade) |
| [22:14:05] | Deek: | Dibblah: _Battlefield_Earth_, yes — the (single) book. |
| [22:14:15] | iamlindoro__: | orthoevra, Run the imdb one (not mine) first, then you can use mine for TV shows, lengths, thumbnail generation of non-movie files |
| [22:14:39] | orthoevra: | basically i just need directory, plot, year i have the thubs already |
| [22:14:43] | orthoevra: | thumbs* |
| [22:14:58] | Deek: | BE is Scieno propaganda. |
| [22:15:03] | directhex: | this house suggests that neil gaiman's sandman could make for excellent source material to be adapted to an adult animated series. discuss |
| [22:15:03] | iamlindoro__: | orthoevra, Well, ok, but this script may replace those with posters |
| [22:15:29] | jackson: | Deek, no, battelfield earth was, but it's later 'decology' Mission Earth certainly was. |
| [22:15:34] | jackson: | er wasnt |
| [22:15:45] | Deek: | jackson: Oh, really? Who are the bad guys? |
| [22:15:57] | Deek: | What made them that way? |
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| [22:16:19] | jackson: | Deek, I understand what you are getting at, but to call it propoganda was a strech compared to Mission Earth. |
| [22:16:30] | iamlindoro__: | Silly Scientologists... I love it when they set up in shopping malls with their tin-can readers |
| [22:16:33] | clever[rev] is now known as clever | |
| [22:16:52] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, time to buy an EFG mask, matey |
| [22:17:09] | Dibblah: | Argh. Okay. I officially give up on remembering the names of things. |
| [22:17:20] | Dibblah: | Mission earth was what I was remembering. |
| [22:17:24] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, Heh, I love those guys |
| [22:17:24] | Deek: | jackson: Only in comparison to ME is BE not propaganda. :) |
| [22:17:58] | Deek: | jackson: M.E. just turned it up to 11. |
| [22:18:01] | jackson: | I actally reread BE a year ago and didn't find it that propogandist (and I'm not pro scientology at all) |
| [22:18:20] | directhex: | lol, wut? |
| [22:18:39] | Dibblah: | Well, it is 4k pages of badly written drivel. But it is actually entertaining enough. |
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| [22:19:09] | Deek: | jackson: In Scieno terms, Johnny Goodboy Tyler is a "natural clear", a superman. |
| [22:19:37] | directhex: | does he fail at failing? |
| [22:20:02] | Deek: | Everyone who opposes him is either a drug addict or evil and stupid. |
| [22:20:45] | jackson: | I think you are overanalysing it. |
| [22:21:01] | Deek: | (and the bad guys were made that way by, you guessed it, psychiatrists!) |
| [22:21:20] | directhex: | pool's closed |
| [22:21:54] | Deek: | jackson: nah, that's all right there on the surface. :) |
| [22:22:11] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, you'd appreciate my current track |
| [22:22:20] | iamlindoro__: | ? |
| [22:22:24] | ** directhex is listening to: Yasunori Mitsuda – Chrono Trigger OST – World Revolution – (2:57/3:48) ** | |
| [22:22:30] | iamlindoro__: | Mmm! |
| [22:22:42] | ** Dibblah is listening to Neighbors. ** | |
| [22:22:48] | directhex: | poor Dibblah |
| [22:22:53] | iamlindoro__: | I've been thinking about playing it through again recently, what with the massive suck of recent RPGs and all |
| [22:22:58] | Dibblah: | Not of choice, of course. |
| [22:23:03] | Dibblah: | by choice, even. |
| [22:23:19] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, well, it is the most epic of epic wins |
| [22:23:36] | Deek: | jackson: He even put in the "natural" runt, unaffected by the psychiatrists, to be the hero's friend. |
| [22:24:07] | ** directhex switches to some scientologist music ** | |
| [22:24:25] | Deek: | jackson: It's not necessarily _intentional_ propaganda (though it seems to be), but it's propaganda nonetheless. |
| [22:24:37] | iamlindoro__: | They should just go back to making isometric Top-down RPGs with no voice acting |
| [22:25:04] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, isometric? |
| [22:25:06] | iamlindoro__: | Same story, just no Tifa/Yuna/etc/etc |
| [22:25:37] | iamlindoro__: | by which I mean no tifa/Yuna voices |
| [22:26:06] | directhex: | how about they just make more frog lead characters? |
| [22:26:17] | iamlindoro__: | *TEEHEEEEHEEEEEEEEEE* Oh tidus, you so crayyyzeeeeee <brain explodes> |
| [22:26:56] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, They would *find a way* to screw that up |
| [22:27:05] | directhex: | or more purple-haired nerd chicks. can't go wrong with those |
| [22:27:34] | directhex: | wait, didn't lucca get a bit part in chrono "how many faceless player characters can we give you to choose from then?" cross |
| [22:27:41] | iamlindoro__: | I'd be okay with an Ico Sequel... Oh, I guess I could go play that/SotC |
| [22:28:08] | directhex: | sotc is dull |
| [22:28:17] | iamlindoro__: | And maybe this makes me lame, but both Kingdom Hearts games *do* rule |
| [22:28:30] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, But the PRETTIES! |
| [22:28:35] | directhex: | honestly, it's all style and no substance. the gameplay mechanics are very very... japanese (i.e. prone to being infuriatingly unforgiving) |
| [22:28:46] | directhex: | i got somewhere in kingdom hearts, but i kinda got bored |
| [22:29:05] | jackson: | Deek, ok, I'll conceede that it's black propoganda. |
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| [22:29:33] | Deek: | haha |
| [22:29:38] | directhex: | for my sins, i really got into .hack. it was just what i needed to absorb the early hours of the morning when i couldn't sleep, and i loved the unique setting |
| [22:30:10] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, Really liked them... I'll pretty much buy any KH game they put out now... they have a great way of putting a video at the end of each credits that makes you go..."Wait... what? HUH?? WHAT THE??" |
| [22:30:40] | iamlindoro__: | When the eff did this become hardcore RPG? Who the fuck are these people? MOAR GAMEZ!!! QUICK! |
| [22:31:13] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, i just haven't really felt anything for a square game since CT. the first fake ending, after the fight with magus, was a watershed moment for me. and then they pulled an "omg" moment again after the rather fatal first fight with lavos |
| [22:31:26] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, it's a pile of omg, and the soundtrack is largely to blame for that |
| [22:31:43] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, Heh, we're old men. "They don't make 'em like they used to... Hey! You kids get off my lawn!" |
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| [22:32:10] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, of course i'm an old man. i still have my NES hooked up! it'll be 19 years old this month! |
| [22:32:30] | ** iamlindoro__ had Robb the Robot. Yes. He's the one guy who had Robb. ** | |
| [22:32:46] | directhex: | wasn't gyromite terrible? |
| [22:32:59] | iamlindoro__: | horrible. I used to play it just with two controllers and my toes |
| [22:33:00] | Deek: | You mean the NES robot? |
| [22:33:16] | iamlindoro__: | yes |
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| [22:33:24] | iamlindoro__: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gyromite_ROB.jpg |
| [22:33:43] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, you know he's a racer in mario kart ds, right? |
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| [22:33:51] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, Heh, no, didn't know that |
| [22:34:05] | iamlindoro__: | Heh, apparently in SSB Brawl too |
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| [22:36:29] | directhex: | i'm playing KotOR currently. it's quite fun |
| [22:36:52] | iamlindoro__: | Yep, it's good until KOTOR 2 takes that goodwill and smashes it to pieces and then pisses on those pieces |
| [22:37:01] | directhex: | o rly? |
| [22:37:10] | iamlindoro__: | although... the guys restoring all the cut bits may be almost done |
| [22:37:20] | directhex: | no wai! |
| [22:37:43] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.team-gizka.org/ |
| [22:37:55] | iamlindoro__: | they're not done, but appear to be *awfully* close |
| [22:38:36] | iamlindoro__: | That and the Black Mesa Project are my two big hopes for this year |
| [22:39:19] | iamlindoro__: | Although I'm not sure BMP will ever be released, they seem to be dead in the water most of the time |
| [22:39:23] | directhex: | http://forums.team-gizka.org/viewtopic.php?t=1877 :( |
| [22:39:49] | directhex: | i want a next-gen They Hunger mod. remember that? that was ten kinds of awesome |
| [22:39:52] | iamlindoro__: | Ah, you're playing x-box versions huh |
| [22:39:57] | directhex: | it had zombie *MOOSES* |
| [22:40:23] | iamlindoro__: | Hehe... Have you seem BMP? It's *purty* |
| [22:40:38] | directhex: | i'll believe it. no c&d fro valve yet? |
| [22:40:43] | iamlindoro__: | nope |
| [22:40:54] | iamlindoro__: | I think it may even be in their mod tracker thingie |
| [22:41:11] | iamlindoro__: | i think Valve know they boned Half-life:Source pretty good |
| [22:41:33] | directhex: | no, no, hl:s had, um, some better water effects in one of the levels |
| [22:41:58] | iamlindoro__: | I don't think I played past Anomolous Materials |
| [22:42:03] | directhex: | are we bad people for wishnig for remakes and returns to the past, rather than enjoying the great strides forward taken by gaming? |
| [22:42:10] | iamlindoro__: | No |
| [22:42:26] | directhex: | think of some genuinely "next gen" games to compliment |
| [22:42:34] | directhex: | well. "current gen" now |
| [22:42:46] | iamlindoro__: | Erm.... Bioshock. Mass Effect. |
| [22:42:51] | Aval0n: | how close is .21 to a release? |
| [22:42:56] | iamlindoro__: | Close. |
| [22:42:58] | iamlindoro__: | Real close. |
| [22:43:01] | iamlindoro__: | Hecka close. |
| [22:43:05] | Aval0n: | very cool |
| [22:43:10] | jams: | dang it Aval0n you just delayed the release |
| [22:43:19] | directhex: | Aval0n, you can feel it breathing down your neck. but when you turn around, there's nobody there |
| [22:43:19] | iamlindoro__: | blue-balls inducingly close |
| [22:43:37] | directhex: | just a fluttering curtain and an open window |
| [22:43:50] | iamlindoro__: | Like the Dr. Who "Blink" Episode? |
| [22:43:51] | directhex: | "who's there? is that a mythtv release?" you cry |
| [22:43:55] | directhex: | and then the lights all go out |
| [22:45:49] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, http://www.blackwidowgames.com/ |
| [22:45:58] | iamlindoro__: | New They Hunger |
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| [22:47:56] | directhex: | \o/ |
| [22:48:01] | directhex: | taking their bloody time |
| [22:48:08] | directhex: | the previous 3 titles took 6 months each |
| [22:49:04] | directhex: | modern games to compliment: assassin's creed (despite some crummy reviews), dead rising (despite the difficulty curve from hell) |
| [22:49:09] | directhex: | viva pinata (no really) |
| [22:49:22] | iamlindoro__: | Otaku |
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| [22:49:34] | iamlindoro__: | scues me |
| [22:49:37] | iamlindoro__: | okami |
| [22:51:19] | directhex: | oh god yes |
| [22:51:28] | directhex: | okami is everything zelda no longer is |
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| [22:52:39] | iamlindoro__: | apparently the KOTOR 2 restoration guys are releasing their 1.0b1 milestone this weekend |
| [22:52:47] | iamlindoro__: | so maybe we'll see that in the next few months |
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| [22:53:56] | iamlindoro__: | Plus I think Okami-Wii is on the way |
| [22:54:02] | directhex: | i don't want to re-buy it |
| [22:54:16] | directhex: | i didn't re-buy re4, even though it's awesome |
| [22:54:27] | directhex: | i think the problem is the £40 price tag on all wii games in .uk |
| [22:54:39] | iamlindoro__: | nothin I'm really waiting for coming right now |
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| [22:55:01] | iamlindoro__: | I may play GTA IV but it's not really my thing |
| [22:55:18] | iamlindoro__: | And all the new jRPGs coming are a year off by my estimate |
| [22:55:21] | clever: | 07 18:45:43 < Jeweler> http://pasthis.com/y68035c |
| [22:55:23] | directhex: | oh, i enjoyed the gta series enormously |
| [22:55:35] | Deek: | directhex: wait, isn't that like $100? |
| [22:56:02] | directhex: | Deek, $80 |
| [22:57:36] | directhex: | the only games i've re-bought on more than one platform are: resident evil code veronica (as all the cube ports were £5 each from play.com), turok 2 (such a terrible game i wanted to make sure i kept a copy for posterity, to help me stay objective when criticizing games), and rez hd (because it was £4 and it's ten thousand shades of awesome) |
| [22:58:36] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, This is the kind of shit they pull on you at the end of Kingdom Hearts games (KH II in this case) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35yH1e0YdEc |
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| [22:58:58] | iamlindoro__: | And then I cry because it takes them four years to put out a sequel |
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| [23:04:19] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, neat, but how does goofy & donald fit into that? O_o |
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| [23:18:07] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: Exactly. And then they manage to explain things in the next game |
| [23:18:25] | iamlindoro_: | With some Final Fantasy/Disney/Other Guys handwavery |
| [23:21:40] | GreyFoxx: | Ugh.... going through the last 2000 commits to update the release notes is gonna be a pain |
| [23:22:35] | GreyFoxx: | ooh that reminds me. gotta test the 360's playback 1 last time tonight |
| [23:22:43] | iamlindoro_: | "This release of MythTV is exactly .01 improved. Enjoy!" |
| [23:22:49] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [23:23:03] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, only !7k code commits :) |
| [23:23:31] | |Torg|: | iamlindoro what settings do you ue to convert to h264? I cant seem to play any video from the ones I made |
| [23:24:25] | iamlindoro_: | |Torg|: Hang on, I'll pastebin my general two-pass, you'll have to plug in the variables as you like |
| [23:24:43] | |Torg|: | thanks |
| [23:24:46] | directhex: | i couldn't get h264 i encoded on linux to play on the xbox/ps3 |
| [23:25:05] | GreyFoxx: | My handbrake encoded h264 stuff play on my 360 |
| [23:25:12] | directhex: | i hate handbrake |
| [23:25:24] | GreyFoxx: | but since the latest handbrake wont run on my mac Im gonna run the windows version in a vm session |
| [23:25:40] | directhex: | i'm using ripbot264 on the wife's windows pc |
| [23:26:43] | iamlindoro_: | |Torg|: http://rafb.net/p/IUiyX591.html |
| [23:27:13] | |Torg|: | ahh ok I was using x264 il try ffmpeg |
| [23:27:31] | iamlindoro_: | |Torg|: The variables should be pretty self-explanatory-- output from that plays in Myth's internal pretty perfectly... that's more or less what I use to archive my HD stuff, and 3.0 Mbit will fit a commercial-cut hourlong show into about 1 GB |
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| [23:28:28] | iamlindoro_: | @ 1280x720 |
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| [23:30:19] | |Torg|: | how long does a 1 hr program take to encode? |
| [23:31:14] | iamlindoro_: | 1080i -> 720p w/ 44 Mins after commercial cutting will take about 2 hours to finish both passes on my Q6600 |
| [23:32:13] | unclemike: | how do i setup mythtv for watching tv..on the setup screen that ask fot local host and so on...saying it cant connect to server |
| [23:32:24] | |Torg|: | I got x264 down to about 20 mins on my Q6600 but the resultnat video is unwatchable |
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| [23:33:12] | iamlindoro_: | You'd have to be at a painfully low bitrate, single pass, or no postprocessing to get it to that... real h.264 encodes take time |
| [23:33:23] | iamlindoro_: | at least ones that look good do |
| [23:33:41] | |Torg|: | like I said it was unwatchable, I didnt tell it to do any extra settings so I was wondering what the trick was |
| [23:33:41] | iamlindoro_: | I employ quite a bit of filtering to make the result look good, since it's for archival |
| [23:34:06] | |Torg|: | what are good audio and video bitrates to use? |
| [23:34:44] | iamlindoro_: | like I said above, 3.0M will give you about a 1.1 GB file per 45-minutes of material... 192000 is what I usually use for Audio Bitrate |
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| [23:42:36] | unclemike: | how do i configure mythtv?? |
| [23:42:57] | directhex: | with a mythtv configurification device. on sale for $9.99 at wal-mart |
| [23:43:11] | iamlindoro_: | Read the documentation would be a good start... |
| [23:45:28] | iamlindoro_: | Welcome to #mythtv-users! Step 1) Ask question. Step 2) Immediately turn of ears and eyes! |
| [23:45:31] | iamlindoro_: | er off |
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| [23:59:13] | |Torg|: | im thinking I need to recompile a newer ffmpeg as this requried some changed in codec names and options to work |
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